Bound

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to expect

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] I had this image of you inside of me

[00:00:23] Like a podcast of me

[00:00:25] Okay! I don't remember that

[00:00:28] That's the opening line of the film

[00:00:30] And that's the opening line of a new miniseries

[00:00:33] Crack! You hear that sound?

[00:00:35] Is that us cracking open a new miniseries?

[00:00:37] Yeah, we've cracked it open

[00:00:39] Like a champagne bottle, we crack it open

[00:00:41] And then drink from each half

[00:00:43] I don't remember that

[00:00:45] That's the opening line, they repeat it

[00:00:47] That's the opening narration and it's like an in media res

[00:00:51] And they bring it back later on the phone

[00:00:53] I was trying to find the longer one

[00:00:55] Great, great, look, you know what we're doing great

[00:00:57] We don't need to go into this

[00:00:58] I'm David Sims

[00:00:59] I'm Griffin Newman

[00:01:00] Alright!

[00:01:01] This podcast is called Blank Check with surprise

[00:01:05] Griffin and David

[00:01:06] The two friends

[00:01:07] The two friends, maybe you heard of us

[00:01:10] This is a new miniseries

[00:01:12] Yeah it's our podcast, we talk about movies, talk about directors

[00:01:14] We just finished a big old series on a director

[00:01:18] Pottenight Shanicast

[00:01:19] And now we're gonna do a new one

[00:01:21] The Podchowski casters

[00:01:24] That's what it's called

[00:01:25] That's what it's called, the Podchowski casters

[00:01:27] Cause we're here to talk about the Podchowski's

[00:01:30] Yes, so this is, we like to pick directors

[00:01:34] Everyone's gonna want to do one off

[00:01:36] But we like to pick directors and go through the filmography

[00:01:38] And try to get a bigger sense of who these people are

[00:01:41] You know our friend JD Amato

[00:01:43] Past and possibly future guest of the show

[00:01:45] You love referencing this quote

[00:01:47] He said that he thinks all movies are about their filmmaker

[00:01:50] Sure

[00:01:51] And so it's interesting to look at a career

[00:01:53] Yeah

[00:01:54] You know and we're watching things in linear time

[00:01:56] So you see a movie, three years later

[00:01:58] A new movie comes out

[00:01:59] Yeah and then you're like okay

[00:02:01] But no, of course we're watching everything in this larger context

[00:02:03] But also in a condensed time period

[00:02:05] Which makes it interesting

[00:02:06] And we're watching movies made by directors

[00:02:08] Who get a blank check from Hollywood

[00:02:11] And that's the premise of our podcast

[00:02:13] That's the extensible promise of our podcast

[00:02:15] That's the extensible premise of this show

[00:02:18] And we came up with the Wachowskis

[00:02:21] Like six months ago

[00:02:23] And we're finally doing it

[00:02:24] If not longer, we had this idea almost

[00:02:27] Concurrent with the Shyamalan idea

[00:02:29] Cause we were like let's make sure we have two ideas

[00:02:31] You had Shyamalan and I had Wachowskis

[00:02:34] Yes

[00:02:35] That I think that was, we came up with a pretty

[00:02:37] You know similar time

[00:02:39] Now the Wachowskis at the time, interesting choice

[00:02:41] Now a more interesting choice

[00:02:43] Correct

[00:02:45] Born, Andy and Larry Wachowsky

[00:02:48] Sure

[00:02:49] I think about four years ago

[00:02:52] They were born four years ago?

[00:02:54] No, I'm saying four years ago

[00:02:56] I don't know the timeline

[00:02:58] I believe

[00:03:01] Larry came out as a transgender woman

[00:03:04] And reintroduced herself to the world

[00:03:07] As Lana Wachowsky

[00:03:09] Yeah, I think Lana came out sort of

[00:03:12] You know having

[00:03:14] It was a slow process

[00:03:16] But a Ramon Speed Racer came out so 2008

[00:03:18] So like eight years ago

[00:03:20] Already made their films very fascinating

[00:03:23] Sure, sure, sure

[00:03:25] Cause their films are very much

[00:03:27] Prominent Hollywood directors

[00:03:29] But who make pretty weird challenging movies

[00:03:32] For considering that

[00:03:34] In a big budget mainstream level

[00:03:36] Often on a big budget mainstream level

[00:03:38] Yeah but very odd mainstream studio films

[00:03:40] And they're also all about identity

[00:03:43] Absolutely

[00:03:44] And the sort of like transience of identity

[00:03:46] And our physical bodies in relation to our human spirit

[00:03:49] All these interesting things, right?

[00:03:50] Yeah

[00:03:51] So you start to look at it through that prism

[00:03:52] You go, huh, interesting

[00:03:53] Wow, yeah sure

[00:03:54] Right, well they used to be, you know

[00:03:56] They used to build themselves as the Wachowsky brothers

[00:03:58] And now they're the Wachowskis

[00:03:59] And you're like, oh that's crazy

[00:04:01] And I think they were erroneously

[00:04:03] In the wake of the Matrix

[00:04:04] Viewed as these hyper masculine filmmakers

[00:04:06] Yeah

[00:04:07] Cause people were looking at the wrong elements

[00:04:09] And they were tagged as like, and we'll get to this

[00:04:11] Yeah

[00:04:12] But they were tagged as like sort of the ultimate

[00:04:15] Like kind of nerdy bro types who like

[00:04:18] You know, like ladies with guns

[00:04:21] And like skin tights, you know

[00:04:22] I mean like the Matrix got ripped off

[00:04:24] In so many bad ways that maybe

[00:04:26] And maybe that sort of got tagged onto the Wachowskis

[00:04:28] Yes, I think people looked at the things

[00:04:31] That the people who didn't understand the Matrix

[00:04:33] And like violence, guns, exactly

[00:04:36] That kind of stuff

[00:04:37] About a month ago

[00:04:39] Yeah, really recently

[00:04:41] Really recently

[00:04:42] And much more like the

[00:04:44] Lana's transition was like

[00:04:46] Kind of like talked about for years

[00:04:48] And like you know

[00:04:49] There were murmurs and there was a while before

[00:04:51] She finally sort of came out publicly

[00:04:53] And dressed it and everything

[00:04:55] This was a sudden sort of much more like

[00:04:57] Surprising

[00:04:58] Yes

[00:04:59] At least for me, I mean I don't

[00:05:01] Follow too closely the personal lives

[00:05:03] Of most directors

[00:05:04] Yes

[00:05:05] Lily Wachowski

[00:05:07] The second Wachowsky sibling

[00:05:09] It came out that the Daily Mail

[00:05:11] Was about to out her

[00:05:13] And she took the bull by the horns

[00:05:15] In a very shitty situation

[00:05:17] As reflective of a garbage world

[00:05:19] I'm constantly reminded we live in

[00:05:21] We live in a garbage world

[00:05:22] One of these garbage worlds we live in

[00:05:24] And wrote a piece about her

[00:05:27] Journey to this point

[00:05:29] So you know statistically

[00:05:31] The odds of

[00:05:33] Two siblings

[00:05:35] In one family

[00:05:36] Being transgendered

[00:05:37] Very small

[00:05:38] Don't know nothing about

[00:05:40] Statistics

[00:05:41] I don't either

[00:05:42] I don't know

[00:05:43] It seems rare right

[00:05:44] Which makes it interesting

[00:05:46] And then you also go like

[00:05:48] Okay so there are two siblings in the same family

[00:05:50] They work together

[00:05:51] They're filmmakers

[00:05:52] We've never had a major transgender filmmaker before

[00:05:54] And now we have two of them

[00:05:55] They explore these themes in their movies

[00:05:57] In ways both major and their TV show

[00:06:00] In ways both major and minor

[00:06:02] And sort of you know obvious and subtextual

[00:06:05] Now that's not the only prism

[00:06:07] We're gonna view their films through

[00:06:09] I mean honestly

[00:06:11] When I proposed this as a blank check

[00:06:13] You know it's more obviously

[00:06:15] Kind of like Shyamalan

[00:06:17] These are guys who made the matrix

[00:06:19] And I use guys in a gender neutral sense

[00:06:21] But they made the matrix

[00:06:23] And it was a huge out of the box

[00:06:26] Crazy hit

[00:06:27] Unlike anything

[00:06:29] Anyone was prepared for

[00:06:30] This like weird R rated movie was this huge

[00:06:33] Like you know surprise smash

[00:06:35] And ever since then they've gotten to make

[00:06:38] The most bonkers movies

[00:06:40] Like you can imagine

[00:06:42] What the biggest budgets none of them have hit

[00:06:44] I mean you know

[00:06:45] Yeah none of them have really

[00:06:46] The matrix sequels

[00:06:47] I think we had a profit or whatever

[00:06:48] But we're disappointing relative to the original

[00:06:50] And like you know

[00:06:51] All of these movies were pretty much dislike

[00:06:53] Yeah

[00:06:55] And were other than matrix reloaded financial disappointment

[00:06:57] Always had fans but

[00:06:59] Critically disliked out of the gate

[00:07:01] You know almost always sort of rediscovered

[00:07:04] A couple years later maybe

[00:07:06] For their like traits you know their good stuff

[00:07:08] Like movies like Speed Racer

[00:07:10] Cloud Atlas

[00:07:12] Jupiter Ascending which we've talked about on this podcast

[00:07:14] I think in our very first episode

[00:07:16] We talked about how much we like Jupiter Ascending

[00:07:18] The Netflix series Sense8

[00:07:21] Which I think is coming back

[00:07:22] Yeah

[00:07:23] For a second season

[00:07:24] Yeah

[00:07:25] The Wachowskis

[00:07:26] The Wachowskis

[00:07:27] We're gonna talk about the Wachowskis

[00:07:29] We're talking about the first film today

[00:07:30] Bound

[00:07:31] So excited yeah we're gonna talk about Bound today

[00:07:33] But before we do

[00:07:34] Little house keeping

[00:07:36] Oh major house keeping

[00:07:37] Guys it's been a crazy time

[00:07:39] It's been a crazy time

[00:07:40] I've got a cold as well so if you can hear that in my voice

[00:07:42] Cause you folks at home

[00:07:44] Oh boy you just every Monday morning

[00:07:46] Yeah

[00:07:47] You open your podcast app

[00:07:48] Ooh nice clean episode

[00:07:49] And you're like oh hey

[00:07:50] Blank check

[00:07:51] Here we go

[00:07:52] Back stage

[00:07:53] Boy chaos

[00:07:54] Our schedule's been all over the place

[00:07:56] It's been a lot of difficulty getting

[00:07:59] Getting a new episode out every week

[00:08:01] Banking some up

[00:08:02] Not being for a while trying to sneak in

[00:08:03] Whatever

[00:08:04] Not important to you

[00:08:05] But this is what is important

[00:08:06] Last weekend we recorded two episodes in one go

[00:08:08] Yes

[00:08:09] We recorded the very secretive image on one

[00:08:11] Two very loopy episodes

[00:08:12] Very loopy

[00:08:13] We were feeling both pretty loopy

[00:08:14] When we were running behind

[00:08:16] Griffin's career has been very

[00:08:18] Chaotic as of late

[00:08:20] Yeah

[00:08:21] Very exciting

[00:08:22] Yeah

[00:08:23] Yeah

[00:08:24] Yeah

[00:08:25] Yeah

[00:08:26] So we recorded two at once

[00:08:29] We recorded the buried secret

[00:08:30] Which you've heard at this point

[00:08:31] Yeah a dissection of an unseen

[00:08:34] Movie that nobody watched

[00:08:35] Yeah that no one makes sense of

[00:08:36] Although I will say

[00:08:38] Our friend, friend of the show

[00:08:39] Caroline Anderson

[00:08:41] Works for Comedy Bang Bang

[00:08:43] Hey Caroline

[00:08:44] A wonderful human being

[00:08:45] Shout out Caroline

[00:08:46] I saw her recently

[00:08:48] And she told me that she in fact

[00:08:50] Not only watched

[00:08:52] Buried secret in preparation for her episode

[00:08:54] Oh boy

[00:08:55] But rewatched

[00:08:56] Because Caroline is

[00:08:58] To date the only person I've ever spoken to

[00:09:00] Who watched that live

[00:09:02] When it aired on the side of the channel

[00:09:04] Wow

[00:09:05] So she rewatched it

[00:09:07] That's crazy

[00:09:08] I didn't think anyway

[00:09:09] I thought I got a zero Nielsen rating

[00:09:10] Yeah I did too

[00:09:11] Apparently one person is so negligible

[00:09:13] They rounded down to zero

[00:09:14] But I think Caroline was the only one who watched it live

[00:09:16] We did that episode right

[00:09:18] And by the way if you've also

[00:09:19] If you've listened to it it's a thing

[00:09:21] It's a thing

[00:09:22] And you should give it a shot

[00:09:24] We were recording a second episode right after that

[00:09:26] We were filming Double Loopy

[00:09:27] This is an episode we had promised for a while

[00:09:29] We usually like to do a little palette cleanser

[00:09:31] It was a Sunday afternoon

[00:09:32] We like to do a little palette of Sherbert

[00:09:34] In between miniseries

[00:09:35] To cleanse the palette right

[00:09:37] Mmm

[00:09:38] Yeah we like to interspersed

[00:09:40] Yeah a little bonus between

[00:09:42] Major miniseries

[00:09:44] Right

[00:09:45] So we did a long promised

[00:09:47] Batman V Superman Don of Justice

[00:09:49] Episode that was alternately titled depending on who you ask

[00:09:51] Oh who cares what it was titled

[00:09:53] Griffin V David Donna Ben

[00:09:55] Or Watchman V BVS Don of Snyder

[00:09:57] Something dumb like that right

[00:09:59] Yeah

[00:10:00] We were pretty loopy

[00:10:02] It was pretty ramshackle

[00:10:04] Yeah it was the worst episode we've ever recorded

[00:10:06] I think bar none

[00:10:07] I was gonna try to talk around it but yeah

[00:10:08] It was the worst episode we ever recorded

[00:10:10] It was a piece of garbage

[00:10:11] I think about 45 minutes in

[00:10:12] We realized what was happening

[00:10:13] Yeah

[00:10:14] And we didn't save it

[00:10:16] But we at least we proceeded

[00:10:18] To just be weirder as a result

[00:10:20] We threw a lot of shit at the wall

[00:10:22] And then we sort of said to Ben

[00:10:23] Like well it was probably good 45 minutes

[00:10:25] Are there right

[00:10:26] We talked for an hour and a half

[00:10:27] I remember Ben when we were done recording

[00:10:29] Ben you just leaned in the microphone

[00:10:31] And it's like spoke to your engineer

[00:10:33] And just was like I'm sorry

[00:10:34] Yeah yeah no I was telling Brian

[00:10:36] Who helps edit the show

[00:10:37] In turn Brian

[00:10:38] I am so sorry

[00:10:39] This is gonna take a lot of time

[00:10:41] I don't want you to think that

[00:10:43] We haven't released this episode because

[00:10:45] It was bad

[00:10:46] We were gonna release it

[00:10:47] We have no vanity

[00:10:48] It was gonna go out there

[00:10:49] I believe in this being awards in all shell

[00:10:51] Right I think we as Holler and fans

[00:10:53] And I want you to understand the narrative

[00:10:55] Of what we're going through psychologically

[00:10:56] On a week to week basis

[00:10:57] But the Lord God himself

[00:10:59] Intervened

[00:11:00] Reached down from the sky

[00:11:02] And corrupted the audio of this episode

[00:11:04] So profoundly

[00:11:05] Like every

[00:11:06] Every

[00:11:07] Cannot be released

[00:11:08] Like once a minute

[00:11:09] Five seconds of audio dropout

[00:11:11] Is that accurate Ben

[00:11:12] Yes yes

[00:11:13] Is it more frequent than that

[00:11:14] You know it's like every few minutes or so

[00:11:16] Yeah a couple of seconds

[00:11:17] But enough where it's just like

[00:11:19] You lose context of the terrible things

[00:11:21] We're talking about

[00:11:22] Because yes we're talking about awful things

[00:11:24] But we're also in our classic style going like

[00:11:26] So fast through like so many dense different

[00:11:28] Like bits upon facts

[00:11:30] I mean literally we started this episode thinking

[00:11:32] We were gonna talk about Watchmen

[00:11:33] And Batman vs. Superman

[00:11:34] And our in we're like

[00:11:35] Oh I guess we're just not gonna

[00:11:37] We're just only gonna talk about

[00:11:38] Watchmen

[00:11:39] It was dense and it was messy

[00:11:41] Right

[00:11:42] Even it was yelling

[00:11:43] And so the audio

[00:11:44] I was yelling

[00:11:45] You're yelling

[00:11:46] The audio was so bad that we were like

[00:11:48] This episode is barely gonna make sense

[00:11:50] It already barely made sense

[00:11:52] It's not it's gonna be difficult to listen to

[00:11:54] So this is our current plan

[00:11:56] We had long promise that we were gonna do

[00:11:58] About M vs. Superman episode

[00:11:59] At this point the movie's been out a month

[00:12:01] I don't know if anyone

[00:12:02] Literally nobody cares about the movie

[00:12:03] Everyone's chewed it up digested it

[00:12:05] Shit it out ate the shit

[00:12:06] Shit it back out again right

[00:12:07] They ate the shit

[00:12:08] They did they ate the shit

[00:12:09] They drank the diarrhea

[00:12:12] They

[00:12:13] I made a face at this

[00:12:14] No one needed us to weigh in anymore

[00:12:16] Nope

[00:12:17] And I think about 15 minutes in the episode

[00:12:18] We were like oh no one needs us to weigh in

[00:12:20] No one does anymore

[00:12:21] But there was the much bally hoot

[00:12:23] Aspect that we were gonna cover

[00:12:25] It's true it was much bally hoot

[00:12:27] It was much bally hoot

[00:12:29] Yeah you

[00:12:30] I'll just summarize this

[00:12:32] You and Ben saw the fucking movie in 4DX

[00:12:35] Wait who?

