Bridge of Spies

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check I gave them nothing, I gave them nothing It doesn't matter

[00:00:24] It doesn't matter what people think, you know what you podcasted That's good Thank you Hi everybody, my name's Griffin Newman It's a great line, David Sims David doubted me but I pulled through I didn't doubt it, I just wanted to know And I know, now I know

[00:00:37] Now we know and that's why we are hashtag the two friends We are hashtag Stoicamusique Yeah, hashtag the two Stoicamusique Ben is standing man actually, when you think about it Producer Ben? The Ben Deucer? Sure, right up the start Produer Ben? Poet Lori at the peeper, the tiebreaker

[00:00:56] Birthday Benning? The fuck master? Yep Not Professor Crispy? No He is our finest film critic? I mean, yes, what you guys said He's a fart detective, he's a mute lover He's a close personal friend of Dan Lewis I mean, I can't imagine that anyone's

[00:01:09] This is anyone's first episode is Brigid of Spies Should be Should be their first and only That's what you're suggesting people No Pick it up and drop it with this one It doesn't matter It doesn't matter You know what you did You know what you podcasted

[00:01:26] Producer Ben of course has graduated Certain tolls are of course at different masters Kyle Pemberton has been a Ben's A Ben I don't want to say anything And David Benz is a dollar sign No one can hear that, but okay great

[00:01:37] Welcome to Mike Check with Griffin and David That's us And standing man Ben Hosley Yes Hello This is Pobby If You Cast It is indeed, a master is about the films Steven Spielberg, Colin The Dreamworks years Now this, the Dreamworks have anything to do with this one?

[00:01:52] I guess they were a production company on this one This was the tail end kind of This is the final proper Dreamworks movie We're kind of flubbing it a little bit By including BFG, but it would be weird to exclude it When it's the most recent film

[00:02:06] Maybe we shouldn't include it I mean it's completely forgettable This is part of When Dreamworks restructured as A production company with financing from Reliance Which was an Indian company And Disney made a deal to distribute these films Through Touchstone Which used to be their sort of adult imprint

[00:02:27] For, Meermax was their indie imprint And Touchstone was for your pretty women's Yes of course, yes There were six senses Right, your PG-13 or R rated films And at a certain point Once Disney became more franchise based They didn't really want to make movies like that

[00:02:45] Because they had limited potential In relation to movies that can make four billion dollars Fucking Disney man So they make this deal They go, oh Dreamworks will just be Touchstone We'll let Dreamworks work autonomously Make whatever they want with funding from Reliance And Touchstone will be distributing those

[00:03:00] And this is the last film as part of that deal BFG was a Disney proper movie It was straight up Disney because it was a kids movie And now Dreamworks essentially doesn't exist Going forward, the Steven Spielberg movies Are like Amblin movies now So Dreamworks is just gone?

[00:03:18] I mean obviously Dreamworks animation exists I was looking into it, it's kind of weird Because there's stuff like Office Christmas Party Which was released recently Was a Dreamworks movie But I think some of those are like Dreamworks is kind of Dreamworks is a small production company

[00:03:31] But Spielberg's productions are now Amblin movies Over Dreamworks movies Amblin is taking over, yes Oh boy, some of the Amblin movies coming up No, no, no No, no, I don't like them But they're Amblin movies Listen to this Ambulance League Which is coming out

[00:03:45] We just had Office, we had Girl on the Train And Office Christmas Party last year Not great But those I think were films that were grandfathered in From the Dreamworks years I think we're developed as Dreamworks movies Whatever, whatever, whatever I don't know why you're fucking nitpicking

[00:03:58] I'm just trying to be Then, God, dog's purpose Ghost in the Shell Yeah I mean which, look Ghost in the Shell looks kinda cool But I mean, you know They fucked up What, and people are gonna be up in arms People are gonna be up in arms

[00:04:11] When 15 months from now They leak the video Skrulls are handsome drowning Alright They're trying to push her into the pool And she's shaking Ready Player One in 2018 Yeah, which is scary Is that scheduled to come out in March? Yeah What is Steven Spielberg doing?

[00:04:26] Hey, the blockbusters come out You're around now And then Bumblebee The Transformers spin off Bumblebee Goddamn it Does anyone in the world care about Bumblebee? Or do they just think that we care? I'll say this I probably care about Bumblebee more than most

[00:04:42] And how much do you care about Bumblebee? A good amount I have less How can you care about Bumblebee? Less than zero interest in seeing a Bumblebee movie Bumblebee is a What is Bumblebee? He's the Transformer He's the nice friend He's the yellow transformer who can't talk

[00:04:57] So he only like He speaks in like clips from the radio He's shy as first car He's a boy's best friend And he He's got a fucking crock So he's sweet He's transformer face He's not nice Yeah, you can't make a movie about him No

[00:05:12] And I like him He's one of my good friends He's not one of my two friends Sure, no, no Yeah, that's a That's a dispiriting slate Yeah it is And you know this This miniseries has sort of been about Steven Spielberg at a weird crossroads

[00:05:30] As the film industry Crossroads Crossroads as the film industry is Changing dramatically Rapidly You know And at a time where Some could argue The full effect of what Spielberg Has created in the 70s Has now completely overtaken the industry Sure Spielberg is sort of fighting this last stand

[00:05:50] To try to make adult dramas Sure And make films Adult dramas for significant budgets Obviously you got your indie dramas Your smaller budget dramas You're trying to make fucking 60 million basement movies This is a 40 million dollar movie Really? Yeah That's very impressive Pretty good right? Yeah

[00:06:08] They built Berlin Yeah Can you build Berlin? Huh? They built a wall I know I can They built a wall They built a damn wall I'm just trying to get laid I keep telling people I can build Berlin Those girls who are hot for Berlin Replicas

[00:06:23] Not the real Berlin Sure There's this weird thing in the period of movies That we're watching You know Schindler's list is this kind of pivot point That he can't go back from Once he becomes an adult He can't try to pretend That he's just a kid anymore Right?

[00:06:36] And Lost World Is a misstep because of that Amistad he paints with too broad a brush And the fact that he shouldn't have been making that material He tries to filter through the traditional Spielberg-y things Right? Yeah And when he's making these genre films He's making these

[00:06:49] I keep on using the same word But haunted, morally gray Genre films like A.I. Like Catch Me If You Can Like Minority Report Like War of the Worlds You know it's a varying level of success And he missteps when he does You know a crystal skull

[00:07:04] A war horse He does something that's more conventionally Spielberg and he tries to make it Simpler and more straightforward Ready Player One's a little scary to me I have no idea how that's going to turn out I don't either It's a big question mark

[00:07:15] We'll give that one some time That one's got a whole year to come out BFG also is a misstep For similar reasons We'll cover that next week BFG like War Horse Like you're saying BFG is the kind of movie where you're like

[00:07:26] Oh yeah I could see Steven Spielberg making this in 1991 Like you know like it just Imagine it would be great And you watch it now and it's like It just seems beyond him That's the problem Like beyond his interest Right Well we'll get to BFG next week

[00:07:37] But those are the movies where it feels Like him trying to make a quote unquote Spielberg movie rather than making what he We'll get to it next week It's passing We'll get to it next week This movie is to me in a certain way

[00:07:48] The apex of what he's been evolving towards In his career Because of all these adult dramas It's the one that is The most sort of classical The most focused The least showy It's not showy That's true It's less showy than like Munich Yeah

[00:08:06] It is just like every inch a masterpiece You know Agreed man I mean you don't have set pieces It's similar to Lincoln But you're not dealing with a towering historical figure Yeah And you know it comes out It makes 80 million dollars You know Opens kind of small

[00:08:21] But ends up repeating pretty well And people go Oh pretty good box office return It does well overseas It's not like for best picture Wins best supporting actor But I feel like It gets pegged with like Oh it's one of those Definitely gets pegged with

[00:08:32] And you know what doesn't help Tom Hanks being in it Sure It just definitely gets pegged with Yeah like oh yeah It's a Spielberg dad movie It's about history Oh it's him and Hanks They both love war shit You know Free stars you know Yeah exactly

[00:08:46] I'm sure it's fine It's some like side poop Of the Pacific Right Yeah exactly Now you know what does help this movie Tom Hanks being in it When you're actually watching it Of course Because Jesus Christ What a fucking performance And what a movie that can only work

[00:08:58] If you have someone Who is that comfortable And in control as a movie star Standing man Stochi music Yeah what's up Oh god Hey Ben Yeah You like that Bridget Spice I love me some Bridget Spice Is that his fucking nickname Is it standing Ben Standing Ben

[00:09:16] That's what it is That's what it is Standing Ben I think it's standing where right Cause it's not the Ben friendly giant It's a bit You would need another The Ben Fade Element to that Yeah Acronym Right and we already said It's not catch me if you Ben

[00:09:31] It's not jiggaloo Ben No It's not Ben Jurassic Jurassic Haas Jurassic Haas though I think it's standing Ben The lost Haas Jurassic Yeah saving I do still Private Ryan I mean sorry Sergeant Rybin from I really think that character Just popped so hard And saved Private Ryan Sure

[00:09:56] And he's just You know like there's a lot of things You don't know about him Such as that he is from Brooklyn That he's a Brooklyn guy Wait the Ed Burns characters from Brooklyn The Ed Burns character Private Ryan is as like

[00:10:06] This is in like the background of the character You know how they write like Bibles for the character Stuff you don't know So I'm gonna ask you Is this one of those bullshit fan theories Like the Pixar movies took place In the same universe?

