Caged Heat/ Crazy Mama/ Fighting Mad

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check White Hot Desires Melting Cold Podcast Steel Is that for Caged Heat?

[00:00:26] Yep, okay. Give me another second here. You got them all? Hold on. Hold on, pause. Oh, the Crazy Mama one's long. In 1957, Cheryl drove Montchevy on a heavy date, got knocked up, knocked over a bank, smashed four police cars and kidnapped her stepfather. It was a crazy podcast.

[00:00:46] Pretty good. Okay, hold on. The next one's pretty good too. Hold on, please. People really care about Taggle. Please hold on. An Avenger on Wheels. He chases them across the state and wipes them off the podcast. Hold on.

[00:01:05] What they do to his woman is the most shocking podcast of all. Really? I don't even know. I mean, a lot of shocking stuff happens in that movie. I don't know if he chases them across the state. Yeah, I don't know how accurate it is.

[00:01:18] He just goes over to their house. Okay, well anyway, I am finished now so you can make whatever points you want to make. People used to really put a lot of effort into Taggle. I really appreciate that. And they were like a little, a paragraph.

[00:01:29] It could be like a little story. Well here's the thing I like looking at old movie posters. Yeah. I mean, Cage Sheep poster is phenomenal. Phenomenal. Oh, phenomenal. That's a phenomenal. No, but the thing I like about old movie posters is...

[00:01:42] Crazy Mama looks like some shit, like a weirdo drew. Like there was just like give it to the weirdo and he was like, It was like a pamphlet that someone hands out in Times Square. Right, then it's like a Chick Tract or something. Fighting Mad, it's okay.

[00:01:56] The thing I like about old posters and especially I feel like sort of like schlocky, cormony, exploitation movies like this is that marketing was not as saturated. So a movie had to be able to sell itself exclusively on its poster if that was what need be.

[00:02:13] This Fighting Mad poster is really good. Right. Because it's the other one where he's like got the bow. Yeah. And that one has the thing where it's like, hey, he's got a bow. Right. This one no bow, but it's still pretty cool. You know what I'm saying though?

[00:02:25] Yeah, I do. Like you need to be able to walk up to the theater and be like, What's playing this Friday? And the poster has 12 sentences on it. And there's a bunch of elements. Right. Right. It's got like really kinetic like illustration. Yeah.

[00:02:37] It's kind of similar to like schlocky paperback novels. Yes. I would buy this poster and hang it on my wall. It's a great poster. You know what I mean? Because it's sort of a conversation piece too. Yeah. You can be like, oh yeah, Peter Fonda is in that.

[00:02:50] You know, that was a Jonathan Demi movie. You know, I feel like you get a couple times a year a movie, especially if the movie is supposed to be like a throwback or an homage to like a bygone genre film. Right.

[00:03:01] They'll be like, oh look, it's an internet exclusive. We did like a BTS cover. Right. But they'll just like put it on like a fucking website. It'll be like a film thread exclusive or whatever.

[00:03:09] And it disappears and I'm like, how much attention would one of these movies get if they were just like, this is our fucking poster. We hired like a painter. The best part. Right. They were like 12 painters. Right. You hired one of them. Right.

[00:03:25] But like look at like, you know, the most popular movie of 2019, Stuber did one of these posters that's like... Stuber is just so crucial to this podcast, I feel like. And also I feel like crucial to the state of cinema. Yeah.

[00:03:37] No, but that's why we're invested in Stuber. 100%. Even though Stuber came and went. Yes. Didn't make a ton of money. Like an Uber ride. Just a quick flip. Just a quick flip. Just a quick flip.

[00:03:48] But Stuber's important because I feel like Fox, Alan Horn comes out and he's like, look, what can we say? Fox had terrible year. We have to fire 8 billion employees because Dark Phoenix bombed. Right. And obviously an excuse. Right.

[00:04:04] They were always gonna fucking cut Fox off at the ankles. They were always going to strip it for parts. Right. And I feel like you could put as much blame on Stuber as Dark Phoenix. And Stuber is a far better movie and it lost less money.

[00:04:19] Yeah, I don't think right. It didn't lose too much money because it can't cost that much, right? Right. But I do think that... Like that movie had an aggressive marketing campaign. Sure. And it had a prime position in a summer where no comedies were working.

[00:04:33] And it so fully failed to register in any way. I think I had a few. If we really want to... Can we start our miniseries off in a good note by analyzing a couple of the problems in this movie about marketing campaign?

[00:04:45] Fuck, I forgot we're starting a miniseries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot like the dew on a leaf as the sun gently rises and tickles the plains. The promise of a new tomorrow. It's morning in America, blankies. Can you add a rooster crowing right there when he says that?

[00:05:09] It's morning in America and if you look out there off in the horizon, squint, Ben. Squint, can you see it just faintly? Just slightly. Coming up the road. Yeah, here it comes. What is it? Oh my god, it's a no miniseries! It's a no miniseries, David!

[00:05:27] Oh no, it's burning up! I think people are like, oh! Oh no! The miniseries is too hot! It's photo sensitive. I can't handle the miniseries! Of course, there's a podcast called Blank Check with Gryffindon David. I'm Gryffindon. So excited for the new fans.

[00:05:46] David, new fans joining the DemiHeads. Podcasts about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their careers to give a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce, baby!

[00:06:01] And this is a miniseries on the films of Jonathan Demi and I just realized we have not had even one conversation about the name of this miniseries. No, I don't think so. We just barreled into it. Look at how fucking arrogant we've become.

[00:06:16] Pretty sure I know what the name is. What do you think it is? Mary to the Pod. I strongly disagree. I could not disagree. No, no, please go ahead. What's the name? You just strongly disagree with Mary to the Pod. Yeah, I do.

[00:06:31] I feel like it should be a Solence of the Lambs thing, but now I'm trying to figure out how to make it work. We've not talked about this once. I'm not upset. I'm just astonished. Remember the amount of hand-wringing we used to do over every detail?

[00:06:45] The potchery and cast today. We've become complacent. We need to shake it up. Well, don't you think it's... It really is. And it's a miniseries. Right. A remake. Mays, you shouldn't be titled after a remake. I mean, Frank and I were not sliced into your Jesus Christ.

[00:07:01] I always get my, you know, icing jerseys. Well, it's fine in your cancel. The... It finally happened. Solence of the Lambs. Cancel! Solence of the Lambs. You've been walking a tightrope for so long, and David is high-fiving. Now Ben is not interested in my antics today.

[00:07:18] No, I like antics. All right, thank you. I was actually getting distracted because I was thinking about how I would sound design the canceled moment. Oh, sure, sure, sure. See, this is what I'm talking about.

[00:07:28] I was thinking about it would be a stamp and it would be like, cancel. Yeah, that's good. We've got to kick our butts in the gear. Okay. We've got to get creative. You know what? You're right. It's a new miniseries. This is always an opportunity to start fresh.

[00:07:41] And the freshest start we've ever had. And I'm going to say... You don't want to talk about Stuber? I do want to talk about Stuber. Well, get back to Stuber in a second. Of course we have to talk about Stuber. To be clear, this is posting November 10th.

[00:07:56] So Stuber will be available on digital? Stilbuck's coming. Well, platforms. You know, I haven't seen a Stilbuck pre-order. We're going to be better this miniseries. We're going to be stronger. Stronger? Be faster. Okay. I don't think we'll be faster. I'm going to vape less.

[00:08:10] Well, I thought you quit. Well, I have a different kind of vape now. Oh, boy. I don't think getting a different kind of vape is quitting. It's like, you know, a special vape. Yeah, get wacky to back it. Ben's holding up. It's Snoop Dogg's brand.

[00:08:27] And what is the name of Snoop Dogg's brand? Jimna Free Plug. Why not? G something. Great. I'm sure he's thrilled. Okay. Here are a couple of big news items. It's probably how Snoop Dogg pitched it. I don't know. It's called like G something.

[00:08:41] Here are a couple of big news items. One, Ben, you will be elated to hear that I finally watched the beach bomb. Oh, it's now streaming on who? I forgot you hadn't seen it because it came and went came. It opened so wide. It bombed so quickly.

[00:08:55] And like the week it was playing wide was the week I was in LA trying in vain to save my TV show. Right. My TV show of course being the fuck. I was going to make some joke.

[00:09:07] No, I couldn't think of like a show that got canceled, which I could pretend I was a fan of. Oh, sure. That was the joke. You did that joke at George Lucas. I do that joke all the time. Yeah.

[00:09:18] If you can't remember what show you said to him. No, I can't remember what fuck it was. It was whatever was actually like the news that we can't remember. Sneaky Pete, whatever. I don't know. It was so sneaky. It was funny when I did it.

[00:09:28] You should have been there. What is sneaky Pete was sneakier than ever? I know. Goliath. Oh, here's another check in. Remember when I predicted that both sneaky Pete and Bosch would be canceled by the

[00:09:36] time that episode came out and I was correct about sneaky Pete but incorrect about Bosch? It turned out Bosch got renewed for two seasons at the same time. So it doesn't count so I wasn't wrong. I was ill-informed. Fine. Okay, now back on to Serious Matters.

[00:09:52] Such as the title of this mini series or Stuber's Box Office performance? No, not yet. Table it. Table it. Stuber is in the hopper. I have two other things to talk about first. This very streamlined episode. People complain that we're not talking about the movies enough.

[00:10:02] I'm going to correct that but let me talk about four things that have nothing to do with this filmography first. One. Finally watch The Beach Bomb. It's on Hulu. Yeah. No one.

[00:10:12] No one told me that Harmony Coran wrote a script in which Snoop Dogg is a character, hired Snoop Dogg to play Snoop Dogg and then somewhere along the process Snoop Dogg was like I feel

[00:10:25] a little constrained by this literally being me can we change the name of the character? So the character's name is different but he is otherwise exactly the same as celebrity Snoop Dogg. Right.

[00:10:36] Down to the point where when Drop It Like It's Hot is playing he goes this song was a big hit for me. Also he's intricately involved in the life of a Miami poet.

[00:10:46] I love that he was like you know what would be funny if this guy was friends with Snoop Dogg and he reaches out to Snoop Dogg and he's like it's kind of a weird it's like

[00:10:53] a Bing John Malcovitch thing it's like a fictionalized version of you but you fit into this narrative are you down to do it? And he's like yes. And then as they're in the rehearsal process he's like you know what I feel

[00:11:02] like I want to make some choices with this character. I need to change the name to lingerie but otherwise nothing else has changed. Simple question. Yeah. Was it did he want to change the name because he was worried he was a little too close to

[00:11:15] the character or just because it would be funny if he was called lingerie? From my understanding because I tried to go deep on this I was like demanding answers from my understanding he was like I think we have more room to play if it's not literally me. Right.

[00:11:30] Right. Okay. So celebrities like Snoop Dogg. Yeah. Like I think that's cool. Like this is what this mini series is going to be, huh? No what did she think of the beat? Come on Willie Nelson. Uh huh. Snoop Dogg how do you rise to that level?

[00:11:48] I like smoking weed. Where you're like making money off of your brand as just being a toker. I'm really now. Famous already it feels like you got to kind of be famous for a good few years

[00:11:59] and then just talk about it so much people like we get it that's your thing. Yeah. All right. And then after a while you're like I quit and they're like alright. You're not interested anymore. Seth Rogen I gotta say has done a pretty good job of.

[00:12:12] I can't do it. Oh. He's done a good job. Right. I'm going to Cookie Monster. I think he's done a good job of maintaining a level of weed culture focus that is sustainable because he's never had to do the scale back thing. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

[00:12:37] A lot of these guys go a little too hard at some point and then it's like they have to go like I'm not just all about weed. Right. Um okay very important matter of business. Yeah.

[00:12:47] Well I was just going to say I love this Snoop Dogg lingerie beach bomb thing. I think it's one of the most seditious choices I've ever seen in a movie and it's great because it's the opposite of Diane Ward in Chappy in terms of successfulness. I agree.

[00:13:01] Which is like oh they keep the names the same make the characters different but the actors are playing t-shirts with the name of their band on them. Did you like the movie? Beach Bomb yes I think it's fantastic. Point number two right.

[00:13:19] Point number two I have a huge announcement for everyone and Ben doesn't even know this. I've officially gotten David into steel books. Oh sure sure sure right. I don't know if Ben's that pumped about that. I don't even know what that means.

