Edward Scissorhands with Julio Torres

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check You could have gone up there, you could still go

[00:00:23] No sweetheart, I'm an old woman now I would rather he remember me the way I was How do you know he's still alive? I don't know, not for sure, but I believe he is You see, before he came down here it never snowed And afterwards it did

[00:00:45] And if he weren't up there now, I don't think it would be snowing Sometimes you can still catch me podcasting in it She did start a podcast after Edward went up to the- we know that Right, that's in the movie Right, this is Sarah Kanig

[00:01:00] They don't draw that line directly, but it's implied He's like, wait now Right, she says, was anon guilty That's her final line that they cut out because they went like the audience is- they're not going to get this It's the number ready for that

[00:01:12] They're like 20 years ahead of getting this Hello everybody, my name's Griffin Newman I'm David Sims It's a Blank Check with Griffin and David It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success Early on in their career, giving a series of Blank checks

[00:01:25] To make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby And this is maybe- I mean, I'm realizing while we're covering this Other than- We're talking about Tim Burton We're talking about- the film's a Tim Burton This is the title

[00:01:42] This is the title episode This is the title episode I don't think we've ever covered a filmography Where it goes this long without a bounce Well Cameron maybe, James Cameron maybe But a bis Yeah, a bis isn't a bounce In terms of cost expectations

[00:02:00] He has five without a bounce though Because Edward is technically a bounce That's what I'm saying But five without a bounce is pretty Five movies in a row to start your career is pretty impressed Five great successes Especially because they get, one could argue progressively, weirder and weirder

[00:02:16] Even though Batman is like a very commercial thing To make a movie about their weird movies And then Batman Returns being the weirdest, do you think? Weirder than this I think so Yeah I think so Because I think this movie conforms to the expectations set up by itself

[00:02:33] Yeah, I know Like here is a sad- I'm with you Tragic fairy tale Whereas Batman Returns is just like People are evil Right For two hours and twenty minutes Yeah What were you gonna say? Well, this is like a Frankenstein movie

[00:02:50] So we're more ready for a monster to be in a Frankenstein movie Yeah I mean, I saw, I rewatched on the special features they had The promotional feature where they went to the mall And they went out with people with a microphone

[00:03:06] Oh, you mean like after they'd seen the movie? No, before Okay This was like the EPK they put together to be like People are wondering who is Edward Scissorhands And then you see them at the mall and they're like Edward Scissorhands? It's a good title

[00:03:20] Edward Scissorhands? No, I ain't ever heard of him Like it's people doing that And it's like a super cut of like fifteen of them People are like walking out of JC Petty But that was their whole take is just like

[00:03:30] You've never met a guy like Edward Scissorhands before But they straight out say it's Tim Burton's modern take on Frankenstein Right Like they went as far as they could without saying it's Tim Burton remaking Frankenstein

[00:03:42] But then the other part of that was the poster for this movie was like him With the butterfly looking like he was about to cry And the tagline is an uncommonly gentle man Well, there's... well okay

[00:03:53] Well there's this, there's this that is the sort of Burton invites you to Oh sure, that's the one that I thought had the butterfly But I think that was photoshopped later for the DVD Right And then the uncommonly gentle man one is the one where he's with Winona

[00:04:06] So what's the tagline on the one that's him in profile? The director of Batman and Beetlejuice invites you to meet I think after Beetlejuice you're ready to I think audiences are ready I think that's a pretty good tagline to just go from the director of Batman and Beetlejuice

[00:04:21] So it's like another, it's like another cookie It's one of those Wild hair There was also right, there was the haircut themed poster That poster is crazy Edward was here Yeah I've never seen that poster man I believe there's two of them

[00:04:33] There's the one with the haircuts and then there's the one with the like topiary Yeah, they really kind of sold this as a comedy Sure And also a Christmas movie, which it was Yeah Yeah But you're right, I mean

[00:04:48] This is the main thing we've been talking about in this miniseries is how much How quickly Tim Burton established himself as like a clear brand that people got Yeah, yeah, and it Yeah, just like, oh another one of those Right Which was surprising because he is so esoteric

[00:05:08] It was weird that he's that quickly connected It's like once you pick up the, his language You can understand what the rules of his universe I think that if anything This might have caught people of guard because it was so sweet

[00:05:25] I think that was a thing, this was less ironic The name suggests a horror movie The name suggests a horror movie and Beetlejuice was gonna spooky Batman was spooking in its own way and this one wasn't spooky This is so kind and sweet

[00:05:40] Yes, this is a very sincere children's film Now here's my transition I feel like you have carved out a similar niche for yourself in comedy As Tim Burton As the Tim Burton of comedy As the Tim Burton of comedy

[00:05:56] I don't know, I think I keep thinking of how fun it would be For say like a Lorelai Ramirez to resist it I fantasize with a Beetlejuice remake starring Lorelai Ramirez Should we do a good job? Our guest there of course is Julio Torres Hi A comedian

[00:06:19] You've written for Sidenote Live and you have your own show That's coming down the pipeline now Oh which is Spooky Yeah, that's true It's a spooky show It's a little, it's a gently spooky show It's kind of like a horror themed comedy Yes

[00:06:35] It's not a horror comedy but much like Tim Burton It's a comedy using The world of horror and spooks I'm definitely not as interested in Christmas as Tim Burton is No Tim Burton is obsessed with Christmas He likes Christmas a lot He does like Christmas a lot

[00:06:50] And this in returns are back to back These are two Christmas movies Two Christmas movies In a row No, but I feel like you You have this like Very sort of meteoric rise Where like I feel like the second you started performing

[00:07:07] People were like, oh that's what he's doing And it was a similar thing to Tim Burton I'm not saying you directed Batman But Where you have like a very specific Universe that you build around your comedy I think Which is what I like about Directors like Tim Burton

[00:07:28] Where it's like Beetlejuice And Scissorhands are just I mean yes they're rooted in You know Frankenstein and these other stories But they're I like the idea of Audiences being like, what is that And then that becoming a Halloween costume For the rest of time Sure, sure

[00:07:50] That is just my biggest dream Is to create something Where You know like liberal arts students All over dress up as that And people are like, what is that And then they sort of explain it And they're like, oh yeah I think I saw that

[00:08:06] People sell unlicensed fan art shirts On Zazzle Yes, yes, oh my god Do you find, so now that you've like You've created a TV show Which does not exist yet Which doesn't exist yet Yeah Did you find yourself trying to put stuff

[00:08:22] In pointedly in the hopes that like Oh this will be something that someone could easily Make into a Halloween costume I think that There are a couple of opportunities Okay Yeah, there are a couple of opportunities there No spoilers So this movie Edward Scissorhands

[00:08:39] I was very surprised digging into this I've been very surprised by the timeline The development of his movies Because it was different than I thought it was But he comes up with this bridge Beetlejuice was later Yes, so Beetlejuice is second Whoa

[00:08:52] And he comes up with this pitch while he's developing Beetlejuice So all he's done is pee-wee Beetlejuice was a script that Warner Brothers has And while he's working on Beetlejuice He's like, I got this other idea This was apparently in the most like Tim Burton origin story ever

[00:09:07] He had just made this drawing when he was 16 years old Right And he held onto this drawing for everyone It was like that's probably a movie Like a slender boy Yeah with Scissorhands All black with Scissorhands He's holding them like this He's holding them down

[00:09:21] The blades are always down Because he's gentle and he's aware Right, he's afraid of hurting anyone Of his powers Right, but he looks like a begging dog I was taken by how much This character feels like a dog Watching this movie Oh sure, I didn't see that

[00:09:38] Like a very timid little toy-sized dog Yeah I feel like his whole vibe In his body language and all of that My father has a very neurotic dog And I just kept on watching this and being like This is like Scruffy Newman Also like a dog

[00:09:53] So much of the tension with playing With the dog is whether or not the dog will attack Right, right It's like whether or not the dog will lose it And because the dog has the power Of really hurting you Right, and not understanding how things work

[00:10:08] And getting scared easily by everything But also sometimes lashing out Or not understanding some power All that sort of stuff But he said that Everett Scissor Hands was like You know, he's a doodler He's a watercolor guy He's always got a little notebook on him

[00:10:21] And he had drawn this of just like This is how I feel Sure When he was 16 It was like the original Tumblr page Was Tim Burton's notebook But he invented Tumblr here, right? Yeah, I mean that's what this is

[00:10:32] Yeah, I mean this run of the first five films Is sort of him inventing something But this one more than anything Because this one doesn't have a plot otherwise Like, anyway, we'll keep talking Keep talking, I'm sorry Well, this is like Getting out of myself

[00:10:45] Hashtag TFW the movie Sure Sure, it's any of those things It's whatever you want to say about You know, sad youths of the 90s and 2000s He sort of crystallized He's like I'm gonna I don't think this was what he set out to do Sad suburban youth

[00:11:01] Right, right And obviously, you know, of a middle class Sort of upbringing everything But I think it was like He was like I want to make him wait about how I feel weird And then he ended up making something that pretty universally Spoke to just like

[00:11:15] A feeling of weirdness That people could just sort of like Map onto whatever Because the character is so Otherworldly And dog-like Also, I love that it's never It's clearly established what exactly Edward is, right? Right, yeah We don't know that he's I mean there's some suggestion

[00:11:37] That he's sort of like reanimated Or he could have been just a guy who Or that he's a robot man He was experimented on or Because the only thing you see is that There's the book, Vincent Price's book Right Where you see the wind flipping through the pages

[00:11:51] And the stages of it Right But you never get a sense of what his I mean, Dewey, Dewey No, he's like a construct of some kind Like, he's right He can eat food He can eat food He's like a human He can bleed Right Does he bleed?

