Collateral with Katey Rich

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Don't talk to me about murder

[00:00:41] All it ever took was a down payment on a Lincoln town car That girl, you can't even call that girl So what the fuck are you still doing hosting a podcast? Oh, what if Vincent came here and he made us assassinate people through the radio?

[00:00:57] This is my new game and I feel like it's become very fertile It's just really working further language of podcasting Not just cramming the word in Not just cramming the word in to substitute So that it has some meaning That's good

[00:01:12] Cause I feel like Vincent's gonna come in at some point to our show Throw you out the window? Yes, throw me out a window Which will take very little force He'll just walk in and I'll throw myself out a window You know who's scary? Tom Cruise in Collateral?

[00:01:27] Vincent Yeah, yeah, yeah, very scary I forgot how much he's just like Jaws in this movie Yes, he's like an animal Or a robot, like he's like a robot animal Right, he's like a Terminator dog Yes, he is Cause he sort of sniffs, he does these great sniffs

[00:01:43] Yeah, I'll be bark You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know what I'm... It's like he's saying I'll be bark I'm gonna call Vincent Get him over here I gotta job for you buddy Too sweet He's got like a robot voice in the thing

[00:02:02] There's something about it where it's just like I don't know what you're doing exactly But he's got like a voice munch later in his throat He does have it, yeah I think he worked very hard on that voice And it's a weird thing, I feel like

[00:02:12] It was the manner of speaking We've talked a lot on this show about old TC 14? And also TC, what, 52? What are you just seeing now? I think he's like 56 Overland, Wilfred Brimley and Cocoon Yes, I mean that's very true 56 and he's gonna be 57 in July Okay, so old...

[00:02:31] And he's planning on going to space or whatever the fuck The Mission Impossible movie is gonna do, right? He's gonna drill to the center of the earth Let's start calling him TC57 Can we do that on this show? Sure Okay, it's old TC57

[00:02:42] You could also call him TC4 Because technically he is Thomas Kruse Mupati IV Yep, I don't like that Fair enough TC57's funnier Got a good rhythm to it It's got a good rhythm He, we've talked about him many times on the show Because he likes working with

[00:02:57] Oh, Tours, directors who have mastered success early on in their career And have given a series of blank checks Make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby Our producer is very, very excited He's so proud of you

[00:03:12] He lit up that I got to that that quickly It was so good And it was so seamless And it was really massively done See Here's the thing now He was interested Or he was into that Right, working with the O'Tours Right Now, and the weird shift is

[00:03:26] He moves out of O'Tours He becomes Mr. Syfy Action Movie Guy That's right Which he previously not been much of an action guy Right But I think a thing that we all like About modern Tom Kruse action movies Is there all these meta-narratives about Like, he's finally like

[00:03:44] He's lost it And he's trying as hard as he can to hold on to it As much as he can Right And I think he becomes a more interesting actor When Wrinkles finally starts showing up on his face Because for so long he was so perfect

[00:03:57] And this movie is a weird example of like You see how much effort went into Trying to make Tom Kruse look more worn down than he was Right So you say this is no Wrinkles on his face yet Or not as many I think the Wrinkles are prosthetic

[00:04:09] And the grey and his hair The Wrinkles are prosthetic, it's all prosthetic The grey and the hair feel like it does He loved his look in this so much That he renewed his passport In makeup Really? Took a photo of himself because he was like

[00:04:22] I'm not gonna look this good You know, whatever I'm gonna look this good You know what? I bet that's why he starts to let himself age after this Sure I mean a little bit He doesn't look 57 He doesn't But I also think He becomes a more interesting actor

[00:04:35] When he has bags under his eyes When he's in like Edger Tomorrow Or the last couple of Mission Impossibles And you really feel the like tension In that guy He had the youthful cocky energy for like A decade Right, that was his thing

[00:04:48] He was one of those guys who had to fight it 20 solid years Of just He's the youthful cocky guy This is still him trying to fight His innate voyaciness Right, this is Tom Hanks doing Road to Perdition Or whatever where it's like Yeah

[00:05:02] You've never seen me like this before Murderant Right You've never seen me murderant It's crazy that he did this Yeah Only in retrospect now That stars at this level don't really do this It's When you read about who they wanted for him Right

[00:05:19] You know like Russell Crowe being the big one You're like right that was all make sense Right guys who are innately kind of scary And when you Now I just think like well of course Tom Cruise did collateral He was in collateral but yeah it is It is

[00:05:29] He never did a role like this And what's crazy is this is kind of Magnolia Magnolia's exception It's like 20 minutes But yes, yes Magnolia This is But he's a dick in that movie Not a Murderer Murderer This is kind of his last like big sort of

[00:05:45] Eye through the sheer will of being Tom Cruise Can make a movie that wouldn't be a blockbuster Into a blockbuster Because the next year is War the Worlds and the Couch Yeah Yeah no that's the crazy thing about this Is watching him stretch like this

[00:05:59] And knowing the fall that is coming for him Right And that he has since recovered from Which is also crazy And being like this was a hundred million dollar Summer film Yes this was an August film And it worked It worked It did well overseas Right

[00:06:13] It was a DreamWorks This was a DreamWorks movie I think Yes I think this was when it was still just pure DreamWorks no other Partner Yeah and 400% This is one of man's cheapest movies One of his shortest One of his shortest which is funny because It did well

[00:06:27] Yeah And doesn't look cheap No Looks like it would cost money And it's long And it's fairly long Right But for him this is a lean fucking movie This is a tight This is his only movie that is kind of A conventional thriller Manhunter is the other one

[00:06:41] In its basic element I would say But manhunter is about a broken man Who can never go home Yeah manhunter is crazy Right Like this movie has like a traditional Relatable protagonist One also it has a one sentence pitch Right Rare as man movies usually don't Right

[00:06:55] Like man movies are more Right this is kind of high concept And actually functions Pretty high concept In the way that the premise implies Rather than most man movies where you're like Oh it's like these stars doing this And it's like yeah but it's like really

[00:07:08] They're like inability to connect to other people Right Which it is It is but it's all of those things In a more direct sort of presentation That he usually gives So it was able to work as like a down the middle

[00:07:19] Like well we talked about how it used To be like every August there would be One kind of high brow action movie That would perform well What do you think about Like the born slot I think Those movies play The bornies Right

[00:07:33] There are other ones I'm trying to think of now That I'm forgetting Well let me take a look I don't know pick a year We talked about this on Little Gold Man A couple weeks ago Yes that's what we talked about

[00:07:41] I knew I talked about it with someone See I was there And the person I talked about it with From Vanity Fair and the Little Gold Man Podcast Katie Rich returning to the fourth time Catherine Rich I'm so excited to be here Catherine Rich Your name is Catherine

[00:07:54] It is yes What's your middle name Hasty Yeah I love how when you guys talk Middle names too Because my child who has been A previous guest on this podcast His middle name is McGookin So I always think of McGookin McGookin It's the best middle name

[00:08:09] The prisoner himself McGookin I was Charlie Yes can we have a Charlie update Because a fan told me Because I mentioned Charlie on the Assassin's Creed Ooh and I haven't listened yet I mentioned that he loves the movie Sing which he may not love anymore No he does

[00:08:24] Okay right I mentioned that I had a video of him singing My Way I thought that My Way was I can't remember who sings My Way Seth MacFarlane sings My Way He's a mess Of course he does Oh man Y'all want to talk sing

[00:08:35] We can talk sing in a second But someone tweeted at me like It was so nice to hear that Charlie Like he's, you know Is not a baby anymore It's like, you know Nice to hear a Charlie update And I was like right

[00:08:47] Charlie was like mentioned on the show He was part of the show His life cycle is part of the show now So it's up with Charlie Well I Face-Tied him before I came into The studio and showed him every bus And taxi and bicycle

[00:08:55] And she went to New York City And he was psyched So that's where we are He's in the vehicle phase Oh yeah well David last time You saw Charlie And he was in the car And he was screaming at a cement mixer Outside the restaurant

[00:09:05] I also took him for a walk At one point You guys were at the farmers market We walked down the street Oh yeah And he was just pointing at every God damn card saying it was yellow And then he'd be like What color is it actually

[00:09:15] And he would say the actual color Yup He was in that phase where he sang Everything was yellow He told me Well now that he's really into taxis So yellow taxis Yellow taxis Really taxis He loved collateral Sure Or taxi Brooklyn Taxi Brooklyn The show you were on

[00:09:29] Which is based off of the Taxi franchise Which is sort of France's rush hour It's like preeminent 90s action comedy The premise is very similar to this Sure right It's just a cop in the city of Paris Right yeah right

[00:09:43] I think it's a cop loses his driver's license And so he has to have a cab driver Drive him around on his case You know here Which is also the plot of Stuber In theaters this summer Right right which is Uber

[00:09:54] Right that's the update is that it's Uber Right But that is the plot of that But yeah here's some movie Here's some summer grown up movies from I picked a year 2002 That grossed almost 100 million or more Okay Panic Room Rote to perdition Some of all fears Sure

[00:10:09] I'll say we're talking there's an April, a May And I believe a July in there But they all functioned in that way Well panic room is the April July is Rote to perdition And May is some of all fears That's right I pulled all three of those

[00:10:21] So do you know that Doing great Doing great And oh a very grown up movie Triple X Right which was in August That was the austere August blockbuster Well in this year it's Hobbes and Shaw So you want me to find the August

[00:10:36] Right you're narrowing it to that very Because we were arguing That's why it came up on Little Bold Men That Hobbes and Shaw has taken that First week of August slot That used to be the austere And now that has sort of become that Guardians of the Galaxy

[00:10:48] It's the Guardian slot It's like the last big blockbuster Of the summer Right if you're either last week Is July first week of August I would argue the Andy Sturk is playing the Apes movies Ran that slot They were always last of July First of August

[00:11:01] I want to give you more In 2003 it was SWAT Um yeah It's a great quarter of a movie I'm not saying that I agree That movie for grown ups That I love In 2004 it was collateral Right Right In 2005 What do we have here David's looking

[00:11:21] 819 was the 40 year old version That doesn't really count Saw that on a date The dukes of hazard For grown ups Oh Jesus Well the other The other corollary to this Is that it's the help And the butler slot Yeah It's the last blockbuster And maybe an audience friendly

[00:11:36] Oscar contender Of course in 2006 It was Barnard The original party animal Uh Nolan Nolan was almost always The last week of July guy He likes that last week So I say Dunkirk, Dark Knight, Rises Inception all played that kind of game Where it's like

[00:11:52] Here's the slightly more intellectual Even when it starts to become more franchisey You know The borns as you note Always are there Ultimatum I think public enemies had this No public enemies was early I want to say Was 4th of July Would you like to know

[00:12:06] Why I know when public enemies came out Because I was in a screening Of public enemies on the Upper West Side In 2009 And the lights were about to go down And I saw a text that Michael Jackson had died Wow In the magazine context

[00:12:16] In which I saw public enemies So that would think late June Wow Um that sounds right Pineapple Express in 2008 Weird Yeah that was that weird That and Tropic Thunder came out at like Right next to each other Yeah But the key to this slot I think is

[00:12:33] Things that still can play down in the middle Have conventional like summer movie appeal But then you can kind of pat yourself on the back To be like You know there's some stuff going on there When did heat open

[00:12:43] Heat feels like it would have fit this back way Heat came out on Christmas which isn't same He came out the week after Toy Story They thought it was an Oscar play Because it had Pacino and De Niro Um but Yeah but there was another

[00:12:53] Should have come out in August The problem was they thought To one it's hot They thought De Niro and Pacino for the first time Was going to be all it took to break the box office But they didn't realize that the week before

[00:13:03] For the first time Buz and Woody Were on the screen They had never been Do you realize before Toy Story Buz and Woody Had never been in a movie together before People had been clamoring What about in a towering inferno They're not in the same scene

