Best of the Revenge of the Podcast

[00:00:10] Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David. Hello everyone, it's producer Ben.

[00:00:27] Now this week we have another installment of Best of Moments, this time from our Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith mini-series.

[00:00:37] Now normally, you know guys, this is a podcast where we cover directors' filmographies, right?

[00:00:43] We examine these filmmakers who have massive success early on and then Hollywood is just throwing them blank checks, right?

[00:00:51] Just throwing it at these auteurs. And sometimes, well the check's clear and other times they bounce maybe.

[00:00:58] Originally though, Griffin and David present was a podcast that exclusively discussed the Star Wars prequels.

[00:01:06] And like the previous two episodes, I will also remind our listeners this is still very much a No Bits podcast.

[00:01:14] No Bits Pro Smits.

[00:01:15] But Griffin and David started out by viewing first The Phantom Menace as a standalone film

[00:01:20] and didn't know that episodes 2 through 6 existed until amazingly discovering these movies at the end of each mini-series run.

[00:01:30] Now finally, one last message before we begin.

[00:01:35] If you are in fact a Sith Lord, I ask that you kindly stop listening right now.

[00:01:42] All right, enjoy the best of the Revenge of the Podcast.

[00:01:46] This is Griffin and David present.

[00:01:48] No!

[00:01:51] Revenge of the Podcast, this is our new mini-series.

[00:01:52] Do they say everybody feeling about this in this one?

[00:01:55] Oh yeah.

[00:01:55] They say it a lot in the second one.

[00:01:56] Oh yeah.

[00:01:57] They say it within the first 20 minutes of this film, which is what we're covering today on today's episode.

[00:02:02] As is tradition.

[00:02:03] It's tradition.

[00:02:04] We always-

[00:02:04] We have so many Hori-old traditions.

[00:02:06] We break off a mini-series with just the first up to the first crazy edit.

[00:02:11] So there's what do you call it?

[00:02:12] It's not a wipe edit, it's the one-

[00:02:13] It's like a windshield wiper edit.

[00:02:15] It's like the clock edit.

[00:02:18] It's like the hands of a clock.

[00:02:19] Yeah, we're doing the first battle sequence slash lightsaber fight slash plane crash

[00:02:26] 22 minute.

[00:02:27] It's a- I just called it a cartoon episode.

[00:02:29] It's like an episode of, you know, Samurai Jack.

[00:02:32] I have an analogy- well, except it's not a masterpiece.

[00:02:35] Right.

[00:02:35] I have an analogy I want to throw out later in the episode.

[00:02:40] Let's just set the table quickly.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:42] Because who knows? Maybe first time less than-

[00:02:44] It could be!

[00:02:46] This is main series.

[00:02:47] It started out as us doing a limited series about Phantom Manus,

[00:02:51] a film that we thought never got a sequel.

[00:02:54] Yeah, we're real stupid.

[00:02:55] George Lucas' sci-fi opera clearly had big plans and bigger narrative ambitions.

[00:03:00] We found out at the end of that mini series that in fact there was

[00:03:03] a sequel called Tackle the Clones.

[00:03:05] Yeah.

[00:03:05] Real good.

[00:03:06] The second Phantom Manus movie.

[00:03:07] Yeah.

[00:03:08] We took a brief detour into Judging the Judge.

[00:03:11] It's okay. Let's stick on Star Wars for now.

[00:03:15] The original question was what is the Phantom Manus about?

[00:03:18] Oh yeah, right.

[00:03:19] And then with Tackle the Clones it was is this a good sequel?

[00:03:22] Wait do you have a core question for this third film?

[00:03:24] We've just uncovered?

[00:03:27] You don't.

[00:03:29] I don't have one yet.

[00:03:29] I mean I have to make a confession.

[00:03:32] I this week for two reasons only watched up to the point that we're discussing today.

[00:03:38] Okay.

[00:03:39] One is I thought let's keep it fucking pure.

[00:03:41] Okay?

[00:03:42] I have now uncovered the memories because we didn't know this movie existed

[00:03:46] and then we realized we did in fact know it exists.

[00:03:48] I know why I buried the memories.

[00:03:50] I'll tell you that.

[00:03:50] I saw three times in theaters and I don't remember-

[00:03:52] I don't remember like any of it.

[00:03:55] Like you really don't?

[00:03:56] I remember the end only.

[00:03:58] Sure.

[00:03:58] I feel like.

[00:03:59] I was watching this shit and none of it was ringing a bell.

[00:04:03] But so I watched the first 22 minutes of it because I was like keep it pure.

[00:04:06] Actually don't have the knowledge of where it's going when you're watching it.

[00:04:10] You know?

[00:04:10] Okay.

[00:04:11] And only talk about it-

[00:04:12] Gonna call up the opening call.

[00:04:12] What the beginning sets up.

[00:04:13] Yeah.

[00:04:15] And two was a poor time planning on my part.

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:19] That's the real reason.

[00:04:20] Time management.

[00:04:20] I put it on last night and just couldn't turn it off.

[00:04:24] Yeah.

[00:04:27] I'm just bringing up the opening call.

[00:04:28] I don't have a core question yet because I haven't seen the whole thing yet.

[00:04:31] But I think it-

[00:04:35] True.

[00:04:37] I'm trying to find the right word for this.

[00:04:39] I feel like that has to be something about like now that we know he's made three of them.

[00:04:44] George Lucas.

[00:04:45] We can't-

[00:04:45] Writer and director.

[00:04:46] We've been analyzing these movies from the stance of like what was he trying to do?

[00:04:49] What would you want this to build to?

[00:04:52] Okay.

[00:04:52] We now have the complete picture.

[00:04:55] The Star Wars trilogy.

[00:04:57] The Phantom Manus trilogy.

[00:04:58] That's true.

[00:04:59] Right?

[00:04:59] Yes.

[00:05:00] I feel like the question has to be like what was-

[00:05:07] Does this conclude the story well?

[00:05:09] Yeah.

[00:05:10] You know.

[00:05:10] Yeah, I guess that's the question.

[00:05:11] Is this a fitting end to the Star Wars trilogy?

[00:05:14] That's the question.

[00:05:14] Yeah.

[00:05:15] That's the mystery.

[00:05:15] That's the investigation.

[00:05:16] We figured it out.

[00:05:17] There we go.

[00:05:18] Geez.

[00:05:19] It's like pulling teeth with you.

[00:05:20] I haven't been sleeping well.

[00:05:23] All right now here's-

[00:05:24] This is about as blinding a left turn.

[00:05:27] This is a U turn.

[00:05:28] Okay.

[00:05:28] I'm gonna eat some peanuts while you breathe this.

[00:05:31] In a stunning move, the fiendish droid leader General Grievous has swept into the

[00:05:37] Republic capital and kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine, leader of the Galactic Senate.

[00:05:41] Okay first off George, a little you know to describe your own move is stunning.

[00:05:45] Yeah pump the brakes.

[00:05:46] Yeah pump it.

[00:05:46] You know what I'm saying?

[00:05:47] Like you're not saying like-

[00:05:48] And not like the Black Eyed Peas on this.

[00:05:49] A man of stunning power.

[00:05:50] You're saying like a stunning narrative turn.

[00:05:52] Yeah right.

[00:05:52] Yeah okay.

[00:05:53] In a stunning off-screen narrative turn,

[00:05:55] a person you've never heard of.

[00:05:57] Okay wait give me the sentence again.

[00:05:58] In a stunning move, the fiendish droid leader General Grievous has swept into the Republic

[00:06:02] capital and kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine, the leader of the Galactic Senate.

[00:06:06] Okay okay okay.

[00:06:07] So Palpatine's a hostage.

[00:06:09] Yeah.

[00:06:09] Pretty cool.

[00:06:09] Which is interesting because we also know-

[00:06:12] Yeah he's pulling the strings on both sides.

[00:06:13] Right and we don't know who Grievous works for.

[00:06:16] And who he is or what he is or what's going on or why he's fiendish.

[00:06:19] Yeah no okay so I'm kind of liking this now.

[00:06:22] Okay so Grievous-

[00:06:23] No I am.

[00:06:24] I'm liking this a lot.

[00:06:24] I gotta- I'm gotta Steffi.

[00:06:26] Grievous is a droid general.

[00:06:28] Does that mean he is a- the general of the droids?

[00:06:32] Does he command all the droids?

[00:06:34] Is that his job that they went okay clones one side.

[00:06:37] Humans, non-cloned humans one side.

[00:06:39] Droids one side.

[00:06:41] Three sides.

[00:06:42] Like a triangle.

[00:06:43] Or do they- is he- did they need a general and they were like let's build one.

[00:06:49] As the separatist droid army attempts to flee the besieged capital with their valuable hostage,

[00:06:54] two Jedi knights lead a desperate mission to rescue the captive chancellor dot dot dot.

[00:06:59] I wonder which to.

[00:07:00] It's good to know it's interesting to note that like this preamble really only speaks to the first

[00:07:04] 20 minutes of the movie.

[00:07:05] Like the rest of the movie this doesn't really have anything to do with.

[00:07:08] Which is maybe-

[00:07:09] Because the first 20 minutes solves this issue.

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:11] Kidnapping and the war pretty like you know 90% of it at least.

[00:07:14] Maybe how the crawls would function.

[00:07:16] Like maybe doing set up so we have mysteries.

[00:07:18] It's just a backstory.

[00:07:19] Right okay so the two jedis I'm guessing are gonna be Yare-El Poo from Yaddle.

[00:07:23] And you're absolutely- Yaddle never shows up again.

[00:07:26] We actually never talked about that.

[00:07:27] She's only in episode one.

[00:07:28] She's not in the council and the other ones.

[00:07:30] They fired her.

[00:07:31] Yeah.

[00:07:32] This is a good sidebar just because lateral thinking no one listening would have this thought.

[00:07:40] Yaddle and Yare-El Poo makes me think of last night I was reading our reviews on iTunes.

[00:07:51] Okay.

[00:07:52] Producer Ben.

[00:07:53] Woo!

[00:07:53] Aka producer Ben.

[00:07:54] Aka Ben Deusser.

[00:07:55] Aka HelloFenl.

[00:07:57] Aka Mr. Positive.

[00:07:58] Aka The Haas.

[00:07:59] Hey that's great I'm so excited to hear that people are leaving reviews that's so awesome.

[00:08:04] 25 five-star reviews.

[00:08:05] Oh that's really great.

[00:08:06] Thank you guys.

[00:08:07] That's so great.

[00:08:08] One star review.

[00:08:11] From some fucking Sith Lord.

[00:08:14] Out there.

[00:08:14] I don't know who it was they didn't write the review.

[00:08:16] Did he identify himself as a Sith Lord?

[00:08:17] You're not supposed to do that.

[00:08:18] They did not write the review.

[00:08:20] Oh they just gave a one star.

[00:08:22] Can you pull it up though?

[00:08:22] I'm trying to find it.

[00:08:23] Yeah the internet in here is really bad.

[00:08:25] Yep we had a review that corrected this you know very nice things people had to say including

[00:08:31] the two reviews written by Ben.

[00:08:33] Very, very nice.

[00:08:35] Thank you Ben.

[00:08:36] And you'll know which two they are because one of them has signed The Haas and the other

[00:08:39] one has signed Mr. Positive.

[00:08:42] But one of the reviews pointed out that we have been making a big faux pas across

[00:08:48] too many series.

[00:08:50] The Jedi with the Kakarot face who we have been calling plu klun this entire time is in

[00:08:56] fact called plo klun.

[00:08:58] Oh shit.

[00:08:59] That's how you pronounce it.

[00:09:00] That's how you pronounce it.

[00:09:00] So.

[00:09:00] Klun.

[00:09:01] Sorry about that.

[00:09:02] His name is never said aloud I believe that's part of the problem.

[00:09:05] Apologies to plo klun.

[00:09:07] Yeah apologies to the Kakarot race he represents.

[00:09:09] He's got a Kakarot face.

[00:09:11] Okay well I'm just loading these reviews they'll be ready in like 20 minutes so

[00:09:14] But hey you know what keep it up.

[00:09:16] Keep rating keep reviewing unless you're a fucking sick.

[00:09:20] We got no time for your one-star garbage three or higher.

[00:09:23] Guess what if five or higher.

[00:09:25] Okay how about this six or higher.

[00:09:27] Well no then no one's gonna leave a review because they won't figure out

[00:09:29] how to leave a six star review have you been watching the

[00:09:32] review yeah it's the best did you see the six star episode yeah that's a

[00:09:35] fantastic that's my favorite show on television it's the best um I give it six stars

[00:09:39] me too uh ladies and gentlemen I'm throwing down the gauntlet just right now

[00:09:43] uh if you

[00:09:47] give us a one-star rating or review you are not allowed to listen to the show anymore

[00:09:52] done done you done no fucking sifts allowed

[00:10:01] crawl crawl crawl crawl crawl yeah does that fades into just space

[00:10:06] then we see a ship go by yeah that's true the first one it's the uh the the jedi

[00:10:10] ambassador ship you know and then the second one it's uh you know i'm a dollar's yeah uh

[00:10:16] royal cruiser yeah and this one it's like we see the sun yeah and then we kind of pan down to

[00:10:21] Coruscant and then we see this like epic battle is happening over there like a billion ships

[00:10:26] right already I'm like this movie is is kind of saying like like it's zooming out as wide as

[00:10:31] possible this is something gonna talk about a lot like it's really trying to show off how much

[00:10:34] detail it can fit into a frame which is annoying congratulations you've done great job Georgie

[00:10:40] tons of detail I hope you're happy yep drink that detail in a cup of my diarrhea mix it in with

[00:10:47] diarrhea I got a fucking diarheumic flurry machine you could pick your mixing your mixing is details

[00:10:53] carry on we pan down yep one ship the central ship sort of flies by in classic phantom and

[00:11:01] his fashion yeah but there's so much other fucking shit going on what usually happens

[00:11:05] ships flying by right then there's like a big action right and then there's like a lull right

[00:11:11] and then yeah yeah we get to something so in in clones we got ship goes by lands there's a lot of

[00:11:17] silence you see people standing there it's like peaceful it lulls you into it explosion it's a

[00:11:23] bad opening in phantom we see the ship going by they're communicating a permission to dock this

[00:11:29] and that the ship land there's like four minutes before they get in but it like it's

[00:11:33] situates you into the world not this time war my brain immediately turned off I know it's really

[00:11:40] terrible it's such a fucking overload well especially because it's like yeah it's a cartoon

[00:11:46] it's just a cartoon thing you're watching it's just like and it's 17 minutes before we have

[00:11:51] more than one line of dialogue at the same time right so you've got I like the balance between

[00:11:56] like actor because the shit's going on I don't care you've given no reason to care don't

[00:12:01] assume just because I watched the two other movies maybe do your big space battle at the end

[00:12:05] like in phantom menace where it doesn't work but it works better than this you gotta let us get

[00:12:09] number seat you gotta let's kick our shoes off you gotta let's resituate ourselves for the characters

[00:12:14] war war we've got the battle and then I think as you're mentioning there's this thing where

[00:12:19] they like crash into the ship oh right and then there's crazy crash oh they barely make it

[00:12:24] in yeah there's a bunch of droids in there and like r2 has like four things okay we gotta talk about

[00:12:29] r2 we gotta talk about r2 running around he lights them on fire he sprays them with oil r2's

[00:12:35] suddenly inspector gadget and it's really annoying it's really fucking annoying r2 has by and large

[00:12:42] been a tactical yeah robot yeah he's a repair droid basically right and he's which is simple

[00:12:49] utilitarian yeah he's not meant to move around you put him in the ship you repair ship right

[00:12:53] and in the second movie he had this brief like moment of insanity where he like brutalizes

[00:12:57] c3po and flies around but like it doesn't have any relation to anything and it just so felt

[00:13:01] and also the only special power we saw him use was the rocket so even knocking off c3p like he did

[00:13:07] on a very like in a way that was consistent with his movements in the first movie sure yeah yeah

[00:13:11] yeah but then c3po's head was like okay he's got like a court all of a sudden he's got like four

[00:13:16] arms that come out of his body like he's holding a cell phone he has like hold those blue lines

[00:13:21] I know they're like little aren't just like they flip out they're like articulated with like

[00:13:25] multiple joints in them and then he's also got that data spike thing yeah plus he's got the like

[00:13:30] the rockets yeah and he can shoot he can fucking pee pee oil he pee pee is oil and then he uses the

[00:13:37] rockets to burn people with the oil he's fucking he's inspector gadget he's goofy but not only that

[00:13:43] and I want I watched him moving fast too I watched him with my girlfriend last night she had

[00:13:47] some insights humble right because she hasn't yeah because she hasn't seen um this movie I don't

[00:13:53] think she'd ever seen okay she'd seen the other one okay and she was just really horrified especially

[00:13:59] when he peas oil all over them and then sets them on fire yep gross the big battle joys and she was

[00:14:04] like he's not supposed to be violent like r2 is like a you know cute little guy he likes you know

[00:14:11] you know he's sort of an ornery little guy but he's not like it's like a shocking

[00:14:15] violent scene like imagine if those weren't robots jelon grievous is there I was based and

[00:14:21] he's like like it's all right the second this feeds into like the white noise thing of the movie

[00:14:28] that's going on right like they introduce him and he's got seven different ticks at the same time

[00:14:35] he's got a cape he's limping he's coughing he's got weird eyes he collects lightsabers in his jacket

[00:14:41] like I already can't pay attention to this character because too much is there's too much

[00:14:45] business there is entirely not only that we've been told this is like a important character

[00:14:51] yeah who somehow kidnapped the chancellor he comes off immediately like a fool like a fool like he's

[00:14:57] decrepit yeah he doesn't seem to be able to like walk around really well he this whole chancellor

[00:15:03] kidnapping plan isn't working he takes the jedi's lightsabers and literally puts them in his pocket

[00:15:09] they immediately just call them back like you couldn't put him in like a locked box at least

[00:15:14] he's like I'll add it to my collection opens jacket has a pocket puts them in the pocket

[00:15:19] the jacket doesn't close there's no zipper it's a cloak that's not jacket so it's a cloak it's a

[00:15:23] cloak he's got a cape pocket it's just it's literally what why do you like put them away

[00:15:29] they have force powers they can make anything go into their hands he's a bad character he's a

[00:15:35] worse character there's so much more to talk about with him yeah oh yeah okay now I think that he's

[00:15:41] in the cartoons right yes like it like that's where his backstory is really cool in the janet

[00:15:45] takahovsky cartoon I bet I'm sure and makes a meal out of his design and they make him an almost

[00:15:51] silent character and so he's a physical we forgot to mention his accent because he has like a

[00:15:56] a Dracula accent yeah he's like bringing the jedi to me it feels very inspired by hotel

[00:16:02] transylvania it's a very hotel transylvania vibe now I read that Gary Oldman almost played this

[00:16:09] role yeah and then I heard John Reese Davies almost played the role and instead a guy who worked

[00:16:13] at industrial light magic played this role how did that happen was he just like in the like in

[00:16:19] the canteen and was going like uh-huh Dracula and and George Lucas was like hired this man I really

[00:16:25] think Georgie porridge you want to get this movie over with yeah it's possible because I believe

[00:16:30] Oldman couldn't do it because the movie has these like weird union rules and like you had to be

[00:16:34] like you know and that was the rumor I heard at least that that was the reason he couldn't

[00:16:38] do it I think it also just fits into like he's been trained in lightsabers like a dooku the same

[00:16:44] part of him that would rather CGI a helmet rather than put a helmet on a head right would rather just

[00:16:49] get a guy's fussing fucking Jimmy over there to get a guy from down the hall oh should we have one

[00:16:54] of our finest living actors no that guy over there mopping up have him play grievous you know

[00:17:00] can you do a voice I'm trying to find this guy's name the actor's name whatever no I'm interested

[00:17:06] um uh but this is a very important point David Matthew would yeah right go on but it's also so

[00:17:13] modulated the performance like whatever voice he's doing it's also run through like 17 filters I mean

[00:17:19] it sounds it sounds awful so much you can barely tell what he's talking about not that it matters

[00:17:23] there's so much camera movement too there's so much fake CGI camera movement that's like you

[00:17:28] barely can get your bearings within a single frame yeah David so much visual information

[00:17:33] so much noise he's a sound editor by the way that's who Matthew would well it sounds like he did

[00:17:37] two bad jobs on this movie grievous is like what's going on here no wait we should actually pull back

[00:17:46] because in between the space battle and grievous is the dooku fight I'm talking about the very

[00:17:51] first introduction to do okay I agree I'm actually going before he captures them which is just

[00:17:56] when he sees that they're coming towards him and he turns to like an amoidian and goes like

[00:18:01] whatever whatever the fucking dialogue is I don't remember something but the amoidian and so new