[00:13:30] Okay for the listener at home Ben's eyes have rolled back into it. The listeners are freaking out and the point is I started texting David images of steel books and then selling him on. Steel books are like I always fucking talk about them. No I'm excited.

[00:13:48] They're like discs that come in like a metal case and they usually have more minimalist artwork and they're like limited edition and they're usually exclusive to Best Buy and I set David off and he ordered like three of them. Yeah yeah just feel good about this. That's cool.

[00:14:01] And this is a new mini series it's a fresh start and it's a really clean entry point for new listeners. Okay point number three Stuber. It's so Stuber. I'm just gonna say I know what you're talking about. I know what you're saying you know what I mean.

[00:14:12] With the Stuber poster? Oh oh you wanted to say you're talking about the poster specifically. Yes. What were you gonna say about it? I just think like a lot of these titles that underperformed this year and prompted a sort

[00:14:23] of like oh no is like the studio movie dead is the comedy that is the you know like you know it's like Stuber got bad reviews. Yeah. It had a terrible name. I'm sorry but it did. Yeah.

[00:14:34] And although I think there's a lot of public goodwill for Dave, Batista and Camille maybe they're not quite at this sort of level where people just automatically gonna see movie because they're in it.

[00:14:44] So it just had a lot working against it and you know that was that right? It's just sort of like it's hard to break through. Like it opened against Crawl and a lot of people were like Crawl what's it about? There's the crocodile. Yeah. It used people.

[00:15:00] I'm there. But Crawl even underperformed. Crawl did fine. Crawl did not. Crawl should have done much better. What? Crawl did great. What did Crawl end up at 45? 38. Oh David that's not good. Horror is one of the only viable. Yeah but it was Paramount. That's what I'm...

[00:15:20] Oh so that means it did well? Oh I don't know. Okay. New listeners they do this all the time. Paramount torpedoed that movie. They fucked it up. They torped everything. They fucked it up. Please hire us Paramount. Look at Cursolalla Aronia a movie that quietly made $65 million domestic.

[00:15:39] Yeah but that was in the conjuring universe. I know. That's some branding right there. I'm just saying Crawl had some of the best reviews of the year. Crawl got some good reviews but that was a good movie.

[00:15:48] They didn't screen it in time so it got kind of late good reviews but yeah. They fucked it up. Can I say a big thing about Crawl? Sure. Saw it in theaters like all American moviegoers should have. Right.

[00:16:04] And it was the first film I've seen a long time and obviously I have more love for the medium than most but it was the first film I've seen theatrically in a long time

[00:16:15] where I was like man I hate that they fucked up 3D and killed it because Crawl is a movie designed to be 3D. You liked the medium more than most I would say but yeah.

[00:16:25] But even still I cannot remember the last time in five years I saw a movie and I was like fuck this should have been in 3D. Crawl is like it should have been in 3D. It's all like spaces with a water level that's high. It's very immersive.

[00:16:36] It's all about depth. Right it's in small contained quarters. Yeah I'm too claustrophobic to see that movie because everyone was like Ben you have to see this such a wet movie and I was interested. Very wet. But I can't do claustrophobic stuff. Most of it's in a basement.

[00:16:50] Yeah sounds like a nightmare. I'll see it on the steelbook. TV. Oh man the Crawl Steelbook. Maybe it'll be like in the shape of a crocodile biting. Ooh maybe there'll be a bite mark in the steelbook. Got a text message? What do you got there? That's not important.

[00:17:08] What's important is that the Venom Steelbook and once again very streamlined episode very focused new mini series great entry point for new listeners. The Venom Steelbook is like. It's his face I see it. And it's like the title is forming in the sides of his mouth.

[00:17:21] Well Venom's a pretty malleable face. I know but I just think that's like a clever design and this gets back to the thing watch me come full circle. I love Venom. I find the steelbook artwork is so often more compelling than the actual artwork for

[00:17:36] the main release of the film because they feel like oh we can get more creative with it and then for the main release it's usually some photoshopped like jumbled nonsense right. And I feel the same way about posters where you look at these three Corbin movies Yeah.

[00:17:50] And they all have striking posters. They do. They do. And I feel like something like Stuber they'll do like a retro throwback like Stuber poster. Do you mean like this one? I think that's the one. Right. And you're like it's kind of half ass. This one's no good.

[00:18:06] It's like a poor emulation of what they're trying to do and The Stuber poster that wasn't bad was the one that prominently featured the dog. I know. Because then at least something like oh there's a dog in this thing. Well and I also like

[00:18:17] And it turns out the dog's barely involved. Okay. This is a mini-series on the films of Jonathan Demy obviously. Kind of a green. Yeah. And I'm going to just write out the silence of the lambs and see if I can visualize how to make this work.

[00:18:32] And we're going to talk about all three of these movies a bunch because this is the first time we've covered three movies in one episode which of course means we're stalling for time and trying to figure out ways to pad out the episode. Yeah.

[00:18:43] Which we really need to do. Yeah. This is the beginning of our Jonathan Demy mini-series and for the beginning of our Jonathan Demy mini-series we're talking about the three movies he made with the Corman family, Caged Heat, Crazy Mama and Fightin' Man. In that order. Three successive years. 1974, 1975, 1976.

[00:19:01] Bam, bam, bam. And someone on the reddit point out, Caged Heat is now officially the oldest movie we've covered on the podcast. That is true. We got to go further back. We haven't done anything? Yeah, no.

[00:19:11] We got to go back but we so far have not covered a film earlier than 1974. I think this beats the loveless as previously the oldest. There you go. Fair enough. But here's a big asterisk as to why. We usually cover current filmmakers, working filmmakers

[00:19:24] whose careers we can still track. This is the first time we are covering a late filmmaker on the podcast, which is sad. I'm happy that we're making time to discuss all of his film because it's quite a career.

[00:19:38] I mean he's a relatively current filmmaker and then like he made a movie that came out five or six years ago whenever Ricky and the Flash came out. But it's the first time we're talking about someone where there's a full like end ellipses on the mini-series.

[00:19:50] There's no sort of forward thinking like what could happen. Griffey in the podcast. This is our second director. March Madness. That one, our March Madness bracket. Right. He defeated George Miller. In the final round. And it was quite a Cinderella run kind of like the Nancy Meyers one.

[00:20:12] But it's stealth. That's the thing because Nancy Meyers was dominating every Madness. She got some big scalps early. Right. But he was like that March Madness was kind of boring like all the winners were kind of big shots.

[00:20:24] We were upset because we were like it's going to be a really boring final four where it's just the top four seed. He was kind of sneaking along. I mean let me try and get... And I feel like he was like edging out narrow victories.

[00:20:33] Like yeah okay like here was his run. He beat Cronenberg by four points. Kind of a surprise. Yeah, I was surprised. He beat Verbinski by a lot. I was very surprised.

[00:20:45] But you swung the vote by tweeting that you didn't want to talk about Johnny Depp for a while. I swung the vote and I didn't think it would have that effect and I will live with that guilt forever. Yeah, who cares?

[00:20:55] And then in the quarterfinals he beat PTA by a hair by two points. And that was kind of interesting matchup. That was like ew yeah mentor and you know disciple. PTA being the disciple. Right. And then in the semifinals he beat Ramey by two points so another time.

[00:21:13] I mean he squeaked all the way. Yeah. And then he beat Miller by four points. So it was always squeakers. Yeah. Squeaked, squeaked. And even now, looking back, I can't believe it happened. What a run. I'm looking at his films.

[00:21:26] I mean right now I feel like is it just the silence of the podcast? Yeah fine that's good. Let's do it. The silence of the podcast. The truth about podcasting? Stop potting cast. The truth about podcasting? Stop potting cast. I don't like that. Stop making podcasting.

[00:21:40] I don't like potting as a word. Stop making podcast. That's not a verb. We're not potting right now. As a casting. The thing that America cries out to us all the time? Stop making podcast. Conan already did it. The truth about podcasting? Uh-huh.

[00:21:57] I just kind of like that as a grabby title. It's kind of interesting. The truth about podcasting? But here's the truth about podcasting. I love it. I mean a great twist. What I like about silence of the podcast is it's a little bit funny.

[00:22:15] It's a little winsome because it's like silence of the podcast is an audio medium. I mean that's fair. It's really funny David. Well why don't we put up a survey? Okay here are the options. Stop making podcasts. Alright wait a second let me. The truth about podcast?

[00:22:37] I think all of these have to be podcast as in it as one word. We're not splitting up podcasting. I don't like splitting them up unless it's really smooth. And when it's smooth? Oh baby doesn't feel good. Something while doesn't work. Mary to the podcast.

[00:22:52] Did I like when you were humping the air? Yes. Everyone loved that David. What's he doing? More physical. Okay that's a new thing. For this new mini series more physical bits. More physical bits. Well if you want to get David physical hold up a picture. Colin Farrell.

[00:23:12] Ben's dabbing. You said that with great distress. Okay here are the four options ready? And don't worry we will very shortly start talking about the first of three movies. Also effective moving forward this is I have to weigh in as the commissioner.

[00:23:34] The commish right one of your kind of book or so you're a commish. Officially don't work eating on blank check. Hey look you know it's controversial but I am one who has been vouching for this for a little while. To stop eating? Yeah.

[00:23:49] I'll say this we're only ever eating if we're fucking hungry and like timing has gotten away from us right? We don't do it deliberately. But no more. If I see just anything edible in your hands I will smack it out. What the fuck is the Twitter password?

[00:24:10] You want me to say it on mic? For listeners just tuning in we spent six minutes trying to remember the password to our own Twitter account. Alright here are the polls. I think we had to cut all of that out. Yeah. Truly several minutes.

[00:24:25] Okay here we go back in full energy. Alright here we go come on come on come on. Four options. One stop making podcast Ben is vomiting in the corner. Two the silence of the cast's. No pod drop the pod it's cleaner.

[00:24:39] This is a new mini series everything's out the window. Alright. Number three the truth about podcast singular. Your boy's wild for this one. Truth about podcast. Alright okay fine yeah. Number four married to the pod. I want all four of them to be different.

[00:24:57] A singular, a plural, one pod, one cast. This is radical this is what happens when there's a new mini series. It's tweeted. Okay huge. I didn't mean to say that like it sounded like a crazy person. And we're having a great time and we're all in great mood.

[00:25:12] I think it's going pretty good. I think it's going great. So Jonathan Deming was born February 22nd 1944 in Baldwin, New York. In Baldwin, New York? Baldwin, New York. Alright. He was raised in Rockville Center, New York. He's long out. In Miami.

[00:25:28] In Miami because he graduated from Southwest Miami high school. Okay okay went to the University of Florida. Right so it's like first half he's in like sort of like Westchester, Long Island, New York life. Second half he goes tropical baby like the beach bump. Yeah.

[00:25:44] Do we have any idea what happened? Did he go to film school? I realized we didn't. University of Florida has a famous film school. Right. I bought a Demi book hasn't arrived yet. Wow. We really we went quickly into this mini series without realizing we had done any

[00:25:59] of the pre-wed movies. You're looking at me like I do that. I'm looking at you with a sense of like please forgive me. Here we go, here we go. Here we go. Cut some of that out. Cut everything up. Enough dissing of the podcast.

[00:26:11] Here's the start of the episode. Here we go. Here we go. He became a film critic at the U of C... U of Florida college paper. The old Bogdanovich pathway. I can reveal this now. Can I reveal a spoiler about it too? What?

[00:26:26] Because this is coming out way. Bogdanovich plays a director in it. He's like the director of a movie that like of like it won essentially. Like James McAvoy like wrote it won right. He's like a grown-up screenwriter now and he like wrote a movie about his childhood.

[00:26:41] And like Bogdanovich plays the director. It's pretty great. I thought you were saying can I share a spoiler about it comma TOO? Which is a problem that I think is going to keep happening when this movie comes out. Well I believe it chapter two is the...

[00:26:54] No, but you know what I'm saying. I was like a spoiler about what? Okay sure. Anyway that's the spoiler. And you were like this also. That's what I thought you were saying. Alright, alright.

[00:27:04] Which I bring up because the other day I was texting with our friend Alex Ross Perry and we similarly had a giant miscommunication over the fact that I texted to ask him if he had seen scary stories to tell in the dark.

[00:27:15] And then to curious what you thought about it. But the first text didn't go through and he was like I liked it okay. Oh sure, sure. Saw the first one. And he did for the second one. And I was like have they announced a sequel?

[00:27:28] And we kept talking about it. Alright, Jesus. Alright, came to the attention of producer Joseph Levine. Okay, as a critic. As a critic. Who was so impressed by Demi's positive review of the movie Zulu, a British classic. Yeah.

