Emperor Darth Sidious - Revenge Of The Podcast

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello!

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello!

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Revenge Of The Podcast!

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You were gonna do that.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't either. I'm going with the flow.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No!

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Power!

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Griffin Newman.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm David Sim.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Griffin and Dave present, Revenge Of The Podcast.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Supreme Chancellor edition.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: This is our Supreme Chancellor edition of Revenge Of The Podcast.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who don't know, jump in on this episode.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Bad episode to jump in.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously! It all comes down!

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about a lot of things in spoiler-rific detail.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a podcast about...

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's become about George Lucas' Star Wars trilogy.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the machinations of Chancellor Palpatine.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what the podcast has really been about the whole time.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's been pulling the string behind the podcast.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So George Lucas' divisive, massively popular Star Wars trilogy,

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: which of course we know consists of three films, The Phantom Menace,

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Tech The Clones.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. That was the number...

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to remember the second one there.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And Revenge Of The Sith.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Revenge Of The Sith. That was the final one.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a trilogy. That's three movies.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: One, two, three.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: One, two, three.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: 99, oh, two, oh, five.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You only make three movies.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of us like to call it the Phantom Menace trilogy.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I like to call it.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You like to call it that.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like...

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You call Dark Knight a Batman movie even though it doesn't have the word Batman in it.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: They do say the Dark Knight trilogy.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but those people are dumb boes.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I hate the fact that the third one's called The Dark Knight Rise.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Me too. It's so stupid.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like calling it like The Dark Knight 2.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But what should it be called?

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Gotham City.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that'd be interesting.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. All right.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Not whole prison?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, whole prison would be a title too.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Prison in a hole.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like snakes on a plane.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Prison in a hole.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be a good...

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, little house keeping...

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Snakes on a Bane.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, David.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You made a funny...

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: David's laughing really, really hard.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, preposterously hard.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He's laughing like Mordecai levels.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, let me find that picture.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't...

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I won't be able to keep it together.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, if you show me that picture, I will not be able to keep it together.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't...

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually serious that you shouldn't do this.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The more you say this, the more I want to do it.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: No, because we have to put...

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It is...

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: God, I'm just thinking about Mordecai.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben, you're not looking.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I see it.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, it changed.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It changed.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, good.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Get it back.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Get it back.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny one.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben's laughing.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's on the front of a car.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So here's some housekeeping up at the top.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got some very important business to cover up at the top.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have some housekeeping.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I have some things to talk about.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: A checklist of things to talk about.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He's loading a checklist on his i-telephone.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The Wi-Fi.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The Wi-Fi.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The Wi-Fi.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The Wi-Fi.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The Wi-Fi.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And he is the worst.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You sound like a cop in the Robert Zemeckis film, The Walk.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They're always like, hey, what you doing?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You're on a wire.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a freaking frog on a wire.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I still think one of the best lines of all time is in Shudder Eye when the

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Capricos weird duly appointed federal march.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And because that movie got pushed back, we had to see that trailer for like nine months.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, totally.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So that one line just like got stuck in your car.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's the first thing I'm looking for.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: As we talked about many a time.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I not pull this up?

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: How to fucking...

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You remember how Nicole Kidman is but also in the Cold Mountain trailer?

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like her accent was right at the top of that and it was so bad.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So much time has passed since you lay.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She really couldn't get that accent.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: How do we see...

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You're sort of vamping while you find just whatever the fucking thing you're trying to find.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: How do we see fucking review?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a review...

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're finding iTunes review.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but this is one actually worth reading your good CY.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I got it.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, we always talk about...

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Review our podcast on iTunes.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Review our podcast.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin and David present.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, check.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: You're doing that right now.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Boom.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Subscribe.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Please do.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Just put a ring on it.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all we're asking.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta put a ring on it.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You know if you're listening, just put a ring on it.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And then put a ring on that robot hand.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And then rate and review.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're lazy, just give us some stars.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a suggestion.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Throw us five.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: One, two, three, four, five.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Easy pick.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Two more than there are Star Wars movies.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna make you?

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you remember how many stars to give us.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You take as many Star Wars movies as they exist and then you add two.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You get two.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Two for Griffin and David.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The podcasting too.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You add the number...

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Number of hosts not participants in this podcast.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Forget Ben.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well that's important.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not part of that formula.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That is important.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: What you just said is...

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's branding.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's branding.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Happy International World Podcast Day or whatever it is.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Ben's birthday.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically my birthday.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So...

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course it's birthday Benny, I.K. producer Ben Hosley, I.K. producer Ben, I.K. Ben Dooser,

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I.K. Mr. Positive, I.K. Hello Fennel.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I.K. The Haas.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I.K. The Haas.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi Ben.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So, what's this review?

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna read this review.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing to point out is just a list of...

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you should be comedy popcorns.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Minajah Traw Radio.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they're all Ben's babies.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We're his favorite babies but you gotta listen to all the other baby popcorns.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the other one that I'm forgetting right now?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going through a breakup.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going through a breakup.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there another one?

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You tell it.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You tell it?

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Long form conversation.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, you tell it.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I said long form.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: No Ben, you tell it.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us what the name of the podcast is.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, what did I say in the last episode?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say it again.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: No bits, okay?

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cut all of this out.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, there's a UCB like hub on iTunes now.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you can find us all.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cut all of this out.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the start of the episode.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I'm Griffin.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's your review.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a Griffin Day present, revenge of the reviews.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We read reviews of our podcast.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I really like this review.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's from 23 Green.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who that is.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What I like about this show is the characters.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I know that oftentimes when I spotlight a review it's because they said something

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: nice about me and I want to put myself in the back.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Just please write me the review.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what's happening here, okay?

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They're all funny and great in different ways.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell David is used to hanging around a more professional office environment.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He has more of a filter than Griffin.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Marginally true.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Who is around comedians and actors all the time so he's more loosey-goosey dirty mouth boy.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair, that's fair.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, that's a good observation.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: David is less emotionally attached to the films than Griffin who genuinely tries

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to find good things about them but usually fails.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting because I'm certainly very emotionally attached but you are...

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible to beat you on that front.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotional attachment is the name of your game.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I fall in love with everything.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: If it were the Avengers, I feel like David would be Captain America.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin would be Iron Man.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm like the Hulk.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd love to be Thor but go on.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm less powerful Hulk but the same kind of unbridled whatever.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And Ben would probably be maybe...

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Nick Fury?

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Agent Colson.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Agent Colson, sure.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But they wrote B, dot, dot, dot, maybe, dot, dot, uh,

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Agent Colson.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Producer Ben is the most relatable character and gives the show humanity.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Low key, really the protagonist of the show.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's true because we're doing this to him.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He's the man who lets us relate.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like once a week these two insane demons invade his studio and make him listen to...

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Go on.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He went from having low self-esteem and feeling bad about turning 30 to being on a past of

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: feeling better about himself now, you can tell he's coming into his nickname Mr. Positive.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's an arc.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's a great show.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it continues that they discover there to be any other Star Wars sequels in the future.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's preposterous.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Disney might make one.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's preposterous.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: If they were to start making one tomorrow.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Start pre-production development.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't get it for three years.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, two or three years.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do some other shit in between.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you any directors you'd love to see make a Star Wars movie?

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: God, I think Brad Bird could make a great Star Wars movie.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you to top my list and not make a Star Wars movie.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Colin Trevor.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that guy's a piece of shit.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck Colin Trevor.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope he falls back down the pit where he came from.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The jail hole.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Snakes on a bane.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Snakes on a bane.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that order of business done.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Please review us on iTunes.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's time.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready?

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope, because I have more housekeeping business.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Housekeeping business point two.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw Hotel Transylvania.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I give it a 6.5.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You saw Hotel Transylvania two.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I also saw Hotel Transylvania two.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw Hotel Transylvania two comma two two.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: God damn it.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Cut all this out.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: New story of the episode.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, this is Griffin.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Griffin Dave Present.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Attack the podcast.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi everybody.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: This is Griffin Newman.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Griffin Dave Present.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Revenge of the podcast.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, right off the bat, I saw Hotel Transylvania two.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I gave it a 6.5.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And you gave the first one like an eight, you told me?

