Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - The Lost Episode (Remastered)

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:05] Blank Check with Griffin and David

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[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:21] Do you podcast?

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[00:00:24] Ladies and gentlemen, an intro from David Sims.

[00:00:27] Thank you.

[00:00:28] Himself.

[00:00:29] Yeah, you probably can't even hear it.

[00:00:31] I was doing my Batman voice.

[00:00:33] I had prepped on but then David's was better so we just...

[00:00:35] You had prepped one.

[00:00:37] I was pre-prepping one.

[00:00:39] I was pre-prepping one.

[00:00:41] My name is David Sims.

[00:00:42] My name's Griffin Newman.

[00:00:43] Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:00:45] With Griffin and David with David with Griffin and David.

[00:00:47] We do a Griffin David versus Griffin.

[00:00:49] Yeah.

[00:00:50] Dawn of Podcasting.

[00:00:51] Dawn of Benducing.

[00:00:52] This is...

[00:00:53] Guys, woo!

[00:00:55] Hi.

[00:00:56] Here's what we like to do in this podcast.

[00:00:58] Talk movies.

[00:00:59] Maybe you heard of them?

[00:01:01] Talkies.

[00:01:02] Motion pictures.

[00:01:03] Flicks.

[00:01:04] Films.

[00:01:05] Cinema.

[00:01:06] This is a film podcast.

[00:01:08] Usually we focus on, you know, sort of creative extravaganza's.

[00:01:13] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:14] Good or bad.

[00:01:15] Yeah.

[00:01:16] That are being made with a blank check.

[00:01:19] But here's the thing.

[00:01:20] We like careers.

[00:01:21] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:01:22] We like zooming out looking at the career.

[00:01:23] It's kind of a podcast where we'll be like M. Night Shyamalan.

[00:01:26] Heard of him.

[00:01:27] Boom!

[00:01:28] And then we're done with him and never want to talk about him again.

[00:01:31] But we'll just flip you a quick 11 like that.

[00:01:33] And then we're like, oh, the Wachowskis.

[00:01:34] We should talk about them.

[00:01:36] But first, wait a second.

[00:01:38] Let me give you a little sherbet to cleanse that palate.

[00:01:42] Sure!

[00:01:43] A little sherbet.

[00:01:44] Because we're like those cooks.

[00:01:47] What's it called?

[00:01:48] Macro...

[00:01:49] Macrobiology?

[00:01:50] Oh, gastropub...

[00:01:51] Gastropubtologists?

[00:01:52] Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:53] A couple of gastropubtologists.

[00:01:54] We'll give you a little, you know, pizza.

[00:01:57] Steak tartare.

[00:01:58] Mm, mm, mm, delicious.

[00:02:00] Steak M. Night.

[00:02:01] Mm, mm, what's next?

[00:02:03] Here's some sherbet.

[00:02:04] Yeah!

[00:02:05] Don't people sometimes use sherbet as a...

[00:02:07] We should probably literally start this over.

[00:02:09] I don't think this is good.

[00:02:11] You don't like this?

[00:02:13] No, I like the Batman intro, but I don't know what's...

[00:02:16] What is this garbage?

[00:02:17] I don't know what's...

[00:02:18] Anyway...

[00:02:19] This is the second episode of our recording today.

[00:02:21] After like a three week break, we're losing our minds.

[00:02:23] We're losing our minds.

[00:02:24] We're having fun guys.

[00:02:25] No, you can chop it up if you need to.

[00:02:27] But here we are...

[00:02:28] Look, this episode might be fixed in post by producer Ben,

[00:02:31] aka...

[00:02:32] Oh no, don't do that just yet.

[00:02:33] Jesus Christ.

[00:02:34] We'll introduce producer Ben in a second.

[00:02:36] Producer?

[00:02:37] How dare you, sir?

[00:02:38] Producer.

[00:02:39] Producer.

[00:02:40] At the very least, he's a pro-doer.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:43] What if...

[00:02:44] Okay, can I hear something different for this episode?

[00:02:45] Sure.

[00:02:46] At different intervals.

[00:02:47] You'll say one of his names?

[00:02:48] Yeah.

[00:02:49] Okay, so producer Ben.

[00:02:50] Hey guys.

[00:02:51] So here we are.

[00:02:52] I'm David, you're Griffin, and today we're going to talk about the superhero films

[00:02:54] of Zack Snyder, particularly Batman versus Superman, Don of Justice.

[00:02:58] Right.

[00:02:59] Batman V Superman.

[00:03:00] I'm sorry.

[00:03:01] Yeah.

[00:03:02] Batman V Superman.

[00:03:03] V. Superman colon Don O. Justice.

[00:03:10] Had to do another bit.

[00:03:12] But we're getting...

[00:03:13] Boy, you know this movie's been picked apart and dunked over

[00:03:17] more than General Zod's corpse at this point.

[00:03:20] Yeah, this episode is not even coming out the week we're recording it,

[00:03:23] but this movie's been out for about a month now.

[00:03:25] Yeah, by the time this comes out.

[00:03:27] This will be about a month.

[00:03:28] And it has vanished from the public consciousness.

[00:03:31] Yes.

[00:03:32] 100%.

[00:03:33] So we're top.

[00:03:34] Great time for us to discuss it.

[00:03:35] And we don't want to just shit on it.

[00:03:36] We want to try to put it in a larger context.

[00:03:37] We want to figure out where Zack Snyder stands with Superheroes.

[00:03:40] No, I just want to shit on it.

[00:03:41] There's a lot of shitting to do.

[00:03:42] And also this movie is going to launch a DC cinematic universe.

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:48] So usually we talk about directors who are being kind of just like

[00:03:51] giving free reign to make the sort of nonsense.

[00:03:53] Yeah.

[00:03:54] You know that sometimes good, sometimes bad.

[00:03:55] It's a little different.

[00:03:57] Look, in some ways...

[00:03:58] Because as you say, it's a franchise starter.

[00:04:00] They simultaneously gave him way too much freedom and reigned him in a lot.

[00:04:03] Well, I wouldn't say they reigned him in at all.

[00:04:05] They just gave him a lot of freedom but then also said

[00:04:07] but you do have to do a bunch of stuff.

[00:04:09] You're right.

[00:04:10] They didn't reign him in.

[00:04:11] They gave him like a long read of this.

[00:04:12] Because they did not reign him in.

[00:04:13] No, not at all.

[00:04:14] Batman v Superman.

[00:04:15] Okay, so let's back up a little because we like contextualizing these things.

[00:04:18] Oh boy.

[00:04:19] Sex Snyder is like a commercial.

[00:04:20] Sex Snyder.

[00:04:21] Sex Snyder.

[00:04:22] Sex Snyder.

[00:04:23] Yeah.

[00:04:24] Is a commercials guy?

[00:04:25] I didn't know that.

[00:04:26] I think it's like a commercials director.

[00:04:27] I think that was a big thing.

[00:04:28] It was like a big hot shot, like commercial director.

[00:04:29] His name's The Peeper.

[00:04:30] Oh yeah, that's his name.

[00:04:32] Some call him The Peeper.

[00:04:33] Yeah, we're talking about Ben.

[00:04:34] Got eyes on you two.

[00:04:36] He then makes a film called Dawn of the Dead.

[00:04:40] Sure, written by James Gunn, the remake of the George Romero Zombie Flick.

[00:04:45] A movie that I think is great.

[00:04:47] Yeah, good movie.

[00:04:48] It's the one, Zack Snyder film I really, really like.

[00:04:51] Pretty much everyone likes it.

[00:04:52] It's good.

[00:04:53] I own it.

[00:04:54] I watch it a lot.

[00:04:55] Stylish.

[00:04:56] It's also well acted.

[00:04:57] It's one of the few remakes of a great movie that I think is great on its own.

[00:05:03] You know?

[00:05:04] It keeps the right elements and reinvents it enough ways.

[00:05:07] And that's all we need to say about that.

[00:05:09] Great cast, right?

[00:05:10] Sure.

[00:05:11] It's a film that is stylish but is not overly stylized.

[00:05:14] Moving on.

[00:05:15] Then he makes a film called 300.

[00:05:17] It's a huge smash hit.

[00:05:18] Boom, huge.

[00:05:19] It's a god-awful movie.

[00:05:21] Not a movie I like.

[00:05:23] But it's massive.

[00:05:24] One of the biggest cinematic disappointments I've ever had was 300.

[00:05:28] Really?

[00:05:29] I was really excited for it.

[00:05:30] I liked Dawn of the Dead and you know, it looked cool.

[00:05:34] There were all these trailers.

[00:05:35] And I think I was looking forward to like a really epic bloodbath of a movie.

[00:05:40] And the thing people don't say about 300 is it's weirdly not that violent.

[00:05:44] No, not at all.

[00:05:45] It's not very bloody or gory or anything.

[00:05:47] You know, it's kind of just lame and it's also like super racist.

[00:05:51] Yeah.

[00:05:52] And it's just...

[00:05:53] I'm like homophobic.

[00:05:54] Yeah.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:56] It's gross movie but you know, it had this distinct visual style.

[00:05:58] It's got some slow-motion violence though.

[00:06:01] Some slow-motion violence.

[00:06:04] Just a little bit.

[00:06:05] Just a tiny little bit.

[00:06:07] And it also gave us like Gerard Butler.

[00:06:09] You know, it hasn't done a lot for us.

[00:06:11] It gifted us with Gerard Butler.

[00:06:13] I mean he was surround but you know, really...

[00:06:15] Yeah.

[00:06:16] But that was a big breakout for Michael Fassbender apparently.

[00:06:19] I mean he's in it.

[00:06:21] But he started like getting big parts after that and I remember being like,

[00:06:24] Who is he in that movie?

[00:06:25] I don't fucking remember.

[00:06:26] He's one of the shirtless guys.

[00:06:27] Exactly.

[00:06:28] Like how did he fucking pop from that movie?

[00:06:30] It probably helped Lena Heady get Game of Thrones if you're into that.

[00:06:32] Yeah and I was saying, we were saying earlier,

[00:06:34] I think she's probably the best part about that movie.

[00:06:35] We're not talking about 300.

[00:06:36] Jesus Christ.

[00:06:37] Okay.

[00:06:38] But 300 makes a crazy amount of money.

[00:06:39] And it was an adaptation of a comic book.

[00:06:40] A Frank Miller comic book.

[00:06:41] It feels like Sin City set the stage for 302.

[00:06:44] Right, because it was like a green screen movie.

[00:06:46] Right.

[00:06:47] And it sort of like, Sin City was maybe a little ahead of the curve.

[00:06:51] And 300 hit right at the right point at the bell curve.

[00:06:54] So everyone now thinks that he's a visionary genius.

[00:06:57] Sure.

[00:06:58] So then he's handed the keys to the sort of bio-acclamation

[00:07:02] greatest like comic book ever written.

[00:07:05] No, let's just talk about...

[00:07:07] No, no, because we're going to talk about Watchman a lot.

[00:07:09] Okay?

[00:07:10] Let's talk about the fact, Watchman comes out I believe 1984.

[00:07:13] So in the mid-80s.

[00:07:14] Maybe six.

[00:07:15] It comes out in the mid-80s, right?

[00:07:18] It's revolutionary.

[00:07:20] Yeah, it's a, you know, 12 issues, such series or something like that.

[00:07:23] That's a huge hit.

[00:07:24] It's collected in a trade paperback that's an even bigger hit.

[00:07:27] You know, it's a game changer.

[00:07:28] It's sort of masterwork, 1980s, six and seven.

[00:07:31] Okay.

[00:07:32] Time magazine when they did their 100 greatest novels of all time recently.

[00:07:35] Put it on there.

[00:07:36] Put it on there.

[00:07:37] That was the one graphic book.

[00:07:38] And it's, and it's, you know, Terry Gilliam tried to make it.

[00:07:40] Right, that's what I was going to say.

[00:07:41] Darren Aronofsky tried to make it into a movie.

[00:07:43] Everyone was trying to make it into a movie.

[00:07:44] Silver had the rights for a long time.

[00:07:45] He wanted to do his action film.

[00:07:46] Terry Gilliam wanted to do it as this and that.

[00:07:48] They talked about doing his HBO.

[00:07:49] So it was too expensive.

[00:07:50] All these things.

[00:07:51] And there was a series of guys of like Greengrass came really close to doing it.

[00:07:54] Aaron Nofsky came really close to doing it.

[00:07:56] And it kept on getting shut down.

[00:07:58] Greengrass came really close.

[00:07:59] Very close.

[00:08:00] Like there is, there was material.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:02] There was like pre-production material.

