Beetlejuice with Rebecca Bulnes

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, don't know what to say or to expect. All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check. What are your qualifications?

[00:00:22] Ah, well I attended Juilliard, I'm a graduate of the Harvard Business School, I travel quite extensively, I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the Exorcist about 167 times and it keeps getting funnier every time I see it,

[00:00:39] not to mention the fact that you're talking to a podcast! Now what do you think? You think I'm qualified? He improvised all that right? Or at least some of it. I think he improvised a lot. He improvised the Juilliard-Harvard thing for sure. It's so good.

[00:00:51] Did he go to Juilliard? Harvard? No. Beetlejuice, yeah. Okay, okay. Cracking out the notebook right now. Oh for fuck's sake! Because here's the thing. Wait, can I just, before you go into here's the thing, can I tell you the quote that you should have done? Uh-huh.

[00:01:06] Okay, you either should have just done podcast, podcast, podcast, hilarious already. It would have been funny if I considered it. Pretty good. You should have done, you know I'm only truly happy when I'm podcasting. That's a good one.

[00:01:17] That's a good one and it also is the truth for me. Don't you guys agree? Do you love? Yes, I do agree. Yeah. Okay, so now I want to explain, I've taken out my notebook, it's my Incredibles 2 notebook. It's beautiful.

[00:01:27] I meant for children it actually says sketchbook on the side, we're cracking it open starting right now, we need to set out clear rules because if any of us say the B word more than three times, we're in the two times in this episode, we're fucked.

[00:01:40] So David has one tally. Yeah, okay, but as we agreed there are three different uses of the word. Correct, you're allowed to say the title of this movie twice. Yes. You're allowed to refer the character by name twice and you're allowed to talk about the animated series twice.

[00:01:55] But you have to say the title as if it's an italics. No. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm sure. I would like to hear what that sounds like from you though. No, because I already said the character's name once, I can only do it so many times.

[00:02:08] We can all do it two times though. Yes. The movie makes it clear, it's the same person as to say it. Now our guests we're both performers so we understand you've got to really make the distinctions clear, you've got to add some spin on the line readings, make

[00:02:20] it a italicized. David is a man of words. You know what I'm saying? He's a man of letters. He has to understand and we might have to like get into some sort of like, you know, I don't know what the term looking for is.

[00:02:32] I mean I don't know how to figure out when you're using which, you got to make your usage just very clear. Also I can refer to the star in the sky as many times as I like. That's not true, you can only refer to it twice. It's different.

[00:02:45] Title, animated. Honestly, here's another thing I want to say though. I think we can refer to the animated series as many times as we want because like if we summon that thing, like, I don't know. We're gonna have a lot to fear. What about the upcoming musical?

[00:02:58] The musical counts for two. You know what, yes okay. So it's everyone gets a grand total of eight. Eight. But you can't say I want to only use one musical and three titles. Do you know what I'm saying? Of course. Yeah.

[00:03:13] Because you just can't do more than two. Hello everybody my name is Griffin Neumann. I'm David Sims. This podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David. It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their career

[00:03:26] given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby. A mini-series. To be in the room. To be in the room, to see it live. We'll do it live.

[00:03:42] We'll do it live, fuck it, we'll do it live. There's so many series about the film. This is live by the way. This is live. Every time you download this episode we have to run back to the studio and do it again.

[00:03:53] I don't know why we agree to these terms. Is Mesares on the film? It's Tim Burton. It's called Podward Scissorcast and I'm going to use one right here. We could have done Pottle Juice. I like that. It's so gross. It's a dangerous line but I'm towing it.

[00:04:08] You're towing it. The title of the film that we're talking about today is Beetlejuice. So you're crossing one of yours off. Yep. Okay. See, here's the star, Ben. It's a star. It's part of the Orion system. You don't know about stars? Orion constellation.

[00:04:25] It depends more of a moon guy. Producer Ben, the producer, the polarity at the Han River. It's one of the largest stars visible to the naked eye. Tiber Ecker, Bart Master, Clockmaster. You can join in. I am. Is it?

[00:04:37] It's so big that if we put it in our solar system it would consume all of the small planets like all the way to Mars. Like that's how large it is. It would take up all of that space. It's a red giant.

[00:04:49] It's not Professor Crispy, he's the fuck man. Red. I'm sorry. A red super giant. That's even better. Say it's anything like a dot A, a dollar wide. Right. And it's mass. I can't even do this math. Ben 19, the funnel maker. Don't forget. Ben English. Mr. Ben credible.

[00:05:12] Robo haze and eat, drink Ben Haasley. Oh, and then the other one, the Haasle day? Yeah. Yeah, cool. Wait, say that again? The Haasle day. That is what I would say is sweaty. A little sweaty, a little perspiration on the brow there. Glossy, my friend.

[00:05:29] Our guest today who has spoken before we have introduced her because that's what you're supposed to do. Because you know, because you are one of the most important supporters in the history of this podcast. Like a woman all I do is support men. No, I'm not saying that.

[00:05:47] I'm just kidding. Booster. It's true. I'm the reason for the season. You're the reason for the season. That you're doing shows. You're our Santa Claus. Sure. Ho, ho, ho. Because you're an amazing performer and podcaster in your own right? Classroom clock. Wow. Classroom crush. That's what I do.

[00:06:04] Truly, I don't know how to say the name of my own podcast either. Classroom clock is the name of the show. I'm like, do I have a list? Cool. Classroom crush is your podcast. It is. But you used to write for Podmas. I was a podmas girl.

[00:06:18] That's true. Living in a high-tech digital world. You were a teen reporter pretending to be an adult. Yes, I was a liar. A liar and a thief. And a thief. Yes, I did. You got us a lot of recognition. You pushed us onto a larger stage.

[00:06:36] It was my pleasure and I still do it. Do you know that I was literally at a bar last night, literally on a date, which is disgusting? Congratulations. To be on a date. That's the second one I've been on since I got here.

[00:06:48] Since you got to New York? Yeah. Because you're usually all about dating. No, I'm all about dating. Hey, come on. Notorious Ho, David Sims. Thank you. There was a guy next to me at the bar who was not my date. Okay.

[00:07:03] He was an older married man, which is my demo. They love me. Cool. Somehow started to be in this conversation. Somehow this came up and then here I was explaining what playing check is to the people. So I still do it every day.

[00:07:17] I'm going to see that Rebecca Bullnase bomb. Yeah. You're going to see the Bullnase bomb for sure. David, remind me, was your one usage for the character? For the title. Okay. So you're going to see the character in the log. Yeah.

[00:07:30] And Harvard Business School or wherever he says he went. Okay. So my spread sheet is officially done now. So let's talk about beach himself because that's my work around. Yeah. Going to go ahead and register a formal objection.

[00:07:42] Ben, could you note it in the log to referring to the character as beach? And I will refer to him as my BF. That's fine. Because I like him. That's acceptable. But Ben, can you note that in the log?

[00:07:53] This is a new bit I want to do where I tell you to note things in the log. I like it. All right, hold on. Okay. And it's noted. Because in Star Trek, it's always like the captain's like, you know, blow up that spaceship.

[00:08:05] And the other person is like, I object to the captain's like, I'll note it in the log. That's it. That's the whole conversation. I'll go back and check that log after I blow up the spaceship. Anyway. That feels like the formal Star Trek version of take a picture

[00:08:20] or last longer. Oh boy. So, yeah, Beetlejuice. Yeah. I have nothing to add about this. Which one was that title of the animated series? Let's talk about it. I watched it a lot when I was a kid. I'm sure I watched it before I saw this movie.

[00:08:38] Same here. Truly have never seen a clip. No. Interested. Nope. I guess you're because it was, I don't, it's not a series that lasted in the zeitgeist. It was an early nineties thing. Correct. It was a big hit on Cartoon Network. Not midnight, that was the big thing.

[00:08:56] I think both Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon played it at points in time and reruns. So it only ran for like maybe two seasons. Yeah. Yeah. 89 to 91. But it was. Fox kids and ABC. ABC and then Fox kids. Interesting. But then it was in rotation a lot.

[00:09:14] Like I remember being the show that would come on after the show I actually wanted to watch. If it was like Rugrats was at like 6 30. Then at seven o'clock you might be getting a little beach. You might be getting a little beach. You're using it again. Yes.

[00:09:26] Even though the strong pro tag. We know what it is in the log. It's in the log. Hey Ben, is it in the log? Wrote it down. And right. And so when I saw this TV show I was like, oh, B. B.J. Uh-huh.

[00:09:40] Is about like this kooky ghost guy who's best friends with like a teenage girl and they have adventures together. That's the whole premise. And then so when I eventually come around to seeing the movie, which is probably years later because I think the movie was scary.

[00:09:54] Like I think it was like, I want to look up its rating. Like in Britain, I think it was kind of PG. Not not and well, is it was a PG? That's the whole thing is that it's like violent.

[00:10:04] It's before the PG 13 era of like that it was a PG movie that had fucking it. The word fuck. Yeah. That was like a scandal. So yeah, you're right. It's a PG. That's insane. Which is so crazy. It should probably not be a PG. No.

[00:10:21] So now because of the fuck, because of all the, you know, head pulling and gore. Yeah, that's a morbid movie. Right. So whenever I was, I didn't realize that Bealjuice. Oh boy. That's the character. So I'm done on the character. Correct. Was not all over the thing.

[00:10:42] You know what I mean? Like I was like who was out? Baldwin doing here. Right. Because the format of the cartoon is the Maitlands are not in it at all. Right. It is Lydia, their parents and then the ghost with the most beach himself. It's my favorite.

[00:10:57] He's the ghost with the most babe. And it's either like within an episode, like she has a problem at school and he'll use some supernatural ghost magic to help her or he asked her to come with him to the land of the dead.

[00:11:08] And a lot of it is Lydia as this living girl surrounded by like the shrunken head guy. Right. There are a lot of other new original characters. She had sort of like a poncho. She would always be wearing this sort of cape thingy. Yes. And she's got.

[00:11:23] Yeah, she was a got. Beach himself wears the stripe suit all the time exclusively. Right. Good luck. And he's kind of like put upon like he's like, he's not a little stinker. Like he's like, you know, a ghost with a lot of abilities,

[00:11:36] but he's always like, I got this problem. I think Dan Castel, that voices him baby. No. Oh, I don't think so. Really? Let me look it up. Here we go. Burton did produce it and Mr. B is voiced by Steven Umiett. Oh wow. Umiett, Steven Umiett.

[00:11:56] He is Canadian. Of course. A graduate of the University of Windsor. Of course. You know him well as the voice of Angel in the X-Men animated series. But yes, it's very much a buddy show. I had seen that for years before seeing the movie and saw the movie

[00:12:15] and was like, God, I'm already like an hour and a half then. Where's my guy? He answered, when are they going to come best friends and go on adventures together? It is a weird thing. Culture a lot of people I've talked to of our age have said they

[00:12:28] have the exact same relationship. Because we're just a little younger. This movie came out in 1988. We were little babies. You maybe not have even existed yet. Negative one years old. Right. And it was a little baby. Ben was a little baby. I saw the movie though.

[00:12:41] And you were like three years old or whatever? Really? I remember being really young. I'm going to say this right now, Beetlejuice and I are fucking best friends. Okay. And you have the character. The character. Are you friends with the movie? He's talking about his friend. Yeah.

[00:12:57] Talking about my friend. And my cousin who was older showed me this movie when he was babysitting me one time. He's definitely really young but I was just like instantly obsessed. It's always the cousin. It is always the cousin. Freaky little cousin.

[00:13:10] And I remember it distinctively because this is like when I was like, oh, I can fuck with my parents constantly to be like a monster. That's what that was your takeaway? Yeah. I was like, I'm going to be like Beetlejuice. Oh, okay. You're out of character names.

[00:13:24] Yeah, Dan. Wow. I'm really good at this. I'm not. So do you feel like, yeah, Rebecca's dealing with a clean slate. Do you feel like a bead was the first character to encourage you to be a little stanker?

[00:13:38] I talk a lot about like Clifford and like that sort of like antagonistic relationship with your parents. Once you drink the juice. Yeah. So sure. Go on. Yeah. And by that, you mean come his come. Wow. That's a back-to-caste shout out. Are we going for you? Yeah.

[00:13:56] All right. Come's dry scabs. I want to be on the record. I think he comes dry scabs. All right. They're chewy but they're good. Oh, it's interesting. Oh, everyone deleted the episode. That's it. Interesting. Okay. So we've got a lot of things that are going to happen

[00:14:10] for me personally. This is going to be a very sexual episode. Yes. So just, you know, hey listeners, just hope you're alone in a room because you might just get real horned up by this podcast. All right. This has been a horn-wording.

[00:14:25] You don't want to be on public transit. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, we're blowing our horny horn. Yeah. Let people know this episode's going to get thirsty. So Tim Burton makes Pee Wee's big adventure. Yeah. Surprising sleeper hit. They immediately offer him...

[00:14:42] Oh, I also, I saw this on a porch. And there was another porch movie? Definitely a porch film. Wow. Maybe a Den. There's a porch in the film. That's true. There is a weird one. Nice wrap around porch. Yeah.

[00:14:55] Might have been a Den but I want to say it's a porch. Okay. I mean, that's cool. Very different things. Den and porch. For example, one inside. One out. Yes. I remember being cold. The floor. Put on a jacket. Put on a sweater please young Ben.

[00:15:12] One day Ben's going to like at the Metrograph have his porch retrospective movies I saw on porch. No, it'll be like a MoMA and they'll replicate the porch. You'll get to experience the cold porch. It has to be like an installation.

[00:15:26] It'll be like a ditch man nearby shouting in his dish language. Ben's first language was ditch language. Oh please I'm aware. It took a while for me to learn. You get him drunk enough he regresses back to it. Yeah, comes out. Oh into the door. Hey come on.

[00:15:44] Okay. Okay. Oh my God. Some kind of floating sheets. Cool. Floating sheets is usually a ghost. I mean. Feel these. These are like kind of like buttery like hotel grade sheets. Oh yeah. These are really soft. These are luxe sheets.

[00:16:09] Griffin, it's me Adam Maitland and it's me Barbara Maitland. Oh my God David. It's the Maitlands from Beetlejuice but they've upgraded their sheets. I could have sworn that was Albert Brooks. It's not. It's me Adam Maitland. Well they very accurate impression of Barbara Maitland. Sure. Gina Davis. Yes.

[00:16:32] Okay. You guys love your sheets. Sheets very important to the experience for you guys. We do. We tried to use them to scare the deets but it didn't work. And it seems like you've upgraded. That was the problem. The deets are elitists. Oh. Fancy sheets.

[00:16:47] They wouldn't even look at the cheap sheet. The thread count was too low. But the thing about Brooklyn is it's five star hotel sheets but they're inexpensive because they work directly with manufacturers. That's why we don't feel so bad about cutting the holes in them. Right.

