A Broken Heart with Sonia Saraiya - Revenge Of The Podcast

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to say this, but it feels like we have lost the will to live.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey everybody, I'm Griffin.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He did this last week.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Look at that spike.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey!

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm foreshadowing.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We want people to drop their cups of coffee on the subway.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Draft-A style.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm foreshadowing what we're going to talk about today.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: On this week's episode of Revenge Of The Podcast, David is cupping his hands.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the robot doctor comes out and he cups his hands.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He's licking his fingers.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I am Griffin.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David Sims.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Griffin.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Dave presents Revenge Of The Podcast, a podcast where we discuss the third and final film

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: in Georgie Porgy Lucas' Star Wars trilogy.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Phantom Man's Saga.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's what we call it.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Revenge Of The Sith.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a very special guest with us here today.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: David, would you like to introduce her because you and I'm not angry about this.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't be.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Have podcasted with her in the past.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but she was the original podcast.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not jealous.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You're the chief.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not jealous.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're the other woman.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not jealous.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: This is Sonya Saraya.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Hi, David.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Who I do a podcast with called Night Cheese.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We should eat cheese actually on this podcast.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We should have got it.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I did just have a chicken parm flatbread from Pax, wholesome Foods.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that really what you want to put on the line right now?

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, that's what they had and that's what I got.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: What did you have?

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a crispy chicken club that had cheese on it as well.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Sonya is the TV critic for salon.com.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and Griffin, you are the other woman.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I actually did cheat on Sonya when you...

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: When you guys first started talking about the podcast on Twitter, I did yell at you

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: both about starting this.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We got you on.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I appreciate it.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, whatever.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a threesome literally right now.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, hey, let's not let Ben Kenebster on and watch.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Ben's in the corner.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course we have with us as always producer Ben, AK, producer Ben, AK, the Ben Deucer,

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: AK, Mr. Positive, AK, The Haas, AK, Hello Fennel, LK, Peeping Tom.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, he's got a nickname.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a new nickname because he's going to watch while we all bone.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm making uncomfortable for saying...

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the joke we were all making.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's true we were.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I just wanted to rip the rug out from under you.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonya, if you're saying that I'm the other woman in this situation, Ben would be...

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing right now?

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Kate Upton.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're doing the film The Other Woman.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You would be Leslie Mann.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be Cameron Diaz.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And David would be Nikolai Kosovaldo.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a really good position for you.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess so.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you seen that movie?

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: He goes through some tough stuff in that movie.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually have not seen that movie though.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_05]: They give him hormones and his nipples get enlarged.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he loses his job at the end of the movie.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's a weird movie The Other Woman.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You shouldn't cheat.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you shouldn't cheat twice.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That's his recipe.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Cheat two times.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, gosh.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's on Mann with Diaz and then on Diaz with Kate Upton.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't Nick Kasavetti direct that movie?

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably true.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Why were we talking about Kasavetti's before?

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He discovered a young Jake Lloyd way back when.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sometimes the apple falls so far from the tree.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in a different galaxy.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Far, far away.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Which brings us to the Star Wars galaxy.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Today, Sonya, we're very excited to have you on the show to discuss

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Padme's role in the film Revenge of the Sith

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: or lack thereof.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to say it's a little fucked up that we always have a female guest

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_05]: for whenever we talk about Padme.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that true?

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's unintentional but because we had Rachel on

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: for the second episode too.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But it was because Rachel is the only person I've ever met

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_05]: who actually was into Anakin in Padme.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Found it romantic.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, Rachel Sanders?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, Rachel Lang.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know who this is.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: She's a friend of ours.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_05]: She was on our TV.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is fascinating.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: She was all in when she was 12 or whatever.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: 13 on Anakin.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Were you all in on Anakin and Padme?

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I was hypothetically all in on both of them.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Speak on that.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What's your experience with the Star Wars with the Phantom Renaissance?

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, of course because these are the only three Star Wars films,

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely did not come into the prequel

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: with any idea of what two characters

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to end up together.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was so weirded out

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: from the get-go by the fact that

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: they had this maternal thing going on.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially in Phantom.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because you're watching it and you're going

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: wait a minute, are those two going to be the two

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: they put together?

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they are and it doesn't really change

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like that sort of weird taking care of thing

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: like it never really have chemistry.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It never really takes off.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And she is always the sort of yeah,

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the sort of like now Anakin.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: She does a lot of you know, what are you talking about?

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and in this film I was noticing

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: because as I was saying before

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched just the Padme and Anakin scenes

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_05]: or and yeah, you give yourself a concentrated dose.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it takes me about 10 minutes

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's not in this movie.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: We should talk about that.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It's unfortunate.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little frustrating to be frank.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The Portman may have just been like,

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: George, I'm busy now.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Like please, let's just you know.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think there's a lot to discuss

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in how little of this film she is in

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: because George has said in behind the scenes

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: material for Phantom Mass that he considered

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: her the lead of that movie.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He considered it as the lead of Phantom.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Her story told from the perspective

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon is how he describes

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the first film.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that okay, I'm sorry

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: showing my stripes here but I really did

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like her portrayal in the first movie.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We like her in the first movie.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin made such a face.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I like her as

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Padme and not as much as Queen I'm a Dollar.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: She's not playing on a dollar that much.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but also right, but also because

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Karen Eytley sub is in for kick first.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little complicated.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: The great Peyton Swift.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_05]: The legendary Khan.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think they did a pretty good job with that.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they look similar.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You just never quite know why it's happened.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden it happens and there's feelings.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that because

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked that she was a politician

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that she had like

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever she had like a coterie

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: of her handmaidens who were also

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: her advisors even though they

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of look like weird nuns.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Her bodyguards?

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And they'd all lost to her in elections.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: We found this out.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: They were the losing candidates.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And also the losing candidates for the role, I believe.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're saying.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't get to be queen so they had to be handmaidens.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like if

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you saying in the mythology

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: they also all were like vice presidents?

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We're saying within the mythology

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: all of them ran against her and then because

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: they lost they had to take the position of

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a handmaiden and real life

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: all of them auditioned.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, it was reflecting reality of course.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she just wanted to work on it.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We're getting way into the Phantom Menace.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Just imagine if Mitt Romney had to be

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Obama's butler if he lost to him.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It would be so great.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Episode one, Padme, super important.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's important and she's

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: a plot driver and she gets a chance

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to like be courageous and be interesting

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and whatever.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's the fucking queen of a planet.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And she successfully defended it.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: At 14.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she becomes a baby crazy lunatic.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well let's

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about episode two for a little bit.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can chart this transition

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the devolution of her character and her agency.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The devolution of the pop-up Amidala.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So episode two, she's a senator.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a playmaker.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Being very happy now with less responsibility.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Well she sort of has less responsibility

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and she sort of has more.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she sort of graduated from like governing

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the planet to like

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of being the representative

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: on the world stage.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: She's sort of like in a secretary of state position.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a cool

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: like first queen thing to do.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: In the Senate.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Like she's the leader of the anti-militarization wing.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And she

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: gets a bodyguard.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is an eight year old boy

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_05]: she met once who asked her if she was an angel.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And still has a major boner for her.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Huge.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It is the most obvious and most unpleasant.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Watches her on security feeds

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: while she sleeps.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He is violently devoid of charisma.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And she cannot help a fallen lover.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It makes no sense.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And he expresses his interest in a dictatorship

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: running

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the galaxy.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And he says that politicians are stupid.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_05]: She's a politician.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But somehow she's trying to fight this.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is their courtship, yeah.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they like roll around in the files.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_05]: He's negging her.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the thing.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: If you watch their relationship they have such an abusive dynamic.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It is terrifying.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a bad boy.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a bad person.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He threatens her like constantly.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And over the course of these three films

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: she's like this independent person

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: who gradually becomes like

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: sequestered into his quarters.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is crucial in the third move.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: She's basically only on one set.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's only in that weird circular living room

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: with all of the cushions.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And every time that they're there

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: she's like slightly more pregnant

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but also it's the least convincing

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: baby bump of all time.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should get into that for a second.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But also every time that they talk

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: he is dour.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They have no joy.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's always saying you have to let me in.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like oh my god.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's textbook.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's textbook abusive relationships.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so most abusive relationships I feel run hot and cold.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there is a hot.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you stay with him?

