Eraserhead

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Light Check with Griffin and Dave

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Everything is fine. You've got your good things, and you've got mine.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: INDB I think has an error. It says in you've got mine. I don't know if they do change the line in the last part or someone is just a fucking idiot on IMDB. I don't know.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Great way to start the miniseries. Absolutely. Complaining about that.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: In podcasting everything is fine. It looks like it changes according to the lyrics I see posted elsewhere.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It does change. What do my ads off time DB?

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I doff my chapeau to the crowdsourced editing of IMDB. Did we get the tune of that song right?

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean the tune of it? It's a hard, I'm like it's like a little atonal.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: This is great material right now. It's Lynchian. What this is David?

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. Is Lynchian. Devo covered that song and part of their live act for a while. It was the penultimate song they would do.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Modest Mouse, Pixies.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: The Meteors would do it. A lot of people have done it. Yeah, the Pixies is on one of the John Peel records I think.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You know who else covered it? You know how they do the peel sessions. Yeah.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the lady in the radiator covered it. I've seen her do it live a couple times.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to see that lady. That's not a good thing to be seeing.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I like her cheeks. I see her way too often. I like her cheeks. I just feel like when she shows up, it's not because things are going well for you. You know what I mean?

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. She keeps showing up and telling me that things are going well. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you solve that one? She's not a bossy round face.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But she's got a round face.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Sort of.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Lumpy face?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: She's got round things on her face.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She's got a couple really round things on her face.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely true.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: She's squirrely.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this the first movie we covered that she's in?

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, no.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: What's her body of work?

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of those interesting where you're like,

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: huh, we've never actually done Nicolas Cage on main feed.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that still true?

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Wilderheart is going to break that.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but you know.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And likewise, finally, the first time we're covering Lady and the Radiator.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: She's in The Man Who Knew Too Little.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: She plays his sister-in-law.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, did that actor actually ever do anything else?

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Great question.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Great question.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It used to be a bigger question.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The Lady and the Radiator.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm seeing here as herself.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Her name is Laurel Neer and she has no other credits.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I thought.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a one of one.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: David, what is this?

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Who am I?

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Where am I?

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my goodness.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: This is Blank Check Podcast.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my God.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_05]: With Griffin and David, I'm Griffin.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm David.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: David.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a podcast about filmographies.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce, baby.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And today we are starting a new mini series as voted on by our listeners in our March Madness

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: competition.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Today we're talking about David Lynch.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Who?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: David Lynch.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: David.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Goddamn Lynch.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were going to do your thing.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Which thing?

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Where you set up a new mini series.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'd say there's like a ticker tape crate or whatever.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking, what is that?

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Do I hear steam and clanking in the distance?

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Did someone just go...

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Some weird guy.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Did a bumpy, lumpy man just pull a lever?

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: With like a teapot in his torso.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Just goes like...

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: What's this mini series called?

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's of course called...

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Pods Firecast with me.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you decided to call it.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make it sound like I have strong armed with the situation.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a better idea, feel free to speak it right now.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch is the one we haven't settled, but I think it should be Twin Pods Firecast with me.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Was that my text?

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Very well written text.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really just kind of jumping off the screen.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: God, the fucking energy on that text.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we should have called it the straight podcast.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what you said?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I didn't say that.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I said that sounds fine.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Both Maria and I were like, yeah, sure.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Who cares?

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Who gives a shit?

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I had someone ask me, a friend the other day, about like which parts of doing the podcast have become annoying or tedious versus which parts I still enjoy.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, the coming up with the sweaty nicknames must be a thing that's like a burden.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Not for this guy.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, that's the fucking juice.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm in it for.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the most exciting time of the year when I get to crack my knuckles.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Where can I cram these words in?

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So a while ago, we had our March Madness competition where if you voters, listeners vote on what director we're going to, it was in March.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, right.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: March.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Which director we're going to cover.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: On our podcast.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And the theme of this year's bracket was people who had never been in a bracket before.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a conversation much like the year that we included Kubrick for the first time.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that unstoppable?

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this putting jaws into the tank into the aquarium?

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Will people just sort of automatically go for this one?

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And in both cases, the answer was yes.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And in both cases, we went, we're putting them on there because we would happily do that series.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That is true.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we would not have included these directors if we didn't want to cover them.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, was covering Stanley Kubrick a giant chore?

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but Lynch is going to be easy.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is going to rock.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, watching all the TV is sort of exciting, but hard.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Everything else, I'm just like, this is going to be great.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and Lynch fans are famously normal.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I'm a Lynch fan, Griffin.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're the most normal guy there is.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_05]: You're proving my point here.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And so we are going to begin this miniseries.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: God, get the energy.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: In a really unusual way by covering the first film he ever directed.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's weird, guys.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to do it.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the kind of Lynchian thing we want to do this week is cover the movie Eraserhead.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: David, I don't.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Which he directed first.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He wrote and directed and produced it.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: David, I don't want to be passive aggressive here.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But when Ben and I were here in the studio early.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't brag about being here early because you watched the movie here.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That's called doing like.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying exactly.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: That's regular.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't brag about it.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It was regular as hell.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We were having the world's most regular time sitting in a dark windowless room watching fucking Eraserhead in the morning.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, a lot of people have watched Eraserhead in basements with their friends at parties.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And this place is not technically a basement, but it's like one.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It basically is.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We recreated that sort of vibe.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I threw out to Ben.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I said, and we've had this type of conversation before, but I like the idea of doing a formal accounting of it to be somewhat reductive.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We cover all these first films on the movie, the nature of the very podcast we do.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd say they generally fall into two buckets.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: One is rough draft for basically who that director is going to be, what type of film they're going to make and perfect later.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And the second bucket, which I was saying surprisingly at this point, we've covered a lot of movies.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I would classify this way.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Masterpiece on the first time out.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking at this list.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So you have, you and Ben have put a list together of the debut films we've covered on blank check.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I think a couple of the things you have as Masterpiece are a stretch.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I do think there is a third bucket personally.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Like for example, in here under Masterpiece, you have Pushing Hands, the angry movie.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That is not what I said.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Ben wrote that down wrong.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I said that was rough draft as hell.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's, let's say not to put you on blast.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's okay.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I made a mistake.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_05]: You have fine.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Then there's other examples.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You have like the castle of Cagliostro by Miyazaki.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Now I love that movie.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It's lots of fun, but that's more feels like it's like, you know, strong out of the gate

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: masterpieces to come.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But not, you know, George Miller's Mad Max.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not a masterpiece.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Like that.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That's where it's just like, yes, he had all the tools right away.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas then you also, some of these other ones, such as like Piranha to the Spawning,

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, only a fool.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That's James Cameron's first film would call that a masterpiece.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a classic rough draft.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a rough draft.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The Loveless a rough draft.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like thief guy arrives fully formed.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: There are.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So here are the ones that I would agree with you.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: The Wachowski's bound.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Cameron Crowe say anything.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_05]: James Brooks is terms of endearment.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, possibly his best movie.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was his first broadcast.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree, but I'm just saying possibly.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, iron giant Brad Bird.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Parent trap Nancy Meyers.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I might quibble, but it's a very entertaining movie.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I call that a masterpiece.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They were, you know, uh, Nighthawk theater Williamsburg has been doing, uh, uh, like weekend

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: matinee brunch screenings of Disney movies.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause they can't, um, do that at the process of work Williamsburg because of insane Disney

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: rules about first run Disney movies.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And so those movies so rarely play rep screenings and Nighthawk Williamsburg has been run wild

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: with them, which has been great.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I took my two little cousins to see parent trap.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Semi recently eight and a half year old boy, four year old girl talking to see parent

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: trap fucking wrapped attention.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a good movie.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a, I think a four year old being at wrapped attention is an automatic confirmation

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_05]: of a masterpiece.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that is my entire argument for it being a masterpiece.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a masterpiece.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a good movie.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It's maybe her best film.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's no, it's not.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's your easiest film.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_05]: If that makes sense.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Easiest film to dub a masterpiece.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Peewee's big adventure.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with you.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Michael man's thief.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, T H X one third 11 38.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: No rough draft rough draft.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that's a really good movie.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a really interesting movie.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a really like formally adventurous movie that I would, I do not put that in the

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_05]: same bucket as praying with anger.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, I'm being red.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I said, it's general.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I have three buckets.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That goes to bucket three.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This is okay.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Also coming in with this angry third bucket.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I think this is great because this is a living document.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: All documents are alive.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, you know.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: If you delete a document, uh, you're hurting its feelings and it dies.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's my next picture.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I put this together.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And some of this, I even want to say we, we kind of got into some business talk.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So I added some of this stuff and made some of these calls.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So, so by all means, I'm going to keep going.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And when you say living document, it's living in the same way that a racer heads baby is.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's this ungainly creature.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's crying.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Mad Max.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's my favorite bucket, bucket three.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Love and basketball.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll, I'll, I'll put in the masterpiece.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Boys in the hood.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Given that dark star.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a tricky one.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a tough, that's a really tough.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's such an important movie.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if it's a masterpiece, but I also, I'm not, I don't really want to fuck with dark

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: star.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: It's also by.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of the same where it's like, obviously the man made more accomplished films.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I think first.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: That one.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think dark star, you could call a rough draft, even though it's pretty rough.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Dark stars rough.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Admittedly.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Sweet charity.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't call it a master.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I would.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: That's in three.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Nightmare before Christmas.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put in masterpiece.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yentl.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you like more than I do.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put in bucket three.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yentl's good.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we are famously the two most Barbra Streisand obsessed men in the world.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect blue.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Going in style.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably bucket three.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It might be a lowercase M, but I think I, I, it's a really good movie.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good as hell.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Dances with wolves.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Now this is the most interesting one, but he won best picture and made a gigantic hit.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what to do with that one.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And people will probably be yelling at us about that episode for years for 18 different

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: reasons.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like, I look at that and I'm like, this is a rough draft for what he fucking

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: figures out later, even though the world responded to it at the time as to be clear.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Masterpiece.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_05]: The rough draft category just now, because I think listeners, this is a terrible way to

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: start this miniseries, but who cares?

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Praying with anger.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: M night, shall I?

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, that's rough draft.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Piranha two.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You put Christopher Nolan's following in there.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's fine.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The Loveless, Jonathan Demme's caged heat or what, you know, the Corman movies.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Christopher McQuarrie's way of the gun.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Fear and desire for sure.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: That awful park.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Jen wick movie.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: For Transylvania put the masterpiece bucket.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_05]: No mads.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: The McJerney movie pushing hands for sure.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you had, this is my life for Efron.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's, that's in bucket three.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That's bucket three.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to hold your hand.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Same great mouse detective.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Same new leaf.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put that in mess.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a nap.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Two friends.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_05]: The campion sort of TV drama.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put that in bucket three.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess I would do rough draft for that, but I won't argue with you.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Shallow grave.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Shallow grave.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: They put them in a shallow.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a third bucket.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a third bucket or any close though.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's close, but I think it's a third bucket or alien three.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, man.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know where you go with that one.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You would say you'd say put it in draft bucket for the fire bucket.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Light it on that.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Light it on that.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's gotta be a middle bucket just because I agree.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: How complicated the birthing process was.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Three ages, the Keaton movie.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put that in the third bucket.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a middle bucket.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: The guy's really good already.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a middle bucket.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But he's got ways to go nonetheless.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: They put him in a shallow grave.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I want someone, you know, James Austin Johnson should do Trump describing the

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: plot of shallow grave.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to hear it.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We should, we should ask him to be on the podcast and then just say, just be like, but what would

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump, how would he describe the plot of shallow grave?

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Just be the most of the white guys in the world.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yeah, I love this movie a lot.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it when I was in high school and we were like, but when did Trump see it?

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think what, I think what he's trying to say with the lady in the race, she's sort

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: of like, you know, she's helping him accept the terrible things he's done.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We're like, yeah, but like, it's a shallow grave.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He's putting nails through the floor.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The lady in the radiator, very crooked.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where that, that voice went somewhere else.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It was somewhere and then it was very much somewhere else.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it went wildly.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It was like very crooked.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll say, I'll say.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, so we're here to talk about racer racer head as I call it.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I said this is a great way to start off the episode and you were being facetious, but I

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: do think this is one of the key bolt from the blue.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck is this guy?

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Fully arrived masterpiece.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, obviously he will iterate his next movie is like, let me try to make something far

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: more narrative.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he'll make better films, but this guy's entire career.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people would disagree with you.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: This.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a good point.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And also his entire career is just like, holy shit.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck is this guy?

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's this.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is this guy?