[00:10:16] Cause I don't think that's supported By the text of the film What it is is Boo went into the past And became an old witch lady And then that old witch lady Gave birth to Private Rybin Whatever In Brooklyn Brave takes place in Brooklyn

[00:10:30] Hey you know what I love I just recently found out that The whole point of the All idea of the Pixar theory is that Boo is the witch from Brave Is the witch in Brave And she like loops back around And that the good dinosaur

[00:10:42] Explains why monsters exist And like stuff like that Yeah you know what I love When like six times a year People who I kind of know Oh are like Hey man found this cool theory Yo any thoughts on this? Look here's my problem with the Pixar theory

[00:10:57] Those Pixar assholes Are not helping by like Putting a little postcard Of the pizza planet or whatever In the background of you know Monsters University Or I don't like no no no Stop it I don't like that's a But it's fucking Easter egg shit

[00:11:11] It's like putting ET in the Phantom Menace I mean that's fine I guess you're right I guess you're right You know the problem is That people want to read that As like some canonical thing Like it's the fucking ending of split Look these people are Are Are bored

[00:11:25] I guess is the gentlest way To put it Well and to be fair It makes a lot of sense Because there's nothing else That's why we're going to Focus on in the world at large right now That's why we're going to spend Two hours talking about

[00:11:37] Bridge of spies But I'll say this I love this movie I saw it twice when it came out I think it was my number three of last year We both gave it a lot of Blanky nominations It was my number five I think Yeah

[00:11:49] It's in the upper echelon Of my Spielberg period Not just for this mini series Period full stop For me watching this movie last night And reminder we're recording this Anywhere so who knows Maybe we will have gone through Four impeachments by the time this episode drops

[00:12:05] Hey man impeach him Three ways from Sunday for all I care Right We make it all the way down to Secretary of Agriculture Is now president That's fine that guy That's the guy who's from Montana He's even sure he's okay That's probably not the great

[00:12:17] No he's a nightmare He doesn't believe in global warming Oh god We're doomed We are Watching this movie in theaters Yeah There were moments that I found emotional But they were more sort of like Golden, Glow, Spielberg emotional Where you just kind of got like

[00:12:31] A twinkle in your eye and a smile On your face You go like oh that's lovely Yeah Watching this last night I almost broke down crying a couple of times It's so good And it wasn't because You know of a We bought a zoo type thing

[00:12:42] Where I was recently dumped I understand And I'm at a hair trigger I'm feeling fairly psychologically Balanced these days Whoa sure But watching this movie And seeing a film that's just about The decency of an ordinary American Who prioritizes His basic humanity

[00:13:00] And his sense of empathy for others Above all else And also someone who just Takes a responsibility Their job very seriously And wants to do a good job And use their power for good Like fucking destroyed me last night Yeah It both gave me a lot of

[00:13:15] Hope and inspiration And then immediately the movie ended And I went and checked Twitter And I felt terrible Okay enough about the real world Which is bad Bridge of spies Bridge of speeds Which is great Which is great I so this was

[00:13:31] This was at the New York Film Festival And I skipped the screening Because I think it was on like a Saturday At 10 am and it was just You know the movie's coming out In a couple weeks And I remember And let's say this too

[00:13:41] Both the trailer and the poster For this movie sucked Terrible trailer Like horrific like that One of those trailers That's obviously worried You're not gonna think It's an exciting movie So they kinda try and make it Look like this sort of like You know corny thriller

[00:13:54] They sorta cut it It's got a bridge in the name Put a bridge on the poster That's just common sense No indeed No bridges on the poster The poster was like Well there's two posters But the one they had a lot of Was Hanks floating head Two flags

[00:14:11] Which look Try a little harder guys That's not a great poster The other one with the more Like 60s kinda like Red and white and black Like cartoony imagery Around him was a little better You know that one I mean A little better A little more

[00:14:24] A little more Right but it's like a big floating head poster Where his head is like 90% of the poster And then you have those Floating head posters And I get like Look you hand me bridge of spies I might also be like

[00:14:34] What the fuck am I supposed to do with this This is not a posterable movie Okay this is where I disagree with you And this is one of only two serious Complaints I had about the movie And it's not even a complaint Towards the movie

[00:14:43] It's a complaint towards the marketing department Okay fine what is it The movie hands you a fucking poster The poster should have been The fucking painting that Abel gives him With the text over that Hell yeah that's a great call I'm not insane I'm not insane

[00:14:58] I like that It should have been the painting Which would have just looked like A nice fucking strewzanny Like here's a painting of Tom Cruise Looking like a hero The poster for bridge of spies Was literally just an oil painting Of Tom Hanks Instead of Steven Spielberg

[00:15:09] Filming bridge of spies People would have lost their minds Laughing at that That would have been hilarious And then when they went to see The movie they would have They would not have seen the movie They would have been like What's this oil painting Hanks

[00:15:21] Now it's like the thing when The Alma Draft test here in Brooklyn opened The first week they served The Straff Special if you went to see Moonlight Uh huh And the whole thing was like You've seen Moonlight for the first time Right, you eat that

[00:15:31] You're eating this dish You don't know what it is And by the time the Straff Special Is introduced in the movie People just go like Oh my god now it means so much That is an interesting way of arguing In favor of having the poster Of bridges spies

[00:15:42] Be an oil painting of Tom Hanks This is like the time me and Bobby Were looking at Oscar posters And then it was just Elm DeGeneres' face Okay but is the poster that they Ended up going with that different From an oil painting of Tom Hanks' face

[00:15:55] It's just a shitty Photoshop floating head I don't disagree that the poster is bad And there are similar images Except the painted one's nicer And has thematic meaning Anyway let's move on Oil painting poster Someone please Photoshop Now it should have been Mark Rylance literally at an easel

[00:16:13] Painting the painting And so it's called like Bridges Spies And the picture is just Mark Rylance In painter's clothes And he's like putting the finishing touches On Tom Hanks' face In prison Then I'm like What's going on in this movie I want to see this movie

[00:16:30] Let's point out just before we get into it In the meat of the film Mark Rylance obviously one of the best Living actors He won an Academy Award For this performance it was a surprising Win and upset People thought Sly Stallone I would say because I feel like

[00:16:45] Three months before the Oscars Rylance was the absolute favorite And he won a lot of critics awards Creed came in late Was not campaigned very well By its studio Yeah cause it should have gotten like six nominations Exactly But then Creed comes in late Sly Stallone

[00:17:02] And everyone's like Oh like He's gonna win because this is his only shot They built such a strong narrative around him And then It just made sense What everyone ignored was like Oh Rylance gave a perfect performance Rylance gave a perfect performance

[00:17:14] Sly Stallone's reputation in Hollywood is mixed Yes And I think both those things combined to It was very surprising On the night it was very surprising But he had been the front runner before Right at the start of the show

[00:17:27] Cause I think it might have been the first Oscar announced No cause best supporting actress was They do one of the supportings first often It was like right in the middle Okay alright That's a thing I always When people talk about like Oscar snubs and why they happen

[00:17:42] I think the same thing unites Why Stallone lost by upset And why Eddie Murphy lost by upset Which is nominations happen by your branch Actors nominate actors But then the wins everyone in every branch Votes for everything Right So a sound mixer doesn't get to Nominate actors

[00:18:01] But they do get to vote on actors Yeah And so actors I think can focus more On the performance But then when you get into The entire voting body They go like Okay I'm a set decorator Right And Eddie Murphy was an asshole to me Right

[00:18:18] Like the guys like Stallone and Murphy Who are known for being Temperamental at best You know And destructive And obstructive at worst Eddie Murphy should have won that Oscar Yeah he should But Alan Arkhan also is a really cool winner I disagree

[00:18:32] That he would be like last on my list Oh I think that's a great fucking performance He had a great performance I think he's a great actor I love that he has an Oscar Or go fuck yourself Okay Bridgespice Bridgespice so yeah I mean

[00:18:46] I skipped the New York Film Festival screening And then everyone coming out of it was like Eh it's fine I don't know Fine you know It's handsome Very fine People use those backhanded compliments Like it's well made Uh yeah And so I was kinda like

[00:19:01] Oh okay yeah I'm sure I'll like it but I'm sure it's like a It's a brockling movie Yeah maybe like a 4 out of 5 Right like you know Good handsome Lee Mounted Spielberg production that teaches me a little bit About the world

[00:19:14] See I went into it assuming even that it would be like A 3 Uh huh You know like a gentleman's 3 and I'd be like It's fine But you know I had really liked Lincoln It's weird though yeah we were not hyped And like it was one of those things

[00:19:25] Where at the beginning of the year You make your Oscars sort of You sort of look at the field And you're like what's an Oscar front runner 10 years ago you were to see Bridgespice And been like bingo bingo This one At this point people are kinda like

[00:19:36] Well eh You know Nah I don't know it'll do fine Well and I'll say A lot of the crew that worked on the Television series Vanell HBO's Vanell Uh huh vinyl he's referring to Well I mean sure you would pronounce it like that Sure Um worked on Bridgespice

[00:19:56] Like when our season ended they went over to Bridgespice Or was after the pilot rather Mm hmm Between the pilot when we went to series And I kept on asking people and the crew like Hey you have something lined up after this And all of them were like

[00:20:05] I'm working on the new Spielberg movie The script's fucking incredible So I kept on hearing from people like This script's amazing Sure Then the trailer came out It looked really fucking bland The poster was even blander And the New York Film Festival Shit was uh

[00:20:20] Was just like kind of like dismissive Like yeah no it's Spielberg I mean it's fine Um the script is by Matt Charman Who is a fantastic playwright Mm hmm It was embellished on by the Coen brothers Although I It took a pass

[00:20:33] I've been told that all their work Is in the negotiation scene Like that's where it all is All of like the scene with the um You know with the fake family Hanks's opening scene kind of feels Coen to me Hanks's opening scene

[00:20:45] Oh where he's doing the one one one Yes Maybe I don't know but like I well I don't know I had read in multiple reports Like that it's all the Um just the sort of The talking scenes right in the middle there Okay The Coen's just added

[00:20:56] You know some Coen-y humor Sure And uh you know a sort of Yeah like their weird sort of circular Interesting way of doing dialogue The circular dialogue And another thing that feels very Coen-y to me And maybe you know this was added by Uh Charman I don't know

[00:21:10] I mean I'm just saying I feel like people kind of gave Charman short shrift Because they saw the Coen brothers names on it And they were like Oh they must have made it good I don't think so I think everyone loved the Charman script Yeah

[00:21:21] Um impossible to know Who did what Sure But there's a thing that feels very Coen-y In the movie to me Um which is this movie Uses the repetition of certain phrases To its advantage Yes It establishes a language Of just like this phrase means that

[00:21:37] So when it's repeated it has extra meaning Or when it's subverted it has extra meaning And it does it with like four different phrases Over the course of the movie And all of them have so much power Give me the phrases Uh the phrases are

[00:21:47] Let me see if I can remember all four of them Uh would it help Would it help Uh the use of your guy my guy Not my guy Yeah Um the uh I have a cold I just want to go home Getting to bed

[00:22:02] And the fourth one is Oh fuck Oh it's the how many things The one, one, one, one, one One thing happened here One, one, one And then sometimes he's like One for two then he's like No it's one for one The idea of negotiating things Yes Um

[00:22:19] And even to a lesser degree I think the boss line Is maybe repeated more than once Uh yeah sure sure sure Yeah He may not always be right But he's always the boss So you and I both see this movie I think with very low expectations

[00:22:31] And uh or middling expectations And both come out of it We're recording the podcast at that time Yeah And we like see each other before recording We go like We're both just staring at each other Going like that's a fucking masterpiece Why isn't anyone else talking about this

[00:22:43] I know well yeah I saw my brother um Just like Maybe I think the day it came out Or certainly the weekend it came out Just like at an empty screening At like court street regal You know just like nobody there We just sat there quietly

[00:22:57] And we walked out like There's the fucking greatest What the hell is going on Like one of our best living filmmakers Stupid pills Made one of his best films ever It's just like everyone's just like Mmm yeah Like what was even What were we even excited about

[00:23:12] I mean fucking the revenant Like ran laps around this movie In terms of box office Oscars and critical reception Everyone was jerking off the revenant Right Which is objectively A poopy movie A shit movie That I caught 30 minutes of on HBO

