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[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:05] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to expect

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] I podcast you

[00:00:22] I podcast you

[00:00:24] Hey!

[00:00:25] Hey! I love that

[00:00:26] Hey everybody, my name's Griffin Newman

[00:00:29] My name's David Sims

[00:00:30] Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:32] We are hashtag the two friends

[00:00:33] This is a podcast where we go through filmographies of directors

[00:00:37] Who have early success and then get a series of blank checks to make whatever kind of projects they want

[00:00:42] Cinematically, sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby

[00:00:46] Good job

[00:00:47] Thank you, rapid time

[00:00:49] This is a mini-series that we're doing on the films of the wettest filmmaker in America

[00:00:55] James Cameron

[00:00:56] He's so wet

[00:00:57] He's soaking wet

[00:00:58] The movie is not that wet

[00:01:00] No, but wet moments

[00:01:01] Couple wet moments

[00:01:02] Waterfall

[00:01:03] Yeah

[00:01:04] Uh, Mesares is called Podnator, Judgment Cast

[00:01:07] And it's over

[00:01:08] I mean we have a bonus episode next week but uh

[00:01:10] This is the last film

[00:01:11] We're at the end for it

[00:01:12] This is the last film so I mean you know, emotions are high

[00:01:15] His last feature

[00:01:17] This is his last

[00:01:18] To date

[00:01:19] To date

[00:01:20] He's still with us Jimmy C

[00:01:21] He is very much still with us in our hearts and our minds and also in his home

[00:01:25] Where he lives

[00:01:26] He's not with us in his home

[00:01:28] Today we're talking his biggest film ever

[00:01:31] Yeah

[00:01:32] And the biggest film ever

[00:01:34] It's a 2009 release nominated for I think seven Academy Awards

[00:01:39] No more than that I think

[00:01:40] Really?

[00:01:41] Look it up

[00:01:42] Well didn't get screenplayed, maybe eight Academy Awards

[00:01:44] Uh, highest grossing film in history

[00:01:47] Domestically it's been toppled worldwide

[00:01:49] Not adjusted for inflation

[00:01:50] Right, adjusted for inflation it's the fifth highest grossing film in history

[00:01:53] It was a hit

[00:01:54] Big hit

[00:01:55] Solid triple

[00:01:56] You know what's going on today

[00:01:57] We're talking tar

[00:01:58] Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking tar

[00:02:00] It's the avatar

[00:02:01] Nine Oscar nominations

[00:02:03] Hey, wow that's a lot

[00:02:05] Talking avatar

[00:02:06] Talking tar

[00:02:07] This is Tartock

[00:02:09] Tartock

[00:02:10] Uh, I would do a cartock joke

[00:02:12] But I don't actually know how to do one

[00:02:13] I know they were named Click and Clack

[00:02:14] And I know one of them is dead

[00:02:16] RIP

[00:02:17] I only know that because of the Disney Pixar Cars franchise

[00:02:20] In which they appear as characters

[00:02:21] And then I am on Pixar message boards

[00:02:24] Where they posted when one of them died

[00:02:26] Okay

[00:02:27] Okay

[00:02:29] Avatar

[00:02:30] Talking Tart

[00:02:31] We're gonna talk tar

[00:02:32] I mean you can't avoid it

[00:02:34] Well we're trying to

[00:02:36] We're going straight into it

[00:02:38] Avatar

[00:02:39] Influential movie

[00:02:41] Yeah

[00:02:42] Uh, 3D

[00:02:43] Sure

[00:02:44] So here's the thing with this movie

[00:02:46] Mocap

[00:02:47] This movie is in three dimensions

[00:02:49] A lot of movies in two

[00:02:51] Especially before this

[00:02:53] And then after this people were like

[00:02:55] Why don't you give me the D

[00:02:57] And they weren't talking about De Chanel

[00:02:59] They were talking about adding a third dimension

[00:03:01] On to their movie

[00:03:02] Why don't you give me the DDD

[00:03:04] They said give me another D

[00:03:05] Uh huh

[00:03:06] Then went Caleb and then went no not Caleb

[00:03:08] Wow, this is a bad callback

[00:03:10] Zoe Bones

[00:03:11] I don't like this callback

[00:03:12] You don't like giving them the D?

[00:03:14] It's alright

[00:03:15] I don't know you did it a little too much on one of the episodes

[00:03:18] We've let it rest

[00:03:19] Um, alright

[00:03:21] Avatar

[00:03:22] Three dimensions

[00:03:23] He's worked in three dimensions before

[00:03:25] As you heard in our fascinating captivating recap

[00:03:27] Of his two documentaries

[00:03:30] Ghosts of the Abyss and Aliens of the Deep

[00:03:31] We might have made a mistake by releasing this

[00:03:33] The week after

[00:03:34] Ghosts of the Abyss and Aliens of the Deep

[00:03:35] Because people are just too excited

[00:03:36] Yeah, and they need some time to recover

[00:03:38] I mean you gotta let

[00:03:39] People have to listen to that episode four or five times

[00:03:41] For it to really sink in

[00:03:42] Well yeah, and also you have to listen backwards

[00:03:44] I hope you guys listen backwards

[00:03:45] Cause there's tons of clues

[00:03:46] Right

[00:03:47] Clues and hints about Blank Jack

[00:03:48] Mystery box

[00:03:49] That is, you know

[00:03:50] We are constantly putting things into

[00:03:51] Right

[00:03:52] Which of course is that Ben is dead

[00:03:53] Oh no

[00:03:55] Listen backwards

[00:03:56] It's fine he's a ghost so we can talk to him

[00:03:57] Hey ghost Ben

[00:03:59] Whoa

[00:04:00] Good good good improv

[00:04:01] My ghost Ben?

[00:04:03] Yeah ghost Ben

[00:04:04] The ghost do sir

[00:04:05] Yeah

[00:04:06] Go do our Ben

[00:04:08] The ghost laureate

[00:04:09] Yep

[00:04:10] Mr. Ghostediv

[00:04:11] Okay

[00:04:12] The ghost

[00:04:13] Alright

[00:04:14] The ghost breaker

[00:04:16] Okay

[00:04:17] Birthday ghosty

[00:04:19] Professor ghost

[00:04:20] Ghosty Benny

[00:04:22] Ghosty Benny

[00:04:24] The spirit master

[00:04:25] The ghost master

[00:04:26] Zool

[00:04:28] Gozer

[00:04:29] Gozer the gozerian

[00:04:31] Slimeware

[00:04:32] Yeah that's right it's Ben

[00:04:33] The taxicab ghost

[00:04:34] It's Ben alright enough

[00:04:36] He's graduated to certain titles over the course of different miniseries

[00:04:38] Okay

[00:04:39] This is Kylo Ben producer Ben Kanovi

[00:04:40] Ben say Ben Nye trauma Lon

[00:04:42] And say Benny thing

[00:04:44] And we're gonna need a new one for him

[00:04:45] Oh we gotta come up with that by the end today

[00:04:47] By the end of today

[00:04:48] Well no no no we need it

[00:04:50] We need the new one for him by the start of the next miniseries

[00:04:53] He graduates at the end of the miniseries

[00:04:55] That's true that is how it's been in the past miniseries

[00:04:57] Okay fair enough

[00:04:58] And so and I don't even think we need it on the Ben's Choice episode

[00:05:01] But it'd be nice to do it there

[00:05:03] That's true

[00:05:04] It'd be nice to anoint him

[00:05:05] It's his choice

[00:05:06] Yeah with holy oils

[00:05:07] It's his big day

[00:05:08] It's his big day

[00:05:09] I don't I mean we haven't even talked what we're gonna watch

[00:05:12] But stay tuned

[00:05:14] And I'll say this

[00:05:15] You know

[00:05:17] Professor Crispy maybe just got an ally

[00:05:20] Oh no

[00:05:21] That's why you left that

[00:05:23] Oh my god

[00:05:24] Yeah actually I

[00:05:26] I oh there it is

[00:05:28] He was eating cheerios guys alright

[00:05:31] You can call me Dr. Crunchy

[00:05:32] It's a nice little intro five minutes

[00:05:35] Let's talk about Avatar

[00:05:36] You can call me Dr. Crunchy

[00:05:38] Avatar

[00:05:39] Crisp and Crunch

[00:05:40] A sci-fi original

[00:05:42] Tell me the folks this fall

[00:05:43] Real quick can I just say

[00:05:44] Anything

[00:05:45] That intro was very crunchy

[00:05:47] Thank you

[00:05:48] Not crispy

[00:05:49] No

[00:05:50] You are not ghost professor Crispy

[00:05:52] I'm not

[00:05:53] No one is

[00:05:54] I'm Dr. Crunchy

[00:05:55] Sure

[00:05:56] Avatar

[00:05:57] Yeah okay talking tar

[00:05:59] So it's uh you got

[00:06:00] You got James Cameron

[00:06:01] He's riding high

[00:06:02] Right

[00:06:03] He made Titanic

[00:06:04] Titanic

[00:06:05] Titanic

[00:06:06] It made

[00:06:07] It's a very spooky episode

[00:06:08] Titanic

[00:06:09] It made a few million bucks

[00:06:10] Yeah a couple

[00:06:11] It was seen as a hit

[00:06:12] Made a billion or two

[00:06:13] And so the studio

[00:06:15] Fox

[00:06:16] Uh-huh

[00:06:17] The studio wrote him another

[00:06:18] Blank check

[00:06:19] Yeah they said you can do

[00:06:20] Whatever you want

[00:06:22] It's the premise of our show

[00:06:23] Right and he said I'll take

[00:06:24] 12 years and then make a

[00:06:25] Sam Worthington movie

[00:06:26] I'll take 12 years and make like

[00:06:28] A you know

[00:06:29] Last of them ohikens meets

[00:06:31] Fern Gully meets like aliens

[00:06:34] You know 3D 3 hour epic

[00:06:37] For ya guys you into that

[00:06:38] So I saw this movie

[00:06:39] Who's the star Sam Worthington

[00:06:41] I don't know who he is

[00:06:42] Don't worry we've got Zoe Saldana too

[00:06:44] Do you think every day when they were like

[00:06:46] Watching cause I guess they didn't have like

[00:06:48] Conventional dailies on this movie

[00:06:49] Cause it was most of it's like mocap

[00:06:51] They must have had something though

[00:06:52] Do you think when Fox was watching footage

[00:06:54] They were like I mean we don't get

[00:06:56] Sam Worthington but I guess he

[00:06:57] Must be onto something

[00:06:58] Like especially since he like

[00:07:00] Popped Leo you know

[00:07:02] Yeah I mean I'm just deferred to him

[00:07:04] No but they were hot for

[00:07:06] They were hot for Sam right

[00:07:07] Hollywood was hot for Sam

[00:07:09] But Hollywood wasn't hot for Sam

[00:07:10] Until Cameron hired him

[00:07:12] I understand that

[00:07:13] The story is that Sam Worthington

[00:07:14] Was living in his car when he got Avatar

[00:07:16] I know I know

[00:07:17] And then after that everyone was like

[00:07:18] I guess he must see something

[00:07:20] Like I think everyone hired him

[00:07:21] Just off the strength of Cameron

[00:07:23] We're not gonna start with Sam

[00:07:25] We're gonna start with Avatar

[00:07:26] We'll get to Sam

[00:07:27] I think Sam is great in this movie

[00:07:28] Talking about seeing the movie for the first time

[00:07:30] Oh Avatar

[00:07:31] Yeah talking to her

[00:07:32] Well so there been some hype

[00:07:33] I don't know there's been a little bit

[00:07:34] Of chatter about James Cameron

[00:07:36] Making another movie

[00:07:37] He debuted that footage at Comic Con

[00:07:39] Yeah

[00:07:40] And I had seen some of that

[00:07:41] And I was like

[00:07:42] You know

[00:07:43] I think my expectations were kind of low

[00:07:45] Itch

[00:07:46] Right weren't yours

[00:07:47] It was one of those things

[00:07:48] I don't know

[00:07:49] We can talk about you

[00:07:50] I had a whole roller coaster which is

[00:07:51] I

[00:07:52] Love James Cameron

[00:07:53] Always with the roller coasters

[00:07:54] Was waiting

[00:07:55] They called me King Takah

[00:07:56] Cause I'm a roller coaster baby

[00:07:58] Do not

[00:07:59] They called me King Takah

[00:08:00] Everyone calls me King Takah

[00:08:01] Go on

[00:08:04] Wanted a new James Cameron movie

[00:08:06] Something fierce

[00:08:07] As did I

[00:08:08] As did everyone

[00:08:09] And it was always rumblings

[00:08:10] Oh 3D

[00:08:11] Oh Alien War

[00:08:12] Well I had seen

[00:08:13] People would say little things about it

[00:08:14] Coraline and 3D

[00:08:15] Yeah

[00:08:16] I'd maybe seen another thing

[00:08:17] I'd like seen a couple things with this

[00:08:18] New 3D technology

[00:08:19] Sure

[00:08:20] With the real D glasses

[00:08:21] The sort of easy little

[00:08:22] You know frames that we all

[00:08:24] Have to wear all the time now

[00:08:25] Coraline's the same year as Evercar

[00:08:27] I believe it's earlier in that year

[00:08:29] And I remember

[00:08:30] Like I wasn't like

[00:08:31] Oh I love this

[00:08:32] And I want 3D and everything

[00:08:34] But I was at least impressed

[00:08:35] With the 3D and Coraline

[00:08:36] It was cool

[00:08:37] Like it was you know

[00:08:38] It gave the movie like a weird

[00:08:39] Sort of you know

[00:08:40] Tactile vibe

[00:08:41] Like it was

[00:08:42] It was just

[00:08:43] It wasn't coming out at you

[00:08:44] Obnoxiously

[00:08:45] You could just be in the world

[00:08:46] A little more

[00:08:47] Cool

[00:08:48] Coraline I still think is

[00:08:49] The best use of 3D

[00:08:51] In a narrative feature

[00:08:52] No avatar

[00:08:53] Is the best use of it

[00:08:54] Coraline 100%

[00:08:55] No

[00:08:56] 100%

[00:08:57] Rider die JDM model

[00:08:58] Will back me up on this

[00:08:59] You guys are dumb animation freaks

[00:09:00] Being losers

[00:09:01] It's avatar

[00:09:02] Cool animation winners

[00:09:03] It's avatar

[00:09:04] Being awesome

[00:09:05] 10,000 years

[00:09:06] And it's Coraline

[00:09:07] And like Coraline is great

[00:09:08] Coraline is number one with a bullet

[00:09:09] No

[00:09:10] It's the only one that uses

[00:09:11] The 3D thematically

[00:09:12] For the movie

[00:09:13] That is wrong

[00:09:14] It is avatar

[00:09:15] Which uses the 3D thematically

[00:09:16] Incredibly well

[00:09:17] You're so wrong about it

[00:09:19] Coraline baby

[00:09:20] No

[00:09:21] You can watch Coraline right now

[00:09:22] In 2D

[00:09:23] And it's still

[00:09:24] Like 98%

[00:09:25] A great movie

[00:09:26] Not sure

[00:09:27] Not so with avatar

[00:09:28] I disagree on both counts

[00:09:29] Okay

[00:09:30] I was a freak for 3D

[00:09:32] Loved it

[00:09:33] When they started

[00:09:34] When they started re-releasing

[00:09:35] Things in 3D

[00:09:36] You're so wrong on this

[00:09:38] I'm really mad at you

[00:09:39] About 3D or Coraline

[00:09:40] About Coraline

[00:09:41] You're so wrong about that

[00:09:42] You're so wrong about this

[00:09:43] You're 100% wrong

[00:09:45] Then

[00:09:46] What's your take on Coraline?

[00:09:48] I don't know anything about Coraline

[00:09:50] Hell yeah

[00:09:51] So

[00:09:53] They're both good

[00:09:54] Oh yeah and you didn't see

[00:09:55] Avatar in theaters

[00:09:56] No

[00:09:57] They saw Avatar last night

[00:09:58] You just watched it for the first time

[00:09:59] At home

[00:10:00] Yeah

[00:10:02] My take away was

[00:10:05] This is a movie that

[00:10:06] I would

[00:10:07] I liked

[00:10:08] Because it's got all the things

[00:10:09] That I like about movies

[00:10:10] This is a real Ben movie

[00:10:11] This is a big time Ben movie

[00:10:13] This one was a

[00:10:14] I love 3D

[00:10:15] Okay

[00:10:16] When they started releasing

[00:10:17] Something in 3D

[00:10:18] Disney was sort of at the forefront

[00:10:19] What else have there been?

