After Earth with James III

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, Don't know what to say or to expect. All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Danger is real. Podcasting's a choice.

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[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi everybody. I'm Griffin Newman. I'm David Sims. This is Griffin and David. You did it wrong. This is Blank Check. That was our old name. I force a habit.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_03]: This is Blank Check Podcast with Griffin and David. Sure. The Blank Check Podcast. We go through filmographies of directors. Yeah, who are crazy.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And often people who had big success early on and now get a blank check to do whatever they want. Perfect. Film after film after film. Especially with this guy.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Film after film after film after film. This guy is M. Night Shyamalan. Yep. This is a mini series called Pod Night Shamacast. Great.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Got through it all very quickly today. And we have a guest. And we have a guest. Oh my god. Our guest. I'm so excited. We've talked about how we're trying to create collections with our guests.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, sure. Sure. There's certain pools of people that we respect. We're playing bingo. We're trying to get the certain lines through.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite podcast, which we've referenced a lot on this show. Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood. Great podcast. I recommend to anyone who's not already listening to it.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We had John Braylock on our Revenge of the Podcast. Yeah, on the Clone Wars episode. Yes. Tartatovsky. That was a great episode.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Back when we were a Star Wars podcast. And now we have our second host of that show. We have two out of the three. We got one more to go.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is James III. Comedian, actor, extraordinaire. Podcast co-host James III.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Who made a brief appearance on the live show? Am I wrong? Yes, I was there. Yes, yes.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Technically returning guest. You know him. At this point you're comfortable with him. Everybody knows who I am. You watch that live show. You know him.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone knows me now. Now this was, the second we decided we were gonna do M.I. Chaman. Mm-hmm. And we went through.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_08]: No, the second we were talking about it. You're like oh, I know who we need for after a hundred percent

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because James you're a big Will Smith. I'm a huge Will Smith man your podcast is about

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Leading black men and major Hollywood films that's right and so Will Smith becomes I mean he sort of we bring him up a lot

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the large. Yeah, right cuz for people of our generation 20 years. He was the guy

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was the guy and you talk about sort of how to a detriment

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He got so big that everyone like oh, we got one black guy movies. We don't need anybody else

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, possibly the most bankable at least for 15 years

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Five year period where he was uncontested the number one biggest star

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: For sure there were times where he was like hovering, but I think it's longer, but go anyway doesn't matter keep going

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was a five-year period of where it was like definite a guarantee like just

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't matter what he makes I think Ali was his last flop and then

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Financially financially didn't do well that was an expensive movie

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love that movie that was an expensive movie didn't do it

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But like you're after that he does men in black 2 and he doesn't have a flop until seven pounds right which wasn't a huge

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Floor I see seven pounds is the end of Will Smith like it's like if he makes a movie people went to see it

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was the end. Oh, yeah, that was for sure

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_08]: That movie was just too fucking weird for everybody to be like oh, I gotta go see the jellyfish

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's like and it even did better than anyone else

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_08]: On box office mojo in the category jelly jellyfish in a bathtub

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It is number one and even if you adjust for inflation. It's still number

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But 2002 to 2008 I would say

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Uncontested for sure like six years he was the guy no question and before that he'd already made in

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_06]: 96 yeah, that's the thing I mean yeah, it's like it's closely tied to like fresh prints

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Also still being on the air kind of thing like it's there's like an overlap there

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_06]: He was the TV star of our childhood right yes. Yeah, this is what I view as the arc

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I view okay, so it's like recording career fresh prints right then he starts doing small roles and like

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Made in America and six degrees of separation one's like well Smith good movie star, right?

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Then bad boys happens right and this is all sort of like he hasn't missed at this point

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so then you go like bad boys doing great Independence Day

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, then it's bad boys that Independence Day is like the most successful film ever made. It's a big jump

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And then after that it's

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_08]: A couple you know he's got like bagger vans in there whatever

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Is you go like Independence Day humongous men in black humongous humongous right then enemy the state does really fucking well for a

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Crappy already to move it's an okay move right and then Wild Wild West is like a disaster

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But everyone goes to see a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, but everyone hates it right?

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_08]: He's number one in the giant spider

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Giant mechanical spider and villain without a dick only makes dick jokes

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Whose characterization is only based around his lack of a penis and him building facet mill penises

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: How to steampunk elements?

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But no, but see I'd say that's like period one where it's like this guy only makes mega mega movies

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Right yeah, and then he has a couple flops in a row

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right then he does like bagger vans is an all he makes a couple dramas in a row that don't really connect

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: In the same way, but he gets an Oscar nomination

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_08]: By the way guys this is gonna be kind of a Will Smith mini episode of this podcast

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a Will Smith movie. This is an M. Night movie. He's the dominant auteur of this film

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So he like comes back and then when he comes back in

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: 2002 he does Man of Black 2 and he does bad boys 2 and then it's just like hit hit hit hit

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I robot is in there

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Pursuit of happiness makes a ton of money

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing I was gonna say. And then I am legend which is his second most successful film

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, after Independence Day and is awesome. I love I am legend. Yeah, I like it too

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I heard it was bad though. No, it's okay

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I am legend CGI. Okay, you're

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good I really like I am legend I like it a lot

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say I think the moment where he has to kill the dog is the single best acting moment his entire career

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean it doesn't like a dead dog is like the ultimate I feel like that's like a trump card

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You can play for like a big emotion, but sure

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That scene is

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: nonverbal close-up of his face

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna be yeah, and it's like there's no other movie star who could pull that off. No

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: pursuit of happiness is the one that I think really shows what level he was at because like you go Ali well

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a drama. It did all right for what it was. He got an Oscar nomination

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: No one expected to play like a blockbuster and then pursue happiness played like a fucking block

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: 160 million dollars domestic right so at that point it was like oh he works in any genre hitch was humongous

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it was like he can do a manic comedy. He can do a drama

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He can do a sci-fi whatever he does it's gonna be a huge blockbuster then seven pounds happen

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's the same year though, it's like Hancock happens

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and it's like it makes a lot of money, but people are like this is the worst

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And you and I are on the same page about which is that it's low-key kind of cool

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_06]: But then seven pounds comes out and like that same year, it's like oh no

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: We just saw two bad movies in a year

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so people so what does he do he doesn't make a film for four years four years

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: He's off the screen now just to contextualize this a little bit true on your podcast

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Right say what episode are you up to now? Oh god? I don't I don't know

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Just had an episode on the rundown. We just talked about yeah, we just talked about men in black

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's your most recent episode which I highly recommend from South by South way. Yeah. Oh yes

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The first two-thirds I'd say of your run so far

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You would at the end of every episode yes, I would I would bring up the movie Hancock and ask

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's great good. Yeah, Braylock would say like I think anything else anything else

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And you would present it as if it was a serious question about the film and then it would just be about Hank yes

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Then then you finally covered Hank right right you did a live show you covered Hank so now

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm asking about after right so after the good movie

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but is after earth a good movie though, so what is my girlfriend who listens to this podcast listens to James's podcast

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the only thing she knows about after and I said we're doing it after episode. She was like oh the they all I do

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_08]: They keep talking about

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah when we wrote out the list we wrote down all the Shamla movies

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We said who would be good guess oh it was like immediate no quite no, but I think we're all tying everything together

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We're telling a couple stories concurrently in an efficient manner

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So you were you were the immediate choice now this film to contextualize the movie a little bit

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's been four years will Smith's off the screen then he comes back and he does men in black three

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, which was very safe. Yeah, it's a super safe movie to make cuz everyone knows the product

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_06]: They know that it's done well in the past, but it's also like it's really weird what they choose to do

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And it doesn't make enough money in this country it makes tons of money worldwide cuz he's a big world wide star

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well two things I remember his giant trailer that was like parked in so hope like that was the best

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Little big but when he does he does the bagger Vance Ali run right which is after Wild West

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I think he feel felt a little burned by right?

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's publicly said like fuck. I hate well you know that sucked yeah, right so his response

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That was I'm not gonna do another big blockbuster

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna make two dramas, and then I'm gonna go back to safe territory he made two sequels in a row

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he made men in black that too and bad boys too, and it was like okay. I got the public

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Zone I know they're comfortable with me and I'm back on solid footing now. I can take more chances again. Yeah

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Same thing happened after seven pounds. He's like I got to go back to a comfort zone four years off

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Largely developing Jayden's career yeah, so he develops two projects at Sony because I want to make franchises for both my kids

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: buys the rest of karate kid

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Remakes it with his son Jayden even though you know is humongous who do people don't talk about this enough the karate kid was

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Humongous and that is the number one movie in the box office mojo category of older Asian man rubs jelly into a young black boy

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a chest number one number one great

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember I haven't ever seen the karate kid totally

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But I was watching it on TV

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like on TV on FX or whatever while I was doing I looked up and Jackie Tim was just rubbing like oils

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_08]: In Jane and Smith's chest his bare chest. That's all I know about that movie

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: 175 million dollars

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Like huge insane

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_06]: 360 million dollars and I didn't say I didn't see it. Okay, the best

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's what it should I wanted to say I did say I'll say this I think Jackie Chan's great in it

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Jackie Chan is he's a pro. He's a pro, but you know a couple dramatic scenes

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really nails and Jayden is like fine. He's like a cute kid. He's like

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's still that's the thing he's his last pre puberty performance, and he's great

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Very cute in pursuit of happiness, although I mean like he's basically just playing his kid his dad's kid

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's and it's you know, it's nice to see movie where really little in that one. Yeah

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like eight. Yeah, it's nice to see a movie where a the father-and-son actually look similar

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as rarely we get family casting looks similar and it adds a lot of emotional weight when it's like

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe their family right because they actually are but also they're clearly so comfortable with each other. They're actually fun

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god. Oh, yeah, I should say that sport that we're gonna go into spoiler territory

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Jayden Smith is Will Smith's son. Whoa, we're gonna have to cover that on the gas. Okay, okay, right

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and and and you know, they're the emotions of the scenes or immediate cuz it's like an actor he feels comfortable because

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he does the day the earth stood still a Jayden. Yeah, yeah

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one other movie without well, maybe not

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_08]: No, okay

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_08]: No

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_08]: It's pursuit of happiness day there's just still is two years after that karate kids to two years after that, right?