[00:23:28] The other day and it was just a poop Yeah That's what it was Yeah Wasn't like bridge of spies When you turn it on and you're like Oh I'm so gripped Yeah By the complicated issues Being fleshed out here And here's the thing Through performance I disagree though

[00:23:44] And photography I'm sorry to say I disagree I like the revenant because I believe that nothing matters And I'm an eyelist So you like because the movie doesn't matter And it's not about anything Yeah yeah it's just about Nothing's just about pain And cold Yeah And wet

[00:24:01] To me the revenant is just like Just don't go over there Yeah Just do you like live in a town That has like toilets and you know A store To me the revenant is like Nicer Make this movie That's the things David Yeah Like I mean I know

[00:24:15] When's the revenant set Like the 19th century right Like I don't know Sometime in the 19th century Yeah What what it's cold It's fucking cold over there Just chill out man But to me not to make it Emblematica too much It was just like

[00:24:28] Okay revenant is like the most movie Right Sure It's like so much fucking movie And it's so showy And it's in your face And it looks great And there was so much narrative About how difficult it was to make Yeah And oh my god the experience

[00:24:41] You gotta see how big this and that Leo's finally gonna get his Oscar That was a huge part of it And Brugspies You gotta see Leo's performance That's gonna get him his Oscar Brugspies just kind of Quietly sits back Yeah You know And it just

[00:24:53] It's got this very steady Very delicate hand But it's like a movie Where like There's not a single Unmotivated camera movement There's not a line wasted Every performance is note perfect You know from the top to the bottom And I think like There is A real problem today

[00:25:14] About movies like that Kind of being dismissed I feel like television That functions on that level And I appreciate it You know People lean into something Like Westworld and go like What do you read into that performance And this line And that shot And movies

[00:25:28] This is a problem in general I agree And movies have to be Fucking everything in your face All the time to work And when it's a good movie That's everything in your face All the time Great Give it the attention Give Mad Max the credit it deserves

[00:25:39] Give the big short It's attention I suppose Yeah I'm trying to think of movies Of that here I feel like that's In between the two points We're talking about Yeah I agree And I'm going to go back to Revenants the other point Big shorts right in the middle

[00:25:52] For me But it feels like movies Like this that are just Sort of classical Unfussy Focused Intelligent Thoughtful Tent to just get brushed Under Of like Ah, to watch that at home Bridgespies Yeah I saw it AMC 25 Was a fairly crowded screening I think it was during

[00:26:10] The first weekend But it was a thing where I was like I just got to check this On my list I'm thorough with Seeing Oscar movies I'm going to see it I did about it What did you see beforehand I can't even remember But I know that was

[00:26:22] The main attraction for me Whatever you were seeing Before hand I was like I'll see that Then maybe I'll throw Ambrige of Spies afterwards Of the feeling up to it And I saw that And I was like Oh good movie And I saw Bridgespies And we'll never

[00:26:35] Remember what the other movie Was it Steve Jobs No Was it I'm trying to see I'm looking at like Movies that Were sort of like Relic Was it Room No Can't even know

[00:26:47] was it pan was the great movie pan yes it was all right bridge oh spese okay so the movie opens with a bravura sequence ten minutes to great sequence for seven minutes are practically dialogue for sure a few kind of overheard muttered

[00:27:07] lines I look um Rudolph able by mark Rylan right the film great yes and is now Spielberg's muse like right like this is Spielberg's new muse he is in the BFG he's in ready player one and he's the pope movie that and he's about to

[00:27:24] start making is Spielberg making that yes I thought Scorsese was making no okay stillberg's making a movie about the pope going missing right the one with Oscar Isaac no it's not the pope going missing it's all about some kid who

[00:27:36] gets like adopted by the Vatican or something I don't mark Rylan's plays the grown-up version of that kid if I'm not mistaken oh I thought I think mark Rylan's plays the pope this is like a kid pope kind of I don't want to say I okay

[00:27:50] look we had a young pope but a kid pope we're gonna do tell no I want to know now we have to know now we have to know god damn it it's called the kidnapping of

[00:27:57] it guard of mortard torque mortara okay it's about a young boy Jewish boy in Bologna Italy who is taken to be raised as a Christian and it becomes part of a larger battle about the papacy and mark Rylan's indeed is playing

[00:28:11] pious the night pope pious the night okay I think well Oscar Isaac is the only other person who's in it maybe he plays the kid I know they're still looking for the kid I went to a diner the other day and they had a flyer about looking for

[00:28:22] kids to start a new ambulance Spielberg movie there's an exhaustive search for the kid that that's an exciting project to me I think Kushner's writing that right yeah it's like the third in Spielberg's scratchy chin Kushner

[00:28:35] movies the Hindu Kush that you do good yeah take another hit of that dink cush yeah but yeah he's working with Rylan's for the foreseeable future I mean even like the part loves right I mean it's one of those things where it's

[00:28:47] like Spielberg discovered you know this underrated three-time Tony winning like legend of British stage Mark Rylan's he was like this guy's got the goods I should throw him in a few my movie but it was weird that people

[00:29:00] didn't put him in movies forever you know I mean he was a very busy stage actor I think did he run a theater he ran the Shakespeare Globe right and he ran that company he did all kinds of weird things there like he would do all

[00:29:12] male productions all female productions like he liked to fuck around with the weird limited format of the Shakespeare Globe he also did a movie called intimacy in which she is ding dong and that's why he's one of our best

[00:29:25] living actor he showed his ding dong a bunch indeed he did I've seen that movie it's not bad that was very shocked standing dick it was a very shocking in Britain when it came there was a lot of fuss about it in Britain pretty

[00:29:40] graphic and friends quite graphic but in like it's one of those movies it's such a British movie where it's like it's about like an affair and you see a bunch of dick and you know boobs and stuff and then it's really just about

[00:29:51] like a couple of depressed people who you know what to do with themselves it doesn't have like a lot of plot but Spielberg cast him in this he wins the Oscar right he'd want to make PhD for a long time the idea was always first to

[00:30:03] be a Robin Williams film yeah he was waiting for the technology to catch up right problem he catches up and Rob Williams dies and he has the idea like oh this guy I just worked with he could play the BFG right ready player one

[00:30:15] there was that role was earmarked marked it's a Willy Wonka type role the man who creates this video game world he had earmarked at 4 Gene Wilder sure and was aggressively talking Gene Wilder Jesus don't be have

[00:30:28] Spielberg interested in you it's a curse yep yeah seriously Spielberg his second choice of the role was Fidel Castro he's serious no oh I get it I believe anything his third choice for the role was Richard Spencer who got off easy

[00:30:45] with only a punch you know what I just found out that guy has like 40,000 followers on Twitter he's supposed to be the leader of some scary movement yeah come on yeah I mean they the kid from Glee has a million followers Jesus like

[00:30:59] the kid from Glee he just means one of the kids from Glee like the ninth kid from Glee he doesn't even mean the main one to leave Michelle yeah exactly talking Kevin McHale or everything it's definitely something something yeah it's

[00:31:12] not Kevin already Kevin McHale was the power for the bus whatever um but but he had desperately wanted to pull Gene Wilder of retirement and when he's Kevin McHale that's so weird it just says a lot that like Gene Wilder

[00:31:30] can't do it okay Rylan right I mean right I mean and then I think this Pope movie he mostly did because he thought it was a good fit for Rylan's that became his next project damn I like the sick of Rylan's I mean I love Rylan's yeah

[00:31:43] alright so Abel Rylan's great has been noted we should get through the first half this movie quicker because this movie is kind of defricated yes a little bit I mean that the the essential story is you know it's

[00:31:56] sort of like one thing happened and then after a little while another thing but it's almost like a six act movie because it's like the first hour of the movie has three acts and feels like it resolves itself and then another

[00:32:07] movie happens it's like a dip that's accurate that movie is three acts and then the end of the movie kind of unifies the two so the first beautiful is about the arrest of Rudolph Abel who is a spy this great braver opening sequence

[00:32:18] where he's getting a little little thingy from a coin painting like Spielberg grabbing you from the opening shot it's like a close-up of Rudolph Abel right the camera pulls out a little bit you see it's his reflection in a mirror

[00:32:32] he's looking at himself in a mirror right okay you know obvious symbolism but it's like you know this is a movie that's gonna be dealing with identity you know and the unknowable nature of who this guy is what side he's on and what

[00:32:44] rights he deserves and all that and then we pull out a little bit further track back and we see that he's painting himself so within this one frame you have like his actual head his reflection in the mirror and the painting of

[00:32:56] himself sure and it's just like it's beautiful right it's a beautiful stage setting yeah and now you see the sort of process of him picking up the phone no one responds that tells you everything as he stands there

[00:33:08] this is such a fucking like this is a performance with this dudes acting with every fiber of his being like every single micro gesture every muscle tells you something about this character who is very enigmatic right and unknowable

[00:33:22] and then you see this awesome process shit of him cutting up the coin taking the thing out look at the numbers right goes outside brings his little easel goes paints and you start to see people follow and you're not gonna clumb or

[00:33:38] does he from the wire sure plays the lead agent sure this bunch of other guys but you're not hearing them go like that's him doesn't know they but they do kind of start running around when they know he can't it's a lot of looks and so a lot

[00:33:49] of quiet you know reasonably paced walking and then he sort of notices on the subway and he loses them and you're watching and you're like does this guy know what's going on is he smarter than he looks or is he dumber

[00:33:59] than he looks sure gets back to his house and they first in yeah and they take him they're calling him the colonel he's very calm weirdly calm he does do one clever thing though he wants to wipe the paint off his easel because otherwise

[00:34:12] it'll dry up and in the process yes office pallet in the process he muddies up the secret piece of paper that was inside the coin yeah good job Rudolph that is the only honestly it's like the only sort of not even clever is not

[00:34:29] like you know cunning thing that we see him do sure apart from that he's he's all you know it's all tightly wrapped away like we don't see no whatever motivates him to be a Soviet spy we don't learn much about his history I

[00:34:44] love we learn like a smidgen we hear one story from his childhood you know but and and he's arrested he's a Soviet spy the real rough able was not considered like a major spy but they did get him so they had him you know and

[00:35:02] it's a big deal Spielberg fades to black and then fades back into the face of Tom Hanks yeah and from the first frame you just go like okay Hanks has officially entered a new phase of his career I'm not saying this was the

[00:35:16] beginning of that phase yeah but this is sort of like when it really started achieving like cruising altitude which is Tom Hanks is like fucking Spencer Tracy you know absolutely Tracy's a good analog for what he's doing here yes you

[00:35:31] know he's making films with American masters mostly he's let himself age more than most actors do is no illusions about trying to seem cooler hip right which in a way makes them cooler hip yeah you know I mean Hanks has

[00:35:44] become a bit of a like a lower level Bill Murray type hipster icon yeah people love his tweets and shit but it's also just that he's America's dad and he has no shame about that he makes dad jokes and shit like that but also he's

[00:35:56] jolly now you know he looks funny but he looks like an adult yeah and it's just I was talking about this with Richard Lawson good friend of the show passing future guest sure about like this has become my new favorite

