Brokeback Mountain with Las Culturistas

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Wish I knew how to podcast you

[00:00:22] Ain't no reigns on this podcast. That's the one I like. That's my choice. We're recording to be clear This podcast grabs a whole of us wrong place wrong time or dead. You're doing it wrong. It's like I've said no CLA

[00:00:36] You have to meet so it's like every word coming out of your mouth like had to fight to get out You know what I mean? It just like escaped That's like one of the original great I and V trivia facts What?

[00:00:48] That like some 15 year old clearly was like oh shit I get movies Wrote like Heath Ledger's mouth posture in the movie reflects the fact that he is repressed as a character Did you write that? I didn't write that

[00:00:59] Someone did they were just like I bet you didn't realize the mouth is a metaphor Mouth posture Was mouth posture what they actually wrote? I think it was His mouth posture that is very 15 year old film buff His mouth posture

[00:01:15] See if you can find this this hot back Mouth Not seeing any mouth Yes gone. It might have been deleted since you read it It might have been deleted Do you know what weirdly my favorite line in this movie is?

[00:01:26] My favorite line is 8 no range on this one I know you already said what your favorite line is My favorite line in this movie is when Randy Quaid says I didn't pay you to have the dog baby shit the sheep while you stem the rose

[00:01:38] It is quite quite a poetic turn I have to jump in with my favorite line Please Jack Twist Jack Nasty You don't go up there to finish Early Michelle Williams slayage And when we don't talk about the women in this movie that is erasure Unafarious erasure

[00:01:57] Unafarious erasure and especially Anne Hathaway erasure Linda Cardellini erasure In more erasure We don't talk about the women slaying in this We've officially blown out all four mics at records feed You ask for us and you're gonna get us bitch I'm happy we have you

[00:02:16] You wanted the gay people to talk about the gay film You're gonna get the mics blown out, honey This movie launched Michelle Williams and Anne Hathaway as serious actos Ella Enchanted No Ella Enchanted Okay

[00:02:28] But the problem was that Ella Enchanted like people didn't get it at the time It was sort of like rules of the game where people were angry They were ripping up their chair Because Ella Enchanted is all about the Iraq war, right? Absolutely it's a comment

[00:02:40] Probing people weren't ready to deal with our sins Isn't Ella Enchanted the one where you can just tell that Like there's a gun pointed at Anne Hathaway where Disney's like We signed you to a five picture deal and you're doing a Disney movie

[00:02:52] And they siphoned it off to Mira Max They did, that's right And they're like you're gonna sing Somebody to Love by Queen And it's gonna be a long rendition of it Yes I forgot about Ella Enchanted Yes she covers the song and does the whole thing

[00:03:04] And it ends with Don't Go Breaking My Heart Right doesn't like the whole cast come out It's sick and you know like that's something where we need And Hathaway Erasure We need it's a race one We can't be remembering Ella Enchanted It was narrated by Eric Eidle

[00:03:17] I'm just reading Ella Enchanted It's kind of weird cast Carrie Ellwiss I think is the villain Yep Steve Cougan's in it Did you talk about it when you made a movie with Steve Cougan? The only thing I talked about was that

[00:03:26] You were like so Ella Enchanted tell me about it And you know to his I understand for him Everyone's constantly asking him about that So it's frustrating So he rolled his side but he was like I understand You wanna talk about it

[00:03:41] Look I know this is the question But it really is what inspired me to become an actor Please I would love to get a little look into the insight The process of that character and he was like I'm just so tired You can find all the interviews

[00:03:51] It's all I've ever talked about It's weird cause he plays the mountain And broke back mountain and no one ever asked him about that No one asked him about that Because they CGI'd him out And talk about repressed That mountain didn't say one word the whole time

[00:04:01] But it was a great performance Exactly it was an early mocap triumph Yeah By the way that movie Mo, I mean mountain Yeah mountain capture Right Steve Cougan movie will never come out Really you think never Was it directed by like someone who makes movies though?

[00:04:15] Frank Karachi director of Click Yeah Frank Karachi Oh yes of course It's never gonna come out It feels relevant It's about like a Rush Limbaugh guy Right he's playing kinda like a shock jock It's about a fire brand conservative Yeah right Like a Don Imas

[00:04:30] Don Imas radio host Who has like a change of heart or something His not long lost But the niece he never knew shows up in his doorstep Nease Couldn't be daughter Why was it a daughter Nease What do you do in the film? Take one guess

[00:04:46] Are you the stressed out assistant? Correct And I'm telling you right now that was a full guess Do you spill coffee? I told him that you would pick it I think in terms of industry and I look at you And I see your type cast 100%

[00:05:01] And I get it That was the only thing I could get cast as For like four years And then I got the tick And I was like here we go game changer Open it up new Open it up New stressed out assistants

[00:05:11] Right and the one job I got afterwards Was a new stressed out assistant And bab Yeah Do you spill coffee? I don't I'm pretty I got a pretty steady hand in that one Pretty steady hand That's a Previously I was a spiller Right

[00:05:24] When you're holding the coffee cups There's no coffee in them right I'll tell you what happened Okay At first Because people complain like oh Like they're holding the cup And it's like They're basically holding it sideways David is pulling back the curtain on

[00:05:37] Of course the famous shot that exists Only in the trailer for Kevin Costner's draft day Was not in the actual movie Like four cups of coffee They spill a tray of coffee Oh my god Cut out of the film In the trailer

[00:05:47] You were cut out of the film entirely? No just the coffee spillage No I'm in the film they cut out the coffee spillage He's in a lot of the film It's just not the coffee Not the coffee The coffee got cut But in the trailer

[00:05:55] You think there was a phone call with the coffee cups Like I'm sorry It's just there's no room for you in the movie In the trailer They My only part is the coffee cup Yeah So then a bunch of people online

[00:06:05] Were like why would they cut in some random shot Of some cock spilling like Oh there it is Here we go baby Did you find the IMDb comment? No I found Griffin spilling coffee He's giving up Oh here we go There's Jennifer Ready Slaps

[00:06:20] Oh he spilled the coffee Because it was too many cups of coffee I thought it was a good smell Food and drink acting is terrible Well right so Well for that there was coffee or something It was a Friday Everyone wanted to wrap early

[00:06:33] And it was the last thing They'd wrapped all the other actors So everyone on set was like No pressure Martini shot Griffin spilling the coffee But I'm trying to get on a yacht this weekend You know Get the set Because it was just the one set up

[00:06:45] So at first they were like We're gonna put Weights inside the coffee They put like little sandbags inside the coffee So it had the appropriate weight But then they were too heavy The fear of putting actual coffee in was You'd hurt yourself Stains Oh right

[00:07:01] They didn't have to like go shower or whatever Cause I think they only had Two Maybe three maximum of my outfit And it was like everyone was like We knew this was the only set up You know your outfit is like a button down in slacks

[00:07:13] Like they can't get 40 of those I know They only had three What studio was it Lionsgate Love Lionsgate We love Lionsgate I was gonna say that No locking the gate here We'll open those gates Oh baby baby baby You know what I learned

[00:07:28] I was doing this thing recently Where I had to I hadn't done a food scene before The worst And everyone's just like Be careful Like an eating scene And they were like by the end of this You're gonna be fucking sick And you get so cocky

[00:07:41] And you're like Oh you're amateurs I know how to do this Don't bore me Right and then I was like And by the end of it I was like Oh no I nibbled on three I would nibble on three little grains of rice Each take

[00:07:52] And then by the end of it I was like oh I ate a whole Three thousand calories I did a sketch one time Which was Michael Phelps After the Olympics Gorging on McDonald's And they had bought actual McDonald's For me And in the first two takes

[00:08:04] I went for it And then they were like Okay now we're gonna do it Because there was like You know we didn't get it Because the lighting we need to switch And I was like Oh what And I ended up eating A sicko amount Of McDonald's

[00:08:17] And it was like It was ruined for me Like for three or four days Three or four days before you could go back to it It was several hours Before I could go back and eat McDonald's again It was really challenging A couple of days

[00:08:29] Yeah I think people don't understand The sacrifices we have to make Is actually Oh yeah Truly though Like Truly terrifying Heroic Being on set is the hardest thing It's so hard Wait Bo and Yang and Matt Rogers from Like Colteresis

[00:08:43] He's the one that it's on sets a lot Hey don't turn it into this No it's about this Oh god Bo and books But I have heard the bomb books People say that Of course it's the best The number one thing people know about them

[00:08:57] And you would know too As a personal product People are saying B squared all the time They don't B squared baby Gb though Gb I mean they do say Gb I can't admit David books People's guess He's really big into scheduling I like to schedule this podcast

[00:09:11] He freaks out a lot about scheduling Tante's about scheduling Wow You have Tante's Excuse me Little tante's Gorgeous eyes Your eye color is Absolutely beautiful I'm a green eyed sister So Born with blue eyes though Same bitch I will say this You know what's true of all babies

[00:09:32] Blue eyes Yes it is And they change color There's some pigment of blue Sure There's a little blue in there They either change color immediately Or I will say this This is a freakish thing My eyes were blue until I was seven or eight And then they changed

[00:09:46] I don't know when Did you have light hair too I had very light hair I had blonde hair And like platinum blonde hair When I was the first Eight years of my life And then my hair changed to brown And my eyes changed to green Wow

[00:09:59] And my dick turned to poop Oh come on Matt Let's talk about it Can I say something about David's eyes Just because I never felt comfortable saying I have a scar You know I'm always very concerned Not concerned but I think about my scar But it's well placed

[00:10:13] Sure Because this is part of what I was going to say You wear eye bags well You're one of those people I have to wear them well Because they ain't going anywhere Sounds backhanded But I'm saying They make you look very intense and focused

[00:10:24] They don't make you look tired On the logo I look Like the bags make me look super hot So even though you have bags When you look at the bags Maybe your first instinct For the first two milliseconds of looking at it Is all his bags

[00:10:35] But then you see the eye color And then forget about the bags It's a baggy ratio Well see what I'm saying is I feel like the bags underline the eyes In a really nice way They pay attention to the eyes They frame the eyes

[00:10:45] I mean well also the scar too So it even like maybe further accentuates Stop talking about the scar Because the scar also It works along with the curve of the bag It looks like it's just accentuation Of the bag When I was a kid this thing was big

[00:10:56] What was I going to say Well that's what happens when you don't sleep At all when you're a teenager Which is how I did this to myself Did it baby Oh you need to sleep a lot now No no no I try to sleep now

[00:11:07] I mean I try What did you stay up doing Going on Oscar websites Until four in the morning Talking to Americans That was part of the problem Is that was in Talking to Americans I lived in England I lived in England I lived in England

[00:11:24] I was just like I was going to ask genuinely Ben pause the record for a second Okay David has this big This is so fucked up That he grew up in London Yes I grew up in England Okay That was very confusing and hard to follow

[00:11:38] Every week I brought it up They would make fun of me Because it was like I was always bringing it up I'm a Jewel Canadian Hey I do a double passport holder Thank you I mean that's cool and interesting And I understand that And I hear you

[00:11:49] But with David it would come up And then he started complaining That we were reacting too strongly So we said let's retire the bit And then every week he tries to bring it up again And I said the bits retired No I love it

[00:11:59] The bit is them making fun of me And now he's trying to Now the bit is him being from London It is me saying Anyway I grew up in England And so after I grew up I didn't get those cards ready Yeah I grew up in Canada

[00:12:08] And I will refer back to Canada Where in Canada Montreal and so I'll tell people I will refer to America as Americans No I understand this Thank you Boen that makes perfect sense Because if you grew up in another country Of course that would inform your relationship

[00:12:21] And so did David You have just mangled this bit And now it's like a Frankenstein bit We have like a second bit Has emerged from the first bit Look Boen, Canadians are polite people I'm sure you of all people Understand that if a bit's retired

[00:12:35] You leave it hanging up in the rest Montreal is its own city I feel like Montreal is a lovely place But like Toronto I always feel like Is like it's like New York But it's filled with English people Montreal did not grow up in Montreal

[00:12:47] Well Boen Yang grew up in Denver, Colorado He moved here when he was seven or eight And that is You don't grow up in the first seven years of life He's also the cruelest person I've ever met Wow So I think that It's a razor

[00:12:59] I think that David is allowed to It's part of his cultural tapestry Of course Is that he grew up in Wow, okay, Carol Rattable Well start the podcast over Okay Anyway Thank you Boen as a comedian though Do you understand how bad it is In terms of form

[00:13:19] To pull down a retired bit Ask him because he's Infected to his Long Island identity And will not ever shut up about it I'm not talking about the identity No one's ever asked me to retire The bit of me being from the long island

[00:13:30] Because you want to know why Everyone loves it Everyone wants to hear me talk about Long Island and the biggles there And how I talked When I was growing up there Everyone wants to hear about it It's in demand And for you to say

[00:13:41] That I shouldn't talk about My upbringing is what I've asked Erasure Long Island Erasure This is of course White gay Long Island Erasure And we have to stop I'd like to say Point that this entire Person came out of a compliment About my eyes Yes Correct

[00:13:57] Which are beautiful Thank you I'm the only person of color in this room For someone else to shout Erasure at me is Erasure I would just like to quickly point out That this is a podcast about Femographies Directors who have massive Success early on in their career

[00:14:09] And have given a series of blank checks Make whatever crazy passion projects They want And sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce Very, very Wow This is a main series On the films of Ang Lee Yep It is called Broke Pod Mountcast

[00:14:22] I don't know what the fuck it's called We don't remember I think it's right We forget every week what it's called And this now is the titular film His first Academy Award win True For Best Director For first nomination Slay Correct No, no, no

[00:14:37] He was nominated for Couching Tiger And Bowreck That actually is a racer I was thinking That he was nominated For Sense Sensibility Which he wasn't But I forgot about Couching Tiger People thought he was Couching Tiger He won the Golden Globe And then Sotterberg

[00:14:49] Sotterberg beat out other Sotterberg Well, you know what He won for traffic, right? Versus himself or in Brockwood I would say that Wow, that's a good year, right? That's a good year So that had to be what Ridley Scott and Gladiator Ridley Scott 99, no, 2000 2000 Yeah, Ridley Scott, Gladiator

[00:15:05] And the fifth one Let's see if you can pull the fifth one Because it's crazy So two Sotterbergs Ang Lee, Ridley Scott And this is 2000 Was it It wasn't the best picture This is the missing This is the loan nominee Like the non-picture nominee His Lassie House Room

[00:15:20] Probably wasn't nominated No, I think he was Am I wrong about that? Oh, then I spoiled it Let me look at it Is that Sider House Rules? I thought it was Lassie House Room For Schokolah But now David's making me think That maybe he didn't He wasn't nominated

[00:15:31] Because he was nominated For the Sider House Rules The previous year But no, this is a fifth nominee From a non-best picture nominee So that was one of Not one of Schokolah's six Nominations Sure, insane That was Harvey Weinstein That was Harvey Weinstein That was Harvey Weinstein

[00:15:45] Being like, look I know there's a lot of good movies This year But I'm getting something in there I started vetting the Slinging his disgusting dick Yeah, his disgusting Tiny little stinky dick Yeah Because he had a track record Of ten years

[00:15:56] He always got a best picture nom And that, a month before The non-nations Everyone was like What's he gonna do? He doesn't have a movie this year It's impossible And then Schokolah surprised Schokolah In 2002 We had four nominees Can you reveal The fifth nominee?

