[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Yes She's doing her ghosty pose
[00:00:37] And Dittie Clover's beard is so good in this movie That's pretty good, I was sad when he shaved off It's a bummer, it's kind of the great tragedy of the film Right But I remember as a child when this movie came out
[00:00:55] There was a bookstore on the same block as my school that had the poster for months leading up to when it came out And probably months after it had left theaters Well there's two posters, there's this sort of spooky teaser-y one where she's like Yes Just the ghost
[00:01:12] And that just kind of looks like a horror film in terms of the design of the poster Almost looks like a horror film, just straightforward right here And then there's the one that I can't find but that is like my iTunes art
[00:01:23] That's just like Oprah and Danny Clover hugging That seems like a movie with zero ghosts in it And mostly just a movie about nice people hugging And you know, they learn to love each other or whatever That was the poster I walked by Oh she's been smoking Yeah
[00:01:42] The embrace is the one that I always walked by And the thing I realized watching this movie That is one of my absolute favorite looks Go ahead Person who still has color in their hair but their beard is gray Sure, so right, right, right, right, color on top
[00:01:58] You're Chris Pines You're Chris Pines Danny Glover in this When Colbert had his beard phase You know You're right I love that look What's that phenomenon? I don't know there's no name for it Why does it go gray down here first? I don't know
[00:02:13] But it's almost like a facial ombre I know it's a natural occurrence, you know But I like that shift in tones Between the top and the bottom of the head It's pretty sexy I think it's a hot look I think Danny Glover is a sexy guy
[00:02:30] I think he's a really handsome guy And he's so charming in this movie He is, he's in charming mode He is, I mean that's part of like a big part of this character He's in kind of his sort of aw shucks kind of mode
[00:02:40] Right, you know, he's a gentle guy But there's something very He's good when he's scary, too And also, I mean very often he's annoyed Grumpy Grumpy It is a crazy thing where like he was like 37 In Lethal Weapon Yeah, and he's too old for this shit
[00:02:59] He was so hot in that movie I didn't expect him to be so hot Because I only watched it for the first time like last year And I expected this like old ugly man And he's just like in the tub And I'm just like, god damn
[00:03:11] He's looking great Yeah Well, I mean look that's another thing about Danny Glover One of her best bathtub actors He's got a good tub scene in this too It's true, he's got a tub scene in this But it is, it speaks to that thing like
[00:03:22] Your cultural understanding of the reputation of Lethal Weapon Is he's too old for this shit And then you watch the movie And he is a pretty in his prime 37 year old man Who they put a little gray on Right So he looks like a fucking snack I mean
[00:03:37] He's in his physical peak Yeah Now I want to find out is he actually younger than Mel Gibson But he can't be I think they were like No, he's 10 years older than Mel Gibson So he was older Right He should have said I'm older Yes
[00:03:52] He's too much older than his shit Yeah No because that and color purple are two breakouts Correct And in both of them he was playing older than he was Yeah, that's true So he is one of those guys where it feels like
[00:04:04] You're like shouldn't Danny Glover have died 20 years ago And then you're like no he's actually only like 70 something I think he's 73 Yeah He's got a good 10 to 15 years left in him As like grizzled character actor Grandpa You know like you can just keep going of that well
[00:04:20] Loved him and sorry to bother you Loved him and sorry bother you Loved him in what's it called the old man in the gun Like anytime he pops up I'm happy to see him My favorite, yeah on the lights Yes Oh yeah I forgot he was in that
[00:04:32] Yeah And then Well I mean Oh right last Black Man in San Francisco he was in that He's actually painted a lot of stuff recently Yeah And then we're I mean I griff I mean we don't have to but
[00:04:43] We are supposed to go to the next level tonight This is a great point The next level By the time this episode comes out This episode will come out I think in February It will have already won best picture But David and I have been cordially invited to
[00:04:58] Experience To take it to the next level To take it to the next level of Jumanji It is in our court Right it's him and it's Uh DeVito DeVito Two Danies The two are Danny Kevin Hart playing Danny Glover
[00:05:13] Which in the trailer seems to be a very good impression Sure right he's worked on it And the Rock playing Dan DeVito Which seems to be from the trailer a very Non-existent impression It's just him kind of going like what What are you talking about
[00:05:25] He's doing like a standard like Improv show version of a New York accent He's like what are you talking about come on That is all true We're gonna go to the next level We're gonna take it to the next level Maybe he's in it for five minutes
[00:05:40] Maybe he's in it for you know Two and a half hours we don't know Yeah He was also in the dead don't die I believe with Caleb Landry Jones Was his arc Isn't he in the hardware store I did not see that
[00:05:51] I have not seen that how was it It's it's it's not It's I don't know it's it's not that great But then maybe in five years Evan will be like What are you talking about We all slept on that master piece David what are you talking about
[00:06:01] It's the greatest cast of a zombie comedy Ever disassembled Was that the One of the sweatiest tanglines of all time From what I remember of the movie Which is already mostly sort of vanished He owns a hardware store Okay
[00:06:15] And he gets locked in it with Caleb Landry Jones And there's like hijinks They have some hijinks Oh okay They're they're warding off zombies Is that the idea Yeah Caleb Landry Jones That's the scary looking white man Like the true like Wraith like
[00:06:29] You know like if there was like a white Beloved he could play it like it Where he just looks like a ghost Visiting you I walk past him He has the very intense eyes Yes yes I walked past him on the streets of LA A couple months ago
[00:06:42] Okay And he was scary looking Scary One of those guys were like Maybe he turns it on for the camera But he had menacing energy I'm sure he's a very nice man Yeah He was much bigger than I thought he would be Okay Taller and kind of built
[00:06:59] Like he was like fairly broad shoulder Let's not forget he was Havoc Banshee Banshee Yes I remember that he was an ex-man Banshee in the ex-man But it was one of those things where I like Before I recognized that it was him I was like
[00:07:10] Whoa who is this Is this guy gonna knife me And then it was none other than Caleb Landry back Right Caleb Landry Jones Yeah Anyway he's not in Beloved He's not in Beloved No Although a lot of people are in Beloved A lot of people
[00:07:24] Like you're watching Beloved And you're like oh this person too A lot of people pop up Yes There's some poppins Irma P Hall Yeah Wes Bentley Uh-huh For five seconds Yeah I thought about that a lot Like this must have been one of his first films Wes Bentley
[00:07:40] Right Let's find out His It's his first credit That you can click on in Wikipedia Oh my god He has two short films before then I think that's about it So yes his first film Yeah The balance of An American Beauty the next year You Wes
[00:07:59] It's your agent on the phone I got great news We got an offer It's Jonathan Demi Directing a Tony Morrison book Produced and starring Oprah Oh my god incredible what's your role It's wordless Sure You only appear in flashbacks Doing the most horrific things imaginable Yes yes
[00:08:22] In a movie filled with memories of horror Yeah but especially because it's like wordless It must have been so Bizarre to Okay wait so he's one of the guys that like Takes her breast milk is that him Correct Okay yeah He's the school teacher's nephew Okay
[00:08:40] And then there's like one shot of his face Just kind of staring After she kills her baby Yes That's about it And that was when I was like That's definitely Wes Bentley Yes Which is Wes Bentley's on screen energy Anytime he's interstellar or whatever You're like Oh that's
[00:08:59] It looks like Wes Bentley over here Wes Bentley Right Hunger games Mission possible Right He's had a good little rebound run I guess so I mean I don't know He was good at mission impossible I liked him in mission impossible He was in Pete's Dragon Right Yeah Alright
[00:09:15] Yeah This is me kind of like saluting Wes Bentley Pete's Dragon directed by David Lowry Who will never come on the show again From the show Never appear on the show again When he was He was He was coming back No never sorry Never never Oh okay
[00:09:30] He was on the show He was definitely coming back He was on the show And this show of course is Blank Check Thank you With Griffin and David It's a podcast about filmography Directors who have massive success Early on in their careers
[00:09:43] And are given a series of blank checks To make whatever crazy passion products they want And sometimes those checks Clear and sometimes they bounce Baby And sometimes An even more powerful person Who isn't a director Hands over their check to you Sure Right
[00:10:00] Cause this is very much a blank check movie And it is very much Jonathan Demi movie But it is much more of an Oprah blank check Than it is a Demi blank check I guess Certainly Yeah I guess I would say that sure She's throwing her You know
[00:10:15] This was her baby This was the thing that she Bought the rights to the script In 1987 The book to make the script Before it had won the peel of her Right Right before She got in early Yeah And it took like 11 years To get it done And yeah
[00:10:32] This was her first movie She had done since the color purple On screen Is that true I Yeah Is that true I am almost certain I will double check Yeah Cause I feel like that was The big reputation was Making a movie again Yes
[00:10:47] She had been in a couple Of TV movies Oh I'm sorry She's also in 1986's Native Sun In a very small role Yes I think Yeah 1986's Native Sun Also She did Yeah This like television mini series Of a book Which I wrote a review on
[00:11:07] Just this year And cannot remember Are you talking about There are no children here Is that the one I'm trying to see what From that time for the 80's The women of Brewster Place Oh yeah where is that Oh yeah here Yeah right Brewster Place Yes
[00:11:21] And there was a Brewster Place TV show That was short lived In the 90's And she played a character Is she playing an old lady In that one That's an old lady She loves playing The 90's man She loves playing an old woman She's very good at it
[00:11:36] I feel like she is one Of the more naturalistic Playing an old person actors Yeah Jane and I were talking about this She's a good actor I think that she's great I also I've been watching A lot of I've been doing this piece
[00:11:51] On the decade in black film Which I'm saying it Even though hopefully it'll be published By the time this is out Sure And I watched the but I was watching the butler And then I watched this And I was just like She's hot in both of these movies
[00:12:02] That's my take She's pretty hot in the butler She's running hot Yeah That's sort of like you touch it And you're like whoa Oh boy Yeah But like in the scene where She's meeting Paul Dee again Played by Danny Glover And he like shows up In her yard
[00:12:22] And she's barefoot And they're looking at each other I was like this is a hot scene That's true And it is fun Yeah cause we don't like Oprah On television Very maternal figure People would come on And sort of talk to her About their feelings Their relationships
[00:12:37] Their hardships Right Yeah she's the person that Ellen comes out to Yes Yes She was Ellen's therapist On the Ellen episode Yeah And one could also argue She is the one who like Anointed Ellen The new king of daytime Yeah Right Ellen sort of became the next
[00:12:55] Which I don't know If that was a good thing But you know what happens It's what happened But there was that thing Look I never watched The Ellen show Obviously I mean I don't watch it You don't watch it ever Do that I mean I don't have
[00:13:07] Cable TV anyway I guess I could watch it If I really But I will occasionally Find myself watching A clip from the Ellen show Same here And she's just She's very salty Like she's got a real Edge to her On air Yeah I know she has a
[00:13:22] You know there's An unspoken sort of thing That she's got A salty edge off air too Or whatever You know there are Just some You see chatter on the internet Sometimes She's still got that Stand up defense mechanism I gotta cut you Before you cut me Sure Right
[00:13:38] That very specific The 80s stand up Club scene 100% And I know she like Hangs out with George Bush And says we should all Be nice people And people get mad at her And that's a Great conversation We all do that We all hang out with George Bush
[00:13:53] It's a thing we all do I mean I love the video With her and Dakota Johnson Yes I was gonna say Melanie Griffith's daughter Old lady way to describe her I mean that is One of the better Films of 2019 Right It's a thrilling exchange It's a whole
[00:14:07] It's a whole It's a white-knuckle race It's wonderful I just can't I could not imagine Going on Somebody showing to being like Oh you didn't invite me To your party Like I run into people Who didn't invite me To their party all the time And I'm just like
[00:14:20] I'm not gonna mention it But you know You know 100% The reason Dakota Johnson Did that is because It wasn't just that She didn't show up to the party It was that she Went and hung out with George Bush Instead of going to the party Right When people triangulated
[00:14:35] Wait a second Let's look at the date As you're saying Yeah As Melanie Griffith And Don Johnson's daughter She probably just has a kind of like What are you gonna do Energy Right where it's like I can say what I want on Ellen You can't touch me
[00:14:48] Exactly, yeah I've been in this shit my whole life Right you know I completed the 50 shades Of gray trilogy She did She was She Wait I loved her Me too, she's great They finished the film They made them They finished them They released them They released them
[00:15:04] They made money I've seen all three of them I'm impressed that anybody Managed to get through all three books They did it They did it I got so bored Did you read any of them I read the first one And tried to read the second one
[00:15:14] I mean the first one is I was so bored The first one is terrible So I feel like it only goes out from there But 50 shades darker The movie 100% wonderful time in the theater I believe that is the second movie Which is the plot The least plotty
[00:15:29] That's the one where It's just a lot of crazy stuff It's also the one where There's a Chronicles of Riddick poster In the background of the scene That was an amazing time at the movies We were all just like Audibly saying Is that Chronicles of Riddick?