[00:12:36] Oh Jesus

[00:12:37] Yeah wait David who are you talking about

[00:12:39] Oh here we go

[00:12:40] Producer Ben aka

[00:12:41] Produer Ben aka

[00:12:42] The Mendooser aka

[00:12:43] The Poet Laureate aka

[00:12:44] The Haws aka

[00:12:45] Mr. Positive aka

[00:12:46] The Tiebreaker aka

[00:12:47] Birthday Benny aka

[00:12:48] The Fuckmaster aka

[00:12:50] The Peeper yeah not

[00:12:52] Professor Crispy but he is

[00:12:54] Ben Night Shyamalan

[00:12:56] Yep

[00:12:57] Oh boy

[00:12:58] Hey everybody how you doing

[00:13:00] Kylo Ben right

[00:13:01] Yeah Kylo Ben but you know

[00:13:03] He's in there in the booth

[00:13:05] And then he means

[00:13:07] Oh Hello Fennel

[00:13:08] Hello Fennel we greet

[00:13:09] Yeah

[00:13:10] Hello Fennel

[00:13:11] No you and Ben saw it in 4DX

[00:13:13] Which is some sort of like radical like

[00:13:15] Punching technology like you know

[00:13:17] Viewing experience where the seat like

[00:13:19] Sucks your dick or whatever I don't like it's like

[00:13:21] It sprays you in your face with water

[00:13:22] Yeah it just sounds terrible

[00:13:23] First of all that's very crass

[00:13:24] The seat does not

[00:13:25] The seat does not suck your dick

[00:13:27] It performs fallatio upon you

[00:13:29] I'm a crass person and it sounded like

[00:13:31] A crass experience for a crass movie

[00:13:33] It was it's like if you wish that all

[00:13:35] Movies could be honey I shrunk the audience

[00:13:37] 4DX has risen to that challenge

[00:13:40] Yeah it's like that Terminator movie

[00:13:42] Where they face like the T1 million

[00:13:44] That's like a spider

[00:13:45] Oh it's like a Terminator 2 battle cross time

[00:13:47] Correct

[00:13:48] Which has been replaced by Shrek 4D

[00:13:50] Cause I recently went to

[00:13:52] Universal Studios two days ago

[00:13:54] And boy Shrek 4D

[00:13:56] Not a great movie

[00:13:57] Can I say this?

[00:13:58] Poorly written

[00:13:59] Shit really

[00:14:00] Like I walked out of it

[00:14:01] I heard Tom Stopper did a pass

[00:14:03] I walked out of it not being like

[00:14:05] A 3D amusement park ride

[00:14:06] I was like that's a bad movie

[00:14:08] Like that's a poorly directed

[00:14:09] Active and written film

[00:14:11] We don't care

[00:14:12] We're recording this episode late

[00:14:14] Because Griffin was held over in Los Angeles

[00:14:17] Because of his fancy job as a superhero

[00:14:19] In a TV show

[00:14:20] I was getting fitted for my superhero costume

[00:14:22] And let me tell the audience

[00:14:23] Cause I know they've been very invested in this

[00:14:25] I can assure you

[00:14:27] The costume, the current plan is for the costume to be

[00:14:29] Two separate pieces

[00:14:30] So I will be able to poop while wearing it

[00:14:33] But easily get out of it

[00:14:35] Did you talk to three time Academy Award winner

[00:14:37] Colleen Atwood about needing to poop?

[00:14:40] Absolutely not

[00:14:41] Cause she designed the costume am I correct?

[00:14:43] She did? Correct

[00:14:44] And she has three Academy Awards from 11 nominations

[00:14:47] Yep

[00:14:48] Can you guess the three wins?

[00:14:50] I know the three wins

[00:14:51] All for not great jobs in my opinion

[00:14:54] I think good work

[00:14:55] Memoirs of Agatia

[00:14:56] Not her best work

[00:14:57] Memoirs of Agatia is one

[00:14:58] Number two is Alice in Wonderland

[00:15:00] Correct

[00:15:01] Number three is Chicago

[00:15:02] Which is really well designed costumes

[00:15:05] The other ones, I hate those movies

[00:15:07] She did

[00:15:08] She's done so many great movies

[00:15:10] Oh yeah

[00:15:11] She's worked with Burton a million times

[00:15:12] Silence of the Lambs

[00:15:13] Correct

[00:15:14] She was a big Demi person at the beginning

[00:15:16] Yeah, Mars Attacks

[00:15:17] Gadica

[00:15:18] She designed the fucking Martian Spy Girl

[00:15:20] Which is one of my favorite looking characters of all time

[00:15:23] Yeah, Mars Attacks is a great design

[00:15:25] Anyway, let me say this

[00:15:26] Sweeney Todd

[00:15:27] Also like one of the most badass human beings I've ever met

[00:15:30] Oh yeah

[00:15:31] She's like a suffer no fools

[00:15:32] Mints no wards

[00:15:33] Makes sense

[00:15:34] Like awesome, awesome lady

[00:15:35] Costume designers man

[00:15:36] Yeah, so she's making a superhero suit

[00:15:39] To fit my stupid body

[00:15:40] Yeah

[00:15:41] And the stupid body it is

[00:15:42] It really dumb

[00:15:43] For you listeners at home

[00:15:45] I cannot oversell how dumb my body is

[00:15:48] Isn't it great that there might be new listeners

[00:15:50] To this episode by the way

[00:15:51] Yeah

[00:15:52] Like let's jump in at the podcast

[00:15:54] Pochowsky casters or whatever

[00:15:56] Yeah, and then you hear me talk about

[00:15:58] Being able to poop in a superhero costume

[00:16:00] I did not say anything to her

[00:16:02] We were like

[00:16:03] You were silent

[00:16:04] Fitting stuff

[00:16:05] I was totally silent the whole time

[00:16:06] We were like fitting stuff

[00:16:07] And then she was like throwing ideas

[00:16:08] And she was like what do you think

[00:16:09] If we like split this in two

[00:16:10] So it was like a jacket

[00:16:11] And a bottom part with a belt in between

[00:16:12] And I was like yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:16:13] No I think that sounds great

[00:16:14] I think that sounds great

[00:16:15] So she presented it and I heartily agreed

[00:16:18] So you're not in a jumpsuit

[00:16:19] Is what you're saying basically

[00:16:20] You're not in like a one piece

[00:16:21] Yeah

[00:16:22] No it's a little closer

[00:16:23] The current flash costume

[00:16:25] On the CW

[00:16:27] Where it looks sort of like two pieces

[00:16:28] But it's kind of continuous

[00:16:29] Yeah

[00:16:30] Yeah

[00:16:31] You know the flash poops a lot

[00:16:32] Good costume, I like it

[00:16:34] Was very hard for me not to cry

[00:16:36] When I saw myself in it

[00:16:37] Very exciting guys

[00:16:38] Can't wait for you folks to see it

[00:16:39] But anyway back to this

[00:16:40] We saw it in 4DX

[00:16:41] Oh yeah, no okay

[00:16:42] So let's just move on from this

[00:16:44] But we used guys saw the movie in 4DX

[00:16:46] We chatted about that for a while

[00:16:47] On this lost episode

[00:16:49] I think that section was the

[00:16:50] It might be worthy of release

[00:16:51] The one part of value

[00:16:52] So Ben's gonna go through

[00:16:53] Try to clean up the audio

[00:16:54] But I think we're gonna release it

[00:16:55] Like a 15 minute

[00:16:56] B-b-bonus episode

[00:16:57] Yeah you guys might get a little chunk

[00:16:58] Later in the week

[00:17:00] Just for funsy

[00:17:01] Cause that's the thing you want to hear

[00:17:02] It's just for funsy

[00:17:03] It's just for funsy

[00:17:04] So don't take it seriously

[00:17:06] Just stop taking us so fucking seriously

[00:17:08] And wait for the funsy episode

[00:17:09] And if it doesn't come out

[00:17:10] You know what tweet angrily

[00:17:12] At Ben Hoseley

[00:17:13] Ever since we got rid of on Podmas

[00:17:14] Everyone takes us so seriously

[00:17:16] Do they?

[00:17:17] So seriously

[00:17:18] Thanks for the Podmas right up

[00:17:19] Oh yeah thank you Rebecca

[00:17:20] I think we talked about that

[00:17:21] Yeah

[00:17:22] Okay

[00:17:23] Podcasting

[00:17:25] God jeez

[00:17:26] The Podchowski casters

[00:17:28] Jesus Christ

[00:17:29] I like that this is flipped

[00:17:30] Cause like last season

[00:17:31] I had a hard time with our title

[00:17:32] Yeah

[00:17:33] And this season

[00:17:34] You're having a tough time

[00:17:35] I mean I like it though

[00:17:36] I like the title

[00:17:37] Yeah

[00:17:38] Um

[00:17:39] Bound

[00:17:40] Yeah so

[00:17:41] The year is 1996

[00:17:42] That's correct

[00:17:44] The Wachowskis

[00:17:45] The Wachowskis are a couple of

[00:17:46] You know young

[00:17:48] Writers in Hollywood

[00:17:50] Midwestern

[00:17:51] Where they from

[00:17:52] Yeah they're from Chicago

[00:17:53] Yeah they're from Chicago

[00:17:54] Yeah

[00:17:55] They're Polish

[00:17:56] Like many of Chicago

[00:17:57] And you know

[00:17:58] They probably ate a lot

[00:17:59] Of Kielbasa

[00:18:00] And you know

[00:18:01] What do people do in Chicago

[00:18:02] Like Griffin Nooms over here

[00:18:03] Is also Polish

[00:18:04] I don't know if you know it

[00:18:05] Oh you?

[00:18:06] Yeah yeah

[00:18:07] I mean I have some

[00:18:08] Polish descent

[00:18:09] You know I mean it's Jews

[00:18:10] I think like 3 fourths

[00:18:11] Or something like that

[00:18:12] Mostly Lithuanian

[00:18:13] Eww

[00:18:14] So

[00:18:15] Yeah you know

[00:18:16] They are

[00:18:17] A couple of Chicago's

[00:18:18] And they went

[00:18:19] I think one of them

[00:18:20] Went to Bard College

[00:18:21] My brother's alma mater

[00:18:22] And one of them

[00:18:23] Went to Emerson College

[00:18:24] So you know nice

[00:18:25] Kind of goofy liberal arts

[00:18:27] You know arty schools

[00:18:28] And then they

[00:18:29] These guys are big thinkers right

[00:18:31] They wrote comic books

[00:18:32] A little bit I think

[00:18:33] I think they worked at Marvel

[00:18:34] In their younger years

[00:18:35] I believe so

[00:18:36] And I think they also

[00:18:37] Very quickly

[00:18:38] Yeah but they

[00:18:39] Start like script doctoring

[00:18:40] Doing passes

[00:18:41] Punch up

[00:18:42] Ecto kid

[00:18:43] They wrote a lot of like

[00:18:44] Clive Barker

[00:18:45] Remember Marvel had like

[00:18:46] Weird little Clive Barker stuff

[00:18:47] It was great

[00:18:48] But I think they also were

[00:18:49] Credit on assassins

[00:18:50] Well this is the thing

[00:18:51] They wrote a script for assassins

[00:18:52] Which was a crappy 1994

[00:18:54] Action movie starring

[00:18:55] Sylvester Stallone

[00:18:56] And Antonio Banderas

[00:18:57] When he was still figuring out

[00:18:58] How to like speak English

[00:18:59] And Julianne Moore

[00:19:00] Yeah

[00:19:01] Weird cast

[00:19:02] But you know Julianne Moore

[00:19:03] Post like her five minutes

[00:19:04] In the fugitive

[00:19:05] You know like early Julianne

[00:19:06] More

[00:19:07] Right but pre

[00:19:08] Like one of our

[00:19:09] One of our finest actresses

[00:19:10] On 42nd Street Julianne

[00:19:11] More yeah totally

[00:19:12] Yeah Julianne Moore

[00:19:13] Still figuring it out

[00:19:14] Anyway not a good movie

[00:19:15] No so did they write

[00:19:16] The original

[00:19:17] Where they were

[00:19:18] Their script

[00:19:19] That got butchered

[00:19:20] Warner Brothers picked it up

[00:19:21] And gave them like a two picture

[00:19:24] You know two script deal

[00:19:25] Or something as part of that

[00:19:26] Pickup

[00:19:27] Yeah

[00:19:28] Then director

[00:19:29] Later director

[00:19:30] Brian Helgeland

[00:19:31] Oscar winner

[00:19:32] Brian Helgeland

[00:19:33] Who wrote

[00:19:34] LA Confidential

[00:19:35] And directed a lot of movies

[00:19:36] He like rewrote the script

[00:19:37] He's credited to

[00:19:38] Richard Donner

[00:19:39] Made the movie

[00:19:40] It sucked and was

[00:19:41] It's huge bomb

[00:19:42] People didn't like it

[00:19:43] It's a bad movie

[00:19:44] I've seen like

[00:19:45] 20 minutes of it on TV

[00:19:47] If I'm not mistaken

[00:19:49] I believe they write

[00:19:51] The Matrix

[00:19:52] And present to Warner Brothers

[00:19:53] As one of the

[00:19:54] Two films in that deal

[00:19:56] And Warner Brothers

[00:19:57] They have two notes

[00:19:58] One of them is

[00:19:59] By all accounts

[00:20:00] This is the legend I've heard

[00:20:01] Is they return the script

[00:20:03] With a post-it note saying

[00:20:05] What is this

[00:20:07] Can you explain this to us

[00:20:09] We'll get to the matrix

[00:20:10] Right

[00:20:11] But by all accounts

[00:20:12] They were like

[00:20:13] I'm not saying it's good

[00:20:14] I'm not saying it's bad

[00:20:15] They just literally

[00:20:16] Had that script

[00:20:17] Don't understand the script

[00:20:18] So the Wachowski sat down

[00:20:19] Explained the matrix

[00:20:20] The look

[00:20:21] Understood

[00:20:22] You know

[00:20:23] Here's how it's gonna make sense

[00:20:24] Visually all of this

[00:20:25] And Warner said

[00:20:26] Okay now we get it

[00:20:27] And we like it

[00:20:28] We have no faith

[00:20:30] That you can pull off

[00:20:31] A movie of this size

[00:20:32] You haven't directed a movie before

[00:20:33] Absolutely

[00:20:34] So they said

[00:20:35] Like if you've made another film

[00:20:37] We feel a lot more comfortable

[00:20:38] Yeah a lot of this

[00:20:39] Legend

[00:20:40] That I've also heard

[00:20:41] Is from Joel Silver

[00:20:42] Who is the producer

[00:20:43] Of The Matrix

[00:20:44] And is a legendary Hollywood fatso

[00:20:46] Awesome man

[00:20:47] Who wears Hawaiian shirts

[00:20:48] And has produced a million movies

[00:20:50] Half of them awful

[00:20:51] Half of them great

[00:20:52] Can I tell a really good

[00:20:53] Quitside bar story

[00:20:54] Sure

[00:20:56] My father would bring me to like

[00:20:58] You know

[00:20:59] Things sometimes

[00:21:00] I mean Joel Silver is a parody

[00:21:02] Of a Hollywood producer

[00:21:03] And I love the man

[00:21:04] And I think he's made a lot

[00:21:05] Of fun movies

[00:21:06] And he's always fun on camera

[00:21:07] In like

[00:21:08] You know documentaries

[00:21:09] And DVD extras and stuff

[00:21:10] Yes

[00:21:11] He's just kind of a hilarious

[00:21:12] Like

[00:21:13] Oh the bo- you know

[00:21:14] Go ahead go ahead

[00:21:15] My grandmother works at a film festival in France

[00:21:17] Right

[00:21:18] An American film festival in France

[00:21:19] Oh boy

[00:21:20] They

[00:21:21] One year when I was like

[00:21:22] 12 or 13

[00:21:23] Were doing a tribute to Joel Silver

[00:21:25] Sure

[00:21:26] So there was this big Joel Silver thing

[00:21:28] And my dad was like

[00:21:29] 48 hours die hard

[00:21:30] All his class

[00:21:31] Yeah

[00:21:32] The Matrix

[00:21:33] The Hudson Hock

[00:21:34] Hudson Hock

[00:21:35] So my dad was like

[00:21:37] Do you want to come to this party

[00:21:38] Because I was a big fan

[00:21:39] Of a lot of Joel Silver movies

[00:21:40] Right

[00:21:42] And

[00:21:43] He's talking to someone who's like

[00:21:45] I will not name him

[00:21:47] For the sake of

[00:21:48] You know not

[00:21:49] Go ahead go ahead

[00:21:50] He was a hire up at Warner Brothers

[00:21:51] At the time

[00:21:52] Which is where Joel Silver was situated

[00:21:54] That's where his shingle

[00:21:55] Was played

[00:21:56] Silver pictures

[00:21:57] Right

[00:21:58] And my dad went up to him

[00:21:59] Said hey how are you doing

[00:22:00] Went hey how are you

[00:22:01] Da da da da da

[00:22:02] This and that

[00:22:03] And there was a woman

[00:22:04] Standing close by

[00:22:05] But none of us knew who

[00:22:06] The woman was

[00:22:07] Right

[00:22:08] Okay

[00:22:10] The Warner Brothers

[00:22:12] My dad said to the Warner Brothers guy

[00:22:14] Hey this is my son Griffin

[00:22:16] He's 12 and he hates Hollywood phonies

[00:22:18] Which I don't know why dad said that

[00:22:19] My dad would always try to

[00:22:20] Create a fucking

[00:22:21] Context for me

[00:22:22] Right

[00:22:23] Whatever it's a funny line

[00:22:24] And the Warner Brothers guy goes

[00:22:25] Well

[00:22:26] You want to talk about phonies

[00:22:28] This fat disgusting fuck

[00:22:30] In the ice cream colored suit

[00:22:32] Over there

[00:22:33] And he points over to Joel Silver

[00:22:34] And he goes this is the grossest

[00:22:35] Phonious

[00:22:37] Blowhardiest

[00:22:38] Like 18

[00:22:39] Does he know it's Joel Silver?