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He's such an asshole.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know sometimes.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin's never given her anything other than just

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: bummer sass.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And sperm.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: All the time.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like I don't know I just love him so much.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I think here's my only.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she's a busy lady

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: at least up until the third movie.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: She's retired now in the third one.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She's still kind of in the Senate isn't she?

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end she's with Bale Organa

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're in one of their little pods.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Is she not in the Senate?

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought they were just watching it.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: She dies at the end of the movie.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Not the end.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you're right.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that she's saying that the queen will not let her be

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Senate anymore once it's like

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: discovered that whatever

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: they're illicit really.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The queen played by Kisha Castle Hughes.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Academy Award nominee.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Who doesn't actually have a line in this movie?

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_05]: No, she does not.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I think it's also interesting that they don't have sonograms in this universe.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: No one knows that she has twins.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, it's inexplicable because

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not a twist in the movie

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: when she has two babies.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It plays no plot point

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: but for some reason they decide to reveal it then.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: They could have just said like I'm pregnant Annie with twins.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Congrats!

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's so Anakin doesn't know

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so Anakin doesn't know

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: but I mean these are obviously the only three films that he's ever made

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: so it doesn't matter.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand why you keep on restating things

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: our listenership is not stupid.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You can just...

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't like bits on this podcast.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No movies there, okay?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to make this clear.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Irradiate listenership.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They're well educated.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, sidebar!

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry Sonya, to cut you off

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's very important we do some housekeeping every episode.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You want to read some listener review.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very important we do some housekeeping

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: because rating us, reviewing us

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: subscribing to our cousin podcast

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: on the USB comedy network.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We have 42 reviews now.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you want to pump us up to 50?

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, 42 Jackie Robinson maybe that's the right number.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we go one above.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Noted baseball fan Griffin Newman.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: No one mentioned Hitchhikers.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Hitchhikers?

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course 42!

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a life in the universe and everything.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So everyone please keep rating but don't review anymore

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: because we found the perfect number of reviews.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: No, don't say that.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No, please review.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't listen to them.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't review us.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to...

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So I just want to say some things.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Read out some reviews.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got a review from Ramona Castel.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you read this one?

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is our friend Ramona.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Perhaps, there's a heart is the title.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Hi Griffin and David, I love you both

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: even though every episode of This Belize It

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: you're both perfect gentlemen five stars.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Now how about this one from Conrado Falco?

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you read this one?

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking at this one right now.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Why do you read that aloud?

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Mozart.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Tolstoy.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Picasso.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Griffin and David.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: P.S. producer Ben is also a genius.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the full review.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the full review.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: All right, and here from Monkey Shines

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello Fennel, he says.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Though I am dismayed and a furious

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: at the fact that there's no new episode this week

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that was last week or two weeks ago

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: when is this episode coming out?

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: We were referring to it once.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I've decided to give this a five star rating

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: because only David and Griffin could piss me off

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: this much that Ben Dooser is just charming

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and never rankles me.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go, Ben.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I got one more.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the last one.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Five star review.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The subject heading is delightful.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Love the podcast but if I have it my way

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you will never work and show business again, Griffin.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And that review is from Colin Trevorrow.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You're an asshole, Colin.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: What if it was from Colin Trevorrow?

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Who knows?

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's his iTunes account.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Was so obsessed with himself

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: that he even heard our podcast dissing him.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't like Colin Trevorrow.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, director of Jurassic World.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a bummer and you should be kicked in the penis.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he say some dumb shit about women?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He did.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I know.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: He gave one of those answers where it's like

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: look, of course I think more women

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: should direct movies but they don't want to

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's not enough women

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and we're women anyway.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He said like eight things that suck.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He said listen, sweetie, the thing you don't understand is that

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: we are going to get sued!

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Women don't want to do big-budget movies.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what they're interested in.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I have no interest in doing big-budget movies myself.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no one does.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Just why I'm here talking about Star Wars.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason it's a white man's game

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because only white men like them.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Only white men like being successful.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why throughout history only white men have succeeded.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because they're the only ones that want to.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what else we want.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like failing. It's weird.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's true.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Listenership, please rate, review, subscribe

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and kick Colin Trevor in his wiener.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's now end of housekeeping segment.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yup.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie Portman.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Natalie Portman in this movie.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Ice Cube said, so here's Padme's

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: arc in this movie, right?

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got the opening battle scene.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And let's remember, I'm sorry, in the first two movies

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_05]: she has a gun, she's in all the action scenes

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_05]: She gets in it!

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: In the second movie she's in a gladiator pitch.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_05]: She fights the praying mantis and a cat

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: She gets the good midriff tearing thing

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: A scar only on her back

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And then at the end, before the climactic sequence

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_05]: she falls out of a spaceship or whatever

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: She at least gets to have a little bit

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_05]: They come back from the war

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's like, Annie I'm pregnant

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and his reaction is kinda like

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, great!

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I love you so much.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And then she's in her apartment

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: for a bunch of scenes.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it an apartment?

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's like a penthouse

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's carousel

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't think there's anything but apartments

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think anyone has a townhouse, right?

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a god damn nice whatever it is

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very nice

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It has this huge balcony

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got like a helipad for a balcony

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows what's under it?

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like slaves

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Well that's how carousel works

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like the surface level

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a thousand basements

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Mid-level, so so

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Would you say it's downtown or uptown?

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what do you think?

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's uptown

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing we don't...

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The whole planet is uptown

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Uptown in relation to how close to the sky it is

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh right, obviously

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing we need to acknowledge though

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: is, yes it's a really nice apartment

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: How she afford it

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a studio, we only ever see the one room

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: No no no, we see the bedroom too, Griffith

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right because he has the Padme dream

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he has the Padme dream

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Also I have so many issues with that scene

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck does she wear in a bed in that scene?

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: She has this like beaded nightgown

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a padme dala

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No human would wear beaded

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen how she dresses in these kind of movies?

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: She dresses like a... yeah, anywhere

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little late to start this argument

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She's wearing them out

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And he gets to be shirtless in bed

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and she has to wear some beaded concoction

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, she has that thing to brush her hair

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: No difference is occurring on her hair

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would that happen?

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Her hair is impeccably styled already

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No it's not, it's like frizzy in like 90s

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_05]: In the 90s, currently

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like something, like the whole thing around her

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Her costuming is messed up

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Her character is messed up

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they didn't...

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: They forgot how to have thoughts about her

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like they just...

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: She's a real character in two movies

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And then in this movie, yeah, it's more just like

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_05]: She's just a plot device to drive Anakin crazy

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and as soon as she gets pregnant

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She has to like be confocked

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she has to be like...

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she has no character, she can't do anything anymore

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's... ugh

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You also think, I mean, A, we've talked about in the past

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: On this show

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He is a well-known

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And beloved political figure

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: A former queen, then senator

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Suddenly becoming pregnant

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: With no identified father

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She's in an interesting situation

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That she is a woman who is having to keep her love secret

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like, I don't know, maybe you could do scenes addressing that

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's an interesting plot thread to follow

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: About how she navigates this world

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And would she have to keep her love a secret

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it would be so cool

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She appears to be having children out of wedlock

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But she never leaves her house

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no discussion of like what...

