Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Blank Check!

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Recognize this podcast?

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I've never seen that pod before in my life.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Or after life.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I really can't do Beetlejuice.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_09]: It's been some years.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I really can't do Willem Dafoe in this movie.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_08]: So then we're unified in failure.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, my character's a little less well-known I suppose.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Wolf Jackson?

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Wolf Jackson.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Last I considered or last I checked he's the star of the number one movie in the

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_09]: world.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice opening to a robust 111 million?

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_09]: 111.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_09]: 111.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Perfect symmetry, spooky.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think isn't the beauty of Beetlejuice that he is just a completely open-ended character?

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_09]: This is true.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_09]: It's what makes it hard to do an impression of him because I think it shifts a lot.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, sure.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, man, business.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_09]: But I finally, David, many months late to your recommendation, the recommendation

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_09]: of many others, I've finally been listening to the Seth Meyers Lonely Island podcast, which

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_09]: is unsurprisingly my shit.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't it just unbelievable how good that is given the genre of podcasts it's within,

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_08]: which is usually really bad?

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I was ready to enjoy it even if it was the worst version of what it could be.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Even if it was bad, I would tolerate it.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, it's the kind of shit we like.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_09]: But there is one episode where Andy Sandberg talks about his pitch for a show at Sketch

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_09]: that was supposed to be a cold open that was meet the press, but Tim Russert was

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_09]: out and the guest host was Beetlejuice.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The whole thing.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Was that Sandberg in like 2006, which I'd argue was kind of an idea of a low

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice is cultural relevance.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Well, it's kind of like how as Meyers makes fun of him for multiple

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_08]: times about this, he kept working.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Quantum. Yes.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_08]: To recall into the enemy mind sketch.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_09]: The enemy mind.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_09]: His pitch was just what's a movie I like from the 80s.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Can I do it?

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_09]: But Sandberg was talking up how good his Beetlejuice impression was.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was sort of in this episode going like, but no one does a good

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice. You can't really do it.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_09]: And then he did.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, it's fucking good.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_09]: It's fucking good.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't have it.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Sandworms. I am.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I hate myself.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I get you.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I can get like 5 percent of it.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_09]: It is. Look, let's just say it.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_09]: It is some of the magic of this character that there is some undefinable

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_09]: thing that you're like, it should just be untethered chaos.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And yet there does feel like there's some cohesion to the way Keaton does it.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Can you try?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And you just say the juice is loose.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_09]: The juice is no.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's terrible.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_09]: The juice.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_09]: It started bad.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_09]: And then it went up through the floor.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_09]: She is deeper in this one.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_09]: He is gravier.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he's aged.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's what I say.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I see a lot of people say like he has an age today.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think it is a lot of fun to see him return to this character.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I do think you do sense like, oh, the entire timber of his voice

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_09]: has aged 36 years.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_09]: He looks like an old goth too.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is just a tough look.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_08]: What if he played it just like a spotlight?

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Like he didn't do Beetlejuice in this one.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He was just like a boss in action.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was just like really, really like right.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got to get to Cottonville Law.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We all do the work.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, like it just right.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, just like really, really quiet or and then leave

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Shriver was in it too.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was like, this is good reporting.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: This is good reporting.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_06]: It's on the gentleman presses.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_09]: That's my leave Shriver and there's someone in the movie.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_09]: What?

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_09]: What do you say?

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_09]: You don't want to be roles.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Spotlight.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Today we're talking about Beetlejuice.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just say this one week out from its theatrical release,

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_09]: not even this episode will come out about 10 days after it's come out.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: People used to yell at us for releasing episodes too quickly.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And now they were now they say too slowly.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Ten days out already just kind of a fascinating cultural object.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_09]: There has been such a tsunami of hype and promotion and onslaught of media

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_09]: ramping up to this movie after like years of kind of stop and start

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_09]: speculation about this thing happening.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, there was the original rush of trying to make a Beetlejuice

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_09]: sequel for the 10 years after the first movie is going to go Hawaiian.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_09]: And then there's been like 15 years of like, what if we did a Beetlejuice

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_09]: like a sequel and it finally exists and now like less than a week out.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, it is so strange this movie exists and is a humongous hit

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and is kind of inexplicable and all of us are already trying to remember things

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_08]: about it. You saw it last night.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember so well.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember this film so well, but I bet you guys don't at all.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: That was my point.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted to see it a second time.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't forget that.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't forget.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And here's some other things you shouldn't forget.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Should I not see movies on 9 11 on the 23rd anniversary?

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Show some respect.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Let me say this.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Another thing that people should never forget is that this is blind check with

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Griffin and David. I'm Griffin David.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Who else is here?

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Marie.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, Marie.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Hi, Barty.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Marie Barty.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Our associate producer.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, whatever.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't remember what I'm supposed to call you.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You can call me.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You can call me whatever you want as long as you call me David

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and keep inviting me on these episodes.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I will.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_09]: What have I not been?

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_09]: No.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Bottle-necking Marie in the pipeline, David.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Ben Haas, the producer, Ben is here.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Hello.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetle vape juice, I believe was the name.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_09]: That is given to you.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Many years ago because this is a podcast about filmographies.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Directors who have massive success early on in their career say their second

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_09]: movie is Beetle Juice, a sort of bewildering hit that comes out of

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_09]: nowhere that people cannot really even figure out how to replicate for so

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_09]: long.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Not just in literally taking this long to make a sequel, but also people

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_09]: trying to make Beetle Juice-esque movies.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_09]: A film that really now just kind of stands out as like a miracle.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I feel like more and more with each passenger.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_09]: How did this thing fucking come together?

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: What are the Beetle Juice-esque movies like The Frightners?

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good one.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good example.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good poll.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a good poll.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But I also think just to a degree, a lot of the rest of Tim Burton's career.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so Tim Burton trying to replicate.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_09]: No, but okay.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_09]: What about...

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, look, my beloved Casper is definitely trying to throw some Beetle

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Juice in there.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I think Scrooge is a little Beetlejuicey.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Scrooge came out after Beetlejuice.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I think I came out one year after Beetlejuice since 88.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But I think you're right.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_05]: David Johansson in that movie is like very, very Beetlejuicey.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I think there's certainly a lot of performances with Beetlejuice.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_09]: A little monster.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Little monsters?

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Right where it's like, can we do spooky fur with like some family edge?

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Drunk dead Fred?

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I also think the burbs, the Dante boom.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a good stretcher.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I almost think that's something slightly different.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I would say a great example is I think Bill and Ted's bogus journey is

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_09]: leaning into the Beetlejuicey elements of can this be really stylized?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Didn't work for people.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Really visual, really special effects heavy.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the Nicholas Rogue witches and the tone of Adam's family.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_08]: That was Son of Feld.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Those certainly are happening partly because of Beetlejuice.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Totally.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_09]: But I think it's just one of those movies.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_09]: We talked about this to some extent with Ghostbusters on our Patreon,

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_09]: but another thing where people go, oh my God, special effects comedy.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this year we had two iconic family special effects

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_08]: driven comedies that just like are like in sconce in the heart of every

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_08]: child of America frozen Empire.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I wasn't even going to make that joke.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I was going to say if and Harold in the purple cream.

[00:08:07] Yes.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_08]: But sure, Ghostbusters frozen Empire too, which also has a the younger

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_08]: one falls in love with a ghost plot much like this one.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_09]: His second film.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Peewee was a bit of a guarantor Beetlejuice was Tim Burton's

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_09]: basically had three guarantors in a row that kept changing the

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_09]: type of checkbook he had access to.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_08]: We talked about that.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_08]: On our Tim Burton Ministries, which you can listen to if you

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_08]: have the stamina to make it through 20 movies.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe even 21.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I try to block out maybe even a clean Jim Sturgis Kate

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Bosworth.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_09]: That series of course ended.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Grifting.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Think.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_09]: You.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_09]: That mini series of course ended with Ben saying that

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_09]: he thought Tim Burton should be spaced.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Which is send him to space as punishment.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't get without a space suit.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Live on anymore.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_07]: It's this is his 21st film.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And he has not made a film since we covered him our mini

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_09]: series at the time was tied to the release of Dumbo right

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_09]: and ended with them.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_09]: It has been a five year gap.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_09]: You of course did Wednesday in between but that is I think

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_09]: the longest stretch he's ever gone without making without

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_09]: a released film.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_09]: That is correct.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And it is a movie that has come with all of these narratives

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_09]: of like his burden back is just going to get her back hopes

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_09]: expectations.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_09]: What did I say to you over text the other night which I

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of stand by.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I was expressing some skeptic sismic is people being

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: like his Burton back but maybe a little bit of that.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_08]: What's the thing you said in town?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I would not be surprised if his next movie is very good.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_09]: What's his next movie?

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't have one.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't he supposed to do the like 100 foot woman or whatever

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_09]: attack of the 50 foot.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_09]: There are things that certainly attach himself to right.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Go in Flynn right which is exciting.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_09]: This does feel like a movie that is I equated it in our

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_09]: text thread with the dough boys to like seeing the kids

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_09]: in the hall reunite.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah you said that.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_09]: We're like you're a little bit aware of like the passage

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_09]: of time.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah and the way it's like hung on the people you're

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_09]: watching on stage and also yourself and wondering why

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_09]: you want to see this thing be recaptured.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's not the disastrous cynical cash grab version

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_09]: of it in my eyes.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_09]: But you're also just like maybe a little foolish of me

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_09]: to assume that everyone could just get totally back

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_09]: in the pocket that I've been said the movie ends

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Ben turns to me immediately throws up two big thumbs

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and a smile and goes fun.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was like I gotta agree with that.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_09]: It was fun.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_09]: If you start to pull this thing apart which we are now

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_09]: going to do for the sake of this podcast.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to do it a little bit.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I am there's not a ton on the bone so I don't know how

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_08]: much pulling will do.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the only way you can engage with this thing is

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_09]: just like oh look it's a bunch of people like kind of

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_09]: doing a comeback tour of this shit.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_09]: All these actors going back playing together again

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_09]: these aesthetics.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a weird movie when you when you think about

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_08]: really weird and not weird like Beetlejuice

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: which is weird in an impressive way.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Just we're like why that though?

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Why did why?

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Well again wasn't bad but I think that's how the three

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: of us feel about it.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Murray.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I saw it in London.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you like Tim Burton or Beetlejuice?

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_08]: You haven't really you weren't with us when we did Tim Burton.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't with you guys for the Tim Burton series.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I love Beetlejuice.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I love you love the man and his actions.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I do he's never done anything wrong and I believe

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: in bioexorcism.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's just a fact.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just science.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I think the Tim Burton run up through Sleepy Hollow

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: is unimpeachable.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would largely agree.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Every movie that he made in those what like 12.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_09]: That's how I feel it's 80 it's 87 to 99.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I haven't really liked anything that he's done post

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Sleepy Hollow like I don't like you don't like any of

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you like big fish.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Big fish is I mean I haven't seen it in a while.

[00:12:18] Sweeney.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I swainy.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, we get it.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Go for it.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We're sweating.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't bat.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a little slush of me.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Boy was slainy.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't when he started sort of let's go by this.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_09]: See you don't like it when the fish are big.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_09]: But what about the eyes?

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_09]: What about when the shadows are dark?

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen big eyes.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Murray.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_05]: What about when you love the work?

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Of Larry Kersuski and Sky Alexander.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_09]: You might love big eyes.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I might love big eyes.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I could maybe use a few defenders on my island.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: About when the home for peculiar children is Miss Peregrine's.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_08]: So I just had to do that.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that you did that and not when Miss Peregrine's

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_09]: home is peculiar.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't seen that one.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Stupidest way.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But I had I have an ex boyfriend.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_08]: What about when the weenie is Franken?

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry, go ahead.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_08]: An ex boyfriend.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: An ex boyfriend who's like kind of a crazy person.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Who his favorite one of his favorite movies was Guy Ritchie's revolver,

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a terrible movie that makes no sense.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And he also was really into Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Is this the guy you were dating when I first knew you?

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_08]: No, this is different guy.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the guy who I used to date who now has a movie coming out.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that guy.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That guy.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Do we keep this and do we keep it in?

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't give a shit.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Fuck that guy.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But fuck that guy.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But anyway, his name is Scott Phillips.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's called Joker Folly.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a most twisted movie in the world.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Rie Barty did not to my knowledge, state Todd Phillips.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That would have been crazy though.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: You'd have some stories.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd have stories.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but no, I but he was always like that movie is amazing.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Miss Peregrine's home for your children.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, okay, maybe I don't know.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But then that was like he this is like kind of when we were in the new car

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: smell phase of the relationship where I just thought everything he said was

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: like really interesting and he had really cool opinions on movies.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And that totally went away when he made me watch

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Richie's revolver and I was like, I don't trust a single thing.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't remember do Guy Ritchie one day and it's partly possibly

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and it's partly cause he made movies like revolver, but revolver is not good.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_08]: No, you're like, oh crazy that he made this.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I I've heard defenses of it.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not it's not good.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I uh, it's a you know now some distance.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't remember how our rankings.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So we can't do Guy Ritchie.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you because it's if he just would stop making two movies a year,

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: we could do him, but now it's just impossible.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_08]: We would have to make a jam of like five movies anyway.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Go on.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Miss Peregrine with some distance now feels like the absolute

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_09]: nadir of his career, which isn't to say it's his worst movie,

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_09]: but it is the most nothing thing.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_09]: It's kind of irrelevant feeling like true like Alice in Wonderland

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_09]: makes me angry.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Planet of the Apes makes me angry.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, yeah, but no, no, but I'm like, what are we even

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_09]: fucking?

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Why did anyone bother getting out of bed for this?

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_08]: You think so you think Miss Peregrine is more than a dear

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: than dark shadows.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Those are the two where it feels like it's just but I think

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_08]: it is Miss Peregrine.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I like that more than you do.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Peregrine.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I think got nothing going on.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's not a quality thing.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just talking about like Miss Peregrine is him being

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_08]: like, I don't know what should I do?

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_08]: There's some book about your children.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I guess I should do that.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So can I ask a follow up question to the Miss Peregrine

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: thing?

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I was just in London, which I'm going to keep talking

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: about because I need to share my entire theatrical experience.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And AJ may be throwing some big Ben times.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you go to Fleet Street?

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, there's a demon bomber.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Snip, snip.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You all would say that.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_06]: How about a shy?

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_06]: A shy.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_06]: My boy.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to murder Sasha Baron Cohen.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I hear the penis he shows in his movies is prosthetic.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Has that been on X recently?

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't look anymore.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that's a rumor we heard.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: V-A-T-X.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, wait. No.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The man's got a rubber pecker.

[00:16:23] I'm thinking about it.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: London.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I was on plane.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What was I going to watch?

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I decided to watch the first three Harry Potter movies.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, we were talking about this.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_08]: We were talking about this.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Why did you decide?

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess when you're flying from London, you got hours to fill.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: On the way to London, I watched Molly Manning Walker's How to Have Sex

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and Yorgos Lanthimos's Kindness.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, great.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_08]: You were really raring to go.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So on the way back, I was like, you know what?

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to turn my brain off totally and I'm just going to watch Harry Potter.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you like either of those movies?

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked parts of Kindness.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, me too. Me too.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And for How to Have Sex, I liked it up until the end.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_09]: But while you were in the fair city of London,

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Sweeneytown, as I like to call it,

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_09]: you go to a cinema.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I went to a cinema.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought you were spelled the other way.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right with the E at the end.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Right and purchased the ticket to the Yieldtree.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I wanted to ask my initial question,

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: which is why I brought up the Harry Potter thing.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I was reading about initial reviews of Harry Potter

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and the Sorcerer's Stone movie.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And there was some critic.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorcerer's Stone.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I forget who in a negative review was like Tim Burton

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: should have directed this movie.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And then that had me wondering,

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: is that what Miss Peregrine is like?

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it his Harry Potter?

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Possibly, but also in a way where it feels like him being like,

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess I should have done something like this.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_09]: The one he should have done was fucking Lemony Snicket.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_09]: But at that time, it felt like he went,

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_09]: this feels a little too obvious.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_09]: It's too hack. I'm doing other stuff.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Right, versus Peregrine is him now,

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_09]: like 10 years later being like,

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess I'll do one of these.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know that he would have made an amazing Harry Potter.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_08]: The whole question with Harry Potter is,

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_08]: would there ever have been like an interesting version

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_08]: of the first movie?

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Because it felt like the whole enterprise was more like,

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_08]: no, no, no.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Like we can't be interesting.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: We have to just be faithful.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And that sense of does feel like Columbus was the perfect choice.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: In rewatching those movies, I do think they work.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: They work.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_09]: They're watchable.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_09]: He said a template that was sturdy enough.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_09]: He did.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_09]: He sustained 15 years.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think the template really is the Cuarón template.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what all of the morons after Ask-a-Ban is...

