[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check
[00:00:31] So he lays this podcast on me. He says, this podcast will tell me the outcome of every sporting event till the end of the century. All I have to do is bet on the winner and I'll never lose. So I say, what's the catch? He says, no catch. Just keep it a secret. After that, he disappeared. I never saw him again.
[00:00:47] Oh, and he told me one more thing. He said some day some crazy wild-eyed kid and a six foot one man who grew up in England might show up asking about that podcast. And if that ever happens, funny. I never thought it'd be Blank Check
[00:01:07] Griffin, I am 6'3", I just want to say God damn it I just want to make that clear Wait, did he say 6'2'? He said I was 6'1", which is fine. I'm not worried about my height
[00:01:19] Why do men care so much about the inches and a height? Yes, I don't care. Look, I feel like there's an insinuation there and I appreciate, I understand where you're...
[00:01:29] No, no, I'm not insinuating anything. I truly don't understand why men are like, no, I'm not 7'11", I'm 6'5", 6'4".
[00:01:39] I don't get it. Here's the other thing, I like, I think I'm 6'3", when's the last time I got measured by height? Like probably when I was like 16 years old. Yeah, thank you. You don't get physicals every year?
[00:01:51] I do not, I mean, I guess I like go to the doctor. I just feel like they never measure my... They measure you. Alright, well maybe they do and I'm still 6'3". No they do, they measure you.
[00:02:01] He's too tall, the doctor can't reach the top of his head. He's too tall, they just shrug and give up. Also, with my future self... You're 6'3", I said 6'1". You said 6'1", I'm 6'3". It's fine, I don't care.
[00:02:12] Sorry. Do you have a ruler right now? I genuinely don't care. Yes you do, we've been talking about it for two minutes. Do you have like a measuring tape? Yeah. I mean, I do somewhere. Do you know if it's easily accessible? Tape yourself, tape yourself quickly.
[00:02:26] Cause we can end this right here right now. We can settle this. Nicole, I'm so happy we're doing this. What were you about to say about your future self? Oh it's so readily available.
[00:02:41] If my future self told me I had to listen to a podcast to get rich, I wouldn't do it. I don't listen to podcasts, I find them mind-numbing because it's a conversation that I'm not part of. You just want to be a guest on everything.
[00:02:58] But my very approximate solo measure puts me at 6'2". So I don't know where that leads us. Oh, probably 6'1". Oh interesting. Actually probably 6'1". Maybe I had it right the first time. But here's the thing as well. I'm probably like 5'11". Cause I slouch so much.
[00:03:15] And the doctor is the one making you stand up straight against the wall. I'm not 6'3". I don't present as 6'3". See David, now I'm worried that you're 6'3". Slouching.
[00:03:26] And the next time you go to the doctor you're going to stand up straight and turn out to be 6'8". All I know is they made me play basketball when I was a little kid cause I was so tall. Who's they?
[00:03:34] And I was so bad at it. Like my parents, I don't know, gym teachers. I was like, well you're so tall. You'll be good at this. And I don't have any high hand-eye coordination.
[00:03:45] And I much like Michael J. Fox will look like a tiny boy for the entirety of my life. But that's good. You look great. I mean, I think in certain ways. Cause you're also aging well so you don't look like an old baby.
[00:03:57] You just look like a sprat young man. Nicole, I feel like I'm heading towards old baby. I do. I look in the mirror and I get worried about being a wrinkled Benjamin Button baby in 5 years.
[00:04:07] But yeah, I think you'll have to actually you might not ever have to worry about it. Like look at Leslie Jordan. He just looks like a cute little old man, not an old baby. And he's very tiny. That's a dream. I hope I end up like this.
[00:04:21] Leslie Jordan is just going to cash those cute old man checks for another what 30 years. He's so cute. I love him so much. He's very adorable. I think it's really important to be able to see a baby Yoda.
[00:04:36] And what I do now want to see is like a variety special hosted by Leslie Jordan Baby Yoda. Like I want to see a baby Yoda Leslie Jordan double act doing like skits and songs and dances. Right.
[00:04:50] I can kind of get into it, but like, I don't know how I feel about baby Yoda in a variety special. I think we were on a podcast together. We talked baby Yoda. Yes, I have not watched any more episodes. We talked Barry. Right.
[00:05:05] But yeah, he could get sort of David Pumpkin. So you've only seen those first three. Right. You tapped out of three. Yeah. But I have a counterpoint, Nicole. Your favorite Star Wars movie is the Star Wars holiday special. Oh my God, it's so good. I love it.
[00:05:20] I've seen it twice now. Right. So that's what I'm pitching. I'm like a Leslie Jordan baby Yoda Christmas. I'm picturing that kind of tone. Okay, you know, I'm on board now. I wasn't on board, but now I am. And they're like pen and teller.
[00:05:35] Like baby Yoda still remains a silent act. You know, we're not going to have him speaking yapping about Leslie Jordan's doing all the talking. And baby Yoda is just there giving you giving you energy, picking up objects, drinking tea.
[00:05:47] But I worry because Casey Musgraves or Musgroves or Mus-something. He was a country singer. She had a Christmas special and it was not okay. It was not for me. Why is it not okay? It was like bad. What was the problem?
[00:06:04] I don't want to say it's bad because like several people were involved, maybe hundreds. I don't know. A lot of people tried really hard to make it good, but like I watched it and I was like, I don't know, I don't know if anyone tried hard enough.
[00:06:14] It was just like weird and strange. And the line reads were insane. The director must have been napping the whole time. I don't, it was just so, you have to watch it. I don't want to be rude, but it was not for me.
[00:06:28] I'm seeing that James Corden swung by. He did. I'm looking at the guest list here. Kendall Jenner was there. Yeah, who knows why. Lana Del Rey? Wow. Yeah, it was like a lot of people, but then it wasn't very cohesive. Some of the sets were really cute.
[00:06:46] I don't know. I just think it was a real mess. I sound like a bitch. I have two questions. Hell yeah, dude. Question number one is I wonder if these things just need to be on network television.
[00:06:58] Like if it to some degree a holiday special needs to have copious network. Yeah, maybe. You know? Maybe. Two, did they get Valanche in the writer's room? Like that might be the whole problem right there. That he's involved or that he's not involved? That he's not involved.
[00:07:15] If you're making a Christmas special, you gotta get this. Great. And I don't think he was involved. I don't think he was. No, I don't know what Valanche is doing these days. Can you introduce our show? Yes, get him in a room with baby Yoda and Leslie Jordan.
[00:07:26] Thus concludes our section. Do a Christmas special Leslie Jordan baby Yoda. Hello everybody and welcome to blank check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David and this is the podcast old Biff warned you about it's a podcast about
[00:07:39] filmography directors of massive success early on in their career are giving a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby. And this is a mini series on the films of Robert Zemeckis.
[00:07:55] It's called podcast away. And today we are talking about back to the future to which is one of his first big check cashings. Sure, one could say right? I mean, Roger Rabbit is doing the like right, but he was like that's that's
[00:08:14] a blank check where he did something so wild and ambitious that there was a big chance that he could have failed and really embarrassed himself in the process. This movie is him playing with house money like going back and saying I'm
[00:08:27] going to do back to the future too. He could do whatever the fuck you wanted. Nicole, you specifically pick this movie right when we were asking you to come on. Yeah, this is like this is your back to the future movie. This is yours. The Mecca smooth.
[00:08:44] Well, back to the future one is my Zemeckis movie. Well sure. But I enjoy back to the future too. Okay. And I don't love back to the future three. But if it's on TV, I will not turn it off. Okay. So all three really check the box.
[00:08:59] It's like yeah, the first one though really I truly love. I've seen it hundreds of times. Agree. Well, our guest today is Nicole Byer. Recent Emmy not winner. Hell yeah dude. But I didn't realize this. You hosted all four nights of the creative arts Emmys. Sure did.
[00:09:20] Which was my first indication that I was not going to win the Emmy. Oh you think they're like they know like okay well there's not going to be an awkward moment where the host wins. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. I'll take your money as opposed to a statue.
[00:09:37] But I was like pestering you all of last week to try to get a record time down because of our stupid podcast having this very set schedule of the order we need to do episodes in.
[00:09:47] And then I realized only after the fact oh I was pestering you while you were hosting four successive nights of an award show. It's okay. From home. So I apologize. I apologize for that Nicole. It's okay.
[00:10:01] Honestly I shot it all in one night but then like a lot of productions have started up at the same time. So people want table reads and recording. It's been really wild. Well then thank you. Are you still like how are you yes thank you for doing this.
[00:10:17] Oh yeah. How are you navigating like stuff at home versus stuff that you have to show up and go someplace to do what is your attitude on that because I know a couple weeks ago I was talking with you about that.
[00:10:31] And you were like I'm afraid of outdoors and other people. I was afraid of outdoors and people but now you better let me do a voice over at a studio. I don't want you dropping off shit at my house because I have to set up
[00:10:44] and then shove back in a suitcase and I don't know how to do that and then the Wi-Fi connection is not great and then the zoom clunks out. No send me to the studio where there's nobody else there or maybe like one other person where everything's wiped down.
[00:10:58] I bring my own little hand sanny. I like that when there's like a lot of people that gets scary like I've been doing a lot of COVID tests at the lot and that's a little frightening because there's a ton of people there but like everyone's
[00:11:11] scared of each other. Sure so everyone's just. So it's kind of insane. You like eyes get wide when you get too close and you're like we're not in the same production. It's a it's a wild time to be alive.
[00:11:22] The voice over stuff I love because you're in like a plexiglass Hannibal Lecter cage. Like you feel even safer in some ways than you do at home. But the second I'm in a room with another person I start to freak out. Yeah. It's all fair.
[00:11:38] So back to the future a big franchise for you. It's one of my ultimate franchises Nicole. David was saying when we recorded our Back to the Future episode and I was very much on one talking about how perfect
[00:11:49] that movie is that like he likes Back to the Future but it's not one of his big franchises. Is one of the movies that was how do you not love the future. I do love it. I just feel like I've seen it whatever four or five times
[00:12:04] versus like I did for some reason it was never in my constant rotation. That's so crazy to me. I think it's a perfect movie deeply flawed but a perfect movie. That's the weird magic of it. You're like this movie's this movie's weird and yet
[00:12:21] everything makes sense and works and feels very satisfying. Lorraine has that exact balance storyline except she's going to dodge sexual assault the whole movie. There's four attempts to assault her in a two hour movie. For children thirsty for her son thirsty for her son on May. Yes.
[00:12:44] And she's thirsty for his yeah it's it's a wild movie but like I wouldn't change a thing. No there was that thing going around Twitter however long ago of like name for perfect movies and Back to the Future is
[00:12:55] such a good example of a movie you can say is perfect but also can criticize deeply but it's just like fundamentally in conversation with itself it works so perfectly. Yeah it really does because you can explain away a lot
[00:13:08] of it like the sexual assaults sure it was the fifties people were poorly behaved right she's got the hots for her son how the fuck is she supposed to know that this little cutie who came to town is her son and he's cute not her fault.