[00:36:12] like genre of movies I look forward to every year which is like Tom Hanks yeah working with a classicist making a movie about someone who's really good at their job movies that are owed to American professionalism we're talking

[00:36:26] about Sally yes obviously yeah I would even it's not obviously an American master but I really like hologram for the king which I think was kind of underrated 2016 but that's not movie about competence in the same way is

[00:36:40] it because that's more movie about a middle-aged crisis right yeah it's got more things going on than that I mean it was sold mostly as the middle-aged crisis I think it also does end up being about him being good his job in the

[00:36:51] midst of a breakdown Captain Phillips I fall into that category Captain Phillips for sure more of a thriller but it's also about him managing that situation so well and just being a real blue inferno

[00:37:05] obviously right yeah I mean that's about a guy who knows how to deal with an inferno I mean no one's better at the job than Robert Lane name one person's better at their job than Robert Langton is an inferno

[00:37:13] about like Robert Langton like wakes up out of a coma and they're like you are a criminal like he's been like framed there's video footage of Robert Landon stealing the kind of artifact he usually like he like stole the Mona

[00:37:25] Lisa by mistake or whatever right good stuff yeah he came on the yeah he jacked off onto man the only thing he's got next year is that fucking James Ponsol movie the circle it looks like a piece of poop well where

[00:37:37] he's playing like Steve Jobs yeah where he's playing Larry Page yeah that's the only thing he's got next year well I'm looking at Wikipedia I hope you throw something else on the schedule let's get some hanks some more

[00:37:47] hanksy the thing the disrespect the Academy Awards showed him with Sully and showed Sully in general but especially showed him in a week year for Oscar yep I mean look I love Vigo Mortensen as an actor I did not

[00:38:01] like Captain Fantastic at all he's pretty good in it he's always good I'm happy for him to get another nomination like you know no beef yeah but that you're given that an Oscar nomination and ignoring Hanks and Sully

[00:38:14] it's also weird that Hanks who was known as Mr. Oscar forever and is literally like on the board of governors for the same thing they do to Spielberg yes because they nominated this movie for much they

[00:38:23] didn't nominate a school for granted because yeah well I think and I don't even I don't even hate the argument of like look we gave you the trophies yeah what do you need from us like yeah congrats we're gonna

[00:38:35] leave you off so Larry Abrahamson can get a nomination that's the thing it feels fucking contrary I agree I agree I'm but I'm just saying like that's the only other thing in his is Toy Story 4 yeah oh Hanks should

[00:38:48] have been nominated Phillips should have been nominated for Bridget Spice should have been nominated for Sully the fact that he was nominated for none of those is egregious true and as well as his last nomination

[00:38:57] castaway is that the last one that really true which is insane which was 2000 his last nomination was 17 years that's yeah that's not I guess 16 years ago because the nominations were now whatever who fucking gives a shit

[00:39:12] please will you just look at yourself in the mirror I do and I don't like what I say yeah cast the thing that Richard Larson I talk about though is that there's the meta textual element to Hanks has become just so fucking

[00:39:25] yeah that watching these movies is watching someone who's really good at their job play someone who's really good at their job not untrue and the key to it is I think Hanks who has always been an excellent actor right has gone through

[00:39:36] different phases of career but it's always been excellent actor yes he has used to have more sort of tricks and I don't use that in a dismissive way most movie stars have tricks they have their moves that people see and makes

[00:39:48] them feel comfortable they know that's the thing that actor does you know this type of vocal pattern this type of face this type of emotional beat that's what they're good for or that's what they're known for all of that right yeah

[00:39:58] Hanks I think has become just one of the most effortless seeming he's very effortless actors without any real starting handles starting at with like after cast away yeah cast away is loaded with tricks obviously great performance in 2004 that double headers tricky as shit what's the two

[00:40:17] triple header the fucking lady terminal later killers polar express that's true super tricky he starts going back and forth between the tricky shit yeah but then like he really I think hits like this decade 2010 okay he starts just

[00:40:34] becoming this very pure simple effortless actor well okay and we really we're not obeying our rule which was to get through the first time thanks as you say with Tracy he's playing this like you know this like shard of

[00:40:46] conscience that America cannot remove you know so it's like able goes on trial Hanks is this like respected lawyer respected insurance lawyer who worked at the Nuremberg trials Jeffrey Donovan I mean sorry James Donovan yeah every

[00:40:58] dollar actor who has picked like look the guy needs a lawyer you know will you do your duty and just represent him in court someone needs to maintain the America right this is a Soviet spy we're gonna we're gonna be better than

[00:41:13] the Soviet Union we're gonna give this guy a real day in court then of course Donovan like decides to put some puts back into it takes a bit of a shine to able yes right yes this is what's great about it I mean do you see that able

[00:41:29] gets a shine box out yeah yeah yeah like Billy bats yeah he tells him go get your fucking shine box and he goes gladly this guy I'll do it ladly do it do it do it not like this have you seen that clip that video where every

[00:41:45] time the lightsabers hit it just says it's just Palpatine saying do it yeah do you do you watch baskets have you seen the beginning of season two which will be like seven months old by the time I have no he joins up with a bunch

[00:42:01] of vagrants like homeless people who live under the bridge and have their own sort of like traveling circus routine busking cool and all of them have names of the Nebuchadnezzar crew wait really it's never called out really really

[00:42:14] because the funniest bit called like a pocket switch Morpheus a pocket Trinity I don't think there's a switch but they're five of them it's such a good bit I gotta catch like they go like this is more talk about that people were

[00:42:29] just like forget it forget it we're not gonna talk about it it's so good it really good also one it's just tough it's just tough to watch a couple of those one of the coolest things the Emmys have has ever done was giving the award to

[00:42:43] Louie Anderson which on paper sounds like a stunt thing but you watch the horns and that's a very specific very understated we are okay bridges okay bridges five the opening scene is so fucking good this is fucking screen

[00:42:54] writing examine it the scene where he's talking with the guy he's an insurance lawyer that's all he does and he's explained that his client who started a 10 car crash pile up right not pile up at a 10 car he's his client

[00:43:07] who know it's knocked over five motorcyclists okay that's what his that's what Hanks his client did right and he's saying this guy did one thing right the guy goes your client accident he goes if you get a strike you 10 things

[00:43:20] happen one half right right and the guys like excuse me I'm representing five aggrieved people right and he's a each of which had a bad thing happened to that right and he says your guy and time answer goes not my guy not my

[00:43:30] guy and it tells you like everything about this character set up here what's his thing whatever case he's on he's gonna take seriously he knows the law inside and out right okay but it's very clear that he's just he's a lawyer for

[00:43:43] hire he doesn't respect his guy that's the differentiation you know not my guy but what does he respect Griffin the law the rulebook yes loves the rulebook and so they give him this case and they go look represent this guy don't do

[00:43:56] too good of a job but do they don't even say that they just say just give him his day in court it's kind of inferred Hanks immediately is like hey I need more time for this case because you know you've got a mountain of evidence

[00:44:05] here and the judge played by dakin Matthews who was in Lincoln good and extremely good in this he's good in Lincoln too but he's really good in this also gives an amazing tiny supporting performance in true grit

[00:44:15] oh he's fantastic in true grit he's the guy what a great movie yeah he's the guy who tells her to go to rooster cogburn and he has that series of lines where he's describing rooster cogburn dakin Matthews has the

[00:44:27] great this great sing songy voice he's got this sort of English accent like quasi English accent to his voice and he's there's something just judgmental about everything he says there's something like perfectly judgmental well there's the moment true grit where he's recommending rooster

[00:44:43] cogburn to her and he takes a deep pause and he goes he likes to pull the cork and it's just like in his tone you know everything about like he tried to find the simplest least aggressive way to say that to say

[00:44:57] this fucking drunk to a 14 year old he likes to pull the cork yeah love dakin love him he's in Gilmore girls he's great everyone keeps on going like okay congratulations you're a lawyer we get a fair trial and it's

[00:45:15] just they are pushing the envelope maybe not quite as extremely is like you know a country that would do a show trial but still where they're just like get the fuck out of here like the judge is essentially saying like we

[00:45:26] get out of here so I can like convict this man right and to him it's like what's different about this guy from a dude who caused a motorcycle accident like I don't personally like that guy either yeah but I'm an insurance

[00:45:37] lawyer he's covered by our insurance policy I have to find out the way to best offend him okay they don't have a search warrant for the apartment yeah he's complaining about the warrant you can't have this like the

[00:45:48] warrant doesn't apply here because it's not his end the judge is like huh like no shut up are you talking about what we got he's a spy did you hear that this guy's a Soviet spy I know we're moving fast because there's a lot of

[00:46:01] movie to cover but we let's take a step back and go to the first able Donovan well that's a very important scene because it's where able to get now to shine by or just telling thanks to get out of shine box yeah

[00:46:13] because able himself has a real guard he's you know right a spy and it kind of interrogated so obviously he's closed off you know what is kind of inferred through the movie is this is a man who did what he need to do to

[00:46:25] survive and more than that keep his family safe yeah right he doesn't seem to much like Donovan yeah I think he's just a man who's good at his job he doesn't personally care about advancing the Russian cause yeah but

[00:46:39] he has a Russian wife and it's trying times and he does what he needs to do so he just kind of has this guard up maybe I don't know that's not quite a carry on it doesn't feel like he has a political investment but the movie

[00:46:53] exists in a gray area you don't know yeah right these things are kind of inferred and so he's just got this thing where it's like look I know what you're gonna do you're gonna fucking rake me over the calls and Donovan goes

[00:47:03] out of his way to explain like I work for you I don't work for the government you know all this sort of stuff yeah and Rylandt is kind of testing him and says like can I get some stuff to draw with and he goes

[00:47:14] like no I can't give you stuff to draw with right and Rylandt says the like if one of your American spies you want them treated well right now this feels like Rylandt's trying to game him a little bit right sure I mean

[00:47:23] he's trying to like use some sir Mark Ryland sir Mark but this kind of hits tanks where he just realizes in that moment like right this is a guy who's good at his job sure and he respects that and you know and this

[00:47:38] is a movie that's coming out while you know debate is still raging over Guantanamo Bay yes still raging over how we treat enemy combatants still raging over our general treatment of like people we arrest who are not

[00:47:49] citizen of this country and just recently our president is a promoting torture so continue I mean that's the only this way that maybe want to cry yeah it's like you know it's just you see this movie it's like what a

[00:48:05] refreshing representation of patriotism yeah but then at the same time it's not like the movie is sweet you know is glazing over the fact that like in the fifties and sixties we were up to all kinds of like dodgy shit okay we're

[00:48:20] messing with the Constitution like the left and right and I also love that and it's similar to Lincoln in this respect the reason he's doing this is because he takes his job seriously yeah it's not that he's you know Martin

[00:48:33] Luther King he doesn't come in here being like yeah I want to make sure this guy has you know yeah he's not an idealist because that's another thing that he keeps saying in the movie every person matters every person matters and