[00:18:05] no more than I don't think we've seen before yeah goes like sir the Jedi's are coming for us yeah he

[00:18:09] has an American accent I know I noticed that this is huge it is it's interesting they're like

[00:18:14] uh maybe this guy should talk different yeah he almost sounds like a Californian server you

[00:18:18] know he's not you're right or absolutely right he's looking at some like sir the Jedi's are

[00:18:22] approaching yeah and and general grievous like use the blaster she's you know spaghetti

[00:18:32] um he's like a diner chef but but it's too much Jackson Jackson's not been in this one by the way

[00:18:39] sad not at all no I know fuck this movie yeah yeah just turn it out tz14 comes back though right

[00:18:45] Griffin double fuck this movie um I think it does feel like in a in a severe instance of

[00:18:53] too little too late someone finally prevailed on george or the george porgy was trying to go

[00:18:59] like see they don't all sound like that it was just those specific characters but new gunray does

[00:19:03] come back and guess what he sounds like that yep yeah no I know yeah you're saying like look

[00:19:08] he just has an accent those guys specifically they're all regionally that was not Chinese aliens

[00:19:15] maybe that one grew up in space china yeah space China this guy's grew up in space valencia

[00:19:20] he sounds like a teenage mutant is a turtle for one minute he's got like two lines yeah

[00:19:25] and he goes like sir I think the Jedi's are here it's been three years just that you know so

[00:19:30] it's a three-year war and again and it can chops off in a kind of a weird fluid move chops off

[00:19:36] dooku's hands both of them yeah sort of like really yeah it's it's pretty it's pretty not pretty

[00:19:42] jar dooku falls to his knees yeah and it can catches his blade like with ease and just like

[00:19:49] gives him the old sort of you know puts them to his neck he's got like chopsticks going

[00:19:52] he's got like a blade in each hand pointing the opposite direction so he's got a blade against

[00:19:55] each side of his neck and dooku's just looks like a sad grandpa all of a sudden he's just so upset

[00:20:01] he's so defeated and pop it he's like finish him no he literally says kill him kill him and

[00:20:07] it's not like he's like requesting it he goes like and I can kill dad I can go kill it kill

[00:20:12] and Anakin's like oh no I don't know that's not the Jedi way I gotta get Anakin's getting really

[00:20:17] gay yeah and and Palpatine literally you would hope maybe that there be Palpatine would really sort

[00:20:23] of try and sell this and be like oh he gotta kill him he'll come you know like he just said do it

[00:20:29] isn't there a moment to where he goes like remember what we talked about no he just says it might

[00:20:33] happen after he kills dooku but there's a line in here that implies that they have been meeting

[00:20:37] and talking a lot they were supposed to know that yeah the Anakin's gotten very close with the

[00:20:41] Emperor I mean the Chancellor right and it's like well let's go with that no no no they won't

[00:20:45] and um that should have been happening to you no thank you and that's an interesting dynamic

[00:20:52] maybe that should have been on screen the developing of their relationship how they go from zero to six

[00:20:57] eighty and a fan of mass he's like I'm gonna keep an eye on you boy no attack on the clones he does

[00:21:01] almost nothing that's him on the shoulder barely corresponds with Anakin we shall watch your career

[00:21:04] with great interest right right exactly right and then in this one he just it something

[00:21:10] everything good happened off screen anyway Anakin chops up his head and he's immediately

[00:21:15] like he's so even keeled about it right yeah he's like I don't know if I should

[00:21:20] pop it he's like you shouldn't he's like okay I will decapitate right head rolls gross yep what the

[00:21:26] fuck is this movie okay and then Anakin goes like I shouldn't done that like that was a bad idea

[00:21:35] it goes out of bed I do by the way no it wasn't yeah like kill the Sith Lords they're magical

[00:21:40] wizards of dark I don't actually really get why it's supposed to be like no they should probably die

[00:21:45] they are impossible to imprison but he was like so right shoot lightning out of their hands for crying

[00:21:50] out loud right with guilt about about the slaughtering the jazz side of the touch which was

[00:21:54] pretty horrifying what's not yeah no great right but he was very emotionally affected this one

[00:21:58] he's just like you know what that was my you know what that was bad bad on me anyway he

[00:22:05] freeze Palpatine and Palpatine's like no no it was good it was good yeah I don't know now this movie

[00:22:11] really is about how every character's internal logic radar is broken yeah because Palpatine

[00:22:17] is basically just like a serpent at the sweet side yes yes yes yes and then he's like Palpatine's

[00:22:22] like we gotta go forget Obi-Wan Obi-Wan has got a big phone finger that says sit on it

[00:22:27] Obi-Wan is literally lying peacefully with like a staircase kind of touching his ankle

[00:22:33] he looks beautiful and Palpatine is like he's sleeping beauty he's dead and and like Anakin's

[00:22:40] like don't worry about it like just like he says his fate will be our own yeah right so they take

[00:22:45] Anakin they take Obi-Wan but like why isn't Anakin like hold up like excuse me like I just like

[00:22:51] stormed this like whole starship and like I can pick up the stupid staircase for one second

[00:22:55] why are you pushing this yeah because Palpatine doesn't drop it he's like no there's no time

[00:23:00] boyhood's a good movie yeah what was I why was I creating it's a boyhead uh you're talking about

[00:23:04] Ellen Sleesbacher now oh yeah we want him to come back and go like I don't know if you remember me but

[00:23:09] episode four is probably about that I'm just assuming now we're so stupid that there's an episode

[00:23:13] four well Disney did buy the company so I'm assuming they did that in order to make an episode

[00:23:17] maybe that's what it is that's probably what we could probably look forward to an episode

[00:23:21] four from Disney sometime in the next five or ten years I mean it takes a long time for

[00:23:23] movies to get off the ground yeah well we'll be talking about this movie for a bunch of weeks

[00:23:27] and then after that I don't know we'll go on to other movies because we'll have to wait for

[00:23:30] episode four to come out we got some great guests coming up this season hate the bit

[00:23:37] we got some great guests yeah I don't know what the fuck you're talking about Ben's looking at me

[00:23:41] with just scorn you're being a real sleazebag in our right now um we got some great guests

[00:23:47] coming up David doesn't even know about them they're gonna be fucking exciting surprises

[00:23:50] they got tons of twitter followers and you can tell me who they are they'll push to the top

[00:23:54] the charts tons of twitter followers let me take some guesses Taylor Swift yep oh that'd be amazing

[00:23:58] what if Taylor Swift came on this podcast you know what I've been thinking a lot lately

[00:24:02] shoot I think Taylor Swift would like me yeah probably I think she would think I was fun

[00:24:08] I'm not saying she would like like me yeah no go ahead although a boy can dream

[00:24:11] but I do I do think we'd hit it off and we'd shake it off if you know what I'm saying David

[00:24:17] I think Taylor Swift and I would shake you know to cut turn off so I know yeah please

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[00:24:43] think through on that Taylor that is all I have to say on the matter I look forward to watching

[00:24:53] the rest of this film unlike with the Tech of the Clones where I loved the beginning of the movie and

[00:24:59] then I knew already that it didn't pay out I'm going into this with the opposite opinion I know you

[00:25:05] hate this movie I do I'm looking at the first 22 minutes I'm going who knows what happens in

[00:25:10] the back we just dissed it for so long yeah but I've only seen the first 22 minutes I don't

[00:25:14] know this movie is the worst of the star impossible it's not impossible in fact it's very likely

[00:25:20] impossible yep although I haven't like one thing that has happened on screen so far other than

[00:25:24] emick during performance thank you for listening mm-hmm we'll be back next week with Taylor Swift

[00:25:30] will we yeah we'll be discussing sound mixing we'll be discussing Taylor Swift is like a

[00:25:36] JD Amato level savant when it comes to the technical aspects of sound she's been in the

[00:25:40] music industry since she was 16 years old you think I'm fucking joking I'm not Taylor Swift

[00:25:44] will be our guest next week talk about sound mixing right teach me a thing or two yeah great

[00:25:48] she knows where that we're trying to think I'm bringing her in oh I'm glad you're taking the hint

[00:25:53] oh I've been living real estate some old episodes Ben you haven't done some of the edits

[00:25:58] that we asked you to that's true all those times I told you to edit out

[00:26:02] mention of your father's financial problems yeah I think fucking you added some in it

[00:26:06] it feels like some episodes you dropped on a great grip he does a great grip in

[00:26:12] Taylor Swift will be coming here next week talk about Matthew Woods sound mix on the film

[00:26:16] is sound editing on the film we'll give Ben some helpful pointers and we'll try to hit it off

[00:26:21] I look just as friends I'm just looking for friends if you want something more I don't know

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[00:27:32] talk it's a serious show I mean I'm thinking about changing the genre from comedy to just like

[00:27:36] TV and movies it's like this is a culture show at very least drama I think there's a drama

[00:27:41] we're the nurse Jackie at podcast we are um this this fucking movie is a tragedy got in this

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[00:28:47] Griffin Griffin let's get to the movie all right all right all right no more yelling

[00:28:51] about Sith Lords despite what he says uh to many people including his wife uh married life seems

[00:28:58] to have given him no happiness no it's true he I mean the there's the scene where they see

[00:29:03] each other like for the first time and he got back to the phone words at pillar city yeah at this set

[00:29:08] that we keep returning to that's just 80 it's just an auto population of pillars it's just

[00:29:14] pillars pillar pillar pillar well they did copy paste I mean it really looks like someone

[00:29:19] took sim city and just was like drop a pillar every five years there's a lot of copy pasting and

[00:29:22] that's more a lot um yeah they meet by some pillars yeah and he's just like oh bad man I

[00:29:28] missed you so are you doing I was at the war the last movie was about you fucking fighting

[00:29:32] to be with this woman it's been three years or so against all odds against all judgments

[00:29:38] you're laying low like you've sacrificed so much to be with her you should fucking

[00:29:42] be still head over heels in love with her or the fact that you're falling out of love

[00:29:46] should be the point instead it's just like he's a boring couple and what news does she give him

[00:29:52] right after the first 22 minutes she's got some news she's pregnant but I think this is

[00:29:56] a different episode I want to I want to stay on Anakin okay just his emotional journey in this film

[00:30:00] okay okay because we got we got a fucking we got a relax let's just tell this I'm so David I'm so

[00:30:07] frustrated with this movie you're worried too much do you remember last week when I was hoping

[00:30:13] that I would like it watching the whole thing yeah well that was just stupid yeah it was dumb

[00:30:18] that was real stupid to you okay we should also say that you earlier today saw a very

[00:30:23] depressing traumatic movie and I earlier today had to say goodbye to a friend who's moving to LA

[00:30:28] and I'm very upset about oh who uh my manager oh yeah I'm sorry he's not technically my manager

[00:30:34] he was my manager's assistant okay yeah but he's come on my record yeah we're recording this late

[00:30:41] in the day and I saw Room is a real it's a punishing film it makes you feel like you're

[00:30:46] trapped in a small enclosed room from which there is no escape and another thing that makes

[00:30:51] you feel like you're trapped in a small room with no escape is having to say goodbye to Nick Damiano

[00:30:56] so I nick okay fine all right please let's carry on finds out Padme's pregnant they're living in an

[00:31:05] apartment in Coruscant in secret nice no one knows they're together they have a huge she has this

[00:31:10] palatial apartment yeah with a great view of downtown Coruscant I don't know is there not paparazzi

[00:31:16] too like how are they keeping this a secret she's like in the government whole planet to city

[00:31:21] pretty sure that's always gonna be the answer whole plan so a lot of allies to take down old city

[00:31:26] I mean it's the whole planet so there is a actor who I'm working with right now who uh I don't want

[00:31:33] to see it because the whole point of this story is is okay desire fan anonymity I'm not saying

[00:31:37] anything embarrassing but you'll see when I explain you're gonna tell me how much anecdote

[00:31:40] yeah yeah yeah you'll fucking you could figure out too yeah but I could always cut it out

[00:31:44] now you're not cutting out I'm trying to make a point here I never cuts anything out

[00:31:48] you okay Ben cut out this part all right no go on no Ben cut out the part about

[00:31:55] you not cutting stuff out all right because that makes the podcast sound sloppy you're right

[00:31:59] you're right no bits okay so cut starting from when David said Ben will cut this out

[00:32:04] to right now now okay there's an actor I'm working with right now oh wait but you're gonna

[00:32:08] have to cut out either that line or the first time I said there's an actor I'm working with

[00:32:12] Griffin I hate because it'll sound like we're done it okay your snack to your working with

[00:32:17] he was talking about on set earlier this week how he bought a new place cool with his uh

[00:32:25] his many millions his paramour oh um and uh did it under his own name rather than

[00:32:33] creating an LLC to buy the place sure and because of that uh I guess real estate listings are

[00:32:42] public if things are bought and sold they just no yeah because you'll occasionally see articles

[00:32:46] check out like ex-celebrities listed their apartment well that's that's the point he

[00:32:51] just bought something uh and then it was just listed on like the big New York Times list of like

[00:32:56] apartment sales right in New York City sure and then a bunch of outlets picked up his name and this

[00:33:01] list of uh non-famos buying stuff right and then it was like a fucking people magazine thing

[00:33:07] and people were like investigating their place and all this stuff people like to know these things

[00:33:12] the point is it was that easy for like 47 000 outlets seems like now i'm not gonna I can't help

[00:33:18] but be hounded by fucking stuff about the place I'm moving into everyone fucking knew and now

[00:33:23] everyone knows everything about his life you tell me fucking Anakin and Padme have like a very

[00:33:30] full they're they're married yeah they have like a beautiful like it looks like a penthouse

[00:33:36] it's huge it's got this crazy balcony it's the craziest balcony I've ever I mean it's almost

[00:33:40] it's 50% balcony this apartment not to mention lady's pregnant she's she's pregnant and becoming

[00:33:45] more and more visible by the day yeah Anakin and her spent a ton of time together they do

[00:33:50] so like probably at the end of like Jedi council meetings they're like hey Anakin do you want to

[00:33:54] ride i'm going back to no see this is like no no no this is where we already don't know

[00:33:59] the answers where do the jedi's live do they live in the temple do they have like

[00:34:03] little apartments there they probably do these questions are never answered no that's my assumption

[00:34:08] so my assumption is Anakin's got his jedi temple apartment yeah Padme bought that place by yourself

[00:34:14] right and he goes over there every night and no one's ever noticed Palpatine mentions like you

[00:34:18] know the dark lords of the sith kind of know how to bring people back from the dead or at

[00:34:22] least one of them did start playing yes we'll talk about that more in another episode but he

[00:34:27] dangles this carat armed with this measly piece of gossip hearsay hearsay yeah Anakin i i guess

[00:34:37] just deduces that he's a sith lord okay so we didn't he doesn't he doesn't cross reference

[00:34:43] to this with anybody no doesn't talk to anyone else we know they have a library

[00:34:50] well well but in his defense the jacquas news real pain fast and lose the leading files right

[00:34:56] it's real pain in the ass but he does trust obi one that's true and at this point palpatine has not

[00:35:02] tried to instill doubt in him not really yeah so he just kind of like

[00:35:12] would trust obi one at this point and palpatine would tell him this thing

[00:35:17] look obi no i know obi wants basically say i mean sorry palpatine's basically saying like i know

[00:35:22] you're a jedi but you're worried about your wife and unfortunately the dark side's the only part of

[00:35:27] a force that can do the kind of shit we're talking about okay so even if he's conflicted enough and

[00:35:32] he's still trying to figure out the land and he doesn't want to rat out palpatine i do think he

[00:35:36] would turn to somebody a kanobi a yoda a window a clune even a poof he doesn't a mendee he

[00:35:46] doesn't a gallia now he's now but then he does figure out the palpita lord how does he figure

[00:35:52] it out exactly so the points he i think he would turn to them and just go hey have you heard anything

[00:35:58] he doesn't do this anyone being able to prevent that he doesn't do this he just goes huh interesting

[00:36:02] huh darth plegas you say anyway now anakin's the worst person in the world not only that he is

[00:36:08] immediately palpatine's like rise lord vader like he's like i've given he has a name in his

[00:36:13] pocket we're going to be there for a name cool fucking we gotta say this look all the i'll say

[00:36:18] this fucking all the darth names are good this is the best one good mark darth mall great darth

[00:36:24] tiranis i wish they'd set it out loud more but pretty cool darth vader this guy i mean there's a

[00:36:29] weight to that do you know what i'm saying the only problem i have with it is literally

[00:36:33] that he's just like yeah you know what vader like he just he just has it ready yeah

[00:36:38] but it's a great name um it is the best name it's a cool name and he's like all right so welcome to

[00:36:45] the dark side uh as your initiation do please go to the jedi temple and slaughter every child in it

[00:36:53] yeah and literally i'm not joking like that's that's how quickly that is right ben yeah it's

[00:36:58] it's not like okay so you can go to my dry cleaners and get my sith robes and yeah you know

[00:37:04] it's he doesn't build he's just like you know how there are all these adorable children that we've

[00:37:08] seen last movie and this movie who run around the jedi temple being a little tikes please slaughter them

[00:37:13] now i think they missed out on a great opportunity for a real funny scene which is having him chase the

[00:37:19] kids around because you don't get to see the murder yeah a little benny hill music why not i'll

[00:37:23] like the classic doors you know hallway i watch this movie as i as i mentioned last week i watched

[00:37:29] this movie with my girlfriend and that scene where he shows up he shows up at the at the jedi temple

[00:37:35] yeah and he's like they're like a kid who's like well you should matter mr master and like the cutest

[00:37:42] little dweeb can you help us and he just goes like he like ignites his saber and no hesitation

[00:37:48] she just went like oh like it was the stupidest most horrifying like okay first of all rapid

[00:37:54] transition i am i'm so close to being on the verge of tears right now just in frustration over

[00:38:01] everything and laughing at the benny hill image and it was really funny but no but i i don't want to

[00:38:07] keep harping on this because i like subversive cinema i'm not asking everything to be put

[00:38:12] in a box i'm not saying you have to fucking save the cat yeah and and i like especially within

[00:38:17] mainstream filmmaking you know populist filmmaking even children's filmmaking

[00:38:22] it's a twist shit i don't have it no the problem is that it's it's unearned you're like so you're

[00:38:27] like a six-year-old right yeah and you're fucking watching the phantom madness trilogy oh here's a

[00:38:32] movie about a little boy i'm six years old i don't have to race car develop critical facilities so

[00:38:36] i love it i love this little boy second movie oh love i don't know what love is yet so this

[00:38:42] film seems like an accurate representation of how adults relate to each other emotionally i'm in

[00:38:47] and he's cutting robots oh this series is fun your kid this movie's made for kids these movies are

[00:38:53] made for kids and then you watch the third movie and it's like oh anakin's uh getting tempted by the

[00:38:59] bad guy so this must be the setup so that at the end he can come back and find his way the good

[00:39:03] oh now he's murdering kids who look like me yeah little little white babies oh so everything

[00:39:09] in the world is terrible i guess so this is something i see this is something i don't care

[00:39:13] about this i feel like this is more your thing than my thing i don't if i care about it i'm just

[00:39:17] like my it's just unearned my that's my problem with it everything in this movie's on well that's

[00:39:22] fair but but like the leap i mean the reason this seems to happen in the middle of movie is

[00:39:27] that we need to definitively know that anakin is beyond hope right yes that he doesn't act

[00:39:32] that is so reprehensible zero to a hundred it's exactly it's zero to eight hundred yeah it's

[00:39:37] zero to yeah it's so stupid because i and then you've got a whole movie left like a whole hour

[00:39:45] plus yeah this is the shortest of the three though it is yeah i mean like i said it's really just

[00:39:51] it's you know that little movie and then you kind of just wrap it up yeah it's just a lot of wrap

[00:39:54] up it's a lot of wrap up but the wrap up is just out of nowhere conclusively telling us that

[00:39:59] this guy sucks and he's beyond saving do you have a merchandise spotlight i have a

[00:40:04] burned up anakin i was going to ask if there's a young wing massacre merchandise they made some of

[00:40:10] the kids there's you know that one scene where uh uh baleriana played by the great jimmy smiths

[00:40:18] goes to the yeah and there's the kid who sort of valiantly fights off some clone troopers

[00:40:23] and then dies and so we're and jimmy smiths is like no yeah right so we've seen all these

[00:40:29] kids get killed we think all of them are dead then jimmy smiths gets there he's trying to get out

[00:40:35] the fucking clone troopers are trying to shoot at him this little boy comes out protects him dies

[00:40:40] in the process and it's like a weird scene you're like why would they put this into the movie

[00:40:44] the kid's just doing crazy space karate uh that kid is is played by uh george lucas

[00:40:52] oh really who is really into karate and so george wrote the scene to the movie so he could do