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so marriage is like forbidden for Jedi

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But like there's no discussion of marriage for like the rest of this universe

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what role it plays

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like how...

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what it looks like

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the only married couple we know in the whole series

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean Lars

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then Lars

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Orin and Beru

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And Schme and Lars

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're common folk

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They're salt to the earth

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They have no interest in directing big budget blockbusters

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Baylor Ganna has a wife

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he not Jimmy Smits?

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He says he has one

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't see her

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't... this makes no sense

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's not jump ahead

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Jimmy Smits

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So the whole movie

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: All conflict in this film

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: David, we don't like bits

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Smith

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Go on, please

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The whole movie

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The whole conflict in this movie derives from Anakin's love for Padme being so profound that he will do anything

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: To save her

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Including kill her

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, we'll get to that

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And we already talked about that a little cause that is bonkers

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Bananas

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Fig pile of bananas

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You feel like

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that we already had a previous film

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Attack of the Clones

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That gave a scene after scene of exquisitely written romantic courtship

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I believe

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether you're making a sequel or an original film

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot presume that the audience has empathy for your characters

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to set the pieces back on the board at the beginning of the new film

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Remind everyone why they like those characters

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Reestablish relationships

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to explain everything

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But just emotionally

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Get us back into the world

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This film as you said

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Gives us no scene where they seem to like each other

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that is true

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: His reaction to her pregnancy

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That just defines their whole relationship

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's purely obsessive

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And like burdened

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Brooding

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause bits aside

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It is not well executed

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Attack of the Clones but they devote a lot of screen time to showing the two of them fall in love and wrestle with it

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And wrestle with each other

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's two actors trying to show people being in love with each other

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And this movie they didn't even fucking bother

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's interesting cause you said the maternal thing

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And like there is this thing

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Like he loses his mother right?

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And like this woman is like obviously filling that void

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and just in case you didn't get it

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He brings it up 14 times in this movie too

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like I can't lose you

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Right in this movie cause I need you

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I need to save her

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway and yeah

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's all justification for him to turn to the dark side

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's poor justification

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's shitty justification

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He has one bad dream

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: If anything the arc is sort of

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean if anything what the movie underscores to me

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that he was going to anyway

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like and this like cause he had a pretty warped world view

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And she just happened to fit into it

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And like the real thing that's maddening

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it's less him cause he just sucks right from the start

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's her

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we never get a sense

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Through her eyes of what she sees in this person

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What really motivates her

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause she says at the end

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: As she's dying on that slab

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like there's good in him

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like really holding onto that

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: There's final words like Obi-Wan

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I promise you they're still good in him

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She has no agency in this film

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Well no she does name them

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's true

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Where the fuck did those names come from?

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah right

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_05]: She has two names loaded

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She's dying on a slab

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like hallucinating

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Luke, Leia, he's still good

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm dead

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That birth scene is biologically impossible

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright so as you said

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Natalie Portman

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_05]: She's a petite woman

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: She's always been thin

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But she's at her thinness in this

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god yeah

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say she kinda bounced back a little bit

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: After this

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Movies like Your Highness

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Well Black Swan is pretty skinny too

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But she's muscular

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like she's gotten a little more normal looking again

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But this was really

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_05]: She's so painfully skinny in this

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And it sucks because she's supposed to be pregnant

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: With twins

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Right of all things

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: She's running around in some scenes

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like that is not a pregnant

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And even her face looks like Ron

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Now I forget where Natalie Portman is

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In life in this moment

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Has she graduated from Harvard yet?

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she just had

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So she's kind of re-entering the world

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Of movies

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: She kinda kept it pretty chill during her Star Wars period

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Went to school

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_05]: She didn't do a lot of movies

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She had the back to back anywhere but here

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And where the heart is

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right after Phantom Menace

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I love where the heart is

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I always get those two movies confused

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's fucked me up in trivia like three times

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Where the heart is is the one with Ashley Judd

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Anywhere but here is the one

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Written by Steve Jobs's

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Biological sister

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_05]: About their biological mother

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Dumb joke doesn't even track

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't even track

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you know that Steve Jobs

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You know Steve Jobs was adopted

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But his biological mother had another

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Daughter with the same person

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's Steve Jobs' whole sister

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And she was a real wackadoo

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And then that daughter grew up to be Mona Simpson

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And she wrote a book called Anywhere But Here

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: About her relationship with her mother

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Got turned into a movie

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so weird

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So Susan Sarandon is playing Steve Jobs'

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Biological mother in Anywhere But Here

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm looking at this

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_05]: She was in Star Wars

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: She has the brief seat in Cold Mountain

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That we discussed it's so wonderful

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Closer in Garden State

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So she just had her out of Harvard

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Her closer garden state

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_05]: She gets nominated for an Oscar that year

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I would bet

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And this year she's in V for Vendetta

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And Revenge of the Sith

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: She's in Free Zone

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen that

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: All our research has shown us

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That the Phantom Mask movies were usually filmed

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Two years before they came out

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So she probably went on from this

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: To make Garden State

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Revenge of the Sith was shot in 2003

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she comes back with

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Closer with Garden State

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: With Free Zone which all come out

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right before in the in-between period

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she was in her career apex

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. McGorriam's Wonder Emporium

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: God she's so good in that

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No, she's not

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She's really good in that

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: She's really winning in that

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_05]: No, she's not

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She's really good in Hotel Chocolier

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: In the short movie about Darjeeling Lemonis

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I'm just looking at that

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the other Berlin girl

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: She took a while to kind of settle

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and then Black Swan

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: She blind and or with a blind person

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: In what?

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: In Parisia Thim

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: She's with a blind person

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She falls in love with a blind person

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then New Yorkshire Thim

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: New Yorkshire Thim

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: New York I Love You, she plays an Israeli woman with a shaved head

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen New York I Love You

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really bad

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay did you like Parisia Thim?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I like maybe

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: A couple good ones

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say 40% of Parisia Thim is good

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And like 10% of New York I Love You is good

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're just saying she's painful skinny in this movie

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That was our original plan

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And it looks like she's pregnant with half a baby

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Not two babies

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: The baby bum looks really bad on her

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And then when she's delivering the baby

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like this hood over her midsection

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: She's not pushing

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But they say it's an operation

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's some sort of doctor that has like

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a droid doctor

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a droid doctor that has this sort of scoopy tools

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: These paddle-picked appendages

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a poor thing

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It basically has like a four step hand

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god it's so horrifying

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And we don't see the baby's birth

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_05]: We kind of just see babies

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: They just pop out of this hood

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She screams a bunch

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But she's not pushing

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It turns out that's what the dream was

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's sort of supposed to bounce back to the dream

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: She thought she was dying but she was actually just giving birth

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: No she was dying

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but this is like a whole

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a chicken egg thing

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a gnarly fucking thing

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the dream he has

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Looks like just someone in delivery

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she says

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm pregnant

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Why doesn't he think like

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh maybe I'm dreaming about her in labor

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Not like go to Darth Sidious and be like

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: My wife's gonna die

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the point

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So Baylor Ganna and Obi-Wan take her away

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: After she's been choked

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're going a little out of order here

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We have talked about the choking before

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And how, yeah, and it can spend the whole movie trying to rescue Padme from this death

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And then seize her on a ship with Obi-Wan

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And he just jokes her out

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it is like the most classic

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Abuser mentality

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It makes perfect sense from that perspective

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about it

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the culmination of

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's literally exactly what that is

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He was willing to do anything to save her

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But then once he found out that she told someone else

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He was willing to kill her

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Out of anger for

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But then he just blames Obi-Wan immediately

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and he doesn't

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: As long as he's on her side

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She's on his side

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He has a messed up

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: He visits her and he'll just be like

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Jedi's seem really bad

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to give you a heads up

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Jedi being really dumb lately

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So you work for the Senate right?

