Cloud Atlas with Bobby Finger

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to expect

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Our lives are not our own

[00:00:22] From womb to tomb we are bound to others, past and present

[00:00:26] And by each crime and every kindness we birth our podcast

[00:00:30] What even, what word is even being replaced there?

[00:00:33] Future

[00:00:34] The speech Sonmi gives. I was looking for a different one, I couldn't find it

[00:00:38] I'm to be a quote section for Cloud Atlas is

[00:00:42] It's under, under, valued

[00:00:44] Sparse for a movie that's three hours long

[00:00:46] And, and

[00:00:47] Well

[00:00:48] Two hours and 52 minutes

[00:00:49] Okay

[00:00:50] Not the most quotable movie

[00:00:51] I don't know

[00:00:52] I was looking, there's the thing, there's the thing that Tom Hanks says to Halle Berry

[00:00:57] On the sort of when they're on the

[00:00:59] On the mountain, on the volcano or whatever

[00:01:02] No, no, no, in the Louisa Roy mystery

[00:01:05] Oh okay, oh okay

[00:01:06] When he's like we haven't met before but yet I feel like, I don't know

[00:01:09] Anyway, hi, my name is Griffin Newman

[00:01:11] I'm David Sims

[00:01:12] This is Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:01:14] Correct

[00:01:15] This is the Podchowski casters

[00:01:17] Good

[00:01:18] How can it be two things?

[00:01:19] Because

[00:01:20] Because that's how this podcast works

[00:01:22] Like American Horror Story

[00:01:23] There is an overarching franchise

[00:01:25] And then there are separate mini series

[00:01:27] It's kind of like Nesting Dolls

[00:01:29] Kind of like the novel Cloud Atlas

[00:01:31] But not the film Cloud Atlas

[00:01:32] No

[00:01:33] Because we want to, we want to be able to compete in the mini series category at the podcast awards

[00:01:38] Right

[00:01:39] You know, not against like a dramatic podcasting

[00:01:42] What, what, oh did you just try to say dramatic and say dramaque?

[00:01:46] Yeah I don't know, fuck me

[00:01:48] I'm really hired

[00:01:49] Guys it's a Saturday afternoon, I had Chick-fil-A for breakfast

[00:01:52] Yeah

[00:01:53] I'm drinking a vitamin water

[00:01:55] And we are here

[00:01:56] You said it like a British person

[00:01:58] I thought it was funny

[00:01:59] Yeah sure

[00:02:00] Yeah I don't know

[00:02:01] Oh it's fine

[00:02:02] We're here to talk about the fifth

[00:02:06] Sixth movie

[00:02:07] The sixth Wachowski's movie

[00:02:10] The sixth Wachowski joint

[00:02:12] It's a motion picture called Cloud Atlas

[00:02:14] Yes it's a film they co-directed

[00:02:17] With Tompviker

[00:02:19] He of Runlola Run

[00:02:21] And a hologram for the king fame

[00:02:24] You just saw that, we were just talking about that yesterday, I haven't seen that

[00:02:27] Have you seen that?

[00:02:28] No, I read the book, I like the book

[00:02:29] Give it a gentleman's B-

[00:02:32] He made what he made, he made like Perfume the Story of a Murderer

[00:02:37] Which I think is where he got Wish off from

[00:02:39] Yes

[00:02:40] For this movie

[00:02:41] The International, is that what it was called?

[00:02:42] The Woman with the Emmy Watts and Clive O'Lan

[00:02:43] Who knew where it's like banks

[00:02:45] That was his big American film

[00:02:46] Yeah, there's a Guggenheim chase

[00:02:48] That was the poster, it was them in the Guggenheim

[00:02:50] Yeah that one kind of came and went

[00:02:53] After Runlola Run all his stuff kind of came and went

[00:02:56] You know we're here to talk about Cloud Atlas

[00:02:59] And we have a guest

[00:03:01] I'm really getting sidetracked

[00:03:02] A guest of all guests

[00:03:04] He's a great man

[00:03:06] A friend

[00:03:07] We met on Twitter

[00:03:09] And then we decided to go meet up at a bar

[00:03:11] And we talked for like eight hours about movies

[00:03:13] Like four hours

[00:03:15] It was actually four hours

[00:03:17] Which bar?

[00:03:19] It was like under an overpack

[00:03:21] It was a very strange bar

[00:03:23] It's a bar I love that they've ruined a little bit

[00:03:25] It used to be really gross

[00:03:27] And now it's really gross but trying to be

[00:03:29] What bar?

[00:03:30] Cool, it's called Tobacco Road

[00:03:32] It used to be called Port 41

[00:03:34] It's technically within Port Authority

[00:03:36] Underneath the bridge

[00:03:38] But you can't get there through Port Authority

[00:03:40] You have to enter through the side of the building

[00:03:43] It's right around here

[00:03:45] Yeah and there used to be a sign on the wall

[00:03:47] Saying that there was no sleeping allowed at

[00:03:49] Or under the tables

[00:03:51] Which gave you like a sense of the tenor of the place

[00:03:53] Right, right, that had to be clarified

[00:03:55] When was that? That was around the time Toy Story 3 came out

[00:03:57] Because I remember we spent a large chunk

[00:03:59] Of that conversation talking about Toy Story 3

[00:04:01] Yeah it was probably 2010

[00:04:03] You guys have known each other for a while

[00:04:05] Longer than I've known Griffin

[00:04:07] We saw the change up together

[00:04:09] And we switched phones

[00:04:11] But you didn't switch bodies

[00:04:13] Well what we pretended

[00:04:15] The bit was we went to see the change up together

[00:04:17] And we switched phones so we live tweeted

[00:04:19] The change up from each other's Twitter accounts

[00:04:21] I completely forgot that we did that

[00:04:23] So I was like Griffin stuck on Bobby Fingers

[00:04:25] Twitter account

[00:04:27] And I just tweeted about tits the whole time

[00:04:29] I forgot about the change up too

[00:04:31] Yeah we saw the shit up

[00:04:33] The change up and then the change up

[00:04:35] Wow, oh my god

[00:04:37] Have we said his name?

[00:04:39] He's the co-host of the Who Weekly podcast

[00:04:41] And he writes for Jezebel

[00:04:43] Yeah and he's a great person

[00:04:45] He's a great person

[00:04:47] Who exists in the world

[00:04:49] I will say that and I don't know if I say this to your face

[00:04:51] Because I don't like to say things that make people uncomfortable

[00:04:53] You're one of the people I find funniest in the world

[00:04:55] So that's really nice

[00:04:57] Truly you make me laugh harder than

[00:04:59] Most people who

[00:05:01] Self identify as exclusively comedians

[00:05:03] His comedians

[00:05:05] Thank you

[00:05:07] My favorite it's a very random little memory

[00:05:09] I think it might have been the first time I hung out with Bobby Fingers

[00:05:11] Which is when you came to trivia one time

[00:05:13] And we were going

[00:05:15] The three of us were on my computer

[00:05:17] I know what you're gonna say

[00:05:19] I forgot this too

[00:05:21] You're dropping germs all the time

[00:05:23] We were going through the Academy Awards

[00:05:25] On Wikipedia

[00:05:27] And every year there was

[00:05:29] The Wikipedia entry has the poster

[00:05:31] And we were just looking at all the posters

[00:05:33] The official poster for that year's ceremony

[00:05:35] And the

[00:05:37] I forget which one

[00:05:39] Was it the 14 maybe account?

[00:05:41] The ones that most recently hosted by Ellen DeGeneres

[00:05:43] Right

[00:05:45] And it hadn't happened yet

[00:05:47] And the poster hadn't been released yet

[00:05:49] I have no idea

[00:05:51] The poster hadn't been released yet

[00:05:53] And we clicked forward to that year's

[00:05:55] Like to the upcoming account

[00:05:57] And instead of the poster there was just a picture

[00:05:59] Of Ellen DeGeneres like smiling at the camera

[00:06:01] This is like a month before the show

[00:06:03] And then the poster turned out to just be Ellen DeGeneres

[00:06:09] This is not a funny story for anyone except the three of us

[00:06:11] The moment

[00:06:13] I mean that was experiential

[00:06:15] Her legs are kinda just like

[00:06:17] She's sitting on a little

[00:06:19] She was sitting in Indian style

[00:06:21] She was sitting on the floor and she had an elbow up on her knee

[00:06:23] Chris Cross Applesaw

[00:06:25] Maybe there was an Oscar in front of her right

[00:06:27] Yeah there was an Oscar on the ground

[00:06:29] But when we were looking before the poster

[00:06:31] There was a straight forward profile picture

[00:06:33] Of Ellen DeGeneres looking right at you

[00:06:35] Yeah and to conceptualize this a little bit

[00:06:37] The other posters for the Oscar ceremony

[00:06:39] Don't have the host in them

[00:06:41] No there are deco-y shots of an Oscar trophy

[00:06:43] Or whatever

[00:06:45] In what way can we reuse this silhouette

[00:06:47] Like how can we use this silhouette in a different way

[00:06:49] And this was like a placeholder

[00:06:51] Cause they had announced her as the host

[00:06:53] But they hadn't made a poster yet

[00:06:55] So there was just a placeholder with some random picture of Ellen

[00:06:57] And then the actual poster ended up just being

[00:06:59] The first time in history

[00:07:01] Just some picture of Ellen

[00:07:03] And as Dorasi might say

[00:07:05] Ellen's a bigger prize anyway

[00:07:07] So maybe we all would rather have an Ellen

[00:07:09] You are such a romance

[00:07:11] You're such a poet

[00:07:15] Speaking of poets, I mean

[00:07:17] This is a meeting of two great poetic minds today

[00:07:19] Because of course we have with us

[00:07:21] Our resident poet, Laurie

[00:07:25] There he is coughing in the background

[00:07:27] Getting over strep throat

[00:07:29] Hey guys

[00:07:31] Bobby you were kind of sick last

[00:07:33] Quote unquote week, aka yesterday

[00:07:35] When we recorded Speed Bracer

[00:07:37] Ben, you called Ben Bobby

[00:07:39] I think he was sick too

[00:07:41] His name's not Bobby, okay

[00:07:43] He goes by a couple names

[00:07:45] Producer Ben, the Ben Deucer

[00:07:47] We've already talked about being the poet laureate

[00:07:49] Do you have any favorites?

[00:07:51] Ben Deucer is my favorite

[00:07:53] I said that right

[00:07:55] He's a fuck master, he's not Professor Crispy

[00:07:57] The peeper

[00:07:59] Of course

[00:08:01] Kylo Ben

[00:08:03] Professor Ben Kenobi

[00:08:05] Ben Night Shyamalan

[00:08:07] There's a bunch of other ones

[00:08:09] We gotta go

[00:08:11] All I'm asking

[00:08:13] Ben is sick

[00:08:15] All I'm asking is all our listeners out there

[00:08:17] Pray for Ben

[00:08:19] Pray up to God's

[00:08:21] Speedy recovery

[00:08:23] How you doing Ben?

[00:08:25] I'm feeling better today for sure

[00:08:27] I was bummed I didn't get to participate in the Speed Bracer talk

[00:08:29] But I think it was a great episode guys

[00:08:31] Now do you want to share some quick thoughts on Speed Bracer

[00:08:33] Because you loved it

[00:08:35] Do you want to have your little Ben Speed Bracer corner?

