Blue Velvet with Jamie Loftus

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Blank Check with Griffin amp

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Be a good neighbor to her. I'll send you a podcast straight from my heart fucker

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what a podcast is? It's a it's a fucking audio program from a fucking player

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Fucker you receive a podcast for me. You're fucked forever. You understand fuck. I'll send you straight down fucker

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very good hopper. Thank you. Yeah, I had it a little more than I thought I did

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: How do you describe a podcast that come yeah, right? You were me I could feel you halfway into that being like

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I have to now elaborate on what a podcast is as Frank booth

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what my brain did in real time it was like how do I explain to my grandmother?

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and it's like radio

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: People should go my my grandson. He has a very successful podcast and then she'll turn to me and go what is a podcast

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She knows that she wants to brag about it

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she says like what time does it air or like things like that sure yes Sunday

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: 3 a.m. Right and I yell at her like Frank booth

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: At midnight well is it midnight EST? Yeah, wow

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So those LA guys they got an MP on a Saturday kept getting pushed forward a couple hours

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, cuz people were complaining and I don't know

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you would you'd posted a time and then someone would email you and go like

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it'd be a lot better for my commute if you posted two hours earlier

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you would like acquiesce to that no, you would just get bad. I would

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Man then you know

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually really funny I not saying I respect when you're angry

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, I understand it

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you're allowed to feel angry

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But it is kind of funny because you do kind of stomp around and sometimes you'll text us in advance and be like I'm stomping mad today

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you'll like when's that time he texted us he's like I'm going to be arriving grumpy

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Gun it's like a very vivid like emotional tapestry like you feel things very deeply. Yeah, yeah

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a cancer in that way. Wait, I wouldn't say you run mad

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd say when you get mad. It's it's full bodied. I had a big breakthrough recently Jamie that Ben is all four Ninja Turtles

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: All four would Ninja Turtles you really

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Turtle as much all four Ninja Turtles as anyone I've ever met. Yeah, I can't so that's kind of a beautiful compliment, right?

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sometimes he's in Raphael hothead mode. Yeah, sometimes he's just quietly doing his machines

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, he's pointing over to a monitor

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Producing the show which is kind of like being the leader, right? Yeah some ways

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: In a certain way, you know, there was the clarity of like let's keep this running and then there's the party dude

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Which turtle are you tag yourself Jamie? I don't know. Are you not a turtle girl?

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I I honestly didn't grow up with turtle culture

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know I feel like you're not allowed to prescribe a turtle to yourself any more than you could prescribe any of the

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever there's four people and you have to be one of them

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, sure, let's put this right inside each of us are for blue velvet characters, right?

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an inside each of us adorothy a Jeffery a frank and a sandy

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I was wondering right who you know, you're not you're not putting Ben in there

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And not a character and stockwells characters. Oh, yeah, I mean, I guess nobody really addresses him

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he the exact center point? Yeah, I guess or he's just you know outside of the matrix sure

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like to think of myself as what it would how does Frank preferred him? He's so chic

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a suave so

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think of myself as being a bit suave at times and I could of course at any time just

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Myself with powder

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Highliner yeah

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Dara thee

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you though?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't know what you are. This is maybe the worst personality grid everyone anyone's ever thought of thank you

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be the little dog at the beginning. Yeah, I'm the bird going I

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Think we've identified what's funny about this grid is everyone's gonna choose something outside of the floor

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I have that person inside of them. I think I'm a sandy. I'm a gossip, but I try to look on the bright side of things

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think I'm probably a sandy are you the lady that dances on the roof possibly

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you the yellow man?

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Possibly just standing there at the end. Yeah, it's crazy when he's just standing there and he's dead

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what happened to his brain you think I think got shot with a gun. Oh, yeah, I don't know

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, come on Jamie. What are you and then introduce our

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say uh

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Michelangelo I think that's right and

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: God, I don't want to be Jeffrey

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to buy just like, you know Dorothy and Sandy like I'm not far enough in either direction

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey has a little bit of your like

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Podcast journalism tendencies. Yeah, he's wandering around he's snooping and like none of his business

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right kind of like weirdo journalists like Gonzo journalist. Yeah, but arguably a pervert

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I like about the blue velvet

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Matrix that we have created we're all perverts like everyone on that

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone on there has come some kind of pervert

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's mommy everyone's daddy. I also think yes, you know, it's like you're it's like you're like I'm gonna do this

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna go to Alaska and I would be like well Jamie that sounds that sounds like a really wild thing to do

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And like Jeff is like I'm gonna sneak into the gangster shirt, right twice, right?

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I love how passively he presents it and I love how quickly

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that that she's just like yeah, I guess we should do that. I think that's a good way to spend

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. I love it. This is one of those timeline things where I always know what the reality is

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but my brain flips it to like

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch discovered him on this and then obviously when he gets offered dune

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He casts his guy in the lead role in dune

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It is so much funnier that it's like he cast this guy as a leading man in dune

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like oh you'd be better in one of my weirdo movies

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, you know dune we will talk about we haven't talked about it yet

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But like there's these audition tapes you can see if Kyle McLaughlin shirtless just like doing tumbles in the yard and kind of grow

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know like being Paul being like yeah, I think I did like a good job in the audition and you're like I

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Can just see what Lynch fell in love with both as the special boy who will save right or raqus

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But also just like oh I want to mess this boy up

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But just normal enough to have like the studio sign off on him as like you're not casting a crazy person in

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Heroic lead of your movie. He's got the right jaw, you know, he's got the right face

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Kyle McLaughlin is like one of the most successful examples of

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Hot guy that's rarely doing hot guy things

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and people accept it because they feel like a lot of times people don't accept it like it Brandon Fraser

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We almost killed him we almost killed him when he was a hot guy doing things that weren't hot enough

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But but Kyle mr. Kyle he gets away with it and he's great at his first movie

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's his number one first movie

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know I didn't know that before like getting ready for this episode. Yeah, the second movie is blue velvet

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: His third movie is the hidden have you seen the hidden? I haven't no have you seen the hidden

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Both of you would love the hidden Ben you probably also love the hidden which is about a cop

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is chasing a bad guy who's doing some crazy stuff and gets paired up with another cop paid by Kyle McLaughlin

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's kind of like weird and slimy and it turns out karma clocklin is an alien as is the guy they're chasing

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But come a clock is like a good alien. I did not know that was the premise of the move it rocks

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, when you say he's weird and slimy you meant like physically. I meant more physically like he's not like personality

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He there's just something like odd and shiny about him and you're like what's the deal with this guy?

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, oh, he's an alien and he knows that this guy is also kind of calm a glocklin's vibe

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what yeah

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why it's so good and then you like you so you see those three and you're like man

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Hollywood was doing right by column o'clock on and then like I feel like Hollywood didn't know what to do with

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Other mode is like buffoonish asshole. Sure is like, you know showgirls or

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You look at his 90s like Hollywood. What do we do with this guy and on to a friend or caves?

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's Flintstones and showgirls

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like here's the grown-up version and the kids movie version of what we slot him into

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I also forgot that he was in the Flintstones

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like that he yeah, he sort of pivots to like

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: belligerent guy with erectile dysfunction and that's like his entire like 90s into the 2000s

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Vibe I was thinking like it must have been so exciting

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it must be such an exciting moment for a director when they find the their self-insert guy

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: who is

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Slightly hotter than him and 15 years younger and you're like this is my guy

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This guy gets to be me for 15 years, but hotter that's so that has to be such an amazing day

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why I flip it in my mind because it's like it's harder to believe that he could

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Successfully cast Paula tradies to the studio's wishes right with his self-insert guy when that character does not in and of itself feel lynchian

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Versus this being a movie where it's like and now I need to find me

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's wild that he found a guy who fit both

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the podcast the podcast is called blank check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David a smile that washed across his face

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Curtains like blue velvet kind of well our curtains are red

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you know kind of like you could imagine putting some some fonts over it sure you could play an old song

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would say red velvet instead

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's a podcast about filmographies directors who have massive success early on in our careers and are given a series of blank checks to make

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever crazy passion projects they want and sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a mini series on the films of David Lynch. It is called Twin Pods Firecast with me

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy really did have it's it's a perfectly structured blank check career in terms of what we do

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: True right you go like first movie is like total outsider object

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But gets him tons of builds a huge cold sure then it's like now

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna try to fit you into like prestige studio slightly more traditional filmmaking success knocks that out of the fucking park

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like great. You get to do a blockbuster now

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: destroys him and then the fourth movie rebirth is the like beginning of the rest of his career

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, this is when it's like settled in where he's like

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Dune has taught me everything. I never want to do ever again. I'm gonna do things by my own terms

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna find the middle ground between the three modes

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I was in for the first three movies and here's the model of what a David Lynch movie is

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: What I found comforting like

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: rewatching this like in the context of this point in his career was that even though like I mean Dune was like a

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: catastrophe like for him personally

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You I feel like you can sort of see things he learned doing do absolutely in this movie

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's I don't know

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think stuff like that is so often like and it was all for fucking nothing and it was humiliating

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt horrible, but it's like you can see you can see that you know

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was not for nothing even though it did seem like a humiliating terrible experience

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He treats it as such but it is yes it informs his career in ways. He right may or may not

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Finding McLaughlin and shit like that and and his relationship with Dean and Dilarentis

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie doesn't happen without him like he doesn't end up with

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Isabella Rossellini if this movie doesn't happen everyone in this movie's fucking each other behind the scenes

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great, but also the blank check thing of like oh Dune

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a tremendous amount of money, but he doesn't have a lot of freedom, right?

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting like boxed in and overwhelmed by everything

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a movie where it's like if you can get this done for four million dollars everyone will back the fuck off

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about it

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's that is that is the joy that is harder and harder to find these days right even at that level. Yeah

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and and having made a film at such a big budget

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He perhaps had a better understanding of how to make this smaller now now

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I would fuck stockwell if I had to pick

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No one asked you and I think I just need an interesting answer to a question

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Was an unasked question a really a deep what are you on asked what I really want to tell you to edit in

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: One of us asking the question now David. I need to know

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: What was watching in the cat kept going would he fuck Dean's circle or not?

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you love Dean's Stockholm. He's incredible in this movie Cliff Vandercave who comic-hocke plays in

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: The Flintstones want to say his name again. I think it's so funny. Yeah

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Say

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: poster of him

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I just love the Flintstones writing process of like I say he's like a rich guy. So like Vanderbilt

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so what do we do there Vandercave?

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Job done. Yeah, and then what's his evil secretary's name remind me Sharon Stone, right? Yeah

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how they buried the role of Sharon stone. Yes, it was written for Sharon stone

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and she dropped out and they were like we're still gonna call her Sharon stone. We can't talk that

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean stones in the name Jesus Christ

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You imagine how weird that would have been if Sharon stone were in the movie the Flintstones playing a character with her own name

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think everything about that movie is weird, but we never stopped talking about how weird that movie is

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we should do it on high enough pitched it before is it just that and Viva rock Vegas?

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the question is do is there like a live act what you do both your car

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is the fucking

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The James Bond parody which was a theatrical release or do you do a live action Hannah Barbara thing?

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, where it's those two the two Scooby-Doo's and God and Yogi

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm pro Scooby-Doo I'm pro James Gunn Scooby-Doo James Gunn Scooby-Doo rule

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the first really special he wrote both. He wrote both. Yeah. I have never seen them

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Second one. I would say is not as good monsters unleashed of course one of my favorite subtitles

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's I would I approve it as the subtitle inferior product the first one rips

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I watched it last last year and I was blown away. It's a top to bottom. Yeah, and my favorite

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: SMG and Linda my two my two biggest crushes is a kid. Yeah, it's and they're perfectly cast

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so good and James Gunn when we were covering that last year

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: James Gunn was really and to this day was like so like singing the praises of Shrek as

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The as Scooby-Doo was coming out. He's like, I wouldn't have been able to make this the way I made the tone without that

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's I think the direct quote if our remembering correctly was Shrek changed everything

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit, what a wild thing to say the year after 9-11

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Shrek was the number one biggest thing that happened in the year 2001 in terms of impact and culture and then

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Changed everything it changed everything Steven Spielberg wanted to cast Dabney Coleman as Cliff Vandercape

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, an entirely different idea, but I guess just sort of like yeah, just do nine to five right like hey Dabney

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Can he come in and Dabney Coleman turned it down? Yeah wild and so Kyle got to swoop in there

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Good and and the world is richer for it. No disrespect to Dabney, but yeah, that's the obvious choice today

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about Colin McLaughlin second most iconic film

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Behind the front. Yeah, yeah blue velvet our guest today returning to the show. She's back one of the best

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, how many times you've been on is this four five? I think this is four

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it could be five the pandemic scrambles everything. No, this is for this is for dark shadows. Yeah drag me to hell

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, seven chances let's go west. Yeah, it's good for who's our guest

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Jamie loft is the great Jamie loft this up Jamie eyes of many things back of the book raw dog

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the Bechtel cast, but I've been listening to your new show which is so fucking good

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No fame yeah, I've been having so much fun making it so good. Did I get the title right? Yes? Yeah? Yes?

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've been looking to rip it off. I'm giving it. I'm gonna give it a shot

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Please you're looking to rip it off come up with your own idea

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got ripped off by a large news podcast last week. It was it's kind of fun

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But so I'm just that inspired me to rip you should do and I think I'm gonna do it

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think what we've learned is it's easy to do it and I won't push back

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right there's not much you can do about it, so I think I'm just gonna just go ahead dive in and do it

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna do it you're gonna telegraph my intention talk to the same two guys

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Go pitch it to cracked

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We kick those guys so hard when they are down

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like kicking a skeleton. It's just still funny to do I know

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Jamie crack started a movie podcast when we were like a couple years in like

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: 2015 cracked movie club. Oh, yeah, maybe like tears into our show and they were like we go deep into the careers of directors

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But they only would pick four movies

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They embody a director's career in just four episodes. Yeah, cowards

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like why why but they did the same four directors as us in a row in the same order. We were doing them in

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do that? I don't know and then we just decided that they were our enemies and then the show ended after the fourth season

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It was gone within five months and once or twice a year. I just come back around and kick it one more time

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Cracked has been sold to like Hungarian AI farms at this point or like, I don't know what you know

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I just keep kicking skeleton bones. I like I appreciate that I do the same thing

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like anytime someone's like you should be like it's a flattering thing

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like boy doesn't fucking feel that way right it feels bad

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I say this not to blow smoke up your ass, but I think your your podcast has a great

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Book it is a great premise. It is these people who had the sort of

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Viral outsized internet sort of fame and then disappear from the culture

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like what happens in the 16th minute after they received from the public eye

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And how does that sort of virality affect people in their lives long term and all of that?

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's a great idea that many people could rip off

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think the the thing that makes your show so good is very much like about your

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Perspective and your attitude and the way you engage with Jamie does is yes. Yes, absolutely

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Personality and voice and intelligence

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you have a new book out too freak now? Now I'm like weirdly hostile

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Now you're kicking my skeleton had done that more

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like what he did breaking bad. What's so good about that freak?

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty fucked up show don't you think

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys are like, I don't know a little bunch of Emmys and Charlie was like, oh, that's great

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He like he comes right out of it. It is wild how much new documentaries still use Charlie Rose footage

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really well lit and people tend to be allowed to talk for a while because Charlie Rose was snoozing there in the other seat

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like anytime I watch any like making a monster documentary

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They are the same composer and it's a computer right and they use a bunch of Charlie Rose clips and you're like

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you intentionally like double loading this when your new book? Maybe is not out

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: In time for this to come. I'm trying to remember when your new book is out. Oh, it's not coming out anytime soon

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, but you do have another book sometime. I do. Yeah, and it's uh, it's

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I it it's definitely, uh, influenced by

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: This very movie really? I would say yes

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's some uh, there's some

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know some uh, some psychological body horror stuff. It's my favorite and uh, is this a fiction book?

