Die Hard with a Vengeance with Shea Serrano

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, Don't know what's

[00:00:10] a say or two aspects.

[00:00:12] All you need to know is that the aim of the show is Blank Check.

[00:00:22] Think fast, look alive, podcast hard.

[00:00:27] I just, you were struggling to find a quote.

[00:00:29] I was struggling on the quotes page.

[00:00:31] This is a well written movie with a lot of, you used to do it, you always just do the tag

[00:00:35] lines.

[00:00:36] I only started going to the quotes when the tag lines started failing me.

[00:00:38] But like this is a well written movie with a lot of fun dialogue but like you noted a lot

[00:00:43] of back and forth ping ponging the dialogue.

[00:00:45] Be a lot to put on you.

[00:00:47] Or what it just would sound weird.

[00:00:50] But also this is just one of the, to me iconic 90s poster captions.

[00:00:57] Well let's call it out.

[00:00:58] One of the most well written titles ever.

[00:01:00] Die Hard with a Vengeance?

[00:01:01] I mean come on.

[00:01:03] Yeah, it is pretty good and it's actually correct.

[00:01:06] It's correct.

[00:01:07] Like there's someone who wants vengeance in the movie.

[00:01:09] Yes.

[00:01:10] So it makes sense.

[00:01:11] Right.

[00:01:12] And I feel like people will try this to little success.

[00:01:15] This same sort of can you make the sequel title a sentence?

[00:01:18] Live for your die hard, a good day to die hard.

[00:01:20] Those for me don't work.

[00:01:22] Star Trek into darkness.

[00:01:23] Yes.

[00:01:25] Star Trek beyond kind of gets, that's fine.

[00:01:27] That's what it's like.

[00:01:28] That one's fun.

[00:01:29] That one's fun.

[00:01:30] That one's fun.

[00:01:31] Because it's sort of like right.

[00:01:32] Right.

[00:01:33] Have it be a die hard with, but die hard with a vengeance sounds like nothing.

[00:01:35] Correct.

[00:01:36] Unless you know there's a movie called die hard.

[00:01:38] That's what's perfect about it.

[00:01:39] Here's another thing.

[00:01:40] Like if I said to you, like what I want you to do is die hard with a vengeance who would

[00:01:42] be like, why is that mean?

[00:01:44] Yeah.

[00:01:45] But in this context you're like absolutely.

[00:01:46] What else?

[00:01:47] How else could you describe the events of this film?

[00:01:49] Just look at that poster.

[00:01:50] Yeah, it looks incredible.

[00:01:51] Think fast, look alive, die hard.

[00:01:54] McLean is back.

[00:01:55] McLean's back.

[00:01:56] He's in a white undershirt.

[00:01:57] Yeah.

[00:01:58] He's got his, you know, his badge on a lanyard.

[00:02:01] He looks great in this film.

[00:02:04] No, the thing I was going to say is that he got your sequel title sort of subtitle words

[00:02:10] that get reused over and over again like legacy and retribution.

[00:02:15] Sure.

[00:02:16] And whatever.

[00:02:17] Your like vengeance is underused but it's because it only fits well here.

[00:02:22] Is everyone used again?

[00:02:24] I was, I was Google.

[00:02:25] I feel like there's like a red box movie.

[00:02:28] Oh, well the fucking BJ Novak movie is just called vengeance.

[00:02:32] That's true.

[00:02:33] Lady Vengeance.

[00:02:34] Right.

[00:02:35] Which one?

[00:02:36] Another one of the great titles goes writer spirit of vengeance.

[00:02:38] Okay.

[00:02:39] Uh, it's about it.

[00:02:41] There's a cage movie called vengeance, a love story that I have not seen.

[00:02:45] Looks like there's a kickboxer sequel.

[00:02:50] Kickboxer.

[00:02:51] Like a sequel with like Vendamm and like a small role called kickboxer vengeance.

[00:02:55] And then of course they forgot about furry vengeance for revenge.

[00:02:59] Academy award winner running Fraser.

[00:03:02] Shall you see for revenge?

[00:03:03] I have not seen for revenge.

[00:03:05] I have seen the kickboxer event.

[00:03:07] Oh, it's about to say that.

[00:03:08] That seems like what you're missing.

[00:03:10] How is kickboxer vengeance David, but he says in it.

[00:03:14] Yeah, it's not awesome.

[00:03:16] But, but seeing Vendamm pop back up in this series because you know they did it after

[00:03:21] afterward they did the original kickboxer which ruled.

[00:03:24] Yes.

[00:03:25] And it did kickboxer kickboxer two with Sasha and that one starts with them killing Vendamm,

[00:03:32] but you don't you never see him.

[00:03:33] They're just like, oh he's dead.

[00:03:34] Here's his brother, his other brother or whatever it is.

[00:03:37] But kickboxer vengeance with Batista and so you know, it's not great.

[00:03:41] So wait, in kickboxer, excuse me, in kickboxer vengeance, Jean Claude Vendamm returns as

[00:03:47] the brother of his character from the original film who dies in the second film.

[00:03:52] Yeah, and in kickboxer Vendamm's when he pops up, he's not playing his original character.

[00:03:57] His original character, Kurt Sloan dies at the start at the start of the second one.

[00:04:04] So when he shows up here, he plays a different master, Doran or something.

[00:04:10] Directed by John Stockwell.

[00:04:14] Who's that?

[00:04:16] John Stockwell is of course, Lee and Christine.

[00:04:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:04:20] He's just a jockie friend of Christine.

[00:04:21] Oh, yeah, we've talked about this.

[00:04:24] But he directed into the blue.

[00:04:25] He directed Toresta.

[00:04:26] Right.

[00:04:27] He went.

[00:04:28] He went on to be like a somewhat interesting mid-budgety movie director.

[00:04:33] Now he's more of a director video like you made a movie about CLT six.

[00:04:38] He made a incredibly fastened conversation.

[00:04:41] I agree.

[00:04:42] I think this is like really fertile.

[00:04:43] He made a lot of Gina Karano movies.

[00:04:45] And now it's a bit of a myth.

[00:04:47] That's 10 years ago.

[00:04:50] I was also just like Sasha Mitchell was the new kickboxer for a while, right?

[00:04:57] And then it went to Mark DeCascos.

[00:04:59] Is that his name, that guy?

[00:05:01] The rules.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:03] Who's pretty fun.

[00:05:04] He's awesome.

[00:05:05] And Albert Pune did a couple of the kickboxer sequels, that guy, you know.

[00:05:08] But Tees does got like a little kind of like a topper of dreads in that movie, right?

[00:05:14] And kickboxer vengeance.

[00:05:15] He's got a little like kind of dread topper top the skull.

[00:05:19] Am I misremembering this?

[00:05:20] I think you're remembering this.

[00:05:23] You haven't seen this film shortly.

[00:05:26] The poster, the trailer.

[00:05:27] What I remember is seeing the first Guardians of the Galaxy.

[00:05:32] Oh yeah.

[00:05:33] He does.

[00:05:34] Very known.

[00:05:35] It's a bad look.

[00:05:36] It's not a very good look.

[00:05:37] Yeah.

[00:05:38] I remember seeing Guardians of the Galaxy.

[00:05:39] I remember you first seeing Guardians of the Galaxy and Tommy Batista rules in this thing

[00:05:42] get ready.

[00:05:43] Right.

[00:05:44] And I was like, you're fucking right.

[00:05:46] This guy's got a major career ahead of him and there's immediate follow up as kickboxer

[00:05:50] vengeance with that little wig.

[00:05:52] And I was like, is my man about to blow this?

[00:05:56] It is.

[00:05:57] It's funny to imagine obviously, diehard was a bigger movie than kickboxer.

[00:06:00] But like where diehard just gets for whatever reason, Willis is like, I don't want to do it.

[00:06:04] Yeah.

[00:06:05] And it just turns into that diehard video series with some guy is like Jim McLean.

[00:06:12] Instead of diehard with a vengeance, 15 years later we get diehard colon vengeance.

[00:06:16] Right.

[00:06:17] Yes.

[00:06:18] Yeah.

[00:06:19] What's this podcast Griffin?

[00:06:21] This is blank check with Griffin and David.

[00:06:22] I'm Griffin.

[00:06:23] I'm David.

[00:06:24] It's a podcast about filmography's directors who have massive success early on in their

[00:06:27] career and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they

[00:06:31] want.

[00:06:32] And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby.

[00:06:36] Yes.

[00:06:37] Sometimes you rebound from a bounce with a clear with a vengeance.

[00:06:42] Right.

[00:06:43] Right, very good.

[00:06:44] And this is a really interesting career movie on top of everything else for for Brucey or

[00:06:49] for everybody involved.

[00:06:50] Almost everyone involved.

[00:06:51] I think this is a movie that I almost look at as a model of like how do study the moves

[00:06:57] people make relative to where they are in their career strategically at this level of

[00:07:01] success in Hollywood?

[00:07:03] Right.

[00:07:04] Like what do you do when you have success?

[00:07:05] How do you build on it?

[00:07:06] How do you recover from a failure?

[00:07:08] How do you cash in on an Oscar?

[00:07:11] Like there's a lot of that happening in this movie.

[00:07:14] Talk about the film's John McTeehranon.

[00:07:16] Yep.

[00:07:17] Today we've gotten to the titular episode.

[00:07:19] That's right.

[00:07:20] A huge, really important deal.

[00:07:22] This is pod hard with a revenge cast.

[00:07:24] Yes.

[00:07:25] And we are discussing die hard with the vengeance.

[00:07:27] Yes.

[00:07:28] His only sequel.

[00:07:30] Yeah.

[00:07:31] Right?

[00:07:32] Like he didn't do any other sequels in his career.

[00:07:33] No, you're right.

[00:07:34] Yeah.

[00:07:35] No, he didn't.

[00:07:36] He wrote his own Thomas Crown sequel script in prison.

[00:07:40] Yeah, did you know that, Shay?

[00:07:42] Well, it's actually in a second I promise.

[00:07:44] John McTeehranon when he was in prison wrote a Thomas Crown affair sequel just by himself.

[00:07:49] I read that one time.

[00:07:50] Yes.

[00:07:51] I would like to see that.

[00:07:52] I would very much.

[00:07:53] I wish he had filmed it in prison.

[00:07:55] It's called Thomas Crown of the Missing Aynus.

[00:07:57] Yeah.

[00:07:58] Sure.

[00:07:59] Yeah, he should have done that.

[00:08:00] Should've gotten everyone together.

[00:08:01] You know, there's some Netflix show that's Pierce-Barrows and then just like the world's

[00:08:05] greatest heist.

[00:08:07] I was going through streaming you eye the other day.

[00:08:11] There's some show that's Pierce-Barrows and like, how to steal things.

[00:08:14] It's called The Outlaws.

[00:08:16] No, that's the Adam Divine movie.

[00:08:19] I'm so sorry.

[00:08:20] I googled Pierce-Barrows and Netflix show and that came out.

[00:08:24] That's literally about bank robbers.

[00:08:26] So I was...

[00:08:27] That's a silly comedy.

[00:08:28] It's got Adam Divine and Ellen Barkin and Nina Dobrev.

[00:08:32] That's what if...

[00:08:33] This show is called Greatest Heists with Pierce-Barrows and then I'm sorry, it's on Hulu.

[00:08:38] Apparently, it was a history channel show.

[00:08:40] Oh, but it's just him being like, I'm Pierce-Barrows and now I see.

[00:08:45] Right, okay.

[00:08:46] Welcome to another heist.

[00:08:48] It's like Jonathan Frakes telling you about mysteries.

[00:08:51] Yes.

[00:08:52] I just like that he's leaning into the like, I guess heist is my...

[00:08:56] That feels very...

[00:08:57] I don't want to just be known as James Bond.

[00:08:58] I won't host an espionage history channel show.

[00:09:02] But I like Thomas Crown.

[00:09:04] I'll lean into my heist shit.

[00:09:06] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:09:07] I mean, I don't know if the next time we're going to ever talk about Pierce-Barrows and

[00:09:11] then so let's get it in now, I guess.

[00:09:13] Right?

[00:09:14] We've basically done...

[00:09:15] Well, we'll do Mama Me on one day.

[00:09:16] Yeah, what's the makes the third one?

[00:09:18] We've done a crazy Pierce run.

[00:09:20] How do you feel about Pierce-Barrows and shit?

[00:09:22] Well, introduce our guest.

[00:09:23] Our guest is Chase Serrano.

[00:09:25] Long overdue on the show.

[00:09:26] Here he is.

[00:09:28] Next of...

[00:09:29] Well, so many things.

[00:09:31] Wait, what is your...

[00:09:32] Six trophies?

[00:09:33] Four trophies?

[00:09:34] How many trophies?

[00:09:35] Six trophies.

[00:09:36] Six trophies.

[00:09:37] It's an MBA podcast that I do with Jason Concepts.

[00:09:40] Well, I'm going to read you Wednesday.

[00:09:41] It's a past and future guest, Jason.

[00:09:43] Primo on Amazon Freevy.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:46] Yeah, stream Primo.

[00:09:50] And you know, text from Dwight Howard.

[00:09:52] That's...

[00:09:53] I will always just think of text from Dwight Howard.

[00:09:55] Shay.

[00:09:56] I don't know if you remember.

[00:09:57] I remember those, yeah.

[00:09:58] That was one of the first things I did.

[00:10:00] It started as text from Greg Popovich.

[00:10:03] Right.

[00:10:04] And then it just became...

[00:10:05] I'm just going to do text from various MBA people.

[00:10:07] But like you do, it was a lot of...

[00:10:09] That was good.

[00:10:10] That was a lot of good while ago.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:12] I mean, what was this like 10 years ago?

[00:10:13] This was a grant line thing that just popped up.

[00:10:15] And I was like, who is Chase Serrano?

[00:10:17] These are fucking funny.

[00:10:18] I just remember that.

[00:10:20] I was very surprised at how well those did.

[00:10:23] How much people mentioned it.

[00:10:25] Even still to this day, which is great.

[00:10:27] You're very good.

[00:10:28] You're very good, Shay.

[00:10:29] Thank you for joining us.

[00:10:30] Do you like Pierce Brosnan?

[00:10:31] You must.

[00:10:32] I love Pierce Brosnan.

[00:10:34] He's great.

[00:10:35] Is Don Chase Bond Thomas Crown Affair?

[00:10:38] Don Chase is fun.

[00:10:39] VHS ball?

[00:10:40] Yes, I have Don Chase.

[00:10:42] I've Don Chase Peak and volcano.

[00:10:44] Give me Pierce and Tommy Lee Jones fighting volcanoes.

[00:10:48] Are you kidding me?

[00:10:49] Come on.

[00:10:50] Just for our listeners, we're recording this over Zoom.

[00:10:52] Shay is sitting in front of an incredible VHS wall.

[00:10:56] Of your VHS collection.

[00:10:57] And you said you had every McTiernan movie on VHS.

[00:11:01] And David said, well, surely not every McTiernan movie.

[00:11:04] And then you pulled down a sealed copy of Basic on VHS.

[00:11:08] Which look like yeah.

[00:11:09] They were building fairly selling video players at a certain point.

[00:11:13] Like, you know, it's near the end, right?

[00:11:15] I mean, this, you know, I love this trivia question.

[00:11:17] It's history violence.

[00:11:18] You know this, right, Shay?

[00:11:19] The history of violence is the last major VHS film.

[00:11:23] The last one.

[00:11:24] The last one.

[00:11:25] They do some like, you know, limited run sort of stuff.

[00:11:28] Right.

[00:11:29] Now they do like, now as like a gimmick or whatever.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:32] Have you all heard?

[00:11:33] I have the movie, Terra Fire on VHS.

[00:11:35] Oh sure.

[00:11:36] Yeah.

[00:11:37] You know, stuff.

[00:11:38] A lot of horror stuff.

[00:11:39] How's the devil got a VHS release?

[00:11:40] I know.

[00:11:41] I haven't found that one yet.

[00:11:42] I have a thing of, I don't want to buy the tapes off the internet because that's not that much fun.

[00:11:50] I like to go hunt form and find them.

[00:11:52] Yeah.

[00:11:53] And so like, yeah, I'll look for stuff for years it feels like and I have not found a history

[00:11:58] of violence yet.

[00:11:59] One day I will though and it's going to be, it's going to be awesome.

[00:12:02] If you're ever up here, I think it's called Magnetic Fest in Connecticut.

[00:12:07] Okay.

[00:12:08] Happens maybe once a year, which is like somewhere, I think it's your new haven.

[00:12:11] Like Alex Ross Perry is always telling me to go like a huge swap meet.

[00:12:16] Yeah.