[00:08:37] Yeah, sure

[00:08:39] So I'll say

[00:08:41] I cried so hard at the end of the movie

[00:08:43] It's an emotional ending

[00:08:45] Really hit me hard

[00:08:47] I love the film

[00:08:49] I would say

[00:08:51] In general what I'd like

[00:08:53] In movies moving forward is

[00:08:55] Naming the character around

[00:08:57] What they do

[00:08:59] I think that's really solid

[00:09:01] Like just like fast hero

[00:09:03] So like big people

[00:09:05] So like Captain America could be

[00:09:07] Like throwing shield man or whatever

[00:09:09] Yeah totally just name them what they do

[00:09:11] Okay so with this

[00:09:13] With this established I might at certain points within this episode

[00:09:15] Ben ask you to rename

[00:09:17] The characters of Cloud Atlas

[00:09:19] There's only a couple of characters in Cloud Atlas anyway

[00:09:21] It's not like a movie

[00:09:23] Also did

[00:09:25] Did they tape Christina Ricci's

[00:09:27] Eyes wider open

[00:09:29] That was the only other thought I had to

[00:09:31] She's very wide-eyed in the film

[00:09:33] That's crazy they don't even look real

[00:09:37] Those are my thoughts on Speed Bracer

[00:09:39] Thank you Ben if you don't know

[00:09:41] He is the world's greatest film critic

[00:09:43] I don't know if you knew that

[00:09:45] I didn't know that but I'm beginning to understand that

[00:09:47] We've submitted our galleys to Double Day

[00:09:51] And make it big the collected writings of Ben Hosley

[00:09:55] It should be coming in Q1

[00:09:57] That book is going to be big too

[00:09:59] It's a coffee table

[00:10:01] He means literally big

[00:10:03] It will never be released in paperback

[00:10:05] Okay so Cloud Artlers

[00:10:07] Yes the one thing I wanted to say

[00:10:09] The Bobby moment that makes me laugh

[00:10:11] Once again don't know if this will translate

[00:10:13] Bobby we've had so many great times

[00:10:15] We were talking about

[00:10:17] I don't remember how we got into this

[00:10:19] But you interrupted the conversation to say

[00:10:21] Man I just can't

[00:10:23] I'm so excited for when the

[00:10:25] Best Marigold hotel

[00:10:27] Two trailer drops

[00:10:31] I said that a lot around that whatever time

[00:10:33] I was very excited

[00:10:35] We didn't know at the time it was going to be called the second best

[00:10:37] Exotic Marigold Hotel

[00:10:39] That was my dream

[00:10:41] But at the time you just said

[00:10:43] They show all the actors

[00:10:45] They show us that like Dickie Gears on board

[00:10:47] And then the title comes up and it says

[00:10:49] The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

[00:10:51] And then very slowly a two fading in

[00:10:53] And the way

[00:10:55] You were so sincere

[00:10:57] The way you describe the two fading in

[00:10:59] I love them

[00:11:01] But it was the specific of the two fading in

[00:11:03] That it wasn't there from the get go

[00:11:05] That the title is the title you know

[00:11:07] And then the shock of a two

[00:11:09] And we could all picture it

[00:11:11] It was a love image

[00:11:13] It was very successful

[00:11:15] Theater of the Mind we all saw what you were seeing

[00:11:17] You

[00:11:19] You are a listener of the show

[00:11:21] And you're a pal of both of ours

[00:11:23] And I want to have you on the show for a long time

[00:11:25] Yes and you wanted to be

[00:11:27] On this episode Bobby

[00:11:29] I did I was maybe

[00:11:31] Maybe it's because I mean

[00:11:33] I didn't realize that as many people

[00:11:35] Like thought Atlas as

[00:11:37] As they do

[00:11:39] When I requested

[00:11:41] Cloud Atlas I kind of expected

[00:11:43] There to be competition

[00:11:45] And I expected Griffin to say like

[00:11:47] Someone already took it

[00:11:49] Little did I know no one even offered to take

[00:11:51] And so I was very shocked

[00:11:53] And then I realized wait did I pick

[00:11:55] The kind of loser of the bunch

[00:11:57] But I still love it

[00:11:59] I think we all love it

[00:12:01] It was the first thing that came to mind

[00:12:03] Whenever the Wachowskis were

[00:12:05] When the word Wachowskis

[00:12:07] Was a big hit

[00:12:09] This movie was released in 2012

[00:12:11] Yeah in October

[00:12:13] 2012 late October

[00:12:15] Oscar season

[00:12:17] Yes I believe it came out

[00:12:19] The exact weekend that

[00:12:21] Hurricane Sandy hit

[00:12:23] Hurricane Irene

[00:12:25] It came out the weekend

[00:12:27] A big New York storm

[00:12:29] Because I remember wanting to go see it

[00:12:31] On Saturday afternoon and having to wait

[00:12:33] And I just moved into an apartment

[00:12:35] The Friday before the storm hit

[00:12:37] So I remember specifically

[00:12:39] Because the box office opening weekend was terrible

[00:12:41] And the movie store never recovered

[00:12:43] But it was like the whole east coast

[00:12:45] Was locked indoors for this storm

[00:12:47] The last thing on anyone's mind was

[00:12:49] Cloud Atlas

[00:12:51] It was a hundred million dollar independent film

[00:12:53] A hundred and twenty eight point

[00:12:55] Five million dollar budget

[00:12:57] Pretty nuts

[00:12:59] Raised independently mostly through German studios

[00:13:01] Yeah

[00:13:03] They done speed racer in Germany

[00:13:05] And Tom Feiker is German

[00:13:07] So I guess they got their claws in

[00:13:09] There in that country

[00:13:11] And there was a

[00:13:13] Incredible six minute trailer

[00:13:15] For this movie

[00:13:17] So of course set to Overture by

[00:13:19] M83 or one of the M83

[00:13:21] It's outro it's not the

[00:13:23] And at the beginning of the trailer

[00:13:25] Is set to the music from the score

[00:13:27] And then it switches to

[00:13:29] Outro always is effective

[00:13:31] Yes absolutely

[00:13:33] The MPAA has like regulations

[00:13:35] That trailers can't be over three minutes long

[00:13:37] Oh really?

[00:13:39] It was online only

[00:13:41] I never saw a trailer in a theater

[00:13:43] And that trailer had

[00:13:45] A video introduction

[00:13:47] By Lana Wachowski

[00:13:49] Then Larry Wachowski

[00:13:51] Now Lily Wachowski and Tom Feiker

[00:13:53] And they were

[00:13:55] Contextualizing the movie

[00:13:57] And presenting it to you

[00:13:59] Like you know we can't release this

[00:14:01] Longer one in theaters but we think the movie is so expansive

[00:14:03] It's hard to contain in a three minute trailer

[00:14:05] So we want to give you a better sense of what it is

[00:14:07] But they also went into in that introduction

[00:14:09] Explaining how hard it was to get the money

[00:14:11] To make the movie

[00:14:13] Sort of saying like we had it for years

[00:14:15] And then this person dropped out

[00:14:17] Then right before this and Warner Bros.

[00:14:19] Was only going to put up this much

[00:14:21] And then right before they decided they wanted to pull out

[00:14:23] I didn't see that

[00:14:25] It was interesting I can't find the introduction anymore

[00:14:27] Like Lana was speaking very publicly as Lana

[00:14:29] And they also

[00:14:31] Weren't ever speaking

[00:14:33] Like when they were known

[00:14:35] For not speaking in a period

[00:14:37] Right they don't really do publicity at all

[00:14:39] And she was sort of taking the reins

[00:14:41] And like kind of hosting this intro

[00:14:43] Cause they optioned the book right after it came out

[00:14:45] Wachowski's optioned the book

[00:14:47] Which is 04?

[00:14:49] And then I think Feiker

[00:14:51] How do you say his name?

[00:14:53] He like came to them

[00:14:55] And was like I want to make this

[00:14:57] I know you optioned it and they worked on it

[00:14:59] Like they collaborated for years on it together

[00:15:01] The three of them

[00:15:03] What I didn't understand I was reading the Wikipedia for it earlier this morning

[00:15:05] There's a really long

[00:15:07] Paragraph on that page about

[00:15:09] Tom Hanks being involved

[00:15:11] And there's they kind of

[00:15:13] It seems like they left part of the narrative out of that paragraph

[00:15:15] Cause it's like he's talking about

[00:15:17] Like well I want to do it or something

[00:15:19] And then it's like and then it happened

[00:15:21] But it's like it's not just because Tom

[00:15:23] Hanks said yes like where did this money come from

[00:15:25] It does seem weird it seems you know

[00:15:27] They raised money in like bits of pieces

[00:15:29] They got like 20 million euros from the German government

[00:15:31] They got blah blah you know so I guess they were putting

[00:15:33] Money together

[00:15:35] Maybe it was going to fall

[00:15:37] Maybe like they weren't gonna get all the way there

[00:15:39] And they said that to Tom Hanks

[00:15:41] Like and this is Wikipedia

[00:15:43] They said that to Tom Hanks

[00:15:45] And he was like no we're gonna do it

[00:15:47] We're gonna do it, we're gonna do it

[00:15:49] There's like a sentence that ends the paragraph

[00:15:51] And then we were all in Berlin

[00:15:53] Exactly

[00:15:55] I think it was one of those situations where like

[00:15:57] They were 100% financed

[00:15:59] So everyone flew to Berlin to begin the film

[00:16:01] I think it was like a situation

[00:16:03] If I remember the intro correctly

[00:16:05] They were like 100% financed

[00:16:07] And then like 40% dropped out

[00:16:09] But they had like

[00:16:11] 60% and they were already like setting it up

[00:16:13] So at that point

[00:16:15] You like have people being like

[00:16:17] We're ready to make this movie

[00:16:19] And have it sitting there for a while

[00:16:21] We can make this in a month

[00:16:23] I think Hanks probably like you know

[00:16:25] Pressed the flesh a lot and did whatever

[00:16:27] I think Warner Brothers put in a little bit

[00:16:29] It might have been under the guise of like

[00:16:31] This is the how much we're paying to be able

[00:16:33] To distribute it rather than like

[00:16:35] You know actually investing in the film

[00:16:37] Did either of you know about

[00:16:39] This production even happening because

[00:16:41] I didn't even know this was in the works until the trailer came out

[00:16:43] I honestly can't remember when I found out about it

[00:16:45] Yeah I mean

[00:16:47] Did you go ahead

[00:16:49] I remember reading an interview with Susan Sarandon

[00:16:51] A month or two before the trailer came out

[00:16:53] And her being like

[00:16:55] Yeah I just finished this other film with Wachowski

[00:16:57] And we all played different races and genders

[00:16:59] And I was like what?

[00:17:01] Quite a lead

[00:17:03] And I hadn't heard about the book or read the book

[00:17:05] Because I'm an idiot

[00:17:07] I read the book when it came out

[00:17:09] I liked David Mitchell

[00:17:11] I read number nine dream

[00:17:13] His previous book

[00:17:15] Or the book of praise

[00:17:17] And I was in high school or whatever

[00:17:19] And then I read this book

[00:17:21] I haven't read anything since

[00:17:23] He's written a lot of books

[00:17:25] But I like this book

[00:17:27] And that's the story of David reading Cloud Alice

[00:17:29] In 2005

[00:17:31] I read that interview and then was like

[00:17:33] I don't know what this fucking movie is

[00:17:35] It's because it wasn't a Hollywood thing

[00:17:37] That's maybe why it wasn't so like

[00:17:39] Deadline hyped every week

[00:17:41] I don't know if you guys remember this

[00:17:43] We're like yeah I shot this thing with Wachowskis

[00:17:45] And they wanted to make a movie that was

[00:17:47] Like a sort of half documentary

[00:17:49] Half drama but it was like

[00:17:51] A documentary from the future

[00:17:53] About the military

[00:17:55] It was like a lesbian military story

[00:17:57] And Ariana Huffington was in it

[00:17:59] And like a bunch of people like that

[00:18:01] I swear to God

[00:18:03] I now need to go down a Google rabbit hole

[00:18:05] But there was a photo that leaked out

[00:18:07] That was Ariana Huffington in front of a green screen

[00:18:09] With, in future clothes

[00:18:11] With Lana

[00:18:13] And Lily Wachowsky

[00:18:15] And Andy is now

[00:18:17] Is now

[00:18:19] Yes you're right

[00:18:21] I fucked it up

[00:18:23] You're right this is a real thing

[00:18:25] And they were shooting this weird movie

[00:18:27] And they were paying out of pocket

[00:18:29] This was years before Cloud Alice though

[00:18:31] But my point is

[00:18:33] That was a thing that was sort of talked about

[00:18:35] And it was like oh they're shooting these pieces

[00:18:37] This would be the wrap around

[00:18:39] I guess it was going to be sort of like

[00:18:41] District 9 where it's like

[00:18:43] You have fake documentary talking heads

[00:18:45] And then you sort of have the dramatic narrative

[00:18:47] So they were shooting the interview stuff

[00:18:49] We're trying to get the money to do the rest of it

[00:18:51] And we're paying for that stuff out of pocket

[00:18:53] So when I heard the Sarandon

[00:18:55] Like oh we're all playing different races and genders

[00:18:57] I was like maybe this is another thing like that

[00:18:59] Future wig

[00:19:01] You left out the future wig

[00:19:03] Just really briefly

[00:19:05] And then we really need to talk about this movie

[00:19:07] Jesse Ventura also shot

[00:19:09] Governor Jesse Ventura

[00:19:11] Governor Jesse the body Ventura

[00:19:13] Correct, uh said

[00:19:15] They brought me and they brought Ariana Huffington in after me

[00:19:17] Ariana was there and they had her looking like Cleopatra

[00:19:19] Do you remember

[00:19:21] What John Travolta looked like in that horrible film

[00:19:23] Battlefield Earth? They put multi-colored dreadlocks

[00:19:25] On me all the way to here

[00:19:27] They gave me this crazy beard

[00:19:29] Looked like Travolta right? And I put a third eye

[00:19:31] In the middle of my forehead

[00:19:33] I'm reading this cold

[00:19:35] It's from like 2007

[00:19:37] No, 2009

[00:19:39] And this is 100 years in the future

[00:19:41] And they wanted me to talk about the war in Iraq

[00:19:43] And how I felt with it so I got to vent

[00:19:45] Looking like a maniac

[00:19:47] If Jesse the body Ventura

[00:19:49] Thought he looked like a maniac he really looked weird

[00:19:51] And this movie is this like

[00:19:53] Scrapped or is it just unholded?

[00:19:55] They never got the money for the rest of the thing

[00:19:57] Apparently it was like

[00:19:59] A small like

[00:20:01] Queer military drama

[00:20:03] Love story so it was very hard to get financing

[00:20:05] When they talked about Cloud Atlas

[00:20:07] This might be part of that

[00:20:09] This might be like some other project

[00:20:11] That they're shooting things for that's never going to get seen

[00:20:13] But it wasn't

[00:20:15] No when the trailer dropped I was like

[00:20:17] Movie that they made and is going to be viewable

[00:20:19] Film Cloud Atlas

[00:20:21] Yeah

[00:20:23] We're going to talk about it now

[00:20:25] Okay so when did you guys see this movie?

[00:20:27] I just saw it

[00:20:29] You just saw it for the first time?

[00:20:31] I had never seen it

[00:20:33] Oh my god

[00:20:35] I saw it maybe

[00:20:37] I remember wanting to see it

[00:20:39] Write it as it came out but I guess that's why I didn't

[00:20:41] Storm

[00:20:43] I saw it maybe the third or fourth week

[00:20:45] I saw it at the Regal Union Square

[00:20:47] AMC

[00:20:49] A Saturday matinee I want to say

[00:20:51] And I wasn't really expecting

[00:20:53] To love it

[00:20:55] I thought I would like it

[00:20:57] But I remember leaving and exiting into the light

[00:20:59] And just being so satisfied

[00:21:01] I was just so satisfied

[00:21:03] By this movie

[00:21:05] And very surprised because I wasn't familiar with the book

[00:21:07] I mean I knew it's a favorite

[00:21:09] Book of a few friends of mine who have tried to tell me to read it

[00:21:11] But I haven't read it

[00:21:13] But I wasn't expecting to be like

[00:21:15] Overwhelmed by it

[00:21:17] And like manipulated but like

[00:21:19] In a very pleasurable way

[00:21:21] I'm trying to remember why I didn't see this movie

[00:21:23] And it might have been because of like

[00:21:25] Hurricane Sandia

[00:21:27] And it was really something that obvious

[00:21:29] That like I missed it

[00:21:31] The first couple weeks and then it you know

[00:21:33] It disappeared

[00:21:35] Like dudes like us who are like movie omnivores

[00:21:37] When you get into October and there's going to be like

[00:21:39] A couple big movies coming out every week

[00:21:41] Blah blah blah yeah

[00:21:43] It was like moving

[00:21:45] We both moved

[00:21:47] That's so weird but it's something we're like

[00:21:49] So weird

[00:21:51] But like that weekend you don't go see anything because of the storm

[00:21:53] So then the following weekend you're backlogged

[00:21:55] And you're like

[00:21:57] You go to the IFC

[00:21:59] And you're like

[00:22:01] And you're like

[00:22:03] It's like

[00:22:05] You're like

[00:22:07] What movie are you getting on?