[00:17:01] You can get quality sheets that are affordable and they got 20 colors and patterns, more than 20. You don't have to make a deal with some sort of Beetlejuice. You guys have remixed it in math. Adam please watch yourself. You only said it one time. I only said Beetlejuice once.

[00:17:14] Oh boy. Adam? Well Adam. Yes. My Brooklyn sheets are the best most comfortable sheets I've ever slept on. So now it's time for your upgrade. Brooklynin.com is giving an exclusive offer for just my listeners.

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[00:17:42] Hi, I'm Adam Madeline and here's the thing. My guest today. Wait no, you can't hide the episode. You can't host a podcast in the middle of this ad. We're doing an ad. God, these ghosts. I'm so confident in their product that all their sheets,

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[00:18:14] They rejected that title. Yeah, and they have drawn a chalk door on the wall. Oh it's rumbling. Why didn't they use the first door that they entered from? That's the ding-dong door. So Timberton makes Peaswick a venture. It's a big hit. Warner's is in on him.

[00:18:33] David Geffen is in on him. And they go, why make another pee-wee movie? We're definitely making another pee-wee movie. He's doing his TV show but we want another one of these. But he had fallen in love with this script that Warner Brothers and Geffen had.

[00:18:45] That at the time was of course called House Ghost. House Ghost is my favorite thing that's ever been written on in words. They shouldn't call this movie House Ghost. A very clear high concept premise. There gonna be some ghosts in that house. Right.

[00:19:00] What if there were ghosts in a house? A couple dies, they come back to their home, they want to stay there. They like the house? Right. They decide to be House Ghosts.

[00:19:09] New family moves in and the ghost can't figure out how to scare the people out of it. Was Mr. B in the House Ghost script? Correct. Now that's what I think is incredible is no one describes the plot of this film that way.

[00:19:21] But that is the plot of this movie. Of course it's the plot of this movie. And then Mr. B is one element of it. Sure. I mean like he's like the seventh lead. Correct. If that. He gets the ands. Yeah, he deserves the and. He's a very and.

[00:19:35] He's the epitome of an and. Right. But in the process of like developing this one they're like well the title's bad. No, it's not the most arresting. I like House Ghosts. Right. So they kept on going to different titles. Scared Sheet List was one of them.

[00:19:47] It wasn't Scared Sheet List the one that Burton suggested like as a joke and they were like. Yeah, that's good. Just like such like an older like white person thing to be like hey wait a minute. Now that's funny. Yes. Like get a life.

[00:20:03] Until they finally came up with calling the movie by the name of this character who then becomes the title character but he's kind of like Jaws you know. Sure. Like the movie is not about him it's about the looming threat of him. Sort of.

[00:20:17] Like giving him the title position the movie really tips its hand to making him feel so epic. I mean he is freaking epic though bro. But no, but that's what I find so fascinating about because it's like placing him as the

[00:20:30] title character mythologizes him before you even start watching the movie. Yeah. And then he's like prime position on the poster. Sure. And you're like give me that guy give me that crusty guy. Right. I gotta find him.

[00:20:43] But of course he reads the script and he goes I know exactly who I want to play the ghost with the most himself Sammy Davis Junior. Yup. Duh. Fights very hard for Warner Brothers is like are you fucking kidding me.

[00:20:59] How old is Sammy Davis Junior at this point? 70. Dead. Not dead. Cause he's a ghost and they're like okay I got it maybe. Cause he's only 60. Oh my god. Cause he died at the age of 64. Geez. He was an old 64. Yeah. I take it back. Yeah.

[00:21:19] Joke is bad. Yeah. RIP. Love Sammy Davis Junior. You like Sammy? Of course. Tell me a favorite Sammy tune. A favorite Sammy tune? No I like him in like Ocean's Eleven and like on the roasts and shit. He's always talking about how Jewish he is. That's true.

[00:21:38] That's why I love Sammy Davis Junior. I thought you're a fan of the music. That we're going to get some crew names from David. I don't know if I could name a single song of his. Cause he was more like he would sing like the standards right?

[00:21:49] Like he would come out and he'd hit you with the classics. I don't know. What kind of classics David? Give us a little taste. I'm just gonna try to get Davis's a thing. Oh I'm not gonna sing. That's what you're going for. You're in trouble.

[00:22:02] I just found something insane here in the INDB trip. Sure. The original script was a horror film. Oh yeah. And featured Mr. Goose, my edit there. Sure. As a winged reptilian demon who transformed into a small Middle Eastern man to interact with the Maitlands in the Deets.

[00:22:19] Yes I knew the small Middle Eastern man detail like it was going to be like a guy with a fence. Hold on we're just starting the roller coaster ride here.

[00:22:26] Lydia was a minor character with her six year old sister Kathy being the Deets child able to see the Maitlands. Mr. Goose's goal was to kill the Deets rather than frighten them away

[00:22:35] and included sequences where he mauled Kathy in the form of a rabid squirrel and tried to rape Lydia. Well I mean he's got that vibe in this movie. Can I say that literally his introduction not including the commercial

[00:22:54] like when we really see him interact with someone for the first time is him like fully sexually assaulted. He's like cool surprise kiss you know. But Michael McDowell one of the one of the writers of he's like a Paul Parr writer. Yeah.

[00:23:08] So he probably wrote kind of a fucked up thing. And you're like that is a good high concept hook is like okay so it's a movie from the perspective of the ghost kind of trying to scare the house. Yeah. The goose with the moose. Does that anything?

[00:23:21] Yeah no that's definitely something that is 100% something. Okay I'm glad I said it go on. I'm still I'm still waiting whether that's something. I'm gonna put that in the log. Yeah put that right in the log. But I think it is. Here's the highlighter too.

[00:23:35] It's one of these weird scripts that like went through the ringer and kept on getting transformed and oftentimes that like is a nightmare in Hollywood where like there's the famous story of like the guy sells what was it called Nottingham for like $2 million to Universal that was like.

[00:23:51] Is that a Robin Hood thing? Right and it was like here's the premise it's a movie from the perspective of the sheriff of Nottingham and Robin Hood's the bad guy.

[00:23:59] And Hollywood went crazy for this fucking script and they were like here's the thing Christian Bale is gonna play Robin Hood. I vaguely remember this.

[00:24:06] Russell Crowe is gonna play the sheriff of Nottingham then Russell Crowe got Ridley Scott to sign on then they started rewriting the script and they were like actually what if it's just Robin Hood?

[00:24:14] Because I think Ridley Scott came bored is like let's just do like a war movie like let's just do Robin Hood right. But it was like they love war. They had spent like $2 million for a concept that they completely threw out.

[00:24:24] Also because it's like that's not worth $2 million someone just like make a movie about the villain instead of the hero. Sure but it's just one of the apparently there was a full draft that I think was supposed to be good, you know, it's fine.

[00:24:38] They didn't just pay for the concept. It'd be better though if someone just came in and was like Robin Hood always fights the sheriff of Nottingham. We all know this slide. What if he's a little stinker?

[00:24:49] I'm gonna break the record for how many times I can say a little stinker. Imagine you're the sheriff of Nottingham. You're trying to be a sheriff. You're collecting the taxes. You're running a municipality here. And it's Jerk Robin Hood living in a forest.

[00:25:03] You're just a work of day Joe. He's coming in and raiding. Clocking in clocking out nine to five trying to take from the poor, give to the rich as you do. Look it's a broken system but systems have to be respected.

[00:25:15] And have you seen this guy little John? He's not even flittled. He's just a dick. He's spanked. These people are liars. They're liars. They're committing three crimes, robbery, fraud, vigilanteism. The mainstream media is trying to tell you that capitalism is bad.

[00:25:32] That just because we have money, we're the bad guys. Boy oh boy. What a great movie. Maybe Robin Hood is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Maybe that's like who she... She's Robin Hood? Yeah. Okay we're getting political. You know what I'm saying? This is crazy.

[00:25:48] And maybe that's my new take on Robin Hood is like actually like Mitch McConnell is the sheriff. Oh my God. Yeah and we don't like him. I'm glad that you took a sip there to reset so we can just move on.

[00:26:01] Hard reset and Ben start the episode now. But the script sort of involves and I think Burton latches onto the premise and obviously as a guy who loves sort of like Gonzo, Supernatural. It's got this world he can represent, you know the world of the dead.

[00:26:17] Well and this is the first time that he really gets to do his thing of the juxtaposition between like the very kitschy, suburban sort of 1950s style aesthetic, you know? Which he's doing in a more naturalistic kind of way in this movie. Yeah.

[00:26:32] You know the Maitlands are very much like a kind of 50s couple even though the movie takes place in the 80s. So dumb. Right. And then his sort of Gonzo like full visual extremism kind of thing. A couple things I want to note. Yeah.

[00:26:46] The original script was McDowell only. Okay. And he had written an episode of Alfred Hitchcock presents that Tim Burton had directed. The Jar? The Jar starring Griffin Dunn. Griffin Dunn. Which was then I think him trying to get Burton hired on for after hours came out of that.

[00:27:02] Right. So like maybe that was also part of the connection. But Burton fires McDowell and replaces him with Warren Scarron. Okay. So I guess Warren Scarron revamps it to make it more comedic. Right.

[00:27:15] And you know what's so crazy is that his name's Scarron and you know there's a little, there's some scaring going on. It's a group. I mean for all I know his name is like Scarron. Who produced this movie? Some Scarron. Rupert Spookin? No, is that Larry Wilson?

[00:27:29] Oh, okay. Warren Scarron who also wrote Batman. Yes. Yeah. So or a co-wrote it with Sam Ham. Right. Yeah. So you pointed out to me, I didn't realize this is Alec Baldwin's literally his second movie ever. It's his second credit. I will triple check that.

[00:27:50] After doing TV, after doing soup operas, not saying anything and stuff. He'd been in Notz Landing. He'd been on stage. Yeah. He'd only retired from public life at that point like six or seven times. Right.

[00:28:00] It is so basically in 1987, he's in Forever Lulu in a supporting role, whatever that is. She's never going to stop being Lulu. Here's his 1988. He has five movies. Jesus Christ. So he was the Jude Law of his time? Yes. He was the Law of the Hunters.

[00:28:14] So he's a supporting role and he's supporting in all these except for Beetlejuice honestly. That's the title. I know but you got one in that column. I just want you to know you have a total of four. Yeah. Okay. So I'm referring to Jesus Christ. Okay. Five.

[00:28:31] All right. So he was in, she's having a baby. She is. She's very good in a small part. He's quite good. Kevin Bacon and Elizabeth McGovern. He's in Married to the Mob which is hilarious and he gets murdered very fast.

[00:28:42] And people and he's like so sexy in that movie. So confident. I remember like my dad told me like that was the moment everyone. You would love this movie. Oh yeah. It's some boys but also it's just like a lot of toot. A lot of like it's great.

[00:28:57] I could watch it. Beg will probably go Gaga for Maudine in that movie. Sure. He's got like cutie. A whole contraption he uses to like put on his clothes every morning. Okay. He's freaky. It's a great movie. But that's, he's really like fucking sexy.

[00:29:10] He's got a lot of charisma in that movie. It's a really strong supporting part. Okay. Noted. Put it in the log then. He's in Working Girl which he also has a supporting role in. He's in Talk Radio which is a great, the Oliver Stone,

[00:29:22] the Gosian movie which he's like sort of the second lead in. And he's in this movie. This movie. Called Beetlejuice. I just wanted to get my, you know, get in it. And he's first build. First build. He is the lead of this movie which no one remembers.

[00:29:36] Which is crazy because his performance is like 60% ass. Like his ass, did you not notice this? How his ass is just like on display. His tight butt in those slacks. He looks amazing. He looks so good.

[00:29:48] He's got the light hair which you don't really see on Alec Baldwin much. He's so sexy in this. It's the glasses too. The glasses are so great. Because in this period where he is like ungodly, beautiful, right? Yeah. Good looking guy.

[00:30:02] Very often he's playing this sort of like greasy McKees moat thing. Like, you know, married to the mob. A little too slick a little bit like. How did his head get so wide? It's crazy. You know, it's like Barry Bonds. Like he just sort of like. Ving Reigns.

[00:30:18] He was dosing. Like your head, your ears, like things grow. But it's like, it's his though grew. His wider. No, this phenomenon has happened to me twice. So like I grew up, you know, obviously grease was one of my favorite movies and like, you know, he is beautiful.

[00:30:32] That movie. And then I at some point just like saw. Oh my God. Now I don't even what's his name? John Travolta. There we go. Yeah. I just don't know who John Travolta is. No, I remember seeing him in like later stuff.

[00:30:44] I'm like, what happened to his head slash face? When did his eyeballs get same thing happened with Baldwin? I remember seeing him with Baldwin, but also because when I watched this movie, I was so swept up in the sexual charisma of Beetlejuice. I didn't like not. Oh, no.

[00:30:55] No, it's fine. You only got two. It's okay. I just want to say I'm currently in the lead. No, but I, but when I was young, listen, when I was young, I didn't, I truly did

[00:31:05] not even notice that I like Baldwin is hot in this and then it only took me watching it later as a more of an adult to be like, oh, because I was always like, I don't get the Alec Baldwin thing. I was like, he's not hot.

[00:31:17] And then I was like, wait, okay, got it. Yeah. I mean, he's rocking like some really strong like norm core like Alec Baldwin is daddy in this movie. The flannel tucked. Yes, please. Yeah, definitely daddy. But it's also, I would argue this should teach him.

[00:31:30] I would argue this is the only time that he has really played a normal person. Like he's usually doing so much and I'm not saying that a bad way. You hit me with that take last night.

[00:31:43] I mean, in the hunt for red October, which is not long after, I'd say that is the closest semi normal person, but it's almost he's almost too normal where he's just like, look, I'm just the guy who reads books and knows about submarines.

[00:31:53] And you're like, what the fuck is up with you? Do you have like a sex dungeon? And I will say, I will say also, I think he's great in that movie. I think Jack Ryan has a sex. I think he does. He's the best Jack Ryan by far.

[00:32:02] I agree. But I also think there is a little bit of the and I'm not saying this in a bad way. I think he's wearing it very well, but the self affected sort of like this is my shot at being a movie star.

[00:32:14] I'm going to have the movie star swagger in this movie. The hair is doing a little flippity flip. Right. Like this is very much just like a normal guy performance. He's not coming in with that sort of like, you know, that vibe. Yeah.

[00:32:25] Honey, you know, and then it's like, okay, we like that. You know, I've never seen like, I think of like, never seen like the juror. What's he like in the juror? But I think at that point, like he's very like, like, that's like his

[00:32:41] version of like trying to figure out what his Tom Cruise movie star persona is. You know, the edge is great. Yeah. I like his swaggering 90s performances like like Miami Blues. He's great and Gary Gunn Ross, of course.

[00:32:54] He's he's amazing in malice where he gives that Aaron Sorkin thing where he's like, I am God like talking about being a doctor. I'll even I'll refine even more. I think this is his only non big swing and dick performance. Yeah. That's the thing.

