Duel

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_06]: The killer's weapon? A 40-ton truck. The victim's only defense? A startling podcast!

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, what's this?

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Trap? I don't know if that's really an act—

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Spoiler alert! Kind of giving away his one move in like minute 82.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I was gonna say, that's the last minute. It's not like—that makes it sound like the movie is him constructing an elaborate trap.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, what if a truck guy tried to kill the most ingenious trapper?

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like weaver's behind the movies and what he doesn't know is that I'm really good at setting traps for trucks.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's almost the eventual sequel, Duel versus Kraven the Hunter.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Ugh, the king of traps.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_08]: What if this truck were going after Kraven the Hunter, the greatest trap artist?

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Trapper John M.D. could go after him?

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he's probably the second best trapper I know.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Young Thug is definitely one of our best trap artists.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't it crazy, David, to think, David—

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_08]: He could just go after the film trap.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I was waiting for Ben to drop in with that, yes.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the M. Night Shyamalan film trap.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so here's the film we're pitching. It's a legacy sequel to Duel.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Going off of a poster that exists that's not that famous.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Somehow the 40-ton truck has returned. The flammable truck itself.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, even though it blew up, it's back. Spoiler alert.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Somehow. And it has to fight a team of good guys represented by the butcher, Mr. Trap himself.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Kraven the Hunter.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_08]: What was the joke he made of a trap artist?

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Young Thug.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Young Thug.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Trapper John M.D.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And Trapper John M.D.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's the four.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the Mount Rushmore of trapping.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_08]: This is above all else a movie about trapping.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just not at all.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not at all.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why this is a terrible tangent to start a miniseries on.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_08]: The quotes were not good either.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_08]: It's not talking to you.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The quotes of this movie are like, what's the matter with this guy?

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Beep.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, ready?

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Let me try a quote.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Podcast.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_08]: That's pretty good.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_08]: That's me saying the word podcast in lieu of a horn.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We could also, we could always do a pickup later where it's like your inner monologue.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, sure.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Where you're thinking about.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, ready?

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Ready?

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's this.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Come on now.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Start the podcast.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a lot to talk about.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_08]: In the film Duel.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: As the sort of Brits might say.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Richard Duel.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Richard Duel.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_08]: This is Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm Griffin.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm David.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a podcast about filmographies.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_08]: blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Baby.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It is January 1st.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, no.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_08]: It's January 5th.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It's January 5th.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's the dawn of a new year.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_08]: And this year happens to be the 10th year of Blank Check.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_08]: This is the start of our 10th year.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_08]: What you're listening to is the beginning of our 10th year.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And thus we felt what better way to kick it off than with six year old unfinished business.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Now you guys can't complain anymore.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Now you have no grounds to complain.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_08]: There's nothing you can complain about anymore.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly not in 2025.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing to complain about out there.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_08]: The year where everything works.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm calling it right now.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_08]: You're calling it?

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I wish you wouldn't.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I think everything's gonna work in 2025.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_08]: All my ingenious traps I set.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, we're talking about.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's eight years ago, Griffin.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That we covered.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We did in 2017?

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It was in, it was, uh, the first episode was indeed January 2017.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So you know what's crazy?

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We were kicking off a certain presidency both times.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're gonna say?

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize it lined up that.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been eight years.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been eight long years.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Since we on this podcast covered the films of Steven Spielberg.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But last time, we threw a curveball.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We did.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And we started in the middle of his career.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We call it Spielberg the Dreamworks years.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know what we were doing back then.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We did what we were doing.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And we covered all of Steven Spielberg's films,

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: starting with The Lost World Jurassic Park,

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: going all the way through to what seemed like the crowning apex

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: final film he would ever make, the BFG.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: BFG!

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Since then, he's made like 18 more movies.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We've covered all of those.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But we've never covered everything leading up to Jurassic Park.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And Schindler's List.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, what better way to start off our 10th year than to say,

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I had always thought that Lost World, the Jurassic Park sequel,

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_08]: was his first film ever.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And we found out.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I recently found out that in fact,

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: the first half of his career was basically a series of the greatest successes

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_08]: any director has had.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's had a couple of hits in those 70s, 80s range for sure.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about them on...

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Go to the early 90s.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Blank check.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I said this already.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but the miniseries...

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: A miniseries titled...

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Podrassic Cast.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't remember.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Podrassic Cast.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Good for us.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: One more time.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, we're being run off the road for that title.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben informed us that it took 40 minutes to properly load the truck sounds into his soundboard.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I had to track down the right sounds.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's very important.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not just any kind of truck horn.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It's got to be the right one.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you're an artist, producer Ben.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_05]: A.K.A.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, boy.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_08]: No, here's what I'm going to do.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Just one of them.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Warhaz.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what?

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to do it.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: If you just did one every time.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: This is a thing I'm doing for year 10.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: 2025!

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Year of Ben has one nickname per episode.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's a nice way to look back and look forward.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I love that.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_08]: What is Ben's David Lynch name?

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Great question.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Huh.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Figure it out later.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: We're here to talk about the early-

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_08]: That will be how we end 2024.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Fine.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_08]: You will have heard it by this point.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The films of Steven Spielberg starting with this week's film, Jewel.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_08]: No, a bit of a controversial-

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Not really.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Start in terms of, there is some debate.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, have you watched the John Williams Disney Plus documentary yet?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He goes out of his way, Spielberg, to say my first movie, Sugar Land Express.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I understand because-

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think at the time, that's what it was.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That was his first cinematic release.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And we can dig into this a bit.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And back then they didn't have Peacock, you know, and Paramount Plus.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_08]: God, I can't even imagine.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The lines were not blurry.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, if you're a TV movie, well then that was on TV.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't get it.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Imagine what it must have been like to live through an era without Peacock.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Um-

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't even get to see supersized cuts of The Office.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't remember.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't remember.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank God I was born in the year 2020.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I never had to witness it.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I entered humanity just while I was getting-

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It is weird to think that my children were-

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they might-

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Peacock may not make it.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not trying to be rude to Peacock, but it could leave.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I shudder to think.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But they certainly arrived in a world with Peacock.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_08]: You have three post-Peacock children.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Insane.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a way to think about a demarcation of time.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_08]: It's been eight years since we covered Spielberg and five years since Peacock launched.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_08]: It's banned.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_08]: April 2020.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Even after the NBC logo.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I had no idea.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, the world was grieving.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: A global pandemic had us in its grips.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And NBCUniversal said we have the cure.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Peacock?

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_08]: There's no vaccine yet, but there is the vaccine for the soul.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's called Peacock.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great way to start what's probably one of our biggest series we've ever done.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Juul!

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And our 10th anniversary.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Podracic cast.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: David.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Had you seen Juul before?

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like you're saying Juul.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen her before?

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Where's she at?

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Her hands are small.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes she's in a boat.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're her own.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Famously lived in her car.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the joke.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: If that were true, I would have heard of that.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I've never seen this before.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I caught a little bit of it on TV.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I have this distinct memory of it and just being like, what the fuck is this?

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is so slow moving and very everyday interaction kind of.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It just was out of context.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It was really weird to just catch it on cable TV.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_08]: But was it not until you watched it in earnest for this podcast that you realized, oh, that's

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_08]: that thing I saw years ago?

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_08]: So at the time you were watching it, you did not know it was Steven Spielberg's first film.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Duel!

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We are certainly covering Duel, which yes, was made for television, but then did get years

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: later.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it got a theatrical release overseas back then.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And years later did get a small release in America too.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_08]: To kind of capitalize upon the Spielberg mania.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Who?

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we are certainly big.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We always planned if we ever returned to Steven's career for earlier on to lead off with Jewel.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Very fun movie about a guy driving a car who a guy driving a truck is mean to.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, we've covered this ground a little bit before in the history of the podcast where

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_08]: most TV movies of any quality would get theatrical releases overseas.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Because they didn't have televisions over there.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_08]: They said fireplaces.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Is that crazy?

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Peacock didn't exist until 2020.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Europe didn't get TV till 98.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Before then they just had the radio.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Those are just facts.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There would be the radio releases of movies.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Or TV shows.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Or someone would be like, this is happening now.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just describing it.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Something like Jericho Mile, the Michael Mann TV film that we covered on the show,

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and we cover as a bonus.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: If you made a really good TV movie like that.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_08]: They'd put it in theaters.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The Ewok movies got theatrical releases.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: The Battlestar Galactica pilot got a theatrical release.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I said, really good movies.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_08]: The best movies.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, we have a lot of international listeners, and sometimes they'll be like,

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_08]: why aren't you covering this as a legitimate film?

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It got a legitimate release here.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_08]: It was presented to us as a movie.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think for us, a lot of it is how was the thing intended?

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And its construction, its conception.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_08]: What did they think this was?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And Duel is this kind of odd example where, and we'll back up and we'll get into this

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: more in depth, but he makes this TV movie that's basically his second TV film.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Or I guess a third, in a way, we'll get into this.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_08]: But airs on TV, is kind of a smash success.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Almost immediately, there's a desire to release it in Europe.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It is 75 minutes long.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_08]: They're like, this is a little too short.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_08]: So he shoots new footage.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Basically 15 extra minutes.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_08]: So the cuts are not wildly different, but they are different.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_08]: They are different.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's a whole second round of shooting to kind of amp it up to theatrical level.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Him coming back to it even a little bit stronger as a filmmaker.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Then that goes to Europe and then eventually gets a theatrical release.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And since then, there's been ongoing debate of, do you count this as his first movie or not?

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm with you, David.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I think this counts as his first movie.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do prefer the TV cut.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that controversial?

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of just don't need the extra stuff.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Just leave me in the, you know, leave me, you know, tight, tight.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I like it tight.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We can get into this.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hate the extra stuff.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think you'd really need it.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you get the 4K steelbook?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't get the 4K steelbook.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm struggling.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a rookie.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You're struggling right now?

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just watching movies on my phone while I burp a child.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing my best over here.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what helped put those twins to sleep?

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_08]: A clean 4K transfer of Steven Spielberg's duel.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_08]: You're saying the movie's boring?

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm saying your twin sons would sense the relaxation that comes from being in the hands of a master.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Even at his earliest stages, they'd go, oh, this guy knows what he's doing.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He knows how to make a picture.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And immediately, honkshu, honkshu.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And what more soothing sound than the sound of a truck horn?

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I was watching it here in the office before we recorded, right?

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I got my 4K in here.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_08]: It looks incredible.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a beautiful transfer.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben, would you mind moving this chair a little bit so my remote signal can hit?

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Just move that chair a tiny bit.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_08]: This is the thing I want to show you because this caused a lot of controversy in the nerdiest corners of physical media online debate.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay?

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_08]: This beautiful 4K transfer.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_08]: A bukical 4K.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a bukical 4K transfer.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of people like you prefer the TV cut.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And they were like, okay, perfect 4K restoration really treated with respect of the theatrical cut of the movie.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And then they listed special features.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: There's the TV version.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_08]: That's included.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Great.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It says it's in HD.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: You have your options.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's not in 4K.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_08]: It's in HD.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Then you play this.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It is the worst AI, quote unquote, restoration.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It is basically unwatchable.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Let me see.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to fast forward to a point of movement so you can see this and we can get your reaction live.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But there's like...