[00:13:21] He's a little cutie and he's got Megawatt charisma yeah and he's got he's got eighties energy he's got like and then he saved her from assaults but then he plans to assault her you know it's a fun movie but then her future husband actually saves her from assault
[00:13:37] yes mm-hmm it is funny at the end of the movie when she's like help help and that redhead is like dragging her away and you're like man she's overreacting as a kid that's what I thought as an adult I was like
[00:13:47] no this is the fourth attempt and she's just like no not again. She's had a horrible week yeah now David David has like Griffin on record said you're trying to turn me into the villain of this show okay go ahead
[00:14:03] no that like you were never very hot on Back to the Future 2 that it was really just the first one for you and I feel like you do Nicole where I'm like the first one is perfect but this like 2 was kind of my
[00:14:15] movie in terms of my excitement hitting it is a wild it's so fun and wild and creative and such a bug nuts approach to making a sequel that I just think as a kid I get so excited watching it because I'm like I can't
[00:14:30] believe they're doing this even though no one is better at the ambition of 2. 2 was very ambitious also as a kid I was like I can't wait for 2015 and then 2015 came we didn't fucking get flying cars no there was no hoverboard
[00:14:47] no magic over to tie my fucking shoelaces mad about it yeah it's also one of those things where like everyone had the checklist I feel like of like run run 2015 against Back to the Future 2015 what don't we have what's failed to come true this sucks
[00:15:07] the future is awful and now I'm like all I want is to go back to 2015 2015 sounds fucking rad we didn't know how good we had it wasn't nice it was a nice year our last year Obama before we got our
[00:15:20] our own Biff Tanner or Tannen as a president right America had a properly set up pandemic task response team yeah you know it's bad but you know what I think things are gonna pick up in October please don't ask me why October because
[00:15:40] my theory doesn't really make sense when I say it out loud wait you think it's just gonna start turning around because I think it's gonna be great I think the back end of this year for everybody's gonna be real nice I mean I love that
[00:15:58] theory I'm actually kind of all in that they're like what else am I gonna do think it's gonna be worse like what's that for me start thinking good thoughts for October and it's gonna happen we have to have magical thinking right I think
[00:16:12] that's a book I read sure Joan Didion right yes back to the future David yes oh no no yes go ahead I mean I know I want to hear because I don't want to make you into too much
[00:16:30] of a heel I don't want to present you too much as the biff I want to hear your because I like this movie I remember when I was watching it again have not seen it that many times I still see it a few times I remember once
[00:16:41] being at a sleepover where we watched it twice ooh I think that's a nice sleepover I know I think we watch it twice because like it was kind of fun the second time we must have been 10 or 11 years old like to puzzle it out better you know
[00:16:57] what I mean like the first time it's sort of overwhelming the second time you can better see how it all fits together I remember that I remember being very upset that biff just I was very upset by biff but if really like disturbed me when I
[00:17:13] was a kid yeah he's bad he is bad really bad no good and he yeah sure he disturbs me now but now I kind of appreciate that like I love that performance I think Thomas Wilson's really funny in this movie like he's
[00:17:26] kind of the okay he's kind of MVP of this one for me is that a wild opinion that's not a wild opinion right no I think I think he is yeah I don't know wild opinion you think that's a lot that fully wild opinion because I like I
[00:17:38] think it's not okay good okay because griff what he's doing with griff is weird like you know everyone else is kind of doing like very a griff is griff is a whole new take on I guess he's still aggro he's still aggro but
[00:17:53] he's like weird aggro and I appreciate it I appreciate that performance more than Michael J. Fox's performance as his son yeah I was too dopey I was like what is wrong with you really dopey really dopey I forgot how dopey he was yeah
[00:18:09] and he's like oh dad my sleeves are too long out hello like he's walking down the street like he's never seen a street or people before he's the most clueless kid who's ever lived yeah but I do love I'd love back to
[00:18:25] the future so much and it does have I like that it has that weird kind of heart to it and I like that it has that whole take that you're talking about Nicole where which I went on about in our last episode that like the 50s were
[00:18:38] far seedier and nastier than you know you might remember right like I feel like that's a lot of what that movie is about this movie I think is all you know it's bananas it's a Rube Goldberg machine where all this
[00:18:52] crazy stuff is lining up in all this fun way but I don't know what I'm rooting for in this movie except for them to just unfuck all the mistakes they made right like what what's this movie like you know who am I who am I sort of who
[00:19:06] do I love in this movie are you kidding okay well Marty and Doc well they're great I love those two guys that ever live that's who you're rooting for you're rooting for Marty from 1985 and Doc from 1985 they're great people I think they're super cool but basically they like
[00:19:26] make a crazy mistake they have to fix it and they fix it and it's great it's fun well Marty just makes the mistakes right doc brings him to the future to be like your dopey ass son gets in trouble let's try to like not get this idiot in
[00:19:42] trouble so they do that and then the almanac like that's Marty being a little selfish and showing that he is a flawed hero I would have that fantasy too if I was Marty I sympathize with that I would I would I would I would think
[00:19:55] about going on and on and on about you can't know too much about your future and you know it's not for personal gain it's purely just to be like oh boy we're on safari the gambler though right that's right that's what it comes
[00:20:08] down to I do like to gamble I do like to gamble but you know it's also like slots I don't love slots and more of like I like like poker and craps and you know like table I like the social like weirdness of like casino gambling
[00:20:24] whereas I'm a video slots guy yeah the slots yeah I last time I was in Vegas I was blacked out sitting at a slot machine just like hitting the button and I looked at my friend and I was like that's how they get to just
[00:20:38] keep playing you just keep playing you keep hitting the button and then a man walked by and went you didn't put any money in there's it was on like never left harder it was just like the example mode where like it just kind of goes
[00:20:54] so now I was just hitting the button and I was like please just there's only two ways that story was going to end the best way to gamble right it was either gonna end with you not having put money in or you winning a million
[00:21:05] dollars no can't win anything if you didn't put nothing in that's true see this is my whole thing you asked David in the last episode why do you think this franchise resonated with you so much as a kid yeah because I care about
[00:21:23] back to the future at large beyond just the first movie and I was like thinking about because they didn't have an answer at the time and I think the things that really resonate with me are that it is such a character based franchise most of the other major
[00:21:38] movie franchises are so much about the universe the lore the sort of like alternate reality a lot of the stuff that you cover on newcomers Nicole is like yes franchise is like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings that you've always been somewhat resistant to where
[00:21:54] you're like I don't want to learn a language and a bunch of different species in a different timeline or a different alternate universe or planet or whatever and I'm a dork and I like that stuff but back to the future feels pretty unique to me
[00:22:06] and that it is so much a franchise about these characters and the relationships between them and that it's about the ripple effects of the decisions that they make like all the travels they do all the wild things that happen are so much defined by
[00:22:23] those little decisions you know can I things like Marty buying the Almanac yes so Paul rest you know Paul rest he's a comic he's an actor really fun for us so we were talking about back to the future at this job we were
[00:22:38] doing and he was like I think kids love back to the future because everyone has that fantasy of saving their parents marriage or like making their parents happy and back to the future one and two are definitely about Marty trying to save his family right right that's
[00:22:55] the other thing for me trying to preserve the family yeah and I try to make a happy family right yeah I think that's a great call I think the other fundamental thing this franchise is about is like your relationship to your parents in that
[00:23:10] way and your fear of like in which ways do I want to be like my parents and in which ways do I want to be the opposite it's so much about that like trying to outrun the legacy of your ancestors but also like define a
[00:23:27] future for yourself and I feel like this movie digs into all of that you're asking David what it's about other than like just its fun sort of riffs and puzzle construction but it is so much about as Nicole said like Marty keeps on making these decisions that actively
[00:23:43] make things worse like he comes into this movie cocky because he nailed the first back he did such a great job and he comes back to the present everything's great right everything's perfect right his parents are happy his siblings are happy all that yeah
[00:23:59] and I think a key detail that the movie kind of glosses over is that doc has been gone for who knows how long like he flies off and then he shows up in Marty's parking you know his garage with the future time machine
[00:24:19] but we don't know in doc Brown's life how long he's been traveling around to different times sure he has that suitcase with all the different denominations he knows all about future technology and he seems to have a much stronger sense of the rules
[00:24:33] of time travel and paradox and cause and effect of all this sort of stuff his car takes garbage yeah which right friendly we still don't have that but he just he knows everything like he's able to explain everything going on around him you know I'm not arch in
[00:24:49] this movie doc yeah I guess doc doesn't really have an arc in this movie three is his movie yes three is his movie but I didn't I didn't need it set in the in the while while list I just you're just out on that you don't
[00:25:05] want a west yeah I didn't want a western but then it like that being said I will watch it if it's on TV my favorite part about doc returning is so Jennifer comes Marty's looking at this car that he like fucking loves
[00:25:20] and his parents are like looking at him lovingly in the house and then they turn around and leave and then an old man comes in a crazy car and they fly away with it but their son that's like so funny to perfect and
[00:25:31] they're just in the house like when do they will they notice that Marty's gone but they see the flying car like what only biff what's happening with Crispin Glover and homegirl what's her name Leah Thompson lay at Thompson the best the yeah absolute best biggest
[00:25:49] crush for me when I was a kid biggest movie crush possibly of all time biggest thing to define as a sign early while talking about this movie is the Crispin Glover of it all which has had like so many different stories in terms of what happened but
[00:26:02] he is not in this movie a gale and like Zemeckis have always claimed that he asked for too much money and so they balked and were like well we'll offer him the same amount we're offering Leah Thompson and Tom Wilson rather than the amount we're
[00:26:19] offering Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd which is what he asked for and he'll like break in a couple weeks he'll come back to the negotiating table and agree to do it for the smaller amount and then ever happened Crispin Glover is always contended that that wasn't
[00:26:33] what happened that it was more of like a philosophical thing and he had disagreements with them he said he says he doesn't like the ending of Back to the Future because he doesn't like that them being happy is just them being rich I get that
[00:26:47] it's this yuppie fantasy it's the car it's the book deal it's the nicer house it's all material but also he probably did ask for more it's probably some combo like he probably was pissed off about it but they paid him enough he would have done it because that's
[00:27:01] the you know that's life in Hollywood right like but I believe him that he was like this is corny that I'd all all that I get is to be rich at the end of the movie but it's also like he's a weird
[00:27:12] guy they talk about how hard it was to work with him on the first movie because he just sort of is on a different wavelength I think after the first movie he has the Letterman appearance where he starts kicking shit wait what a reputation he went
[00:27:25] on Letterman and started high kicking what that's wild then he did that movie with a rat Willard he never seen it yes I is anyone I have seen with it was a good yeah it's about a man who loves a rat wait I should see this
[00:27:42] it's about a man it sounds so many rats oh it's so good do you know the Michael Jackson song Ben Nicole Ben I don't know gentlemen Michael Jackson's first solo song I think it's like a battle yeah do you know it to your friend Ben
