Live from the 18th annual Del Close Marathon in New York City, John Trowbridge (Huffington Post) joins Griffin and David to discuss the Cameron Crowe directed, 2002 Gap commercial entitled “Denim Invasion.” What details can be drawn from this 40 second spot? How does it relate to Ashton Kutcher being fired from Elizabethtown? Where is the proto-flash mob running to? Also featuring surprise appearances from Murf Meyer and Diana Kolsky (Ménage à Trois Radio) for a Burger Report, as well as, director George Lucas (Star Wars) inserting his influence on all of popular culture.
[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David
[00:00:05] Blank Check with Griffin and David
[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to expect
[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check
[00:00:19] Okay, welcome to Blank Check
[00:00:24] Here are your hosts
[00:00:25] Hey everybody
[00:00:26] Here's Griffin Newman
[00:00:27] Hey everybody, my name is Griffin
[00:00:31] Hi, I'm David
[00:00:32] We're the two friends, hashtag the two friends
[00:00:34] We're the only two friends to do a podcast together
[00:00:38] Oh, he's patting me on the back
[00:00:40] This is our live Delclose Marathon 18 episode of a podcast called Blank Check
[00:00:48] Blank Check is made up of mini series
[00:00:51] We like filmmakers, we like directors who have success early on
[00:00:55] and then get a blank check that they can use to do crazy projects
[00:00:58] and sometimes they fail and sometimes they fly
[00:01:00] and I think today we're going to be discussing one of the times where a filmmaker really flies
[00:01:04] Yeah, yeah
[00:01:05] It's giving carte blanche and does something really bold and exciting
[00:01:08] So this is our mini series right now on Cameron Crow
[00:01:10] Yeah, no one's actually heard this mini series yet
[00:01:13] but we're in the middle of it
[00:01:15] The fourth episode we've recorded but none of them have been released yet
[00:01:18] So I didn't think of that until just now
[00:01:20] Yeah, right, yeah, no, this may be really, really poorly thought out
[00:01:23] But this is a mini series called WePod A Cast
[00:01:27] Covering the films of Cameron Crow
[00:01:29] and today we're discussing what I would argue is maybe...
[00:01:31] Where would you put it?
[00:01:33] I'd say it's the seminal work
[00:01:35] I mean, I'd say it's the essential work
[00:01:37] Did you look up the date?
[00:01:39] Yes, okay, yes
[00:01:41] I have course I'm talking about his 2002 masterpiece, Denim Invasion
[00:01:44] which was a commercial he directed for the Gap
[00:01:46] starring Kate Beckinsale
[00:01:48] and Orlando Bloom
[00:01:50] It's a 30 second spot where we're going to discuss that today
[00:01:52] and with us to discuss it is a very special guest
[00:01:55] He's a veteran of the UCB theater
[00:01:57] and a writer for Huffington Post
[00:01:59] ladies and gentlemen, John Fruberidge is here
[00:02:01] Thanks guys, I really appreciate it
[00:02:03] Thank you so much for being here
[00:02:05] Yeah, thank you audience, this is great
[00:02:07] I'd be remiss if I didn't introduce some column of the third friend
[00:02:11] but that's not correct
[00:02:13] We've only got 45 minutes
[00:02:15] So I'm going to go through this very quickly
[00:02:17] Is he your friend of ours? Yeah, of course
[00:02:19] Yeah, I'm a friend
[00:02:21] Hardcore he's a friend but he's not one of the two
[00:02:23] friends
[00:02:24] I don't know why you got to exclude him when you're introducing him
[00:02:26] You could say hashtag the three pals
[00:02:28] Sure
[00:02:29] But we're the two friends, he's our third pal
[00:02:31] goes by a couple names
[00:02:33] Ben Hosley
[00:02:35] Producer Ben
[00:02:37] That makes sense
[00:02:39] As a fan I'd love to
[00:02:41] The Ben Deucer
[00:02:43] Of course, Kylo Ben
[00:02:45] The fuckmaster
[00:02:47] It's true
[00:02:49] He's not Professor Crispy
[00:02:51] We're the first audience here for the first time
[00:02:53] So we're letting a lot of people into our space
[00:02:55] Don't try to be funny either
[00:02:57] That's not funny
[00:02:59] His audio is crisp but that's not funny
[00:03:01] That's not his nickname
[00:03:03] That's all I can remember right now
[00:03:05] He also goes by the poet laureate
[00:03:07] The tiebreaker
[00:03:09] Your birthday was earlier this week
[00:03:11] It was yesterday
[00:03:13] Thank you
[00:03:15] Mr. Positive
[00:03:17] The Piper
[00:03:19] I've been known to peep
[00:03:21] This is a good spot for peeping
[00:03:23] We got big windows
[00:03:25] We're in a big loft space
[00:03:27] A lot of people sitting on inflatable chairs
[00:03:29] And Ben's peeping all of them
[00:03:31] While we have a crowd here, let's make good use of it
[00:03:33] If everyone can
[00:03:35] greet them with a hearty hello fennel
[00:03:37] Can we get on the count of three
[00:03:39] One, two, three
[00:03:41] Hello fennel
[00:03:43] He's a fan of Shyamalan and Benz 8
[00:03:45] Benz 8
[00:03:47] How much time do we have left? Two minutes?
[00:03:49] We've got 40 minutes left
[00:03:51] That's good
[00:03:53] That's about as much time as we need
[00:03:55] for a half a minute movie
[00:03:57] 100%
[00:03:59] Usually we cover 90 minute movies and our podcast is 5 hours long
[00:04:01] But this is 30 seconds
[00:04:03] So let's
[00:04:05] set the scene
[00:04:07] The year is 2002
[00:04:09] Crow's coming off of
[00:04:11] an Academy Award win
[00:04:13] For almost famous
[00:04:15] Which was a big box off of success
[00:04:17] Easily cost
[00:04:19] Sailed past 100 mil domestic
[00:04:21] Probably did at least another 100 overseas
[00:04:23] So he's riding high
[00:04:25] He's got a big blank check
[00:04:27] And Hollywood turns him and they go, what do you want to do?
[00:04:29] And he goes, I want to make gaps
[00:04:31] Sing, I want to make those denim jeans
[00:04:33] Really sing
[00:04:35] To the public
[00:04:37] And he gets two of the brightest up and coming stars
[00:04:39] What's Kate Byn at this point?
[00:04:41] Pearl Harbor was the year before
[00:04:43] I think Serendipity also came out that year
[00:04:45] So that was a big Hollywood anointment year
[00:04:47] Had she done the Underworld series yet?
[00:04:49] I think Underworld is the year after the commercial
[00:04:51] Wow
[00:04:53] Spark the Underworld
[00:04:55] She's in an interesting place, definitely
[00:04:57] Former guest Diana Kolsky
[00:04:59] Is waving to produce her Ben
[00:05:01] I got to get her sandwiches
[00:05:03] Oh, okay
[00:05:05] Do you have to grab sandwiches? No, it's fine
[00:05:07] Well actually Diana
[00:05:09] I have a sandwich
[00:05:11] As you may know
[00:05:13] We have a regular segment on the show called the burger report
[00:05:15] Oh great
[00:05:17] We try to find famous and give them burgers
[00:05:19] Diana, I bought 10 cheeseburgers
[00:05:21] Here today
[00:05:23] Because I figured like we're at the party space
[00:05:25] There are going to be a lot of A-listers here
[00:05:27] Tons of famous here
[00:05:29] Yeah please
[00:05:31] You just have to eat them in front of us right now
[00:05:33] So we can
[00:05:35] Yeah
[00:05:37] Can you eat on mic though actually?
[00:05:39] Yeah, get in here
[00:05:41] Okay so this is
[00:05:43] I'm sorry Griffin, don't you have to eat the burger too?
[00:05:45] Hey guys
[00:05:47] Or is it just that you see someone eating a burger?