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The car's moving.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I got some credits going here.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice car.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very nice car.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's like kind of a, you know...

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice car.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Evil truck.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Broken down old.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Plymouth or whatever it is.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_08]: You can see a little of how waxy it looks.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It does look a little shiny.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And it feels like they took a standard def file.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And wanted it to say it was HD.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_08]: So they like tried to upscale it.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_08]: But the way they did that was just...

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Ew.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, it looks very odd.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And it gets worse as it goes along.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It looks like it has some weird Photoshop filter on it.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: It does.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Like his face looks too smooth.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But then the outline of like the silhouette of his profile is really strong.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_08]: There's like a black line as if...

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It looks like it's like posterized.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Bit odd.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It gets worse as it goes along unsurprisingly as it like extends into proper action.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: What's going on here?

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's insane.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's what I'm almost like is our projector broken?

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's what it's making me think.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Look at the sign in the back.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like like we should like 3D glass.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Without glasses.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like there's Vaseline on it.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There's so weird.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: There's different problems every 30 seconds.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_08]: What the fuck is going on.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But it sucks because basically it's like this should exist in a valid form as its own valid.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean even if you just want to show it to me in you know just standard like TV.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Like fine.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_08]: This is my point.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_08]: It's genuinely better to just watch a shitty YouTube version of it than watch this.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Turn it off.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's keep it playing so we can give ourselves headaches.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_08]: David let's crack open the dossier.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait a second.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It's only one line and it says go watch the Fablements.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: JJ you are fired.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: No I'm going to open the dossier so we can talk about an under discussed figure in American

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: cinema.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Allen Spielberg Griffin.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You learn something new every day.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Michael Cera in Barbie.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He was Allen.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He was Allen.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Born December 18th 1946.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: What's his sign?

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course that would make him a Sagittarius.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh totally.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes so much sense.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So 1941 was a prequel.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He was.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: To his birth.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: To his birth.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Born in Cincinnati Ohio.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually apparently there's been some controversy over his birthday because it's often recorded

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: as happening in 1947.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is something that Spielberg I think sort of maybe helped massage the truth about

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to get out of a contract.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not important JJ.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he maybe pretending to be older when he started his career?

[00:16:59] He was pretending to be.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he used it.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He basically pretended to be a year younger to get a contract dismissed.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like he pretended to be.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Born to parents Arnold and Leah.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: To parents Paul Dano and Michelle Williams.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: JJ.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Big whiff on your part.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And Arnold of course.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Paul Dano went to high school with Leah's brother Bernie.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's how they knew each other.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They started dating after high school.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And Leah of course was a musician.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She went to the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Arnold was in the Air Force.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They got married after the war.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And Michelle Williams.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah was planning to be a concert pianist.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But she stopped doing it and had three, four kids.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven and three girls.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And Sue and Nancy.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course as we know they moved to New Jersey.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was like a tornado there.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was all very metaphorical.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually they ended up in Arizona.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know it was to get away from Seth Rogen.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was so sexy and hot.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Just doing the fable.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: In a non-threatening way.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: In a kind of a friendly way.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But still like there's a real tension there.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_08]: No I mean look.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_08]: There it's what JJ even reached out to us.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And was like do you guys mind if I spend more time than usual.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Trying to prepare this first dossier.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Because he was like it's actually harder for me to pin down.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_08]: The pre-movie career Spielberg story than I thought it would be.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think part of that is because he was kind of tight-lipped.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_08]: About his personal life.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Life.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Until more recently when he finally got into it.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Or no.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean there was a lot of him speaking in very general terms.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And then people inferring a lot from his films.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So there was like well clearly this guy never got over his parents divorce.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And then I feel like there was a lot of psychoanalyzing from him.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And then when they did the HBO documentary whatever that was.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like six or seven years ago.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I remember.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_08]: He started talking more openly about his relationship with his parents.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And his parents are in that documentary together.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Being very sweet with each other.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But right.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about obviously.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Seth Rogen and.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that one time she had the monkey and all that stuff.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And Seth Rogen was like why am I getting dragged into this?

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I never met the woman.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Impression fell apart really fast.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Really fell apart.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_08]: What the fuck.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I had it for like two seconds maybe.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Um.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Unearly memory of course.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_08]: But then Fablemans of course like.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Is the film he made.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Unpacks more of it.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_08]: But also we should watch Fablemans is a fictionalized movie.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_08]: It is.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_08]: It's.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It's.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_08]: It's consolidated.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's dramatized.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it's close.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because for example he remembers the first film he attended is The Greatest Show on Earth.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Where he.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Saw the circus on screen.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He was freaked out.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The train wreck.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy Stewart is the clown.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: As he puts it.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I was disappointed by everything after that.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't trust anybody.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I never felt life was good enough so I had to embellish it.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It begins his obsession with Hollywood storytelling.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: This is the thing that I think.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And certainly we've talked about a lot.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But uh.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Fableman's.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Provided such an effective codex for me.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And understanding him in a way I hadn't before.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Is like.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh the kind of like core truths of this guy are.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_08]: One.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_08]: He is like hypersensitive and feels things really deeply.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Two.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_08]: The only way he knows how to process those things is through filmmaking.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And three.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He is kind of scared by how effective he is at manipulating other people's emotions through filmmaking.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Um.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_08]: That his like prodigious gift is something he doesn't quite understand that he always feels a little guilty about.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of his parents obviously as well.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The two sides of Spielberg.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: His father.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The technician.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Precise.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Computer obsessed.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He was in that movie Ruby Sparks.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then his mother.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of the Dawson's Creek of the family in a way.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Artistic.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Used to date Eddie Brock.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a big failing of The Last Dance.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_08]: That she's just not in it or talked about.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Henry Scott should be in it.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_08]: There are a lot of problems with that movie but I put that chief among them.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even try.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: To address her absence.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg's mother's absence from Venom 3.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_08]: They don't.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: They're not mentioned.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry about Venom.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: David.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry about Venom.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg remembers at a young age his dad coming home with a transistor.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And showing it to his children and being like this is the future.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And Spielberg says that he took it and put it in his mouth and swallowed it.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And he remembers this as this kind of like confrontation.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was trying to be funny but it was very tense.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg says it's as if I was saying it's your future but it doesn't have to be mine.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is funny to think about because I do feel like Spielberg is seen as a cutting edge

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: filmmaker when it comes to technology.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For pretty much his whole career.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not like Spielberg is a guy who like takes a while to catch up to shit.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's usually breaking through some big barrier if he's making like a you know bigger scale

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: movie.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He's also talked a lot as an adult.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I think especially since his father passed away.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's felt more comfortable talking about his parents without fear of upsetting them.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Both his parents died at the age of like a billion.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they both have these like long lives which is great.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like his dad was 103 when he died.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And his mom was like 100?

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And like they were right.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Being a pioneer in terms of discovering the basic building blocks of the thing where he

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_08]: was one of the first people to understand it and know how to do it well but was like a

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_08]: little too late to be the groundbreakers and a little bit too early to be the people who

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_08]: knew how to evolve it.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And he just kind of became a journeyman computer guy.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_08]: In the field that then ultimately would end up like ruling the world.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He was born at the exact wrong time to just be a kind of like drone.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: A well-paid high level drone.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile his mother apart from appearing on Dawson's Creek is just like very energetic,

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: childlike.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He describes her as this kind of like you know musical person in all these ways and like

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you know kind of never grew up in a way and you know.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Just watch the Fable Woods.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I should also mention that on top of his dad being a computer genius.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Both parents also by the way just say like Stephen intense kid.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like as much as he has mythologists parents so much they're both like he was really

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was a really intense kid and kind of tough to wrap your brain around.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_08]: This is what I'm saying about like the whole slam on Spielberg for a long time that we

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sure will comment on as we like read the reviews and such at the time these.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Wildly successful films got released right is he's like Peter Pan syndrome overgrown child

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_08]: doesn't engage with adult world is just making hollow entertainment.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like a slick showman but he's like dumbing down culture and this guy is like avoiding

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: adulthood in reality.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think once again the movie the Fablements makes it very clear that part of this complex

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: is that he was like brought into an adult world prematurely and burdened with like his

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: parents problems in a way that I think kind of bifurcated him right in one way he's like

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_08]: too aware of the adult world from too young an age and then feels the need to escape and

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: look back and all this other stuff.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But it also feels like he was a kid who felt things way too intensely as a child was very

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_08]: burdened by like you know a sort of like fear of reality.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And it makes sense that like the ability to control the universe around him and make these

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_08]: stories that are these ecstatic expressions of emotions in sort of novel entertaining ways

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_08]: isn't avoidance as much as it's as I was saying before processing.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Griffin?

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[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Moe, moe, moe.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Merry movies.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, you know, he was intense.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stories about it.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, in 1957, you watch the Fablements.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: They moved to Arizona.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg says his most formative time.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's lived there from the age of nine to 16.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah, his mom, sorry, Michelle, doesn't want to move there.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Sees in a bit of a barren wasteland.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I mentioned also.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's really struggling at that point.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_08]: His dad's best friend was dating a porn star next door and it turned out that he has a surprisingly large penis.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: What movie is that?

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Girl next door.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_08]: But who?

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought if I said next door.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_08]: The Paul Dano character.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, right.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, I forgot he's in that.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: His character's name is Clitz.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that movie in 20 years.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I regret to inform you it's a 10 out of 10 masterpiece.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that right?

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Is that so?

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_08]: You know who endorses that take?

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_08]: One Steven Spielberg.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he loves the girl next door?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Actually loves the girl next door.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_08]: He likes Luke Greenfield's the whatever.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote Luke Greenfield a letter when he watched it.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: When he moves to Arizona, what does Spielberg get his hands on?

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: A camera.

[00:29:31] A camera.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: A movie camera.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Filming trains crashing together and his mom dancing around.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Taking control of his own universe.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Documenting.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Reconstructing.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Reverse engineering.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_08]: All of it.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the tool for him to make sense of everything.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: His family was Jewish, but what he calls storefront kosher.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think probably similar.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Can we double check that?

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think probably similar to the family my mom grew up in where it's like, you know, they

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: were a Jewish family.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They went to, you know, they did all this stuff.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But they were also this like very American post-war family that was trying to assimilate.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, my dad's family was incredibly similar.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_08]: But this is also a time.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You get your bar mitzvah, you go to synagogue, you keep kosher in the sort of like, you know,

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like straightforward way, not in like the mega intense way.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_08]: The post-World War II thing of like Jews wanting to be American above all else.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But they're never going to overcome being perceived as Jewish above all else by everyone

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_08]: else around them.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Comes up in The Fablemans a couple times.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Good movie.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Check it out.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to put footnotes on this episode and the episode notes that are just watch The

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Fablemans 27 times.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: When you read so much of this stuff is kind of like, LOL, watch The Fablemans.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He had a bully who treated him like shit when he was like 13 years old.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And he cast him at that age in a war movie he made called Escape to Nowhere because he

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: would make all these little movies with his friends.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And like that won the kid over.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So Spielberg is using the power of movies to, you know, be friends with people.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: In The Fablemans, the bullying is they call him Bagelman, right?

