Aquaman

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:21] My parents were of two different worlds and I was a product of the love that they shared A son of POD and a son of the cast That's right! Yeah, why don't you quote Jules Verne like this movie does Jules Verne once said

[00:00:36] Jules Verne once said, the ocean master needs four of the seven ocean kingdoms Jules Verne once said, you haven't lived until you fucked a fish Hello my name is Griffin Newman Hello my name is David Sims

[00:00:49] This is Blank Check with Griffin and David, it's a podcast about filmography Directors who have massive success early on in their career and are able to unite the land in the sea Exactly, right. That's what James Wan has done, he's united the land in the sea

[00:01:02] He's united the land in the sea, but also we've been doing this weird stealth piecemeal many series Where we cover every DC universe film And are we only missing Man of Steel in that regard? We've done every other one, right?

[00:01:15] Correct and I'll get to that in one second Oh, okay Winky winky But yes, that is correct and we've been covering these And part of it is that we were kind of fascinated by how ramshackle this sort of franchise building seemed to be

[00:01:32] How much Warner Brothers was putting into it A blank check had been written Right and it was one director kind of kick starting this whole thing But there seemed to be a lack of like cohesive vision for how this whole thing was going to be built out Fair

[00:01:46] And now they've started to become a little more individualistic I mean like Suicide Squad is very much a David Ayer movie, but it's a super compromised David Ayer movie That one's more compromised, but Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the other one That's it I guess

[00:02:01] Yeah these are the two, but it's like this is starting to be like I guess is this maybe where the thing is going? It certainly seems that anytime there's less interference and pressure on the director The better you're doing

[00:02:13] I mean here's something that I don't think anyone can dispute about this film It is pure This is not a movie that was meddled with Yeah, right?

[00:02:24] That might sound backhanded I don't mean it that way, but even if you were like this movie gave me a fucking headache Sure You can't be like Studio Hacker-y Like this movie is insanity So today of course we're talking about Aquaman Aquaman He doesn't say it, does he?

[00:02:41] Yeah, so that's just a Justice League thing Yes That they were like someone was like I don't know, you need to catch phrase

[00:02:48] And when Ben and I were going up the escalator producer Ben Pratt, Grubin, Ben Deuster, Poe, Lory, Attha Haas, Piper, Finest, Fump, Critic, Personal Friend of Dan Lewis, Dirtbike Benny Smoking wet, soaking wet Benny, hot Benny Right

[00:03:03] All detective, meat lover, the graduates are certain tells are of the course of different miniseries such as Kylo Benpruse or Ben Kenobi, Ben Aichamwon, Ben Sey, Ayo Benz with the dollar sign Warhawz, Pradoor Bane, Ben 19, The Fennellmaker, Rubo Haas, fucking Benglish

[00:03:22] Mr. Ben Craddable, Edrink Ben-Hosley and The Hoslodei, Jesus Christ Okay Wow We were going up the escalator and Ben said how many times do you think they say it in the movie? My man

[00:03:34] And my prediction was even if they don't say it with that sort of like fucking victory lap I think he will refer to people as my man a bunch because that was the one thing that worked in Justice League

[00:03:46] So they're gonna have to be like Juan you can do whatever you want just give us four my man's So I thought he was just gonna go like Ocean Master, my man listen Sure

[00:03:54] You know I thought he was just gonna work it in the conversation he doesn't say it once It's good None of the stuff from the Justice League is in this

[00:04:04] There was a point in the movie and we'll get to it what I thought is this movie pretending that Justice League didn't happen But like Amber Heard was in Justice League Right

[00:04:14] It takes a while for them to acknowledge they've met before and when she first comes up to land I was like are they pretending this is the first time they met are they actually trying to just like Completely ignore The fact that these same actors did

[00:04:27] There's not much because here's what Justice League gave us on Aquaman He's my man He's my man he has a five point to Trident which is nothing He lives in Iceland or something it's like right some From the docks he drinks a lot He drinks a lot

[00:04:41] He's wet He's wet soaking wet And he rescues the fisherman from fishing problems and apart from that like that's it Right and Meric camps a land for one scene brings him into the water They have a conversation I have no memory of what they talk about

[00:04:59] I remember the scene I remember it being bad Yeah it's very bad but it's also like they cast the air bubbles so they can converse Right they have an air bubble conversation and it's inside like a sunken ruins

[00:05:08] Like they're inside like a weird sunken coliseum but there aren't other characters there No there aren't I think I just vaguely remember I think that the tone of it was sort of like You gotta come back to the sea and he's like no It felt like That's it

[00:05:20] I'm like I'm a modern man too like Nick Fury coming in and interrupting the movie shit Like it felt like them being like we gotta set up this awkward Even clumsier Even clumsier And it's just like what the fuck is happening here

[00:05:31] And this movie literally disregards everything other than the fact that that happened Right Yeah Like James Wan didn't hold on to any design elements He said fuck the air bubble conversation thing All of it I said to Ben I mean

[00:05:45] I can't believe like that they just let him go like fuck everything They got rid of the air bubble stuff in Justice League And Ben's response was I don't know what you're talking about I've never seen Justice League Right and Ben had seen Justice League

[00:05:57] And I said Ben you saw an opening day with me and we did a two hour episode on it And you were like are you sure I mean remember when we were like oh my god Our Justice League episode is gonna be so funny

[00:06:09] And then we saw the movie and the whole episode is just being like Yeah I mean it's boring and shitty It's better and worse than Batman vs Superman Exactly where we were like it's not even fun Like it's just a bland like Well there's Cyborg

[00:06:23] Cyborg is a cool guy See Ben you remembered that you like Cyborg I remember Cyborg Yeah Before we Alright So we're here to talk Aquaman Yes but before we dive into the trenches Oh dive in I get it Before we meet the Brian King What a cool guy

[00:06:40] We do stand a legend We do stand a legend with the Brian King Right Yeah okay thank you We should talk about The new show I don't understand The blank check Patreon Oh you mean a blank check special features A official announcement of the new title That's right

[00:07:03] So people for years have asked us Is there a way to give us money And I said no we don't want your money Screamed out in pain and agony Blood ran from his eyes I said we don't do this for the money And David yelled at the gods

[00:07:18] Please shower me in coins Do love coins And then people said like you should do a Patreon thing We never we always said like we won't do it Until we figure out what the thing would be Because we don't want to just charge people

[00:07:29] For the same show we're doing here 100% We wanted its own thing Well right because like I feel like so much of this show Is that we fit ourselves into very complicated arrangements Correct Like we like this to flagelate We like to like put ourselves through a filmography

[00:07:45] Right and we didn't want to just be like Oh certain filmographies happen just under a paywall Yeah right or just like do episodes on movies Right We can't make it easy on ourselves So we finally came up with a very complicated Set of rules One is

[00:08:02] Rules that we also can break at any time if we want Yeah who cares It's not it's not collusion even if it was collusion Collusion is not a crime That is a good defense to be clear It's pretty good it's a double backseat right It's like

[00:08:14] It's fun how literally nothing matters anymore But it's just like I watched that thing where Chris Wallace of Fox News I mean he's some more serious journals than most of Fox News But like where he's just like No no no Shush shush I have a question for you

[00:08:29] Did the president break the law? Rudy Giuliani's like Didn't break the law didn't know what happened If he did break the law it's not breaking the law Rudy Giuliani treats the law the way James Wan treats the Mara scene from Justice League

[00:08:41] I will use whatever elements of it I want and ignore the rest Holy shit we're winning the Pulitzer prize for a political commentary for this episode I mean that was kind of like a half court Yeah Shot right was it not Yeah curse wish

[00:08:59] I just I got buckets like Candice Burr again I got buckets Okay so we came up with an idea we said two things One our podcast is about filmographies about directors We don't want to muddy the waters if we do a second show right

[00:09:14] So we said what about franchises people ask us about franchises a lot And they'd ask us would you ever do a mini series on this and there are a ton of them we like And most franchises don't have one clear authorial voice

[00:09:25] Maybe we cover one or two films within a It's the problem we got lots to say but they're never really gonna fit You know maybe you've got your occasional like Alfonso Coran made a Harry Potter But that's the one It's like once in a while

[00:09:38] Or you get like Cameron makes two terminators but then there are three other terminators Yes there are Winky winky I mean not that That's no specific we're just saying we're naming things They're franchises They're franchises so that was that was piece one

[00:09:50] And piece two was people still for some fucking reason listen to our Star Wars commentary episodes They do like that yes they'll tweet fat gungan in us Yes we'll still get that so we said what if we combine those two things

[00:10:02] And the format was we'll talk about franchises Yeah We'll run them completely Yes we have again we have to flagelate Right we're gonna commit ourselves to doing the whole thing We said this is a different format it's a different subject make it a different show

[00:10:18] Now they're long episodes not much longer or shorter than a regular episode Some of us like are the episodes gonna be long and I was like well they're like two to two and a half hours depending on the movie length

[00:10:28] But the other episodes might be more regular like they were like so like two to two and a half Right right exactly So we're like playing this out and all this and we're like okay there's big time commitment because we gotta watch these movies together

[00:10:41] But like only giving two a month feels a little like anemic how do we like give them a little something more for your five bucks Right so then we're gonna throw in a bonus every month Now what can this bonus contain for the start

[00:10:53] You're gonna get the recording of our live Q&A with Academy Award nominee James Shameless That's right From the Hulk screening Yeah We do any other live shows which we hopefully will continue doing They'll go there They're gonna go there

[00:11:06] What are other things that are gonna go there Things that people suggest to us where they're like oh you're gonna cover what men want The what women want remake right It's not even a remake it's sort of a I don't know what do you call it

[00:11:17] What if Mel Gibson comes in the middle of the movie and is like Taraji I've lived through what you've lived through let me help you God I hope that doesn't happen Build a universe Your time wasn't wasted with that Build a universe

[00:11:31] No exactly I mean it's a classic scenario where people on Twitter will be like I mean you guys have to cover Emergency app And it's like there are only so many hours of the day

[00:11:41] There's only so much time but with this if you're you know you're giving us money we want to give you value for that money So yes what men want What men want Because even like the Burton miniseries is gonna be our longest one to date It's too long

[00:11:53] And already Dumbo is coming out like three weeks after the movie comes out Because we have things like this and we have things like split We got stuff we gotta put in there

[00:12:01] Other commitments right we don't want to like chop up the feed so we're gonna make things a little cleaner on the main podcast And bonuses will sort of fall into that category What are other things I'd like to do with bonuses

[00:12:11] I would like to fill in the couple blanks we have such as Man of Steel The two early George Lucas films Things like that there are a couple little spots maybe doing black book the Verhoeven film Sure You know There are things like that Talk about poop

[00:12:26] Look that's a zone where if you're tweeting us you're on Reddit You want to suggest a thing That's where it would go Right we can play around with this thing and We're not very locked into it

[00:12:35] Exactly it's a little more fun but we will have franchise commentary episodes twice a month Right And they we've been recording them Yeah we got a bunch banked up We have a lot of fun doing them we record them three in a row on my couch

[00:12:48] We get loopy And it's really loopy I'm trying to say this is a selling point they're silly When people like say like I missed the Star Wars days this is like we're a little loopier We're driving ourselves a little crazier we're going into like franchise marginalia

[00:13:03] It's like that kind of thing It's a little bit of a throwback to that sort of earlier The day of the show We're doing the Marvel Cinematic Universe that's where we're starting Yeah yeah yeah We're knocking down the 20 the first 10 years

[00:13:17] Oh that first that first session with Hulk and Iron Man 2 Ooh baby Rough Rough Rough and we're not talking about Mark because he hadn't entered in yet it was still Nort Yeah they were very Nort It was a very Nort time in our lives

[00:13:31] Ben's there too and he's talking about all kinds of bullshit Good stuff Yeah Barry Jeans You know how Ben's a total pro on this podcast? Yeah He's on the Patreon He's looking around He's looking around Hang out

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[00:14:00] It's one multiple tiers We're not doing multiple tiers If you go to a really douchey coffee place Right and we're giving you we're giving you at the bare minimum five hours of extra content 100% It will likely be way over that Right

[00:14:13] It will be the first of the month you will get a franchise episode That's right The 11th of the month Yes You will get a bonus episode Above the bonus Something else And then the 21st 10 days later You will then receive another franchise episode So it's the ones

[00:14:29] Right 11, 21 11, 21 Three weeks doesn't divide evenly into a month So yeah And just refer to the show notes like the episode descriptions to see kind of what is coming up in the future And we'll also relay that information on social media Yes

[00:14:46] Yeah and we'll put it on the feed of the you know the Patreon feed and stuff But just to give you an idea But it is literally just patreon.com.bac.clash.blankcheck and they can find it That's right man Patreon.com.shblankcheck

[00:14:56] It will launch on January 1st New Years Day You will get your Ironman commentary So if you want to get signed up now Here's a few things I want to make clear Right exactly The first episode will go down because people have been asking procedural questions Yes

[00:15:08] First episode will launch on January 1st That is also when you will be charged You won't be charged if you sign up in December You get charged the first of the month You're making a commitment You get charged on the first of every month

[00:15:17] Five whole dollars or more If you are one of those maniacs who just wants to pledge more David's a money monster I do love money So and then January's episode will be Ironman Mm-hmm John Pevereaux Ironman Uh-huh So we're going to do the James Shamus interview

[00:15:34] And then we'll probably tack on like a mail bag Yeah, Q&A was a little short So I think we're going to link it up with another mail bag app And to be clear, the Q&A was only short because Hulk is very long That's the reason why

[00:15:44] Because Shamus clearly could have talked for 100 hours And there's a lot of density within the Q&A Yes It's like a 30 minute Q&A but he gets a lot in there He does And then on the 21st you'll have The Incredible Hulk by Louis LaTarier Right

[00:15:57] The epitome of a director we really wouldn't want to cover otherwise But in contrast they're going from one episode Shamus talking about his like, his notion of the Hulk being a creature that exists with like the tectonic plates Yes, he talks about like the surface of the earth

[00:16:13] Being like the surface of a person's body Like the skin of a person Right Like how the earth has a skin And this is all when he's describing his Hulk sequel pitch Yes And I am wearing a Hulk pants And then the next bonus episode