[00:05:49] I think you just have to see someone eat a burger
[00:05:51] So Diana Kolsky is here on mic
[00:05:53] Host of Minaj at Twilight Radio on the UCB network
[00:05:55] Thank you so much for the burger
[00:05:57] Of course
[00:05:59] I was gesturing about some sandwiches
[00:06:01] But now I'm going to just get into a burger
[00:06:03] A hamburger sandwich
[00:06:05] Okay here I go
[00:06:07] Wow
[00:06:09] Oh yeah you can really hear it
[00:06:11] That's incredible
[00:06:13] This is great podcast
[00:06:15] Everyone's really into this
[00:06:17] It's dry on my tongue
[00:06:19] Yeah no I think that's the burgers dry
[00:06:21] Just for the listener at home
[00:06:23] This is a cheap burger
[00:06:25] Yeah I got 10 $1 cheeseburgers
[00:06:27] At McDonald's
[00:06:29] Okay wow so that's our first burger report
[00:06:31] And producer Ben has his arm around Diana Kolsky
[00:06:33] This is an amazing moment everyone
[00:06:35] This is our first live burger report
[00:06:37] Thank you Diana
[00:06:39] Okay great fantastic thank you
[00:06:41] Okay so 2002
[00:06:43] Cape Beckinsale
[00:06:45] Has the attention of Hollywood
[00:06:47] She hasn't found her franchise yet
[00:06:49] She hasn't found her purchase within the lands
[00:06:51] Of Underworld
[00:06:53] And Bloom is like
[00:06:55] He's in the middle of
[00:06:57] Yeah Lord of the Rings
[00:06:59] Oh my god wait we got
[00:07:01] Alan Storzinski frequent troll
[00:07:03] Oh my god
[00:07:05] Don't let him skunk us again
[00:07:07] Please don't tell me we're going to get skunked by Storzinski
[00:07:09] We're not going to get skunked by Storzinski
[00:07:11] I'm drawing a very clear line
[00:07:13] Murph Meyer from the Chris Gather Show
[00:07:15] Podcast or Monagatoua Radio
[00:07:17] If you wouldn't mind getting on mic right now and just eating this cheeseburger
[00:07:19] Hey Alan
[00:07:21] If you could do me a favor
[00:07:23] We're looking for famous people
[00:07:25] If you know anyone of note within the party space
[00:07:27] Could you please refer them over here so they could eat a
[00:07:29] Cheeseburger on mic
[00:07:31] Yeah let's not talk about that
[00:07:33] So Murph right now is eating a cheeseburger
[00:07:35] You know what I mean this thing's
[00:07:37] McDonald's is probably going to give you AIDS but I'll tell you what
[00:07:39] It is still the best cheeseburger for the price
[00:07:41] Unbelievable
[00:07:43] Okay so another round of applause for the second
[00:07:47] The second burger report
[00:07:49] On mic
[00:07:51] Orlando Bloom 2002
[00:07:53] We're in the midpoint
[00:07:55] Of the Lord of the Rings trilogy
[00:07:57] What month does the denim invasion arrive
[00:07:59] April
[00:08:01] So fellowship already landed
[00:08:03] Big
[00:08:05] Lost best picture
[00:08:07] But people there's momentum
[00:08:09] He knows he's got two more in the can
[00:08:11] Has Elizabeth Town come out
[00:08:13] No and this I think is interesting
[00:08:15] This is the origin story for Elizabeth Town
[00:08:17] Because originally Cameron Crow cast
[00:08:19] Ashton Kutcher
[00:08:21] In Elizabeth Town
[00:08:23] I got an anonymous scoop
[00:08:25] From an actor who worked on Elizabeth Town
[00:08:27] And said they got as far into like
[00:08:29] Doing rehearsals with the cast
[00:08:31] Like a couple weeks out from filming
[00:08:33] And then we're like fuck this is not sustainable
[00:08:35] Like Ashton Kutcher cannot be the
[00:08:37] Leader of the Cameron Crow movie
[00:08:39] Was it Alec Baldwin
[00:08:41] I'll never tell
[00:08:43] Who else is in Elizabeth Town
[00:08:45] A lot of people
[00:08:47] But do you have a guess as to who it was
[00:08:49] Yeah go on take a guess
[00:08:53] Who was the girl
[00:08:55] It was a character actor
[00:08:57] Maybe your meddust
[00:08:59] No I haven't
[00:09:01] I'd love to
[00:09:03] Can I tell a really sidebar
[00:09:05] Can I talk about it for a second
[00:09:07] We've got too much to get through
[00:09:09] We'll allow a little bit of time
[00:09:11] To talk about this
[00:09:13] My best friend in high school
[00:09:15] For like a year
[00:09:17] One of the years of high school
[00:09:19] You changed friends
[00:09:21] I was loyal by class
[00:09:23] One year I was
[00:09:25] First day back
[00:09:27] In the new year to school
[00:09:29] My friend was like hey Griffin
[00:09:31] Do you like those spider-man movies
[00:09:33] And I was like yeah you know I like those
[00:09:35] Spider-man movies
[00:09:37] And he was like you like that
[00:09:39] The Kirsten Dunst in the Spider-man movies
[00:09:41] And I was like yeah of course I like that Kirsten
[00:09:43] Dunst in that Spider-man movie
[00:09:45] And he was like made out with her
[00:09:47] And I was like what are you talking about
[00:09:49] And he went to some fucking
[00:09:51] Settling paradise
[00:09:53] With his family
[00:09:55] For winter break
[00:09:57] Like a while back
[00:09:59] He was 15
[00:10:01] And Kirsten Dunst was like 23
[00:10:03] And she was the star of Spider-man movies
[00:10:05] And she was like you're cute
[00:10:07] And got drunk at the bar that night
[00:10:09] And at midnight he was like I don't have a midnight kiss
[00:10:11] Do you want to make out and made out with him
[00:10:13] I don't believe that story
[00:10:15] I believe it 100%
[00:10:17] What a dirt boy
[00:10:19] He's a fucking dirt boy
[00:10:21] Anybody who makes out with her shouldn't
[00:10:23] The type of guy that she makes out with
[00:10:25] Isn't a guy that brags about making out with her
[00:10:27] I agree that shows me that he wasn't worthy
[00:10:29] You know
[00:10:31] But Kirsten Dunst if you want to come and refute that story
[00:10:33] Or corroborate it please
[00:10:35] Feel free to be a guest anytime you want on the podcast
[00:10:37] Sure
[00:10:39] Okay so the year is 2002
[00:10:41] Cameron Crowe directs
[00:10:43] He's got the Oscar in the hand
[00:10:45] Beckinsale and Bloom are both stars
[00:10:47] And they're exactly what kind of movie star they're going to be
[00:10:49] Yeah and he smells an invasion in the air
[00:10:51] He smells
[00:10:53] There's something happening
[00:10:55] The khaki air is out
[00:10:57] Yeah exactly
[00:10:59] Khakis are 90s right
[00:11:01] It's the new millennium
[00:11:03] There's a denim invasion happening
[00:11:05] I think invasion is a key word because this is an aggressive commercial
[00:11:07] This commercial doesn't hold
[00:11:09] Any fucking punches
[00:11:11] So we start off crisp
[00:11:13] Beautiful black and white
[00:11:15] It's not crisp
[00:11:17] I watch it on my phone
[00:11:19] You watch it on YouTube for 480p or whatever
[00:11:21] But
[00:11:23] It was also I think interesting to note letterboxed
[00:11:25] This is before tv's had become
[00:11:27] Wide screen so the commercial
[00:11:29] Was letterboxed
[00:11:31] On the screen there's like a white letterboxing
[00:11:33] Yeah it's very white
[00:11:35] It's a white commercial
[00:11:37] It's fitting that Cameron Crowe made this
[00:11:39] 100%
[00:11:41] And so
[00:11:43] First image we see
[00:11:45] Orlando Bloom
[00:11:47] Cape Beckinsale
[00:11:49] Very hot couple
[00:11:51] They're almost canoodling
[00:11:53] They're canoodling
[00:11:55] So first of all they both look incredibly attractive
[00:11:57] They do
[00:11:59] Loose weekend attractive
[00:12:01] Now like trying to do up
[00:12:03] Cool loose clothing coming out of brunch
[00:12:05] Like ha ha ha isn't that funny
[00:12:07] We just killed brunch let's do it
[00:12:09] That's interesting that that's your read
[00:12:11] I want to discuss this for a little bit
[00:12:13] My read was that they were on their way to brunch
[00:12:15] Whoa really?