[00:27:43] That now is probably just the most fucking impossibly racist movie ever made. Like I haven't thought about Zulu or no I was Michael Cain's launch. Have you ever seen Zulu? No, I've heard Michael Cain talk about filming Zulu. Like, it was rough out.

[00:27:56] Like what, would like talk negatively? You know when his master class thing, yeah he talked about it a lot all the lessons he learned from being bad on Zulu. Anyway whatever. I've never seen that. My parents, my grandparents used to have it on VHS. Yeah.

[00:28:11] And when they died I threw it out. Wow, brutal. I took home a box of Betamax tapes and threw out Zulu on VHS. Oh sure, oh you took, oh well. So Levine hires him as a publicity writer. Okay. So now he's in the biz tangentially.

[00:28:27] So he was not studying directing. No, I don't think so. But he liked movies because he's writing about them. Blanket. He probably would have said that. Yeah. Then he meets Roger Corman. Okay. Because he's doing publicity on a Corman movie von Richthofen and Brown. Okay.

[00:28:45] And so Corman's like I like you kid. You know I got Bogdanovich, I got Coppola, I got fucking Scorsese. Like you know he's coming a little later. But like right, come join my stable of nerds who will make movies for me. Right.

[00:29:01] Years later he's going to have James Cameron making models. Exactly. Bill Paxton working as a gripper. Bill Paxton's first appearances in Fighting Mad, right? Or is it Crazy Mama? No this is like a mythical figure. Roger Corman. He's still alive. He's still alive. Yeah, right. He's still alive.

[00:29:18] He's a mythical figure. He several years ago got the honorary Oscar and it was kind of a big deal because his movies are not considered particularly good. But like the fruits of his tree, you know.

[00:29:31] That was the argument was like look at the amount of Academy Award winners who made their first film for Roger Corman. Because he was like. Ron Howard, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Temmie, James Cameron. Like people where Roger Corman was like I don't know make a thing.

[00:29:47] I think it wouldn't be more like and people are experts on this sort of cinema decor. Like he'd be like look it's got to be a motorcycle movie. Right. There needs to be tits. Yeah.

[00:29:57] And there has to be like a scene where a guy is thrown off an apple tree. Like he had some specific demands that he just was like this is what the people like right now. But then he'd be like do whatever else. I don't give a shit.

[00:30:07] You know, do what you want. You know. It'll be weird. That's fine. You know the guy Mike Starr plays in Ed Wood when he goes in he's like trying to pitch him on like this project means so much to me. I've been wearing this dress.

[00:30:17] He's like I got the poster up. It's just got to have these three things. It's pre-sold in Alabama. Right. Roger Corman is interesting because he's that kind of like schlockmeister except not cynical. So first of all what's funny about him is he's super square.

[00:30:34] He's just like this kind of like a vuncular old man who's like well the kids like this. Chill like Western dude. Right. Very much like a normal guy. Right. He's not like some twisted master of BDSM. Right.

[00:30:45] You never hear any stories about him being like a fucking like you know. He got like an engineering degree at Stanford. He's like he was like these kids like the movies I should try making some. They made TV shows. Right. Right.

[00:30:57] But there was no like oh he was like a domineering asshole. There was nothing like salacious or you know anything about him. Lot of love. Lot of love for him. Lot of love which makes him this interesting figure and he like knew like I'm not

[00:31:09] trying to make art. I'm trying to make movies. But I think he had this generosity of spirit of the thing I can really provide is I'm selling sort of pre-selling the idea of like Fighting Mad comes out of Walking Tall

[00:31:23] and Billy Jack and these sorts of like rural Americans taking back what's there's like one man with one weapon standing up to the system kind of movies. So he was able to go and go like look here's what you need. It needs to be a kid in it.

[00:31:37] You need to pick an iconic weapon. And he'll stand up against something like we'll give you the three and I'll give you 40 grand and everything else is up to you. And he's also very famous. It was like chopped. Yeah.

[00:31:47] Well because a big part of it was I forget what movie it was like that show on Food Network where we got it. We got it. They give like three random ingredients. His griffin sister was on chopped. Yeah. Retired Romali. Yeah. Remember her sucking on his pen.

[00:32:05] Shut up. The pen pens out. But he would literally do that to where they were like filming a movie in a castle and like Francis Ford Coppola was doing like additional dialogue. And he's like Francis you know we have three extra days on this castle.

[00:32:18] We're going to wrap in time. If you can write something in the next 24 hours I'll give you those three extra days and you can direct whatever you want. And that's Francis Ford Coppola's first movie. There's this cool kind of like resourcefulness in that sense.

[00:32:33] I mean sometimes it's like here are the three elements I need to sell the movie and sometimes it's here's stuff I have leftover. Here's an actor I have under contract. Here's a location I have. We built this monster for this thing whatever it is.

[00:32:44] And that's the other thing that's interesting about him is he crosses over through a lot of different genres. They're all quote unquote genre movies but he's not a guy where it was like I just make horror pictures. No, not at all.

[00:32:57] And he would sort of follow the trends and he was very big in sort of like pushing the counterculture to the center of the culture. One of the movies he directed is this movie called The Trip that's like the first movie about an asset trip

[00:33:11] which was Peter Fond this big breakout. And it was co-written by Jack Nicholson because Jack Nicholson's another career that doesn't happen if not for Roger Corman. Let me give you the Corman slight Corman, you know right. He starts out he does independent stuff right. Yeah.

[00:33:29] He does machine gun Kelly does right like AIP I think that was his first. Then he does like low budget movies he's making. Yeah. He does like horror movies. Sometimes he's directing them, sometimes he's producing them. Right.

[00:33:41] A lot of horror movies he did a lot of Poe, Egg around Poe adaptations. A lot of Vincent Price. Then he was sort of get like down on their luck sort of like past glory you know

[00:33:51] I think he did some Bell Lagozie movies and Carl off movies and all of that yeah. Then he did like an he had an actual he worked at Columbia he had an actual contract there he made The Wild Angels with Peter Fondo

[00:34:01] which is pretty famous movie he directed that. You know then after a while he's sick of that he goes back to indie stuff. That's what's kind of cool is he gets his chance of there like you've proven yourself

[00:34:10] and he works in the studio system he's like this is stupid I'm gonna go back to doing things my way. Right. And then he starts New World Pictures which distributed all these demi movies and many other movies. Yeah.

[00:34:20] And also like distributed like cries and whispers or you know some other like I feel like you know Amor Corde Right. Like foreign films in the 70s he buy them for cheap. Yes. He distribute them make some money when an Oscar like you want a lot of Oscars

[00:34:36] like not personally but his company. Yeah. Right sometimes something crazy thing a little more you know legitimate and would end up with a wire release a lot of times he was designing them as when they're literally used to be B movies.

[00:34:50] You know it was like the theater is selling a double feature and the main attraction is the first one and just give me a B movie to fill out the bill. Right. And he could deliver those.

[00:34:59] And I feel like just as time goes on like his world you know the space for his kind of movies just gets narrower and narrower. Home video kind of kills him or at least his model of doing things and then he sort of becomes a home video guy.

[00:35:12] Yeah he did like. The movies aren't the same. And he did like TV movies for like the sci-fi channel. That's the thing. Then it starts to become like he's doing like Megalodon versus you know giant mecha octopus or whatever those films are.

[00:35:22] Now he's luminary right like you know you could get Roger Corman to come to your film festival. Right. Julie too Julie Corman who produced Crazy Mama. Yes. And yeah and of course like you say all these directors owe their careers to him. Yeah.

[00:35:37] He's got an honorary like he's a legend. There's the story that's really nice where Ron Howard like you know has been acting for like 15 years and he's 19 years old right. And he's like the star of Happy Days or maybe this is

[00:35:49] right after Happy Days finishes but he really wants to direct and he goes to film school while he's like a TV star and gets a degree in directing and no one will hire him to direct because they're like you're fucking opi you're Richie Cunningham right.

[00:36:02] I'm not going to hire you direct something. Right. And he went in with like his earnest projects and pitched to Corman who is like the last stop and Corman was like well that's not the kind of movie I make but I'll tell you something.

[00:36:15] We did some tests recently and the title Grand Theft Auto is very popular as an idea. Just the very title. Right. So he was like if you can make me a picture in 10 days called Grand Theft Auto I will give you you know $300,000.

[00:36:35] You could do anything you want and the sweet story is that Ron Howard says that Roger Corman came up to and he was like you're doing really good and he's like wow and he's like you're doing so well that

[00:36:45] I think you'll never have to make a movie for me ever again. Sure. Graduating from Roger Corman is sort of a good thing. Right. And Howard was a guy who was sort of like there immediately. Demi's an interesting figure because especially because I guess

[00:36:58] it makes a lot of sense now Demi didn't have a film production background. You see these three movies as like experimentation. You know this isn't a guy who's like ready to make a feature this is a guy who's like trying out a lot of different ideas.

[00:37:13] But that is I think the main thing that is compelling about Demi as a filmmaker is Demi always felt weirdly kind of experimental for someone who became a very mainstream filmmaker and ended up sort of being like weirdly an Oscar Bady filmmaker

[00:37:34] because his films have this like very playful sense of like why not do this? You could do this. There's no reason a movie can't do this. You know in terms of the ways he vacillates between tones or genres within a single movie between visual styles you know

[00:37:54] or narrative structures or any of those things. Sure. And these three movies each feel like they contain like slices of the things he's interested in. But we've yet to get the one that sort of unified as feeling like what a Demi movie ends up being.

[00:38:09] Is that fair to say? Yes. Cool. I think so. Well we can talk about it. But first before we get to Cage Heat he shot one scene of a sex film called Naughty Wives also known as Secrets of Adored or Salesman. He wrote some scripts.

[00:38:27] Angels is Hard to Con. Is that the one that Coppola wrote on? Not seeing any Coppola mentioned. I don't know. He wrote, you know, Angels is Hard to Con and the Hot Boxer. He wrote some Cormand scripts. Right. Cage Heat he gets to write and direct.

[00:38:45] So that's, my argument would be like Crazy Mama feels less, that one feels harder to get a handle on. Cage Heat and Fighting Mad but Cage Heat is weird. And like that's a movie he made. I agree. What's interesting is...

[00:39:02] Cage Heat was easily my favorite of the three we watched. Crazy Mama. Yes, I would say I think it's my favorite of the three but I also think Crazy Mama is the one that feels the most like a Demi movie.

[00:39:12] Yeah, I just did a long fight with Mama. And I had my theory of what? Crazy Mama. I was really struggling. You have to keep these titles separate. You didn't watch any of these, right, Benny? No. Yeah, great. Yeah, no, yeah, it feels like later movies

[00:39:27] that you're right. Right. He then refined. Right, okay. So let's start on Cage Heat. Let's start on Cage Heat. Cage Heat is like pure experimentation in like a playful way, right? Not like in like a fucking stand-back-age way. But it is here's a tired and true Corbin genre.

[00:39:43] It's women in prison. At some point someone locked on to the idea that you could always get horny men in the 70s to go see women in prison. It's almost on the downswing by the time. Like there's been a lot of them by the time this comes out.

[00:39:59] Right, this is like the end of like a five or six year trend. The hot box. Right. That's a famous one. I've seen that movie. Yeah. Which Demi wrote, there's another really famous one. But it was like someone was standing at a blackboard and they're like...

[00:40:14] I mean it's got its own fucking... Wait a second. If you do a women in prison movie, you can have all the shower scenes in the world and it can get past the censors because it's not sexual.

[00:40:25] Like it was like they'd been like, well before if you had 17 naked women in a movie it had to be an orgy and then it's a porno film. So it's like you can only like figure out this like narrative

[00:40:34] like hack where it's just like, oh you can have dialogue that's progressing the... story quote unquote. That's taking place while everyone is fully naked. And then it becomes this like incredibly valuable subgenre for half a decade. I mean that's like the shower scene, right? The group shower scene.

[00:40:56] Get a bunch of naked bodies but you know it's just... There are no less than six of them in this film. There are a lot of them in this film. There are a lot of them in this movie.

[00:41:04] But also the women in prison film gives you like danger. Yeah. Right? It gives you the criminal element, the crime, the seediness that these B movies usually need to sort of satisfy. There's either you know... You get action. Is there an escape?

[00:41:21] There's like a man that you can rebel against. There's a lot of rebellion elements. It's the 70s people are like fuck the man so there can be like a warden who's evil and you can hate them. Which is the other thing about it.