[00:13:15] They're never in the same scene What about Bob Carrol and Ted Nellis Are they in that one Fuck you're right, they are in that one But that's a very That's a small part I know it's very weird that it's in the movie Right

[00:13:27] I could do that all day just trying to think of a movie To put them in Griffin does that on his spare time I think Yes he does No question Collateral Well the other thing to note about collateral Is that Michael Mann is emerging Or maybe

[00:13:42] Choosing to emerge from his sort of more Oscary phase of his career Insider and Ollie Which are expensive movies that flop Right and he was supposed to be kind of both Yeah and he was supposed to be kind of like

[00:13:54] Exactly and last of the Maheekins kind of was too You know like he's like Where he's like okay maybe That's not what he says but Maybe he's thinking like I should make a movie star movie That's more of a straight down the line Thriller than like an Oscar

[00:14:07] And I think Russell Crowe is fully anointed At this point He's the guy who really helped push Russell Crowe Over the edge So Russell Crowe now is going to dream works Maybe read through the scripts they've had on the back burner See if I like anything

[00:14:18] He brings it to Mann And I think that's a sort of like I have capital I want to work with this guy I know this guy is the real deal Here's a movie with all of the themes That he's interested in But it's a little more straightforward

[00:14:31] So he gets on because of Crowe And then when Crowe drops out He still retains the same level of control Mann keeps it he Because he swaps in TC TC, TC 57 I have so I have not listened to the episodes you guys have done already

[00:14:45] Because they have not They have not erred So after all David's raising his hand Like he wants the teacher to call on him So the insider and Ali Like have their own Oscar trajectories Did they both lose money Like is Mann coming off of these Like presbytes

[00:14:57] But bruised Yes They both lost substantial amounts of money The insider lost so much money Guess what else Can you tell me what studio Released the insider? Hint It's the studio that today announced That Avatar 5 is coming out in 2026 The insider The Walt Disney Corporation

[00:15:17] They love losing money Released the insider Which cost $90 million and made 30 The insiders are for quadrant of end film What if on that schedule It just said untitled insider Sequel Yeah He's even more inside Than ever before So Russell Crowe has to like

[00:15:36] Lend his credit to get Michael Mann Post-insider obviously Crowe has become a big star And I think it was that idea Of Crowe going like look You made two movies in a row That lost a ton of money But both well liked And obviously the insider

[00:15:49] Got a lot of Oscar nominations Which any studio respects But there's that thing That we talked about Who did Ali? What studio is Ali? I want to say it's Columbia I think, oh yeah of course it's Wilson Right I think and we've talked about How Michael Mann's check

[00:16:02] Was always conditional on the fact That he was always able to get One of the top stars at the moment Yeah He's always working one of the Big five guys 100% Right 100% and the funny thing is That in Miami Vice It's Jamie Foxx Right Right

[00:16:16] You know that Jamie Foxx This year Who Mann's already worked with Becomes a big enough star That he can go up to Mann At the premiere of this movie Right And say Michael Right Miami Vice We gotta make that movie I can be tub

[00:16:30] But then this is the run Of three straight Michael Mann's summer action movies Yes Totally Right, yes, yes 100% And the other two They're kind of confused by Co-animal they accept Miami Vice made some money But was kind of a bomb And people were confused by Public enemies

[00:16:45] Made a lot of money It did People were confused by Yeah, very confused by Black Hat made no money And people were very confused Just because I want to bring this up Even Michael's confused Because I want to bring this up On every single episode Katie

[00:16:57] What do you think The final domestic total on Black Hat was A movie that comes out After The Avengers And cost a hundred million dollars This is fun I believe the keep Is where we discovered this It was like a Everyway release Like January

[00:17:09] Okay, this is like January This is like January 2013 I cannot during like A snowstorm on top of El Nino Whatever I've already told this story before But it was one of those days Where the city was like No one leave their house And I was like I'm afraid

[00:17:23] Michael has a glossy black hat Well my thing was I was afraid that by the time The snowstorm ended And people were allowed to Leave their house Black Hat would be out of theaters So I went to see An 11am black hat on the day

[00:17:34] Where they were like All businesses are closing At one And I was like I might just get trapped In the magic Johnson theater Right, just watching black I might be here for four days If the storms as bad as they're saying I might be here for four days

[00:17:45] Because I chose to see black hat You could have boosted The domestic total so much I would have kept paying Every day You paying every day Would have increased the total Run it again Okay, guess the final Domestic total of black hat Starring four

[00:17:59] I think this is going to be too high I'm gonna say 18 million Wait Drop the one I'd say 8 million 8 million Did it clear? Double? Did they release it wide? Like was it Oh, very wide 2500 screens They took that fucker all the way by 2561 It was gone from theaters

[00:18:18] Within a month Yeah, for three weeks It was on 2500 screens And it's fourth week Oh, I'm seeing here It went down to 200 screens And then it's fifth week Oh, oh Negative 8000 screens You know, when I talked to Soderberg He said this thing that I think is true

[00:18:35] Which is like You know immediately If your movie did well or not Right, yeah Like on Friday morning It's over Right It's either over or it isn't And there should be a button that you press That just puts it on Netflix If it flop Yeah

[00:18:48] Where he's like just fuck it You know, who cares Like with Unseen He was like trying to do this Like yeah We're gonna do like a semi-wide release And he was like Yeah, on Friday we were like Oh yeah, that didn't work Yeah And now he's like

[00:18:59] Just put it on iTunes Right now I don't care Yeah, no I agree with that I think there's one outlier In the last Five years Yeah, right I think that's the only movie To open that poorly I wonder what the conversations were like

[00:19:13] Do you think Fox was like Fuck, you know like when the numbers came in Yeah Or do you think there was anyone who was like Well, you never know Maybe it'll grow or like the cinema score is good You know like where's there someone who saw

[00:19:23] The magic of the horizon But I feel like the huge actman saw the future And said Well, he saw the future I want the greater show Yeah well he can see across the sea of time I feel like when people were doing Like the box office analysis

[00:19:32] After that first weekend I love it when Katie's on Cause this is all we do I know I was talking about collateral No, go on, go on I feel like when it came out And the people were analyzing it After that first weekend They were like

[00:19:44] Look it's the holiday season So maybe it has a decent multiplier And it ends up at 60 Sure Right It opened at eight Yeah Right It opened at a black hat total Right You made your box office in black hats They were like

[00:19:57] Fuck it looks like one black hat It's a one black hat weekend We were hoping for a three black hat weekend Well if you ever spend like Christmas break Like maybe reading the news last Like all of a sudden you go back in January You're like

[00:20:06] What the fuck happened with greatest showman Like it's needs that money Right cause there was that second weekend Where it did 187% of what it did the first week It had a positive It didn't drop So Endgame was 44 black hats Just FYI It's opening weekend

[00:20:20] You're just gonna do the math now But I feel like When people were handicapping it They were like Look maybe it has a decent multiplier And it ends up only losing 80 million dollars As opposed to 150 million dollars But they were like The only play Fox has here

[00:20:35] Is to try to put it on Broadway I mean Like maybe they recoup it by like Turning it into a Broadway show But the movie's not gonna work theatrically That logic made me You spend 50 million dollars on a Broadway show That made no sense Right

[00:20:48] But people were just going like I guess Fox is fucked on this one Well in the end of the day If you include worldwide gross Greatest showman was 54 black hats Wow A full 54 black hats 434 million dollars Wow For the greatest showman But of course

[00:21:05] It was the greatest show It was the greatest show Which Hugh Jackman does say Like two seconds And this was them They sang all about it This was them Yeah It was them And America said never enough America said never enough Gotta go back a second time Right

[00:21:18] Yeah that's true They even said never enough for preys Never Never Never enough My favorite song We had Ben for part of the conversation And he's gone now He's back now You haven't seen the greatest showman? Paladoral No I don't like musicals Oh you creep

[00:21:31] My dad hated musicals growing up Like he refused You're gonna yell at your dad So we were a non-musical family You're raising your kid right Yup And I'm so open to learning more About musicals But I'm very turned off by them We gotta do a musical series

[00:21:45] You gotta show a musicals Before Cats comes out I'm worried that he pees cats We'll lose him I know you'll never see another woman Cats lost a generation Like cats on Broadway No it kinda did Like so many people are aging Oh that's the musicals I bet

[00:21:57] Yeah cats in phantom is like nonsense Like I don't know They don't know They don't know Do you like cats though? It's about cats I'm a cat I met Pig recently and I was very happy to do this She's good

[00:22:08] We gotta show Ben some of the gangster musical Like cats and dolls Like cats and dolls And west side stories Oh yeah west side story There's some good crime musicals Ben Interesting Yeah well that's a true You know west side stories Kind of a scumbag musical

[00:22:21] Oh yeah a bunch of refians Okay More than Rando and Frank Sinatra Yeah that's guys and dolls That's guys and dolls There's a character named nicely nicely Okay wow Alright I'm getting more on board And you know what also I wish that movie was better It's just okay

[00:22:34] I've been hanging out with somebody I'll give her a shout out Nelly She's into musicals Wow So I think I might This is insane Ben You better mark the time in case you need to delete this She's been saying that she's gonna show me about

[00:22:50] This qualifies as a Benny on the record She's gonna show me This is not the record This is not the record About musicals So I Really Yeah and she actually is gonna take me to see King Kong on Broadway Hey As you tweeted this I gotta see

[00:23:03] Oh baby it's big I feel like Ben might cry seeing King Kong on Broadway Yeah I mean it is big It's about as big as the musical could be Visually stunning I've heard the show is good Yeah Anyway I've heard the first thing

[00:23:15] I heard about the visually stunning part Anyway I'm all for learning about musicals Sure I think Ben would love anything goes He'd love anything goes Tap dancing you like tap dancing There's not a great anything goes movie as far as I know

[00:23:27] There's one movie that is not really an adaptation They changed 98% of it It sort of would be hard to adapt Because it's very plot like Can I say something? I think you have but go on On this podcast May I say another thing please

[00:23:40] No no no go ahead I've kind of always been like I'd like to direct anything goes movie Go for it Because it's kind of one of the only classic ones That hasn't been done Hasn't done right It doesn't feel like someone's rushing to do it

[00:23:51] And I'm like that could maybe look 15 years The closest we've gotten is the Daddy's Boy musical number In Kimmy Schmidt On the boat Yes That is one of my favorite jokes in the history of television Is when the movie is starting again Yes And Robert Osborn realizes that

[00:24:08] Daddy's Boy again You know what Kimmy Shred has? Jokes Such good jokes Especially those for But honestly even the like slightly weaker Last two seasons like just great jokes Yeah God I just finished the Tim Robinson show That thing fucking rules Jokes That thing rules

[00:24:24] Speaking of jokes collateral It's got some jokes It's got a couple I mean weirdly like yeah kind of banter heavy Well this is Michael Mann's big pitch Once he's really retained control And he knows that Cruz is a guy who presumably

[00:24:36] Has wanted to work with him you know He's working his way through like The big American sort of Hollywoodotours He gets them on and he goes He's gonna unite two major box office powerhouses Tom Cruise and we're gonna pair him With a comedy star in the role

[00:24:53] You've never seen him play before Of course Adam Sandler Talking about sand The Sandman Right this movie was announced as Michael Mann, Tom Cruise, pair up for collateral And in a dark and interesting role Adam Sandler Is in talks You've never seen him like this before

[00:25:09] And why doesn't Adam Sandler do this movie? I love this part Because Spanglish goes over schedule Brooks Jimmy This is your fault Ben Ben! I'm liking Spanglish so much It's fun We could have had Sandler as Max Yeah okay Here's a question about Adam Sandler though

[00:25:29] Does his like ability to play rage Spoil some of this Like cause you see it cause I mean Jamie Foxx wasn't exactly like you know Like known for calm performances But there's something about his meekness Yes That you watch it grow It's very against type for him

[00:25:41] It's very impressive I know what you mean It would have been a year after Prunch Dunk Love Which is similarly sort of like meek Plus boiling He's so good at playing meekness He could have done that I don't know But it might be bad

[00:25:52] If you watch him step up at the end You'd be like okay well I know Adam Sandler Can like work himself into a rage And punch somebody That's true Sandler's great What do you think of Sandler Katie? Do you hate Sandler?

