Catch Me If You Can

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Two little mice fell in the bucket of cream

[00:00:25] First mouse quickly gave up and drowned The second mouse wouldn't quit He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter And crawled out Gentlemen, as of this moment I am that second podcast Oh no

[00:00:45] That was- okay so I will say that was the single worst impression I've ever done That was like a ski jumper and it's going fine and then you just like die I feel like I was throwing a lot of Woody Allen in there Here and there

[00:00:58] I feel like I was doing like- Doesn't matter, Walken's always funny, good or bad Yeah Podcast Yeah Pow Pow I just shit my pants I'm Woody Allen director of Manhattan I didn't think about that It's a hop and a skip from Woody Allen

[00:01:16] Like sped up, it's like this is- That's you know Yeah but it's different It's different Hey let's get Kevin Pollack in here right? Yeah right Let's get- let's make this a Kevin Pollack show crossover Yep Sure I am Kevin Pollack Chachow Yeah there you go

[00:01:33] I am America's second favorite diminutive impressionist Griffin Newman And I'm Sam Levine David Sims The same Levine of our hearts and minds You think I- I guess you'd be the Pollack and I'd be the Levine?

[00:01:47] No I'm saying I'd say you're the same Levine of the New York film critic community Totally, 100% Griffin Newman, David Sims, there's a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David Yep We're hashtag the two friends That's us two friends hosting this show

[00:02:04] And the show is called Blank Check and this is what's about filmography Sure Directors who have massive success early on And are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy projects they want Sometimes those checks clear And sometimes Those checks bounce a baby

[00:02:22] The last word is what you struggle with It's getting really bad You don't know what to do on the last word You're like do I go in on this or do I- yeah Anyway Um, wow Wow Okay I can't- I've never really bothered with it

[00:02:37] Walking impressions it feels like I don't know it's like climbing Everest Like it's hard A lot of people have done it And once you do it it's sort of like Well Here's a thing that just People have been here before Right Here's a thing that just hit me

[00:02:49] I don't think I've done it in five years Sure And I feel like five years ago I had a workman-like walk-in Uh, sure Right you're saying like you had- you put in your time And you'd carved out an okay walk It wasn't anything great but it was functional

[00:03:03] And it turns out that doing a Christopher Walk impression Is not like riding a bicycle It doesn't come back to you quickly Even after you watch old Chrissy W Yeah I was just- I wasn't studying You know what I'm saying? I was just buying in Okay We're covering

[00:03:18] What I would refer to as a Christopher Walk-in vehicle today Right? This is sort of a one-hander It was kind of a secret Chris Walk-in vehicle Like honestly right? It ended up being- It actually revived his career Yes, 100% But yeah, a secret Chris Walk-in vehicle

[00:03:32] Say it in his voice This is the titular episode of our mini series A mini series about- That's right Steven Spielberg The Dreamworks Years His run of films financed by A movie studio that he founded The biggest blank check in history Blank check He's got the Oscars

[00:03:47] He's got nothing to prove anymore And now he's just making whatever the fuck he wants True And this is the titular movie It's called Catch Me If You Can Okay Was he stabbed when he said that? Was he dying? I'm struggling- I'm trying to find a handle here

[00:04:05] Sounded like blood was leaking out of his body I'm reaching on the side of the ship For any kind of tactile thing To hold onto and pulling back up to land Yeah Maybe it's more- No, whisper isn't the key Catch me if you can This is-

[00:04:17] Catch me if you can Catch me if you can Catch me if you can Catch me if you can If you can Catch me if you can Catch me if you can Yes, and that's where we are today As a society The year is deuce-double-o-deuce

[00:04:32] The year of this film, yes 15 years ago Yes Because it's now 2017 Yes When we're recording this I'm trying to take the viewer back To a simpler time though 2002 Oh It was kind of a complicated time The year is deuce-double-o-deuce

[00:04:46] People couldn't stop talking about that horrible tragedy dear, but don't get too comfortable because more tragedies are coming Talk about deuce. We got two wars going on right? Okay, and Spielberg is going to enter a period of films that are all very

[00:05:04] Very affected and I would say he's already entered it with minority report minority report But this is not that but I mean I know what you're saying that the next three films two or three films is gonna make are very

[00:05:17] Obviously the question with minority part effected by the times there in right question with minority port is always how no He doesn't make the terminal in between right now. The question of minority port is how

[00:05:26] I know we talked about whatever whatever whatever because it's sort of it's one of those things where it ends up being very relevant Even if it was maybe not made with right these current issues in mind

[00:05:37] Of course it was you know this was viewed at the time as a light Spielberg. Oh, it's a it's a it's a romp It's a frail it was a romp. It was a caper sure caper movie and released Christmas Day

[00:05:50] So it had like a holiday movie vibe, but it's sort of vaguely a Christmas movie I'd say pretty directly a Christmas. Yeah Well, so they didn't sell that way in the advertising because I think it's like the saddest Christmas movie ever

[00:06:04] It's a pretty sad Christmas. It's a pretty dire. It's a wonderful movie one number one It's a wonderful movie number two It's a one like I agree with you wonderfully melancholy Movie that sort of like dresses everything up sort of sweetly, but like you know

[00:06:18] You only have to think about it for a second to be like go right. This is a little grim number three It's like even before he starts doing all this shit number three. It's a wonderful life. Yes. Thank you

[00:06:27] Yeah, no, I think the whole movie is pretty haunted But in a night not in like a severe way, you know in a nice way in a good way. I got some hot takes I'm gonna throw out we'll build up to them

[00:06:37] But yeah, I think I think this is a great fucking movie and a movie I hadn't seen since its release I have weirdly seen this movie like half a dozen times. I feel like it's on TV a lot or something

[00:06:49] I don't know. I don't even know why but I've just seen it a lot. I like Immediately like with Joanna was just like oh like this shot coming up to really good

[00:06:56] Like I just sort of like knew a lot of the visual language of the movie. Well, I don't know I'm not trying to brag but I have a cable in like six years. So I Rarely like have that kind of like you don't have it on cable

[00:07:09] It's always I was an early cord cutter and so it's always deliberate rewatches for me and for whatever reason it was never movie I was driven to rewatch and Was very affected by the second viewing

[00:07:19] I mean the movie grew greatly in my eyes and I feel like it's a movie I'm now gonna watch a Lot many years to come over and over again

[00:07:27] I because I think it's a well we'll get to larger thoughts, but I think it's a very strong movie that was weirdly like Very well liked well liked it was a financial

[00:07:38] Incredibly well and I feel is still incredibly underrated. It is someone underrated part partly because it came in this crush of Spielberg movies. Yes, partly because it was this weird like, you know, Leo had been gone

[00:07:53] Yeah, basically, I mean he made the beat right is there anything each is 2000 beaches 2000 That's it I mean man in the Iron Mask and celebrity but like those are pretty tight and that came out

[00:08:03] But let's just you know, I mean like the caprio sitcom star child actor, right Oscar nomination Okay, then break out Gilbert Grape who the fuck is this guy then the sort of tortured young man roles And what should we call it? Yeah

[00:08:20] Right and and then right Romeo and Juliet like makes him a bit of a heartthrob Titanic is like the biggest pop any movie stars experience in last point five. Yeah, right? Okay, so now he's too big. He's bigger than any actor has been right

[00:08:33] So he freaks out, you know takes it easy retreats man the Iron Mask was already in the can forget that Right and was also already in the can doesn't make a movie. He's got all he makes the beach

[00:08:45] Right, right, but I'm saying it takes a couple years. He's off the screens I want where the fuck is Leo right ghost and boy picks up this weird novel makes it everyone's like look looks weird

[00:08:54] But Leo mania, right? There's no way this thing doesn't work and guess what big old belly flop total bomb You know financially and critically right some people speak up for that movie I've always found it to be a troublesome movie. I never seen it

[00:09:05] I know Boyle kind of disowns it right not disowning He just had a hard time making it and he felt really bad that it ruined his relationship with you McGregor Who's kind of his you know his guy right which was not But anyway, we

[00:09:21] Danny Boyle is such an interesting director. We'll cover him at some point I mean we've had people even recently prodding us about our sunshine take as you and I are two of America's preeminent sunshine defenders Sunshine's a masterpiece

[00:09:34] Anyway, so but then it's like okay Leo, huh like beach was bad, huh? Like what a pussy posse? You know well and I feel like the big thing was right It doesn't mean it was is Leo never gonna be in in a good movie ever

[00:09:46] Like it's with satanic it was this some sort of weird fanatical thing and Like maybe we it was all overblown right like maybe Leo's a bad actor. Well, and also the thing of like

[00:09:58] What the fuck happened it like did he freak out? You know, I think he did I mean but but some people don't come back from that like there are people who are like big early movie stars, right? like

[00:10:12] Elliot Gould who I always think is a very interesting case example was like right place right time Not talking about not the same as to capria, right?

[00:10:19] Yeah, no was the right guy for the right time and came to represent a certain since building the 70s and like blew up really big Yeah, and very publicly like kind of got overwhelmed by everything and stepped away and

[00:10:30] Was like off screens for a long time and when he came back it was like now He's sort of a character. Yeah, now he's like a middle-aged guy, right like the leading man thing He had a moment he walked away

[00:10:40] Oh, he's made some great movies. He's one of my favorite actors of all time. Yeah, but it was like is the caprio going to actively avoid this right so to finish my sentence It was it came out Like a month after even a week after it came out

[00:10:55] Five days after gangs in New York came out because I believe they were supposed to both come out the same day Sure, and there was a thing where one of them was like I'll move five days over

[00:11:05] I don't remember which one. I think I think it was gang. I think gangs moved up five days early To be like, okay, let's not cannibalize each other

[00:11:12] So gangs have come out and everyone was just jerking their dicks about gangs because it was like oh, it's not good or oh It's not you know like you know the hype had been so because gang's been supposed to come out a year earlier

[00:11:23] And had been held over for you know Cuts and fights with Weinstein and you know such a complicated torture process So everyone's all worked up about gangs catch me if you can comes out everyone's like you know

[00:11:35] The Leo's pretty good at this anyway, you know like it felt like everyone was like anyway Let's get back to fighting about gangs in New York right and there are a couple really interesting factors that yeah

[00:11:44] One is this movie did almost twice the box office of Gangs of New Oh this movie was a huge hit obviously was like a PG-13 with Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg So you know it was right it was better position but yeah

[00:11:56] Gangs of New York relative flop it cost twice as right cost 50 million So it's half as much as gangs in New York and made twice as much. Hey, yeah

[00:12:04] Hey guys. Oh yes producer Ben aka the Ben Deucer aka Purdue Ben aka the poet laureate aka the meat lover aka the fart detective aka the tiebreaker aka our finest film critic aka birthday Benny aka dirt bike Benny aka white hot Benny aka soaking wet Benny

[00:12:20] What ribbon aka the fuckmaster aka So hello final by the way. Oh, yeah always Graduates a certain tells of the course of different main series such as Kylo Ben producer Ben Kanova and say Ben

[00:12:34] I'm alone I say Benny thing and Ailey Ben's with a dollar sign at the end. Yes, Ben Fun fact about Gangs in New York Dan Lewis He was training to be a shoemaker You burst in here to give us an IMDB fact also you call it asshole

[00:12:53] That's off the top of the dome. I'm Dan Lewis nobody calls him Dan Accountant you call him Dan Lewis name is Dave Lewis Listen he that's a middle name. You don't have to say Oh, it's hyphened what would you call her Jules Dreyfus?

