Home Again with Richard Lawson

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Since when is having three adorable guys hanging around such a bad podcast?

[00:00:26] Right. Starting over is now for beginners. We have a tagline for the movie and we need to state this right off the bat because this is an historical. I think you need to state this. You need to get this off your chest.

[00:00:37] As a tradition on the show, we open with a botched quote or tagline from the film. This is the first movie we have ever covered in what now three years of the podcast? Three plus. Right? Yeah.

[00:00:51] To not have a quotes page on IMDb. No one has bothered to put quotes on the IMDb page. That includes the loveless head quotes, piranha two head quotes, praying with anger I believe had quotes, Wait a water. Wait a water had quotes. That water sure is heavy.

[00:01:04] The quote was 16 pounds. Just want to get another weight of you. All you gotta do is weigh me. Spent over the fucking line. That's my new one. I'm doing that at home a lot. Starting over isn't for beginners. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman. Oh, David Sims.

[00:01:24] I had to point to him. He was missing his cue. I usually do. This is a blind check with Griffin and David where I hashtag the two friends. Come out of the van for the only friends who host a podcast and move into a divorced woman's house together,

[00:01:35] a guest house together. It's called a compound. It's a compound. Sure. Yeah. It's a collaborative living community. What are those things called? Yeah. Cooperative living community. I don't know. Whatever. What? Communion. Communion, sure. It's a podcast about them.

[00:01:55] Directors who have massive success early on in their career and are given serious blank checks to make whatever crazy past projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they have a baby and then that baby gets to cash their parents checks. Baby. Baby.

[00:02:14] They're like, hey, baby, can you take this check to the bank? And they're like, sure thing. And then they sneak off and make a movie instead. You think that's what happened? No, I don't. Nancy was just like, here, I have this $12 million in this wheelbarrow. Yeah.

[00:02:27] You just cart it over to TD Bank. She likes TD Bank. Right. And she ran it right over to open road pictures now called global road pictures. Isn't it now called a non-existent picture on dress? No, no offense to those people who watch. Right.

[00:02:43] Open road, well, it's a good idea. No offense to those people who watch. Right.

[00:02:49] Open road was AMC and Regal Theatre saying, what if we made the movie and distributed them only to our theaters in what is kind of a reverse of the monopoly that had to be broken up in the early 1900s where the movie studios also own the theaters and they were like, no, sir.

[00:03:05] Right. So now the theaters are like, what if we own the movie studios? And it didn't work very well. Except that they within a couple of years won best picture. It's insane. Yeah, like who did who? Spotlight.

[00:03:17] Oh, that's where people are like, you know, it's really hard to win best picture if you don't have the experience with the campaigning and all of the sort of infrastructure and then open road won best picture over the revenant like with spotlight.

[00:03:30] It is kind of crazy that in the last 10 years Summit A24 and Open Road all won best pictures while being like pre-me companies and two of those companies don't exist anymore. Well, Summit kind of exists, right? I mean, it's just folded into part of a shingle. Yeah.

[00:03:47] Well, you're a shingle. I am a shingle. I have shingles. My mom had shingles. Very, very painful. It's a joke in our family that my mother only gets diseases that haven't existed since the 1800s or sound. Scurvy?

[00:03:59] Yeah, just every, it sounds like artisanal when my mother's under the weather, you know. Are shingles adult chicken pox? Yes. Yes. In Mary, Queen of Scots, Margot Robbie gets or Queen Elizabeth gets them and the makeup job is very funny.

[00:04:11] Well, what happened was that Margot Robbie got them. So the Queen had to get them. Yes. Yes. Yeah, adult chicken pox. And I think it's like, it's adult chicken pox if you had chicken pox. It's a weird thing where they come back. Right.

[00:04:25] Because like you can be an adult and get chicken pox. I think that's really bad. That's what fucks you up bad. Right. Whereas shingles I think are just like very itchy and annoying and like the worst, but I don't think it's quite as like severe.

[00:04:36] The chicken pox thing is like when adults haven't had chicken pox, they don't want to go within like a fucking city mile of a kid with chicken pox because then that does them in. Shingles I think is just like, oh this sucks again.

[00:04:48] Shingles is that for reasons that doctors don't understand your chicken pox returns in like a limited form. Right. But limited is the key word. Yeah, it's like a nasty weird rash. It's a platform. Right, exactly. It's expanding outward from major metropolitan areas.

[00:05:01] It's sort of like an open road. I mean it's like it's going to be in like major theaters, but not like all of them. And that's like a pretty limited P and A budget. That's disgusting. Correct. So this is... So essentially we're comparing home again to shingles. Correct.

[00:05:16] The shingles of movies. We've been doing a mini series called something's podcast about the films of Nancy Meyers. And this is a bonus episode. You know, we've oscillated between the bonus episode being something that's connected to them, but wasn't directed by them. Okay.

[00:05:31] And a non feature thing that the director did. Right, right, right. But this is going back to the first one, which is a film made by her daughter. Hallie Meyers share. Yeah.

[00:05:42] But it's very much, it feels not like a film directed by the daughter of the person who directed something's got to give, but it feels like the daughter of something's got to give. Right. It feels like that movie had a baby and that baby was another movie. Yeah.

[00:06:00] And all, but like it was kind of a weird kid. You know, like had a baby, but like kind of a, oh yeah, kind of a weird kid. Well, I would say it's unnatural for movies to give birth. Whatever. I don't want to push my politics here.

[00:06:14] I was going to say, I mean people can do what they want. I don't think movies should fuck each other and I don't think movies should have babies. I just don't think that's a good environment to raise a kid.

[00:06:21] Did you see who the second unit director of this movie was? Stephen Soderberg, right? Charles Shire. Really? Yes. So all three of them were on set. I guess so. When I reviewed the movie, I, in the opening paragraph, I said the late Charles Shire and

[00:06:35] someone on Twitter was like, um, you just assumed he had died? I didn't. Because she's made 40,000 movies about divorce and I was like, I think she's a widow. And this movie is also about her legacy of her dead filmmaker father. That's true.

[00:06:49] You'd watch this movie and you would think like, oh, her dad must have died. Right. Instead of her dad being a dead 70s auteur, he is a living 80s, you know, programmer. Right. He's crazy. He made Baby Boom. He did? Yeah.

[00:07:04] He made Father the Bride and Father the Prime Parts. But he hasn't directed a film since Alfie, right? Uh, yes, except, yes, yes. That's his last feature. He has a credit on a Reese Witherspoon indie. It's weird. Something about how starting over is not for beginners.

[00:07:21] By definition, frankly. Yes. I'm going to say something right off the bat. This movie is, to me, what's been English is to Ben. Oh yeah. Okay. We all like this movie then that means. Yeah. But I just felt like-

[00:07:34] You were in the wild card because you hadn't seen it. I hadn't seen it. Right. I hadn't seen it. I was pretty against it when it came out. You were dead wrong. I was dead wrong. I was dead wrong. I found this movie charming. Yeah.

[00:07:46] So you had a long time ago when we had floated the idea. Or guess of course today. Yeah. Introduce the guest. Is someone soaring into the Six-Timer's Club now? Yeah. Firmly in the six? I guess so. He seems to know. I'm going to check the wiki.

[00:08:01] No, it's six. It's six. Yeah. With 100% confidence. It's six. He's our great friend. Our fabulous- What's the term I'm looking for? Cohort. Yeah. Sure. And Bits. Right. It's a writer for Vanity Fair. It's a little Goldman podcast. Richard Lawson is our guest today. Hello.

[00:08:23] And you had a long time ago when you floated Ang Lee said on mic that you wanted to do taking Woodstock. Yeah, just because like why not? Right. And then people were confused, flummoxed when you were not the guest on the Taking Woodstock episode.

[00:08:35] But it was because something had superseded that. Yeah. Something had given. It had to. Right. You wanted to go home again, Richard. I really wanted to go home again and I watched the Twitter poll to decide on the first season with like so much.

[00:08:49] I mean, I was like genuinely. Right. Like watching the finals. You were shaking and crying. Right. And then Pico Alexander visited you in a dream. Yes. Well some say it wasn't a dream. But if he asks it was a dream.

[00:09:01] But then you took your token off of Taking Woodstock. You put it back in play and you said I'm going home. Well, because it wasn't even guaranteed, I guess that you guys were going to do home again. Well, I was pretty sure. But I assume.

[00:09:12] We knew you wanted to talk about it. It seemed interesting enough for a filmography short. David loves it. So the second she won, we were like, even before she won when she was clearly like starting to gain momentum.

[00:09:21] We said if she wins, we're going to do home again. Like if James Cameron's son had painted a creepy portrait of him, you should talk about that. You do an episode on that, right? Yes. This movie is crazy. Yeah. This is a very strange film. Yes it is.

[00:09:36] So this is the home again. The third movie in this mini series that I auditioned for. You auditioned for this one? I auditioned for this one as well. So you auditioned for it's complicated the intern and this. Yes. You were going to be Candace Bergen's part? Correct.

[00:09:48] And they gave it to LeBron Bergen. You were going to be the director father in the beginning. He was going to play a little munchkin that lived in Candace Bergen's pocket. And then they cut that whole part out.

[00:09:58] There's like a whole extended subplot where she talks to a weird little elf in her pocket. Right. That was the role I auditioned for like five times for it's complicated. Didn't end up making it in the movie.

[00:10:06] They shot it and cut it, but they couldn't find someone and went through two different casting directors trying to find someone for this part. Wait, what was it? I've said this in his complicated episode which is coming out by this point, but Meryl

[00:10:17] Streep goes on a Tinder date and the guy shows up and he's like 17. And I believe it was Darryl Sabar. Darryl Sabar ended up getting the part and they cut it out. But they postponed the shooting of the movie because this was one of her big set piece

[00:10:32] comedy scenes. Right. And then they couldn't do it. And then for the intern I auditioned for every male role. Right. Like every fucking one. Mostly DeNiro obviously. Yes. Right. That was the one I got close to. Right. And I was like, you weren't 70 years old.

[00:10:46] Which to be fair, I understand the confusion. Yeah. No one asked and they just assumed. Yeah. Yeah. Because Renee Russo requested you, right? She did. I mean, Renee and I are just such a match, you know? Uh-huh. And we just...

[00:11:01] It's one of those things where it's like, okay, so we're one of those legendary pairings. Like you bring us both on set together, you know the chemistry you're going to get, but do you want to have the movie like be bogged down with all that baggage? That's fair.

[00:11:13] Is it going to be like a you've got male or is it going to be like a Joe versus the volcano? Like, is it going to be like I'm so happy to see them again

[00:11:19] or is it going to be like this is a little too much too soon? That's totally fair. I understand that. And then this I auditioned for the Red Netski part. You did. I did. Can I start off with a hot take? Please.

[00:11:30] About the three boys in the movie. Yes. Yeah. So this movie is... I might have the same hot take as you because I got a real hot take on the boys. Okay. Well, I don't know how hot it is, but it's a take.

[00:11:38] I got a boy hot take. I called this movie Goldilocks and the Three Boys. Which... Home again, home again. Jiggedy Jag. My hot take or whatever is that all the boys are playing the wrong roles. Yes. Okay. So Pico Alexander should be playing the actor. Thank you.

[00:11:55] Because he looks like he's ridiculous looking. Beyond that, right? Beyond him looking like a sculpture. Right. He acts with the confidence of a 23 year old actor who just got off the bus and lost Angelus. It hasn't booked a job and thinks he's hot shit.

[00:12:08] I'd seen this movie twice. There was my second viewing and I had to pause it and be like, wait, wait, he's the director? Yes. Like, you know, Rudnitsky should be the director. Yes. And that wolf should be the writer. Correct. They're all in the wrong role. Yes.

[00:12:22] Like it doesn't really matter, but like they all are the type of a different type. It does kind of matter. I think they put Pico Alexander in his role because he's the most handsome one and he's the one who should end up with...