[00:10:20] Okay so they would

[00:10:21] Be doing these very limited

[00:10:22] Releases of like

[00:10:23] Chicken Little played in 3D

[00:10:24] A little bit

[00:10:25] Chicken Little

[00:10:26] And I went and saw Chicken Little

[00:10:27] Cause I was like

[00:10:28] New 3D

[00:10:29] Well there was the

[00:10:30] Rodriguez did

[00:10:31] Spy Kids 3D and Shark Boy and Lava Girl

[00:10:33] Right

[00:10:34] Was Spy Kids 3D with the

[00:10:35] Like the real

[00:10:36] Red and blue

[00:10:37] It was the red and blue

[00:10:38] Right

[00:10:39] I did not see Spy Kids 3D

[00:10:40] 3D was really good in that

[00:10:41] But it's with the

[00:10:42] Dumb colors and everything

[00:10:43] Right

[00:10:44] So I really liked

[00:10:45] The 3D in

[00:10:46] Spy Kids 3D

[00:10:47] And I was like

[00:10:48] I like this

[00:10:49] The idea of having

[00:10:50] 3D back

[00:10:51] And then Rodriguez

[00:10:52] Does Shark Boy and Lava Girl

[00:10:53] And then Disney

[00:10:54] Was starting to dip their toes

[00:10:55] Because Disney's usually on the forefront

[00:10:56] Of new technological

[00:10:57] Advancements

[00:10:58] So they released

[00:10:59] The 3D in 3D

[00:11:00] And they were doing

[00:11:01] Nightmare for Christmas

[00:11:02] I remember that

[00:11:03] That started in 2006

[00:11:04] Was like

[00:11:05] I believe 2005

[00:11:06] Was the 3D

[00:11:07] Re-release of Nightmare

[00:11:08] And like meet the Robins

[00:11:09] All these fucking

[00:11:10] Alright

[00:11:11] Enough

[00:11:12] I would go see any movie

[00:11:13] That was released in 3D

[00:11:14] Because I like 3D so much

[00:11:15] And at that point in time

[00:11:16] There was only like

[00:11:17] One movie in 3D per year

[00:11:18] And they were almost

[00:11:19] Always animated

[00:11:20] Yeah

[00:11:21] And they were good

[00:11:22] And then

[00:11:23] When

[00:11:24] You know

[00:11:25] I heard about

[00:11:26] Advertisers actually happening

[00:11:27] Like no fall starts

[00:11:28] I've been working on this

[00:11:29] And the Battle Angel movie

[00:11:30] Yeah

[00:11:31] And so I would always get

[00:11:32] The two mixed up in my head

[00:11:33] As to like what exactly

[00:11:34] And there's one of those things

[00:11:35] Like Star Trek came out

[00:11:36] A year earlier

[00:11:37] Or the same year

[00:11:38] Same year

[00:11:39] And you know

[00:11:40] You would see interviews

[00:11:41] With Zoe Saldana

[00:11:42] Like and they'd be like

[00:11:43] You're an avatar too

[00:11:44] And she's like

[00:11:45] Yeah

[00:11:46] I am

[00:11:47] I mean

[00:11:48] I filmed that a while ago

[00:11:49] But yeah

[00:11:50] I mean

[00:11:51] I don't know

[00:11:52] Like it sort of

[00:11:53] Baffled as us

[00:11:54] Well that's the big thing

[00:11:55] 2009

[00:11:56] Comic Con

[00:11:57] Anything from the movie

[00:11:58] There was nothing

[00:11:59] It was a huge mystery box

[00:12:00] And all you just knew was

[00:12:01] James Cameron

[00:12:02] 3D

[00:12:03] Alien War

[00:12:04] I remember that was

[00:12:05] All you'd hear

[00:12:06] Right

[00:12:07] And then 2009 it was like

[00:12:08] For the first time we're showing

[00:12:09] Images

[00:12:10] We're showing footage

[00:12:11] We're bringing the cast out

[00:12:12] Like everything

[00:12:13] Alright

[00:12:14] And I remember the initial boom

[00:12:15] Being like

[00:12:16] That seems a little disappointing

[00:12:17] Yeah people thought it looked dark

[00:12:18] I have to say

[00:12:19] Yeah I was so turned off

[00:12:20] By the 3D aspect of the film

[00:12:22] I was like

[00:12:23] I don't want to

[00:12:24] That seems cheap and stupid

[00:12:25] Well because people think

[00:12:26] Of the paper glasses

[00:12:28] And the red and the blue

[00:12:29] They think of cheap dorky 3D

[00:12:31] From going to the museums

[00:12:32] Exactly

[00:12:33] The design, the characters

[00:12:34] And the level of the effects

[00:12:35] I remember when they

[00:12:36] Because all you'd hear was just

[00:12:37] James Cameron's work

[00:12:38] And someone's going to

[00:12:39] Revolutionize everything

[00:12:40] And people would say

[00:12:41] I've seen a little bit of Avatar

[00:12:42] It's groundbreaking

[00:12:43] It's this and that

[00:12:44] And then people saw it

[00:12:45] And they were like

[00:12:46] It just looks like some CG movie

[00:12:47] A Blue Alien

[00:12:48] Maybe

[00:12:49] There was some serious

[00:12:50] I remember there was

[00:12:51] A little dip after Comic Con

[00:12:52] But it was more like

[00:12:53] I think most of the people

[00:12:54] Who were at Comic Con

[00:12:55] I can tell you

[00:12:56] And I know a few people

[00:12:57] That was amazing

[00:12:59] But then there was backlash

[00:13:00] From the wider internet

[00:13:01] Well that's what I'd say

[00:13:02] I'd say the people who were there

[00:13:03] At Comic Con

[00:13:04] The wider internet

[00:13:05] But who cares about it

[00:13:06] Because I was kind of with them

[00:13:07] The people were there at Comic Con

[00:13:08] Said the presentation blew them away

[00:13:09] But then as the stuff

[00:13:10] Started getting online

[00:13:11] It was like the trailers

[00:13:12] Were kind of underwhelming

[00:13:13] I remember there being

[00:13:14] A little bit of a stink

[00:13:15] Of like

[00:13:16] Is he going to miss a little bit

[00:13:17] Yeah, he there was

[00:13:18] And the hype was more

[00:13:19] Like I got to give him

[00:13:20] Benefit and doubt

[00:13:21] But he didn't get it

[00:13:22] No, no

[00:13:23] I'm saying

[00:13:24] I'm not gonna get into the panic

[00:13:25] Where everyone was like

[00:13:26] I don't know

[00:13:27] This one, the console

[00:13:28] It looks like it's going to bomb

[00:13:29] I don't know why he's

[00:13:30] Like doing this kind of a story

[00:13:31] With this kind of technology

[00:13:32] Like

[00:13:33] And then it comes out

[00:13:35] Opens fine

[00:13:36] Both in both cases

[00:13:37] Strong

[00:13:38] Yeah

[00:13:39] And people are like

[00:13:40] Oh, well

[00:13:41] It's going to have to multiply

[00:13:42] Yeah, if you put a usual multiplier

[00:13:44] On that

[00:13:45] This is a huge disappointment

[00:13:46] And then of course

[00:13:47] In both cases

[00:13:48] Breaks the mold

[00:13:49] I went to see it

[00:13:50] Opening night

[00:13:51] At the IMAX 3D

[00:13:52] Sure

[00:13:53] I remember right before the movie

[00:13:54] Ended tweeting like

[00:13:55] James Caren, please don't let me down

[00:13:56] Like I had that feeling

[00:13:57] Of like just let me

[00:13:58] Like this movie

[00:13:59] Yeah

[00:14:00] And I did

[00:14:01] And I saw two more times in theaters

[00:14:03] Yeah

[00:14:04] I bought the 3Ds DVD

[00:14:05] The Blu-ray

[00:14:06] And I have not watched it since

[00:14:07] I saw it three times in 2009

[00:14:09] You hadn't watched it since

[00:14:10] Hadn't watched it again since last time

[00:14:11] So last time was the first time

[00:14:12] I watched it at home

[00:14:13] First time I've watched it in 2D

[00:14:14] Okay, all right

[00:14:15] We'll get to you

[00:14:16] We'll get to you

[00:14:17] All right

[00:14:18] We'll get to your DVD experience

[00:14:19] Wait, Blu-ray

[00:14:20] DVD or Blu-ray

[00:14:21] Blu's got to go Blu

[00:14:22] It's a good Blu

[00:14:23] Yeah, it's a good Blu

[00:14:24] He doesn't want to fuck up the Blu

[00:14:25] The 3Ds go

[00:14:26] It's a good Blu

[00:14:27] Yeah, the one that's in this sort of

[00:14:28] You know, little box

[00:14:29] And it's got like this sort of

[00:14:30] Folders that you pull the disney

[00:14:32] Yeah, I like it

[00:14:33] So you saw it opening night

[00:14:34] Saw it opening night

[00:14:35] With my girlfriend at the time

[00:14:37] I think in my brother

[00:14:38] Double Humber Ray

[00:14:39] My brother and my brother

[00:14:40] Yeah, double Humber Ray

[00:14:41] I have a brother

[00:14:42] And I remember my brother

[00:14:44] Who is a bit of a snarky little boy

[00:14:46] And I shouldn't call him a little boy

[00:14:48] Joey C Sims

[00:14:49] Very patronizing

[00:14:50] Yeah, Joey C Sims

[00:14:51] My brother, especially at that time

[00:14:53] A little snarky a little like

[00:14:55] It was kind of like

[00:14:56] I was just like

[00:14:57] Yep, that was amazing

[00:14:59] That was the best

[00:15:00] That's exactly what I wanted

[00:15:01] The action especially

[00:15:02] Like you know, that last hour of Avatar

[00:15:04] Yeah

[00:15:05] It was fucking fantastic

[00:15:06] I saw it a couple more times in theaters

[00:15:08] I flew to London

[00:15:10] In like April of the next year

[00:15:12] So like a few months later

[00:15:13] Avatar was on the plane

[00:15:14] I watched it both ways

[00:15:16] That's cool

[00:15:17] I bought the DVD

[00:15:19] Like the crappy DVD

[00:15:20] When it came out

[00:15:21] No, my brother got it for me actually

[00:15:22] I think it's a sort of goki present

[00:15:24] And I watched that maybe once or twice

[00:15:27] And then yeah, I got the blue right

[00:15:28] The big one

[00:15:29] I've watched that

[00:15:30] I've seen it like eight or nine times

[00:15:31] Yeah, okay

[00:15:32] So I love it

[00:15:33] I had seen it since I was nine

[00:15:34] But was a big defender of it

[00:15:35] I mean, I don't know if it like

[00:15:37] I was trying to think back to

[00:15:39] If it would have made my top ten

[00:15:41] For that year

[00:15:42] Like I liked it a lot

[00:15:43] I wanted to mix mine

[00:15:44] I was really into seeing it

[00:15:46] Theatrically

[00:15:47] And I was like, you know

[00:15:48] When there was sort of an immediate backlash

[00:15:51] The movie was always operating on two levels

[00:15:53] It was such a, yeah

[00:15:55] Swing toward, you know

[00:15:56] It was like

[00:15:57] And there were like multiple backlashes at once

[00:15:59] Like, because there was kind of

[00:16:00] Oh, what were the backlashes?

[00:16:01] Well, you know

[00:16:02] It's dumb

[00:16:03] Yeah, it's dumb

[00:16:04] People were like, it's dumb

[00:16:05] Why is everyone like this?