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: He's David Lynch.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_05]: He was born, of course, in Missoula, Montana.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: How silly of me to ask.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: He went to the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's lots of things.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a whole dossier.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll crack that thing up.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We will in a second.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about David Lynch.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about his film, Eraserhead.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Before we open the dossier, I wanted to ask you guys when you first saw the film Eraserhead.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I probably saw it when I was about 13 or 14.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Rented it from TLA video.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: My local video store.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: David's doing whatever nice face.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I had on DVD, which infamously this was.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm trying to wonder if I watched it in DVD or VHS.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It was infamously not on DVD for a while.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Lynch sold it himself off of the Absurda website.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it came in a weirdly shaped box.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That guy can't do anything normal.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a big square box, Ben.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And then inside there was just like a loose sleeve with the disc in it.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He probably fucking did himself.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He just had to do everything in a weird way.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But I either TLA was like a weirdo video store chain.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The certain Philadelphia, they had a Lynch shelf.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I rented it.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It was absolutely a movie that I felt, oh, if I'm going to be a proper film nerd, I need

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: to see that.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was placed in my mind largely from how many cool older teenagers I looked up

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: to.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I asked this question.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Who wore the t-shirt.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And just would talk to you about this movie like it was something they had found in a

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: gutter.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It was to me the old one of the ultimate like VHS movies that like your cool friend had seen.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, there's like this thing in it.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And you don't even know.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it's maybe like a real dead alien.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And certainly you don't even know how he got it.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But the point in time where I'm coming to it, I'm hearing all of that.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's also like David Lynch is one of the most fetid filmmakers at that moment.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess by the time you are seeing this film, Mulholland Drive has come out.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's kind of hot, hot stuff again.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But but it still was like I feel like even decades later when he is beyond established, when young

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: people discover this movie, it is still almost experienced the way as it was when it first leaked

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: out where people are like, you won't believe this fucking thing.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This thing came from Mars.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: My friend Colin, who was like maybe the one I looked up to the most of the hip older teenager

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: friends had a shirt that was a racer head, the soundtrack.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, this guy's seven steps ahead of me.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking up to the kids wearing the racer head shirts.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, no, the soundtrack.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Ben.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: My best friend growing up, his name was Tim.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: His older sister, Lisa, who is like so jackass.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Gen X.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's how I remember her in my mind.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: She was so cool.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a huge crush on her.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: She showed us this movie or rather she didn't watch it with us.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: She would never do that to herself.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Too cool.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Way too cool.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Would it would have made you respect her less?

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But she she gave us this to watch.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: VHS.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: In a basement.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I porch.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you want to report?

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: No, at night.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a tough day.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Daytime on the porch.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a night porch.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gotta be.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: This was a night porch.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I saw this movie in a basement.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_05]: 100% in a basement at like a house party.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: When I was 13 or 14, whatever it was.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And someone being like, what if we like put on a racer head?

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, here's the question.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I feel like often with me and my friends, we would like talk and have commentary.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not just sitting quietly.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We were all little blowing whistles.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We were all little slide whistles.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We had smoked maybe a little bit of the.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Rasta pasta.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The devil's lettuce.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were just silent the entire time.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Awestruck.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's also not a movie where you can be like, where's this guy going?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Walking down the street.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Weird.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like you can't do dumb commentary to it quite as easily.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's gotta hurt.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I have a very visceral memory of like my off reference to like 12 inch TV VCR combo

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: in my bedroom.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like watching this late at night when I probably should have been sleeping on a school night.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like less than a foot away from the screen.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like feeling the static of the screen against my face and just being like, this feels

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm watching a transmission straight from hell.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Watched alone.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You watch in a basement.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Dead silence with friends at a party.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I watched it in a basement friends at a party.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure that there was dead silence.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't a James Wan movie down there.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: One comedy point.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But Ben apparently watching in dead silence, but I do think that when a car would drive

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: by.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Like a semi rumbling, which probably helped.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, and I'm sure on the port, you couldn't tell.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's so much movie.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not really coming across maybe in the, uh, the midnight air.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably not.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No, but, uh, that's a good way to watch it.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I just, that's why I asked because I do think of this movie as even when we were kids.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's an activator.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, when it's years, years, years past its initial cult status, it is forever the

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: cult VHS movie you watch in a basement.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Remain mythical.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, obviously you watch the 4k criterion.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a 4k restoration, but in fact, they've only to date released it on a Blu-ray disc.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's fair enough.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there is a certain point where I'm like, I'm not sure everything needs to

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: be on a 4k disc.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I was, I mean, I was just watching this here.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: There's only so much upscaling you can do in the upscaling is rude.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, sometimes it is a pure just 4k scan, even an eight or a 12k scan.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, I was watching this and it's like, it is weird that this movie now exists in a

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: form that looks this good.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks wonderful.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine it looking better.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not like it looks like cleaned up in some bad way.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks, it looks perfect.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks wonderful.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a film shot in an entirely different way.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It was shot on 16 millimeter reversal, which is like, I think it was shot in like a bug.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know what I'm about to say.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I was doing a joke about, you know, how David Lynch does stuff weird.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He does stuff weird.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching George Romero's, uh, uh, Martin, a film I'd never seen before.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been on a Romero kit.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Never seen Martin.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, a fascinating movie.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it about Martin Lawrence?

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a, I'm sorry.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't finish the title.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching George A.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Romero's Martin Lawrence run.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell that.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Martin's the, it's the vampire one.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, a very weird version of a vampire.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone thinks he's a vampire.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie was shot on 16 millimeter reversal stock, which is one of the most limited, uh,

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: analog mediums imaginable that has been remastered for 4k recently.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's just like, I mean, they did what they could.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's on a 4k disc, but like you're basically looking at the most high quality scan of a

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: terrible raw image versus this movie is like impeccably shot.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm pretty sure he shot it out on a, on a bug to do my joke again.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: A bug that was going to, are you going to demand another point?

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't need points.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not in it for the points.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That's good.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never counted.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: If someone wants to count, I would tell them not to do that.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause that's not what you do.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Excuse me.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the first rule.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're keeping track, you lose all the points.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So eraser head, we all rewatched it.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You have a good time.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I did.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Me too.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I found fascinating.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to front load the conversation.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: When I watched this as a teenager, I had all usual.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: What the hell is this guy smoking?

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Where did this fucking come from?

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's a dang ass freak.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate the craft of this, but this is just like, this movie is just insanity.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And then watching it again today, I hadn't seen it in a while and certainly not at this

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: level quality of image and sound.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, Oh, this movie feels incredibly coherent to me and wildly autobiographical.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This thing is such a straight line.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I, yes, I do not think of this movie as hard to follow.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No, when I was 14, I processed this as if it was the cremaster cycle.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I completely understand because the way he presents images when you're new to it, it

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: does feel like it almost feels like a parody of a surreal film.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I suppose, but I think the stickiness of this movie is that it is not that even

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're at an age where you cannot quite decipher that part of it, you can tell that

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: there is an intelligence and emotionality behind it that isn't just like check out some

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: weird ideas I have.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, this is like his fucking Edward Scissorhands.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: This is his like, the whole world makes no sense to me.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone views me as a freak.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're all the freaks.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: All of this is overwhelming.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And Edward Scissorhands Burton hired a fucking screenwriter to make it into a presentable

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: studio film that children could understand.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is him just doing the pure raw expression version of basically the same idea.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is my relationship to existence in the world.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That was my read watching it again today.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And for those that are at home, just so they get a full grasp of how affected Griffin was

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_03]: by watching the movie.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_03]: His hair sticking straight up.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It is pretty cool how his hair sticks up in the air like that.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like five inches taller.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: David Keith Lynch.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't know that was his middle name.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know either.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is why we paid JJ the big box to tell us something that is unknown to anyone

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_05]: who has never looked this guy up on Wikipedia.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: David Keith Lynch, born 20th of January.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Griffin, David, I've taken 25 books out of the library.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I think if I get through all of them, I'll figure out what his name is.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: David Keith.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't even David.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like 20 pages in this thing.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going past Keith, born in Montana, of course, Missoula, Montana.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_05]: His parents, Donald and Edwina, everyone called her Sonny, met at Duke University.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: They each served in the Navy during World War II, got married in 1945.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Then Donald's dad, Donald Lynch becomes a research scientist for the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So they moved to Montana.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So you got David.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You got second son, John.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You got sister Martha.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: What were their middle names?

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Then JJ is fired.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He's fired.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: He's never been more fired.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: They live in Missoula for a couple of years.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: They moved to Idaho.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Then they're in Spokane, Washington.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Durham, North Carolina, back where, you know, the Dukies met.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they moved to Boise.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So David Lynch was really all over.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But a lot of it is up there in the sort of Northwest.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: By all accounts, lovely parents.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: David says he had a really idyllic childhood.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_05]: He says the only thing that disturbs me is that many psychopaths say they had a very happy childhood, as did he essentially.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a dream.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Airplanes passed by slowly in the sky.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Rubber toys floated on the water.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Meals seemed to last five years and nap time seemed endless.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And the world was so small.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He's describing the life of a baby right now.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: My childhood was great.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Bottles filled to the brim with milk.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: He's just like talking about bath time and shit.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Crib walls as far as the eye could see.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we're going to have much fun doing David's voice on this podcast.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Goo goo gaga as I shook my rattle.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: The parents encouraged him to pursue his passion, such as painting, drawing.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: His mother wouldn't give him coloring books, didn't want to restrict him.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a coloring inside the lines.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: God, what?

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The beautiful dramatic irony when doing the coloring book came around.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Very life was full circle.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So he says I would draw ammunition and pistol and airplanes.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The war was just over.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: The war was sort of in the air.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I had an army belt in the canteen and wooden rifles, things like that.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't go to the movies much says it wasn't really a big part of his childhood.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: He said maybe I'd go on Saturdays or whatever, but more.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He liked music.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He liked Henry Mancini and Sandra Dee.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He liked to watch soap operas.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: All these things you're saying, I don't see any of these influences in his work.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to have not entered his bloodstream at all.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's definitely not someone who kind of like soaked in American ideal and then reflected it back in us weird ways or anything like that.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He was a popular kid at school.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: He was a little league first baseman.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: He swam and he was famously an Eagle Scout, which I feel like when I was a teenager and I got like the Mulholland Drive DVD and it said like David Lynch, you know, it had like a little, you know, author photo essentially.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And it just said like Eagle Scout, you know, and you're like, oh, it is far and away the funniest thing about David Lynch.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_05]: What the he was like a nice boy who like was on the little league team and was an Eagle Scout.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And he basically always is just like, I'm normal and boring.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, are you lying or are you correct?

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the weirdest thing about you.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He's it's but he's no, he's correct.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: He just figured out a way to talk about what's in his head.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a little different and interesting.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And and thus he gets a blank check miniseries about him.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The ultimate pinnacle of art.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Palm door more like palm dork.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Academy Award nomination.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No window more like scat.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a board nomination spelled S H H H.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he get an honorary Oscar?

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he has gotten one yet, which is kind of wild.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see. Let's find out because you know, those slip those by us these days.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Jackie Chan, Steve Martin.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: He's been nominated for four Oscars.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, his career three as director,

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: blue velvet elephant man, Mulholland,

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and then screenplay nomination for which one?

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Which do you think?

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_05]: For certainly the one that was most popular with the Oscars.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Mulholland?

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: No, elephant man.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Mulholland Drive got a sole Oscar nomination for best director.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a pretty cool thing.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is pretty wild.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And no, he did win an honorary Oscar in 2020.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing else was going on then.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, he remembers going to visit his maternal grandparents in New York and New York making

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_05]: him feel fearful.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The subways weren't real and the sounds.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, he, he, that New York is kind of like crazy to him.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: In 1960, they moved to Alexandria, Virginia.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That's where he spent his high school years.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, popular at school, lousy student, good looking guy, part of the fraternity, charmed

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: his way through everything.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He's not an outcast.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that's never been his role.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, says Peggy Revy, who's, uh, someone who worked with David Lynch.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It is the thing that, uh, does get, uh, discussed enough in my opinion.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Bizarrely handsome man.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Was married to David Lynch, I should be clear.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: He is a good looking guy.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you look up young David Lynch, you're like, yeah, this is like, you know, this

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: is a square jawed American like kid, like credible head of hair.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: In college.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Where does he go to college?

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he goes to AFI later.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not talking about that.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just telling you what I know.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a fucking disaster.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: This episode?

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_05]: No, this dossier.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: JJ.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, the Corcoran School of the Arts and Design in Washington, DC.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Was he going for fine art?

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Art school.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, gets to know some people, uh, meets, uh, Bushnell Keeler, a fine art painter, who's

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the father of one of the students he was with.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And it changed his life.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He says, Toby, who is the son of Bushnell Keeler, did two things.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: He told me his father was a painter, which completely changed my life.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And he stole my girlfriend.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, sorry, Toby.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, went to visit, uh, his father's studio in Georgetown.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: His father was very cool.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: He was on his own.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't really part of the painting world, but he was devoting his life to this.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And it thrilled my soul.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: This is basically him seeing a model of a professional artist for the first time in his life.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's saying just like a bomb went off in his head.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, you can do this, like be a painter.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, the other big, uh, friend that he makes in high school, Jack Fisk.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Hell.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Production designer, of course.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_05]: All time legend.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_05]: All time legend plays, as we all know, plays, uh, the man in the planet in Eraserhead.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, sissy space X, hot husband.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one of the fucking greatest production designers in history.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Still has rudely never won an Academy Award.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What did he just, he got another nomination last year.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Flower Moon.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is, he built a fucking town.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but they had to give it to poor things.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Ugh.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_05]: There was poor things.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_05]: What if steampunk but fucking?

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie's thick good.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I have no problems with that movie.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not, I'm not objecting to that.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: What's that voice?

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you're just doing the Verhoeven voice for your ghost.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, because I bailed on it as I was saying it, because I didn't want to sound

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like I was being snarky about the movie.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_05]: What if steampunk but fucking?