[00:16:28] The next Patreon episode you will get to hear us talk about how Louis LaTarier's Hulk looks like a bag of diarrhea It really does So that's Patreon talk That's Patreon talk Patreon talk so subscribe if you want Oh, the other thing, if we hit 2000 patrons Oh yes

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[00:16:58] I mean we can ride other Six Flags things too I suppose Yeah, I will Although it would be kind of funny to just go all the way there to do one thing Right, I will say, I mean in terms of the Lion King bet

[00:17:08] The best suggestions I saw were that if you win I have to go to a basketball game with you and record it for an episode And if I win you have to go to a theme park with me and we record it for an episode

[00:17:17] I mean, I thought that was fine I for some reason thought it was funnier for us to force Like for you to finally get your old dogs episode Like, you know that one episode So we're gonna be sticking on episodes

[00:17:27] Yeah man, I'm not sure, I like that idea too I don't know, I liked a lot of ideas Okay Anyway Last thing I want to say just because I think people are surmised at this

[00:17:34] And we're kind of like, fuck are they going to start breaking up the main feed We're putting the two animated Burton's behind the paywall It's just because Burton is really fucking long It's a different thing It's basically the difference between us not covering them at all Right

[00:17:46] And putting them on the Patreon at least Dumbo was already coming out essentially a month late Exactly So we're putting them behind there but that's not a pattern that will be replicated in future miniseries

[00:17:55] No, it wasn't like for Hove and Speolberg where there was an easy way to break it up So we decided to put those two behind it And of course we're saving that for Christmas for Henry Selick miniseries That's why we're not covering it Yeah, that's true It's true

[00:18:09] I mean, I know Burton was a huge part of that movie But it's Selick's movie, I wouldn't want to take away from him He's a genuine otara Right, he hopefully is gonna actually finish making another movie now And we'll cover him then

[00:18:18] So that's Patreon talk, Ben is stretching And I have one thing I'd like to say This will be the last episode that comes out In 2018 In 2018 Sunday at 5 p.m Oh, Ben's got a real point to make here All these international listeners Oh boy Oh, you guys

[00:18:39] Ben is taking away Ben has taken away a grindstone He seems to be rubbing an axe against it I hope you're all happy You're gonna get your episode Sunday 5 a.m. Eastern Standard Time Oh, it's 5 a.m. now Yes Okay, it was gonna be 4

[00:18:56] So hopefully now I get to stay up on Saturday nights When I don't have the episode ready Hell yeah Hell yeah It'll be good for you You won't have to deal with that bullshit on Sunday night or whatever That's true Yeah Alright, so

[00:19:10] I just like originally our podcast came out Monday afternoons And people complained it became Monday mornings Then once you accidentally posted Sunday night Yeah So it's just keep on getting Right, right It was this is the thing you're like Well, I guess I have to do this

[00:19:23] Ben's the one who said this We don't care He's the one who gets all the at replies from like, you know Joe Australia being like Where's me blank check me Yeah, which once again thanks to Joe Australia For donating to our Patreon Please thank you Joe Australia

[00:19:36] I love you so much Okay, so that's all that talk Now let's talk about Aqua My Man Great segue Filmed in Australia mostly But it was filmed in like seven different countries From my research it looks like Australia was your main shooting location

[00:19:54] Now were they able to get it classified as an Australian film because of James Wan Or was it just like he was like hometown let me play there Is James Wan Australian? James Wan is Australian This is news to little me James Wan is Australian

[00:20:08] But I know there are things like I've got the full, do you want the full beat on James Wan He's of Malaysian, birth and descent He moved to Australia age seven Okay Then he lived in Canberra which is the capital Wow

[00:20:21] It might be pronounced Canberra I always forget And then he lived in Perth He speaks with a strong Australian accent And then he went to Melbourne Yeah He's were all cities in Australia He went around And then he fucking made a gorilla film

[00:20:35] At the Melbourne Underground Film Festival Cool Like Gorilla Groud or Yeah, yeah, yeah What's that Have you seen that clip from Legends of Tomorrow Where Gorilla Groud like breaks into Barack Obama's dorm And he says like Barack Obama It will be an honor to kill you today

[00:20:52] I need to watch that show I know It seems like that show My friend writes for it It seems like such a fun time It seems like exactly what I want I just never watched TV Then he hooks up with his friend Lee Wynnell

[00:21:03] Another Australian and they make Saw Right Yeah let's I mean let's run down his phone They're Australian guys They're nice Australian boys Saw was a very bootstrappy thing That they got a couple big actors to come into a couple days on Right cause it's what Glover

[00:21:17] And Monica Potter's in it Kerry Owens Michael Emerson, Ken Lung, Tobin Bell It's got a really good cast Good cast What a good movie I love Saw Even though I know it's like the beginning of something horrible Yeah I need to re-watch it

[00:21:30] I think it's a fun movie It's got like the two really grow Have you seen Saw Ben Of course He loves Rube Goldberg Machines It's right up his alley And Grime The Saw mythology was so tortured Like you know what I mean Like in the sequels

[00:21:43] Well cause they back themselves into a corner They kill them off so fast Yeah What's the bad guy's name again? Well I mean Saw? Jigsaw? Oh Jigsaw What other movies has Jigsaw been in? Tobin Bell Tobin Bell's been in like everything Yeah That guy

[00:21:58] The guy who plays Jigsaw Or do you just mean the man Jigsaw Oh I didn't I thought that was an actor Yeah that's what we're saying Yeah Tobin Bell What's your question Oh well I fucked up a bit Yes sure We ask about the puppet

[00:22:12] Billy the puppet on the tricycle Yeah I'll tell you some other films he's been in Let me check here Saw 2 Did you see this one where they brought it back Jigsaw I did not see that one Was that a Was that kind of a flop

[00:22:24] I feel like people were sick of Saw It was a big flop And it was like they had let it lay dormant For like four years And they were like now people are hungry for it We took it off the shelves And it didn't work

[00:22:32] They tried to new coke it Saw Saw They tried to do the new coke But he did make Saw The weird thing with Saw was Saw would own every Halloween until paranormal activity Right And then paranormal activity tapped out faster than Saw That's the way of the land

[00:22:46] You know it's sort of like right You have your run But yet there used to be we're not in the annual franchise zone anymore No not really So he made Saw Yes Which was bootstrappy small short schedule Limited production budget It's only got a couple sets

[00:23:01] It got bought at a film festival By Lionsgate It was Lionsgate I think it was Lionsgate Let me look it up I can look it up I just couldn't remember if it was a pre-merger It was Deaf Lionsgate Yes And it had it cost something like

[00:23:15] It was really cheap I think it cost a million dollars Yeah You know they like sort of No, $700,000 Yeah, crazy And Lionsgate picked it up at Sundance Because you're like $750,000 $100,000 was probably Danny Glover Sure Yeah, probably I mean maybe Danny was just nice and like agreed

[00:23:33] I don't know It is weird that he's in that movie But they pick it up at Sundance He's also weird in the movie because he's like I hate Saw, I'm gonna get him And he's in like two scenes and dies I'd argue it's not his best performance

[00:23:45] If I had to make an argument I don't think it's number one on the Danny Glover Fair enough I love Danny Glover You know a friend of the show David Lowry Winky Winky Winky Winky I went to the Q&A

[00:24:00] They did after the screening of Old Man and the Gun Sure And I was in the front row because I got there late Humblebrag Yeah Front row center You were late Yeah, yeah I was feeling like mixing it up a little bit

[00:24:14] I wanted to play with the brand Wait, did you see Vice? I did not I was supposed to see Vice today and instead I slept Okay I was supposed to see it this morning Fair enough Too bad I wanted your Vice take

[00:24:23] I was in the front row sitting six inches away from Danny Glover And the whole time I couldn't stop thinking myself like Why don't we stand this legend more? Lots of fucking legend That guy Old Man and the Gun He just rules What a wonderful guy

[00:24:37] His answers were really fun He's in one of my favorite movies of all time Sleep with Anger Which is finally coming out Which is getting a criterion release I'm very excited for that Maybe more people can And you wrote the entire booklet on it I wish

[00:24:48] Are you angry? To sleep Well, yeah First question do you sleep with anger Second question Were you angry that you didn't get to write Like an essay for the booklet God no It's like an important black film I hope whoever wrote it is an important black critic

[00:25:01] Okay here's my follow up question Cause this was like a thing recently I can look it up who wrote the This was a thing recently on film twitter If you had to write an essay for like Oh sure Did you say matrix reloaded I did

[00:25:12] You'd write your fucking seraph as a log Ashley Kark Who is the curator of BAM And is yes Very good choice Obviously I would love to see that movie I'm excited to see it I would love to write a criterion booklet Essay some day Me too

[00:25:27] More than happy to Me too But I certainly did not expect to Write about to sleep with anger Yeah You went to the closet though Did that was a really Extremely important experience for me They let the dog off the leash and he ran around In the closet

[00:25:42] That was fun The wacky sea The old wacky sea itself Shout out to Courtney We truly stand a legend Who was like Oh come swing by the closet And I was like great Can't wait to do that Love her The only thing David loves more than money

[00:25:56] Is getting things that usually cost money For free No it wasn't about that It was about literally Like talking criterion with the people Yes Anyway 2007 So 2004 saw Right Which Linesgate gives a wide release And it's a surprise hit And they immediately go like Here's a franchise But

[00:26:14] Won and Wynel Get like a little hands off They become a little more Like overseeing the thing They plot it They're just executive producers I think they barely have a story Credit on Saw 3 Wynel kind of stayed on Clotting Wynel stayed on more Not Wynel

[00:26:26] But Wynel is like I want to now get bigger budgets To make more original horror films He sets up two films Yes At two separate studios That come out the same year Yeah and both of them bomb Both of them are flops One is Dead Silence

[00:26:37] Which I have never seen I've seen is very weird The puppet movie He doubled down on the puppet thing So it's a whole movie Of haunted puppets It's like a haunted Marionette puppet It's kind of cool Is it scary? I remember thinking it was

[00:26:51] It's kind of a Sam Raimi tone Oh that sounds good It's very heightened Very absurd Yeah I didn't like it at the time I have no idea why No one really liked it It got bad reviews It didn't do very well And it came out October

[00:27:03] And at this point they've made A couple Saw sequels that have all It came out in March Oh weird Yeah And Death Sentence came out in September Death Sentence Which stars Kevin Bacon It was also a flop Came out in August Like the end of August Right

[00:27:17] It was like last week Labor Day And even though it was a flop At the time and I don't think It got great reviews There's some promise there Right? Jimmy Wan Now Death Sentence is Adapted from a sequel to Death Wish Sure

[00:27:31] Which Charles Bronson made a bunch of sequels to That just became very much into Fetishizing violence and revenge Yes especially And Death Sentence is a like The weight of revenge movie It's not like full You were never really here But it's a movie in which like

[00:27:43] Kevin Bacon plays an actual Unassuming vigilante Who really is sort of torn up inside By the violence he commits Exactly It's based on the book sequel Right that's what I'm saying It's used for Death Wish 2 slightly But I think quickly like Michael Winner or whoever was like

[00:27:58] Eh this is boring He should just shoot pimps Whatever happens to them Right it was clearly like a passion project For Wan where he was like This sequel is a really good cost of violence Story And I want to tell that as its own thing But it bombs

[00:28:13] And at this point you go They've made three more saw movies They've all done really well It maybe looks like Wan fucked up Yeah From that point you go like He's got at least two bombs within six months And his franchise is going really strong without him

[00:28:25] Maybe he should have just stayed and been a company man And stuck with the saws But then he goes back to horror Insidious Have you seen Insidious Ben? I have not I think you would dig that movie Why? Well it's just a weird gnarly horror movie

[00:28:38] That stars an old lady And it's fucking fun It's the only film of his I haven't seen Oh it's fun Yeah Wait you haven't seen Insidious I'm sorry He did two I haven't seen either of those I was gonna say Weird if you had seen Not one

[00:28:51] Well it's like the time that I only saw the born legacy Wait is that still true That you've only seen that one? Yeah I thought it was a clean jumping end point I think it is in the opposite New guy New guy who dis

[00:29:04] And then I rolled in and the whole movie is like So we all know the dossier from Blackwell Like why am I watching cell phone videos Of Albert Finney Could not follow it Oh my god I thought it was like Leatherface the next generation Or something Yeah Anyway

[00:29:23] So they He makes Insidious Yeah Which is released at the time by Whatchamacallit Film district Right which was Bob Bernie's new genre start up That also released Drive and stuff But more importantly He does it with Jason Plump Yes The master of Cheap Horror But film district

[00:29:43] Didn't last very long And had very few hit movies But Insidious was there one like unqualified Like oh this performed really well And once again he was sort of back in the saw pocket Where it's like He made a really good movie for a really small budget

[00:29:57] That played mainstream Sure And now he's synced up with Jason Blum Who's the guy who understands modern horror You know Insidious played Tiff Much like Saw You know like it was a festival movie Had more of like a genuine buzz to it Critics liked it

[00:30:12] They were like this is actually well directed It's so weird I need to see it It's so good in my opinion I have not seen chapter 2 But you would love it So does he make two before Conjuring 1? Yeah Okay No no no I'm sorry Insidious Conjuring Insidious 2 Furious 7

[00:30:29] Conjuring 2 That's the order Weird That's the order I forgot that Conjuring 2 is after Furious Yeah baby 7 By what time difference? One year Crazy 2015 2016 Crazy It is crazy I mean I think Furious 7 He did a lot of it You know cause it was a delayed release Right yeah

[00:30:47] Because of Paul Walker's death Yes Right So Insidious They does Conjuring 1 Conjuring fucking rules It slaps Conjuring is where you're like this guy is for real He's the guy And now he's got a slightly bigger budget That movie rules Have you seen the Conjuring? No

[00:31:05] Why haven't you seen every shitty and good horror movie of the last 10 years? I checked out on horror big time I just feel like Ben's a horror boy Yeah you'd also love Juan Okay You would