[00:33:06] It's like he becomes just like a he becomes a confidence man. Right. And sometimes it's as like a scumball and sometimes it's as your hero. He's like truly pathetic in this movie. Yeah. He's just like a way. He's a bit pathetic. No, he's not.

[00:33:20] He's like a sweet heart. Yeah. He loves his model. Yeah. No, it's cute. It's cute. I can say now that I'm like, that's all I want. Like a stupid cute boy, you know, but like if you're edgy, like I am still also you'd be like, okay, this

[00:33:37] guy is not got much going on. He's got he's got a lot going. No, but doesn't he hate this performance? Isn't that a thing? Doesn't he not like so this is his least favorite of his movies. I feel like I read that.

[00:33:47] That's and then I'm like, okay, wow, you're basic. Well, we don't really need to talk about Alec Baldwin the person because he tends to be wrong on a lot of stuff like like give me an example. But I mean, it's true that we are live from New York.

[00:34:00] It's Wednesday morning. Yes. So you know, it was incredible. I mean, this episode will come out a couple of weeks after we're recording this, but they brought Robert DeNiro back recently to do another Mueller cold open. Yeah, that guy every time they give him a shot,

[00:34:15] fucks up live from New York. He doesn't really know what it is, even though he clearly knows what it is. He's hosted like four times. Lord Michaels loves bringing in for guest appearances. Yeah, from New York and Saturday night, like he

[00:34:27] always like sort of joins in halfway through. Oh yeah. Obviously like a great actor, maybe not super well suited to live sketch comedy and just always seems fun. I appreciate that he's game. I'm happy he goes for it. But for someone who's like got a reputation of

[00:34:42] like one of our finest actors ever, he hosts that show with the ease of Charles Barkley and we love when Charles Barkley is on the show. Barkley is amazing, but it's more because he's bizarre. Right? I mean, that's part of his general TV personality.

[00:34:55] It's like a dog walking on its hind legs. It's like very amusing. It's a skill piece. Yeah. It's a skill show. Uh-huh. Don't tell. We're literally yelling and throwing his Incredibles sketchbook around the studio. Go man. I'm turning into a snake. You got to get a gage tally.

[00:35:14] Um, yeah. Where's Gina Davis at at this point? Because it took to see and fletch her like she's got these tiny roles in big movies. Another person who is just like at her height of like being an appealing star. She is so naturally.

[00:35:27] Tall, big curly haired icon who I should be. She is a curly haired icon. There is no question. So to see obviously, no one in the history of film who has ever looked like Gina Davis other than Jean Davis.

[00:35:39] She is so specific for me when I become Gina Davis. You really should become. Yeah. Um, so to see to 82 and she's on Buffalo Bill the sitcom with a Dabney Coleman. Right. So that sort of occupies her time. Flash. Then she's in flesh. Uh-huh. Yeah.

[00:35:53] And then she's in the fly. Wow. Fantastic. Right. And then this year she's got. Earth girls are easy. Does that come later? This year she's got Beetlejuice. Okay. Earth girls are easy and her Oscar winner. Wow. Wow. I think I already overdid it. I just know. No, no.

[00:36:09] I want to be clear. You have said the movie title twice. You've said the characters name twice. You said animated once you said musical once. You have one more animated one more musical and then. She's a wisely who knows what will happen. Haldipay.

[00:36:21] Um, but uh, so she wins the Oscar this year. For the accidental tour. Right. She won the Oscar for the same year. So this year is just like humongous. And does she get married to uh, Goldblum the same year? Cause they're together at this point. 87. 87.

[00:36:38] She has already married. A long lean couple. So she is. Yeah. Long lean couple. It's true. She's like breaking out as a movie star. She's married to Jeff Goldblum and she wins an Academy Award. That's right. All things that I want. She's the queen of Hollywood.

[00:36:51] Within two years she's divorced Jeff Goldblum. Perfect. And then she goes on to marry Renny Harlan and then they break up pretty fast and she married someone else and they broke up like. Yeah. She runs through the husbands. Uh, she uh, almost becomes an Olympic archer. Really? What?

[00:37:06] You didn't know this? She's got such a weird filmography. Yeah. Cause she took a long break and she sort of started coming back now but she also like, she founded the Gina Davis Institute for Media Research which is all

[00:37:17] about like breaking down the statistics of representation of women in media and she's been doing this for like 15 years. Like way ahead of the curve. 62. She's made 25 movies. Like she makes the movie if she wants to. That's kind of it. Uh, not Madame Secretary.

[00:37:30] What was that show called? Um, that one was called Commander in Chief. That's right. Uh, which was like one of those things was a huge hit and then they moved it to some new night and it tanked. And like one season. Yep.

[00:37:41] But that was like, oh, Gina Davis is back. That was your comeback. Right. Right. And since then she's worked sporadically. She does a lot of this media stuff. Well, she's in Grey's Anatomy sometimes. She's in the Exorcist TV show as Reagan sometimes. Right. Which is wild. Very weird.

[00:37:55] Uh, but yeah, apart from that, it's like, you know, she'll pop up in a little movie. She was in Marjorie Prime. Oh yeah. Which she's kind of bad at, but whatever. I feel like there's something I saw her in recently. First of all, that's sacrilege.

[00:38:07] She's never been bad. Second of all, I think I saw her something recently that she was very good in a small role. I'm always excited when she shows up. I think of like in a world, she was in that. Oh yeah. She's got a weird small part.

[00:38:19] Cute movie. In that maybe? We got Demetri in that movie. Let's not talk about Demetri. We love. He's very charming in that movie. So cute. She was in the Gina Davis show. She had her sitcom for one season in 2000. That was weird. Very weird. What did she do?

[00:38:34] She was like a party planner. Yeah, because look, her career is. Mimi Rogers. So you go, like she's riding high, right? Then 95 Cutthroat Island was at the time the biggest flop in history. Right? Yeah. Directed by her then husband. They get divorced.

[00:38:48] Then she does the long kiss good night, which at the time was the biggest spec script sale of all time. So it was a super hyped up movie. I want to correct you. Correct you. Randy Harlan also directed the long kiss good night.

[00:38:58] They only get divorced after that. Oh, correct. But I think that was supposed to be their sort of comeback redemption movie. And it underperforms at the box office. It's a good movie, but it wasn't a hit. Need to see it.

[00:39:07] It's certainly Randy Harlan's best, I guess, I don't know. Then she doesn't do movie for three years until Stuart Little. Right. And then she only does Stuart Little's. Right. Then does the sitcom for one season in between Stuart Little one and two.

[00:39:19] And then it's like she's pretty much done. She just shows up in little appearances. Consensus on a consensus on Stuart Little. Good. I haven't seen in a long time. What do we think? I think I saw the first one. First one's good. Second one sucks.

[00:39:35] The second one's the more escape boys. He's a radical fruit. I'm not interested. It has little in the title. Oh, right. He is also, I mean, it's now it's not like a little John situation where it's alive. I mean, he is very little.

[00:39:48] I mean, he's a regular for a mouse. A matchbox and shit. Yeah. I think his bed is like a matchbox or something. I would have friggin fed him to my snake because I had a snake. You had a snake?

[00:40:00] Did you guys know that I liked the movie that we're talking about? Yes. Because I had a snake. That was one of your entry points. A snake girl. Oh, duh. So the other big career talk about here is Michael Keaton himself, my favorite living actor. God, so much.

[00:40:14] We all just leave the room for this. No, I'm not. For the Michael Keaton thing? I will keep it in the pants. I will keep it in the pants. Okay. Thank you. We're going to do Keaton two more times in this mini series.

[00:40:24] But Ben and I were going over late last night while drunk, how insane the arc of his career is because he was a stand up. Then he starts being like a sitcom guest appearance guy when that was the pipeline.

[00:40:34] Like, oh, if you're good at like, you know, you're killing it at the comedy store. ABC will sign a deal for you so you'll get like two guest appearances a season. Right? Is there stand up footage of him? Yes. It's hard to find. It's really good.

[00:40:48] There's not enough of it. It's been a long ago that there was, there weren't filming it as much. What's his like style of stand up? That's what I'm wondering. Here's the joke of his that he was on the Norm McDonald show,

[00:40:58] the Netflix show was really good and Norm was clearly a really big fan of his stand up and said that Michael Keaton was one of his big stand up influences. And I would say his joke writing style is very similar to Norm McDonald's.

[00:41:08] Performance wise, he's doing the Michael Keaton thing. Right. He's doing that sort of manic energy. Right, right. But he had this big joke where he was like, I'm going to fuck it up. But the bit is... Better do it funny.

[00:41:20] Yeah, he's like, you know, I love Bazooka Joe. You guys read these Bazooka Joe comics. I got one the other day. It's really, really, really good. Let me read this thing. So the first strip is Bazooka Joe and he goes,

[00:41:32] you know, hey, what's with the weather outside or whatever it is. And then the second panel is like the character having this large existential tangent about like morality. And it's him just like rambling and so? Correct. Right. It's really funny.

[00:41:48] But the joke that Norm McDonald said is one of his favorite jokes ever is he said, you know, I was flying into JFK the other day and we landed and they said, just so you know, the temperature in New York is two degrees.

[00:42:00] And I said with degrees like that, why have any? Michael, Keaton, you silly. I think that's a really funny joke. Okay. I can see him doing it and just being like... Yeah. I thought to myself, he seems a lot of personality.

[00:42:16] Like, you know, like 50% of the selling is like he's chewing gum too well. He's doing it. He's that kind of inner. I love that. He definitely chews a lot of gum in movies. Yeah. He's got a lot of like full 80s mullet. He's always got like business.

[00:42:29] A lot of business. He's a very businessy actor. He's like, I guess what to do? Right. He's one of the few actors where it's like, he's that businessy. He's doing so much in every moment. It always feels justified. It always feels in lockstep with...

[00:42:40] Which is like one of my favorite Keaton performances. He's doing a lot. Even though he's playing a pretty quiet guy. In a quiet movie. He's pretty managerial and it's a quiet movie. He's still, yeah, he still finds business. I remember seeing how...

[00:42:51] It was very hot in that movie. It was so hot in that movie. Very hot. I remember seeing that with my mom and there was one moment where he's doing like a walk and talk with Mark Ruffalo and we both started laughing at the same moment and turned

[00:43:01] to each other and went, he's still doing like a walk. Right, right, right, right. Like he's like, Rosendo, come in with me. I love it. And he's like doing his like strut down the hallway. That's a lot of ass too. Yeah. He walks with hips, baby.

[00:43:10] That's a tight pants move. That's a lot of men in nice slacks. Ruffalo, you got to sleep. I'm talking out of a corner of my mouth. I know. I should watch Spotlight again. I watched it again like two weeks ago and I was like, mmm, good.

[00:43:26] If you say Spotlight three times, you do summon the Spotlight division of the Boston Globe who will investigate you. They'll investigate me and they'll be like, okay, confirmed. She's cool. Exactly. They give you a certificate or there's a story like Spotlight reveals Rebecca bonus. Very cool. Very cool.

[00:43:45] So he's doing these TV appearances, right? He's like showing up in sitcoms and shit. He's a cast member of the... The Mary Teller Moore Hour, I believe it's called. Right, which was the sketch show with him and David Letterman as part of the ensemble.

[00:43:58] But he's already, by this point he's been in a lot of movies. Well, no, but this is my point. So Ron Howard is casting Night Shift. This is supposed to be his breakout movie as a director. He gets Henry Winkler to agree.

[00:44:08] Henry Winkler is such a big star at the time that they can't cast this other role, but the studio is so happy with Winkler that he can cast anyone. He goes to a casting director and she goes,

[00:44:16] if you don't need a star, if you're just looking for funny, the funniest guy around is Michael Cude. They give him this role and overnight he like breaks out. He's hosting Saturday Night Live. Everyone's like, this is the new exciting comedic actor. Follows up immediately with Mr. Mom.

[00:44:30] Mr. Mom. Where he's playing a little more of a normal guy. He's a stay-at-home dad. And that movie's a huge hit. So now everyone goes, we love it. The Michael Keaton thing. And Michael Keaton says himself in interviews,

[00:44:41] I got really scared because I saw how I was going to be pigeonholed as this well-meaning kind of glib guy. So he starts zagging. And does a couple things that don't work well for him. Well, he does Johnny Dangerously, which is a flop. We will cover one day.

[00:44:55] We will cover one day. Amy Heckerlings. It actually wasn't like a flop flop because it wasn't that expensive, but certainly didn't make money. Especially for people coming off of big movies like Keaton was hot, Heckerling was hot. I think it was seen as a disappointment.

[00:45:07] And Piscopo was, I mean, white hot. Then he does Gung Ho. Another Howard, which is a movie that is borderline unwatchable today for how racist it is. But he's still pretty good at it. Overseas automobile factor. What you're trying to say is sometimes racists are good.

[00:45:26] It's just one of those movies where it's about a Japanese company buying an American motor plant. And the whole movie is like, you see, now let me stop you here. But Japanese culture and American culture very different. What? Yeah.

[00:45:42] And then you're like, are we going to move past this? And they're like, no, the movie's long. He does a movie called Touch and Go that definitively doesn't exist. But I'd like to read the tagline for it.

[00:45:53] The poster is him like the woman is trying to kiss him and he looks astonished. He's like, oh boy. What is this? That's how I feel if Michael Keaton was going to kiss me. I would be her trying to kiss Michael Keaton.

[00:46:03] I would be just giving a thumbs up. I'd be like, are you sure about this? I'm game but seems like a weird decision for you. Anyways. With the leg up. The catchphrase for this, the tagline for this movie is yesterday he was a fun loving sports hero.

[00:46:18] Today he's had his life threatened, his Jaguar wrecked, his career jeopardized, dot, dot, dot. And now someone's trying to cook him breakfast. Okay, now here's the thing about this tagline that I like. I were late. Clean. Very easy to understand. It's literally got two paragraph breaks.

[00:46:34] That feeling when you are a sports, but I can't remember what the fuck he said. It's a classic TFW. Yeah. So then he makes a movie called The Squeeze that also doesn't exist. Also good band. The poster is him in between like twin towers

[00:46:48] and a hand is like squeezing him. It looks very strange. A mysterious black box spells danger to a con man and female detective. These movies aren't working, right? So he's kind of... It's the fucking poster. It's the twin towers to be clean. Yeah. It's capital T.

[00:47:05] What is this? So he's playing against the movie star persona that people like in Night Shift and Mr. Mom and he's not finding success in something else. And Tim Burton wants to hire Sammy Davis Jr. Gives him a list of a bunch of other

[00:47:19] like weird variety show guys that he grew up loving. And Warner Brothers was like, you got to cast a movie star in this role. You maniac. Yeah, you have to cast someone who's like relevant to today's audience. He's like, but I'm a weirdo and I'm a freak. Right.