[00:12:17] I think they're exiting a restaurant are they not
[00:12:19] But I mean it's Los Angeles
[00:12:21] It's like the restaurants all around them
[00:12:23] So they might be walking by a restaurant
[00:12:25] I thought they were going to
[00:12:27] Do you think they have a friend who's a chef at one restaurant
[00:12:29] And they were saying hi to him before going to another restaurant
[00:12:31] Without a doubt
[00:12:33] But they just had one friend
[00:12:35] Who worked at a restaurant
[00:12:37] They didn't have the two friends
[00:12:39] Wait a second oh my god
[00:12:41] Is this
[00:12:43] Passed guest an Academy Award nominated filmmaker
[00:12:45] George Lucas
[00:12:47] Oh my god
[00:12:49] George Lucas
[00:12:51] George Lucas
[00:12:53] Hey you know we have a segment here
[00:12:55] We do in the podcast
[00:12:57] We revamped the podcast a little since you came up
[00:12:59] We have a new segment called the burger port
[00:13:01] Celebrity Z burgers
[00:13:03] Would you mind eating a cheeseburger
[00:13:05] What brand is this
[00:13:07] Well McDonald's is the best of my recollection
[00:13:09] Never done a Star Wars tie in Burger King
[00:13:11] Did for the early films
[00:13:13] Did McDonald's do one?
[00:13:15] That is incorrect I know for a fact
[00:13:17] As a connoisseur of merchandising
[00:13:19] That McDonald's did a toy campaign
[00:13:21] For the Clone Wars
[00:13:23] Theatrically released movie
[00:13:25] But that's a sub series
[00:13:27] You oversaw it
[00:13:29] Your name was on that thing
[00:13:31] I don't really regard that
[00:13:33] No one thinks that's prime Star Wars
[00:13:35] You're gonna eat the burger
[00:13:37] Because they never did a campaign for your main
[00:13:39] I appreciate them doing a sub series
[00:13:41] But Burger King was there
[00:13:43] The beginning and then KFC
[00:13:45] Got on board for
[00:13:47] Phantom Menace I'd happily eat a
[00:13:49] Taco Bell
[00:13:51] It's the burger report
[00:13:53] What wait I thought this was a Star Wars
[00:13:55] I thought this was a Star Wars podcast
[00:13:57] The last time I was on it
[00:13:59] This was a Star Wars podcast and that's why I dropped by
[00:14:01] You talked about the Star Wars
[00:14:03] Prequels and my assumption was
[00:14:05] You would never stop
[00:14:07] Yeah
[00:14:09] A lot of people I think felt that way
[00:14:11] You had such a good run
[00:14:13] So many great episodes
[00:14:15] Were you talking about how much fun it was
[00:14:17] To watch the prequels
[00:14:19] Dave back me up here
[00:14:21] I know you love the prequels
[00:14:23] You loved watching them again and again
[00:14:25] You're taking
[00:14:27] Oh no he's talking to me
[00:14:29] I love the prequels
[00:14:31] When we recorded our 40th episode
[00:14:33] With you watching Revenge of the Sith
[00:14:35] That things were wrapping up
[00:14:37] No I felt like things were getting started
[00:14:39] The prequels are more fun on the re-watch
[00:14:41] What's your take on the prequels
[00:14:43] We re-watched each one 10 times
[00:14:45] Way in on the prequels
[00:14:47] Wasn't a huge fan of the prequels
[00:14:49] Okay
[00:14:51] You were a fan though
[00:14:53] You said you weren't a huge fan of them
[00:14:55] But that implies that you were a fan
[00:14:57] But not a huge fan
[00:14:59] No I guess I was a
[00:15:01] Below a fan
[00:15:03] Why would you word it that way
[00:15:05] It really sounded like you were a fan
[00:15:07] I just want to note
[00:15:09] George still has the burger unopened
[00:15:11] I'm not taking it back from you
[00:15:13] Because I think
[00:15:15] Okay
[00:15:20] George we did a long run
[00:15:22] We did like 9 months just talking about you
[00:15:24] 9 months isn't even a year
[00:15:26] That's not even as long as droids ran
[00:15:28] We did like 40 episodes
[00:15:30] And then we decided you know
[00:15:32] That it was time to move on
[00:15:34] So what's this podcast now
[00:15:36] It's about Cameron Crow
[00:15:38] Cameron Crow
[00:15:40] Yeah we're trying to do like other important filmmakers
[00:15:42] So we did M. Night Shyamalan
[00:15:44] And then we did Wachowski's and now we're doing
[00:15:46] Cameron Crow
[00:15:48] M. Night did a draft of Crystal Skull
[00:15:50] Cameron Crow did a draft
[00:15:52] No M. Night
[00:15:54] Oh M. Night did a draft of Crystal Skull
[00:15:56] How was it
[00:15:58] We would have had to rename it Twistal Skull
[00:16:02] Did you ever work with Cameron Crow
[00:16:04] Was there any overlap there in any sort of way
[00:16:06] Oh I mean they'll have forgive me
[00:16:08] I'm 71 years old
[00:16:10] Did I ever work with Cameron Crow
[00:16:12] The brain wheels are turning people
[00:16:14] We can see it happening
[00:16:16] I know that there was no project on record
[00:16:18] That you worked on with him
[00:16:20] I'm wondering if there was any undeveloped
[00:16:22] You developed but unproduced
[00:16:24] Did he take a pass at droids maybe
[00:16:26] He's not in a animated series
[00:16:28] I'm trying to think there has to be a connection
[00:16:30] So let me go through
[00:16:32] So Cameron Crow
[00:16:34] What was his connection to Fast Times
[00:16:36] He wrote Fast Times
[00:16:38] Then what
[00:16:40] Sniglets
[00:16:42] Say anything
[00:16:44] Singles
[00:16:46] Jeremy Guire
[00:16:48] Almost famous then Denim Invasion
[00:16:50] Show me the money that's based on me
[00:16:52] How is show me the money
[00:16:54] I have a lot of money
[00:16:56] By that count
[00:16:58] You can take credit for anything
[00:17:00] Related to the economy
[00:17:02] Okay
[00:17:04] Was it the Brexit
[00:17:06] A reference to you
[00:17:08] Brexit is a reference
[00:17:10] The BRE
[00:17:12] XIT is a droid
[00:17:14] BRE
[00:17:16] Brexit droid
[00:17:18] Those films did shoot in England
[00:17:20] So it directly affected the Brexit
[00:17:22] I'll say this
[00:17:24] I'll go on record, maybe if I hadn't made all the
[00:17:26] Star Wars movies in England there would have been no Brexit
[00:17:28] So you think
[00:17:30] In a world where
[00:17:32] None of the Star Wars movies were filmed
[00:17:34] In England
[00:17:36] So many things would have changed
[00:17:38] That there's no way we would have arrived at the Brexit
[00:17:40] At least it would have happened on a different day
[00:17:42] Give me that
[00:17:44] Do you think the world would be better or worse?