[00:48:45] he just wants to get home again right right okay so alright so so he so he enable like look he gets the shinebox out yeah and then there are series of other scenes you see them talking and they start to warm up to each other as

[00:48:57] much as able can warm up to anybody you know he starts getting a sense of who able is seeing that he is deep down a decent man and you know but it still mostly is professionals we're both just like smiling talking about this

[00:49:10] movie this movie so lovely and and then you know stand man no no well you know able sentenced Hanks goes to Dakin Matthews Judge Matthews and pleads like hey don't execute this guy you might need a chip essentially for when one of our

[00:49:29] guys gets captured that's his like pragmatic argument here right and the movie doesn't like have some scene with him and Amy Ryan you know who plays his wife you know someone thankless role yeah where he's like I really like this guy

[00:49:44] you know like yeah but you get it you know you get that maybe he's right when he says like I mean of course he's right and he turns out to be absolutely right but you know that he also kind of just likes the guy yeah but but

[00:49:55] we're introduced I mean he's a lawyer lawyers are supposed to make that make it that you don't get electrocuted like you know that's that's part of their job that's a job and he takes a lot very seriously and there's I

[00:50:06] think it's the first scene with Amy Ryan which is the dinner conversation so he's Billy Magnuson who's really good in the first 30 minutes and who is gonna hit at some point at some already a great stage actor great in into the woods like you

[00:50:19] know he's been really great in the meddler really great in the man he's been popping up yes what else has he been in I'm going to look he played a kid okay when he's versus or Jason and great in the big short for a couple

[00:50:29] scenes oh right yes with a man Schmidt yeah yeah just just just a great young actor he's an incredibly handsome actor with a character actor he's he's sticking it to Hanks junior he's sticking it to hit lead to daughter

[00:50:44] which I love the way they fucking deal I love the way they deal that they don't acknowledge it publicly ever not even at the end like Hanks get home and Billy Magnuson is like I'm gonna but you know that Hanks figures it out right

[00:50:55] when he says my associate yeah like two hours into the movie do you know what I'm talking about right you know what you're talking about yeah so Billy Magnuson is Hanks's junior like buddy you know over over over his feet and he

[00:51:07] makes him you know he's he has a little fun with them and makes it so it's like you gotta go over you can stay late tonight right and he's like I had a date and Hanks is like you can stay late right he's like yeah no of course

[00:51:17] I could stay late right and it cuts the hands gets home and he starts talking about hey they want me to take this over we're just calling him I know he wants me to take this case and they go are you gonna do it and he

[00:51:26] goes well I'm not sure I'm weighing over this is before he's met the guy so he's got no shine yet right and he's just in love with the legal process and he starts to explain them like every person deserves a fair trial he goes what if

[00:51:36] they're not American what are the principles this country you know he's going on about all this stuff and then a beautiful beautiful fucking Spielberg setup right where it's like gesture minimal you know like a bare minimum of shots explains the entire dynamic where Billy Magnuson walks

[00:51:53] in right sure carrying a bunch of files sure it is a close up of and all we've already established the girl got stood up daughter got so what do you do home tonight she got stood up like here in curlers maybe or something I can't

[00:52:05] remember like maybe not but like yeah and let's also mention the daughter is Bono junior is that right yeah I didn't know that she is adorable yes she is in the name of Eve she's in the nick yeah that's what I know her from yeah she

[00:52:22] was the nurse yeah there's only one nurse the one I thought this row is called the nurse it's called the neck Nick okay not to be confused with the mic a title that should not be on network television today oh yeah boy why are

[00:52:33] we strong with that okay well apart from the fact that it's a racial slur they've enjoyed the someone got slipped a Mickey or whatever like you know they've been doing that a lot in the tagline like no no no no no no no I'm

[00:52:46] Irish so I could say this but I heard the working title is the donkey okay great I love five comedy points economy of fucking storytelling right what are you doing home I got stood up well whoever that stood you up as an idiot right I

[00:53:04] believe I what's the word he uses a great word he does and I'm butchering it you are and then of course Magnuson comes in okay and her face here's the setup oh you it's a close-up of her you see in the background the door open she

[00:53:18] looks over her corner shoulder to see who it is catches him just out of the corner of her eye and the second she knows it's attempt snaps back to position yeah and they hold on her facial expression and it tells you

[00:53:29] fucking everything there's no he's got shun hanks doesn't clock it it seems like he doesn't clock it in this moment Billy Magnuson doesn't there close-up where he mouths I'm sorry to her right he doesn't put paprika on the

[00:53:40] sandwich there's no paprika on this sandwich I'm glad you're using that because you know you were skeptical when I use that in the split episode short hand yeah exactly it shortens my rant significantly if I have a term I can

[00:53:52] use to speak on the sandwich in some movies not Stevie Spielberg he takes it out of the spice rack just a sprinkle back in the rack and it's all sorry that I yelled that so we're back back in the Spielberg rack is that what

[00:54:08] the paprika sings yeah everyone paprika was a character on blues close when salt pepper and paprika as a child that episode blue my mind it was crazy um spices fucking are you kidding me weird but then way later in the movie

[00:54:28] I just want to get this over with the Hanks is recalling something about who is it someone's the same age as Billy power's not powers I'm sorry the student yeah prior prior yes 25 years old and and Hanks goes like that same age as what

[00:54:43] did I don't even know Magnuson's dog dog and CIA guys like who and he's and he sort of stops and he's just like my associate and you get that Hanks is

[00:54:53] like oh I get who this kid is to me you know like I get what this kid could be my future son-in-law yes that's when he realizes it there's another parallel with the German kid as well we're talking about German kid wait which German kid

[00:55:04] the German kid who is working at the office oh yes yes yes yes absolutely I was just who is that actor so he's great he's another thing I know that guy I know that man all right keep talking guys um what I like about the way that

[00:55:23] this is used is it's just another color on the palette you know this is a movie that feels very expansive in just that every character is a person every person matters every life is valid and there's so much happening around it but keeps the

[00:55:40] story very focused all considering right sure but it just feels like the boundaries of this film much like something like Star Wars you know where we talk about the thing that makes Star Wars so great is that all these little

[00:55:50] things happening in the background all these characters seem to have these backstories to have a drama you know the take us in the real world yes where it's humanism feels that broad with you 100% of the way I'm really just trying to

[00:56:03] figure out who this fucking German kid okay so that's all set up that all happens able dodges the electric chair goes to some controversy I already said that but there's the standing man scene happens right after this and then yes

[00:56:16] before they decide that he goes I think we have grounds for a missed trial and able kind of just like he's small gets it more than Hank's does more than Donovan does what the why are you like yeah this is crazy I'm going to jail

[00:56:31] and he gives this incredible monologue that's probably what wins him the Oscar right I mean this is Oscar speech is his Oscar speech the whole performance is immaculate yeah but sure this is his Oscar speech where he gives the speech about you remind me of someone

[00:56:45] there's this man who used to come over for dinner a lot my parents say look at this man this is an extraordinary man I never saw him watch this man I never saw anything extraordinary right and thanks goes like oh thanks for

[00:56:55] the compliment right because then one day they come over they start beating you know yeah they throw my parents on the ground they throw him down the ground they beat him and he gets back up right and they beat him even harder and he

[00:57:06] still gets back up and eventually they stop and they leave right and I think it was because he kept standing right strike a machine comes through the music it means standing right it roughly means and the Thomas Newman music

[00:57:21] swells which I think we've argued about this before I think the score is pretty Newman by the numbers I don't think it's a particularly good score I think Williams didn't do it because it's the first time Williams hadn't worked with

[00:57:29] Spielberg and still having health problems no it's because he was maybe but I mean he was also busy with Star Wars I believe he was having health problems and because of that he only had time I mean Williams is slower than

[00:57:38] he used to be yes I think this soundtrack is a fucking jam it's okay it's fuck music for me I light a candle I put on bridge of spies by the way I'm so glad I looked up who the German secretary is a Max Moff he's in

[00:57:53] sensate people he's Felix he's the little rat face guy who's buddy with dick boy remember he's the friend of dick boy yeah he gets shot he's in like every episode yes he is he was great on he should have shown his dick then

[00:58:07] we would have remembered that dick out to gun that dick out to slip the dick in a phone call Romley's calling me I'll pick up later what's up what if I answered on on the podcast I mean they'd be kind of like a lame gimmick right I

[00:58:19] don't think that's worth doing so the Newman score swells and and the camera you know pushes in on hangs sure and we get you know this is when the movie is really starting to frame him as an everyday right you know sure so

[00:58:35] he makes he's made this plea to Deacon Matthews mm-hmm and in a very controversial ruling it works and people flip the fuck out they're screaming in court they're throwing shit you know right and he says to Alda like you know

[00:58:49] I think you know he's still trying to work it and says we can get this over turn sure and Alan Alda who we haven't talked about yet but plays his boss the guy who signs him the thing and really only has like three scenes yeah but you

[00:59:00] know always a welcome presence in the film Alan says like what the fuck are you doing yeah he calls him Hanks which is weird it is yeah and he's like tell me right now that there aren't grounds to overturn the ruling and you tell me that

[00:59:19] I'll drop it right now and he's like you know that's not what I'm saying right but what what's the fucking end game right what's the point here every person matters it's the end doesn't say that and the rules and the rules at this

[00:59:29] point has hanks hanks has been followed by the CIA oh we confront the CIA who has played in a fantastic performance yeah that's his name right something I'm just double-checking yes I might be getting his first name wrong

[00:59:42] he's a great stage actor a lot of good stage actors from the elevator service that's right right Scott shepherd is Scott shepherd sorry I knew wasn't that Matt shepherd is the elevator repair service the theater company right he

[00:59:56] and he says to the guy is essentially saying I'm like why the fuck do you care about this guy you know he's a Soviet spy and Hanks is like you're German right like a German extraction I'm Irish mother and father both parents I like how

[01:00:10] he says that he says mother and father both parents if we don't language is so good it is it is and he's like what makes us Americans though is the rules is the Constitution that's what makes us Americans look I don't care if you

[01:00:24] think this is schmaltzy it's not schmaltzy it's inspirational the whole point genuinely inspiration not like a dog's purpose inspiration exact the whole exactly because the whole point is he's not he doesn't triumph per se he

[01:00:36] wins a small battle in a large war it's what it's emblematic of it's what it represents what he represents which is the idea of that's what America was founded to be right yes welcome all comers take them try to treat those

[01:00:51] with the respect that you would want to be treated with yes so now on this thread of conversation I'm so excited I hope that we can finally get to when he is in Germany and East Berlin hey Benny you were trying to move us along yes

[01:01:05] yes I am so I'm just saying is the relationship between Hanks and then the German official that he meets with dude it's so amazing let me just let me just bridge the gap let me bridge the gap pun intended they send Rylan's to

[01:01:23] J.O. and we've been seeing concurrently these sort of brief scenes of Gary Powers and Jesse Plemons as well you know like at these these American soldiers being some pilots being selected to fly you to spy missions you know

