Glass

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check It's amazing to meet you. It is simply extraordinary.

[00:00:24] Maybe this wall makes sense if I explain who I am. My name is Dr. Ellie Staples and I am a psychiatrist. My work concerns a particular type of delusion of grandeur. It's a growing field. I specialize in those individuals who believe that they are podcasts!

[00:00:42] That's what you wanted to do? I did. First name, Mr. Last Name Podcast! I would do the first name. Oh no, that's what I would do. You would do the thing I just said?

[00:00:53] Right, I was thinking like would I do first name pod but no, you want to do first name, Mr. Last Name Podcast? Yeah, Mr. is. Mr. Podcast, they called me Mr. Podcast. I remember the kids. Remember the kids, David?

[00:01:02] Let me put on my MP type in, my jeweled MP type in. David, I have one question for you. Do you remember the kids? They called him Mr. Glass. Because of the kids, David. I always knew because of the kids. They called me Mr. Glass!

[00:01:16] That is one of my favorite ending analogs on television. I think it's great. I used to know that thing by heart. Unbreakable. Unbreakable! Ben is already angry? He was angry last night when we made him see Glass! I wasn't mad, but I'm not as jazzed as YouTube.

[00:01:37] You're not as glassed as us. And where you saw it in the good state of New Jersey? I didn't make it to Jersey actually. Oh really? I want to read some of your texts. What? You were doing bits about how movie theaters work in New Jersey.

[00:01:49] Oh yeah, my local theater. Right, they give out laser pointers when you buy a ticket so that they encourage disruption of the movie theaters. The entire theater fell off of a truck. The projectionist is a sandwich. These are all true facts!

[00:02:06] Just reading out the text thread from the other day. Didn't make it to Jersey, I saw it at Williamsburg Cinemates. A truly bad theater. I hate it. And I don't know, my initial take... How was your crowd? Pretty... was it full? No, no it was half full.

[00:02:26] That theater... have you even done that theater? I have. It is like the last theater that was built in this city before the sort of like... theaters should be kind of fancy wave hit. Yes, the very last one.

[00:02:37] I saw Bumblebee there and literally the entire movie was like masked wrong and like Halle Steinfield's forehead was cropped off. It was so bad. Well and to your point, like every other theater that opened around that time in the pre-fancy era was owned by a major chain.

[00:02:52] Those chains are now one by one. So Williamsburg's like this low and orphan that's like, we're just like never gonna be good, right? And we just like... we don't have the artie movies, we just have like glass. Come see glass? Come see glass. I did.

[00:03:05] Yeah, I saw Draft Day at that theater. Hey! Starting you! Hey, starting me! Do you remember something crazy that I just want to bring up now because it's even crazier with hindsight? I have very low billing in that movie. Sure.

[00:03:19] I remember I stayed behind to take a picture of your title card. Yes. I think do you have a split card with Josh Pence? I believe I have a split card with two other people. It might be me and Pence and someone else.

[00:03:29] But I was number five on the call sheet for that movie, ahead of Chadwick Boseman. Bragg! I mean, I'm just saying, I want to just point that out because it is truly the last time that will ever happen. You think you're not going to outdo Chad Boseman again?

[00:03:49] On Black Panther 2. This is the podcast where I'm going to break the exclusive that I'm in preliminary talks for Black Panther 2. Very preliminary. Deeply preliminary. Deeply preliminary in the sense that I've been sending them some texts. Was it 2013 or 2014 that Draft Day?

[00:04:05] I think it was 2014 because we shot it in 2013. I'm just going through my picks. It's been a shelf for a little while, because they tried to team it up with the actual Draft Day. Right? So, we're going to come out near Draft Day. Maybe once Draft Day happened.

[00:04:18] This course is a podcast about Draft Day. This is our 200th episode of Blank Check. And we're finally doing it. We're talking about Draft Day. It's drafting the draft. We should talk about draft day. It came out in April. I think that's when the NFL draft is. Yeah.

[00:04:30] I just remember a big thing they explained was like, this is the year that Kevin comes back. And January is Jack Ryan Shido recruit. And then February was that... What was the McJean movie where it was sort of his taken? Yeah, the assassin movie.

[00:04:44] And then they were like, and then Draft Day at that point, it's a victory lap. It's a home run. America is all in on Kevin again. Who was saying this? Everybody. Everybody? Are you sure it was everybody? This is something with the marketing departments

[00:04:56] and the producers were saying they were like, we're going to come out last and everyone's going to be so back on Kevin. Because it was the year after Hatfields and McCoy's, which then weirdly got like the highest ratings in the history of television. And everyone was like,

[00:05:09] let's put it back in movies again. You have a three way split card with Pence and David Ramsey. Of course the great David Ramsey who's on Arrow and he plays one of the guys in the office, in the front office. It's him, it's Wade Williams and Tim Simon.

[00:05:24] He's the Alfred of Arrow now. Right. Riggle? I want to say plays the role of Riggle. Riggle. I was close. Yeah, he's fun on Arrow. He plays Rob Riggle on Arrow? Yeah, he's Rob Riggle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the Marines and did a season on SNL.

[00:05:40] Yes. And I'm trying to do Rob Riggle's life. That's a weird one. Riggle? One season of SNL. One season of SNL. Then he was on The Daily Show and that was when it sort of like, you know. Yeah. In my opinion,

[00:05:53] because this was something I was talking about with Friends recently, the hangover hit comedy, 10 years old at this point. Yeah. Very weird that that movie is 10 years old. No, no, no famous line from it. You know what I mean?

[00:06:07] Like not a movie with like a famous line that... That's a really interesting point. Like, you know, usually the big hit comedies, you know, these lines that sort of just get like written to the zeitgeist. Yeah. And I think the biggest line in the hangover

[00:06:19] that lasted the longest was Rob Riggle saying, In the face! In the face! Yeah, probably. Right? Like what's another line from the hangover? Because I feel like when people do hangover stuff, it's just like the references, the Galifianakis visual. It's something with the baby or the sunglasses

[00:06:36] or being pantsless, you know? Yeah. When people do hangover parodies, they're visual parodies. Yeah. Yeah? Right? That's very interesting. Yeah, does like Mike Tyson have a line? Mike Tyson. Yeah. Isn't there a thing about a tiger? Is it tiger? But like it's not like anyone's like,

[00:06:54] look at that tiger and everyone was like saying that all year. Like my wife! No. I was going to quote one of the many homophobic lines in that movie, but I literally don't want to repeat the words. Good, don't. Yeah, and I think also there's a nature,

[00:07:07] by the nature of the film that, at the end of the day really that movie is a mystery. It's kind of a comedy, but it's not a comedy. They're unraveling a great mystery. So I feel like a lot of the lines are just them explaining the joke.

[00:07:19] You know what I'm saying? Like the big lines in that movie are like, I'm missing a tooth? Right. Where does tiger come from? Like the lines aren't as interesting. I'm laughing already! The audience is laughing because of what it portends, not because of the line itself.

[00:07:32] Does Galifianakis even have a killer line? He has some good ones, but a lot... Some weird like non sequiturs or whatever? And is this the real Caesar's Palace? Uh, yeah. That's kind of a funny line. We got blacked out last night, I mean African-American doubt,

[00:07:44] but a lot of them are also like repurposing... Yeah, that's junky. Repurposings of Galifianakis stand-up jokes. Right, right, right. That's the way he re-uses, I remember people being like... He's just doing his purple onion set. I was such a big fan of his stand-up.

[00:07:56] I still am, but at that time I was so huge on him. And people... I was over... I was on vacation, I was overseas, I wasn't on vacation. I was doing a very serious acting program overseas when that movie came out.

[00:08:07] And so I didn't see it until like a month later and people were like this... I don't even know how to pronounce his last name, but he's so great! Sure. You're not gonna believe this performance. I was like, I've been on this guy's chain for 10 years.

[00:08:17] I can't wait to see it. And I saw it and I was like, he's doing a lot of his like bits from like... Purple onion. Right. Not with the purple onion, that was like his kind. I'm telling you my favorite joke from that. Sure.

[00:08:26] I love how he just like kind of takes a pause. Kukowski was right! And then he slams his hands down on the piano. I love that joke. That's a real Ben joke. Right. There's stuff like that that's funny, but there's not like a clear...

[00:08:39] Like, because you even go like... The things that end up being quoted relentlessly, we're gonna do 15 minutes on Hangover, right? The things that ended up... How did I start this? You started this. I know, I don't even remember what it was. It's too hondo, baby!

[00:08:53] The Wolfpack is back? The Wolfpack is back. You know my hottest take, which is that I think 3 is the best one. Yeah. Because I think the 3 is the only one that's about how they're all terrible people. Right, I never saw 3. I heard that was it.

[00:09:05] It's almost like 3 is like them all being like, man, fuck this movie! Like right, yeah. One could say that 3 is like the glass of the trilogy where they're like not giving the audience what they want and they're like deconstructing the entire... Is that really what it's like?

[00:09:20] I kinda like that. What? You could... Maybe, I don't know, come up with like an origin story? Mmm. Because I've got one for you, it's called The Buzz, baby! The Buzz! Buzz Buzz! They're in high school. One of them gets locked in the janitor closet.

[00:09:37] It's the night before prom. They get drunk or something. No, here was something a fan asked on Reddit. No, they get tipsy. They don't get really drunk. They get buzzed. Now, a fan asked this on Reddit. Why isn't it called The Buzz?

[00:09:48] It is! That's what he just said! So no more ED? No, I said buzzed. Oh really? Okay, sorry. Because Hangover is actually present tense! Don't talk to me about grammar. I agree with you. Thank you. I just wanted you to get that on the record.

[00:09:59] No, because I think Ben's point is right. It's a prequel. It's not about the morning after. It's about the night before when they're getting a little buzzed. Sure. Who's Young Coops? Oh, I don't... I'm casting. I gotta keep that secret. Okay, right, right. He's in deep talks. Yeah.

[00:10:13] Okay, he's always opening IMDb right now. Yeah. You just put Young Bradley Cooper into the search bar. Wait a second, he's pitching the three of us to Warner Brothers? Ben! I'm like David Sims' bracket with like 13 in Roman numerals. I am on IMDb. Really for what? For...

[00:10:34] As myself? I'm in some Gethard episodes and that counts. I think that's it. I think it's the spirit of Gethard the Holiday Special, which was reported of us doing the podcast. Correct. I am literally the 13th. I remember correctly. Wow. Yep.

[00:10:48] What better way to ring in our 200th episode than really testing our audience like that? You know what I'm saying? The people have really been with us, right or die, true blue. For anyone who's just tuning into this podcast because they wanted to hear people talk glass,

[00:11:01] we're going to talk glass. We're going to dig. Here's the background on Blank Check with Griffin and David. Yeah. Our first ever miniseries on the director was on M. Night Shyamalan. Right. We did a full year on Star Wars, which ended up sort of becoming about George Lucas.

[00:11:16] And we realized how fast and we were the arc of this guy getting swallowed by his own mammoth success. Right. And then we were like, what if that's the thing? Right. What if that's the premise of our pod? Right. Pod premise.

[00:11:28] It's whether or not getting that sort of artistic freedom after massive success helps or hurts a career. Yeah. And I feel like now we air more towards the positive. Yeah. But when we came with this idea, we went with the guy to clearly talk about is M. Night.

[00:11:41] M. Night was the initial pitch. Right. Rose so high fell so far. I can still see you in my mind's eye sitting on that couch in the UCB lobby and being like, here's my idea. It's M. Night. M. Night. There was an idea. One might say.

[00:11:57] There was an idea. M. Night. And then we immediately followed that up with like, we want to do the witch house. Right. That was my counter pitch. I was like, great. And then the witch house because their movies keep bombing and we like them all. Right.

[00:12:06] We're like, right. But the M. Night thing was so odd because at that point we sort of were like put a fork in and he's done. We had both not seen the visit. That's right.

[00:12:13] We had heard from people it was good, but we're just like, what are the odds that's actually like that? That is no way. Right. But then the mini series ended on a triumph.

[00:12:22] A year later, we came back and he had split and suddenly fucking verified fresh on rotten tomatoes. Yeah. Four quadrant hits. Well, and then, but beyond that, he had used split to literally cash like long ago, like check to complete, like, you know, to start up a trilogy.

[00:12:43] He'd always wanted to make. Right. He'd made this like stealth sequel to Unbreakable that he funded himself. Yes. And all three of these he funded himself. I thought this one he did with studio funding at a low Blumhouse level.

[00:12:57] He keeps on taking out loans or mortgaging his property in the suburbs of Philadelphia in order to make these movies. This was 20 million of his own money after the visit. The visit was like 1.5 and split was like nine. That sounds right.

[00:13:12] He keeps on multiplying it, but he's still only putting his own money into it because he said the thing I needed was to be scared again about making movies. I need to feel a risk. Five million for the visit. Nine million for split. Okay.

[00:13:25] So he's almost doubling every time with this. He's like, look, you saw how split did and this is a sequel to that. I've got these big actors, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure it's not hard for him to get the loan, right? But well, anything is hard.

[00:13:37] But he's taking it against his property, which I love. He is putting his dick on the line. I also think he wants... His dick on the line. Yeah. Sure. I don't think he wants final cut, I'm assuming. You know, he wants total control. Sure.

[00:13:48] And this movie say if you took this script to a studio, they might have some notes. This is a movie that would get noted to death where they'd go, Yeah. This is not what any audience wants to see. A puddle? Are we sure we're gonna...

[00:14:01] You do a puddle? I love the audacity of this movie. Spoiler alerts for glass. Here's a glass, your piece. We love it. Ben likes it. Okay. You don't hate it as much as... Ben's not been into it. Some people are vicious. Some people are ripping their...

[00:14:14] So we've seen that. No, I'm gonna talk glass. This is a pot and ice chamber cast. I'll say this. I like the idea of it. I think it's like... It's a valid piece of media to make. If someone explained to you what he did with this movie,

[00:14:28] you'd be like, that's cool. And watching it, you didn't enjoy yourself. Sure. Sure. It feels academic almost in a way. Very academic. I mean, I said this movie is just M Night giving you 45 minutes of the sequel you want and then the movie grinds to a halt

[00:14:42] and it becomes a series of dissertations. Yeah. On everything. Which people didn't like. Critics were unhappy about it. Weirdly. But I think as opposed to Lady in the Water, which I defend, but I defend kind of as just this ambitious gopher broke swing.

[00:14:57] Not a movie that I think fully works. No. This thing is very focused on sort of what he's talking about is keyed into the material and his career. I've heard in this movie so much more compelling like just minute to minute. I agree with you.

[00:15:11] Than Lady in the Water. The problem with Lady in the Water is that when that stops, it's for like the Chinese teenager to be like, yeah, my grandma said that like the myth was that there's like a blah and then, you know, where's this when it stops?

[00:15:24] It's like, let's talk about superheroes and super villains. Like it's a little less like a ridiculous thing the universe is talking about. And Lady in the Water is like, I want to make a movie about the very nature of storytelling,

[00:15:34] but he doesn't really know what he has to say about it other than like, I think I write the best stories of anybody. This movie, he's like really wrestling with things. Yeah. I mean, this movie is also very in lockstep with culture.

[00:15:48] I mean, when we walked out of the movie and then like the day afterwards we were recording, you were like, I should write my review. I don't even know what to say about this fucking movie. And I said, look, here are my couple of quick thoughts,

[00:15:57] which give me some credit. Totally. The Batman Returns connection you stole from me. I just lifted right off of you. I told you in advance. You said I'm going to use your take. And I said, thank you. Yeah.