[00:15:41] I felt very close to everyone In the movie theater Part of the Riddick curse Now you host a podcast I do, yeah Our guest, Jordan Oh, Jordan Searles Jordan Searles I'm sorry, we didn't introduce you Hi You host a podcast called Bad Romance That is about bad romances
[00:15:57] In movies Yes What is your view of 50 shades of gray As a phenomenon As a thing Especially as a cinematic adaptation Because I had a very I only saw the first one I made a very snap of opinion A snap judgment And in the last couple months
[00:16:14] I've actually been rethinking Their place in culture a little bit I mean, the first one is very much like It was Sam Taylor Johnson I believe And she didn't really get along with E.L. James And the way that she made the movie Was kind of like
[00:16:30] She almost made the movie in a way Where it's like she didn't like the book And it was really clear that it was made by Somebody who didn't like the book So when they switched directors To 50 shades James Foley, I believe The other two Yeah
[00:16:43] So the first one is like Kind of like a criticism of the first book But it's a weird criticism Because it still has to move through All of the plot conventions of it It should Like it doesn't really work as a criticism
[00:16:57] And also doesn't really work for the book either It's really weird But the other two are just Like exactly what those books were meant to be Which is Just Just crazy thrillers With spanking and helicopters And also just like Just like power Just like this fantasy
[00:17:13] Like I love the way that Dakota Johnson gets in the last two Where she just like Becomes more and more confident And more and more just like This wealth belongs to me She gets so into it Helen must attend my party And then the third one especially
[00:17:30] There's like a woman that's like Who's designing their house It's an architect designing their house And the woman like talks to Christian And doesn't talk to her And kind of just treats her like a trophy wife Or whatever And then Dakota pulls her to the side
[00:17:44] Excuse me, my name is Mrs. Gray And you need to back up Off my husband And I'm just like alright Do they get married in two or three? I don't think I think they get married in three No, apparently they get married at the end of two
[00:18:00] Three begins with their honeymoon I can't even imagine Rita Ora of course is in all three Rita Ora and those movies Just looking for the plot Looking for some kind of thread She plays his sister? She's his sister Of course
[00:18:14] Kid Basinger I believe is in the final two And she plays the woman The evil taker of his virginity Marsha Gay Hardin plays the mom In a very strange performance See I only saw the first one And my take away was I hate this book
[00:18:27] Which is interesting that that's your explanation Of the first movie Because I did not read the book But watching the movie made me hate the book Because it feels like the movie Is trying to make you hate the book Oh yeah, no definitely
[00:18:38] That's why E.L. James got her fired Right And the thing I found fascinating about the movie While not liking it Was that it felt like a filmmaker Trying to sort of do what Coppola did With the godfather Sure, we're just like This is junk but It's hope
[00:18:53] I want to use this like Pop culture phenomenon to like Trojan horse and a bunch of things I'm interested in around this theme But we live in an era now Where the writer of the book gets complete approval Over every fucking prop And every element of set dressing
[00:19:08] And E.L. James apparently just Didn't let her do anything I mean the ending is still one of the funniest Endings ever because he just like Gives her like a few spankings Like with his hand And she's just like, no I can't handle this
[00:19:20] Right, that's the first movie Just ends with these fakes her one time And she's like, I'm out She gets in an elevator The end of the film The end of the movie She gets in an elevator And says, I'm done And the doors closed And then like
[00:19:31] The movie literally basically is like Checking next year for part two Like it's not like the movie is like And that's that But the other crazy thing is You know there's more That scene has happened ten times Over the course of the film you've just watched
[00:19:42] Yeah, no, it's a weird thing Because a lot of people I know got really upset about it Because of its like Wrong portrayal of BDSM But the thing about the books is that It's treating as cake as an illness They're not about BDSM
[00:19:55] They're just like about this guy Who does not know how to love a woman Without it Can you change a man? And once they're like settled and married They don't even really do it anymore Right, right It becomes about all this other shit And him having helicopters
[00:20:09] And Kim Basinger So it just like seems like a part Like it just seems like it was written by a person That like hasn't had any interesting sex And it shows And I just don't I think she has new books I'm sure she does
[00:20:22] I mean it must be easy when you don't really edit So can I just say congratulations to the Fanfiction community for their accomplishment It is a pretty incredible The mister Yeah, the mister That's what it's called I was listening to the mister On audio book
[00:20:38] And I just could not Who does the audio book? Does she do it? No, it's like just like actors But the mister is 512 pages Which is close to double the length of Beloved I truly It's like 320? Yeah, maybe 350 Beloved is like Like a nice like not too long
[00:20:59] Of a book but every Couple pages is just like full of So much emotion And imagery and trauma And like even like When I was reading The Bluest Eye Which is probably like her shortest book It still took me a really long time Because like every page
[00:21:15] Like I had to put it down and I had to be like Okay, I need to think about what I just read And then pick up the book again The problem with as this is the problem With so many great American authors
[00:21:24] Is that her books are often foisted on You know kids in high school And they're tough They're challenging reads They're you know Something as you say You sometimes need to sit with Or you need to be sort of like Guided through
[00:21:36] And so kids think of her as this like Broccoli author, you know like Ah yeah I had to read You know, okay But she's so good She's so good And I was gonna say I don't know if it's just my weird Taste or whatever
[00:21:48] But I was a kid who despite Liking words and books Was so anti-school That I usually resented any book I was assigned And I remember Song of Solomon Being like one of the books in high school Where I was like I enjoy reading this
[00:22:05] I am reading this for pleasure I am reading this out of enthusiasm Right, that was like One of the ones that gripped me And that stood out after high school Where I didn't throw away my copy You know Throw away your copy Burn it You're burning books
[00:22:20] Burn any book I don't like But I never read Beloved I bought it five days ago Cause I was like Oh I should probably read it before the show And then made it ten pages in And was like I'm not gonna finish this in five days
[00:22:32] You were trying to read Beloved Just like No I'm a pretty fast reader I had not read Song of Solomon In sixteen years It's very tough to like Sort of try and skim read her book Exactly I forgot how dense her language is I haven't read Mara Simba
[00:22:45] But it was one of those things where I was like I'm not going to speed read this For the sake of saying I read it before the podcast I will put it on my shelf And read it in full I kind of feel like This kind of story
[00:22:56] Would probably be best Either for a miniseries Or a very like liberal adaptation That kind of like Goes through you know Kind of more of the emotional beats Than not necessarily like All of the story beats Cause it does
[00:23:13] I think you probably read the book more recently than I did But like The movie is trying to just Get it all in there Yeah And I don't really think that it works Especially in scenes where Like Okay so we're in a scene
[00:23:24] And then we kind of see a flashback Where we're not fully in the flashback It's like we're getting like A preview of it Yeah the opening of this movie Is very aggressive Yes Yes yes anyway Carry on sorry Yeah and so it Seems like there's
[00:23:37] It's like it doesn't seem like Demi really understood what to do With the backstory Sure And so it just kind of like Feels jarring and kind of like Takes the poetry out of it A lot of the time And it's also I mean I get this a lot
[00:23:54] I feel this a lot with like Men like directors portraying Anything having to do with slavery But it's just like So it's such a weird Version of it That doesn't really take its time To really like Get into the emotions of the situation And the emotions is what
[00:24:12] The root of this story is It's about you know The trauma of slavery And like how it Continues to stick with you Right in point Yeah and so it's like You can't just like Show us like a flashback And be like we got it
[00:24:26] Yeah I think the flashbacks are The roughest Right I agree with you Like the sort of Roughest portion of this movie It's not a bad movie It's a weird thing It's an odd duck of a film But it's an odd thing Yeah Yes
[00:24:38] Had you ever seen it before Griffin? I had never seen it before Had either of you seen it before? Yeah I watched it like as a kid And I was just like This is weird and bad I saw it in my high school But I saw it again
[00:24:48] Did you see it like When you were reading the book? I saw it in high school When I was in the year No I didn't read the book Until I was an adult Oh interesting so you Would see in the movie first Yeah
[00:24:59] And then you read the book Fairly recent Yeah I don't know how this movie It's crazy to think about This movie just coming out Anyway Because Yeah This is the kind of thing That needs kind of like a roll out Like a kind of like a Berry Jenkins
[00:25:15] Like we're about to ease you Into this giant Right It feels like a crazy thing For people to have just been Like Beloved I don't know What is it? It's like a period ghost movie Let's all go watch it And like just sitting down To watching this movie
[00:25:28] And like You know how do you Impact And it was like I feel like its main selling point Was Oh anytime Oprah picks a book People go gaga for it This is the greatest Oprah's book club of all time Oprah herself Is making the movie
[00:25:44] And putting herself in it Her big return as a film actress Right Like the Oprah endorsement Stamp is the whole thing But it is this Strange film It's like an 80 million Dollar Disney financed Yes it's a Disney film The only adaptation of like One of the most canonical
[00:26:02] Crazy amount of money Crazy amount of money This movie doesn't look like It cost 80 million dollars No it does not It looks fun Most of it takes place in the house Yeah It's just a while It's a big budget
[00:26:13] And the fact that this is the only Tony Morris The only Tony Morris The only Tony Morris in the adaptation This is Is that part of it Has she just mostly not Sold rights to her books I think that's the case Cause obviously Oprah option
[00:26:25] This book really wrote her A personal check for one million dollars Which I'd love it if Oprah Wrote me a personal check for one million dollars Yeah and even after this movie I'm pretty sure Tony Morrison Was like Was at peace with the movie
[00:26:36] Which I don't know how much of that Is just like I like my friend Oprah Or how much of it is This actually works for the material I wonder which Right I mean I think Authors are usually pretty judicious About like Not getting too mad
[00:26:49] Unless they decide to go Hard And be like No it sucks right Like do a Stephen King And the Shining Star Sure But yeah she was polite about the movie As far as in a publicly right Yeah she was And this also feels like a movie that is
[00:27:04] I don't think Go ahead Two very skilled, very powerful people Trying their earnest hardest To do right by the book They're not taking any radical Swings at changing it right Right So that probably in and of itself Pleased her in the fact that Oprah spent eleven years
[00:27:20] Trying to get it right You know Yeah Yeah I just It ending up with Demi Is such an interesting Like I've watched This is the thing I've been trying to figure out This is cause like You know my favorite Demi movies are like Something wild
[00:27:34] Married to the mob Like more That kind of stuff Rachel getting married And so Him doing this There's just really nothing in it Like his His oeuvre That Points to this for me In a way And then when I started watching it I kind of understood
[00:27:49] Where cause Oprah was the one Who just said Demi's who I want Right she offers it to him Is that right? Yeah Okay cause I was trying to figure this out Cause this movie Just stated for ten years Yes It was very much Oprah's choice
[00:28:00] And I have to assume past I'm sure the other directors Had maybe been involved at some point If it was sort of just Just stating for this one But I feel like the big thing Was her constantly hiring New writers to try to adapt to it
[00:28:12] I mean I might be wrong in this And I was digging into Try to find history But it seemed like so much Of the stop and start was Obviously Oprah had a day job That was pretty time consuming Right And she didn't want to get the movie
[00:28:22] Off the ground Even try to get it off the ground Until she felt like the adaptation Was right Right And like Richard LaGravnaise Wrote on it Yes, Annenbergs Yes Rewrite guys There is a coffee table book called Journey to Beloved In which she describes
[00:28:36] The process of making Beloved By Oprah Winfrey I have not read it But I know I feel like so much Now I want to read it So much of even at the time When people were like Why is a white man directing This film Sure
[00:28:49] And I was constantly saying Like this is who I chose This is who I wanted I felt like he was the best person To do it Obviously at the time He is a very major director He had made two films that decade That's what's so weird about this
[00:29:00] This is 1998 Huge hit And Philadelphia was It's his first film since Philadelphia Six years earlier He's made a lot of documentaries in between But this is his first Fiction film in six years His two previous films Were major Oscar players So with a certain degree
[00:29:18] This is his weird 90s trilogy Of like oscarie films Like the serious prestige Jonathan Demi Except all three of these films Are very strange And do not play as conventional Oscarie movies So I think to her mind He seemed like one of the big Serious guys
[00:29:36] And to another point To a certain degree watching this Especially the first 30 minutes Which leans so much more Into the horror of everything You kind of see why she would want to Hire the silence of the lambs Gotta make this movie There's stuff like in the beginning
[00:29:55] Of the red lights I love the red light Oh yeah, no that's great That's an incredible little moment And a lot of the early stuff With dany glover is really good And his chemistry with Oprah Is really good Which is probably why he picked her Even though like
[00:30:11] In terms of the book Danny Glover is actually A really weird choice in my opinion Really? Yeah, well I mean like Maybe it's just like a black thing But the way that Paul Diaz Described in the book Like part of the reason why Women love him so much
[00:30:25] Is because he's very, very like Light skinned And kind of like a Michael Ely Kind of looking person He's more pretty Right Or is Danny Glover sort of a big broad guy Right He's more fatherly Like he is more like someone To take you into his embrace
[00:30:44] Right, so it was interesting Like it was, it makes Paul Diaz Come off differently than he does in the book Because in the book He just kind of reminds me of Somebody that would wear a zoot suit If zoot suits had been created at the time Right Right
[00:30:58] Cause in this it feels like He's just a charisma guy Not that he's not good looking But the whole power of this guy Is there's something about him He's so engaged His eyes are what's really sexy About him His eyes are unbelievable Yeah He's kind of got like
[00:31:11] Like Disney cartoon animal eyes His eyes are just so round Right You know You can just see so much of the emotion In his face Yes So I mean like He's like up for the job But that's an interesting thing It's especially interesting When his interactions with
[00:31:29] Like Denver Played by Kimberly Elise Who I think is really good in this movie She's terrific And I remember at the time The narrative being a little bit like She was kind of the breakdown Here's like a major new star Right, right We're gonna have Kimberly Elise
[00:31:41] I'm kind of upset that she didn't really break out Like she I mean a lot of the roles that she's had She had been incited off already Right, and she's so great Incited off Right, great movie I want to talk about her for a second
[00:31:52] Because she didn't make a lot of movies An interesting career art And I think partly maybe because it's You know Literally Especially at the time Just tough to get good vehicles As young black actors I mean as I've been doing this