[00:12:32] We have the Tramford moment at the end there. But all right, what were you going to say? I was going to say I took some note. I can't find it now of like with Pico Alexander. It's like, how do you like hot guys like learn how to

[00:12:42] talk like that? Like it's just a very particular kind of thing where you're like they're young but they're also sound like they've been... They're like 45. Yeah. It's a really weird thing. It's the thing that Gosling does best of anyone. Yeah.

[00:12:55] Where it's like the affected sort of like James Deeney tough guy. Yeah. And there's like a certain vocabulary of face acting that they do where it's like very specific sort of like facial tics to accentuate certain words

[00:13:08] or they like curl up the side of one like corner of their mouth. You know? Yeah. There's like shit like that and like the half wink and all of this sort of like even the way they walk and that's like, as you said, that's the stuff

[00:13:19] that every young actor learns to do. Yeah. He's doing all of that because he's an actor playing a part where that's his bag of tricks but because you know that's the thing that young actors do you keep on going well he should be the actor character. Right.

[00:13:33] Yeah, exactly. I also think the costuming is off. Yes. Because he's wearing an actor's clothing. 100%. Yes. Yes. And Rynicki's the one who's the film obsessed guy like who goes into the director's like sort of homage room and is into it. Yeah.

[00:13:48] Like he's obviously a director and then that wolf is the little Jew. He's the writer. I'm Jewish. I'm allowed to say that. The Pico Wolf Swap is the biggest one for me. I think the movie would work still. Vance vaping in the studio. That's got a vape.

[00:14:02] Producer Ben is vaping. The Bendooser is vaping. It just looks like a USB. How do you? The Bendooser is vaping. People fucking do. It's helping me quit smoking cigarettes. Part detective's vaping. The meat lover's vaping. Dirt bike Benny's vaping. So can wet Benny's vaping. White hop Benny's vaping.

[00:14:17] It's the creme brulee flavor. Can I ask you a question? Is Professor Crispy vaping? No, but I am Ben. Me. Hosley vaping. If someone sees you vaping in the street so they wish you a hello phenom. Yeah, fine.

[00:14:34] And can you tell me whether or not your vape has graduated to certain titles over the course of different miniseries such as Kylo Ben. Producer Ben Kenobi. Ben Hsiamalan. Ben Sate. Save Anything. A-L-I-B-N-S with a dollar sign. Ben 19, the fennel maker. Producer Ben. WarHaws. Mr. Ben Credible. RoboHaws.

[00:14:55] Banglish. Eat. Eat, drink. Ben Hosley. Yeah, that's it. Is there an Instagramer's one? I don't know. You got a pet? Oh, we got a... Didario gave me one. Some Ben's gotta give? I don't know. Some Ben's gotta give some. What was the one that Didario gave you?

[00:15:10] Let me find it. Alexandra Didario? Follow me on Twitter. Hey, oh, lucky man. Lucky man, Richard. Daniel Didario, of course. Long time fan, long time friend. Variety TV critic. Now, Haas, do you know? That's good. Is an old one for James Hullbrooks. It's haaslocated. I don't know.

[00:15:31] I'm gonna be a little sweaty. That was his... I like some Ben's gotta give. Sure. Why not? I don't know. I don't fucking know. You should know. You have all people. Where's there no other? I don't know. We'll continue that. There'll be an ongoing sub. The Ben Turn?

[00:15:48] The Ben Turn. Yeah, I like that. Ben kind of likes that. The Hosle Day. Yeah. The Hosle... Oh, that's good. Right? That is what it is. That's really good. I'm glad you gave and that was it. I think the Pico Alexander one is the one that's really grievous.

[00:16:03] I think the movie would still work if it was Pico as the actor, Wolf as the director, Radnitzky as the writer. But I think the best version is the assignments that you gave. But then in the plot, does Reese Witherspoon sleep with the actor still? Well, that's why.

[00:16:18] Or rather with Pico still. Because I think that like he kind of needs to be the one... I kind of think she should be sleeping with the actor. Right. Because the actor also doesn't have a character in this movie. No, not Wolf.

[00:16:32] Right, what I'm saying is Pico Alexander has like two things to do because A, he's the person trying to get the movie off the ground and B, he's the person with the romance. So you're saying you move the romance over to the actor,

[00:16:42] you move Pico over there too? Yeah. Right. That's fine. Because the actor character doesn't have much to do until he punches Michael Sheen. Right, yes he does. I think what Richard's trying to say is like sleeping with the actor is tacky.

[00:16:53] Sleeping with the director like, ah, maa, yes, oh, multiband. Okay, but this, I agree, but this is what I kind of like about it. I think this movie is like functioning as like a corrective for two kind of Nancy Meyers things, okay?

[00:17:06] This is what I think makes this movie interesting and somewhat separates it from the Nancy filmography. The other thing that makes it interesting is everything that happens in it from the first second of the film until the last second. Right. Yeah, all of that.

[00:17:16] Right, this film was shot exclusively inside a bottle of white zif and dal. They had to develop a fucking pinhole camera. And shrink all the actors down to size to fit inside that wine bottle. I mean, what else are they up going on? Raditzki's not busy.

[00:17:32] He could be shrunk. What I was going to say is the two things I think are interesting about this film to front load my hot takes. One, I think as you've said Nancy's very obsessed with the kind of older cat. Right? Like the gross. The incorrigible older man.

[00:17:51] Right. And it's like these guys are gross and the women eyes are. And they learn too late, but there is something attractive about them. Right. Well, that and then Gibson to even those middle bit like you have like what can I do? Right.

[00:18:04] And at the end of like, I understand that I'm kind of an asshole. And you're like, ah, get in here you. And the other thing with Nancy is that she thinks modern men are kind of boring. Sure.

[00:18:14] You know, like even the best of the modern men characters is the Keanu, but it's still like, you can't really have a life with him. Yeah. What are you doing? He doesn't have edge spectacular sex and money. Right.

[00:18:24] I do believe that, um, Halle Meyer-Scheier has a young man in 2017 when the 16th when this movie came out. She was with a younger man? No, no, no, I believe she has him saying in this movie that Pico Alexander has that classic Clark Gable thing.

[00:18:38] And it's like, sure, right. Cause like 20 something boys now are always referencing Clark fucking Gable. 100%. Well, I was going to say there's the scene in the intern where Anne Hathaway like drunkenly dresses down the intern boys and is like look at you men with your untouched shirt.

[00:18:51] The intern is very much. A pain to the old fashioned. And look at these boys with their shirts tucked in or at least, you know, well ironed. Which is what I think Halle's kind of doing here, which is like her mom thinks that like

[00:19:01] soft boys aren't can't be sexy. You know, they're too soft and they don't have gentlemanly behaviors and she's trying to go like, here's modern men who are more attuned to your emotions who aren't pigs,

[00:19:11] but also got a little, a little edge to learn how to tuck it in. Right. And the other thing I think she's saying- Makes the movie feel like it's set in a different dimension. Right. Which is weird, but that's also the thing that's most interesting about the movie

[00:19:24] when viewed through the prism of this mini series we're doing. Sure. Is that Halle's going like, no, maybe it is kind of cool if you date younger men, which Nancy's like men do that, but that's why they're dumb. You should be with people your own age. You're right.

[00:19:36] You're right. She is arguing for, I mean, this is, this film has more like, it has men that you just would never see in an Nancy Meyers. No. Like yeah. These men would just not talk in an Nancy Meyers room. They would just stand there.

[00:19:48] It makes it so surreal because like, but they are sort of, they are there, but they're not supposed to be there. There's something wrong. There's something deeply wrong. So this is my biggest take. They are the sign that it's like an inception. Yeah.

[00:19:59] Where like you're subconscious should attack written skin, tear into pieces. Like the top is still spinning. Yeah. You know? This is my hottest take on the movie. This film is set in Marianne Cotillard's dream. That is actually true. That's why 9-11 never happened in that movie.

[00:20:11] My hottest take in- Nah, don't fuck it about that. The movie, I think that's a great joke to end comedy points. My hottest take on the movie is- The joke was for you. I know, I love jokes. No, I know, I'm just saying.

[00:20:20] I was just worried that you were going to get to my take before. No, go ahead, do your take. That's why I kept yelling it. It's kind of a parallel take to your joke. I think this is a Brigadoun movie.

[00:20:29] I think this is a movie about three men wandering who end up in the wrong film. Do you think? You know, like it's like- Oh, what about this? Reese Witherspoon and How Do You Know She Gets On That Bus. Yeah. From that fucking dimension. That's like dimension X.

[00:20:44] Which is the same bus that like Thor and Birch got on at the end of Ghost World. Where you don't know where the buses go. And it takes her to some like third dimension, which is where this is set. Right?

[00:20:54] No, because I think she is of this dimension. I get what you're saying. They have wandered in from a different movie set. Like I want this movie to take the Turing test. I just think like these three guys are in like a Judd Apatow,

[00:21:08] like Acolyte, like Bro movie. But they're not! And then they get on the wrong bus. They're nice. Yeah. They're nice boys. I'm not saying a bad one. What if boys were nice? Well, that's her biggest- That is the pitch of this movie.

[00:21:21] What if there were some nice boys? Which only feels not to her because she grew up in an Nancy Meyers house. Which is why it's so creepy. I mean like I wanted Reese and Pico to get together at the end

[00:21:32] because I think that that would have been more transgressive and more interesting and like, oh, of course we can't be together. Right. But there's also something deeply creepy about these nice boys at least one of them being sexualized. You know? Yes, it's weird.

[00:21:45] Because she's like mommy and they're learning. It's about young people learning to love or appreciate, not to love, appreciate a Nancy Meyers-ian woman. Yes. In a movie directed by Nancy Meyers' daughter. Right. So basically she's saying like, appreciate how your mom always has flowers in the house

[00:22:01] even if she's a little tyrannical about it. Yeah. But maybe also sleep with her? Aw. And also it has that knocked up pitch of like one wild night leads to one crazy movie. Which is why I'm saying that Apatow-y thing. You know, I know I'm agreeing with you.

[00:22:15] But then it like the wild night is like they drink a little wine. He can't hold his liquor. Right. And like that's it. Like it's not like nothing crazy happens. This movie just throws you into a swimming pool.

[00:22:27] But then it turns out the swimming pool is like made of champagne or whatever. Right? Like it's like you're like, wait this isn't what I expected. Like it just starts, it starts things off right away. It's very bizarre.

[00:22:37] And then when they stop the Rinnitsky thing you go like, oh, is this going to be some weird love square movie where all three guys are fighting for her? Right. But it's just like, I think, I mean, A, I think this movie is Halle Meyer-Scheier's argument

[00:22:48] in favor of boys because Nancy Meyers makes movies about men. Right, yeah. And has no respect for boys. She's just ending her generation. Right. Boys are good too. Kind of. But she's doing it with examples that are not from her generation. And then that's the other thing.

[00:23:01] Or any generation. She's summoned three beings. You think she just did a dark ritual by mistake and it produced these three boys and then she was like, we have to put them in a movie, I guess. You know what it was? She just came out of a portal.

[00:23:12] She was building the machines from the fly. Right, right, right. All of a sudden its complicated DVD fell in the machine. While Pico Alexander Dynar and his game at Wolf were just chilling in it. And then all of a sudden there was home again.

[00:23:25] Well that, the other thing I think this movie is kind of doing is like all the Nancy Meyers movies about the Cads, they realize too late in life like, oh, women are people too. I should have treated them with respect. Right.

[00:23:38] And they really get it together at age like 61. Like a spring 61, right? Right. And I think this movie is like, what if they don't end up together but this situation made these three men in their mid-20s, these three boys in their mid-20s

[00:23:52] learn how to be better men down the line. Like none of these boys will turn into Alec Baldwin or Mel Gibson or Jack Nicholson. Right. Because they've had this experience and they like, in a way now understand who a woman is as a human being

[00:24:06] because they've been like, letting her life in this very intimate way in terms of like, not just the sexual stuff but like her kids, you know, and her like career aspirations and all these sorts of things. This is a movie about like how a better generation of men

[00:24:18] is gonna come out of living with the Nancy Meyers. Right. But it's also set inside of like a Windows 98 screen saver. Yes. Like there's just, you're just like, what is this world? And you feel like if her Nitski like walked six blocks, there would be like a barrier.