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very exciting. Yeah, it's about a

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Objectum sexuals

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So like people who fall in love and have sexual relationships with objects. Yeah, and so it's about an architect who

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Starts cheating on her husband with a building that they're constructing together

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, so it's basically it's like 21st century lefty. I ran

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: There I it's so scary because I have never read I'm Rand and you're not the first person to tell me that

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like now I have someone in love with the building

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Think about I know look. I'll say this about iron ranch that book does have more horse vibes of like does everyone want to

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck this building. I yeah 100%

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I I actually think it'd be funny for me to just say I'll say this about iron rand

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And then never finish the sentence and then people go insane

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: start thinking like

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: She writes uh, some very impressive

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Run-on sentences there's stuff in those in the I've never read um

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Atlas right I read the fountain head ever as a fountain head

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: This is I have my I have the same approach to a lot of books that I have to a lot of movies where you're just like

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It's too long. I'll never know it's too long. I mean her books are at the shrug seems quite long to me

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, um, but everyone loves it. It's so good and cool. So I love it is so good and cool

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I think that's right. It's 1200 pages. It's very long

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, could you describe what it I'm ran has as a fan base or likes something more sinister

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, they actually aren't allowed to be called fans because they're behaving too creepily

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like no you guys aren't fans although I guess all all fan base. I'm stands. I'm stands. That's that's what they should call themselves

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, like Paul Ryan should get up in front of congress and be like i'm an Einstein

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[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But we are here to discuss David Lynch's film blue velvet

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Does it here? This is a completely stupid question, but is this still the definitive lynch film?

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It was obviously forever has Mulholland drive sort of supplanted it

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: With a younger generation or is this still kind of like look if you want to

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Get jave david lynch's whole vibe

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: In one movie you should probably watch blue velvet. Yeah, I know I think so not not to say it's the

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Best film not best or whatever, but I think if you're trying out like what's the definitive encapsulation

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The suburban

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: white picket fence aspects of this movie

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Are a key part of the sort of lynch psyche. That's not really in Mulholland drive as much imagine seeing this movie

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like without knowing what it was about. I I remember. Yeah, yes

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I want stories of people who went on these dates right to this movie going in cold

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's got the guy if he's got this little rustling and the guy from dune. I don't know

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's about blue velvet. Well, let's go see it sounds romantic

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: This might be a slightly false compiled memory, but like years before seeing this movie

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember seeing the segment of them talking about it on I love the 80s when I was Charlie rose fucking 13 or 14

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Charlie. I love that

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Molly Sims the model who was always on that show. Uh, okay, I love the 80s. Yes

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_04]: She was the one who was on las vegas. Yes the show las vegas

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was someone like her who

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Said something to the effect of like blue velvet was one of those movies where it came out and there was this collective feeling of like

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We've all been waiting for someone to say this

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Molly Sims said this this is why it's such a specific memory in my mind and I was like, what does that mean?

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like that's like

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: A version everyone who says anything on those shows says a version of that

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they could be talking about

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Easy-squirt catch up and they're like when that happens. Yes things kind of just changed overnight

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the like not framed as a joke

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But was just like it felt like here's this thing that's been in the culture that has been unspoken

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And Lynch is the first guy to like put it up there

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well I said this this is not to do with Molly Sims, but I said this to ben off

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike and I want to say no relation. Okay watching batman and robin with a friend

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Must be nice

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right then, you know up pops of course very funny to watch it right after batman forever

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I always forget literally the last scene is

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Bruce and chase meridian being like and now we've solved all the barriers between us and we're gonna be together batman robin begins

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Elm McPherson's here

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No acknowledgement of chase meridian someone should say like yeah, she went off and fucked superman

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me at least do that with vicki veil and return right?

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: She's not there el mcpherson is here and I'm like this is el mcpherson my friend's like who's that?

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you know she was a supermodel they called her the body my friend was like

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a fucking nickname is that for a super?

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They all got bodies

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not even a nice gross nickname. I couldn't and I couldn't explain

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like I don't I don't I just know they called her that it was a chur wrestler name el the body mcpherson

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What they called her yes, no one?

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing worse is being called a body like that's yeah

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That would that would be funny

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: El a body mcpherson. Yeah

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they just called her the body and she was like why and I'm like well, she's very statuette because she's like

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: She's supermodel like what's this not news? Sure. They're all statuette. What is anyway?

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I I just maybe I'm a fierce and also thinks blue velvet is when someone was saying what we were all thinking

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of but I just that there's ants crawling over the human ears

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a crazy way to describe it

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a crazy way to describe it and to not have seen the movie and hear that like I just

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always still the line I think about in relation to this movie and when I finally saw it years later

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It was in my head of like what was it that she felt he was expressing?

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Look, we have enough fans not bragging. I'm just saying that maybe someone's gonna trawl

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: For this clip and find whatever was molly sims's unconstructed thought on yeah

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Blue velvet, but I I think you look at the response to this film at the time

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and it's like eraser head cult phenomenon

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Then elephant man is just like beloved

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: A critically, you know oscar feted film

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Then dune is seen as just kind of like roundly a flop in all corners at the time of its release

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie comes out and I think some percentage of people were young molly sims sitting in the theater going like finally

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been waiting for someone to do it and then the other half of the culture is like fuck you

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is what makes it kind of his definitive movie in a certain way where it really feel like

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like this was the first one to really touch a nerve where people were fighting over like

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: How dare he do is me getting over a cold. Yes, uh, jayme what's your relationship to blue

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: velvet I was a uh material no just

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually I have a

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Nasty story about red velvet. I'll save that

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Blue velvet the the film

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a a latecomer to it. I'm a latecomer to david lynch in general

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I did not start. I mean I I'd like seen

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Clips I've certainly lied about having seen movies of his I feel like he's he's a great person to lie about having

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the rate of passage. Yeah, if you're if you're cornered at a party. Yeah, I've seen blue velvet. Sure

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually watched it in high school. I didn't

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not watch it even now having seen it you lie retroactively about when you saw it

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: My worst nightmare is someone digging up movies

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I said I've seen in other contexts over a course of years and quizzing me like that is my version of hell

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It is. Yeah, right. Um, but yeah, maybe maybe that is what hell will be for me

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I saw this I saw this a couple years ago. I saw it during lockdown

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like wait if not now when uh-huh

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really I don't know I went into it

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I wish I was like, oh, you know, but you you're so familiar with what a david lynch movie is

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It was I'd seen enough of his work that it was weird that I hadn't seen blue velvet

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So much of what happens in this movie is like my brain is like no no

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: No, uh, and then at the end I was like I

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked that and I watched it. I watched it twice in a row every night

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is maybe just speaking to my mental health at the time

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I watched it twice in a row and then I went on a long walk

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I didn't you know, and then I didn't watch it for a year

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if this was like my fourth time watching it. I just I and every time I watch it

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, I I don't know. I personally like blue velvet better than mahalin drive

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even really articulate why but I just I

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Every time I watch this movie

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel a different way or I like connect to a different

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Part of it this this watch and it's so reflective of like where you are at personally but this time I was like

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Is jeffreage like just looking for something to do while he's worried about his dad like what is what is he

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like there's there's so many different ways to

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: to watch it and

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there was like I was watching a uh contra points video recently, uh just about how like

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: How lovely it is to watch a movie that is like not

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh desperate to explain itself to you

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was referencing like the end of psycho and how

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She viewed it as almost like an insecure thing at the end of the movie to be like

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So in case you had any questions about what was going on the whole movie. It was this here's literally his diagnosis

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, yeah, and uh that like this is a great example of a movie that you're like

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Who fucking knows that's not even the point. I really appreciate this movie. I like it a lot

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I was reading a lot of the recent, uh

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Press that glenn powell has been doing on his campaign run for infinite president of hollywood

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: His sort of lifelong

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Run that he's he's now beginning and he's now just like getting on tiktok and being like telling like stories that you tell

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's sleepovers. Yes. He's just like crazy. He happened to my sister. He's like telling these random

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing story time videos like

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And he claimed the poop on the couch on the dog

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So then the dad comes out

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're kind of like drinking it in because you're like, yeah glenn that sounds great

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think I like I don't like I glenn powell does nothing for me

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's only because it's like I feel like I look at him and I'm like I'm looking through him

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know like he's just like the kind of handsome that you're like

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like so sharp when you're just like, huh?

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. I do think I I like him a tremendous amount. He is the kind of guy

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost a kamiglach long thing where you're like

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you too perfectly handsome where you become uninteresting? That's why I like hitman though. Yes because it's about how he's exactly

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think it's like a brilliant

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Movie star like vehicle for life. Have you seen hitman? No, are you on board for hitman? Oh, yeah

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm excited

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And like if mcglockland hadn't found lynch so early in his career

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows what it would have looked like where you're like a die just see through this guy

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, even if there was an inherent weirdness of him

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You need someone to contextualize or whatever

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But glimpow on interview was talking about how he's tried to strategize his career

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said he feels like the mistake a lot of young actors

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Make is that you're just like well, i'm gonna go off and do the big fucking franchise movies

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then my serious movies are like me showing how hard I can act and trying to get an oscar and whatever

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like people don't really rewatch oscar movies

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the kinds of movies that often win people in oscar are like brutal one-time watches

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The worst biopic you've ever seen in your life and that's when it works out well

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the best version of it if you fail to make the good version of it

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you've made a shitty version of the kind of movie that people only like to watch once

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's like part of movie star him is making movies that people want to watch over and over and over again

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's what makes people feel kind of like totemic in their mind

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosner who we've just talked about so much as a perfect example of that

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a thing that makes him kind of an infinite movie star is he has 10 movies that will be rewatch forever

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But lynch has this weird version of that thing where like his films are wildly rewatchable

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: For how uncomfortable they are because there will be scenes where you're just like

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't fucking explain why this has some weird hold on me

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: This movie is profoundly upsetting it has like, you know truly intense content in it

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Not to sound like the movie phone man or whatever and yet you're kind of like

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I love everyone in this movie. They're so random and cool

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They look awesome

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: From so many other filmmakers like him. Yeah, most people you'd be like that film is great

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm obviously never gonna watch that ever again versus blue velvet

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like I can sit there and be uncomfortable while watching it and immediately want to watch it again

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I like

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a buy all and I think like

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the few movies that I can really say this about like I buy all accounts

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I should hate this movie and I love it and like it's I don't know

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And you there's a million, you know David lynch imitators that you're like nope

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the movie. I hate like this is the movie where you're just like

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no rhyme or reason as to like why you're showing

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're swearing our face in this and it's not right like for any reason except to upset

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, but there's like rise out of us

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's like just enough dream logic that you can like

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Follow it and I don't know trust him and then and then just like reading about the production of it

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, he's you know writing around the set on a pink bicycle

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and he fell in love with like they felt like everyone in this movie fell in love. You're like well

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't argue with that, you know

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean it it's one of the things that's so

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting about this film is like the people who hate it at the time

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We're like this thing is like ugly and horrible and I cannot see how this wasn't damaging for the people who made it

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There was this hand wringing in the press

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Of like how dare you do this to your actors?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: What I just saw has such a like ugly power to it that there's no way you could have gotten that effect without actual human cost

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and then you talk to everyone who made the movie and they're like absolutely not

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Incredibly like warm safe supportive environment. Yeah, we all knew what we were doing

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And we like trusted the director because he was

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind, I don't know and and all of the questions that I had about like well, where did this come from?

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Where did this come from? I mean he's so candid that you get the little

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Threads of like the story when he's a little boy and there was a naked woman, you know in his lawn

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, okay

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like searing upsetting image that he never forgot right

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a little boy and he and his brother see a naked woman walking down the street in their neighborhood

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly, you know not not just like taking a stroll like a woman who's like in some traumatic states

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right and then she like disappears

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is a thing that haunted him his entire life

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And for how much he constantly says like there is no irony in my depiction of the suburbs and the white picket fences

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And the the sort of like americana and all of that. This is a genuine warmth for me

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: My childhood was warm all of this was warm

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He cites that as being the one moment in his mind

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, remember as a child where he's just like there is evil like so close to the surface

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It is just barely underneath the veneer of civility that we live in

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Where there's like profound darkness that might be happening

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That is inexplicable. He obviously does not then go

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Highten a closet and try to solve this mystery himself

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But it I think that's a key detail that this movie doesn't come out of him being like what's the most fucked up

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit I can put on screen right? It's this guy 20 years later never having gotten over

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do I want to know the answers to how this woman ended up in that situation at that moment?

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: When did you first see blue father Christian Newman?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I only saw it about 10 years ago. Maybe a little earlier than that

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw at the i of c center at some point in the 2010s when it was uh

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing revival there, uh, the voice of molly sims ringing in my head

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: What is this film about to unlock from me?

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to see some really relatable experience that we've all been waiting for

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We've all been waiting for but like you did say like look let's have a little less conversation and a little more action

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Because that was the theme song to last week. That's like it

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to pull as many things I can about the forgotten james con

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh mbc show lost dr. Mal. Yeah, he was there. Well, listen the castle ox

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Nikki Cox former wife of jaymore. Yes

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: James lashur

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I always thought he had a good name. Yeah

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you the certain about celak? Okay, I've met jaymer right celica. Yeah, celica replaced con

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's right

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that true he at least he's he was a late

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: No, he's like the villain in season five. He buys them on to see but they were both on it the same time

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Con was always in it. Wow

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: There's there was some twist where someone got blown off. I think lariflin boils speaking of david lynch. Oh sure

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, she gets blown off the roof by wind

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And like that's her dead. She's that was like sweet sweet

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: She was like a big villain right exactly and she's like i'm gonna blow up the hotel or whatever that she was going to do

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she gets blown off the roof by a gust of wind

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, is it like a fun choice like the sex in the city lady falling out the window or is it like a

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was it's it's sort of for laughs

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It's dying a maldur walking into an elevator shaft in la law, which is a very famous tv death

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I feel like now this are younger people don't know about la law

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't know that someone just walked into a goddamn empty elevator shaft

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Died and then they like rolled credits and were like see you next week and people had to go to the office and talk about it

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think something similar happened. I'm pretty little liars at some point

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: What if it turned out one whole season of pretty little liars was just la law story

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no these kids don't know la

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is the third time you've done a version of the these kids don't know about la law monologue

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You did once about larry drake's character. I want to say that might might be true. He was a big deal

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I mean I was too young for la law, but you know what you're saying is you did my homework

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You watched every episode

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And david e collie's still with us just turning out crap or whatever. I guess he did like big little eyes

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's had a couple of things doing something

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, david lynch makes the film dune. Mm-hmm. It drives him insane

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He makes the film with the cooperation of the dino dillaranta's group

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who are normal and not weird and don't do anything weird ever. Yes, right

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But before that I guess in between elephant man and dune. He takes a meeting of warner brothers

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want me to read from the dossier? Yeah, exactly. Yes, obviously dune

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Devastates him, you know

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh meditation he says to save him a lot of times and that's one of them

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: david lynch will always of course remind you that you know in times of trouble

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He turns to meditation

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, you know dune it's not just that the movie's bad

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But like he didn't have the freedom. He didn't have the final cut it gets taken away from him

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: He lost himself in the thing. Yeah, um

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He does have this project called blue velvet that he's had since 1973 griffin. Okay fragments of things he says

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I'm a bad radio. Sometimes the parts don't hook together

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It took a long time for blue velvet to emerge

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because right after elephant man his first instinct was to try to do ronnie rocket. Was that the first time?

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Yeah, he met with producer richard roth

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and he gives him the script for ronnie rocket, which is this, you know never produced david lynch concept

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: right, I mean sort of

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Buried gem right lynch fans. It's great unmade. Yeah

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: life's project and like a do we how much do we know about ronnie rocket?

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the script is pretty out there. Yeah, I've never read it. It's basically about uh, I don't know

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_04]: A detective who wants to go to a dimension and he can like stand on one leg to do that and

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: There's like a dwarf and like it's one of those things we can feel like he tore stuff out of it and put it

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that feels like a david lynch madly. Yeah a little bit

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: A haunted detective meets a dwarf to go to demand

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It hilarious to think right of course elephant man. He's like, what about ronnie rocket and the guy's like, uh, yeah, maybe

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any other ideas? Yeah, and

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, come on. Do you have any other ideas and lynch says well, I always wanted to sneak into a girl's room at night

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like ideas for movies david

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm serious. This is not like for what to do on a sunday night

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he was like and I've always thought like what if you did that?

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it turned out to be like the clue to a murder mystery. Uh-huh and to richard roth's credit

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like well that sounds like a movie like that is the premise of a movie

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, you know, you're cooking with something there

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like just the image of someone like hiding in a closet seeing a you know

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Murder and did you have the euro ready at that point?