[00:32:04] This research on the black films of the decade And why more black films are Nominated for Oscars and everything Part of it is that like There really weren't a lot of roles For black women during that time Like aside from like in 2000s
[00:32:18] You kind of got some rom-coms and things But mostly in the 90s it was like Waiting to exhale Set it off Yeah Whatever side role In like juice or menace to society Or boys in the hood Those are like small roles Right And then there's just like
[00:32:35] Yelling at someone Right, and then there's stuff on the fringes Like just another girl in the IRT And the watermelon woman That people didn't even really talk about until Indie movies Just another girl in the IRT is so good Yeah it is And so she
[00:32:47] I feel like there just wasn't really anything And then like it wasn't until really like Tyler Perry With Diary of a Mad Black Woman I think in 2004 Which she's 5 Yeah, she's what she said She's 5 She's really good at eating She's the leading She's the titular
[00:33:01] She's the mad black woman She's the mad black woman Yeah, she's really great Yeah, it's a weird thing Where I feel like there could only be She has a certain look where there can be Only so many of her at once
[00:33:11] And I also think that a lot of her thunder Was stolen by Tandy Newton Which is really funny considering That I kind of think that Kimberly Elise is the better actress It's interesting I mean, and Tandy Newton does Pretty quickly go from this
[00:33:26] To you know, booking your Mission Impossible 2s And you're sort of big role Well great, they sort of chose her To be the next one But then we talk about in our following She had a weird career Episode We talk about in the Truth About Charlie episode
[00:33:39] That she ends up coming back around To being sort of a character actress Which is her better zone And you watch like the degree To which he like digs into this character Which is not a part that most Angenous would want to take
[00:33:53] Which speaks to the fact that I don't think she thought about Positioning herself as an Angenous Which Hollywood then did The Kimberly Elise thing Which I think is fascinating Is that like set it off as such a breakout And this is presumed to be this big Oscar player
[00:34:07] She's the only one who kind of gets traction off of this She gets like a Critics Award She gets a couple of Critics Awards Yeah People thought and then the movie Just didn't really connect And then she's kind of in like
[00:34:19] Another space for like a couple of years She's in Bait She's in John Q You know, I think these are sort of Thankless like white roles But then her revival weirdly is And to some degree She was too early on this
[00:34:33] It's Dyromat Black Woman and Woman Thou Art Loosed Which are the first two like big Christian movies to crossover into mainstream And like inspirational sort of like Yeah She's great in both of them She's playing people who are like in bad relationships
[00:34:49] And dealing with toxic things in their like Overcoming them But she kind of like anointed that new genre At least in terms of like being a crossover success Where those two movies were like Actual mainstream box office performers Like faith based films had not performed that way before
[00:35:04] But it does, it speaks to like So this was the first poster for Dyromat Black Woman Where it's like she's turning her head And she's a flower If you remember like she's sort of Yes I remember that one And that was the sort of
[00:35:15] Those initial Tyler Perry movies Always had that more impressionistic poster There would be two different takes There'd be the comedy poster and the As the movie was going crazy Like right there was the media who has a gun Pointing a gun at the title Right
[00:35:29] And then as the Tyler Perry verse sort of Went on it was They would more just usually just be Like wacky posters with a lot of big actors on Madeira came a franchise But they were pretty smart in terms of understanding
[00:35:38] That is the juxtaposition of all Tyler Perry movies Is you have very broad comedy and these Like very sort of character driven melodrons I do have the flower posters though Oh yeah no the flower posters fantastic I think there's one for Daddy's Little Girls
[00:35:52] There's a flower one named Yeah that's I've got to find that poster That's legitimately good Idris Elba, Gabrielle Union So good in that one I have not seen every Tyler Perry movie But I have seen that one I think in general when it comes to
[00:36:05] Black actors and specifically black women You kind of have to hit your wagon to Lee Daniels, Tyler Perry, Oprah Or I guess Ava soon It's kind of like And I think There's a lot of flowers Yeah And they And she just didn't She I mean it's weird
[00:36:27] She was there at the ground floor And it's like we moved into the later 2000s and she just got forgotten That's what's interesting is I feel like She was this like trailblazer in terms of Like I think to do a faith based
[00:36:39] Film was not seen as a good career Move for a legitimate actress At that point in time Yeah And she does the two that break out And then suddenly everyone realizes Oh let's jump in the water And she kind of gets pushed out of it
[00:36:52] And it's interesting because there are so many Like Viola Davis was in And then the idea goes to J.O Like there's so many Yeah Gabrielle Union's in there And Taraji P. Henson talks about like Yeah Taraji's in multiple Like she had gotten the Oscar nomination
[00:37:08] And no one was giving her lead parts And she was like Tyler Perry was the only person Who would give me a lead role Who raised my quote Sorry in Hollywood And then I suddenly was viewed as a leading lady And it became this like clear career path
[00:37:21] For everyone to do It became the equivalent I feel like White pretty actors doing a Sundance Andy to be like wait I can actually act Give me an Oscar It became a thing to like show your sort of Boniface I gotta give you the next three
[00:37:33] Thankless wife roles that Kimberly Elise Was handed post Diary of a Man When she should have had All in like inspirational You know biopic Like true story film Cause those two movies she is the lead She's the titular character She's also in the mentoring candidate Right Supporting role
[00:37:51] Pride Which if you don't remember Bernie Mac and Terrence Howard swimming The swimming movie A swimming drama In which I think she plays like the wife I would imagine Then the great debaters The Denzel Washington movie In which I think she plays Some mom maybe something like that
[00:38:09] And then And this is the one I did not remember She played Ben Carson's wife In gifted hands the Ben Carson story Oh my God TV movie where Cuba Gooding Jr. plays Ben Carson Now secretary of housing Ben Carson And now she wasn't she I'm trying to think
[00:38:27] I saw her in something recently And I was shocked I think it was at Astra Yes, yes, yes She's one of the nice people on the ship Where they're like It's really great to have you on board Brad Pitt and he's like Happy to be here
[00:38:41] By the end of it they're all dead Cause he doesn't know how to talk to anybody Is that the baboon ship? No She's on the ship that takes them That docks with the baboon Yes, Brad has a whole crew And the entire crew dies
[00:38:55] And then he has to like Commendera and by the end of it They're all dead Right And it's just cause his daddy Never taught him how to fucking commute Oh my God That movie is so Love Kimberly Elise No, yeah I love like Oh my God
[00:39:10] Like I am nobody But I would love to just Like write a screenplay And just be like Can I just get this in her hands Can we give her something to do The crazy thing is I mean you say You say you're nobody Which is not true
[00:39:20] You're a very respected writer But I feel like very often People like that Where you're like This actor is so good No one writes good parts for them I wish I could write something for them It could never get through to them
[00:39:33] A, it's easier to get through to them Than you think And B, they are so excited That someone's writing a part for them That they would do it You know Like I feel like Ryan Coogler talks about that With Michael B Jordan Where like he wrote through
[00:39:45] Fail station And he was like Man I'd love to like get this guy But I assume he's like Inundated with offers And he sent the script to Michael B Jordan And Michael B Jordan was like No one has ever offered me a lead role before
[00:39:56] I've been acting since I was 11 Yeah on the wire, yeah Yeah and he was like I never And Coogler was like I assumed you were just Choosy and turned down stuff And he's like No one was ever letting me be a lead
[00:40:08] No one even threw it by me as an option Well Yeah Let's get Kimberly Elise Back in movies Yeah let's do that I mean and I guess I guess Tandy Newton We should probably talk about her Let's talk about her Tandy Newton of course British
[00:40:28] She's an actress who I mentioned this before we started recording But my relationship with her was just that Like I was convinced she was bad For such a long time Like I would watch her In a bunch of things And she was bad in them
[00:40:40] And then I watched Westworld Which she's great in So fucking good in Westworld And I'm just like Okay well then what's been going on all this time So I'd want to talk about Tandy Newton Yeah British actress as I said I believe her mom was a Zimbabwean princess
[00:40:56] Her dad is like a lab tech Born in London Her name means beloved It's all over the IBDB trip That's crazy Wow And the first thing I feel like The first things that I knew her in I guess she's an intimate vampire I don't remember her in that
[00:41:14] She's on one of the maids When they're in the mansion I think she gets killed They suck her blood It's been a while since I saw that one She's like the only black person in it And Racer Then she's in Jefferson in Paris Playing Sally Hemming
[00:41:31] That movie is insane I have never seen it It's a merchant ivory movie It was a big movie Nick Nolte and Thomas Jefferson It's like a love triangle between Nick Nolte, Tandy Newton And I believe Gwyneth Paltrow I think it's Greta Skaki Or however you say her name
[00:41:50] But let's find out No, no, it's Gwyneth Paltrow And I just remember being like Greta Skaki is in it I just remember thinking Whose idea was this And also just like Why is it a romance? Why is the Sally Hemming story a romance? That's not how it works
[00:42:07] The poster is very much Yes, here it looks like I'm gonna find you the poster I really like it You see Tandy Newton listening in On the other side of the door Being like Uh oh So what's going on? This was a movie It was an oscarine play
[00:42:24] But it was a bomb She was in that That she's on the poster It's a big film And then after that She's in gridlocked Which is a good movie But she's kind of Really big in it in my memory Like sort of really over the top
[00:42:40] She can be very theatrical Which sometimes suits the material Very well and sometimes she's not And then she overdoses in the movie Very quickly I believe Because that's sort of part of the plot It's a good movie I like that movie And then she's in this Below
[00:42:55] And then right after this Mission Impossible 2 And then Truth About Charlie Chronicles of Riddick And she also had a big arc on E.R. As Noah Wiley's wife He meets her when he's like Doing good in Africa And they have a hole up and down
[00:43:10] She was on E.R. a lot Oh interesting She has like a still bird Never watched that show David's favorite show Anytime, I love E.R. Anytime she showed up on E.R. You'd be like fuck Because it was like always The most depressing storyline
[00:43:22] Like she was just there For the show to be sad And for Noah Wiley to cry And for her to cry E.R. was like the one TV show My mom watched My mom was fairly anti-TV Right Without throwing the TV out
[00:43:35] The window in banning TV from our homes Right And that was the one show she watched It was a big deal And every so often I would go see a movie with my mom And an actor would come on screen She'd go ugh And I'd go what
[00:43:46] And she'd go oh, terrible arc on E.R. Like I felt through osmosis That thing of when E.R. Spent eight episodes On a really annoying plotline My mother would hold it against That actor for the next ten years That's how it was With Beverly Hills 902 1L Fair
[00:44:01] Very fair I think things that have Like kind of like over dramatic Soapopery arcs like that You tend to blame the actor For corrupting your show Yeah For taking the show hostage Yeah, definitely Um, well and then She ends up in like the thankless zone
[00:44:17] Of like pursuit of happiness Pursuit of happiness Norbit Norbit She is the object of desire Norbit We talked about this We talked about this in our next episode That is the most thankless role of all time I refuse to watch it But in the middle of all that
[00:44:33] There is Crash Yes Obviously which gets her a BAFTA nomination Another movie Does she win the BAFTA? She wins the BAFTA She wins Best Supporting Actress Yes That's another movie where She's really big in my opinion She's really She is doing a lot
[00:44:49] A lot of people are in there Everyone is Terran Towered is doing a lot Uh huh I mean Terran Towered Is also another one That's always doing a lot I've never seen Terran Towered Just chill in a movie I mean the Tanny Newton performance from this era
[00:45:04] That I really like Which is also very big And thus very divisive But I think is really good Is her as Condoleezza Rice and W Yeah I don't agree with you I think she's the one person Who's on the right wavelength Yeah I like how cartoonish it is
[00:45:18] No the person who's good in W Is Elizabeth Banks for some reason Oh Banks is also good in that I have not seen it That movie does not exist That is astounding We don't talk about that That the year that he was still in office You're still president
[00:45:31] His final year in office Oliver Stone made a weirdly A political Weirdly sympathetic George W. Bush movie Where it's like look he's a stupid guy What can you do But the movie is just What would make this guy run for president It's just him being like
[00:45:44] Ah shucks I'm sure stupid And then Richard Dreyfus is Dick Cheney And he's like what if we were evil It's kind of like a Sean Schover And then in interviews Richard Dreyfus would be like Dick Cheney is a fucking asshole We'd be like we got it
[00:45:56] You don't like the guy Dreyfus is insane in that movie He is on one I need to watch it I mean I saw Vice so I feel like I should just complete it Check it out Who is better than Vice? Oh thank God
[00:46:09] Right it kind of by default I mean the only person that I think Is good and Vice is Tyler Perry I agree with you Thank you He's better than Jeffrey Wright Is in that role in W And I love Jeffrey Wright Yes I think Jeffrey Wright is not
[00:46:24] But Jeffrey Wright is kind of Hang dog He doesn't really I believe we I make the same point in next week's episode The only other person I think is good In W is Allison Pell Okay anyway No you were saying Vice Sorry sorry Enough The point is
[00:46:40] Tany Newton I think Has somewhat of a phenomenon that we love On this show You get angry when I use an example But I think he is a good example The Colin Farrell syndrome Where someone is a very magnetic Skilled actor who is also Incredibly attractive
[00:46:55] And everyone goes Oh they're a movie star And they kind of flounder When you put them in movie star roles Sure And they're only good when you let them do weird shit They need to have a lot of weird shit To la-mon to And if not
[00:47:08] Then they're putting way too much Into what should be a pure presence role Yeah I agree I just watched Roman J. Israel last night Which I love Great movie All aboard here And Colin Farrell in it I'm just like can't he just be in movies like this for
[00:47:25] My favorite actor alive Right but then you watch We're on the same page David I disagree on this But you watch something like Dumbo And you're like He's good in Dumbo He's doing too much in Dumbo No Tandy Newton's daughter is in Dumbo She's the star
[00:47:37] That is true Yeah And you spend half the movie being like This girl is familiar looking And then you're like oh it's Tandy Newton She looks daughter with the director of Mamma Mia She looks like a young clone of Tandy Newton Yeah
[00:47:48] Tandy Newton is married to the director of Mamma Mia Here we go again Yes Our finest filmmaker Our Parker Yeah So good So But yeah I want to point out the Tandy Newton performance That made me think that I was a bad actress
[00:48:03] And it's her performance in For Colored Girls And really like everybody's kind of playing Tiesa Thompson is really great In For Colored Girls She's like the only person where I'm just like She's fantastic Kimberly Lealies She is too right
[00:48:17] That is the one time Tyler Perry brought her back Well she and what a And that's a thankless role Wow He kind of brought a lot of his Collaborate like Janet Jackson's in that Wifey Goldberg, Felicia Rashad Yeah Loretta Devine's in there It's his Avengers
[00:48:32] Carrie Washington a little bit Except he's taking a play That's a series of monologues And turning it into a movie And I don't know I mean It was a big swing Tandy Newton That movie So what is Tandy Newton playing that film? Just like poor?