[00:08:03] And his cast, if I believe I'm remembering correctly was, I, I heard it was Ron Croman

[00:08:09] as the comedian, John Cusack as Night Owl.

[00:08:12] Great.

[00:08:13] Hilary Swank as silk specter.

[00:08:15] Simon Pegas Rorschach.

[00:08:18] That one was weird.

[00:08:20] Yeah.

[00:08:21] Maybe he'd be okay.

[00:08:22] I don't know.

[00:08:23] Yeah.

[00:08:24] Who's Dr. Minham?

[00:08:25] I don't remember.

[00:08:26] It doesn't matter.

[00:08:27] Anyway, didn't happen.

[00:08:28] Whatever.

[00:08:29] And then pretty quickly it got handed over to Zack Snyder.

[00:08:30] I think with this idea that like, here's a guy who's made a comic book movie.

[00:08:34] Yeah.

[00:08:35] That's rated R and is super, you know, high production value.

[00:08:38] And he's done it well and it's been a hit.

[00:08:40] He was on Watchmen before 300 came out because I remember distinctly.

[00:08:44] No, no, no, no.

[00:08:45] We don't have enough time to argue these cement.

[00:08:47] We're going to talk about it.

[00:08:48] No, no, no, no.

[00:08:49] Because I think I just think they knew.

[00:08:50] They knew.

[00:08:51] They knew through all his movies.

[00:08:52] But this, this is what I want to say.

[00:08:53] Okay.

[00:08:54] Watchmen always been this thing that people, studios were buying it.

[00:08:56] It was in turn around.

[00:08:57] It went through like four different studios, right?

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] And everyone like wanted to make it because it was so well acclaimed.

[00:09:04] But then the studios would look at him be like, how are we going to fucking make a movie out of this?

[00:09:08] It's R-rated.

[00:09:09] It doesn't have action scenes.

[00:09:10] It's really expensive.

[00:09:11] It's for adults.

[00:09:12] It's crazy.

[00:09:13] It's not a franchise starter.

[00:09:14] It's a one off, right?

[00:09:15] And so these big directors would come on and I'd say to my friends like, I think

[00:09:17] there are enough to make it this time.

[00:09:18] It's like, it's not going to get made.

[00:09:19] It never gets made.

[00:09:20] Watchmen never gets made.

[00:09:21] And Zack Snyder, like the timing was just right.

[00:09:24] He was the guy in development on it at the time that 300 was coming out.

[00:09:28] And 300 was so big that he immediately went, that's what I'm doing.

[00:09:31] I'm cashing in everything on this.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:34] And he got it made exactly the way he wanted to.

[00:09:36] Which was in terms of plot and dialogue and look and setting pretty faithful to Alan Moore's comic book.

[00:09:45] But thoughtingly literal.

[00:09:47] Yeah, no, totally blue.

[00:09:48] Super superficial.

[00:09:49] You know, like Alan Moore comic book is set in the 80s.

[00:09:51] Like in a sort of weird and he made that happen.

[00:09:54] He did like fucking frame by frame recreation.

[00:09:55] Like Green Grass is supposedly was set in the present day or whatever.

[00:09:58] You know, like there were other scripts that had changed things or whatever.

[00:10:01] Yes.

[00:10:02] Apart from the ending of the movie which he tweaks, Snyder basically made the comic book.

[00:10:07] And the framing of a lot of the images is like identical.

[00:10:10] Which is something a tricky had pulled off in 300.

[00:10:13] Right.

[00:10:14] You know, and he did it again.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:17] We'll talk about Watchmen.

[00:10:18] It's a bad movie.

[00:10:19] Then he has a couple big flops.

[00:10:20] And it doesn't make a huge amount of money but it's not like a total bomb.

[00:10:23] It was a huge disappointment because the trailer played before Dark Knight,

[00:10:27] which was really sort of this apex moment of like superhero cinema.

[00:10:30] People went bananas for the trailer.

[00:10:32] All these people would never read the comic book.

[00:10:34] I just thought it looked cool.

[00:10:35] Right.

[00:10:36] Right?

[00:10:37] Because it was a cool trailer.

[00:10:38] It was fine.

[00:10:39] I'm saying it was a quote unquote cool.

[00:10:41] And it was from the visionary director of 300.

[00:10:44] Right.

[00:10:45] And you were seeing a serious Batman movie.

[00:10:46] That's what the tagline was.

[00:10:47] Yeah.

[00:10:48] And they thought it was going to do like crazy numbers.

[00:10:51] It did 50 million opening weekend, which at the time was viewed as sort of a disappointment.

[00:10:55] Yeah.

[00:10:56] It was like, okay.

[00:10:57] Because it had a big Friday to Saturday drop off.

[00:10:59] Yeah.

[00:11:00] And then it ended around 100.

[00:11:01] Right.

[00:11:02] So it like doubled its opening weekend.

[00:11:03] The next weekend it did like a 70% drop.

[00:11:05] Right?

[00:11:06] Yeah.

[00:11:07] And then you know, it cost like 130 to make.

[00:11:09] I don't think it was a huge hit overseas.

[00:11:10] You know, it did its thing.

[00:11:11] It wasn't like a disaster.

[00:11:12] It probably did well enough on home video but it was a disappointment.

[00:11:15] Right?

[00:11:16] Then Sucker Punch, which they were so bullish on Watchmen.

[00:11:20] And he'd been making like the whole, like he'd been making it before.

[00:11:23] He made it.

[00:11:24] That's a thing.

[00:11:25] He was like preemptively cashing a second blank check off of the success of Watchmen.

[00:11:29] No.

[00:11:30] Sucker Punch is the most blank checky movie he ever made because it's an original idea.

[00:11:35] It's bug fuck nuts.

[00:11:36] Yeah.

[00:11:37] It's not good either but it's probably better than Watchmen.

[00:11:41] I have not seen it.

[00:11:43] Anyway.

[00:11:44] But when he announced Sucker Punch, he had a cast that was like the five best young

[00:11:47] actresses and after Watchmen came out.

[00:11:49] They all dropped out.

[00:11:50] Do you know the original cast?

[00:11:52] Because I was going to say like Genom alone was the real cast.

[00:11:55] No, no, no, no.

[00:11:56] The original cast of Sucker Punch, I believe was Emma Stone, Mia Vasakowska.

[00:12:00] Oh shit.

[00:12:01] I think Genom alone was the one he had.

[00:12:03] Kind of the A-list of like sort of actresses around 25.

[00:12:07] But he had the five actresses you would want to get in that age range.

[00:12:10] And then all of them dropped out of for Watchmen.

[00:12:12] He still got a ton of money to make it.

[00:12:14] It was a huge financial disaster simultaneously with directing.

[00:12:18] But Oscar Isaacson.

[00:12:19] Yeah.

[00:12:20] Simultaneously while directing Sucker Punch, he is directing an animated film

[00:12:23] despite having no background in animation.

[00:12:25] Legends of the Guardians, Colin the Owls of Gauhoulll!

[00:12:29] That's the name of the movie.

[00:12:31] You have to say it like that.

[00:12:32] Is it about just owls?

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:35] It's about Australian owls.

[00:12:36] What?

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] Do you remember this movie?

[00:12:39] It's very pretty.

[00:12:40] It's part of different warrior clans.

[00:12:41] No, it looks nice.

[00:12:42] It's nice looking owls.

[00:12:43] They're fighting owls.

[00:12:44] It's like an owl with, it's like red wall with owls.

[00:12:46] It's a series of young fantasy novels.

[00:12:48] Correct.

[00:12:49] That is weird.

[00:12:50] Yeah, it's called Legend of the Guardians.

[00:12:52] The Owls of Gauhoulll!

[00:12:55] That one was actually a moderate success.

[00:12:57] I mean, but that costs a lot of money, that movie.

[00:13:00] They also wanted to make like seven of them.

[00:13:02] Like that's a franchise.

[00:13:03] That's so weird.

[00:13:04] You know?

[00:13:05] That's why they started with the Legends of the Guardian

[00:13:07] because it was going to be like...

[00:13:08] Legends, yeah, it was going to be called like

[00:13:09] Guardians of Gauhoulll and then they decided,

[00:13:11] no, let's get a colon in it.

[00:13:12] Right, so we can franchise it.

[00:13:13] So we can make different titles.

[00:13:14] Anyway.

[00:13:15] It's kind of on the outs.

[00:13:16] Like he's kind of on it.

[00:13:17] What you would think of as a downward swing

[00:13:19] and maybe you'd think like, oh, like Hollywood

[00:13:21] maybe is caught onto the fact that this guy's thing

[00:13:23] doesn't always work money-wise.

[00:13:25] And Warner Brothers has now lost a good amount of money on him.

[00:13:28] Very true.

[00:13:29] All of his movies except for Dawn of the Dead

[00:13:30] were made for Warner Brothers.

[00:13:31] Yes.

[00:13:32] But you know what?

[00:13:33] Warner Brothers is still probably like 300 though.

[00:13:35] Yeah.

[00:13:36] You know, and that is the blank check.

[00:13:37] Classic blank check situation.

[00:13:38] So Christopher Nolan's done with his Dark Knight trilogy.

[00:13:42] Yeah.

[00:13:43] And Warner Brothers is like, hey, do you want to make like

[00:13:45] Superman movies for us?

[00:13:46] Like ProduceM?

[00:13:47] Like whatever.

[00:13:48] We just need your name.

[00:13:49] We just love you, Chris Nolan.

[00:13:50] Like please don't leave us.

[00:13:51] Oh my God, what are we going to do without you?

[00:13:53] He sits down with David Goyer and they over-

[00:13:55] The great Satan of superhero films.

[00:13:57] They talk for like an hour and a half.

[00:13:59] And they walk out and they go,

[00:14:01] we think we have an interesting like basic nugget

[00:14:03] of a Superman movie.

[00:14:04] Yeah, their basic nugget was,

[00:14:06] what if Superman, what if we did like a Superman movie

[00:14:10] where he's Superman?

[00:14:11] That's the idea.

[00:14:12] Like what the fuck?

[00:14:13] Like what was their nugget?

[00:14:14] I think their nugget was,

[00:14:15] what if you really play up the alien thing

[00:14:18] and it's about him trying to figure out whether or not

[00:14:20] the world needs Superman.

[00:14:21] Yeah, what a stupid idea.

[00:14:24] They go to Warner Brothers,

[00:14:26] Christopher Nolan pretty much is hands off from that point.

[00:14:28] Yeah, Nolan writes, he's a story credit.

[00:14:30] He's a producer and he picks Zack Snyder.

[00:14:33] Okay, so a little backstory here.

[00:14:36] Because boy, we now had enough of that.

[00:14:39] There was a-

[00:14:40] Did you remember the beginning of this podcast?

[00:14:41] How bad it was?

[00:14:42] No one's listening.

[00:14:43] Go ahead.

[00:14:44] No, I cut all of that out.

[00:14:45] Oh good.

[00:14:46] This is the start.

[00:14:47] Hey everybody.

[00:14:48] So there was a long standing lawsuit.

[00:14:50] Lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit.

[00:14:52] There's case-

[00:14:53] Oh, about Jerry Siegel and about the creators of Superman.

[00:14:55] The estates of the creator of Superman.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:58] And at the point in time when Nolan came to them

[00:15:00] and said, I think I have an idea for how to reinvent Superman,

[00:15:03] they looked to be losing that battle.

[00:15:06] Schuster and Siegel had come up with a really good case.

[00:15:09] And Warner Brothers strategy was-

[00:15:11] David, every time we do these one-offs, he gets so mad at you.

[00:15:16] It's just hilarious.

[00:15:17] It's just like what the fuck-

[00:15:18] This frustration throughout the recording just builds and builds.

[00:15:20] We're not-

[00:15:21] All right, just go ahead.

[00:15:22] Go ahead.

[00:15:23] Someone was recently telling me that they had just listened.

[00:15:24] I just wanted to make sure, yeah, the audience knows that

[00:15:26] while Griffin is giving like some interesting points-

[00:15:29] David, it's just you and me.

[00:15:30] He's just like-

[00:15:31] I'm just doing the wrap it up sign.

[00:15:33] Okay, Jerry Schuster, but they lose.

[00:15:36] But it looks like they're going to win.

[00:15:38] They at that moment, they lost later.

[00:15:41] They had that moment and said we have to rush the Superman movie

[00:15:43] into production in the next year.

[00:15:44] Because it was like Warner Brothers was going to lose the rights to Superman.

[00:15:47] Was that it?

[00:15:48] Like what was it?

[00:15:49] Or like it was going to cost them too much or something?

[00:15:51] The case-

[00:15:52] Okay, this is what's kind of fascinating.