[00:22:41] 100%

[00:22:42] He's like a higher up at Warner Brothers

[00:22:43] Where Joel Silver

[00:22:44] And he's just ragging on Joel Silver

[00:22:45] And he's like

[00:22:46] I'm gonna have fun saying this to this kid

[00:22:47] Right

[00:22:48] And he's ragging on Joel Silver

[00:22:49] And he's like

[00:22:50] Piece of shit phony in this entire business

[00:22:52] And then the woman goes

[00:22:53] Hey that's my brother

[00:22:55] Oh wow

[00:22:57] That's crazy

[00:22:58] That's a good story right

[00:22:59] Decent story

[00:23:00] Yeah decent story

[00:23:01] Did he apologize

[00:23:03] He went

[00:23:04] This is what my dad did

[00:23:05] My dad went

[00:23:06] Of course he is and we love him very much

[00:23:07] Grif I think it's getting late

[00:23:08] We should head home

[00:23:09] My dad immediately removed himself

[00:23:10] From that situation

[00:23:11] Get out of there

[00:23:12] Pistol Pete Newman does not like

[00:23:14] Social

[00:23:15] Discom

[00:23:16] Awkwardness

[00:23:17] Anyway so Joel Silver has often said

[00:23:19] I think what you're about to say

[00:23:20] Which is like you know

[00:23:21] Walters was like

[00:23:22] Okay this matrix

[00:23:23] I don't know

[00:23:24] But we need something from you guys

[00:23:25] To prove that you can direct

[00:23:27] You're untested

[00:23:28] This is a huge project

[00:23:29] And so Silver says they made

[00:23:30] Bound as like an audition piece

[00:23:32] Like you know it's like

[00:23:33] Here we are

[00:23:34] This is a small budget movie

[00:23:35] But like you know

[00:23:36] Look where we're putting the camera

[00:23:37] Look at like how we're

[00:23:38] Like turning a little

[00:23:40] Into a lot basically

[00:23:41] This was like a one or two million

[00:23:42] Dollar movie

[00:23:43] No this is a little more

[00:23:44] I think it was a six million

[00:23:45] Yeah six million dollar movie

[00:23:47] Okay

[00:23:48] And so the Wachowskis

[00:23:49] I read interviews where they've said

[00:23:51] Like oh that's a little over

[00:23:52] You know we wanted to make bound

[00:23:53] You know essentially

[00:23:54] Like but who knows

[00:23:55] How do they want to make bound

[00:23:56] And it fits into a nice mythology

[00:23:57] It's certainly interesting

[00:23:58] That they made a pretty small budget

[00:24:00] Movie that basically takes place

[00:24:02] In two rooms

[00:24:03] Yeah

[00:24:04] There are two apartments

[00:24:05] That's like 90% on sound stages

[00:24:07] Correct

[00:24:08] And then of course transition to

[00:24:10] The most definitive action epic

[00:24:13] Sci-fi masterpiece of cinema

[00:24:16] That has not yet been equal

[00:24:17] Yeah I don't mean to imply that

[00:24:19] Bound was like means to an end

[00:24:20] No no I don't think so

[00:24:21] I think it's a fully passionate

[00:24:23] Film affairs that they wanted to make

[00:24:24] But I also think it was like

[00:24:27] Strategically like

[00:24:29] Even you look at how much

[00:24:30] Style is in this film

[00:24:32] And it's like they want to show

[00:24:33] With limited resources what they can milk

[00:24:36] And you talk about

[00:24:38] I mean like that the matrix is something

[00:24:40] That hasn't sort of been met since then

[00:24:42] It hasn't

[00:24:43] I have often said that like

[00:24:44] Maybe Mad Max

[00:24:45] Yeah but I mean

[00:24:46] I know it's 99

[00:24:48] But let's say like 21st century

[00:24:50] I think the two movies of the 21st century

[00:24:52] Love them or hate them whatever you think

[00:24:54] Yeah yeah yeah

[00:24:55] That like came in with like a completely

[00:24:57] New aesthetic

[00:24:58] New aesthetic that hadn't been crystallized

[00:25:00] Before elements before

[00:25:01] And sort of changed the game

[00:25:03] Are the matrix

[00:25:04] And I would argue the second one is

[00:25:05] Napoleon Dynamite

[00:25:07] I'm not even going to begin to discuss that

[00:25:09] I said love it or hate it

[00:25:10] Not going to begin to discuss that

[00:25:11] But you know what I'm saying

[00:25:12] Both of those movies

[00:25:13] That's a whole other thing

[00:25:14] That's in the, that's whatever

[00:25:15] But I say this to make a point

[00:25:16] Where it's like

[00:25:17] You rarely get something where it's like

[00:25:19] Well now the whole things changed

[00:25:21] And now you're going to get

[00:25:22] 20 years of people

[00:25:23] I'm not getting sucked into a conversation

[00:25:24] About Napoleon Dynamite

[00:25:25] I'm trying to refocus this on the matrix

[00:25:26] Okay

[00:25:27] But I'm saying I think they had

[00:25:28] Similar effects on their respective genres

[00:25:30] And I think the matrix

[00:25:32] Yeah it's like

[00:25:33] Everything exists in the shadow of the matrix

[00:25:35] Now to one degree or another

[00:25:36] We live in a post matrix culture

[00:25:38] We do

[00:25:39] And if you're making like an action film

[00:25:40] If you're making a sci-fi film

[00:25:41] If you're making anything like that

[00:25:42] You're either influenced by the matrix

[00:25:44] Or you're consciously choosing

[00:25:46] To not like copy the matrix

[00:25:48] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:25:49] I do

[00:25:50] What

[00:25:51] But let's talk about the matrix next week

[00:25:52] Yes

[00:25:53] We'll talk about it

[00:25:54] I'm just going to set this

[00:25:55] No I agree with you

[00:25:56] I agree with you

[00:25:57] And like they're bound to sort of

[00:25:59] Bound to the matrix

[00:26:00] Oh

[00:26:01] Alright

[00:26:02] But I mean bound comes out in 96

[00:26:04] David

[00:26:05] That is too many

[00:26:09] You know it comes out three years

[00:26:11] Before the matrix comes out in 96

[00:26:13] And I was talking about it

[00:26:15] With producer Ben before

[00:26:17] It kind of has that great

[00:26:19] Trashy 90s vibe

[00:26:22] That is so common to so many

[00:26:24] Like 90s crime thrillers

[00:26:26] Yes

[00:26:27] Kind of the after effects of DiPalma

[00:26:29] Kind of like washing up on the shore

[00:26:31] All these crappy DiPalma knockoffs

[00:26:33] Barbat Trotter's Kiss of Death

[00:26:35] You know and then mixed in

[00:26:37] With the Tarantino

[00:26:39] We can just do pulpy noir movies again

[00:26:41] Right

[00:26:42] I don't know

[00:26:43] Things to do in Denver when you're dead

[00:26:45] Like all these forgotten 90s

[00:26:48] Pretty much every David Caruso film

[00:26:50] I said Kiss of Death but also Jade

[00:26:52] Sliver or silver

[00:26:55] I always forget

[00:26:56] I think it's sliver

[00:26:57] How about Truromance

[00:26:58] Yeah Truromance

[00:26:59] You know that's the Tarantino thing

[00:27:01] But yeah you know exactly

[00:27:02] Like it's just

[00:27:03] It's like

[00:27:04] What's it about

[00:27:05] A bunch of garbage people

[00:27:06] What do they do

[00:27:07] They fucking kill each other

[00:27:08] Over what?