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_09]: The first guy to elevate it.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, but Columbus cast it correctly.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_09]: What's fascinating about...

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Built the sets correctly.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Those movies is though as much as I...

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I've met Chris Columbus.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a wonderful guy.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He seems like a true mensch.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_08]: The kids talk about him so, so fondly

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_08]: and said he really protected us for those movies,

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_08]: which is sort of crucial to them keeping doing the movies.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_08]: All good foundation shit.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_08]: The leap in just like voice from Chamber of Secrets

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: to Ask-a-Ban is so...

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's crazy.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Watching them back to back is fucking wild.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Given that these are insane corporate giant

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_08]: like money making ventures,

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: like controlled by an author, controlled by a studio.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: To watch Cuarón come in you're like,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: oh shit right, that's the directors too.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, that's their job.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_09]: But that was this whole thing,

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_09]: the Harry Potter thing was like fuck,

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Spielberg wants to do it.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_09]: J.K. Rowling wants Terry Gilliam.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_09]: The public is clamoring for Tim Burton

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're like none of these would have worked out.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Shaman came up a lot.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the idea of Shaman doing it.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe he could have knelt it.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Here's the point.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Nah, you needed it whatever it doesn't matter.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Doesn't matter.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Columbus said was the right guy for that specific job.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Which was the beginning of almost these things

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_09]: being less about who could make the best movie right now

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and who could set the best template for a franchise.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_09]: All of this to say,

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_09]: this narrative on Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_09]: for a while that we've all just been kind of like

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_09]: scratching the armrest and going like,

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to get too excited was,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_09]: okay, he's doing Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Ooh, this could go really right or really, really badly.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Right?

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_09]: The worst version of this is just like claw your eyes out.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Nightmare.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_09]: You did not like this movie, Marie?

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I did not.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think you felt that level of like,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I was pretty...

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I wasn't enraged.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: There are parts of the movie that I enjoyed,

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_05]: but I do think I let months of Burton's back baby

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: enthusiasm get to me because we were talking like,

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin, you were getting intel from people like months ago

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: about the Willem Dafoe character and the emphasis on practical sex.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_05]: This was the big thing.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, oh my God, this sounds so fucking good.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't make a movie for five years.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_09]: He does Wednesday, which is huge.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I have not watched a millisecond of Wednesday.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I realized it is maybe the only publicly consumable thing

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_09]: that Tim Burton's ever directed that I have not seen

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_09]: because my obsessiveness with him was so wild for years

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_09]: that I'm like, I don't think there's a commercial

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_09]: or a music video or a viewable short film he did

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_09]: that I have not seen until Wednesday,

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_09]: which I didn't watch and is his most culturally relevant thing

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_09]: he had done in 10 years.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I just tell you some news?

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Please.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_08]: That came over the wires.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh boy.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Clint Eastwood's Juror Number Two will be closing

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_08]: the AFI Fest on October 27th

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and then opening in theaters on November 1st.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just here.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Great. Guess what? That's winning Best Picture.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think so.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It's winning Best Juror.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_08]: That could happen.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Or a Boster.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_09]: New Oscar.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think he might be a Bad Juror.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a matter of perception.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, a very good juror in that he knows the case

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_09]: intimately.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: This is just good so he can pivot to the

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Biden Getting Railroaded movie,

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_08]: which I am now convinced needs to be Clint Eastwood's

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_08]: swan song.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Is about Biden Getting Railroaded.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my God.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It's getting too big.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you think so?

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm overwhelmed thinking about it.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Clint's like, I'm playing Biden.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_09]: That's really strong.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_09]: That was my one contingency.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I only want to see if he's playing Biden.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to do the whole debate in the movie.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_08]: That's just in the movie.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The whole Trump debate is in there.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Everyone else in the cast is a non-actor.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_09]: He cast the guys from the train to play

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_09]: the rest of Biden's cabinet.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoever plays Kamala is going to play her like

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_08]: a fucking in Richard Joule.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_08]: What's her name?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Olivia Wilde.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Olivia Wilde.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm playing that character.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It'll be just like playing her like so evil.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_08]: That'll be Clint Stake.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I got railroaded.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he was the president.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that'll be it.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_08]: She was out partying all night.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetle, goose, beetle, goose.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetle, goose, beetle, goose.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_09]: There had been this thing.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_09]: You and I both like Dumbo more than a lot of people.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_09]: We felt there was some juice in it,

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_09]: some stuff in it.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Certainly not a movie that wholly works.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_09]: It's got a lot of the Disney remake problem

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_09]: that we've been so exhausted by,

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_09]: but it felt like one of the only ones,

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_09]: if not the only one that was actually trying

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_09]: to do something different.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And what was interesting about it,

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that you and I both felt

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_09]: is textually you feel in the movie

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Burton starting to fight against

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_09]: am I a caged animal?

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Am I a freak that's been commodified?

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Michael Keaton playing this weirdo version

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_09]: of Walt Disney.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Bob Iger.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_08]: That was our reading into it.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Keaton saying he didn't think he was locked in

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_08]: in Dumbo and I'm like, bro.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's very locked in in that movie.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: You're good in that movie.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Let me put it this way.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Even if he's not happy with the choices he made,

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he's like sleepwalking through that.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_09]: No, he's doing stuff.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_09]: He's doing a lot.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_09]: That movie feels like it's doing a lot,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_09]: is a movie that is fighting with itself,

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_09]: which maybe makes it less functional,

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_09]: but it makes it more interesting

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_09]: than a lot of the Burton movies leading up to it.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And it left us in a place of like,

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_09]: is the guy going to reconnect?

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And then the last five years,

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_09]: the Wednesday thing I sort of just don't engage with,

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I felt really bummed out when they announced it.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, this is the most predictable thing he could do.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_09]: He's doing fucking Netflix now.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_09]: This sucks.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_09]: But then it gets him this boost of relevancy.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Keaton is 10 years into his comeback.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Winona's on the biggest fucking TV show in the world.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Katharine O'Hara wins an Emmy.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Like suddenly you're like everyone's kind of back.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_08]: There are a few people who are unbacked though.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Alec Baldwin, Mr. Jeffrey Jones, I would say.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Those guys are not back.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_08]: You have this core three actors.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's interesting.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_09]: The recent hit.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_08]: The rebound that various folks had had

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: that had probably helped convince Warner Brothers.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Like yeah, let's do it.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Seth Gramsmith and Katzenberg in the early 2010s,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_09]: pre-Birdman went to Warner Brothers

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_09]: and were like, has anyone tried to take a new stab at Beetlejuice?

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Started developing it then.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So there've been scripts

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_09]: even before Keaton's value went back up.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And this became a higher priority thing.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And suddenly it's like, this is fucking happening.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_09]: We're all sort of like, is this a good idea?

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Is this a bad idea?

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And then everything that's coming out is you're saying Marie

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_09]: is like Burton's doing interviews where he's like,

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm never working for Disney ever again.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Dumbo was me having an essential crisis.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I realized I need to reset myself

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and get back in touch with my initial instincts.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you're hearing Keaton agrees to Beetlejuice,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_09]: on the terms of it's practical.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_09]: And you're like, fuck.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you that it's-

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And everyone's saying like Tim's like a live onset.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_09]: He seems excited.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_09]: There's joy.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: The vibes felt good.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: The vibes felt really good.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It opened in Venice? Good sign.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Good.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure. Some confidence there.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was hearing, you know,

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_09]: the range of things that I was hearing,

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_09]: there are some people I had heard be like,

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's a lot of fun.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it works.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I had heard early from certain people,

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_09]: like the script is a disaster,

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_09]: but Keaton's really locked in

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and Burton's having fun for the first time in years.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's been my baseline

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_09]: of just like at the very least I want to feel that watching it.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's true.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's true.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_09]: You cannot get around how disastrous the script is.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And what's frustrating about it

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_09]: is I was ready for it to be bad

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_09]: in a sort of like it's undercooked way.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_09]: It's so much more frustrating to be like,

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_09]: this is so overly busy and so overly thought

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and you could take like five things out of it

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and the movie works 20% better.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Like the fact that it's an addition by subtraction solve

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_09]: makes it so much more frustrating

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_09]: than them not identifying what it should have been to me.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: When was the last time you guys watched Beatlejuice 1988?

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Very recently. You also watched it very recently.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Your husband just saw it for the first time.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I watched it like the day before I saw

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: the thing that really stood out to me on this rewatch

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: is how simple.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_09]: This is what's simple.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_09]: It is simple. Although it throws a lot at you.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's what makes this so hard to define

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_09]: and I want to say I've had a big breakthrough

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_09]: in the last week of I think

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I finally have sort of solved what happened to Tim Burton,

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_09]: which we at the end of that mini series, I was like,

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I hope I gained some clarity from watching all these 20 movies

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_09]: of like what was it that went wrong?

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think I finally fucking figured it out watching this

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_09]: even though this movie feels to me the most promising sign

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_09]: in a long time.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_09]: You can't breathe in space.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_09]: That's the issue.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And you've been trying so hard to space him for years.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_09]: There is the character in the waiting room

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_09]: where you see all these incredible like, you know,

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_09]: the Eddard Dory cartoon, how did this person die?

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_09]: There is the character on if you notice Ben

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_09]: that is an astronaut whose face has clearly been sucked

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_09]: through his broken visor.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_09]: That feels like almost Burton being like,

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I see you fucking Hosley.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_09]: You tried to do this to me.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm here making fucking deals.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we should add that to our list of Ben

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Hosley Easter eggs and media.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh sure.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a direct reference to Ben.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So what is wrong with Tim Burton?

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_09]: This is what I think it is.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_09]: So we lose track of how simple the core premise

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_09]: of Beetlejuice actually is because the movie is so chaotic.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_09]: He's throwing so much at us that it's part of what everyone

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: gets wrong trying to replicate something like it.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_09]: But there is a really good fucking one line high

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_09]: concept comedy premise to Beetlejuice,

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_09]: which is ghosts are trying to scare humans out of their home.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_09]: And like we lose track of that.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_09]: People forget.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I think genuinely forget that the Maitlands are the main

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_09]: characters of that movie.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess so.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_09]: They are the spine of the story.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, but all this color comes from all these

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_09]: wild dimensions.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_09]: This is the core problem.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And I also did a watch through of all Michael Keaton's

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_09]: movies recently for the big picture and was trying to

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_09]: similarly analyze what was the issue when Michael

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Keaton kind of lost the thread on his career.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a really funny episode because you're doing a Mount

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Rushmore and you guys talk about Keaton for a while

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and what makes him interesting.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And then you're like, maybe it's like Batman Beetlejuice

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_08]: spotlight or fucking guarantee.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's just argue over the fourth.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's basically.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_09]: It's almost yes.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: What I didn't finish is that Mr.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Mom made the case for Mr.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Mom as being totemically the most important in the fourth

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: slot.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think it's anywhere close to his fourth mode.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_08]: You were kind of between Mr.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Mom and Night Shift and you guys were all kind of like,

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_08]: we don't want to put Birdman on it.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So we're not going to.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Most people would do that.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Most people would.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I just put spotlight on it and be like, that includes Birdman.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, that's the best representation of elder statesman

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Keaton, dramatic actor.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_09]: But talking about Keaton comparing him to a lot of

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_09]: comedy stars and he tried to veer away from this.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_09]: The thing that befalls a lot of comedy stars is

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_09]: they're funny.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Funny is the thing you kind of can't put a price on.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like unquantifiable.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Someone hits or they don't.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_09]: They get this involuntary reaction from the audience.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_09]: You watch shit like Beverly Hills cop and Eddie Murphy just

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_09]: comes in and he's just like got so much energy.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_09]: He's such a tornado.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_09]: He's giving it his all.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_09]: He's got so much to prove and you're like, holy fucking shit.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And then that escalates Eddie Murphy to being a 20 million

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_09]: dollar movie star.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And you get to the point where 20 years later studios are

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_09]: like, well, if we have a script that's good,

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_09]: why do we offer it to Eddie Murphy?

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_09]: The script is funny.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_09]: We don't need to pay him $20 million to make it funny.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_09]: You pay Eddie Murphy $20 million to make something that feels

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_09]: like it should be funny, but isn't funny, funny.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Where they go, if we put Eddie Murphy in a haunted house,

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_09]: that would be funny, right?

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_09]: A movie that basically attempts to be Beetlejuice.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_09]: The haunted mansion.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_09]: That Disney did twice of like, if you put funny people

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_09]: in the house, it'll be funny, right?

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Without having a funny script.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And Tim Burton is one of the few examples of a director

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_09]: whose style is so unique and singular that it's not just

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_09]: a brand into itself, but the idea of,

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_09]: but imagine if he did the Tim Burton version of this.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Was so compelling to studios that for this guy who has

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_09]: always admitted, I really don't know how to judge whether a

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_09]: script works or not.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I know what ideas sometimes excite me, but I don't think

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I have a sense for like story structure, emotional arcs,

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_09]: any of this.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_09]: When he's starting out in his career and he's somewhat

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_09]: unproven and he's pushing the boundaries and making movies

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_09]: that cross genre lines and don't really have a precedent.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Studios are really kind of holding the feet to the flame

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_09]: of trying to make the script work before they let him get to set.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_09]: These scripts go through rigorous years of development

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_09]: before they even land on his doorstep.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I think it gets to a point where they're like,

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_09]: if Tim Burton did Alice in Wonderland, would that be

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_09]: interesting?

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Just fucking do it buddy.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And they just assume like much like if we pay Eddie Murphy

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_09]: $20 million, he'll show up and he'll say some funny shit.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean the other weird thing of course is like all

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_08]: those later Burton movies have all star writers on them.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_08]: But you know that probably just belies like lots of passes

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_08]: by lots of people.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And what's insane to me about the problems with this

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_09]: script is they don't feel like the effect of too much

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_09]: meddling by a studio.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_09]: It feels like them being like, we'll probably figure it

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_09]: out on set.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_09]: We gave him a bunch of ideas and he'll figure some shit

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_09]: out.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And the best stuff in the movie is the stuff where it just

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_09]: feels like he's just kind of fucking going off.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, Beedlejuice as you say has a core premise that is

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not a long movie.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a 90 minute movie has a core premise that is this

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: cute and makes sense.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_08]: These these ghosts want to get people out of their

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_08]: house that makes the villains Catherine O'Hara and

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Jeffrey Jones and basically.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And then Beedlejuice himself is this wild card who

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of shifts between sides.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's the classic version of you have a greater

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_09]: villain that actually causes the heroes to unite

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_09]: with the presumed villains.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But it also has Harry Belafonte songs.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It has the sandworm and it has like motion capture

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_08]: that comes out of nowhere.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Stop motion.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean stop motion.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it has some motion capture actually.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think so.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it does.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Those sandworms are played by actors.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Carrie All was right.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: That stuff that when you see the movie the first time

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_08]: you're like who thought to do that?

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, like what the Calypso music like

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_08]: what about this Connecticut ghost movie suggests

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Calypso music and yet there it is right.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, like the premise of it is simple enough

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_09]: that he got to color in all these margins with

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_09]: these ideas that you're just like where did

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_09]: that come from or who else would think to

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_09]: execute that in that way.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's what used to work for him is giving

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_09]: him a sturdy architecture with also a lot of

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_09]: space for him to fill in.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_09]: But he needs good bones, right?

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just weird with Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice that they

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_08]: took so long to figure out a sequel because I'm like

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_08]: you don't need to do much.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Beetlejuice in Hawaii sounds the best to me.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_09]: The other premise that they kicked around for a while

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_09]: was Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian was one

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_09]: of two scripts that really kicked around for about a decade.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Daniel Waters of Heathers and stuff worked on that one.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_09]: That was at Burton's suggestion.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_09]: He was like, you know what feels like a funny area

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_09]: for a sequel is smashing the sort of gothic

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_09]: German expressionism of Beetlejuice with a like

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_09]: 50s, 60s beach movie.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's like a Lydia movie that was sort

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_09]: of running with Lydia's popped.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_09]: The cartoon shows running people like Lydia and

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice as a team.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe this movie is more than working together.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_09]: The other script was interesting because it's

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_09]: the other way they could have gone about this,

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_09]: which was called Beetlejuice in Love.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I believe one of the original writers of the

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_09]: first movie was working on this.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And that was, hey, here's a movie where Beetlejuice

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_09]: attaches himself to new humans.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_09]: You have an entirely new cast and Beetlejuice

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_09]: exists in a similar role.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_09]: It was like a dead guy comes down to the underworld

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_09]: hires Beetlejuice as his bioexorcist

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_09]: to try to, I think someone was romancing

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_09]: his ex-girlfriend.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_09]: The whole point of the movie was Beetlejuice

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_09]: becomes in love with this dead guy's living wife

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and becomes obsessed with going up to Earth

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_09]: to try to get her a similar kind of like

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice has his machinations.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_09]: People unwittingly involve him in something

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_09]: don't realize he's going to turn.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Both of these premises you just explained

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_05]: really succinctly within one or two senses.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You cannot do that with this movie.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_09]: The only way to describe the premise of this movie

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_09]: is explaining what happened in the first Beetlejuice.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_09]: All of it is sort of iterating on,

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_09]: because even just saying, it's a movie about

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: three generations of women who have to

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of come back and reckon with their

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_09]: relationship to this guy.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But also not really?