[00:16:11] I'm getting to see who's It was a loan It didn't get down for best picture No, I believe it was nominated For best screenplay as well And best supporting actress Oh wait Maybe that might be enough It's not meant for best supporting actress Probably should have won

[00:16:22] Best supporting actress In 2000 So who won two That was who? Marsha Gay Harden That is the Marsha Gay Harden year Which you know what Respect to Marsha Gay Harden Marsha Gay is an amazing It's a weird win But that was a surprise Is the person you're saying

[00:16:36] Should have won the person Who was the front runner before No, the front runner was Kate Hudson Right And Cameron Crow wasn't nominated No, he's not No wait, was it the director of Pollock? No, because that's Ed Harris Ed Harris, my friend He was nominated for acting

[00:16:50] But not for directing Oh so you're saying The best supporting actress I'm saying the best supporting actress Nominee from this film Of the mystery director Was also The director nominated for best acting Is maybe my pick Oh I know exactly what it is Yeah, you know

[00:17:02] Because Steven Daldry for Billy Elliot Oh yeah, talk about Julie Walters I talked about Julie Walters Who what up Maybe that's a, you know A Brit pick over here But she's wonderful in that movie I think in retrospect that's the best of the five Nominees She's so good

[00:17:13] And she's very good I think she's a two time nominee Because she also is nominated for educating Rita I think she's a just Yes And like, you know Was she nominated for a little voice? Am I insane for the people who were No Brenda Blatheon was

[00:17:24] She's not in Little Voice Wow, you are Oscar fish He said he stayed up all night On Oscar message board Now this was to do the same I wasn't up 4 in morning On Oscar watcher.com for nothing I got these bags and this bullshit Oscar, I mean

[00:17:38] Are you a film experience.net Oh for sure I've loved Nathaniel Nathaniel's been on our podcast I love Nathaniel You should have Nathaniel on Yeah, bring Nathaniel Bring Nathaniel A fount of knowledge Now Nathaniel currently has some Wacky choices on his board

[00:17:52] I was looking at his board yesterday For the first Oscar season is beginning It certainly is You can smell it in the air You can smell it I got my seasonal allergies I was looking at a couple of his Leaders on the You know it's early But like

[00:18:04] Wait, who to see I think it was I think it was Victoria Sam Elliott leading For the stars born Which I am all on board I have no idea You know what that's gonna be He plays bad dad He plays bad dad But also bad manager

[00:18:18] He's a bad man That actually might be a bad man And there's that one shot In the trailer where He's got Cooper's Their forehead to forehead And they're both crying And I'm like What's going on here I have all the faith in the World in that movie

[00:18:30] I think it's gonna be phenomenal I'm so excited for a star I'm too excited And I think it I get a You're an ally You're a virtual ally I think I do Beautiful ally What about you Griffin Are you an ally I'm very excited Yeah, I don't think

[00:18:44] I don't know about that Really? That's a movie you should have been in Yeah I auditioned for the Sam Elliott part And they said they went in a different direction You auditioned for noodles And then they cast Dave Chappelle Yeah They decided to go older Than Bradley Cooper

[00:18:55] For the role of Bradley Cooper's dad But I was so close I came in I spilled the coffee I think Cooper I was the second choice For Lady Gaga's part I heard that I did hear that On the record This is a segment we do sometimes

[00:19:06] We make predictions And for some reason we call it On the record You think she's gonna win Best Actor? No, I think Cooper's winning Best Actor I agree with you And I think his only competition right now That I can see is Robert Redford Oh, what's he doing?

[00:19:17] He's got this movie Replays an old bank robber Called The Old Man in the Gun And he just said he's retiring from acting And he doesn't have an acting Oscar So I could see some I hate that shit I know, I know I'm saying I could see some

[00:19:28] Sympathetic institutional The Gold Watch Award They give you the retirement Gold Watch So here's old Robbie Redford Found her a Sundance And all that shit You'll get up and be like I love movies I don't know I think we're gonna see the exact The exact situation also happened

[00:19:42] In Best Actress Where I think this is like Probably Glenn Close Is one of her last hurrahs So that's what Now has her at number one Come down But that movie came out It sank like a break Yeah, no one's seeing that movie

[00:19:52] Have you guys seen that movie? She's good at it See, this is the problem In theory In theory I could build some buzz Because it got a few months here It's got to run away And it's Glenn Close And it's Glenn Close And she's

[00:20:02] Knobbed so hard in the past Oh, how birdy Knobbed is quite a swing Imagine if A-Bruce came out now Calling the shot Oh, God I mean, I feel like She's lost a lot of goodwill In my eyes She, I mean I think that everyone understands her

[00:20:15] As an amazing actress I just think this knob thing Is a hard thing to shake And she actually has been Swinging hard since Fatal Attraction She's, they, they There was like an interview That she did on Fatal Attra- For Fatal Attraction Right before the Oscars

[00:20:27] And she flat out is like I think I should win Because I definitely deserve it And I think it's hard Even when that's true And that might be true We're still talking about that performance And even when it's true Who did she lose to? She lost to

[00:20:40] Oh, I don't remember But someone, someone where it was like 87 Maybe not 87 She lost to Cher She didn't deserve to Cher deserves it Cher deserves it And you're right You're right But here's the thing It's hard to It's hard to Even if you do deserve it

[00:21:00] It's hard to shake off the Snooty The entire The entire The entire thing When you say something like that I want to stick up for Glenclothes Glenclothes is great There was that one Oscars Where she and Donald Sutherland Were sitting in a weird ticket booth Outside the Oscars

[00:21:13] And they were like Here we are at the Oscars Oh, they were the announcers And it was so weird It was so weird They were the announcers But on camera And they were like On the red carpet And it would be Donald Sutherland And Glenclothes

[00:21:25] And they were like They didn't allow them into the theater Wow She probably should have won Next year for Dangerous Liaisons Dangerous Liaisons Which I actually I watched a bunch of clips From this last night Good movie Because Dangerous Liaisons I just never made the connection

[00:21:41] That that was like The original cruel intention Sure That was the original Talk about High drama and a sleigh Yeah Uh-huh But she lost to Jodie Foster For the accused Right And now I think if you go to Oscar voters And you say, look in the future

[00:21:56] You're gonna be In just a couple years For Sutherland She's so good They wouldn't have done it She's so young Like it's fine You're gonna have your shot with Jodie But they wanted to give it to her right then It's like Hillary Swank Yeah It's like It's like

[00:22:10] When someone has two Think about who has two Oscars Hillary Swank That's it Jodie Foster Yeah Kate Blanchett Kate Blanchett That's true Kate Blanchett Maybe you don't take one away Maybe even add one more But the thing is like I don't know No it's on a scandal though

[00:22:26] No it's on a scandal though I'm a Jennifer Hudson Apologist Oh yeah I don't Want to take away A hud's Oscar I just think no it's on a scandal And you can't Cause that would be I'll say I would be I'm sure that would be a hud

[00:22:39] Can I just say it I'd take her Oscar away She's not that good Really? That's a racer You should go to hell What if you went sideways And gave her best supporting song Sure fine That's there We invented your category Best supporting song Best supporting song

[00:22:52] I mean it's a lead song Best lead song I was gonna say Wait for Jayhut or for They're arguing two things They're saying that They're saying that the performance is on The song is the only thing good about the movie I'm not saying that

[00:23:03] I'm not saying that she's the lead part Nothing's good about the movie I think she's the lead That movie sucks Do you know there was a big Cause that was a big thing with Beyoncé was like I want to be positioned as lead You know what else sucks?

[00:23:12] That musical sucks It does not You are a racer It's a Motown musical With Broadway show tunes as the songs There's no Motown songs in it Your songs are not Motown songs Move Move around Shut up One night only goes into fucking One night only is pretty good

[00:23:27] One night only is pretty good One night only is pretty good But come on A lot of those songs are You know Big Broadway balance Don't do this You're an ally You're out of your depth here Remember when we thought you were an ally Your eyes are disgusting

[00:23:40] Here are some other Here are some other two time Oscar holders We got Betty Davis Spencer Tracy Marlon Brando I'm not talking about the men I don't care about the men Jack Flamin Denzel Stop Mitt and Amy Beniro Janda Jane Jessica Lang Yes, Miss Lange Right

[00:23:58] Two odd men Miss Lange Miss Lange That blue sky wind is one of the weirder Oscar winners Considering she already had an Oscar And that movie sat on a shelf for Four years Four years Four years at the award when she accepted she was like

[00:24:11] Thank you for finally releasing this Clearly it was a good choice Maggie Smith Two Oscars Right Glenda Jackson Olivia Dehavelin Ms. Olivia Ms. Olivia Francis McDormand New inductee to the two Oscar Elizabeth Taylor Jody Foster Elizabeth Taylor Butterfield 8 and Virginia Woolf That's one of those where they would

[00:24:35] Never have given her the Butterfield 8 If they knew That movie sucks Did you read the Kathleen Turner Interview with her being like She was garbage in Virginia Woolf Yes And I was like relax She's pretty good You don't tell Kathleen Turner To relax

[00:24:50] If I told Kathleen Turner to relax She would crush her She would bite your head off She would just take her hand on my head And just crush it No, her hands aren't doing great She would bite your hands I'm sorry Shelly Winters has two Oscars Shelly

[00:25:03] Shelly is two Shelly Dairivan Frank and Apache Blue Both supporting And she should have had an Oscar For holding her breath In the Poseidon Adventure She got the nomination Best breath holding Yeah, she did Sally Field One of the most famous two Oscar holders I'm a Sally Field

[00:25:17] The thing that's weird about the Sally Field thing Is she won the right Oscar the first time Like the second Oscar Wasn't like a makeup Oscar Over her two again Norma Ray Which is amazing in that movie So good And then a place in the heart

[00:25:28] Like five years later That's the real sort of like Why did he Look, I said before I'll say it again I think she should have won for Lincoln I think that was the best She's great in Lincoln Who did win that year? That year was What's 2012? Yeah

[00:25:41] So that's the Lincoln Silver Lines Playbook Argo It was like a It was like a steamroll year Where that person was definitely Yeah The reason Sally Field won the second time Is because it was all other It was like Sissy Space Like Vanessa Redgrave Jessica Langley

[00:25:54] People who already had Oscars It was like It was one of those weird It was like the Chris O'Waltz Second Oscar year Where everyone else had already won That's a ridiculous one That's a weird one That's a weird one Yeah, he's another one But two But that year

[00:26:06] Every other nominee Had also won At least one Oscar So it was like no one was Do Anne Hathaway Oh Yeah That's Sally Field And also though Because this is quite an Oscar movie This is a huge Oscar movie Yeah It's one of those Oscars

[00:26:20] It remains one of the big Oscar points of contention Big up top Talk about erasure Talk about erasure Excuse me I'm pretty sure Crash was made By a really like intelligent Smart black director, right? No it was made by a white Shitty Scientologist Scientologist

[00:26:36] No not X at the time No not X at the time That movie came from the mind Of an active Scientologist Yeah That movie is him going clear I will never forget Thank you It was in England In England In college Sitting on my couch

[00:26:50] David I'm pointing at the raptor You can shut the fuck up I love this bit It's tired Yeah this bit's good Right So That you can do it The Oscars are like What like 7 to 11 or whatever You know right Right The time? Easter time Yeah

[00:27:07] Now they're gonna be from 93945 Sounds great Yeah they'll be like Oh and also like best cinematography With DeRogerdy Forget about it I'm gonna wear montages in the popular film award That's the entire telecast But Kimmel gets to do an hour and a half of bullshit

[00:27:18] To watch the fucking thing in England You had to stay up till 4 in the morning Like cause it's live And I just remember I'm sitting there on my couch I'm alone Like no one wants to watch the Oscars with me Like 4 in the morning Jack Nicholson Is Nicholson

[00:27:30] Right Is presenting best picture And you know Only had just won an Oscar Horrible Yeah Like it got in screenplay It got um Direct? Score Score it only won those It didn't win an acting Oscar Ridiculous Little ridiculous And then crash I just remember he was like Oh

[00:27:48] He looked at it And he winced Yeah he was like Crash He looked at it very calmly Then took a beat Everyone's like why is he waiting And then he goes And the winner is Crash And then like That's really good Pulled up his fingers Like whoa