[00:28:01] then the two of us were no more it's something like that okay well fine when we are looking for like it's like that singing I know it that song is the ballad from a 70s movie called Ben which is a sequel to the
[00:28:23] original Willard that the Crispin Glover Willard is a remake about about a lonely guy who's only friends or rats who he uses to attack people who are mean to him that's wild and it's got this song that gets repurposed all the time because Michael Jackson was such a
[00:28:39] famous artist and people view it as like this big like love ballad and it's a song being sung from a grown man to a rat and then the Crispin Glover remake sort of folds in the two original movies so it has a cover of
[00:28:54] Ben in it that I want to say maybe Crispin Glover sims himself but the movie is also about Ben the rat leading a revolution against Willard because he thinks they're not treating the rats with enough respect so then the rats end up attacking Willard in the last
[00:29:11] third of the movie it rules that honestly sounds truly wild and a real treat and I might watch it absolutely watch it or I just read about I forgot so I just watched him kick Letterman he doesn't kick him in the face but
[00:29:27] he's inches away he basically comes really close to kicking David Letterman in the head stands up and is like I'm strong I can kick and does like a high kick and Letterman is just like alright and gets off gets up and walks off and then they
[00:29:43] cut to commercial so clearly Letterman not into it and then they cut back to Letterman and Crispin Glover is gone and Crispin Glover has never explained this basically right like he's never really accounted for this wow to be a fucking insane person
[00:30:00] right right I wonder one of those people who's just like I like to push boundaries people can't handle what I'm doing what is Crispin Glover's net worth let's find out I can Google also is Crispin his government name I all but certain his father was also a weirdo
[00:30:17] actor who played like a James Bond henchman oh is that right and then became an acting teacher I'm pretty sure his Crispin is his legal birth name because his father was kind of is it his legal birth name his middle name is hell hellion which
[00:30:33] is crazy and hellion Crispin hellion Glover that's a wild man his he married it's a great question he is he's never been married I feel like he's dated a lot of like burlesque models yeah he dated some like penthouse pets of the month
[00:30:53] he lives in the Czech Republic in like a castle honestly the more I'm learning about this man is very funny he's a real dream what a wild man his net worth if you Google it is put at three and a half million dollars which is plenty of money
[00:31:10] but you know yeah I figured he would he would have a little bit more but also who knows absolutely absolutely this is the other wrinkle to that Nicole he's certainly made a lot of money in his career he openly says that when he
[00:31:24] takes big jobs things like the Charlie's Angels movies it is solely to then finance his own films he is directed two movies that have a cast almost entirely made up of mentally handicapped oh okay okay that are like very subversive and transgressive and he like builds his
[00:31:44] own sets and self-finances the movies entirely and then goes around and screens them like with one print reading poetry before and after the screenings I've seen honestly I'm here for it very really like it yeah yeah you're right he's like absolutely a guy who spends
[00:32:01] millions of dollars making his own movie he has dated some stunning women I'm looking at his his 17 bedroom check estate right now how wild it's pretty nice looking I mean for a 17 you know you hear 17 bedroom check estate this is it's what you'd imagine we've got
[00:32:23] some frescoes I'm gonna what's a fresco you know where they just painted a painting right onto the wall like no frame like it's just yeah which is probably a pain in the ass got a fridge full of I've got a fridge full of fresco
[00:32:39] too I'm noticing he loves a photo right I don't think I've had a fresco oh you love the one that it's not fizzy right we learned it is fizzy and people on planes ask for it a lot kind of a fresco or a coke zero fresco
[00:32:57] fresco is like sprite if it tasted more like actual fruit oh interesting that's how I describe it it's a little more natural tasting the thing I want to say though is Zemeckis goes off very quickly starts working on who framed Roger Rabbit which is like a year's
[00:33:14] long project with all the technology they need to develop but Universal wants back to the future too like immediately they go if Fox and Lloyd are on board we're down to do it and Fox and Lloyd go sure and they go great start
[00:33:27] brainstorming back to the future too so from what I gather Bob Gale writes a full draft of Back to the Future 2 by himself without Zemeckis first yeah Zemeckis is on Roger Rabbit he's like well you try something come back to me show me what it is the screenplay
[00:33:43] is only credited to Bob Gale oh fascinating it's it Zemeckis only has a story credit but the big key is they knew they had to do the future at the beginning because of the end of the first movie right originally the premise was
[00:33:56] not going back into the second film the premise was Marty goes back to the 60s because there's another disruption to him and his siblings being born in that it's Lorraine and George in college and Lorraine is like a hippie radical who goes to jail and I think
[00:34:17] George is like maybe pro-military and he has to get his parents to conceive that sounds like that was the original script was it yeah try to get his parents to fuck oh and also that kind of all of that that sounds like what he ends up doing
[00:34:34] with Forrest Gump like that like that's kind of what Forrest Gump is about right like it's about the 60s and hippies and the war is one of the wildest movies that would never get made today if you made it today go to jail you go to jail
[00:34:49] that being said he plays Forrest Gump on the loop during Christmas and I will watch Forrest Gump four times in the row like four times in a row no problem wow wow I love for us and it's a terrible movie yeah I mean we're about to re-
[00:35:06] watch it I have not seen it since I was eight really very curious to see how it plays I truly hit me a hundred times I love Forrest Gump last time I got very drunk on a play and I was watching Forrest Gump and I was like
[00:35:19] three inches from the monitor and I was just like oh Forrest you so silly yeah I love Forrest Gump he is silly he's very silly that's that's that's the script that Gail writes by himself and then they realize a we're not gonna have Crispin
[00:35:33] Glover so they go back to the drawing board in terms of rethinking we have to make it back to the future to that doesn't really revolve around George so they make the leap to it should be about the absence of George like that defines the story and then
[00:35:48] Zemeckis is the one who has the idea and says to Gail like we're in a position that no one has ever been in before which is we can make a sequel where we go back into the first movie that was Zemeckis is big like Clever
[00:36:01] idea and so I want you to write to that which I think is the other main thing this movie is about David it's about sort of like as you said Nicole trying to keep your family together you know these series of decisions you make the ripples they
[00:36:15] have on to everyone around you trying to define your legacy you know live up to your ancestors or outpace them and then find the future you want for yourself but the other thing it's about is the difficulty of making a sequel
[00:36:30] not to get mad here but I feel like this movie is explicitly about the audience expectations for a sequel to a film that everyone loves because it starts out like cashing in the exact thing that was promised to the audience that everyone
[00:36:44] got excited by where we're going we don't need roads holy shit what's this place gonna look like first 30 minutes just fucking balls to the wall future every technology you ever want to see you repeat the classic bits from the first movie it's like the fucking
[00:36:57] second beat of a Herald you do the diner again you do the skateboard chase again like it's just perfect sequel like same thing but different shit so then you get to act to and act to is everything's bad they fucked everything up they tried to
[00:37:13] give you the exact movie you thought you wanted to see and it ruined everything it didn't ruin the future it ruined the status quo the happy ending from last time this is a disaster it's so bleak it's so depressing so then act three
[00:37:27] of the movie is like fuck it we just need to remake the first movie again like we tried doing something different audiences don't want different we have to go back and do the exact same thing all over again and the fact that it's literally
[00:37:40] Marty from like different angles of the same scenes trying to re-orchestrate making things just 10% different while also making sure the scenes largely play out the same is I think explicitly Zemeckis who's a guy who like otherwise didn't do sequels making a movie about the impossible position of
[00:37:59] like what do you do if everyone thinks they know what they want out of your movie if you are kind of handcuffed as a filmmaker into those expectations that's fun I like that yeah I don't know that's a good take
[00:38:13] and so then but then the take on three is like and then three is Zemeckis being like it'd be nice to make a western that's like the opposite of the high stakes stuff you're talking about where he's like we have to make a
[00:38:27] sequel to this movie maybe it was so much of a headache to do to that they were like let's let it breathe let's put it so far away from the first two that like you can't even get back into the first two right
[00:38:38] right I'm about to blow your minds this is what's so wild the only reason three exists is because Zemeckis loves the Wild West and he wanted to make a western right they clearly just shoe horn the back to the future franchise into this genre that he
[00:38:54] likes so he could like play in that sandbox also saw some behind the scenes interview from 1985 with Michael J Fox where they asked him like if you had a time machine for real where would you go and he's like Wild West I love cowboys so I think everyone
[00:39:08] involved just liked western movies and thought it would be fun to do a western movie I mean the Wild West was originally act three of Back to the Future 2 they were one script that was 185 pages right wait really yes I mean that's the wild thing
[00:39:26] right I could see that that was 2015 then they go to then the old movie right 1985 high no they weren't going to go they weren't going to do the old movie it was going to be they have to go back to the Wild West I think in order
[00:39:41] to correct it it was going to be like future hellscape alternate present old West I think I'm really glad they didn't do that in the second movie that would just be too much because the second like Back to the Future 2 is almost too much
[00:39:56] it is almost very old boy yeah but for me it's like just enough yeah I think that's fair I mean it it's like a maximalist movie right but it could not handle anymore Spielberg is the one who said this is too long you can't film
[00:40:13] this if you guys want to make a Wild West movie just make it two films we can shoot them back to back right it was sort of the first modern movie to do that we're Back to the Future one had been so big that they were
[00:40:24] like you can make two the audience is there shoot them at the same time we're all good but that's the other reason why three feel so light because three is essentially three was one third act wretched for an entire yeah three has no stakes like zero
[00:40:39] stakes it's just a fun time three is just like Doc Brown romance movie yes but I don't hate it I like seeing Doc happy right gentlemen six you love these characters you like to see them have fun three is a fun Lloyd showcase
[00:40:55] like that's and that's great for him like it's fun to see but it also griff like what you're talking about makes sense to me but it's also the movie the first movie has such specific stakes and the car can't be used except if you have lightning or nuclear
[00:41:10] right like you can barely use the car right and in the second one it's like okay now we got the car we can do whatever we want so let's take it for a spin car does everything now and it can fly right it can catch
[00:41:22] you it can be part of every set piece and it's kind of like exhausting intentionally like if you really had a freaking flying car that could go back and forth in time forward in time like yeah you would exhaust yourself you probably mess everything up
[00:41:37] it's too much power right like that's kind of what's going on here yeah I mean this is the only one of the three that's like really primarily a time travel move like a movie that is about time travel the first one is a movie where he gets
[00:41:50] stuck in the past in order to tell the story they want to tell which is what if you were the same age as your parents right the third movie is this love story in the old West in which they have to get back to
[00:42:00] the present at the very very end this one is like fuck it we had a huge hit we're going to have whatever budget we want he's like pioneered all these groundbreaking effects with Roger Rabbit so he comes back to the table wanting to show off
[00:42:14] all these new tricks he's learned but it's very much the movie that's like let's just do everything you could do with a flying time traveling car let's just do all the shit which I think is part of the joy is that it's like so fucking