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_09]: This movie is not about anything.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_09]: This movie is not about anything.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not about anything.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I think there are a couple things that could

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_08]: have been about the multi,

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_08]: the mother stepmother mother daughter relationship

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: if it's about anything at all.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_08]: But really it's just about like everyone you

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_08]: remember from Beetlejuice except the people who got

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_08]: canceled are back.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The kids in the hall are coming back on stage

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_08]: and they're going to do some of the sketches

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_08]: you know.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And a couple new things that feel like the

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_09]: best invocation of the style you remember.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_08]: In their defense obviously it would be hard to

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_08]: have Baldwin and Davis be in the movie in any

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_08]: sense, cancellation or not just because

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_08]: they're older and they're not supposed to age.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The logic, yeah I agree and I think their

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_08]: narrative is pretty much resolved by the end

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_08]: of the first one.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just tough because Beetlejuice literally

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_08]: ends with like we're all going to live together

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and it'll be happy.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice has the one line

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_08]: with like yeah we uh.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We figured out a loophole and that's it.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't worry about it.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice has a lot of

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_08]: don't worry about it and I like the

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_08]: anarchic spirit of the character Beetlejuice.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And you like you co-sign all of his actions

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_08]: and his political beliefs?

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_08]: He papers over a lot of don't worry

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_08]: about it right where it's like it's Beetlejuice

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_08]: who cares he does magic shit.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't matter but there is a lot of

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_08]: don't worry about it in this world.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Well and here's the.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Why can't they see the dad?

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Why can't they see the dad?

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Why can't she see the dad makes no sense.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_08]: They never, she's like I'm so mad that

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_08]: you can't see her father and you're

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: like oh there's like an emotional hook to that.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_08]: That's an interesting little kind of curse

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_08]: of like oh she can see the dad but she

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_08]: can't see you know this person and

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_08]: then at the end like at the end he's

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_08]: like I'm sorry you can't see me and

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like okay so it's just kind of like

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_09]: the first tough.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice has the right amount of

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_09]: rules versus we're not explaining this

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and we're not making you think about the

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_09]: fact that we're not explaining this.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_08]: It has the brilliant joke of all the

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_08]: rules are in this book and it's like

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_08]: what is this book?

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like oh no one wants to read it

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_08]: it's so boring.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_05]: But then you also have like Otho saying

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: like oh there's a joke that people

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_05]: who commit suicide end up working

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_05]: as civil servants in the afterlife.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great joke.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is a joke but you also like

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of be like okay yeah that works.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_09]: There's this aspect of like can Lydia

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_09]: only see ghosts that are roaming

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_09]: around in our world like the

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Maitlands versus the ghosts that are

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_09]: stuck in the afterworld offices.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_09]: But if so why did he end up there?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Why did he end up there?

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Other than him having a visually

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_09]: humorous death?

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I do not know.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't say.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_08]: There's I don't.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of that.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how much I care but

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_08]: it does make the movie feel a

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_08]: little...

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_08]: It feels sloppy.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It feels so sloppy.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It feels so sloppy.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait a second are you just

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_08]: saying you detect a cinema sin or

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_08]: two in this movie?

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_08]: They're not dishing this for me at

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_08]: the end of the movie.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_08]: What if I say it's not realistic?

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of my new thing where

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just pointing out when movies

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_07]: are unrealistic.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Like there's ghosts in this movie

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_08]: that's not realistic.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_08]: That's not realistic.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_08]: That's just not something that

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_08]: really happens.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Where's the proof?

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice doesn't appear

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_09]: when you say his name three times.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_09]: We've said his name like 80 times

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_09]: this episode.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Can I say what I think is the

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_05]: most unrealistic aspect of the

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: movie?

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Please.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is something that's

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_05]: really bothered me.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: The...

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the teenage

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_05]: dead kid.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, look at the spoilers.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Jeremy?

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_08]: His name is Jeremy.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_08]: He's played by an actor named

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Arthur Conti who just looks like...

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: grandson of Tom Conti

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_05]: who played Einstein in

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Optimize.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I've talked about a lot on this

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_08]: show.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But he kills his parents

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a thing I knew...

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_08]: He like murdered them

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_08]: horribly.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And then accidentally died.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: How did the mom die?

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_08]: He put a...

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_08]: You put a kitchen utensil in

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_08]: the head?

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like a blender in her face.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That was a blender?

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It looked like an egg beater.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, egg beater stick.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: How do you kill someone with

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: an egg beater?

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_09]: It's probably horrible.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it takes a lot of effort

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_09]: and persistence and I think

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_09]: focus.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_09]: You don't do it in one shot.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And then...

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_08]: You got to commit to the idea.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He died falling out of the

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_08]: tree house when the cops came

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_08]: to get him or whatever.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Then he broke his neck.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_05]: No, the egg beater thing

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_05]: just really upset me.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, you just didn't like that?

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_05]: No, because I'm like...

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I just say this?

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Please.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted him to not be a ghost

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_08]: and for instead,

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: the fact that you don't see his

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_08]: parents' faces at the start

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and one's just in the kitchen

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and one's just...

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_08]: To be just kind of like an

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: interesting kind of timburtony

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_08]: commentary on like,

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: ah, teen life is such a shit.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_08]: It was such a specific choice

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_08]: that when that happened

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I had the exact same...

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I had the 80% like,

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_08]: okay, they're probably...

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I knew he was a fucking

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: ghost immediately because

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I watched season one

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: of American Horror Story

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: with the exact same plotline.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Poor Tassia Farmiga.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I know, isn't it so sad?

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_08]: She can't leave the house.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Ugh.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And she's stuck with fucking

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Dylan McDermott.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Spoilers, I haven't watched it yet.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, sorry.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But also...

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_09]: This is my new bit,

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_09]: getting angry at spoilers for shows

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't sign up for 10 years ago.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_09]: In that show.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_09]: That's the film about to start.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: There's at least like the...

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Spoilers, don't tell me

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: there are other twists.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I think there are, I can't remember.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna be looking for them.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a guy in a gimp suit.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Spoilers!

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that was like

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_08]: in the advertising.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but you don't know

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_05]: who's in the gimp suit.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I hadn't been watching the

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_08]: advertiser, I've been

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_08]: saving it.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: You're just on the subway

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_08]: platform going,

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Spoilers!

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Spoilers!

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_08]: There's like posters there.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But like in that show,

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It's what's Evan Peters

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: or what is that his name?

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the whole funny thing

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_08]: about American Horror Story

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: is like just confusing those guys.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a school shooter.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh sure.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And he, the teen girl who

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: just moved in the house

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: falls in love with him.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Not realizing that he's a ghost.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And that he's a school shooter.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, so it's really similar to this.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Then she finds out

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_09]: that he's a ghost.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_09]: American Horror.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But it also was like...

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I was about to watch that.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And I feel like they only called it

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_09]: that retroactively.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_09]: They only called it that retroactively.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it wasn't ghost house,

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it was murder house.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Murder house, sorry.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Spoilers!

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But like the same like the grunge

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_05]: outfit like stuck in the

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: early 90s, the guys.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the exact same thing.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't watch American Horror

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Story, so this was kind of

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: fresh for me.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_09]: But I did sort of like this.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God, I hated it.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought this worked for me

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_08]: better than certain aspects of

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't just like it.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_08]: But it just felt like one of many

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_08]: plots.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And I kind of wanted them to pick

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_08]: a reason for things to be

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_08]: happening rather than have kind

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_08]: of like four half reasons.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, here's my big thing.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I like Monika Bellucci.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Monika Bellucci.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I like Willem Dafoe.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_09]: I think both of these

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_09]: characters have fun ideas

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_09]: behind them and fun looks.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but you could cut him

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: out of the movie, it doesn't

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: make a difference.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_09]: No, and I'm just like,

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't understand how someone

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_09]: didn't stop at some point and

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_09]: go, hey, it's wonderful.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And then after the other,

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_09]: they're basically both similar

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_09]: threads that amount to nothing.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_09]: The movie finally brings them

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're like, oh, this is

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_09]: going to be the crazy all the

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_09]: threads converge.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And this was all happening for

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: a reason.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_09]: And the builders basically

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_09]: goes like, eh, not interested.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: It cuts the plot thread.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_09]: That's funny.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_09]: It's kind of funny.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, here's the-

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_09]: And I almost want to give him

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_09]: credit for being like, I don't

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: give a shit.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_09]: But then I'm like, why?

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Like-

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we know why Monika

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Bellucci's in the movie.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Why is Wilhelm Defoe in the

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_08]: movie?

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm really not sure.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't-

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like having a

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_08]: funny idea.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of a fun new thread

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: of people are chasing Beetlejuice.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Here's the plot of

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just going to lay it out

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_08]: character by character.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't wait to see what

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_08]: it is.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to do

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: character by character.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Winona writer is Lydia Dietz

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_08]: since Beetlejuice.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_08]: She has married Santiago Cabrera,

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_08]: lost him, divorced him and

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_08]: then he died in the

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Amazon.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I've lost him long before

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I've lost him long before

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_08]: he died.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_08]: She had a kid with

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_08]: a mother named Astrid

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_08]: played by Jenna Ortega,

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_08]: but they are somewhat

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_08]: estranged because

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Astrid doesn't like

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_08]: that she's this hack,

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of ghost TV show.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Long Island medium,

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: but she wears all

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: like Calm to Garcione

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and Junior Wanchinobi.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But also seems to take

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_09]: more effort.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Her father,

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_09]: some degree,

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_09]: blames her mother

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_09]: for the father being

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_09]: gay.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_09]: So Astrid,

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: to pick up that thread is

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_08]: right.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_08]: A disaffected teenager

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_08]: at boarding school.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: She reads books

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_05]: like crime and punishment

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like crime and punishment

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_08]: or just a science

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and dislikes global warming.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And she doesn't believe

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_08]: in ghosts because

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_08]: she's revealing against

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_08]: her mother.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's not realistic.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_08]: She's kind of a

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben Haasley in that sense.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Catherine Herrera is

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Dealea Dietz.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: She's chilling in

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Connecticut making

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_08]: her silly art making

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_08]: everything about her doing

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_08]: big projects.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't think she

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: is chilling in Connecticut.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_05]: She's kind of in New York.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: She's got like her own

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_05]: little gallery space.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Insulations.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked the device

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: of the graffiti artist

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_05]: dying and that being.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Art.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, yes.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: When I say I don't like

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: this movie, like there are

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: little moments and bits

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and scenes that I like

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_05]: that I think are fun.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_09]: And those bits have

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_09]: innately more energy

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_09]: and creativity to me

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_09]: than Burton has

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_09]: shown in a while.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_08]: There's lots of fun stuff.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Justin Thoreau is there.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_08]: He plays Lydia's new

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_08]: fiancee.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He's kind of the

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Otho of the movie of like

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_08]: who's the most obnoxious

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_09]: living person who everyone

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_09]: can kind of laugh at.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of the New Dealea too.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you're right.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He's both.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, he's just right.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_08]: This kind of phony.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_08]: He's this like very obvious

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_08]: phony and then

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: over in the afterlife.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_09]: They did this TV show together.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_09]: He is sort of reluctantly

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_09]: plying her prescription

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_09]: medication.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_09]: She seems kind of on edge

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_09]: very much the modern mode

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_09]: of Winona.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Is this person about to shatter?

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Seems like a little stretched.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Then in the afterlife,

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice played by Michael Keaton.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's who.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, I was trying to figure

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_08]: out who that was.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Seems to be running a call center

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_08]: with a bunch of shrunken head folks.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Funny.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And then also we have

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Monica Baluchis Dolores,

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_08]: who is Beetlejuice's ex-wife

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_08]: who murdered him

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and then he murdered her

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_08]: in maybe Italy and like, you know.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And like a very like

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of Bava.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Mario Bava type movie.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I like everything about the setup of this.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, me too.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that part when

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_05]: he starts speaking in Italian.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Which was, I was like, oh great.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is awesome.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I love it.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Do we really need a Beetlejuice

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_09]: backstory?

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, no, this is

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_09]: the right kind of.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_09]: It's just funny to be like

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_08]: backstory.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_09]: He's to be alive, but

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_09]: he was the same fucking guy.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_08]: A 14th century Grape robber

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_08]: who fucked a black widow.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And then when she killed him,

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_08]: he got mad and chopped her to pieces.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_08]: She has reassembled

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_08]: and wants to suck his soul

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_08]: because she's a soul sucker.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Not explained.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: And has maybe three lines

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_09]: of dialogue in the entire movie.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Basically just is introduced

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_09]: seven times, walking slowly

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_09]: through a room,

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_09]: sucking someone's forehead

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and then continuing to walk.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Monica Baluchis looks wonderful.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Is currently partnered

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_08]: with Tim Burton.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Do we know timeline wise?

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Were they dating

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and then she was written

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_09]: into this movie or vice versa?

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Not sure.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_09]: But you know,

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_08]: it's we're good.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_08]: We're good.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just acknowledge Tim Burton

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_09]: quietly has revealed

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_09]: himself to be one of

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_09]: their rights.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I hit he's a legendary stickman.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_09]: The numbers don't lie

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_09]: at this point.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He has a type.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Obviously,

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_08]: he's often dating the same sort

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_08]: of like, you know,

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_08]: beautiful raven haired

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_08]: goddess.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Kitty got girlfriend.

[00:47:03] Sorry.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Not always that,

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_08]: but I do feel like

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_08]: he has a Gothic type

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_08]: of lady.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_08]: He likes to squire around town.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's an

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_05]: isn't big titty goth

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: girlfriend like a thing.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, isn't that an archetype

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_05]: that people talk about

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: on the internet?

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, Tim Burton

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_08]: makes money every time

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_08]: someone says it.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Are you telling me the

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_08]: internet talks about tits?

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Wilm Dafoe plays a character

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_08]: called Wolf Jackson,

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_08]: who is a ghost detective

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_08]: who is like a shitty actor.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_09]: He was a shitty actor

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_09]: on a procedural cop show

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: who now in death

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_09]: has become a real cop.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Sort of.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Byrne Gorman

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_09]: in kind of a wonderful

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_09]: performance is a fussy

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_09]: little priest

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_09]: who's also like a quiet

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_09]: alcoholic.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Seems that way.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Constantly trying to cover it up.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's a wonderful

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_08]: performance from Danny

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_08]: DeVito is a blue-faced janitor

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_08]: who gets squished into a pancake.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's addicted to drinking antifreeze?

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of rocks.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Or varnish.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Is it floor varnish?