[00:47:32] And they were like, I think we can get Michael Keaton because Michael Keaton is like an above the title guy who's a little like back on his heels right now. And a weirdo. This is such a fun showcase role. It's a good manic energy kind of thing.

[00:47:43] It's not a large like commitment. Right. And they get him a degree to it and he becomes the guy over the title. And this completely changes his career. Right. Because he does this clean and sober in the same year. Clean and sober is great.

[00:47:55] Yeah, he's great in that too. He wins the national SSA. But he didn't immediately sign on right? No, they split it in between. They say for both. Right. For both for the juice and clean and sober. And then he becomes Batman. Then the immediate follow up is

[00:48:10] that he becomes Batman for Tomb Raider. The superhero. The famed superhero Batman. But he said, I mean, Dark Knight. This was the beginning of I think Burton and Keaton being like, oh, we're kind of on the same page about stuff. He says, according to Michael Keaton,

[00:48:24] the character was described to him by Burton as having lived in every time period but no time period. And I think Keaton latched onto that and was like, this is a performance. This is a character why I can't be too big. Yeah.

[00:48:35] Because this is the key to the movie. They use this character so sparingly. Right. Every time he's on screen, you're like, this is the greatest comedic performance of all time. He's a garnish. And he's never on screen for more than four consecutive minutes. Right. It's so good. Yeah.

[00:48:50] He's like truffle. Waddling around, just doing his thing. Where you're kind of like, wow, this is a very intense flavor, but I'm into it. And partially because of the cartoon show and also partially because of how good the performance is and how ubiquitous he is

[00:49:02] is like a cultural icon now. It's sort of like Silence of the Lambs where you think of him being in the whole film. But the like... Yes, for sure. It's all really just like edging. And then you finally get that sweet... This is a masterpiece of edging. BF.

[00:49:16] Yes. My boyfriend. I love the plot of Beetlejuice. Let's do it. David? I said it three times. Dun dun dun. Dun dun dun. You are banned from podcasting. Dun dun dun. Oh, no way. I was referring to the musical. Oh, OK. And we're going to strike that.

[00:49:32] And so the plot of that musical is... It's going to be similar to the movie, I don't know. I think it's a little heavier on the title character. And Lydia, it's apparently more inspired by the cartoon show while having the plot of this movie

[00:49:46] and the two of them being like teammates. And apparently the Maitlands are not a big part and they're dorks. But also I was... They're like nerds, like Danny Pudi, I believe, Pudi. Did it for the workshop. Yeah. Is not doing it on purpose.

[00:50:00] I did not realize that Anthony King wrote the book. Correct. And when I read that, I was like, good, I like, because he's funny and does good music stuff. We'll see how that thing... It'll be opening soon. I should be in there.

[00:50:14] I believe it's opening sometime next year. Yeah, it's had its tryouts. It's going to star What's His Pants who is already in School of Rock. Yes, his name is Alex Brightman. And... His name is What's His Pants? Yeah, I'm sorry. Alex What's His Pants Brightman

[00:50:29] and this young woman, Sophia and Karusso, who's 17 and is playing Lydia and supposed to be incredible. I can pass as 17. I'm sure she's good. You are 17. The reviews have been mixed so far. We'll see what it's like when it opens up our alleyway.

[00:50:41] Maybe we'll cover it in some capacity. What are the songs you'd be like? I'm a guy and I'm pretty goth. Yeah, that's one of them. What if it's a jukebox musical? Beetle! Beetle! Beetle! No, no, no. You're not used to many?

[00:50:56] No, he's saying them one in the other. He's putting a space in there. Okay, fair enough. I was doing jazz hands. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was going to say what if it's a jukebox musical and they just use the song Book of Blinquan 82?

[00:51:08] Because it does exist in all time. So what is his age again? It's your holiday! They could do like Harry Belafonte. It could be like a Calypso musical, right? Apparently, Deo's in it. Well, I should also. You gotta. And Jumpin' Line. Yeah. I don't know. That's my pitch.

[00:51:27] Broadway, where's my money? Susie and the Banshees would be good in that too. So this movie starts out with another perfect Danny Elfman character theme. Right. A very propulsive, exciting, dangerous sounding comedy theme. But also funky. With this amazing opening credit sequence

[00:51:47] that feels like this sort of like bird's eye overview. I mean, we talked about it in Pee Wee, but it's again like Elfman just like it just sounds like the character. Yes. Like he just, that's his skill. Right. He's so good at the character theme.

[00:52:02] The same thing as the Simpsons, really. This is what the Simpsons sounds like. This is what the town of Springfield sounds like. You should have him sit down like at a piano like Edward Cullen does in Twilight and be like, hello, this is your theme,

[00:52:15] but then he gives us all a theme. Or like Jack Black in the holiday. Oh, sure. Oh, that's true. He hits his down at the plounders, goes, that's a better connection. Don't get me started on the LJB though, because I won't stab. So what do you think?

[00:52:27] Let me just lay up here, get some points in my side of the column. Rebecca, what do you think is the better half of the holiday? I mean, well clearly since I'm planning on starting a Jack Black podcast, I will say it's all about. It's all about black.

[00:52:40] This barely counts. Thank you. Shuck another one. That's like the Democrats winning Vermont or whatever. So yeah, well we figured. You know, at CNN, it's like we got a breaking update here. Projecting that Hillary Clinton will win Vermont. Yeah. So getting political. I fucking, I will go there.

[00:52:58] Okay. There's a door. Maybe there's like, you know, a line of like do not cross. I cross. Listen, it's Thanksgiving soon. You gotta be careful with your fam. Oh God. Tough conversations with your family. Except actually literally, Cuban Republicans are real. So we'll see how that goes. Really?

[00:53:13] Florida, you know. What's up? Uncle. Florida had some elections. Yeah. Did they ever? Well yeah, cause you're a cool trail in Miami girl. Oh, rock and roll. Miami. Yeah. Party in the city where the heat is on. Go on. All night, all day. Yeah. You got it.

[00:53:31] Beach is on. I just like how quickly it goes from like, because the poster for this movie is like crazy ghost. You know, you got this wacky comedy star in it. The score sounds like exactly what you expect this movie to sound like.

[00:53:41] And then we realize it's a model town and now it's just two really nice basic people in an attic. Sorry, David. Yeah. Hey man. Your fashion stinks. I know. You've been smelling it from all the way over there. Stinky fashion. It stinks and it looks not so great.

[00:53:57] It doesn't look as bad as it smells. But neither, neither good. No. Neither good. No good. Look, I've been, I've been making an effort recently. I'll admit it. I've been stinking up the studio with my fashion, but I found a solution.

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[00:54:51] Some of us need a little bit of help. So they have this keep more, get more in each shipment. So if you keep two items, you get 10% off. Three items, 15% off. Sure. And four items, 20% off. Right? Okay. So you got plenty of time to figure it all out.

[00:55:06] You can sign up for your partner if maybe you're worrying about how they're dressing and, you know, they can figure it out themselves. Well, because it becomes unbalanced. You know, you can't look good. And then your partner be a schlub. They ask you all these personal questions about

[00:55:21] like how you want to dress. Like are you looking for like work clothes? Are you trying to step up your game a little bit? Things like that. Sure. And then your preferred kind of styles. Do they ask you how horny you want to look? Not sure.

[00:55:35] I mean, I don't really need any help in that front, honestly. So maybe I just skimmed over that. Sure. I like, you know, anyway, I just like how easy it is, especially since going to like clothing stores can be such a pain.

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[00:56:25] Open and close. Get it? I do. All right. That was crazy. That was the worst thing that's ever happened to me in my entire life. Well, please, you're being a little histrionic. I'm just guessing. I am commenting on it too. They live in Connecticut. Uh-huh.

[00:56:46] In an idyllic home. Beautiful small. It's all on its own out there. My dream car. He owns the hardware store, Madeleine hardware. You got to go over the covered bridge to get anywhere. Okay. And I got to go over the road. I was in a car.

[00:56:58] Always a little dog on the bridge. When I was young, I didn't get that that was his store. And I always thought that he was going in and, but no, but I thought he likes left money for someone. And I was like, wow, that's nice. Sure.

[00:57:10] It's got that small town charm. Also the guy outside that's talking to no one is me. Yes. I identify clearly with him. And I like that he's not too cutesy to entertain this annoying old man. He's just like, oh yeah, you do it. Yeah. He's got three stars.

[00:57:25] He's setting up a very nice small town and you just get on board with them immediately and then they're dead within four minutes. Yeah, then they die. And I think in the original script, the death was more graphic in this. They just, the car just sort of sinks.

[00:57:36] It's a nice, like cause if it was too heavy, it would, it would cast a long shadow. No, I agree. I mean, And you got the cute business with the dog balancing on the other side of the plane. So it's setting a comedic tone already.

[00:57:46] That is a rascal, that dog. That dog is totally a murderer that should be brought to justice. He's got a longer app shape. They come back home. Yep. Everything's normal. As a kid, you're watching us and you're like, Oh cool, they swam out of the lake. Sure.

[00:58:01] But they start to realize some weird shit going on. Their hands catching on fire. What? Not showing up in the mirror. Which now reminds me when I see that scene, I think of what we do in the shadows with, Yeah. What's the character's name? Viago, is that Viago?

[00:58:16] He's like, he's got like the cup. He's like, oh look at the cup. It's floating. Oh right, the mirror bit. That's fun. It's always a good bit. The effects in this movie are so good. They are. They're really, really good.

[00:58:26] They're good when they're seamless and they're good when they're not. Like both times you sort of love it. And both the sort of seamless stuff and the super stylized stuff age well. They do. But very quickly he realizes, Barbara, Barbara, I don't know if we survived.

[00:58:41] Cut to handbook of the disease. I don't know if that's actually the cut. Yeah, yes. They notice the book on the counter, the handbook for the recently deceased. Diseased? And you're like, you idiot. Lord had a read. They're dead. They're dead.

[00:58:57] And they're now also goes into like a, an alternate dimension with the same. Well, they try to leave the house and they see, they see the sandworm. Yeah. I hate them. Which reminds me of tremors, which I've only seen once at my grandma's house in Spanish.

[00:59:13] Highly recommend a Spanish dubbed tremors. Yeah. So funny. What is Spanish Kevin Bacon sound like? I know, those tremors. Wait a second. This sounds good. It is good. I do love like when you watch like sometimes on like special features, they'll have the

[00:59:33] like, like, oh, here's the bonus feature of like, here's this one scene in 30 different languages and you hear like comparison, like some of the voiceover actors clearly are like, I'm really going to try to sound like this guy. Right. And some of them just 100% do their own thing.

[00:59:48] Yeah. Teen Titans go to the movies. What is my favorite comedy of 2018? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Naring my eyes at you. Bought it on Blu-ray and they have like a reel of like the voices. You get along with my 11 year old brother. You bought it on Blu-ray?

[01:00:00] I bought it on Blu-ray. You should have made my brother. Coughing fit at that news. You're going to kill him. I'm actually, I'm going to correct myself. I bought it on iTunes because they didn't release a 4K UHD Blu-ray

[01:00:11] and I thought I could get it in higher resolution if I just bought the iTunes digital copy. But it comes with the features. Got to have them. Me and Ben are just feeling a little sad right now. 4K resolution for a flash animated movie. Right.

[01:00:25] That thing made for like 18 bucks. Correct. But they have like a reel of like their voices in every country and Beast Boy who like sounds like me is like, hey dude. Yeah. And then like half the clips are like, you're so like Beast Boy. That's good.

[01:00:39] I like it. The Israeli Beast Boys are really good. Anyway, shout out. So they are now like trapped in this like home trying to figure out what's going on. And I love the thing the movie does, which is like they're now like

[01:00:51] time is passing for them very strangely. Sure. They don't know how long they've been dead. Yeah. And it's never really, we don't have to think about that too hard. Right. Like we know the months have passed. Right. Pretty quickly.

[01:01:03] Oh, also like the real estate agents trying to flip their house and they don't want to flip their house. She'd come by early in the movie. Okay. Also she comes by early in the morning and they're like, it's 6.45. And like you're on vacation. Why are you up at 6.45?

[01:01:14] Insane people. They want to fix up their house or whatever it is they're doing. I don't know. She shames them for not having a baby. Yeah. And they get kind of somber. She doesn't shame them. She says like, right, it'd be nice.

[01:01:25] You know, it's sort of fit for her and Gina Davis makes sort of a sad face and she's like, I'm sorry. Right. You know, so. You get the sense that they're infertile. Yeah. Which is kind of sweet because the movie doesn't lay it on

[01:01:37] too thick, but the fact that like Lydia kind of becomes a daughter figure that they're helping her with her math homework. Yes. Cute, cute. But so the house is getting flipped. The real estate agent's coming by and very quickly the deets is by it.

[01:01:50] The best character in the movie by far. Delia Deets. She's the best person. Unbelievable. She would have been my Oscar winner. Okay. She's exactly who I want to be. She also looks like my ex stepmom. Shout out Janice. Love you.

[01:02:04] I always thought Catherine O'Hara looked just like her and like I had also just from a young age watched her in like Christopher Guest movies and stuff. Yeah. And I just like have a strong connection to her. And I think, I mean the performance is incredible,

[01:02:16] but also breaking it down that character, like she fucking rules. Like she is the best. I mean this is one of the areas where you go like this is why this movie is operating on a higher level is just like it

[01:02:28] be so easy to be like here's the annoying stepmother character. Oh no. She's such a like laser focused specific type of person. What does she say that I'm like that I was watching it. I was like, okay me.

[01:02:39] She goes Charles, I will not stop living and breathing art just because you want to relax. I'm like, okay same. Yes. I love how specific they are though. Yeah. Like if they're like this very like of the moment type of

[01:02:51] yuppie like with a very specific tastes that Charles is like stressed out quote unquote like, you know, whatever like Charles is like the perpetual put upon like victim of a New Yorker comic. Yes, exactly. But I also do like love him like I love their marriage.

[01:03:09] I love like honestly, I mean as a young person, I was like, oh Lydia's cool and I should be like that. But like now as an adult, I'm like, okay, she's annoying. Shut up. She literally just wants to be Delia.

[01:03:21] And I'm like, okay, can I be an annoying obnoxious art freak with like a like a nice white husband? Yes. Let's say a nice white husband in a wonderful performance by acclaimed pedophile Jeffrey Jones. Oh, yeah. Forgot.

[01:03:36] One of many creepy people we have to talk about numerous times on this mini series. Well, I would like to say that I feel like send up of artists are so usually bad. Yes. This is a great example of like capturing the art scene at the moment. Yeah.

[01:03:56] Like the it's I think it's just well done and it's it's a beautiful like tightrope performance from Catherine O'Hara who like constantly straddles the right side of becoming too irritating while also understanding what's maddening about her to like to Charles, to Lydia.

[01:04:12] But why they wouldn't like throw her out of the house immediately. She literally wears, do you know this? She wears his sweater like as pants in a later scene and I'm like that is so sick and she's like gorgeous and I'm like obsessed.