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and he went home and he pictured someone finding an ear in a field is how he puts it

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen that ear that ears in a movie store in portland, or again. Oh the actual

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, is it the fucking um, it's wait. I wrote it down because I've been there before I went there. Yes. It's uh, it's

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's movie madness. Yes in portland. Yeah, David

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There's this place called movie madness in portland. That's like a

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Valhalla of like an actual dvd rental and it's got like vhs's and I see it here. It's beautiful everything

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It has the most insane movie memorabilia collection

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Very walk in and you're like, oh cool. They have like a couple things they bought

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Are these like replicas and they were like all of this is real and it's like extensive

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically like a mini museum of moving image. Love it. So awesome. Yeah, and you can just walk in

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they they have the ear. All right. Well, I'm gonna go get it

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were saying jimmy. I saw that ear in another movie

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you recognized it went like they don't need anyone

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like talking about like seeing uh, like jimmy the crow

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, griffin let me talk because I think I know a little bit more about our next

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[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So what are his inspirations here? He wants to spy on a woman

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: An ear in the in the grass bobby vinton song cover of blue velvet

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the kind of music you really like something mysterious. It made me think about things

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought about lawns the neighborhood. It's twilight. Maybe a streetlight is on

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know in the car there's a girl with red lips. I mean this is just what he just goes into some state and pulls out

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: David lynch stuff like David lynch chopped a gradient

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is what you have to do. This is why I think this is still the quintessential. Yeah

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It has all the things moholland drive is just the other side of his coin

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: If this is the like right the small town america thing and moholland drive is like la is this point

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That is now seen as his masterpiece and this is still seen as his like definitive

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I totally get I just feel like the by the time moholland drive comes out

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You like not that you can ever truly know exactly what to expect but you this is the one where you're like

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He hadn't it was unprecedented. I mean imagine being molly sims sitting there in the theater going

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy isn't gonna speak to the thing that I sound like she's related to me

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't believe that she is what what if we found that out by the end of this episode

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Molly sims. Let's see. She's born to jim and doddy sims. Okay

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: In may mary, kentucky. Hmm. I mean jim sims

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean the sims's are all in in europe

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_04]: They're my dad, you know

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: The sims are english and scottish. It's scott stuber. Cool. Who was the head of netflix?

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, until he was fired. Yeah for winning too much

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, let's have you spit in a cup david

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But not for any other reason just just period. I just want to see how strong your spit is

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not I think not good

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll send it out and then we'll we'll we'll see what you know ancestry.com has to say

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't want those guys having my dna

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They probably have it anyways. Yeah, they probably are your cousin did it. I've licked enough lamppost in my life

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_04]: David what?

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Ah david. Yes ants

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Ants

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Ants

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Ants ants ants ants

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I hate getting cornered by him. We all do. I knew that was going to be a relatable conversation starter

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Why aren't you getting married? What's going on with that promotion? Why haven't you moved out of mom and dad's basement griffin?

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, those were directed at me. I thought they were

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh now I feel attacked

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of the basement griffin

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I don't listen she just judges judges judges

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You're getting together with your family

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you might have to be in a barrage with these kinds of questions

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But stay in there and grin and bear it

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want you feeling that way when you talk to your doctor about like a weird rash

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[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_04]: David lynch, uh, blue velvet's the opposite of elephant man. He says that's about a elephant man. He's like

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's this terrifying ugly exterior, right?

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a beautiful soul and a beautiful person within

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Blue velvet is the opposite, right the beautiful sheen of the suburbs and like

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Then the horror stuff

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: With that you get me. No, I get what you're saying 100%

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, when like ebert in particular hated this moment. We'll talk his review is iconic. Yeah

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He I remember reading it when I saw this film in high school after watching mohan drive

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I was like, okay, I need to you know

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember going to his review because I was a little ebert boy

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like that's magic ebert say and like it's just like it's the most upset review

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He's just like I understand why people thinks this is masterpiece. I feel horrible

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm you know, I'm too upset by this move and he like wrote follow-up pieces

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I tried to get back into it. No, it still freaks me out

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It ultimately comes back around to being like I do think lynch is like a master filmmaker

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that movie is still evil like he never

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he never really changes his mind on blue velvet specifically. I appreciate yeah, I went through his sort of

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: soul searching journey to try to like blue velvet

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like I mean even though I don't agree with him

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I can also see how you know, it's it's easily a movie you could watch

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially right when it came out if you didn't know what to make of it and be like, yeah, this feels evil

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want any part of it. Well the thing I found very interesting is a lot of the people who took that stance

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Ebert chief among them had this attitude of like

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a film about just like kind of gross depravity

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost feels like this fetish object of watching all this like humiliation and abuse

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Misanthropic sadness and what have you and then on top of it is this very like glib kitschy layer

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Of 50s americana pastis that there's his idea of like satire

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think what was misunderstood at that time and it's one of those things that like it just there wasn't enough of an understanding

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: of who lynch was

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That people thought he was putting that on top of it to mock

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like well, this is like people keeping up appearances in this phony bullshit way

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's doing all of this with this like side-eye versus him looking back on that being like these are genuinely the things that make me happy

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I associate with my childhood, which I think of as being very nice

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: None of this is done like cynically or sarcastically

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I understand where eber's coming from is if you don't know who

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He like david lynch fully is at this time, which no one really quite did

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he is the exception to the to the rule there where there's so many like

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Directors with his level of you know creative vision and power that would take the opportunity to humiliate their actors and

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Subjugate them and like I don't know. I mean especially with

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: regards to like how isabella like rosalini is like brutalized in this movie on my first viewing I was like

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck like what what do what do you make of this?

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And so like I went straight to like watching it again to be like, okay

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Was that what was what I thought I saw and like what I actually saw

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Parse that out and then it was just like I just wanted to hear her talk about the experience of making the movie and like

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Listening to her talk about making the movie and listening to david lynch talk about the creative choices

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He was making

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Made it like makes it an easier movie. It's never an easy movie to watch but it makes an easier movie to

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Interact with but like that wouldn't have been possible when it came out

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, and I think the you're seeing this thing pretty right unvarnished the elephant man thing

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You said right which is the key to it for him of like that's a movie about a guy who on the surface people think

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Is very frightening looking and inside you're arguing for the humanity of this person

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That if you think the americana stuff on top of the movie is all done tongue-in-cheek

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you're like what the fuck is this?

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: There was no sincerity to this thing versus what he's saying is like I genuinely think these things are beautiful

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like david lynch is like nothing is more beautiful and poetic to me than like a mulch shop

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Or like two kids going steady or like, you know a lawn and it does sound like a lie

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But then when you know it's him you're like, you're like it is real

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is what's fascinating about him and why anyone trying to make a movie like this

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: By design it would be as ugly

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right as what people are accusing him of doing versus this film being like a very honest reflection of his worldview

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So he gets rough is like look take this to warner. I'll take I'll get you in a meeting with water brothers

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He pitched this is pre-dune post elephant man

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Pitches it to water brothers and uh the exec is like

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this like a true story and lynch is like no, I made it up and the guy's like all right

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll do it like cool. The guy's just like

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Lynch says he wrote two screenplays that were horrible

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That were just the ugly stuff right and that the guy warners was screaming at him on the phone

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the film kind of got put away and then he went to work on dune

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And even though it is so weird. He had a horrible time working on that movie dino de larentis

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there and I guess he's like maybe you're the guy for blue velvet

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: yet

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Italian freak dino

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_04]: your

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like the only issue is uh warner brothers. I think has the rights to it and dino is like don't worry about

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He uh doesn't you know, he called water brothers and got it back very quickly

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So it is funny that like dino kind of makes it up to him in a way this horrible experience he has

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: This don't perform million dollars is far and away like the cheapest film he makes that year

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's generally working on a much larger scale. If not always at a dune scale dino is doing

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Conan movies and shit like that

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, right. He says can I have the final cut and dino says no problem

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Just cut your salary in half cut the budget in half right

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like you have to make it for under 10 and dino assigns him the um producer fred caruso

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Who he said was this like very disciplined old school kind of hollywood guy

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And he looked at it and he's like you could make this for four. Yeah

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Um lynch said to caruso the budget's 10 million dollars

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And he read the script a few times and he says I don't know what this movie is about

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to work on it. I can get the movie down to four million easy basically

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And lynch loves this man bless his heart because he knows that caruso turning back and saying I can make it for less than half of what you're offering

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It gives

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh lynch by proxy complete freedom at this point dilarantis is like well at four that's a fucking grounding error

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Why not? I won't say anything about this movie

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I won't even watch it right who cares lynch says fred caruso talks in a way that gives you a feeling of assurance and safety

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And he would often say to him. I don't know what you're doing, but he was a really good producer

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so uh lynch gives the script to call mclochland on the set of dune

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe on a raucous maybe when they're on a worm or something. He's like i want to read this my boy

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_04]: They're drinking. I saw you as the pervert

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeffrey highlighted the lines for you. What were you saying?

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I just I haven't seen any any dune that's ever come out and is it did they drink?

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, two questions. Do they drink their own piss gas? Okay, but like not out of a cup their suit is doing it on screen

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry not and not even in the david lynch one

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay, so like in in dune, you know in on the world of raucous the harsh sand world of raucous

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You're wearing a stillsuit that's recycling your water. My brain just turned off. I'm sorry. Okay

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's a lot of people do in like page one of the book like before they're you know, where it's just like

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_04]: The quiz that's hot rock and people are just like it's gone. It's gotta go. I'm not reading

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Jamie you're not into this hard lore. You just like opening shot the mariner pisses into a contraption on his own ship

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We live in water world

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He drinks the piss just working that pump. Yeah, I was like there's no uh, there's no live dune show at universal studios

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Hollywood

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be so cruel and unusual if they if they got rid of the water world showed or replace it with

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the water world shows and going it's more implied piss drinking. Yeah, not not

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, they do drink worm piss in a way. Yeah, it makes them go crazy

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And like see visions and stuff. Yeah

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So you do see that

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's you know, it's not their own piss. It's not you know, and it's not the good stuff

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the good stuff the spicy stuff

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I do well, of course they do ingest the spice

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I do like lynch's quote about kyle where he's like some actors when you look in your eyes

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Their eyes you can't see them thinking kyle can think on screen

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeffrey is connecting different worlds

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He's looking to sandy's world is looking into dorthy's world

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_04]: He can even look into franc's world and I need like, you know, someone who can communicate that silently

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting. I think

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Not the common glockland bad and doom

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But when they announced that chalamet was doing the the new one and you david were like that's so fucking spot on

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was at a moment when you were getting a little bit frustrated with chalamet

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And you were like I cannot deny that that is the perfect application of him

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I called him a grading and mannered actor and someone said he's only grading and mannered when he's uh,

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Giving you extra parmesan at olive garden. Maybe you and chalamet were on the rocks

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That is wait who said that sam herbs shout out to you sam herbs

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Very it was so funny. I said there's performance and beautiful boy was grading and mannered and sam was like

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He is only grading and mannered if he's giving you extra cheese apart at olive garden

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That is one of the funnier things i've heard in a long time

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I was kind of like

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, I think with timmy chalamet. I was kind of like, yeah, but like right

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: How does this guy translate and then he picked, you know, he's paul a trade

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: He's announced like that is something about him being sort of unnerving special boy, right the special boy

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Think come glocklin. I think is almost a little bit too adult for dune. Yeah, sure. He's a little less boy

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: She's still pretty boy. He'll talk about it

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But then in this movie you're like this is such a perfect young man, which is what this movie needs

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He is so firmly in the center of like this guy returns home

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There are women who are still in high school who remember him

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: From being king shit in high school. He is not quite transitioned into adulthood, right?

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But he does right. He's not a kid like this is a and this whole movie is the journey of him being like

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of left behind the like

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Comforting bubble of the white picket fence world

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Do I want to go back to being like the guy who can pick up the girls at the school?

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Do I want to venture into a darker world?

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It is I know that

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: His character and lauren's character are close in age

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But there is something so jerry sign filed coded about pulling up to a high school

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And red convertible where you're just like no keep driving in also his bad boy 2.0 phase. Let's acknowledge ben

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Come the glocklin in this film

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Rocking a little ear. I you beat me to it. I was gonna make fun of ben. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, ben has a little ear

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So I recently changed to a hoop having had a stud for about a year. Yeah, okay. Okay. I knew something seemed different

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the office. I know all the balances in here are off but it's crazy. We haven't recalibrated yet

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, ben's been feeling more powerful

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Ben really has yeah, you get no, sorry go on. Well, I just I was saying before we

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: started recording too that I really was influenced by all of his fits in this movie and I'm gonna become a sports jacket guy

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting start wearing ties. He dresses a lot like lynch in this. You're entering your new wave era is what you're telling me

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I also fully believe that uh

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Lynch, you know lynch in his prime was doing the chicken dance on date one like that's all out of biographical

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Easily, but I also like to think about all the things that all the weird things that Jeffrey does early on room

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe if he just didn't do the chicken dance, none of this would have happened

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what are little things? I feel like he conjured the situation

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: For himself, but it is like I don't know

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeffrey is and the I felt a little vindicated. I'd never looked into like the cut scenes or anything that was like removed from this

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: movie, but like

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Como Glockland is really I don't know. I think the most iconic comma Glockland role for me

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Formatively outside of the Flintstones sister sort of the traveling pants too is that is a close third

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, blue velvet is my no number two. Okay. Well, come on. Just just in the state tray mcdougal

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we whether measure my john thomas

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just always remember him saying John wow my john thomas

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Alrighty

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's just like and the things that he's good at feel so consistent regardless of like the the genre

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's in where he's great at like being oblivious, but he's also great at

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's uniquely good at being like guilty and shameful

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: In like a very like baby way like a baby who's been hit. Um, yes

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He's so good at being shameful. That is very true

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He's played so many kinds of deviance over the years, which is great. I support deviancy

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I'm not you send him a bunch of facebook messages and he had to write and apologize publicly that he's not his characters

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see that the rectus erectus has to fucking be like for the record?

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually live in the wasteland and capture children

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: After some startling messages I've received from strangers

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I live in hell

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: If he had just doubled down on us living in hell and been like I was allowed notes to have apology

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For the actions he did in furios basically what he posted. Yeah, I know

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I know poor guy. Yes like so like right in sex in the city charlotte marries. What seems like the perfect preppy guy

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, wait, do not know cheese never

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen two episodes of sex in the state. I've never seen something that you haven't seen before. This is really exciting

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: This is really cool

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And he turns out to be a baseball game

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: No

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and right she marries like she's always wanted this like you know kind of picture perfect husband

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: She thinks she's bounded in this like preppy guy who wears like, you know boating hat and his mom's name is bunny

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And it turns out he's like an impotent mom obsessed freak who like, you know

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Cannot get it up in bed because he's got so much going on

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, but has no idea. He has so much stuff going on and like that's he's so good at you're right

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Like both head empty and head busy. Yeah freak shit

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I like it's

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That I mean any different but like it's like dale cooper shit too where it's like his head looks empty

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but there's just like

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's unclear whether

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He knows how much is going on in his head

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know. I've never seen that specific kind of like eye glaze that kyle mclochland can conjure

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he looks so much like a mannequin without being vacant. Yeah, you know, this is why the hidden used him that way

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's why like fallout this year uses him the exact he's always instant path to that

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Where you're like, I can't tell if this guy is

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Devious

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Or is right just like a mannequin come to life and like does a character. Yes

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I was gonna say very funny. Yeah, I think the funniest thing on portlandia was steve ishemi being celery

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: anyway

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Coma clocklin is given the script likes the script a lot

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Is really he's like, I think I understand this he takes it to his parents which is adorable

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, something you do I guess when you've only been in one movie his parents are very upset by this

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: His mother apparently couldn't even talk after reading it

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was basically like I think that david's gonna handle this well like please don't worry

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh when we covered uh seven on this show

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And reading about everyone's response to the script at the same time. It's one of those things that just like

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Which makes sense. It feels quaint now

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think we're at a point now where it's hard to imagine any script being sent around hollywood where people are like, how

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: dare they

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In that same sort of way people will be like this is offensive

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you you read how people received this on paper

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Similar to the seven script and they were like this seems illegal

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I it's kind of fun to think about where you're gonna screen this movie in prison

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how much of that can be like attributed to like just pre internet where it's like now you can just you can be like

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a built-in audience for any fetish you could conjure like there are

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Millions of people interested and I have the data where before I mean that's like

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess part of what the movie's talking about is like you just don't know what people are into

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like it's it's it's far too easy to figure out what people it's like when molly sim said that

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something in the culture that hasn't been spoken to no, I think you're right

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's this knowledge now that at any point you could google anything and probably see it

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And most of us are choosing at most times to not google most things

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's not that feeling of like how dare you put that out into the world because you're like

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's all out there. I'm just trying to avoid it now

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is lynch's first collaboration with uh, joanna ray who is his casting director going forward famously the ex-wife of aldo ray

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Someone where it's like basically just at this point. I mean she works on like lynch tarantino

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: She cast show girls like her entire casting like credits on i'm to be they're just all amazing

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, obviously has an eye for like freaks deviance

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, I'm seeing this with love

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Frank booth is the tough role to cast here willem de faux was supposedly in discussions at some point

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Makes sense eventually. Obviously he's on wild at heart

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Lynch absolutely offered the role to harry dean stanton who was disturbed by it

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to go on it go down that violent trip. He said

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Hopper was basically like I really get this hopper is campaigning for the role. Yes now hopper is

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Not in like a

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Career place, right? Like it's like he's not really a draw

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but as lynch says

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like hearing rumors that hopper might have cleaned up

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That this is coming off of like over a decade where hopper became vaguely unhireable

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Just because like this guy is so

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, whacked out of his mind on any number of substances at any time that you're just not going to be able to control him

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and there's this question of like has hopper cleaned up. I'm so curious. Is there like

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: footage of

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: David lynch

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And as hopper like working together

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What would they like having a conversation to get it almost feels like a clausen verner thing

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just like what is this dynamic? How could it possibly have worked?