[00:22:09] It's a theater movie

[00:22:11] This is where you come from

[00:22:13] Like that's where my PC is

[00:22:15] The first time I got the

[00:22:17] RIT

[00:22:17] It's the first time I got the RIT

[00:22:19] It's like

[00:22:21] It's like

[00:22:23] 60th and Broadway all the theaters are called like yes tax got like 13 elevators to my escalators

[00:22:28] All those escalators

[00:22:34] Roasted yeah roasted okay

[00:22:42] I think it was the Egyptian I think we maybe

[00:22:45] Wanted common I went to go see it with him

[00:22:51] For a second. I thought you just said our friend common

[00:22:55] My Bulgarian friend common Valkovsky

[00:22:58] Yeah, his name is spelled Kami and anytime my reference and people think I'm friends with the rapper common

[00:23:03] Yes, I just did hell on wheels star common which is sort of like you know dressed for the job

[00:23:08] You want be friends with the person you want to be friends with I'm friends with someone name common

[00:23:12] Maybe someday I'll be friends with common, but you went to see with common

[00:23:15] And we were sitting sold out theater right? Oh, wow

[00:23:20] We're talking opening week opening weekend. I'm guessing maybe it was that Monday or Tuesday

[00:23:25] Maybe after this one anyway, it's surprising right? Yeah, so we're sitting on the aisle

[00:23:30] But there's one seat like we're not all the way on the aisle right we go in towards the middle

[00:23:34] So there's one seat at the end of the aisle next to the two of us and a woman a kind-looking woman comes up to me

[00:23:40] taps me on the shoulder and says hey is this seat open and I went yeah, and she went okay great

[00:23:44] Thank you and walks away

[00:23:47] Hmm has a movie is it or the previews happening now or what I think maybe the previews had just started. Okay, okay?

[00:23:53] And then she comes back

[00:23:56] Leading a man in his maybe early to mid 20s

[00:24:00] Plops him down in the chair and this is her adult

[00:24:04] Severely

[00:24:05] Developmentally disabled and then she goes and bones out sit somewhere else in the theater. Oh

[00:24:12] My god, and this is not a short or easy and accessible film no and look

[00:24:20] You know this is tricky territory. I did not know this story at all. I you know I cannot

[00:24:27] Diagnose this man. I don't know what sure exactly his struggles were

[00:24:31] I do know my struggle was

[00:24:34] He sat there the entire time and

[00:24:37] Anytime there was a woman on screen. He go. Oh my god. So beautiful. So beautiful. Oh my god

[00:24:42] So beautiful so beautiful even what alright anytime what about when Hugo weaving played a lady in the old folks home

[00:24:52] Oh any time Tom Hanks was on screen verbalized all of his emotions a beautiful woman he goes

[00:25:01] So just like a running commentary

[00:25:06] So my takeaway was I

[00:25:08] Think I like that movie. Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:25:11] Like I didn't love it and I definitely didn't dislike it, but I was like

[00:25:14] I don't know and it's like you're fucking all these like plot lines are interweaving and a lot of the connections are subtle

[00:25:19] Yeah, it's right. You go weaving there Hugo

[00:25:23] Leave I'll leave. I'm sorry Ben. Can you add in like a guitar riff anytime we get finger?

[00:25:29] Like a Seinfeld

[00:25:38] So we all had different theatrical experiences

[00:25:47] It was it was the it was the the one

[00:25:51] Up upstairs with the with the balcony

[00:25:54] I was in the bottom part

[00:25:57] Union Square one reason I don't go there a lot is sometimes you'll get you know stuffed into one of the little theaters

[00:26:03] Yeah, you know, but if you're in the big theater very nice very nice. I hate those little theaters

[00:26:07] Yeah, they suck especially if it's like you're going to see your whatever your civil war your big movies

[00:26:13] You want to and they're showing them on eight screens and like you don't know you don't know that happened with us seeing force

[00:26:18] Awakens at the MC 25 we got put one of them shoeboxes. Yeah opening night. You know, that's okay though

[00:26:24] What do you think about little theaters?

[00:26:26] well, I mean it's intimate but I

[00:26:30] Don't know I feel like I want to be I want to be in a big room

[00:26:34] This is a real conflict cuz you like big rooms, but you also like fucking that's true

[00:26:38] So the intimacy he's the fuck master

[00:26:42] Cloud Atlas

[00:26:43] Yeah, I watched it again for the first time since I

[00:26:47] Actual viewing two nights ago. Yep, and I think it's great so good. Yeah, it's great

[00:26:52] Yeah, watching it in the comfort of my own home without anyone else talking. Yeah, like a big upgrade

[00:26:57] This may went up like three points, you know sure. Yeah

[00:27:00] It was like maybe like a like a like a gentleman 6.5 and now it's maybe like like a nine, you know, yeah

[00:27:07] Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's really phenomenal

[00:27:11] So let's talk about the plot of this one because it's very straightforward. Yeah, it's easy

[00:27:14] It's easy Bobby go right. What's the plot of the movie so?

[00:27:18] Oh, which which which one should I start with should we just do it take turns with the plots?

[00:27:25] Let's all hand off that's right. So you've got so you've got several

[00:27:30] Actors playing several roles that span

[00:27:34] There's like a stock on sombla. Yeah

[00:27:36] So you've got and in every story there is you know a hero

[00:27:42] There is a love interest there is

[00:27:46] What am I trying what else is there in every story?

[00:27:50] I mean, of course, there's a struggle but then there's um, so let's just talk about the first one

[00:27:54] So you've got the movie the book end of the movie. Let's start with that. You've got Tom Hanks as

[00:28:00] You know three centuries into our present

[00:28:03] So three centuries into the future. Mm-hmm. He is living on the big island of Hawaii

[00:28:09] After some sort of an apocalyptic

[00:28:11] Nuclear event because they talk about rad levels at some point. They do they do so he's a survivor man

[00:28:17] He's a tattooed man living in a very primitive society on the big island. Yeah, a very small society. He

[00:28:23] Is feeling he's he's wrecked with guilt because he did not try to save

[00:28:28] his like

[00:28:29] Nephew just some relative relatives from an attack

[00:28:34] Hugh Grant and his cannibal friends you grant plays a cannibal in that one. Hugh Grant plays like shitty people

[00:28:41] Everyone's roles change except for Hugh Grant

[00:28:45] You go weaving is always a jerk to both of them

[00:28:47] Yeah, I guess that's true or you go weaving is always some sort of obstacle. Yeah, yeah, I guess so

[00:28:54] I mean, I only like there's in like like, you know, he's a kind of anti-semitic and what or no

[00:28:58] He's not it's racist. Yeah, he's racist in one and then he's an assassin in one and then he's you know

[00:29:05] Stove pipe hat wearing

[00:29:08] Physical

[00:29:18] Mean nurse

[00:29:21] He's a nurse ratchet type. Yeah, scary nurse. Can I just interject cuz I think who's doing a mrs. Doubtfire impersonation also

[00:29:29] He's easy sounds like this. It's very strange. It's really weird

[00:29:33] I just want to interject because I think this is like really brilliant

[00:29:36] But I think I think the final chunk of the financing came from them selling the the rights to Warner Brothers, right?

[00:29:44] And if I remember correctly there was a big New Yorker article which I suggest people look up and read about the Wachowskis

[00:29:50] Before clad Atlas came out about like where they were in their careers

[00:29:53] And how this was a big step forward for them and trying to make a different kind of film

[00:29:56] And they said the big selling point

[00:29:58] We gave to Warner Brothers was because this film was so expensive

[00:30:01] It was so hard for them to get a sense of what it would be how it would work what audience it was for and they said

[00:30:05] We came with the very simple through line, which is the movie starts out with Tom Hanks as a bad person

[00:30:10] Mm-hmm and 600 years later. He becomes a good person, right? Okay

[00:30:15] The official synopsis describes it as

[00:30:19] How one soul is shaped from a killer to a hero and an act of kindness ripples across centuries to inspire a revolution

[00:30:25] Yeah, so like I think they designed like the Hanks arc

[00:30:29] So that he becomes you know, yeah from people who are aggressively bad to people who are just sort of like got a bad attitude

[00:30:37] You know, yeah to the hero, but wait when is he oh right?

[00:30:43] In the first story I completely forgot that that's him who tries to kill Jim Sturgis

[00:30:47] Yeah, he does gold to steal his ring and some other stuff, but let's get back to this

[00:30:53] I'll try to do this succinctly

[00:30:54] But so meanwhile so he lives in this like horrible like kind of barbaric post apocalyptic society

[00:31:00] Yes, but meanwhile there is a there's a sort of

[00:31:04] Elysium type colony outside of earth and occasionally they do tests and Halle Berry is like one of these people who is

[00:31:11] You know what intelligent the 1% they have all of the cures to diseases and blah blah

[00:31:15] But they're still not doing well with radiation

[00:31:17] So every time she goes to this island she should watch out

[00:31:19] She wants to get to the top of this volcano because there's some sort of communications tower on it

[00:31:24] And shoot no one no one to space no one wants to help leader there because they're afraid of cannibals with good reason

[00:31:29] They are cannibals. Yeah, yes, and so she after after Tom Hanks saves her life

[00:31:34] He convinces her she convinces him to know he convinces her to know he saves the life of the baby. No, I'm getting confused

[00:31:41] So he I'm Hugo we've

[00:31:44] so

[00:31:45] She and Tom Hanks make it to the communication towers to get to this you know thing for some reason and then there they

[00:31:53] Uncover the truth about soon me well, okay?

[00:31:57] Anyway, so the whole point is they have to get from here through the cannibals

[00:32:00] It's a very simple you guys get to the top of the mountain and it's the mountain Hugo weaving is a green goblin

[00:32:05] Yeah, who is just in top?

[00:32:08] He's dressed old George

[00:32:11] Georgey and I think he said you know at a particularly terrifying character

[00:32:15] I think it's a very scary quite strange especially because in this already incongruous environment

[00:32:20] He is a new element. Yeah, like even more incongruous element. Yeah, but this is the book and it begins the movie and it ends

[00:32:26] We have an end to the movie

[00:32:28] The movie begins with Tom Hanks in Zachary Tom Hanks giving some sort of monologue

[00:32:33] What you find out is just bridges being run over by a truck

[00:32:36] Would you find out that he's just telling his grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren the story of you know because after all isn't

[00:32:42] It's a movie about stories

[00:32:43] It's about it's about humanity to life. Yeah, and it's about

[00:32:47] Connections through stories and it has this handshake structure where like you know things recur through these six stories

[00:32:53] Yeah, it's I so I fired this movie up my girlfriend watched 40 minutes of it and was just like

[00:33:00] It's not it's especially the beginning is daunting what it's doing because the book as you guys might know

[00:33:07] It tells one story and then it moves to the next story and then the next and then the next and the next and then meets in

[00:33:13] The middle with the big island story the future future future apocalypse and then it goes backwards

[00:33:18] It's like a parallelogram. It's it's it's like nesting dolls

[00:33:21] It's like then it goes back to the fifth story back to the fourth and it ends again with the first now

[00:33:25] This movie they abandoned that and have them all woven together, which is the right decision. It works

[00:33:29] Well, yeah, yes the first 40 minutes are throwing everything in your face

[00:33:32] It's hard because it's supposed to be kind of dancing this and the you know, it's like it's not an omnibus film because it is

[00:33:37] Interwoven and the first 40 minutes kind of it suggests that the movie is more complicated than it is

[00:33:43] Yeah, like you said the it's a pretty straightforward narrative

[00:33:46] Like and I'm trying to talk about it. Yeah, right? Yeah, you get lost

[00:33:50] But then it really there's not much to it and you know first three are a movie it moves

[00:33:56] Yeah

[00:33:56] Oh, yeah

[00:33:57] There are a couple storylines that are a little I would say a little more plotting and like some that are really exciting, you know

[00:34:03] Like it the pacing isn't like always exact. Yeah, but it's great and it's gorgeous. It is gorgeous

[00:34:09] It is gorgeous. We did forget to mention then the future story everyone talks like mutley from wacky races

[00:34:17] Holly Blair it barriers fluent in their dialect. Yeah, like every time she switches to it. It's like, okay

[00:34:22] It's a little it's just condescending

[00:34:26] Hillary Clinton goes to like, you know a church in Iowa and like has a different, you know, listen folks like she's from the Midwest

[00:34:36] But um, I think one thing my girlfriend Joanna

[00:34:40] Who we're about to see?

[00:34:43] We're gonna see the shit out of civil war with joe hans

[00:34:45] Um

[00:34:47] One thing that she reacted to when I when she watched the openings of this movie is why are white people playing asians in this movie?

[00:34:54] And questions like that or like Halle Berry shows up in the 1930s plot line looking like

[00:35:00] Looking like Madonna. Yeah looking like a weird whiteface playing a weird

[00:35:05] Yeah playing playing a jew and I said to her that's Halle Berry and she said no it isn't

[00:35:11] Which I was a fair reaction. Yeah, see that's the other thing so the big notion

[00:35:14] And you didn't have a response. I was like, well, I know what you're saying

[00:35:18] Because this this film is about the sort of interconnectedness of the human spirit and certain energies and certain dynamics

[00:35:24] And this is a recurring theme in the Wachowskis work because they are not who you look like and your you know

[00:35:29] Your identity is beyond your you know your sort of shape or your skin or your like, you know

[00:35:33] And I think there's an even simpler version of it that comes

[00:35:36] Very clear in this film, you know and looking back through the previous films that goes into this

[00:35:40] But the idea that like we're all the same. Yeah, and that's I think what I like about the the movie

[00:35:45] It's it's not about reincarnation and there's never anything where it's like the soul has continued

[00:35:50] It's just talking about we are all we're doing the same things over and over because like humans are humans

[00:35:56] I mean like question for you guys

[00:35:58] Because obviously the gambit they pull is that they cast like, you know, they have a cast of about 12

[00:36:03] And they have them all played different parts in these different stories

[00:36:05] Like if this movie was just literally like a giant ensemble piece where every story had different actors and it wouldn't work as well

[00:36:12] No, actually not. Absolutely not. I mean that was the master show because they're their whole thing

[00:36:15] I mean, I feel like there are two points you start to realize

[00:36:18] Ark over all their films are

[00:36:20] Every single person is important. You know, they detest anyone valuing themselves more highly over anyone else

[00:36:27] you know and and

[00:36:29] Structures and societies that do that, you know

[00:36:32] I mean slavery is like a big thing that comes up in all their movies in this one

[00:36:35] It's literal

[00:36:36] But both matrix and jupiter sending have this thing where people are harvesting human bodies for energy

[00:36:41] You know, like that's a big thing and then speed racer has this whole like the company

[00:36:46] Commodizing capitalism right people turning them into products. I haven't seen a crazy movie. Bobby speed racer have not seen it

[00:36:52] Oh, it's great. Uh, check it out

[00:36:53] The last line of bound which I forgot to mention when we did our bound episode

[00:36:57] It's like one of my favorite last lines of film ever where they cut in bound

[00:37:01] They say that sure was a crazy lesbian

[00:37:04] Yes drama. They say we sure got bound up in some drama

[00:37:08] No, but like bound is like, you know, they a lot of the film is about how they're different

[00:37:12] They're in love, but they're fundamentally different people and the last line is Gina Gershaw and says, you know

[00:37:16] it's the what's the difference between you and me

[00:37:19] And jeffrey telly goes what and she goes nothing

[00:37:22] And it's like they've become one person like we're all the same

[00:37:25] Fucking person when you get past the superficial stuff and so this movie gets to that idea

[00:37:31] now

[00:37:31] I mean

[00:37:32] I want to say like I like we've talked about this with the matrix sequels. We talked about with speed racer

[00:37:37] The wachowskis often are doing something that maybe the world is not ready for them to do

[00:37:42] Agreed. Usually it's something in the technological side, right?

