[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check That'll do podcast That'll do podcast That'll do podcast Guys this movie's weird Yeah!
[00:00:28] Babe Pig in the City? It's a long movie! Griffin? Are you sure you watch a different movie? I watched this whole movie, I know, because I was mouth agape for the solid hour and 35 minutes. My tongue dried off and blew away in the wind like sand.
[00:00:48] That's weird because I just googled Babe Pig in the City and the top result is having a normal one. I don't think this is a weird movie. I think this is a pretty straight down the middle. This is like a standard meat and potatoes movie.
[00:01:01] Oh yeah, I saw that the MPA rated this movie as regular. Normal film for normal people. Right. This movie makes sense to me. Can I ask, I want to ask right off the bat, because we just have to get through the controversy of this movie.
[00:01:19] We're not going to do an intro or anything or who I am. I do all of that, but first I just want to address the big controversy because obviously there's a big debate within the film community about Babe Pig in the City. Uh-huh, what's that?
[00:01:35] Is this the best film featuring Mickey Rooney playing a character named Fugly Floom? Is this the number one? Uh, whoa, me and this is so tough. Because I loved his work in Deep Blue Sea. Yeah, I was about to say like he didn't do that in Bugsy.
[00:01:52] I could have sworn. No, you're thinking of Fugly. Yeah, Fugly Floom. Um, you know what? I'm going to say it's top five at least. It's definitely top five. It's an easy top five. And hey, it's tough to make the five. Hello everybody. My name is Griffin Newman.
[00:02:10] My name is David Sims. And this is Blank Check with Griffin and David. It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their careers and given a series of blank checks to make whatever series of past projects they want.
[00:02:22] And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they go to the city, baby. Yeah. And this is a new series on the films of George Miller. It is called Mad Pod Fury Cast. And today we're talking about his most bug nuts movie. Which is, I mean that's saying something.
[00:02:43] That's saying he has never made a not bug nuts movie. No. Correct? Correct. Right? Right? What's his most normal film? Lorenzo's Oil. The Witches of Eastwick? The Bug Nuts. I don't know. But this is in every way his most bug nuts movie.
[00:03:01] It's called Bay Pig in the City. And this is the number one top rated film on IMDb about pigs in cities. Yes. Okay. And joining us today from my brother, my brother and me from the Adventure Zone. Ladies and gentlemen, Travis McElroy. Hi, it's me Travis McElroy.
[00:03:24] I disliked this film while also enjoying watching it. Thank you. Now you... I don't know if that's possible. I had a strange dichotomy going on in my brain. You made a mistake right off the bat. You texted me right after you finished watching this movie. Yes.
[00:03:44] I believe your text was, fuck you Mr. Newman. I believe that was true. Wow. Yes, I believe that was true. Well here's what, hey fellas, let's get real for a minute. I tried to watch this film with my three and a half year old.
[00:03:57] And that was the mistake? That was the mistake. Huge mistake. You need to be at least 21 to see this film. I think, I know I've seen the first one. I think perhaps I've never seen this film and I was like, oh babe, a fun family romp,
[00:04:14] let us enjoy it. And then the first five minutes, Cromwell almost dies. And I was like, you know what babe? Let's put you on pause there. My daughter and I are going to watch some more. And I was like, let's zoom in on the wound. Oh my Jesus.
[00:04:30] Look at her closer. Teresa and I, my wife and I were both just staring at the TV and Teresa goes, did he die? And I was like, I don't know. Which I did not realize would be a refrain echoed numerous times on this movie. Sure.
[00:04:46] Did he die is a question you never stop asking in this film? Yes. Without a death. Right. There's another question you keep asking during this film, which is, am I dead? Like, only you're watching it.
[00:05:03] Is this the last moment of breath as the neurons flood my brain with these weird images that don't seem to match up into any kind of thing. But now I'm seeing a weird fever dream of, I don't know, perhaps a pig in the city. Yes.
[00:05:20] Is this just my dying energy that my brain is trying to make into some sense of normal? You feel like Fleelee out in the field chasing butterflies before he's called back to Earth. Which frankly, the fact that that wasn't a death made me mad that actively anger because
[00:05:37] his life seemed so much better on the other side. It looked incredible. It looked fucking unbelievable. His life looks so tight or say his afterlife compared to his shitty life. Yeah, you use the word fever dream Travis.
[00:05:52] It is a word that has come up frequently over the course of doing these George Miller movies because every single one of his movies feels like a fever dream. Yeah, but here's a question that we might struggle to answer throughout the course of this whole episode. Sure.
[00:06:09] Who is this movie for? Great question. That was the question that financiers asked when it was released, certainly. Because ostensibly this is a children's movie? Well, right. That was kind of the miscalculation. Yes. It was rated G. Let's see. It was originally rated PG.
[00:06:30] I don't know if it was rated PG. It was rated PG originally. No, no, no. No, they rated it PG. Then they thought that would be disastrous for their box office. So the ads and the poster shared going out with PG then they re-edited it.
[00:06:44] They took out several seconds of quote dog violence. Oh my God. That is a great metal band name. Yeah, dude. And then it was re-rated G. But I think it should have stayed PG. Yeah, they dropped off like 10 grand to every MPA member's house that day, right?
[00:07:06] They're like, come on, make it a G. There's an argument that this film should be the first NC 10. Yeah, there is a moment not to jump around, but the moment with the dog hanging by a chain in the water as the other animals look,
[00:07:27] but then turn away saying, look away honey, look away. And it's just like, this is, and I don't know if I can curse on your show, but even if the dog survives or whatever, the imagery of all of that is so messed up.
[00:07:42] And I just want to restate that is the dog violence that made the cut. Yes, they were like, G for this. Yes. General audiences. So I mean, this is the basic overview of the creation of this movie just to hit the big points.
[00:07:58] George Miller reads Babe as a book in the 80s. He goes, this is lovely. I would love to make a movie of this someday. Yes, I believe the movie is the book is called The Sheep Pig. Yes. And then it was retitled later with Babe to Kat.
[00:08:14] Well, to Kat Scrabble. Yes. Right. Yeah. But yes, he reads a cute British children's book in the 80s about a pig that's a sheepdog and he's like, he files it away. Right.
[00:08:26] And the main reason he files it away is for the technology to catch up to feel like both with CGI and animatronics. So this film is doable. When he finally, Well, he jumped the gun on that.
[00:08:38] So then in the early 90s when he realizes the film is is producible for the first time, he's sort of smarting from the failure of Lorenzo's oil, which was a flop and which is an Eastwick, which was him working within a studio system and feeling really chewed up by it.
[00:08:57] And I think he was sort of the the mythology is that he was sort of cautious about, I've had two films, one that was a difficult experience to make the other one that was poorly received by enlarge. Right.
[00:09:13] This feels really risky for me to now suddenly make a talking pig movie when I'm the Mad Max guy. I don't know if I want this on my reputation. I don't know if I can survive another flop.
[00:09:24] So he takes Chris Noonan, who is one of his protege's within the Australian film world and sort of had worked with him on Vietnam and things like that. Right. And goes, you should make this movie. This is your first feature. And the film gets made.
[00:09:41] And by all accounts, from the moment they start watching the dailies, George Miller starts seeing that the movie is working and regrets that he let someone else direct it.
[00:09:53] And so the entire production of Babe is the director fighting with the producer over who is the ultimate creative say in the movie. And I believe they never got over it. I believe they hate each other to this day. They hate each other to this day.
[00:10:09] And constantly still talk shit about each other. And I can't imagine why that sounds like such a pleasant working environment. I know.
[00:10:18] But then against all odds, this movie comes out in August and becomes a hit and then defying all expectations becomes a fucking eight time Oscar nominee including Best Picture and Best Director. Yes. I didn't remember that. Babe made $250 million worldwide.
[00:10:41] It was nominated for several Oscars and including directing and writing and all that. It won the National Society of Film Critics Award for Best Film. Like it was the critical favorite of that year, if that makes sense. Much like Mad Max Fury wrote.
[00:10:56] It was like this weird sort of like very on its face populist commercial studio film that somehow became the critical consensus choice for like the film Literati. Right. The critics that year were like, man, the movies we really dig are like Leaving Las Vegas, Safe, Babe. Right.
[00:11:16] That was where they were rallying. Did George Miller get credit for that? Was it like it's because of you that this was a huge success? Well, I mean who knows. I mean he got a screenplay in producing Oscar nominations.
[00:11:30] It's not like he wasn't his name was on the movie but he didn't direct it. But I think this is a lot of the bad blood between them is and apparently right. They were fighting from like week one of production.
[00:11:41] But then when Chris Noonan, a first time filmmaker gets his best director nom for this movie, which is so insane that a first time filmmaker got a best director nomination for a children's film released by a studio in August.
[00:11:58] Then I think George Miller started shit talking him more publicly because he was kind of like being like, hey, you know, Georgie Porgy had something to do with this. His big line is I served him that movie on a plate. Yes, I believe he literally said that. Right.
[00:12:15] That he sort of took the movie all the way up to the starting line and then felt like this is his interpretation of it. And then was on set every day and that for Chris Noonan to get credit was unjust and thus started a bad blood between them.
[00:12:31] Now Chris Noonan has made exactly. That's the kind of thing you should say with like regret and bitterness, not with pride. I serve you to him on a plate. Well, it seems like you fucked up. Right. Yeah, exactly George.
[00:12:44] It's true that Chris Noonan as you're about to say Griffin, I think has only made one film since it was his Beatrix Potter by a pick Miss Potter. Ten years later. Which is not very good. Eleven years later.
[00:12:55] And now we are ten plus years after that and he still hasn't made another film. He has a couple of credits as like consultant. Yeah, so he hasn't not only not directed. But he has not worked on other films.
[00:13:12] He has worked on other films as a consultant like two since 2000. Yeah, and he's he's done a couple of like TV episodes in Australia. I think that's it. But has not directed another film got nominated for best director for his first film one follow up out.