[01:04:26] Well, and the best piece of characterization for dealia in the movie is the existence of Otho. Like everything you know about need to know about this character comes from the fact that she's that close to her interior designer who like essentially lives with them.

[01:04:39] You know what I noted that like I was like, OK, beautiful. Her lipstick matches his shoes like the first time you see them. I'm like they are a pair. They are like they just know and also also like

[01:04:52] Otho is just like lived a life and I feel like he I mean, RIP. But like what can you imagine a spinoff movie of just Otho and like all of his lives should host a show and HGTV right now right now because I want to live.

[01:05:09] Oh, he's dead. He is dead. Yeah. In this kind of like house. Yes. Like the static he kind of like pebbled sort of like I don't even know what would you call that weird outdoor patio thing that they have that like it looks like a window. Yeah.

[01:05:22] I look like my I look like a modern art museum and half looks like a German expressionist horror film. It's so cool, which is like the the straddling of the lines of like OK, the Maitland's world is like totally normal.

[01:05:33] And the deities come in and starts to become a little timber and heightened, but it's because they are weird artsy people. She's got her glued down curls on the sides of her head like she's so cool. And then you get to the underworld, which is full amazing unbelievable.

[01:05:45] I mean, I assume like obviously she was an SCTV. This is kind of her movie breakout. I'm trying to think if she had done anything because then after this she's in after hours. Oh, right. She's really good in after hours.

[01:05:56] You know, so I guess she'd been in some stuff, but you know and of course when owner Ryder is quite young had done Lucas. She did Lucas and Square Dance. That's it. Right. And this year obviously she also has Heather's which

[01:06:08] yeah, but comes an icon who brings us together as friends in the first place. That's true. Yes. We've talked about it too many times. Too many times. Let's do it one more time. I'm sorry. I'm just looking at her.

[01:06:19] We both love Lydia Deets more than anything or whatever when we were little kids like it was like our first pop culture crush that is that is the shared. Yeah. David and Griffin connection that no other person has ever had. No, never.

[01:06:30] I definitely didn't want to be her and she definitely is not the reason for my internalized racism. But like yeah. Very, very special. Gina Davis is right here with her curly hair. Yeah, but I was like, I don't know if I have a curly hair.

[01:06:42] I don't know if I have a curly hair. I don't know if I have a curly hair. Yeah, but I like I said was a snake girl. So I was like, I am actually Lydia, but I can never get my face or hair to look like that.

[01:06:54] My roommate had a snake too. I will struggle with this for years. And there would always be rats in my freezer. Yeah, same. Yeah. I just sort of like love the sort of like three tears he's working with in this movie, which

[01:07:06] somehow he makes coalesce not only in terms of like the visual aesthetics of the different worlds, but also like the pitch of performance because you have like Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin are being like very naturalistic. Sure. Then you get to like...

[01:07:20] I think they push it a little bit. I think they lean a little bit into like their white toastiness. Sure, sure. But then you have like the Deets is our like mid-level comedy and then you get to the underworld people who are like insane over the top. Yeah.

[01:07:36] And somehow he makes this whole thing like gel. Good. But yes, they see the Deets is moving into their home. They hate this. They want to figure out how to get rid of them. They try spooking them, but they're ghosts. They can't even see them sitting in it.

[01:07:50] You know, the... What's the image that's so good when they're like going through the house and Otho's like spray painting all the walls for what color they're gonna replace it with. She just writes mauve. Right. And then they open up the closet and Gina Davis is hanging there.

[01:08:04] Yeah, a lot of suicide stuff in this movie. Right. And they're both like, oh my God. And you think they're frightened by the dead body and instead it's how garish their clothes are. No, no. It's how small the closet is. Oh right. Right. Like iconic.

[01:08:19] So they realize, oh this isn't working. They can't see us. We're spooking and scaring. I'm standing in Charles' office with my own decapitated head. None of it's working. Yeah. So they read the book. They just had to go meet with someone. They draw the door.

[01:08:32] Which I love that. And I love that then it's physical. Like the bricks still have to like move. You know, it's not just like an animated like boop. Yes. That was one of my things with this movie because I think I like asked my mom was like,

[01:08:43] when did I watch this probably? And she's like probably like seven. I'm like, that's bad. And she's like, I agree. I don't know. When did you first watch it? I think I was eight. Yeah. And I remember seeing it on Comedy Central

[01:08:55] and it like was a late night like showing. Yeah. And I watched the first half of it and my parents were like, you have to go to sleep. And I was losing my mind that it was like, we're going to watch the film. Right.

[01:09:07] Because they were like, well tape it. You can watch the rest tomorrow. And I had to wait 24 hours. The flow, mom. Go to school. Like sit there the whole day. I'm like, when am I going to get my juice? That's what I'm going to get.

[01:09:19] Because the cutoff point where I had to go to sleep is when he emerges from the graveyard. Oh sure. So you're right. We're getting these little glimpses of him. You see the TV commercial after they died which is so funny.

[01:09:32] It's such a good parody of that kind of like local sort of like Huxter commercial. Yeah. He's in his cowboy outfit. Right. He's doing a lot of his. He's looking like a snack, honestly. He's looking like a snack. He is a style icon in this movie.

[01:09:45] And I think because people are so familiar with the iconography of the Stripe suit. The poster has it. Obviously the cartoon had it. The parody it when the guy walks around at Universal Studios. And it's such a classic like Tim Burton thing anyways, the Stripes.

[01:09:59] That's what he calls it. He loves the Stripes. That becomes it. Right. But he wears like 20 different outfits in this movie and all of them are great. And he looks so good. I love. He's got his weird scumbum taxi driver with the duster and his like, yeah.

[01:10:14] His like bad stuffing of like a stomach that is so like you know, like you know that that's not act, you know it looks cheap and like campy and just but he has such charisma. And I also love like how sort of expressionistic

[01:10:30] and theatrical his whole design is because you go like well he's got this like weird hair piece, which he said was his thing. He was like I want big hair right in the scabbing along the hairline and all that stuff which is like really detailed.

[01:10:42] Then his eyes are just dark circles around. They just painted. I mean it's the same as Batman basically just paint dark circles. Right. But they like don't try to make it look like anything other than makeup. They don't try to make it like a cost. Right.

[01:10:57] The stomach is obviously very stuffed. But then he also has the scabbing. The nails are very realistic like it's weird because it's like there's so much makeup. And he touches on his mouth. Right. He's like part like real kind of tangible like monster movie stuff.

[01:11:09] You can't even really tell what he looks like. No that's like his half like kabuki stylization you know and then he's doing this weird like jambalaya of a performance where he's like combining every type of unsavory character in one. Yeah. Oscillating between all these different like voices and.

[01:11:25] I mean should we talk about this profound influence on me as a young person? Sure yeah yeah. I would say Beetlejuice the guy. Okay. So I like had just for sure like real ass like sexual dreams about him. Hardcore. As a young person and it's like truly

[01:11:50] I can think of like the three things that were like hot to me like in a formative way. It is David Bowie and Labyrinth. Uh huh. It is The Little Vampire which is the most desperate for me because I was young. John Columnicki? No The Vampire duh. Okay.

[01:12:06] I'm goth and then my boyfriend in this movie. The Juse. The Juse. And like he and I think it's because I was like why did I like latch onto it so hardcore and I think it's because it's the first depiction of anything any character that I had seen

[01:12:24] who's just so fucking horny. He's really horny. I mean like he is literally a predator and is like constantly sexually assaulting people. Right. He's an eternal demon trying to marry a teenager. Yeah. Yes. And he seems above all else libido driven. Like he wants to get some.

[01:12:40] But I didn't know the difference at the time. I didn't know that it was unwanted. So I was like, yes that is good and I like it and that makes me horny actually. Yes. Well you're a crush monster. Yeah. No it's I can't even I can't even

[01:12:55] describe to you like the own the weird sexual fantasies that happened like from just with me and him. Do you remember how actual like sort of like narrative driven. Yeah. Sexual fantasies. Yeah. And it was like all real crusty, you know.

[01:13:11] And he was just like a funny guy doing it, you know, like his little dances. You know, he's always like kind of dancing. Oh yeah. Did he take good care of you or was he kind of a creep? Well he was the thing is like, okay,

[01:13:22] he's also like starved for attention. Like he. He is. He wants affection. He wants pals kind of. Yeah, which I think I related to slash still do really. I'm like, yeah. He's like when he goes up and he's like mom, dad. He's got that theater kid thing. Yeah.

[01:13:38] And I was like giving, you know, I could like fulfill that for him, you know. And he was still horny all the time. Anyways, it's still very hot to me. Beetlejack. He's very, very like upsetting to know that

[01:13:52] he is truly a predator but it still works for me. I mean it's a bizarre fantasy movie about ghosts. Yeah. And again, he's thousands of hundreds. He's quite old. Hundreds of years old. He's a lot of play go hundred and six, seven. Right.

[01:14:06] I also would like to talk about the influence of this character. Oh yeah. Oh boy. He is very punk. He's so punk. He's anti-establishment. Oh, 100%. Yeah. He plays by his own rules. He tucks his suit, pant, legs into his boots. Yes, he does. He does.

[01:14:25] There's a line where he goes, you like it? And I was like, yeah. I love it. Yes, very much so. And just for me, I saw this as a young kid who was hooked, rewatched it a million times. Me and my friend shout out Joey Beetles. Shout out.

[01:14:42] We'd watch it all the time on the porch. He's one of the ultimate scum bums, this character. He is. He's literally a bum covered in scum. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. Yeah.

[01:14:53] It truly is, I think one of the best comedic performances in the history. I would agree. Here's what I want to say though, what little David liked about this movie. It's like there's like an afterlife with all these rules and like bureaucracy and paper works.

[01:15:06] There's like an office. Okay. I like all the world building. I know. So let's get to the scene. I want to know like what are all the details of how this works. Okay. So we're jumping a little bit. Like Mr. Goose has appeared in the commercial.

[01:15:19] You see his hand trying to lure the bug in so he can eat it. But we're pretty much in Maitland and Deets land, right? They make the door on the wall and they go meet Juno who's their case worker.

[01:15:29] You have this great waiting room that's like full Burton. That was also sexual for me because we have a woman sliced in half. I was like, she's hot. She's really hot. And then reception is also hot. There's just like a lot of sexual energy in this film. Yes.

[01:15:44] I'm not crazy. I say the only thing in this movie that like kind of like scratches a little bit is the joke that if you commit suicide, your punishment is you get stuck in a bureaucratic shop. Which is the implication is what happened to Beetlejuice. Civil service. Right.

[01:15:58] The animated series. Yes. Oh. Or whatever. Yes. No, you still have that one. Okay. You have one left only in the musical column. But right. Like isn't that the imp... Because he was an employee of Juno's. He was her Juno's assistant. Right.

[01:16:13] I think I read that he was like, that he tried to hang himself, got drunk and like couldn't do it right. And then just like didn't, you know, it didn't like... It didn't go. Yeah. And it was, he died like a slow, very painful, gross death.

[01:16:28] Yeah, that seems about right. Yeah. Which also makes me be like, oh, I said it. Okay. In what context? Go on. Finish the sentence. No. Him. Just like, do you want to talk? This is my little young savior complex. Rebecca, I have very bad news for you.

[01:16:48] Oh no. Did I lose? I think my name's three times. It was my plan all along because now he will come and sweep me off my feet. That doesn't seem that bad to say the name is more than once.

[01:17:02] Well, let's see what happens if another trio is completed. But you get all these amazing visual gags. Yeah. Rebecca was just doing something funny with the cord in her nose. Guys, I'm a physical meat comedian just like Michael Keaton. Got a genuine laugh out of me.

[01:17:20] She was making her nose smushed with the microphone cord. You get these amazing sort of single panel comic gags of seeing how everyone died. There's the camper still in his sleeping bag with the rattlesnake.

[01:17:36] There's the dude who was at a fried chicken restaurant and the bonus stuck in his throat. It's so colorful. It looks like, it's so, it's funny because it's morbid, funny, whatever, blah, but it's so colorful and so tactile for a child.

[01:17:51] This is when the German expressionist influence comes in really big. Burton is very influenced by the cabinet of Dr. Caligari and these crazy angles and mad lighting and day glow colors even though I know that movie Black and White. Day O colors. Day O colors.

[01:18:06] But they want answers and they find out very quickly. Here are the bureaucratic rules. You're only allowed to meet with your case worker three times. Your entire eternity. Yeah. You're gonna sound like this is stupid. You've only been dead for like three months and already. Right.

[01:18:20] They're almost frustrated. White people for you. They're like, can I talk to the manager? Can I butt to the head of the line? Actually. There is one logic app which I totally give this movie. Like I'm not going to be a stickler about this.

[01:18:31] You're going to give it a break but you notice that. Everyone else in this universe is visually affected by the way that they died and the Maitlands are bone dry. Yeah. Oh, you think that they should be wet? I'm not saying they should.

[01:18:41] I know Ben would prefer it. Oh, that's true. Here's my. You want some present? Here's my thing against that. I have an actual plausible argument. The wetness on the outside of their body is not what killed them. Their lungs might be full of liquid.

[01:18:56] Liquid, but you know they actually, they drowned. It's a sort of a, I assume that's one, that's what Burton would say. Well, I drown. Then when they pulled their heads off, there should be a little slosh coming out. Look, the movie didn't have that high a budget.

[01:19:10] They didn't have a slosh to budget. I don't know. Ben is like in the studio meeting, he's like, what's our slosh budget? Negotiating the deal. Do you have any slosh funds? Five comedy points.

[01:19:22] I think that they were like, I think they were going to, they considered having them wet, but then it was like, that would be really uncomfortable. I think so too. And it would just, it would be really hard to film to have to wet them down before

[01:19:32] every single take. But also quite sexual. Also, like can you imagine that bouncy Baldwin hair just sticking to the sides of his face? You know? Yeah, he's got the little, the little trusty little... He's like all...

[01:19:44] The other thing I love is that I'm realizing how much like Alec Baldwin has rocked in my like perpetually wearing a baseball cap and round glasses look in this movie. It's good. Which you are now. Or whether I am now rocking his Beetlejuice look. But, and... No.

[01:19:59] Hold on one here. I got two. He thought he'd kept rolling along. The title. Tally. What's going to happen? I do think one of the big comedic conceits of the movie is despite them being the ghosts

[01:20:13] They're the supernatural creatures and they very quickly become the most normal looking things in the movie Yeah, house becomes so stylized the deets is are so stylized their world is so stylized So they're freaking goth and they're just like normal core

[01:20:26] But this Juno scene is great Sylvia Sydney who was an old Hollywood actress. Yep. She's amazing. I love her Unbelievable she has a slit throat. She's chain smoking. I love how you don't see that until later

[01:20:36] You're like, wow, it's a really subtle like this is when he still had a very light touch Burton And was just like I'm gonna let you notice this at your own pace. I'm not gonna cut to a core

[01:20:46] Dark shadows which we'll get to and he's also about a weird pale guy who's like a sort of man out of time I guess and his hyper sexual Yeah, yeah is is like right that is the perfect contrast for like where did Tim Burton go wrong?