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And they put a bagel in his locker.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And when we did that episode, we were discussing like, what do you think the actual thing was

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_08]: they were saying to Spielberg?

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think JJ dug up that it was Spielberg that used to make fun of him for looking like

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_08]: a bug.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Damn.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: So then he brundle-flied their ass.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He did.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He went into a teleporter.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He went to his dad and he's like, you know who's good at that computer stuff?

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Doop doop.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: As he's a teenager, he has some family in the LA area.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Sneaks onto the Warner Brothers lot.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Sees the making of the movie PT-109, which I think is the dramatization of a...

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The Cliff Roberts and JFK.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: J.F. John Kennedy's war service.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: A pretty solid movie.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: In 1963, he gets brought onto the Universal lot by Chuck Silvers, who will be important

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: later.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In 1964, he makes a feature-length movie called Firelight.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He premieres it at a theater in Phoenix.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he, you know, makes 500 bucks or whatever.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole story about it.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_08]: It's listed two and a half hours long.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_08]: No one...

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It has never been publicly consumable?

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not viewable except for some little snippet that he's made public.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's the story...

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is right when his parents divorce.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Michelle moves back east.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Or...

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: No, they moved to California and that's when the divorce happens.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Had talked about wanting to do a Spielberg Shorts episode on Patreon.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_08]: It feels like Amblin is the only one of them that's properly watchable, which is basically

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_08]: his last short film before he becomes a professional director.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I always thought they were more out there because you'd sometimes see clips of them played

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_08]: in, like, documentaries and retrospectives and stuff, but he doesn't let the full versions

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: out there.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: There's also the weird, very Fablemans-esque sort of origin story of he asked two film-obsessed

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_08]: kids in his neighborhood once he was successful in the 80s and 90s who were making their own

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_08]: films.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, can you work on restoring my old Super 8 films, which Spielberg retained?

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And those two kids, I believe, were Matt Reeves and J.J. Abrams?

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_08]: That is true.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_08]: They've, like, sifted through his, you know...

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_08]: So these things have been, like, restored and preserved, but Spielberg doesn't let people

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_08]: see them.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yet.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yet.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so he moves to California.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where he was the most bullied, but it's also where he gets the most into movie

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: making and stuff.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he wanted to go to USC or UCLA, which are the big film schools out there back then,

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: especially.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, doesn't get in because he has bad grades.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, he goes to California State College at Long Beach, which does have, like, some film

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: courses, but isn't really anything so, you know, robust enough.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So he just starts sneaking onto the lot.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He starts working, uh, as a production assistant on the John Cassavetes film Faces.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: A big, kind of turning point for him.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He's watching how Cassavetes treats the cast, you know?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he's obviously seeing one of the great American filmmakers work.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's very interesting.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So then he...

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_08]: But he's also seeing, like, the, one of the great American filmmakers figure out his style

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_08]: and his style is trying to tear down...

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_08]: How movies are, right?

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_08]: The sort of workman-like Hollywood thing.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_08]: He's seeing the actual guts of the process of everything.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, he...

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And there are varying stories about, like, did Cassavetes fire him?

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Did Spielberg quit?

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, Cassavetes, by all accounts, kind of took a liking to him.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And said some impactful words to him.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And the story gets, like, muddy in terms of what exactly happened.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But it felt like Cassavetes clocked that Spielberg had a lot going on in his head

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_08]: and seemed to have a lot of gumption and drive.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he tries to make a little bicycling drama called Slipstream.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Meets Alan Daviau on that movie, who will shoot a lot of great Spielberg films.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But they never finished it.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, then he makes Amblin, a 26-minute film that he shot on 35mm.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that is sort of his turning point where he presents that.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We will, we're actually going to cover it.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can see that one.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll cover that on the Patreon very soon.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: January 11th.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right in a few days.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But he presents that and gets a deal at Universal, essentially.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_08]: That short is him basically intentionally trying to make something that can be a proof of concept,

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_08]: sell real.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, it's him trying to level up from his childhood short films.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: To, like, this is a calling card.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't get an Oscar nomination for best short.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Something of a snub.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's well regarded.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Goes to Sidney Seinberg.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Of course, names his company after, eventually.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, he does.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he goes to Sidney Seinberg, who is the VP of Television Production at Universal.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically the most powerful person he has any connection to through this, uh, Silvers guy.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_08]: The Silvers guy is the guy that Greg Grunberg plays in Fablemans, who was...

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry, I'm sorry.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_08]: His name is Greg Grunberg.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm seeing him.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_08]: But am I wrong about that?

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I think you're right.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_08]: The guy who worked on Hogan's Heroes, who was like a distant relative of his.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he goes to meet with Sid.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, Sid's like, well, what do you want to do?

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: How would you like to go to work professionally?

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's basically like, sign this contract.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll do some television.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: If you do a few TV shows, maybe you can make a feature film.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of apocryphal stories for...

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He says a seven-year contract with Universal.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_08]: A long time of Spielberg literally like sneaking onto the lot and holing up in an abandoned office.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He put his name on an abandoned office.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_08]: The Catch Me If You Can-ass thing, which I think I repeated in Catch Me If You Can episode we recorded eight years ago.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_08]: But it sounds like a lot of that was overstated, that Spielberg was himself trying to, I don't know, blow up the mythology...

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_08]: ...of his early beginnings and make it sound...

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was a sort of Leonardo DiCaprio-esque rapscallion.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Who was banging broads and...

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Much like the real Frank Abagnale.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Kind of probably made some of that shit up.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He was like sneaking his way into a prodigious start, but also then told a story that was even more extreme than the reality.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So, what does he work on?

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He works on a little short called Eyes for NBC's Night Gallery, which is a Rod Serling sort of follow-up to Twilight Zone.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It's What If Spooky Art Gallery and every piece of art inspired.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll cover that on the Patreon.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: But the pilot of Night Gallery is like a 90-minute, airing in a two-hour block, three 30-minute segments.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And one of them is Spielberg's first official studio directing job.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Which he made with Joan Crawford.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: A legendary Hollywood figure.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And he says, she treated me like I knew what I was doing and I didn't, so I loved her for that.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So they had a nice time.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But he thought Rod Serling's script was bad as much as he loves Rod Serling.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, it was not his best work.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd agree with that, but it also...

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of looked at the script and went to Scheinberg and was like,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, can I do something about young people, not like an old lady?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And Scheinberg was like, take the job.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Just do work.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_08]: As much as it's not one of Sterling's best scripts, and we'll talk about this on Patreon,

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_08]: it is kind of a perfect piece for Spielberg to just test out his visual language.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Which, famously, Joan Crawford called MCA, Lou Wasserman, the head of Universal, and said like,

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: this nice young man directed me just now.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I am Joan Crawford and I want to say, I thought he had a lot of talent.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just fascinating.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, Crawford being in this is kind of a like last rung on the ladder before like death,

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of like how the mighty have fallen kind of thing.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, sure.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But what happened to so many of these...

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She would have been like the late 60s.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I mean, so many of the classic movie stars would retire when they were like 50 or 60

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_08]: and spend the last 15 or 20 years of their life not working.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you did work, by and large, you'd end up being like TV guest star kind of things like this.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_08]: And it felt like, you know, they're making a big deal out of like, we got this person,

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_08]: but it does feel like they're sort of a relic in a museum to a certain extent.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_08]: But like she has enough legendary status that even though her career doesn't have a ton of weight,

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_08]: her calling these studio heads and similar people and saying like,

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I just worked with this kid and he's got the goods.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Does make everyone take notice?

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet he kind of struggles to pick another project or get something else done after that.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Supposedly, he wanted to make a movie about Thomas Crapper,

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the inventor of the flush toilet.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Based on a book called Flush with Pride, the story of Thomas Crapper.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: His agent says, absolutely not.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry, Ben, can we pause the recording quickly just so I can personally option the rights of that book?

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_08]: If we could just hold for five minutes.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Y'all know about Thomas Crapper?

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I fucking didn't.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_08]: You didn't?

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Guess what?

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm ready to formally announce that I will be directing Crapper, the Thomas Crapper story.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, people think that Thomas Crapper is the reason, is like the etymology of the word crap.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently that's like not true and like the word crap has existed.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like old English to mean like kind of, you know, whatever, something like rubbishy.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So was him-

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: For like millennia or whatever.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Creating the flushable toilet, basically him trying to take back the word.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, maybe that was it.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_08]: People, kids have been mocking me my whole life.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Guess what I'm going to do?

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to be the one who gets rid of crap faster than you've ever seen.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Um-

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That crap is gone.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Another thing he starts working on is The Sugar Land Express, a film that he will eventually make,

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's not, we're talking late 60s at this point.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes to Sid Sheinberg and says, can I go write?

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: No one wants me anyway.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Write some movies.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_08]: We should say he does another segment in that first season of Night Gallery.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess so.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm telling you.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just not mentioned to you.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just telling you for a fact he did.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that came later then?

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm trying to understand what this kind of, uh, you know, pause that he went on

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: is.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's really complaining about-

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that wasn't until 71.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a little later.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes off and he writes some stuff.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote apparently a dogfight movie, like a World War II movie.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote a comedy about life in the Catskills.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Love to see that.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_08]: It was also called Crapper.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote something called Ace Eli.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Funny.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And Roger of the Skies, which does exist and he has a story credit on.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Never seen it.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Um.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like JJ texted me about this if I had ever seen it before because it's like one

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: of the only-

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like an adventure movie with Cliff Robertson again.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_08]: About a pilot.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, I feel like Spielberg has gone out of his way to distance himself from it to

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_08]: the extent that I had never heard about it until JJ texted me about it.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He disowns whatever the movie was.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, it's barely, you know, I got a story by credit because that's how it goes,

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but they had changed it by the time they made it.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he comes back to Universal and then he does an episode, another segment of Night Gallery.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Some TV shows.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Marcus Well, BMD.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: A psychiatrist.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: An episode of this show called The Name of the Game called LA 2017 that you've been

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to find-

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Now, this is the thing I love.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It used to be on YouTube in full.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It's now seemingly gone.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we'll hunt around for it.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Taken down by Universal.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_08]: But The Name of the Game was a weird, uh, sort of, I think they call it a carousel show

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_08]: that was this old format that used to exist to lure more substantial stars into doing television

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_08]: without the commitment of doing 22 episode seasons.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_08]: They design a show where it's like, it has three different leads and it cycles between

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_08]: a couple different casts.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_08]: So each of these stars only has to do seven or eight episodes a season, right?