[00:13:31] George Miller was really doing the victory lapse for this movie. He became like the spokesperson for Babe and he started taking all the credit for it.
[00:13:39] OK, and and that's just important to know going into Bay Pig in the city that that chip is on the shoulder because he's like, I'll show you. That's the thing.
[00:13:49] The energy of Bay Pig in the city is I want to prove once and for all that I'm the guy responsible for Babe working. That's the thing. This film reeks of a lack of restriction, right?
[00:14:01] Where it's just like there had to be like numerous times where any normal person watching like the dailies I'd be like, hey, I think this is real fucked up. But the first movie was a successful and critical hit. So absolutely.
[00:14:17] Right. And he like has a strong track record at that point. He's more of an otor than Chris Noonan is. He's got the reputation. Right. The first movie is a hit and a fucking like Oscar nominee.
[00:14:27] So they were just like, I don't know who knows why the first babe work do more of whatever that was. But but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Babes does not demand a sequel. The ending of Babe is entirely definitive. He has achieved his goal.
[00:14:42] He's a sheep pig. Right. And you know what David? I would say he doesn't demand a sequel as evidenced by the sequel where it is literally nothing happens. But it's also so much. This movie is great. It just makes no sense as a sequel to babe.
[00:14:59] That would be my take. I'm sorry, David. This movie is not great. Masterpiece. Let me say Travis Travis, you're gonna you don't fight on your hands here. Well, OK, so let me tell you because listen, we could talk all day about the bonkers situations and we will.
[00:15:16] But like structurally, there are there is also some problems in the filmmaking itself, I believe, which is the one that really stands out to my mind. And I think it's because David, you have the back room of Fugly Bloom behind you. Yeah, we stand, you know.
[00:15:30] And so what we see is the Fugly locks babe in a trunk and mutters some words as though they could not afford to pay Mickey Rooney enough to speak words. Mickey might not have been in a speaking mood that day.
[00:15:49] So he mutters some stuff, hard cut to a performance in a children's wing of a hundred. No explanation. We do not see. We hear like babes say like, hey, you told me that if I did this, I get money.
[00:16:03] And we cut out any kind of context that might explain to me what has happened. I assumed Fugly Bloom and maybe I'm supposed to believe this was going to eat that pig. Sure.
[00:16:15] But no, he is now he uses the pig, which he has just discovered in his circus act that he's before. Could you imagine being a kid and witnessing that? I would rule that show is amazing.
[00:16:31] The kids are loving it and already painted on the set is and pig. How how long had the other was there another pig that died just before this and they needed to reply? What? How do they already have an act work? What is happening?
[00:16:48] They're performing at a hospital. Is that right? Because they're performing to an audience that is all doing medical gowns. Right. It's sick kids and old. Sure. It's the same hospital that we see later that all the animals are taken to because that's why the kid recognizes the loner.
[00:17:06] Right. They are back in the same hospital that apparently within this hospital, there is like a Galahal and an animal experimentation wing and a children's swing. All in listen now listen, you tell me there's a children's swing and a normal toilet toilet by it.
[00:17:25] You tell me there is maybe a Galahal and a hospital. Sure. But all those things and the animal experimentation. Did you guys notice how the city was like all the cities? Oh, you mean Metropolis, the city of Metropolis. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed that pen.
[00:17:42] I just want to read backtrack. I want to read your girlfriend. This is the downtown skyline of Metropolis. Okay.
[00:17:50] From the Wikipedia features numerous landmarks such as the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the Chrysler Building, the Empire State Building, the IDS Center, the MetLife Building, the Sydney Opera House, the Hollywood Sign, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Ferdinichstern Berlin, Big Ben, Red Square, the Statue of Liberty, the Eiffel Tower, the Christ the Redeemer Statue, among others.
[00:18:15] Good job on the IDS building from Minneapolis making it on the map. Minneapolis making it on that list, by the way. Why? Because it's cool. It is not David. It's not cool. How dare you give credit to that because they're also on some kind of like Venetian canal.
[00:18:33] Correct. Most of them don't just say, correct, like that's a cool thing that doesn't need explaining. And they're also in like Santa Monica because they got a beach. Yeah. That is 1000 percent. That is Venice Beach. I mean, that is Venice Beach. Good call. Yes. Yes. Here's the thing.
[00:18:51] This is a film that posits that no explanation is needed for anything at the beginning of the film. We are led to well, not even the beginning because we go all the way back.
[00:19:02] But at one point in the film, we are led to believe that there is like for some reason hotels are perhaps by law, not allowed to have any animals in them. And at one point where like the animal, whatever capturing group, whatever it is in the world,
[00:19:19] they show up like it's a fucking swatting. Yeah. That guy in the puffy suit, like the bite suit. They kind of have a bad zoo boy vibe. 100 percent. They're bad zoo boys. I think they're the worst. The worst.
[00:19:35] I think this is the key distinction, Travis, is that babies. Oh, huh. It's a children's film produced by the Mad Max guy. You can see sort of his sensibility, but there's a different director here. There's a different storytelling style. And it's like a fairy tale.
[00:19:53] It's set on a farm. It has a simple sort of like hero's journey. We can grapple with this. But this is very much a children's film directed by the man who directed Mad Max. Yes.
[00:20:06] And it's got the exact same kind of world building, which is stuff is thrown in your face and you are left to sort of extrapolate what you need to from it.
[00:20:14] Like it is, it is very fury road in sort of the way that you just have to roll with the punches. Exactly. Compared to fury road. Yes. Very much so. Like it is a world rich with backstory, but we are privy to none of it.
[00:20:28] And that is in many ways fine with me an adult whose brain is already broken in so many ways. But for a child. And it's just like, hey, just accept the idea of drug dogs, my three year old child. And I guess this woman being invasively inspected.
[00:20:48] Well, I mean, not to jump ahead here, but this movie was such a failure upon its release was large, largely critically trashed and was a massive, massive flop. And then its reputation has grown, but almost exclusively with adults now.
[00:21:04] Like this is not one of those movies like Willy Wonka where like when it came out, it wasn't a big hit. And then later both children and adults came to love it. This movie's reputation has been saved by the fact that adults have started watching it.
[00:21:17] I think no kids like this movie still to this day. I don't know what a kid would get out of this movie except for Nightmares. Nightmares, David. They would get us. It is a complete failure. They would dream about the Hanged Dog.
[00:21:30] Now, Griff, did you see this film when it came out? I did not. I did not see this film until probably about five years ago on Netflix. I did not see it when it came out.
[00:21:39] We will have done or will be soon doing a Babe episode on Patreon, but I rewatched both of these movies back to back last night because I really wanted the cognitive dissonance of these two films next to each other.
[00:21:53] Yes, especially since that's funny because I watched Babe pick in the city and then whiplash back to back just so I could be able to compare them. Also a good whiplash. Whiplash, one of the better whiplashes. But I forgot A that this movie literally starts like five minutes
[00:22:10] after the original Babe ends, but immediately you can tell you're in a different fucking movie. Yes. But rewatching Babe, when the first Babe came out, I was six or seven years old. I think six years old, 95.
[00:22:26] And I was terrified of death and Babe was this movie that everyone loved. My mom was like, we got to go see this thing. People say it's the best kids movie in years. And she took me to see it and death looms so large over that
[00:22:41] entire film that rewatching it. I remembered so vividly how much I hated that film in the theaters. I don't remember death looming large. That's interesting. Yeah, I was going to say more so than picking the... This is the difference.
[00:22:54] I think as a child, weirdly, I would have had less triggers with Pig in the City, which has this like very ominous tone. But Babe, the death is very explicit. Like it's so much about what is the purpose of a pig. You're going to be eating.
[00:23:11] You're constantly avoiding being slaughtered. His mother gets killed at the beginning. It's kind of bamby-ish in that sort of sense. That it's like very much about the immediate threats in a very small world. Like the farm is pretty idyllic, but death is constantly around the corner.
[00:23:26] Whereas Pig in the City is welcome to death city. Everything is death. Right. If I may, there is a very troubling existential moment in Babe Pig in the City, which I want to discuss. Literally existential where Babe is being chased by two dogs
[00:23:43] and the narrator describes what's going on in Babe's head where the flashes of his brief life like click through his head and he just stops running and turns around and says, why? I would like to read the direct quote. And the dog knocks him up.
[00:23:58] And it's basically like every human being's experience of after a while you just get shit on so much that you're like, why am I doing any of this? And I get knocked in the water. I'm going to read the direct quote. Yes.
[00:24:12] Because this is, I was thinking during this like, you know, throwing back to the trivia days of your, if in a trivia round in a movie trivia night, someone said, I'm going to read a quote named the movie. Would anyone guess Babe Pig in the City for this?
[00:24:31] Something broke beyond the terror flickerings fragments of his short life. The random events that delivered him to this his moment of annihilation as terror gave way to exhaustion. Babe, you would mute that word for trivia night. Yeah. Turn to his attacker, his eyes filled with one simple question.
[00:24:50] Why? Jesus fucking Christ. All right. So I want to take it back here. What I was going to say is did not see this movie when it came out in theaters because even though I probably was no longer traumatized by the first
[00:25:07] one by the point this came out, I still had less fondness for it than most children of my generation. And then on top of it, this one looked bug nuts and everyone hated it. I was like, skip easy pass. And then over years and years and years,
[00:25:24] it started to get more and more of a cold following within 1998, the only two people who really liked it were Cisco and Ebert and Ebert said it was this girl said it's this film of the year. It was the year. The last year he was alive.
[00:25:39] He named this film of the year and then died. He went out on babe pig in the city. Like a month later, Ebert was like this movie is great. And I think it's better than babe and Cisco was like, shut the fuck up. You pansy.
[00:25:54] It's not only great and better than babe. It's the best movie in a year that includes like the thin red line and out of sight and like this is the last movie I ever want to see. Saving Private Ryan. Like this is my movie this year.