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I took it as antifreeze,

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_09]: but I wasn't sure.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, some kind of product.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Would you be surprised

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_09]: to hear that Ben

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_09]: seemed very excited

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_09]: during this sequence

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_09]: of the movie

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_09]: when Danny DeVito

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_09]: showed up

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_09]: blue chug and toxic liquids

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_09]: drooling out of his mouth

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and put it in his mouth

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_08]: and it's gonna dump with more of it.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And the inciting incident

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_08]: is that Jeffrey Jones's character

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Charles

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_08]: has died horribly

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_08]: in not a plane crash,

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_08]: not by drowning,

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_08]: but he was eaten by a shark

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_08]: after those two things.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this is a lovely sequence.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_08]: It is.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_09]: A real like fuck

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_09]: is this gonna totally work

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_09]: sequence of the movie

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: where you're like Burton

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_09]: suddenly cuts to stop motion,

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_09]: perhaps largely work around to the fact

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_09]: that you don't want to allow

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Jeffrey Jones on to a set,

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_09]: a physical location.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_09]: But yes, you're watching

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_09]: the explanation of his tragic death

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_09]: played out in these like funny

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_09]: stop motion models that also look

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_09]: a little different to Burton's

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_09]: usual style, I would say.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Supposedly Burton said to Miles Millar

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_08]: and Alfred Gao who wrote the script

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_08]: like that was his worst nightmare.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Like what if I was in a plane crash

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_08]: survived and then got even by a shark

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_08]: and they were like, oh, that's funny.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll do that.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And his death brings everyone

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_08]: to Connecticut to their old house.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Alkbold went into your neighborhood

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Mr. Gumbag is a loophole and

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and everyone's here.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, Lydia and

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Delia are kind of getting along now.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia seems just basically a little

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_08]: beaten down by life.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Addicted to pills.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, maybe.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And I thought that's also kind of

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_09]: abandoned drop in the first

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_09]: when they introduced at the beginning

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_09]: of the movie, you're like, oh, wow.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_09]: This feels like a more bracing

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_09]: realistic thing than most Tim Burton

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_09]: movies touch on.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I just saw Edward again recently.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_09]: They did an anniversary screening of it

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_09]: where Larry Kerazooski did a Q&A

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_09]: and there's that feeling of like, oh,

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_09]: watching like Tim Burton depict

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_09]: like drug addiction, you know.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Is like sobering.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it is.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's part of the magic of that

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_09]: movie is when he lets like the tragedies

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_09]: of real life kind of seep in

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_09]: for these people who want to live

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_09]: in like fantasy world.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_09]: And there's a little bit of that

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_09]: feeling of like the two of them

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_09]: fighting over the pills in the bathroom

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_09]: and then amounts to nothing.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia Dietz, I would say.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think we're known as bad in this

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_08]: movie at all.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of nice to see her

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_08]: try to reach back to, you know,

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_08]: her youth.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_08]: But her character is the film's

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_08]: biggest problem, I would say.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_09]: So here's what I think is the thread

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_09]: of the movie that is the most compelling

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_09]: that I don't think is the most

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_09]: compelling in execution, but the idea

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_09]: they have and I think especially to

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Tim Burton not to project a ton

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_09]: of shit onto him.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Tim Burton had a

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_09]: weird relationship with his father, right?

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_09]: The classic thing is reflected in all

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_09]: of his movies of like I was a weird

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_09]: dark boy born in Burbank.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_09]: My parents didn't understand why I wasn't

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_09]: happy and why I want to spend

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_09]: all my time thinking about monsters

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and not go out and play ball.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_09]: You know the entire dynamic that

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_09]: his short film Vincent, his first

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_09]: real film project immediately

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_09]: summarizes which will be the key text

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_09]: of all of his work.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Big Fish is the movie he makes in response

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_09]: to his father dying and trying as

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_09]: an adult to come to terms with

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_09]: someone who has just a very different

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_09]: perception of life than he did and find

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_09]: some common ground, right?

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Now Tim Burton is at a point where he has

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_09]: children who are teenagers,

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_09]: college age.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know anything about his kids.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not going to make any assumptions

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_09]: here, but it is

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_09]: funny in a movie where he's clearly

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_09]: relating to Lydia

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_09]: more than any other character in the original

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice, right? That feels like the stand

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_09]: in for Tim Burton.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_09]: This feeling of I'm in a nice house

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and all I think about is darkness.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I was taking it right. Forget even

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_08]: the family stuff, but just like him being

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_08]: like did I just sell out? Am I just kind

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_08]: of lazy now? Like you know, like that.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_09]: That part of it, but also

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_09]: that the thing that Lydia is dealing

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_09]: with is that her rebellious

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_09]: teenage daughter is more

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_09]: normal than she is, right?

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_09]: This weird flip of perspective

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_09]: that he's now able to speak

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_09]: from of I went through

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_09]: being defined by my confusion

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_09]: with my surroundings,

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_09]: my lineage, you know,

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I was born in the wrong place, the wrong

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_09]: people, then trying to come to terms

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_09]: with them and then having my own kids,

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_09]: seeing them become their own people.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_09]: It felt like there was a perspective

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_09]: here he could talk to.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, but I don't think that's in the movie, Griffin.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's in the setup of the movie a little bit.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_09]: But you know, we get it. It feels like it's not really

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_05]: concerned with Astrid is immediately

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_05]: identified as an outsider.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: We see her being bullied

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: by her classmates

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_05]: who then like put a fake ghost

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: in her room and

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_07]: but I think they're making fun of her because of her

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_05]: most. No, but still, but still she

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: is still an outcast. I think there's the

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_05]: thing though. And then when she dresses

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_05]: in her off

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_05]: time, she still dresses

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_05]: like a little goth girl. Well, this is my take

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_09]: is that when they announced

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, the star of Wednesday is going to play Lydia's

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_09]: daughter in Beelge's Beelge's, you're like, yeah,

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_09]: that writes itself. She'll just be a new little

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Lydia, right?

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think it is pointed even if this movie does

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_09]: not figure out how to totally make it work

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that she is a different type of outsider

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_09]: that Lydia cannot relate

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_09]: to her being an outsider.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Sort of. I just feel like you're

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_08]: already reaching for more than he's providing.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_08]: The movie just doesn't have any of that

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_08]: because it's like Lydia is a sellout.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_08]: She's like, I'm kind of a sellout. I do this

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_08]: bullshit thing. Right? I'm sort of doing.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, my misparagran phase of just going through

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_08]: the motions. One of the funniest moments in the movie

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_08]: is when

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Delia is like, but we kind of figured it out.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And she's like, you only started liking me when I

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_08]: sold out and got successful. Delia is like,

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_08]: no, I liked you before that.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_08]: That movie is really

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_08]: really fucking good.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: She was my favorite part.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_08]: She just doesn't feel like she's trying it all.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it's just, it's weirdly

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_08]: a natural performance.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Given how effective she is.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_08]: And she's doing it. Anyway.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And then like

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia is getting married to Rory, right?

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, they go

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_08]: They go to the funeral and Rory is like

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Jesus, the opportunity goes, what if I proposed

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_09]: to you and we get married in two days? Let's have a showbiz

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Halloween marriage in two days.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, the camera.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you need to shout out how funny

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_07]: it is that the gravestone is shaped

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_07]: like a shark's. It's so fucking funny.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_09]: There is little shit like this.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_09]: It's very in the movie that

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_09]: his great son says like father, husband, bird,

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_09]: wandering. It does.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, yeah, there's just there's there's stuff

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're like, couldn't they

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_09]: have taken 70%

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_09]: of the script out and given him more room to

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_09]: do stuff and just found one

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_09]: narrative idea

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_09]: because you could then just fill in the gaps.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Rory is like, let's get married on Halloween

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_08]: and you're like, oh, OK, so

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_08]: so that will be

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of the narrative spine of the movie is

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_08]: like we're preparing for a wedding

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_08]: we nobody really wants to be a part of.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Instead, it's basically just kind of like

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_08]: when the wedding is happening and

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia is like, oh right,

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_08]: wedding I should go to.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_08]: She never seems remotely interested in it.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_08]: No one in the movie cares about it except

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_08]: for Justin Thoreau. Yes, it's a setup

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_08]: for the Beetlejuice wedding

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_08]: but you don't need that because Beetlejuice

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_08]: can just make a wedding happen by doing this.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The last movie.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Another weird choice this movie makes

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_09]: is it feels like it's not my fingers.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_09]: It's almost trying to do a parody

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_09]: of the like it's about

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_09]: trauma unpacking legacy

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and they're making fun of that a little bit

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_08]: with the Justin Thoreau with all this

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of hollow trauma.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Therapy speak, right. And this thing of

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Lydia like underlining like

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_09]: you understand this horrible thing happened to me

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_09]: when I was a child a ghost tried to marry

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_09]: me an adult ghost tried to marry

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_09]: me when I was a child which is one of those things

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_09]: that people love to say like if you look

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_09]: like a Beetlejuice actually gonna fuck up

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice is a myriad child. Yes, Beetlejuice

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_08]: is in fact not politically correct.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to be clear. Let's put all jokes aside.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_08]: No, just to finish my Lydia please.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_08]: What is this?

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, it's about her reconnecting with her daughter

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess. That's like

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_08]: the emotional thing. That's what it should be

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_08]: about. But right it feels like mostly

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_08]: they just are in parallel tracks for the entire movie

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and then you know

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Jenna or take it what the fuck is

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Astrid gets sucked into the

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_08]: netherworld and now we have to rescue her

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's like yeah of course I'm gonna rescue her. I don't want you to

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_08]: die or my daughter I love you. It also feels like

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_08]: the whole movie. And Astrid's like oh now that

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I see that you're weren't lying I forgive

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_08]: you. Yes. And you're just like

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I was fine

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_08]: bullshit nothing happens

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_08]: they don't do any work. No, this is the

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_09]: other thing I was gonna say. It feels

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_09]: like

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_09]: it makes sense that

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_09]: the idea of this wedding

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_09]: looms very large in Lydia's mind

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_09]: right? It is wild

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_09]: that Beetlejuice is reintroduced in this movie

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_09]: he opens a newspaper he sees the Charles

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Deed's side and he goes great

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_09]: now it's my chance to make the wedding happen again

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm like Beetlejuice's

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_09]: thing isn't I gotta marry people all the time

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_09]: that's how the first movie ends

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_09]: and by the way it kind of means to an end

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_09]: because his whole thing is if you marry me

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I get to come back to the world of the living

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_09]: which is what they try to do again with

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Teen Boy right? I'm

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_09]: using you as my pathway

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_08]: right why have two parallel

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_08]: there's like three parallel marriage

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_09]: plots sort of which this movie makes it seem

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_09]: like the entirety of the ghost

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_09]: world is predicated on tricking

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_09]: people into marriages

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_09]: which I'm like I want to see Beetlejuice

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_09]: have a totally different plan I want to

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_09]: see him try some new crazy shit

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see Beetlejuice on a surf board

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: well that's with a bunch of fucking

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_03]: antiquey men yeah sorry

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I just think that would have pineapples

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_08]: that would have crushed in the early 90s

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_08]: when that was like an aesthetic

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_08]: that was kind of more dominant

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_08]: right your your Tiki bar era

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_08]: right your Rocko's modern life

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_08]: your Drew Carey show right

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_08]: and now it would be like what is this

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_05]: but I almost would respect that more

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_08]: because it's even more out of date

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_05]: my favorite thing about

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_09]: was so much about teen Lydia

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was her summer cake or whatever

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and then when she got too old they were just like

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_05]: you can't do it one of the things

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that I love about like peak Tim Burton

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_05]: is the way that he combines

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: like mid-century American

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: kitsch

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_05]: with gothic

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Victorian elements

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_09]: right all these different artistic

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_09]: and cultural traditions didn't get as much of the

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_05]: mid-century

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_05]: American

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_08]: kitsch so here's the other thing

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_05]: in this that I really like

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and after like self looks great in this movie

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say by and large cause it's practical

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_08]: the IRL

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_08]: stuff looks kind of flat

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I actually was really excited for the first scene

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_05]: of the movie because they had

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_05]: a couple that was guesting on Lydia's

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: show right they both had

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_05]: really weird faces great Tim Burtony

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_05]: face and I was like oh we're in the

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: pocket we're going to

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: get back to like weird character actors

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and in my head I'm still thinking

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: about like all of the hype on

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: practical effects and all this

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and so I'm like good he's

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: like firmly back

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_05]: doing the good stuff and then

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_05]: everything

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: it just that he doesn't really

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_05]: continue on with that

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_09]: this is what it's green I go to

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_09]: still fine with my favorite film

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_09]: right I would agree perfect movie

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_09]: yes and Kersick sees

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_09]: talking afterwards needle juice my number

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_08]: two I think yeah

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I feel like that's where I landed

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_09]: back then and if I didn't

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_09]: it probably is where I land now

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_09]: but he was talking

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_09]: about the first production

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_09]: designer they hired for Ed Wood

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_09]: they had to fire

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_09]: because he was a huge Tim Burton

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_09]: fan and was like

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so excited to be working on a Tim Burton movie

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and kept on submitting Tim Burton

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_09]: designs and Tim Burton was like

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_09]: no this is me trying to do something different

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's not it

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_09]: right this is part and parcel with

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_09]: the we don't need the script to be good

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_09]: if we hire Tim Burton he'll put his shit on

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_09]: it and I'll make it fun kind of thing

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_09]: is you get to a point where everyone's showing up going

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_09]: great I get to do the Tim Burton thing

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_09]: versus what used to be interesting

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_09]: was he was having to push

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_09]: and pull people in weird directions

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_09]: out of their comfort zone you know

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_09]: and like harmonize all these wildly

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_09]: different things like you're saying of like

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_09]: oh this weird contrast of like

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_09]: it's Roger Corman but it's also

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_09]: like you know I don't know

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_09]: it's all these different

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: well it's like Roger Corman

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it's the Jetsons

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: it's also Edward Gory

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it's frozen TV dinners

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_09]: right there's so many different things he's pulling from

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and now all of that is

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_09]: synthesized as right the Tim Burton aesthetic

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_09]: it's no longer thought of as the separate pieces

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_09]: it's just its own thing

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I just want to say it's his 20th movie

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_08]: the list I was working from

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_08]: had Nightmare Before Christmas

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_08]: not I was misreading you know

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I like now you know

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_08]: so this is his 20th

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm apologizing to Henry Selick David

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_08]: that guy

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_08]: he doesn't get mad about anything

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_09]: like he won't care about that

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_09]: hey and by the way Jim Serge is Kate Bosworth

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_09]: you're on notice you can take this week off

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_08]: but in a year or two I might be calling you back up

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_08]: for sure and I'm slotting this in

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_08]: as number 11

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_08]: on my Tim Burton list

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_08]: huh there I mean

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_08]: a list that is top heavy yeah I defend

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_08]: more of the back half than you do

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I have it

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_08]: below I mean there's obviously the big

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_08]: seven that you talked about

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_08]: you know the run

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Big Eight sorry

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_08]: what do you have it above

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Dumbo, Big Eyes, Charlie and Chocobactory

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Frank and Weenie, Corpse Bride

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_08]: which is I just don't like those movies that much

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_08]: as much you know

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Miss Peregrine, Dark Shadows, Planet of the Apes

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_08]: some movie called Elson Wonderland

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I think I definitely

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_09]: put Charlie and Big Eyes above this

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_09]: sure I'm telling you what I think

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I know I hear ya I'm debating whether there's one

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_09]: more I'd put above this but that's roughly the space

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I have but I have it below like

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Sweeney and Big Fish which are the two

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: of the you know later movies

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_08]: of his that I like like things about

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah and then I put Charlie

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Big Eyes in that pot as well

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Charlie just whatever you hate

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_09]: chocolate I don't hate

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_09]: chocolate I'm gonna start this as a narrative

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that's just not true

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate hot fuzz David hates

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_08]: chocolate yeah I feel like I'm more

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_08]: negative about how fuzz than you are definitely

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_08]: that's my favorite thing I'm not even that negative

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_09]: about it no and yet

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_09]: but let's let's please repeat

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_09]: that for everyone in the back

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_09]: you know what I'm looking forward to what

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_09]: the running man with Glenn Powell

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah make it right making one of those sounds good

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_09]: him possibly doing Barbarello

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_09]: with Sydney Sweeney

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: mmm no I'm into that

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: no last night in Soho

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Barbarello is not

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: he can't do like sexy things

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Barbarello is like a parody of sex

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I could see that

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_08]: the sort of British

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Winky Barbarello is just not

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_08]: like something really

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_08]: firm to start off with you know what I mean

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: like it's just not a really good launch

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: okay but what are you saying Barbarello is just like

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_08]: boobs in space a message of Tim Burton

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_09]: to Barbarello what if Barbarello had

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_09]: dark hair I'm sure he'd have some takes

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_08]: okay Griffin let me talk

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[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice uh Beetlegeuse

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlegeuse so

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_08]: all the stuff in this

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_08]: movie that has Beetlejuice in it

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I really enjoyed

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I am a big fan of

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_08]: the actor Michael Keaton Douglas

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah he's going by that now huh

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I think so but only for like

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff he directs

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_09]: no but it did happen he was like I wanted

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_09]: to do it for Nox goes away and then I forgot

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I went to the final light and I was like

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_09]: how is Nox goes away I don't dislike

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_09]: it cool

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a little interesting I think it's weird

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that he's just twice been like

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah I guess I'll direct this sad hitman

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_09]: movie and people are like so you like

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_09]: directing he's like not really

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: wait he did another one the Mary gentlemen

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_09]: with Kelly McDonald yeah

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_09]: there's stuff and Nox goes away

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah um

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_09]: you like Michael Keaton he said

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_09]: in interviews his two

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_09]: big terms he said for Tim Burton

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_09]: in terms of returning are I think we got to go

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_09]: practical we got to get back to basics

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_09]: got to get the old crew back go back

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_09]: to the old style and the second thing

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_09]: is you have to resist the temptation

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_09]: to make Beetlejuice the main character to put