[01:21:01] This versus dark shadow right where you're like why dark shadows is so obvious with everything It's so like flat and like yeah the design of it is so sort of like Despairingly boring. I don't know and this movie has weird emotional weight to it

[01:21:15] Like you actually feel for like what the maitlands are going through Lydia as much as she's just sort of you know Like a sad mopey girl. It's like her pathos is so strong and so genuine

[01:21:25] She's so sort of morbid that you feel bad for her. You feel bad for Charles I think I used to and now when I rewatched for this. I was like Shut oh Like I think it's I think I I get it

[01:21:41] But I think she is also playing it so over the top so that we can't be like, oh god, you know young people Yeah, it's right a young girl in a in a phase. No one understands me

[01:21:52] Yeah, especially if she just opens up her eyes and notices that dealia is really cool And is probably into the same that's a thing. She's probably into the same shit that Lydia isn't too

[01:22:04] Right. Well, there's a connection to be made there, but she's a teenager right her mother's mom's dad Yeah, they say there's one doorway line. Yeah, I forgot Okay, I feel her mom is dead. She's in perpetual mourning. Yeah, her dad is utterly alone Yada yada

[01:22:20] And and she is she's obsessed with the darkness she is and she it's almost she's almost nonchalant about how she can see these ghosts Yes, oh that reminds me of my favorite thing that I forgot Where they're like, I think we're

[01:22:36] Ghosts like they've never heard of ghosts before good good good ghost It's I'm like, are you stupid? You know what I'm talking about. It's like early when they die Yes, pretty funny. Anyways, go on uh

[01:22:49] No, the soviet sygnesian is great and uh, you get you get the like Just the really nice touches a world building when they're going through the hallway to try to meet with her And they find the room for the lost souls

[01:23:00] And it's like death for the dead and that thing is like actually upsetting The movie is profoundly upset. Yeah, like if you dwell on certain aspects, especially I think if you're younger and you're sort of like Death obsessed like probably all of us

[01:23:15] Right, you could just sort of like watch it have a good time not worry about it Yeah, but if yeah, you know if you think about some of the the corners of this movie never leave the house And there's so much that like totally

[01:23:27] 25 years and there's some like there's some sort of a time limit There's a lot of stuff that like went over my head as a young person like when she the receptionist is like

[01:23:33] Oh, my like like happy my little accident. I was like, I don't get how she died Like she's pretty handcuffs were too tight. Yeah Um I just love the world building stuff I'm pretty no and I like how like the the juneau scene is so quick

[01:23:54] Like once she enters she just starts sort of ranting and raving to them in this room that they don't recognize And as she's walking through it, they come to realize that is their home that's been renovated They've been in this waiting room for months and months and months

[01:24:07] And it's freaking. I mean that Interior design man, right otho done did it, you know, like rushed Oh, they crushed it. I love everything. Oh, that was so good really Glen shatties Yeah, Lydia's room with the ship lap the painted ship lap. Oh, so good

[01:24:27] So the house the house is amazing But but the mailons have a very simple very specific aesthetic and there's a clash All they still have is their attic right because that's locked although lydia has the skeleton key

[01:24:39] Parents don't know so they still have their model which is all they care about the end of the day They're a little model town They are weird. They're weird. The mailons are weird. Yes. I guess it's that they could be free to the sheeps

[01:24:52] Right, right. Yeah, right. Um, it's one of the few times he doesn't demonize The normal people for being weird. Do you know what i'm saying? Like he just thinks they're weird too It's like oh, they're upsetting which is sort of my problem with edwards sister hands

[01:25:06] Which I don't love as much as this movie I like it a lot, but right with that there that where i'm sort of like the fable kind of aspect of it

[01:25:13] I'm like, I get it. I mean like people just kind of love everyone. I'm referring to some other bullshit. I don't know The musical that you haven't seen yet. Yeah, exactly There really isn't a character that I don't

[01:25:26] Love in this movie and sympathize with in some right. I mean like I think they're all Robert Goulet Yes, he's a jerk It's one of these most two where it's like Tim Burton was in these early stages assembling such a good like rep company

[01:25:41] Of like really good comedic character actors. Yeah Um, and it's just everyone's fun. Every part is fun Um, he's letting people really kind of go wild in these roles But but they ask Juno at the end of the thing. What about this uh, this beetle and she

[01:25:59] Don't say his name don't say his name three times. She gives a very stern warning He used to be my assistant went off the handle Now can serve some self a bio exorcist, which I think is just such a cool term. Very cool term. Yes

[01:26:11] But what are the rules of how has he been banished? Where is he living in her model? Well, I know that but like What are the rules of him? I think he's moldy because he's under the

[01:26:24] He is moldy. Yes. He's a moldy guy. Yeah, but like was he specifically banished to a specific it doesn't matter I think I don't know what like realm he's in. No, I know that I get that

[01:26:35] I feel like he's like like interstellar like in the book case like he's able to communicate like through the tv He's able to be in the model. He's sort of in untethered. How did he get to this zone? I guess I guess he just sort of is

[01:26:45] Juno banished him Right, that's the zone. He's in and only someone can choose to release him and she tries to work But he can film tv commercials. I mean he can like Put the word out

[01:26:58] Yes, yeah, so in like the musical is he like on twitter? Is that the probably we haven't seen He's like I mean I've referred to it a lot. So pretty sure Two times Oh, what he'd be like

[01:27:10] Uh, he'd like tweet the denny's twitter and be like you up and then they'd like interact Exactly and he'd be like actually the denny's twitter is funny And then you'd be like he at tweets porn stars alone

[01:27:22] Yeah, you know those twitter accounts where you like look up someone's like at tweets And it's like all them being like love those photos anymore. But guys would he follow me? Oh my god The b-man I hope

[01:27:34] Yes, 100% he would follow you. Yeah, yeah, he would have a podcast. Would he not? And he'd be like, hey, what's up Fuckers And he'd chew on bugs He bugs on mic. He's definitely part of the dirtbag left, right? Yeah, that's right. He'd be on

[01:27:51] Come town or whatever. I don't know one of these things. Yeah And he'd be like, eh, I like the name Me too Fun. It's not coming. Yeah. He loves and he comes dry scabs. So, uh, june disappears. They're now in their house Months later Lost him

[01:28:11] Oh, yeah, they're all gone a little long a few had come back and They chose to walk outside and be devoured by sandworms rather than listen to the rest of this episode Uh, it's okay. They're just not got

[01:28:24] Yeah, no, no, they're not edgy enough. I'm sure there are goth listeners Tweet in if you're a goth listener. Yes, definitely. Or if you went through a goth phase tweet us photos of you and your Lydia face And if you're goth lettik also

[01:28:37] Goth lettik? What does goth lettik mean? It sounds exactly like what it is. It's like goth clothes that's like athletic clothes It's like drapey, but it's like mesh. Okay. So wait, but confirmed or unconfirmed that key in like

[01:28:51] Improvised most of this improvise certainly improvised plenty of his sort of monologue. I'm sure he was throwing things in right? You know, that's his thing right I mean, I you know there's obviously a character written

[01:29:01] But I think it was more of a traditional kind of schmoozer guy and I think he just kind of went off see and that makes me think That he's a little weirdo. He's definitely weird. Oh, yeah, he's definitely weird. I want to come That's fun. Yeah

[01:29:15] Um, but so they're back in the house now now they have some tips and tricks Their first move is let's let's use the sheets hilarious Um, she uh, Lydia is in her room. She hears the ghost trying to fucking on her parents right?

[01:29:28] She thinks it's them fucking but it's in fact the ghost she can hear them And they're like you can see us And she's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, I myself am strange and unusual

[01:29:38] A line that like made all our hearts grow three sizes when we saw this as children And now I'm like get over it. She's teamed up with the ghost and she's like I hate my parents too Like I'll help you with this fucking thing um

[01:29:53] So so now they're like united and trying to make this uh, this this thing happen, but but uh Nothing's totally working. No Um, and that's another great thing about dealia that I love is like she ain't scared no ghosts

[01:30:08] No, like they're like going up to the attic and she's like, okay ghost Yeah, she sees them as like sort of a nuisance like yeah, you know a bug infestation Um, jeffrey jones basically sees them as like a marketing opportunity

[01:30:20] Yeah, well this comes later because Lydia is telling them about the ghost stuff and they're like you're ridiculous What are you talking about showing them the photos? I can't believe you cut holes in the sheets Like all this sort of stuff

[01:30:31] And then they're like we need to put on a big show to like really make our mark Right. So I do think that charles is like not a bad dad. No, no

[01:30:39] It's a little detached. I think he's like fine, but I also there were sad things the commentary on him is so pointed Where it's like here's this guy who is like very successful as like a developer, right?

[01:30:49] Oh, that seems so funny where he looks. He's like bad roof or good parking, right? He like immediately is like I'm out. I just want to be relaxed. I want to be in the country

[01:30:58] I want to be away from my career and he just sits in a chair He's fetishizing calm, but he actually cannot be the second he picks up binoculars

[01:31:06] He's looking at the town. He's seeing the value how you could develop it like he can't become there too many fucking Subscription flyers in the magazine, right? That's a funny scene. Yes

[01:31:16] Um, but they have the dinner party, right? So they don't believe the ghost thing that it keeps on going on and on about Which is when uh dealia says my favorite line reading in the entire film kids. I love them

[01:31:28] Which that's the oscar alone. Yeah, she's my oscar winner. That's no, that's a really cool opinion For sure. I yeah, I don't know if winona is like A supporting or lead character But to me i'm nominating her for heathers anyway. So like she's in lead over there

[01:31:43] I don't know and then and then keaton gets by supporting it. Yeah I have a ballot for 1988. Don't think I don't yeah I do yeah I mean I I see that line reading but I raise you uh, I mean post dinner or post dance catheter

[01:32:01] Herra's like who has more fun than us? So funny. She is so so good She's got home alone kind of around the corner like she's she's she's ruling the school. Yeah, she becomes like a big

[01:32:15] Studio comedy star. Yeah, like without being a leading lady unfairly never gets her shot at being a leading lady She becomes like a big You know second or third lead actor and then I'm there being like jenice my stepmom be here for halloween

[01:32:28] She's 34 in this movie. Yeah, right? So she I guess I mean a ctv like you know She took a while to break into movies Yeah, and she always like you know, she got hired on snl and was there for a week and was like

[01:32:38] I don't like this environment and quit which is so sad. She always was kind of like I only work with people I like I do my shit right right She marries bow welch after this movie cute is the production designer of this film

[01:32:49] Who's like responsible for a lot of the formation of the burt and aesthetic a genius Uh burt wanted anton first who will work with on batman I guess anton first was busy with something. He was committed to like another thing

[01:33:01] Yeah, um, but bow welch the director of captain the hat obviously we stand bow welch. We stand for a legend directed I believe maybe two episodes of the war burton tech Uh, let's see. Uh, yes two episodes. Thank you works with sonnenfeld Are you on the back?

[01:33:21] Yeah, he works on men in black. I mean he's amazing He's directed some of those series of unfortunate events, which is another sonnenfeld project, right? Yes. Yes. Yes Um, do you like that show? I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it either. Yeah

[01:33:36] But uh doesn't even get nominated for an oscar, which is like insane absurd insane only gets it wins one oscar for Costume makeup. Yeah. Oh certainly a deserved win. I mean this should have gotten every like Score this should have like 10 our direction costume

[01:33:56] To support a cast it looks amazing. It's got a great score and it was a very popular film at the time It was well received, but I think it came out in march, which probably it had faded a bit or

[01:34:06] April 1st a bit, you know, I had probably faded a little bit But I think I mean this movie was sort of a mini phenomenon because it was like here's this fully Realized vision that came out of nowhere, right? Like here's this like perfect formed object

[01:34:19] That feels like it's tapping into all these things that were sort of like unspoken in the culture Him sort of meshing together all these different elements of pop culture and artistic styles and everything Right

[01:34:30] And and this is the scene where like the whole thing crystallizes and becomes sublime and you're just like This is the most exciting comedy director alive. Yeah is the dayo sequence. Yeah, we're really like how do you how do you feel about it?

[01:34:40] It's it's perfect. It's perfect. It's going. Yeah Who would think to do this that's the thing where you just go like how do you have this idea? Yeah, it's like it's like a it's such a weird even just like a sample

[01:34:52] Well hold up guys. You know that banana boat song from the 50s Harry Bel Fonte, right? Right you're like winding up that now they're going to have their biggest scare and then the scare is they lip sync a very well choreographed number and for me it's like

[01:35:06] And Dick Cavett is there. Yeah Dick Cavett, Robert Cooley Like this is his like child of tv stuff where he's like Bringing in all these guys he grew up on you know in the way he wishes

[01:35:16] Sammy Davis jr. Was in the movie. I think this scene is what like cements it as like Oh, this is a movie for me because like I will love anything with any dance sequence in it You know, so it's like the fact that it's already

[01:35:29] hot and funny and You know cool to look at and blah blah and then we're doing a little dance Okay, yes who who made this dream movie for young rebecca and then the shrimp turns into demon hand Right

[01:35:45] Shrimpies do look like little demons. They do and everyone in this scene is doing Such a good performance of being super possessed. Oh, yeah, my new catchphrase Yeah dancing excitedly and with their eyes looking terrified about what's going on like they can't stop it

[01:36:01] Well, like the best that always made me laugh so much and is one of those like images That's ingrained in my brain is now, you know, okay pedophile. Yes, but when he goes black tarantula

[01:36:11] Yeah, that's the funniest thing so funny and like Otho turning the ice bucket into like a drum I want to watch it right now Even though I watched this movie the other day and like I've seen it several times

[01:36:22] I want to watch the move the sequence are describing There's like the hip cynical sort of like Art scene woman with the big bow in her hair and she looks so good. She looks so cool She's like a famous costume designer

[01:36:33] Yeah, I tell lots right who was my friend's mom growing up. She was not did she stop being an actress Yeah, no, she's not I've been known. She's like a costume designer. Yeah, she's got a great luck

[01:36:44] But I like knew my friend's mom. She lived in the neighborhood I'd go over their house after school all the time and then I saw this movie when I was like eight or nine

[01:36:54] And was like this is the best fucking thing and then when my friend's mom shows up I was like How did nobody tell me?