[00:26:04] No I mean I feel like I grew up around him enough Same with everybody else You kind of like you know Like the wedding singer was like a romcom Very dear to my heart in 1998 I pulled up a video of him saying

[00:26:14] That could have been brought to my attention yesterday Like I think about that all the time I kind of think that's a perfect movie Wedding singer is a perfect movie I haven't seen a wedding singer in close to 20 years Yeah Probably the same for me too

[00:26:27] I mean are you always just kind of wishing Adam Sandler Would do better like it's the thing where he makes Oh fuck the Jedaptah movie Not grown ups Funny people Funny people And you're like oh okay he gets it And then it's like oh

[00:26:39] You know what was appealing about the idea of him Being in this It's that every other time he's given a sort of Serious performance He's put himself in the hands of like Serious filmmaker you know The premise has been pretty aggressively Uncommercial

[00:26:53] And this is one of the only times that he was going to be Playing a more serious role In a premise that kind of worked as a summer movie Because it feels like the thing that always scared him off And I think The other one isn't Glorious Bastards

[00:27:05] Right Which would have been cool too He was supposed to play the Eli Roth part Yeah I did know that Right Eli Roth is really good in that movie but yeah Yeah he's fine in that movie He's fine I would say he's fine Yeah

[00:27:17] And they cut down the part a lot when Sandler didn't Sure I assume with Sandler right There was a whole chapter they shot Of the movie that is his hometown Where like Glorious Leechman was cast A bunch of big actors For the last picture show Right

[00:27:31] And I imagine it was because Maybe Eli Roth couldn't Handle that much Right But yes That whole aspect of it is really exciting And you saying like Knowing he has the rage in him Sort of spoil the arc of the character My argument is

[00:27:46] It wouldn't because it's in such a different zone That the rage would still have to be manifested Through him seeming cool and dangerous Which is a thing he's never done When he gets angry in movies It's so childish Oh you're thinking about like

[00:28:00] When he has to go in and talk to Javier Bardem And like play it as cool as possible And be intimidating Not a childish thing But Jimmy Fox Here's a crazy thing I want to say Fucking annihilates that scene I agree Yeah he really does

[00:28:11] But here's what I want to say If Adam Sandler with his star persona You're gonna be wrong I know what you're gonna say And it's gonna be wrong Had executed Yeah yeah yeah This performance Right in his own way That scene at the same level

[00:28:22] I think he would have won the Oscar Yeah you're wrong But that's a great pitch If he had pulled that scene off Because that was the scene Where I think everyone went Oh fuck Jamie Fox Now who beat Fox this year Obviously Fox is not gonna win

[00:28:32] Because he is winning lead actor Best actor Morgan Freeman, Million Dollar Baby A performance I would argue Has not held up incredibly well Well that was a career Oscar through He's got the one great moment In that movie He's fine in that movie He's arguably the worst performance

[00:28:49] In that movie He won Best Supporting Actor In 2005 For Shawshank Redemption That was 100% his Shawshank makeup It had hit such a cultural saturation Well he couldn't be nominated Without winning It was one of those things He had not been nominated for Farty Pants The idiot story

[00:29:07] He hadn't been nominated What's this about This guy's got real farty pants Throw it on the blanks Like pictures sleep He had not been nominated For a while at that point Yeah his last nomination was For the Shawshank Redemption Wow He made garbage

[00:29:22] I mean no offense to Morgan Freeman But that was when he entered His sort of deep impact zone Where it's like Everyone wanted the gravitas You played God and Bruce Almighty Right He didn't totally make Because he made like 7 Which is really good And he made Amistad

[00:29:36] Which is really good He did make occasionally Work with Big Drip But he's doing a lot of The Alex Cross movies He's doing a dream catcher Anyway Well you gotta be careful With this revisionist's history though Because if you take that Oscar away

[00:29:52] Then maybe he goes and wins For Best Actor In Leading Role In Invictus Everyone's Not a great performance Most memorable performance Trevor Noah was listening to He was on I think Simmons One of the podcast And he said Matt Damon in Invictus Is the best South African accent

[00:30:07] He's ever heard in a movie I think they gave him an Oscar nomination just for the accent He did like Trevor Noah was like I don't know what he did But he sounds correct That role is so thankless In that movie Because that movie is so poorly written

[00:30:17] And the only thing That Damon really does Is nail that accent He nails the accent So Stuart Beattie He's Australian He took a camp And he thought What if there was A crazy person in the cab He writes a treatment It's called Crazy Taxi

[00:30:36] He pitches it to Sega Go ahead and pick your car And drive her That's my impression Of the Crazy Taxi menu I gotta get it closed down Now Hold on let's play Goldfinger Hey take me to Wait wait like It's like Chicken Shack You know you always

[00:30:50] Have to go to like some Pizza Shack Anything like that Just a shot Yeah yeah Did you play Crazy Taxi Candy? No this is Nothing to me What was it on Sega? It was on Sega Dreamcast We had Sega We were a Nintendo family Anyway No it's called

[00:31:06] The Last Domino And then Why aren't you applauding Didn't the Kieran Eilidom Did they do his hands out Like it was a victory left The Last Domino Just the worst treatment title So the Kieran Eilidomino Comes out and Picks a title away right That's the only reason

[00:31:22] Oh really? I don't know I just have my name They did come out around the same time They did come out around the same time They did come out around the same time Tom Noho Tom Noho The original story centered around An African American female cop

[00:31:32] Who witnesses a hit And the romance between a cab driver I don't know what the fuck It doesn't sound bad But this is I feel like a definitive L.A. movie Even in my limited knowledge of the city I feel like this is a movie

[00:31:46] That understands the city So well Oh can I offer a correction quickly? Yeah sure I bagged on L.A. in some recent episode I don't remember You were bagging on L.A. I was bagging on it You were pissed Angry

[00:31:58] In my defense I had just come from L.A. The city of angels Lola land But I was griping about the fact That in L.A. at Starbucks And all these places we went to They had these warnings that were like Made-class cancer Oh yeah right

[00:32:10] Which is some just About coffee? About everything Anything in the air It's some crazy restrictive law they pass Well so that's what I thought And here's where I've been corrected Okay Those warnings are about Things that exist Worldwide That L.A. is the only city

[00:32:25] That's passed laws to Warranty blue kids To acknowledge Oh shit Katie's phone's gone out Never mind My Spotify's going out Oh your Spotify's going out What are you listening to? Vampire Weekend Ah a new one A new one That new fella

[00:32:38] I am in love with Ween right now And I can't stop I was listening I found a Spotify playlist Called Jock Jams That was my walk in music today Are you sure that's a playlist And it's not just the album Jock Dance A tape that made its way

[00:32:52] From 1993 No it's things like You lose yourself Black skin head Any music that like an asshole Is doing the jam So it's essentially what would have been Jock Jams 24 Exactly Are we back in? Yeah we're back I want to say this Oh that was weird That thing that

[00:33:16] Definitely just happened in the studio In real time Maybe we didn't even sell it at Who knows And that was even weird It was an after Jock Jams It works either way It was a perfect outro We had to record now that it's like

[00:33:29] Hey guys we didn't record now It's right up Whoa Let me just do something weird And then I'll look correct Alright Jamie Foxx Max Durochet Yes He's a cab driver He's meticulous Here's the thing I love In this movie You start with him checking the lights You know

[00:33:46] Cleanest Cab in Los Angeles Here's the thing I love about this movie I think this is one of the only Movies where a Quarruquo normal guy Looks like a normal guy His outfit is so fucking Goodness movie Cause I just feel like

[00:33:59] Even when people are supposed to be Just like Fucking every man It's like a little bit too design That's a movie star That's Michael Mann's clothes This is personal clothes Right That's what Hey Jamie You wear hoodies There's something about his glasses

[00:34:13] The combination of the hoodie and the shirt Yeah I mean Jamie Foxx is a handsome man But he's not like Like he can wear normal clothes You'd be like oh yeah He could be a cab driver Yes He's just right Because you need him to be

[00:34:24] Attractive enough that Jada Pinkett Smith Is gonna give him her car You need him to at least be Somewhat like charming in that scene Well in that scene it's so tricky I mean especially People in World War I've already Now you're like oh

[00:34:36] Cab driver hitting on you is like A worst nightmare And that scene plays He doesn't hit on her Well he doesn't She hits on him He's just got an interesting vibe And she sort of like realizes that And you're right It's so well written Cause at first like

[00:34:49] They're arguing over the Route to take Yeah But it's sort of like A friendly argument And then it just sort of like Merges into conversation Yeah and you're waiting for him To be like so If you're in town for a couple days And he doesn't do it

[00:35:00] Which is smart That's how you get testers I will say I do think it's an LA thing When I go out to LA Same When I go anywhere outside Of New York Honestly You talk to your driver Oh yeah Whereas in New York Like that doesn't really happen

[00:35:14] It's really just not part of the thing But especially in LA Because if you're driving a car All day You feel like You don't exist Sure right If that makes sense Yeah yeah yeah Cause in New York You're like seeing so much Yeah it's crazy

[00:35:26] And the second you get off your shift You're like In the middle of the city Yeah In LA I have never had a lift In which a driver doesn't attempt To have an extensive in depth conversation Yeah that's what you're driving insane A little bit

[00:35:39] Cause I will walk into the car With headphones on Yeah right Sometimes obviously He do not want to have a conversation Right I'll make several serious phone calls Ah fuck I guess I gotta call my grandmother now She's the only way out you know

[00:35:52] You just call other grandmas Call her Rapi Hall I literally Her Rapi Hall She is She is yeah She's a former school teacher That's what Michael Mann said But this is you saying this scene is tricky It's like another A tell that

[00:36:06] Fox is so in the pocket in this That you just like completely buy That there's nothing nefarious Nor annoying About him Yeah He's fussy But that's okay Yeah And he's not like some like Innocent Like you don't believe that he can like Live in Los Angeles

[00:36:22] He's a blivious Right But she makes it clear that she Doesn't really want to talk And he finds a way to keep the scene Going Without Fox pestering her Without going like this fucking god Yeah Yeah And she's so good in this

[00:36:33] She is so good in this movie And especially this first scene How long after this did she stop Like really taking major acting roles Such a shame It wasn't that long It's kind of rare She's one of the ones that Is handing off from the last movie

[00:36:45] She's in Ali for a hot second And she's so good in it And she's coming off the Matrix Sequels where she was like The much hype new cast addition The next year she does Madagascar Yep Two years after that She does Rain Over Me

[00:36:57] Which she's sort of the fourth lead in Yes Third I say she's the third lead in that Yeah Oh it's like REI It's a Adam Sandler playing Tim Burton Yes we've talked about it It looks like Tim Burton I thought it was like It's the one where

[00:37:12] Donald Sutherland is the judge Goes shut up Shut up To BJ Novan The woman She was in the woman The woman Oh the women I was saying the woman The woman That remake of the women That nobody asked for And nobody saw And she directed a movie

[00:37:26] Called The Human Contract Which I believe we've also talked About in this movie With Pathvega of Spanglish Right She also had a new metal band And then after that Yeah a new metal band Wicked Prayer Yeah After that her next non Yeah her next non Cartoon role is

[00:37:42] Magic Mike XXL Right Which she's so good She's so good in that She's on my belt Yeah she should have gotten Supporting actress nominee That year And then she did Bad Mom She did Girls Trip Like now she might pop up I assume she'll be in Girls Trip

[00:37:55] Again or whatever it's called But it is kind of Interesting and I think Telling she did one of those I think it was Was it the Vandy Fair Or was it an Escort One Where it was like her career I think she did it Was her Vandy Fair

[00:38:08] That was like My career retrospective And she was going through All her performances And she's First of all Watch it She's an actress I love I know you're talking about Oh she can The one where the actor just Sits down and then they're like A Tropic Thunder

[00:38:24] And then it's like No not that one Because it wasn't that one That's why I think it was Vandy Fair There are a couple There's the one like My big roles And there's one that's Like my career in review Or whatever Whatever the point is Watching her talk

[00:38:37] About her entire career Made me respect her even More than I already did But I think It is very telling That she has not Followed up Girls Trip With a bunch of comedies She doesn't need to She doesn't want to It's that thing And when she was like

[00:38:53] My favorite role I've ever played Is Fish Mooney and Gotham And she's like I fought so hard for that I came into the audition With two like Giant mastiff dogs And was like You better give me this role And they were like You wanna be in Gotham?