[00:41:33] These movies are then able to also be like no but look it's like feminist, it's empowering. You know? Sure. Which very often is a very hollow claim. Sure. And this movie feels like he's actually trying to square the circle. Like this movie feels like him being like...

[00:41:48] I know I have to have the nudity. I know I have to have the violence. Right. You've given me like ten things I need to put in this movie that seem antithetical to a guy who is by and large characterized mostly for his sense of humanism. Right?

[00:42:02] That's like Demi's like defining characteristic as a filmmaker. Is like he really cares about people and he's interested in people. And here's a movie in which he's like trying his hardest not to reduce these women but every five minutes someone needs to show their breasts.

[00:42:23] And you know it's like the tension between that makes the movie kind of interesting but there are also just things in the movie that are so fucking strange. It's a weird movie. Really weird. Although it is as you say to describe it seems pretty normal.

[00:42:44] There's some women in prison. Right. There's some sort of interstinine warfare between the women. You enter in with like one prisoner the movie starts with her getting caught. Her getting caught, her you know her boyfriend and she ends up in jail. She gets caught, she's in jail.

[00:43:00] If you get strip searched and then she meets like her fellow prisoners, her punk mate the mean lady who sort of is a bully like and steals her smokes. The sort of innocent sweetheart one's a bank robber one a manslaughter and self defense right?

[00:43:18] One of them gets thrown in the solitary community thrown in the freaking slammer thinking that sucks. Right. Hole. In the hole. Right. In the shoe. And there is like you know the evil doctor. Well yeah okay this is what it starts I mean this also feels

[00:43:38] yes very exploitation movie right there's the. But I don't want to talk about the levels of the evil doctor yet I want to describe it as if it were normal movie. Sure he's an evil doctor and he like experiments on them while they're naked as well.

[00:43:53] They need to get out of this prison because this guy's up to no good he's going to come for them all right. The doctor. Yes they just got to escape. What makes the movie weird is in a film that's like 78 minutes. Yeah sure.

[00:44:07] Right there's a lot of just hangout time with the women in prison where it feels like there is no tension whatsoever. There's a lot of hangout time. Yeah there's multiple dream sequences that are barely relevant. I mean it's like a fantasy of her

[00:44:23] old boyfriend or a fantasy of escaping or being attacked or what what you guys say are very well shot I mean he does this sort of like this is why I like this the most right it's visually the most interesting has a score by John

[00:44:37] Kale of the velvet underground cool by the way get this going I mean the mouth organ is half the score on all these movies which is such a classic like exploitation Corman movie the other half. Like at a pretty steady clip like keep on like hitting it.

[00:44:54] Yeah I mean that's what all them sound like. Either that or a harmonica right right like that's the score yeah and so I'm like oh yeah it was just some rando it's like no it's John Kale yeah like a couple years removed from I don't know

[00:45:09] like white like white heat or whatever yeah and this movie has a level of like a visual interest that it doesn't need to have even just down to like the art direction like the jail is painted with pretty striking colors the clothing choices I mean they all

[00:45:31] just wear their own clothes essentially like no prison uniforms in this movie so it's like very bright and colorful for a prison film which tend to be very monotonous it's like concrete jumpsuits this is a film where like the walls are kind of like a periwinkle

[00:45:49] and everyone's wearing like different like edges of 70s fashion um and the movie is just sort of like okay so now it's just like her acclimating herself to the prison there'll be tension for a scene where the woman tries to like step up to her

[00:46:03] in the jail cell or like in the cafeteria or whatever it is you know on the yard but it's like mostly just like okay this is just like a movie about what every day fantasy 70s movie prison would be like you know

[00:46:17] where all these women are ostensibly dangerous but it doesn't feel like the place is very oppressive but then the people at the top of the food chain come in who are cartoonishly villainous characters there's this evil thought they're not just like the man

[00:46:33] and cause the women in the film the prisoners are like pretty naturalistic and like attitude and their performances pretty good and then there's Ada Brown who plays the bully she's pretty striking who else have we got I think the lead woman is kind of the least interesting

[00:46:49] Erica Gavin I believe it's her name who is in Vixen famous Russ Meyer yeah they're all pretty good rainbow smith I believe it's her name Cheryl Smith an incredible name plays one of the sort of ingenue types I don't know

[00:47:07] they're all fine but then the two higher ups who are like a doctor who is like full mustache torturing like super rubbing his hands together like evil laughing like that extreme pretty much or just like we're gonna have to do some experiments like that kind of like

[00:47:23] he's always smoking a pipe yes he's always got a pipe he's got like a sort of cartoonishly clean like sort of like doctors coat you know and then the warden is played she's called McQueen which is kind of a funny play by Barbara Steele who's like

[00:47:39] you know she's from Black Sunday she's like one of those yellow queens right she's still around she's in 8.5 she's so good in this she was in fucking I'm looking at her career now this is kind of crazy the last movie she was in was Lost River

[00:47:57] the Ryan Gosling movie which I never saw oh his film that he directed that must be him being like that must be some super fandom probably more like Mario Bava's super fan yeah I think she plays the grandmother in that apparently she's in Piranha like she's around

[00:48:13] she's great in this Lost River is very much Ryan Gosling trying to make Mario Bava right it makes sense it's like all the things he likes about weird expressionistic like horror and genre films except no one was committing him to the elements that those movies needed to sell

[00:48:33] it's just the sort of like visual shit weird film I want to see it some people told me it was good I got like booed for an hour at Cannes or whatever but you know whatever yeah I mean look it's the kind of movie

[00:48:47] I wish people made more often even if it's not great I like Gosling I'm pro him he's good I think a lot of people view the movie as being very affected by the hot and cool guy you know Drive-Era Gosling has been like oh no thank you

[00:49:09] I don't want to ever talk to the press again I'll make movies sometimes goodbye he hasn't really ever tried to be cool again but here's what I love I also love that it doesn't feel like he's doing the thing we sometimes complain about with the caprio

[00:49:23] where it's like I need to fight against this as much as possible no he makes movies cause if it's a good part or a good role and a good project or whatever it's a character that has a Brooklyn accent well I was gonna say he'll still be like

[00:49:37] yeah if I don't play the hot guy you know like he's not like totally adverse to playing the hot guy he's hot he's so fucking the hot anyway why are we talking about Ryan Gosling he lost River Barber Steel she's very goodness and she plays what seems like

[00:49:53] when she's introduced would be like a very one dimensional like oh it's like the scary headmistress as prison warden and she's got like little owl glasses and like a very tight bond and wears like you know very sharp jackets and everything but her character is kind of like

[00:50:09] wracked with introspection and like doubt about what she's doing this is kind of a crazy movie it's pretty nuts cause like what happens in the movie just to summarize cause we have three movies to talk about anyway that's the first 30 minutes then the experimentation starts

[00:50:23] and this bad doctor starts using a ton of electroshock there yeah bad doctor does bad things so they break out successfully but they leave one behind right because the threat is what he wants to do is he promises he will get prisoners out on good behavior early

[00:50:43] he'll get them the pardon or the early release if they allow him to perform experimental which is all of him trying to like test the limits of their why am I struggling for the word now he wants to sexually take advantage of them he wants to make them

[00:51:03] submissive not by choice and then it's like but you have no other options so he's like shocking these women until they're like anything to get me out of here and he's like I can cut a part of your brain out and they're like I guess so no good

[00:51:15] very bad don't do it I was thinking they're doing that no no oh okay alright sorry wait I need to just cancel so yes they've already successfully escaped at this point and they start getting the reports from the prison cell right because they just

[00:51:31] escape because they're like this electroshock therapy shits bad yeah they escape but right you guys ever been on the lamb have I ever been on the lamb no I know having ever been on the lamb seems like a stressful situation I've been on a horse

[00:51:45] lamb is pretty hard to ride yeah they don't really move around that much they're really gallop so they escape and then they're like look the escape part is the least interesting part they spent like 15 minutes just going like we should probably do more crimes right

[00:52:01] that's the thing we're good at and they go and meet up with one of their friends who had gotten out months earlier and she's now working at like a brothel where the service is the women wrestle the men it's like underwear wrestling

[00:52:17] and some of this stuff just sort of I mean there's like multiple fights in the shower it does feel like it's sort of like just required and we jump to my favorite sequence which we'll get to in a second we'll go back to it

[00:52:29] well I just wanted to tell about the wrestling thing but they go into the wrestling place to meet their friend and they just are like this fucking loser we're here to see our friends get out of here and then it turns out the guy is a cop

[00:52:41] and they're like look we're like we just got out of prison we're hot we need to figure out where to go we need to lay low and this guy's like fuck you I'm a cop here's my badge and they're like okay I guess we're gonna shoot this cop

[00:52:55] and they take out a gun there's like a 30 second transition between them being like hey you need to help us we're trying to make an honest lives for ourselves to them being like we're gonna be cop killers we're gonna shoot this cop and leave this whorehouse

[00:53:09] this naked wrestling place and just get out of here my favorite sequence is when their friend is in solitary confinement the one the sort of like nicest most innocent of the group who is the one who is gonna be lobotomized right yeah she

[00:53:27] starts timing out how long their shower break is she counts she's like one one thousand two one right to figure out the exact time they have between when they're brought to the showers and when they're brought out and then she realizes

[00:53:39] that in the bathroom one of the stalls there's a vent which she can unscrew and go through that leads to the opening above solitary confinement so there's this great sequence where you see her counting over and over again the movie

[00:53:51] and you're like what is this and then finally like the fourth time she takes a bunch of food sneaks it from like the cafeteria and then goes through the vent counting second by second knowing how much time she has drops the food down the vent including the

[00:54:07] grossest thing I ever seen in a movie she drops an egg it's funny you know like eggs because the egg immediately cracks and then her friend is like with my hands off the floor and then she just starts eating

[00:54:19] egg with her hand and then she has to like go back in time and the second time she tries to do it she's off on her timing she gets caught and that's when they put her in solitary and she gets stuck between a rock and hard place

[00:54:33] with the electroshocks and the potential lobotomy so that's when they get the call hey things are going real bad rescue her doctors gotten even worse so they rescue her they rescue her successfully and the movie ends they rescue her there's a big shootout

[00:54:49] the shootout kills the bad guys like one by one it kills the doctor and then Barbara Steele gets shot to death and then they escape the end it's one of those movies where they're like okay I think the coast is clear like they're doing the shootout

[00:55:05] right they shoot the final bad guy and they're like okay good they get in the car the movie ends like as they're like closing the door to the car the credits start yeah that's weird that's closure and like apparently Corman hated

[00:55:19] he hated it in Crazy Mama they also get away with it like at the end of Crazy Mama they're just like now we run a business and he was like what is this I love that right so I mean that is clearly Demi kind of being

[00:55:31] like doing his own thing I don't know why does it have to end with crime paying what if they just got away with it right that's weird right like there's no atonement and there's no sort of punishment atonement because they're I mean like yeah what do they do

[00:55:45] they committed some okay right committed some crimes yeah they did a few murders yeah I suppose that's bad right but like the prison guys are bad too yes I don't know yeah it's not a moralist it's fucked up system roll the credit yeah everything's

[00:55:59] bad I like to though I like all the dream sequences also the talent show sequence is incredible bizarre there's this talent show sequence where they do a talent show seemingly like in the bathroom so like all the stalls of the bathroom are like spray painted

[00:56:13] and it looks like like some like 90s like New York off-off Broadway show and they're dressed up in drag doing like vaudeville routines it's great I forget all the graffiti they have on the stall doors but there's like funny shit because then

[00:56:35] crazy mama also kind of repeats that with the Burma Shave signs that you keep on seeing right and putting in these sort of like non sequitur text jokes visually right so that's cage cheat that's cage heat and he is going to make his next film fighting

[00:56:53] mad which is as you know she's written a he wrote cage cheat he wrote fightin mad he's getting ready to make that right and I just want to point out the fighting mad Wikipedia just has like one paragraph which is in making the film Drew Subrager-Corman analyzed

[00:57:11] three other recent low budget rural action thrillers that have been big hits Billy Jack, Walkin Tall Dirty Mary Crazy Larry he deduced that they had three things in common a hero with an offbeat sidekick an unusual mode of transport an interesting weapon this is why

[00:57:27] the Peter Fonda character travels on an old motorcycle with his toddler son and uses a crossbow that last sentence goes so and you know that when I spooled it up I was like he's going to have a crossbow he only has a crossbow in the last 10 minutes