[00:37:46] They're shooting a movie with like kind of effects that our body like our we're just it's just not cinema has not really reached it yet

[00:37:52] and they're reaching

[00:37:54] Here I would say that

[00:37:55] gambit is more the uh, multicultural

[00:37:59] Casting idea the uh, you know, the having people play all races and sizes and shapes

[00:38:04] But people don't play all races though. That's one thing. There's never blackface. There is which is very smart

[00:38:09] There's a lot of white face. There's a lot of yellow face. There is there's never black face

[00:38:12] They they wisely avoid that. Yeah, I just think it's too loaded

[00:38:16] But then uh, there was that associate like the people then the there's like the chinese american association or whatever was very upset that

[00:38:22] Because of the double standard

[00:38:23] It's like well, you do yellow face and you do white face, but why didn't you blackface and it's like there's no good

[00:38:28] There's there's no good explanation. There's not an answer because look

[00:38:31] It's gonna be problematic no matter what they do it but no matter what they do

[00:38:34] If they had done blackface in this film

[00:38:36] It wouldn't have been to perpetuate stereotypes

[00:38:38] It would have just been means to an m because that's the notion of the film

[00:38:41] Right, but the fact of the reality is for good reason. Yeah, if you put someone in blackface everyone gets upset

[00:38:47] Of course, there's too much bad history had played the slave in the first story or whatever that wouldn't have worked

[00:38:51] Right, but it's just like but that's that's the that's the ultimate conclusion you reach where it's like, you know

[00:38:56] At least they didn't do blackface. Yeah where it's almost that you can forgive everything else where it's like

[00:39:01] Okay, they made jimster just look like a korean man and they made star c and uh, keith david

[00:39:07] Yes, yeah, they did it to keep david a korean woman. I believe

[00:39:11] I can't remember and then it's like but at least there's no blackface

[00:39:14] So well, but this is the thing like you say there's no right answer to this and there's no like oh

[00:39:19] I think they threaded the needle they tried something and here it is

[00:39:23] This is what I'd like to say about it too. I I think the

[00:39:27] The uh makeup on it's it's in the the second story if we're going chronologically from the future to the past

[00:39:33] Right. The second story is the neo soul story. Yes

[00:39:37] Which is going from the future to the past, right?

[00:39:39] Because it is

[00:39:41] I consider that the fifth story, but yes, uh, so that's the one that has the most race swapping. Yes

[00:39:45] Well, right because it's set in korea, right and we have two asian actors in the cast

[00:39:49] Yeah, and everyone else is in a bay and uh, who's the other asian actor? Her name is it's oh

[00:39:54] jusan

[00:39:57] Both of them are fantastic plays yuna 939. Yeah, and both them play other people in the other stories

[00:40:02] But every other character in this film including hu grant within that story

[00:40:07] Has to be given makeup to look right asian. Yeah now

[00:40:10] That's the biggest transformation the look is very strange

[00:40:13] And it's jarring and even just from the trailer like that popped more than the other stuff

[00:40:17] Yeah, maybe we could have done better with the makeup. Yeah

[00:40:21] And when you're watching it works in the assault to some extent because it's the future already

[00:40:25] So you're like are these aliens like what is really string? Yeah

[00:40:29] Yeah, but then I would say the hu grant character that he plays who is basically just like a fat sexist uh, slob

[00:40:35] Yeah, rapist. Yeah rapist with like a topknot or something

[00:40:39] A robot rapist

[00:40:40] Robo clones

[00:40:43] He's he's tougher to get around you know because like james d'arcy and james durges are playing these sort of like very like

[00:40:50] Like conservatively dressed kind of like sort of almost like cipher type characters

[00:40:54] Like you're not quite sure what to make of them not cipher from the matrix

[00:40:57] Not cipher from the matrix or other than your mutant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um too bad joey pants isn't it?

[00:41:01] And not cipher rage we should say also

[00:41:02] But I think the the the forgivable the reason that that it's

[00:41:06] More forgivable because I think there will always be something wrong with that sort of ray swapping

[00:41:11] Is is again the the the narrative like the the themes of the movie like it's a it's about

[00:41:16] How we are we all transcend these things well and this is so when you have that to back up your your your reasoning like

[00:41:23] You get like a bit of you get like a piece of a pass

[00:41:26] This is the bigger point I want to get at which is that the neosol one jumps out not just because the makeup's the strangest

[00:41:30] It's because the one that leads with that earliest right because your first into that story is james d'arcy in that makeup talking to duna

[00:41:38] Bae who has a normal human face. Yeah, he's a korean actor, right and he's doing an accent

[00:41:42] Yes, yeah, but the other sort of ray swappings come in later in the film

[00:41:46] So like I'd say Halle Berry as a white woman comes in maybe 40 minutes sure

[00:41:51] You know a duna bae later plays a mexican woman and that's like two hours into the movie

[00:41:56] You know like all that stuff sort of becomes integrated later and the main characters are being introduced to are like

[00:42:02] People playing their own rays and duna bae's character as that mexican woman is

[00:42:07] In the credits mexican woman, right? Yeah. So it's like she's just that's what she is, right?

[00:42:14] But I think if you're watching the film from the get-go

[00:42:17] It's like okay. So why is everyone playing themselves except the asian cast is like all fucking people with weird like foreheads, right?

[00:42:25] Right

[00:42:25] It's basically the asian makeup is like a forehead that sort of like makes the brow look completely. Yeah, it like lowers their eyelids

[00:42:31] It's odd. It's really it's it's it's hard. It's hard to look at a little bit. It really is it just looks very unnatural

[00:42:38] But I think as the film goes on it sort of justifies that because then it like starts spreading the well

[00:42:42] And there's this big point that was made by Halle Berry in an interview, right?

[00:42:46] And like better to have Halle Berry herself explain us what what she appreciates about this approach because I think it summed up perfectly

[00:42:52] If she was like she was shooting the sex miss segment where she plays this this six miss. Sorry

[00:42:58] Sex Smith freddy and slip. I'd like to sex her Smith. I'd like to sex Ben Wischoff Smith. Yeah

[00:43:04] I'd like to sex agent Smith

[00:43:06] Um the you know, he's a handsome guy

[00:43:09] um the uh

[00:43:11] The thing she said is I was shooting that segment and I was in this, you know white makeup and everything and I realized

[00:43:16] Jocasta this was the old jacasta. That's her name new

[00:43:21] Please carry on

[00:43:22] I realized

[00:43:24] that uh

[00:43:25] This was the only film

[00:43:28] By by doing this by having this approach to it

[00:43:30] This was the only way that I could be in a film set in this time period and not play asleep

[00:43:35] Right. Oh is it set in a 30?

[00:43:36] You know so for like as much as you're having like Jim Sturges play a Korean man

[00:43:40] Yeah, you're also letting Halle Berry play roles that she could never play right if I could counter and I love this movie

[00:43:46] Yeah, I just think that's an interesting point

[00:43:48] Almost everyone who is in white makeup in this movie is playing a pretty minor role in the in their respective stories

[00:43:55] Because the cast is still majority white. So your main cast just to shout him out

[00:43:58] Yeah, is he got Jim Sturges who's this this the star ostensibly of the

[00:44:04] 1840s plot set on mostly on a boat

[00:44:06] He's on a boat trying to get to his wife or fiancee wife. No fiance. Who is played by tuna bay?

[00:44:12] Right, right who's playing a white woman who's only really seen right at the end, but yes, it's playing like a british

[00:44:17] Red haired

[00:44:20] As that woman reminded me of Juno temple. Did you know did you pick up on that?

[00:44:24] I was like this is very because it's just like talking to a co-worker at juno right here

[00:44:29] Uh, I reference Juno temple in the last episode too. Did you yeah?

[00:44:31] Because julian temple almost directed speed racer her father. That's right. You know, it's another thing

[00:44:36] I want to throw out just very quickly throw it out. You know how neil blonde camp is threatening to make this alien sequel

[00:44:42] Don't do it neil. Uh, I I saw aliens

[00:44:46] A couple weeks ago. I mean by the time this fucking episode

[00:44:48] Jim Cameron aliens they screened it on alien day, which is this new holiday

[00:44:51] They're trying to make happen and security we ever did like a big talk afterwards

[00:44:54] And I went with my sister rom who had never seen the movie before and our buddy rachel lang friend of the podcast

[00:44:59] Rachel Lozier

[00:45:01] And I never seen aliens on a big screen before what's your point?

[00:45:03] If they're doing this fucking alien sequel Juno temple has to play new because the little girl

[00:45:09] She would be a good new looks identical to Juno temple and that woman has never acted ever again

[00:45:13] So they're not going to get her to quick sidebar. Don't make that movie. Jesus christ

[00:45:17] Neal blonde camp is the most overrated director alive

[00:45:20] I agree. Yeah, but if you do it do it with Juno temple. No, thank you. It was a great actress

[00:45:24] So I'm just I'm shouting out the cast. I'm doing it. All right. So you got jim Sturgis

[00:45:28] You got Ben wishaw who is the star of the 1930s? We're talking lead of each story. Yeah. Yeah star

[00:45:35] The 1930s plot about a struggling gay composer trying to make it work

[00:45:40] Yeah, uh, and then you've got hally berry who is the star of the 70s

[00:45:44] Plot, which is kind of like a journalist thriller about her try Louisa ray mystery. It's a louisa ray mystery

[00:45:50] And then you've got um, jim broad bent who is the star of the current day 2012, uh, london

[00:45:58] Uh, it's called the ghastly. What's it called? Yeah, something situation of of uh, timothy cavendish

[00:46:05] I can't remember exactly but it's a bit of a a farce

[00:46:08] It's about of it. It's about an aging literary agent who is locked in an old folks home against his will

[00:46:13] Yeah, it gets a plunger to the face

[00:46:16] Which I watching again. I realized that plunger was cg

[00:46:20] Did you notice that really the I think the stick was the stick was real sure

[00:46:25] But the plunger itself was was not uh, was not real

[00:46:29] I'm gonna have to go back and check plunger was not a was not a practical effect

[00:46:32] Maybe jim broad bent's allergic to human excrement. Maybe they had to work around. Well, I think it may have been

[00:46:37] They couldn't yeah, I hear them interesting

[00:46:40] There you go. Yeah, all right. It was just pull up the glitter

[00:46:44] It's really I I rewound it and I was like that plunger doesn't look real

[00:46:47] I'm gonna pass it

[00:46:49] Then you have tuna bay who is the star of the neo soul 2144 as a

[00:46:55] Replicant woman who was a waitress at a korean a neo korean and becomes the sort of face of a movement

[00:47:01] And then you have tom hanks

[00:47:03] Who is ostensibly the star of the final plot that we talked about the great thomas hanks

[00:47:07] But they are all in pretty much all of them are in every story a couple of missing spots

[00:47:13] But you know like ben wishev plays hugrant's wife in like or jesse

[00:47:18] Like there are little like drops like that and then their support implied has also fucked jim broad

[00:47:22] Yeah, oh, oh, yeah. Yeah now why'd they cut that scene out of the movie?

[00:47:27] Jim broad bent and hugrant an old age make well no jim broad

[00:47:30] It's not an old age. No, I want to see broad bent in his real skin plowing

[00:47:35] Ben wishev as a woman the the the young jim broad bent that they use whenever he's like reminiscing about like uh

[00:47:41] The when he was like young susan sarandon was like jim broad bent. There's no universe

[00:47:49] Jim broad bent looked like that good sir. I know jim broad bent and you are no jim broad

[00:47:53] And then you have a normal person face

[00:47:56] And then they don't look like a cartoon mouse. Then there are all these supporting actors

[00:48:01] A corpulent cartoon mouse. Look, cubanaville played young broad bent in iris and that basically worked. That's fine. Yeah, that was fine

[00:48:08] You know, he's more of a cartoon

[00:48:11] Just shout out to him. Yeah, I would also cast radigan from the great mouse detective. I think could play young jim broad

[00:48:19] And then you've got this supporting cast hugrant always a villain always a villain

[00:48:23] Hugo weaving always an obstacle of some sort susan sarandon like was free that week

[00:48:33] Not really stretching herself except for I mean she wears a lot of weird makeup

[00:48:37] She always plays an aspirational figure sort of

[00:48:41] Yeah mentor in the future plot. I don't know in the future plot. She really doesn't serve much of a purpose

[00:48:47] No, uh, Keith david pops up a few times great actor

[00:48:52] Great David let's refer to him by full name the great Keith david. Uh, james darsy pops up a lot. Who's a great british

[00:48:58] Young he's not that young anymore, but handsome brit

[00:49:01] I love him and david giasi or giasi

[00:49:03] I'm not sure how you pronounce his last name who was so good at interstellar and is so good in this

[00:49:08] I didn't fucking realize that was the same. He plays he plays romily an interstellar

[00:49:11] He does the only film character in history to have my sister's name. Uh, yeah

[00:49:15] His main plot is the first one where he's the slave

[00:49:18] Who jim sturges he's and then he's got very small roles

[00:49:21] He's one of the 1% in the future

[00:49:22] He is and yeah, I think he's louisa rays like

[00:49:25] Father or father?