[00:39:05] Yeah you can have the role You can be Batman She talks about Air She talks about Wicked Prayer a lot Like as good as she is In things like Girls Trip or in this She's great in Girls Trip I get the sense that she Like Is

[00:39:19] Greatly prefers playing with lunatics She is so good in this Is a pro Come on Katie Talk Jada to me I mean she is good at being A pro who you don't forget about Like she's like In the very beginning of the movie

[00:39:31] You kinda know that she's coming I mean I don't like I'm not the best at Pacing other plots But it became very clear After where I was like Oh yeah they're killing witnesses I bet that the fence Or the project In case she's got It's coming up

[00:39:42] It has to happen Yeah it's a thriller plot But this is a movie That's lobbing famous people at you And maybe they're not Gonna turn out to be a big deal That's true that's true So it sorta has that When Debbie Mazer shows up

[00:39:51] In the beginning of like Fuck what's going on I remember watching it Thinking This is like an incredible One scene performance They got someone this over Qualified because that One scene kind of has to Set up the emotional states Cause it's Michael Mann Right You need that scene

[00:40:05] To really have impact So the twist got you Is what you're saying like Yeah because I assumed That like at the end Of his crazy day He called Jada Pinkett And the emotional resolution Of the movie will be So you knew the card was Gonna come into play

[00:40:16] But you didn't think it would Be a plot I thought it would be an emotional Pay off and not a plot pay off I remembered being genuinely Impressed by that Because of you know The austereness of the film Made me believe They could have someone that good

[00:40:27] Sell one scene that hard It's such a good scene It's so good I think it's a great scene I did too And they don't keep cutting back To her so you can kind of Like believe that she's out Of the narrative She's a clean out I mean then

[00:40:39] Right which Mann really Is a great photography In this film Right I heard He uses it It's like 6040 in this one Yes he says he uses it Mostly inside the car Because he wants To you to see what's outside The car Right Which like on a film camera

[00:40:52] You probably wouldn't It would be too blurry Especially at night With that sort of like Infinite depth of field That's something That you couldn't do Because he wants you to CLA Yes Every the commentary is Mostly him pointing out Every location and being Like what this is

[00:41:06] Is this is a bodega On like Sepulveda You know it's like that Like the other head shots Like helicopter shots Those are all film I assume so I don't know A lot of the interiors are films I know this is the night club Was film Yeah That scene

[00:41:19] Because I watched this Like on iTunes On my like Somewhat old television Like I thought I'd be able To tell the difference Between the digital and the film And I couldn't Because I remember at this point Like if you shot Something on digital Everybody was like

[00:41:31] It looks awful It's I think there's certain Moments that stand out A little bit more Is one or the other Yeah But it was One of the shots That looked this bad in it Right yeah It has shots that look this Right this looks like a home video

[00:41:43] Yeah Right I remember it being Like a very unnerving thing It looks incredible I think I think now it doesn't Stick out as much Because you're just like Most blockbusters Look like this now I guess that's what it is Like my eyes have changed I remember public enemies

[00:41:55] Being the same thing Public enemies It's really It's more jarred Yeah One also because it's the period Period thing It really freaks people Yeah like the sleek L.A. streets Thing really fits the digital Right and that's night It's just like Right Crisp It is

[00:42:10] I mean you've been buying Like the Blu-rays The Michael Manson You don't have And writing them off Yeah Do you know why I haven't Been doing it? Why not Because like all of these movies I'm like I wanna wait for that To be like a 4k

[00:42:23] Yeah well that's fair Especially because all these Like post 2000 ones Are like so on the Forefront Yes so you want it in 4000 Lines of resolution Yes Yes In the episode That's it Oh cool Tommy Cruz as Vincent We see him pick up his briefcase From Jason Statham

[00:42:39] Jason Statham is like Alright bruv There's your fucking briefcase In it Yeah He a boxer? He's a fucking boxer Assassin boxer Box you to death Are you gonna play your music You were pumping yourself up Before we started recording Oh any time You wanna play that That's fine

[00:42:54] That's when he steals the briefcase Oh this one Okay Vincent gets the fare Right he's a silver fox Terminator Yeah But he's also A great guy Yeah Terminator Yeah But he's also very like Existential Yeah for sure once you start He's emotionless but existential Which is a really

[00:43:12] Interesting combination He definitely wants to talk to Matt Oh yeah Like he's ready to chat He's got a lot of thoughts on the human condition Well he trots out that story about the guy Dying on the LA subway Like right away Like well before anything has happened

[00:43:24] But I mean like Again so easy for this to be hacky The sort of existential hit man Like it'd be like John Travolta and swordfish He'd be like oh pining on God knows what Right It'd be like some Tarantino ripoff Right Right

[00:43:38] But in this it doesn't feel like The movie is presenting it as profundity It's like the movie is going like Yeah this guy's that scary Yeah this guy's weird Right Like after killing people he just wants to sit in the back

[00:43:48] Seat and being like so what are your life dreams You're never gonna accomplish anything To man the crucial line is I didn't kill him I shot him The bullets in the fall killed him Right Which also Which is sort of like a joke

[00:43:59] But also how he thinks about it But also when we talk about like stories about Michael Mann A lot of them sound like this character minus the murders Like Michael Mann conversationally I think is probably pretty similar to Vincent Um

[00:44:13] Uh what do I mean it took some notes on this commentary No bullshit filter kind of Conversationally antagonistic Well that's why these actors like working with them right Right Like someone who's gonna kind of like look at them And be like hmm

[00:44:23] Do you really want to do that with them It's a lot of these alpha males Who want to feel challenged by a guy It's the Bobby Knight thing Of like they want him to push him So he's got the adrenaline before he goes on the floor

[00:44:33] Yeah there's a reason that Michael Mann doesn't work with actresses Over and over again probably Correct Jada Pinkett Smith Jada Pinkett Smith Ah that's true Right But no you She gets in and out and once he gets in He works with actresses to play small supporting roles

[00:44:45] In his films over and over again Not lead roles But this is like at this point The best female character he's ever had in a movie Probably I'm like Well Mandolin Stowe Yeah I mean but anyway yeah I think it's important that Vincent and Max bond

[00:45:00] Over their shared obsessive compulsiveness Yes Like Vincent likes that Max knows the traffic lights Like basically you know that he's like But it's seven minutes not six minutes not eight minutes And there's the beautiful thing you're repeating it Because Jada Pinkett Yeah

[00:45:15] While doing all her work in the back seat Is angry about his sort of know-it-all Control of the thing they make the bet about it Which is cute Right And then it pays off with them starting to bond Because he was proven right

[00:45:26] Tom Cruise when he sees that Jamie Foxx was right Is like No no no no no no You know like he just sort of like Terminator eyes into him He's not some hapless guy who's being dragged along Like he is a pro at what he's doing

[00:45:40] He's gonna be able to drive that cab around LA all night It's its own form of a meet cute Because this is the one thing And we've already seen the Fox pink at meet cute Where Fox talks about Ilymos He talks about the little postcard he has

[00:45:52] He gives her the nice I feel Jamie melt with Jada's eyes Look up at him That's something that Matt Michael Man says During the commentary in their flirting scene And then Vincent's the guy who when they're talking about Ilymos immediately is kind of rude

[00:46:08] And gets to the reality of it Right that's your big plan Right Where he's like how long you've been driving 12 years and Vincent's kind of like Oh Okay You know like I also think it's nice though Then this itchy trigger finger over there Oh my god

[00:46:25] I think it's nice that like once again Like in line with the fact that Jamie Foxx actually looks like a person In this movie That his dream isn't something completely outlandish You rarely see people in movies Having dreams that In a movie feel this modest

[00:46:42] But in their life You wouldn't keep me like yeah I'm gonna be rich and famous Like no he's like I wanna run a better Car service company Well that's the monologue from the beginning Whereas he just needs a payment on one Lincoln town car Right

[00:46:54] And he can't get that So like the modesty of it means that It's not just not being able to do it Like he is stopping himself from achieving this dream But that thing I certainly feel with LA drivers Like you hear them all the time talk about

[00:47:05] Like the limo company they're trying to start And getting the connections, the contact list You know The client list Right all of that sort of stuff Michael Mann and Jamie Foxx sat down And wrote down the business plan For the limo Cool Like literally they were like

[00:47:20] Jamie what this character needs How much he's got and how much is left You know For him to actually start a limo company I love that it's like such an art for him too The line about like they won't even want to get out of the car Yeah

[00:47:33] And you can tell that it's like this guy really cares About this fucking thing It makes me uncomfortable Yeah So like see someone like want something like that Oh you mean right you feel like bad for him Right The desperation of it is But it's like effective

[00:47:46] Like I remember feeling really bad for him Watching it the first time Yeah But it makes you really care for the guy Because you're just like God I just want him It seems like that should be easy enough to accomplish Yeah They go to a stop Yeah

[00:47:59] Max offers him the $600 He essentially flashes the money To let me book you for the night essentially And this is when he's playing like full Tom Cruise like shit eating I'm so hands-on Yeah Assassinate someone The guy falls out the window onto the cab Yeah

[00:48:15] And then we're off to the races Right Help me get this body I'm gonna take the hand Pour some aquafina onto the roof Great Where's Edel Yeah you kind of get the idea that Vincent sort of like likes testing the boundaries Of his Existence

[00:48:32] You know what I mean Well like he wanted the body to fall on the car He could do this better Like he doesn't need to take a cab Like he could probably get a car Like an unmarked car or whatever

[00:48:42] What are two things we find out later in this by the way One He does it all the time Right He wants to do the cab thing Right The cab thing right And two He never meets any of the people he works with directly Right

[00:48:54] Other than his targets He keeps himself clean Which means he has almost no human connection Because even other Hitmen have the people they're like Answering to You know you watch a show like Barry That's so much about the weird and comfortable relationship Between like Barry and Steven Root

[00:49:10] And this he doesn't He refuses to meet the Steven Root So you have to imagine Aside from just having like a good alibi A clean person to pin it on He also cherishes that like Whatever dumb cab driver he gets for the night

[00:49:23] Is the only human connection he has Yeah This guy doesn't have a sex life This guy doesn't have a family that he talks to He's such a professional that he has Given up on all of those Yeah he's like Robert De Niro and he Dialed to a thousand

[00:49:36] Where it's like he really has nothing But it's the same thing as the Baba Shaka Henley hit thing Where it's like how much of this Barry Shabaka Henley Always get his name wrong Andy Levi Boy that was embarrassing Leavey a camera weed I did leavey Right Like Eugene

[00:49:53] It's that thing where it's like I think He knows that he's gonna close that loop So the only people he can get to know Are the people he's going to kill Or who he's going to send to the slaughter To be arrested You know

[00:50:07] So he cherishes the fact that he Can actually talk to them So it's like how much of the Henley thing Is him just waiting for the bar to clear out And how much of it is him going I want to get there early

[00:50:17] So I can have two hours of conversation With a guy who knows about jazz Because I think he genuinely likes that conversation Oh he loves that conversation It's the one killing he shows regret for You can tell he feels kind of bad The line What a great story

[00:50:30] Yeah I mean T.C. kills the line ringing And I love it It's so good I rewatched that Just that one line when I watched this movie Well and that's like the star persona That he's so famous for Where he looks you in the eye

[00:50:41] And you're like I believe anything that you'll tell me Like the cult leader thing And he says that in that moment You're like I do think you thought that was a great story There's a beautiful thing that when Like they don't change the eye line

[00:50:52] When Jamie Foxx gets wise to what's going on Tom Cruise never breaks eye contact with Henley No And Jamie Foxx is saying stuff I'm like come on man You don't have to do this You can send him a subway He never looks at Max

[00:51:05] And so often the way you would cover A scene like this is You would get a new angle Yeah Or even if Cruise isn't breaking eye contact You would get the shot from Foxx's POV Yeah Where you're watching the guy looking off Not towards you saying things

[00:51:17] But instead you stay in the shot That's like Henley's POV Where it feels like Tom Cruise is staring at you And he is talking to a third person Who he's not looking at And it's terrifying He's a monster Man so I mean Cruise is very

[00:51:31] Like anytime he's looking at something It's because he's looking for the cops He's looking for anyone who's noticing him Anytime he shoots someone He immediately checks every angle When he's going to kill Henley The only time he looks away is when he's checking That the waitress is gone

[00:51:45] You know I mean like He want him to understand that this guy Has like cameras in his head essentially Like that's how evolved he is He's got the Terminator Robocop vision And he's also shooting live rounds Which apparently Cruise had never done before What?