[00:42:26] jam-packed so do you want to talk about some some specific stuff in the movie griff seen by scene is there stuff you want to get into yeah right off the bat they lose the actress Claudia Wells who played Jennifer in the first movie yet her mom
[00:42:41] got sick and she just decided that she didn't want to act she just quit acting she just quit acting she's like quit acting now owns like an Armani store in Los Angeles and does a lot of conventions okay enough but she just went like completely
[00:42:56] off the grid and unlike George where they could write around him write him out reuse footage put someone else in makeup they were like well the end of the first movie is fucking Jennifer getting in the car with Doc Brown and Marty we have to do
[00:43:11] something I do feel like Elizabeth shoes a good actress in general her performance at this is so broad but also the character is so thankless in terms of all Jennifer does in this movie is faint the movie is immediately like can we get rid of her like
[00:43:28] you know like it's just that like let's just knock her out in an alleyway they leave her in the garbage they like throw her in the garbage they just keep putting her like put her in a closet put her on a street corner put him in a dumpster
[00:43:41] she just keeps fainting and they keep leaving her incapacitated in different places which it's not that's their fault for making that series of decisions it's kind of a glooping on a major scale where it's just like how do we not deal with this character
[00:43:58] but there's also the problem of like when you recast it and you have a new actress who looks entirely different has a different energy doesn't they look exactly the same they I never I didn't clock it when I was a really I definitely
[00:44:13] did not realize I didn't know it was a different girl until today when my roommate was like oh that's Elizabeth shoe because we watched the Ventures and babysitting last night and I didn't she was and he was like that's the lady from adventures and babysitting
[00:44:27] I was like oh I didn't know she was in the back to the futures and he's like no just this one and I was like what do you mean he was like she was she replaced the original actress and I was like huh okay
[00:44:36] they look exactly the same I always found it super glaring but she was also like a bigger deal if well because of karate kid karate right yeah and then that your babysitting yeah that's true she is she's a hot property but this is a hot sequel right
[00:44:52] I mean I don't know she's cocktail was the year before I think and she's she's the love interest kind of a movie star on her own right yeah but she's fine but you know it just sucks that they or whatever they just don't
[00:45:06] know what to do with her it feels like they are like ah shit we like wrote that she got in the car like I guess we have to you know like it's only that because they want to have a marty in doc adventure that's
[00:45:18] what they want to have that's you know that's what they want this sequel to be but I bring this up only because it adds the weird layer with the first scene of the movie being a shot for shot remake of the ending of the last movie they
[00:45:32] can't reuse it because they have a different actress so it feels like people have done the side by side compilations it's like them trying to match their line readings almost identically the same shots the same timing but it's all just recreated which the
[00:45:48] whole last third of the movie ends up being and then you go to 2015 was just fucking rules and I said this to you David I feel like this is still like the vision of the future and pop culture that people use as a reference point most
[00:46:03] and in that way Nicole what you were saying of like when 2015 came around people kept on talking about yeah disappointed they were like it was so fixed in people's brains that's the year we're going to have a spikey middle home that anyone can just wear like
[00:46:20] I was ready for I mean I would want it you can do that Ben Nicole by one yeah by one we can wear them together just will be two little spiky helmeted people all that stuff is just so I love his whole look I love
[00:46:35] the fun like you say that they're having Griffin where you go back to the diner you know you have all those kinds of jokes but like I like the differences like Griff is just it's like bullies in the future will be like hyper bullies like it'll just be
[00:46:49] like they'll be like double the bully they'll be like on coke or something you know what I mean like that things are everything in the future is just sort of louder and more colorful and more ridiculous like in good ways and bad like wait what's the Jaws sequel
[00:47:03] like Jaws 19 or what I can't remember the number yeah Jaws 19 it's really really real I think it's the tagline it's really really personal that's right it's the most personal and it's like credit is being directed by Spielberg's son. Oh that's fun. That is funny.
[00:47:21] The shark still looks fake. I do like I mean like talking about Tom Wilson arguably being the MVP of this movie his take on Griff is that he's like a short circuiting cyborg like they're obviously all these things like there's that moment where he grows
[00:47:38] taller but even just the way he speaks and moves his body it's like he's a robot that's been like doused in water where he just keeps on going like McFly I don't know what you're like every year is like but also you have to remember
[00:47:53] that Biff is his dad imagine Biff was your dad you would be fucked up too. Yeah he's fucked up. He's probably glitching because he's been hit so many times. Right right I guess or but no Biff's is great. He's still fucking right right him with a cane.
[00:48:10] So wait Biff's is grandfather so yeah who's his dad. Yeah who did Griff yeah yeah Drift right. Who fucked Biff actually the worst. The worst this is the thing I was arguing I like to David is that two is where they start to like heighten Biff
[00:48:25] into being like a cosmic force. He's like elemental idea that just like right at any point in time there is a Tannen who represents the worst of all humanity. There's always a Tannen. Yeah. Yeah is this the one where they are absolutely like he is Donald Trump
[00:48:45] like or what do they have the Trump concept from the beginning or it's this one where he's a mogul. Yeah yes yeah yeah and it's explicitly like I mean the hair is near identical minus the sideburns and it is I mean it's one of those things I feel
[00:49:02] like Gail and Zemeckis have to talk about this in interviews all the time now but they were like Donald Trump was the example of the grossest kind of person at that point in the late 80s. So we just thought it'd be funniest if like that's the
[00:49:14] kind of tacky billionaire that he would be not ever thinking it was possible that that kind of guy could become president like they stopped themselves at can't be elected to higher office. He's just a rich guy. It's just that strains credibility. There's no way he would be elected.
[00:49:35] It's just so funny that he is our president knowing that everyone has seen this movie. Right. Right. The whole world saw this movie. This is bad. And we're like given to us. We're going to elect it. We want this. They warned us in a very popular
[00:49:50] movie that people like. Yeah. I always talk about too. There's the Sesame Street TV special. It was like the 30th anniversary of Sesame Street or something that was about Donald Trump buying Sesame Street to tear it down and install a new building. And Joe Pesci played
[00:50:07] Donald Trump post Oscar. It's Joe Pesci and the character's name is Ronald Grumb. But they style him exactly like Trump in the suit and the red tie with the wig and the eyebrows. And I'm like in 1992 or whatever you could do a Sesame Street special
[00:50:25] where an Academy Award winner played this guy and everyone accepted that he was the villain that he was a Biff level cosmic evil and then 20 years later. You know it's so wild that like someone so stupid is our president. Whatever. We don't talk about
[00:50:39] it. But like in Hill Valley when it's all shitty the thing that like really got me is when Marty goes to his home, climbs in his window and there's a little black girl in her bed and I was like oh because it's a bad neighborhood.
[00:50:54] The black people now live in his house. I was like can we be a little bit more creative. Just have them be fucking hillbillies. They didn't have to be black. But then I was like well we didn't get any black people in the movie. So I guess I
[00:51:06] should be grateful. Right. The only you got Goldie Wilson. Goldie Wilson is the only black character. But like yes, the transformation of it into a bad neighborhood is pretty lame. The only the only thing is that then the whole city is just ruined.
[00:51:25] Like so I guess it's all bad. What did Biff do? I like that it's dystopian griff to be clear. I enjoy that it's you know ludicrously right hellishly bad. But like what the hell happened? It's just that he like bought up all the property. Is that what
[00:51:43] he did? I think it might be the same thing Trump has done where he's given tax breaks. I guess he's not the president. So I don't. Yeah, I guess he just has this big hotel casino just like sucks up all right. It's in like people wasted
[00:51:59] their money and couldn't pay their mortgages and then their homeless and shooting each other in the streets. I loved the. I don't think it was a chalk outline. It was like a tape outline of bodies on the street. Yes, that made me laugh so hard.
[00:52:12] I was like they left it there. They didn't take it away after they took the bot. They left it. The other thing is when you see when Marty's like outside the Pleasure Palace and there's the video playing of the like the museum, like how did
[00:52:26] Biff become the luckiest man in the world? You see the newspaper headlines of him buying off the government over and over again. There's like the idea that he's the one who bought off enough senators or whatever to get gambling legalized. You see that one of the businesses
[00:52:41] he started was toxic waste disposal. Like it's just that he's this guy who's like reveled in the worst of humanity and has either made money off of doing things that like hurt the people around him or has paid off government officials to legalize the
[00:52:55] bad things he wants to do. So I think it's like yeah, he also dates Marilyn Monroe. And right there's a picture from Marilyn Monroe and then he dates like other beautiful women. Then they're like he settled down with the love of his life. Lorraine.
[00:53:10] I'm like what's in Lorraine's pussy that this man is the richest man in the world and he's dating Marilyn Monroe and he's like not for me. I got to get this lady from the 50s who didn't want me. I'm a I'm a but let's say he's
[00:53:24] in her like what the fuck is there has to be something in her pussy like Donald Trump. Right. We all agree. The whole thing is just his dad not loving him. Like everything is so clearly rooted in wanting his dad's approval. You can see with this type of
[00:53:38] person just being like I never got over the fact that I was punched in the face while trying to sexually assault this woman. Beyond that that also that you know he approaches her in the street as well like that she like loudly rejects
[00:53:51] him and he like right like she totally like humiliates him anytime he's doing his awful like you're going to be my like basically just grabbing her like you say Nicole. Right. Like he's humiliated by Lorraine and by George and for a guy that simplistic it makes sense
[00:54:09] that he just be like cool I will murder George and lock Lorraine into a loveless marriage. It's so weird movie because it doesn't seem like you see him in the hot tub with other women. Obviously he's paid for her to get this breast job but their
[00:54:23] romance like there's no romance left in their marriage. It doesn't even feel like they have a sexual relationship anymore. It literally just feels like he's like a dragon wanting to keep a woman locked in a tower. Yeah. And my favorite part in that
[00:54:36] scene is when Marty comes back and he's like by the vault or whatever and he's talking about how an older man told him about the almanac whatever whatever. And then he was like oh you your car hit the manure truck and he's like how do you know
[00:54:51] about that. He's like my dad told me he's like your dad. He's like before he died he went oh OK that made me laugh so hard because I was like for a hot second did Biff think a dead man told this kid something. It's such a funny story.
[00:55:08] He's in a flying car at this point. Yeah. I also write like when he goes back and then you see Marty like I also had the brain thing of like wait is he like supposed to still somehow be Lorraine's son with Biff like but then no right.
[00:55:23] No yeah because of that. Yeah yeah that's fine. Yeah that's a big part of it. And I also the other thing I like about that moment Nicole is it's like well the the manure thing is really prevalent in Marty's mind because that happened to him
[00:55:40] yesterday right or like three days ago. But the idea that Biff reacts so strongly never got over even though this thing was 30 years ago. Yeah. Like I just like the idea that Biff is still haunted by the five days that Marty McFly was in the 50s
[00:55:55] like getting rejected by Lorraine getting punched by George getting manure dumped on him like his entire life has been like I need to succeed to overcome that in this very Trumpian way. But once again Zemeckis and Gail you're like how was he able to damage society this much.
[00:56:10] They had to argue it was just through his business dealings because their thought was there is no way someone this transparently ugly and borish would ever be elected by a general populace. OK so instead he's just a billionaire with a lot of influence. Here's another question I have.