[00:12:17] Like that they do for VHS.

[00:12:18] Oh that's cool.

[00:12:19] Magnetic Fest, just a cool name.

[00:12:21] Virtual great name.

[00:12:23] Thank you for joining us, Shay.

[00:12:24] Thank you for giving Pierce Brosnan his due but of course he is not involved in this film.

[00:12:29] He has nothing to do with it.

[00:12:30] We have Thomas Crown of fairs coming up but then that's the end of our six months of Pierce

[00:12:35] Brosnan.

[00:12:36] We've been just checking it with Pierce a lot.

[00:12:37] We do a lot of Pierce.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:39] And obviously he's a big McTernan collaborator but so is Bruce Willis.

[00:12:44] Bruce Willis, the star of this film and I guess Sam Jackson.

[00:12:47] Sam Jackson.

[00:12:48] Come back with basic.

[00:12:49] But Bruce Willis, one of my favorite movie stars of all time.

[00:12:54] Absolutely.

[00:12:55] What is your history with Bruce Willis and I guess die hard at McTernan in general?

[00:13:00] Oh man.

[00:13:01] So I think McTernan is one of the two or three greatest action directors we've ever had.

[00:13:07] Hard to agree.

[00:13:08] Yeah, you look at his at his list.

[00:13:11] Predator is in the argument for the greatest action movie that's ever been made.

[00:13:14] Right?

[00:13:15] Sort of like a guitaric ideal shit.

[00:13:17] Right.

[00:13:18] And the one that it's fighting against is die hard.

[00:13:20] Yes.

[00:13:21] And it's like, well directed by the same guy.

[00:13:24] What are we doing here?

[00:13:25] This guy is incredible.

[00:13:27] I'm a big McTernan guy.

[00:13:30] The die hard franchise I think is super wonderful.

[00:13:34] It's gotten a little wacky.

[00:13:35] Yeah.

[00:13:36] I think this one here is like, this might be the second best one.

[00:13:42] I think of all of them.

[00:13:43] Unquestionably in mind.

[00:13:44] Yes.

[00:13:45] There's no work.

[00:13:46] Yeah.

[00:13:47] Die hard, die hard with vengeance.

[00:13:49] And then the one that he did with Justin Long, which was super like, you know, I thought

[00:13:54] it was great.

[00:13:55] You put that third.

[00:13:56] Okay.

[00:13:57] I put that third.

[00:13:58] Justin Long has a bunch of great lines in there.

[00:13:59] They're a funny pairing together.

[00:14:02] They had some success with Bruce and Sam Jackson.

[00:14:04] We'll let him pair him up with a kid who's the opposite of him.

[00:14:08] Is that great bit where he's like, he can't get his door open.

[00:14:12] He's like, there's something wrong with mine.

[00:14:13] Like Bruce just ripped his open and he gets, it's great.

[00:14:16] But yeah, this was the first die hard movie that I saw in the theater, which is, which

[00:14:22] is like, yeah.

[00:14:23] I can't, you know, it was six or seven when the first die hard came out, but this one

[00:14:27] came out.

[00:14:28] That was 14 years old.

[00:14:29] You know, we got to be, we got to be in a theater for this one.

[00:14:32] Let's go.

[00:14:33] It's a good movie to see when you're 14 years old.

[00:14:35] So you don't really rape die hard too.

[00:14:37] That's, it sounds like you're not a big die hard to guy.

[00:14:40] I wasn't a big die hard to guy.

[00:14:41] That's, that's, that's, that's above the one where his son shows up.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:46] You know, you know what I mean?

[00:14:47] Die hard to just fucking isn't funny.

[00:14:51] It's just that's yeah actually just fun.

[00:14:53] It is not that much fun.

[00:14:55] It is not really fun.

[00:14:56] And of course this movie really feels like a movie where they're like, let's not do the

[00:15:01] stuff die hard to did.

[00:15:02] Like let's refocus on like comedy, him being tired.

[00:15:07] The villains not being like evil terrorists, but being like, you know, it's not goofy, but

[00:15:13] always goofy like bank robbers.

[00:15:15] It's like McTurne in returning rolling up his sleeves and being like, let me remind you

[00:15:20] the rest of the guts out of this.

[00:15:22] Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:23] Um, Shay, we, uh, yeah, this will bligh how out of order we've been recording.

[00:15:28] But we did last action hero with, uh, Jason Manzooka's and Paul Sheer and Paul Sheer brought

[00:15:34] up this interview he saw where Bruce Willis said the secret to die hard is new Jersey humor.

[00:15:41] That's the key to die.

[00:15:43] And Sheer was kind of bringing that up like it's sort of like really is that what die hard

[00:15:48] is about, but then we did the first die hard with Kevin Smith, a man who knows from Jersey

[00:15:53] humor true.

[00:15:55] And we watched die hard to film completely devoid of humor.

[00:15:58] Yeah.

[00:15:59] And then I watched this movie start up and like, you know, two minutes in, I'm like, yeah,

[00:16:03] I do kind of think that's the fucking missing element.

[00:16:07] Jersey humor.

[00:16:08] I think it is.

[00:16:09] And I think like if you go like, well, what is Jersey humor?

[00:16:12] What are you trying to find here?

[00:16:13] It's that feeling of like being a little bit outside of the thing, right?

[00:16:18] Yeah.

[00:16:19] I mean, I get off my back.

[00:16:21] I can't leave me alone like a little bit of that too.

[00:16:24] Right Ben?

[00:16:25] Like would you agree with that?

[00:16:27] Yeah.

[00:16:28] Um, people from Jersey have a chip on their shoulder.

[00:16:30] He's got the chip on the shoulder.

[00:16:31] Also the driving with a lot of aggression not to speak ill here.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:36] Do people want me here?

[00:16:37] Well, we're a little bit of, um, you know, a punchline to the rest of the country, especially

[00:16:44] and especially to the Northeast.

[00:16:46] Absolutely.

[00:16:47] And you got to put your dukes up defensively like the Jersey humor comes from a place

[00:16:50] of I'll make the joke before you do probably.

[00:16:53] Yes.

[00:16:54] Self deprecating.

[00:16:55] Right.

[00:16:56] It feels like that's a big McLean thing.

[00:16:58] And we did, we did die hard to on our Patreon.

[00:17:01] And we like, uh, JJ researcher dug up that Bruce on set was just like, I don't want

[00:17:06] to do a funny thing anymore.

[00:17:07] Yeah.

[00:17:08] I got to be serious.

[00:17:09] I'm serious now.

[00:17:10] Where are you going to say shit?

[00:17:11] That's a dire movie.

[00:17:13] No, I was going to say that that feels exactly right.

[00:17:16] I had not seen that interview or heard that interview.

[00:17:19] But immediately as soon as you say that, I started thinking about like at the beginning

[00:17:23] of the movie when they're like, uh, 14 dumb trucks got stolen from Staten Island, 14

[00:17:27] Jesus like somebody started a construction company and then you get, there's like a bunch

[00:17:31] of zippy one line or something.

[00:17:33] No, it's John, John's land lady cleaning his apartment.

[00:17:36] Like there should be like, like a rim shot after a bunch of them are like an audience laughing

[00:17:41] absolutely.

[00:17:42] Right.

[00:17:43] A laugh track in there but it's not there.

[00:17:46] And then it's just the funniest, best like most comfortable comforting thing when they're

[00:17:51] doing it.

[00:17:52] Yeah, give me a bunch of these.

[00:17:53] Give me as many of these as I can get.

[00:17:55] I have to has a bunch of guys.

[00:17:57] It's got your Dennis from the new friend Tom's on paper and then this, I feel like it's

[00:18:02] again, like just the recalibration.

[00:18:03] Like no, no, no, it's going to be like, yeah, these like cops and detectives and city

[00:18:08] guys with mustache as character actors who are all just kind of like, damn, what's the

[00:18:13] McLean doing?

[00:18:14] You know, like you know, like that's what you need.

[00:18:16] You don't really need a lot of aggression.

[00:18:18] No.

[00:18:19] Well, the fascinating thing is like first die hard.

[00:18:21] Larry Brickman, these guys.

[00:18:23] Good cast.

[00:18:24] But at first die hard, it's like 60% McLean playing off of himself, right?

[00:18:29] Like it's the miracle of that movie and why it immediately makes him a movie star is

[00:18:33] like this guy sells funny banter to himself in a room alone.

[00:18:40] Like externalizing internal monologue in a way that is believable and funny and entertaining

[00:18:45] but then we do love his interplay with Groober over the walkie talkies and with Powell and

[00:18:51] all these people.

[00:18:52] But part of it is that it's a long distance banter.

[00:18:54] Then two, you're just like this guy's now pretty confident.

[00:18:57] He doesn't want to make any jokes.

[00:18:59] He's just trying to solve the fucking problem.

[00:19:02] Not as interesting.

[00:19:04] You're right, Jay, that this movie identifies like put him up against one guy like find

[00:19:08] a good kind of screw ball banter.

[00:19:12] And then the next two try to replicate that with Justin Long who I agree is a much better

[00:19:16] fit than Jay Courtney.

[00:19:19] But the movies do have a problem from this point on of like you're not going to fucking

[00:19:24] replicate the power of 95 wheelless and Jackson going at it.

[00:19:30] And not just 95 will listen Jackson going at it, but like these two guys coming right

[00:19:35] off of Pulp Fiction where Bruce's like had a run of flops.

[00:19:40] Pulp Fiction's kind of a swing back in his career.

[00:19:43] Here's him trying to regain like grab back the crown of the action movie like 90s arena.

[00:19:51] And then this is Sam Jack being like, okay, I'm ready.

[00:19:54] Here's my fucking audition to be a major movie star.

[00:19:57] I kind of write this is the movie he knows that is like if I pull this off, I'm above

[00:20:02] the title for the rest of my career.

[00:20:04] I think you're right.

[00:20:06] Like I guess Pulp Fiction is that, but I guess he's not thinking of it when he's making

[00:20:10] Pulp Fiction.

[00:20:11] Whereas this it's like right here you are in diehard three.

[00:20:15] We'll get on to the whole Bruce time story.

[00:20:18] That's the story that like your own at at can Bruce will is said to Sam Jackson like this

[00:20:24] this is going to make you famous diehurt with the vengeance is going to make you a star.

[00:20:28] We can talk about that.

[00:20:30] So Shay and you're absolutely right.

[00:20:32] Shay, you saw this in theaters age 14.

[00:20:36] I assume you were quite satisfied with the experience.

[00:20:39] So I was so happy.

[00:20:41] This is everything that I was looking for in a movie when I was 14 and also everything

[00:20:45] I'm looking for in a movie not rewatched it last night to get ready.

[00:20:49] Sure.

[00:20:50] I had rewatched it a couple of months ago as well like it's a movie that never gets

[00:20:54] tired that never gets old.

[00:20:56] A thing will happen when you're when you watch a movie one time and it's like oh that's

[00:21:00] pretty good.

[00:21:01] And you watch it a second time and it starts to lose its luster right.

[00:21:05] And the jokes become predictable or like you know they're coming so they're less funny

[00:21:10] and the set pieces become less interesting but in this one it starts and as soon as it

[00:21:16] starts you get the explosion and like okay we're off.

[00:21:19] What happens in my head is now I'm excited I know everything that's going to happen but

[00:21:23] I'm excited to get to the point I can't wait till we get to the part when that when he

[00:21:26] says this.

[00:21:27] I can't wait till he shows up with the sign and then the kids are talking with Sam and

[00:21:31] he's like they're like you gotta come see this it's a white guy and he's like I've seen

[00:21:34] one before or whatever like I can't wait until we get like you're excited to get to

[00:21:39] those moments.

[00:21:42] It just it's a wonderful work of art is what this movie is and yeah and the theater that

[00:21:46] first time fucking forget about it man forget about it where did you see it do you remember

[00:21:52] I remember exactly where I saw there's a there's a there's a theater in San Antonio.

[00:21:58] It's on the it's off of the street called Marbock it's a West Lakes movie theaters what

[00:22:03] was called it's still there now I think it has since transitioned to be like a dollar movie

[00:22:07] theater where they show you know the movies that have been out for a while and now that

[00:22:11] they're going to be there yeah but that was like the theater that we would go to is a small

[00:22:16] maybe they maybe had eight screens in there and you would go and we I went with my with

[00:22:21] my dad and my mom and my sisters we like all went as a family to go watch this movie because

[00:22:26] he was a diehard guy too like we had a history with the character I can't wait to see this again.

[00:22:30] And I had not see I saw this before I saw Pulp Fiction so I didn't know anything about yeah

[00:22:36] Samuel L Jackson he had appeared in other stuff but when you're 14 you're not you're not like oh

[00:22:42] that's the seventh lead from from a fresher minister society or right juicer whatever like you

[00:22:48] don't you know I was watching movies like that as a kid so I got to see this guy for the first

[00:22:54] time and he's the funniest person in the movie somehow funnier than then Bruce Willis yeah it

[00:22:59] was it was it was it was like a dynamite had gone off in my hands is what it felt like

[00:23:04] it's funny how Sam Jackson it gets so funny but sort of like a Jeremy Piven thing where like

[00:23:09] he looks older in in Jurassic Park and diehard with the vengeance where he's got like

[00:23:14] the receding hair in the glasses yeah he's like what do you know he's like a little cranky and then

[00:23:18] like a few years later it's like he's fully shaved right he's a hot action guy now like he's so old

[00:23:24] he like always reads like a you know experienced person yes but like in Jurassic Park which is

[00:23:30] probably the first thing I would have seen him in yeah right yes what I'm looking at is like

[00:23:35] yeah he comes up as like kind of like a 48 year old guy who's like my knees this park hurts

[00:23:41] right and then like shaft is four years after this five five years shaft is five years after this

[00:23:46] yes yeah yeah um I uh I wish I wish I had been exactly 14 when this movie came out I do feel like

[00:23:56] that's the perfect age to see this in theaters oh man also could you imagine seeing this fucking thing

[00:24:00] in New York City oh god I wish I'd seen the New York City I was nine years old yeah I didn't

[00:24:07] I was too young to see this in theaters so my story is yeah um Nick Wyman is in this film okay he

[00:24:14] plays Matthias Targa he plays the number two okay the the very large German man who uh is he

[00:24:20] also Carl whose car I'm saying this gruber also has a carol in his squad both both yes he does

[00:24:29] but no no that's not go Targa okay I'm sorry but he's the guy who's like who thinks they are doing

[00:24:35] yes you know blowing up gold for like economic reasons and then get shot in the sort of

[00:24:41] surprise stories right maybe think they got some political stance right the gruber's like no actually

[00:24:44] he used the gold for banks I like being rich but so Nick is this like incredibly tall guy yes that's

[00:24:51] why he's in the movie uh he uh is the father of my friend Maddie okay who I grew up with I lived

[00:24:57] in apartment 11 G they lived in apartment 12 I live in that 11 G as well I know we're from

[00:25:01] 12 and so that doesn't impress me I've been there so we shared a babysitter we were very little

[00:25:08] and um they moved to the suburbs when I was a kid but like Nick is mostly a theater actor okay he

[00:25:14] was the president of aqua's equity he's like a sort of a beloved Broadway guy like he was in

[00:25:19] phantom for years he's a great singer he was in laymiz but because he's also this like kind of

[00:25:24] absolute unit yes he shows up especially in the 90s and movies sometimes it's like you know

[00:25:30] the enforcers like yeah guys so Nick we should I should like interview him we should like have him on

[00:25:37] I should figure something out private parts he's in a zillion things he's in a lot of stuff he's

[00:25:43] and he's a you know a great story guy you know he's done it all right I remember it was I was at

[00:25:49] Maddie's birthday or something some kind of party Nick had just come back from making this movie

[00:25:56] okay and his brother was a big like he was there too it's like a big movie nerd and Nick brought him

[00:26:01] I believe a gold bar or like I brought from the set yeah as a kid yeah and I didn't I knew

[00:26:08] what diehard was maybe but I never seen it but I knew this was a big deal you know what a shorthand

[00:26:13] for the biggest kind of movie the most Hollywood type of movie someone and it's like and also just

[00:26:19] like one of those grown-up movies where it's just guns yeah just like guys and things explode

[00:26:26] man this time like a character actor in the 90s to say like he's playing a bad guy in the

[00:26:32] next diehard movie is equivalent to being like he's playing a bad guy in the next Marvel movie

[00:26:36] that's kind of cool you're like it immediately evokes something even though like his role in this

[00:26:41] movie is just to be like McLeod I mean you know um not McLeod who's you know uh Groove it just kill

[00:26:46] them like stop you know it's fun job yeah anyway so that I don't know when I saw I saw it on TV