[00:13:15] I call her Julie Dreyfus Julie Louie we call her Jimmy Jones Jimmy Jones as the voice of Darth Vader I just called her Julie Louie Jesus Christ. Do you want me to cut that out? No keep it in but yeah double it

[00:13:27] Sure, but layer it over so it's like a booming. Yeah, but to answer your question David. Yeah, I did Look at what I do be piece of shit. No, I knew that I read it

[00:13:38] I'm rolling cobbler. Yeah, he was trying to be a cobbler in Italy. I just can't get over Dan Lewis Dan Lewis whose brother of a Dan Brown, what am I talking about? Crazy fact about Dan Lewis Never made Lloyd night Ronald Lloyd

[00:13:57] Two people okay two people like that. Ben is one of them. Yep. Yeah, and one of our listeners I forget which one yeah, um catch catch if can

[00:14:07] Cost half as much twi makes twice as much right hit everyone but I think everyone was just like yeah sure whatever I don't know like it was like huh. Yeah, it's fun

[00:14:15] It was viewed as like a populist thing right the only thing anyone fucking said about this movie was the score is good Which it is it got two nominations only that score and best supporting actor for walking and walking was not even seen as like a

[00:14:28] Guarantee he snuck in he didn't get a globe. No, I'm like it was sort of like the sag Yeah, he won the stag so then people were like is he gonna win is this a career never gonna win

[00:14:36] No Chris Cooper had that year locked up which is funny now that you think about because it's such a wonderful performance Scream Oscar no it doesn't and he certainly wasn't a super recognizable actor at that point He'd kind of been a journey man

[00:14:49] He'd been around you know around but he was such a sort of chameleon That it wasn't like we've been waiting to give him an Oscar It was just one of those things where everyone had just decided It's so funny the way the Oscars work

[00:15:02] Where it's like everyone in these and you go to these like industry parties and it's like everyone's just like oh well You know Chris is gonna win that and it's like oh, I guess we all just we all just made that decision

[00:15:12] You know I just remember seeing that movie and being like this is totally my kind of performance And then when he won the Oscar I was like I'm surprised they agree with me because I usually like weird performances

[00:15:22] The reason he won is that walking already had an Oscar, you know if walking didn't already have an Oscar Then I think there would have been like oh my god Yeah, like right let's walk in one an Oscar for the dear hunter is million years ago

[00:15:33] So, you know the only other I mean Paul Newman who is incredible in road to perdition, but I had an Oscar John C. Riley which was it, you know a sort of pat on the head right well

[00:15:43] That was his most supporting actor year where he was in three of the I know five best picture nominees and And then at Harris who in the hours like would that would have been his year to win but the hours any

[00:15:55] Say what you will about the hours. He's not very good in it like it's a very over-the-top I'm gonna be good, but I also haven't seen it since it came out

[00:16:03] Like the window spoiler alert for the hours. I mean it's mostly what he does at Harris jumps out of window Parties to cover the silence. I remember the whole movie him just sitting in that little nook by the window That's what he does right? Yeah, and look

[00:16:16] I know people out there love the hours and I have people mean Joe read Other fans of the show I'm sure like the hours and I have complicated things about the hours

[00:16:25] But I think that unequivocally at Harris who is one of my favorite actors is God awful in the Stephen Daldry's film The hour you would again in the Oscar for Truman, right? For a

[00:16:35] My friend right well my friend Truman maybe for Truman. He's great. I have to look at make sure Yeah, he's so good in Truman Any house we're done. Yeah, we're done What's interesting is that yeah like the gangs in your was such a hyped up thing

[00:16:51] Here's how hyped up gangs of New York was okay again to be clear It was literally supposed to come out the December before and was held over so it was a year of people being like like

[00:17:00] Gangs gangs gangs and Scorsese and one is Oscar yet. So everyone was like well this be the one You know cuz he had done a lot of weird movies leading up to that He'd done his weird like kundoon bringing out the dead Is there another one in there?

[00:17:13] There's another late 90s Scorsese. I'm forgetting a kundoon bring out the dead I mean Cape Fear was like 92 94 right, but that's also like a departure That's like not gonna be an Oscar Scorsese movie There's casino in there casino in there. Yeah, it's kundoon

[00:17:30] 99 yeah kundoon bring out the dead to gang's New York. Yeah, okay before they did a casino yeah The the thing is that he I believe right after Taxi driver took out an ad in variety announcing that his

[00:17:48] This movie based on this great book that you should all read So in addition to the film being pushed back a year from its release It was like he would been calling this shot since like fucking 1975

[00:17:57] Yeah, it was kind of like silence where it was everyone knew he'd oh it was a passion of his But it was also like Napoleon like Cooper's Napoleon where is he ever gonna do it?

[00:18:05] And he made it on look one day will look games New York is a better movie than country if you can and is one of the greatest movies of the

[00:18:12] 2000s disagree with that. You're totally wrong great great movie one of Scorsese's best movies totally underrated love that movie But you know it was kind of like like it needed a while it needed a while to really get its sillies out

[00:18:26] Like certain things about that movie have problems with Another big thing about that movie is that? Ben's close personal friend Dan Lewis had like retired from acting to make his shoes was he what was he doing in Italy? Oh, he was a cobbler Fucking bullshit. Yeah

[00:18:42] Ever since the boxer no like five years and people weren't sure if he was ever gonna come back He's good. So it was like that. It's like oh the guys returned This is Leo's big Titanic follow-up. He's the new guy

[00:18:53] So that movie comes out Leo's not terrific in games. I agree. I think that's a problem with that movie Yeah, he's I don't think it's real but he's okay Yeah, hadn't it's a it's a performance where he's not playing an interesting character

[00:19:05] And he's totally overshadowed by everyone else and it feels a little bit like a school and the sets It feels like a kid playing dress up a little it feels like probably what it was which was him

[00:19:15] Learning to be a grown-up actor and trying really hard to prove that he was a grown-up His performance and catch me if you can on the other hand is wonderful, but it is more he's playing a teenager

[00:19:24] So it's more of a boyish Leo hot take from this rewatch. I think Arguably his best performance ever. Oh We know his best performance we said it we said the lines on the Titanic episode We said it together. We said the line from the line the key line

[00:19:43] Well, it's your favorite performance one two three. We are duly appointed federal marshals I know you think that's his best. I think his best performance is this yeah What do you think it was before you saw get through if you can last night?

[00:19:58] Before that I probably would say Wolf of Wall Street which probably see what I like out of cat the caps He's so good in that I like when he's not putting a clamp on the charisma need to feels like his head is getting really big So big right?

[00:20:13] He's got a big I went down a rabbit hole last night Looking man like even for guys that good-looking. He's really weird looking. I'm looking he's weirdly good-looking Yeah, he is

[00:20:23] I went down a rabbit hole last night of watching the caprio trailers after catch me if you can and it is Interesting how his head seems to grow larger and larger

[00:20:31] But all great movie stars do I guess so I mean is he tall? I've never seen him in person Fairly, you know what I've heard amazing skin people have been on planes with him

[00:20:42] Like I know a couple people like see them in person and they all just go like skin was pretty handsome vegan diet Isn't he he's six feet tall. Yeah, six feet tall guy. Yeah, and the crazy thing is three feet of that is head

[00:20:56] Did you like my reaction to that? To the listener at home David's face was non-plused But I mean it is crazy for Leo like after this he doesn't make a movie for two years and it's the aviator

[00:21:09] Right with Scorsese right doesn't make a movie for two more years, and it's the departed with Scorsese And then he does blood diamond that same year He's kind of entering a warm body of lies like after that. He finally is like okay

[00:21:20] I mean the war baby phases. I'll take yours off between movies. I don't care I might star power is large enough that I don't feel the need to be out there every year, right?

[00:21:29] And it's very strategic moves working with big directors like he only works with big directors from this point out, right? Big directors big big big directors Yeah, no he works with the Christopher walk in the biggest directors Ridley Scott yes Christopher Nolan correct Ed's wick

[00:21:52] You were ready we've we apart from his wiki pants everyone talk any movie star into anything That's the crazy thing all these movies stars with z it was a x wicks like have I got the role for you? How do you feel about pharmaceutical sales?

[00:22:05] Who fuck people young diamond full of cum that's the zwick pitch It's weird that all these movies stars always get fucking bamboozled by his wick. They do they get rough in by this Wicked try have you ever seen him? He's a charming guy nice. Yeah 30 something. Yeah 30 something

[00:22:20] I was gonna say the same thing 30 something though But yeah Clint Eastwood Quentin Tarantino Baz Lerman like he works with very very big And catch me if you can was You know Fisher Stevens, what was the Fisher Stevens like a documentary about right? flooding

[00:22:42] Leonary but he's working with canonical American directors save for his own right The people that one might doll like the modern masters the preeminent American filmmaker I would dub's wick a modern Never go back though. He hasn't worked with Spielberg again

[00:22:58] However, but he did he got his Spielberg Got his he got that the Spielberg on his bingo card right that they've never worked together again Have they ever has that ever flowed been floated? Leo Steven Levo oh boy, that's a good question

[00:23:13] I'm sorry I didn't on the conbrothers movie either yet. It feels like they're a major missing one on his That's true. And actually I could see them getting a lot out of him. Mm-hmm He hasn't been funny

[00:23:24] Since this movie right, he's funny. Those are the two breeze fine. He's so funny in that the you know the quailude He's kind of funny in Django and chain like that is a that is a heightened performance

[00:23:36] I mean, I'm not laughing he's in funny exactly where it's like uncomfortable It's a cartoonish performance, right? I mean revenant was obviously laughing in it. Yeah, well, it's a jackass movie Kind of it when is Revenant 2.5 gonna come out? Dirty grandpa

[00:23:53] Revenants dirty Revenant this time. It's even colder. They could have called that movie dirty trapper. Yeah Yeah, yeah dirty trapper. He's dirty everyone in that movie's dirty. Dirty dumb movie It's a dumb beautifully shot jackass film and I'll never stop saying this But my point is

[00:24:13] Dreamworks, you know early days. That's your point is dream works. Thank you very much everybody and as always dream works Are we done with the mini-series? Yes, we're done put a bow on it, baby

[00:24:24] David you told me recently that you're running into problems saying baby to people you're saying it too much Well when Joanna Robinson who was last week's episode yeah when she was did I tell you this you did tell me

[00:24:35] Okay, when she was she was here and she'd arrived at the UCB and I guess I came into our recording studio Yeah, and she was outside and you know, I've met Joanna like Twice basically because like we live on opposite coast like we know

[00:24:49] I'm mostly online friends exactly like I had only met Joanna Maybe once or twice before this time things are different in text than they are yeah And she's like oh do we record in there? And I'm like yeah come on in baby. And it was like

[00:25:01] What I can't say that to a person. Yeah It's weird, but the way you come on in baby That's the thing. I think you didn't deliver it correctly sure cuz you know baby you said you right right you told me that you said

[00:25:16] I think I did say it like that. I don't think I gave it the Griffin, you know curve That's my argument. You gotta give it the baby baby. Good job on the best does oh yeah Which just dropped saying baby. Yeah. Oh, yeah

[00:25:27] I mean I also have been doing it to David But I try to incorporate it more like where it's gonna feel like special Yeah, you want to make them count I want to pull a little bacon on that sandwich, but not every time

[00:25:40] Me what I was gonna say is catch if can't dream works 1997 there's a really clear point. I'm trying to get to here. Okay 97 Spielberg's fucking like buying up shit right and much like almost odd

[00:25:56] This was a movie where like oh you're saying right he bought the right and they were like this is a perfect DreamWorks project And then revolving door of directors you want to know some of the names

[00:26:05] I know Gorky Bansky can very close to doing the drop out late fincher was on for a while They threw it to Cameron Crowe. He was batting it around You know, you know it makes sense on paper is a good fit for this Lasse Halstrom who you know

[00:26:18] He'll do any right bullshit and Milo Schformen Which is the most interesting right because Milo Schformen at that point was in his like I'm back And it's all biopics

[00:26:30] Larry Flint, let's do it on the moon. Yeah fucking Andy Kaufman. Let's do it Frank Abagnale like the biopic trilogy How weird is it that Milo Schformen directed an Andy Kaufman move? It's really Yeah, it actually I think holds a better now than it like at the time

[00:26:50] I think it was crushed by weird expectations of how it would function and then I think there's a big budget Andy Kaufman movie like that's really Very moving when I last saw it which is about like 10 years ago It was like

[00:27:09] Vito man, you give him like a semi serious role. He'll eat a penguin He's so good a somber sparse performance and do you know in heist? Namitized yeah, you know hasn't done a good dramatic supporting role in a while. Yeah, because now he's I mean

[00:27:25] I was at the Gotham Awards is the Lorax now can't go back from that literally out of his fucking mind He just he got up at the Gotham's podium

[00:27:34] He was introducing they were giving a special award to this indie producer who I think he's worked with cuz you know Also great indie producer Jersey films he produced He got up and he just went holy shit balls

[00:27:46] Holy shit balls. He did that for five minutes. It felt like five minutes and then he spoke for the truffle trees Can you tell me the only other movie Milo Schwarmann's made since man on the moon? Goya's ghost yeah

[00:28:04] The fuck man good pull though right very good pull Can I just pat myself in the back quickly on the pulling Goya's ghost? No, I did the greatest pull of all time before we record it

[00:28:14] You were asking me with the last time there was a live-action thing with a CGI mouth baby And I reminded you that there was a sitcom in the early 2000s called baby Bob It was based off a commercial series for quiz nose. You didn't know that part

[00:28:28] I didn't I thought it was like a fucking start up startup, but I named all four Regular cast members can you do it again? Yes the four regular cat I don't know who was the voice of the baby

[00:28:39] It was some nobody the four regular cast members on baby Bob the CVS second the last 14 episodes over two seasons We're Jolie Fisher and Adam Arkham as the parents true and Holland Taylor and Academy Award nominee Elliott Gould as the grandparent correct

[00:28:54] Didn't want to accept there yep a lot of famous, you know Jolie Fisher Famous Hollywood children Yeah, that's true Jolie Fisher and Adam Arkham Holland Taylor Chant the Taylor Thomas The point I'm trying to make his dream works and in 1997 In 1997 buying spree

[00:29:17] Attaching all these directors right and then Spielberg has much like I'm a subtle like Oh, maybe I'll direct it and I think it came together pretty quick That's I think that's how he especially back then and but I think even now that's how he's working where he's like

[00:29:28] What should I do? What should I do? And then you see something and he has some angle on how it's gonna work Yeah, and six months later. It's like he's done with the movie like it happens really really rapid

[00:29:40] Yeah, he's always got like ten movies percolating and it's always a bandage of Spielberg is when he says he wants to movie Right movies happening like you get the actors on board immediately like you know anyone will do it

[00:29:48] But it feels like at any given time there like five things He's had the rights to for a while that it's like I don't know He might make this now and then there are a couple things that are just sort of flyers where it's like

[00:29:57] Oh Bradley Cooper wants to do American sniper Spielberg's on it and then he like leaves after two months That I've been like loosely attached and then he leaves a project right like