[00:17:46] I don't know, who knows
[00:17:48] It would have been such a profound change
[00:17:50] Let me ask you this
[00:17:52] You did the sequel trilogy
[00:17:54] Of Star Wars films
[00:17:56] The
[00:17:58] Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back
[00:18:00] The Jedi all filmed in England
[00:18:02] And then when you did your original trilogy
[00:18:04] Which started with the Phantom Menace
[00:18:06] The first film
[00:18:08] That was shot in England
[00:18:10] But then the Cones
[00:18:12] Avenger the Sith were both shot in Sydney, Australia
[00:18:14] Did you sort of have a sense
[00:18:16] Of what was happening
[00:18:18] Did you feel like the Brexit was going to happen
[00:18:20] That was the original Brexit
[00:18:22] I'm going to Brexit this
[00:18:24] I thought of the Cameron Crow connection
[00:18:26] The first draft of Vanilla Sky
[00:18:28] Was called Vanilla Skywalker
[00:18:30] Right
[00:18:32] Lucas Films
[00:18:34] Lucas Films lawyers
[00:18:36] I had my lawyers swoop in and say knock it off
[00:18:38] Wait Griffin
[00:18:40] We're talking about the Denim Invasion
[00:18:42] This is a Denim fan right here
[00:18:44] You're a lot of Denim
[00:18:46] Have you seen the Denim Invasion
[00:18:48] What's the Denim Invasion
[00:18:50] It was a 30 second gap commercial
[00:18:52] The Cameron Crow directed in 2002
[00:18:54] And we're spending our entire podcast talking about it today
[00:18:56] And what happens
[00:18:58] Oh yeah, yeah, yes of course
[00:19:00] Yeah, a second burger from Earthmire
[00:19:02] What happened
[00:19:04] Chris Gaththerichow, writer, consultant
[00:19:06] Creative Producer
[00:19:08] By legal terms Will Miles
[00:19:10] Eaton Burger
[00:19:12] Will I just downloaded your comedy album
[00:19:14] Yeah, iPod
[00:19:16] George Lucas
[00:19:18] Downloaded Will Miles
[00:19:20] We all know who you are
[00:19:22] He knows that you're George Lucas
[00:19:24] I have over 200 songs on my iPod
[00:19:26] Yeah, I know
[00:19:28] I saw Strange Magic
[00:19:30] Thank you, you're the only one
[00:19:32] Who here saw Strange Magic
[00:19:34] Wow
[00:19:36] I didn't care about it
[00:19:38] Did you see it, Murph, Meyer?
[00:19:40] You saw Strange Magic
[00:19:42] I didn't really care for it
[00:19:44] Murph is saying off mic that he didn't care for it with a mouthful of burger
[00:19:46] I also on mic wanted to thank you guys
[00:19:48] For bringing cheeseburgers
[00:19:50] Of course, yeah, no we got it
[00:19:52] Thanks all Chris
[00:19:54] And thank you, Griffin
[00:19:56] John's not a huge fan but is a fan of the Star Wars prequels
[00:19:58] Below fan
[00:20:00] Below fan
[00:20:02] What is below fan
[00:20:04] Still a fan though
[00:20:06] Can we get back to talking about the work at hand
[00:20:08] Because we do, I mean
[00:20:10] We've only gone to the setup
[00:20:12] Which is that they're walking either in
[00:20:14] Or out of brunch
[00:20:16] Okay, so denim invasion
[00:20:18] Yeah, sorry, apparently we're now
[00:20:20] Tell me the burger
[00:20:22] So I'm allowed to hand out burgers
[00:20:24] But then they can't be eaten in this area
[00:20:26] So George maybe you made a good choice
[00:20:28] Yeah, because I want to be a guest for a few more minutes
[00:20:30] What happens in the denim invasion
[00:20:32] Give me the rundown
[00:20:34] I'm great with storytelling
[00:20:36] So I can maybe tell you how I would do it
[00:20:38] A lot happens, so it's black and white imagery
[00:20:40] Right? And we start out, we see a beautiful couple
[00:20:42] Played by Kate Beckinsale and Orlando Bloom
[00:20:44] I almost said Orlando Jones
[00:20:46] Which would be an interesting take on this camera
[00:20:48] That would have been better honestly
[00:20:50] Yeah, Oris Monstus Jones would also be good
[00:20:52] He would have been good in this
[00:20:54] And the two of them are walking either in
[00:20:56] Or out of brunch, we can't tell
[00:20:58] But they're definitely like, it feels like it was like
[00:21:00] A morning in, you know
[00:21:02] Okay, so you think it's a late brunch
[00:21:04] Is that what you're saying?
[00:21:06] I think they woke up, I think they had sex
[00:21:08] No question
[00:21:10] The afterglow is
[00:21:12] Present
[00:21:14] I think they both came
[00:21:16] And then they went to brunch
[00:21:18] And if I can even go back a step
[00:21:20] I think they woke up
[00:21:22] Did some hand stuff
[00:21:24] And we're just going to do a little hand stuff
[00:21:26] Griffin's reading this off a piece of paper, it's weird
[00:21:28] I think they were just going to do a little hand stuff
[00:21:30] Not time for full sex
[00:21:32] And then once the hands were moving they were like
[00:21:34] Just like go the full distance
[00:21:36] Then they both came a bunch
[00:21:38] I think you're totally correct about that
[00:21:40] And I think they came at the same time
[00:21:42] Because the energy I get from the top of this commercial
[00:21:44] Was that was the first time that happened
[00:21:46] So that's why they're grinning, you don't think they're grinning
[00:21:48] Because of the denim invasion that's coming?
[00:21:50] Well I don't think they know it's coming
[00:21:52] But they are wearing denim
[00:21:54] We just got an emergency alert
[00:21:58] Oh no, is the denim invasion coming?
[00:22:00] Oh no
[00:22:02] Rip off your khaki
[00:22:04] Do we know what this is?
[00:22:06] It's a fire alarm
[00:22:08] Oh perfect
[00:22:10] That is the noise that the BREX IT makes
[00:22:12] When attacking
[00:22:14] Can you remind me when the BREX ET
[00:22:16] Appears in the films
[00:22:18] Yeah
[00:22:20] When Grandmarf Tarkin leaves the room
[00:22:22] You'll notice a little droid that's walking around
[00:22:26] And that's him
[00:22:28] Getting me all clear that it's fine
[00:22:30] To keep recording?
[00:22:32] But if there is a fire, Ben
[00:22:34] You have to go first and get this audio
[00:22:36] On to the internet as quickly as possible
[00:22:38] We want the audio crisp
[00:22:40] But not burned to a crisp
[00:22:42] It's gotta be clean
[00:22:44] I'm willing to die if this podcast survives
[00:22:46] Because I think this is our best episode
[00:22:48] If we perish
[00:22:50] This needs to be put out in the world
[00:22:52] This is what I want
[00:22:54] This is our last will and testament
[00:22:56] I want my family to know that I die doing what I loved
[00:22:58] And the people love them more
[00:23:00] And the people love them more
[00:23:02] They both came a bunch
[00:23:04] This is a real Cameron Crow touch
[00:23:06] Different tone
[00:23:08] Thumbs up
[00:23:10] He wants to show physical intimacy
[00:23:12] And love
[00:23:14] A hack
[00:23:16] A hack filmmaker would just go holding hands
[00:23:18] Holding hands, something basic like that
[00:23:20] Someone else might do like PDA
[00:23:22] They're fully making out
[00:23:24] Cameron Crow, the blocking of this scene
[00:23:26] They're fully entangled in each other
[00:23:28] Because it's so white
[00:23:30] It's like they have one body
[00:23:32] They're Siamese people
[00:23:34] They're both wearing denim blue jeans
[00:23:36] And white t-shirts I believe
[00:23:38] In anticipation of the denim invasion
[00:23:40] So they have their arms around each other
[00:23:42] Like this
[00:23:44] They're slow dancing
[00:23:46] But they're moving forward
[00:23:48] And the song starts up
[00:23:50] Ben, do you have the song here?
[00:23:52] You were playing it earlier
[00:23:54] You were mapping into action
[00:23:56] Dave, while he's getting the audio ready
[00:23:58] Can I ask you said Siamese people
[00:24:00] Are they similar to Neimoidians?
[00:24:02] Yeah, yeah, very similar
[00:24:04] Why would you even make that comparison yourself?
[00:24:06] Why would you draw that line?