[00:31:16] And the other thing is at this point he's like my guy is Patrick Wilson I know Who's I know Who's this great like pine tree of American cinema Who no one figures out how to use properly No cause like Patrick Wilson is a Broadway actor

[00:31:30] He emerges on the from the full Monty On Broadway And then he did Oklahoma He's one of the most classically handsome people alive You know real handsome guy Yeah Looks you know he's like he played like Raul in Phantom of the Opera

[00:31:43] Which is the sort of baby face role in that Right but he did Oklahoma He did full Monty He was doing all these Broadway musicals Who is I just hear Wait who is I was just listening to an interview with someone Who had directed him in something

[00:31:54] Fuck what was it Where they were like There was a scene that required singing And they said to Wilson like Yeah can you handle this I'm sorry about this Like you got And Wilson just looked at him like completely baffled

[00:32:05] And was like yeah no I mean I'll be fine Yeah And then like started singing The guy was like wait a second Like Oh it was Jason Reitman Young adult Oh Yeah Which he's very good in that Yes

[00:32:17] But a lot of times he's cast in that sort of like The dope or the pill He's the guy who's tracking down the A team Right You know he's the husband who's having the affair And little children Right And I remember like my mom saying like

[00:32:29] He's such a good actor The problem is he's actually too handsome Like it's distracting It's a stort any movie he's in I mean Jude Law had that problem We've talked about it Until he got like a little less handsome Yeah Like kind of helped him out

[00:32:41] And the other problem with Patrick Wilson He's a good actor though The other problem is he's a real actor Yeah he's a good actor Like he's not someone who's trying to be like A leading man movie star He's kind of a character actor

[00:32:49] I don't like Fargo very much the TV show But I think he's great in that So good in it Yeah and he was in the second season right Second season he's the main cop in the second season Oh yeah he is fucking good He's fucking great

[00:32:58] I mean I really think he's wonderful In Angels in America The Mike Nichols Lovely in that Adaptation of that That's great casting performance Yes And then He did kind of like little children I feel like he starts to just sort of fall off the map Right

[00:33:12] You know like as a serious He becomes like He'll just show off in a movie And you're like oh Patrick Wilson Like he shows up in like Lakeview Terrace He's the main I mean he is the protagonist of Lakeview Terrace Excuse me Samuel Jackson is the protagonist

[00:33:26] He's not he's the antagonist my friend I know I know But like the poster is like Samuel Jackson Looking at you the audience I would argue he's the Patrick Wilson is not to be seen I would argue he's the main character He's not the protagonist

[00:33:37] I know I agree That's what I'm saying it's like But they're trying to put him on TV He does that like a gifted man He did a doctor show Right It's like never totally working And then he does like Oh I guess he's gonna like slum it

[00:33:47] And do a horror movie But Juan really locks into him Puts him in both insidious Puts him in both conjurings Correct And is like I get this guy This guy's real fucking solid And the key to the conjuring Where I was just like This is fucking brilliant

[00:34:00] Is I Sather and I went Oh my god for the first time He's figured out how to make A horror franchise That is about the human characters Mm-hmm Because they got this amazing structure Where it's like this husband and wife Who have a really good marriage

[00:34:15] But marriage is tough They have to do the work I like that they're not bickering But it is about like Plus they have a stressful job They have a stressful job Which is their paranormal investigators In the 70s Ben They're really well dressed 70s couple

[00:34:28] Who get a call like this house is haunted I would've loved this And they go in there And they're like what's up guys And they're like nothing And then like you know Do do do The music box starts playing or something But they're like driving to the house

[00:34:39] And they hold each other's hand And they go like we can't let this test our marriage Right And I like that they always retain The human element of like these people Who are trying to help other people They're like cool ghost busting They're based on the like

[00:34:52] Hucksters who wrote the Amityville horror The Warrens The Warrens Right the conjuring is Based on the same story That the Amityville horror is based on It's a more like Grounded Right and a human version What I just love about that though The conjuring and conjuring two

[00:35:06] Are such good ghost stories But they still manage to spin off a bullshit Like the haunted dolls up to no good Like franchise out of it Annabelle is a conjuring spin off Both dolls Annabelle's the nun The nun Watch out for that nun Now they got two

[00:35:21] Is that a bad nun This nun's one of the worst One of the worst I'd say one of the worst And nuns are normally very nice Right it's supposed to well Never strict Never strict Now here's my only problem with Patrick Wilson's casting In the motion picture Aquaman

[00:35:37] Which we discussed today Which when his name came up with the credits You said great Oscar I said I smell Oscar Yeah What's your only problem with the casting He's already been in the DC Extended universe He played the president of the United States

[00:35:49] On the phone in Batman vs Superman Really So what the fuck Oh because Snyder likes him too He does because he was in What's it called He was in Watchmen Watchmen of course It was a night talk Yes An extremely detached Mediocre performance I don't think he's bad

[00:36:07] Yeah mediocre He's real mediocre Right because he was all in on little children Yeah Zack Snyder saw little children And was like that's the cast of my superhero movie Boy So I think that's fucked up And I hope that the movies resolve that issue

[00:36:23] I want the entirety of the flash film To deal with that continuity era You're right I want flash traveling through time to correct that And only that problem I think I want to say about Orm The character he plays in Aquaman Let me just check my notes here

[00:36:37] The Ocean Master Well he wants to be Wants to be that Ocean Master Aspiring Ocean Master In the comics he's That's his His name is Ocean Master He's Ocean Master That's a good title That's his numb to cry If I had to If someone swam towards him

[00:36:53] Was like what's up What's your name I'd be like Ah you know me I'm just a bit of an Ocean Master No but you don't even say I'm a bit of an Ocean Master They go what's your name And you go oh Ocean Master That's my proper name

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[00:39:36] Okay, check it please Oh is that his sidekick pen? Oh it's producer pen his sidekick You cracked it Canon One thing I want to say about Orm Yes please Who is a comic book character Yeah When he was written originally He was written as the full human

[00:39:57] Non-powered brother of Aquaman That's his initial origin in the comics Who's jealous of Aquaman Who's jealous of Aquaman right And yet his name is Orm The premise is simply that the dad What's his name like Tom or what's the Tom Curry Yeah

[00:40:14] The dad was like oh I had another son Let's call him Orm Yeah and let me name my half-Atlantican son Arthur Arthur has a normal human being Everyone else in fucking Atlantis Is called like water person So his name in the comics is Orm Orm Curry

[00:40:28] That's his fucking name Can you believe this I cannot believe it Literally Orm Curry And can Jesus Christ And then after you know post-crisis When they reinvent a lot of You know the DC characters And the priority becomes let's make Aquaman cool because for a long time

[00:40:43] The Albatross are on Aquaman's And Aquas Super Friends Aquaman's Saturday morning Depictions made him into a joke Not that he was taken super seriously In the comics He was never taken that seriously But because no one read it that Seriously when he was on the same

[00:40:55] Show as Batman as Superman As Wonder Woman Or the joke became What can Aquaman do he can talk to fish It would be like oh and then They go to the ocean for some reason And Aquaman can help in Right they pretty much on Super Friends

[00:41:05] Only gave him the power to talk to Frish and swim Right he became the classic lame He's the joke Jokey Even the Wonder Twins were Lapping him Exactly Uh Orm Yes Yeah when they reinvent him He's like the brother Like he's the son of a wizard

[00:41:19] You know like they made him a little Cooler Yeah And that's when And now and then in the new 52 Which is a you know DC Every five years The 17th rebutt Yeah That's when he becomes What they do in this Oh interesting Uh so that I think that's

[00:41:33] What they're drafting off of He's like the son of Atlanta Or is that her name Atlanta Yeah it also feels like Um Atlanta, Georgia Um it feels like they Took him five seconds to do that Yeah and worth it Uh worth every second

[00:41:48] Uh give us one dollar per second On the Patreon Um it does feel Oh Jesus Christ It feels like the emphasis is on Like a lot of the nights in the 2000s Were like let's make Aquaman badass Let's give him a beard Let's give him a spear hand

[00:42:03] That's a five million dollar Uh let's give him a spear hand Was the Peter David uh Reboot of him in the 90s Right he's not wearing I had some of those issues I was never entered Yeah It felt a little A little bit flexy to me

[00:42:17] It felt a little like This isn't your fucking dad's Aquaman It was a little bat I mean I didn't mind that Cause I love Peter David in the 90s I still love him I mean he's great But uh it is funny to think that The Peter David Aquaman

[00:42:29] Which ran 75 issues Is the longest running Aquaman title ever Yeah he's never been a very successful character on his own Which is why it felt insane That Warner Brothers was going ahead With an Aquaman movie But it is cool because And I'm gonna bring Ben in here

[00:42:43] Please do Wet, wet, wet It's stroking wet This is the wetest hero there's ever been So we're missing the one step of one Which I just want to build this bridge Between these two whores Over the water Over troubled water Over troubled water Yeah

[00:42:58] We both got there at the same time Aquawater One dollar for each of us Thank you I don't have change Yeah we don't do comedy points anymore It's just cold art gash A pile of dollars on the table Ben Mois dollars David's a money monster

[00:43:11] So he gets hired to do Furious 7 Because Justin Lin leaves after doing 5 3, 4, 5, 6 Right And James Wan takes over In the middle of production Paul Walker dies The film was already a big fucking undertaking Became a crazier undertaking But the movie is insanely successful

[00:43:33] It becomes the third highest grossing film Worldwide at that point in time Yeah it was like And it will probably will never be matched In the Furious In the franchise Right So he's kinda got the keys to the kingdom At that point because they went like

[00:43:44] He took a franchise to a new height This late in the series He handled a really difficult nightmare production Right You know all this sort of stuff And he pointly says This movie kinda broke me I don't wanna be the new Justin Lin

[00:43:57] I don't wanna make the sequels I wanna do something else So now everyone's throwing at James Wan Like take over our franchise He's kinda got the keys to everything And he latches on to Aquaman That was not the first one they offered him I mean they were like

[00:44:12] Do you wanna do a Flash movie? This or that And he was like I kinda had an idea doing an Aquaman movie Which was the one they couldn't get anyone to do Or Or Like Jeff Nichols had turned down Aquaman I mean that's weird

[00:44:24] That he would make that And James Wan was like I'll spend all my capital on Aquaman This is a chance for me to build a undersea universe It's true I mean you're right that it is bold Because As everyone who is in the biz Yeah

[00:44:37] This business we call show Knows Water expensive Very Yeah add water to a picture To a production That's fucking expensive Never work with water children or animals Yes And this movie has a lot of animals Aquaman not the big Yeah a lot of animals Sea horses Yeah

[00:44:53] And Brian King's And so like They're big Aquaman not a character with a huge built-in fan base Right so you got a real potential for bomb And also they've already cast an actor Who is not a proven box office truck No As a leading man

[00:45:08] He is a proven like He's popular He's a person Right He's a big J He's pretty big That's a good point He's got little bodyguards And a big body Oh god that tweet is so funny They're like at his fucking armpits For people who haven't seen this

[00:45:24] It says what is the point of Jason Momoa's bodyguards And it's Jason Momoa being flanked by three men Who look like me But they're probably like six two That's what's funny about it It's a funny perspective photo And you know the thing is Poor Jason Momoa was cast

[00:45:39] Right off you know He was in your Game of Thrones obviously Only ten episodes I didn't realize he's only in the first season Right I keep forgetting you haven't seen him I haven't watched it But he's so He's not even in ten He's probably like

[00:45:50] I looked up on IDB I think he's in a full gentleman's tent He's in the full first season Cal Drogo made your character But you know Once you ever do get around to watching it Cal Drogo you're just like

[00:45:59] I want all that you can give me of this person Even though he speaks a foreign made-up language Is shirtless the entire time And mostly cares about riding his horse He fucking rules He's a crazy person No this is my thing I've never seen Game of Thrones

[00:46:13] And because of what a big cultural impression he left I was like Well obviously he left the show at some point to do movies I forgot you hadn't seen it I've never seen it No Cal Drogo dies Spoiler alert He dies

[00:46:23] I just told you I haven't watched the show You told me you also looked up He did ten episodes Like he doesn't make it I did But then he played Conan Remember that Right which didn't work No but I don't think that's on Jason

[00:46:34] Don't blame it on him But I'm just saying it's I have three things to say about it One he didn't have a beard Get out of here He's beardless in that movie What the fuck are you doing putting no beard Yeah He needs a beard

[00:46:45] He's a bearded man Yeah No beard look at this shit I had forgotten that But Conan I guess is a historical clean shape He looks like Conan O'Brien in this Okay well I mean come on I'm in bed Come on get out of here

[00:46:57] And give David five bucks on Venmo So Like constant Venmo trains And two it was directed by Someone called Marcus Nesbiel Who did that Texas Chance of Massacre reboot You know so no one really You know that was one of those movies That was like probably filmed

[00:47:12] In like a country that doesn't exist I believe it's a Millennium Films production Narrated by Morgan Freeman I take it all back I lost that attribute We lost that question attribute Shit I don't remember that So I don't know if you can lay that out

[00:47:25] But before Game of Thrones He's a guy who was on Baywatch for years Is the hunky Hawaiian Baywatch Hawaii is a Hawaiian American He was born in Hawaii And then he was on Stargate Atlantis for years And he was kind of a weird like Holt TV figure

[00:47:38] Yeah he had dreads Right Have you seen his dreads I didn't know he had dreads Look at this cool guy Yeah like a war I remember reading an Inna Cool story Not to invoke If that was from California He would be like that weird guy

[00:47:50] On like the boardwalk Who sells like hacky sacks But I really am actually selling Drugs Drucky sacks Inside That's just a packaging system When Inna Cool ran a story Announcing that he'd been cast as Conan And I feel like they cast him Before Game of Thrones had premier

[00:48:09] Right but he was They were aware of his largeness Right I remember someone in the comments Saying oh my god I can't believe this guy got a movie My sister and I were obsessed With Baywatch Hawaii And he was our biggest crush And we used to call him

[00:48:24] Beachwood candle Cause we imagine he smelled Like a beachwood candle That's funny Right and so I always think about that Whenever I see him Sure I forgot that right You have this very I have a very weird relationship with him I almost have never seen him anything