[00:24:33] It would be truemanship. Yeah, you would just like come around the other side. Wait, wait, in a different tucked-in shirt. There is one moment in this movie that made it very clear that they were living in a simulation

[00:24:44] which is the scene where Nitski tries to steal the look at Reed Scott's iPad. And in any other movie, it'd be like, they're at a restaurant and he's like, hold on, I have to take this and he would step outside of the restaurant to take the call

[00:24:56] and so they'd have a little bit of room to go on a detective. So he's on a beach, he walks two feet away. Less. And they're like at full voice, hey, don't do that. Yes. And he's like shouting everything on the iPad. And he's also not stationary.

[00:25:07] Like he's two feet away and he's walking and shifting and like peripheral vision at any moment. And then I want to walk this. Nitski is at the opposite end of the table. Reed Scott turns around. Nitski is holding the iPad and screaming. He like throws the iPad down.

[00:25:19] Runs back to his chair. As Reed Scott just looks at him, sits in the chair and like sort of puts his napkin in with like a flourish kind of like a... Right. You know, like that. Right. And Reed Scott's like, hey, what's up? Are you okay?

[00:25:31] And then the black cats walk by in the next session and they realize that they're still in the matrix. Not like this. Not like this. Not like this. Oh my God. So this is the unofficial fourth matrix move. It's deranged. This movie is so good. All right.

[00:25:47] So this movie came out, Richard and I were talking about this in September, early September 2017. Right as we were going to the Toronto Film Festival. Sure were. It came out of the worst possible time. Yes. Why they would release it then? I have no idea. No.

[00:26:01] It was like largely ignored. Yeah. Made a little money. I made $27 million. So it made, it doubled its budget, its small budget. Right. But at the time, Wetherspoon was so like big that because of Big Little Lies and stuff, you thought that maybe

[00:26:14] they should have struck when the iron was hot. Right. Did this come out before or after Big Little Lies? Just after. Just after. Okay. Yeah. Was Big Little Lies air in like... That summer? No. It aired in February. Geez. Of 17. Of 17 in February. Right.

[00:26:31] So it ended in like mid-April. April. So it was early April. Yeah. Like it released that movie in early April. That's when book looks came out. Exactly. Or boarded an A or whatever. Why they released this not in some of that sort of spring winter?

[00:26:42] This is a spring movie, 100%. It's a terrible September film. Yeah. So Richard Hughes... And it was first week of September too. So it's like... First week of September. Which is right after the summer end. When film critics are not engaged. Right.

[00:26:52] Like they are busy with festival and awards shit or whatever. Right. Like I took time out for it while in Toronto to review this and I don't feel like any... Like most people didn't. I was just obsessed with it. That's like the weekend that Axl comes out.

[00:27:02] You know? Like all those dog movies. An open road movie. Yeah, right. The last one. Is it worse than Labor Day weekend release? Yes. 100%. Yeah, it is. Because at least at Labor Day weekend you will get the extra day. Some...

[00:27:15] I would argue this is the second worst weekend of the year behind the first week of January. Right. Where you know the top movies are going to be whatever the big things were for Christmas. Yeah. And if they release something in the first week of January

[00:27:24] it's like they're trying to... It's just some horror movie or... That's it. Like wasn't that Julianne Moore Witch movie? The first week in January? Julianne Moore Witch movie. Do you mean Helen Mirren Witch movie? Do you mean Winchester?

[00:27:34] No, I mean Julianne Moore is a witch and it's like medieval days and it's super... Oh, dang it! She's a witch. The Seventh Sun. Yeah. Which Jeff Bridges which was pushed back three and a half years. Right. It was like shot in like 2001. Yes.

[00:27:46] That's when that movie did. It's just video games cut scenes. So like Tamagotchi's. Yeah. But that's like you release those movies like if you have a really expensive movie that's a nightmare and you know it's going to lose money, you release it the

[00:27:56] first week of January and go like well we got steamrolled by Avatar what could we do? Right. No one saw that coming. Right. So this movie came out. You saw it at a press screening I'm assuming. Yeah. I skipped the press screening for like reasons.

[00:28:08] I took Bobby Finger. Sure. Bobby Finger, previous... We both... We walked down the block like afterward like silent until we got to the stoplight because we just had no idea what to say. Well you had to get immediately to an emergency defibrillator right?

[00:28:19] You are saying on the record that this movie got. Finger. It sure did. I know he's been on the season. Did he tell you the story about meeting Nancy Meyers? No. I don't think he did. Oh it's... Fuck Bobby. Bobby.

[00:28:31] I took him to the premiere for the intern and there was a party afterward at Tavern on the Green. I can't be kidding. And so we were there and there was Nancy and you know once in a while at a party like I'll go up and say

[00:28:41] hi to somebody. I don't like to do it but if it's someone like that and I was with Bobby. Yeah. So I went up and I introduced myself and I was like this is my friend Bobby Finger he writes for Jezebel and Nancy Meyers whips around to her

[00:28:51] assistant and goes Bobby Finger and she turns back to Bobby and she says we know Bobby Finger and Bobby literally fell down. He went to the dimension where... Oh my God he brought it back. And she knew him because he comments on her

[00:29:06] Instagram sometimes and he has such a distinctive name. Of course. And it was the most amazing moment ever. He is one of the best names in the world. It's an incredible name. When you hear that that's his real name not

[00:29:15] that it wouldn't be but like you're like I can't believe it that's his name. He has just given that name. Finger is a great last name and it sounds like a name that a screenwriter would make up. Right. And then Bobby is somehow the perfect first name.

[00:29:25] It's a great... Yeah. And even when he gets older like Robert Finger has like some of the magic Bob Finger. So you saw it with Bob Finger himself. I missed... Dickie Lawson and Bob Finger. I missed... One of the pictures.

[00:29:39] The press screen because I was busy or something. They just screened it like the one time or whatever like I couldn't make. David how could you? Well but that meant that I got to see this film in the perfect environment which is

[00:29:48] at the Cobble Hill Cinema five weeks after its release. Yeah. With an exclusively 50 plus audience. Oh wonderful. And a fly that kept sort of lazily flying in front of the projector so like frequently it was sort of just dangling in front of Candice Bergen.

[00:30:02] And when Candice Bergen said says I mean they laughed throughout it was like showtime at the Apollo. Dad fly was losing their minds. Dad fly was Jeff Gulpham. It's a cursed machine. But the line where Candice Bergen said like and he died so I went. Yeah right.

[00:30:21] Which is like you know a cutesy sort of Myers knockoff line like they acted like Nancy slid that line under Halle store. You can take this one I guess. They just erupted. I thought they were going to burn the theater down.

[00:30:36] Like you know they started like tearing the seats out of their fucking hinges. It was like an Italian World Cup match or something. They all sort of blowing Vuvuzela. Sandman took a nap because he knew there was no

[00:30:48] chance they were going to make him tap out the movie. That is a perfect way to see that movie. Wow that is incredible. So it was a great place to see it and I love the movie. Yeah but when I was so I was like you know

[00:31:03] when I was putting it back on for this I'm like you know was that just sort of a great like experience like it's just a just silly thing. I put it on it. It's like taking his annex. You just sort of like slip into the tub and

[00:31:16] feel so relaxed. Even though it's so aggressively bizarre. Yes well that's the thing is that you you relax and then all of a sudden you'll jolt you'll jolt awake and you're like wait what the fuck am I watching? Wait Richard what are we doing? What are we doing?

[00:31:34] I love any movie where there's the moment or they pull away from the kiss. It's so annoying. He missed one dinner. I know. Like come on. He's also trying to get a movie made like cut him some slack. And it also like wasn't a serious thing.

[00:31:49] Like you see the dinner it's like this is just like you're like wine. It was like a Tuesday night and they were just having a dinner party. He had like work drinks and it's like oh work drinks were in late.

[00:31:57] And she clearly states like it's not a big deal. You don't have to dress up fancy or anything. Right. Yeah. Just where you're you know like a Brooks Brothers shirt like nothing nothing. Right. Right. I mean the other thing is a fresh.

[00:32:09] I said I don't wear something you've ever worn. Ben yeah you heard this. Yeah I put it on. I watched the film for what felt like 10 minutes and fell asleep. No. And then turned to Joanna was like when did I put this on?

[00:32:22] She's like an hour 20 minutes ago. It's almost over because I was like it seems like it's almost over. But I feel like it just started this movie like it just sort of like breezes by I mean this is playing really well until my Brigadune theory because time works

[00:32:32] differently in Brigadune. I think it's also just I'd watched all these Nancy movies where you're always like fuck there's a fifth act like every time it like rears its ugly head where suddenly like we cut to six months later or something.

[00:32:44] Yeah and you're just like I forgot like there's 20 more minutes. Well you know every day is a century in these mountains. So this movie is set in the Brigadune Mountains and it's about Alice Kinney played by Reese Witherspoon who amazingly has never been in a Nancy Meyers movie.

[00:32:59] No and I think that's the main reason she did this. So when I auditioned for this it was to star Roseburn. Yes and I went well I can't believe they got Roseburn to do this because she at the time was like not doing romcoms.

[00:33:12] Right you know she was sort of being in boy comedies and still doing a lot of dramas and stuff. And then she ended up doing Juliet Naked which is sort of like a similar kind of and and Richard's beloved The Meddler. Wow not a romcom though.

[00:33:24] Well I guess it is between the frizz and serendim but it's sort of a light comedy quote unquote even though watching that movie for me is like like what I assume like World War II veterans feel like when they watch Save and Prev Orion. Right.

[00:33:36] I love my mother. Oh yes yes. It's your turn to talk now. The Meddler and this have a lot of similarities. I mean that film isn't the young daughter having the romance but the sort of light like sort of relationship world like larger relationships comedy set in the

[00:33:54] entertainment industry. Yeah. You know. But I was surprised Roseburn was doing it and then they announced like oh Roseburn drops out and I'm like yeah okay that makes sense. Doesn't seem like the kind of movie she's interested in doing this was She's too young to.

[00:34:05] Right before she had done those sorts of things. I think this character was written younger at the time. Yeah. I feel like when I read it they wrote it up once it was Reese. Sure. And then they got Reese and I think the answer is.

[00:34:15] Because Reese is around 40. Well that's the interesting thing is that like you know it's Hallie Meyer Schar who was 30 when the movie came out and Nancy Meyers who's in her late 60s. Yeah. And so this character is in between them and so it's not

[00:34:27] about mom and it's not about daughter it's just about some weird kind of version of maybe both of them I don't know. Right. I mean clearly the Meyer Schier family is obsessed with Taurus right it's like this thing that they like can't get. It's true. On all sides.

[00:34:40] And which is especially weird because you know the two of them did a record reconcilable differences together but it seems to be this like you know this original sin that like everything has to revolve around but but I think I remember reading the script and

[00:34:56] the character being much closer to Hallie Meyer Schier's real age. Right. And then I think if Reese Brothersville wants to do it you rewrite it to make it Reese and I think it works better when the age difference is a little more pronounced. It has to be. Yeah.

[00:35:11] It seems almost weird because then it's like if she's like 33 or whatever. Yeah. Then what we're talking about so many of my kids when she was like 20. I found the script really annoying when that was like that classic Hollywood thing where everyone has to

[00:35:23] have had a kid at the youngest age possible to justify the generational gap. And it also felt at the time and I may be misremembering this but it felt at the time like oh this character is really unlikable because of how much she's overselling

[00:35:37] how much older she is than these boys when she's not that different age. Right. You know whereas like 40 and 27 there's a big generational gap. It's like my therapist gets mad at me and I say I went on a date with a younger guy and he's like how old

[00:35:49] and like 29 he's like Richard that's right. It's barely anything. But so it's like 27 and 33 like isn't the same thing as like 27 and 40. Yeah it's a big difference. Right. And the life cycles you know she's gone through and all of that. And I think like Reese at this

[00:36:03] point like this is her first romantic comedy in a while because they just weren't fucking getting made anymore. So it seemed odd like Reese Witherspen is doing like an indie romantic comedy for open road but it's like but otherwise she's not going to get her fix.