[00:30:06] He almost directed Juno. There are all these weird examples of like scripts that he was early on right, okay But I think it's interesting that it took him this long to attach to the movie because It feels to me like the most autobiographical Spielberg movie this one well

[00:30:25] It kind of feels like the air text to me Okay, even more so I disagree with you He's made a lot of movies about divorce. Yeah, but yes, I know what you mean and more to me

[00:30:35] It's like it's him returning to territory. He had for years been ignored. Yes, which was Essentially that the the troubled lives of children from broken homes right in some fractured form right from a very different angle and a very different style I would argue yeah

[00:30:52] But then he does it again not long after with war the world's except it's like what if my childhood but 9-11? And where the world is from the parents it is But interestingly where the world is almost from Dakota fanics perspective. It's sort of

[00:31:10] Interesting to me is that the Caprio was always attached like you know, it was very nearly Gandolfini playing You know a hand ready right it was very nearly at Harris playing the walk-in role dad. Yeah, right Oh, he's been he was cast as Brenda has a

[00:31:28] And like different directors had different castings But it was like always to Caprio and this was before he locked in like I'm only working with heavy hitters and Zoic You know because it's like I love verbinski, but he hadn't done that much at this point

[00:31:40] You know just Spielberg dropped big fish and memoirs of a geisha right this movie Right, which is fascinating because big fish was when he had his Mitz on for a long time really wants to do and same with geisha and then he drops both

[00:31:56] But yeah it becomes a Spielberg film late for Ben ski dropped out because Gangs in New York ran over and they like the schedule didn't fucking line up and then they pushed it and then The Caprio stayed on and Spielberg took over and the thing got set up

[00:32:11] I think pretty quickly and they were often running It was in one of those you know two movie years for Spielberg. Yeah Yeah, as we probably said already minority port had come out what five months earlier, right? Yeah You know Christmas Day

[00:32:25] Buffalo box office Baffo, right out grosses minority report Which I think was kind of surprising if you were to look at the beginning of that year and go which of these is gonna Be more financially successful because but you know, I mean it was a Christmas movie

[00:32:38] It just had that kind of long, you know nice January to February like run where it's just making money And a big movie star movie like two big movie stars in it You know Hanks is the tail end of his like I'm a giant movie star

[00:32:51] But I mean he's only two years out of cast away right, but I think this is like Right near the end of his run where he has like 10 consecutive hundred million dollar grossers He has like the longest hundred million dollar grosser streak of any actor

[00:33:05] until we'll Smith be Pretty much I think everything after that thing you do until wrote to perdition a hundred Correct, no, we're just made a hundred right. I'm saying the last one. Yeah. Oh Right, this is the last one in the hundred straight

[00:33:21] But I mean if you if you excuse that thing you do in Philadelphia it goes all the way back to a leader there Which is not But this is him taking second billing which is pretty crazy For like, you know kind of he's still America's

[00:33:36] Guy Tommy H. Yeah, but this is a supporting role. He's playing off the ball Which he doesn't usually doesn't usually do but I would say he's both well cast and having fun

[00:33:45] And and it speaks a lot to like Speely and like the wattage of this movie of just like man This movie so big that Hanks is second fiddle. Mm-hmm, you know But let's let's crack into the film. No, no, no dream works the point is dream works

[00:34:00] Based on true story based on a true story that have been novelized by Frank are Autographized by Frank Abagnale in the 80s 1980 Frank Abagnale, Jr. Jr. Yeah Yeah, so it's about a teenager lives in I think like Westchester something a new Rochelle

[00:34:22] Sure, but I want to be specific in New Rochelle Yeah, I mean just your county but this is what this movie is really about those opening credits though great opening credits and like

[00:34:37] Probably at a time where you're like, you know, whatever happened to the opening credit sequence, right? Right these sort of like solzanettes type like, you know like so bad Solvast is a director. Yeah, so bass type or you know, whatever hitch cocky. You know

[00:34:52] Just jazzy and this amazing exciting Johnny Williams tinkling this thing and we were really Williams have been pushing it. You know, it was like Williams had become a little bit one note Maybe I mean the AI scores phenomenal and the minority report scores, but it was a point

[00:35:07] Well, yeah, I mean he turns it around in the year before this But it was like kind of like I get with the fucking William score And he was becoming just like that, you know, he'd just done the Harry Potter theme

[00:35:14] It was like up you need a big fantasy thing right Johnny And then this score is so like light and effortless and jazzy and but also a little haunted It's got it's got a hanging sadness over it, you know

[00:35:29] Opening credit sequence fucking awesome chase sequence like cutout style, you know animation And then we go straight to an episode of to tell the truth Yeah, which is a smart opening. Yeah, really smart and the look is so good. Yes

[00:35:45] He replicates it really well. He intercuts it with real footage of like it's like kitty Carlile asking the question Um a show I really liked I used to watch game show network a lot interesting I never have seen is the idea

[00:35:56] It's like you have to figure out which one of the three is the actual person by asking the questions Correct. It was like match game style a series of celebrity panelists. What do you win? Like some money doesn't seem like a high money game this one

[00:36:08] Uh, yeah, it was if if they don't figure out it's you then I forget how the fuck it works But but it was again celebrity panelists, right? They bring out three people and they go one of these people is this they give them the biography

[00:36:21] And the panelists take turns asking questions of the three of them and seeing who they believe the most And then I think it's either if you're the real person

[00:36:29] They don't figure out you get money or if you lie and you you trick them they get money or whatever the fuck it is, right The the liars are the truth. All are the ones the celebrities are just fucking it's just

[00:36:39] It's kind of interesting because it seems like more of a boring game show but also like educational Yeah, I used to write a thrilling but I was also a boring child

[00:36:46] Like right now there's a game show called the wall that was invented by LeBron James, which is just like Or whatever it's called. It's just a giant like massive Right. Is that what it's called? Uh, uh, Plinko Plink. It's just Plinko. Kruplunk is what you combine those two

[00:37:00] Both marble based yeah, yeah, but Plinko is what you're thinking of Uh, yeah, but no, but to tell the truth is like a conversational like fucking reel of character game show It has a really good theme song and good like a fucking graphics and shit

[00:37:13] Um, and uh, yeah, just like us knowing because it's fucking the caprio and he's the dude above the title We know he's playing the guy that he's the one and the camera kind of holds on him

[00:37:22] Yeah, looking sort of uncomfortable in this situation as they're listing down the announcers going like I pretend to be an airline pilot. It is and that and he's got this far off look right And then we jump to Tommy hey, right

[00:37:37] I mean this movie is like starting off on an interesting note because it's like extended credit sequence the likes of which we rarely see Okay Then a game show sequence, right shot on like fucking like tv video cameras shot on the four three

[00:37:52] Yeah, grainy video camera that clearly takes place after the main narrative of this movie because they're listing everything He's done that we haven't seen yes. Yes. Yes, and then we go to cut to already

[00:38:02] Yeah, right timings is going to visit him and in France french prison to try to extradite him Yep Get him out and he's like the the beginning is rough because he's like coughing and like leo is just has decided like

[00:38:15] I'm gonna cough like my lungs are about to fall out of my mouth. You remember this. Oh, yeah He's like Oh my god, like I don't need I don't need this in my life Uh Right like this is supposed to be a charming christmas movie. Uh the best

[00:38:29] I don't need to pluck lung. Oh, go ahead. The best second teacher I ever worked with a wonderful woman named Elizabeth camp who I owe a lot to

[00:38:36] Uh, I uh was in one of her classes once and they were sort of these dropping classes where it was like people might come for one week They might come for a long time they can been working on something or they can want to work in general

[00:38:46] Crucial information to this anecdote. Yeah, uh, there was a guy who came in once and did I forget what character was We picked a character on the plane. She was always like don't do a scene from the text

[00:38:55] Like improvise a moment as the character do your own bit as the character I don't want to see how well you can read the lines, right? He was playing someone from a play who had disease and he just sat

[00:39:06] On the stage and just did like the fucking leo catch me if you can cough For like 15 minutes and was just like wheezing Jesus and then she like stopped him and she was like Okay, so now we know you can do that

[00:39:22] Did you ever make a lord team? He never made a lady, but I thought it was one of the best like okay. We get it You're showing off like that you can hurt yourself Yeah, that's the thing. It's just like that's not really active, right?

[00:39:34] But in this it works really well Well, yeah Because you have to pass this point of like we know what movie we bought a ticket for it Catch me if you can this is the world's greatest con artist, right?

[00:39:42] If can he's caught he's coughing this much and we know this is the end of the story We know we're seeing something happening except it's not the end of the story Uh-huh

[00:39:50] But because it's media res because the movie is a chase and we're already at the he's caught, right? It's caught. He is post-catch. He's caught. He's caught. Uh-huh rise Um, we uh, we're like, oh boy, maybe he's not fucking

[00:40:05] Fucking messing with him. Maybe this is real cough because it's really uncomfortable. Sure get him to the doctor Hanks is like fucking and is busy like Spielberg like fucking a wonder like frantic handheld camera shit, right?

[00:40:18] And it's like get him here. I've been working my whole fucking career to find this guy Not gonna let him go Yeah, and it's like one continuous shot where they're going over and washing their hands and they go back over into caprio's

[00:40:27] He's out of there, baby. Catch him if you can a really good use of like a wonder Where it's like here's a wonder that plays off at the fact that we know in real time to caprio had to exit the set Yes

[00:40:40] Like like the timing is a good one or two is impressive, you know Um, and then this great thing of like the caprio Beard hair looking horrible hacking coughing Trying very hard to run down the hallways of this french prison and escape and everyone's like cheering him on

[00:40:55] It's like, okay. This guy's the legend Sure at this french prison and they end up catching these two right they knock him down Now the movie goes back to the caprio who at this point in time is 16 But as an actor is oh interesting question 8 29

[00:41:13] I think this is interesting just because He pretty much yeah, he's twin. No, he's not that old. He's like 25. Okay. Yeah. He was born in 74 Yeah, the oldest point of this movie say for the game show. He might be more like 20

[00:41:26] Yeah, he's playing like 19 in this movie most. I mean that's all this really gets right well Yeah, basically. I mean I guess in the the final sequences when he's older I guess he's more in his 20s, but yeah, he's playing a teenager very convincingly

[00:41:41] Incredibly his frame is so much slider. Were we talking about his big head just a second ago? Yes, big head Less big head. Uh-huh. I don't know like Leo's gotten pretty bulky

[00:41:50] He has not fat at all like just sort of like I don't know hurtier. Yeah, you know stockier. Yes And in this he still has more of a boyish trim like in in titanic

[00:41:59] You know, he's a very boyish like look like when you see him with his shirt off, right Which you do right? I mean in romio and juliet you certainly do like, you know, he looks like I mean quintessentially 90s heartthrob floppy hair. Yeah floppy hair skinny

[00:42:13] um, but uh, this is before he starts working aggressively to Fight against his baby ish face. I feel like he pretty shortly after this I mean aviator. He's still Half using it half playing against it and then from that point on like from after 2004

[00:42:30] He wants to look as haunted as possible as raggedy as possible Like I think he had a complex about looking too Sculptural and too boyish, you know because he had this really youthful thing to him It's interesting because this shoots after he makes gangs in new york, right?

[00:42:46] Yeah, especially because they pushed it back and he's bulkier in gangs in new york, although still boyish, but he is more like You know, but you have to think gangs in new york shot in like 2000, right?

[00:42:56] He did like post for a year. They thought it was gonna come out in 2001 They pushed it a full year. He does like this movie in the year between gangs in new york's first release date And it's actual release day. Yeah, so a lot of times pass. Yeah

[00:43:08] Um, yeah, yeah, but they give him a really good teenager haircut Um, and the first time we see him is at the the thing for the dad, right? Is that Yeah, you open on the rotary club giving the dad and walking is the mouse

[00:43:22] Walking is really only in those first like 25 minutes like and then after that he's got two more scenes Like so the beginning is is and like it's just immediately

[00:43:31] You know, like I think the first little thing they do is they walk and put some in the suit and pretends that hasn't pretended These are chauffeur. Yeah when he's going to the you know, trying to get a bank loan. Yeah, and you're just immediately like

[00:43:43] Like something like absolutely dark is happening like you know, yes, this is all fucked up Um, it's and like the dad is kind of good at being like, huh? No, it's fine You know like what are you talking about these things are going great

[00:43:55] It's like incredible layered casting because they Use everything about Christopher walk in including like his persona to the advantage of the movie Which is like here's this guy who's kind of like removed and unknowable But he's weirdly charismatic while also being creepy. Yeah, exactly

[00:44:16] There's just that's why walking is perfect and maybe Ed Harris might not have been like too hard yet He's too hard to like walk in so good at being charming and creepy at the same time

[00:44:26] And you don't know like which and he's not obviously he's not playing her creep He's just playing like someone who's obviously terrible with money and like You know, it's like kind of slippery and like, you know, just sort of probably like up to

[00:44:40] You know, he has his hands in the tail or whatever But you think about this era of walk in before this and certainly for years after this when he's mostly doing like big studio

[00:44:48] Comedies and yes and now and becoming a joke like becoming a meme kind of he is and he's he's playing like Really silly characters like in America sweetheart, so I think is that the year that's the sea before 2001

[00:45:01] Where he's like the crazy director, right? I want to say this is right around the time he did that fat boy slim video I correct weapon of choice is probably like then. Yeah, I think was 2001. I think was the year before it

[00:45:12] Okay, and uh the cowbell sketch was a year before this 2001 was a big year for him Yeah, and weapon of choice is indeed 2001. Yeah, it um came out the day before I was my birthday. Um the day before you're born in 2001 That's right. I am 16 years old. Um

[00:45:29] Talking walking, uh, you know, and he dances in this movie that that was the point I was gonna make you know, like yeah people had rediscovered like oh walking can dance because he like grew up dancing Like he's a great dancer. He was a dancer originally

[00:45:40] But there is that bit where like his main stock and trade at that point was being Funny, yeah, and the comedy was played off of like is this guy in on the joke or not?