[01:01:39] spy planes called the article it has highly powerful cameras and they're gonna fly over territory to get some good shit from Michael Gaston as their boss he's I love that actor yeah he's always good some bad shit from Gaston

[01:01:52] from Beauty and the Beast who in general is a fuck boy not in this movie I'm just saying good character no one fights like he does bats that is true no one does awesome stowell is Francis Gary Powers who's like one of those I don't even know

[01:02:05] that actor but like one of those things Spielberg obviously just like perfect you got the look the right attitude he's in dolphin tail and they you see all this sort of briefing of like they give him the dollar do not be afraid to

[01:02:16] use the dollar to spend the dollar to kill yourself right you get captured way anyway so this is brief he gets captured France Gary Powers shot down over enemy lines he doesn't kill himself doesn't kill himself he's put on

[01:02:27] show trial in them you see it like a brief very cool shot yeah of the show trial where like the camera zooms out and like there's the Soviet low it all looks surreal everyone stands at the same time when the verdict

[01:02:40] is read and like and so it's basically like they've got one of our guys now right and the scenario he predicted has come to pass the sequence of powers getting shot down is just a good Spielberg action fantastic Spielberg

[01:02:52] action sequence where there's like he's not all he's trying to do is blow up the plane like and that it's yeah he turns that into that was like 40% of the trailer right because they try to make the trailer basically like a pilot like

[01:03:03] getting shot over and they play like basic trailer thriller over that but I also feel like I like the way I've seen the movie four times now and every time I read the scene differently as to whether Powers just doesn't get

[01:03:17] the opportunity to kill himself or doesn't have the courage to do it and I know when you right that's what's great yeah that's what's great power says much later as we began this podcast with he says I didn't tell him anything and

[01:03:30] time is like look no one's gonna believe you but doesn't matter whatever you think but doesn't matter you know what you did that's what the rack that's the other thing about this movie is it's like doesn't matter what people

[01:03:39] think about you it's about knowing that you can live with yourself because you did the right thing I wish I'd come up with back in the rack at the start of this podcast series because then for any time Spielberg puts the spice back in

[01:03:48] the rack we could use it it's a great back in the Spielberg rack it's a great shorthand just like too much paprika in the sandwiches great I mean we've got if and if nothing else this may seriously is established two great

[01:04:00] shorthands we can now apply to any director yeah but I mean like I think some of our next directors maybe they don't put the paprika back in the rack it's not so easily oh I mean they do a lot of just emptying the

[01:04:13] paprika yeah I would say some of our next directors dump the entire rack into the pot yeah they never had a rack there's a trough right including the actual rack the wooden rack is in the pot as well all right so so

[01:04:24] Donovan is being threatened a lot at this point hey yeah people come they shoot up that's made up and I don't like that they include that scene I think it's yeah but so now government agencies come to him it's our friend old poopy diaper

[01:04:38] himself that's right Peter McRobbie as all Alan Dulles the director of the CIA he goes here's the deal and this is like the movies now at like the hour mark right yep in a two-hour 20 minute movie yep because here's the deal powers have been

[01:04:52] kidnapped looks like you were right he's Peter McRobbie is fantastic in this scene because he's got that kind of oh well you know he's not your guy or our guy and you're not our guy you're your guy but of course you're our guy and so

[01:05:05] Hank's keeps being like what's the where's where are the lies here like what you know what is my fiction that I'm gonna be establishing in this whole negotiation but this is also the first scene where Hank says what about my guy

[01:05:16] where we're able as right his guide this is a big emotional turning point fair point and he goes you gotta go over there and negotiate now here's the problem I don't know if you know this Berlin little crazy little dicey

[01:05:29] they appear to be building a wall which is an objectively terrible idea PS yeah for any country to agreed the walling off East Berlin so he's you know if you guys don't know after World War two Berlin Germany and set was bisected and

[01:05:41] you know it was East and West States one governed by the Western hemisphere by the Allies that was capitalist and the Eastern Germany was very Soviet and Berlin itself which was in East Germany was divided in half as well and the

[01:05:54] Berlin airlift would bring in supplies from the West for West Berlin you should have said spoilers true spoiler alert East and West Germany spoiler and we're watching any movie that takes place before like the mid-six

[01:06:07] sure big spoiler hey don't worry though the wall does come down bring down spoilers Ben oh shit sorry that doesn't happen until British spies for yeah hyperbred yeah okay so so yeah so as Hanks is arriving the wall is being built

[01:06:25] right and student Frank powers I know Jesus no prior prior prior Frederick prior he's an American student who's studying played by will Rogers as American student who's studying like Soviet capitalism and sorry Soviet economics takes his bike over the wall to retrieve his professor seems to be his

[01:06:42] mentor also made realize oh his young pretty daughter there's clearly like yeah this is a father figure this is a love interest I mean the reason Spielberg lays all the you know the power scenes and the prior scenes in

[01:06:53] theirs because he wants this to be these to be real people you know the scene where it priors thesis is seized from him is is just makes you like the guy more because on the page right like to the CIA agents to shepherd's

[01:07:05] character whose name is agent Hoffman he's like fucking this prior he's an idiot he was in East Berlin in the 60s studying like Soviet like he cannot who what what kind of a fucking it's kind of like how now you

[01:07:21] hear like oh some guy like went to Syria because he thought he could save the world and he got like kidnapped by ISIS and you're like well I feel bad for him but what the hell is he doing over there you know it's not safe over

[01:07:32] there right now why that dickhead ride his bike over the wall as they were putting the bricks up and what's the answer very true and also her professor dad so he thinks he's gonna be able to get back

[01:07:48] over and whatever he's getting them back because he's American and it doesn't work this is historically fun just not how it actually but it doesn't matter so now the now so thanks is like oh this kid we got to deal with this kid as

[01:07:58] well and the CIA is like no don't worry about that kid don't worry about that now that's a distraction each one is on a different side of the CIA is like we want our guy powers who is a military asset so he might know shit and

[01:08:10] you're gonna give up able who's their military assets so they might want him we can get prior later prior to the student he's not important to us thanks doesn't like that thanks doesn't like that also the sea the CIA understands

[01:08:22] that because East Germany has prior rather than the Soviet Union even though they are connected countries East Germany is gonna try and muscle in you know be like hey we got hey you want a student oh check it out I'm

[01:08:34] having so much fun talking about great movie it's a very good movie yeah good so now it becomes what what you movie to have heard are the most Cohen affected stretches of the movie yeah those series of backdoor negotiations which are

[01:08:50] really great and you he's with all these very unscrupable people so Mikhail Gorovoi who's like this great Russian actor he's the guy who plays in one of my favorite characters in the movie the you know the Soviet yes the guy

[01:09:03] who's like oh I'm you know second secretary of East German you know embassy no big deal and then like he goes thanks goes back to shepherds like that guy's like the head of the KGB in Germany like that guy is not a nobody and he's

[01:09:17] almost a little too friendly where you're thrown off by how sociable he seems where his hangs is like can we just let's look this is easy able I've got able you've got and this is where I was watching with Joanna join what

[01:09:31] is what he's like you've got powers and you've got prior able for them perfect right you just sort of drops it in there yeah yeah for the two of them yeah and it goes no no no way we only have powers and priorities these nice Germany I have

[01:09:46] no you know right and also he keeps going like oh yours is the impatient plan like why must we rush but he's like pouring him a whiskey and he's being friendly and he's leaning forward and it's got a nice sort of item on the

[01:09:57] other side of the wall is Sebastian Koch who is a great actor from the life of others from any other German movies you might have seen yeah who's playing Wolfgang Vogel right and he's very Kurt he's very cold who is yes an East

[01:10:10] German lawyer yes who is curtain cold and is trying essentially to be like a big player in this whole that dynamic right they're trying to be like we are real country we are east the you know German Democratic Republic we are

[01:10:25] negotiating with America who does must take us seriously you must be a real country if you're negotiating with us and we have a guide to exchange and Hank keeps going like why I'm not I'm like I just a private citizen they're like no

[01:10:38] no no you're not no you're not your American diplomat you are I'm just here for my guy and when it becomes my guy these when you realize that like the tension of the movie is so wrapped up in like this these performances that

[01:10:52] the countries are trying to give yeah whereas the Soviet Union essentially is like I mean yes sure we'll take able and it's fine this is no big deal and like the Germans are like this is a very big deal what and that's the thing this movie

[01:11:04] becomes a film in order for this story to work it has to do two things one every scene has to be perfectly right is our speed racer right first field yeah one every scene has to be perfectly written to every performance

[01:11:15] has to be perfectly measured right because every scenes about leaning forward and going like I can't get a read on this person and every syllable every movement shifting the power dynamics of whether or not he's making

[01:11:27] progress or not right right because now you're getting to a lot of just conversations and big comfy chairs great comfy chairs by the way and then there is that also the way this is the scene I've definitely been told was

[01:11:38] a Cohen scene yeah is the scene where Donovan is like introduced to Abel's family right and they are these three like set kind of sort of cartoonish like babushkas who are like oh we love him like you know is he safe now earlier in the

[01:11:54] movie when Donovan goes to visit the whole over is made from like a letter from quote-unquote Abel's wife and this is the post sentencing jail yeah he reads the letter and he goes like this is an imposter is not even close to my

[01:12:06] wife so Hanks is already on guard about that right and on either side on one side they hire the actors where it's like talk about too much paprika in the sandwich these people are ham sandwiching fucking like crazy right yeah

[01:12:16] it's a honey baked on the other side Sebastian Koch mixes up the name of the daughter in the white and so it's like okay both these sides trying to use the family right and Hank starts to worry at this point like wait what do they

[01:12:27] think of Abel because they keep on going like maybe you've just gotten all the information you need out of him right and that's why you're ready to give him back to us and he goes like I can tell you he was a good soldier

[01:12:36] he's not told me anything right because Hanks is also quietly worried that when he gives Abel back to the Soviet Union that they'll kill him or he's in prison him Abels his guy all people matter now we've forgotten

[01:12:49] the most important thing in this movie which is he gets to Berlin and there suddenly everything is really difficult he goes they show him the shitty like I'm in the apartment and meanwhile the CA are hanging out of

[01:13:01] the Hilton right and they go here memorize this address get back to us he goes okay cool and they went no I mean now yeah you're not going to map because then they'll think you're a spy like here's what you have to

[01:13:10] do and he goes out in the first day do the negotiations and some kids mug him for his coat is some kids take his coat in a really good scene really good scene where there's no threat yeah there's no subtitling zero subtitles at any

[01:13:22] point right right beautiful great anytime someone speaking a language you feel like Donovan where you don't understand little yeah and Donovan speaks like a little German Denke Denke and and yeah so what does he get

[01:13:36] it's cold snow he gets a little cold it's cold and this is what elevates Hanks's performance which at this point has just been fucking solid as shit to like a fucking masterclass in acting yeah because Hanks plays the second