[00:26:07] And then Jean Cisco dropped the mic on life. Yeah. He announced that he was taking the city was his number one film of 1998 and then left the mortal realm. Did you see this when it came out, David? I did and I have very little memory of it
[00:26:28] and I'm pretty sure I was just a kid who saw movies. I must have been, I don't know, 12 years old when this came out right in 98. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was just like, yeah, sure. And I remember seeing it thinking it was stupid,
[00:26:43] but I was also very like anti sequel at the time. Oh, one of those, huh? I was like, it's a sequel. Those are dumb. Like, you know, you know, you know, original films. That's what I liked. You were destined to become a film critic. Right. You were 12.
[00:26:59] And so I didn't really think about it much. And then I remember Noah Baumbach programming it with Eyes Wide Shut. At the Metrograph like four or five years ago. When the Metrograph opened, they let him program any double feature he wanted, the Metrograph Theater here in New York.
[00:27:17] And that was his choice, was Babe Pig in the City on a double feature with Eyes Wide Shut. Right. Two movies about exploring a weird artificial nightmare city as a sort of dark night in the soul. And these sort of plucky, like optimistic figures
[00:27:33] who think they are in control of their realm, master their domain, dropped into a hostile city and realizing that they are like the naive. They're both babes. Yes, they are babes in the wood. You also could say it's like both movies, it's about how rich people are bad.
[00:27:53] Correct. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. I had in my head a memory that this movie was at least weird and I knew it's reputation. I have not seen babes since theaters. So I do not remember Babe very well. I remember that it ends with him saying,
[00:28:10] that'll do Pig spoiler alert. A slam dunk. It is a slam dunk moment. Yeah, right? Perhaps one of the most like referenced children's movie moments like since it came out. I think everyone under even if they've never seen Babe, if you say that'll do Pig.
[00:28:28] I know what that is. It's part of the cultural lexicon. Right, and a line delivery that earned James Cromwell a legendary character actor, his only Oscar nomination, right? That isn't disputed. Correct. So I remember that. I flick on this movie and it begins just to say with,
[00:28:48] you know, Babe has a successful sheepdog. They've gotten lots of prizes. Everything's going great. And then Babe accidentally drowns and crushes his owner. Yeah. And here's the thing, folks, if you haven't seen it and you hear that and you're like, what happens between there? Nothing.
[00:29:08] That is the first 30 seconds of them. And so I guess my thesis going into this is like, if Babe is about like realizing, you know, growing up and realizing the person you want to be right and achieving that like he wants to be a sheep pig.
[00:29:23] That's the thing. He knows he's made to do it. He charges that goal and he figures it out. So George Miller is like, yeah, all right, kid, you figured out what you want to do. But unfortunately now you have to live life and life is brutal.
[00:29:37] And like there's tax men and there's prostitutes and there's Mickey Rooney. Like there's going to be people at every corner. Who are the prostitutes? Something's going on with those chimpanzees. Oh, okay. I would have accepted the poodle or the poodles.
[00:29:55] The poodle who says that people have taken advantage of her and used her. And I think that's what we're supposed to glean from that. Right. That was just, I mean, as someone who didn't love the original Babe at the time, but knew that everyone else loved it,
[00:30:10] seeing the trailer for this movie. A, I think I had a little bit of the thing you did, David, where I was like, ah, sequels, you know, the matching returns, whatever. And then this movie looked from the trailers so much goofier than the first film,
[00:30:22] which is a very stylized, heightened film, but also has this kind of like austere farm life. It stars a stoic character actor. It has humans. This movie is like forget the humans. We are as little as them as possible. Like this is animal first.
[00:30:39] There's also this distinction where it's like Babe is a very stylized movie that takes place in a somewhat recognizable world. The performances, the visuals are like heightened. It has all the George Miller, like wide-angle lenses and the like churrascura lighting and the weird fever dream quality,
[00:31:01] but the story is very, very straightforward. And nothing that happens in the film is wildly outside of the realm of what could happen in real world, even when Babe actually like herds the dogs or the sheep rather. That's like an impressive animal trick
[00:31:18] you might see on YouTube these days. Exactly. And that's the final moment of the first film. And then the second movie starts and there's this like, hero's welcome victory parade for Farmer Hoggett that immediately you can tell you're in a different universe.
[00:31:33] Like it suddenly feels like you're in fucking Dr. Seussland and there are people sky-writing ham which then gets corrected to champ. Yes. That's how you sky-write ham. So from the get-go, you can start from the middle of the word and then build out.
[00:31:48] Yeah, you work your way out. You definitely get two planes to do it at the same time because what else are you going to do, Griffin? You start at the 20% mark. You go up to 80. Then you get a second plane and you circle back to zero and to 80
[00:32:03] to fill in the rest. The recurring thing in this film that I think kept throwing me is there are very few, if any, anchor points in which one might grab onto to give you some frame of normalcy because even in the far, like as you said, David,
[00:32:20] in the first one there's a lot more human points. It's like the human world is normal and then you go into the animals and there's this whole other society that we're learning about. Whereas in this one, not only are the humans also pretty wacky,
[00:32:35] there's one point where the woman who owns the hotel just leaves for the majority of the movie and it's just like, hey, this building is now all animals. And it's like, what is happening? It is this thing of like, and this was the thing I remember recognizing
[00:32:51] when the trailers came up, which it's like, okay, first of all, it seems like James Cromwell is not in this movie at all. So not only is this film less focused on humans, you're removing the one human who impossibly got an Academy Award nomination for this movie.
[00:33:06] So already George Miller is like, look, if you love babe, you're in good hands. I was the real auteur. I'm gonna give you everything you want for pure babe. First of all, we're getting rid of the actor you all liked.
[00:33:16] He's caput. He's at the bottom of the well 10 minutes in. Not only are we getting rid of him. Was that him? We're mutilating him. Yeah, I just assumed that was Cromwell saying like, hey, I don't wanna fucking do this. Hey, I did the one pig movie and now...
[00:33:30] I read Cromwell's random roles feature from the AV club, which was from some years ago. And he said, he seemed like he was very much team Chris Noonan during the production of Babe, that he felt very protective of Chris Noonan
[00:33:47] as George Miller was trying to wrestle control of the film. He didn't say that he asked to be in Pig in the City less, but I could understand how maybe George Miller could feel less inclined to bring him back.
[00:34:03] And he, to his credit said, George Miller was very pleasant in the second film. I only had a nice experience with him, but I thought he was a real bully on the first movie. Wow. It's so crazy how traumatic that first movie was. I know and he's like...
[00:34:17] I had a great experience. It was a lovely film. I'm so proud of that performance. It was pretty magical. It was six months of my life. It was such a different like work experience than I've had,
[00:34:27] but George Miller was a bully and the film was kind of terrible from that one perspective. Can you guys imagine how much different the final action sequence would have been in this movie if it had been Cromwell bouncing around the ballroom,
[00:34:43] like with his inflatable pants and like his bouncy suspenders and it was just him bouncing from column to column trying to catch that. You mean when George Miller essentially remakes the master blaster battle from Beyond Thunderdome in a high society party with animals and an old lady?
[00:35:03] Hey, also once again just from filmmaking point of view, the smashing into the champagne cups never pays off. It made me so mad. The actress who plays Mrs. Hoggett in this film was like an Australian sketch comedy sitcom actress. She was 33 years old when filming the first Babe.
[00:35:26] What? Which means she's 35 in this one. You're right. She you're absolutely right. My God, that is a no offense to one year younger than me. Because Cromwell was 55 and she was 33. Right. Cromwell was born in... 32 or 33. Yeah. Yeah. He's Cromwell is like 80 now. Yes.
[00:35:50] Here's the other thing that's weird and not that important but kind of odd is that Christine Kavanaugh, the voice of Chucky from Rugrats, Voice Babe in the First Babe. And this time Miller was like, get me a different Rugrat, get me Tommy, get me EG Daily.
[00:36:08] Like because Christine Kavanaugh asked for too much money? Is that the reason? I don't know. She also kind of half retired after that because I feel like she stopped playing Chucky as well around this time. She dies like 2012. I always thought she died earlier
[00:36:25] because she sort of moved away from working. I don't know if it was money. I don't know if it was just a career shift thing because her leaving Rugrats as well is kind of weird but there is that thing,
[00:36:36] aside from the fact that you're like getting rid of Cromwell, there's also the thing that the first movie and you're changing the voice of Babe, right? You're like disrupting the main two performances from the first film that people connected to emotionally.
[00:36:50] The First Babe kind of operates on like George Orwell Animal Farm Logic where it's like the animals are never doing anything that an animal couldn't do in real life. If you were a human witnessing this from the outside, you would not hear their dialogue
[00:37:07] but their physical behavior would seem normal and it's just about how societal human thoughts are imposed onto animal behavior. We just don't know that they're talking to each other. There's a lot of like, oh what you never realize is
[00:37:23] this is what the animals talk about when you're not around. Kind of classic talking animal rules. And then the Babe pig in the city trailer when you go like Babe sounds different, James Cromwell's nowhere to be seen and now apparently fully dressed chimpanzees live in a flop house.
[00:37:42] And also the orangutan throughout the movie is disturbing. I kept waiting for him to murder someone. Filonious monkey? Yes, at the end when he is helping the lady hang her clothing I'm like he's just gonna murder Cromwell and take over as like her husband.
[00:38:03] That guy's creeping me out. You cannot get a read on this guy's allegiances. You do not know where Filonious Monkey's allegiances lie. Well, so this is the thing as you're talking about one of the differences I realized between Babe and Babe pig in the city
[00:38:18] is one of the fascinating things that made Babe work is that Babe, the character is admittedly fairly passive like things keep happening around him in the first movie so you're looking at him interact with the sheep you're looking at him interact with the two dogs
[00:38:36] and you're watching him grow into being more confident and being good at this thing and the relationships that form, right? And then it also is like not only are we doing away with the societal part of like we're in a farm
[00:38:50] or you're learning about how these animals interact now you also are like hey you remember those two dogs that were like his parents where he earned the love of the dad? They're out. Hey, remember the sheep that he worked with? They're out. And it was just like
[00:39:02] even the duck, Ferdinand doesn't come into like the back to the third act the musicals are only complaints I believe was like more duck, love that duck Ferdinand no joke, Honks in this movie Yes. But they just like removed every, hey like you know how
[00:39:22] you liked all of these things in the first one get them the fuck out but we know your favorite things them singing mice we kept those babies Well but not to repeat myself that's what's most astonishing about this movie is that it jettisons almost everything that people
[00:39:35] reacted to most strongly in the first film but the movie is also very clearly the director saying let me prove to you that I'm responsible for the first movie being good Yes. To get back into the plot after Bade mutilates
[00:39:55] a farmer hog it by dropping him into a well and then dropping a giant piece of machinery onto his head I mean a really ominous sequence with the sort of aesthetics and the tone of Daniel Plainview down the well in the beginning of there Yes.