[00:48:46] That's like her whole character She is orange That she's just like yelling She's just like yelling in this weird Like It's like she's trying to play ghetto But since I don't believe that Tandy Newton Has ever been to the ghetto She just sounds Tandy Newton I think
[00:49:03] Is she's from England Yeah I think she lived a relatively posh Gentile She seems very posh to me But it's just like her doing What did I describe it as Oh yeah it was like poor drag Like a drag performance of poor Yeah sure Just way off
[00:49:18] Yeah it's And I kind of I was thinking about for colored girls A lot when watching this Because a lot of the noises that she makes Remind me of the way that her voice Sounded in for colored girls We have to talk right About her performance of beloved
[00:49:32] She plays beloved She is Which is a reincarnated ghost Of a murdered child Who has been like an adult body And is haunting her mother Right But it's sort of taking the guys Of like sort of a essentially like an Intellectually disabled woman
[00:49:45] Who shows up on her porch in a fancy dress With yeah With bugs all over And drooling And hacking The bugs are gone by the time she's shown I guess she's supposed I like what she has the bugs on her What I'm guessing is that
[00:49:55] She's supposed to be like a baby But like an adult body Right right But they interpret her as like Oh she just must be touched Or straight like her But I think that is the idea Is that she is a baby with adult Factories
[00:50:07] Correct and so she kind of like Grows and sort of makes like Working noises And speaks in this very babyish way It is a very 90's Oscar part On paper It is on paper Where you're like This allows an actor to really go for it
[00:50:21] She's almost like Nell or something Right Where like she barely like has language And it's sort of like What is going on here This is so showy Did you folks read Alison Bulmore's piece On Edward Norton that came out With Motherless Brooklyn came out Yes
[00:50:35] Which I think is one of the Best pieces of film writing I've read in the last year Well she's outrageous She shouldn't be allowed to work She's amazing Alison Bulmore It's an outrage She owns But that piece I thought she crystallized something Really interesting
[00:50:48] The piece is sort of on how Inarguably Edward Norton was viewed as The guy By the end of the late 90's In the 90's it was like That's when he was in the score People were like Brando de Niro Norton It's three generations That's a torch being passed
[00:51:01] Right But you go like from 96 to 99 He makes five movies Gets two Oscar nominations I mean it was like He just hit the ground running And then 99 when Fight Club's coming out There's the Vandy Fair profile That is like It's undeniable
[00:51:15] Edward Norton is the actor of his generation I believe that's the head Dandy directs from Romcom Right Pretty charming He makes this weirdly charming Romcom And then does the score And it felt like the anointment moment And then his career Like sort of drives off a cliff
[00:51:29] And her whole piece I wouldn't say that It gets very strange Red Dragon in 25th Hour right after that Oh that's true 25th Hour is his last It's Italian job where he's like I didn't want to be in this And everyone's like The movie is fine Relax
[00:51:42] He was legally obligated to be in the film Right And then that's when he kind of gets into weird zones Yes Although you know Some people like the illusionist I think he gave good He did illusions The movie I like after that For you Painted Veil
[00:51:54] No the one I think is really good That no one ever talks about Is Two Days in the Valley Oh yeah I've seen that one Down in the valley Sorry Two Days in the Valley Is the like 90th sex thriller Yes
[00:52:05] But yeah down in the valley is good Down in the valley is really good And he's really good in it But her argument I didn't see it Is that he spent I saw the illusionist Saw those illusions Sorry Her argument was that he spent most of the 90s
[00:52:15] Like trying to live up to the reputation Of his first five years And those are the performances That arguably hold up the worst Right And it was They're very big and broad And it was when he was all about The capital A acting
[00:52:26] Where it was about the challenge Of what's the difficult thing An actor can do Right And show you how difficult this is Like in Primal Fear He has a stutter Right Yeah Right And in the score his like His fake cover is that he pretends to be
[00:52:39] An intellectually disabled man That that is part of his con And she was like it's the kind of performance where Like he wants to call attention to the fact That what he is doing is so difficult And he's playing someone who's doing something
[00:52:51] And that is also the time when He starts developing Mothalus Brooklyn Like I was supposed to come out like 2004 Or whatever And she was you know Explaining that used to be this idea Of acting was What kind of affliction What different sort of identity
[00:53:04] That is outside of your body You know how much he isn't in a wheelchair Looking into this movie in a wheelchair Like that's happening Like so much the bar for acting was like Oh my god Sean Penn you won't believe this In I Am Sam Right
[00:53:17] That it was like those That's when it starts to flip though right But he still gets the nomination I feel like a couple years after That people start going like wait is that cool But that it was always viewed as like Oh my god can you believe this
[00:53:29] This actor is playing a guy with this You know Like oh my god Havir Bardem is going to be bedridden In an entire movie Like that sort of thing Which now is so like out of vogue It is a little bit Was like at this point in time
[00:53:43] Like oh my god Tandy Newton has been chosen To play the woman The adult woman Who speaks only in grunts And is constantly drooling Like that was viewed as like Oh she's going to be a star And then you watch this performance now
[00:53:56] And you're like well she's really going for it But it's kind of uncomfortable to watch I rewatched the ending scene Where all of the All the church women show up on the On the yard and then Jason Robards is there And then she's like pregnant
[00:54:13] And she's completely new She's naked, she's screaming The hair is right She's got a blanket The hair is really happening And then she's doing this thing with her teeth Which terrified me where it kind of seems like She looked like a cartoon Like a Renan Stimpy character
[00:54:27] Cause like one side of her mouth was going one way The other side of her mouth was going the other way Like they were just like The teeth were like crashing into each other slanted And I was just like how did she even do that to her mouth?
[00:54:38] That's the thing, like this performance is undeniably Impressive on a technical level There are things she is doing physically and vocally That I can't even imagine trying to do Sure she's magnetic When she's on screen You're interested in what she's doing I suppose
[00:54:51] And it's effective in how upsetting it is Which is the main thing this character should accomplish In the movie I guess Yeah but you know it's kind of like I don't know I feel like A more dialed down performance would have been better I agree
[00:55:07] The other thing is that the movie is largely dialed down This is not a movie that's like really scary It's not a movie that's trying to be like that It is a Demi movie and it has that sort of like Big heart of his
[00:55:18] Which I think is probably And so she is sort of totally on a different chart I think this is probably why she hired Demi Cause you're like he made these two movies that deal with difficult things
[00:55:28] In a way that is lacking in the sort of sense of self importance Or Hollywood gloss, you know That deal with like you know the trauma of These things with appropriate weight That are sort of graphic without being exploitative You know they don't feel salacious
[00:55:44] And that he was such a good actors director That he can keep this away from melodrama I imagine that's what she was drawn to But then Tandy Newton is in a different kind of movie She is in the more conventional Sort of Oscar-weefy version of this film
[00:56:02] Jerny what do you think of Demi in general? I like him, well I like his movies About troubled white women There's something wild about the world I love something wild that's one of my absolute favorite movies I love Married to the Mob
[00:56:18] We'll watch it at any point that it's on Rachel getting married really good I'm a little more I guess Luke Warm on some of his more The movies that people like you know give him awards for Like I'm not really into Silence of the Lambs Fair enough
[00:56:35] I think that it's good but I also I think I waited a really long time to watch it Like past the point to where it was a fundamental like Horror kind of thriller staple But yeah no I generally like him But I just
[00:56:50] It is this weird run that's like a total outlier in his career Because there's like a straight line in like the 80s and the 70s Of him building up his sort of voice And his own weird like tonal balance And then like Silence Philadelphia Beloved
[00:57:07] And especially the gap between Philadelphia and Beloved I think is so telling The long gap Right where by all accounts I think the sort of The criticisms of transphobia against Silence really Hit him hard He felt very guilty and he got Philadelphia off the ground very quickly
[00:57:29] As a sort of trying to make a corrective film And then he seemed pretty content making documentaries He only made one Between 92 and 98 What's the one he made Oh boy let me look up his film He made Cousin Bobby and Stormfront Hitchcock That's 92 So it's just Same year
[00:57:50] Well it's between Silence and Philadelphia Okay And then he makes Stormfront Hitchcock in 98 Weird So he really didn't do anything He was really chillin He seemed kinda out He was chillin Yeah And Oprah kinda pulled him back in And then after this When Oprah comes knocking
[00:58:09] But after this he like zags again Sure after this he makes Truth about Charlie And a cheering candidate relatively quickly You know like 2002-2004 Which Truth about Charlie while not entirely successful Is him kind of trying to get back to the 80s something wild energy Goofy
[00:58:25] Right despite it being a big studio film and ostensibly a thriller You watch it intonally It is far more similar to those 80s comedies Is it good? I have not seen it It is very strange It's very strange Okay Far more interesting
[00:58:37] I don't think it's gonna settle your opinion on Tandy either You could really go either way with what she's doing in that one The only, the advantage she has there is that Mark Wahlberg She seems cool, comic-collected compared to Mark Wahlberg
[00:58:48] Who is like what is, I don't know what am I doing here What is this? Is that supposed to be like charade? It's charade alright But why would Mark Wahlberg be? Cause, Will Smith dropped out Will Smith was supposed to play the role Oh okay
[00:59:03] And they dropped out and they were like who has that energy? They should have just waited for They should have just tried to get Will back Uh huh, agreed And we'll talk about that Next to you You should see it
[00:59:13] If you like, it's married to the mom in something wild It's of a piece of those And it's weird And it's very in love with like French New Wave Yeah And sort of a weird homage And like Anja Svarda pops up And things like that
[00:59:26] Anna Karina pops up Charles Asnivore pops up It's very weird And it's clearly one of those movies where everyone's having a nice time Yeah Okay But it's fucking weird It's fucking weird But it is not a movie that has the sort of Important film
[00:59:43] Sort of weight on it that this does Yeah But I also feel like this is a movie where Demi is trying to In terms of having the movie take place at a more modest pitch That he is trying to steer this movie out of the self importance
[00:59:58] That I think most filmmakers would attach to it Especially if you're like the only person who's ever getting to adapt A Tony Morrison book Here's one of them Yeah Oprah putting all of her weight behind it
[01:00:08] I feel the movie is actually putting energy into trying to remain modest In its sort of tenor Yeah Here's the thing I just found out Okay Peter Weir was at one point attached to the rest Interesting And Oprah fired him because he wouldn't
[01:00:23] He didn't want her to play the lead role Which like Peter relaxed Like let her play the lead role She's a great choice for the lead role Exactly Seems like a weird line to draw Maybe he just thought like She's gonna be the boss
[01:00:36] I won't be able to direct Like maybe he was just worried about like Power balance stuff But like let it, it's her movie But that's the thing This is kind of her movie It is I do think Demi has always been like a big collaborator
[01:00:48] That's what I was gonna say Maybe in other ways that she hires Lemme let's channel He is an notoriously collaborative filmmaker And she knows that ultimately She wants final say on this movie And I mean she, everything that she's doing The way that she shot
[01:00:58] The way that she's framed She's great She's great Yeah, I feel I think she's really good Yeah She's very, it's a very sad performance In all the right ways But it doesn't feel Self-pitying It doesn't feel showy I mean I kept on thinking about
[01:01:14] She's good in the color purple too As we said She's basically good whenever she's in She's fantastic in the color purple Love her in that Which Danny Glover is opposite in that He's scary Right Yeah I'm always fascinated by the phenomenon Of movie stars
[01:01:27] Who have another day job And just occasionally decide To be movie star Because in more recent years That she's dropped into things like The Butler or Selma No, right She's always good Yes You're like oh And you never are like That's the most like
[01:01:42] One of the most famous people on earth No Which is tough Cause she's very famous And even like Wrinkle in Time Where she is Bug nuts And the movie is She's very large She's humongous She's 100 feet tall Right You never like You have to pull yourself out
[01:01:56] Of the film to remind yourself It is weird that I'm watching Oprah Be the size of seven buildings She's kind of well cast in that Because they're supposed to be Like superstars in that way I'm a Wrinkle in Time apologist I really, really like that movie
[01:02:08] I don't know what Griffin thinks Exactly But we are both definitely Wrinkle in Time We're intrigued by a Wrinkle in Time I'm fascinated by it I truly could not make sense of it I have no value to Of that movie Yeah It's a very interesting movie
[01:02:21] I really, really loved it But I also saw it It was I saw it at Alamo Draft House With a bunch of adults Which is It was so weird to see That many adults there Like I have three little sisters So when I go see kids movies
[01:02:32] I'm like Am I gonna buy this DVD For my sister? So that's why I have it So you didn't see it with them You were like pre-screening Yeah Okay And so it was just like To see all these adults there For like a pretty
[01:02:43] Late screening of a Wrinkle in Time I was just like And then they were mad The entire time That it wasn't what they thought I was just like It's a challenging film It's very strange for me I saw it at a theater Where it had
[01:02:54] All those close ups It had clearly been bought out Like 40% of the audience by a church group And I saw like A weekend matinee Right And it was at the Disney Theater The Al Capitan in LA Okay Where before the movie They had an organist play
[01:03:07] A medley of songs Sounds nice And they did a laser Like indoor Planetarium show Okay Where they like projected stars Oh my god It was very bizarre And the movie had been out For like four weeks So there was like All this pump and circumstance