[00:16:06] And then the other one I said is I think he's executing his incredible tip. I think this is more cohesive argument for what Incredibles 2 is trying to reckon with, which is why are we so obsessed with this as a culture and is this helping us or hurting us?

[00:16:21] Our investment in these superhero narratives. And the thing that Amonites really tying this back to is just like, you know, people go like, well, it's our modern mythology. It's the same as the Greek gods. But he's going like, why throughout history have we felt

[00:16:33] the need to engage in these stories of miraculous sort of powers outside of our understanding and people who can take care of us, greater evils, greater goods? And why do we need those things in our everyday life? Is that helping us or hurting us?

[00:16:48] But also why in the first place are we drawn to these things? That was your pitch. Which is a lot of movie to bite off. Sure. A lot. And this is a sequel to two different movies. Sequel to two different movies, but also two movies that

[00:17:01] I mean, especially like Split and then also the visit, you know, like that are short, kind of robust, you know, pretty lean thrillers. This is like a two hour, 10 minutes. Unbreakable is long and slow. No, unbreakable is slow, but it's not long. Really?

[00:17:16] It is an hour and 45 minutes long. Wow. And Split because unbreakable is very slow. It's very stately. But that's it's very stately. But you know, not a lot happens in unbreakable. No, there are like that many scenes. Right. There's only like one fight. Right.

[00:17:29] You know, like it's not, you know, it never like builds to anything insane. I'll say this. And Split is, Split is closer to two hours. It was obviously one of our earliest episodes. The unbreakable episode is one of the great regrets

[00:17:38] I have at this time because I didn't stand up for it more. Yeah, you coward. You and Patches were dunking on it and it's like one of my favorite movies ever. Patches was really dunking on it and you followed the dunking a little bit being like, yeah,

[00:17:48] it's pretty sad sack. I find, I still find that movie to be, I like it, but I find it to be so insanely like muted. But yeah, Right. And that's what Patches was doubling down on that. And I like love it.

[00:17:59] I for the first time was like maybe this isn't 100% perfect and I coward a little bit. Coward. But it still probably is one of my like 25 favorite movies ever. You love that movie? Yeah. It was in my 10 forever. Remember when he falls down on the stairs

[00:18:12] and the little thing breaks? There's so much stuff in that movie. I like unbreakable. I mean, when I was watching Glass and there are those, you know, scenes he's using from unbreakable, I'm just sort of like, man, remember when movies could do this? Like, yeah.

[00:18:23] Even just like Disney made that movie. That movie looks so intense when they cut in the deleted, do you know this Ben? When they do the flashbacks in this to unbreakable, they're literally deleted scenes from unbreakable that he's now reusing for the first time 19 years later.

[00:18:38] I kind of thought that. That's cool. Yeah. I love that. I love that he was able to carry over the archive of that. I mean, that's the biggest thing here. Look, there's no sort of greater encapsulation than of everything this podcast is about than this movie. Yes.

[00:18:53] Not just because he's the first director he covered, not because he's the first guy that we had to follow up with. Not because this is the tour of this episode. But when we were looking at him, we were like, should we do something special for 200?

[00:19:02] Then we realized this was going to time out. We said there's no better way to ring it in. Right. And our friend, a race and Tory, a friend of the show, pass for your guest. He was saying, I was arguing with him

[00:19:16] about Split and I had all my criticisms of Split. And he said, but just the audacity of the fucking thing that everyone counted him out. That's what I love about Ray is he's such a cheerleader for movies he loves. He's such a good cheerleader. Right.

[00:19:31] Everyone counted this guy out. He was done. He was cooked. And he sneaked his way back in, not just to becoming a relevant commercial filmmaker. But to making his weird ass shit. Yeah, I know for sure. The fact that he pulls it off the audacity

[00:19:44] of him being like, and it's also a secret on Breakable. But the visit does feel a little more like him being like, let me make a movie I can tell people like right now. You know what I mean? I like the visit. Right.

[00:19:54] But the visit is more, I'm going to make you a really I like the visit a lot more than Split. well-made thriller. I like the visit a lot more than Split. I will say during this movie, I went, I think this is probably my third favorite Shyamalan.

[00:20:02] I think it's probably Unbreakable, Sixth Sense and then this. It is my, I already did the update of the list. Fourth favorite Shyamalan. You put Village ahead. Village is my number one. Right, so you have Village. Unbreak Sixth Sense. Sixth Sense. And then this. Split. Visit. Science.

[00:20:22] But if you're a guy who spent as much time thinking about this guy as we have, this movie is just such a meal. You know? I fully agree. Like he's laying it all on the line. It is so weird.

[00:20:35] It's a story that I think he may have just made this for blank checklist service. It kind of feels like it. I think he did. I think he did. It's a story that feels like it's the stuff that they would just mention, like off-screen what happened. Correct.

[00:20:48] That's the whole movie. Right. It's like the Rosencrantz Guildenstern of movies. I've tried to explain this movie a lot to people since I've seen it and they want to hear my opinions and they think I'm making shit off when I describe to them

[00:21:01] without spoilers, like what the structure of the movie is. And I was like 45 minutes. He gives you like exactly what you think a sequel to Split would be. 100%. And he wanted a sequel to Unbreakable. Right. Exactly. I was like this is good. It's a little generic.

[00:21:15] Basically Unbreakable versus Split is the first 45 minutes where you're like okay here we go. Sure. Sure. You're like this is the obvious sort of fan service he pay off. It's well done. I like my M9 a little more audacious than this, but if

[00:21:25] this is what he's going for, I'm on board. Let him take his victory lap. Right. The first 45 minutes. And then he spikes the football into the toilet. And then just poops all over it. Yeah. And then you and I are like, but don't you see? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:39] And then the thing about there are limited editions and origin stories. I mean, I love this. People may or may not know that superheroes are characters in comic books. And some people are like we know this. Why are you telling us this? You seem insane.

[00:21:54] Do you know anything about comics? Oh yeah. And I'm like, she's talking. Oh yeah. Well, have you ever heard about a secret society? Okay. Look, I okay. We're going to get to that. Give me your, no, no. Hold your hands out. Hold them out. Okay.

[00:22:08] I'm going to get my address. Okay. I don't see any clovers. All right. Three leaf clovers. They're three leaf clovers because they're not special. That's why they have the three leaf clovers. So I'm going to ask you on Twitter. Fucking genius. I'm going to find it.

[00:22:19] Number one best film in 2019 with a bullet. Best tweet of 2019 is the tweet that pointed that out to us. You know this feeling though when you see a film this early in the year that you like this much and you're like, this isn't even a default number one.

[00:22:29] This is like my number one and something has to step up and knock it down. I'm not saying. I'm not there with you. But I've seen some good movies. Like last year like Pattinson too early in the year. I was like, this is a legitimate number one. Right.

[00:22:42] So yeah, it's not like a placeholder number one. It's like, I'm going to see more movies this year and we'll see. We'll see. This is a movie I like a lot. It's not like my baby's daddy being number one by default because it comes out January 10th.

[00:22:55] Escape room. I'm calling my shot already and it's Beach Bum. Beach Bum is going to be. I mean there's no way you will like a movie more of this millennia than Beach Bum. King Guthrum called Jesse of the Wild on Twitter.

[00:23:07] He's the one who pointed out the Clover thing. Shout out to you, sir. Literal shout out. You know, because I've seen like High Life. You know, I've seen some some movies. Oh, oh, we're sure. Her Smell. Yes. Her Smell, which we both like a lot.

[00:23:18] That's up there for me. We buy us. We buy us. But it's a very good film. I like the Michael E. movie Peterloo. Well, you've seen more stuff in a past. No, I'm just saying, but I do like Gloss. Yes. Gloss. Gloss.

[00:23:31] So I mean, you know, context, listen to our previous 12 episodes about M.T. Shyamalan. Especially listen to our split episode, obviously, because we're sort of getting into the trickiest pulled there. Yeah. You know, it's a weird phenomenon I'm noticing now in a lot of these

[00:23:47] like the pre-glass pieces where people are trying to talk about like a look back at Unbreakable and everyone keeps on referring to it as his second film. Like what a risky second film that even all these years later, people still think Six Senses is the first one.

[00:24:00] And I feel like the exact same thing is happening with Krasinski now. Okay. Krasinski's a weirdly similar arc where it's like he made two sort of like human like sort of adult dramedy movies. And then Quiet Place is so big that everyone's like, oh, his debut

[00:24:16] film, it's very impressive. And then I think he's just going to do elevated genre stuff for the rest of his career. Like I don't think he's going to make the hollers again. I hope he does. Yeah. That's the thing about Krasinski that feels to me a slightly

[00:24:27] craven sometimes is where he was like, oh, you know, you don't want that kind of a movie? How about this kind of a movie? Yeah. But is that not the same thing that happened with Shyamalan? I mean, I think I mean, Shyamalan never tried to make a holler's.

[00:24:38] You know, like a, Is wide awake that different from the holler? I suppose so. If you're going all the way back then. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But wide awake is weirdly personal. I greatly prefer wide awake. I'm just saying. Why do hollers was personal?

[00:24:53] Shouldn't shit on Krasinski. I don't know. I just feel like those... Maybe he knew a holler. What's it about? I feel like praying with anger and the hollers and wide awake and brief interviews with hideous men are in a similar kind of stew.

[00:25:09] I get you, I get you. And then like Shyamalan himself cravenly was like fucking frustrated with Miramax can't make it in Hollywood. I'm going to make something they can't not buy. Yeah. I'm going to make a thriller with a perfect twist. It was the same thing as like

[00:25:22] Quiet Place. Like just make a down the middle movie that people cannot argue with. Cool. And then they both became elevated genre. Because the second people like a horror movie, they have to pretend it's not a horror movie. At least Shyamalan doesn't go around saying he's making an

[00:25:35] elevated thriller or whatever does he? No, but I think... He made an elevator thriller called Devil. I can't remember who directed that. But he produced it. I can't either. That was part of The Night Chronicles. Of course. We all remember. The Night Chronicles, a long running, indefinite series

[00:25:52] of films branded by I'm Not Shyamalan but not made by him. John Eric Dowdle. Okay. You know what I want to say about Devil? What? Logan Marshall Green, isn't it? What a cool fucking handsome actor. Have you seen Upgrade? I need to see it. You gotta see Upgrade.

[00:26:08] It's good Venom, right? Exactly. Have you seen this movie yet then? No, I know I need to see it. You... Ron, do not walk to your video on demand service or whatever. Yeah. It barely got like a run. It got dumped. Yeah, it got dumped.

[00:26:23] Like I see this movie. And it's directed by Lee Wainel, right? Yeah, who's James Wan's partner in the early days with all the horror movies and everything. You're going to love this movie so much I think you might like throw a clot. Like I'm worried about you.

[00:26:35] You know what I mean? I genuinely... It's on my list of things I need to see before the blankies because I'm like that might be my best actor list. Definitely. Just from the trailer alone what people have told me. And also it's like 90 minutes, you know, like or

[00:26:47] whatever. You know, you'll blast through it. No, but I think that's the key to Shyamalan is like when he went astray it was when he was like, elevated thriller. And when people were like, the happening's bad and he's like, you don't get it.

[00:26:58] It's like a commentary on the movie. That was his... Right. And you know that felt like George Lucas being like, these movies are for kids. Like shut up. Right. Which I hate when people put the qualifiers on it where it's like you're watching this wrong.

[00:27:11] If you think it isn't good your brain is broken. Right. And meanwhile like do you know that lady in the water, the village and maybe I want to say the happening as well all ended up on the caes in the early days. And I'm like, I'm like,

[00:27:23] all ended up on the caes to cinema top 10 list. That's so. Village and and leading the water I'm 100% we're on there. And they don't include a lot of American films. Yeah, but it's always like they always include something like that. So he would always in interviews

[00:27:38] be like in Europe they understand me. Americans have just become so demanding. But he's done this press in the last year after being this guy who started out this reputation of his hubris destroying him. Right. His inflated sense of himself the last year to post split pre glass.

[00:27:55] He's been doing all these interviews where he like is like I'm not a blank check. I like some of those people like Cameron and Lucas and Spielberg when you give them more they know how to run with it. And I think I'm better working

[00:28:07] on a smaller scrap your level. I put my own money on the line because I want to be scared about my own movies again. I really had to bet on myself. He was on the Norma Don't talk show. It's an episode that's fucking incredible. I need 30 minutes.

[00:28:18] He talks about how he figured out everything that he had done wrong in his career and how to rebuild it. And he was like I need to be scared again. He had this amazing line that I feel like is a thing we talk about a lot where he's

[00:28:28] like with filmmaking directors usually have this period where they're really on a roll whether it happens early or late or in the middle of their career. There's a pocket where they just start really clicking and have a couple films that really connect in secession. Right.

[00:28:42] And he was like I think there's this thing where it's like your instincts and your understanding of technical craft. They coincide at some moment. And then you get to a point where you've had enough success that you're not following your instincts, you're following

[00:28:57] the patterns of what you think have worked for you before and you're using your mastery of the craft to guarantee that you're not making missteps because you go I so thoroughly know how to make a movie at this point. I can't be doing this wrong.

[00:29:10] I'm not a rookie. And he was like I got into that pocket where I was making movies that people didn't like. Yes. And I wouldn't accept that they weren't working because I knew I knew how to make a movie. This is his last airbender right problem or whatever.

[00:29:25] Right. So he was like, you know, I got to get scrappy. I got to drop all pretensions. I want to scare people. Yeah. I want a movie that makes the audience feel something on a visceral level. Sure. And the other thing he said was I had kids.

[00:29:38] I was a young dad. I was a young filmmaker. My movies got less and less scary. The more I had kids and I was watching kids movies and I was making stories for them. So he killed his kids. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. He literally said like my

[00:29:51] daughter is a teenager now and I want to scare the shit out. Right. Like I'm making movies. The innocence is going away and he wants to make kind of our rated type of movies. And you're like the split and visit are like movies that feel like they're like

[00:30:03] designed for high school girls to be like, do you want to see that scary movie? Split and visit. Yeah. For sure. I just want to say before you talk about one sec, you're correct. The village was number two on the Kaye's list in 2004.

[00:30:14] Lady in the water was number six. 2006 and split was. Oh, split was the third one. I knew three of them had made Kaye's. What did you want to say? So I've read some of his suppress he's done. And what do you got? He he's not funny.

[00:30:30] No, he's weird though. It's it's it's it's what I remember that time buried secret where like he was like playing pool with people stuff like he's just got kind of a weird energy. Yeah. Well, and he used to want to build this mythology around him.

[00:30:42] I mean buried secret was that the man who heard voices like he wanted to be this like this is an enigmatic supernatural enigmatic here. And I like that now he's just like I'm kind of like a basic dad from Philly. Yeah, I'm like the sheikhs

[00:30:53] are she's very into basketball tweets about that. I'm sort of a goofball. I mean, Norm MacDonald show they do a segment at the end where he has whoever his guest is read jokes. Oh, yeah. He's written Norm MacDonald jokes and he puts them on

[00:31:04] cards and they have to cold read jokes. And it's a fun test of like Norm MacDonald has got such a specific delivery handing his jokes over to people who don't have training as comedians. Right. And I just like can't do it. And he's trying. It's like really sweet

[00:31:19] and endearing. Because yeah, and I think it was I don't remember where maybe it was a New York magazine interview. Comedy came up and he was just like talking about writing comedy. I'm like, oh man, you're not a funny person. Well, and his cameo in

[00:31:35] glasses like the weirdest moment in the entire film where he's trying to make it a joke and like a victory lap for the fans. So, Ben, if in case you're not thinking about this deeply is Griffin and I, the character he plays in glass

[00:31:49] is the same character he played in Unbreakable where he's like a creepy drug dealer. Right. And Split where he's split where he's he's the pizza guy into wings and he comes in remember and he like he talks to like Sterling's brown or Betty Buckley.