[00:36:15] She started like. She's walking around Hollywood and Vine tapping her wrist going right. I think her genre kind of died and she's had a really good sort of like dramatic actress reinvention. But I think she still just loves being in these types of movies. It seems really pleasant

[00:36:31] you're surrounded by beautiful furniture of food Pico Alexander like it's why not. And she's someone who knows how to do this with a real light touch and it's like OK the last time she did one of these was how do you know which lost so much fucking

[00:36:41] money and essentially killed the genre kind of at a studio level right because post then her career is Water for Elephants which was the best movie about Water for Elephants Water for Elephants. Yeah exactly. Other than Wait a Water for Elephants. Is Kristoff Walt still running that circus?

[00:36:59] Yeah he is. And it's just if you ever have to interview him you have to go to the circus. I hope you enjoy my trapeze artist. Greatest showman too is about them squaring off right? Yes. And he's riding an elephant. Yeah. Then this means war.

[00:37:16] Right which was like. Which is got a badge. Real abomination. Right but that's like maybe studios will still make romantic comedies if they're disguised as another genre. If they're like romantic comedies for boys. There's a gun in it. With guns. And everyone's like fuck this. Yeah.

[00:37:30] That's also her with two younger guys which is kind of interesting. Yeah. And it's two great actors and the movie's a nightmare. Yeah three great actors. It's three actors I love like three of my favorite working movie stars and that movie is a fever. Angela Bassett's in it.

[00:37:42] Four of my favorite. Then that Adam McGoyan movie Devil's Not which like I don't even know if that came out. So that was like during Colin Furf right? She was trying to get back on track and so she was doing like more serious stuff.

[00:37:54] I'm going to go back to roots. Yeah. And that was West Memphis three movies. Yeah. Right. That's right. It's like why make that movie when you have like two different documentaries about them that are really good. But that was like could really play that didn't really

[00:38:07] work then she does mud. Yeah. She's really fucking great in mud. And then she has because the McConaissance was happening at the same time as she was kind of trying to open up. And I think mud start to make people like They both debuted together

[00:38:19] and then that was kind of big for me. And so we're going to make a movie about the things we did. And I think it's really really important that you know, it's like a movie about the things you did in the movie and you made that movie with.

[00:38:32] You know, I was like, no, yeah, right. To Texan. No, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck you. Right. She's. Man on the moon. Yeah. She's from Tennessee. starring vehicles, she got Fincher to agree to make it. His first move was you're not playing the game. Amazing Amy. Yes.

[00:38:54] And then, but then that same year she did wild, which she's amazing in, which is another thing where she like produced it and optioned it. And right. And that's when I feel like she's regained her sort of critical respect.

[00:39:07] It is interesting though, because she is too old for both of those roles, which is the reason one of the reasons Fincher didn't want her. She's basically 40 at that point. But and in wild sometimes you're like, she come on like what's she supposed to be 28 years old?

[00:39:20] But it doesn't matter. She's so good. She's great. Yeah. So you just kind of don't care about it. Like and in Gone Girl, I think she probably could have pulled it off too. Like I'd love to see her. Well, the thing about her in Gone Girl.

[00:39:29] I think Rosamund Pike is amazing in Gone Girl. Yeah, she's great. And you know, Rosamund Pike benefited from the opportunity more in a way of that. Yes. Yes. But like, I mean, I'm so glad another like beautiful blonde white lady cut to be a movie star.

[00:39:42] But you know, I first knew Reese Witherspoon. I mean, from Far Off Place and For Man on the Moon, but also from like Freeway and election and stuff like that. Pleasant Wars. Right. She was doing. Pleasantville, she's a she's a meanie in that.

[00:39:53] She was like a good dark comedy actress. Yeah. So. Her intentions is like what creates her like cutesy in it. And then there's that annoying thing that I think happens a lot. She's in American Psycho too. Don't forget her head. Right. Right.

[00:40:04] The other thing that I think happens a lot with Romantic Comedy Actors is like, look at that. That's a great track record of her working with really good directors, giving great performances, really interesting parts. Right.

[00:40:15] And then she becomes a movie star and everyone goes like, oh, it's like Reese Witherspoon. That's like the thing she does. Yeah. And legally bond, which she should have gotten a fucking Oscar nomination for. How am I unbelievable in that film? Yes, she's great.

[00:40:26] But I think people go like, I think it's great. I just wrote something. Well, it'll be out now when this airs for the magazine about defending the Golden Globes musical comedy category. Sure. And like she got nominated for that and the Oscars were never going to do it.

[00:40:39] So. No, and that's like a private Benjamin level performance. Like that's like she should have gotten that kind of recognition, I think for that film. But then I feel like people start writing her off when she won the Oscar for Walk the Line.

[00:40:50] I remember people being like, well, I didn't know Reese Witherspoon could actually act like that. It's like, what about all of her work in the 90s? People also said she only won because it was a week here or whatever. You know, she's so good at walking.

[00:41:00] I will say that's probably my seventh favorite performance of hers. Oh, I love her. I just I would have given her Oscar for several things over that. I think she's better in wild. I think she's better in legally bomb, better in election.

[00:41:11] But I think she's better in wild. She's so good in election, but it's also like she's being used so incredibly well in that movie, so aggressive and strange. Yeah. But that's I think that's like one of those like once in a lifetime performances of just everything like.

[00:41:25] I think because of what Richard's saying, she's almost underrated and walked the line, which you have not seen. I've never seen. Well, but I have seen Hot Pursuit though. Right. In which she was in Hot Pursuit of Sophia Vergara.

[00:41:36] Right. The movie we defiantly announced we were going to see in the never did. Yeah. And you know, she's in a bunch of other shit. Who fucking? Anyway, all that said, yeah, her in this movie, it's it's it's nice to watch because it's very natural.

[00:41:48] She's just very much at home. She just knows what she's doing. And also it's like maybe she wanted a thing where it's like, you know, this is about a wealthy woman in her 40s. Yeah. New I mean, you know, race with her soon split up with Ryan

[00:42:01] Felipe earlier than 40. But like, you know, just I think two, you know, a couple of kids, like just kind of assessing that situation and sort of reflecting on it. You know, she's like proven herself. Like at this point now, OK, post-walt, she's gotten a second Oscar.

[00:42:13] She's made a couple really good well respected movies again. The nomination, sorry, you know, even having like gone girls, a producer, her good taste in developing things, big little lies. The lies is huge. Right. So then you're just like, yes, she should get to sit back

[00:42:26] and enjoy the fruits of her labor by doing that movie. The type of performance that no one gives her credit for, but that she clearly enjoys and is more skilled at than most people of her generation. Yeah, and nepotistic as it might be, like get a young female

[00:42:38] filmmakers film made, you know, that movie does not. I mean, it would have a harder time getting eyes on it, we even with Rose Byrne, you know, 100 percent. I mean, I just even though this was an open road film

[00:42:47] and it was like a pretty cheap film, you know, the film got, I think more attention in terms of seeming like a legitimate rom-com because Reese Witherspoon's in it, like Reese Witherspoon's this amazing piece of like rom-com art direction.

[00:43:02] But if you put her on screen, it like adds production value. It's sad that since this movie, she's been in one move. In her advice. No, that was before. Oh, which I think she's very good in that too. I know people are on that performance.

[00:43:16] I think she's very good then. She's been one film since then. It's going to blow your minds when you remember the movie that she's been in since then. If you don't cast very soon, I'm going to give you a great hint. OK. OK. Is she the lead now?

[00:43:28] No. She's like a major supporting role. She's like a major supporting role. It's not an and Reese Witherspoon. It's like the third lead. I don't think so. I forget the crediting for that movie was weird, this movie. It's got a weird billing. She was second-billed.

[00:43:41] She was second-billed in a movie. All right. Oh, oh, oh. She turns into a giant head of lettuce. Oh, God, of course, wrinklin' time. Yes. Right. What were you thinking of? It wasn't that clearly. No. No. No. I was thinking in the realm of that type of movie

[00:43:56] that I couldn't figure out what it was. God, yeah. Wrinklin' time. Right. And she has second-billed in that. This is what's it. This is what's it. That is a movie we will 100% cover someday on the show. You should. Oh, that movie is when I was like,

[00:44:07] Ava DuVernay is getting a blank check, assuming she just makes at least a couple more movies. Yeah. This is because that movie's crazy. Right. That movie's insane. That movie is crazy. Right. Like that's someone where we're just like, I can't wait until she has a slightly larger filmography

[00:44:20] and we can talk about it. Right. Yeah. Because you don't want to do a three-phile mini series. She's got four now if you count 13. Yeah. Especially if she makes a fucking New God's movie. Well, right. Yeah. But yeah, no, because it's like Big Little Lies is consuming her,

[00:44:33] I guess. Like she's just sort of not. She's got Draper James. You know, she's got her business. Yeah. She's got her Instagram, which is a full-time job. Yeah. She's got her like kind of odd veneration of the antebellum South. But you know. She just released her.

[00:44:47] Sweet Home Alabama. I just saw a target. She released like a cookbook memoir called like Whiskey and a Tea Cup. Yeah. She's doing a whole lifestyle. It's like her lifestyle. And if you look at her website, Draper James, because I follow her on all social media platforms. Yeah.

[00:45:00] That stuff is expensive. So she like the Meyer Shires appreciates the finer things. I mean, who wouldn't if they had that kind of money? Right. But she's got that sort of like Southern down home comfort thing that I think makes her look less like elitist than your groups.

[00:45:16] Your Blake Lively. Yeah. And I think Blake Lively is the worst. What was hers called? Preserve. Right. Yeah. She was trying to do a weird American West thing, but she lives upstate like it was a very odd. But even if Reese Witherspoon is like,

[00:45:28] oh yeah, I can afford these $400 paper clips. At least it's like, but they're Southern fried. You know, there's like that element rather than like the Gwen Poucher thing where it's like, don't fucking tell me a Walmart customer. What kind of shampoo I should buy? Right.

[00:45:41] I could go for a fried paper clip right about now. Well, that's the thing. Right. Like the reason why this thing is just that everything is like, ooh, a little touch of a mint. Yeah. Whereas like the Gwen Poucher one is like, this will give you psychic power.

[00:45:52] I would. The moons of Jupiter extract at this dust. But even the whiskey and sea cup thing, like I kind of like that like Reese Witherspoon owns the brand of being like a little bit tipsy, like a little bit in her.

[00:46:03] I was going to say that, you know, because we're recapping the movie. Like when she's out drinking with the boys, I was just like, I went and rewatched her getting arrested. Her dancing at weddings, like she's one of my favorite. Well, let's talk about Reese Witherspoon's greatest performance

[00:46:17] of the last decade. I'm an American. Well, that one's great. But the one who is it at the Met Ball where she's in the elevator? Oh, and she's like Cara Daly. How do you say your name? Yeah. Yeah. That's a classic one. Right.

[00:46:30] And then she says to someone else in the elevator, she's like, you want to know how you get men coming back? You do something so crazy. Crazy you'll have them whisper in your name into their pillow. Yeah. It's fucking cool. She's terrific.

[00:46:44] She's the business as Paul Thomas Anderson said when he locked the gates Reese Witherspoon is the fucking business. That's right. You know how she met Ryan Felipe is he was at her like 21st birthday party and she walked up to him.

[00:46:55] She was like, are you my birthday present? Really? Yeah. She said that in many interviews. Fucking Reese Witherspoon's mayor. Hadn't been in Cruel Intentions yet. They were they were like going to be. Yeah. I guess that must have been the case.

[00:47:06] They were like circling the young Hollywood parties probably, you know? Yeah, sure. So the Reese Witherspoon is the goddamn thing. I think that's true though, because I remember like whoever that wants the name of the director of Cruel Intentions. It's a fucking I know Roger. Right. Yeah.

[00:47:21] Because the guy directed Just Friends. Who's the one who went to jail for the drunk driving thing? That's the guy who directed Rules of Attraction. Oh, sure. Roger Avery. Yeah, yeah. Rich Robert, Roger Cumbull. Yeah. Who directed Just Friends and The Sweetest Thing. And College Road Trip.