[00:12:07] Yeah, because he cuts himself But he does not bleed Yeah, there's a little spot of blood Right, because that's one reason Diane Weas is so nice to him Yeah, right, the first time he nicks himself In front of her But he takes this drawing

[00:12:20] I guess he's starting to set himself up And realize people might be buying into What I'm selling He goes to Warner Brothers He's like, look, I got this drawing I'd like to make a movie out of it And they're like, cool, let's put that on the back burner

[00:12:31] Work on Beetlejuice And he was developing it Yeah And then Warner Brothers was like I don't know if this is like How much money can we put into this fucking thing He also hires Caroline Thompson Caroline Thompson, Caroline Thompson was a novelist

[00:12:47] She had written a book about an aborted baby That comes back to life And her whole kind of thing Firstborn, I believe it's called, yes Which I believe Penelope Spherus Was trying to make into a movie for a long time Yeah She had optioned it, hired Caroline Thompson

[00:13:01] To adapt her own script Never got made, but then people started having her Write other scripts Adapt other things Or adapt her own stories Or write spec scripts based off of ideas Because I think they said, oh, this is this person Who's got this weird child like Whimsy

[00:13:15] Combined with grounding it in a human situation Can you tie him down and do an ABC? Right, I think that was the notion Can we get someone who has basic storytelling Fundamentals to take emotionally What he's talking about He meets with her and she says

[00:13:30] He was the most articulate person I'd ever met Who was incapable of stringing together a single sentence I was gonna give you that quote, yeah, it's a good quote And that's exactly what you're saying, Holyo Is the idea of like, okay

[00:13:40] Can you filter what he's saying into something That makes sense to people Because Beetlejuice rules But it's also not a particularly emotional movie No And Batman, which at this point isn't happening Hasn't happened yet It's more of an action movie Kiwi is like a sketch movie

[00:13:59] I think they were like, can you make this guy A real emotional story Can you make characters that he cares about Warner Brothers just says we're not interested Gives up the movie Let's Fox pick it up Then he makes Batman

[00:14:13] And then like the day after Batman comes out Fox is like, cool, we'll make Edward Scissorhands tomorrow Right, but also every other studio Is like if you want to make a movie Let us know So he did kind of have his pick of the litter

[00:14:25] But he's like I want to do Edward Scissorhands right now He jumps straight into it And then he's like, you're after Batman He's got this list of the actors He wants to do it Fox wanted him to hire Tom Cruise Right, Tom Cruise for Scissorhands Correct

[00:14:41] He meets with Tom Cruise and he goes Didn't go over very well No, he needs a sensitive boy Yeah Right, and Tom Cruise at this point is all about Winning Yeah, well he's just done like Born on the 4th of July 1989 Well sure He's in that pocket

[00:15:03] Tom Cruise as like the The blonde boyfriend character Right, 100% Which it's so fucking funny Chase or Bryce or whatever It is great, it's that thing Right, Anthony Michael Hall having been the dweeb For five odd years In various John Hughes movies Breakfast Club's 86

[00:15:23] Like what year is his last John Hughes movie in relation to this I think there's only like It's 85 and then Weird Sciences 85 too And he weirdly has only been in two movies Since then Out of Bounds and Johnny B Good Neither Richard

[00:15:37] Right, but Johnny B Good was the start Of him trying to be jock He plays like a fucking quarterback In that, right? Yes There's that amazing interview with Anthony Michael Hall after he's done the John Hughes movies, after he's become The youngest cast member on Saturday Night Live

[00:15:53] After being in the teen films he was on Saturday Night Live when he was 16 or 17 Sure, yeah, I can look it up And then he did like, he went on like MTV News And was wearing sunglasses And they went like I think it was 19 18 or 19, go on

[00:16:11] They went how do you feel about playing all these Nerd characters and he goes nah, nah, man Nah, don't use the N word In front of me No He goes it that way, he's like pfft nah, man Don't use the M word I think he was also

[00:16:27] In the, you know, a lot of 80s young stars, he was like an alcoholic By the age of 18 You know what I mean? He had like drinking and drug Problems from a young, because it's You're in the soup, you're in this, you know Brat pack soup

[00:16:41] I think he thought of himself as a serious character Actor He had met with Stanley Kubrick about doing full Metal Jacket And I think he felt so Self-conscious about being pigeonholed into the Nerd thing that then he went so hard in the other Direction

[00:16:57] And was like, I'm just gonna play humorless bros But he does play This is great, he's great in this Yeah, it's just crazy that it's the same Person only like five years later You know, yeah Cause he looks like two feet taller He does, he looks huge

[00:17:13] Well that's those low to middle Angles Especially with this character Cause it's like, you see it from Like, you know, sister's Point of view who feels smaller than him And Winona is like two foot one Winona is not a tall one She's a little Thumbelina lady

[00:17:31] She seems statuous Yes, she does So the other people that Tim Burton was Apparently interested in were like Gary Oldman Oban past Hanks past They were going to like all the big leading men Hanks past to do Bonfire of the Vanities I believe

[00:17:49] Yeah, but you could call it still for Alan Fauth Sure, Oldman actually There's a quote from him where he was like I didn't get it and then when I saw the movie Like two minutes in I was like, oh, I get it Like, now I get it

[00:18:01] Like, he just needed to see What Burton was doing and he was like The PDF was not convincing The script made no sense to him But once he saw it he made sense to me This movie doesn't work If the character is that much of a grown man

[00:18:15] Right? Yeah, I mean you're right It'd be really creepy If it was Hanks or Oldman or any of them Like Cruz was the right age But is the wrong energy You get why they like wanted Hanks Because they were like, he's our biggest star

[00:18:31] He can do anything, he can do comedy or drama And if someone like Gary Oldman is like Oh, he transforms himself, he's a chameleon He gets into it But you kind of need someone who has A link slate in terms of their relationship

[00:18:43] To the audience at this point The way that Johnny Depp did Yeah Because he was just oh that pretty boy People didn't really have much of a take on him Other than like, oh he's like a heartthrob He's on a TV show

[00:18:57] He's gotten killed in a couple movies Sure Platoon and Nightmare on Elm Street Yeah, Nightmare on Elm Street Another scissor handed man But I don't think there was any sort of sense of That's the Johnny Depp vibe Which then he cultivates too hard Sure Right

[00:19:17] But I think at this point it was like casting Like Jai Courtney or whatever It's like, oh they cast some like Hunky Guy Or like Decaprio or something like that Decaprio was like so much Yeah, Decaprio I feel like Hit the Ground

[00:19:29] Running is like, oh he's like a serious actor Like he's like this serious child actor I mean he does growing pains But then it's like Gilbert Grape That's very committed 15 year old Right, that's true The same year So in April and Edward Cesar Henses

[00:19:47] In December I think he did Cry Baby The John Waters movie And then after this he does not do a movie For three years And then he does Benny in June And what's eating Gilbert Grape Speaking of Decaprio

[00:20:01] So this is the year he picks like two subversive directors And is like I want to mock my Not only that and has quit 21 Jump Street But he's like he's not done without him And if he had any reputation at this point

[00:20:11] It was that he was a brat on 21 Jump Street Like all the stories were like He hated the show and he come on set Wearing stupid costumes So that they try to fire him He was constantly trying

[00:20:23] To get kicked off the show because he thought it was dumb And yeah And then I think everyone thought it was strange That he was doing this Sure And then this made his career It's kind of worse This kind of becomes like the thing

[00:20:39] And I feel like so much of his reputation Back because it is Easy to forget that for like 13 years or so He felt like he was like the arduous Of the movie stars Yes until Pirates He is the one where

[00:20:55] You almost don't understand how he still gets to be a movie star Right because he only makes weird movies And they don't really make a lot of money This was kind of his only hit until Pirates Basically Yes Only commercial hit Yeah But then he even like

[00:21:13] Critics liked him but he never got nominated for Oscars Or anything And then he do these interviews and he be chainspoken He sort of occupies That same space as you're Angelica Houston But he wasn't Angelica Houston He was the Angelica Houston He dated one owner

[00:21:29] Rider and it was It was a real like teen beat Kind of relationship was a huge They were the it couple for the weirdo You know what would be the equivalent If they hired Coles Brouse Yes that's what it's like

[00:21:43] And then he knocked it out of the park Right And it's like this kid Who's like his Instagram Is not selfies but they're like very Beautiful photography of Kattai And he's in this like big teen Show that you get the sense of Does he Think he's smarter?

[00:22:03] I think that was the whole thing Does Johnny Depp think he's better than this show Is he actually better than it Or is he just a brat What proof is there he can actually act He's just so pretty

[00:22:15] At the time that I think he has the automatic judgment Of like well he's a pretty boy Like what does he know And they're very much putting him through All the magazine pieces And all the photo shoots And being like I fucking you know

[00:22:29] So he seems pretty dangerous He's wearing weird shit You know the thing When no one gets the tattoo Well when they break up It was one of them forever And then he changed it to one of them forever But I think there was that thing of

[00:22:45] He also dated Jennifer Gray and Cherylin Fenn He dated like every cool girl Of the early 90s And he was married when he was like A baby Like before he even joined 21 Jump Street Right, right he was married and divorced By like 20 That whole thing

[00:23:03] He kind of had the like rock star Poets like sort of You know kind of vibe around him And then this performance is just Like Completely eagerness Sure, right, totally And is some of the most sort of like Committed like physical comedy It's chaplainesque Right and watching it

[00:23:25] It is just like When people apply chaplainesque to things There rarely is a character that is this Sort of simple and elemental People apply chaplainesque to things they mean that they're quiet I feel like that's usually right Like that's usually why people would say

[00:23:39] You know what the another performance That is sort of in the same school Of performing that I saw last year That I loved One of my favorite performances on film Can't wait for this I think we need a poo in the Christopher Robbie Agreed Hard agree

[00:23:57] Oh my god He said so little The Winnie's acting choices Yes Of his little paw Into the fields And just like the Oh my god that movie is so good His sadness in not understanding Why sitting on a honey Was disruptive I like when they're walking him through

[00:24:21] The train station and he says Why is he in a cage And he wants a balloon And he just wants a balloon I saw that movie With our friend Rebecca Bollnass I have a lot to learn acting wise From Winnie the Pooh He's the master

[00:24:39] And he's been making it look effortless for 60 years But I saw the movie The lights came up and I turned to her My first thought was like The Pooh is my favorite comedian Yes That movie so captures Like when I would like read those books

[00:24:55] Or watch the cartoons and just bust a gut No one's a better joke writer than Pooh Pooh is the sharpest joke writer In the biz But then that movie adds like the winsomeness That's the thing that links him up with Edward Scissorhands Is Pooh feels weirdly sad

[00:25:09] In that movie Pooh feels weirdly sad He's out of place in the same way because of the whole Growing up There's not really a zone for him They've all spread out He's sort of just like a bear living in a tree By himself not talking to anybody

[00:25:25] When I was young and I saw this movie for the first time And I remember resisting watching it For a while Scissorhands No I resisted watching Winnie the Pooh Chris Robin until it came out And then I saw it open weekend Edward Scissorhands