[00:28:02] Yeah right Yeah That was it You know what And then Ryan Philippe is crying in the audience Fucking hell Can I say something about that Oscars My favorite set ever My favorite Oscar I wanna see the set It was the giant marquee And Jon Stewart was hosting

[00:28:14] And it was like One of my favorites Was it the second Stuart First Stuart It was the first That was the first Stuart Cause that was a very problematic evening Because also when I have a problem with the fact That when Jake and Heath Rest his soul

[00:28:25] Came out to Announce That was the SAG Awards That Oh was it the SAG Awards I know the exact film you're talking about Cause people think that cost Heath the Oscar I remember this I wasn't following this Let me get through this He um

[00:28:38] They came out to like Announce the film as a nominee For I guess best cast Best cast And they just chuckled through the whole thing Oh yeah Like embarrassed that it was a gay love story Because they were like It's a gay love story

[00:28:52] Starring us if you can believe Um and uh That was really I do remember this And it was just like I was watching it and like I was like Why are you apologizing for something And why are you acting embarrassed about something That you obviously cared about

[00:29:07] That a lot of people like Really are moved by and it's a big moment And honestly Maybe it did cause I don't know Well no Cause my remembrance of that was that For some reason Hoffman was just locked very quickly He was steam rolling

[00:29:21] But then that performance came out And people were flipping for it Yeah And it kind of felt like maybe he had a chance I think there was just that narrative of like Ledger's young He's so good But like And it felt like Hoffman was old

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[00:34:30] I think to answer Matt's question The reason why they chuckled through that And the reason why the film was so Deep politicized was because it was like 2000 sex Exactly Pretty much It was just the times and like They had to play it down No one

[00:34:43] I was talking about this When I was watching my girlfriend No one would see this movie with me In college I remember a Facebook page You've seen that twice? Yeah I'm like yeah, I like cinema Yeah Like girls wouldn't see it with me That's insane

[00:34:55] Like the girls I went to the movies with They were like Oh yeah, I don't know It's not like they were like I won't see that But they were just like Oh yeah I don't know I remember I had to struggle

[00:35:04] To find someone to see the damn movie with me I remember Hathaway going on talk shows And being like I show my tits guys Come see it Like literally she would do that I had to wait Don't even act for one second That they didn't tell

[00:35:17] Someone needs to show their titties Both of them are topless in the movie Yeah, exactly And there's no male nudity Because I mean And you know that was like Probably something I had to do with Like let's give something Yeah, because when Jake and Heath get naked

[00:35:27] They both do the Terminator crouch They're both like Fully covering their privates With their legs The early scene of that is quite effective Because he's sort of Yeah, it still works There's discomfort There's like tension It works I'm just saying you see a total Of four tits

[00:35:42] And zero balls in this movie Yeah, the men are not Super sexualized Then just put his head in his hands Or tits zero balls Ben's off mic This is how I'm just shouting him out They're not super sexualized I think that like Just reading about crash right now

[00:35:53] That almost does work though Because it's like You know the like other body Is like totally unknown to them Until it Yeah, no I think those scenes are They don't feel like particularly No, it doesn't feel shoehorned then Or anything But um, Gren and Frazier Wasn't crash

[00:36:09] And I just like talking about Oh god We talked about it on the podcast Truly, I mean the movie's The movie's bad That movie's bad They showed it I went to dramatic writing at NYU And we had one class that was Congratulations, thank you so much

[00:36:21] Retire the bed I don't care Wow No, this is white gay at NYU Erasure This is white gay at NYU Erasure I'll say we got the police system ready to go I'll put it up in the rafters At your command bar Yeah, kill me

[00:36:33] Um, I have a memory of like We had this class called like Film Script Analysis Where like every week We would be shown a Screenplay that was going to teach us something And he like teacher was like In order to show you Like causality in screenplay

[00:36:51] How one thing like can affect How one scene can have Drastic effects on another scene And like I don't know Something like that He was like we're going to watch Crash And everyone was like okay And so then he showed us And the entire class

[00:37:02] Laughed throughout the movie Do you remember the scene? I mean how about Let's list them all Did you watch the whole movie? He wasn't showing The whole movie He is a daisy chain of like The reaction Well it's so proud of itself the whole time

[00:37:17] And also it's an exercise And these are things that people would never do Or say I mean like there's a scene where like I believe it's um I mean every scene basically Is like two people walking down the street Being like racist and some crazy

[00:37:30] Well there's a scene where Sandra Bullock falls down the stairs And then she's not a racist anymore There's a scene where Here's my read on that scene My read and I mentioned on the podcast before Is that her maid cleaned too much

[00:37:41] Because Sandra Bullock was so racist to her And that's why she's not a racist anymore That's how I read it too I think that was his explicit intent For her to hug her at the end She overcleaned For her to hug her at the end

[00:37:52] And be like you're my best friend Is also like um What the This is like very achy Do you think the lady is just like Oh my god you're just my boss And also there's like a scene where it's like Um There's like There's a scene with a

[00:38:05] Between a black person and a white person And the white guy goes Fucking black people To his face And I'm like in what world And maybe I'm like Totally blind and deaf to this situation That would never happen But the way it played out I was just like

[00:38:20] This is a bad movie Bad And there's also nine climaxes It's horrible I loved when um The child broke the gun Made the gun not work Oh Jesus Magical bullet Magical bullet I remember He's the best performance in that one My container is really fucking good

[00:38:38] The only one who doesn't seem like he is Like he's the only one who seems like he's playing like a vaguely real person The only thing you latch on to in this one Tandy Newton also was good in it She's oh she is good in that

[00:38:46] She is good But I remember seeing that Coppainia was like the unknown guy I mean like who the fuck is this And I still will sometimes on YouTube Watch that scene between him and his daughter Which is a really good piece of that That's the only good subplot

[00:38:56] Is the Tandy Newton thing When that happens with um Her and her husband Yeah and Matt Dillon And Matt Dillon Matt Dillon in a totally fine performance Nominated, weird that he's the gun That was the gun That was the thing where they were like

[00:39:09] Oh Matt Dillon you're back Like remember you And I was like can you believe he played a racist What a difficult part to play Unbelievable They always seem so impressed when someone plays a racist It blows their mind But Sandra Bullock was

[00:39:20] And this was before she'd ever been nominated for an Oscar She really wanted an Oscar for this nomination at least for this movie Did she get one? No, no No, right What was the thing I was gonna say But I remember some review of Crash

[00:39:32] Having like a parenthetical in bold letters Saying racism in LA is covert not overt Which is like what you're saying about the like No one would say You black person Yeah, no it's just if you look back at the movie It does not hold up at all

[00:39:48] Especially like nowadays when people are actually Having a dialogue Having an actual dialogue about race Also the fact that that movie is written by a white person Is extremely evident Two white people Yeah right And he is second white man And on this one

[00:40:03] I mean it's truly and also so if you look back on it Not only does it not hold up Like culturally and socially It's bad And this is why the Oscars are garbage Is because the only reason it wins We watch it every year Yeah but they're garbage

[00:40:19] And it's fun to actually watch it as the trash that it is Sure Sorry, flaming trash that it is Wow So like It wins the Oscar because it has a large cast Right, that's a big factor That was an argument right that the acting And they would

[00:40:35] And I truly believe that the Largely older white male voting body Was like Doing whatever they could To not award broke back I think there's because even further than that Which is that whole contingency was like I won't even watch the movie Yeah I don't think

[00:40:52] I don't think people saw it Yeah Yeah I think a lot of them didn't watch it Because I remember even reading like When like you know Page six Yeah You know when like Liz Smith would talk about like Running into Tony Curtis

[00:41:05] And she was like so what do you think is going to win best picture And he was like I won't even watch broke back I think it's disgusting John Wayne would be ashamed My favorite movie of the year That was a big thing with the essay

[00:41:14] That was like a dog whistle John Wayne, what would John Wayne say And then his follow up was My favorite movie of the year was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Really I remember Tony Curtis saying I won't even watch broke back

[00:41:26] My best picture is Harry Potter 4 Inarguably the worst one I would say absolutely the worst Because it was the best book It's the best book Yeah Because the Columbus movies are not terrific No offense to Chris Columbus They're for kids They're for kids They're for kids

[00:41:41] The fourth one is like just kind of bad Right? Like that's kind of my Michael Newell Michael Newell Who is out of his element Out of his depth But you know I just watched the Guernsey fucking potato peel movie And he nailed it Is that, that's a Newell

[00:41:55] That's a Newell I didn't know that Newell joint So we're now we're in Let's start talking about So after we talked about Crash for a while We just had to We had to talk about it We did how we had to talk about it

[00:42:05] We did have to talk about it But this movie is broke back now Let's get some context I'm gonna kind of start a context Get a little context there Well, have you read the book? I mean the short story Short story, yes E. Annie Pru

[00:42:16] It's E. Annie Pru? Yeah I didn't know she had an N I read it in Most people could just call it Annie Annie Pru Yeah Andna Andna I also had read it So, so, such a beautifully written story She is an incredible writer

[00:42:31] And I sometimes struggle with her novels Because they go on and fucking on Like the shipping news Which is a great book for like 200 pages And then you're like I get it Like it's life stuff in Newfoundland Like you know you sort of like

[00:42:43] Eventually every page is such beautiful prose But like I don't need to know that I like that title that are life stuff in Newfoundland Life stuff in Newfoundland And her short stories usually are Like her short stories are wonderful Cause like

[00:42:55] And this is such a beautiful little like I mean the shirt It ends on the shirt Oh, so So beautiful So I knew about this short story before And I guess and Gus Van Sant Yeah I heard about that Forever was trying to make it

[00:43:08] Was always trying to make it With Matt Damon and fucking Sean Penn And then they offered it to And they also considered Mr. Wahlberg Joaquin Phoenix was also in the mix for Jack And yes then Mark Wahlberg says He says that he was offered the N as well

[00:43:22] And he says and he's quoted as saying I read it and I thought The spitting in the hand stuff Well great The fact that his movie is being Mark Wahlberg has given some quotes Hummeled at the box office right now By crazy rich Asians is retribution

[00:43:36] I don't think we're gonna get mile 23 I think that's officially What about like a prequel mile 21 Mile 21 I would see I don't Here's the thing My friend and I who like We go see all the shitty Mark Wahlberg movies together Sure We were like the fact that we

[00:43:50] Cannot be bothered to even consider Right who cares Seeing that Is it Because the premise is He's a guy He's option three He's option three It's diplomacy A camera Military Give me the hook When does the hook come in But also he's a robot

[00:44:04] What's the other fucking thing here Is he a robot No he's not I'm saying there has to be some other thing He's just a guy who solves things Also what is mile 22 I don't know It's a terrible title Is it like a marathon

[00:44:15] Like you're near the end of it Have you seen I don't know I just don't get it Have you seen those videos That Mark Wahlberg put on Instagram From the editing room Where his editor is yelling at him Okay When he was Yelling at Berg

[00:44:27] Yeah when he was editing mile 22 He kept on taking videos of his editor He's the Omarosa of the studio Of the cinema Leaking Leaking He's a leaker He's a leaker and a flipper And he was posting these videos And a rasierist Yeah his editor who's like

[00:44:43] Edited all the recent Pete Berg Like American tragedy Mark Wahlberg's the one man Who can stop it Movies Is like Are you fucking Everyone said Fucking lone survivor You watch it You know exactly where you are At every goddamn moment It's crystal clear And Pete Berg's like

[00:44:59] I'm saying I don't know where I am Wow I don't think people said that about Lone Survivor This guy while Wearing a hockey jersey Sure And swinging around a baseball bat In an editing room Being filmed by his director That's beautiful actually It's really good

[00:45:13] You should go into it Do you know who is originally attached To star in mile 22 Rhonda Rousey What? Sounds much more Bizarre I guarantee it's a better movie With her in it No question Oh you know what It's that they're taking someone To an airplane that's 22 miles away

[00:45:29] Fuck who cares What's your camera That's called JFK When you go there The Van Wick JFK airport Yeah That's what happens You have to walk 22 miles To get to the Where you're going Got a lot of it's the only option People don't realize that

[00:45:43] I should be in that film When people talk New York versus LA That's the biggest thing they don't talk about Is you must walk to JFK You have to walk It's the only way It doesn't matter where you are It's walk up You have to walk

[00:45:53] That's what we do in New York We walk Alright so Gus Van Sant He tried to make it And I guess I'm trying to figure out Like why he couldn't Yeah I mean Because he couldn't get it No this is We know this

[00:46:05] He felt he couldn't make the movie Without A-list talent Sure A-list talent Was saying no Here's the Matt Damon quote Which again Talk about two actors You get quoted too much I love him Matt Damon quote Gus I did a game movie Take on our nights and forks

[00:46:19] Which he's talking about The talent of Mr. Ripley Oh so he did one game movie No listen Then I did a cowboy movie Which is All the Pretty Horses I can't follow it up With a gay cowboy movie Of course That makes a lot of sense

[00:46:29] That's your rule in Hollywood actually You can't do You can't do like The combination of your last two roles No Because then you got Typecast Yeah Couldn't possibly do a Script that's better Than both of those But Talented in my life Talented in my life

[00:46:42] That's better than both of those But Talented in Mr. Ripley is good Talented in Mr. Ripley is really good Despite being a Weinstein movie And so Gus Van Sant Shifts over to Making milk Yeah And like that takes him a while too But that That becomes his eventual

[00:46:54] Big Oscar project But Joel Schumacher Yes Oh boy He has the dry ice machines Thank you Joe And the black light And the neon Is attached I don't know what That movie looks like But he is briefly Like in the mix It's the same thing

[00:47:08] But with nipple suits Hey man Might have been good And Alicia And Alicia Silverstone In the N-Half-Away part This could have been a moment Where Alicia Silverstone Or in the Michelle Williams role Like just catching them Like would have been great You're right Because I'd rather see

[00:47:21] Alicia in the part Where she Like has more restrain And I don't think she would Do a great Southern accent Like the Dallas twang She does a Southern accent In the same half-Away She does a Southern accent In Beauty Shop And I remember it being Beauty shop Yeah

[00:47:35] She does a Southern accent In Beauty Shop And I remember it being Beauty shop She's not great In Beauty Shop I will say that Hey, that's a razor I believe she's the one Who says For your FYI For your FYI Laught in the theater For your FYI

[00:47:49] For your FYI For your FYI I like that Jaman Hunsu Jaman Hunsu Jaman Hunsu says Shout out to Africa Kevin Bacon Is in it Kevin Bacon plays An evil German hairdresser He's the villain Kevin Bacon is the real We have to see Beauty Shop

[00:48:03] We have to see that It's from the director of Honey The movie just Who else is the queen Leticia The center That's what she says That was my favorite line She says down at the center That the kid goes The center And then sheulan Maybe you like

[00:48:19] Incredibly elaborate Was even Beauty shop After her iconic turn In Barbershop You'd drink my fella I always do Like by the way Well done Do not drink me. So good. So good. Because Beauty Shop, I believe, is like a, there's like a backdoor pilot aspect of Barbershop

[00:48:41] 2 where Queen Latif is in it and then she's like, I'm gonna go start a Beauty Shop in Atlanta or something. I'm going down the street to the Beauty Shop. She goes to Atlanta because like Beauty Shop is a very Atlanta movie. Yes, right. Like much more Southern movie.