[00:56:26] A key thing in this movie is that Marty hates being called a chicken. He like goes wild if anyone calls him a chicken and it basically like worse we sort of see like it kind of ruined his life because he like had this hand
[00:56:41] injury right like he hurts himself and he never gets over it. He gets into a car crash and hurts his hand and then crashing the car gives up his music career. He never sends his stuff into the record labels. Right. Is needles needles fucked him up.
[00:56:55] Is that all this is that's all new. Right. Like that's and needles is played by flea. Right. Yes. All of it new needles is new. The chicken stuff is new. I remember watching the chicken stuff is not. No. Kid is it not. That's my quite like it's it's
[00:57:10] not in the first movie. Yes it is. I can't remember the scene but hold on. Let me Google it because I'm pretty sure I watched it. I'm very recent. You know what I know I think it's in the first movie. Now I'm now I'm finding it.
[00:57:27] Well because there is a scene in the diner. It says back to the future part one. It gets Biff calls Biff calls him a chicken. Yes. OK. In that original like diner showdown where you have Crispin Glover and Biff is putting his paws on Lea
[00:57:45] Thompson as she slaps him. And that's when Marty gets in the fight with him. He doesn't react in the same like banana way where he likes just kind of like you know sirens start going off in his head. But yes it is in the first movie.
[00:57:59] That's what I was trying to remember. Thank you Nicole. I couldn't remember if they made it up or like you know but this movie he does. Nobody calls me chicken. Right. The thing I've heard Gale say in interviews is they realized Marty had no internal conflict whatsoever
[00:58:15] because Marty's so busy coolest kid right in the first movie with all the time shit that he doesn't he's barely OK. He's that's how good Michael J Fox is in these movies like Marty's just so inherently lovable like even though right you barely he likes to play
[00:58:28] the guitar. Right. That's about all we know about him. Right. And he hangs out with an old scientist. He loves saying that with an old scientist which I take as like he his dad he wants a dad he wants like a proper dad.
[00:58:44] He wishes his dad was an eccentric lunatic instead of a pathetic put upon man. But yes that Marty is like one of the best movie star performances of all time in the first one because there's almost nothing to play there. He's almost entirely reactive.
[00:59:00] He's just a guy who's pretty good at everything and pretty cool and charming at everything like it shouldn't work. But he's so good at reacting to people comedically and he's just so charming that this one they were like there has to be some like inner conflict within Marty.
[00:59:18] I guess they took the chicken thing which he obviously doesn't react to in such a like nuclear way in the first movie and made it like oh this is his entire Achilles heel is his kryptonite is calling the chicken you could get him to do anything
[00:59:32] and it will ruin his life so that there was something for him to push against in a larger sense. That's fine. Now I appreciate that Marty has a little bit of an ego. That's cool. Like I'm cool with having a chip on his shoulder but
[00:59:52] I think I prefer how Biff is so wild and different and dominant in the future and in the past. The Marty stuff like it's like you should be more Michael J. Fox should be more fun as all these other people. And I feel like especially like old Marty
[01:00:10] like you know he's just kind of a loser like it's kind of a repeat of the first. It's OK. Like I'm not as invested in all the Marty stuff. Is that crazy? I mean it's his fear of no. I mean it happens pretty quickly
[01:00:25] like they don't live in it for too long. That whole big house sequence I feel like is mostly a showcase for the technology which this is the first movie to really use like computer controlled cameras with actors playing against themselves. So that's the big breakthrough is
[01:00:44] it used to be if you had one actor playing two characters in one scene you had to like have it be the exact same camera position without cuts with a clear line or some object in the middle that was separating the two of them.
[01:00:57] And this he has like camera movements and wild sort of things happening objects interacting with each other which a lot of it is shit he learned from Roger Rabbit obviously like having to shoot around two different elements and also how to like puppeteer props and stuff
[01:01:14] so that they can be carried over from one part of a frame to another between characters. But I feel like this is just him doing the like wowey gadgetry of a oh it gives Michael J Fox something fun to play he gets to do a bunch of
[01:01:27] new things be right I'm going to show off how like no one's ever seen something like this in a movie before and they talk about like every in the big family dinner scene every single prop was like super glued down because the shots wouldn't work if anything was
[01:01:47] misaligned. So they shot it over like a week where he was shooting the different parts with the camera hooked up to all these computers so would replicate the exact same timing and the same angles of the camera moves over and over again. And then the second to last
[01:02:01] day there was an earthquake and they were like we fucked it up it's like the whole things ruined they had armed guards outside of the set overnight to make sure no one broke in and fucked with the set because it would have cost them like millions
[01:02:13] of dollars and then there was this earthquake and they were like God damn it and they walked on and it was fine. It was like an act of God that the set was somehow fine. They shot the final day and finished it's cool. George being upside down
[01:02:25] in the like back harness right was because they thought Crispin Glover was going to retreat and offer agree to do the movie for less money. So they were like oh we'll punish him. Making a movie. That's rude. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah.
[01:02:44] Yeah. So there is that they just hire some look alike actor to do an impression and we're like oh by the way you're going to have to be upside down for 10 days of filming. Damn that sucks. But then didn't Crispin he sued them right.
[01:02:59] And he did it for a bunch of money. Yeah he's like it's a classic image rights case basically. Right. He's like I am you can't use my face. Right. Like that's what I mean the makeup was designed to look like him. They have an impersonator from
[01:03:14] different angles doing some of the 1950s stuff and then they also reuse photos of him and stuff. Right. Yeah. And he's he's just like no it's not allowed. And now like I think he made a good portion of his net worth from yeah probably being in this movie.
[01:03:33] Truly because it was a pretty open and shut case and it like it defined the rest of the industry like changed all the rules. We got to thank Crispin Glover for getting paid for our likeness. Yeah. I mean that's cool. I'm now I'm sort of looking
[01:03:46] at Crispin Glover again. I wonder if his nickname is Crisp. Crispy. Professor Crispy. Crispy. Yeah. Crispy Gloves. It is funny that they do worked. He does work with Zemeckis again one day in Beowulf. He did finally they must have made peace eventually. Well the other weird thing is
[01:04:08] when he talks about it in interviews he's like I have no problems with Bob Zemeckis. He's a gentleman. We work together in Beowulf. I had a lovely time. I hate Bob. He hates the other guy. OK. Nicole has like very much been the like spokesperson
[01:04:22] for the franchise and the ambassador. He doesn't really make many things after back to the future. And so while Zemeckis goes on and does all these other things in his career Gale has always been sort of like the steward does all the interviews does all the promotional appearances
[01:04:36] like oversaw the animated series and the ride and all that stuff. There was an animated series. Oh yeah I've been watching it and I enjoy it thoroughly. It's mostly about Doc Brown's kids. There's like kids about his two little boys. Yes. Jules and Verne they get in the
[01:04:56] trouble. The other one is like a rebel Bart Simpson kid and they get in the trouble and then Marty and Doc watch this. It is. It must be streaming somewhere. I have it on DVD. That's been Griffin Griffin you haven't watched all of it at night.
[01:05:14] I have the DVD the complete series back to the. There's two seasons. Who knew. Two seasons. Yeah. Let's see where is Mary Stenberg in. OK. It returns. Sure. Yes. And so is Thomas Wilson Christopher Lloyd but no. No. Christopher Lloyd does live action. The beginning and end
[01:05:36] of every episode is Doc Brown live action in his lab teaching science lessons that relate to the episode you're about to see. And Bill Nye does that. That is. Christopher Lloyd. I know the voice. It's Dan Castellan to Castle and Netta from the Simpsons does Doc Brown
[01:05:53] animated and Christopher Lloyd does like eight minutes live action for a streaming. You would have to buy the DVD which is only available used but for like for like 10. It says on the Wikipedia that it's a French American animated science fiction comedy. What do you mean French American.
[01:06:13] Griffin please explain. Is it French. I guess it must have been like a French production company. Here wait let me hold this up. It does seem to be a virtual background. Oh OK. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's all right. But yes that that series is
[01:06:32] very much like every time they're like oh no my kids have escaped to the Civil War Oh no. Follow the kids and then there's like general Beauregard Tannen and they're like oh no Biff's a Confederate. And then when it takes like that back to the future of three.
[01:06:49] So that's why Mary Seenberg is in it because he's with his wife Clara. Oh and it's his son's why I get his sons. It's wild that she's the one who was like yeah I'll do all the episodes considering that she was a fucking Academy Award.
[01:07:06] Well maybe she really responded to the material. Claire is a great character. Anyway that's the wild thing I've been watching. But Glover's always been very anti Gale. He's like Gale keeps on spreading false rumors about me and how difficult I was. I don't like him.
[01:07:23] So there's there's forever be from that front but whatever they're not making any more back to the future. So you know. OK. I wish they would. I want another one. I suppose it's not impossible. This is the other thing. It's back to the future is
[01:07:37] in that like last time period where they made deals like this where Bob Zemeckis and Robert Gale. Why did I say Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale. Bob and Bob have to approve of anything. They're not allowed to do anything back to the future
[01:07:51] with how both of them signing off on it which now studios don't get absolutely not. They're like no it's our fucking shit we want with it. That's wild right. But like yeah. Christopher always get old never be remade. So let's let's throw him up
[01:08:07] in there. Let's refer back to the future for. Let's get a. I mean Doc Doc was already a thousand years old in the first movie. Yes. And he's such a funny. No sorry where you get to go when he takes his face off. Right. We're all thinking about
[01:08:23] that. That's really good. A funny gag. It is funny because right you have the joke in the first movie that like oh the document's really old now let's go back in time. He barely looks any younger. And then this one starts out where you're like well we're
[01:08:36] now stuck with old Brown as the neutral. We don't want Christopher Lloyd wearing prosthetic wrinkles the whole movie. So let's explain that he had this experimental future rejuvenation technology and he can look 30 years younger and then he pulls it off when he looks exactly the same.
[01:08:52] It's perfect. I love it. Now you said like the first act is the stuff that you said you get the most excited by David the Thurak does the stuff that is the most thrilling to me like even if the first act is the most fun because of
[01:09:08] all the future building they do. Just the the fucking like the magic trick of we get to remake the first movie and like tinker with the scenes and show them from different perspectives and fit into all these crevices. You know yeah. Doc Brown talking to himself. That's fun.
[01:09:26] I don't know. There's something odd about the Thurak that even though I know Biff is insane. It's kind of insane how much he's trying to kill him. You know what I mean like with the with the car. He knows that the future is
[01:09:43] going to change if he doesn't kill him or his present. He's got higher stakes to it. Yes. I love Griff the ending ending of the third. I love the lightning strike. I love all the sort of like time travel joy of like the guy showing up
[01:09:59] and being like I was told to be here on this day like you know from this that I love like that's the kind of time travel shit that always gets me excited I guess I enjoyed the tour back to the first movie but I'm just
[01:10:12] kind of like I love that first movie so much like I'm almost worried that they're messing with it maybe that's what what sort of sets my teeth on it. I don't know. Messing with it. It adds to the first movie like the first way to watch
[01:10:25] back to the future too. I then went back and watched back to the future one and then enjoyed the like the dance in a different way because I knew more information about the dance. Right. There's also a little sneaky sneaky Marty off to the side
[01:10:42] just right out of frame and all those early scenes. I think it's another effective commentary thing and like what you're saying David like if people love a first movie their fear with the sequel is is this going to ruin the first movie for me. Right.