[00:25:41] I had gotten so deep into Burton I was so soft on watching this one It was maybe one of the last ones I watched I can't become that I was very scared by it I was genuinely scared When I was a kid

[00:25:55] I knew what Edward Scissorhands was and everyone did Because we all talked about it in the playground Because it's such a good name It's like a chronic immediately But I didn't see it until I was a little older But I thought it was scary It came out 1990

[00:26:09] I just remember it being The most scary thing about it Is that you use boxes In the video store that scared me Yes, yeah because the scars And the And the fact that he does look So sad and haunted And scary

[00:26:27] Right like it wasn't I knew that he wasn't a villain I knew it wasn't a monster movie In a traditional sense I thought it was a monster movie But I was like he looks scary And this looks sad

[00:26:39] I probably see it when I'm maybe nine or ten. Oh, you're so pretty young. Yeah, I'm still pretty young But I'm saying like seven or eight I got really into Burton and this was the last one I had watched

[00:26:48] Mm-hmm on VHS and then it came obsessed with them watch it like obsessively I hadn't seen it probably in 10 or 12 years. I'm watching the last night I realized it's one of those ways

[00:26:56] I still probably know every word to because I watched it too much in middle school but I do remember when it started a I was I was so nervous like sitting watching a VHS

[00:27:08] Am I living room by myself because you felt it was bad in some way no waiting for him to appear It felt like the looming threat because you have like the happy suburban town

[00:27:18] And it's a kid if I ever watched horror movies or movies that had mild thriller elements or any of that I would just be like fuck. This is the part where it's gonna stop being the setup and that scary stuff's gonna happen

[00:27:28] Yes, like I always like the part wedding night the We're hanging out and I was like it's safe. Nothing scary is gonna happen And then the second the monsters introduced I'm like now I'm stressed out for the rest of the movie

[00:27:38] Yeah, this is I also just like horror You just dislike I currently I currently feel that way. Okay still to this day Yes, do you think that's part of why you like sort of like repurposing spooky stuff and making it funny?

[00:27:53] I I like the it's more of a Like mystery more than I like sure sure and I like The unknown Strangeness and the unknown more than I more than I like I jump scares. I can't yeah I don't like a jump scary either

[00:28:11] But I was about this I was gonna say when I was watching it was the same thing when I was a kid anytime I saw anything with a clown where I was like I

[00:28:18] I can't I don't want to I don't want to watch the part where they're gonna be mean to the clown Yeah, I like is it mean to the My god beautiful

[00:28:27] Dread to have really he didn't want them to be mean to the clowns it always related to clouds I seriously like did not like it like you know, I would watch this like little

[00:28:38] There was this um, I don't know if they still exist anymore the paper bag players. Oh, yeah, you kidding me Yeah, they still going I don't know I used to go those shows right remember like a classic upper-west side kid

[00:28:50] Upper-west side children's theater company they were adults but they did shows for for kids So they wrote a new review every year and the bit was that like the costumes the sets and the props were all made out of like paper bags

[00:29:00] Right, they were like big brown paper bags, and they'd be like I got to get my car They would often have clowns and the clown would be the butt of the joke or whatever, you know

[00:29:09] I mean and and I just like when I was a kid. I was like I can't stand this I can't leave the fucking clown alone, you know and Edwards is the same words once he enters. I'm like leave him alone

[00:29:19] You just know they're gonna be mean to him eventually Diane is gonna be nice, but apart from that. I'm like, oh god everyone's gonna turn on that word as the audience is so protective of

[00:29:30] Him yeah, cuz you're so also relieved like I I also rewatched and so relieved that the dad is nice Oh my god Many opportunities for For that to not be the case right? Well, I mean, yes, so relieved that he is like at worse Miley condescending at worst

[00:29:49] He's an 80s dad where he's like you need to get a job and stuff. It's responsible I love he just loves him and it's just like what do you mean? I talked to him like a normal person Right, he doesn't even yeah Edward listen. Yeah, Ed Ed

[00:30:02] Yeah, right But I just love that he approaches him like he has Edward Scissorhands has the exact same frame of reference as he does And then he can start any conversation with you see the game last night

[00:30:12] But that opening shot of Edward, you know when Diane we find him where he's so small and this is where I start freaking the fuck out The perspective of the building that you know the set like makes him look smaller

[00:30:25] And he's just so like wounded looking you're like that's when as a kid and now I'm just like oh god leave Edward alone Well, and here's my other thing. I wasn't worried about

[00:30:33] Her messing up with messing up his life cuz no no no we see your dude doesn't have much life to mess up at this point Well, also you just you just trust Diane we like so Relaxing

[00:30:48] Relaxing is a very good right like I just think I love her in general but her entire demeanor You know that she's on screen everything will be just fine Yeah, yeah Such an incredible energy in this thing and we you know

[00:31:02] Tim Burton is not always the best with his female characters is very prone to turning them into sort of just This is a little bit of sure But but this character is so fucking good and I was watching it trying to divorce

[00:31:17] I mean obviously this is a movie that's written by a woman well by a women by women by one women Yes, yeah, but but also I think we's adds a lot to it

[00:31:27] I mean there's so much nuance to every one of her reaction shots where you see her playing the Her processing the enormity of Edwards life With every new detail that's revealed well then do that first exchange they have where she's like what we know where your

[00:31:43] Parents or whatever and he's like my dad fell asleep and didn't wake up And she's just like oh and then like you should come right right and like you see like 16 different thoughts go across her face

[00:31:53] She doesn't let him see any of them, but that was the moment where I start freaking out for that reason where I was like Okay, he's scary. He's hiding her in the shadows

[00:32:00] But then I immediately started having like an existential panic over like thinking about what his life was up until that point Right. I'm like so he's like 20. He's never left this house The guy's been dead for how long you can't touch anything. Yeah keeps on cutting himself

[00:32:18] Yeah, like just that sort of solitude made me like so deeply sad But then the movie like becomes such a fun world because of how quickly everyone like warms to him when rewatching it as an adult I was shocked and

[00:32:42] So amused by the fact that this mansion is at the very end of their Street Yeah, is if you could you people are living next to it and have never Wondered thought about it thought about it

[00:32:59] And it is necessity of running out of houses to sell makeup in right right that leads her one foot away But into this completely other world and I love that I love that Because I mean it's a very like storybook device of the act

[00:33:16] Oh, these people are so involved in in their own lives that have never questioned what's at the end of the Right the street I also just love the idea of like it's like to make a world so aggressively normal all the weirdness

[00:33:28] Had to be like clustered somewhere and that's what created this place Yeah, it's like they shoved it all to the side and Vincent Price was just like I'll live here then you know Just walked into a mansion. Well, I think I've said this before in different contexts, but

[00:33:42] He grew up in Burbank. He said this movie is largely influenced by his upbringing in Burbank and how outside he felt in this very like Conventional sort of suburban community, but the other thing that apparently they claim deeply influenced this movie is

[00:33:57] His time at California Institute of Arts the college I dropped out of and it's called paradise or whatever Valencia California, okay. Well a paradise is different places in California But on the tour when I was like dad I want to go here

[00:34:11] This is the Tim Burton college because I went there because Tim Burton. Oh my god They said on the tour and they were like have any of you seen the movie Edward scissor hands?

[00:34:19] And then everyone like raised their hand and like gas and they were like so rumor has it Tim based the film on His experiences here being a weird kook on top of a mountain

[00:34:30] With this creepy suburban town that feared him down below is the creepy suburban town the actual town wrong term Yes, or the or did he feel like he was the one weird student and the other was where like blissfully normal

[00:34:44] This is where the metaphor doesn't totally track because it's like a school is it flattering to the school Is it not as my I'd argue it's not right now

[00:34:52] I would argue it's not and it was it was really clear foreshadowing that I didn't pick up on about why I shouldn't go But like the school is on top of a mountain like that

[00:35:01] And it's a weird building and it kind of has that relationship to the rest of the city Which is otherwise like closed off identical cookie cutter housing communities Got it

[00:35:11] And anytime you would like leave the campus which was like a tiny bubble and go down into Valencia proper Everyone would look at you like Like the townspeople hated the arts people the townspeople Works right so he made like that's apparently a thing that influenced this movie

[00:35:30] It was how terrified he felt of how terrified everyone was of him And he wanted to shoot in Burbank, but Burbank at this point had changed too much become too urban I think And so they shot it in Lutz

[00:35:41] Florida home of past and future guest Sonia Saraya a great a Tampa suburb Okay, which I'm sure now in its own right is probably to like you know, there's been too much

[00:35:51] It's been built up too much or whatever, but at the time looks just like a picture perfect 60s American summer Yeah, and they told a really good line here of it being like Heightened and stylized without being like wackadoo dr. Seuss

[00:36:04] Supper, right? I mean it gets there with the hair. Yeah, the haircut makes it But he has to convert it full on who's right by the end of it I like that architecture early I guess all the houses look normal

[00:36:16] He's just like a lot of control over the color scheme a lot of control over the I mean it looks eerie It looks I and I forgot about how eerie the quote-unquote normal people Right um, but what else is Tim? Yeah

[00:36:31] He's terrified of them you got to make the normal people look even creepier than the creeper also I forgot that it was a period piece Yeah, right it is it is set in the 60s, right? Is it at the art direction very much suggests 60s

[00:36:43] If it I just always sort of took it is not being set in any particular time. Yeah, but yeah Yeah, I mean it looks like that the art direction wearing they're all wearing the clothes and yeah I'm trying to think do they make any

[00:36:54] I'm trying to think of Winona right like does she have anything on her wall? She's a hip youth. She is a hip. She's a waterbed. She's waterbed

[00:37:02] She's sort of 70s of her. I guess maybe 70s more and that was his upbringing. Yeah, maybe it was just an art direction I don't know well. Let's talk about the way who did the art

[00:37:11] Well, well and Colleen did the costume Colleen well, so let's we should talk about calling for a little bit Colleen at wood to be clear You're a big fan of her work. I am yeah when we decided we were gonna do this

[00:37:24] And we were come with a list of people want to ask to be on the show I said a hundred percent wish to ask Julio because he'll be able to speak at length about Colleen at wood I don't know they will be able to speak it well

[00:37:32] Then I messaged you about it. Yeah, I said I'd love for you to come on as our resident Colleen at wood expert And you got very like scared. Oh

[00:37:39] Yes, cuz I know her work and I like her work, but I don't it's but that's the full extent of what I'm looking for It's not like it's not like I want you to like unspool a For your relationship to the Burton movies in general, right?