[01:03:22] To like an 11 AM Like Sunday screening That was mostly children And like group leaders Yeah It was a nice audience It was a nice audience They were very into the movie I just couldn't It is such a bizarre film In so many ways Yeah Yeah, it definitely is
[01:03:39] Love Zach Alfenakis in it I think he's great in it He's good Love Pine in it I like Pine in it No, I mean Pine is like I feel like the moment Where he was What was it? It was like the Oscars
[01:03:51] They were doing a song from Selma Yeah When he cried at Selma And he was crying I feel like it sent a signal To black people including me We want this man here I literally remember him Being hired by Ava For almost Because he just like
[01:04:06] Had to like Oh yeah, he used to date Zoe He's cravids And now he's crying And Jordane What is the common thread Between the Selma moment And Wrinkle in Time He's got that hot ass Grey beard He really does He looks so hot He looks so fucking good
[01:04:20] I know I assume in Wonder Woman 2 1984 He's just like Plucked out of time Or he's in her brain or something But like What if you updated him With a little beard You gave him an update I would love that That would be so good I also love that
[01:04:35] He's Spider-Man in Spider-Verse He's good Spider-Man Yes Who's like Yeah, Paragon Paragon Yeah What were you going to say? Sorry No, I was I was watching When I was rewatching The end of this movie this morning Just so that it was like fresh in my mind
[01:04:52] I was thinking so much about Have you all seen Atlantix? Yes Yes, I was just thinking so much about Another ghost story What Maddie Diab could have done With the material I think like if this movie was made now
[01:05:05] She's the person that I would want to do it That is the weird contradictory That movie has that kind of tactile ghost stuff too Yeah Well, I was going to say It's the weird contradictory nature of like It feels like the best adaptation of this movie
[01:05:17] I'm not playing mini series, but I feel like The best adaptation of this movie is probably The ultra low budget one Where you have to get very creative with limited resources And make something that is more Expressionistic You know, in that kind of way
[01:05:31] The stuff I like most in this movie Is like when Yeah Danny Glover shows up on the porch And she brings him in and he just sees the red light As we were talking about It's a very effective And very simple Little cinematic trick
[01:05:46] But there is a weird thing of like The most effective stuff in the movie And even when you have the scenes where The spirit is like attacking the house There's something kind of charmingly Like Analog about those effects Where you can tell it's just like pieces of furniture
[01:06:02] On strings It moves like a very simple sort of like It's funny because they don't do the Poltergeist stuff much after the first ten minutes And it is because Poltergeists are On screen inherently goofy Right Because it is just like Oh, like you know plates flying around
[01:06:16] There's something kind of like charming about how Low-fi all of that stuff feels In terms of the actual manipulation of The objects in the room and things like that And something like in Atlantix The most striking thing in that movie Is the way she uses mirrors
[01:06:30] Which is such a smart like no budget Solution For visualizing a very complicated thing That otherwise would probably be done with CGI If anyone was making that story on a larger scale And it's a thing where like this movie Doesn't cost that much
[01:06:43] But also you look at it And there are two massive movie stars in it Right In every scene And their costumes look so expensive And they're very expensive The Oscar nominated costumes And the house I mean all these elements in the film That are supposed to look Very
[01:06:59] Ramshackle Yeah Are Ramshackle in a very expensive Bespoke way Yeah You know That's a problem that I have with it It does have that like 90s Oscar movie kind of sheen Yeah Reading the book I think a lot about the feelings And a lot of the conflicts are
[01:07:16] Internal Like There's this sense that Denver and Sethi Want to be haunted And then when Paul Dee comes He gets rid of that haunting And The reason why Denver does not like him Is because That thing that she had That she somehow made her feel less alone
[01:07:37] Isn't there anymore There's just a man here instead And I feel like a lot of that stuff That dynamic is kind of excised And I think that that dynamic Is the root of the story And it gets excised for stuff That I don't think necessarily works
[01:07:53] Denver is just not a character in the film Until she needs to be Until the latter half Until the sort of the scene with her Grandma And Denver is the driving like thing in the book Like how she reacts to things Her relationship with Beloved
[01:08:06] When she realises that Beloved is actually her sister That scene's pretty excellent On Elise's part Yeah, and so there's all that stuff And then of course like Sethi's kind of like internal thing Is this idea of like She wants to be happy But she almost doesn't feel like
[01:08:22] She deserves to be happy Because of what she's been through And so like a lot of that internal stuff I almost feel That Demi I feel gets at In other movies He has trouble getting at it In this movie I think he was probably very tentative
[01:08:40] About his position as a white man Making this film I think he has talked about that he was like Sort of intimidated when she offered it to him And had to be talked into doing it Because he didn't feel like
[01:08:52] He was the right person to tell the story And only eventually signed on Because Oprah was so adamant That she thought he was So I think Especially if you're trying to get At the internal life You know and it is such a specific internal life
[01:09:07] That is so specific to like A culture and a history and a place And an existence that is so outside of his own I think he probably was afraid To tiptoe too much into it I think you're right that probably The best version of this movie
[01:09:20] Is a little more abstract with that Because Toni Morrison is a writer Who is so much about the internal life And that is a thing that is very hard to translate Literally into screenplay As you said like the flashbacks Are mostly just painful
[01:09:36] I don't like the sort of super saturation That he does and all that You know like the kind of like Can you tell this horrible past Is coming back to the right Like it always feels way too like sort of Obvious and I don't know
[01:09:49] Yeah I mean I have this issue a lot With like kind of like the way that Slave narratives I'm kind of of the opinion That most slave movies are bad Just because I don't feel like We've found a good way to make a good one yet
[01:10:01] And yes I include 12 years of slave in this I think it's bad So it's weird It was kind of making me think of the flashbacks Because I recently watched the Nate Parker Birth of a Nation Saw you tweeting about this Kind of for my to be
[01:10:14] Which have yeah Of that That movie stinks No offense to it I mean I offense to it I suppose It's real bad Yeah You were also saying Another movie that was made cheaply Obviously it was an independent film But also yeah has All those annoying tricks of like
[01:10:31] Dialing up the saturation Or things like that Just to convey like This is grim and brutal Hot and sweaty and things like that Yeah I just feel like there's something There's something more Like the way that Seth describes sweet home in the book In this idea of like
[01:10:48] You know on the one hand She's getting to have like a little bit Of joy on the other hand It's like a terrible situation Where she's dealing with these traumas And there's so much conflict In the way that she recalls that time
[01:11:01] And I don't catch any of that conflict In the movie Yeah maybe it's partly the Oprah problem Or whatever It's what you should have to contend with Is that she's sort of becoming the main character Right Partly is just her super start of And I don't yet
[01:11:15] You know what She's driving the project And maybe that's sort of an inherent problem It's like you're leading too much on her I think so much of her drive In making this film is I want to share this story With a larger audience
[01:11:28] I mean she viewed it in the way that she views Endorsing any book on her show Yeah And I mean I know about like After this movie when it didn't go well Like she was just It's not even that she was like mad
[01:11:41] At black people for not coming But she was just like disappointed She was like a teacher It's like I made this thing And it's like really And y'all didn't come out But it's also just like The way that it was packaged
[01:11:51] Kind of like the way that it was done It wasn't It doesn't really ease you in In a way that like For example the color purple did Because you know That's Spielberg That's like a His whole A lot of the genius of Spielberg
[01:12:05] It's that you can take this Really hard subject matter But he's like he's pulling you in Emotionally And he's kind of easing you into The like the harsher aspects Yeah I mean she's talked about When this movie came out And bombed It was the only time
[01:12:20] She has ever experienced depression in her life Well not the only No No she's She's talked about other Well I mean I think that this This was gonna read you this quote from Wikipedia Okay yeah What were you gonna say Sorry Well she had She's had some very
[01:12:34] I know she's had some traumatic life That's why She talked about how she ate mac and cheese all day And gained 30 pounds And then realized later That she was depressed Right but I do think that this was a huge Low point for her
[01:12:45] And I mean I think that that was part of I talked about this a little bit When I wrote about the women of Brewster Place Where it kind of feels like Black women in those stories Kind of had to move to television To get seen
[01:12:59] And I think that Oprah kind of After this movie was just like Okay well I'm just putting it on TV Yeah Because I feel like in If we would have asked her like a long time ago It's like oh what are you gonna
[01:13:10] If you're gonna make their eyes We're watching God with Halle Berry You'd want it to be on the big screen And instead it's not It's a movie that a lot of people have not seen It's just a television movie And the shift becomes
[01:13:22] Like she will loan her Oprah power To another filmmaker She will help assist them in getting the movie made Yeah She'll champion it But she's no longer driving the bus On her film projects Yeah And she starts acting again Essentially when she leaves Network TV
[01:13:38] When she moves to on And she starts doing the Daily Show I want to read you this quote Because I know Oprah has lived through A lot in her life I just I understand I'm sure she said something This is her quote
[01:13:47] She literally like left the suicide note I'm very aware I just want to read you her quote In her own word The quote She said it was the only time in my life That I was ever depressed And I recognize that I was depressed
[01:13:58] Because I've done enough shows on the topic Oh this is what people must feel Like who are depressed I just have to assume She means post-fame That's such a wild thing for her to say Right isn't it insane She's talked about Literally like I was so depressed
[01:14:13] I wrote a suicide note I'm very aware That's so weird I think if I got famous And then like Went on a talk show And it's just like Oh when this movie bombs Yeah I have never been through any struggle That's why it jumped out to me
[01:14:26] Because I'm like This is someone who's been very open With all the traumas of her life And how she built her life And she's the great empath And she's always explaining Her own experiences Against the experiences of people on the show I understand what you're saying
[01:14:37] Of course it's very She says it's the low point Of her entire career I mean the only time She's ever been depressed I think she really thought That this was going to be big She did Which is crazy And I don't mean that In a mean way exactly
[01:14:48] It's just sort of like How the sort of tunnel vision One might sort of get With these kinds of projects Because this is not a commercial film No It's very long It's melancholy And it's slow And it's sort of meandering And like It's not plotty
[01:15:03] Yeah I mean this kind of It's not a word of mouth movie Exactly It's like a very I noticed this a lot with like When an actor Or director Or producer Has this passion project When it comes out It's always now what they expected The gestation period
[01:15:17] The tunnel vision Everything But there's also this idea That like if it's very Very urgent for you to make it You assume that it's Very very urgent for everyone To see it Which is a great point That's probably the sort of The way she's thinking about it
[01:15:31] But remember I found Some quote from Demi Where he's like The movie made 22 million dollars It played fine And eventually got pulled from theaters Because Disney wanted the screens For the water bullet Which is wildly known Disney wanted the screens Which is like
[01:15:45] It's a whole other thing to think about Yeah And But like he's right Like this movie You know played Like an award Sort of like prestige movie He's like this movie's a failure Because it cost 80 million dollars And was promoted by Oprah And Disney But this film
[01:16:00] Making 22 million dollars Is kind of bizarre It's not a commercial film Yeah I think the thing was That this was like The time between color purple And this film Oprah just has this meteoric rise You know she was already a big deal But then she just becomes bigger
[01:16:15] And bigger and bigger culturally Every year after that And she was this person Who could kind of make anyone a star You know Could make any product successful Could make any book successful She could make careers Single-handedly And I think she believed Even though this was difficult
[01:16:31] Sure that I Uncommercial material That if I devote A week of shows If I spend months Talking about my involvement in this film That my audience will show up That my audience is so baked in That they will show up for this Yeah
[01:16:45] Well I think that's a miscalculation Of what people will read Versus what they watch But also There's the fact And I've been writing about this So it's fresh in my mind When the Oscars decided To go from 5 to 10 nominations Is when more black films
[01:17:03] Made their way into the Oscars Before that It was like I think there were only like four films With primarily black cast That were nominated for Best Picture I think it was like A soldier story Saunders Color purple One other ray I think ray was the other one
[01:17:22] Ray He's ray So it was like The thing about it is Is that now It's normal to see Like all of these like Prestige black films Of Bilsterica talk And all of these things But in the time That this was made
[01:17:36] It did not have the kind of audience Or the kind of award space That it would need to really Make an impact Yeah Well I think that was also like Part of the calculus of When there were black filmmakers Making films with black cast
[01:17:53] They would always hit a sort of Glass ceiling In terms of Oscar credibility Where it's like Singleton can get The best director nomination But Boys in the Hood Is not gonna get Best Picture It's not gonna get any acting nominations You know? And do the right thing
[01:18:08] Can get like screenplay But it's not gonna get director A picture and the only cast member Nominated is the white guy And in the 90s specifically There no black films Were nominated for Best Picture And also it was like Black people were mostly