[00:51:59] Because no one does that But Man in the Commentary is like It just feels different from blanks You know if you're shooting a real gun The lethal force in your hand Oh my god Everyone in this movie who's not Tom Cruise Or Jamie Foxx or whoever

[00:52:10] Is some fucking cop or gangster That Michael Mann knows The other half of the commentary is like That big guy over there is like this guy called You know Jimmy the Big Shot I met him making robbery on the side division He mugged me

[00:52:24] Pulled me into an alley Put a knife to my throat I offered him an under five He got his SAG card Oh my god So if that happens Then when Mark Ruffalo shows up with his Ruffalo So if Ruffalo shows up He's Mark Ruffalo

[00:52:41] And he's got his like slick back hair In his earring Like what are these real cops thinking of Mark Ruffalo Let me tell you Oh my god I'm so excited to get to Mark Ruffalo Mark Ruffalo shadowed an undercover narc Called Q For six weeks

[00:52:53] Who apparently looks exactly like that So he just brought in the photo And was like this is what I'm gonna look like Slick back hair Weird sort of soul patchy goatee Diamond earring Like this It's one of the things I love about this character

[00:53:06] Like the gun is apparently like the exact You know Mark Ruffalo is fantastic in this movie The fact that this came out the year after 13 Going on 30 Is just like Mark Ruffalo's career at this point was so strange This was kind of one of his rare

[00:53:18] Serious acting roles In the middle of his romantic comedy wilderness That sort of valley in his career Well it's the same year as Eternal Sunshine But he's like kind of cute and charming in that He's a very good in that But against type Darkness of this

[00:53:31] Is like really rare for him The fact that he's in it Like I've seen collateral fifty times He shows up and I'm like right right okay yeah I forgot he's the fourth lead right They wait like 30 or 40 minutes to introduce him And then he's sniffing on the

[00:53:42] He's like one case behind you know One assassin behind them I remember seeing that he was on the fucking Cradablock on the poster But he wasn't in the trailers at all So when he's introduced I went Oh I guess he's playing another criminal Yeah Like I genuinely buy

[00:53:55] I totally did too Which I love this thing where it's like Here's this guy who's gone so deep into this Disgusting greasebag character with this gross look And this slick back hair He's hot He's hot but you know Remember when he was Hulk Hot Hulk

[00:54:07] Remember that scene in Endgame When Hulk and I fucked Yeah Yeah That's what people You know it's so surprising People said I haven't seen it People have been complaining about the fact That there wasn't an after credit scene In Avengers Endgame Right When there's clearly 40 minutes

[00:54:23] Yeah just sex Of daddy Hulk fucking you It had an NC17 rating Yeah I thought that was weird Yeah made 350 million anyway He just walks to you and you say Thank you a bunch Oh it's nice It's nice Thank you thank you so much He's you can't

[00:54:37] Ben he's so hot in this game He's so hot He wears a cardigan It's incredible Ben has decided not to watch Endgame Until we do the commentary Because like We asked him What are you getting What else What does he care Did you even see Infinity War

[00:54:51] The one with Thanos They turned to dust at the end Yeah Okay So you did see that I didn't see it in theaters Fair enough Fair enough I'm like As the Rusell has asked Why don't we do a fresh take

[00:55:05] I could totally take myself out of the running You're losing nothing I'm fine Right Hulk is Addy in Endgame though Yes So in collateral Yeah the hit man Whatever right Oh I was gonna say The thing I like is that He's so deep in this character

[00:55:18] He walks into this apartment He's like This is the day I'm finally gonna like Catch my guy And then he realizes The dude's already been Pushed out a window Right And now he's just stuck Essentially in character Right Now on like an active homicide case Right

[00:55:33] You know so all the other cops Like Peter Berg and everyone When they're coming in They clearly are like This fucking guy Like he's like this undercover dude This isn't your case Yeah it's not This isn't your territory And he like ends up with the FBI

[00:55:44] And the FBI are like Oh this is big This is so much bigger Than you think it is Right but you imagine He's been undercover For months and months and months Where he's like I'm not gonna just leave this thing I need closure on it Right

[00:55:55] And so he looks like A fucking like a like a mook Like a whole movie He looks like a mook And then he gets shot Yes And he dives A brutal death scene It's incredible And it's such a good I love that like storytelling

[00:56:06] Like sort of knife twist Where it's like Someone is on his side And is figuring out It's gonna be okay Let's blow him away Like second You're looking at comfort For 90 seconds Yeah You don't think that's the end Of the movie But you figured that's where

[00:56:20] It's headed and then Tom Cruise Is like no I'm fucking Terminator Right But not only that When Tom Cruise shoots him He's like I got that annoying guy Away from you It's like your worst friend There's the scene after You know so After the first killing

[00:56:33] He zip ties Jamie Max's hands to the wheel To do the second assassination And the two guys hassle him Ben Hosley and Ben Hosley Jr. Show up The Hosley Brothers Being like Hey man what's up What he zip tied to your calf Oh weird huh Too bad

[00:56:49] I'm taking your money It is kind of an incredible Ah Pew pew pew What he's like Gimme your wallet And he's like My hands are tied to the steering wheel And he goes Do you hear me I said Gimme your wallet Clearly you don't hear me Right

[00:57:04] But the I guess I'll give you a moment Vincent Vincent shooting them Where he You know the tap tap head Yes And then like He gets the other guy two taps And then as he's like Going to pick up his bag He gets him in there Yeah

[00:57:18] He's got a style Not even looking at them Just looking at checking his SIXes He's got a signature Yeah It does seem like Someone should have heard those gunshots I don't know how criminal LA was in 2004 But like there's a lot of people

[00:57:29] No one is on the corner That's true No one's walking That's the other thing Yeah Someone he's more I think he's more checking to see if someone's like calling Yeah If your fear would be someone calls it in Yeah But at that point you're gone I guess Right

[00:57:42] But then there's the It happens right before this When Cruz makes him call his supervisor The supervisor calls in Oh well that's the Yeah the supervisor scene But there's also the cops Right We still got that Richard T. Drown He's an exceptional actor He's a judge in Amy

[00:57:56] Which Amy Brennan and I did Heat with That was Michael Mann Double Who he is Yeah And then the other guy is a real cop Okay Yeah Who arrested Michael Mann Yeah What if that's Michael Mann The only reason he makes movies Is like

[00:58:11] Shit I need seven roles I've been promising them all over town Right Any time any criminal Or cop has him in a corner It's fine I'll I'll Criminate him I'll Criminate him I'll Create a TV show called Robbery Homicide Division Everyone can be in it

[00:58:27] He calls his agent He's like give me a script With 87 speaking parts I've had a rough week The bulls The bulls The bulls The girl bull But yes No The cop scene where Tom Cruz is like Here's your test Let's see how good you are

[00:58:45] Like if you're any good You'll be able to You're a cabbie talk yourself And he's like Here's the threat I'll fucking shoot these guys You got limited trunk room He's a great way to put it So there are two ways out of this Either you're talking them out

[00:58:55] Or everyone is dead Including probably You got two more bodies Yeah Right They get off just by a lucky break Which I love because then When Fox does have to go into the club You're like he can't pull himself around He's already failed hard Yeah

[00:59:08] He tries to use the nice guy argument Where he's like Come on Well so he's arguing with the cops He's like a deer And you're like a deer That's your bro And you're like A deer And you're like A deer And you're like a deer And you're like

[00:59:22] Yeah they're around here I really I was like I don't know much about Aleve He said like Mulholland Like it's up in the mountains Like they have mountain lines there And then yeah His windshield is so fucked The cops should be like Excuse me

[00:59:34] I don't care if there's been a shooting At like 8th and LaBrena We're staying here There's a body in this You can't drive around I'm not having seen this Since it came out when What do they do about the windshield To get Like I was like

[00:59:44] Do they get a new car Because surely this movie Can't have a broken windshield The entire time And it does You drive around in New York City Like you see cars where you're like How is that thing on? Yeah You know like

[00:59:55] I mean so many people just drive around In these things But there's the cop thing And then the supervisor calls up Louis de Palma And complains about the fact That you heard there was an accent Because the cops called it in Right before they were thrown away

[01:00:08] To investigate It must have been one of Cruz's homicides Right And Tom Cruz gets like Such fucking joy In annihilating this guy Yeah In just dragging this guy to pieces Right And Fox's hands are literally tied He can't like pull the phone away from him

[01:00:28] He has to say whatever he wants to say But it's also this weird aspect of Cruz Where it's like he knows the law that well You know there are all these subjects That he clearly just like He's so confident That he can just argue anything

[01:00:41] And you're just gonna go for it And that's another Tom Cruz thing Like even when he's playing this scary guy He's like yeah okay Right He was a real assassin gotten your cap And he was a psychopath And he had to kill all these people

[01:00:51] But he was also a super charming movie Right Right But also he might kill you Yeah But it would be very charming that he killed you Very likely Yeah You like as you died You'd be like that guy was charming Like that would be your last word

[01:01:04] Alright the boss thing makes me wonder about The big thing that I don't think is a critique But I wanted to bring up in the context of all this Because as the movie goes on You watch Max kind of slowly turn into Vincent

[01:01:13] And imitate him and step up into it And it feels like there is a level of saying that That's him stepping into like masculinity Like what it is saying about Vincent as a man And then Max as a man Sure

[01:01:23] Like he can get up and he can save the woman And he can have the shoot out And I think it's not uncritical Like it's critical of Vincent obviously Like this guy's a Terminator He's scary The movie is right It's not positive on him

[01:01:33] And I don't love man-up movies in general Yeah I feel like it follows into a little bit Of the man-up thing Especially when Jada Pinkett comes in at the end I would I think especially because it ends so abruptly After that point

[01:01:45] But my argument against that is the ending Which is not like Jamie Foxx confidently Stalking away But him and Jada like hugging each other Looking so frightened Like sort of stumbling through the streets And then man's like, that's it I would agree That's the one counter

[01:01:58] That was terrible The classic Michael Mann thing is The triumph at the end of a movie Is going to break that person For the rest of their life Yeah Like almost every Michael Mann movie Ends with having watched so many of them

[01:02:09] They definitely are going to go on a date now Right I don't think their date would be very good It would be like, anyway, so what do you do? Do you remember the assassin? He was in the building Right He cut the power