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That the fascinating thing is like you watch like the documentary about the last movie and you're like

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a guy who is like unraveling, right by this point

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's like never a bad story about denis hopper onset behavior from 1985 on he went on the wagon

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it yes, it's like and I think he had a really

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Chaotic reputation and that's why

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Lynch even has to be convinced even though apparently denis is saying to him like you have to let me play frank

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I am frank, right? I mean like behaviorist. I just someone who's yelling at your

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who can't not yell that's the thing though

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like even when he's giving unhinged performances

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like from 85 on the narrative is this guy went through it all

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's able to like

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Uncork it when he needs to in front of camera

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But like the thing that obviously appeals to lynch and then he talks about it is like he is such a 50s guy hopper

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he does have this like motorcycle bandit thing basically

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The rebel without a cause exact and like that's what lynch fucking loves like that

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And so he says like there's a scene where denis is watching darthys sing and he's crying and it was totally perfect

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a side of these romantic 50s rebel things where guys could cry and it was totally okay and cool

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they would beat the shit out of somebody in the next minute macho guys don't cry now and it's false

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And the 50s had guys had these po this poetry swimming through them, which is an amazing way to think about this

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and a guy like this was had done like heightened studio melodrama had done like counter cultural

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: experimental

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Had done had touched so many different eras of hollywood speed and water world back to back

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Wood do speed. Yeah, yeah, I mean drink water back to back

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You're forgetting king koopa, of course, which I'm so sorry

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that yeah an incredible run

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What a what a career in the 90s darthie valens

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Lynch really wanted helen miran who is a mega babe at the time

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's working with like peter greenway and stuff and I was gonna say kind of make sense for this type of movie

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: right, yes

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh, he says that she gave him lots of feedback on the script and really helps him

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Lynch says I didn't know isabel rossolini. You know, I didn't even really know she acted

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought of her more as a model

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And the sun was entirely helen miran's idea that when he was talking to her about the project

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She was like her behavior doesn't really make sense unless you're doing it for a child

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, there has to be a sense of something greater. She's protecting that she's making these calculations in the name of uh

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And apparently when he met isabel rossolini, uh david lynch said to her, you know

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You look like ingrid bergman and someone was like

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's her mother

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what are you talking about? I don't know if it's apocryphal. I feel like at times

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard that story relate as someone tells him

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It is her mother you idiot and it literally falls out of his chair

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I could imagine uh, you could see lynch going like holy smoke

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Falling backwards losing control. Yeah, so

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He reaches out to martin scorsese who is the ex-husband of isabel rossolini. They were already split up at that point

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yes. Okay. Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's other way around. Sorry is it ballerosa?

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He reaches out to martin her ex-husband and says like what's the deal with david lynch and he's like go see a racer head

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And she was very impressed by it and

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: There it goes and lynch puts her with kyle lemak lachlan

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And has them talk and do stuff like that and then gets the part

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously lynch is also like madly in love with her. It's very obvious

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say these quotes in retrospect that he was just so struck by her

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I didn't think they were already divorced at that point

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There was some scorsese interview where he talked about rossolini asking him about lynch

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That he was interested in her and they had that conversation

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She walked away or hung up the phone or whatever and scorsese was like she's gonna fucking fall in love with lynch

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this immediate like I know exactly what's about to happen

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess he had already kind of fucked it up at that point. I mean this is like scorsese. How long were they married for?

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: how low

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Scorsese or um scorsese personally were married only for three years and that's like the absolute worst of his addiction issues

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She's married to him at the worst point before he kind of 99 to 82 right? It's it's the new york new york

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Digging himself out to come back the other side with raging bull era

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then rossolini dates lynch from blue velvet on till like around 1991

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh, yeah, and then laura dern obviously this is the beginning of long history collaborations for lynch and dern

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: She was 17 years old

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously she is a hollywood royalty right another daughter brister and he loves anyone who has history

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah with the entertainment industry in that way

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But also like people like dean stockwell who are like former child stars people were legacy stars people who

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Have existed in different eras or mediums or what have you and um

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, he just wants obviously this sort of like pure, you know creature right who's not really like been in hollywood yet

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which to embody was incredibly good at doing without making it seem

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: uninteresting right she'd already been in like

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Mask and smooth talk at this point. It's like this is not her first movie, but I don't know whatever

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: All right blue velvet what do you guys think? All right, it's about um,

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that guy finds in the air turns out there's some fucked up stuff going on

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I mean for me this movie is about a guy losing his keys

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This is david's take that we're gonna solve every lynch movie with the same reading

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but I I'm like no no guys. I've solved it texture guy lost his keys

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's just going on with him. Uh, I forgot about that bit. Thank you for minding me

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what i'm here for um blue velvet you open with incredible beginning right very classic always like sneaks up on me

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The credits literally projected on blue velvet curtains. Haki choice

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking. I'm joking. Wow

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a joke. It's a hilarious joke. Well, I'm not laughing

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking sick what you just said

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of linchy in it

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: joke

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You you play the song over the perfect idyllic sort of

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Footage of the kind of thing that lynch does revere

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the watering of the lawn and what have you

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: God yeah at the at the end with like the uh the image of the whatever

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what flowers or flowers roses probably

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And sky it just I don't know I

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I like that this movie came out in the 80s and that for some reason

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And i'm sure that there's plenty of them

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That like this is a decade where this kind of movie could come out

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like in the middle of the reagan years you could make a movie like this and tim burton could make his version of a movie like this

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone could make their version of a movie like this that is like playing on the suburbs

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it just feels like they're getting away with something incredible back to the future

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole thing of like that movie only makes sense at the exact point in time

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They made it we devoted entire episode onto it, but the relationship between the 80s and the 50s

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Was something like very specific it felt like

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this movie feels like it takes place in both decades at the same time

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I was gonna say it isn't until whatever it is maybe five or six minutes in

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: When i'm watching it and I clock

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all playing guitar. I'm trying to be like the most 80s thing we could be doing

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the earring there's a there was a moment and every time I've watched it

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the same thing where I get to whatever point

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: However many minutes in and I clock the earring for the first time

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the movie makes a point of revealing it and I go like, oh right this is present day

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie is supposed to be in 1986

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but only when they need it to only when they need it to be because like laura dern's fits while great

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Or not taking place in 1986. No, like they're like weird poodle like grease costumes

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. She just not not narrowing nothing is bedazzled or uh, you know, there's no neon or whatever

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But I love that. I really love when uh, like uh, it's just like doesn't care

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: About the like about you knowing with specificity what year it is. Oh, I love that. Um, which is maybe just like a

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: reaction to watching any uh

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like movie that takes place at a specific time that plays like the election results of that year and the background of the first scene

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're like, oh, okay. I guess it's the year 2000

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Just not enough stories set against the backdrop of the 2016 election. Anytime I read that from like a festival review

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, god

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And for some reason the filmmakers decided to specifically set this film against the backdrop

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you all. I wonder if they were trying to get at something there. It's just like so annoying

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know maybe it's maybe it's because I'm rereading a series of unfortunate events right now

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that you're doing which is of course set against the backdrop of the 2000 election

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It it is talking about a series of

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's so much more hanging chad stuff in the lemony snicket books than you remember

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so great. It's the vfd a bunch of hanging chads where the butterfly ballads a bunch of yeah

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all chads the sugar bowl hanging chads. It's all but but just like another uh, like they use the spy glass to find the

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: chads

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But like they don't give a shit like it's only the present day when

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the author needs it to be the present day for the plot tour and it feels like he's like I would rather it be

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: 1897 but we do need them to have a telegram or a phone or something in this book

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's whenever whatever year you need it to be should I read those?

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you never read them? I was like a little too old for them. I think I was like 14

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Unsurprisingly and my brother loved them and I think I sort of was just like well, they're joey's thing like he reads those

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw the movie

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I just not the same experience not the same wait. Did you like it?

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so. No, I think this is because I feel like you strongly dislike that movie

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: That's too strong. No, I just remember being underwhelmed by it but

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: While appreciating that at least had like design in it

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that movie is like an astounding work of craft that is narratively an absolute mess

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel you're both right. Yeah. Wait. I feel like okay. I think my problem is jim carrey

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's also kind of a problem the whole thing with him is

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You're just getting jim carrey like working hard. It's not an act. It's I don't know

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I've just said this to whoever will listen recently and i'm so glad I found the opportunity to say it again

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they made the same mistake in the second adaptation with neil patrick carrey's. He's not supposed to be funny

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He's supposed to be scary. It should have been chris for lorrie both times

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But it could have been germin irons

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, it makes so much sense obviously that some exec was like right. This is a perfect opportunity for

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, some comedic actor to be a goofball. Yes. Oh when he gets to play like six different characters. Yeah, wonderful

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Does costume changes? Yeah, I don't believe that jim carrey would kill a child

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I do believe that jeremy irons would kill a child. Well jeremy irons would kill a child to like, you know get coffee faster

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Or what? Like he would do it for 80s

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean carrey, I don't know. You know, I just rewatch batman forever. This is the same the same series that i'm doing with this friend

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Juneterre's

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the same thing in that it's like you're getting jim carrey like he's doing his thing

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: This is another obviously the man has given proper performances in his career. Yes, but not when it's hey

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you can it be jim carrey for a bit? It's another way in which I feel very conflicted about that movie is

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think it is one of his best later comedic performances

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's an absolutely horrible fit for the movie

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the wrong movie for it where I'm like, I wish he was able to bring this to anything else in that 10 year period

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But and that's also the same year that eternal sunshine came out. I'm pretty sure is both

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is our best performance period

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's nuts that those came out the same year and outside of jip carrey

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the movie is super well cast. I love meryl streep is on josephine. I like I thought all of this was fucking good

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks cool. It looks so good. Mr. Poe come on. Is that with the entertainer?

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Great, I don't even remember that my thing would carry in batman forever

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I feel like I may not have said when we did the commentaries almost suggest that we should talk about the movie twin pigs

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I know just one minute. Yeah, just one minute. Okay. Okay. He's a pig's blue velvet. Yeah

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: We could

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well more step to get back to no no no

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He's introduced to us as like squarely odd scientist edward digmer who's like disheveled and weird

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, then he becomes the riddler and he's like it's like his id is unleashed and he's crazy and fun and charismatic, right?

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But then he switches to a third persona that's just normal jim carrey in a tux

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: When he's like now i'm edward nigma with money and i'm like and i'm like where was this guy earlier?

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You're supposed to be this onion scientist. I never connected that

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Suddenly in a tux he looks hot and he's like young jim carrey and you're just like who this guy was missing

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Just stop you found it. This is the mid-stage is where you need to live

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's only for like one sequence when they're having a party for his entrance was good yours

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're just like fuck this is just jim carrey being a babe

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know and drew berry more is just flirting with him. Yeah, understandable

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Because she's probably like this whole shtick where i'm half the guy's girlfriend and demi mazar is the other half

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't do this forever like this bizarre. Are you single depending on how the coin falls?

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Drew berry more had to be so adjacent to a lot of guys doing their shtick. Yeah

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: True had to endure the shtick. Oh my god including et that fucking

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That god bugging it up getting drunk on camera in front of kids

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Waddling around without his pants on i'm so glad he died

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Now no he came back to life. Oh

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am I am rooting for the government and et

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're rooting for key guy. Yeah get his ass

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh that guy didn't lose this case. Anyways, I like when a movie takes place

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically where basically in the two years that the director is interested in except for when he needs something. Yes, it's great

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You you have this opening of americana and then you witness a man having heart attack while watering his lawn

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: As he falls to the ground you go deeper and deeper into the dirt and you have this sort of like mechanical

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: industrial

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's hold on a little fucked up

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Just under the surface bugs are like doing

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so easy to mark freaking gross, but it is so cool, but it works. It's awesome. Yes

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just also like the like the stock lynch noise. Like oh is just great. Yeah

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like the the uh the ambient soundtrack of eraser head right um just underneath the surface

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeffrey uh bowmont summons us a college kid jeffrey

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I love to attend to his father. We basically have no sense of what his life has been like since leaving this town

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside of knowing he went off to college

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I know in a deleted scene there's a scene of him just confirming the jeffrey creepy guy

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: allegations if there were any doubt

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Of like him doing the same thing at college. Oh, just like in closets. Yeah, like we're I think it's like a another

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeffrey voyeuristic moment where he's like watching a woman get either harassed or assaulted in some way at school

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And then just being like well anyways

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This is I need I haven't actually seen the scene, but I know that there was just so much of this movie that was cut

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's an hour of deleted stuff. Yeah, which is fascinating because the movie is already two hours long

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like this is often the case with lynch

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. Yeah, he had a much much longer version of this movie that he I think you know

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I prefer knowing less about jeffrey. I like I like that you're sort of left being like, okay

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is this guy? I don't I don't need the confirmation that he is a fucking creep because you can kind of feel it

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, uh, he comes back his father is incapacitated

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But it is one of those things where it's like

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: His his father's health issues have nothing to do with the plot of the film

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I had misremembered like oh he he has a heart attack and then he finds through the ear on the ground

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's completely unrelated events. It just brings jeffrey back home. And as you said, it's almost like jeffrey needs some other project

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He's ostensibly back there to take care of his father except it's a thing

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He seems wildly disinterested in doing and he's just kind of like okay. He's there. All right

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I guess I should be a good son and stay nearby. He also has the mind the hardware store too

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a motivator too. But even then I think we don't see him do much in the film

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have said and there's but there's two guys named ed that work there. Isn't that like double ed?

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: um, I

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: what I

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: liked about I don't know

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like if we're thinking of him as like 19 or 20 or however

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: old he's supposed to be who's just very suddenly been asked to drop

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever his hopes and dreams may have been

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: To leave probably can't come back because it doesn't seem like if his dad

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If the hardware shop isn't like fully functioning

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like he can go back to school and like I don't know. I think about people

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I know who are in

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: A position like that where they had to leave school for whatever reason

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And had to go home and like sort of reneg on like, okay

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What I thought was going to happen is not going to happen

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think very often you'll just get really into

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Some other thing to distract from the fact that your life has been very suddenly derailed

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And you have no control and I like on this viewing not the first couple times I watched it, but I was like, oh

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I like locked in

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to my pervert king jeffrey

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And was like this is a guy

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Who like is just searching for a sense of control because the things that are out of his control are very

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Depressing and mundane like he can't go to college anymore. He has to work at a hardware store

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't seem like he wants to move home, but he can't deal with it

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like i'm gonna be harry at the spy and that's how i'm gonna cope with my life

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Very suddenly fucking sucking but also I think there's this piece of

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's what I like about getting so little kind of like background on him

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he's never talking about how badly he wants to go back to college. He's never talking about his father's

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: illness

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Derailing a specific track. He thought his life was on

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's this guy who is like

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Very deeply in some transitional state the sort of young manhood

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And is fighting against me be all sides of having to settle in any one place

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, is is the coolest thing I can do to fucking take my car around to the high school and try jerry sign felt the

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit out of this town like, you know

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: box full of potards

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I go unfrosted on their ass is the coolest thing I could do to have a 17 year old girlfriend

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Or it does that make me king shit of like i'm the coolest version of what I wanted to be when I was 14 and lived here

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean it feels like his instincts. I don't know. I'm sure I'm like project

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's easy to project onto jeffrey because apparently i'm a jeffrey and that bums me out but like

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You just wish you were long for near when men were men, you know, you kind of like, you know

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_04]: When your jury sign felt like

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I just just do jury sign felt

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But that like there's like a very like childish thing behind like, you know

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's terrifying to find an ear but then to be like it's my job to figure out

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: What is going on with this year? He almost frames it a little bit at the beginning and obviously he uses this as a way to

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like get closer to sandy of like maybe this is my calling

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe i'm the kind of guy who could like be a detective

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know meeting her father and getting this sense of like how it invigorated him

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But the other part of it for me is just like

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like an all-in-one wonderland like rabbit hole thing

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Where it's like

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Here is the hole to adulthood

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's all this shit that's been out of reach for me when I was a child

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There's all this shit going on behind closed doors underneath the surface

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of it's dark. Some of it's exciting. Some of it's sexy. Some of it's terrifying

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like do I want to just know what it is?