[01:18:20] Out of the Oscars in the 90s With a few caveats Like honorary awards What's love got to do with it And like a couple things like that But for some reason The entire 90s is like Mostly a blank spot And it's an interesting time
[01:18:37] Because that was when a lot of Interesting experimental black films Were being made on a constant basis In the independent world It was kind of dropping up Right? You have your Just another girl in the IRTs And you can buy you and like, you know Cassie lemons Yeah
[01:18:53] What was the thing I was gonna say The other movie I kept on thinking About in relation to this Not as a film but as like A cultural thing Is Malcolm X Where the movie is announced And Warner Brothers has hired Norman Jewison
[01:19:07] Who at that time was viewed as The ally filmmaker He's the one filmmaker Who makes films about black people You know, consistently And Spike Lee led this big outcry Of like this should not be directed By a white man And it was like months of sort of
[01:19:21] Like public sort of debate about it And then Norman Jewison stepped down And Spike Lee made the film And the film was fairly successful And it also was like viewed as Oh, it's a Denzel thing And it didn't get the other Oscar nominations That it seemed to get
[01:19:36] You know, it was him very deliberately trying to make A big prestige movie Right, a big prestige movie But there was always that ceiling To some degree Oprah who is a very canny businesswoman I wonder if she thought You need a white director
[01:19:51] With a proven Oscar acceptance track record To be able to permeate that World at this point in time Well, that's what happened with color purple I understand what she would think about it And she got an Oscar nomination, of course And yes Let me read you something
[01:20:05] I found a sort of summary of the coffee table book Okay So there's a point at which Apparently Oprah You know, her acting style is Very empathetic and very right Like sort of emotional She's an emotional actress And as Demi diplomatically described Quote
[01:20:23] If Oprah had any work to do It was to not confuse her empathy with how Satha feels There was a scene in which Satha described what freedom feels like Demi was shooting around her And then sat down with Oprah And said, we're going to turn the camera around
[01:20:38] And shoot Danny today And we'll do you tomorrow And Oprah was totally crushed Because she's like, I know I'm blowing this Like I'm fucking this up Demi was trying to be sweet about it But Oprah could tell They were kind of like She's not figuring this out
[01:20:52] She's just being Oprah initially And then Toni Morrison came to set And watched one scene and said Why are you playing angry here? That character is not angry in this scene You know, like she's just watching Oprah And she's like, this isn't how I wrote this Yeah
[01:21:07] And when Free freaked out Went to her trailer and started crying It was like, Toni hates me And they had to be like Toni, go away You're freaking her out Like so like she was Waking this movie She was freaked out
[01:21:19] She was like, I can't get this wrong Yeah It's definitely, it's fascinating stuff Can I read you this quote that I found That I think is really interesting? This is her talking about the movie in 2013 Demi also says like, it was her movie
[01:21:31] And if she felt strongly about something I was fine to differ Cause talk about this idea of like You know Why did she think that this film could work On this budget level at this size Is a major Oscar thing, right? In 2013, Winfrey reflected on the film
[01:21:47] Saying to this day I asked myself Was it a mistake? Was it a mistake to not try and make it A more commercial film? Take some things out and tell the story differently So that it would be more palatable to an audience
[01:21:57] Well if you wanted to make a film That everybody would see Then that would be a mistake But at the time I was pleased with the film That we did because it represented To me the essence of the beloved book Which is the weird sort of like
[01:22:09] Nether Zone this movie has caught in Which like, it's a pretty literal Faithful adaptation of a thing That is hard to adapt literally It is pretty unsparing in terms of What it's doing and its lack of commercial concern It's buoyed by her confidence
[01:22:25] That she could make anything commercial So it doesn't sort of play the audience In a way that a more sort of satisfying Weepy Oscar film that probably Would not age well would have done at the time But it also is boosted up by
[01:22:39] The confidence of her being such An industry in and of herself That she didn't even conceive of the idea That may be the best way to make this movie Is for like five million dollars Right Even if it is with Demi
[01:22:50] To not burden it with that sort of pressure On itself I mean another thing I kept thinking about watching this Is the unmade Lin Ramsey Lovely Bones Where she talks about so much That she read that book She loved it She bought the rights herself
[01:23:06] Before the book became a big hit And spent like eight years trying to make that film In her like sort of Netherlands of her career after Morven Caller And was pretty close to getting it made And then Peter Jackson read the book And when I want this
[01:23:21] And Alice Sebold like you know ripped up the contract And was like well he's Peter Jackson We have to let him make it And that movie Yeah and Lin Ramsey talks about where she was like I mean that movie is bananas bad A nightmare
[01:23:33] But Lin Ramsey talks about she was like I loved the book But I also understood there was no way To make a literal adaptation of it Right And the larger the scale on the budget became The more you would have to distort What the book was actually about
[01:23:46] In order to make it more commercial And she was like my My version of it was very abstract Which I think is the only way it would work And Peter Jackson talks about Like making the film Like how many of his decisions were Business minded
[01:23:59] He was like well I love this book But obviously that doesn't work in a movie That costs a hundred million dollars You know that immediately that calculus Had to happen Of like well they're letting me use all the CGI I feel obligated to make a movie
[01:24:11] That could possibly do well Which is this contradictory thing With a book like this Where you kind of can't burden it with that Which is such a wild thing to hear from The person who made heavenly creatures I know But it's like What a great example of like
[01:24:25] You can't go home again You know when he announced that he was making that You're like oh my god Is Peter Jackson going to go back to Heavenly Creatures mode Right And then you're like wait no Like what are digital Why does it have so many special effects
[01:24:35] Right It costs a hundred million dollars Why is a ship in a bottle crashing through the window Or whatever all that shit Like all this shit Another movie that Mark Wahlberg seems very anxious To be in He's just like why am I here And was also Passed like
[01:24:47] Right ten days before it started filming His Ryan Gosling was too fat Well he got fat to make up For how young he felt he was It was one of those things where people were like I heard he got fired Because he gained a weird amount of weight
[01:24:58] And then people were like No he did And then like a year later Like yeah no that's what it was It was really weird He felt like he was too young Peter Jackson was like I think you're the guy Right He gained a lot of weight
[01:25:08] And made himself look shitty To try to look older Right And then Peter Jackson was like What's your take on the character And he's like It's like an overweight depressed guy Like he grew a beard Yeah And got really soft Right And then he was like
[01:25:22] This is not my take on the character And then fired him I Wow that's amazing Very weird Yeah Yeah The bigness of them Like I think I keep on thinking about like I don't know Like how I would imagine Their eyes were watching God Which I feel like
[01:25:40] Is like a very you know Small personal story And I was just like Oh my god What if their eyes were watching God adaptation Like this beloved adaptation Yeah Like there's so much Like ugh I'm actually surprised There I guess it's just because
[01:25:53] Morrison has held on to her rights But that there hasn't been Another Morrison adaptation Yeah I would really like There to be one now I feel like now that Right there's a lot of people out there Who could take a swing Yeah Yeah and they're just like
[01:26:07] A lot of really interesting Black women directors that are making Like Deeree's making mudbounds Like Yeah I feel like she could do a Tony Morrison Definitely Maddie Diaposite said Oh yes Oh yeah definitely her Yeah I feel like it's The time And I kind of It's just
[01:26:26] I mean I love Toni Morrison I like cried when she died But it's like It would have been so great If we would have been able to get Another one Like right She could see But I think now It would be a pretty opportune time To do it
[01:26:41] Especially so that we can Maybe move Cause I mean As much as I have issues with Beloved It was Refreshing to watch it Because it was not like All of the movies about Cops That I've been seeing Like Sure Very tired of seeing Cops
[01:26:59] Like I would just love to see Black people do something That has nothing to do With cops But there are 21 Bridges There are 21 At least got a close 21 bridges You know this right Is that there are 17 bridges In and out of New York And the movie was initially
[01:27:14] Called 17 Bridges That was about Like you gotta raise All the bridges Or whatever There are also Four tunnels out of New York So if you add it You got 21 exits Right And I think They just suddenly announced That the movie was called 21 Bridges Yeah Without explanation
[01:27:30] And what data Cruncher was like Audiences like 21 More than they like 17 Just make it happen It should have been called 17 Bridges and four tunnels Right Really specific List the tunnels Maybe it was too close There was that movie 16 blocks Make sure Like 17 Just the 17 bridges 16 blocks, 17 bridges
[01:27:47] 18 tunnels, 19 fairies Let's just keep going But yeah I'm just kind of tired Like Naomi Harris recently Which is another actress That was kind of like Black and blue Right Like Tandy Newton, Kimberly Elise Naomi Harris They were all kind of Plugging away at around The same time Yeah
[01:28:05] I was like Oh my god Naomi Harris is doing something Post moonlight Her first lead role ever And then it's just like Black and blue And it's like her entire ease And I'm just I'm tired Black and blue is a real crowd Source title too Yeah
[01:28:20] You know cause the cops That's blue And she's black We're done right Like I have The two of you Have seen that film I have not Okay So I saw it Is there any reason You saw it good Cause I'm a big Naomi Harris She's great Naomi Harris
[01:28:35] And I also I'm quite a huge Tyrese Stan Largely because of the Fast and Furious franchise Tyrese is very funny But I always like I wish he did more Film work Yeah baby boy I mean remember when He sort of started acting And it was like
[01:28:49] Oh this guy's gonna be Something You know what great Tyrese movie you should watch What Waste deep I don't know if you've seen Waste deep I rewatched it recently Cause I was reviewing Queen and Slim Waste deep is the Better queen and slim Avonby I believe that
[01:29:04] It's a Vondie Curtis Hall It's a Vondie Curtis Hall I believe it's his glitter Follow Like it's his first movie After glitter It's so well cause Glitter is so bad But Waste deep is so good Waste deep And gridlocked Vondie Curtis Hall Making another movie Vondie Yeah
[01:29:18] Casey Liman's husband I believe Yes he is I wanna say I kinda like Black and Blue Fair enough Oh is it good It's kind of good Okay well I'm gonna watch it I was just like I mean I'm gonna watch That shit on HBO I was just like
[01:29:33] Okay I'm going to the movies I'm gonna see this thing About a cop again Yeah totally But like That's It's good to hear that it's good It's not great Sure But I think it's a pretty Interesting balance between Well I think they're also just Yes
[01:29:47] If we can just keep talking About black actors Who like Fully prove their bona fides And then get ignored by Hollywood David Yellowo Yes Also didn't he have a cop movie This year with like Time Travel or something Yes he did Don't let go Don't let go
[01:30:00] Right with Storm Reid Yes Wrinkle in Time Blumhouse is so weird Well they're like Do a big roll out for certain movies And they're just like You have to see this And then there's stuff like Don't let go or Blumhouse is like Well here it is Yeah Anyway
[01:30:14] I think it premiered at Sunday It was a different title Different title and it was A very different cut It was called Relive When it was at Sunday From the director of Mean Creek That's true I did not know that Everything about that movie is weird
[01:30:27] And it was like a weird The movie Blumhouse dump that also wasn't Released by Universal Which almost every other Blumhouse film is That's weird Yeah The other thing that That guy made was a movie called The Details Which has a poster where a piano
[01:30:42] Is gonna fall on Tobi McGuire's head Oh yes I've seen that one You've seen this? Yes This does not seem like a real movie I watch a lot of not real movies Like this seems like you would put The DVD and the DVD would be just like
[01:30:54] Playing trailers and you keep Prissing menu And the DVDs like Cannot perform function You're like come on where's the movie? And it just never plays Well it's one of those things Tobi McGuire is like playing against type As a dick But then when you find out that he's
[01:31:06] Kind of like a dick in real life It's like oh is he putting himself Sure, sure Not as interesting Yeah Tobi McGuire, Elizabeth Banks Dennis Haysbert, Ray Leo to Kerry Washington, Laura Linney It's one of those like You know there are those indie movies
[01:31:18] I feel like at the beginning of Sunday And it was like Throw a bunch of actors in a thing And we're gonna all watch it But now it's like Throw a bunch of actors in a thing And nobody's gonna watch it Right
[01:31:27] And there'll be three that they do But most of them they don't But the more big name actors In a Sundance movie in a way The more it's signaled that It's probably a turkey You're one with two really good performances Yeah, I'm thinking of one like
[01:31:40] Called like Butter Where it's something about like a sm- I remember Butter It's about a butter sculpting competition It was like a blacklist script Where everyone in the cast Was like a huge name That was very much one of those That the Happy Texas is Right
[01:31:53] You know where it's like Coming out of Sundance Or Telly Ride Or whatever And people are like Oh this is, no, no, no This is good And like Hugh Jackman's the fifth lead Yeah, he's the I think he's the and I think he got an and
[01:32:05] I mean pretty good I feel like the only recent movie That I can think of Where it's like Throw a bunch of people in And it's good Is like Logan Lucky Love Logan I mean great take Great great movie Sodaberg's good at that though
[01:32:16] And when he puts a lot of people In a movie It's an eclectic bunch Like it feels like He's curated pretty well Right The cast Yeah Loved, loved Daniel Craig's Southern accent Didn't realize that the fake Southern accent Is just his thing now He loves it
[01:32:30] He loves to put it on Like an old smoking jacket He loves sounding like Like Foghorn Leghorn Yes he does And I'm from Georgia And so I'm like I'm like a cop of like Southern accents I'm just like What region are you supposed to be from?