[01:02:22] But almost every Michael Mann movie Ends on a note of just like And what are they going to do the next morning Yeah You know, like how do they wake up And feel about themselves Even if they quote unquote want Um, so the mom Yes

[01:02:36] Instant response to hearing about his mom Right, the Henley scene we've already sort of talked about We talked about that scene Fucking good The distinction in his question isn't Where did he study Right It's where did he learn to play music

[01:02:49] So Henley is so confident that Juilliard's the answer But a guy like this is so particular about the distinction He learned from Charlie Parker Right But you know that he's going to have the wrong answer no matter what Oh, of course

[01:02:59] Right, because he's testing this guy's perception of the world It's not about his knowledge of facts He's got to shoot him It's about how he perceives things Although when Henley is like You know, I walk out of this club I'm going to be so gone

[01:03:10] You'll think I was dead You're like, it's right He's going to What did man say about jazz? He fucking talks about jazz for like 40 minutes He's like something about jazz He's basically like Vincent was a counter cultural kid His man's take on the character

[01:03:25] Whose dad was strict authoritarian But his dad having grown up in the era Was probably into jazz It was probably like one of their one intersections Sure Like man talks about that for a while He talks about all kinds of shit He talks about how like Damon Wayans

[01:03:38] Jazz fan You know like this isn't gangland territory This is actually a border between this gang and that gang Like he's, oh he's He's a dork Yeah You know for that shit But I could just tell man loves jazz Oh yeah Yeah Um, yeah, I love that scene

[01:03:55] I love that scene Irma Pee Hall, come on the mom Right This is Tom Cruise's like best acting Right, this is the second call from the dispatcher Yeah, yeah That Fox goes to his mom every single night And Vincent's like you got to do that

[01:04:08] The routine, what are you talking about? Like Fox is like the second you came into my car With a loaded gun My routine was disrupted And Cruise is like no, the routine is more important now He's like what are you talking about? We can't throw them off

[01:04:20] But also he says that thing Like she carried her in her room for nine months Yeah Looks at him like a maniac Get her flowers Yeah Right And Max brings the flowers She's like why'd you get me flowers She's being a pain in the ass

[01:04:32] And then he's like Vincent, you know got the flowers And she compliments the flowers And you see Tom Cruise just gets so excited Yeah You see Vincent like sort of stiffen up And like pay attention He's not paying attention at all He's kind of like whatever

[01:04:45] Like let's get this over with Well he said his mother died before He can remember her It's reset He grew up in a single-parent household With a father who He did not get along with He was abusive Yeah So you imagine this guy was like

[01:04:55] Spent his childhood fantasizing About what it would be like to have a mom It's a little, as Katie might point out Retrograde He's sort of like He's like a mama's boy And therefore has to Yeah He's a mama's boy So he's sort of like A little like hand-packed

[01:05:13] In that sort of weird way And Vincent's like You know, didn't have a mother That's why he lacks a soul But I also I mean as a mother Yes That's right I mean you aren't doing your child With a soul With a wife Otherwise they'll turn out like

[01:05:27] You're raising a couple Maxes Yeah Yeah, a pair of Maxes In a world of Vincent No the other thing I was going to say though Is that I think Cruz's big thing isn't man up It's like stop lying to yourself Like Cruz is fascinated by these

[01:05:42] Like these lies that people tell themselves This like neat categorization Easy answers Right Right, it's like He's the only one who sees the world clearly And so the thing he doesn't respect Is that he's lying to his mother And that he's lying to himself

[01:05:57] But like what Max sort of Correctly responds with is like You don't have to deal with my mother I have like a complex human relationship With her Yeah And Vincent's like I don't understand what you're talking about The crucial thing is He's impressed with Max

[01:06:09] The second he realizes that Max Is that good at being a cab driver The moment he loses respect Is when he's like I'm not really a cab driver This is just to fill in the gaps Right So he's like

[01:06:19] Yeah, be a pro with the thing that you were doing There's nothing wrong with your job There's something wrong with the fact That you're telling yourself That this is a part time Temporary short term thing But as Irma Hall Is distracting Vincent Max grabs the briefcase Runs away

[01:06:32] And then he's like This is his plan here I have no idea He's just being a maniac You wanna play it? This is my favorite music, Q I was just getting It is so upsetting Cause when he starts running I'm just like This doesn't help

[01:06:44] Where will this go Right And when he throws it over the overpass And you see all the shit fly out I'm like Fuck We Yeah James Newton Howard's score It's incredible Vincent's just playing it up Should I just play through the rest of the podcast

[01:06:59] And make it feel more intense You can play 30 seconds of anything If we talk over it Which is what they say in Hollywood Handbook The bots won't pick it up Oh, okay So we're totally fine I just have to talk to hold on

[01:07:11] This is the sadistic prankster element Of Cruz He responds with like bewilderment That Fox would do that Which is fair You are screwing up my work Right But then right after He's like, okay cool So this is an opportunity For me to test you again Right

[01:07:27] I wouldn't even think You would have a backup plan Like when all that stuff came out of the briefcase I was like, kind of surprised Like I figured he would have like Stashed it away and thought ahead of it

[01:07:35] Do you think this movie is what made people go Like wait What if there was a digital clown Yeah Steve Jobs saw this movie And he was like, this is no good That was his takeaway No I think that if Vincent needed to

[01:07:47] He could go see Javier Bardem or whatever Or he could, you know He could probably, but yes I think you're right He's like Now I have one on you Rather than just execute you Which I could totally do

[01:07:57] I think this is another reason that he's a crazy taxi boy Is if things go wrong Pick your car driver Right, if things go wrong I have another person I can throw to the slaughter Yeah, oh absolutely I don't want if everything goes wrong

[01:08:09] That I have to walk in and face Javier Bardem Of course, because Javier Bardem's scary He's scary And uncredited Can we talk about how beautiful he is in this movie? Like he's a handsome man still But I think of his face as like

[01:08:21] Mount Rushmore, like all these angles And in this he's like His face is so soft He's rounded but I think Because of the haircut Yeah And the beard looks really good on him The fact that this is like Three years before No Country for Old Men

[01:08:31] Just feels insane Yes It was, and I remember when watching the movie I didn't know that he was in and out I was like this is gonna be someone Right Like this will be some star He was not in the marketing He was not on the poster

[01:08:42] I was surprised it was him Yeah Not that he wasn't nobody at that point He was an Oscar nominee But he was, you know He wasn't doing many American films though No He spent six weeks learning how to speak With a Mexican accent because he's Spanish Yeah

[01:08:54] For two days of filming Wow That's another Michael Mann Does Michael Mann inspire this insanity in people? Like does he do the work to the point that they're just like Oh yeah, well if you did the research I'm gonna embed with an undercover cop for six weeks

[01:09:06] Yeah, that's probably part of it Right This is why David Ayer keeps getting big people To do his movies Because David Ayer is still a guy who does this Right Even when the movies are shit He's like we're gonna go live in the mountains

[01:09:17] Or yeah we're gonna go live in a tank And cut out our own teeth We're actually gonna commit suicide As a squad Right Together Right but that's why he had this run of like Schwarzenegger, Pitt, Will Smith twice That these guys like

[01:09:31] Like these big movie stars who never here know And I think have a complex Oroniously That they feel weird about the fact That they do a job that can seem kind of fanciful And that they're pampered And that they put makeup on

[01:09:47] To like play people who are like tough guys with guns Right so their sort of insecurity About their own perceived lack of genuine McKeesmo Then has to be like supplanted by like A tough guy asshole dad Like basketball coach director Who's like fuck you I'm gonna meet Iki

[01:10:06] Eat dirt for two weeks And then they're like he's a real artist They're fury, they actually all got furious They got furious So furious Shri LaPuff did pull out his own tooth on that right He did And he carved his face I mean Shri LaPuff doesn't need that

[01:10:19] Like he just not he needs a nurture You hear all the stories about that cast on that movie And they're weird game of one upsmanship Or like who can go longer without showering Because like Ayer did that whole like I want you guys to be fucking dirty

[01:10:31] You're gonna live in this tank You're gonna know how to repair it And so like Shri LaPuff did like he pulled out his tooth And cut his own face in the makeup trailer Because he was like I'm the most intense

[01:10:40] And they're like you're playing like a nice Christian boy You're the chill one in this group That movie sucks All for a movie that kind of sucks The first half is pretty good Yeah, alright Yeah So we like the Javier Bardem scene Do we like the Black Peter

[01:10:55] Fox is so good The arc of this scene alone is incredible Tell your guy to take his hand off his gun Before I like beat his bitch ass to death with it Or something like that Where you think he's about to blow it

[01:11:04] And then he sells it hard for the first time And he just becomes so incredibly still And confident But even from the walk up with the bouncers I'm Vincent Right and he can't say Vincent without stammering Yeah He can't even sell it in that moment

[01:11:19] But by the time he gets to the back room He vaguely can pull it off And by the end of it He's fully believable And this all means that The point we get to the nightclub In Koreatown We've got Jamie Foxx and Vincent We've got Max and Vincent

[01:11:31] We have the guys he's trying to kill We've got the Latin mob The Mexican mob Ruffalo McGill Who had been sent to watch it You've got Ruffalo Who's hooked up with the FBI Right Bruce McGill Who are trying to figure out what's going on

[01:11:45] So like everyone converges on the club Yeah It's great That's all And it's like a beautifully executed action sequence Yeah And the moments from Vincent Like even before he starts shooting And he's just breaking people's necks He gets so intense And he's like Yeah Yeah It's so scary

[01:12:04] And they hold it kind of for a while too And in just that moment But also And I believe this is it's letterbox banner But like when he shoots the guy Who's about to kill Max So sort of saves him And then like shoots him that look

[01:12:19] This look So good Yeah You know just for a second This is the first movie to own Tom Cruise's No I'd say Magnolia also does this Owning Tom Cruise's scariness Yeah This is where he shuts down in the interview of Magnolia The first time where it was like

[01:12:35] Oh someone would It would be intense Push Tom Cruise to Yeah That point Katie do you like the action sequence? Yeah In Fever Video can fold What I kept thinking of the club scene Which is dumb because it came after But like the killing Eve had the big

[01:12:49] Club scene in the first season Where you've got like her mentors Getting killed and like the Bodies are too close to it It's not really shot in the same way But the idea of being in a room full of people like that And A like having an act

[01:12:59] It's very frightening to think about how many people It's very scary and then having a clear action sequence In all of that Is madness Hey let me give you a little advice A little trip advisor here If you're afraid of being in that kind of room

[01:13:11] Check in first day at the continental hotel I hear John Wick is a frequent guest A proprietor Not that docile either Rugs and killers It's crazy we have to delete the episode It's hard to start over Yeah it's hard to describe Gryffins face He's very proud of himself

[01:13:35] Like go to the bar on wine You might end up more wound up Yeah he's like an animal That's proud of himself It's good to actually see Also they don't accept credit cards Only gold coin That is true That is true they only accept gold

[01:13:52] They only come to a continental hotel Oh boy Yeah what do you do when you want to tip at John Wick You're like another coin Yeah do you have change for a gold coin Like no I love that the gold coin is a universal currency

[01:14:07] Everything costs one gold coin in the John Wick It's like it's a favor It's IOU a favor Yeah it's an IOU That is currency It's an artisanal IOU You know what we didn't talk about before with the briefcase Tom Cruise running Just a little bit

[01:14:21] You got a seam run Love seeing that boy running It's the greatest special effect in Hollywood It is I love it There is one clear if you ask me Arab parent to the Tom Cruise running on screen Cynthia Arriva Yep Definitely

[01:14:33] I feel like we maybe had a Twitter interaction about I mean I've been thinking about it since last I've seen in Widows' breath thinking We saw Widows together Katie At the Roy Thompson home Oh my god

[01:14:42] And I just remember us walking out of there and just being like That was so good But don't you feel like Christopher McCoy has to be writing a part for her Sure do it Right I mean I'll put her in a mission impossible That's great