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Well.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just one of those things where I was like, well, Jack Fist, nice nomination, but

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: certainly he's won before, realized he hadn't.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Never won.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then was so irate that he didn't win.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So, he studies a little bit at Corcoran, as I said.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Then he moves on to study at Boston's School of the Museum of Fine Arts.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Jack Fist starts going to Cooper Union, but he drops out and goes to see Lynch in Boston.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Both are feeling kind of disillusioned by school.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: They're not that into it.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: As Lynch says, school is like a house.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the people in the house that can be a problem.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I was not inspired at all in that place.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It was tearing me down because I had such high hopes.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So, we went off to Europe.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: So, they chaperoned a trip of like girls to Europe, like rich high school girls.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Like we're going on a trip to Europe and Lynch and Fist kind of like hitch a ride with

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_05]: them.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they go to Salzburg and they're going to take some classes and then they return

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_05]: to the states without having taken any classes.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_05]: JJ, I'm not sure we need every single fucking part of the itinerary.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but now I'm just imagining like young Jack Fisk and David Lynch in basically what

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you just described, which sounds like a National Lampoon movie set up.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like carry on fine arts.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, it's British comedy series.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_02]: David, I knew what you were saying and I'm giving you five comedy points.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, then they eventually end up at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts in Philadelphia.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Partly they want to avoid being drafted, uh, cause there is the Vietnam War, but partly

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: they're just kind of doing stuff.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So Fisk stays there.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch, it seems like just keeps bumming around.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_05]: He takes odd jobs, does weird, you know, paints people's houses and stuff.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I've started to derail you as a janitor or worked in engineering firm.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_05]: What for half a second here?

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you name Jack Fisk's only three Academy Award nominations?

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This is vaguely sounding to me.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Just, just, just tell me that.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: 2024 flower month.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: 2016 the Revenant.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: 2008 there will be blood done.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he builds you nice cool wooden structures outside, but has been doing that since the

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking seventies and they've only nominated him three times.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In the last 20 years.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_05]: The thing with Jack Fisk is like, he was, you know, he stopped working.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he started directing more.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, so it's like in the seventies, he's got all these amazing credits like Carrie and,

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, the days of heaven and for the paradise.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, you know, those movies that are too cool for the Oscars back there.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He, he takes, and then it's like, he's gone until now it resuscitates him for a thin red

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05]: line.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Which a little crazy that he didn't get.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: A nom for that, but I think war movies that are set outside.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: They're like, what did you do?

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Found some jungles.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: David.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what we like?

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, if you had to name one thing that you and I show like, I think we love the movie.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We love the movie.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And what do we love?

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We love going to see dumb movies at the theaters.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That is very, very true.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's very true.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a thing we stump for.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The theater experience is worth preserving is the best way to experience a movie.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's, let's just say it, David, we're thrilled.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We're excited.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We're overjoyed.

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[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So Lynch and Fisk, they hook back up together again.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And Fisk is like, you gotta come to Philadelphia.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm actually, this is actually good.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is the first time I've been in a school where I feel like thrilled and excited.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And this city has a community of artists.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's exciting.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So Lynch was apparently, he talks about, so I've always thought, Eraserhead is his Philadelphia

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_05]: movie, right?

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about his time in Philadelphia.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and it's about living in like a shitty neighborhood.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He talks about it all the time that he lived in.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I mean, he's look, if you want to hear about Philadelphia being a great place to live,

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_05]: don't talk to David Lynch.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause every quote is him being like, we lived in a real bad area.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: All of Philadelphia has a bad area.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a couple of nice areas, but a kid was shot to death half a block down the street.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And our house is broken into twice.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And the window was shot out and our next door neighborhood windows kicked in.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, like it's the late or it's like the mid seventies in Philly, I guess.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's like that, but I think it's also just like Lynch clearly true or not has this

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: like, you know, image of his life in his mind of like, I lived in paradise Americana until

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I grew up.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I had to live in like this scary city that was so weird.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, it sounds like he has this particular access to grind with Philadelphia,

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: but this also just feels like his city movie.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is him processing.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you people live this way?

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But the other thing that happens, I said seventies, but actually this is the late sixties, 67.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Peggy Reavy is classmate slash girlfriend gets pregnant.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_05]: They get married really early.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They have Jennifer who of course director in her own right is a director in her own right.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's involved with a lot of Lynch's movies.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and she, Jennifer was born with like clubbed feet.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: She had like, um, you know, a lot of corrective surgery they had to do when she was young and

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: all this stuff.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: To me, this movie is just very much about like having a child you can't take care of.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely sick.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you guys grasp the metaphor of the weird alien.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: There is pretty complex.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying that the baby in the film is a metaphor for a baby.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I know this sounds like really warped and surreal.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the thing that's crying and is like weird and small and make that she gives birth

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: to when she's pregnant.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That's supposed to be kind of like the baby they had.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, cause in the movie, Eraserhead himself is a father.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a metaphor for the fact that David Lynch was a father.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Did he confirm that they had sexual intercourse?

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He never confirms it.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It is true.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_05]: For all we know, he's a big cock and he should be played by Jason Clark in the film.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Clark would be good.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Clark actually could play Lynch.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He'd be great.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Clark could play Lynch.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: He could do it right now.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so around the same time he's where David Lynch then at some point joins the AFI.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm hmm.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he had Merle's.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You say joins.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to remember.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: David's brow is furrowed.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm trying to clarify.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I think it's, it's still, he's still in Pennsylvania when he makes six men getting

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: sick.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Six times.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That's his first proper short film.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a one minute film, uh, of these like weird casts of Jack Fisk's head, uh, throwing

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_05]: up.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll, we'll be doing a Lynch shorties episode on Patreon.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll probably say a lot of them are weird.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like spoiler alert.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I know weird.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, but what if I say they're normal?

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that, and that's of course the weirdest kind of shit that the fucking Joker would do.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you, if you keep saying shit like that, Ben, they're going to give you a goddamn

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oscar.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So H Barton Wasserman is a former Academy student likes this and gives Lynch a thousand dollars

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: to make another movie.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And it sounds like a good time.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: For the American arts that where you could make a fucking film of a plaster head vomiting

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and people would be like, here's a thousand dollars.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Do another thing.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: That leads to the alphabet, which is another Lynch short film.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That's really interesting, uh, which we'll talk about.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_05]: These are kind of pre verbal films.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: He thinks of them as right.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Like there's not really scripted them.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously they're just images.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, experiments, explorations.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He submits this stuff to the AFI, the American film Institute.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh huh.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And the AFI gives him $5,000 to make the grandmother.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is sort of a big break in his life.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_05]: That's another Lynch short film.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about that too.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, he uses that to apply to AFI, uh, Center for Advanced Film Studies.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, you know, then moves to the sunny Los Angeles, right?

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All the films you have just cited are on the Criterion Eraser head disc.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like they were on, you know, whatever.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There was like this disc maybe that was like David Lynch short film that I had.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But what shape was the packaging?

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Normal?

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He was just always doing weird shit and selling it from his website at a time where that seemed

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: off in guard with his own media releases.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, go on.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He was, he was very DIY with it.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: In his, his charming Lynchian way.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and this fascinating aspect of Lynch, which is like,

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: quietly, he's kind of a mogul.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He, he's been really smart about controlling the rights to a lot of his stuff.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He's business minded.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: In a way you wouldn't expect.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so AFI Martin breast attended AFI a few years later and he talks about it, you know,

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_05]: as a pretty put together place.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_05]: This is like early weird sort of shabby AFI.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say tip of the spear.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, people make it movies as like something you get, go get to go to school to study.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_05]: That's still pretty new.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So Lynch starts working on a 45 page script called garden back, uh, which is based on

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: a painting he'd done of a monster.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Caleb Deschanel.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm hmm.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You heard of him?

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_05]: The big D the cinematographer wants to shoot this film.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, so they somehow get in touch with Fox and Fox is like, we'll give you a 50 grand if

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you want to turn this into a feature.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen to this time.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I know where you could do some weird shit and people would be like, why not?

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's a little Maya do some more weird shit.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if it ever pans out.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And, but Fox is like, but you know, this is 45 pages long.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You would need to make it longer if we're going to make a feature.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch said, quote, this hurt his head and he didn't understand that concept.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, uh, people are saying to him, Frank Daniel, who's a teacher of his at AFI

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: is like, you know, the film will need like scenes where people talk to each other, for

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_05]: example.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Just to kind of fill it out.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch is just like, what would they say?

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, and I'm sure everyone at AFI is like, I don't know, man.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: This goes back to my read of a racer head being the movie of his perception of trying

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: to engage with the world at large.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: People talking to each other.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Things that people do and say where he's like, I don't understand.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And this hurts my head.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Jack Nance looks like his head hurts the entire movie.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that fair to say?

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a pained grimace.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But not grimace from McDonald.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Who?

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Should I spoil this?

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: What is the next miniseries we're doing on the show?

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Grimace.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The works of grimace.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We're changing format a little bit for your 10.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: What is grimace do?

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What does he do?

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's like the hamburger like steals burgers.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Does grimace like clean up a bit?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, does he do anything?

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Grimace.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Grimace.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Upon inception was supposed to represent.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like villainous, right?

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like a evil creature.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing is that he is supposed to physically be a taste bud.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_05]: They apparently said that.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you serious?

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that insane?

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Apparently they said that later.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_05]: His name's grimace.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: He initially, I'm reading now.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He initially was introduced as an antagonist.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Who would steal milkshakes.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a genuinely good use of our Eraserhead episode.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And then yes, later apparently some McDonald's spokesman said that he was a taste bud, but that may have just been someone popping off without Ronald's approval or whatever.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's the thing.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that guy looks like a taste bud to me.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's insane.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But also the only thing more insane than that is there being no explanation for his physical form.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck is he supposed to represent?

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Why does he look that way?

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't he also start out green and then turn purple?

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That I think is true.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, you know, anyway, there, these people are having these meetings with David Lynch trying to be like, hey, could your, could your movie have like a script and stuff?

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, I don't think so.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, so Lynch tries, he says, but what it says, what he wrote was pretty worthless and he knew he'd watered it down.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's feeling very frustrated.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So instead he starts work on Eraserhead, which he'd been thinking about in a summer off from school.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's Lynch's story.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: On the first day of second year, the old fellows came in and met the new fellows.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_05]: This is AFI.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He's graduated the second year.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: The end of this meeting, they assigned different groups to different places to kick off the new year.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was assigned to a first year group.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And in my mind, this was a humiliating thing and I didn't understand it.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And I got really upset.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So I stormed up to Frank Daniel, his teacher, and I screamed and I said, I'm out of here.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I quit. I'm out of here.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, you know, they went out to, they went down to hamburger Hamlet and started drinking coffee.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And I went home and Peggy said, what's been going to his wife?

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on? They've been calling every 10 minutes.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I said, I quit.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was, she was like, well, they want to see you.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So the next day I went up and they were like, we must be doing something wrong because you're one of our favorite people.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're upset. What do you want to do?

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch says, I don't want to do this piece of shit garden back.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It's been wrecked.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And they said, well, what do you want to do?

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And he said, I want to do a racer head.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, fine, do a racer head.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is a, this is a great way to treat David Lynch in my opinion.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because in my opinion, he seems like a pain in the ass and I'd be like,

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Neg him into making a masterpiece.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Exactly. Yeah.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So what, what is a racer head?

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And he says, it was my world.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a world between a factory and a factory neighborhood and a little unknown,

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_05]: twisted, silent loss spot where little details and torments existed.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And people were struggling in darkness, living in those fringe lands.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: They're the kind of people I really love.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this sounds great.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_05]: He says it came out of the air in Philadelphia.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I always say it's my Philadelphia story.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It just doesn't have Jimmy Stewart in it.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Good. Pretty good line.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say, I need to apologize for a grave error.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Grimace was always purple, but he originally had forearms and a mean face.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Grimacy, his cousin who represents the shamrock shake, of course is green.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's a seasonal character.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: David, please go on.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just needed to cut that off at the pass before it became a whole scandal for us.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch was a really close call.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: A 21 page script for razor head.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He said he felt it.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't think it.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is a commonly noted sort of trick that he played, maybe inadvertently, maybe not, where people read the 21 page script and were like, it's a short film.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Then he goes off and makes a feature takes way longer than expected.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_05]: He kind of snuck it past people in a way.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, this is so much because it's 21 pages because no one really talks in it.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But he had always conceived of it as being feature length.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's also so much the legend of this movie.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, we talked about the way you get exposed to it at first when cool older kids are whispering about it.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you're the kind of person who starts to get more seriously interested in film, the next level of understanding on this movie is like, and do you know he basically shot this on weekends intermittently across years?

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And that's the next fact that becomes kind of mind blowing.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher Nolan following a debut film in the rough draft bucket that we covered many years ago, made his film in a similar way.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if he's ever cited Lynch being the inspiration, but I do feel like he became a guy for people who have limited resources and are working with people.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Who have difficult schedules.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: To like piece these movies together over years of like, I have actors who have day jobs.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That is how he did this.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: A weekend whenever we get the chance, whenever you build up enough money to buy a new roll of film, you shoot another day or two.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_05]: He worked every day for a year.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Then he'd run out of money.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And he says, and then we'd be down for like a year.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And then who knows what's going to happen?