[00:40:58] that's very martial arts and although it's a little weird that george lucas is like

[00:41:01] he will have to die on screen uh yeah but you die a martyr uh you die with smiths going no

[00:41:10] yeah no no one's happy about the fact that you're dying no uh here's here's here's the crispy

[00:41:15] anakin action oh this is terrible it doesn't he doesn't look crispy he just kind of looks

[00:41:19] hairless yeah and covered in mud yeah he looks he's got a robot arm he looks like the iam

[00:41:26] legend rubbets i think is the legs are removable they're not robits and iam legend the movie's not

[00:41:31] about robits i gotta rewatch that movie oh boy this is terrible well okay so it doesn't look like

[00:41:39] anakin's face uh no it doesn't here this will look like that's terrifying yeah who's it look like

[00:41:45] it looks like this i mean this is what what kid wants to play with this is a broken toy

[00:41:50] it's a broken toy to remind you of how everything in the world is terrible and everyone you love

[00:41:55] will hurt you and then we'll get hurt in the process it's this is just a plastic representation of

[00:42:02] misery wow um but it comes with a cloak so you can turn them back into the regular anakin oh

[00:42:10] you put the cloak on top of the that's weird so how did we get here this is the anakin episode

[00:42:17] but we don't know why this happens no it's like the whole movies are now revealed to be

[00:42:22] this ultimate tragedy of one man right it's like you have this person like prophesies to change the

[00:42:28] force prophesies the future of the jedi's and it turns out to be their worst nightmare yes he

[00:42:33] brings about their very end although it's really palpatine who does most of it yeah and it's also

[00:42:39] so muddled it's like in a way they're sort of trying to say that like you know by putting

[00:42:47] the pressure on him of having to restore the balance that maybe that made him crack but they

[00:42:51] don't do the work to make that payoff is it just hey he was just a kid and evil corrupted him and

[00:42:58] evil corrupt anyone all of us are corruptible are they trying to say that he was destined to fall

[00:43:04] are they trying to say that he just had the bad luck of being in palpatine's way there's a real

[00:43:10] hint of destiny to it don't you think yeah i mean there's another angle i want to get out in

[00:43:15] the palpatine episode talk about but there is kind of a hint of like uh even if the jedi had

[00:43:20] played their cards right which they don't yeah that all of this and like we talked about in the

[00:43:25] phantom minutes that all of this was kind of coming to an end they're like there's opulence it you know

[00:43:30] there's rules of the game yeah you know exactly the red tape leu lulu de jeu the reg le de jeu

[00:43:36] i recently rewatched that film it's a great film yeah that's a great film it's an anti revenge at

[00:43:40] the set um but it's very similar to revenge of the sith or uh some parts of the phantom

[00:43:45] medicine technical and it's about these rich fools kind of ignoring like what's really

[00:43:50] happening around dealing with petty like domestic drama is focused on while the world around them

[00:43:55] crumbles you needed three movies to do that to trick us into thinking we were going to watch

[00:44:02] someone save the world and just watch them die only that he needed three movies to finally maybe

[00:44:06] get a good character at anakin skywalker and give him to us for two minutes yeah maybe there's

[00:44:13] another star wars movie

[00:44:20] welcome to revenge of the podcast you were gonna do that i didn't even i'm i'm going with the flow

[00:44:35] do you know that on a recent list of the 1000 most popular baby names in america uh-oh

[00:44:43] according to the social security administration this is a very official list uh anakin was number

[00:44:49] 957 so he just crept in the bottom there he's just he's finally on the top 1000 but that amounts to

[00:44:56] 218 babies a year so just for comparison the other baby names male baby names tied for 218

[00:45:06] yeah uh are emet baler judson what judson is not a name and truman now truman and edmit are real

[00:45:19] person names they are just about emet emina you know you don't know a lot of truman no it is it's

[00:45:24] emet president we have a president after that was his last name emet otter emit otter thank you

[00:45:30] yeah welcome the truman show no yeah i mean that's what i think of when i think his name

[00:45:34] was truman show his name was truman and we called him the like it's the james brown isn't his last

[00:45:40] name is burbank because like the studio is in burbank yeah anyway i love that movie uh anakin

[00:45:47] is a name that was uh created by a maniac a solo associate bat named george lucas yep um and

[00:45:54] now we know that this franchise this trilogy is about watching him murder children um so to the

[00:46:01] 218 and strangle his wife and abuse his wife and i'm not even fucking joking like it's insane

[00:46:06] what he does to his wife to the 218 anakin's parents no parents who named their child anakin in

[00:46:14] 2014 knowing all that we know right now go fuck yourself you're a bunch of sith lords what's wrong

[00:46:19] with you bunch of sith lords 218 people who won't listen to this podcast don't listen you cannot

[00:46:24] you are not allowed to listen to this podcast all right final order of business my god and

[00:46:29] it's a segue okay and i ain't talking about the you're not talking about the people moving

[00:46:34] this piece of transportation yeah right this is a transition good yes anakin do it good anakin

[00:46:40] do it do it right okay already a little weird different than we've seen do it when someone

[00:46:46] gonna give us 200 million dollars to make a movie the three of us we would fuck it up so hard

[00:46:51] are you kidding me it'd be such a good movie right there'd be a really good movie no one would

[00:46:55] want to make it i'm full of ideas then give us a quick pitch we're gonna you're saying we shouldn't

[00:47:00] get sidetracked now you're asking ben to pitch a movie every 15 minutes i'm gonna throw it a

[00:47:03] bet he's gonna give us a quick pitch ben quick pitch 200 million one sentence has to fill 200

[00:47:07] million dollars worth of budget okay it's uh um it's an organization that uh you hire to uh play

[00:47:14] pranks on people who are mean and you to you in high school okay that's a plot of dirty work

[00:47:18] okay let's go on oh fuck you're right that's the plot of dirty work all right and it's at

[00:47:22] most a 20 million dollar budget help let's bring it back okay journey worker with like an oceans 11 cast

[00:47:28] i want to see the orge i want to see like how they became dirty let's do six movies okay fuck everything

[00:47:35] fuck everything fuck the world cut everything start over hi this is griffin i don't want to do

[00:47:39] this starting over a bit we've done that too many times do it do it do it palpatine opens up with

[00:47:44] like i heard then i'd like to use jet i can't so how does that make you feel must make you

[00:47:48] feel great huh it's like well first of all let's just point this out quickly okay jet i council

[00:47:53] limited membership right there are literally yeah very few seats it's like 16 total it's

[00:48:01] however many seats fit in that circle okay they do give him a seat though because they're like

[00:48:05] yeah we're not giving you master take your seat yeah but there are very good if his seat had

[00:48:10] like a different leather backing you know if it was blue instead of red or there wasn't a toilet

[00:48:13] it looked the same but you couldn't poop inside of it that would be a real outright that's a call

[00:48:17] back for you uh uh long time to podcast listeners um there aren't that many seats available the only

[00:48:26] new jet i we have seen a count appointed to the council has been obiwan and those are extreme

[00:48:33] circumstances where his master died right a seat was therefore given up i guess so yeah

[00:48:40] this is new business um also everyone else on the council is significantly older than anakin

[00:48:47] um age is hard to tell with some of these aliens but certainly yes david we've looked up most of

[00:48:52] these people miss windows probably 55 yeah he's like 20 years old man 20 30 years older than

[00:48:57] okay within human years that's a good difference that's fair right that presents a fair portion

[00:49:03] of your lifetime it's fair it's a fair point okay so it was unlikely it was a stretch that he was

[00:49:11] going to be made a jedi master and put on council no absolutely he's only on the council because

[00:49:15] palpatine asked them because they wanted to play this crazy role but you know if they wanted

[00:49:19] to play the crazy role they could have at least for the sake of show given him that rank of

[00:49:24] master now maybe they're trying to play their own game where they're like oh we don't want

[00:49:27] palpatine to think he's in with us yeah you know it's a lot of chess being played right but they

[00:49:34] don't know that palpatine has like a big hammer that can smash all the chess pieces at once yeah

[00:49:39] that's the thing they think they're playing 3d chess he's playing like 8d chess yeah palpatine's

[00:49:44] kind of a g i said he was a basic bit but he's no he is crazy yeah he will we'll get to it

[00:49:49] uh so they're talking and he's like how does it make you feel and he's like not good i don't

[00:49:53] feel good about i feel like everyone's disrespecting me i'm stressed out having these dreams and he's like

[00:50:02] talking about all this stuff and then he goes um you know oh they have this conversation

[00:50:09] he goes um uh well you know the jedi see things in very didactic ways this and this and that

[00:50:15] he's not wrong yeah you know um and he says uh you know there are other forms of force he uses

[00:50:23] this line i think is very interesting within the context of our larger exploration of this movie

[00:50:27] which is um uh he goes what you know what do you know about this thing because the sith are driven

[00:50:32] by passion they make decisions only based on themselves the jedi's are selfless like he's

[00:50:37] saying there's not much difference between a sith and a jedi right that it's more about huge

[00:50:41] difference yeah they're driven by passion they make decisions for themselves don't you think

[00:50:46] it's interesting the ultimate point he's making is oh the sith are are you know acting in

[00:50:53] self-preservation and the jedi care about the world at large the galaxy at large yeah but the first

[00:50:57] word he uses describe that divide is the sith are driven by passion as if emotion is a bad thing yeah

[00:51:04] he doesn't say vengeance no no but you're absolutely right but that is in keeping with the logic of

[00:51:09] these movies and the logic of the way the jedi's behave and beyond that the logic of how these

[00:51:13] films were made yeah that's true that george was like the passion is a problem this scene is too

[00:51:17] emotional we gotta reshoot it right i find that very fascinating so already it's presenting

[00:51:21] this like thing but it but so this has been kind of seductive i forget exactly what comes up but you

[00:51:26] know he he goes let me ask you a question uh has has any uh has any jedi been able to

[00:51:35] cheat death whatever you know it comes out i've had the crimes whatever and he's like one guy yeah

[00:51:40] have you heard about darth plague is darth plague is the wise he's like no and he's like

[00:51:44] bet the jedi wouldn't tell you here's the basic field darth plague yes was the most

[00:51:47] powerful ever he was sith as shit right like crazy sith through and through he became so

[00:51:55] addicted to power that he could do almost anything he could protect the ones he loved from death

[00:52:04] some believed he could even yeah use the force via midichlorians to create life right

[00:52:12] right handbrake you saying he may be created anakin anakin's the immaculate conception hey i don't

[00:52:19] know i don't know where he came from now we always like to say that wato is his dad because his

[00:52:24] little boy peepee looks like a wato knows but let's be honest for a second we you mostly like to say

[00:52:29] that i like to say that and we also i'm gonna flip some cards over on the table we don't know that

[00:52:34] for a fact we don't it's we don't know what i've been speculating like no we've we've been thank god

[00:52:38] we've been joking what a terrible thing if we did yeah we would never be able to get over it um we're

[00:52:45] not those types of guys carry on uh who who like to look at low carry on um i just want to say that

[00:52:51] very clearly uh and if we were we carry on it would just be for the purpose of figuring out who's a

[00:52:57] toy dairy and who's not that's all we're all we're saying we wouldn't be getting any pleasure

[00:53:00] from it carry on to know who is part griffin i hate this bit i'm griffin newman welcome to

[00:53:07] griffin david presenter revenge of the podcast power he just says the word power he zaps him a

[00:53:15] lot i think he might say like power absolute power i think he yeah you know keep stocking

[00:53:19] he zaps when doing windu falls out the window yes the jedi tried to kill me but we will have

[00:53:26] a good after game fire why do you have the body language of mr burns now like why are you

[00:53:31] literally putting on a fake mustache at the end of every sentence just to twirl it before that

[00:53:37] he was kind of this like oh i am chancellor you know there's old wizard man um you know that

[00:53:43] this button is you know does not suit but i will accept going to be paying much attention to you

[00:53:49] and then i am the titular and he's having a lot of fun with it um it's the only interesting arc

[00:53:56] for the three phones no but it's the only interesting arc but it makes you wish that

[00:54:02] episode one was him training under plagueis yeah right yeah sure why fine yeah and then episode two

[00:54:09] was them finding anaconda i know well anyway anyway but that's just my guess work well anyway

[00:54:16] but anyway hi this is griffin welcome to griffin to present revenge of the podcast i hate that bit

[00:54:22] i officially hate it uh been cut out everything we've ever done from here on out and the episode

[00:54:28] at the last part where david said that he hates him yeah and also delete all former represents

[00:54:32] yeah all right got it erase them scrub them scrub um so uh stand to menace do it do it

[00:54:42] moment of silence for the jedi order single tear just to start out let's take one moment of silence

[00:54:49] hello welcome to revenge of the podcast i'm i'm griffin that was awful griffin that was so loud

[00:54:57] he just totally peeked out i had to cut them all in a silent with with some energy i didn't want

[00:55:02] an episode to be a bummer i could talk about some sad stuff you're right come on ben that's producer

[00:55:06] ben of course ak perduer ben ak he's getting the intro before i get the bendu he cut in he

[00:55:11] cut in he got in he yelled in the microphone because i want to cut the silence you're doing

[00:55:15] it again i'm watching your levels right now i'm gonna talk very quietly hi uh this is griffin this is

[00:55:21] david sims welcome to revenge of the podcast part of the storied griffin and david present franchise

[00:55:27] the rude interruption of my emotional oscillation was from producer ben ak perduer ben aka the

[00:55:33] bendu sir aka the haze aka mr positive aka hello fennel oh my god fuck this movie yep seriously

[00:55:41] i didn't rewatch it since the last time i watched it just on the way over here to thinking about

[00:55:46] talking about it again it's just so painful what is this how many have we done this is four out of 10

[00:55:53] it's five it's four oh it's four this is four that outburst of anger this is a new wow i literally

[00:56:01] thought this was the sixth episode we done on this no this is this is four out of ten we do 10

[00:56:05] episodes okay on each movie oh no i'm talking to our guests that i don't know it's coming from our

[00:56:10] wonderful guest uh the great mike drucker hello so we're we're talking about the jedi order today

[00:56:15] we're talking about the jedi order of course we've we've done an episode on anakin okay we've talked

[00:56:19] about palpatine right but we want to talk about how the rest of the jedi's are functioning in this

[00:56:24] movie and not well not well really really everything they've been doing wrong comes back to vitamin

[00:56:30] the s yeah for three movies yeah for three movies we've been getting warnings like hey it turns out

[00:56:36] there's set boards yeah right well maybe we've been hinted at pretty heavily let's keep an eye on that oh

[00:56:40] hey like someone in the jedi order ordered a clone army without us noticing that that's weird aren't

[00:56:46] we psychic yeah we're like shouldn't we be on this yeah the third movie like oh yeah the whole

[00:56:51] clone army they're genetically programmed to kill us we missed this well what i hate is you see

[00:56:56] the first movie and you have two jedis that are just fighting incredibly well against one guy

[00:57:01] obviously but then the more jedi you add to every movie the worst they are to the third movie

[00:57:06] were they order order 66 and they're just shot yeah they just get shot like one lady doesn't even turn

[00:57:11] around like she definitely senses shit but she doesn't turn around can i say shit yeah oh you

[00:57:16] can say anything you want i don't know if this is hasbro pays for this it has bro does pay for

[00:57:21] this but you can say whatever you want second no i mean i should have paid hasbro um i you can

[00:57:28] say whatever you want but just advance notice just because you're a comedian right comedic writer

[00:57:33] and i understand i you know come from the same world this isn't no bits podcast we should make it very

[00:57:38] okay we hate it i don't believe in bits we want to talk this is a serious film chris is a podcast

[00:57:44] we want to talk openly about the films we're discussing with no sort of overarching bits

[00:57:48] like don't give me more work i don't want to have to do any editing in post okay right exactly

[00:57:52] no bits mic just so you can feel safe in this environment if you aren't already

[00:57:57] sith lords are not allowed to listen to this podcast this is a thing griffin's been doing recently

[00:58:01] i'm only half on board with it i don't want people rating us fucking zero stars i mean wouldn't it

[00:58:05] only be two ratings that's true there's only a master and an apprentice we haven't we got one one star

[00:58:10] rating so far okay so the but who was it yeah i don't want that second the master or the apprentice

[00:58:16] i don't know but which one was it well here's what you do this is what i'm saying that's an

[00:58:21] episode one that exchange of dialogue yonan may swim do oh it seems like it was a sith lord

[00:58:26] which was it the master and apprentice i don't know let's do no work on this let's just not do

[00:58:30] probably okay the way to figure out who whether it's the master the apprentice is look up the age

[00:58:37] of the person who commented and if they are 90 years old then they are the apprentice yeah you

[00:58:43] would talk right yeah because you got to get some young buck apprentices um i i tweeted out

[00:58:49] as a joke that we weren't recording because i was filming the new colin trevara movie yeah

[00:58:55] a lot of people took that seriously well congratulations thank you i just want to

[00:59:00] clearly say that i would i would never work for colin trevara and i have no i have no hesitation

[00:59:05] saying that publicly because i doubt that colin trevara will ever make a film that i want to be

[00:59:11] in i will say that i don't mind what bridges i burn publicly colin trevara will never direct a

[00:59:16] film that i have any interest in being part of as we said no bits and no bits um yeah i sort of

[00:59:22] theme in this podcast is griffin just ruining his career i'm really like burning into the ground

[00:59:26] straight just i have no allies anymore will be one follows uh the lead to the planet where what

[00:59:34] the hell's the planet called actually where where he's hanging out i don't know it's sort of the

[00:59:37] jungle planet but it's like oh it's like a big hole right like the whole planet the whole

[00:59:42] city it's like someone drilled a big hole in the ground and it's sort of like there's like

[00:59:46] a guggenheim level you know like where there's all these sort of spiraling sub-level it's not

[00:59:51] a chic no no no is it utipa it might be it might be something like that uh we're all bummed out

[00:59:58] just saying these names tion me don we're bummed out that we know these names what what tion me don

[01:00:04] who's that who is the the tall dude with the slits on his face and the sharp teeth oh yeah

[01:00:10] oh yeah with this sort of high collar yes who's played by bruce spence this guy yeah yeah

[01:00:16] bruce spence who is the uh the gyrocopter pilot in uh the road warrior

[01:00:24] who's like a fucking awesome i think you expected us to go what holy cow he's like a cool

[01:00:29] fucking australian look at this movie was shot in australia yeah yeah uh he's a cool

[01:00:34] fucking actor he was the mouth of sauron and uh return of the king sure yeah he was one of

[01:00:39] the side sharks and finding emo yeah you were right it was a utap but hey utapow utapow

[01:00:45] hey now utapow how long did george spend on that name

[01:00:50] sometimes i'm not i'm not trying to be childish here i'm trying to grow up on this podcast

[01:00:54] but sometimes i really do think that george just uh recorded uh the sounds of himself

[01:01:00] pooping and then named things after the sounds that the poop made when it hit the water

[01:01:03] um

[01:01:08] yeah most words in this universe sound like diarrhea sounds how many how many y's are in the name

[01:01:14] kashik all the y's just put all the y's out there yeah if if they're worried about just make it a

[01:01:18] why that's sort of the right yeah uh he goes to tion meadon and he's like uh hey i'm looking for

[01:01:24] grievous and tion meadon's like no grievous here and he's like because there's this war going

[01:01:28] on he's like nope no war here no grievous don't know what you're talking about and he's

[01:01:32] like do you want if i use the bathroom quickly and tion meadon's like sure use the bathroom hold on

[01:01:36] i just have one thing to tell you there's a ton of war going on here grievous is right

[01:01:39] grievous is literally downstairs right but he like leans in yeah and speaks in a quieter voice

[01:01:45] but not that quiet a voice yeah we're like i don't understand how anyone who was spying on him

[01:01:49] because then they cut to the balcony and there's like a balcony that's like maybe 100 feet away

[01:01:54] where one of grievous's like magna guards yeah it's spying on them and it's like oh he

[01:01:59] didn't raise any suspicion when obi-wan was there yeah i understand what you're saying i don't know

[01:02:04] it's stupid whatever dumb dumb so he's like did you got it you got a yeah previous is here

[01:02:11] general please kill general grievous he is in room a14 he's a conference room a14 he is here

[01:02:19] yeah anyway he's giving a lecture am i right this plan it's like the guggenheim it's like

[01:02:24] it's like a weird tube in the ground yeah yeah i also think for a series of films that are that

[01:02:28] are hyper titled star wars i don't think georgey porgy understands what war is because like anytime

[01:02:34] a war is brought up in this movie he's like no there's a ton of war on this planet and you see

[01:02:38] the planet it just looks like a museum there's like no battle happening well the other thing is the

[01:02:43] movie's called star wars and they're like oh shit we're at the clone wars at the end of attack