[00:45:50] Absolutely, and it was always like I would say for a few years after he's basically doing that like movies like balls of fury Sure the country bears Sure

[00:45:59] Uh and then wedding crashers which has the gall to hire christopher walken and not have him do anything funny for the Entire role in wedding crashers makes no sense is the the martin sheen role in this movie

[00:46:09] You know where it's supposed to be basically someone who has kind of an intimidating Sort of presence except with less jokes because that movie is not funny. Yeah, but also walken is bizarre in that movie

[00:46:20] Bizarre and like you're right horribly cast they don't give him anything to do So it's distracting that a guy that weird Defense or something right? He's got One good moment in that film like one funny moment. It's clearly a choice. He made as an actor

[00:46:35] It's when he goes into the bedroom after isla fisher has fucking tied vince von up to the bed post and tried to like rape him Which is oh, and then the sun tries to rape him too

[00:46:44] Let's let's move on just move. It's a bad move. He goes into the room to talk to vince von And pays no mind to the fact that oh, yeah, that's actually very funny And while he's talking to him, he just rests his hand on the tie

[00:46:57] Uh the rope that's tied his arm to the bed post and just sort of stroke Because at this point isla fisher has left the room, I believe right and his son who also all right All right, all right

[00:47:06] He makes one funny choice as an actor and other than that that character has no fucking jokes Click though that click though Um remember he's in click. Yes, but that's the thing like all the the christer walken comedy persona was like

[00:47:18] Okay, is this guy a child or is he a sociopath? Like it's like which is he you know, is he oblivious? Is he a babe in the woods and that's why it's funny

[00:47:26] Or is there something sinister about him and the whole key to this movie is that it's like The dad has to be kind of pathetic kind of alluring and a little bit unknowable Uh agreed agreed and he does a wonderful job

[00:47:37] And we immediately see just like leo adores this Leo adores him and they have this scene where they recount this Obviously frequently recounted family story of how the parents met You know and it's the one moment where they seem genuinely sweet like together

[00:47:54] But it also it's like an echo obviously because like you know, shit's probably Shit is obviously falling apart. Well, and it's also that's where he dips her and and leo's just so like

[00:48:03] Entranced by that. Yeah, he's just like staring. I mean, it's it's like this movie the first 15 minutes gives you so many shots of leo Looking at chris for walk in as if it's like richard gear seeing julia roberts appear from the top of the stairs

[00:48:16] And pretty woman, you know, yeah, absolutely But then there's there's things that I like are you know, obviously So you've got walken being you know a little shady and working these like minor

[00:48:26] Weird hustles to get rent a suit, you know, right exactly the fact that he puts that much energy into getting a suit so that the sun And I like his weird thing about like, you know why the Yankees win because the pinstripes and then he

[00:48:36] Leo repeats that to Tom Hanks. I was like what no making an awful Which was leo's first guess and the dad's like no pinstripes and leo's like right pinstripes. I knew it Um, but of course, I mean what his dad is teaching there is something that

[00:48:51] Frank abitnail then big, you know junior begins to copy right which is essentially if you dress the part People probably are 90 of the way to believing that you are the part. Yes

[00:49:00] And uh, obviously what leo's got going for him is that he is incredibly boyishly handsome and not Weird christopher walken one. It's also a movie star movie like, you know, hey everyone take out your web connected devices and google frank abitnail right now

[00:49:15] And marvel at how little he looks like Leonardo DiCaprio, right? Right and in real life the real frank abitnail clearly because he didn't have Those features. Yeah had to like really fucking just use his smarts and his charisma without immediately being able to row people in

[00:49:30] Just from his visage, right? Right, right? But in a movie where you need to like tell a story quickly It's like you need someone like Leonardo DiCaprio who not only has that like thousand watt like, you know

[00:49:42] Fucking movie star charge but also that face where it's like when he shows up on screen Of course, you're gonna pay attention to this guy. Yeah um But this movie is about among other things Uh, uh confidence as a currency Absolutely

[00:49:56] That's like the big thing that it's got going on and of course that is the sort of yin yang Happening with tom hanks's character handwriting right where it's like which is one thing

[00:50:05] I love is like you've got this movie star movie with leo being a big movie star Right, you can take another movie star and you turn him into like the biggest dork you can like

[00:50:12] I mean and hanks is hilariously buttoning everything down and just being a he's a he's a party pooper And not only is he like the biggest movie star, but he's like america's dad

[00:50:22] Like he's the guy where it's like hanks is always this voice of reason you always want to root for him He always just seems like a good american guy except in this he's like a divorce kind of miserable little bummer like every season is a bummer

[00:50:33] In the bank fraud department who wants to be in the bank fraud department Like part of the joke is like everyone else is like being punished by like the fbi

[00:50:41] For fucking up somehow else like even like wrote to predictions the year before this and he plays like a mobster same year same year 2002 oh you're right. Yes. Uh, it's like in fact. It was pretty recently. Yeah, right? It's like a november

[00:50:53] No, no it was a summer release. I came out in july You're right. That was the time you could still release that movie in the summer that movie in which it is constantly raining Yes, and and like shot like a 30s serial

[00:51:04] They really sit on like big willy weekend. It's a witt movie a witt movie. It's a witt movie Um What I was going to say is in that movie he plays someone who has murdered people and it's easier to root for him in that

[00:51:18] Movie than this movie. Absolutely in that movie. You're like murder those people tom hanks But it also is like they position him in that movie is like well, he's a criminal but also deep down. He's tom hanks Yeah, and it's actually what's

[00:51:31] It's the flaw with rutch-prudish. Even though I think he's actually quite good in rutch-prudish I do too. This movie is like really dampening tom hanks though. It's like wait. Why do I usually root for this guy?

[00:51:40] Like it's a great character actor performance to kind of root for him Like there is something about it like you do want him to get him Well, here's the thing I love you want him to get him because

[00:51:49] You want him together shit leo's a piece of shit, but he doesn't know what he's doing I mean, he's you know, he's like a wild right leo's a piece of shit in the movie He's doing so many fucking shitty things to everyone around him

[00:51:57] But he's so much fun to watch right is and you're just like He's gonna catch him again and he's going. Hanks, you know is morally right and he's an inevitability, right?

[00:52:08] And so like you want him to catch him because it's like this guy should be caught but on the other hand It's like this guy's a fucking bummer. He's a bummer and nobody likes him bummer right and and there's big that no one likes Nobody enjoys him

[00:52:19] I mean there's that very funny scene early on where he's like I have a joke for you knock knock Go fuck yourself go fuck yourself and then you see him repeat it, but they don't do the

[00:52:27] They cut from knocking out which is a great edit Hanks character sort of represents like responsibility, right? We all have to be a responsible person at some point and you're you're building up my hot tick

[00:52:38] I'm getting to hear the thing about the movie is that it's not about that at all. I disagree but we'll build to that Okay Um I mean I know what you mean, but the movie is also about like, you know what in america if you're good at something

[00:52:50] It doesn't matter how many laws you break like you will succeed I once again, I think it's confidence as a currency sure that in a country I mean he's good at the thing at the end like it's not just confidence like he knows

[00:53:04] How to forge a check better than anyone in the world? Sure, you know and that's a skill in our capitalist society. It's an acquired skill Yeah, you know as a byproduct because he's built up some anyway

[00:53:16] But you look at the beginning of the movie when you know his first con he pulls is and we're getting You know early on this looming thing of walking making these offhand references to the irs, right walking to making these offhand

[00:53:27] But he's also sort of vaguely teaching leo that art of persuasion, right? And and he's brushing off the irs stuff, but this is like okay. Here's a tangible real world thing That is capable of killing

[00:53:40] The power of his confidence sure right like he goes into the bank and they're just like these numbers don't lie And he's doing all his walk any tricks and they're like, yeah, but you're being audited by the art

[00:53:50] Yeah, we can't get around like and every time it comes up the wife gets a little uncomfortable, right? Um this scene where they have to downgrade a lot, right? They move from their nice house

[00:54:01] They sell the car, you know all this shit and they moved to the apartment and they're bummed out And now leo has to go to a new school and he goes to the new school wearing his fucking like private school Like a square

[00:54:12] And they make fun of him So then he decides like you know what when he's trying to talk to a nice girl at the locker You know what? I'm just gonna pretend i'm a i'm a teacher and he fucking does it right he fucking does it, right?

[00:54:22] That's his first kind It's a it is a really good scene though when he does that because it's like a weird little fantasy that you didn't know You had like oh, what if I could have done that and the substitute teacher walks in she's great

[00:54:32] Who is that he's lucky that on the day the real teacher is called out and when the substitute teacher comes in He just doesn't even hesitate for a second. He's just like i'm sorry. They made you calm a little way here

[00:54:41] and I don't know what I'm saying. That's true And uh, you know then I think hard cut to uh the parents Meeting with the principal and you think that he's gonna say like hey

[00:54:51] We just busted your son doing this and said he's like your son's been doing this for the last two weeks You know, yeah, it's like he's successfully He's like planning a trip right right like to a school trip to the

[00:55:03] I can't like a french bread factory which I love that this movie kind of presents him as like fully formed It's not like the first time he has a lie Right and then he's like aha

[00:55:13] No, but the thing about it as well is that I like that he's good at his cons like isn't really good at this It's not just that he's good at pretending like then he's like a decent wrench teacher who wants to take them to the french bread factory

[00:55:25] Right like he commits Right and you see that again and again like he commits to the being a lawyer He passes the bar like you know, he doesn't really know much past the veneer But he like wants to be like good at the job

[00:55:37] Well, it's so much less about the money for him than it is about the status Yeah, and he wants people to look at him that way, you know Like he wants the power and the respect of being someone who has risen to a position

[00:55:53] That takes years to get to yeah, and so he wants to like pass Yeah, you know right exactly. Yeah, it's also a little bit about the trick though, right? It's a little bit about the thrill of the magic trick and you're never gonna reveal

[00:56:07] Right, like what's really going on and you know frank abagnale himself I mean this is more truly has talked about like look I was a kid I was having sex with girls like this was great

[00:56:15] Like you know like once he really got into the whole you know check Uh You know paper or whatever they call it like yeah in this movie like playboy Look they they give you the early moment

[00:56:25] But I think you know he sold the book and then had no Corresponds with them. I you know he like once he sold the book Didn't read the script. I had no approval It was not really a consultant or anything

[00:56:37] And he was like I didn't know what they did until I saw them from the time I sold the book And so they definitely took what they wanted from his story and like reframed it in ways He said that he never saw his dad after he left home

[00:56:46] Interesting But he was like but the things they added are kind of a really good depiction of what was going on in my head Sure, but like that is such a Spielberg thing to you know focus in on

[00:56:56] I'm sure Spielberg read the script and it was like the dad is so crazy. What's crazy is he's like Yeah, they hit on it. That's like a deeper truth Even it feels like a Spielberg contrivance

[00:57:03] But he's like that was the root of what was going on here, right? Still Spielberg contrived 100% Um, but uh, yeah, so he goes on the French trip or he gets busted doesn't matter. Yes, right and um Then his parents fall for divorce

[00:57:17] You know, he's already sleeping. He's already figured out that his mom's sleeping with James Brolin The scene's really fucking well done and and a lot alarming. Yeah Like, you know, both of those scenes are alarming the scene where he comes home and he realizes what's going on

[00:57:28] And then the scene where he comes home and they're like, ha look, it's fine. They're getting divorced You just need to write down here which parent you want to live with it's not a test It's not a big deal

[00:57:36] Like and the framing is really similar between the two scenes I think it's almost the exact same shot Between the scene where he comes home and James Brolin walks out And he's like what the fuck is this guy doing here and quickly puts it together

[00:57:48] And the scene where he comes home and the divorce lawyer comes out. Yeah And so when the divorce lawyer comes out, it's like is this another guy my mom's sleeping with? Is this an irs guy?