[00:48:39] I just know him as sort of like a meme And as a physical presence And then he's like Like he was a bullet to the head He was rumored to play Drax But then apparently turned down They cast Batista Batista is amazing

[00:48:50] In a four-time Academy Award winning performance And then you know Zack Snyder said like This is my Aquaman He's gonna unite the seven And I'm gonna have him on screen For one second in a piece of cell phone footage Right He is in a BVS

[00:49:04] That BVS clip where He is clearly holding his breath Under water Right and you're just like This is fucked This whole thing is fucked No because to me When they cast him I was like That's brilliant because one Obviously big imposing guy Makes sense right

[00:49:16] Kind of looks like the Peter David Aquaman Two He's like a surfer guy Water I see what you've done here And plus he's a person of color You know it's like That's very cool And like He's a cool dude Yeah He's called Drogo Let's not forget Um So

[00:49:34] Still You're right Not a box office draw in and of himself No Well now when you went At Julie Andrews playing a giant squid Then John Mcstave is a brankin' Correct I took too big a bite of basil I'm sorry He also has weirdly done two TV shows

[00:49:51] Yeah since he like He did the Red Road Which was on Sundance And was like a flop Then he's on this thing Frontier Which I believe is like still going For the Discovery Channel To peak TV is so weird He's got a weird career Yeah

[00:50:06] But it's a cart before the horse thing They had put him like He was good on SNL I haven't watched it yet Can I do my tiny grape corner? Okay I haven't watched the episode yet I did watch his monologue There was one moment Uh huh That

[00:50:21] Stroke to particular ire in me You know what it is Because then I went to Twitter To Google to see if anyone else Was complaining about this Okay Here's the sentence I'll say it verbatim I'm such a big SNL fan That at one point I considered

[00:50:33] Quitting from acting So I could audition for SNL Uh huh Right What's he said that like Oh well acting is a thing But if acting doesn't work out for me I backup his become a sketch comedian Like that's not acting I think you're You're reading too much

[00:50:48] I got furious Boy got furious I have it over Turned off the episode I will watch it at some point I have not missed an episode of SNL In 17 years because I'm a robot You are a weird robot Yeah The Damon episode was actually pretty good Damon?

[00:51:01] Matt Damon Yes I'll watch it Okay I'm behind I don't know what to tell you I'm behind now Hulu I've Whatever Edith Turk Here's the other thing about Jason Momoa Yeah He's married to fucking Lisa Bonet He's married to Lisa Bonet Yo he's forget that Lisa Bonet

[00:51:19] From a different world He's Zoe Kravitz's stepdad Yeah Lenny Kravitz's ex-wife From fucking high fidelity And he still hangs out with Lenny Kravitz They took pictures together on Instagram We're friends too Wait you and who? Who? Big J So you're part of Big J's posse now

[00:51:39] And he has several tattoos He's got a lot Including one that reads Always be drunk in French Sure Now they're doing this thing A. they'd committed to Aquaman having a budget of like 250 million dollars This thing must have cost a fortune I haven't seen a reported budget

[00:51:55] But it must have cost so much fucking money And it's all up there on the screen It is all up there on the screen And more Yeah Yes But the other thing is I want to be clear this movie is great It's so good David loves it

[00:52:08] It's so fucking good Here's my review and we'll dig into it I think it's the only movie He had this review ready When the cards were rolling I got cards ready It's in a card Now I'm gonna get it But I'm gonna say it

[00:52:20] It's the only movie I've seen That's simultaneously a one in a ten But I'm saying it's also a ten Ben I'm saying it's a Ben ten Do it Ben Ben's slipping the fingers It's a big rock card It's a big rock card

[00:52:35] Yeah, you get smashed with a big rock Oh no Oh shit Oh that hurt I love a new card So it's a Big rock How big are we talking The card stock is thin But somehow the card is heavy It's a big rock It's a big rock card

[00:52:50] I actually need to calm myself down Here we go, yes So yes, it was a crazy swing for like Jason Mollah hasn't led a big studio movie Aquaman not a big hero And yet here we are Justice League we're still not making work Justice League of Flop

[00:53:04] But at that point they're well into production No no no That's what's crazy That's true but I'm just saying Right, like this movie isn't being helped By any of these factors No, none of these things And so you feel like there's a lot of potential

[00:53:16] For a lot of meddling and second guessing here That's true That DC would come in and be like Ah fuck Justice League didn't work so Can Aquaman have like a fun Wrapping dog as his sidekick Like oh shit what should we do Right right

[00:53:30] Can Supreme sponsor his armor Anything, come on come on Can Aquaman teach me how to doggie No but you go like Justice League was entirely like Oh fuck how do we respond To the Batman vs Superman response I'm sorry Batman v Superman Right Justice League is like

[00:53:48] Look what it's fun We're having a fun time over here Right like too much weird over correction Yeah yeah yeah And then Wonder Woman We all know kind of slipped through the cracks Well Wonder Woman DC was like That'll make what six or seven dollars Right okay

[00:53:59] I've never heard of her It's a write off It appears to start a woman uninteresting Whoever Greenlit this has been fired We can write this off as charity Right And then it makes like eight hundred million dollars They're like oh I guess people like that

[00:54:09] Yeah it's a wonderful font But it looked more likely Despite the fact that James Wong Was coming off of a mega hit True Several mega hits in a row There was already that kind of narrative Of like poor James Wong He's getting a swallow by this thing

[00:54:21] Like but I mean I was even sort of seeing online That kind of like Yeah when Aquaman flopped We can't blame James Wong I mean what a thankless task It's a more brother's fucked it up thing Exactly And for all I know

[00:54:33] Maybe this film will underperform in America I have no idea It seems like it's gonna do fine From the track Cause here's my other big thing This is the first movie I've seen That seems like it is completely uninterested In North American audiences If it works here fine

[00:54:44] This feels like it was a movie made for Asia I have one counterpoint Sure I think Venom has that too Now Venom is so ineptly made Yes That it's hard to argue that Venom Had any conscious purpose Yes But it also has that slightly gooey Big monster vibe

[00:55:00] That I feel like this has It kind of feels like Korean horror Like it feels like the host or something Right I'm doing the hindsight point With a weird comedy That movie made an astonishing amount Of money in China $900 million worldwide

[00:55:12] It truly is just such a huge hit $900 million It made half of Wonder Woman's money in America And has eclipsed it worldwide For example Bananas So I think Venom also has that vibe a little bit What's different with Aquaman is Aquaman to me that feels conscious and deliberate

[00:55:26] Cause I look at this And I go It kind of has the world building Of like Chinese mythology It has sort of The sort of intensity and density Of like binge watching An entire season of an anime show Like a deep cut dorky anime show

[00:55:41] And it also feels a lot like a Bollywood epic to me Where it's just like Excess Like there are no peaks and valleys It's all just fucking big It just runs It just runs It really doesn't have any long I turned to you at one point

[00:55:54] And said this is the fucking Finnegan's wake of movies You did say that This is the densest film in American cinema history I think you said exactly that Yes I was taking note of my lines Cause I want to repeat them all night But it is

[00:56:05] It is a crazy fucking film And I saw someone yesterday Now you and Ben both just go like Ten to ten masterpiece Yeah it was a weird thing Like I just had an Atlantean crown On my head when the movie was over My dick turned into a trident

[00:56:18] David at several points in the movie Genuinely turned to me and went Rules, rules, rules When a character goes like Your mother had to leave In order to marry you Based on the promise of the force I was saying both that the movie rules

[00:56:31] And then I loved all the rules The movie was introducing It was that scene where Orm is like Of course I'll need four of the seven kingdoms To claim the title of Ocean Master And as we know three of the kingdoms Are this, that and the other

[00:56:42] And I'm like Oh boy Now this is where the movie Really feels like anime to me Definitely Like an anime series where it's just like There's no conversational dialogue in this film No Any conversational dialogue is like Video game cut scene level where it's like

[00:56:59] Huh, I guess I was asking for that Like that level It's characters with a lot of intensity And or attitude explaining A lot of world building Cause like there's that Like some of the scenes in the trailer Like the one where he's like

[00:57:12] I could have just peed on it People are like Jesus Fuck, is this a Nickelodeon show Like this is terrible But it's like that's just the vibe Right and also It's like a Resident Evil 4 cut scene Right in the movie The jokes are so fucking big

[00:57:25] And are only cut by like More exposition That it's a little more welcome Than if you imagine like There's a nice conversational scene Like Steve Trevor Wonder Woman on a boat No, Wonder Woman on a boat Let's slow down Let's understand these characters Let's get to know everyone

[00:57:39] This movie never slows down I genuinely like got a headache from it Which I'm not complaining about But it was just like You walked out of the theater And we were like We just need to like adjust To like silence for a little bit

[00:57:50] We took like a half hour walk We took a long walk You and I Of a short pier And we joined Orm We joined Orm No, it's like Orm right Like Orm Gonna say his name a lot Orm Orm I mean we got to Or... Gord

[00:58:05] Now we got Orm Gord is a little bit I'd say more quality He's got his hands on some... Okay More quality You know Gord is a top shelf item It's a finer head Thread count on Gorm Yeah Oh my god Now Orm Like you never learn

[00:58:22] A fucking thing about him You don't know anything Like what does this guy do I have no idea Everything you know about Orm Is that he's the son of this And he's the brother of that And that's why he behaves The way he does that And that's that

[00:58:33] He only speaks in explanations of that Yes, he only speaks Like he's a fucking Roman senator Right And like it's all just relying On Patrick Wilson's look and performance For you to get what's going on You know what? Video game cutscene Is very dead on

[00:58:46] And we don't mean that as a negative But it is like The dialogue scenes in this film Serve to set up the stakes For the crazy visual shit That's gonna happen In the same way that a dialogue Cutscene in a video game Has to prepare you to play

[00:58:56] The next level Yes, I mean It's like a video game cutscene In like a final fantasy Like you know where it's like The cutscenes actually are required Right Because like You know in those video games Where you're like Can I skip this? And the video game's like Yeah

[00:59:10] You know and then you have to watch it And then you're like Otherwise you're not gonna understand The objective of the scene Right and you know For one minute you're like The lead line Yeah Right And then like three minutes later You're like

[00:59:21] I'm fully emotionally invested in this Right Yes But you know To some people as we're describing This might sound like a nightmare The thing is This movie just has Like such fucking audacity Right And such imagination It's got that Wachowski vibe The Wachowskis are better Yes But like

[00:59:41] They're better than everyone But like it has that which That unembarrassed vibe That sort of like This is what we're doing We're not trying to be Like not It is truly one of the nerdiest Films I've ever seen It's quite nerdy It is quite nerdy Quite nerdy about

[00:59:54] Atlantis And that's a thing There are no attempts To try to make Aquaman Hyper cool No Like they make him like The triumph is making him Less cool Yes Like you know He's no longer the Snyder thing Where it's like he wears jeans And no shirt Right

[01:00:09] Like the triumph of the movie Is like he's finally in go You get him in the classic costume And it's like bright orange And the other thing is The MacGuffin of this movie Is the Trident Because Snyder famously was like This was your take

[01:00:19] This is a smart take Trident isn't cool enough He needs to have five blades And you're like That's not a trident anymore Try Try You don't want to accomplish anymore Try means three And this movie is Literally Willem Dafoe Rolling out of map And he's like

[01:00:32] You must find the true trident And he's like I have one of those And he's like No that sucks Fuck that thing Right So like the movie It's like his mom's or whatever But it is a crucial moment In the movie that it gets Like cut in half

[01:00:45] But it is like You know On a surface level The movie is saying like Aquaman needs to learn To wear a dorkier costume And have a simpler weapon He has to stop Trying to like show off How badass he is Yes You know

[01:00:57] And that's the thing is like When the movie Right The movie's premise is like We all know Aquaman He's that fun guy from Justice League Who says my man And Aquaman's like Yeah And he's like drinking a giant beer Right That's the setup And it's like

[01:01:10] What we need him to understand Is that the politics of Atlantis Are very complicated And he needs to learn about that I would say There is one scene in this movie That feels like it's from A human movie Go ahead A normal human American movie Which is

[01:01:22] Him at the bar You mean when the tough guys are like You think they're trying to start A fight with him And so they want selfies And then he drinks a lot And David was so charmed Can I confess I was so fooled by that Yes

[01:01:33] Like when they can Because this is still early in the movie Yes So what we've had so far When we'll talk Let's say this So it opens with Okay let's go to the front It opens with Jason Moe was saying Jules Verne once And you and I both

[01:01:46] Like all three of us Just start pumping our fists In the air And Joanna's like Can you keep it down Yeah I'm looking at me Exactly how this movie should start And I should mention by the way We're gonna talk about a little bit

[01:01:57] There's a couple in front Of Ben and I At the theater Who are talking But like full conversation Talking at this point Yeah they're just having Regular voice conversations Regular voice conversations Yes okay So Jules Verne once said An Aquaman lays out the story Of his father

[01:02:13] A humble lighthouse keeper Walking to the end of the dock And seeing Atlanta, Georgia On a very rainy night Very rainy night Wet Wet Nighttime Night wet Night wet Ben can you pause the podcast for a second I just wanna ask David a personal question Sure

[01:02:32] So just mark this and then cut it out Obviously because I just I have a question I forgot to ask David Before we start the program Yeah no go ahead David um Do you love movies? I do love movies Okay well this is where we're just

[01:02:45] Gonna get really personal Okay Do you go to the theater so often That your hair smells like popcorn And the bottom of your shoes Are always sticky I'm famous for my sticky shoes Your smelly hair Okay Ben Make sure this doesn't make it into the feed Okay Okay

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[01:03:59] You can go to SlashFilmcast.com You could Yeah you could You could do that Okay Ben I'll cut back in What's up So he rescues Atlanta And immediately you go Oh they're letting Nicole Kidman Have fun She's like talking to a dog And eating a goldfish That's true

[01:04:17] Because Nicole Kidman had been offered The queen role in Wonder Woman Turned it down at that point You imagine she's like I'm Nicole Kidman I don't want to play the And in a superhero movie I don't want to play the Superhero's mom Right and what Connie Britton