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's already this show that's not an anthology, but is a little like piecemeal like that.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And then there is just this one episode that Spielberg directed that's ostensibly a complete

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_08]: standalone, basically outside of a framing device, has nothing to do with the rest of the

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_08]: series and is just a weird dystopian future movie.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_08]: It is the first feature length thing he ever directed.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It was 75 minutes long.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's called LA 2017.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It rules.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_08]: You've seen it.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I've seen it.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I saw when it, because it went up on YouTube a couple of years ago and people were like,

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: this is kind of secretly Spielberg's first movie.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Cool.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's a little lost time.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_08]: That show just is kind of completely forgotten.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_08]: It's never been released on DVD or streaming or rentable digitally or any of that stuff.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And there was this one YouTube video that now Universal has taken down.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he also directed the first regular season episode of Columbo, not the pilot,

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: as people sometimes, you know, the pilot had already been made, but it's the first episode

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: once Columbo goes to a series.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, of course, called Murder by the Book.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Similarly, 75 minutes.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like, that's the...

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Future Linkfish, but it's a Columbo.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_08]: It's TV movies that will air within a 90-minute block.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And Duel was intended to be the same kind of thing.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: When he's hired to shoot his episode of Columbo, Oscar-winning cinematographer Russell

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Medi, who had shot Spartacus, and I think was a bit of a hard ask because he followed Kubrick

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: on that movie, who Kubrick famously easy to get along with, said, he's a kid.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Does he get a milk and cookie break?

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the diaper truck going to interfere with my generator?

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, funny.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Pretty funny.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_07]: It's pretty funny.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But, genuinely, he impresses people.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When he works on these TV shows, he kind of just blows people away.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Falk said, like, we had some good fortune making Columbo, like our first episode was

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: directed by fucking Steven Spielberg.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously not famous then, but now you're kind of like, dang.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_08]: David?

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah?

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: You know for a fact that's not how he said it.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's face it.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_08]: We had some good fortune at the beginning.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: David.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Just commit a little harder.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do Falk.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you had some good luck.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Fucking Steven Spielberg.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know why my Falk sounds like the oldest version of Bob Dylan.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing he remembers...

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: One more thing.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing Falk remembers is that, like, they're shooting one scene where he approaches someone

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: on the street.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They shoot it, and he's like, where's the camera?

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And Spielberg is, like, he realizes, like, across the street with a long lens.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you know, that's not something you did on television.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's this fucking TV show.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Time to make the donuts.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg considers his best work to have been an episode of The Psychiatrist.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_07]: So maybe we need to watch the...

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say we need to devote episode time to it, but maybe we should watch it.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a job, though.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Making these TV shows is a job.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an art form for him.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the passion.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he's, you know, the stories are more schematic.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He has to work in a tight schedule and all that.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He really wants to make movies.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: On to Duel.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Richard Matheson, famous writer.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you call him a famous writer?

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what else would he call him?

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Legendary writer?

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is pretty legendary in that he wrote I Am Legend.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: This is true.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Heard of it?

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_08]: This whole generation of guys who were, like, incredible short story writers would write

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_08]: longer-length things as well, but, like, incredible short story writers who went to Hollywood.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, the day that JFK was assassinated, he was golfing, and he drives home, and he

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: gets harassed by a big truck.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And this experience...

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The second most tragic thing that happened that day.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This experience has him write down on, like, the back of an envelope, like, story idea, truck chases man on highway.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_08]: But that's how all these guys worked, where they were just like, you just fucking sit at the typewriter every day and you write 8,000 pages.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, any half idea, you sell it to Playboy.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Which, this original story ran in Playboy magazine.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He pitches it to, you know, TV people.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: They think it's a little too limited, not enough there.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He gives up on it, writes it as a short story.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: In?

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh...

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh...

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Playboy magazine.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I only read Playboy for the, um, naked pictures, so I never noticed the article.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the problem.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um...

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, Playboy magazine has words in it.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: As someone who, I will confess...

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: ...has never really read an issue of Playboy.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know the old joke was, I read it for the articles, right?

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And Playboy had genuinely great journalism and all that.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it, like, kind of just at the back of the magazine?

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Or was it kind of interspersed?

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Interspersed.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Or, like...

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben doesn't know.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When I was, like, uh...

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: When I was in high school...

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a penthouse guy.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I just was...

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I was born after one fucking red spanky magazine.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I also think by the time we were growing up, Playboy was...

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The articles had less juice to them.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_08]: But I think Playboy, even in the 90s, would still have these glitzy writers and...

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we have, like, Leonard Maltin doing, like, serious interviews of people and shit.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Um...

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh...

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_08]: When I was in high school, uh...

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh...

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Lola Kirk, past and future guest on this show...

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh...

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Was like, you're a horny boy.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm giving you a vintage issue of Playboy for birth...

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Your birthday as a present.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_08]: For birthday.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_08]: For birthday.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I had one vintage issue of Playboy that I hid in my closet.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Nice.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_08]: That I remember having, uh...

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_08]: A multi-page Lainey Kazan spread.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Where I was like, this is kind of weird to look through when...

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh...

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_08]: My Big Fat Greek Wedding's only, like, two years out of theaters.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Um...

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_08]: But that was, like, a 60s issue of Playboy.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_08]: That I would leaf through and genuinely go, like, oh, this did actually used to have good

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: articles.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm sure it did.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_08]: It felt more, like...

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Including Richard Matheson's Duel.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It felt like New Yorker with, like, nudie spreads and some hornier shit.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:48:21] Yes.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so it goes into Playboy.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And people notice it.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Bochco?

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Bochco?

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Bochco.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Bochco.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Famous TV writer.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Is like, this should be a movie.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Brings it to the attention of a TV producer.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: ABC...

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Universal has a deal with ABC to make, you know, TV movies.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, these slots existed of just, like, TV movie of the week, and they're making tens

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_08]: of TV movies every year.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So they're looking for old things that could be remade for TV, rip from the headline stories,

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_08]: short stories, original scripts from budding writers.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_08]: There's just, like, there are slots to fill.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_08]: TV movies are going to get made.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_05]: When are they programmed?

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Primetime.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, primetime, yeah.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Movie of the week, right?

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_08]: All these channels would have their own movie of the week slot, and they'd be competitive

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_08]: slots, you know?

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_08]: It'd be like, one network airs a movie every Monday night at 8 or whatever.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_08]: They'd be among the highest rated things.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_08]: But it also was kind of like a way to establish a farm team, you know?

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_08]: To, like, test out new directors and writers and things like that, to test out new stars.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Also, like, stars they had under contract on long-running shows who were frustrated

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_08]: being pigeonholed into one role.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like, oh, we'll let you do a TV movie.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_08]: You stay under our umbrella, and you get to flex some other side of yourself.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So, it makes its way to Spielberg.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: His secretary at the time, Nona, Nona Tyson.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Nona Tyson.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Throws a playboy in front of him.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg says he starts laughing.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, don't look at the girls.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Read this short story.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's right up your alley.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We should note that also, at one point, Spielberg met with David Lynch,

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and David Lynch told him the horizon needs to be this way or that way.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And all that stuff happened as well.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: No, he...

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a two-year-old David Lynch.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess he was 25, whatever.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's into it.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He calls someone up and is like, I want to do this.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk to you about it.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He calls up the producer, George Eckstein.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: George Eckstein sees him as...

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He was known, Spielberg at the time, as Scheinberg's folly, right?

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: What was ABC thinking or Universal thinking?

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Hiring this child to this long contract,

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and now he's not doing much, right?

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He does...

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Eckstein needs a director, so he's like, all right,

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: come in for a meeting, Spielberg shows him some of the Columbo episode,

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Eckstein's like, you'll do, essentially.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We need somebody.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Initially, he's like, can we have no dialogue?

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, can it truly be silent?

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, at a certain point,

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: ABC is like, there's not enough room for this kind of arty stuff,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: but, you know, like, no, we can't do that.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie might be even cooler with no dialogue.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly no internal dialogue.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I make my case?

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of what's added for the theatrical cut

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_08]: are a lot of the, like, dialogue interludes

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_08]: of him interacting with other people.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Him calling his wife.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Some of, like, the gas station stops and shit like that.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Obviously not the bar scene, right?

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like,

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and I'm happy that Spielberg has not gone back

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and recut this movie,

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_08]: but I'm sort of like,

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_08]: it makes sense that they insisted on putting

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_08]: the certain amount of voiceover internal monologue stuff in here

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_08]: because they were just like,

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_08]: you cannot have this be completely wordless.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_08]: In the version that has a couple dialogue scenes added,

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, if you then took out the voiceover,

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_08]: that's probably the perfect version of this movie.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think there's nothing in the voiceover and stuff that

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: really tells you anything you don't already know.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I agree with that.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's also just because

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_08]: you could get why on a writing level

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_08]: they were like,

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_08]: there needs to be some dialogue to keep people hooked.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_08]: What they couldn't have counted for

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_08]: is you're dealing with perhaps

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_08]: the greatest visual storyteller of his generation.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: A guy who can figure out how to convey all of this

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_08]: just in images and editing.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So like everything that's being said in the internal monologue,

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_08]: he as,

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_08]: he's 24 at this point?

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_08]: 23?

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_08]: How old is he?

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_08]: When he makes Duel,

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the film came out early,

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, it'd be like 22.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: 22, yeah.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You could just be like,

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_08]: if you're fucking Scheinberg or whoever,

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_08]: you're like,

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_08]: kid, there has to be some dialogue in this.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And even just,

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_08]: it's airing on TV with commercial breaks and whatever.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_08]: People are going to turn off the TV.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_08]: As you said,

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_08]: you're like flipping through the channels you see

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and you're like,

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_08]: what the fuck is this?

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Within that context,

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_08]: it makes sense.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Once you've opened this thing up

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_08]: and let it breathe

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and you're like,

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_08]: we're going to play it in a theater

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_08]: and we can air it out,

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_08]: every single thing that's happening

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_08]: visually underneath the voiceover parts

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_08]: completely conveys what the voiceover is saying.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say,

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree with you.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the perfect version.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But I would say

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_05]: what really puts it over the edge for me

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_05]: is if there was a moment

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_05]: where it freezed on the truck

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: and then it said,

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_05]: truck is meanest

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and then it froze on the Pontiac

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and it said like,

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Pontiac says good is.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben,

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_08]: one trillion comedy points.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's another thing,

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben,

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_08]: in terms of just like

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_08]: what the ecosystem was

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_08]: for this sort of like

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_08]: TV movie of the week culture.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He was given 10 days to shoot this.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He went over.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It was 13 days.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And as a result of him

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_08]: taking the extra three days,

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_08]: he only had 10 days

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_08]: to deliver a cut to them.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, man.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the turnaround on these things

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_08]: because there just was one airing every week

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_08]: was as if it was

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_08]: a TV show episode.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Basically.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Even though these were running

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_08]: as separate productions

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_08]: and they had their own stop and start

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and they weren't part of the factory line

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_08]: of an ongoing series,

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_08]: it was like,

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_08]: you delivered this to us

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_08]: in like less than a month

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_08]: from the moment we hire you.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Spielberg wants Gregory Peck.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_01]: An icon for him.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Peck says no.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Not surprising.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Spielberg knows

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that if he'd gotten Peck,

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe this could have leapt

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to the big screen.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly he would have gotten

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: more than 10 days.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not interested.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It also makes sense

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_08]: with his Joan Crawford history

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_08]: that he's starting

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_08]: to like strategize about like,

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I can gain some heat

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_08]: from proving myself

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: to these legendary stars

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_08]: in their autumn years.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they'll call people for me.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_08]: They'll see that I respect them

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_08]: and that I know what I'm doing

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and then they'll endorse me

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_08]: and whatever.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh,

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but I feel like Weaver,

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Weaver,

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: who they cast.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Is perfect.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because you need someone

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_01]: who's a little nebbishy

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and kind of ground down.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's Gregory Peck

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: being like,

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: there's goddamn trucks

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in my way.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like,

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: no one's gonna fuck with him.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Like George C. Scott.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, like,

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: raah!