[00:32:03] Okay, Brown was cut out of the movie. He talked to Betty Buckley. Yes. And I guess in that one but he's still like a little shady in that one. Yeah. And in this one he's trying to be like see like even though this movie set like three weeks

[00:32:15] after Split, like the arc is complete. Like this guy made good and the guy's all right now. Yeah. The grinds to a haul. I think I was too busy yawning. Right. And he literally says like to pick up on that. I don't know if you remember me.

[00:32:30] I used to go to the stadium a lot. Yeah. Which like I would never recognize Bruce Willis if I were his character. Well, if I knew who Bruce Willis was. Yes. If you were like man that's a Kyrtogorov looks a lot like a movie star. Bruce Willis. Yeah.

[00:32:44] You know who you look like? Bruce Willis. I will say there is a thing when they cut to the unbreakable scenes in this you're just like God is that guy handsome. Like he still looks great old but unbreakable such a specific moment where he was like I'm

[00:33:01] shaving the head. He's real bald and unbreakable. I'm owning that I'm like not you know like youthful anymore. I kind of enjoy this old Willis though with the sort of gray goatee. I love this look. I mean I love that he's grown the sides out. Grown out?

[00:33:15] You know because it's like the thing like guys like this it's like the sides it's even if they're stubble you're seeing too much. I want to make it look like my choice as opposed to balding as much as possible and this is like full grown out white sides.

[00:33:30] He's weird scruff beard goatee. I know what his head looks like but his skull. Yeah. So well. He's got one of the best shape heads in human history. Right? I really enjoy looking at Bruce Willis. I do too. I guess that's the best way to put it.

[00:33:48] He was a very I think he was a very handsome guy. Yeah. Especially back in the sort of moonlighting die hard days right but yeah he's still just a very striking guy very expressive face in a weird kind of way. And Samuel L. Jackson together like okay because

[00:34:00] Samuel L. I mean his face is just this I feel no way about Samuel L. You know this but Ben how old do you think Samuel L. I'm going to ask this. How old do you think he is? I know he's in his fifties. Take a guess. Uh 57.

[00:34:13] He is 70. What? 70 years old. Oh my God. The man is 70 and I was thinking about this. Holy shit. You said you knew he's in his fifties. That's how old he was in on breakable. Right, right, right. Oh my God. That's crazy. Breakable he's 51. I was talking to the

[00:34:30] friend of the show Rob Shear. Yes. And he was it wrong or I can't remember if it was Joey. This might be Joey Sims. My brother it's one of the two. Talk to them both very very there's someone you grew up with or a friend. Someone I know.

[00:34:44] But they said that you know they saw I think it was I can't remember it was yeah it was no this was Joey right he saw like Mary Poppins maybe some special screening that was Disney so he saw all three Disney trailers. Okay and Samuel Jackson is

[00:34:57] going to be in all of these movies Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel. Avengers and Spider-Man. Oh he's in all three Marvel Marvels and I'm like he's 70. Yeah and he's like playing Nick Fury in these action movies. You know Nick Fury doesn't age so much actually doesn't really age.

[00:35:16] He also like sat out 10 Marvel movies in a row. Yeah he's been taking it easy yeah right and I think because he doesn't age people aren't giving the de-aging in Captain Marvel enough credit. Right right right right because it is also such a weird thing where it's

[00:35:31] like he was such a big movie star in the 90s. Right. That the fact that they're nailing 90s Sam Jack. They're nailing 90s Sam Jack they're nailing like you know rules of engagement Samuel Jackson earlier earlier like the negotiator. Yeah yeah I love the negotiator.

[00:35:45] This fucking guy I mean that's the thing like like someone was tweeting about I love tweeting about ages not matching up especially with mothers in Hollywood where like the second actress is 31 she becomes the mother of a 27 year old you know but they were pointing out that Charlene

[00:35:59] Howard who plays. Charlene Woodard. Sorry Charlene Woodard who plays Mr. Mrs. Crice. Mrs. Crice it's 65 She's younger than Sam Jack but of course she was playing the mother of the child actor and in the original she is only present day in the final they age her up

[00:36:17] in that final scene they put makeup on her. But you look at this movie and you look at her and the age she's supposed to be playing you're like Sam Jack is probably supposed to be 20 years younger than his character in this movie. Yeah yeah even though

[00:36:29] there are characters Or his character's supposed to be 20 years younger than him. But even though they're aging with him, like they grade his hair from his, you know, his wig is now gray. Right, they're like maybe this guy was like 37

[00:36:40] in the first movie, he's 57 now and he's starting to go. Samuel Jackson's 70. He's 70. He's a gentleman's 70. Cause I remember Snakes on a Plane coming out, everyone being like at 60, Sam Jackson lying for his biggest hit ever. I was like 60? It's aspirational man.

[00:36:56] It's so annoying that Snakes on a Plane isn't good. It's kind of fun. Do you just remember that moment where you were like, I don't know, maybe the entire paradigm is shifting? Like I remember the Entertainment Weekly cover

[00:37:06] for Snakes on a Plane was like a low budget thriller that might change the film industry forever? Spooky and they wrote Spooky with like seven asses. You have Snakes on a Plane. Snakes, I just, you know, the story was just so good

[00:37:20] where they were like, they tried to change the title and Samuel Jackson was like, I literally only signed on because the script was called Snakes on a Plane. It's the only thing I like about this movie. They call it like Flight 427.

[00:37:31] But it's like who wants to see that? But what's so cool about him too is like his career, it's like so all over the place. He's done action movies like in the 90s, right? He was in like all these thrillers

[00:37:44] but then he's also done all the Tarantino stuff. Of course. Spike Lee, I mean this is like him. I think we've talked about this in other episodes but he was a full on drug addict. He was like a theatrically trained serious stage actor.

[00:37:58] He was a movie theater guy who did a lot of stage acting in his younger years. He had small big parts and stuff where you're like, oh he shows up and I'm gonna get you sucker. Yeah but when he's in Goodfellas or whatever, he's already in his 30s.

[00:38:07] When he's in Jungle Fever, when he starts to come around, he's in his 30s then. Right and I think he was viewed as like best case scenario this guy turns out like John Ortiz. He's like a legend of the New York stage.

[00:38:17] And he was in his 40s then, sorry. But you know what I'm saying? Like John Ortiz will show up in big movies and he's like, right. Like he's got like a good film and television career but he's not like a star, you know? And Sam Jacket was like,

[00:38:29] that's probably where he's heading. He had become a- Yeah be a character actor. Right, he had been a full crack cocaine addict for a while. Kicked it late and then sort of put that experience into Jungle Fever. Which at that point is his third Spike Lee?

[00:38:47] He's in, yeah third. Cause I think like do the right thing was one of his first- No fourth, fourth cause he's in school days. Sober kind of like now he's like full on the tracks performances. Sure. Jungle Fever they give him best supporting actor come

[00:39:00] which is an award that doesn't exist. They did, they invented an award for him. Just to recognize this performance off of that pulp fiction. And then he just becomes a legend like immediately overnight. And he is a guy where once he starts doing like the big paycheck movies

[00:39:15] Sam Jack is one of these dudes where he just never fucking phones it in. I think he can be good or great because even good Sam Jack. I never thought he was bad in the movie. No, never. No cause good Sam Jack you're like

[00:39:26] it's the thing I've seen him do a thousand times. But he's a pro. He's always engaging. You can tell he's in the pocket. He works really hard. He's been in bad movies. Certainly. I love how he weighed in recently about the,

[00:39:38] I think she's a senator calling Trump a motherfucker. And how he like cause he's like I like how he's like the ambassador of a motherfucker. Yes. He's so good at, he's been in so many good movies. I think it was a New Yorker profile of him.

[00:39:54] He's in the Star Wars movies. Do you remember that? Yeah. He's Mace Wendell. There was a New Yorker profile of him some years back where he, they talked to his agent I think. And he said, I'm constantly having to deal with phone calls

[00:40:06] with Sam where he called me from set complaining about everything. And I have to say to him, Sam you have to remember no one else is going to be as good as you are. And it's not just in terms of like talent. He's apparently one of those guys

[00:40:17] where he arrives on set and he's like word perfect, nails his blocking, never has a bad take, is like so prepared, such a pro, raps early, goes and plays golf. Like he's like really invested, really prepared. And he's like, he never fights with actors

[00:40:32] who are at his same weight class. And that like you get it like whatever fucking thing he's in whether the director's good or bad or not. He sits in his trailer. He apparently watches Kung Fu movies on a loop an anime. And then they're like, they call him,

[00:40:46] he nails it in one take. All right. You know what Sam Jack? You're going to be the star of Night Eggs. Whoa. Whoa. What? That's right. That's huge. That's humongous. Is Chris on board, whites? Oh yes. Okay. Yeah. He's producing it much like Columbus.

[00:41:00] This is a new Columbus. Yeah, right. No, but what I was going to say the wind up here is the crazy thing that he has said impressed for this movie is that this is the first time he has ever played the title character. Wow.

[00:41:11] And that's crazy for the career that we've just talked about. What about the Hitman's bodyguard? Was he not the Hitman's bodyguard? No, the bodyguard is Ryan Reynolds. He's the Hitman. Oh, he was Shaft. He was Shaft. Now, of course, there are many Shafts

[00:41:25] even within Shaft, but no, he was Shaft. Shaft is referring to the family. So he was Shaft. That is fair. That is fair. I'm going through to see if there are any others though. Because the negotiator is referring to Kevin Spacey. You could argue. Sure.

[00:41:34] I mean they're both going away. The negotiator. Yeah. That's a good movie. That's a good movie. Let's see. Jango Unchanged. He was obviously not Jango. You know Thor. No, he wasn't Thor. Interesting. OK. I guess maybe the negotiator is more him than Spacey,

[00:41:50] but it's kind of like a Black Panther title where it's like it could mean either of them. They're both the negotiator. Yeah. Spacey's so good. It's OK. Yeah, you got it. I got you. We talk about Sam Jack a little bit. Like in Sphere, you know.

[00:42:03] He's good at all these things. Now I want to talk about Bruce a little bit because I feel like you and I were particularly excited for the Bruce of this movie. Bruce Willis. And that was Joey's first question to you was, is Bruce trying? Right.

[00:42:16] That was the thing he wanted to know above all else. Because I think we're on the same page. We love Bruce and there are few actors. He's the opposite of Sam Jack. He is so often so lazy, so often does not show up to play.

[00:42:28] Here are the movies. The last Bruce movie that I think that I saw was Looper and it came out in 2012. Moonrise came out that same year. We were talking about this. We're in 2012. He did Moonrise and Looper. He hosted SNL and you were like,

[00:42:42] is Bruce going to try again? Right. It looks like Bruce is having fun again with some real directors. Here's what he's done. I'm going to read you some titles. 18 Red Box movies. I'm going to read you some titles. I'll tell you if I've seen any of these.

[00:42:51] Fire with fire. Have not seen it. A Good Day to Die Hard. A genuine sequel to the Die Hard movies. I didn't see it. Pointedly didn't see it. Was a bomb. Stars him and Mr. Potato Head. Try Courtney. Old Sacra Potatoes himself. G.I. Joe Retaliation.

[00:43:06] Now I did not see that. Is it's a supporting role? He plays G.I. Joe. It's one of the best tea-ups where they're like, there's no one who can help us now. We're laying low. And then the rock goes, you know,

[00:43:20] there is one guy who can help us. And the generic model playing like Flint says who. And he goes, you know, there's a reason they call us Joe's. And they cut to Joe Colton. I kind of like that. He kind of rules in it.

[00:43:34] He's sort of sleepwalking through it. But it's like he shoots down a bunch of guys. And the rock goes like, how are you doing? And he goes, my cholesterol could be a little lower. Like it's that kind of like old man joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:43:47] I'm all in on it. I have an action figure of Bruce Willis from G.I. Joe. How surprising. Little Bruce. Red 2. He does not show up to play in that movie. And I think Red 1 is kind of fun. Red 2, he's not in that film.

[00:44:00] Now here's my, I forgot that I actually did see this film in a press screening. Sin City A Dame to Kill For. Another one where he like- He does not have much of a role. And he's like a ghost in that movie. Yeah, but even still it's like,

[00:44:10] I think he's pretty good in the first one. That one you're just like, fucking. The rumor now is that he works for $1 million a day. And so either his part is incredibly small or like all these red box like fire by fire movies.

[00:44:25] It's like they pay him $5 million to work one week. Right, right, right, right. There's this movie, The Prince. Which doesn't exist. Has John Cusack- And Jason Patrick. And Jason Patrick. John Cusack on that poster looks like a body snatcher. Like he looks like a pod person. I'm sorry.

[00:44:43] It is weird. I don't mean to be rude, but he used to be so handsome. What happened to him? It feels like Cusack and Cage did some swap. Like Cage is doing more legitimate movies again. And he like tricked Cusack into like take it- And it follows Syndrome.

[00:44:59] Yeah, right. He like he red boxed him. Now Cusack is stuck being poorly photoshopped on these posters. He was in a movie called Vice. No, no, not Adam McKay's hit Chaney biopic. He actually, I mean he could be a good Chaney in an alternate universe.

[00:45:13] He was in Rock the Casper. I didn't see it. I didn't either. He was in something called Extraction. Not a movie. He was in something called Precious Cargo. It doesn't exist. These titles are just so funny. He's all true.

[00:45:25] You're always looking up in his like Mark Paul Gosselar, Thomas Jane, like his co-stars. Always something you're like, oh okay, Kellan Lutz. Right. He was in something with the co-star this time was Christopher Maloney and it's called Marauders. No, he wasn't. That movie doesn't exist.

[00:45:44] He was in Once Upon a Time in Venice. Yeah, that's a weird one. Which is he's got like a dog. Yeah. Him and Adam Goldberg. Good names in it. Tom Kianso. Yeah. I don't know what that is. I don't know. Something called First Kill. But. I'm not done.

[00:45:58] I'm not done. He's made so many movies. First Kill with Hayden Christensen. Acts of Violence. These titles are incredible with who's in this one? Cole Hauser. Someone should make a website that's random, Bruce Willis Red Box title generator and you could come up with all of these.

[00:46:14] Then he's in something called Reprisal with Frank Grillo who is like the king of Red Box. Right. Something called Air Strike with Adrian Brody which like what is going on? I think this is a Chinese production. Wow. Everyone look up the Air Strike poster now. Air Strike.

[00:46:36] Then he was in a film that was actually like released in theaters which is Eli Roth's Death Wish which I did not see. Which is a. Which a lot of people are like gross. He's wrong time, wrong place movie. So that and now he's in glass.

[00:46:50] So that's what Bruce has been up after that promising year where he was in these good movies making an effort. He just literally was like does it film in Bulgaria? Right. I'll be there. Does it film in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? You'll pay me in gold?