[01:04:29] Played that role Like not the sexiest role No she's good And then she saw it in it But like At the time it was like Oh fuck it she did Only taking Aquaman Because she regrets passing On Wonder Woman But this is a role that is

[01:04:40] So much more well suited to Nicole Kidman And her weird like avant garde Large ventrary theater taste I will say another thing Maybe this is mean I do like Nicole though The age smoothing You know Tomorrow Arson looks kind of crazy Because it's like

[01:04:56] I know what he looked like Younger and this wasn't it Whereas Nicole Who has a very smooth face I'm not being That's all we're saying I'm just saying her face Is quite smooth Has been for a long time Yes It works so well on her Where I'm like

[01:05:11] Oh yeah it kinda looks Like Nicole Kidman from a few years ago Right but also to the degree Where they have to Age her up in the later stuff Because she looks too young Yeah Spoiler But Nicole's being fun Nicole's being fun And you're like

[01:05:23] So is this like splash Sure sure Yeah Well they gotta It moves so fast Cause it's like she meets him And cut to them in bed She's pregnant Right Cut to some Her reading him a story Yeah Right little art Little art Little arty

[01:05:40] And then a bunch of Aqua soldiers coming Now Ben gets amped Because they start fighting Off these guys To be clear Aqua soldiers Aqua soldiers Okay these are guys in white Atmosphere suits Now that's the thing They look maybe like a scuba suit But the thing is

[01:05:55] It's the opposite to keep The water in There's water in the suit They have helmets Their faces you see From between Betwixt a water screen You know someone Could maybe have mentioned this Earlier in the movie But apparently like The high born Atlanteans Like your Nicole Kidmans

[01:06:10] Can breathe out of water Everyone else needs the water They mentioned it a little later In the movie But boy do they ever mention it They do They do Yes Right so there are Only our main characters Can breathe on land And these other characters

[01:06:24] Now need to create Water suits Which immediately you're like He's coming with better logic Than the fucking Justice League thing Where you're like Are they gonna have to Make a bubble every time they talk Fuck that Can none of them Like what the fuck is going on

[01:06:38] But now here's another thing They've got lasers powered By water They've got hydrolasers They do have hydrolasers They do have hydrolasers I agree I agree that they fucking Water Turns into laser So they do this big fake CGI Wonder Where Nicole Kidman Academy Award winner Nicole Kidman

[01:06:55] That's accurate We stand a legend Fights all these aqua soldiers And as she hits them You've been tried Water comes out And Ben gets amped That's cool And she is taken She is taken Oh no, no, no She leaves With the sort of like I'm gonna have

[01:07:10] They're gonna come for me She surrendered So she peaches it She fights them off But then goes back And she's like I'll see you At let's be honest Probably the end of this film Right On this dock at sunrise Then the movie hard cuts To a submarine

[01:07:25] A Russian submarine Yes Yes it does And we're introduced to Black Manta and his father Of course Blacker Manta But it's Beach Manta Take a beach Yeah, Abdulmantin The second That's right Who I think is a fucking movie star So what do you

[01:07:43] I mean he's in the get down I knew him in that I tried watching half a Baywatch on a plane Oh right I've never seen Baywatch And it's a nightmare But I was like This is the only guy who's funny In this movie Who is this guy

[01:07:54] Is this some comedian I don't know about Then I realized He was the guy from the get down Which I didn't recognize him from He's a clearance in that Then he was in the Greatest Showman He plays Zendaya's brother And I was like

[01:08:04] This guy can do fucking anything I know I mean underserved In that movie He's the lead of every film I guess he could have been The lead of the movie I just think this is a guy Who's got a lot of range A lot of versatility

[01:08:15] A lot of charisma Did I blow up No I blew it I'm blowing everything today baby Blowing this mic Ben's bad Just back off the mic A little bit I think this guy's great And I think he's great In every genre And I got really excited

[01:08:30] When he's playing Black Manta Who is a very cool looking character So I don't know much about The Aquaman comics I know nothing I'm a Marvel boy I knew you but still I would have a few I was a big Batman guy

[01:08:40] And the rest of the DC Universe I didn't fuck with that one But I had I knew who Black Manta was I'm sorry Bartman Go on Because of his design Ben He would show up In the iconography In the trading cards The saucer shaped helmet

[01:08:52] With the red eyes He looks very like 50's sci-fi movie Which is always cool Fucking awesome It's a great costume And then when they posted That trailer I think it was the second trailer That had the extended Sort of cut of their big fight scene Yeah

[01:09:04] And people were like Geez this looks goofy Yeah What are you talking about? Yeah, like a goofy movie Looks goofy This looks amazing An extremely goofy movie Looks even goofier Do you like C-Crime? What are you some C-Crime apologists Is this the greatest episode We've ever done?

[01:09:20] You don't want C-Justice? No You want C-Crime? They're not pirates Now to be fair They're like They're way beyond that The opening of this movie You could basically call C-Crime League, right? You could Now this is where this movie I'm starting to realize The narrative ambition

[01:09:37] Of just how deep they're going Because it's like Okay, we're interested Black Manta this early on Now clearly what they're going To set up Is that Aquaman kills Black Manta's father And the movie is Black Manta wanting revenge Right They're like weird Independent To the point

[01:09:52] They have a weird like C-Craft To the point where Like I am watching the movie And I'm like I could have sworn Black Manta was A human And not an Atlantean Like in my limited understanding Right, because I was like Are there a trans-up that

[01:10:04] There are like navy seals And then he becomes A supervillain Right Our elite criminals Right Very elite Yeah And Michael Beach has That monologue that we were Talking about on Mike Where he's like Listen Your father Black Manta Yes Except he wasn't Black Manta He was just Manta

[01:10:22] My father He's talking about the first Your grandfather Right, right, right He was Manta in World War II And then he went back to The sea And I was like He went back to the sea They've just taken over The beach man And then Michael Beach turns to

[01:10:35] Ya'ab Dolmeteen and says This feels like a good time to tell you My father, your grandfather And gives him the speech Of the history of the knife Okay, so you're just like Wait, how is this character set up? Meanwhile, Jason Momoa was like Howdy

[01:10:49] And like, you know, hitting people With his pecs Right, and he's doing the classic One flip that they do in Furious 7 Where when they throw a guy The camera tilts with the guy Right The perspective shifts When the rock-rock bottoms Jason Statham or whatever Yeah, exactly

[01:11:06] And so then He comes head to head They're all fighting Aquaman Aquaman's like You're messed up this submarine No good Which by the way I just love that Michael Beach His two December releases are Aquaman And if Beale Street could talk Michael Beach playing tough but intense

[01:11:23] Michael Beach a third watch He played the dirtbag husband in ER Yes So he's playing supportive But somewhat haunted fathers This is true In Aquaman and Beale Street Yes, this is all true But I also love that right Aquaman right now He's not concerned with Atlantis

[01:11:41] He's been in the Justice League It's literally just sea justice So he's like There's a crime but sea Aquaman is there I'm the sea cop Right I'm a lone sea cop So he Now they're fighting him He tried dense Or five dense Michael Beach Yeah And Manta is

[01:11:57] He just throws like a pipe through him Oh right He pipe punctures him But then he unpipes him He's like alright Unpipe But then some shit falls on him Remember something like You know cause Michael Beach Throws a grenade or something Right So some shit falls on him

[01:12:11] No it's Michael Beach is like Because his son is going to try To save him That's later First he throws a grenade at him He shoots some explosive Two grenades Something blows up and it falls On him Cause they already have Kind of crazy technology at this point

[01:12:24] And you're like What world does this movie set in? Who fucking knows And all this shit's on him And Black Mantis like Help me And Huckleman's like The sea Beg to the sea Ask the sea for justice Yeah And leads He's still writing his Snyder shirtless tattoo look

[01:12:39] And that's his jeans law Plus jeans right That is sea law Jeans and boot That is sea law According to Ben So apparently this is all above board Michael Beach kills himself So that his son Will save himself Yes And he gets up to land

[01:12:52] On his weird stingray ship And immediately is like Ah justice Right? Yes So you're like Okay I get that this is a revenge thing But also who the fuck is this guy So now the movie cuts back to Aquaman at the bar right? Yeah Yes

[01:13:07] And he's drinking with his pops Pops The people guys come up And they're like Hey you that Aquaguy from the TV Yeah And I'm like Oh fuck this is so fucking hacky Where's this going We just saw him beat up Michael Beach And you know like

[01:13:20] We really need like Another badass scene I genuinely fall for it Right And then the joke is they're like They want selfies And our friends are like Okay Angry in the selfies And then you see through the course of selfies He gets drunk with them

[01:13:31] And starts having a great time And it's a lovely thing The first Oscar was delivered By me To be clear I brought in a garbage bag of 12 Oscars And that would throw them at this screen Every time I liked it Best supporting selfie Oh god To warm Morrison

[01:13:47] Ego father of Aquaman Bulba Fett And Milana That's quite a lineage Milana I mean he was the man who asked us to Consider the coconut and consider its trace I think Christopher Jackson was the singing voice But yes fair enough Oh fuck you're right See Jack

[01:14:02] He's cool too Yeah he rules He's gonna be a guest on Mrs. Peregrine Both of them together To be clear Jackson will do the singing Tomorrow we'll do the talking I'll say this If we ever do a Milana episode That's our goal Bring them both in

[01:14:22] And if everyone they want to sing The sangristers Jackson can be like Oh it's me now That's a big thing I missed When I was like the 90s Disney musicals When they started going after bigger names And it would always be a different singing voice

[01:14:31] It would be like The weirdest one was B.D. Wong As the romantic lead of Mulan But Donnie Osmond did the singing voice Despite B.D. Wong being a lovely singer A great Broadway singer Don't know what's going on there Yeah they just wanted Mulan

[01:14:46] I know some people really like that movie I think Mulan is okay It's really I think this song I don't like the songs I like the songs I like the animation And I like the central part The action sequences Mulan are very good

[01:14:58] It was the best Disney had ever done Large scale serious action I don't think the movie totally worked Anyway Talk about Aquaman He's talking about how much They miss his mother Mira shows up at this point They're driving on the side of the ocean That's right

[01:15:17] In their SUV Yeah that's right And Mira shows up And immediately they like As I said you can't figure out if they Mira's like you need to come to Atlantis A lot of important shit going on But it feels like the exact conversation

[01:15:29] She had with him in Justice League When he's like no hard pass Right and he does that again Drives on Right and she's like What about the Justice League thing Right Yeah whatever Yeah and he's like I'm into justice I'm not into sea justice

[01:15:44] You know like cause she's like You said you didn't want to help anybody But you helped them Right He's a land person He's a land person So now then he drives off Okay so here's some things that I'm thinking One How do you get his tried

[01:15:57] And how do you learn all this shit Like he's like never been What did he go last time And then the other thing I'm thinking is Whoa this scene looks like Ponyo Because then it's like a big ocean The car is out racing like a tidal wave

[01:16:10] Yes she can control liquid No but she doesn't do that That's warm I know but I'm just setting it up Then she saves them Right she makes a little sea wall And she saves them even though the father That's a bad leader

[01:16:20] She has to suck the water out of his lungs With her hand Kind of cool But yes at this point you're going like Where the fuck is this going And Mara and Aquaman stand on to the edge of a cliff And then this movie starts employing

[01:16:32] One of the weirdest narrative structures ever It's true Which I can only equate to Speed Racer Where there aren't flashbacks They're just transitions where there are flashbacks Like Russian nest Dull nested Alexander also does this Where it's just sort of jumping from period to period With abandon

[01:16:50] But the thing that he's doing in this That's very Speed Racer is Like you don't have cults Right yes Right so it's like Mara and Aquaman Will be talking the camera will spin around them And then once it gets to the other side Now it's the foe

[01:17:01] And young Aquaman And when it moves around again It's back to present day There's also like middle Aquaman There's like teen Aquaman Who's kind of cute Where he's like Oh fuck you I want to be Aquaman right now Where's my mom It's the Moana aged Aquaman

[01:17:14] And they've set up this idea that like He grew up on the land But then Volko Who's played by Willem Dafoe Would periodically come up to land To train him What's up bro And be like I'm at no one's authorization Well his mom's authorization

[01:17:29] But he's saying that the mom is Well he says that later Right so god it's so confusing He's like I sworn out to your mother to train you So here I am to train you And he's like what am I going to do

[01:17:38] She's like she's super busy right now But yeah maybe later So you're like he's covering for the fact That she's dead Right and eventually he says That's her four flashbacks Which means one hour later Yeah your mom vanished And she was executed by someone

[01:17:51] Throw her into the darkest What's it called the trench kingdom From which she was never seen a dead So obviously 100% she's definitely dead But there's this notion that And I turned to Griffin and I said Like I guess she's dead That's it we won't see her again

[01:18:02] Right Ornma's trying to steal the throne Because he's next in line But the one person who could challenge Trench kingdom The one person who could challenge Orm For the throne Is Arthur Forrest Bourne Yes So she's like come on down Just have a quick editorial battle

[01:18:18] She does pull prices right She says come on down She says come on down Awkward prices In the wheel Gotta get that penny Gotta get that dollar Oh my god Oh my god what a masterpiece Sorry I just have to think about this

[01:18:38] Yeah so then they go down Ben Listen up Here we go Water car Yeah here's when I get a fucking water erection Is when she's in her water car She gets in like the fucking Highway right to the gate And he's like oh why are we doing this

[01:18:52] She's like well yeah Atlantic, Atlantis customs control But luckily I have diplomatic clearance That's the point where you say rules Rules rules rules That's when you turn to me And said rules rules rules rules That was it that was it Oh my god

[01:19:05] She's like those are the hydro cannons No one could get past those And immediately I was like Someone's getting past those Like with intent Another thing that might sound like Fame praise and your mileage may vary But this movie does answer Every fucking possible question you could have

[01:19:19] Because all characters do is explain The rules of their universe I have one remaining question Which is How do they go to the bathroom Because it's all water Well Ben had one question before the movie That was also not answered Do they shower

[01:19:33] But they use air to shower Yes Right they must That's the trick Yeah right Therein lies the rub So now they're underwater And this portion of the movie The way that they do not take time Slowly introducing you to the world Feels like if you went to a