[00:15:54] Boy, why did I ask?

[00:15:55] What am I doing?

[00:15:56] They ended up splitting.

[00:15:58] So their case was like we own DC, like the DC Comics franchise

[00:16:02] and thus we get Superman.

[00:16:03] They broke down these Schuster and Siegel estates,

[00:16:07] broke down all the elements that were present in the first issue

[00:16:11] and we're like okay, we own the rights to red cape

[00:16:14] and this and that.

[00:16:15] They like broke down elements of the character.

[00:16:17] So it was going to be stripped in half.

[00:16:19] Which was also a big part of the new 52 DC redesign

[00:16:23] with the new suit so that they couldn't lay claim to the suit.

[00:16:26] If they made a new film before the trial that they thought

[00:16:31] they were going to lose,

[00:16:32] they would be able to make sequels to that film.

[00:16:34] They could do whatever they wanted.

[00:16:35] Yes, because that would have been established.

[00:16:37] They have the toehold.

[00:16:38] Where other directors were interested.

[00:16:39] Aaron Ofsky was apparently very interested in doing Man of Steel.

[00:16:42] He would have made a terrible movie.

[00:16:43] He said I think-

[00:16:44] He would have done dog shit.

[00:16:45] He said I think the script isn't good.

[00:16:46] I think it needs a couple rewrites.

[00:16:47] And Warner Brothers said fuck you,

[00:16:48] we need to be in production in the next eight months.

[00:16:50] Because the script was by Goyer.

[00:16:51] Yeah.

[00:16:52] Just Goyer.

[00:16:53] But it was like a first draft and they needed to go.

[00:16:55] So they offered a bunch of people.

[00:16:56] Everyone was like the script is not ready.

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:59] And then they go to Zack Snyder

[00:17:00] and they're like this guy is a good visual stylist.

[00:17:02] But I think Nolan was into him.

[00:17:04] I think so too.

[00:17:05] Which hurts my feelings.

[00:17:06] Mine too.

[00:17:07] Because I really like Christopher Nolan.

[00:17:09] I think they felt like they were going to keep him on a tighter leash for that film.

[00:17:14] Sure.

[00:17:15] And that's when he is on a relatively tight leash.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:17] Relatively.

[00:17:18] Yeah.

[00:17:19] And I think they also thought like this guy knows how to make a movie this size.

[00:17:22] He's comfortable with this sort of scale and this sort of technology.

[00:17:25] We got to get this film made.

[00:17:26] He makes Man of Steel.

[00:17:27] Yeah.

[00:17:28] It's kind of a bomb.

[00:17:31] It does well.

[00:17:32] Domestically it makes 300 million domestically.

[00:17:35] 291.

[00:17:36] Okay.

[00:17:37] It's not good.

[00:17:38] That's not bad.

[00:17:40] It's 2013 in the middle of the sort of Marvel era.

[00:17:43] You know, it's like not great.

[00:17:44] A Man of Steel comes out.

[00:17:45] We were just getting to know each other.

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:48] And we were both real pumped up because the trailer was great.

[00:17:50] I think the trailer is great.

[00:17:51] And I will say this.

[00:17:52] I do think the final trailer for Man of Steel.

[00:17:55] You have made this joke so many times.

[00:17:56] Is the best Superman movie ever made.

[00:17:58] It's a good trailer.

[00:17:59] But we're not going to do Man of Steel.

[00:18:01] It's a good thing that we're doing Batman vs Superman here.

[00:18:03] But at least, you know, we should say, comes out, does okay.

[00:18:06] They're a little disappointed.

[00:18:07] People don't like it, but they don't hate it.

[00:18:09] It doesn't catch fire.

[00:18:10] It doesn't get great reviews.

[00:18:11] It's not, you know, it's not despised.

[00:18:13] Henry Cavill is Superman.

[00:18:14] It's fine.

[00:18:15] It's disliked.

[00:18:16] There's like nothing in it that anyone was like, well I liked that.

[00:18:18] Warner Brothers thought people were going to love it.

[00:18:20] Yes, they did.

[00:18:21] And there's one thing everyone hated.

[00:18:23] Most everyone hated.

[00:18:24] Which is that the movie ends with Superman fighting General Zod, played by Michael Shannon.

[00:18:28] And they fucking smash a city into smithereens and then you like snap Zod's neck.

[00:18:32] It's a lot of destruction.

[00:18:34] And it's like, oh look how cool these buildings are being blown up.

[00:18:36] Not considering how many people are dying.

[00:18:38] Now I will say there is literally no Superman movie that has a good ending.

[00:18:42] Great.

[00:18:43] The first Superman which is an excellent film, Richard Donner Superman,

[00:18:47] where he revolves the earth backwards to go back in time.

[00:18:50] Right.

[00:18:51] And how does Superman do it?

[00:18:52] I mean, they kill General Zod.

[00:18:53] They drop him off a cliff or whatever.

[00:18:55] Yeah.

[00:18:56] Forget the other three and four and all that.

[00:18:58] And then Superman returns like, okay he lifts a giant kryptonite continent and throws it into space.

[00:19:03] The last scene of that movie is Superman hovering outside his illegitimate love child's bedroom.

[00:19:11] Well this is an element of the movie that a lot of people were confused by.

[00:19:15] Like watching his sleeping son.

[00:19:16] And Lois is like, where are you going?

[00:19:18] And he's like, I'll be around.

[00:19:20] Yeah, what a strange movie.

[00:19:21] It ends with him being like, I'm gonna be looking after my son.

[00:19:23] But I'm saying like, there's no set piece.

[00:19:25] They never quite figured out how to do a Superman set because he's hard.

[00:19:27] He's hard to do.

[00:19:28] He's a hard character.

[00:19:29] He's a hard character to dramatize because you can only beat him one way with kryptonite.

[00:19:34] And then the kryptonite just kind of makes him fall over.

[00:19:36] The film it looked like they were making was a guy with immense power who is innately good and cares about others.

[00:19:44] But doesn't believe in taking on the mantle of Superman.

[00:19:48] Doesn't believe in positioning himself as a god like that.

[00:19:50] We can't talk about that.

[00:19:51] We can't talk about Man of Steel.

[00:19:52] Just for the listeners at home, David is getting more upset.

[00:19:55] We gotta talk about the actual movie we're here to talk about.

[00:19:58] Right.

[00:19:59] The move Man of Steel isn't great.

[00:20:00] Nonetheless, they sign up to Axe Knight or First Equal.

[00:20:03] They sign up Henry Cavill for a sequel.

[00:20:04] Well, no, but here's the thing.

[00:20:05] They were like, we're gonna make Man of Steel 2.

[00:20:07] The day before Comic Con, the DC panel, they were like, what are we gonna fucking do?

[00:20:13] Really?

[00:20:14] I don't know.

[00:20:15] People want Man of Steel 2.

[00:20:16] That's what I've heard.

[00:20:17] So at Comic Con, like three years ago, like almost.

[00:20:20] It was 2013.

[00:20:21] A month after Man of Steel had come out.

[00:20:23] It was right after Man of Steel.

[00:20:24] Glad you all liked Man of Steel or whatever.

[00:20:26] We got a sequel coming out.

[00:20:27] It's really early.

[00:20:28] It announced the title of the sequel, which we've got, or whatever, plays a little real.

[00:20:33] He had after Harry Lennox come out and read an excerpt from The Dark Knight Returns.

[00:20:38] Yeah, and they had like the logo.

[00:20:41] And there'd always been this chat of what are they gonna do with Batman?

[00:20:43] The Nolan movies are done.

[00:20:44] They're gonna need a new Batman movie.

[00:20:46] So I think DC was just like...

[00:20:47] The Nolan movies are done as of a year ago at that point.

[00:20:49] Yeah, at that point.

[00:20:50] And DC's just like, let's just do it.

[00:20:52] Batman vs Superman, which was an idea they had had before the Nolan movies.

[00:20:56] Wolfgang Peterson was gonna make it.

[00:20:58] Colin Farrell was gonna be Batman.

[00:20:59] I love Colin Farrell.

[00:21:00] I love him to death.

[00:21:01] He'd be a horrible Batman.

[00:21:02] Terrible.

[00:21:03] Anyway.

[00:21:04] So, and then they announced like Ben Affleck's gonna be in it.

[00:21:06] Bad Flak.

[00:21:07] And he's gonna be older.

[00:21:09] And then they're like, oh you know what?

[00:21:11] Wonder Woman's gonna be in it.

[00:21:13] Gal Gadot or however you say her name.

[00:21:15] Gal Gadot.

[00:21:16] Gal Gadot from the Furious movies.

[00:21:18] And then they're like, and Cyborg.

[00:21:20] And you're like, wait what the fuck's going on in this movie?

[00:21:22] And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:24] And Holly Hunter's in it.

[00:21:26] They just start kind of like announcing a lot of stuff.

[00:21:29] And then DC announces...

[00:21:30] And you're like, this is all gonna be in one movie?

[00:21:32] DC announces this super aggressive slate coming between 2016 and 2020.

[00:21:38] So basically like within one movie.

[00:21:41] Yeah.

[00:21:42] They are trying to do what Marvel did in five movies.

[00:21:45] Yes.

[00:21:46] They built it over Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Avengers.

[00:21:50] You know, built out this world.

[00:21:52] They started adding Batman vs Superman is gonna do it all at once.

[00:21:55] Like remember...

[00:21:56] Everyone's gonna be in it.

[00:21:57] They're just gonna get it all started like boom.

[00:21:59] Remember that solo one-off movie that you guys weren't that crazy about?

[00:22:02] Yeah.

[00:22:03] Remember that movie that was badly received and not a huge hit?

[00:22:06] They were like...

[00:22:07] They're not doubling down.

[00:22:09] It's like they're at the Blackjack table and they're betting like their children's future.

[00:22:13] Right.

[00:22:14] A Cyborg movie coming in 2020.

[00:22:15] Yeah.

[00:22:16] So the official slate is Suicide Squad, which is out in July.

[00:22:19] Right.

[00:22:20] June.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:22] August, sorry.

[00:22:23] Yeah.

[00:22:24] I got it.

[00:22:25] Oh boy.

[00:22:26] Wonder Woman, which is out next June.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:28] 2017.

[00:22:29] Justice League One, which is out November.

[00:22:31] Aquaman in July 2018.

[00:22:33] Untitled film in October 2018.

[00:22:36] Okay.

[00:22:37] Which might be a Batman movie.

[00:22:39] Yeah.

[00:22:40] Which Affleck would write and direct as the theory at this point.

[00:22:43] Shazam in 2019.

[00:22:44] I believe with The Rock, Justice League Part 2 in July, June 2019.

[00:22:49] Yeah.

[00:22:50] Untitled film in the...

[00:22:53] So they have two untitled films on this slate.

[00:22:56] Who the fuck is Cyborg?

[00:22:57] He's a guy.

[00:22:58] He's a Cyborg.

[00:22:59] These characters are all shitty.

[00:23:01] Well, I think...

[00:23:02] DC should give up.

[00:23:03] That's my two cents.

[00:23:04] You know, DC almost made a Justice League movie.

[00:23:06] Warner Bros only made a Justice League movie before the writing strike.

[00:23:08] With George Miller.

[00:23:09] Yeah, but with just about the worst cast you could possibly imagine.

[00:23:13] I think half of that cast was not bad.

[00:23:15] I will say also Batman's great, but all the other characters suck.

[00:23:18] I like Superman.

[00:23:19] I like Flash.

[00:23:20] I like the Flash shoot.

[00:23:21] I like the DC character sign.

[00:23:22] I like Wonder Woman.

[00:23:23] I like Flash and Batman.

[00:23:24] I'm not crazy about the Ali.

[00:23:25] They're all so literal.

[00:23:28] This is the weirdest episode we've ever done.

[00:23:31] God.

[00:23:32] This is a question of all our worst habits in one episode.

[00:23:35] It's bad habits.

[00:23:36] We have to just stop mansplaining fucking comic books.

[00:23:39] It's bad.

[00:23:40] It's bad, but I mean it is crazy though.

[00:23:43] Here's the thing, we're less explaining this to explain it to you and more like...

[00:23:48] I still can't believe it so I have to state it out loud.

[00:23:50] It's so weird.

[00:23:51] That they went about this this way.

[00:23:53] No one wants to see a Cyborg movie.

[00:23:55] No one.

[00:23:56] Cyborg.

[00:23:57] And they found a guy on Broadway and they were like,

[00:23:59] you were signing into a five picture deal.

[00:24:01] You're gonna be Cyborg.