[01:02:46] of the clones right all right good this is gonna be awesome we're gonna see all this war

[01:02:49] and then we cut to like 10 years later it's like well the war is over we just finished the war

[01:02:55] and with that yeah yeah and and the way the war breaks out at the end of attack of the clones is

[01:03:01] like if they called in cops to mediate a boxing match that got out of hand and then it turned

[01:03:07] into a war yeah like they send in the clones because there's a bad arena battle happening

[01:03:12] and then within 13 seconds it's a full on war yeah within 13 seconds people being loaded into

[01:03:17] ships yeah um so uh yo who's your favorite character see am i on the longest hey you want to help

[01:03:24] find grievous jump on that thing right there and it is boguh yeah he's a he's a dactyl a very

[01:03:32] okay yeah i thought it was a dactyl i've been missing speaking for the last couple weeks it's a

[01:03:35] veractal uh from utapao um it looks like an iguana right yes it's a big iguana it's a big iguana

[01:03:43] obi one rides it around in some of the worst most spectacularly bad cgi right also like it just feels

[01:03:50] like they're like oh we could do this so let's make the scene with no real purpose to it yeah

[01:03:54] it's kind of like should obi one just walk over there nah let's get an iguana yeah i wrote a giant

[01:04:00] lizard everyone was like sure george there might as well be people like carrying plate glass

[01:04:05] and like that he could smash through it like i mean it's that sort of like unnecessarily uh

[01:04:09] it also feels like the movie was made with less enthusiasm the movies were made increasingly

[01:04:14] less enthusiasm like one is weird but fun yeah two is terrible but trying to do interesting things

[01:04:22] yeah and then this one's just like i don't know what a lizard bad like at least until you had like a

[01:04:26] wacky bounty hunter yeah uh you had like that fat dude who owned a diner extra jester part two of

[01:04:33] my holy trinity yeah you're hitting all gryffins favorite yeah we see very you can get the third guy

[01:04:39] in uh in attack of the clint i don't remember who it is i don't remember who it is oh it's the

[01:04:43] returning character from phantom anus a wado yeah oh yeah wada plus hattany yeah my holy trinity

[01:04:49] from phantom anus is wada was not in this one is wada boss nas and tarpels that that's who

[01:04:55] you like in this one no infan us that was my holy trinity right wada boss nas and tarpels

[01:05:00] but then there was tc 14 oh oh yeah i love tc 14 oh my god how do we not get you on your

[01:05:07] scene you really should have been on this podcast from the beginning oh man birds of a feather yeah

[01:05:12] um well i just heard bogas entire work aped entry and there is nothing of interest in there

[01:05:17] but but i because you had said maybe that's your favorite character and i said i don't think

[01:05:21] because i don't think it's a defined character i think it's just part of a species has a name

[01:05:24] though bogas and she's it's female and she's the fastest on the planet that's all they have

[01:05:28] to say about her the other thing it says is that uh obiwan leaves her for dead because he assumes

[01:05:32] that she dies but she doesn't she goes on to live a long life she falls yeah but she survives

[01:05:36] away she goes on to live a long life like yeah does she have kids or yeah probably some iguana

[01:05:42] babies yeah she has she has 10 husbands 10 husbands 30 children but none of them replace

[01:05:47] the the part of her heart that obiwan held um does obiwan just kind of randomly jump on her

[01:05:53] is she like given to him i can't remember i think he had me know and's like go jump on jump on

[01:05:57] we have this lizard yeah you know she's the fastest on the planet i know it's a big imposition

[01:06:02] to ask you to kill general freaks but maybe if you jumped on the ciguana like sweetly deal

[01:06:08] you can ride my lizard you don't even have to give it back it's cool let it fall as far as you

[01:06:13] want it'll live a long life uh this is my favorite section of the movie i don't know why

[01:06:19] i'll tell you why although i can't name another section that i really prefer yeah i have no favorite

[01:06:23] section right this one no this is this is why and i liked it i'll i'll say a lot less this time than

[01:06:27] the first time sure rewatching it uh now this fourth rewatch or whatever it is but um it's my

[01:06:33] favorite section of the movie because it's fucking silly it is very silly it's very silly and you

[01:06:38] McGregor is playing it up he's having some fun he's doing like a sort of air old flin old

[01:06:43] timey swashbuckler like really broad and the rest of this movie is so late in and like fucking just

[01:06:50] self serious and everything yeah and it's like i you know we talked except for the opera house scene

[01:06:54] except for the opera house scene oh yeah we've talked about how fucking funny phantom menaces

[01:06:59] and how much we're missing those wall to wall laughs in this movie i don't make comedy but if

[01:07:04] you're doing away the set in space why not and everything cgi you can create anything you

[01:07:08] want yeah why not have a fucking dude on a lizard chasing a coughing robot on a one-wheeled bike

[01:07:15] because it's too much stuff no it's so much stuff i'm saying i'm saying maybe he should have that much

[01:07:21] stuff no organa is like why don't you go to tatooine where um anakin's relatives live and by anakin's

[01:07:28] relatives he means his only living relatives his step i guess step brother and his wife right

[01:07:34] right so it's his step brother and wife it's such a weird place to drop off so and through the step

[01:07:40] father he met only after one time yeah his mother had been kidnapped from the like he never he didn't

[01:07:47] even see them together as a family unit the second owner of his mother who then married her right yeah

[01:07:53] his kids although maybe that's a great place to snatch like a baby to be like all right who would

[01:07:58] you never gonna see oh your step brother you met once a lot of bad memories over there that's not a

[01:08:04] fun place bad memories but like who gives a shit exactly i keep on it is kind of fun to imagine

[01:08:09] just like robot Darth Vader showing him being like hi like like getting dinner with them and being

[01:08:15] looked so how are things at the moisture farm it's crazy but even recognizing you look so

[01:08:21] different than the last time we saw it different has anyone told you that you're unrecognizable

[01:08:29] i went through a thing i'm mystified oh it was real bad it was real bad trust me you do not want

[01:08:35] me to take this mask off all right not a dinner this is delicious bro bro is a good chef um but

[01:08:44] yeah uh Obi-Wan goes to Tatooine and uh Yoda goes somewhere he just he just leaves he leaves he gets in

[01:08:50] a ship and leaves i'll hide but they have one final conversation it's not that i think it's a little

[01:08:54] before when they're traveling wanted to get to this because it's hysterical this is an important

[01:08:57] conversation yeah it's literally they're like okay so what happened today uh we didn't kill any of

[01:09:03] our enemies palpatine took over the galaxy all the jedis were exterminated that kid you were

[01:09:07] training was instrumental turned into a homicidal maniac yeah and uh oh i forgot to tell you one crazy

[01:09:14] thing that came up today remember quite good but he remembers that guy like do you remember that

[01:09:21] guy who was your master remember kwaig on jinn he says it like obama not much like i recently

[01:09:27] heard from him i can't believe i didn't tell you and Obi-Wan's like oh god he's going senile

[01:09:31] kwaig on dead he doesn't remember it's like when your grandma calls out for the daughter who

[01:09:36] died 10 years earlier he's quite gone figured out how to i don't know turn into a spirit or

[01:09:42] something he says he figured out how to transcend death by becoming part of the force or something

[01:09:47] like that good news right i got you a workbook that you're like just i want you to look at it

[01:09:53] while you're hiding you're gonna have a lot of free time so uh yeah you know what i really

[01:09:58] dislike um about how they deal with anakin they constantly go like anakin i think you're

[01:10:03] really angry like they don't go like we're the jedis we're these wise people of of presumably

[01:10:11] you know selflessness and and hopefully empathy control right to go like anakin has anger problem

[01:10:16] let's try to talk to him be like anakin are you doing all right yeah instead of anakin

[01:10:20] like then maybe he'd say like well i fell in love with queen amidala remember like what whoa

[01:10:27] no no no that's bad we got roles here buddy do you remember when you were like a little kid

[01:10:33] and your parents would go like somebody's tired and you go like i'm not tired yeah like you didn't

[01:10:38] want people telling you what you were yeah that's how they deal with anakin throughout all three movies

[01:10:43] yeah but they just go like somebody's angry and he's like i'm not angry yeah and it's like just

[01:10:48] talk to him about what's going on in his life massage these issues i mean it just seems like

[01:10:52] they don't there's a lot of red flags oh yes movies hell of a lot of red flags hell of a lot of

[01:10:57] red flags yeah um and also the sith like let's not forget they unveil themselves in episode one

[01:11:05] they literally give them every opportunity like figure out who we are we keep showing up yeah

[01:11:10] they have three movies to do it they don't do it yeah anakin figures it out and gets tempted to

[01:11:15] the dark so this is over the course of like i'd assume 20 something years it's a long time you

[01:11:20] know like and they're the sit there back they're like if it's i mean fine we killed one of them

[01:11:26] that's it okay there's so many frustrating things about the series there's only one sith right

[01:11:32] or is it two i usually two i always forget if it's one or two we should check the jedi archives

[01:11:37] sometime oh our power to sense the force has been diminished also i say that all the time yeah

[01:11:43] they keep saying their powers are diminished also all the files in their jedi archives have

[01:11:46] been deleted yeah here and there's this clone army that a jedi ordered let's not look into it

[01:11:53] it also it's weird the chancellor is like not leaving office he just keeps staying around

[01:11:59] and everything kind of conspires to like keep him in office he keeps on creating new positions

[01:12:04] and then electing himself to them that seems bad yeah we can't sense anything about him in the force

[01:12:11] so it's probably okay right he's probably a good guy i gave him a once over he's fine

[01:12:17] they're like airport security where they're like hey you don't have any like dark side water bottles

[01:12:23] all right your end and then like you find out someone just brought a bomb onto the plane right

[01:12:26] they pat him down once with the back of their hands right like you're cool you're clean he

[01:12:31] literally decorates his whole office red yeah his whole office is black yeah red and black

[01:12:37] and he writes sith in the carpet he's also always asking a young padawan to hang out with him

[01:12:42] which if not dark side is still yeah something to be questioned seems like it's for the younglings

[01:12:47] can you let this 15 year old kid hang out with me for a few hours nothing will happen it's a

[01:12:53] it would be satisfying to have one of those endings where you realize that yoda was kind

[01:13:01] of a villain all along and not like a twisty mustache really like i was working the gears but

[01:13:06] it's like through negligence the fool on the hill he was as bad a force as those who are deliberately

[01:13:12] evil unintended and and to see him get a lightsaber through the brain might have been nice and why

[01:13:17] not this is the last movie what are you saving george why let him go off and have a nice life

[01:13:22] in seclusion why i don't know david's holding his hand maybe he wanted to make a fourth movie i

[01:13:27] don't i mean pad may has two kids a force move yeah no mike yes mike yes mike yes mike yes

[01:13:34] mike yes like this hashtag mike yes please tweet at mike uh hashtag mike yes yeah please

[01:13:40] no i mean we talked about this i don't know if you know this mike yeah but george lucas did sell

[01:13:44] lucas filmed to disney recently i think mostly because they wanted the indiana jones franchise

[01:13:48] yeah and uh the remake writes to tucker a man in his dreams yeah and strange magic strange magic

[01:13:54] willow uh there are a lot of good things yeah they wanted to make those you know the monkey island

[01:13:58] games again or something they were able to work howard the duck back into guardians of the galaxy

[01:14:02] that's true yeah um uh radio land murders of course uh would work very well as a tv series

[01:14:09] anyway um please just keep naming lucas film properties i think there may be two more

[01:14:14] yeah there's a lot yeah um if he had wanted to make a fourth film i think he would have done it

[01:14:20] what was stopping him lack of finances age lack of confidence or maybe burnout from doing three in a row

[01:14:26] but he did do like yeah maybe he wants to do other stuff but he produced red tails you produce red tails

[01:14:33] yeah he's he sold the company to disney right and uh you know we've been saying i mean they are

[01:14:40] sitting on despite how hated these movies are yeah what was a very successful trilogy of films

[01:14:45] oh yeah and disney's very property minded you know franchise minded it would not be out of this realm

[01:14:51] to assume that someday disney would try to do an episode four yeah do you think they try to fucking

[01:14:58] work yoda back into it i mean like hey sure why not frank os is still available as a villain

[01:15:05] as what what has happened now yeah yeah that's what it is yeah i guess yeah yoda turns evil but does he

[01:15:10] fight obi one or is there like i mean you have those babies but maybe he tries to kill the babies

[01:15:16] you think yoda tries to kill the babies probably that's where i would steal them to raise them

[01:15:20] himself i'm just saying if then again he also hid them i don't know if you brought me into a pitch

[01:15:23] meaning and we're like a fourth star was movie what would you do i'd be like okay yoda's creeping

[01:15:28] into a child's bedroom lightsaber brandish this is the opening scene in the movie and then obi

[01:15:33] one traps him in two that's opening scene is obi one kills yoda bisects him okay so now obi one

[01:15:40] standing with a bisected yoda over two babies yeah sure no they get split up what's seen to

[01:15:46] have two and a half hours after that too 20 minutes later i don't know 20

[01:15:51] 20 minutes later so let's just briefly you know say our respects for adigalia he already made

[01:15:59] plow clone yeah he he bites it yeah kid fist oh who's the little guy a little guy with the

[01:16:06] sort of droopy ear oh yeah for good y'all poof no he dies between like episodes two and three

[01:16:13] or something really just like i was reading his book a pity you know he dies like tragic

[01:16:18] chops him into pieces or something it's crazy there's a comic book about it wow um we liked

[01:16:23] diario poof he's the one with the kind of long stock head oh yeah that's it uh his race is that he's

[01:16:29] he's a queer man and his last name is poof so good job george lucas yep that's what we said

[01:16:37] r.i.p yaddle we suppose yeah a lot of these characters died off screen but yeah um we lost we lost a

[01:16:42] lot of good ones evin peel evin peel yeah ajan colire yeah all these all these just great characters

[01:16:51] brisso fee some of our best friends this one most beloved characters in the history of pop culture

[01:16:59] all gone we have a very special guest with us here today david would you like to introduce her because

[01:17:06] you and i'm not angry about this you shouldn't be have podcasted with her in the past yeah

[01:17:11] yeah but she was the original podcast i'm not jealous you're the you're the you're the

[01:17:15] cheese i'm not jealous you know you're the uh the other woman i'm not jealous uh this is so

[01:17:19] sony saraya hi hi david who i do a podcast with called night cheese hi yeah it's fun we should

[01:17:25] eat cheese actually on this podcast well i did just have a chicken parm flatbread from packs

[01:17:30] wholesome foods is that really what you want to put on the line right now look

[01:17:35] look that's what they that's what they had and that's what i got what did you have i i had a

[01:17:39] crispy chicken club all right had cheese on it as well sony is the tv critic for salon

[01:17:43] yes and griffin you are the other woman oh well i actually on sony when you when you guys first

[01:17:48] started talking about the podcast on twitter i did yell at you both about starting this

[01:17:52] without i know i know we got you on no i appreciate it obviously obviously whatever

[01:17:58] this is a threesome literally right now yeah well hey let's not let's not let ben benkin

[01:18:03] watch that's watching that's in the corner yeah of course we have with us as always producer

[01:18:09] ben a k pradoer ben a k the ben dooser a k mr positive a k the haze a k helifinal l k peeping

[01:18:15] tom hey all right a new nickname because he's gonna watch while we all bone um by the way i think

[01:18:24] it's also interesting that they don't have sonograms in this universe no one knew no one knows

[01:18:29] that she has twins look it's it's it's inexplicable because it's not a twist in the movie when she

[01:18:36] has two babies yeah like it plays no plot point but for some reason they decide to reveal it then

[01:18:41] like i don't know why like they could have just said like i'm pregnant any with twins well

[01:18:46] twins i guess it's so anakin doesn't know there's a sister or a brother but i mean

[01:18:52] these are obviously the only three films that he's ever made so it doesn't matter but you know

[01:18:55] it's very annoying i don't know why you keep on restating things our our listenership is not

[01:19:00] stupid you can just look we don't like bits on this we know how i move this there okay

[01:19:05] like i just want to make this clear we have a very anti-bit iridite listenership they're well

[01:19:10] educated oh can i read some of this oh oh sidebar i'm sorry sonia to cut you off but it's very

[01:19:16] important we do some housekeeping every episode you are to read some listener review it's very

[01:19:20] important we do some housekeeping because rating us reviewing us subscribing to our cousin podcast on

[01:19:26] the isb comedy network we have 42 reviews now don't you want to pump us up to 50 fucking well i don't

[01:19:32] know 42 jackie robinson maybe that's the right number it's a good number maybe we go one above we

[01:19:36] would become problematic numan yep uh okay no one mentioned hitchhikers hitchhikers oh

[01:19:43] hitchhikers got to go of course 42 life the universe and everything um so everyone please

[01:19:49] keep rating but don't review anymore because we found the perfect number of reviews no don't

[01:19:53] say that no keep please review don't don't listen to them don't review us keep reviewing do not uh i want

[01:20:01] to so i just want to say um some uh things uh uh read out some reviews we've got a review

[01:20:12] from ramona castle have you read this one i think this is our friend ramona perhaps there's

[01:20:17] a heart is the title hi griffin david i love you both even though every episode of this belize it

[01:20:22] you're both perfect gentlemen five stars wow now how about this one from conrado falco did you

[01:20:27] read this one this was really good looking at this one right why do you read that aloud

[01:20:30] motess art tollstoy picasso griffin and david ps producer ban is also a genius that's the

[01:20:41] all right all right that's the full review all right and here from monkey shines hello fennel

[01:20:49] he says uh though i am dismayed nae furious at the fact that there's no new episode this week

[01:20:53] that was last week or two weeks ago when is this episode coming up yeah this we were going to once

[01:20:58] yeah i've decided to give this a five star rating because only david and griffin could piss me off

[01:21:02] this much the benduser is just charming and never wrinkles me oh there you go ben thanks all right

[01:21:07] that's enough for me i know i got one more i got one more one read this last one five star review

[01:21:13] the subject heading is delightful love the podcast but if i have it my way you will never work and

[01:21:18] show business again griffin and that review is from collin trevorrow you're an asshole calling

[01:21:25] what if it was from collin trevorrow i mean who knows maybe that's his itunes account was so

[01:21:30] was so obsessed with himself that he even heard our podcast dissing him we don't like collin

[01:21:35] trevorrow you know the director of Jurassic world oh yeah yeah yeah okay he's a bummer and

[01:21:39] he should be kicked in the penis didn't he say some dumb shit about women he did okay yeah this is

[01:21:45] yes this is like what i know he gave one of those inter these answers where it's like look

[01:21:49] of course i think more women should direct movies but they don't want to and they and there's not

[01:21:54] enough women and where are the women anyway he said like eight things that suck he said listen

[01:21:58] sweetie the thing you don't understand is that we are going to get sued women don't want to do big

[01:22:04] budget movies that's not what they're interested i have no interest in doing this myself no no one

[01:22:09] does just why i'm here talking about star wars yeah that's why no there's a reason it's a white

[01:22:13] man's game because only white men like them only white men like being successful that's why

[01:22:17] throughout history only white men have succeeded it's because they're the only ones that want

[01:22:23] no one like failing it's true it's true uh so listenership please rate review subscribe and

[01:22:30] kick callin trevorrow in his wiener that's now end of housekeeping segment yep it would be great if

[01:22:35] we could talk to george lucas could you imagine if we got to sit down with him email us i'm david

[01:22:40] el sims at gmail let's start us out griffin and david present at gmail.com george lucas if you're

[01:22:44] interested we've been ragging on you a lot if you want to come on and defend yourself we

[01:22:48] we would happily have you on an episode yeah just keep that out there if he is on the show

[01:22:52] can you please ask him if his nickname has ever been george portge george portge that's a nickname

[01:22:57] on this one um let's talk about the actual no bits let's talk about the actual death okay okay oh

[01:23:05] yeah you really want to talk about this is a big thing i know it's really hung up on this it's

[01:23:08] it's shitty so when anakin reveals to her all her suspicions are correct right yeah he's been

[01:23:19] murdering children yeah he's working for the dark side yeah exterminated a bunch of jedi uh yeah

[01:23:30] and she she i'm sorry she she manifests the first rejection of like the first like oh wait i'm a person

[01:23:37] that isn't in love with like that isn't totally just this person's like yes lacky yes she gets a

[01:23:42] little disillusioned and i appreciate your apology because i was really connected emotionally to that

[01:23:46] performance and it's gonna take me another second to get back into it i entered you made a good

[01:23:50] point sonny and i'm glad you did but i just hold on the train was running okay she goes

[01:23:57] she has a line i think that you're trying to get to my heart and now it's this very very

[01:24:02] earnest i actually kind of like the way she delivers it pretty good actress right i think