[01:13:49] half the movie he's just wearing down with a head cold yeah and and it's so underplayed it is it's this a masterclass of sniffles because he doesn't fucking overdo it and I'm watching scenes right and I'm like

[01:14:01] you know as an actor who's not good at managing my own life right I'll watch like things I'm in and I'll go like oh right that's that day where I didn't get enough sleep the night before and my eyes look like this or I'm noticing that

[01:14:12] I'm my reaction times are slow right yeah and I now look for that and other performances where I'm like oh that feels like they maybe were sick that day or they had less time to work on that scene or whatever it was right

[01:14:22] some of these scenes it just feels like man Hanks look shitty was he just like out late the night before and then like four to five minutes into a dialogue scene will take out a handkerchief and do a little sniffle and

[01:14:32] you're like oh right he just he's just just putting a little bit in there right a little bit of edge and that's where he just starts saying in all these negotiations look I have cold I just want to go home I just want to go

[01:14:46] home and get into bed I'm not trying to do anything bigger I don't work for the government rush why the rush and he's like look I just I appreciate everything we're doing here but just like I do in his job so you have

[01:15:00] Soviets who are a little coy but are essentially like sure able for power yeah fine yeah you got the Germans who are very uptight and are like not able for powers able for prior and not able for powers and prior only able for prior

[01:15:14] able for prior your rug salesman you're sung to people the same route and he goes rock salesman he says yeah yeah and and then you have the CIA shepherd who are like oh you know what's weird fucking with prior able for

[01:15:27] powers great I watch the movie with subtitles because like especially through watching movies sometimes I like to be able to physically like visually look at the language they say rock they subtletly as rug I pretty

[01:15:38] sure it's rock salesman see I think so too in the previous times I'd seen this movie without subtitles I thought it was rock I think maybe whoever just subtitled it a pet job I mean that that happens all the time yeah see all kinds

[01:15:48] of weird especially with heavy accents maybe it is rug I don't know I don't know he's a salesman song to people the same thing and it gets back to this point of no not two things one thing yeah both of you are getting the

[01:15:58] thing you want and I'm getting something from each of you but this is mutually beneficial to everybody but he doesn't like the idea that he's becoming a secondary adjunct part of this deal he wants to be making the

[01:16:09] deal yeah no the whole point is that the correctly these Germans understand that they're being treated like a junior partner you give me one thing I give you one thing don't have another thing happening in the back there are the great scenes with Sebastian Koch but then there's

[01:16:21] also the scene with his name is Berghard Clouner or something like Klausner maybe who is the sort of the higher up in the German Democrat like the Attorney General yeah and that scene where he's just

[01:16:34] like no it's nice it's good you want you want prior we have prior he's a young man young man good and then really playing right and Hanks is like yeah no but the two and he goes like no I think then the phone

[01:16:48] rings he picks up a phone and there's nothing in the picks up another phone it's so good this is so funny to it is it's weirdly funny with never like you know it no there's lots of funny little moments like

[01:16:58] when Hanks orders the two breakfast yeah he's so hungry yeah he wants the two breakfast at the same time and that's where this money feels really cool and I never got that that's a joke about the movie he gets the he

[01:17:11] wants there he's like I'll have a kind of breakfast in the American breakfast and they're like one after the other he's like at the same time just like powers and prior yeah yeah he goes can you deliver

[01:17:20] the five five and a half stars one of the best ones ever made that breakfast though yours the breakfast he's so desperate he's got a cold he's fucking tired he's been staying at the shit flop house and

[01:17:34] now he's at the whole team though it's not supposed to be because you know what I'm fucking tired I'm gonna eat a nice breakfast and they immediately tell him like the CIA come in there like oh great great great

[01:17:43] it'll just be power for powers for able great that means we don't have to even tell you that stupid message we got where it was like they'll do the Germans will do it to they said they'll do it but

[01:17:51] but just forget it forget it and Hanks immediately goes like God damn it I'm not gonna eat this breakfast I have to go thanks is like goodbye stay what you're not even gonna fucking eat this why would you cuz he's gotta do his job he's gotta do

[01:18:03] his job and so they line it all up right one of them they're gonna go to the titular bridge of spies they're going to go to they never call the bridge of spies I think but there's a

[01:18:14] plaque on it that says the bridge of spies it was always called a bridge yeah I don't think doesn't glinky mean of spies yes it's named after like the glinky palace look at that I think I'm right about literally Google that you are wrong you are

[01:18:30] dead wrong okay well turn it effects oh boy you were just doing that no they want it to go they actually changed the name now it's called spies that's what it is David so I was right all along the porters began calling it the bridge of spies

[01:18:48] five fact points thank you so they're like yeah let's do it on this secret little bridge over here not checkpoint Charlie which is the main crossing so they're like yeah able for powers will happen on the bridge prior at checkpoint Charlie right

[01:19:04] so he's a little nervous cuz he's like well we gotta take them at their word that this that they're gonna push prior over checkpoint Charlie at the same time that we're doing this but we don't have eyes there it's pretty free I don't have eyes

[01:19:16] but they just have to make a telephone call it's pretty face time they don't have the Tim Daly starring TV show eyes sure they don't have it in East Germany no they don't it never made it to East Germany because of East Germany's

[01:19:26] restrictive censorship yeah never got to see the TV show eyes starring Tim Daly I'm going to I'm gonna work this joke and here's the thing I'm gonna get every cent I can't out of this joke that's the real tragedy it is the real

[01:19:37] tragedy that's why the wall eventually came down they wanted eyes it's weird that they got early edition though they did get a call Chandler and you remember that one where he gets away with the cat would bring him tomorrow's paper today

[01:19:46] you were early and so you can talk about early edition has Carl Chandler been in a Spielberg movie yet seems like an obvious no he was in Super 8 which is the faux Spielberg movie cover band no that just seems that just

[01:20:01] seems obvious get him in maybe he should play the boy in the Pope movie yeah that's right he should play he should play all the he should play the he should play St. Peter's Basilica yeah I'm sure they've cast the boy four times now

[01:20:09] by the time this episode comes out yeah so eyes it was on ABC for a four glorious episodes before we're gonna cancel Tim Daly great early edition on the other hand lasted like six season at least five yeah good run

[01:20:24] so when we should mention that Hanks pushes the Germans over the line by having that little conversation with Felix from Sense 8 where he just sits and down to do great shots Janusz is you know having a blast as usual with his pools

[01:20:36] of light of the bikes going up and down delivering the mail and delivering the message and the guy goes like I'm sorry my boss had to leave and he goes I've been waiting here for fucking hour and now I can't talk to the guy and he goes

[01:20:47] I'm sorry and he goes look let me explain something for you and he starts a spiel and rat faces immediately like I should go get a higher up and he's like no I'm telling you listening to me I'm giving you a message

[01:20:55] and you need to deliver you need to deliver this which is essentially like if prior doesn't show up the Soviets are gonna know about it yeah and they're gonna be in yeah yeah another thing that happens is we see able

[01:21:09] for the first time in like 45 minutes the thing this whole second movie is playing out without Mark Rylance's dynamite work right and you'd think you'd miss it but you don't partly because he did such a good job that he looms you

[01:21:21] know like you get why Hanks is working this hard right and partly because everyone else is great too and everyone doing a great job was professionally made film with lots of great actors and there's a ticking clock I mean

[01:21:31] it's there's so much at stake but it also then they wake up able to you see the quick glimpse of them waking him up and he's sort of disoriented he doesn't know what's going on and then when he gets onto that bridge God like the two

[01:21:43] of them being back together in the same frame talking again it feels like fucking like watching a band reunite at the rock and roll of fame you know like the fact that he's been mostly missing for this hour and the

[01:21:53] backbone of this movie has been this weird mutual respect these two men have for each other just as professionals and family man absolutely I mean then Stoika music right so now it's like the tens of shit in the world and you're watching just like a bunch of people

[01:22:09] on a bridge standing on opposite sides waiting for a phone call intense no the Soviets show up and they're like here he is powers and Jesse Plemons is there and he's like oh yeah sure that's that's your hat yeah that's him

[01:22:21] yeah and then and Hanks is like no no no call trick point Charlie is you know my guy there this guy never met prior you know is he there no and so I think it's like we gotta wait we gotta because we're

[01:22:33] waiting to see if they're you know they're waiting to see if we'll just do the swap anyway right with CIA it's like get going to able they're like you're free go well this is the third time we forgot to mention

[01:22:43] this at all but this is the third time they use the would it help in the movie which is you don't seem nervous at all would it help would it help yeah you know and they say they say to able like

[01:22:56] your choice I mean who knows what fucking happens if we wait for this prior thing and it goes wrong you might get fucked over yeah but and also but Hanks is also saying to able like what's gonna happen to you

[01:23:05] and able is like well you know sometimes I mean his line way earlier that I love let me actually let me get the exact line because it's so good so while you're saying that I'll say the other thing that sure that Donovan says to able which is able

[01:23:16] says like what's the deal with this dude you know yeah why do you care about this right why do you care about prior and Hanks just has this line where he just looks in the eyes and goes like I really

[01:23:26] want this guy yeah you know like it would be creative we get and able sees in him like okay this is he's doing for these two kids what he did for me I'm how good a man this is and he's

[01:23:37] done so much for me man right standing man stretch of music where he just decides like able is like I'm in no way I can wait and it's just like oh my god he's fucking nice friends they're the two friends they were

[01:23:52] the original two friends they were the original two friends they were on the two friends bridge yeah and then we have to acknowledge that yeah but I locked the game I just love that line they did lock the gates I just love that line

[01:24:03] where earlier it's when Hanks is asking about his Soviet masters he says well the boss isn't always right but he's always the boss yes which is sort of being repeated here when he says like let's see how they greet me

[01:24:16] boss is always right maybe it'll be a hug but he's always the boss but he's always the boss that's what he says he goes what are you worried at all because when he talked to our friend in Germany the one who said like you know of course you

[01:24:27] would say that he hasn't told you anything you know but we'll have to we'll have to do a thorough investigation and decide what we do with him right able says you know he says are you worried and he goes I don't know

[01:24:40] and he goes how will we know what's going on and he goes if they embrace me right you know if they embrace me I'm probably fine if they put me in the back of the car without me then who knows they do the trade prior shows up

[01:24:54] they do the trade the most exciting phone call in the history of film great phone call and they do the trade and they put able into the back of the car and you know there's there's a looming sense of dread and Hanks comes home he's been telling

[01:25:11] his wife that she's been on a he's been on a fishing trip the whole time that he'd pick up something from the corner store yep or or he says he's gonna pick it up from where he's gonna get the marmalade in Britain he just gets a

[01:25:21] marmalade from around the corner right and she's like fuck you yeah Amy Ryan underserved although what can you do but a solid actress I mean yeah it's just sad to see Academy Award nominee Amy Ryan the role she gets it's just

[01:25:33] too bad I agree make a movie for her Steven Spielberg I agree but then of course he comes to TV right and so what happens is you see him walking through the door with her right and as they're walking in the kids who are all