[01:37:01] This whole time and my parents were like you didn't even know this movie existed. We weren't hiding anything from you sound like a calm child I was a very calm child. Yes mother It's just part of that best thing um

[01:37:13] All of those looks too all of the costume like for the women, I mean specifically Are really great. I mean you've got that span weird spandexy like gold on The blonde lady. What's her fucking name? Can't remember Oh

[01:37:28] It's like a sort of two piece thing. Like I don't know it looks it's so good. I think her name is um, like What is it? Is it I don't remember. There's a bunch. I'm looking at the act. She's just very bronze. The whole thing

[01:37:40] It's all great. She's the one who says like I didn't even know I could do the calypso or whatever Susan kellerman Now the reason everyone came over for dinner is that jeffrey jones has called them and said like I can develop this town

[01:37:51] They don't know what they're sitting on right So he's trying to pitch them on this thing and they're like charles just relax be retired. We don't care about any of this They were just looking to have some fun. Yeah, right once the ghost thing happens

[01:38:03] Everyone latches onto this as a business idea like what if this is like a theme park town? Yes So they send lydia to like go get the ghosts, right? And of course the ghosts are bummed out because you know their awesome

[01:38:14] Thing didn't work right it didn't scare the performance was too good. Right honestly Too enjoyable. So now desperate times call for desperate measures. They call in the big guy They say the name three times they get shrunk down to the graveyard of their model and

[01:38:31] Keaton just throws straight heat for five minutes. Yeah, he just throws straight heat It's banger after banger after banger costume. Welcome kmart Shoppers grope after grope. Yeah, I love he just wants to touch an ass. Yes He's like

[01:38:47] Constantly and the end the bit when he changes into the exact version of what Adam 8land is wearing and acts like they're her own. Oh my god. That's so funny

[01:38:57] Yeah, and he keeps on trying to like end every note with like right right right and then kiss jina davis He's got this physicality to him where I feel like it's just his body is so his butt is kind of

[01:39:08] His butt's always out and he's kind of like Ended belly. Yeah, he moves like an animated character in the way that like in a looney tune you can have buzz Buzz bugs bunny be in one extreme position

[01:39:19] And then immediately switch to a different position without the movement in between and he moves so fast that he's just like going from Like one extreme pose to another and he does it with such charisma. Truly. He's so charming

[01:39:30] He's so charming and it looks like he doesn't have bones kind of yeah Like he's just like a He doesn't have bones and he has too many bones like it's somehow like he's bending only in the wrong places

[01:39:42] one of my favorite like physical things from him is when he's uh distracted by the The like the inferno room the strip club and he's like He does his weird crotch dances. Yeah, literally that dance to this the strip club is

[01:39:57] Make me laugh so hard and I and i'm like he's he's horny. He's ready to go They they unleash him. He turns into a amazing stop motion snake man. Yeah, he's like I'm a snake. Yep. He doesn't say that's cool and scary. Yeah terrorizing everybody

[01:40:12] Uh, they uh, they they send him back. They realize that they can't control him. He's too much I know it all happens so fast. It does it work. It doesn't work out immediately. No, right? No, so they've tried it on their own

[01:40:26] The people find it too entertaining right. They've tried letting the juice Mr. B letting juice go on the loose sure the goose with the moose. Yes, sure All true. I also just love that he said he calls everyone babe a lot. It's cool

[01:40:41] So now that's exactly I want to start doing that because that'd be my new thing where I'm like, hey, babe Does it work? I think you could pull it off. I think there's a lot of people who cannot pull that off

[01:40:51] David seems to not think I can pull it off. He thinks it's bad I can pull it off. I think you can pull it off. I think you can We can pull a lot of stuff off Hey babe

[01:41:04] Nope, actually physically upset. I had a bad visceral reaction to you saying man, I love you Um, but but the uh the goose himself is vanquished by juneau right they get sent back and she's like, what did I fucking tell you guys? She's mad. Furious

[01:41:23] They're breaking all the rules. Um, I forgot Like a couple of my favorite visual gags in the movie. I love the guy in the office who's been flattened by the trucks So funny

[01:41:33] Who's on the conveyor belt going through the slats on the wall? What's this joke? He's like, how you doing fine? Whatever like I feel flat myself Yeah, um That's that's like Burton defined like right he will go that far to make that lema joke

[01:41:49] You know what I mean? Like that is what Tim Burton's deal is Right that level of like this complicated makeup effect like a joke that like would like it's to be on like the lorraine's welk show

[01:41:58] Or lame like I can't tell right that's like it's his weird combination of like growing up on like weird 70s variety shows and also growing up on like val luten horror movies And he puts them all in the same zone at the same time

[01:42:12] Um, but but juneau is now like so stressed out because she's got to deal with these fucking football players who don't know they're dead They were on calling her coach. They were so cute to me

[01:42:20] I always thought that was really cute like coach. Where's the bathroom? There's that amazing gag where like through her window There's like the black light waiting room of people watching them. It looks like they're like the audience of a movie theater

[01:42:32] Um, and at first you think there is still photo, but she just makes it clear them like this this cannot be you cannot Work harder. Yes Uh, and because then is that when he steals the book otho is that when he steals? Yes. Yes, because they're gone

[01:42:49] Um, uh, lydia is so despondent that she decides that she's gonna kill herself because she likes them She hates her parents. Yeah, she doesn't get that means that's going to doom her to a life of like municipal work Right, right. Yes and because the

[01:43:07] Guy who is the title of the movie Because the that was just a little peek into what the musical is gonna sound like because He because he is like

[01:43:21] He's there like tanning and he he warns her right doesn't he say like hey, don't right? Yeah, which means um actually good guy Yeah, I mean he's got one Just that uh, that's like the big weight

[01:43:34] Listen my standards are so low. I'm just like who will date me Someone who tells me not to commit suicide nice Right because they don't Resummon him until they do the uh, she resummons. Yeah, I'm saying until until otho is doing the the

[01:43:52] Correct. Yeah, he's been vanquished. Otho has gotten the book. They've broken in they found the model because he was a paranormal Expert at right some point in his life lydia's despondent and they come out with their scary heads

[01:44:05] Right. We worked harder another amazing like Burton visual very frightening He loves his conical, you know, his sort of dog shape You know that that weird

[01:44:16] When he does interviews now he talks about how he can't watch this or pee we because the stop motion effects looks so hokey And what was incredible? It's a huge bummer that you just told me it's the biggest bummer in the world

[01:44:29] That explains everything that is bad about him, right? Right because you watch this and you're like he's not trying to make things Look realistic. He's creating his own visual style. Yeah, and then he looks at it

[01:44:39] And he's like this is a bad execution of what I wanted to be doing because of the limitations of technology And it's like he should still be doing stop motion in live action movies

[01:44:48] I mean, i'm not going to tell the guy how to live his life and maybe yeah, maybe he sees and he's like god I wish I had CGI back then but i'm i'm glad he didn't but the weird herky jerky

[01:44:57] Quality to like when they're transforming their faces and sticking their hands and their skulls and everything it like adds comedy to it It's also just like what the whole thing that like that tactile thing like it's the same things that burn in my memory of like them digging

[01:45:11] Into like the cardboard like to get you know all of these Very textural right? Yes. It's a very textural movie. Yeah Also wait the the the face that he makes when he when he when ellie called when put it back

[01:45:27] Still got the serenade no when he but when they go in and he has his glasses and he uses his fingers with the eyes So look through the glasses look at her. That's very funny. Especially. She has too many eyes

[01:45:37] I also love that when he's talking with his transformed face the mouth sort of like flaps like a puppet Right and when she's talking with her wide open mouth the mouth stays wide open But the tongue just sort of moves a little bit it like curls and uncurls

[01:45:51] Um, but they decide like maybe maybe it's better if we all just find a way to live together peacefully They go they stop lydia from killing herself. They tell her like please we would give anything to be alive

[01:46:02] You know, don't make a mistake your regret for for centuries. We're gonna all work together We're gonna come to some sort of agreement what they don't realize it as the deeds has become craven They want to commercialize the maitlands make them their dancing monkeys. Yeah, listen

[01:46:15] They're working so they hold the what they think is a seance, but it's really like an exorcism or something right? Like it's right They think they're going to like but it makes them crumble in their their wedding clothes

[01:46:25] You're killing them. Yeah, they're already dead and this is so sad Gina turning into a skeleton and then kind of like lovingly like holding each other and accepting their fate Um, they at least get to die again together. Even delia at that point is like, okay, stop

[01:46:42] Yeah, this is too much and otho himself is also like I don't know how to Yeah, quickly is like, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, it's out of this And this is one of those things where you think like in a practical era

[01:46:53] This one scene must have taken like eight days to shoot Because every time they cut back to the maitlands and they're more decayed. That's an entirely different makeup application

[01:47:02] God, you know, like that's like a different four hour makeup application just for them to gaze at each other like Right, it's like the american werewolf in london transformation where it's like each of those shots took like eight hours to set up

[01:47:14] That stresses me out. I want to do it. Yeah, put me in a movie That's like tim burton's like but lidia is like hail mary pass cgi dumbo

[01:47:22] Hail mary pass. There's only one way I know how to say you gotta bring him in you got to bring in the goose Uh, and one of one of the weirdest qualities of this movie is that his name is spelled betl We didn't stipulate if we could say

[01:47:40] beetle guys I think we can We want you can say it three times rebecca you have one Um, but the movie is titled after the weird phonetic way that he tries to get lidia to guess his name

[01:47:55] Yeah, which then becomes like how the name has written up in history And then the funniest thing where he like he's like And then there's the beetle. He's like, hey, how are you? That guy is hilarious But also all that like beetle beetle drink beetle breakfast

[01:48:12] You idiot lidia come on and eat some steaks. You know some uh some tension here, you know, I understand I understand right but but this is like here He's coming in with with his bd like his big dick energy his bje, right?

[01:48:27] Sure because from the moment she like comes to the board and he's sitting on the the tombstone He's filing his nails. He knows he's got the suit on Yeah, he knows you've got it going on gets her to guess it and then he does his it's show time

[01:48:40] And america has changed forever And then you're like cool Uh, I'm wet right beam ramps up here. He is as a carnival barker. Sure. Yes. Like an amazing amazing visual Him slowly being raised like lit from underneath all the smoke in the room his inflating arms

[01:49:00] Yeah, that's he does his whole thing and then he's out of the suit Right. He's because he's in that prom suit For the wedding right he says like he he's cute in the suit for that

[01:49:10] Suit better, but you're right. You're saying like that's the extent of the stripy suit Right. He's in the suit They just look so getting Lydia to guess it then he's in a variation of the suit when he's in his carnival barker mode

[01:49:20] With like his spinning like top head And then he's back in the suit for half a second when he has his line where he's like And that's why I don't do two shows a night anymore. I can't do it

[01:49:30] Oh, also when he's doing the when it's coming up the you know, the carnival thing the top of it has the little jack Little jackskellington guy little face Um, but he of course had made the deal with with lydia. He'd help her picket me and read

[01:49:45] And I was like she's dumb for not liking this But then he immediately changes into his his beautiful prom tux To make her an honest woman. Yeah The uh the fireplace turns into like weird caligari door. Yeah, there's the weird minister

[01:50:01] Creature this also is why whenever I would play is that tony cox? It is correct. Tony cox of bat santa fame Is the minister bat santa? He's a naughty guy. Uh, he's a real bad. He's real bad No, when I would play mash as a small child

[01:50:15] I would always be like um and my wedding dress is going to be red because of this because her dress is red I mean she looks terrific. It's a great

[01:50:24] Yeah, um, but I like this is now like the the dramatic tension of the movie is how do we stop the wedding Just ride a snake and eat him. Yeah very easy. Yeah, right

[01:50:35] His whole process of like stopping them from saying the name the bit with the metal plate on her face I love the metal plate. Yes. That's my favorite. Yeah And she's like trying to pry it off

[01:50:46] Uh bald when driving the car around and trying to like hit his feet like all that shit is great until Barbara gets, uh, you know vanished and rides in on a saint worm and saves the day

[01:50:56] And then she's the uh, of course as we all knew would pretty cool to uh queen of dragons Yes, I see Bekah sir told her ahead and gave me a look like I did it Uh, yeah

[01:51:13] To all the bros out there. Uh, yeah, I've watched game of thrones. Wow. So I'm uh sexually viable And to all the bros out there. I have still yet to ever watch an episode of game of thrones

[01:51:23] I'm bored honestly, but let's get it over with. Um, no, but this I mean, it's just it's fucking great Crazy Feminism feminism because she saves the day. Yes. Yes. Yes. Sure. Sure. The sand worm is also a woman

[01:51:37] Yes, sand worm is a woman. Obviously. Sandworm is definitely a woman. She like has lipstick on Yeah Yeah I love that my second favorite sequences right after this. What do you love? Delia sculptures that have been so like

[01:51:49] She doesn't want to be killed by her art. Right. Yeah, come yes become level because I need the witnesses. What is she saying earlier in the movie? She's like my art is dangerous Me too. My art is also dangerous. Yep

[01:52:00] But I like that once like the day is saved everyone can see everyone now There's that moment where they all kind of look at each other right and they're like, I can maybe make this work Right

[01:52:09] Uh, and then you cut ahead to the best domestic setup in history He's reading the he's reading the book how to what is it a guide to like co-parenting your yeah, yeah with

[01:52:20] It's with dead people. I don't know what it is, but it's something like Delia frightens him with the sculpture So funny Um She's on the the the cover of art in america. She got it. She did it

[01:52:33] As she should and the mate lens are like her tutors right. She got an a on math Yeah, so she gets to do a little fly I got an a Jumping the line. Yeah. Yeah. I love all this It's just so much fun. Yeah beetle jays

[01:52:47] I said beetle jay. I know it's just reaching for my book and getting close uh head gets runk Oh, good Just a little a little goose for the road They give you just a little goose for the road in the waiting room. I love just grabs the leg

[01:53:00] The well yeah grabs the leg of the the cutting out magicians assistant for you But also the bit him thinking that he can pull off the bait and switch with the numbers

[01:53:10] Just know that shot of just like the guy's hand just still in that position. He just throws He doesn't even put it in his head. He just tosses it towards him. Yep. I laughed so hard

[01:53:19] And then he immediately goes like let me see where I owe up next Like immediately calls attention to it. He's funny. He's so funny I want to date him and then he gets his nice little frankenhead. He's like wait

[01:53:31] I was gonna be a good look for me. Yeah, they never made a sequel Uh, they had a sequel premise. They asked her if you want to do one He said I would love to Here's the premise because

[01:53:42] Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian which I want to watch that so bad. He just thinks it's funny. He said I think so too He said like I've set up this aesthetic

[01:53:49] What's the weirdest thing I could add to the universe in contrast and he was like the absolute opposite of german expressionist horror films Is franke valley beach movies. I mean imagine him in a hawaiian shirt. Cute

[01:53:59] That was it was somehow beetle juice had to like oh jesus christ Um, that's the character once uh the man himself the ghost with the most Had to like scare off developers in order to save the beach or something

[01:54:13] That's right. It was like a beach blanket bingo thing. Oh my god. Can you imagine it though? Like visually? It's like scooby-doo. It would have been unbelievable But also no one ever cracked this island Yeah, uh