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they would pick up again.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Mary Fisk.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So his first marriage does not survive the first year of production on the racer head.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Peggy says, our friendship continued.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I just quit the job.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot of work being with David Lynch.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I look a thing that's very much in the text of this movie.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And a thing we'll probably talk about across these episodes.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But David Lynch is always like, I don't understand why these people keep trying to marry me.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I keep telling them it's a bad idea.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Mary Fisk, his second wife is Jack Fisk's sister.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: But, uh, anyway, uh, around this time is when David starts, uh, pursuing transcendental meditation, which is obviously a very important part of his whole deal.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe quieted the radiator clinking that was in his brain all the time.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, he says he had a lot of dark times making this movie.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, um, he, uh, showed the film eventually whenever it's complete in some form to a guy named, uh, who is friends with Terrence Malick, his financial backer.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Terry was trying to help me get some money.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: What was his name?

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Is the name listed there?

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, uh, obviously Jack Fisk has worked with Terrence Malick.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Double fired JJ.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, he may not.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he said.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, so they show this guy some scenes and this man, uh, was trembling.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And he stood up and he screamed, people don't act like that.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_05]: People don't talk like that.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_05]: This is bullshit.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Not everyone is buying what he's selling.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_05]: He's sort of not really working at a studying at AFI anymore, but they don't kick him out.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the AFI sort of like soft helping him in a way.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a thesis film.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess so.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: But he's, you know, it's years, right?

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's sort of like pseudo graduated.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Jack Nance.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get to Jack Nance.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Nance, like they were suspicious of each other at first.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Apparently Jack Nance, obviously the lead of this film and a major collaborator throughout Lynch's career.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_05]: He was very impressed by a wooden rack that Lynch had put at the back of his Volkswagen.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And he said, Nance says, I said, boy, whoever built that thing must be on the ball.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch said, thank you, Jack.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I did that.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_05]: You're hired.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Great shit.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We are genuinely just going to have such a good time talking about this guy.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So I guess they give Lynch this.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_05]: They give Nance the script and he's like, so I got to this scene where there's a giant baby head and it kind of made sense to me because I'd had like weird fever dreams and it spoke to that.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, so Nance, I guess, just sort of gets the idea pretty quickly.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Henry, obviously the character he's playing in this is a total blank is how Lynch puts it.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So he just keeps telling Jack like no expression.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_05]: The more you can empty out the closer we're getting.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, which is funny because I'm like, he has this very specific expression the whole movie.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_05]: He is not right, but he is whatever he's doing is right ways.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_05]: What Lynch wants him to look like.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's just also funny because I think of Nance in the later movies that he's in and in Twin Peaks as a very fun over the top kind of cornball like I was going to really fun.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think but he's not a subtle actor at all.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's easy for people to write him off as like a Lynch found object like a Lynch mascot or whatever.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Yeah, but also just like is this some sort of like reclaimed sort of work of like a piece of driftwood.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He turned into a coffee table just by recognizing this guy's weird energy and getting it on camera.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think watching this movie in relation to what he does in the other Lynch movies makes it clear that he was like a real actor like there is a very specific sustained maintained energy across this film.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially when you consider that he was shooting it off and on for five years and he keeps the hair.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for all these years wild, you know, and they would work out all these little details together initially how hired to shoot the film Herbert Caldwell who done a lot of industrial films after a year in he decided he wanted to make a reading here a living wage.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So he exited the production and incomes Frederick Elms who's obviously a major Lynch collaborator shot blue velvet shot while at heart works with a thing.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Lee he shot a little film I'm pointing to right now with my finger.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a little pencil.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_05]: We have the poster in our office.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, he's a genius who helped him understand everything about making movies like he knew how to light what he did right.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, he understood development and printing and building mechanical things and I don't know like he's oh, no.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like well, he's talking about her up there.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, interesting.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Fred, no, Fred's just an AFI guy who's obviously a genius.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess Fred comes on board, Lynch shows him whatever they've got.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And Fred's just like, I was immediately hooked right from the beginning.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch is like, I'll give you a percentage of the profits.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I have no money.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And obviously this film was immensely profitable.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It was.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: In like, in the long run.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the early sort of midnight movie sensations.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It really is.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's one of those movies that ran for like a year, you know, like the quad or whatever,

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, like some, you know, smaller theater.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Lady and the Radiator, originally not in the script.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Then she just came out of the radiator.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was trying to build out a cinematic universe.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, can we backdoor her in this?

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then no way.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_05]: He said I was sitting in the food room one day and I drew a picture of her and I didn't

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: know where it came from.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I saw the radiator in my head.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Lynch talking about his process is always going to be like this.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He's not really going to be like, so what she represents is Harry's desire to do that.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like he's never going to talk like that.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little bit more like, no, I had a weird dream or I saw a guy or someone said something

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to me.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_05]: So he wants the radiator.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: To be built.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And that becomes a new thing in the movie.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, as everybody knows, he won't really talk about how they made the baby or what

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_05]: it's made of.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's obviously made of like weird, you know, organs and shit that they probably got

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_05]: from the butcher and stuff.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Goo.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Also goo.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Goo, goo.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: All the like hard prosthetic effects in this movie are pretty cool.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just like all of the craft is at the absolute highest level.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just about a Lynch being developed as a visual stylist, but it's also just like

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: for how stretched the resources were, how much this movie was made by people who were like

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: moonlighting, you know, picking up work intermittently.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It is crazy how well executed every single element of the film is, which probably has

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot to do with like he was lucky enough to find the right collaborators at a very young

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: age.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He built the community like basically off the bat.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think he's also helped by he himself being someone with a real clarity and singularity

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: of vision.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But to go back to our buckets conversation, right?

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So many of the rough draft movies, you're like this person has a clarity of vision and

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they lack the resources to know how to execute it or the sense of just the hard tax of like

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: day to day production or whatever it is.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a movie where everything is just like perfectly executed.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Every shot is perfectly in focus.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The sound is good.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like all these things that are classic first movie traps.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's doing a lot of interesting stuff like he's aided in a lot of ways by not taking

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: conventional approach to most of these elements.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But it still is astonishing watching just like how tight and pristine an object it is.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we talk about the plot?

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the movie?

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So Eraserhead is a guy.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Henry.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Henry.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He lives in like a perpetual state of pain, I would say.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: He lives in sort of an industrial city of some sort.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But is constantly like.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He looks pained by things like having to talk to people or walk around.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Any act.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Any interaction.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Just the mere process of like being alive.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: A puddle.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Ruining his sock.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas some people, people who are, let's say, psychologically well adjusted, look at

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: a puddle and go, this would make a good T-shirt.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the kind of like healthy brain of a person who knows how to perceive the world

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: interact with it.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps the puddle resembles an extraterrestrial.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But Eraserhead.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: A dang ass freak, if you will.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Eraserhead himself is kind of the anti Ben Hosley is that he sees a puddle and he basically

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: starts crying.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's grimacing in a way.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and can we just sidebar quickly to the character of Grimm?

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I had this thought while watching it again today.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Where does this movie stand in the DAF canon?

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking high up.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even talking just like the Hosley canon.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm saying like if we're trying to define what in cinema represents, what do you call

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: it?

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The artistic movement?

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The philosophy, the theology of being a dang ass freak?

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this the key text?

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you're like, it's a movie about a dang ass freak in a world of dang ass freaks made

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: by a guy who's arguably a key dang ass freak.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But everything in this film feels like the vibe that you're trying to define whenever

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you talk about.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I like this.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what?

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is like, this is something that I'm going to build upon.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're right.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything about it.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Visually.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: How it sounds.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone who is in this world.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Freakery.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's this movie is very funny, though.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, even though, obviously, it's not playing for laughs, like that's why it feels like

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it was successful.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not saying it's funny that you're laughing at freaks like, you know, Larry David

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and John McEnroe.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: My favorite moment of Lake Curb ever.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, well, there's an amazing episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry goes over to

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: John McEnroe's house and has they have a book of freaks like, you know, like Coney

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Island type like classic freaks.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're just looking at the book and going laughing so hard and everyone's getting so

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: mad at them.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's really funny.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I forgot.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not like that.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, yeah, this weird old silent comedy kind of like this guy in these situations

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that are surreal and funny.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_05]: The mom asking him, obviously, if he's had sex, like things like that is the most like

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: obvious forms of it.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But everything, the puddle, everything.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he's a put upon shlemiel of a, you know, man.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but you're right.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like a nightmare version of like a Buster Keaton character or whatever.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's in that sort of physically funny in this like madcap way.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But he is in this like weird Frankenstein kind of way.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Similar to the other like silent film greats.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like here's a guy with the distinctive silhouette and energy that is maintained.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He lives in a world that seems to constantly be at odds with him.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's heightened to a much more nightmarish, surrealistic state.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's very similar to like any of the Buster Keaton movies we talked about of just

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: like this guy basically is trying to go through his day and shit keeps happening to him.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: This is definitely a movie about how life happens to you.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he is a passive character.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He is not someone who really takes a lot of action on anything that's happening to him.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So, yes, he finds himself with a baby and a wife and then worms.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Other terrible things.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And he never really seems to know what to do about it.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Even when a good thing, quote unquote, happens to him, like the lady across the hall wants

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: to make out with him, it feels like it's just kind of happening at him.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not really even enjoying that.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is I not to harp on this.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But the guy's been married a number of times and has had other very long lasting relationships.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Many of them are people he also worked with creatively.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And he has said as much where he's just like, I tell these women that if they marry me,

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to like be normal.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not going to be emotionally available.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like married to my work.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I have my monastic way of living and they all think I'm going to change.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I don't.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel bad that I've like disappointed them.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And this movie's whole relationship to women is very similar to that, where it's like,

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: here's this odd guy who is like very confused by the way that everyone else is behaving.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then women just keep on coming to him.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like overwhelmed by it.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He's sort of unnerved by it.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But they flock.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, there is his wife played by Charlotte Stewart, Mary.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And then there is his wife's mother played by Jean Bates, who is the one who's accosting him.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And then there's the beautiful girl across the hall played by Judith Roberts, who is the villain in Dead Silence.

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_05]: A film I referenced on this episode.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of fun to think about.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And then there are situations that I think are plainly funny and also plainly nightmarish, such as like cut this meat, this chicken, right?

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Carve this chicken.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And the chicken is alive and starts like oozing blood everywhere.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That feels like a social situation taken to some extreme, right?

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That we have all like been anxious about.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Does this make sense?

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Meeting the parents and the dad being like, well, you know how to cut a chicken, right?

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, ah!

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this isn't just any chicken, David.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go ahead.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: This is new little damn made meat.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Man-made chickens.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: About the size of a fist.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Going back to my central take, right?

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I was moving my hands around.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't had chicken advancement in a while.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how I used to feel as a child sitting at a dinner table where someone like brandishes a big knife and cuts into a dead creature and like blood and like various liquids are oozing out of it.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, yum, ready to eat.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what are we doing here?

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What is this?

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But that just, right, it's just, that feels like.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is like the movie before or during him going through the process of connecting to transcendental meditation that gives him some sense of peace within the world.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the movie of like him sort of purging his relationship to all of these things.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That is like, it's weird that we just fucking eat things like this, right?

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose it is.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That you like stab them and like noises and sounds come out and we just like lick our lips.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: This sounds a lot like something a certain someone has said to me about eggs.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Please go ahead.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: They are gross.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Griffin is not an egg enjoyer.

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're kind of right when you point it out and you think about it.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We're just eating a chicken embryo.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's like, you're like, where the fuck did this imagery come from?

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think for Lynch, it's like.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They're so good though.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hitting this thing by 10%.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And that 10% is just underlining the reality of what we kind of just don't talk about.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can't talk about it.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Because if you every time sat down to enjoy some kind of animal product and thought about like, this thing was alive at one time.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And think about, you know, how it was potentially.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hyper fixating on one specific element of this film.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just beyond that where it's like, if you think about anything too deeply, everything is weird.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Human behavior is weird.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It is weird that we have all agreed to these like rules of how we build a civilization, how we function.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the movie of just a guy who like feels a little bit disarmed by everything.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I relate to this as an only child.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Being pretty much quite a loner and my parents really did leave me to my own devices a lot.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely felt like I would just be off of my own trying to make sense of things.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: David.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Griffin.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I have what I've often referred to on this podcast as bad body syndrome.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes your body seems in full rebellion.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't work.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fighting against me.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fighting against the other parts of itself.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand.

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[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're out of the summer.

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[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

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[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I like this film.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's good.

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's funny when he tries to cook the cut the chicken.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Reminds me of when I was at my friend's house when I was a little kid.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you're being him right now.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: The dad.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Just smile.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was asked if I wanted a leg or a thigh or a wing, I guess.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Something like that, right?

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And I just knew drumstick.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, as a kid, I was like, I eat drumsticks.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, that's what I eat.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But I didn't want to say that because I was like, I guess you can't be saying drumstick.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Clearly, they're not.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's on the menu.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Clearly, they don't say this word.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So I was like, then like sitting there being like, so which of those things sounds like it would be a drumstick?

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And I said wing.

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, you want a chicken wing?

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You want the wing?

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You sure?

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, yes.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they gave me the chicken wing.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, fuck.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to eat this.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know what to do.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But from like a roast chicken, you know, they weren't giving me like buffalo wings.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They were giving me the wing.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's the part, too, that mostly is like it.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But it really reminds you of like this thing was alive at one point.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But even beyond just the shout out to Sam's parents digging into a major friggin birds and shout out to bombs.