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe 8.5?

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it depends on the day.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a come down.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was not as good.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's still fun.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got great character animation.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Jendi Tartofsky is one of the only people really pushing

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: squash and stretch principles in mainstream feature film

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: animation.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it lacking in plot?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it lacking in like the same kind of like emotional

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: story?

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd argue there's too much plot.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd argue the plot changes every 10 minutes.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, interesting.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a series of different like one real.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate this is sensitive.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a sensitive topic.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But is it the lack of seal of green?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the difference?

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the two stars?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's missing a sense of danger.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's enough of that.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What's your other housekeeping?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Case and point of Hotel Transylvania two, sloppiness.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: The main antagonist who the final fight scene happens

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: against is introduced 10 minutes before the final

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: fight scene happens.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of that kind of business.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of like a haywire in that regard.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, next point of business.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Next point of business.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I read something very disturbing a couple weeks ago

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and I forgot to bring it in until now.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's important, especially after what we

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: discussed last week.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know that on a recent list of the 1,000 most

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: popular baby names in America according to the

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Social Security Administration?

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a very official list.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin was number 957.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So he just crept in the bottom there.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He's finally on the top 1,000.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But that amounts to 218 babies a year.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So just for comparison, the other baby names,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: male baby names tied for 218 are Emmett,

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Baylor, Judson.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Judson is not a name.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And Truman.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Now Truman and Emmett are real person names.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They are just about Emmett.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know a lot of Truman's.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No it is.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a president after that.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That was his last name.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Emmett Otter.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Emmett Otter, thank you.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The Truman Show.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean that's what I think of when I think of Truman.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: His name was Truman Show.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: His name was Truman Burbank, wasn't it?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't his last name is Burbank because the studio

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: is in Burbank?

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's in Truman Burbank.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and by a corporation.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Truman's is for sale, right?

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that movie.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin is a name that was created by a maniac,

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: a solo associate path named George Lucas.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And now we know that this franchise,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: this trilogy is about watching him murder children.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So to the 218-

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And strangle his wife.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And abuse his wife.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not even fucking joking.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's insane what he does to his wife.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: To the 218-

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin's.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Parents.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: No, parents.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Parents, sure.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Who named their child Anakin in 2014,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: knowing all that we know right now.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Go fuck yourself, you're a bunch of Sith lords.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with you?

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Bunch of Sith lords.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: 218 people who won't listen to this podcast.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't listen, you cannot.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You are not allowed to listen to this podcast.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Final order of business.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: My God.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a segue.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I ain't talking about the-

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not talking about the people moving-

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a good earth thing.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a transition to our topic today.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Corrections department.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Last week I said that post Mace Windu fight-

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you turn off the volume on my headphones a little bit?

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I want to hear this correction clearly.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Ahem.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Ahem.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This is-

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No, because I just-

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a bit controversial.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Post Mace Windu fight.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to address this.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: With Palpatine.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Post Mace Windu fight with Palpatine.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I said that Palpatine's face transforms

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and he looks like mumbles from Dick Trace.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh oh.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't mumbles.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Because mumbles is Dustin Hoffman's character.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just remembering that.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't really have makeup.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was thinking of the influence.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The influence has a big bumpy brow and beady dark eyes.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of Dick Tracey characters

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: who have weird made up faces.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But mumbles is not really one of them.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he has like a nose maybe.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's his mouth is to the side.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Because mumbles.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The mouth is to the side.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I always get-

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I always think that the influences name mumbles

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: because his forehead is mumbly.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, well-

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I realize when I say it's mumbly,

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's bumpy.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a horrific mistake.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But it gets us on to our topic for today which is-

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Chancellor Palpatine.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: A.K.A.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Darth Sidious.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: A.K.A.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Senator Palpatine.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: A.K.A. Emperor Palpatine.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: A.K.A. Mr. Positive.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He's very positive in this movie.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie just breaks right for him

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: every single story turn.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I mean as that review stated

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben is really kind of like the anti-anakin

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: of this podcast.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's also sort of the anti-Palpatine

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: turn 30 and then he just went crazy for power.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That was-

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know how to deal with it.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's in the-

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's in the Wikipedia.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's 30 when he-

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Palpatine, yeah.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He hit the dirty 30 and he went crazy for power.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't know much about him.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like his backstory.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Not in the movies, certainly not.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And one could argue his backstory might be

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: more interesting than the backstories of the characters we got.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably more interesting the backstory

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of the random guy who becomes his assistant.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is like you made a three-part trilogy

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: about Igor.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like what?

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I Igor?

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Why does he look so weird?

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make three movies about that child Igor,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: teen Igor, grown up Igor.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He gets disfigured and then he starts

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: working for Dr. Frankenstein.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You joke, I think that is genuinely the hook

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: of Victor Frankenstein in theaters this November.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: With Daniel Radcliffe as Igor.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't have a hunch in it?

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's handsome.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And they've said that it's kind of an origin story

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: for Igor and it hopefully has franchise potential.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So, fuck the world!

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And who's playing Frankenstein?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: James McAvoy, one of our great actors.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I love him.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for that movie.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know why?

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I like Daniel Radcliffe.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I do too.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I really come around to Daniel Radcliffe.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the two of them.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're both fine actors.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that movie looks like a bowl full

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of ball hair and milk.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's probably true.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: A bunch of testy pictures.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I could see Pan tonight.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all supposed to be really bad.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all supposed to have a midichlorian problem.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: David, let's stay focused.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why you're going on these side tangents.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just connected to Star Wars because it has this...

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, it's like...

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got the magic pan and the pan gives him the flight dust.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like fairy dust is basically a scientific substance

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you can mine from like asteroids.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck everything.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway!

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, it's a bummer.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: When someone's gonna give us $200 million to make a movie,

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: there's three of us.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We would fuck it up so hard

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when we're getting made.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be such a good movie, right, Pepp?

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be a really good movie.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: No one would want to make it.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm full of ideas.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben, give us a quick pitch.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying we shouldn't get sidetracked?

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're asking Ben to pitch a movie.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Every 15 minutes, I'm gonna throw it at Ben.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna give us a quick pitch.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben, quick pitch.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: $200 million.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: One sentence.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It has to fill $200 million worth of budget.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an organization that you hire

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to play pranks on people who are mean to you in high school.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's the plot of dirty work.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's go on.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fuck you're right.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the plot of dirty work.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's at most a $20 million budget.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Palpatine.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's bring it back.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No, dirty worker with like an Ocean's Eleven cast.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can do that.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see the orgy.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see like how they became dirty.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do six movies.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fuck everything, fuck everything, fuck the world.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Palpatine.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Cut everything, start over.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, this is Griffin and I'm welcome to Griffin and Dan.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do this starting over a bit.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We've done that too many times.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: No bits, no bits.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Emperor Palpatine.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Is a basic bitch.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So here's, here's let's just very briefly.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna recount his arc over these three movies.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Movie one, he's a senator.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Justice senator.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: From a little planet called Naboo.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Much Bilal.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Little backwater planet.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Much Bilal.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Happily regarded senator and as a result of the military crisis that breaks out on Naboo

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and the fall of the former chancellor, he's elevated to chancellor.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Number two, he's the chancellor.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of like beyond his term at this point or maybe he's about to be.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got like two scenes in it.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He's barely in it.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And the crisis of the clone war.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not to militarize.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's him to literally like extend his term sort of permanently.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a Reichstag fire.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in this movie.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And he militarizes.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And he militarizes.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie, the Clone Wars and he's taken prisoner but then released by the Jedi's

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and then revealed to be the Dark Lord Sidious who's been playing the other side

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and executes all the Jedi's and becomes supreme chancellor of the galaxy with no one to contest his rule

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and also his face melts off and also he gets an apprentice.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he looks like?

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The influence.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The influence from Big Trace.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and also he goes to an opera.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay so let's go through all of what you just said in tremendous detail.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Beginning of the film.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He's been kidnapped by General Koffselot.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Lord Robotossum.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's real good.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you think of that before?