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_09]: me in every part of everyone's going to want

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_09]: to do that I think we should keep it

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_09]: to the same amount of runtime we had in the first

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_09]: movie an idea

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_09]: that I think is correct in principle

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_09]: but it speaks to the weird

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_09]: math of movies and especially when we

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_09]: talk about people who like to fucking

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_09]: runtime police how much a character

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_09]: is or isn't in a film and you're like

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_09]: it's less about minutes and it's more about feeling

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's about the division of that

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and how effective they are in the scenes they're in

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_09]: the big thing in the first

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_09]: movie is you're holding back

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice for a while because the whole

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_09]: movie is built on the foundation

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_09]: of fuck what's going to happen

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_09]: if we summon Beetlejuice right

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_09]: you have to keep him in the shadows because he's this

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_09]: mystery box yeah the whole

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_08]: great thing in the movie is right is Gene Davis

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: being like what about Beetlejuice and you know

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_08]: the people are you know he's

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_08]: so good he's no good you don't want to deal with that guy

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Jack Doc TV over the shoulder

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_09]: it takes a while for him

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_09]: to enter and then from that point

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_09]: on it's everyone trying to control him and he's coming

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_09]: and going right but it really kind

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_09]: of takes the halfway point for him to show up

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_09]: this movie

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_09]: A starts showing us glimpses

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_09]: of Lydia seeing Beetlejuice as like hallucinations

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_09]: very early on

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_09]: but then I want to say it like a minute

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_09]: 15 it just as you said

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_09]: cuts to Beetlejuice in an

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_09]: office with a bunch of shrunken head guys

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_09]: and at that point

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_09]: you are now just artificially capping how much

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice is in the movie in terms of

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_09]: screen time versus any

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_09]: narrative reason that he is being held back

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_09]: because the movie basically sets up this

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_09]: thing of like he's trying to figure out how to

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_09]: get up there and do some classic Beetlejuice

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_09]: shit but we're going to hold back on him getting

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_09]: up there because we've decided we don't want

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice to be the main character which is the right

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_09]: instinct but they have no narrative

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_09]: argument for why he's not getting

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_09]: up there really

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and it feels like

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Wolf Jackson and Dolores are both

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of included to have other shit that

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_09]: take time away from Beetlejuice

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_09]: but are sort of Beetlejuice

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_09]: adjacent so you have other threads

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: going so that Keaton's

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_09]: idea should be met right

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_09]: here's like the first disappointment I

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_09]: felt with this movie

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_09]: teaser poster comes out reveals

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_09]: that the title is Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_09]: we're all like biting our fist going like

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_09]: fuck that's good is this going to be good is Burton

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_09]: back right but the teaser poster was

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_09]: also Beetlejuice holding the slip

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_09]: that had the release date on it that looked

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_09]: like his like take a number

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_09]: slip from the end of the first movie

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_09]: he goes down to the waiting room she goes take a number

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_09]: his number is like 20 million

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and he swaps it with the

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_05]: shrunken headman right and which doctor

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_09]: which does that yes funny part

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_09]: to end off on I see that poster

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_09]: my mind starts racing I'm like if this movie

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_09]: opens with the joke of he's been

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_09]: waiting for all these years and 36

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_09]: years later his numbers finally up

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_09]: that's oh the reason why

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_09]: finally Beetlejuice is returning now is because

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_09]: they finally called his number took 36 years

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I wanted some kind

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_09]: of tie together for that instead the movies just

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_09]: like curious 36 years later he's like a middle

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_09]: manager he runs a call

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_08]: center which is funny

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_08]: in theory is like he would do

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_08]: a scammy thing and the

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_09]: newspaper the death announcement and he's

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_09]: like here's my way back and I'm like

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_09]: beautiful thing wasn't that his only

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_09]: portal was this house

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_09]: his thing was that he only loves

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_09]: marriages part of what I like

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_09]: about Beetlejuice is that it's like I can't figure

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_09]: out what his thing is and this movie starts to make

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_09]: it like he's got three moves

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_09]: trying to marry someone

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_09]: popping through the model

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_08]: right model yep

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_08]: someone says his name accidentally

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_09]: run away from bureaucracy

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: right but

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: and on the last anytime he's in the movie I'm happy

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_09]: that's my thing so I'm like you could put

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_09]: more of him in here I think the instinct to

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_09]: not have him be the lead character is great

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think the movie breaks if he's in

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_09]: 40 minutes instead of 20 minutes

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_09]: it's also just weird though okay

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_08]: again because he's working

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Delia Lydia Astrid

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_08]: the first

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_08]: time we see Beetlejuice it's because

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Rory

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Justin Thoreau is like

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just gonna say his name three times

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_08]: like this is some trauma thing of yours

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just gonna burst through it and then they go to

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_08]: the couples therapy scene he spills his guts

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that was all really funny incredibly fun sequence

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_09]: the introduction of the Beetlejuice baby which feels

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_09]: like Burton's got ideas

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_09]: he's showing up to meetings with notes and

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_09]: he's like what if what if and you're like

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_09]: yes Tim start like fucking brainstorming

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_09]: here

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Fennessey made a great point about this though

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_09]: shouldn't this movie be

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_09]: like building to the moment

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_09]: where Lydia shows up

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_09]: realizes that

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Astrid's been taken to the underworld

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_09]: fuck I have to go save my daughter

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_09]: reluctantly I call upon

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice and the whole movie's been like everyone's trying not to say it

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and she realizes she has to say it

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I agree that's what I'm saying why is it

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_09]: it's dead do it to have a fun

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_09]: 10 minute sequence or 5 minute sequence or whatever

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_09]: is like great we get some great

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_09]: burton shit it kind of just immediately

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_09]: deflates the balloon of like we're just gonna call

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice in whenever we feel like it and then send him away

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_09]: whenever we feel like it also of course

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie could be about

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Astrid I what I thought the movie was going to be

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_08]: about which is Astrid goes in the attic

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: find out about Beetlejuice someone's Beetlejuice by mistake

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: now we've got a Beetlejuice on our hand and she wants

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_09]: to go because she wants to find her father

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: exactly and it's like

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_08]: completely a different character

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_08]: yes hoodwinks her into

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_08]: that exact scenario and they need

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice to get him out okay

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: and Beetlejuice once again is like you know

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I love marriage right

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_09]: it's just

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe he cares more about family

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: values than we thought so this is

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_09]: why I like the idea of Dolores

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_09]: being in the movie because she's

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_09]: like I'm the one person as crazy as

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_09]: you we're destined for each other because we were obsessed

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_09]: with killing each other

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and he's like running away from her

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_09]: and I was waiting for the threads to be like

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_09]: she shows up at the wedding and she's just

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_09]: like what is this shit of you trying

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_09]: to marry a normal person

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_09]: why don't we just spend after life together constantly

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_09]: doing insane shit to each other but that's not

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: the vibe at all and she's just I want to suck your soul

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_09]: out because that's what I do especially when she's not talking

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_09]: for the entire movie I was like this is all building

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_09]: up to at the end she delivers a big

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_09]: monologue that's like Beetlejuice accept

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_09]: your fate no they get sandwormed

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_08]: inexplicably yeah right that's all

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_08]: that happens they established a new rule that's like

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I did think it was funny when he was like

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_08]: you look so put together I really

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_08]: that did make me juice has

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: jokes the character

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_08]: himself like the other

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry we're just

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: picking this movie but it's like

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: she gets down there

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and the evil boyfriend is like

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_08]: okay sorry I fooled you

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I've actually taken yours we're swapping

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_08]: and then it's like okay but

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_08]: he has to stamp that one passport right

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_08]: for you know to make this official

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's like he's gonna get away with it

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_08]: run over there ways have my dad over there

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_08]: like out of nowhere they're just like oh yeah

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_08]: by the way there's the dad he's on fucking window

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_09]: eight you know it's just there here's the other

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_09]: thing that happens they're like he's gonna get

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_09]: away with it how do we stop him in time

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_09]: just goes there is like

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_09]: just behind the counter and like

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_09]: right and you're like say goodbye fucker

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_09]: why is he helping them it's really funny

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but okay

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I the thing

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I love how you and asking

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_08]: a question like we're gonna have an answer

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: no but I I love

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: the lore

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: that is like

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: you know hinted

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: at in the first movie

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: mm-hmm and then I think

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: they're they you know recognize

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: that people do really like the lore

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: so they're trying to build on

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: way the afterlife works

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_05]: right with but they're only making it

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: more confusing the thematic

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_09]: thing to build upon there is

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_09]: what decides what

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_09]: go go where right when you start out

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: immigration for ghost if it's

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: isn't like in cocoa where they all come back

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: and they visit their graves

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: on the day of the dead to eat on the old friend

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what but

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like again why if there's there's only

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: one way a ghost can come back it's

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_09]: but I see the advertising for this and I'm

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_09]: like Justin Thoreau is playing

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Jen Ortega's dad yeah

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_09]: does that make sense really

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I hear like oh no he's

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_09]: like the new boyfriend her dad is

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: dead in the movie and I'm like well there's

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_09]: something here to having like a dead parent

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_09]: there and like Charles deeds

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_09]: dead and I like the setup of her being

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_09]: like if your ghost shits real why can't

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_09]: you see him I think it's a good hook

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and then as you said the movie just at some

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_09]: point has him go like wait I'm the dad

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_09]: hey I'm over here by the way no disrespect

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I see you Santiago Cabrera

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and other roles I think I like largely

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_09]: that this part is underwritten but

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like the scene where the three of

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_09]: them are all in the same like

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_09]: conference room together what oh my

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: god

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_09]: nice to get along yeah you guys

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_09]: make sense together anyway

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I gotta go

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_09]: no emotional way to the scene where you're

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_09]: like this should be the whole fucking movies

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_08]: building up to this because the original

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_08]: movie is not treakly no

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_08]: but it does have a sentimentality

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_08]: to it and that's part of the burden

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: that struck me about the the sentimental

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: core with the original

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_05]: movie rewatching it now is how

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: sweet the Barbara and Adam

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: relationship that's what

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of your rooting for each other

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_09]: but also when they realize

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_09]: that Lydia wants to attempt suicide

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_09]: is writing her suicide note

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_09]: there they want to save her

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but also the fact that they established

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: their child

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_05]: childless not by choice

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like all that stuff but this is all

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: like simple and you're rooting

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_08]: for the you know they want to save their house

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: because they have this nice house they made

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_08]: and yes they couldn't have kids but it's okay

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: they still have this lovely house now it's gonna get

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_08]: taken away from them because they died

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_08]: and Dealia is absurd and her

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_09]: makeover of the house is garish

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: like this isn't a fence but also

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_05]: okay another

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_08]: it's just like there's a real movie

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_08]: and then Beatles shows up in it and it goes

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_08]: like right but also the characters

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_05]: even if they're crazy

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah like dealia yeah

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_05]: they she does still

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: feel kind of like a real person

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_08]: that's the magic of Catherine Herr yes but it's

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_08]: true like I understand

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_08]: where as Justin Thoreau in this movie is not

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: a real person correct and he's funny in this

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_09]: he's perfectly funny he is funny

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_09]: but he's not a real person

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_09]: in a way I'd say even Otho is more of a person

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Otho is a real person I like know Otho

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: of course yes Otho is

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: like half of Twitter yes

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_08]: yes I mean

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean Glenshedex

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_08]: has left us it's very sad

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_08]: that he can't be in the movie or whatever

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_08]: but there's nothing wrong with Justin Thoreau

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_08]: it just kind of feels like a pitch from 10 years ago

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_08]: like yeah the therapy speak

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_08]: fake emotional guy

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_09]: which feels like another thing of Burton

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_09]: like coming to terms with how much his thing has

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_09]: come like kind of commodified

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and passé where you're like there's a guy

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_09]: just rich in your region

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_08]: that is a huge read that's a good read

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I like the idea

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_09]: what they should be doing is this guy pretending

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_09]: to be a Burton guy it's more what they should

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: be doing who basically admits like I go

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_09]: there like you know I go to

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_09]: bereavement groups cruising

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_09]: for sensitive women and then I just was

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_09]: like I guess if I put on the right clothes

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_09]: she'll like me

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean I went to five below my favorite place

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_09]: to buy cell phone cables charging cables

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and liquid

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_09]: death and obviously we're coming

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_09]: up on Halloween spooky season

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_09]: there is truly an aisle they have that

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_09]: is the Tim Burton aisle

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's like Wednesday

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice, Nightmare for Christmas

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Corpse Bride and I was just like

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_09]: there's not a- so is there hands in there?

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_09]: no there's not a single item in this aisle

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that is not from a Tim Burton project

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_09]: and there's something to

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_09]: that where you're just like there's nothing

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_09]: really counter cultural about

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Lydia anymore which is why she could

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_09]: be someone who's on a shitty daytime talk

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_09]: show you know selling this

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_09]: version of it that her daughter's embarrassed by

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_09]: which feels like the stuff

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_09]: the burdens talked about of like

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I feel like Disney just looked at me like a flying

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_09]: elephant they wanted me to like sell dolls

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_09]: you know

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Gen or take- and it's not really digging into this

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah what do you think of Gen or take

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: it's so weird that

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe this is just an old guy complaining

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: it's like Christina Ricci is Wednesday

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_08]: like that's such

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: a definitive performance

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: it's like it's a generation

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_08]: of like you know sarcastic

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_08]: off girls right and now I'm just looking

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: at five below's t-shirts and there's Gen or take

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: as Wednesday and I'm like right she's Wednesday

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_08]: it says I'm not weird everyone else's

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like right if you're 12 years old

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe you want that I don't get her

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_08]: you don't get Gen or take I get her

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought she popped in X

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I think she pops in scream

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: and X I haven't seen scream

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: but with the pop in X the whole

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_08]: thing with scream is scream

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_08]: we're referring of course to scream 5

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_08]: essentially you know is there two movies

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_08]: called one of my least favorite trends

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie does make fun of it within the

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_08]: movie which is funny

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Jack Quaid has a long

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: rambling monologue about how knowing it is

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: that people do that can you imagine if Beedlejuice

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Beedlejuice was called Beedlejuice

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_08]: parenthetical 2024

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_08]: in scream 5 the movie

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_08]: the trailer I remember showed us like

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_08]: ghost faces like using an app

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and I was like

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_08]: they're bringing back scream for this garbage

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_08]: right and then the movie

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I watched the movie and no one seemed

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_08]: to scream 5 I'm the only one

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I've only seen the first one ages hanging out today

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_09]: what are you talking about ages not here

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_08]: only I can see him

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_08]: of course

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_08]: set this bit up 90 minutes ago

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Jenna Hade off

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Gen or take a sort of in the Drew Barrymore

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_08]: role she picks up the phone

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and it's ghost face I like scary movies

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's like I don't really like that stuff

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I like elevated horror I like the Baba

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Duke and stuff and it's like

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: in the hands of someone else that would be

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: so hacky and with her I mean

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like I don't know who this is

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_08]: the girl from Iron Man 3 I was like

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_08]: this girl's funny this is working

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Miguel for her daughter

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_08]: that was your highest opening Griffin

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_05]: trivia question that were you there for that

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: must not have been oh well we got it right

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_08]: okay um I'm proud

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: immediately she pops the only the biggest problem

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_08]: with screen 5 is there's not much of her in it

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_08]: because they don't know what they have on their

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_08]: hands in a way I do kind of like her

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't watched Wednesday which is obviously

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_09]: her definitive thing and I haven't seen the screen movies

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_09]: so it's primarily X

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and this and seeing some of her fucking

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_09]: interview appearances or whatever

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_09]: she is one of those people who makes me feel

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_09]: 8 million years

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_09]: old sure where I'm like yeah I get

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_09]: it and then I hear that young people

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_09]: look at her the same way that we looked

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_09]: at Christina Ricci and Winona Ryder

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_09]: but we're like she must make sense

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_09]: right where we were just like

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah Brepp, she says

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_09]: how I feel she's got bangs

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_09]: she's frowning

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I identify

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying she's like doing an imitation of them

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_09]: but I'm like wait it's that kind of thing

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I get it and I do think she speaks that deeply

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_09]: to a generation

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_09]: and I've even like heard people like

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_08]: it's one of those right we're just like right

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_08]: this is just not for us

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_08]: but like I get that she's

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_08]: good on screen

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I think she's natural

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_08]: you don't like her at all you're just like

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_08]: when she's on screen and Beetlejuice

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_08]: whatever

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm asking you Marie

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I honestly think that I don't know any actor

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_05]: who could have made some of the stuff she has to say

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_05]: sound good

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_08]: she's in you? she did a you season