[00:26:55] right like all these movies I was it I was a kid you you longed this on letterbox you gave it four

[00:27:01] stars four and a half uh you called it municipal masterpiece which is you fucking nailed it on that one

[00:27:08] that's perfect but then in the comments a lot of people are saying like yes I'm excited to hear

[00:27:13] you guys fucking defend this movie not defend but like saying that when it came out it got kind of

[00:27:18] mixed reviews I think it people said better than the second one but like it was not treated as

[00:27:24] triumphantly as the first one but I think there was also at this point major critical fatigue towards

[00:27:28] action yes right this is like I mean this is the kind of shit that last action hero is trying to

[00:27:34] call out sure right um but uh someone in the comments was like I hope you guys can get into like

[00:27:42] when did the reputation of this movie change from being that's a fun blockbuster too that's almost

[00:27:47] the platonic ideal of a blockbuster right and I think the answer is this is a movie that like

[00:27:53] gained two stars in the public perception from TNT yeah 100 percent this is yes like this is a movie

[00:28:00] I watched pieces of on TNT so many times before I finally watched the full thing it felt like TNT

[00:28:05] for five years was TNT with Avengers that was 50 percent of their programming and this is a movie

[00:28:12] to what you're saying Shay like this movie sets up everything in the first 10 minutes okay I cannot

[00:28:20] believe how fast this fucking movie operates we're like it's awesome two minutes in you're in the

[00:28:25] back of the van with McLean five six minutes in Sam Jack is introduced we've heard Gruber on the

[00:28:32] phone under 10 minutes they've teamed up and they're off to the races this is the kind of movie

[00:28:37] where if you're watching something else and this comes on you can't turn it off there's no boring

[00:28:42] part and as you said Shay you're sitting there going like oh fuck and the car chase is coming up in

[00:28:47] 10 minutes mm-hmm I got to cancel my plans so this is a movie you just watched 10 times on television

[00:28:55] did you know that die hard I live live for your die hard was called die hard 4.0 in Britain I do

[00:29:00] know that because Britain's Britain don't understand I guess New Hampshire state that was the

[00:29:05] development title yeah great development title because I think I think you're right Griff I think

[00:29:10] this is but I also do think this is a movie where it's like people like Shay yes and other

[00:29:15] teenagers and young adults young people saw it and we're like no that was great yeah and the critics

[00:29:20] were kind of like oh another die hard with big explosions like you don't fool me yeah but then like

[00:29:26] just as people just got a little older they're like no no no no die hard on the mountain like

[00:29:30] that's a big one yeah and I think 4.5 also make this one look better like it's so much that's true

[00:29:36] this the fact that the two kind of perfect die hard movies are both made by McTiernan yeah

[00:29:43] and that you have three other attempts to mix success yeah of trying to replicate the formula

[00:29:48] I don't know why I can't speak today really underlines like there was something this guy got

[00:29:54] and it also has a lot to do with like Bruce commitment levels it helps that this is once again

[00:30:00] Bruce in a moment where he sort of got something to prove Bruce Bruce trying off of um

[00:30:08] Paul fiction but you have to remember this movie starts filming like a couple months after

[00:30:13] Pulp Fiction premieres it can right right sure like the this film is coming out

[00:30:19] in the months following Pulp Fiction's Oscar season yes they're running it they're rolling

[00:30:26] into this film right as Pulp Fiction is like getting off the ground they're rolling into making it

[00:30:32] yeah yeah yeah yeah no one knows Pulp Fiction's gonna be as big of a hit they know it's a good movie

[00:30:37] right they know it's like boosted Sam Jack and they know it's regain some legitimacy for Bruce

[00:30:42] right but he does have north and color of night in 94 both of which are I mean north it's a small role

[00:30:48] but yeah it's come off of Hudson Hawk like yeah it's a bad run and even when Pulp Fiction is big

[00:30:55] it's like okay now you have to go back and like I mean this is the magic of this movie is

[00:31:00] Sam Jack's like I'm getting my shot at movie immortality and Bruce is like I need to remind people

[00:31:05] I'm a movie star and then as they're working on it Pulp Fiction's exploding and so this turns into

[00:31:11] a victory lap for both of them but with the energy of I want to like hold on to what I have right

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[00:34:21] quickly if you don't mind let me just do something. Well let me give you a little context please

[00:34:36] in February 1993 Hollywood pictures the great Hollywood pictures paid half a million dollars

[00:34:42] for a movie called a movie scoop called smoke and mirrors uh-huh which was about a sort of

[00:34:48] Houdini S. Guy who goes to Morocco to expose a religious shaman who is provoking attacks on French

[00:34:57] colonial's I see they want McTiernan to make this it's about the guy who Houdini took his name from

[00:35:04] sounds really silly I agree um then McTiernan doesn't want to do that but he gets attached to a

[00:35:10] movie called bitter root a gene hackman Brad Pitt Western about an 1870s like tribal war

[00:35:19] Pitt drops out and is replaced with Keanu and so McTiernan's like forget it uh he also develops

[00:35:28] an adaptation of master and commander around this time yeah sort of interesting um and he also

[00:35:34] thinks about making captain blood a remake of the arrow Flynn movie with maybe Arnie or Alec Baldwin

[00:35:41] and that sets him up with Jonathan Hensley who writes this movie sort of who wrote no who really

[00:35:49] wrote this script yes yes yes right called Simon says okay so that's what McTiernan's up to die hard

[00:35:56] what's up with die hard die hard did well yeah die hard too did even better so let's make die hard

[00:36:03] three what do you do Griff well first movies are building yeah second movies uh airport their first

[00:36:10] thought you got to put them on a boat stupid is I mean it's gotta go on a fucking boat they literally

[00:36:15] were like we have to do a cruise liner movie yeah they write a script they find a script sorry called

[00:36:21] trouble shooter right that is you know basically kind of like the Poseidon adventure with like action

[00:36:28] yeah and they like try to redo it and then like people are just like this is just under siege

[00:36:33] that's just came out right everyone is doing die hard with a blank because you question like why

[00:36:38] did take five years between die hard two and die hard with avengeants when die hard two was a bigger

[00:36:44] hit than the first die hard like there was momentum there but there's so many pseudo die

[00:36:48] hearts in theaters yes and there's this like you know deeply unverified i need to be trivial list of

[00:36:53] like 30 screenplays that got sold between 1990 and 1995 right that were all pitched as versions of

[00:37:00] die hard on a blank that studios were buying for like half a million dollars a million dollars

[00:37:06] and it's like die hard on a sandstorm die hard in a tank like whatever it is and all of them a lot

[00:37:12] of it was like every studio wanted their version of that so they would buy it just take it off the map

[00:37:17] right and try to attach their own start to it but also fox would buy a lot of these scripts because

[00:37:22] they basically were like well maybe we can turn this into a proper die hard right so they keep

[00:37:28] trying things there was a sort of die hard i mean like certain ideas for die hard three end up in speed

[00:37:35] there's the erroneous myth that the original die hard on a cruise ship script turned into crew

[00:37:42] a speed two cruise control which is not true according to mcturnen it is true really yes according

[00:37:48] to mcturnen elements of troubleshooter end up in speed two cruise control okay he says the

[00:37:54] studio use some of that material mainly like it ending with the boat crashing right over the

[00:38:01] bond takes full credit for that but i know what's it moving turning on the bond right have you seen

[00:38:06] speed of course you've seen speed two cruise control shea i assume you do not like speed two cruise

[00:38:11] i don't i don't like it but i own it of course you are exactly it is one of those things that's such

[00:38:18] and just like probably john mcclean on it you know cruise ship would have been as well yeah

[00:38:23] such a misread of what's exciting they don't move fast no so that like we're like the idea that it was

[00:38:32] about a boat that was moving too fast like fundamentally you just cannot make a cruise ship look

[00:38:37] like it's moving fast may i play devil's advocate please yes cruise speed two cruise control is a

[00:38:45] horrendous idea because yeah you got speed in the title the first movie is all about this thing

[00:38:50] can't stop moving here's a thing that moves slowly and can't turn right yeah i understand the line

[00:38:56] of thinking that gets you to die hard on a cruise ship because a part of it was it was supposed

[00:39:00] to be like holly and john go on vacation finally a vacation we won't bother by anybody right yeah

[00:39:09] and i think you would have gotten into like how is this happening yet again territories

[00:39:14] that would have gotten old but you understand i'm trying to recreate the contained environment of

[00:39:20] the first movie because even when die hard to is airport airplane it's not the same where it's like

[00:39:26] a cruise ship he can go around multiple levels it's like a building he can't escape but they're boring

[00:39:33] i'm not saying it's a great idea but i get it but like cruise ships are kind of boring you just don't

[00:39:39] get to move fast i'm saying in a die hard movie you don't need to try and the same way and it has

[00:39:43] the same potential of like ensemble cast who are the other people on the ship whatever it would

[00:39:48] just be a warmed over version of the first movie or the second movie yeah um so okay Bruce Willis

[00:39:53] wants to make a die hard three but he does want to be paid 20 million dollars for it he settles

[00:39:58] for 15 i think that's his right um right uh jol silver has been booted off the project because

[00:40:06] willis and silver have split over hudson hawk doing poorly yes uh so andrew vanya

[00:40:14] comes aboard as the producer he of course robber Gordon also got bounced off her yes

[00:40:18] so vanya of course um you know eventually takes over the terminator franchise right now

[00:40:23] i'm now piecing together full circle unifying our two feeds that that's why mcturn was the first

[00:40:29] choice for terminator three right yeah they want shame black to write die hard three yes uh he passes

[00:40:36] uh they bring aboard uh john millius and berry beckermann that doesn't work they threw everyone

[00:40:43] at this they throw the die hard two guys at it that doesn't work um they're also trying to get

[00:40:48] mcturn in back at the same time he's trying to do you know captain blood with hensley and uh

[00:40:55] they are not interested until hensley basically shows him this other script that was like you know

[00:41:03] this could be die hard yes here's a script i have that would make a good die hard which he had

[00:41:10] written as a spec script and then there was a point in time or jol solver was considering trying to

[00:41:15] buy it and retrofit it into lethal weapon three or four right like it was that was the other

[00:41:21] that mean it's the same with all these die hard on a blank spec scripts is guys at this point in time

[00:41:26] were like writing spec scripts that they hoped studios would buy either because they were too similar

[00:41:32] to movies they were making and thus just sit on them preventing when else from making them or

[00:41:37] to rewrite them into sequels to their own films um the script sculpts time and says

[00:41:43] it was actually also toyed with as a lethal weapon sequel that's what i just said very funny

[00:41:47] that's what i just said i was reading this every way i can say it um you sound like a fool now

[00:41:54] and what's the clever thing they do just to fit it right into

[00:41:58] you know die hard what make it hans grover's brother exactly yes make the villain hans grover's brother

[00:42:04] and he's mad at him that's it's hensley has said that the first hour of the movie is basically his

[00:42:10] script as written word for word his original spec script minus just retooling the characters a little

[00:42:18] bit right zoo separately was originally written as like maybe an asian grocer randomly supposedly

[00:42:26] was going to be that's was the other thing yes but this was originally bought by fox it was supposed

[00:42:31] to be a brand-in-lie vehicle uh then they change it to uh hensley changes it to a woman named Linda

[00:42:39] then they change it back uh and to make turn its original idea was like you know like a really

[00:42:47] buttoned up guy yeah which i guess Jackson is sort of doing well he's not really it's the magic

[00:42:53] of the jackson casting is he is more buttoned up than McLean but also he wants to be buttoned up

[00:43:00] and he's got this explosive anger in his got the anger right he can't hold it back but the idea

[00:43:06] I mean like the introduction to this character of just being like he was out of behave right him educating

[00:43:11] did you notice this is the hodge brothers who know oh well yeah eldest hot yeah and

[00:43:16] and Edwin Hodges brother yeah did you did you clock that um say that it's it's out this

[00:43:21] hot just the little one right i'll be watching is he the older one on the rewatch yeah

[00:43:26] all this hodge is one of our finest watchmakers this is a thing i'm obsessed with look at that

[00:43:33] all this hodge builds his own watches that's dope yeah it rules he owns like fucking super rare

[00:43:41] expensive watchmaking equipment and he's like the the youth ambassador for like the New York

[00:43:48] Oracle cultural society that's cool yeah i like when that thing when that thing happens when you

[00:43:54] watch a movie and you see like a per like you sort of all that once realized all of the things

[00:44:00] that this guy has been in yes after after you've seen them a bunch times at it's an adult like this

[00:44:05] happened when i watched invisible man and he's in that yeah and and and he's like great in it right

[00:44:11] is a great uh fight scene and whatever um but then you're like oh wait a second what like

[00:44:16] I feel like I know this guy but i don't know i know this guy and then you're describing yeah oh

[00:44:21] shit he was that's voodoo that's voodoo from Friday night lights like you know what i mean like you

[00:44:25] put all the pieces together and then on the rewatch is that oh my god that's yeah it's like the

[00:44:30] unbreakable handshake where suddenly you see the flashbacks to everything that guy still

[00:44:35] oh my god i think um if we jump i'm gonna jump back a couple of minutes when we're talking about

[00:44:41] the like critical reevaluation of diehard with avenge and yeah i think i think it comes in two stages

[00:44:49] well it comes around around two around two thousand and two two thousand and three when by this point

[00:44:54] action movies had completely trended away from what they were doing in the 80s and 90s and had

[00:44:59] become like we want to be darker and more serious and like they started doing that and you

[00:45:04] and for the first time you started to miss the like mid 90s action movie like you you feel it a little

[00:45:10] bit so you maybe see it then you're like this is actually really fucking good is what's happening at

[00:45:15] one point but then also the you sort of hinted at it earlier but the people who were now the people

[00:45:23] who were saying what's good and what's bad were the people who were teenagers when this came out

[00:45:28] and it's the same thing that we saw happen when the jackass movie came out recently

[00:45:32] yes and the new york times was like oh actually this is very sophisticated and nuanced and great

[00:45:36] and wonderful it's because the person who wrote that was fucking 13 years old when the original one

[00:45:41] was out and that person was saying the exact same thing about how awesome jackass was then but now

[00:45:46] they got a chance to say it to everybody it's I love when like jackass forever is in york times

[00:45:54] critics pick but it also says probably by default the weakest entry in the series and then you're

[00:46:00] like give the past ones you know it's not the same crack but new york times was not fucking signing

[00:46:05] off on the earlier jackass movies look times change diehards become canonical you know great american

[00:46:13] movies and and that's good yes I know I see I am actually now surprised to hear that it did not

[00:46:20] do well with critics it's like mix and it's like it makes I saw a lot of it is obviously much better

[00:46:27] than the second one it is not as good as the first one it's a lot of bomb best a lot of sort of

[00:46:33] backhanded it's fun kind of reviews I mean the second one actually kind of got good reviews is

[00:46:38] the weird thing whatever including for my mom you know what you know what what critics are stupid

[00:46:44] critics are down I'm gonna resign all right so handsley writes the script a famous thing he relates

[00:46:51] I believe in the commentary is that the FBI reads his script and is like how do you know the federal

[00:46:55] reserve is like you know so close to a subway spur like how do you know all this stuff yeah

[00:47:00] he's like I they did a tour they showed me I read too hard and the FBI is like well you really

[00:47:06] shouldn't know that and like this is a little scary that there's like an aqueduct and you know

[00:47:11] that like anyway just a smart fucking idea like yeah make the fucking federal reserve heist movie

[00:47:18] um very good idea I think the better I you know the more big picture version you know the thing

[00:47:24] that's so good it's just like it feels like a dry hard movie and that they are still trapped in a

[00:47:30] location yes it's just New York City yes so it's expansive and it's different but at the same time

[00:47:36] they it does obey die hard logic but the energy we got to do everything in here yes yes

[00:47:43] the energy of him bouncing off of people like New York provides a ton of characters for

[00:47:49] McLean to bounce off of yeah and as yeah Zeus you can understand handsley being like wouldn't

[00:47:54] it be funny if it one guy's like kind of unbuttoned and the other guys buttoned up right even when

[00:48:00] you reach all this is a die hard movie well we'll dig into this but like this was intended for

[00:48:06] Lawrence fishburn once it was retooled as a die hard film yes and you imagine fishburn doing a

[00:48:11] performance probably much closer to boys in the they want they want him to be playing his boys in

[00:48:15] the hood character right yes yeah a guy who would probably explode far less often than Jackson's Zeus does

[00:48:23] what's interesting about Jackson is that he's trying hard to not explode right that he's trying