[00:24:08] I'm just asking, I'm curious
[00:24:10] But you in the past have argued that the Neimoidians are
[00:24:12] You've gotten so many fights with him about this
[00:24:14] I know, I just want to
[00:24:16] Because I feel like half the time
[00:24:18] You try to skirt any responsibility
[00:24:20] Here's the song, here's the song
[00:24:22] I feel it in my toes
[00:24:24] I feel it in my toes
[00:24:26] Right, okay, so the opening lines of this
[00:24:28] Feel it in my fingers, feel it in my toes
[00:24:30] Absolutely not, okay
[00:24:32] So you see them and they feel it in their fingers
[00:24:34] They feel it in their toes, you know?
[00:24:36] The first time I heard this song
[00:24:38] It was the remake of it
[00:24:40] In Love Actually
[00:24:42] With, you know
[00:24:44] Christmas is all around me
[00:24:46] So that's the original to me
[00:24:48] And this is
[00:24:50] Like whatever, this is the fucking derivative of that joke
[00:24:52] Sure, by Bill Nye's character
[00:24:54] Yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah
[00:24:56] That sounds weird to do a bit where you pretend that an earlier thing
[00:24:58] Didn't exist
[00:25:00] Only acknowledged the existence of a later thing
[00:25:02] Yeah, that's the same thing with
[00:25:04] Same thing happened to me with
[00:25:06] Out Cold, you know that
[00:25:08] Zac Alfonaca Snor...
[00:25:10] Snobarty Moody which is pretty much just Casablanca
[00:25:12] Which I saw after Casablanca
[00:25:14] And so then I saw that
[00:25:16] And then I saw Casablanca and I'm like
[00:25:18] That's just fucking Out Cold
[00:25:20] Fuck that
[00:25:22] It is worth noting that this commercial did
[00:25:24] Air
[00:25:26] A year and a half before Love Actually came out
[00:25:28] So Love Actually might be kind of paying
[00:25:30] homage to keeping its hat to the denim invasion
[00:25:32] Not to be too nerdy but you know
[00:25:34] Wet Wet covered this song and it was featured
[00:25:36] in Four Weddings and a Funeral, I believe
[00:25:38] Richard Curtis' Joint, so
[00:25:40] So there's a line there, there's definitely a line
[00:25:42] There where it fits in to the chronology
[00:25:44] And, um, and they're
[00:25:46] Yeah, so they're entangled, they feel in their fingers
[00:25:48] They feel it in their toes and at first
[00:25:50] We don't see their toes but it's implied
[00:25:52] Right, that's interesting because
[00:25:54] They do frame them sort of cowboy style
[00:25:56] Like just sort of like a little bit
[00:25:58] You get a little bit of the crop because you need to see that they're wearing the jeans
[00:26:00] Like George Lucas is still here by the way
[00:26:02] Yeah, Academy Award nominated filmmaker
[00:26:04] George Lucas is still on the podcast
[00:26:06] That's right
[00:26:08] Alright, carry on, carry on
[00:26:10] So you don't see their toes but it's sort of the magic
[00:26:12] Of cinema that like they let you
[00:26:14] Assume that the toes are there
[00:26:16] It's sort of implied
[00:26:18] I'm glad I brought this up
[00:26:20] Yeah, based on your knowledge of what a human body usually looks like
[00:26:22] Yeah, I mean in filmmaking one of the rules is
[00:26:24] Show Don't Tell but another rule is
[00:26:26] Sometimes you don't even have to show
[00:26:28] No, sometimes you just do
[00:26:30] Yeah, you just know
[00:26:32] He didn't show that they were toes
[00:26:34] But he did tell through the song
[00:26:36] That there were toes
[00:26:38] It's no don't tell
[00:26:40] They tell us that the audience just knows
[00:26:42] Like I feel like the way you're saying it
[00:26:44] It sounds like don't tell
[00:26:46] No, show don't tell
[00:26:48] But if don't show then no, don't tell
[00:26:50] That's what
[00:26:52] You know, the public version
[00:26:54] It gets shortened but that's what real filmmakers
[00:26:56] And storytellers say is we say
[00:26:58] Show don't tell, no
[00:27:00] Unless no then show
[00:27:02] And don't show, no don't tell
[00:27:04] And that's written on the side of the USC film building
[00:27:06] That's right
[00:27:08] So now it's starting up
[00:27:10] They got the feel and you think
[00:27:12] I think at first read when you're watching the commercial for the first time
[00:27:14] Because we all watched it at least two times
[00:27:16] I watched about ten
[00:27:18] Griffin told me to watch it at least two times
[00:27:20] You gotta watch it at least two because the first time it doesn't really make sense
[00:27:22] And then the second time it really clicks
[00:27:24] Yeah
[00:27:26] It's sort of like six cents where like you need to know the ending
[00:27:28] Yeah, you gotta have the logic of it
[00:27:30] Yeah, mapped out
[00:27:32] So when I hear the first time feel in my fingers
[00:27:34] Feel in my toes, I'm like love
[00:27:36] They feel love, they're in love, they just came together
[00:27:38] Actually now that I think about it
[00:27:40] I don't think they fucked
[00:27:42] I don't think they fucked before the thing
[00:27:44] Because I think they woke up
[00:27:46] I think they did some light hand stuff
[00:27:48] Okay, you do agree on the hand stuff
[00:27:50] I do believe on the hand stuff
[00:27:52] But then I think they were like oh fuck
[00:27:54] Like someone saw the time and was like shit we gotta go
[00:27:56] We gotta go see our friend the chef
[00:27:58] And then they paused
[00:28:00] The sex
[00:28:02] They paused like the sexual activity
[00:28:04] Because like I feel like if you fucked
[00:28:06] You went to go eat
[00:28:08] You wouldn't need to like hold them on the street
[00:28:10] You know you wouldn't like feel
[00:28:12] The throats, you're saying it's so
[00:28:14] To like hold them and like squeeze them on the street
[00:28:16] You'd be like well we fucked already
[00:28:18] Let's just walk across the street to this place
[00:28:20] But if you
[00:28:22] You're a body language doctor right?
[00:28:24] Yes
[00:28:26] I write body language posts for the
[00:28:28] Huffington Post
[00:28:30] But yeah and so I think if you
[00:28:32] If you're like uh oh well we're gonna fuck later
[00:28:34] Then that's like a fun thing that you have in your head
[00:28:36] You know and then you squeeze them on
[00:28:38] You squeeze them on the street to be like
[00:28:40] I'm squeezing you this tight now but when I fuck you later
[00:28:42] That's fascinating, yeah and I like
[00:28:44] That's gonna be much better
[00:28:46] I like that you said paused rather than stop the sexual activity
[00:28:48] Because there's this promise of like we're gonna pick it up
[00:28:50] Yeah
[00:28:52] But they gotta get to brunch
[00:28:54] They over slept
[00:28:56] Now do you think we establish of course
[00:28:58] That they are going into a brunch place
[00:29:00] That they're not eating at to say hi to their one friend
[00:29:02] Who is the chef?