[00:47:36] I don't even know what that one is. Martin Lawrence and Raven Simone. Sure. Oh, yeah. Sure. It's a Disney picture. I just remember it on like him being like saying how about bad he felt in Cruel Intentions because he has

[00:47:46] to like have them have a big fight and then kill Ryan Felipe and he was like, you know, they were they were in love and they were so cute together. I had to make them do all this horrible stuff.

[00:47:55] It's just weird that he made Cruel Intentions and then only made like super fucking broad comedies after that. He's a weird guy. He's a weird guy. Yeah. So the movie starts with a montage of John Kinney. Which I think is pretty well done. I do too.

[00:48:12] Like they use they fake old stuff, but they also use actual footage of Candice Morgan. Who is John? Like who's playing him? Who's the guy? I don't know. I didn't recognize him. Who do we think he's supposed to be kind of like?

[00:48:24] Because the legacy she crafts from is different than Charles Shire's legacy. How Ashby or something? I was thinking like Paul Mazursky, but a little more awarded. Yeah. Right because it's like David Nettles. But it's not like it's not like Coppola. It's not like the intense, you know.

[00:48:36] No, it's like a Paul Mazursky if he had had like like a James L. Brooks level hit in his career maybe. You know, because it feels like he's more prolific and more of like a strictly filmmaker than James L. Brooks was.

[00:48:50] But it's that kind of like he makes relationship drama, he's he probes the human condition. They seem light. He's big in the 70s. I was like an Ashby or Mazursky or some kind of you know person that young filmmakers and actors lion eyes. OK. Right? All right. Yeah.

[00:49:06] Yeah. Right. Good at movies, bad at women. OK. Right. He's he's kind of a cad. But loves his daughter. Right. He's sort of the who would be the protagonist of a Nancy Meyers movie. Yeah. But he's dead by the time this film starts. But he's dead. Right.

[00:49:19] Instead of being alive. So Halle has killed Nancy's darling, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's what feels kind of symbolic. Yes. Yes. And she lives in this sort of. His house. Lovely house that's sort of like a weird mausoleum to his career. I guess.

[00:49:33] She was living in England with her husband. New York. Oh, they're in New York. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because her husband's like a music producer. He's looking for the next Sam Smith. Yeah. In my who's doing a concert in Miami, which is I don't think where you would find

[00:49:45] the next Sam Smith. No. No, no. Takes the longest pause after saying like, I need to stay here for this concert. He might be the new Sam Smith. Like he puts such a fine point on the enormity of what he's saying.

[00:49:58] It's also weird to hear in a movie that looks like a Nancy Meyers movie, anyone, any reference to anyone who isn't like, you know, Carly Simon or something like from 1970. That something's got to give opens with Butterfly? Well, because she wrote that song. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

[00:50:17] Nancy Meyers was the ghostwriter of Crazy Town's entire debut album. She invented rock, rap as a thing. She did. It was her idea and she spent years trying to undo her best mistake. What if it turned out that Nancy Meyers

[00:50:30] was like Jada Pinkett Smith, where she like secretly has this rap rock band under an alias? Right. You know about Jada Pinkett Smith's rap rock band, right? I do. We've talked about it on this very podcast, I think. I can look it up. Yeah. Do you remember her?

[00:50:41] Because you remember the name. She wears like a dread wig and like Jinko's. Yeah. She really. Like baggy Jinko's. She wears her matrix costume. Yes. Wicked Wisdom. There we go. And is it W-I-Z? No, it looks like it's just regular Wicked Wisdom. They did a show at Osvast 2005.

[00:51:01] That rules. Yeah, Sharon Osborn went to see them perform at a small nightclub and she was blown away. Wow. So she was the one who hooked that up. I guess so. Yeah. So she is separated from her husband. She moves into her father's house.

[00:51:17] Her mom doesn't live there. Lives somewhere else, Lillian. Yeah. Played by Candice Bergen. You see some shots of like 70s Candice Bergen. Yeah. Gorgeous. Such a holly. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. Lebron Bergen getting buckets from half court. She's trying to start an interior design business, I guess.

[00:51:36] Kind of. She makes a joke early on where she's like, am I just one of those people who like any creative thing they do? Like. Well, she's supposed to be sort of a dilettante because when she's having birthday dinner with her

[00:51:45] friends, she's like talking about all these other careers and it's like, well, that must be nice. Exactly. So she's just kind of a... But right. She's... Flippertidgymint? I don't know how you do. What's the word for her? Flippertidgymint is probably the right word.

[00:51:59] And she goes out for a drink with her friends. Uh-huh. And gets real crunk. Jen Kirkman. And so there's a funny thing about Jen Kirkman because I put on my notes all caps, where is Jen Kirkman? Yeah, she doesn't come back. She dissape...

[00:52:13] Well, not only doesn't she not come back, she disappears from that scene. Yeah. Because it's just her and Dolly Wells hanging out after a certain point, you're like, I guess Jen Kirkman's character just had to go home or something. Or it's just like...

[00:52:23] Kirkman only had one day available. Yeah, that's what it feels like. She's a comedian, like in a funny one at that. I love Jen Kirkman. Like, I... She's also one of those people where like, if romantic comedies were still being made regularly,

[00:52:33] she would be running the table on parts like this. Like the two-teen over drinks, like giving advice. It would be her and Katelyn Olsen just going at it. Right, that's the thing. There are like so many actors like that who like as we've been doing this mini series

[00:52:44] realizing like, fuck, that's what this person would be doing if these movies still got made. Right. You know, they'd be the best friends in this. They would be the boss in this. Like that's the zone that they're not getting cast in.

[00:52:54] I mean, I've said this like a fucking thousand times, but if I was Jennifer Lawrence, I would go to my agents right now and say like, I want to make an Nancy Meyers movie. I want to use whatever remaining like movie star capital I have

[00:53:06] to try to make a straight down the middle like my best friend's wedding, like career revival, rom-com to remind everyone that I'm charming and get over like the press and the baggage and all of that. It may be seem like I actually enjoy the work of acting. Right.

[00:53:18] And let Nancy like get a whole new batch of character actors and on the rise movie starts to fill up the supporting cast. Steal a bunch of people from TV. Right, yeah. You know, they're out there. Yeah. So Alice hits it off with Harry played by Pico Alexander.

[00:53:35] Yeah. Who is a mannequin that was brought to life. A beautiful mannequin. A beautiful, I say as a compliment. Yes, a mannequin from Brooks Brothers or the Gap or something wearing a nice sports coat. Where you're like, they really carved some detail into that mannequin.

[00:53:47] It's a specific face. And I do. Do we know, like, is there any real indication of what their connection is? Apart from that, he's super cute. He's super hot. She's super hot. Yeah, she's just kind of going for it, I guess.

[00:54:00] And yeah, because they don't ever say like, oh, he'd like to date older women or anything like that. Like it's just sort of you see him indiscriminately hitting on everyone at the bar, right? Because he's like hitting on. He's hitting on the bartender until Reese Weathersburg comes over

[00:54:16] and then he immediately like shifts gears. Like he just seems like, you know, he's a big game hunter. Yeah, right. Yeah. But like she just for whatever reason, maybe he could like smell like the birthday on her. Yeah, she's turning 40. She's a little vulnerable.

[00:54:30] Oh, also maybe she was paying buying. What? Maybe maybe she and Dolly Wells were buying because it was they have money and the kids don't have that would be a great detail for them to put in the movie. Right.

[00:54:39] That he's like, oh, we should get them to buy us drinks. Do you know Pico Alexander's real name? I do, but I already forgot it. Alexander Lukash Jogala. Right. He's like Polish. His father is a DP, I believe. OK, I did a movie with him.

[00:54:54] He was in the Steve Kogan movie. Oh, really? Is he nice? Yeah, he's a nice guy. But but like the whole camera crew on on the tick knew his dad or whatever they'd always be like, what's what's the Lagash kid's name again? Oh, interesting. You know, yeah.

[00:55:09] The Pico. What's what's the what's the name he uses now? You know, right? Pico is a childhood nickname, apparently. Yes. Yeah. And he's I mean, he's I remember Bobby saying he didn't think that he was good in this movie, but like, I think he's good.

[00:55:22] I think he does what he needs to do. He's just doesn't make sense as we said, right? Like you should but like as a cute boy, a cute nice boy, he's totally fine. It's so fine. He's quite attractive too. I don't know if anyone knows.

[00:55:33] Got a good face. Yeah. That was a lot of your review was talking about that. It's a good review. I remember when you posted that review, that one and the the Kingsman, the Golden Circle. Oh yeah. A lot of people shared those two reviews as like, hey

[00:55:47] critics, this is how you talk about someone being attractive in a movie without being creepy. Well, except that if it's if a straight guy did that, it would be creepy. Do you know what I mean? Wasn't it?

[00:55:56] I think maybe I think there might be some way to do it. I don't mean I know what you mean. Obviously I think there's a delicacy and a self awareness to the way you the language you used around that because it was the same time that like I

[00:56:07] forget what it was, but there was one of those fucking reviews that was like a David Adelson or something that was like circulating. Yeah. How are there four graphs on their legs? Sure. You know? Wonder Woman was one of them. Right. Yeah. Right. And like I did that.

[00:56:22] I think it was a little weird the Richard called him a prime cut of VL that was looking at him. I don't know. Look, I call them like a season. No, I was weird that you somehow got a wuga in there for different times. Right.

[00:56:36] You kept on talking about slathering him in garlic butter. And then I really made a typo when I was like, sorry, I should type with two hands. Remember when Anthony Lane had the thing? What was it? What was the movie where Anthony Lane was like, oh, Incredibles 2, right?

[00:56:51] Where he's like my popcorn went everywhere. Right. Oh, God, that's right. About a fucking cartoon. Well, and then the other one was when he had past and future guest friend of the show, Lola Kirkon and wrote his horrible review of Gemini. Yeah.

[00:57:02] But he was obsessed with her clothes. That they weren't hot enough. And I in my review are not knowing. His definition weren't hot enough. Not knowing that that review is coming in. My review had written like a whole paragraph of how great her wardrobe was in Gemini.

[00:57:15] And like my bosses were like, look, David did a good job not doing that week. I remember. I just feel like you and your in those reviews talk about like, I'm not going to pretend I don't find these guys attracted

[00:57:27] and that that isn't a factor like the enjoyment of the movie. Well, it's it's you weren't like describing their glutes, you know? No, God, no. Right. You were saying like, we have to admit that this is like an aesthetic aspect of films

[00:57:39] and you talk about it, not be creepy. I put the Amazing Spider-Man on my top 10 of the year list that year, partly mostly because I love Andrew Garfield and I think he has great chemistry with Emma Stone. You know, stand by that today.

[00:57:49] Now, I haven't I haven't rewatched it. Yeah, because I feel like that was like an early like Garfield where it's like the Pickens were slim. We didn't have a lot of sample size. And now yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know it's funny.

[00:57:58] I've listened back to episodes that I'm on or like or looked at the Reddit that you guys have. And they're like a lot of jokes about like, I mean, I don't know if I'm stealing Karen's bit, but like boys and I'm like,

[00:58:08] I just hope people don't think that I'm like, I'm like, latched. But no, no. I mean, in fact, there are a couple of people on the Reddit who have talked about their plans to marry you. Oh, good. I've sent these links to you. Yeah. No.

[00:58:20] Richard's turning full red. Yeah. Pico. So Pico. Yeah. Goes home. Yes. With Alice and the other kids come. The other kids come. Everyone's parting. And it's interesting. So it's it's not. That part's not happening. Yeah. Griffin like wander through the dimensional tunnel,

[00:58:39] but he got stuck in the montage. You can't get out. I'm in the library from Interstellar. You're in the old 70s. We're just playing the song. We're going to look at work. David, I got to watch the movie again at some point

[00:58:48] and Griffin's going to be in the old photo. He's in Bergen's eye. Ah, what about? I'm trying to push the watch off the shelf and the song is just playing in an endless loop. Yeah. So they they they're going to hook up. Yeah.