[01:24:08] given that line on the page yeah but i think given that line on the page having to deliver that line

[01:24:13] i think she makes a kind of interesting choice which is to really deliver it as like a girl

[01:24:19] caught up in a romantic fantasy that's now crumbling around her yes she had this very

[01:24:23] simple idea of like wanting to be together and be happy with him yes and she's now reduced to

[01:24:28] you know breaking my heart is like this very childlike notion of like literally a heart

[01:24:33] being broken in tween or whatever um she says that he chokes her obi-wan says stop yeah right

[01:24:41] she's lying there perfectly she's in a perfect yeah she's just perfect but it's like literally

[01:24:46] when they cut to her on the ground her arms are still held out as if she was bracing the fall

[01:24:51] yeah um obi-wan takes her back on the ship brings her to bail argana's place he has the droid with

[01:25:00] the clasp hands wait does obi-wan take her back on the ship i want to say c3 p0 and r2 do

[01:25:07] is this a crazy thing all right obi-wan's on the ship with them definitely but it might be c3 p0 and

[01:25:11] r2 do physically take her right because obi-wan then fights and yeah hecks her pulse or something

[01:25:16] then they go fight and then they come back and they're both both of the droids you're like

[01:25:20] whistling a bunch they're like oh my god something's happened you gotta do it they whistle away

[01:25:24] they're like okay and he like goes inside the ship yeah because i think they get her to a hospital

[01:25:29] ship it's not like their ship is a hospital ship yeah they have to fly her too so and that and

[01:25:34] that's where yoda and bill are gone right i think that's on bill agana's plan oh yeah fantastic

[01:25:38] on his ship right they use his fantastic ship to get to his planet where the hospital is

[01:25:42] i believe it's hard to track the planet no it's on a ship bro is it yeah who knows i thought

[01:25:47] the thing with the crater honestly doesn't matter it's okay i think that's good genuinely

[01:25:51] impossible to follow but somehow she gets to a hospital yes right far away from anakin um

[01:25:58] in answer to your question sonia i do like paralleling those two actions against each other

[01:26:04] i wish for someone like george who talks so much about trying to create like visual repetition

[01:26:10] mm-hmm circular imagery throughout the films they're constructed in very different ways

[01:26:17] they're cutting back and forth between the two and i think he could have like from a nerdy

[01:26:21] filmmaking perspective really created like visual contrast yeah similarities between the two things

[01:26:29] whereas now it's just two actions being presented shot in very different ways um but

[01:26:35] delivery room the robot comes out she hasn't given birth to one even one of the babies yet

[01:26:41] right and the robot comes out with his little class pans he's got kind of like sad face he's

[01:26:50] looks a little bit like walley yeah he has he's creepy walley eyes yeah yeah it wouldn't be funny

[01:26:55] though if he was a doctor and he had to like load like a frowny face emoji you know like

[01:26:59] but then if he had good news he would load like that you know i was gonna say do you think

[01:27:03] they have a bad news robot and a good yeah they might they had like a patch Adams robot the other

[01:27:09] one waves his arms around and he has big goofy eyes and this one has sad eyes and he clasps his

[01:27:15] hands but he goes um it's fascinating medically she's in perfect condition i'm paraphrasing her

[01:27:22] but this is really what he said there's nothing we can this is really wrong with her he goes it's

[01:27:26] weird medically she's in perfect condition but yet she seems to be we seem to be losing her

[01:27:32] it's almost as if she has lost the will to live she delivers two babies yep which is a very taxing

[01:27:39] physical not easy although it seems easy so maybe there's some technology oh yeah they use

[01:27:45] like the scoop arms and a vacuum and just yeah i like don't even know what's happening under that

[01:27:51] hood but that is true my point is within the world that we know right perhaps not georgey

[01:27:56] porgy's fan a menace world but within the world we know it is very difficult to have a baby yeah

[01:28:01] to physically deliver a baby it's a memorable day when it happens i think it's usually like this was

[01:28:07] quite a day good or bad you remember yeah yeah and two in a row two in a row two in a row pretty big

[01:28:16] not easy in olden times and let's not forget that is a galaxy far away a long time ago is a period

[01:28:22] piece there yeah it's a period film right in olden times many women would not survive child

[01:28:27] birds and they would not go i guess she has lost the will to live they'd go hey guess what delivering

[01:28:32] babies is really tough and if you're even slightly hobbled when you start doing it

[01:28:38] it might kill you why don't they why doesn't the doctor say like yeah you know

[01:28:42] apparently it seems like she has just been choked and assaulted by an extremely powerful Jedi

[01:28:48] did that happen recently that would help explain all of this did you know i mean they're

[01:28:53] making dying of a broken heart she died of a real thing right but your point is like from a story

[01:28:58] perspective she is in a weakened physical state right did not know she had two babies within her

[01:29:04] and now it's to deliver both at the same time yeah that might kill someone in her position

[01:29:08] especially someone as slight as she is to begin with she's undernourished right i clearly she'd

[01:29:14] never been to a gynecologist no she didn't know she had two babies and it was in secret

[01:29:18] secret pregnancy yeah that must be why although she could have just bought a this doctor right

[01:29:26] he's a robot just go to like sears and get a doctor robot it's a really good point i want to see

[01:29:31] something about paperwork please and i hate it i hate it are you gonna say jimmy smiths no i love

[01:29:36] jimmy smiths i love jimmy smiths but i hate bits i hate bits love smiths pro bits anti-smiths

[01:29:41] no fucking i flipped it oh no now we're proven anti-bits first minutes anti-bits first

[01:29:48] anyway so this movie has a lot of CGI crack has a lot of crappy set design as a result

[01:29:55] i can't wait to hear it's got pillars there's that scene with the pillars i've mentioned it so many

[01:29:58] times on this podcast but when the pregnancy is announced they're in this room that's just

[01:30:03] infinite pillars it's just a copy paste of pillars you know like it's just there's

[01:30:06] some things like well come on guys jimmy smiths drives a ship and then he's got the organa people

[01:30:12] have this ship your gana mobile jim jimmy smiths jimmy smiths ship the jimmy ship we're pro smith

[01:30:18] smith god damn going going it is the greatest set they have had in any of these movies the ship

[01:30:24] itself yes it's got this like crazy like white interior it's really minimal and simple do you

[01:30:30] know what i'm talking about you only see it for like one minute at the end of the movie wait

[01:30:35] the it's called like what the hell is the ship called but which one i'm sorry i don't even remember

[01:30:39] which one jimmy smiths ship it's it's jimmy smith if i start it's organa what's it what's it's a huge

[01:30:45] ship we're not talking like a little cruise no it's a big ship he's in bail organa spaceship

[01:30:50] interior this is what's being googled right now do you guys not know what i'm talking no i have

[01:30:54] no i have no i have no i don't know where to go i'm gonna try to find the scene where to

[01:30:58] here tontos heroes regroup that's it the tontip for yeah we were watching it now yeah it's this thing

[01:31:04] so it's like the ship on the outside kind of looks like a blockade runner that's what it's called it

[01:31:08] looks like a wiener on the outside we have to say it's long and it's covered true in top and then

[01:31:11] like it's it's sort of it's got wings it's got no it's not it's that it's all wings okay that

[01:31:16] oh god it has like a bunch of circular engines we see inside this thing briefly are we gonna see

[01:31:23] inside it now and um uh is it is it this thing no no here watch watcher we're about to see it i

[01:31:30] think who's this is this will be one docking with it yeah i think so but this is your point that ship

[01:31:34] has a nice interior too i want to say i like look at this interior it's look at this it's a real

[01:31:40] set this is really good it's fantastic yeah yeah that's a great scene yeah and like it feels like a

[01:31:46] definable place right okay can i and it has the right aesthetic a lot of the stuff on

[01:31:51] course on doesn't feel right and there's one other time the movie does this and i hate bits

[01:31:55] i hate them we don't like that and it's at the end when vader and palpatine and some other guy are

[01:32:00] hanging out on an imperial cruiser and they're looking out at the stars at this thing being

[01:32:05] built the the killer planet whatever it's called uh that is also a great set yes with his like

[01:32:10] corridor that he walks down and there's all these people like working in the pit below him

[01:32:13] and you sort of get the idea that like the empire is sort of brushing away all the sort of like

[01:32:18] art you know the the gold and the lavish of the old era you're talking about the killer star yeah the

[01:32:23] killer the killer star death planet yeah whatever i also hate bits it doesn't even need repeating

[01:32:28] the thing i hate both of you the other thing i think because i'm looking at this design right

[01:32:34] and it's like no one can see what we're talking about this is a practical set it's a white hallway

[01:32:38] yeah there's some stuff on the walls but it looks like the real inside of like a military vehicle

[01:32:43] right of like a submarine or something there's a basis in reality it's not just business it's not

[01:32:47] just ornate design for design sake right and it is it's practical yeah and it's clean it's minimalistic

[01:32:53] there's not they had to build this do you know what this kind of reminds me of in a very primal way

[01:32:58] what and i hate bits i'm just gonna restate this i you know because i know fuck bits people are

[01:33:03] saying oh this is getting so dry now this is getting so dry but it's because we hate bits

[01:33:07] that we're gonna talk very dry about all this the Darth Vader design honestly there's a

[01:33:12] classicism yeah exactly to that to the killer star to the interior of this ship

[01:33:18] they all look fucking they're they're intelligently elegant they look tactile they're tactile they're

[01:33:23] great love it anyway good sidebar we were talking about Baylor come on i hate both of you so much

[01:33:30] sonia thank you so much for being on the show we love you sonia and we love bits i mean we hate

[01:33:35] that's what ben's been doing but that's what i was gonna do guys so uh keeping tom haasley over

[01:33:40] yeah he's the peeper he's the peeper look at the peepers the new name just so ben's suggestion

[01:33:45] wasn't told at end i would like to uh present for this new segment star wars what ifs okay i'd like

[01:33:53] to present uh this is al Pacino as Padme Amidala

[01:34:09] i'm not laughing oh i love it everyone else loved it the room the room loved it the room

[01:34:16] maybe we'll do the performance review next time or uh yeah it's about syncing up guests but we got

[01:34:20] some good ones going up we're gonna we're gonna do a performance review and we're going to do

[01:34:23] jenny tartosky's clone wars jenny tartosky my favorite living filmmaker director of hotel

[01:34:28] transylvania and hotel transylvania 2 did a clone wars micro series animated micro series i think is

[01:34:33] better on the cartoon network i believe yes better than the film and so we're gonna do that

[01:34:38] we're gonna do performance review we'll see which one comes next but those are both coming up in

[01:34:42] your future they're coming along a short time ahead in a galaxy very close by

[01:34:48] hi don't make fun of me that's my real voice it is not yes it is i talk like this you're never

[01:34:58] gonna get a pixar movie i'm never gonna get a pixar movie my career is ruined um producer ben final

[01:35:04] thoughts uh i don't know sorry we dragged you out here for on the sunday but no it's okay it was fun

[01:35:12] i mean at first

[01:35:14] no it was fun no i mean the previous episode i was mad yeah i was mad he doesn't talk much in last

[01:35:22] week's episode wait why was ben mad i just didn't want to see i just didn't want to be here doing it but

[01:35:27] i warmed up and this one had a lot of fun watching you guys hey i think it was aw yay no no do it

[01:35:37] i got very little sleep last night i'm ready to fucking slam performance left right hung over and

[01:35:42] i'm tired i'm sad i'm doing great we have a very special guest today chris gethard chris gethard

[01:35:49] how you doing he's a comedian he's an actor he's a hero of ours thank you he's the the host of the

[01:35:54] chris gethard show right yeah yes yeah but you are an actor i also am an actor yeah yeah i mean this

[01:35:59] is an important thing to know i'm not an actor but you two are actors you guys have a perspective

[01:36:04] i'm a critic you're viewing other actors yeah i have to be very mindful of the craft yeah of course

[01:36:09] their work and like you should be mindful of the situation they were in which was a tough one

[01:36:14] absolutely context is important you know the environment i mean you spent a lot of time on

[01:36:17] set you've been working a lot the last couple years yeah i've been on sets in multiple different

[01:36:21] sets or two i've lingered around a craft service table or two but you've worked on big budget

[01:36:25] stuff you worked on small budgets i guess yeah i guess that's true i mean you've been cut

[01:36:28] out of some very big budget stuff just what's that you looked i don't know i'm not saying that as a slam

[01:36:36] that's a fact you were on a very big budget set i'm not doing a sore spot literally two minutes into

[01:36:43] the podcast you just made our guest cut out iron man three i'm not psyched about it i'm not psyched

[01:36:50] about it either i wish you were in it but you were on that set i might get cut out of ghost

[01:36:54] busters next year you were in ghost busters who knows that's a question is that just called ghost

[01:37:00] busters or does it have a new is it just actually not sure it's like does it have a different

[01:37:04] i don't even know if i was allowed to say that that might be a sqlusey or it might be something

[01:37:09] that's sqlusey sqlusey oh boy yeah that might be something come up hook into our podcast how

[01:37:13] long is this i don't know 90 minutes 90 minutes and drifing behaves this way the whole time

[01:37:19] this is maybe the best behavior i've been on in weeks usually i talk about robot plusy and

[01:37:24] racist essays i wrote neith krey you only did that the one time but uh robot i talk about oh yeah

[01:37:29] not that much this season because my favorite robot robot side piece is that there's another

[01:37:34] very basic thing about watching revenge of the sith last night and this is something i knew but i

[01:37:38] don't think you know i had so much emotion watching them in the theater when they were

[01:37:42] out big conclusion of the fame star was yes the yeah i had watched the first one

[01:37:46] in the second one and everything had built to this right uh but one thing i really really

[01:37:51] that really rings out that's such a simple fix that i think makes all three movies we love these

[01:37:56] 20 percent better yeah if the droids are your bad guys they should not all sound like assholes

[01:38:05] should not all sound like total dorks everything is like me Roger Roger Roger the worst thing to

[01:38:11] me is that they literally go uh oh and like oh oh yeah there's like one part where in revenge of the

[01:38:17] sith and spy would imagine free reign of spoilers right oh yeah spoiler if we've gone like when obi

[01:38:23] wan and anakin uh go into to rescue uh the chancellor and then those two big r2s hiding out

[01:38:30] those two big droids come back and they're straight up like oh yeah well that's a Jedi that's a

[01:38:34] Jedi worship so if these guys are supposed to be fucking scary make them sound well this

[01:38:39] is formidable there's never any stakes when the Jedi are facing off with the droids which they do

[01:38:43] frequently they're completely disposable of course it's just like oh let's deal with this

[01:38:47] like like they're sneezing on him basically the Jedi just well you know but even r2 with his

[01:38:51] inspector gadget routine can shut down a few yeah he can pee pee oil yeah make them slip and that

[01:38:58] that's not the greatest i would also say that when it lights on fire it's actually

[01:39:05] weirdly grim and violent compared to everything else that's ever happened in star wars this is a

[01:39:10] pretty grim movie right i'd say compared to the other two movies there's some grim content in this

[01:39:15] movie and we've talked about this before for some reason i don't know if it's it's uh thematically

[01:39:21] the way the scenes are set up if it's visually the way they're designed the robot deaths in

[01:39:25] this movie are a lot more violent than in the first two yeah the deaths feel kind of gross and

[01:39:31] sad i would say this too i watched the movie and there were stretches where i got very bored

[01:39:38] and restless because of it's long yeah but i noticed they all involved specific actors which probably

[01:39:43] ties in well today to a performance review oh definitely a lot of stretches i was actually

[01:39:46] into it but i would also argue this if it ended was it order 66 i believe yes order 66 yeah if

[01:39:52] it ended after the sequence that showed order 66 and uh yoda just went into hiding if it

[01:40:00] ended with the thing where yoda gets inside that little little uh blaster if that movie ended there

[01:40:07] i would say that it might actually be a satisfying film so that's probably an hour 45 in probably

[01:40:13] like that's another like 30 to 40 because then you got you still got the whole anakin and them going

[01:40:18] back to the jedi temple all that all that stuff if it just ended with yoda taking off yeah not a

[01:40:23] bad film i agree even darker though but you know what that would be that would be a film that

[01:40:28] was setting up another film right that would be a film that was leaving you with some nice

[01:40:32] meaty cliff hangers what's gonna happen anakin this is the completion of a story christ you have to

[01:40:36] absolutely and i feel and i would also leave so many loose ends that you couldn't tie up all

[01:40:40] those loose ends you'd have to commit to making like another three films yeah yeah but that's a dream

[01:40:44] that's the dream i mean i don't know if you know this george lucas did kind of stealthily sell

[01:40:50] lucas film to disney a couple years ago yeah and so we've been theorizing that disney i mean

[01:40:54] they have this property the original three films aren't very well loved but we're very successful

[01:40:58] yeah they might try to make another movie i mean we keep on hoping that they'll announce an episode

[01:41:03] four any day which would probably wouldn't come out till like 2018 i would i mean if they made an

[01:41:08] episode four i'd be really interested and you know it'd be cool about that too is like seeing all our

[01:41:14] like our original cast come back now aged you know seeing like hayden and you and a 40 something

[01:41:20] you and migreger yeah the holy trinity are you know our three leans yeah an oscar now and now oscar

[01:41:26] to natalie portman yeah um okay let's let's get through let's okay yes i'm gonna i'm looking at as

[01:41:32] i usually do i'm looking at cast member by cast member yeah yeah i'm gonna go from the top which is

[01:41:37] fun oh can i say one other thing any very one other general thing before we go right so i'm

[01:41:41] really focused on anything you want yeah in the in the when they go

[01:41:48] wait where are they when obi one is riding around on that giant lizard that's my favorite part of

[01:41:52] the movie it's called like utapu or utapa something like that it's a general grievous that oh my god

[01:41:59] okay we're gonna talk about general grievous later oh my god maybe the worst

[01:42:03] you're gonna be the worst i have so fucking worst but that lizard that obi one inexplicably rides

[01:42:08] around on there's never been a more blatant cash grab at making a toy than that works for me my favorite

[01:42:15] character i would say why does that shit exist i don't know and i don't know why i'm making crazy

[01:42:20] we've talked about this the scene is like they're like oh he's downstairs and obi one's like great

[01:42:25] do you have like an iguana maybe i could ride downstairs like rather than just level 10 great

[01:42:30] should i wait for help or should i get on this thing that kids might buy wait i would say general

[01:42:35] grievous is a pretty blatant toy general grievous is the word i mean poorly everything about him

[01:42:41] is poorly executed animated no one cares about his opinions he's constantly just with that one part

[01:42:47] remember that one part where he shows up on a ship and then it's just like him and huffing and

[01:42:51] puffing he just like gets off the ship and he's in a big rush he looks like a fucking dick

[01:42:56] man looks like a dickhead well he's always coughing i mean he's another middle manager and

[01:43:02] they did not do a good job of explaining who he is at all they don't do any job who is he we did we

[01:43:07] did some research a little investigation which is the the star wars wikipedia and general grievous

[01:43:14] was a young warrior who fell in love with a woman who died and uh he wasn't general grievous yet

[01:43:19] yeah he had like an identical art Anakin i don't think you can tell the whole grievous story

[01:43:25] the love killed him and then they turned him into a he's like an early prototype of anakin so yeah

[01:43:31] and and like as far as dark theater goes it was like there were some things about him that were

[01:43:34] messed up and then they got it right yeah they were like we need to make some changes one he

[01:43:38] shouldn't cough he can he can have like a throaty breathing maybe but i'm sure everybody has a

[01:43:44] weak point but if his is that you can just shoot him in the heart maybe we use some of this

[01:43:48] armor to cover his fucking heart and then when you shoot him in the heart when you shoot his heart

[01:43:54] it catches on fire and then his head explodes of his body general grievous is the worst thing about

[01:44:00] all three movies i would say worse than jar jar binks i think you said something i've been in the

[01:44:04] river of him yeah please go ahead ian mcdermitt fail oh now now what's your reasoning and now i

[01:44:12] was watching with this analysis and i think we've given him passes for every movie and he's great

[01:44:17] he's great except for one scene oh what's the scene which ruins it all oh my god his behavior

[01:44:23] during the confrontation with mace windu no it is so bizarre that it undercuts everything else he did

[01:44:40] in that movie i felt bad i felt like kevin arnold you know what i mean you know what do you think

[01:44:45] was going on in that because like you're talking that's the scene that's it all rests on that scene

[01:44:52] that's where anakin retrains the kid the jedi that's where he's got to turn it all around i thought sam

[01:44:57] el jackson was pretty great and that's he's fantastic in that scene we're about to get to him ian mcdermitt

[01:45:01] it's like there's so many moments in all three of these movies where you're like

[01:45:05] was anyone watching while this like was anyone even watching them or were they all just fiddling