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_08]: season 2

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_08]: of you

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: like the whole like

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Marie Curie

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: my costume

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: after she got radium poisoning

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I was

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_08]: we could have plus that up guys

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_08]: like that's not the right obscure

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_08]: reference it's a little too obvious in a way

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_08]: it's also not like

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_08]: creepy it's also not funny

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_08]: she's just wearing an old dress like I'm like

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_08]: why can't you be wearing something kind of gory

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_09]: they don't want her to be little Lydia

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: but like not to mention the Boba Duke again but the perfect version

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_08]: of that joke is Katie Dippel's tweet

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: about how she went to the Halloween party

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_08]: dressed as the Boba Duke and it was more

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_08]: of a wine and cheese

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: we have to talk about the

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of the strays that Millie

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Bobby Brown caught during the publicity

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_05]: tour for this movie

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: wait I'm sorry what the fuck about Millie

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_08]: oh the Burton was like

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Jen Ortega actually has taste that's so wonderful

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_08]: whatever

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I would look with young actors who don't really like movies

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and then all the boys from Stranger Things were like

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_09]: we like movies

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_08]: and then Millie Bobby Brown like

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_08]: went live on TikTok and was like is he a flat though

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_08]: what's going on she's pretty straight

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she's like kind of lost her out

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_08]: it's one of those weird things where

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_08]: she doesn't even know what her voice is

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_05]: David do you know that she's married to John Bon Jovi's son

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: so it hurts

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Millie Bobby Brown

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Millie Bobby Brown is a more

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_08]: advanced version of Jen Ortega for me

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I've seen Jen Ortega in various films

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I've seen Millie Bobby Brown in the Godzilla movies

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_08]: she's in those right and that is it

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_08]: like I never saw Stranger Things

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and I haven't seen anything else she's done

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_08]: so she is one of those people where I'm like

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I know she's hugely famous I have no sense of anything

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_08]: about her I feel more

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I just know she's a flat earth or flirted with it

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: get it

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_05]: she doesn't have any education

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: she was like you know

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_05]: put to work at the age of 10

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's true she's toiling in the Netflix line

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_08]: the Duffers are like get to work

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_09]: 11

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm thinking of William Holden describing Faye Dunaway

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_09]: to be a Tristrade in Network and going

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_09]: she doesn't know anything she was raised by Netflix

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_09]: you know when he goes like she's a child

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_09]: of bugs funny

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_09]: it's just really the greatest

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_09]: it's the funniest

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_09]: the Kady Dipple

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_05]: but that was even I mean

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I was trying to make story sense of this movie

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_09]: and go oh they're clearly doing this

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_09]: so this could pay off later and I'm like

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_09]: her Halloween costume is Marie Curie

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_09]: with

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Radiation Poisoning because that coloring

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of makes her look like the established

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_09]: dead look

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_09]: right so it's gonna be a thing where she's in the afterworld

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_09]: but she's not dead but she's able to sneak by

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_09]: you're kind of classic

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Coco they face paint

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_09]: the skull face on him thing and it was like no

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_09]: they're just gonna kind of kill her and bring her back to life

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_09]: and then

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: okay wait so some stuff we have to talk about

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_08]: still yeah what is

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_08]: we've gone through the plot out of order

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_08]: the soul train

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that was funny

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_08]: this is all the stuff I want

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'm also like

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a little bit of an old joke

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: but I just was like anything where it's like

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: there's production value people are moving around

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: the camera is interested in this

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_08]: concept yes like I'm like good

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_08]: good that's fun

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_08]: the MacArthur park sequence I thought was really funny

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_08]: like it does go on a bit long

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: but MacArthur park goes on long

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: that's the joke right no

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah no I yeah

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was funny they're all lip syncing

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_05]: but I don't think there's as much of a fun

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: disconnect between MacArthur park

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: and maybe not

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and the calypso

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: song with the New York art hipsters

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I think what's funny

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I was I was sitting in my alamo being like

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_08]: how many people know that this song is

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_08]: MacArthur park and know what that is

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_08]: and like you know is that resonating for anyone

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: versus dayo where it's like

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of everybody grows up with that right

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah the thing I like about it is that it feels

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_09]: like the sequences Beetlejuice being like

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to show off because of course

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_09]: dayo is the mate lens

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_09]: possessing

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_09]: them to sort of like freak them

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_09]: out and the comedy of that sequence is them

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_09]: they love it right well they love it but also

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_09]: they're like what the fuck is going on in my body

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_09]: right they're like every

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_09]: actor at that table is so including Dick

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Cavett is so skillfully playing

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_09]: this thing of being like

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a ham performing this song

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm confused why my body

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_09]: is doing this and I'm kind of having fun

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_09]: with it uh MacArthur park

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_09]: feels like Beetlejuice getting to do his

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_09]: shit I know it's kind of funny

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_09]: and just it's watching Keaton do shit

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_07]: what is that isn't it the

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_09]: birthday song

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_09]: another bit we tried to set up 90 minutes ago

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and we couldn't figure out a good angle

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: what would your Beetlejuice song be

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_08]: like I have to do a dance number

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to make people

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_05]: lipstick oh it has to be something throwback

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_09]: but not me I'm making other people correct

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_07]: there is a really

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_07]: specific it's a really good question

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_07]: curation thinking on it that I can't

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_07]: necessarily put my finger on it right it's throwbacky

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_07]: but it also it's

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_07]: it's like novelty

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe a little novelty

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_09]: MacArthur park does kind of feel like the right move though

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_09]: in that it's not doing like

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_09]: a different calypso song

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_09]: it's from a different era it's a different

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_09]: style but it has the right sort of cultural

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_09]: place Jimmy Buffett

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess so he's kind of overdone

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_05]: but you also have to think about who are the people that are

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: like who are the people

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: that are doing the lip syncing

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: because it has to be something that's really got to throw them

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_09]: something like

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_09]: really really

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_09]: random like totos

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_09]: africa

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_09]: like some random people

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_09]: be like where the fuck you even find this song

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_08]: just kind of too random

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_09]: the kind of song where if you put it in any movie

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I can only watch this on tiktok

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_08]: next to someone playing an iphone game

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_09]: and if we use our plays we're all going to laugh so hard

[01:27:43] we're stumped

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just going to say patty smith's because

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the night

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that's good

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_08]: it's the first thing that came to my head and I'm not letting it go

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_05]: mine would be bloodhound gang's bad touch

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_08]: come on Eileen maybe is my choice

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_08]: koolio's gangsters paradise

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I think bloodhound gang's bad touch is an interesting

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_08]: choice in that you watch that

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_08]: now and I have watched that music video

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_08]: in the last two or three months

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I watch a lot of music videos on youtube

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and my wife was like

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_08]: what

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_08]: what created this

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_08]: what movements in music let us hear

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_08]: and then was this replica

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_08]: no it's an absolute cultural

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: who are these people

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_08]: they're a rap group

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_08]: they're a rap group

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and like

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: they did essentially their version of a novelty song

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_08]: and it was kind of their only giant hit

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_08]: but they also weren't like a comedy band

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_08]: not really

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_08]: but they sort of were

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_08]: they were funny

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean their album was called a rape for booby

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_09]: and for younger listeners out there

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_09]: here's the experience of listening

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_08]: there were fucking 19 tracks on a rape for booby

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_08]: the experience of listening to a rape for booby

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_09]: some of these better be skits

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_09]: the printing, the artwork

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_09]: on the physical CD

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_09]: itself looked like a booby

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_09]: and if you put it in a player

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_09]: it was like the hub of the player

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_09]: would look like the nipple

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_09]: that was the gag

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_09]: there was a kind of a disc based

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_08]: joke

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember they had that song

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I absolutely

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_08]: don't remember that

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_07]: it was kind of making fun of like

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Euro, like dance music

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_08]: it's just one of those things where you watch another

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_08]: you're like ah well you know what was happening here

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_08]: was they're kind of

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_08]: part of this continuum

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_05]: one thing I'm learning on that touch

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean when Biscuit to Bloodhound

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_07]: gang there's some

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_07]: kind of

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and also at the same time had Tom Green

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: blowing up with the white bum

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_08]: that song kind of

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: it does

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_09]: oh well this was the second and last album

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_09]: to feature drummer Spinky G

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_09]: who left the band

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_09]: to finish his studies

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_09]: the fact that we were

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_07]: the fact that

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_07]: the fact that we are reading Bloodhound

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_07]: gang's Wikipedia is not a good sign

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_07]: that doesn't say

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_09]: they didn't release another album for six years after that

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_09]: alright Beelge's Beelge

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_09]: is a huge hit

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_08]: like in this like I'm like they have guitars

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_08]: that's sort of news to me

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_08]: three of them have guitars right here

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_08]: in this picture of them performing

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_08]: wait the one guy looks hot

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: there are 19 tracks because there were a bunch of

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: what's the fuck

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_09]: there were skits

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_09]: track number nine is called Magna Cumnata

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_08]: did we say they were in a comedy band?

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_08]: can we please retract

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_05]: oh my god they're from King of Prussia

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_05]: what

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_08]: they're from Pennsylvania

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: that was like really close to where I grew up

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: that's where the mall is

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: best mall in America suck it

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: American Dream Mall and Mall of America

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: no

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_05]: King of Prussia is the best mall for pure shopping experience

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_08]: have you been to the mall of America

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I've always wanted to go

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's cool I found an influencer on tiktok

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: who's a woman who

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: there's one ride that just spins

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: around her name is Tara the spin queen

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_05]: she just goes

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_08]: looking up here she makes $18 million

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_08]: a year

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_05]: she just goes on the spinny ride inside the mall

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_05]: every day and then counts how many

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_05]: spins she makes

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: here she is yep

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_08]: let's try and pivot back to Beelge

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_08]: she's got kind of a Chewbacca mask

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_08]: lady vibe

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_08]: so it's kind of fun

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_08]: remember the Chewbacca mask lady

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_09]: we tried to get her on George Lucas talk show

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and she was too busy

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: with like normal life stuff

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_05]: like she's got kids right

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we were trying to get her

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I think my memory

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_09]: we were trying to get her to do something for a

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_09]: May the fourth show

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_09]: and her response was hey couple follow ups

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_09]: A how much does this pay

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_09]: and B

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_09]: how long would you need me for this is kind of my busy season

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's May the fourth every May fourth

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_09]: she's just like striking that

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_09]: iron again good for her

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_08]: for her

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_08]: she's doing okay dealia or

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_08]: she like endorsed Trump I don't want to know about it

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_08]: like whatever either is fine yep

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_07]: the snake business

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_08]: that's kind of fun

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_09]: everything with the earlier I think it's fun

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_08]: the snake thing made me laugh a lot

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_08]: because it felt like

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_08]: a real good middle finger to

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_08]: legacy equals of like

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_08]: oh by the way we're just going to kill her off

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_08]: literally by mistake

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_09]: as a joke it's the one part where I want

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_09]: to give this movie credit for some of its

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_09]: sloppiness that its sloppiness almost

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_09]: feels like I don't think

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_09]: a pointed satire of that kind of

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_09]: legacy bullshit but just an attitude of like

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_09]: we don't really give a fuck

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_09]: we're not taking this too seriously

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I find this movie to be such a relief

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_09]: in that all the ways in which it's bad

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_09]: do not drive me insane

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_09]: in the way of ghostbusters after life

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_09]: of like this is so

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_09]: important like this movie's just people being

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_08]: like I don't know to be to be clear and I

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_08]: should say this I've been said I had

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_08]: my wife just said twins right six weeks

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_08]: ago you're dropping this news for the first time on this episode

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_08]: yes we'll just be it'll just more like baby baby

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_08]: David fucking telling me

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm hearing this right now for the first time

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_09]: is this true wow what is there to say

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_08]: David oh sorry wait

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_07]: you have a wife

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_08]: have I said on my

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: how insane it is that

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_08]: one of the funniest memes of recent years

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_08]: which is Trump saying you know doing the ear

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: is about one of the worst things that

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_08]: happened to America

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been using it a lot in our group text

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_09]: it's really funny you give it a haha stamp every time

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_09]: it's because it makes me laugh but you're like anyway

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_09]: the fact he's holding the finger behind your butt

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_09]: wait a second David can you repeat this

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_08]: people may have noticed that I like stopped reviewing movies

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_08]: and that I didn't go to Toronto

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_08]: and that the episodes have been

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_08]: recorded out of order

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and my thesis was you just don't like movies anymore

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_08]: and I've been really filming that for several months

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_08]: right but no it's because

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_08]: my wife just had twins she had them early

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_08]: they're doing okay

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_08]: b-bop in rocks daddy that's right

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_08]: so this is but this is my first

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_08]: this was my first my point being

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_09]: twin boys he didn't name

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_09]: them Griffin and Ben we pitched it it was right there

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_08]: my point being

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_08]: this was my first film in theaters since they were born

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_08]: right and

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I really yeah you haven't seen a movie in a month

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I mean I've seen movies on my television

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I don't really consider that

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_08]: seeing a movie I consider that watching a movie

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_08]: but so I had to like

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_08]: basically just kind of rush out of the house to

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: the Alamo draft house near my home

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_08]: to see this film and I truly

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_08]: was just like I truly appreciated

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_08]: that it is short

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_08]: you know not like 82 minutes

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's brisk 97 yeah

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_08]: they're dropping the check you know and you're like oh shit

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_08]: okay we're almost done okay

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_08]: uh it's light

[01:34:46] it's

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_08]: often funny

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_08]: it's

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_08]: energy is high it doesn't hurt

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_08]: it is not self serious it's right

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not doing jerky legacy

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_08]: cool stuff of like oh

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_08]: you can't believe it but

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Bob is back or what you know whatever the

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_08]: fuck and my audience

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: was laughing a packed audience

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_08]: by the way I whatever

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that affected my viewing experience

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to know about that in a second

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and I just walked out of there being like

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah that was cute I had a good time

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_08]: cute was the line C plus B minus you know whatever

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's worth saying once again

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_09]: is probably going to end up being Burton's

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_09]: second highest grossing film of all time behind

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_09]: checks notes here eyes rolling back

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_09]: of head Alice in Wonderland

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_09]: where did you see it Marie

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw it at the Curzon Aldgate

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't know they

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_08]: had a theater in Aldgate but I would say

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_08]: right Aldgate is not exactly where like

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_08]: it in at least in my

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_08]: memory of London where like things are happening

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: well this is like a very fancy theater yes

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it was very fancy and it was

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_05]: like part of a whole like so

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah that's a lot of like a tuxedo

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_09]: the gentleman with

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_09]: tea and trumpets going well

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I never every time Beetlejuice showed up

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: there were like maybe like 12 people

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: in the theater sure

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: no one left I will also

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_08]: say Beetlejuice is not I feel like

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_08]: as much of a thing in Britain I was going to

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_08]: ask I don't know he doesn't really have much cultural

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_08]: footprint

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm serious and like and so there might not

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_08]: be excitement about that

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_08]: movie there might not be the place

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: to see it because I saw it with a packed audience

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not like they were screaming but they were

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_08]: laughing the whole time they were having a good

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_08]: time I think our I had a half way

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_09]: between the two points and yet we

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_09]: saw it like Wednesday night

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_09]: early access greening

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_09]: we did see it Wednesday Adams where did you

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_09]: see it we saw it at the

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Regal Union Square in RPX it was like

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_09]: the one early screening they had you know ticketed

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_09]: event but like we're showing it one

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_09]: day early and I point

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_09]: out to Ben I think 30 to 40% of

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_09]: the audience was wearing something

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlejuice themed a lot of stripes

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh and of course missed

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_07]: sir sort of the early part

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_07]: of the movie he was the opening credits

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_07]: trying to get the bucket line was very

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_09]: long you didn't get the bucket I got the bucket

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know you got it did you bring it

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_09]: oh my god I see it I got the handbook for the

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: recent oh that makes me happy

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I have about four more buckets to collect I

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_09]: appreciate the buckets are more steeped in the

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_09]: iconography of the first movie than the sequel

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_09]: specifically I'm not sure I'd buy a wolf Jackson

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_09]: bucket but hey that having been said

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_08]: what's he doing

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh look oh my goodness

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_08]: oh he's throwing tat at us

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Beetlejuice plush danglers

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_08]: we all got a box of plush danglers

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_08]: let's see what I'm getting here

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_09]: these were at Target

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_09]: mystery or is it a mystery this is what we call

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_09]: the mystery box okay we're gonna find out

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_09]: how exciting and now we get some great

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_09]: ASMR for listening

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I got Lydia right

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_08]: correct

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_08]: yes it is the wedding dress

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_08]: there's eight

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_08]: but there she is in her little red dress

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_08]: okay I got Dolores Dolores