[00:37:52] Yeah, she's just such a this is her first collaboration with him, but she becomes just such a part of the what has she done before this You know I have the laptop Married to the mob which is a great fucking yeah

[00:38:05] Yeah, but no not much like manhunter, but like nothing where you're like oh what an insanely designed movie She hadn't made a movie that was this stylized. Yeah this point. I love the I mean there's so many fun choices like the when when Edward is frantically and like

[00:38:25] Prooening the roses we don't know is wearing a rose Sweater yeah, and like some of those are like okay. I'm glad that I'm glad that such on the nose choices can be made well and also you look at the original drawing and

[00:38:40] I feel like up until this point Tim Burton had the way he would draw things and then Someone would come in and go like okay, but we can't make something that looks like this and would try to convert it a little

[00:38:50] More into the real world mm-hmm, and it feels like she was the first person who made someone who just looked a hundred percent Like a living Tim Burton drawing right and he was like oh cool

[00:38:59] So now I'm done it's like you and I forever. Let's write off into the sunset right um I love how much How many different like textures there are on his suits? That it isn't just like you know

[00:39:13] It's not just like some of it's shiny and some of its core like texture like the neck straps Then you're very into fashion. I'm getting into fashion Julio. You're yeah chokers. You should wear chokers

[00:39:26] I mean it's it's great. I'm I took notes because I'm starting a fashion line this year Oh, great. Definitely. I picked up a lot of things off of his costume a scissor hands inspired Yeah, yeah well I feel like jumpsuits are pretty big these days right?

[00:39:41] Wearing a jumpsuit definitely looking well he's way and he can't take it off right He can't take that layer off possible to remove it right yeah because he wears his normal clothes over it

[00:39:51] That's the weird implication is that maybe the flesh was supposed to be placed over that No, he had been finished. No, I my understanding was just more that's the kind of material that Best with sure hands. Yes. Oh

[00:40:06] Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that'll like it will keep up with with him if he's rubbing on it versus like cloth Which he would just tear up. I do love the fundamental conceit

[00:40:16] We have to buy into in this movie where it's like a brilliant scientist who can make anything decides to make his own living creature and just for a transitional stage He's gonna have scissors right well that's I Watching it as a child. I I

[00:40:31] always thought that the Tim Ed's dad Inventor was a very mean cruel man Interesting. I always read him as like a a Mean cruel man who did this to him? That's that was my reading as a child. Do you still feel that way watching it now?

[00:40:48] Yeah, why would he put scissors on the It's a weird it's a weird why would you do that? It's a crazy placeholder. It's a crazy placeholder It's a crazy placeholder especially because his idea wasn't I will make a scissor man

[00:41:01] So I will make it and I always read it as like okay. I had my fun with you with this Now here we go Here you go. Yeah, I always thought it was it was very cruel right he was trying to punk him in a way

[00:41:17] With the scissor hands. Yeah. Yeah Also, was he supposed to be a weapon was he? What was the purpose of giving him scissor? Well, he wanted a human to make cookies He does make a heart robot cookie makers

[00:41:33] It's he should have given him cookie cutter hands. Sure instead of scissor hands, but scissor hands are cooler. Yeah, they look cool. I am We also be watching it recently. I I fully relate it with Edward until the moment where the bank told him he had no credit

[00:41:53] And then I was like, oh now I know people talk about having credit or not having credit Yeah, that's true in film. It is like that. He has no credit I know as someone with no credit still have no credit and very proudly Don't play that game

[00:42:10] You say the bank we're like well, I just don't play the credit. Well my what are my happiest moments? One of my proudest moments was closing a bank account. Uh-huh very cool and They were like, but you're gonna need credit

[00:42:24] You're gonna need what if we want to buy a house? What if you want to buy a car and I am like I I Came to this country not long ago. I have nothing. I don't want children. I don't want to buy a house

[00:42:37] I don't know how to drive. I don't need anything Well, and I don't and I'm sick of playing this game You want to move into a long abandoned mansion at the top of it?

[00:42:45] Yes, yeah, and those places you don't need like a down payment exactly. I don't need a mortgage Yeah, right you kind of got squatters rights But that's what I look I just love that they take Edward to the bank though because like yeah

[00:42:58] It's just like Diane Weas is like I'm gonna make I am gonna figure it out selling the Avon stuff, right? Well, let's I just right now. It's like, you know You got it you gotta in this country like you can really you know

[00:43:09] You can pull yourself up by your bootstraps as long as you you know commit yourself and you're responsible as long as you play the game And they take you to the bank and the banks like we don't know who you are because you have scissor hands

[00:43:18] And you're a robot or something and you know Get a job and get a car right yeah, and I just love that Arkin and we sort of well That's outrageous because this is America like you should have a bank account

[00:43:31] That's that's one of the rules you get a bank account. I will say I have the exact same thing where bank accounts scare me I have like a checking account and a debit card linked to my checking count

[00:43:40] And that's my entire life even now that I'm financially stable same here I don't want to engage with money. It's I don't have a credit card. Yeah, I've never had a credit card Bad credit boy See that's because you're playing the game The game played me

[00:43:59] Did I lost the game? No, yeah, and now I'm on the bench You're not in the game. No no no yeah my parents also no credit no credit cards No, see my dad plays the game and loses So I'm the child of that where I'm like well

[00:44:15] I have a checking account and I will check on the chase app every five minutes to see exactly how much money Are those people yeah my I'm afraid I'm losing it But I want to know exactly how much I can spend sure yeah, I'm terrified of money

[00:44:30] This is your money money monster money loving money monster Go on so my my no credit is always questioned and they're like well what you what if you want to buy it an apartment one day

[00:44:41] Don't you know in your home one day? And my answer is when that day comes I will buy it in cash You'll just have a brief. I'll just have it or I won't buy it right right right. It's one or the other

[00:44:52] Those are your two conditions. Yeah, right And I think that Edward things that way too That's the average his life. I am realizing I mean maybe he's kind of got it figured out Eddie. Yeah old Eddie old it but well, but I like you know, he's he's out

[00:45:08] He's inherently altruistic right and I'm commonly gentle man and uncut and he wants to cut Right, he was tested and he said if you brief you find a briefcase full of money

[00:45:18] What do you do and his earnest answer was give it to my give it to my family Used to buy presents for my friends and family And Alan is like well no like you know, you have to take it to the authorities

[00:45:29] But Ed doesn't the I think the authorities are not really a concept. I love that and he gets the people he loves I'm we still don't reprimand him. She goes well Edward I can see why it would seem that that was the right answer

[00:45:40] Right, right, and it's almost in her in her delivery of that line It's almost like she's saying like I once also thought that is also my instinct to buy a present for my friends and family

[00:45:50] But actually even though I don't fully get it. Yeah, you're supposed to give it to the authorities. Yes, right? Yes, yeah, right, right? Yes and So right he doesn't want money I don't think no

[00:46:01] He knows he or what he's told like well if you're providing a service you should be charging people and all that but like He just wants to cut people's hair and cut people's Because he Well, no, so they like it and he likes to make people happy

[00:46:15] Yeah, sort of seems to be his general He doesn't know how to communicate with people Maybe much like Tim Burton Articulate man who can't string together a sentence, but then when he makes these things people can respond to them It's like cool. This is my dialogue

[00:46:28] Yeah, right if I can make this and this makes sense to me and my hands are built to craft this and then people are happy That's done. Those are my relationships

[00:46:37] I think I think it's important that the movie kind of reveals that he's not a simpleton and that like you know when he robs the Panic room later, right? You know when notice I'm so sorry and he's like I knew we were I knew what we were doing

[00:46:50] But you asked me to write and like that's you know She's realizing she's taking advantage of a nice person not a stupid person. Yes, right like that's sort of the key difference Because you do get that sense that The investor did teach him a lot

[00:47:03] Yeah, and there's a he's teaching him the manners when he's a deconstructed half-boy on a table, right He's a little Emily post creature. Yes I Just like holding my hands like we've been talking about this but it's important so good with fucking opening credit sequences

[00:47:18] Love you love it and the score for this movie so good Very iconic score. Danny Elton said he'd like he built it So it worked as like an opera on its own like that the story would work if you listen to just the album

[00:47:31] Which it kind of does and like a Peter in the Wolf way, right? And the title the tracks are titled into like acts and such But you have old Winona Which I think they do with your Your impression was I thought flawless. Thank you. No, no

[00:47:48] I think it's probably my favorite character in the history of film is old Winona Oh, we know that and clearly JJ Evans agreed with me because that's the only reason you would cast her to play

[00:47:56] Old Spock's mom will say the second I saw her I was like remember when she was old Spock's mom Yeah, you're like isn't she 40 when they cast her Spock's mom, but then you were like

[00:48:06] The age are up. Yeah, she doesn't have a moment where she's not wearing old age makeup She does she does because box a kid. So there's one scene where she's regular Winona one scene where he's like mommy You know, why did you like?

[00:48:20] Make me yes Spock is a bit of an Edward scissor Spock. He says yeah Yeah But but yes, you have her tongue of story I love the image of the girl is like getting engulfed in the bed. I know I love that

[00:48:34] This crazy white angle force perspective thing where she just looks like the bed is swallowing a Freddy Cougar style. Yeah But I think he does a good job of not showing her face too much in this opening scene

[00:48:45] So you don't immediately I guess put together it's all my mom telling me it was Winona and it blew my mind Well, okay. That's makeup It was very good makeup It's very good makeup

[00:48:57] But then you go through the window and you get the whole sort of traveling through the house and the score It's really good table setting thing he does Yeah, and then you go straight to like Diane Weas candy colored suburbs Mm-hmm

[00:49:08] And I do love this like how small and her medic their world is right that she's like going to the same doors of the same people Like she's a lot of salesman and Contrata Farrell's just like, you know, I don't buy anything right and she's like

[00:49:22] She has like all of her relationships figured out she only knows 20 people Mm-hmm And none of them are gonna buy products from her and she just this one day as like I guess there's one more

[00:49:31] House, but it's a good like nice economic setting up the basic dynamic of all the people in the town totally Kathy Baker Very funny performance Joan's fucking rules Caroline Aaron who's in like everything. Yeah, she's Marge

[00:49:47] Olan Jones gets credit in the end credits for composing the organ music in this cool Good job, which rules Oh, yeah, but only Jones is one of those great like early timber and stock company. Oh, yeah

[00:50:03] Yes, even just from the moment like her name comes up in the credits You're like that's the name of an actor in a timber movie. Yes. Oh Land Jones. Yeah Well, she's in Mars attacks. She comes back in Mrs. Peregrine. Oh, yeah as what as The peculiar boys

[00:50:22] Boss at the supermarket The peculiar boys boss at the supermarket that's is that his most recent film No, it is Dumbbo will be coming out by the time we're finishing this but as of the time we're recording. Yes

[00:50:35] That's his most recent film. Dumbbo. Yeah, okay another sensitive movie another sensitive movie I mean Dumbbo looks like they're setting it up to be a similar kind of here's an outsider Who all these human beings are reflecting upon right?