[00:49:28] Yeah, I think there's one other one he appears in but yeah

[00:49:30] But uh, so they're all popping up in each other's they're wearing crazy makeup

[00:49:34] And the movie kind of starts out

[00:49:36] I feel like with big chunks of each story and then it kind of starts cutting faster and faster between them

[00:49:42] As things go on let's try to set up another story because we set up the first one

[00:49:46] The new assault we've done like half the work on yeah, okay. Yeah, she's like a clone

[00:49:51] She's an yeah, this is such a cool. Visually such a cool thing. Yeah, they all pop out of these little drawers

[00:49:57] She's a clone with like a limited brain almost or something like she's been sort of programmed to not do much

[00:50:02] It's a future fast food restaurant that in order to like reduce costs on like, uh, you know

[00:50:08] staff labor

[00:50:10] clones employees who only know how to serve burgers

[00:50:14] um, but also the clones are used as as uh,

[00:50:18] you know

[00:50:19] Uh justification for going like the the clones are a selling point because it's like these these these men can like slap the

[00:50:25] On the server at your will right and there's some sort of like morality that has been completely abandoned in this future

[00:50:32] People doesn't these aren't people we see images of like neosoul seems to have been built over like drowned

[00:50:39] original solar something it's like it's sort of like a city in the sky

[00:50:42] It's like a jetson city. It's really it's it's cool. Yeah

[00:50:45] So the wachowskis we should say directed like literally onset directed the two stories

[00:50:50] We talked about the two future stories and the furthest past. Yeah, and tom feicher did the other three now

[00:50:54] Apparently the three of them all like mapped out everything together before they got to work

[00:51:00] So I think you know, they really consider themselves co-directors in every way, but technically that was the

[00:51:05] The credits acknowledge it the credit say so she she realizes she is she becomes she becomes part of a revolution

[00:51:14] um that set that seeks to like expose the truth about these clones and like have the other people revolt against like

[00:51:20] The way that the clones are being treated. I didn't really understand the the broader picture of the revolution

[00:51:25] Like what was what were they revolt rebelling against other than the clones?

[00:51:29] I that wasn't really clear to me and is that brought up in the book

[00:51:32] No, there's some sort of caste system and like there's this evil

[00:51:36] uh

[00:51:36] Like empire which is called. Uh, what's it called? You know, they say you know

[00:51:42] What do they call it?

[00:51:43] Does everyone um, you know the pure blood thing is like

[00:51:48] There's a word for it. It doesn't matter we can talk about these things called skirmishes

[00:51:52] Which is like we see a little bit of it in the movie that uh segment where they're almost arrested by these like people

[00:51:57] With like black visors and stuff and then they like there's cool shootouts and stuff are the civilians

[00:52:02] Oh, sorry go ahead. No, I was just gonna say her friend is like the first person

[00:52:06] I don't know ever but like seemingly to sort of revolt against

[00:52:09] I mean there's a scene where a guy comes up and slaps her in the ass at the restaurant

[00:52:13] This is her friend who like sneaks out at night. She's getting fucked by

[00:52:16] Uh Hugh Grant and a horrible abuse of power

[00:52:20] And uh, she like has a movie on her phone. Yes. Oh, she just I think she just has a clip just the clip

[00:52:25] Yes, uh the movie I have the title now it's called

[00:52:29] Uh the ghastly ordeal of timothy cavendish and this in the movie

[00:52:33] It's he's played by tom hanks right in the film within the film

[00:52:36] But it's the story of jim broadbeats. This is a like a over-the-top adaptation of jim broadband storyline

[00:52:44] But she gets her ass slapped one day at work and like turns back and slaps the guy

[00:52:48] And tries to escape tries to escape. Hugh Grant hits a button

[00:52:51] Her collar just fucking like explodes and her blood squirts out of her neck

[00:52:55] And it's like, okay, so this is these are the stakes like you're not free

[00:53:00] We should say there's never seen, you know the world outside of their fast food restaurant

[00:53:04] And they can choose to kill you at any time with the push of a button

[00:53:07] This story is being recounted by duna bay to james d'arcy. So we know that some sort of rebellion has already happened

[00:53:14] Yeah, she's like being interrogated. Yeah. I mean before her execution. We don't have much time. So we should really just sum this one up

[00:53:21] Yeah

[00:53:22] I think we summed that one up and

[00:53:24] Jim Sturgis is this handsome revolutionary

[00:53:26] Who jumps her in and the revolution doesn't really

[00:53:29] No work. No, but the revolution fails

[00:53:31] But some sort of she takes hold but I mean and I think in the books

[00:53:34] It's a little clearer that like apocalypse is coming to this civilization anyway

[00:53:39] Yeah, because the thing is and again these stories all shake each other's hands

[00:53:44] We've seen the fucking tom hanks story. We know that

[00:53:46] In the apocalypse world they worship the teachings of of duna bay's character who's called soon me

[00:53:51] 451 and they like worship her big like revolutionary speech that she gets and as she's and as she's about to be executed

[00:53:57] They're like well your your voice doesn't matter and she's like no, it's already been heard and that's all that matters

[00:54:01] Like this. Yeah, like you said the seat has been planted and every and in every I think in most of the aspects

[00:54:06] There's that and most of the stories there's that ending but it's it's more eloquently

[00:54:11] Delivered a little more obvious one that Jim Sturgis

[00:54:14] Right where some of the handshakes are a little goofy like that, you know timothy cavendish story playing out in this

[00:54:20] Is a weird movie with a movie which is great. I have no objection. It's just goofy. Yeah

[00:54:24] Okay, so that's that story the present day story

[00:54:26] Yeah, the timothy cavendish story is I would probably say the weakest wouldn't would you agree?

[00:54:31] But it's got some real pleasure there. Yeah, I like that. It's there too. I think it's

[00:54:36] One thing why does jim broad been say ruddy so much? He says it's so much. He won't say like any other swear word

[00:54:43] Yeah, that's my ruddy car

[00:54:45] You know what I do like about this story. Where are my ruddy keys?

[00:54:49] I like that it has like simpsons plotting where the first 25 of this story has almost nothing to do with the rest of it

[00:54:55] It's so dense at the beginning. It's a total mister act

[00:54:57] This is in the first 15 minutes of the movie we open at a book party a book launch for a

[00:55:02] A autobiography written by a london gangster played by tom hanks, of course and the book isn't doing well

[00:55:07] He's sad. He got a bad review. I believe he's he has a the clip in his pocket

[00:55:12] Yeah, he's making flirty eyes with an indian woman played by halle berry. Sure

[00:55:17] Full appearance in that storyline is just looking real good. Tom hanks is in a sorry hanks and I think we all love

[00:55:23] We probably all love tom hanks, right?

[00:55:26] Especially in the 90s, especially when we grew up with him an actor who you know stuck to like one kind of like specific lane

[00:55:32] And here he's really thrown himself. I feel like in every weird role he takes on

[00:55:37] And this is what I love about this movie is tom hanks started out as like a comedy actor

[00:55:41] He's known for being one of the best snl hosts ever

[00:55:44] But then in movies he's usually like pretty straight line

[00:55:46] Actually an upstanding dude of that sort

[00:55:48] Yeah, and like other than the lady killers may be like since from 1990 on

[00:55:54] Hanks is always playing an everyman or subversion of an everyman

[00:55:58] And then in this movie you get to see him do like his fucking mad tv reel

[00:56:01] And he you know throws a man. He throws the critic off a building and kills him kills him

[00:56:05] I mean you're watching this you're like, oh, this is weird and tom hanks is really funny

[00:56:09] But this is really strange. He's doing this cockney accent

[00:56:12] Is this just gonna be a look inside the literary world?

[00:56:14] Throw him over the balcony the critic explodes in like a it's like a bag of blood like as he hits the ground

[00:56:19] Yeah, it's pink mist. He orders two fingers at tequila

[00:56:21] He does he does put some salt on his and this turns jim brahman's character into a sensation because the book

[00:56:27] Sales goes through the roof. Yeah, and because tom hanks is in prison

[00:56:30] He's getting all of tom hanks's profits for this or revenue

[00:56:32] But then a bunch of guy richie extras try to collect the money from jim brahman

[00:56:36] So we go guy richies just they're just his brothers. They're just his brothers the riches

[00:56:41] And so he asks his brother he grant in horrific old age makeup crazy, but it's a really funny face

[00:56:49] A funny face. It's like a droopy dog face. He looks like droopy mccool from the max rebel band

[00:56:54] Yeah, we had a long conversation about the max rebel band yesterday from the i and jd

[00:56:59] Um

[00:57:01] Um, and then so he gets put in old folks. I so they want money. They want money

[00:57:06] He doesn't have it. He goes to his brother and he's like the brothers like you asked me for money all the time

[00:57:09] I'm not giving it to you this time. He's like with my wife

[00:57:11] He was my wife and then and then he realizes I could really fuck you over and he's like, you know what?

[00:57:16] I will give you the money go to this hotel. We'll figure it out lay low for a little while

[00:57:19] Lay low, but he doesn't realize that he's just signed his life away to this horrible old folks home

[00:57:25] Which is brother has a steak in it

[00:57:28] And so where everyone is just mistreated and it's it's prison for old people

[00:57:31] So that's the first 25 percent that story and then the rest of that story is just

[00:57:35] Jim broad bent trying to plan an escape from gathering a bunch of senile folks and trying to break out

[00:57:41] Like the big action scene is this just them trying to figure out how to start a keyless car

[00:57:45] Yes, and like eventually figuring out that the button that says start is how you turn the car on and there's a very rewarding

[00:57:52] Like with the with the old man who can only say what does he only say one thing sort of guy?

[00:57:56] Yeah, but then at the end he like finds his voice

[00:57:58] And helps them out and it's like very sweet, but this one is the only one that's like done explicitly with voice over narration

[00:58:05] It's a comedy. It's explicitly supposed to be funny. I feel like it's got like jaunty music

[00:58:10] It's farcical and it's got this sort of through line that we talked about where he's like oh

[00:58:13] And also I remember like all of a sudden he's like I remember when I was a kid and I wanted to hook up with

[00:58:19] Uh this lady and then like I held a cat over my like uh genitals when the parents rumbled

[00:58:24] Like you get this like seen out of nowhere the cat scratches his dick

[00:58:27] He falls out a window and then he makes a really good pussy joke. Yeah, and then and then he's just like so

[00:58:32] That's why I never uh saw her again. And you're like that's that's why you never saw her again

[00:58:37] That feels like a reason to see her again in the book this I had a question for you since you'd read it

[00:58:41] in the book is

[00:58:42] Is this a movie is this adapted into a movie? So it is a movie within the book

[00:58:47] Um and and in the book it's more she doesn't get to watch it until doona base care

[00:58:52] Soon me doesn't get to watch it until the end of her story. It's like her reward before she dies

[00:58:56] You get to watch the movie. There's something like you can understand why the witch house keys and

[00:59:00] to viker would be into this because it's like in the other in the other instance in the other stories you've got

[00:59:05] uh

[00:59:06] Her story like soon me's story

[00:59:09] Her story soon me's uh

[00:59:12] Uh acts are what have caused ripple effects

[00:59:16] And it's like all these actions like these brave actions have caused ripple effects

[00:59:19] But in this one, it's like a movie. Yeah is what has the transformative thing persisted throughout all these generations

[00:59:25] It is what inspires soon me. Yeah

[00:59:27] Like his story itself only has an effect on like eight people right

[00:59:31] But then the movie that's adapted for because you assume he writes a book out of yes

[00:59:36] This story the book is funny. It becomes a movie. The movie is this frank haper-esque like noble

[00:59:42] I will not be like imprisoned against my will and people are affected by it and the power of art. Yeah

[00:59:48] Okay, so that's that storyline. Okay, so the the previous storyline the san francisco storyline is probably the simplest in a weird sort of way

[00:59:54] Because it's just like this supposed to be this kind of like hard boiled like

[00:59:59] Mystery so woody in the like a silkwood kind of exactly the book. It is subtitled a louis array mystery as if there's a series of

[01:00:06] Louisa ray mysteries right? Yeah, we see that frobischer

[01:00:08] I mean not frobischer fucks are you know cavendish the publisher in the next story wants to publish one of these louis

[01:00:13] Away mysteries that's the handshake there right so tally berry. She's the daughter of a famous journalist

[01:00:19] She's a journalist. Yeah, but she's kind of a she kind of just does um, she does puffy. Yes

[01:00:23] She's puffy, but she's trying to be

[01:00:26] By this magazine. Yeah, and the other puffy stuff she does is marijuana

[01:00:30] Oh, yeah, she's like the 70s

[01:00:32] Yeah, puff in that dinkley. She has like a kid friend who lives above her

[01:00:36] Yeah, maybe my least favorite element of the film. I'm not sure why that's in there a lot of stuff in this movie

[01:00:40] Yeah, I just don't like that kid. Uh and yeah, he's it's not a great performance. It's a very stage

[01:00:45] You know mom coached she's trying to expose this nuclear power plant. That's like unsafe or whatever. It's unsafe

[01:00:52] intentionally so and owned by

[01:00:54] coal companies or oil companies

[01:00:56] To destroy your powers like reputation so that when this nuclear power plant like melts down and kills hundreds of thousands of people

[01:01:03] No one will trust nuclear power again. We'll have the oil and cool. Yeah

[01:01:07] The handshake there is that james darsie's character who is younger in the previous story is now old and like wants to expose

[01:01:14] But gets assassinated. Yeah, like and but the I feel like the crucial point of this story is the music itself

[01:01:22] Yes, is that that she is drawn to this music the cloud atlas sex death?

[01:01:26] Yeah, right. Yes, which recursed through all the movies, but this is the one where it's like physical

[01:01:29] Where the person listens to it a bunch. Yeah, and it's like talked about they're like

[01:01:32] Oh, this music is so familiar

[01:01:34] But like so rare and strange the guy at the record shop hears it for the first time and he's like oh, this is amazing

[01:01:39] Yeah, but then at the at the book party where time hangs there's a guy at the window

[01:01:43] The band is playing a song lyrics said to that

[01:01:46] In the neo soul story jim broadbent's an old blind musician playing it on his future

[01:01:51] His future organ. Yeah, whatever it is

[01:01:53] And I think that's that's that's one of the most impressive things about it to me because it's uh, I was thinking about

[01:01:59] Stranger than fiction remember that movie?