[01:45:11] with gadgets and lights probably you gotta remember as well like probably independent movies i don't

[01:45:16] know if the studio is like looking at the dailies and being like hey george do you want to maybe like

[01:45:21] total free range adjust every well the problem is the tone is all out of whack right he's all

[01:45:25] the way up here and then like aiding christiansen is all the way down here and samuel jackson's

[01:45:29] really i think finding a sweet spot but his i would say because i was i'll tell you all

[01:45:34] throughout the beginning of that movie i was like this feels great this feels like like uh

[01:45:39] this feels like a bad guy performance in like an old like boris carloff style right feels like a

[01:45:45] lovably hammy bad guy yeah but once he in that in that maze windows scene oh my god and then even

[01:45:53] afterwards once he turns into like a total plant and for a movie that's so dedicated cgi all of a

[01:45:58] sudden you just hang up you you fucking it's like you just melt a couple pieces of plastic

[01:46:02] stick them on his cheeks like that's the one real thing you do like even that he said when he was

[01:46:08] like and i have and like that addressed to the senate yeah where he proclaimed he has now settled

[01:46:14] he has now settled into it as like he's a total evil cartoon character right and even that i buy

[01:46:20] that maze windows scene is so bad that it gives me it makes me fail you don't buy the transformation

[01:46:24] i mean it's so many what about the do you like the earlier scenes the opera house scene all that stuff

[01:46:33] oh my god and the writing in that when he literally when when palpatine goes he's a traitor and maze

[01:46:39] windows responses you're a traitor just for background like this podcast generally is

[01:46:46] anti-bits very much pro-smiths we've never waited on the nature of this performance exactly but

[01:46:51] we just like jimmy smith who doesn't like jimmy smith that's what i was gonna say i give him a soft

[01:46:56] pass i would do it's a soft he didn't do much except just be jimmy smith his big scene is where he

[01:47:01] he watches the teenager jedi die remember and he sort of goes no like during that teenager jedi

[01:47:08] that's one of the best performance well wait till you hear who he is we'll get to his his

[01:47:13] fucking real name wait till you hear who he is uh smiths is a soft past mostly just i mean

[01:47:19] handsome he's a good one scene where he's like my my wife and i've always wanted a girl and you're

[01:47:23] like i don't know his wife but like i believe this you know i will say just again about the writing

[01:47:27] of that i'm like dude straight up the whole world is falling apart there's been a coup of the

[01:47:34] galaxy the entire galaxy is a coup and the defenders of peace and justice are all dead and

[01:47:39] you're like my wife and i we mean to without even thinking of getting a three bedroom you

[01:47:44] know expanding has to have a big way i'm giving him a fail i'm gonna give him a fail too i mean

[01:47:50] like he never brought it home yeah and you're saying like odds at a good job and like yeah it's

[01:47:54] a great voice we know frank os can can spend a lot of cash just because he's a hired gun and he

[01:47:59] does what he's done you know what i mean this is a guy who's sitting in a booth not on like this one

[01:48:03] yeah he's as far like he doesn't even have the pleasure of green screens or eye contact

[01:48:08] do you know what i mean just to clarify when you say a booth just like this one you mean

[01:48:11] the booth that is currently being run by producer ben aka the ben dooser aka pradoer ben aka the haas

[01:48:19] aka the poet laureate aka mr positive aka the peeper aka oh yeah the new one of course yeah you're

[01:48:26] the peeper hey yeah i've been here the whole time guys thanks for introducing me yes sorry ben

[01:48:32] no it's all right uh i mean i don't have much to add i hate this movie ben's really mad at us

[01:48:38] ben was like actively angry last last time we've recorded he doesn't like that this show

[01:48:42] exists well i had to come in on a sunday and hear these guys for like four hours talk about this one

[01:48:47] face is turning scarlet right now yeah you're legitimately furious yeah that's all right though

[01:48:53] mr positive okay ben just four more oh we're so close four more years i want to move on though i

[01:48:58] want to move on to anthony daniels c3 p o yeah but also rate review and subscribe tonight yes

[01:49:04] please those are the two things that ben has to do at the beginning of the show do it do it next is

[01:49:09] wane pygrim as governor tarkin who we don't even hear speak in this movie i don't even remember him

[01:49:15] being in the movie he's in one scene at the end of the movie he's standing with darth vader and

[01:49:20] darth city is watching that that circular the sphere thing get made oh the killer star yeah and

[01:49:26] he's just standing out there with them what was that sphere thing oh who knows they're

[01:49:30] obsessed with it they'd like vaguely allude to it being like a big weapon but it's never really

[01:49:34] fucking explain here so i guess he's like a sort of future empire bureaucrat guy i mean he's literally

[01:49:41] a background player and he's got this insane makeup he's got the biggest cheekbones this guy probably

[01:49:46] wasn't even sag he had to be non-union this guy's background purely you think he got an extra

[01:49:51] right i think got extra i'm giving him a fail because this guy dumb face he's just dumb face

[01:49:56] i don't like this face i would say fail if they want to bill him that high then i'm gonna judge him

[01:50:00] for what he did he was not impressed just um i'm gonna move on to david bowers as mass ameda

[01:50:08] is this guy made oh pass he's the um he's palpatine's that blue guy with the horns yeah palpatine's

[01:50:14] like what is he like his secretary i don't know work can't take my eyes off him pass in one of

[01:50:19] the movies he says this is a crisis right i don't remember which one though i think it's

[01:50:24] the deck of the clones because it's in the trailer i just remember that yeah there's a random

[01:50:28] there's lots of chaos and then they just got to him going this is a crisis but david you remember

[01:50:32] that line reading enough to be able to properly impersonate his voice he's in there he had a

[01:50:37] buttery baritone he's a pass wait i'm just now i'm now i'm interested enough just to find

[01:50:42] out what david bowers is oh my god oh my god i'm glad i clicked on his imdb page here's his bio

[01:50:48] he is best known for his classic line i'm not getting in star wars episode to attack the clones

[01:50:54] quote this is a crisis that is literally the top of his imdb profile

[01:51:04] he'll be remembered i'm amazed he didn't pick up more work off that because he killed it

[01:51:09] okay here we go this is good this is good

[01:51:13] mathew wood as general grievous fail now you want to talk about this one what a

[01:51:22] fucking piece of shit character what a pile of shit performance what an insulting to everybody's

[01:51:28] fucking intelligence both intellectually and emotionally speaking what a fucking train wreck

[01:51:34] character skittering on the floor like a little fucking jerk when you're supposed to be this

[01:51:39] person everybody's chasing how did this person rise to prominence in any army why are the Jedi

[01:51:44] so obsessed with getting this bumbling fool that can't do anything right none of it makes sense the

[01:51:49] performance is deplorable i hate it i hate everything about general grievous it three fails here no

[01:51:55] question i'm also gonna give him my lvp i'm gonna give him my award for me as a player

[01:52:00] absolutely i didn't give out a value most valuable player i don't know who i'd give it to i

[01:52:03] guess i'm gonna have to think about that it might be sam jackson anyway that's as well as

[01:52:08] your mvp i'm wondering who the mvp is yeah i got mine all right so i think this might be a is it

[01:52:13] ben cook as kit fisto ding ding ding kit fisto is the shit did you sense from the key outy

[01:52:21] mundi plow clune obsession i got it i got the is there a character in these movies that you see

[01:52:26] less of that you want more of more than kit fisto in the second one in the third one

[01:52:33] give me my fist though what's the deal he looks cool acts cool everything about kit fisto is fucking

[01:52:40] cool carries this film carries this film absolute mvp without this without without the keystone

[01:52:49] that is kit fisto this whole movie crumbles kit fisto by far by far you get this sense

[01:52:57] i could tell you i saw kit fisto for roughly four seconds in this film here's what i know

[01:53:01] kit fisto jedi master yeah but probably on the younger side probably on the more rebellious side

[01:53:06] goes off and does kit fisto's thing a little too often for the jedi council's comfort yeah but gets

[01:53:10] things done his own way maybe doesn't need the clones as much as others maybe he's one of the ones

[01:53:15] that's voiced some discontent about why are we relying on this because it's easy that's never

[01:53:19] been our way kit fisto is someone who gets out in the field doesn't think kit fisto doesn't

[01:53:23] care if he needs to go undercover clandestine for months even years at a time kit fisto gets

[01:53:27] the job done maybe kit fisto doesn't play nice with others maybe kit fisto doesn't get along

[01:53:32] with everybody all the time he doesn't play the politics he doesn't play the game he goes and

[01:53:36] he gets it done like a jedi kit fisto mvp now always serac wow i just to clarify for you guys

[01:53:47] he's the guy with the green treadlocks he's got big black big guys big bug eyes and treadlocks

[01:53:55] in the second movie i think he pushes someone over a drawing over and he's like he's got like

[01:54:00] six running like a mother fucker when they go inside that big stadium that's very convenient for

[01:54:05] the fucking battle he's running like i'm going to fuck shit up and he's psyched that he gets to

[01:54:10] do it kit fisto seems you know what it seems like like every jedi master has a stretch before

[01:54:16] he's a master where he just gets real into the fact that he can fuck shit up and i get

[01:54:20] the sense that kit fisto is right in that phase he hasn't settled down yet it's not about wisdom

[01:54:25] it's about fucking shit up and talk about tragedy cut down the prime of his life i mean you're saying

[01:54:29] this is a man with only potential ahead of him my guess is that if you like it like if i would

[01:54:34] have to because i'd have to imagine that these jedi as individuals are legendary characters like

[01:54:38] like uh you know like baseball players or basketball players are to us when we're kids

[01:54:42] and i have to i have to imagine i don't think kit fisto is the lebron james that's probably

[01:54:47] yoda yeah sure right and then you got kevin doran is probably mace windu yeah uh ki adi mundi

[01:54:53] is probably i think he's demarcus cousins he's like a demarcus how the fuck did you do this

[01:54:57] you're talking about basketball yeah demarcus who's your who's your kit fisto then he's like

[01:55:00] in a guadala west bro oh that's great kit fisto is west brook all day yeah all day he just

[01:55:08] brings the tell me that doesn't make no no it makes total sense it makes so he's someone

[01:55:11] who approaches his job with joy and energy and fury he's a wrecking ball but that it's like but

[01:55:18] here's the thing like but he needs to be pulled back sometimes and a surprisingly high assist great

[01:55:22] yeah you know like you think he's a wrecking ball on a ball hog but guess what serge abaca

[01:55:27] is not hitting corner threes without west brook going one on four and drawing all the attention

[01:55:32] but kit fisto enters situation he's you know what he is he's responsible anakin yeah so you

[01:55:39] think maybe they should just invest the anakin money right and get fester i want to see a movie

[01:55:42] about kit fisto do you want to see it with ki adi mundi and plow clune yeah i want to three of them

[01:55:47] hang it out tell me you wouldn't watch a movie where they're like are you kidding me jedi wrecking

[01:55:52] crew those are the three everybody wants to see so do you want to know something interesting

[01:55:57] about ben cook who plays good this is like the snake eyes from gi joe yeah he's snake

[01:56:02] eyes uh-huh now i just want to show you here's a picture of ben cook everything here he is

[01:56:06] what does that guy look like who does he look like jason say them guess who he is jason

[01:56:10] say them sundubble boom oh my god that's he plays jason jason say them stunt double in like so many

[01:56:17] movies wow man for the list of a fight coordinator in a lot of movies are other people obsessed with

[01:56:23] kit fisto yes oh yeah i think kit fisto is a real because he'd look at his look you know the best

[01:56:28] there's like a big kit fist so following i'm really glad that any place i can get more info on

[01:56:32] kit fisto wikipedia will tell you lots about kit fisto and are there comic books and shit

[01:56:37] i think so do we know yeah there's expanded universe kiff is a lot of expanded here all the

[01:56:41] kids we're basically done but there are come on we're not done we're just getting started we've

[01:56:45] just got the fisto there are two performances i really want to highlight kit kit single syllable

[01:56:51] strong kit it's not like plakvar one of these dumb fucking buzz bee whatever these

[01:56:56] fucking dumb george lucas names are names not plakvar buzzes kit fisto no my god fisto he's a

[01:57:04] jedi he's a fighter it makes sense even plo clune is pushing kiyoti money rad name plo clune right on

[01:57:09] the edge yeah kit fisto tell me more kit fisto yes yes yes his distinctive head tentacles

[01:57:18] contains highly sensitive olfactory receptors yes he smells to his tentacles yes that allowed

[01:57:25] him to detect pheromonal expressions of emotion yes he could smell emotion yes and other changes

[01:57:33] of body chemistry what a crazy power this was indeed a unique attribute not afforded to any other species

[01:57:39] of jedi so was it is it his species or is it him his combination of his species and his jedi

[01:57:46] he was a master he was on the high council what's his what's his planet what's his race yeah

[01:57:50] what's his alien type his alien type there's a lot of tentacle peoples in this in this

[01:57:56] universe yeah all the twi leg uh which i think there maybe was only that one people like i

[01:58:01] see people dressed up as twi leg yeah his planet there is another guy there's a guy i think please

[01:58:08] his his homeworld is called glee and selm uh i like that cool all right his species is that he is

[01:58:15] a nautilion nautilion he knew he had some kind of a nice old fashioned name dude so sweat he's amphibious

[01:58:23] he's an amphibious jedi like a mother i'm gonna let you because this is a very long wokipedia

[01:58:28] answer give me your phone i just read some of the yes the headings yes of the separate sections

[01:58:33] yes for how cool this guy's history was okay battle of genosis we know this this is when he

[01:58:37] comes into the arena starts fighting the club battle of mon calamari oh tasty and look it's

[01:58:43] him shirtless underwater fighting with a lightsaber underwater is this from a comic book or something

[01:58:48] let me say yeah holy shit ripped skirmish on kamino not a battle skirmish just a skirmish you know why

[01:58:56] i was just a skirmish because fisto ended in the book he nipped that shit in the bud kamino

[01:59:01] to remind you is the planet where the clones are made that's true maybe skirmish someone

[01:59:06] was trying to shut down those clones skirmish on devaron okay whatever yeah mission on ord sest

[01:59:15] so he's a maybe secret agent stuff at that point trading this guy goes undercover he don't bring

[01:59:23] 55 clones in a big weird helicopter with his green tentacle hair how's he gonna go smells

[01:59:29] your happiness and he gets it done smells your deception in your life duel with a cyborg what

[01:59:35] who damn why isn't this in the movie though this is the thing anytime i read this shit you're like

[01:59:40] wait where is this in the movie all this shit fisto this is why so fisto is i feel like even

[01:59:47] again all fisto doesn't three is get like cut into pieces by palpatine he at least fights him

[01:59:53] for a second he fights pump does he come in with mace windew yeah and that cool bad ass shot

[01:59:58] where they walk through he's what's cool and badass about it return to monkelamar

[02:00:03] he remembers back for more wouldn't honest to god and i know i'm hyping him up i know i'm flipping

[02:00:09] out yeah but it's fun it's just this is the star wars fanboy yeah not that i grew up with it

[02:00:14] but i locked into it but like if you bought a star wars toy you might want yourself of kit fisto

[02:00:19] i'm just saying wouldn't you if they let those jedi charge in and mace windew charged in and

[02:00:25] was like go and kit fist you kit fisto ran for it and it was like a three minute battle between palpatine

[02:00:31] and fisto wouldn't it be significantly better movie yeah no question i mean it would probably have

[02:00:37] been on oscar contender in that case right absolutely no question jason statham stunt double

[02:00:43] amazing killed any other thoughts chris as you leave us uh let's see the other people i have

[02:00:50] on my fantasy team i took kevin love when hassan white side is still available i don't know if i like

[02:00:55] that kevin loves a good choice did you see the one saying they're gonna run the offense through

[02:00:59] kevin i know and hassan white side is kind of so griffin you're starting to kind of get what i'm

[02:01:04] i got every week now i i finally understand like this is this is hill hill head of producer ben

[02:01:10] that's good yep this is what feels like a haunted goblins and vader i just wanted to send them

[02:01:15] my percentages get just sounds like another language happening in front of you i mean yeah

[02:01:19] that's what this feels like right now you did i don't understand it and i'm angry simultaneously

[02:01:23] and then i got john wall right no i always but you can't you guys add to it like nothing you could

[02:01:28] off so happy nothing he's this is a terrible podcasting right now i've always wanted to have a team with

[02:01:33] john wall but he never i oh well last year i picked first this year i picked last he always

[02:01:37] knows right yeah i almost got a miss sure i would love to have john wall that's very it's appropriate

[02:01:42] i'm not i'm not sad about uh damian lily like i prefer john wall right lily's gonna be great and

[02:01:48] paul george i think will be good honestly you know who i took the tj mcallum i mean he scored 37 points

[02:01:53] last year so you guys are gonna go off this year i'm not gonna love this i mean he's like portland

[02:01:58] that's awesome yeah i could feel like i could come up with a cooler character exactly i did

[02:02:01] i did labor in love with him i ask if you love him there's a difference you mean in love in loving

[02:02:05] trying to think i love i honestly i'll put it as a challenge i bet i'll show you i'll show you

[02:02:09] i could come up with a better character by next episode okay that's your assignment next

[02:02:12] week you have to come over my phone i want to show david my fantasy team okay so thank you so much

[02:02:16] for listening to this show thank you guys it's right behind you great review subscribe um i'm really

[02:02:22] busy finishing the podcast i'm sorry my hands are occupied um uh david don't hand that phone

[02:02:27] over to chris well we're we're signing off great review and subscribe uh listen to other

[02:02:31] ucb podcasts next week ben's gonna come up with an original character that sounds awesome

[02:02:36] star wars what if segment this is if al pechino was a battle droid roger roger and as always so it's

[02:02:44] always gonna be pechino i don't know we're pressed for time we always put it off to the last second

[02:02:48] i don't know what else to do uh merchandise spotlight buy a kipfisto action figure um and this

[02:02:55] is a gray one this is a great one this is a great one was it okay oh this is one of the best

[02:03:00] for the first time producer ben aka produer ben aka the ben dooser aka the poet laureate aka the haas

[02:03:07] aka mr positive people are just like to lead the peeper aka i like the peeper yeah peepers good we all

[02:03:14] like the peeper peeper plays uh aka hello fennel uh uh ben haasley himself uh played our theme music

[02:03:21] i know it's weird as we start recording and then he said he would fade it out and then he just

[02:03:25] probably cut it off he just turned it off but no one needs to know that david

[02:03:30] shit you're a shoddy producer ben i'm calling you out fuck you once again ben is red with rage yeah

[02:03:37] it's like i'm trying to do something nice now i was gonna give me shit about it fuck you never

[02:03:41] get in the theme song and play in again ever again thank you ben you're welcome guest is laughing

[02:03:46] i guess i have a guy like uh i'm very excited about our guest today meet him he has been one of

[02:03:51] our earliest and most vocal supporters of the show i mean you know it's a genius game recognized game

[02:03:57] game recognized game uh he messaged me like three weeks into i think us doing the show and was like

[02:04:02] the thing i hate about the show is that i didn't have the idea for it was just like hats off

[02:04:08] and he himself talk about the phantom menace yep he himself is a comedian and an actor and a

[02:04:15] podcast host of what is my favorite podcast right now i will treat about it a lot treat about a lot

[02:04:22] i fucking love it it's called black man camp jump in hollywood his name is jonathan brailock hello

[02:04:28] thank you so much for being yeah thank you being on the show thank you guys for having and you

[02:04:31] brought a concept with you for this week's episode too i would say i okay that's awesome yes i did i

[02:04:37] i guess i did i kind of like i was like hey did you guys watch the uh the animated cartoons

[02:04:42] and you had right i had but not in is an advocate yeah yeah oh totally yeah chapter four

[02:04:48] kit fist yeah yeah and it is it's it's right off the bat and it's kit fist oh with a big smile

[02:04:54] like the first three episodes we're just dealing with our main hero yeah yeah yeah and it's the first

[02:04:58] guy we're taking off the bench fist oh and it's it's on mon calamari i think we talked about it

[02:05:02] with chris he goes underwater he rips office clothes yeah rips him off rips him up big grin

[02:05:08] shirtless yeah dives in the water you guys liked that yeah oh yeah yeah that's so lame you're lame

[02:05:15] but you like this series and you don't like the kit fist those lame oh fuck yeah all right shots

[02:05:20] fired okay i'm calling it out okay because like if you think about aquaman he's the worst character

[02:05:26] why do i want to see a fight in the the sea i like our kit fist still has a light see

[02:05:31] it yeah this was got ten bullshit underwater i want to see space fighting i want to see some

[02:05:36] fucking so you did you like the the pilot stuff though like the weird loop-de-loops and all that cool

[02:05:42] shit of course yeah that's cool if i'm watching star wars i want to see some space fighting i don't