[01:54:24] It will never get made because it's owned by the geffen film company And then right and then more recently water brothers hired sephirium smith A writer of dark shadows and other things and both Burton and kino said that they would like to do it

[01:54:36] If they got the script that worked they've been talking about it. Winona has also said like i'm down Yeah, I mean, I don't know and keen's obviously like a viable movie star again now I feel like a yes

[01:54:49] Counterpoint. Yes counterpoint. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean the only times that I've like Tangibly that I'm like I'm so attracted to my cookie and is like this movie and spotlight like it. That's where it goes Not not first lane at all other guys though So good

[01:55:05] He's like I got a job and in and in beetle juice. He's like I got a job He does have a job in the spotlight But the thing is with it with the beetle juice like sequel though Okay, that's the only time

[01:55:17] I think we've all said it like 50 times now not me. I got a clean slate. No, no, but I don't know how they do a sequel without him like being Uh like a predator And trying to make it you know

[01:55:30] And this is what I've heard about the musical and especially in a post animated zone. It's like the problem is if you Actually continue the story and play up how creepy it is Yeah, it's upsetting

[01:55:42] But apparently the musical has kind of sanitized him where you're like wait, is he supposed to be a threat? I want him to be horned. It's been 30 years. Yeah, you know, you can't quite do the old Uh character. Let's play the box office game

[01:55:58] Yeah, it's just crazy to think that Warner Brothers watches this movie and goes like oh, that's who should make batman Wait, can I just tell you especially because he's made two pure comedies already on like already on the batman train

[01:56:10] By the time this movie. I don't think it'd even come out yet. They were so happy with the results. Yeah Yeah, it's crazy. It's totally not becau. What do you do? I just want to tell you my last note that I have on here

[01:56:20] It's just it's that beetle juice is confident That's what it is big dick energy. It's that he's confident boy. Yeah, I aspire Which is why the movie opened number one on april 1st 1988

[01:56:33] Or are they kidding when they open on april first? Oh, you're a good point. Oh my god That was funny. How do I know this entire box office game isn't some goof? Uh, can you tell me the domestic gross of bj

[01:56:48] 80 73. Yeah adjusted. That's 163. Yeah big hit number one number two What did it open with eight million? Yeah, it's all it open Um a film from a very big director based on a play Starring a cute

[01:57:05] Actor of the 80s. I like those. Are they young? Yeah a child. No Like a a young man Starting a young man who's cute. It's based on a play. It was the first time the play had been adapted for the screen Oh, yeah well 100%

[01:57:24] They're just not a very famous play a very famous play. Was it a recent play at that time or was it a classic play that was finally Making it to the big screen That is a good question that I will answer for you

[01:57:35] I want to know who this cute boy is soon and the answer is coming It had premiered on broadway three years earlier. So it was a new play New play cute boy very famous director. It's also these

[01:57:49] It's the second it's true. It's the second play in a trilogy Is it a neil simon? Correct. Is it biloxi? Biloxi blues and who's the star that cutie maddie browdrick and who's the director? Uh mike nickles correct. Yeah, we love mike nickles. Um sure Biloxi blues

[01:58:09] Shout out my mom. Yeah Uh, yeah, biloxi blues kind of a hit. Yeah kind of a hit As as ben says he's got a big kiss on the cheek kiss on the cheek Um number three. Uh-huh another adaptation of a seminal eighties work a novel

[01:58:26] Big eighties now starring another cute boy of the eighties not less than zero is it? No, but you're you know You're sort of in the zone bright lights big city mcgill mickey j bingo

[01:58:38] Mickey j fox directed by james bridges what like new york is like big big. Oh, yeah that movie is rough Yeah, uh, but he was on this run like people forget that like the four or five michael j fox movies after back to the future

[01:58:52] All were big hits the secret of my success did really well a movie that no one will ever watch ever again Uh, what if I watch it tonight? Go ahead and you have called my bluff

[01:59:03] Number four, uh is a reissue of an animated film. Uh disney picture. Yes. Oh, we got so excited Here's 1988 this animated film at this point Um, let's see when when I'm trying to find when it's like original. Yeah, that would help me

[01:59:22] Is it a princess picture? This animated film is seven years old not a princess. It's not a princess picture It's only seven years old You know, we're still in the sort of the nascent vhs era. So you'd still bring your movie back in theater, right? So this isn't

[01:59:36] It's only seven years old. It's an eighties The Disney film so one of the ones that that isn't wasn't Much below fox in the hound correct Which right in one tim Burton worked on as a weekly. Oh, yeah. Yeah number five

[01:59:51] Is a film that I'm not familiar with so let's look it up. It's an apocalyptic drama. I like those starring demi more Apocalyptic drama starting to mean more you've never heard of it before I don't know this move

[02:00:06] Yeah, I don't know what's the tell of this movie. Uh, michael bean is in it Jurgen prok now plays jesus of nazareth itself. What? It's called the seventh sign It's a film. Okay. Don't you tell me otherwise it made 18 million dollars in the domestic box

[02:00:25] Yeah, we've also got um johnny be good With anthony michael hall and robert jenny jr. We've got good morning vietnam Big head a massive hit that's like it's like 16th week or whatever we got. Oh police academy five assignment

[02:00:41] Miami beach correct. They're pointing the hello origin story party in the city where the heat is on Will smith still baby at this point Okay, well then uh, you know cilia crew

[02:00:55] That's cute for the listeners david points at me anytime police academy. Yeah, there was a lot of pointing Well, you have gotten excited in the past when police academy was in the box

[02:01:04] It went point to ben then point then point to ben about police academy to griffin to make the guest and then to back into acknowledge The great city of my it's very pretty. Yeah, my god. I do like to point And I love that about you

[02:01:19] Continue thank you. I like your new cash phrase too. Hell yeah. I stole it from you I just almost steal it as you like sort of infected my brain with it. You're welcome So I usually like rewatch the movies for this podcast like the night before the day

[02:01:35] Right, which you often say is a bad idea because it usually results in me being late because I'm rushing to finish the movie Sure, or maybe like watching the movie on your phone as we prep for the episode at time management

[02:01:45] That's only happened one time and it was when we were recording two episodes I think it happened twice but it only happened once it only happened once

[02:01:52] It was for the visit. I remember the visit getting hit with a visit episode was where you you actually had like 20 minutes left Yeah, and I was like, hey, can you guys hold on because I have to go to the bathroom

[02:02:02] Um, no, but like sometimes I have to like oh, I got a doctor's appointment in the morning And then we're recording so I download the movie to my iPad and I watch it in a bagel shop and things like that

[02:02:11] Sure, like I watched this movie two weeks ago because I couldn't help but watch it My girlfriend humble Reg and I uh like we're just like fuck it. Let's watch Beetlejuice right now

[02:02:20] And the movie ended and she just went it's perfect. Yes, that's what I was talking to her about this last night And she was okay. Everyone's met great for the girlfriend of a me. You will meet her very soon It's being arranged the date will be set

[02:02:35] We're gonna have dinner just the two of us like in like in monster as well We don't have much time, but maybe you want to put on the record say what you thought about her Oh, please. Yes. Let's do this. I didn't yeah, okay. I thought she was

[02:02:49] Okay, she is literally now the light of my life. Hell's yeah, perfect. Hell. Yeah. Hell. Yeah And she's a punk and yet sweet And that's a hard balance to find baby. She was wearing a circle jerk circle last night

[02:03:03] That's what I heard. So now Ben stands her as a pungal legend. She's cooler than griff Which is not very hard correct And um, I support and she's gonna find uh, she has a hot brother that she's gonna set me up Oh, she does she does kind of

[02:03:19] Okay, oh really? Yeah. They're always in relationships hot brothers. I know never with me. Um But but she was saying like it's one of those movies where like I remember seeing it for the first time and just feeling like yep

[02:03:32] Right. Yeah. No, I've like had this movie in my head the whole time I think I was pretty aware of it already. I guess just uh from the zeitgeist

[02:03:39] But I was just like right there. I think I was surprised by so much of it because there's that element I'm saying of the inevitability of like, oh, I know how much it's in the zeitgeist before I've watched it for the first time

[02:03:47] But it's also just like I think much in the same way of like blue velvet Where like david lynch like pulled this thing out of like the sort of public consciousness that no one had ever Like coalesced into like one coherent statement before and everyone was like, yeah

[02:04:01] This is like I understand where this is coming from even though it's unprecedented I this movie I think functions the same way where it's just like yep. No right. Yes, of course There was a period of time where I was thinking about pursuing acting

[02:04:12] And uh, I prepared a monologue. I did uh, Dennis Hopper Uh-huh in super mario brothers That's the funnier thing so yes And that's the story No, did you do did you do the frank booth?

[02:04:30] That's really like the insane blue velvet. Yeah, you probably killed that. Oh for sure He's a really good actor Well, I just more of a psychotic person so do you think uh, juliar has goose on their like wall of alumni? They should do you think he donates

[02:04:48] Uh, scabs. Okay. Donates dry scabs that he comes and shut up back door fast. Yes Uh final thoughts on this uh This movie fucks it slaps Sure Eighth bugs this was an era

[02:05:04] Where like this movie was released people didn't know it was going to be a thing and then it became so popular in the cartoon series later And all of that that there was like a lot of merchandise that happened later

[02:05:13] There was an item I was trying to find on ebay to get to bring into the studio today, and I forgot But uh, it's they made a beetle juice like mask

[02:05:22] Not like a halloween mask, but it was like a toy like plastic mask you could pretend to be a bill juice But it had a pump with it So you could squeeze it and the snakes would fly out of the back of your head. That's good

[02:05:31] That's pretty cool. It's really fucking cool. It's called the bill juice fright mask I think personally there's therapy that I need to do to uh, you know break down Why this is still the type of suitor I'd like um

[02:05:46] But that's just something i'm too lazy to do so I accept it and I am unashamed and I I I think I just want to get into that guys

[02:05:58] Yeah, no look this movie was a sexual awakening for all of us. Yeah, uh, it's it's a weird foundational text Uh, and and now it's great right. It's a movie that's like changed the the landscape forever

[02:06:10] Like all comedy exists in a post he made it okay to be horny He thank you. That's our final statement a big thanks to mr. Dues for making it Director of all time No one's worse with sex than dim Burton, right?

[02:06:25] Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, we will yeah Uh, Rebecca classroom Crush, that's what it is. Where is it? Where is it? It's coming back I think ben's gonna be my season premiere would that be hilarious seven hours long? Yeah, let's give him

[02:06:41] Because the people want it. I think yeah, so you've both been on it. That's sure Thank you if you want to be on it again. Hey, I live here now. Yeah. So what's up with that? New york

[02:06:51] I am a real new york gal. I watched sex in the city, which is hilarious that I did that You watched it only after you moved here. Yeah, I was like, that's this is a funny bit. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, please follow

[02:07:05] classroom crush on twitter and subscribe to classroom crush and follow me almond milk hotel Good Twitter names never gonna get old No, I think thank you uh, so I mean you really did like

[02:07:19] Help help boost this podcast in the early days truly spend my pleasure and thank you for having me a lowly Just commenter of the podcast No World no on the show. No, you're a superstar. No, I mean I agree

[02:07:35] I'm like writing a play isn't that funny anyways if I do a play and and it says Rebecca bold has come to it Uh, yes, uh, beetle juice the musical coming to Broadway written by rechabalmas And now I'm adding that that's the only truck in my musical column

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[02:08:02] Go to blankies out red dot com for some real nerd shikka tea public for some real nerdy merchandise And also next week David. Hmm. We have a special episode on the movie aquaman That's right. The tc extended universe

[02:08:18] You see what i'm doing here? He's sort of swimming like a fish. I'm diving in always diving in we're gonna dive into aquaman We're all gonna go see it and then we're gonna talk about it. We're all gonna see it together, which will be fun

[02:08:29] Yeah, I was always that's always a good time. I know the boys and the other thing is that apparently it's great So no really it's like silly and fun. So hopefully we will find it silly and fun. Yes Um, so next week aquaman

[02:08:43] That's our last episode of 2018. Yeah, we're gonna be taking a week will be dark new year's week. Yeah um And go ahead but but we do have a special announcement to make I know we do it's a big deal uh

[02:09:02] We're gonna be starting in 2019 introducing, uh a patreon That's right. We'll be the first podcast with a patreon No one has ever thought of doing this before with two friends that has a patreon. Yes

[02:09:15] Um, it's gonna be similar to maybe some other podcasts you might follow or like in which If you chip with some extra cash five bucks a month You're gonna get three extra episodes a month and these are big honking episodes

[02:09:31] Then let's talk about it. Yes. Let's talk about what we've been doing so far these boys have been uh having me watch marathon like three movies sitting Of the marvel cinematic universe

[02:09:46] So griffin and I'll talk about more this more next week on aquaman just to set this things up But yes, we're we're doing franchises folks. These are the the movies that just don't fit into our director format That we might not be able to cover

[02:09:59] That definitely have blank check all over them, you know that have been made For crazy amounts of money and do all kinds of weird things. We're starting with the marvel movies because

[02:10:09] I mean we talk about the marvel movies on this podcast all the time and and we need more white men to talk about marvel movies And we're just they're commentaries. We sit down on my couch

[02:10:21] Ben's there. Yep, we flick the movie on and we just talk and talk and talk It's got kind of the energy of the old star wars episode. That's really like wild and goofy

[02:10:29] We've done a bunch of them so far. They're a lot of fun. They've been so fun It's kind of like just hanging out with the the two friends and producer ben So each of those episodes obviously is as long as the movie if not longer

[02:10:41] And then also we're going to toss it We'll get two of those a month and we'll toss in another episode a month There could be a mail bag. It could be

[02:10:49] A review of like a weird movie like what men want or something that we can't fit onto the main feed Maybe um, uh exclusive audio from like a live Yes Event yes, like our interview with james shamus after the whole screening things like that

[02:11:03] Again, we're going to talk about this more, but we just wanted to alert you That the patreon feed is being set up. I think it's going to be in the show description

[02:11:12] Yes, there'll be a link to it. We'll have the link live and the show description. Yeah sign up now And you know, you won't be charged till january and january 1st We're going to post an episode iron man Yeah, right ben That's right. All right

[02:11:28] And lastly it's very exciting and it's a great way to support the show It's a way for us to pay Like ben and ang and ourselves for all the like ridiculous work we do on this podcast. It'll be fun It'll be

[02:11:39] Very interactive like you guys are going to be able to like communicate what you want to us There's no bits involved. Oh, there is an absolute ban on bits. Yeah. Yeah, so just be aware of that

[02:11:50] And then lastly, I just want to let everyone know maybe I could say this You know what too many announcements. We'll save it for next week. What the heck was your other announcement 2019 sundays of 4am

[02:12:01] Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. The episodes will officially post I'll save it for 4am But we again, we'll talk about this more in our comment. We just wanted to give you a heads up That's it was coming 2019 all right now griffin do your stupid thing and as always

[02:12:17] You'll just be able to feel like I figured you were right