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Now this and then now and this and that's that's that he's done. Yeah, I think I think you might be retired

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But the karate kid everyone's like I might do all right it did like 50 million opening week huge

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then like like better than its opening week

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It played to a young market and they liked it and yeah, but I think also the nostalgia thing

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think people like the original Jackie Chan big gripe of mine

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: If I can just sidebar for one second here the film has no karate in it what it's exclusively about kung fu

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: China it's set in China and throughout the movie they go like I'm gonna teach you kung fu

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I know kung fu kung fu competition. They never say the word karate

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Karate is a Japanese

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Course it is but like I know they're like well we paid all this money for the karate kid

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't we use the title because I don't know it's not about karate

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, call it the kung fu kid people will get it

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll know what you're talking about and then also in that in that zone

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think look obviously whatever they did worked for them because I made you know hand over fist

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just feel like if you call it the kung fu kid people go. Oh, it's not even really a remake right?

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like a spiritual whole other thing in line with it's a parallel story

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It should be called the fucking kung fu kit also kung fu panda 2 should have been called kung-fu panda

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of my biggest gripes in history

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm enraged when I think about yeah, no that's good. I agree with you kung-fu panda

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the lady I'm dating the other night

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She was like do you ever get mad and I was like, oh yeah, I'm a very angry person

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like I don't see it

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I mostly get like angry about movies and stuff like on my podcast and stuff

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see and she's like what's something you get angry about and the first thing I thought of was like they didn't call

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It fucking kung-fu panda

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_08]: That was the first thing I thought of I'm annoyed about now. You see me too. I'm really yeah that one

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That should be called now you don't yeah

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I would even settle for now you see me too colon now you don't yeah that would like I would settle for

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That I know that would that would be hilarious. Also is it now you see me to TOO

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a fucking number two here's another one and this is a bit of a reach because the other ones were saying are

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So obvious they obviously it should have been kung fu kid

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: To Panda now you don't no question everyone agrees on those three. Here's one that's a little more of a reach

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Scooby-doo to monsters unleashed. I really wish it was called Scooby-Doo

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would be

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Be fun, I'd be do it be fun

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Anyway, we're talking about after

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Scooby-doo

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Scooby-Doo cuz it's funnier. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, that's fine

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so after James Smith right Will Smith is like I make my kids movie stars now, right?

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So but yeah, he made man in black three

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It was what it was but this is in the time in between in the time in between seven pounds of men in black three

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He makes he produces

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Star and he he buys the rights to Annie for Willow and that's they're gonna do that

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And then she doesn't want to be she decides she doesn't want to be movies right?

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Convinced any walls. Yes

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But so then he comes back to the big screen men in black three makes a ton of money

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you guys know this but like there was this thing where the New York tax incentive

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: The for film production is going to expire at the end of that calendar year

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It was up for reevaluation and the thought was they're gonna vote it down and the tax break is gonna be smaller than it

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Has been the price because it you know Bloomberg, you know encourage a lot of film production in this city

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so whatever year was I think 2011 right?

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like December 2011 or 2010 or whatever and they had like a man black three script

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't really happy with it

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Will Smith was like not he's like this isn't a workable shape to start filming but they knew they had okay

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It starts out present. They go to the 60s. We have Josh Brolin cast

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's the basic premise of the movie. Yeah, and they went what if

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We just shoot the first act of the film the stuff with Tommy Lee Jones

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He is a scheduling conflict if we start the production within 2011 or 2010

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever year was we'll get the tax break. We shoot that then we shut down production for two months

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Work on the script and then come back and shoot the other stuff

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So they were like let's lock down a first act that we can't change before we have the second

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We have written the rest of the movie has a really complicated time travel centric. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, right

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So they do that

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Then they shut down production for two months to work on the script and two months later Sony's like, okay, well

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Timers up we got I found the movie and he was like

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the scripts ready and he had ultimate say and they couldn't start the movie

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So for like two more months Will Smith had eight writers working

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Simultaneously to try to crack the second and third acts of the movie and they were paying the crew and the cast to not work

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_08]: They had them on hold and like we caused like 250 million

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it cost an insane amount of money and then there was the shit with like I think all this is important

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then there's the shit with the trailer

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like a city block wide and these people like complained and had it toed right just has there's not a there's a lot of

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_06]: negative energy aimed at Will Smith. Yes, right a guy who at this point had been like

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Uncontested America's favorite. Yeah, like everyone loved him, you know, and even people who weren't like huge Will Smith fans were like

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Guys charming. Yeah, they were like he's been some good movies

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you couldn't find someone who was like fuck Will Smith

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone who said that another started to be a fuck Will Smith thing. It's like why is he pushing his kids so hard?

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the kid thing there was a lot of the Scientology talk was

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and so he starts hanging out with Tom Cruise a lot

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Then all the sudden like Scientology principles start floating around in conversations interviews and stuff and when I asked point-blank

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like look

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a student of all religions

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Which he'd always said like because he is this guy who by all accounts is sort of like an omnivore for knowledge

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's just fucking studying everything all the time Will Smith wants to be like galactus like he wants to like

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Absorb everything be the most physically fit and know everything in the world

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So like as far back as like 2000

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember reading interviews with him where he was like I find these principles of the Jewish faith interesting

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I read about this in Buddhism, you know, I don't practice anything that

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Donating to Scientology now he's donating to Scientology

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He opens at school

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: School or something and they're all using study technology, which is something that all around Hubbard

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: push right and

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Scientology just you know a basic thing it's like, you know a pyramid scheme disguised as a religion created by a sci-fi writer

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But the core of it is this set of psychological principles, right?

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But he had submitted to like psychiatric journals

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was I think I figured out a good way to make the mind work and everyone's like you write

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Dime store novels go eat a turd Elaron and he turned into a religion

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Dianetics is the core of those principles because I that's important glossary to establish because we're gonna be talking about Dianetics a lot

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, man black 3 there's some weird mojo going on

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie comes out kind of a mad response. Some people like it. Some people hate it does well

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But cost way too much but now he's back right? He's back on screen. What's he gonna do?

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Jaden has a huge hit under his belt M night meanwhile this exact same time is coming off of last airbender

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Which also made a tremendous amount of money some money, but was hated by everyone hates it

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll swept the rest and the three movies before that people also hate it

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so M nights at this real like an easy. Yeah, we're like on one hand. He's still kind of bankable

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Because his movies haven't lost money that much like other than Lady in the Water, right?

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very clear the bloom is off the rose

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and like he's starting to become a bigger deterrent and I you know

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I said this in that interview we did with past guest Joe Reed

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But I remember the moment where I saw the Lady in the Water trailer in theaters and the trailer came out

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There was only ever one trailer teaser. It had an old Devo song

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It was all images Paul Giamatti under a sink. Whatever the audience

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I saw that opening night some movie was like

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Came on the screen it said a bedtime story about a much on lot, and I heard the entire crowd go

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and suddenly everyone like they're like oh, I'm interested in that

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that looks stupid, but if M nights doing it something weirds going on yeah well things have changed

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: 2010 I see the trailer for devil and yeah, you'll be about Satan and elevator yes, right and the trails come up people

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Are like oh?

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no later creepy like a good little b-thriller whatever it is and then it goes from producer M night Shyamalan

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Everyone laughs yeah, and I was in a theater everyone groaned

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like like loud groans

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know a single person who saw that that trailer in theaters in a packed house

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Who didn't hear it either a grown or a laugh?

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it was like okay within four years like that shift happened where now his name is like an immediate deterrent

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and even they pushed him hard on last airbender like it was an M night Shyamalan film

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He was out there doing press like he was doing fucking kids choice awards and stuff

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You know and then like this movie

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Will Smith comes to him right will Smith like Jaden had a big hit on his own

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready to take Jaden to the next level. I mean, I saw that TV show

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I shouldn't be a lot right so the story is that will Smith sees an episode of I shouldn't be alive

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And has this idea of like you know it'd be a good

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to find a movie for me and Jaden in together

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Where I can like pass the torch to him

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know put Jaden in like a big movie and he had this idea of like that's a really interesting concept for a movie

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is he saw some story?

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you know that he jumped off from of like a father and a son who get in a car crash and

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The father is like in the mountains. Yeah

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the son has to go out on his own and find help to rescue the father

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree. I think that is a good idea. That's a cool idea

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Idea for like a sparse starting point. Yeah, jumping off spot. Yeah, but you go okay father-son relationship

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Emotionally like that's deep right like father-son movies almost always work

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: If you invest that that's like that's a good starting point for an emotional

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_08]: movies about father-son stuff put it that way a lot

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'll say there are a lot of father-son movies that I think are shitty, but they still get to me

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying like I'm angry that I'm getting worked up

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't even know that I liked father-son movies until Netflix recommended a category to me father-son emotional dramas

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I was like, oh wait. Oh, yeah all my all these movies that I love our son

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So he he has that starting point of an idea and he brings it to some writers and then at one point

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes like wait. I think this idea the core of this idea could be a lot bigger

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: What if we make this a sci-fi thing?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_03]: They get this writer Gary Witta who had written the book of Eli at that point

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he comes in with the other half this idea which is earth

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: thousand years after we've left yeah, and it's now uninhabitable and in fact

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's a hostile environment

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And so what if you do that idea the son has to rescue the father the father stuck the son has to come

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Into his own which is very meta textual of like I'm gonna literally let my son become the hero of the movie

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm gonna be stuck under a rock and my son has to become the leading man

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It was gonna be called 1000 AE mm-hmm and then he went to M night

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He went to M night and he apparently had always been wanting to make a film with M night and night had a film that

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He was close to making you know who's gonna be in it. It was I know glad Paltrow

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Bruce Willis and yeah

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Remember that what was that movie? It was like we don't know

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But he had those four people and this is like big Bradley Cooper

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, did those four people locked in to do it and I think like the blooms off the rose

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The nature of the conversation we don't know and we will never know but I imagine what happened was

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Will was like make this for me and then maybe we can make that was like you're in a bad place right now

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is gonna be an automatic hit right if you direct this you'll get your clout back right

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_08]: But so what of course it's Shyamalan. What does he have to do?