[00:27:09] Eh money

[00:27:10] Like here's the thing

[00:27:12] Is there some sex

[00:27:13] Yeah

[00:27:14] If you were flipping through the channels

[00:27:16] I think it's a smarter movie

[00:27:17] Than the movies we're talking about

[00:27:18] But it adds that vibe

[00:27:19] Well this is what I was going to say

[00:27:20] If you're flipping through the channels

[00:27:22] You know like cable 98

[00:27:23] Pre DVR

[00:27:24] So you can't get info on the tile you're watching

[00:27:26] Right

[00:27:27] If you're flipping through

[00:27:28] If you saw like two seconds of bound

[00:27:30] You'd be like

[00:27:31] Isn't that sort of red shoe diaries

[00:27:32] Yeah because it has a slightly

[00:27:33] Stilted quality of the dialogue

[00:27:35] You know it starts Jennifer Tilley and Gina Gershon

[00:27:37] Yeah

[00:27:38] Gershon

[00:27:39] Gina Gershon

[00:27:40] I always thought of Gina Gershon

[00:27:41] Yeah

[00:27:42] Who are not like

[00:27:43] You know renowned Thespians

[00:27:45] Otherwise they're good actors

[00:27:46] Both of them

[00:27:47] Yeah

[00:27:48] But you know

[00:27:49] I mean like Gina Gershon's probably

[00:27:50] Most famous for showgirls

[00:27:51] Yes

[00:27:52] A movie that is known for being

[00:27:53] Like

[00:27:54] You know

[00:27:55] Right

[00:27:56] Like the looks of this kind of movie

[00:27:57] Right

[00:27:58] Paul Verhoeven

[00:27:59] I forgot to mention him

[00:28:00] You know like basic instinct showgirls

[00:28:01] All the Joe

[00:28:02] By the way

[00:28:03] I would love to fucking do a blank check

[00:28:04] Because he's one of my favorite filmmakers

[00:28:05] Love Verhoeven

[00:28:06] Great

[00:28:07] Yeah

[00:28:08] But showgirls is a film that was like

[00:28:09] Notorious for how disastrous it was

[00:28:11] And now has forgotten

[00:28:12] They've come out a year before bound

[00:28:13] I think

[00:28:14] It's 95 I think

[00:28:15] And there's like a balance between people

[00:28:16] Who like love

[00:28:17] Because they think it's terrible

[00:28:18] And people who think it's brilliant

[00:28:19] And other people don't get it

[00:28:20] Yeah

[00:28:21] But it's like

[00:28:22] You know

[00:28:23] Oh let's get the second lead from a movie

[00:28:24] That just lost a tremendous amount of money

[00:28:25] And the reason they got her I think is because

[00:28:27] She's perfect for the role

[00:28:28] And perfect in the movie

[00:28:29] So good

[00:28:30] Right

[00:28:31] Same for Jennifer Tilly

[00:28:32] Jennifer Tilly coming off an Oscar nomination

[00:28:33] For the bullets of Broadway

[00:28:34] I'm doing the one thing she can do

[00:28:36] Let's say that

[00:28:37] A well deserved Oscar nomination

[00:28:39] I think Jennifer Tilly's great

[00:28:40] But she's definitely

[00:28:41] You know

[00:28:42] Yeah

[00:28:43] You know she's got like

[00:28:44] She's like a sort of a breathy

[00:28:45] Yeah

[00:28:46] Sex spot

[00:28:47] Like she's awesome

[00:28:48] But she does like one thing

[00:28:49] Really really really really well

[00:28:50] I'll say this about both Gina Gershon

[00:28:52] And Jennifer Tilly

[00:28:53] And she's an incredible poker player

[00:28:55] Yeah

[00:28:56] Well I want to talk about Jennifer Tilly a little

[00:28:57] Because her life is a little fascinating

[00:28:59] Jennifer Tilly had been around for years

[00:29:00] Yeah

[00:29:01] Just doing stuff

[00:29:02] She played a Gary Shanley's

[00:29:04] Girlfriend on its Gary Shanley show

[00:29:06] Yeah

[00:29:07] Absolutely

[00:29:08] She's in

[00:29:09] Yeah

[00:29:10] She on that

[00:29:11] She like pops up in things like

[00:29:13] I don't know like the fabulous

[00:29:14] Baker boys and the doors and stuff

[00:29:15] You know like she'll just sort of

[00:29:16] Like have little bit parts and stuff

[00:29:18] And then she just gets

[00:29:19] Her sister Meg Tilly in Academy Award

[00:29:20] Nominating

[00:29:21] I was going to say Meg Tilly

[00:29:22] She just gets an Academy Award nomination

[00:29:24] When she's hysterically funny

[00:29:25] In Bullets Over Broadway

[00:29:26] And she's like a perfectly cast

[00:29:27] Taylor maid role

[00:29:28] Right

[00:29:29] Absolutely

[00:29:30] But she on its Gary Shanley show

[00:29:32] Meets

[00:29:34] Sam Simon

[00:29:35] Oh sure the writer

[00:29:36] Perdigio's comedy writer producer

[00:29:38] RIP Sam Simon

[00:29:39] Recently

[00:29:40] The youngest showrunner ever

[00:29:41] In network television history

[00:29:43] Okay

[00:29:44] They get married

[00:29:46] They get divorced soon after

[00:29:47] And post divorce

[00:29:49] He becomes one of the creators

[00:29:51] Of the most popular executive producer

[00:29:52] On The Simpsons

[00:29:53] Yeah

[00:29:54] He leaves The Simpsons after season 2

[00:29:56] I believe

[00:29:57] 3 maybe

[00:29:58] Or after the early you know

[00:29:59] But as executive producer

[00:30:01] And co-creator

[00:30:02] It's always there

[00:30:03] He retains residuals

[00:30:05] For all aspects of the show

[00:30:07] Impermptuity

[00:30:08] And so a

[00:30:09] Legend that I love

[00:30:11] Is that Jennifer Tilly has never

[00:30:12] Remaried because the second she remarries

[00:30:14] She stops becoming entitled to

[00:30:17] Spousal support

[00:30:18] Oh I see because they divorce

[00:30:19] But it's like right

[00:30:20] But now Sam Simon is deceased

[00:30:22] So I don't know

[00:30:23] Jennifer Tilly is also like

[00:30:24] Like

[00:30:25] A world series of poker

[00:30:27] Like winner

[00:30:28] Jennifer Tilly is like low key

[00:30:30] One of the best poker players in the world

[00:30:32] Jennifer Tilly is like swimming in money

[00:30:35] But I just always like the idea

[00:30:37] That like any man she ended up with

[00:30:39] Was just like just so you know

[00:30:41] There's no possible world in which we get married

[00:30:44] Cause I'm on that Simpsons train

[00:30:46] Hey I don't know I mean look

[00:30:47] If you got it flaunt it yeah

[00:30:49] Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershaw

[00:30:51] I think both fall into a category

[00:30:52] They're like loaded gun actors for me

[00:30:54] Where it's like

[00:30:55] It's a lot of responsibility

[00:30:57] If you're gonna put them in a movie

[00:30:58] You gotta know how to use them

[00:30:59] This is the thing

[00:31:00] I don't want to dis-either them

[00:31:01] Cause they're both fantastic

[00:31:02] I'm not dissing you either

[00:31:03] No I know you're not

[00:31:04] But it's like if you look at Jennifer Tilly

[00:31:05] Is like IMDB page

[00:31:07] It's just like there are these nice little moments

[00:31:09] In it like bullets over the Broadway

[00:31:11] Bullets over the Broadway

[00:31:12] Bullets over the Broadway

[00:31:13] Celia in Monsters Inc

[00:31:15] Celia the receptionist

[00:31:16] She's got one of the most distinctive voices

[00:31:19] Like you could still do a Jennifer Tilly impression

[00:31:21] And people would still get it

[00:31:22] Even though Jennifer Tilly is not like

[00:31:24] In a lot of movies these days

[00:31:26] You could do a Jennifer Tilly

[00:31:27] It's pretty good

[00:31:28] It's pretty good

[00:31:29] A little breath here but it's pretty good

[00:31:31] Jennifer Tilly

[00:31:32] You know and then like she's in like

[00:31:33] Bride of Chucky

[00:31:34] But she's also in

[00:31:35] 50 million other movies

[00:31:37] That you've never heard of

[00:31:38] Correct

[00:31:39] Love her

[00:31:40] I mean she's in Liar Liar

[00:31:41] Which I've seen a million times

[00:31:42] Yes

[00:31:43] And she's very funny

[00:31:44] I mean I'm not dissing either actress

[00:31:46] But I think they both

[00:31:47] Gina Gershon is like more of like

[00:31:49] A great classy stage actress

[00:31:51] Who does like all this amazing stuff

[00:31:53] On Broadway and off Broadway

[00:31:54] And then also kind of like

[00:31:56] A queen of Hollywood trash

[00:31:58] For some reason

[00:31:59] Right

[00:32:00] As a movie start

[00:32:01] Let's just say

[00:32:02] The Gina Gershon like Hollywood persona

[00:32:04] As a character

[00:32:05] In line with like the Jennifer Tilly persona

[00:32:07] Are both things where like

[00:32:09] I think they're incredibly

[00:32:11] Strong actresses

[00:32:13] So good

[00:32:14] When well used

[00:32:15] But in the hands of bad directors

[00:32:17] They can both be catastrophic

[00:32:18] Yeah cause the bad directors

[00:32:19] Or you know we'll just be like

[00:32:20] Yeah you'll just play like

[00:32:21] The other woman

[00:32:22] Or you'll play like

[00:32:23] Some sort of like tempting lady

[00:32:25] Or like some kind of mean Hollywood lady

[00:32:27] Or something

[00:32:28] I don't know

[00:32:29] She's in what she's in like

[00:32:30] Let me look at her now

[00:32:31] She's in like red heat and cocktail

[00:32:32] She's in the player

[00:32:34] Those are like her early roles

[00:32:36] And then after again

[00:32:37] It's like after

[00:32:39] That nice year with Bound

[00:32:41] It's like

[00:32:42] What's she like the 14th lead in face off

[00:32:44] What is she in face off

[00:32:45] Oh she is Nicholas Cage's baby mama

[00:32:48] In that film

[00:32:49] Right right right

[00:32:50] Who John Travolta as Cage

[00:32:52] Like teams up with

[00:32:53] You know she's like pops up in good movies

[00:32:55] Like the insider

[00:32:56] But she's not like a major part of them

[00:32:58] I'm sorry

[00:32:59] I just need to correct my previous statement

[00:33:00] Do you know who Gina Gershon is in face off

[00:33:02] Sure

[00:33:03] She's the person to whom

[00:33:04] Nicholas Cage says

[00:33:05] I'm gonna take his face off

[00:33:07] Oh yeah that's right

[00:33:08] That immortal line is delivered to

[00:33:10] Gina Gershon

[00:33:11] With the hand motion

[00:33:12] Yeah for the listener at home

[00:33:13] We're doing the motion

[00:33:15] But you know I mean again

[00:33:17] You know she's like a Tony nominee actress

[00:33:19] I love Gina Gershon

[00:33:21] I do too but yeah

[00:33:22] People can misuse her

[00:33:23] It's a loaded gun

[00:33:24] You know it's like

[00:33:25] You've really gone down a long road

[00:33:26] With these two actresses

[00:33:27] I think it's important to state

[00:33:28] Because it's like if you

[00:33:30] Walk in through a video store

[00:33:32] In 1997 and you see a box

[00:33:34] And it's like oh here's an erotic thriller

[00:33:35] Starting Jennifer Tilley and Gina Gershon

[00:33:37] You go ooh that sounds dangerous

[00:33:39] I mean it sounds

[00:33:40] That's risky

[00:33:41] That's a good call

[00:33:42] I mean in England it's rated 18

[00:33:44] Which is in England the highest rating

[00:33:46] You know in things aren't rated R

[00:33:47] They're rated like 15 or 18

[00:33:49] Most movies are rated 15

[00:33:51] You have to be extremely violent

[00:33:53] Or extremely explicitly sexual

[00:33:55] To get an 18

[00:33:56] It's got a bit of both

[00:33:57] And it's got a little bit of both

[00:33:58] And 18 is like a red

[00:34:00] Like circle with an 18 in it

[00:34:02] So it really kind of has like

[00:34:04] A slightly scarlet lettery

[00:34:05] Like this is a you know intense

[00:34:07] Bad movie

[00:34:08] And so when you see it on the VHS

[00:34:10] Shelf you're like ooh okay alright

[00:34:12] This looks gamey

[00:34:13] You know and like the tagline

[00:34:15] On the poster is sex and crime forever

[00:34:18] That's the tagline

[00:34:20] Yeah I don't know what kind of a

[00:34:22] Tagline that's supposed to be

[00:34:23] And the poster is like them tied together

[00:34:26] In like this very sort of like

[00:34:28] Sort of suggestive SNM way

[00:34:30] Where in the movie the like

[00:34:32] The titular moment where they're bound

[00:34:34] Is very much like a terrifying

[00:34:36] Upsetting thing

[00:34:38] Like it's not like a like

[00:34:39] Ooh we're binding each other

[00:34:40] So let's move on from perception

[00:34:42] And move into the actual movie

[00:34:44] Which is great

[00:34:45] This movie is fucking great

[00:34:46] So good

[00:34:47] This movie is so so strong

[00:34:48] It's like an insane debut film

[00:34:50] Yeah I mean I just

[00:34:52] I tried to watch this

[00:34:54] I had never seen this film before

[00:34:56] I thought I had but I now

[00:34:58] Yeah I thought I had too

[00:34:59] I think I'd only seen certain scenes

[00:35:01] Weirdly I had not

[00:35:03] As much as like yeah I'm sure

[00:35:05] You know obviously it has like a couple of

[00:35:07] Really just one sex scene that's kind of like

[00:35:09] Yeah it's got one yeah

[00:35:10] It's like you know when you watch it

[00:35:12] You're like oh this is like a nicely done

[00:35:14] It's not like a particularly like

[00:35:16] Over the top like

[00:35:19] Ooh

[00:35:20] Oh I agree

[00:35:21] Yes when I was like

[00:35:22] That's the word I'm looking for

[00:35:23] Like cheesy

[00:35:24] Cheesy

[00:35:25] Yeah yeah sex scene

[00:35:26] When I was like 14 or 15

[00:35:28] I was like ooh this scene sounds great

[00:35:30] Like looked it up, found it

[00:35:31] You know probably downloaded off

[00:35:33] Or whatever it was you know

[00:35:35] It wasn't hosted in any sites or whatever

[00:35:37] And then watched it and I was like

[00:35:39] This is disappointing

[00:35:40] I will acknowledge by the way

[00:35:41] It is outrageous and offensive

[00:35:43] That the two of us, two boring straight guys

[00:35:45] Would suck

[00:35:47] Are talking about this fucking landmark movie

[00:35:49] I know I know

[00:35:50] It sucks

[00:35:51] Like an important cornerstone

[00:35:52] I'd rather have a guest on this episode

[00:35:54] But our timing has been terrible

[00:35:56] Terrible

[00:35:57] You know it's just terrible

[00:35:58] Terrible

[00:35:59] Yeah that's another piece of housekeeping

[00:36:01] Here just like table setting

[00:36:03] Because my schedule is a little crazy right now

[00:36:05] This might be a guest light season

[00:36:07] That's fine we're great

[00:36:09] But this episode I'm just particularly upset

[00:36:11] I know we're a bunch of jammokes

[00:36:13] And we shouldn't be fucking talking about this

[00:36:15] Anyway

[00:36:16] But we love it

[00:36:17] Yeah no it's a great movie

[00:36:18] What I was gonna say was

[00:36:19] I watched the scene when I was 15

[00:36:20] I was like eh

[00:36:21] What's the big whoop

[00:36:22] And then I watched the scene in the context of this movie

[00:36:23] And I was like that's a great piece of cinema

[00:36:24] Oh it's awesome

[00:36:25] You know what I'm saying

[00:36:26] Like as masturbatory material

[00:36:27] Oh boy

[00:36:28] Oh boy

[00:36:29] Like most

[00:36:30] Masturbatory

[00:36:31] That's not how you pronounce that made up word

[00:36:33] Like most great art

[00:36:35] If you're looking to masturbate

[00:36:37] You'll be disappointed

[00:36:39] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:36:40] I do

[00:36:41] The best art should not be masturbated to

[00:36:43] I just wanna collide past this as quickly as we can

[00:36:45] Masturbatory

[00:36:46] No but I know what you mean

[00:36:47] Yeah I mean it's actually a well done scene

[00:36:49] It's a great fucking scene

[00:36:50] It's not a scene meant for a 15 year old

[00:36:52] To download off Kazawa

[00:36:54] Right it's a real piece of cinema

[00:36:56] Wachowski's worked with

[00:36:59] A sex educator called

[00:37:02] Susie Bright

[00:37:03] Who's like a legend in the

[00:37:05] You know like

[00:37:08] Sex education

[00:37:10] She's like a feminist writer

[00:37:12] Like you know and they were like big fans of hers

[00:37:14] And they wanted to like

[00:37:17] Get the scenes right

[00:37:18] I don't know how

[00:37:19] You know I mean I think both Tilly

[00:37:20] And Gershner straight actresses

[00:37:23] I'm pretty sure

[00:37:25] I don't actually have

[00:37:26] I mean to Sam Simon you know

[00:37:28] It looks slight in scale

[00:37:30] I mean we all exist in shades of grey David

[00:37:32] I think the Wachowskis were pretty intent

[00:37:34] On not making a gross

[00:37:36] Porny lesbian thriller

[00:37:38] That was just about boobs

[00:37:40] You know and like they wanted to get the sex scenes right

[00:37:42] There's lots of focus on hands

[00:37:44] Susie Bright has talked about

[00:37:46] Like that this is a wet movie rather than a hard movie

[00:37:48] Like if that makes sense

[00:37:50] Yeah that makes sense it's interesting

[00:37:51] It's not like this like aggressive male

[00:37:52] Sort of like sex thriller

[00:37:54] And it works

[00:37:56] I'll say this it's

[00:37:57] And like you know the bar scene

[00:37:59] Where Gina Gershner goes to the gay bar

[00:38:00] Like that is all Susie Bright's buddies

[00:38:02] Including Susie Bright

[00:38:03] Like all the customers

[00:38:05] You know all the patrons who

[00:38:06] Gina Gershner is trying to hook up with

[00:38:07] Susie Bright is the one

[00:38:08] Cause I looked at her TV

[00:38:09] I believe Susie Bright is the one

[00:38:10] That she hits on

[00:38:11] Yeah yeah

[00:38:12] I will say this

[00:38:14] I do think this is maybe the most

[00:38:16] Erotic film I've ever seen

[00:38:17] But it's like intellectually erotic

[00:38:20] It's a great movie

[00:38:21] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:38:22] Yeah

[00:38:23] Like yeah okay we're watching two pretty ladies kiss

[00:38:25] You know I'm human

[00:38:27] Gets a rise out of me whatever

[00:38:29] You know

[00:38:30] Ben do you have anything to say about this

[00:38:32] Um I mean Gina Gershner

[00:38:34] I just wanted to cut that off

[00:38:35] Gina Gershner I gotta tell you

[00:38:37] As a 90's kid

[00:38:38] I had a major 90's boner

[00:38:40] Telling you right now

[00:38:41] Well because like in show girls

[00:38:43] Which is such a gross episode

[00:38:45] I really want to move past this

[00:38:46] Cause this is a great episode

[00:38:47] This is so incredibly

[00:38:48] Yeah it's crappy

[00:38:49] And I'm not into it

[00:38:50] No

[00:38:51] What I mean to say is

[00:38:52] I found this film almost unbearably erotic

[00:38:55] Because of David

[00:38:57] David

[00:38:58] Yeah yeah yeah

[00:38:59] The way

[00:39:00] The Wachowskis

[00:39:01] Film it

[00:39:02] Edit it

[00:39:03] And sort of create the tension

[00:39:04] And the chemistry between the two of them

[00:39:06] It's not a very graphic movie

[00:39:08] And thus we will move on

[00:39:11] Right

[00:39:12] But I'm saying this film like

[00:39:13] Builds up like a fucking like a hot kettle

[00:39:15] You know it's like steaming up

[00:39:16] Well the thing about this movie is

[00:39:18] I think if you went into it

[00:39:20] You would think like

[00:39:21] Oh like these two are going to get together at the end

[00:39:23] And it's going to be like

[00:39:24] This sort of big like climactic thing

[00:39:26] Where like their romance kind of finally like

[00:39:28] Comes into the forefront of the movie

[00:39:30] It's like minute 20

[00:39:31] Yeah it's basically the movie is like

[00:39:32] Gina Gershwin she's out of jail

[00:39:33] She's playing a

[00:39:35] The character's name is Corky

[00:39:36] Which is really fun

[00:39:37] A work a day jobber called Corky

[00:39:39] An ex-con

[00:39:40] Yeah fresh out she's

[00:39:41] She's working for a mafioso

[00:39:43] Sort of doing maintenance in the building

[00:39:45] Yeah and she's basically cleaning up some apartment

[00:39:47] You know

[00:39:48] Like that's now empty

[00:39:49] Right

[00:39:50] And next door lives

[00:39:52] Sort of like you know

[00:39:54] A capo you know some mafia guy

[00:39:56] Name Caesar

[00:39:57] Name Caesar played by the

[00:39:59] Wonderful Joe Pantaleano

[00:40:01] How do you say that's how you say him

[00:40:02] Pantaleano you know he's the best

[00:40:04] Joey Pants

[00:40:05] Joey Pants the legendary Joey Pants

[00:40:07] Who would be in the matrix later

[00:40:08] And obviously he's in the Sopranos

[00:40:09] He's in the future

[00:40:10] If he's in the Zillion Fuckin'

[00:40:11] Risky Business

[00:40:13] He's also he's great at Midnight Run

[00:40:15] He's great at Midnight Run

[00:40:16] Got the Duke

[00:40:17] Yeah I mean he's

[00:40:18] He's always been a classic like

[00:40:21] Angry little Italian guy

[00:40:23] He's in Memento

[00:40:24] He's wonderful in Memento

[00:40:25] Yes

[00:40:26] Oh he's so good in that

[00:40:27] I forgot about that

[00:40:28] But this is like kind of like a perfect

[00:40:31] Vehicle for him

[00:40:32] Like they just like perfectly

[00:40:34] Harness everything that's incredible about him

[00:40:36] Yeah absolutely

[00:40:37] And they gave him a lot

[00:40:39] I mean he is not a supporting character

[00:40:41] He is almost the third league

[00:40:42] He's third bill and I'd argue

[00:40:43] He's almost an equal lead of the film

[00:40:45] Yeah absolutely

[00:40:46] It's always interesting because it also

[00:40:47] It hands off spotlight

[00:40:48] Right right

[00:40:49] Corky is kind of the main character

[00:40:50] For the first 30 minutes

[00:40:51] And then Jennifer Tilly's character

[00:40:53] Violet is kind of the main character

[00:40:55] In the middle where she's there

[00:40:56] Sort of hatching this plot

[00:40:58] And then Caesar's kind of the big

[00:41:00] Character at the end

[00:41:01] I would agree the third act

[00:41:02] I think is really his spotlight

[00:41:04] It's a pretty tight

[00:41:05] I was going to say it's like

[00:41:07] An hour 40

[00:41:08] It's like an hour 50

[00:41:09] Yeah it's pretty long actually

[00:41:10] But anyway so

[00:41:12] Corky's next door in this empty apartment

[00:41:14] She meets her neighbors

[00:41:15] Who are Caesar, this mob guy

[00:41:16] And Violet is like basically

[00:41:18] Who's basically like a gangsters mall

[00:41:20] Like you know she's like

[00:41:22] Sort of dressed to the nines at all times

[00:41:24] And she's very obviously like

[00:41:26] They've been together for years

[00:41:27] But she sort of serves this like

[00:41:28] Arm candy function

[00:41:29] Yes she's like a gangsters mall

[00:41:32] There's this great scene early

[00:41:34] Well no go ahead

[00:41:35] No what were you going to say

[00:41:36] I was going to set up something further

[00:41:37] Yeah

[00:41:38] Well there's this great scene early

[00:41:39] Well I mean basically Corky

[00:41:40] Who is like obviously like

[00:41:42] An openly gay woman

[00:41:43] Like pretty early on

[00:41:45] Hooks up with Violet

[00:41:47] And then I love this scene

[00:41:48] Where Caesar comes home

[00:41:50] Yeah

[00:41:51] And they're kind of

[00:41:52] You know just in the apartment

[00:41:53] And he reacts to Corky

[00:41:54] Who he thinks is a man

[00:41:55] Because it's like dark and

[00:41:56] White beater short hair from behind

[00:41:58] Right and he's like

[00:41:59] Hey what the fuck

[00:42:00] And it's like you know

[00:42:01] There's just this weird like

[00:42:02] It all it just

[00:42:04] It's all there that like

[00:42:05] Caesar's like you are my property

[00:42:06] And you are not allowed to be

[00:42:07] With any man

[00:42:08] Like clothed, not clothed

[00:42:10] In this apartment no

[00:42:12] Then she turns around

[00:42:13] He sees it's a woman

[00:42:14] And he goes like

[00:42:15] Oh god

[00:42:16] Oh and he's like forget it

[00:42:17] Oh so yeah

[00:42:18] Never mind

[00:42:19] And it's just

[00:42:20] It's like it's a great scene

[00:42:21] To just set up like

[00:42:22] Yep this is an antiquated person

[00:42:23] Yeah

[00:42:24] Like the idea that

[00:42:25] Violet would be gay

[00:42:26] Or anything like that

[00:42:27] Yeah

[00:42:28] Never even enter his brain

[00:42:29] Yeah

[00:42:30] But it's just like

[00:42:31] If you are in here with

[00:42:32] Another man

[00:42:33] Like you are dead meat

[00:42:34] Even if you're

[00:42:35] We've been together for years

[00:42:36] Like it doesn't matter

[00:42:37] There's a lot of really sharp

[00:42:38] Economical storytelling

[00:42:39] In this movie

[00:42:40] And it's also like

[00:42:41] It's one of these thrillers

[00:42:42] It's just like

[00:42:43] Tight as a drum

[00:42:44] Like it runs

[00:42:45] Like a clock

[00:42:46] You know

[00:42:47] And

[00:42:48] Especially since it's really

[00:42:49] There's one scene where

[00:42:50] Korky goes into this gay bar

[00:42:51] As we said

[00:42:52] Yeah

[00:42:53] That I think is really

[00:42:54] Just there for kind of color

[00:42:55] And like just

[00:42:56] A little bit of characterization

[00:42:57] Well that's also the first

[00:42:58] Time we find out

[00:42:59] No

[00:43:00] That's not the first time

[00:43:01] We find out

[00:43:02] But there's that great scene

[00:43:03] Where she goes in

[00:43:04] She goes up to the woman

[00:43:05] She starts hitting on her

[00:43:06] The other woman comes up

[00:43:07] Oh we find out she's an ex con

[00:43:08] Exactly

[00:43:09] That's where you find out there

[00:43:10] Right

[00:43:11] So that is

[00:43:12] She's hitting on one woman

[00:43:13] Another woman comes over and goes like

[00:43:14] Oh Korky

[00:43:15] Huh

[00:43:16] I didn't know you were out so soon

[00:43:17] And then flashes her badge

[00:43:18] And Korky's immediately like

[00:43:19] Okay

[00:43:20] But if you get tired of

[00:43:21] Kagnie and Lacy come find me

[00:43:22] You know

[00:43:23] Yes

[00:43:24] So you get a sense of her character

[00:43:25] Her attitude

[00:43:26] Her sexuality

[00:43:27] The way she interacts

[00:43:28] With other people

[00:43:29] You know

[00:43:30] This is a woman who doesn't

[00:43:31] Fuck around

[00:43:32] And she's an ex con

[00:43:33] Right

[00:43:34] And she

[00:43:35] And she's not flustered

[00:43:36] She just takes her

[00:43:37] And she comes to the bar

[00:43:38] And she's like

[00:43:39] I'm looking to get laid

[00:43:40] And

[00:43:41] But what I was going to say

[00:43:42] Is apart from that scene

[00:43:43] Mostly this takes place

[00:43:44] In these two apartments

[00:43:45] Correct

[00:43:46] In this empty apartment Korky's

[00:43:47] Working on

[00:43:48] Yeah

[00:43:49] And this kind of lavish mobster

[00:43:50] Apartment that's next door

[00:43:51] Yeah

[00:43:52] Other than that

[00:43:53] The rules are thin

[00:43:54] Other than that

[00:43:55] As we keep

[00:43:56] Well that's the thing

[00:43:57] I want to set up

[00:43:58] That's a crucial thing

[00:43:59] Which I love in this movie

[00:44:00] Now this movie is shot by

[00:44:01] Bill Pope

[00:44:02] The great Bill Pope

[00:44:03] Who is a great cinematographer

[00:44:04] Who's like the master

[00:44:05] Of like in-camera effects

[00:44:06] He likes shot

[00:44:07] The Matrix he shot

[00:44:08] Spider-Man

[00:44:09] Spider-Man 2 I think

[00:44:10] I think he shot also

[00:44:11] The Ramy ones

[00:44:12] Cause he's a Ramy guy

[00:44:13] He did Army of Darkness

[00:44:14] He did Dark Man

[00:44:15] He shot Scott Pilgrim

[00:44:16] Versus the world

[00:44:17] He's the fucking best

[00:44:18] And he did

[00:44:19] He's one of the most underrated

[00:44:20] Cinematographers alive

[00:44:21] He's never been nominated

[00:44:22] For an Oscar

[00:44:23] Which drives me crazy

[00:44:24] He shot Freaks and Geeks

[00:44:25] Yeah

[00:44:26] I believe he shot the pilot

[00:44:27] So he like set the look for it

[00:44:28] Right

[00:44:29] The other thing he shot

[00:44:30] I think one of the most

[00:44:31] Underrated cinematography jobs

[00:44:32] Of the last 40 years

[00:44:33] He shot Team America

[00:44:34] Oh yeah

[00:44:35] Right

[00:44:36] Another tough one

[00:44:37] Which is like making

[00:44:38] He like made it genuinely look

[00:44:40] Like a Michael Bay film

[00:44:42] Yeah

[00:44:43] No I agree with you

[00:44:44] The look is perfect

[00:44:45] Yeah it's crazy

[00:44:46] But uh and uh

[00:44:48] He's got all these

[00:44:49] Sort of camera passes

[00:44:50] I mean like you say it's obvious

[00:44:51] Soundstage where he'll like

[00:44:52] Sort of jump from one apartment

[00:44:53] To the other

[00:44:54] And these seamless moves

[00:44:55] Like over the wall

[00:44:56] Basically

[00:44:57] Over the wall shot

[00:44:58] Just to give you an idea

[00:44:59] Like how tenuous the wall is

[00:45:00] And like how obvious the

[00:45:01] You know

[00:45:02] You can hear one through the other

[00:45:04] That's another thing

[00:45:05] I guess when I like keep on

[00:45:06] Harping about how erotic

[00:45:07] The movie is

[00:45:08] Half of it is that

[00:45:09] No but half of it is

[00:45:10] Rolling my eyes

[00:45:11] I have such a heart on it

[00:45:12] The fucking like

[00:45:13] Me's on set in this film

[00:45:14] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:45:15] Like the fucking craft in this film