[00:48:28] to be like McLean is like stupid McLean is like impulsive I'm thoughtful but he gets irritated so

[00:48:36] quickly that he gets into the same level of intensity you can tell watching this movie that

[00:48:42] that his character was the like the really smart kid in school yes who is mad that everybody was not

[00:48:49] as smart correct and he put and he plays it so perfectly number one it would have been awesome

[00:48:54] to see fucking furious styles it would have been great but nobody could do bad nobody can do

[00:49:02] what Sam Jackson does here where it's just always simmering even when he's calm it's there when

[00:49:07] he walks up to Bruce the first time and he's like hey how's it going are you having a good day his

[00:49:13] eyes are like I want to fucking strangle you right now all right like why do I have to save your life

[00:49:19] right now is what he's as what he's doing he's so good in this he's so good in this I mean

[00:49:25] I don't know if there's more context to get to but then we can get into the whole fishburn of it

[00:49:29] because the whole dosi dough around fishburn and Jackson is fascinating yeah and it is a lot of like

[00:49:35] after the fact anecdotes often not being related by them but being related by people like

[00:49:39] Tarantino who are like yeah you know like it was gonna be fishburn and then it was jacks yeah

[00:49:43] you know what but like yes we can talk about it look in terms of the writing I should tell you

[00:49:48] yeah though they do start without a finished script mcternan and Willis are kind of mad at each

[00:49:53] other because we've skipped over how they get mcternan back maybe what do you mean which which part

[00:49:59] I mean I thought the point was that they he was working with him sleep well what is there

[00:50:05] something I forgot here what's just make ternan coming back to do the third movie in and of

[00:50:10] itself isn't a given it's not a given but it's basically just like he reads that script and

[00:50:15] likes it sure and that sort of brings him aboard look it's unspoken that mcternan needed a win

[00:50:22] yeah he's not acknowledging that but obviously he did all his other projects that fall in a part

[00:50:27] and he's captain blood or whatever you know so I mean I'm also sure that some you know money was paid

[00:50:35] actually I hope everyone made a nice salary but they do start shooting without a script Willis and

[00:50:41] mcternan are biting each other's heads off apparently Jonathan Hensley has been brought into

[00:50:45] right jumanji so he now can't work on this they bring in de susa but he doesn't do much they bring

[00:50:52] in William Wischer a Terminator 2 guy and he is basically like my job was literally just keeping

[00:50:59] ahead of continuity sure I was like rewriting dialogue and doing fun stuff but like because they

[00:51:04] were shooting I just had to be like two weeks ahead of everybody fixing the script and sounds fairly

[00:51:12] stressful and interesting the thing that bound mcternan frustrates mcternan to this day is he doesn't

[00:51:23] that the ending is just like a helicopter crashes yeah he thinks like they they never figured out

[00:51:29] like a really good finale for irons is yes did you watch either of you watch the I have seen it in

[00:51:36] the past the alternate ending I haven't I didn't watch it this time but what we'll get to that so

[00:51:41] because the ending is a little it's fine yes but it's kind of like just you see a helicopter crash

[00:51:47] you don't even really see irons like yeah go or anything like that and that's that's to mcternan

[00:51:53] that's like we just didn't have a script like and if we had had a finished script we might have

[00:51:57] had a better ending so the way tarantino relays the story of of the casting of Zeus here we go yes

[00:52:05] is they decide okay we're gonna make the Zeus character a black man around the same age as john

[00:52:11] McLean and at that point there like who's the guy who would be right for this Lawrence fishburn

[00:52:16] fishburn was kind of on an upswing yeah this is postboys in the hood but they're also like

[00:52:22] you need a guy you can hold his own against Bruce but he can't like over shadow Bruce yeah

[00:52:28] so they're like well Morgan Freeman's two old Denzel's too big fishburns probably at the exact

[00:52:33] right point um tarantino had originally wanted fishburn to play jewels uh-huh right yes that

[00:52:42] that's the uh right in pulp fiction fishburn was the first choice right off of like king of

[00:52:46] New Yorker would have right like yeah loved it and uh fishburns reps were like you cannot play a

[00:52:53] supporting part again yeah you need to be above the title guy you're at a full-compoint in your career

[00:53:00] yeah if you don't level up to being the guy on the poster you're gonna be stuck playing number

[00:53:05] two number three number four for the rest of your career right so they told him to turn down

[00:53:09] pulp fiction which then goes to Samuel Jackson right so now they're tooling die hard three four

[00:53:16] Lawrence fishburn yes and Lawrence fishburns they also briefly considered Angela Bassett when

[00:53:21] it was a lady character which is cool to think about but then it goes back to you know fishburn

[00:53:27] coming off of an Oscar nomination himself obviously so his reps are like we fucking nailed it look

[00:53:32] at this we played it out perfectly he got an Oscar nom for best lead actor yeah a lead nom and now

[00:53:38] the die hard movie they need to cast him because they've tailored this part for him so they start

[00:53:45] playing hardball on salary yes and they're like he's not doing it for less than a million

[00:53:49] and they're dragging their heels on it uh production but his reps are like they can't go to fucking

[00:53:55] anyone else this is Hollywood in the 90s there are five bankable black actors it's true in their eyes

[00:54:01] they don't maybe see the Samuel Jackson ascendancy they don't coming so the story is that

[00:54:08] Vaughnia's at con and he goes to the premiere of pulp fiction and he sees Sam Jackson he sees

[00:54:15] the way the crowd responds and he's like well fucking this guy yeah this guy we can get for a fraction

[00:54:21] of what I need good and he's about to explode right like you go you imagine seeing that movie a

[00:54:27] cannon being like I can see the future a year from now his name on the poster is gonna mean a lot

[00:54:32] right and we could get him for a fucking bargain so then they like snipe it out from under

[00:54:36] uh

[00:54:38] um

[00:54:39] uh Lawrence fishburns nose right Lawrence fishburns sous them

[00:54:44] there's several years of litigation fishburn did get some

[00:54:48] penalty payment yeah because I guess they're some promises reneged on a verbal

[00:54:52] agreement right right but the thing turntino gives himself credit for is that he says basically

[00:54:57] matrix he never would have played more fias if he had played Zeus

[00:55:01] right it's a source person to maybe take the next weird interesting offer and to be the number

[00:55:08] two in that movie right which is which is fine like it all worked out fine but I just always

[00:55:15] content that the greatest performance is especially kind of like movie star lightning and a bottle

[00:55:19] performance has come from people who have something to prove um and you think that's like

[00:55:26] Samuel Jackson is sort of like I need to prove my blockbuster bonafide yeah yes yeah yeah make

[00:55:32] sense right because it's like I mean we live in the reality where he pulled it off they also managed

[00:55:38] to get an Oscar winner to play the villain yes like they have a lot of blocks really cool yeah

[00:55:45] yeah with the with the cat like Jeremy Arn just like four or five years removed from his Oscar like

[00:55:50] so this is what I'm talking about this being an interesting career movie you look at what is the

[00:55:55] transformative power of doing some dance with Oscar sure you're like Jeremy Irons wins best lead

[00:56:00] actor in 1990 that means in 1995 he probably can get paid a couple million dollars to play

[00:56:06] the villain in the top tier action film yeah right that's like the clear bump of that

[00:56:12] Jeremy Irons you can go off you could do whatever drama as you want but Fox will always call

[00:56:15] you to be like do you want to play some Eastern European guy right well here's a quick pay check

[00:56:20] yeah right right then Graham Graham Graham green is the kind of bump of like you you were never

[00:56:27] going to win the Oscar sure he's nominated for dance with walls obviously but five years later

[00:56:33] Fox can be like if we pay a little extra that gives the movie a little class right right

[00:56:38] this guy will just be like a steady hand giving that role a little more than it needs

[00:56:43] yeah and it's probably the highest paying role he's ever gotten in his career relative to what

[00:56:48] he does in the film but it's just like super solid and then Sam Jack is the like you've just

[00:56:53] exploded off an Oscar nomination we're test running you to be a movie star

[00:56:59] should also point out part from Nick Wyman they also cast Sam Phillips musician to play the female

[00:57:05] henchman who is never speak never speaks um she is best known for doing the like Gilmore Girls

[00:57:13] music if you ever sing Gilmore Girls yeah that's her that's she's a musician it'd be funny if she

[00:57:19] that's what she did in this movie yeah they shot the film in New York um what I would say you can tell

[00:57:29] we're turning insisted we're not fucking around we're not like doing Toronto or whatever

[00:57:34] they do two and a half months in New York uh they shoot the subway sequence mostly obviously

[00:57:40] on sets like that's a set they built sure it's not the typical like well let's like put some signs

[00:57:47] up they're like no we need to explode a subway car so like we're gonna build a whole giant set

[00:57:53] um and uh they um take credit for moving sequel titles away from numbers

[00:58:03] I can't remember what is first Batman Forever is the year after the same year same year

[00:58:10] this is when that is a trend right like no no we're not die hard three we're die hard with

[00:58:15] the vengeance right um I'm trying to think there are like the next karate kid but this little obvious

[00:58:21] let me give you others at the time but like that's a that's a 90s trend yes is that numbers are

[00:58:28] ghosts well star Trek generations right not in the Star Trek set what about a Batman Returns

[00:58:34] yeah that's true that that was really good yeah that's true that's true so that that

[00:58:39] already set some sort of a template obviously simple when does rocky five come out that's

[00:58:43] earlier that's a 90 that's what I was gonna say I feel like the bombing of rocky five must have

[00:58:47] something to do with this where it's like it's starting to look cheap but it's just like

[00:58:51] it's like there's five of these you read like fucking mad Max and parodies and watch us

[00:58:55] and else sketches from that time and all of them do the same joke which is like rocky one million

[00:59:00] they all do the joke of we're never gonna stop making these right the Roman numerals

[00:59:04] just gonna get more right wheel D yes should Roman numerals come back if you numerals they are out

[00:59:10] they need to come back could you imagine if Marvel announced tomorrow captain america roman numeral

[00:59:15] four IV yeah we're dropping our four previous like is that a thing where like some

[00:59:24] you know worldwide calculation was made with like Asian audiences don't know what Roman numerals

[00:59:29] are we're getting them out like I'll tell you what's surprising what's surprising is that John

[00:59:33] Wicke didn't bring the Roman numeral back yes that feels like that's a good call right yeah maybe

[00:59:39] they should do John wicke V yeah next one John Vic hmm did you see that they're just like um we're

[00:59:48] we're gonna reshoot some of ballerina and Chad Stahelski is going to come just kind of like

[00:59:53] really like like help with the oomph of it yeah like the most naked like Len Weissman is

[00:59:59] fired like it's so rude it's fine but yeah it's these things happen I guess but um okay this movie

[01:00:08] let's let's dig into the movie itself yeah and I said just fucking burst out of the gate

[01:00:13] this is like kaboom everything first set up within 10 minutes in a way that is thrilling and not

[01:00:21] only that but funny it is a thing I feel very strongly about that a lot of sequels I've said this

[01:00:27] before in the past but a lot of sequels have this very lazy kind of like look we made the first

[01:00:32] movie people loved it they love this character they love this casting they love this performance

[01:00:37] you bring him back on screen everyone's just gonna be thrilled sure sequels often kind of take for

[01:00:43] granted that you need to reintroduce the character not just for people who didn't see the first

[01:00:48] movie but that like even if we come in and we're excited to see John McLean you need to remind us

[01:00:53] what we like about the guy roll a bit of carpet out for his intro you're right yeah and not only

[01:00:57] that but like show us hey we haven't lost track of who this guy is yeah especially when there's

[01:01:02] something like die hard to where you're like the guys not funny anymore the introduction for him

[01:01:08] in this so fucking perfect now the first thing we see is New York exploding right like it's like

[01:01:14] beep beep hot dog we're like okay I get New York kaboom oh my god a city block is exploded

[01:01:20] we what's the opening song it's a it's not summer in the city what is it it opens with a similar

[01:01:27] kind of whatever yes you see shots of New York you see like sort of dog day afternoon shots

[01:01:31] of New York and then explosion but then okay but then John McLean give me the give me the

[01:01:38] intro which is here he is looking like shit yes but looking like shit in the hottest way possible

[01:01:44] it is summer in the city thank you I just had to check those out yeah the perfect kind of Bruce

[01:01:50] Willis like no man has ever looked better and worse at the same time what do you think of his look

[01:01:55] in this movie shit like the the just the just the tiredness just like the dirt and bags under his

[01:02:01] eyes the hungover like the authentic hungover look the perfect receding hairline yeah that's exactly

[01:02:07] what it is it's weird to think like if you see Bruce Willis walking a red carpet and he's all

[01:02:14] done up yeah normally like that's where they're supposed to look the best but he always has looked

[01:02:18] the best a little just a little bit beat up like if he like if he just finished rolling down a hill

[01:02:23] in a fight and then stood up you're like that's the hottest guy I've ever seen and that's what they

[01:02:28] that's what they present to you on the platter here here you go here you go eat it up people 100%

[01:02:34] Jay Kevin Smith told us that when he was working on cop out Bruce Willis broke down the angles of his

[01:02:41] face and what looked the best on each side where he was like blood sweat dirt right I could believe

[01:02:47] that he just he fucking knows it and it's like to start the movie off with he's hungover yes

[01:02:53] is such a simple choice this kind of is the bridges spies of the 90s except in bridges spies he has

[01:02:59] the cold but in this he just keeps reminding us every 15 minutes like I am hungover I'm hungover

[01:03:05] this isn't right have you been drinking not since this morning pretty great line here's what's

[01:03:15] smart about it too first movie it's a total accident this guy is there yeah right yeah you're

[01:03:21] like who what a bizarre series of circumstances that lead to this guy being isolated in this building

[01:03:27] everything's resting on his shoulders right second movie you get to the problem of why does

[01:03:32] this keep happening to this guy so they just have to acknowledge it like oh my god I can't believe

[01:03:36] this is happening yeah well right which you're like you can't do that a third time you can't do the

[01:03:40] cruise ship it's gonna fucking piss everybody off you can go hey this bad guy asked for you by name

[01:03:46] that need to be here is all you need and what you need on top of that is the circumstantial I really

[01:03:52] don't want to be here and I was so convinced I wasn't going to need to be here that I was drinking

[01:03:57] all last night it's a sneaky trick that they do in this movie two-part thing we're number one

[01:04:04] they let you they let the audience feel like you're a little bit smart because he shows up and

[01:04:08] he's all beat up and whatever and you don't watch him get that way you just you just drop in and

[01:04:13] he's that way already and you can rethink him in the back of this truck yeah you put the pieces

[01:04:18] together in your head already of what his day before it looked like and you're like yep cool I

[01:04:22] get it and that automatically you're invested in who this guy is I feel I feel great about it but also

[01:04:27] to your point you're you're making here now is they invert like all of the stuff we loved about

[01:04:32] the original diehard they just invert it and sometimes overtly sometimes subtly but like

[01:04:39] they'll be like oh he ends the other movie with a gun taped to his back let's do that at the

[01:04:43] beginning cool yeah the the other movie he's trapped in a little in a small confined space let's

[01:04:48] put him in the expanse of the entire city cool got it the other one the bad guy gets dropped from

[01:04:54] a pie like they they do that but now we're gonna be not now Bruce is underneath them and the bad

[01:04:59] guys up here and what they just it's a bunch of little stuff like that in there that that like

[01:05:04] scratches that nostalgic it's in your brain that you want to scratch without being yeah yeah

[01:05:10] cheaper repetitive yeah it's just smart and slick agreed I mean this is like an incredibly

[01:05:17] smart screenplay I would say the first hour of this movie in my opinion is an 11 out of 10

[01:05:23] oh so good it is like transcendent ship I think I agree with this take which is yes maybe the

[01:05:29] back half of it is a little I still find it hatch here incredibly fun but yes it does and hearing

[01:05:34] Hensley say the first hours basically exactly what was in my original drafts the second half

[01:05:40] I do feel what you're saying of them trying to stay ahead of continuity it remains fun the entire

[01:05:44] time the first hour I'm rewatching this last night and I'm like why why isn't this movie

[01:05:50] effort best pictures this better than die hard like is this it like I do think the second you

[01:05:56] know the back the last act of the movie where you're not in New York as well kind of hurts that

[01:06:00] hurts you really miss New York like now we're just on a boat okay like you know yeah first 10 minutes

[01:06:06] we have like we have the police briefing yes we have the introduction of all the elements right

[01:06:14] Kevin Chamberlain playing the part I wish I could play the bomb disposal guy but the guy who's

[01:06:19] a little too he's such an incredible Wikipedia this guy's the fucking best look at him who is