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of what film Philadelphia needs to write it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_08]: So he write he he wrote you know, he took the second pass of the script. He did a rewrite

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's it's he's on he's good at it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was the first thing that he didn't develop. No, it's the first movie that it wasn't his idea

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I wasn't his I'd yes exactly

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and Will Smith was gonna be in like a Katrina movie and he had to pull out of that

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: American can yeah, which sounded very interesting and then he tried to get

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Denzel Washington to take over it and then it just never got made. Yeah

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And indeed yes, this movie was half shot in Philadelphia

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Half shot in like Costa Rica and Utah like cool places like that for the alien landscapes

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: What are you doing? What are you what are you doing? I'm pulling up something like yeah

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: It's got a stupid Amazon x-ray thing Amazon x-ray by the way, I'm now an Amazon employee

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So please rent all your movies on Amazon and use that Amazon x-ray. That was how I watched this

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I watched it on iTunes go Apple

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Producer co-writer Will Smith envisioned after earth as a multi-platform franchise including books graphic novels and interactive video games

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Which would all inform everything these days, but they did release like four paperback novels of the extended universe

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh really? Yeah

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean I would be I would read that I didn't know that happened

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So I didn't read any of that but I would read that stuff

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: There are there are was it say here. They're a couple books. There's a series of spin-off novel subtitled ghost stories have been planned

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't released then there was there was a Bible. There was like a cat eyes journal. There are books you can find

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Why just want I have two additional things I did god damn it Griffin

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: original screenplay was written by Gary Witta, it's not idea by Will Smith and

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Chomlun did a few drafts of the story and will Smith by the way has story by will

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the story credit. Yeah, the other two people they had rewrite the film were Stephen Gagan sure he rewrites everything

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like Academy Award winner for traffic. Yeah, and Mark Bowl

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Academy Award winner for the hurt locker. Yeah, and I'm not a chomlan Academy Award nominee

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So you have like but Gagan and Mark Bowl are guys who rewrite everything like yeah, they I mean who knows what they do

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh the two after-earth books are called after a united ranger corpse survivor survival manual. Oh, that's a fake manual

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I want this book after a cat eyes journal

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_06]: First of all when did he have time to write the journal?

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true. Is it just him being like you know tough day at school today like is it pre is it an early journal or is it?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the last true effect

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to read and this one I think is important who knows how real this is okay

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But this this knocked me back and not surprising but to hear this stated so bluntly and confident what?

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Although not credited on the finished film co-writer producer Will Smith was responsible for much of the movie's direction

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, M. Night Shyamalan was primarily in charge of the blocking composition of shots placement camera

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And the visual aspects of the film color and design

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It was Will Smith who personally coached Jason Smith in his performance

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Dictate the development of the story and on-screen action after but the story and acting were heavily criticized Shyamalan decided to take the blame

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_08]: What's the sourcing for that though?

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The source on this one is IMDB trivia

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to make this clear because we now cite them a lot IMDB trivia is literally sourceless and anyone can add to it

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a scum of no way to back it up

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_08]: hive of scum and villainy

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But uh I do think there's probably something to the idea at least that will was had a heavy investment in his son's performance

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The dominant voice of this film. I think he's the auteur

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's let's get into the movie now that we've set the stage great bad movie two stars

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of like it. I yeah, I don't hate this

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It's probably the best movie Shyamalan had made in quite a long since like the village

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say in terms of like, you know, it has like a story with like a beginning and an end

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know moves. Okay, it's a little boring, but it's you know, it's got a little suspense

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_06]: A little bit of fun looks okay. I was like when watching it again

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like trying to find stuff to not like about it cuz because I know everyone doesn't like this movie

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was hard

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It was like there was I could find some at the beginning and then after a while I was like I can't find

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Anything anymore, you know, like I had to watch it was kind of with you

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this movie is kind of boring like I think

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's light is like a little it's a little inert

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I don't it's very inert well, but it's not like I don't find that many things in the film that are like

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Egregiously bad. Yeah, like there are few moments where I'm like this is terrible

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I just like this is less engaging than it's sure or could be mediocre

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_06]: too bad

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Another way of saying kind of good

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Battle episode I think I can't go on this is not kind of good

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_06]: You can't give it a C Ben help me out here. What do you want you?

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm I'm so upset right now hearing this guys this movie fucking sucks

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay. Well, we just say let's create some context the voice you're hearing right now is our producer

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, producer Ben. Hey, hey the bend user. It's a K purdeur Ben, you know me aka the poet laureate

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: aka mr. Positive

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: aka the Haws

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: aka birthday Benny

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Professor Chris don't you dare

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Professor Ben Kenobi producer Ben Kenobi. Oh my god. We call him Kylo, Ben

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But here's another thing we call him

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Now what happens if the tiebreaker is part of the tie yeah when he makes it the time

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a tough call. No, no, we got to say hello fennel for now and keep the argument going. That's right

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's start with the beginning of this because I think this is the one at the beginning

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Worst part where they're just like, okay

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So we left earth and then we went to another planet

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But there are monsters and they can smell fear and so we have ghosts who can kill the monsters because they have no fear

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Got that great. Like that's the beginning of the movie. This is also exactly how the last airbender started. It's true

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yo, let me catch you up. Okay. All right

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It starts with a little girl who shouldn't be the lead of a movie

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of ability and charisma right doing a very very dry voiceover narration about like

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: 4,000 years ago four tribes existed and it's just this montage of scenes that you're like, can I see that? Yeah

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I I wouldn't even hate this part so much if

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Like the moment that they weren't choosing to show from later in the movie was the part where he's you know

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like is he thinking this right now am I supposed to believe that right at this moment he's thinking this

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what the opening of this movie should be?

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_08]: They say the race is taking out a nurse or whatever

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, say like it's my father general cipher age which won't spend an hour talking about

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They say like my father general cipher age was the proudest of them all he had no fear

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The lack of fear makes you a ghost

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: What is the

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds a little like Katherine Hepburn

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: American received pronunciation, but I think it's supposed to be some sort of like pan global accent

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Yeah, they're aiming for no

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Everyone's is different. Everyone has a different one, which is we that doesn't make no one's is quite right

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Everyone's got an accent. We were like wait

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This person will only say everyone there are the four members of the family in this film, right?

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Will and Jaden and then there is so feel can I do and

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: His wife yeah. Yes, and so it's a place the dead daughter

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, which I just quick faint praise award if I can hand it out well cast in terms of resemblance

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Kravitz and Okanedu are one of the best mother daughter on screen. They look identical

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a shot there and together where it's like the only difference between their two faces is the little bit of Will Smith

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to put in yeah, like it's such good casting

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They have nothing to do in the film

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They look incredible next to each other

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So the four of them all seem like they're sort of trying to do the same accent

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: This like combination of Katherine Hepburn and the Canadians from South Park, right? Yeah, like you're my buddy guy. You're my guy, buddy

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They're all sort of doing that. I feel like every other character you meet in the film isn't doing an accent like the pilots

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the other core yeah, they're probably just talking. Oh, yeah

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Guy who like is missing a leg. Yeah

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like an American has an American

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Christopher I don't know how you say it gives you I don't know how you pronounce his name

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But he now is in Game of Thrones as Tormund Giantsbane

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, and he plays the guy who he's like where the earth is chained up in the ship

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Like to Jayden like do you want to see it? He's like Swedish. Yeah, he's using his Swedish accent

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Right and like Chris gear from you're the worst. I mentioned him. He is one of the pilots. He's English

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: She's using English accent like everyone's just doing whatever they do. Yeah, I do think the idea was like oh all of earth

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's one accent now for everybody

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We all speak in English

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also like the four of them seem to be the only ones really committing to making some new accent as a

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: First other people using their own accent, right?

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like from the get-go you're like they shouldn't put this on this kid. Yeah

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Performer and yes, it a happiness in karate kid and he's like so stilted and stiff and bad in this movie

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean to me that's the main reason the movies bad

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He's 70% of the 100% you also kind of feel like that's part of how he's direct like yeah

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like kind of like the future the weird like trying to separate yourself from fear

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely, it's kind of what leads to that sort of stilted right?

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_08]: He's supposed to be playing someone who's trying to like this is so, you know almost like Spock like right like me

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Entirely like without emotion. Okay, and this gets in the Dianetics thing

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is the the core of Dianetics as like a philosophical like as a psychological principle

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that human beings are weighed down by like past trauma and regrets and their memories and stuff like that

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And the thing that Dianetics aims to do is like remove those things from your mind

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And they claim that if you do that you go clear right?

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Scientology is a religion based on those principles and like an active process to try to help people go clear if you go clear

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They say you can accomplish anything. You just become so focused and so productive

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_08]: This was the premise of Matt Patches piece. Have you read that piece?