[00:45:17] Like we're saying

[00:45:18] It's the Wachowski's kind of

[00:45:19] Showing off

[00:45:20] Yeah

[00:45:21] Consciously or not

[00:45:22] And saying like

[00:45:23] Look what we did with a little money

[00:45:24] Yeah

[00:45:25] Imagine what we could do

[00:45:26] With a lot of money

[00:45:27] Yeah

[00:45:28] It's these two parallel rooms

[00:45:29] The wall's really thin

[00:45:30] They set that up early

[00:45:31] Which feels like a very

[00:45:32] Hitchcock-y device

[00:45:33] This whole movie feels

[00:45:34] Very Hitchcock-y to me

[00:45:35] And that it's like

[00:45:36] You know like

[00:45:37] The Noirie, Billy Wildermovie's

[00:45:38] Like Double-Ademinity

[00:45:39] I think are a big influence

[00:45:40] But there's that element of like

[00:45:42] Where it's like everyone's kind of

[00:45:43] A gangster

[00:45:44] You know and like

[00:45:45] So that kind of forgives

[00:45:46] Any obvious

[00:45:47] Because like Jennifer Tilley

[00:45:48] Violet just is like

[00:45:49] I want to have sex with you

[00:45:50] And Gina Gershwin's like

[00:45:51] Okay

[00:45:52] Even though it's like

[00:45:53] Dude

[00:45:54] Maybe a bad call

[00:45:55] Mobster's girlfriend

[00:45:56] Next door

[00:45:57] Like maybe you don't

[00:45:58] Want to do that

[00:45:59] But you're just like

[00:46:00] Well this is what's happening

[00:46:01] Because this is about

[00:46:02] Kind of edgy people

[00:46:03] But I also think that

[00:46:04] Scene at the gate bar

[00:46:05] Maybe you flirt with danger

[00:46:06] Literally

[00:46:07] Yes

[00:46:08] Fair enough

[00:46:09] That's true

[00:46:10] You know

[00:46:11] I think that's why that scene's important

[00:46:12] I also I think that

[00:46:13] God this is so good

[00:46:15] The fucking

[00:46:16] The thin wall thing

[00:46:17] It like it sets up like a language

[00:46:19] Going forward in the film

[00:46:20] So anytime any conversation

[00:46:21] Is happening on one side of the wall

[00:46:23] There's this immediate tension

[00:46:24] Of like

[00:46:25] Kind of be heard on the other side

[00:46:27] They use

[00:46:29] That like

[00:46:31] That fear

[00:46:32] That like unknown

[00:46:33] Of like what's happening

[00:46:34] On the other side of the wall

[00:46:35] A lot in the film

[00:46:36] You know

[00:46:37] And sometimes they call it out

[00:46:38] And they use it

[00:46:39] Sometimes it's the thing

[00:46:40] In the back of your mind

[00:46:41] There are these two phones

[00:46:42] That they used to communicate

[00:46:43] With each other

[00:46:44] That are like

[00:46:45] Right on the opposite

[00:46:46] Sides of the wall

[00:46:47] There's a great fucking scene

[00:46:48] Where they track from

[00:46:49] The phone cord on one side

[00:46:50] Of the wall through the wall

[00:46:51] To the

[00:46:52] Oh god

[00:46:53] Good movie

[00:46:54] Okay

[00:46:55] So

[00:46:56] But I was just about Bill Pope

[00:46:57] Just to finish

[00:46:58] This is a little anecdote

[00:46:59] They had another DP

[00:47:00] I don't know who

[00:47:01] Interesting

[00:47:02] To the camera moves he want

[00:47:03] With this budget

[00:47:04] Yeah

[00:47:05] And so he quit

[00:47:06] And Bill Pope was like

[00:47:07] Nah I can do it

[00:47:08] You know

[00:47:09] And like you know

[00:47:10] Like Bill Pope worked within a very

[00:47:11] Small budget to achieve

[00:47:12] Some fairly ambitious stuff

[00:47:13] But I think that's like

[00:47:14] The Ramey school

[00:47:15] You know like

[00:47:16] Ramey is like a guy

[00:47:17] Who does like crazy camera moves

[00:47:18] Like he has a very expressive camera

[00:47:20] And until Spider-Man

[00:47:21] He was doing it on a very limited budget

[00:47:23] Yeah

[00:47:24] And mind you like

[00:47:25] Spider-Man

[00:47:26] Well in The Matrix

[00:47:27] The Matrix is 99

[00:47:28] Yes yes

[00:47:29] Right I forgot

[00:47:30] Yes

[00:47:31] And then there was a movie

[00:47:32] That like he had a big budget

[00:47:33] And what did he do

[00:47:34] He like had this crazy

[00:47:35] Inventive like innovative idea

[00:47:38] Which was like

[00:47:39] What if we get a helicopter

[00:47:40] And a wire

[00:47:41] And we attach the camera to the

[00:47:43] Bottom of the wire on the helicopter

[00:47:45] Right and that will get that

[00:47:46] Sort of swinging

[00:47:47] And film the plates from that

[00:47:48] And then CGI Spider-Man

[00:47:49] Into it which is like

[00:47:50] Still the best depiction

[00:47:51] Of Spider-Man in motion

[00:47:52] In any of the films

[00:47:53] It's true

[00:47:54] Like just those sequences

[00:47:55] Are so perfectly realized

[00:47:57] Anyhow

[00:47:59] Back to bound

[00:48:00] Bound's great movie

[00:48:02] And so the plot is

[00:48:05] Let me just

[00:48:06] I'll just recap the plot real quick

[00:48:07] Sure

[00:48:08] So you've got these two women

[00:48:09] And they meet

[00:48:10] And they hook up real fast

[00:48:12] And maybe they're not in love

[00:48:14] With each other exactly

[00:48:15] Like it's not like they're just professing

[00:48:16] Like oh you're the greatest woman

[00:48:17] Remember real energy there

[00:48:18] But there's a strong connection

[00:48:19] Yeah

[00:48:20] That is like very apparent

[00:48:22] And very well played by both Tilly

[00:48:24] And Gershaw

[00:48:25] Gina Gershaw in fact

[00:48:26] Very early on in the film

[00:48:27] She's fucking good in this movie

[00:48:28] Yes

[00:48:29] And the film says like

[00:48:30] We're very different people

[00:48:31] Right

[00:48:32] You know

[00:48:33] Like you're

[00:48:34] She sort of implies that Jennifer Tilly

[00:48:35] Is like looking for an experience

[00:48:36] Well and there's also this judgment

[00:48:37] That I love where

[00:48:39] Gina Gershaw

[00:48:40] Like she can hear Jennifer Tilly

[00:48:41] Having sex through the walls

[00:48:42] With multiple partners

[00:48:43] I believe

[00:48:44] Yes

[00:48:45] I think there's the implication

[00:48:46] Different men of this sort of crime family

[00:48:47] And she's like

[00:48:48] Kind of like

[00:48:49] You know

[00:48:50] What am I going to do

[00:48:51] And Jennifer Tilly

[00:48:52] Pretty like dresses her down

[00:48:53] And sort of like

[00:48:54] You know

[00:48:55] I'm not judging you

[00:48:56] You don't judge me

[00:48:57] That's my job

[00:48:58] And it's a situation I have

[00:48:59] But it's work

[00:49:00] We both have done in our lives

[00:49:02] What we need to do is survive

[00:49:03] Like you ended up in jail

[00:49:04] And this is my jail

[00:49:05] It's like being stuck in this apartment

[00:49:07] With these shitty men

[00:49:08] You know

[00:49:09] Right

[00:49:10] But very

[00:49:11] That's the thing

[00:49:12] This beautiful thing in the film

[00:49:13] Is very early on

[00:49:14] Gershaw is like attracted to her

[00:49:15] But it's like

[00:49:16] We're fundamentally different people

[00:49:17] And the movie is them

[00:49:18] Starting to realize

[00:49:19] How similar they are

[00:49:20] Which is that lion

[00:49:21] I mangled at the beginning of the episode

[00:49:23] Was like this idea of them becoming

[00:49:25] Like one

[00:49:27] You know

[00:49:28] Yeah, bound

[00:49:29] Yeah, bound together

[00:49:32] But anyway

[00:49:33] So Tilly works with this mobster

[00:49:35] Lives with this mobster

[00:49:36] Right

[00:49:37] And

[00:49:39] She

[00:49:40] You know

[00:49:41] He has a bag of money

[00:49:43] Yeah

[00:49:44] He has a bag of money

[00:49:45] That's covered in blood

[00:49:46] All movies should just have a bag of money

[00:49:47] Bag of money

[00:49:48] It's two million bucks in a paper bag

[00:49:50] Yeah

[00:49:51] It's covered in blood

[00:49:52] Because a sort of

[00:49:53] More wacko mobster

[00:49:55] Who's a little like, you know

[00:49:56] Off the rails

[00:49:57] Played by Christopher

[00:49:58] Young Christopher Maloney

[00:49:59] The great Chris Maloney

[00:50:00] One of his earliest roles

[00:50:01] One of our finest actors

[00:50:02] He shot someone in vicinity

[00:50:04] To this bag of money

[00:50:05] And so the bag of money is covered in blood

[00:50:06] So Corky, I mean not Corky

[00:50:08] Caesar

[00:50:09] The mobster has to

[00:50:10] Literally launder the money

[00:50:11] And make it clean again

[00:50:12] But in like a perfect encapsulation

[00:50:14] Of how this film is

[00:50:16] No detail is unimportant

[00:50:18] Like everything serves a larger purpose

[00:50:21] That becomes this point of animosity

[00:50:24] Between the two of them

[00:50:26] Where it's like, you made me

[00:50:28] Have to clean this money

[00:50:29] Right

[00:50:30] Because you got overzealous

[00:50:31] And attacking this guy

[00:50:32] You shot a guy, yeah right

[00:50:33] Right

[00:50:34] And then it's like a Joey Pants

[00:50:35] Punches Maloney to get

[00:50:37] Like as punishment

[00:50:39] For the thing

[00:50:40] Yes

[00:50:41] So there's this tension

[00:50:42] Between the two of them

[00:50:43] He's pissed off already

[00:50:44] Right

[00:50:45] So like Tilly knows about the money

[00:50:46] And Tilly notices this

[00:50:47] Sees the tension

[00:50:48] And is like

[00:50:49] There's room to play here

[00:50:50] And Glistegershin says

[00:50:51] We can exploit this

[00:50:52] We can basically

[00:50:53] Take the money

[00:50:54] Yeah

[00:50:55] And I can imply to Caesar

[00:50:56] That Chris Maloney took the money

[00:50:58] Right

[00:50:59] And you know

[00:51:00] While we were out

[00:51:01] And then that will be enough

[00:51:03] You know he'll realize

[00:51:04] That he's in trouble

[00:51:05] And he'll get out of town

[00:51:06] Chris Maloney's dad is like

[00:51:08] The chief

[00:51:09] The Godfather

[00:51:10] Right

[00:51:11] And the idea is

[00:51:12] That if the money's missing

[00:51:13] He'll know Maloney took it

[00:51:15] Or if he thinks Maloney

[00:51:16] Pants will know that Maloney took it

[00:51:18] But Pants will also know

[00:51:20] That they'll think that he

[00:51:21] Can't win

[00:51:22] Right

[00:51:23] So he's like

[00:51:24] All he can do is go on the run

[00:51:25] And then they

[00:51:26] That's their plan

[00:51:27] Run away with the money

[00:51:28] And become happy

[00:51:29] Happy people together

[00:51:30] Living their own free life

[00:51:31] For the first time

[00:51:32] Not having to make these concessions

[00:51:33] To play the game

[00:51:34] So it's a fairly simple plan

[00:51:35] The plan is essentially

[00:51:36] We steal the money

[00:51:37] Yeah

[00:51:38] And then we leave together

[00:51:39] When you're watching the movie

[00:51:40] You're like

[00:51:41] Well this is riddled

[00:51:42] With problems

[00:51:43] This plan

[00:51:44] It's an overly simple plan

[00:51:45] But nonetheless

[00:51:46] What works about the movie

[00:51:47] Is there's not like

[00:51:48] This is not some Ocean's 11 shit

[00:51:50] No

[00:51:51] Like if you're looking for money

[00:51:52] Yeah

[00:51:53] Violet's gonna make Joey Pants

[00:51:54] Think that the

[00:51:55] Another guy stole it

[00:51:56] Yeah

[00:51:57] And they're hoping

[00:51:58] That he's gonna take the hint

[00:51:59] And just get out of dodge

[00:52:00] And then they can

[00:52:01] Escape Scott Free with the assumption

[00:52:03] That the money just

[00:52:04] You know

[00:52:05] Fanish into thin air

[00:52:06] Right

[00:52:07] They'll spend their time

[00:52:08] Looking for pants

[00:52:09] Rather than looking for them

[00:52:10] Joey Pants thinks Maloney

[00:52:11] Took it

[00:52:12] The mobsters will think

[00:52:13] Joey Pants took it

[00:52:14] Like

[00:52:15] And it's sort of like

[00:52:16] No one will look to that

[00:52:17] It's when you go to one friend

[00:52:18] You know

[00:52:19] One friend's house

[00:52:20] Teenage switcheroo

[00:52:21] And the plan is so simple

[00:52:22] That the crux of it

[00:52:23] Like the fulcrum of their plan

[00:52:25] Revolves around a bottle of whiskey

[00:52:27] Yes

[00:52:28] Around Tilly dropping a bottle of whiskey

[00:52:29] So they have to go out and get some

[00:52:30] What if I break a bottle of whiskey

[00:52:31] And go out and get some

[00:52:32] What if I knew one

[00:52:33] And then pretend that I saw

[00:52:34] The guy outside

[00:52:35] Which will freak pants out

[00:52:36] And much like

[00:52:37] So much of this movie

[00:52:38] Which is like

[00:52:39] Bound up in identity

[00:52:41] Like

[00:52:42] Tilly, you know

[00:52:43] Violet is playing

[00:52:44] On this like

[00:52:45] Thing of like

[00:52:46] She knows that

[00:52:47] Caesar's gonna need

[00:52:48] A particular bottle of whiskey

[00:52:49] To impress this particular mobster

[00:52:51] Who's gonna come over

[00:52:52] And collect this money

[00:52:53] That's like

[00:52:54] Freshly laundered

[00:52:55] Everything needs to be right

[00:52:56] Everything needs to be perfect

[00:52:57] The money needs to be like

[00:52:58] Ironed, there's this great image

[00:52:59] Where they're hanging every

[00:53:00] Hundred dollar bill

[00:53:01] Over these like

[00:53:02] Clothes lines all over the apartment

[00:53:03] So good

[00:53:05] Good movie

[00:53:06] And like

[00:53:07] And as long as Tilly maintains

[00:53:09] This image of like

[00:53:10] Oh I'm just like

[00:53:11] Your ditzy girlfriend

[00:53:12] Who dropped a bottle of whiskey

[00:53:13] And like

[00:53:14] Uh oh, you know

[00:53:15] Then like

[00:53:16] They can carry this off

[00:53:17] So good

[00:53:18] Uh agreed

[00:53:19] And then of course it falls apart

[00:53:20] Everything goes

[00:53:21] To shit

[00:53:22] But it also goes to shit

[00:53:23] Pretty early on

[00:53:24] That's what's fun

[00:53:25] The whole thing happens

[00:53:26] In the middle of the movie

[00:53:27] Right, so like

[00:53:28] At like minute 40

[00:53:29] There are like

[00:53:30] Plans in place

[00:53:31] Here we go

[00:53:32] And by like minute 50

[00:53:33] Everything's fucked up

[00:53:34] And so the next hour

[00:53:35] Of the movie is like

[00:53:36] How do they get out of this

[00:53:37] As this just becomes worse

[00:53:38] And worse and worse

[00:53:39] And their plan was also

[00:53:40] Very much based around

[00:53:42] Their like

[00:53:44] Their sense of like

[00:53:46] Human intuition

[00:53:47] Like this is how we believe

[00:53:49] People are going to behave

[00:53:50] Right

[00:53:51] And they misjudge everyone

[00:53:52] You know, so it's like

[00:53:53] I guarantee you

[00:53:54] He's gonna do this

[00:53:55] She'll do this

[00:53:56] He'll do this

[00:53:57] Yeah, it's a lot of right

[00:53:58] Guessing at human motivations

[00:54:00] Right

[00:54:01] What happens

[00:54:02] Everything goes wrong

[00:54:03] Everything gets

[00:54:04] Maloney shows up

[00:54:05] With his mom

[00:54:06] With his godfather of a dad

[00:54:07] Right

[00:54:08] And

[00:54:09] Joey pants kinda snaps

[00:54:11] Thinking that he's

[00:54:12] Stolen the money

[00:54:13] Right

[00:54:14] Which they didn't think

[00:54:15] They would do in front of the dad

[00:54:16] They thought that he would just

[00:54:17] Take the bullet or run

[00:54:19] He calls them on it

[00:54:20] Yeah

[00:54:21] And in fit of rage

[00:54:23] He kills Maloney

[00:54:24] He shoots him dead

[00:54:25] And his father

[00:54:26] And then he shoots his dad dead

[00:54:27] Who's the Elchefe

[00:54:29] Yeah

[00:54:30] Who's played by

[00:54:31] I can't remember

[00:54:33] Elchefe

[00:54:34] Peter Spellos

[00:54:35] Yes, and then also

[00:54:36] A henchman

[00:54:37] He kills three big

[00:54:38] Important people

[00:54:39] And that like

[00:54:40] Sends the whole thing

[00:54:41] Off the rails

[00:54:42] Cause now he's like

[00:54:43] Okay

[00:54:44] How do I do this

[00:54:45] Like how do

[00:54:46] He's basically like

[00:54:47] How do I survive this

[00:54:48] Is there a way for me

[00:54:49] To get this money back somehow

[00:54:51] And at this point the movie

[00:54:52] Almost takes place in real time

[00:54:54] Like I'd say the next 45 minutes

[00:54:55] Maybe it'll take place in an hour

[00:54:56] And the crazy thing is

[00:54:57] It's just

[00:54:58] Joey pants and Tilly

[00:55:00] Gina Gershyn

[00:55:01] We cup to her

[00:55:02] Quietly

[00:55:03] On the other side of the wall

[00:55:04] On the other side of the wall

[00:55:05] She hides the money

[00:55:06] In a can of paint

[00:55:07] Which is brilliant

[00:55:08] Two cans of paint

[00:55:09] In plastic bags

[00:55:10] And she doesn't do anything

[00:55:11] She's always connected to the action

[00:55:13] She's not actually involved

[00:55:15] Yeah

[00:55:16] But there's this passing of the baton

[00:55:18] Like Gershyn's the main character

[00:55:20] The beginning of the film

[00:55:21] That when the plan starts to come into place

[00:55:22] Tilly it's like

[00:55:23] She's the one who's like

[00:55:24] We should do this

[00:55:25] And it becomes her film

[00:55:26] And then when things go off

[00:55:27] The rails

[00:55:28] It becomes pants' film

[00:55:29] Because it becomes this horror movie

[00:55:31] Of these two women being like

[00:55:32] Is there any way

[00:55:33] We can make this right again

[00:55:35] Right

[00:55:36] You know

[00:55:37] And also now because he's snapped

[00:55:38] It's like

[00:55:39] He could kill us

[00:55:40] Like all bets are off

[00:55:41] You know

[00:55:43] And he's also

[00:55:44] Becoming increasingly desperate

[00:55:46] And manic

[00:55:47] Right

[00:55:48] Which is like

[00:55:49] A great mode for Joey Pants to be in

[00:55:50] I mean that's a treat

[00:55:51] For us to watch

[00:55:52] Yeah

[00:55:53] I'll say this

[00:55:55] You see a lot of

[00:55:56] Joey Pants' body in this movie

[00:55:58] Yeah

[00:55:59] There's a whole scene

[00:56:00] Where he's in a towel

[00:56:01] Yeah but he's like

[00:56:02] Holding the towel just

[00:56:03] In front of his dick

[00:56:04] It's like you see

[00:56:05] All other parts

[00:56:06] But then there's a subsequent scene

[00:56:07] Where he

[00:56:08] Like a ten minute

[00:56:09] Like tension

[00:56:10] It's not longer

[00:56:11] He's showing

[00:56:12] Like having a showdown with another mobster

[00:56:13] Yeah

[00:56:14] Where he's just wrapped in a towel

[00:56:15] The whole time

[00:56:16] But there is one scene where he is holding

[00:56:17] A towel in a way

[00:56:18] I've never seen someone hold a towel

[00:56:19] Before in my life

[00:56:20] Which is just like

[00:56:21] Lightly in front of his wiener

[00:56:24] I've done that

[00:56:25] You see like the sides of his hips

[00:56:27] Like you see like everything else

[00:56:28] He's just like draping it

[00:56:29] Yeah

[00:56:30] I love Joey Pants

[00:56:31] Great actor

[00:56:33] Did you know that he

[00:56:35] Wrote

[00:56:36] He founded a nonprofit organization

[00:56:37] Called

[00:56:38] No kidding me too

[00:56:39] Did you know that?