[00:16:06] It's dumb

[00:16:07] And then everyone just

[00:16:08] Doesn't quite make my top ten for that year

[00:16:09] But that is an extremely good year

[00:16:10] That was a good year

[00:16:11] Yeah, that's what I was going to say

[00:16:12] That was a really good year

[00:16:13] Fuck, look at this

[00:16:14] This is a great like

[00:16:15] You got Coraline

[00:16:16] Coraline

[00:16:17] Coraline, yeah

[00:16:18] That's above it for me

[00:16:19] Yeah, yeah

[00:16:20] Love that movie

[00:16:21] Yeah, especially because he used to do it three days

[00:16:22] Ponyo came out that year

[00:16:23] Which is one of my favorite movies ever made

[00:16:25] Serious Man

[00:16:26] And Glorious Basters came out that year

[00:16:28] I think Glorious Basters

[00:16:29] Fertlocker

[00:16:30] Was my two

[00:16:31] Sugar was my number one maybe

[00:16:32] Sugar's in my top twenty

[00:16:33] I love sugar

[00:16:34] Star Trek, which I adore

[00:16:35] Bright Star

[00:16:36] Which is my number one of that year

[00:16:37] Oh, right

[00:16:38] One of the greatest movies

[00:16:39] Yeah

[00:16:40] House of the Dead

[00:16:41] Which is, sorry

[00:16:42] House of the Devil

[00:16:43] Which is such a cool movie

[00:16:44] Summer Hours

[00:16:45] The SIS

[00:16:46] I've never seen that one

[00:16:47] See it

[00:16:48] Oh, it's In the Loop

[00:16:50] Yeah, see, you know

[00:16:51] Public enemies

[00:16:52] Public enemies I love

[00:16:53] Fantastic

[00:16:54] You know like In the Loop

[00:16:55] You're an idiot

[00:16:56] I know, I've never really gone

[00:16:57] And like a lot of cool little movies

[00:16:59] Like Fish Tank, Moon

[00:17:00] Yeah, I like a lot of these

[00:17:02] Good year

[00:17:03] But yeah, it just sort of

[00:17:05] Immediately came out

[00:17:07] Did well the first weekend

[00:17:08] But not crazy well

[00:17:09] The second weekend had no drop

[00:17:10] And then it was so clear

[00:17:11] We'll get to the box

[00:17:12] But I'm saying it was

[00:17:13] So clear that it was going to be

[00:17:14] Another Titanic

[00:17:15] And then it came out

[00:17:16] After a few weeks

[00:17:17] It came out late enough in December

[00:17:18] That there was no like

[00:17:20] Oscar campaign

[00:17:21] It was like the second it was released

[00:17:22] Everyone was like

[00:17:23] Okay, it's going to get nominated

[00:17:24] For nine Oscars

[00:17:25] And then it got nominated

[00:17:26] Like three weeks later

[00:17:27] You know

[00:17:28] Because it was the end of the year

[00:17:29] Yeah

[00:17:30] No one had seen it

[00:17:31] Like before it came out

[00:17:32] It briefly looked like a winner

[00:17:33] I think at the time of the nominations

[00:17:35] Everyone thought it was going to win

[00:17:36] They at least thought like

[00:17:38] It was one of these things

[00:17:39] Where it was against the Hurt Locker

[00:17:40] Which had not made a ton of money

[00:17:41] But was so universally acclaimed

[00:17:42] And it was, yeah

[00:17:43] It was like

[00:17:44] Maybe this will knock it off

[00:17:45] And the fact that they were Xs

[00:17:46] Like was such a good narrative

[00:17:47] It was a cool narrative

[00:17:48] And then it swung back around

[00:17:49] To Hurt Locker

[00:17:50] As the sort of

[00:17:51] You know people got a little sick

[00:17:52] Of all Avatar all the time

[00:17:53] Yeah, I mean the Hurt Locker

[00:17:54] PR team did an amazing job

[00:17:56] The second after the nominations

[00:17:57] Came out being like

[00:17:58] I mean who do you want to vote for

[00:17:59] David or Goliath

[00:18:00] Right

[00:18:01] You know and making it seem like

[00:18:02] What is this movie

[00:18:03] And also he had an Oscar

[00:18:04] And like a woman had never won

[00:18:05] Best Director

[00:18:06] I think it's when we have all time

[00:18:07] This movie doesn't need Oscars

[00:18:08] I think a lot of people thought

[00:18:09] Maybe Avatar would win picture

[00:18:10] Big load win director

[00:18:11] Anyway

[00:18:12] Oscars aside

[00:18:13] But the backlash was sort of like

[00:18:14] Is this movie over hyped

[00:18:15] And then some people were coming in

[00:18:16] Going like this movie is under hyped

[00:18:17] And it was this weird movie

[00:18:18] That was always a fight

[00:18:19] When in the end of the day

[00:18:20] It was just like good solid movie

[00:18:21] And also I think a lot of movie

[00:18:23] It's like a movie

[00:18:24] Yeah

[00:18:25] Wait at the end of the day

[00:18:26] I can't remember

[00:18:27] Over hyped, under hyped

[00:18:29] Good solid movie

[00:18:30] Professor Crunchy

[00:18:32] Doctor Crunchy

[00:18:34] Don't call me Professor Crunchy

[00:18:36] And now of course he's working

[00:18:37] On these sequels

[00:18:38] Right

[00:18:39] Which once again

[00:18:40] Much like the creation of

[00:18:42] Avatar

[00:18:43] You're like

[00:18:44] Well that seems like the wrong decision

[00:18:45] That seems totally stupid

[00:18:47] Yeah

[00:18:48] Don't do that

[00:18:49] I guess you know

[00:18:50] Maybe it'll work out again

[00:18:52] Like I mean that's

[00:18:53] What else can you say

[00:18:54] As you always say

[00:18:55] I mean James Cameron

[00:18:56] Tells me I want five Avatar movies

[00:18:58] Then I want five Avatar movies

[00:18:59] Your favorite quote of mine

[00:19:00] Let's go through the story of the film

[00:19:01] And then get to at the end

[00:19:02] Like sort of sequel talk

[00:19:03] Because I have a lot of thoughts

[00:19:04] On about what the sequels could be

[00:19:05] And how I feel about them

[00:19:06] Okay so this movie starts out

[00:19:08] You watched the theatrical version

[00:19:10] Right

[00:19:11] I did

[00:19:12] I've seen the extended versions

[00:19:13] I think they're both very bad

[00:19:15] I think all the additions

[00:19:16] Saved maybe one scene are really bad

[00:19:19] And I think he made the right call

[00:19:20] With the theatrical cut

[00:19:21] I didn't watch the theatrical cut

[00:19:22] I watched the extended

[00:19:23] I know you did

[00:19:24] Yeah

[00:19:25] You're saying you thought

[00:19:26] He made the right call

[00:19:27] Jamie

[00:19:28] I thought you said

[00:19:29] I made the right call

[00:19:30] Like the theatrical cut

[00:19:31] Is the correct cut of the film

[00:19:32] On real

[00:19:33] I think all the mentions at the school

[00:19:34] Are added weight to the film

[00:19:36] I think the rest of the stuff

[00:19:37] Doesn't really matter

[00:19:38] But I also think

[00:19:39] I think the rest of the stuff

[00:19:40] Is not good

[00:19:41] I also because I hadn't seen it

[00:19:42] In like seven years

[00:19:43] Right

[00:19:44] I was having a hard time

[00:19:45] Remembering what was

[00:19:46] Or wasn't in the theatrical

[00:19:47] I can tell you

[00:19:48] I'm sure you can

[00:19:49] And that's why I'm setting this up

[00:19:50] Because I think it is important

[00:19:51] To cover the stuff he adds

[00:19:52] Even if not in-depth

[00:19:54] Not certainly not in-depth

[00:19:56] The theatrical version

[00:19:57] Opens with him opening his eyes

[00:19:59] And being pulled out

[00:20:00] Of like a chamber

[00:20:01] Weightless in a space thing

[00:20:02] And through a lot of clunky

[00:20:03] Like very fast

[00:20:04] Expositional voiceover

[00:20:06] Just being like

[00:20:07] It is clunky

[00:20:08] It's very clunky

[00:20:09] But it's fast

[00:20:10] The first 15 minutes

[00:20:11] He gets you into the avatar

[00:20:13] Pretty quickly

[00:20:14] For a movie that has to explain

[00:20:15] A lot

[00:20:16] That's what I was going to say

[00:20:17] Because even in the

[00:20:19] Extended version

[00:20:20] Which has a full five minutes

[00:20:22] On earth

[00:20:23] Like present

[00:20:24] You know set in real time scenes

[00:20:26] Before

[00:20:28] It even gets to the opening

[00:20:29] Of what

[00:20:30] The theatrical version opens with

[00:20:32] That version still gets him

[00:20:33] In the avatar within 15 minutes

[00:20:35] Right

[00:20:36] Which means

[00:20:37] The theatrical gets him in within 10

[00:20:39] I think you're right

[00:20:40] Because it's just like

[00:20:41] He wakes up on the space station

[00:20:43] You have those brief flashbacks

[00:20:44] To his twin brother being dead

[00:20:46] And then he's like

[00:20:48] Here's Prometheus

[00:20:49] I mean not Prometheus

[00:20:50] Pandora

[00:20:51] Right and there's like the five minutes of like

[00:20:53] And he meets a

[00:20:54] Sigourney Weaver

[00:20:55] Negging him

[00:20:56] Yes, Sigourney

[00:20:57] Sigourney next

[00:20:58] She comes out of the pod

[00:20:59] Being like where's my god damn cigarette

[00:21:01] This is cool

[00:21:02] She's great

[00:21:03] Oh I love that part

[00:21:04] Great in this movie

[00:21:05] I love lab smoking

[00:21:07] She's real hammy

[00:21:08] And just what the movie needs I think

[00:21:10] Everyone who's hamming it up

[00:21:11] Is doing a good job

[00:21:12] Yeah I think this is a weird instance

[00:21:15] Where I think the performances that don't work

[00:21:17] In this movie are people who are underacting

[00:21:19] Yeah trying to be more natural

[00:21:21] Yeah

[00:21:22] And although actually

[00:21:24] I don't think any performances

[00:21:25] I think all the performances are solid

[00:21:26] In this movie

[00:21:27] Worthington

[00:21:28] Yeah totally

[00:21:29] I'm gonna disagree with you hard on this

[00:21:30] As we get further

[00:21:31] I think he's great in this movie

[00:21:32] And it's one of those things where

[00:21:33] He you know has not delivered

[00:21:35] On any promise that he showed in this

[00:21:37] Or in Terminary Salvation

[00:21:38] Which is also okay

[00:21:39] I think this is the same performance

[00:21:40] He gives in every movie

[00:21:41] I think the performance plays better

[00:21:43] Because the movie around him is better

[00:21:44] Sure

[00:21:45] I think this movie would be a stone cold

[00:21:46] Masterpiece with a better performance

[00:21:48] In the center

[00:21:49] That's a hard thing to say

[00:21:50] Because I'd have to see it

[00:21:51] I think he's very winning

[00:21:52] He's very understated

[00:21:53] And he lets like the better things

[00:21:55] You know do their shit

[00:21:57] I think he's too understated

[00:21:58] And I think it's a

[00:21:59] I think he's great in the mocap

[00:22:01] Oh see that's where I disagree

[00:22:03] 100%

[00:22:04] Oh we just disagree

[00:22:05] That's where I disagree

[00:22:06] Because I think the mocap is

[00:22:08] The technology wasn't at a point

[00:22:10] He's so small and he's so subtle

[00:22:13] That so often it feels like

[00:22:14] He's just kind of unneutral

[00:22:15] Because he has to push through the mocap

[00:22:17] We disagree

[00:22:18] Whereas Saldana is giving a much more expressive

[00:22:20] The actual performance

[00:22:21] Which translates through the animation

[00:22:23] But she's supposed to be like that

[00:22:25] She's supposed to be

[00:22:26] Like a natural member of the world

[00:22:28] Whereas he's supposed to be

[00:22:29] Defensive and on guard

[00:22:30] And it works

[00:22:31] I think I compare it to

[00:22:33] Weaver in the mocap or any of that stuff

[00:22:35] I think he's

[00:22:36] Weaver's performance in the mocap is so weird

[00:22:38] Because the avatar looks so much like her

[00:22:40] That you're a little freaked out

[00:22:41] Which is the only one they do that with

[00:22:43] Yeah it's so uncanny valley

[00:22:45] They break the rules of the navide

[00:22:47] Design for Weaver

[00:22:48] Because everyone else has the really flat nose bridge

[00:22:50] And with her they do the little

[00:22:51] Sigourney Weaver nose

[00:22:52] Because they clearly wanted the audiences

[00:22:54] To feel comfortable with it

[00:22:55] What's the tall skinny guy called?

[00:22:56] No Spellman

[00:22:57] No the actor

[00:22:58] Joel David Moore

[00:22:59] Yeah his looks kind of like him

[00:23:01] His looks like him

[00:23:02] I mean but it's more

[00:23:03] Yes okay

[00:23:04] But it still abides by the rules of the navide design

[00:23:06] Okay we're moving on

[00:23:07] But yes you're right

[00:23:08] Sigourney is just a blue Sigourney

[00:23:10] They don't translate her facial features

[00:23:11] They just paint her blue

[00:23:12] Yeah

[00:23:13] So they get more shirt on her

[00:23:14] Yeah

[00:23:15] She's got the stand for sure

[00:23:16] Yeah she's got the stand for sure

[00:23:18] Yeah it would have been fun to see

[00:23:20] Them make like a Stephen Lange avatar right

[00:23:23] Yeah

[00:23:24] Maybe for the second one

[00:23:25] Ava 2

[00:23:26] Two-vatar

[00:23:27] The Leap Rau or Michelle Rodriguez

[00:23:29] Yeah

[00:23:30] Good little ensemble

[00:23:31] I like the whole cast

[00:23:32] I hope all the characters who die in this movie come back

[00:23:34] Is Navi and then I

[00:23:35] I'd really like Michelle Rodriguez to come back

[00:23:38] Me too

[00:23:39] Because I feel like the movie doesn't do her dirty

[00:23:40] She's great but I mean you know

[00:23:42] It's a small part

[00:23:43] They don't do her dirty

[00:23:44] But they also don't really let her do anything

[00:23:45] Until like the last 40 minutes

[00:23:46] But I mean she

[00:23:47] And she earns

[00:23:48] She owns it

[00:23:49] She's great

[00:23:50] When she

[00:23:51] Those few little things

[00:23:52] But the movie is banking a lot on

[00:23:53] You being like

[00:23:54] Oh Michelle Rodriguez

[00:23:55] I know her

[00:23:56] Which is a good call

[00:23:57] We're gonna hit the ground running

[00:23:58] Right

[00:23:59] They don't really characterize her at all

[00:24:01] Within the action of the movie

[00:24:02] No

[00:24:03] You just have to like know the type of

[00:24:05] Well also you just need a human or two

[00:24:07] To not be the worst

[00:24:09] And so it's nice to have her

[00:24:10] Yeah

[00:24:11] I just think this movie doesn't do as good of a job

[00:24:13] Sort of fleshing out the other humans

[00:24:16] As Cameron usually does

[00:24:18] I mean I agree with you if you're thinking aliens

[00:24:21] But I don't know if I agree with you on every other

[00:24:22] Even the Abyss I would say

[00:24:24] No we're out

[00:24:25] And even like the

[00:24:27] Not the Abyss

[00:24:28] I think so

[00:24:29] I think the Abyss does a better job

[00:24:30] I think

[00:24:31] Give me

[00:24:32] Alright

[00:24:33] No

[00:24:34] I think mouse guy is more fleshed out

[00:24:37] Than Trudy Shackon

[00:24:38] No he's not

[00:24:39] Mouse guy's not

[00:24:40] He just has a mouse

[00:24:41] So you're like hey he's got a mouse

[00:24:42] That's a thing

[00:24:43] That's the guy with the mouse

[00:24:44] He's got a thing it's a mouse thing

[00:24:45] What's his character

[00:24:46] He likes his mouse

[00:24:47] Anything else

[00:24:48] That mouse though

[00:24:49] But look

[00:24:50] Yes that mouse though

[00:24:51] But also when you look at Trudy

[00:24:52] The Michelle Rodriguez character

[00:24:54] She's like

[00:24:55] I'm assuming I answer questions

[00:24:56] Does she like mice

[00:24:57] Does she have one

[00:24:58] You don't know anything about her

[00:24:59] She likes tank tops

[00:25:01] And sunglasses

[00:25:02] Yeah

[00:25:03] And

[00:25:04] She was in like for the Fast and Furious movies

[00:25:06] Go to the Improv

[00:25:07] Go to the Improv

[00:25:08] The steak

[00:25:09] Steak Improv

[00:25:10] Little Improv

[00:25:11] Yeah that's good

[00:25:12] Fun fact about Michelle Rodriguez

[00:25:14] Never on a loyalty

[00:25:15] Yep

[00:25:16] I'm sorry I beat you to that joke

[00:25:17] I'm gonna give you the ten comedy points

[00:25:19] Oh thank you

[00:25:20] Okay so Avatar

[00:25:21] Gets into it fast

[00:25:22] Do you like the additional scenes in the beginning

[00:25:24] No I was gonna say

[00:25:25] I think the earth scenes are terrible

[00:25:26] I think they're the worst edition

[00:25:27] I think get out of that

[00:25:28] You know just get out of it as quick as possible

[00:25:30] He made the right call just being like

[00:25:31] Yes you need this clunky voiceover

[00:25:33] But we just gotta get through this real fast

[00:25:35] Well that's it's a very utilitarian movie

[00:25:37] In a certain

[00:25:38] Utilitarian movie in a way

[00:25:40] Because

[00:25:41] Basic storytelling

[00:25:43] Like rules would tell you

[00:25:44] You need to ground the audience

[00:25:46] In the real person

[00:25:47] In the real world

[00:25:48] Before you get to the crazy stuff

[00:25:49] Sure

[00:25:50] And you need to have some characterization

[00:25:51] Before he's thrown into it

[00:25:52] So we know who he is

[00:25:53] Before the circumstance

[00:25:54] But I hate that hacky crap

[00:25:55] First off

[00:25:56] The first five minutes are just really poorly directed

[00:25:58] They're really ham-fisted

[00:26:00] I think they feel tonally off

[00:26:02] They look shitty

[00:26:03] The future earth isn't as well realized

[00:26:05] As any of the other stuff he has

[00:26:06] Oh you're saying in the added scenes

[00:26:08] In the added scenes

[00:26:09] It's not very well

[00:26:10] You know

[00:26:11] You come to shit for a reason

[00:26:13] Right it's bad

[00:26:14] And then also it is

[00:26:15] You have so much stuff to set up

[00:26:16] Where it's like

[00:26:17] Okay so if you were gonna go through

[00:26:18] The channels of

[00:26:19] Here's Jake Sully

[00:26:21] On earth

[00:26:22] And this is what it's like

[00:26:23] On the spaceship

[00:26:24] Before he gets into the Navi body

[00:26:26] And then the Navi body

[00:26:27] And none of the other stuff matters

[00:26:28] The only thing that matters is Pandora

[00:26:30] And the Avatar

[00:26:31] Get him in the Navi

[00:26:32] The two things you need to get

[00:26:33] Are what is Pandora

[00:26:34] And you get Stephen Lang

[00:26:35] Obviously giving again a clunky

[00:26:37] Very clunky but

[00:26:39] Cute-ish

[00:26:40] You know sort of like

[00:26:41] I'm the military man

[00:26:42] And here's Pandora for ya

[00:26:44] He's getting through it

[00:26:45] I mean it's almost like

[00:26:46] He's getting through it

[00:26:47] And then the avatar shit

[00:26:48] You know this is an avatar

[00:26:49] It's you

[00:26:50] And then your brother

[00:26:51] twin brother genome

[00:26:52] Whatever so you can go in it

[00:26:54] The first hour of this movie

[00:26:55] Is like orientation week

[00:26:57] We just need to set up

[00:26:58] Where everything is

[00:26:59] Yeah basically well it's like multiple orientations

[00:27:01] You got that orientation

[00:27:02] Then you have like

[00:27:03] Scientist orientation

[00:27:04] And then you have Navi

[00:27:05] Like you know or yeah

[00:27:06] That's why I said orientation week

[00:27:08] Cause when you go to college

[00:27:09] It's like oh today

[00:27:10] You're gonna focus on this sort of thing

[00:27:12] In England

[00:27:13] You call it fresher week

[00:27:14] Oh okay so it's like fresher week

[00:27:16] Yes

[00:27:17] Are you happy?