[00:57:41] but you see him doing some archery training we've got the idea of the arrows he's an archer David and he has a son but he doesn't get to make this movie next because what's happening Big Bad Mama is that the title of the film? Big Bad Mama

[00:57:57] 1974 Corman Joint Big Hit and they're like we need some of this Big Hit big cast you know who's in that? Angie Dickinson huge William Shatner Post-Star Trek Wow Tom Scarrett the legend by the way yeah when Scarrett that I just been watching I had never this point

[00:58:19] brothers and sisters you gotta think of an obscurity you watching that pick a fence other than random episodes I had stayed away from the post Diane years of Cheers because I was such a Diane loyalist and I'm not a huge Kirstie Alley fan

[00:58:37] I was like I don't want to watch the Rebecca years you're fucked up when even she's great on the Cheers I finished Seinfeld and I was like fuck it I'm going to watch the Rebecca years I'm still not crazy about the character I'm only in her first season

[00:58:49] she's really herself I guess she's made some bad movies I think Shelley Long is awesome on Cheers But yeah but it doesn't have to be a competition It's not a competition but I maybe the character makes more sense later as of now I'm not impressed

[00:59:03] but I think she was kind of crucial for the show though needed a reset I'm in the transition so let's see Tom Scarrett is in the entire season he's in like 6 episodes He shows up like 6 or 7 episodes Drake her boss he's fucking good on the show

[00:59:19] He's never back Scarrett is never back Steadyhand I fucking love it I mean I like recently rewatched Top Gun because the trailer for Top Gun your favorite movie 2019 I watched it with you the first time it came out and you went like I don't know

[00:59:39] and then you have now watched it 4 times a minute I came back and I was like guys I keep watching it I can't stop watching I was like this is kind of incredibly impressive movie even though it's also sort of total bullshit

[00:59:51] It's like half-horship and then it's also so insanely well made It's sort of the Tony Scott story I guess but Scarrett amazing in it So fucking good And Anthony Edwards is incredible Everyone always says Well that's just like Tom Cruise hitting his apex moment The movie

[01:00:11] That movie would have grossed half as much as it did without Anthony Edwards The effectiveness of that performance and what he contributes to the movie because he's the only emotionally sincere element in the film His the only person who's not a fucking psycho

[01:00:27] Everyone else in the movie is a sociopath But the secret of Top Gun is that it was not a huge box office hit it was a solid box office hit but then it was when it was released on VHS they priced it at $8 rather than like 40

[01:00:41] $3.00 VHS cost and everyone on earth bought it on VHS My friend it was a huge box office success I understand it was also a big VHS success It was a huge box office success Yeah look it up

[01:00:53] Can we look it up right now feel for your talk about anything else you want I'm giving you 45 seconds of runway No pun intended Yep, yeah it was pretty big Why did I think it made half this It's 184 170 something It made half that because you're very wrong

[01:01:11] and I knew what I was talking about What am I confusing it with Risky business Risky business I think did like 50 Did you say bottom? Bottom Arrow Oh he's trying to do the inverse Oh Jesus It really took me as a...

[01:01:29] Bottom arrow was the first place you went Ben is resting his head against the microphone in a way that I can call a man quits I was 100% confusing it with Risky business Popgun was the number two phone that's here But that VHS fact is also so much fun

[01:01:49] And then it also just blew up after Everyone owns it on DHS We owned it, did you own it? My family had so few VHSs I'm a very patriotic family No, Jules and Jim That's a good movie Animal House Not keeping it all in First Toy Story

[01:02:09] First Two Muppet Movies Space Jam Mary Poppins Those are the VHSs I remember as having For how much of an insane physical media horder I became later You didn't have like all Disney movies? I had like all the white clamshells Yeah, I cannot think

[01:02:29] And maybe I'm wrong here I cannot think of a traditional Disney animated film that we had We had the clamshells for the first two Muppet Movies when Disney released them We definitely had Mary Poppins, I watched that all the time We must have had Wizard of Oz

[01:02:41] I can't think though of anything beyond that and I feel like my parents each owned one VHS And then Austin Powers was kind of like that was sort of Yeah I think we had three copies of Austin Powers A lot of copies Crazy Mama

[01:03:01] I was trying to find a Chorus Speechman pivot here but we couldn't find one But Crazy Mama Chorus Speechman, four years after she has won an Academy Award Oscar She won an Oscar I think it's just like two years It's right after When's the last picture? 71

[01:03:23] It is that thing like Ben have you seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yet? I have not So the thing the movie gets at I think it's interesting Certainly this time period I think it's the thing the movie evokes the best

[01:03:37] was the panic of all these people trying to figure out how to hold on to their power as a movie star Not just an actor not a TV star but the Holy Grail is to be a movie star To star in pictures

[01:03:53] And that idea of like I would rather star in shitty movies where I get to be the lead Al Pacino's big scene And Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is all about like don't you want to win the fights If you're on TV

[01:04:05] You're playing the bad guy so that they can make some new up and come It's a great scene when Pacino leaves the film By beating someone who used to be a movie star You used to be famous, you get beaten up on screen

[01:04:15] and means the other guy's a cool guy And they're like but you're on big shows But they never keep you They pay you well But you're the bad guy Wouldn't you rather go to Italy Like four westerns for shitty money Where you get to win the fights

[01:04:31] And the whole movie is him being like God that seems a little rent I like the idea of being a Hollywood guy Uh, Klor Sleachman I don't think had the same kind of ego But it is the same kind of thing of like Okay here's a character actress

[01:04:45] Who won an Academy Award A very very warranted Academy Award For an incredible unshowy performance Her only in the last picture show Made by Corman Devotee Peter Bogdanovich Which she's phenomenal in But you're right, it's not like a movie Where she cries and screams in the middle

[01:05:03] And you're like oh my god what a powerhouse performance She plays a lady Who's a little older and a little sad That is a movie I watch about once every 18 months I think it's about as perfect as things get It's a great movie

[01:05:15] But I remember the first time I saw it when I was in high school I was like she's the one who won for this Right because like Sibyl Shepard is so like big Ellen Burstyn is like unbelievable Eileen Brennan she told me to try silence

[01:05:25] I mean like every There's so many loud performances It's Jeff Bridges like emerging As a fully formed movie star Right and the Chloris Leachman performance Like I didn't get when I was 15 Because it's really quiet And I had not experienced The depths of loneliness and sadness

[01:05:43] That that performance is evoking It is still though just a great Oscar win Oh an amazing Oscar win You know she's also the record holder for Emmys For wins nominations Or boths really Tied with she has 8 Fuck 8 Okay but all spread out Right like some guest stars

[01:06:03] Did she win a bunch of times for Mary Tyler Moore She won at least like twice for Mary Tyler Moore She won for a performance On the share show She won for a performance at the screen actress Guild 50th anniversary

[01:06:15] You know like she won for Malcolm in the middle A couple of times you know yeah like spread out Screen actress Guild 50th Yeah she did like I don't know she probably came out and sang Malcolm in the middle she was really good

[01:06:25] And Raising Hope which I think Incredible on Raising Hope Jynx you owe me a Raspberry coffee Of course you can keep it When Mary Tyler Moore starts 69 Sure No because I'm interested in the Chloris Leachman timeline Where it's like okay But she's already been on Mary Tyler Moore

[01:06:45] For a year Oh she comes On post Oscar win Yeah she's the later like right She's not Jesus now we have to delve into Mary Tyler Moore's My point here is Chloris Leachman Has already won an Oscar right She's on a massive sitcom But the appeal

[01:07:03] Of you get to be the star of a movie You know is pretty I think hard to pass up So her appearing in a Cormie movie which in certain ways Feels beneath her and another way Like the studios are never going to give her that shot

[01:07:17] You know last picture I didn't make her a leading lady Still haven't guessed that other record Okay other record holder male Female it's another Female eight acting Still alive Very much so More alive than ever More alive than ever It's weirdly a clue No she's very old

[01:07:41] It's weirdly a Clue yeah I didn't mean it to me but it is More alive than ever did she have a near death experience Correct She did Sort of Recently Yes Ben do you see who it is No he doesn't know Would he know the near death experience

[01:08:05] Like is it a big enough story that Ben would know It was in the news I think so But when I say near death experience I don't mean like she almost like drove her car off the bridge Like she had a public battle with Death

[01:08:17] In illness? Oh is it Julia Louis Dreyfus We stay in a legend Who I believe has I think it's Four for Veep, three for Seinfeld and then that sneaky one for old Christine They just made such a sneaky fit

[01:08:33] I always get so annoyed when people are like Julia Louis Dreyfus, legend starts her career At SNL then there's Seinfeld And then Veep is amazing She did five seasons of a fucking fantastic Network sitcom that like no one remembers She hit 100 episodes and won an Emmy

[01:08:47] And like Wanda Sykes and Clark Gregg Hamish Linklater all these funny people are on it It was great And it also came out of like everyone being like It was fucking Seinfeld For that one she was like fuck the Seinfeld curse Like that was still a concept

[01:09:01] And now like everyone's doing fine She's doing fine, Seinfeld's doing fine Jason Alexander's Nickelback videos Oh should I stop talking Michael Richards Michael Richards he's uh oh Has his health at least Footage not found Alex Friar who's a great A comedian After caga

[01:09:25] He tweeted recently and I had just completed My Seinfeld rewatch and he was like I wonder all the time What Michael Richards does on a day to Day basis And I have the same thought Watching those episodes I was like It must be

[01:09:41] Weird because he has pretty much Not even attempted to come back And as we've seen in recent years Like most of the cancelled men Take like Four to six hours before they like go like I'm ready I'm back After being publicly assassinated I'm on my comeback tour

[01:10:01] Or after publicly assassinating someone else I took a time out After a quick five I'm ready to start In movies again But Michael Richards like did one season Of the Kirstie Allys at Com Uh yeah And that arc on Kerb where he plays himself

[01:10:17] And tries to like address The scandal Which I thought was the clunkiest Thing Kerb has ever done Wasn't great And other than that has just like not existed For a decade now He's in that wild episode of comedians and Coffee And Seinfeld trying to rehabilitate him

[01:10:37] And Seinfeld's like just relax It's alright Half that episode scripted Like we gotta go made Josek and Zygall Yeah right Yeah it's sad There's just a moment where Jerry Seinfeld is driving with him And he's freaking out about Richard just freaking out And Jerry Seinfeld just goes like

[01:10:55] He's been raining on the car and he's like We're all just raindrops on a windshield Michael Go away The episode also ends with them leaving Leaving the coffee shop and like people Start like swarming Michael Richards Asking for autograph and then it like cuts

[01:11:11] Like a montage of like People coming up and laughing and taking pictures With him and then it's like Jerry In voiceover going like And I saw how much joy Michael brings To people he really is A bright light in this universe

[01:11:25] He needs to be out here like it's like him Trying to like character witness And parole hearing But even that was like first season of that Show and he just like you know I'm sure he has ungodly amounts of money The check never stops coming in

[01:11:39] But I do wonder Especially because he is one of the guys who seemingly Kind of like took his lumps and was like I don't know maybe I just shouldn't be in the public eye anymore What does he do on a day to day basis

[01:11:49] Is he just like really into fucking pottery now? You know Yeah maybe, I mean he makes a lot of money I'm just curious You can ask him Give him a call By the way Michael Richards will be our guest On the last embrace citizens band episode

[01:12:05] No he won't Nope We said that at the same time Nope I'm just kidding of course our guest is Harvey Weinstein So crazy mama Chloris Leachman gets to do this film Which was supposed to be directed by Oh actually I don't know You don't know this

[01:12:25] Famous indie filmmaker Yeah pretty outro, indie filmmaker Most of the films were never allowed to be released Theatrically Why? Because they were provocative To sexy I'm sure when you say indie This is like a concept that maybe I'm not like She was genuinely indie And sort of like

[01:12:49] Pre-Indie American cinema Being a real thing Like a maverick And she was not indie in the way that like Roger Corman Was indie selling schlock to B theaters She was making like outro Button pushing, provocative Films independently financed That were very well regarded In like artistic communities And

[01:13:13] Would get written up more for controversies Than anything else But what she was doing was more equivalent To like you know in terms of how they were Absorbed And discussed like museum installations Right it's like it's non-narrative It's weird sound Video art

[01:13:31] No I mean although she was making like feature length films I mean her first big breakthrough One of the ones she got nominated for an Oscar for Was about the construction of A building right? I mean it was sort of like