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Big time.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside of just even like the cognitive dissonance of like either choosing to ignore, not actively think about the fact that these things were living creatures or obviously people who built their lives around like I refuse to eat meat because I can't get this out of my head or whatever.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: There's also just the basic like if you actually look at a chicken, that is like gross.

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You look at the way a chicken is cooked.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It is weird that we find that appetizing.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's some like transmutation of just like what we know what the taste is.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you get a whole chicken, you got to take the parts out.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: All that strange.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what we're saying.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's strange that there are a bunch of fucking bones in this thing, even if you're not thinking about what that represents.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just odd texturally.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the whole conversation he has with Mr.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: X where he's going through the story of his arm.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, well, this is fucking insane.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: David Lynch nightmare conversation.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, wait a second.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You talk to anyone who's like 80 and this is what they talk about.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's like adjusting the tone of it.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Ten percent.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And all of this stuff is like so much less heightened than I think it's easy to sort of pretend it is because all of it's coming from a very clear base of like I mean, obviously, the root of it just being the birth of his daughter.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And when there are like.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Physical issues, as you said, from the time of birth that make you hyper aware of these things, that certainly underlines it and causes like a fixation.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: My best friend just had her first child recently.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I went over to visit.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This kid is like five days out of the womb.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He's adorable.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I like him a lot.

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a really good guy.

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was weird to be like you.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm holding a creature that less than a week ago lived inside of someone else's body.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is old news to me.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not breaking news here.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not attempting to crunk.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand what you're saying.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: What are you?

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Walter.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The stork didn't bring it.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We were going to have to have this conversation sooner or later, David.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we've been trying to avoid this.

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I know that when you saw the film Storks, your favorite animated movie, you thought that was a documentary.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was real.

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But no, the stork didn't bring it.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So weird that people think the stork brings it.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: That's so weird.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Especially for how little we engage with storks.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like who's like, you know.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You always see storks around.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That's because they're delivering babies.

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to tell a kid, oh, babies, they come from storks.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just opening up a whole new conversation of what the fuck is a stork?

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a kind of bird.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: How is it different from other birds?

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of tall and thin.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Looks goofy as hell.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Long ass legs.

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect for tucking in a bundle with which the baby.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We all know that storks live in a cloud, turn the cloud into a baby, swat the baby in a bundle, tie it into a little knot, put it in their beak.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they wear a hat, too.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's not forget.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: To indicate that they are delivering.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I suppose that's true.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: They wear kind of a male hat.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And male.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mean gender because storks don't believe in gender.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: M-A-I-L.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Kevin Costner's The Postman.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But also so confusing where it's like, what's this fucking mythology?

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Half the time they're delivering babies.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Half the time they're delivering pickles.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They deliver pickles?

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't the Vlasic stork, isn't that a...

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_05]: We are down a road I've never been down before.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what you're talking about.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't know the Vlasic stork?

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm right about this.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: No, yeah, he is right.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys respond to this as if I was.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And he does have a hat.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm saying.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a delivery guy.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And apparently he speaks in a Groucho Mark style voice.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a whole little...

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he used to have a cigar and now he holds up a fucking pickle like it's a cigar.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: One of these.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You kind of ask...

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That must have been an easy day for them with like, we have to lose the cigar.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Smoking can't really be an advertisement anymore.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're just like, what the hell are we going to do with some guy's...

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a car shaped thing in his hand.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: We're Vlasic pickles.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait a second.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the easiest change in the history of advertising.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It makes more sense than he holds a pickle.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he take like a cutter to the pickle?

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he like snip off the end?

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He has a pickle humidor.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_05]: He takes them out of there.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to get a humidor, but not for cigars because I don't smoke cigars.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe for like baseballs or something.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Just like a cool thing to have.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: You want to get a humidor for baseballs?

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the only other thing I know of that gets stored in humidors.

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Baseballs get stored in humidors before games.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know why.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So wait, are you going to...

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Extra crispy.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really...

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just good for them, I guess.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: To keep the hide, I guess...

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I think...

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Real conditioned.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I think so.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: They're real fresh.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about David Lynch and his wacky DVD packages.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The literal packages.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Mid-2000s when it's like peak DVDs.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: DVDs were printing money.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Every studio is like quadruple dipping, reissuing every big film once a year with new features

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: or new collectibles to entice people to rebuy it.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And Scarface is obviously one of the biggest movies.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like 2006, 2007.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know where I'm going with this, David?

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And Universal was like, we are reissuing the ultimate collector's edition of Scarface.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It costs $1,000.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, what?

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Why does it cost $1,000?

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It came in a wooden humidor with the Scarface logo on it.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds stupid.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like peak...

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're about to experience a financial collapse.

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: America is about to fall apart at the seams.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, but then when you watch the movie, you can tell how humid it is.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: The disc.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That slipcover is crisp because it was housed inside a humidor.

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So, to get back to Eraserhead.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The movie starts with...

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I was about to say, we should touch on the start, which is a floating...

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Sideways.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: ...creature.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Sort of spermy...

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the first first.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the man in the planet, of course, there's a guy sort of covered in spots.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: How would you describe him?

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He's lumpy.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He do be lumpy.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like face down in craters, like puddles of water.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: In this weird...

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_05]: In this weird sort of moony planet.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And he pulls a lever.

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, and the creature...

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Off the creature goes.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, obviously, this is just fucking, in my opinion.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: You know?

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just David Lynch being like, this is what happens when a man loves a woman.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I will also say, watching it now, and this is the first time I've seen a racerhead

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: in a few years, I was like, right, this Twin Peaks The Return, which I know you guys

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: haven't seen yet, but like, this just does stuff like this.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the same.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: He's still doing this stuff.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not saying...

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so beautiful that like, he still has this way of relating experiences or emotions,

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, and you'll, you guys will see it.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It rocks.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Which, by the way, is the perfect way to say it, because that is what other filmmakers struggle

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: to pull off, that he is so good at, is he is somehow able to figure out how to cinematically

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: communicate the emotion he feels tied to these images.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They are visceral, you know?

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Even when they feel abstract, you watch this movie and you're like, there is such an immediate

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: feeling to it.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is in the imagery, it is in the soundscape.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It is in the pacing.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the length of the shots.

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: When he cuts and when he doesn't, where you're just like, it immediately locks you into an

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: emotional state, like, like fucking dreams, which people like to make dreamlike movies,

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but they rarely actually have the effect on you of what it feels like when you are experiencing

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: your own dream.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so painterly, too.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But it says so much without you being able to read into what exactly is being conveyed.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's why you can't imitate.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You can, like, parody David Lynch with ease, but you cannot actually just try to copy the

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: way he presents things.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: No, because the only way to actually, like, be influenced by him is to figure out the pipeline

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: to express your own thoughts and feelings the same way, which would be different than

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: his.

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason his movies work is because they're an honest expression of his brain.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to imitate him, then it's just a fucking, it's a posture.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I say something.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The AFI logo sucks.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it stinks.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, it's AFI in red letters.

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And then behind the A is the A is casting a shadow of a star.

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like I made it in word.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking it up.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking it up.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, it's always been.

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, it's giving me results for the band AFI.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: American film.

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Go on, David.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you found it?

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just always been this logo.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I've known it.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, I'm trying to.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just like so cheesy.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can't they do better?

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: This is terrible.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember the AFI awards?

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The one year they did the televised.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Not just that.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: As an Oscar prognosticator at the time.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was 2000, I think.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It was 2001.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause I.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause Naomi Watts got a nominee.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they may have done it for two years or something.

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very brief.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing I very distinctly remember is, uh, uh, what's her name?

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Deirdre O'Connor got one for AI.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she got a best supporting actress nomination.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You mean Francis O'Connor?

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_02]: She got, yes.

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: She did.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a bunch of nominations like that, that were like the things I was fucking stumping

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: for.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, yeah, it was just, you're right.

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It was just that year.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: On TNT.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was the 2001 year.

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember like watching in the living room and being my dad, like, you're not going

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to sit down and watch this with me.

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, this doesn't matter.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He's correct.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: This is never going to last.

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But they were hoping they could edge in to the sort of precursor conversation.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They did a TNT televised special where they were doing 10 best picture nominations.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Lord of the Rings, fellas for the ring one.

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's just interesting to think about.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I might have to take the slinky from you.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: This, I, God.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone could have called this.

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I was hoping I could roll it over to you, but you know, it means steps.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It does.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It does.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Check the record.

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I called it.

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You did.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It was doomed.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was gifted to him on a Patreon episode.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And who knows where the fuck that lands compared to when this episode comes out.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to track.

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Not to go too far afield, but these nominees are arguably better than they were good.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That was why people wanted them to last.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They nominate Billy Bob and Shalhoub for the man who wasn't there.

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They nominate Naomi Watts.

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They nominate fucking Buscemi for Ghost World.

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Tannenbaum, Hackman nomination.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Brian Cox for LIE.

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like these are like good fucking.

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone was like, I'd take these over the sags of the Golden Globes.

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Francis O'Connor, Cameron Diaz.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And instead, you know, it's like, it's not, you know, we don't have any good precursors

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: now, really.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And Nolan won Screenwriter.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people thought he was going to win that Oscar.

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But Julian Fellows won for Gosford Park.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: A great film.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And Nolan recently won an Oscar for Oppenheimer.

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you sure?

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Best Picture.

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Best Director.

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Best Director.

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: He won an Academy Award.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: In which category?

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I just literally just said Best Picture, Best Director just two seconds ago.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Feel like I'd remember that.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So Henry is at dinner.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_05]: He goes to dinner with, well, he brings groceries home to his apartment, which is filled with

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_05]: like dirt and stuff.

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just so hard to explain.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Not to be really literal about this, but also in all the stuff you just sort of said about

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the man in the moon and the craters and all that sort of shit.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just cutting back and forth between those images and him sideways.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He do be sideways because he's fucking.

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry to be so crude about it.

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, but the way you're.

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He's fucking.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: He's not in fucking position.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: You gotta, you know, open your third eye here.

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like sideways in a weird.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying it's also just like Silicon Valley.

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, this guy fucks.

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could fuck that way.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You could fuck anyway.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is true.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You could fuck anyway.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But during this horrible dinner with his girlfriend's parents.

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so you're jumping all the way ahead.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_05]: What am I jumping over?

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I want 10 minutes of him walking and being uncomfortable.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got into that.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to talk about the neighborhood that he lived in.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems really nice.

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a gorgeous place to live.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably cost fucking $12,000 a month now to live in that exact alleyway.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like truly it's a factory.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He just lives in the like industrial part of this place.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, he has a hot neighbor.

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Who he I guess thinks is pretty.

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: She seems very quintessential David Lynch type of.

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of things in here.

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like, like scary, but like hot.

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Hot dark haired.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Dark haired woman.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I also just remember that she's the mother and my beloved.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You are never really here.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like she's had a very interesting.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She works all the time.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't just feel like people using her as a totem at the woman from Eraserhead.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to see that movie.

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But there is an additional juice.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The movie is a fucking match.

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm waiting for us to just do her.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Which we'll do as soon as her new fucking movie happens.

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Stop.

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you don't have to call it a fucking movie.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'll tell you who is fucking.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Her new sexing movie.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Harry in Eraserhead.

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So he goes to dinner with her, with his girlfriend's family.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And his mother yells if they've had sex or not.

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_05]: He won't answer.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But she is pregnant.

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no.

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: She actually had the baby already.

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: She's also.

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Very quickly.

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Like dealing with what almost feel like seizures.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: She will stop.

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And.

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like hit her head repeatedly and scream.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And everyone treats it kind of as like, okay, you know, whatever.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: This family strikes me as like the kind of family that doesn't really like to talk much

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: or acknowledge things.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I've dealt with this.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You've dealt with it.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The dad loves pipes and he makes some good points.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Such as?

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: People think that pipes ruin their houses.

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I disagree.

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: More pipes, please.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: More pipes.

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Now look at my knees.

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I just had to make sure that that was mentioned.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Good job.

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But you don't want like pipes like coming out of the walls.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you?

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you do.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we have.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: We have got a lot of pipes in this.

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_05]: We have two pipes.

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Which are, you know, the sort of sprinkler system.

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's highly visible.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like Ben likes it.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I suggest instead of a dinner bell, a clanking pipe.

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: How important is David Lynch to you, Ben?

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like there's a lot of.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my fucking guy.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of wavelength.

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Compatibility.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so ready to just go on this ride.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But even just like in his apartment building, you have the styling of this building is very

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: similar to a lot of the Red Room stuff in Twin Peaks.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that fair to say?

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The sort of like almost hallucinatory repeated pattern of the floors, the tiling.

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say the way the lady in the radiator stage works feels like that too.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That whole set.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The floors, the curtains surrounding.

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It has like an era to it too that I can't necessarily place, but that feels like of a certain time.

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Very 50s, 60s, like this sort of dark kitsch.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it is also like these things he is obsessed with of just like what is the unspoken weirdness or darkness that is directly under the surface, which everyone has just seemingly agreed to ignore.

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And like he's very obsessed with that within suburbia, his own sort of idyllic suburbic life we'll talk about in the Blue Velvet episode.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But he had this very like important formative experience as a young child.