[01:19:51] All you can eat buffet And then they just came to your table With the entire buffet And dumped it on your plate Like they're not waiting for you to be like First try some egg rolls Then come back for a salad course Right

[01:20:05] This is a combination platter right away Right then the combination is Everything That's right It's like squid but also like Squid eggs like you know Right and they're like of course They're five kingdoms The kingdoms of the trench The brine kingdom As we all know They're five kingdoms

[01:20:20] So there's Atlantis Yeah They're blue They're kind of bluey And they're pretty humanoid Right Then there's Green Kingdom That I always forget the name of Which is ruled over by Dolph Lunger And it's called Zebel Right I don't know why But it's listed up in the comic books

[01:20:35] It like exists in something called The Aqua Dimension Right Would love to know more He is Mero's father I wanna know more Exactly He's Mero's father Yes He's an angry bearded man Who rides an angry bearded seahorse They ride seahorses This is the key thing Right

[01:20:49] Patrick Wilson and the Atlanteans Ride sharks Yes They have a fucking summit Yes At like underwater coliseum Okay so at this point in the movie The couple that is sitting in front of us Yeah They out It is taking longer for us to explain

[01:21:05] The section of the movie that it takes For the movie to get through it Sure This may be his 12 minutes Right I guess so Yeah Like maybe even 10 Like this thing's moving so fucking fast But this couple in front of us When the sharks come on screen

[01:21:17] He takes out his phone and starts Showing her videos of the time He went diving with sharks It's videos from his cell phone Of him in the cage with the sharks coming up Oh my god Uh-huh And we're like just fuck already Put us out of our misery

[01:21:30] Um No There's five kingdoms Okay five kingdoms Atlanteans Zebel The brine kingdom We don't see them Yeah Turns out they're crab people The trench The trench They mention that they're kind of animalistic Right and then Jaman Hunsi's kingdom The fisherman kingdom The fisherman Now they are fishmen Yeah

[01:21:52] Drop the ur It's cleaner It's cleaner They are fishmen They are fishmen Fish women Fish children They're big fish Yeah So what we are hearing in this is like Tim Burton, Tim Burton, Tim Burton, hashtag Tim Burton The more war-like people Are the Atlanteans and the Zebel

[01:22:09] Patrick Wilson and Dolph Ruggins They're ready to launch a war on the surface right now Right They know the fisherman and the brine kingdom Have to be kind of brought in line They're two big tasks For any character in this film Because once you control four kingdoms

[01:22:20] You're the ocean master We all know it We know this to be true Can you control I'm getting a text All of our girlfriends have dumped us All 27 people Ben has been on dates with in the last week have said Interesting Everyone who had sex with is disavowing

[01:22:37] Any knowledge of me Wow, interesting Oh, I've been fired from all jobs Oh, no Let's check the patchery on These things are coming to life Yeah, so there's also the trench kingdom Now there's two other kingdoms That we don't see That I believe are just unaccounted for No

[01:23:00] Hello Yes, we were also arguing We'll get to it But there was another There's another space you see in the film And your girlfriend was arguing That perhaps that was a kingdom And I was arguing it was not Because it's not underwater But it kind of is

[01:23:12] And it felt like it wasn't on their radar Like they weren't really keeping tabs on that thing But they are also kind of They kind of talk about the trench And the other two kingdoms Is sort of like written off Like no one's heard from those kingdoms

[01:23:22] In forever Right But then when you get to Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom It's filled with dinosaurs It's the worst kingdom It's an underground ocean Thank you That's a good joke They're dinosaurs in that kingdom That's true Unaddressed by the way They're just sort of walking around

[01:23:38] It's at the core of the earth I want to be clear that this film is very good Very good It's a fine film Ten stars Fish Can we Ten of plankton I don't want to regurgitate material here But Ben can you pull up your Twitter review

[01:23:56] Just so we can go over those talking points I want to make sure we cover them Sure But another thing that's happening I mean you would sort of systematically Whenever a new element got introduced Run over to me like Everything They got everything They're covering everything

[01:24:11] It's all the things I think at one point it said I have to take oath of silence now You did say that Because this movie is too good I can't talk We're eating Cheetos Popcorn out of a bucket Drinking bottled water Because we're aqua boys

[01:24:24] And Ben and David are on either side Of me losing their mind Yep So then they very quickly They very quickly get to the gladiatorial battle Right Yeah, well so right They have a little combo In like a fucking ghost ship With an air bubble With Willem Dafoe

[01:24:42] Where he's like Yeah, I'm not really warm sky I'm your guy No, Zuko can breathe Oh you're saying in an air bubble Not they make an air bubble He's a Volko Volko I'm sorry Fucking Christ Zuko is from the last air bubble They had the combo

[01:24:57] Where Willem Dafoe was like I know I'm working for warm but I'm on your side Doll's hair is just Waving in the water Also they have the thing where it's like If they're talking underwater There's kind of like an echo to their voice

[01:25:09] Which works better than it sounds Which are just like God, the balls they have to commit To all of this shit There's one scene that's just James Wan's balls Yep Just a shot of them Yeah and you commit to it And you're like God these are great

[01:25:22] This movie feels like And I want to make it clear I say this in a positive way You know like the hacky joke Like of like Oh do a bunch of cocaine And try to write your screenplay Sure This feels like a movie where every step

[01:25:33] Was done on cocaine But it feels like Where the screenplay was written on cocaine Post production was done on cocaine But it feels like The screenplay was written by Atlanteans On cocaine Correct You know what I mean Because we got to get this part

[01:25:44] About our culture into the movie Right You know what I mean Yeah and we should mention There was a part in our screening Where the projector broke down Because the Cineopolis employee had tried to pour Cocaine into the projector As was written on his instruction

[01:25:57] It wasn't his fault Play it loud So when they're having the secret meeting Orms, sea cops, arrest Arthur he's brought to Orm justice You know for an Orm summit Ocean justice I believe they call Yeah warm, warm, warm That involves a big chain

[01:26:14] There are four big Orm chains Yes And Orm servants are holding Arthur that's kind of cool Kinda Excuse me Well said Wait did you want him to read the Twitter? Yeah I mean we don't do that At any point I just feel like you should go over

[01:26:29] Those bullet points I'm ready when you Let's do it Okay so my tweet Composed yesterday Sunday afternoon We saw Saturday night I needed some time to think And here it goes Aquaman is my movie made for me It's wet as fuck Huge beast Sea crime Synth music

[01:26:58] Parkour happens With the intonation Water lasers Someone is called Ocean Master Wow And again So fucking wet Wet Ten stars The music is very interesting Cause it's very synthy And I think it reminds me I was like What does this score remind me of

[01:27:23] And what it reminds me of Is the Daft Punk Tron Legacy Score Which is a movie An amazing score Also kinda reminds me of In terms of just like The sheer world building visual audacity Commitment to a dorky thing That's pretty niche in popularity

[01:27:37] I liked Rupert's score for One Woman And I like this score too Cause it's a great movie They also feel like That score which is kinda synthy Combined with the Dolph Lundgren Casting Feels like I said this to you This tip of a hat To the alternate universe

[01:27:56] What if post Burton Batman Instead of studios making the Shadow and Dick Tracy They made other DC characters The Aquaman Right there is a very clear Imaginary 1991 Yandaban directed Dolph Lundgren Aquaman That's what that movie would have been It would have been 90% on land Right Cause they couldn't

[01:28:16] Float a helicopter at some point It would have been everyone holding their breath Totally What else are you gonna do Jesus But this movie you go like How did they have the technology to pull this off I don't know Because most of the movies wire work They're underwater

[01:28:31] They're like floating The vast majority of the film And um Wire work shit is really difficult P.S It's really painful Water It's hard to act It's hard to like do dialogue scenes In wires But they also As we all know Water makes it better I have seen

[01:28:49] Ben would bankrupt a studio Cause like They'd be like We got this romcom He's like underwater please Pour a bucket on it How did this romcom Go to 300 billion over budget If I made it underwater Film the whole thing in a tank Ben Hosley's been arrested

[01:29:07] Alright go on No I remember seeing James Wan Like 18 months ago When they were filming this They were posting videos of how they were doing it And it was like A lot of the Harris CGI Which is a fucking nightmare But it kind of has to be

[01:29:19] Right some of the characters have real tight like man buns Yeah they're some top knots Willem Dafoe and Patrick Wilson Yeah right That's a top knot Man bun was the guy who was sitting in front of us Who looked like a beta Jason Momoa Uh huh

[01:29:31] At this point in the movie They are full on making out That's great Like a hardcore like five minutes in a car prayer Making out What I was gonna say is They had to build like I believe like mechanical arms So that they were moving

[01:29:45] They weren't just in like harnesses Right But also other arms for like props And for like the flowing of their costume Or their hair or shit like that Like insane shit And that's how difficult it is To shoot the live action elements

[01:29:57] Before you even have to render this shit Right Which like the density of the imagery in this movie Is bananas I was talking to Esther Who had interviewed James Wan I'm gonna get, I assume a piece will go up So there'll be more

[01:30:08] But one thing she was telling me was that the submarine scene He said was the hardest scene Because they built a genuine submarine And sunk it In like a giant tank of water And so it was on like hydraulics

[01:30:18] You know and they were like tilting it all over I'm punching David cause that's good I accept your punches So that all is great Crazy So then right Orm shows up and he's like what's up Arthur Fuck you I'm the ocean master and Arthur's like

[01:30:34] I don't like you And he's like oh are you challenging me Is that a challenge Is that a challenge Yeah fine it's a challenge Yeah Arthur's like yeah whatever bro Right so they suit up The amount of times Ben is adjusted by my crew They suit up

[01:30:47] And Mira's like you can't fucking challenge him man And is this one she puts on the dress made of jellyfish Correct Correct But first she talks to him She's like you don't understand You know if you lose this challenge you're fucked And like this is his world

[01:31:02] He's gonna aqua fuck you man Like it's bad Meanwhile I am engaged to him yes so I have to put on my jellyfish dress And watch from a box Is he aqua Right and he and Defoe are like You're the only one who can unite the kingdoms

[01:31:16] But he keeps on saying to everyone like I have no interest in this I mostly drink beer Yeah I'm getting out of here as quickly as possible Sure Classic refusal of the call And yeah there's some prophecy about a fucking aqua person

[01:31:29] Who's gonna fucking unite the aqua kingdom Defoe says I believe in you shockbait This is You can get us out of the dentist's office This is the thing Apart from the reference you just made Which was good Thank you Shockbait Yes Moni The plot is so simple

[01:31:48] The plot is just he's from another world And he's gonna unite the kingdoms And get the magic trident That's a plot it's a checklist of kingdoms You have to go to to get the trident There's a section where it becomes an Indiana Jones movie Definitely

[01:32:03] Which is right after Searching for clues Right But like it somehow manages to be so dense And do the whole black mint of origin Origin of his costume And then a big fight and tease for future movies I just can't believe Warner Brothers didn't streamline this

[01:32:19] Into the significantly less expensive And less alienating movie That is just like most of it's on land And it's him searching for the trident And they have fun banter Yeah right right right Cause I remember like a year ago What was clearly leaked by Warner Brothers

[01:32:35] Like reactions from a test screening Right Where they were like it's so much fun The DC universe is back Yeah it was the first thing And their analogy first they said it's like actually really fun It's like a romancing the stone type thing Right

[01:32:48] And I'm like did Warner Brothers think they were making Romancing the stone Because the two of them go searching for an object at one point But like it's not that movie And you could see Warner Brothers being like make that movie Sure But they didn't

[01:33:00] No they have a bit of that Yes What they did is they made a movie where an octopus Placed drums And I saw that Yeah And I went well now the world's different Well because usually most drummers only have two arms But this

[01:33:13] A drum kit you have several different skins to hit Right Yeah we only got two arms to do it with Yeah Yeah but what if you're having an aqua gladiatorial battle For example You gotta hire a pus So they have the big fight

[01:33:25] I want no trouble in the future From here on out referring to octopus as slowly as Plus That means the only pus you're getting Hey Come on Hey Get out of here please Yeah that was stupid They have the big fight Patrick Wilson wins

[01:33:41] Well you don't have a girlfriend anymore either No woman's allowed to look at me after this episode Publishes Right and wait a second For their safety Apparently we become key witnesses in the Muller investigation Just reading this on my phone right now Oh boy Oh god oh weird

[01:34:01] Al Pacino's gonna play me on Saturday Night Live Oh wait he's waking up Ah The dogs are delicious What do you think Aquaman I loved it it was soaking wet Like a big wet pile of garbage Roger Roger Oh there he is he's drifting away as the tide

[01:34:26] Sinking back to his pile Classic December low tide Woo So They have the fight they lose Mira intervenes Saves him Yes And that's when they go on their quest Right She evades the hydro cannons Of course As one must do Then Then do they go to the desert

[01:34:46] Right Right Yes Because they have the doohickey Right they play I wanna just really quick Please please As they're exiting Yeah The city You realize It's a It's almost like a Air fight Right or a space fight Yes But in the ocean His pitch is underwater space

[01:35:10] That's James Wan's big idea 100% which I love I really love Right What if it was more complicated and more expensive To produce on screen Right But at some point We've cut back to Blackmanta Yeah he's around Honest thing Rayship And Worms man come to him Yes Because he

[01:35:32] I eject the submarine On Orm's behalf So you find out To use it in a submarine Like false flag attack To give Worm justification To attack the surface world Duh Right because The intro is so Like you're like The basic stuff is

[01:35:46] You're like why is he doing this This moment is gonna be the first Moment that Blackmanta realizes That sea people exist Aquaman's gonna drag him into this world Yeah When in fact he's been a mole Right Fighting against humanity The landlubbers And another thing though

[01:36:00] You're wondering how do people Do they call each other on the phone This is what I wanted to get to What's crucial Do they have What do they have As a communication technology It's like a water hologram What tech Water forms into Orm's body

[01:36:15] Now this is the body of Orm He's the fucking ocean master It's similar No simple body It's similar like a vibranium dust Wrist watch thing That Black Panther does But I think this affects actually better I love it Well I like the vibranium