[00:27:19] Yes

[00:27:20] Okay so talking tar

[00:27:21] Yes

[00:27:22] Gets up there

[00:27:23] They go oh your brother

[00:27:25] He was a hero he died

[00:27:26] Paper in his pocket

[00:27:27] We had all this money invested in him

[00:27:29] Sure pays good

[00:27:30] We made this tar

[00:27:32] In his likeness

[00:27:33] It's really expensive

[00:27:34] You're the only one

[00:27:35] Who can operate the tar

[00:27:36] Cause you're a twin

[00:27:37] Guess what you don't have legs

[00:27:39] You got

[00:27:40] You got crippled legs right

[00:27:42] Crippled legs

[00:27:43] Right he's got these skin

[00:27:44] Little legs

[00:27:45] And he's in a wheelchair

[00:27:46] And they're like we could give you this opportunity

[00:27:48] You go up to space

[00:27:49] You get to walk again

[00:27:50] Long blue legs

[00:27:51] He's like okay sign me up

[00:27:53] Although I do like that the movie doesn't make it

[00:27:55] Really clear

[00:27:56] That part of the appeal might be

[00:27:58] That he gets to walk around in this avatar

[00:28:00] Until he's in the avatar

[00:28:01] Yeah

[00:28:02] And then they're like oh yeah

[00:28:03] They don't oversell it

[00:28:04] They don't oversell it

[00:28:05] Gets up into space

[00:28:06] Everyone's like who the fuck is this guy

[00:28:08] We've all trained for years

[00:28:09] No no no we're moving past it

[00:28:10] They put him in the tar

[00:28:11] Yeah

[00:28:12] He starts walking

[00:28:13] He's freaking out

[00:28:14] Immediately is he's good at it

[00:28:16] Or wherever

[00:28:17] He's a good driver of this alien body

[00:28:19] That they've made for him

[00:28:21] He's the chosen one

[00:28:23] Yeah

[00:28:24] For real

[00:28:25] And you know why

[00:28:26] Cause little fluff ball

[00:28:28] Little fluffies land on him

[00:28:29] Little fluffies

[00:28:30] Little fluff

[00:28:31] Little fluff

[00:28:32] Little toss of fluff

[00:28:33] Little toss of fluff

[00:28:34] Tough fluff

[00:28:35] Spoof and a go

[00:28:36] Just tough

[00:28:37] Thank you I appreciate it

[00:28:38] We're the two friends

[00:28:39] So you got

[00:28:40] You got

[00:28:41] You got

[00:28:42] Immediately what I do like about it

[00:28:43] Is it lays out

[00:28:44] Alright you have a military element here

[00:28:46] That's what I was going to say

[00:28:47] Yeah

[00:28:48] You know and they're civilian

[00:28:49] I mean they're private contractors

[00:28:50] So they're especially fucked up people

[00:28:52] Right

[00:28:53] The RDA

[00:28:54] Yeah they're just people who want to

[00:28:55] Shoot things

[00:28:56] They want an obtainium

[00:28:57] Then you've got the

[00:28:58] Yeah the business interest

[00:28:59] Yeah

[00:29:00] Which they want this

[00:29:01] You know

[00:29:02] You're by the RBC

[00:29:03] Who I think is having a blast

[00:29:04] I think probably the best performance

[00:29:05] He's just a lot of fun

[00:29:07] He's just a lot of fun

[00:29:08] He's just a lot of fun

[00:29:09] I think Salt Donna is easily the best

[00:29:11] Oh I for

[00:29:12] Yes

[00:29:13] I think he's great

[00:29:14] But RBC rules

[00:29:15] I mean like especially because

[00:29:16] He's got maybe the stupidest thing to do

[00:29:19] Which is to

[00:29:20] Explain to Sir Gornie Weaver something

[00:29:22] That obviously her character would

[00:29:23] Be fully aware of

[00:29:24] Which is that they are

[00:29:25] Mining an obtainium

[00:29:26] He has to say unobtainium

[00:29:28] He has to like

[00:29:29] You know take her over to his

[00:29:30] Weird little desk and

[00:29:31] Pick it up

[00:29:32] But he makes this great character

[00:29:33] Choice which is

[00:29:34] He's the one who saddles

[00:29:35] With so much clunky exposition

[00:29:36] And sort of plot building stuff

[00:29:38] And he's

[00:29:39] Makes the character choice

[00:29:40] Of this guy is tired

[00:29:41] Of explaining this stuff

[00:29:42] Yes oh god

[00:29:43] Which makes it funny

[00:29:44] Because all the exposition

[00:29:45] He's like look you know

[00:29:46] We have to go this plan

[00:29:47] And get unobtainium

[00:29:48] He's got that kind of high voice

[00:29:49] We gotta go and get the unobtainium

[00:29:51] There's the moment

[00:29:52] We're only half a one

[00:29:53] Oh no of course

[00:29:54] Which is the best moment in

[00:29:55] The entire film

[00:29:56] The bit where he's like

[00:29:57] Alright come on scroll scroll scroll

[00:29:58] You know he's like trying

[00:29:59] To make the camera move

[00:30:00] On his computer

[00:30:01] He's like Mike can you do that

[00:30:02] No Mike

[00:30:03] Too far too far

[00:30:04] Too far too far

[00:30:05] Too far too far

[00:30:06] She's a Christ

[00:30:07] I love tech not quite working

[00:30:08] Yeah it's great

[00:30:09] But yeah the three factions are

[00:30:10] Unobtainium right

[00:30:11] Which everyone always slams Cameron

[00:30:12] For like that's so clunky

[00:30:14] It's a real scientific term

[00:30:16] Yeah it's a weird example

[00:30:17] Of like real life being

[00:30:19] Written like a James Cameron movie

[00:30:21] And seeming to on the nose

[00:30:22] But umptanium is like an actual thing

[00:30:24] It's a scientific sort of

[00:30:26] Joke

[00:30:27] Name four elements that they can't define

[00:30:29] Exactly you know

[00:30:30] Or like some sort of like

[00:30:32] If you wanted one day to

[00:30:34] You know power a warp drive

[00:30:35] Maybe you could do that with

[00:30:36] Unobtainium

[00:30:37] This magic element with this

[00:30:38] It would somehow possess this property

[00:30:40] I don't know whatever

[00:30:41] They never say what the value of it is

[00:30:43] No they don't

[00:30:44] Which I like

[00:30:45] I kinda like to

[00:30:46] But that's what he wants right

[00:30:47] They hire this military group

[00:30:49] To try to

[00:30:51] Oh wait I have a question

[00:30:52] So in music when you sell a bunch of albums

[00:30:55] Is like past platinum

[00:30:57] You go unobtainium

[00:30:59] I'm now looking up unobtainium

[00:31:01] On the Avatar Wiki

[00:31:02] To see what it actually does

[00:31:03] Thriller, thriller went unobtainium

[00:31:05] Did

[00:31:07] It was just floating

[00:31:08] And Giovanni Robisi was just hitting it

[00:31:10] Um

[00:31:11] They need

[00:31:12] I mean as you can kinda pick up from the movie

[00:31:14] Yeah

[00:31:15] Like it's necessary on earth

[00:31:16] Because earth has become such a kinda crappy

[00:31:19] Uh

[00:31:20] Like over mined

[00:31:21] Over

[00:31:22] It looks really shitty

[00:31:23] World

[00:31:24] That like unobtainium is this

[00:31:26] I don't know it's this thing

[00:31:27] Something we need

[00:31:28] It floats

[00:31:29] It floats he gives a shit

[00:31:30] But the idea is that

[00:31:32] I mean as Robisi says

[00:31:33] It's the character of the stick

[00:31:34] They want the unobtainium

[00:31:35] They've hired two different companies

[00:31:37] To try different approaches to getting it

[00:31:39] So one is

[00:31:40] Weaver

[00:31:41] Who's gonna be nice

[00:31:42] You know

[00:31:43] Yeah so Bernie Weaver's character

[00:31:44] Whose name is

[00:31:45] Dr. Grace Augustine

[00:31:47] And her

[00:31:48] Uh

[00:31:49] Interesting

[00:31:50] You know diplomacy

[00:31:51] You know

[00:31:52] Sort of

[00:31:53] The idea of whatever

[00:31:54] Like bring

[00:31:55] Like westernization

[00:31:56] Right you know

[00:31:57] It's also a flawed idea

[00:31:58] Sure

[00:31:59] Which I like that the movie

[00:32:00] But then she has her own

[00:32:02] Vested interest in it

[00:32:03] Which is that she's a scientist

[00:32:04] So she's interested in exploring this other culture

[00:32:06] And their fauna

[00:32:07] And their flora

[00:32:08] And all of this sort of shit

[00:32:09] She's a cosmic botanist

[00:32:11] Right she wants to teach them

[00:32:13] So that she can be the one on the forefront

[00:32:15] She's the Jane Goodall

[00:32:17] Of Navi

[00:32:18] What she's trying to be

[00:32:19] Grilla is in the midst

[00:32:20] Tar's in the midst

[00:32:21] But

[00:32:23] She's been trying to go about it the friendly way

[00:32:25] Diplomacy

[00:32:26] Build a bridge

[00:32:27] Get them to give us some unobtainium

[00:32:29] For what

[00:32:30] That's what they can't figure out

[00:32:31] Then if you don't want anything

[00:32:32] Right

[00:32:33] You don't want to fuck money

[00:32:34] No they're cool

[00:32:35] Paper in your pocket fuck that

[00:32:37] You want a vet

[00:32:38] Vet gets you wet

[00:32:39] They go no we've seen true lies

[00:32:40] That guy's a piece of shit

[00:32:41] Well and like

[00:32:42] There's this

[00:32:43] Sure there's this ongoing idea

[00:32:45] That the world

[00:32:47] The moon of Pandora

[00:32:48] That they live on

[00:32:49] Is in this like nice balanced

[00:32:51] Harmonic state

[00:32:52] Everything kind of works

[00:32:53] And they're like

[00:32:54] As it should

[00:32:55] If it ain't fixed don't break it

[00:32:56] And they respect that

[00:32:57] If it ain't broke don't fix it

[00:32:58] Exactly

[00:32:59] If it ain't fixed don't break it

[00:33:00] And so

[00:33:01] If it ain't tar don't have

[00:33:02] The humans are messing with that

[00:33:03] They don't need computers

[00:33:04] They've got trees

[00:33:05] They plug into

[00:33:06] That's right

[00:33:07] They do

[00:33:08] Trees

[00:33:09] Nature's internet

[00:33:10] So then

[00:33:12] And then so then you've got the military guys

[00:33:14] And they're sort of like

[00:33:15] The stick

[00:33:16] Well just you know

[00:33:17] I mean be ready

[00:33:18] Because we might need to fight them

[00:33:19] And what their vested interest in this

[00:33:20] Is they love fighting shit

[00:33:21] Sure they like to point and shoot

[00:33:23] They're big big gun war people

[00:33:25] And so they'd love to

[00:33:26] Have a good gun war

[00:33:27] You know they have power suits

[00:33:29] They have like mix

[00:33:30] Yeah they got power loaders

[00:33:31] But they're called amps in this

[00:33:32] They're mechs

[00:33:33] It's a mech

[00:33:34] Looks like a power loader

[00:33:35] Yeah but it doesn't load

[00:33:36] It's a mech

[00:33:37] But there are the ones in the background

[00:33:38] At the loading dock that are like

[00:33:40] Doing load and shit

[00:33:41] It's kind of like a power loader

[00:33:42] Except it's for fighting too

[00:33:45] You carry a big knife in one

[00:33:47] Well that's I mean Ripley

[00:33:48] Was sort of the original amp

[00:33:49] Because she was like

[00:33:50] I can load

[00:33:51] I'll load a fight on to your ass

[00:33:53] You know what I'm saying

[00:33:54] Like she took that power loader

[00:33:55] Made into a fight

[00:33:56] No but I'm just

[00:33:57] Fighting robot

[00:33:58] I like aliens more than I like avatar

[00:33:59] Controversial opinion

[00:34:00] Because the tech in aliens is more

[00:34:04] Grounded, realistic

[00:34:05] Practical

[00:34:06] Practical

[00:34:07] The tech in avatar is not

[00:34:08] That's fine

[00:34:09] It's more cartoonish

[00:34:10] Sure

[00:34:11] And it's more

[00:34:12] I mean you've seen that

[00:34:13] It's not just like aliens

[00:34:14] Didn't invent the idea of

[00:34:15] Humans in a power suit

[00:34:16] That's in like every anime

[00:34:18] You know come on

[00:34:19] Come on

[00:34:20] It's kind of him playing the hits

[00:34:21] Alright

[00:34:22] It's kind of him playing the hits

[00:34:23] I don't think so

[00:34:24] I think it's him being like

[00:34:25] You get this and I have to explain it

[00:34:26] Great

[00:34:27] It's playing the hits

[00:34:28] I think that the mechs have like

[00:34:30] Not a gun attached to their arm

[00:34:32] But they pick up a giant gun

[00:34:34] I like that too

[00:34:35] I like that too

[00:34:36] I think it's great

[00:34:37] I like that a lot

[00:34:38] Okay that's the central setup

[00:34:40] Grace Augustine doesn't like Jigsaw

[00:34:42] She's like why am I saddled with this guy

[00:34:44] But you know what, what the fuck

[00:34:45] Rabisi and Lang though

[00:34:47] Steven Lang plays Colonel Quattrick

[00:34:49] Because Sully used to be a marine

[00:34:51] He's a jarhead

[00:34:52] As he self identifies a bunch of times

[00:34:54] And Lang is like

[00:34:55] I can get through to this guy

[00:34:56] Sure I can, this guy can be helpful

[00:34:57] I can activate that military gene in his body

[00:34:59] So Lang wants, you know, Quattrick

[00:35:02] He wants, he says to Jake

[00:35:04] Look, you can do what she wants you to do

[00:35:06] You can drive your avatar

[00:35:07] But get in with them and like

[00:35:08] Get me info

[00:35:09] I want intel on how to take these guys down

[00:35:11] You can help me out

[00:35:12] Like look

[00:35:13] Is there a big home tree that they live in

[00:35:14] Is on the unobtainium deposit

[00:35:16] And we're gonna go get it

[00:35:17] Yes

[00:35:18] So he goes in

[00:35:19] And then you have some adventures on Pandora

[00:35:21] Right, okay

[00:35:22] So he goes with them very quickly

[00:35:24] Immediately again smart

[00:35:26] And then you don't fucking waste time on this

[00:35:28] On him being like

[00:35:29] Oh, how to be an avatar

[00:35:31] Within like two minutes of him

[00:35:33] In the tari body on Pandora

[00:35:35] With Grace and Norm

[00:35:37] He like comes face to face with

[00:35:39] Is the first creature they see the fanator?

[00:35:41] The big rhino

[00:35:42] Oh right yes

[00:35:43] I don't know what that one's called

[00:35:45] And he like sort of

[00:35:47] Chases, he engages with it

[00:35:49] And then it chases him

[00:35:50] He jumps over a waterfall

[00:35:51] He gets stranded from the rest of the group

[00:35:53] No, no, it's the rhino

[00:35:54] He beats the rhino

[00:35:55] Or he thinks he's like had it submit

[00:35:56] But then the Thanator shows up

[00:35:58] Attacks the rhino, attacks him

[00:35:59] Yeah, he jumps over a waterfall

[00:36:00] Then it's night time

[00:36:02] He's gonna get eaten by a bunch of little

[00:36:03] And the big thing is that

[00:36:04] So they're like circling around

[00:36:06] With Trudy and the helicopter

[00:36:07] And she's like

[00:36:08] They won't let us out past dark

[00:36:09] We just gotta leave

[00:36:10] And hope that he's gonna be okay

[00:36:11] Yeah

[00:36:12] So they all go

[00:36:13] And he's just alone on

[00:36:14] On the moon of Pandora

[00:36:15] Mm-hmm

[00:36:16] And he fights the Viper Wolves

[00:36:18] He's wet

[00:36:19] Yeah, he's gonna fight

[00:36:20] He's a little wet

[00:36:21] And also this is Cameron showing off

[00:36:23] Right?

[00:36:24] He's built this big glowy world

[00:36:25] Yeah

[00:36:26] And it's cool

[00:36:27] It's really cool

[00:36:28] This is where the 3D is important

[00:36:30] Can I throw out something too?

[00:36:31] Because it makes the world seem real

[00:36:32] Yeah

[00:36:33] Lighting-wise

[00:36:35] For whatever reason

[00:36:36] Because it's all digital

[00:36:37] But for whatever reason

[00:36:38] Anytime there's

[00:36:39] This is all mocap guys

[00:36:40] Yeah

[00:36:41] At this point the movie is

[00:36:42] 90% animated

[00:36:43] It's an animated film

[00:36:44] Right

[00:36:45] Which is really weird that

[00:36:46] It's never considered as such

[00:36:47] And Cameron like fights that way

[00:36:49] Oh, this was animated?

[00:36:51] Well this movie has a lot of

[00:36:53] Live action stuff

[00:36:54] It does

[00:36:55] Can I throw a counterpoint out to you?

[00:36:57] I mean, yeah

[00:36:58] Okay

[00:36:59] What's your counterpoint?

[00:37:01] It doesn't?

[00:37:02] I mean, I don't know what you're saying

[00:37:03] Every year the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies

[00:37:05] Qualify for the best animated feature

[00:37:07] At Oscars

[00:37:09] Mm-hmm

[00:37:10] They're qualified to be a nominee

[00:37:12] Because there's enough animation

[00:37:13] For it to constitute being an animated movie

[00:37:14] Okay

[00:37:15] And those movies are

[00:37:16] A couple animated characters

[00:37:18] In a live action world

[00:37:19] But isn't this a submission thing

[00:37:20] Like Fox would have to submit it as an animated movie?

[00:37:22] 100%

[00:37:23] But I'm saying this is more of an animated movie

[00:37:24] Than Alvin and the Chipmunks

[00:37:25] But what kind of an argument is that?

[00:37:27] That doesn't mean anything

[00:37:28] It means everything

[00:37:29] No, it doesn't

[00:37:30] It doesn't mean anything at all

[00:37:31] It's about the sky, come on

[00:37:32] Listen

[00:37:33] God

[00:37:34] David's really loving me today

[00:37:36] Ugh

[00:37:37] I'm coming here

[00:37:38] To stir up some shit

[00:37:39] I'm being a little stinker today

[00:37:41] You really are

[00:37:43] They

[00:37:45] For whatever reason

[00:37:46] I think the Navi look

[00:37:47] Really good

[00:37:48] When they're lit by fire

[00:37:49] They do

[00:37:50] There are like a bunch of scenes in this movie

[00:37:51] Where fire happens

[00:37:52] For one reason or another

[00:37:53] Good entrance

[00:37:54] Good introduction to the world

[00:37:56] Right, yeah

[00:37:57] Like having that scene at night

[00:37:58] Very early on

[00:37:59] But I think their skin

[00:38:00] The actual texture of the skin

[00:38:01] For whatever reason

[00:38:02] When the fire lights reflecting off of them

[00:38:03] They look more

[00:38:04] I get you

[00:38:05] Realistic

[00:38:06] It's just like all the fire scenes

[00:38:07] In this film

[00:38:08] I think that everything looks pretty realistic

[00:38:10] Considering how cartoonish it is

[00:38:11] Except for weirdly the Thanator

[00:38:13] When I was rewatching

[00:38:14] I was like

[00:38:15] Thanators, maybe it's like

[00:38:16] It's like jet black

[00:38:18] For some reason it just kind of looks a little faking

[00:38:20] Oh, see I like Thanator

[00:38:21] Oh my god

[00:38:22] You disagree with me on every fucking minor point

[00:38:24] But I think some of the

[00:38:25] I was surprised by how much

[00:38:27] Of the film I thought

[00:38:29] Started to already age a little bit

[00:38:32] Yeah, we really disagree on everything

[00:38:34] Just because I think technology

[00:38:35] Moves so fast that we're already like

[00:38:36] What's a movie now

[00:38:37] That looks better than this

[00:38:38] I mean I think the ape work

[00:38:39] In the Planet of the Apes movies is like

[00:38:42] Wow, we're really just

[00:38:44] Opposite ends here

[00:38:45] I totally disagree

[00:38:46] David's playing the opposite of

[00:38:47] Flitzy under the table with me

[00:38:49] He's kicking me in the shins

[00:38:51] I think the ape work

[00:38:52] In the Rise and the Dawn movies

[00:38:54] Is excellent but

[00:38:56] You know, you're like

[00:38:58] That's a cartoon

[00:38:59] Now obviously that has the problem

[00:39:00] That it's a real thing

[00:39:02] I like the neutron

[00:39:04] I love the neutron my friend

[00:39:06] Love that neutron

[00:39:08] Love it

[00:39:11] There were just some moments

[00:39:12] In this where I just

[00:39:13] I see

[00:39:14] Not even like in terms of

[00:39:15] Realism of like texture or whatever

[00:39:17] But just the limitations

[00:39:19] Of like mocap data collection

[00:39:22] Where some of the movements

[00:39:23] Feel a little bit incomplete to me

[00:39:24] Like they weren't able to pick up

[00:39:26] On all the subtleties of everything

[00:39:28] I just don't think there's

[00:39:29] A lot of movies now

[00:39:30] That look as good as this movie

[00:39:33] They really aren't

[00:39:34] I mean obviously the money helps

[00:39:36] I mean this was a big budget movie

[00:39:37] Yeah, I pure a lot of money

[00:39:38] And I just think

[00:39:39] This movie wasn't a lot of ways

[00:39:40] Like a testing ground for technology stuff

[00:39:42] Hey couldn't you argue though

[00:39:43] That some of the video games

[00:39:44] That have come out in the last few years

[00:39:46] Looked better

[00:39:47] Nope, than this movie

[00:39:48] Someone who plays a lot of video games

[00:39:50] Ben did you hear that

[00:39:51] David doesn't like the moon's a Jupiter?