[01:02:01] Yeah, we talked about it in the last episode

[01:02:03] And so last week, but you know like anytime a movie tries to represent

[01:02:08] Uh, you know high art and it's never quite right and it's Stranger than fiction

[01:02:12] The amitompson character is supposed to be this like beloved

[01:02:15] Wonderful novelist and every every every quote you get from it is awful. It sounds like it's like a freshman in college

[01:02:22] It's I mean I was we in griffin

[01:02:24] We're just talking about that because we were talking about this movie and I was talking about mr. Holland's opus

[01:02:28] I don't know if you've seen mr. Holland's opus, but you know when the opus is finally played at the end and it's kind of

[01:02:33] It's a little underwhelming. Yeah, close chance. Um, but in this it's like they they managed to create a piece of music

[01:02:38] That does sound like the type of thing that would be that inspirational

[01:02:42] And as we get the next the next plot which is about the composing of that music by this uh, this uh,

[01:02:47] young english composer robert frobercher

[01:02:49] Yeah, uh the great benjamin wishoff who is working as an eminuensis to jim broadbent's grumpy old

[01:02:56] Composer of something vivian airs or something and I love the structure of this one

[01:03:00] Which is we start with him in james d'arcy in bed the hotel manager's knocking on the door

[01:03:03] Well, we actually start with him committing suicide in a bathtub. Oh, yeah

[01:03:07] Yes, um, and and he slips out the window with just the guy's waistcoat

[01:03:12] Right, and he's about to go on this trip to go work with a composer

[01:03:16] And the rest of this uh story is told through letters that he's writing to james d'arcy

[01:03:21] Who's his great love that he can't be with which is are these letters are then discovered by somebody by

[01:03:27] Is by helly barry. Yeah, yeah, yes, right. There's a lot of

[01:03:31] But he composes this music in the poses while he's working for broadbent's composer

[01:03:36] Broadbent's like a great composer who's sort of gone to see like old in the books

[01:03:39] I think it's more clear that he's like blind and syphilitic like a gross old man

[01:03:43] Um, but so he's sort of giving him scraps and ben wishoff's turning into something more

[01:03:48] And he thinks this relationship can become some sort of symbiotic thing where he helps him out and then eventually

[01:03:53] Uh broadbent will throw the spotlight back onto him and give him the spotlight for this grand opus that he's working on

[01:03:58] Which is the cloud atlas sex tech. It is his magnum opus

[01:04:01] It is the defining work of his life. And so the music for this film was composed by tweaker

[01:04:06] Tviker and his friend. Um, I forget his name

[01:04:09] But it sounds like a terrible idea. I mean as you said yesterday david

[01:04:12] Reinhold hail and johnny clayman. This shouldn't have been good. Yeah

[01:04:15] This music shouldn't have been good. When you hear that the music is going to be crucial

[01:04:18] You're like, oh who they gotta get like what big name composer are they gonna bring in for this?

[01:04:21] And I bet david mitra was like that's gonna be the hardest thing

[01:04:24] That's right. You need to nail that right because in the book obviously you just go it's the best music you've ever

[01:04:30] It's a crazy haunting piece of music that recurs throughout centuries great

[01:04:34] But you said yesterday when we were talking about it

[01:04:36] You were like, can you imagine the meeting where they're like, what are you gonna do about the music?

[01:04:39] And then one of the three directors is like, I'll take care of this

[01:04:41] I got it. I got it

[01:04:43] Seeing run little run did that

[01:04:46] Because like fucking you know like clinton eastwood and rariga score there on films and when you watch those movies

[01:04:50] You're like, yeah, this is yeah, clinton eastwood put a finger on his finger on a piano. That's how he scores

[01:04:54] It feels like an afterthought it feels like the director just being like I just want to get this finished

[01:04:57] Let me just

[01:05:00] He didn't he eventually stopped doing it because like I think even he realized like yeah

[01:05:03] Me just strumming on a guitar for grand terino may have been his last one

[01:05:06] Because the grand terino song from grand terino is the craziest thing in the world the one that he kind of like

[01:05:14] It's so weird. You know what no he did do the music for american sniper

[01:05:17] Oh, he did yes, he did because there's there's a track at the end

[01:05:21] There's the cue that he wrote at the end of american sniper over the footage that I think is really good

[01:05:25] And they've never released i'm looking for the music. It's the thing. I like most about american sniper

[01:05:30] I like bradley cooper's performance and yeah, he's good in that

[01:05:32] Yeah, I like it when there was that weird baby that everyone made fun of yeah that movie's just confusing

[01:05:37] I don't really remember to be honest and I saw it

[01:05:39] I saw it twice because I just want to have some solid opinion about it and I still just so nebulous in my mind

[01:05:45] What else is who was what's the name of the other guy?

[01:05:48] Dviker's friend

[01:05:49] So by the way eastwood did not compose the music, but he composed one theme

[01:05:54] Oh, so it's just this end theme that I can't

[01:05:56] Some other guy is not on the soundtrack. Yeah, it's called tanya's theme. It's really good

[01:05:59] Anyway, uh the fine wait well should we say anything more about the wishtop?

[01:06:04] I feel like we just want to get everything down because we're running out of time

[01:06:08] He's uh, you know trying to write this magnum opus and hoping to get back to his his love

[01:06:13] He realizes vividian is just gonna screw him. So he yeah, it tries to kill him. He doesn't yes

[01:06:17] He's on the run. Shoot him though. He's shoots him. He's on the run to fuck him. I mean, he's like can't figure out where

[01:06:22] Emotionally stands with this guy. What do I gotta do? What do I gotta do? My enemy is my lover

[01:06:26] I'm gonna expose you as a deviant also having an affair with his wife

[01:06:30] Halle Berry played by Halle Berry now in the book that affair is more

[01:06:33] Fleshed out. Yeah, and is a big deal. It's a little thrown away and is more of the problem

[01:06:37] Like the affair whereas in this it seems to be more like artistic jealousy

[01:06:41] Than it is like emotional jealousy

[01:06:43] And the affair in this is sort of thrown out is just sort of like he feels indebted to them

[01:06:48] It's just he says it's just uh, he says it's just physical. It's just it's not like I'm in love with this one

[01:06:54] Because he tells the boy friend that yeah

[01:06:56] Yeah

[01:06:57] But the thing isn't you know

[01:06:58] He's doomed because it does start with

[01:07:01] For a movie that's already playing so much of time almost every story kind of starts in media res or something like

[01:07:06] And it starts with him in a bathtub about to kill himself and he kind of know he might not make it

[01:07:10] Like and the way these letters sound is almost like it's like long goodbye to his lover

[01:07:14] But he kills himself after completing the he does the composition and we connected that

[01:07:19] Darcy gives the documents

[01:07:22] Is the entryway into the story for louis arre and the sequence that I fucking love there's like an

[01:07:27] Elevator which a I like any scene that's shot with one dominant color

[01:07:31] Right, which is red like the lights go off and it's red

[01:07:34] Which sort of gets back to I think this witch house idea of like we're all the same because if like you're in bright red

[01:07:39] Like that then like the color of your skin is no longer visible

[01:07:43] And it's the idea that she like is I started harp on the scene, but I just like the scene a lot

[01:07:47] I know we're moving backwards. It's great. It's really really good. She comes out of a hallway

[01:07:51] They live she he lives in the same building as her

[01:07:54] She's at a party this guy's hitting on her. She's clearly like

[01:07:58] Fucking man like famous guy. Yeah, like I can't fucking deal with this gets in the elevator

[01:08:02] He holds the thing open for her. She's like nice to see the chivalry isn't dead

[01:08:06] He of course we know is a gay man

[01:08:08] And she's in this safe zone where in a world where everything's like a threat to her either like a physical threat or sexual

[01:08:13] Threat here's this man who like treats her with respect and listens to her appreciates her like career

[01:08:18] Yeah, and they're just in this red box

[01:08:20] You know having this connection and at the end of it he sort of as they talk about journalistic principles

[01:08:26] How far she'd go with her story the responsibility she feels to the people

[01:08:29] He decides as an old man with very little to lose

[01:08:32] You know who's already lost his great love has been living in the wake of this

[01:08:35] To give her the first key to this story because he thinks she can save the people right?

[01:08:39] Yeah, I just love that. No, I love it too

[01:08:41] And I think that's them

[01:08:42] You know the makeup is always a little goofy but like old Darcy looks okay

[01:08:46] I think it's probably the best makeup job

[01:08:48] Yeah, also from the future people apart from Hugh Grant cannibal which I think is tremendous makeup

[01:08:53] It's under it's but the I think they overaged him because like in the time and like the timeline

[01:08:57] It's only like 35 years

[01:09:00] He looks like he's 90 he does look like he should be about 60 but I think yeah, you're right

[01:09:05] Yeah, I think they went over the top of it. Hardak ages you know hard egg age is true

[01:09:09] He's had a sad life

[01:09:10] And then the final story or do you want oh no, the final story in 1849 in the Pacific Islands is about

[01:09:19] He's a lawyer. I think like he's like a businessman of some sort played by Tom Sturgis

[01:09:23] He's got like a nice suit and hat

[01:09:25] And he's gone to the Chatham Islands, which is like off the coast of New Zealand to

[01:09:30] Negotiate something and he like has this encounter with a stowaway slave on the ship when he's going back to England

[01:09:38] And they form a connection and he like saves this slave's life

[01:09:41] The slave because evil Tom Hanks is trying to kill Jim Sturgis to like steal his you know treasures

[01:09:47] Right a lot of stuff's going on. He's like a poison doctor

[01:09:50] Yeah, so we slowly poisoning him

[01:09:52] So like he will die and then he'll just take and he wrote these letters that are being read by six

[01:09:58] By frobischer in the next story that you know Jim Sturgis

[01:10:01] Care and and only happen right and frobischer is like

[01:10:04] I'm finding out what happened. Yes, right. Yeah, it's this sort of great account

[01:10:08] And you've got like Jim broadband is like a mean ship captain and there's this really fun sequence where David

[01:10:14] Giasi like scales these sails of the ship and like

[01:10:18] Did we set up David Giasi's character? He's a slave stowaway. They're planning on killing him

[01:10:24] Well, he he shows up in Jim Sturgis's room. They didn't even know he was on the boat

[01:10:29] Because before they dock they get to they're on land and and Jim Sturgis has to watch this guy getting whipped

[01:10:34] And it's like this is horrible. He sort of just turns and I you know goes along as if nothing happened

[01:10:39] This guy stows away on the ship and he's like, please please please my life is in your hands

[01:10:43] Don't kill me and Sturgis is like you're skilled

[01:10:47] I I should tell them that you're here so they can hire you as a hand

[01:10:51] And he's like, okay if you're so good on a ship then why don't you you know lower impress us lower the sails

[01:10:56] And he like starts climbing up what this guy's the fucking most physically impressive dude

[01:11:00] I've ever seen maybe sure he's a great shape. Yeah, but he's doing like crazy shit with like just one rope

[01:11:06] And he's like climbing a whole it's a really cool scene

[01:11:08] Um and the second he starts climbing Jim Brabant's like give me my fucking

[01:11:12] Give me my whiskey right right and we're gonna shoot this guy. Oh no, I don't think he well

[01:11:15] I think doesn't he ask someone to shoot it doesn't matter whatever

[01:11:18] Yeah, but the plan is like he's like what you just said you give him a chance

[01:11:20] He's like I don't fucking care. Right. He's a slave. I'm not going to do that

[01:11:24] And Jim Sturgis in this moment, you know sort of knocks him off trajectory

[01:11:28] The guy drops the sail and they realize how impressive he is right and Jim Sturgis saves this man's life by giving him, you know freedom

[01:11:35] And that's the thing about now that we've covered all that's the thing about these movies

[01:11:38] He's like little things kind of build over like, you know, like we like ripples like, you know, like small acts of

[01:11:44] Kind well, there's no such thing as a small act is kind of what it's also saying exactly right

[01:11:48] and I mean the

[01:11:49] Final is it the final line of the movie? It's a crucial line in the book

[01:11:53] And it's definitely one of the last lines in the movie where

[01:11:56] He's saying like this character is reunited with his wife fiance duna bay redhead

[01:12:02] And says like i'm gonna be an abolitionist like I don't think like let's say probably the worst makeup job in the entire

[01:12:07] Phone it she looks like raggedy and she looks um, yeah

[01:12:11] And uh like and he says i'm you know, i'm gonna be an abolitionist and I decry the slave movement

[01:12:15] I think Hugo weaving is the one who's like you kidding me like, you know, you'll be a drop in an ocean or whatever

[01:12:21] Anders

[01:12:23] And he says like what is the ocean if not a multitude of drops or way? Yeah, and that's beautiful

[01:12:28] And like that's the idea right that's the whole fucking idea

[01:12:30] I

[01:12:32] My story about singing the theater was incomplete because I

[01:12:36] Sobbed at that line. It's a great line sobbed at it and like and like it's it seems like a very easy

[01:12:41] Cloying little thing but it it's so effective especially after two and a half hours

[01:12:45] Well, this is the thing

[01:12:46] I feel like a lot of the things in this movie when described sound cheesy or they sound easy

[01:12:51] Even like or like they sound like a little too obvious

[01:12:53] But like the whole impact of the movie is that you're seeing this like you

[01:12:57] It all works because it's all together and like what like when it's built to that after three hours

[01:13:01] And you're like so in and the music is with you and

[01:13:05] You know when you see the closing credits and you're like, oh, there's some hey

[01:13:08] That guy

[01:13:12] I mean here's here's a thing for me. Okay, and you know, I like

[01:13:16] Overanalyzing these things psychoanalyzing these things. I know you hate it when I do this

[01:13:19] No, I don't always hate it. I just sometimes hate it. I think this one's fine. I think you won't have objections better

[01:13:28] Sorry guys, uh, hurrah from um

[01:13:32] We've talked about in our matrix episode how the first matrix film spawned a lot of bad things from people who misinterpreted

[01:13:38] What was going on the film right? Absolutely the men's right movement. I mean, uh, combine was blamed on the matrix

[01:13:43] Which I think was in Korea the matrix completely spawned the men's right room, but they certainly took

[01:13:47] But the red pill there are all these elements that people misinterpreted, right?