[01:10:56] Like a sequel retroactively make the first movie worse which is why people get like defensive about new new installments and franchises. Right. And this movie is like we're literally having a character walk into the edges of the scenes you've already loved and try his hardest to
[01:11:14] make sure the first movie doesn't get ruined. Like he's just barely keeping everything at bay. Right. I just think that's so fun. I agree. It's fun. Thank you. I like it. I like it. I think it's you sound reluctant. What we want is for you to go.
[01:11:30] I love it baby. So good about. That is famously what I always say. Yeah. Right. No I I dig it. I I think I sort of just enjoy the invention of the first the first act and the second act more because there's so like Zemeckis is
[01:11:51] so good at that kind of world building like all the little jokey stuff in the future all the little jokey stuff in the nightmare world like all the little details that are crammed into the frame like those are just very delightful to like take
[01:12:06] in and like chuckle at like scene after scene after scene. Right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's when he's doing all the second beat stuff like all the mirroring of earlier scenes and also the fact that Hill Valley is so based around that town
[01:12:22] square that you get to like re-theme that one area you can always play with the different store fronts and what the clock towers transformed into. Do we know how we killed George? Do they explain it? Or is it just that he killed it with a gun? Yeah.
[01:12:35] The same gun. Right. Yeah. That's right. Right. Yeah. He just shot. Right in the face. Pop pop. I think as a kid I was so entranced by the idea of the almanac. I liked sports pages in general anyway. Like I always liked just like
[01:12:51] that there was a part of this the newspaper that was just like all these little tables, you know, all this like really boring data and like the idea that you could use that to become so rich. I don't know. I was thinking I was taking away
[01:13:03] a lot of the wrong messages from this movie when I was 10 years old. They should call you Biff Sims. He's the MVP. I think Tom Wilson. Thomas Wilson. I don't know if he's whatever. I think he's the MVP of this movie. He's the one who gets them
[01:13:17] to do the most new stuff and it's joyful. Like I think Lloyd kind of gets a better showcase in three. Is that fair? And yeah. And Fox they like sort of satiate him by letting him play all the other characters because other than that,
[01:13:33] he's just kind of running around the whole movie. I mean, it feels like all the family stuff is just a gift to him. So he has something to chew on as an actor. But the Tom Wilson stuff is the best. His big monologue to Marty
[01:13:44] like explaining the safe leading up to them on the rooftop where he's threatened to kill him is so good. But for me, the big Tom Wilson scene is the car scene between young Biff and old Biff is like so fucking good. And both of those performances
[01:13:58] are so good. And the frustration of old Biff dealing with how stupid young Biff is and like the self hatred of that, you know, like they're just like put in a safe. No, of course you don't have a safe. Right. Like he just has such contempt for himself.
[01:14:15] They're so clever to have like they still. Zemeckis is still using like weird dividers to be able to build the split screen around for any scene where it's two actors talking themselves. So with like the two Doc Browns outside the clock tower, you have the flagpole in
[01:14:32] the car. You have the divider of the windshield. There's that scene where Marty is like in the wings while the prom performance is happening where they have like the ladder in the way and the ladder looks composited like it's got the weird sort of like green screen
[01:14:49] glow around it. And he does this thing that he does all the time, which is like go out of your way to make something look like it's really there. So he has the the Marvin Barry actor walk around the ladder that's not really
[01:15:04] there just to try to sell it. There's another one where that when the car is flying out of like the shitty Hill Valley cul-de-sac, it hits a bunch of boxes and like trash falls over and the car is clearly a model and the trash is real
[01:15:19] and that's such a Roger Rabbit thing of like he must have just had seven PAs holding on to wires attached to the trash just pulling the trash so that they could later composite the car in there. But it's all that like Zemeck is nerd shit that I love.
[01:15:36] I love that too. I love all those tiny little details that that's joyous and like I don't know like if you think about this movie, I think like in its an 80s movie, it's in the era of Blade Runner like having like a shiny crunchy silly future versus
[01:15:51] a terrifying future and having a terrifying present instead like all that I appreciate. I think that is a nice spin on the 80s concept of what's going to happen to us. And you have that that final act that's like, you know, the the metatextual stuff.
[01:16:09] Yeah, I mean, I like your take. I love your take Griffin. Can I say that trying to save the first movie? Yes. And and he's also like the stakes are high because of the Biff shit. Like as we know, Biff is a full on fucking psycho
[01:16:22] who's going to murder his dad. So is there a better back to the future three? Like, say someone like just talks to Zemeckis and is like, Bobby, like and like I like back to the future three. We're going to have a fun time
[01:16:33] talking about it. But you know what I mean? Like, is there a way to hide from this movie further? Or is this about as bananas as you can be? Like, is this sort of like is Zemeckis right to be like should sort of chill out for
[01:16:44] the next one and kind of stay put. Do you have any takes on this, Nicole? I got like a really wild take I thought of while watching this. But I want to hear if you have anything. No, what's your wild take? I do think to some degree this
[01:16:57] movie goes so bug nuts that the third one has to be scaled back in some kind of way. You have to bring it back to more of like an emotional character story away from it being the wild like they can travel everywhere. The car can do anything.
[01:17:10] We're jumping all around multiple timelines. I do like the idea of it being sort of set. And the other good thing about the Wild West premise is that you're like, oh, they're at a time really devoid of technology. It's really hard for them to get out of it.
[01:17:24] It's really hard for them to fix the car. That's good. The thought I had watching this one was like, would it be cooler if they went to like prehistoric times? If you're going to do this premise is it cooler if it's Doc and Marty? Yeah. Yeah.
[01:17:39] They're like, they're like they're like, they're like dinosaurs? No. Nicole's shaking her head. No. Doc Brown is too old. You don't want to see a body double running away from a T Rex. Yeah, it's just you don't want it. I'm telling you right now it
[01:17:52] would be very bad. OK. It's also like what four or five years before Jurassic Park. So like the dinosaurs would not have looked good. They were just ahead of that dinosaur break. It would have still been stop motiony dinosaurs. It would have been yeah, it
[01:18:07] would have been goofy. Yeah. Well, let's let's wrap up. Is there any we should play the box of this game? Okay. Is there anything else you want to hit before I kick that off? Yeah. I want to do a brief merchandise spotlight. Please. The the hoverboard in
[01:18:22] the film has the Mattel logo stamped on it, which they did for Versa Militude. They were like we like the idea of this not just being a high end technology, but a thing that like little kids play with. Let's get a real toy company
[01:18:33] to put their name on it. So it looks like a real cheesy product. But that combined with the fact that went back to the future to was coming out. They did this very weird thing that's on the DVD set called Back to the Future Night
[01:18:47] where they played the first movie on network TV for the first time, but did a behind the scenes plus sneak preview of the next movie special that's hosted by Leslie Nielsen. It's Leslie Nielsen like after naked gone has made him a star wearing a tuxedo
[01:19:04] getting out of the DeLorean telling no jokes whatsoever being super dry and just going like hello I'm Leslie Nielsen you might know me as a movie star but that's not why I'm here today. I'm here because I love time travel and it's just him
[01:19:18] I love it saying like I love Back to the Future. Don't we all miss duck and marty but in that thing they show this behind the scenes peak of the hoverboard sequence which I feel like was their big money sequence like you're not going to believe the special
[01:19:31] effects of this thing. And in that Robert Zemeckis says you know hoverboards are real. They're like a real technology that the toy companies have had for years and years and years but they've never been able to sell them because the government won't approve of them.
[01:19:45] So we just got Mattel to loan us a hoverboard and making the movie. And because of that kids for years saw that special saw it with the logo thought the hoverboard was real and Mattel got letters for like five years after this movie begging them to release
[01:20:00] a hoverboard. And they just had to like majorly majorly course correct and like say like it was a lie and people were like why are you covering up the truth. You told us the truth the first time. It's a conspiracy all the hoverboards are in a warehouse somewhere.
[01:20:14] I would never buy a hoverboard. They seem very dangerous. Why I would buy a hoverboard. What if I fell over. What if I fell and hurt myself. Get some knee pads. What's wrong with you. Be adventurous. The closest thing we have are those things on wheels
[01:20:29] right the little boards that are on two wheels we kind of like lean forward. They're called hoverboards. They are called hoverboards. It sucks about that. They're literally hoverboards but they're pretenders to the throne. I got so excited when people were like kids are now buying all these
[01:20:46] hoverboards and I was like what they did it. And then I saw that dumb fucking segue. That's essentially what it is. It's a segue without handles. They're dangerous. I've been on one and I've also fallen off one. I buy a hoverboard tomorrow. All right fine.
[01:21:03] I'm too old for hoverboards. But when I was a kid I wanted to hoverboard and I just like that's the introduction of 90s style that that sort of green pink you know like neon the way it's like tricked out. That's like my childhood. That's what everything looked
[01:21:17] like when I was when I was a kid and that's that's great. Yeah. Griff let's talk about the box of this rules. It's so cool. Want to hoverboard also that sequence is one of those things where it's like that alone I think shot took four
[01:21:30] weeks to shoot because it's essentially like Michael J. Fox wearing an iron maiden being suspended from cables like a marionette puppet to get like one shot at a time. It's such wild stuff that they make look kind of effortless. Everything in this movie looks very effortless which is
[01:21:47] yeah. This movie came out Griffin Thanksgiving 1989 November 24th it was not iron maiden Chastity Belt is what I meant to say. Wearing a harness for flying scenes is like a chassis belt that's the joke I want to make I apologize it wasn't worth going back. David Box office.
[01:22:02] It opened. It was a very big movie. It made lots and lots of money made forty three million dollars in this opening weekend. That's wild. That's too much money. Tons of money for the 80s you know everyone was happy like I don't think
[01:22:15] it made as much as the original movie ended up making but big opener. Number two Griffin. It's 89. 89. Now number two Griffin got Nicole Griff's going to guess the top five movies of this weekend. Number two is my brain. Notorious bomb like from a huge star
[01:22:34] like but one of his most famous bombs. OK I'm sorry say say the date of the weekend against November 24th no Thanksgiving 1989. November. Fuck. OK. Notorious flop from a huge star is it an action guy. It's a comedy guy but this is like a serious movie that
[01:22:58] he's doing. Fuck it's comedy guy doing a serious and he. And he directed it. And he directed it. And he directed it. Why am I not thinking of this. It's like this is so obvious. Right. I would say it's a pretty. It's not like a movie people
[01:23:14] remember that well but people like it's a famous flop. It's a famous like it's a big comedy star. He put two other big comedy legends in it. He directed it. He wrote it like it was his huge passion project Harlem Knights. It's Harlem Knights.