[00:50:48] Seeing themselves in and their relationship to him and how much suffering he can endure right I just can't deal with like circus aesthetic. You don't like circus stuff. Oh, no, I I love I I

[00:51:02] Love Dumbo as a child me too. And I love just two scenes in Dumbo the The mother rocking Dumbo With a baby of mine. Yeah, and then the train going through that hill at night. Yes During the rainstorm, but anything circus just like the cotton candy whimsy

[00:51:28] I don't do circus okay interesting. Yeah, I guess someone doesn't get enough credit for being good train movie I mean you were a big train kid love it. Love the train Dumbo when as a kid Dumbo Right Was too

[00:51:43] Elementally upsetting for me to watch that often like because it's just so dumb one Pinocchio I don't know and Bambi were the ones that I yeah, you know, I'd watch a lot though Pinocchio is fun It's got like magic Very upsetting. Yeah

[00:51:59] Well, that's more circusy stuff when they're turning into the donkeys is that circus or carnival? Okay, okay Pinocchio another Frankenstein Yeah, another construct. Yes, I finished construct which I forgot he almost did a Pinocchio movie like six years

[00:52:16] That makes perfect about it. Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. Has been trying to make a Pinocchio movie at Warner Brothers where he's Jepeta Yes, and then when Tim Burton left they hired Paul Thomas Anderson right and then he got fired And now it still doesn't have been made

[00:52:30] It's a tricky needle to thread the Pinocchio story is it's awful because it is Inherently a 19th century Italian novel about how children should listen to their parents

[00:52:41] Because I used to read the book all the time and the book is basically like and then Pinocchio didn't listen to Jiminy Cricket And he was hung from a tree like you know like that That's like every chapter ends

[00:52:51] Which for Pinocchio being hung from a tree is like essentially being choked out Okay, by his own kind. Yeah, you know what I'm saying Yes, yes, it's like if another human choked you to death

[00:53:03] But yeah, no, the dumb dumbo and Bambi movies about like loss of parents and like the inherent cruelty of mankind Yeah, but that's like yeah My brother Jamesy would like avoid any movie that was like aggressively sad

[00:53:18] Where is like I flocked to it because I wanted to feel but Dumbo I feel like was one of the only ones that he would watch with me because of all the train ship

[00:53:25] Because he was like a vehicle kid. Yeah, like a lot like a lot of little boys See if they're wheels if engines see I was just a train kid like cars. I wasn't as into

[00:53:36] Interesting. I like trains. I like trains. They don't like cars. I like like maps. I like systems You know, I like learning a train map things like that, you know, that was my deal

[00:53:44] James was very into vehicles and was especially into like like like policemen firemen like any sort of like jobs rights Jobs Because my brother was like that like he announced like I will be a milkman

[00:54:01] For six months, so he was all in on that and then he was like I'm done with that I'm gonna be a train conductor because I saw one right and so now that's my new job Yeah, my my brother was really into this British TV show postman Pat

[00:54:13] Which didn't postman Pat was I how would you know we can't know because we're bringing it back later It's so exciting when we bring it back

[00:54:22] What I don't know what you're talking about. I believe this is the episode where we need to talk about whatever you're talking about I grew up in Brat logic. What? How long have you been holding this back?

[00:54:33] God, wait, it was so much better when we bring it back in the other episode I don't know look the point is postman Pat Fox Yeah, postman Pat and his little whack-and-white cat right which is a show that's not familiar with English puppet show stop motion

[00:54:47] Little felt man who's a postman? Yeah, he looks like a hot dog. He does I'll show you postman Pat He drives a little red car and he lives in a little English town and he delivers the mail

[00:54:57] There's very little comfort. He has a cat called Jess who's black and white right and You yeah, usually the biggest issue is like, you know, the bridges out or something

[00:55:06] The name is smudged on the on the package and you can't figure out where I have never I have never seen that in my life Britain postman Pat fireman Sam. Yes those are the two that James liked yeah, and This was the early 90s

[00:55:19] And we used to have to get like family members to ship us Postman Pat and fireman Sam VHS's and then my father would have to like get people who could convert them from pal to NTSC to pal yeah right pal to NTSC right right

[00:55:36] We had to like get like contraband postman Pat Like a multi-region video player right yeah onto new new cassettes. Yeah Yeah postman Pat and his black and white cat right and I was like yeah, I get Edward Scissor

[00:55:50] I don't want to ever have a job. I want to sit in the corner sure and then sometimes cut things right Do you know what is the most impressive aspect of this film? Mm-hmm sound mixing okay? Like because of all the blades

[00:56:03] I think yeah, I think that's what really sells the movie and and the danger of How scary it is to have large sharp blades on your hands well so much of the tension of the movie is

[00:56:16] Will he and eventually he does will he cut the ones he loves right like that's the But yes, what's so scary like every time because even when we know he's so careful Right you're like oh no careful

[00:56:29] But there's so many things where he just the most tumblr line when she says hold me and he's like There's the moment where he's like pointing out things in the window when Diane

[00:56:38] Weasley is driving him through the neighborhood and he like reacts strongly and points and almost slashes her across the throat Yes, so they set that up very early on and then the movie gets like a lot of fun a lot of mileage out of like

[00:56:50] Oh, he's gonna burst the water bed. He's gonna bring yeah Yeah Yeah, but but it is it is the like the checkups gun in this movie is like when it wins again cut a friend Yes

[00:57:00] But I just was watching this and now you know having worked in this industry and peeks behind the curtain I was watching it and just you know Sound mixing no just realize on top of your side. It would have sounded like dull plastic

[00:57:17] Right, right right like on set sure performance would have been great Yeah, but it also would have just sound like not dangerous, but like yeah, you know Sure because there's zero chance But but there's like such clear like snips

[00:57:30] Every time he articulates any finger whether or not he's cutting something you hear the clanking you hear the sharpness Which like that that's what keeps the tension in the air for the whole movie Are you saying that the scissors weren't really metal? I

[00:57:43] Believe they were plastic and if they were metal they were dull I think this is one of those movies where they probably had like seven different versions depending on what he had to do within a scene But there's zero chance they were making that kind of sound sure

[00:57:55] I would bet they were plastic largely so that they weren't making sound right uh-huh because on set They always are just like let's get as clean as possible Like don't do anything right in my like years of only getting hired to play like computer techs on cop shows

[00:58:10] You're like don't type that was the bait of my existence actually type was like the only thing you've hired me to do is sit here and Type intensely and they're like can your fingers be one inch above the keyboard? Oh, wow

[00:58:20] And you feel so stupid when you're just like ghost typing Yeah, a keyboard. That's right below. I one time I Can't even remember what the show was but I auditioned for when I was and I while I was auditioning

[00:58:35] I was like this is this is a Griffin Newman. This is yeah, it was it was like very much of like You know Jared and Hans and then like and then just like stealing of

[00:58:48] So quickly some facts the name I use as a joke because this is one I auditioned for and then the project got canceled because of a lawsuit But I was at one point in the conversation to play a computer tech named Shalom Rodriguez. Oh

[00:59:01] My god, let's try and cast as wide in there as possible here It's in those it's in those little roles that they can shoehorn in diversity Because they're not because they're just they're on screen sometimes so sure it can be a Rodriguez

[00:59:17] We're gonna be credit right so they're like yeah exactly get a Jew or get a Hispanic and Then we'll pretend like the joke is it's funny that he doesn't match the other half of the name

[00:59:28] Right, right, right. It's like you either get like Michael Pena and his name is Shalom Or you get me and my name is Rodriguez Sure and therein lies the comedy it was win-win and they got sued because it turned out the rest of the script

[00:59:39] Was copying girl the dragon tattoo perfect Shalom Rodriguez they were like four weeks away from filming and the seagull arson estate sued The network that was producing the pilot. Well, do you currently relate? to Cesar hands it as a character

[01:00:01] Yes, I think this is a big question because he was so much an avatar for me as a child I was a very sensitive child who felt very easily damaged by everything same

[01:00:11] And you know the well well for boys kind of thing and this character is so elemental And like when no one was my biggest movie crush. That's the reason David and I are friends I love when I'm in general in this she is a bit. I

[01:00:26] Don't have a lot. Oh, no, I mean this character doesn't exist, but I'm saying when I was a Emotionally undeveloped 12 year old. I was like this is the perfect woman. She wears a very clean dress and she's nice She's clearly pretty and she's nice

[01:00:42] Right, and she's nice to the sad boy Like I was like that's my dream girl and didn't notice until watching it now for the first time in 10 or 15 years Like oh, there's no character. They're not much Jason go back right go back

[01:00:55] But but I was like you know I I Was watching it now through the prism of like is this one of those movies that like made a bunch of people feel like

[01:01:06] They had the latitude to go like you don't understand me absolutely and there's there's certainly a space for those moves. I mean It's like a Donnie dark. It's a Donnie Darko effect right of like donnie darko is this right like 10 years later

[01:01:20] Yeah, kind of happening right it is that for a new generation And because this was and we need a poo is the current Yeah, cuz pooh's the star yeah Was so you asking if I relate to it now

[01:01:38] Yes, my battles. I was watching it was like I certainly have a muscle memory of relating to this Uh-huh elements I connect to but I also feel like I've spent much of the last five to ten years

[01:01:48] Trying to kick any sense of being a victim or misunderstood out of my head of course and that's very healthy Right, which I think is healthy That's very healthy