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess so

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess you hate the Jedi's like I do

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I'm gonna see you later

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that later

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yo Padme has a upset

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I might suck too

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Why does he care so much about

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that confused me

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: When he rolls up

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: They're talking about politics

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, yeah maybe

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Things aren't really as

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're not fighting for the right people

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, how could you fucking say that bitch?

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why?

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He turns right on, well he's very

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're not with me you're against me

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He walks a

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no end game with Anakin

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We should say

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though we don't touch on this enough

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: He is being brainwashed by like

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_05]: The most evil wizard of the last

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Thousand years

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's also his magical father

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Who made him out of air

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, I guess that's part of the problem here

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_05]: You do have like

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: This comically

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Evil man

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Manipulating him

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: We keep saying like, Anakin's such a jerk

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like there is a guy who's like

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, you know

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The argument against that

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the first scene where she tells him that

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She's pregnant which before he started

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Really talking about Palpatine

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's still a fucking bummer

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He sucks

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, pancake

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, pancake

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's his pet name for her, pancake

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Pancake amadala

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Pancake amadala is the best news I've ever heard

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so happy

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know what

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_05]: What are you looking at right now, Ben?

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Pancake amadala

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There is

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This trope

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well known

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially in like

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Genre works

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And in comic books that's a fridgeing women

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, girl in the refrigerator

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think the original

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Green Lantern

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Kyle Reiner's girlfriend

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Just got stuffed, killed and stuffed into her

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and he sees her dead

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, the 90s people

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: People got killed, it was interesting and dramatic

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a movie?

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: In the comic books

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a reflection of this crappy trend in genre stories

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But it became like the big character motivator

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: For the next year or two

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything was about avenging the death of the girlfriend

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And the trope is setting up a female character

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Only to have her die

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Or be kidnapped or something

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: To motivate the male character to do something

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: To put her through horrible, horrible circumstances

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: At the male character

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the writer's like

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's Shakespearean

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They always have like, what do you mean?

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's classic

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And to be on the damsel in distress

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, someone who is not in distress at the beginning

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Suffering something

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So that the male character can

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Become more heroic ultimately or whatever

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the crucial thing is

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like for the male character

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The real problem with Amidala

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that she has no interiority

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: She has no perspective in this entire thing

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_05]: She has baby center

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Sonia, correction

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: But in the first movie she does

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what's so annoying

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: In the first movie she does

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd say she does still in the second

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Not a little less maybe

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the reasons is because the first movie passes the Bec Delpest

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to talk about it?

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, let's talk about it

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_05]: The first movie definitely passes the Bec Delpest

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It is interesting because it's a lot of

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, sort of Padme talking to herself

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: In a weird sort of way

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is like her closest advisor

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Or whatever

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: God, I sound like the worst parody of a feminist today

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh we're gonna get gamer gated

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Also I'm gay

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to remind you that this is the worst parody of a podcast

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can't

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: This is

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have enough space to fall

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean I really was brought in as like

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: The feminist critic of

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Padme Amidala today or whatever

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But like I do think these things are interesting

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But also I

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not as simple as I think

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's laziness

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: George Lucas is a lazy writer

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: More than anything else

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And so these kind of lazy things happen

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And even these like what I think of

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Is even just like the lowest bar

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Or the first bar of like critique

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Like social justice feminist critique

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They apply, they start to apply

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is such a lazy narrative

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Like in so many ways

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so insulting honestly

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: To not just the female viewers

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: To all of the viewers

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: This whole notion of like an origin story

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why people get mad I think

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Because yeah it's like

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a weak justification for a lot of things

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I also think this is like

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The only instance I have ever seen of pre-fridging

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Where like most movies it is

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: A male character discovers

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: A horrible thing that has

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Befallen a female character

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then reacts to that

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a male character anticipates

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Something terrible is going to happen

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in the process causes that terrible thing to happen

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Well it's very mythological actually

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very Greek

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like yes

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Someone's always giving some sort of horrible prophecy

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And then

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Anapis is trying to get around the prophecy

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And oh boy does he fuck up

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But you can never thwart a prophecy

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Just learn that heroes

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you just can't

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That is true

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It just is annoying

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I'm not talking about going in circles

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't add anything to that

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask a second like a somewhat secondary question

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you guys feel about the introduction of

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Baelorganna into this story

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And like where it ends up with

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Like him taking the girls

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: He's in attack of the clones

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But he is more integrated into the

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Although I think we were hoping he'd be even

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: He still kind of is just sort of like

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello I'm Baelorganna

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He's completely random

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to talk about something

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's rescue the one of the characters

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That seems to be his entire purpose

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I also argue that some of the stuff

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That he does in this film

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Feels like the stuff that Padme

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Would have been doing in the movie

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: If that makes any sense

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The role he occupies as

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a senator

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: As like a lone voice of reason

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In a crumbling democracy

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand the idea is sort of to give her

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like an ally

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But he ends up doing all the active things

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That she doesn't

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Even just like going back to the Jedi Council

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to save them all that sort of stuff

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to say something about Baelorganna

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate bit

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to say Jimmy Smiths?

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_05]: No I love Jimmy Smiths

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate bits love spits

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Pro bits anti-spits

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_05]: No fucking I flipped it

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no now we're pro bits

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Anti-bits first mints

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So this movie has a lot of CGI

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Has a lot of crappy set design as a result

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's got pillars

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I've mentioned it so many times on this podcast

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: When the pregnancy is announced

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_05]: They're in this room that's just infinite pillars

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just a copy paste of pillars

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: There's some things where you're like

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Come on guys

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Jimmy Smiths drives a ship

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_05]: The Organa people have this ship

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_05]: The Organa mobile

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Smiths ship

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We're pro Schmidt Smith

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Goddamn it

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It is the greatest set they have had

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: The ship itself

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's got this crazy white interior

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It's really minimal and simple

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what I'm talking about?

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You only see it for like one minute

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: At the end of the movie

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's called

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But which one

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Smiths ship

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Smith

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's Organa

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a huge ship

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's in

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Baelorganna spaceship interior

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what's being Googled right now

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys not know what I'm talking about?

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I do know what you're talking about

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna try to find the scene where it happens

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Heroes regroup

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: What are we watching it now?

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's this thing

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The ship on the outside

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like a wiener on the outside

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's long and it's covered in top

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got wings

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got ball wings

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It has a bunch of circular engines

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We see inside this thing

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Are we gonna see inside it now?

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it this thing?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_05]: No, watch

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's this?

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think so

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That ship has a nice interior too

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Look at this interior

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a real set

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_05]: This is really good

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great scene

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It feels like a definable place

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Right

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And it has the right aesthetic

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the stuff on Coruscant doesn't feel right

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: There's one other time the movie does this

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate bits

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It's at the end when Vader and Palpatine

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: and some other guy are hanging out

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: on an Imperial cruiser

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're looking out at the stars

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_05]: at this thing being built

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That is also a great set

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: with his corridor that he walks down

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's all these people working

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_05]: in the pit below him

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The Empire is brushing away

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: all the gold and lavish of the old era

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05]: You're talking about the Killer Star

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the Killer Star, Death Planet

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I also hate bits

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't even need repeating

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing I...