[01:13:51] Yeah, the matrix didn't create bad people

[01:13:53] But bad people looked at the matrix and were like this is reaffirming that thing

[01:13:56] I believe and misinterpreted the film and then did shitty things in the name of the matrix

[01:14:01] And even the worst of all was just the new metal movement, right

[01:14:05] But what's your point about this movie?

[01:14:07] Okay, so then uh, the matrix reloaded revolutions become super philosophical and like away from the cool badass stuff

[01:14:13] And then speed racer in cloud atlas and I think this continues onto Jupiter sending a certainly

[01:14:17] Sensei from what I understand although that's the thing I haven't seen yet. Me neither. Have you seen sensei bobby?

[01:14:22] Yeah, no, I think sensei's kind of doing the same thing as this except no makeup this time, right?

[01:14:26] It's just different people. Yes, okay, and they switch minds within different bodies. Yeah

[01:14:31] Um, they become so thoroughly unconcerned with seeming cool

[01:14:36] They become so achingly sincere, which is a term I've used before but that's a good point though

[01:14:40] Because speed racer is like that. Uh, certainly speed racers is very open-hearted like a straightforward emotional movie

[01:14:47] And there are all these like desperate

[01:14:49] pleas for people to look around and respect each other

[01:14:51] And realize that like the matrix was this narrative of the one

[01:14:55] Like you're gonna save everyone your job is to save everyone because everyone's important

[01:14:58] But it's still putting one person on the pedestal

[01:15:01] The rest of the movies become about like everyone's fucking important

[01:15:05] Every life is important the way we all treat each other is important

[01:15:08] You know everyone is everyone has given it the opportunity to be like the hero

[01:15:12] But then in seeing the way everyone interacts you realize that everyone was already here to begin with

[01:15:17] And it's this idea I talked about in the speed racer episode where at the end

[01:15:21] The reason why that final race doesn't play out as like an underdog moment for speed racer to win

[01:15:25] Is it's as much about his family winning

[01:15:27] It's about this guy who they believed in and who they love wins and they most of that sequence

[01:15:31] Beautiful film you'll cry but but and in this movie

[01:15:34] I think there's also that weird optimism of like even if tom hanks is a

[01:15:38] Mean old quack in this story like you know, there's a chance for progression

[01:15:42] And there's a chance for like heroism to like you know sort of take root over several generations and like maybe pay

[01:15:47] You know like progress is possible

[01:15:49] But these movies feel like them constructing like a hundred million dollar soap boxes to stand up and go like

[01:15:54] Please be kind to each other

[01:15:56] Which so many people like who have I think turned against their works

[01:16:00] There's like that's fucking corny and cheesy and they go in broad strokes

[01:16:03] But it's clearly so impassioned and genuine. Yeah, you know, and it's like either this movie is gonna work for you

[01:16:09] Or it's not but for me

[01:16:10] I think all three of us when you hit that final line and it's so simple and it's so direct

[01:16:14] And jim sturges is a guy who's good at like when he's misused he feels like a wet blanket

[01:16:19] But if given the right words like this, it's like he just feels like a really good guy

[01:16:23] Yeah, what do you think is sturges?

[01:16:24] Bobby, I'm not a big fan of jim sturges. I think he's fun. I think I'm with you

[01:16:28] I think he's good in this. I was I found myself thinking about him for the first time in a long time while rewatching it this morning

[01:16:33] Yeah, I was just like, oh, I like you but I don't really understand like

[01:16:37] Why I why he's just I think he's just he's kind of fine. I mean he's about to be in a tv show

[01:16:42] I hadn't thought about him for a while. He's about to be in uh, oh the sturges and swim and make the food or whatever

[01:16:47] That's what's called. That's the proper title. When did he make one day?

[01:16:49] I'm right after this right after this

[01:16:51] That was sort of his last big leading man thing. Yeah that then that bombed

[01:16:55] Let's briefly we should wrap up but let's briefly talk about the box office

[01:16:59] Yeah, and then there are two other segments. I want to do but we'll let's talk about the box office

[01:17:02] Okay, because it's 1 p.m. I know we'll be out of here. All right, forget the box office. What segments do you want to do?

[01:17:07] No, let's talk about the box office. Well, it opened to 9.6 million. It was such a bummer

[01:17:11] Awful it just it just it actually did well over net overseas it made about 110 overseas

[01:17:16] So like totally collected like 130 or something like that. Yeah, but it made 27 mil

[01:17:22] Yeah, that's terrible. They thought it was going to do like 20 million opening weekend

[01:17:26] Which still would have been low for how much the film cost and then like the

[01:17:30] Reasonable expectations were like the lowest it would go is like 15 and then the storm hit and it was like nine

[01:17:35] And the movie never recovered. So can you give me the five? Can you release?

[01:17:39] Number one is a movie that had been number two the previous week

[01:17:42] Oh really?

[01:17:45] Okay, so it's 2012. It's october. Is it a horror film? Nope. It's an oscar winning film

[01:17:50] Argo. Yes. Okay. Number one number two cloud atlas. Okay. Number three is a film you've talked about multiple times on this podcast

[01:17:57] I know exactly what film it is. It is hotel trance. Oh, man

[01:18:01] Number four is a horror film that had been number one the previous week and obviously collapsed like 70%

[01:18:07] You know in city is to no fair guess

[01:18:10] It's one of those, you know, yeah sinister. No

[01:18:13] Sinister is number nine. Oh really? Yeah, give me a slight hint. It's a four a paranormal activity for

[01:18:19] Yeah, and then number five is another horror movie that uh

[01:18:23] I mean so with three hormones in the top ten simultaneous over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

[01:18:30] Uh, give me one hand on the other. It's a sequel adaptation of a video game

[01:18:35] Silent Hill whatever it's called resurrection revelation

[01:18:39] Forgot about that one with john snow and maybe other people is ronald mitchell back in that one

[01:18:43] No, I think it's adelaide clemens. Maybe or someone like that. It's one of our young stars of tomorrow

[01:18:48] But you know

[01:18:49] I mean, it's no surprise and it seems like if the storm was when like that was part of it

[01:18:53] Then yeah, it seems like everything sort of conspired against this movie anyway, but there's a literal storm

[01:18:57] I forgot also the storm of hotel trance.ylvania. I mean that film there was just chaos in the wake of it

[01:19:02] It was impossible for any other movie to open after ht, you know, but I forgot about everyone was checking in

[01:19:07] But we do have to do it for two weeks day. We do have to do the burger the sweet

[01:19:12] Right, that's one of the things you want to do. Yeah, I'll do it quickly. So then we have three segments

[01:19:16] I'll do burger pork. Oh you had two other segments. Yeah fuck. Yeah, Jesus Griffin

[01:19:20] And we also have a book report, but we'll read that next week. Yeah, we're not doing that this week

[01:19:23] Uh, I went to hollyweird recently. Yeah, do you know about the burger report bobby? It's where we talk about uh burgers

[01:19:28] Yeah, yeah, okay, but when we see famous eating burger

[01:19:30] So you went to holly I want to hear the story though

[01:19:32] You went to hollyweird you were looking you were you were trying to start a burger report

[01:19:35] I was in hollyweird for two days, right? I had to do a table read for the tech

[01:19:40] And I had like I flew out we did rehearsals did the table read and then the next day my flight wasn't until 10 p.m

[01:19:46] So I had a full day. I had to check out of the uh hotel at like noon

[01:19:50] So I had like eight hours

[01:19:51] Yeah, I had eight hours until I was gonna get picked up to go to the airport

[01:19:55] And I decided I'm gonna leave my bags at the front desk and I throw on my sunglasses

[01:19:59] I'm gonna do an eight hour burger crawl

[01:20:02] I'm gonna go to as many burger places as I can

[01:20:05] I only ate two I won for lunch. I won for dinner, right?

[01:20:09] No, I didn't even get one for lunch. I only won for dinner. Okay

[01:20:12] Uh, so literally what I was doing. I was a uh skittish uh young man wearing sunglasses with a heavy backpack

[01:20:19] Walking into burger places scanning the horizon and immediately walking out

[01:20:23] So I think everyone called 911 after I left

[01:20:26] I looked like someone like a like a someone planning my next domestic terrorist

[01:20:31] You know, I understand I understand

[01:20:33] But I I lost track at a certain point. I think I went to

[01:20:38] At least 12 burger places perhaps 15. Wow, what but what were you doing in these places?

[01:20:43] Walking in scanning walking out. Oh, I see so you didn't take seats in it

[01:20:47] No, I mean at one place like halfway through I got a beer, you know at one place

[01:20:51] I used the bathroom

[01:20:52] I understand but I didn't want to spend money on ubering so I would like okay

[01:20:55] What's the closest place? I'd yelp that I'd walk there and I go. What's the next closest place?

[01:20:59] I'd walk there. It's filled up eight hours. Okay, okay, but no sightings

[01:21:03] I'm going through all of them fucking nothing right and I'm going all over the place. I'm going chains. I'm going local

[01:21:09] I'm going hole in the wall. I'm going like bars that serve burgers, right?

[01:21:14] I everywhere. Fuck. All right. All right. No one's eating up. No one famous is eating a burger. No famous

[01:21:19] Anyway, okay, so then I'm walking and I like had one last place

[01:21:23] I was gonna go to and that was like and then I'm gonna get the fucking lift

[01:21:26] To come pick me up from this place bring back to the hotel go to the airport, right?

[01:21:30] And I'm walking to this final place and then I look and I see a sign

[01:21:34] This is a burger place it says burger on the signage, but this didn't show up on my yelp. Okay. What's this place called?

[01:21:40] plan check

[01:21:43] That's a plan check. That's a weird thing. That's weird. Wait. This feels like a sign from the gods my podcast

[01:21:48] The sign from the gods is also the worst name burger joint I've ever heard of yeah, but but that's why p l a n

[01:21:54] Check okay, so you go into your two letters off

[01:21:57] You go into plan check kitchen and bar on fairfax avenue or wilshire boulevard

[01:22:02] Uh, I think it was the one on fairfax, okay?

[01:22:04] And I sit down very close to the door and I go I'm gonna keep my head on a swivel

[01:22:08] I had a delicious burger an unbelievable burger. I think I got the plan check burger that said chiller one

[01:22:12] Which had salt on the bun

[01:22:14] Which was interesting fun and delicious sort of pretzel bun or just a salted regular bun with salt

[01:22:20] Oh, I see it. It looks very nice. It was a great fucking burger swivel that uh, that's green over David

[01:22:25] Yeah, this is a chicken burger. Yeah, but uh, but oh

[01:22:29] It was delicious. I got waffle fries. I had some delicious local come in this little cast iron

[01:22:35] Yeah, yeah very cute very cute place. It was hit and I'm there

[01:22:38] I'm getting there like seven o'clock right and I was like, okay. I need to leave for the airport in like an hour

[01:22:43] head in a swivel look around

[01:22:45] A bunch of young hip people are coming in. I was like this feels good. This place feels like a hot spot

[01:22:49] It's a Friday night or Saturday night. It's a bar

[01:22:52] Fucking people are coming in I'm eating my burger. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. This is where it's meant to be and who walks in

[01:22:58] I gotta know

[01:22:59] Jacob Robinson

[01:23:01] Don't know who that is

[01:23:03] He's one of my my dad's old graduate students

[01:23:06] At NYU my dad teaches at NYU and it was that that's it. Yeah, I came up short

[01:23:10] I went to fucking 15 burger places. Did you talk to him? No, I didn't I wasn't sure if he remembered

[01:23:15] All right. Well, maybe we shouldn't end on such a um

[01:23:19] You know, well griffin do you have any other things you want to do? Well, I was gonna add

[01:23:22] I have a burger report. Okay. Okay. Go on Ben, but I don't want to you know add too much time here

[01:23:28] Uh, but it was it came up in the book that we are referencing the book reports M night Shyamalan's book about education

[01:23:34] Yeah, uh, and so in the book, uh one of our fans referenced on twitter that he actually went to the spotted pig

[01:23:41] Right. Yo, you mentioned this to me that that was a haunt of his and that in the books

[01:23:45] It is a regular on a work at the spotted pig bobby. Just okay. Okay, so I actually never

[01:23:50] You never saw I never saw you may not have been looking for him but but but the story does it end there

[01:23:57] because

[01:23:58] as a bartender

[01:24:00] You have to help stock the bar and that includes grabbing fruit

[01:24:04] Okay, sure lemons now. Perhaps let's say him nice Shyamalan one night. He came in he had a burger

[01:24:09] And he was like i'm gonna have a Manhattan

[01:24:11] Okay, he ordered it with the orange twist

[01:24:16] I handled those oranges

[01:24:18] Boom

[01:24:19] We're telling some stories with a little end with a real cloth

[01:24:22] So ben your story is if he worked to avoid a drink maybe his lips touch an orange that you had once touched

[01:24:30] That's right. Well, that's not a burger report. That's a that's a fruit fact

[01:24:33] All right, bobby has something he wants to say

[01:24:35] Well, it's not a burger report

[01:24:36] But I can tell a really quick

[01:24:38] But sure that is not my story about an orange twist

[01:24:42] So this is now this is

[01:24:45] I will try to do this in 30 seconds

[01:24:48] I'm not good at this. This is a new segment called the orange twist file. This is the orange twist a friend of mine

[01:24:54] Was in la uh

[01:24:56] For whatever reason the city of angels she was waiting. She was at uh

[01:25:00] Sunset towers. That's what she was staying. Yeah, she was at the bar. She was waiting for her wife

[01:25:04] Yeah, and was at the bar was just getting a manhattan alone ordered a it was very crowded because there was an event going on

[01:25:10] There was a wedding outside that was of a

[01:25:13] Person who's friends with the famous person

[01:25:15] So there were famous people at the wedding, but they were not like super famous people

[01:25:17] They were mark mcgrath. They were famous people. Okay. So mark mcgrath was one of the guests

[01:25:24] My friend uh is he said I am the median my friend be friends mark mcgrath's mark mcgrath's wife

[01:25:30] Not knowing it is mark mcgrath's wife. So they're talking at the bar. She orders the wife is very drunk

[01:25:36] She orders a rye manhattan. Oh, and she hears a man say what's that?