[01:01:57] Right, and I think this is one of those movies that can like cause people to fall into a trap to be like I never have to grow because I'm misunderstood and it's their fault. Yeah I mean you can relate to it in a way that's not

[01:02:07] There are healthy ways to relate to this. Yeah, I I Fought I didn't I don't think I related to it as a child cuz I thought well, I'm not spooky. I'm Pretty you were when I was like

[01:02:20] Oh, I'm gonna but I'll be kind enough to be nice to the exact but uh, I now I was like, oh, yeah He has no credit. He's like He's like weirdly an immigrant Basically, he's like learning how this world works. Yeah, he's not American. He's seeking asylum. Yeah

[01:02:40] Edward is seeking asylum already Except of course, he's not Active in that way because he was brought no right. Yeah, right. I do love that I mean, I love the word you say no, I'm just just just like I love stories like that of the like

[01:02:57] Little mermaid is the same right? She's like in a world that she doesn't know how to use the forks or she like comes her hair with it It's just like This those are I think have been the immigrant stories for so long. Yes. Yes, the like magical

[01:03:14] The magical creature Right and then this heightens that because it's like the fish out of water Then goes into a normal zone that is a heightened timber and crazy normal Yeah, I grew up in New Jersey and An unusual sort of town

[01:03:33] Low class kind of town. Let's say I usually say I Is more or less how I yeah, and so seeing this now as an adult I realized the parents and the adults that treated me in a way that made me feel weird

[01:03:48] I really like really related to that shot of Edward in bed in the waterbed just kind of being like I can't move. What is this like? I Be like nice houses and just that being like oh my god everyone ate at a table together

[01:04:04] Forced suburban normalcy. Yeah, I just I felt that like pangs of being a young man and just being like confused by Nice to the nice families. So you related to him. Oh for sure cool

[01:04:18] I also grew up on a hill in old house and my dad your dad has been to me Yeah, and your dad didn't ever finish right? No. No, you're still lacking a spleen. Your dad is a tinkerer

[01:04:29] You have a sister spleen. No, we're not a sister spleen some mud spleen It's a bunch of you got a bag of mud where you're spleen should right? I love because I had misremembered this How little resistance Edward has met with at the beginning like oh yeah

[01:04:45] He's he's new and he's exciting Yes, all the women all the women are it's a Like it goes from like everyone like starting the whisper network of just like there's a man in town There's a new man. Yeah, like this is just mixing it up

[01:05:05] Then they all are just like this is incorrect God your journey is so amazing like they're like so they work so hard to Understand him and try to accept him There's that great bit with the veteran who like goes up to him and hits his like hollow leg

[01:05:21] He's like don't let anyone ever tell you you're disabled right and then at the end of the movie He's the one who's like kill the cripple I think literally when he turns ugly. Yes the the cop in the movie

[01:05:36] So sweet one of my favorite care when he when he says I did just keep me up at night knowing that Oh my god, yeah That's the thing like almost everyone you expect people Meeting him with revulsion and then warming up to him

[01:05:51] But instead everyone is like well we don't want to be closed-minded, right? Everyone Yeah, they're all in initially kind and remain kind or They let the the mom mentality up to them, but they're distracted by their own stuff very much

[01:06:08] Yeah, so it's like they're like they accept him, but then they just kind of move on They sort of don't have time to obsess right right other than dying we see like putting in the work

[01:06:16] Everyone else is like patting themselves on the back for being nice to him and then walking away Yes, there's that and he's a bit of a curio But I also think it's that thing of like where they're like well He can't be scary because then if he's scary

[01:06:27] He's scary right so he must be fine and there's that thing You know once Winona finds him in the bed and he punctures her such a good and Arkin Just takes him downstairs and he's like women. What are you gonna do?

[01:06:38] And I'm right justifiably upset. Yes bound to a scissor monster And Arkin's just sitting there like That's what's great is that like Arkin never plays when I was a child and I watched this

[01:06:55] I did not understand that character was supposed to be funny right because Arkin is so bone-dry That I was like well, this is like the boring character

[01:07:03] He's like the normal dad and I didn't get that what was funny was the fact that he's talking to Edward scissor hands Like he's not Edward scissor yeah, what do we think about the hairpiece when we are kids?

[01:07:12] I think it's great. I think it's great. It's such an 80s dad hair. Yeah. Wow. It's also great because it's a thinning hairpiece Yeah, like it's not a heavy rare thinning hairpiece right love that big fan of that

[01:07:25] But yeah, everyone kind of like puts in their work like does their performative like we are so inclusive Mm-hmm, and then backs the fuck off until Edward realizes that he's an artist and Then he becomes the cause celeb

[01:07:39] First that that first topiary scene is so good when it's soundtracked by the baseball game on the radio All that stuff is just like depth just plays it very I like

[01:07:49] Like the intricacy of it like it just makes it seem not silly that he's just sort of flapping his fingers around and like Leaves are flying everywhere. Yeah, he looks committed to what he's doing like it makes Edward Lucas Yes, he's so emotionally dialed into it

[01:08:03] And it makes you so happy to see when he's like proud of something right because there are those early scenes where she's trying to teach Him how to smile and it looks so fake the one where she's trying to fix his face with makeup and

[01:08:15] Applying the putty. Yeah, I love that she keeps on going back to that like her calling The Avon lady herself to try to figure out if there's another technique she could use yeah because she can't figure out What to do with his scars?

[01:08:28] But but yes, no he finds like a genuine pleasure in being able to express himself through this This is something unique for once his scissors not a hindrance

[01:08:38] There they're a feature not a bug. Yeah, and then how does he get from there to the hair? It's just the dog, right? Yeah, yeah, he just snips things. Yeah, he's a snipper

[01:08:47] But this is a movie where you start to understand maybe why women are underwritten in timbered movies because timbered is clearly terrified of sex Like the fact that Cutting hair opens the door to women being turned on by him is treated as the scariest thing in the movie

[01:09:07] Yes, yeah, like it this film is so uncomfortable about any sort of sexuality Well, there's also that tension of like he's cutting their hair and He's doing it so quickly and they're mildly turned on by it

[01:09:19] But oh he like I I kept thinking like oh, he's gonna hurt them right Oh, he's gonna snap an ear but they even I feel like contretta feral if someone has a line about like that's the greatest thrill my entire

[01:09:29] Yeah, it's not contretta. I think yeah, I can't remember who does yeah an air marry maybe yeah But that becomes half of the thing is like okay a he's like a hair genius He's the Picasso a hair but be it's also the experiential thing of like you know

[01:09:43] It's it's like a Russian roulette. I guess or something. Oh sure like that He it's like it's like getting a close You know razor shave or whatever right on the edge of danger or something like it's like a very high-stakes version of like a trust fall

[01:09:58] Sure, like the rush comes from the fact that you have to trust that he knows what he's doing Because like one fall which is inherently the tension with any hairstylist right right correct. Correct via

[01:10:09] Will this be okay? I might safe with you right right, but I also feel like because if it's not okay It won't be okay for a while right, but it's also often the tension of sex

[01:10:20] Yes, yeah, yeah, it's just gonna be comfortable like yeah emotionally physically like any of it. Yeah, you know yeah The movie shampoo. Yes I love your shampoo. Yeah, wait by Warren Beatty. Yeah, he's a hottie

[01:10:38] Would you rather get your haircut by Warren Beatty in shampoo or Edward Cesar? Warren Beatty. Oh, it's his or hands Styles are awesome The flamingo Cube yeah, but in the other scenario Warren Beatty

[01:10:54] Touches your head with these ones. I'd rather just go up to Warren Beatty at a bar and ask him to touch my head I don't want him cutting my hair Well, you didn't present that as an option. Yeah, Warren Beatty is obsessed with volume

[01:11:05] Yes, it was all volume volume volume. I'm already a puff boy I Do like that it is this high speed sort of frantic thing until the Diane Weasd one which is treated as this like very like This is that now he finally has a way to show

[01:11:23] His appreciation for what she's done for him and pay her back with this like very tender Precise haircut, right? Also a thing we haven't talked about is I love the clothes that he's given

[01:11:35] The suspenders the big slacks the tucked in white shirt it looks so it is a great look Yeah, such a cool design. Yeah Then everything goes wrong at the end right because one of them come in till minute 40

[01:11:47] And even then she's still kind of back while she's ignoring him. She's got her boyfriend She's just kind of making oof faces at the dinner table. She realizes that he's nice and they're boyfriend's a jerk

[01:11:56] Right, right and they Michael Hall, you know wants to steal his dad's TV Sure yes, his dad does like such a slimy disgusting like Like American jock thing to like feel your father right right right I am scared of my old man

[01:12:19] But they realize it's a smart scam though What yeah steal your dad's TV, you know, I think that's a good plan Yeah, and then step two where do you put it? You sell it go to a pawn shop and then he gets some money

[01:12:35] I always got so he's breaking into his own house his own white Can you remind why he doesn't have good keys to his dad has this like special room

[01:12:44] That only he has the keys to where all his fancy shit goes. Yeah, probably cuz he knows his son is If this character were a little more self-aware he'd relate to Edward in that his right Right, he's perceived as dangerous. He can't go around nice things. He's yeah

[01:13:07] Rewranged to go anywhere he wants in that house having sister hands when he runs away Arkin's just like hey went over there. I don't know a walk But Edward knows it's a privilege not a right this isn't no no Alan Arkin singing on the rooftop is later, right?