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Monica blue cheese I got

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: spill your guts Beetlejuice that's

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_08]: that's a good one he's got got you

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: got Lydia too

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_08]: watch out for wait

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Tim Burton might try to marry your Dolores

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_08]: figure by the way so look out

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what I'll do with this

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_08]: David now that you've

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_08]: dropped news of you becoming daddy

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_08]: am I gonna announce this in some way and

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like I'm not gonna fucking return

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_08]: to Twitter for that no don't do it

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_08]: can I float a take

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_09]: that I believe I've auditioned for both

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Ben and Marie in the past

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been building up to this moment

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and I you know what

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just putting it out I'm not even saying this is

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_09]: my belief I want the listeners

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_09]: to do with this what they will

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_09]: you are now a father of three

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I asked this question to the public

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_09]: is

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_09]: David Shrek

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_08]: let's look building

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_08]: up to the facts okay

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_09]: he's got an annoying little friend who won't

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_09]: stop talking

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: a tall beautiful wife

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_09]: yes similarly tall

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_09]: he is constantly yelling

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_09]: for everyone to stay on his swamp

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_09]: that's so true

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_08]: this is my home

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_08]: you're welcome over

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just but you're saying I kind of

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_09]: and the same begrudging way he says to Pinocchio

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_09]: fine I guess you can stay for dinner

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_09]: no memory of that but sure

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Ben is putting boots

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_09]: okay sure yeah like just confident

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_05]: we couldn't align on someone for me

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_09]: no it's tough Marie it's a tough fit

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_09]: you could argue she's very godmother

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: isn't she evil

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah far quad

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_09]: also definitely not a far quad

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_09]: just trying to think of Shrek

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're dragging

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_07]: wait who just said that

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_08]: who is it Rumpelstiltskin who like

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_08]: who's in trap I put forth the idea

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin suggested Rumpelstiltskin

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_09]: little bit of a troublemaker yeah

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_09]: David even your response to me saying

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_09]: father and three

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_09]: that's the kind of full body size

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Shrek would go alright

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean look if anyone

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: had a kid and then had twins after they had

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_08]: the kid you know get in touch

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_08]: let me know how to do it because it's hard

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: it's hard so far we're figuring it out

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_08]: that's what the Shrek movies are about being grown up

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_08]: well that's I was going to say did Shrek have kids

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: in that order

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Shrek has children

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: no I thought it was for triplets

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's one girl and two boys

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Fergus well that is Farkel

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: and Farkel yeah

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_08]: and when are they born

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_08]: are they born in three four

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_09]: how many Shrek's

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_09]: the re starts with Fiona telling him

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_09]: that she's pregnant

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_09]: then he has an extended nightmare sequence

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_09]: about there being like 80 babies

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and at the end of the movie they're born

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_08]: to be clear I have seen Shrek

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say probably

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_08]: like three times over the years

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I've seen Shrek two once in theaters

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I have not seen the other Shrek's

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I've not seen Puss in Boots or Puss in Boots the last wish

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_09]: well because they're spoilers for your own life

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_09]: you don't want to get ahead

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_08]: and of course I have seen the cursed

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel good animation test version

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: of Shrek from 1993 that looks insane

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so happy you invoke that

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_08]: anyway do we have anything

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_08]: else we want to say about Beetlejuice

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Beetlejuice before we play the Bob Topp

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I like Bob shout out to Bob

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: oh very funny

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_08]: um

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah that's all I got

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_08]: he's got a full of Shrekers

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_08]: is it just kind of like because it's like

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_08]: that's a great image from Beetlejuice

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and we'll just reuse it

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: it doesn't totally make sense

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_09]: it wasn't unfunny like those guys are funny

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_09]: well I was going to say

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I actually think the

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_09]: puppeteering of Bob is incredible

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and when we saw it in the theater

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_09]: the audience was clearly sympathizing

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_09]: with Bob so much

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_09]: it's such an expressive face

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: my like dour London audience

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: did come alive for Bob

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Bob hiding under the desk

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and the feeling of like these other like

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Shrekers are kind of chaotic but Bob is trying

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_09]: to keep order

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_09]: this scene where Monica Bellucci

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_09]: just kind of unceremoniously sucks

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_09]: his head and he's dead

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I was just like this is the biggest narrative

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_09]: mistake this movie makes

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_09]: we're more into Bob

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I actually kind of like the audience was

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_09]: emotionally attached to Bob

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_08]: that's why I kind of liked it people actually kind of seem

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_08]: to dislike that she did that

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I like that Bob's eyes pops like balloons

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah and it kind of but then of course

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: the way his little mouth moved after it was

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: unsound

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_08]: like the only problem is then of course

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_08]: you're like oh they kind of make him

[01:42:26] [SPEAKER_08]: put on a balloon she's scary and then the movie's like

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_08]: nah don't worry about her she's bullshit

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_09]: can I ask you can I look at this

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_09]: oh no

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_09]: she's here

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_08]: with her staple face

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_09]: that sequence is fun

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_08]: the stapling sequence is fun

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought so for sure

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah with a BG song that was cool

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: tragedy

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: this is like a real gentleman

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: 6 for me where I'm like

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: it's losing points for having one of the most dysfunctional

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_09]: scripts I have ever seen

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_09]: on a major budgeted film

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_09]: it is gaining points for just like

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_09]: if there is enough stuff and I thought was kind of funny

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: or cool looking that it like evens

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_09]: out to a 6

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_09]: but I sort of just want to see him

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_09]: learn the right lessons for this

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to be like a reactivation

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_09]: that then sets him on

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_09]: a path to just like great now let me focus on

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: like telling a focus

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_09]: story and putting my color

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_08]: on top of it can I say something about Monica

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Baluchim people I saw some early

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of like she really she's really wasted

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_08]: in this movie and I was sort of like

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_08]: drunk

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_08]: off her ass

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and I was kind of like Monica

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Baluchim is not like a bad actress or whatever

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_08]: but like she it's not I've never

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_08]: thought of her as like an incredible actress

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_08]: she's like a cool arresting

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_08]: screen presence but like when I'm like

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_08]: ah what are the definitive like Monica

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Baluchim roles I was kind of like

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_08]: brotherhood of the wolf I guess

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_08]: make sure it's reloaded and revolution

[01:43:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I like her in those

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_08]: like that sort of sums

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_08]: up exactly what I think of her which is like yeah she

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: she really pops on screen sure

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_08]: but like she's not like a serious

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_08]: weighty actor like you know

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_08]: she's fine

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_08]: she's going to near reversible I guess that movie

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_08]: so punishing and awful yeah he just kind

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_09]: of uses her in this like

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_09]: the Martian spy girl played by

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_09]: a previous serious relation of his

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Lisa Marie right which

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_09]: is like one sequence and is a

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Brevura sequence right she's

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_09]: perfectly a camera officer and by the way

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_09]: like she's really funny in Ed Wood where she has

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_09]: a lot more dialogue

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_09]: and everything Lisa Marie yes I'm

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_09]: saying right but it just feels

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_09]: like they spend so much time

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_09]: setting up the Baluchy thing that you just

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_09]: think it's going to pay off into something

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_08]: to be clear I like her I just

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_08]: but she's not like like a Titan

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_08]: of French cinema acting

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: she's like a you know

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: well she's Italian well she's Italian

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_08]: for one she's a lot of French movies

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_08]: and yeah right um

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_08]: but she's like good right

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_09]: like was previously married to of course

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: then some cuz lost your hood

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_09]: from the first Shrek movie

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_07]: we

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I could have used more

[01:45:05] [SPEAKER_07]: worm

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah you get a little bit it is funny

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that like someone asked Burton in an

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_09]: interview why he didn't do anything

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_09]: with the maitlands and he said

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_09]: you know I don't I wanted

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_09]: to resist the impulse to feel like we needed

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_09]: to check all the boxes which I'm like

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_09]: that's the thing I want to hear that this

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_09]: movie isn't just feeling the need to replicate

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_09]: everything and then you look at the list

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're like they basically replicate

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_09]: everything else they do a wedding in the

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_09]: sand worms and the shrunken head guy

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_08]: they got the theme they got the same font

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_08]: the book the model the sign

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I look I hate

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_08]: like this sort of thing of like

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_08]: journals being like why isn't Eric Baldwin

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_08]: in this movie he's like get the fuck over

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_08]: yourself he's not good I didn't want

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_08]: to cast him he's had a lot of legal trouble recently

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_08]: like what he's going to say that out loud no just

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_08]: he's gonna be like nah I didn't want to deal with that even

[01:45:51] [SPEAKER_05]: beyond that I think there's there's actually

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: there's actually reasons within

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_09]: there is in theory they would not

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_09]: have aged it's been 36 years

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_09]: every other character

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_09]: either the passage of time makes sense on

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_09]: them or beetle juices basically some weird

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_09]: immortal force I agree

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and let me hard to work them in but of course

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_08]: in a world where they're both still giant

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_08]: stars they probably get worked in possibly

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_09]: but then there's the other side of it of Burton

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_09]: being like what you want me to digitally

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_09]: de-age them and we'll be happy if I did

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: saying that's why I'm like so you put them in

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_09]: for one scene as like weird ghastly

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_09]: CGI ghosts forget it

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_09]: can I say a thing I liked about Winona in this

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah someone who was very big to us

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I love Winona and I think

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_08]: she's good in this if

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_08]: struggling to kind of know what to do

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_08]: with this character but she's fine

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_09]: but I what I like is

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm when the first images came

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_09]: out and it was like oh my god they have her in the

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_09]: whole outfit this looks a little cosplay

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_09]: ish and

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I like performance DC's given in the last 15

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_09]: years but if there is this feeling of

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_09]: like she was so important

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_09]: culturally and it is

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_09]: so hard to really remember

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_09]: how big the fucking shoplifting

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_09]: thing was that that was treated as

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_09]: like the huge killed someone

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_09]: celebrity scandal and people

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_09]: would not stop making jokes about it and then

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_09]: was this feeling of like is she like

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_09]: losing her mind and we're not talking

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_09]: about this was really weird that

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_08]: you did it because she was famous

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_08]: and seemingly rich so

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_09]: why is she doing what happened was

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_09]: like that happens everyone's like what the

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_09]: fuck was this and then a year later she

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_09]: like host SNL Mr. Deeds

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_09]: comes out it's a hit she's

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_09]: like doing the press rounds and everyone's like

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: she's making jokes about and she seems kind of normal

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and then that basically ends her mainstream

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_09]: movie career yeah cut

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_09]: post mr. Deeds the cycle where it felt

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_09]: like oh she kind of reclaimed it

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_09]: this is like her first

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_09]: leader co-lead in a studio

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_08]: movie in I basically

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_08]: 22 years I think the movies have seen her

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_08]: in between our scanner

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_08]: directly which she's amazing and

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_08]: but you know isn't any movie star trek

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_08]: at Star Trek which she's excellent in but

[01:47:55] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a small role black swan

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_08]: which she's kind of excellent in and

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_08]: that's maybe a really clever use of

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_09]: her Star Trek blacks one are both in this

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_09]: mold of like what's the way to bring

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Winona back what is like the kind of

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_09]: interesting meta casting of legacy Winona

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and then experimenter which

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_08]: she's great in yeah it is somewhat

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: unheralded movie but I like that

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I believe she's very good and they're back

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Miller movie oh yeah in a deep supporting

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_09]: role but I think is really good in it

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I never saw destination I like destination

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_09]: wedding a lot destination wedding is a

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_09]: two-hander rom-com with her and Keanu

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_09]: who are famously very close to work

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: together many times and that's a nice

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_09]: way that's the only other movies she's

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_09]: been the lead in I feel like and obviously

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_09]: the other thing that happens during this is

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_09]: stranger things happens

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and makes a really big for new generation

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_09]: but kind of sets the model of what the current

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Winona is which is this whole like

[01:48:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what that is

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_08]: it's that and it's the the gif of her going

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_08]: doing the math on stage yeah yeah yeah

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_08]: right and it's just like she's really

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_08]: good in the plot against America

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_08]: the David Simon miniseries

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_08]: adaptation of the Philip Roth do you

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_08]: know what she was really good in

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_08]: show me a hero she's really good in that too

[01:49:02] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of it's very much a supporting role

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: but really like a emotional

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_09]: force it's been a lot of this of like

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_09]: someone comes and brings her in and she

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_09]: knocks out four scenes and you're like

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_09]: she's doing this kind of fragile woman on

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_09]: a brink thing but she's she's good

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_09]: at it

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_09]: what I liked about this is I felt

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_09]: like this was the most

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_09]: holistically I had seen

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_09]: someone right to her current

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_09]: state just what her

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_09]: energy is these days

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_09]: of like and I think it's what

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_09]: they're trying to get at with the prescription drug

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_09]: thing of like

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Lydia wouldn't grow up normal

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah sure

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_09]: yes but

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_08]: it just didn't feel like there

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_09]: was quite enough there I agree

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_09]: but I almost think she's trying to

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_09]: actually play the weight of this character

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and not

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_09]: just do the same thing again but

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_09]: they don't really have a real real

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_08]: give her right

[01:49:58] [SPEAKER_08]: it's just so much of the movie is everyone

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_08]: basically saying to her like shouldn't you be more upset

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_08]: and she's kind of like yeah whatever

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_08]: and she only really gets upset

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_08]: when Beetlejuice is invoked

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_08]: but like

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_08]: the things with a you don't even like Roy and she's like

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_08]: hey he likes me who cares where she really does

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_08]: a like why not to

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_08]: she's getting married yeah and like

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_08]: sure the point of her character

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_08]: she's checked out because she sold out and stuff okay

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess that makes sense

[01:50:24] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_08]: still got a crush on her she's gorgeous

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I love her

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I love Winona I love Winona forever

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Winona forever yeah

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I have a huge announcement please

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_08]: bigger than David's announce

[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_08]: you mean after number two

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I have triplets

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_07]: no uh

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I just received a text from Geffen records

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and this is a real

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_07]: not a scam

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_07]: you are looking for a job right

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_07]: can I send you more details

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_07]: should I say yeah

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_07]: what is this

[01:50:57] [SPEAKER_07]: literally I just received from Geffen records

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_07]: you know David Geffen produced

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a scam

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: this is real

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_09]: yes of course there's the Geffen Logan in front of this movie

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm saying this to Ben it feels like an odd coincidence

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_09]: this is happening during the Beatles

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_09]: I am bringing it up okay it must be meant to be

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_05]: do you know what else was a Geffen records release

[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: what

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_05]: hooray for boobies

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and look at that

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_09]: much like Beatlejuice

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_09]: this episode set up many threads

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_09]: that at times felt disconnected

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_09]: why is he introducing the Shrek thing in the same

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_09]: episode that they do Bloodhound gang

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and Beatlejuice and trying to do career

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_09]: perspectives

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess we had a fun time it wasn't their best

[01:51:39] [SPEAKER_09]: episode but I guess we had a fun time

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_09]: they're all kind of tired they haven't recorded

[01:51:42] [SPEAKER_09]: a lot going on guys

[01:51:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm thinking I got like a hook and I've been doing these lyrics

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_08]: about what are they about it's just like we should

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_08]: fuck like the animals in the Discovery Channel

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_08]: okay

[01:51:53] [SPEAKER_08]: let's do it like six months later

[01:51:55] [SPEAKER_08]: the richest they've ever been

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_09]: people keep asking me

[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_09]: like how are you doing and I'm like

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_08]: they weren't sitting down being like this is gonna be it

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_08]: like the Discovery Channel

[01:52:05] [SPEAKER_09]: so no but they hit on something

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_09]: really primal and powerful and true

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_09]: clean and red and powerful as Jonah Hill would say

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_09]: people have been asking me how I've been doing

[01:52:14] [SPEAKER_09]: and I've been like I'm like pretty

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm pretty exhausted and stressed out

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and they're like why and I'm like

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_09]: it's David had twins and I'm sort of

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and I do keep

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_09]: you haven't even had to record an episode

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_09]: in six weeks

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I earnestly keep offering it up to people

[01:52:30] [SPEAKER_09]: not as expensive

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and how was he doing

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_09]: right and I'm like I think it's okay but it's hard to know and that's really been

[01:52:36] [SPEAKER_09]: weighing on me

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and then they'll go like how are you doing and I'm like

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't really thought about that actually

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_08]: but thinking a lot about David and the twins

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_08]: how David's track

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_08]: it's very hard they're just they were

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_08]: preemies one of them isn't sleeping very well

[01:52:50] [SPEAKER_08]: they'll get bigger

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: they're so cute

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_09]: they're cute little guys

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_09]: you've been talking about how

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_09]: the smaller one who doesn't sleep well

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and poops a lot and is kind of temperamental