[00:24:02] What I was gonna say was they clearly, you know, they're dumb as shit,

[00:24:06] but they're wise enough to realize like,

[00:24:08] we should maybe have like, you know, we have Wonder Woman, that's nice.

[00:24:10] We have, you know, because a lot of Marvel complaints

[00:24:12] that they've never made a film with a female lead.

[00:24:14] Yes.

[00:24:15] The George Miller movie was gonna have a black Green Lantern

[00:24:17] because there is John Stuart who's a black Green Lantern.

[00:24:19] Common White Woman was a good casting choice.

[00:24:21] That was a terrible casting choice.

[00:24:22] I think it was...

[00:24:23] No, it was literally, it was the definition of them being like,

[00:24:25] oh, we need a black guy.

[00:24:26] Who's around?

[00:24:27] Like, I mean like, common he's a bizarre choice.

[00:24:29] I think he would have done a good job.

[00:24:30] He's a bad actor.

[00:24:31] I like him as an actor.

[00:24:33] Right?

[00:24:34] He's alright.

[00:24:35] He's just not like a great actor.

[00:24:36] He's not a great actor.

[00:24:37] I think he's good.

[00:24:38] And, uh...

[00:24:39] He was good in Run All Night.

[00:24:40] Did you see Run All Night?

[00:24:41] I didn't.

[00:24:42] So maybe, you know, maybe I just haven't judged Common Fair.

[00:24:44] Yeah, you haven't watched the bad movies.

[00:24:45] He's good in...

[00:24:46] But Armie Hammer was gonna play Batman.

[00:24:50] That's much better than DJ Katrina as Superman.

[00:24:53] I mean, I don't even know who that is.

[00:24:55] He played Flint in G.I. Joe Retaliation,

[00:24:58] and he was a black hole of charisma.

[00:25:00] So this was the George Miller movie that didn't have a Black Eyes.

[00:25:02] Making Gale's Good Choice, uh, what's his name?

[00:25:04] Ben just checked his watch.

[00:25:05] So, Immortan Joe is gonna play Martian Manhunter.

[00:25:09] Guys, this is a garbage episode.

[00:25:11] Immortan Joe.

[00:25:12] Alright, alright, let's just...

[00:25:13] The Snyder movie is set up as basically like,

[00:25:16] let's get the whole Justice League, you know,

[00:25:19] going in one movie.

[00:25:20] Bigger bummer.

[00:25:21] So here's this movie.

[00:25:22] Yeah.

[00:25:23] Batman v Superman, Dawn of Justice.

[00:25:25] Yeah, okay, so first of all, that's the title.

[00:25:27] That's the title.

[00:25:28] First it was gonna be called Batman vs Superman,

[00:25:30] which is the, like, sort of like the Supreme Court version.

[00:25:33] What?

[00:25:34] I don't know.

[00:25:35] Jack Snyder had some line where it was like...

[00:25:36] Jack Snyder said in an interview, like,

[00:25:37] I wanna, like, turn everyone's expectations at every step.

[00:25:40] So you think you know what you're getting,

[00:25:42] you have to look closer and realize,

[00:25:43] oh, this is a little different than I thought.

[00:25:45] That was his explanation of the V.

[00:25:47] Here's another thing.

[00:25:48] Some people were gonna see the trailer and go

[00:25:50] Batman vs Superman, eh, eh, I don't know.

[00:25:52] That's not my kind of thing.

[00:25:53] And then Dawn of Justice fades in, they go,

[00:25:55] oh, interesting, now I think I'll buy a ticket.

[00:25:57] Also, Justice is not Dawn in this movie.

[00:26:00] No.

[00:26:01] No.

[00:26:02] It dies.

[00:26:03] And I guess at the end they're like,

[00:26:05] maybe we should have Justice League.

[00:26:06] And one of them's like, you know, I don't know.

[00:26:07] Well he goes like, you still have that thumb drive

[00:26:09] with the YouTube videos of some other people?

[00:26:11] This movie is so bad.

[00:26:13] And like, everything about this movie doesn't work.

[00:26:16] Now there's an important element that we need to set up.

[00:26:18] The poet Lori and I went to see this film together.

[00:26:20] Yes, now I unfortunately did not join them.

[00:26:22] I really wanted to.

[00:26:23] You went to a critic's screening.

[00:26:24] We talked about it.

[00:26:25] I went to a critic's screening with Katie Rich,

[00:26:26] past guest was sitting with me,

[00:26:27] and we had a grand old time when the flash showed up,

[00:26:31] which is what about an hour in somewhere around there?

[00:26:34] Yeah, this was also like two hours and 45 minutes.

[00:26:36] Oh, it's long.

[00:26:37] When the flash showed up, talking about,

[00:26:39] oh Superman maybe really is bad or whatever.

[00:26:41] He's wearing a robot suit that rips off to reveal

[00:26:44] maybe a flash.

[00:26:46] Oh, that was the flash.

[00:26:47] Yeah, there you go.

[00:26:49] There you go.

[00:26:50] That's the kind of reaction people had.

[00:26:52] The only major reaction in the whole film was to that scene

[00:26:55] when it was over, everyone just went like,

[00:26:57] like I don't know how else to describe it.

[00:27:00] And let's set up once again.

[00:27:02] That's when he lost us, I'll put it that way.

[00:27:04] That scene is a dream in a dream of Batman in the future

[00:27:08] wearing a duster and goggles, fist fighting parademons.

[00:27:12] Yeah, he's fist fighting basically dragonfly cops.

[00:27:14] I don't know how else to describe it.

[00:27:16] And like guys dressed in like Superman armor with guns.

[00:27:19] And then Batman like wakes up at the back computer

[00:27:22] and is like, oh bad dream.

[00:27:24] Bad dream.

[00:27:25] And then he looks over.

[00:27:26] Bad bad dream.

[00:27:27] He looks over and then the flash comes out of like

[00:27:29] and time whole yells a bunch of shit at him including,

[00:27:31] I'm too early aren't I?

[00:27:32] Right.

[00:27:33] I'm too early.

[00:27:34] That is incomprehensible.

[00:27:35] You can't hear it.

[00:27:36] The way it's mixed you cannot understand.

[00:27:37] And yet both of these sequences seem to be designed

[00:27:39] to set up like future movies.

[00:27:41] Yup.

[00:27:42] You know, like there's this DC villain dark side

[00:27:44] and he's got those fucking dragonfly cops

[00:27:47] and shit.

[00:27:48] Parademons here.

[00:27:49] Fucking dog shit.

[00:27:51] Stupid.

[00:27:52] I'm sorry, there's the bigger thing we were setting up.

[00:27:54] Yeah, you saw the MC prime and his lap.

[00:27:56] Oh, the MC prime was very loud.

[00:27:58] The Hawes and I sat down in our seats, right?

[00:28:02] And to believe it's at the Union Square.

[00:28:04] Correct.

[00:28:05] Regal.

[00:28:06] Yeah.

[00:28:07] Right.

[00:28:08] They've renovated the whole thing so it's like less seats now

[00:28:09] but each seat is like a little console.

[00:28:10] And it's like, honey, I shrugged the audience.

[00:28:12] How much does it cost?

[00:28:13] $28.

[00:28:14] Oh my God.

[00:28:15] It's worth every penny.

[00:28:17] And this is coming from a guy who didn't have to pay

[00:28:19] for his ticket because I bought it.

[00:28:20] But it is worth every penny.

[00:28:22] Worth every, every Griffin's,

[00:28:24] Griffin's penny.

[00:28:25] But here's the thing when you sit down.

[00:28:27] I thought you were going to say 25.

[00:28:29] 25 would have been totally fine.

[00:28:32] On the armrest, it says, you got an option.

[00:28:36] You have one control.

[00:28:37] Water, on or off?

[00:28:38] Wait, water?

[00:28:39] On or off.

[00:28:40] Me and Griffin, we like to get a little wet.

[00:28:42] We got a little wet.

[00:28:44] Got a little soaked.

[00:28:46] So we sit there in these chairs, right?

[00:28:48] Uh-huh.

[00:28:49] Uh-huh.

[00:28:50] The moment the film starts, it opens with,

[00:28:52] because here's the thing I don't know if people know,

[00:28:54] okay?

[00:28:55] Batman's parents were killed.

[00:28:56] Oh God.

[00:28:57] So the movie opens with Batman's parents being killed.

[00:29:00] Yeah, played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan of Watchmen and

[00:29:03] Walking Dead.

[00:29:04] Uh, the, uh-

[00:29:06] They're killed in fetishistic throwback fashion.

[00:29:11] He's got a big porno mustache.

[00:29:12] They just saw like Excalibur,

[00:29:14] but it's almost like they just saw like

[00:29:16] Exorcist 3 or something like that.

[00:29:17] Right.

[00:29:18] Because now Batman is like, it's 2016.

[00:29:20] So when he was a kid, it was like Times Square

[00:29:22] porno theater for the whole fucking thing

[00:29:24] like you can't have gone to the opera anymore, you know?

[00:29:27] Right.

[00:29:28] Uh, it's also shot like a Dior commercial.

[00:29:30] It's such shit.

[00:29:31] Like there's like a slow motion shot of her pearls like

[00:29:33] popping.

[00:29:34] You get caught on the barrel of the handgun

[00:29:36] and then like pop off.

[00:29:38] Um, this is done as like a montagey thing, right?

[00:29:40] So they're intercutting between that moment

[00:29:42] in slow motion and like him at the funeral

[00:29:44] and like looking at the grave.

[00:29:46] Sure.

[00:29:47] And he's running and he falls into a hole in the back.

[00:29:49] Oh, the bats lift him up.

[00:29:50] Okay, so for the moment this starts.

[00:29:52] This is 4DX is being described to me here.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:55] From the jump.

[00:29:56] A little rumbling.

[00:29:57] Okay, so it's just like a rumble.

[00:29:58] Well, from the opening, it was like

[00:30:01] a disorientation thing.

[00:30:03] Like it was like swaying from side to side

[00:30:05] so you feel emotionally how Bruce feels

[00:30:07] when his parents are dead.

[00:30:08] He doesn't know which way is up anymore.

[00:30:10] I swear to you.

[00:30:11] Or even like they had like a aerial shot

[00:30:14] that you like kind of tip into it a little bit.

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:17] So you feel like you're looking down.

[00:30:18] Okay, all right.

[00:30:19] All right.

[00:30:20] So it's like a little bit of a rumbling

[00:30:22] or a start or whatever, but it's like

[00:30:24] it's supposed to be geared towards this particular movie.

[00:30:26] Yeah.

[00:30:27] And then some fog comes in because it's a foggy day.

[00:30:29] So now where does the fog come from?

[00:30:31] Is the chair shooting in at you or is it just a general?

[00:30:33] No, no, that okay.

[00:30:34] So that's in front of the screen.

[00:30:35] Okay.

[00:30:36] Because there's like...

[00:30:37] You know what I love?

[00:30:38] Fog.

[00:30:39] Yeah.

[00:30:40] It's my viewing experience.

[00:30:41] But they also like this fog has a versatility

[00:30:43] because it also functions as smoke.

[00:30:45] Yeah, sure.

[00:30:46] You know so when there's like fire.

[00:30:47] If there's a fire.

[00:30:48] We're watching the movie

[00:30:49] and we're looking down on the screen

[00:30:50] and then 3D images behind that.

[00:30:52] So it's like a weird layering thing.

[00:30:54] Uh-huh.

[00:30:55] Now here's another thing.

[00:30:56] Okay.

[00:30:57] Let's say Batman does a little burnout.

[00:30:58] In the Batmobile?

[00:31:00] Yeah.

[00:31:01] In the Batmobile.

[00:31:02] Smells like...

[00:31:03] Burnt rubber.

[00:31:04] Okay, so they have smello vision experience.

[00:31:06] Finally.

[00:31:07] And that's like the chair in front of you

[00:31:09] is spritzing stuff.

[00:31:10] Okay.

[00:31:11] But you don't hear anything.

[00:31:12] So you're like...

[00:31:13] You think sometimes, especially in a movie like this,

[00:31:14] there were a couple moments

[00:31:15] where you're disappointed with

[00:31:16] where Batman's making eggs

[00:31:17] and you don't smell it.

[00:31:18] It was Superman makes eggs, not Batman.

[00:31:19] Sometimes they eat stuff

[00:31:20] and I'm thinking if you're going to hit all the senses,

[00:31:22] why not just have a little like a...

[00:31:24] Like a...

[00:31:25] Burger pop out in your face.

[00:31:26] Exactly.

[00:31:27] Yeah.

[00:31:28] It puts it in your mouth.

[00:31:29] Or if someone gets kissed in the movie.

[00:31:31] Yeah.