[01:23:29] Eddie Murphy Richard Pryor Red Fox. You know big period piece. Huge huge fuck. That's what it is. Have you ever seen it when you look at Harlem Knights did make it did it did but you know I feel like at the time everyone just lambasted it right like
[01:23:46] it just got this like terrible. Have you ever seen Harlem Knights anyone has anyone ever seen Harlem Knights. I sure haven't. No I mean neither of I kind of always been wanted. I've always wanted to check it out because I love Eddie. I've seen most of them.
[01:24:00] I don't know why I've never seen that one. I remember hearing some interview with him where they were like do you like directing. Would you ever do it again after Harlem Knights and he was like no people just kept on coming up to me and asked me
[01:24:08] what I thought of this pillow in the background. I don't care. That was the way he described directing. He was like just stop. Ask me about pillows. All right. Number three it's the Disney movie. It's a cartoon animated film Big Hit. 1989. It's a big hit.
[01:24:23] It's The Little Mermaid. The Little Mermaid. It's just starting but it's going to make tons and tons of money. Number four another huge comedy huge comedy of the year one of the biggest movies of the year. Very gimmicky. A director we will do on the show. One day.
[01:24:46] Not twins. Twins is a really gimmicky. Sort of revives someone's career. Oh is it. Fuck it's someone will do some day. It's not. Yes. Oh God. No but it is like career revivals. Yeah. Yeah well maybe that's about it's it's a kid's movie. It's like a kid's comedy.
[01:25:10] Hocus pocus kids. That's a great guess but no. I shrunk the kid. No not honey I shrunk the kid but it does involve special effects. Sort of I guess something crazy is happening in this movie. Something crazy unusual. Is the title describing the wild thing that's happening.
[01:25:29] It's describing it's like I can't I can't describe the title. It's you know oh something's happening. That's what the title is. What if there was a ghost that no come on Griffin comedy director. It's a big comedy director who will probably cover someday. It's not Ivan Reitman.
[01:25:54] No female director. It's it's a Penny Marshall movie. No. No it's oh it's look who's talking. It's look who's talking. Look Amy Heckerlings. Look who's talking with John Travolta and a talking baby voiced by Bruce Willis. Yes. That's what the movie is.
[01:26:12] It was one of the biggest hits of the year. And then there's another huge hit. Famous sappy movie is number five a famous crier. A famous cry. Steel Magnolia. Steel Magnolia. I got that right. This is a hot you got it right. This is a hot five.
[01:26:32] That's a hot five. I think those are Harlem Knights big bomb but you know. 89 was so big and I feel like 89 was a year where the biggest opening weekend record was broken like four times. Like I think Ghostbusters 2 broke it and then Batman broke what Ghostbusters 2 had broken.
[01:26:53] You had a lot of big sequels for the first time. You had a lot of movie stars at their peak. It was wild. Yeah. No you're right. 89 the big movies are Batman Indiana Jones Back to the Future 2. Lethal Weapon 2. It's a lot of big sequels. Boys.
[01:27:09] A lot of gimmicky movies like who's talking. We got to we got to let Nicole go out of here. I'm sorry. I know. It's fine. We're done. But we don't want to hold you any longer. So thank you for being on the show.
[01:27:24] No thank you for having me. OK. Bye bye. Bye bye. See you Nicole. And then there was three and then there was three. She froze while waving goodbye and smiling. But it looked like she was just committing to it. It was sort of doing a freeze frame goodbye.
[01:27:48] Like in a sitcom. Right. Which Ben is now doing. The other thing that I was sort of like like watching this movie I'm like damn this is a dense movie. There's all kinds of stuff going on. And then what I often do when
[01:28:00] we're doing the show is I have like the Wikipedia page open so I can just have the plot summary up and like plot wise it's a very there's no is not actually a lot going on in the movie. You know what I mean like it's all
[01:28:12] antics but like it's pretty simple. Like like you said like it's like that this and then that and then they fix it. You know like it's it's all it's all pretty surfacing which maybe is my problem with it but is also kind of the point. I don't know.
[01:28:26] I think this is a weird movie. That's what I like about it. And to you saying David like is there a better version of Back to the Future 3 that could exist. I feel like this is the best possible back to the future that could ever exist.
[01:28:40] I feel like this movie has all of the smartest and sort of sequel. Yes. Right. Yeah. OK. You said Back to the Future. You just said it's the best Back to the Future. Oh I might I might swallow it. I don't know. Zoom sucks. But what if
[01:28:59] right because I just say what if this was three but maybe not like maybe you need to do like I said you need to do all the wild stuff first. Yeah. Yeah. And the other point is I mean like I was watching the making of stuff
[01:29:12] and Spielberg keeps on saying like we were following in the Star Wars model like the second one is the dark one. We wanted to make the one where everything went wrong. Yes. That's fair. And it ends on a cliffhanger that is ostensibly scary. Right. Like Doc is gone.
[01:29:32] And then it's also the first movie to end with the trailer for the next movie ever which is a bold decision at the time. It does kind of suck a little bit of the power of the ending away. Yes. You know what I mean like it's like it's
[01:29:48] kind of better to leave Marty on that truly like fuck what's going to happen. And then instead it's like anyway soon they're going to be in the Wild West. Yee-haw. You're like OK I guess they're going to go to the fucking Wild West then I guess that's what's
[01:30:01] going to happen. Yeah they talked about they were like worried that audiences would revolt if the movie ended on such a down note. So they wanted to give them a right. That the third one was in fact happening like it was more just
[01:30:14] to show like look we have footage I swear to God the movie is like a given. But right. Right. Right. It's kind of a thing where I almost wish they cut it out for like home video releases. Like it just cut to credits now. Yeah.
[01:30:29] You just get rid of that right but it is show it to me the way it was in theaters. You got to keep it. It's a weird little artifact that they did that Ben before we wrap up like wrap up wrap up. You didn't get to talk much
[01:30:42] because you know Nicole had a heart out. We wanted to get you know Nicole talking but you do you have any takes on this way. I just feel like the hoverboards the the the clothes. The clothes. I mean that's what I wanted to jump in on.
[01:30:57] I think yeah. This is so 90s. Like that's what we were talking about too. The colors like the projection of that. But the gang right because think about in the first movie like a thing I wrote down right in my little congratulations idea
[01:31:14] notebook is I want to get customized 3D glasses because I think that fucking rules is just an accessory to just wear. Right. Because one of Biff Henschman wears that character's name. No. The Henschman who wears the 3D glasses. What is it 3D. Hell yeah. That's good. But
[01:31:36] yeah I brought up the helmet. Their fucking look is it's so fucking good. So good. And yeah I think even just down to like I think a little thing that I always remembered is how Griff's one metal knee pad. Yes. Like just a little shit like that.
[01:31:57] It's like Lost Boys. Yeah. Meets like Blade Runner. Right. Like it's just such a great amalgamation of all this stuff but then it's still a kid's like movie right. So it's not like sharp and like edgy. I'd love it. Can I give you the names of the gang.
[01:32:16] Yeah. Of the future gang. Please. Data Spike and Whitey. Did you have a friend called Spike Ben because I feel like you should have a nice no because that feels like a no. You know what I mean. That's what I like about it.
[01:32:31] I had a friend named Spike. I lived with a guy named Spike. I was the Spike friend. I have a different friend named Spike now. That's right. And Lousy was Spike. What you have. What you have two spikes in your life. You know what.
[01:32:42] In fact I arguably have three. One of my best friends in high school who I later lived with when we both dropped out of college was named Spike. Right. I have a friend who now goes by Spike and then my best friend in college
[01:32:53] for the brief time I was there before dropping out was a guy who was known as Spike. And when he went to college he was like I'm going to shake up my brand and change my name. So I knew him as Nick
[01:33:05] and then I stayed in touch with him over the years. And when I hang out with him and his friends they all call him Spike. Wow. Like I knew him in the one period when he kind of wasn't Spike. It's weird that he was like
[01:33:15] I have to rebrand. I can't be this cool anymore. I can't be Spike anymore. I'm just going to be Nick. I'll be regular. Wear like a spiked bracelet. And so I'm going to call him Spike and he's like I don't want to be the bracelet guy anymore.
[01:33:26] And I think he didn't realize oh I can still be named Spike and not wear the bracelet. It's just right. I mean I know it's not quite vaporwave because we're not quite at like the mid 90s in CARTA yeah vibes that are
[01:33:40] that are that sort of the base of a vaporwave. But still just like the hologram of the shark biting Marty like all that stuff. Yep. No absolutely. And for how much they got right like in their future predictions like they say like 50 percent of it we got
[01:33:56] right 50 percent of it we got wrong stuff like how quickly 80s nostalgia was going to come into play like Cafe 80s looks like just a pop up that someone would have. But there's shit like there's the the surf Vietnam poster in the back alley
[01:34:13] which they were just like this is ridiculous. There's no chance Vietnam is ever going to become a tourist attraction. They nailed that right like the gas prices the thing with like watching like eight different screens at once and the kid wearing the headset at the dinner table.
[01:34:29] The joke that the Cubs are in the World Series which everyone was like ha ha ha and you know they famously never make it. They did win I believe the year after I think they won the World Series 2016 and that there's a Miami team
[01:34:41] which at the time was not true but now there is one all that stuff's fun. It's making me think that really like this first movie and the second movie are really only times where you can make these kinds of projections and jokes because you can't do that now.
[01:34:58] No no no it would just be climate change. It would just be climate change and that shit right. Capitalism land like truly that's what I read some interview with Christopher Lloyd where he they were like should you know I assume like as he gets a
[01:35:12] asshole the time we're like would you want to make a back to the future for and he's like yeah if it's about climate change I don't really know else how else you do that. I feel like he's shot new stuff as Doc Brown about climate change that
[01:35:24] they've like put on the internet or put on the free releases and stuff like that. Right. But yeah it seems like that's the only thing he wants to talk about good for him. Christopher Lloyd's a legend is interesting for how much technology stuff they got right.
[01:35:38] The fashion stuff they were totally kind of off point for the 2000s but then on point for the early 90s like everyone just took a lot of these aesthetics and started manufacturing them in 1992. Yeah. Yeah that kind of that's I feel like that's often true
[01:35:55] with these future movies. You really are predicting five years in the future. Right. In terms of clothes Marty's shoes look like Air Jordans like from like the mid 90s 100 percent. Right. Oh you want the other merch spotlight is like they've produced those shoes a couple
[01:36:10] times and like crazy limited runs that they do for Michael J Fox's charity to raise money and they go for like tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars just insane shit. But Nike does have the patent on self-lacing shoes. Like they have filed that patent.
[01:36:26] They have it. They have not released it. I feel like they at some point were like showed off some early prototype that didn't totally do it but it's actively a thing that they've been working on since this movie because they want to be the
[01:36:41] ones to do it since this movie gave them the glory of that creation. Right. Right. Pepsi did like in 2015 they released the bottle that looked kind of like the bottle in this movie. Like all the companies that are used in this movie kind of embraced it.