[01:13:24] When he staples the snow cuz it is California, right? But he's like really having to go at that song. He's great. He's gonna ask her yeah Yeah for a little miss sunshine, but I mean deserve it for this right

[01:13:36] But they said accidentally like this is Alan Arkin's first Academy Award for singing on the roof and Edward's I'm sorry little miss Yeah, you know it all goes wrong come on, you know, we know what goes wrong. He's a scissor man

[01:13:49] It's gonna go wrong. Yeah, I think that inevitability scared me as a child I just didn't know how wrong it was gonna go and I didn't want the fun times to last like once

[01:13:58] I had been lulled into the security of like they accept him. It's fun. He's an artist. I So dreaded the turn right but Obviously he makes the ice sculpture and right now the dances in the snow, but right after that

[01:14:13] It all starts off and thought was the peak of romance. Yes Yeah, yeah, it was you have your relationship Been through your life They tend to dislike the fact that I wear scissor hands at all time

[01:14:28] I would say but they love this now insist on dancing. These are my relationship goals This is who I learned from What else is there anything come on

[01:14:42] The thing that always shocked me as a child and honestly shocks me now is that he kills someone at the end Yeah, right, right like you don't think he's gonna do that. What's also shocking is the bully should know that he

[01:14:54] You don't fight a scissor. Yeah, you don't punch a scissor hand Right, what's crazy? Well, he's will he's so cocky, right? Right and every such a you know, you know downtrodden dorm out of a person Right, but he ignores the the old adage

[01:15:10] Never bring a fist to a scissor fight, right He's fighting with fists in a in a scissor fight David He does have a gun. Oh, that's my favorite. He does have a gun. Yeah, I have a gun My favorite subplot in the movie is the son from Honey

[01:15:27] I shrunk the kids trying to get Edward to play rock paper scissors, right? Yes And then getting tired of playing rock paper scissors So that's such a such a fun baby little joke It's such good kid logic of like this guy would be the best to play with

[01:15:41] Because his hands are one of the things and then realizing no he's the worst to play with his hand It's no fun only one of the things how do you guys feel about vans with flames on them?

[01:15:50] I mean, I like yeah, I'm into that. I think you're more into that I saw that as a kid and I was like fuck. I want that van. So why don't you have it? Yeah I'm driving my license is suspended. Is it really? Yeah

[01:16:04] I thought when you asked that question you meant like slip-on shoes Flames tampoed on them. Oh like van Like limited edition Guy Fieri vans, which I'm very into those those are cool fire shoes are cool. Yeah Yeah, I don't know. Are there other things to talk about here?

[01:16:21] No, I mean it all goes Pete Tong as the English would say and he's chased to the mansion Yeah, and by people with pitchforks, they don't have pitchforks, but they might as well Right and the cop helps him cover up the murder Yeah

[01:16:36] No one like no one really picks up the body There's no there's no one's too scared. They want to they want to forget about that. There's no informing of Well, what about this kids parents? No, it kind of is clear everyone

[01:16:52] Yeah, they just dissipate just like look I mean death is a death It's like all of them Like cancels it out because we like grew to hate the other one too, but now they're like

[01:17:01] I mean we were gonna lose one guy from the community right this was probably our first round pick right, I also feel like the The idea is that maybe like a generation or two later You know people will forget about it. The house will just stay there

[01:17:17] He'll just stay there right and then maybe once again Someone's interest will be peaked enough to sort of like go check it out again And maybe he'll come back So close still to all these right and they just like choose to turn him into a legend

[01:17:29] Right, but but I mean it is kind of nice that like Anthony Michael Hall charges for him right and then he sticks the hands out Yeah, sort of self-defensively so it's not like he didn't know he's gonna kill him

[01:17:40] Yeah, it's also not like he's an issue. It's just shocking. This is like a PG movie You know you just don't see it going this way It's a 13 with that much blood on his blades and all of that sort of stuff

[01:17:51] But it is also the thing you expect he's a scissor hands man, right? You know it we are finally yeah Surrender is like I this is where I belong. I should sit by myself in this corner for the rest of time

[01:18:05] Right, which which I just found unbearably sad look this would make me cry a lot as a child But I do think obviously at the point that Tim Burton's making this movie he like his His art has connected with the masses. He's found his place. He's very successful

[01:18:21] People are letting him follow his whims to the end of the earth. So I don't think it's about him actually feeling Disconnected from society as like a citizen right at this point

[01:18:32] I think the movie is just about him being like I don't think I will ever understand other people Yeah, you know like there's this concession the fact that Edward chooses to stay that the movie doesn't end with the people

[01:18:44] Killing him but it ends with him being like I'm just gonna sit here and pretend that I'm dead and Just wait out my eternity Yeah, I guess so is him just sort of like maybe you know that's what I'm saying. Maybe things will change

[01:18:56] Yeah, maybe back right the daughter comes back or whatever the granddaughter I don't know but uh, yeah, it does it does just feel like him being like it doesn't matter My pitch got bought Edward's is your hands too. I just sold that for five million dollars. Oh wow

[01:19:12] This time around as she goes back up and he's there still and they bring the granddaughter Yeah, although actually we should talk about Because that's the real reason you could never make an ever sister ends to

[01:19:22] This is I will say we've been watching obviously a lot of depreson land. Uh-huh. This is not a great time to rewatch depth This is the the one that makes me

[01:19:33] The saddest you mean just because of like what was sort of once so great about him as a performer yes, and also I think He was able to run off the juice of this movie for so long in terms of like he also is misunderstood

[01:19:53] Like he's not one of these Hollywood movie stars. Yeah, he's not some asshole He's actually this weird wounded lost soul and so Cole Sprouse, right? He was the Cole Sprouse of his time

[01:20:04] Because I think that was the thing of like everyone thought giant up was just another pretty boy But actually he feels as weird as we do and then sort of coming to realize like I don't know

[01:20:12] Maybe it's just like the same sort of like but he's talented. So there's that yeah or was talented Well, I mean even Amber heard in her allegations and all that

[01:20:22] You know when when they were having the divorce was pretty clear about like he became an alcoholic and a drug addict Yes, you know where she was saying like he was not always an alcoholic and drug addict

[01:20:32] Like you know he has entered a spiral of super addiction that is you know ruining his mind Yeah Like she that was very like she included all that like the divorce papers and all that sort of stuff when they were like

[01:20:45] Figuring out their divorce. Yeah. Yeah, and it also is I mean you read all those pieces about it And you just like calculate like how much fucking money he was making off the part of the Caribbean movies That's like that's just not good

[01:20:58] Well, you know like that kind of like when people stop saying no to anything and you start having insane amounts of money Especially when you're a weirdo, right? Like it's the same thing with like we second like Nicholas Cage Bankrupted himself buying dinosaur skulls

[01:21:14] Right. He built a pyramid like in the desert that he lives in or whatever There's a reason why like the people who have billions of dollars are like boring businessmen Yeah, I mean it's really a slippery slope, right?

[01:21:28] Like people who like don't have interests or personalities and just like really great money, right? Yeah, whereas I think if you like things and you have access to all that money you start going insane I like wine and I'm so interested to just see like a

[01:21:42] Like a rundown of what he was consuming Yeah, like a week of how expensive these bottles wasn't that the thing though when they were like it's been said you're spending 30 grand a Month on wine. He's like that's outrageous. I spend way more than that

[01:21:56] Like in that recent rolling stone I'll sue you it's 50k of him drinking like a burgundy from like 80 something and just slamming it down like that's so crazy. Yeah, right, right? He's just like drinking wine like it's cans of beer

[01:22:12] And I believe he's just still in that state that rolling stone article suggested that he's basically just like a hash smoking monster Right and that he was sued front city lies for punching someone and this the lawsuit was like

[01:22:23] He just reeks of alcohol and does drugs and the movie is still not been released and he lives in his own weird like mansion He's had to sell most of his properties including the small French village that he owned right not only did he own a Caribbean

[01:22:36] Island but he owned a small French village in which he owned every house in the village Oh, no, he paid to keep a staff on retainer for the different houses So he was like this house is our kitchen this house is our dining house

[01:22:48] Like I just here's a small quaint beauty in the B style Oh, wow, yeah, but that's the thing like if you're Johnny Depp and you're like I love the way it feels to be in a small rustic French village and they're like hey here's 80 million dollars

[01:22:59] Then you do that then you build your own weird French. Why no Disneyland sure Anyway He now lives in like a mansion. He never goes outside. He's a vampire He drinks all the time apparently the only people he surrounded by are like the people who work for him

[01:23:14] Yeah, he's a salaried employees right? He also has a band You know what they're called Hollywood vampires. Yes, sir Should we play the box office game? We should okay cool This movie did did weirdly well

[01:23:28] Yeah, this movie made I'm gonna get you the total 56 million dollars. See I'm so bad with money I don't know if that's a lot or a little for a movie. Well adjusted for inflation. It's about 120 Yeah, so a lot of early little for a man

[01:23:42] So it's a lot of money for any movie but it except for a really big movie, but it's a lot of money for a movie like this Yeah, I don't think this movie was that expensive. What do you think? I think probably cost about 20 30

[01:23:52] Yeah, and I do plays on that one street. Yeah exactly right a million dollar budget, right? Right and beyond that like the movie is sort of like Right doesn't have a big well when known as maybe approaching big stardom at that point

[01:24:04] But like doesn't have a huge star You know like it's certainly not a movie that's guaranteed to be a huge success it opened small It's on its face maybe looked like the small passion project

[01:24:17] He made in between Batman movies and the fact that it worked at the time rather than being a cold hit years later Is kind of surprising? Yeah So it opens limited release to theaters December 7th 1990 number one that Week in its fourth week

[01:24:36] My guess is it's the biggest movie of the year of 1990. Yes, it is the biggest movie of the year to Kids movie very Christmasy. Oh, I'm alone. Home alone. Yeah, anything a home alone I I don't get the The American obsession with home alone. I Know

[01:25:00] Remember I remember scenes of it that I like all the you know when the little traps he says yeah, but there's this incredible Nostalgia for home alone that I I can't seem to access even even the even though when I

[01:25:17] When I was that age or whatever I really enjoyed it and I loved it It feels like I have left it been a thing in the last three years where our generation has started demanding that it be ushered into the canon as like one of the undeniable classics

[01:25:32] And not even like that's a like a movie we all have nostalgia for but like can we all agree that it's like It's a wonderful life home alone You know which I don't get now. That's a movie that like I would watch and bits and pieces on TV

[01:25:44] I maybe didn't have the form it is some people are watching a lot, right? I didn't see it in theaters. I would watch two a lot more because it was sent to you or sent New York

[01:25:52] Yeah, yeah, I'd watch that one too and Don Trump's one of my favorite actors But it is weird to me how like it's gone Not just even like a Goonies thing where it's like well, it's like kind of cheesy

[01:26:03] But come on we all love the Goonies to being like we all agree that home alone is a flawless masterwork, right? Right, right very odd to me. I don't know. I'm not shitting on the move

[01:26:12] No, I will say though in its fourth weekend it made this pretty pretty much the same It made its first weekend. It was one of those crazy Cicero hands no no like home alone

[01:26:22] I'm a little me money than so I'm saying like in home alone's fourth weekend. It's making home alone's first week Right, it keeps on making not dropping. It was one of those weird phenomena people just kept going back Yeah