[00:57:59] Like which thing is this and then it's like no, it's the third thing you hadn't even anticipated Um really good fucking Spielberg wonner on the Brolin Where they've been so big so big and he like I just mean wide like and he exactly he just sort of like

[00:58:14] He's always standing and Leo's sitting a lot of the time. It's just like imposing and Yeah, but most of that sequence plays out in this one Wide shot with all three of them in frame moving around so you really get the sense and like

[00:58:28] Brolin and the mom are moving around a lot trying to overcompensate and make it all look normal Even through when Brolin leaves and it's just her talking to Leo and Leo once he puts it together

[00:58:38] Just sits down in the chair and does this like fucking middle distance there Where he's just like not gonna cry not gonna yell not gonna not fucking happy Um, it's like really good physical acting. Okay. Let's move forward parents get divorced

[00:58:52] They go you have to pick a person pick a person pick a person. Okay. Okay. We gotta move forward great French grandma there. Don't you remember her she's talking to friends. She's good

[00:59:00] I mean I when I said I said to join him I wish I had a scary french grandma I think Griffin had a scary french grandma. I kind of yeah, you're in a french grandma kind of okay fair enough

[00:59:10] French on the my mom's father. I see my grandmother pretended she was french Once she moved to France, but I have a lot of creepy old french ladies. I met like that through my mom Um, and then he just runs he runs and not long later

[00:59:24] He figures out that like It's the 60s and one of the most glamorous jobs in the world is an airline pilot Because his dad gives him a checkbook and he's just sort of running off of writing checks

[00:59:33] Before people realize he doesn't he's making checks and then he figures out like yeah He's using real checks, but with no money now listen kiddies. All right now before the internet God damn it bad for the you know computers right ruled everything

[00:59:48] You could just write a check and they would take days for that to reach the bank Yeah, none of this lucas venmo stuff. Yep And you could just be a scammer man checks the original venmo Um

[01:00:03] And yeah, he realizes that like in the 60s, you know when commercial Flights are a pretty new thing. You know and a really hitting vogue and becoming more accessible Glamorous and stewardesses are super glamorous and pan am is a super glamorous brand

[01:00:19] That's what he's gonna do sure and then he also quickly realizes like you put a fucking pan am logo on a check You can get more money. Yes. Well, it's that he goes to the hotel and goes like do you cash checks?

[01:00:30] We don't we don't need to recount every little bit of the scam Go on We cash up to you know 100 dollars, but if it's a it's a payroll check. We'll go up to 300 I always do you just like the airplane the toy airplane?

[01:00:44] I mean, I love that it's good to get the little pan am in the bathtub that image like always It's a good stock with there's a lot of terrific images in this movie now This movie is shot by yinush and just classic yinush yinush style

[01:00:55] Fucking pulls a light through the windows like those classroom scenes. Yeah, he's just he can't he can't help it He can't help himself, but this movie should have a different look

[01:01:04] It doesn't you know what I mean? Yeah, this movie should probably have more of like a vintage g60s Look, it doesn't really well What I find fascinating about the look of this movie is from an art direction standpoint very bright colors

[01:01:16] Right very poppy. Yeah from a some of these standpoint washed out dark muted Chateau we you know natural light much less like you know sort of gauzy like studio lighting Right like he's putting a cloud over the natural sunlight of what's going on in these scenes

[01:01:33] Look, I mean I voting the thing is like this sort of The thing we're not talking about in this Spielberg that we've identified is like I mean he starts with schindler's list, but it's also like Spielberg and yinush Like you know and yinush is like this

[01:01:47] This sad weird polish dude who Spielberg meets and he's like Spielberg's like I'm gonna make this movie and yinush is like But sad, you know like he just comes in and he's like mute like shall we like you know

[01:01:58] Let's let's make everything a little more melancholy, but Spielberg also. I mean he's in his he is He's in his he's in a sad or little period are sad. Is this his blue period? Yeah um And so yeah, he quickly becomes an airline pilot

[01:02:14] And and Spielberg throws out the first of his or no, it's the second of his Uh this movie he like called shots on like four to five Actresses who would blow up later. It's crazy. It's crazy. We have a little thing. She tries to run

[01:02:29] A check scam on it works. It works. She's the one Lizzie banks in her two scenes that laugh Yeah, that laugh though. Yeah that laugh same year. She's in spider-man right so yes She's you know you're after wet. You're after a sea you're before sea biscuit. Um, um

[01:02:46] He's got uh, we've got ellen Pompeo of gray's anatomy as a stewardess who he Fucks back in the time when I thought she was going to be one of america's great character actresses And instead just got stuck on a medical drama for 20 seven

[01:02:59] She was because she was cut out of eternal sunshine. What else was she cut out of that was the year where she was cut out of two Oh dare devil. She's cut out of dare devil. Yeah, she's barely in and she's inferno

[01:03:07] No, no, no, but they cut that's what I'm saying. They cut a huge amount of her right and then she's really good in old school God, I haven't seen old school in a long time. It's not a movie. I'm fond of I like that movie a lot

[01:03:19] I think that's like the one movie after ragging on wedding crashers That's the one movie of that wave that I think is still really strong right um, and she's really really good Um

[01:03:31] And it just felt like she had bigger things ahead of her and then look she made an ass load of money And she's had fucking steady work. Hey, it was fucking rich but she like doesn't do anything off of the crazy anatomy

[01:03:40] You know that's what happens. It's one of those bombers um And uh who amy-adams will get to her and jen garner and jennifer garner who was already on alias and spielberg shot this like the middle of first season

[01:03:51] I want to scene with jenny garner. Yeah, honestly. I don't like that scene We'll get to that scene. We will Yeah, I think we I want to talk about it briefly. Okay. Well, let's move it along then

[01:04:01] If you want to talk about that scene then let's move it along I always had remembered her performance being really bad in this movie Like I remember seeing it in theaters and being like she's really badness

[01:04:09] It's fine. And then I watched it last night and I kind of think she's pretty good in it It's okay um The thing that threw me off as a child is that I was like she doesn't seem confident enough for this role

[01:04:22] Like it feels like a kid playing dress up Where I don't buy her being as uh powerful as the characters present to be And now I watch it and I'm like, oh, she's playing a child

[01:04:33] That's the whole point is that she's like the female version of that. That's how I always took the cap It's like he's running into himself

[01:04:40] But like the vulnerability and the uneasiness is baked into the cake and that scene is essentially like a fucking duel between two bullshit artists Who are both like kids trying to play in a grown-up world of what their currencies are

[01:04:54] Yeah, and hers is her physical appearance and his is his confidence. I mean also his physical but um Anyhow Yeah He starts around the airline scam and it just it grows from there. Okay. He

[01:05:07] Goes to do the interview he gets all the information for them pretending to be a school reporter And then he finds out where they get their suits made and he goes and goes I lost it

[01:05:15] It's just like a really smart process thing of like you see every bit of how he figures out what he needs In order to pull this off And it's interesting because that's the early part of the movie

[01:05:23] Where we're learning his craft and then the later that means the later part of the movie when he is You know making huge jump graduating to more outrageous schemes like we get it like he's got the money We understand how meticulous he is

[01:05:35] We understand the types of routes he would take to pull these things off You have that but then and so then in parallel where we're tom hanks, you know who's Tracking this guy right because there's a big gap with no hangs

[01:05:47] A decent sized gap like pretty early chunk of the french prison and then he's not in it for like 20 minutes after that That's correct And then he's back once the crime starts to ramp up and they're like this guy best fake checks we've ever seen

[01:05:57] Yeah, really good fake checks And they track him to a hotel and you get that early scene where they meet each other great scene Where leo essentially runs the sort of like

[01:06:07] He runs the same fucking scheme an inception. What the hell do they call it an inception of the football? Yeah, the thing where yeah exactly. Yeah, where you're just like, oh, yeah. No, I'm with you

[01:06:16] Yeah, where is that guy right? You know like and hanks is like right And that's good though because then they have that early like adversarial like establishment One I love that like the movie was like pitched as like tanks versus de caprio

[01:06:32] The title is catch me if you can the poster is two blurry bodies like running so fast He can barely catch them both in the poster and then the movie gives you like a it opens with like him already caught

[01:06:43] Right and then the first time we actually like they cross paths within the main narrative of the film It's like they're right there. They're in the same room. Yep. He fucking has early

[01:06:53] Right, and you just probably 45 minutes into the movie. Maybe like yeah, right to a two hour 20 minute movie The beginning of his chase Uh, yeah, he's nabbed him. Mm-hmm and de kebra gets out of that and you realize just how powerful this guy is Mm-hmm

[01:07:08] And of course then that gives you that gives you a reason to understand why a handwriting is uh really hell bent on getting it Because it's all it once again confidence is a currency. He's embarrassed now Uh, yeah

[01:07:22] He's got to prove this because this is such a fucking like stain on his resume He looks like a goddamn idiot. Yeah being in the same room as a 17 year old And being content of thinking that he's secret service Right. Yeah, so he now is fighting for confidence

[01:07:39] True to believe in himself again. You're really in on this confidence idea confidence is a currency bro Fair enough. Um, but but yeah, de cap's got to pivot, right? Got to pivot because they all know about this fucking airline dude

[01:07:52] There's even a scene where he goes back to the dude that he's been interviewing for the school paper And he's like, yeah, this fucking dude is driving us crazy. Yeah going all these airlines everything but our airline

[01:08:04] Right and you're just like, oh, he's been working this for months But it's still going back to the twa guy and getting information out of him, which I love Yeah, I love that like he doesn't stop like okay. I know everything. He's like I gotta always be learning

[01:08:15] I can always be better. ABL right. What's a better typewriter? I can get to make better fake checks Like it's it this dude is meticulous about his craft. Sure, right? Okay Uh, this is all built up to my what's your big point? Oh my god

[01:08:31] um, and uh, I think pretty shortly after this right it's like There's uh, you see his crazy like fucking beach house now And he's got all these people over and it's the life that everyone would like dream of right? Right. There's the same spawn thing Which is cute

[01:08:47] Uh, yeah, although I mean whatever the joke is of course that like Half of it is he's this particular comment and half of it is like a kid So he like gives himself all these comic book names as aliases Barry Allen Frank Connors, which is you know

[01:09:04] Like uh hurt Connors. I always assumed I have actually I don't know who Frank Frank Connors is the name of a Connors. I assumed he was being the lizard. I mean, oh, maybe dr. Connors Yeah, sure. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. He's always frank or he's usually frank

[01:09:17] um And uh, then but then also yeah, he watches like James Bond He's like I want to suit mish moneyprenny and uh, he watches the lawyer show Is it Perry Mason? Kilgore whatever the you know, Dr. Kilgore is the medical show and that's very

[01:09:31] The do you concur right? Right. Yes, and uh, then Perry Mason for you know all that he's like He's still a kid. I mean and that's halfway through the movie. That's what tom hanks like cracks open is like

[01:09:42] Oh, this is a teenager. That's why I don't get this guy And that's also why it's the perfect like he's super connors because he has no fucking record Exactly. That's why he doesn't show up anywhere. And that's why like yeah

[01:09:54] And de caprio like threads this really good needle of like believably playing a 17 year old But also playing a 17 year old who convincingly enough plays a 28 year old that you can buy him as both in the moment Why he's well cast Yep, well cast Yep

[01:10:11] So at a certain point he uh, as things move along he gets his beach house Oh, I just want to I wanted to say the thing I like about the James Bond thing is Spielberg always famously wants to direct James Bond

[01:10:21] Movie, uh-huh really badly. Uh-huh even after like Jaws and the closing powers of big success and the broccolis Who owned James Bond would never let him do it

[01:10:29] They don't let americans and it was like this moment where he was like, what do I have to fucking prove to make a James Bond with that's all I want to do is make a James Bond movie

[01:10:36] It's not about that like the broccolis want people that you know they can control right They don't really want somebody who's gonna like do a whole fancy thing

[01:10:43] But he was like really torn up over like what do I need to do to win over the broccolis and his buddy George Lucas Georgie Porgy is like I got something better for you right James Bond with a whip Okay

[01:10:56] Moving on I like him getting to do a little bond It's my point because it feels like him being like I got to do two seconds of his beach house. He becomes a doctor

[01:11:05] Well, he's got all this money all these people are over and he's just like stressed out about them dealing with all his shit Sure, why does he go to the hospital in the first place? He's looking for somebody

[01:11:12] I don't think it's even really clear. He just he just goes to a hospital. He's talking to her He's using me Adams. He's very talking to me Adams. She's got the braces and he's like learning the system from her

[01:11:22] And then he's like got any jobs here and she's like, yeah, and he's like i'm a doctor You know like and so then he's decided to be a doctor Well, I think A these are the days where you can just print a fucking

[01:11:32] Diploma and like it'd be hard to prove that you weren't a Harvard graduate or whatever. It's so hard to get the technology It's not like today where it's like you can make anything in photoshop It's like who would take the time to make a fake diploma that's so

[01:11:42] That's so like costly Then it is like but that is the classic thing of like most of the 20th thing of flim flams You know like paper moon scams like all that shit like it was so many details

[01:11:53] Like who would take the time to make this shit up? um, the big thing in the amy Adams scene though the first scene is that Uh, we see him at this house with a bunch of people who are older than him

[01:12:03] Right and they're all like fun and francy free and he's just like he's like don't break anything Nerves like I fucking I don't know how to like let go right and the thing he's immediately attracted to in amy Adams is She's got braces

[01:12:17] And I think that's like he because it's like well He's he wants to talk about it because he just got his off and he's a kid. Yeah, and he's like he's like Yeah, yeah, it still feels weird under my I still have to wear a retainer

[01:12:28] And she's someone who's nervous and uncomfortable in her job that she's gonna fuck up And as much as confidence is his currency He obviously has to live with that fear at all times

[01:12:36] And he clearly can't relate to adults and then he meets her and it's just like a I need to be near her Be I guess doctors cooler than pilot, right? Sure. So this is this makes us hard

[01:12:44] Just the second act of the movie is him being like maybe I can play family right like I think it's a five act movie. But yeah

[01:12:52] Okay, fine. What is okay four act first act? I think is up until he runs away second act is second act is pilot Third act is romance, you know, whatever settling down