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Just now.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Lord Robotossum.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So they stormed into this room.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: When I say they, I mean Jedi's.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Get with the program.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like fucking episode 26 of this show, whatever.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: They Jedi's enter the room.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They see a spooky chair turns around slowly.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Grievous is there.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Spooky chair.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Weirdly calm.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You mean Sidious.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Sidious.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Palpatine.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Palpatine.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Weirdly calm.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh you've arrived.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like they're kind of...

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Watch out though.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a sithil.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost didn't see you there, you know.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Dukku comes in.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Flubber's a bunch.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: As we've talked about, Anakin tins him.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And on Palpatine's advice.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Dukku.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And he does this like good Anakin.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And Dukku gives Palpatine one last pleading look before he dies.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Palpatine ignores.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's obviously like Palpatine's like your old news, meet the new news.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And he does this good.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Anakin.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Good Anakin.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Do it.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Already a little weird.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Different than we've seen...

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Different than we've seen him act in the previous movies.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: In the first movie he's very pleasant.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's really like chipper.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's quite...

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: How I'm the senator.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's the only movie I think in which McDermott is not wearing any makeup.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: In the second movie he's older, he's got more wrinkles, his hair's a little shorter.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like some apple peel on his face.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And instead of being dressed in these like nice sort of blue and green kind of marine-like robes,

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: he's in black.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Third movie, more black.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of red too.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these crimson reds.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: His throne room or whatever his office is are red, red, red.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It really is it's like sith, sith, sith.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey anyone that's checked out I like red.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Black and red.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm about.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:19:54] Um...

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He...

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's implied that he has taken a real shine to Anakin in the years in between these movies.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's been keeping a sign on him.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I assume that's explored in the Clone Wars cartoon series perhaps.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to that.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's, you know...

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Say do it, do it, do it.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: For the first time like kind of taking direct like command over Anakin.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And Anakin doesn't really hesitate.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He does it because he's told...

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He regrets it but he follows orders.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't supposed to do that.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So the movie goes ahead, there's a meeting with Anakin and Palpatine in the office.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like big fan of your stuff Anakin.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Really like what you're doing.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like oh shucks, thank you.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like thank y'all a potential.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want you to know before they hear about it from them.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to give you a heads up.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: E-mailed the Jedi Council recently.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Told them that I want to point you to be my representative on the Jedi Council.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I want someone speaking to my needs.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm electing you for the job.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: An unprecedented move.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: This is made clear.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: In like Jedi Senate relations.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And these relations have always been very unclear within the reality of this film.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like the Jedi work for the Senate or at least work in tandem with them.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But they also don't follow orders as is made clear here.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of unclear what's going on.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I contend that it's the relationship between the Vatican City and the rest of Italy.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well anyway.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's just my guesswork.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Well anyway.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, this is Griffin.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Griffin Day Present.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Revenge of the Puppets.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that bit.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I officially hate it.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben cut out everything from here on out and the episode at the last part where David said

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that he hates it.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And also delete all former represents.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Erase them.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Scrub them.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Scrub.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Spant a minute.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And it can say oh wow thank you.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like no problem.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And it can go to the Jedis and they're like okay so we got this.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird memo.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Weird memo.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Said put you on the council.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We work for Palpatine.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Technically I guess I don't know.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of like look we don't like this but we're going to do it because we want

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you to spy on him.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're not going to grant you the rank of master for some reason I guess just to

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: make you kind of pissy.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So is all that clear?

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Work for Palpatine but for us but we don't like you.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like a real like I like here have some cheese.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No no cheese like but a little bit of cheese but no cheese.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of those promotions where they go like great news we're giving you a bunch

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of new responsibilities but no added title or pay.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what it is.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin loved what you did on the Clone Wars.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Rescue the Chancellor.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Great job.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Great stuff.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He wrote to us we're really mad about that so we're going to do what he says

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but you're not going to see anything like nothing good for you.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: You know how he wanted you to gain an extra job here?

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to grant you that except without any of the benefits and also ask you

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to do another job on top of that.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there's a third job.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a third job around the corner and also don't worry about the second job

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: but kind of do.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Anakin is like what?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like ooh much anger we sense.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh what?

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh Anakin got to cool off that anger.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Now to be fair Anakin is being weird because everyone else in the Jedi as we

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: much discussed never react with emotion to anything except if you're asking

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: to cost a new wear a certain planet might be.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah go get the fuck out of here.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Shut up.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else in the Jedi especially Yoda anytime Yoda hears some messed up news.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He'll say things like if we didn't see this clone army coming then we're really blinded.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But he doesn't say it.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He says we're blinded we are.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he doesn't say it like he's upset.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No he just goes well.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Jedi obviously know something is up with this guy.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The central question I think that we need to ask is does George Lucas successfully

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: pull off the idea that these all powerful mind reading mood reading

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: wizards.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm reading your mind and predicting the question.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Could they figure like does he pull off that they could be tricked by one

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: super made up guy who wears black all the time and his shoots

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: lightning and is really creepy.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: No no he does not.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: No he doesn't pull it off it's really perplexing.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's continue exploring the ways in which he does not pull it off okay.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He they assigned this new position.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so there's a lot of scenes where Anakin and Palpatine are alone together.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well okay so they given this added thing right then he's really upset.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes to meet Palpatine the space opera that's the next scene.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's their next scene together.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I did today I was hoping you I did one of my patented cuts where I

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You watch the specific parts.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Just watch the specific scenes relating to this.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a much better movie.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure sure.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I would argue the first half of this film if you're only watching the scenes

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: of Palpatine in them.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah before he turns into the influence are pretty solid.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They're better relatively they even play better without the other scenes surrounding them.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably true yeah.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The next scene is the space opera.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah this is probably the best scene in the movie.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Low bar.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Bars buried in the ground but still.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So they go to the opera it's like a huge like theater in the round it looks

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like the galactic Senate.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah that's fair.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The boxes aren't moving.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Think about it.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little balcony but it's totally circular and the performance is in the center

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and the performance is like three giant like gelatinous blue orbs with all these

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: little like wisps floating around them right and then like eyes wide shut chorus.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's called like the tragedy of blah blah blah or something like there's a plot.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's mad sad.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's tragic is shit so but a little foreshadowing there in George's part because George isn't

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: an interesting filmmaker.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So he knows that the there's going to be a tragedy in Anakin's life so he goes oh

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll have the that guy see a show that is tragic and set up this tragedy thematic

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: do you know what I'm saying anyway.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of point something out put out anything you palpatine's talking the

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: whole time.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's real rude real rude you should be quiet and listen to the someone in their

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: little floating opera box to just like drive over excuse me but then maybe they'd be

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: like oh it's the it's the chancellor never mind then they have to back up park back

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in their offer box section.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay important stuff important stuff really important thing to talk about the opera

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of looks like a bunch of sperms floating around a bag I guess so I did

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: realize that today it looks like a bunch of slugger it's great I love spring eggs

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: you can't miss fucking it's a good it's a good scene it's a cool idea it's like

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it's really otherworldly which a lot of things are not so he sits there the idea

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: now is that like he's reporting back to palpatine about what he saw but also

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the Jedi know that he's playing triple agent right yeah and yeah and very much

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: playing his own needs and this is the problem Anakin's having these

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: dreams he's worried about his wife don't fucking this comes up and palpatine

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: starts talking about Darth plague is but why why why let's slow it down I think

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: we got slow yeah how does he know about his dreams I think anything mentioned

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin so Anakin palpatine opens up with like her than I'd like to get a

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: cancer has that make you feel must not make you feel great huh it's like well

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: first of all let's just point this out quickly okay Jedi Council limited

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: membership right there are literally very few seats it's like 16 total it's a

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: however many seats fit in that circle okay they do give him a seat though

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: because they're like yeah we're not giving you master take your seat yeah but

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: there are very good if his seat had like a different leather backing you know if

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: it was blue instead of red or there wasn't toilet it looked the same but

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you couldn't poop inside of it that would be a real outright that's a

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: callback for you long time podcast listeners there aren't that many seats

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: available the only new Jedi we have seen a count appointed to the council has

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: been Obi-Wan and those are extreme circumstances where his master died

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: right a seat was therefore given up I guess so yeah but this is this is new

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: business also everyone else on the council is significantly older than

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin um age is hard to tell with some of these aliens but certainly yes David