[00:40:11] Exactly what I was thinking of and Especially with the narration in there of like the pig would wonder for years if only if and I was like Jesus Christ Yeah it's all insane and in a movie that in the first babe you probably would just need him
[00:40:27] bonking his head Miller is just sort of like let's just bring this up to eleven I'm a doctor I'm going to show you serious injuries Exactly, exactly so hog gets out so the farm can't pay its bills so the tax men come and Esme played by
[00:40:45] first build Magda Subanski decides to take babe to a far away sheepdog herding contest right? Isn't it an appearance? Yeah it's like he's going to get an appearance and they just only get trapped in the city because like that's like their connecting flight
[00:41:05] or whatever like that's the only reason they're in the city at all he's not trying to get to the city right? No this fucking dog drug sniffing dog Yeah a real narc Which like this is this other weird thing is you know as we're saying
[00:41:19] like the first babe is like you understand a farm it's a small contained space we know how animals exist on a farm animals have roles on a farm we're transposing that on to like the internal life of the animals and how they would treat it
[00:41:32] like a job but we understand the whole movie is based on the fact that like a pig doesn't herd sheep that's not what happens here and then this movie then makes the transition to okay here are animals who have jobs this is like in the real world
[00:41:48] a real animal that has a real job and what kind of attitude would he have so already you're like this is odd to see Mrs. Hoggett and babe in this like terrifying modernist airport it feels off-putting it feels like it's immediately abandoning the entire
[00:42:04] energy of the first movie but you understand like okay yeah so babe could meet a drug sniffing dog or a bomb sniffing dog and he could think like take his job very seriously but also not understand why everyone responds to him so strongly that's kind of a fun
[00:42:22] conceit that he just thinks the barking is like a party trick to get the attention and he doesn't understand that that's what does in Mrs. Hoggett and babe because so much of babe is that babe is this innocent he doesn't understand anything everyone he meets
[00:42:36] teaches him a little something about the world and in part babe ends up teaching them but right yeah this is like it dooms him they end up pulling Mrs. Hoggett she is furl... because she is smuggling drugs right in like this very terrifying like interrogated by like seemingly
[00:42:58] I don't know they look like CIA officials yes and not to nitpick but if I may may I nitpick for a moment you may you may thank you the idea I fly a lot do a lot of conventions and a lot of tours humble breath
[00:43:16] they do not make you go to baggage claim and get your baggage and then check your baggage again to get on a connecting flight that is not how that works and yet that is what trips her up and she's waiting for the pig
[00:43:30] to come through baggage claim so she can go get on another flight no no no I call foul well hey don't call foul until the Ferdinand shows up making the same thing but then it sets up this thing of okay so now she's missed her flight
[00:43:48] there's no other play for her to get on they're stuck waiting at the airport and now the film reveals this element that the rest of the world outside of this farm is so aggressively hostile to animals yes that within this airport she has no place she can stay
[00:44:06] everyone's kicking her out she tries to bundle it up as a baby she doesn't know what to do she's stuck looking for somewhere to stay until I guess the next flight is the next day is that the idea yeah she's looking for a one night
[00:44:20] stay and then one of the weirdest conceits in this movie a man comes up to her and recommends to her this one hotel in the city and then the narrator says who knows why this kind man offered this advice and the man turns around a camera
[00:44:34] and he looks exactly like a pig there is a running thing in this movie that every once in a while the only acts of kindness that are done from human to human in this film happened by people who have been cursed to look exactly like pigs
[00:44:48] and take some pity on this happens like three times in the film there's like a judge is that not the same person different people they're different people it's just more like okay look here's what life is like there's a big city then there's a bunch of farms
[00:45:06] okay in the big city people live their lives you got all it looks like you know a party 24 7 there's roe or blading hunks exactly it's it's right it's Venice Beach circa 1998 but also glue and there's animal hotels and you know don't try and go to the
[00:45:24] airport blah blah blah and if you try and check into a hotel with a pig you're cursed obviously but there are also pig people is it a hotel though because it seems like they're living yes sure it's a residential hotel I suppose you could call it
[00:45:39] boarding house yeah it's a boarding house that's what it feels like to me but right the second they get to the city proper when they leave the airport and you first see the skyline and then you go in and the skyline immediately stands out as like
[00:45:55] these are you know as we said landmarks that are not usually in the same image something weird is going on here and then they cut into this weird Venice street corner yeah it looks like the premiere of the Phantom Menace red carpet or whatever like it's so incongruous
[00:46:13] and the movie just divorces all reality at this point it goes like this is not Bay Pagan a city there's a reason we didn't name it Bay Pagan New York we decided that the city this film takes place in is every city all at once if Coruscant
[00:46:31] is the whole planet is a city this is the whole city is all cities yes but here's what I will say though just from a design standpoint I don't know if you guys know this I have done some professional scenic design for theater
[00:46:43] and so I get really hung up on like scenic design and if you look at like the Venice be like I was right the Venice canal area right the canals it's a very specific design where you're like oh yeah this is a sound
[00:46:57] stage or they built this it doesn't necessarily it kind of looks like the canals by Venice Beach it kind of looks like actual Venetian canals but it is very general and specific at the same time but when they go when she goes to that beach
[00:47:11] that is so one for one Venice Beach that it's like oh you didn't build a set for that one you went on location for that one so you went from soundstage to on location and it looks like it's lit two different ways it looks like
[00:47:27] two different set it is upsetting visually to me because it is like she wondered offset and they just started filming outside the studio and I want to see if I can find this but I think this film was like the largest exterior set ever made
[00:47:47] the main sort of Venetian cityscape but this is one of those insane film production stories where it was like not only was it like one of the biggest and most expensive sets that was ever made and that was because it's on cost and time and energy but
[00:48:07] I think it was filmed in Australia I think the beach isn't Venice Beach I think it's somewhere in Sydney but there wasn't a soundstage big enough to realize the set they wanted so they were building a soundstage in order to then build the sets on the soundstage
[00:48:27] like they had to create it was shot in Australia yes they had to create a studio large enough to then create the largest set ever so they were like it was the cost of building the facility and then building the set on the facility I think they took
[00:48:43] some run down place and had to like rebuild it and expand it in order to build that set but the movie is it's one of those things where it's just like it is much like Eyes Wide Shut where when the film came out everyone was like this movie
[00:48:59] is supposed to be New York is shot in London and it looks nothing like New York and it feels nothing like New York and it's an abject failure at representing New York and Scorsese was one of the first people to go like he's Stanley Kubrick
[00:49:15] like if it doesn't look like New York and it doesn't seem like New York that's intentional he could have made a fake New York in London if that's what he wanted to do and I think part of the conceit that George Miller is doing here is like
[00:49:27] this is a city that actually defies logic where you can oscillate between things that look like real locations and look like sets that it terrains that don't make sense within a mile of each other Travis is scrunching up his face he's making a no-no stinky
[00:49:45] poo-poo face because that cut what you're saying there is one it's bonkers to me to compare George Miller and Stanley Kubrick but two no bomb act did it you can't say like because I'm a genius this works that's not a good logical argument
[00:50:03] well you see the reason this works is I'm right well I know I think it is he's trying to create a city that is so thoroughly overwhelming that it has to be every city all at once yes but I think the problem is right now
[00:50:23] I hate to argue with you guys you know I love you guys so much but I think the reason I can't process this movie in such a way that I enjoy it is that it asks me to accept that everything is bonkers like there is no
[00:50:39] okay for example the woman who runs this hotel right if she was more normal she's an odd lady let's be honest and from the beginning when she seems to be conspiring with Fugly that they are both going to kill the pig or something but if she had come
[00:50:59] across as very sweet and genuine I would have been like oh this represents like the same thing the farm is which is this is like this oasis of kindness but instead she's bonkers and she's like you can't trust anybody in the city that's kind of a take
[00:51:17] right that's the thing is you can't trust anyone but this person and that's why she is so unhappy and she doesn't fit in right sure like instead it's just like the world is bonkers the characters are bonkers we never get one single solitary line of explanation as to
[00:51:35] why everyone hates animals so much like it's just like you accept that everything is bonkers all the time but because everything is bonkers there's no solid stand here look around at all the bonkers things I've made everything is so topsy-turvy that I can't gain perspective
[00:51:53] on how wonderfully bonkers everything is we're all smiling as you monologue because we're all like yeah that's great no it makes me you sound awesome exactly I need one piece of ground that I can stand upon babe is not, babe is a shitty character he's super grounded
[00:52:15] he's got a spy collar he's a maximum killer and he looks like a toupee yeah why does he have the little wig he has it in the first movie too what's up with his little like toughy hair I think it's to make him look unique
[00:52:33] there's like so many animal films have like and this is the one special animal they got this one weird differentiating visual I think it's also to make him stand out but it's not like there are a lot of other pigs in either of these movies right it's
[00:52:51] this is really weird movie guys I'm sorry other animals know what he is yeah which is weird but I guess it's like a city animal thing nobody even on the farm in the original movie I feel like no they know him better
[00:53:09] it's in this one right this is the one where no one understands what species he is hey can I ask you guys an off-duty question yeah I mean it's on topic because we're talking about Babe but aside from Babe and any of the original farm animals
[00:53:23] who is your favorite animal character in this movie oh that's a tough question I mean you're talking about some of my best friends of all time I know I'm making you choose it's like choose a child you know for me it's definitely the bull terrier you know
[00:53:43] the mean dog who becomes a nice dog okay I actually I do love that writing wise that mean dog is like listen I'm a mean dog I'm not gonna start being nice it's just that I owe you and I recognize that I want you to know