[00:59:01] They're going to have sexual intercourse. They've gotten kicked out of the Florida Project Motel. Oh, that's right. By one of the three people of color in the film. Yes. By the most depressing instance of writing and the other guys who's like, get out. I want to my rent.

[00:59:15] Like, you know, I'm like, you're like, oh, no money, no bed. Like that level. Right. Right. Right. But even the way they set this up, I mean, they have she has a pretty good sort of like like tracking Dolly shop with them as they're like walking

[00:59:28] through and Rudnitsky and Wolfer are like, where are we going? Because like, well, figure something out. Parking lot. Yeah. Right. But the idea is that in the background, as the shot is like, like following them, you see Nat Wolfe who's like hitting on a girl

[00:59:41] and they have to pull him away to get him back into the action. And at that moment, I was like, wait, and Pico Alexander isn't playing that character. Like even before I understood what the three positions were, it just felt like no, he should be the guy

[00:59:53] who's like constantly flirting with. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Anyway, the three boys have made Queen's Boulevard. Right. And they're homeless. Yeah. Yeah, they made a five minute short that as far as I can tell is about like a huckstaff.

[01:00:05] Like a black and white silent short about a pocket. Yeah. Someone stealing a pocket. Right. And it features the second personal color in the movie. Yes. Right. The third is a pizza man. It's weird because they keep on saying

[01:00:16] like the movie has to be in black and white and then you see the film and it looks sort of like a 16 millimeter student film, but in a time period where you know that they wouldn't have done that, they've shot it on an iPhone.

[01:00:26] It literally has Queen's Boulevard. Yeah. It is. Which is in black and white. Although they say it's set in Brooklyn. It's Brooklyn Avenue. I just love that until when you see the like five seconds of footage, everyone talks about the movie so much

[01:00:39] and you get no sense of what the movie is other than it's really arty. Yeah. People love it and it's in black and white. The agent was like best thing I saw at Sundance. In the real world, wasn't like the arty short

[01:00:50] that everyone was after that was in black and white full of boys Don's Plum, which is a movie that everyone fucking like it says it's a horror movie that although they completely buried it. So it's like I feel like it's a weird choice to be like.

[01:01:02] I think it's like the short hand of like an arty movie. Right. It's like that it has to be black and white. You know what? I think the analog of what the career trajectory she's picturing is. It's the Wilson Brothers and Wes Anderson doing Bottle Rocket

[01:01:14] where like that's their black and white 16 millimeter short that was like eight minutes that's like charming and like, you know, they're the actors and the writers. A small time crook or whatever. Right. They're like a team that came together and we're like on camera behind the camera writing

[01:01:28] all of that the movie screen in Texas. Right. It was stylish. Yeah, it's a South by not something right. That's right. That's the thing he saw at South by and I immediately went. It's not that hard. But I think that's who she's sort of like analoguing them to

[01:01:40] because it's also this idea of like these are three guys who want to be doing everything together. Like it's a package deal where it's always going to be like writer director star. Yeah. And the two of them are brothers,

[01:01:49] Wolfen, Pico and then Rudnitsky is just their neurotic friend. Yeah, the Dorsey brothers. And then right there. But there's no like a fraternal relationship between them because because we're free as much more, you know, in this toward the center of things

[01:02:06] where that was character is just like off to the side. They are to fight Michael Sheen. Right. I guess so. He doesn't have any purpose. Yeah. He's also arguably the most famous of the three. Kind of inarguably the most famous of the three actors.

[01:02:16] Though he suffers from a problem of people can't tell him from his brother. Yeah. The other wolf, Alex Wolfe, which one's in her editorial? Alex Wolfe. OK. Alex is the one who's a little darker because he's like, he was in her editor.

[01:02:27] He was in Patriots Day, was like, that wolf was in a fucking paper hearts or whatever. Right. Paper towns. Right. What confuses is that then Alex Wolfe was also in Jumanji, which feels like it should be a net wolf. Right. And that wolf was in Death Note,

[01:02:43] which feels like it should be an Alex Wolfe part. So lately they've been mixing up. They're driving me crazy. And Rudnitsky had done one season on SNL, right? And but the thing is when he got hired, he was like

[01:02:54] one of those people where people went back and looked at old tweets and old stand up. Even before. And he had done like some really like racially charged tumor about like USC being in the ghetto or whatever. Most of his stand up is if you watch the videos

[01:03:09] that I've seen when he got hired. And I was like, who is this guy? He does a lot of stand up about the size of his penis. Oh, OK. Interesting. Is it large? Small. Oh, OK. I'm not talking at school here. This is 90 percent of his material.

[01:03:22] And then he just like gets up and he's like, my dick is. My dick is, you know, it's not the biggest. And then he'll go on about that for like six minutes. Everyone laughs at the comedy store and then he got an SNL. But I love the industry.

[01:03:32] Yes. But the other thing is they found the offensive tweets, right? He was someone who came out of nowhere. They almost fired him like before he even started on SNL. And then it was also a series of like year after year.

[01:03:44] There'd be all these people who were talked about as like really good character comedians and sketch actors who didn't get on. And then they would just hire one male stand up who didn't have sketch experience. And it was like David Sandbrooks, Will and him.

[01:03:58] I think there's maybe one other than I'm forgetting. But then his first sketch on the show after all of this blowback from him going from like unknown 20 year old to like SNL cast member. Maybe he's a little older. He's like young. Yeah.

[01:04:12] Was the opening sketch of first episode, his first season starts with him as Anderson Cooper, moderate. Oh, God, that's right. And he does the sort of like most fam, prissy Anderson Cooper impression. Was a landmark low. Yeah. And everyone just immediately was like, oh, fuck this so hard.

[01:04:32] Yeah. Because it was like he had never seen Anderson Cooper before. And all he heard is it's a gay guy and he played him like Sean Hayes. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, it does not. It was fired.

[01:04:40] I bring that up because it's weird that, I mean, maybe it's a testament to his acting ability. He's charming in this. I think he's the best of the boys. Yeah. That's the thing is he's really good in this. Yeah. And the other thing is.

[01:04:50] He gets its wavelength really well. It was a smaller role, but he's good in set it up too. Like it feels like this is actually what he's good at. I hope he's going to be good in set it up too.

[01:05:00] The sequel to set it up that Netflix better make. Right. Set it back up. Set it down. Yeah. I'm tired. Set it down. No, but. Set that down. Do they have kids now? The kid keeps picking up some antiques.

[01:05:11] I think throughout the entire cast, he's behind only Reese in terms of totally getting the wavelength and the vocabulary of like romantic comedy close ups. Well, yeah. There's a very specific kind of like acting and physical energy and

[01:05:23] comic timing and how you sell a close up and all that sort of shit. And he's like really in it. I mean, the way that these boys, maybe I'm just speaking for myself because children terrifying me, but like the way that these boys

[01:05:35] interact with her children in this very natural way is like kind of off putting in not so off putting like Meryl Streep's adult children. It's complicated who are like all ghouls that should be sent back to hell. Right.

[01:05:49] But there's a little bit something off about it, but Radnitzky, like he's the one who's more natural. Right. You know, he has like full scenes just with her. When that wolf like relays problems with the daughter's three sisters, you're like, OK, back the fuck up.

[01:06:01] Yeah, it's really interesting. Why are you getting their business? And you actually like by that he's like a good mentor to her. Yeah, even just them in the car together when he's struggling, like he really makes every scene partner in the movie look better when he's with them.

[01:06:15] Yeah. Yeah. So I guess maybe he's redeemed himself. Yeah. Anyway, so they don't sleep together because Pico Dick no work. You also work. He drunk. He drunk. He got pukes. Yeah. Pico Piki and what else? And then they move in. They move in.

[01:06:34] They wake up the next morning. Reese has shifted from like, let's do this to like full on like Uber mom, like she's basically like Pico is about to vomit. She's like, let me get you like a warm towel when he's like,

[01:06:45] you're so maternal, you should be a mother. Wakes up. She's been up for two hours. She's already washed and ironed his shirt. Right. She's like washing ironed him and he's naked. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. And she's just like she's covered in burns. It's horrifying. Yeah. Right.

[01:07:03] Everything must be ironed in Alice's house. He looks like Daniel Stern in Home Alone where he's just got the hot iron imprint. That is an image that's like seared into my brain is that the iron. Seared like a hot iron. Yeah. And right.

[01:07:16] And the boys are all still there and she's kind of trying to make it clear like, hey, like, you know, this is a mom's house. Like, you know, none of your partying. Right. Because the daughters are like what the fucks going on. Fairly. Right. Yes.

[01:07:28] They're fair to say that. And then of course, LeBron shows up. Why are you calling her LeBron? Because she gets buckets. Candice Bergen. So she was filming Book Club next door and she goes just like, oh, hey, I'll pop in. Yeah. You saw Book Club.

[01:07:40] It's a movie full of three pointers from LeBron Bergen. Yeah. She's great. I mean, Candice Bergen rules. Yeah. She is perfect casting as a lady who was like a sex symbol in the 70s. That is now just an awesome old lady. Yeah.

[01:07:54] Which also Candice Bergen shows up a lot on Nancy Meyers Instagram. I like the idea that Nancy Meyers seemingly is very close and regularly hanging out with Candice. They're similar age. And Diane. Yeah, right, right, right. So she just needs to complete the Book Club quartet. Mm-hmm. Sure.

[01:08:09] She needs to make a Fonda movie. Book Club origin. Just about people going like we should have a book club. Book Club origins Wolverine. Sure luck Book Club. And I mean this is the thing where it's like there's no other explanation.

[01:08:31] It's just that Candice Bergen shows up as like you should have the boys live here. You should give them a chance. Well, because when they first are there and the boys put together that it's the Kenny house because Red Nitsky wanted to run into the room. Right.

[01:08:42] He's he's so into a camera. There's this loving close-up of the camera and you see his gas fucking picnic right film. He sees the Oscar. He comes out. They put it all together. Why does people Alexander think she looks so familiar? Oh my God.

[01:08:54] I guess she's like the Jenna Rollins now to his chassapetti. Yeah. She didn't act as much. But right. Smaller parts. She's in all this movie. Right. Which is sort of said in this kind of backhand way. Right. But she wasn't really an actress outside of that. Right.

[01:09:06] And she's like oh you boys are so cute. Alice they live here now. Well this first first she's very dismissive. They're like you know we're filmmakers too and she's like kids. It's like everyone's a film. Right. That's true. Like fuck off. Right.

[01:09:19] Then Reese is like I got to take a kiss. She also has a stokey in her mouth. And she's wearing a Paris suspender. Right. And she keeps snapping aggressive. She keeps heading on Joan Crawford. Yeah. She hits her on her comment.

[01:09:32] She says prepare the standard rich and famous contract for Kermit the frog in France. And then right she watches their movie is the idea right. The short. Okay what happens is Reese takes the kids to school. She's like I can't even deal with this.

[01:09:44] When she's in the car she realizes the daughter has left her book report at home. Sure. Drops them off. It's a reason for her to go straight back home as fast as she can. And in those 30 minutes the boys have so thoroughly charmed Candice

[01:09:57] Bergen and so sold their abilities that she's like I think these kids got it. Don't you want to be the woman who said they were sleeping on my couch. Which is like weird. Weird. Like if fucking Damien Chazelle had rolled up to my house eight years ago.

[01:10:12] And even if I thought he was talented I would have been like you got to sleep on this couch so I got those bragging rights forever that you were on this very couch. Like on the criterion of Bottle Rocket there's like a whole long

[01:10:23] documentary about like the Wilson's and Anderson's when James Brooks and Platt discovered them and we're trying to get them to write the screenplay. Like in the position these boys are in. Right. And they're talking about like yeah they were like sleeping on our

[01:10:35] couches they would like stay out every night like we couldn't get them to sit down and write the thing. And they talk about it like this is Brooks is talking about this his producing partners talking about this and like with pride about the fact

[01:10:47] that it turned out well. But they're like it was so fucking annoying that we couldn't get these boys to like behave like no one wants to be like you know it's not worth it for the bragging right to be like four more children now.