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: we've looked up most of these when you though miss what is probably 55 yeah

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like 20 years old man 20 30 years older than okay within human years

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a good difference that's fair right that's a sense of bear portion

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: of your lifetime it's fair it's a fair point okay so it was unlikely it

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: was a stretch that he was going to be made a Jedi master and put on

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: council absolutely he's only on the council because Palpatine asked them

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: because they wanted to play this crazy role but you know if they wanted to play

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the crazy role they could have at least for the sake of show given him that

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: rank a master now maybe they're trying to play their own game where they're like

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't want Palpatine to think he's in with us yeah you know it's a lot

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: of chess being played right but they don't know that Palpatine has

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: like a big hammer that can smash all the chess pieces it was yeah that's

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the thing they think they're playing 3d chess he's playing like 8d chess yeah

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: palpatine's kind of a G I said he was a basic bit for you know he is crazy yeah

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: he will go to it so they're talking and he's like how does it make you feel

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's like not good I don't feel good about I feel like everyone's

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: disrespecting me this and that stressed out having these dreams and he's

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like talking about all this stuff and then he goes you know oh they have

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this conversation he goes well you know the Jedi see things of very didactic

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: ways this and that he's not wrong yeah you know and he says you know there

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: are other forms of force he uses this line I think is very interesting in

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the context of our larger exploration of this movie which is he goes what

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: do you know about this thing because the Sith are driven by passion they

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: make decisions only based on themselves the Jedi's are selfless like

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: he's saying there's not much difference between a Sith and a Jedi right that it's

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: more about huge difference yeah they're driven by passion they make decisions

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: for themselves don't you think it's interesting the ultimate point he's

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: making is oh the Sith are you know acting in self preservation and the Jedi

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: care about the world at large the galaxy at large yeah but the first word he

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: uses to describe that divide is the Sith are driven by passion as if emotion

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: is a bad thing yeah he doesn't say vengeance no but you're absolutely

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: right but that is in keeping with the logic of these movies and the logic

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: of the way the Jedi's behave and beyond that the logic of how these films were made

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that George was like the passion is a problem this scene is too emotional we've got to

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: reshoot it right I find that very fascinating so already it's presenting

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: this like thing but it says being kind of seductive for exactly what comes up

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but you know he goes let me ask you a question has any has any Jedi

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: been able to cheat that what you know it comes out I'm not the crutch whatever and

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: he's like one guy yeah have you heard about Darth play guess Darth play guess the

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: wise he's like no he's like bet the Jedi wouldn't tell you here's the basic

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: field Darth play guess was the most powerful ever he was sith as shit

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_00]: right like crazy sith through and through he became so addicted to power

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that he could do almost anything he could protect the ones he loved from

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: death mm-hmm some believed he could even yeah use the force via midichlorians to

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: create life right right you say you saying he may be created Anakin

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin's the immaculate conception hey I don't know I don't know where he came from

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and we always like to say that what it was his dad because his little boy P.P.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: looks like a wad of nose but let's be honest for a second we do mostly like

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to say that I like to say that and we also I'm gonna flip some cards over on the

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: table we don't know that for a fact we don't it's we don't know what I've been

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: speculating like we've been god we've been joking what a terrible thing if we did

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah we would never be able to get over it we're not those types of guys carry on

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: who carry on look at low carry on I just want to say that very clearly and if

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: we were carry on just be for the purpose of figuring out who's a toy

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Darian who's not that's all we're all we're saying we wouldn't be getting any

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: pleasure from it carry on know who is part of this bit

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and you man welcome to Griffin David present revenge of the podcast I think

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the implication is that plague is is Anakin's father sure or Anakin is the result

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: of plague is his dark experiments that he was created by the dark side of the

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Force to fulfill their legacy it seems like it is fair for you to say this

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but it is annoying that that is so unclear in these movies yes it had three

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: movies to set up a cool idea like that instead it's one throwaway line in the

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: first movie and one throwaway line in the third and you're there to maybe put

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the pieces together if you really want to you know maybe instead of saying

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like I don't know 20 minutes at a droid factory chase here's the other thing

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: plant somebody sees have you read Wikipedia about Darth Plague is no have you

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: yes let's pull it up well sure but I mean I can tell you the basics because

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the conclusion of the Darth Plague is story is anacons like wise and he

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: not dead you know good question came so obsessed with power terrified of losing

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: it eventually he did which is a very weird rush over explanation of how he

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: lost his power but basically like his assistant murdered his apprentice

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: murdered that's like you know he couldn't see it you know on his own

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he was forced to his assistant is assistant killer you know who's assistant was

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah but they don't say that in the movie yeah but that's clear I know it

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: was not clear yeah it's not clear for the for the normal blue collar guy

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: not clear you're being too positive you're trying to see the best in everybody

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the way he presents it is that this is some ancient story yeah long time ago

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: galaxy far far away this guy was like 23 years they knew this guy his name

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: was Hugo de mask Hugo de mask yeah he was a businessman did they go to high

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: school together according to wookie pete yeah they went to high school together

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and then was space high school which one magnet or public yeah no no it was a

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: charter school it's a space charter school really doing good stuff yeah it was

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it was it's really excellence yeah course on a success academy anyway um

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Darth play guess uh-huh was a mun or a moon that was his what's he look like he looks

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like sand hill oh yeah you know it's like a very I mean only real nerds know who we're

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: talking about right now but he's like yep he's like one of the trade guys yeah

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah he's got a long um yeah kind of a narrow but long face yeah and sort of a

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: bald head he's tall and he's lanky sort of looks like a human face just kind of

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: squished but he's got some sort of rub it parts and overtones right I don't know

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a there was a Darth play guess action figure anyway in his public guys

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: he was this like big uh businessman and it's implied in wookie pete that his

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: money uh is the thing that uh funded the clone army so here's a question

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: for you carry on why not if you're planning out your epic space saga and as

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: George contends he knew where it was going the whole time he had the larger

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: mapped out idea for all three films right yeah why wouldn't you make quote unquote

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: ciphodias in attack of the clones be Darth play guess or at least be Darth

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: play guess his real name any any of these tweaks would be good wouldn't that tie

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: together nicely have played us being the first one cipher Diaz be a character

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he manipulates that and then in the second one the clone army thing

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: happens it's like the day I guess betrayed or whatever I don't know there's a

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: million things you could have done there's all kinds of shit happening behind

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the same fucking who Darth but what's Darth like this is real name uh Hugo

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Demas that's who it should have fucking been they just had some guy named

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Hugo Demas ordered a clone army who was he was a wealthy businessman he

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: died no one know what happened no one knowed what happened

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: no one know anyway there's an incredible amount about him on like an

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: incredible amount about him on wikipedia and there's no way we could

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: read it all but eventually city has become his apprentice and they have

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: these experiments to try and create life using midichlorians inadvertently

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: they create anakin skywalker they didn't know that they did that wikipedia

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: contends that that is the case oh it's not contends open shot yeah and

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and then eventually city is kills him so palpatine is kind of anakin

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: is dad now just of them kind of yeah just a few dads just my two

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_00]: dads not my two dads like the show my two dads I have one dad sure

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: just one thing I'll throw out there and I'm thinking is when you run for

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: office and government they always go back the press they vet

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: they look into like what your your background is how how could no one

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: have known that this guy was apprentice to this this this uh sith

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: beyond that they also always look to see like affairs infidelities

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: children you had at a lot if you did drugs yeah they'd be like

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: we found here dna evidence that you made a kid out of magic

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: with your evil boss

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: uh plead the fifth on that one next question please we won't talk about

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: your magic kit

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: so he's telling this story that I think he's doing in a very like

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: wink-winky hat tippy kind of way right where he's going like

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: fortunately he had an apprentice okay dink dink dink dink right

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: right um and uh you know he was so worried about

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to save other people from death he couldn't save himself

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever and he goes is it possible to learn these powers he goes not

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: from a Jedi not from a Jedi great line reading in the trailer

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it's sort of like a crucial point in the trailer and let's say great scene of acting for me mcdermond

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we gotta talk about mcdermond I know we'll have a performance review but he is the star of this movie

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: no question and like he must for a somewhat well known british stage actor