[00:31:32] Yeah, why doesn't the chair make out with you?

[00:31:34] Yeah.

[00:31:35] Oh but here's the thing that happens.

[00:31:36] Sometimes the chair punches you in the back.

[00:31:38] That?

[00:31:39] I don't like that.

[00:31:40] No, it hurt a lot.

[00:31:41] That sounds like a design flaw.

[00:31:42] There are like motors in the back

[00:31:43] that like pop out and hit you

[00:31:44] so you feel like that.

[00:31:46] And it's like rumbling and it's swirling.

[00:31:48] And then the smells are like,

[00:31:49] okay so there's like one fight

[00:31:50] that happens near a gas station?

[00:31:51] Okay.

[00:31:52] Just for a second go like...

[00:31:53] Is there like a gas leak in this?

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:56] Jesus.

[00:31:57] Because all the scents in the film

[00:31:58] are like, they're not like,

[00:31:59] oh here's a strawberry field.

[00:32:00] It's not a good smelling movie.

[00:32:02] And there's so many moments to it.

[00:32:04] It's just like they haven't used

[00:32:05] the technology recently enough

[00:32:06] so let's just throw something in.

[00:32:08] Yeah right.

[00:32:09] Or like Superman's mother

[00:32:11] is taking the garbage out

[00:32:12] before she gets kidnapped.

[00:32:13] And the whole theater just smells like

[00:32:15] garbage.

[00:32:16] Are you serious?

[00:32:17] Yeah, I swear to you.

[00:32:18] That's insane.

[00:32:19] There was like a very distinct

[00:32:21] garbage bag smell

[00:32:24] but the only thing that you could control

[00:32:26] was water.

[00:32:27] And they rain on you

[00:32:28] from the top of the theater

[00:32:29] from the ceiling.

[00:32:31] They drop rain on your head.

[00:32:33] Like a lot?

[00:32:34] Yeah.

[00:32:35] You get pretty moist.

[00:32:36] They and I both put our hats back on

[00:32:37] and during the flash scene

[00:32:38] they plugged your ears.

[00:32:39] Two hands came out

[00:32:41] and put fingers in your ears.

[00:32:43] It was great.

[00:32:44] I had a black.

[00:32:45] So you would recommend 4DX experience.

[00:32:47] $28.

[00:32:48] $28.

[00:32:49] So are you going to see

[00:32:50] the Jungle Book in 4DX?

[00:32:52] By the time this episode comes up

[00:32:53] people will have seen it.

[00:32:54] I probably will have seen it

[00:32:55] four times.

[00:32:56] Jesus.

[00:32:57] Four DX times?

[00:32:58] Four DX times.

[00:32:59] Well if you see it four times

[00:33:00] you see it once in 4DX.

[00:33:01] I think I'm going to see it once

[00:33:02] in 4DX because I think that might

[00:33:03] have some nice smells

[00:33:04] and I might smell some naners.

[00:33:05] That's a better smelling movie.

[00:33:06] Some monkey poop.

[00:33:07] Yes.

[00:33:08] Yeah.

[00:33:09] I'm convinced that's

[00:33:10] the future though

[00:33:11] of movies.

[00:33:12] It was fun.

[00:33:13] You were so brave to run

[00:33:14] in the rain

[00:33:15] moving your chair,

[00:33:16] punching you

[00:33:17] kissing your chair.

[00:33:18] What if you're just seeing

[00:33:19] like a...

[00:33:20] what if you just see

[00:33:21] like a sad Indie movie

[00:33:22] about like you know

[00:33:23] two people who can't

[00:33:24] get along.

[00:33:25] I think hello my name is

[00:33:26] Doris.

[00:33:27] It's playing in 4DX.

[00:33:28] Yes in 4DX right now.

[00:33:29] Yes.

[00:33:30] So during any time

[00:33:31] that you see

[00:33:32] any time it's awkward

[00:33:33] you get punched in the back.

[00:33:36] It was I mean

[00:33:37] it was an interesting movie

[00:33:38] to experience

[00:33:39] as technology for the first

[00:33:40] time because like on

[00:33:41] one hand it

[00:33:42] from the right on the other hand it's sort of a terrible movie to watch with

[00:33:46] that technology because the movies two hours and forty five sure you get like

[00:33:49] battered I remember actually something that surprised me is um you couldn't

[00:33:53] smell Eisenberg's emoting no but um it's a great transition because like that

[00:34:00] you you could rent for an hour about a thing this movie fucked up and not

[00:34:04] even get to like Jesse Eisenberg's performance which is a real problem or

[00:34:07] like the integration of all the other Justice League people which is like a

[00:34:10] real problem talk about the Aquaman thing because I think that why go ahead

[00:34:15] because I Jason Momoa momoa I think it's a microcosm of everything the movie does

[00:34:20] wrong I agree yeah okay so Jason Momoa who was cast as Aquaman he's from Game of

[00:34:25] Thrones he's a great actor I love him everyone always makes fun of Aquaman

[00:34:28] that's why he was the subject of fish right but the idea is like he's kind

[00:34:32] of a herb yeah yeah he's kind of a narc he's like a underwater narc yeah he's

[00:34:39] like a jabroni so Snyder pushed that way further sure and he was like he's gonna

[00:34:44] be fucking like badass warrior guy right which I get I get it tribal tattoo

[00:34:48] got a trident he's covered in tattoos right okay they reveal him early on

[00:34:54] they cast him early like before the film started yes yes they were like

[00:34:59] here's what Aquaman looks like yes he's all over the merchandise right there's a

[00:35:03] ton of Aquaman shit out there fair enough like multiple t-shirts sure very toys

[00:35:08] what's your sizes they look at video files nothing just Wonder Woman Wonder

[00:35:13] Woman looks at video files on her computer on her Mac stolen from a

[00:35:16] thumb drive correct where there are different folders yet all branded by

[00:35:20] Lex Luthor Lex Luthor found these people he's been searching out super

[00:35:23] humans name them and put logos like design logos yes yeah for each of

[00:35:28] the folders right he clicks on the Aquaman photo folder and this is the

[00:35:33] third of four videos we're watching in this sequence right we're watching like

[00:35:36] we just sure you watch like flash like a really fun flash video at the start of

[00:35:40] like a website like we talked about last week right like the flash they hear it

[00:35:44] was a flash intro it was a video of the flash trying to stop a robbery

[00:35:49] convenience do you remember when Batman watches videos of Wonder Woman it's

[00:35:52] literally just her withdrawing money from an ATM yep great because literally

[00:35:56] it's like the movies like oh fuck we were gonna have Aquaman yep yep ah damn it

[00:36:02] yeah okay well alright can we just and they just sit down like Wonder Woman

[00:36:07] opens a YouTube video Aquaman is there so there is literally one shot literally

[00:36:12] like they just threw him in the water they were like just hold your breath

[00:36:15] okay we know we haven't figured out like the breathing apparatus his cheeks are

[00:36:18] like ballooning up he's holding his breath he's holding his breath like

[00:36:21] visibly holding his breath and it's a 15 second shot you see him pop up and

[00:36:25] like stick his trident and the guy backs away yeah and it's like that's that's it

[00:36:31] no that's you're gonna it's it's you couldn't even make him breathe properly

[00:36:34] you put so much thought into designing the character well to appear for one

[00:36:38] shot to merchandise this much and no one stopped him went like that's the

[00:36:41] number one the number one thing you got to pull up your point is me let's

[00:36:46] move on I'm stealing a observation from Devon for Archie here but in the

[00:36:49] flash video it's like he's in a convenience store he sees a guy take

[00:36:53] out a gun try to rob the guy and then suddenly the lights break yeah he like

[00:36:56] damages the store trying to stop the flash is gonna do any time he fucking

[00:37:00] walks anywhere runs anywhere and Devon for Archie's point was like so the guy

[00:37:03] was maybe gonna steal like 80 bucks on the register and now he's gonna cause

[00:37:07] like the flash has destroyed this convenience superman takes off I

[00:37:12] mean it's like a sonic boom is created and like people should basically be

[00:37:16] like blasted 10 feet away saxon inters like very obsessed with it each

[00:37:20] moment being like what's the coolest thing a character could do right now

[00:37:23] with no thought of like what actually we haven't even like the fucking cyborg

[00:37:27] thing word Joe Morton wait the cyber so I've got a torso over here I don't know

[00:37:32] what to do about it I'll check back in cut and he's like why have this weird

[00:37:36] glowing black box what would happen if I oh then he turns into a cyborg and

[00:37:41] then you cut away and Wonder Woman's just like huh the Aquaman thing is 15

[00:37:45] seconds the cyborg scene cyborg scenes like three minutes it's like a

[00:37:48] couple minutes yeah it's like a couple minutes of like the great Joe

[00:37:51] Morton having a good idea here connect several different where he has an alien

[00:37:56] box he turns it but torso into a cyborg mother box yeah yeah fuck this movie

[00:38:02] that's just another thing that happens in the movie that's really a problem is

[00:38:05] wrong with the movie it's wrong on a micro level and a macro correct yeah I

[00:38:09] just want to say this all right it's not your fault then I like no that was

[00:38:13] the first hey when the lights not your fault now he's doing a good will

[00:38:18] hunting reference Ben did that five times in a row the second the movie and

[00:38:21] it sounds fun the other thing that happened was he went I can't believe

[00:38:24] there wasn't anything after the credits and I went I can't because it was a

[00:38:27] fucking two and a half hours of credit forget it everything that happens in

[00:38:31] the movie feels like something that would happen after the credits of another

[00:38:34] movie okay so the movies called Batman vs Superman I'm sorry Batman V Superman

[00:38:38] Don of Justin yeah so that I'll just can I just the opening scene flashes

[00:38:43] back to Man of Steel ended but it's told from Bruce Wayne's perspective

[00:38:47] is he like rushes to Metropolis to try and like rescue his employees because

[00:38:51] they have an office I guess and it's yes it's this sort of heavily over done

[00:38:55] kind of 9 11 E it's a bucket of imagery but it's well done it's very well done

[00:38:59] yeah and like it's setting it's throwing down this marker of like okay

[00:39:03] here's where this animus would come from yes here's how he's upset I think

[00:39:06] it's great I think it's really really well done and there's there's a

[00:39:09] shot settling that actually it's it's Batman Ben Affleck Bruce Wayne looking

[00:39:14] up at his building yeah and lasers are matches what was happening in Man of

[00:39:20] Steel I don't even care about it but then yeah it's just a very scary image

[00:39:24] because you never see your superhero action from that side exactly that's what

[00:39:28] I liked about it and you there's just a brief shot where he sees like in the

[00:39:31] distance like a tiny Superman figure fighting a tiny Zod right like flying

[00:39:35] away but you know it's scary it's just this idea that like this must have been

[00:39:38] terrifying right and it's yes it's the movie trying to redress the balance

[00:39:42] after Man of Steel was maybe a little too you know gleeful about blowing up a

[00:39:46] city but it also immediately sets up good job good stakes I get why Batman would

[00:39:51] be scared of this guy that's your movie great just keep here's what you don't

[00:39:55] have the company line just do follow that lead yeah and you know then maybe

[00:39:59] you can have this movie here's what the movie then introduces okay Lex Luthor

[00:40:04] played by Jesse Eisenberg is like a tech CEO type who inexplicably wants to

[00:40:09] use kryptonite to destroy Superman but he wants Batman to do it so he manipulates

[00:40:12] the both of them he hates superheroes also his father used to beat him yes sure

[00:40:17] whatever they like try to sprinkle in some sort of nonsensical but like there's

[00:40:20] no attempt to really make any sense of his motivation Holly Hunter is a

[00:40:25] Democratic senator who has more sway than any senator of the last 25 years

[00:40:29] Holly Hunter is a senator who I guess like is the chair of the Superman

[00:40:32] committee so she has to like interact with Lex Luthor about the kryptonite

[00:40:36] she's around he wants to import kryptonite he needs her permission so

[00:40:40] there's that scoop McNary yeah great scoop McNary one of our finest loves

[00:40:46] character actors love scoot love scoot love scoot he's great he plays a former

[00:40:50] Wayne employee who loses his legs in the Superman incident and so he's he's

[00:40:59] mad about that yeah and so Bruce has got some guilt about that and he he

[00:41:04] keeps on changing who he's mad at about it you whatever at first I am grateful

[00:41:08] that Bruce Wayne like also Lex kind of implies that maybe he wrote all of those

[00:41:12] like mash notes to him so who knows who knows you got Lois Lane she oh Jesus

[00:41:18] there's that thing where she's in Africa for some reason with Jimmy Olson with

[00:41:22] Jimmy Olson who is a CIA agent and is executed off screen after two lines