[01:10:58] Yeah we're in dimension X we're in dimension so these boys right are nice. Yes. Well there is a funny weird janky moment when Nat Wolfe is like getting a sweater or something and like falls out yeah yeah

[01:11:12] and she's like you know I know last night aside like this is like you're all grown men with lives in agency. Yes and agents but she's like you know it's not that it's not a party house it's this kind of house but then she says something

[01:11:25] that I think is nice she's like let's just try not to cramp each other's styles so she's not saying like you can't drink or smoke weed or whatever when you're here she's just saying like let's you know yeah you don't ask don't tell yeah right.

[01:11:35] I think it's a nice little touch right and what why does she goes back to her bedroom and smokes a fat blunt yeah so the subsection of this movie is that she has a heroin problem. But she's definitely tweaking throughout this movie.

[01:11:47] What's the meaning after her saying like so let's just live our separate lives and not encroach by the way runitsky can you take my daughter to her guitar rehearsal. And also she's got the iron in her hand and she's approaching Pico Alexander with a weird.

[01:12:03] So yeah right runitsky right away is drafted into like it's one of those things where she's like oh no she has to go and I haven't done contingency for this like who will drive my daughter. It's like yeah this has never happened before in anyone's life.

[01:12:15] Millions of dollars. Yes right because she's got to go see Lake Bell I guess right so this is the weirdest part of the movie is she's now decided that she's an interior decorator the job she gets is Lake Bell who's a socialite they say.

[01:12:27] So just a rich person like an annoying rich airhead right. She says socialite but yeah right and we put together like this whole fucking look book yeah yeah and Lake Bell I think it's great in this yeah sure she's funny kind of doing

[01:12:39] it from a different movie that sort of you know like skewering Los Angeles whereas the rest of the movie is like a reviewer in Los Angeles. She's super heightened and she's from like a and it's complicated like I mean almost like if you're like a character it's

[01:12:52] complicated if you're like Bell and you get handed the script you're like oh I get this right this is just a nasty rich person sure I did this two days yeah fine and then right and you're thinking like oh the Lake Bell is going

[01:13:03] to play into stuff like no good now. No well there's a drunken confrontation but even that is like pretty whatever and oh and it was when she's on a date with the guy from. Hi maintenance yeah what's his name Ben Sinclair he's so good.

[01:13:17] What is also that's another janky thing where you're like what the fuck is Ben Sinclair doing in a Nancy Meyers movie. He's funny what's the line he says at the beginning and he goes and they never found my brother so yeah that's why

[01:13:26] I don't like boats yeah yeah yeah they enter in in media res with a really funny dark line like that to show how badly the dates going but like well I like that he's not like yeah he's an asshole that he's just like this is a weird

[01:13:38] sense this guy right and it's just I just the plot the Lake Bell plot seems to be like it shouldn't work. Hey to me as we go over this like thing so she thinks she's getting hired to be an interior designer she gets there

[01:13:53] turns out she's already hired someone else do some of the work they had a falling out so now she wants her to just be the person who receives the packages that the other woman ordered but then very quickly becomes a personal

[01:14:02] assistant job where it's like can you give my daughter a bath right and then she shows up one day and the actual interior designer is there right and apparently Lake Bell said this new woman creeps me out this one I haven't let do

[01:14:15] any interior design can you please come back with a raise. Right yeah that's and then we spoke gals at her drunkenly right that's it that's the whole and the point is like work sure is annoying yeah works like don't be an interior

[01:14:29] designer where you could just do nothing raise some boys later in the movie we see her she has some sort of image mood board she's working on some other new project I guess it's implied but like there's really nothing about like the

[01:14:41] tagline starting over isn't for beginners what does she start over it's just because she that she moved to New York to Los Angeles. That's literally it right. She wants to be an interior designer right and her website

[01:14:53] was really bad at the beginning of the movie because it had a whole paragraph about how depressed she is but then Alex Wolfe made her a new web or not Wolf. No and no Alex made the right you're right now. Wolf made her website on Wix.

[01:15:05] Did you see the prominent Wix Stamping? I did yeah anyway the other aspect of this movie is the Michael Sheen thing. Yes so we're all leasing around the boys are being nice. Yeah they're nice big and special boys and the boys

[01:15:18] they're all dressed very well they're dressed nicely they wear nice sports jackets and they have their own little producer subplot that will get to in a second. Yes where they're hanging out with Jason Blum I guess. Yeah he's supposed to be Jason Blum right.

[01:15:31] I mean I don't know does Jason Blum live in like a you know Rococo mansion on the yeah in Malibu. I live with him. Oh right right if you're urban to my house you've been to Jason Blum's house.

[01:15:42] Yeah Jason Blum played by Reed Scott which is again it's another one where it's like Hollywood phonies right and you're like oh what is this going to be important. No no taking a jam at him and also like how he's

[01:15:55] taking a bite guys I only make three types of movies. Female centric comedy is like real this guy makes female centric comedy that seems incongruous with everything else he's developed to be. Is that supposed to be a jab at him producing the gem in the holograms movie.

[01:16:10] Maybe I don't know. But yeah Michael Sheen who's got luscious fucking hair. He looks so good. His hair and Pico's hair it's just like this is quite a thing. And she's beard is really good too. He's got some really gorgeous white streaks like a lion. He's just like.

[01:16:29] This was his audition to play Mufasa right. He's successful. He's doing it up in Bristol in the UK. Well James Earl Jones is doing the voice for the Favreau movie but Michael Sheen is going to be the on screen.

[01:16:44] He's the only non CG character they're just pointing the camera right at him. Right. Yeah I don't know what. I would love it if you went to see The Lion King and just like unannounced Michael Sheen. He's a music producer. He's looking for the next Sam Smith.

[01:17:01] He's scouring the fucking globe looking for the next Sam Smith. Particularly Miami. Miami. I guess he's a jerk and he keeps calling being like I just miss you guys or whatever. He wants the next Sam Smith because we need a second openly

[01:17:15] gay person to win an Oscar because remember Sam Smith was the first right. What a milestone for everyone. No but the Michael Sheen conversations are all like this. I miss you guys. I wish I could be there. You can be here. No I wish I could I can.

[01:17:27] That's like the cycle over. He catches wind I guess that like three grown man are living at his daughter's house. Right. One who builds a house had a straw one builds a house had a brick. Sort of saying. Yeah. And so he comes a running. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:17:40] He just sort of shows up. Yeah. And then tries to like sort of alpha them. Yeah and kind of fairly is like why didn't you mention right there are three like sexual beings living in the guest house but he keeps on sort of daughters.

[01:17:53] He keep a big dog in them with like the like I wouldn't have understood it at your age either. Yeah right. I do love like this is Michael Michael Sheen has like a quite a reputation for running through the actresses of Hollywood. Uh huh. Yep.

[01:18:09] And I feel like very often the party is cast to play or very in Congress with what you hear about Michael Sheen's right because Michael Sheen is usually cast as like the Elphin MC of the weird club. That hero goes through right yeah right or a

[01:18:21] fucking conscious like professor right or a robot bartender right and then you're like but he's speaking in right. Right. Right. And then you like read about it right and it's like everyone on Masters of Sex was falling in love with him

[01:18:37] and he was like discarding them like fucking sticks a gum Michael Sheen's the Warren Beatty of our time. Like truly like that guy is five to I just put up my headphones again but I will say this I've heard him

[01:18:50] on a couple podcasts we're just like Jesus fucking Christ this guy is charming like I like as an actor and he's a great actor on like comedy bang bang or something. I was like I was really funny and you think about like how

[01:19:00] he has a very amicable relationship with the mother of his daughter. He's always got back and sales really funny on Instagram so she's so I feel like there's just like this like secret world of famous actors who were like funny really cool and he's with Kate Beck

[01:19:14] and sale they're not married but they're together they have a child well they're not I don't think they're even together anymore he's doing what I'm saying this is the timeline because I find this fascinating Sheen and Beck and sailor maybe

[01:19:25] kind of common law right but not officially married they both get cast in Underworld Kate Beck and sale leaves him for Len Wiseman director of Underworld Michael Sheen continues to do the Underworld franchise it shows you good role no sense of competition. Yeah. Yeah. Werewolves. Yes.

[01:19:43] Which one is he thinking I think he's a life is raised leader of the like hands. I've never seen this. Sarah Silverman has said in interviews like oh yeah we broke up because he moved back to London after his daughter went to college but we still like

[01:19:58] sleep together when he's in LA and like that's so open and honest and like real. Rachel McAdams. Yeah. One of the other masters of sex stars Caitlin Fitzgerald I think her name is. Yeah. Who's great. And who we've covered in this miniseries is one

[01:20:12] of the weird alien children and it's complicated. Yeah that's right. That's right. Another person who would be in every Nancy movie if Nancy was regularly making. I don't know there was also that thing recently where it was like Michael Sheen I'm retiring from acting was like an article

[01:20:26] and then when he clicked on the article he was like I'm not retiring from acting or anything like that. I'm just not going to make a movie for a year. Right. He was like I want to focus on politics. Yeah right. Right.

[01:20:34] He was like freaked out post Brexit. Yeah he's an amazing amazing actor. I love Michael Sheen in like serious stage plays and then it's stuff like this. It's like oh OK. Yeah. Right. Here he is. The other thing that's fascinating about him is

[01:20:46] he was one of those guys who is stuck in that zone where it's like he's always the supporting performance against the person who gets the Oscar nomination. Yeah. Ross Nixon. You know the Queen. The Queen which he's so good in. Yeah I love him in that movie.

[01:20:58] That was the thing he plays Freddie Mercury. In England he was this stage actor. And he once would be talking about that movie in December when this airs. No one is going to know what you're right for. OK. No one will know.

[01:21:10] You know in England yeah he was this like celebrated stage actor who would do all these like really out there performances and then he became the guy who was great at playing Tony Blair. He played Tony Blair like four times. The resemblance is there.

[01:21:25] It is and he just nailed the sort of Smarm and like you know the like weird like charm like versus Smarm thing. And then it was what's his name decided he kept I kept on Morgan wanted to continue making Blair films so he got a little franchise. Right.

[01:21:38] And then Morgan's like I'm going to do a David Frost movie can you like kind of do your Blair again like you know except even Smarmier like you know Michael Sheen became his avatar right. He's still going to the Damned United too which is another Peter Morgan.

[01:21:49] Like 2003 he's in Underworld so that starts to put him in like the rotation for doing those sort of like page on things right. He's in the Twilight's he's in Blood Diamond which is another one where like the lead then gets nominated. He was also supposed to play Blair

[01:22:03] in Gossip Girl. That's right. Course. He would have been great. You know late in Easter was born in prison. I did know that. Yeah I love that fact. He was really good on 30 Rock. Yeah he's Wesley Snipes. Right. If you looked Wesley Snipes up in the

[01:22:18] dictionary you would think that a picture of me would be like that is so funny. Such a good joke. Oh I love that. He's in admission pretty much playing the exact same part as this. Yeah. He's been in a thousand movies. Yes. He's a really fucking good actor.

[01:22:36] And he did 46 episodes of Masters of Sex. He mastered it and now no one ever has to try sex again. The end is him just going yep. He gets a diploma and puts it on his wall. Yeah I'm a master. Do you know that he reprised his

[01:22:50] character as Dr. William Masters in an episode of The Simpsons last year? No. In what universe has The Simpsons gone from like We really need a Masters of Sex joke. We do a crossover with the X files and then 20 years later you're like I don't know.

[01:23:03] A crossover with Masters of Sex. What's left? David do you feel I'm sorry to just interrupt the flow of the episode here. Sorry. Very unusual. Dicky Lawson. Go ahead. Do you feel like the temperature in here changed a little bit like this sort of ambiance just changed?

[01:23:20] I don't know. Up or down? I feel like it just got kind of like dark and gritty in here. Like this isn't my grandfather's podcast recording studio. Oh my god. Someone just sent an arrow through the doorbell they're not even bothering to ring the doorbell.