[00:48:55] But in the first one, Andy McDowell was in it. In Barbershop 2, I believe, Mina Suvarie? She is next door. Me too. Yes, she's next door. And then she moves. Her one scene in Beauty Shop is, in Barbershop 2, is that she gets into a fight with Cedric

[00:49:09] the Entertainer at a barbecue. Sure. And they roast each other. I don't want to like... Academy Award winner Octavia Spencer isn't it? I'm not like gonna get like sit here and like, you know, beg for allyship but I just want to stay quickly since it came up.

[00:49:25] Okay, now this is an audition. This is going to be one of the worst things you've ever said on the podcast. You are before the tribunal. I do want to just stay quickly. We know a lot of powerful people.

[00:49:34] I walked through a snowstorm to go see Honey opening night in theater. Wow, I feel like we're in high school. In 2003? I think the gayest part about it is walking through the snowstorm. Oh yeah. I think... Welcome. Welcome to the other.

[00:49:49] Yeah, I was the one guy in a group of seven girls. The fact that you guys can quote Beauty Shop back is wonderful. I love Beauty Shop. I wrote a terrible essay on Beauty Shop. Yeah, we're not going to talk about that.

[00:49:59] We're never going to talk about it ever again. Anyway, so Joel Schumacher. So at some point, Angley was aware of this short story. He was aware of this project. And he asks James Seamus, his buddy James who's in charge of focus features. Yeah.

[00:50:15] Like, did anyone ever make that? Is that... What's the deal with Brokeback Mountain? I think everyone knew that this was kind of like if someone can get this made, this is going to be a watershed movie and they could never get off the ground because

[00:50:27] all actors were, as you said, too afraid to do it. Right. You need money to make this thing. Like you couldn't make it for just like a couple million dollars. So Seamus is like, no. And Angley who had been considering retiring after the Hulk, which broke him. Yeah.

[00:50:47] He was like, all right, well let's do that. Yeah. I mean, it's tough to make a masterpiece. I understand there's a part of you that like you make your magnum opus, Hulk bounds off into Costa Rica and you just want to leave it all behind.

[00:50:58] So now let's talk about these two boys. Heath. What's Heath doing? Heath was kind of in a fallow period now because I think he was. He had sort of been tipped to be the guy. No, he was in a huge fallow period. Yeah, I forgot about that.

[00:51:10] Because he's doing like what's it called? The order or the right? Here's what we got. We got his big breakout is just 10 things, right? Right. After he did roar on Fox. Yeah, he did roar on Fox. He did like Australian. No, I'm not going to pay.

[00:51:21] Then he's in a patriot. We forget he's a male Gibson son. Right. He's a big kind of like, OK, here's a torch passing. Then in 2001, he has a great year. He's got Night's Tale, which is a blast. Big vehicle. And then Monsters Ball, which he's genuinely good at.

[00:51:38] He's the best performance in the movie. He shoots himself in the chest like 20 minutes in. And also in that year, Josie and the Pussycats, when they get into the subliminal messaging, one of the messages you hear that they're playing underneath the music is Heath Ledger's

[00:51:49] The New Matt Damon. Sure. It's very clear that was the sentiment at the time. Like here he is. And I remember the time when Night's Tale came out, people were like, this is weird. Lords of Dogtown, too. Well, that's coming up. Right.

[00:52:03] So then 2002, he makes the Four Feathers massive bomb. Oh, yeah. Big epic war. Can't hug someone. And West Bentley was the three people who were supposed to be the new big movie stars and face plant.

[00:52:14] Then he makes Ned Kelly, which is like an Australian epic with Orlando Bloom. And Naomi Watts because then he was dating him. He was for a while. Then he makes the order. Right. That's the one I was trying to remember. Brian Heltzle?

[00:52:28] That's a weird, like religious, kind of priest thriller. But that felt like when it was like, oh, he's making like Romanian like screen gems movies. It was kind of like, is that what he's already like? But then in his 2005 we've got Rookback, but we broke back.

[00:52:43] We got Lords of Dogtown, which he's great. But she's kind of like a supporting role in that. He's very old skater. It's very James Franco and spring break. I would have given him a best supporting actor. I would have put him on both.

[00:52:55] He's in the Brothers Graham with Matt Damon this year, which is not bad. It's weird. And then Casanova as well. Don't forget the Casanova bio. Disney's big Casanova film. That one is bad. That's Lassie Halstrom. So now it's like he's all of a sudden back. He does.

[00:53:15] I'm not there in 2007. He does The Dark Knight in 2008 and that's that. Then he dies. Yeah. He's just one. Just pernasses. There was one of them when he was in. Yeah, that's crazy. It's really fucking tragic. It goes with that saying, but it's still so sad.

[00:53:33] Because you really just saw the depth of his talent. I think there's broke back mountain. Well, he's good in all this shit. But for me, it's like there's broke back mountain and there's The Dark Knight. And then you go like this guy could do literally.

[00:53:47] And then with those two, it's like crazy. You just imagine everything in between and then you never get to see any of that. I think he's really good and I'm not there actually. I do too. That movie is difficult. Maybe my favorite performance in that movie.

[00:54:02] In terms of showcase, like I'm here like performances, you'd be happy with just one of The Dark Knight and broke back mountain in your career. To have both of those, like those are two iconic like mammoth performance.

[00:54:18] And the other thing is it's like one of those like really heartbreaking what ifs where you go like what would he have spent The Dark Knight capital on? Right. If he was alive when that movie came out, he could have done anything. He could have got anything made.

[00:54:31] I've always argued he's would have won the Oscar either way. Everyone says calls it a posthumous. You know that was he's lettering or no. That was by far the best performance in film that year. By far.

[00:54:42] Then we got Jakey Jillenhall, who I had seen on the London stage. And this is our youth. Oh wow. With good hate in Christensen and Anna Pakman. All this is going to have to be cut out. I don't understand why you've been saying these things.

[00:54:56] And then he's going to have to take a fucking knife to this episode. I mean he's Hollywood royalty. Is Dad's director and cinematographer Stephen Jillenhall right? His dad's a director. His mother's a screenwriter and me a phone her who wrote running on empty. Yep. Stephen Jillenhall.

[00:55:11] And he's in October sky, which is so cute and city slickers. Wow. Forgetting his child roles. But yes. He is in Sonya City, Sonny Darko, Donnie Darko, Bubble Boy, Bubble Boy. Yes. Which like let me just say it just quickly before you Marley Shelton fish. Oh yeah.

[00:55:30] That movie is good. Bubble Boy is good. Yeah. Can I just say before we move on? I like God, Donnie Darko. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh boy. Totally dude. Like I didn't like watch it. I like saw it. You know what I'm saying?

[00:55:44] Like I really saw it for what it was. Here's my impression of Jake Jillenhall this time is that he was just so cute. Right? Like it's like in the good girl he plays a guy who's just like kind of gorgeous.

[00:55:54] Like he's an idiot but like you just like oh I think Jillenhall though. What a fate. Moonlight Mile day after tomorrow. Moonlight Mile Ellen Pompeo first film. First film. I discovered Atta Bar. Yes.

[00:56:07] Is she is that one of the many movies where she's like dead and mostly off screen or is she like you know she's the one he falls in love with. She's essentially the Maddox Pixie Dreamgirl. Right. I love it.

[00:56:17] Can I sidebar just because I know you're two of the only people I could have this conversation with David's angry because we haven't gotten to the plot of broke back. No it's my boys around the mountain. Well he can relax it's a ranger.

[00:56:27] I was such a big fan of Ellen Pompeo's film career. Yeah. Ellen Pompeo could have been she was what was it old school and she's really good in old school in a thankless role like it was just like oh clearly this is a really

[00:56:38] good actress because she's making something out of it. Right. Then she had a couple things where she was cut out of like she's Jim Carrey's ex-girlfriend and she was of course in like she was cut out of a girl's sign.

[00:56:48] She was cut out of a turn of sunshine. Who did she play? She played Jim Carrey's like new girlfriend. They reference her they talk about Naomi like how's Naomi. Oh and of course. She got like 15 minutes of deleted. Catch me if you can. Catch me if you can.

[00:57:01] Yes you're right. She was kind of promising beginning. She was one of the big people. And then she's in life of the party in 2005 and that's it. I'm crushed. She hasn't done another movie since. She's literally not made a movie. Yeah.

[00:57:11] I'm crushed to find out that she was cut out of eternal sunshine. Yeah. It's rough. I'm sorry. Okay. Great. She's even directed two episodes of Grey's Land of the Ships. She makes like 30 million dollars a year. She's talented.

[00:57:21] But the thing is though like and also I don't know how she is now I haven't seen her in years but underrated good on that show. I agree. People would say like oh you know Mariteth's the worst part of Grey's inanimate. No.

[00:57:36] The reason they say that is actually really sexist because Mariteth Grey is not like a character in the beginning that you're like wow we love her. She's like an anti-hero when she's the other woman in a relationship you find out. She is a mess.

[00:57:50] She is like mean to her mother and you don't really understand why in the beginning. She's not necessarily like super likable. She plays it truthfully too. And she doesn't shy away from it because she's good. She's good.

[00:58:04] And her personality off-screen too I don't know if you read that like pretty famous interview she did like a year ago. Unbelievable. Yeah. I mean just you know. And she says in it she's like look I'm gonna get my fucking money for this

[00:58:15] show because I've given up a film career for this. She does say that. Like I've been on the show for so long by the time this ends I'm not gonna be desirable. Exactly and she knows it's not gonna happen for her now which so she stays

[00:58:25] and stays and stays in order to make the money that she can to produce. I just read that and I'm like Jesus Christ like I hope Mike White is out there someone's like typing the fucking out. Mike White would do something great with her.

[00:58:36] Retirement from Grey's Anatomy role. Yeah. Like white the writer of The Good Girl which Jake Jalen Hall is. Okay. So you're the two big Jake Jalen Hall things then day after tomorrow. 2004 day after tomorrow was a big hit.

[00:58:47] You can't give many credit for that being a hit but I do feel like Hollywood is like oh he was like the lead the young lead of a big hit movie. They were trying very hard. He's terrible in that movie. Yes I do. The water.

[00:58:57] Where it's the water everywhere and it's like a storm is brewing. Jake Jalen Hall the hottest new star. He was hot. He was hot. And then the other big thing that happened with him you know what I'm going to bring up right? Oh you mean the spider man?

[00:59:08] Gay rumors. Toby? Well, we'll get to that. No no no. Those, those. Austin Nichols gay rumors sitting court side sitting court roots court side at the Lakers game whispering each other's ears. You talking to Oothie Tile? No you call him John from Cincinnati put some respect.

[00:59:21] I'll call him Toothie Tile. All right. Sorry go ahead. Austin Nichols erasure. 2002 Spider-Man blows up. Yeah. Toby McGuire asked for a big pay raise says he had a back injury on C biscuit. Oh wow. Won't come back and do the movie unless they give him $20 million.

[00:59:37] Marif and the violence coming out for injured back actors. Right? Because I ain't asking for, well no I probably won't. This is all true though. Don't negotiate with Amazon in public. Right. They're in pre-production on Spider-Man too. Yeah shouldn't do that in public. Yeah.

[00:59:52] All I want is free shipping and then I'll come back and do seven more seasons. The, they, Sony calls McGuire's bluff and says cool and starts negotiations with Jake Joll and Hall to take over Spider-Man. Yeah. Who was Kirsten Dunn's other boyfriend. Exactly.

[01:00:08] They actually like Hall they're like we're gonna fuck you. We don't need you. He's in a suit most of the time anyway who gives a shit? So this is like early 2003 they were like look he's ready to be Spider-Man. Right.

[01:00:19] Which even though he doesn't do it I think it positions him in a way in Hollywood where they're like well clearly he's like a major leading man. Right. Even though he kind of hasn't had like. The thing about Jillian Hall is he's bad you know in

[01:00:29] those sort of bland leading man roles he's great as a character. I totally disagree. Wow. Really? You like Blan Jillian Hall? Wow. You're a Prince of Persia? I don't think he's no I mean not that. Yeah. Because that's a ratio. No that is a ratio at 100 percent.

[01:00:43] That's video game movie ratio. I don't see any movie like that but like I would, I would argue for him. That's a Mike Newell. That's a Mike Newell. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah you should be really sorry because when you talk over me it's a ratio.