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate both of you

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing I think

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because I'm looking at this design

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No one can see what we're talking about

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a practical set

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a white hallway

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some stuff on the walls

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But it looks like the real inside of a military vehicle

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: of a submarine or something

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a basis in reality

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just business

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just ornate design for design sake

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is, it's practical

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's clean

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what this kind of reminds me of?

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In a very primal way

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hate bits

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna restate this

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: People are saying

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This is getting so dry now

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's because we hate bits

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that we're gonna talk very dry about all this

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The Darth Vader design

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, there's a classicism

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: To that

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to the Killer Star

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to the interior of the ship

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They all look fucking...

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They're intelligently elegantly designed

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They're tactile, they're great

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Love it anyway

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We were talking about Baylor

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate both of you so much

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonia, thank you so much for being on this show

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: We love you Sonia and we love bits

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean we hate bits

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But we do love Jimmy Smith's

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Pro-Smiths anti-bits

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: How do you feel about Jimmy Smith's?

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I...

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He's very handsome

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this a lot

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like he's cast almost as just like

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's the most stable man in the galaxy

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_05]: basically, right?

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's a real straight out

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Be honest

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a Pro-Smiths podcast but we'll take any opinions

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish that

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: What I really wish had happened is that

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: What I really wish had happened is that

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: instead of Leia being

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: randomly adopted by

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Baylor Ghana

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that there maybe was some actual relationship

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that developed between

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Padme and Baylor Ghana

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of unspoken like we're just supposed to assume

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_05]: like oh these two are Senate allies

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I sort of... I had always imagined

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that it would end that way

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's how I wanted this movie

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Sort of going off this

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Why doesn't Padme survive?

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It would be kind of cool for Padme to pull out of that

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: After being choked out by Anakin

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the same thing after having the babies

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and be like I still think there's good in him

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: but we've lost him

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and we have to start organizing against him

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Even if she has to send her kids away

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to protect them

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she could give the kids a way to protect them

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But still it'd be alive

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It just sucks that she has such a pathetic end

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: after these three movies

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It also is weird that Luke gets sent to where he does

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about it a little bit in the last week

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So we can talk about it again

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Does it feel like the safest place?

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you have any human attachment Anakin?

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Really just tattooing where I'm from

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and that's it

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_05]: The one place

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The only connection

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lot

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He's never gonna fucking look for Balorcaana

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little frustrating

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get it dovetails with just

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you know

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: when these movies were coming out

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you're a fan

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you're interested and they announce all the kids

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So they announce who's gonna be in it

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have all the elements in your head

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's sort of like

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot like when we would talk about

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: the Game of Thrones season

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: like we were talking about the Game of Thrones season finale

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like you know who's in it

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and you construct this finale

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: in your head

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with all of those parts

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that is so much better than what they come up with

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: because you're like, oh well they could do this

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and she does this

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The problem would pay off

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean it's what

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but the thing is

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_00]: this is no one's vision

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like literally not even

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: No it's not, not even George Lucas showed up to this movie

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_00]: is what I'm trying to say

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We've been saying that

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that this movie he does seem to be like

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Well we just kind of have to make sure everyone

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: is fits here

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah he wants everyone in a certain spot at the end

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah he makes a lot of very lazy story decisions

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was kind of a weekend warrior on this one

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: was fighting some of the Balors and outsourcing them to others

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So what did you guys think of the parallel

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: with Padme going to the hospital ship

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and Anakin going to become Vader

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: because that is like nicely sort of parallel

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: in a way that I wasn't really expecting from this

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah I forgot about that

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And she goes to die

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and create life

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and he goes to become a horrible cyborg

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: To live but

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And yell no

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Nooo

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of sidebar for this for a second

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we talked about the no in the past

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but I didn't really realize the moment is

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: he's given the bad news right

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: then he breaks free of the chains

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He forces the room

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He takes five steps forward

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and then says no

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So for someone to say no in that kind of environment

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you think it would just be a primal reaction

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Your wife is dead

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No!

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: She tells him your wife is dead

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he goes like

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Breaks the chains

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: steps forward a little bit

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Gets in a position, shakes his arms out

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: gets limber

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: People always rag on the no moment

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's because it feels so forced and artificial

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's not just like

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like grafted into the moment

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: People do embarrassing emotional things

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah sure

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But it has to play in a certain rhythm where it really does feel like this is

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I would love to see George Lucas talk about that

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to see him admit some fault

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and maybe say like

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you know

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Like that scene maybe could have played a little bit

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like now that I watch it, maybe the no seems a little weird

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It would be great if we could talk to George Lucas

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey George, you want to be on the show?

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Email us at DavidLSimms

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start us out

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Griffin and DavidPresent at gmail.com

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: George Lucas, if you're interested we've been ragging on you a lot

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to come on and defend yourself

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We would happily have you on an episode

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Just keep that out there

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: If he is on the show can you please ask him if his nickname has ever been

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Georgey Porch

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the actual

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the actual death

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah you really want to talk about it

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a big thing

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's shitty

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It is shitty

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So when Anakin reveals to her

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: All her suspicions are correct

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he's been murdering children

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He's working for the dark side

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He exterminated a bunch of Jedi

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And she

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_00]: She manifests the first rejection of

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the first like

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait I'm a person that isn't in love with

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that isn't totally just this person's

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: She gets a little disillusioned

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I appreciate your apology because I was really connected emotionally to that performance

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to take me another second to get back into it

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You made a good point Sonya and I'm glad you did

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The train was running

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She goes

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_05]: She has a line I think that you're trying to get to

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Breaking my heart Anakin

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's this very very earnest

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually kind of like the way she delivers it

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She's pretty good actress

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I think given that line on the page

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: She's bad in the movie but she's pretty good

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think given that line on the page

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Having to deliver that line

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she makes a kind of interesting choice

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is to really deliver it as like

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: A girl

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Caught up in a romantic fantasy that's now crumbling around her

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She had this very simple idea of like

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wanting to be together and be happy with him

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's now reduced to like

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Breaking my heart is like this very child like

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Notion of like literally a heart being broken

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And tween or whatever

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She says that

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He chokes her

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan says stop

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right? She's lying there perfectly

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She's in a perfect line

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like literally when they cut to her on the ground

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Her arms are still held out as if she was bracing the fall

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan takes her back on the ship

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Brings her to Bailar Ghani's place

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He has the droid with the clasp hands

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait does Obi-Wan take her back on the ship?

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say C-3PO and R2 do

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Is this a crazy thing?

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No Obi-Wan is on the ship with them definitely

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But it might be C-3PO and R2 do physically take her

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right because she's there

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan checks her pulse or something

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Then they go fight

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they come back and they're both of the droids

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like oh my god something's happened

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta do a thing

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like okay

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes inside the ship

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah because I think they get her to a hospital ship

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like their ship is a hospital ship

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they have to fly her too

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where Yoda and Bailar Ghani are

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I think that's on Bailar Ghani's planet

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's fantastic ship

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: To get to his planet where the hospital is

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's hard to track this movie

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's on a planet? No it's on a ship bro

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This honestly doesn't matter

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Genuinely impossible to follow

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But somehow she gets to a hospital

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Far away from Anakin

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: In answer to your question Sonya

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I do like paralleling those two actions against each other

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish for someone like George

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Who talks so much about trying to create like

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Visual repetition

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Circular imagery

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Throughout the films

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They're constructed in very different ways

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They're cutting back and forth between the two

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he could have like from a

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Nerdy filmmaking perspective

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Really created like visual contrast

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And similarities between the two things

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas now it's just two actions being presented

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Shot in very different ways

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Delivery room

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The robot comes out

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: She hasn't given birth to one

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Even one of the babies yet right?