[01:13:43] The way that Andy Warhol was like oh I'm just gonna film the Empire State Building I believe Sky Scrapers That's like a short film Famous I've seen at a museum I believe Dancing the Sun right which is like Crazy dancing and I don't know

[01:13:57] But she made some feature films, she made some narrative films But she was always kind of hitting hot button things And pushing the limits But was someone who was clearly a very skilled filmmaker And Roger Corman was like I'm gonna let you make like a movie

[01:14:09] That will get released in theaters and make money And without any further information I could find they had a disagreement like four weeks before filming started Right And he was ready to do Fight and Mad And he goes like can you take over this movie

[01:14:21] And that's what I think makes this movie Kind of interesting Is because the other two Demi is designing them From the ground up And he's trying to make a way that fulfills what he needs This is a movie he inherited

[01:14:33] And so he directs it with a kind of Sense of abandon Of just like I don't know what's like a fun thing I can do today And the movie's a mess It's weird But there are like 27 ideas per scene Can I ask what's the game of mama

[01:14:47] What's like her deal It's a mother, a grandmother And a daughter The first scene lays out the grandmothers Which is crazy Like Argent story The first scene is like pretty austere and dramatic Which is like the grandmothers husband getting shot down

[01:15:03] Each of these movies kind of have the same setup Yes It's sort of like some quote unquote like rural American right you know In not maybe not so much Man fucking with some poor person Mercilessly shoots down someone In cold blood

[01:15:19] The first one the cops catch him and she goes to jail And they shoot her boyfriend The second one like some people take their land Like evil land owners You're talking about crazy mama Right like they shoot her dad Right Because like they haven't paid the renter

[01:15:35] Because then fight and mad is also land Fight and mad is the same fucking thing But it's like someone losing someone very close Like they're sort of murdered by The man You know so to speak Like the boot of society And all three movies are people

[01:15:51] Sort of reacting and losing their minds a little bit Right In the wake of that But crazy mama sets up that they're sort of like It's almost like a family curse Like all of these women are like DOOMed to continue losing The men they love

[01:16:07] Be they father figures They're like they're romantic partners And then they feel a little sad They feel a little sad Like that's too bad he was a nice guy He was alright to me But the thing that makes the movie Kind of interesting to me

[01:16:23] Is that you have Chorus Leachman Who's this fucking heavyweight Playing the kind of role she doesn't usually get to play You know she's the leading lady She has like sexual agency Which in most movies she's the joke Or the sad sack Like the white type

[01:16:39] I think White kind of ripped her whole fucking thing off To be honest Here's why I think the difference is Betty White kind of plays the innocent Like she doesn't realize what she's saying is provocative Chorus Leachman's like just pure salt

[01:16:51] She was kind of a salty old broad Of course Hits its apex in Spanglish Spanglish In a sag nominated Performance And an ARP winning performance Yes For best performance ever They were like Best performance ever There are these scenes that are clearly written as

[01:17:15] Just sort of like table setting Of just like well that husband left me Or like this man got shot Or her father ran out on whatever And then Chorus Leachman will occasionally Just like stare off into the middle Distance In a way that's not overly dramatic

[01:17:31] But is truly like she's just getting lost In memory Just kind of take stock of the life she's lived While reciting what is pretty boilerplate dialogue But it suddenly is this like emotional Pocket drop thing That you're like this is some combination of either

[01:17:45] Leachman went there and Demi didn't stop her Or Demi saying Hey what if you played the scene real But either way it feels like something That probably kind of affected Demi Of just like wait a second You can just do that

[01:17:59] You can make a movie that's like weird and wild Moments of like completely genuine grounded emotion In it which really sets the tone For like the run of Melvin and Howard something wild married to the mom Because This movie has that same kind of

[01:18:13] Chaotic energy that those three films have Very chaotic, very Manic, pixie but not pixie Manic trash Yeah I guess But also just that it feels like a circus You watch these movies you watch those movies And I love Richard game married because

[01:18:29] I think it's like a mature filmmaker trying to come Back to that vibe A masterpiece but you watch those movies And you go like this movie looks like It was so much fun to make And so often that's the fallacy

[01:18:41] Of like if a movie looks fun it was difficult It was difficult and they were like shoestring And everything was hard and it was hot Right but like these movies You're like this feels like These are the performances that come out of actors

[01:18:53] Who feel very safe and protected Who are having fun with each other Who feel supported by a director The scenes are like weird little Like sentence fragments There's like so little narrative follow through On so many elements of the film that it just feels like

[01:19:07] And being like I don't know why don't we like do a scene like this Like it feels like very like Throw shit at the wall see what happens But the bulk of the movie is You know Matriarch daughter grand matriarch In a car together on a crime spree

[01:19:21] And they just decide like what if we just commit a ton of crimes They kind of just decide to do a crime spree What if we just like steal cars and rob banks And shoot people and like I don't know Let's see how far it can go

[01:19:31] It's sort of escalates it's like They run a beauty parlor After this tragedy is visited upon Their family generation They run a beauty parlor That happens pre credits And then you present day They run a beauty parlor Landlord comes Where's the rent I don't got it

[01:19:53] Yeah, I'm taking you gotta repossess the place You're not paying the rent So they chase the landlord Including the baby daddy Of the youngest The youngest girl is now pregnant She's got this like boyfriend who's all moon-eyed For her

[01:20:09] And it's like here's the cycle repeating because there's like 17 years Between each of the women in this film In terms of age pretty much right So you're like here's the cycle repeating She's got this boyfriend who is literally Ralph Mal from happy days

[01:20:21] Right the dorkiest member of the happy days crew And he's just like He's He's in love with what's her pants And so he's like oh I gotta get married now And she's like I don't fucking marry you And he's like come on what are you doing here

[01:20:35] You're making me look stupid and she's like I'm young I'm trying to have fun So they chase the landlord around They ram his car and shit and then it just Yeah, they're just like you know what We got screwed over by the man Way back when

[01:20:49] We fucked with this guy the cops might be on us anyway Why don't we rob everything We incite so that we can Like take back our original property Yeah, which is like God the fuck knows where Right And go on a crime spree

[01:21:03] That's pretty much the whole concept right The family's curse started at this moment It's not easy to follow this movie but that is sort of the Concept right but like the family's curse Started at the moment that their property was seized And the father was shot right

[01:21:15] So they're like we're justified Like reparations We can do whatever the fuck we want To get back our land Is sort of the idea of the movie Right But along the way the teenage girl meets Like a biker boy who she loves And he ends up joining them

[01:21:33] So both her baby daddy And this biker boyfriend are there And she keeps on oscillating between the two of them I like the biker boyfriend I think he's kind of cute So do you know the story about him Uhhhhhhh no He's the real life son Huh

[01:21:49] He wanted to be an actor This was pretty much his biggest role And 8 years later He died at the age of 30 In a YMCA From an overdose of Ulster medication Which is one of the saddest things I've ever heard That's serious That's a really dire combination of elements

[01:22:07] That's no good It's not like if you took more Ulster gets so painful He had a young daughter from a strange wife And he moved to be closer to them That's why he was staying at the YMCA The whole thing was bleak But he's really good in this

[01:22:23] And it's kind of sad that he never got another part Ryan Englund So apparently the whole thing was He didn't want to He sort of pushed away his mother Because he didn't want to feel like He got success off her back Um

[01:22:39] It's like a really really sad story That's really good in this And this movie has like a 1974 Thrupple Yes it does And it's kind of just how it is She's kind of like that's going to be the vibe Where she's in bed with both of them

[01:22:55] And Ralph Mow is like Right, right, and the other guy's like Whatever But what feels kind of progressive about it Is the movie isn't like siding with Ralph Mow Movies like I don't know Whatever, we're all having fun But then, just as in Caged Heat

[01:23:11] They get away with it Of course Leachman meets Sort of one of her lost loves that got away Yeah played by Stuart Whitman you mean Yes who's excellent in this The landlord who's tracking them down at the beginning of the movie Is

[01:23:25] Dick Miller right? Or no, Dick Miller is in this movie Is the detective at the end Who's the landlord? Is it not Jim Backus? Who is literally Mr. Magood Jim Backus who is the millionaire from The Voice of Mr. McGregor So it's old man Jim Backus going

[01:23:41] Like come back here with my Rang Also apparently John Millius plays a cop He does, very Visibly, he's one of the cops who's like in the shoot out at the end They get away with it They get away with it and then the end of the movie

[01:23:55] There's a whole Vegas sequence We haven't really talked about that where they're gambling That part's fun And they keep saying the slogans Like the lady keeps saying some sort of motto Well the thing that kind of does them in Also what about that lady Bernice in Cage Teat

[01:24:09] I forgot to mention her Which lady is Bernice? Remember in Cage Teat when they stick up the Prison van And she's like Strangely enough she's like hi my name's crazy What's your name and she's like Bernice Great scene Walk me through these crimes

[01:24:27] That's a great thing you can't achieve I want her to stick up a cast station One Of course Leechman runs into this lost love of hers Right And they're like second time This is meant to be let's get hitched By the way I have a wife

[01:24:43] And so like the thing that does them in Is that his wife is like Where the fuck is this guy Trying to track him down so when the cops find him And they're like he married some other lady And now also we've realized

[01:24:55] These are the people who have been like robbing All these things Oh wait Cage Teat Cage Teat is the one That has the scene Where they rob a bank They go into rob a bank And it turns out the bank is already being robbed Right

[01:25:13] And they're like oh fuck And you can hear the sirens coming Right That's when they have to shoot some cops Well no, you hear the sirens coming And they're like fuck we're stuck in here We haven't even committed the crime Someone called the cops on the previous guys

[01:25:29] And the one woman just shoots the bank robbers Right So they all hear the guns And then they just walk out with the money Because the cops show up and think Like well it's these guys who got shot They're the bank robbers There's like a robbery

[01:25:45] The logic of that is It's kind of fun when you see it in the scene It doesn't really make sense, it's a little stinker move But crazy mom, yeah the crimes I mean it's like a lot of like They pretend that the old lady

[01:25:57] The mom is having a heart attack That's a good scam Bring her to the stock room and then they immediately stick Him up, you know I mean it's like a lot of like Environmental but it's like kind of like petty robbery And he's like only have 60 dollars

[01:26:09] And they're like yeah then give us 60 dollars A lot of LSM A little stinker moves A lot of LSMs Let's talk about the last one But of course Leechman has the sounding man Paythos and the end of the film Just all have wigs and change names

[01:26:27] They've dyed their hair I guess And built new identities Right? And they're working on a truck It's like a food truck Yeah they have a little food business They have a little food truck But notably This final moment

[01:26:43] And you assume that this is one of those things where it's just like Well like lack of time, rush shoot What have you This is what he came to but then this becomes one of his signature moves This final sequence Of them working the food truck Is all

[01:26:57] First person POV camera Which then becomes Demi's like signature Like Trump card With Sansa the lambs Of like the characters are looking you Straight in the eye Demi close up So the end of the movie is You know a group shot of all of them looking at you

[01:27:15] And trying to serve you and be like What do you want? How can we help you I do love that thing about watching Like weird genre movies like this Where like it makes you think about movies So much when you watch films That didn't have the time

[01:27:29] Have you seen Boxcar Bertha? Yeah I mean that's another one Right but when you're like oh I'm really thinking about movies Because this is a movie that didn't have the time to get all the pieces They needed to make this movie Anyway the third film is called

[01:27:41] Fight and Mad You just watched this I just watched this I had trouble getting it That's uh not available on streaming platforms At all Right As far as I can tell You found a torrent and the file wasn't working for me

[01:27:55] And I finally got to work at the last possible minute Yeah I was watching hustlers getting Texts from Griffin Oh how was it? Hustlers which by this point is out And has had you know success or not success I think he'll be so lucky

[01:28:08] I think if J.Lo doesn't get an Oscar nomination Somebody fucked up genuinely I'll say this I saw the trailer the other day And I was like wait a second I got an Oscar nomination this year And I got so excited Pretty easy

[01:28:19] The prospect that I didn't even want to put it out into the world You think it's like a slam dunk It should be I think that she's at a point in her career Where it seems like you could sort of make the kind of argument

[01:28:28] Of like hey J.Lo's never been Oscar nominated She's enduring She's been in great movies She's been bad movie sure but you know And it's just one of those movies When she's not in the movie You're kind of like What's J.Lo doing though