[00:56:40] About

[00:56:41] People in the entertainment industry

[00:56:43] Who have suffered from clinical depression

[00:56:46] And the idea is like when you say

[00:56:48] Like well actually

[00:56:49] I've suffered from depression in my life

[00:56:51] And like when you say that to someone

[00:56:52] The other person goes

[00:56:53] No kidding me too

[00:56:55] Anyway I love Joey Pants

[00:56:56] I do too

[00:56:58] I think it was my buddy

[00:56:59] Jesse Knight

[00:57:00] Who is a film writer

[00:57:01] Jesse Ryan Knight

[00:57:02] Oh sorry

[00:57:03] He's kicking you

[00:57:04] He's fine

[00:57:05] God

[00:57:06] Don't worry about it

[00:57:07] I'm very you know

[00:57:08] Fidgety

[00:57:09] I'm very lucky today

[00:57:10] I think I hope I'm not misattributing this

[00:57:12] The wrong person

[00:57:13] I believe my buddy Jesse Ryan Knight

[00:57:14] Who's a great guy

[00:57:15] And a great film writer

[00:57:16] A great film writer

[00:57:17] I mean it sounds like

[00:57:18] What about him?

[00:57:19] He tweeted I can't believe

[00:57:20] It's been 10 years

[00:57:22] Since Joey Pants

[00:57:23] Wasn't even nominated for Bound

[00:57:26] He must have tweeted this

[00:57:27] 10 years ago

[00:57:28] You mean 20 years

[00:57:29] Oh yeah that's what I mean

[00:57:30] I don't know

[00:57:32] He should have been nominated

[00:57:33] Because he's great

[00:57:34] It's a great performance

[00:57:35] And it's like a full meal

[00:57:36] Like it's like a guy

[00:57:37] Getting a chance to really dig in

[00:57:39] In a way I don't think he'd gotten

[00:57:40] The chance before

[00:57:41] I mean but it's also a great

[00:57:43] A great like

[00:57:46] Portrait of

[00:57:48] Like at the beginning of the movie

[00:57:49] He's a big shot

[00:57:50] He's well dressed

[00:57:51] He's got this nice apartment

[00:57:52] He's got this nice girl

[00:57:54] And like

[00:57:55] Of like his masculinity

[00:57:56] His like

[00:57:57] His whole image

[00:57:58] Just being eaten away

[00:57:59] From the inside

[00:58:00] By like forces

[00:58:01] He doesn't even understand

[00:58:02] It's like fragile masculinity

[00:58:04] At its

[00:58:05] Most fragile

[00:58:06] His biggest flaw in this movie

[00:58:08] Is that he cannot conceive of the idea

[00:58:10] That Jennifer Tilly at Violet

[00:58:12] Would be working with Corky

[00:58:13] Right

[00:58:14] You know that they would have a connection

[00:58:15] Yeah

[00:58:16] That they would be in love

[00:58:17] Or anything like that

[00:58:18] I mean he eventually figures it out

[00:58:19] But it takes him

[00:58:21] I don't know an hour and 25 minutes

[00:58:23] Like it takes him most of the movie

[00:58:24] To figure it out

[00:58:25] Yeah because he

[00:58:26] He's so arrogant

[00:58:27] That he can't fathom the idea

[00:58:29] That Jennifer Tilly would want

[00:58:30] Anything other than to be

[00:58:31] With him forever

[00:58:33] Yes you know

[00:58:34] Even though like

[00:58:35] What the fuck does he offer her

[00:58:36] Like Jesus

[00:58:37] Right

[00:58:38] Well there's that great line

[00:58:39] Where he says like

[00:58:40] What does she offer you

[00:58:41] She gives me everything

[00:58:43] I'm gonna fucking misquote it

[00:58:45] But there's a part where it's like

[00:58:46] What does she give you that I can't

[00:58:48] And Jennifer Tilly I think says everything

[00:58:50] It's like something like that

[00:58:54] It's great

[00:58:55] It's a great movie

[00:58:56] I mean like let's not spoil the ending

[00:58:58] In detail

[00:58:59] I mean maybe we should

[00:59:00] I mean I don't know

[00:59:01] It's like

[00:59:03] There's this whole subsequent

[00:59:05] As we said like third act where

[00:59:07] Joey Pence is trying to hold it all together

[00:59:09] He's trying to act like the monsters

[00:59:10] Never showed at his apartment

[00:59:11] When they're actually like

[00:59:13] In the bathroom

[00:59:14] The bodies are like

[00:59:15] Being kept in the bathroom under the sink

[00:59:17] Yeah

[00:59:18] Like cops show up and they kind of get around the cops

[00:59:20] Because the cops heard like gunfire

[00:59:22] That's a great scene

[00:59:23] This is like such a Hitchcock-y sequence where they like

[00:59:25] So Hitchcock-y

[00:59:26] The cops come in

[00:59:27] Oh and Joey Pence pretends that he's hard of hearing

[00:59:30] And he has like a gangster movie on the TV

[00:59:32] And that's what the gunshots were

[00:59:34] It's great

[00:59:35] He's got a gun tucked into the back of his pants

[00:59:37] The whole time

[00:59:38] So you don't want him to turn around the whole time

[00:59:40] It's so weird though that Wachowski's never made another movie

[00:59:42] Like this

[00:59:43] That he's like so like hinges on those little

[00:59:45] Tense little like you know set ups

[00:59:47] It's so small and focused

[00:59:48] And like it's one of these movies where you have to

[00:59:50] Lean in and like pay attention to every detail

[00:59:52] Because it's like everything shifts

[00:59:54] The entire standing of the characters

[00:59:57] You know

[00:59:58] The sound

[00:59:59] God the fucking sound in this movie is unbelievable

[01:00:02] But they come in and Joey Pence is like

[01:00:04] You want a beer or something?

[01:00:06] And they're like no but I could use the bathroom

[01:00:08] Oh no

[01:00:09] And Pence is like

[01:00:10] Oh okay

[01:00:11] That's where the body is

[01:00:12] But he you know

[01:00:13] He knows he can't break character

[01:00:15] Right

[01:00:16] Guys great movie

[01:00:17] Dead bodies in the bathtub

[01:00:19] So the guy goes in the bathroom

[01:00:20] And you see blood dripping from the curtain

[01:00:22] And it's like

[01:00:23] Is he gonna notice

[01:00:24] And then the cops looking around

[01:00:25] And he's like

[01:00:26] Real nice apartment you got here

[01:00:27] And Joey Pence has just like moved all the furniture

[01:00:29] To cover up all the shit

[01:00:31] And you're like is he gonna notice

[01:00:32] And he's like nice place nice place

[01:00:34] He steps on a rug

[01:00:35] And the rug goes like

[01:00:36] Yeah

[01:00:37] And he put the rug over like this immense pool of blood

[01:00:40] So you see blood seeping out of the rug

[01:00:42] And getting on the guy's shoe

[01:00:44] And you're like is he gonna notice

[01:00:45] Is he gonna notice

[01:00:46] And so in these great movies where you're like

[01:00:48] In a dumber movie

[01:00:49] That would be like a hinge

[01:00:50] And that would become a plot point

[01:00:51] And he has to shoot the cops

[01:00:52] But this movie is like so much about like

[01:00:55] Things going wrong

[01:00:57] That you can't predict that also like

[01:00:59] Things go right

[01:01:00] The cops never notice that he's got like blood on his shoe

[01:01:02] Right and then these mobsters show up

[01:01:04] You know these like other mobsters

[01:01:06] The sort of major mob characters played by Joe

[01:01:09] John Ryan

[01:01:10] You know they show up being like

[01:01:13] Well where's the boss

[01:01:14] Like they never got the money

[01:01:15] You know

[01:01:16] And they have that dialogue where it's like

[01:01:18] Hey moved all the furniture around

[01:01:19] And like Joey Pence is like

[01:01:21] Yeah you know Jennifer Till you know Violet

[01:01:23] Violet want to impress everybody

[01:01:24] Yeah and they're like

[01:01:25] Ladies am I right

[01:01:26] You know like again they cannot conceive of the idea

[01:01:29] That the women around them would have any

[01:01:31] Independent sort of thought or action

[01:01:33] Are smarter than that

[01:01:34] Yeah whatever it be

[01:01:35] It's just like oh yeah cause she moved the furniture around

[01:01:37] Cause she's a dumb broad

[01:01:38] Hey you know it's the best

[01:01:40] It's very much a fragile masculinity movie

[01:01:43] And I also think

[01:01:45] Okay so here's something

[01:01:47] Once again as like a shitty stupid piece of garbage

[01:01:51] So you're gonna talk about eroticism again

[01:01:53] No but I mean I'm gonna try to talk about this in the correct way

[01:01:56] Right

[01:01:57] Cause I think this is an important thing

[01:01:58] I'm probably gonna fuck this up right

[01:02:01] You know there's a lot of

[01:02:04] I've read a lot of really good pieces

[01:02:06] About like the male gaze and cinema

[01:02:08] You know

[01:02:09] And how like most male directors

[01:02:11] If they sexualize a woman

[01:02:12] It's sort of very objectifying

[01:02:15] You know

[01:02:16] And this movie watching it

[01:02:17] Maybe it's through the prism of knowing everything we know now

[01:02:20] It is

[01:02:21] But I look at it

[01:02:22] It's very obsessed with their bodies

[01:02:23] Yeah I guess so

[01:02:24] And not in a titillating way

[01:02:25] You know I mean there's not very much nudity

[01:02:27] It's this one shot essentially

[01:02:29] Well the sex scene that I mean I think that everyone talks about

[01:02:32] It's this very cool like yeah camera move

[01:02:35] That sort of goes like down one side of the bed

[01:02:38] And loops around it like it's really well done

[01:02:41] Yes it's not the classic like pan down

[01:02:44] Like a person's naked body

[01:02:46] Right

[01:02:47] When I say the movies are obsessed with their bodies

[01:02:48] Your classic like red shoe diaries

[01:02:49] Yeah right

[01:02:50] When I say the movies are obsessed with their bodies

[01:02:51] I don't mean that like

[01:02:52] The movies are obsessed with their tits

[01:02:53] I mean like the movies are obsessed with their like

[01:02:56] Existence

[01:02:57] You know like them being human females

[01:03:00] And there's even like the first time they kiss

[01:03:03] Maybe my favorite shot in the entire film

[01:03:05] Is like their two lips essentially in shadow

[01:03:08] Like you just pretty much see their two lips

[01:03:10] And super close up

[01:03:11] Getting closer and closer to each other talking

[01:03:14] And I feel like the film at points like fragments

[01:03:16] Like oh god look at their hands

[01:03:17] Look at their feet

[01:03:18] Yeah there's a lot of focus on the hands

[01:03:21] Right

[01:03:22] But once again I'm speaking as a shitty white guy

[01:03:24] So you know right in if I'm wrong

[01:03:26] Straight guy

[01:03:27] You're a straight guy

[01:03:28] Right but I yeah the straight is more important

[01:03:30] Than a white guy

[01:03:31] Apparently you downloaded a scene from this movie

[01:03:32] From Kazah

[01:03:33] Yeah I was a piece of garbage

[01:03:34] You know whatever you're a teenager

[01:03:35] Yeah I was a teenager

[01:03:36] But um I look at this film

[01:03:39] And from my perspective

[01:03:41] Where I'm speaking from no point of like

[01:03:43] You know knowledge or intelligence from this place

[01:03:46] I can't speak for other people

[01:03:47] I feel like this film doesn't really have

[01:03:50] That same sort of male gaze

[01:03:52] I look at this movie and I think it shoots

[01:03:54] Yeah no it's a pretty good job not being

[01:03:56] It's very different

[01:03:57] And I think it is because you know

[01:04:00] For reasons that are now like a lot more obvious

[01:04:03] Not to psychoanalyze this thing too deeply

[01:04:05] This is a film made by two filmmakers

[01:04:07] Who have this like immense fascination

[01:04:09] And respect for the female body

[01:04:11] Yeah

[01:04:12] Not as like something to covet

[01:04:14] You know but as something of like this

[01:04:16] This is like

[01:04:17] Griffin made a point

[01:04:19] Made the point

[01:04:20] I think you did an okay job

[01:04:21] I did an okay job

[01:04:22] I should get out of here

[01:04:23] Okay it becomes problematic

[01:04:24] I'd like to add to this in the sense that

[01:04:27] I kind of saw this movie from a millennial

[01:04:31] Kind of perspective

[01:04:32] Uh huh

[01:04:33] Um so we left off talking about

[01:04:36] How the mobsters show up right

[01:04:38] The second batch of mobsters

[01:04:40] You did John Ryan mobster yeah

[01:04:42] I guess I couldn't help but just think

[01:04:44] Like situationally with this whole film

[01:04:46] Like if there were cell phones

[01:04:48] Oh yeah

[01:04:49] Like that kind of thing

[01:04:50] And it was like almost refreshing again

[01:04:52] Like to remember those days

[01:04:54] Uh it's just it's interesting with like

[01:04:56] Modern movies now we're gonna have to

[01:04:58] Deal with the fact that everyone can be in touch

[01:05:01] With everybody at all times

[01:05:03] There's a plot hinge in this movie

[01:05:05] That is the phone being off the hook

[01:05:07] Right

[01:05:08] Which is something that doesn't exist anymore

[01:05:10] Yeah it's correct

[01:05:11] The first one is I was on silent

[01:05:13] Like do you know what I'm saying

[01:05:15] Yeah it's weird to think that way

[01:05:17] But it's actually a thing now

[01:05:19] It's also interesting because the matrix is

[01:05:21] Literally all about cell phones

[01:05:23] And it was like the first movie to be about

[01:05:25] Like where the cell phone is this like powerful prop

[01:05:28] But there's also I mean the opening

[01:05:29] The number like owning the matrix phone

[01:05:31] Was like an early thing

[01:05:32] Like when kids started getting cell phones

[01:05:33] You get that slide

[01:05:34] Yeah yeah yeah

[01:05:35] Um but the opening of the matrix

[01:05:37] Is Trinity using a pay phone

[01:05:39] Rather than a cell phone

[01:05:40] I mean it's phone based

[01:05:41] We're talking about Bound

[01:05:42] Talking about Bound

[01:05:43] Great movie

[01:05:44] Um

[01:05:45] No but

[01:05:46] We'll get to the matrix

[01:05:47] You just I do agree with you Ben

[01:05:48] That like

[01:05:49] Ben?