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: to have this like central grand arc in these three movies and then you know

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he enjoyed doing one yeah and then two he didn't get as much and he was probably like oh you know maybe

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and then to be handed imagine being handed the script for three it's like

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got two lightsaber fights your face melts off you have like

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: 80 lines of dialogue it's like you have these crazy monologues

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like he owns a ham store and they just placed a very very large order

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my god can you provide us with 200th hams yeah can you can you serve Christmas ham to

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone in New York City that's all I'm going yeah I want honey glazed and I want

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to roast it mcdermond is a great actor wonderful I've seen him on the stage

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: one at Tony Awake and Sing such a great actor and I love him in these movies but he

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: certainly is very aware that he needs to push the cheese

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's what he's got it's very hard I know ham and cheese bro they go together

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: on a reason like stuffed crust pizza yeah with hot dogs yeah it's just

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: beautiful it tastes great it gives me diarrhea I don't care because I'm having such a good time

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: while it's happening I did yeah have diarrhea every time he was on screen

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the way that we have learned to watch movies is that sometimes characters

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: think and feel things that are not entirely represented by what they're saying

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: sure people have internal show don't tell right right internal thoughts so you

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: infer not only from what people are saying you know from their body language

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: there they're you know they're we understand okay so this scene's

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: happening and he's really tipping the hat yeah I know he's like and the docs

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: not from a Jedi right and Anakin's like staring wide I'd kind of looking at him

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and being like okay I get it like it seems like he understands it is a picking up

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: on the illusions right the next scene their next scene together yeah yeah I

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: watch this this morning why he shows up in the office whatever hey you check in

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: they find grievous oh yeah hey we found grievous they found grievous and he goes

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: on planet Iguana because that's the thing right when Palpatine asks him to be

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: his like yeah he's like number one thing you gotta do you gotta make sure you take

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: down grievous yeah grievous is bad news make sure you take down grievous so

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin's like hey knock knock good news we found grievous and Palpatine's like

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that's wonderful if they have any brains they'll send you out to catch

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: grievous and he's like I think it's gonna be over yeah and grievous is just

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: constantly city is is just constantly going like sounds like they don't like

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you right but it's city is is constantly setting up Anakin to expect more than

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: anyone should expect at that point in their career he's driving a wedge

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: between him and the Jedi but he's going like you know if I were the Jedi

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_00]: is I'd give you a billion dollar raise and he's like can I get a raise and

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: they're like no we don't pay and he's like sounds like they don't like you

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you know Gary on Anakin of his own volition would never ask to be put on the

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: council no made a master at that point I agree with grievous also great it's

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: city is just keep pushing them right okay I mean they both have carry on

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: evil names and he's like you know I've been thinking about what you said this

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and that whatever and he makes some reference to the force and he's like

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: how do you know so much about the force heard of the force how much how do you

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: know about you've heard about the force and say this is like yeah and he's

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like what he's like talking and he's started saying some alluding to some stuff

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: about the dark side I think they're entering this conversation and it can

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: like okay don't ask don't tell I know that you fuck with some sys shit you

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: know that I can is like wait a second wait you're saying the force but

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: after that whole story you told me about the sith and how they look it's

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: like the way the scene is played it's not even the way it's written the way

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: it's acted it seems like anakin's like I got I got I hear it loud and clear

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and then this maybe these two scenes were it doesn't matter from two different

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: movies subscribe to the force magazine yeah and he's like you know in order

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to understand the world you have to learn about all sides of it good and

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: bad you know to say like if I'm gonna be a good broaden your horizons

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but then very quickly goes off from that defense and just like also I just

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck with our chip yeah I you know I've dabbled yeah I've stuck my toe in the

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: water of the sith and he's like are you a sith lord he's like the Jedi are so

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: didactic they do this I'm telling you it's absolute power don't you want to save

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Padme like he makes the big leap it like really quickly really like I would

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: contend this movie does a horrible job yeah and he's like I'm very scared

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: right now and he's like I know I feel it he's like wait you have the

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: force he's like yeah this is what it's the last three times we've talked

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to lay out a couple clear breadcrumbs I fuck with the dark side

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and I have the force and you're still not an Anakin's like whoa wait hold up

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: hold up who told you about the force wait just slow down slow right down

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: why do you know about my dress my name is Anakin Skywalker I'm a Jedi what's your name

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: he's spelling it out for you I've never met you before who are you yeah so

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin's like I should arrest you right now and he's like I sense uncertainty

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: oh shit he can sense oh boy I don't know and he's like you know that you want to

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: trust me that's your only your only way out he really hits the Padme thing it's

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like your only way out is I know that I'm a super creepy old man keeps basically

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like spitting like disgust like yeah Anakin but if you want to rescue your wife

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: who you've definitely had at least one troubling dream about yeah you're

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: probably gonna have to throw away all your training in your life's work and

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_00]: join up with me he's probably blown his mind right now because no one else even

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: knows that Anakin and Padme are married because no one in this galaxy understands

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: any pays attention to anything so Anakin runs back to Windu and he's like

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_00]: yo Windu palpacines is that Lord mm-hmm he's like what are you talking about

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: no but Windu to his credit is like okay no but they're too like he

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: he protests twice I know he does yeah he goes what are you talking about I mean

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: which is fair because it's like if he's a Sith Lord then we really spooked over

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah but they're also suspicious enough that they ask him to spy on them at the beginning

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: they know something's wrong they shouldn't be totally caught off guard they should

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: go you know what that's what it was we knew there was something oh he's a

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sith Lord I mean one assumes they just thought that he was a corrupt politician

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to hold on to power past yeah well Anakin goes like hey I think he's

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: a Sith Lord it's it's Palpatine's a Sith Lord and when he's like no I think he

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he literally says like I think he's a Sith Lord and when he was like oh my

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: no really basic misunderstanding Palpatine's a chance yeah he's the

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Chancellor not the Sith Lord no we don't know the identity don't worry about it

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah but he's obviously someone very powerful not only do I think he's a

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Sith Lord I think he's this guy we've been looking for for ten years right

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and makes Windu's like I'm sorry could you just repeat that very serious

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_00]: accusations say one more time and he's like I think Chancellor Palpatine is

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about the force by the way what is the force yeah he's like you talk about

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the force he has a lightsaber I don't know I don't think the lightsabers you

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: haven't seen lightsaber yet and when he was like okay Windu's like alright I'll

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: go arrest him Kit Fisto get two other guys what's why over there got caller I

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: think his name is Asian caller and I don't remember the other guy once hey

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: let's get a couple guys and it's like you're saying he's the Sith Lord yeah

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: let's get a couple guys get like three guys let's hail a cab yeah hey

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: taxi the hail speech cab Corbin Dallas and the fifth elements flying in yeah

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: if only no no talk of evidence either no talk of evidence no talk of like

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: really build the case yeah you know let's really follow the money here maybe

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_00]: when do you like are you sure and I can like pretty sure and he's like okay

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: let's go Anakin don't come with us and it gets like no I'm happy to not

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_00]: worry like no you stay here so then Anakin goes to Padme talks about how

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_00]: confused he is and it's like you know fuck this I'm gonna go catch up with him

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: see what they're very cool shot of night's not even a window entering yeah it's

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: just like a badass no Jackson's a wonderful looking person it's low angle

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: he looks beautiful man he's got real stress well he's wearing great he's got

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: two cool aliens over each shoulder and it's a real practical hallway yeah it's

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_00]: one shot that that corridor is real because the second they get into the

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_00]: main office yeah so those shots are like totally real like people make

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: up whatever and then he's like pop team company yeah he's like come with me and

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like no no I'm the chancellor shut the fuck out he has some great lines

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: because Mace Windu says something like oh well can I get the Senate on you and

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: he says I am the Senate because that would be treason and then he said no no

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: no no he says so it's treason then he's not fully doing lizard voice yet

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he's doing hand me when he says I am the Senate he's pretty close to

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_00]: getting there he's towing around it he's edging around lizard and then he just

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_00]: takes a lightsaber clicks out a lightsaber and coolest lightsaber we've

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_00]: seen so far it's a really cool red the handle is very elegant yes it's not