[02:05:46] want to see some underwater bullshit so you just hate water yeah how do you like swimming ben

[02:05:52] i actually love me too did you like the snorke's what are snorke's they were like

[02:05:57] the they were like the smurfs but they were underwater it was like a hannah barbera no

[02:06:02] no it was like i haven't seen it but i'm gonna say no okay ben i think this is a good time

[02:06:06] to do a little sidebar what's up last week you were shit talking kit fisto at the end of the episode

[02:06:11] when david and gether we're talking about stupid basketball yes i recall and you said that you

[02:06:17] thought he was stupid and you said i think i could make up a better character than kit fisto and i

[02:06:20] said i challenge you and you today have prepared several characters you told me that yeah not just

[02:06:25] one yep ben's character spotlight these are producer ben's original star wars characters

[02:06:30] that he's gonna present for us right now not better than kit fisto out of the park okay here

[02:06:35] we go here we go um where to start anywhere literally anywhere for a second i thought you

[02:06:41] named a jedi where to start i would believe where to start okay first character his name is bat pecky

[02:06:50] okay okay bat pecky okay from the cave planet called craig on i hate this already i don't know

[02:06:56] he's a like he's a planet guys he's a bat man why okay go on sonar hearing well you're really

[02:07:04] against him you're you're brail i hate you can fly around he's got one he's like a bat i get it

[02:07:11] he's got white skin his parents are dead all right so he's just batman is it just it's a different

[02:07:17] villain bat man yeah this sounds from batman you mean man bat man bat yeah you're talking about

[02:07:23] man bat i'm talking about man bat so this sounds like man bat with bat man's backstory i want to

[02:07:27] point something out to you by the way it's chapter five is kit fisto chapter four you're

[02:07:31] off you're off episode i'm on wikipedia well fuck you i'm on wikipedia the definitive source

[02:07:38] chapter four is the one with that weird robot who's like made of these are flips in my thing but

[02:07:42] whatever we'll talk about these are very important characters spotlight everybody cares about all

[02:07:46] right second we got alo gashu it's a pretty good name yeah i actually yeah i actually like that

[02:07:52] all right uh he's a fucking huge jedi tired of this small like that i like that all right

[02:07:59] you know what's his species wow he's big he's a big jedi i'm tired of these small jedi

[02:08:06] attached to him is a quadro like conjoined twin twin named frank so like from total recall he's

[02:08:13] got like a tumor baby in his dark room in his chest yeah right big guy is all brawn little

[02:08:18] do smart his name's dink what's his name frank frank frank okay alo gashu aligashu can he do like

[02:08:27] any cool things like he's huge because kit fiso can swim and he can he can breathe underwater

[02:08:35] and he can smell emotions he can throw like force bubbles that can blow ships up he makes a

[02:08:41] kit fisto in episode four or five depending on what source you're going off of uh makes a force

[02:08:46] bubble a force bubble and then throws out of him it blows shit up uh i don't know he claps

[02:08:53] and the bill it's like really loud and they're like knocks take that way so aligashu has an

[02:09:01] unformed twin coming off of his body and he speaks in the bigger ones here it's like

[02:09:07] clap with it out now can he reach the ear is he where is he where is he looking i think he's

[02:09:12] like on the shoulder he's on the shoulder yeah so he literally just whispers in the ear

[02:09:16] he does all the talk all the talking okay aligashu and you have one more yes uh

[02:09:22] Darth stupid idiot and he's he's a fucking jerk uh he's always wet and tired

[02:09:32] he's always wet and tired why is he wet i don't know it's just kind of like i was thinking of like

[02:09:37] the coughing thing yeah like grievous is causing so this is his that he's just like

[02:09:42] wait to talk about it we're gonna talk about grievous he's always tired uh and he has a

[02:09:47] lightsaber that's a prolapse the anus with that i feel like we need to return yeah we have to return

[02:09:54] i think that was pretty solid yeah it's pretty it's my drop moment i think i gotta say too when ben

[02:10:00] said that he prepared characters before he started recording i said i bet one of these

[02:10:03] i mean named Darth bullshit i was pretty close yeah you were two additional thoughts as to

[02:10:07] why season three isn't as good uh and they're connected uh one is uh i think more anacinth

[02:10:14] century they're going yeah yeah well and this is all tied to this thing i think it was more handcuffed

[02:10:21] to leading into revenge of the sith like to that that is true they have to set up revenge of

[02:10:26] the they literally leave it off at the exact moment that the and this this aired in march

[02:10:32] 2005 right and then you know for the next few weeks so it was literally right before the

[02:10:37] movie came out the effects weren't locked but they were writing and animating this series

[02:10:40] knowing what revenge of the sith was yeah they probably were finishing the effects but

[02:10:43] had a final cut knew exactly what the movie was and george was like you have to take us to this finish

[02:10:47] line point two is i think george was far more involved in this one that's possible and i think

[02:10:52] that's connected to point one but i think these episodes are a lot more plot heavy yes there's

[02:10:57] a lot more dialogue in them yes it's not ever as bad as it is in the prequels but there are

[02:11:02] two things that happen a lot with the dialogue one is dumb jokie one liners there are some

[02:11:08] dumb jokie one liners wait can i tell you some picture of palpatine yes can i tell you oh yeah

[02:11:13] oh yeah can i tell you some things dumb jokie one liners oh no the lady must get you to safety

[02:11:20] no we have to evacuate the building get everyone to a shelter yes my lady an army of droids here

[02:11:27] i'd like to have a serious talk with your program come on three p.m oh that's it okay great job then

[02:11:34] that was really good i feel really good about that great job any boy uh yeah can i tell you something

[02:11:39] braylock is losing it listening to that out of context it is so bad yeah we don't really need to discuss

[02:11:45] the dialogue anymore that's you now get it's jokie or it's a lot more exposition heavy he's just

[02:11:51] yelling he's just yelling while battles going on he can't believe in our way of your programmers

[02:11:59] what are you talking c3bio you've seen droid army this is the years well i mean and we i think morgan

[02:12:04] referenced this in episode two when he's like machines making machines what are you everything

[02:12:09] are you talking about commonplace thing in the world why is c3bio so knowledgeable on so many things

[02:12:14] but on the most basic functions of machines he doesn't get it he knows six thousand it's

[02:12:23] languages are with a flip oh yeah he knows like how to talk to other robots but doesn't understand

[02:12:29] the machines make machines the other ones the other thing with c3bio is he seems to think that he's

[02:12:35] the only robot that can do anything like and he's a droid picking up a scoff yeah how dare they

[02:12:41] why did anakin program him to be this like a leadest leadest snobby uptight like oh my god

[02:12:49] it's everything that george claims he was trying to do with star wars one up by someone he hired

[02:12:55] yeah as a throw away sometimes three minute shorts that air before operation kids next

[02:13:00] store or whatever you know ban tan alien force right and this guy just fucking ran circles around

[02:13:06] gendy tartikovsky is a fucking boss i love it boss bitch super quick merchandise spotlight

[02:13:12] okay as you said he really wanted to jump start the toy sales well because attack of the clones

[02:13:17] mostly romance so kids didn't want to buy the toys so yeah that was the problem let's make a war

[02:13:21] plot line so they made up designed all these characters like dirge and assasins ventures i think

[02:13:25] were created to sell toys first and they started selling toys that summer that were like realistic

[02:13:32] like they looked like they were from the live action movies and they did all right yeah and people

[02:13:37] immediately were like why don't you have toys that look like these cartoon shows badass cartoon

[02:13:42] like the cartoon shows episodes were made to support the toy line right and so they finally like bent

[02:13:48] and were like fine we'll make them but they're gonna be really limited and they're only sold

[02:13:51] like target we're only making a couple characters and i like growing up in your city was not a

[02:13:55] target couldn't get him didn't have them last night while watching this in the middle like in

[02:14:00] breaks in between ejaculating everywhere i did immediately go on ebay and i ordered every

[02:14:05] so what what what are the toys uh it's a dooku yoda assajj ventris dirge anakin ob one

[02:14:13] mace windu and a clone troop damn so i ordered all of that you got all of those how much you spend

[02:14:19] 60 dollars that's pretty good that's pretty good yeah there was a grievous those were released during

[02:14:23] season one and two so grievous wasn't released until season three later so i have to buy him

[02:14:26] separately because it wasn't part of the set but grievous was at the end of season two

[02:14:29] yeah but they didn't make a toy season right because it was only in the last episode yeah the only

[02:14:33] other ones they made were grievous and then they made anakin covered in the blue lines and

[02:14:37] and they made a bunch of clone troopers in different colors but uh grievous is like the only

[02:14:41] unique character i don't have so i ordered all of those merchandise spotlight uh that's the power

[02:14:46] of merchandise can you bring them in when you get them yeah you make a thing i like you make a

[02:14:50] thing i like i'll buy it off ebay immediately we have a special guest with us today we definitely

[02:14:57] i'm putting my arm on his shoulder right now we've been talking to this guest about being

[02:15:00] on the show for a long time i know possibly even dating back to the fans on podcast we've been i think

[02:15:05] we've been trying to get his attention for a long time mr rick mcallum mr rick mcallum is here in the

[02:15:11] studio today i'm the the the man who coordinates i can't really do a rick mcallum impression uh it's

[02:15:17] it's my cryin of uprocks i was a little scared about doing another delete scenes episode because

[02:15:23] i thought it might be little little thin little sweaty but then i watched these

[02:15:26] delete scenes wonally there's some weird stuff in there's some weird fucking stuff to talk about here

[02:15:34] yeah um on one hand i understand why all of them were deleted uh yeah but then if you watch the

[02:15:42] movie i don't understand why the whole film wasn't deleted right just wipe your computer

[02:15:48] don't keep any of this um but it does these scenes actually do uh attempt to resolve some of the

[02:15:55] issues that we've been complaining about in this movie for the last they add a lot of depth well let

[02:15:59] let me get let's ask mike about the movie okay because mike the movie or the deleted scene just

[02:16:05] just just before we get into the delete it's your overall impression of revenge of the staff

[02:16:09] i don't like it yeah me either bad movie bad movie crazy that we've done now uh eight episodes on

[02:16:15] it yeah still still don't like it every week we think maybe this is the week we're gonna like

[02:16:19] it no i rewatched it in honor of meeting with youtube uh gentleman and um and we had like a 45

[02:16:26] minute conversation on a new york city corner we did weeks ago about it it's it's i i think george

[02:16:33] lucas somehow got a memo between uh attack the clones and revenge the sith like oh man they're

[02:16:38] just not having enough fun so his idea of going going fun is it's just the same kind of dialogue

[02:16:43] only i'm gonna smile while saying it yeah like look at that i'm having a great time like how

[02:16:48] many times is ewan mcgregor like smile in this movie as he delivers a stilted line a lot of cheeky

[02:16:53] line delivery it's true hello there it's a big smile it's almost like he's like there's some horror

[02:16:59] of war thing going on with him because he's in the midst of like murder and battle and and

[02:17:04] and he's always like grinning kind of like almost like he's overcompensating he's going through

[02:17:08] like a disassociated exactly um yeah i mean to that point it's almost like people told him

[02:17:15] that the last two were really uh stayed and little stilted and dour and so he googled fun

[02:17:22] and then was like okay smiling everyone's smiling in these uh stock photos when i google fun

[02:17:28] oh yeah it comes on something i say a new rule rule guys we're gonna have fun and from what i

[02:17:33] understand that means smiling yeah the corners of your mouth need to be upward yeah that's what

[02:17:37] we need there's that and then there's another scene that really kind of it pisses me off every

[02:17:40] time i see it um it's in the opening um a shot where anakin skywalker is they're flying through

[02:17:48] all the mess and he says here's where the fun begins and he says it's such a terrible way

[02:17:54] you can't deliver it with any kind of authority like anyone else can well you know what scene i

[02:17:59] like is a great display of george's emphasis on fun in this movie is when they go to retrieve

[02:18:05] emperor palpatine senator palpatine from george's clutches chancellor he's a chancellor yeah going

[02:18:11] sorry why am i the one that wasn't why am i nitpicking go on when they go to rescue him

[02:18:15] and he's in the chair and then count duke like comes up behind them and he turned around and count

[02:18:20] duke who has like two noisemakers and he's setting off fireworks and he's doing like a little

[02:18:24] like mariachi dance it's fun all right all right i listen to all that for that fun i think

[02:18:30] you can be a little bit more stronger i'm not moody this is exactly there's these great little

[02:18:35] snippets see ben was listening oh you're talking about producer ben aka producer ben aka the ben

[02:18:41] do sir aka mr positive aka hello fennel aka the haze aka the peeper the peeper himself he was

[02:18:48] peeping on these deleted scenes and these making of and you see george lucas directing

[02:18:54] hayden christianson which i've never seen pretty incredible and it's awful you feel so bad

[02:18:59] for hayden christianson it's like walking in on your parents having sex it's like no this isn't

[02:19:03] fun for anybody and like there's this scene where he walks up to hayden he says like so i've really

[02:19:09] i've expanded like the scene with you and chancellor to give you a lot more to do oh wait i got the

[02:19:14] clip oh yeah go right ahead and sir and clips i have rewritten i spent the whole weekend

[02:19:17] rewriting the scene between you and palpatine um where you turn yeah and i've added some more

[02:19:24] to that and hayden's just you do not do a very good george lucas no a terrible george lucas

[02:19:27] you do a better one um i've added some scenes when you turn he's difficult i tried one once and

[02:19:33] someone thought it sounded like a combination between kermit the frog and loren michael's yeah

[02:19:38] he there's a lot of loren michael's out there it's a sort of soft spoken anakin

[02:19:45] there's a lot of kermit there back when chevy was on the show um i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry

[02:19:52] that was great that was great i ruined the whole thing never a store should i just ruined

[02:19:56] everything you are wearing a star warship um but just i just want to say the look in hayden's eyes

[02:20:00] when george is saying that to him like i've when he's saying like i wrote for the whole weekend

[02:20:05] to make this scene better for you hayden just looks like so lost and like it's like i mean i've

[02:20:12] had the feeling when your boss comes up to you he's like oh could you you know he's giving

[02:20:15] you nonsensical advice and you just have to be like oh yeah sure sure yeah no that's fine

[02:20:19] i'll do that yeah ever like hayden's just obviously like whatever what like let's just

[02:20:23] do it let's just get through this like i felt i felt very bad for hayden for the first time in a while

[02:20:28] when you say i want more but i know i shouldn't you can turn away

[02:20:35] yeah i want more but i so i know i so when you're saying i know i shouldn't you're turning away

[02:20:42] there's a part where they go into like him dealing with the previs

[02:20:46] on all the special effects um and he's like going over the storyboards with them so they

[02:20:51] can pre-vis it out and he just goes like well i like it but we'll see what the director has to say

[02:20:57] and keeps on saying that you're like i mean what you're you're the director you're the director

[02:21:01] what are you talking about and then it cuts to like an interview with george like a like to the

[02:21:05] camera interview and he's like what am i doing what am i doing okay that's been editorializing

[02:21:11] here a little bit throwing in his two cents uh he goes director director and they cut to him

[02:21:16] and he goes i've asked a very good friend of mine who is a director to come give me some

[02:21:20] advice on the previs uh stevensville bird uh he's a good friend of mine and a great filmmaker

[02:21:24] and it just cuts back to a montage of him going like you know the director said that maybe

[02:21:29] he just calls him the director yes and he's giving notes on the storyboards and being like i don't

[02:21:34] know if this is too ambitious and don't blame me blame the director but he thought it would be cool

[02:21:37] if the thing flips over and then they cut back to the interview george he goes it's nice

[02:21:41] because it gives me a bit of a buffer so i can just blame everything on the director so people

[02:21:45] don't get angry at me george looks doesn't want people to get angry at him insanity but they don't

[02:21:53] make it clear if he oh because he goes well the director is coming in on monday to one of them

[02:21:57] and they go when are you gonna tell us who it is and he goes you'll see but you never see him

[02:22:01] referring to spielberg by his name so it's unclear if he's just had everyone on his staff

[02:22:06] go like who the fuck is this director ladies and gentlemen mr jonathan levine

[02:22:11] taylor hackford everybody um if you want to actually motivate people say hey spielberg

[02:22:17] thought this was a good idea even fucking spielberg master visual storytelling and fucking narrative

[02:22:23] economy steven spielberg anyway but onto this scene what do we think of this scene i love this

[02:22:30] it's defining it's great it's defining the opposition in the senate this is what i like

[02:22:34] in the scene they're setting up this idea that bail argana is leading a charge of democracy

[02:22:38] like minded people he says we're not we're not going to put up he's like we're gonna preserve

[02:22:42] democracy in this galaxy yeah even if it's like all fucked up yeah and padme is like really

[02:22:49] he looks ridiculous you have to admit she looks ridiculous i think she looks stunning

[02:22:53] she's a beautiful lady she looks ridiculous mom off is wearing gear well i don't know i don't

[02:22:59] know the native customs of wherever mon mobs on her ears but also on her form right now

[02:23:04] she does look like us right now that's a fair fair just wait she looks better than us come on yeah

[02:23:09] i love that you're making fun of her because her headphones on and look at it

[02:23:12] we are oh what a nerd well it's a little rude she could be listening to this meeting

[02:23:17] rather than doing a podcast about well we're gonna start the rebel lives why don't we uh

[02:23:21] podcast we'd record it she's listening to all things she's the only one that's gonna sound

[02:23:26] good yeah is this sort of the mpr crowd and in the galactic zone you know wondering you know

[02:23:31] you know yes this is these are some concerns about what's happening right now there's there's

[02:23:37] unquestionably a whole foods on alderaan right like that's a whole are they on alderaan is that

[02:23:42] where this is supposed to be this isn't on carousel i think he he's from the plant alderaan right

[02:23:47] there oh he is they're all big fans of wait wait each utah but but that was stupid i'm sorry

[02:23:53] that was great you should have even padme has a lot of agency here and is it this team

[02:23:58] where they're talking about it about their plans to start this group and they go if we're

[02:24:02] going to be successful we have to be secret if you're ready to not talk about this to anyone

[02:24:07] including your family yeah so it's right it's it's setting up a little more of a conflict with her

[02:24:11] and anakin that's less one-sided right because we talked about this earlier but like the movie

[02:24:15] gives padme nothing to do no agency she just a lot of time in her apartment waiting for anakin

[02:24:19] to just wait for anakin she cries she that's it like she you know and here like you're saying

[02:24:24] they're planting the seeds of rebellion which is the name of the next scene yeah here's c3po

[02:24:29] who's not in the movie basically yeah uh totally different hairstyle yeah this is her apartment

[02:24:35] yeah so i get this is just another scene kind of following on from the same threat right yeah

[02:24:40] yeah but but it is my mouth was taken off the headphone yeah but let's point this out there

[02:24:44] are like four deleted scenes focusing on padme oh and that's by ling yeah which is really weird

[02:24:50] did you see her because she's not in the first meeting and not in the third meeting but she's

[02:24:53] in this one wait come on get back to filing did you notice by ling like i did not but let's

[02:24:59] this is another major complaint we've had across this movie is that padme has given nothing to do

[02:25:03] and it turns out they shot an entire plot line for her like an entire subplot there she is

[02:25:07] that's by ling that they removed yeah they took it out yeah i mean the movie is like two hours

[02:25:12] 25 minutes yeah i could suggest something 45 minutes that could be i agree what about r2p

[02:25:18] cut that you don't get on afis that's true it's a funny time for funny people or whatever it's

[02:25:25] called yeah it's called fine times for funny people that's what it was called yeah

[02:25:30] um mike mike mike's just dying at that this is by like she has a whole line

[02:25:37] this drives me crazy though well ace smiths is getting a lot more to play he does kind of look

[02:25:41] like musolini though look what is this uniform he's got with like kind of the epaulettes

[02:25:45] i like that it holds a solid name and then bales a good name bales a good name and and

[02:25:50] organa is kind of a cool name yeah and then there's confronting the chancellor these these

[02:25:55] scenes all all follow on each other and i assume would have been kind of part of jar jar's in this

[02:25:59] one yeah would have been part of like sort of interspersed just you know against the other

[02:26:04] plot lines rather than not seem happy for funny times for funny people oh what a jar jar

[02:26:08] i mean that's where he's you know that's what makes phantom men is such a ribble on the dvd

[02:26:12] release of a f i spiny times for funny people it's jar jar binks yeah they don't give jar jar any gags

[02:26:17] in this scene though yeah he should he's friends with the calamari man yeah there's an awesome

[02:26:22] fucking like christian so cool this scene is them coming to palpatine and are they do you think

[02:26:28] they're friends level with him whose friends jar jar and the calamari man probably right i mean

[02:26:33] like i don't i don't want to cast like any kind of aspersions on like you know frog aliens