[00:41:27] played by Michael Cassidy

[00:41:31] this movie is so bad

[00:41:32] can I just restate something quickly Academy Award winner Ben Affleck Academy Award

[00:41:37] winner Holly Hunter five-time Academy Award nominee Amy Adams and you've got

[00:41:42] Heiserberg

[00:41:43] Jesse Heiserberg Academy Award nominee Lawrence Fishburne Academy Award

[00:41:46] winner Jeremy Irons Academy Award nominee Michael Shannon as a corpse

[00:41:50] Nobel Peace Prize winner Scoot McNary Neil DeGrasse Tyson Nancy Grace Charlie

[00:42:02] Rose Aqua Man doomsday oh my god anyway yeah there's this idea what's your point

[00:42:12] is just that all these people are in this room cut out of this movie Jenna

[00:42:17] back girl cut out entirely is the first backer right is horrible post paralysis

[00:42:23] Barbara Gordon stuff it's working with it's got like this idea that Batman's old

[00:42:28] and haunted by like these past crimes the Joker brought on him or something right

[00:42:32] but they never say that Robin's been killed they just have a brief shot of a

[00:42:36] suit that only nerds will realize oh that might be supposed to be Robin's

[00:42:40] suit doesn't look like it it's like a sepia toned version of Robin's suit

[00:42:43] Joker graffiti all over that says ha ha ha why would Batman keep this suit throw

[00:42:47] that out of my god it's the creepiest thing in the world and he would fucking

[00:42:52] Jake Jolin hold demolition that shit so quickly want to talk about them I only

[00:42:56] brought it up because I want to see how angry you'd get if I brought it up no

[00:42:59] the Wayne Manor has been burned down like it's just like a burned husk yeah

[00:43:03] and again we assume like oh something bad happened there we don't know what he

[00:43:06] lives in Tim Allen's house from galaxy I swear to you I think it might be

[00:43:12] you nailed it I think it might be the exact same location I honestly think you

[00:43:16] know sure it's a very specific all glass house of a certain rectangular shape on

[00:43:20] the whole okay all right all right my god yeah no I mean yes that's where he lives

[00:43:24] yeah and Alfred is kind of just like a cranky guy holding onto that reference

[00:43:29] that was great it was great Alfred is a cranky guy whose only interest in this

[00:43:34] movie is Bruce Wayne settling down with a nice lady and having a baby I do

[00:43:38] no interest in him being Batman I do think it's the only fully successful

[00:43:42] performance of the film irons is great he's great Jeremy Irons is never bad

[00:43:46] he's great I love him yeah I think I flex pretty good I think I've like solid

[00:43:50] he's handed like a poop sandwich it's a decent movie star performance yeah I

[00:43:54] think it's okay decent movie star I think that Henry Cavill who I thought was

[00:43:58] okay and man of steel but was not he was fine okay his performance in this

[00:44:04] movie is ruinously bad and it's not being talked about enough not only is

[00:44:08] Superman a total vacuum of charisma correct his Clark Kent is the craziest take

[00:44:15] on that character I've ever seen so I mean if you're really the Reeve Clark Kent

[00:44:20] is the reason the movie works in my opinion I mean everything else is great

[00:44:23] too but his Clark Kent is like really distinguished from the Superman right

[00:44:27] is really nerdy and like goofy in the right ways and like kind of a you know

[00:44:31] it's great right yes Brandon Ralph's performance was a decent cover band

[00:44:35] it was okay yeah it was okay he did a good cover band he's sweet he's sweet he

[00:44:38] sort of leans on his sweet he's got the good qualities he's not quite as goofy

[00:44:42] or whatever but it's fine he's a little hamstrung by having to match Reeve so

[00:44:45] closely in this movie Henry Cavill's whole performance is basically he puts

[00:44:49] on a big big glasses yeah and he's been and he's just like is that I did it

[00:44:54] right I'm Clark Kent now that's what I do right and he spends the whole

[00:44:57] movie whining at Perry that he should be allowed to write about Batman

[00:45:01] which in the context of this movie is a 20 year old story

[00:45:05] literally like he's like we have to talk about Batman and Perry never says it's

[00:45:09] what he should say is like dude like Batman's old we know we know we wrote

[00:45:13] lots of stories about Batman that's like that's like the like the main like

[00:45:17] arts and culture writer of the New York Times only wanting to cover Steve

[00:45:21] Gutenberg but he has no yes ostensibly he's still around but

[00:45:26] that's not that's not the guy we're talking about he has no version of Clark

[00:45:31] Kent there's nothing no there's no he's just standing there there's no

[00:45:34] characterization there's nothing and also that's clearly

[00:45:37] Superman it's very obvious like and like it has everyone always makes that joke

[00:45:41] like oh how does nobody tell but you can do it right and they do it the

[00:45:45] opposite of right I think Reeve kills that where you're like

[00:45:47] yes they do look identical but these two guys behave so differently

[00:45:51] that you it's so good the thing where everyone goes like Clark Kent

[00:45:54] couldn't be Superman he's an idiot yes he's a bumbling fool

[00:45:57] exactly you know like that whole vibe is what you need

[00:46:00] Amy Adams now lives with Clark Kent yeah and she knows he's Superman

[00:46:05] that was that how many men are still right they fucking a bathtub

[00:46:08] that is that scene made me want to rip my skin I swear to god

[00:46:12] it was like the least sexy like like that seems supposed to be like intimate

[00:46:16] and cute yeah he gets she's in the bathtub right

[00:46:19] and Snyder's playing this whole trickery is like you're not going to see

[00:46:22] Amy Adams naked but oh the water's going to move around like you know

[00:46:26] he gets in the bathtub with his clothes on fully dress what does the fucking

[00:46:30] matter with you fully dry the water goes everywhere yeah I hated the whole thing

[00:46:34] I would have dumped him on this spot I just like I get out of this minute 18 of

[00:46:38] the film and it's after he like rescues her from

[00:46:43] this horrible situation in in a made-up African

[00:46:46] country yes can I can I throw out another for which

[00:46:49] Superman is held responsible even though everyone in that situation is killed

[00:46:53] with bullets so we're supposed to believe that people

[00:46:55] believe that Superman like got a gun and flew over to Africa to shoot

[00:47:00] people for no reason okay faint I'm really upset

[00:47:03] no I know you're you're definitely in there I said I didn't want to just

[00:47:08] rag on this movie but now that's all we're doing

[00:47:10] faint praise award and this award is grandfathered in from man of steel

[00:47:14] do I like that lowest lane significantly older than

[00:47:18] interesting she's like 10 years old there I mean I think you're right

[00:47:22] as an actor to act I didn't really think about it too hard

[00:47:25] that's a very rare occurrence in films right sure and especially because they

[00:47:29] don't comment on it all cavill is 32 and Adams is 41 nine years

[00:47:34] difference between the two of them that's substantial right absolutely I

[00:47:36] like it a lot at the game now this is a great actor I mean given nothing to

[00:47:39] do as a good actor but I don't think she's particularly good in this movie

[00:47:42] although I think she nails the line it's his mother's name

[00:47:46] yeah I actually think she did a great job even though that scene obviously is

[00:47:51] is a tough sell I actually thought I was very frustrated with how our character

[00:47:55] was written we'll get on to that oh boy I was there's so many things wait we

[00:47:59] still have to talk about watchmen too what are we doing we're not talking about

[00:48:02] water and good yeah Jesus uh can we start calling

[00:48:07] ourselves the two marthas instead of the two friends

[00:48:12] hashtag the two friends uh then you're called

[00:48:15] Kylo ben I couldn't think of one uh so we forgot about that bit general then

[00:48:21] banneryl's odd

[00:48:26] washben I like that because I'm the peeper but now it's turned back on me

[00:48:31] oh my god we have 30 minutes we had 30 minutes I'm looking at the clock we've

[00:48:37] been recording for 30 minutes oh no are you crazy no we've got 30 minutes left

[00:48:41] before we got we got kind of a hard out I think oh gosh

[00:48:44] um anyway okay but this is this is the thing I want to say okay I think

[00:48:49] that character's horribly written in this film uh Lois yeah I think she just

[00:48:53] kind of has to show up and do her job she's not great she has a couple good

[00:48:56] moments yeah I think she was actually pretty good

[00:48:58] man of steel once again with a not well written character she has the same

[00:49:02] problem which is that unfortunately you know which is kind of a Lois Lane

[00:49:06] problem you know she kind of just has to be a little stupid to get into a

[00:49:09] bad situation and then the movie kind of has to deal with that and it's just it's

[00:49:13] just a little annoying I mean I could talk for five hours about my

[00:49:15] interpretation of the character from the trailer and why I thought they were

[00:49:18] going to get it right but i'm not going to this is what I'll say very glad

[00:49:21] to hear this is what I'll say yeah the thing that really bites on the ass

[00:49:25] about the amy Adams casting uh is this movie so centered around

[00:49:29] the mothers right they latch onto this idea where you go oh I wonder why

[00:49:33] someone didn't think of this sooner because no one gives a shit right

[00:49:37] both batman and superman say they latch onto this idea is a little strong it's

[00:49:41] more like they came upon that idea and they pushed a whole bunch of chips onto it

[00:49:47] really quickly but don't you think okay these two characters have existed for

[00:49:50] 70 plus years right longer yeah I think Batman just hit 75

[00:49:54] yeah yeah man's like 80 now totally totally

[00:49:57] there they both have always had mothers named Martha

[00:50:00] yeah no one ever made anything of it because what who

[00:50:03] no I mean one batman's mother is not a character right she's dead she's dead

[00:50:08] she's a lady she is called Martha Kent

[00:50:09] Superman's mother is called Martha but a lot of times they just call her like ma

[00:50:14] or whatever like ma can't yeah especially in like the older comics so

[00:50:17] you know yeah it's not really a thing but I guess somebody be it Goyer be it

[00:50:22] Snyder I don't know who hit on this as like oh that's what these two have

[00:50:27] I know why they fight and that's why they stop fighting because they both

[00:50:30] have moms with the same name now I'm gonna say something because this move

[00:50:34] I think the Martha thing is maybe the most mocked thing in this movie

[00:50:38] by the general but I just want to point out this thing quickly that was building

[00:50:40] up to Diane Lane is 52 years old no this has been pointed out on

[00:50:46] Twitter which is the same age as Robert Downey Jr by the way oh

[00:50:49] sure but not just that sure there are scenes where

[00:50:53] Lois Martha and Superman are all in the same shot

[00:50:59] and Amy Adams because Henry Cavill is playing him so much as a petulant little

[00:51:02] child uh-huh like a brat uh-huh her only way to play

[00:51:07] against him is to be maternal she's very maternal because she's so much more

[00:51:10] intelligent sophisticated than sure that when the mom shows up and you're

[00:51:14] like there's 10 years between but I mean

[00:51:16] dylan is playing older but that's what's so gross is that like Diane Lane's

[00:51:19] character should be 70 yeah because in man of steel when they show the

[00:51:23] flashbacks to him as a child she's playing like late 40s who adopted a

[00:51:27] kid yeah and then they age her up and have her do like when own a rider old lady

[00:51:32] like Edward sister hands like oh super man it is sort of stuff so their moments

[00:51:35] were all three of the brown screen and it's like this is fucking it's weird

[00:51:38] like it's it's like it's weird well it's but I think it's because Snyder makes

[00:51:42] these decisions in a vacuum yes the Martha thing we're just saying

[00:51:53] the most mocked element I think there's a world in which it could work

[00:51:57] I do too I just I mean doesn't really work in the movie yeah

[00:52:01] I think there's a world in which that moment can make sense it doesn't have to

[00:52:05] be that their names are both Martha but just the idea that he's calling out for

[00:52:09] his mother or whatever yeah would be enough to get Batman's

[00:52:13] head right and be like oh this is a person not like an alien god

[00:52:16] agree and I think that's what they should have concentrated on rather

[00:52:20] than that scene where you know Batman eventually fights Superman he's

[00:52:23] going to kill him with a kryptonite spear fight last for five minutes

[00:52:26] yeah whatever I mean how long could it possibly last

[00:52:28] and it happens an hour and a half into the movie longer

[00:52:32] yeah hour 45 you have a five minute fight yeah and

[00:52:36] and then just in case you didn't get it Snyder flashes back to the fucking

[00:52:40] death scene and Jeffrey Dean Morgan is the dad going Martha

[00:52:44] as if we didn't get it who was he who's the guy in the mountain

[00:52:49] Kevin Costner yeah what was that that Superman's dad Academy Award winner