[01:25:41] That man was mark mcgrath. Oh my god, bobby. So

[01:25:46] They be could they have like cloud outlets all the stories are shaking each other's hand

[01:25:49] They like talk she talks should be friends mark mcgrath. He's very nice. So is his wife. Good to know her

[01:25:56] Her rye manhattan comes it's not a twist of an orange

[01:25:59] It is a slice of an orange. You know

[01:26:02] Garnishing on it's old garnish garnish garnish and mark mcgrath says

[01:26:06] I feel bad because this isn't my story, but i'm i'm taking it mark mcgrath says

[01:26:11] Is that toast?

[01:26:14] In a million years i couldn't have predicted that finger she said no it's an orange slice

[01:26:19] And he did he say oh cool. I don't know. I don't know what he was talking about the story

[01:26:23] They they they that's where the letters if we were reading the letters. They were just cut off

[01:26:27] Is that toast is that toast?

[01:26:28] Uh, that's great. That's a great story. Uh, if you have any orange twist

[01:26:31] If you have any orange twist stories you just tweeted us blank check

[01:26:34] If you're uh, if you're listening to this in the future, um, hey, what's up? Uh, this is how we were living in 2016

[01:26:41] So this is thank you ben if you have a case you want to report to the orange twist file

[01:26:46] Submit your case griffin i'm desperate to know well

[01:26:48] We can save the book report for the jupiter ascending episode

[01:26:51] But what was the other thing you wanted to do?

[01:26:52] I wanted to do a speed round performance review where we just picked which performance from each actor was our favorite

[01:26:58] Well, that's all right. Well, that's pretty easy actually

[01:27:01] But I think there's a more important segment if we're only gonna do one

[01:27:04] For the first time ever a guest has perhaps come in pre-loaded with their own merchandise spotlight

[01:27:09] Oh

[01:27:11] We forgot about there is a piece of merchandise in this film that I didn't even know existed

[01:27:14] Yeah, Bobbie was coveted. I feel like I want to tell me about this off mic the spotlight

[01:27:18] You want to talk about it? I won't spend the money on it. Um merchandise while I was rewatching it this morning

[01:27:23] I noticed that there was you know, they had when holly berry goes to the record store to buy the cloud atlas sex set

[01:27:29] It's like packaged very nicely and I was like, oh, I wonder if pretty it's got like weird sort of its colors

[01:27:35] It's really like a mountainy kind of it's very cool

[01:27:36] And so I don't I don't know why it made me think like oh, I wonder if they actually made this

[01:27:41] If they actually pressed it and this is a playable version of the sex set and I

[01:27:45] It sounded like something it sounded like something the speed racer car was a drivable car. They like to make things

[01:27:49] Yeah, so I started just do like some very

[01:27:51] Preliminary googling about it and trying to see if it was real turns out they did

[01:27:55] Use it. They did press it. They pressed a limited number of copies

[01:27:58] They sold them originally for like

[01:28:00] I think it was only on sale in the uk and they sold it for like 30 euro is where I found people talking about it in 2012

[01:28:05] Ben sounds like he's dying by the way

[01:28:07] There aren't many left there aren't many left and if you want to buy it now you can find it on ebay

[01:28:11] You can find it new and it's about

[01:28:14] $300

[01:28:16] I think

[01:28:17] Griffith just smiled with interest. There is one on ebay right now

[01:28:21] The auction ends probably around 2 p.m. Eastern tomorrow. I'm gonna keep my eye on it

[01:28:25] It was currently at about 50 dollars with eight bids with 36 hours to go. That's gonna go high. That's gonna go so high

[01:28:32] I have a green cougar weaving over my shoulder right now going you better buy it now

[01:28:37] Buy it now option make an offer. It's new. It's not gonna be available again

[01:28:41] What's the reserve it's factory sealed, but it has a crease on the upper right corner. You can handle that

[01:28:47] You're a superhero. What else you gotta spend money on? I mean literally isn't the whole score is it literally the sex set

[01:28:52] It's the sex set and then a couple other things. They just fill they filled the vinyl. Yeah, right? Yeah

[01:28:56] Um great merchandise by like you don't want to do a rapid performance review. Yeah, let's do it

[01:29:01] Okay, really go through each actor you pick your favorite performance favorite Sturgis

[01:29:05] I weirdly think it's neosol me too. Yeah, I think I might be that

[01:29:10] As problematic as his look is but he's quite dynamic in that. Yeah, he's really it's a movie star performer

[01:29:15] With Shaw is obviously the composer. Yeah, that's really his only big role. Yeah, and berry is probably louisa ray, right?

[01:29:22] I think she's very nice in the future. The big guy in the future. I think louisa ray is my favorite

[01:29:25] I think louisa ray might be my favorite Halle Berry performance ever

[01:29:28] I was gonna I was gonna say that she's very good

[01:29:31] Really the scene of them on the balcony is like really great

[01:29:35] And I was gonna say that's my favorite tom hanks performance in the film too

[01:29:37] I think him is Isaac the scientist very brief performance

[01:29:40] It's brief but it's kind of like quintessential hanks because it's the type of decency that's hard and those two have a really really nice

[01:29:47] Chemistry there in both of those brought a lot of heart and soul to the London gangster. I just really really appreciate what you do with

[01:29:52] That's a fair no. I actually love hanks throughout the movie. I love hanks. Just throwing him. I love watching him

[01:29:56] And Jim broad bent. There's only one option, right?

[01:29:59] The blind musician

[01:30:01] Oh

[01:30:04] What's the option? What's the option bob? Whatever whatever the guy's name

[01:30:06] Um, and the little cabin day. Yeah, ready cabin dish

[01:30:10] Yeah, I keep David has to be in the louisa ray storyline as like her like protector defender hugo weaving for me

[01:30:16] Oh, it's gotta be oh no. I'm gonna go the green. I'm going green. You're going green goblin

[01:30:22] Uh, he would have been a good green goblin. Yeah, he'd be a great green

[01:30:25] Uh good good getting this spider-man. Uh, who know if you like this is a major actor

[01:30:28] Well, duna bae is wonderful. I think she should have been Oscar nominated as soon to me. Um, she's terrific. Yeah

[01:30:35] I do feel wait, isn't that what's your name now? You grant oh, oh, yes. I'm sorry. Yes

[01:30:39] Now I think Hugh Grant is an underrated actor who obviously is like clearly a nightmare to work with and a really lazy actor

[01:30:44] Who does a lot of bad movies and only works with guys who butter them up like mark waters or whatever

[01:30:49] But when you put him to the chat test he's good

[01:30:52] That's what's weird. It's like good in this. What's his name mark waters that guy

[01:30:56] Mark waters is the guy who made like two weeks notice and right like in the last 10 years

[01:31:00] 75% of his films have been written directed by the same guy who did fucking two weeks noticed

[01:31:04] Did you hear about the morrigan's the rewrite which is the one that didn't even come out?

[01:31:10] There was another one music and lyrics

[01:31:12] He does like one or many comedy every three years with the same director

[01:31:15] He'll do like Richard Curtis, but he hasn't done that since love actually. Yeah

[01:31:19] He like rarely. Yeah, but this film. It's like you get a full meal like he's giving you like five different dishes

[01:31:24] Well, so what's your favorite?

[01:31:25] I I mean, I liked him as the cannibal because it was just it was surprising for me

[01:31:29] He made a good cannibal, but I think my favorite was him as the uh nuclear guy on the loose way

[01:31:33] He made a very like deliciously like sleazy like CEO. It's good sort of performance. He was good

[01:31:39] I was gonna make a joke earlier. I forgot it, but in that segment he's playing himself

[01:31:43] Yeah, right. He's essentially just playing the evil version of like just with um with a fatter tie

[01:31:47] Oh, yeah, very good. Yeah, uh, my favorite one is is him his fucking broad ben's brother. Yeah, he's

[01:31:51] He's doing something. Oh, yeah, fuck yeah

[01:31:54] That's how about calm down

[01:31:57] Um

[01:31:58] So this has been fun. Yeah, uh, Bobby, we should all listen to who weekly if you're not listening to who weekly

[01:32:04] Then who are you exactly? Um, I don't know is there anything else we have to plug?

[01:32:10] Uh

[01:32:13] I'm trying to think because this is gonna come out so far in advance. That's true

[01:32:16] Well, you're making the tick. I'm making the ticket the time you're listening to this

[01:32:19] I'm probably just unless he's been

[01:32:22] Don't even say

[01:32:27] I'm still waiting for the day where they're this is the last time we're probably gonna record it until you'd make the tick

[01:32:32] So like next time when you're on mic, well, you'll probably have made the tip

[01:32:35] This is a saturday right now and I start filming on tuesday and then for two weeks

[01:32:38] I'm not gonna do anything else other than uh, make that tick make that tick

[01:32:42] Um, I'm doing a show at union hall my my the griffin joe holiday spectacular on the 30s

[01:32:48] Is it memorial day at 7 30? That's the plan. We're gonna memorialize memorial day after it's happened

[01:32:54] Uh, yeah, thank you like that. It's it's moving. That's moving. Yes

[01:32:58] But I believe it's tuesday the 31st may 31st at 7 30 at union hall

[01:33:02] You and I are about to go see the shit out of civil war

[01:33:05] Yeah, which at this point will be a month old when you're listening so who fucking gives a shit

[01:33:08] Hey, but we're gonna see the shit out of it. We saw x-men apocalypse lately

[01:33:12] Yesterday the embargo doesn't lift until monday. Yeah, but by the time this air is

[01:33:17] It'll be about to come out in theaters. Yeah, I almost texted you last night just one more time saying the embargo doesn't lift

[01:33:22] Can we share our opinions just because this is gonna be a time capsule and it won't release?

[01:33:25] Oh, yeah, it's a dog shit movie. I give it a gentleman's five

[01:33:29] Yeah, bad. We can talk about it in more depth later. I feel like uh, I

[01:33:34] Even though the embargo has not yet lifted

[01:33:36] I just like that you have fucking with the embargo because no one's gonna hear this until now

[01:33:39] Uh, my quick take on it is the x-men are in it. They have pretty faces and they punch people a gentleman's five

[01:33:44] Yeah, it's really bad. It's a insulting movie. It's very long. It is very long in the end

[01:33:50] Just stops it becomes white noise. It stops making sense. Can you repeat what you told me when I asked?

[01:33:54] Uh, you said you asked me you we were talking about people who didn't like

[01:34:01] The joke okay, uh, I I liked x-men apocalypse. I thought it was fine

[01:34:05] You know, it's not a great movie. You know who really didn't like x-men apocalypse

[01:34:10] She has to deliver this big emotional monologue near the end and she delivers it

[01:34:13] Like there's a gun being pointed at her. She's like the uber's outside right now

[01:34:18] You're promising me that the second I get this on film as always we got to wrap this up. Yes

[01:34:23] Griffin cloud atlas. Yeah, as always

[01:34:26] I just realized we didn't cover like half of the plot like that we we didn't conclude any of the plot lines

[01:34:31] What do you mean?

[01:34:31] We didn't get to the part where she finds out that they're like stripping the other clones and feeding the clones

[01:34:36] That's very matrixy. Yeah, well, there's three movies where people are being used as

[01:34:41] Right and

[01:34:45] We covered most of the plot lines, you know, they shoot the fucking signal into space and you know, tonhanks get married to

[01:34:51] Halle Berry good movie watch it be crying to other people

[01:34:55] Uh, bobby, you're the best. Thank you for being here. Ben. Ben. Please don't die. You guys are the best Ben

[01:35:00] Oh my god

[01:35:01] I just love ben making dirth vader noises in the background of this entire episode

[01:35:05] This is it. This might be ben's last episode. No, I'll be back

[01:35:09] But we'll be back stronger than ever. We gotta stop next month

[01:35:12] We're gonna read uh next month next episode. We're gonna read a book report that someone sent in

[01:35:16] We got a book report to the nite trauma book. So look forward to that. Maybe I'll see a famous

[01:35:20] eating a burger and you know commissary or whatever, uh and and as always

[01:35:26] By the cloud out was vinyl on ebay

[01:35:33] Griffin why can't I find this one fucking god which whose line is it anyway?

[01:35:39] It's it's uh

[01:35:41] Oh, I see what you I that took a while

[01:35:45] These these bottles are all the rage. I see these bottles everywhere. I know I know it's I jumped right into that

[01:35:52] They're good, you know, I'll leave it cold water. I leave it in a hot car. It's still cold another another big

[01:36:00] In addition to chick filet drive-thru which Texans love

[01:36:03] They love their yeti tumblers. Have you heard of the yeti tumbler? I have not. What is that?

[01:36:08] It's a brand of

[01:36:11] Cooler but also

[01:36:14] Thermal technology

[01:36:16] That keeps drinks very cold for a really long time. Okay, and so their their coolers are really expensive and they're really like bulky

[01:36:24] Uh, you be dropping a few hundred dollars for a cooler. You be dropping

[01:36:27] Um, like four or five hundred dollars for a cooler. That's a lot of money

[01:36:32] No, yeah, but yes, okay fair enough, but it takes a hot place

[01:36:35] But the more affordable entry into the brand is the not that it's a tumbler

[01:36:41] So you've got like your it's big and then it and it fits in the glove compartment

[01:36:45] In a cup holder way out the log you're talking about. No, it's uh

[01:36:49] It's uh

[01:36:51] Sorry, no, I it's only 32 ounces. Okay, and it gets you know thin at the bottom right right

[01:36:57] Like a soda cup they keep it's a metallic lid and everything else is there like special technology

[01:37:01] That's probably about 75 dollars for your tumbler. You look in a car in a parking lot and a lot of them

[01:37:08] They've got the lower end model. That's maybe 45 50

[01:37:11] This is only like 35 dollars

[01:37:13] And so a friend of mine her father has one and he was visiting her

[01:37:18] He was like, I got my yeti tumbler

[01:37:19] I think his kids gave it to him for Christmas

[01:37:21] He was like I left my I left it in the car

[01:37:24] And I and I got back in the car after work. I'm looking at him right now

[01:37:27] And he was like there was still ice in my water and I was like is that like what is that Bennett? Like you're supposed to be like

[01:37:35] Uh, okay, I couldn't find the one I was looking for I found a different one. Uh, all right. We gotta go

[01:37:38] Yeah, we're starting right now. Uh, ben, please put all that yeti tumbler. Uh talk at the end of the episode

[01:37:43] No, sir. No problem. Yeah, okay. Cool ready? Yeah

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