[01:14:54] That's great have her sing too You go like they're both like Similarly tiny compact Obsessive focused Freak of nature people who can run like a car Yeah You can run like a car Could you imagine a fuckin foot chase I'm all for it I'm all for it

[01:15:08] Why are you stopping this from happening I'm sorry they keep texting Christopher I hear Cynthia's bad news Don't work with her Runs too fast She's busy She would probably outrun Tom and that wouldn't work She'd have to slow down But I feel like this is his thing though

[01:15:23] He's finally making these movies where he allows The women to be more powerful than him That's true He casts really good female leads now But he has to break his foot in order to look More powerful than them

[01:15:33] I would love for her to be the villain of the next Mission Impossible and beat him on a foot chase But he gets the lead and she catches up to him As opposed to the usual In the film Collateral Did you see it in theaters? I forget

[01:15:49] I did I saw it in theaters Summer of O4 I remember it's a loud movie This movie the gun... I mean this scene the nightclub scene The gunshots are so freaking loud They're upsetting Yeah he wants you to right yeah flinch But he does kill the guy Lim

[01:16:02] Who directed this movie? Michael Mann or David Flinsher Oh boy David Flinsher Ben's thinking it over So after that Vincent shoots Ruffalo Brutally Brutal The signature You flinch again We backtrack really quick I just want to shout out I love when highway overpasses are in movies

[01:16:25] This is a great LA movie More highway overpasses please Okay sure I agree with you It's cars on cars On cars So many layers of cars This crazy spaghetti super You know when I painted graffiti I used to climb across that Like hanging over the highway

[01:16:42] And then bomb Or paint Or paint As the layman would say I just heard something I didn't know that bomb was a graffiti slang Yeah it is Ah What was your tag been? I can't say I can't say We tried to get it out of him

[01:16:55] Should that be like a 10,000 gold? Some of it's still up Yes And then you have to pay his bail When he gets arrested for it No I already paid a lot of money Oh okay For being arrested for that

[01:17:06] So the Patreon money is going to go pay you back For all the bail that you put up Yeah kinda Yeah What if we find out that like Ben was caught And for the last 10 years has been Like working undercover as an informant

[01:17:18] Like catch me if you can Star Wars Like I know this tag I'm part of the buff squad He's gotten us on Which is a division Of the Port Authority That has detectives And has a whole like Crew of people that are

[01:17:30] Used to be playing on this movie And are like Invested in finding graffiti artists They call him the buff What if it turns out that like Seven years ago Ben made a deal I can't believe that's not a TNT show The buff Oh yeah the buff

[01:17:43] What if it turns out that Seven years ago Ben made a deal with the police And this entire podcast Has been him trying to trap us Into admitting to our crimes on like That's right I totally used to shoplift Smarties from Waitrose I don't know Shut it down

[01:17:58] We got him We got him Alright They've been on the trail The shutters come down We never found out Who stole that one bag of smarties Who's a tube Okay bro Alright We got him After he kills Ruffalo Is the emotional conversation Ending in a crack

[01:18:22] Like is that Is the sort of pivotal scene Yeah Where kind of Right where Max makes his move His second move Right What if I gosh He's got nothing to lose He speeds up He knows it's up Right Vincent gets out fast Oh I should

[01:18:37] We gotta say before the LA club And before the club is the coyotes Oh yeah Right Where Vincent sees himself in a mirror He cites that as his big Like this is why I wanted to shoot on digital Is cause like

[01:18:49] We didn't have to hire a coyote and plan it We just filmed every night And I knew eventually we'd find the coyote Michael mentions that happens to him all the time The coyotes They just follow him They just follow him Oh he's their spirit guide

[01:19:03] This was the same summer where there's the weird Like Jake Gyllenhaal like has a moment With a wolf in day after tomorrow And my friend and I joked we were like Is this just the summer where everyone needs To have a moment where they see themselves Yeah

[01:19:17] In some sort of like Gritley Man was the next summer right Yes Yeah Close Who would be your animals guys Would be my animal Yeah Like a cappuccino What's that Like a cappuccino monkey Little cappuccino monkey Yeah like cappuccino Is that like a

[01:19:32] I know what you're talking about Like Marcel on Friends Yeah Yeah he's a cappuccino He's hanging out with Raskiller Yeah the The That monkey on animal practice NBC Oh yeah Probably say monkey I look up that monkey a lot Because I will never make the amount of money

[01:19:49] That monkey made per episode I'm gonna be like a big rat Or like a badger Katie I was thinking about like To keep it as frustrating No fucking idea what animal I am I need like the animals that like Build like underground dens

[01:20:02] And like don't go out much Like that Okay Badger is one of the Yeah I was thinking about badgers Like you think Hufflepuff Animals a badger That's a badger Like yeah it's a strong Hufflepuff But like nothing kind of badger That like fucks around And attacks people

[01:20:14] That's Ben What am I What are you looking up at What am I looking at I'm looking up at What Crystal the monkeys quote Was on animal practice Because she had a big run She was also I think the monkey No no wait a second

[01:20:26] I just realized what you're doing No something like that The charity scene rules Look then what happens Crash the car They crash the car Jamie Foxx is great What do we think of this scene He doesn't talk What else you got from the monkey

[01:20:37] I can tell you want to tell me What's the monkey in the night Museum franchise And hangover part two Right it's that monkey 24 years old Is the highest paid monkey In Hollywood 24 years old So it's still alive Still alive How long does a monkey live

[01:20:50] Played Annie's boobs in community Right I don't know how long a monkey lives for Probably a while They're very you know They're like us they're humans You know probably live for decades I don't know Okay the number was not as high As I remembered it being

[01:21:02] But it's still very high How do you feel about giraffe I love the giraffe $12,000 per episode Because they eat plants They're chill But they're big That's what I was thinking for you Oh for me Yeah okay that's cool Cause I'm tall and gangly I am giraffe like

[01:21:15] Yeah friendly Yeah Black top And you do have a black top I'm so glad people went there Yeah And it's crazy to see me have sex It seems insane With the Hulk specifically Yeah with the Hulk especially Weirdly they just like air it Like a nature documentary though

[01:21:33] You'd think it was too He's doing it again The crash I don't know Cause the crash is when Is when he Realizes that Jada is the next target But he only realizes that after the crash Well cause Fox is gonna let himself Be taken in cause he's like

[01:21:48] Thank God I've been looking for a cop all night But then he sees Jada He sees Jada and the cop sees The dead body in the trunk So he's like you're under arrest Yeah he doesn't try to talk his way out of the arrest He uses brute force

[01:22:01] Then he sees Jada and he's like Apologizes to the cop Right Oh that's funny I forgot about that And then a classic movie problem Low cell phone battery He's trying to warn Jada And no signal silly gets up to the top of that parking

[01:22:14] But it's so cool and this is the other Yeah the digital photography thing where it's like You can see her in the building You can see the lights lit in the building And he's like one like Overpass away or whatever

[01:22:26] The fact that he's managed to get all the way back down to With the building that she is in Hell yeah It's alright, that's fine I need an LA expert to tell me if the geography in this movie Makes any sense at all I don't know

[01:22:35] I know Koreatown is not far from downtown Koreatown is near downtown I know that too Griffin you know You love all of it I know the lay of Disney land Where's Seb's in relation to all these places Seb's is there It's the heart of Hollywood

[01:22:47] It's another day of sun You know city stars Do you know about that We could start a fire Do do do Do you know that Lionsgate is starting an indoor theme park In Times Square That they say is gonna have a John Wick bullet ride Amongst other things

[01:23:04] But there's gonna be like a madman themed bar They should make Seb's They should make Seb's They should And that's Lionsgate Yeah you're right They should do it They should do a John Wick one They're making a bullet ride What else What else is Lionsgate Expendables Twilight

[01:23:21] No stay away from that one Peter Malark's Bakery From Hunger Games These are real things I'm fucking telling you There's one other franchise That's what they thought the people wanted from Hunger Games The Bakery I swear to God this is real It's called Lionsgate World

[01:23:35] You're gonna turn down a Bakery I mean it would be cool to see Josh Hutcherson that's his name right in real life I've never seen a one foot tall man before Well he needs a job so put him in that Bakery He's dropped off his resume

[01:23:45] I don't think they may need final decisions about hiring I was gonna ring the joke bell for you Okay thank you The end of this movie is very frightening It is very frightening and very good It is very scary when he's not talking to anyone

[01:24:01] The thing about Max that's different in this part Is he's no longer bouncing around with another guy Right he's just in full I will destroy mode You mean Vincent Vincent sorry I always think that Tom Cruise is called Max Yeah no Vincent that's what I mean

[01:24:15] Yes no he is scary and knows everything And what a cool looking law library Good set I like the Chinese containers in the one room And she's gone to the other office You know all that He knows she's close Cause the Chinese food's fresh

[01:24:33] But also he sees the light blinking on the conference So he's able to discern which room she's in Which is cool I like when people solve things Yes That is all true And he smashes the power with the fire axe That's scary

[01:24:50] And then Max gets him with the gun But Vincent doesn't even think he's gonna shoot Nope And then he shoots him And blood goes everywhere from his face That's how Fox is able to stop him Is that Vincent has so little belief Yeah

[01:25:03] In Max's ability to murder a man Sure, remember that Do LA offices have subway access in the basement of them? I guess it must exist for them to put it in this There must be some of that Because like there's no street access

[01:25:17] I mean there is I know But like no one walks on the freaking streets in LA right? Like how do you get into this It's cool, I love the subway in this movie Oh yeah I did anything I almost passed that with like off

[01:25:27] Like where is she going Yeah, it's so weird Yeah, they totally exist in New York You know I thought they all just had to park in garages I almost every time I go to LA I find it very difficult to figure out where to enter the building

[01:25:39] Because they'll send detailed instructions For like any like appointment I have But the instructions are just where to park And how to get from the parking lot Into the office that you need to get to I tried to walk to the Soho house in West Hollywood

[01:25:54] With Richard Lawson one time before Because we were at an Airbnb very nearby And we walked and we'd go to the front door And it's an office building And they said oh you have to go into the parking garage And get to the elevator And you're like what

[01:26:04] They did not know what to do with us Yeah, well you know my classic joke Los Angeles is like the Disney Pixar Cars franchise Except with less human beings Oh I'm not gonna rig the belt That's what collateral is about So David Flincher This now

[01:26:22] Griffin is sinking into his chair And sort of stretching his arms in either direction And patting the table Very strange Yeah I love that the end of Max I mean Vincent he's fully robotic at that point You know when they're shooting each other in the train car

[01:26:42] Is that he goes to get the cartridge And he can't even hold on to it anymore And it's out of his head And then that's when he realizes And he's like a robot shutting down He just sort of like sits

[01:26:53] It's the first time Tom Cruise ever died on screen And in like New York It makes sense that this movie would end in a subway car shootout You would never believe that it would go unnoticed In LA it makes perfect sense that no one's on the subway

[01:27:07] And that he probably won't be discovered for a week As he says in the foreshadows in the beginning I guess Tom Cruise dies like a zillion times an edge of tomorrow I guess that's the movie where he dies a lot

[01:27:18] I know, I'm just wondering about other movies where he dies Yeah, well I mean he died off screen Before an interview with a vampire Yeah, undead Good point Yeah, not a joke, don't ring the bell Ben That was a very serious point Ben was diving for the bell

[01:27:35] We had to pull him off of it He's got a rug burn Slid all the way to the bell So collateral, that's the movie It's great and it's a masterpiece And I love it and it's one of my top movies of that year And I love it

[01:27:46] Katie, did you like the movie collateral? I do like the movie collateral I don't know, I feel like there's a I've seen many other Michael Mann movies And all of them I've seen and said Yes, I appreciate that this is a movie