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: No, Matt Patrick's past guest on the show wrote a whole piece about how like this is a Scientology movie and

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Cipher rage is like clear theta clear. Yeah, it's like the ultimate stage of sight

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the reading you could make of this man

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's why they say like, you know, I mean there are many reasons why they try to recruit movie stars

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But one of them is that like for actors it's very appealing if you go like hey

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We can like strip away all your baggage right and you're just balanced and can approach any project and jump into it

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I say something against this because a lot of people have said that the idea that this is a Scientology movie is

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_08]: stretching it and I agree that it is a little bit because

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_08]: His whole emotionless thing is like the villain of the movie

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Conquered at the end of the movie and at the end of movie they're like, you know what?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's go work with our with mom and like not do this. That's what I find fascinating about the movie is

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's like a pro Scientology like propaganda movie

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's a movie that is so based in I think Will Smith and his like relentless pursuit for like human

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Perfection right to become like the ultimate human being I think got into Scientology

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of that like promise of like we can make you go clear and and by the way the Scientology talk has like really died

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Down the last couple years. Yeah, I think after this movie he really sort of back

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like though there's been there have been quote unquote official statements now that he

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Never was a Scientology like you know what I mean? Like not like coming coming out of Scientology

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Gee, yeah people are saying like well, he never actually officially like signed the doctor

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was fucking around with it a little bit

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know and I think this movie was coming from a point where he was like not like I need to teach the learnings of

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Scientology but was like I'm really into these ideas right now about going clear all that concept

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so it's this idea that if you fucking if you don't have any fear is that they focus on the one

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: emotion for the sake of this movie

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But like you don't have any fear then these the Ursa the aliens can't see you and then you can do anything

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: One this is kind of dumb, but whatever

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They can't see they can only smell emotions right it's the thing where they're like

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_08]: We got to this new planet

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_08]: we got to this new planet Nova Prime and

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Like oh nice place except the aliens have designed a race that could kill us perfectly like perfect hunters

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe we're blind not the best planet to live on but also like oh, they're perfect hunters. They are blind yeah

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Go back to the drawing board with these guys like give them eyes

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_08]: They can see

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Would be a good thing to kill humans with you know humans are very visible right we're not invisible

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Just smelling our fears they like and it's just immediately like oh what is like what a dumb

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Premise for a movie right it's also the fucking Phantom ass trilogy thing where if you start a movie with five minutes

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Of fucking nonsense terms. I haven't heard before my brain sort of just shuts off

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: If like the opening of your film is like the ranger course we've been killing us for 5,000 years right

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Ghosting was a thing that cypher rage could and I'm just like I don't know

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you're talking about. It's done a montage

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the one shot they give you of like Will Smith walking through a field

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's an Ursa there

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And he just like a fucking badass like throws his knife out stabs a thing and they go like he was the ultimate ghost

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know yeah cool show me that fucking scene

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you could do all of that visually

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You could drop me into an exciting action scene where they're a bunch of monsters and a bunch of Rangers and then big hero shot

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Will Smith comes from the dust the audience cheers. Yeah, I mean oh my god. They're gonna kill him. What's going on?

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: How is he not being killed stab stab stab and someone goes he's done it. He's eliminated fear. He's become a ghost

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: That conveys everything this fucking opening narration trying to get across and it also would be entertaining

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Now it's still

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_08]: The problem is like in this movie to be a hero who's like a total badass

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_08]: You have to be really boring because it's like you're emotionless

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's just Will Smith super cool being like you

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's like no face no expression no emotion. It's a movie about your bad dad

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_08]: You gotta be bad dad

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you gotta be a bad dad so is this father-son thing

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Saying to Jayden like look I know I'm not around all the time

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I know I'm a movie star and I gotta do all this stuff

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But hey like you got to do that to be a movie like that was at that

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought what's happening here think and will has also said in the past will I'm on a first name?

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, yeah, Bill Smith is sad. I guess but we'll come on the podcast

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Bill is said in the past Billy

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That he like had said what people were like did you force your kids to go into show business to like make movies

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like look I told my kids and this was before it seems like there was a bit of a life re-evaluation

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: From him we'll talk about that

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Guess but this is like a couple years ago around the time of after I think before it came out

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like I just told my kids very plainly. I said like yeah, willow Jayden, which let's talk for one second

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Acknowledge that he called his daughter named his daughter after himself and his son after his wife. Yeah, good bit

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good bit. It's very consistent. It's very consistent good bit commitment

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But he said to them like by his own words, right?

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, you can do whatever you want to do and I'll support you in that

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not gonna be able to help you because this is the only thing I understand

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to be an astronaut good on you, but I don't understand that

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there was this pressure of like if you want to have a relationship with me

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's what it sort of sounded like if it was like if you want to have a relationship

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to do what I do. Yeah, which does feel like the subtext of this movie

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, but there also is this counterintuitive father-son dynamic like I want to live up to my dad's standards

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, but the counterintuitive thing is like what's the number one thing if you cite?

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: What makes Will Smith such a great movie star guys just got charisma

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this movie is about I want you to follow in my legacy become the next me by being bland and emotion

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: By being a total blank slate being a cipher or and and by being like by being a total blank slate

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Except when you are like hyper ventilating which is in it's such a stark

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Contrast right that like it's it's you it's hard to even watch that like it's hard to even watch those scenes

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Watch that cuz you're like

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Just frustrating like so yeah, it's like so frustrated. It's so

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Taken II hyper ventilating that you're like I can't deal take any the two the two main characters okay for listeners at home

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm taking in me

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The two main characters in this film who are on screen for 90% of the movie like there's probably a combined

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: 30 lines of dialogue not uttered by these two characters. Yeah, right

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The two main characters have two emotional states the entire film

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing and hyperventilation

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's kind of it right

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So the opening the opening there's the whole thing and then it goes to like Jayden

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He's running and he's training and they go you're not being past as Ranger

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Goes home to dinner his father's the legend his mother seems very warm and caring

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She she does a good job getting across emotion in very limited screen time

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Maternal she seems nice right right

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Jane announces a dinner that he's not a Ranger right will

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: React as badly as someone who doesn't have emotions

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_08]: They're eating with these three finger chopsticks that I was very fascinated by it's like three finger clears chopsticks where it's just I love

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Sci-fi movies where they haven't thought the world through, but they're just like I don't know this future chopstick

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Like is a third chopstick like that's that's that's their whole idea for a future a future eat a future cuisine

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite thing like that is in baltas or galactica how the paper when they hand you the corners cut off

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like an octagon paper, but it's literally just they like cut the four corners off of the paper

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_08]: They must have like by the fourth season been like

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Where's that where's the cutting thing?

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There was one PA whose job was probably just

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Dad great job great news. I got an internship on my favorite TV show. That's our Galactica

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you do I sit in a basement all day and I cut the corners off of a printer paper

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Boy

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They freak out and then

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So I mean, I don't think he should be a ranger though. Yes

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like no he's first of okay, but the first thing he is faster than everyone else very fast

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_06]: He is like two times smaller than all of the other content

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like why he should still be a child. He's so small. Yeah, how old was he when this movie?

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_06]: 14 well he looks about 12 the whole time. I'm like he's he's a he's a 12 year old behaving like a 12 year old

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, born in 98. He's probably about 12 13 13 years. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, maybe 14. Yeah

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing is I mean we say that he doesn't have emotions in this film

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's all bottled emotion like you can tell this kid wants to it's high emotion

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's high rate. That's his name wants to express his emotions cannot which means he's probably not a good choice to be a ranger

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And like when the guy is

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Glamour Sharah plays the like general or whatever and he's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, you're you know, you're good

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_08]: You can run and stuff, but then you freak out in the field. So I'm not gonna promote you

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah seems very logical. Yeah good decision good decision

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a kid you can you can imagine the extra line of dialogue being I'm doing this for your own good

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you don't want to be a ranger, right?

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you shouldn't be a ranger B

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you don't want to be a ranger and you just and your dad wants you to be a ranger

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_08]: My dad's coming home it's really important and he's like, yeah

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like okay now I want to present a theory quickly. Call me crazy. I think Jaden Smith doesn't want to be in movies

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, like period just a period. Yeah, I think he did the first one

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like hey, do you want to be a movie? You play my son? Sure fine

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Why not does it he gets a lot of attention? He's a little boy, right?

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You're just your clay at that point your play dough. Oh, you want to do this alien movie? Sure

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Why not? Hey you like kung fu you practice kung fu you want to do kung fu with Jackie Chan sure

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Why not, you know, but like now the pressure is starting to get to yeah and now everyone goes

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jaden now their expectations you have to try to take over the legacy and have 20 consecutive number one blockbuster

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like hormones are kicking in. Yeah, he's a teenager

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You never want to do what anyone tells you to do when you're 13 and something when you're 13

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going we're gonna bank

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: 250 million dollars with advertising included and this promise of like video games and novels and comic books

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They hired like Peter David who's like a famous comic book writer to write a 300 page Bible of

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like all the like texture of the world

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: so that they could like delve into it and hand like

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: elements off to different writers to like write additional supplemental material and I think he's just like every night going back home and going like

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like any of it right. I mean we should in 2013. He sought emancipation

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah with the permission of his parents

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah in court at the age of like 15. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then also never made a movie ever again

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, and it's just like a teenager who wears like a white Batman suit and like tweets crazy

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Saxon stuff. He's cool

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like why would you want to be in a movie if that's what your life, you know

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, why would you want it? Why would you want a job?

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, you don't need to do a job if you don't if that's your life and he tweets he tweets in

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Like capitalizing every yeah, yes

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a fucking savant if you want to have a great time Google a Garfield Jaden Smith tweets. Oh, yeah

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's one of the things on the internet

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But someone just took Jaden Smith Smith tweets and place them onto Garfield strips and they're incredible

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_08]: also this movie's bad and everyone made fun of him for it he won a golden raspberry and

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He's bad you guys are making the face of like

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting what you guys are saying the movie about a kid who doesn't want to do something being told

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Like to do something like in the movie and out of the movie

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and and like I don't think Jaden's particularly great in it

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think especially he's bad bad. I think the capital B a I think the accent is a nightmare

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like that kid's not experienced enough and skilled and trained enough as an actor to be able to deal with that on top

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Of the emotions he's asked and he's also like not acting with anybody or anything like right?