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like so Darth Maul's lightsaber obviously two-handed very nice the thing

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: itself was kind of dork you had all these buttons on it this looks like

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: very regal looking it's very dookus red lightsaber with the curvy yeah that

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: was pretty cool but a little over the top yeah little hot topic yeah no I know

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: what you're saying he's got a Cadillac lightsaber it's understated it's got no

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: fancy tricks it's just a good he reveals it well then he turns into flubber they

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: turns into and he flubbers around the flubbers into all the other Jedi's

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: he flubbers them to death he kills all the other people other than me flubber

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: power very quick yeah it's just like bang and he was like now I want to make

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: something that something that is was not present with Darth Maul or Count

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Dooku but I do like is that he fights and he kills with like glee yes and

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: McDermid's really into that you know he's going ha ha and I think that's the

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: most important part of the whole deal right is like he really enjoys this

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: here's a thing that I don't even though he's rumbled he really likes it I

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: agree with you I like that here's a thing I don't like yeah and I understand

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you're gonna fully CGI man we'll flow okay but he's not that that old sure

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_00]: there are a couple shots where it's literally just Palpatine jousting where

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: he's standing still he just sticks his arm out and he's fully CGI I know where

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: they cut to a different angle and you see a fully CGI old man just stick his

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_00]: arm out like they couldn't even trust him to do that I understand the flubber

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: stuff you want spin around if you want doing crazy business yeah but it

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't look good it doesn't look part of the problem is he has this big

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: heavy robe and like they don't know how to animate that at all yeah it's

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_00]: terrible so he has a cool fight with mace windew and he's got him down on the

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: ground mace windew who is really good at his job gets him down on the ground

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah he's got the what should I call it purple lightsaber no the thing that

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Obi-Wan tries to use against Anakin you have to high ground he's got the

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: high ground I said higher ground I was looking for the more specific term

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was just high ground he's got his lightsaber out and he's like okay

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: seriously done seriously under arrest in comes Anakin Skywalker he's like don't do

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: this what you doing you can't right can't kill him I mean no if this one

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: makes me do is like I'm gonna kill it self-defense he's killed two of his best

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah no I mean kill him yeah it's time for Palpatine to die right and can like

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_00]: needs a trial and it's like he's in charge of the fucking thing but then

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it never be a fair trial kangaroo core it's kind of an annoying scene

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: because they have to have this debate while Palpatine is like it's just

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: doing this mock like oh don't hurt me oh evil little Jedi right they start

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: shooting lightning at him so he starts shooting lightning when do when he's

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_00]: reflecting it back and on just by keeping his lightsaber in exactly although he is

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like you know he's there's he's putting some stress into it and it's like he

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't try to attack retaliate Palpatine doesn't go like okay maybe aim a

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: little higher so that it's not but the other problem is Anakin sees this and

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: is like yeah the guy shooting the evil lightning that only one other evil Jedi

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: has ever shot where I saw the light could have sworn it hit me square in the chest

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: this one time adigalia didn't have so but he does say like you say he's like I

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: need her I need I need him you know what are you talking about yeah maybe

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Windu is like I don't know what you're talking about you never talked to

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: him about anything personal if you're having problems your personal life tell

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: me because now I have no frame of reference he's like well Pat made

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that senator what are you talking about that and he's like my wife and it's

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like your wife yeah we already do this bit he goes my wife great this is I'm

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin this is David welcome to Griffin I'm not on this podcast anymore I

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: resign so Anakin chops off Macy's and well first first important detail at the

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_00]: oh oh the lightning power melt getting sucked into the lightsaber and

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_00]: shooting back on him turns him into the influence now here's my question his

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_00]: flesh turns into silly potty yeah and he gets a big butt cheek in the middle of

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: this yeah he's got these sort of crazy is a crease it looks like two butt

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: cheeks yeah now here's my question yeah is the implication that this is genuine

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: scarring from lightning because if so that's stupid that makes no sense it's

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: lightning it would look random and weird on his face not like these

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful butt cheeks yep or is it that like he's always had this like

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: mask to look normal and like that's melted away and this is what he's always

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: looked like underneath I don't think it's the ladder and I think that would be

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_00]: cool if that's what they were I'm glad I'm not sure I think the way because the

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: transformation is done CGI as his face is like no whole fucking until it

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: settles and then it's terrible prosthetics right yeah sure and but

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: also CGI eyes he's got or whatever you know he's got red eyes or orange eyes

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: as his face is melting it looks like it's not like resetting to an earlier

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: stay or like disguise going down it's like slowly like morphing into something

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_00]: different it doesn't look like it's like oh this is his true self it looks like

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the effects of this specific incident of I know lightning reflecting

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_00]: off a lightsaber which is like why would it do that why would it anyway act

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that way that quick Christian why would it look like we're almost an hour and

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: we've barely done half of this this is gonna be a three-parter so Palpatine

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: says something on like you know when do you saw him gets chopped off and he's

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: like and he goes when he was just like this is over he's about to slash down

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and it can whips it off whips off the hand it's rough like oh you really feel

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00]: bad for when he falls out the window no no no no no the hand falls out the

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_00]: window right here and falls out the window and then he's like yeah he

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_00]: just says the word

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: he's absolutely a lot I think you might say like power absolute power yeah yeah

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know keep it up so when do when it falls out the window it when do really

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: takes it it's like a and like finally gets blasted out the window and now I

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: read an interview Sam Jackson he knew he was gonna die yeah and he just said

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to George Lucas like don't make me die like lamely like I want to have like a

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: really big debt and so he gets one yeah but it's a little late it's a

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: little because he gets yeah you know he's really he's got him pinned yeah and

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_02]: then stupid fucking Anakin who he never liked yeah comes in and I need him I

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_02]: need him it's really honestly the most annoying moment in the movie for me my

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: brother I watch it every time and every time I just want when to at least chop

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Anakin to bits and he a Jedi like he's an amazing Jedi he falls out the

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: window I mean they could he could catch some like awning on a building

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: lightning is no instead it just is like it's Wiley Coyote he just like goes down

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and hits the we never see the body that's it maybe still life my brother told me

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_00]: when he saw around to the Sith this is like what right after you saw it when

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_00]: we were like comparing notes on you know yeah well we both agreed was the best

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_00]: one yet yeah at the time and he told me that he got choked up when Mace Windu

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: died I did yeah I don't know what to say to that I got annoyed okay we've

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_00]: seen Mace Windu in three movies could you give me one adjective to describe his

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: personality boring yeah serious yeah Pope like calm I mean no he's stern yeah

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_02]: he's stern that's not really a little softer he's a little harder yeah he's

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: always there to be like I don't know but then he does show up at attack of the

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: clones and get like two or three action scenes yeah and he looks like he's

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: played by Samuel L. Jackson well that's the only reason we feel sad I know

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: man signal Jackson it's most of you feel sad for like it's too bad Sam Jackson

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: never really got to cut yeah whatever that's his last scene okay so now now

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Palpatine is scarred he's got so immediately as we discussed last week

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like and can come over here your Darth Vader congrats please go off and

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_00]: kill some younglings plus for one more second and I can make a really big

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_00]: leap which is that Palpatine was like this guy could prevent people from dying

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_00]: right don't you think I know we keep on talking about the lack of due diligence

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_00]: these movies and it's a dead topic I'm beating the horse but don't you think he

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_00]: would have been like can you introduce me to one of these people who didn't die

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah or do you have like a tape any any proof because also pretty easy way to

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_00]: prove who told you about the force yeah but even up until this point when

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_00]: he's like yep I will become a Sith Lord he's also got no evidence that the dark

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: side of force can prevent people from dying because you know who could prevent

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_00]: from dying Darth fucking plague yes that's true if he was that powerful

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: watch it back not be dead anyway dobson Darth Vader and then Anakin goes off

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: on his Vader which we discussed he does all that stuff now let's stick to

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Palpatine though because here's what Palpatine does back to the Senate

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_02]: goes back to the Senate and is like FYI I am the Emperor this is an Imperial

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Empire a Galactic Empire full on talking like a lizard now yeah and he's the

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Jedi's have tried to kill me yeah he for my scar his face right and he no one asks

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: him like hey why does your voice sound so evil yeah because he's like yes the