[00:39:53] No we're not doing that again

[00:39:55] He doesn't even

[00:39:56] It's like that

[00:39:57] He's like trying to say

[00:39:58] Like sabotage them

[00:39:59] Like this is a moon

[00:40:00] You gotta keep that in mind by the way

[00:40:02] This is a moon

[00:40:03] It's like a moon a Jupiter

[00:40:04] This is moon a Jupiter

[00:40:05] Last giant it's sort of like a blue Jupiter

[00:40:07] So I'm just gonna move us forward

[00:40:09] Let's go say he gets stranded

[00:40:10] He's in survival mode

[00:40:11] He very quickly comes across Natiri

[00:40:13] Meet Natiri

[00:40:14] Who rules

[00:40:15] Who's great character

[00:40:16] Zoe Saldana

[00:40:17] She's one of my best friends

[00:40:18] No

[00:40:19] I think you're acquaintances

[00:40:20] I know we're pretty close

[00:40:21] We hang out like a lot

[00:40:22] We don't see each other a lot

[00:40:23] But when we do see each other

[00:40:24] We hang out like really hard

[00:40:25] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:40:26] I do

[00:40:27] Zoe Saldana plays her

[00:40:29] And she's gonna shoot him with an arrow

[00:40:31] Because she thinks he's a big dork

[00:40:33] Who sucks

[00:40:34] Which he kinda is

[00:40:35] That's what you do to dorks

[00:40:36] But then a fluffy fluff

[00:40:37] Lands on her bow

[00:40:38] And he's like watch out

[00:40:40] Fluff fluff

[00:40:41] And so she's like alright

[00:40:43] And then helps him instead

[00:40:44] And then a bunch of fluffy fluff lands on him

[00:40:46] It's got a pure heart but he's stupid

[00:40:47] You know, again

[00:40:48] This is some obvious

[00:40:50] Fucking bullshit

[00:40:51] I cannot deny

[00:40:52] That there's a bunch of fluff

[00:40:54] That lands on him

[00:40:55] And that means that everyone has to be chill with him

[00:40:57] But the movie's just fucking

[00:40:58] It's truckin' it

[00:40:59] It's just like yeah whatever man

[00:41:00] Let's just get to it

[00:41:01] You have a problem

[00:41:02] Fuck you

[00:41:03] I mean it is

[00:41:04] It's very last in the Mohicans

[00:41:05] Which is about

[00:41:06] Like a white man who is raised

[00:41:08] You know, in the Mohican tribe

[00:41:10] And like so you know right

[00:41:11] It's like the outsider who learns their ways

[00:41:13] And is then like one of the people

[00:41:15] It's a cultural appropriation movie

[00:41:17] Because he literally gets in the body

[00:41:19] Of the other people

[00:41:20] And the movie explores that

[00:41:23] Tension to some extent

[00:41:25] And then eventually decides to drop it

[00:41:27] Because it's got action to get to

[00:41:29] And this is a three act movie

[00:41:31] With you know the typical like

[00:41:33] They reject him and then they accept him again

[00:41:35] And like structure

[00:41:36] And it turns out this white outsider

[00:41:37] Is like everything than they are

[00:41:38] And isn't he the one that essentially

[00:41:40] Ruins the day for them

[00:41:42] Because he's like their inside man

[00:41:44] Nah I mean

[00:41:45] I'm like both

[00:41:46] He ruins it but he saves it

[00:41:47] He doesn't really ruin it

[00:41:48] Honestly one of my biggest problems with the movies

[00:41:50] That moment when they're all like

[00:41:51] You betrayed us

[00:41:52] It's like well no

[00:41:53] Like it's not like he went and told them

[00:41:55] Like you know what you should do

[00:41:56] Is blow up the home tree

[00:41:57] They were gonna do that anyway

[00:41:58] Yeah

[00:41:59] He didn't really do anything at all

[00:42:00] They were all about that unobtainium

[00:42:01] That's the thing

[00:42:02] I mean they were gonna get there

[00:42:03] By hook or by cruff

[00:42:04] He gave them a map

[00:42:05] To the inside of the tree

[00:42:07] But how useful is that

[00:42:08] They just blow up the tree

[00:42:09] Well and like

[00:42:10] Courage is constantly like

[00:42:11] And we good intel

[00:42:12] But then you watch the intel

[00:42:13] And he's like their people are interesting

[00:42:14] You know the intel's like

[00:42:16] They live in a tree

[00:42:17] Right

[00:42:18] And I ride horses

[00:42:19] And I have a flying thing

[00:42:21] And I fly around

[00:42:22] Yeah I think that one's cute

[00:42:23] Yeah

[00:42:24] I date the chieftain's daughter

[00:42:25] She's nice to me

[00:42:26] It's like good intel

[00:42:27] The other guy doesn't

[00:42:28] Apparently the chieftain's daughter is single

[00:42:30] We got everything we need to go in now

[00:42:32] So

[00:42:34] Yeah you know

[00:42:36] So like I mean obviously James Cameron

[00:42:38] Is quote unquote getting away with

[00:42:40] Everything the other themes we're talking about

[00:42:42] Because this is about blue people right

[00:42:43] So it doesn't have to be

[00:42:45] About one particular

[00:42:47] Culture that is being invaded

[00:42:50] But it's also

[00:42:51] You see a lot of similarities between

[00:42:52] All of them

[00:42:53] There are a lot of similarities

[00:42:54] Between sort of tribal cultures

[00:42:55] Across our world throughout history

[00:42:57] I mean he's using a lot of iconography

[00:42:59] He's hitting a lot of just

[00:43:01] Different eras of colonialism

[00:43:03] Correct

[00:43:04] But this is also a movie about

[00:43:06] Colonialisms

[00:43:07] ILS

[00:43:08] Yeah

[00:43:09] And obviously this is a film where

[00:43:10] Humanity is a great evil

[00:43:12] That needs to be destroyed

[00:43:13] Yeah

[00:43:14] And it's

[00:43:15] To me very much a film

[00:43:17] About the Iraq war

[00:43:19] I think it's

[00:43:20] Incredibly obviously

[00:43:21] And like was made in the

[00:43:23] Shadow of the Iraq war

[00:43:24] And like

[00:43:25] I think the imagery is like

[00:43:26] Very powerful in that regard

[00:43:27] I agree

[00:43:28] You know some of the other stuff

[00:43:30] Is yeah

[00:43:31] It's broad and goofy

[00:43:32] Yeah

[00:43:33] There's

[00:43:34] There's forest people

[00:43:35] Who sleep in hammocks

[00:43:36] And they respect the earth and nature

[00:43:38] But the hammocks hug them

[00:43:39] Yeah

[00:43:40] There's little hammocks

[00:43:41] I mean it's

[00:43:42] And then of course

[00:43:43] He

[00:43:44] Being James Cameron

[00:43:45] You can't resist having their religion

[00:43:46] Not be some vagomorphous

[00:43:48] Goddess or whatever

[00:43:49] But this idea that like

[00:43:51] Yeah

[00:43:52] That hey nature is internet baby

[00:43:53] Yeah

[00:43:54] All the trees are linked to each other

[00:43:55] So you just plug into that tree

[00:43:56] I mean it's a good selling point

[00:43:58] Because other religions are like

[00:43:59] Hey you just gotta believe

[00:44:00] And this one's like

[00:44:01] Oh you have a Mac God?

[00:44:02] She's over there

[00:44:03] Yeah she's the tree

[00:44:04] Just plug your hair into it

[00:44:05] You should go

[00:44:06] You should go hair fuck God

[00:44:07] Yeah yeah you want to do that right now

[00:44:08] Now

[00:44:09] If a religion was promising me on earth

[00:44:11] That I could fuck God

[00:44:12] I would become the most religious person in the world

[00:44:14] I think everyone would

[00:44:15] I mean this is not a movie

[00:44:16] Where you see people who are like

[00:44:18] You know I don't really believe in AWA

[00:44:20] Eh

[00:44:21] You know my parents believed in it

[00:44:22] So I go

[00:44:23] I go to AWA high holidays

[00:44:25] But I'm not really an AWA believer

[00:44:26] I hope that Avatar 4

[00:44:28] Is about Naviatheus

[00:44:29] Maybe Avatar 2 is going to be

[00:44:31] About them having kids

[00:44:32] And the kids are like

[00:44:33] Eh AWA's overrated

[00:44:34] Like Avatar Satanist they fuck rocks

[00:44:36] Instead

[00:44:37] There is no like Satan

[00:44:40] No

[00:44:41] There's no like bad

[00:44:42] I mean white man

[00:44:43] Well yeah

[00:44:44] White man devil

[00:44:45] Great Satan

[00:44:46] Giovanni Robisi

[00:44:47] The greatest Satanist of all

[00:44:48] Giovanni Robisi Steven Lang baby

[00:44:49] One two punch of evil white guys

[00:44:51] So the middle

[00:44:53] Or well no

[00:44:54] This is a pretty long movie

[00:44:55] So I'd say like the middle first

[00:44:57] I don't know

[00:44:58] The sort of long extended first act

[00:45:00] Everything we've talked about is just the first act of five

[00:45:02] I would say

[00:45:03] I'd say there are five acts in this movie

[00:45:05] Well it's like intro

[00:45:07] I would say this is more like a high school essay

[00:45:09] You got intro, paragraphs one two three

[00:45:12] Conclusion

[00:45:13] I love that dude

[00:45:14] Five acts

[00:45:15] But like the

[00:45:16] I'm saying the

[00:45:17] The acts on the side are pretty small

[00:45:19] Sure

[00:45:20] Cause like the real first act of the movie

[00:45:21] You could watch this movie

[00:45:22] And put an intermission probably

[00:45:24] This is like a two intermission movie

[00:45:26] If you really wanted to be

[00:45:27] Put an intermission right when he flies

[00:45:30] When he quote unquote becomes one of the people

[00:45:33] All the training shit

[00:45:35] This next chunk of the movie is that

[00:45:36] She brings him back to her people

[00:45:38] And they're like what the fuck is this

[00:45:39] He's a sky person

[00:45:41] Sky person

[00:45:42] He's a devil

[00:45:43] And they're like

[00:45:44] What's your deal

[00:45:45] What tribe are you from

[00:45:46] She's got a mean

[00:45:47] Oh yeah he says he's in the jar head tribe

[00:45:49] You like that

[00:45:50] But he said no

[00:45:51] It's that he says he's a warrior

[00:45:52] And they're like interesting

[00:45:53] They've never sent us

[00:45:54] But also the fluff

[00:45:55] But also the fluff

[00:45:56] But the fluff but it's those two things together

[00:45:57] Right

[00:45:58] They're like that's bizarre

[00:45:59] Because they've only ever sent these doctors

[00:46:00] These teachers

[00:46:01] Which we're not going to teach them

[00:46:02] How to ride the horses

[00:46:03] And the birdies

[00:46:04] Right these seemingly peaceful people

[00:46:05] There's a new approach here

[00:46:06] So like we got to get close

[00:46:07] And keep our friends close

[00:46:08] And just to figure out what's going on

[00:46:09] Also the fluff's we can't argue with the fluff

[00:46:10] Fluffs are big

[00:46:11] He's got a crush on Nateri

[00:46:13] She's got a

[00:46:14] She's betrothed to

[00:46:16] Sute

[00:46:17] Yeah

[00:46:18] Who is played by

[00:46:19] Lausazano

[00:46:20] La

[00:46:21] Wait is it

[00:46:22] Lausalanzo

[00:46:23] It's not Lausalanzo

[00:46:24] It's not Lausalanzo

[00:46:25] You're right it's not Lausalanzo

[00:46:26] I get those names

[00:46:28] Me too

[00:46:29] Lausalanzo who

[00:46:30] He's in like

[00:46:31] What is he in the fourth fast and furious

[00:46:34] He's in one

[00:46:35] He's in stuff

[00:46:36] He's a guy

[00:46:37] He's a guy

[00:46:38] He's pretty good

[00:46:39] He's a good actor

[00:46:40] I like suit suit

[00:46:41] I think he's good in this

[00:46:42] I think because I think he's pushing through

[00:46:44] The mocap

[00:46:45] He's doing a good job

[00:46:46] Let's see

[00:46:47] Wait he was

[00:46:48] Yes he's in the fourth one

[00:46:49] So

[00:46:50] And you meet the

[00:46:52] Oh he was in 38 episodes of Mystery the Lore

[00:46:54] That's a thing I was thinking of

[00:46:55] Right he's actually very cute in there

[00:46:58] You got CCH Pounder plays

[00:46:59] Mouatt

[00:47:00] The sort of

[00:47:03] I don't know

[00:47:04] The shaman, the village elder

[00:47:05] She's good in this

[00:47:06] She's terrific

[00:47:07] I mean

[00:47:08] So good in this

[00:47:09] Amazing act

[00:47:10] Do we know what the CCH stands for?

[00:47:12] Carol

[00:47:13] Christine

[00:47:14] Hilaria

[00:47:15] That's cool

[00:47:16] Love CCH Pounder seriously

[00:47:17] One of the greatest TV actresses ever

[00:47:19] Not in as many movies that she maybe could be

[00:47:21] Or like should be

[00:47:22] But she's in so many cool TV shows

[00:47:24] She's on NCIS

[00:47:25] That's not really what I would lead with

[00:47:27] NCIS, New Orleans

[00:47:29] I mean the

[00:47:30] The ER and the shield

[00:47:32] Those are two like

[00:47:33] Two definitive TV performances for me

[00:47:35] And then West study

[00:47:38] Yes

[00:47:39] A Native American actor

[00:47:40] Yes who is

[00:47:41] He's in so many movies

[00:47:42] He's in the last of the Mohekins

[00:47:43] Mystery man he's in the last of the Mohekins

[00:47:45] He's in

[00:47:46] So good in the last of the Mohekins

[00:47:47] The New World

[00:47:48] I think he's often brought on

[00:47:50] For those movies especially also as like a bit of a consultant

[00:47:52] Sure

[00:47:53] And in average

[00:47:54] She is a double dude

[00:47:55] Yes

[00:47:56] He's A2 Khan

[00:47:57] He's the clan leader or whatever

[00:47:59] Yeah

[00:48:00] Yeah

[00:48:01] He's an actor

[00:48:02] He's all these folks but

[00:48:03] I mean the main thing is

[00:48:04] Learn how to ride a horse

[00:48:05] Learn how to use your hair plug

[00:48:06] Right

[00:48:07] You plug your hair into shit

[00:48:08] The parents are like

[00:48:09] Look

[00:48:10] You know what?