[01:00:56] I think he's really good in love with other drugs. Barf. Thank you. That movie. Go fuck yourself in your own ass. You know I did forget though that. Eyes are disgusting like shit. I forgot that he and Anne like J was like let's do it again.

[01:01:11] Let's make out. I think of great chemistry. She is amazing in that movie. Drama about pharmaceuticals. It's a sex comedy drama. When she did push for that I remember her saying it's like every time I do a movie with Jake there is an ejector button on my bra.

[01:01:24] She made this joke about how she only does like topless scenes with Jake. I swear to God. That's funny. She said that on like Oprah. I thought it was funny. Because he's gay. Because she goes comfortable around him. He's not a threat. Because he's gay. And it's fine.

[01:01:36] It's fine. It's fine Jake. It's fine. It's fine. I was going to say but Jake don't hold it. That movie is just weird because the first hour of that movie. You can tell that David's a journalist because he doesn't want to weigh in on him.

[01:01:50] He understands slander lots. It's fine. It's fine to be gay. It would be fine if a person was gay. Can I say that? Look at how much he's couching. But what about what if it was Jake? Let me check this out.

[01:02:03] The first hour of loving out of the drugs. And I saw this on Thanksgiving with my mother because we were bored. Which is the worst circumstance which you see loving out of the drugs. I just remember the first hour is like they're like,

[01:02:15] God it's so great to have sex with each other. There's like no plot. They're just like in bed the whole time. And then she's like, also I have like a disease and I'm like a pharmaceutical drug runner. And he's like, oh man.

[01:02:26] Like that takes this like insane turn halfway through. Do you remember the controversy in that movie where someone... Josh Gad is fucking terrible in that movie. He plays the disgusting brother who's literally like a little bit on there and literally he walks in on them

[01:02:43] boning and then is jacking off to the thought of his brother boning and half the way. And it's played for a laugh. This is like really sick. And I don't mean that in like an appropriate... It's just like you're kind of like, wow. I will say this.

[01:02:56] Josh Gad isn't bad in it. The part that's written for Josh Gad is terrible disgusting and reductive. And Josh Gad was taking a... was getting a check. Yeah, he played that. He's played that a few times. Like the gross guy. Do you remember there was a thing

[01:03:13] where someone bootleg the movie and put it out from test screenings and they were like, I think you can see Jake Gyllenhaal's dick. It was really like a post or something. And people were going crazy about like you saw him like a bull moose

[01:03:26] and they realized it was the leg of a chair. Right. Behind him. But people were going insane about how big his dick was. A flesh colored chair. Because it was just like the silhouette of the thing and they were like, no that's like the night stand table

[01:03:40] and you're like, this is the 20th beat of this fucking bit and you have to have to go to jail. So Bono, you kind of... That's a razor. I mean, you teed him off for that. You teed him up. After this, same year this he does Jarhead.

[01:03:54] Oh yeah, Jarhead. He's good at Jarhead. That's an underrated movie I think. He's good at Jarhead I will say though. He's a great guy actor. David, don't you agree? He was in rendition. Every time we asked we all just bring up another dick on the hall.

[01:04:10] With Reese Witherspoon, his girlfriend. Oh yes. They date? Oh yeah, they date a girl. Oh he also dated Taylor Swift, noted beard Taylor Swift. I will say something about that. What? I believe I've talked about this. Have I talked about this on the podcast Griffin? What?

[01:04:26] She's a beer. I'm just gonna say this. I used to live... Griffin just put the hand up. Don't say it. Wait, how? Cause I'm angry at him. In England? No, no, in America. In New York City, in Brooklyn, New York. Where they were apartment? I used to live...

[01:04:40] Oh I do know that. Two doors down from Maggie Gyllenhaal. That's correct. And I was there when Jake brought Taylor. Wow. And they went to Gorilla Coffee famously. And how many paparazzi were outside every... Did you see the famous scarf? Yes, yeah.

[01:04:55] No, it was literally like everyone on the block was like... Jake, Taylor, Maggie, yeah. There were not a lot of paparazzi on my block. I think they were. Interesting. We have beef with... Matt, I have beef with Maggie by the way. Really?

[01:05:08] We did press room for at Vulture Fest this year. Sure. She was one of the few people who did not want to come in... Wouldn't even sit. Wouldn't even sit. What was her name? You know what, it's fine.

[01:05:17] It's like a half joke bit because it was like she was probably tired. She must have been tired or whatever. She didn't want to do the video portion of the interview thing. But she went into the photo studio and did that.

[01:05:27] But then we were gonna do an interview with her and she said no. I don't take it personally. I do. But it's fine. Anyway. It sounds like you got a little baggage. It was fun to say we were in a feud with Maggie.

[01:05:39] No, you got some Maggie baggage. She was a good neighbor. Do you know what's a good thing to do with... She always talks to me. ...Maggage David? I'm trying to keep this show moving. Yeah, please. You know what's a good thing to do with baggage? Oh, fuck.

[01:05:53] Sorry, let me get this piece of paper out. This is a live read y'all. That's a live read. What's a good thing to do with baggage, Jake? Griffin? Whatever. What the fuck is happening here? Sorry. Here I am. Pack it up, David. Yup. Pack it up.

[01:06:09] Carry it with you. Okay. Like in a suitcase. A suit...a suited case? Yes. luggage. Do they call them suitcases? Could you put your suit in them? I think that was the original idea. Is that the idea? Yes. Look, David, sometimes emotional baggage, physical baggage, psychological baggage.

[01:06:30] You just need a safe, secure, stylish way to store it. David, you recently got a suitcase from away. Okay, so... You claimed it. I put in my request and they said, no, we're only giving you one and David had already now.

[01:06:43] And the reason for that is that I always answer everyone's emails and you're always... So they're always like, oh well, David will take it. And I'll take that hit. Right? Sure. Yeah. All right, so this suitcase shows up in my doorstep. Uh-huh.

[01:06:52] I just knew that there was a suitcase. Like, that's a way who are sponsoring the show today that they make suitcases. I'm looking at this thing. It looks like a very nice... And you're like, a suitcase in a box? Just send me the suitcase.

[01:07:04] Right away, you're like blown. Yeah. No, no, no. And I'm looking at it, I'm like, this looks great. Like, it's a suitcase. Then I realize it's got like a battery inside it. Okay, so this is crazy. I didn't know this until I got the suitcase.

[01:07:14] Because that's the worst is when your phone starts dying right before you get on a flight. This just happened to me. You can't listen. Literally. I flew to Alaska. So your episode of La Culturista is that you have saved. You can't listen to the rules. Oh, La Culturista.

[01:07:26] That's a razor. That is a razor. I raced the ass. There's two of you. That's some plural. That's true. Yeah, God damn right. People... Hashtag the La Culturista. People, they've got old problems. Like, you know, sticky wheels or whatever, they old suitcase problems. They have new suitcase problems.

[01:07:42] Like their cell phone runs out of battery. Yes. And this has got it all. It's one of those... You know, it's like a hard shell and you can kind of like glide it around. It's got those weird wheels that go all the way around. Okay, David, quick pitch. 360.

[01:07:53] Quick pitch. What do you say this is... I'm a great pitch man. It's a class luggage at a coach price. Yes! I mean, you kind of rushed through that, but it is first class luggage at a coach price.

[01:08:01] Look, and much like the classic Bruce Beresford, Eddie Murphy movie, Mr. Church was inspired by a true friendship... True. ...a way is inspired by true travel stories. Yes. They asked thousands of people how they pack, why they travel, what bugs the most about their luggage. It designed a...

[01:08:18] It's like problem solving. You can get the carry on, which is what I got, which I love because I like knowing my suitcase will fit. But you can like plug in a USB cord. You got a 100-day trial. Look, David, this is the point!

[01:08:30] It's free shipping anywhere in the lower 48. It's not in Alaska where I just went. I gotta tell you this. I was in Alaska. For $20 off a suitcase, you visit awaytravel.com backslash blank. So you leave the bad... No, you type it out. B-L-A-N-K.

[01:08:45] And use promo code blank during checkout. So you're now joining us at hour five or a broke back episode. So the movie starts... Guys, for an ad read, that was short. Just to be clear. No, that was long. No, not for us. That was long.

[01:08:58] That was like Tiffany Haddish getting to a punchline at the VMAs. Wow! Wow! That was fucking long, dude. She likes tansons. I'm savage, bitch. He's spilling. I'm savage. I'm spilling. Good ally. Spilling the what? You are a good ally. Spilling the what? The tea. Thank you, babe.

[01:09:15] Your eyes are beautiful. Thank you. I think you're starting to realize which way the wind is blowing here. Honey, honey, call it a twister. Call it a hell and hunt. Because the wind is blowing fast, honey, right in your direction. Thank you.

[01:09:29] Bill Paxton has his hands on his hips. Call you Wakita Oklahoma, bitch, because the wind is blowing your way. Oh, shit. Is that insensitive? Who cares? Here's the thing I had forgotten about this movie, not having seen it in years,

[01:09:41] but I think I probably saw it like three times when it came out. Brokeback mount. Yeah. Twister? There's a twister five times back. Yeah. There is fully like 45 minutes on the mountain. Yeah. Sure? Yeah, you mean the opening trunk? Yeah. I just forgot.

[01:09:56] The mountain is the fifth lady. Oh, yeah. It's almost like the mountain is another character in this one. It's truly Steve Goode. That kind of is. The mountain is the fifth breast. 100%. I don't get it. There's a fifth and sixth. There's some peaks and valleys.

[01:10:09] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean what are mountains and nature's titties? Mountains are actually all big titties. They're big old titties. They're big hard titties. This is why we wanted you guys on the podcast. We don't get enough tit talk. We don't get enough tit talk.

[01:10:22] Oh, we can talk about tits unproblematically. Because we talk about dicks a lot on this podcast. We're both like big stands on the fact that there should be more male nudity in movies. We've never got to talk tits.

[01:10:30] We've noticed the titty erasure on this podcast and we're here to bring back titties. We kind of ignore the titties. Yeah. Yeah. But you're right Griffin. Get us back onto the movie. 45 minutes in a mountain. Not just that though.

[01:10:41] Like the movie just starts and it's like so you're going to go mountain and they'll be like, yep, sure. It starts with them outside the trailer to meet with Randy. There's no like preamble.

[01:10:49] It's just like they're going to, they go to the mountain and they don't drive the sheep around. They're just like looking down their feet, kicking dust. Here are two awkward guys. They get inside. Randy Quaid. Noted lunatic. Noted lunatic in like his last legitimate performance.

[01:11:00] Because he sued this movie to save it. Do you know about this? He sued the movie. He sued this movie because he said. I believe he's third billed too. Yes. I believe he's billed about both women. Oh my God.

[01:11:09] At the time he was coming off of like a run of, okay, all you hire Randy Quaid to do is be like a horny drunk. Yes, yes. Weirdo, right? But had started out his career as like a legitimate actor. Yeah.

[01:11:20] And I think this was viewed as like Andy's bringing him back. It's a revival project. They're going to make him a serious character actor again. A race positive erasure of the old. Yes. Cousin Eddie stereotype. Erasure can be positive. Sometimes it can be positive. Also Arnold Schwarzenegger's eraser.

[01:11:34] Yes. Positive erasure with the. Wow. What if that was the part of that movie? It took us 30 mentions of the word erasure for Griffin to finally connect it. Yes, a Williams. You raised the bad guys. I was going to write it. You raised the bad guys.

[01:11:47] Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Quarious. Randy Quaid does this movie, gets paid like scale. And then when the movie comes out and does very well, he claims that it was fraud. They misrepresented it to him.

[01:11:56] They offered him a lower rate because they were hiding the fact that the movie was a blockbuster by pretending it was an Andy film. He was like, you guys tricked me into not, and it's like no, no. I knew it was going to make 85 million domestic. No, what?

[01:12:08] I thought this was going to be a blockbuster. Like he claimed they knew it was going to be successful. It was a focus features movie. It was a small movie. That was the start of his public spiral was like he was very loud about the lawsuit.

[01:12:16] And then he started getting into like, and I'm still old residuals for Independence Day, Rupert Murdoch. He's a conspiracy theorist. But that was the beginning of him having the platform to like start talk about Hollywood fucking him.

[01:12:27] What's truly crazy and is just so emblematic of Hollywood is this is like in a world where we are many years after the Princess Diaries. And I believe right. No, maybe it was right before Devil Wears Prada. But that's Anne Hathaway. This is the year before.

[01:12:42] If Anne Hathaway is billed underneath Randy Quaid. Like I get Michelle Williams because up to that point she had only been done. She was so. Yeah. But yeah. She should be third building. And that way is fifth built. Wow. So it's Ledgeard Jillian Hall.

[01:13:02] To be fair, Anne Hathaway is barely in this movie. She probably has like seven minutes of screen time. Yeah. But she's got a horse. She rode a horse. She's got wigs. Other than the two guys, everyone is barely in this movie.

[01:13:12] No one has a large number of scenes. And then once you get off the mountain, the scenes tend to get shorter and shorter. They do. They get very. I'm skippy.

[01:13:20] Anne Hathaway makes it look easy in this movie because also that phone call at the end where she tells he's Ledgeard what's happened to Jake. That's a hard scene. That's a hard scene. And there's a lot going on in that character's mind.

[01:13:32] And I love the scene where she tells a story and then he responds. And then her entire response to him is just this really small like she just makes this little tiny noise because she too herself is repressed. Yes.

[01:13:50] And just really interesting comment on women also in this movie. 100%. Yeah. I love like romantic and sexual tension in movies.

[01:14:04] And especially any movie like this where like you're going to see broke back, you know it's about the two of them having an affair to watch how long they sort of like play it out. But also the fact that it doesn't feel like a bunch of like almost.