[01:27:55] I think this is why we needed, you know I mean it's a boy movie Michael Mann makes boy movies He makes movies about And it's not about masculinity in the way that I famously really like Foxcatcher Because it's a movie that's very explicitly about

[01:28:07] You do famously like Foxcatcher You are Foxcatcher's biggest fan Yeah, no one else ever thinks about Foxcatcher And this is about masculinity But kind of in a lighter way Which in some ways I like But it's also like some unexamined stuff I think about like

[01:28:19] If you want to step up and become who you really want to be You got to pick up a gun and shoot somebody Which I'm not opposed to But I think it's in there in the text And the movie is about other things

[01:28:29] But it makes me not have the emotional Grab with it that I think Because I love that story And for a movie up until the point where you pick up a gun Yeah I love a movie about like

[01:28:40] How do you become the person who actually wants to be Yeah, and it's not like Jamie Foxx's real problems are not solved by this And it's not a movie about Them solving each other's problems But like I'm no more confident that he's going to open his limo company

[01:28:50] No, they're ruined Yes And David loves it This movie made 101 million dollars This is one of the crews you could not make less than 100 Yeah 217 worldwide I would do anything for a movie like this to make 101 million dollars Now I know As much as I like

[01:29:13] Cannot fall for it the way that David does Like this level of like Incredibly well made thriller Yes That doesn't feel long It feels straightforward and contained Like It's nice stars That's the other thing It's nice to see like a summer action movie that like

[01:29:27] Makes someone a star And also like fully warrants an Oscar nomination Yeah For acting And like just lets two people talk to each other in a car for a long time So Which of the 2004 Fox Oscar nominated performances do you think is better Cause I This Right, 100%

[01:29:43] I mean the rape performance is pretty great And the singing is good And it's right It's one of those great He doesn't do that much of this thing He does some doesn't he He does very level Wow He filled in some of the stuff Right

[01:29:54] He can do it Yeah Cause he did it on Gold Digger Right but that was like He said to kind of He was like you know I didn't Do the singing in the movie There are a couple things where they didn't have the audio tracks

[01:30:04] And he did it I'd say that movie is 95% Sure thing I didn't realize that Now let's play the box office game please Collateral open to 24 million dollars On August 6th 2004 Real crowd pleaser Number two Was a film we covered on this podcast On this podcast? On this podcast

[01:30:21] A film I like But audiences were not so fond of Oh in 2004 A famously large drop Famously large drop So it come out in This is it's second weekend Correct It came out One weekend ago Late July Late July Dropped 68% In its second weekend

[01:30:42] But it still managed to crawl its way To 114 million dollars Let's crawl a clue No Big drop How much was the first weekend? 50 50 And the second is 16 Big drop That is rough It is rough It's almost like someone had bad word of mouth Bad word

[01:31:07] Maybe because of its Ending They were just a dramatic head twist What is it Katie? Is it The Village That's right A great movie That was a huge drop Yeah Number three is another adult Another one of those adult thrillers That you were talking about

[01:31:26] It is the second In a series that is now Five films deep Including a spin off At this point we're five Yeah at this point No now today To present day This is the second movie Right This is the second one They're five including a spin off

[01:31:42] It's an adult thriller It's 2004 It seems there will likely be No more maybe Probably You think it's kind of done Yeah You never know 2004 Give me the numbers It's made 124 in three weeks It's going to make 176 Oh it's born So it's a Born Supremacy No Katie

[01:32:08] So it's identity, supremacy, ultimatum, legacy And Jason Bortling Do you know the fun fact about Griffin? Dirt True I have only seen one Jason Bort movie Guess which one it is The Jeremy Renner one Correct You thought it would be a clean entry point Guess what New guy

[01:32:30] New guy this is a clean entry point You're like Oscar Isaac We like him he's in the beginning of the movie Hope he sticks around Yeah Number Four Is a movie we're going to cover on the podcast Coming up Mentoring candidate That's right

[01:32:46] Starring Denzel Washington and Hillary Clinton Oh wait it's Meryl Streep Yes Another movie that would never be released in the summer Today by a major studio Oh it wouldn't be made No Good movie Never seen it Have you seen it?

[01:33:02] No I look forward to hearing you guys talk about it You got the sweatshirt from it I did Adam Drozan I hope I'm not as pronouncing that Who's a blankie came to a tick thing in LA And gave me in a David sized promotional Mentoring candidate sweatshirt

[01:33:18] But you've always wanted Now on the last episode we recorded Which I don't think was last week's episode We talked about a movie that didn't exist Number five in the box office is another one Another masterpiece of not existing Another masterpiece of not existing Another film

[01:33:34] Give me the numbers Twenty is the domestic total gross It's opening to seven this week It's a rom-com That's not a good opening No Can I take a guess? Yeah I want to guess this with no further hints Little black book Correct

[01:33:51] I knew that because I was reading the collateral box office reports Before I came in here Have you ever been tempted to look inside his Little black book Brittany Murphy Holly Hunter Ron Livingston Howard Bill And Kathy Bates Derek Simon One of my oldest best friends

[01:34:10] Reference on the show a lot When he was in film school at NYU His roommate, Vijay Had the little black book poster on his wall Why? He was like a Brittany Murphy thing Anytime anyone came over And they were the guys who always had like tequila

[01:34:28] So people would be coming over For like the pre-game Before the whatever He would always be like You really should see this thing It's got a crazy twist What's the twist? He told me the twist once Can I tell you? Yeah It's referring to his blackberry Right?

[01:34:44] Like it's that specific a time Oh, I assumed it was like an actual book No, I think it's the joke is like Our little black books are now blackberries Like The superstructure of the movie Is I think this story is told Thank you for saying that Yeah

[01:34:58] I think the story is told largely through flashback With the superstructure being that Kathy Bates Is hosting a Sally Gisei Raphael type show I take it back, it's the Palm Tungsten scene Wow Woof Look at this thing Look, God There's a picture of it in the Wikipedia entry?

[01:35:16] That's correct Does it still have a stylus at that point? I don't know It had 64 megabytes of memory though Hello And a Vibrating alarms in an indicator light I don't remember the specifics of the twist But the movie is told I think through flashbacks

[01:35:33] Of this show where they're airing out their grievances As a couple and some way at the end of the movie You find out that the show was staged I think as an excuse for him to propose to her Uh-huh, yeah

[01:35:44] So you're like watching what you think is a dissection Of the relationship falling apart But then it isn't It's like a Jerry Springer had a twist Where it's all been like this other Right, right, in a romantic move Fijay loved it

[01:35:56] Okay, I just want to say one thing about The director of Little Black Book, Nick Hearn His follow up was a film called It's a Boy, Girl thing Which was a body swap movie in which a boy Goes into a girl and vice versa Kevin Zeiger's Samira Armstrong

[01:36:10] Correct Now that film came out in Britain actually Like for summary, I think the OC was so huge That they released it in Britain I still think that Seth Cohen picked the wrong one We can talk about it another time Incorrect, Summer is better than

[01:36:28] Oh, yeah, they're the one true parents I don't know One true parent with a parent Oh, yeah, obviously, yeah The Coens This film, listen up Made $7 million overseas Okay What film are we talking about? It's a Boy, Girl thing

[01:36:43] I want you to tell me how much this film Made in the United States of America It's a Boy, Girl thing It's a Boy, Girl thing Griffin's looking at his phone I'm trying to figure out the twist Oh, who fucking cares? $250,000 Lower $1 $16,000 Lower What? $200 Higher $8,000 Lower What? Two

[01:37:15] Katie was close Katie was close $400 Oh Keep going $700 Keep going $8 Keep going a little more $848 $8 I've never seen a box office Total like this Wow It made $848 It made like a paycheck You know, like Wait, so are you telling me You did not cover craft services

[01:37:41] Are you telling me that Black Hat grossed a thousand It's a Boy, Girl thing That's it That's our show, folks I was hoping the number Was gonna start with an eight That was my prayer I don't know if you know I kept guessing eights Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:38:00] Good call Because I wanted so badly I'm looking up A little black book here No, no, we're done I'm just saying this twist Is incomprehensible It's awful I looked it up too Yeah Alright, we're done Katie Yeah Hi I'm so glad I came on this show Me too

[01:38:17] You've been listening to the PageRound episodes It's been in my head It's how we keep in touch With each other We listen to each other's podcasts I mean, isn't that what We listen to each other's podcasts? Correct Yeah, exactly I'm wearing a black bandcamp

[01:38:28] Jumping Hollywood shirt right now That's what friendship is Yeah, what are they up to? Jumping I mean, IRL I mean, they listen to the podcast They're working on a TV show Oh, that's right They're working on their on TV show They're working on separate things Yeah Great

[01:38:41] James Third's gone Hollywood They're on Forever Dog They're on Forever Dog Just a great podcast network They have some cool shows It's a great show We haven't talked about them in a while Yeah They're the best Yeah, they're great I mean, they've been on the show a bunch

[01:38:52] Yeah I guess the boss has been on the show a bunch Hey Catherine Oh, fuck, I forgot your middle name Hasty Hasty ranch Hasty One away from the Five-Timer's Club I know It's exciting I knew when I moved away from New York

[01:39:04] I was really going to slow my progress down Well, we've been, I mean We tried to stay on the ball Making sure you're still in the game Yeah, listen I'm not giving up You mentioned Patreon I thought of a 5,000 goal Ooh We all have to get tattoos Nope

[01:39:18] No, it's the porch No, it's the porch thing The porch thing Thank you for listening We can't let Ben pick Because he's like We do acid and then I drive on bus To fucking Calgary or something Which sounds wrong What are we going to say, Katie?

[01:39:36] I have to talk to you again Because David Ehrlich was on the show At some point a while ago And failed to mention the podcast That I do with him And I got so mad at him So we talked about Little Club Men earlier That's been unfair

[01:39:46] We knew that grip David's been on recently There's also fighting in the war room Which is another pop culture podcast With me, David Ehrlich Matt Patches and Dave Gonzalez That's right It's a good show I used to listen to it And then I met Katie Rich

[01:39:58] And I was like Eating a celebrity I remember you being a star striker So fucking star striker I genuinely remember David's having me going That's Katie Rich That's David Ehrlich I know them Yeah I mean I listened to their podcast I went to Trivia

[01:40:10] Like such a small amount of times Compared to you guys But it really is like Where everything began It was the cauldron It was the cauldron I'll say Commonality between Your two podcasts In both cases We've had three of the four hosts On the show I know

[01:40:24] We have one more to complete In both cases Yeah Then Mike Hogan Yeah Bring him in We should have Mike Hogan You should I don't know what he's talking about I'm not even sure It's like a good Mike Hogan Movie though

[01:40:36] I feel like I want him to do Like after hours I want Mike on some 80s New York movie Yeah No, get him talking about Gen Z Stuff That's what you do What about a fucking An early demi Like a something wild Or something like that Yeah

[01:40:49] But Mike Hogan is busy Like being the digital director Yeah But yeah Uh, yeah Listen to Fighting in the Warm too And thanks for having me guys Oh, please Our pleasure And we gotta get Charlie On the books Oh, yeah The second you feel Charlie's gotta come back

[01:41:04] He's terrible now What are you guys gonna do The sing episode? I'll say this I mean once we're done With these Marvel Commentaries Uh-huh Knowing me There's a good chance We're gonna cover Some animated franchise At some point Sure Well, Toy Story We've talked about it

[01:41:20] Which is his favorite cars? Uh, well, Cars 3's one in Netflix So that's Kind of the easy way out Yeah, well look in there He's been watching Fantastic Mr. Fox So these podcasts usually run About two hours What do you think Charlie Can manage 20 minutes

[01:41:31] Before he goes crazy I mean if you're Showing the movie in the background You never know It can work Cars 3 is short Oh yeah Cars 3 is good I mean I've heard a tale About Cars 3 There's a rumor Unsubstantiated Just make it the as always Yeah Two makes Cars 3

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