[00:53:57] if you hadn't saved my life I'd be killing you right now hey Travis yeah thank the pig thank the pig that scene is crazy we need to keep going no I want to know Grimble my favorite animal I mean obviously I'm a flea lick guy
[00:54:15] he's right in my wheel ass yeah yeah yeah see for me it's the nameless voiceless cabbage and monkey who just seems to be there whenever they need someone with hands and thumbs or whatever oh yeah he's a rapscallion he does steal I love him
[00:54:31] and he's in a kilt? oh I enjoy him I know right that's for him is that your guy Ben the monkey as well yeah that makes sense my favorite performance is Bob the chimpanzee played by deadpan alt-comedian Steven Wright that's another thing
[00:54:51] right but like to go like it's 998 it's the sequel to babe you're adding more animals more speaking roles more voiceover parts the first movie is mostly like it's Hugo weaving and Miriam Margolis but now like you're going into this film it's a blockbuster
[00:55:09] you could get any actors you want who are your two big name actors Glen Headey and Steven Wright are your two big Adam Goldberg Adam Goldberg the same year saving Private Ryan and then most of the rest of the cast is voiceover artists yep like cartoon voiceover artists
[00:55:29] that's the moment for me where the film like in Venice it gets 10 degrees crazier and the same way that when you go to the airport it gets 10 degrees crazier and the same way that the parade gets 10 degrees crazier than the original babe
[00:55:41] but the moment where the film just immediately goes this takes place an upside down bug nuts banana world is when they're going through the boarding home and they get to the door with the chimpanzees and they're fully dressed in a fully furnished apartment watching TV
[00:56:01] and the monkeys fully behave like human beings the most disturbing moment in the movie for me is so we've just watched it's not even the dog hanging and drowning and clearly dying and then somehow being resurrected through babe's love no it is right after that when then suddenly
[00:56:21] seemingly out of the woodwork about 20 other animals that we have not seen previously show up and they're like and they're like will you please help us other animal and then they all line up as one by one they get like a jelly bean out of a jar
[00:56:41] great scene he's a street king and they think the pig they gotta think that pig so right George Miller is like look in the city Mike makes right and you're just gonna have to learn that and it's a tough lesson that you have to learn
[00:56:57] but that doesn't mean you can let go of your you know your kindness your inherent empathy for life right like that's sort of the crucial moment in the middle of the movie babe is more passive than this character and he doesn't have a... he doesn't have a goal
[00:57:17] like in first movie he's like I want to be a sheep pig but he is one of those Paddington type characters where it's like the key to babe is that everyone who meets him gets a little bit changed by him he's not a piece of shit right right
[00:57:35] that he just is sort of so steadfast in his beliefs or at least is so sort of open in his earnestness that he makes people question the structures that they previously believed in and in the original film it's like maybe you could be nice to
[00:57:53] sheep rather than yell at them and in this film it's like power structures within a city it's like a mob enforcer pit bull right maybe I can make this pig a made man that's exactly what it is yes like that jelly bean scene is
[00:58:15] like line up and kiss the ring like I have anointed this guy as the new dawn of the city and babe is just like oh thank you very much thank you for coming and so if I may pick up the plot for a moment
[00:58:27] please it now takes yet another harsh turn in plot wise where they're like okay I think I see because then the across the street neighbors who we have not introduced before this moment call the animal police because they're disturbing their animal swat team
[00:58:47] they are listening to an opera and the animals are somehow disturbing this and so the animal swat rolls up and starts choking animals and putting them in nets including the sudden appearance of chimp babies you're missing a key detailer we're jumping over a big point which is
[00:59:11] she's supposed to fly out the next day but while she's checking in and a kooky hotel animal lady is giving her the tour fugly flume discovers babe bugly flume played by mickey rooney of course legendary Hollywood actor mickey rooney and who only lived
[00:59:31] for 16 more years after this movie do you think while making this film mickey rooney because I really couldn't decide do you think on set he was like I was mickey rooney I was the biggest star in Hollywood and now I'm playing fugly flume and babe too
[00:59:51] or do you think he was looking around the set and going like finally a picture of the way we used to make them I think it's that second one Griffin some animals wearing little clothes walking on their hind legs I get this, this makes sense to me
[01:00:07] he was 15 years removed from his honorary Oscar he just kept working I know, he's got zero human dialogue in this film I mean he just is drunkenly slurring and mumbling yeah he just whispers basically his pants hunk he is whisked off to the hospital
[01:00:27] so basically that scene plays out where it's the chimps and the orangutan and babe and fugly performing a children's house movie it all goes wrong because babe is in the wrong place and then cut to fugly being wheeled off on a gurney dead are those two things connected
[01:00:49] well his business is ruined because the whole set burnt down no I understand that but he was he seemed to be okay at the end of that scene and then later Thelonious says I tried to wake him and he wouldn't wake up I think the accident
[01:01:03] of the hospital and him being wheeled off with a gurney are two separate events well on Wikipedia it claims that he is in a food coma I don't know why it doesn't explain how he got in a food coma babe also fired a cannon at the scene
[01:01:21] yeah that's true I think he might have died of a broken heart because the act went so poorly that day sure he's a compact professional right he hates to give a crowd less than 110% right but this sets up the closest thing this movie
[01:01:41] has to a plot which is Mrs. Hoggett and babe are separated and she's got to find babe and babe is kind of like on his own right right she goes out wandering the city trying to find babe in the process angers a biker gang who then attacks
[01:01:59] a bunch of cops who look like the cops from the first Mad Max like very tight biker leather cops right right gets a bucket of billboard paste dumped on her head and gets shipped off to jail and the movie is can Mrs. Hoggett find babe
[01:02:19] and get him back and somehow get out of this but Hoggett is out of the action for like a full 45 minutes after that right she is not really seen that's when babe has his run in with the mean dogs and that's when the bridge sequence happens
[01:02:39] this is when humans just disappear from the movie for an extended period of time because right he gets chased I mean he's sort of those street scenes of him just wandering around the city displays not knowing what to do with a family I mean what we have four
[01:02:57] three chimpanzees and a orangutan and then a little monkey well the monkeys come later the little monkeys come later but no there's the brother in law the little brother of Bob and the two adult chimpanzees both have hair the Glenheady chimpanzee has like long lady hair and
[01:03:21] Bob the chimpanzee has like a fucking Steve Van Zandt Sopranos like Tompador yes this is accurate and the slowest monk wears a very tight three piece suit yeah it's like velvet and it has like a fucking pocket watch or whatever like it is
[01:03:41] he is put in a really tight in terms of like it's fucking styling he's part of the act is he just takes the signs on and off well see this is where
[01:03:51] maybe this isn't a different edit but I got the impression that he was kind of the brains of the thing and Fugly was like kind of out of it a little bit at this point so maybe when they were younger they had this act together
[01:04:01] but now mostly the Lonious keeps it going as Fugly is kind of like maybe losing a little bit of his edge and he's not so much not able to talk or say words yeah yeah yeah I think that's the conceit is that in this the winter of
[01:04:17] their show biz career Fugly Floom has now become the trained animal and the Lonious Monkey is kind of the human host of the proceedings the MC but they're wandering through this strange city Babe comes across two very ferocious dogs who chase him an extended chase great chain work
[01:04:39] unbelievable I mean this dog is literally off the chain oh yeah I mean this chain sequence there's like there's a shot at one point with the lawnmower where the lawnmower drags into the camera yeah that was great stuff great chain
[01:04:55] do you think that some of the dog violence that was cut was the other dog dying because they just disappeared as far as I could find that is what was cut but this extended chase where you're like right this is the Mad Max guy
[01:05:09] he's doing an extended hyper-violent terrifying dog v pig foot chase through an unforgiving city until they end up on the bridge back in the Venetian section of the city the dog jumps over or falls over the bridge is hanging himself near death after the wild moment
[01:05:31] his head is suspended underwater and his body is jerking around as he slowly drowns he's underwater for a long time yes it takes that pig a while to swim Babe makes this active choice to follow kindness
[01:05:49] and to save the life of someone who was just trying to kill him now to a point that you made earlier Griffin I would like to just real quick let everyone close their eyes and picture in the first movie you see
[01:05:59] a pig talking to some dogs or whatever and we the human beings see it now imagine this scene where we see a dog hanging from the chain over the side of a bridge to the left we see three chimpanzees while a orangutan
[01:06:13] looks on there's an army of dogs watching and I think some cats and three singing mice as the pig pushes a boat under to save the dog and a cabbage and monkey comes in on length and the human is watching from the distance like this seems normal okay
[01:06:29] nothing weird here I mean there is this I think it was MGM maybe in like the 20s had a series of live action short films called the dogville shorts that I am obsessed with they were eventually discontinued because there were questions over how humane they were
[01:06:51] but they are just sort of like genre exercises of like types of old fashioned studio Hollywood films acted out entirely by dogs they built little dogs Oh like TVS used to do the monkey movies Yes so there are little dogs on their hind legs wearing human clothes
[01:07:11] and they are like dog waiters serving fancy dogs having dinner at like a dog dance hall I will send you folks links to them and I'll post them on the reddit but there is this really weird unnatural thing to them where you are just like
[01:07:25] they are so well executed it is so unnerving the sort of nuance of performance they get out of the dogs I don't want to know what they had to do to get those performances out of the dogs but the sort of just like very subtle headshifts
[01:07:39] and then the dubbing of the actors over it it is this very bizarre thing to watch animals do human things and have the film you are watching say like and this is normal you just have to accept all of this as normal
[01:07:55] and the scene that you just described Travis is like the chimpanzees are the audience surrogates at that moment like you are seeing this horrible scene through the eyes of the chimpanzees and you are the normal characters a family of primates wearing human clothes with little wigs
[01:08:17] having just abandoned their career in show business your point griffin makes me think about what if you were just a crew guy like just a grip working on this like recounting your day what the fuck was this movie production these fucking monkeys are dressed up