[01:14:18] Oh no. Totally. Right. Because it is something where like their hands brush and they're like, oh. It's kind of incredible where you just see them getting closer and closer and closer to guys who aren't necessarily, especially NS is like not a social person at all. Right.

[01:14:32] Getting closer and closer and closer and then it just goes from like zero to 100. Right. And then the rest of the movie is just about watching how those how those polls poll and that's great.

[01:14:41] Because the worst version of this movie is like they keep on accidentally landing on each other's hands and then going like, Oh, that's right. Instead it's just like them becoming That's the love Simon version of this movie. Yeah. They become like socially like intimate. Right.

[01:14:56] And then that one moment where it's just like, I like that especially that first sex scene, the way they're like all trained between like fighting each other and like like sexing each other. I have an issue with that with the first sex scene. OK.

[01:15:13] And I just don't think it's I just this is just from a gay perspective. Sure. Please. I don't think you'd have penetrative sex the first time you Seems a little fast. You wouldn't do it seems a little fast. It feels like too painful.

[01:15:24] The air is very high there in Wyoming. I also don't think that he's ledger would have known to do that. No, also try some hand stuff. Yeah, absolutely.

[01:15:33] I'm going to say I think what would have happened is they might have as we say in the in the in the culture. Sure. Fraudid. Fraudid. I think for some frautage would have been the rubbing of dicks on dicks. OK, I think the idea.

[01:15:49] The idea is like they're so coiled up that it's all sort of like what's happening here is really fraudage erasure. It is. Yeah, it is. This is man.

[01:15:59] This is the this is like the part in Christian shawls a horse where it's like it's not funny anymore and we're maybe we're going to come back up. Maybe it's going to get funny again, but we'll see. It's actually Kristen shawl and Kurt Brantler and that's Kurt Brantler.

[01:16:13] OK. What else happened? You can't do that. Kurt Brantler, I'm sorry. There's like in the sheep. There's CGI sheep. Yeah, do you guys know they were CGI'd? What else happens? No, I mean this first 45 I'm trying to think of was anything to touch on in this first 45 minutes.

[01:16:30] Let a cartiline on a ferris. I keep the trade David Harbour. David Harbour. No, but they're later. They're later. I'm just going through the hole. No, fair enough. Randy Quaid has this great line when that comes back.

[01:16:42] I'm just trying to remember like what some of the mountain see it's a lot of like. Processed stuff. You see a lot of them work. That's another thing I love about this.

[01:16:49] They talk about like how Jake's like Pentecostal at one point or like they talk about like their strains of Christianity. They talk about their families and how they don't really get it. His relationship with his siblings, right?

[01:17:00] I mean there's that part where he says like I think you said more in the last like seconds than you did. He's like there's more I said a lot here. I think the movie should have had a voice over which is like I'm just like you.

[01:17:09] I'm a cowboy ranch farmer and the thing is I'm a little gay. I'm also a little bit. Are you just here for a love sign? Yeah, I think Jack Antonoff should have did the score. Yeah, even though he was like 16 probably. Dating Scarlett Johansson.

[01:17:27] Have you ever seen those photos? Shut up. He dates Scarlett Johansson in high school and there are weird photos of them together. Look it up David. I have no comment. Yeah. Now you're out. You have no comment.

[01:17:38] What I was going to say is when like old like Fuddy Duddy Oscar Hollywood people were like, John Wayne would be ashamed. It's like this is an actual cowboy movie. Yeah. Like John Wayne movies are like Western movies. This is a movie about guys who are cowboys.

[01:17:52] They're in charge of protecting animals. Like that's what they are. They're like basically like ranchers who aren't on a ranch. And don't know how to do anything else. Like part of the movie is that like. Right, they don't have like jobs.

[01:18:04] As they go on it's like okay so like Jake has to do like the more theatrical version of being a cowboy. Right. And like he's like kind of borderline like you know. So like he's like a trailer park.

[01:18:16] Covering around the poverty line, waiting for the good seasons when he can like round up cattle. And this is the 60s so it's like the frontier is kind of like you know close to over. Like that. Yeah.

[01:18:25] You know everything in America is just sort of like they're suburbs. There's like things are settling and they're yeah they don't really have anything. But the thing I think the first four or five minutes do really well are. So you on the sort of isolation of this environment.

[01:18:37] You understand the emotional sort of desolation of being in that position. You imagine a lot of times these guys are working that type of job and it's just one person. And the idea that like seasons are changing that they're there for like months on end. Yeah.

[01:18:50] It like feels as isolating as like being in space. You know, like you're watching it and it's just like well it makes sense that a. Eventually they would break down and start to feel that intimacy with each other. Right.

[01:19:02] And B. That this sort of the luck the confluence of two guys realizing oh you might be the same thing that I am this thing that I've been fighting my entire life. Jake seems a little more comfortable in a sexuality in this one.

[01:19:14] He's he's he's acted on it. Yeah. Right. And I wasn't going to say anything. I was just saying his character obviously has been on it. He's and it's you know like his dad like as he recounts like track to see a man who's been beaten to death.

[01:19:29] And like maybe his dad did that he wonders like all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks. Sure. No good. Don't do it. No good very bad don't do it. I can't remember if that was in the short story. If the if like his flashback to.

[01:19:45] I don't think it was like yeah. Any pool. Any pool. Yeah. I loved this movie so much like was was so like happy with it. Yeah. She said something she was like she's like I'm one of the only authors who's like

[01:19:57] seeing her whole vision like completely fully realized. She also dragged Crash a lot that entire Oscar season. She kept on writing like op-ed calling it trash. Good for her. Or like trash. Very much. She would say more like trash.

[01:20:10] And also I think she had gone through the shipping news which is a movie like if you read that book the idea of Kevin Spacey in the lead role is like ludicrous. Like you're like I can't believe they settled on Kevin Spacey for this. Yeah.

[01:20:21] And so she's probably like she had been through the bad version of the Hollywood adaptation. She was relieved. Life stuff in Newfoundland. But the process of this is cool. I mean I always like any movie that gives you enough time to understand what someone's life is like.

[01:20:34] What their sort of like work routine is like. The idea of the challenges. I mean this movie does build like weird amounts of like dramatic tension over like the arc of trying to successfully like heard the sheep and all of that you know.

[01:20:50] So they always CGI because they look real in some scenes. So supposedly on Lee Swarie never worked with sheep again. Right he worked with sheep on Sense of Incibility. He hated it so much that he never worked with sheep again. That's so funny.

[01:21:00] Gets this script is like fuck the only problem is the sheep. There is a before and after VFX reel you can find online that shows you how they did the CGI for the sheep. Love that. When they're in pretty close and you can tell the ships look real.

[01:21:11] Real but copy pasted. Wow. It was a smaller amount of sheep. Can you imagine just Heath and Jake running around there's like one sheep and they're like go go. There's like four and they're copy pasting. Anytime it's a wide shot in the distance they're 100% CGI. Oh my god.

[01:21:24] So it's either real footage that they're multiplying or it's 100%. They deserve the Oscar just for that. It was crazy. Yeah 100% crazy. A thing that really stood out to me in this movie is you rarely see the sky this much in movies.

[01:21:40] Like it's one thing when it's these big like sweeping establishing Vistas of the whole mountain. But even when you go in like pretty close on them on conversation they're always showing you like these guys in relation to even when they go back home.

[01:21:52] Like when they're walking around their towns you always see the sky in the movie. Wow. It always feels very like empty. Like they're always sort of just like isolated in the middle of this world. This movie is a piece of art. It's a piece of art.

[01:22:04] It's a gorgeous movie. So it's such a shame. Well you know what? No it's great and it's like cultural. Yeah it's putting too much importance on the cross. Yeah and who cares. People definitely remember this movie.

[01:22:15] It also kind of I think only bolsters this movie's reputation that it was robbed. Yeah I think that's true. You know I think it helps. It's a queer narrative. Yes. Yes. Yes. And what is a queer narrative? Erasure. It's true. I just want to say one more thing.

[01:22:32] We talked about how the sheep were CGI. There's a lot of sheep actors out there that really want to see themselves on screen and it's a ranger. It's a ranger to have them CGI. And that's not even a joke at this point. That's not even a joke. Sean.

[01:22:42] Sean the Sheeve. Sean the Sheeve. Sheeve. Corinne. Kayla. Of course Kayla is incredible. Yes. Kayla was actually what really good in sense and sensibility. Yes. But then fucking. She and Ang Lee though they clash. I know. Big personality problems.

[01:22:59] This is real though have you ever heard like oftentimes Ang Lee has worked with some of the best actors. Yes. But they all love him as a director. Yeah all of them. Like Kate Winslet says that he didn't respond to her at first.

[01:23:12] Like he was like she's too big, too emotional. Yeah. This is too much. Like he didn't understand her in the part and she like Kate Winslet apparently in a couple of years of her career like fought for every role. Yeah. That's she got.

[01:23:25] But like they eventually were able to get there but it was difficult at first. But Michelle Williams like says that during Brokeback Mountain like every scene he would come over to her and be like oh, oh, like it was kind of apologetic. Like I know it's so hard.

[01:23:41] He seems very empathetic and like really knew how to give even though like I think maybe he couldn't like vocalize like exactly specifically to the point where he needed. Right. He was always like very emotionally in tune with like every single performer.

[01:23:57] The two things we've heard as we've like gone through these movies and you know red actors talk at working with him is that like they go like I think he's kind of like

[01:24:05] canny about how he pretends that his grasp on English is a little worse than it is because he uses it to be very concise in what he's saying. It's like economical. And then they're like he kind of speaks in these weird little Zen statements. That's great though.

[01:24:17] He just says like three words to you where you're like oh fuck. Yeah. You know, he doesn't over explain shit. Yes, yes, yes. And I think it's a lot of him saying like that he does stand there and go like I understand what you're feeling. Yeah.

[01:24:28] I mean I was watching behind the scenes interviews for Billy Lynn's long halftime work because we're getting him walk, we're getting ready to do that and every actor on that was like Chris Stewart was like it's the best experience I've ever had with him. Wow. He's incredible.

[01:24:40] She worked like three days on that movie. Right. And everyone was just like I'll do anything with him because he's just like right there Vin Diesel loves him. Vin Diesel loves him. All those videos are like I'm here with ugly. I'm like it's something like this.

[01:24:51] I can't do anything to work with this guy. Yeah, so this first 45 minutes you're really only seeing the two of them in Randy Quay. They're the only three actors in the movie. Yes. There's a part where he comes. And Randy sort of spies on him.

[01:25:02] Right and season right because there's a galavante. There's the thing where Heath gets hurt comes in with the blade face. Oh right. Right. And Jake kind of tends to me you can tell how uncomfortable he's getting about the fact they're making that much physical contact.

[01:25:13] And then they wake up in the middle of the night. Oh that's the other thing because he's like shivering outside. It's cold. Jake invites him into the sleeping bag. They wake up in the middle of the night. They're canoodling. Sure. They're spooning which is very sweet.

[01:25:25] Then they wake up and start like fighting off each other. Wrestling, yeah. Right. Which feels like the baby kittens I've been looking at her. Wait do you still have those kittens? Oh I'll do a kitten update. Yeah. They're about to be adopted off.

[01:25:39] A cat broke into my apartment. Climbed through the window had kittens underneath my dresser. And then went away and you had to like coax the mother cat back.

[01:25:50] Yeah my downstairs neighbors, my best friends have been doing most of the fostering but they were using my apartment as a home for the kittens for a long time. Oh my god. They recaptured the mom so she could nurse them and wean them off of her.

[01:26:02] And then it was a lot of like veterinary visits and all of that. But I will just sit and watch these cats interact with each other a lot. And there's that kind of thing where they're like constantly fighting each other affectionately. Yeah, yeah. They're like pawning each other.

[01:26:15] Yes it feels very much like this thing in the movie where they just can't stop touching each other whether it's loving or aggressive. I've talked about it in many episodes. Ang Lee loves his physicality. It always feels like very expertly choreographed. Every move and every facial expression.

[01:26:29] That's how this feels. It's really well done. And then Randy Quaid comes to check in on them or he has a message to relay, right? It's Jake's aunt dies or something. Yeah sure. Jake has a yeah yeah yeah. And sees them like... Noodling.

[01:26:44] Yeah well they're like chasing each other where they're sure. They're horsing around. They're horsing around. Cheapin' around. That's when he flips out realizes their stem in the row. So they get back. From broke back. Right. They split off. They get broke back.

[01:26:58] And then like he starts like crying in an alleyway. Clearly he can't kind of process this. He's in love. And then there's an amazing hard cut to him marrying Michelle Williams. Like they come from him crying in an alleyway to him saying, I do. Yeah. I do.

[01:27:15] I mean again, such a great contained like you know such a like coiled performance like especially in those early stages. Yeah I mean this performance. You feel like you're dragging emotions out of him. It's maybe one of my favorite performances ever. It's a great performance. It really is.

[01:27:30] I just remember like Phil Cinder Hoffman's like my favorite actor. And I was so like energetically stumping for he to win over Hoffman. Because I was just like clearly the performance of performance like this is a once in a lifetime thing.

[01:27:43] Especially in a pre-joker thing I was like, I don't know if he's ever going to get to transform this much. That was the same year as Walk the Line too right? I believe it was. Yes. Walking was good in that. He's good in that.

[01:27:53] But he does just like next fucking level on this. That's what I'm talking about. And there's also this like watching this movie. I don't know if you guys have this experience. Because we're all like a similar age and it's now like 13 years since the movie came out.

[01:28:05] I could not stop freaking out over how young everyone is in this movie. Oh yeah. Like they're so fucking young. He's like 26 in this. Heath? Yeah. He died he was like 29. Right and he's like the oldest of the cast. He died at the age of 28. Oh God.

[01:28:20] He's 25 in this? It was like a big deal. And Jake's about 25, maybe 24. He would have been the youngest dude ever to win Best Actor. He had won. That was another thing why everyone was like, oh let him wait. Michelle is also like 24 and is like 22. Insane. So young.