[01:06:24] yeah look at this guy I saw him he's like a phenomenal Broadway big Broadway guy this thing this is in

[01:06:31] New York really same with Nick why they're casting a lot of these theater guys right like you know

[01:06:35] the other guy is sussical he was a caster I saw him play fucking Horton he was Horton sussical he was

[01:06:41] here in who's my man I believe he got like a Tony like a well-dressed people are like

[01:06:48] booing sussical and even still they're like you got to admit this guy's in the pocket he's a three-time

[01:06:53] Tony nominee I watched this guy in real time sing dance here who's lay eggs

[01:07:02] uh but okay I'm sure Kevin Chamberlain is like the bomb nerd this is the thing right you're like all

[01:07:09] the characterization's and this are so good and it speaks to the McTeehran and thing in the same way

[01:07:13] like this is the fucking Julia guy where it's like no every character should be interesting higher

[01:07:18] and interesting actor and give them a real thing to play Kevin Chamberlain's game of he loves

[01:07:25] bombs so much right he's excited to tell you about this awful destructive bomb correct and will

[01:07:31] demonstrate it for you in an annoying way and he's almost a little self-conscious that he knows

[01:07:36] he shouldn't be smiling right that you shouldn't be this excited about something that has the

[01:07:39] power to kill people but just immediately you're like makes this exposition interesting I'm paying

[01:07:44] attention to this guy explain to me the rules I'm going to need to understand for the rest of the

[01:07:48] movie because I need to understand the relationship between these liquids and the color and all the

[01:07:53] right it's basically right put these two together and they they explode yeah but um he is he's great

[01:08:01] I really think Larry break when it's great he's just got a great mustache obviously uh

[01:08:06] Graham Green is just like a real sort of like reliable blocker granite to have in a scene yes

[01:08:12] I love that none of these guys are in on it like I feel like a cheaper movie then has the twist of

[01:08:17] like turns out like Graham Green is in uh Groober's payroll first time I was like absolutely thought

[01:08:24] that's where they were going with Graham Green because he's like around and it's a big actor yeah

[01:08:28] but it's like no no these guys are like what I call the municipal masterpiece is um you know

[01:08:35] they they all feel it's the 90s thing of just like we're just city workers like

[01:08:40] like you know New York City cops they insist aren't like you know like I have many problems like

[01:08:47] with the NYPD today but the 90s conception pop culture of the NYPD is these like blue collar

[01:08:54] Dennis fronzy guy yeah I mean he's not in this one but also this feeling of like

[01:08:59] wow let's get the kids out of school for this jerk bows it up god I need more coffee

[01:09:04] one of the overarching conflicts of this film is how annoyed New Yorkers are that there's a

[01:09:09] die hard happening around rather than the people in akitomi plaza who are just like oh my god

[01:09:16] how do we fucking make it out of here alive New Yorkers are like I got somewhere to be as they

[01:09:20] pre 9-11 stop die hardening around here right this movie may be under estimate it's like that if

[01:09:25] it's a big building exploded in New York people would not really be going along about with their day

[01:09:31] and then a subway exploded like it's like people would be shut down people would be sent

[01:09:37] to home but as a commuter conceit it's right no it is it's just it just sort of dates the movie

[01:09:42] where it is obviously this movie came out right after the Oklahoma City bombing by mistake and there

[01:09:45] was a lot of fear of like oh is this too close to whatever reality but yeah I also think I mean

[01:09:51] watching this movie knowing that McTan and Sisson actually shooting everything in New York City

[01:09:55] I kept thinking to myself god this sequence must have been so annoying for everyone who worked or

[01:10:01] lived on this block right like this is a movie where you're like them blocking off like 15

[01:10:07] streets yeah to do whatever section of the car chase must have been so annoying to all the locals

[01:10:13] but that's the energy the movie is trying to invoke yes it is which is great which is good

[01:10:21] so you got uh uh

[01:10:24] groopers called it and explosions happened chamberlains figured out the bomb they're all talking through like

[01:10:31] is he crazy is he a terrorist what's what's this guy's gambit we don't know he's asked for McLean

[01:10:38] they brief McLean he's hung over you don't quite understand what's happening he's

[01:10:43] undressing you very quickly set up that he's fucked up his marriage again yes um I think they do

[01:10:49] the right level of that I kind of like you just get the sense that they are in trouble and

[01:10:56] the what that's it why don't you see Holly didn't want to come back yeah in a lot of cases I'd be like

[01:11:02] that's a problem for you these movies are about his marriage to Holly in a lot of ways

[01:11:08] it being set within one day gives them the out plausible that like right she's just at home I know

[01:11:13] he says that they've been on the outs for a while but it's like this is a day when he's just at a low

[01:11:19] point I think it's fine I do think the later movies just kind of being like yeah by the way they got

[01:11:25] divorced I hate that it hurts that those movies more right here it's it's fine that like yeah he

[01:11:31] wise the unabender you kind of have the uh the subconscious thing of like wow he's still not

[01:11:36] back around so he's got to pick up the phone and call her um but yeah by minute nine he is kicked out

[01:11:43] onto the street wearing the sandwich board yes yes and Sam Jack runs into it you get a perfect

[01:11:49] just like one minute introduction at Sam Jack teaching the Hodg twins I'm trying to remember what

[01:11:55] does the sandwich board say in the cable version I believe it says I hate everybody I hate everybody

[01:12:01] or I hate yes I hate everybody yes yes they shot it with nothing on there sure uh because they

[01:12:07] didn't want actual uh actual trouble their own except with him yes uh so it was a blank sandwich board

[01:12:14] that then both the TV version and the theatrical version were CGI'd in later yeah but it's just such a

[01:12:20] perfect like Sam Jack's a little too smart Zeus is a little too smart to get angry about this guy

[01:12:28] because he's just like this is circumstantially so weird what's happening why would this be happening

[01:12:35] he's too smart to just be like hey fuck you think what you're saying on this sandwich board like you

[01:12:42] you big it no he's just like what is what is the matter what is this yeah um I think if

[01:12:50] you're looking at the first 10 minutes of an action movie this is this is what it should look like

[01:12:56] this is what it should feel like because they give you just enough information so that you're caught up

[01:13:00] but not so much information that you're asking questions you know what I mean like when you when

[01:13:05] they started going over the the bomb stuff is a perfect example I don't I couldn't tell you one single

[01:13:09] word that he said but I know if you mix that clear with that red it's fucking over and then they

[01:13:15] pay that off later on when he's sitting in front of the thing and it all starts going together and

[01:13:20] you're like oh fuck it's it's over and then he realizes it's Sir like they just they just

[01:13:25] it was just so well done first 10 minutes here as good as it's ever been a lot of movies like

[01:13:31] this too that are just like let's get all of this out in the first 10 minutes it feels kind of

[01:13:36] breathless and frantic and it's like just let us dump all this on you so then we can have fun

[01:13:42] this manages to also be fun at the same time it's 10 minutes that sets up everything but introduces

[01:13:48] the characters to you in a way that is charming yes it has strokes like by by maintain

[01:13:54] you're fully locked in you're like great so now these two guys just have to run across the city

[01:13:58] and stay one step ahead of this guy who's calling in with weird puzzles and games and requests

[01:14:03] and dares and 40 minutes in the movie we the audience figure out what John will figure out 20 minutes

[01:14:09] later which is like a dollar distraction they're robbing city you don't see Jeremy Irons until minute

[01:14:13] 50 yeah and then when you do see him he looks pretty fucking I just I do want to shout out that Bruce

[01:14:21] you know when he's wearing the sandwich board and Sam L Jackson is like just be crazy at crazy

[01:14:26] basically just does his 12-month-old performance which will come out this year yeah which is great

[01:14:31] like he's just starts to do that character um yeah they get in the cab

[01:14:39] uh they drive down town is this when they drive through the parker is that later that's later

[01:14:45] no first they go they go to the 72nd Street subway station the payphone yes give that great sequence

[01:14:51] with you know watching this movie as a New Yorker I know people love it when we talk about how much

[01:14:56] we love New York on this podcast but you watch a real like shot in New York movie like this and part

[01:15:02] of it is the nostalgia being like oh right that's what that street used to look like all these

[01:15:06] stores have closed down those restaurants are gone right that one corner 72nd with the payphone is

[01:15:11] still grazed with pia and the sleepy is above it's true it looks exactly the same today I believe

[01:15:16] the sleep is opposite or is it it's above it yeah it's above it yeah it's above it there and there

[01:15:21] are still a lot of also like just sketchy looking businesses in all that surrounding buildings this

[01:15:26] is a funny part of town yes and a couple shitty Irish bars still there for whatever

[01:15:30] maladies yeah like it's like the opposite of a business improvement district is in charge of

[01:15:35] stuff like if they just like the business unimprovement district reign supreme there but they give

[01:15:42] them the call that he used to go to that payphone right uh they get there the woman's on the phone

[01:15:48] they try bluffing to him mm-hmm he he mentions the woman they know that grubber has eyes on them now

[01:15:53] although of course they don't always grubber yet no then he throws out the wives riddle which

[01:15:59] is what what's the wives riddle made a man with seven wives and each of them had seven whatever it

[01:16:04] was yeah my number is 555 right okay okay the rest of my phone number is you talk about like yeah

[01:16:12] it's what you said shape like letting the audience feel little smart yeah it's really fun to build an

[01:16:18] action movie around like school yard games it's so great that's a clever idea each wife had seven

[01:16:25] sacks each sack has seven cats season right it's that thing obviously the the gallons of

[01:16:30] waters the most famous puzzle in this but yes the combo of like them being kind of low-fi

[01:16:35] under pressure yes and McLean's attitude like I got damn it I'm hungover and Zeus being like

[01:16:43] I know this I can do this my strength not like nerdy about it but just kind of like no actually

[01:16:50] like if you just show up for a second yeah but but it's like they're all just kind of challenging

[01:16:56] clever enough that the audience leans in like it's not an exposition dump that makes people bored

[01:17:02] you start to go like wait can I solve this before the characters yes can I throw an atomic take

[01:17:08] an atomic take yeah I'm gonna throw an atomic take to interest that in here yes

[01:17:12] a lot a lot of talk about how like Matt Reeves did you know used seven yeah to be in his Batman movie

[01:17:22] okay sure right this is the movie he actually should have studied more story wise oh I like that

[01:17:28] more of a ticking clock element well but also the whole real thing no I know I'm I know but like

[01:17:34] the riddles in the Batman are the more the seven type where they like it's very yes I'm challenging

[01:17:40] you yes right exactly like maybe just a little more like energy and and the real thing dumb like

[01:17:45] you want this kind of thing of like the guy is playing with him for sport you want the ticking clock

[01:17:51] you want real time he's moving from location to location trying to solve the thing even with

[01:17:56] the sort of like catwoman dynamic as like his new partner he just met you know like that movie

[01:18:02] with the exact same vibe and look but studying this script more than the seven script I always go

[01:18:08] back to this because there's so much I love about the Batman but my biggest problem with it is

[01:18:12] I'm like he's such a bad detective yes it takes so long to solve anything and in this movie it's so

[01:18:17] satisfying to every time a new puzzles place before them you watch Sam Jack and Willis solve it

[01:18:23] in real time in three minutes or less you actually watch like it's so much fun to have the action

[01:18:28] movies slow down to have these two guys argue over the water drugs the best yeah and it's all the

[01:18:36] right amount of difficulty you know what I like about the water drugs I always forget with

[01:18:39] the solutions going to be in and every time we're like right it's so simple yes if you just think

[01:18:43] about it for a second but that's I think Hensley said that that was like a real question he had on

[01:18:50] a pop quiz at school that stuck with him for how frustrating it was definitely that vibe yes right

[01:18:56] it's a stupid thing on a test where you like stare at it for 20 minutes it's like the trains leaving

[01:19:00] different times yeah I mean you were you were a teacher shea but you were like you were an English

[01:19:05] teacher right you weren't you weren't making your science science you were a science teacher what are you

[01:19:09] doing shit like this now the closest I ever got to do in anything like this was a give a multiple

[01:19:15] choice test there's 25 questions and every answer was the letter B for every single one

[01:19:22] and some of and you could see some of the kids figured it out some of them got halfway in panic

[01:19:26] like there's no way that I would panic I would not I mean the risk of wait could that be it

[01:19:34] like it yeah it's gonna be all bees like that's the one test I would have done well on

[01:19:41] you're gonna you're gonna have to give me I'm good I'm good at crack and gimmicks I'm not good at

[01:19:46] knowing science yes but yeah the watch that they've do the puzzles in here what's really satisfying

[01:19:54] about when you're rewatching it is is just how fully formed everybody feels yes like this like

[01:20:02] the the sound Jackson one is the most easy example to point out here because he just proves the entire

[01:20:07] movie that he's like a smart dude and they and that's exactly how they introduce you to him but

[01:20:12] by him teaching a lesson and then you see him as you mentioned when he walks up to Bruce Willis

[01:20:19] and he doesn't react the way that that the other people are going to react because he's a

[01:20:24] he's just a one level smarter than everybody else two levels smarter than everywhere when all the

[01:20:28] guys start walking toward him and you're like oh fuck it's gonna it's gonna get bad real quick here

[01:20:33] and then he immediately comes up with the idea of to act crazy when that part happens as a viewer

[01:20:39] you're like all right I feel kind of safe with this guy because he's gonna have the idea that I can't

[01:20:43] think of that quickly and then we just watch him pay it off over and over and over again and it's

[01:20:48] just so good it's so good are the Hodg brothers must be his nephews is that the idea yes there's

[01:20:54] a third act yeah there's a third actor in there who is not a Hodg as well one one there's there's

[01:20:59] like three kids yeah yeah Dexter I think it's right but I feel like that scene sets it up so much

[01:21:04] that he's sort of like imparting on these kids in a way that sort of furious styles ask like you

[01:21:08] need to understand it doesn't matter how smart you are you need to be aware of how you're gonna be

[01:21:12] perceived in society as a black man right yeah there's this thing of like I'm good at all of this

[01:21:19] but also there are certain things systemically against me that I cannot control and McLean on his

[01:21:25] face is like the kind of guy he should hate of course his embodiment of like well and also he

[01:21:30] like blusters it to everything he's literally wearing a bad around his neck like and he's not figured

[01:21:35] out later you know like think for one iota about how anyone else is perceiving him sure true and I

[01:21:41] think part of the the the the lore of sam jackson in this role in particular is it would have been so

[01:21:47] easy for them to serve up a character that's like like like like kind of wormy and squeamish and

[01:21:53] like scared all the time but they established immediately when he's talking to the to the kids

[01:21:59] and they're telling him about Troy who's I got them stealing stealing and selling whatever

[01:22:04] and he tells them not to do it and then they're like do you want us to take it back to him and he's

[01:22:07] like no I'll take it back to him and you know okay like he's not afraid yeah it's just it's such a clever

[01:22:15] trick to play yes he could also of course be like a crisp tucker-esque like a motor mouth side kick

[01:22:24] which has been done a million times in the action the far more stoic version of it yeah

[01:22:31] but real like kind of stiff shirt guy yeah but it's a great pairing it fits the his look

[01:22:37] is incredible yes like it fits the kind of general vibe of like um I mean like falling down is a very

[01:22:46] serious movie coming out of your before that but like the same kind of like the cities just kind

[01:22:51] of hot yeah and everyone's in their shirt sleeves and sweat and they've got their order in class

[01:22:58] I don't got time for this and no one's got time for anything like there's a there's a few other

[01:23:02] movies around this era that have the same vibe with the kind of like the cities just cook and yeah

[01:23:07] it's just baking yes and John McLean is in the middle of that and yes there also happens to be like a

[01:23:12] German pseudo terrorist with bombs right but but you could see just a movie about the two of these guys

[01:23:19] figuring something which for 50 minutes it is just that basically yes I mean I think like minute 45

[01:23:25] is maybe when they brief him and go we think we figured out who the guy is and lay it out

[01:23:32] first 45 45 minutes just them let's say that takes us up to what I think is one of my favorite

[01:23:37] car chases in any movie it is you talk about maternity and being like goat action director this

[01:23:43] thing is fucking astonishing and I don't know why it kind of isn't talked about in conversation

[01:23:49] with like the bullet car chase and the French connection car chase the length of Manhattan that

[01:23:54] it spans yes and how largely corrected is geographically yeah yeah it is it is fucking good this

[01:24:02] movie is just by and large correct on all New York City details which is great but it's just got

[01:24:08] the fun game of them disagreeing what is the best route to take how do you beat the traffic take

[01:24:14] not avenue right which is correct by the way they giving you and almost impossible amount of

[01:24:20] distance right an impossible amount of time yeah and now it's this debate of like how do you cross