[00:47:09] Yeah. I only aluminum futures. My currency now yeah. I don't work for less than three wives. Yeah he has four islands off the coast of Dubai now. Yeah right. He's in Motherless Brooklyn, Ed Norton, Jonathan Leibtiger. I hope he's good at that. I hope that's good.

[00:47:32] This is the legend about him at least these days. Okay? Cause I was flipping through the channels and some of the jackal came on and it was like this is like he's still like trying in these days. That's been on stars recently. Yeah it was on maybe action.

[00:47:45] Stars action. Yeah. Stars, Max. The legend about sort of I would say like post 2004 Willis is that he tests his directors in a way that sort of sounds like late period brando. Where he on the first day is like

[00:48:03] and what kind of lens are you gonna use for this and how many setups? And if they don't have a clear answer and don't know what they're talking about he decides he's going to be a fucking asshole to them. Kevin Smith tells all these stories

[00:48:13] about what a nightmare he was. Kevin Smith also famously not a very sophisticated film. If you're asking about lenses Kevin Smith's probably like whatever the DP says right? Like yeah yeah. Right. And so it makes sense when you look at the one commonality is he is good

[00:48:27] every time he worked with a real director. A proper director pretty much every time. But unfortunately he doesn't seem to care that much about doing good movies. When they come to him he'll take them. Yeah. And he's happy to just work on these bullshit things

[00:48:40] in Bulgaria for two hours and get creative. Right, that are directed by like creative players from like various EA games that somehow came to life. Yeah I'm just looking. Airstrike was directed by a me and Nintendo me. Oh my God. I think.

[00:49:01] Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. That's what it was it said to Bruce. There was a point like maybe six or seven years ago where Sharmalan was shopping around a new movie that was like a spiritual drama starring Bruce. And I was like.

[00:49:11] Where they like he like walks across the earth or something. Right. And I was like they gotta work together again. Like I don't care what this pitches. They both of them need to be working with each other again.

[00:49:20] And then when he shows up at the end of split I was like this is great. Unbreakable. Labor of love was the name of that movie. Right. But more than anything I was like I wanna see Bruce work with one of his guys again.

[00:49:31] I wanna see Bruce try. And then he shows up in the trailer and the promotional materials with the sides with the beer and I was like he's owning his age. That character I think Unbreakable is his best performance ever. I think Bruce. I love a Drub Monkey.

[00:49:44] That's my favorite Bruce. He gave a lot of good performances in the 90s. But I think the key to Bruce is that there was always this underlying sadness to him. Which 12 monkeys taps into. Totally 100%. Pulp Fiction. Unbreakable. There's a melancholy quality to him.

[00:49:58] Certainly the first die hard and they get further and further away from it as it goes on. And I feel like Shyamalan got the inherent sadness of Bruce better than most directors. Right. So I was just like so in it and then the big

[00:50:11] maybe the biggest twist of this movie is that like Bruce Willis is like the fifth biggest character. Yeah. So like for biggest character in this movie who we haven't talked about much yet. James McAvoy. Right. And then number two I guess it's Sam Jack

[00:50:28] even though he's not in the first junk. I say it's like maybe Sarah Paulson. Maybe Sarah Paulson. Sam Jack Tide. Yeah. And then you know I think Bruce is four. Like four. Because I don't think Anya Taylor Joy or like Spencer Treat.

[00:50:41] No I'd say they're sort of tied right after that. That's what your Clark is in a lot of this which I was very pleasantly surprised by. Yes he is. Yes. He's good. He's fine. He's good. Looks like he did when he was a kid. Yes. Weird.

[00:50:54] Very wanted eyes. You turned to me and said pretty hot. Yeah. He was on Shield, Agnes the Shield. Oh OK. Which I like will watch over Joy and his shoulders sometimes. Yeah. And I remember I was like oh look it's what's his pants from Gladiator and Unbreakable?

[00:51:05] He had that huge 2000. It was Gladiator and Unbreakable in the same year. But yes I mean I think we were surprised as Billing Freaks by the Billing when this movie came out. You're like McAvoy gets first I guess because it's the sequel to Split

[00:51:17] but also like Bruce and Sam Jack are such bigger stars. Sam Jack is makes total sense as the and in this movie which he is in the end credits. It's and Samuel L. Jackson as Mr. Glass which few things get me harder than an and as.

[00:51:31] As the title character. Oh so good. It's so cool. Ben can you turn the heat down in here? I'm getting a little worked up. Oh Ben just rolled his eyes at me. But Sam Jack is literally Kometos for much of this movie. Sure. And Bruce kind of.

[00:51:46] But he's not really. Right. He's playing you. Bruce is kind of like Kometos plot wise. Like the movie in order to work needs to put him on the bench for a while just being like I don't know. Yeah it's true. That's true.

[00:51:58] I think everything he does is really good. You can tell he's trying. It's not maybe the Bruce showcase we were all hoping it would be. That's fair but it is a fairly Shyamalan Bruce performance. 100%. You know his sixth sense in Unbreakable Performances are also very muted.

[00:52:12] And he's quiet. He's in it. He's totally in it. I agree. Yeah. So let's talk about the star of this movie. The cold open is we go straight into Splitland right? Doesn't it start with the cheerleaders? We've seen this now two weeks ago. Ben you saw this yesterday.

[00:52:28] It starts with it cutting between that the horde has kidnapped new girls. Right. You get a lot of news coverage. Yeah and you know that David Dunn is like patrolling around looking for them. Like because there's that thing that isn't the first scene that like.

[00:52:46] I feel like it starts with the cheerleaders. Yeah but what about the scene where David Dunn beats up the I think that's the second scene. I think that's the second scene. Because you're salt-banging and you know they're beating someone up. This is what you're talking about.

[00:52:57] The movie's going back and forth between Split and Unbreakable. Romali has not seen any Shyamalan movies. Wants to see Glass was like Why? Am I gonna get it if I haven't seen Split? And I'm like, well here's the thing. No. I think the Split stuff

[00:53:12] is pretty clearly re-explained at the beginning of this movie. She's gonna be 100% lost if she hasn't seen Unbreakable. You have to see Split because yes the basics of Split but then later in the movie people are talking to specific personalities and drawing them out

[00:53:28] and the movie is kind of like you need to know who this is and what this means. I mean there are a few movies that are this inaccessible if you haven't seen both previous films. Yeah, totally. You need to see both films.

[00:53:39] What are the personalities that are the main? It's... Hedwig, Patricia. Patricia and then the OCD guy. Yes. The OCD guy was really big in Split. And I feel like... Is it Barry? Is that him? No. Is it Barry? Yeah. And then there's... Who's the little kid? Dennis. Sure.

[00:54:00] I'm bad on the names. I thought Hedwig was the little boy. Am I wrong about that? All right, let's find out. Here we go. Whatever. Okay. Jade, a foul mouth teenage girl. Barry is the effeminate guy. The fashion designer. The fashion guy.

[00:54:13] He's in the fashion with the fashion guy. Patricia is... Yeah, Hedwig is the little boy. You're right. Sorry, sorry. Dennis is the OCD creep. Okay. Yeah. BT is like the surfer dude. Who can forget BT? There's a lot of new ones. Yeah, there's Samuel who speaks Spanish.

[00:54:30] I mean that's... That was the first thing... There's Mr. Pritchard who's like, hello, I missed a Pritchard. The first thing I told Ben was like, you're gonna be happy because there's a 10-minute sequence where they literally just cycle through. You're right. Right, right, right. I loved it. Yeah.

[00:54:43] They didn't go with any of the my predictions. No. And I thought there were some really good ones. I was hoping like a pirate showed up. This guy, David. Where did we ever find that? BH. BH. I drove him here this morning. Did you really?

[00:55:00] In my motor car. Yeah, because we live near each other. That's really sweet. And he gets in the car and he's like, I've been like, what are you doing? He's fucking wired. This guy, he's probably just like drank a bunch of coffee. Coffeeed his butt or something. Yeah.

[00:55:12] And he's like... Chug coffee. I made a meme this morning. I'm making a meme right now where you send someone to picture iced tea and then they got to go get a Smirnoff ice because like they've been iced. He got iced. And I'm like, what?

[00:55:27] I didn't realize he's been doing like nonstop Instagram stories on our feed. Just of who he parties with on an IT-based basis. Him and like Chingus. No, that's dope boys. Whatever your... Changston. Yeah, Changston. Like whatever your Jersey guys are there. He's hanging out with like Kavanaugh's buddies.

[00:55:44] I mean Flippy and... Okay, no. Rip sack. Let's take it easy. All right, I'm not hanging out with bad boys. No, no you have good upstanding friends like us. So yeah, the movie is starting out and it's like very much like here's what old Mr. Splits up to,

[00:56:01] still terrorizing people. Right. They're trying to find him and then I think some pretty good like, okay, here's the status quo for who I've always called security. That was what I sort of, I feel like fans have dubbed him but in this they call him the overseer.

[00:56:14] Huge mistake. I think so too. Huge error. One... I don't think it's a great name. It's not a great name. Overseers, you know, has a problematic connotation to slavery. Uh-huh. So, I mean, I'm sure this was not intended but it's got that vibe to it.

[00:56:30] There's another name they like throw out in the movie where Spencer Tree Clark is like running down all the things people... There's one that's like the green something. The green ghost or something. Yeah. I just thought security was so good because it's so

[00:56:42] great in the first one when you see... Should have been the peeper. Should have been called the peeper. Nothing problematic about that. No, certainly not. But you know, I like when I'm watching this movie. So we saw this together at a press screening. Yes.

[00:56:55] Before you went on vacation. Yes. And I'd say the screening was like 50% press, 50% general public. Yeah, they had some... There was a long line of people trying to get... Yeah, there's, you know, they always try and fill up the theater so that we have like a more

[00:57:08] active crowd. So we saw it with a mix and I feel like they started getting more and more silent as the movie went on. Now this shows like the kind of movie... 100% there was also a strange incident where someone was like kicked out of the theater for

[00:57:19] like air drumming along to the movie. Was clapping a lot, was mirroring things that James McAvoy did on screen and then like jumped over the seats and said like fuck you all. Right, yeah. You won't let me enjoy this movie. But then when we were walking...

[00:57:31] Oh yes, sorry about that. That was the best part of the movie. I feel like this is the kind of movie where certain screenings you can have the old Shaman effect where by the last 30 minutes the entire audience is laughing.

[00:57:41] It feels like a movie that is doing such weird things with such earnestness. Our audience was more just quiet, which is what I've heard from other people too is just like at the end kind of like scattered claps, confusion. Right. The last 40 minutes too you're watching it and

[00:57:55] you're like I know they're not giving me all the information. I know M. Night's doing something. Sure. If not a twist per se he's withholding a shit. And then M. Night's like sort of like here are a bunch of twists but isn't the real twist within us?

[00:58:06] Or what do you know what I mean? Right, the twist was in us all along. I would like to say at my screening it was definitely a date night. It was kind of and... Hey man it's a holiday weekend. I mean this is this movie's opening at 50 million.

[00:58:17] Yeah, yeah. Throughout this movie there was a bunch of boys explaining the other movies to girls. That's why. So guys were like you know what's a good idea for this girl who might let me kiss her? Yeah. Kiss? Yeah. Right.

[00:58:31] I'm gonna take her to a movie that's like you again you have to have seen the prior one. Right, right. The whole time I just kept hearing multiple guys saying the thing is he's many God... It was just like oh my god.

[00:58:45] But it's also like this whole thing is like this whole movie is like him deconstructing the audience's expectations for this movie. Yeah. So if you go in with no expectations you're just like why is this guy yelling at me? The other thing...

[00:58:57] I just tried to order a coffee. The other thing to your sister's... The barista's screaming at you. To your sister's question. These beans aren't locally sourced! To the East Tracist's question is... Yes. The Onion Taylor Joy character. If you watch this without having watching Split... Yeah.

[00:59:11] You might not even register that she had once been like an enemy of the whores. Yeah, then she's the final girl. Because the movie kind of shows up and she's like thanks so much for helping me through a lot of stuff

[00:59:22] when you kidnap me and eat my friends. Gotta save this guy. You ate Haley Lou Richardson's tummy! It almost... Which is no good very bad. Don't do it. Don't do it! She's a sweetheart, national treasure. I was gonna say this movie almost treats her relationship

[00:59:40] to Kevin Wendell Crumb like Emma Stone with Bradley Cooper where she's like he's broken but there's greatness somewhere in this guy. I'll get it with this guy. Yes, he's a fixer-upper certainly. So he's got an extra toe. Right. His toe is so weird.

[00:59:57] Remember Bradley Cooper was in Aloha? Remember Aloha? It's about this guy. It's about this guy. I kind of feel like we should do an Aloha screening. David's thinking. The only problem is the fucking that she's Asian in it. That just sucks. Yeah, you're right.

[01:00:12] That's the only problem with that. I'm just saying like literally with like actually recirculating that film. Did you hear that thing where Sandra Oh at the Golden Globes made her joke? Of course! Emma Stone screamed I'm sorry. Off camera, off camera.

[01:00:26] Like she apparently stood up in the theater and screamed I'm sorry. I mean at The Globes everyone's been drinking for hours before the show even starts. And so I think you know maybe she was drunk. Yeah. But I thought that was funny. I do too.

[01:00:38] I think that's cool. So this movie you're flipping back and forth between them. I like the setup they set up of just like this is how Bruce Wallace has been functioning in the 19 years in between. He's been keeping a pretty low profile,

[01:00:51] but the internet's tracking on to him more and more. He's kind of a Batman-esque myth where people are like this is like a nonsense thing. Right. This is like a Slenderman online rumor. But you also have this notion that he like never graduated past like low level vigilante.

[01:01:04] Like he mostly just kind of like cleans up the streets a little bit. And you also I feel like get the vibe that he probably wouldn't even have kept that much up if not for his son. Right. Who has become his sort of oracle figure.

[01:01:15] Audrey has died, which is a bummer. It's a bummer. My guess is Robin Wright Pan was like I'm not going to be in that movie. I think so too. And when they like start out so much with him still trying to get over the sadness of her death,

[01:01:26] I was like this is going to have some story purpose. Yeah. It's going to be something that builds into his character and it just kind of feels like Robin Wright didn't want to do the movie. Yeah. She was just like I'm making House of Cards. I'm busy.

[01:01:36] She's so good and unbreakable. And I feel like that relationship is such a big thing. And the main unbreakable theme, which they keep on reusing in this movie because it's a different person doing the score because it's not James Newton Howard.

[01:01:47] In the end credits, they keep on crediting as if they were separate songs. The times where they use James Newton Howard score. And I think pointedly the most famous track from the unbreakable score is called Carrying Audrey. Because the moment where the hero theme really

[01:02:00] kicks in is when he carries his wife up the stairs and is like I'm going to save this marriage. It's such a good fucking movie. But yes, his son's functioning as the Oracle. He runs a security company. He saved Demite Chamelon's life.

[01:02:16] So in a way Bruce Willis' daddy in this movie. Bruce Willis is his daddy in this movie. OK. Yeah. And I like their whole sort of... Can I get some daddy points? You get daddy points. Two daddy points. It's a smart...

[01:02:28] What are you going to do with them? Well, you get... For each point you get five minutes of silence. On Mike? Well, no, just I get now in the world quiet time. OK, cool. You get five big pieces of chicken. I'm sure they were dancing. Daddy thinks.