[01:28:36] Insane. That's crazy I never thought about that. And Engley said like he wanted to cast really young people because he thinks that's the more important section of the movie. And I think he makes this choice that at the time

[01:28:46] as like a literal minded dude I was always kind of confused by now I think it's really smart to not like burden them with old age makeup and stuff. Well you know he gets a little bit of like you know Grace V. And gets a blonde wig.

[01:28:57] And gets a wig. But they don't like you know put like latex on her face. No, sure, sure, sure. But he's the one who most convincingly plays the growth, the age. Like the end of the movie he's playing Kate Marr's dad

[01:29:09] despite being like five years older than her. If that. Right. And I'm like I believe he's this big. Dude never questioned it for a second. No. Right. It's kind of incredible how like. It's a good scene too. So good.

[01:29:21] She is phenomenal in that scene to the point where I was great. She is great. People don't give her the crown. They don't and she is a great actress. But everyone I saw that I was like oh this is like a major star.

[01:29:30] Like you know that Kate Marr is definitely going to be a huge star. I walked out at this point my mom and I were like Kate Marr obviously and then it felt like it took another ten years for everyone to like get with the program. I know.

[01:29:39] She's been around. She's been around. She's always working but I feel like it's always house of cards. Yeah. Right. That was when people I feel like really started like recognizing how good she was. Yeah. She's always been great though. She's great actress. Okay.

[01:29:52] So they split off Heath Merri's, Michelle and Jake starts rodeoing and very quickly meets Anne Hathaway as a girl who moves real fast. Lureen. In the right direction. Lureen. Yeah. What's his line when she when she says let me know if I'm moving too fast or whatever

[01:30:09] is like is it that is it like it's all the right direction. You don't waste any time. Yeah. As long as it's in the right direction. But it gets very like vignetti. It almost becomes a montage. It's just like prepping through and it does that thing.

[01:30:22] I love where it's like it cuts back and forth between them and every time Heath has like another kid. Right. You don't know if this scene is like a week later or you're like oh it's like a year and a half later. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

[01:30:35] Because you're sort of like trucking through the point where he has three eventually. Three. Yeah. And then they come back together and it's like what like a two day thing right where they have that scene where they scream. Right. And it's now been four years. Right. Right.

[01:30:47] When he shows up. I think he's always a little ambiguous because like they don't really give us like you know flashcards or anything to like tell us. Like it just feels like like time is like slipping away.

[01:30:57] They really should have the voice over to be like well I guess it was a few years. Yeah. I like to drive to high school with my friends and drink ice coffee. I'll spend that fucking love Simon where they're like you know me we love our ice coffee.

[01:31:10] But you know if we get it you drink coffee. I'm pretty much a normal kid except for one thing. I make fun of love Simon but I think it's I think it's a lovely little mood. So you like Simon. I like you like love Simon. Yeah.

[01:31:23] I thought it was good. I just wish he would have. For what it was. Fucking his coffee. Yeah. But it's movies for fucking stupid 12 year olds. Yes. Who love ice cream. Yeah.

[01:31:33] But yeah I mean but yeah like the jump from their last meeting to to the death is like hard. Hard. That was but that is like a quick like. And to understand that like that's the way he dies. Oh yeah it's just like yeah he's murdered.

[01:31:47] It's fucking terrible. I'll say I watch this movie. I don't know if this is going to be a hot take. Oh boy. I think Shagelyne Hall is not great in this movie. That's a hot take. I think he becomes great later.

[01:31:59] Like I think he's given like at least five capital G great performances after this. I think in this he's pretty good. The one great scene he has in the is the final scene. Yeah.

[01:32:08] Where he sort of lets out with all his anger because he's always kind of been the more like comfortable easygoing. I think it's a good performance. I think this is a hard role because like you're saying like he's playing a much more

[01:32:17] comfortable and easygoing person like not just that he's comfortable like in his skin. Yeah. He's just kind of also an extroverted guy. He's an emotional actor. He's an emotional actor and he's better when he has things to do. He's a fantastic guy. I think he's become fantastic.

[01:32:31] I think he's good in this. I think he has the bad luck of having to act against Heath Ledger who not only is just like totally hitting a stride but also is playing such a full character. Yeah. And Jake is kind of like doing his thing.

[01:32:44] And Jake might have been thinking that he has to like make up for whatever Heath isn't giving him. Sure. More conventional movie star kind of leading man. You also have to you know that Heath is the lead and you have to be this like

[01:32:56] it's hard I think when you're performing like to perform charisma. Yes. Perform without performing. Being sexually appealing without doing too much. It's a tough performance. It's a tough performance. You know what I mean? The assignment is difficult. Not saying it's bad.

[01:33:15] I'm just saying I watch it and I'm like Jake Gyllenhaal today would be so much better in this role than he was. Oh interesting. I mean that you... I think that might be true. I'm speaking for all good actors as they get better.

[01:33:25] Jake Gyllenhaal's performance in Oak Dray is just a brave thing. Yeah. Yeah, they go from this the four years when they don't see each other they've been married to the first meet and then starts to become a more regular thing where they're seeing each other every other month.

[01:33:39] I think more than that. No, I think it's like every like six months to a year. Yeah. I think it's like you know Jack Nasty. I saw when I saw this movie I thought Michelle Williams was the falsest false this note in the movie.

[01:33:51] Like when I first saw because she does have the one big scene where you're like Jack Nasty is rough. That's a tough line for any actor. Now I'm isolated. Are you kidding? I love that scene now. Yeah.

[01:34:01] Because like now I see that and I'm like right she just does not have the vocabulary to describe what she's trying to say. The reason why it's so great is because you know that's what she's been calling him right. It's like her head. And it's been years.

[01:34:13] She says it and it sounds a little stupid. She knows it. She knows it. And she feels embarrassed and ashamed. And it's after they've broken up too. It's so good. She's with the other guy who is sitting in the other room with a cigar. Right.

[01:34:26] Who's the former manager at the supermarket, right? She always obviously had like a crush on her, but I'm just saying like he'd led her is basically like she's just sitting there with his cigar. Very repressed. This movie's so like brutal in those sort of hard cuts of juxtaposition.

[01:34:41] Yeah. But there's the one where it's them on the mountain and then it cuts back to her just sitting at the table alone with her cup of coffee. I mean also we're forgetting the scene where she sees them kissing and has that like little silent panic.

[01:34:52] And they're so passionate immediately stifled. Yeah. And she's just after acting acting acting acting acting acting. This was like a real sort of announcement for her that it's like, okay, she's a real major. That was the moment. That was the moment. And now she's one of the...

[01:35:06] She is. She's one of the great actresses. I really do think so. And she's now like it's her and Amy Adams are the two like most nominated people to not win. Interesting. Of this generation. I think Michelle will get there first to be honest. Possibly.

[01:35:20] I just want Amy to get in so badly. Yeah, I think we all do. I mean I actually think she deserved it for her arrival. My pick that year. Who won my year? That year was... It was last year, right? No, it was two years ago.

[01:35:32] So was it Emma's time? Yeah, it was Emma's time. Well, that was her big mom. And to be fair also, her aunt lived in Paris. That's true. She did win Best Persian Neat as well. With how looking and stumbled into... I mean it's pretty good.

[01:35:52] Emma's here in the studio. She's great in the movie. She's great. Four-time nominee Michelle Williams. But yeah... It's crazy that she didn't win for Manchester. But Viola Davis was... No, that's... That's a tough one. Although Viola should have been lead. Otherwise I think for Michelle.

[01:36:09] And also I think Viola should have won for the help. Really? Sure. Yeah, you're leading. Over and over. That was stupid. Yes. So time progresses. It becomes a more and more regular thing. His marriage totally falls apart because he kind of can't even keep faking it.

[01:36:24] And she has seen how passionate... She sees that moment between Ennis and Jack Nasty. Jake has the stick measuring contest with his father-in-law. Yes. But then also... That's such a good scene. Also wait, we're also forgetting... Sit on your old son of a bitch.

[01:36:40] We're forgetting when they go out to dinner with their friends Anna Faris and her husband and Anna Faris in such a good tiny part. Serious. Just giving you such Anna Faris, but at the time period realness. And then they go outside and the... Oh, is that David Harbour?

[01:36:59] Wow, David Harbour says to him, I heard you go up there and I would go up there with you. And it's like... And I feel like Jake is like, All right, David Harbour. And you've already had the earlier moment where he... He's got that Heath Dick.

[01:37:11] He can't go to that David Harbour Dick after that. He gets the letter from Heath about the divorce and then of his own volition without warning drives to see him. And it's like, I guess this means we can finally live together now, right?

[01:37:22] And he's sort of like, I got the goods. He goes to his car, starts crying, drives to Mexico, picks up. Rodrigo Pietro, the great cinematographer. This movie plays the young Mexican hustler. Because Erling did not like the actor they had found because he was too short.

[01:37:37] So he's like, Rodrigo, do you want to do this? Wow. Bad. But then yeah, the last meeting where it's like Jake has sort of started like becoming bitter, you know? It started being angry about the fact that he feels like

[01:37:52] they have not been living the life that clearly both of them want to be living. And Heath is just so steadfast of like non-option. Not only about whether or not I want to do it, can't do it.

[01:38:01] He doesn't get to hold on to us at the wrong place, wrong time, or good. It's really good. Really good. No, I'm saying you did your... Thank you. And then Jake has this flip out where he's like, Couple, high altitude, fucks! Here bro, back mountain.

[01:38:12] He's wearing that mustache so well. He wears the mustache very well. Right. That is that the... Ain't No Rain's on this one, which is my favorite line in the movie, which I think is one of their earlier getaways.

[01:38:21] But it's after that, that's the closest Heath comes to saying like, I love you. And it's the only way you can describe it where he's like, I can't control how I feel around you. Ain't No Rain's on this. I love that line.

[01:38:31] I think it's in the short story. Like I think it's such a perfect encapsulation of his character. Cuts from that to their younger days. Yeah. Them canoodling on the mountain, which is like really heartbreak. Steve Cookein's really good at this.

[01:38:44] And then like Steve Cookein's great in that scene. Fade to Heath picking up a letter from the post office. Yeah. Deceased stamp, such a fucking stab. So sad. Like it's so sudden. And it calls Lerlene. Lerlene. Yes, Lerlene. Lerlene. Right.

[01:39:02] She's got the most aggressive of her Reagan era wigs on, right? Right. At this point it's basically like sort of like a semi-circle. Like delivers her Oscar scene where she slowly starts to let on when she realizes who she's talking to. Yeah.

[01:39:15] That's why I've always wondered if she should have been nominated to. She should have been nominated to. She's very good. There's the moment, because I love, she starts telling the story of what happened to him.

[01:39:23] It's clearly rehearsed from like this is our like company line public like a PR statement story of what happened to him. And then when he identifies that he's the guy you see the switch in her eyes and she's like, oh, I'm talking to the one he actually loved.

[01:39:36] Yeah. But then at this point we little Linda Cardellini razor, but he's tried seeing her. Doesn't. She's excellent. The kind of scene like two scenes maybe she's great. She's so good in the scene where he breaks up with her.

[01:39:50] And Kate Mara is so fucking good in the scene where he takes her to meet her. She's really kind of weird about everything. It kind of plays like Kate Mara now knows from her mother at this point that her father's gay probably.

[01:40:01] She does understand why he's like wasting this woman's time. Right. And then asks if she can live with him. And he's like, oh, you can't. But then there's a scene where Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and the mom is kind of sympathetic. Yeah.

[01:40:15] The mom, the mom that's great. It's the same dynamic where you immediately like, oh, I understand. And she gives up the shirt and this is something that he gets so right is the scent. Yeah. That's just that metaphor of the shirts.

[01:40:27] When they leave the mountain that he like can't find his shirt. Yeah. Right. So like, yeah. Which is in and of itself devastating. And just that his childhood room and how like sort of spare it is and like the little toys

[01:40:39] and I don't know the difference of a supportive mother is why he was more comfortable with his sexuality. His dad is like, right? I can't remember what his dad says. He's played by that guy who plays like he's rebel rebel rebel. It's Peter McRoby. It's Peter McRoby. Yes.

[01:40:53] Yes. So we've talked about many times, but then one of the most quietly devastating final scenes in film history. Yeah. We're just like, okay. So now it's later, you know, came out for the hand in marriage, you know, or approval. He's so good at this scene. Yeah.

[01:41:08] So good. This is the specific scene that Daniel Day Lewis called out in his SAG speech for There Will Be Blood. Right. When he was like, this is the most outstanding piece of acting I'd ever seen. Right. Wow. And Heath was even nominated that year.

[01:41:20] I think he was just saying like that was great. Yeah. It was the same year. It was after he died. That's what it was. I guess it was right after. Right after. He died in like very early 2000. He died January 22nd. He died of my brother's birthday. Wow.

[01:41:34] I remember being in the car. Do you want to know what's crazy? I remember when I found this out, I was in the car on the way to see 27 dresses. Oh boy. And I had the radio on and they were like, this is crazy. Heath Ledger died.

[01:41:46] And I was like, what? Every broadcast was like, this is insane. Their composure was like, this is so weird. I was so devastated by it. I'm so rarely, because he was so young obviously, but like, it's the rare thing

[01:41:56] where I had to like sit down, not do anything all day. Like, yeah. Like, and I just remember the media outside of his apartment in New York. All that sort of nasty stuff that immediately right? Sort of started all the weird like sense of it. All the weird.

[01:42:12] He was with Mary Kay. Olson, what's going on? All that stuff with Michelle Williams, but they had sort of separated. They had separated. Right. Um, but like, of course they met on this movie. Yeah.