[01:13:02] And then the fourth act is your conclusion, you know, you're getting caught and reforming doctor right, right? I don't know something like that. But um, so in trying to settle down with her, right? I mean, my martin sheen who is

[01:13:15] So good in this movie such a great like what's he in five scenes like yeah, if even yeah just So good at being equally like very threatening and sort of like You know seems almost like he completely knows what's going on right away

[01:13:30] That's so oblivious, but also oblivious and like warm and father figure, you know like ultimate father figure So it's like you immediately can see why frank would be like I have to satisfy this man

[01:13:41] I'm a lawyer too. We're like, you know, like well martin sheen's just one of those fucking steady hand actors When he shows up in a movie you're like, okay, I can sit back

[01:13:49] This guy's got me, you know, like nothing's gonna fucking fall as long as he's on screen And also, uh from like his fucking breakout in badlands, you know

[01:13:58] Through to like he's doing west wing at the same time as this whether he's playing a guy in the right side of the law The wrong side of the law an adversary your hero

[01:14:06] He's just a guy where you're kind of just innately drawn to him and rooting for him, you know Like there's something just really compelling and authoritative about him Regardless of what he's actually fighting for

[01:14:16] So he said like he needed a guy who just the second he showed up on screen. You're like, oh He's been able to like fucking go face to face with tom hanks and like out with him

[01:14:25] But martin sheen shows up on screen. You're like, that's gonna be tough to get one over on sheen And you immediately feel that you're like this might be the roadblock, you know, yeah Well, that's everyone that scene where first he asks the uh

[01:14:38] I mean, what was his little dog's name question? And then when when frank say ask him to marry him, right? I mean frank's asking to marry brenda and he does this moment where he tries to come clean because he drops the act

[01:14:49] And he's like i'm just a kid who loves your daughter, but of course, I mean it's one of those no clever little movie You're romantic Can we talk about amy-am's performance? She's wonderful. I mean unbelievable in this movie. I mean

[01:15:01] Hot take pretty good actress. I mean, she's like one of if not my favorite living actress Hey also a cutie pie. Yes. Oh boy. Yes. She's a cutie pie

[01:15:11] I mean she'd been in drop dead gorgeous and uh in um, what's it called psycho beach party like she was sort of like This You know, indie actress you noticed I did a lot of tv

[01:15:23] She's in an episode of buffy. She'd been in smallville. I remember like she would pop We looked it up. She was on like a couple sitcoms too She was in the cruel intentions pilot that got turned into a movie called cruel intentions too

[01:15:33] Which was like a softcore movie they like took the 45 minutes of the pilot and they put some porn in it They put like a weird they put like topless sisters making out in the shower I thought it was a good idea to do a cruel intentions tv show

[01:15:44] No, no, and they're trying to do it again now. Do you know that? Oh, of course I know and now they're doing a fucking musical. Maybe let that thing lie. Yeah, maybe yeah forget it Put it on ice put it on ice

[01:15:55] So then this year she always talks about that. No, I meant like put it on ice like cruel intentions on ice Oh, yeah, no, that's a good idea. Ben. Yes five comedy points. Um, or five entrepreneur points Shut up crazy people Maybe you're the crazy one

[01:16:10] Well, so I mean I've heard that like it was one of those things Spielberg just loved the audition and gave it to her over like More famous actresses. Yes 100% there was someone who is close But she's got single cart billing in this movie right with like heavy hitters

[01:16:27] You know, you look at the opening credits decaps Hanks fucking sheen Natalie bae who plays the mom or walking obviously Natalie bae who plays the mom is like a huge actor actor in france, right?

[01:16:39] And then like Amy Adams and you're like that's big for like an unknown actress to have like solo curtain Yeah, crazy in the billing order. I mean she's in a chunk of the movie. Oh, yeah

[01:16:49] Yeah, I'm just saying this is a big step. Yes. Yeah. Yeah now your argument is Isn't it funny that this wasn't her breakout role in a weird sort of a way because it was a huge hit of a movie

[01:16:59] And I feel like I talked to people about how good she is and how consistently good She's been and I go catch me if you can and they go who was she and catch me if you can

[01:17:05] I go she's like the late female. She's like no that's stupid. Nobody thinks that people know She's in catch me if you can right talk to a lot of people who forget that it's her

[01:17:13] I've got a hot take for you. Those people are stupid. I agree stupid people. I agree This weird thing is she doesn't really do anything after this for a while two years fucking nothing But then suddenly she's in everything so maybe it was just some weird

[01:17:27] Slow, but where then suddenly she was getting a zillion projects at the same time because she's in talladega nights She's in junebug. She's in like the wedding date, you know, like she like suddenly is like Pop pop pop doesn't do anything for two years after this

[01:17:41] Then does just tv and an indie movie I've never heard of and then the year after that is the wedding date Which is like a fucking debba messing vehicle, right? Leave debba messing alone

[01:17:51] Junebug which you know hindsight's 2020 but on paper wasn't like oh, this is a slam dunk This is what you get after no, but it had a sort of semi like serious cast So maybe you're you know, but yes for sure and great script

[01:18:04] But first time director who knew I one of my favorite movies of the decade. I love that movie I like that movie. I think she's wonderful. I think she's wonderful. I think that movie is a masterpiece

[01:18:13] Yeah, I watched it a lot. Uh, I think I think it's a really underrated movie crazy. Um, and and then it's like Okay Underdog best supporting actress contender, right? But still that movie didn't do a lot of box office

[01:18:25] She's kind of like a hot buzzy actress. Yeah, but she won like a ton of critics awards I mean at that point she was right, you know, but then but it was like is she gonna be a character actress

[01:18:33] Then she starts appearing and everything and she starts doing fucking Talida good nights But these supporting roles and everything and then enchanted is a big deal that she gets that over bigger It's kind of a less actresses. She's great. Disney anoints her and then she's a movie star

[01:18:45] It just took a while it took five years after You know, I think you can to become like a big studio leading actress put the work in All I'm trying to say is careers are really long and it's really interesting to watch like it is

[01:18:58] Amy Adams gets plucked from security in a Spielberg movie knocks it out of the park And still it takes five years before she might have had to work as a waitress after being in this movie

[01:19:06] She might have had to work part-time at the Disney store just like me Yeah, you guys are all out of your minds. I mean, I'm just phenomenal in this one. She's 42 now. So, you know

[01:19:14] Like it took her a while. Yeah, great in this movie. I love her in this. Uh, I think it's a great performance. Um, I think uh One line delivery alone announces her as you're not a Lutheran. Yeah, great line delivery That's such a sad scene. Yeah

[01:19:31] You know, I mean, you know, because he you know builds this con he becomes a lawyer He's gonna settle down with her. He gets caught obviously, you know, and so he's fleeing. He's like it's a great thing

[01:19:41] Like that expertly choreographed with leo where he's like you would trust me if I you know, you know Everyone has secrets and he pops open the briefcase full of money dollars are literally flying out

[01:19:50] I mean, there's that great shot where a little the dollar bill like flies past Uh, Tommy so many nicely like that also that shot of all like the guns dancing. Yeah, love that shot. Yeah, ha But um the little snub noses

[01:20:03] Um, but that scene where he's bidding her goodbye and you know, that's You know, you know, that's it, but he's so pretending I mean, I know if he wants to believe like she's gonna run away with him But like it's ridiculous

[01:20:14] And he's like you'll meet me like, you know, they keep saying like uh two days 10 a.m Miami you'll drive through the night And I like that the scene you don't see is

[01:20:23] Her clearly telling the parents them being like you have to tell the cops sure right and then them setting them up at the airport Whatever we just jumped from we just get it. Yeah Um, because he's like leaving this trail of destruction in his wake

[01:20:36] You know the movie is not about those people even if he's He's ruining lives Yeah I mean a lot of the crimes he commits are victimless crimes Like a lot of the crimes he's literally just defrauding banks and airplane companies like

[01:20:47] Okay, you know whatever like I mean no one's really gonna root against this guy Yeah, but that fucking haunts him because he actually was in love with this woman Like that wasn't a con This one is brutal He actually wants to sell that with that woman

[01:20:57] I mean it's the only reason he's sticking I mean he should have just kept moving on right like, you know, papering money all over the place. Yeah Um, I I just think I mean as he says I have millions of dollars

[01:21:08] Like we can just go away and live forever like you know on this money Right and it elevates this movie to have a performance that strong in that character and To have her be such a sad nuanced character She's so sad I mean she doesn't play it

[01:21:22] This is a performance I feel like a lot of actors would play condescendingly Because she's kind of simple and a babe in the woods and childlike, you know But that's what draws them closer together. I love the implication that she's older than him

[01:21:35] We don't get a specific game She's had an abortion. She's like right that backstory that scene is so fucking well done. Yeah where he's just like Why don't we just get married? Right and it's not like him trying to like placate her. He's like

[01:21:48] We all do things we're not proud of like he just like I'm a liar Like why would I ever hold anything against you? Yeah, I mean it's it's I love that he's no judge for why she would be immediately drawn to him as well

[01:21:58] Like, you know as someone who's like totally forgiving and non-judgmental and he's like the one person who like kind of respects her Like you can tell she's been like her parents fucking disown her He's so respectable in his bullshit that they believe in her again

[01:22:12] Right, right, right and it's like yeah, I just think it's a heartbreaking character an amazing performance. Mm-hmm So now we we've forgotten to Acknowled two recurring threads that have been set up

[01:22:23] One is that this movie is taking place over years with Christmas day always as this kind of landing point And the idea is that every Christmas Frank gets lonely and calls Carl hand ready

[01:22:33] Right and and then Carl calls him on it says like you don't have anyone to talk to right I'm the only one you can talk to is the most scared he ever is in the entire right But also the phone immediately as as the movie going on

[01:22:44] We're figuring out like oh also call hand ready has no one to talk to on Christmas He has like this daughter who he lives with the mother and like you know, obviously he works too much And he's got a wedding ring and we'll ask about it

[01:22:56] But he's like I don't have a fan, you know And he goes well, I have a family my daughter's for but he keeps on kind of Brushing it off and the other thing is Leo keeps on going back Intermittently to see his father

[01:23:10] And all he wants is his father to be impressed Well to be impressed and he wants to like rebuild the broken family He thinks that if he can make his father great again, then the mother will come

[01:23:20] He keeps coming back and acting like it's been a week since they broke up, right You know, and he's like well, have you seen her and that's like You gotta win her back remember that girl at the bar She moved in with this other guy, right?

[01:23:31] And I mean and then in that second scene which is the last Emmy season when when he's now a mailman Right and he says like tell me to stop like yeah, I don't want to do this

[01:23:40] Like tell me to stop doing this and instead walking is just like Having a great time, huh? Yeah, like where are you going and just changes the subject talks about fucking whatever. He's so good in this Leo keeps on Presenting into him as he's actually doing these jobs

[01:23:53] And like you can't bullshit a bullshitter walk knows exactly what's going on And so he's never Impressed in the way that leo wants him to be The moment that he's proudest of his son is when he sees that everyone at the fancy restaurant is looking at him

[01:24:05] You know, yes, absolutely because that's all he's ever wanted is the confidence in the respect of others But he doesn't respect him as if he is a doctor or a lawyer or an airline pilot because he knows

[01:24:16] That's fucking bullshit even though leo never lets it on until the very end Right the scene where he makes him recount the story of meeting the mom at the bar And walking gets choked up is like an uncharacteristically vulnerable moment in a walk in performance

[01:24:27] Which I really think is like what made him such a firebrand Oscar player this year because that's like a side we'd never really seen before of just him being just like broken Yeah, you know, yeah, like dear hunters like crazy

[01:24:42] Broken. Yeah, and this is just like he's just a sad broken man He's you know a fucked up guy and that's seen where he's like dad What are you wearing? You can't let mom see you in this and he's just like it's over

[01:24:51] Like I'm a fucking old guy. What am I gonna say it like that exactly He just kind of like gently and then he'll like you say you'll sort of switch the subject to being like

[01:24:59] So what are you doing? You know, well, he's the kind of bullshitter who's like You look at how resigned he is when he goes to the bank and they're like irs is investigating you

[01:25:06] We can't do this but also how resigned he is when tom hanks shows up and he's like Yeah, if you're gonna arrest me, can I change my suit at least please like, you know

[01:25:13] He's a guy who always knew that it was going to catch up with him someday And when he goes like yeah, I had to close the store for a little bit was getting hot Whatever, you know the caprio thinks he's never gonna get caught

[01:25:23] True. He wants to be a greater man than his father He wants to believe that there's no way he will ever be in a position that they can't talk his way up What can I tell you? So now uh He's on the run

[01:25:35] There's the great sequence where you know when he goes to the airport to try to pick up Amy Adams so they can run away together. He sees the fed Whispering in her ear and then comes up with this amazing short-term con where he goes to the college

[01:25:47] pretends it's a Stewardess recruitment program and essentially camouflages himself That's a cool scene in the middle of like 12 Beautiful women who will flock around him and distract. Yep. It's a good scene

[01:26:01] Then you cut ahead to he's in france and the hand-radi sign. It's a good. It's a good fucking punk He punks hand-radi punks him. He punks him good. This movie is kind of was the he was the original punker