[00:52:52] Kevin Costner what did he go to what he died he got

[00:52:56] sucked up by a tornado in the previous film and then in this one

[00:52:59] Superman just I was that supposed to be a dream sequence again

[00:53:03] there's a lot of dream sequences yeah it's a dream to top of a mountain what else is

[00:53:06] it gonna be because also there's then there's that leaky uh

[00:53:09] like a mausoleum scene like the fortress of solitude where

[00:53:13] Jesse Eisenberg prots Michael Shannon no he's talking about when Batman has a

[00:53:17] dream in which he goes to the mausoleum and then the mausoleum

[00:53:19] is bleeding and then like an inexplicable giant bat monster pops out

[00:53:24] never explained never touched on doesn't mean anything so there are

[00:53:27] literally five dream sequences there's so many dream sequences that's insanity

[00:53:31] it's crazy especially in a movie that's too long and has a lot of stuff to do

[00:53:35] can we talk about Wonder Woman for a little bit

[00:53:37] yeah I mean she's in it she's a featured extra for the first hour and a half of

[00:53:41] the yeah gal Gadot is around and she's like wearing nice dresses and sort of

[00:53:45] like rubbing shoulders with Bruce Wayne and she's also like some kind of super spy

[00:53:49] but but like given very little tension like she's at parties she gets some money

[00:53:52] shots there's like a three-line exchange where Bruce Wayne tries to float with her

[00:53:56] and she's like not like me yeah okay then two hours 15 minutes into the film

[00:54:02] she watches some youtube she's on a turkey oh no earlier in that she watches the

[00:54:06] youtube videos right no yes and she realizes the Batman knows who she is

[00:54:10] right so she gets on a plane she said she was looking for a photo

[00:54:13] yeah that's why she was at the photo is her chris pine in 1918

[00:54:16] she said the photo big long to her grandmother he said that's not

[00:54:19] the photo it doesn't belong to you it is

[00:54:21] fuck you whatever stupid dump but then two hours 15 minutes into the film Wonder

[00:54:25] Woman is wearing a smart leather jacket she is boarding a Turkish Airlines flight

[00:54:31] uh-huh they have live tv on the backs of the seats yeah which they're always

[00:54:35] playing live tv before the plane takes off we always know they're always

[00:54:39] playing the news on the chairs before the flight takes off she sees on the news

[00:54:44] doomsday who will get to in a second yeah fighting Batman and Superman

[00:54:49] and then just looks and is like oh fuck i'm gonna have to get off this plane

[00:54:53] right i'm gonna have to schedule another fight and the next thing you know she's

[00:54:55] like on the battleground fully dressed yep and that and then she just fights a bunch

[00:55:01] the implication is that she was some in hiding or in retirement or something

[00:55:05] and she comes out she's been around for like a long time yeah yeah did she always

[00:55:09] have something like i left this human's behind or whatever yeah right is she

[00:55:13] always been called Wonder Woman well she's they don't explain the name yeah

[00:55:17] yeah she'll get a movie to explain all that stuff i guess next summer um they also her and

[00:55:23] Superman never speak to each other no i guess they kind of have a joint conversation right for

[00:55:29] a second there was just the three of them lined up yeah and she's like i've killed things from

[00:55:33] none of this world before yeah uh she does some cool fighting stuff but it's yeah at that point

[00:55:39] we have no idea who she is like yeah we just know she's Wonder Woman and she's making a flight

[00:55:44] a lot of sense that she showed up for this fight and not the general's odd fight but whatever

[00:55:48] agree uh so let's like the doomsday thing selects luther's in this movie a bunch Jesse Eisenberg

[00:55:55] he's obviously just being asked like do your thing yeah uh and he's bad he is bad i guess his

[00:56:02] lines are so bad and so overwritten that i don't know who could have done a good job here

[00:56:09] and what is the what's the reason we don't know something about god we don't know stuff um so i

[00:56:15] read something really interesting apparently in the first draft of this script brainiac was in it

[00:56:21] yes and the implication was that brainiac was controlling Lex Luthor yeah that gave him the

[00:56:26] pieces pointed him in the right direction brainiac is like a super see that makes sense right yeah

[00:56:31] and that Lex Luthor okay inexplicable behavior was explained by the fact that you would reveal

[00:56:35] that makes brainiac was masterminding the whole thing i was using Lex Luthor as a pawn was putting

[00:56:40] the pieces on the board right uh that makes no sense it makes more sense than what we got no

[00:56:46] you don't have a movie with brainiac and Lex Luthor that makes no fucking sense well i think they

[00:56:51] Lex Luthor supposed to be his own character with his own motivations why don't you just

[00:56:54] write that write a good Lex Luthor character i think they came to that realization and so

[00:56:58] they cut brainiac out of the movie but then didn't change Lex Luthor's behavior at all

[00:57:03] no so Lex Luthor still he grows slowly matter right and there's like scenes where he's like giving

[00:57:08] a speech and he kind of like trails off and goes a little crazy and i guess the implication is he's

[00:57:13] going crazy why we don't know why does he want batman to fight superman we don't know he never

[00:57:17] says anything about batman he like glee like like anything about having a problem with batman

[00:57:22] no ever in the movie he goes hmm a lot hmm he does that he also finds general zod's crash ship

[00:57:29] and he gets into what i can only describe as a pit of poop water

[00:57:35] right correct he bathes in the toilet he cuts his hand cuts his hand and bleeds into it and this

[00:57:43] creates what i can only describe as a toilet monster right looks like a bunch of mud with eyes

[00:57:52] right yeah i'm not i'm not even trying to be like i don't know how else you describe doomsday

[00:57:57] in this movie it looks like the poop monster from dog mod like the literal shit poop monster yes he's a

[00:58:02] shit demon and he's doing all this while also elaborately getting batman and superman to fight each

[00:58:09] other right which you don't understand why he's doing that yeah and yet he also has this backup

[00:58:15] plan of like well if batman doesn't kill superman in a really specific way i'll just unleash this

[00:58:21] aberration but i think he also wants batman dead he hates superheroes why why why why i think i'm

[00:58:28] done what about the smells though yeah i did like the smells but the more we talk about this is more

[00:58:33] mad i get wait were you were you into it more at the time like into the movie more what no no

[00:58:38] no i'm just into this recording but like i think i just wanted to let the audience know i've hit my

[00:58:42] wall your pet you're like i mean we basically hit the wall because the doomsday thing

[00:58:47] he shows up i mean what is he he's just a mud monster and they just have to kill him

[00:58:51] he has no personality oh just roars and like shoots lasers and the way they kill him is by

[00:58:57] superman sacrificing himself wow i wonder if that's gonna stick you know like i've rarely seen an

[00:59:03] ending with less like emotional weight to it because like what the whole fucking thing we all

[00:59:09] know you're trying to make 18 more of these movies superman dies at the end oh wow i wonder

[00:59:14] superman's gonna come back to life in justice league or not the two justice league movies you're

[00:59:18] making i mean i think he's gonna be the bad guy oh god are you kidding me don't you think so that's

[00:59:24] what no that's what the dream sequence implied to me he's gonna come back as a bad guy yeah he is

[00:59:30] already the bad guy yeah i you know i don't know i mean the idea of this film is that like

[00:59:34] they're supposed to be like opposite sides of the coin they're not batman they're both

[00:59:38] dicks the thing is like superman is kind of a dick in just like the wrong way they just

[00:59:42] got superman wrong where it's this idea that you mentioned about man of steel where it's like he's

[00:59:46] saying should i or should i be superman do i know anything to these people makes no sense the whole

[00:59:50] point is superman is that he wants to be superman doesn't work if he doesn't want to see but here's

[00:59:54] what i think could be interesting oh boy that he wants to do what superman does he doesn't know

[00:59:59] if he wants to be quote unquote superman do you know what i'm saying yeah but he doesn't seem

[01:00:04] to want to do the first thing well that's where they fuck it up okay fine but i think it

[01:00:08] there's an interesting movie in superman is naturally drawn to saving people and using his

[01:00:12] powers for good but he doesn't want to be seen he doesn't want the expectations he doesn't want to

[01:00:16] scare people you know yeah i like that idea if he's like fucking ron perlman's beauty in the beast

[01:00:22] you know like hiding under the sewers and coming out at night and just like you know he has to

[01:00:26] slowly learn to take on the responsibility and the iconography and whatever that's not what this

[01:00:31] movie does he's just a brat he's angry all he's a little bit of a brat doesn't figure out that

[01:00:37] he's literally just the stupidest shit is like manipulating him he brands people he like that

[01:00:42] makes no sense none of it makes those like hot iron batarangs on their chest he does like they'll be

[01:00:47] murdered at one point like he does like he's like throwing tires around yeah he's an idiot he's a

[01:00:52] dumb fucking idiot and he's gonna kill superman who's literally like superman who like rescues

[01:01:00] people and shit he's gonna kill him for no reason yeah except scoop mcnary sent him a mean post

[01:01:05] card and can we talk about my favorite aspect of the movie it's not my favorite aspect it's the

[01:01:10] aspect i'm most fascinated by what does holly hunter drink lex louis no everyone was hung up on that scene

[01:01:21] where she gets blown up by scoop mcnary scoop mcnary scoop mcnary and his scooter his scooter

[01:01:30] yeah and his scooter mcnary he's got a bomb shot a bomb

[01:01:34] i had two questions one do you think he knows there's a bomb in his chair most people said no

[01:01:39] i said yes i think no but also what i don't know you know like two she has a jar of piss okay she

[01:01:46] earlier in the film says i don't want to talk about it you can't hand me a i just because

[01:01:51] you put a label that says grandma sweet peach to tea on a jar of piss doesn't make it sweet

[01:01:56] peach she's all to her credit she's a little better than you just yeah well yeah i mean i'm

[01:02:01] not as good an actor as holly uh then then she's in the senate hearing she like takes a sip of something

[01:02:08] right yeah and then she realizes it's from lex she looks over it's a mason jar that says grandma sweet

[01:02:13] peach tea and this tips her off to the fact that lex luther is not there and gonna blow up

[01:02:19] congress what she does now there's like 10 seconds destroys the capital building in this movie

[01:02:25] but i just want to describe how this moment plays out right she's like talking she's on her a game

[01:02:30] she makes a speech she takes a sip she like looks over suspiciously to the mason jar she turns it

[01:02:36] around she sees the label and she looks at lex luther's seat and realizes he's not there

[01:02:41] and then freaks out right no she doesn't freak out she quietly goes like yeah she could say

[01:02:46] uh oh something's wrong everybody leave the building uh oh uh oh like bad things piss jar

[01:02:51] piss jar but there's like this silent panic in her eyes right yeah this sequence goes on for

[01:02:55] maybe 15 seconds between when she turns the jar around it goes on for like 15 hours okay yeah i thought

[01:03:01] i didn't get the idea was oh he's about to vaughn the building right i was like this scene is now just

[01:03:05] her freaking out because she drank she drank some piss i thought that's her slow burn reaction was i

[01:03:09] just drank pee pee i think that it's metaphorical i think he just like put up jar ice tea on her

[01:03:14] desk but maybe i'm wrong and maybe it's real pee we're gonna have to wait for like the director's

[01:03:18] commentary to get that one solved i think just as like supposed to start filming in like six weeks

[01:03:24] no two weeks jesus christ this is the thing and it's like so this movie is a uh not great

[01:03:30] movie yeah i don't like it and it opened to a very healthy like 170 million dollars at the box office

[01:03:37] yeah and then it dropped off very steep you know like a 70 drop off mm-hmm it's collected about

[01:03:45] 280 it's collected like a lot worldwide so it's already made like 750 million it's down to 20 million

[01:03:51] for this weekend that we're recording which is this third weekend which means next weekend

[01:03:55] will be below 10 so it's not a big hit but it is a big hit it cost 350 million dollars by most accounts

[01:04:01] really i saw 250 you saw 350 i mean i i heard 350 you also have to factor in i heard 500 million

[01:04:09] dollars all including marketing which means at the very least they'd need to make a billion

[01:04:14] dollars to break even i think they were hoping to make about a billion dollars and i think they will

[01:04:17] if you include worldwide which is fine maybe they will maybe they won't put something around there

[01:04:22] but no one likes it the movie more importantly yeah i would think has kind of already vanished

[01:04:27] from the conversation yeah it wasn't a critical success at all no dc has it's too late water brothers

[01:04:34] has set great like crazy things in motion yeah everyone is locked in for all of these movies

[01:04:40] so their only hope now is that the other movies are just better right and maybe they can pull

[01:04:45] that off like maybe suicide squad's okay i don't know it doesn't look great yeah you know maybe it's

[01:04:49] better like maybe the aquaman movie directed by james won maybe that'll be fun wonder woman i think