[01:08:35] dog drowned as pig was watching it's like complete insanity animal training for films such as it is takes so long to get anything that you just have to imagine that like every two minutes of this film took two days yeah so what you say this must have been
[01:08:55] a nightmare to make right oh for sure just the poop alone imagine whether all lined up down the stairs that was someone going step by step saying stay stay and hoping that these like 40 animals fucking stayed in one place for the shot
[01:09:15] that they all line up and you are dealing with slightly more docile animals in the first bay but this one they are just like let's up the amount of dogs right and where dogs and monkeys and monkeys in the same room yeah that's nature's three greatest enemies
[01:09:31] dogs cast monkeys that's the class that's why we see Tom and Jerry and Steve yes and alien versus predator and a fish and one fish so after the whole dog sequence and then the godfather-esque tribute paying sequence involving jelly beans you mean dog drowning scene
[01:09:58] yes right sorry dog drowning what did he say? did he say God drowning he just said dog scene I'd like to just you know clarify in the third babe movie the plan was that babe would try to drown god but it never did get to that unfortunately hahahaha
[01:10:16] this is another amazing dialogue exchange that comes out at this point in the movie when he saves the pipple and the pipple thanks him effusively babe says you're very kind but and the pipple goes don't know I'm anything but kind in fact I have a professional obligation
[01:10:34] to be malicious I love this great line babe says then you should change jobs isn't the it's just the dog say a murderous shadow is over him or whatever like there's all these lines that are so floored and kind of fancy sounding which is Miller's specialty
[01:10:54] that dialogue though that moment between the dog and babe is usually my favorite moment of this entire I was like oh I would watch these two on a buddy comedy forever yeah they're pretty cool and then you get introduced to all
[01:11:06] the other stray dogs who have somehow just sort of found babe including the pink poodle right and he's kind of a savior yes right because this babe needs to get a little tough he needs to get his chain neck what do you call it his spiky collar
[01:11:24] his spiky collar right he needs to get a bit of an attitude if he's going to survive in the city so then all of the animal swat shows up and starts taking people away the neighbor is called animal swat shows up and the implication is
[01:11:40] that the opera lovin neighbors are the ones who called the swat team on it and then thus begins like a five minute long horrifying scene where we just see one by one animals with like chokers put around their neck and nets thrown over
[01:11:54] and like they attempt to kill the fish once again that fish out of water for a really long time and then babe spits the fish into the canal and in a scene that for half a second I was like Zee even that fish
[01:12:06] and then he spits the fish out but it is part of the chimpanzee lady has just given birth to twins out of nowhere we don't know she's pregnant they have their great jelly bean kiss the ring let's here's our ceremony to induct babe into the mafia scene
[01:12:26] and then she starts complaining about her belly he puts his ear up to it and the next thing you know we're in the middle of animals two babies it's a delivery sequence all the animals come together and help deliver these chimpanzee twins who are the cutest robot
[01:12:46] chimpanzees I've ever seen with umbilical cords the way this movie has been shaping up I thought the babe would be the one to deliver the babies don't worry I've seen this on the farm he has little like scrubs on that would be really cute no joke
[01:13:04] five seconds after these babies are delivered the animals watch us up so we see her holding the babies like get a net there which was horrifying to me everything you're describing is just demented all of this just sounds fake it just sounds like a making it up
[01:13:20] capuchin monkey babe and furdanan are able to escape the clutches of these people they choose not to take flea lick I guess because he is in a doggy wheelchair so instead flea lick bites onto a lab coat and gets dragged behind the truck for miles and so
[01:13:40] furdanan, babe and the capuchin monkey go following them they find flea lick let's be honest dead he is in the afterlife he is dead you see the babe brings him back from heaven anyone who's watched buffy the vampire slayer I was reminded of that
[01:14:00] they brought flea lick back and I wanted flea lick to back you should have left me there why didn't you leave me there so then they roll up to this hospital and also as may has now escaped from or not escaped from prison been set free
[01:14:14] in jail because the pig judge said I feel bad for you cause I love pigs and set her free she is still caked in a paste and there's a scene where she's looking for the pig and I guess her now hardened dress
[01:14:28] splits wide open and we see her bloomers which is I assume why IMDB told me that the sex and nudity in this movie was mild well there are also a bunch of naked animals for time and I guess they are not wearing clothes in some circumstances
[01:14:44] so all the animals you see babe's butthole shot one so babe and the kabocha monkey and flea lick and and pardon me man I guess they've been taken to be experimented upon you're also skipping over the fact that for a solid 10 minutes of the film
[01:15:04] even though he eludes capture babe continues running around trailing the full whatever that thing's called that weird like noose on a stick he's carrying that long metal pole with the noose around his neck and he's wearing a slipknot t-shirt the whole time it's so weird
[01:15:26] it's so weird but hey it makes sense he's got that collar he's got this by collar so he's just like he's expanding his horizons so I'm not certain where it happens but also as may runs into the owner of the hotel
[01:15:42] they make a plan to go save the animals and the only clothes she has that will fit her is the is the fugly flume clown costume which she dawns also Mickey Rooney is like 4 foot 10 there's no way that would fit her I mean
[01:16:00] there's a lot of things that are no way in this movie you know but you seem okay with it Griffin the only logic problem I have in the entire movie that the same clothes would not fit Mrs. Hoggett and the fugly flume
[01:16:12] so the two of them are going to rescue the animals meanwhile Babe has set all of the animals free from their cages but Thelonious needs to get dressed before they can leave and in this delay it allows time for the attendant to come back
[01:16:26] and lock the door now here's what I do love because this is never explored but I think they could have spent a little more time on this one point but I think at this point Thelonious sees himself and listen it's clear there's a lot of showing of this
[01:16:38] and not telling but I think they could have told a little bit that I think at this point Thelonious considers himself more human than animal orangutan is very you know they're very close relatives to the human he carries himself he's not willing to go out
[01:16:54] with that his clothes on that scene is so tragic when they're trying to get them out of there and he refuses to leave because he hasn't finished fully dressing and he's like slowly putting on his suspenders that is both I agree sad because of like
[01:17:10] what a poor character but also can you imagine trying to coach an orangutan to put on some showers like oh come on buddy just gotta oh come on slow struggle with it yes so then they have to escape through some back channels there's a thing with the kid
[01:17:28] from the earlier thing a funny elevator joke a funny elevator joke funny we love elevator antics it's good humor because the door's open and the animals are in there but no one's looking except then the door is closed before anyone looks and then somehow
[01:17:44] everyone's at a big gala they gotta come face to face with high society the whole movie has been leading up to the ultimate showdown like the Avengers facing Thanos yeah the cast of the pig in the city has to come up against the blue bloods
[01:18:00] well I think Miller is like I've built this city environment I built this city on rock and roll babe is here and he now needs to understand who the real villain is which is the rich right like you know who's been pitting the poor animals
[01:18:14] against each other and creating all you know like you know having narks at the airport and flop houses that you know generate all this kind of bad blood it's the rich and here they are in all of their evil glory but also to that point though
[01:18:30] none of them seem all that bad well right, so they gotta be ready to G the chefs seem worse than the rich people most of the rich people are just like what's happening meanwhile for some reason the kitchen staff is trying to kill all these animals
[01:18:44] like it defies all like animal rules or just like I've never seen anything where someone's just like I'm going to take this animal now that makes sense for the kitchen staff they're good business people they see a free pig and they just taken its mind now okay
[01:19:04] that one that's a logic point that don't work for me that's ensues what feels like a 45 minute scene of I would say not movie confusing bedlam but legitimately confusing bedlam where at any moment can't tell you where anyone is it is beyond thunder though
[01:19:26] this is around the time when she gets elevated off the chandelier with the suspenders and her bloomers in flight I don't because the tag like a tag that we've only seen in like the corner bottom frame of some shot gets pulled as if we're supposed to be like
[01:19:46] oh no that was the red button but they never addressed that it was around so she bounces around the room trying to get that pig and you think that if you said hey oh you'll get this pig out of here yes please take it
[01:20:02] yeah we don't like this pig this pig disrupted our party we don't want this pig to be here yes please do remove this pig I shouldn't talk about the way this movie ends because I will be so angry do one of you want to talk about the
[01:20:18] the day of sex mocking sure Lynn Leedy sells a hotel she saves the phone he's feeling great says that'll do, pig that'll do James Cromwell is handed a check for 1 million dollars and he promptly caches it I don't know you skipped apart which is that
[01:20:40] the hotel becomes a nightclub to stick it to the opera loving people across the street and the takeaway that's my theory this is my theory as to what happens George Miller turns in the street and he's like boom nailed it if I can kill it
[01:21:00] and they're like hey George just kind of ends with her getting the pig back and he's like yep and they're like hey George in the beginning you set up the farms in trouble and he goes oh shit give me that script back real quick
[01:21:14] they rent out the hotel and all of the animals live on the farm yes except the wheelie dog continues to drag like bite trucks and be dragged by them which is a fun act the country life was too slow for him right the pit bull gets with
[01:21:32] the pink hair poodle and they have pit bull puppies with pink hair wigs but to talk about how sort of foreboding everything is in this film oh here's the happy end montage where we explain what happened to all your favorite animal friends look fleetik found trucks he still
[01:21:52] zoom in oh look the chimpanzees became naturalists they're now naked living in a tree they love it it suits them just fine and the pit bull and the pink poodle eventually got together it didn't last like immediately and the nice wrap up they just go
[01:22:10] eventually left him for some fancier dog he's now a single father he is single father to five pit bulls with pink pompadours and also the Thelonious is busy talented mr. Ripley in Cromwell soon I will be the husband he is going to murder mr. Hagen