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Weaver's characterization

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_08]: is fascinating

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_08]: because this is a thing

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_08]: that like to its credit

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_08]: is not telling you

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_08]: too much about this guy.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And yet Weaver's performance

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_08]: is really specific

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_08]: where it doesn't feel like

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_08]: he's just a stand-in.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And yet there are certain things

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_08]: about him

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_08]: that are a little hard

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_08]: to pin down.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, for sure.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_08]: You're like,

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_08]: it's like a weird combination

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_08]: of like a little arrogant

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and glib,

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_08]: but also kind of like

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_08]: nebbishy put upon.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_01]: does this guy have an anger thing

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: or is he kind of right?

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: A pushover?

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit of a pushover

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: who's like...

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like both at the same time

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_08]: in Oscillation,

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_08]: which means that

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_08]: he's really compelling to watch

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_08]: because you kind of

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_08]: don't know how he's gonna react

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_08]: in any given moment.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Now,

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Weaver,

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it was on

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: a little TV show

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: called Gunsmoke,

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: which is the,

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: at the time,

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like longest fucking running

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: thing ever,

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_08]: right?

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And Simpsons is now

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_08]: like gone 20 years past.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But more recently,

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: he had sort of had

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: a bit of a revival

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: on this show,

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: McCloud,

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: which I have never seen,

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's an NYPD cop show

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's like...

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that Darren McGavin?

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh,

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Dennis Weaver.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's McCloud.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But,

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: okay,

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: why do I think Darren McGavin

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: was on the show as well?

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Darren McGavin...

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Weaver was McCloud.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Weaver was McCloud.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Darren McGavin,

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you're thinking of is

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Hammer?

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Who could fucking say,

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: honestly?

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: McCloud is,

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like he's like

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: an old kind of cowboy

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_01]: type cop from New Mexico.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's in New York.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's probably always like,

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: did a cow do this?

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like,

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: no,

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it's New York City,

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: baby.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Beep,

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: beep.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I assume that's

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_01]: what the vibe was.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It actually sounds like

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_08]: prime for a fucking reboot.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Kind of does.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Why are people not

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_08]: fighting over the McCloud?

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Like Yellowstone in New York.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, yeah.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like modern day

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: McCloud would kill.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg likes Dennis Weaver,

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: who's got a little juice

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: because of McCloud,

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's in

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Touch of Evil.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Touch of Evil.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As the sort of

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: sniveling night watchman.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the motel attendant.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of like,

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe we can get a little

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of that energy in here.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The twitchy,

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of nervous,

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Weaver says,

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: his agent called him

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and said,

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: they're going to send you

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a script,

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: say yes before you even read it.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And Weaver was like,

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: what?

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But then he got the script

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was like,

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: yep,

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was hard

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to shoot this movie for him

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's all him driving

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and very little dialogue.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It also just bears repeating.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot of him going like,

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_02]: what the fuck?

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Should I get over?

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_08]: David's doing an incredible

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_08]: performance right now.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_08]: It just bears repeating.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I know everyone listening

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_08]: probably knows this,

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_08]: but the Rio Grande line

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_08]: between television and film

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_08]: was so fucking thick

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_08]: at this point.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_08]: it was just,

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_08]: in terms of like,

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_08]: the class and esteem

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_08]: associated with the two,

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and especially for any actor,

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_08]: you really had to be strategic

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_08]: in these moves

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_08]: of like,

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_08]: which one are you?

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_08]: If people started in film

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_08]: and then went to TV,

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_08]: it would be hard for them

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_08]: to make their way back.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_08]: You know,

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and if you're a guy

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_08]: who is like,

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_08]: doing smaller parts

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_08]: in film,

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_08]: but then became

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_08]: a leading man on TV,

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: you know,

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: it's like,

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_08]: is doing a TV movie

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_08]: doubling down?

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_08]: All this shit.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a pretty peacock world.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_08]: That's an easier way

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: of putting it.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They look at a lot of cars.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Casting the cars

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: is kind of the biggest thing

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: they have to do.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: 71 Plymouth Valiant

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and a 1951 Peterbilt

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: for the truck.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: customized the truck,

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think,

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to make it look

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: a little scarier.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all crudded up

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_01]: with brown paint.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: By customizing,

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: do you mean

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: they just threw dirt on it?

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They put bugs

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_01]: all over the windshield.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They put

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: some tanks

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: on the doors,

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think,

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to make it kind of

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: have more of a face.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so they wanted it

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to look like a monster.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: This truck looks perfect.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks incredible.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that truck's vibe.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It also says, like,

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: flammable on it or whatever.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like,

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_08]: This is conjecture

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_08]: on my part.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I admit this.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Dennis Weaver

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_08]: is the star

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_08]: of a great

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Twilight Zone episode.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Which one?

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_08]: It's called Shadow Play.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard of that one.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a guy trying to avoid

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_08]: the electric chair.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And just knowing

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_08]: how influential

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Twilight Zone was

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_08]: for Spielberg

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and Weaver

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_08]: is in kind of

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_08]: a similar position

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_08]: in that.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_08]: A guy who's trying

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_08]: to, like,

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_08]: figure out his way

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_08]: out of a seeming

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_08]: inevitability of death.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I could see that

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: also being another thing

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: that factored

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_08]: into the suit for him.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_08]: David?

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes?

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I just heard something

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_08]: mind-blowing.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_08]: My mind is blown.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_08]: What's going on?

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Netflix?

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Have you heard of them?

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, of course.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_08]: They have more than

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_08]: 18,000 titles globally.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's impressive.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, but what?

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Only 6,000 of those

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_08]: are available

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_08]: in the U.S.

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Ah.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_08]: You're missing out

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: on all those shows, Griffin.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the problem.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The overseas shows.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all kind of hidden.

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[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: ExpressVPN.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: based on your location.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: All the streamers do.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_08]: to think you're located.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, I understand

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_08]: some frustration sometimes

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_08]: for people who listen to this show.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_08]: We go through careers in order.

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[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a movie.

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[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We tend to focus on the

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[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And sometimes, look,

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[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Have you watched anything, Griffin?

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you have any examples?

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_08]: One to two, maybe?

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, look,

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to spoil,

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: but our next miniseries

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_08]: has a director

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_08]: whose stuff is really hard to find.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Several films are just weirdly gone.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Not on any streaming service.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Not rentable legally

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_08]: through digital platform.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And then suddenly I'm going like,

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_08]: oh, well, well,

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Disney Plus in Belarus

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_08]: is looking pretty nice about now.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_08]: That is fascinating.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Listen, here's what I think.

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[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Stop paying full price

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[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_08]: David,

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[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Box Office Poison.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to tell the story

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of six films

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that were notorious

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: financial disasters

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[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's visionary.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you're fancy.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, it was very fancy.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It's based on the...

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tim Roby.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well,

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_08]: what did you go ahead and say?

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I...

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We're mutuals on Twitter.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Roby,

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the film critic

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: for The Telegraph in the UK.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote a book

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: called Box Office Poison.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So we got host

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Rico Gagliano

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: using his research to...

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Roby's research, yeah.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: ...to tell some wild stories

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: about these films

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and their rise

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and their fall

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and their rise.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the movies?

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's a good list.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's some movies

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_08]: we've covered on this show

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_08]: and some favorites of ours

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_08]: that we have not covered.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorcerer.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We will cover one day.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Babe Pig in the City.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_08]: We have covered.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Sylvia Scarlet.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_08]: We're not sure about that one.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_08]: The Hudsucker Proxy.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_08]: We'll probably cover one day.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_08]: One of my all-time favorite movies.

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Synecdoche, New York.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I think we'll cover it.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_08]: A mutual favorite of ours.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I think we'll get there.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And Speed Racer.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_08]: We covered it.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Guests include

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_08]: master cinematographer

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Roger Deakins.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Ah.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Oscar-nominated actor

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_08]: James Cromwell.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_08]: That'll do.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Legendary screenwriter

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Hualan Green.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_08]: SFX pioneer John Gaeta.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Love that guy.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Critic and podcaster

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Karina Longworth.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Good friend of the show.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Past and future guests.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Movie star

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Rebecca Hall.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Be still my heart.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: UK comic genius

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Jamie Dimitru.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_08]: He's all over the place.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And Tim Robey himself.

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Very good.

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Six episodes

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_08]: released weekly

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_08]: on Thursdays

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_08]: from November 14th

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_08]: until December 19th.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And don't forget

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: to stream great movies

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[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Like Andrew Arnold's Bird

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_08]: now streaming

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_08]: on Mubi.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Now they

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_08]: phrase it here

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_08]: as the long-awaited

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_08]: return to fiction filmmaking.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's been eight years.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And the last film

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_08]: she made,

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_08]: scripted feature-length film,

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_08]: she made

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_08]: was your favorite film

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_08]: that year?

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: 2016,

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Blanky,

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: David Sims winner,

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: American Honey,

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: best picture for me.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Great movie.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She also made Fish Tank,

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: which I feel like

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people have seen.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: She made Red Road.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She made Wuthering Heights.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And her new movie

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: is Bird.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tender

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and compelling

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and beautifully surprising

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: coming-of-age fable

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: about life

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in the fringes

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of contemporary society.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of her strong suit.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's absolutely right.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: She finds very interesting

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: ways to explore

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: right communities

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you might not see

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: on film as often.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what's another

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_08]: thing I love about Mubi?