[01:36:27] The vibranium is really cool though I like that Because it's like the The little pin things You know what I don't like about it What? I don't like that it's in color Sure Like I like the Aquaman thing Where they're all like blue tinted

[01:36:40] And I don't like in Black Panther Which I recently rewatched That it's like the little pin dust thing And then it just becomes like a full color Danny Guerrero I mean I agree with you that The fact that they turn water blobs Into Patrick Wilson's body

[01:36:52] Makes a lot of sense And the thing we've both been asking for for years Right Anyway The other thing I love is that But so there you go Here's your money No, no but that's the best part He's like here's your money And pays him in like doublet

[01:37:04] Yes Gold, Atlantean coins Like what's the fucking Black Panther Gonna do with a treasure chest Of pirate gold Melt the gold and then buy More sea crime tools So then Black Panther Throw us the gold coins back at them And he's like I don't want that

[01:37:20] I want revenge Right So Orm's like okay do you want like A bunch of weird Atlantean tech Right so you're like a pro bono Yeah Black ops, human Human Atlantean justice Sea crime Right so they give a bunch of tech

[01:37:36] There's a montage of him making the black mantisuit This is in the middle of the movie He like paints it And he reworks it And like the lasers are so powerful They split the helmet half And he says they're gonna need a bigger helmet

[01:37:48] Oh by the way three Oscars got Flung at the screen during the montage Uh actually I think blew my microphone I can't hear it anymore You pulled your Oh is that what I did? Did you pull yourself out? No I don't know what I did Ben's coming over

[01:38:05] Oh boy Can you still hear me though? Yeah Okay so I'm gonna keep doing this Oh I hit a button He hit a button folks I hit a button folks Alright so But yes at this point They go to the desert

[01:38:20] And a cover of Africa by Toto plays Which is Pitbull Correct It is a cover and it's by Pitbull They charter a flight unexplained With a pilot not explained Pitbull did that song There's a Toto cover Correct By Pitbull And some lady Some lady saying

[01:38:37] Now Toto is having a moment Africa by Toto is having the best week ever It's become very me-me It has Which is largely because we's are covered it Yeah I don't want to get into this So it's also weird because it's like Pitbull covering Africa

[01:38:50] Which I see was many months in advance I don't fucking know The music in this movie is demented They're on a plane with a goat and they both jump out of the plane They jump out of the plane Because the desert is like the sea of the land

[01:39:02] And the Aquaman Sand is like water The Aquaman Arthur Is like Sand is dry water Dummy hello We're supposed to be in the ocean Not the sand Hello We're supposed to be in the ocean once They set up that Atlantis was a land city

[01:39:18] And they got two into the water tech Yeah right I mean the classic myth of Atlantis was it was a A continent that fell I know but that this is the birth of the modern Sea world that we now know And also That they're downfall Right Shemu

[01:39:34] They're downfall Please refer to him by his proper name Their downfall is that They got two into hydrokinnons But they're tech ruined then The thing is like the tech ruined us Our continent fell into the sea Luckily we kept the tech Right And learned to breathe underwater

[01:39:50] So you know come sea come sun We lost a couple generations to drowning And some of us turned into fish And some of us turned into monsters Some of us just vanished but whatever So now it's like a series of Like you go to another country

[01:40:03] And you find a clue And the clue sends you to the next clue The clue is like It's karma sand It is Yeah and like the old king is like Oh I'm fucking Aquaman the first My fucking trident's over fucking there Right You gotta go over there

[01:40:17] They need water to activate Sure you could have been on it The thing is she pulls it out of this sweat They're trying to get Mira shit to do I mean it's the only complaint I have About the movie is Amber Heard's kind of just not very interesting

[01:40:28] She's not a very charismatic performer In my opinion I'm sorry to say it I will say this On the record She is not my number one favorite living actor I'm trying to think if she's ever like I kind of liked her in Friday night lights

[01:40:44] Which was her first movie I forgot that was her I never saw all the boys love Mandy Lane Which is the one that kind of made her But then the movie never got released But she started getting all the parts because of that

[01:40:57] I forgot she was in pineapple express I see I remember she's in that She says girlfriend in it Alpha dog, yeah, she's Seth Morgan's Alpha dog is the one with Justin Timberlake She's been in a lot of crummy movies Informers never back down

[01:41:11] She's in Magic Mike XXL which I actually think she's fine in Oh I think that's the best she's ever been I think that's the best she's ever been But you know largely When she's in her smell coming next year In a pretty small role

[01:41:23] Oh she is good in that I do too No it's not a small role, it's a fairly big role It's sort of like the third or fourth lead Like I don't know You're right So it's not like she's But in this she's fine

[01:41:35] I'm gonna give her shit to do Mira's got some cool action scenes She's got cool water powers, you're doing a face No I just found some weird things on her I'm gonna be gone Sorry And yeah she's alright Yeah But she's just like I really

[01:41:52] I think Wilson is having a lot of fun He knows what movie he's having I think Kidman's having a lot of fun Wilson's doing like a Max Von Sider As Ming the Merciless Franklin Gellis Skeletor And you know Lundgren is just sort of a blast

[01:42:07] To see him like So nice to see him See him in Lines What a big fall for him You mean like the sea Creed 2, yeah This fall is all about Lundgren Rising Hey This fall Lundgren Rises Alright so they get the message

[01:42:26] Basically they gotta do this last mission To get the trident Where they have to put a broken bottle In a statue's hand So it becomes a compass And they get to meet all the nice Italian people And Merrick considers humans for the first time But who shows up

[01:42:39] Yeah this Sicily stuff is kinda cute Parkour She eats the rose that's funny They got excited because of the parkour She eats the rose though that's funny She turns wine into daggers That's cool That's just cool You realize it's not just water

[01:42:50] She can also turn wine into daggers Any liquid Wine knives And Black Manta shows up and makes a big old mess With his laser guns Great scene A lot of fun Crashing through walls Yeah at this point I'm just like You know I'm at stimuli overload

[01:43:07] I'm locked in It's pretty You're right Yes There's so much shit going on And intercut with their travels across the The land of men Yeah You've had a orn going to these different kingdoms And not being very nice He goes to see Jean Monhoon-Sue

[01:43:22] Who unquestionably spent more time In the makeup chair than he did In front of cameras You don't think it's just CGI It's kind of mocap It is makeup James Wands said it was makeup Make-up? He said it was make-up Oh maybe it was an app

[01:43:37] No he said it was makeup James Wands said it was a practical design Interesting Okay He's unrecognizable He has three lines of dialogue Yeah he's like I won't join your war And Orm's like How about this Trying to chest You're dead And then the air is like

[01:43:53] A little girl Fish woman Yeah and they kidnapped her I don't know Another thing I just want to talk about The movement Underwater is very funny Like when they're being very dramatic And then they sort of just like Float away I really like that I love that

[01:44:09] Orm has one moment where he arrests Willem Dafoe Where he's like Yes take him away And then he kind of just like Backs back What do you call it back strokes Rules And then Oh Arthur You know they beat Black Manta Like falls to off a cliff

[01:44:28] So you know he'll be back Right You're really entranced by whatever You found it You found like the fucking secret of Curly's Gold in there I did find the secret of Curly's Gold Now I was trying to figure out who played The Aquaman The Fisherman princess

[01:44:41] Sophia Forest is certainly It's nobody in particular No Okay You also should say Randall Park is on TV Is Steven Shin Doctor Shin Yes Wants to catch the Aquaman Arthur finally makes it To a whirlpool-y thing There's the trench kingdom There's all these monsters The sea monsters

[01:45:03] Best image in the movie Because they steal a boat Aquaman gets knocked out He wakes up on a boat And he's like did you steal this And she was like those boats were not for public taking They have what's almost a romantic scene

[01:45:19] But this movie almost doesn't care about giving them any Right this is if Wonder Woman had a truly genuine Like touching boat scene Right where they like make a connection This is Aquaman's version of that Which is super perfunctory But he realizes there

[01:45:32] Near the whirlpool near the trench He grabs a flare And then dives in and they go to this Insane wide shot of him Diving down to the lowest depths of the ocean It's very cool with the flares in their hands

[01:45:45] Sort of it looks like a fucking ant farm Or something With all these trench creatures coming behind him It's only lit by the red of the light It's fire but it's dark It's scary And then they get sucked into a whirlpool

[01:45:58] Because all the trench creatures come up on the boat And fight No there's lots of them do But then they go down Then they go down Because they know it's too many of them They go to the whirlpool They end up on a beach

[01:46:09] In the center of the earth Obviously Filled with dinosaurs Yeah filled with dinosaurs Fucking obviously As we all know the center of the earth is a beach In the middle of the fucking ocean with dinosaurs And Nicole Kidman and she's got a big old man Hair do

[01:46:21] With a bone The grey wig The armor is bones Yeah she's got a lobster claw I should have added that to my list Bones are in this too It would be funny if it was just bones It's bone in your Tinder profile My interests are bones Sea crime

[01:46:37] Huge beasts You should make your Raya profile Just your Aquaman review All great Ben's on Raya now by the way Ben's become a FAMO He's a FAMO That's true So Nicole End up marrying an influencer Listen to his classroom crush episode

[01:46:53] There's a lot of Raya talking that one So Nicole's there obviously We knew she wasn't dead Yeah And she's like Hey what's up Trident's through there I mean won't let me have it I love you Love you You're great good guy Right this creature

[01:47:07] Everyone's too scared to get the Trident So maybe you're a pissy baby pants Or maybe you're the brave one And there's a pile of bones from the deads Who've tried Bad sign But what can Arthur do That no one else can do United two tangos Well true

[01:47:24] But no he can talk to fishies Oh he can talk to fishies Which in the movie we know Aquaman can talk to fish And he does this thing where he sort of Psychically communicates with them Right Oh cause there's a scene where as a child

[01:47:35] He's at the aquarium and they replicate The finding Nemo poster Where all the creatures are flying around Yeah It's pretty cool But they take this long to really fully reveal Like yeah only he can do that Yes That's not like classic Atlantean power Right

[01:47:49] And so he's this giant squid That's the size of a fucking skyscraper It's played by Cami Award winner Jolene Andrews We all know why even waste the breath saying You just said that very like matter of fact I figured Ben had no opinion on the matter

[01:48:01] It's a fucking skyscraper sized sea creature That's ancient and talks It does talk but that's the thing where she's talking And she's like I will crush your bones Ha ha ha And then she's like wait you can understand me

[01:48:13] This story came out that she did a voice role For Aquaman and everyone was like Jolene Andrews isn't in Mary Poppins But she is in Aquaman And when I heard that I'm like oh she must play A fucking box jellyfish that's all colorful And sweet right

[01:48:26] That's what I thought Like she's gonna play Mrs. Pops She's gonna play like the divine presence of the ocean Yeah right exactly She'll play Gaia or something Right instead they have her play like a Bob Hoskins role It's fucking rules Right there

[01:48:37] Where are you going in more ocean I also think like just cause people are like Complaining about the Mary Poppins thing I think it is fully to her credit that she's not in Mary Poppins I agree Her reasoning is it would delegitimize Emily Blunt

[01:48:51] To be in the movie Right She wanted to pay respect It would totally fucking stick out with her sore thumb It would fucking stick out with her sore thumb And she's like oh hello Mary Right she was like I don't want to be there

[01:48:59] And be like I'm the real Mary Poppins Fuck you Emily Blunt And I think that she you know She can't really sing anymore Cause she's done all this you know And like the role that have you seen it I forget I have not seen it yet

[01:49:08] Right the role that she One imagines would have played Angel Lansbury Angel Lansbury you know does involve singing Yeah So maybe that was an obstacle as well cause I mean Dick Van Dyke obviously shows up in the movie But that's all you need But he's playing a character

[01:49:20] He was already established playing in the universe The son of that character The son of that character If she showed up in Mary Poppins Return It would be the same bummer that happens Every time they shoehorn in one of those ghostbusters cameos In the five movie

[01:49:31] Which you and I both agree that is the biggest problem With that movie It's a pretty good movie except for that shit Every time they do that shit The movie grinds to a halt to have acrobyte Especially when acrobyte I ain't afraid of no ghost Hey Lady ghostbusters

[01:49:42] Yeah I give it The acroid I mean cab driver Seal of approval Gotta go It's like the most distracting thing in the world And it delegitimizes their attempts to make a new thing Wow I'm looking at my levels It's like an earthquake happened in this episode

[01:50:00] The screen looks like a series of wine daggers Just sharp red lines Oh we're doing so great This is a great episode Okay fine You want this to be the one we submit to the obis this year? Yes So we can only pick one No this is it

[01:50:16] This is it This is our 2018 obi submission Just remember last year, one year ago We're talking last Jedi It's like three hours in And both of us have knives to each other I rate we warned everyone It's the worst thing we've ever done

[01:50:28] Maybe we shouldn't even release it Right We forget to mention that like in the movie Like Luke Skywalker appears You know what I mean Like you know Fast forward a year later We got sea crime I mean Ben couldn't be happier

[01:50:41] And that's what the holiday season is all about Happy holidays Yeah happy holidays So he gets the fucking dagger I mean tried and It's cool Yeah Does like a sonar thing Free Keep it simple stupid Shows back up Here's my favorite part

[01:50:55] Now he's in the full fucking classic And he's like this And there's that monologue Or that exchange where She's like Atlantis needs more than a king What could it need A hero A hero He is super hero He shows back up to Atlantis In the middle of fucking

[01:51:13] Orm versus the crab people Which I love Where James Wands like excuse me There's already like a Lord of the Rings battle Between Orm and John Rhys Davies as a crab They're shooting fucking lasers at each other It looks like exactly They're like running into each other

[01:51:27] And maybe you're thinking Because you haven't seen the movie But like are these like regular size Crabs Very large They're huge And like right this is We've heard like two tossed off mentions Of a quote unquote Brian King Right and like we basically cut to like

[01:51:42] Patrick Wilson wrestling with a crab That's going like I will never submit to you fucking Orm You know like Because let's make it clear There are two things that are not introduced Until two full hours into this movie One of them is the Brian King Right