[01:42:23] This is like one of the best final lines in film history and it's like 75% in the delivery. Yeah. Like, it's a pretty good final line is written because it's like, okay, the guy,

[01:42:31] I swear even in a room by himself after he's lost love is like still can't fully verbalize. Yeah. Yeah. Still can't get the feeling out of him. I'm going to cry. But the like little smile that he puts on it.

[01:42:43] And then the fact that he's put the two shirts over each other. That it's like, here's a little closet where he's just going to live in his room. It hurts your heart. It hurts your heart. It's just breaking.

[01:42:52] And nothing, I think that that's like still like the pre-eminent piece of like LGBT cinema right now. Like I think that like there's really not been like something that gets the visual thing of like what it feels like to be truly repressed.

[01:43:12] Love being like compromised by like shame and all these things. I wish I knew how to quit you was like the joke meanie thing at the time. Right. But I think that was just more of like because it was easier people mocked that as being like

[01:43:25] this like really like heavy romantic drama. Like it was the gay love story or something like that. This thing like the forces are holding us apart. But the movie is all about bottled repressed emotions. And I think it's legacy is fucking like wheelhouse.

[01:43:39] He's the king of bottled and when people quote this movie, they quote Jack. I swear now. Yeah. It's like an activator. The fact that the sense doesn't end, you just immediately like get like caught in your throat three words. It's crazy. Right.

[01:43:53] He closes the door and then the music plays hard to watch. Right. Which it is weird now that listening to the score in this movie, it feels like a parody because of how often people reappropriated the score afterwards. That's another thing I want to talk about the score.

[01:44:05] I forgot how good the score is because he does kind of do his thing. He has two Oscars and the second time you're like, he just did it. He just did a guitar score again.

[01:44:14] Like I want to segment it's so good how spare it is like that he's not letting you have emotion if that means, you know, like that it's so and then the one is kind of unusual at that time. Now you have a lot more like twangy guitar.

[01:44:26] And the one time it breaks out is the, you know, and then you've got the fireworks that scene where like that shot is fucking phenomenal. Like where you're seeing anus like blow up blow up and you have that like

[01:44:37] James Dean, like giant like hero shot wears heads down in his fist as clenched and everything's exploding behind him. Beautiful. What a fucking iconic performance. This movie is fucking incredible. It is. It's great. It's better than I remembered it. And I remembered it so well.

[01:44:53] I think it will just continue to age better and better. And I think it is like you talk about like a lot of breakthrough LGBT movies hold up poorly because they were trying to sort of make some point

[01:45:05] and then you're just like, well, that point wasn't fully executed. These stories are almost always held by straight people. Which this movie predominantly is. Yeah, Larry McMurtry and Diana O'Sunner. We should say both this.

[01:45:16] The key to this movie and one of the reasons I think this movie was such a breakthrough is that it is just like an emotional story first and foremost and its gay identity comes from that sense of repression which is somewhat universal.

[01:45:28] You know, like as much as it is very specific to that sort of identity, it's just the story about like not being able to live the life you want be with the person you want to be with. Which is universal.

[01:45:39] Right. It's so based in those emotions that I think it became a weird blockbuster which Randy Quaid sued them for. Yes, it made $83 million. It made 178 worldwide. So 83 13 years ago would be like 150 now. Right? That's a dress for inflation. 117. It's not that long. Yeah. All right.

[01:45:59] Number one, this is we're talking December 9th, 2005. Griffin's good and you guys can weigh in if you want. This is my one weird savants. So broke back open limited obviously sort of open number 15. So broke backs not, you know, what was its biggest weekend?

[01:46:11] It's biggest weekend, you know, like it's like seven million dollars like, you know, it just kind of like around. Yeah. It was a phenomenon. Number one is maybe the biggest movie they know maybe it is maybe it's the biggest movie of 2005. It's a big fantasy movie.

[01:46:28] No, it's number two behind Star Wars episode three. It's chronicles of not the line that which in Lord or around. $65 million is line the line. Our friend Todd Vanderwerf screen grabbed the top 20 films of 2005 and said, has there been another year for movies with more films

[01:46:45] that don't exist? If you look at the top 20 of 2005, it's like none of these movies, flight plant that doesn't exist. Yeah, no, it's not a movie. Phone with Dick and Jane does not exist. I love flight plan. Goblet of fire. Goblet of fire. I was going to say.

[01:46:59] It doesn't exist. The one Harry Potter movie doesn't exist. Madagascar robots. Robots. Robots. It's not a pacifier. I don't see Madagascar either. Number two, and I can't believe this movie made as much money. This movie made $50 million. It's an expanding movie.

[01:47:16] So it's been around for three weeks, but it's expanding. But this is like an Oscar plan. It wins an Oscar. It wins an Oscar. 2005. It's making $11 million this weekend. It's a very serious like ensemble drama. So very seriana. Correct. It's very serianus. Wow, wow, wow. Seriana.

[01:47:35] That movie made $50 million. It kind of sold it like it was a thriller. I had George Clooney. They had Clooners. George Clooners. Winning an Oscar for gaining weight. And getting tortured. Outside of like, you know, people who like are emotionally invested in Oscar histories like us.

[01:47:52] If you held a gun to anyone's head on the street, they would never guess that that's the thing he wanted to ask for. No, I mean, because it's good night and good luck. What did he went for? Typical typical example of we should give this person an Oscar.

[01:48:03] He grew a beard. He gained weight and it was the same year that he had done everything else. I hate when they do that. The story about his back injury. I got a back injury. You don't see me stumping first. You definitely never mentioned it.

[01:48:13] Number three is we've talked about it like so much on this fucking podcast already. It's the fourth film in a franchise. Goblet of Fire. Goblet of Fire. Goblet of Fire. Goblet of Fire. Number four is a film we also talked about just a minute ago. It's Ella Enchanted.

[01:48:28] It's not Ella Enchanted. Beauty Shop. Beauty Shop. Neither Beauty Shop. Princess Diaries 2 Royal Enchanted. Honey. No, not a honey. It's an Oscar, another Oscar winner this year. Chocolat. Nope. Nope. What is it? What is it? Oh my God. It's a music biopic. Oh wow. Miss Walk The Line.

[01:48:48] Miss Walk The Line. Miss Walk The Line. Miss Walk The Line. Miss Walk The Line. It's not even in the top five. Number five, I had to look up to remember what this movie is. It's a family comedy. Family Stone. Nope.

[01:49:00] So you from the title didn't even remember what it was? And it's got one of those titles where you're like, huh? Like one of those like really bland like... Is it a holiday? Family on Sombro? The Squid and the Whale. No, no, no. Think bad. Think bad.

[01:49:12] But it's a family comedy. No, is it a comedy for families or is an adult comedy about a family? It's about, I think it's about two people merging their families. It's like a couple... Meet the Fockers. You're close. Meet the parents.

[01:49:26] I mean it's like a meet the parents rip-off. Or Christmases. Here we go. Another good suggestion. Guys, it is an ultimate doesn't exist movie. From the director of Scooby-Doo. It is called Yours, Mine Hours. Oh! It was written in Eruzzo. Eruzzo and Dennis Quaid. It's a Dennis Quaid.

[01:49:39] Remake of a Lucille Ball Henry Fonda comedy. Oh my God. And isn't it like the idea like they both have like seven kids or whatever? Because a treat by the dozen was so big that they were like, let's remake. Big families. Right. Right. Yeah. All right, we're done.

[01:49:55] That's it. We did it. I mean, Eon Flux, Just Friends. Aon Flux. A lot of movies that don't exist. Chicken Little? Hey, can I throw out a Just Friends hot take? Cause you just said that movie doesn't exist. Anna Faris should have been nominated for that.

[01:50:07] Just Friends is incredible. It is so good. Thank you. Just Friends is amazing. Thank you. Also, Anna Faris, if they took comedy seriously would be nominated for that. I think the pop star is Anna Faris. Yes, yes. Forgiveness. Yes. Samantha James with the poster. You just don't know.

[01:50:21] Small people. The Usher film in the mix. Sorry. Can I just say something? Rent? Can I say something? Chris Columbus is rent. By both of you, quickly standing for Just Friends. And Anna Faris, I want to say I appreciate you being straight male allies.

[01:50:36] Straight male friend zone allies. Thank you. It's important that we don't erase that culture. No. Absolutely not. We can't have it. They are. They are. They are. And actually white straight males under attack.

[01:50:50] Yeah, I heard that Tucker Carlson is going to start doing his show from 100 miles under the ground of the earth because straight men are being attacked on the surface of the earth. Bugs Bunny's got giant pencil out.

[01:51:00] He's trying to erase Tucker Carlson from the feed up like duck a mock. He's trying to race him while he's broadcasting. We have to protect Tucker. We have to protect Tucker. Bugs Bunny is the biggest, the biggest eraser. He loves racing people and thinks it's funny.

[01:51:12] Then he redraws you. Bugs Bunny is alright. Bugs Bunny is the original art alt right troll. Absolutely. Yeah, it's crazy because we all know Amar Fudd very liberal. Very liberal. And he's just trolling him. Amar Fudd's gay. He's a lip-a-tarch. His last name is Fudd.

[01:51:30] His last name is Fudd and you know what? He loves to stem the rose. Loves to stem the rose. He is a gun owner but very left. He's a gun owner but very left. He's like a whoopee goldberg. Amar Fudd is actually an active bottom.

[01:51:45] He's a power bottom. He's a power bottom. He's very involved in the sex. Very vocal. Politically vocal during sex, actually. Yeah. I mean we should say... He's a left leaning liberal and that his dick leans a little to the left. Who did he vote for?

[01:52:03] He voted for Jill Stein which is kind of a problem. Which is kind of a problem. He's a bit of a Sarandon in that sense. Totally. And he won't take it back. He won't take it back now.

[01:52:13] I think it's actually good that we know what it's like to have this bad a prep. Like he tries to make it seem like it was all part of his plan. He keeps being on MSNBC and you're like, just don't take the book. Keep it.

[01:52:22] I identify with Susan Sarandon. Not in that I voted for Jill Stein because I did not. But I identify with Susan Sarandon in feud. Betty and Joan she is really, really good but always gets second fiddle.

[01:52:35] And on Las Clocharistas I'm really, really good but always gets second fiddle. And Boen Yang is Jessica Lange and what will happen in... Boen Yang is Jessica Lange. That is true. Boen Yang is Jessica Lange and I am Susan and it's crazy.

[01:52:47] Hey look, as good time as I am. I wholly reject that. If I'm anyone from feud, Betty and Joan, I am... You are Jessica Lange and you can't even deny. I am... You are Joan. I am Catherine Zeta-Jones as Olivia DeHavillie. You are not. You are not.

[01:53:05] You are and in fact when we did lip sync performance to feud Betty and Joan, you did Joan and I did Betty. What is that? Is that the part where they say... It's a... I don't know. Oh, you yell at... Oh, okay.

[01:53:21] It's a scene where they're yelling about their careers and they're like... It's terribly written. It's classic Ryan Murphy garbage but delivered by actors who are amazing. Like how did it feel to be the most talented girl in the world? I mean, that's the recipe.

[01:53:35] The code he cracked is actors who now don't get major parts in films. Right, yeah. It's like, alright, yeah, all these lines. I'll give you a lot of stuff to get that explained to my 11 Oscar nominations. It's like... When would they have said that? I don't know.

[01:53:49] People can't see it at all on the Italian glamour makeup. So watch feud available now on FXNOW. Yes, sure. Feuds great and for you to say that Ryan Murphy didn't write that beautifully is a razor. Yesterday I watched... It is impossible to erase Ryan Murphy.

[01:54:04] There's like 40,000 credits on IMDB. He's the one guy Bugs Bunny can't get to. He's taken out an extra large eraser. He's staying. He's staying. I did watch the final scene where she hallucinates Betty Davis in her apartment and that is phenomenally done. And then when they're watching...

[01:54:19] When they're at the Oscars and they're doing the in-memorium and the Joan Crawford comes up for two seconds and they go, that was it. And the student surrounded says, that's all any of us will get. That's kind of... That's pretty good.

[01:54:32] Someone has definitely said that at the Oscars. Someone did. Do you guys hope that by the time... To Joan and they raise a drink. Do you guys hope that by the time we die there's a podcasting award show so we can at least make that montage?

[01:54:44] No, I'm going to be at the Oscars honey and they're going to stop the whole show and give me a 15 minute tribute bitch and if they don't that's a razor. They'll do it to go. They'll do a John Hughes thing.

[01:54:52] Where they bring out every other member of Pop Roulette to memorialize him. You'd be like, why did he get a hole in Mormon's segment to himself? Pop Roulette actually never existed. Pop Roulette never existed. That's a razor. You're racing yourself. No, just kidding. It was beautiful. It existed.

[01:55:07] It was there. Listen to Las Culturas, Tess. Guys, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having us. Thank you for all. Such a pleasure. Thank you. This is a real pleasure. We love you both. Oh come on. I love you both. Love allies. Allies all.

[01:55:22] And I believe that if this was the 50s and we were all gay and Bone and I were gay and you guys were straight I believe that you would not kill us. No, I'll say that confidently. I would not murder you. I don't got murder in me.

[01:55:33] I would not murder you. David and I would not murder him. But I would still be very afraid. David and I would walk by and we'd give you like a sly little head nod. We'd be like fine by me. And I'd be like, and I would just scream,

[01:55:44] what is that? Are you flirting with us or what? I would have been the gay guy that was like, um, hello. Yes. What? Ben, what do you think of this movie? Um, it's great. Maybe sad. Thank you for listening. Please remember to rate or view, subscribe.

[01:56:00] Thank you to Andra Gouda for her social media, Joe Bone and Pat Rounds for artwork, Lea Munkering for her theme song. Go to blankiezer at that time for some real nerdy shit. And if you don't listen. That's a rager. And as always, Jake, it's fine. It's fine, Jake.

[01:56:19] It's fine. I'd need it just like that. It's fine.