[01:28:41] Like can we get back to her Like what's up with J.Lo J.Lo was pretty cool right She's kind of back in like a fucking out of sight mode She's no She's in that pocket No it's very she's playing a bomb ass stripper

[01:28:53] Who does crimes like you know And is kind of like the den You know the hen mother Whatever right like of this sort of Stripper cadre I have not seen the film You have You said if she doesn't get it Someone fucked up

[01:29:06] It's STX which has had zero success With Oscar campaigns But my fear is that it will probably be Like a McConaughey magic mic thing Yeah Where everyone's like How the fuck did they not nominate her for that But it gives her like Three good new roles to play

[01:29:22] And then one of them ends up being the Maybe Jennifer Lopez Supporting actress might be I don't know we'll see We'll see we'll see Do you support her lead Oh it's supporting 100% Okay cool Constance is the lead And she's fine Anyway I was watching this

[01:29:34] And I was like Is there any way to make this type of movie today And not make it feel like some sort of piece Of a sociopolitical aggro prop And I don't think you can Um but like you say This is also art

[01:29:46] Can art not be political right now No it can't All art is political That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's You can't All art is political All art has always been political Art that tries to be apolitical Is being political by choosing

[01:29:59] To ignore the realities of the world we live in Sure It is the thing that drives me crazy Especially when it comes to The subject of the franchise That's the people act like Are now being taken over By like fucking agendas

[01:30:11] When like Marvel was based around civil rights Like Stan Lee was like the biggest fucking Social justice warrior in the world And stores about fascism Alright alright alright enough we've talked about this Cut it out cut it out Cut it out cut it out

[01:30:25] No no no cut that all out It's bad it's bad It's a fucking bad I hate the world is bad It's bad it's bad Shut up Keep it in and triple God that was awful Okay so Fighting Mad Is about a rural man

[01:30:38] Who's been living that city life with his toddler Okay He's played by Peter Fonda Peter Fonda the recently passed Less recently passed by the time this episode comes out Who had been in Corman's famous movie The Wild Angels Where he's like we want to get loaded

[01:30:52] And we want to have a good time You know like it's great And Peter Fonda's career arc is kind of fascinating Because he's the son of Easy writer One of the great movie stars ever Correct And one of those guys where it's like

[01:31:02] Man the shadow of his dad looms So fucking large Right but then in the 60s almost as a result And because of the movies he makes He becomes like a counterculture leading man Right he does his run of like trying to His dad was such a square jaw

[01:31:14] Golden age leading man The ultimate sort of like And Peter Fonda becomes the like Yeah hippy leading man But that's the thing he does Like four or five years as a young actor Of like appearing on TV shows and movies

[01:31:25] Playing like the types of roles his father played And it doesn't really connect And meanwhile in his personal life He's like doing acid And like riding a motorcycle And people are like What's up with this scoundrel Fonda You see Fonda's kid

[01:31:40] He grew his hair out another half inch It's past the top of his ears now And he kind of changes everything By choosing to embrace it Rather than succumb And be like not only am I Gonna not stop doing this shit in my personal life

[01:31:58] I'm gonna start making movies about it And Corman's the first guy Who's kind of responsive to it Because he recognizes that There is a cultural shift happening A cultural shift that Corman's not keyed into at all In a way that he can relate

[01:32:11] But he understands that Fonda has this energy Of a generation that's about to take over And so right He gets big because whatever That first film I'm forgetting the name now The one you just said The Wild Angels Yes, they catch George Chakras

[01:32:27] Peter Fonda was supposed to be a secondary character And then they realized That's like a Hell's Angel movie Exactly They realized that Chakras could not write a bike And Fonda could So they were like cool We don't have time to teach you to ride a bike

[01:32:39] Chakras, you're fired Despite being an Academy Award winner Fonda's kid, you're the lead of the movie now And then Fonda was in Easy Rider The Trip Yeah, I mean, you know Dirty Mary Crazy Larry Open Season He inspires the line I know what it's like to be dead

[01:32:56] Sure he gave the Beatles ass in That was a thing that Peter Fonda said to Paul McCartney While tripping Because he'd had a near-death experience as a child I think he had like a heart attack or something Some heart thing Anyway, it doesn't matter I will say

[01:33:10] You're talking about politics But this movie is kind of just a pastiche Because it is just like Corman watching Billy Jack And being like yeah let's do a Billy Jack It's one of these So it's not really very political Except for that rich people are bad

[01:33:22] Which I mean is true in like a lot of exploitation movies Rich people, the man It's like the kind of almost classic conflict Yeah, it's either cops or it's like guys in suits Who are like we love money and you're like But that's the other weird thing

[01:33:35] It's a corporation in the way that we see it No, no, no, it's tycoons It's tycoons, you know It's land barons Yes Right, so there's that thing Which makes it kind of apolitical And the other thing is All of the rural characters in this movie

[01:33:48] Would probably be written off as liberal elites now Yeah, right You know despite the fact that they're like Living on a farm In Arkansas Fonda's got glasses And he's like, well you know I did my years of city living And I'm just moving back here now

[01:34:00] Right, this is like the most square of his performances From this time period Where every other movie he's playing Like some kind of radical hippie And this one he's like a dude in Oxford shirt I kind of like that about this stuff I do too

[01:34:12] It's sort of like right Like what if like the most chill fucking hippie guy In the world was pushed too far He's almost, it's almost a very Like a much smaller scale kind of Hoffman Straw Dogs kind of thing

[01:34:24] Or it's like Uli's gold but Uli picks up a bow and arrow Right, he looks like Uli in this way He's like the adventurers of young Uli Uli's gold origins Yeah Uli's silver But yeah, yeah And it's like The people in the town aren't depicted as stereotypes

[01:34:41] Because John Thademy has no interest in doing that The land people are incredibly ephemeral They're not very nice No But yes They want to develop They're trying to kick people off their land And if they won't sell They will send in their thugs to suicide them

[01:34:59] Yeah, and they kill Scott Glenn and Who's his brother He's just gone back home Reconnected with his father Right And yes They suicide Scott Glenn and his wife They enter the home while they're making love They attack them She tries to fight back

[01:35:16] By burning one of the thugs faces An iron An iron Which he just sports for the rest of the movie A giant iron mark on his face Pretty rad Kind of cool But then they like bind them and knock them out And put them in a car

[01:35:31] And drive the car off a cliff Yeah And Peter Fonda's like My brother and He totally did not kill himself Or have a car accident And they were like I don't know what you're talking about That looks pretty case closed to me And he was like

[01:35:48] I went to his house The iron was on Like she was like cooking dinner Why were they in the middle of that Leave and go drunk driving as you claim And he's like I don't know but they did And he's like Well, my sister-in-law was allergic to alcohol

[01:36:00] And the guy's like Well, malarkey And Peter Fonda realizes Oh, nothing's gonna get done about this And not only that This guy's gonna circle in He's gonna go after every remaining plot of land Including what my father owned And I just got away from big city living

[01:36:14] Because I thought I wanted to be where the air is pure And the grass is green But in fact This whole country's rotten So he kills him with a bone arrow Yeah, that's pretty much the bone arrow That's kinda it

[01:36:26] The problem is the back half is just not I was expecting a long rampage And it takes four It takes forever And it gets to a movie that's like 88 minutes long Stakes out of the house And it's like a lot of the movie

[01:36:37] Is just him trying to like load the arrow And then like When he finally wails on him And arrows them Yeah Yeah, that's pretty cool And they have that cool like house That they're in with like a pool Right Fuck those guys I'm glad they got arrowed

[01:36:51] He gets hurt pretty badly And you're like Oh man, is he gonna die? And then the movie just Comes forward The movie entered him being loaded into an ambulance And right, yeah Right, but then it just flashes forward To him walking through the field

[01:37:02] With this on the credits roll And it's like Oh, I guess it got better They're all kind of the same vibe Got his land back Yeah They're all the same vibe But they're I'm kinda glad we made him put them together Because he got there So fighting Mad

[01:37:14] He's mad And he's Not gonna stand for it anymore So he'll fight back He's not fighting calmly You know what I'm saying? He's fighting Mad So this is the beginning of our Demi-mini series Yes, I like files and paperwork He's an interesting director

[01:37:29] We're gonna go all over the map With this fucking guy We're gonna have all kinds of actors To talk about All kinds of genres All kinds of eras in Hollywood He's done everything Yeah Except for I guess like You know, a fucking Marvel movie But like, you know

[01:37:42] He did everything Yeah He really did I get me I guess he never made like A balls-to-wall action movie That's about it There's a little bit of him Like the Ang Lee thing Where like, all of his films feel Either personal Or very much marked by his

[01:37:59] You know, specific You know, sort of Technical flourishes And stylistic signatures And all of that But he was a guy Where you look at this filmography And you're like, this feels Like a guy who could have worked in the 40s Because he just adapted

[01:38:14] To whatever the thing was It's true And yet, I mean the conundrum We're gonna solve with him Or like think about Is like partly what Want, like What made him so iconic Given the fact that he Adapted into all this stuff Right And you know And yet like

[01:38:29] How is he an influence On two of the biggest filmmakers So today That's the thing Barry Jenkins and Paul Thomas Anderson Both kind of said him as like Yeah, he was sort of the guy He was like their You know, I mean PTA's very upfront

[01:38:40] And he dedicates movies to him Right, like Barry Jenkins, I mean The close-ups Like the looking down the camera Like there's so much You can obviously And he talks about it too And then yeah I guess the demi close-up is sort of a And then also he basically

[01:38:52] Invented an entire genre Which is the concert movie He like invented that With what? Stop making sense I mean obviously Like concert movies Existed before them The big suit movie Yeah Fucking heads Yeah, you're gonna Fucking love it He kind of turns it into Like a movie

[01:39:10] It becomes something more thematic Yeah So it's fascinating Like Waltz had already Happened at that point I don't know, yeah Of course there's been like What's talking about Waltz and you know You know what I mean though Yes Talking Stop making sense as kind of its own beast

[01:39:23] And it's one of the first It's kind of like After Directed by David Byrne It's got like really Interesting stylistic choices Love that Love that It's a match based on We'll talk about it We're not gonna talk about Most of the documentaries

[01:39:36] Because he made too many fucking things Yeah, I might watch some of them We'll see Yeah, I might try to find time But this is a long filmography We're gonna cover a lot of different things I do think what you're saying though The arc is fascinating

[01:39:45] Because these do not feel like Three films from a man Who will direct one of the most Dominant Oscar films of all time And not only that The most unconventional Dominant Oscar film of all time But then after that He enters a period Of kind of being

[01:39:58] The most kind of like Classical, prestigey, Oscar Beatty Kind of guy At least in how his films Play Even if they do have Their own integrity You know And then he's sort of in the wilderness For the better part of the 2000s But he comes from like trash

[01:40:16] To then being like the top of the heap Trash to top to back to middle Yeah And then always making Interesting stuff But like big budget studio middle Yeah It's a weird filmography And we're gonna get into it Because you picked it Now this is the one where

[01:40:30] We're not gonna play conventional Box Office game Because I just can't find Data that far back And also these movies Barely had conventional releases But come on Let's play like year box Yeah let's do it 1974 Give me the top five movies In 1974 Number one Iconic comedy Blizzing saddles

[01:40:49] Correct Yeah $119 million Huge Number two Giant action epic Giant action epic Yeah but like Modern, contemporary Sort of in vence genre Sort of in vence or genre Famous for its billing Oh oh oh oh It's towering inferno Yeah Vence the disaster movie kind of Yeah $116

[01:41:14] Those were the two Okay Alright now the third And this is one reason I wanted To do 1974 first Yeah It's kinda like a Revenge movie We were just talking about it Billy John Which one Is it the Fuck I'm trying to remember the other towels

[01:41:33] Is one of them Billy Jack goes to Washington Maybe But this isn't that Fuck I don't know What is it Trial of Billy Jack That's I'm sorry there is no Billy Jack Goes to Washington That's the one I was thinking of $89 million The third highest grossing film

[01:41:49] I mean Huge Obviously Billy Jack is like a Joke you make now Right About like a weird Like uncool pop culture thing Yeah But like huge Huge And also like total Like outside of art Like a man who was outside of the industry

[01:42:03] It's like he had the same career path As like Neil Breen Except the movies were like Massive If you look at this Fucking top ten Yeah I really sometimes want to slap people In the face when they talk about How movies are over now

[01:42:15] This is a terrible top ten Movies are there And there are so many incredible movies That came out in 1974 Just as there are now But they're just not in the top Fucking ten Number four Is a masterpiece This is not This is not that