[01:05:50] I agree with Ben

[01:05:51] Go ahead

[01:05:52] Ben Benjamin

[01:05:53] No don't do the whole thing

[01:05:54] Don't do the whole thing

[01:05:55] What are you talking about

[01:05:56] No I'm just gonna say your name

[01:05:57] Benjamin

[01:05:58] Yes sir

[01:05:59] I agree with you that like

[01:06:00] I see movies like this

[01:06:01] And I get depressed thinking about

[01:06:03] How much advancements in technology

[01:06:06] Have made plot lines like

[01:06:08] Unnecessarily simple

[01:06:10] You know because now anyone can do anything

[01:06:12] At any time essentially

[01:06:13] But there are also things where you're like

[01:06:15] A phone being off the hook that's so visual

[01:06:17] Well and the image of Corky

[01:06:19] In the empty apartment with just the phone

[01:06:21] On the floor is great

[01:06:22] And like she's basically just waiting

[01:06:24] For you know like it's all to be over

[01:06:26] Like in the apartment it's great

[01:06:27] But there's like ten minutes of the movie

[01:06:29] Where in the background of all the shots

[01:06:31] They're in the bedroom

[01:06:32] You see the phone being off the hook

[01:06:34] They're not calling attention to it

[01:06:35] But it's there's a visual element

[01:06:36] So when they call it out later you're like

[01:06:38] Right of course I notice that

[01:06:39] Whereas the equivalent today would be

[01:06:41] Like you'd have to do a close up of a screen

[01:06:43] And then the little bell with the

[01:06:45] The line through it

[01:06:46] I agree

[01:06:47] Or like a mat you know

[01:06:48] Does anyone have a charger

[01:06:49] Oh no my phone's dead

[01:06:50] Like it's just it's so much

[01:06:52] Like more in elegant

[01:06:53] You know

[01:06:54] Well yes I agree with you guys

[01:06:55] But hey man this movie was made in 1996

[01:06:57] I know that's the best part

[01:06:58] Okay so here's what I'm gonna throw out

[01:06:59] I think all movies should be set in 1996

[01:07:01] Anyway

[01:07:03] That was the last good year

[01:07:04] Anyway let's just wrap up the plot of this movie

[01:07:07] It all comes apart

[01:07:09] Caesar eventually figures it out

[01:07:10] Like that Corky is involved

[01:07:12] He figures it out via the phone ringing

[01:07:14] In her apartment

[01:07:15] And he ties her up

[01:07:19] And like throws her in a closet

[01:07:21] Hey there's some fucking great fighting though

[01:07:23] Too

[01:07:24] Let's not forget that

[01:07:25] Yeah like I mean yeah

[01:07:26] Gina Gersheng gets a couple real

[01:07:28] Like cold cocks and the joy pants

[01:07:29] She's fucking awesome

[01:07:30] She's like the greatest

[01:07:31] She's cool

[01:07:34] She just never lets her kind of like

[01:07:37] In mass drop

[01:07:38] Like her sort of impassive

[01:07:39] You know persona

[01:07:40] Yes

[01:07:41] Even when she's being genuine

[01:07:43] And you get when she's being genuine

[01:07:44] But she

[01:07:45] Just always perfectly in character

[01:07:46] I love her in this movie

[01:07:47] Yeah

[01:07:49] Anyway yeah so you know

[01:07:50] He but then he has to make a deal

[01:07:51] With Violet to kind of play along

[01:07:52] Because he's trying to fool these other mobsters

[01:07:54] Cause now Joey pants is in the

[01:07:56] In the soup too

[01:07:57] Cause he killed Chris Maloney

[01:07:58] And he killed the Don

[01:08:00] So great scene she's in the bathroom

[01:08:02] He's like don't fucking do anything

[01:08:04] Or I'll fucking shoot you

[01:08:05] Like don't get smart

[01:08:06] Gina Gersheng is in the closet

[01:08:08] And he's

[01:08:10] You know she's all bruised up now

[01:08:12] And he's like just stay here

[01:08:14] I'm gonna pretend that I was in the shower

[01:08:16] Yeah he tries to distract the mobsters

[01:08:18] I didn't hear the phone ring

[01:08:19] Cause I was in the shower

[01:08:20] And then Tilly calls him

[01:08:22] Yes

[01:08:23] And says like just pretend

[01:08:25] Like there was a car accident

[01:08:26] And that's why the mobsters

[01:08:27] Didn't show up

[01:08:28] She calls and pretends to be Maloney

[01:08:31] And is like I'm creating a fake phone call for you

[01:08:34] So that you have an alibi

[01:08:36] And the story checks out

[01:08:37] But then she's also like

[01:08:39] I'm also getting half the money

[01:08:40] Like do as I say

[01:08:41] Yeah

[01:08:42] Yeah

[01:08:43] And so he tells the new mobsters

[01:08:46] This they buy it they leave

[01:08:49] And then

[01:08:51] How does it exactly

[01:08:52] I mean it plays out that Corky

[01:08:54] Kills Joey Pins

[01:08:56] Corky kills Caesar

[01:08:59] Yeah they um

[01:09:00] Caesar goes to get the money

[01:09:02] No Violet kills Caesar

[01:09:03] Yeah no Violet

[01:09:04] Right of course sorry

[01:09:05] There's a great

[01:09:06] Which is crucial of course

[01:09:07] Yeah Corky finally

[01:09:08] I mean Caesar finally gets it out of Corky

[01:09:10] The money's in the paint cans

[01:09:11] He goes to get it

[01:09:12] You know he's finally vulnerable

[01:09:14] Violet with a weapon

[01:09:16] Points a gun at him

[01:09:17] And he's like if you were gonna kill me

[01:09:18] You know you'd have killed me before

[01:09:20] Like I know you're not gonna kill me

[01:09:21] And she says like

[01:09:23] Caesar you don't know shit

[01:09:24] And then she

[01:09:25] You don't know shit about me

[01:09:26] And shoots him a bunch

[01:09:27] And he dies like in this like big puddle of paint

[01:09:30] And there's like what everywhere

[01:09:31] So it's a white and red

[01:09:32] It's great

[01:09:33] It's the best

[01:09:34] It's the best

[01:09:35] Can I talk about another sequence I love

[01:09:37] When Jennifer Tilly's trying to get away

[01:09:39] And she runs down the stairs

[01:09:41] And there are these great

[01:09:42] Oh yeah these these sort of moves up and down

[01:09:44] The banisters yeah

[01:09:45] Right so she's like running down the stairs

[01:09:47] There's a great shot from like the stair

[01:09:49] While you're looking up

[01:09:50] And you're seeing them like

[01:09:51] That's kind of blue velvety

[01:09:52] Yeah um and

[01:09:54] She makes it down to the ground floor

[01:09:56] Before he does

[01:09:57] And you're like

[01:09:58] You don't understand why she's like

[01:10:00] What exactly her plan is

[01:10:01] Like what she's doing

[01:10:02] Yeah

[01:10:03] It doesn't totally make sense

[01:10:04] The second she gets downstairs

[01:10:05] She runs to the elevator

[01:10:07] And it's like if she can get

[01:10:09] Back up

[01:10:10] In the elevator back upstairs

[01:10:11] She has like three minutes

[01:10:13] To get at the gun

[01:10:14] Yeah

[01:10:15] It's so cool

[01:10:16] To like get Gershon and get the gun

[01:10:18] And it's a great

[01:10:19] Low

[01:10:20] Steak action scene

[01:10:21] Yeah

[01:10:22] You know like the ties

[01:10:23] You know like

[01:10:24] Low budget action scene basically

[01:10:25] Like high tension low budget

[01:10:27] Action scenes are about the steaks

[01:10:28] You know

[01:10:29] That's not the wrong word

[01:10:30] But yeah you know

[01:10:31] It's not low steaks

[01:10:32] It's high steaks but it's

[01:10:33] It's high steaks but it's like

[01:10:34] It's not flashy

[01:10:35] It's a small set piece

[01:10:36] It's a small set piece

[01:10:37] But the steaks are so clear

[01:10:39] The spatial geography is so clear

[01:10:40] You understand what every character is trying to do

[01:10:42] And you're like edge of your seat

[01:10:44] Now here's the thing

[01:10:45] Like if this were a 40s

[01:10:47] Billy Wilder movie

[01:10:48] Or what a Hitchcock movie

[01:10:49] You know in a sort of

[01:10:50] Hayes Code Hollywood movie

[01:10:52] Like a classic noir

[01:10:54] Sort of winking

[01:10:55] Well no

[01:10:56] The other thing is like

[01:10:57] Everyone would be dead

[01:10:58] Or in prison at the end of this movie

[01:10:59] Correct

[01:11:00] Like you know

[01:11:01] Everyone would get their come up

[01:11:02] And anyone who does bad stuff

[01:11:03] Like steals or kills

[01:11:04] Yeah

[01:11:05] Would be like

[01:11:06] Would meet some sort of justice

[01:11:08] And they would imply that they were lovers

[01:11:10] But not be able to actually

[01:11:11] Forget all that

[01:11:12] But I think both elements

[01:11:13] I think are important

[01:11:14] Looking at it as a film

[01:11:15] That was made in the time

[01:11:16] It was made

[01:11:17] But here's what happens

[01:11:18] In this movie

[01:11:19] They kill Joey Pants

[01:11:20] They convince the mobsters

[01:11:21] That Joey Pants took the money

[01:11:23] The mobsters are like

[01:11:24] Hey fuck that guy

[01:11:25] We'll go get him

[01:11:26] You know

[01:11:27] I get it

[01:11:28] You want to get out of here

[01:11:29] And they're like

[01:11:30] Violet's like great

[01:11:31] She escapes with corking

[01:11:32] And two million bucks in a bag

[01:11:34] The end

[01:11:35] Yeah

[01:11:36] Then they'll go off and be happy

[01:11:37] Just go live their truth

[01:11:38] It's great

[01:11:39] Be millionaires

[01:11:41] Good movie

[01:11:42] It's great

[01:11:43] Great characters

[01:11:44] Happy to see things work out well for them

[01:11:45] For a while there I was worried

[01:11:47] But it all works out

[01:11:48] But it all works out

[01:11:49] I was worried about them

[01:11:50] I liked them

[01:11:51] I wanted things to be nice

[01:11:52] In the end

[01:11:53] There's some

[01:11:54] Here talk for a second

[01:11:55] There's some famous thing

[01:11:56] That I want to try and find

[01:11:58] Ben

[01:11:59] Any additional thoughts on the film

[01:12:00] For you?

[01:12:02] Well I would say

[01:12:03] In the end

[01:12:04] I mean fuck

[01:12:05] The Chowsky's

[01:12:06] Definitely passed the test with this

[01:12:08] Yeah right

[01:12:09] It's so good

[01:12:10] It's so good

[01:12:11] At first movie it's insane

[01:12:12] Yeah it's got a great story

[01:12:13] It's got really cool visual elements

[01:12:15] Like you know

[01:12:16] They set out to do that

[01:12:17] And I'm sure they impressed

[01:12:18] The executives

[01:12:19] And got to make the matrix

[01:12:21] Here's another thing

[01:12:22] I'll say about it too

[01:12:23] Right

[01:12:24] If we're talking writer directors

[01:12:26] Right people who are multi hyphenates

[01:12:28] And do both

[01:12:30] Very often

[01:12:31] They start out

[01:12:32] Being better at one thing

[01:12:33] Than the other thing

[01:12:34] You know

[01:12:35] Like I mean

[01:12:36] A lot of filmmakers are

[01:12:37] Better at one than the other

[01:12:38] But the people who become masters

[01:12:40] They start out

[01:12:41] Okay they're a good shooter

[01:12:42] And then their scripts get better

[01:12:44] Or vice versa

[01:12:45] This is a film where like

[01:12:46] Both skill sets

[01:12:48] Are in full force

[01:12:49] And it's actually

[01:12:50] I mean the thing

[01:12:51] It's sort of similar to

[01:12:52] Is blood simple in that way

[01:12:54] Absolutely a lot of blood simple

[01:12:55] Here's this two headed filmmaker

[01:12:57] These siblings

[01:12:58] Who clearly have this very close

[01:13:00] Like symbiotic relationship right

[01:13:02] And are able to just sort of like

[01:13:04] Do twice as much work

[01:13:06] Because they have another person

[01:13:08] At their side

[01:13:09] And just this script that's super tight

[01:13:11] This really fucking sharp

[01:13:14] Like cinematic language

[01:13:16] Like really like no fat filmmaking

[01:13:20] And just like a bold like statement

[01:13:22] Of like we're fucking here to stay

[01:13:25] We're real deal filmmakers

[01:13:27] Absolutely

[01:13:28] I wanted to say one thing

[01:13:29] We forgot to mention this movie

[01:13:30] Was produced by Dino de Laurentiis

[01:13:32] Another famous parody of a Hollywood

[01:13:34] Filmmaker producer

[01:13:35] And Aaron Spelling

[01:13:36] Is that right?

[01:13:37] The production company before the movie

[01:13:39] Was the spelling company

[01:13:40] Well he's not listed as a producer

[01:13:41] But maybe

[01:13:42] Interesting

[01:13:43] But Dino de Laurentiis who was like

[01:13:44] This you know crazy Italian guy

[01:13:46] Who made a lot of great movies

[01:13:47] And a lot of terrible movies

[01:13:48] Made the King Kong remake

[01:13:49] He also made like Sons of the Lambs

[01:13:51] Yeah

[01:13:52] Or is it manhunter

[01:13:53] I think it's manhunter

[01:13:54] He made manhunter so he retained the rights

[01:13:56] Right

[01:13:57] He didn't do Sons of the Lambs

[01:13:58] But then he produced all the other

[01:13:59] Hannibal

[01:14:00] He produced Hannibal and right

[01:14:01] He's always been Red Dragon

[01:14:02] Red Dragon

[01:14:03] Yeah

[01:14:04] He's now dead

[01:14:05] He's also the father of

[01:14:06] Giada de Laurentiis

[01:14:07] Or grandfather

[01:14:08] Something like that

[01:14:09] But I wanted to say about him

[01:14:10] Is he we went to the Wachowskis

[01:14:12] And what can I only imagine was a cartoonish

[01:14:14] Super Mario Brothers accent

[01:14:15] Said like

[01:14:16] Don't make it a lesbians

[01:14:17] Make it you know

[01:14:18] Get a guy in there

[01:14:19] It's more commercial

[01:14:20] I don't know how you actually talk

[01:14:21] I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger on a podcast

[01:14:23] And they were refused

[01:14:24] They were like this is not how

[01:14:25] Like that's not the idea of this movie

[01:14:27] The idea of this movie is very

[01:14:28] Tied to the fact that these are two women

[01:14:30] Dilaranis produced the Conan the

[01:14:32] Barbarian movies

[01:14:33] And I heard some podcast where Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:14:35] Was talking about that process

[01:14:37] And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:14:38] Doing his impression

[01:14:39] Of Dino de Laurentiis

[01:14:40] So it was like a hat on a hat

[01:14:42] It was like one of the cartonious

[01:14:44] Accents of all time trying to do

[01:14:46] Another of the cartonious accents of all time

[01:14:48] My favorite thing about watching

[01:14:50] Dino de Laurentiis productions

[01:14:52] Going through the credits

[01:14:53] And seeing how many people have

[01:14:55] Dilaranis as a last name

[01:14:56] Hey man he was old school

[01:14:58] I know I'm not saying in a negative way

[01:15:00] It's like fun it's like

[01:15:01] Oh Michelle Dilaranis is the caterer

[01:15:03] Right

[01:15:04] Like there's just a lot of Dilaranis

[01:15:06] It's a family business

[01:15:07] The movie was not a hit

[01:15:09] By any means it made like four million bucks

[01:15:12] You know basically didn't even make

[01:15:14] Its budget back

[01:15:15] But I don't think that was

[01:15:16] It became a cult hit

[01:15:17] I think it had a pretty long life

[01:15:19] On video and like you know it became

[01:15:21] Sort of like this don't make any jokes

[01:15:23] Became this sort of like you know

[01:15:25] Legendary little cult movie

[01:15:26] It's huge on Kazaa

[01:15:29] That was the only joke I was going to make

[01:15:31] And yeah it's great

[01:15:33] It's a great movie

[01:15:34] And it was enough to convince

[01:15:36] I guess Warner Brothers and Silver Pictures

[01:15:38] To like take this chance on the Matrix script

[01:15:40] Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was a big

[01:15:42] Home video seller

[01:15:43] Like I was like

[01:15:44] I didn't have a tough time watching this movie in a theater

[01:15:46] Like we said these VHS

[01:15:48] Like legends of the 90s

[01:15:50] These like these great trashy thrillers

[01:15:52] Except this is even better than

[01:15:54] You know Jade or whatever you know

[01:15:56] But also if you're a film kid

[01:15:57] And you see the Matrix

[01:15:58] You walk out there and go

[01:15:59] I gotta fucking see with these

[01:16:00] Well of course

[01:16:01] Of course that in

[01:16:02] Butchauskies what do they make

[01:16:03] That increase the

[01:16:04] Where they come from

[01:16:05] The legend of this movie

[01:16:06] You know way more

[01:16:07] Because it's like

[01:16:08] Oh here that's the movie they made

[01:16:09] Before the Matrix

[01:16:10] I hadn't seen it until now

[01:16:11] But you know what

[01:16:12] It was a pleasant treat

[01:16:13] Because I've seen all these other films

[01:16:15] So it's like this is the one

[01:16:16] I get to discover fresh

[01:16:18] So it's a little bit of trivia

[01:16:20] Please

[01:16:21] I'll lay some trivia on you

[01:16:22] Is this the I&B trivia section?