[00:29:04] That's our working theory
[00:29:06] But do you think at the brunch that they're eventually
[00:29:08] Trying to get to
[00:29:10] They are meeting friends there because I think
[00:29:12] That really could
[00:29:14] Change the way you view what happens
[00:29:16] In the rest of this commercial
[00:29:18] Well why don't
[00:29:20] Yeah I think I'd say they're
[00:29:22] Meeting friends because they look like
[00:29:24] They dressed well enough to impress somebody
[00:29:26] Well they were in Gap
[00:29:28] They were in their Gap finance
[00:29:30] David do you
[00:29:32] I'm trying to think of like so
[00:29:34] Beckinsale could be meeting
[00:29:36] I'm trying to think of Cameron Crow people that could be meeting
[00:29:38] Like Beckinsale could be meeting John Cusack
[00:29:40] Oh you're saying are they meeting people from
[00:29:42] The Crowverse
[00:29:44] Who was Bloom in a movie with who was in a
[00:29:46] Cameron Crow movie
[00:29:48] Well he was in Elizabeth Town
[00:29:50] No but that's later
[00:29:52] Other than that
[00:29:54] Well he's
[00:29:56] He was in Elizabeth Town with Alec Baldwin
[00:29:58] This is no good
[00:30:00] Depp was never
[00:30:02] Keir Knightley was never
[00:30:04] None of the Lord of the Rings people were ever in a Crow movie
[00:30:06] Right? I don't think so
[00:30:08] What if Tyler feels like she would have been in a Crow movie
[00:30:10] Kate Hudson maybe
[00:30:12] Kate Hudson was never in a Crow
[00:30:14] Oh no it's in Elizabeth
[00:30:16] What was the film that he was in with her
[00:30:18] Let's just say they're meeting up
[00:30:20] It's gonna be Hudson Beckinsale Cusack
[00:30:22] Bloom
[00:30:24] That's the brunch date
[00:30:26] Lloyd Dobbler
[00:30:28] Yeah in character
[00:30:30] They're meeting Lloyd Dobbler and Jerry Maggs
[00:30:32] And Kenny Lane
[00:30:34] They're meeting Jerry Maggs
[00:30:36] Showing them the brunch
[00:30:38] So they get
[00:30:40] They're walking on the street, they start to feel that
[00:30:42] They look at each other and they have this sort of like
[00:30:44] I don't know should we kind of look
[00:30:46] Like they have this weird kind of knowing
[00:30:48] Are we, is that like
[00:30:50] Are we freaks? Like should we do this
[00:30:52] And then they sort of nod to each other
[00:30:54] And they start like running
[00:30:56] They start booking it
[00:30:58] It's not even like a transition from like
[00:31:00] Strolling, because they're not walking
[00:31:02] They're strolling, right? Casually
[00:31:04] And they don't do like a soft transition
[00:31:06] To like oh let's power walk
[00:31:08] Let's jog, let's run
[00:31:10] You know how you transition
[00:31:12] From power walking to jogging to running
[00:31:14] Yeah we all transition
[00:31:16] And don't be transphobic here David
[00:31:18] We all transition from power walking
[00:31:20] To running
[00:31:22] And so they start
[00:31:24] Negative five comedy points
[00:31:26] They start running full speed
[00:31:28] And you're like sort of what's going on here
[00:31:30] Why are they running? Are they that late for brunch
[00:31:32] But they're like smiling as they're doing it
[00:31:34] But they're still holding each other, right
[00:31:36] You can nods closely now because that would
[00:31:38] Limit mobility but they're still like holding each other
[00:31:40] Tightly and then you notice in the background
[00:31:42] Yeah
[00:31:44] Everyone's fucking running
[00:31:46] Not only that, they're all wearing the same clothes
[00:31:48] They're all wearing Gab Denham
[00:31:50] It's like an attack on the clothes
[00:31:52] Well, I mean
[00:31:54] George Lucas is still on this podcast
[00:31:56] I just watched the commercial on my
[00:31:58] Cellular telephone
[00:32:00] So tell us what you thought of it
[00:32:02] George
[00:32:04] Well it looks to me like a classic
[00:32:06] Star Wars homage
[00:32:08] It looks like they're referencing
[00:32:10] One of the classic lines I use
[00:32:12] It's either some version of this
[00:32:14] In almost all my movies where people say we gotta get out of here
[00:32:16] It happens all the time
[00:32:18] You'll notice people say we gotta get out of here
[00:32:20] And this is a commercial where everybody
[00:32:22] Says it at once
[00:32:24] We gotta get out of here
[00:32:26] And then they do it
[00:32:28] So you view this commercial as having a sense of threat
[00:32:30] You have a clone army
[00:32:32] Yeah
[00:32:34] And they all gotta get out of here
[00:32:36] That's a Star Wars double play
[00:32:38] So you think there is a clone army
[00:32:40] You think a clone army dressed in what you said
[00:32:42] My trademark denim outfit
[00:32:44] And they all basically say with their actions
[00:32:46] As in show don't tell
[00:32:48] We gotta get out of here
[00:32:50] You're telling me that isn't one, two, three
[00:32:52] Star Wars Lucas
[00:32:54] George were you offended that Cameron didn't come to you
[00:32:56] For consult you on this work
[00:32:58] No people look
[00:33:00] I'm not offended, I've been more offended
[00:33:02] If he paid me five billion dollars to ruin my life
[00:33:04] You know
[00:33:06] That's what Disney did
[00:33:08] Yeah I know
[00:33:10] We've had you on the podcast a number of times now
[00:33:12] Every time you keep on talking about
[00:33:14] How wounded you feel
[00:33:16] By the Disney deal
[00:33:18] And when I press you on it you deny
[00:33:20] Sort of feeling bad about it
[00:33:22] They're great people and they ruined it
[00:33:24] What did they ruin?
[00:33:26] Star Wars and everything
[00:33:28] They ruined everything
[00:33:30] I don't think we haven't had you on this show
[00:33:32] Since the Force Awakens came out
[00:33:34] That's the thing
[00:33:36] I kept my mouth shut
[00:33:38] I was classy up until right before
[00:33:40] The movie release when I compared Disney to white slavers
[00:33:42] Yeah I remember
[00:33:44] Which is a real thing you said
[00:33:46] Not on this podcast
[00:33:48] I said it to Charlie Rose
[00:33:50] I said that selling Star Wars
[00:33:52] To Disney was like selling
[00:33:54] Your child to white slavers
[00:33:56] And I said this
[00:33:58] Knowing that people would hear it
[00:34:00] Publicly
[00:34:02] It was in front of a camera
[00:34:04] In front of a camera
[00:34:06] And I intentionally waited until a month
[00:34:08] Before the release because I'm a class act
[00:34:10] So did you see the movie after that?
[00:34:12] Yeah
[00:34:14] What were your thoughts on The Force Awakens?
[00:34:16] I thought it looked like
[00:34:18] I couldn't see through all my tears
[00:34:20] It was hard to see
[00:34:22] Because the film emotionally sort of overtook you
[00:34:24] You were caught with a story
[00:34:26] It's a good emotional movie
[00:34:28] I wanted to make a Star Wars movie
[00:34:30] The thing is when you see a commercial
[00:34:32] Bring us back to Denim Revolution
[00:34:34] Invasion
[00:34:36] Which is better?
[00:34:38] Denim Invasion
[00:34:40] Which is better?
[00:34:42] The Force Awakens
[00:34:44] Honestly if you're looking for a movie recommendation
[00:34:46] Someone says to you
[00:34:48] See Star Wars Episode
[00:34:50] Phony The Force Awakens
[00:34:52] I hope you have a
[00:34:54] Better friend with good taste who says no
[00:34:56] Watch the Denim Invasion
[00:34:58] 100 times instead
[00:35:00] Because
[00:35:02] 100 times would be 50 minutes
[00:35:04] That's still one third of The Force Awakens
[00:35:06] Essentially
[00:35:08] Then watch it 100 more times
[00:35:10] Can you explain to me
[00:35:12] What you dislike so strongly about The Force Awakens?
[00:35:14] Never, none of it happened
[00:35:16] What do you mean none of it happened?
[00:35:18] It did happen, they made the movie
[00:35:20] Anybody can just make up a Star Wars story
[00:35:22] I wanted to tell you what really happened
[00:35:24] None of that happened
[00:35:26] By what metric are these things real?