[01:51:56] And the other one is Aquaman's costume Correct And then he puts it in on the two hour mark Yep and he rides in on Julie Andrews Right who let's like full credit I was running this through my head As I was watching it I was watching it

[01:52:10] I was watching it That was a makeup That was practical That was practical This is I believe The biggest creature I've ever seen Anyone depict in a movie Certainly that someone might ride No but even beyond that You think just beyond that

[01:52:25] I was looking at it's a little hard to get perspective Because they're in the sea So you only can go against the size of the people And the ships that she's swatting away But I was like I think this is bigger than any depiction of Godzilla Sure

[01:52:36] I mean the scale of the thing There's a moment where you see all the like Stingray ships flying towards her And they literally look like gnats It's true And they have people inside of them She's big It's humongous This is I truly think the biggest

[01:52:49] Living creature I've ever seen in a movie What about Ego the living planet I guess we never see him at planets Thank you He takes a human form the whole time I know Sort of disappointing when you think about it At one point he becomes like a crater

[01:53:02] That was cool I loved it I know it's a good movie It's a good movie A plus Oh interesting Ben's just written A plus on a piece of paper Ben is Now I just need to mail this off to He's a pre-addressed envelope to The Warner Brothers

[01:53:18] And the Warner sister at Dodds The water tower This episode's so good Yeah, you got your final Orm vs. Arthur Trident Fight In which Arthur shows Mercy Orm by the way has that awesome The Ocean Master costume Which is that like red and silver helmet

[01:53:41] Here's a crazy thing A level of silliness I have not seen Any superhero movie committing to The metal moves Yes Yes we agree Because like in superhero comics Like Batman his like faces articulated subtly Like if they want Batman to look concerned or scared

[01:53:55] His mask will kind of shrink Right, yeah Move so that his eyebrows can express and whatever The closest they've come is Spider-Man Homecoming Gives him mechanical eyes Which is cool But it's not the same thing Which is cool This one's literally puts the mask on

[01:54:07] And the mask is now animated And it has the full expressiveness of Patrick Wilson's face Correct When that happened I said that it was good Yes Throw another Oscar Yeah, of course But you know it's like how like when God created the earth It's like after day five

[01:54:20] It's like then he made all the fucking beasts Saw that it was good Yeah When I saw that I saw that it was good Yeah And he doesn't kill them And Orm's like it's our way You must kill me Right, it's a fight that's so humongous

[01:54:31] That it doesn't It's hard to even like process what's happening Sure They're like Zooming all over the place Five billion creatures But it's very short It's very short I feel like Final Fights normally You're like God, can we just end this?

[01:54:44] I got really worried when he showed up That we were going to get like 45 minutes of that Once he got the Trident It's kind of like game set and match That's the idea And I love the idea that they're just like No, he's the most powerful

[01:54:54] He just stops everyone And so now He's got Julien and Kraken, Drew's And he's got the Trident And now it's just like five minutes of him owning Then he pulls Orm up onto a boat Yeah And then he's like he beats him

[01:55:08] And he's like I'm not killing you Yeah Because that's you know we need a new world order here He's maybe realized the whole way it led to his work Seems very Kind of fucked Fucked, yeah It's very ancient Rome A lot of betrayal Right

[01:55:22] And then the movie ends with Tomorrow Morrison walking into the pier And Nicole Kidman comes back Yeah, it's great A burst of new tears Make credit scene You got Steven Shin Rescues Black Manta Right No end credit scene

[01:55:33] I was really hoping they were going to set up like Etrigan the demon Or like Detective Chimper just like Because at this point you're like Nothing's off the table Right, yeah They've gone full DC And this is my big thought, okay

[01:55:45] Much more of a Marvel guy than a DC guy Yes But I do like that it feels like maybe DC is starting to embrace what they should be doing Which is A, DC Comics is far more about the universe Than it is about the characters

[01:55:59] And be more high fantasy about it That's the other thing Yeah But that's what I mean by saying it's more about the universe Because DC is into like the structures of these societies And the rules and the backstory And so the characters don't have characterization

[01:56:11] But Marvel the whole thing was like Stanley was like They're humans first And DC it's like So first of all you need to know that his great-grandfather Grew up on the planet Blarfegar Like that's how DC Comics works

[01:56:22] Well, the other thing that DC will do is they'll be like That's right You asked for it We're going to reorder the universe into a new system That's very complicated in a different way Right, and their multiverse is so crazy And all that sort of shit

[01:56:36] That I'm just like make the movies like fucking high dork fantasy You know Just like owning into it And you know where that plays? Sea operas Overseas Yes Over the seven seas And that's the thing This movie I think they were just like Let's embrace all of it

[01:56:50] And if it doesn't work domestically We're going to make such bank overseas Where this movie will translate because it's largely visual And exposition Right Things that don't get lost in translation It's not emotional performances or comedy Or anything like that Yes It has made I think

[01:57:05] How much it like 200 million dollars in China already I think it's maybe up to 220 I'm going to check Which is crazy It's been out there for like 10 days And it's made over 200 million dollars in China This is a movie designed for China Yes

[01:57:17] It has made 266 million dollars worldwide So far It'll do good in Atlantis It's going to do great in Atlantis They also don't have Netflix there So you know Although they, which is ironic Because there is a lot of streaming Oh boy Give me a dollar

[01:57:36] Alright take a dollar Thank you It's projected to open around 100 million For the five day Christmas You know Weekend I do think actually this movie will claim the work I think it will Probably Make around the same money that Justice League did But with a far better perception

[01:57:56] A far smaller budget And it'll perform infinitely better overseas Right Yeah, I think that's true So I think it'll do well Right Justice League ended at two Let me look it up Like right on the nugget Justice League made 229 million dollars Domestic 657 worldwide So bad

[01:58:15] Like that's you know 428 Like Aquaman is going to do like venom numbers Yes I think Aquaman will make about 200 million Domestic Like 190 to 210 And it'll close to a billion worldwide Yeah it'll make between 8 and 950 Because Alright so here's what we got this weekend Aquaman Bumblebee Yes

[01:58:35] Which I don't think is going to do that well No although I've heard it's very charming Everyone says good But I do feel like there's not really like A lot of excitement It just feels like they're such a short divide Buzz

[01:58:46] Okay, well I'm taking a dollar back from you Um David Demanding a recount No I feel like You do not like the film But Mary Poppins has been a charming audience That's the hot one Right Well because as you said Aquaman works as a counter program

[01:59:03] But if you're going to see a family movie It's going to be Mary Poppins It's not going to be Bumblebee And Bumblebee's kind of caught in a weird Mid-zone between Aquaman and Mary Poppins There's also a second act Which I guess will make like 14 million dollars

[01:59:16] Or whatever the two of them are Yeah a movie I did not audition for You did? Did not Okay right It has a weird twist Have you seen it? No I made Richard tell me the twist Weird Um it's crazy And then of course Welcome to Marwin

[01:59:30] Which I think is tracking at 400 million Opening weekend Right? 2.4 billion No 400's the preview night project That's just IMAX 3D Previous Marwin media! I'm so amped Well boy welcome to Marwin Welcome to low ticket sales I hope they do welcome me Because the thing about Welcome to Marwin

[01:59:49] Is it only costs 40 million dollars It looks expensive But it wasn't that expensive They swapped that It was supposed to come out like a month ago And they swapped the release dates with Green Book Because they got so bullish on Green Book

[01:59:59] That we're not saving this for Christmas Green Book which is underperforming Probably would do better Christmas Both probably would have done better If they kept the original date to hand Marwin's not gonna do great anywhere No son Anyway so that's our box office predictions

[02:00:13] Because we can't play a game Right but do we say what Poppins? Poppins Opening It's opening two days earlier It opens on Wednesday The 19th The 19th So Poppins is probably gonna make a fortune Yeah Like 135 or 40 I don't know

[02:00:30] Poppins is gonna make like well over 300 million dollars Oh total yes Right I mean I'm at opening weekend Yeah the other thing that no one's talking about Is that the Grinch is gonna make Grinch is killing Which I feel like no one's talking about

[02:00:43] It opens big and it's not dropping at all Mule opening And it's gonna be so well over Christmas 17 opening for Mule Right which Clint is a grower not a shower His movie's Multiply You see in this movie He really will In Spiderverse is kicking around

[02:00:58] And that had gotten an A plus cinema score So that's gonna do well That's the critic starling weirdly of all these films It is And then Mortal Engines 7.5 Yeah but these cities got wheels baby What if Mortal Engines pulled a great ass showman It'd have to

[02:01:14] Cause that's a great ass showman Great ass showman opened like seven Yeah Yeah And then next week I did 15 Look I feel bad for Mortal Engines I do too Seems like they were proven to be very mortal Those engines It's true

[02:01:29] So I got a little weird merchandise spotlight here Cause I just knew there was like a lot of stuff produced For this film And I was like I talk about the toys and all that shit You know on reddit people have been cataloging All the video game tie-ins

[02:01:40] Which we never really cover But they've mentioned that video games Have kind of died Video game tie-ins And now you pretty much get an app You know there'll be an app game They'll do a reskin of a jungle run Or whatever fucking temple run or whatever

[02:01:53] But I was like what are the other categories In which they're producing tie-in Aquaman stuff So I went to the whole line of Aquaman books I feel like there's a thing we haven't talked about much Where it's like you got a big blockbuster

[02:02:03] You release a lot of books Here's the Aquaman chooser and adventurer Here's the junior novelization Here's the picture book version Right I found two that I find pretty interesting That I was going to buy Barnes & Noble and bring in today To gift the two of you for Christmas

[02:02:17] And I forgot One of them is called Before he was Aquaman Undertow An original novel Ben here's the cover Got some squids Splashing waves and a squid Good title Now this is the YA fiction version of Aquaman I understand It's the tortured, emotional

[02:02:37] I don't know where I belong Aquaman teen novel The Aquaman Twilight if you will That's cool You know The other one He smokes like a waterbong Yeah, yeah definitely He hangs out on a porch This is the one I was going to buy for David It's called

[02:02:54] Aquaman Arthur's Guide to Atlantis Oh, I like this And this book purports to be Arthur's diary as a child While he was training with Willem Dafoe So it's written in the voice of a Surly child Jason Momoa With entries from 13 year old Aquaman, aka Arthur Curry

[02:03:12] This guy provides everything you need To know about the Hidden Kingdom Right From the city's amphibious population Looking at the weapons and the arm revolt 144 pages, and chain notes Journal entries exclusively never seen Four of our photos So it's essentially just a world-building

[02:03:26] Mythology in the voice of a Surly teenager Cool That's my merchandise I don't know what to tell you folks What can I tell you? My Michael B. Jordan production Is proving to be foolish Seems like he will not get nominated That was a

[02:03:40] That's them fucking up if they do that I know But then Sam Elliott also missed A couple noms But he got his sag down He's in He's in But I don't think he's going to win anymore No, I think your winner is Richard B. Grant

[02:03:50] Which will be nice He's a lovely man And that dude knows how to campaign That's a dude who wins at a cocktail party Much like Sam Elliott Who was my prediction earlier That's him guy never got credit Well, and also everyone's worked with him

[02:04:01] You know, it's one of It's like the Rockwell win last year It's like, oh, I know Richard He's great And here's another thing It's a wonderful fucking performance It is Very lovely performance Very good performance Really, like cause like he's such Like his life is so miserable Yes

[02:04:17] And those early scenes where he's kind of keeping That on the down low And you sort of then he's just like Let's the facade slip Great And you know, you got a year where it's like Sam Elliott only has a couple key scenes In Star Wars 1

[02:04:29] It's not a huge part Adam Driver who now looks locked to get a Supporting Actor nom I would argue is a lead of that movie He's essentially a co-lead I'd argue they're co-leads But I'll allow it It's one of those things where I'm like

[02:04:41] Look, it's John David Washington's movie Yeah He's the one with the truly emotional arc And he has all the scenes with Laura Barrier I'm not gripping about it either I'm just saying I'm just saying, you know Like so it's like a little more his movie

[02:04:52] But there's certainly plenty of drivers I'm not gripping about it either I'm just saying I do like that Richard E. Grant is like That is a pure supporting performance Although he is the second lead Very meaty supporting But it is supporting

[02:05:04] Cause her real co-star in the movie is loneliness Yes But no, you know Cause driver's kind of like John David Washington's tool in that movie You know, so, you know In that way No, I get it I get it

[02:05:17] Well, who's good in vice does not get an invitation You don't want to But I would rather You want to Orm to get in Well, that's the dream Right But I mean, he has committed a lot of sea crime That's the best case

[02:05:28] He has, I mean, there are going to be some PR problems I don't know if even Peggy Siegel could spin that one You know, you've got fucking like Mira Sorvino And she's like best supporting actor at Orm And then she's like Oh, there's a note here

[02:05:38] To be clear, the character from Aquaman Not Patrick Wilson Orm, alright But I'm worried that if Rockwell misses Chalamet will get in And that performance is bad Well, this is your mountain you want to die on Yep I also feel like he's definitely getting it

[02:05:55] He's gotten every precursor I know But no one cares about the movie, I guess You know what I mean I don't think he's the one on the chopping block I think if Rockwell gets in He maybe pushes out Elliot Nah That's what the Globes did, my friend

[02:06:08] Yeah, but Globes are dope Yeah, they are To be clear And by the way, we would love to win a Golden Globe this year Yes, please Best original score Best supporting Orm Yeah, best Orm So do you want to talk verse still? We've done two hours

[02:06:23] We've done two hours? Yeah, I mean let's just throw a little spy verse in here Because people will talk about it I got a haircut at six What time is it now? 5.45 Can we You want to get out of here? We gotta do the abs Five minutes away

[02:06:35] Okay, fuck Okay, so you know what Here Oh god We're gonna get in the spy verse on our Shameless Q&A episode Sure Now it sounds like extortion But we didn't promise it at the beginning of the episode I kinda want to see it again anyway

[02:06:50] I do too and Ben has to see it Oh yeah So we'll talk verse If you subscribe To our Patreon Dotcom Slash blank check Get those numbers baby Yes, sorry David's the only monster Thank you all for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe

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