[01:42:28] This is another comedy masterpiece This is another comedy masterpiece I mean two movies in the same year In 74 Think about Oh it's young frankenstein I mean that's just unimpeachable He made both those movies in one year In the same Young frankenstein air And blazing sass

[01:42:45] She modigated both those performances In the same I mean arguably his two best movies Yeah Inarguably Yeah Right That's just crazy But then number five Is another shitty disaster movie Is it an airport Nope That's But airport 1975 is number seven Wow A shitty disaster movie Give me

[01:43:07] A general type of location The ground Is it earthquake Earthquake And then like Godfather 2 is 6 Love that But then like Airport 1975 Life in times of grizzly atoms The longest yard Murder on the Albert Finney-Orient Express Which is a great movie It's a good movie I love that movie

[01:43:28] I love Albert Finney in that movie It's not my favorite movie I love that movie, Lumet Roles I love Lumet Lumet has made a lot of movies As you know I agree on a lot of them are good But that one is One of the really Great ones

[01:43:40] The end is so boring The end rolls Herbie rides again Benji, Freebie and the Bean Like it's like There was a lot of shit There's a lot of garbage here You know and then You go down You're like Oh like here's some good stuff Conversation Yeah, conversation Like 31

[01:43:58] Yeah Cirque Sugar Land Express 29 Yeah Gone with the wind 25 That's so funny to think about That's the widescreen Every year Yeah Anyway China Town came out The Earth on the bone Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre Wow So let's do top 3 From the other 2 years Wow, you're in a rush

[01:44:17] Oh, okay fine Let's do top 5 You don't want to do 5 Stretch out Yeah, jeez Make yourself comfy Ben Just get 2 hours Okay Jesus, 1975 I'm just saying things have changed when we go Ah, don't worry We just hit 2 hours Yeah, right, right, right You're right

[01:44:33] Come on, we're almost done 1975, number 1 1975, number 1 be Jaws? Yes Number 2, best picture Number 2 for 75 Is best picture Yeah, Jaws 260 Right And the next one makes 108 Which is a lot of money Yes For the time Best picture in 1975 Tons I mean this is very

[01:44:52] This is still an era where your number 1 film probably hasn't made a hundred million dollars There are less than like You know, 15 movies that have ever made A hundred million dollars Okay, so number 2 is still a huge hit It's 108 Give me the genre Best picture winner

[01:45:08] Oh fuck, but still Give me the genre That's not a genre my friend Drama Pretty straight I guess so How do you describe this? It's Kind of a prison movie But it's not set in prison Well now, I don't know Well, what was your hint going to be?

[01:45:24] Adaptation It is an adaptation of a book It's an adaptation of a book It's kind of a prison movie but not really It's One Floor with the Cuckoo's Nose? Correct Future Number 3 I mean this is kind of crazy This is number 3 Kind of like a sex dramedy

[01:45:40] But like Hybrow With a big star Hybrow Sex dramedy Hybrow like jeez I just can't stop getting laid movie Boy oh boy It's so hard to be hot and get laid It's not carnal knowledge No, I mean you know, sort of that vibe But sort of that vibe

[01:45:57] It's a little less dramatic than that The big star is the male? Yeah Interesting He's a hottie I can't deny it He's a hottie It's not a red fur, is it? No More dangerous More dangerous It's not McQueen No, less dangerous Less dangerous

[01:46:14] I said McQueen kind of lose a guy where he's like This guy could punch me in the face right now Shut up Yeah Less dangerous But in between the two You can't stop getting laid It's not Alfie No, but It's sort of like an American Californian Alfie

[01:46:32] Right, I'm trying to think through He has Shrugging The name of the movie is a product Oh, shampoo Shampoo Was the third highest grossing film of its year That's crazy That's crazy No, it's a great movie by Grave Film Network 49 though So again, a big drop off from 108

[01:46:53] But that's still crazy Alright, 4 4 is a prison movie Not a prison movie Kind of a crime movie It's like a bank robbery movie 4 is like a It's a great movie Great big performance What like one very famous big performance Famous performance

[01:47:10] Although a lot of good performances in it Right Is it like an Oscar-winning performance Or just like an iconic performance You didn't win an Oscar Some maybe outrageously although he was up against Jack He was up against Jack Jack wins the Oscar Right, for the lead Oscar

[01:47:23] He didn't win He wins an Oscar way later for a bad movie He wins it way later Is it Coolhand Luke? No But is it Paul Newman? No Oh, it's Pacino For Dog Day And then number 5 is a sequel Comedy

[01:47:43] Let me ask you if you could go back in time Would you give the Oscar that year to Jack or Al? I'd give it to Al Only one way to find out Oh boy Oh boy Ladies and gentlemen, he's cracked his knuckles He has stretched his arms

[01:48:01] You asked me the question The spreadsheet is being opened I gave it to Jack Wow You want to hear the 5? Yeah Ryan O'Neill For Barry Linden Uh huh Richard Dreyfus for Jaws Al Pacino for Dog Day Afternoon Warren Beatty for Shampoo And Jack's the winner Wait a second

[01:48:20] I'm just trying to process Richard Dreyfus for Jaws Yeah, he's my fit He's my boy I hadn't even thought about him as lead though I think I snuck Shaw into supporting Well, he did get the supporting nomination, right? No, he didn't get a nomination, which is outrageous

[01:48:32] Shaw was not nominated for Jaws? It's outrageous Are you fucking kidding me? Double check I would have bet the house on that I think this might be similar to your Top Gun prediction I think we were You're right, I don't know What's wrong about it?

[01:48:43] I thought Jaws kind of got snubbed It didn't get director Yeah, no, no, no, no, I think the nomination Really? Four noms total See, yeah, I would say Shaw is supporting I would say that Dreyfus is supporting And I would say that Shiders like No, Shiders, I mean

[01:48:59] Dreyfus is nominated for his lead BAFTA He's a lead I think he's a lead It's three fucking rolls I know, it's a good movie It's a great movie of rules Can I throw a hot pig? It's about a shark Can I throw a hot pig? It eats people

[01:49:11] Jaws is pretty good No, but can I I think I gave it to Jackie He's one of those four super The movie is no good without him I guess I don't know Yeah, Milosh though I'm a little surprised I think I also have given Pacino several wins already

[01:49:25] Maybe I'm sort of like spreading the love I don't know I think that's the best one It's pretty good It's also one of my favorite movies ever Yeah, it's a good movie Number five, come on, comedy sequel Number five is a comedy sequel So that's not very

[01:49:39] A very frequent occurrence at this point in time Yeah It's a comedy sequel Is it like character or circumstance that they're sequelizing? He's a character This guy? This guy's a character Let me ask you, is the character I kind of cannot

[01:49:51] The character's name is not in the title But is the character iconic enough that I would know the character by name? Yeah Is it A Shot in the Dark? It's a pink panther Which one? It's not the trail It's not the curse No It's not return

[01:50:07] It is return Return of the pink panther Okay Now 1976 Now we're done Number one, best picture Iconic movie, huge, rules So fucking good I'm not forgetting what wins best picture in 1976 It wins it over better movies But who cares? It still rules People shit on it

[01:50:24] But they shouldn't Because it fucking rules Fuck Fuck Fuck I'm into the fact that people shit on it We could do a franchise That's a good franchise The film is rocky Rocky The film is rocky And we should probably do that franchise at some point

[01:50:39] It'd be pretty fun I haven't seen any of the Creed movies Which is like What? A bummer You should watch Crayon tonight I know That movie is the most watchable movie ever made And Well also, look We might have another reason to talk about a couple

[01:50:54] The rocky movies If March Madness Shakes out in some of the crazy ways Now number two You may or may not know this Is an IMAX movie That was a documentary Are you joking? No It's like a weird box-off

[01:51:09] It was the highest grossing documentary of all time before Fahrenheit 9-11 Weird And it's from 1975 Six It mostly played at like this National Air and Space Museum in In Washington, DC IMAX But it was like such a big deal that it was technically

[01:51:26] The second highest grossing movie of the year I wonder though if that's them retroactively saying It's the second highest grossing film It makes it clear 1976 gross So I don't think so Weird Yeah Because like just like I said like on that early one

[01:51:39] Gone With The Wind was listed as making ten million dollars That year Is the title of the film It's a great title Like the subject or is it creative? Yeah, it's like what it's about It's an announcement Yeah, it is an exclamation point Love those

[01:51:52] It's not like this is sinorama It sort of feels like it's pointing It's not that's entertainment No I'm trying to think of titles that are exclamations I know they're not right Can I give it to you? To Fly I never knew that existed

[01:52:06] It's a documentary that shows you have to point You have to point with it I believe the poster is like a hot air balloon Wow It's about like the history of flight I did not know this movie existed But even if you read about it you'd be like

[01:52:18] What do you want to see in movies? Maybe we should go see To Fly And once again men doing the physical bit They're pointing at this guy and looking up toward Now the three others are big movies of the era None of them are particularly good at mine

[01:52:29] To Fly But they were all big hits To Fly One is a giant remake that just got remade again Star is born? StraySanth? Chris Christoferson underrated Terrible movie though Yeah terrible movie Number four is a movie that It's been remade again It was also made for the stage

[01:52:50] Recently Whoa Whoa And so it was not a stage player originally I got it Recently Fuck I'm trying to think of the ones I Recently I know Is it Network? No Okay but that was a good guess No Because that is the same year is it not?

[01:53:11] Yeah network is It was the 19th highest grossing film of the year What a great movie So wait Good movie 1976 there's another 76 movie David's What stroking Why is he pleading at us? Maybe you two saw this stage production Oh Oh

[01:53:32] It's the Jessica Lang, Dino De Laurentis, King Kong King Kong The one where he's on the twin towers And Jeff Bridges is in it I believe There's that line yes Jeff Bridges and Charles Grosven It's the one where they built like a giant puppet Animatronic

[01:53:49] And then it didn't work so it's mostly just a guy in a suit Right I believe Rick Baker is also playing King Kong for most of that movie in a costume Kind of a good poster Where he's on both towers Yeah He's not just on one building now

[01:54:02] Do you know what's like the meanest thing that critics say What When they're discussing a new King Kong project And they say like every generation gets the King Kong they deserve That's really disrespectful to at least three or four different generations Disrespectful to basically every generation Yeah

[01:54:17] And like the only one that got a good one was the one that where it came out like during the Great Depression Right and the movie's kind of racist They're all kind of racist Was the stage play racist so they squeezed that in No

[01:54:30] Ten minutes of racism in there No but the stage play strength is so hard Yeah they did have a slow character I think he's not slow he's lumpy And by that I mean his name is lumpy Yeah Number five I will say

[01:54:45] Andearo in the King Kong musical is played by an African American woman Who was absinthe night that we saw it so we did not see that But I've heard that that lends some interesting subtext to the performance Yeah yeah it's not because it's usually this blonde ingenue Right

[01:54:59] Part of Jackson's problem is he's way too fucking slavish to the original Yeah Except it's a great movie and I should have won Best Picture Year of Crash There are other movies I mean yeah if you're picking between those two sure I can't think of another one

[01:55:15] No I mean genuinely my number one film that year is New World But I thought King Kong should have been the consensus best picture winner Insane we should do d*** next year Fuck it let's do d*** next year Fuck it let's do d***

[01:55:26] Don't bleep out both of those things Finally it's a comedy, iconic comedy duo Is it a prior Wilder? Yeah You know they used to sell prior and Wilder as? Wild and Wilder Richard's Wild Gene is Wilder It's not the first one I don't fucking remember Silver Street

[01:55:49] It's Silver Street Okay that's the first one 1976 The stir crazy is the one that's huge Yeah right but it did really well 51 million Silver Street's a boring movie It's the one that's on a train right It's pretty much just a like C grade Hitchcock ripoff

[01:56:09] And what you call it, Richard Pryor is in like three scenes And it's very clear that they hired him And he was really funny and they were like fuck we gotta put a couple more Richard Pryor scenes in here

[01:56:17] It's like the movie with Eddie Murphy where he's in a tank Best offense Yeah right but they're like shit this guy's huge We gotta get him in this much of this movie But it was like they were like oh fuck this chemistry is really good

[01:56:27] And then they made like three more movies that are actually about the two of them But you watch Silver Street and it's like a Gene Wilder, Jill Claiborg Like mystery film That's pretty dry And then has one scene where Gene Wilder does blackface At Richard Pryor's encouragement

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