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie basically springs out of a razorhead is him clearly dealing with the same things, the idea of people living in a city, but also the relationships like with women, adult sexuality, being a father, all these things that are sort of unspoken.

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other part of it, which I think like the lady in the radiator is really riffing on is like the weird sadness to all like most of art and entertainment.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The tragedy of the people who make them, the process of making them, you know, whether they are successfully like attempting to help us deal with emotions cathartically or they are meant to just be superficial entertainment.

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But there is some sort of unspoken Kenneth Anger darkness underneath it.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that whole era of like, you know, he is obsessed with these sort of like 50s, 60s swooning ballads.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: He is.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And they recur.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, this is a Roy Orbison type music recurs throughout his.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: This is an original song.

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is an original one, but very much echoing the style.

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like these songs were like deeply tragic.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You had very emotionally vulnerable people singing these songs that basically were meant to.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You could argue.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Heart on sleep ballads about being depressed or being upset or sad.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And perhaps a very culturally repressed time in America.

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A more repressed time.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: People would go see these like very weepy movies.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen to these songs.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say like where I grew up, like it was so repressed.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the guy who owned the diner painted this big picture in the window.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I got so mad and I threw a chair through the window.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We all grew up in a black and white town.

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was black and white.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But then I could start to see color.

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then what I did was I taught my fake succumb mother how to masturbate.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the tree caught on fire.

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: The tree caught on fire.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And what I did was I was on a trial about my feelings.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I made JT Walsh turn color.

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You got to make the judge so angry that he turns color.

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You ever seen Pleasantville?

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you get what we were saying at all?

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I truly was like actually like am I now in a lynchian?

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoa.

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Did truly react to us as if we had started speaking in tongues.

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Alternate reality.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie is I think incredibly good.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Comes a little short of being a masterpiece because can't quite figure out how to resolve itself.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Comes close.

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But it is insane to describe that movie like we just did.

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it is.

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He teaches his mom how to masturbate and then a tree catches on fire to the swelling strings of Randy Newman.

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Good movie.

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it a lot.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I will.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I said it on this podcast.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I rewatched it during the pandemic and was for the first time like, oh, okay.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's very, very, very on the nose.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And I suppose that meant more to me as a teenager.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think generationally we both were of the age where we were just like, how is everyone not like bowing and recognizing this as a masterpiece?

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And my mom was like, okay, fucking cool.

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly.

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not perfect.

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had the same thing the last couple of years rewatching and I'm like, I will accept that this movie isn't airtight.

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like for the first time, I am opening up my desk for criticisms of the film Pleasantville, but I still think it's very good.

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Erased her head.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So, okay.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So she's given birth to a baby or a creature.

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: She's like, we're not even sure if it is a baby.

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And obviously it came very quickly because, you know, the mom's like, did you even have sex?

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's clearly uncomfortable at the very question.

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the great existential terrors finding out there is a child of your own that you are not even aware of that now it's, it's just done.

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It exists.

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's now a thing to contend with.

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, the kind of existential terror that an entire movie like old dogs is built off of times two.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We should also say, uh, he's, he's feeling, I think, awkward about the fact that, uh, mom is, uh, kissing him on the neck.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The mom seems to roll with it, buddy.

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Both absolutely abhor sex.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And is so fucking horny for him.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Want him.

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, they are gonna, um, get married.

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's found out his entire life has changed.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to raise this baby together in their shitty house.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to get married.

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, the baby is this, uh, you know, thing.

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, how does, it's the baby from Eraserhead.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the Eraserhead baby.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: If I had to describe it, I would say Eraserhead baby ass.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like it's sort of, it literally is a visual shorthand for like a weird tentacled thing.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the thing.

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just trying to think of something I could compare it to and anything I would compare it to is something that is probably inspired by this.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the thought that comes to mind is, um, alien.

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Giger loves this movie.

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_05]: H.R.

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Giger loves this movie.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Says it's one of his like, you know, big eyeopening moments in his life.

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and tried to work with Lynch once and Lynch was like, you stole all my ideas.

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_05]: The parent, this is what you said.

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But, but like that kind of slimy animatronic, you know, I mean, however this thing is made, we don't exactly know.

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like things like Alien and the Carpenter films, certainly the thing, uh, Cronenberg, you know, like later in the seventies and eighties, there is this peak of like just gooey rubber and robotics.

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That this movie might have been the first to it's, it just properly synthesize.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess so.

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I wish I had a better handle on like surreal filmmaking of the seventies to understand.

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, obviously I know this movie was seismic, but right.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what, what was already out there in terms of like weird avant-garde movies?

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously it was like Stan Brakhage and all that stuff, you know, like, but like stuff like this, was there much?

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: My guess is not really, but there's some creature featurey elements to this, right?

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So like feel not drawn from art, but which makes it a little more accessible to audiences as like, what is this weird fucking object?

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing is you said is that it is funny.

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It is funny.

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Not obviously slap on your knee, kind of funny, but it's uncomfortable and strange and funny.

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And he knows the ways in which it's funny.

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And it becomes a thing that people are like, I guess we got to go fucking see this movie.

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in town.

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his funniest movie?

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there was an argument for being this.

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his funniest movie?

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's probably this or wild at heart.

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He did big mama's house too.

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Or that it's that's up there.

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Jasper spirited beginning.

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie is not funny.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very sad.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen the elephant man.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: How does that not funny?

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: You've never seen it now?

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're going to see it soon for this podcast.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's not funny.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd say that one's not funny.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say your sides will remain intact.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that one's very sad.

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Your ribs will be untouched.

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Watching the elephant man.

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a deeply tragic film.

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite beautiful, but it's not really funny.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Put that one in the masterpiece bucket, but not not a laugher.

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So the this child creature rejects food, cries all the time.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: The mom goes crazy and basically runs away.

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Goo's come out of it.

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Goo comes out of it, which, hey, man, raising a baby.

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: David?

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: There be goo coming out of them.

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm saying.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can just imagine real life David Lynch looking at his young daughter and being

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like, what's all this stuff coming out?

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great.

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you're sick.

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's right.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There's that sort of crucial moment where he's like, wow, you really are sick because

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: she's like covered in sores.

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_05]: She I mean, I really, you know, it whatever.

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't really have a yes.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I would say the lady in the radiator shows up around this point, too.

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think what she represents is when there's a lady in your radiator.

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very clear metaphor.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Not to sort of dissect the frog and all of this.

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: In heaven.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously looking for meaning in Lynch films can be a bit of a facile thing to do.

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, where you're like, this means this and this means this.

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I do think Eraserhead is one of his more easy to grapple with tales.

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, by the nature of it basically being a character study.

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about one person, really.

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's about a thing that happens to him.

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And just his relationship to the world.

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And his circumstances.

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: The lady in the radiator, she sings songs.

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: She's got chubby cheeks.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_05]: She's got this sort of like peroxide wig.

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like a throwback.

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of wig.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And she feels like this sort of affirming, comforting.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say.

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Angel of death.

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like a hypothetical grass is greener.

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: But she's appearing during terrible times.

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And she's sort of reassuring him.

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The siren of like escapism.

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he will eventually stab his baby thing to death.

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably kill himself.

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you can sort of take what you want from the ending.

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: But it sort of seems like he's either dying or.

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Transcending.

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Something like that's happening.

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_05]: She's sort of hugging him.

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah.

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, she's she's not.

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying if she shows up, you shouldn't be like things are going well for me.

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But David, you say this.

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet my experience has been very different.

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You have the lady in the in the central heating.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you don't have a radiator.

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Things are like a newer building famously going great for me.

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going fine.

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You're doing so good.

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree.

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You guys have loud radiators at any of your.

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So my old apartment.

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: The not big.

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Nice.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: What was the middle one called?

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: A little nicer.

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_05]: A little nicer.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Had those classic fuck off early 20th century like Spanish flu radiators that just would

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: go like bang, bang, bang.

[01:42:53] Bang.

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: In the middle of the night when they came on.

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_05]: They were so annoying.

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to get as hot as the sun.

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say more than anything, this movie feels like and it makes sense why it

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: was such a phenomenon amongst like college students and such that it does feel like

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: a movie about living on your own for the first time.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And just being like, wait a second.

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Am I supposed to solve all of this?

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in a room where weird things are happening.

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You're paying for the smallest room imaginable.

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can barely afford it.

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But also it's just like a noise starts happening.

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The temperature changes.

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Something weird happens and you're like, what is this?

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's in charge of this?

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is this happening?

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never felt more powerless.

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: This is now scary.

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the kind of thing that's actually becoming unsettling and I'm overwhelmed by even trying

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to acknowledge it.

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: He does have a sexual encounter with the beautiful girl from across the hall.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Mostly a make out sesh, I would say.

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's let's say it.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Eraserhead.

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Folks.

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a legendary stick man.

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he truly has at his bedside pile of dirt with a stick stuck in it.

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So that what do you think that represents?

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Huh?

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, when I say my man gets strange, Ben's doing a finger in the hole.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it literally.

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You mean strange, like strange things happen to him and his experiences in life.

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm also using this sort of like colloquial way that people hit the space bar.

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark, where to have sexual encounters with various people you barely know getting strange.

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, look, his head pops off.

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what else do we need to talk about?

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, quote unquote, plot wise with Eraserhead.

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got the I got the criterion up in a browser right here.

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm trying to like scan through if there are major segments we haven't talked about.

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: His head is taken to a factory.

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and then he finds.

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm also kind of like the baby comes out of his neck.

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The baby's head or at least a facsimile of.

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, correct.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And he gets turned into Erasers, which is where they get the title from.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, one could argue that from the get go, even before that point, long before that point.

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The height of his hair makes it look like he is a pencil.

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, very true.

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: His hair is the eraser.

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That's very true.

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That was my very literal reading.

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they call this guy fucking Eraserhead.

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was a really cool name.

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he kind of sounds like some weird like indie superhero too.

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Eraserhead.

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But actually, he's just a sad fucking guy.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he does have a superpower.

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What's that?

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Being a sad fucking guy.

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, being weirdo.

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Being miserable and fucking shit up.

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So he goes and he stabs his child to death.

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_05]: His child just being a head and a bunch of weird organs.

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, things go crazy.

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And the planet kind of shows up and there's crazy clouds and there's weird sperm puppets.

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's the woman in the lady in the radiator.

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's Jack Fisk pulling levers in the planet.

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, it's all over for him.

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this shit rules.

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 out of 10.

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some moment, I think, right before he attacks the baby where he sees the lady across the hall.

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She's with another man.

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: With another man.

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's not working out for him.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_05]: He's clearly very alone.

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_05]: He's very alone.

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_05]: He's frustrated.

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel you, Racerhead.

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a tough week for you.

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever seen...

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It still takes place over a week, Rick.

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: David.

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes?

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever seen I Don't Know Jack?

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The documentary about Jack Nance.

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I've played You Don't Know Jack, the popular 90s quiz show computer game.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, then I will accept that as an answer.

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I've never seen it.

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I know what you're talking about.

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been curious to watch it.

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how watchable it is now.

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember TLA video having it on the shelf next to Eraser and always being curious about it.

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he is...

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_05]: My guess is it's a bunch of cool motherfuckers talking about how great Jack Fisk is, right?

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's about Jack Nance.

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's about Jack Nance?

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was made shortly after he passed away.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's my guess.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a bunch of cool motherfuckers talking about how great Jack Nance is.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it is.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's exactly what it is.

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm seeing Dennis Hopper here.

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Seeing the log lady.

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Brad Dourif.

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a Lynch sort of approved, presented, produced...

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: David Lynch presents.

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it's like watchable anywhere now,

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: but I've always been curious about it because he is such a...

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You watch this movie and you're like, who the fuck is this dude?

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He died sort of tragically young.

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking to see if it's like literally on like YouTube or something.

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_05]: We will cover him in many other films to come.

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We will.

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Not seeing it on YouTube.

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We're seeing like trailers and stuff.

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, I'm seeing the great Al Pacino film.

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't know, Jack.

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a $100 DVD for sale on Amazon.

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of money for something that's probably not that...

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'd like to find a way to watch this thing.

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Jack Nance, a lovely guy by all accounts.

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think this is like an incredible performance.

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: A true performance.

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he had...

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he had a difficult end of his life.

[01:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Which...

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, which we can talk about later.

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We will.

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He's amazing in Twin Peaks.

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You've never seen Twin Peaks, right?

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I've only seen the pilot.

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He's the one who says wrapped in plastic.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That, you know, if you've seen the pilot.

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've seen him in that.

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Wrapped in plastic.

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Eraserhead's good.

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you said, five stars, ten out of ten.

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No real notes here.

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I, for example, would not stand up and say people don't talk like this.

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_05]: This is bullshit or whatever that guy said.

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I watch this and I go, yes, thank you.

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what everyone talks like.

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit.

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone's getting it right.

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like waiting for you.

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You're coming so close but short of doing the full David.

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you want me to say?

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Eraserhead.

[01:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lady in the radiator.

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: He stabs the baby.

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what happens.

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds cool.

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks cool.

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's great.

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you want me to say?

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Final thoughts?

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to email Criterion.

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I know they don't usually do pull quotes on the cover, but they might want to reissue Eraserhead with.

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds great.

[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll tell you that Lynch tried once this film was done in 1976.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to make a sequel.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: To Racerhead.