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Jedi tried to kill me but we will have a galactic empire why do you have the

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_00]: body language of mr. Burns now like why are you literally putting on a fake

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: mustache at the end of every sentence just to twirl it before that he was kind

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: of this like oh I am chancellor you know there's old wisdom man you know that

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: this button is you know does not suit but I will accept paying much attention

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to you and then and there's this line the Padme delivers yeah because he

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: says like FYI Republic is dissolved and a democracy congrats it's an empire we're

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna fucking tackle this you gotta give me all the power in the world everyone's

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like everyone just gives it everyone just applaud yeah and Padme says this is

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: how democracy dies to thunderous applause okay so George Lucas hates George W

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: sure this is 2005 the Iraq war is in the middle of its worst quagmire period

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: second term Bush right has just been reelected I guess he's being elect

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he's running for election yeah and this movie is being shot things like that and

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you can yeah you can there is this sort of seething quality to Padme's line

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: reading and to the whole like Hitler asked rise to power thing that's happening

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: creating conflicts that only he can knock down in order to look like the

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: solution I mean there was remember Bush's whole sort of like main angle

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_00]: for his reelection was like I got us in this middle of the war you're not

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: someone else to finish it up you at least let me finish it right I know you

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_00]: hate this war I started but you gotta let me finish and if you're for us you're

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're not for us you're against us we never discussed that line last week

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: where Anakin says like you know if you're not with me you're against me

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and Obi-Wan says only a sift deals and absolutes yeah which I think is

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's only a sift deals and absolutes isn't absolute I mean it's very silly

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever yeah there two types of people in the world people who say they're

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_00]: only two types of people in the world

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway it's like those that that joke where it's like there are two books that

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you need to read that the book is like what they teach you at Harvard Business

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: School and what they don't teach you

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: there are two books actually called that's like the entire you know wealth

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: of knowledge I wish Anakin could have just done that like read the book like

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the Order of the Jedi and then the other one that's like not the order of

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the Jedi and then just not had to fucking just done research so Sidious is the

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Emperor now he's still Palpatine publicly George Bush hates George Lucas

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: hates George Bush but he has this ironclad bulletproof reason to seize

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: power and eliminate the Jedi which he does and that's a whole other episode

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: we're gonna talk about that in another episode Jedi Holocaust is its own

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Order 66 execute the evil order execute order 69 69 420 66 isn't that one six off

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: from say should we be worried about this Palpatine so Palpatine will you're

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: worried about Palpatine we'll discuss it later but eliminates the Jedi is a

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Jedi holocaust and has this one big final scene right well he fights Yoda yeah

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: where he fights Yoda it's flubber on flubber it's it's crazy how bad this

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: scene is it looks like did you think the last Yoda fight was bad yeah well we

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: extended it they're fighting the Galactic Senate with all the floating yeah and

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: they're shooting floating boxes at each other it looks like an air hockey game

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: where you put too many pucks on the table here's what I hate about this

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: scene and I don't I can't even remember exactly the specifics of it but why

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yoda decides to go take care of Palpatine because Yoda's off on some

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: planet with these things called wookies that is this like bizarre diversion

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: other episode even for this movie is really weird other episode is so weird I

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: agree with you that it sets up literally nothing accomplishes nothing I

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: have no understanding of why he would it makes no sense it's all looking

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: creature it's almost like a bit like he had to put in 15 minutes of the

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: planet because she is these hairy yeah these wookies including like a wookie

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: called Chewbacca who he like is like hello Chewbacca it's nice to meet you you

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: know met we are great friends with you it's so okay so weird this is his own

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: episode we'll talk about it later this all keeps on calling out this one

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: lucky by name this one who actually isn't even wearing a lot of shit a

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: lot of them have these crazy helmets and more visually distinctive because

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: there's signifiers and helmets and his armor and there's hair styles this

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: bandolier he's like the most vanilla of the wookies a hair guy he's a hairy guy

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: just gonna like what's your name again Chewbacca I will always remember you

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Chewbacca Chewbacca doesn't seem to help that much the other guy the other guy

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the general seems to be a tarful tarful is the one who seems to really be helping

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's not going like thanks for everything Chewbacca tarful is like are

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you fucking serious I'm right here anyway this like all right

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Jedi's are getting wiped out this is bad news I'm gonna go kill Palpatine

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna go kill Sidious they have this fight in the Senate what I hate about

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: this fight apart from everything is that it is so clearly designed so that

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: neither can die yeah because Lucas has obviously decided that Sidious

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously can't die and Yoda can't die either for some reason yeah and so I

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: think that's why we have this thing with the Senate with them flinging

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: chairs at each other because otherwise there's no real reason for them to

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of like have a reason to break off the fight sure the whole thing is so

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: annoying basically it's sort of like a non-fight like it's by the whole thing do

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you mean this entire movie this entire series of films right and I just drives

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: me crazy anyway that's the last swing someone gets at Palpatine yes and then

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Palpatine for the rest of the movie is just helping Anakin become Darth Vader

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: he essentially sets Anakin to kill off everyone he's like using to help him

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: in the rest and it shows up and is like what should I do he's like go Jedi

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: temple wipe him out no more Indians kill the Jedi Anakin shows I do and you say

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: no he doesn't kill grievous no but I'm saying he's all he's doing the whole

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: film is going like knocking down every yes time of all the loose yeah but it's

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: all the people he's used to help him get to this point grievous dies yes

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: which is more Dick Cheney I mean I guess it's movie saying that he's Dick

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Cheney and that Anakin is George Bush yeah I don't know it's fucking

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah the Neimoidians die and all the other separatists the separatists get wiped

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: out and dooku obviously dies early in the movie you know so yeah

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Balorgana survives he squeaks by yeah no Balorgana is still in the Senate though oh

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so there's this implication that he's gonna kind of keep the Senate but

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: just it'll just be like a sort of a rubber stamp I guess is the idea for

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: his policies it's sort of weird I don't know I guess just to keep everything

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in line because Organa says something like he's gonna need the Senate to

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: run things even if he doesn't like it yeah quick sidebar last week I talked

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: about the young Jedi boy who saved yeah the Lucas kid right his character's name

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: is Zett Jukasa you know what his real name is what jet Lucas his name is jet

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah like a jet like a jet pack like John Travolta's kid had a John John's

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: son all right yeah all right um jet jet that's the you do in the Paul yeah it's

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: a good song I had a I had a friend in high school named jet we would we would

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: sing that whenever he walked in the room used to be my phone really it's a

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: good phone ring tone cuz it's like dad is how it starts yeah okay

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: city of city of saves Anakin from the lava and turns him into Darth Vader and

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that's in that merchandise spotlight yeah and we should save the film ends with

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: his 100% complete and total triumph if there's a real protagonist to these

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: movies you could argue that it's him in that it's like he's the only character

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: who accomplishes all his goals ends up you know ends on a high note yeah and at

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the end he's looking out they're building that thing what's it called

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: a killer killer star killer ship yeah you know and he's just like you know

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin is with him but Anakin's all messed up and he's in this robot suit a couple

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of the Jedi survived okay Obi-Wan Yoda but you know you should be lead character

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: this film he's almost the lead character this film he does have a lot of breaks

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: though watching only his scenes reminded me of how many scenes he is not in

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and what a waste I know you could have them in more scenes it's really

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: should fight everyone it's a delicious performance is an interesting character

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: he's having a lot of fun with it it's the only interesting arc yeah but it's

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the only interesting arc but it makes you wish that episode one was him

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: training under plague is yeah right yeah sure what fine yeah who was the

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Phantom I know anyway merchandise following in 2005 for the release of

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: revenge on this yeah Burger King did two series of promotions because one for

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the home video release one one for the theatrical release okay and they

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: released a lot of what one would call super deformed toys in the super

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: deformed mind I think it's not politically correct but it's a Japanese

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: name SD or like when toys are like very stylized almost like caricatures of how

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the characters actually look they make toys that are more cartoonish and

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: character so they did like two series of that where they had like 30 different

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking toys to collect in like different sections and they were

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: grouped into different things and so they they made two of them what one

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: here this was in the first series this is Emperor Palpatine so it's easy like