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And he keeps on he's trying very briefly to be like what is the way to know without getting into it to hide in a closet

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: To just do the recon work. I just find the ear, but I want to know what they find

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then very quickly he gets

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Too directly involved. I would be so bad at hiding in a closet. I'm so like large infigy

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it'd be so shitty. I'm so small in fidgety

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be great at hiding in a closet

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Admit it if you found an ear on you know lawn, you would be like I got to figure out the ear

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course I would

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And you would go right into a closet. You're such a jeffrey

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And like what he's doing is I feel like he has the same instinct that like anonymous redditors trying to like

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Solve a cold case in their neighborhood. Yes is trying to take it right like no

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Actual skill here except you found the ear and now you've decided right you want to deal with it

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I must be the guy there's a lot of like

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Horrible podcasters that do the same thing. Absolutely. Yeah, like us

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: This pretty young girl who's like I have like 10 more information

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, right? That's who I am where I'm like, why no a little bit of gossip and I want to hear about this

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I am not touching any ears and I'm not going into any class

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm staying outside

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I do know how to drive a car so I can beep the horn. Yeah, I'm great at beeping

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And there is this game of her like being very upfront that she has a boyfriend but continuing to spend time with him

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The idea that this is like an activity

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Gives her the safety blanket of being like I'm not cheating on him

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: No, and she's near someone who's doing something interesting

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And but without yeah, like you're just saying to vote like with the safety of like

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to do it

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a part of it and I get to be near it and

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. It seems like your boyfriend. I love this scene when

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike is about to beat the shit out of jeffrey and then

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like isabella rustling is there and uh, then he's like, oh, I'm I'm sorry

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then just retreats

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: One of his friends like I thought you're gonna kick his ass man

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike's a loser

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Mike. Yeah, I hope Mike was hit by a car that night

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's also there's the scene where because he I guess he goes

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: First pretends to be the exterminator, right?

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they go to see your imposter after that. Yeah, he does some you know

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He does some air exterminating. He sees this guy in a yellow coat. He's like, that's weird

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And so then he decides right let's and he steals a key

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, right. And so but he goes to

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: To sandy and he goes like I want to see her sing

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see that she's kind of just like this kind of fun

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a day night with him like she's starting to get more into the idea of like is this a backdoor

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Relationship starter or even if not, it's like she can sleep with this guy and then he'll just be gone

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like he's he's he's the cool

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Older guy moving through town and then he's gonna go back to college like it's low stakes

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You watch the energy of the way she has dressed herself up

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The way she's holding herself at the nightclub the way she is like putting date expectations on this

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then watching the way that he is watching her perform

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when they're in the car afterwards, she's just like this is veered off into a different direction

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw something change in you right that you are getting involved in this to a degree that I no longer like

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That I am means to an end for you

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: To solve this thing

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Right and I also get kind of jealous for my friends do stuff without me and so that's how I'm also like

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: At that age she got so much further than I ever

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Would and also I it's so hard to tell I mean like with jeffrey when he's like

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you've never had beer before and like is that him like posturing?

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that him being a dumb ass like

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that him assuming that she's more worldly than she actually is like you you can't really tell

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you know, I don't know I I dated a college guy for a little while when I was in high school

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I got in a car with him once and he was smoking weed and I started crying and that was

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He apologized to my mom at dunkin donuts the next day

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: To go somewhere safe and I was at the dunkin donuts across the street watching with my friends

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch him apologize to my for my to my mom for like corrupting me

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that the first time you had ever been around someone smoking weed? Yeah, I had a meltdown

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what to do. It was the least cool thing. It was the least

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He's thinking like all right. Let me right knock it up knock my game up here

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be really cool smoking a j drove us down high street while smoking weed and I and he's like

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want some and I just burst into tears

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean you were you were like a cheerleader right and right you were like

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was I was recently out of my back brace. I was coming into my own. Okay, right. I was emerging

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was on the dance team

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that yeah, maybe maybe that's why I was like, I don't I don't know if jeffrey assumed

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She's more worldly than I think that guy definitely thought I had smoked weed before

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then but you know, I have half as we make assumptions. You apologize to my mom at dunkin donuts

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's you shouldn't do that

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Talking about him being I feel like a bagel twist right now. I feel like our whole life has been bagel twisted up by my actions

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what he said. Oh sure. Yeah

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: speaking of him being a sort of

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: representation of lynch on screen. Yeah

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: his

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: dialogue about heineken

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is his like lynchiest moment in this film like lynch as a man

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you're like this kind of just like this is the one good beer. I love this beer so much

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And that just I don't know that he wrote for deniz hopper like

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Paps blue ribbon. You're like, no, that's that's real man beer. Yeah, but it's just so funny

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck that shit

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I had paps blue ribbon for years after because I it doesn't exist in britain

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It might now because it's like cool. Yeah, you know beer back then it wasn't right sure

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I thought that was the coolest shit in the world when he said paps blue ribbon

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He's supposed to be 19 vaguely. Yeah, Jeffrey. Yeah, sure 1920s

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the 80s like people who are supposed to be teenagers looks 40 like it's really

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's how old was he when they anytime you see like a picture of a book. Yeah, okay. Yeah

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you see like a picture of a baseball player from back when they were like, ah, here he is

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_04]: A rookie of the year 23. He looks like an accountant in his 50s

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just like who is this guy pop pop eyes canonically 34 years old

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get a start on that. Yeah, I know

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Really fucking been getting him

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's me. You're like, why am I not like pop? I'm older than pop. I haven't achieved as much as

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Iterant sailor pop. I kind of had a child by the time he was my age kind of

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean there was a loose baby. He's sometimes

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh, what is your job? Ah sailor man

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like he's not like doing great

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of cared for a baby

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: A loose baby

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: How can you describe sweepy?

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of just like a baby in play

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's not fucking olive oil's kid either

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's got a girlfriend and there is a baby in the mix

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The baby belongs to neither of us. I thought you were saying sweepy has a girlfriend

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be surprised that guy the things I've heard about sweepy

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no what I was going to say is it is just very funny to think of a 19 year old being like

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: God, I love Heineken. It's so

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good. It's sort of a cool european beer right back when or what?

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know but not even do it with the energy of like

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, can I turn you on to something really cool? Heineken's like the the great beer

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just sort of monologuing to himself looking at this thing not like I love beer

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Not like fucking blood light. He's just like Heineken is just like the most incredible beverage

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a weird guy and you do wonder right like if he like has a penis like it's one of those things

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: We're like, yeah, maybe he's just like

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: A jerky college kid who's a little pretentious or maybe he's like a smooth

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, like I don't I don't totally know

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is the Kalama clock with magic. Absolutely like it snaps changes in him

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: When they're outside her place that night they come up with the plan where it's like i'm going in the closet

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You're staying outside then drive the car home just honk four times before she comes in

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: insane that he

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: P's in her toilet. I know that that needs to happen

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But it never does that for me is the most shocking part of the movie is that he has the audacity

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: To pee in an apartment. He's broken into it's key evidence of him being a dang-ass freak and and also kind of an idiot

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Sloppy as hell. Yes, exactly not the Nancy Drew would not recommend right the hardy boys

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't go around peeing in random toilets. Does he kick the seat up or does he leave it down?

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me review the tape

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: He obviously then hides in the closet and watches an insanely upsetting thing unfold

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is like a 15 minute and almost feels like I mean it feels

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Interminable while watching it which is by design

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, oh you got what you asked for buddy, you know, like you you know

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You thought you were going to see something titillating or

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like lurid and exciting like a crime movie from the 50s or whatever

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And instead you see just like the most, you know

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Jarring upsetting behavior

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: From an otherwise great guy frank booth, you know, like, you know in public

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not say grica a great podcaster

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing with frank booth is that guy's never chill. I will I will say this out loud

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't have an off switch. Yeah, you don't see frank booth at any point

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like sometimes Tony Soprano is just sitting there being normal

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, like frank booths never just like hey guys, what do you want to do today?

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we like go to the movies sometimes frank throttles down into hysterical crying

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's his

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got range

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like how does this man run a criminal outfit in all he does is scream at everybody and off gas

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's scary and beat people up

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's scary, but he's also like weirdly. I don't know. I'm not harmless

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're he's so vulnerable at so many points where you're like, why doesn't someone just push this guy over?

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like what he's he's so fallible, but like is not I don't know

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird. I wrote down during the whole I mean that the horrific sequence is just like

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Laura Mulvey aneurysm

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like seen because it's it's horrible

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But it feels like there is intent behind the horribleness. I I don't know but it's horrible

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate watching it. It's such a watch

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it's arresting obviously you do, you know, I think the lynch is putting you in the closet

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like I want to stop looking at this but also like I'm you know

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm compelled to look at this well and she finds him and his vulnerability is really frightening

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, she finds him before so like she finds him because he's an idiot

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He's spying on her in her underwear having emotionally intense phone conversations the exact level of thing

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He thinks he wants to witness and then she finds him and makes him take his clothes off

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I feel like is probably also something he like has some dark desire right like that she's unlocking here

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and it's like starting to do some frank is here. You're back in the closet and now this horrible assault happens

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing that he is watching it and she knows he's seeing

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole thing does feel I don't I don't know like this is

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The point in the movie where for VI just you're just like oh this whole thing is just like a bad dream

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That is not going to end he can't get out of it. He can't forget it too obviously right

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He can't just be like well that was weird

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No, and what he's basically peers together at this point is that this woman's

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh a husband who is probably the owner of the ear he found

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And her son are being held captive

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh in order to control her into some form of sexual slavery

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like you see like switch again to

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I mean jeffrey's so frustrating and that's why I hate being a jeffrey

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: uh

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: he's

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but like that he has like his his

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Baby boy brain switches to like i'm harry at the spot to like oh i'm a romantic hero

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And i'm going to save you and I definitely have these skills and ability to do so

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's gonna be me. I'm not gonna seek out like the appropriate amount of outside help really

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: outside of uh the detect like outside of another cop like it's just

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. He's he's a mess

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's the other part of this movie that I think made a lot of people uncomfortable in trying to

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: understand the psychology of the dorothy character is it almost feels like she is trying to

[01:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Train him into doing that

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Into thinking that way like she is trying to develop some sort of protector for herself

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because at the end of the day, I do feel like she wants her husband back

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think she's like in love with jeffrey

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's I'm bummed out for honestly. I'm bummed out for sandy at the end

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she's gotten a real raw deal

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Ending up with jeffrey especially and then you and then you hear what's in the cut scenes and you're like sandy's fucked

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: This I feel for sandy her husband's a flop. Yeah, he's a

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But with dorothy. Yeah, I guess it's

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like he needs someone who's fucking fighting for her. He needs an ally. She has nobody

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. She has some control quote unquote over frank in that like he needs her right like so that's how she's surviving

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But obviously he needs her in this depraved way. That's very upsetting

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and right frank is I mean sorry. Uh, jeffrey is at least

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: An uncomplicated hero for her. Well in this like twisted sense of du gutterism he has in his

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: In his mind of what he's

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: What's driving him is something I think she recognizes she could use to her advantage of

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then train him towards my needs and and how to best kind of tackle these guys

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Just like telling on himself. It's just like

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You know because he's you know jeffrey then has this like dual relationship neither which relate like he's dating sandy

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But he's got nothing for her obviously and she's just this like chased object

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, it's like the noir side where yeah, right and then darothy he has this like relationship with that's like completely just you know

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I can use the word over and over again, but like even the the concept of like here's an idea for a movie

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've always wanted to hide in a closet like he's pitching something that is like a penthouse letter, right?

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you won't believe what happened to me. He's also just like pitching like

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Eddipis kind he's just like I've always kind of wanted to fuck my mom. Well, they're like well no kidding

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing he's pitching something that feels like some sort of dark fantasy, right? Some dark unspoken fantasy

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then you're like if that were to play out in reality one of two things would happen

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: basically, right

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: One is

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone finds you and they hit you over the head with a fucking rolled up newspaper a thousand times and they call

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The cops on you and they're like what the fuck are you doing and they kick you out of their apartment

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The second option is something sexual happens in the way you're fantasizing about

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But that happening is probably an extension of their being incredibly complicated fucked up

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: psychosexual dynamics already at play

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And you've now entered into a much darker world which isn't to say a criminal conspiracy

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're like entering into very complicated dynamics that have been built over years and different relationships

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's basically what he finds himself in it's like

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if you want the woman to like discover you in the closet and demand that you take all your clothes off

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And like control you which is clearly this thing he wants

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't just happen to fulfill your fantasy. That is the business end of like 20 years of behavior

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: right there. I I don't know like I

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it like takes me back to the

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like ebert's original criticism of it where it's

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Dorothy's character I can make it make sense in my head. I don't think it intuitively makes

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Sense, I think that's what right people like ebert were bumping up against. It's like what is this character?

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't a real person and does she exist just to serve the movie right?

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: This is this object of torture in the movie. It seems terrible which I which I think because there's a strong case for that

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also I don't know like when i'm

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching door. I mean it's I don't know. I'm glad that david lynch has inspired

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Women to make their own

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: movies inspired by him because

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think all of the yeah everyone in this movie, but it is particularly

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The you know the women are are operating on david lynch dream logic. Yes

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true all the way through his work. Yeah, and

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe particularly egregious in this one, but that that dorothy is I I agree grip it like she's looking

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She desperately needs an ally and it seems like she is

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know in the dreamy hor like she has the world's worst life

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And she is both

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know emotionally desperate for connection and also logistically desperate for an ally and like both of those things are happening at the same time

[01:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and she immediately knows that jeffrey's a mark and that he is like

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: A pervert who needs to be scolded and then you know

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: later

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly like it's like

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a tool. He is in the in the truest sense, which I do think is there's an interesting

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean is deeply uncomfortable and I ask questions of the audience that the movie's not going to answer

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But that are uncomfortable, right of like is she telling him to hit her?

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because to some degree she is trying to

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Use her wiles. Let's say to train him

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: To be menacing enough that he actually could possibly stand up against these guys, right?

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like this is her way to like fucking mr

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Miyagi him and train him to be a great fighter

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But she's trying to like weaponize some darkness in him to bring that a little more to the surface to make him less of

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a weird blank boy

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, or there is just a nature of

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's as

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch's career plays out

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: As he explores these things in many of his films

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It starts to be a thing that people bump on less because they're like he's not using these elements

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wanton Lee these are things that he's clearly interested in

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And like actually psychologically engaging with

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: um, but these like lines in sort of

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Situations of like abuse and assault where wires get like

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Inexplicably crossed between things that are done to you and things that you now need to

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Reclaim and own yeah, which especially like

[01:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like cross over in

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Dreams constantly. Yes. I like why am I having a dream about that? I hate that

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right and like why am I having a dream about watching something horrible and enjoying it?