[01:02:42] I've talked about Papa executive privilege time on this podcast, right? I don't think so. I don't think so. My mother would sleep in my father would wake Jamesy and I up. This was before Romley was born. And he'd set us down at the table with like our serial

[01:02:54] and be like, OK, 20 minutes, Griff, you have to switch over to Cartoon Network DSPN. And then he would go, don't bother me. It's Papa executive privilege time. And he would go into the bathroom with a mug of coffee and six newspapers and just shit for 45 minutes.

[01:03:11] He would shit and read the newspaper with a cup of coffee. Like I'm loading it in just as it's going out for 45 minutes. And then he would come out and he'd be like, OK, time to get in the car. And it was just called Papa executive privilege time.

[01:03:25] I for one those are really daddy points. It's literally like out of Port Noir's complaint. Yes, what you just told me to it does feel like that thing like a dad would figure out where he's like, look, I'm used to shit all the time.

[01:03:39] Now I've got these kids, you know, you know, you got to figure out you got to just pick a window and they clearly made a deal. My father and mother were it's like, you're taking to school every day. I'll let you sleep in.

[01:03:49] I'll take him to school before the office. Right. But here's the one thing. I got to take a solid 45 minute shit and read all six newspapers and drink like four cups of coffee. And you and your brother would just sit quietly and like watch television.

[01:04:04] Yes, sometimes we'd yell out like he's not changing the channel. And James would be like, they're up to two on Sports Center Countdown. Right. Right. They'd be like, Griff, let him get one. You'll get to extra man's tomorrow.

[01:04:12] You know, whatever I want to watch like Angelina Kanda or like whatever was on at seven a.m. And he would just open the door and there would just be the strongest smell of coffee and shit

[01:04:25] wafting from this bathroom to give his official ruling on the TV time. This is the 200 episode content people are asking for. Papa executive privilege time. That should be a Patreon tier is Papa executive privilege time. But that's why I'm sorry, I've just been devastated.

[01:04:44] It just laid me real low. It's great. There are all these things my father did, which I didn't realize were so funny where I was like, that's a bit he's doing for himself to call it executive privilege time. It's a good bit. No, it's anti my small coffee.

[01:04:56] I think of my father's shit. Jesus. And it's not a thing I reveal a lot because it makes it weird that I drink as much coffee as I do. But that's my immediate trigger. Is that why you get raspberry coffee to sort of like cover the smell?

[01:05:08] I kind of think so. I haven't untangled it until now, but I think you're kind of right about that. That's why I get weird artificially flavored coffee. Interesting. All right. So, you know, that's what I was going to say.

[01:05:19] I think I think I like in the good Shaman, like let me explain the the rules of a real world superhero. There's a pretty smart system that he doesn't over explain in this where it's like, oh, they run a security company. They install cameras.

[01:05:32] So they have eyes everywhere. So Spencer Tree Clark can be this Oracle. The other thing is they're laying the groundwork for the final thing. Yeah, he's very into the security camera videos thing in general surveillance. He keeps on cutting in these shots of people installing them

[01:05:49] and you're like, where the fuck is this going? It's that Shyamalan thing. And I will say, like for better or worse, it was fun to be in a Shyamalan movie. And Split had a bit of this too where like, right, this was the thing with him.

[01:06:00] You'd sit forward and go like, where is this guy going? Like whether or not you'd like to movie, you knew that Shyamalan was always going to try to throw you off his scent. So you're really leaning forward trying to crack the thing. With this movie, I really was.

[01:06:14] Well, at first I was like, no, OK, I get this. Right. And then there's the big show down in a warehouse. Happens 45 minutes in the first four or five minutes, these two guys are dancing around.

[01:06:24] It does just like walks around and bumps into people to try and see if they're bad. That's the glimpses. And so and then yeah, I mean bumps into old James McAvoy. We get a couple cuts of Sam Jack, but he's he's just done.

[01:06:35] They've done experimental procedures on him. He's got scar on his head. He's dead. He's he's nonverbal. He's slumped over in a wheelchair. Yeah, yeah. And they have the showdown. I guess the only thing I thought about this showdown was this is happening

[01:06:48] really so clearly, but I've seen the trailer. So I know they're going to end up in the three of them in the chairs. Like we know that's where it's going. But this really does feel like a final battle in the vernacular.

[01:07:01] We know of how these superhero movies go. It doesn't feel like whiplash at the race tracks. It feels like the final stark expose. And of course, in the story terms, what what's happening here also is like,

[01:07:13] Jim, you know, the the Horde is so intrigued by this unbreakable man. Like, who is this finally? Another person like me. Right. You get some great like the Horde like throwing the table and Mr. Unbreakable catching it. Yeah. Can I just call Mr. Unbreakable from here on out?

[01:07:28] That's fine. Can you also can you please get me a ball of water? Yeah, I love you. So then they're fighting, they're fighting, they get knocked out the window and there's a line of police cars and you get like a real

[01:07:40] like underlined movie star intro for Sarah Paulson. Like he's really putting attention on this is an important character. Dr. Ellie Staples. Yes. And this is where the movie sort of starts like completely like exploding, exploding, pulling the break like everything.

[01:07:59] And then you essentially get to the three of them in a room. They're assigned to their separate rooms. You get the systems of Mr. Unbreakable's in like an impenetrable steel box. But with water, he's surrounded by showers. Right. And he's got showers.

[01:08:14] Mr. Split is in a room with a light. The light trigger the characters if he moves past a certain point. Mr. Glass is just brain dead at this point. Sadly, but she puts the three of you in the movie.

[01:08:26] She puts the three of them in a room that's like a really aggressive pink, which apparently is a real psychiatric trick that men's institutions used to use this this shade of pink that kind of drives you crazy and placates you at the same time.

[01:08:41] Can I also try to neutralize violent threats? Can I read some Shyamalan? Please. This is Shyamalan's tweets. Yes. I chose ochre or mustard, the beast. You know, Mack was always in yellow. This is very much a color scheme movie. Yes. Yeah. He likes colors. Right.

[01:08:56] He always does because this color is associated with religion, Buddhism, Hinduism, a monk's robe. He does with the shaped head and the yellow scrubs. I see the beast as an evangelist, a preacher who wants to save the broken. Wow. I chose purple for Mr.

[01:09:11] Glass because this color has been associated with royalty, majesty. Elijah sees himself as important. And the purple is in there very much from the first one. And I chose green for David Dunn because it is life giving. David is the protector of life. Yeah.

[01:09:24] As the characters become believe in the comic world, the primary colors in the film are dominant. As they stop believing, it becomes monochromatic. The pink room red fading to white is like them stopping. Oh, it's the midpoint. Okay. Interesting. And I'm sure you're right too though.

[01:09:40] I'm just saying. When they cut. I like that. Yes. When they cut to the clips from Unbreakable, you remember like that movie is like almost in black and white. Like it's so muddy, monochromatic. And this is immediately jarring when suddenly they're like bright primary colors because even Mr.

[01:09:57] Glass is purple in Unbreakable, but it's like a desaturated purple. Yes. Very dark. Right. And this they're going like super bright. When you get to this room and suddenly the movie like grinds to a halt. Yeah. In a way that I think you and I found exciting. Right.

[01:10:10] And a lot of people are like, why is it what I'm talking? I thought this is superhero movie now they're in jammies and they're talking. To be fair, the subtitle of Glass is jam jam time. It is a jam jam movie. Time for jammies.

[01:10:24] And Sir Paulson essentially has like a 10 minute monologue where she explains that now in culture there's increasing phenomena of people believing they're in a comic book and using it to justify their actions. Right. Ordinary things that they perceive as being extraordinary, but also and this is

[01:10:43] what's kind of interesting and this is where I start to like retroactively accept split a little more all the things that may be uncomfortable to split. That it's this people trying to find meaning in trauma and horrible events. Yes. Now this is like as we debated in split.

[01:10:57] It's highly sensitive stuff that he is. He's just kind of like thrown in the blender and pressing pulse, which especially when it comes to Mr. Split, what you just said that he views him as this like religious figure of

[01:11:09] like trauma being this purifying thing that they're pure now him and on your Taylor joy because they've experienced no, no. No, of course, that's just what Mr. Split thinks is not what's shaman right now in split.

[01:11:19] I was like, what does shaman think this and in this it's clear because you have three contrasting viewpoints for if you include Ellie, right? Right. Right. That it's like these are people who are trying to find meaning in

[01:11:31] the seeming meaningless of their major life events by ascribing them mythic status. These are inciting incidents. These are origin stories. These are the inciting traumas, you know? Right. So then I'm starting to really get in on this fucking thing because she starts

[01:11:49] questioning not only the movie you've been watching, but the last two movies and saying, what if none of that happened and just it is kind of an impressive performance is showing. I think she rules because it's like right. She's saying like, Mr. Unbreakable, you're not unbreakable.

[01:12:04] This is all in your head. You're just like you had this traumatic injury when you were young. You know what she's like? And like, and I'm like, maybe she's right. Even though I'm like, I saw unbreakable. He's unbreakable. He was in the train crash. Right.

[01:12:16] But she's like your weakness is water. Like everyone, like everyone drowns, you know, like you're just freaked out by it. And the other thing is she, I think she sites like this sort of mother gaining the adrenaline adrenaline when a child is trapped. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:12:29] And she's like, because you convinced yourself you were unbreakable, you were able to do these things because of the adrenaline rush you gave yourself and because you're not stopping yourself in a way that most normal people would. Right. You know, like Mr.

[01:12:43] Split, those bars were old and rusty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the thing when she says the bars thing, I'm like, she's just talking to the audience. She didn't see that. Right. You know, like she's talking about a specific shot from split. Yeah. I'm pulling the bars.

[01:12:57] She's talking about wet shells. The shotgun shells. Yeah. Right. Anya Taylor-Joy said that, you know, he was crawling on the ceiling, but then when they captured when they stole his computer, they found rock climbing videos. So he might have just studied that.

[01:13:11] I mean, I just like that she's immediately going like you guys are ascribing meaning to everything. Right. But can we talk about the twist here? Yes, which is well, she knows there for real. Oh, you want to talk about the end twist here? Yeah.

[01:13:25] I'm just saying, I'm just saying people listening have seen the movie. Right. Right. And what she later reveals is like, I'm fucking with you guys. I know you're superheroes. I am responsible for getting you guys out of the world. There's a secret society of normies.

[01:13:41] That have been trying to keep a damper on extraordinary things. Right. That comic books as Sam Jack has been implying with all of his monologues across two films are us trying to make sense of these phenomenons the same way we wrote stories about Greek gods, that

[01:13:57] there are these exceptional things. And perhaps we heighten them into a way that is somewhat different, but it's our way of rationalizing people who have extraordinary abilities in one way or another. You know, people who are extraordinarily handicapped or powered in their lives.

[01:14:12] It's the same thing when you can't make sense of the abnormal be a good or bad, you try to make it into fantasy where that fantasy is based in reality. And she's arguing the opposite, but in fact is really fighting for

[01:14:26] the truth, which is we need to make people think they're not capable of doing things. So these mutants know their place, both good and bad. Yep. And that's why the three of the clover, which is pretty nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

[01:14:41] And like I've seen people be like, you know, the twist in this movie is one of those classic bad Shaman twists, a twist for twist sake. Nope. You know, underwhelming. What? No, it isn't. It's insane. It's baked into the cake. It's insane.

[01:14:58] It's not insane in the way where it's like you're watching a movie about, you know, Mr. Hot Dog. And then it turns out Mr. Hot Dog is actually a hamburger church. Oh, and you're just like in the movie, the movie is just

[01:15:09] like it's just an entirely different thing. One of those bonkers twists. But like it's still a crazy thing to make the third act reveal of your third movie. Yeah. Sorry. And also the second act reveal is maybe the last two movies were bullshit. Right, right.

[01:15:24] And the third act reveal is like no, no, no. They're real. Right. So it's not like a twist for twist sake. Like our friend, Bill Geberry had seen, printed the show, had seen this movie earlier than us and you asked him what he thought.

[01:15:35] And he said it's like unbreakable and split or fighting each other. Like two movies are fighting each other. But the whole movie just feels like a bunch of different arm wrestling matches between whose characters in control, what type of movie is in control.

[01:15:47] And so at the end twist is an arbitrary. You're explaining what people's motivations were, but it's all part of this one thing the movie is about, which is our relationship between mythology and reality and what lies in the middle. You know, are we projecting incredible things

[01:16:04] onto our life because we love mythology or is mythology the way we process the things that can't be explained in reality? Yeah. Which is a crazy thing to make a movie about and gets me rock hard. Okay.

[01:16:14] So now the movie is has kind of ground to a halt. Yep. Not only that, Mr. Glass has still not done anything. No, he's just sitting there drooling. Right. And you're like, this is a real and Samuel L. Jackson performance because I don't think he

[01:16:28] talks until maybe minute 90. Yeah. How did you feel about it, Ben? At this stage in the movie, I'm losing interest. Yeah. Honestly, I think this is where it loses most people. Because once the rules of then her setting up like maybe you aren't super, you know, and

[01:16:48] you're kind of questioning, you know, and and then also you have no idea where this is going. And you could imagine this being a Shyamalan final twist. You see a full superhero movie at the end. They go to the asylum and she says, no, that was real.

[01:17:01] It was all in your head. Here's the video of what it actually looked like in reality. Honestly, I didn't know. I thought I really could not see where it was going. Because you know there's so much more movie left and you're like, how do you get

[01:17:11] over this hump of just stopping the movie dead in its tracks? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's crazy that this is what he decided to do with this movie. It's insane. I like it. I like that he did it. It's crazy that he decided to do this

[01:17:27] with this movie. Yeah. Now this is when it starts to shift. He always was going to do this with this movie. I don't know. He always had the first unbreakable script that had the horde as the enemy at the end. And he was like, that's too much.

[01:17:39] Make that another movie. Yeah. But do you think he was always like, because you would always say, oh, it's a trilogy. Yeah. Like this is the last part. Well, he had also said at some point, like I had an idea for what maybe

[01:17:49] would be an unbreakable sequel and I maybe do it as one of those night chronicles movies. I mean, I feel like he had a lot of sort of like half ideas. But I think there probably was a more conventional trilogy in his mind when

[01:18:02] he was writing Unbreakable of like Rise Peak Fall. You know, of a hero. I mean, that was his whole point was that Unbreakable was just the first act of what is usually a superhero movie. It's an origin story, but all three movies are origin stories.

[01:18:20] That's the crazy thing. That's one of his twists. Yes. And it's some pointed out. I guess someone had been re-listening to our unbreakable episode and I said in that. Ben has to put this episode out now. I know. I was so unbreakably upset

[01:18:37] at the time that he wasn't making two more films, but that watching it in 2016, whenever we were doing that episode, I felt like it's good. He never made the sequels because the sequels would never actually be satisfying. Yeah. The most exciting thing is to see

[01:18:53] this guy rise and then to see him end up in a generic superhero Avenger vigilante movie would be kind of boring. I don't think it has the characters made such a big emotional growth. You know, that's what the movie is really about is him accepting

[01:19:06] himself that the second one would just feel like a generic thriller maybe. And this is just him being like I have no interest in doing that. Yeah. You know, I want to show you a little bit about how this guy's been living in the 19 years in between.

[01:19:20] You understand the system of his I'll give you a one fight fighting. Right. Right. How he works with his son, all of this. But then this movie A starts to shift a little more over to Sam Jack, which is weird because at this point he still is nonverbal

[01:19:34] and shift over to the three people they each have on the outside. Yeah. On You Taylor Joy for Mr. Splitt, Mama Glass for Mr. Glass. Yep. And what's his name? Jacob. Joseph. Joseph. Joseph Dunn. For Mr. Unbreakable. And they're all trying to figure out what's going on.