[01:24:25] it like a math problem whoever the stunt driver is on this the performance of the car is so funny

[01:24:34] like whenever it cuts to a wide shot you can feel the energy of McLean frantically steering

[01:24:41] like it's not like impressive stunt driving and at the moves are slick what's impressive is that

[01:24:45] it feels wildly out of control it's it's it's later it's not part of this car chase that McLean sees

[01:24:51] the dumb truck and asks him like do we have airbags yeah and some are like so like well you do I don't

[01:24:57] know what yeah like just the car driving off the is great that's the other thing so much of this

[01:25:03] car chase they'll do the wide shots in all the city streets and you're just like this chase spans 45

[01:25:09] blocks or whatever so it's impressive to see they're not faking it he really went to all these locations

[01:25:14] it must have taken like they must have been shooting this car chase across the entire production

[01:25:19] I probably right exactly but no the other thing I was gonna say is they keep cutting to the sort of

[01:25:26] like McLean POV shot of Sam Jack in the passenger seat with the window behind him where you can tell

[01:25:34] like this is real the city streets are actually moving past him in real time yes and Sam Jack is

[01:25:40] reacting in real time he's just sitting shotgun in a car with a stunt driver that is actually going

[01:25:45] through these things and it's like that's all your fucking production value right there is seeing the

[01:25:50] real locations and Sam Jack reacting it's so good it makes a real it makes a real difference

[01:25:58] are you cuz you could tell that's a real car driving down to real street and there's real danger

[01:26:03] involved here yes and it just feel it feels alive is what it feels like it feels alive

[01:26:08] and frenetic and chaotic and like this is a person who doesn't this is not like uh

[01:26:14] like Ryan Gosling and drive where this like that's what he does he's a driver this is just a guy

[01:26:18] who's got to do this thing oh he's bad we gotta get through yeah we gotta get through it

[01:26:22] we gotta hope we're still alive at the end of this it's so much fun he's incredibly bad

[01:26:26] he's confident he is he's got that go for that drive Zeus crazy like why is this guy fucking like

[01:26:34] like this is like the embodiment of white privilege to him at this guy's in a situation does

[01:26:38] whatever the fuck he wants right he's not charmed by it right and then you have your good

[01:26:43] characterization of I'd argue the first moment that McLean kind of wins Zeus over when they're on

[01:26:50] the phone there's some crack he makes to Gruber sure that makes Zeus laugh there's a clean cutaway

[01:26:56] to Zeus laughing where it's like okay I this guy's got some bits I'm a little amused by him but I

[01:27:01] don't really respect him because it's that it's pretty much them it's like okay now go to the

[01:27:05] subway right like that's but I was gonna say in the car chase he gets over the radio and calls in

[01:27:11] the fire truck right yeah yeah and Sam Jack Zeus is like a guy who not only prides himself

[01:27:18] on his intelligence but is so specifically the kind of guy who's like I understand New York better

[01:27:23] than you do mm-hmm and from McLean to throw at him like no all emergency calls get dispatched

[01:27:28] to that hospital on this street so if we cut across there we'll get right behind the fire truck

[01:27:33] you see the moment where Zeus almost falls in love with McLean yeah really really really it's

[01:27:41] your right I mean you're a few people he's like this guy gets the city yeah he knows shit

[01:27:46] he just won't masterpiece and then he's with him yes so then they go down to the subway station

[01:27:50] and so it's Zeus on the platform getting fuck with by a cop yes but soon that's really great scene

[01:27:58] incredible scene incredible the incredible lifts it directly yeah the incredible is it the first

[01:28:02] one that lifts it the first incredible when they try to go into the burning building yeah and they

[01:28:08] break through the wall and they accidentally end up in the drowry store and the cops come in

[01:28:12] and as frozen right like he's doing the same bit except it's set of a payphone it's with the water

[01:28:18] machine yeah and he right so he can ice them but it's almost like shot for shot word for word the same

[01:28:24] and it doesn't feel like Brad Bird did that because he's like oh this is a clever reference

[01:28:28] he did it because Sam Jack plays that scene so well right they were like why not let him do that again

[01:28:34] yeah uh where is where is John's train yeah he's on the train right he finds the fake sort of

[01:28:40] emergency call box that has the bomb in it and he's trying to figure out how to do right right

[01:28:44] he just kicks the window out and throws the bomb out yes and at the last okay and then you have

[01:28:49] the three train just like swinging through the station and like knocking all the pillars down very

[01:28:55] cool once again ten out of eleven at this point this movie is immaculate yeah agree super exciting

[01:29:03] and I guess that's basically when a grubber is showing up right like after all of this

[01:29:10] that's when I think he gets a brief see him like on the phone he's like like Christopher's right

[01:29:15] is a terrorist when they show him the file right and then they're like but the thing is this guy is

[01:29:20] actually Simon Gruber that silent cutaway to the brief shot of the Gruber fall oh that part is

[01:29:28] great like you oh you feel it again oh yeah you feel it because I'm cut the music and it's just like

[01:29:34] yes and it's like you you get the sort of POV of like as much as I McClean must have felt a sense

[01:29:42] of accomplishment in that moment that he beat the movie die hard you're like it is traumatic to

[01:29:46] watch a man slowly fall to his death yeah yeah and the way they recut the same footage has that feeling

[01:29:53] of like oh that's the face he saw on that haunting moment mm-hmm that's another one little

[01:29:58] little trick that McTiernan does maybe better than anybody as he allows our hero or actually

[01:30:05] are like main guy who is unfazed by everything to have these like just a you get a glimpse

[01:30:11] of this interiority that that they have like when he does it in predator at the very end of the movie

[01:30:16] after Dutch kills the alien and he's in the helicopter and maybe a lot of other directors would have

[01:30:22] just ended it with a helicopter flying away but in this one it takes off and then we just sit

[01:30:26] with Dutch while he just like stares forward like and he's processing everything and you're like oh

[01:30:32] this is gonna sit with this guy for a long time yes so when he does it when he does it here and he and

[01:30:37] you see Bruce Willis's face after they come out of the flashback and he reliving that that one moment

[01:30:45] and it's like oh like he for as much as he like cracks wise or whatever that's like his whole thing

[01:30:51] will you watch him there and he's like oh this maybe this maybe did something to him a little bit

[01:30:54] it might have done a little a little bit of damage when this happened and it's so good yes

[01:30:59] yes it's it's the thing that like he's rolling up his sleeves and showing everyone you guys missed

[01:31:06] this in part two this guy is really sad yeah like yeah in part two it's just like oh god how could

[01:31:13] this happen to me again it's like well no let's acknowledge that would make him crazy but it's the

[01:31:19] X factor of Bruce he is our saddest action star he is sad even when he's quippy

[01:31:23] melancholy there's the melancholy quality yeah that like the best directors have always pulled

[01:31:29] out of him to the surface and like at this point we real we understand enough about his character

[01:31:33] and like he's not really famous anymore like I heard two part of the joke is sort of it's like oh

[01:31:38] he's that guy from that thing that happened yes and now it's more like a thing that had come up like

[01:31:43] ah fucking gruber like you know as as irons later says you know he's an Irish flatfoot who drops

[01:31:50] it around a window casting irons is brilliant obviously just to cast another British theater actor

[01:31:59] yes yes who has a higher star like meter than Rickman did an eight because diehard as a franchise

[01:32:06] has a higher star meter but it's just like where you just like yeah of course their brothers yes

[01:32:10] well yeah that makes perfect sense to me no further questions also have him doing an accent yes

[01:32:16] it is a less like silky accent than Rickmans Rickmans is very good irons is a little more off the shelf

[01:32:25] you know whatever irons is doing something I can't really place it is fun though it's very fun I could not

[01:32:33] find I could not get this substantiated anywhere but I saw a bunch of sites kind of off handedly

[01:32:39] mentioned that David Thulis almost played this part really which makes a ton of sense if you're like

[01:32:44] who do you cast to play Alan Rickman's brother 100 yes and he'd just been a naked so he's like

[01:32:50] a hot actor but you're like the studio was never gonna hire at this point you're hiring someone

[01:32:54] who's one an Oscar like for this type of movie some like kind of wanted that prestige rando website

[01:33:00] certainly do say I'm not finding like a really good source on it but yeah do say he was a choice

[01:33:07] diehard with advantage so okay so yeah okay the next thing is after the subway

[01:33:11] is him saying like there is a bomb in a school yes I'll first present and I'll tell you where if

[01:33:21] um you know you do my next challenge which is is that him trying to direct them to Yankee Stadium

[01:33:28] and that's when they go off the trailer is there one other thing I can't even remember I think

[01:33:36] yeah I think that's it like I think he's like go to Yankee Stadium where they're gonna be murdered

[01:33:40] yes and that's what McLean is like I am going to like go check out what was going on in Wall Street

[01:33:47] essentially like why were we in Wall Street yeah and goes to the federal reserve at this point you've

[01:33:52] also because post the subway in the bomb you have this scene where McLean has to say to Zeus like

[01:33:57] I need you right right the true kind of rom com narrative of this movie of him being like

[01:34:04] I care about you I admit yeah that I need you in my life but the movie needs McLean to be by

[01:34:10] himself so that he can have a like deadly McLean sequence but I do think it's good yeah it is

[01:34:16] or like him killing the guys in the elevator yes it's like a nice low down version of action heroism

[01:34:24] yeah it's also it takes an hour before he does and he's it's him being smart yes and just

[01:34:30] getting the drop on some guys and shooting them it's not him doing like crazy moves if that

[01:34:35] makes sense yes right but it is I would say it plays really well it's the first time in this movie you

[01:34:41] feel them going like okay and what boxes do we need to check I think they check them elegantly

[01:34:47] what what are you saying wow too no I'm saying wow to what box can we check right like it's like

[01:34:51] we do need it's a die hard movie people have spent their $10 we need a sequence where McLean does

[01:34:56] the thing where he comes out with a gun shoots a bunch of Nordic looking guys yes yeah it's always

[01:35:03] nice to see him you know well a fundamental trait of him of his characters that he's good at his job

[01:35:10] as much as he might not like it he's good at it so when you watch him put the pieces together

[01:35:15] especially on the rewatch and you hear like you hear the guy call the elevator a lift or you hear

[01:35:20] the mix they're using the wrong words right and I love that he doesn't even have to say that

[01:35:25] you're just you're like you're just replacing it together and then he sees the badge number

[01:35:29] and you realize they set this up fucking an hour ago with a lot of everything and and it's so

[01:35:35] it's really it's really interesting to rewatch this movie and we're going through all the pieces

[01:35:40] right now especially pulling it out piece by piece and you realize if you're putting together like

[01:35:46] whatever what what are the best car chases that happen in just like in a movie or in New York

[01:35:52] whatever like die hard with the vengeance gets mentioned or if you're like what's the most fun

[01:35:56] elevator fight sequence like die hard with the vengeance gets met gets mentioned like there's

[01:36:00] just so many cool things they do want to even bad guys like you have to come in and you have to be

[01:36:07] the new Hans Gruber which is the most consequential bad guy in action movie history changed

[01:36:14] every single thing and if you get an actor who is 5% less good than Jeremy Irons or 5% less confident

[01:36:21] go very wrong yeah yeah it goes very wrong they come in they try to do what Rickman did with Hans

[01:36:28] Gruber they try to be sassy they try to be this it's not that it's a whole different thing but it's

[01:36:34] it feels still related to the original without being the original and you're like oh this makes

[01:36:39] this is these are brothers for real they grew up in the same house they sort of have the same

[01:36:43] sense of humor but it's relayed differently there's a little more bite here and a little more sassy

[01:36:47] here every person in this is like it's class all across the board but he is sassy he has got

[01:36:54] really really good passion like the classes and the cutoffs of the oral fran crew I think he's

[01:37:01] right you're with him yeah um victimless crime the federal reserve cares take those go really on

[01:37:09] no but I love that like the the larger kind of conceited this movie is like oh the classic action

[01:37:15] movie this time it's personal revenge right for the sins of the previous film of course and you're

[01:37:21] like no all of that's a red herring once again some guy just want some shit and he's like setting up

[01:37:26] a fake action movie right to distract the entire city of New York yeah I mean it's why the Irish

[01:37:33] flat foot line is good because that's where McLean is like so you don't care about me at all right

[01:37:37] and he's like no I do want to kill you like suck it's rude of you to kill my brother yeah but like

[01:37:44] no obviously plan a right gold bars but that can be you die it's when you get back to the new

[01:37:51] jersey fucking sense a humor thing and the problem with die hard too as much as I love William

[01:37:56] Sadler and his crew is excellent sure you're like it kind of needs to be like snobby euro trash fighting

[01:38:02] John McLean yeah it needs to be these guys who are just like I hate this American shit

[01:38:07] it is annoying that in two and four it's mostly Americans right that are the villains five

[01:38:13] I guess it's Russians yes right it's yeah the elevator scene is when I made the Batman connection

[01:38:20] in my head because I was like this movie is actually successfully showing how and why John McLean

[01:38:26] is a good detective and the groovers are sort of uh Joker ask or ridler or ridler or

[01:38:33] ridler he was while this is a fucking riddle thriller this one's riddle but I'm just saying

[01:38:39] they both kind of laugh in the face of crime it's kind of what the Joker does they do the things

[01:38:44] that make us cry make them chuckle um so what is the fake conversation McLean has in the elevator

[01:38:50] Bruce plays that so yeah guys play the lottery oh god I mean I got my numbers my lucky numbers you know

[01:38:56] I would play him every time this is what I'm saying about this being a movie where Bruce has

[01:39:00] something to prove where he's just like guys I want to remind America why you all love me in

[01:39:04] the first place I'm gonna play the hits I'm gonna do all the shit that made you love me in the first

[01:39:09] place yes that kind of thing I'm like my wife keeps nagging me lottery tickets and you believe like

[01:39:14] he's selling it so well you believe it would disarm these guys especially because he's he's John

[01:39:20] McLean he does seem like the kind of guy who plays the lotto the more you're saying this thing about

[01:39:24] having something to prove the more I'm starting to buy into this idea yeah I'm replaying all

[01:39:29] of the things in my head now even even with McTiernan who was coming off of last last section

[01:39:34] McTiernan has a lot to prove which I if you watch it now this movie fucking rules it came out

[01:39:41] 10 to 12 years too early yes your pro last section here we are we are on the same page I'm pro

[01:39:46] last action hero you watch it now and it's like I get I can understand all of this it was a little too

[01:39:51] soon for then yeah but but he was in such fine form here everybody in this movie is in such fine

[01:39:57] form him especially that he does the exact same trick that he does in diehard with like it's

[01:40:05] this complicated thing actually no we're just stealing some money the exact same thing with

[01:40:09] the brother of the guy who doesn't the and you're sitting there like I fucking fell for it again

[01:40:14] I fell for it again and it works it's confident it's like why they call them con men you know

[01:40:21] yeah it's the feeling of it doesn't feel like a lazy cynical move it's McTiernan being like

[01:40:26] I think I could fucking pull this off again and I need to prove to everyone that I can pull it

[01:40:31] off again like Bruce and McTiernan are trying to reclaim what they had they had let slip away a little

[01:40:38] give me the crown back I want the crown back right and Jackson's like let me meet you on your level

[01:40:44] because I'm not gonna try and steal the movie from you but he's exactly what he's you might be making

[01:40:49] me a crown during this but it's like the five six years leading up to this he's really proven himself

[01:40:54] as an actor I mean you know as sam jack's stories fascinating we've talked about it before

[01:40:59] but then his like jungle fever and pull fiction he's winning awards he's this kind of like great

[01:41:03] supporting actor but this is his like bid for movie stardom in eternity which he like he nails

[01:41:11] like nails if you if he did pull fiction and he never did anything that consequential ever again

[01:41:18] he would be important in film history 100% he'd still be huge he would be like his career

[01:41:23] and it's a month before for whatever reason it would still kind of be a big deal yeah but this is

[01:41:27] the movie that guarantees like you will never be paid less than two million dollars to do anything

[01:41:32] ever even if it's fucking shown up for 30 minutes in our guy oh not his minus work and when I say

[01:41:39] 30 minutes I don't mean 30 minutes of screen time I mean 30 minutes from him getting picked up

[01:41:42] in his hotel to returning back to that was true yeah that's a real chair per million dollars

[01:41:50] for 30 minutes with travel and and lunch included um so from the federal reserve yes

[01:41:59] John realizes uh what they're actually doing is is robbing this place right

[01:42:04] and they've taken dump trucks of gold yeah driven it through a water an unfinished water pipe

[01:42:11] that goes up states yep yeah but that is how they are getting off the city without anyone seeing