[01:04:54] has the best shot of any wonder woman's gonna have a lot of good will just because people want to see

[01:04:59] a wonder woman movie but i think the other problem is like you know we're talking about uh johnny

[01:05:04] fabs right good solid john fevver director yeah i am man one came in with like a sensibility

[01:05:11] but not an overwhelming style yeah it's like a slick piece of entertainment with a really fun vibe to

[01:05:17] it but zaks and i just established like this is what the visual palette is this is what the dramatic

[01:05:22] tenor of these films are you know this is this this is that like he set so much so specifically

[01:05:28] in motion right now that all the films are gonna have such a hard time not like the best chance

[01:05:34] any of these films have to succeed is to distance themselves away from this movie as much as possible

[01:05:39] which is going to be so confusing like their best shot is to essentially do what deadpool did to

[01:05:44] X-men origins which is be like don't even don't even fucking pretend you haven't seen these characters

[01:05:49] already you know i thought deadpool was awful too though but yeah i know i know i'm saying in relation

[01:05:54] to how you treat it because it's like do we really want to see a flash movie that's like spawning

[01:05:59] out of the flashes two appearances in this film yeah but i just like no i mean i i i just don't

[01:06:07] immediately reset and start over you know i don't know i don't know what they are um but they're

[01:06:15] they're in trouble or not maybe they're not i don't know i don't know but the biggest problem is

[01:06:20] what i was going off is zaks niders making justice league movie yeah um and i don't know what that's

[01:06:25] gonna be i don't either considering how over the top and over crammed with stuff this one was

[01:06:31] yeah um boo we're really tired guys i'm so tired i don't know so we were going to talk about watchmen

[01:06:38] yeah i mean what's the fucking say i mean i think the only thing i really wanted to hit on initially

[01:06:43] david orlick was going to be on right with us and like scheduling shit and your crazy schedule

[01:06:47] mess that all up but um you know i mean i think a lot of people like sort of hit on like manner

[01:06:53] seal and the mistakes nider made like making this movie but i think watchmen in clearly informs

[01:06:59] a lot of his perspective on this movie which is basically like superheroes are these like

[01:07:03] untrustworthy like others who we cannot like rely on to to keep us safe or save the world or like

[01:07:13] even like exist especially it's especially like batman's thing through the whole movie there's

[01:07:18] a scene where he says like if there's a one percent chance that superman is bad like we have to

[01:07:22] take that as an absolute certainty right which is a weird thing for batman to say a hundred

[01:07:28] he's a superhero right like that's not probably not the perspective a superhero would have about

[01:07:34] a superhero even if this superhero is more powerful it seems like he philosophically hates these

[01:07:39] characters but also wants to fetishize totally the badass aspects of them there's this scene where

[01:07:44] superman is like there's a montage of him saving people and like he saves some people in like a

[01:07:50] mexican day of the dead celebration and all these like skeleton painted people like it's

[01:07:54] awful and then you cut to him like rescuing people from a flood and he's hovering over

[01:08:00] a family who are about to get drowned with like menace yeah like all he's gonna do is pick

[01:08:05] him up and drop him off somewhere it's supposed to be good you know when he made watchmen he

[01:08:09] did an interview where he was like i think this is the superhero movie i could make this is the

[01:08:13] only superhero movie i could make because it reflects my view on superheroes i don't think i

[01:08:17] could ever do a superman movie that's funny he said that he was like i don't get that

[01:08:20] character well he doesn't really no he doesn't and i don't mean to be some like nerd who's harping

[01:08:26] on like you got superman wrong like that's okay like you can get him wrong or you can do something

[01:08:31] different with him but they didn't really do anything in particular with him no and it's just

[01:08:36] kind of yeah but it also feels like they stripped away all the most fundamental things

[01:08:40] because they were the things that were trickier and that could look lame if done poorly you know

[01:08:44] right like they removed all the sincerity from the character and optimism from the character

[01:08:49] and at a time where like captain america has become a major franchise i thought that was a

[01:08:53] character they could not ever captain america was always pointed to is like yeah how do you

[01:08:57] nail someone that's sincere in a modern climate like and how do you make that movie work overseas

[01:09:01] and people like love captain america of course because i mean the first captain america movie

[01:09:05] is a wartime movie which is a great way to introduce him is this like you know he's from

[01:09:09] an era that we don't like you know have any which is why i'm encouraged by wonder woman

[01:09:12] also taking place in the past totally totally but then you've got the avengers and jah

[01:09:17] sweden is like i know exactly who captain america is he's kind of like the straight arrow who like

[01:09:21] everyone bounces off of and like there's a lot of humor in that and there's also something sweet

[01:09:26] and he's like you know he's like pole star that kind of helps people realize like the right

[01:09:31] things to fight for yada yada yada like he's perfect he's a sweetie pie and like that's exactly

[01:09:35] the role superman has to play in this sort of wider like uh universe that they're creating

[01:09:39] but no in this water universe they're creating he's this like really scary alien yeah who might be

[01:09:45] evil and then he dies and then the dust rises up his coffin the dirt here's the thing that really

[01:09:52] bums me out about this movie okay above all else i hate the fact that there's a movie right now

[01:09:58] with batman superman and wonder woman and for like children right i'm talking specifically

[01:10:04] like kids under like seven sure right yeah 50 of them are gonna be super scared by the film

[01:10:11] yeah no it's loud and intense and nasty and and and scary and batman's a jerking he merged people

[01:10:18] with impunity yeah like is like a violent asshole the people who aren't the kids who are not scared

[01:10:25] by it are just gonna be bored it's so long because it's fucking holly hunter drinking pee pee and like

[01:10:32] you know all these like arguments over whether or not superman could potentially hurt people

[01:10:36] you made like a batman superman wonder woman movie that like no kid would enjoy

[01:10:42] and they played the trailer for the lego batman movie before it and like that's like in theory

[01:10:46] like a lark that's like oh it's like a goofy like batman movie but i look at that trailer and i'm like

[01:10:52] this batman in a cave he's got like robin and the joker and he fights all his villains he's got

[01:10:57] all the vehicle yeah that looks like batman that looks like an accurate batman move and i

[01:11:02] also like the fact that like grownups would enjoy it and kids would watch it and be like yeah i like

[01:11:06] batman yeah what kid's gonna walk in a batman versus superman be like god i love that batman guy

[01:11:10] yeah he's a lot of fun to spend time with i can relate to him as a child but i did like batman a

[01:11:16] lot when i was a kid and superman and i was like into darkness i feel like almost kids some

[01:11:22] kinds of sometimes respond to that more than grownups but i think this is a really bland

[01:11:27] yeah self serious it is portentious kind of darkness that will not appeal to kids well also it

[01:11:32] has no grounding in anything because there's no time to have any grounding because there's too much

[01:11:36] stuff to do the only thing that works is that first scene agree no it's too bad bat fleck is okay

[01:11:43] yeah there's a world where that could be a decent agreed and i like germy irons i like their rapport

[01:11:48] sure germy irons is fucking unbeatable that guy's always good oh boy well next week we get

[01:11:54] to talk about the wachowskis guys i'm really excited about this i'm really excited too you

[01:11:59] know what i'm thinking about right now what i just really want a shower i just got to your shower

[01:12:03] thinking about it's great thought yeah great thought to have um uh yeah guys i mean yep we're sorry

[01:12:10] that this episode was a god awful mess but it's kind of funny right imports ben are you even

[01:12:15] listening anymore nope oh he's not on the mic he's not even on the mic yeah i was coming back

[01:12:19] into the room hey pen we're almost wrapping it off all right um yeah final thoughts uh yeah i don't

[01:12:28] like it no yeah i know and yeah i'm a jealous that you guys got to get like you know water

[01:12:35] splashed on you and stuff yeah that was fun if i brought shampoo i would have i wouldn't

[01:12:39] need to take a shower i could have just gone to a 4dx screening and wash my hair while

[01:12:44] watching bad man v superman don just uh guys next week we're doing the wachowskis it's gonna be

[01:12:49] down these superhero one offs for us are always kind of uh they always kind of slow us down

[01:12:54] i like podcastic too here's one of our weirder episodes yeah can i just say something yeah

[01:13:01] so like very shortly after bad and v superman came out and everyone was bummed out about it

[01:13:06] sure uh ben edlund creator the tic showrunner

[01:13:10] of the series i'm about to be a part of did a uh interview with uh interchange weekly

[01:13:15] oh you got so worked up about this yeah where he said kind of offhandedly like yeah this is

[01:13:21] going to be like a slightly different take and it might be a little darker and more grounded yeah

[01:13:26] more grounded and everyone just fucking went like oh no they're gonna fucking do bad man versus

[01:13:29] well now here's the thing griffin yeah you said everyone said that i didn't see anyone saying

[01:13:33] that no i'm not plugged into the same like avenues as you perhaps but there i didn't see a

[01:13:38] widespread disgust about this interview i think that certainly anyone who reads the interview

[01:13:42] would not think oh god like this is going to be a bad man v superman thing a bunch of other websites

[01:13:46] sure made headlines like clickbaity headlines right but it's just clickbait shit here we go

[01:13:51] again tic is going to be darking sure right right and it's easy to mock at someone who

[01:13:56] occasionally will do it about other things right like and it's it's such a trend now for

[01:14:00] everything to become like the self-serious goody rebooted version of it unfounded

[01:14:05] i just i just want to i just don't know i'm very look i'm looking forward to the ticket i'm sure

[01:14:08] it's going to be great i think i think so and i also think uh uh hopefully the reason he was

[01:14:13] saying it's going to be darker more grounded as much in the way that the tic when the comic book

[01:14:17] was starting it was a commentary on what was popular in superhero comics at the time

[01:14:22] largely frank miller and stuff sure and the cartoon was a commentary on other superhero

[01:14:27] cartoon shows i think this series will reflect the climate this sort of superhero franchise movie

[01:14:33] yeah yeah it's a reflection but it is a comedy yeah i'm excited yeah it'll be great yeah if it

[01:14:41] isn't i'll look really stupid for having talked about how bad this movie is that's true i'll look

[01:14:46] like a big old jerk um what else final thoughts bent file thoughts we've been doing this podcast

[01:14:54] for over a year yeah i know right oh yeah we passed our one-year anniversary we didn't comment on

[01:14:59] i think after earth is technically the closest to a one-year yeah and i think we're either this is

[01:15:04] like this is 52 i think this might be 52 the new 52 new 52 so um it's been it's been uh it's been

[01:15:11] quite a ride um no i'll say this i think that uh zack snider um deserves a spanking yeah i think

[01:15:22] like a public spanking from the uh watchben that's right go get back to dawn the dead get a good script

[01:15:29] no just don't and just focus up um maybe just don't yeah just take an easy project got a lot of money

[01:15:34] i want to make sure that everyone knows that marvel paid me a handsome sum to hate this movie oh yeah

[01:15:39] no we hate this we were paid by marvel it is so strange i've gotten a little bit of that splash

[01:15:44] back you know from the these weirdos on twitter and stuff i just don't get it this is the one

[01:15:50] you want to go all in on this one bad nv superman those guys got quiet after they saw the movie that's

[01:15:56] true they got quieter there were still some who was like there was one dude i was following intensely

[01:16:01] who like had an account only just tweeted everyone every day being like yo ferrachi you could delete

[01:16:06] your account when bad nv superman gets 90 percent i remember that i remember that guy yeah and then

[01:16:10] he's tweeted twice hey man since the movie came out yeah and one of them was to tweet at me and tell

[01:16:17] me i said hey waiting for your review i was just curious what does this guy even like the movie and he

[01:16:22] said loved it eight out of ten uh means you liked it yeah best version yet batman would get kids nightmares

[01:16:31] i was like why do you want a movie that whatever that's what they decided that they wanted great

[01:16:37] merchandise spotlight there's a bunch of it no one's buying it because they hate this movie is that

[01:16:40] true no one's buying it that's not doing well i want a cyborg but before he gets built so he's

[01:16:45] just a torso when he's just a scarred young man screaming man yeah uh yeah so next week pod pod

[01:16:53] chaos chup pod chowsky's pod chowsky casters i have such a wall i'm gonna have to get the mop to

[01:16:59] clean you guys up yeah huddles yeah we're dead so do you think we can cut this episode down to

[01:17:03] like 15 minutes do you think there's like a good 15 minutes in the breakable breakable

[01:17:11] all right so as always guys we'll see you next week with great fully formed thoughts

[01:17:16] yeah but as always as always aquaman fucking can breathe underwater that's like the number one thing

[01:17:26] yeah no we're gonna have to edit that yeah