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: They,

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_08]: in their copy,

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_08]: for the first time

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: have answered for me

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_08]: definitively

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_08]: how to pronounce

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: the name

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: of the star.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_08]: This film with its

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_08]: buzzy cast

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_08]: features

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Barry

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Keown.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't say the G.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You might know him

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: from Saltburn

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: or,

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Franz Rogowski.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway,

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but yes,

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you've got

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Art House favorite

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Franz Rogowski.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Franz Rogowski

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: from Passages

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and Transit.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Ondine.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Great movie.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: movies of the last

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: couple of years.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then,

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: plus a revelatory

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: central performance

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: from a newcomer,

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Nakaya Adams.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Another thing,

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Arnold

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: has quite a track record.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Latest in a series

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of notable debut

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: performances from Arnold.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You got a canon

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: of formidable female

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: characters vying

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: for freedom

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: from oppressive systems.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: in Red Road,

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of course,

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you had Kate Dickey.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, sorry.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah,

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Red Road was Kate Dickey.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't a discovery.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that was it.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But in Fish Tank,

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you had Katie Jarvis

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and in American Honey,

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you had Sasha Lane.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's still,

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: she's still crushing it,

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing Sasha Lane

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: all over the place.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: New York Times

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_08]: called it a beautifully shot,

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_08]: delicately moving

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_08]: coming of age story.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Little White Lies

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_08]: said it's a magical,

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_08]: energetic marvel

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_08]: from one of the UK's

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_08]: finest filmmakers.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And David wouldn't know

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_08]: anything about that.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She's the best

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and the movie

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[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Bird!

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[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Bird!

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: they make Duel.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg insists

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: on shooting it outside.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They want it to do

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: soundstage.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and,

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a big fight

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and,

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he went to overschedule,

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: as you say,

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_08]: three days overschedule.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Right,

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_08]: which is maybe

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_08]: the equivalent

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_08]: of going three weeks

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_08]: overschedule on a TV.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_08]: A real film,

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_08]: a feature film.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: but I,

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: how could you do this

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_05]: on a soundstage?

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It would look shitty.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be,

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it would look like a janky TV movie.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_08]: But there's like,

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_08]: look,

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I love Twilight Zone

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and a lot of Twilight Zone

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_08]: episodes are very ambitious,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_08]: uh,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_08]: in terms of what they're

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_08]: aiming to depict

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_08]: because that is a show

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_08]: that didn't have,

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_08]: like,

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_08]: a home base

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of rotation

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_08]: of sets

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_08]: it could reuse.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_08]: There's like,

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_08]: a great hitchhiker episode

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_08]: of Twilight Zone

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_08]: that all takes place

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_08]: on the road

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_08]: and there's very little,

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_08]: like,

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_08]: real car footage.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And most of it

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_08]: is just like,

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_08]: a close-up of an actor

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_08]: in front of a rear projection

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_08]: screen

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_08]: behind a picture car.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_08]: They're like,

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_08]: you could see how they were

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_08]: just like,

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_08]: look,

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_08]: don't overthink this.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_08]: This isn't a real movie.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Spielberg fighting

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_08]: to make this

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_08]: 50% more of a movie

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: than they want it to be

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_08]: results in

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_08]: him over-delivering

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_08]: on the product

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_08]: which then commits them

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_08]: to be like,

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_08]: fuck,

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_08]: film some more

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_08]: and make this

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_08]: even more of a movie.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing lots

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: of master shots,

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: less TV close-ups,

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: he says.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he's trying to,

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: be wider,

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: make it feel more cinematic.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like,

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy camera placements

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: in this.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: There's,

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that's,

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: he's the king of blocking.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_08]: But beyond that,

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_08]: king of blocking,

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_08]: obviously, right?

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It is like,

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_08]: the weird,

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of just like,

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_08]: bone deep

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_08]: preternatural skill

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_08]: this guy had.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_08]: They call him?

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The king of movies?

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_08]: They call him

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_08]: the king of blocking.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: No,

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I was gonna say,

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_08]: beyond him just being

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_08]: great at blocking,

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_08]: there's shit where you're like,

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_08]: oh,

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_08]: the camera's like,

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_08]: mounted to the grill.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_08]: in this sort of like,

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_08]: side profile shot of the truck

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_08]: with the car behind it

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: and shit like that

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: where you're just like,

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_08]: on a TV movie schedule,

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: budget,

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: resources crew,

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_08]: you choosing to do a setup

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_08]: like that

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_08]: is like,

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_08]: you're gonna have to sacrifice

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_08]: in exchange for putting

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_08]: your foot down

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and be like,

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I want this shot.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I want a crane shot.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_08]: in exchange for doing that,

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_08]: the payoff is,

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_08]: you get fewer setups

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_08]: somewhere else

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: or fewer takes

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_08]: of each setup

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_08]: or whatever it is.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_08]: But the guy just like,

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: he had the fucking vision.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_08]: But,

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: he shows the film

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to ABC

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're mad

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that the truck

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't blow up

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because it says

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: plammable,

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: On the truck.

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: they think about

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: shooting a new ending

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's more explosive.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But,

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: no.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg had said,

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I want more of like

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a slow death

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: where the truck

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of suffers

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and basically

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like bleeds out.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it is an incredible shot.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: then,

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Duel comes out.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh,

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it's also got

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: a really cool score.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously,

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: pre-John Williams

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: for him,

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but,

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Billy Goldenberg,

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of this like

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Bernard Herrmann,

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: knockoff-y kind of score.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: But,

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean,

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah,

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_08]: John Williams

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: starts on Sugar Land

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_08]: and then is his guy

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_08]: saved for five movies.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah,

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: saved for just a couple times.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Duel gets

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: rave reviews

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: average ratings.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Richard Matheson

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: says he was

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: flabbergasted

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: by how good it was.

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And George Lucas

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: has this story of

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: he was at a party

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: at Francis Ford Coppola's house.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd met

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg maybe,

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but they didn't know

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: each other that well yet.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like,

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the movie's on,

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that movie he made,

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're watching it

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and then like,

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: at this party,

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone starts to like

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: lock in on the movie.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of just

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: checking in with it,

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone just sits down

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and watches it

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because they were like,

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: this is really fucking good.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah,

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean,

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: look,

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna,

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna throw out

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_08]: a take here.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_08]: This isn't a perfect film,

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_08]: right?

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_08]: In its best sequences,

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_08]: it is just like,

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: astonishing.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Agreed.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean,

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: which is basically all

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_08]: vehicular stuff.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And not just its loudest sequences,

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_08]: right?

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's mostly

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_08]: when you're on the road,

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_08]: But some of the construction

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_08]: of some of the sequences,

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_08]: you're just like,

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_08]: how the fuck

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_08]: is this guy's first movie?

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Not only is it just

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_08]: the level of skill,

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_08]: but you're like,

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_08]: most people,

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: it takes two decades

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_08]: to cross the arc

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_08]: of developing the skill,

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_08]: then they get ostentatious

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_08]: with their craft,

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_08]: and then they learn

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_08]: how to like,

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_08]: pare it down

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_08]: and get Spartan

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_08]: and unshowy with it

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and just communicate.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of people,

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_08]: it takes over 10 years

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_08]: to do that.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And the first movie,

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_08]: he already has

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_08]: this confidence

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_08]: of like an old master.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_08]: My big take is,

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I think you watch this

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and in the construction

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_08]: of the big showcase moments,

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_08]: the big set pieces,

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_08]: the big sequences,

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_08]: whatever,

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I would contend

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_08]: like he arrived

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_08]: fully formed

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_08]: as an action filmmaker.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_08]: He has better

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_08]: action sequences

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: later in his career,

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_08]: but I'd argue

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_08]: those are largely

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_08]: a product of

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_08]: he knows how to build

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: a better movie

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: around those sequences,

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_08]: he has better resources

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and collaborators,

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_08]: he has better tools

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_08]: to play with

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: and more time

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_08]: and whatever.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't actually think

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_08]: his basic craft

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and understanding

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_08]: of how to put images

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_08]: together to create

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: tension and excitement

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_08]: evolves past this.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I think

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_08]: he was fully formed.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's as good

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: then as he was now.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It was basically

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: everything else

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: rose to his level.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he says

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like he watches

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Duel all the time

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and is kind of like,

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah,

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: fucking crushed it.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He now like studies

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Duel trying to be like,

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: how did I do this?

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_08]: What did I do here?

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I think

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_08]: it was also

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_08]: in such a state of panic

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_08]: where he has to

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_08]: put this together

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_08]: so quickly

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_08]: with such limited resources

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_08]: but also he knows

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_08]: like this is his big chance

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_08]: to show himself

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_08]: that this movie

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: almost comes out of like

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_08]: just like a flow state

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_08]: for him.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: As much as it was

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_08]: meticulously storyboarded

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_08]: and everything,

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_08]: he was just like,

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I just knew exactly

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: how I had to make it

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_08]: and he just kind of like

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: put his foot down

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: and got it done

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_08]: and he proved

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_08]: his fucking point.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it totally worked

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_08]: in the way he needed it to.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a great movie.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw Duel on TV,

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think on the BBC,

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the BBC,

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was 14 or 15 years old

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and I had my

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Empire Magazine

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Spielberg edition,

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Empire Magazine

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: put out a special

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg edition

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: once that had

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: all of his movies

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like with two pages

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: devoted to them,

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, whatever.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's probably

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: when I first learned

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: about Duel,

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: did you know like

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: before E.T.

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever,

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: he made this TV movie

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and I remember watching it,

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like seeing it in the listings

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and being like,

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch it.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a young cinephile.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then watching it

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and being like,

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that rocked

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and feeling really proud

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of myself for like

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: having done that.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: My parents did not

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like Steven Spielberg.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_08]: They were...

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Newman's fucking up again.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_08]: In the 90s,

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I think they were...

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_08]: That was a very popular time

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_08]: for people to kind of

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_08]: turn against Spielberg.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100% of course.

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: No, once he wins

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the Oscar for Schindler,

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: especially if people are like...

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like when the Red Sox

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: won the World Series

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: where people are like,

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: all right,

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: can I stop hearing about you now?

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Enough of this.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know, like...

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And he used to be good,

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_08]: but now he's so maudlin

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_08]: and so manipulative.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: There was sort of a feeling

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: of like, look,

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: we can't deny Schindler,

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_08]: but everything else

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_08]: he's made in the last 10 years

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_08]: is a failure to recapture

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_08]: how good the first 10 years were.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And they were sort of like,

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, by mid-90s,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_08]: they were like,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Spielberg's washed.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_08]: But I remember within that,

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_08]: despite being a child

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_08]: who was shown E.T.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and Close Encounters

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: very young by my mother

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_08]: as like, these are important

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_08]: and having like

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_08]: a massive effect on me both,

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember saying to me,

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_08]: you know which one is good

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_08]: his first movie?

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: When she was in her sort of

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_08]: like Spielberg sucks phase.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And because she grew up

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_08]: in Europe, humble brag,

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_08]: she, I think,

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_08]: she must have seen Duel

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_08]: in theaters

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_08]: presented as like

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_08]: a movie properly.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we've already mentioned

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_08]: TV didn't exist.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_08]: TV didn't exist.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah,

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember her telling me

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_08]: about it fairly young

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: and just describing the premise

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_08]: in the way that kind of

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: excited me is like,

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_08]: wait, and that's the whole movie?

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_08]: She was like, yeah,

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_08]: it's just a nervous guy

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_08]: and this truck starts following him.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, why?