[01:42:16] I'm gonna say this a good plan it's a solid plan um I think they maybe should have just taken one

[01:42:24] dump truck because it's it's 140 billion dollars yeah like are you not happy with just maybe like

[01:42:32] 10 billion but like that's a lot of money I mean this is say the tale is old as time I know

[01:42:36] obviously I know their cover stories they have to blow up all the gold or whatever yes like you

[01:42:44] know when you realize they just want to take the gold right but I guess they have to create the illusion

[01:42:48] that there's no gold left here it's a lot of trucks so it is um and so they drive I just like

[01:42:54] that John drives up there tells Zeus like this is what's going on you go to Yankee Stadium I'm

[01:42:59] gonna go up this water pipe and meets a trivia loving truck truck dump truck driver

[01:43:07] who can fill in some gaps from about like New York City water supply presidents right

[01:43:12] I was talking to a friend points out the chest Arthur was the custom collector in New York City yes

[01:43:18] I was talking to a friend who's writing a project a historical project and with chest Arthur is

[01:43:23] a character sure and was saying like it's this weird blank slate where for most people they're

[01:43:28] only association with chest Arthur is him being the answer and die hard with avengements he's

[01:43:33] he's an underrated president incredible fucking mutton chops that's what I remember from my

[01:43:38] story from people thought he was going to be corrupt because he was part of a New York City

[01:43:42] political machine Garfield dies Arthur is elevated the presidency and it turned he sort of stamps

[01:43:47] you know he's anti corruption to have one surprise there's a statue of a Madison Square Park where I

[01:43:52] used to work near there guy looks rad as hell he looks pretty cool yeah back when our presidents were

[01:43:57] like really like these like really large men with beards like in the late 1800s all presidents had

[01:44:04] to have like a big waste coat and like mutton chops and like just like a belly

[01:44:09] Grover Cleveland yeah yeah no of course is taft the taft blade them all it's stuck in a bath that

[01:44:15] he never happened I'm sure it happened that was there okay

[01:44:21] the the term I thought of while watching this movie is like this is a real steakhouse movie

[01:44:25] this is steakhouse movie yeah okay like this you mean that it's like me and potatoes and cream

[01:44:31] spinach this movie's not trying to get Michelin stars yeah sure and it's like I know what this is

[01:44:37] this is a classy environment but we're not fancy in some sort of pretentious way right you're

[01:44:42] ordering the mutton chop at keens or whatever right exactly right it's expensive and the sides are

[01:44:48] tasty yeah yes there's a good ambiance in here you know like that sort of feeling in the same

[01:44:54] way where it's like the screenering of this film is so smart in a just sort of like an effectiveness

[01:45:02] with just enough humor and character the fucking trivia loving guy the movie of this the version

[01:45:08] of this movie that doesn't do the work has McLean bump into a truck driver who then happens to

[01:45:14] know the answer chest or Arthur right rather than this movie giving you two scenes of this guy

[01:45:20] endlessly spouting off trivia talking about other stuff right right before McLean's like I

[01:45:25] we gotta figure out the president yeah yeah right where you're like in three scenes it feels like

[01:45:29] we've had an arc with this guy yeah he meets this guy they have a little funny banter then they're

[01:45:34] stuck in the car together then the guy won't stop explaining New York City shit he's kind of like

[01:45:38] you and that he loves explaining how New York City works him oh that's why I like him and then of

[01:45:43] course when like he says chest or Arthur you're like yeah I know enough about this guy to know

[01:45:46] that he would know the answer and it's satisfying that that's whom McLean got it from yeah and

[01:45:52] anybody else's hands that character is like ridiculous why would this that possibly know this but again

[01:45:58] they pull the trick they do the they did as you said they do the work they sat in a room

[01:46:02] where they can how can how can this make sense and figure out oh we just have him say 400 other trivia

[01:46:09] things and you realize this is a most annoying guy right in the movie but it makes sense that he

[01:46:14] would have this one answer a jeopardy watching you know truck yeah yeah yeah yeah this guy was in

[01:46:21] the movie for two minutes less you'd be like you didn't earn this if the guy was in the movie for five

[01:46:26] minutes more you'd be like let's get back to Zeus it's the exact right amount to let this guy

[01:46:31] fucking succeed Joe's a loom incredible that's the actor's name incredible Joe's loom is from New

[01:46:38] New York just like my mother love it I do love it do you all watch the show billions I've seen Bill

[01:46:44] is young billions he's not I don't think he's on billions no but they do a thing in billions

[01:46:49] where everybody kind of talks the same right there like every character doesn't matter they will

[01:46:54] all at some point be like this is like Rolling Stone in 87 when WWE WWE WWE this is like journey

[01:47:00] in 92 this is Tyson in 85 when they all did like that they have this like pop culture slant

[01:47:05] that they all talk with and they do a version of that in this movie where they give everybody who

[01:47:10] shows up gets like at least one wisecrackin line we even this guy gets one where they're like are you

[01:47:17] a truck driver no I'm a beauty supply what of course I'm a truck driver like it's just pretty good

[01:47:22] it's got so good it's I'm gonna watch it again after we finish this that's the thing this movie

[01:47:26] is actually funny like you said say that like a lot of the McLean jokes sound like they should have

[01:47:32] a rim shot at the end of them but yeah them are groaners no not a single one they're all actually

[01:47:39] funny right down the middle of the plate perfect just classic all-american here fucking state cut fries

[01:47:46] yeah here's some meaty jokes for you boom I don't love a steak cut fried though

[01:47:55] I'm like a shoe street fuck right now I'm just saying okay so now that Chester Arthur

[01:48:03] Chester Arthur School they've been scouting out all the schools because the threat is that one

[01:48:07] of the schools there's a bomb in one of them it's gonna get blown out there evacuating the city

[01:48:10] I mean that's the beautiful moment when McLean puts it all together where what is it when he

[01:48:15] steals the kids bicycle he sees the kid robbing the stores he just tries to like and the kids like

[01:48:20] you I could I could steal city hall which is to chase point another really witty line yeah and yes

[01:48:27] where right McLean is like oh this is good detective moment though it is I mean he's obviously

[01:48:32] also it's rooted in his experience of someone pulling this shit once before yeah but another

[01:48:36] situation in which he did good jobs winning die hard but um so yes now they know it's all distraction

[01:48:44] yes but there is a legitimate threat in their minds that some school is gonna get blown up to keep

[01:48:48] the eye on they don't know that's fake so cops are staking all this out the school stuff is really

[01:48:53] well done because it's obviously shot in a real school it's like look it has the look of a New York

[01:48:59] city post school the way the cops and principles are all kind of like tense but not panicking this is

[01:49:06] grand prize real section where he gets to kind of carry the movie and him interfacing with the kids

[01:49:11] is really good there's the the moment where I'm like I think most directors wouldn't include this

[01:49:16] this is such a McTeeernan touch but when the truck driver says Chester Arthur they call in it's

[01:49:22] Chester a Chester a says it right it's yeah just throughout their elementary right yeah and then you

[01:49:28] have the scene where like they go up to the teacher where every school is on lockdown the kids are

[01:49:33] in the assembly hall she's leading them in song and someone comes up to her whispers in her ear like

[01:49:38] this is the school right this is the one where the bomb is and you see her pivot and he lets the

[01:49:44] scene play out for like a minute of her running the drill 100 percent of this woman having to make

[01:49:49] the real-time calculation of like okay I can't panic these kids but I got to get them ready

[01:49:56] um they and it's hard to New Yorkie of this where you're like I like watching a good teacher

[01:50:02] I like watching when everybody is at their job and job everyone's good at their job at their job

[01:50:07] it's so enjoyable exactly yes real hero moment for Kevin Chamberlain in all of this

[01:50:15] staying behind yeah to try to fuse the bomb yes uh the comic button at the end of it is great but like

[01:50:22] you still are like that guy you know was was was ready to go yeah and you look it back into the

[01:50:29] Hodges too like it's like this is the school they're at yes they were fucking sneaking out of

[01:50:35] the assembly hall because they weren't listening to what Zeus told him to do which almost got them

[01:50:40] killed except never because it was pancake Sarah it was it was uh right it was never actually gonna

[01:50:46] hurt them uh all that is great great the stuff with McLean

[01:50:53] zeroing in on Simon in the boat is more in the fine territory in my opinion I don't know how you

[01:51:00] feel Shay about the whole boat third act climax big explosions jumping around swinging around on

[01:51:09] wires and all this stuff it's it's totally fine yeah it's it's good but it's not the first hour of

[01:51:15] the movie it's not trans sense you could you could fill it a little bit but there's never a moment

[01:51:21] when I'm like I need to turn this off I'm not born enough it's bad I think that the sort of interplay

[01:51:26] of like Nick Wyman's character realizing it's no good looks like he's about to turn everyone on him

[01:51:33] and then he gets shot like that's cool yeah like I like the the gangster fighting like right

[01:51:39] this is what I imagine diehard three would be the rest of it you're like this is what diehard

[01:51:42] with a vengeance is the explosion is so big yeah that because does kind of rock you are like they

[01:51:53] just like put like 800 million tons of TNT on a boat right it used to be how they did that's

[01:51:58] how they would do it but then um which it's like diehard two if nothing else has an awesome

[01:52:04] explosion so yes like clearly they were like we have to beat that yeah um McLean said that he

[01:52:12] in making this film realized I it looks like we're probably getting an art rating these previous

[01:52:18] two films have been our rated right violent there's enough cursing I might as well throw a sex scene

[01:52:24] the sex scene is somewhat ridiculous it's so obligatory but it truly by his account was just like if

[01:52:29] they're gonna give us an hour anyway why not have them fuck at the last second before they get busted

[01:52:35] it is just weird then Ken then they just like let's do this I guess they're just really excited yeah

[01:52:40] um she really feels like a like a member of cobra like she's a gey joe villain

[01:52:45] is because she doesn't talk yeah that's why but she's cool yeah um but I do have less to say about

[01:52:53] this stuff and stuff like McLean realizes you know the aspirin was bought you know in

[01:53:00] Canada or whatever like shit like that feels like sort of screenwriting trickery that is less

[01:53:05] impressive that's an on the day you're like I'm like that's really right it's detecting but it's

[01:53:11] really how quickly can the art department make us sticker to put on the bottom of the aspirin bottle

[01:53:16] it's like makes sure to seed that he asked Hans Gruber for aspirin which he had no I the movie kind

[01:53:23] of doesn't know her and which we'll talk about what the original ending was the last great scene in

[01:53:28] this movie to me is is McLean and Zeus tied to the bomb trying to free themselves which is like

[01:53:34] that's the last time the movie is operating with like unbelievable power and the cleverness of

[01:53:39] McLean using like a little bit of explosives to free yeah Zeus is very yeah that's really fun

[01:53:44] but also their interplay their sort of begrudge and respect for each other right you get I think

[01:53:49] that's when you get into McLean talking about uh not calling Holly back and setting that up for later

[01:53:57] and Zeus being ready to die there as a sacrifice like it's the same it's a double B with what they

[01:54:03] just did with Chamberlain but it's still fucking works because it's Sam Jackson and anybody anybody

[01:54:10] else doing that role you it might it you you might a role derives a bit when he's like is this

[01:54:15] another black thing when the he's done this like nine times or whatever in the movie but he does it

[01:54:20] and you're like this is the best thing I've ever seen it's the best this is great watching

[01:54:24] watching Bruce Willis back to back with Sam Jackson oh wait during this scene specifically I just

[01:54:30] get to sense I got the question in my head of like how much fun was it for Bruce Willis to walk on

[01:54:36] set every day and be like I'm doing a movie with Sam Jackson who can keep up with me Sam Jackson

[01:54:41] probably a better overall actor than Bruce Willis Jeremy I it's probably a better overall actor

[01:54:46] that Bruce Willis sure but I get there but I'm still the star of this movie and they're bouncing off

[01:54:50] of me and like we just did Pulp fiction this the bad guy is coming off a lion king I'm in a action

[01:54:57] movie man I'm in a action movie again he's called Scott oh come on I heard must be taking everyone

[01:55:05] out to dinner on set being like Lion King baby I'm so rich now if that truly was the studio pitch

[01:55:11] where they're looking and they're like okay we could get David Thulis for this or hear me out what if

[01:55:15] you're a higher scar so the hottest villain in Hollywood yeah sure he's close from and then

[01:55:22] everybody's also scar and they knew exactly what they were doing because they only give you his voice

[01:55:27] that you get that's for an hour she's a good point oh it's a good fucking point you need someone

[01:55:33] whose voice is gonna is gonna be enough for the first chunk of the movie but you're right I feel like

[01:55:38] you know I read Bruce interviews okay when he's sort of worked on his better movies his more serious

[01:55:46] films even just like the the Bruce Willis roast from a couple years back remember yeah where I'd

[01:55:53] were Norton talked for a while and gave a speech that was funny but also kind of endearing

[01:55:59] where he talked about Bruce Willis coming backstage to see him after some play and being like you

[01:56:05] have the kind of career I always imagined I was gonna have before I became a movie star right that

[01:56:10] Bruce always felt a little trapped by like he fell into a thing which was very lucrative for him yeah

[01:56:16] I think he enjoyed being incredibly famous and whatever but that like it's did sort of lock him

[01:56:20] into a star persona for the rest of his life Sam Jack is a guy who's like yes I think you're right

[01:56:28] right like he has always seemed to recognize and love when he works with actors who are better than

[01:56:33] him he doesn't have an ego in that sense but also Sam Jack is the type of guy who is a really fine

[01:56:40] actor and also a full tilt movie star who can just do the fucking energy in the banter with him

[01:56:47] I mean they do not have a scene together in Pulp Fiction no and they obviously go on to do unbreakable

[01:56:54] together and glass and glass but even those movies they don't actually share a ton of screen time

[01:57:00] like a full of fair amounts more but they're both playing kind of against type yes true like this

[01:57:07] electric like banter is only really here but it's clear they like each other and I think a big

[01:57:12] part of beyond just like andrivania being at the conscreening and watching the reaction to

[01:57:17] Sam Jack yeah I think a lot of the legend is just like those two guys being a can together

[01:57:22] yeah well maybe they had fun they weren't filming the movie together but like you just imagine

[01:57:27] those two guys on the closet together I mean like let's fucking put this in front of cameras

[01:57:33] the end of the movie we claim shoots at cable and it takes down a helicopter he sees a sticker

[01:57:38] in the bottom of an aspirin bottle that says north of the border in Kabaqa yes yes so they realize

[01:57:44] and he realizes there must be going to a motel who knows near Canada they go there

[01:57:51] it's just an underwhelming ending in relation to everything it's already happened yes now what

[01:57:57] is the alternate ending the alternating is very bizarre yes and I feel like Hensley and Tiren

[01:58:03] and talk about it as like and and Willis like we had a really interesting ending and the studio

[01:58:08] chickened out they didn't like it because it wasn't die hardy enough for them and they wanted a big

[01:58:12] action explosion and reading about the ending I'm like this sounds great and then I watch it and

[01:58:16] I was like I completely understand why this was unusable right it's not just that it's like have you

[01:58:22] seen it unconventional shame if you see the alternate ending it's on that I'm excited to hear about

[01:58:27] this special edition DVD or whatever it's around extras yeah but it's one year later and it feels

[01:58:36] like the ending of like the multi-s Falcon or something in and it's presuming that the helicopter

[01:58:41] thing didn't happen that iron successfully robbed the money yes I think everything up to the aspirin

[01:58:48] bottle happens but McLean doesn't because him saying like Zeus hold on is an ADR line I believe

[01:58:55] sure the aspirin bottle plays into the alternate ending I know so yes so like that's part of it

[01:58:59] like McLean has been fired right like he is divorced yes it's a year later he's at the end of his

[01:59:06] rope right well it's like you're like groovers like Canadian layer it feels like he's like in like

[01:59:16] Don Corleone's like back office right this sort of like wood panel like sort of Gordon Willis

[01:59:21] he looking right it's like very noirish right and he's got all these beautiful assistance and he's

[01:59:27] sitting behind his mahogany desk and then he thinks like a butler's handing him some food and he

[01:59:32] looks up in its McLean and McLean's wearing kind of like a filet Marlow jackets with the collar up

[01:59:39] and he's in a very different register it does feel like the end of a Bogart movie where he's like

[01:59:46] I figured it all out after the fact using the fucking aspirin bottle right he kind of gives him like a

[01:59:52] moral dressing down yes and talks about like how much he hates the guy and just like he's

[02:00:00] he's kind of uh he's not doing McLean quippy no blue collar shit he's doing like you fucking idiot

[02:00:08] you like stubborn arrogant piece of shit in a way that they said when they tested it for audiences

[02:00:14] they were like it makes McLean kind of seem like a bully right he's doing this very like

[02:00:19] stoic sort of steely way and then he just shoots gruber and cold blood and says yippee kai

[02:00:24] motherfucker and walks out but no there's also there's a whole thing where he's like let's play McLean

[02:00:28] says oh yes yes I'm sorry and he makes gruber shoot a rocket into himself this is the bully

[02:00:34] part of it though he starts like doing like these taunting games to like show that he's actually

[02:00:39] greater intellect than gruber it feels out of character it's not just that it's like a muted quiet

[02:00:45] ending but you're like cruel you're moving the ticking clock yeah because it's a year later so it's

[02:00:51] like McLean's now just had time to stew and McTernan's read on the ending was I liked the idea of

[02:00:57] like showing him a year later and it's like you know what these three movies in a row have actually

[02:01:01] broken McLean something has snapped within him he's a little bit off kilter now

[02:01:07] uh-huh but he's doing it in a way that's not fun when you watch it you're it's I don't like it

[02:01:12] I don't like it it's bad I don't like it I'm out the ending still is a little underwhelming

[02:01:16] but it's better than that the ending is of this movie is fine yeah it's just yeah exactly

[02:01:21] but like it's it's what the ending some version of the ending should be this I basically buy him

[02:01:27] saying yippee kai again I think I hate when I do it in the fourth movie I eventually it's fine I

[02:01:32] don't love it it's just like the first time he says I know he has to say it the first time he says

[02:01:37] it is so context-dependent it really he's referencing the Roy Rogers right so he has been teed up

[02:01:46] to make the joke at least he's saying it to a gruber right like it's like that's why it's okay this

[02:01:51] is the only other time I basically allow it because I'm it's like he's calling back his own like

[02:01:57] close in the loop um let's play the box I was getting riffing do you have any final thoughts?