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And the robot comes out with his little clasped hands

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got kind of like sad face

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He looks a little bit like Wally

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah he has these droopy Wally eyes

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It would be funny though if he was a doctor

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And he had to like load like a frowny face emoji

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You know like

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But then if he had good news he would load like a half of you

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say do you think they have a bad news robot and a good news robot?

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they might

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They have like a patch Adams robot

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The other one waves his arms around

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And he has big goofy eyes

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And this one has sad eyes and he clasps his hands

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But he goes

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fascinating

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Medically

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: She's in perfect condition

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm paraphrasing her but this isn't really what he is

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there's nothing we can, this is really wrong with her

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's weird medically she's in perfect condition

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But yet she seems to be

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We seem to be losing her

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost as if she has lost the will to live

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: She delivers two babies

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a very taxing physical act

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Not easy

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh well

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems easy so maybe there's some technology

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they use like the scoop arms and a vacuum

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Scoop, scooper just

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what's happening under that hood

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: My point is within the world that we know

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right perhaps not Georgie Porgy's fan of menace world

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But within the world we know

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It is very difficult to have a baby

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: To physically deliver a baby

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a memorable day when it happens

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's usually you're like this was quite a day

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Good or bad you remember it

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Two in a row

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Two in a row

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty big

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: In olden times and let's not forget that

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a galaxy far away a long time ago

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a period piece

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In olden times many women would not survive childbirth

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And they would not go I guess she has lost the will to live

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They'd go hey guess what delivering babies is really tough

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're even slightly hobbled

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: When you start doing it

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It might kill you

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Why doesn't the doctor say like yeah

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know apparently it seems like

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_05]: She has just been choked and assaulted by

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: An extremely powerful Jedi

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Did that happen recently

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That would help explain all of this

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Did she?

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they're making dying of a broken heart

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: She died of a broken heart

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But your point is like from a story perspective

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She is in a weakened physical state

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Did not know she had two babies within her

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's to deliver both at the same time

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That might kill someone in her position

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially someone as slight as she is to begin with

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: She's under nourish

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly she'd never been to a gynecologist

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: No

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know she had two babies inside her the whole time

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it's because it was a secret pregnancy

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That must be why

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Although she could have just bought this doctor

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Right he's a robot

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Just go to like Sears and get a doctor robot

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a really good point

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually was wondering if they were like going to insist on like a life form

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like inspecting her at some point

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a human doctor even

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: She is a human

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she would need

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you saying it's sort of like how at the TSA checkpoint

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You could be like I want to be patted down by someone

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_05]: She's like excuse me

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_05]: A human should deliver these human babies

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I think it's because droids don't know

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What living

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like how can it like it's so odd

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That a droid is

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little offensive

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: If I can chime in here

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Also if you want to just

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying no droid can be a human doctor ever

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No wait a second

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait a second no patriarchy much

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonia Jesus Christ

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_05]: We can't get into the droids

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they don't make sense

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually really complicated

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The droids is not explained droids

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: There actually is like an extended universe arc

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's about like whether or not the droids are oppressed

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is kind of interesting

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe should have included in one of these three movies

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_05]: These movies have a million droid robots

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_05]: They get chapped into pieces

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_00]: All the time

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta tap out there David

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Do they have Sennian?

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Are they scared the moment before they're cleft in twain

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Padmai's time

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she's lost the world to her

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Diagnosis

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And she dies she just expires

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_00]: We can create our own

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It is the most boring death scene

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It is the most garbage boring death scene

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She literally just stops you a lot

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: There isn't even

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: She's been unplugged

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_00]: There isn't even a reference to the grueling physical act

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That she has gone through

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Or even the fact that she was choked

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Or forced choked like half to death

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Or whatever

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_00]: She's just like oh now I'm sad

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But when they cut to her

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right after the doctor's like

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just lost the world to live

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They cut to her delivering the babies

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: She seems in pain because

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: She's yelling

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She does not appear to be dying

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, she makes it through the delivery

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of okay

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then immediately afterwards dies

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And it sucks because she has two babies

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: She couldn't see those babies and be like oh new will to live

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Look I have children

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: There is no concept also of the actual process

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Of birth

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like I should make that clear

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Just want to reiterate

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It makes literally no sense whatsoever

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And also

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: She uses her final words to like

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: As you said offered sort of

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And abused partner's defense

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't understand he's not like that with me

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Except he is that one time

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Also they're operating on her

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Guys I have a lot of stuff

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, like a lot of things in this movie

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And in this series

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little half-assed

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He has the general idea down

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Anakin betrays her

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: She has the babies and dies in childbirth

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But he doesn't go into any detail

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is a problem he has all the time

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the Jedi's get wiped out by the clone troopers

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Programmed a thing in their brain

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: They wipe him out, like you know, and like let's have

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_05]: A few shots of Jedi's getting killed

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you get the picture

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no you know it's all like hey I'm tying it up

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_05]: See I tied it up great moving next on

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now here's the thing

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I keep on picking up on every time

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I rewatch it

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm crazy

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You're crazy Griffin

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm crazy in general

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially for rewatching this movie

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That many times

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: With regards to this one thread

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That I might be imagining

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A thread

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: When Anakin first gets

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The first premonition dream

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Of Padme dying

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The shots he sees are Padme screaming in agony

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Obi-Wan being like it's okay

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay you're gonna make it

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember seeing this movie for the first time being like

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh is he putting together

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's something weird about the fact that

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan is there consoling her when she's dying

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there like a jealousy element?

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the scene where Obi-Wan goes

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: To see Padme

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: To warn her of what's going on

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And they decide to both

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Hitch over to Mustafar

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And try to like figure out what's going on

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel like

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The first time I rewatched it

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was a weird kind of

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Romantic tension between the two

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like there was some sort of chemistry

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Upon rewatching it again this morning

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I now think that perhaps

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It is just seeing

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Two good actors play on each other

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and actual care and affection

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's not necessarily romantic

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Being expressed by these actors as you say

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That all the Anakin Padme scenes have been

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So devoid of any sort of passion

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: In this film

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that also

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know Gregg is a good actor

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie Portman is a good actor

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Hayden Christensen is not good

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the scenes that both of them have

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: In this film are either playing off of

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Computer robots

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Or Hayden Christensen

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And so this one scene that

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Two of them are in together

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like a great scene of acting

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're like, oh one character saying something

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And the other person is reacting to it

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Emotionally making choices

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_05]: On this point though another thing

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_05]: These are also the two rational characters

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: In this movie cycle

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And they rarely interact

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And they are the two level headed ones

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_05]: When everything is going to shit they're like

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god this is crazy

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's not like where's Yoda

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yoda why didn't you do anything

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You know these two are

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: The two pretty smart guys

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Who are not too emotional about shit

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Like they're normal

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about Amidala as one of them

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Padme and Obi-Wan

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it's a great scene

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But every time I get to it in the rewatch

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel relaxed and I'm like

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This just has a nice vibe to it

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good scene

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of want to ship the two of them

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Only because I'm like these two deserve each other

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan seems really lonely

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: People used to think this was going to be a thing

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember with Attack of the Clones

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_05]: They were like how is this going to resolve

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Is Obi-Wan going to get in the middle of this

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it never really pays off

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is sort of what I was saying about Bale Organa

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The other ship

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a ship?

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Well it's a ship in the sense that they're

[00:55:53] They're...