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that just like all of these like horrible things that you're seeing it feels like oh, I've probably had

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Not not this dream. Yeah, but a dream where I feel guilty for enjoying something horrible

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like it makes sense. I don't know I did

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting no one does it like him

[01:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's horrible to watch and I would understand if no one ever wanted to look at it and thought it was fucking disgusting

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And also I just don't go to David Lynch movies for like an understanding of women's sexuality

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a huge through line in his work for me is that he obviously does not fucking get women's sexuality

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He's exploring that feeling

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He'll never get it. He's almost 80 like he's never gonna understand a

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know a horniness that is not his own

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And beyond that I just always read it as like a somewhat general befuddlement with women period

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the way you look at his relationships and how they have played out across his life

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Where almost every one of his marriages long-term relationships, whatever ends with the woman just being like I throw up my hands

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but there are some horrible blow up or right, right

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're like, yeah, I mean there's no way in with that guy in a way, right?

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And that his response is like I don't know why these women keep marrying me

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I have more tuna and feta cheese? There's nothing we ate that every day for like years

[01:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Snapping crisp bacon and black coffee. I don't know what just happened. I almost went to linda richman. Sorry

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: tuna and feta

[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_01]: excellent separately

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: unbearable to consider together and also just like in combination stinky and punishing forever anyone around

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: When he was on charlie rose our favorite interviewer your favorite interviewer my favorite person

[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's clarify. Yeah, actually wearing a t-shirt with me right now. I saw a couple tattoos. Yes, and you're surrounded by black curtains

[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Slave

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I call my rose garden. He's interrupting someone on your arm

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He's asking their name for the fourth time

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_04]: On camera and the show is called what?

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, he told him I eat tuna tomatoes

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Why feta cheese and olive oil every day for lunch like that was his lunch. That's what fucking rodriberg should have been upset about

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Roger Ebert should have written four pieces about that lunch

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's he should have been struggling with it for 20 years. I just tried the tuna and feta again

[01:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't get it. I understand to some people. I feel the same way about tuna and feta as I did in 1986

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry. I wish I understood. I think the meal is terrible. I feel terrible for isabella rosalini

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I haven't seen Mulholland drive in a couple of years. So I can't speak to it in like a fresh sense, but I feel like what a

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: for all of the

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: horrific violence against

[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Dorothy specifically

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as if he and this feels like a weak argument

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's not as if he is adverse to showing that same to show sexual violence against Kyle McLaughlin too

[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I know is shown worse in cut scenes where it's like explicitly

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_01]: implied that he was

[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: assaulted

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But that in the in blue velvet, I don't think he's at all pretending that he

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: understands

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The women that he's writing. I think like the cheapest writing for

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Any of the women in this movie is when sandy instantly forgives Jeffrey. That's where I'm just like come on

[01:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I she's 17 she's 17

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to like have your mom take Jeffrey to dunk at donuts like you cannot just take this

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Lying down like you don't need to be mature enough to have the conversation, but you got a call and a ringer

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that was the worst writing for women in blue velvet. It's not like he has like

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but those undeniable cool bad boy vibes

[01:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like this guy has become so weird and broken that I think if you're her it's like beyond

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Forgiveness, you're just like I'm weirded out by him. I don't want to be around him anymore

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna go to college. Yeah

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, she should go to college not his college right, but like she's rescued him

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously this is but in the end of the movie everyone is kind of rescued and there's this kind of you know dreamlike like

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, everything's better now. Yeah

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not hard for someone to maybe put on their monocle and look at the movie and be like

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Is everything better now like just because

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We got rid of like a couple bad apples and wilmington, north carolina wherever the fuck we are like

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Lumberton

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's a real lord derma such like a prednis naturally gifted actor at the beginning of her career

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That she was able to help a lot of filmmakers get away with incredibly underwritten characters

[01:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she could take I think the woman in mask is the exact same thing where you're just like

[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of perfectly angelic dream girl who represents some sense of innocence and kindness and whatever

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Is like mass sucks. We agree on this mask

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: sucks

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So hard few movies bum me out more in every sense

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it bums you out because you like the director and this is actually one of his better regarded movies

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's like it's peter brick nanovich, but like it's not it's a sappy shitty movie

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's I just like it's shitty. Does she make the face in

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Mask is this the first my question was is this the first time in her career?

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: She makes the face that's a really good question because she like I was sort of I thought the movie I kind of was like

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget does she and then there she does she saves it and then she makes it for like 30 consecutive

[01:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And and not to be like because I'm pro sandy

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I want her to you know, not and not get stuck with it just feels like watching someone from high school end up with

[01:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Some guy and you're just like, ah, but you're so great. Um, well, I think this is sort of what i'm saying that I feel like she

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Lorde dern was good at taking a character that was sort of underwritten and idealized to serve the other characters

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And the story or whatever the fuck

[01:55:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And playing it in a way where you're like, I know this type of girl

[01:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she could single-handedly make it into the real version of that person

[01:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: In a way that elevated a lot of people's material

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Because unfortunately sandy is being kind of unreasonable and that like I even understand why she feels so betrayed

[01:56:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Dorothy is also being unbelievably

[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird and like david lynch wish fulfillment dialogue where she's like you're what is like you're you're

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Not your peepee is inside me. Your poison is inside me. You're whatever's inside me

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and you know, it's just is standing in her living room naked

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like sandy you are cheating on your boyfriend also like let's say there there's faults on both sides

[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Not, you know, you're not breaking into apartments and he put his disease in his disease disease

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: weirdly hotline

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of not you like a classic like

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But you have that quote on your facebook page when you're in college when I was in college. Well, okay

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I didn't have an arm just saying like I knew a couple cool people who it's it's also wild that this

[01:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like this is said far too often, but there are only seven years between this and Jurassic park

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And she basically continues to play some version of like a girl or a young woman or someone on the cusp of womanhood

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right up until Jurassic park. Well, and then everyone's like, okay fine

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a grad student. We did it

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess that's sort of what she's doing in wild at heart, but it's also, you know, that's a grown-up

[01:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Version of it. I guess I don't know. Can I ask a question to the group?

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: okay, so a thought I'm having about

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: behavior of

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Dorothy

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And of frank and these other characters something I don't feel like we've touched upon is the drug element

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Right frank is a drug dealer. That is largely what he's doing

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And I you know, this is never answered. Maybe it's in the deleted scenes. I don't know

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But I I always wondered how did Dorothy get involved with frank and I don't want to like blame

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right her but I just I always kind of have this sense. She works at a nightclub

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe her and her husband at some point started buying drugs from him. I mean, I was gonna mean like yeah

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's they're never gonna there's never gonna be an answer to this

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do I sort of think that there's frank has a hold over everyone

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of his access to this the same thing with ben like who is this guy right ben posley

[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately he just asked a question david we're like, what is this?

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_04]: What's this like lair and who is this person like and it's like it does feel like it's another frank's like thralls, right?

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the answer is it is some connection through the nightclub

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not one or both of them at some point got involved in the drugs themselves

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Frank is absolutely the kind of guy who would have some very deep relationship with whoever was owning or running that club

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: No question. He was around frank also just like kind of has a deep relationship with everybody in that he's so intense

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That like if he's talking to you, you're like freaking out and he's like

[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, and you're just you're you're in it. He's not avoid I I was almost thinking if this is like maybe a poor comp

[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but I was thinking about like

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Jennifer tillie's relationship to joey pants and bound

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: where you're just like she's kind of like she's uh

[01:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Collateral being underestimated with this person right? Yeah, she's being treated like collateral

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's a person and she's like going to navigate her way out of it

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah on top of the the molly sims quote that will forever ring in my ears

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the other thing I kept thinking about while watching this movie is I feel like he says versions of this all the time

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But mark maren always says when people ask him like

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think so many comedians become drug addicts or have like addiction problems or whatever?

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That his response is like that's everyone

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you you frame this as like well, there are a lot of notable examples of comedians

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's like do you realize how many like construction workers have drug?

[01:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Examples of people sure right addiction and in the same way it's like hollywood. There's so much perversion and it's like

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They made years of like to catch a predator and they'd go to any random town

[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And people would not stop driving up to that house, you know

[02:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is like the kind of thing this movie is about which is like you could basically go into any town

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And unmask some low level crime ring

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There is almost always going to be in a town like this. Maybe not as colorful

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Some frank type figure and some horrible things going on around that guy

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Even in just a town that doesn't feel like well

[02:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: This is obviously a bad town or a bad part of town or whatever

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like you're never too far from

[02:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone who is selling drugs because you're never too far from people who desperately want to be on drugs all the time

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And that person is always going to have this weird web

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to use this as an opportunity to step over to ben

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Not hozzly the character in this film, which I do feel like in a lot of ways is like the pinnacle of the movie

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Where I think people go like

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Either this guy has just transcended to a plane that no one has ever hit before

[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Or the people who are out on this movie are like now he's just fucking jerking off now

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just doing weird shit

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But the notion of like

[02:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopper coming in kind of like trying to bigfoot

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Come a glocklin and just be like oh you want to live in this like crazy world. Let's do crazy shit

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I got jack nance and fucking chucky with me

[02:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: My posse is me a racer head and chucky

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's fucking have a night on the town

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get in the car and go as fast as the car goes

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's like you're my crazy guys. You know who's the craziest guy? I know ben

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna love him. He's fucking splendid and you're talking up this this exquisite guy ben and you're just

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck could ben be? Yeah, and then to be introduced to like this very like poised

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Delicate

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: classy like sort of like lizard like

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Dean Stockwell caked in like makeup

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome singing into a light bulb

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Holding a cigarette holder

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you know, yeah wearing like a big smoking jacket

[02:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's this absolute zag from the movie where you're like somehow this guy has now become the scariest character in the entire film

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's the most dangerous character in the film

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but he is scary because this is where these this kid is being imprisoned basically

[02:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's terrifying because he's so nonchalant and he's he's like a weird

[02:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Animatronic this guy. Why is frank friends with him when he punches kyle? Yes, you're like, oh wow

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: This guy is actually also really scary. Like I feel like that's a moment where it really turns and you're like, okay, wait

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Why are all these people living here?

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They're they're keeping the kid hostage here. Like what is this situation?

[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I guess almost glad david lynch did not like attempt

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: To help us understand what the women on the fringes of this room were thinking

[02:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like how they get brought into this

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's other people there and they're they're you know, like

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly fearing retaliation. They're not going to come to this kid's rescue

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I want their uh, rosen kranz and gilden sternard

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Or just like, I don't know the fuck like what's their deal? Yeah, how are they stuck here?

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You want a ben's place to come? Well, is this town so boring that it's like, what do we do tonight?

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Do we go to the bar? I hate the bar. Do we you know do you want to go hanging out at ben's?

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just always such a weird

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the fucking drugs though, man. No, if you get if you get involved in these scenes

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And you get really hang out with the awful people

[02:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you really do end up just trapped and once again, it's the every town basically has some

[02:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Guys we have to stop at all like this is a realistic

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It is it's real I've seen it myself guys. I have any of us ever done drugs there

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I have been

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Beyond I have definitely never hung out with Ben

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I've got this and that

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been hung out with this Ben. I just caught you dead to right

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say, you know, I

[02:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I've you're just like a boring guy talking to you. Not someone who's like, hey, can I do my royal orbs?

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely had moments in my 20s where I've hung out with a scene of people where we were all extremely high

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: On goofballs. What?

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Did goofballs? I did what is in them one. I still don't know anything

[02:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They're a little uh, they're shaped like goofy's head obviously

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. Yeah, uh-huh

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, girlfriend be quiet for a second while I speak I David sims. I'm now speaking to tell you

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: About I don't know. I feel ripped off all the time when I'm online shopping

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I get sort of wooed in by something or other

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: some new gadget

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: That uh looks very fancy and ends up a very low quality

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh getting ripped off sucks

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Um

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like a classic place that happens is this is a shaving industry

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Where there's these super fancy

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Doohickeys that you can end up buying

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: That don't really perform very well or aren't really well made and Harry's the guys at Harry's saw

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: customers getting taken advantage of by the shaving industry with

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: overpriced

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[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry sent me

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: nice fancy razor with a nice

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: ergonomic handle

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I got the

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Truman set

[02:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I assume is that an homage to

[02:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: The 1940s president Harry Truman, right?

[02:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about that, but it's got this no slip grip

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's got a weighted core and it's got three

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: German engineered blade cartridges with a flex hinge and a lubricating strip

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a very fancy razor that like really feels

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: weighty in your hands

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You get a foaming shave gel for rich lather

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: With this kit you get a travel cover. You get blades that are designed for your face

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[02:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That's half of what you're going to pay at the other big brands

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can get

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[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I've definitely been hanging around with really scary people being extremely intoxicated and like the way that everyone's acting

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like it's so dreamlike and it's so scary and it's not like a specific drug

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's not like you can define it as like they're all on like uppers or they're all on acid

[02:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's just this vague scary medicine kind of

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've I can I'm so fucked up. I can go really far

[02:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I am not a drug person

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I have had nights where like in my 20s where I was like

[02:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I ended up in this room and I don't know if I die here or if this is just goofy

[02:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What you're saying of just being like everything that's happening here is not presented as being dangerous

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But the vibes are horrible and I don't know any of these people and I don't know why I'm here

[02:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The closest that I've ever gotten to that feeling because I was like trying to search for it

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like not with the threat of violence, but with the like oh, I can't leave is like

[02:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: In like one I don't know sometime in the back half of the 2010s

[02:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: agreeing to do a random guys podcast

[02:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Taking three buses to like deep north Hollywood

[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: For no money and then realizing that I was going to the guy's house

[02:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Recording in his bedroom and the topic of the podcast was the worst thing that's ever happened to you

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're just like oh my god

[02:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like and it was clear that it was like I was not leaving

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: This apartment until I told this guy the worst thing that it like or it was just like the I don't know

[02:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like remember when there were podcasts that were just like

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: traumatic

[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Sharing in like a most insane way

[02:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's copy kind of making it weird if you will yeah, just making it a little bit weird except like what the fuck vibes

[02:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But like what if that person was nobody

[02:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They just message you

[02:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: She was just a kid no, I was like 20 I was like 24

[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I don't know. I was like wow. This is a great opportunity in Los Angeles, California

[02:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: This guy has an address in Los Angeles, California. That is the city of dreams. He's in the know-how arts district

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: down there

[02:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: but just yeah, like a feeling of a full hostage situation with

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody, you know or like or I feel like it's even scarier to be in a room with

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: One person you kind of know yes, and you and you know them well enough

[02:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But like you don't know ended up here right

[02:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not well enough to not be sure that they would

[02:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like not let someone side right and be like what can I get out of here?

[02:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's always what it was for me of like I thought I knew this person pretty well

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and now in this context. I'm questioning whether I know this person

[02:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: To me the scariest thing was always being in a car with someone like that which happened to me a couple times

[02:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Where suddenly you realize like this person is driving

[02:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually don't know them very well

[02:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They're driving in a crazy way and I can't get out of this like at least in a house you usually

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess there's this sort of pre-uber era where you're kind of like what if I like

[02:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to go and I don't know where the fuck I am

[02:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but uh, yeah, I think with ben to bring it back to blue velvet

[02:10:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he's also he is like he's effeminate and like kind of you know, he's got this kind of like

[02:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Queer vibe to him right that is I do feel part of the frank

[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Thing that is specific like frank is not this

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Ultramasculine terror

[02:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He's this odd

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: sensitive poetic terror

[02:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Like lynch is saying and ben clearly like awakens the same feelings in him right like that's what he's seeking

[02:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Is some weird like transcendent emotion

[02:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: What's also so much and it's very interesting to see lynch kind of like, you know poke at that not too

[02:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so much about our friend chris gethard and

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: His scared straight story that has been part of his specials and albums and books at different points in time

[02:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he went and participated in the scared straight program in high school

[02:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And all the tough guys were like just fucking wait until you meet crazy chris

[02:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And crazy chris came out and he was like 60 pounds and like seemed fairly a feat

[02:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was the feeling of like if these guys are scared of this guy

[02:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, well, he must be this guy has just become the scariest guy in the world because everything I assume culturally is that those guys would beat the

[02:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit out of this guy and instead they're all powering in relation to him where you're like, right

[02:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some power dynamic within ben

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's the exact kind of guy you think that like fucking brad durup would be punching and he's not

[02:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That seemed like on paper. You're just

[02:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is happening? This is ridiculous

[02:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but we all have been in a room that feels like this room. It's awesome

[02:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It is kind of the coolest

[02:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The big news that I have to tell you guys is that bulldog and gill will be returning to frazier for season two on paramount

[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, they got them. Wait, did you just get that news? Yes? I just got

[02:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just got that wait. Sorry. I'm colleagues at the university. Wait jay me. What happened

[02:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I just got I've been sitting on this for 10 minutes

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and I I know I've been checking my if it's that bulldog and gill have joined frazier

[02:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I did David didn't fact break that story

[02:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That is really it. I am so thrilled they got a season two

[02:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Funny to me that they didn't get them for season

[02:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Where those guys busy they were there's no way they're busy. I got

[02:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten three texts all the same new york post article joey chestnut is out of 2024 nathans hot dog eating contest in beef over vegan

[02:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I also got this news use of the word and I was worried about bringing it up in front of you because I felt

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like it's like this is too much for jay me to handle right now

[02:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I signed a deal with impossible. I think it's a brilliant move. I think it's a brilliant move. I love joey

[02:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been saying this. I don't want him to unfollow me on instagram. I love the man

[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's an incredible the occasional slide with jerry. Oh, legend. It's gonna. It's gonna happen for me some day

[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I think it's a brilliant move. I think that everyone needs to just get out of

[02:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The contest like right like the contest has become kind of like

[02:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They're too big for it in a way like it's like this petty dictator thing

[02:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he can make more money outside of the contest because before I think his only sponsorships right now

[02:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Are pistachio nuts and dude wipes and you're like he can dude wipes is an amazing fit because he's a messy boy

[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's also such a fucking successful company. It drives me insane

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild it drives me insane that it worked. I don't know how it works. They were on on shark tank. I saw the pitch

[02:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right. Yes, and everyone else is like so it's just baby wipes and they put food on the packaging

[02:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean they reek. Have you ever have you ever taken away from the dude wipe?