[01:53:01] [SPEAKER_09]: that's the Griffin

[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_09]: relating really well

[01:53:05] [SPEAKER_07]: this sounds like a great job

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_07]: you guys are literally

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I was gonna also

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_08]: the two of you, Ben and Griffin

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_08]: recording this episode are about to go on a wonderful

[01:53:14] [SPEAKER_08]: vacation apiece right

[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Euro tripping

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_08]: both Euro tripping not together

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_08]: but in parallel

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and we might cross paths

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_09]: it's sort of like the Dolores and Bull Jackson plot lines

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_08]: so we're not really going to record again until

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_08]: early October because we have to

[01:53:29] [SPEAKER_08]: fucking watch Joker Folly do

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Folly do do

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_09]: but hey let's make the announcement

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah let's fucking announce it

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_09]: we're also watching Goodrich it's Michael Keaton season

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_09]: we're worried that Folly do might not

[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_09]: make for an entirely compelling episode

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_09]: so we're trying to recreate the one command magic

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_09]: with an episode that I want to call

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Goodrich Folly do

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_09]: have I been told that that doesn't make

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_09]: sense yes is there a better pitch

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_07]: no that's fine that could be the title

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_07]: it'll be fun it's a remote

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_07]: position 30 60 minutes per

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_07]: day

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_07]: salary 100 to 600 dollars

[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_07]: who is

[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_07]: 333 555

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_07]: of course

[01:54:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Cindy Geffen

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_07]: she didn't mention her last name

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_07]: should play the box office game oh yeah

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_09]: forgot about that so Beatlejuice

[01:54:17] [SPEAKER_09]: open to number one

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_09]: on this is September 6th

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_09]: 2024 what it's

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_09]: previously for many years

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_09]: decades been seen as a bit of a dumping ground

[01:54:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and then it had this huge opening weekend

[01:54:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and now it's become this hot spot where it's like

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_09]: August

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_09]: tails off in the first week of September

[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_09]: is prime real estate again it's true

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Labor Day weekend essentially had the second

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_09]: biggest September of all time only behind the first

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_09]: date

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_09]: August is actually the week after Labor Day

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_08]: we have yeah Labor Day remains one of

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the worst we got nobody does that one because everyone's

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_08]: on vacation or whatever okay

[01:54:49] [SPEAKER_08]: yes it opened to 111 million dollars

[01:54:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I was kind of stunned

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_08]: like I did not see this movie open

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought it would do fine I called him

[01:54:57] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I wasn't like against it or

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I was just like oh damn right okay but huge

[01:55:02] [SPEAKER_09]: it gets added to the stat list

[01:55:04] [SPEAKER_09]: my favorite stat of sequels

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_09]: that out gross the original in their opening weekend

[01:55:08] [SPEAKER_09]: yes now I think along with awesome powers

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_09]: this might have me pitch perfect to

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_09]: might be another one it's always one other one

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_09]: we forget I mean obviously

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_09]: when a sequel is coming three decades later the

[01:55:17] [SPEAKER_09]: stat gets fudgier when you're just a little bit

[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_09]: adjusted for inflation

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Beatlejuice Beatlejuice open great Warner Brothers

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_08]: seemingly did their good job

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_08]: pushing it doing

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_08]: brand tie-ins getting Jen Ortega to tick

[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_08]: talk about it it felt like they followed

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_09]: the Barbie playbook and I saw

[01:55:33] [SPEAKER_09]: a deadline drop that this actually had

[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_09]: twice as much money behind it and twice

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_09]: as many brand partners but they were just like

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah and I think much like Barbie it was

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_09]: the same thing of just like people have a

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_09]: strong emotional attachment to this iconography

[01:55:46] [SPEAKER_09]: if it's all over their feeds they're

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_09]: not going to present it they like these

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_09]: actors they like the stripes

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and the spirals and the sandworms

[01:55:54] [SPEAKER_09]: you can buy your

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Catherine O'Hara

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_09]: pineapple flavored

[01:56:00] [SPEAKER_09]: number two at the box office

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Gryphon

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Fanta did a complete comprehensive tie-in

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_09]: with the movie Beatlejuice Beatlejuice

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and their different flavors are represented by

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_09]: different characters on the cans and I believe

[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_09]: the pineapple flavor is now Catherine O'Hara

[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_08]: correct Delia is Catherine

[01:56:15] [SPEAKER_08]: O'Hara

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Astrid Jen Ortega's character is

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Orange so just regular Fanta

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Lydia is strawberry

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and Beatlejuice is like

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_08]: demon blood flavor

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_08]: it's limited edition Fanta Haunted

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I gotta drink this shit

[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Haunted Apple

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Weirdly Fanta Lemon

[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_08]: just still doesn't exist in this country

[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_08]: it's so weird it's Fanta Lemon Rocks

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_08]: it's available all through Europe when you're in Europe

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_09]: get yourself a Fanta Lemon

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_09]: sadly it sounds like that's the Jeffery Jones

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_08]: doesn't exist not available

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_08]: take it off the shelves

[01:56:49] [SPEAKER_08]: number two at the box office Gryphon

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_08]: number two at the box office is still

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_08]: very successful film

[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_08]: motion picture called Deadpool and Wolverine

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Deadpool, Ampersand, Wolverine, Marie, did you see it?

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_09]: no a movie that I

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I have to

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I have to begrudgingly admit is more functional

[01:57:05] [SPEAKER_09]: than Deadpool then Beatlejuice

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Beatlejuice and yet it drove me

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_09]: so much crazier

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_09]: it wore me the fuck down

[01:57:13] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah I mean I suppose

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_08]: you're right that it's more functional but right now

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I also think that movie is not functional

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just saying more functional

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_09]: you know when you hesitated about whether

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_09]: or not to reveal the

[01:57:25] [SPEAKER_09]: crash of Pipe Coast through a window

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_09]: where you were like should I give this text

[01:57:30] [SPEAKER_09]: to our listeners that can be thrown back

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_09]: in my face

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought this while watching Deadpool and Wolverine

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and I've been holding back

[01:57:37] [SPEAKER_09]: on saying this publicly and I feel like I need to say it

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_09]: even though I do think it will come back to haunt me

[01:57:42] [SPEAKER_09]: but halfway through watching Deadpool and Wolverine

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought to myself

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_09]: this is not a joke this was a genuine

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_09]: thought what is this what it feels like

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_09]: to have a conversation with me

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and I was like that's maybe the most

[01:57:53] [SPEAKER_09]: critical you're being a little hard

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a moment of darkness but I was

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_09]: watching I was like God I feel so exhausted

[01:57:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like is this what it feels like

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_09]: no a lot of references being thrown

[01:58:03] [SPEAKER_09]: out and a lot of attempts at jokes

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're like I guess it's good

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_09]: natured enough whatever

[01:58:10] [SPEAKER_08]: for one

[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_08]: to be clear the movie is enormously

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_08]: successful people love it as am I

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_08]: good

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_08]: the most over here

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_08]: that's not bad

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_08]: no that's not true

[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say the Deadpool and Wolverine is

[01:58:26] [SPEAKER_08]: right it's the bad version

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_08]: of what you're talking about

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_09]: it was maybe the meanest thing I could think

[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_09]: about the movie though

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_09]: mean things to say about yourself

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_08]: okay then both

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_08]: number three it's a quiet

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_08]: in sympathy for Griff

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought it was going to be funny

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought people were going to like it

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm genuinely worried about you

[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_08]: he's doing good

[01:58:48] [SPEAKER_08]: it's been tough time

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been using that as an excuse too

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: it even matters less to me

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: we're all going to fucking die for a decade

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_08]: whatever

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't been using it as an excuse

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_09]: you put a lot on your plate

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't been sleeping well

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_09]: just because David hasn't been sleeping well

[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's been getting to me

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_09]: number three at the box office

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a biopic

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_09]: mm-hmm

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_09]: the film

[01:59:16] [SPEAKER_09]: it's number three at the box office

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_09]: and he's doing pretty well

[01:59:20] [SPEAKER_08]: it's done okay for a movie that is clearly dog shit

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_08]: oh

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_08]: it's made 18 million dollars

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a movie called Reagan

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean what better sign

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_08]: sorry to dis

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_08]: President Ronald Reagan

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_08]: of the fucking bankruptcy of the Reagan era

[01:59:37] [SPEAKER_08]: that like this clip I see passing around

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_08]: where it's like the climax of the movie is him

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: giving the tear down this wall speech

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: it's like and then going like

[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_08]: he's not gonna do it

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_08]: that's it that's what he's fucking got

[01:59:48] [SPEAKER_08]: is tear down this wall

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_08]: he said tear down the Berlin wall 45 years after

[01:59:53] [SPEAKER_08]: it was built

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_08]: what a goddamn profile encourage

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_08]: all the guys watching it on TV

[01:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: oh

[02:00:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and then like Nancy Reagan's like

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Ronnie yes

[02:00:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't argue that Reagan is a great film

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_09]: it has

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_09]: fundamental script issues

[02:00:09] [SPEAKER_09]: have you seen Reagan but I feel like Sean McNamara

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_09]: was having fun again it feels like he's reconnecting

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_09]: with some of his creative energy

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_09]: director of baby geniuses yeah he's getting back

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_09]: to the earlier kind of style that we all

[02:00:20] [SPEAKER_09]: loved

[02:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: only director of baby geniuses would have

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: genius mind to cast

[02:00:25] [SPEAKER_05]: well stop

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_09]: baby geniuses too super babies he didn't direct

[02:00:29] [SPEAKER_05]: the first oh I'm so sorry but that one's even more

[02:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: twisted yeah we'll see

[02:00:34] [SPEAKER_09]: all the babies are super the brats movie

[02:00:36] [SPEAKER_09]: soul surfer

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_09]: what's the big one I'm forget did you do the food fight movie

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Casper a spirited beginning

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_05]: oh no

[02:00:44] [SPEAKER_08]: and he's reconnecting with that

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_08]: number four

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_08]: at the box office is a

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_08]: movie I really hope to see in theaters before

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_08]: it leaves theaters this is the the big

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_08]: big Reagan was number

[02:00:56] [SPEAKER_08]: three we just covered the

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_08]: big having kids a slightly early

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_08]: say you know put this one off my

[02:01:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I made the Reagan joke obviously

[02:01:04] [SPEAKER_09]: the movie David's talking about is it ends with

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_09]: number five

[02:01:08] [SPEAKER_08]: no interest in seeing whatever the hell that

[02:01:10] [SPEAKER_08]: is

[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_08]: happy it made a lot of movie because I want

[02:01:14] [SPEAKER_08]: like different kinds of movies

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_08]: to make money at the box office but it seems pretty

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_08]: cursed that movie thank you

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah um no come on what's the movie

[02:01:23] [SPEAKER_08]: you want to see it

[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and you haven't seen it yet

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: is it blink twice

[02:01:27] [SPEAKER_08]: no I don't really care about that

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: oh watch that on fucking Amazon

[02:01:31] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah I hear it's okay

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_09]: this one you want to see

[02:01:35] [SPEAKER_09]: was an August release from what

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_09]: distributor

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_09]: 20th century folks

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Alien Romulus

[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_08]: any other hot takes on Alien Romulus

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_08]: from the blank check crew

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_08]: it looks great yeah well that's his thing

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: did you see it no

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: number six the box office something called

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_08]: the forge I seem that some faith based

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah or something I think so

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: okay number seven twisters enjoyed

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that yeah fun fun time

[02:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm good movie you know I saw

[02:02:06] [SPEAKER_09]: they re-released uh they brought

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_09]: twisters back in 40x

[02:02:10] [SPEAKER_09]: for one week

[02:02:12] [SPEAKER_09]: and then they also that week

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_09]: brought the original twister back

[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_09]: and all trained showings of that in 40x

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was the best

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_09]: application of 40x I've ever seen

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and the audience applauded at the end

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and that movie is so

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_09]: simple you watch it and you're like

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_09]: oh right these blockbusters used to be

[02:02:30] [SPEAKER_09]: uncomplicated guy wants divorce

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_09]: paper signed they try not to

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_09]: get sucked into a twister

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and the thing just hits and they kiss at the end

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and everyone applauds and they're just like

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_09]: that's just simple you just did it

[02:02:42] [SPEAKER_08]: number eight is blink twice

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_08]: which I guess I should check out did you see

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_08]: blink twice no I'm interested in it

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_08]: number nine is just big up on me four

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_08]: didn't see it then so far I

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_08]: haven't missed much now three

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_07]: times

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: number ten is that movie the front room

[02:02:58] [SPEAKER_08]: the 824 horror

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_08]: with brandy norwood

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_08]: uh they got very bad reviews yes

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't see it very odd

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_08]: looking film I mean we're done

[02:03:08] [SPEAKER_08]: people just it's really like a

[02:03:10] [SPEAKER_08]: three star fine experience I did

[02:03:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I did like the tim Burton did

[02:03:14] [SPEAKER_08]: practical stuff and I hope he does

[02:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: another interesting movie and I think

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: he's great in it and it's fine nice

[02:03:20] [SPEAKER_08]: to see the people and I had a fine

[02:03:22] [SPEAKER_08]: time and I'm glad it's doing well yeah

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I I wish it no

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_08]: ill same

[02:03:29] [SPEAKER_09]: sometimes there is

[02:03:30] [SPEAKER_09]: a movie that is a big hit and you

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and I both say

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_09]: this nothing good can come of this

[02:03:36] [SPEAKER_09]: this is a net negative for

[02:03:38] [SPEAKER_09]: society I think I also wonderland

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_09]: was one of those where you're like

[02:03:42] [SPEAKER_09]: this is bad this is culturally bad for

[02:03:44] [SPEAKER_09]: this movie to do this well is encouraging

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_09]: all the wrong things

[02:03:48] [SPEAKER_09]: I think what's kind of interesting

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_09]: about the legacy cool thing

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_09]: which has really replaced the

[02:03:52] [SPEAKER_09]: build an overarching franchise that can run

[02:03:54] [SPEAKER_09]: for everything is that we're

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_09]: pretty close to hitting the bottom of the bucket

[02:03:58] [SPEAKER_08]: we're almost done like we're going to be

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_08]: like you know crawl origins or whatever

[02:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: and I'm just like yeah you're you're out

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_08]: you're done because by it's very nature the thing has to be

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_08]: we didn't sequelize this to death at the time

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_08]: right it has to be something that

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_08]: basically was a flop it's fracking it's

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_08]: like this is untapped

[02:04:15] [SPEAKER_08]: that is a good call right

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_08]: you were we're blowing up the tops of

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_08]: mountains just right there's anything in there

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's like what ones where the main

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_09]: actors are still alive and have some cultural

[02:04:25] [SPEAKER_09]: relevancy and there's something to say and they

[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_09]: were popular at the time they're still popular now

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like this does feel like kind of

[02:04:31] [SPEAKER_09]: the one of the last ones that

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_09]: even theoretically has some power

[02:04:35] [SPEAKER_09]: so I don't know I think

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: we're finally ready for the

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: alf

[02:04:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm gonna ask a question

[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_09]: what would alf be like

[02:04:45] [SPEAKER_09]: through the twisted lens of tim Burton

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Tim Burton's right in high

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_09]: off of Beelge's Beetlege's

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_09]: what if he got his twisted fingers

[02:04:53] [SPEAKER_08]: you put alf in a pinstripe suit

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: should we buy Jonathan Rosenbaum's

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_08]: film collection for twenty thousand

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_09]: twenty people have sent that to me

[02:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: we've got so much space in this room

[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: thank y'all for listening

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_07]: wait I just like to say

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: my thoughts on final thoughts on

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Beetlege's Beetlege's

[02:05:11] [SPEAKER_09]: what do you think of this episode strong

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I give it a smile

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_07]: this has been a new thing

[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_07]: also this text message

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been going

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like are you going to read a new bit

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_07]: the requirements are responsible

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_07]: twenty three to seven years old must be

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_07]: a US citizen or visa holder

[02:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I texted back there's one problem

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not responsible

[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: and what did they say

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_09]: that's where the thread went cold

[02:05:35] [SPEAKER_09]: once again this is like an unknown

[02:05:38] [SPEAKER_09]: number text to do this unknown

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_09]: wow thank you all for

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_09]: listening please remember to rate review and subscribe

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_09]: next week we are back to

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_08]: David Lynch that's right

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess next week's episode will be of course

[02:05:51] [SPEAKER_08]: our episode

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_08]: on the film blue velvet

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_08]: with

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Jamie loft is our guest there

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_08]: so that's exciting and fun

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_08]: fun episode on a pretty important movie

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah pretty pretty fucking

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: important and over on the patreon we've got

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: an episode on