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: huge head right I see he's like 90% head yeah he's basically had a couple of

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: hands two big hands stuck together stuck together and pointing palm out yeah and

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: then a hood right yeah it's a classic Darcy says we know him from Phantom

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Mass where you can't really see his face because the hood's coming down so low

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's like okay and he got some characters we all recognize in this

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: series he got a B1 you got Padme you got Jar Jar you've got Chewbacca and

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Tarful yeah now all these toys had features what would you assume that

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you're making Emperor Palpatine you're gonna get in Burger Tank this guy's

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: hands out what would you assume I know he shoots water as a water gun he's a

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: little art but it's not look they didn't yeah it's not cuz it's not

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: structured if it doesn't have that much what if he's got water in the maze

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: when do you see these just soaking Samuel L Jackson that's why I'm bringing

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: this up he's in the kind of position that he was in and just a little bit

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: of water scores I just like a little sprint okay so then this is the other

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: one this was like the post transformation oh here he is he's got a

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: lightsaber in his hands right red eyes the red eyes the mushy face what do you

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: think this one does super deformed I don't know just tell me it's a top

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a spinning top spinning around yeah like you lift off like the top half

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: his body from the robes and the bottom half of his body is just like a top

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: spin around what can some of the other ones do like you've got Bale

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Organa here yeah there was like what can he do can he shout no he's who he's a

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: shun he's a shadow caster which means that yeah we can't we could talk you

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: mean if you put him in the sun he cast a shadow I believe he projects like you

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: project a little symbol on the wall I think that's what anyway like a bat

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: how many of these toys did you want I don't know anything I can tell you

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: not really a toy first revenge of the Sith merchandise Jedi wisdom you can

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: get a kit fist oh or mace wind do that are like magic eight balls yeah you like

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: shake them and then you look under their robes any pressing threat threats like

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: it'd be that kind of advice yeah but you shake them and then you look the

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the window is the bomb of their robe so it's like you turn it around instead

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: of seeing a weiner you get advice you get life advice instead of seeing a

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: weiner it's like an upskirt you're doing an upskirt now this is weird

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: because all these toys I recognize all these guys you got your pad yeah

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got your anakin yeah you've got your Chewbacca I don't know why

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: there's so much yeah they got your Yoda you got Obi-Wan he's old why do they

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: keep doing this old Obi-Wan maybe it was a deleted scene maybe they thought the

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: movie was gonna end later and that's true that's fair I don't know I don't

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: recognize this guy this must be a background Jedi yeah it's background

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Jedi like I can't see this this is done as a brain teaser alright so they like

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you were supposed to this was the the pamphlet they gave you when you bought

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: a Happy Meal yeah we're supposed to fill in the letters to complete someone's

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: name and so it's missing letters and says LK SKW LKR I have no idea who that is

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway letters missing but I don't remember that character anyway great

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: promotion go out on eBay and buy all of them all here's a wada you can wind up

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and he does backflips this was from the first series and there was a appropriately

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: aged Obi-Wan Kenobi and says look inside for a surprise and this was also the

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: looking inside was looking up the skirt you look up the skirt and then they're

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: just stick your eye to it like a kaleidoscope you see a picture from

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: those movies cool you love great merchandise spot like sure but picture

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: well I'm Griffin oh we're just wrapping no I was gonna intro I thought

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you're calling on a bit of sims yeah start over yeah welcome to Griffin day

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: present or event of the podcast this is I feel like we've done like eight comedy

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: bang-bang-bakes on this episode just by mistake we're stealing a lot yeah well

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you could call us a couple Palpatine's over here why is that

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: because we're bad I don't know oh boy and sloppy look I love what they do

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: with this guy in this movie it's my favorite part of this movie there's

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of problems there's a lot of logical plot hole you know issues but

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it's definitely my most positive part my most positive like reaction is to this

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff no question I would say what the hell man why wasn't there more of him

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: in the other two movies should be the he should be the fucking main character

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: this trilogy I don't know anyway it's just weird to make a three-part saga

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: with the end of the three parts is the lurking evil who has dominated events

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: behind the scenes for three movies it gets exactly what he wants and everyone

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: else gets yeah I don't fucking understand this is what I was saying last week

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: what is he trying to do the bad guy gets everything he wants and the good guy

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: just becomes bad George Lucas is a pessimist he's a pessimist and he

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: hates passion and he hates George W. Bush producer Ben final thoughts um so

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about this character reminded me of the film that devil's advocate with

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Pacino John Reeves Connie Nielsen Charlie Starrin so this might be a little

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: controversial oh no but I was just thinking I'd love to see a Pacino as

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Palpatine that'd be great wouldn't that be good it's over the top you chew it up

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: POWER! POWER!

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Not from a Jedi!

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to see that we can explore that further

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting there's a lot of Italians in these movies no you got it's a

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: very English-British sort of flavor the whole time you could do a little more

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like ethnic flavor yeah I mean Portman's one of the chosen people that's true

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Smith's is Hispanic I believe he's Cuban I'm not absolutely sure on his heritage

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but no it'd be great let's this this is star of a new segment at the end of

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: every episode let's pick a character and pretend that someone else played that

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: why didn't we ever do that before that's great this is such a great game I know

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: well though I you know I've heard some

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: A Jedi!

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Pacino.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Pacino?

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Your old one was better your first your first your first go-round

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to focus more on the pause in between and the physicality but it

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't work because this is a podcast

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the last good Pacino performance?

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Jack and Jill

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even being facetious he's really good in Jack and Jill

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: All right well apart from Jack and Jill which I haven't seen

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Donne Brasco

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I'm thinking Somnia?

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah no, I love Insomnia.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's great in Insomnia.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I do too.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot no I just forgot about it.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think he's great in Angels in America but that's technically not a film

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I think he's a little hammy in that.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but I think it's good hammy.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Insomnia is the last great one and he's genuinely very good I'm not

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no he's great in Insomnia.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He's quiet.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: No I'm saying he's great in Jack and Jill.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh what are you?

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trolling.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: He's great in Jack and Jill.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: No he's not.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay so Pacino as Sidious let's make it happen people

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what else do I have to say.

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Next week we'll hopefully have a guest.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I know we keep on ending every episode saying we're gonna have a guest

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and then scheduling a conflict experiment.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's also because it's funny because I had a 20 minute

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe half hour conversation with Mike Ryan on the corner of

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the 65th Street in Broadway after we saw Carol at the New York Film Festival.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: When was that?

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: When did I see Carol two days ago?

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay yeah.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know in which he started out like I'm sorry I couldn't make the podcast yet

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he proceeded to talk to me here

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: for half an hour about Revenge of the Sith and I was like

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: well you should come on and he was like no I'm gonna come on anyway

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy when this happens isn't it?

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna get Mike Ryan on as a guest and we have a lot of other great guests coming

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that's one spoiler alert and a spoiler epic episode of Revenge of the podcast.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Next week no spoilers.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Next week let's keep it clean.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the space holocaust.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know we'll talk about something.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We have topics, we got topics for days, we got topics falling out of our fucking pockets.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Well let's...

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well I'm tired.

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired too.

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I'm so tired.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's a tiring time of year.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The rain's come, joints get all achy.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Tiring time of the year.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No Chris refusing.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't it was a tire.

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You know tire ween the holiday where we all get tired?

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Tire ween.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay well thank you for listening please scrub scrub scrub

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm literally, I'm melting.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: My forehead is turning into butt cheeks.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Wrinkles are appearing all over my face.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a goofy episode it's good because last week we were really kind of

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: bumped out by the end.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah did you listen to it though?

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No it's good.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's great.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's great.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We're great.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I think these episodes aren't good.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I'm like what did we even talk about?

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I listen back and it's like no it's fine.

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably all Ben's editing hand.

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah cut out a lot of stuff.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Last week's episode.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you?

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: No I didn't.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy though this like literally is the best podcast of all time.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it crazy?

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not crazy.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: No it makes a lot of sense.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay well we're monsters.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for listening.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Go see Hotel Transylvania 2.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Support character based animation.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And as always

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: cross your fingers

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Colin Traverro never gets to make a Star Wars movie.

[01:16:15] No.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No!

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Do it!