[02:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was one of those examples where everyone else is like this is silly and cuban is sitting there silently

[02:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I totally get it. You guys are brilliant. I'm offering 80 million dollars for 1%

[02:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like the fuck are you talking about and then he wrote it all the way to the bank

[02:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it worked and joey chestnut is one of our nation's messiest boys

[02:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: They wanted a sense. So he knew I don't really see how pistachios come into it

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean go off joey obviously is the beef

[02:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: As it were uh-huh that chestnut wanted to be able to use impossible francs in the competition and they said no

[02:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So he bowed out

[02:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That is I believe that's it. Yes. Yeah, because it's a Nathan. He's like

[02:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I am now bound to eating these kinds of francs and Nathan's just like we have to eat napkins

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like then I can't do it but right jamie. I think is suggesting maybe he was looking for a way out

[02:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that is it. Yeah, I think it's a smart way for joey to bow out

[02:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you know, it's it it my insider opinion

[02:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's unlikely he will top his record of 76

[02:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, so he should just take the money and run bigger than them at this point anyway

[02:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he is the hot dog eating and he can I think it's like yoshi retired. Kobayashi retired

[02:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He I still he loves justice. We love Kobayashi

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I hope he's enjoying his retirement and I like that joey is in his like vegan

[02:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Era, I feel like that just challenges who who did we think joey was, you know, there's going to be backlash for joey

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's when it actually has power to change the conversation. I know he's a powerful man

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's like examine masculinity in new ways. I'm sorry that I just compared joey chestnut to ben and franken

[02:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: No, they're similar blue velvet

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. I just want to throw out that um

[02:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Bulldog and gill of course aren't the only major additions. No, I mean peri gilfin already announced

[02:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Is back as well, but then here's the thing I didn't know career grammar is being added to the cast this season as rosa's daughter

[02:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Hall's a helsey grammars daughter who I'll say it looks a lot like helsey grammar

[02:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Is playing not his daughter on the show is just going to be in scenes with him

[02:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: With his face

[02:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's a very pretty woman

[02:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it is similar to old dogs where travolta keeps pointing to this daughter who looks exactly like him

[02:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And saying hey, revan williams. What's the deal with your fucking daughter?

[02:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, I need to look up

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Greer greer grammar. She looks like helsey grammar. Good name. It's a good name greer

[02:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I just always think it's weird when a celebrity casts their child to play not their child

[02:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She's not the one you know what?

[02:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You're right. She's the one who looks so much like yeah, I was gonna say it's spencer grammar who has more of a

[02:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Kelsey grammar

[02:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I still think it's weird. I I just am like they got gill and boltok. Okay, they got them

[02:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's thrilling. Sorry. Uh, I haven't watched a single second of the mean either. I'm plus three boot of phraser

[02:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. Should I I've seen it at least five out of 10

[02:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And you gave it

[02:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe I generously yeah, they're back in boston

[02:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But cheers have closed in boston

[02:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They go out of their way to go like cheers now I fucking place close forever ago

[02:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That had to have been a financial dispute because the bar. They're at fucking sucks. Yeah, it's uh, yeah

[02:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He's said at a bar

[02:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Paramount plus is like set in boston at bar the cheers bar. What are you fucking kidding?

[02:17:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what's that would cost us that we have to start giving residuals to everybody and all

[02:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: supporting characters

[02:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[02:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Except for season two. Okay. Okay. I think and you know, no, you're right

[02:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the kind of movie where people get mad of us if we continue on this

[02:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think anytime we do an episode on a movie and end up talking for 20 minutes about an unrelated sitcom people are thrilled

[02:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, people there's a story of that of this specific thing. Yes

[02:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Being very well, okay. So in the movie we left off where we meet ben

[02:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He sings the song and then they go to a lumberyard

[02:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: David linch movies are so fun to just lay out narratively frank covers himself with lipstick

[02:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Kisses kyle a bunch and then beats the shit out of them. Sure

[02:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously frank's relationship to everyone is like domination and submission, right?

[02:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He just like keeps flicking between like daddy and baby

[02:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And so like he wants to come in and beat the shit out of you

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Then he wants to like chew on blue velvet and cry while you sing to him or whatever

[02:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: the drum

[02:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[02:18:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's this right. He's this like endless nightmare, but yes, what do you guys make that down as what I'm looking for in my dating profile

[02:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The way you just worded it

[02:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure go ahead

[02:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know all of this is great. I mean, but it's just it's this feeling of like, yeah

[02:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy going deeper and deeper and deeper into a thing

[02:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That he's never going to be able to come out of not even because he can't escape these people

[02:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like you now know shit. You can't unknown. Yeah. Yeah, he said like I mean he's a fruity and fucking nightmare

[02:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he can't stop screaming

[02:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He needs to do hallucinogenics in order to get access to want to

[02:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Be baby who wants mommy because he's too ashamed to be a baby who wants mommy without

[02:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Without his little mask

[02:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you like, yeah, this is like everyone the other part of him wants to be daddy to a teenager. Yeah, right?

[02:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a complicated man. He's got he's got range. They're yeah in in the it's like

[02:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically in the space of uh

[02:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Dorothy's apartment. It's just like the Freud zone like you're just exploring

[02:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like all of your most disgusting like edipal feelings

[02:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: In this one kind of crusty room this room that feels like it has carpeted walls

[02:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of that apartment in north hollywood or I had to say the worst thing that ever happened to me

[02:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And even I just love there's something about like how well lit and sort of like tiled the kitchen is as this

[02:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Offshoot and then the rest of the room just feels like a dressing room

[02:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like her apartment

[02:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Feels like a backstage area. Yeah, I mean it's just yeah, I mean it's like

[02:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Having like a knife held to his dick is clearly something that excites him

[02:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That we're going backwards though. We don't need to go back

[02:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But like it's just like the Freudian right the Freudian zone

[02:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: The thing that's and but then immediately it's like no now you're a baby and you have to go hide like and like run around naked

[02:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Which feels like

[02:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, like nightmare shit dream shit like oh god suddenly I'm naked like suddenly I'm like unprotected anyway

[02:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like it's I don't know Frank is funny because he's like there's

[02:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's nuts

[02:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also like coherent enough that you're like, okay, David Lynch actually sort of does

[02:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Have a coherent idea of who this guy is and then if you try to like apply that same logic to Dorothy

[02:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The takeaway is like, I don't know like he has no idea

[02:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like frank feels weirdly

[02:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: uh, like I mean obviously

[02:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: deviant but like

[02:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was more. I don't know like rewatch. I was like it's more coherent like you're just like

[02:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's more coherent than I remembered it. I would agree with that

[02:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I have had that feeling rewatching each of these four of the podcasts

[02:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I was saying right before we started recording

[02:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That like each of these movies has played more

[02:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Coherent I don't want to say traditional this movie is more straightforward than maybe straight forward. Yes

[02:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It at least in terms of the story it tells and the way that it moves

[02:21:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously there's stuff like the in dreams sequence where like you say some people are probably standing up in the theater and being like

[02:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: this is silly like

[02:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: um, but

[02:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: There's even yeah this discovery, you know the twist that comes is like the guy in the yellow jacket works for frank

[02:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a cop

[02:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He steals drugs and gives them to frank to sell and like, you know keeps rival drug dealers at bay or whatever

[02:21:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he has a guy inside someone that steals drugs. He's a really bad guy. It's bad guy

[02:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't think it's good. I think it's quite bad

[02:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh, I don't think it's good right and then damn it's good. The guy who did goofballs

[02:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what means a lot coming from hazzly

[02:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's when you know, you're with some when you're with the goof troop

[02:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You're like looking around and you're like, oh, who am I in a car with pj?

[02:22:10] Um

[02:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's the sequence we referenced earlier where it sort of all comes to a head like uh, like frank like

[02:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You know chases them down

[02:22:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But then it's like sandy's ex-boyfriend is there and then like d'arthy just like appears naked when beaten to hell

[02:22:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and mike like runs away

[02:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And like it kind of feels like everything right like like the evil world is like coming into the normal world, right?

[02:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you know, it's not like uh divided anymore made sense to me

[02:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we've talked about before but this feels like one of those historic examples of someone getting an oscar nomination for another movie

[02:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's feeling a little unspoken that it's like we all know this is like kind of a blue velvet nomination

[02:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It was both it was

[02:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you seen hooshers?

[02:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I have yeah, yeah

[02:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't say this was any

[02:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's the thing about hooshers. I think that spoke to people is rather than playing like an ether huffing psychopath

[02:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. He's playing a guy who's getting over alcohol happening with him one year felt like what a perfect sort of here is modern

[02:23:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Dennis hopper right, but it's also it's about a guy drying out

[02:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know then personal narrative of that was cool to people

[02:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hoosiers, right? Have you seen hoosiers? I think you've seen hoosiers

[02:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking I mean, I'm a big

[02:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Anzba guy

[02:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Is my jam

[02:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Rudy to me. I like hoosiers for being less cheesy than rudy. I mean, but I get it, you know

[02:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Check your height again. How tall are you?

[02:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: That's some real fucking six

[02:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I like the basketball movie

[02:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but hoosiers just the start of that movie where it's just like it's five in the morning

[02:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just gene hackman in a farmhouse and there's like dew on the grass

[02:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's just like every all you guys just start passing the ball to each other and you're just like

[02:23:51] [SPEAKER_04]: God, this is someone's idea of America. Like you know what I mean? Like it's just like so fucking exciting

[02:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, even if it doesn't exist, um, hopper amazing in that but yeah, he got the dual nod. Yeah. Yeah

[02:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, this movie was nominated just for best director, right? Yeah, it was another loan

[02:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: It happened to lynch twice. I think yeah, because it happens with a mohawk drive too. But anyway

[02:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: What else happens? Um

[02:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of the movie

[02:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously sandy like dumps jeffrey realizing that he's basically been cheating on her with darthie my secret lover

[02:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're also you're like sandy. You've been what what of mike not that i'm rooting for mike

[02:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's been cheating on mike the whole damn movie. I feel bad. Mike said, well, I don't feel bad for mike

[02:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Stinks for mike, but I do I do appreciate that mike is

[02:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Revealed to be a cowardly 17 year old boy that scans

[02:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know sure it's not like he should have been heroic. Yeah in the end

[02:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, he's a flop but so is jeffrey. I think that like sandy is in the process of

[02:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's like a teenage

[02:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: girl she's not realized that uh, there's more than one kind of guy who sucks

[02:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just she's realizing the first maybe this is like her first boyfriend

[02:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, this guy is kind of boring

[02:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of possessive. He sucks. I gotta move on

[02:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So what about a guy in a jacket and you're like, no the guy in the jacket also sucks

[02:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But I understand your instinct but give it a couple years. He sucks as well, you know, so it's just I I get it

[02:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: She's she's she's figuring it out and understand the the range the tapestry at least she's not dating a guy in a yellow jacket

[02:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Or the well-dressed man, which is of course, uh frank wearing insane eyebrows

[02:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Looking insane

[02:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, that is I feel like that is often cited to me when I was learning about this movie

[02:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the big scary shot is when you see

[02:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Dennis Hoffer in the wig

[02:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh through down the stairwell. Uh-huh and people

[02:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Related that to me is like it's really unnerving like in that kind of classic Lynch way

[02:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I see it as more goofy same, but I get it

[02:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the the bend lip syncing one is is the you know, he'll often have this sort of like totemic power shot

[02:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean even like the

[02:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Look of Robert Blake and lost highway or whatever

[02:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby peruse a slightly more comical version of it

[02:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like his movie is almost always have this one villain who is simultaneously like goofy and upsetting looking

[02:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I also like that just I know that like drugs are I don't know. I guess like on jimmy

[02:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you like drugs or not? Let's just lay it out

[02:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Are really interesting. I could name at least five of them hell. Yeah

[02:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I I feel like in different

[02:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Number one goofballs number two

[02:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Wean the kind of that makes you cry. Yeah, um number three weed gummies does that count as a different drug?

[02:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, number four ad-ville

[02:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I've reprofined the hard stuff

[02:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. I get I get the liquid tabs that stuff goes really fast hit me with some p.m

[02:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And a little bit my friends had a roll going. Uh, laxated

[02:26:57] Yes

[02:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But like the drugs are like

[02:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that like they're they are important sort of but they're also just like a thing to make to make the guys bad

[02:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Which also feels like dream logic. You don't know what the drug is. You don't know where it's coming from

[02:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know who is really in charge of the drugs

[02:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You just know that they need to be there in order for them to have this much power and control over people

[02:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Frank's tank

[02:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Is like at sometimes it feels like this is the one thing that's like taking the pain away from him

[02:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Other times it feels like is this shit making him go turbo?

[02:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it him like banning up?

[02:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like you're like is he addicted to this?

[02:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like the thing that takes the edge off or is this the thing that makes him like level up?

[02:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's at times all three

[02:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the scariest way to do drugs

[02:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It is yeah with a little uh dentist mask. It's I mean it's all it's the scariest, but it's the coolest fast most yeah

[02:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Impractical

[02:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Carrying your drugs around like that. That's why you got a grip of boys with you. Yeah, you get chucky in there boys

[02:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You have like a cat a caddy for

[02:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Your freaky drug. It's my drug caddy. That's actually good. I like that

[02:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[02:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the the final thing the sort of nightmarish thing in the apartment where there are all these like standing dead men

[02:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know like that that's like to me the most freaky

[02:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of

[02:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Image of the final bit of everyone's just nodding at me. Yeah, honestly. I like that I know what you say about this

[02:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: At that point. I'm just like well, I don't know you're just like well, that's

[02:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He would that's when I see that shot

[02:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like he would he would he would have this shot and it would be confusing

[02:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know. I maybe I'm like being

[02:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: too

[02:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Something by not I wasn't like super shocked by it because it just seemed like well. Yeah, that would be in a David Lynch movie

[02:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. We're getting towards the end. He's got to get this kind of stuff in

[02:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's burning daylight

[02:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a big news update

[02:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Is bulldog now? They lost bulldog

[02:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They thought I had him uh glen Powell has acknowledged that in fact

[02:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: This story about the cannibal

[02:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: massage lotion may have been an urban legend

[02:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He has revealed it in the sense of I can't believe I fell for it all this time

[02:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Me can you imagine the handsome star of anyone but you glen Powell props to my little sister's friend

[02:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Has he yet acknowledged that he is the one who demanded that someone show urethra in anyone but you because of

[02:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Market research he conducted jimmy. Have you seen anyone but you I haven't yet, but I'm going on a plane next week

[02:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the place to watch it. You're gonna see that p-hole on a foreign

[02:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: See that there is a direct close-up shot of a man's urethra in that film that glen Powell insisted on

[02:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I just like to imagine him being like I got two ideas sydney sweeney and uh p-hole

[02:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: For us it it we found we find it very important to talk about on this podcast because much has been discussed of the

[02:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Phenomena of that movie. Okay, and people do not acknowledge that there's a straight up film in which a deep supporting character

[02:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Holds his penis straight up to the lens head on and shows you his p-hole his penis his penis

[02:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Pinos, um, there's also koala business and I'll leave it at that. Okay. Okay. Just setting australian

[02:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there has to be a little koala. I don't know anything about this damn movie. Yeah. I genuinely wasn't like i'm flying jet blue

[02:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go nuts. I'm gonna watch

[02:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a jonathan demmy like silence of a lamstech shot where you're like it's looking at me

[02:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I also I mean that's like, um, I was really late to see anatomy of a fall and I was shocked that I didn't yet know about like the

[02:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Calypso big pimpy. Yeah, like that's some real dreamy cautious

[02:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like I would have seen this movie opening weekend had I known but almost kind of like

[02:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice that the culture rallied around and was like we just have to make sure no one spoils this for drainy

[02:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Let her get to this movie on her own time. So surprised

[02:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She hates reading at the movies, but she's gonna be really feeling like she got like a return on investment over time

[02:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love for my husband to die during a calypso remix

[02:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just so funny that she was like I wanted jollene by dolly parton for that movie

[02:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: That was her choice and then my obvious second choice. Right. Then just someone's like, uh, what a second choice

[02:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know steel drum cover of pimp

[02:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I said big pimping

[02:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I am I said calypso. It's fine. Is there anything else wrong about it?