[01:19:52] And literally there's a scene where you went to the bathroom where Joseph and On You Taylor Joy are like in a comic shop at the same time. They don't know each other. Right. And they're both studying comic books, literally staring at covers looking for clues,

[01:20:07] like looking for meanings of how we interpret the story. This is where I was like, I can be here where like the guy is like, well, the first comic superhero is Action Comics Number One or whatever. You know, like crazy thing is that Unbreakable literally opens

[01:20:18] with like 12 title cards of being like people for comic books published per minute. The average comic book has 32 pages and four staples. Shyamalan. Talks about that where like when he was making Unbreakable, Disney was like, can you not say comics much? Yeah. That's for Dorgs. For Bibby's.

[01:20:36] And it really feels like he's making this movie with that mindset without, you know, yeah, still in place. Not like everyone knows about this shit now. Well, you were saying also like walking out of the theater, you were like, this movie feels like M. Night

[01:20:49] Shyamalan arguing that he invented the comic book. That like every superhero movie of the 21st century. Unbreakable. Has been part of the Shyamalan cinematic universe. And that it's born out of our like common delusion, like our cultural delusion. At the end he's like, no, no.

[01:21:09] No, I was just kidding. Yeah, they're great. And we all have to believe it's like literally like fucking Peter Pan. Like the more people see it, the more they believe. You know, I will say that the secret society that feels like a newer kind

[01:21:23] of invention for the genre. Very much because they have no motivation really. Usually it's power, money, but whatever what's driving them is status quo. It's weird. Look, there's a there's a basis. I feel like we haven't seen stuff like that before in superhero fiction, right?

[01:21:41] I don't I can't think of a comic book that's ever even introduced an idea like that because usually secret organizations, comics are like the Hellfire Club. Like they are also mystical and powered and they're just trying to use it for their own gain or whatever, you know.

[01:21:53] But this notion of like it's it's very like current political climate of just like are people literally just trying to like convince the citizens of their country to not want to not ask for more to be comfortable being given a shithand. Oh, I read it as PC culture.

[01:22:13] Really? No. Cool. Thank God. They're the woke police. Yeah, they're the woke police. No one can have fun. Yeah. You know, we can't people just get on stage and tell jokes. Like, why can't comedy be funny anymore? I know. Just drives me crazy.

[01:22:29] Well, and it's not like laughter is sort of an involuntary response where if something is truly funny, you will laugh at it. And if you're not laughing, maybe it's a bad joke. Maybe it's because it's based in a fucked perspective. But when you see a guy up there

[01:22:43] and you're like, what is he going to say next? You know, it could read Dickery Duck. OK, what? Wait, where's Joe? One up a hill. Two fifty. Two fifty. Give me the bucket of quarter, right? That's. Look, David, I don't know if you

[01:22:57] know this, but the job of a comedian is to say the things that the rest of us are afraid to say. Truth teller. Truth. Yeah, it's a truth teller. You're right. You're right. You have to be walking that type rope. And you know, and there

[01:23:05] are the three leaf clovers out there trying to keep you guys quiet. But you know, you're out there telling the truth. And I'm thankful for it. I really am. Yeah. I go to the comedy cellar for all my truth telling. Yeah. I just do think it's a crazy

[01:23:15] like folding back in on itself thing to be like this movie is about normal people trying to like, like it's almost like a white supremacy thing where you're just like using culture constantly be like and of course we know the white man is inferior. It's superior to all

[01:23:30] others. That is the status quo. Everyone else know their place, you know? Sure. Yeah. You took that in a direction. I didn't see you taking it. I don't know. What was I going to say that? Oh, no, you know, it's a little like syndrome from the

[01:23:44] Incredibles to carry on the Incredibles perspective. Yes. He's different in that he wants to be superpowered and wants everyone to be superpowered. Right. So whereas they want just to all normal, only basics. Right. And what I like about this as opposed to like what Incredibles

[01:24:01] 2 is doing where it's like, OK, like Odin Kirk and Keener are like representing different sides of this sort of argument. But the heroes are going on unabetted, you know? Right. They're sort of just like pawns in this game that they don't even know they're part of in this

[01:24:16] this mid chunk of the movie where the thing grinds to a halt. It's all these characters starting to really like question themselves, you know? Yeah. And their reality and the audience like questioning. It's a weird thing to like make an audience see a movie that you've

[01:24:33] been building up with 19 years of like expectations and hopes and dreams and then halfway through be like, why do you fucking idiots want to see this movie? It's a weird move. Weird move for the end of your trilogy. It feels like it's shaming the

[01:24:46] audience for paying to buy a ticket to the movie they want to see. Here's what I think. Once Mr. Glass is waking up and starting to be Mr. Glass, you see something's going on. I get real excited. I'm up boarded all at this point.

[01:24:58] No. Now it's really like a chess moves movie where he's doing all these cryptic sort of things. You see him logging onto computers. Yeah. He's like suddenly in the middle of a hallway and they're like, how'd you get in here, Mr. Glass? Like, right? Yeah.

[01:25:10] The reveal of like the armrest full of pills in his chair. I love that. Like just this like amazing, like super villain, super genius thing. And I feel like especially in this day and age where like most superhero movies have apocalyptic stakes, you're like,

[01:25:24] you rarely do see a super villain who is just the classic like chess master type. Sure. The guy who's just always six steps ahead, which is what he is. That's his power. He's smart. Right. Right. The Ozzy Mandius like don't you understand it's already too late. It happened.

[01:25:39] Exactly. Yeah. I like the thing where he cuts the guy's throat with Glass. Do you know how long it took to find the right piece? That's what he says. Yeah. Doesn't he swear? Like maybe I forget. Motherfucker. I feel like he dropped a drop to die.

[01:25:56] Is it Luke Kirby? He slashes or is it out of David Thompson? Well, it kills both of them. I know. I feel like Luke Kirby gets strangled by the beast. That's right. He gets crushed, crushed. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a David Thompson who someone told me was somewhat

[01:26:10] hozzly. Ask. The sort of tall guard with like a beard. OK. What? And he's talking to like the security guard. He's like, you know, you're going to want to I can't remember he's having like a whole convo. Diets. Is it a diet convo? Remember? Yes. Yeah.

[01:26:26] No, he's like talking about like supplements and stuff. Oh, yeah. That's right. Right. He's hozzly. It's like if hozz was into supplements. If I grew up on the West Coast, like if I grew up in North Cal, I would be that. In Ditch. In Ditchland. Ditch world. Yeah.

[01:26:39] Right. We've already talked about SoCal Benny a couple of times using hacky sack as a cover for his truck operation. Yeah. On the boardwalk. Right. But if I was if I was more of a Pacific Northwest boy, right, I would definitely be a hiker, pot smoking,

[01:26:56] talking about something. Yeah. I mean, so Cal, dude, like. Like you are so like likes like Mr. Wags. Wags. Griffin's wearing his Nick Wager hot salad. My hot salad t-shirt. Did you just get it? Or I got it. Yeah. Yeah. I just got it. I was on vacation.

[01:27:10] I came back and it arrived in the mail and I put it on for my first day back in New York City. Just just to be clear, guys, this episode is being recorded the day it's coming out two weeks after we saw the move right because of Griffin's

[01:27:21] vacation. We like saw it early. I got on a plane. I landed late last night. They originally canceled my flight because of storms. But then like the storm was kind of a big whiff. So I guess what I will say my I was raining.

[01:27:34] I had just been to Disneyland sure my plane flight last night and this will trigger you had drops equivalent to that of like the New Guardians of the Galaxy. Are you serious? It had the full like we're dropping so fast that your stomach is rising up.

[01:27:49] There were like five different pockets on like a five plus hours. Was it during turbulence or during just when you're up in I'd say there were four or five pockets of extended 10 minute turbulence that were that erratic. I can hate that shit.

[01:28:01] It really I had a little bit. And I just kept on my mind. I was like if it was that bad, they wouldn't let the plane take off. No, anything could happen. But if it was so apocalyptic, they wouldn't let any planes take off turbulence, which I

[01:28:12] really hate and really makes me upset. It was the worst turbulence I've ever experienced is not very particularly dangerous. It's really never been any significant. I was just scared. Problem from right. It's just scary. It's just scary, but you know, you would have lost your God mind.

[01:28:24] I went for a tree. I really think about that. Yeah, you know, but if you think about it like, you know, you're 40,000 feet in the air. Particularly, you know, like a hundred foot drop. You're good feel insane. It feels like Tower of Terror. But you know, it's just 100

[01:28:38] feet out of that. You know, anyway, yeah, but was landing OK? It was a little bumpy. Sure. It was a little bumpy. We got it. I mean, it was raining pretty hard by the time. Trubby rain. Got you, sucker. Yeah. Oh, fuck.

[01:28:51] Well, I have to take a plane in a few days. I hope it's better by then. Oh, I can still say it. Humble brag. Oh, sure. Right. You're going to Sunday. I'm going to Sunday. Yeah. Anyway, I think what you were trying to get to is that

[01:29:07] then of course we came into record today. Right. Oh, yeah. And yeah, Griffin like woke up to record today. Right. Yeah. That's how tenuous it's all been. I was jet-lacked. Yeah. You're dead. You're dead. Got it late last night. I ran an anti-anxiety medication

[01:29:24] in LA, which is a great place to do that. And so I got my refill last night and when you're off it for a couple of days, it hits you like five times harder when you're back on. Right. So I just went into a coma

[01:29:34] and woke up five minutes after we were supposed to be recording. Yeah, that's right. But that that it's just I was something anyway. It's that's this is how how close this episode came to not happening, guys. Really? I'm saying right. We almost bumped up.

[01:29:47] Babin, we're almost we're going to have to literally just bump the episode. Right. Because I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get back to the East Coast in time to do this. We're a little loopy, but in a way maybe this feels

[01:29:57] like the old days. I mean, maybe no better way to go to hit 200. Yeah. Than to feel a little bit like like one. You know what I'm saying? I agree. The boys are back. The boys are back in town. Boys are back in town. So

[01:30:13] what happens at the end of this move? What happens at the end of this movie? So Elijah really wants to meet the beast. The beast is coming out more regularly than before. He'll just show up sometimes. Right. Elijah finally reveals himself to the beast at like an hour 30.

[01:30:26] Yeah. After you start to see these suspicious signs, after you start to see their family members sniffing around. What I'm Taylor Joy, Joseph what's on Taylor Joy's character's name again? Casey. Right. And Mama Glass all go to meet with Sarah Paulson and you're like these three are uniting.

[01:30:42] What's he team up here? Why is he bringing these three characters together? Sure. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of like I will say this, whether or not you like this movie. And I feel like a lot of people turned off by the fundamental

[01:30:53] choices he made about what story he wanted to tell. Right. There's a thing that Shyamalan's really, really fucking good at is giving you an hour plus of movie where you have no idea what the fuck is going on. Right. And you're still leaning

[01:31:06] forward to try to figure it. That's how I feel. That's how I feel about the last act of this. And I got that kick in my stomach, like something like the happening it's like I'm tuned out. I don't know if he can save this thing, you know? Right.

[01:31:16] But something like this, you're like even if it's crazy, you know he's pulling some bigger thing and with all these disparate pieces that feel so disconnected in a movie that doesn't have a protagonist. And especially at this point you're cutting between like seven different characters. Sure.

[01:31:30] Like the three in the hospital Paulson and the three on the outside. Yeah. And you're really going back and forth between them equally. Willis, who's the biggest star is the one who has the least to do. Yeah. Because he's just given up.

[01:31:41] He's the most laid low by the pink room scene. He's the one who's really questioning himself. The beast is doing this because my son wanted me to die. Personally, so some are more interested than others. Right. And then Mr. Glass reveals himself. Yeah.

[01:31:56] Glass is the guy in the next control the whole time. He's been in control the whole time. He meets the beast. He has the beast take him through the basement. He puts on this incredible suit. He says first name, Mr. Last name, Glass. God, goosebumps. And he

[01:32:13] there's this red herring in the movie that we keep being teased of some big new tower that's opening, which is great. And they kept called like putting it on a news. Yamaha Tower. Yeah, it's like a not Katomi time. Right. So you're like this is like a

[01:32:27] nice like Bruce thing. Like it's like a history of Bruce, but they also have him scale a tower. There's this cover that's like a new marvel on the Philadelphia skyline. The greatest building of all time. Another thing I want to point out tower from Girlants 2 that I

[01:32:40] saw someone talking about. Yes, on Twitter. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Was the what was I going to say that like it's it's so great that he shoots in Philadelphia because like all these movies that shoot on back lots and shoot in Atlanta or whatever and kind

[01:32:56] of look like nothing. Yeah. Like you know, it's so fun that he uses like these streets in these locations and that he's not like shooting in Vancouver and pretending it's New York that he's like I want this to look like Philly. It's a specific place. Yeah.

[01:33:08] Like it's such a nice thing when a movie has a real sense of place to it. Yeah. And it so rarely happens now, especially in like big budget film making. Right. Right. It's really a character in the movie. It really is. Philadelphia is kind of the

[01:33:20] eighth lead character of this film with no lead character. I agree. I agree. Maybe it's the lead character. But anyway, you think they're going to end up there? Yes. But they just have the show down in a parking lot. Right. And part of that is a budget

[01:33:33] thing you have to imagine. But it's also nice that he gives you the red herring because you're like watching them fighting in the quad essentially. When are they going to get to? I like the practical nature of it almost that it didn't have to be

[01:33:46] in some grandiose sort of like fight area that was staged very much just like in front of where they've been housed. I mean, it's a cool location in the house itself and the ground. And it's also it's it's an ideological set piece. I mean, it's them fighting for

[01:34:02] their own existence. It's them fighting to prove that they are what they think. That's what this is. It's like you see the Horde wailing on Mr. Unbreakable, you know, they have their big fight and like James McAvoy does his weird sort of like wolf run,

[01:34:16] which is so good, which I like. And Bruce bending the steel bars like you're getting like these clear daylight, you know, they're already cutting to the security cameras a little bit or at least cutting to security camera angles, god angles and stuff like that. And the yeah.

[01:34:30] And then, you know, they like the horde gets shot by a SWAT team. Right. On a Taylor joy, they realize that some earlier point is able to get him back to Kevin Wendell Crumb. Yeah, if she like touches him because her power is like intense

[01:34:42] empathy. She's an empath. Right. Which that was one of those things where like walking as split. I was like, are they implying that like everyone who's been like abused then gets superpowers out of it, which I thought was gross. But this movie is just like.

[01:34:56] But this is the read I use for your Batman Returns read, which is like these these people are trying to process these unbelievable things that happen. Now retroactively works for me. I'm not saying I can watch Split without any speed bumps, but I'm

[01:35:08] saying I now get the bigger thing he's getting at, which is we want to ascribe meaning to life events that we can't comprehend. Whether it's the thing that changes us and makes us good or the thing that breaks us permanently. You know, it's like that's why

[01:35:20] we want stories that are so elemental about like, here is the inciting incident. That's why we always like everyone thinks they have to tell us again that Batman's parents got shot in the alley. You know, because it's like everything is supposed to be some response to that.