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_06]: There's nothing is there with a huge problem

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Probably mostly like green screen. Yeah

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And then and lines being spoken to him off camera

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He barely interacts with another actor

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And as we've said the lines being spoken to her probably from Will Smith on set telling his son exactly what to do

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That is

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Doing the sick like we talked about the duality of like what's happening in real life is what's happening in the movie, right?

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he wants to please his dad playing a kid who wants to please his dad like that

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's you're right. There's some layers

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Additionally not just like he's playing off a nothing, you know that he's like in a green screen room sure

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But also he's playing off a nothing and mostly doing physical acting. Yeah, like he doesn't have much dialogue

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So like even doing that level of like action

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Acting is really fucking tough when they're just like take two jump

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Take two take three jump and you're just jumping and you have to like

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Track the emotions of where you were before that doing these little segments of pieces

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like they're putting them on the advanced ropes course

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is essentially also what this movie is about where the kid isn't trained to be a ranger and then is asked to do

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this crazy mission. Yeah, but you go like I am legend

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Which we all agree Will Smith is amazing in and you look at that and you're like, that's why this guy's a movie star

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Right the first whole half of the movie. He's dealing with no one

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_06]: He's talking a fucking man again, but if that were Will Smith's think about Will Smith's early career

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you'd be like no there's no way

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_06]: It would have been terrible. It would have been awful

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Horrible and it's just like they push the kid prematurely in this situation

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't deal with yeah, which is exactly what the movies about

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think now watching it like at the time

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of the backlash was like is Jayden gonna get pushed down our throats, right?

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is also weird that people were that against it because they also they had loved the karate kid so much a couple

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But suddenly the second this movie was advertised and Jayden is first build over well, right which everyone was like nope not

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's not the order we wanted. Yeah

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Big problem like people probably had going into this like oh Will Smith movie cool his legs are broken

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, he doesn't mean he want he doesn't leave the ship. He just talks over an intercom

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Smiling smile. Okay. Don't like this. Yeah, literally the last 30 seconds of the biggest square in

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: These plane just some herb he's playing all the things you hate about your dad. Yeah, totally. Yes playing bad dad

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's playing bad dad

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But like to put all those things on top of Jayden. I think Jayden's not good in a movie

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No, but I don't walk away from this going like he's a bad actor, right?

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like this was an awful task. Yeah, I agree with that. No for sure

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean like like I said, he's very natural presence in the other movies and like it's not like he

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_08]: The end of his like I think he could never do a good performance

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That scene that he has where he's

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Before he jumps when he's freaking out. Yeah, and like that's that's a good

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's also that's a good cathartic scene because it's like okay

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Finally someone in this movie is actually saying like how they feel yeah rather than just like no

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_08]: They poor clicks away

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you want to see him like break free of his dad's thing, right?

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think at the time people hate it so much because they were like

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm billion Jayden Smith movie

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Watching it now knowing that we're in a climate that like if probably no more

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if he's in a movie again, it's cuz he wants to be in right

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're not forcing that to happen anymore and watching it now and looking at it as a movie about the failed attempt

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_03]: To make Jayden Smith a movie star ending with the line of I think I want to work with mom instead

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like kind of makes it emotional in an unintentional way

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the movie ends up being a decent Jayden Smith biopic

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: With the uplift at the end that he like got out from his dad's shadow and just fucking flew on squirrel wings and did whatever

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He wanted presumably

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's just run down the plot because it will take three sentences right okay

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're at the point where where Sophia can I do says you should take him on a mission

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she says take him on a mission

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_08]: He he wants to be with his dad and you know he looks up to you blah blah blah

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So Cypher takes them on a mission they go on a spaceship spaceship hits an asteroid

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: There's an Ursa on the ship

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_08]: They're a bunch of guys an extremely dangerous

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like an Ursa in an Ursa like Ursa testing or whatever yeah Ursa yeah

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Dumb name yeah

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That's grunt though

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, oh, yeah

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Scrut though

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They just got this Ursa everyone's like hey. Hey you think you can go to nurse it

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's Rage's kid

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he like tries to touch it the Ursa freaks out Cypher age comes in

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_08]: The hidden asteroid yes field ship crashes everyone dies except for Will Smith whose legs are broken

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And and Kitai the kid he has to go to the other end of the like the other end of the ship landed

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_08]: A hundred kilometers away the tail of the plane the tail. He's got to go over there get a beacon yep

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Earth's really scary. It's evolved to kill us okay, so that moment where he goes

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess it just has some animals he says well. That's what's annoying about this

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that was gonna be a twist that it's like oh it turns out Earth actually isn't evolved to kill us

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And Earth's very nice. I was waiting for that too

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, because there are all these moments of like when you just see like nice

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You know very pretty age and you know birds, and it's like oh

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Might be another one of those half-ass like the happening M night like allegory things because it begins with like oh pollution

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And we left the earth because we ruined it and it's like oh look we left and now it's really nice again

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we were the problem. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's pretty lazy

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's that moment that was the crux of the trailer was they went like son the planet

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: We've landed on is unhabitable everything on this planet has evolved to kill human life

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the name of this planet? It's earth and then they go after it you go

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting idea for a movie yeah, we come back to Earth Earth has become like a danger zone

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then it just feels kind of like

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's like some monkeys as a tiger

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_06]: you know some birds like like the fact that he goes out of the

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He goes out of the ship for the first time and nothing immediately attacks. Yeah, that's like you're like okay

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Well breathe yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes to take the little

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but yeah, it's like we know he's not gonna be able to breathe

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_06]: That's one thing yeah, but then for it to not be like a vine immediately like

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Eating him from the second he steps off

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It should be governed by Audrey tips yeah, also not enough movies with Audrey to and then let's say that's true

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_06]: First thing that tries to get him or the first thing that scares him on the planet is a spider that

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Just crawls onto it like yeah, it's not even trying

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_06]: To

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's good and that's it like that's I mean and it's not even an evolved spider

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right just like just a normal spider, and then you get to the rest of the animals

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're all CGI, but they're all just like a little like big animals

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Like a little yeah well

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Then the other thing is that the earth supposedly freezes every night or whatever yeah

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but it's basically just seems like it just gets cold because the Sun goes down

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, it's not like like that's never a huge problem in this movie

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also like just the landscape itself just looks like oh, yeah, that's just it's just a jungle with more more vegetation

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like it's just a greener earth

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what the rainforest looks like like you want the moment where like when he steps off the ship. It's insane

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like oh my god. I can't fucking read

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_08]: He does end up in a volcano which is the other Scientology thing people got obsessed with because that's

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_08]: The cover of Dianetics

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Right like because he has to like climb a volcano yeah, that's a little hard

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Like also a bird rescues him at one point and just like puts him in with the baby after trying to eat him

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a bright one try to eat him first

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Because he kills the saber to

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_06]: all of her her chicks are dead which is sad

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_08]: You should never have come back

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Merchandise spotlight okay, we haven't done one for any of the M. Night film so you do not merchandise heavy film a

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Phantom menace last airbender must have had some toys

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's this here's my last airbender merchandise segment it all went to clearance now

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's my segment for after earth

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They were like releasing all these books and like trying to make all this stuff right and they announced that a toy company was

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Gonna make toys for after and everyone was like oh

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, cuz they'd only been like the teaser trailer at that point in the idea and they were like I bet there be some crazy

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Creatures in this movie yeah like toys of like the fucking what these monkeys gonna work

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_03]: This is these crazy creatures and then a toy for that year

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is the big convention where they reveal all the products for the year like the company had on display

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like here's our after earth line, and it was just one doll of

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Katai oh like you didn't even get a Will Smith. You didn't get the creatures

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The whole thing we don't fucking we don't care about Jaden no one wants a jade in action

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Kid it was just a sad looking boy body suit. It's not like he has a cool gun or yeah

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_06]: But the body suit was cool kind of cool like what did this toy?

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean could the toy do change color

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_06]: No, it was just one mother's heart rate does it become like you know one of those things

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the flaps

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like one of him does he have the the cutlass the cutlass yeah, but I think on extended

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think when it was just

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you can't press a button to make it well well

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So what happens is they show it they show it and everyone's like we don't want this and they're like oh okay

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Canceled and they just never released it

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But like everyone at the time was like why wouldn't you make toys of the creatures?

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they saw the movie they were like the creatures

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_08]: What all right so let's talk about the cutlass for a sec

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to talk about that gotta talk about that cuz it's the ghost weapon right and it's this like rod that like turns into

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Different spiky kind of thing it has the needles of like that thing

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the grid that you can put your hand on and make a print

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_08]: You know it can turn into various shapes

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what would be a really good weapon to kill those ursa's that like are really like big and scary gun gun

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_08]: You can check them yeah from afar

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Then you would need someone who like needs to suppress his fear to walk among the body just shoot them with a gun

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like David Blaine

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_08]: In this it's true. That's true. You don't see one so maybe we just decided to give up on guns. It's a fair point

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_08]: But you know maybe when we encountered the ursa's we should have been like let's revisit the gun

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe we didn't have guns just ursa guns

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe but the rest of this movie is just will trapped mm-hmm slowly dying right bleeding out

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Watching on a screen because there's a camera somewhere on Jaden's body, but the camera is like it's in the backpack

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but sometimes he's seeing over his shoulder. Yeah

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like yeah

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's literally like will behind the monitor watching the raw footage going like Jaden do this

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Do this like directing him off Jaden is not doing it. Yeah, like he's like chill out and she's like

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, take a knee or take a knee he won't take a knee yeah

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, definitely don't climb that cliff face or jump off of this waterfall climbs that fucking cliff face. He's jumps off that water

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing like I just I went through a lot of things

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think don't work in this movie

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I still kind of think despite it all this movie kind of work

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just that I have all these hard strings and there are these moments in the movie where they just pull on those

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And like the jumping off of the waterfall is one of them and then the part where like you just said he doesn't listen to

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Him the whole time right and then there's one time when he can't hear him at all

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I like this scene a lot saying all of the things that he wants him to do and he comes to those

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Conclusions on his own and it's like that's that's a nice two moments like

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Everything else aside. It's like whatever but those two moments are like oh, this is great

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: My anger the things that make me angry in this movie are only because I think this movie could have so easily been

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So much better. Yeah, you know where it's like, okay

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're gonna do if this is the idea of the film is the the son having to rescue the father

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Then maybe the way to do it is the one where it's the you know

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe I'm alive or I survived thing wherever where it's just simple. It's there on a mountain top

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The second you get into all the mythology the background

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You devote all this time that takes away from the emotional crux of it right and also you're making the characters now motionless robots

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah, or if you want to make the film that's like humans land on earth a thousand years after we left and it's crazy

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Now then that's not the storyline I think to link up to that, right?