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Tried to get into Cannes.

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Director's Fortnite people came and looked at it, which is sort of like an entry-level Cannes festival.

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lynch says, they said some nice things, but, you know, didn't work out.

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He gets a more formal rejection from the New York Film Festival than Los Angeles Film Exposition,

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: aka Filmex, which was a sort of indie festival at the time, premieres it.

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It gets a bad review from whoever was there in Variety.

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and Lynch then cuts about 20 minutes out of the movie.

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, the film's about 90 minutes long.

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So, like, I can imagine that this longer would be an even bigger trial for someone who'd never seen it.

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like, it's definitely, like...

[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he got to the exact right track.

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It's definitely as it should be, I would say.

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a classic example of the fucking Danny Boyle, like, 90-minute blood pack thing.

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So, like, certain movies with certain style and certain subject matter, 90 minutes is the exact length of time the audience is going to tolerate before they hit a wall, even if you're doing the best possible version.

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, uh, Ben Barinholtz of Libra Films, who is a midnight guy, you know, like a...

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's his...

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Iconic midnight movie kind of guy.

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is, this is the 70s are when that's really starting to...

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_05]: ...bloom as a model of theatrical distribution.

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_05]: He had distributed, like, Pink Flamingos, the John Waters movie.

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_05]: He sees the film and is immediately taken with it.

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Halfway through the screening, he gets on the phone and is like, buy this movie.

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, that is how it begins its reputation, is this film just plays in, like, 15, 20 cities around the country, just endlessly.

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Word of mouth.

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: This was...

[01:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what we're talking about, the Rise of the Midnight movie was these very experiential, you have to be here, this is an event.

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Turned on young people.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Being like, here's a portal into a different thing.

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, it's really hard to do a box office game for Eraserhead.

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it doesn't really have, like...

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It was kind of...

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_05]: A single premiere date.

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_05]: More of a roadshow roaming.

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm picking the date...

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Its release strategy was very similar to the way in which it was made.

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[01:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm picking the date that IMDb has it listed as just a general premiere in the U.S., which is the...

[01:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: In February 1978.

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: What year?

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: What date?

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll give you the exact date.

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious if it's my birthday.

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I don't think it is, because I think your birthday is later in the month, and IMDb has it listed here as premiering in America on February 3rd, 1978.

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: One day off for my mother's birthday.

[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Which way?

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Fourth.

[01:52:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Would have been nice.

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Number one at the box office is a film that came out in 1977.

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And was a large hit and nominated for Best Picture.

[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Wars?

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Not Star Wars, which is number nine at the box office.

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Because everything I said did just in fact match what you said.

[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But Star Wars, of course, came out in the summer.

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: This film came out in November.

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It is also a science fiction film.

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it Close Encounters?

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Of the third kind.

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the third kind.

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: The Steven Spielberg film.

[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: About aliens who play the keyboard.

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And bad dads who love those aliens.

[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And...

[01:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Potato.

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Shaping potato.

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: He makes a potato thing.

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And if Richard Dreyfuss wants to do a special screening with Blank Check Ever, where he introduces

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_05]: the film and talks about his feelings on like current events or politics.

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Look...

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We are ready for that.

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to blow our shot.

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's...

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We get a lot of juice from people sort of anticipating trying to game out where they think the show

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to go.

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: We did this episode without a guest, as we often do for the first episode of the miniseries.

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We are doing something a little bit off the usual format.

[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: For the rest of the David Lynch miniseries, Richard Dreyfuss will be the guest on every episode.

[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And he'll tell you everything you want to hear about the current state of the world.

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Number two at the box office is another huge hit of 1977.

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It came out in December.

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: December...

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: An iconic film.

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's...

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it an Oscar player?

[01:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was nominated for Best Lead Actor.

[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Saturday Night Fever.

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There we go.

[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_05]: John Battam's Saturday Night Fever.

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Great movie.

[01:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And Old Dogs Prequel.

[01:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good movie.

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It rocks.

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Saturday Night Fever rocks.

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And a movie...

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a huge bummer of a movie.

[01:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing.

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a movie...

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Because everyone realizes when they watch it.

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_05]: There are few movies where there is greater...

[01:53:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Disconnect between, like, public perception.

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's so true.

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The experience of actually watching the movie is very different.

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We're like, oh, this movie's about a loser.

[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Then how we sort of have used this movie as cultural shorthand for decades.

[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the fucking...

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The soundtrack and he's eating the pizza.

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, no, it's about toxic masculinity and a fucking loser.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A movie that basically gets reduced to, like, three images in four minutes.

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's awesome.

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And eight songs.

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And Travolta's amazing.

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Great.

[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Number three at the box office.

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, here we go.

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Is a film I don't know.

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It stars a big star of the time, but a TV star.

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I would assume this is one of his many kind of attempts to become a movie star, which

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_05]: never really panned out for him.

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_05]: He's still with us.

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He's still a...

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Alan Alda?

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Similar, though.

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Sakama guy?

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:54:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: He's still with us.

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a...

[01:54:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone loves him now.

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and he wins Emmys and he's doing great.

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not Bob Newhart.

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: No, he's really old.

[01:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I love the man.

[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So this guy's a little younger than that.

[01:55:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this guy's in his 70s.

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a Henry Winkler picture.

[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct.

[01:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So...

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it Heroes?

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not Heroes.

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So, because Happy Days ends when?

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, 1970.

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It ends in 84, right?

[01:55:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is like right in the middle of Happy Days.

[01:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: He hasn't even put the skis on.

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The shark isn't even in sight for him.

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_05]: They might be coming.

[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The shark might be coming.

[01:55:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But this is a college comedy.

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Or it seems like it starts at college.

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's from a big comedy director.

[01:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it the wrestling movie?

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No, well...

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the one Henry Winkler comedy that they did on the Video Archives podcast.

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It might be a wrestling movie.

[01:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not called like The One and Only or something.

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It is called The One and Only.

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that movie's about wrestling.

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're right.

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_05]: He eventually tries professional wrestling.

[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Creates a character known as The Lover.

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Henry Winkler, Kim Darby, who I best know from True Grit, directed by Carl Reiner.

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You say he's a guy where he tried to make the jump to movies and it never really happened.

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And he is one of those guys.

[01:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say Alan Alda's the same way where you're like, if you actually look at the math, they

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: were kind of movie stars for like a decade.

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of movies that they were in.

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And they all did well enough.

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say Alda has that more.

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Alda has like a pretty solid film career.

[01:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And he directed a lot of them too.

[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And whereas it's like with Winkler, it's basically like Lords of Flatbush is sort of like,

[01:56:21] [SPEAKER_05]: hey, you know, these...

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, everyone in the movie is going, hey, but like, you know, it's like, oh, here we go.

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's cooking.

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the...

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And then that movie Heroes that you referenced and then this.

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And then four years later, he does Night Shift.

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's it.

[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Which famously, I mean, obviously that's Ron Howard who gets his buddy to, you know,

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: sign on to a movie which basically becomes the guarantor to him getting to make a studio

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: film.

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But the story was that he had seen Michael Keaton for that movie early, loved Keaton, went to

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the studio and they were like, this guy's a fucking unknown.

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot hire him.

[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And when he got Winkler, they were like, we are so thrilled that you've nabbed Winkler

[01:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that you can hire anyone else you want.

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So Shelley Long's in it as well.

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Winkler was like big enough that he covered the whole budget.

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, guess what the next film he acted in after?

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously he like sort of produced and directed a couple movies, but the next film he acted

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_05]: in after Night Shift was Scream.

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that crazy?

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a short run.

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, so that's number three.

[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's opening in number three.

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So probably not like an amazing opening, but whatever.

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Number four, another 77 film, a big Oscar nominee.

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_05]: More forgotten, I would say.

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_05]: More forgotten.

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not Breaking Away.

[01:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the wrong year.

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not Breaking Away, but like.

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_02]: In that category, Paper Chase?

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Not Paper Chase.

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you're.

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: That's later.

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Breaking Away is about bikes, right?

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, more.

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_05]: This film is also about like a thing, an industry, a world.

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that description.

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's helpful.

[01:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What drama would you say?

[01:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it like a drama?

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a drama.

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a big drama.

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a proper drama.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Star driven drama with ladies.

[01:58:04] [SPEAKER_05]: About a thing.

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But then there's a breakout young performer in a supporting role.

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Huh.

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not Norma Ray.

[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great movie.

[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Supporting role.

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[01:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's the breakout?

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And it got Oscar nominations.

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Eleven.

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Whew.

[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Eleven Oscar nominations.

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_05]: One zero.

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_05]: One zero.

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's 9077, so everything goes to Annie Hall on Star Wars.

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Meryl in this?

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Who would the breakout be?

[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not sissy.

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think of people who are like bumbling.

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The breakout is a man.

[01:58:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The breakout is a man.

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The two leads are women.

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's kind of rude, actually.

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He's stealing.

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The two.

[01:58:44] Thief.

[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The two leads.

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not Julia.

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's about a thing.

[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that year.

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's.

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just circling.

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's about a world.

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's about a world.

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Like breaking away is in the world of bikes.

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_05]: This is in the world of fuck.

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's the distributor of this picture?

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: 20th Century Fox.

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_05]: 20th Century Fox.

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a film directed by Herbert Ross.

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Fuck.

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Not that helpful because he directed lots of movies.

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it The Turning Point?

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's The Turning Point.

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_05]: There we go.

[01:59:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And Bancroft and Shirley MacLaine.

[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But this film is set in the world of what, Griffin?

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Dancing.

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Ballet.

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Mikhail Baryshnikov.

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Going from dancer to actor.

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Getting an Oscar nomination.

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_05]: On pointing his way.

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And you see it's like the turning point of their careers.

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But also that's what you do when you are balleting.

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Turning point of his foot.

[01:59:37] Oh.

[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting on those tiptoes.

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He's marching his way over to wherever they used to hold the Oscars at that point in time.

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Some big theater.

[01:59:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, number five is this is sort of why I like this box office game.

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a satirical comedy.

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:59:53] Okay.

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to give me more than that.

[01:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You're stroking your chin.

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I do.

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think.

[01:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you don't have.

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Who did satirical comedies in the 1970s?

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Mel Brooks?

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it Silent Mover?

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Fuck.

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Silent Mover was the film made before this.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It is High Anxiety.

[02:00:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:00:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It is a parody of Hitchcock movies.

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think a pretty sloppy movie that has incredible stuff in it.

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's got some funny stuff in it from what I remember.

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And it also, like, it is, it's got some of the best examples of Brooks making cinematic jokes.

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I remember High Anxiety because, right, he's copying the shower scene down to the editing style and all that stuff where you're like, that's cool.

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a movie where the camera is funny.

[02:00:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the gag is like, he's giving him paper and there's ink.

[02:00:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're kind of like, okay.

[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But, like, but the way it looks is cool.

[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There's stuff in it that's great.

[02:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Madeline Kahn's great in it.

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's also.

[02:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen High Anxiety?

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not.

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you a big Mel Brooks guy?

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Or are you just like.

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say big.

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I've seen all the big ones.

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I love Mel Brooks.

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's great.

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's one of the funniest people ever.

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That is sort of infamously the movie where he was like, I played the lead.

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And they, like, went through the motions of him offering it to his usual guys and they passed.

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, oh, I guess I got to play the lead.

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was so big that they couldn't say no.

[02:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, movies kind of worked better when you got, like, a Gene Wilder at the center.

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because I feel like.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Mel's kind of good as a side dish.

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, you know, like, Producers, Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein.

[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Those movies are good.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Then Silent Movie, High Anxiety, History of the World.

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: He's the lead in all three.

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: But.

[02:01:31] [SPEAKER_05]: In my memory, the other two are really big ensemble pieces.

[02:01:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He's less of a lead.

[02:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Silent Movie is really a trio.

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And History of the World is ensemble.

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, it's a sketch movie.

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He plays different characters.

[02:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: High Anxiety is like, I am the leading man of this movie.

[02:01:46] Yes.

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Mel.

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hung on me.

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, oh, you realize the value of having someone like Gene Wilder, who has

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: greater facility as a dramatic actor, to be able to create a little bit more of a spine

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: in the through line, even in a silly movie of this is a real guy.

[02:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess even Spaceballs, he's a lead, but not really.

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like Spaceballs and then Robin Hood.

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, right.

[02:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, bring in your face actors who are funny.

[02:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember if it's before this, but like he leading into this movie, whatever company

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it was, Ren Track or whoever used to do the like top 10 box office stars every year where

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: they would poll the public.

[02:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And he made like number six on the list.

[02:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though he had not been the lead of any of his movies.

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Funny guy.

[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He was so big as a figure.

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then his movies are so popular that people were like, my sixth favorite movie star is

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that director who makes cameos in his own movies.

[02:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And he would like go on talk shows and all that.

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think like he carried that as like, well, look, why couldn't I be the lead of my movie?

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not wrong in that those movies are liked and remembered.

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They are obviously not.

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It does feel like the central feeling of that movie.

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to do Mel Brooks someday.

[02:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll do him someday.

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Put it on the Brooks.

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Number six of the box office.

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of our favorite cultural commentator, it's the Goodbye Girl starring Richard Dreyfuss.

[02:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Number seven is something called The Late Great Planet Earth, which seems like it's being narrated by Orson Welles.