[01:35:35] So that's where this becomes crazy, whereas like Lady in the Water is just like I'm the man who writes the stories that change the world. This is him being like, why do we want stories? Like, why do we care about these things? Why do we relate to them?

[01:35:46] Why do we like things that seemingly are so divorced from our own reality? And a SWAT team comes in and it's like, no, you don't want them. Shoot James McAvoy. Drowns. Bruce Willis in a puddle. Which they keep on cutting to the puddle early.

[01:36:00] Yeah, they're like, they're not going to do this. It's so small. This is such a small puddle. It's not even a big puddle. It was pissed. Yeah. Mr. Glass, they break them like glass. I mean, he's easy to beat. They fold them like laundry. Shout out. Bricker boy.

[01:36:15] Mitty two spoons. Mitty two spoons. And that's that. Right? And like, yes, there's this moment where I forget who it is that I think he says it to his mother, right, where he was like this wasn't a limited edition. Because the mother started preaching his thing.

[01:36:32] Yeah, where she's like, understand this is a limited edition. The heroes all have to combine and match into each other's aesthetics. Like she sort of even explains like it's a couple different books with different vibes that all need to find a common ground. Sure.

[01:36:49] And the other thing that's happened is like Joseph has put together that Kevin Wendell Crumb's dad died on the train. Right. That is revealed. Right. I like that where Mr. Glass is like, well, don't reveal that yet. That's like the big twist. Come on.

[01:37:01] He's trying to control the story. Right. Right. Right. But which which Mr. Glass loves that he also created, you know, the Horde. Right. Like there's the earlier moment where Anya Taylor-Droy goes to meet with her principal and they're asking her like, are you are you holding up OK?

[01:37:14] Like that was a pretty fucked up thing where James McAvoy ate your friend's stomach. And she's like, I'm cool. But when she leaves the office, the camera pans over to Joseph on like the class photo and you're like, what's the point there?

[01:37:27] But it is he's trying to do that. Like this is my cinematic universe and like people get excited when it turns out that like Bucky's uncle was like, you know, like Ant-Man's teacher or whatever. Right. It's the same sort of interconnected thing where he's

[01:37:41] like these people are trying to find meaning in these totally meaningless things. Right. Because that's the way we like make it through our lives. You know, you tell yourself that like getting left at the altar is the thing that made you change your career.

[01:37:56] And then you make your million or whatever it is, you know, people like create these narratives where I was like, this is the moment that changed my life. This is the thing I never recovered from. This is what made me. This is the complex because my dad

[01:38:06] never bought me this and then I became a vat maker, you know, whatever it is. I get you. I get you totally. And he's doing that in an epic scale and people go all the time you read 50 dumb think pieces of month that are like,

[01:38:19] are we becoming too escapist as a culture that we're not engaging with adult stories and that we're obsessed with these superhero things. There are these insane mythologies that what Brad Bird is kind of trying to wrestle with is are we trying to avoid any responsibility for

[01:38:36] our own lives by believing in gods who can just come and fix stuff for us. But what he's saying is we project on to them the idea that you can overcome whatever happens to you and that it becomes an asset. And worst case scenario, you become a villain.

[01:38:52] But certainly Mr. Split is more empathetic in this than he is in split because when on your tail or joy breaks through to him, you're like, this is a broken fucking little child. You know, this is someone who has dealt a bad hand psychologically, a bad hand conditionally,

[01:39:08] you know, experientially and is maybe just now like hiding in all these covers, all these characters and all that. I'm not saying it's an act. But it is it's the Batman Returns thing. We'll get into it next week in the episode, but it's

[01:39:22] to great up. These are people born out of trauma in one way or another. This is Griffin's big read on the movie, what he we were talking about while critics walk by us being like, wait, you like that? Yeah, every five minutes. I was getting two thumbs up.

[01:39:36] Everyone thought I was doing a bit. I literally was going down the escalator with two thumbs in the air for everyone to see. You said, Shaman. He did it. I started a chant on the street, Shaman. But yeah, it's an origin story, not an unlimited addition.

[01:39:52] Because even though they're all dead, that's right. He died in the puddle if you didn't know that. I know what if in like an Avengers Endgame Captain America dies in a puddle? Be the best falls into a puddle. He's like, oh no, I can't get up.

[01:40:07] But that's the intensity also of I mean this thing has always been like one foot in the banal. Like if superheroes were real, these things would be boring in a lot of ways. A lot of the exciting things. I mean, Kryptonite is just as

[01:40:18] dumb as a puddle of water, especially because the gangsters in the old Superman comics would always be like, hey, Superman, you think you're so super. Give me that box. Hey, take a look at this in the box, this Kryptonite. They just hold a rock adjacent to him.

[01:40:32] It would be on a little pillow. Right. Check out this rock and he'd be like, oh shit. Right. And the water thing is silly because it's literally water. It's a real world thing and a puddle is just kind of a bummer. That's the biggest threat it poses

[01:40:44] to us in our everyday life. But it's like that's the thing he's doing. I mean, it really is this like, you know what? Why do we care about stories? Not just in the media, you know, that we consume the content over here. But also like, why do we

[01:40:58] always try to reduce our own life into Cleveland? Heep over stories. Yeah, say it two more times. Ben just Googled rock pillow. Then why? Just I was thinking, where do you get rock pillows from? Like a pillow that looks like a rock. Well, no, for putting

[01:41:14] your rocks off. Oh, like in a Kryptonite case that you know what, Ben, that is very smart and very clever. Well done. Ten rock points. Yeah. Ten pillow points. So this is just like calamitous and they keep on cutting the security cameras. You can't figure anything

[01:41:29] out. It just feels like, well, this is a real bummer way for this movie. This is the end of the movie. All right. But then Sir Paulson starts monologuing. We've got a couple times to the Clover tattoo because he took the shot that killed the beast.

[01:41:40] One of these sniper guys. The cybers had the Clover tattoos. She goes up to, is it Mr. Glass? Who is it that she gives her final speech to? She says it to Mr. Unbreakable while he's drowning in the puddle. She lies down like

[01:41:52] on the cement next to him. And she's like, I was trying to do this non-violently, you know, and like, you know, I just my point is to sort of cut you guys off. We can't live in a world where people are like you exist. Exactly.

[01:42:05] And then we see these cuts to like the secret society meeting. The second the one person leaves the restaurant. You meet at like a restaurant. Yeah. It's incredible. But it's also such a creepy like suddenly everyone goes like I like it. And the camera does the slow pan

[01:42:21] around the room until you get to Sarah Paulson. She's like, OK, meetings in order. Yes. Right. Right. I don't love that. A gag. Yes. If someone came in to get like takeout and they all had to like pretend they're eating again and then as soon as he

[01:42:34] left, then they started the meeting. It's like Toy Story. It's like they have to like go limp. But it's even I mean it's like it's not just these against super heroes. It's also like people who are born with defects, you know. Right. And some of those

[01:42:50] defects help and some of those defects hurt, you know. Sure. But but everyone should just be normal. And is there really a normal? Well, I don't know. But according to well, all right. So yeah, the final twist is they failed. They didn't they didn't suppress

[01:43:09] these people because pulling the strings here. We got everything. Put it on a drive before we question the cloud is I guess the one thing I it was fine that they didn't go there. But with the Secret Society, I was sort of like, where's the infrastructure?

[01:43:25] Like how do they get money? How are they infiltrating the SWAT team? I wonder if they're like a whatchamacallit? What are the descendants of like the May Flower? You know, it's like it's a passed down sort of thing where it's just like, well, you

[01:43:38] know the meeting times, you know the places your grandma taught you. Yeah, this is some Illuminati right. I'm finding that being the man Illuminati. But I just I guess for you, I feel like you're so I like rules and I like order and I

[01:43:49] like mythos and I don't know, maybe you'll make like fucking glass origins or something. I'm dead done. I want to make original thrillers. This is the last thing I want to make. But you do watch this and you're like kind of love a Secret

[01:43:59] Society movie or even like a fucking TV show or whatever. I mean, it's just I mean, I figure he's done because the end of this movie is Spencer T. Clark, Anya Taylor Joy and Charlene Woodard. Yeah. Sitting down. They've uploaded all the videos to the Philadelphia 30th

[01:44:13] station. They've uploaded the videos. His favorite location. And now people know what's possible. It's a location where Mr. Unbreakable finally conditerms that being a superhero and stands there. Now they've let the world know that things are possible. She says it's the beginning of a universe.

[01:44:25] And I get goosebumps. I don't know. I just like part of it is just like and then like the credits roll and it says like unbreakable and split like as the credits roll. Yeah. In like the shattered glass. Right. James McAvoy is credited for all 36

[01:44:37] characters he plays, which is funny. Right. Patricia Dennis head with the Beast Barry Heinrich J. and Mary Reynolds Norma Jalen Cat B.T. Kevin Crumb. Pirate Joe Richard Felida Luke Goddard Samuel and Polly. Yeah. Trolley Tom. Trolley Tom. He would be like a old like

[01:44:54] hobo. Sounds like he's just pitching garbage pail kids cards now. Yeah. I like the movie. So this is your number one. This is your just like I love this ship. Yeah. And I'll say like look, I don't think it's gonna stay number one. I think really good

[01:45:09] chance it's in my top ten at the end of the year. Excited find out. This movie is such a griff thing, you know, and for a guy who grew up so much for Shyamalan has been so reinvested in his career because of this. I just like there's

[01:45:21] no more sort of like not a tourist but like for guys like you and I. Right. This is getting to the whole point of this movie about like how we try to describe narratives and whatever. We like to look at the narratives of these careers.

[01:45:35] Yeah. And this is like the movie that's like the payoff of everything good and bad that's happened to him. Right. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Right. And it's interesting that this movie seems to be we can talk about the box office following a night trajectory that's

[01:45:51] familiar where it's like going to make money. Yeah. Definitely got bad reviews. This is closer to the village thing. Exactly. My have a bad drop. Right. Yeah. I was meeting with people in Hollyweird while I was out there and I was talking about how weird

[01:46:04] glass was and they were like so like what do you think? What are you expecting? Like box office. And I was like this is going to be one of those movies where it makes like 20 opening day. Right. And then it loses like 75 percent of its audience the

[01:46:16] next day. You know, like it's going to like it's people thought it was going to end up at seventy five. It did like 20. It ends the like weekend at 50. I think it'll just tap out at 100. Yeah, maybe it'll multiply like two and it's still crazy profitable for him.

[01:46:30] He's got his Blum House set up. He's got his branding and someone's like so do you think he's like spent all his capital again? Do you think he's bombed it again? I'm like no, I will make another straightforward thriller. I think he'll make another fun January

[01:46:45] thriller and people will be back on board. And I think he's going to like this is him back in his old like M Night Cups because this is his chance to do it. But I think he wants to just be like here's a high premise

[01:46:57] thrill ride strap in. I'm a night Shyamalan. And he said in this interview, I don't want to make any more sequels because I want my promise to the audience to be I'm an original thriller guy. I want you to lock in.

[01:47:07] I want to give you a scary time. Give me a scary time. M Night, you're going to scare me. I was scared during this movie. I was tense. I was too. Yeah, scared he was going to fuck it up. That too. I also like that shot

[01:47:18] of David breaking down the door. That's great hero moment. All that stuff. I wish that M Night would do. I mean, but this is also territory that's bad for him. But I just feel like I like the idea of him doing something like futuristic or science fiction.

[01:47:36] After I know. But that's and that's the budget stuff. And so but I don't know. I just I think he's such a good storyteller. I didn't love this movie, but I like the idea of it. And I think he's a great filmmaker. See, I agree with you.

[01:47:48] I would love to see him do like a ten million dollar space thriller, like something that was closer to like moon. Just be interested. Right? Like not like a big sci-fi movie. But I feel like a spaceship is a good setting for an M Night Shyamalan.

[01:48:00] I mean, I'm always because after Earth barely counts as a fucking spaceship movie. And I'm always in favor of the spaceship. Only half counts as a Shyamalan movie. I mean, it's him trying to serve another master. It's very much his film, but it's not. Yeah, yeah.

[01:48:18] You'd like the kid who would be king. You're going to watch that, right? The Joe Corners movie. Yes. Great. Yeah. I'm so excited. So good. And the movie is going to lose so much money. I just feel like it feels so out of time.

[01:48:31] Like I remember seeing that you and I both saw the trailer when we were like this has to be based on some book or something. And it's not. So there's no built in audience for it. I think Britain, it'll probably do pretty well.

[01:48:43] I guess it probably didn't cost too much, but it's weird to see like Fox financing that. Yeah. And Joe Cornish, like, you know, one of the best debut films of the last 10 years and has turned out a lot of big jobs.

[01:48:54] It was on a lot of short lists and either didn't make the cut or turned it down or like was briefly the front runner for Star Trek 3 before I think Orsi pushed him out before then Orsi got pushed out and then it became the Justin

[01:49:06] Lin, which is also a good movie. Good movie. Right. I just cornish has it's an interesting choice for him to be like I'm going to dole down making like a pure kids movie. Cornish doubtful not a movie that only kids can enjoy. You'll love this.

[01:49:22] You're gonna love this movie. I'm gonna love it. I hope you love it. I thought it was really good. Has Stuart in it. Patrick. Yeah. Small role. I'm really good. I'm gonna get on this. Better box. Yeah. Yeah. You should be on the now.

[01:49:34] Oh, someone asked recently why I was non letterbox and can I get my answer very quickly? Yeah. Because people track every single thing David watches. And then they make a post on Reddit saying oh now we know what's coming up next. Sure.

[01:49:50] And I said to David, can you just hide when it's mini series that were banking way in advance and you said absolutely not I must log everything. Yes, exactly. So I said cool then I'm not going to be doing letterbox regularly. I'm only going to do it for

[01:50:02] the new releases I see. Yeah. Because I don't want to tip people off. I want to keep some surprises in store. So like you were watching all the Grissoms and everyone went like oh 100 percent. You were watching all the Grissoms. Yeah, that's just something I decided to do.

[01:50:17] Correct people on Grissom. Yeah. No, you just decided to do it and people were like 100 percent Schumacher like they're doing it. But that's what's fun about it. Throw them off the sand. Right. But if I'm posting the same things that you are then they get confirmation.

[01:50:31] So I don't want to be the second source. I don't want to be the second source. Well, I just letterbox is for me and that people want to look at what I'm doing on letterbox baffles me. But I'm glad they enjoy it. Right.

[01:50:42] That's why I don't want to be posting because I want to keep an air of mystery. I'm not my trauma line of the group and Ben's on it too. Professor Crispy. No. So you'll just see how logging Assassin's Creed twice a week. His favorite movie.

[01:50:54] Assassin's Creed is like Jim to him. He's just like going to the gym. Throw in a quick creed. Was everything I was going to say about Lerner Mock says. Oh, it was crazy. Like those are some bad seed boys who in Assassin's Creed. Bad seed boys. Yeah.

[01:51:12] I can't wait to watch. I don't want to see it. Yeah. We're going to we're going to we're going to talk Creed at some point. Winky Winky Winky Winky Winky Winky Winky. I'm so excited. No, I was just going to say that we were talking the

[01:51:25] mailbox the mailbag app like very vaguely about our the future directors we were covering and immediately like everyone was just like I think it's that it's this right. It's like crazy that everyone figured out that we're doing Penny and Gary Marshall back to back. Congratulations to them.