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Leia's adopted parents or something like that

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Yes, he's got a great ship

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it's you know

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you expect that

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: We're good

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I got a good piece of

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonya spit right on my forehead

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We're good

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Far worse things have happened on this podcast

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You sort of expect that

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Padme's affections will shift

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You sort of expect that she will fall in love

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_00]: With someone else or like that

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Some other affection will

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And even if that were to happen as you say

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Post the movie, like if she survives

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like moves on or something

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But instead she like has to die

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: With that relationship

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think he could have done something

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Where

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we keep on saying

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the moment where Anakin just fucking turns

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Start choking her out makes so little sense

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very frustrating

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: For everything that's been built up

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He has the dream where he sees

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan by her side while she dies

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Griffin we've done this so many times now

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he doesn't see the conversation

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She gets off the ship, she's trying to like

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, reason with him

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Obi-Wan walks off

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you think the smart thing was like

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: His anger is, you told Obi-Wan about this

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you trusted me

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there would be more reason

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: For her to get angry and lash out at her

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If he thought suddenly like

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, why are the two of you together?

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I had the two of you together in my dream

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or the two of you sleeping behind my back

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_05]: You're just saying they should have maybe

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But you also are just mad at the way that scene plays out

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Just because it's so inexplicable

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So angry, but it kind of would make more sense

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Also for Anakin from a character perspective

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point who is now becoming so paranoid

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: About everyone around him

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: To be like everyone's teaming up against me

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't love me anymore

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if infidelity would have just been

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Too complex

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like for this

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_00]: For George, who I think is really pitching

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This movie at six year olds

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Theoretically, this movie's pitched a little up

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean obviously I think that one of the things

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so perplexing to him

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that other people like it

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's always like, he's painting with these

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Very broad strokes and so he can't have

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Infidelity, like he can't

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a room for it in his brain

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And to go back to the dream

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's interesting because I did

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Re-watch that scene too

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Dream sequences and film

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially in something like this

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Where they're not really given the sort of

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: David Chase treatment of real

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a real lived

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: There's an elephant and a net-bending is there

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like, there's a few images

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And he wakes up

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And clearly like the emotional

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what makes a dream

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Compelling is that there's some emotions

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Going on with the music video

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: In your head that makes you

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what keeps you up at night, whatever

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And he is sort of trying

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_00]: To convey those emotions when he wakes up

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So I've never really hewed too close

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_00]: To what his actual images are

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've sort of been like, okay what really matters

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Is how Anakin felt about this

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But also

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if maybe the reason

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That he then chokes Amidala out

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Is just because George Lucas is like, no he's bad

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He's now bad

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Bad bad bad bad

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no nuance to it

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And there isn't, there is no nuance to it

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to read

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We had a listener

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Anna Maria sent in a theory

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Not her own theory but she said

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This is interesting have you read this

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know about this

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is I will not read this entire thing

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Please do not

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But this guy

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Wrote a whole piece

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: On saying

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: People should un-ringe the Sith

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is this guy?

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_02]: His name is Joseph Tavano

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Editorial Padme didn't die of a broken heart

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I find it odd that one of the most pivotal

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Mysterious moments of Star Wars saga

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Is discussed frequently when the case is closed

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: People who come to the same wrong conclusion

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course we'll talk about the end of

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Rengen says one of my all-time favorite

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Film

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been counting but I've seen this movie

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: 500 times and I'm still finding new things

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: To consider

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait he hasn't been counting but he has seen it

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: On the nugget

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: If you watch a movie that many times you're going to invent things

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The final hour of this movie is densely packed with information

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't hold your hand

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Where a lesser film

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Would have wrapped things up

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: With an explosive

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Explosive

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Voice over reges the demands of viewers

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Watch how things unfold and ask the viewer to put the pieces together

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Themselves. Unfortunately not everyone has put together the proper way

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so his argument is

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Point by point

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to paraphrase it at this point

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Real paraphrase

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to read his exact words

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: To condemn him before I start sharing his theory

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: One is that the film never said that she dies of a broken heart

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She says Anakin you're breaking my heart and then the robot says

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: She's lost the world to live

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're not idiots and we can put one and one together that's the implication

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What's number two?

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Number two is he says it wasn't the choke that killed her

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was brief enough this and that

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, number three

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Those babies could have been brain dead though

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Point number three

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Point number three

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes droids don't know squat about the force

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You say because droids are mechanical and they pick up on

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god so he's doing the droid truth or doctor thing too

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Droid truth or

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so droids but who cares

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes all droids

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Hashtag yes all droids

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He's saying

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That droids would not be able to pick up on the force

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And so medically she's completely healthy for some reason

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you can't explain we're losing her

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She's done we don't know why she lost the world to live

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He claims that the reason they

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Can't pick up on is

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The force and the palpatine

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And talking about being able

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: To use the force to extend people's lives

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And to end them

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Has been killing Padme

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: From a distance

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So that he could

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Put the machinations in place to make Anakin

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Fulfill his destiny I agree I think it's a dumb theory

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because if he could do that he'd do it all the time

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly like what are you talking about

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay that aside I don't know if that's true

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that's interesting is that

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: When Anakin wakes up

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: As Darth Vader that palpatine

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Knows that Padme is dead

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have had questions about that

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the big linchpin of this guy's argument

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes why would palpatine know that how could he know that

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He just immediately knows God

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's because palpatine killed her

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's because palpatine can turn the force into life

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And can pull life out through the force

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And that they these droids who are so binary

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Would look at it and go we don't know how to explain

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She's losing the world to live

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in reality he's sucking it out of her

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So that he can make Anakin

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You know that would be interesting if it was in the movie

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I might buy into that if it was in the movie

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you could make

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you would have to make the argument that somehow

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Anakin

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Amidala is more

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Is like more susceptible to this force

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Sucking thing than the average person

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe you could make that whole argument

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying it would need to have been

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Set up in any way by this film in order to work

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not get crazy

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I also

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean this guy is saying oh well the last 30 minutes

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Are so misinterpreted but they're actually really dense

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're not holding your hand

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Every other moment of the last

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Two and a half movies have been holding your hand so much

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah hold your hand the whole time

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate fan theories

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate fan theories

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's time

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Merchandise spotlight

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so mad about the merchandise spotlight last time

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm really excited

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you want it

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a small one I found two

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to go in a different direction

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there were a lot of toys and stuff like that

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to go in a different direction

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Kellogg's company

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Created some food products

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The cereal was kind of boring

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just like

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Cithflake

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Churros and then

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Marshmallows but the marshmallows didn't look very good

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I got two items here

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: One is revenge of the sith

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Fruit snacks

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So they have six

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Shapes

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: To guess

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Darth Vader helmet

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Stormtrooper helmet

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Clone trooper helmet

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Light saber

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Ship

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: What are the ships

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yoda head

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Obi-Wan

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Jar Jar

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Grievous

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No they're all revenge of the sith characters

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No I was saying that in response to Jar Jar

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he's in a first second crying at Padme's funeral

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He's flopping around

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Behind Academy Award nominee Kisha Castle Hughes

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's in a second

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's also flopping when a

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: What's a chancellor gets back

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I think you're right

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Is Palpatine one of them?

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: How could Palpatine be one of them?

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, C-3-B-O-N-R-2

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct, what do you think the sixth one would be?

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's going to be something really weird

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're excited to tell us

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That fucking Wookie

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Not powerful

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: How weird it is

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yoda is so nice to this random Wookie called Chewbacca

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's he paying off to get this kind of billing?

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I bet he's the fucking fourth billed in this movie

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He's high billed in this movie

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If that, he's barely in it

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't do anything, what kid wants to eat Chewbacca

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: What kid remembers Chewbacca?

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Chewbacca appears to be orange

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Mmm delicious

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: C-3-B-O is lemon

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That was sure

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: C-3-B-O should have been blueberry

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And R2 should have been lemon

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: R2 is very sour

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You cat you

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot believe you just said that

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: How hard do you think it is to make a black

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: gummy bear?