[02:02:02] yeah shea any final thoughts Ben if you want to weigh in on dh w a v yeah good time think we hit

[02:02:11] I think we hit everything for me anyway Ben what do you got fun liked it yeah now now we've hit

[02:02:17] ever had you seen before I assume yeah yeah like you know what I'll say major smile give you a smile

[02:02:24] Ben is smiling right now big smile from Ben this movie came out May 19th 1995 Griffin opening

[02:02:31] number one 22 mil makes a hundred domestic 366 worldwide that's the interesting asterisks it was

[02:02:38] the highest grossing film of 1995 worldwide it was the 10th highest grossing film domestic right

[02:02:45] it was one of the first times that there was that divide that thing of like oh he really plays overseas

[02:02:51] right this movie is big here it's humongous everywhere is toy story the biggest domestic hit that

[02:02:56] here yes okay um so it's number one graph okay number two is a great film we will one day cover

[02:03:02] that I'm sure Shay loves um it's a thriller it's okay war sort of a war through a cold war

[02:03:11] what's their post-cold war though it's crimson time yeah it's crimson time I was I just didn't

[02:03:16] say summer you know that but that's since you not saying submarine movie that was military film that's

[02:03:22] another talking another fucking steakhouse movie it really is like brokheimer mc tear and these guys

[02:03:27] were like kings of the steakhouse where they were like we're gonna give you the finest cut of meat

[02:03:31] without being all fancy it's got fun yeah you can drink a beer if you want this isn't a line only

[02:03:39] join Shay I assume you like crimson tied and indeed I do my friend yes you got that one on VHS

[02:03:47] of course I do what are we doing what are we talking about I want to find a way to stump you

[02:03:52] do you y'all weren't you look yeah we're talking about under seizures right here like

[02:03:56] there it is a really a really good universal soldier this is just the use I got all the

[02:04:02] universal soldiers I guess it's just that you used right there you got under siege too

[02:04:07] yeah I got under siege too or you can come on and loves under siege to territory Ben for years

[02:04:12] right for decades had not seen under siege one but listed under siege two is one of his favorite movies

[02:04:17] oh sure fun it must have been to then go back and watch under siege one which is good man

[02:04:24] it was great it actually blew my mind it could be even better yes quite a lot better actually

[02:04:31] number three of the box up is this new this week grift a clear clear counter programming it

[02:04:34] is a romantic comedy 1995 yes and it's opening pretty poorly I would say at five mil interesting

[02:04:42] it's a big star it's a one big star it's two stars I would say the female lead is sort of on

[02:04:49] the downswing it's not I love trouble is it no no I know I know it is you know what it is I know

[02:04:55] it is because I have it while you were sleeping it's not while you were sleeping that is a great

[02:05:02] that's female star on the upswing female stars on the upswing okay the female star is is dwindling

[02:05:07] in this case this person's on the downswing um huh is it a Sharon it's not Sharon stone

[02:05:14] don't think about the female star you're gonna get you're gonna get caught up I think so because she

[02:05:19] really is by the 90s kind of less of a big deal so it was an 80s person yes yes but it's the male

[02:05:26] star uh huh it's his movie it's his movie yeah it's it's not Deborah Winger it is Deborah Winger

[02:05:34] well look at that well look at that I think it's forget Paris written directed by Billy Crystal

[02:05:40] oh Billy crystals for get Paris with Deborah Winger that's her last movie for a while NBA referee uh

[02:05:48] rom com yeah I don't got no time because I'm an NBA referee yeah I have never seen forget

[02:05:56] Paris I haven't either I've been watching I recently watched every Billy crystal opening monologue

[02:06:01] mm-hmm uh and I think the thing I was saying this to you because you also watched all them but sure

[02:06:07] yeah he straight up repeats jokes every time it becomes like the the cannon of like right now I'm

[02:06:13] gonna do this one it also he's doing it in a non-YouTube error where people are like I don't

[02:06:17] remember what he said a year ago so just he did he did this movie direct itself three times three

[02:06:23] times yeah I think he for both forget Paris and mr. Sarra and I did the bit of announcing his movie as

[02:06:29] one of the best picture nominees and then going I just wanted to see what it felt like

[02:06:35] forget Paris sort of did maybe did financially better than mr. Sarra and I but got like very

[02:06:43] tapping reviews and yeah have you seen forget Paris it does have the NBA referee yeah I have yeah

[02:06:48] I have seen forget Paris do you have that on VHS I don't think I have that one no okay it doesn't

[02:06:54] I know it has a million like NBA stars like in it like as themselves that was the whole reason

[02:06:59] I watch it because in the trailer yeah they show a clip of Reggie Miller shooting the three Billy

[02:07:05] Crystal does the hands up and then Reggie Miller high five some on the way back down court with his

[02:07:09] hands up and I thought that why I got to see I gotta go watch this Reggie Miller and Billy crystal movie

[02:07:14] dare Billy Crystal high five Reggie Miller that's what I have to say about that number four at the

[02:07:18] box office a film that shade guest about five minutes ago uh five minutes ago he guesses not while

[02:07:24] you were sleeping it is while you were asleep it's like five minutes yeah that's a movie that's

[02:07:28] a movie that's a picture I love while you were sleeping great film who directed Sandy some good

[02:07:34] Sandy that's a turtle top it's a fucking ham sandwich with mustard turkey sandwich is a great

[02:07:42] movie a lot of train stuff in that one too obviously a little talk a version should we loop around

[02:07:47] and do a full turtle top six long said time to do him all right number five at the box office

[02:07:53] zing nether somewhat over underwhelming romantic comedy underwhelming it's directed by and starring

[02:08:00] a colette the collab uh-huh we just covered another of their collabs the director and the star

[02:08:08] interesting we just covered another of their collabs main theater patreon main feed but

[02:08:16] someone was choosing oh interesting okay so is it French kiss it's Larry Kastin's French kiss

[02:08:23] starring Kevin Klein yes and Meg Ryan Meg Ryan I know people who swear by this movie this is also

[02:08:29] one of those movies that weirdly is like unwatchable now oh is it hard it's hard to find you see

[02:08:34] for some kids Ben is a crime thing you know how he did an Italian accent do you want him to do a

[02:08:39] French one oh we we also kind of an underwhelmer at the box office like did like 40 mil like yeah

[02:08:50] you know like uh so those are the top five so it's this real like you can either go see movies about

[02:08:56] explosions or movies about like you know character comedic actors like falling in love uh speaking of

[02:09:03] oh uh a thing that I brought up sure I showed my little cousins Pierre Les Cargo sure the classic

[02:09:10] Keenan Thompson all that sketch where he teaches you French in a bathtub yes they thought that was

[02:09:15] the funniest shit they had ever seen in their life because it's funny it was like I I had reinvented

[02:09:20] comedy for them yeah well Keenan kind of did reinvent comedy correct and B he was like wait Keenan's

[02:09:26] existed for this long no it must be mind blowing to be like yo Keenan was literally famous when

[02:09:32] we were children right I was like Keenan was my guy when I was your age and he wasn't much older than

[02:09:39] me yeah and he was like they kind of he looks sort of the same well he does yeah um

[02:09:47] number six is a little princess great film a great film a film we will cover uh

[02:09:53] number seven is Friday a great film a great film we'll probably cover one day I've got

[02:09:57] Grace Friday if if I've got a great can start making good movies again uh number eight is

[02:10:03] the Hugh Grant movie the Englishman who went up a hill but came down a mountain yeah one of the

[02:10:07] longest titles the movie ever had yeah uh one of the great titles along with diehurt with

[02:10:12] avenge this is a great title weekend at the box office number nine uh little movie called bad

[02:10:17] boys that I'm sure shade does not have on phs yeah right I got both of them right there of course you

[02:10:23] uh and uh number ten is my family which is that's the movie with that's the almost movie with uh

[02:10:31] yeah smiths and uh almost and is it I forget who the the female lead is Imaralus isn't it like big

[02:10:39] is that the one we're talking about the American drama the spirit award nomination um

[02:10:45] yeah she isn't it i'm not sure like that's the movie where she sort of started getting taken

[02:10:51] seriously as an actress for the first time have you seen my family chair yes yes every

[02:10:56] Mexican has to watch my family yes when you're like that's the thing like I feel like there were so

[02:11:00] few Hollywood like efforts at like big sort of you know Mexican American epics like and that's

[02:11:07] like one of the most famous ones because that's not Lewis Mundoqi is it it's um Gregory Napa okay who

[02:11:12] then does Selena yes so that's the other part of it I think she gets Selena I'll say no for that

[02:11:18] yeah yeah is that movie good my family yeah uh i've never seen it's fine it's a shame Selena

[02:11:23] Selena is great Selena is really yeah yeah yeah I think of my family is no offense to it

[02:11:30] is a little boring well offense take i feel like that's kind of its reputation is that it's just

[02:11:37] maybe a little boring she here's a question for you you said bad boys you got both of them on the

[02:11:42] shelf yeah does it hurt you when there's like a third bad boy and now coming soon a fourth bad

[02:11:50] boys in a post vhs error that you cannot put alongside do you ever consider making modern doops

[02:11:56] of sequels or films in the style of the 80s 90s movies you know i'm a romantic I like what

[02:12:03] I like what was when it was i don't need to read you the yeah i don't need to redo the new stuff

[02:12:09] there's a woman on instagram i wish i could remember her name um instantly but she makes like

[02:12:14] oh vhs covers and tapes yeah yeah yeah they're awesome they're great those ones are really good

[02:12:19] I if she would make one out by one but i don't need for the movies to produce them that way

[02:12:24] our friends uh Jordan Fish and Brayton Tory uh great friends of the show made a video

[02:12:30] uh for us last year that was a parody of the Nicole Kidman AMC ad

[02:12:35] yeah Ben uh installing the virtues of watching vhs is on your porch

[02:12:40] and Jordan went through the trouble of making vhs doops of a couple modern Ben favorites that never

[02:12:47] got on vhs so i think he now has a bespoke vhs copy of assassin's creed correct and there's one

[02:12:54] other one that he faked i want to say yeah i'm trying to think what was rather than just like

[02:12:59] composite it onto the screen and post he was like i will transfer assassin's creed to vhs

[02:13:03] wreck it Ralph wreck it Ralph he put on phs that's so wonderful that's a good friend

[02:13:09] just imagine that giant rickett Ralph clamshell that big plastic clamshell

[02:13:13] plastic one oh that would be fun Disney should just do a few of those they should just turn out a few

[02:13:19] come on yeah please with vinyl being so popular even cassette tapes

[02:13:23] well but but yeah but no offense to vhs but vinyl sounds good

[02:13:27] vhs it's more like you're trying to summon a visual vibe i know there's something really actually

[02:13:34] on it to chase or on i don't mind you who you're talking i think this is also not he's right

[02:13:39] look at the right behind me yes i have this nine ends got this setup yeah zineth tvvcr combo

[02:13:46] yes and when you put when you put it like if you put in twister it has the like

[02:13:51] it'll be digital surround wow remember that big advertisement these to do of course

[02:13:55] and it's so funny to hear it coming out as little tiny tv and see it on a weird screen

[02:13:59] it does not look great if like i find you to watch a thing to research it

[02:14:04] i'm not gonna watch it on vhs this is just you just want for a five just five

[02:14:08] that's all that it is take it outside you ever take it outside chase bends question

[02:14:14] take it outside no i'm an inside vhs watcher we have at at our house like a projector screen

[02:14:22] that we watch movies outside which is really nice oh that's what i've never watched a vhs tape

[02:14:26] outside bend don't be disappointed you have to consider chase from texas it's a hot porch

[02:14:31] it's hot yeah it's hot to watch it's hot yeah bend would watch movies outside but that's up in the

[02:14:35] northeast that tape is gonna burn to the touch if you take it out on a pork shay are those figures

[02:14:41] on top of your tv setup i see the silhouettes oh yeah this is a so this one is that's a

[02:14:48] Freddy Kruger standing on top of a night run elm street vhs this is the clown from spawn

[02:14:54] standing on top of a spawn vhs violator baby violators some good john li guzamo right there

[02:15:01] it's the best part of that movie you serious come on you unfortunately might have just added an hour

[02:15:07] onto this announcement we have we have to go these are long standing conversational threat we can't

[02:15:14] do another violator run on this show right now violators been coming up a lot on the show

[02:15:18] violator and clown and the 97 spawn movie have been discussed a lot all i'll say is if we ever

[02:15:23] end up doing a full spawn episode we have to circle back to you for your thoughts yes yes yes you

[02:15:27] have to at least contribute some thoughts look at that shit oh tell it me I mean the same again

[02:15:33] this is a serious movie that needs to be watched on vhs yeah the visual effects that movie that

[02:15:38] loses the star if you watch it all over it you don't want too much definition you want to take some

[02:15:44] definition out of yeah thank you so much for coming on this was so much fun i've been listening

[02:15:49] to y'all for years i couldn't believe i got the message to come be on the show and then to talk

[02:15:53] about one of my favorite movies ever thank you all so much for having me you are a sweetie shane

[02:15:58] we couldn't believe you were listening we were very excited when we found out you were

[02:16:02] uh yeah and then it just like once we decide we're doing mc tearna we're like this feels like

[02:16:08] a good match yeah thank you all so much for real i'll have you on sooner uh have you on again sooner

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[02:16:21] so i can keep listening to it as well y'all keep making it i was it's it's wonderful it's wonderful

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[02:17:50] series yet looks like we are indeed finishing up the terminators terminator genesis i think it might

[02:17:57] be the next one okay so we really that just happened yeah we're finishing up the terminators and

[02:18:01] our next dark fate is next well we're really finishing up the terminators not a bad movie no you will

[02:18:06] hear us in real time on our dark fate commentary decide what's going to be next all says it's a real

[02:18:12] bend pick yeah that's a tease for you there tune in next week four um tomas grandfather

[02:18:19] tomas crown is next because of the weird fucking thirteenth warrior order and my we've wrong about this

[02:18:27] tomas crown is next tomas crown is next tune in next week for the tomas crown affair with Amanda

[02:18:32] Dobbins another long overdue guest i it's always right he made thirteenth worry before this what's

[02:18:37] the use about it yes after okay next because uh tomas crown for the man to dobbins yes right and

[02:18:42] similarly we recorded the thirteenth warrior episode months before correct the tomas crown episode

[02:18:47] will come on the reverse order i none of this is interesting or valuable to anyone and we have to be

[02:18:52] done we have to be done so say goodbye i've decided i'm getting raised in canes holy shit i've decided

[02:18:59] that's my lunch i had it last night you were underwhelmed i texted your view i said my fingers

[02:19:03] were a little soggy right this is not how this episode should end well then how should it end okay i

[02:19:07] got a hot pitch go ahead die hurt on a podcast i don't know it's good okay it's good