[01:16:24] It is

[01:16:25] Well so you know

[01:16:26] Take it with a grain of salt

[01:16:28] At first

[01:16:29] Jennifer Tilly was going to play Corky

[01:16:31] And

[01:16:33] The actress who was going to play Violet

[01:16:34] Whoever that was dropped out

[01:16:36] And they found Gina Gershyn

[01:16:37] Who was like suddenly available

[01:16:39] Or whatever

[01:16:40] And Jennifer Tilly agreed

[01:16:42] She'd be a better Corky

[01:16:43] And happily switched roles

[01:16:44] A better Violet

[01:16:46] She agreed Gina Gershyn would be

[01:16:47] A better Corky

[01:16:49] Good call

[01:16:51] Yeah

[01:16:52] Gershyn then

[01:16:54] Recommended Joey Pants

[01:16:56] So she brought Joey Pants on board

[01:16:58] They told Joey Pants to watch

[01:16:59] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

[01:17:01] To base his performance on Bogart

[01:17:03] They liked that

[01:17:04] Like as a sort of like

[01:17:05] Seizures kind of chip on the shoulder

[01:17:07] Attitude kind of performance

[01:17:08] He's so good

[01:17:09] Yeah

[01:17:11] Susie Bright

[01:17:12] They sent her the script

[01:17:13] They loved her

[01:17:14] And she said

[01:17:15] Like this is a great script

[01:17:16] And the women are having sex

[01:17:17] And enjoying it

[01:17:18] And not apologizing

[01:17:19] Which is very rare

[01:17:20] For any Hollywood movie

[01:17:21] And said like

[01:17:23] But the script's low on details

[01:17:24] For the sex scene

[01:17:25] Can I like design the sex scenes

[01:17:26] For you

[01:17:27] And obviously

[01:17:29] Like that's one reason

[01:17:30] The sex scene works so well

[01:17:31] And the rest was history

[01:17:32] You know

[01:17:33] Marcia Gay Hardin audition

[01:17:34] She would have been good

[01:17:35] Oh she would have been good

[01:17:36] For which one

[01:17:37] It doesn't say

[01:17:38] But you know

[01:17:39] She'd probably work in either

[01:17:40] I'd say her role in Miller's

[01:17:42] Crossing is pretty similar to

[01:17:43] Violet in this

[01:17:44] There's you know

[01:17:45] Yeah definitely

[01:17:46] I mean as the sort of gangsters

[01:17:47] Mole

[01:17:48] Yeah but the one who's actually

[01:17:49] Sort of running the thing

[01:17:51] That's I mean

[01:17:52] You can watch that movie

[01:17:53] And put together a pretty clear

[01:17:54] Parallel universe version

[01:17:55] Of her being in that

[01:17:57] Jennifer Tilly considers

[01:17:58] Violet her greatest role

[01:18:00] Yeah I'd probably agree

[01:18:01] Yeah I mean it's her most

[01:18:03] Three dimensional like

[01:18:04] You know sort of like

[01:18:07] Fully fleshed out role

[01:18:08] With like a lot of agents

[01:18:09] She's hilarious

[01:18:10] In bullets of a Broadway

[01:18:12] But she's playing a stereotype

[01:18:13] She's playing like the air head

[01:18:14] Actress

[01:18:15] I can't put the better metaphor

[01:18:16] Than the gun thing

[01:18:17] The loaded gun thing

[01:18:18] Jennifer Tilly is like

[01:18:19] A really good pair of cowboy boots

[01:18:21] And it's like you have to

[01:18:22] Know when to wear cowboy boots

[01:18:23] You know what I'm saying

[01:18:24] Like you have to match them

[01:18:25] With your outfit

[01:18:26] Like it has to be of a piece

[01:18:28] Right

[01:18:29] Great fucking boots

[01:18:32] Oh

[01:18:34] One Violet was

[01:18:36] Linda Hamilton was almost Violet

[01:18:38] Linda Hamilton

[01:18:39] Which she would have been a better

[01:18:40] Corky almost

[01:18:41] Cause she's like tough as nails

[01:18:42] Yeah I don't see her as well

[01:18:43] I mean you think of her

[01:18:44] And terminate her obviously

[01:18:45] Maybe she's trying to play against type

[01:18:46] I don't know

[01:18:47] Shot in 38 days

[01:18:51] Yeah

[01:18:53] This is also Joey Pintz's

[01:18:54] Favorite role of his

[01:18:56] God I think he's still good

[01:18:57] In the Matrix

[01:18:58] I would have given an Oscar

[01:18:59] Nomination for the Matrix

[01:19:00] He's fantastic in the Matrix

[01:19:01] His Stake Mollon

[01:19:03] His Stake Mollon is great

[01:19:04] I would have given him

[01:19:05] A Oscar nomination for Memento

[01:19:08] Which I think is one of his

[01:19:09] Best profiles

[01:19:10] For me to watch Memento

[01:19:11] I've only seen it once

[01:19:12] You've only seen it once

[01:19:13] Yeah

[01:19:14] Which means I haven't even

[01:19:15] Really seen it

[01:19:16] You know

[01:19:17] With a film like that

[01:19:18] You should definitely

[01:19:19] Reaction it

[01:19:20] I watched it once probably

[01:19:21] Why don't you do Nolan one day though

[01:19:22] Yeah

[01:19:23] I mean Nolan's a classic

[01:19:24] Blank Checker

[01:19:25] Yeah

[01:19:26] He's a classic Blank Checker

[01:19:28] God you know the one

[01:19:29] We always talk about

[01:19:30] Why are you doing this

[01:19:31] Come up recently

[01:19:32] Jimmy Cameron

[01:19:33] The great Jimmy Cameron

[01:19:34] Jimmy Cameron

[01:19:35] I like keep on being like

[01:19:36] God we'll just wait for like

[01:19:37] Avatar 2

[01:19:38] Look the man takes him up

[01:19:39] So we can come up with that

[01:19:40] But that's like he keeps on

[01:19:41] Now we're getting 5 of them

[01:19:43] He went to CinemaCon yesterday

[01:19:45] Which is a stupid

[01:19:47] Industry conference

[01:19:48] Of cinema chains and studios

[01:19:50] Theater owners

[01:19:51] And the stars come out

[01:19:52] And they're like

[01:19:53] You gotta book my movie

[01:19:54] People are gonna love it

[01:19:55] Which makes no sense

[01:19:56] Cause it's like

[01:19:57] They're gonna come out

[01:19:58] Like it's gonna like

[01:19:59] You know has to sell them on

[01:20:00] Like Mission Impossible 6

[01:20:01] Or whatever

[01:20:02] I think they're like

[01:20:03] Yeah definitely

[01:20:04] Like you know we weren't worried

[01:20:05] About that

[01:20:06] But Warner Brothers sends Kevin Hart

[01:20:07] Out and he's like

[01:20:08] Please please put my movie

[01:20:09] In your theaters

[01:20:10] It's not like they come out

[01:20:11] And they say like

[01:20:12] We've got this indie project

[01:20:13] But we really think it's gonna

[01:20:14] Pop

[01:20:15] You know they just come out

[01:20:16] And say like

[01:20:17] The biggest stuff

[01:20:18] One of the Avengers movies

[01:20:19] On the way

[01:20:20] Yeah as if all these

[01:20:21] Like exhibitors are saying

[01:20:22] They're going like

[01:20:23] I don't know if we should

[01:20:24] Book a Kevin Hart movie

[01:20:25] So it's just

[01:20:26] They're like

[01:20:27] A place for studios

[01:20:30] To just like promote

[01:20:31] Their upcoming franchises

[01:20:33] And say like

[01:20:34] We've got films planned

[01:20:35] Through 2023

[01:20:36] Or what you know

[01:20:37] It's as much about your

[01:20:38] Devin Faraches

[01:20:39] And your Peter Saretas

[01:20:40] And so forth

[01:20:41] And so on

[01:20:42] Covering

[01:20:43] I love Devin

[01:20:44] I mean

[01:20:45] I don't know

[01:20:46] I'm saying that in a negative way

[01:20:47] You know Devin's fun

[01:20:48] Because he's at this thing

[01:20:49] And he's like

[01:20:50] He's calm bullshit

[01:20:51] He's calm bullshit on it

[01:20:52] But yes absolutely

[01:20:53] The sort of LA industry

[01:20:54] Like film blogger types

[01:20:55] What I mean is that

[01:20:56] This convention that's ostensibly

[01:20:58] Just to sell the theater

[01:21:00] Owners has as much become

[01:21:01] Like a press event

[01:21:03] So show footage for the first time

[01:21:04] But it's a weird thing

[01:21:05] That doesn't really make sense anymore

[01:21:07] It doesn't anyway

[01:21:08] Jim Cameron was there

[01:21:09] I guess who made Avatar Fox?

[01:21:11] Fox

[01:21:12] Yeah and he said like

[01:21:13] Cinematic universes

[01:21:15] I got a cinematic universe for ya

[01:21:17] Avatar 2

[01:21:18] Avatar 3

[01:21:19] Avatar 4

[01:21:20] Avatar 5

[01:21:21] Right so Avatar

[01:21:22] And everyone's reaction was like

[01:21:23] What the fuck is that for?

[01:21:25] 5 avatars?

[01:21:26] Avatar 2 I think was originally

[01:21:27] Supposed to come out last December

[01:21:29] Something like that around now

[01:21:30] That was like the original date

[01:21:31] Like the first one came out in 09

[01:21:33] Yes

[01:21:34] Yeah I think that was the original plan

[01:21:36] And he was like

[01:21:37] You know

[01:21:38] Okay it's gonna take a little longer

[01:21:39] But I got 3 of them

[01:21:40] And then it was like

[01:21:41] We're pushing it back a little

[01:21:42] But good news it's 4

[01:21:43] And no one's ever gotten out of

[01:21:45] Zoe Saldana or whoever

[01:21:46] If they've actually like

[01:21:47] Shot

[01:21:48] Avatar movies

[01:21:49] Yeah very unclear

[01:21:50] The whole thing is always

[01:21:51] I mean the original Avatar was too

[01:21:53] Where it was like people would say

[01:21:54] Zoe Saldana or Sam Worthington

[01:21:56] Like so Avatar and they're like

[01:21:57] Yeah I guess so

[01:21:58] I think I shot that like 3 years ago now

[01:22:00] I guess that's coming out

[01:22:01] Like you know

[01:22:02] There was

[01:22:03] God I wish I could

[01:22:05] Properly credit this person

[01:22:06] But there was an amazing tweet

[01:22:07] I saw yesterday after the announcement

[01:22:09] Which was like

[01:22:10] Cameron announcing more Avatar movies

[01:22:12] While he also delays the

[01:22:14] Like the next one

[01:22:15] Is sort of like

[01:22:16] The principal in breakfast club

[01:22:18] Like the scene where he's like

[01:22:20] You want 6 weeks attention let's make it 6

[01:22:22] He's like fine 7

[01:22:23] Right

[01:22:24] Like

[01:22:25] It's like this game of like

[01:22:27] Was an Avatar 2 supposed to come out a month ago

[01:22:28] And he's like yeah but now we got 7 of them

[01:22:30] Don't worry about it

[01:22:32] I mean

[01:22:33] We'll do Jim Cameron at some point

[01:22:34] We should definitely do Jim Cameron

[01:22:35] At some point soon

[01:22:36] Jimmy Cameron

[01:22:37] Because I do

[01:22:38] I mean I think my tweet was long lines

[01:22:39] Of like if Jim Cameron thinks

[01:22:40] We need 5 avatars

[01:22:41] Then we need 5 avatars

[01:22:42] Because he doesn't make bad movies

[01:22:45] Yeah he also

[01:22:46] Anytime he's done something

[01:22:47] Now a lot of people think

[01:22:48] Avatar is a bad movie

[01:22:49] People disagree with them

[01:22:50] They are wrong

[01:22:51] Hardcore

[01:22:52] Ben how do you feel about Avatar

[01:22:53] I never saw it

[01:22:54] Ben do you know the central

[01:22:56] Conceit of Avatar

[01:22:58] There's like a blue race of people

[01:23:02] Do you know the height of those blue people

[01:23:04] Oh wait no are you

[01:23:06] They're like 10 feet tall

[01:23:07] They're big

[01:23:08] They are big

[01:23:09] Get the fuck out of here

[01:23:10] I forgot about that

[01:23:11] They're like really big Ben

[01:23:12] I love this

[01:23:13] I want to see this now

[01:23:14] Yeah you'll love it Ben

[01:23:16] Oh my god

[01:23:17] Alright I'm excited

[01:23:18] I might even watch that

[01:23:20] And then report back next week

[01:23:22] We'll see

[01:23:23] Okay and speaking of reports

[01:23:24] I think it's time for our favorite segment

[01:23:26] To close out the episode

[01:23:30] The burger report

[01:23:31] So of course this is a segment

[01:23:33] That we sometimes remember to do

[01:23:34] Yeah in which we talk about

[01:23:36] Seeing famous people eating burgers

[01:23:38] It was inspired by that time

[01:23:39] I saw Michael Shannon eat a burger

[01:23:41] And I saw some

[01:23:42] Oh I saw a Chivo

[01:23:44] Chivo Lubezki

[01:23:46] Yes

[01:23:47] And Ben Hosley basically has seen

[01:23:50] Every American president eat a burger

[01:23:52] While like getting like

[01:23:53] Felicio from Maryland Moneray

[01:23:55] Like he's seen like the most

[01:23:56] Salacious incredible things

[01:23:58] When he worked at the Spotted Pig

[01:24:00] A restaurant known for its burger

[01:24:02] I just love that this segment

[01:24:03] Has nothing to do with the rest

[01:24:04] Of our podcast

[01:24:05] But I like it as a through line

[01:24:07] You were in LA

[01:24:08] You were in Los Angeles

[01:24:09] And guess what

[01:24:10] I went to Yamami Burger

[01:24:11] Big Fat Goose Egg

[01:24:13] Oh there was nobody

[01:24:14] Big Fat Goose Egg

[01:24:15] I saw my bestest friend

[01:24:17] Derek Simon

[01:24:18] How's he doing?

[01:24:19] Does he listen?

[01:24:20] Does he listen?

[01:24:21] I think he doesn't

[01:24:22] I don't know

[01:24:23] Hey Derek if you listen

[01:24:24] He's a writer for Supergirl

[01:24:25] That was the closest I got to a FAMO

[01:24:27] And I've known him since I was 10

[01:24:29] Wow

[01:24:30] So that doesn't count

[01:24:31] It doesn't

[01:24:32] So yeah

[01:24:33] I fortunately came up short

[01:24:35] But I'm gonna make a promise

[01:24:36] To the listeners

[01:24:37] I'm gonna try to

[01:24:38] To end as many burger joints

[01:24:39] As I can in the next week

[01:24:41] I'm trying to eat less burgers

[01:24:42] To be honest

[01:24:43] I'm trying even more

[01:24:44] I need content

[01:24:45] You know what I'm saying?

[01:24:46] But Ben

[01:24:47] Do you want to serve us up a nice

[01:24:48] Patty or a girl?

[01:24:49] Yeah you out Ben

[01:24:50] Or do you have any more?

[01:24:51] No

[01:24:52] I actually honestly could keep this going

[01:24:53] For a while

[01:24:54] Fantastic

[01:24:55] Good thing cause we're never ending this segment

[01:24:57] Great

[01:24:58] So like we've been like

[01:24:59] Michael Shannon

[01:25:00] The cinematographer from the Revenant

[01:25:01] Ben's been like

[01:25:02] Kanye West

[01:25:03] LeBron James

[01:25:04] One of the most famous people

[01:25:05] LeBron James got a haircut

[01:25:07] At the bar

[01:25:08] And then I served him a burger

[01:25:10] Allegedly

[01:25:11] Allegedly

[01:25:12] Allegedly

[01:25:13] Okay

[01:25:14] So

[01:25:15] Jay-Z's book

[01:25:17] Oh boy this is already such a good start

[01:25:19] Jay-Z's book what was it called?

[01:25:21] Decoded?

[01:25:22] Yeah I think it was decoded

[01:25:24] It wasn't that but it was something close

[01:25:25] So he is like a part owner

[01:25:28] Of the restaurant group

[01:25:30] That falls under the umbrella

[01:25:32] Like the spotted pig is part of

[01:25:34] Yeah it was called decoded

[01:25:35] That makes sense

[01:25:36] Nice work

[01:25:37] Yeah

[01:25:38] So yeah

[01:25:39] He has a little chunk of the meat

[01:25:41] He has a little chunk of the spotted pig

[01:25:44] Exactly

[01:25:45] And so he had an event

[01:25:47] Around the premiere of his book

[01:25:49] At the spotted pig

[01:25:51] And there was a bunch of people there

[01:25:53] It was really cool

[01:25:54] It was like Chris Rock

[01:25:55] Damn

[01:25:56] I'm like blanking like

[01:25:59] Maybe like Alicia Keys

[01:26:01] Okay

[01:26:02] But a bunch of

[01:26:04] So that's what the story is about

[01:26:06] How does he do this?

[01:26:08] How does Ben do this?

[01:26:09] He's the fucking best and the best

[01:26:11] That's how he does it

[01:26:12] So yeah so

[01:26:14] The Jay-Z and Beyoncé came in

[01:26:18] And they were kind of just chatting with people

[01:26:20] But then at one point

[01:26:22] Went to this

[01:26:23] If you know the spotted pig on the second floor

[01:26:25] There's like a little like kind of alcove

[01:26:27] Like a little separate area

[01:26:28] And when we have VIPs

[01:26:29] Sometimes we'll put the curtains up

[01:26:31] So they feel like they're a little more secluded

[01:26:33] And so basically I got the opportunity

[01:26:35] To have some face time with Beyoncé and Jay-Z

[01:26:38] And they were super nice

[01:26:40] They were really lovely people

[01:26:41] That's very nice to hear

[01:26:42] I will say

[01:26:43] I don't

[01:26:45] I don't remember

[01:26:46] They might have got a burger

[01:26:48] I don't remember exactly

[01:26:50] But I will say that Beyoncé was

[01:26:52] Probably one of the most beautiful women

[01:26:55] If not the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in person

[01:26:57] Now Ben

[01:26:58] God

[01:26:59] We're gonna chew them out

[01:27:00] A little bit

[01:27:01] I mean look

[01:27:02] Thank you for sharing this story with us

[01:27:04] But Ben

[01:27:05] You're saying maybe they got a burger

[01:27:07] We can't

[01:27:08] We have listeners at home

[01:27:09] This is the burger report

[01:27:11] Right

[01:27:12] We can't be wishy-washy with this

[01:27:14] No, okay

[01:27:15] How about this?

[01:27:16] Beyoncé she got a burger

[01:27:17] Oh my God

[01:27:18] Medium rare

[01:27:19] American cheese on that

[01:27:21] She got American cheese

[01:27:23] And she

[01:27:24] Yeah, medium rare girl

[01:27:25] I wanna say something that I feel to be

[01:27:27] Profoundly and violently true

[01:27:29] If you get a burger with any kind of cheese

[01:27:31] That's not American cheese

[01:27:32] You fucking suck

[01:27:34] And you're a communist

[01:27:35] And you should be thrown in jail

[01:27:36] Sounds like I'm a communist

[01:27:39] Yeah, definitely a communist

[01:27:40] Yep, only American cheese

[01:27:41] Cause I fuck around with them cheeses

[01:27:43] Nope

[01:27:44] When I met some fancy place and they were like

[01:27:46] We put a Gruyere on it

[01:27:47] And I'm like uh-huh

[01:27:48] How about you take the Gruyere off

[01:27:49] And put on a slice of Kraft American cheese

[01:27:52] I don't care if your burger's made out of

[01:27:54] You know, filet mignon

[01:27:56] You know what I say?

[01:27:57] What?

[01:27:58] I say you can call me Cookie Monster

[01:27:59] Cause I'll take a slice of

[01:28:00] Monster cheese on my burger

[01:28:02] I will say

[01:28:03] Monster is a terrific cheese

[01:28:05] Hell's yeah

[01:28:06] And it melts very well

[01:28:07] I like some crumbled blue

[01:28:09] Nah, you lost me

[01:28:10] Love it

[01:28:11] Lost me

[01:28:12] Hey, stay tuned for the next burger report

[01:28:14] Let's talk about John Mayer

[01:28:16] Oh, that's a good cheese

[01:28:19] New York City Legendaries asshole John Mayer

[01:28:22] God, that's such a good cliffhanger

[01:28:24] Yeah, let's just say he was wearing a puffy vest jacket

[01:28:26] Tell us no more

[01:28:27] Tell us no more

[01:28:28] Save it for the next episode

[01:28:29] We need listeners to come back

[01:28:30] Because God knows no one's gonna want to hear us

[01:28:32] about The Matrix, one of the biggest movies of all time

[01:28:34] Of course

[01:28:35] Love the Wachowskis

[01:28:37] They're great

[01:28:38] I'm very excited to talk about this episode

[01:28:40] I mean this, these directors

[01:28:42] We were saying before we record this

[01:28:44] Like it's nice to go into a miniseries

[01:28:46] And be like, I don't

[01:28:48] I'm not bummed about watching any of these movies

[01:28:50] They're not these movies where I'm like

[01:28:51] Oh fuck, is that Time of the Week again?

[01:28:53] Yeah, I mean some people I think would disagree

[01:28:55] And say that The Matrix pre-sequels

[01:28:57] Or even like Cloud Atlas or Jupiter Sending

[01:28:59] Or Chores

[01:29:00] No, they are not

[01:29:01] They're great

[01:29:03] So there's not one that you don't like?

[01:29:06] I don't like The Matrix pre-sequels

[01:29:07] But I haven't seen them since they came out

[01:29:09] You're probably still not gonna like them

[01:29:10] But we'll see

[01:29:11] I liked Reloaded Okay

[01:29:13] But you're excited to rewatch them

[01:29:14] I'm very excited to rewatch them

[01:29:15] I strongly disliked Revolutions

[01:29:16] I would say Revolutions is the only film there

[01:29:18] I disliked but I have not seen it since then

[01:29:20] Yeah, we'll see

[01:29:21] And I don't stand behind anything

[01:29:23] I believed when I was 14 years old

[01:29:25] I mean I also at the time

[01:29:27] Strongly disliked them

[01:29:28] But we'll get to that

[01:29:29] But next week we're gonna do an episode about The Matrix

[01:29:32] The Matrix

[01:29:33] Which was a successful film

[01:29:35] It was a big movie

[01:29:37] In 1999

[01:29:38] Hey, you know what's interesting?

[01:29:39] Mm-hmm

[01:29:40] The Matrix

[01:29:41] Uh-huh

[01:29:42] It is interesting

[01:29:43] The Phantom Menace

[01:29:44] 1999 baby

[01:29:45] Maybe this podcast should be called

[01:29:47] 1999

[01:29:48] Baby

[01:29:50] Isn't that crazy that like the three films

[01:29:52] That we've really focused on

[01:29:53] That everything like our investigations have spun out

[01:29:55] Of all three, 99

[01:29:57] They're directors who popped in 99

[01:29:59] Which is generally agreed to be like a high point

[01:30:02] In American cinema

[01:30:03] Yeah

[01:30:04] In worldwide cinema

[01:30:05] Georgie Forge didn't pop until 99

[01:30:07] That was when he got his moment

[01:30:09] He popped in 99

[01:30:10] Maybe he'd pop before

[01:30:12] Big pop

[01:30:13] Big poppy

[01:30:14] Pop, pop

[01:30:15] Uh

[01:30:16] George Lucas we love you

[01:30:18] Georgie

[01:30:19] Make a movie

[01:30:20] Make one of your read our movies Georgie

[01:30:21] Make a fucking movie about a car going around the track

[01:30:23] Make a movie about anything

[01:30:25] Seriously

[01:30:27] But if you want to understand this bit

[01:30:29] Go back to our original

[01:30:31] Three seasons of the

[01:30:32] We went to our original 36 episodes

[01:30:35] And you'll get it

[01:30:36] Yeah

[01:30:37] The Phantom Podcast

[01:30:38] Attack the podcast

[01:30:39] Revenge of the podcast

[01:30:40] Great