[01:26:10] Hey, was the song come fly away with me originally just written for montages and airports correct. Okay great And also delta commercial. Yeah, it's a little uh ballsy to uh Break out the Sinatra for that scene, but it's a good scene. Yeah

[01:26:25] There's also it's ballsy of him to uh during the whole doctor sequence play that song that's like i'm a doctor now You know that i'm a doctor now I'm endorsing that lawyer man lawyer man. I'm endorsing that. That's good

[01:26:41] Fake chauffeur shake well we got from my dad. We gotta wrap this up Well now this last chunk of the movie is just like it's clear that his luck's gonna run out Well, yeah, because now he's in france. He's better Yeah, like

[01:26:56] He's amazing now. He bought like a Check machine. I don't know what the fuck it is, but he's like become like the most master like international check thief And they're not even fakes. The weird thing is like that's why he's floating. They're not even fakes

[01:27:09] He's making real checks like everything about this is top quality and uh Tom Hanks goes to his supervisors and they're like you gotta drop this well, that's the thing he they've the treasury's they're they've given up on him

[01:27:22] They're like, yeah, whatever like not sending you to fucking france or spain or whatever There's that early scene where he's going to his boss and he was like I was in the room with this kid

[01:27:30] I can catch him right and the boss is like go get him. Yeah, well, no, but he's like look corner office You're in line for that position this net don't make a mistake and he's like what's a mistake and goes like embarrass yourself

[01:27:40] Do anything they can hold now it's he's embarrassed years have passed and he goes to the boss He's like I'm close to this kid. I'm getting closer and it's like three years

[01:27:48] Enough right and he is like we can't let him get away and he goes like you already did Yeah, basta we don't care anymore who fucking gives a shit whatever but anyway, it doesn't matter

[01:27:57] Can we let's you know, I want I want you to get to your big hot take hanks has the breakthrough Oh france. He must be in the town where his mother The agent is finally useful his partner is finally like oh, I have it in my notes monrichard

[01:28:09] You know which is good. I like that. He has a little moment and it's like there's a year later flash So we don't know what he's been doing for last year and when they get to the factory. It's like this is now manic

[01:28:17] He's just melted down and he's printing checks He's in a white theater and he's like hand ready nice to see ya hey And it's like this scene is fine I actually this is this is the part of movie where i'm like, okay

[01:28:28] Okay, let's wrap it up because he escapes like eight more times, you know like he escapes from the plane He jumps through the toilet and then he like goes to his family's house Finally dawns on him like my parents have divorced and my father is dead

[01:28:43] Like I am actually not going to fix anything here This movie can fall into the commonsfield bird complain of like five endings too many endings Which used to be my complaint about this movie

[01:28:53] It does have a lot of endings. It doesn't bother me because I love the final ending I like I like where everything ends up. I just love That but I just love this uh de caprios now like he's like a shell of a man

[01:29:04] Like he's not even having fun doing this anymore. No, like he's just doing it It's like he'd go through withdrawal if he couldn't con people. That's the only thing he knows how to do and um yeah

[01:29:16] Hanks like in the moment where you expect that he's gonna have his like You know tommy lee jones fugitive like I got yeah, I fucking I this is all I cared about He's like, please don't fuck this up like they can kill you

[01:29:29] I'm trying to treat you civilly Handcuff yourself walk out with me. There's no point in running And de caprios like you trying to con me. What are you lying? What about the thing you said about your kids this and that you said you didn't have a family

[01:29:40] I have a family of a daughter's four. I don't anymore. I used to all right All right And he like goes out and the cops aren't there and he freaks out and then the cops come

[01:29:47] He runs away. He tries to go see his mom. He sees his mom's remarried with the kid Freaks out they arrest him the french extradited prison all that right all whatever prison scene the extra Yeah, that's all already happened

[01:29:58] But yeah, the plane there was the flash in the middle and he keeps on asking the like how how do you pass the bar? But once I can't figure out I can't figure out say won't say trying to con him

[01:30:06] He goes to prison. He's sentenced for many years in solitary confinement They don't try him as a minor they give him like 20 years 12 years I think they start chatting to him then he starts visiting him and chatting to him And I was like, let me see those checks

[01:30:21] Got some checks got some checks And so like they realized like oh this guy's you know, I mean he's the best in the biz He knows right and so they hire him and then what does he do once he shows up at the FBI?

[01:30:35] Like after one day. Yeah runs away again This is the exact thing he's been trying to avoid his entire life which is just A normal life, you know like the office. I love The office is so drab all pop is drained out of it, you know

[01:30:50] Like they make it such an unengaging environment without any like verb or prezazz And it's just like wait, so what's my life now? And it's like supervised custody this guy hand-routing is now in charge of you

[01:31:01] You have to work here every day for the indefinite future and he's like oh fuck Fuck fuck fuck fuck And so he's like already trying to like okay. Let me go to my file cut the thing out

[01:31:11] Make a new passport and he's like what are you doing this weekend? I'll go visit my daughter. Oh great, uh cool. Okay Try to get away try to get away at the TWA great Spielberg one or where he's walking down and and hanks is just in the background

[01:31:24] He's got the old pilots outfit on right and uh hanks is just out of focus Slowly getting closer and closer And it's just like I knew you were gonna come here and he was like weren't you supposed to be on plane to see your daughter?

[01:31:37] And he's like she's skiing this weekend because I thought he said she was four. It's like she's she's 16 I haven't seen her right. It's the same basic thing which is like

[01:31:45] Why do you lie to me? It's like I want to live in the world. I want well, it's the same thing as Abagnale's been doing to himself It's like, you know, yeah, you know time has passed right like time has passed

[01:31:54] They've both been denying and thinking they can fix the past right So and then I mean that's It's basically just one more scene right because the last scene is hanks waiting for him to arrive This thing says i'm not gonna chase you no one's chasing anymore

[01:32:07] He knows that part of it was the thrill of the chase right and he goes like I'm gonna chase you because I know you're Gonna come back. What are you what are you gonna do if you leave right? Do you know how hard I had to go?

[01:32:16] I had to go like fucking all the way up the train to get you out of jail What are you gonna do? And they do a good fake out where you see the footsteps. Oh, he's late

[01:32:24] You know, it's not over there, but then he shows up. They look at the checks together Yeah, I love how when they start looking at the checks together everyone else leaves because they're like

[01:32:32] These check nerds over here. It says you gotta tell me how to pass the bar studied Yeah Studied hard two weeks passed it himself right but then I like that tom hanks is like is that the truth

[01:32:43] Is that the truth and he's like this is a good check, you know, like you know, he doesn't totally confirm it Okay, all right. What's your hot take to hear my reads on the movie?

[01:32:51] I think this is the most autobiographical film that's real burke has ever been so which is essentially like You think spielberg was like I was a fucked up kid of divorce who just had confidence

[01:33:01] Or what do you mean? Well? Yeah in a lot of ways. I mean a I think it's a movie about escapism, right? I think the cons that Decaprio are is running are running his cons that he is running are analogs for Spielberg's films

[01:33:19] Not like oh the airline is raiders, you know, but just like I get you those are the projects of like he wants to create A world sure and it's any chasing the next thing

[01:33:29] You know, and it's the things that he sees that he aspires to hear call are the figures of stature who get respect I want to make the kind of movies. I grew up loving. This is what spoke to me confidence is the currency, right?

[01:33:39] For him, it's like cinema is the currency Do you know that the beginning of spielberg's career how he got started was he just like went into a lot and like sat in an office And was like hey, I have a development deal here Right, they were like okay

[01:33:51] And he found an office that was vacated and every day he went in at the universal office that no one was using for like weeks to months And just like hung around and watched other people doing right and then finally someone was like who the fuck are you?

[01:34:03] And he was like, I don't know. Bye. He's like, yeah, and then he got like a tv directing job and like he was off Right. Yeah, I do know that. Yes. So that's a real franc abagné It is good for you stevie, right?

[01:34:15] Um, and he had like he talks about it He had like a fucked up family that got divorced and it was like totally traumatic for him Right, and you figure that You know as a very vulnerable kid, right?

[01:34:27] Probably had a hard time dealing with the realities of what was going on in his home life movies were The escape right? They were the thing that made him feel comfortable What did he want to do? He wanted to make the thing that made him feel comfortable

[01:34:39] In the same way that like de capio wants to be the kind of man that his father was trying to be but even more successfully Without the failures without the chinks in the armor, you know another thing. It's interesting about stevens billboard You know, he applied to usc

[01:34:52] Uh didn't get in because he had like a c average It wasn't like a good student So he didn't get into the usc film school Which is what george lucas got into and you know all the big guys

[01:34:59] So instead he went to like he went to like a uc state school like hammer brooch one and uh And then I think he might have even I think he dropped out even you know

[01:35:07] And he does all the shit we're talking about he starts working in the industry Years later like near to like in like 2000 or something. Yeah, he gets his ba He like went back to school to get his ba Yeah

[01:35:18] Like so, you know like much like abagnale. He finally like put his pen to paper again He was like legit legit this time Imagine stevens billboard getting a ba

[01:35:27] I just think about that thing that you hear like filmmakers and actors say all the time where they're just like I you know, I really wanted to they what drew you to this project and you're like this is the kind of movie my dad loved

[01:35:36] Sure, you know sure and it feels like he you know, I don't know what his father's relationship was to movies I I only know what we basically know about his relationship to movies Which is just like they were everything to him like from the moment he discovered cinema

[01:35:48] That was his entire world. That was all he understood and he had to create That right these confidence games of creating a world and knowing what you're doing Improvising on the fly. That's what all filmmaking is and Spielberg was known

[01:35:58] Very well for you know, the shark doesn't work use that make that part of the language Okay, I have I've pneumonia this day. Kyro Swartzman seen as one shot. Okay. Okay. We run long So what happens? Uh-huh. He's fucking chasing escapism high fantasy, right making these populist blockbusters

[01:36:14] And what's chasing him the entire time adulthood maturity Psychological realism like he's been dealing in very binary Color palates good and bad sad and happy. Oh, you know, okay Movies are like a fucking comfort food for us

[01:36:30] And Spielberg has become this guy who is synonymous with like escapism to the point that everyone now says they're trying to make their Spielberg type movie their amelot type movie stranger things is trying to get back to help

[01:36:40] All right, I forget stranger things. Leave that out of it. Right. Come on. Keep going Fucking pop culture is today Preeminently defined by the things that Steven Spielberg did for 20 years making movies that made us feel like children again

[01:36:51] Yeah, right now everyone's just trying to make that thing and Spielberg is this guy who's like fighting for adult dramas And this is kind of like in the transition Yeah, yeah, we're like that's what was chasing him this whole time

[01:37:02] You're the most successful movie filmmaker of all time. But where's this actually going? You're just gonna keep on making movies for kids forever Okay, okay, and every time he goes back to like one of his old cons. It doesn't work

[01:37:13] It's a fucking kingdom in the crystal skull or well, you're talking about later. Yeah Right, but uh, but even lost world, you know like from the point where he wins the oscar Okay, look you're doing your thing where now everybody catches him

[01:37:24] No, everything can't fit into your dumb grand Unified empire of the sun like I mean his whole problem was that he would make these serious movies and people would be like Now you're good at the kitty shit. Yeah, right? But eventually

[01:37:37] The sun was up. You know part of the sun was him trying to marry Amy Adams Uh, sure great good. Good job. Good job squeezing it all in there. What's always Always is just like a shitty cut. That's maybe the lawyer thing. What's hook

[01:37:51] I mean they didn't cover all the cons in this movie. No, but like this is the better Peter Pan movie You know that I agree with exactly. I mean hook is him making a Peter Pan movie, obviously

[01:38:00] Which is like a obviously just like a completely elemental story for him, right? Yes like that weird dichotomy of like I know I have to grow up But like I'm happiest here and like this is where I have my magical powers, right?

[01:38:14] And this fantasy that people have always been obsessed with right especially like escapist directors have always been like I gotta make my Peter Pan movie, right?

[01:38:21] Boy, oh boy. Do they need to stop thinking that Peter Pan just like doesn't fucking work as a movie like we told it Peter Pan is creepy. Yeah, it's about wanting to be a little boy

[01:38:30] Yeah, and guess what people should fucking grow up and I say this is someone who's like It's written by a creep. I say this is someone Yeah, it's some of his real Peter Bansond drum over here

[01:38:36] Yeah, but you know what like like here I am right all I fucking care about is like fucking cartoons and superheroes Sure, yet. I'm now the guy standing around 20 minutes. He talked to me about transformers before we went on mine

[01:38:46] But my point is like all the fucking high school. I used to get made fun of all the time because all I cared about was Superheroes and cartoons, right? And now right we live in a world cinema, and I'm like give me adult drama

[01:38:56] It's true. We live in a world where it's like Mark Ruffalo is the Hulk And I'm pretending that I don't go see all of those movies and they aren't comfort food to me

[01:39:05] And then I don't watch them. Just think about that. Mark Ruffalo is the Hulk. I know And look these are the movies I watch when I can't fall asleep at night because like I have anxiety And I need something to play key, right?