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: A Vader

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We should mention that Vader is

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Blue, rather than being black

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He could be black cherry or something

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Blackberry

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And then

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The clone trooper

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Is crepe

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, what's the other one

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Second item

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a very tragic film

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It ends in misery

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: A once innocent boy filled with

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Promise and potential

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We know how the movie ends Griffin

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Love in his life

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Gets into a fight with his best friend and mentor

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: On a lava planet

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Gets his legs cut off

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Good death

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Lava plants the same site where he chokes his wife

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Which then ceases

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Kills her will to live

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: How do we make a fun food that ties into that?

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What about

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Lava berry pop tarts

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Pop tarts

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Two episodes

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Frosted lava berry explosion

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: With just Darth Vader's big helmet

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: With Darth Vader's big helmet

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Like

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Consumed the fires that consumed me

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: This is

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, it's a box

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We're just looking at a picture of a

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Pop tarts box

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The pop tarts are bright pink

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Like yellow sprinklers

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, Darth Vader's just

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking looming

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a kind of a sitcom tilt

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And he just looks like

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to devour your soul

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Livid edition star wars pop tarts

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Frosted lava berry explosion

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't read what does this say

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: With something something filling

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that say? You know

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's with wild berry filling

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild berry filling

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait, so is the

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh the lava berries is the lava

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Of the pits

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god!

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Most pop tarts are like one color on the outside

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like the frosting and then the inside filling

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is like all pink

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the crust is pink

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The frosting's pink

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The filling is pink and then they're a little flex

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Relive the loss of your mortal body

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: The trail of, yeah, I mean of course

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know why he looks so threatening here in the box?

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's furious that they're making light

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the death of everything

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He once was in a fucking breakfast bag

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's also because his head is like a skull

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: With two giant eyes

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But fair enough, it is a great design

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What I also appreciate is the pop tarts

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Is like a pop secret

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a reference here to

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: His paternity being a thing

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know you was a pop

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't know you was a double pop

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Double pop

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin, the inside out app

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Is on your front page of apps

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I play it all the time, it's a game

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of a game is it? Is it like a bubble bubble?

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well you have to match up the colors

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to match up memory or it's like snoo'd

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm obsessed with it

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Inside out is a great movie, it makes me feel good about people

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Inside out is a wonderful movie

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I haven't seen anything

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's perfect, probably my top five of the year

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, don't say that Sony, you have seen something

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You've seen Star Wars Episode

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The Revenge of the Sith

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you for rewatching parts of this movie

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for having me

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey Benny, what's up?

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you have something you wanted to do?

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Well it was kind of a weird tangent

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I went off on while you guys were clicking around

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well with last episode

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: When we discussed just one particular character

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It was Palpatine's episode

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I had suggested

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Who else would you have

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like to have seen play

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: This character

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We went off talking about Al Pacino

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of based on Palpatine

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Similarity to the movie Devil's Advocate

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So I went off on this really terrible

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Search of looking for

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Movies where women are beaten

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Or died or childbirth

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Did not find really any

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Helpful or great connections to make

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what Ben's been doing

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's what I've been doing guys

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Keeping Tom Hosley over here

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He's the peeper

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the peeper, it's the new name

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Well guys, Pan's labyrinth

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Aphelios mother

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Carmen, she dies

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Pan's labyrinth is her

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you guys seen Crimson Peak?

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I really like it

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: If I can stomach the blood I think I should see it

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I do really love that

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Just so Ben's suggestion wasn't a told

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: At end, I would like to

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Present for this new segment

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Star Wars What Ifs

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to present

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Al Pacino as

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Padme Amidala

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yorah

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Brick in my heart

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That was terrible

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not laughing

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh I loved it

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: The room loves it

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The room loves it

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost had a universe where Rose Burn

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Was Amidala or like

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Askesha Castle Hughes

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably, she was pretty

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you grooming Griff right now?

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a lot of sound

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Sound proofing is leaking onto my clothing

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Just try to tell me something

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to be good

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean my takeaway now is that very few actors could have survived

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Any of the parts in these films

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: The movie is

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Who would we like to see as Anakin?

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Ryan Gosling is a good answer

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan Gosling would have been in just the right position

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: To do it

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe the audition

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He was also like a Canadian TV actor

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Primarily at that point

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: He was much better at portraying rage

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a better, weird, fake

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Brooklyn accent

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no because this is my hitting

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Christensen ok?

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Padme I love you so much

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my Ryan Gosling

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I just went

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Padme

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What happened to Gosling?

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He made that movie and then he was off the grid

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He made that movie

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was taking a break

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to be a dad

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He directed it

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: He made the movie

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But he was in Gangsta Squad

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That was right before the break

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Gangsta Squad

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my Ryan Gosling

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Padme

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: My Ryan Gosling is just becoming

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Emma Stone might have been a fun Padme

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: She would have been good

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean she would have been too

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But she would have been cute

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: My Ryan Gosling is just

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: becoming Mugsy from the Looney Tunes Cartoon

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The Gangsta

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Ok, great

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Great podcast

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Can't wait to win a Webby Award for this

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And when we do Sonya you'll be up there

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Accepting it with us

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Who hoes the webbies these days?

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Wato

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Wato

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: This is really telling that

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: We've recorded two episodes in one day

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Right now this is getting fun

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone is just running out of steam

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Plop Tarts wasn't already showing

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: My weariness

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Plop Tarts was funny

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just cleanly state

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We are pro-Smits

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Not pro-bits

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Anti-bits

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Pro-Smits-Ship-Bits

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, that sounds like a cereal

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a Thai cereal

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Smits-Ship-Bits

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Smits-Ship-Bits

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations to us all

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for being with us today

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We're great artists

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonya people can follow you on Twitter

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They have to spell my name though, it's hard

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not give them any help

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonya Saraya

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Figure it out

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She's terrified

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is worthy of following you on Twitter?

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Can read your work on Salon

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Night Cheese is the other podcast we've been doing

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna cut that out

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh you did, thank you

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good point to announce that Ben and I are about to start a new spin-off podcast

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Morning Crackers

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No it's called Cut That Out

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty short

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We end up cutting a lot of stuff out

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Morning Crackers Colin Cut That Out

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And what happens is I eat a cracker on mic

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Ben goes cut that out

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's each episode

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to guess which type of cracker I'm eating

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we're terrible people

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to die

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Watch a terrible movie

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I want to eat my own head

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Next time

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully maybe we'll do the performance review next time

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's about syncing up guests

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But we got some good ones going up

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do a performance review

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to do

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Jenny Tartowski's Clone Wars

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Jenny Tartowski my favorite living filmmaker

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Director of HOTEL Transylvania and HOTEL Transylvania 2

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Did a Clone Wars Micro Series

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Animate Micro Series I think is better

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: On the Cartoon Network I believe

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, better than the film

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're gonna do that

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do performance review

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see which one comes next

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But those are both coming up in your future

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: They're coming along a short time ahead

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: In a galaxy very close by

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make fun of me

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my real voice

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It is not

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it is! I talk like

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This!

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You're never gonna get a Pixar movie

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: My career is ruined

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Producer Ben, final thoughts

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry we dragged you out here

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: For on a Sunday night

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No it's okay it was fun

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: At least convincing

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: No it was fun

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: No it was fun

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean the previous episode I was mad

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I was very mad

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: He hasn't talked much in last episode

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait why was Ben mad?

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't want to be here doing it

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But I warmed up and this one had a lot of fun

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It was because of me

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Aw yay!

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll call you the Ben Breaker

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you break Ben like ice

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Breaking?

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright we need to be done with that

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Final thoughts

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And as always

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Smithship bits

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Smithship bits

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye guys

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Bye