[00:48:11] Fine

[00:48:12] He can stay

[00:48:13] Let's get him close

[00:48:14] Figure out what's going on

[00:48:15] He can learn our culture

[00:48:16] Nantiri that's your job

[00:48:17] Mom

[00:48:18] Dad

[00:48:19] I gotta hang out with this guy

[00:48:21] And he's like

[00:48:23] And then they start hanging out

[00:48:24] She's giving him the lessons, the ropes

[00:48:26] Sute's a little mean to him

[00:48:27] Takes like 50 minutes

[00:48:28] I mean like 50 minutes of the movie are just

[00:48:30] Sort of like him

[00:48:31] Yeah but I think this is brilliant

[00:48:32] Well it's all visually stunning stuff

[00:48:34] No but I also think

[00:48:35] You need it because you need to feel

[00:48:37] How bad it is when

[00:48:39] When you know the attack happens

[00:48:41] 100%

[00:48:42] You need to be in the world

[00:48:43] The whole key of the movie is to get you in this world

[00:48:45] And also to

[00:48:47] Explain all the rules of everything now

[00:48:50] So at the last hour

[00:48:52] You can have almost no dialogue

[00:48:53] And just go breathlessly through everything

[00:48:55] With shorthand already in your back pocket

[00:48:57] Totally

[00:48:58] So good

[00:48:59] It's well done stuff

[00:49:01] You know maybe

[00:49:02] Leans a little bit too much on voiceover

[00:49:04] A lot of voiceover

[00:49:05] Which the device of course

[00:49:07] Is that he's talking to the camera

[00:49:09] For his like science log

[00:49:11] Oh come on guys

[00:49:12] I like it

[00:49:13] Who doesn't love a good confessional

[00:49:14] Me too I like it

[00:49:15] I'm into it

[00:49:16] I wish we got more gossip

[00:49:18] Ben I'm surprised

[00:49:20] He's good at gossip

[00:49:21] I'm surprised we haven't talked about

[00:49:23] The most prominent element of this film

[00:49:26] And the one I expect you to react most strongly to

[00:49:28] What's that

[00:49:29] The Navir big baby

[00:49:31] Oh yes

[00:49:32] You're right

[00:49:33] I did notice that

[00:49:34] They are very hard to kill

[00:49:36] They're humans

[00:49:38] Then there's Navi they're bigger

[00:49:39] Yeah

[00:49:40] Big and skinny

[00:49:41] Like a person with bigger

[00:49:42] You know you see their hands by our heads

[00:49:45] And what's cool about that

[00:49:47] You're seeing it on the big screen

[00:49:48] I didn't get to see it on the big screen

[00:49:49] But you're seeing it on the big screen

[00:49:50] You're like damn those hands are huge

[00:49:54] I'm like this movie was designed for dummies like me

[00:49:57] This is basically like oh they're blue

[00:50:00] It's 3D and they're big

[00:50:01] Alright let's do it

[00:50:03] Kids

[00:50:05] So

[00:50:06] Quarage comes to Jake Sully

[00:50:08] Kids

[00:50:09] Bring the kids

[00:50:10] We got a big old blue movie

[00:50:12] Jake's in love with all the Navi culture

[00:50:14] He's getting in deep right

[00:50:16] And he's fallen head over heels with Natiri

[00:50:19] And Grace is like

[00:50:21] Yo watch out

[00:50:22] You gotta keep a separation between work and play

[00:50:25] She's not really like that

[00:50:26] Church and state

[00:50:27] In the extended version there's the scene they have

[00:50:29] Where she then talks about

[00:50:31] She ran the school for the Navi

[00:50:34] Trying to teach them

[00:50:35] And it resulted in a massacre that killed Natiri's sister

[00:50:39] Which is a very good scene that

[00:50:41] Sigourney crushes

[00:50:42] Sigourney does a good job

[00:50:43] Thank God they cut it in my opinion

[00:50:45] I think it's a good scene

[00:50:46] I would have kept that in

[00:50:47] I think it's too much info tilting

[00:50:50] Natiri against the ultimate decision

[00:50:53] She's gonna make

[00:50:54] I think they did a good job

[00:50:56] I think it helps her character a lot

[00:50:58] We just were disagreeing on everything

[00:51:01] I thought you were saying

[00:51:02] Like she gave him the talk

[00:51:04] You know like the

[00:51:06] Talk about the turrocks and the floating tree things

[00:51:10] No no no but the other thing is

[00:51:12] Any extended edition of the sex scene is way longer

[00:51:16] And they join their hair together

[00:51:19] And they go like

[00:51:20] Yeah there's a moment where she goes

[00:51:21] Yeah which is again very wisely cut

[00:51:25] She's been even longer

[00:51:26] I slowed it down when I watched it

[00:51:29] Oh boy

[00:51:33] She has this little relationship

[00:51:34] Cause she starts out hating him

[00:51:35] And she has this little

[00:51:36] Like beat with him or she's like

[00:51:38] I know what's happening

[00:51:39] Like I remember it too when I first started tarring

[00:51:41] And it's pretty addictive

[00:51:43] But you got on your same

[00:51:44] Like this is just a thing

[00:51:45] This is a part of life

[00:51:46] You gotta have some time for yourself

[00:51:47] You can't get too deep into this

[00:51:48] Right I don't like that

[00:51:49] I like it

[00:51:50] I don't because again

[00:51:51] I feel like that's not what the movie's about

[00:51:52] The movie is not about like

[00:51:54] The dangers of him getting lost in his avatar

[00:51:56] We know that

[00:51:58] Him getting lost in his avatar

[00:51:59] Is the right thing for him to do

[00:52:01] And we're totally on board with him

[00:52:02] Like leaving his dumb flesh body behind

[00:52:05] Cause it sucks

[00:52:06] But that's why I like it

[00:52:07] It's a stupid body

[00:52:08] But each eggs drinks some coffee

[00:52:10] No I mean definitely each eggs and drinks coffee

[00:52:11] And take a shot

[00:52:12] Take care of yourself

[00:52:13] Yeah

[00:52:14] Do you think they can poop in the chamber

[00:52:16] In the like the coffins

[00:52:18] The sarcophagi

[00:52:19] You know what they didn't deal with that

[00:52:20] At all

[00:52:21] They didn't deal with it

[00:52:22] They don't do a lot of that to where it's like

[00:52:24] It'd be funny if like they open it

[00:52:25] And they're like

[00:52:27] You got it going

[00:52:28] Well they don't

[00:52:29] It sounds like the kind of matrix rules

[00:52:30] Of like if you die in the matrix

[00:52:31] You die here kind of stuff

[00:52:32] No cause you don't

[00:52:33] If you die in the avatar

[00:52:35] You do wake up

[00:52:36] And that's what they feel great

[00:52:37] When she's saying that like

[00:52:38] You know he

[00:52:40] Losing weight

[00:52:41] And he's like

[00:52:42] I just ate a big feast there

[00:52:43] And she's like

[00:52:44] Gotta take care of this body

[00:52:45] Cause it's like that food doesn't translate

[00:52:46] Do you think if he takes a shit

[00:52:48] Like if he feels like he needs to take a shit

[00:52:49] And he takes a shit

[00:52:50] In the navi world

[00:52:51] And he's like

[00:52:52] Good got that off my deck

[00:52:53] And then he wakes up

[00:52:54] And he's got like a full load

[00:52:55] He asked

[00:52:56] I think he has to go take care of that

[00:52:57] Hey you know what

[00:52:58] Tweet at us guys

[00:52:59] Yeah Tweet at us

[00:53:00] Definitely avatar

[00:53:01] Hashtag avatar dump

[00:53:02] Just do it right

[00:53:03] Yeah

[00:53:04] Right

[00:53:05] Poop at us

[00:53:06] Avertured

[00:53:07] Tweet avatar at us

[00:53:08] Alright so

[00:53:10] What I like about that thing that is set up

[00:53:13] In the grace Augustine scene

[00:53:15] Is that it does show

[00:53:17] That is the difference with him

[00:53:18] Where everyone else it is just a job

[00:53:19] And this is the life he's going to take

[00:53:21] The fact that she's like

[00:53:22] You gotta keep a distance

[00:53:23] Between work and life

[00:53:24] You can't get too deep into this stuff

[00:53:26] He's the one guy who actually has

[00:53:27] Nothing going for him in his outside life

[00:53:29] He's ready to go all in on this shit

[00:53:31] Sure

[00:53:32] Absolutely

[00:53:33] I like her giving him the warning

[00:53:34] Because then it makes it clear that it's like

[00:53:36] You know he's the exception

[00:53:37] Okay fine

[00:53:38] Different difference of opinion

[00:53:40] You like bagels

[00:53:41] Love bagels

[00:53:42] Cool cool we're friends again

[00:53:43] We're always friends

[00:53:45] We're the two friends

[00:53:46] We're the two friends

[00:53:47] Fucking hell

[00:53:48] Fucking hell we're the two friends

[00:53:49] Alright so she flies

[00:53:50] That's a big deal

[00:53:51] Yeah

[00:53:52] He gets his little pterodon or whatever

[00:53:54] Yeah they call him banshees

[00:53:55] But that's like sort of the cloak wheel name

[00:53:56] For out cards or something

[00:53:58] It's like leopteryx

[00:54:00] Yeah

[00:54:01] Now it looks like leopteryx is like a specific

[00:54:03] Is one of them

[00:54:04] There's another name they call him banshees

[00:54:06] Co-loquially

[00:54:07] Is what they call the dragons

[00:54:09] Leonopteryx

[00:54:11] And then

[00:54:12] They

[00:54:13] She talks about Turok

[00:54:15] Four shadowing

[00:54:18] She shows him the Turok skull

[00:54:19] Yeah there's one scene of four shadowing

[00:54:21] Just so you get who that is

[00:54:23] Right and you also are then able to

[00:54:25] Understand Turok the first flight

[00:54:27] Well of course they needed to set up Turok

[00:54:29] The first flight which would eventually hit

[00:54:31] Arena seven years later

[00:54:32] They needed to set that up

[00:54:33] Right Turok Todd this is the guy's last

[00:54:35] Shadow he's the biggest one

[00:54:36] My great grandfather

[00:54:37] God forbid that show do any

[00:54:39] Heavy lifting with this story telling

[00:54:43] My grandfather he was

[00:54:45] The first Turok Todd

[00:54:46] There've only been like four or five

[00:54:47] Since then if you do that you might

[00:54:48] Try

[00:54:49] It's Turok Mechtow

[00:54:50] Turok Mechtow

[00:54:51] Why don't you keep on saying Turok Todd

[00:54:52] I don't know writer of the last shadow

[00:54:54] Mechtow

[00:54:55] Mechtow

[00:54:56] Right Mechtow

[00:54:57] Okay so

[00:54:58] He gets his own

[00:54:59] She's like look this is no easy thing

[00:55:01] Unlike riding a dire horse

[00:55:03] If you're linking up with a banshee

[00:55:05] It's like permanent connection

[00:55:07] So he has to go and kind of like

[00:55:09] He wrestles one

[00:55:10] I think that scene is fantastic

[00:55:12] Good

[00:55:13] The whole scene where you know

[00:55:14] And then the flight he takes

[00:55:15] And again in the 3D

[00:55:16] Cameron like few directors

[00:55:18] Gets like 3D works best with negative space

[00:55:20] It works best when you're

[00:55:21] You know to give a sense of being

[00:55:23] There

[00:55:24] Lots of like zoomed out shots

[00:55:26] I mean him and Michael Bay

[00:55:27] They're the only ones who got

[00:55:28] How do you get 3D

[00:55:29] Spatial geography Cameron's got

[00:55:30] A killer sense of spatial geography

[00:55:31] It's the best

[00:55:32] You need that for 3D

[00:55:33] Yup

[00:55:34] Okay so that's where you say

[00:55:35] Like the intermission would happen

[00:55:37] That's intermission one

[00:55:38] Intermission two

[00:55:39] And then they fuck after that

[00:55:40] Yeah because she's like

[00:55:42] Okay so you're one of the people now

[00:55:44] Like he

[00:55:45] Because Steven Lang's

[00:55:46] Quattrox giving him the like

[00:55:47] That's what I'm trying to remember

[00:55:48] We're moving in

[00:55:49] So that happened before after the fucking

[00:55:50] No it's before

[00:55:51] Okay so he says we're moving in

[00:55:52] And Jake's always like well I have

[00:55:53] My one last investiture

[00:55:55] You know my bar mitzvah essentially

[00:55:56] He's like I got real legs for you

[00:55:57] You can go back to earth

[00:55:58] Be able to walk again

[00:55:59] Why don't you get on that flight

[00:56:00] Leave now

[00:56:01] And he's like

[00:56:02] I really have my bar mitzvah to get to

[00:56:04] Right and he's like if I get the

[00:56:06] Bar mitzvah I'll be able to convince him

[00:56:07] To do anything

[00:56:08] Give me at least let me stay for that

[00:56:10] So he does the bar mitzvah

[00:56:11] And then he's curious like

[00:56:12] Now you can pick a mate

[00:56:13] Bly's the best singer

[00:56:14] Which I think is

[00:56:15] First he has to assign the candles

[00:56:18] My first candle goes to my father

[00:56:20] For always supporting me

[00:56:22] And all of my interest

[00:56:23] Dad you're the best

[00:56:24] Like to bring up to the stage

[00:56:26] Robert Sully

[00:56:30] Da da da da

[00:56:34] Da da da da feeling hot hot hot

[00:56:36] And then Robert Sully walks up

[00:56:38] Does a little dance

[00:56:39] Lights a candle

[00:56:40] What doesn't say I'm worth anything to him

[00:56:41] Was he doing

[00:56:42] He played a Jew in the debt

[00:56:43] Or whatever that movie was

[00:56:44] Yeah he did

[00:56:45] There's that crazy casting

[00:56:46] That movie where he's supposed

[00:56:47] To grow into Kieran Hines

[00:56:50] Look maybe he just really

[00:56:53] Really laid into the booze

[00:56:54] And the fatty food

[00:56:56] Those are two very different faces

[00:56:58] And the 60 cigarettes a day

[00:57:00] Kieran Hines has a lot of face

[00:57:01] Kieran Hines has a 60 cigarette a day face

[00:57:03] Yeah right

[00:57:04] Yeah but like not like he's just

[00:57:05] Like he's kind of a cigarette

[00:57:07] And not just that he's smoking

[00:57:08] Out of the mouth

[00:57:09] But like he's sticking cigarettes

[00:57:10] In his eye holes

[00:57:11] In his nostrils

[00:57:12] Like he's smoking out of the full face

[00:57:14] I love Kieran Hines

[00:57:15] He's a great actor

[00:57:16] Anyway

[00:57:17] He becomes one of the people

[00:57:19] Yeah the show

[00:57:20] Bulldozers roll in

[00:57:21] After he has sex with Natyree

[00:57:23] Right well let's not gloss over that

[00:57:25] Yeah let's get into it

[00:57:26] They fuck each other's braids out

[00:57:27] But how

[00:57:28] Ohhhh

[00:57:31] Boo

[00:57:32] No come on

[00:57:33] I'm gonna say

[00:57:34] Then

[00:57:35] Three comedy points

[00:57:36] Thank you

[00:57:37] Thank you

[00:57:38] The bulldozers come in

[00:57:39] Yeah

[00:57:40] This is the most fern gully scene

[00:57:42] Yeah

[00:57:43] And he smashes the camera

[00:57:44] Which I think is

[00:57:45] Cool

[00:57:46] Now let's point something out about the bulldozers

[00:57:50] Pretty uh

[00:57:51] Pretty cool

[00:57:52] Boy

[00:57:54] Go on

[00:57:55] We're not even tired

[00:57:56] Go on

[00:57:57] They're huge

[00:57:59] Bulldozers

[00:58:00] Pretty cool

[00:58:02] No they're so big

[00:58:03] Yeah they're big

[00:58:04] I mean a lot of big things in this

[00:58:05] Speak on that Ben

[00:58:06] Alright

[00:58:07] Well it reminded me sort of like

[00:58:09] Mario Brothers

[00:58:10] The third one

[00:58:11] You know that last level

[00:58:12] Super Mario Brothers 3

[00:58:13] Yeah

[00:58:14] Where it's like the big ass ship

[00:58:16] I love those ships

[00:58:17] Remind me of a huge ship

[00:58:19] Like uh

[00:58:20] That's what I got

[00:58:21] Great thank you men

[00:58:22] I agree

[00:58:23] So I like all this stuff in the movie

[00:58:24] Yeah me too

[00:58:25] But I love like everything post

[00:58:27] I like love everything post bulldozer

[00:58:29] When things get real

[00:58:30] That's where I think the movie

[00:58:32] Cashes in it

[00:58:33] Yeah I agree

[00:58:34] The movie spends an hour and a half

[00:58:35] Investing you

[00:58:36] You know

[00:58:37] It

[00:58:38] Makes you put a bunch of coins

[00:58:40] In the slot machine

[00:58:41] So that it can pay out

[00:58:42] In the last hour and a half

[00:58:43] And it does

[00:58:44] You're spending a lot of money

[00:58:45] And they're asking you to

[00:58:46] Invest a lot of faith in them

[00:58:47] It's not dissimilar to Titanic

[00:58:49] Which does like a lot of leg work

[00:58:50] No

[00:58:51] And sometimes can be a little corny

[00:58:53] But then you know

[00:58:54] It works

[00:58:55] And I think

[00:58:56] Inception does a similar thing

[00:58:57] Where it's like stick with us

[00:58:58] For the first chunk

[00:58:59] And then the last half

[00:59:00] Where it's pure play

[00:59:01] We're gonna give you all the fun

[00:59:03] Love inception

[00:59:05] Great movie

[00:59:06] Great movie

[00:59:07] Let's do Chris Rennelman

[00:59:08] Right now

[00:59:09] Yeah

[00:59:10] Right now

[00:59:11] In the middle of this episode

[00:59:12] Following

[00:59:13] Nine episodes

[00:59:14] Just for now

[00:59:15] 1998's following

[00:59:16] Nine films?

[00:59:17] Does he have nine films?

[00:59:18] It sounds about right

[00:59:19] Yeah

[00:59:20] Then you know

[00:59:22] They like

[00:59:23] Realize they watch the video footage

[00:59:25] They realize it's him

[00:59:26] Turning on them

[00:59:27] They pull the plug

[00:59:28] They freak it out

[00:59:29] Put him in jail

[00:59:30] Yeah

[00:59:31] They plug him back in

[00:59:32] For a second

[00:59:33] Cause he's like

[00:59:34] I'm the only one who can help you

[00:59:35] That scene is a little

[00:59:36] Let's give Michelle Rodriguez her due

[00:59:37] She breaks imagine

[00:59:38] No no no that hasn't happened yet

[00:59:39] They plug him back in

[00:59:40] Because he tries to negotiate

[00:59:41] With them at the home tree

[00:59:42] That's when they like tie him up

[00:59:43] And tie Grace up

[00:59:44] Yeah

[00:59:45] And then they unplug him again

[00:59:46] Put him in jail

[00:59:47] They unplug and plug

[00:59:48] Like four times in the last hour and a half

[00:59:50] They do a lot of that

[00:59:51] Which is funny because they're like

[00:59:52] No you can't do that

[00:59:53] Doesn't seem to have any of that

[00:59:54] But it keeps on happening where the military's like

[00:59:56] We're gonna plug in

[00:59:57] Get him out of here

[00:59:58] And they're like

[00:59:59] Don't plug him

[01:00:00] Don't plug him

[01:00:01] He's like

[01:00:02] What's going on

[01:00:03] They're like

[01:00:04] You're unplugged

[01:00:05] He's like

[01:00:06] Wait a second

[01:00:07] Plugging back in

[01:00:08] I love that it's all about PR too

[01:00:09] He's slaughter

[01:00:10] Me too

[01:00:11] I like that too

[01:00:12] That there is some kind of

[01:00:13] Like that's what they're worried about

[01:00:14] But they keep on plugging him back in

[01:00:15] And going like

[01:00:16] Wait he's doing the opposite of what he told us

[01:00:17] He was gonna do

[01:00:18] God damn it

[01:00:19] Unplug him

[01:00:20] You can't do that

[01:00:21] You can't do it

[01:00:22] They unplug him and he's like

[01:00:23] Sorry sorry sorry

[01:00:24] Plug me in

[01:00:25] Plug me in though

[01:00:26] No okay so they lock him up

[01:00:27] And then

[01:00:28] Then the home tree destruction happened

[01:00:29] Yeah which is probably

[01:00:30] The best sequence in the film

[01:00:31] Absolutely incredible

[01:00:32] Gaspar in a way said

[01:00:33] He cried

[01:00:34] He sobbed

[01:00:35] During the sequence

[01:00:36] I'm with you Gaspar

[01:00:37] Yeah

[01:00:38] And you jizzed in my eye

[01:00:39] During love

[01:00:40] Yeah very similar scene

[01:00:41] That's a real movie

[01:00:43] That was another use of 3D

[01:00:44] Yeah

[01:00:45] A jizz flying in my eye

[01:00:46] Yeah

[01:00:47] Uh

[01:00:48] You heard of this movie Ben?

[01:00:49] I'm familiar with that

[01:00:51] Director he did that

[01:00:52] Movie about ayahuasca

[01:00:54] Yeah

[01:00:55] That's cool as fuck

[01:00:56] Enter the void

[01:00:57] But I haven't seen the sleazy

[01:00:58] Sex movie no

[01:00:59] Hey it's not sleazy

[01:01:00] It's beautiful

[01:01:01] Oh

[01:01:02] It's called Love 3D

[01:01:03] It's probably a 6 out of 10

[01:01:04] Oh the movie with 3D

[01:01:05] Come flying

[01:01:06] It's glassy

[01:01:07] Oh so sorry

[01:01:08] So the home tree sequence

[01:01:09] That's where I really

[01:01:10] I mean obviously a lot of people

[01:01:11] Point to the 9-11 imagery

[01:01:13] Of like the big tree collapsing

[01:01:14] And all that

[01:01:15] And that's for sure

[01:01:16] But also I really did

[01:01:17] The shakana shit

[01:01:18] Like it really did feel

[01:01:19] Like war movie stuff to me

[01:01:20] Well and here's the other thing

[01:01:21] That happens at this

[01:01:22] Sequence of the movie

[01:01:23] I mean there's a lot of Iraq war

[01:01:24] Because like the show where you go

[01:01:25] Freakin' Daisy Cutters

[01:01:27] Yeah

[01:01:28] I wish I could do her perfectly

[01:01:29] She'd be such a fun

[01:01:30] Freakin' Daisy Cutters

[01:01:31] Freakin' Daisy Cutters

[01:01:32] Freakin' Daisy Cutters

[01:01:34] Uh there's also

[01:01:36] At this point in the film

[01:01:37] There's been a little foreshadowing

[01:01:38] A little bit of sprinkling

[01:01:39] But this is where

[01:01:40] A major element of film

[01:01:42] Comes into full bloom for the first time

[01:01:44] What?