[01:36:57] But I want to say Ben you mentioned the spiky boot the one boot that Griff has that's also like becomes the biggest design aesthetic of like 90s comic books David like that becomes like Jim Lee Roblifield Todd McFarland. The character has one oversized boot. Absolutely. You're not wrong.
[01:37:16] And then the other foot is kind of normal. Yeah. You're totally right. I just feel like people people crib from this movie all the time they do. And I think it rules and I love it. I'm glad you love it. I like your take.
[01:37:27] I there's just always going to be something for me with this movie where I'm like more enjoying it than I'm loving it. But I don't know. Maybe I'm just something wrong with me. I don't know maybe. Yeah. Let's go ahead. Sorry. I mean there's definitely
[01:37:42] something wrong with you. I don't know why you keep on arguing about those extra two inches. But for me as a kid I preferred this one which is objectively the wrong opinion. But I think I just got so excited by the wildness of it.
[01:37:54] I think that is a classic kid opinion though where you're just like this rules. You know what I mean. You're just so much fun. Right. Yeah. It's bigger. Yeah. Can I say though especially now that Nicole's gone because I just think she would have no
[01:38:06] interest in this conversation. What's the movie that is most indebted to Back to the Future 2 specifically. Avengers Endgame Avengers Endgame is so back to the future to 100 percent. It's just like watching this again not having seen it in a while. It is wild how the structure
[01:38:23] is almost the same of like you know you you create the future that's worse than you ever could have imagined and the only way to fix it is to go back into the previous movie and relive your greatest hits. It's so funny because of Avengers Endgame makes it
[01:38:39] clear. It's like but you know Back to the Future is not how this stuff actually works. But it is basically the same context like basically the same idea of a movie like let's go back and look at the greatest hits and sort of have fun
[01:38:56] dodging around with them. Which is fine. Like yeah totally. I was clowning on the Russo Brothers Pizza Film School in our I Want to Hold Your Hand episode and then I believe literally the next day they posted an episode with Bob Gale that's actually really
[01:39:09] good and worth watching. And it's Marcus and McFeely the two Russo's and Gale and they just get into a lot of the storytelling principles that Gale and Zemeckis had at the time and how like the Russo's and Marcus and McFeely are trying to like math
[01:39:22] it and like talk about like but you have to do this by Page 16 and this and that. And Gale was just like I don't know we just did stuff because we thought it was fun. But like these are the rules we hold ourselves to in terms
[01:39:32] of character integrity in terms of fulfilling promises to the audience not the same sort of like structure mechanics shit. But it's so clear how much they were beholden to these movies and then also that they were like we had to explicitly write in a character saying
[01:39:51] it doesn't work like back to the future because back to the future becomes the thing that everyone thinks of in terms of like cause and effect with time travel. Right. Right. And that's that's fine. I get it like that's you know I feel like I stuck up
[01:40:07] for the Russo brothers when you were clowning on them. Then I someone posted the intro to their thing and I was like this looks like the worst. It's really bad. It's really hard. And then now you're saying like yeah but you know and so now
[01:40:23] I'm like all right I'll give them a shot right like I'll like I like a great many things about those guys. There are a lot of things that are very easy to clown on with and and that intro is definitely that's exactly top of the list.
[01:40:37] But I recommend that people watch the Back to the Future episode of Pizza Film School. I recommend that people watch all 26 episodes of Back to the Future the animated series available now on used DVD. It's essential. It is an essential watch essential essential David stop your
[01:40:55] stop your the wire rewatch and watch Back to the Future the animated series. I'm not rewatching the wire. I thought about rewatching the wire because it's whatever you know the sort of time we're all like rewatching shit right now right like that's sort of like but my
[01:41:17] forky is a teacher in his spare time. I don't know how to do the forky bit about this and the wires school series I think it's just going to be too much. Yes it will be too much. It's so it's so devastating
[01:41:31] that then why not go back in time and hang out with these friends. Yeah you know what fine. I mean Jesus I mean you talked me into Griffin I'm going to buy the back to I'm not going to do that I'm definitely not going to look
[01:41:43] like Clara Jules Verne. I remember watching there. Giff and I me. I watch it when I was a kid much like I watched like the Beetlejuice cartoon like a lot of those cartoons that were based on movies that I may not have even seen yet
[01:41:56] like but I just sort of like soaked in the aesthetics by these like little Saturday morning cartoons first. I absolutely watched all of those cartoons before I saw any of those movies. Yeah. Bill and Ted Beetlejuice Back to the Future. Yeah. The one I remember always is
[01:42:11] the strangest I still remember to this day is the MC Hammer. Oh yeah. Hammer Man. His friends and they talk to him. Right. What a. Yeah that's a weird thing I guess that doesn't exist anymore. Huh. Like where people could just shoehorn any concept into that time slot.
[01:42:29] I so badly wanted to come back and it's one of my great disappointments that I think back not back to the future. Fast and Furious Spy Racers which is the Fast and Furious animated series that's on Netflix is not that at all. Like when they announced they're doing
[01:42:44] a Fast and Furious animated series I was like great it's going to be the whole cast. They'll bring Paul Walker back from the dead with a sound alike and they'll all be driving like robot cars. And instead it's Dominic Toretto's nephew working for a government agency.
[01:43:00] Griffin this is like one of the this you you are so annoyed about this. So annoyed. Right. Like yes. So I brought this up to me multiple times. Four or five biggest issues plaguing our world today is back to the future.
[01:43:13] Why do I keep saying back to the future? Fast and Furious Spy Racers. If you wanted to go on that that the cartoon show is the thing that's been plaguing us the most and will end there because I want more like this is this is what I want.
[01:43:27] I want like John Wick the animated series. I want someone to do like a Saturday morning style John Wick series that functions like the Rambo cartoon series where John Wick has like a team of orphans who help him like defend the future or they're all guns. Right. Right.
[01:43:43] And his guns are all like stun guns. They're no real bullets. Like I just love the weird bastardization of like movies that weren't totally meant for kids but then become very successful with kids. And then you make these odd cartoon adaptations where like Beetlejuice the animated series
[01:43:58] is about Beetlejuice and Lydia being best friends and Lydia just going into the ghost world to help Beetlejuice out with his problems and vice versa. Whereas in the movie Beetlejuice is a man who tries to marry a 13 year old against her will. He's he's less cool
[01:44:13] in the movie I would say. Right. They're like good buddies and back to the features about like Doc Brown's annoying kids and Uncle Marty having to clean up their messes. You know Einstein driving the car and shit. Like I just love this. I want all adult movies to
[01:44:27] have animated series again. It's it's it's all I ask for. Make a Mad Max cartoon. I'd watch the hell out of it. Yeah. About the guitar guy just him and his mad adventures or whatever. Yeah. Do doof warrior doof and sons right. Little doof. I don't know.
[01:44:45] Whatever you want to doof and son doof and little doof. Well thank you folks all for listening next week back to the future part three we conclude our back to the future month. Yes. Join us next week for back to the future three which
[01:45:01] we're going to record very soon and I'm excited for that just because that's a silly Lucy Goosey movie. It's a silly Lucy Goosey movie. It's the ultimate gentleman six and it's certainly the one I've seen the least. So I'm excited to watch it again with fresh eyes.
[01:45:15] Yeah. I don't know about Bobby Zemeckis. We're still in the golden years for this guy. You know everything's going fine right now. I'll say oh that's the one final thing I wanted to say. Watching it now through this prism you do start
[01:45:31] to see a lot of the things that start to plague Zemeckis come up in this movie. This feels like the first one where it's like a it feels like Zemeckis and Cundy nailed down this like super shiny ambliny look that I feel like is what all 90s
[01:45:47] like adventure films family comedies like blockbusters all kind of have this color palette this sort of bright shiny lighting going forward or even in the nighttime scenes everyone's kind of cleanly lit right. Right. Whereas the first one has some some grit to it to the like I'm designing
[01:46:06] entire sequences around showing off new technological tricks I've developed. That's what was occurring to me right where he's just like can we do this and they're like maybe right. And you're like OK Bobby you know like it's all in service of something insane. Yeah. Which is good
[01:46:25] in this because the movies kind of just bananas anyway so who cares. But it it's going to be his Achilles heel like more and the stuff is good. The tricks he pulls off are good this time. Like it's worthwhile and it's a
[01:46:38] lot of stuff that was new and that changed the industry forever. He pioneered a lot a lot of shit on this movie. But but the final piece of it is the Zemeckis obsession with sort of being clever and being a step ahead of the audience.
[01:46:52] Spielberg says in some behind the scenes thing that he's like an ornery filmmaker and he wants to have like a struggle. He wants to feel like he's pushing against something. When I interviewed him he was so fucking ornery. I don't mean that in a bad way
[01:47:07] but that's definitely his energy. But the more successful he becomes the more he's like fuck you I'm doing mocap polar express like he wants people to be doubting him every time and trying to out clever them. There's an amazing quote from him in a behind the scenes
[01:47:20] thing though where he goes like yeah I don't know I mean I was like really frustrated when we're trying to come up with ideas for this movie because I don't really care about time travel. I don't really care about the future. I don't really care about aliens
[01:47:31] like the future and aliens I think are the two least interesting things you can make movies about because it's just you guessing you don't do anything. You know you don't know what you're writing about you're just making shit up. And then it's like seven years
[01:47:41] later he does contact. He does another time travel movie. You know. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah. What a weird guy. What a weird guy and we'll be talking about how weird he is for the next four months. Thank you all for listening. Please remember if you subscribe go to
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[01:48:21] special features we're doing the alien franchise but also going to do an episode on Tales from the Crypt these Zemeckis Gale episodes of Tales from the Crypt we have the Crypt Keeper himself as a guest. Yes. Oh spoiler sorry guys. No what's weird we have the
[01:48:39] Crypt Keeper booked but for what lies beneath that's the weird thing that one he's an expert. He's an he's just like the Crypt Keeper canceled. Is that is that possible. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Canceled. I'm sorry. Keeper Crypt Keeper is an ultimate ally.
[01:48:56] He's a gentleman on that. He fights hard for the rights of his crew and his cast members. Yeah please don't say that. The Crypt Keeper is like Hugh Jackman he's like very supportive of everyone around him. I don't know why I went to Hugh Jackman. We're done.
[01:49:11] That's it. We're done. That's always that's all. Yeah I mean you're kind of right when you say you got to do an end as always it kind of puts a lot of pressure on my end as always because usually I'm just kind of like
[01:49:23] rolling into it now you sort of circle that place. Well social media and the gothic and lay Montgomery for a theme song Joe Bonaparte rounds for our work of course. And as always David kind of screwed me with the end as always.
[01:49:42] I don't know what to say I would have done a great end as always but the pressure became too great and you folks just have to imagine what it would have been had David not not burdened me with expectations. It feels like I'm turning my zoom off.
[01:49:56] You just keep going. It's my back to the future too. How could I ever live up to what people wanted it to be at this point.