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't make it just one kid wandering through there, you know, like I think it the two things are fighting with each other

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. I like both ideas

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Enough that there are moments where the movie works for me

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But I also am frustrated that I can't just see the two separate movies where each one is executed

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so their fullest I would even like this movie more if like Will Smith

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_06]: His leg was broken, but he went with him. Yes, like they went together

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They had like a floating stretcher like a hollow

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so that that put them in the same space where they could have FaceTime

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah a way to see each other and yeah, but look is the juice worth the squeeze?

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: No, but that moment where the microphone goes out and wills going

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he independently takes any and

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking will Smith's a great actor. Yeah, his reaction in that moment is like pretty beautiful

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like realizing that his son actually, you know has within him to be the man. I I don't disagree

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's my problem. Like I mean the whole movie is basically like he needs to conquer his fear

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He needs to be able to defeat this Ursa

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_08]: We know like that at the end of this movie is gonna run into that Ursa from the ship

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_08]: we know that's like the

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_08]: But they're like he's basically freaked out for three quarters of the movie and then he runs into the earth

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_08]: So he's freaked out then and then suddenly he's like, oh my god, he's got it. Yeah

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm ready, but that's it. So but this is in defense of the movie. Please go ahead. They they

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_06]: He tells him how he ghosted the first time sure at before this happens. That is true

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and and

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_06]: He's having all those he has that weird spiritual

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Dream where Zoe Kravitz is back and you know, and she is she's sort of guiding him from beyond and like

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Because all of those things have happened. I he believably ghosted the first time I saw it

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I don't

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_06]: This movie but but but this time around I was like no 100% he goes straight now like yes

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He and it takes it's not right away either. It's like it no

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He has to get some real shots in before he's able to finally ghost

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we talk about the Zoe Kravitz element? Because I think that that's the only element of the story

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: We haven't talked about yet. Yeah, so so they it

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Classic Shyamalan this part. Yeah, because every Shyamalan movie is about

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone focusing on their career more than their family and losing them in one way or another

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Divorce drifting apart or death, right?

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie is weird because it's told from the perspective of the family who's lost the dad in a way

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's like been drifted away from yeah, but all of them are about this and I even realized we didn't talk about this last week

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But it hit me like watching after earth last night

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Last airbender the fact that he rewrote it to make it the reason on left is because he wanted to have a family

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Someday right is very telling the seat and said that wasn't in the fucking cartoon

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just chasing a butterfly and then M night made it like if you can't have a family, right?

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you why live? Yeah, but let's never talk about the last airbender again

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: We we talked about the last airbender for maybe five minutes five minutes we couldn't

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen it? I have not seen it. It's like it's it's actually unwatchable and not it's not the worst movie

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I've ever seen yeah, but it's maybe the most pointless non-existent film. I've ever seen

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I remember I didn't watch the show regularly, but I remember the show being something that was fun

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and so like everyone's reaction to the movie. I was like I can't even try how could you yeah

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I'm going sidebar on a sidebar, but can I say M nights movies used to be funny

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, like six sense has a lot of jokes in it

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and like he's really good at building the tension and then cutting it science is like a laugh riot like science

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_08]: You like the village is funny village is funny. Here's the answer

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's not forget wide awake, I mean fucking I never want to lady in the water lady in the water tons of comedy

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, maybe to its detriment maybe that's when he pulls back right trips it way back and other movies have become

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Happening has Mark Wahlberg talking to a plastic plant right which is pretty funny, and they like duck under the

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But the talking plant thing comes so late in the film because like the other ones

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He sets up a good balance early on and the talking plant thing

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when you got to that scene we got to that scene

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like is he in on the joke or not

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he hasn't made a joke yet in this film last year Bender and after earth are so dour

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so humorless right I think there's one joke and last year Bender based on a property that is funny

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And like whimsical and charming you know for kids you know for kids baby back to back to this movie

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The the backstory is that Zoe Kravitz was his sister they were in their apartment

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Talking to dad via Skype

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Right blowing out birthday candles Skype, and then somehow an Ursa came into their apartment

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he walked in he bring the door yeah, they open the door. It was oh

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You hold on one minute

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They closed the door on the Ursa Zoe Kravitz is like okay. There's an Ursa here

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna die you jump inside the small terrain

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_06]: That we could probably both fit into right we really thought about it also

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a small terranium in our apartment

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So Jaden jumps inside little Jaden who the actor's name is also Jaden oh

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That's great. His name is like Jaden Hawkins or whatever I believe yeah

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Looks like Jaden did at that age yeah

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: You know for like the audience of like we know what Jaden

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, and you know obviously

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Cypher is not there to defend their and and Kravitz that takes the fall like she

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Dies protect and you see her getting impaled

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: We see it a few times keep showing me

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's that fantasy sequence where she's suddenly like skinless or wait first

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like you see like huge wounds on her face. Yes now. Here's a storytelling principle

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe in very very seriously. It's like the Andrew Stanton role for me, which is

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Finding Nemo opening scene of the movie here's Marlon. Here's his wife

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They have nice banter you engage them immediately they're well-written

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: They're well performed then the barracuda comes kills his wife throws all the babies Nemo

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Opening credits so from the time the movie starts you understand why Marlon so neurotic

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You understand the emotional weight of everything you carry that with you in every scene

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Years later Andrew Stanton makes John Carter John Carter starts

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And here's just a man and he's closed off emotions or whatever and they reference his family and you go

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I mean I know what fucking happened

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But they wait until an hour and a half into the movie to give you the flashbacks and they give you the little pieces

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like I know it don't think you're smart

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna twist me and I'm gonna know and then they reveal to you and you go right well

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew that but without seeing that scene without experiencing as an audience

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't feel for the character

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the whole first like hour and whatever the movies awash and this boy makes that fucking mistake where it's like

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The film should be Will Smith fucking battlefield ghosting yeah, right? Yeah, then he's on the ship and that's the news

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He you know he he Skypes with them right? Oh, yeah

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the birthday

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And then from the Skype we cut to in the apartment or he watches it on the Skype whatever it is maybe

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we go boom after earth start with Jaden Smith running the movie would be so much more emotional if we had

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That scene from the get-go because we know the entire time the first time they show you a glimpse of Zoe Kravitz

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and then there's a part where Sofia Canado says like, you know, he still hasn't gotten over it. It's like she died

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We know yeah, don't think you're pulling one over on us

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like when they when they do finally show it the thing that we really get out of it is the discussion way

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Later of like why couldn't you ghost or like when they yell at you know what I mean?

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But like but as far as the event itself

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_06]: There's no need to keep it a secret like that

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely not and like you see the other thing get out of his oh, wow

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: This is graphic and it was pretty terrifying it impales her if that was the opening scene the rest of the movie Jaden

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Says bottle you'd be like, okay. I get it. Yeah, he watched that happen

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not expressing a lot, but I understand I get the character

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Right

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And and I also think the device of that one scene where he comes to her when when when she comes to him when

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He's sleeping on the riverbed. Yeah, he's like little raft and she starts speaking to him

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like they should have fucking used this device more

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because this movie you need to have him talking to people

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, his sister's personable his sister actually is like yeah, like a little bit like fun

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's a pretty warm actress, you know

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Like but she like exerts a certain level of war is bottling everything up the whole time, right?

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So like half six moments in the film, yeah where he's freaked out and and Zoe Kravitz comes to him and like I mean it would

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Right cuz like the way the way they do it now is like we just see

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_06]: We just see his memory instead of like what would be cool as if like those memories were like there was just more

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a more back-and-forth. There was like more there was a scene instead of a yeah, right

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So right we see the little pieces of all the same moment

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is you're gonna do flashbacks show it's different moments of their relationship

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Show us her fucking getting killed at the very beginning and then either do flashbacks to different moments that solidifies their relationship

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: How much of a loss this was for him also gives us some fucking like emotional connection?

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Or have her appear as like a figment of his imagination a bunch so that he has an actor in the same frame to play

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Off of you know, yeah, but it's still kind of

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Like the like the Ursa we don't even really have to deal with until the end like he's dealing with

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he already has the thing

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Get going it's

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Casting already and then the Ursa fighting is like an afterthought. Yeah, yeah until then it's monkeys tarantula and

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: a leech

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Fucks the whole thing

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_08]: That's like almost the end of the whole thing

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That scene too where he's got to administer the shots that seems it has some genuine tension

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's it's cool

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_08]: It I agree just because there's a ticking clock and will Smith is sort of barking orders like roll over on it

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, yeah, it's good scene this scene. This movie is more

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Put together than like the last four someone movie and it has more tension and the CGI is not quite as bad

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Although it's kind of flat like it's not bad, but it's not great

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Should look crazier

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: To it feels like they went too realistic with it. They were like well in a thousand years it only be this much change

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Why set it on earth a thousand years after we left if it's not gonna be horrible, you're right

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the first thing should be the sky should be red

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the skies red that is fine

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Chokes it like that's like that should have been the immediate first thing that welcome to after

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I know they like the idea of

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_08]: You know this being a two-hander and it's just willing Jayden what if there were like three other people

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I also get picked off one by yeah, and then Jayden's the only survivor. Yeah, and will Smith, you know

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Cypher finally has to be like

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. All right, you know, like rather than like from the get-go. He's just like okay legs are broken

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You got to go three other Rangers

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're gonna make a movie centered around a 14 year old kid get four 14 year old kids

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So none of those 14 years have the entire movie like resting on their shoulder for every fucking shot

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_08]: They wanted to go in yeah with this I really think they were like that's how we sell this movie is it's like

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_08]: This is this really intense two actor movie and it's a passing of the torch

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he bet incorrectly that audiences wanted to see that. Yeah, can I tell you guys an idea?