[01:01:45] You know what it is

[01:01:46] I don't

[01:01:47] Dun-nuh-nuh

[01:01:48] So good

[01:01:49] Dun-nuh-nuh

[01:01:50] Dun-nuh-nuh

[01:01:51] Ah it's the best

[01:01:52] Because up until then

[01:01:53] He's been like

[01:01:54] Horner's been teasing you

[01:01:55] He's been teasing you

[01:01:56] And sometimes you get a little like

[01:01:57] Dun-nuh

[01:01:58] Yeah a little bit

[01:01:59] Maybe that makes a hint

[01:02:00] Sometimes you get a dun-nuh

[01:02:01] But yeah it's true

[01:02:02] He really waits to deploy

[01:02:03] His big theme

[01:02:04] A lot of this scores

[01:02:05] From the New World

[01:02:06] It has very similar themes

[01:02:07] We have a little bit of

[01:02:08] Titanic thrown in

[01:02:09] 100%

[01:02:10] Yeah

[01:02:11] Until you get to the war stuff

[01:02:12] And then the dun-nuh-nuh

[01:02:13] Overwhelms

[01:02:14] And the dun-nuh-nuh

[01:02:15] Fucking rule

[01:02:16] His New World score by the way

[01:02:18] Is one of his best

[01:02:19] I love that score so much

[01:02:20] Oh I agree

[01:02:21] That's my like number one

[01:02:22] Get out of a panic attack

[01:02:23] Totally good

[01:02:24] Yes good to relax

[01:02:25] I love it

[01:02:26] And he hates the movie

[01:02:27] And thinks that

[01:02:28] Malik fucked it up

[01:02:29] Because he wrote the score

[01:02:30] For different sections of the movie

[01:02:31] And Malik was like

[01:02:32] What if

[01:02:33] Like he chose different cues

[01:02:34] For different parts

[01:02:35] And then re-edited the whole

[01:02:36] Corner's an ordinary bastard

[01:02:37] He's also dead

[01:02:38] He got in a huge fight with Jim Cameron

[01:02:39] I know he's dead

[01:02:40] RIP

[01:02:41] Love you Jim's horn

[01:02:42] He was an ordinary bastard

[01:02:43] He gets in a big fight with everybody

[01:02:45] He was very precious about his work

[01:02:46] And then you listen to it

[01:02:47] And it's like

[01:02:48] Oh this is that same score

[01:02:49] You did it a couple of times

[01:02:50] He was one of the many composers

[01:02:51] Out there

[01:02:52] Who we got

[01:02:53] He's got some thames

[01:02:54] He reuses

[01:02:55] A little bit of top numism

[01:02:56] But it comes up with this

[01:02:57] Very simple

[01:02:58] Very effective avatar thing

[01:02:59] That makes you

[01:03:00] And it simultaneously feels ominous

[01:03:02] And like kind of scary

[01:03:03] And triumpha

[01:03:04] So all the times

[01:03:05] Like whether it's

[01:03:06] The humans getting up

[01:03:07] Or hand on the navi

[01:03:08] And you're like

[01:03:09] Oh shit

[01:03:10] And it's like

[01:03:11] And it's like jauzy

[01:03:12] And then the times when the navi

[01:03:13] Are coming up

[01:03:14] It's like

[01:03:15] And you feel like

[01:03:16] Yeah fuck the navi

[01:03:17] Fuck the navi

[01:03:18] I love the battle scene so much

[01:03:20] So you know like he

[01:03:21] So I mean after this

[01:03:22] It's all war

[01:03:23] It's all war

[01:03:24] It's all war

[01:03:25] It's all war

[01:03:26] And Michelle Rodriguez frees them

[01:03:27] From prison takes them back

[01:03:28] To the floating mountain

[01:03:29] Yeah she's cool

[01:03:30] She makes it clear that

[01:03:31] She's a friend

[01:03:32] She has that great bit where she

[01:03:33] Plays the gun and she's like

[01:03:34] Yeah you know what that is

[01:03:35] It's a great little

[01:03:36] It's a gun

[01:03:37] I'm Michelle Rodriguez

[01:03:38] You know me

[01:03:39] You've seen me in like 10 movies

[01:03:40] You don't know my name

[01:03:41] You know who I am

[01:03:42] Season 2 of Lost

[01:03:43] Yeah you watch Season 2 of Lost

[01:03:44] Everyone's watching it that time

[01:03:45] I don't even see a baby

[01:03:46] I might be the reason you stopped

[01:03:47] Watching but you were watching

[01:03:48] At that time

[01:03:49] I was just

[01:03:50] A real bummer for too much

[01:03:51] Of the show

[01:03:52] They didn't get me

[01:03:54] To heal my character basically

[01:03:55] They did her dirty on that show

[01:03:57] They did a little bit

[01:03:58] Ultimately

[01:03:59] Well

[01:04:00] They did her off

[01:04:01] What

[01:04:02] You mean the character

[01:04:03] Anelosea

[01:04:04] Yeah

[01:04:05] Yeah I mean they always wanted her

[01:04:07] To be a one season deal

[01:04:08] I don't know it's interesting

[01:04:09] It's interesting what

[01:04:10] They're yeah you're right

[01:04:11] I think they did it a little bit

[01:04:12] I think it shows

[01:04:14] What a bad job they did with Anelosea

[01:04:16] That when they kill her off

[01:04:18] They have to kill off another character

[01:04:21] Because they realize

[01:04:22] No one was really going to care

[01:04:23] Yeah

[01:04:24] Like no one would be really

[01:04:26] Sad that Anelosea was dead

[01:04:27] You know I never watched Lost

[01:04:28] Should I get into it

[01:04:29] David loves it

[01:04:30] Yeah

[01:04:31] I just star from the top

[01:04:32] No I'd say start with the last episode

[01:04:34] Then work backwards

[01:04:35] Definitely no no no no

[01:04:37] Last first

[01:04:38] An ultimate second

[01:04:39] You know like that

[01:04:40] Just work from both ends

[01:04:41] Like cutting a hot dog from both ends

[01:04:43] Like clad Atlas the novel

[01:04:45] Great

[01:04:46] Nesting dolls

[01:04:47] Alright so yeah

[01:04:49] All the warships just cool

[01:04:50] Yeah it just rules it's really well done

[01:04:53] Especially in 3D

[01:04:54] It was just super immersive

[01:04:55] I mean this movie just

[01:04:57] Took you into a place

[01:04:58] Yeah have you heard the story about Steven Spielberg

[01:05:01] You know Cameron showed Spielberg this movie before

[01:05:04] While he was still working on it

[01:05:05] And the scene

[01:05:06] I think it's the scene where

[01:05:08] We should say you know Jake plugs himself into A1

[01:05:10] Says like look my world's really shitty

[01:05:12] And they're not nice people

[01:05:13] And they might come fuck up

[01:05:15] You know

[01:05:16] And she's like wait a second

[01:05:17] Who the fuck told you you could do that

[01:05:19] And he was like literally everyone

[01:05:20] Says you can fuck the tree

[01:05:22] And she's like no no

[01:05:23] I know they said you can fuck the tree

[01:05:24] But I mean like that like

[01:05:25] Morally that you can do

[01:05:27] You can't just go to A1

[01:05:28] And be like hey fight this war for me

[01:05:30] Well he does

[01:05:31] He does

[01:05:32] And there's you know so you know

[01:05:33] When as the big war is playing out

[01:05:35] All the animals and the birds

[01:05:37] Like suddenly emerge from the forest

[01:05:38] And she's like how about a tree

[01:05:40] And she's got her arrow

[01:05:41] A1 has heard you

[01:05:42] Yeah which is great

[01:05:43] Apparently Spielberg like stood up

[01:05:44] In the cinema

[01:05:45] It was like yeah like that

[01:05:47] I love Steven Spielberg

[01:05:48] I've heard so many stories about him

[01:05:50] Being like that

[01:05:51] Like being like a really active participant

[01:05:53] In movies

[01:05:54] Yeah

[01:05:55] And also you know the

[01:05:57] Paranormal activity story

[01:05:58] Which one

[01:05:59] Oh where he made them take the film

[01:06:01] And put it in a garbage bag

[01:06:02] He showed up with the film

[01:06:03] In a garbage bag and said like

[01:06:05] I don't want to watch this again

[01:06:06] Like take it away

[01:06:07] Like this scared me too much

[01:06:08] But there's the thing with this movie

[01:06:10] Is it's so fucking earnest

[01:06:12] Very earnest

[01:06:13] And it's so fucking dorky

[01:06:14] I forgot how dorky this movie is

[01:06:16] It's quite dorky

[01:06:18] You know but it's like

[01:06:19] That's the thing is just

[01:06:20] He's got no shame about it

[01:06:21] It's like you're talking to

[01:06:22] Your friend's dad

[01:06:23] And he's like

[01:06:24] You know I write a little on the side

[01:06:25] And it's like you write

[01:06:26] And he's like yeah I've been

[01:06:27] Writing a little sci-fi novel

[01:06:28] And it's like can I read it

[01:06:29] And he sends you the manuscript

[01:06:30] And you're like

[01:06:31] I can't believe you put all this time

[01:06:32] Into developing this world

[01:06:34] Yeah

[01:06:35] And it feels like James Cameron

[01:06:36] Is just like someone's dad

[01:06:37] Who wrote this crazy sci-fi

[01:06:39] Like novel

[01:06:40] It's a melding of like

[01:06:42] So many of his goofy interests

[01:06:44] But then with stuff where you're like

[01:06:46] Oh you like this too

[01:06:47] This kind of goofy spiritual shit

[01:06:49] Like this is what you're into now

[01:06:51] Yeah

[01:06:52] It's like one of the least cynical movies ever

[01:06:54] It is but that's what I love about it

[01:06:55] Is that it does feel like

[01:06:56] He's like yeah

[01:06:57] Kind of chilling out a little bit

[01:06:59] Yeah

[01:07:00] Becoming a little more of like a hippie dad

[01:07:01] Yeah

[01:07:02] He's like he's sick of humans

[01:07:04] And like machines and all that stuff

[01:07:06] And he's also just like

[01:07:07] Fuck you this is cool

[01:07:08] I don't care

[01:07:09] And you're like

[01:07:10] That's a little dorky Jim

[01:07:11] And he's like no fuck you

[01:07:12] It's cool

[01:07:13] He's like fuck you

[01:07:14] I spent $500 million

[01:07:15] And you're like yeah

[01:07:16] It was worth it

[01:07:17] Yeah

[01:07:18] I mean what are some things

[01:07:19] In those fun

[01:07:20] I mean I love

[01:07:21] What's in the movie

[01:07:22] Really good

[01:07:23] And I feel like he's

[01:07:24] Well he's really cool in

[01:07:25] Don't Breathe

[01:07:26] Don't Breathe that just came out this year

[01:07:27] I feel like

[01:07:28] I was gonna say

[01:07:29] I feel like he hasn't gotten caught enough

[01:07:30] Like splash

[01:07:31] Like spill over from this movie

[01:07:33] But that feels like

[01:07:34] The first really substantial role

[01:07:35] He's had since then

[01:07:36] Which is a bummer

[01:07:37] Cause he's a really good actor

[01:07:38] Everyone always talks about him as cable

[01:07:39] As being he looks like cable

[01:07:41] Yeah he'd be a good cable

[01:07:42] He'd be fun

[01:07:43] Yeah I don't know that he'd be good

[01:07:44] But

[01:07:45] I think he'd do a good job

[01:07:46] I just don't care

[01:07:47] Yeah me either

[01:07:48] But I love all the scenes where

[01:07:49] He holds his breath

[01:07:50] Does a thing

[01:07:51] And then he's finally

[01:07:52] Alright

[01:07:53] And puts on the breathing mask

[01:07:54] All this camera stuff

[01:07:55] You know like

[01:07:56] Where he's like

[01:07:57] This is how the tech works

[01:07:58] Yeah

[01:07:59] Do you get it?