[01:39:16] But like I want like fucking adult Cinema stop yelling stop yelling stop hold on and tying it all together. Okay But this movie is about how you can't fucking go home again how Peter Pan is like a goddamn. He goes home again

[01:39:27] Yeah, there's a little kid there. Yeah, it's not his home anymore. Not his home Right, and he's nice home. His dad's dead He fell down the stairs right at Grand Central right nothing he can do Can retroactively fix his childhood? He can't

[01:39:42] Produce another necklace and say you must have slipped off your neck making the thing that made him feel good Trying to be the man his father wanted to be doesn't fix things retroactively Yes, okay Your point is understood for sure. Hanratty is adulthood. He's maturity

[01:39:58] And what's the end of the movie the end of the movie as he finally accepts it Right, but it is interesting that since then He has tried to make you know a couple of more Old-school Spielberg movies like you say his failures

[01:40:10] Well, but then you could put tinton in there as well tinton's an odd one But tinton is also kind of old-school Spielberg when we get to tinton. I'll explain why I think tinton's an outlier

[01:40:18] Well, I mean we can talk about tinton when we get to tinton the advantage will get to tinton which is the best Right, we'll get to tint. Um, but you know, so I know what you mean like he tries to make crystal skull and

[01:40:30] Bfg in both times and those are like the later escapes That's like him trying to escape and go to the airport when hanratty is already like you work for me

[01:40:36] You're a grown-up own it you have to stop running away from this and then he's like, okay. I'll make I'll make a sci-fi movie It's about a Divorced dad. Yeah witnesses 9 11. Yeah, and then hides in a basement And tim robbins is there

[01:40:53] Yeah, and also the movie is like he's trying to win over a dad who he could never win over right It's a good call and hanratty's this fucking father figure for him

[01:41:01] Can we and de caprio's the son almost two hours here? So can we wrap it up? This is my wrap up? Yeah, no, it's good right. So good. Hanra is a father who doesn't have a child the caprio's a child who doesn't have a father

[01:41:10] Right, and then they're both trying to live in their alternate realities Where his daughter's still young? Yeah, yeah, we get it. We get it my god The movie's about steven spielberg realizing that he has to fucking like put away childish things

[01:41:23] But okay, the only problem I have with that is he kind of had done that Right like that's why it's the movie about him realizing what he did now because it's like this isn't the movie that represents

[01:41:33] In between schindler's list and this the only like vaguely childish movie he's made is lost world Which is not even really a childish. I'm saying I think this is the movie about that's fair those seven years of him making that transition

[01:41:45] About the dream works here. Yes about the dream works years And I I think you know it's that Uh escapism is a distraction. Wait, wait, or is it about the sky? Hey, it's about this. Hey ben What was dan louis up to right now?

[01:42:00] I believe and correct me if i'm wrong. He uh was a cobbler. Yeah, great Uh next week of course we're talking not to be confused with the adam sandler movie different and next week's episode of course is Cobbling the cobbler One day

[01:42:17] One day you should do that. I like that a lot. Uh escapism is a distraction and a lie And uh confidence as a currency catch me if you can in my opinion after this rewatch one of spielberg's masterpiece

[01:42:28] You think it's one of his best one of his best film. I I could be argued into that. I don't know I love this movie. It's a great movie. You liked it ben. This was a movie. I had I had very few Films on dvd

[01:42:41] It was a fletch for you and mostly had tv but this is one I also yeah would rewatch And I was like super into the scam and the fraud part of this movie Well, because you're a little denis the menace. Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:42:54] He's just like a big denis the man. Oh, I was into all kinds of stuff. So this movie was influential What were you into? Ben's lived a varied life also Like we're always getting new periods of ben's life with weird jobs that we never heard of

[01:43:06] Well, like the thing me and my friends would do just a good example is we'd steal books from borders and then return them for money Oh, yeah, that's a good scam

[01:43:15] That's a real scam. Yeah, or like and I did some mail fraud like I was into some shit Catch me if you been am I right? Oh, baby I love it. Can we please? No, all right. So David just quick. Jesus. Okay. Hey, hey, sister. Hey, man

[01:43:30] Nothing matters, right? Okay, period. He's starting with nothing. I agree. That's my take nothing That's my read on this movie My read on this movie is you have to accept that nothing matters. Okay. Go ahead. What's your system has always been rigged Yep

[01:43:44] So why work hard when you can equally take advantage of the system? Well, right in America where we don't have Royalties and we don't have lineage. I also just like the idea. It's like that's the currency

[01:43:54] It's also like halfway through the movie. He says to tom hanks like I don't want to do it anymore Just give me a break. Can we just give it a break?

[01:44:01] I'll just turn myself in and then you won't and tom Hanks is like no you broke the law You have to go to jail But what happens is they give him a break because he's good at his thing

[01:44:11] It's fucking check frauds and he totally gets off and hanks loves him I think he loves him Does he love him? Oh, I just also forgot quickly the key thing to the Christmas thing is that that's like the day where the fact that they can't go home

[01:44:22] Strikes them. Of course everyone else goes home Is lost that they have nowhere to go and that's the that's the happy safe place They wish they could return to but time to put away such a Stillberg is such a Christmas obsessed jew like so many of them

[01:44:34] You know speaking as a not Christmas obsessed you but you're pointing at yourself. Yes, you know where The jews who just are are tapping on the other end of the window being like It looks warm in there. Merry christmas motherfucker

[01:44:47] Um, uh, I yeah, I just want to say one last time. I'm on the other side too. I'm like that with Hanukkah Yeah, ben loves Hanukkah. I love Hanukkah. He does 16 candles. Uh, I just one sentence

[01:44:59] Uh, uh, I this is my favorite to cap your performance because it's the one where he's playing all of his cards He's not holding anything back in terms of I want to be positioned as this or that And I also think it's a movie about kind of like

[01:45:11] Movie start it's a movie where it needs a movie start to be showing How powerful someone can be in getting you to buy into a fake reality So it's a movie about acting he gets to play a lot of different shades

[01:45:21] And I think it's his most vulnerable relatable charismatic performance. Okay fine I'm so weary now that I can't even argue with you. Don. He's good. I take masterpiece going. Yeah, but you just yelled for a long time A lot of yelling. I'm an impassioned Young boy. It's christmas 2002

[01:45:37] Okay Come on movie opens big but number two at the bottom number two 48 million for the weekend Big number. Yeah, I mean it's a drama It's like a six day weekend though because it like christmas day is like wednesday or something

[01:45:51] So it's like a very long and ends up making like 170 160 Its final total was 164 domestic 352 worldwide on a 52 million dollar budget A lot of money. Okay. Number one film has to be two towers, right? Lord of the Rings the two towers which has made 200 million dollars

[01:46:06] A lot of money two weeks people like that franchise. Uh, huh? Uh-huh popular Helms deep Hell's yeah, tree beer though. Uh golem Oh god, you have no idea how much I love golem precious Just rewatched that and I forgot that he just yells. Yeah after yelling my precious

[01:46:27] Golem was my boy. It's looking great I looked so much like golem in high school that I was just happy that like I was like I'm being

[01:46:33] Represented on screen like here's a character that looks like me whereas I looked like samwise game g. Okay. No, I didn't look like that You weren't that short. No, it wasn't that short number two Yeah, that's right. If you can 48 mil opening christmas weekend

[01:46:46] Number three is a rom calm in its second week. It's made 43 million dollars two weeks notice. Yes Like Jesus, that's all you needed Yeah, I'm remembering 2002 pretty vividly and I remember that was a christmas era

[01:47:00] Now the premise of two weeks notices she has given her two weeks notice. Yep I did the premise and made 90 million domestic. That's all you needed back there. You named 93. Yeah, Jesus Um, Sandra bullock you grant right? Yeah number four is a rom calm

[01:47:18] Oh another one that has made 56 million in three weeks And it total makes 94 million dollars This is a rom comp starring a you know relatively big female actress at the time relatively big She was big. She was pretty big. Um

[01:47:32] The starring and the love interest in this movie in retrospect is fucking unbelievable Wow, he's like one of those things we were like, huh Okay, relatively big actress. It's 2002. It's been up for three weeks. What number does it end up at final gross 94

[01:47:49] I told you almost exactly the same as two weeks notice Yeah, they they opened concurrently aired. They played concurrently and did same amount of money Was this actress mostly known for rom coms?

[01:48:00] She's in a couple more. She was kind of an action star too not even action, but like she made some sort of Sort of thriller slash dramas. I mean it's not de as right no

[01:48:12] Um, she's sort of hard to categorize because the big clue about her is kind of obvious Interesting like if I gave you the big clue about her you'd be like, oh, I know No It's hillary swank. No, she's like put it this way. She's a really famous person

[01:48:29] Yeah, but she's not just famous for being an actress. Oh, is it jaylo? Yes And if her low pets and so it's that 2002 it's made in Manhattan made in Manhattan Who is her romantic lead in that movie? Ray finds rave finds. Yeah

[01:48:41] Is it like slightly creepy like billionaire or something? Uh good one ben good one. Oh, nice alley up there Um How come they don't call them calm roms and rom coms to let you know how much is a comedy and how much more is

[01:48:57] Ben we're short on time our finest home critic number five In two weeks has made 29 million dollars. We already discussed it extensively on this episode on this episode gangs in New York gangs of new york Gangs and new dollars Fun fact about Dan Lewis. Yeah

[01:49:13] He was a shoemaker at Italy before he was in that movie. Yeah some other movies some other movies Uh drum line. Oh, yeah cannons big uh, yeah

[01:49:22] Breakout roll there. So don't is big break. Uh, sure sure. So so don is in the next movie. We're gonna talk about Oh, yeah Young as younger is always still done the terminal the terminal Wild thornberries movies in there. Yeah, not a big grosser that one

[01:49:38] It like opened at number eight right 40 million dollars beat its budget Yeah, opening weekend was dire on that movie. Is this week one for it? This is week two

[01:49:47] Um, it held a little Harry Potter in the Chamber of Secrets fun fact about Harry Potter in the Chamber of Secrets Yeah, the longest of the Harry Potter really isn't that crazy? That's crazy Like goblet of fire which is based on a book that's like three times longer

[01:50:00] Is shorter because chamber secrets might be the shortest of the books, right? That and the first one I mean one or two is the shortest they all get exponentially longer Is two hours and 40 minutes long. That's insane I mean just like pause and think about that spider

[01:50:15] That spider though. I think it's also the only Harry Potter movie I'd never have seen again. I think I only saw it in theaters It's fine. Yeah, it's like arguably a lot better than the first one

[01:50:24] I'll say I think ask bands the only Harry Potter movie I've seen more than once I did a rewatch of like most of them, but I think I started with ask a band ask about rules Yes, man. It's pretty good Uh got hot chick

[01:50:35] Oh with a Robbie Schneider and an unfamous Rachel McAnon and Anna Ferris two big breakouts in that movie Dino the day the the apex of Here's Brosnan Star Trek Nemesis the sort of wet fart that ends the Patrick Stewart

[01:50:51] Star Trek movies and people thought Tom Hardy wasn't gonna happen. That was a shot It took him years to happen after that careers are really long dude. They are my big factory quitting still lingering That's insane. What is big factory poetic up to at this point 222 million?

[01:51:06] So it has 20 million more to make before it finishes its route And it's already been out for nine months at that point. It came out like April never again Will that number 12 at the box office in December and it came out in April. It's in 951 theater

[01:51:21] That will literally never happen amazingly even though it lost 22 theaters this week It gained 90 percent at the box. It's a good Christmas. I guess so everyone was like back for my big factory quitting Another movie that opened this week Uh Chicago Number 13 77 theaters another movie the hours number 31

[01:51:43] The pianist number 44 in six theaters. That was that was focused. That wasn't airmax, right? Yeah, but i'm just saying like all the big oscar players are released in limited on christmas day Yeah, which is now you can't do that. Can I throw out a funny stat? Yeah

[01:51:57] I forget who tweeted this and I am sorry if you're listening a credit because it's probably someone we know in film twitter Uh someone did the math on like my big factory quitting which opened in five theaters and ended up doing

[01:52:08] $240 million and then big factory quitting two opened to like 15 million dollars And they were like if big factory quitting two has the same opening weekend multiple as big factory quitting one It will make 5.6 billion dollars like they did the actual math and it was an insane number

[01:52:23] Um, well that has been catch me if you can catch if can Pardon me if you cast Pot if cast and as I to doubt last night rewatch if you can because this movie is a winner It is one of my top spielbergs

[01:52:36] Uh, I love it. I was really blown away by uh how much it grew for me this time And i'll say I got even a little teary-eyed by the ending a final shot of the two of them just accepting This is their world

[01:52:48] This is not a movie that makes me choke up But it is a very nice movie that yeah makes me think I was surprised it made me choke up because it doesn't feel emotionally

[01:52:57] Sort of aggressive in the way spielberg can be when he wants to be no, I agree I was uh choked up by the understated sadness. Do you get choked up at the terminal? No, I don't we'll find out On next week blank check. Yeah

[01:53:12] Griffin and Dave buy your ticket to crocosia now because we're Get ready for the like most people of color in a spielberg movie that isn't about slavery ever Yeah, and guess what they mostly play sanitation workers. They mostly play working class airport employees. Yeah

[01:53:30] Um, but yeah bring us off on charger because we're gonna be stuck at the airport for a while He built an airport. What if we decided that our terminal episode had to be as long as the time he was stuck in the terminal

[01:53:43] How long is that? It's like a couple months. Yeah, probably not. Should we record at jfk? Yes 100% That's an airport. Yeah, we'll do it We'll do it on location. Thank you for listening. Please remember to rate review subscribe

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