[01:32:43] He gets away with it By just being There's the name He's just so He's so strange He's so weird And he commits to it so much Right And I also think that He's tired of being boring I feel like He's just new thing now
[01:32:55] I think he's just like I never want to be James Bond If I can help it I want to be as goofy as possible I want to be funny I want to be funny Here's some other things about Beloved I want to tell you guys
[01:33:03] Can I ask one question Very quickly about Knives Out Before we move on? Alright Why doesn't he have a mustache in them? I don't know Maybe they put one on him And it looked terrible He's looked good with a mustache before He should have a mustache Right
[01:33:17] Watching that performance Needs a mustache Maybe do you think it's Just because Well do you think it's just Because then it's too parro-y Like it's like What's parro famous for? The stash Maybe you could give him a different mustache I'd settle for a beard
[01:33:30] Or a goatee of Andi But you remember how Obviously parro he's got the mustache And then like Finny When he does it He's got the little mustache Very curled And then so Branna was like Rather than scale back We're scaling up Two mustaches My mustache is right
[01:33:43] It's exactly A double layer mustache So maybe they saw that And we're like No we can't top that I just My biggest complaint with Knives Out Is I'm watching and I'm like That is Daniel Craig He needs a mustache I needed to have that face A little hidden
[01:33:58] Here's some beloved facts Lauren Hill was the original choice To play beloved Interesting And had to drop out because she was pregnant Lauren Hill often pregnant Obviously had several children In this time That would have been a really interesting take It would have been She's great in like
[01:34:12] The few movies that she's in Yeah she is And this is sort of the end Of Lauren Hill as like Major star before This is what she sort of appears She begins her sort of Public recluse kind of right Let's see Right this was right at the time
[01:34:24] Where she was at the top of the world Before she sort of pulls a little bit Sister Act II She's great in Sister Act II Is Sister Act II better than Sister Act I Is that one of those? I think they're different movies They're different movies
[01:34:36] I've only ever seen them Yeah just like different Tones Yeah okay Rachel Portman did two scores For the film And one of them was entirely thrown out Wow I don't know I don't have a lot here That's actually all the trivia I found Alright fine
[01:34:53] Tak Fuji Mono Shodded of course Demi's usual guy Gary Goatsman I don't know It came out in October It made a little bit of money Got an Oscar nomination and that was that And Oprah ate a lot of mac and cheese And felt really bad Right she said
[01:35:07] I mean we'll get to the box house game She said that I've never had a child And this is the closest thing I have To a child And that she ate 40 kinds of mac and cheese Which is a wow thing to say about a movie That Yeah
[01:35:16] I feel like now the perspective on Beloved is like It's not a bad movie It's an interesting artifact of its time Yeah It's a bit of a noble failure perhaps Right You know like It's not like you watch it and you're like
[01:35:27] Oh my god what a train wreck You know like It's more just sort of like Oh I can see why this didn't work I can see things about it that are interesting But you also you never hear anyone Artantly defending it No but it's not like It's like
[01:35:39] People don't roll their eyes and go Oh it was an Oprah Vanity thing No not at all Sucked Like it doesn't have that tap And I don't really think her choices were really Driven by vanity either No no no
[01:35:50] No I think she just didn't know how to make Something small at this point Yeah And I think she wanted Toni Morrison to have an adaptation that big Yeah You know I think there was a certain nobility In her saying this needs to be a major film
[01:36:04] This needs to be a major studio Picture Yeah But then you watch the movie And like the second shot in it Is a dog being slammed against a wall And it's eyeball falling out of the socket The first few minutes right with the eyeball Yeah The sort of
[01:36:22] The milking flashback is almost immediate Yeah Some of the most intense stuff is very early The first 30 minutes you're like This is a movie The sort of gushing pee scene Remember that This is the signs of the Lambshell maker
[01:36:34] Like this is him making the same sort of visceral horror Yeah And then the but I love bugs On a person I love that trick Uh huh You know in Candy Man Great movie When he has all the bees on him Those are just bees
[01:36:47] Like you can't fake that Maybe now you could But back then you couldn't So he just has fucking bees on him What's the 2000 horror movie Where the bugs keep on landing on the woman's eye The bugs keep on landing on the woman's eye That's something from like
[01:36:58] I mean sounds horrible A horror movie I'm forgetting That's how you know she's evil I think you just like have to put sugar all over yourself The bug lands on her eye and she doesn't blink Or whatever Yeah It's from something
[01:37:07] Um but yeah it does settle down after that though And that becomes mostly about two people in a house They're gonna have their paths But then there's the very long flashback sequence with uh Lisa Gay Hamilton No no no Oh yeah well yeah
[01:37:22] Yeah Lisa Gay Hamilton is young beloved But the white woman Denver Is not young beloved I mean young Sethie Yeah Um she's good actually She is Yeah Only ten years younger than Oprah It's kind of a choice to have someone play that character
[01:37:37] Like you compare this to the Irishman Right Where they're like no it has to be the same person playing every age Technology be damned I love that it's Lisa Gay Hamilton I do too And I also think that she looks close enough to Oprah where it makes sense
[01:37:51] It's just funny that like That even oh if the character is ten years younger you cast a different person I miss that bring that back Yeah I like having multiple actors play the same character Yeah I mean it's great in moonlight Yeah it fucking rules
[01:38:04] I agree this is the whole thing I don't mind the Irishman do your thing It's fine like get a shot But like I agree it's like We are all used to the cinematic convention of like I understand that this is younger age Yeah
[01:38:15] It's been done for a hundred years We're used to it And I also understand that if you put a shitty wig on Robert De Niro I'll go okay I get it he's fifty now Exactly If you want him to play the fifty year old version
[01:38:25] If you want to see him beat the shit out of someone on a curb Maybe you want a higher young guy Yeah That Everyone's going to talk about that I kind of love that scene No I mean I love the movie
[01:38:34] But I also saw it like drunk at Alamo Draft House Where I could watch movies in the middle of the night And it was just like I mean it was so great But I feel like if I was watching it at home
[01:38:45] In a Netflix environment where I could pause Then I would have noticed So now I kind of want to go home I'm going to rewatch it on Netflix People have been talking about that scene And I don't remember it being What I've watched in the theater was
[01:38:57] He's kicking the shit out of the guy It scares his daughter I got it Yeah And yeah then people post the gif and I'm like Yeah okay I see that he's like Yeah a mile off the guy's face when he kicks him But whatever
[01:39:07] But I think that also James Cohn punches the guy in the godfather And misses him I think that speaks to the immersion Of watching something in a theater Where you're like so involved in the story That by the moment a scene like that happens
[01:39:21] You are caught up in the context of the thing And you're not as focused on the details Whereas if you're watching it on Netflix It's a three and a half hour movie And you're probably checking your phone a bunch Of taking breaks and watching with other people
[01:39:33] Or talking or whatever it is By the time that scene comes up You're like what the fuck is going on Those are not the shoulders of a 30 year old man Yeah Which flashback were you talking about David? The kicking Kickin He's kicking outside the grocery store
[01:39:51] No no no in Beloved Oh the Lisa Gett Hamilton flashback Amy Denver, Amy Denver The white woman who saves her Long and crazy Okay okay it's so weird Out of all of the flashbacks to spend so much time on The white woman one was such the weirdest choice
[01:40:08] And it feels almost like a dream You're like who is this character It's in the book I know that's why she's called Denver It was just like a weird And this character is so big She was making me think of Amy Poehler Bizarre performance
[01:40:20] And then she's like I've got a boat over here Like come over here It's like yes all that things happened But in terms of the things that we need to know Like if you're like Sethi that That's not the traumatic part
[01:40:32] Is when she met a wild white lady who had a boat And it's like I mean that's how Denver was named But that's something that you mentioned in a book Like it makes sense in the book But in the movie it really does
[01:40:41] It's not like any one of the movies is like But why is she called Denver It's also just like the milk Like what's interesting reading the book Is that the build up To finding out about her milk getting taken And her being like assaulted
[01:40:56] And a lot of build up to it when she reveals it She's very upset The aftermath of it is really huge Like that's a big reveal And in the movie it's just like this Weird bizarre flashback And it's like no this was an assault And this needs time
[01:41:12] Yeah They feel so much more stylized Than the present tense I do not like the stylized Oh yeah no I don't And then there's that scene where like Wes Bentley and Jude Chickachela Are looking on in horror Having murdered a child That mostly focuses on their faces
[01:41:29] I also think that scene is sort of strangely calibrated I don't like that scene I think they're all strangely calibrated All the performances were weird And there's also we haven't talked at all about Hill Harper who was kind of like a big deal in the 90s
[01:41:40] And really is not a big deal anymore But Hill Harper plays her Hally plays her ex the one who deserts her And I honestly feel like There should have been more time with Hill Harper Very little of that That's the thing in the book there is like
[01:41:56] You learn about their entire courtship And then basically like I mean the movie says this but like He goes crazy because he sees this Terrible thing happen to her And part of it is because he realizes He cannot protect her And so that's a whole thing
[01:42:09] It's like oh I cannot protect this woman I don't how can I build a life with her If I can't protect her from these white people If I can't give her a home If I can't make her feel safe Like that's a whole thing
[01:42:21] And I think so much of set these trauma Is like tied up in that That I just think that it deserved more time And there need to be less time with kind of like The sensationalism of it
[01:42:32] Well and they trade it sort of just like a plot twist Without ever giving you any sense of who he was as a guy Yeah he was like a great guy Like the way that she loved him very much And like he deserts her
[01:42:46] I mean she's angry and she has a right to be angry But he deserts her because He realizes how powerless he is as a black man And how he cannot be the kind of husband That he wants to be for her
[01:42:58] And I think that Hill Harper could have done that work If they would have given him space to do that work Right It's also that thing of like if you show him At his best If you have any scenes of him and young
[01:43:10] Satha where you understand their relationship His absence will mean more to the audience Yes exactly Than just having him exist as a name that's mentioned With sort of resentment You know you want to be able to like dramatize Why he was important Yeah
[01:43:25] It's also wild that the first scene in the movie Is her son's running away Yeah Because it's so disorienting to have that be the first thing In the movie Is that the first thing in the book? I don't remember that being the absolute first thing It's early
[01:43:37] It's early she mentions it but the son's moving away Isn't like a super important thing It's not a big deal Like when Danny Glover shows up He's like I get it Right You're gonna move on sometimes Also you live in a haunted house which is scary Yeah
[01:43:52] Yeah the son's moving away was a weird way to start it The opening is just very disorienting Perhaps intentionally And the rest of the movie is not No The rest of the movie is much more ruminative And like exposition is sort of given out
[01:44:05] You know Albert Hall shows up He's good Unfolds the little newspaper You know like I like those scenes Fine Yeah I don't know Is there anything else we I like the ghost stuff the best Just because I like ghost stuff The ghost stuff is good
[01:44:21] There should have been more ghosts And it's the stuff that feels the most cinematic Yeah You know that's most unique to this work Being translated into this medium Right Let's play the box office game Okay now I know what beat it Because when Oprah tells her story
[01:44:36] About how depressed she was I don't know You don't know I know I think you think you know Oh was that not number one No Okay cause her anecdote was She said I just remember That weekend when it came out Being told you're getting beaten
[01:44:48] By something called Chuckie And I was so depressed And ate 40 pounds of mac and cheese 30 pounds Sorry But you're telling me the Bride of Chuckie Was not number one at the box office It was number two Okay Bride of Chuckie opened that week To 11 million dollars Okay
[01:45:02] It's a fun movie Yeah good fun John Waters is in it He's in two Chuckie films He's also in It's in Seed Seed of Chuckie That movie came out It made 11 million dollars We're gonna guess the top five Of the Griffin's creep
[01:45:16] Who knows the box office from every single weekend Yeah I like to creep on those box office charts So beloved opened at number five It's at number five It opened to 8 million dollars Okay In mid-October Crazy Ended up at 22 And Demi says Sort of a regular performance
[01:45:31] Demi and Oprah say that their The claim was The film was not connecting Disney had the water boy Which was coming out Was tracking very big So they wanted to hand over screens Yes And what they promised Oprah and Demi Was that they were gonna take
[01:45:42] The movie out of theaters primarily And then when they expected that The Oscar nominations would come in They would re-release it Which they did do But much smaller than probably So they really sit in March after it Had only gotten one nomination Which is best costumes
[01:45:55] And it did an additional like 300,000 dollars at number 12 At the box office and then was done But opening weekend five Okay And Bride of Chuckie Indeed number two Number two New comic take on the Chuckie universe It was beaten by Chuckie Just not in first position Correct exactly
[01:46:10] But number one I just like her saying something called Chuckie Number one is a movie that I really like Ooh They sent a book It's a new movie this week Okay Two actresses What did you do this weekend? Thirteen Thirteen It's not a huge weekend It's October
[01:46:29] In October it's not like a hot time It is a spooky movie Sort of That's not a horror film Horror is too strong Okay I would say Spooky Made 46 million dollars in America Eventually Based on a book Two women star Two female stars Is it practical magic?