[01:26:32] It was one of the ten highest grossing films of all time sure like it was crazy Successful, yeah adjusted five six hundred million dollars. Yeah, that's insane Like it did like the fucking same amount that Black Panther did this year when he puts the aftershave on

[01:26:46] It burns his face sure So Yeah, he wants to be a grown-up, you know He also brutalizes these two burglars with various weapons Well, they're more than just burglars. They are wet band there Which is a good name for your bandit crew and likes wet things and

[01:27:14] I say that in the least number two is a very Number two is a very snowy movie as well horror movie a snowy horror film Again with the Christmas. It is very Christmassy Interesting the moment another Oscar winner

[01:27:30] No, we horror film that's an Oscar in December isn't that crazy What a movie this is I love this one does it when a performance? Yes best actress He wins best actress. Oh, it's the film misery misery Kathy Bates James Kahn. Yeah, that's it. So I

[01:27:49] Hooli-as we were saying money scares me but this is the one money thing that makes sense Where I have this weird box office catalog for box office. Oh sure sure. Yeah misery huge hit. Yeah Well, not a huge hit actually just a solid hit but a surprise

[01:28:03] You know good movie win for Kathy Bates yeah number three is um, oh I feel like that's a like ahead of her time style icon like I feel like you go to Bushwick now a lot of girls are dressed up like

[01:28:17] Annie Wilkes sure yeah with the sort of little dress and the bow in the hair Ceramic penguin always points north. Yeah, that's what she says in that movie. Yeah. Yeah

[01:28:27] And certainly got a bushwick. It's lousy with ceramic penguin. Yep. Yeah cocky. He didn't get out of the cocky duty car Number three is is an old star and a new star together and the old stars directing

[01:28:40] This is a hard movie to explain also news are also to give you clues Is it the one with Kevin Costner? No It's clean even younger a new person and less good Charlie Sheen. Yeah, what's it called? movies

[01:28:57] In that it's just very forgettable. It's not called the scout. No, it's it's called the something right? It's not called the recruits. No, but it is an R It's not called the rookie. It's the rookie really? That's what it's called weird

[01:29:11] One of the Eastwoods I haven't seen number four is the best picture winner of the year of 1990 sir boy This is your boy. You just said his name. I just said his name Eastwood

[01:29:24] What what did I say his name? That's her boy. You just said his name Eastwood is your boy No, he's what's not his boy. Why did I say just five seconds ago? You were trying to guess Eastwoods costar Oh, oh Costner it's answers with walls. I'm sorry

[01:29:38] It's my best movie with Kevin. I have five Kevin Costner and they cut it out But the gift lives forever I do it for the gifts. I read that's the one thing I write into my contract

[01:29:49] Yeah, you gotta be a gift. You gotta give you gotta get a gift Gotta get a griff number five is a sequel to one of the highest grossing films of a few years ago Jurassic comedy no very very

[01:30:02] High concept comedy three men a little lady three men and a little and a little lady Was that one directed by me boy as well? No, you boys out He's not interested is weird that Spock directed the highest grossing film of a year. Yeah

[01:30:18] He made three like hits and then he made three weird movies and then that was that yeah That gene Wilder movie, but he made is like very weird disaster. Yeah, the last one gene Wilder ever did Leonard Nimoy. Yeah, so that's it. Yeah, we're done. Wow

[01:30:32] Well, what's to say Edward says your hands we stand a legend Yeah, Johnny Depp send us some wine right sure He's looking to like kick some of the collection Johnny Depp seek help and be publicly accountable for your sins

[01:30:45] Please yes, do you think Tim Burton and Wes Anderson? Like each other. You know I had that because I've always had this They've always been like the Sun of the Moon to me. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes one

[01:30:58] You know the pink to the black the the very like decided aesthetic sure It's an interesting question. It's a they're the they're the They're two sides of the same coin and they're both

[01:31:10] Fundamentally comedy directors, which I think people sometimes lose track of that like comedy is the main thing They're interested in but they can also make dioramas together, right? The big difference is that like Wes Anderson has just become like more and more analog

[01:31:26] Like moving backwards retro technique and mr. Tim Burton is this Green screen on top of the screen right? Yeah, yes. He greens greens green screens into green screens Yeah And then also now like he doesn't seem to generate his own stuff anymore

[01:31:41] Like he sits around and waits for someone to be like Dumbo and he's like fine Yeah, okay You know where's what's Anderson's like he's he's cracking open that notebook every time right coming up with something new There's monogram notebook His very carefully monograms notebook

[01:31:59] Where just I guess to sort of speed round I mean, I don't want to put you on the spot with this But there the reason I knew about the Colleen Atwood thing that you were such big fans because your favorite movie the last couple years was

[01:32:12] Huntsman Winters worth my favorite costumes to right is that an outward? That was not movie. I reviewed that movie. Yes. Yes The That was a movie That was costumes first right yeah, that was you kept on going bananas about the poster campaign for that move

[01:32:31] Yes, because they had a lot of individual No, right And I and I love that it wasn't a battle of the elements necessarily because one was ice and the other was gold Right, right. It wasn't fire and ice. It wasn't silver and gold. No, it was ideologies

[01:32:50] Yeah of snow and have you seen this film? I have not I have seen oh my god. It is it's crazy The logic it's it's a both a prequel and a sequel to the right

[01:33:02] It opens like in media rest, but then you go back to like when she was still around and the Because isn't Charlie's only in like ten minutes. She's only like right at the beginning in the end

[01:33:11] She's in the beginning at the end which are the best because that's when the Queens are there right a lot of it Fighting Queens yes, fighting Queens is good the fighting Queens I completely forgot

[01:33:24] Chasane and Hemsworth are in them right they have a lot of it where they're both like soldiers on either side of Interesting kind of play Merida from brave sure she's a warrior Yeah, she's got like these two were curves

[01:33:38] That was my takeaway from the movie was like oh the first one's obviously riffing on Snow White And this one feels like they're now riffing on brave and frozen it's it's a perfume commercial turn into an action film And it is so funny the

[01:33:53] Charlie's Theron comes out of Emily Blunt is looking at herself in the mirror as the Queen of Eyes And she goes mirror mirror in the wall who's the fairest of them all and then Charlie's Theron Comes out of the mirror and goes does this answer your question? and

[01:34:14] Then Queen of Eyes asks Queen of Gold Exclusively Queen of Eyes has Queen of Gold, but sister Are you dead? And the Queen of Gold goes not Dead But not alive just Somewhere in between and you can tell that the

[01:34:43] The creators of the film don't know the answer sure they do not know the answer Right, it's so crazy. I don't think that film had a script or anything like like you said it was just they designed It was gorgeous in the facts Exactly It was gorgeous

[01:34:57] This will come together It's the most expensive Herald ever made Improv yeah Also, they the the Queen of Eyes is wardrobe I read or saw that She was meant to look soft and hard at the same time

[01:35:15] In a very like sister hands kind of way where it's like she's She is a queen and she's beautiful, but she's also like this kind of like warrior Yes, so she wears a lot of like chain mail skirts sure Scissor feet. Yeah

[01:35:30] Are there any other just before we wrap up sort of like Burton style icons that you want to like pinpoint throughout the rest of the Filmography other other Burton looks that like have stood out to you over the years Other Burton looks I I mean anything that becomes

[01:35:47] Halloween costume the hollow like Beetlejuice is like wow just like wild hair and stripes Yeah, your pro stripes and the Not normally, but I just thought that was Great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Well, thank you so much for being on the show Yeah

[01:36:06] You've been like out of the country filming and we like got you like just in time just in time because you're going somewhere I'm going on a little vacay great. Good for you. He's going on a vacay that means fans

[01:36:20] Listen, oh that glass is gonna post a little late on the 20th. That's the thing that it means Yeah, we have seen glass already. I am now going on a trip and right when I land

[01:36:31] We're processing it you're going on a trip to process glass and then you'll right. Yeah, but I'll give you my hot take David I'll let you say the hot take no what will plaster piece. It's a plaster. Wow

[01:36:43] Definitely, I think most people have already posted will disagree with us Most people are other film critics are angry with me and keep saying things like explain yourself Anytime I'm like, I liked it. I thought it was good. They thought we were trolling right

[01:36:57] They know we're just kidding. We're genuinely a few like I was a grinning ear to ear at the end of the movie like riding a high I was chanting

[01:37:06] I felt like that. I felt perfect movie. Yes. That's what I felt like. Yeah, I went this is a glass trip He's yeah, I felt that when I saw Valerian and the city of a thousand planets. I mean don't get this guy started

[01:37:16] I saw it. I was I was away I was in in Scotland and I and I hadn't read anything about the critical reception or the box office for Valerian the city of a thousand planets and I go in Hoping for the best and I come out and think

[01:37:31] Timeless classic. Yeah, well, that's what it is. I come out and think perfect. You're right Absolutely perfect and then I read that everyone hated it. Not me David put it on his top 10 of the year

[01:37:42] And I raved it in the pages of the Atlantic which was founded by Ralph Aldo Emerson and Harry Beecher And then later I wrote about Valerian. They died for your sins Well, those spookies will be premiering sometime this year. Oh sometime this year supposedly yes

[01:38:00] And you're you're one of the best in the biz. Oh, thank you. That's very sweet. You are too Oh, thank you. Are you people are best in the biz? Yes. Yes, and David is also the best

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[01:39:47] Announce next week announce next week preview episode 200 Can you imagine 200 of these 200 we're breaking some glass for episode 200 We are breaking glass, but it'll come out a little late. I'll come out late on Sunday early Monday Yes, that's just because of vacation scheduling it won't be typical me

[01:40:07] All you friggin nerds. Okay hold on to your hammers. Don't be sliding and Messaging me and yelling at me. It'll be out. Let me they came please And as always All set

[01:40:28] We're all set. Do you have it pulled up? Do I have it? No, what do you want me to pull up go to go to IMDB? alright Okay It's gonna be stupid I butch for a quote. That's how I open. Oh got it

[01:40:44] So you have to say you could have gone up there You could still go and then you say how do you know he's still alive? Let me just get in the character

[01:40:54] Imagine you're wearing 40 pounds of prosthetic makeup. It wasn't bad makeup. I think it's really good. Yeah, it's good It's a mad make up at all. I remember Well, I'll save this I'll save this Are you ready? Yeah, okay sure and really feel the character