[02:26:38] tend to hang out with each other but you know i mean them sure they have a lot like where they

[02:26:42] were aquatic folk you know yeah they recognize game yeah they have a lot to talk about that the

[02:26:46] other group guys might not understand um but but anakin is this is just them saying to palpatine

[02:26:52] like we don't like that you are a dictator yeah we have some reservations and he see this is

[02:26:57] the dreadlock hairstyle doll is all it's a little this is a little much but mike's just

[02:27:03] you don't say anything like that but your silence speaks volumes

[02:27:08] but but this scene is insane because we have seen how easy it was for the clones to kill the

[02:27:12] jedi there's no need for them to go undercover pull a ruse yeah all they needed to do was pull out

[02:27:18] a gun very slowly wait for someone to turn around i'm gonna shoot you figure out what the plan was

[02:27:24] there like doesn't seem like they had much of a plan the clones plan like yeah wait till they

[02:27:28] turn around that's until they turn around iyalla look over there and then the alice

[02:27:34] secure turns around they shoot in the back does that more jedi yeah yeah oh look free titties and

[02:27:40] then kaya demon he turns around they shoot in the back of the head the old free titties ruse

[02:27:46] the next scene is called you know mike the old free titties ruse mike knows i'm talking about

[02:27:50] right now mike agrees oh man maybe this podcast will make a if i is uh what's it called again

[02:27:55] 100 laughs for funny people funny times for funny people funny times funny times funny times funny

[02:27:59] times funny people all right the next scene is called yoda communes with quigan now this scene's huge

[02:28:04] this scene gives some backstory to that random conversation yoda has with obi one of the other

[02:28:09] men yeah fyi i'll tell all the jedi are dead i but i i i talked to quigan yeah i totally forgot

[02:28:17] to tell you this so here he is talking to but the voice is hilarious he's on an asteroid

[02:28:22] it's obviously not liam nison liam nison did not do anything was yeah not available we heard

[02:28:27] in interviews that he said like he just turned it down is that true well i i mean it may be because

[02:28:31] of unavailability but they shot this scene they did attempt thinking he would come back and they

[02:28:35] were going to get to do i think the scene was cut because he wouldn't or could this scene is

[02:28:38] visualized it's on an asteroid the effects are finished it's all done it's all it's all the

[02:28:44] totally finished the background's totally finished what is this asteroid all right we

[02:28:48] never see this asteroid again it's not in the no this is the base no use that establishing shots

[02:28:52] there this is where they meet with uh with bill ergana at a point really this is this is where

[02:28:57] pat bays babies are born oh i'm telling you they use the same establishing shot here um well i don't

[02:29:04] remember it because it doesn't make any sense but yoda is sitting with his eyes closed and

[02:29:08] there's just a voice over of quigan but it's not he hasn't even entered a really funny voice

[02:29:12] yeah he's just like uh hey yoda it's obvious he's a fill in going okay i'll do this real quick

[02:29:17] but i i found a way to transcend life and death it's a little creepy because he's saying like you'll

[02:29:23] be the most powerful jedi ever can we put the voice on because it's the funniest voice you don't

[02:29:27] have to clip do you uh no i didn't pull that we could add it later when i became one with the

[02:29:32] force i made a great discovery you will learn to merge with the force at will

[02:29:40] but you will still retain your consciousness

[02:29:46] you will become more powerful than any jedi could imagine that's supposed to be quigan jen the force

[02:29:53] it sounds like um like apple the apple like talk mack talk yeah or it's just like the force it's

[02:29:59] got this sort of like bass sound effect you will be the most powerful jedi also he's not talking

[02:30:06] it's like a it's like a way message or like leaving like a voicemail or something

[02:30:11] it's like hey i'm quigan i can't get to the point right now yoda's not like i have some questions about

[02:30:16] this i have transcended death i have become more powerful than you can imagine leaving message

[02:30:20] sitting there and then organa shows up and he's like oh okay i'll get back to this everyone's called

[02:30:26] yeah uh weird what a weird scene what do you think what do you think jimmy smith's face

[02:30:34] look like at the premiere of revenge of the sith when he's like oh literally every shot i'm in yeah

[02:30:38] except one got cut that's neat it's yeah it's true it is a sounding how jimmy smith's is in almost

[02:30:43] every one of these deleted scenes like we were because he's like fifth build on imdb and we were

[02:30:48] like how to get up that high clearly in the script he had like a role yeah yeah and now he

[02:30:53] it's well and he's gonna take one of the kids like they're setting him up for big big big

[02:30:58] thing and this also establishes that he has a relationship with padme that you know that they

[02:31:02] were allies i mean all of this so why anakin was so quick to flip on all ship though huh that ship is

[02:31:09] great no big ship that's mitch ship it's so those are the deleted scene guns we did i mean it is

[02:31:14] it's a whole other movie with these scenes right wouldn't you agree it's still not a good movie

[02:31:19] but it's a different movie it's a movie it's a little better movie it's a more sensical movie yeah i don't

[02:31:24] know if it's good but at least you know it does help out like uh feeling a lot of

[02:31:27] it would be as frustrating be like well i can understand why this person did this yeah

[02:31:30] yeah your criticism would more be like oh i don't like the acting or the visuals

[02:31:34] hey right not the story why don't we talk about scenes we would have liked to add

[02:31:38] okay i've got one everyone had a scene ben uh the jedi play a game of basketball

[02:31:45] the council like puts together like a basketball that sounds that sort of sounds

[02:31:49] like x-men where we like you know they're always be like or avatar yeah oh they're playing

[02:31:53] baseball like and then we get to see them use their cool powers like a little bit of fun you know

[02:31:58] but the jays aren't a lot to have fun i think that would have been a really fun scene all right i'm

[02:32:02] gonna i'm gonna play your your game here a little bit um what mike just said that like there's a

[02:32:06] player presently whoa uh there's this interesting character at the end that's standing next to uh

[02:32:12] vader and the emperor uh what's his name and and and the credits his his name is tarkin

[02:32:18] weirdly i'd love to get a little bit of uh more backstory on that guy who's that guy who are just

[02:32:24] like the suits you know we know the sif but who are the people who are just doing that guy he's

[02:32:27] like i bet he has an interesting backstory because i bet he plays like a larger role later he makes it

[02:32:33] to the fucking podium with palpatine and vader that's like it's the three of them yeah yeah no i

[02:32:39] think that's a really you know what i feel he deserves a little more than a cameo you know

[02:32:42] what would have been cool if instead of him wato was just flying hovering there like you

[02:32:46] know it's like vader and palpatine looking out at the thing being built and then and then vader and

[02:32:52] wato look each other they both nod in an acknowledgement and then stare at the desk star glad you you

[02:32:57] know like glad you could be here yeah okay you want my just mean something to me do you have a

[02:33:00] deleted scene david i don't know you go ahead this is what the scene i wish was in the movie funny

[02:33:06] times for funny people it's i mean it's gonna be this scene's gonna have everything it's gonna

[02:33:09] have laughs it's gonna have chills it's gonna have thrills wow uh you know the bar where they

[02:33:13] chase zam westle to yeah in the second movie right that sticks right i think that's actually

[02:33:18] the name of the bar yeah that sticks they cut back to that bar okay like in the middle order 66

[02:33:24] they cut back to that bar just so like a little palette cleanser and like a bunch of people

[02:33:29] are drinking slumped over at the bar they're all like pissed off and then the dj therazon i want

[02:33:32] you back by the jackson five and then it's just like who hits the dance board grah grah wato

[02:33:39] tarp all the old favorite tc 14 oh she's dead no she's alive is she rebuilt like can you tell

[02:33:45] they said like tape on her yeah remember to see 14 better than ever review gets rebuilt like of

[02:33:51] course you see 14 of course the donut ship blew up though let's not forget i feel i

[02:33:58] i'm feel like i'm bringing some past sort of anger into this i you know i'm not trying to

[02:34:02] i'm trying to give you a platform to defend your word we have george lucas on this show we

[02:34:06] have george lucas on the show this is a huge opportunity this is what we wanted the whole time

[02:34:09] we're trying to make sense of these films that's what we're doing and we sort of view ourselves as

[02:34:14] pop culture investigators detectives i guess so maybe one could say that's a better branding

[02:34:20] look oh i'm here today i can't answer any questions you have okay obviously these are

[02:34:26] this is the story i wanted to tell yeah um well let's get onto that so so phantom mass comes

[02:34:33] out in 1999 that's right great year for movies it was a banner year for american cinema yeah i don't

[02:34:39] know what else came out uh a lot a lot of stuff i mean but so you're saying just on the basis of phantom

[02:34:44] mass alone it was a great year for me i don't remember what else came out but i know it was a

[02:34:47] great year that was definitely i mean that was the number one box office film of that year

[02:34:50] i know toy story two my favorite movie of all time came in that year hey pixar oh you founded

[02:34:56] pixar you know or you didn't found it but i you owned it for a while i owned it and then

[02:35:02] it was bought for me but you still i get the jobs okay we gotta we gotta talk about the star wars

[02:35:06] movies but i not their quick side i can't help it if i point out no no because i mean i want to

[02:35:11] stay focused because this is what this podcast is about and they did the stained glass man on

[02:35:15] in young charlotte combs young charlotte which i misidentified as being from young indiana

[02:35:19] which was also jerks production yes um pixar uh you buy it at the time uh they have i think

[02:35:26] three animators and staff uh john lasseter uh andrew stan and pete docker sure uh all three of

[02:35:34] whom have gone on to win academy awards yeah you after a couple years sell the company because it

[02:35:39] is uh losing money and you don't see a reality which will ever turn a profit sure i mean that's

[02:35:43] one way to spin it i i believe that i still get credit for it you know well my question is does

[02:35:50] it burn at all you're a man of tremendous success uh you've broken records in both directions yeah um

[02:35:56] do you look at pixar the most consistently successful movie studio in in history arguably hey i still

[02:36:02] ended up getting all that money from when you sold it yeah so how much no in the end the money

[02:36:06] came back to me in the end pixar goes on to make all that money for disney and then i end up

[02:36:10] getting that disney money that's a good point money always comes back to george look i i i do

[02:36:15] is that your catchphrase no that's not catchphrase that's true i want to get back to the

[02:36:19] point that you were making which is the first movie has tons of jar jar being delightful care

[02:36:23] give them what they want because things are relatively we're in a good place in phantom

[02:36:28] is there's some bad business going on that's a little bit under the surface it's going to get a

[02:36:31] lot worse it's going to get a lot worse and he does have a shitty degree part of the reason

[02:36:38] because he's grinning so light you guys could see this part of the reason why you deprived the

[02:36:43] audience of jar jar in episodes two and three is that's the audience will feel it they absorb it

[02:36:49] they think why lack of comedy it's not as much fun lack of smiles things are less fun than they used

[02:36:54] to be here and that's a loud and clear message to what ultimate end what's the payoff there you

[02:36:59] take away so they feel the absence of thing you never bring him back his final back he said

[02:37:04] when yeah that's my point so the final payoff is you seem shed a single tear that's what i want

[02:37:08] to get this to rest the final payoff of the whole movies is that is that the galaxy collapses into ruin

[02:37:16] and is controlled by a tyrant and the jedi are massacred right and our hero turns into a villain

[02:37:22] yeah and his legs get chopped off and he's set on fire and he gets put into a black metal

[02:37:26] sort of iron lung sure so like that's a pretty down there's not a lot of up no of course not

[02:37:31] the only up really is that his two kids are alive i'd love to hear you got you should you know

[02:37:36] i have suggested for your next podcast you should read all the shakes were placed in heavily

[02:37:40] in shakespeare coming here to defend it the end of hamlet well that's not a problem we couldn't

[02:37:44] book the real william shakespeare because he's dead no i bet you have a lot of problems with

[02:37:47] the end of bits a lot of problems with the ending of hamlet i don't any problems with the ending

[02:37:51] of hamlet because hamlet was structured from the beginning to be a tragedy well this was

[02:37:55] structured from the beginning to be a tragedy when the kid saying yippie and he's running

[02:37:59] around with a space Caribbean hamlets having fun at the beginning of that yeah i forgot hamlet

[02:38:03] has a big pod race scene at the beginning remember i first act a hamlet first of all shakespeare

[02:38:07] billy crystal is in hamlet let's not forget a a version of hamlet billy crystal is in the

[02:38:13] original text of hamlet hamlet two hamlet two uh is a lot more fun than hamlet that's a loose

[02:38:18] sequel that's a loose sequel and you know it well there's none of the same character it sounds

[02:38:23] like you're criticizing me for things that i did on purpose i'm trying not to criticize you

[02:38:26] i'm trying to make sense of this okay could we ask about uh the directing of jake loyde

[02:38:31] yes great question so you bring in yeah that's a great poet laureate this is why we have

[02:38:35] asked you what phantom minister's about and you focused on anakin sure i still think we can

[02:38:39] get a better answer that but we'll get back to that so we've got jake loyde you bring him in

[02:38:43] yeah what what about jake loyde spoke to you when you were casting talk about the casting process

[02:38:49] if you ever saw unhooked the stars jake loyde's very good in that movie yes he agreed with that

[02:38:53] yes we've said that that's obviously got a different acting style than the than the

[02:38:57] prequels do naturalistic uh human jake gets a lot of early on there were naysayers i think they

[02:39:03] would be a little bit hard on jake but i think if you look at the uh the baseline acting style that

[02:39:08] i established for the whole movie i think jake loyde's acting holds up with it holds up with

[02:39:13] liam nissen your migreger i think across the board categorically i would say he's a little uh

[02:39:20] he's a little more one note you're actually gonna sit here in this room look me in the eyes

[02:39:23] and tell me that jake loyde is delivering the same level performance as liam nissen in that film i would

[02:39:27] say you are a sociopath george lucas you are a sociopath i would say that you would say that

[02:39:32] okay well you're a lunatic i'm sorry i'm sorry i didn't know you were gonna be this angry i didn't

[02:39:36] either no i really thought i think you should relax i have to relax i have to relax i would say the

[02:39:43] reason you're angry is because you should be angry after you watch these movies that's the point

[02:39:47] so seven what are you what are you so they're just skipping four five six i pitched some ideas

[02:39:53] uh j j j abrams is directing it but i have not had a hold on one second they're coming out with

[02:39:57] a script in december when it's so they're in pre-production no no it's done apparently and

[02:40:01] it's gonna come out i'll be seeing it like an audience member with everybody else wait but so

[02:40:05] you're going from episode three straight to episode seven yeah they're gonna fill in the

[02:40:08] blanks later that's so weird no um good what there been well i mean what i've already

[02:40:16] the episodes four five and six are available on blu-ray um like uh those are all you can see

[02:40:23] those george i know this is not been a very civil interview and i've been fucking with you a lot

[02:40:27] but this is not something this isn't a fun thing to talk about so old ben's got something old ben

[02:40:33] pretty speaking on something there's an episode four no there is yeah no how would we not know

[02:40:39] about griffin you're not facing his screen i'm seeing it it's called a darthay it's called a new

[02:40:43] hope when it came out in 1977 that's impossible ben that's that's 30 years earlier i swear to god

[02:40:48] we that's impossible i hate bits but we have talked a lot about there's one movie in your

[02:40:53] canon that we kept forgetting the name of yeah but i thought it was another like a guys there's two

[02:40:57] others well there's like t h one one thirty five what are you talking about actually though you've

[02:41:03] got the dates wrong on that those were rough drafts of movies that came out with the real uh

[02:41:08] episodes four five and six came out in the 90s do you understand how hard it is to believe

[02:41:11] anything you say with with answers like that but i understand i understand where you can see

[02:41:16] in the 1990s i finished the original trilogy just a few years before phantom menace uh a new hope is

[02:41:23] episode four empire strikes bag is episode five return of the jedi is episode six they came out the

[02:41:28] same year i released three movies in one year brand new and those are the movies i did test screenings

[02:41:34] in 1977 uh and then in the early 1980s of episodes four five six they went very well

[02:41:40] probably the most successful test screenings but you really you really refined him in 96

[02:41:44] but the actual movies themselves came out in the 1990s and that's why you might be confused so just

[02:41:48] to clarify sure the first film chronologically came out in 1999 yes second came out in 2002

[02:41:56] third came out in 2005 oh that's right in 1997 that's right that's the year you released quote

[02:42:02] unquote three movies simultaneously that were shot in the 70s and 80s that's right we shot them

[02:42:08] in the 70s but not all of them we finished them they they took a long time to make

[02:42:12] we get some test screens went very well uh in 77 we released for a second round of test screen in 78

[02:42:18] and rather than completing the fourth one we said let's uh make the second and third one

[02:42:24] do test screenings of those and then eventually we'll release the final version of those in 1997

[02:42:28] and now there's a seventh one coming out in a month but i don't have anything to do with that

[02:42:32] i see why jay brim's creator felicity director felicity a screenwriter of um uh

[02:42:38] regarding henry joy ride

[02:42:41] he he wrote joy right can you process this david this is huge uh you know i i just have one thing

[02:42:47] to say which is that i hate bits well i hope all you listeners enjoyed today's epp i know for me it

[02:42:52] was a reminder of just how proud i am of this show and i know it will continue to evolve and i will

[02:42:59] have way too many nicknames and the episodes will all probably be like three hours long um

[02:43:05] but on behalf of griffin david and myself we love making this podcast and are thankful for everyone's

[02:43:11] support out there uh later this week we'll have a final best of out from our episodes on the

[02:43:17] original trilogy and holiday special next week we'll have an episode on m night's new movie split

[02:43:24] and then we will begin our new mini series on director steve spielberg the dream works years

[02:43:32] which uh we're gonna be calling pod me if you can't

[02:43:37] all right this has been producer ben uh and taking us out is a supercut with our favorite moments

[02:43:43] with i don't know this chubaca character yoda's off on some planet with these things called

[02:43:49] wookies that is this like bizarre diversion whole other episode even for this movie is

[02:43:54] really weird other episode it is so weird i agree with you that it sets up literally nothing

[02:44:02] like it's a planet because she is these hairy yeah these wookies including like a wookie called

[02:44:06] chubaca who he like is like hello chubaca it's nice to meet you you know we are great friends

[02:44:11] with you i think he wants to get like the big furry dudes to be to join the clone troopers

[02:44:17] but wookies i think they're good relations with the wookies i have or something right

[02:44:22] which you don't know anything about don't even talk i don't think no that's fucking wookie

[02:44:31] not we talked about this last week but how weird it is yoda is so nice to this random wookie

[02:44:36] called chubaca who's he paying off to get this kind of billing i bet he's a fucking fourth

[02:44:41] build in this movie he's my build if that yeah he's barely he doesn't do anything what kid wants

[02:44:47] to eat chubaca remembers to buy like the wookie style i thought that battle with the wookies was

[02:44:51] pretty cool i like the wookies they seem like an interesting what's where we're coming from

[02:44:56] what the fuck is this shit and then he climbs onto that one wookie's head and goes i'll miss you

[02:45:00] chubaca we talked about this five weeks in a row why the fuck is that important it

[02:45:05] was chubaca the guest we've had on has pointed that out it's two minutes this one guy he's

[02:45:09] single yeah why is he just friends with this one guy and he goes like a good relationship

[02:45:15] with the wookie ii since when so apparently you have buddies with this one guy chubaca cool man

[02:45:21] i think there's two it looks like chubaca although it doesn't say his name but also i feel like you

[02:45:25] guys are making a bigger deal of chubaca than he is in the sit in the movie because in the movie

[02:45:30] it's just it's just like you know it's just like it's just like it's just like it's that yoda line

[02:45:35] and then yoda line it's the yoda line where he's like we've always been friends and you're

[02:45:39] like i don't think he doesn't even say that he says chubaca thank you so much for speaking at

[02:45:43] my wedding that time you gave me a loan of five thousand dollars i feel like he's just like thanks

[02:45:48] chubaca for saying you helped save me you too wookies help save me you wrote a college recommendation

[02:45:53] for my kid one time quickly to process and you can leave what are the three titles of these

[02:45:59] films because there was a lot to process at once i need to hear the new i i just found out that

[02:46:03] three new star wars movies exist star wars a new hope the special edition star wars the

[02:46:07] amber extracts back special edition star wars return of the jedi special edition those are

[02:46:12] the three titles of the three new star okay thank you for being here and they follow the same exact

[02:46:16] plot lines as what you're as the prequels they mirror them i did them uh ring style uh i don't

[02:46:23] even know what to say oh i mean ring star thvater in them uh yeah is jimmy smiths in them

[02:46:28] no dexter jester no lato no cc 14 no grogra so none of our fair characters wait wait

[02:46:36] oh i have a question what about this chubaca guy is he in it oh yeah i brought chubaca back

[02:46:41] are you fucking kidding yeah