[01:08:00] Then I'm gonna play with it later

[01:08:01] Like you're gonna see people

[01:08:02] Holding their breath

[01:08:03] And losing their breath

[01:08:04] You're gonna see how they avatar

[01:08:05] Like you come in and out of it

[01:08:06] We'll do fun things with that

[01:08:07] Yeah

[01:08:08] Yeah

[01:08:09] We didn't really talk about

[01:08:10] The lead military guy

[01:08:13] That's who we're talking about right now

[01:08:15] Oh it is

[01:08:16] Yeah

[01:08:17] I don't know people by names

[01:08:18] I get confused

[01:08:19] He's fucking awesome

[01:08:20] He's like a pro-backy

[01:08:21] He's great

[01:08:22] So good

[01:08:23] Yeah

[01:08:24] Alright so let's start over again

[01:08:25] Okay

[01:08:26] Okay

[01:08:27] I podcast you

[01:08:29] I podcast you

[01:08:31] I don't know

[01:08:32] I just think he's

[01:08:33] I think his performance works

[01:08:35] Because at a certain point

[01:08:37] When Jake says

[01:08:38] Like look you lost

[01:08:39] This didn't work

[01:08:40] He should just be like

[01:08:41] Yeah fuck it

[01:08:42] I mean this isn't a war

[01:08:43] Like I don't care

[01:08:44] Yeah

[01:08:45] Like why not just go home

[01:08:46] And make more money

[01:08:47] Or keep you know

[01:08:48] And instead he's like

[01:08:49] No like I'm an asshole

[01:08:51] I just want to win

[01:08:53] I will say

[01:08:54] I mean I don't know if I'm jumping the gun here

[01:08:55] A little bit but like

[01:08:56] Jumping the gun

[01:08:57] The characters in this movie are

[01:08:59] Rit large right

[01:09:00] They're broad

[01:09:01] They're broad sort of characterizations

[01:09:03] And the best performances in the film

[01:09:05] Are the actors who realize that

[01:09:07] And just play big

[01:09:08] Which is mostly the supporting actors

[01:09:09] Like Sigourney, Stephen Lang, Kebony

[01:09:11] Right

[01:09:12] Um

[01:09:13] The thing

[01:09:15] You know

[01:09:16] The camera started teasing out

[01:09:17] Details of the sequels

[01:09:18] He's had like a writer's room

[01:09:19] Set up like a TV show

[01:09:20] Yeah

[01:09:21] His four writers teams

[01:09:22] All of this is what

[01:09:23] Makes me nervous

[01:09:24] They're writing four screenplays

[01:09:25] At the same time

[01:09:26] Right

[01:09:27] And he has like the broad strokes

[01:09:28] The broad characters he wants to introduce

[01:09:29] He has all that sort of in his head

[01:09:31] Right

[01:09:32] And then you get these little teases

[01:09:33] And he's like one of the movies

[01:09:34] Is going to be all about underwater stuff

[01:09:35] And you're like

[01:09:36] Okay what does that mean

[01:09:37] And then it's like

[01:09:38] Sounds like James Cameron

[01:09:39] Right and it's going to be like

[01:09:40] Jake and Atiari's kids

[01:09:41] And I'm like okay what the fuck

[01:09:42] It's just

[01:09:43] Uh but I do feel like

[01:09:44] Watching this movie now

[01:09:45] People talk a lot about

[01:09:47] There's this dumb thing of like

[01:09:49] Avatar made two billion dollars

[01:09:50] No one even talks about it today

[01:09:51] It left no cultural impact

[01:09:53] Right

[01:09:54] And I was watching it and I was like

[01:09:55] Well it is

[01:09:56] I mean the fact that everyone keeps on

[01:09:57] Talking

[01:09:58] Two point seven billion dollars

[01:09:59] Which is insane

[01:10:00] The fact that everyone keeps on

[01:10:01] Talking about the movie leaves

[01:10:02] No cult

[01:10:03] Leaving no cultural impact

[01:10:04] Proves that point wrong

[01:10:06] Because everyone's constantly

[01:10:07] Talking about the movie

[01:10:08] I don't know about constantly

[01:10:09] I do

[01:10:10] There's some argument to the fact

[01:10:11] That like

[01:10:12] You'd think maybe it had a little

[01:10:13] More of a footprint

[01:10:14] And it feels more like

[01:10:16] It was like this huge

[01:10:18] Wonder at the time

[01:10:19] That didn't linger quite as much

[01:10:21] We'll talk about it next week

[01:10:23] We did go to Turuk the first flight

[01:10:25] Yes 100%

[01:10:26] The audience was not

[01:10:27] I would say

[01:10:28] Hugely dialed out

[01:10:29] But I want to tell you

[01:10:30] I think I finally identified

[01:10:31] Why that is

[01:10:32] Why it feels like it left

[01:10:34] Less of a culture on print

[01:10:35] Than other movies of its size

[01:10:37] It's because this isn't

[01:10:38] A character driven movie

[01:10:39] The things that usually really

[01:10:41] Elevate and deepen

[01:10:44] Society's relationship

[01:10:46] To a work of art

[01:10:47] Is when they come really

[01:10:48] Invested in aspects of it

[01:10:50] So it's like you can

[01:10:51] Fucking ship these two characters

[01:10:53] Or make your fan art

[01:10:54] Or buy the thing

[01:10:55] Or whatever it is

[01:10:56] And this movie

[01:10:57] Like it is so total

[01:10:59] In terms of like

[01:11:00] It's a full experiential thing

[01:11:02] But there aren't sort of

[01:11:03] Like iconic scenes

[01:11:05] Or lines

[01:11:06] Or characters

[01:11:07] In the same kind of way

[01:11:08] You know

[01:11:09] Like people weren't

[01:11:10] Fucking crazy about Natiri

[01:11:11] They were like

[01:11:12] Zoe Saldana's really good in that

[01:11:13] But Natiri didn't become

[01:11:14] Like Ray

[01:11:15] You know

[01:11:16] And there's no scene in the movie

[01:11:18] That became like

[01:11:19] You know the iconic thing

[01:11:20] It's cool when she shoots

[01:11:21] In full arrows

[01:11:22] Right you can't really

[01:11:23] Kind of separate this movie

[01:11:25] Into pieces

[01:11:26] It's just you sit in the theater

[01:11:27] In 3D and watch the whole thing

[01:11:28] And of course it was

[01:11:30] A great cinematic experience

[01:11:32] Yeah

[01:11:33] And I think it does say

[01:11:34] Something that when Avatar

[01:11:35] Hit DVD and stuff

[01:11:36] They were like

[01:11:37] 3D TVs

[01:11:38] Everyone's gonna want a 3D TV

[01:11:40] Nobody wants a 3D TV

[01:11:42] It was something

[01:11:43] Especially for a movie that long

[01:11:44] You wanna sit in the theater

[01:11:45] In silence

[01:11:46] In a dark room with a lot of people

[01:11:47] And all feel the collective

[01:11:48] Like awe of the thing

[01:11:49] But I think you know

[01:11:50] I think

[01:11:51] You compare Avatar and Force Awakens

[01:11:54] You can argue

[01:11:55] Which is better

[01:11:56] Which is worse or whatever

[01:11:57] But like every

[01:11:58] There's so many different aspects

[01:11:59] Of Force Awakens

[01:12:00] That people really latched onto

[01:12:01] You know

[01:12:02] That like they like

[01:12:03] Carried with them

[01:12:04] And there were things

[01:12:05] That you could fucking give

[01:12:06] And meme

[01:12:07] That you could also write about

[01:12:08] Force Awakens have

[01:12:09] But I mean it has a lot going for

[01:12:10] Star Wars

[01:12:11] All of that

[01:12:12] In general being wanted

[01:12:13] But of course it does feel a little

[01:12:14] More correctly geared towards

[01:12:16] Like yeah

[01:12:17] And we'll have game

[01:12:18] And we'll have the toys

[01:12:19] And we'll have

[01:12:20] Well and that's

[01:12:21] I'm not saying one's better

[01:12:22] Or one's worse

[01:12:23] And I kind of in a way

[01:12:24] Respect the fact that

[01:12:25] Avatar is like so unconcerned

[01:12:26] With that

[01:12:27] And it's just

[01:12:28] We're just making a movie

[01:12:29] You should sit here

[01:12:30] And watch this movie

[01:12:31] They have totally different challenges

[01:12:32] Avatar is trying to introduce you

[01:12:33] To something in Force Awakens

[01:12:34] Trying to get you back into

[01:12:35] Something and you know

[01:12:36] To erase some of the prequels

[01:12:37] And you know

[01:12:38] I think a lot of movies

[01:12:39] Of this size today

[01:12:40] Are sort of pre-packaging fandoms

[01:12:42] Which this movie doesn't

[01:12:44] Concern itself with doing

[01:12:45] So it feels like

[01:12:46] Avatar hasn't left a cultural footprint

[01:12:48] Because there's so much else

[01:12:49] We're having where it's like

[01:12:50] Well this is made to fucking

[01:12:52] Like make Cumberbatch fans happy

[01:12:54] Or you know

[01:12:55] Like hint at that thing

[01:12:56] That these

[01:12:57] This specific sect of fandom

[01:12:59] Within this fandom

[01:13:01] Of this one property

[01:13:02] Just like this one element

[01:13:04] Or this one relationship

[01:13:06] Or whatever it is

[01:13:07] This movie is just like

[01:13:08] We're just telling a real straight

[01:13:09] Middle of the road

[01:13:10] Dad novel story

[01:13:11] The characters are all

[01:13:12] Lots of Malikens

[01:13:13] One of the first novels

[01:13:15] And most of the characters

[01:13:16] Just serve a function

[01:13:18] Like the characters are sort of

[01:13:19] Like narrative cogs

[01:13:20] You know

[01:13:21] Rather than characters

[01:13:22] You're gonna really like love

[01:13:23] Where I get excited about

[01:13:25] The idea of Avatar sequels

[01:13:27] Is him just making

[01:13:28] Further stories in this world

[01:13:29] Spanning sort of legacies

[01:13:31] And years and what have you

[01:13:33] Rather than like

[01:13:34] The continuing adventures of

[01:13:35] Jake and Natiri

[01:13:36] Yeah I can

[01:13:37] We're not gonna get the

[01:13:38] Continuing adventures of

[01:13:39] Jake and Natiri are we

[01:13:40] Maybe Avatar 2

[01:13:41] Like I love Zoys Aldana

[01:13:43] If you're making 5

[01:13:44] You might have to give it

[01:13:45] A Avatar 2

[01:13:46] I love Zoys Aldana

[01:13:47] And I think she's phenomenal

[01:13:48] In this movie

[01:13:49] I'm not really invested

[01:13:51] Natiri that much

[01:13:52] Alright so here

[01:13:53] Alright so I'm gonna

[01:13:54] Cut you off here

[01:13:55] Let's go back into the film

[01:13:56] Well we're almost done with

[01:13:57] The movie but

[01:13:58] Just in terms of sequel

[01:13:59] Obviously I always say

[01:14:00] Like hey if you want to

[01:14:01] Make Avatar sequels

[01:14:02] You can make them

[01:14:03] And I'm excited

[01:14:04] I will say having seen

[01:14:05] Taruk the first flight

[01:14:06] I think the humans are a good

[01:14:08] Thing to have in Avatar

[01:14:10] I agree

[01:14:11] And I do worry

[01:14:12] What'll happen if maybe

[01:14:13] They're not in the new ones

[01:14:14] Now maybe they will be

[01:14:15] I have no I don't know

[01:14:16] Like you hear

[01:14:17] Steven Lange's gonna

[01:14:18] Be in him so like who knows

[01:14:19] And Sigourney Weaver

[01:14:20] And Sigourney Weaver's always

[01:14:21] Like but she's always

[01:14:22] Like I'm in it baby

[01:14:23] And they're like how

[01:14:24] And she's like I don't know

[01:14:25] I'm gonna be in it

[01:14:26] James Cary

[01:14:27] She's like Jim just tells me

[01:14:28] That no one stays dead

[01:14:29] In sci-fi

[01:14:30] But that kinda scares me

[01:14:31] I mean I agree you still need

[01:14:32] A human presence in this movie

[01:14:33] And you need the tension

[01:14:34] In some sort of way

[01:14:35] Between the two forces

[01:14:36] But on the other hand

[01:14:37] Bringing back the two main characters

[01:14:39] Who died in this movie

[01:14:40] Makes the universe feel very small

[01:14:42] And I think those are both

[01:14:44] Really strong performances

[01:14:45] But neither are like

[01:14:46] Incredible characters where it's

[01:14:47] Like the God of Bring Back

[01:14:48] Will be one of the four of us

[01:14:49] You know like that's sequel talk

[01:14:50] We're gonna see what they do

[01:14:51] Right

[01:14:52] But I just feel like

[01:14:53] It's the human shit is almost

[01:14:55] Underrated in this movie

[01:14:56] You need it as the bound

[01:14:57] And so

[01:14:58] But for five Avatar movies

[01:14:59] I want them to broaden the scope

[01:15:00] I want them to go in different directions

[01:15:01] No but no but you saw Tauruk

[01:15:02] You saw it

[01:15:03] And when it's like

[01:15:04] The Amitykaya clan

[01:15:05] And the other clan

[01:15:06] Are arguing about

[01:15:07] How to make a dinosaur skeleton

[01:15:08] You're like

[01:15:09] Oh I'm

[01:15:10] This is in too deep

[01:15:11] This is like fan fiction

[01:15:12] But I say this in the Tauruk episode

[01:15:14] And I'll say it again now

[01:15:15] What's the difference between

[01:15:16] Tauruk and the Avatar series

[01:15:17] Just to explain to you guys

[01:15:18] Tauruk is this fucking

[01:15:19] Cirque du Soleil show

[01:15:20] That we saw months ago

[01:15:21] And recorded an episode

[01:15:22] Months ago

[01:15:23] And we're finally gonna release it

[01:15:24] Next week

[01:15:25] And you're gonna listen to that episode

[01:15:26] That was recorded before

[01:15:27] We had recorded any of the James

[01:15:28] Cameron episodes

[01:15:29] Yeah any of it

[01:15:30] Yeah before the election happened

[01:15:32] And we had to predict what happened on it

[01:15:34] Jesus Christ

[01:15:36] The difference is that

[01:15:37] James Cameron did director

[01:15:39] No I know

[01:15:40] I know

[01:15:41] I'm just saying

[01:15:42] Like it just

[01:15:43] Just gave me a little

[01:15:44] Tell me stories in the Avatar universe

[01:15:45] I don't know

[01:15:46] I mean at this point

[01:15:47] The full war

[01:15:48] Suze dies

[01:15:49] Awaw hears him

[01:15:50] And then he gets into

[01:15:51] Just this seems the action so crisp

[01:15:53] Great

[01:15:54] It's so understandable

[01:15:56] Like what's going on

[01:15:57] I think the creature design

[01:15:58] Is really good

[01:15:59] All the monsters are cool

[01:16:00] But like all this stuff have jaked

[01:16:01] Like flying

[01:16:02] Jumping off

[01:16:03] Throwing a grenade

[01:16:04] Jumping back on

[01:16:05] You know blowing up the ship

[01:16:06] You see what the ship does

[01:16:07] Yeah that shit's good

[01:16:08] Suze gets into the fight

[01:16:10] The physics of him swinging

[01:16:13] Like on the Tauruk

[01:16:15] Is so cool

[01:16:16] Yeah

[01:16:17] So well done

[01:16:18] Suze's death I like a lot

[01:16:20] Because it's like

[01:16:21] We've gotten very few scenes

[01:16:22] Sorry

[01:16:23] Of humans next to Navi

[01:16:25] And it's one of the few times

[01:16:26] Where you see the scale

[01:16:27] And it's like

[01:16:28] Oh he just looks so clunky

[01:16:29] I mean it's like watching like

[01:16:30] Manu bowl play basketball

[01:16:32] Where it's like

[01:16:33] His limbs are too long

[01:16:34] Like he doesn't know how to do shit

[01:16:35] But it is they

[01:16:36] And they doing a good job

[01:16:37] Integrating the two of them

[01:16:38] Really good job

[01:16:39] Him and the humans together

[01:16:40] He gets into a robot knife fight

[01:16:41] With Korra

[01:16:42] I would say by the way

[01:16:43] The extended edition adds that scene

[01:16:44] With Suze where you see him later

[01:16:45] Not a good scene

[01:16:46] Really bad scene

[01:16:47] Really bad scene

[01:16:48] And really bad in

[01:16:49] The flow of the movie as well

[01:16:50] Like really interrupts

[01:16:51] The flow of the movie

[01:16:52] Yeah because it happens right before

[01:16:53] There's a scene in the extended edition

[01:16:54] Where Suze is dying

[01:16:56] And he tells Jake

[01:16:57] That he has to take over the clan

[01:16:58] Jake's like I don't know

[01:16:59] And he's like also please kill me

[01:17:00] Yeah and you're just like

[01:17:01] You know we got all of that

[01:17:03] We got the jakes passing the torch

[01:17:06] You know thing

[01:17:07] It sucks

[01:17:08] But yeah

[01:17:09] The battle is just so good

[01:17:10] I know it's like the best part

[01:17:11] Of the movie

[01:17:12] And we're almost skimming over it

[01:17:13] But go watch it

[01:17:14] That's all points

[01:17:15] It's a visceral experience

[01:17:16] No way for us to talk about it

[01:17:17] And it's even hard to watch in 2D

[01:17:19] You know so

[01:17:20] God forbid the two of us

[01:17:21] Try to talk about it here

[01:17:22] In our 2D podcast

[01:17:23] Where are the 2D friends

[01:17:24] Where the 2D friends

[01:17:25] Yeah the first dimension is audio

[01:17:28] The second dimension is friendship

[01:17:30] So they have a knife fight

[01:17:31] In the robot suit

[01:17:32] And I like that

[01:17:34] Natiri's the one who kills

[01:17:36] The Quarish

[01:17:37] That she's the one who saves the day

[01:17:39] You know that most of the fight

[01:17:40] Happens between Jake

[01:17:41] And then he rips open the pod

[01:17:44] So Jake is like fucking out of it

[01:17:45] And he's like suffocating

[01:17:47] And then Natiri

[01:17:48] With the arrows

[01:17:49] Shoots three cool arrows

[01:17:50] Into his chest

[01:17:51] And Natiri

[01:17:52] It's great

[01:17:53] That scene is cool that she gets to do it too

[01:17:55] Yeah that's what I'm saying

[01:17:56] I like that

[01:17:57] Avatar

[01:17:58] And then you know

[01:18:00] Then they plug him

[01:18:01] And we should say Grace dies

[01:18:02] Grace dies

[01:18:03] And they try to plug her into A-Wa

[01:18:05] And she says I'm with her

[01:18:06] But then she dies

[01:18:07] But I think she's in that tree

[01:18:09] They also make her some plant underwear

[01:18:11] They do

[01:18:12] She's naked but they put plants

[01:18:13] Over her naughty parts

[01:18:14] I would say this is maybe those scenes

[01:18:16] Where they try and plug them

[01:18:18] Into A-Wa tree

[01:18:19] And all the avatars are around

[01:18:21] All that Naviar around sweet

[01:18:23] Like a

[01:18:24] There's like glowing pulsing ground

[01:18:26] Feels a little too rookie

[01:18:27] Well I just think yeah

[01:18:28] That's like probably where some people are like

[01:18:30] Yo fuck this shit

[01:18:32] Like this is stupid

[01:18:34] I forgot my favorite line

[01:18:35] Or line reading in the movie

[01:18:37] Is the scene where

[01:18:39] Susie realizes that

[01:18:41] Natiri slept with Jake Sully

[01:18:43] And he puts her on blast in front of her parents

[01:18:45] And then it just cuts to

[01:18:47] So gournese avatar

[01:18:49] And she just goes oh shit

[01:18:51] Like you fucking kidding me

[01:18:53] Yeah

[01:18:54] You had hair sucks with the princess

[01:18:56] I think it's great

[01:18:57] I think she's really funny

[01:18:59] It is really, you're right

[01:19:00] It's really funny

[01:19:01] She's got her plant bra

[01:19:02] She dies

[01:19:03] They try to connect to the tree

[01:19:04] Natiri shoots Quaritch

[01:19:06] And then they try to connect her to her avatar

[01:19:08] They're trying to like download her brain into her avatar

[01:19:10] I think the implication is that she's in the tree

[01:19:12] But not in the avatar

[01:19:14] I think it's how she's gonna come back

[01:19:15] And then they can get around that tree

[01:19:16] I think she's gonna be in that tree

[01:19:17] You can get her out of that tree

[01:19:18] And then she plays the tree in the next movie

[01:19:20] That's my hope

[01:19:21] Is that they don't put her back in the body

[01:19:22] That sounds like some Pocahontas shit

[01:19:23] That's what I like

[01:19:24] Grandmother Willow Tree baby

[01:19:25] Just around the river bend

[01:19:27] Yeah, like Grandmother Willow Tree

[01:19:29] One of the worst

[01:19:30] One of the worst Disney films ever made

[01:19:32] River bend

[01:19:33] I like Pocahontas a lot

[01:19:34] I think the first 30 minutes of Pocahontas are immaculate

[01:19:36] I think it's a gorgeous looking movie for sure

[01:19:38] And I do think the beginning is pretty strong

[01:19:40] I think the first 30 minutes are narratively really strong

[01:19:42] That's a fairly objectionable film

[01:19:44] I think the first 30 minutes rule

[01:19:45] And the songs are getting throughout

[01:19:47] I think the songs are good

[01:19:48] No, that was when the songs started to get bad

[01:19:50] Will I marry Cocoa?

[01:19:52] Yeah, there you go

[01:19:54] Savages

[01:19:55] That's not talking about savages

[01:19:57] Alright, so

[01:19:59] Avatar

[01:20:00] Mine

[01:20:01] At the end

[01:20:03] No, no

[01:20:04] We're doing well

[01:20:05] But at the end

[01:20:06] They put him in the Jake Bobby

[01:20:08] Jake Avatar

[01:20:09] Right?

[01:20:10] Yeah

[01:20:11] Eyes open

[01:20:12] Avatar

[01:20:13] They get the humans out of there

[01:20:14] And then Rebesa gives like a little shit

[01:20:16] And like, you know

[01:20:18] It wins if you lose some

[01:20:19] And then they hook him up and he's Avatar

[01:20:21] Now when I walked out of the film I went

[01:20:23] That's a nice perfect closed off story

[01:20:25] That's the tale

[01:20:26] He becomes the Avatar

[01:20:27] He finds a new lease on life

[01:20:28] They shouldn't make sequels

[01:20:29] Watching it now

[01:20:31] Seven years later

[01:20:32] With all the sort of

[01:20:33] You know, unfulfilled promises

[01:20:35] Of the Avatar sequels

[01:20:36] I'm actually like

[01:20:37] You know what?

[01:20:38] I'm done with this one

[01:20:39] I just want to see the other ones

[01:20:40] Like I'm like

[01:20:41] I now like knowing where he's

[01:20:42] That he's got such big plans for it

[01:20:45] Now I look at this movie as like

[01:20:46] Table setting in a way

[01:20:48] You know, I want to see him

[01:20:49] Just fucking live in this universe

[01:20:51] Totally

[01:20:52] Now that we know all the rules

[01:20:53] I'm into that too

[01:20:54] I mean, as long as the movie's good

[01:20:55] Yeah, I just don't want

[01:20:56] I saw Chorok the first flight

[01:20:57] To bring back all the human characters

[01:20:58] So

[01:20:59] I wanted to go in weird directions

[01:21:00] I wanted to tell tales

[01:21:01] We'll see

[01:21:02] Who knows

[01:21:03] I want a new planet

[01:21:04] I want a new Avatar

[01:21:06] Well, he's talked about that too

[01:21:08] I would love

[01:21:09] You'll visit some of the other planets

[01:21:10] In the Prometheus system or whatever

[01:21:11] I would love that so much

[01:21:13] So

[01:21:14] That's the most in-picture Avatar

[01:21:16] Merchandise Spotlight

[01:21:18] Oh

[01:21:19] Yes

[01:21:20] So this movie had

[01:21:21] Some of the worst selling merchandise

[01:21:22] For a blockbuster film in history

[01:21:24] Yeah, because like you say

[01:21:25] No one cares about the characters

[01:21:26] So they didn't do it

[01:21:27] Even the creatures and the vehicles

[01:21:28] Didn't sell well

[01:21:29] But it did produce

[01:21:30] What in my opinion is one

[01:21:31] Of the funniest action figures ever made

[01:21:32] Which is

[01:21:33] The Parker Self-Rate action figure

[01:21:35] Let me see

[01:21:36] So you talk about a film where

[01:21:37] I mean even

[01:21:38] No one even wants to buy

[01:21:39] Like a fucking Grace Augustine

[01:21:40] Right?

[01:21:41] That's not sticking in the craw

[01:21:42] And the Avatar is even

[01:21:43] The Naviz didn't even do well

[01:21:45] Parker Self-Rate is

[01:21:46] Just G. Avonio Rabisi

[01:21:48] Dressed up business casual

[01:21:49] Coming with

[01:21:51] A golf club

[01:21:52] Love it

[01:21:53] Because his first scene of the movie

[01:21:54] He plays golf into a mud

[01:21:55] This doesn't look like

[01:21:56] Hit it all

[01:21:57] It looks nothing like him

[01:21:58] There's no appeal in that thing existing

[01:21:59] Even if you're like me

[01:22:00] And you love G. Avonio Rabisi

[01:22:01] And Avatar

[01:22:02] It's just a dude in slacks

[01:22:03] A shirt and a striped tie

[01:22:05] Real

[01:22:06] And he's got a golf putter

[01:22:07] Alright

[01:22:08] That's all it is

[01:22:09] It's a great action figure

[01:22:10] By great I mean terrible

[01:22:11] Okay

[01:22:12] The film won three Oscars

[01:22:13] Wait wait also

[01:22:14] Slots

[01:22:15] Oh and now they're making slot machines

[01:22:16] They're expanding the brand

[01:22:17] With Turok and slot machines

[01:22:18] They're the two big

[01:22:19] That's how you know movies

[01:22:20] That hit when you make a slot machine

[01:22:21] Okay

[01:22:22] That's a merchandise spotlight

[01:22:24] It also holds really badly

[01:22:25] You can probably buy it on eBay

[01:22:26] For like two cents

[01:22:27] Film won three Oscars

[01:22:28] Spotlight

[01:22:29] Click

[01:22:30] Turned off

[01:22:31] Great

[01:22:32] Can you name the three Oscars

[01:22:33] One

[01:22:34] Yes

[01:22:35] It won

[01:22:36] Production Design

[01:22:37] Robert Stromberg is

[01:22:38] His name

[01:22:39] And they call it

[01:22:40] Right

[01:22:41] And then he also directed

[01:22:42] Maleficent

[01:22:43] Which is a bad movie

[01:22:44] Stromberg did

[01:22:45] Yes

[01:22:46] Art directors don't direct well

[01:22:48] Often no

[01:22:49] You're thinking Bowel

[01:22:51] Yeah who was a great art director

[01:22:52] And made the catnip

[01:22:53] Hey sometimes

[01:22:54] I don't know

[01:22:55] Carry on

[01:22:56] But yes

[01:22:57] Catnip Hardwick was an art director too

[01:22:58] I think

[01:22:59] Anyway she turned out well

[01:23:00] I can't remember

[01:23:01] I believe she started as an art director

[01:23:02] Anyway

[01:23:03] It also won a best cinematography

[01:23:05] Which is odd

[01:23:06] Mauro Fiori

[01:23:07] So that was I think the general Oscar voting pool

[01:23:10] Being like what a good looking movie

[01:23:12] But indeed it's not the cinematography

[01:23:15] That's good

[01:23:16] It's the animation

[01:23:17] And the visual effects

[01:23:18] And the work they put into lighting

[01:23:20] I mean there's some

[01:23:21] I don't know

[01:23:22] Especially watching it in 2D at home

[01:23:25] The fully live action scenes

[01:23:26] Look a little flat to me

[01:23:27] Sometimes

[01:23:28] But they look flat

[01:23:29] Because you can tell they're composed

[01:23:30] To pop in 3D

[01:23:31] And they're very brightly

[01:23:32] And plainly lit

[01:23:33] Because the images need to come through

[01:23:34] Right I just saw Billy Lynn's half time walk

[01:23:36] It's got that problem