[01:51:40] Of course, those are the two directors we're covering. You figured it out. A pot it is one for David, one for Griffin, Penny and Gary Marshall. Yeah, I'm a penny guy. You're a Gary guy. Yeah. Exit to podcast. Writing in podcasts with boys boy. Podwakening's podcast

[01:51:56] at their own. Yeah. That I mean that is a great love that. Both of them have made good movies. Correct. Yeah, and a lot of marginal stuff. She all her movies are basic like find a good. He's made a lot of movies. She only made like seven movies.

[01:52:09] Right. She had a better. Yeah, she was basically usually pretty jumpy Jack Flash. She's one of the early whoopies. Jumpy Flash. Right then big Awakening's League of their own. We should go over this because we're going to cover all of these films very soon.

[01:52:22] I'm tripling down on this. Awakening's League of their own Renaissance Man, which I've never seen. Oh, that's that's kind of a veto. Yeah. Preacher's wife riding cars with boys. Weird. Yeah. Yeah, really. Yeah. The looker. Do you remember when Armorson would

[01:52:36] do that sketch on SNL that was her like TNT detective show and said the closer was Penny Marshall, the looker to just give people a look with her little sunglasses on the tip of her nose. No, next week is Batman Returns Yeah. With Emily Ashida.

[01:52:53] Mother of blankies came on the talk Batman Returns. It's a great up. Yeah. It's a very silly up. Yeah. Patreon subscribers will get incredible Hulk in two days though. Oh, yeah. That's a silly up. Yeah. And that's a poopy movie. Poopy movie. Yes it is.

[01:53:10] And then of course it'll actually come out the 21st so it will be out at midnight. Oh, you're getting these like back to back. This is the 21st? Oh, yeah. I have it wrong. Yeah. Of course. Big little chunk for you blankies who are putting down the cash

[01:53:24] and done that cash. Yeah, especially when there comes a prank check. I mean let's say what are they like sort of housekeeping duties? We got we got two new pieces of merch going up. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Our great friend Joe Bowen has made a new shirt.

[01:53:38] We love them. The two friends. Oh, we worked on this design a lot. You and him had like a lot. It was a contentious but it was just like we want to offer something different. We don't want to just like what makes the two friends shirt different than

[01:53:53] the main logo thing. Right. So it's like a pep boy style company shirt. Right. It'll look like you're an employee of the two friends podcasting company with our little tagline It's a competitive advantage. I think it's like a cool like retro sort of caricatured company logo thing.

[01:54:09] But also forever ago when we were working on the logo and we were giving Joe the list of all the little Easter eggs we want to put on the desk. We couldn't think of a good M Night Shyamalan thing before we finally settled on the comic book, right?

[01:54:22] Yeah. And so there was a point where he like tried to draw Haley Joel in there and we were like that feels weird because he's a real person or like a toy. And then I was like put in a scrunt and David was like don't

[01:54:32] put in a scrunt and I un-CC David from the email was like please put in a scrunt. He put in the scrunt. You were like why did this happen? And then cut it. And then Joe a month later just said like look I just had

[01:54:45] a lot of fun drawing the scrunch. Yeah, we just did this for kicks and he made like a radical scrunch shirt. He made a shirt with a scrunt like all poochied up with a backwards baseball cap and sunglasses and a skateboard and we've been sitting on it

[01:54:58] for a while. It's just a great little tune. We love that guy. And we think episode 200 Rebecca Shyamalan. Shyamalan's done it again. He has. We're gonna we're gonna sell this radical scrunch shirt. Gonna get sued by him like Shyamalan. He's gonna set his scrunts on us.

[01:55:12] Do you think he has like a tight copyright on scrunts? I don't know. I don't know. Scrunt. It's a pretty loose thing. So people ask you tell them it's not an official lady in the water shirt and you have no idea what it's a drawing of.

[01:55:22] But it's a fun. It's a fun tune and we're gonna put it up. It's a great way to support support Jesus Christ our friend Joe Ballin and other stuff to talk about. I don't know. We're back on the Burton. I don't know.

[01:55:39] I mean do you have any do you have any general things to say at 200? It's a very weird thing that we've been doing this show for this long and that people take it seriously now. It makes me very happy. I find it fulfilling. Yeah.

[01:55:51] It is crazy that people listen to this like I was like talking to some friend of mine who's like yeah I try listening to pocket sometimes but like it's like you guys are just speaking another language and I just don't know what it is

[01:56:02] and I'm like right yes. And pick up a phone call. Basically what's that clover on the back of his neck? Oh, what? Don't worry. I don't know. I love you guys love the listeners and I love my podcast friends. I do also. Also like two things here.

[01:56:19] I saw someone on Twitter like tweet about the show and refer to me as one of their favorite film critics and I was like oh boy not my job title right. And it is a weird thing the way this show is evolved because I more and more

[01:56:33] have people come up to me being like I like your takes on movies. No, not even that just go like that's pretty crazy that you're like working in the film industry and you do a show where you speak so openly about your opinion on things.

[01:56:45] But you're a fan. I'm a big fan even Esther Zuckerman asked me she was like, you know I always want to be a critic because I never wanted to like make the stuff myself. Sure. And I don't understand what drives you have the impulse to do both.

[01:56:56] And the answer is we've talked about this a bunch. We started doing this podcast I thought my career was dead. Yeah. And I pretty much was in this thing where it's like I might have to pivot to something else. Here's a podcast that's just about Star Wars

[01:57:05] and even when we move to the blank check thing we didn't know what this was going to become. We had very small listenership people didn't take our opinions very seriously. I understand within this show. I'm not saying this is defense. I'm just talking about like 200 episodes and thinking

[01:57:16] about the whole arc of this thing. Right. And then during the Shyamalan arc I got cast on the tick. Yeah, which is pretty crazy. I mean the time that this has been a blank check proper pretty much coincides with this time where I feel like

[01:57:30] now people like take me seriously. Yeah. Like I look like someone who has a career when I just still feel the same as we've always I know you don't. That's my point is that when we do this show I think we come to it the same way we've

[01:57:41] always come to everything which is like ideally we just want to be two friends talking about movies. We're the two friends talking about movies. And the hope is that this show feels to people like when you get to hang out at like a diner at one o'clock in

[01:57:55] the morning after a movie and have talk with your friends to be like a welcome to blank check and you have your platform for your very serious review. So serious. Yes, and I have a platform for my very serious performance. But also I mean we talked

[01:58:07] about this like there's the push and pull of like I'm more of a critic. I'm give I'm evaluating work that I have. Yeah. And you're more of a creative person who's like how could I how could this be fixed or right now you're off her saying like here's

[01:58:18] what I wish the movie was doing or here's what frustrates me about you know and for us is so much that the context. I mean this show is really just about like I don't know the act of talking about movies more than anything nerds you know we

[01:58:31] nerds Ben yeah and Ben just it's pretty nuts that Ben's involved too. We've been active into this mess well I would then also just spit out the biggest vape cloud in the world. You should say don't let that go and mentioned on Mike when you tapped him

[01:58:43] on the shoulder and he said yeah rings of it was like they announced a new pulp out of his mouth. Well I would like to say I feel very lucky to get to have worked on this show from the beginning. It's so fun and we had you here.

[01:59:04] Yeah and I just I feel like it's it's I've weirdly somehow fit into the show because I don't you know we need you there to sometimes be like the fuck you're the voice of the people. Yeah but I don't I yeah I just I don't see

[01:59:20] myself as necessarily someone who was as invested in cinema as you guys I feel like I've gotten more so I mean even like this year like in the last month you've been like I'm trying to like run through like catching up on all the

[01:59:33] movies I need to see before the end of the year. Yeah and it's like you're like seeing the things you feel like you need to see before you do a blankies episode totally. So I've really changed in that way but I just think also like for whatever reason

[01:59:46] my silly chip it just it's fun that I can do it here. It's really I don't know it's just like weird what this shows turned into especially because of the very specific corner we backed ourselves into when we decided to have a podcast in the first

[02:00:04] place of the Star Wars thing and Ben from the beginning was like you got to think about something that's more ongoing than that. Right right but this thing is just kind of like evolved and grown to its own thing and that's weird to see like

[02:00:15] when people who listen to our show who also like right cite our things where they're like there's a popular theory that the blank check boys espouse you know that we're like cited. I think we're great. I think that's great. I mean I enjoyed doing the show

[02:00:28] and Ben is still vaping. It's just fun. I don't know I'm just getting like retrospective here. Okay so you should get an archer spank you're going to spook the fans otherwise. I'm not saying anything bad that I'm not teeing up to some big reveal.

[02:00:39] I'm not trying to like disown anything. It's just an odd thing with what this has become and it's I mean the merch support and the Patreon support all these things that we were afraid to do for like three years you know it's nice to see love that page.

[02:00:53] I had I had someone ask recently can you sign something for my friend but she's specifically a judging the judge fan and I did a show at Sketchfrest in San Francisco and someone came out to me and I was the show it went well

[02:01:07] but someone came up to eat the bar and went oh my god are you flat Stanley intensely popular children's book character flat Stanley and it is that thing where it's like people come up and they're like I am such a big fan of A.T. or T.

[02:01:22] You know like they're not like I listen to your show they're like I love this you know it's it's crazy how deep people go into this thing and I think you and I mean all three of us were people who always had like big obsessions were massive

[02:01:36] fans of things our own things it's very cool and satisfying it's a real to have a thing that people like care about that much and when you read people like say like this helps me when I'm at work or when I was sick or right that kind

[02:01:51] of thing exactly right that like you know listening to us helps you out in a tough time or helps you get through the day or like we're three broken boys who prop ourselves up with like albums yeah exactly I listen to podcasts and TV shows

[02:02:03] right these are my support systems I'm happy to be a support system for people yeah I'm glad you enjoy listening to us talking and we really appreciate it we're gonna just try to keep keep doing what we want and we'll just ask you know it's always helpful

[02:02:18] to leave a view or a rating yeah so you know let's do one of those called arms things we're not going to set a crazy goal let's set something reasonable let's be the number one podcast on iTunes and I'm one podcast of all time right so everyone

[02:02:31] please really you know I actually carves the ratings rankings into stone they'd like to be number one I want to be on a tablet that's my thing and not one of these I tablets oh I don't know anymore do you remember that was the

[02:02:43] rumor that they were going to call the iPad the I tablet came so close how how lean would that be if you let me just check it on my I tab here be bad you'll be bad and then leave us a review that would be good

[02:02:55] if you left us a review a comment I mean this is a week where really if you like what we do it'd be nice if you give us that bump we got some some really good burton apps in the can some really big guests coming up a guest

[02:03:05] I think we said you she does on Batman Returns but we got some new first time guests that are true gets you've been getting some folks and I'm not talking about a divorce in the eyes of Jewish law yeah not that or blood simple actor

[02:03:20] John gets what a good guy his name right yeah here he is Jesus David cracks himself up I do crack myself up I think that I'm amazing no I'm joking I can't believe anyone ever listens to me God David's drinking a pint of tiger blood

[02:03:40] got winning tattooed on his chest winning what if this is the year where David just goes full she starts selling his own pirate Sims merchandise like he wants to monetize only his you know what I want to do what I don't know

[02:03:55] how to do is like is the let's play like a video game stream yeah because people keep saying like oh you'll be funny if you did that and I keep being like no I have artistic thoughts about super mario world Chris yeah yeah there's so many people you

[02:04:10] should talk to someone was like oh it's easy just get a quick screen grab and I was like this seems too hard this is very good if someone like teaches you the thing yeah you'll and you want to money your money loving money monster I'm weirdly I keep

[02:04:23] on offering my credit cards humble brag I keep what do you keep offering I keep offering to the public to do streaming let's plays as well for some reason people don't want to watch me play through one level of Lego Batman for the

[02:04:39] 18th time in order to get 100% on studs you know that's my crazy thing is that I'm you're a super completeist or whatever I've almost exclusively played Lego video games in the modern video game era but I have platinum 100% on all of them they call me the platypus

[02:04:53] for a reason because I'd go plat baby they call me Oliver because if I start a game I'm going flat alright I'm getting a message here the building is being destroyed with us in it we can't leave it's been a good run this is it

[02:05:07] thanks for the memories that's it um yeah no let's be done with this thanks for talking glass with me and being my friend Griffin Newman well thank you for being my friend David Sims Ben thank you for being my friend I met both of

[02:05:23] you at like weird points we were all at weird points in our life and we all met individually and I feel lucky that I mean truly if I could get happy I feel deeply truly lucky you guys are two of my best friends yeah you're two of the

[02:05:37] people I spend the most time with not just the crazy workload we built for ourselves making this show but we do genuinely like doing stuff together yes like we get excited when we get to go like oh we're recording and then we're all going to see

[02:05:50] a movie together or like getting drinks or bagels or whatever yeah I just you know when we saw the NGs the other day like I just like seeing a movie with you were such a great time we went to our pizza bar which no one will ever locate

[02:06:02] people are already trying to get it people are walking up and down the streets like Bruce Willis in glass bumping into pizza bars trying to find the art us and here's the fun thing some people have had guesses I'm not going to tell you

[02:06:14] if you're right or wrong yet I will never confirm or deny yeah we got a secret pizza bar secret top secret yes and it's called Dijornos yeah it's at our home it's a home bar so what's the Dijornos slogan it's not delivery it's a Dijornos yeah

[02:06:30] yeah thanks for listening please remember to rate for your answers yeah truly do this week I guess I don't know is there a bit like what's a bit that's fun to ask people to do in their reviews you know so that it becomes a little creative I'm tired

[02:06:48] is there like one like like review we should ask like one like here we go I got one okay everyone please please copy paste the entire architect's speech from the matrix reloaded and leave it as review on iTunes that would be pretty funny right

[02:07:07] that's good if suddenly we have a hundred of those were just verbatim and I know that quote existed because I read the whole goddamn thing that's good that's good that's good idea that's good so please copy paste the architect's speech and give us a gentleman's five stars

[02:07:23] thanks to laymonk I'm refer theme song yes and a theme song that I threw it to him like two days before we started the show I was we should have something right and he said what should the theme song be I said I don't know we're

[02:07:33] rebranding the show I don't really know what it's going to be but the show is called blank check don't know what to expect that's I mean he ran with it he made a song based off of me telling him I don't know what to tell you

[02:07:42] right right right and it's a banger it's a good song people send us videos of babies dancing to us they do yes they do I think Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork both people who just did artwork we loved on the internet and said hey

[02:07:58] you want to come on board we love him and she was interned back at the UCB days and we did the same thing we're both Dave and I said to you Ben who's the one making the space cams photo shops someone clearly in this

[02:08:12] office listens to the show and Angie's the best we're going to get around an episode soon she was going to do Aquaman with us she couldn't unfortunately can't but I think I think we're going to try to make a girls night happen for what men want

[02:08:25] so we'll do a boozy ang episode post what men want on the patreon feed right right so those are my extra little bonus shout outs to our blink check family go to blinkies.red.com for some real nerdy shit and one of the things

[02:08:41] that makes me most proud about this show is when I like read our threads and people are talking about like I can't believe they didn't get into this in the Edward Scissor Hands episodes and they're amazing critical takes of things that I would never

[02:08:53] thought of makes me so happy it's exciting to see I like that yeah community where people are coming in with really real talk to each other they don't even need us weighing in right I'm sorry that they didn't talk about this thing and it's like you

[02:09:04] said it better than we ever could go to tpublic.com for some real nerdy shirts and clearing the two that we just talked about I tune in next week for Batman Returns and as always the commemorate 200th episode yes get all of you in on this yes so

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