[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's an adaptation of like a hit, you know, book about like end time prophecies or whatever.

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's back in the day.

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_05]: These fucking things would just get made.

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: They all sound awful.

[02:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

[02:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, yes.

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Number eight is a film called Across the Great Divide, which is a Western.

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't really know it.

[02:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Stars Robert Logan.

[02:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Number nine is some piece of shit called Star Wars.

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And the number 10 is The Adventures of the Wilderness Family.

[02:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Heard of it?

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Never heard of it.

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: No, neither have I.

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see what it is.

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems to be a big family adventure movie starring Robert Logan.

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: This guy's everywhere.

[02:04:03] What the fuck?

[02:04:04] Who is this guy?

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just, I guess.

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He was number five.

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: One spot ahead of Brooks.

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: He's just one of those guys who made like, like classic kind of family friendly adventure

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_05]: movies where it's like they see a bear, you know, and you're like, it's a real bear.

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're like, whoa.

[02:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay.

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But it wasn't part the bear, my friend.

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It was Bruno the bear.

[02:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know what?

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_05]: They probably saved a lot of money.

[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Getting Bruno in there.

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: First quote was huge.

[02:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Bruno was out of control.

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So Bruno the bear and who is best known for being a gentle Ben.

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so he probably actually commanded a pretty big paycheck himself.

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He played the bear.

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a bear.

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a bear.

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That was not wrong.

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You responded to him with a tone of correction.

[02:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I just said he was a bear.

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What did he play?

[02:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What did he play in the movie?

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he play an otter?

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't fucking think so.

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I haven't seen the film, so I can't confirm, but it looks like he played a bear.

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go on a limb and say that Ben was correct.

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Y'all ever seen a bear?

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Up close.

[02:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw one of the high corns.

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I try to stay so fucking far away.

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, actually, I was at my uncle's house in Pennsylvania.

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Pennsylvania, and there was a rash of bears, and one came really close.

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was scary.

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They're scary.

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They're too big.

[02:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Got to shut it down.

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a black bear.

[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: See, in my opinion.

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I've only ever seen a grizzly bear, like, in a reserve.

[02:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen those in the wild.

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I have seen black bears.

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You tell me that bears are outside.

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stay the fuck inside.

[02:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's you.

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's me.

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's you, baby.

[02:05:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the end of Eraserhead.

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Eraserhead next week, Elephant Man.

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely top to bottom.

[02:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect episode.

[02:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you want us to say?

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_05]: This is what you voted for us, saying that David Lynch movies are good.

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch is good and weird.

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Mel Brooks sidebar.

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_05]: What was I supposed to say?

[02:06:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a piece of shit?

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Huh?

[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that would be dishonest.

[02:06:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It would be dishonest.

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I love this movie.

[02:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I always have.

[02:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I do, too.

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's great.

[02:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not like Mulholland Drive was the Lynch movie that got me into David Lynch.

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So I like Eraserhead has always like I would love to have had have had that experience of walking into a midnight movie, hearing that you're going to see something really strange and seeing Eraserhead with little cultural context.

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_05]: When I saw Eraserhead, I knew there was going to be a weird organ baby in it.

[02:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I already knew.

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know much, but I knew there was a weird lady in a radiator.

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: With cheeks.

[02:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the imagery had been spoiled for me.

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But yet it's not like it didn't still have a big effect on me.

[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not really.

[02:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like I'm trying to think of.

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But I cannot imagine what how fucking cool it must have been.

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't either.

[02:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: To just go see this movie.

[02:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably high on grass.

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, like this guy was.

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Wacky tabacky.

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I think.

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And then go have like a weird threesome with, you know, your neighbor or whatever people did in the 70s.

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like this guy.

[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: High on grass and lewds.

[02:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And then go like vote for Ed Koch.

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like this guy over.

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And eventually become a banker.

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what's going on in these 70s?

[02:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: These guys.

[02:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Abandoning their radicalism.

[02:07:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Selling us down the fucking river.

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like all bands for you.

[02:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No, come on.

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: No, not you.

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you that that absolutely sounds like the best possible way to have experienced this movie.

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, I do think this is a mental exercise.

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The fucking 14 year old.

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie is kind of a mental exercise.

[02:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a fucking psychological treadmill.

[02:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the 14.

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy.

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the 14 or 15 year old weirdos who are discovering Eraserhead now.

[02:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The pipeline to get in there is probably a lot different because it's not a cool kid with a T-shirt or someone on your fucking college campus telling you they're going to a screening.

[02:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Might not be.

[02:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You might be getting hit with the fucking gifts and such.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The letterboxd logs and whatever.

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You're watching it in 82 parts on TikTok.

[02:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is my thing.

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this movie can be spoiled.

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it can't be spoiled.

[02:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: As much as it must have been a fucking mind blower if you go in knowing nothing.

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think this is a movie where even if you've gotten all the pieces through cultural osmosis, there is something about it as an object where all of it within its own context.

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The wavelength that creates and sustains.

[02:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Is still a transformative experience.

[02:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's like really obvious what it's about.

[02:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: He lost his keys.

[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's about.

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you just check my website, I'll tell you how it's actually about how he lost his keys.

[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And folks, if you want to buckle up and stay on.

[02:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to have reads like that on all of these movies.

[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: The next four or five months.

[02:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I think this guy lost his keys again.

[02:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's set our objective.

[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's forgetful.

[02:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The goal of this miniseries is to solve every David Lynch movie.

[02:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And on each episode, we will come out with the key, clear answer.

[02:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I just feel like if I had like endless time on my hands and a really malevolent streak, I would like set up websites where I'm like, let me explain to you how it's about how he lost his keys.

[02:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you?

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just like have lots of images and I'm just driving people crazy.

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you write anything up when you logged this movie on the rewatch on Letterboxx?

[02:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Should I?

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should.

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Lost his keys.

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Do it right now.

[02:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I rebooted the computer, but.

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So I wriggled out of your jam again.

[02:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I just always like.

[02:09:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Just like Slick Donnie, who I assume by the point that this has come out, has wriggled out of the current jam.

[02:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I like the bit where we like fucking write a Letterboxx log in real time and then people read it.

[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_06]: What does this mean?

[02:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they get to the episode months later and it feels like.

[02:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.

[02:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense.

[02:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Season four of Arrested Development.

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: The most satisfying television of all.

[02:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[02:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.

[02:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember people tying themselves in knots being like, this is actually brilliant.

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, no, this is actually people's schedules just didn't line up.

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You're telling me they weren't in the same rooms?

[02:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Stupid shit.

[02:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What was that?

[02:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: What happened in the fifth season?

[02:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: There was another season, right?

[02:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: What happens on that one?

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all together except Portia de Rossi didn't want to do the show anymore.

[02:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So early in the season, she's like, I don't want anyone to see my face.

[02:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And she puts a blanket over her face.

[02:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[02:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not shitting you.

[02:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then for the rest of the season, she's like dubbed over.

[02:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she did do ADR.

[02:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's the last episode.

[02:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Then she finally takes it off again.

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[02:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But they were just like, we took the time.

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We weren't going to do a fifth season unless everyone's schedules matched up and we could

[02:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: get in the same episode except Portia, who said she doesn't want to do the show.

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not very good.

[02:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it in deep pandemic.

[02:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I had given up on it when it came out at first.

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people have.

[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think in deep pandemic, they did the recut of season four.

[02:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, is this a good excuse?

[02:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and Jessica Walter died.

[02:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, let me rewatch the three great seasons.

[02:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun to do.

[02:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, let me see what the season four cut together as normal episodes is like.

[02:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: How was it?

[02:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It is hell.

[02:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, no, this is brilliant.

[02:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, then why are the jokes funny?

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's all part of the bits.

[02:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: That's like the.

[02:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And then season five, I watched it the first time.

[02:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And the only thing that's kind of interesting about it is that like Michael Cera really does

[02:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: become the lead of the season.

[02:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember that.

[02:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he was good.

[02:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's really good.

[02:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's from the era where he's not doing much.

[02:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about him later.

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We will.

[02:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: He's in Twin Peaks, The Return.

[02:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the era where you're like any Sarah we can get is a gift because the guy

[02:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't like doing anything other than Lonergan plays on Broadway.

[02:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What he wants to do.

[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He rolls.

[02:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Just Dustin guy.

[02:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Defa movies.

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got like three people.

[02:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Sebastian Silva.

[02:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Lonergan.

[02:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of Porsche, some other guests to look forward to in this series.

[02:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ellen DeGeneres.

[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Eric Clapton.

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, to be fair, I just told Eric Clapton that he should just play cocaine over and over

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: again.

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want him to talk.

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You also told him to do cocaine over and over again.

[02:12:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[02:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He said, you know, we'll set that brain straight.

[02:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Cocaine.

[02:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Some of the devil's best.

[02:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I had a slow hand on cassette.

[02:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember I would listen to cocaine and be like, wow, this is like a grown up song.

[02:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: What was his band before he went solo?

[02:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The Birds?

[02:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[02:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like a trio.

[02:12:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you mean cream?

[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a bunch of cream records.

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Cream are good.

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They fucking rule.

[02:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Crunchy.

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Crunch as hell.

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: This episode is so over.

[02:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Episode has never been more over.

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so true.

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just waiting for the computer to restart.

[02:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I got it.

[02:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to fucking log the thing.

[02:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did you restart it?

[02:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It told me I needed to.

[02:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, the episode's older.

[02:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess overall, I guess I'll do it now.

[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It is older.

[02:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to try to do the outro and let's see if the computer successfully reloads.

[02:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go to the bathroom.

[02:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You do the outro.

[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_05]: That's rude.

[02:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But I do it all the time.

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I don't like it because I think.

[02:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I keep doing it.

[02:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You're treating it like it's not a valid part of the podcast.

[02:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to tell you this slinky.

[02:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so tempting.

[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben, this is.

[02:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I love you.

[02:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're a very smart man.

[02:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the dumbest shit you have ever done in your life.

[02:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You have described to me so many dumb experiences of mistakes you made in your youth.

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the worst decision you've ever made.

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I called it.

[02:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you absolutely did.

[02:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You were like, I'm going to buy him a slinky.

[02:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, that shit better be plastic.

[02:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't.

[02:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I got the metal one.

[02:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And you went, well, metal's more funny.

[02:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I went, yeah.

[02:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what?

[02:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to spend so much goddamn time cleaning that audio up because my guy's

[02:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: never going to stop playing with that shit.

[02:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's been retired.

[02:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben says as he plays with the slinky directly in front of the microphone.

[02:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all for listening.

[02:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Please remember to rate, review and subscribe.

[02:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to Murray Barty for helping to produce the show.

[02:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, big thank you to AJ McKeon, who are going to be spending months trying to remove slinky

[02:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: noises from episodes.

[02:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to JJ Birch for being fired and writing our dossiers.

[02:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to Lee Montgomery and the Great American Novel.

[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_05]: He better thank us for being fired.

[02:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He better thank us.

[02:14:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Or else he's fired.

[02:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: JJ, you have one chance to get rehired.

[02:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's to thank us for you being permanently fired.

[02:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And when you do, of course, then you are acknowledging how fired you are.

[02:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course.

[02:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[02:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm back on this.

[02:14:45] [SPEAKER_05]: After saying I wouldn't do it anymore.

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's a good bit.

[02:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, thank you to, I think that's everyone, right?

[02:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[02:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Did I say everybody?

[02:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Go to BlankCheckPod.com for some real nerdy shit, including our Patreon, BlankCheck Special

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Features, where, as we said, we'll be doing an episode on Lynch Short Films.

[02:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I make-

[02:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Many of the ones discussed today?

[02:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can do whatever you want, then.

[02:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: A brief suggestion?

[02:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Please.

[02:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Can we also talk about his music?

[02:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about this later.

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a huge conversation to drop in the wrap-up of an episode.

[02:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He has so many things that he does.

[02:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[02:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a lot of things.

[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But he has just such-

[02:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: He draws cartoons.

[02:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He makes weird sitcoms about rabbits.

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So we do an episode on coffee?

[02:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Such a weird, like, body of work when it comes to music.

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_05]: We will-

[02:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: With the short films, those will be quick, so we can put other things in.

[02:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we drink coffee during that.

[02:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: We drink the coffee.

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, drink the coffee.

[02:15:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, maybe we do a commentary for, like, six guys getting sick, where we're like,

[02:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: eww.

[02:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh.

[02:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Nasty.

[02:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[02:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like you gotta sign up for the Patreon, where apparently we're doing everything.

[02:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing it all.

[02:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's all gonna be about how these guys just do not know where their fucking keys are.

[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just alternating between that and, like, Battleship.

[02:15:56] [SPEAKER_09]: You're right.

[02:15:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Whatever else.

[02:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a very consistent vibe over on the Patreon feed.

[02:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, sign up for that.

[02:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And, as always, tune in next week for The Elephant Man, of course, with our guest, Donald J.

[02:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump.

[02:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And Michael Cohen.

[02:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Reunited at last.

[02:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting better.

[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Friends again.

[02:16:16] Just kidding.

[02:16:17] We're just kidding.

[02:16:17] We're just kidding.

[02:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: John Merrick, you got a raw deal?

[02:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: They call him!

[02:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: In heaven, everything is fine.

[02:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun of any.