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I have to fix the movie. Yes. Okay, Ben has great idea

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben should be Hollywood should pay him a million a year. Hey guys, come on email me

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to punch up those scripts. Okay, Ben here your punch-ups for after earth

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I feel like the main distraction for me is Jaden is he's a he's playing a

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Character in a time of your life. That is you're the most annoying person ever agree. Yeah, right

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He's right at that sweet spot 14. Oh, the horse so whiny. He's so just annoying. It's just I

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Couldn't I was so distracted by that the entire time

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So my feeling is to just make it so that it could maybe have some humor and just be kind of like

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know more interesting is why don't you make him like future emo or future God?

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, you know, yeah, okay. I see why this kid is such a brat and annoying

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You're saying lean into it and so like I know but come and say make it like he's really in a bad

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: May have the Jaden that we know now right make them wearing a control panel confessional t-shirt

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Control panel confessional

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So, I don't know I feel like that would be a lot more interesting that's your suggestion. Yeah

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Look hey make him go

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll sell make them goth shirts in our store which we have established yet that would have made it more interesting to me

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_08]: You know if he was rebellious rather than just I want to make so dad happy

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because like his big his best moment as you said is when he's being the most rebellious

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah is when he's freaking out and saying like you weren't there. That's why she died

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But it like but it but it connects that that energy to something whereas like before he just feels like a kid who is

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Scared, you know and who is too scared

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: But like like if we had some semblance of like why he is that scared like he's seen these things in action

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, then that you know

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That would tie it all up the end of movie he fucking ghost gets the beacon he kills the Ursa

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, and then like the movies like wrap it up because like all M that movies

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_08]: This is a 90 minute movie basically

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean it runs a hundred but there's again the credits are like eight minutes of it all his movies are 90 minutes

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: long he makes short movies last day of Brenda which had a lot of mythology and has large sections not just in the

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: beginning but where there's just like

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Narration and then they gloss over four scenes that feel like they were shot in their entirety

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like part of me wonders if they did shoot the whole opening action sequence. Yeah, but I feel like he then just gets in the room

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like it's got to be 90 no matter what like he's look if it's never longer it'd be worse

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a boring movie like longer not better redistribution of time. Yeah, no sure

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I think it depends on in what way is it long?

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_08]: You know I mean like you guys are saying right there's that whole action sequence at the beginning

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and yeah, we need that that'll make the rest of them

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We feel shorter right if you put that one thing in there in the beginning

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing is like this movie could be like

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Assuming they did shoot more of that sequence

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this entire movie could be made 25% better if you just took it in the final cut and like

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Reassembled it a little bit and also like if he would have had another moment to ghost like if there was more than one

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Ursa yeah, where he tried and failed. Yeah. Yeah, that would be dope that'd be cool. That would be cool

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a lot of ideas guys. Yeah, it's good

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Mean still kind of good. I mean I will say like the movie started and I was like, I can't I don't I don't

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know then them and then the more it went on them. I was like, okay

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_06]: They're pulling at my heartstrings. They're pulling out of so early in the movie

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: they do this thing where like a guy comes up and he's got one leg and he's in a floating space chair and

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes like Cypher Rage. I want to thank you

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes like sir stay me up and they go sir

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Because stay me up and they stand him up and he salutes right it's a decency the end of the movie they get in

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The rescue ship they come in they get cypher and cut I your broken legs. I've broken legs. He stands on two broken legs

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a he's on he's on this bed

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Katai comes in we haven't talked about this ever and night always has one

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: poorly placed

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Horribly executed slow motion. Yes every single movie wait, which one was the one?

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: When he sees his dad on the bed it like goes into slow motion

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And some people are walking fast and other things are slow

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But he always does it in a way that looks like it's when the kid gets shot in the head and mark

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like in Lady in the Water. It's one of the scrunt moments with story. It's true

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're he doesn't in every single and unbreakable. It's the moment when he comes up behind the man in orange

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right. Yeah, but every single time it feels like he didn't shoot it as slow motion

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Like in post was like can we just slow it down?

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because there's a difference between if you like shoot more frames and it's like you get a nice fluid

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Slow motion like Wes Anderson like a nice fluid slow motion

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And this just feels like very herky-jerky and he's done it in like nine of his 11 movies

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That moment plays he sees his dad. His dad sees him. He goes stand me up

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They stand up it mirrors the salute thing and then he he isn't fucking salute

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Comes in for a hug and they cry together and he goes dad

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I want to work with mom instead and they laugh and that's the very end of the movie literally

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm written and directed and produced by him or whatever, you know, like it cuts to the end

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie does horribly at the box

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, let's talk about I love talking about box office. It means 60 mil domestic. Oh my god

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we should have open to six movies open

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So here we go a kid open to 50 Griff. Let's see how you do. Okay, so I was trying to name the top

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_08]: May 31st

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_08]: 2013 it opened number three at the box office. Okay, I have to put myself in a time and a place

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I was in the number one movie is in its second week. Okay, I think I can get this

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I was in I was in Cleveland when this movie came out shooting draft day

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I was there for five weeks and I didn't have any friends

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I went to go see movies a lot by myself sure at the mall in Cleveland

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Timothy Simons, yeah, we became friends later. Yeah, but he also he has kids so he'd often go home on the weekend

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right, right. Yeah, you fly back to his children. Yeah, so on the weekends I would I didn't have a car I didn't drive

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Our hotel was in the middle of nowhere. I remember when I went to see after earth

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It was right after or not right after but it was shortly around after the time of

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: What should we call it? The the shootings in the Dark Knight Rises theater

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I like have a backpack on me at all times

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I took an hour and a half bus because that was the closest place playing after earth and I wanted to go see

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Our and a half bus yeah, Cleveland aware from I don't know

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I was outside of Cleveland that was thing I was outside to go like into Cleveland or whatever it was and I get to

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: This like strip mall in the middle of nowhere where after earth is playing and they're like sir

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: We can't let you in the theater. You have a backpack

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you leave it in your car? And I was like I just took an hour and a half

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So did you not see it? They ended up locking my backpack and like the party

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So the movie theater or something they just open it and like look and see this

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I came all this way see after earth like can't you have some empathy for me? You know, this isn't gonna end well

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But okay, so I saw a lot of movies

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: By myself, I think number number one number one. I I need to think about number one a little more

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I believe now you see me was in the top number two. That's

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: After number one, so it's May 31st

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Has hangover 3 come out hangover 3 is number 6 Wow, so drop that quickly. Yeah in its second weekend. It's number 6

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_08]: That's right. Well

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Hangover 3 Avengers is still number one, right? No Avengers is 2013. Oh, this is 2013 2013

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me I'll put it to you this way. Yeah, you like this movie

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I like this movie a lot and this was like the first big May release. Oh Iron Man 3. Nope

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, but did I meant to come out that year?

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe oh, yeah, I'm in threes number seven. Okay fuck

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Enough for five weeks. I like this movie a lot is a Pixar movie. No

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a kids movie. No, I like it a lot. Oh, yeah

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I've mentioned a lot to you probably give me one more hand. It's a sequel

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck I was already assuming that it's the sixth sequel

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Six are you kidding me?

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Dummy I am of course, that's what it was in its second week. It's already made 170 mil

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_08]: So Fast and Furious 6 now you see me after Earth is number 3 open to 27 million dollars

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Iron Man is 7 hangover is 6

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I throw one out? You're gonna be impressed that I pulled epic is number 4. I thought you'd get that

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I was gonna get that one. Yeah, who remembers that? I remember animated movie

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that it was the one movie. I didn't see yeah

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Number 4 is a Star Trek into darkness. Oh, yeah, I forgot that movie exist

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you've also got great Gatsby in there. You've got a believe a Bollywood movie number 9. Yeah

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, Joanne. Hi, DeWani. I mean, I'm probably getting that wrong and number 10 mud

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a crazy top weird top 10 weird Francis Hawes number 12

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like a kind of a weird like mix of indies and big blockbusters crappy sequels

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_08]: After it was a simpler time two three years ago

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so it ends up with 60 mil which is like terrible

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Awful show does 180 overseas which is also bad for Will Smith it clears 240 mil worldwide

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is about probably what they spent making. Yeah, I have movie

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think with like DVD and whatever factor and I think they probably it was like net-neutral

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He has only not a good result the only movies he's made that did worse or Ali focus Made in America

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't even yeah concussion Bagger Vance drama. Yeah, but like Made in America

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not even right. Yeah, I mean, I'm yeah

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He never made a blockbuster that performed this poorly

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Ali is probably the only one you could argue is close to them cost a lot of money

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but he has said that this is the biggest disappointment of his career

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing and I feel so bad for M night because I as much as he fucks it up over and over again

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Every movie he makes like the happening Walbert comes out of that and he's like that was a mistake

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I shouldn't have made

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Last airbender and like the people who made the last day vendor like basically like we won't acknowledge that movie even exists

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: After will Smith is like I ruined my son's career. I made a huge mistake

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It's not like Wild Wild West where like there were a lot of other voices that kind of fucked that movie up

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: This was Will Smith's movie

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He had always said while at West was like his biggest regret in life