[00:35:28] You made up a bunch of stories
[00:35:30] I'm a storyteller
[00:35:32] No, he's something else
[00:35:34] But when you're saying what really happened
[00:35:36] In your mind what really happened
[00:35:38] What would Episode 7 be
[00:35:40] What really happened The Force Awakens is not
[00:35:42] What really happened
[00:35:44] Legally I can't tell you that's part of my curse
[00:35:46] And my shame
[00:35:48] Is that I accepted billions of dollars
[00:35:50] Billions of dollars
[00:35:52] To keep silent
[00:35:54] To keep the truth from people
[00:35:56] I wish I could tell you this Han Solo doesn't die
[00:35:58] He lives forever
[00:36:00] In your Episode 7
[00:36:02] Is revealed that Han Solo is immortal
[00:36:04] Yeah, he lives forever, he gets hit by a Force Blast
[00:36:06] I shouldn't even tell you this
[00:36:08] He gets hit by a blast
[00:36:10] The Pure Force makes him a
[00:36:12] Forever Angel of Life
[00:36:14] He's a forever Angel of Life
[00:36:16] Look I don't care, Disney Consume me
[00:36:18] This is what happens
[00:36:20] Harrison Ford would really love to sink his teeth into
[00:36:22] He's definitely a guy who seems to have a lust for life
[00:36:24] Would you rather
[00:36:26] No, you see his earring
[00:36:28] Shines and
[00:36:30] You would have him wear the earring
[00:36:32] Can Mr. Flockhart be in
[00:36:34] Your sequels?
[00:36:36] The Dancing Baby would be in it
[00:36:38] The Dancing Baby from Ally McFeel
[00:36:40] That baby was pure CGI
[00:36:42] Just like Jar Jar
[00:36:44] When I saw The Dancing Baby on Ally McFeel
[00:36:46] That's when I knew I got to put one of these
[00:36:48] Phony characters in my movie
[00:36:50] And it's going to be hilarious, just like Ally McFeel
[00:36:52] I just want to be clear about this
[00:36:54] This is the chain, in your Star Wars films
[00:36:56] There was a character Han Solo who was played by
[00:36:58] Harrison Ford
[00:37:00] Because of that, Ergo
[00:37:02] In your 7th film, hypothetically
[00:37:04] Han Solo the character
[00:37:06] Would wear the earring that Harrison Ford
[00:37:08] The actor in real life wears
[00:37:10] If you want to see a Star Wars movie
[00:37:12] With the number 7 in it
[00:37:14] You'd be better off seeing Six Day, Seven Nights
[00:37:16] Where he wears that earring than you would be seeing
[00:37:18] Because that's more of a Han Solo movie
[00:37:20] Let me tell you something, I didn't make
[00:37:22] 3 Star Wars movies, 2 Ewok movies
[00:37:24] And many more Star Wars related things
[00:37:26] Including that Clone Wars thing you talked about
[00:37:28] You were a best fan of that
[00:37:30] I don't want your dismissal
[00:37:32] Just to have some teenager
[00:37:34] Sucker stab
[00:37:36] His daddy
[00:37:38] Because that's what happened, he got killed by a teenager
[00:37:40] A moody teenager
[00:37:42] I think Adam Driver is like 320
[00:37:44] Imagine sitting through Return of the Jedi
[00:37:46] And at the end of the movie
[00:37:48] Turning to your friends and saying
[00:37:50] Hey guess what, I bet some teenager
[00:37:52] Sticks him into a
[00:37:54] Getting stabbed through the front
[00:37:56] I bet that's how this ends
[00:37:58] Your friends would say you're dumb
[00:38:00] Okay, as opposed to a film in which
[00:38:02] Han Solo wears the earring
[00:38:04] That Harrison Ford wears in real life
[00:38:06] Ergo, Callista Flockard
[00:38:08] His real life wife would play a character
[00:38:10] Ergo, the dancing baby from Alan McBeal
[00:38:12] A show she was on previously
[00:38:14] As an actress, not a character
[00:38:16] Would be in the film, and how would that end?
[00:38:18] I'm not going to give away the ending
[00:38:20] I buy the rights back from Disney and redo all this
[00:38:22] That's your plan
[00:38:24] Maybe, maybe
[00:38:26] Are you flipping houses right now with your 5 billion?
[00:38:28] Is that how you're going to get the money?
[00:38:30] Maybe if I need to, I flip Skywalker Ranch
[00:38:32] I flip it
[00:38:34] Do you have any bidders right now?
[00:38:36] No bidders on deck right now
[00:38:38] It's a great place, we have our own fire department
[00:38:40] That's a big selling point
[00:38:42] A lot of times we were like does it have 3 bathrooms?
[00:38:44] I'm like yeah, it's also got its own fire department
[00:38:46] It has stained glass by Marsha Lucas
[00:38:48] Built by the man who cuckolded me
[00:38:50] That's true fact
[00:38:52] The stained glass
[00:38:54] was
[00:38:56] installed by a man who cuckolded me
[00:38:58] Oh I know, I've talked about it a lot on this podcast
[00:39:00] Much to David's display
[00:39:02] Why do I keep that stained glass up?
[00:39:04] That's a question I'll never answer
[00:39:06] Why would you, if a man cuckolded you
[00:39:08] Would you keep up the stained glass
[00:39:10] that he built for your house?
[00:39:12] That's the 5 billion dollar question I would say
[00:39:14] Because not only was it the man who cuckolded you
[00:39:16] But that's how they met
[00:39:18] And she left immediately after the stained glass
[00:39:20] was gone
[00:39:22] That symbolizes that moment in your life
[00:39:24] where everything fell apart
[00:39:26] You seem to have an issue with the idea that Han Solo
[00:39:28] would wear an earring, but I gave
[00:39:30] Anakin a rat tail
[00:39:32] But Hayden Christensen did he have a rat tail
[00:39:34] in real life? No that was a CGI rat tail
[00:39:36] Well that's my point
[00:39:38] My issue isn't with wearing the earring
[00:39:40] I think you're blurring these lines
[00:39:42] Griffin you're getting sucked into another debate with George Lucas
[00:39:44] It's hard not to
[00:39:46] We got 5 minutes of oceanic
[00:39:48] I'm gonna leave now
[00:39:50] I'm gonna leave now
[00:39:52] But I wish you the best
[00:39:54] I really do think that congratulations
[00:39:56] on denim invasion
[00:39:58] podcast
[00:40:00] So all the remaining episodes are gonna be about denim invasion
[00:40:02] No it's about other Cameron Crow films
[00:40:04] We're gonna go through all of Cameron Crow films
[00:40:06] Can I recommend, please, if you're not gonna do about Star Wars
[00:40:08] Make every episode of this podcast about denim invasion
[00:40:10] Why would we do that?
[00:40:12] That's a fool's
[00:40:14] I mean I asked so nicely just now
[00:40:16] I'll consider it
[00:40:18] It's under consideration
[00:40:20] You sound like Disney executives
[00:40:22] Do you want to take a burger with you as you go?