[01:22:30] that feels like it would have been the third film I do love frame 3 baby frames for murder it ending with the same final line especially when that final line is such a slam dunk like if you talk about babe as you said whether or not you've seen
[01:22:46] the movie babe people know that'll do pig and I think they know that shot and as great as James Cromwell is that is such an unlikely Oscar nomination that it really is that line reading that gets him a nomination I don't think it pushes it over the edge
[01:23:00] because he barely has any dialogue in that film it's mostly a silent performance so then to repeat the same final line delivered by the same character who is barely a presence in this movie makes it weirdly like like farmer hog it is like the Charlie to babes angels
[01:23:18] and at the end of every mission he's like another mission successfully accomplished baby that'll do pig that'll do I would also point out babe doesn't do shit so you think of you as like that'll do pig then someone you're probably like what did he do
[01:23:34] he didn't win he said he saves a dog you change some minds went to the city did shit in the city yeah from the city so that producer pig that's what I say he made shit happen he didn't see any of that what he saw was the
[01:23:50] facilitator he's a big picture guy but no one saw him walking around the city from there it was probably all over the news though this was all over the news oh babe saves dog folks line up to feed him jelly beans pig when
[01:24:08] I asked really projected and saw you save that dog's life I was very proud that'll do big that'll do he's very proud yeah no he's proud that's what's weird about it jokes aside is that what he's saying that'll do pig about at the end is
[01:24:22] that finally the water pump worked the central conflict of this movie the faulty water pump that almost led to mr. hoggett's death now for nightmarish days in the city later is finally working well enough to spew some brown water into the bathtub in the middle of a farmhouse
[01:24:42] which he has to say that'll do pig that pump is a death trap yes absolutely got a thousand moving parts all of them easily yeah it looks normal just like this movie it's very heavy yes it's it looks like it could any part of it
[01:25:00] could basically chop your fingers off it's like a steampunk pump yes this movie is a little steampunky steampunky let me read some other insane lines of dialogue in this movie bob the chimpanzee at one point says it's all illusory it's ill and it's for losers
[01:25:18] yeah that's a good line but like doesn't that sound like mad max dialogue like doesn't that sound like something nukes would say or whatever yes right you have to accept this movie on mad max terms that it's like sound and movement and energy and it's all just like
[01:25:36] representational of how awful life feels yeah like the apocalypse it feels like we're constantly on the brink of because George Miller is first and foremost an apocalyptic filmmaker and in babe a franchise that is not apocalyptic he's saying like well the city
[01:25:52] would feel like an apocalypse to a farm animal yes here's another incredibly dire line I mean this one is less florid but just like bleak when ferdinand finally arrives because ferdinand is like the one classic animal friend from the farm in the first movie who follows
[01:26:08] babe but it takes him a long time to get there his wings aren't strong enough a fucking pelican has to capture him and fly him over in his mouth so he finally joins the crew late and he says to babe face it you're just a little pig in
[01:26:26] the big city what can you possibly do what can anyone do why even try wow before you made me think of something else I wanted to point out that I really love is we are introduced to the to be from an animal perspective
[01:26:42] the toughness of the city when the cabbage and monkey steals hog hog gets a suitcase yeah and when when the babe goes to get it this is when he encounters the monkeys and this is where the monkeys are like I don't know what to tell you
[01:26:56] kid the world's hard and I want to go into that scene and if it was like people and like I don't know what to tell you like you stole my it's right there the world's not that hard you created this problem and you could easily solve it
[01:27:08] I don't know what to tell you kid life will chew you up and spit you out I mean not really that's my suitcase right there there's no confusion here still no but it's that classic game of being like that suitcase there I mean that's his
[01:27:18] now I mean he's loving it he's doing his day job but that is not indicative of the city will chew you up and spit you out so much as yeah we're kind of shitheads in this specific room right now for sure but every animal
[01:27:28] in this film every city animal in this film is just broken it has just dead inside I mean the poodle says here's another incredibly bleak line the poodle says please please I know you're different from the others those that have had their way
[01:27:42] with me make their empty promises but they're all lies lies and I'm afraid and terribly terribly tired Jesus and when babe says straight out of streetcar named desire yes when babe says where's your human she says my humans belong to someone else now someone younger and prettier
[01:28:02] like this is a city that has been so unkind to every citizen oh boy it's a wild fucking movie and you have to accept in its own terms or not she's not you reject it much like the city tries to reject babe
[01:28:20] don't you make me into the city griffin newman I'm gonna make you the city well I guess you could argue that this movie is kind of in the tradition of horror movies and that it's like the characters in the city leprechaun in the city Jason takes manhattan
[01:28:44] Reagan and nightmare landscape and this is true it's true it's like we all know and I'm like yeah of course I love that guy and it's like but what have you went to the city next babe in space babe in space to be fun
[01:28:58] fuck I'd watch the hell out of babe here's what it is cause it's like we sent a dog we sent a chimp pig I'm just saying maybe babe accidentally gets sent up in space it's the Russian American British space race I can hear the record scratch now
[01:29:18] a pig it would end with babe parachuting back to earth and splash landing and then he's retrieved by the US military and then farmer hogget says that'll do pig that'll do yeah every movie would always have to end that way like if babe defeated hitler
[01:29:36] like that would be the ending farmer hogget this film establishes that farmer hogget is eventually the M to big babe James Bond and at the end of every film he checks in and it's like another mission perfectly carried out by agent babe
[01:29:52] as babe makes love to another Bond girl yes this is exactly what happens in every babe movie yeah could babe get a girlfriend have they ever thought of reviving babe like is the babe franchise fully dormant is that the is it like you know
[01:30:08] no cartoon spin off or whatever yeah I mean I feel like they had big ambitions at this point in time and they died quickly with this movie I also imagine because it's usually how he operates that George Miller retains a lot of the rights yeah yeah
[01:30:28] so maybe even though it's a universal film I think he's holding on to it and won't let anyone run with it outside well let's play the box office game if we're gonna talk about that because this film cost 90 million dollars and made 18 domestic huge right it made
[01:30:46] it made 69 worldwide so couldn't even cover its own budget worldwide nice David that's the sex number yeah you're right you're absolutely right that'll do Travis that's the number for sex you're right um and it came out unlike babe which came out in like a sleepy
[01:31:04] august weekend came out on Thanksgiving right like babe was a classic end of summer dump becomes a sleeper hit and an Oscar phenomenon this was like it's a holiday blockbuster right and it is the highest grossing move new movie of that Thanksgiving weekend but it's
[01:31:22] opening at number five eight million dollars yeah that's terrible and uh some other new movies that are opening below a home prize oh very bad things oh a movie that the Jerry's gave me nightmares having never seen it I just knew in the trailer
[01:31:40] that they accidentally killed someone and very bad things and like that to me I was 15 in 1998 and that to me was my greatest fear at the time and continued to be my greatest fear until present is accidentally killing someone which movie has a bleaker view of society
[01:31:58] babe pig in the city or very bad thing babe pig in the city yeah the Jerry Springer vehicle ring mass like a bonds away weekend like all of these movies are bombing in my memory that movie is like he's sort of playing himself correct not really yes okay
[01:32:24] so it's a kid movie friendly weekend these are mostly the top five are mostly kid movies can you tell me what's number one Griffin a bug's life that's right is number two the Rugrats movie that is correct wow that's insane yeah I remember this
[01:32:44] this was a huge huge fall for family films the Rugrats movie an insane stat I will never stop mentioning the Rugrats movie is the first non-Disney animated film to make a hundred million dollars oh wow right snuck over a hundred that's right until 1998
[01:33:02] no film not made by Disney had surpassed a hundred animated film a bug's life is in its second weekend because it opened limited on one screen and it makes 33 million dollars and the Rugrats movie number two was number one the week before and it has made 57 million dollars
[01:33:22] I have seen both of these films but not in years two masterpieces I will say it is weird that the Rugrats movie was enjoyed by children at the time because I rewatched that film recently in self quarantine and that film is just about as nightmarish as this movie
[01:33:40] you you rewatched the Rugrats movie I did like in the last couple weeks okay we are recording this in the midst of the pandemic I felt like I needed to unwind with the Rugrats movie and that film for those who don't remember is about a bunch of
[01:33:56] it's the opposite of Bay Pig in the city it's babies trapped in the woods they are lost and there is a a train a Russian circus train that gets derailed and all the monkeys escape and the monkeys are chasing them in the woods and the babies
[01:34:16] are trying to find for their own lives I have no memory of any of that the only thing I remember is that the pickles family has another kid and they call him Dill which I think is funny don't you have a thing for the dad yes David thinks
[01:34:30] Stu Pickles is hot you think Stu Pickles is hot Stu Pickles isn't it's not like I think that I just know knowledge I know it's true Stu Pickles younger brother is way hotter than Stu oh that's a weird take you don't think so because Angelica's mom
[01:34:48] is where it's at right we can all agree I mean she's a snack she's an absolute snack yeah right listen I don't want to objectify anyone I'm just saying that Angelica's mom is good looking agreed the world-class movie is fucking insane
[01:35:04] I'm sending an image to you all right now I don't trust this at all what is this gonna be David you shut up oh god damn it come on wait a second open image in town I'll wait for you Stu while we're waiting for this to load
[01:35:22] can I guess the number 3 movie at the box office yes you definitely can no hints because I want to see how many of these I can get without any hints okay is number 3 enemy of the state yes Jesus Christ my god so babe is number 5 babe is number 5
[01:35:44] number 4 no hints no hints number 4 we have Rugrats we have a Bugs life we have enemy of the state it's Thanksgiving weekend it's another holdover from November 1998 it's not opening because babe is the biggest new release it wouldn't be another animated film fucking I need a hint
[01:36:16] it's a sort of a comedy for teenagers with a major star it's a comedy for teenagers with a major star is it a high school comedy hmm is this set at high school or is it college it's a sports comedy it's a sports comedy a 1998 teen sports comedy
[01:36:42] no it's a college it's set in college it's a college college sports comedy in 1998 well it's not the college drama of R.C.T. Blues which also came out in 1998 college is kind of a a mislead there like I wouldn't put too much stock in college