[01:46:49] It's practical magic It's practical magic What do we think of practical magic? Never seen it Rude I know you love it It's a wine Let's bring the girls in It's a Nancy Meyers movie Except it's about two women who can't Stop killing and resurrecting their boyfriend
[01:47:05] Well I've always said Griffin Dunn is the wine No Nancy Meyers Genuinely like both of them are basically like I just keep either killing or resurrecting My boyfriend Yeah And you know these dark forces that I'm allied with They're really fucking up my plan to raise a kid
[01:47:22] And live in a nice house Sounds pretty impractical to me So practical magic Okay number one Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman more In like sort of her like you know Sort of sultry phase 90's Nicole Kidman right Number three Is an animated film Okay
[01:47:40] I'm just giving you that to see with you Ants Yes I figured that's all you needed Yeah Ants Man that soundtrack was burning up my disk man At that point What's on the soundtrack? The score for ants Listen to it all the time
[01:47:54] And who composed the score for ants great doll Ooh great question That's a movie that I have trouble rewatching Oh is there anything up with that? Wait is there anyone weird involved with it Or anything like that It's also just like a very sexual movie
[01:48:08] Once you realize like once you're an adult And you realize what everybody's talking about And specifically who is talking And then it's just like kids watch I will say this So insane the kids watch I think it's a well-written film Written by Chris White and Paul White
[01:48:22] It is very bizarre Katzenberg was famously on one In the 90's about like Trying to fuck Pixar right Right like he When Pixar came in with Toy Story And he was like oh my god Here's a new animation studio That doesn't have the reputation that Disney does
[01:48:35] He was like I want to make a very adult Animated film And he almost fucked up Toy Story And then they backed off And rekindle control over it So when he goes over to DreamWorks Ants feels like him being like
[01:48:46] See this is what I was trying to make the whole time And everyone's like okay It also looks terrible It looks real cruddy They rushed it CGI obviously They wanted to beat A Bug's Life Even though they started animation A year after Bugs Life
[01:49:02] And now A Bugs Life isn't even really That well regarded so all that No it's crazy although Bugs Life Slaps But yes Ants is very weird Number three at the box Who are the composers? Two Henry Gregson Williams Well Harry he goes by Harry
[01:49:20] That's one of the two Fuck Give me some credit for getting one of the two Good job The second one more or less with a name Similar It's not David Newman No but that vibe It's not David Demby No that David Just like a David Newman type
[01:49:38] He's still working He's a guy He's like a replacement level composer He's a replacement level composer You know what I mean And not to be rude to him I've actually liked some scores he's done Has he ever gotten an Oscar nomination? That I'm gonna have to look up
[01:49:52] Once For his best score And then another animated score It's another animated score Yes And it's not A Disney or a Pixar I would imagine Dreamworks Much like this It's a Dreamworks Was it Prince of Egypt? No This is taking too long It's John Powell Oh okay
[01:50:14] I was like this is actually not that interesting Yeah it's not that interesting It's John Powell He did the How to Train Your Dragon score With all the bagpipes and stuff Oh I love how you train your drag That's a good score
[01:50:24] That's the thing everyone loves in that movie People love that score Yeah Yeah you're total freak anyway We'll be Alan's the star of the movie It's fucking insane Yep very bizarre And also Sylvester Stallone Trying to for a low pass Gene Hackman has like a completely Christopher Walken
[01:50:37] Ann Bancroft Sharon Stone Everyone's like playing That's so weird And Danny Glover Danny Glover And I remember the scene where he has to become Like a soldier ant And they have to go fight the termites And the termites are like ten times bigger than them Yes
[01:50:49] And I was like this is This is wild Like this is kind of grim Dan Akbride and Jane Curtin play wasps Yeah But the joke is that they're wasps And also they're wasps They're like wasps Yeah So you've seen Which is It's a pretty good joke
[01:51:04] I remember they eventually get like stomped by a sneaker It's really weird That's pretty good Number four Okay Is a big comedy Huge comedy of the year Action comedy Rush Hour Yeah That's right That's correct Yeah Round on the table Nat Chan, Chris Tucker Tom Wilkinson
[01:51:24] I don't know what he is so quickly Oh, it's a second disgusting He's a terrible person Go right to jail Yeah Now he can tell you how we know It's actually cute Well, yeah My dad and that My dad loves sports scores Read them with my brother
[01:51:39] I didn't like sports The equivalent became me and my father reading the box office together Every Monday morning Before I went to school That's so cute It's very burning my memory Because they're emotional connection And I still It's not mostly what my father and I talk about
[01:51:51] But we're still constantly talking about the box office Although David and I do that now as well We spend an hour on a Saturday night Texting about the box office performance At the Playmobil movie Oh my That movie That movie Have you seen it?
[01:52:05] I have not, have you? No I kind of want to now Only because it's belly flopped so hard I don't know why they decided to make it Especially because like The second Lego movie didn't do well Well, the second Major Lego Batman
[01:52:21] The fourth Lego movie it makes more sense Ninjago didn't do well Yeah Only two of them did well Should have stopped at Lego Batman Lego Batman was great Lego Batman's a masterpiece Yes Thank you for your perfect opinions But No, they announced this movie
[01:52:37] Right after the first Lego movie got made Oh my god And the Playmobil movie has gone through Like six directors and 27 writers And four release date shifts It's so funny because I didn't know what it was And I moved in With my boyfriend
[01:52:50] And he put like these little figurines On the bookcase They're Playmobil? And I took a picture of them And I was just like Kyle has Legos And then somebody was just like A bunch of people are going to get very mad at you That is Playmobil
[01:53:03] I was like I don't know the different Wow They're little people Yeah Little people with faces Different faces though I did not know that they were a thing Until somebody on Twitter told me Mostly a European thing I never had Playmobil
[01:53:19] Oh see, I had a ton of them But I attribute that to having a European mother A French mama Yeah, Kyle spent a lot of his time In the Netherlands Which maybe That's where they're from Here are some of the other movies It's just a great 90s weekend
[01:53:33] Practical magic and Bride of Chuck being great Figuring 98 And Ant All of them For a shower, everything What dreams may come Robin Williams goes to heaven Ah, I've seen that one And it's like a big old gloop Another big Like passion project Sort of belly flop
[01:53:48] Although it did better Yeah, it did okay It's a really Kind of a dreary movie Yeah, it is A Night at the Roxbury Oh man Yeah It's a whole movie Those guys from the sketch Yep A movie I loved I would be scared to re-watch Who made it?
[01:54:10] Well, the credit director Is like someone But the actual I believe the story now is that Amy Hecker actually directed it Yeah Yeah, and all the stuff Going on with that Urban Legend What if there was horror About those stories That you hear I love bad horror franchises
[01:54:33] And I can't deal with Urban Legend at all It's below It's a little The concept is just ungraspable It's like Urban Legend is kind of like Candyman And then it's like Academic, right? It's like She's a student And she's investigating these stories We tell But Candyman is like
[01:54:50] She's investigating a specific folk tale And Urban Legend is just like Like, you know, the story of There's a guy in the back seat Like That What if that was a horror Guy Who kills you The most interesting thing about those movies Is that Loretta Divine
[01:55:04] Is in more than one of them Weird Urban Legends Final Cut I'm trying to remember the other Urban Legends Yeah, she's in the first one And she's in the second one Fair enough And then Ronan Sort of an underrated, fun You know, dumb Yeah
[01:55:18] But also dumb smart action movie Right And then Holy Man An e-burphy as a guru I've never watched that all the way through And I also mix it up a lot With the Golden Child Because I'm sure That's true He's made sort of multiple special
[01:55:33] Like I'm the special one movie That felt like too Like he was on such an incredible comeback run Because like The first half of the 90s were not good for him And then it was like Nutty Professor, Doctor Do Little Eddie's back Oh fuck, what's this
[01:55:45] And then he makes this movie with like The Bar Coast Coaster Who's into this? Every ten years I love gurus, another one Where they're like Let's do a guru movie No one likes gurus No Even if you're making fun of them Yeah Anyway We're done Holy Man
[01:56:01] We did the box office game We're done talking about beloved Yeah It is, I think it's I think it's an interesting movie That's sort of what I can get at I think that there are fascinating things about it There are good performances in it
[01:56:13] But it does not all the way come together I was sort of firing it up Not knowing quite Like when I was like You know, who knows I know there are people who value this movie They're definitely heard People like sort of stick up for it
[01:56:24] And I was like Oh yeah, maybe this is one of those Kind of buried gem type movies But not quite No And you're like Probably the thing now would be For Oprah to get rights to Yes And identify other filmmakers And hand them to people
[01:56:40] And do them on own as miniseries I desperately want her to produce movies again Mostly because of the two-headed monster That is Lee Daniels and Tyler Perry Driving me insane Must be slayed We need to throw a woman in there Yes Because I'm just like I'm tired
[01:56:56] Also, did you see I mentioned this I think before we started recording That Lee Daniels is doing The Terms of Endearment Remake with Oprah And I'm just like Why Lee Daniels of all people Can someone please stop it Are they doing it for TV or theatrical?
[01:57:10] No, they're doing it theatrical And who's playing the daughter Have they announced that? The only person that attaches Oprah Like God knows Wow, I did not know this But he is currently made He's filming a Billie Holiday movie That I believe is due out this year
[01:57:24] I mean next year This year when it was 2020 Yeah With who playing Billie Holiday? Someone, uh, Andrew Day Oh yeah She's like big in like Kind of like theater music circles And stuff like that So I'm assuming she's being chosen For her talent For her singing
[01:57:40] Yeah, she can sing But Trevante Rhodes is in it I love him Divine Joy Randolph is in it I don't know, Natasha Lyon is in it Hey Yeah, Natasha Lyon really getting around these days Hopping up Yeah So he's back You know In the feature world
[01:57:55] In terms of making movies But yeah, yeah But he's been producing stuff It's like him and Tyler Perry Are like the big two Like they throw their weight behind something It's going to happen And then Oprah does it every once in a while
[01:58:05] But it's almost like she's just like a little gun shy Because of what happened with Beloved I think it might be Did she produce Selma? Was she like an executive producer on that? She was She was And like in Selma Like that's the kind of stuff
[01:58:17] That I want from her Selma is great She's great in Selma And that's It's her finding a very Like an interview director Who's never made a movie of that scale But is obviously talented Getting them into the studio system You want her to sort of extend
[01:58:29] Her power in that kind of way Right, because I think like In terms of like Own Own has been really great In terms of getting a lot of Like female filmmakers Into direct episodes of Greenleaf And Queen Sugar And it's just like Okay, like put them on
[01:58:43] The big screen Right, you sort of have a farm team now Who you should be able to I forgot the other movie she recently produced Was The Hundred Foot Journey Yes, I did I did see that And I was confused by that Was that a book club?
[01:58:55] It was a book So I assumed she optioned it Yeah, wow She loves those books The only movies Harpo Films Has produced Beloved, Great Debaters, Precious Hundred Foot Journey, Selma And Precious was Her and Lee Daniels coming on as producers After the movie was bought at Sunday
[01:59:10] I believe that's right That was the weird thing was it was like It was Push Right, it was like the movie Never forget that that movie Had to change its title Because of the superhero movie Push Starting Chris Evans Everyone's favorite Third favorite Chris Evans superhero franchise
[01:59:23] But yeah I came on Like when I decided to come on To talk about this movie I came on Ready Guns Blazing Beloved Best movie ever Underrated I wanted to discover it And then like And then I rewatched it And I was just like
[01:59:39] Not quite, but I'm glad that we're talking about it Yeah, glad we're talking about it And not if you want to revisit it There's things to find in it There are And thank you so much for coming on this episode Jardine Oh yeah
[01:59:50] People should listen to Bad Romance pod You and Bronwyn and Ariel Isaac Who is a great comedian Yeah, and we I'm trying to think By the time this episode comes out We'll have already done our live show Because it's in January But we're doing a live show
[02:00:02] Where we're doing Love actually At Union Hall So after so I mean I hope that you went Maybe A film that I presume If you're covering it on the podcast You have similar opinions to David and I Yes It's a toxic waste dump We Yes, we're Yeah, we
[02:00:22] Feel the same way about it It's a psychological health Yes Yes, very much so I despise that movie But Fun to rat Fun to bounce ideas off of that one Anyway, thank you so much for joining us Thank you so much Thanks for having me
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[02:01:18] Right in about By the time this will be out My queen and slim piece Will be out And I'm working on some other things And the piece that I kept referencing About this decade in black film Will be out by then Definitely check that out Yeah Very exciting
[02:01:32] It's a new decade now Right now? I mean, when this will be out Oh, by the time this That's, we'll be in the A new decade 2020 Everything will be so clear to us It's going to be great Things will go great Yeah
[02:01:44] I think it's going to be instantaneous I think the ball will drop And everyone will go Oh, is this What's all this money in my bank account Wow This is how we should behave It all makes sense Alright, wrap it up Okay, thank you all for listening
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[02:02:16] I tricked you He's back on the show To talk about that Incredibly, incredibly strange Very strange film Keep truckin' with Demi Keep truckin' with Demi Are we on to Toy Story commentaries By this point? Or are we still in Star Wars? No, we're still in Star Wars
[02:02:33] Check out the Patreon We're talkin' Wars, baby Yeah We're back in the wars Maybe we're going to Disney World soon I hope so God, we have to talk about this Great Alright In the episode Okay Alright, bye Bye Thank you all for listening Thank you all for listening
[02:02:50] And as always We gotta talk about Disney World plans now Okay, bye The best thing about that movie Is that the girl who sings All I Want For Christmas is You Goes on to voice Marceline On Adventure Time Really? That was my introduction to her
[02:03:10] Marceline the vampire queen? Yeah I met her at DragonCon And I fangirled out See, I'm a princess bubblegum guy Bossy round face Bossy round face Good ruler Try this Good ruler I don't know about that either Tries to be All of her citizens are candy She learns
[02:03:28] She learns She learns But at one point she turns back into a baby She's gonna get done with that I'll totally come back To just re-brow her self I'll come back to talk about Adventure Time Okay, let's do it