[00:40:24] What kind of burgers do you have? McDonald's burgers
[00:40:26] You had a cheeseburger, there are other kinds
[00:40:28] What do you have, a Big Mac? No it's just
[00:40:30] I got the basic like $1 cheeseburger
[00:40:32] No thanks
[00:40:34] George Lucas everybody
[00:40:36] He could buy 5 billion of those burgers
[00:40:38] Thank you George
[00:40:40] Georgey Porgy Lucas, our little baby boy
[00:40:42] So this denim invasion
[00:40:44] Yeah so let's get back
[00:40:46] We got a lot to cover still in the commercial
[00:40:48] Somehow we still didn't get to the end of a 30 second commercial
[00:40:50] I told you
[00:40:52] We don't use the 45 minutes as a constraint on us
[00:40:54] I walked in
[00:40:56] and Ben said what are we gonna do
[00:40:58] And I said I think we're gonna talk about the commercial
[00:41:00] 45 minutes 100%
[00:41:02] Okay so the commercial ends with
[00:41:04] Yeah where'd we leave it on
[00:41:06] They were running with many people dressed
[00:41:08] And they were about to start running
[00:41:10] Possibly
[00:41:12] And the troggs are on the
[00:41:14] An element I think that you
[00:41:16] Gloucester over Griffin is that they
[00:41:18] They're holding each other and then they start
[00:41:20] To like walk a little faster but then they look behind them
[00:41:22] And see the mob of
[00:41:24] Models
[00:41:26] Clones
[00:41:28] Model clones chasing after them
[00:41:30] And then that's what makes them run faster and faster
[00:41:32] And faster and faster
[00:41:34] But it's unclear
[00:41:36] I think it's very unclear as to whether they're running
[00:41:38] With or running away from
[00:41:40] Yeah is it supposed to be a hard
[00:41:42] Day's night thing are they being chased
[00:41:44] Were they being chased by them before
[00:41:46] And they ran into the restaurant to hide from them
[00:41:48] But now they've been rumbled again
[00:41:50] The title of the commercial is denim invasion
[00:41:52] And here's a real director's flourish
[00:41:54] The commercial starts with a title card
[00:41:56] And that's not the youtube upload
[00:41:58] Like you put a title card on it
[00:42:00] The camera upload of this personally
[00:42:02] This is not his personal youtube account
[00:42:04] Let's point that out
[00:42:06] The commercial starts with
[00:42:08] Over the image a superimposed hell that says
[00:42:10] Denim invasion so very few commercials
[00:42:12] Let you know what the title is so you have a sense
[00:42:14] Of sort of foreboding dread
[00:42:16] And it's like are they leading the invasion
[00:42:18] You know
[00:42:20] Have they become these defacto revolutionaries
[00:42:22] That's interesting and greatness
[00:42:24] Has been thrusted upon them whereas they didn't want it
[00:42:26] Before right that's nuts
[00:42:28] Is this commercial about Orlando
[00:42:30] Bloom and Kate Beckinsale
[00:42:32] Actors
[00:42:34] Who are now getting caught by fans
[00:42:36] Having a secret affair
[00:42:38] Or do they just play two fictional characters
[00:42:40] Who are being chased by an ominous group
[00:42:42] Of beautiful people wearing denim
[00:42:44] For unknown reasons
[00:42:46] It's ambiguous
[00:42:48] I like to think that they woke up
[00:42:50] And they sort of felt like the two of them were
[00:42:52] You know they sort of felt like outsiders
[00:42:54] You think they felt it in their fingers
[00:42:56] And then this group of people made them
[00:42:58] Their leader and at first they're like
[00:43:00] Responsibility I don't know anything about the denim
[00:43:02] Invasion I don't know
[00:43:04] I guess I think things are fine but maybe they're not
[00:43:06] And now they have to lead this entire revolution
[00:43:08] Across the whole world
[00:43:10] They felt it in their fingers and in their toes
[00:43:12] That's how a revolution starts
[00:43:14] You get this sort of burning kind of tingling
[00:43:16] In the extremities you're saying
[00:43:18] But I also think the key to decoding this commercial
[00:43:20] Is in the main
[00:43:22] Thrust of the song when it really kicks in
[00:43:24] Is love is all around us
[00:43:26] And so there's sort of being like attacked with love
[00:43:28] And the rest of all these people
[00:43:30] Wearing denim has activated their power
[00:43:32] It's almost like watching a Cameron Crow movie
[00:43:34] Feeling attacked by love
[00:43:36] Yes definitely definitely
[00:43:38] Good looking people being really happy
[00:43:40] I'm going to clarify
[00:43:42] Good looking white people being really happy
[00:43:44] For sure
[00:43:46] And madly in love
[00:43:48] And just sort of swarming you
[00:43:50] This we should also mention this commercial is all done in one shot
[00:43:52] One take
[00:43:54] It's one take and it starts
[00:43:56] It's all around different sides of them
[00:43:58] I watched it like ten times as I said
[00:44:00] And as far as I could tell
[00:44:02] They had a crane on a car
[00:44:04] Because at the end
[00:44:06] It's like an overhead shot
[00:44:08] It jumps into the air
[00:44:10] It starts at sort of eye level
[00:44:12] But at a different perspective
[00:44:14] It makes these massive shifts
[00:44:16] So you think this is Crow announcing himself
[00:44:18] As a visual filmmaker
[00:44:20] I think so I think this was his touch of evil moment
[00:44:22] Yeah exactly
[00:44:24] I'm like I'm known as a writer
[00:44:26] I've got my writing Oscar
[00:44:28] Editing but I don't do a lot of flashy camera work
[00:44:30] And he's like I'm going to move this baby
[00:44:32] You know what I'm saying?
[00:44:34] This is him entering into the Palma mode
[00:44:36] Who do you think shot this? Zygmond?
[00:44:38] Yeah probably we should figure that out
[00:44:40] But I also think this commercial was probably
[00:44:42] Prohibitably expensive
[00:44:44] That's my sense of it
[00:44:46] Now when Kutcher drops out of Elizabeth town
[00:44:48] Four years later
[00:44:50] Three years later
[00:44:52] It was like late in the game
[00:44:54] They had the rest of the cast set
[00:44:56] They were doing rehearsals and everything
[00:44:58] What are we going to do?
[00:45:00] Crow wakes up
[00:45:02] Jeremy Guire style
[00:45:04] Covered in sweat
[00:45:06] He gets to his laptop
[00:45:08] He writes a manifesto
[00:45:10] He finds his manifesto about the denim invasion
[00:45:12] And he's like bloom
[00:45:14] That's what we'll do
[00:45:16] It's bloom, it's spring
[00:45:18] Do you think Elizabeth town would have worked
[00:45:20] If it had been in Beckinsale
[00:45:22] If he'd gotten them back together
[00:45:24] I will say this
[00:45:26] There's no circumstances
[00:45:28] Under which it could have worked
[00:45:30] Instinctively I say no
[00:45:32] That was reflexive
[00:45:34] I almost like puked it into the mic
[00:45:36] Absolutely not
[00:45:38] Should probably wrap up
[00:45:40] I didn't win the Hamilton lottery
[00:45:42] By the way I told my Twitter fan
[00:45:44] I would let you know what happened to me
[00:45:46] In the Hamilton lottery today
[00:45:48] I'm sorry about that
[00:45:50] I think like negative minutes
[00:45:52] I do think they had
[00:45:54] Great chemistry in this video
[00:45:56] I wish they did more work together
[00:45:58] I'd love to see them do a film together again
[00:46:00] How does it end?
[00:46:02] We describe the ending
[00:46:04] It goes to an overhead shot
[00:46:06] And they just get sort of swarmed by the crowd
[00:46:08] And then it fades to pure white
[00:46:10] And then there's this weird blue box
[00:46:12] And the letters G-A-P appear
[00:46:14] I don't know what that means
[00:46:16] There's a gap between
[00:46:18] In their relationship
[00:46:20] There's a gap between you and someone else
[00:46:22] Do you have a final take?
[00:46:24] I wanted to ask you guys
[00:46:26] Say they didn't have sex
[00:46:28] And then they ran
[00:46:30] They got a moment alone with each other
[00:46:32] How do you think the sex acts
[00:46:34] Were between the two of them
[00:46:36] Once they got time to have sex
[00:46:38] After the denim revolution
[00:46:40] I think they had a stomach thing
[00:46:42] After all that running
[00:46:44] They weren't up for it
[00:46:46] I think it was straight up butt fucking
[00:46:48] I think they were looking
[00:46:50] At all these people wearing jeans
[00:46:52] Butt are the thing that are intensified
[00:46:54] In this crowd looking at all these butts
[00:46:56] And he was like, I gotta fuck a butt
[00:46:58] That's our show
[00:47:00] We're gonna end right there
[00:47:02] Merchandise spotlight
[00:47:04] Gap is a national chain
[00:47:06] You can go there and buy denim
[00:47:08] Are you wearing jeans?
[00:47:10] I think these might be another uniclobe
[00:47:12] You're wearing a green jeans
[00:47:14] Yeah, but go to Gap
[00:47:16] They have great merchandise from the denim invasion
[00:47:18] They're still selling denim invasion
[00:47:20] Merchandise
[00:47:22] And as always
[00:47:28] Just fuck a butt
[00:47:30] Alright, thanks guys
[00:47:32] Thank you
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