[01:37:04] I wouldn't be thinking about the college if I was thinking about this movie sports is a little more helpful and is it a main is it a major sport yeah it's a major sport very much so is it a basketball movie incorrect is it a football movie yes
[01:37:28] it's a football comedy from 1998 the same year as varsity blues starring a major star for teens little bit of a major comedy star major comedy comedy star this is kind of his a no fucking around huge star movie is it waterboy? oh of course
[01:37:56] I mean it is a college football movie it's just not really what you would think about it yeah I should have gotten that and like the most dominant hit of that November right even though what is the plot of the waterboy well thank you for asking David so
[01:38:12] Bobby Boudin is going to school and he wants to play football I can't remember he's good at giving people water it's based on a sketch daughters yeah it's based off a Kervana gift book right I rewatched this film also recently
[01:38:32] in self quarantine I've been going through the early sandlers the plot of the fucking waterboy is Bobby Boucher is a slow man who works as the waterboy for a college that he does not attend and it's based off of a sketch from canteen boy
[01:38:50] which was on saturday night live yeah it's that character in terms of voice and physicality transposed into an entirely different set of circumstances and he has a crazy religious mother right with academy award winner Kathy Bates and he channels his rage to become a good
[01:39:08] wrestler essentially the guys on the football team are making fun of him so much that he tackles one of them and then the new coach who is Henry Winkler goes wow you should be playing football for us yeah but his mom hates football so
[01:39:24] he has to pretend that he's not playing football yeah and here's a really funny thing they keep calling it foosball and it's really funny it's really devil yeah it is I think it's pretty good it is very bizarre that that is the movie
[01:39:40] that made Adam Sandler break through right this is it yes it opens to 40 million dollars he's like he's the star now he's the guy who could do anything he wants the movie before that which comes out this same year as the wedding singer which is like
[01:39:56] okay finally Adam Sandler has played a real human being not as angry as happy Gilmore he's not as much of a child as Billy Madison he's playing a legitimate romantic leading man he's got good chemistry of Drew Barry Moore it's a decent hit
[01:40:10] and then the water boy comes out he's like good job of football and people lock everyone loses their fucking minds he gets elected president of the united states America is like one of these per year indefinitely thank you but only one of those has
[01:40:26] been turned in to a Broadway musical correct the water boy correct the water boy it is weird he really only does three movies where he plays like a big character with like a voice and a weird look it's like a little nicky water boy and zoe yeah
[01:40:48] and most times I roll that a bet I'm in this movie hey yeah I guess I got like shorts on oh yeah it's true this is my little control of the stuff yeah I'm in a movie buddy oh god we gotta do some sandler movie we gotta
[01:41:06] do a Chris Columbus so we can do pixels oh shit if you guys do pixels I want to come back I've never watched it and I've just been waiting for the opportunity David Lawrence's Pixel it's a good movie about America's infrastructure failing to come together
[01:41:22] in a time of desperate need all I know is that within it Josh Gad has sex with Cuba that's all he does fuck Cuba that's all I know about the whole movie and Cuba has babies do they show it the babies they show us a whole bit
[01:41:40] yeah it's in T17 and while it's happening Josh Gad turns to the camera and says I'm the voice of Olaf while it's happening which is crazy and Brian Cox plays the secretary defense this is a great movie and Peter Dinklage plays Billy Mitchell from the king of Kong
[01:41:58] right? he's like styled the exact same way clearly doing an impression of that guy David sent over a picture of Stu Pickles so I'm looking at Stu Pickles in one window and then I'm looking at our grid on zoom our four feeds in the other window
[01:42:14] Stu Pickles looks like Travis and David combined yeah cause it's like purple hair plus bags under the eyes tired yes this is the image that you chose to be like look how fucking hot this dude is yes it tells you so much about David's taste
[01:42:34] I think you find Stu Pickles hot because in the same way that when you saw Joe Bowen's artwork that he did for our podcast you were like oh man he made me look hot and both faces are exactly the same the Stu Pickles photo you posted
[01:42:50] is just eyebrows raised mild frown under eyes half closed looking kind of whistful broken man this is a broken man and you look at this this looks like Stu after DD had left him and he had to care for Tommy and Dill on his own
[01:43:08] and he's just sick of them asking where's mommy just sadly stirring a pan on the stovetop and you look at this and you go like that guy's hot yeah I stay in a tie tie boy Ben like that I see you laughing I did like it
[01:43:28] so we're at the end of the episode right well yeah I want to do a very brief merchandise spotlight love that do you need just a moment to get it ready because I want to show someone very special oh get this ready while I'm doing the other thing
[01:43:44] I just want to say shout out to my cat pig that'll do pig pig in the city a true pig in the city we stand a true pig in the city yeah exactly this is a phenomenon I find really fascinating and it seemed to be something
[01:44:02] kind of exclusive to like second generation early 2000s consoles do you know there is a babe video game that was released for PlayStation 2 in 2006 I do I only know it I only know it because I saw it on noted on wikipedia or something like that
[01:44:24] and I looked it up out of interest and it looks like this game was made for the Game Boy Color in 1995 it does not look like a PlayStation 2 game it's like an isometric you know pixelated yes it looks like a Game Boy Color game that was
[01:44:42] developed probably when Pig in the City was going to be released and somehow got delayed an additional 8 years and came out on a major next gen console yeah it has kind of like SimCity graphics right it's like a SimCity 1 like to be clear yes correct
[01:45:04] and it does seem to feature the characters that babe Pig in the city it covers both it covers both the farm and the city 50 challenging puzzles in 6 levels and apparently it is universally reviled oh what really I can't wow I would have I thought okay
[01:45:28] I'm watching some gameplay right now and I just want to tell you guys that the dialogue in the video game like the text bubbles are in comic sans oh wow blue comic sans a nice regular blue basically this game looks like clip art I just sent a photo
[01:45:48] Travis and Ben you can look at it but yes it looks like clip art the photo I sent is from the level where they're trying to escape the lab oh boy and you can see fleetic and babe in a grid seemingly a counter for
[01:46:06] how many keys you have to collect and how much time is left on the clock it looks like one of the worst games ever produced I don't understand this thing like the babe video game coming out in 2006 there's the blues brothers 2064 game which came out in like 2001
[01:46:24] there was this weird wave of video games coming out many years after a movie flopped people might forget that blues brothers 2000 came out in 1998 yes correct we had to get ready for it you know like the 2k it's a future proofed movie great
[01:46:48] and you know what let's be honest timeless they could have called it blues brothers 3000 yes well come on Travis we have to leave some room for the next oh you're right let's wrap this up Travis thank you so much for being on the show
[01:47:02] thank you for having me it's a dream country I just really wanted to be the last macro brother on the show it means so much to me to be your last choice thank you guys not true not true okay well let's
[01:47:16] check the record did you have you had Justin on correct and you've had Griffin on correct and so then me I was the third and last one you were the third and last yeah saved the mess for last but not the last not the last choice
[01:47:32] we were saving you know they knew much I will say I was very excited because I remember you saying like what what George Miller would you want to do and I looked at the list yeah I'm gonna talk you didn't hesitate we give you
[01:47:44] first crack I will say also no spoilers but I have an extensive text read with your father Clint McElroy oh yeah so the set is not complete just because we've gotten all three brothers the set is not complete we will find a movie for for Clint
[01:48:00] to do wins March Madness which will be known at this point but he has put in his name for a couple potential movies once we know what we're doing in the future we will have something locked down get that boy he's great
[01:48:14] yeah but thank you for having me it really is a joy I love this podcast that's you're the kindest you've been such a good friend to the show yeah we're we saved you as a guest for this long but you have been such a strong
[01:48:26] champion of the show and and we really appreciate it and also just a good friend thank you I love you guys you guys you guys gave me now I'm able to talk about the worst bad movie I've ever seen not fun in any way is the movie aloha
[01:48:42] and you guys inflicted that on me that there was no that I believe there is no redeeming factor to the film aloha that it is not like people I because I love bad movies but it is like this is no
[01:48:56] fun to watch there is no fun to be had in watching the movie it's the only movie I've had to watch in ten minute chunks because I could not say more than that so check out Elizabeth town oh I don't know I feel like that was
[01:49:10] pretty early on into you listening to the show and you were tweeting about it and and we were very persistent in the fact that you had to stick with aloha because you were like tweeting 10 minutes and should I give up on this I kept I kept calling
[01:49:24] my brother Justin who had gotten me into blank check and I was like yeah he's like you have you have to do it this is a big satellite if you can watch all of aloha you are true blankie and I was like okay I will do
[01:49:36] it I don't got it it's also one of those movies you need to see for yourself because if you gave up on it 10 minutes in you would not believe that we were being honest with our descriptions of the film absolutely
[01:49:48] because that's the thing is I tried to describe the film aloha to other people and they're like well that sounds fun I'm like no no you are wrong there is no way that I can explain to you how bad it is because
[01:49:58] when I describe how bad it is you're like that sounds funny bad no Bradley Cooper has a reattached toe they destroy a satellite with the history of media no we can't we can't it hurts so much well tune in next week for our second episode on aloha
[01:50:16] we're doing a fifth anniversary of our aloha episode because of aloha to aloha yeah yes exactly it's time to say both and Travis people should listen to the whole McRoy family a podcast you can find it at McRoy.family that's where all of our stuff is McRoy M-C-E-L-R-O-Y
[01:50:36] .family and what do you folks know when the adventure zone animated series will be coming out or does the state of the world throw everything in the question it's almost like everything's uncertain forever now well I'm excited to see that whenever it happens whenever society resumes
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[01:51:16] for some real nerdy shit tune in next week for of course the logical follow up to Bay Pig in the City Happy Feet George Miller refuses to give up on children's films and somehow inexplicably makes one that everyone loves at the time it makes a big hit
[01:51:36] that wins him a fucking Oscar what a weird goddamn career and as always that'll do pig