[02:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: We want to talk about with blue velvet a film we have talked about a lot, but perhaps now ben has me spooked

[02:31:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You know fans will be like you didn't talk about this particular freaky thing the robin

[02:31:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Love that sure the whole vibe summed up here this beautiful image

[02:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's also like kind of frightening and animatronic and off

[02:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: in this way like

[02:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And like maybe someone would watch it and be like well, that was weird that thing's obviously not a bird

[02:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like yeah, bro. That's

[02:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The first time I thought I I I did

[02:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Shout grow up

[02:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Sandy because

[02:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Grow up but then but you know, he's he's he's cooking. He's going somewhere with it

[02:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Going somewhere and I understand why it is beautiful. Um, I just I got 17 year old girls

[02:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They're the best and they're so frustrating because you're like, what are you talking about?

[02:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about yeah go to school like relax

[02:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this movie is really I don't know. I I didn't fully understand

[02:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly where this fell in david lynch's filmography and it feels like it's just it's an uplifting story of like

[02:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You should have let me do whatever the fuck I wanted the whole time

[02:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I will make something near perfect if you just leave me alone

[02:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then this there's such a straight line from this to twin peak season one, which is his biggest commercial success

[02:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Let right. Let me finish out the dossier in fact with that right, you know

[02:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He says dino was making 13 films at the time. This was being made they were lowest on the totem pole

[02:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So he really just did not check on them

[02:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently on the first day the dailies looked weird because the lens had broken dino called and was like, why is it so dark?

[02:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were like the lens is broken. He was like, okay

[02:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I left the phone and they basically didn't get checked in

[02:33:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, just let dino's like I have a note. I couldn't see the movie

[02:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: too dark

[02:33:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Frederick elms shot the film obviously

[02:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was a crazy movie to shoot because it is largely at night

[02:33:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And like it was just like a pain. He asked to light

[02:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, especially on no, um

[02:33:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And he filmed it all in uh, womington south carol

[02:33:43] [SPEAKER_04]: North carolina which is the word de g had a studio. Yes, I think people know this but uh, just for people who don't maybe uh, he lynch wanted

[02:33:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben to be lip syncing to crying which is different a wonderful roya orbunth song which of course he uses

[02:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: in mohan drive

[02:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And um, then they switched

[02:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh to um in dreams which makes sense

[02:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Um because it's good. Oh sure. That's an interesting take on it david, you know

[02:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was going to use a table lamp as a microphone and

[02:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Instead dean stockwell like picked up this work light that was hanging on the wall and like flipped it around like a microphone

[02:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and they were like

[02:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: That rocks like and you provide your own lighting you saved us some time and set up

[02:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Rosselini, you know learn to sing blue velvet. I mean look there's a lot of stuff in here

[02:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh the score about alamenti amazing score. They recorded it in prog

[02:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a lynchian score if you ask me

[02:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think is it is uh, what are the top three there? It's lynchian

[02:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh that people use wrong all the time kafka esk. Yeah gaslighting

[02:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right when you get a direct line from isabel irisly needed to gaslight david. What do you mean? Everyone uses that word correctly

[02:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing crazy right now? You're the person who's been using it wrong. Yeah, David

[02:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone but you has been using it correctly this entire time of you using it wrong. I didn't write that tweet. Yeah, you did

[02:35:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's your account

[02:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: um or anyone who like uh

[02:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Any bad comedian who just like runs out of ideas and takes their clothes off on stage

[02:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like kind of doing a kafka esk kind of thing, you know, you're just like, uh sure

[02:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Blue velvet controversial from his first preview for previous screening

[02:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just shown to some randos in the valley. Um the reaction was negative. Uh people thought it was disgusting and sick

[02:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting

[02:35:31] [SPEAKER_04]: uh

[02:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But dilarentus believed in the film, uh put it at the world film festival in montreal and then at tiff

[02:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh whatever tiff was called like the festival festivals back then or whatever and then it was released commercially mid september

[02:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is kind of an odd. Yeah, but I don't know where you put this movie exactly

[02:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And it made about a million dollars

[02:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's sort of like doubled its budget kind of and uh got an oscar nomination for best director only

[02:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But one of those movies that had sort of an outsized

[02:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: A cultural impact to how widely it was actually seen at first. Exactly. It just had a long

[02:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: run

[02:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, apparently lynch met

[02:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Elizabeth taylor at the oscars and she said I love blue velvet

[02:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And uh made out with him according to david lynch. I'm not joking

[02:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so kiss kiss him at least well, that's a big difference David. Well, but she says for several minutes

[02:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: With tongue did he specify with tongue?

[02:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: God the world's most beautiful women do love just like a weird guy

[02:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Mack on lynch. It's yeah, it's true. He says he's kissed her several times. Okay fair enough. Okay, um

[02:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Time has obviously been very kind to the film. It's very well regarded

[02:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: today

[02:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And now everyone thinks it's cool and nobody thinks it's weird

[02:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Right

[02:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay. I don't know

[02:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people still think it's weird. I don't know. I've there's like so many

[02:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: case like I there's

[02:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Five trillion essays about it. I read one

[02:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good start. Yeah. Yeah, but it seems like people have found different ends to appreciate those

[02:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like community. It's definitely

[02:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: One of those movies that also makes has only made more sense retroactively as he has built the rest of his canon of work around it

[02:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: totally yeah, yeah

[02:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[02:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: box office game

[02:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: box office game for blue velvet it we're we're gonna do just mid september

[02:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: 1906 griffon what's number one at the box office? It's pretty much the biggest hit of the year

[02:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty much the biggest hit of the year. I'll look up even I know what it is

[02:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what it is. Is it top? I think it's top

[02:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It is I think yeah, that was the number one of the year two only two million more than croc dundee though. Okay

[02:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They were very close paramount

[02:37:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Two huge mountains at the top of the year number two at the box office is one of those movies that it's kind of like the

[02:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Goonies for me where I've never really gotten it

[02:37:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was kind of like a cult classic on release

[02:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That a lot of young people liked of you know gen Xers more like you know

[02:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when it was like presented to me as a teenager is like this is a cult classic

[02:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I say now most fire no that would be just

[02:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Adventures in babysitting or that's it. I've never seen adventures in babysitting

[02:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: We're willing to believe that movie is a fun time. That movie is a lot of fun. Yes

[02:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Where where's the movie on the spectrum? We're creating right now. Is it more teen? Is it more kid?

[02:38:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's about it's a coming-of-age film

[02:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess they're supposed to be kind of they're like about 12 years old in it

[02:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Six uh, it's a director who is on an insane run before not being on an insane run. Jamie

[02:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I stand by me stand by me

[02:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen Rob Reiner stand by we will weaton rafinix

[02:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think a very good film but not one that was ever like transformative for me in that way

[02:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw it right. I think probably with a fair amount of hype at that and I was kind of like

[02:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is okay, you know, I mix it up with the outsiders, which I also haven't seen

[02:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's ours is very good. You're seeing rumble fish. No rumble fish. You would love jay

[02:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah

[02:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on rumble fish is like german expressionist greaser boy movie. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Yeah, the fish looks very cool

[02:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like fucking huge black and white shadows of night fights in alleyways

[02:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: This is where couple was just addicted to not making more normal movies even when he's like i'll do this

[02:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: When he was actually addicted to losing money. Yes, right

[02:39:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Number three at the box office is a sequel to a big hit

[02:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh

[02:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: This is a franchise you often trip up on in the box office game. Uh, it's police academy. Nope

[02:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's another one like that you just always kind of forget about dirty hairy. No

[02:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I all

[02:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like dirty hairy is the one I always forget. It's more kid focused. It's more kid focused

[02:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: In 1986 it's a part two the karate kid karate

[02:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you always you always kind of you're always like it's like the last franchise you think of in the 80s

[02:39:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like maybe we've had a couple karate kids or you're like, it's like me out. Sorry. No, it's fine

[02:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Jamie did a good job number four at the box office one of the great films in 1986

[02:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a horror film. It's a horror film of 1986 full lynchie and if you ask me really no, but it's like what

[02:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean sort of it's a director whose name is also put with an e and to just describe

[02:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[02:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of shit

[02:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he is kind of it's is the core number. Is it the fly? Yeah, one of my favorites. Yeah

[02:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, great movie for freaks. Yeah

[02:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Number five is a movie I've never seen and a movie that is has a very similar birthing process to lynch's

[02:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Elephant man

[02:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's steward cornfell bringing this guy in weirdo to mel brooks and being like we can

[02:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: match him with this material

[02:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe find a vehicle that's slightly more commercial but fits into all of their sensibilities

[02:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[02:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: obsessions

[02:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Number five. I feel like we've talked about this before a bit of a flop

[02:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a young comic star and an old comic star the old comic starts his final film role

[02:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's nothing in common. Yes with tom hanks and jackie glissen everybody's favorite pair. Do you know this movie?

[02:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We've told the story before but we are on our trivia team our old trivia team of ideology

[02:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: bar in williamsburg

[02:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And this movie came up and I was like, oh my god. I can see the poster

[02:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's fucking jackie glissen with a cigar

[02:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it and what's the title? He's old. He's young come on

[02:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty much it

[02:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew this was the movie and I couldn't remember the title. Yeah, it's pretty boring generic

[02:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not nothing but trouble

[02:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it's nothing but nothing but and I was looking and I couldn't pull the fucking title

[02:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I looked over at our friend common who used to play in our team

[02:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Whose name was k a m e n. Yes, and I was like it's nothing in common

[02:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow

[02:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And his name was what made me get the title

[02:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course we all remember that victory that week when we won trivia and has gone down in history

[02:41:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The rest of the top 10 we've got uh

[02:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: aliens

[02:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Good movie pretty fucking good movie ruthless people part of the you know tibito apex

[02:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And and the zazz yep. Yeah, sucker abraham zucker

[02:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Little movie about someone going back to school

[02:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Which one rodney? Oh back to school the movie. Okay. Yeah

[02:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh a film I don't know the men's club. Oh boy. No idea what that is couldn't have that today

[02:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh looks like it's okay

[02:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. It's a peter medak movie. Okay starring

[02:42:32] [SPEAKER_04]: uh

[02:42:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Harvey keitel and

[02:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Richard jordan but then and roi shiders in this

[02:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But then this is the tight. This is the poster the poster is just jennifer jason lee jennifer jason lee looking honestly like a stone cold babe

[02:42:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't really credit it in the role of tindsay

[02:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, uh, I don't know much about this movie. Do you know anything here?

[02:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I never heard of this. I'm vaguely astonished by this thing. Yeah

[02:42:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh

[02:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's based on a novel a band of friends going to drunken all night spree spending a night in a high class brothel

[02:43:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It is famed for keitel's assertive denial of masturbation

[02:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What the well now I have to watch it to find out what the hell that means

[02:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Number 10 of the box office is ferris bueller's day off. Okay. Yeah

[02:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the movie I don't like

[02:43:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You're one of those apart from jennifer jennifer gray. Show me her. Mommy. She's incredible in it. That's what i'm saying

[02:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how you feel about ferris? I don't care about him

[02:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about the camera

[02:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone in school is crazy about them the american weaves the burnouts the weirdos

[02:43:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care about him either. Okay. I don't care about him. You did nothing

[02:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Torp

[02:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm kind of like but yeah, it is. I mean I get it. It's kind of the point

[02:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of the point. Why am I hanging out with this dude?

[02:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to pee so we should end the podcast and we've also we've done a good chunk of time

[02:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did great. We did good. We did good. I think we did good. Yeah

[02:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The bad sign and the fucking podcast let's fucking do it

[02:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That man's wearing a blanket

[02:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We got too cold

[02:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, yes, uh griffin jayme. I think jayme

[02:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: David

[02:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for being here jayme. I love being here guys jayme was really awesome dude that you uh were in person with us, obviously

[02:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's always great. It's it's always the best hot dog season

[02:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hot dog season. You were it was nice to be with friends when I got the news

[02:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's about Joey Chesna

[02:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Sold out to the woke mob and yeah, I have to leave and write a column about it

[02:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right away. It felt meaningful to get to witness you processing that in real time. Yeah. Yeah

[02:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: People should listen to 16th minute of fame. Hey, please do. I love it so much. It's so good. Thank you

[02:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're all of your other work, of course

[02:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but this is the new show. This is the new guy. Yeah, you were such an incredible interview and it is

[02:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I was getting at this earlier

[02:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But the thing that makes it unique beyond just the premise

[02:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that people can't rip off is the way that you interact with your subjects from a place of real

[02:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: interest and compassion and humanity and you're asking questions

[02:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's uh, no no hack could just do cynically

[02:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks

[02:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's it's the ethos of the show is actually who are these people once we

[02:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Leave them behind and the best version of that show can only be done by someone

[02:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is actually interested in people in a way you are. Thank you so much. It's really great. I recommend it highly

[02:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think you're funny

[02:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to think of like the the dumb version of the compliment after griff being so eloquent. It's a really great show

[02:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that's so kind

[02:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And uh, and eat eat eat some hot dogs eat some hot dogs

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[02:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The god of hot dogs has spoken. Yeah meters over

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[02:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Where we are doing tabletop games

[02:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure that infamous hollywood franchise that we've cobbled together

[02:46:47] [SPEAKER_04]: We're doing movies on tabletop games of course because this episode's coming out

[02:46:51] [SPEAKER_04]: On the 29th and so the next movie of course is weegee weija

[02:46:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Argent of evil

[02:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The good one the good one think of how many movies I said I haven't seen during this and I have seen

[02:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You have seen both one the great american films. I have seen them

[02:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: First one is absolute garbage but uh second one rocks. Yeah, uh tune in next week

[02:47:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Or um, is it that way to second actually because I'm wondering

[02:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What i'm looking at right here. Okay great because you know, there's new movies as well

[02:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I forget look there's there's a fucked up guy who's tiptoeing around the perimeter of our schedule

[02:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not gonna quite be ready

[02:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: For next week's episode drop at the following week a little folly

[02:47:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You think us do a joker episode jayme

[02:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[02:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes

[02:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That is so cruel and unusual and often the distance you might hear a chuckle

[02:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And you go what joke did he just hear?

[02:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't a joke jokes on him. He heard the joke of crime and laughs

[02:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He heard that crime was happening and that's his laugh in the distance

[02:47:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Except this laugh is turning into a song. Maybe we don't do it do it

[02:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe he just does it by himself. We lock him in a room. We're fucking doing it

[02:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I have to be there. Yeah, all right, but you could be like you could be like the therapist

[02:48:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You could be like so you're telling me you watch joker folly. I do a griffin's like and if I did

[02:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not asking the right question

[02:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone in america saw this movie. Why aren't we talking about?

[02:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye

[02:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do as always or whatever and as always

[02:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking rookie tea is coming in two weeks

[02:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I just there's gonna be a lot of yelling so i'm trying to make sure there's no right now. Yeah

[02:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Projectiles there's gonna be a lot of yelling. Yeah, I mean this microphone back a little ready