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't know.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's driving the truck?

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't know.

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just this guy going crazy

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and this truck coming after him

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and there's no explanation for it.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like thrilling.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So I think, yeah,

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I probably rented on VHS

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_08]: when I was 10 or 12 or something.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Cool.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it rolls.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben, did you like it?

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so impressive

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_05]: how much it's a movie.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And how much you're on the edge of your seat.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the first point especially,

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like,

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't feel like a TV movie really.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Partly because the limited scale makes sense.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not seeing

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it push against a budget.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It can't,

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean?

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're like,

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: it makes sense for it to be fairly stripped down.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, there's a focus to the story,

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_08]: but then he's pushing to expand

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_08]: the scale cinematically.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And he does.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And he does.

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: All of my problems with it

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: are just when it's him,

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of futzing around

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in various locations.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I think those parts are bad.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the only time

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you kind of feel the movie

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to fill out time a little bit.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the confrontation in the diner,

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a diner, right?

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: With the guy he thinks is the trucker.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those scenes

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: where you're like,

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 seconds in,

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like,

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: well, this isn't going to be the guy.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We're halfway into the movie.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to like,

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: go face to face with the truck driver.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just kind of goes on

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: for like a few minutes

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of him being like,

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, buddy,

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: can you cut it out?

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And the guy's like,

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: what are you talking about?

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But...

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Should I call the cops?

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_08]: The chunk of that sequence

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_08]: with him walking in

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_08]: and recognizing

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_08]: one of these guys

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_08]: must be the guy.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's basically

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_08]: five stellar minutes

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_08]: of just this guy

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_08]: looking at people,

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_08]: sizing them up,

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_08]: visually weighing the pros and cons

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_08]: of it could be this guy,

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_08]: it couldn't be this guy.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Looking at their boots.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Looking at their boots.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a really

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: interesting way of like,

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah,

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: how can I like read into a person

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: through like,

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah,

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the way they have

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_05]: selected their boots,

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: what color it is,

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: how dirty it is.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he's running

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: through the mental exercise

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_08]: of approaching

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_08]: each of these guys

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and confronting them

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_08]: and imagining

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_08]: how they'd react.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_08]: all of that stuff

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_08]: is fucking incredible.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And you have to think also

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_08]: in the theatrical cut,

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben,

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_08]: that's like the first sequence

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: where he's talking at length.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_08]: You know?

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_08]: because the opening,

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: which I think

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_08]: is really good,

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: the opening credit sequence

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_08]: in the theatrical cut

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_08]: of the POV of the car,

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_08]: that is all added.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: That was not part

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_08]: of the original TV broadcast.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's just like

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_08]: really immersive,

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of dropping you

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_08]: into the world.

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_08]: As much as that's

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_08]: the POV of his car,

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_08]: it's an interesting way

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_08]: to start in the perspective

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_08]: of a car on the road

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_08]: and get you into the headspace

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_08]: of a road movie

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_08]: and all of that.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_08]: But then like,

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_08]: the phone conversation

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_08]: with the wife is added

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_08]: for the theatrical.

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot of that early stuff

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_08]: is added.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So,

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_08]: the length of that scene

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_08]: and how long it goes on

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_08]: makes a little more sense

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_08]: if you think

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_08]: you're watching a broadcast

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_08]: that's been going on

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: for 30 minutes

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_08]: and this is the first time

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: that the movie's kind of

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: stopping long enough

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_08]: to like settle you in.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The wife call,

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely don't need that.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I,

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: everything,

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the less the better,

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: right?

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Like,

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to know

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: who's driving the truck.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think that stuff,

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think,

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not bad.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I think to its credit,

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not too overstated.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_08]: No,

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_08]: You can imagine

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_08]: the worst version of it.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: They had a fight or something.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Well,

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: and the fight is about

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_08]: like him not standing up enough.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like,

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_08]: this guy's kind of just a drip.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a bit of a drip.

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's also,

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: there's stakes kind of

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: in that he needs to be home

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_05]: in time

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_05]: because his parents are due

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_05]: at the house

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: for dinner.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's like expected

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_05]: to be home

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and he already has

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_05]: had a fight with his wife.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I think his reaction

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_08]: to all this stuff

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_08]: characterizes him well.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Like,

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: it's not like,

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it's valuable

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_08]: like backstory shit.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Or like table setting

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: in that way,

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: but I do think you get a lot

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_08]: from seeing him react

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_08]: to some other shit

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_08]: before the truck

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: really enters the picture

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_08]: of just like,

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_08]: this guy's just kind of annoying.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_08]: He's not a bad guy.

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's key

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_08]: that it's like,

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_08]: this guy didn't like,

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_08]: this isn't the manifestation

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_08]: of some curse on him.

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: This isn't his comeuppance.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't run over

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_08]: a little toy truck.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Like Matheson

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_08]: wrote a lot of Twilight Zone

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_08]: and that's what differentiates

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_08]: this from a Twilight Zone

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_08]: or something like that.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_08]: That there isn't

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the supernatural aspect to it.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_08]: This isn't like

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_08]: a cosmic balancing.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's more just giving you

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_08]: a sense of why

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_08]: this guy is particularly

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_08]: ill-equipped to deal

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_08]: with a situation like this.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_08]: His personality defects

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_08]: are like a perfect stew

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_08]: to completely fall apart

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_08]: when face-to-face

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_08]: with this.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's scary

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_05]: because of the random act

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of violence.

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Aspect to it.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But also that it's

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_08]: like meaningless.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That...

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the scariest thing.

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But beyond that

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: is a driver.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're a driver too, Ben.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Griffin's not a driver.

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's debatable.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Just the weird...

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I drive the conversation.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He's driving on the highway of life.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And I drive the conversation.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're all kind of

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: surfing the information

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: superhighway.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: This is true.

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I wish they'd

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: put a speed limit

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: on that thing.

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not driving.

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe do some paving.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I cite that as proof

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_08]: that I'm a surfer

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_08]: not a driver.

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_08]: But it is a highway.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm surfing.

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It is weird that, right,

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: they're like,

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to call it

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the web.

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: The spider web.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And you surf it.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Why do you surf?

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't matter.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you think

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: if you said surf the web

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_08]: to anyone under the age of 20

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_08]: they'd be flummoxed?

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Is that like a...

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be like

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: me being like,

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: hello, my baby!

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: they'd be like,

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I know

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: what that is

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but you sound like

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: an old-timey man

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: on a penny bicycle.

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I wonder if they

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_08]: wouldn't even know

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_08]: what it was.

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe not.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like,

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_08]: that was the entire way

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_08]: that the internet

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_08]: was talked about

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: for 25 years.

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the web?

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like even that.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: If I was like,

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, did you find it

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: on the web?

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: People say

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: web 3.0

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: though a lot.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're right.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: That term's thrown around

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: enough that I think

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: people know.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, if I'm saying it

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to the good madame,

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: she would know.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Madame web.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she would know.

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And we should,

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_08]: of course,

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: acknowledge that

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: her web connects us all.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I do be surfing it,

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_08]: watching it,

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully on Peacock.

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it's on.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Holding an unopened Pepsi can.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: With my red goggles.

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Madame Web 2 this year?

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Madame Web 2.0?

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, can they just...

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, first of all,

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_08]: the title's right there

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_08]: for the taking.

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I'd say, look,

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_08]: we're recording this episode

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_08]: in November.

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_08]: It will come out

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_08]: in January.

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: the green load

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: on Madame Web 2.0

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_08]: largely depends on

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_08]: whether or not

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_08]: it gets the best picture

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_08]: nomination.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_08]: We're all,

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_08]: in November,

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_08]: predicting it will.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_08]: We're all assuming,

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_08]: right, it'll squeeze in there.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_08]: But by the time

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it comes out in January,

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: who knows how the

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: fates have changed.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, like,

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: more than 10 films

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: actually were released

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in 2024.

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That would hurt it.

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: If it turns out

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that there are

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: more than 10 movies

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: eligible.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Sony's crossing

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: their fingers

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_08]: that the year

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_08]: is going to close out

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: at nine.

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll be one of those

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: years no one releases

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: any movies.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I think, look,

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_08]: if I can be fair.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You're guaranteed a knob.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And maybe I'll sound foolish here.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm making a bold prediction

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_08]: about the future.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: As far as I'm concerned,

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Sony has one of the

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: 10 spots reserved.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I think whether or not

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Madame Web makes it in

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_08]: is largely dependent

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_08]: on the response

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: to Cravenlight.

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_08]: If the trap is set.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_08]: One of the five greatest

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_08]: trap artists in the history

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_08]: of humanity.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: as a driver,

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that was my point,

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: right,

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: there is

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: a sort of,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like there's the kind

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: of like rules

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: of the road,

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and then when someone

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: starts being aggro

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: or even just like

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: crosses in front of you

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: or, you know,

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: cuts you off

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in a weird way.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they don't even

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: mean to be aggro,

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but they're just doing

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever they're doing.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: fundamentally creepier

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: than only because

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't talk to them.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You can beep your horn

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can go,

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, asshole,

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and like shake your fist

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: out the window

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But like you do start,

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: if someone's being weird

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: on the road,

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that immediate spiral

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of thoughts of like

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: what's going on

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: with this car

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or truck

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever.

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And trucks are scary.

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Driving with a truck

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is scary.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: If there's some

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: big ass truck

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: on the highway,

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get away

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: from it.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: near those things.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I contribute

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_08]: some non-driver's

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_08]: thoughts

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_08]: to this conversation?

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Everything you just said

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: are high up

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_08]: on the list.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: All of them

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: high up reasons

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: for why I am terrified

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_08]: at the idea of driving.

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_08]: You're scared of driving.

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And I wonder

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_08]: how much

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: seeing this movie

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_08]: at a young age

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_08]: also contributed to that.

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it was

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: the formation of that.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_08]: There's lots of movies

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: with cars.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But like this movie

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: just depicts

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: 10 things I think about

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_08]: a lot

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_08]: as like,

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_08]: why would I ever do that?

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_08]: if you want to get somewhere.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I grew up in the,

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's,

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah,

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the most densely populated state.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: New Jersey's very

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: densely populated.

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Garden state.

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's really,

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: you know,

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: major car culture,

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_05]: lots of traffic,

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: lots of road rage.

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Growing up,

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: my dad warned me,

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: if someone is

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: getting really crazy

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: and out of sorts,

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: do not fuck around.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: don't engage

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: or just de-escalate

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: or get out of there

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever you want.

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's so many

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: of those stories too

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: of,

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: you know,

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: a guy pulls a gun

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: or a knife on someone,

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: you know,

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: when they both pull off

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: the road

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and engage

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: each other.

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: For me,

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like,

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I go through

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the Holland Tunnel,

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm smoking my cigar

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the factories

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and then we're in Newark

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's like

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: pizza land,

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it sort of

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: starts to get more

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and more suburban.

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: This happens after

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you woke up this morning?