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And they said this replaced it cuz I dragged my son into it with me. Yeah, I made it personal

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I might didn't do a terrible job with this movie. I think there's some good sequences

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like if that IMDb trivia fact is true and like I believe it is whether or not he was literally like the

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Visual standpoint he did fine

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the sequences are fairly well put together if will himself Billy had that much power over

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The story, you know and like the world-building those are most of our gripes

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure well was like I think it's good if they have no emotion like for whatever reason right he studied that that doesn't seem

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like an M night decision. I think it was a bad pairing to bring him in there because M night was in this very stoic mode

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Already at that time he's not her like he needs to do his own stuff

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, as much as he's out of his mind at this point like he needs to do his own stuff

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't make him do someone else's script

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But somehow this movie that was supposed to be like we're just gonna give you it's a gimme and you'll get back

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: On your feet knocks him down even further his name was not in the poster

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't put him in the advertising that much

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And it really was kind of like the last like big strike for him in a way until he had to rebuild himself

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_08]: The next movie. Yeah, I wonder if he you know he made he made a choice with the next movie

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_08]: I wonder if like he had been like okay

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Let me try and get another big blockbuster if he would have been able to do it

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know oh I guarantee we tried you think so they there was a drama. He was supposed to make with

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Bruce Willis

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the one we were talking about no, but there was another one that was a solo Bruce Willis

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It was him going on a spiritual journey. It wasn't the one with Bradley Cooper

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a movie that was like yeah, it sounded really why would anybody like yeah?

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_08]: The thing about a director like M. Night is like if you can get a star to be in a movie

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Then you get to make the movie like then that's like how a lot of directors who are sort of big names work

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_08]: You know it doesn't matter like sound the Wachowskis work

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_08]: They can get big names and then the studio is like alright fine like you got you got the actors like we'll do

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So maybe he could have gotten Bruce Willis or whatever

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Bruce was at that point. I don't make a lot of crap big enough to yeah, he was making so much bullshit

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Will Smith after this

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he had always been very strategic in his career

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like I do summer movies

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he analyzed like story structure

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and it was like a hero always needs to be this and do this there were a lot of big films he

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Turned down because he'd be like I didn't think the story worked on this level right which by his standards was like a very

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Set like he had a very specific idea of how a hero has to function

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why they were always he was sort of the Savior

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He was the last one or he had to sacrifice himself or whatever it was and then after this movie

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Sort of the rules go out the window for him. Yeah, you know like he makes this and then he source that it was

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: A big breakthrough moment for him his father died shortly afterwards

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said interviews that like he had this moment where his father died

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like I've been trying to become like the perfect movie star

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I realize it doesn't fucking matter when my dad's gonna die no matter why right and I brought my son into this and he

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Sort of threw out the rule book and like focus is a

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: February release yeah of like yeah pretty small

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_08]: It feels like an 80s Hollywood movie. Yeah, just like a famous guy

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, some sexy fun right like yeah

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And like focus is kind of revolutionary for how small it is like I mean a how small it makes the biracial like romance

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's so offhand

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_08]: May December romance thing like 20 years older than Margot Robbie

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that. It's like such a small like contained little thing

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like here's just like a Will Smith. Here's a spring movie

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's like a winter Will Smith and then concussion was like a drama, but they didn't you know

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, concussion was more of an obvious Oscar play that just didn't work

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you can see another year where that would have worked

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Just a little bit, but I mean he hired the worst director for it. Yes. I do think he's excellent in that movie

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that movie is just

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: His accent in concussion is better than his accent and after no question because it's based off a real accent that even

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: That accent though is not like he doesn't actually sound like the guy

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_08]: You are correct and then suicide Will Smith's 47 Margot Robbie's 25 just great. That's a good balance

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I get the Will Smith's like, you know

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_08]: We'd all hit it

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Like Will Smith is pretty close to being the age Barack Obama was when he was elected president

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and like that's like Obama keeps saying like he's got the ears. He should play me

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, will wants to play that's gonna happen

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But suicide squad looks like something he never would have signed on to do five years

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, absolutely. I think he would have been too image conscious to play like a villain

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Not only is is he in that movie because they are not marketing it on the back

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Offensive to me that they're not doing that

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: See I think it's kind of cool like as much as I want it to be a Will Smith movie

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I want it to be a Will Smith movie

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes me feel good for Will as a person right?

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Ready to just be in an ensemble. Yeah and like crush it and I guarantee he's like the lead in that movie

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well Chad right is of one of the focal points. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's him and Harley Quinn are like

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they also like I mean, it's wait. It's a lobby again. I just put that together

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Are there buddies or something? I think so. I hope they can make a movie

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean you just sort of win when you're hot you're hot

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, click it and I think they're good together. I think it's suicide squads. I'm not excited for it

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it'll be good. I do think it could be better than Batman V Superman colon

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Don of there is almost no chance that I like Batman versus Superman more than

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: head squad

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I got I'm so like I tweeted the other day

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you saw this was probably at 3 o'clock in the morning knowing me, but I tweeted

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: American crime story colon Batman V Superman

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I tweeted

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: People vo J Simpson colon Don of Justice

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like both titles are better now

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Title it's the worst title the number one worst title I've ever heard

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was breaking this down there that a the V thing is so pretentious, right? We talked about it on this

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman versus Superman. Yeah, here's the other thing the subtitle you imagine that someone's in the theater and the title comes up

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Batman V Superman they go. Eh pass then fade in don't justice. Oh shit

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This is

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Second now you got me if justice is gonna die

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm all about open and get my bandana right now James. Let's clarify justice isn't happening. It's just dawning

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Once you just kind of start like kind of rise a little bit. I like a prelude to justice

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Worst title of all time after I give it be mine

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a C- okay, I think I'll hover you'd be in the middle. Yeah, maybe I'll do like a

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah, maybe I'll do like a

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: be

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I'll do a beat just like a solid beat. Oh, okay. So you're in the gentleman's be yeah

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Two and a half stars, you know, but it's like fun whatever it's fine. It's like not a lot of fun to watch

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't ever want to watch this movie. No, you know, I'm glad I took three years to watch it again

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Might watch it again is the thing because I so I want to not like it

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But but after the first 25 to 30 minutes or so, I'm on board. Yeah

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't help that I have watched too many M night movies in this

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like if I had come across this on cable, maybe the mood would have been a little different

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I used to be a huge in my fan like a

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He was my guy

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: My shit

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And break was one of my favorite movies ever and then I think I first started to be like, I don't know with the village

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And then late in water. I bought I like didn't go see it in the theater

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I just bought the DVD line bought it and I was like, yeah, let me see. Let me see this

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I love Paul G. Amati. I love Bryce Dallas Howard. This is great

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But the M night show on and then that was just not good at all

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, and then I then the happening was when I stopped I just stopped going

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: They're definitely like it has there's a point in every week now for me where I'm like

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm very excited that we are now done with it feels like tax day is when I finish

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Gotta fucking do that thing. Oh my god when I finished the visit which I have finished

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I really there was a palpable sense of relief especially since I love all of the movies of our next director

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're doing the Wachowskis next. Oh great, which is like we we like those

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Those movies are like controversial but like we like

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited. Yeah

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, James, thank you so much for being on the show. Thanks for having me James

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a pleasure. Yeah best in the biz anything you want to plug

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Black man can't jump in Hollywood. It's a great podcast. I'm best find us on speaker itunes

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm at James third comedy on Twitter and also any social media platform

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you're doing lots of so your stand-up you're on a sketch team here at the UCB. You're around

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm around. Yeah, look me at yeah

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_08]: David anything you want anything I want to plug. Yeah, I

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Interviewed Gerard Carmichael

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Fun that's really cool. That'll go up on the Atlantic at some point. You're literally asking me something to plug

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the last thing I did. It was a great interview. Yeah, it seems like it would be interviews usually I

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you know they can just be so awful like or the guy can just obviously be so busy

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and or like is being like handed a phone or you're getting to it and they're just like

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so, you know like they sort of click into that Nick no Gerard Carmichael just wants to talk about shit

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and that's why he makes that awesome show. That's just

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm watch the Carmichael show on NBC Sunday nights

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I like six maybe seven years ago was in LA and did like my friend stand-up show and he was on the bill

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: as well

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were like backstage and he he went up first and came out afterwards and like

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm like I haven't been that funny recently and he's like, but I feel like

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like really funny these days

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like like I'm just like I feel like I'm being I'm doing a really good job of like

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: watching other funny people like I'm like

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Only shows and just watching other people be funny and I'm like, you know

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to stop doing comedy cuz I get to watch all these other people be funny and I was like

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the most endearing thing I've ever heard a stand-up say

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was Christmas morning and he was like, I'm sorry I have to leave cuz it's like

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You guys are really funny. Like I just want to watch other funny people

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I was like this guy's the fucking best. He's like he's like the purest human being

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a lot of praise for Gerard Carmichael

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I've seen all of the first season. So second season I would say I mean

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just very consistent

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe even a little better. I also asked him a lot about Mike Scully who works on that show

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he said Mike Scully is the coolest

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Good plug

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Follow James on Twitter

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: David all sims until we never plug our Twitter. Oh, yeah, I'm Griff lightning. I'm also great in review. Listen to other UCB podcasts

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I'm Griff lightning on the Star Wars card trader app a listener recently traded me a good TC 14 card

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that very cool. Very cool

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. I'm getting so punchy right now

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to record a second episode today our next episode the village the village the visit the visit village

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The final night Sean line movie. We're gonna do a bonus episode with the buried secret and some other

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll see if we do that I want to move on but whatever I want to one more to wrap stuff up

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We might like do that later god knows when we'll do that our next episode is the visit with gas Lewis Pipe's

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Buzzfeed

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Will be recording that in half an hour, but you folks will listen to it

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And love you all

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: As always and as always just keep ghost keep ghosting

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