[01:25:48] around the TV go mommy look and it cuts to the kids perspective and it cuts to the TV so you don't see Amy Ryan and Tom Hanks for a little bit right yeah you see the kids watching you see the news coverage which is announcing

[01:25:59] successfully negotiated the return of both powers and prior in exchange for able executed by this boss-ass lawyer yep name fucking Donovan right and the camera spins around to what you assume is going to be the shot of Tom Hanks standing there like a hero and instead

[01:26:16] Amy Ryan is standing mouth of gate and Tom Hanks is nowhere to be seen where to be seen where he go bed goes upstairs and Tom Hanks is lying face down sound could be dead in the bed he wasn't being cute all he wanted to go

[01:26:31] to bed he's not in it to be a hero okay now this is obviously where the movie should have yeah and then just give us the title cards over black instead we see him on the subway and we see a woman like look up from her paper

[01:26:44] they've been in an earlier scene where people are judging him on the sub hate him because now she's like oh and she gives him thumbs up or whatever and he is looking up and he sees kids climbing over fences earlier in the

[01:26:55] film he was on a train he saw kids trying to climb over the wall they get shot and it's very shocking good scene that's a good scene yes earlier see it looks for in smiles the title cards happen over that yeah I like

[01:27:06] that he then likes just starts reading his paper in the title cards float over his shoulder but yeah and point out that able lived a boring life in the Soviet Union and and Donovan became like a very famous negotiator during the Bay of Pigs crisis another right

[01:27:21] and they give you that awesome fucking stat where it's like they send him over to negotiate the release of a thousand people and he got nothing thousand people and it's like more this fucking dude this fucking dude good I love true story movies about people you know

[01:27:35] aren't well known and they could give you stats like that at the end and be like this guy's even better than you thought I reviewed this movie good movie you can read my review on the Atlantic but I talked about how like

[01:27:45] you know there's a lot of in this movie about like how we're not different right yeah like you know and like that though maybe that's what Spielberg's laying on a little too thick right here at the end but that's okay but in this age of

[01:27:56] populism I mean come on guys so what if there's borders we're all just people why can't we get along as I'll be friend this is an anti-zinephobia movie yes without politicizing it as such and I like for a movie that is so mired in

[01:28:10] politics it's actually weirdly kind of a political it's a humanist right that's what it is our main characters are never fighting for political causes they're fighting for basic human decency correct it's a just a stunningly empathetic movie and to watch people act on such kindness on

[01:28:29] empathy and decency moved me to tears to a light misting several times during the watch it's it's exactly you know people used to eagerly await the next Spielberg movie because he was like our greatest fucking popcorn like spectacle filmmaker right and this current mode Spielberg's in I you

[01:28:48] know I will see ready player one opening weekend no question because it's Spielberg and I'm curious right but for me I wait breathlessly for him to make another movie like this because now more than ever we need movies like this we do

[01:29:01] I need movies that don't take me away from the reality of the world and send me to another fucking dimension you know I need movies about how good people can be yes movies that aren't fucking modeling or saccharine you know but are hopeful with an earned

[01:29:18] hope about hard work and hard decisions I got no disagreement with just the fucking just human decency in the face of all that that surround us and engulfs us right now yeah I love this movie I totally agree I know people flip

[01:29:34] out about the ending a lot for me that's sort of like that's how I feel about the Lincoln ending where it really does I don't care about either right the Lincoln ending for me is like a somebody blocked for this for me I'm like

[01:29:44] yeah of course the movie would be better if it ended over look litigating this enough it's 90 seconds box of movies earned at that okay movie came out October 16th 2015 the best weekend of all well let's it's an interesting weekend it opened number three at

[01:30:02] the box office with 15 million dollars it eventually grosses 72 domestic and 165 worldwide a perfectly respectable if not incredible turn yes in the theaters number one is a new movie that week a comedy a goofy kids comedy with a hot transfer in this year no that is number five

[01:30:25] okay I know it's four right because come out October yeah okay maybe that was the movie you were seeing the same day as British spies no it's not because I saw that with Ramona under the show number one is a goofy family comedy live action live action

[01:30:40] with I guess some CGI elements what doesn't have fucking the bunch of CGI shit in it these days but not CGI characters I haven't seen it I think it might have no idea not really I don't know it's a weird movie and there's gonna be a

[01:30:52] sequel it was kind of a surprise critical and box oh good yes goosebumps yeah quiet little hit of 2015 yeah people say it's like surprisingly good people say it's pretty good although here the ending is weird yeah but anyway sure goosebumps number one sequel just

[01:31:08] announced get ready for that I'm sure by the time this episode comes out I'll have been announced as the villain in good grating playing the evil mannequin not the man can the ventriloquist dummy yeah you're playing slappy slappy thank you I was searching for that

[01:31:21] okay number two at the box office is the kind of movie that I can tolerate in the world that we're talking about which is essentially kind of a big budget genre movie that's just a little more grounded than some of this stuff

[01:31:34] it's an original no it's an adaptation of a book but you know it's a standalone movie and the one thing I would definitely say about this movie which has made 143 million dollars in three weeks wow is that he is funny it's really funny famed for its

[01:31:53] hilarity is it a comedy or is it just a very funny some people thought it was a comedy 90 members of the Hollywood farm press for example the Martian oh yeah I'm sorry I just laughed for a little bit I remember that time they left him on Mars

[01:32:12] the slapstick comedy of the year on Mars I rewatched them recently pretty good movie yeah perfectly funny it's about as funny as Bridget Spies like it's not a comedy yeah it's like a race against time drama like this is ridiculous gone girl is more of a

[01:32:32] comedy than the Martian yes it is gone girl is more of a satire which at least you can call a comedy yes thank you alright number four I just remember that other scene in Martian where they saved him oh boy okay number remember how he

[01:32:53] makes a shop all of you it makes it it makes for a lot of poop alright enough enough enough okay number three but just by number three business wise number for 13 million and R rated gothic romance crimson pink crimson peak I probably

[01:33:10] gave it away there but yeah yeah no goth yeah how many oh boy great movie in my opinion are sorely underrated my favorite geltorm geltorm movie you know very long that's a half and a half after me what does that mean

[01:33:24] I like some of it I dislike other parts what don't you like this is not an episode for me to get in crimson peak why not let's do it I just I feel like I'd like to watch it again I'm only

[01:33:34] so one time I think there is a lack of cohesion to all American del Toro movies I'm trying to think well I really like hellboy too but I haven't seen that one in a while I think how well honestly as we've talked about he'd

[01:33:47] be a good like you would I think how boy to works because it another huge fan of how erratic it is yeah I just think Spanish movies are so much better than the American ones I think the main Spanish trilogy the the chronos devils

[01:33:59] backbone pants lapping this looks so head and shoulders above all of his American work combined good I was just never into plans I'm right I don't know why yeah I'm excited for this next movie he's got coming out which is like a war yeah but it's

[01:34:13] always sounds good I think crimson peaks great though I think it's one of his best movies I like some of you like one of some of it okay and then number five hopes to translate to you've also got pan pan yeah more like panned by the critics

[01:34:28] indeed did I tell you that a year later I got an email I think I tweeted it certainly but I got an email year later literally a full cal pretty much an email that said just thought just wanted to tell you your review of the

[01:34:42] movie pan sucked thought you'd like to know that was the whole email it was all in the subject line burn the internet the intern is in there which is I think an underrated pretty pretty watch rewatchable yeah I think it's okay I

[01:34:58] think half of it's okay and there are there's like half of that movie that I when I'm watching it I think is a masterpiece their individual scenes in that movie where I'm like this is a great movie and then it goes to

[01:35:08] something I think is kind of now what happened to deniro like he likes money I mean yeah he's like a business man he owns a lot of real estate and he likes doing things like the Trebekah film festival and investing in restaurants

[01:35:20] and buying art and shit like that and he has more critical claim than anyone needs for one lifetime and he likes getting paid money so he can do the things he really likes doing sicario is in the top 10 lovely movie good looking movie wood lawn the hell

[01:35:36] is that oh that was an inspirational football movie that's right inspirational movie inspirational quote unquote the maze run of the scorched trials which probably the last maze runner right because they didn't make a ton of movie money and they like almost murdered

[01:35:49] lead actor they have scheduled a new release date for over for the third one they stopped filming yeah like a year ago yeah because their lead actor Dylan O'Brien got run over by a truck yeah and he has now recovered started filming on another movie and they

[01:36:04] claim when this movie is done he's gonna go back to the next maze runner film and it will be released with like a year and a half long break in the middle of production fantastic weird glad for that Steve Jobs black mass ever is which I just

[01:36:18] watched ever is okay yeah anyway so pretty spies I fucking love it if you haven't seen it see a god damn it okay and if you've seen it rewatch it again it's a it's a really you know what it's a good movie for the times

[01:36:33] we live in I agree it inspires you to be a better person I certainly I like watch the movie and said like how do I actually try to make positive change in this world you know aside from the obvious things our marches our petitions our phone calls our

[01:36:50] donations the things that everyone's sort of sharing on Facebook it's like what are the the moments of kindness and selflessness and empathy for others that I can do on a day-to-day basis agreed even those who you think are your enemies who do you think your

[01:37:07] enemies right now to direct Donald Trump yeah do you have like a showbiz enemy yeah I'm trying to think who gets a lot of my parts yeah yeah yeah like Colin Joe's for someone well con Trevor obviously obviously con Joe's and I aren't going

[01:37:22] up for the same part I don't know I did addition for weekend update did you know what am I asking no I'm trying to get the new guy is there there's always like at any given point in time there's like per year there's one

[01:37:35] guy who gets all the parts that I want and then the next year will be somewhat different like it was miles teller for a while but I feel like miles teller and I aren't competing anymore no what's miles teller doing with himself now you

[01:37:48] know what we should in this we should too at the point is I've handily beaten all my enemies in show business and every everything's good except for the world which is terrible which spies great movie five out of five ten out of ten would watch again

[01:38:04] world no good this is an average spies episode next week we end the BF taught me if you cast with the BFG no bonus episode for this series because there was a lot of one it's a lot of spillberg but you know BFG

[01:38:17] there's not as much to dig into in that movie so it probably will contain a lot of the earmarks that you might love of a bonus episode in in terms of sort of finality yeah this rankings what have you I don't know exactly

[01:38:30] that we'll do some right we'll do some right there one of those rankings hey thank you for listening please remember to rate review subscribe just do those things yes and good the red if you want anything yeah final thoughts about anything you want to say

[01:38:48] ah continue to believe in democracy in our country guys I know it's bad I'm predicting it's gonna get worse by the time this comes out but I hope that we all can continue to hold on to some of our ideals hey look user finance film critic but

[01:39:05] he's also one of our greatest truth tellers that's true um that's not a nickname it's just a compliment thanks man you're a good guy and yeah and as always we're back back on this field we gotta use it again this has been a ucb comedy production

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