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and then I,

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: right,

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I go up my driveway.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Got yourself a gun.

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: this metaphor for like,

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: how the times they are

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: are changing

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: even in like

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the modern crime world.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You can take a quick

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: stop at the Bada Bing.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Right,

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: right,

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: right.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing you're saying

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You ever been to

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Pizza Land?

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It exists.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still there.

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been to the strip club.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You've been to the Bada Bing?

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The Bing?

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you disrespect the Bing?

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I would never.

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Good,

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: okay,

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: good.

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I would never,

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: David.

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I disrespected the Bing!

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_08]: The thing you said,

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_08]: David,

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_08]: about having this sort of like

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_08]: emotional interaction

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_08]: this visceral interaction

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_08]: with another vehicle

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_08]: but the person being

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_08]: kind of anonymous,

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_08]: right?

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like so much

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_08]: of the road rage thing

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_08]: of like,

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_08]: if you pull up to someone

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_08]: to be equidistant to them

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_08]: and you want to fucking

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_08]: yell at them quickly

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_08]: or like flashing the bird.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Part of that I think

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_08]: is the idea of being able

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_08]: to humanize them

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_08]: and being like

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm angry at you a person.

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I need you to be a person.

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_08]: It is what is so evocative

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_08]: in this movie

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_08]: and I feel like Spielberg

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_08]: has said the thing

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_08]: he locked into

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_08]: when he read the story

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_08]: after quickly leafing

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_08]: over some pictures of boobs

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_08]: was that it's like

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_08]: fear of the unknown.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And the thing,

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I think one of the smartest decisions

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_08]: this movie makes

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_08]: is like

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_08]: there's a certain logic

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_08]: to the idea of

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_08]: maybe you don't show

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_08]: any part of the driver

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_08]: at all

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_08]: because it's what

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_08]: is the scariest thing

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_08]: having no glimpse

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_08]: of the person.

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just this machine.

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_08]: But he will give you

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_08]: these shots

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_08]: that the Dennis Weaver character

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_08]: wouldn't be able to see

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_08]: from inside,

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_08]: you know,

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_08]: the cab of the truck

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_08]: of his foot,

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_08]: of his arm,

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_08]: you know,

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_08]: of his hand on the wheel.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It's always sort of fragmented,

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's like clear shots

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_08]: from almost the driver's POV.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And I feel like

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_08]: you need to do that

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_08]: because the movie

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_08]: needs to underline like

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_08]: this is not supernatural.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_08]: This is not like a monster.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_08]: This is just some guy.

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's what makes it

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_08]: even scarier is

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_08]: his motivations

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_08]: are inscrutable.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_08]: They are

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_08]: beyond inscrutable,

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_08]: unknowable.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_08]: They are fundamentally

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_08]: unknowable.

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_08]: There is no rhyme

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_08]: or reason to this.

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Is he doing this for sport?

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Is he insane?

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Is there some backstory

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: you don't know?

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't fucking matter.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean,

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_08]: you're just placed

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_08]: in this guy's reality

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_08]: which is why the fuck

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_08]: is this happening

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and I don't even really

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: have time to consider that

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_08]: because I'm just

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_08]: trying to survive.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's easy

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: to figure out

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: or to start spiraling over

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: well,

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is it that

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of passed him

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and hung my horn

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: at him being a jerk?

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm this,

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever city slicker

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: in my red Plymouth

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a salt of the earth

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: rust

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and he just has

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: rust and flames.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just moving

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: some rust

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and flammable flames.

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I do have a picture

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of the driver

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: if you want to see him.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They did provide

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: one picture of him

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're interested

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the picture

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to show you.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The picture I showed

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Griffin is,

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: if you want to say Griffin.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Russell Crowe

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in the film Unhinged.

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is like the opposite

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: of this movie.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like,

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: what if that happened

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to you?

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But rather than

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it was this unknowable

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of question

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of like,

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: what does this represent

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: or who is doing this?

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: a large Russell Crowe

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: going like,

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: fuck you!

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna kill you

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: with my car!

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The whole movie.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's essentially

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_08]: the hero.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You cut off the wrong guy,

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: motherfucker!

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I do think that's one

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_08]: of our friend Richard Lawson's

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_08]: best jokes ever

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_08]: on the 10 years

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_08]: of this podcast.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I believe it was

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_08]: in the Witches episode

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_08]: where we were doing

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_08]: the box office game

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: when theaters

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: had not really reopened

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_08]: of what was in the top 10

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_08]: the week the Witches

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_08]: went on HBO Max

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_08]: and Unhinged

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_08]: was number one

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_08]: because Unhinged

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_08]: was basically...

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Solstice Studios

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_08]: released it on like

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_08]: 40,000 screens

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_08]: because there was

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_08]: nothing available.

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it beat

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Tenet by one week

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_08]: to be the first

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_08]: new wide release.

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes,

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_08]: it was the first

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: widely released film.

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And you said like

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Unhinged,

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: number one,

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: two million dollars

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_08]: and Lawson said

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_08]: which is pretty good

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_08]: gross for a documentary.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No,

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: he's not the hero.

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a villain.

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen Unhinged.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the protagonist

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's a psychopath.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a falling down type.

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like what if

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you were somewhat aggressive.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: No,

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he's already crazy.

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh,

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: okay.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like with a guy

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: behind the wheel of a car

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it turns out

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the guy you did that to

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: was Russell Crowe.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Roided up on rage,

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: not on steroids.

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But who's that guy?

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's the guy

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_08]: he's chasing in the movie?

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could remember

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: without looking it up

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but unfortunately I can't.

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoever this generation

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Gigande is.

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing I want to...

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Karen Pistorius,

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that actress.

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh,

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_08]: interesting.

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Slow West.

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah,

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to state an intent here.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_08]: 2025,

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to really up

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_08]: the number Gigande references

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I made.

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh,

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: get him up there.

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's a perfect time

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_08]: to start reclaiming

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Cam Gigande.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you want to bring up

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie Bad Johnson?

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah,

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_08]: that's a movie in which

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I think Nick Thune

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_08]: plays his penis.

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a comedy in which

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Cam Gigande's penis

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_08]: comes to life

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_08]: and is played by

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_08]: comedian Nick Thune.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_08]: These are fun names

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_08]: to say,

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Cam Gigande

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_08]: and Nick Thune

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_08]: in the penis comedy

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Bad Johnson.

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Bad Johnson,

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_08]: known as Schlong Story

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: in some markets.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: this film was in

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple markets?

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_08]: There was a deadline

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_08]: story recently

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_08]: announcing a Cam Gigande

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Kellen Lutz movie

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_08]: and I texted David

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_08]: and said,

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_08]: this is like

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_08]: the Pacino De Niro

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: heat team up

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: of dog shit.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And what did I say?

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I think I said

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_08]: the dollar store version

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_08]: and you maybe said

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_08]: it was the penny store version.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway,

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_08]: 2025 is the year

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Gingande comes back.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He's back.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Dual.

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_08]: He'd be good in a dual

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_08]: review.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's do it.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to ask,

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: have you ever had

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: a scary

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: road rage

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_05]: incident?

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: not,

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: no.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: No,

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say no.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I would,

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never had a thing

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: where I'm like,

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: oh my God,

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: this person is like,

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: this is unsafe

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and this person

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to attack me.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you?

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had like

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: aggressive drivers

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: fuck with me

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: or yell at me

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: or,

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had shit

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like that.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_05]: No,

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I have this one

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_05]: with the truck

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that has really,

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it still stands out

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to me as one of those

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: things where I'm like,

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_05]: this was a close call

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: for me.

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't the driver

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: but I was in the car.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: We were coming back

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_05]: from Hartford,

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Connecticut.

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: We went to a

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Dave Matthews band

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: concert.

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So you were just

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: riding high on being

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: cool guys.

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We were probably,

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah,

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: definitely one of the,

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_05]: it was one of the

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_05]: coolest moments

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: for me in my life.

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Well,

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_08]: you're already on edge

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: because if you're

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_08]: driving back from

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_08]: a Dave Matthews band

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_08]: concert,

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_08]: there's always the risk

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: that you're going to

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: get hit with his

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_08]: shit truck.

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a real road risk.

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_08]: If you take an underpass,

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: you might get

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: DMV

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: dumped all over.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: become their legacy?

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like,

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: he's a respectable

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: artist,

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: but that is one of the

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: funniest things that's

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: ever happened.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway,

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: go on.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And we were on 95.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We were kind of like

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_05]: heading basically

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: towards the GWB,

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: but at some point

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: split off.

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: going towards New Jersey.

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know,

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe he pissed off

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_05]: this tractor trailer.

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: The tractor trailer

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: went into our lane

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and we almost

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: swerved into

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that like,

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: you know,

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: those like yellow

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: plastic barrels

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_05]: that like,

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: protect you from

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_05]: crashing.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Filled with water.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_05]: We almost crashed

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: into that.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Truly,

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it was like the truck

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: really almost

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_05]: led us to

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: crash.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was doing it

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_05]: on purpose.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_05]: For sure.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It was very scary.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a dual

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of situation.

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And we slammed

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: on the brakes

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and it was

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: very close to us

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_05]: getting into

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_05]: a terrible

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: car accident

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: because of this

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: tractor trailer.

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And as it drove away,

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_05]: it honked.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Jeez.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've gone

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: by that intersection

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: many times

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: coming back

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_05]: from New England

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and I think about

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: how I really

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: could have gotten hurt.

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Watch your,

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: backs out there,

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: blankies.

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The mad trucker

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: reigns supreme.

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's another thing.

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I pull it up

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_08]: on my iPad

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_08]: because it is

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_08]: a slightly tough

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: movie to talk through

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_08]: because it is

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_08]: so much just like.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wait.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I love how Ben

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: futzed for 40 minutes

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: on his console

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to have that power.

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It paid off.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Year 10.

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Blank check.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Year of miracles.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Soundboard is back.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Kim Gigande

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_08]: references out the butt.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Early Spielberg.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Jelly Trilogy

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_08]: on Patreon.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It's all happening.

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_08]: 2025.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Year of miracles.

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_08]: David.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I've suffered a great loss

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: recently.

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_08]: A profound loss.

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Half a tooth.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, that's true.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_08]: They sawed half your tooth off.

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I had a coronectomy.

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_08]: They cut my tooth in half.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'll tell you

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_08]: what an experience like that

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_08]: does to a person.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Makes you really value

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_08]: the teeth you do have.

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_08]: You want good teeth.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_08]: My full teeth.

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_08]: This was a trouble tooth.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And so they took

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: part of it out.

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_08]: But the teeth I got,

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_08]: the good ones in there,

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to take good care

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: of them.

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And sometimes oral hygiene

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_08]: can be a real pain

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_08]: in the keister

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_08]: to stay on top of.

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so why don't you

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: get yourself Quip 360.

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[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Griffin,

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that's literally going to

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[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I like.

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been using Quip for a long time,

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but the 360 is the,

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the kind of like round brush.

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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