[01:23:41] The door's cracked open. Oh my god. It's hot edgy millennial Teran Egerton Robin Hood. Oh boy. Every generation gets their Robin Hood and we've got Nars and it's like Guy Richie Robin Hood but not even directed by Guy Richie. This isn't your grandpa's ad read. Hello. Hello boys.

[01:23:57] Hello. I'm talking to him. Yeah. You speak my language. It's almost like you grew up in England. Oh sources say. Yeah he did. Yeah. The bits retired the bits retired. Let's get to the ad read please. All right. What are you here for today? Mr. Hood.

[01:24:13] I'm here to put a new twist on an old story. Oh so like you're kind of not dissimilar from this investing app called Robin Hood that lets you buy and sell stocks and ETFs and options and cryptos commission free. Well I was going to say this sounded

[01:24:28] like my grandfather's stock service. No no no. They're trying to make financial services work for everyone not just the wealthy and they're non intimidating so that newcomers can invest for the first time with true confidence. It sounds kind of edgy and gritty. It's simple and intuitive.

[01:24:43] It's a very clear design. The data is presented in a really easy to digest way. Yeah I use the app every day. It's set up with my face ID which is very cutting edge. What if you have face tattoos like my best friend little John

[01:24:58] played in a very sexy edgy performance by Sexy Academy Award when I dreamy Fox. He is recognized. I think so. I think the only difference is that your phone might give you a little wink as it unlocks because you're so good looking. Would it be my grandfather's wink?

[01:25:13] No. Very much not your grandfather's. Not like a wink where they hand you like a word that was original. No they hand you like a crack pipe. Wait a second. It's dark and edgy. No come on the Robinhood app has no commission fees.

[01:25:27] Other brokerages charge like up to ten dollars for every trade. Robinhood doesn't charge commission fees. You can trade stocks. You can keep all of your profits. It's got easy to understand charts market data. You can place a trade in just like four taps.

[01:25:39] He's taken out his iPad and he's going on a Twitter rant about how Bernie would have won. Well while he's doing that let me tell you that Robinhood also helps you learn how to invest as you build your portfolio. It helps you discover new stocks

[01:25:50] and track favorite companies with a personalized news feed and you can customize your notifications so you can see when's the right moment to invest is something dropping is something rising. You know David I think I like this Robinhood this service more than I like edgy sexy Terran Eckerton

[01:26:05] Robinhood because that feels a little performative but this just feels like getting the job done. It's not doing anything just for show. You know what I'm saying? It's your right. It's clean and simple. This is trying a little too way too hard and Robinhood are

[01:26:18] giving listeners a free stock like Apple or Ford or Sprint to help you build your portfolio so you can sign up at check that Robinhood dot com that's check that Robinhood dot com to get a free stock like an apple. I want to promote that I also

[01:26:32] have a special offer going on for my new picture Robinhood boy for only $34 a ticket. You can see it in 40 X. Well that's not a deal. That's like it's like highway robbery. You're robbing from the poor. Oh boy and giving to the executives at Lionsgate.

[01:26:49] I don't know how much he's going to rob but yeah. OK well I think you know you can by all means leave the studio turn the lights back on please up the thermometer again and you know just maybe try Robinhood dot com because you might

[01:27:03] take a little bit of a financial bath in your opening weekend. Yeah check the Robinhood dot com. Yeah so long fellas. Sorry about that Richard. Oh it was exciting. I wish I wish I could say that we're barely into the movie but we're mostly done with the movie

[01:27:19] because the movie. I don't know is a movie just sort of like Michael she shows up. He's like we should get back together. She's like OK and then they just do like a time pass thing where like all punches him in the face.

[01:27:31] Well they get yeah they get in a fight for some silly reason. He goes stands Reese up so so she's she's out on their little flirtation right even began right. So she gives Michael she in a shop and then she gives up on that right away. Yeah right.

[01:27:44] She sends them both out then you have a montage of everyone. She sends everyone out. But Michael she decides to move to LA he actually is going to do it. Yeah. Nat Wolf books the pilot. Yeah we see him walking. He's in like a hospital show or something.

[01:27:55] Yeah right. Rynicki starts. He says it's a lead like he's like very casually like actually it's a lead part they want me to test which is like that is not how casual you would be about that happening if you just moved. But but Pika Alexander is like

[01:28:07] how could you when we want to make our black and white pocket watch movie. Like furious that Rudnicki is rewriting a horror film. Right. Right. It's like in you know right bedroom like a man with knife comes right and Pika reads that

[01:28:20] and he's like but what about the pocket watch. But it is like if you're a struggling actor you know or like an aspiring actor and you get to test for a network show that's like your fucking bar mitzvah your first communion it's like I'm doing something

[01:28:32] right and he's just like I don't know I kind of think I should do it right. Yeah. I don't know. And I get Rudnicki has the relationship with the daughter and we need that she wants to be a writer. Right. And she's going to do a town show

[01:28:46] the little emotional the younger daughter doesn't have anything she's just just says like profound things. There's one scene where Reese makes this like it's like a I think Michael Sheen is there by then and she's just like making breakfast and it's like literally like heaps of croissant

[01:29:01] butter in a in like a clay earthen pot like he's huge thing of eggs and hash browns and huge arranged tray of fruit. I mean it's really you speak of that this feels like a great moment to transition to a regular segment

[01:29:16] for the last time that we do here on the series. Yes she did right. Yes I mean she's going to do one now. Yes because we're cutting live over to our special correspondent long time sister Romley Newman with Romley's kitchen corner. And here is your host

[01:29:31] Miss Romley Newman. She's in her kitchen. Today I'm in a kitchen and I'm going to talk about the kitchen home again which is not my favorite kitchen. And the funny thing is if this was kitchen was in any other movie I'd say well it's a

[01:29:47] really nice kitchen but you can't help but watch it and just think this is an Auntie Myers kitchen on a really low budget. They have all the same fixings all the same stylistic choices but everything just looks a little bit less nice. You know they couldn't get the

[01:30:06] Viking they couldn't get the wolf stove you know the fridge is not a sub zero and it's still an incredibly nice kitchen but it's not an Auntie Myers kitchen. Thank you Romley for your service we appreciate it. I don't know what circumstances we'd ever bring back Romley's

[01:30:25] kitchen corner but maybe. Well you're going to do that burnt. We are going to do a full miniseries on burnt cast. We're going to go back to the Star Wars format and just do burn every week. Good you could do no reservations.

[01:30:36] I don't think we could do a full episode on burnt. Falling asleep. Yeah like we would. We would try and we would just be like and then. It would be like an ASMR episode because we just trail off. You'd perk up at the Omathermin part. Yeah yeah.

[01:30:50] She should do a Nancy Myers movie. Every actress of the 90s should do a Nancy. Well she tried to in with Prime which is not an AC Myers movie but was that's sort of styled. Yes yes. She has the worst role in that kind.

[01:31:02] Yeah whatever happened to him October road. That is no that's oh the actor. Well he was how to make it in America. Yeah. And he was on season one of the tick. Oh he was. He's one of my favorite characters. He is very funny in it.

[01:31:15] He was only in like two episodes right maybe three Derek. He plays the villains ex husband who still lives with her. Brian Greenberg. He's great. Yeah he's excellent and he's a nice guy. This is the episode where I say that handsome men are nice. Well that's the movie.

[01:31:30] That's the movie. That is the movie because that's what happens. Oh well right OK so then the boys have their big meeting with the producer right. Who's a jerk. I don't remember though what happens at the meeting. It's like this is the weird

[01:31:44] thing with like they have the meetings with Blum and they're like what a jerk. And then Blum is just the entree to this sort of. He's got a note it just says Channing. Blum too right like the older Blum like Blum senior. Oh they have the meeting and

[01:31:58] then they decide to run away to go to the daughter's thing is that one. Well that's the final meeting right with the guys like again and again it's this thing where Halley is just doing this like insanely broad Hollywood spoof sketch. Right because that's what the

[01:32:11] Lakebell scene is. Yes that's what the first Reed Scott scene is that's what this scene is like I love the script but like what if they're like doing a heist of like a casino. Right suddenly it's both finger right but are like these are these meetings

[01:32:22] that she's had maybe it's just like her mom but like when's the last time Nancy Meyers had a meeting like that ever I mean she doesn't need to I mean maybe the intern. And Jason Blum have been circling a hellraiser we should we should talk

[01:32:33] about that's why he was so cagey when people ask him about female directors it's because he's been trying to get her take on Pinhead forever. She goes what if we lose the pins. Just head. Yeah that scene the idea that scene right is just

[01:32:49] that Pico finally is like you know what the pocket watch movie can wait we've got to get to the talent show because we've established that Pico doesn't usually know to do the right thing. Right. He's a bit of a fuck up. This isn't the right thing

[01:32:59] for him it's only for Rudnitsky the other two being there kind of doesn't matter that much. Well but now Wolf is there because he's like going to be the lead of pocket watch. Right. I'm just calling it that right and pocket for the watch

[01:33:10] is also there as security in case Michael Sheen also shows up to play he'll pop him in the nose you'll pocket watch him in the nose and then the producer does that thing where he's like yeah I'm thinking some big star and reach Scott's like I know we

[01:33:22] were going to put now Wolf in it and he's like oh yeah no you can be in it. I am Brooklyn Avenue outrageous and then yeah they go to the talent show and John Rudnitsky falls in love with the daughter's teacher on the way to the stage.

[01:33:40] Yeah right they have a meet cute that begins at the entrance of the school and ends with them on the stage and that guy needed a win. Yeah he was having so much trouble being handsome and cast in things yeah. Got what I'm moving.

[01:33:56] I don't know like is there anything else really pleasant I don't think they gather right like is there oh and then the Carol King song plays around again which like so her mother Nancy Griffin which he's just hearing. You're going to be like what

[01:34:11] those people who like kills himself after like having hiccups for three years. I'm so lost in the woods and that's all right here tonight is I'm so far down the levels of the Ascension elevator that for me it sounds like LeVion Rose. This movie as we already stated

[01:34:33] is set in the city that Leo and Mary on built an inception. It lived a whole lifetime together. Yes Ken Watanabe is there everyone is waiting for a train. Yeah and it just ends with them all gathering and being like how crazy here we are.

[01:34:48] Nancy Byers was like OK I will EP this movie and get this movie made for you but you have to name it after a cooking song. Yeah I have to name it after a cooking song and have it in congruous ending scene where everyone's at dinner

[01:34:59] yeah which is how most of her movies and I like that the daughters play. Yes the set is that outdoor dining area of their back and there's the joke at the end with the daughter's like that was kind of based on like our lives.

[01:35:11] And it's like so wait there was a look like it was like a fourth grade play that was about fucking divorce. My mom tried to bag this hottie didn't try to did work and then they figured it out right. I mean it feels like you know

[01:35:26] she setting up a future something's got to give. You think you think Pico is going to get with Reese eventually. No oh I guess kind of places in real life. That she's Halle Rico yeah but that character is how right yes. Oh OK right.

[01:35:38] Yeah like I didn't realize. Do you think Michael James going to find the next Sam Smith. Yeah yeah some question in real life. It's not all. He's like at a chalkboard Sam Smith now what do you find that wolf that next you find the

[01:35:54] next Sam Smith like at like wearing like a big frilly bonnet at the maternity ward or something because he's sort of like a little Lord Fauntler right. So I'm singing a song plaintively to his sick mother like oh God Netflix has like said how

[01:36:09] successful to all the boys I loved and set it up were for them. Right right that there's summer of love they call it right there two of their most watched films and certainly less expensive than a lot of the big films they've had to buy like right

[01:36:21] you know right if I were them I'd just be like get get Halle Meyer Shire in here and let her make one of these every year. Every other year. Absolutely you know because Nancy needs like 80 million dollars he can't do a cheap no she can't but like let

[01:36:34] Halle make a bunch of these sure she had a script. I want to find the name of it have you heard about this now that Nancy was going to direct Oh right. Called the Chelsea. Yes. Oh about the Chelsea hotel. I don't know.

[01:36:47] Yeah and then they fell apart right so that was before home again I think Nancy was going to the thing about it is that like we're you know joking about this sort of creepy homage to her mother but like the movie's not badly made it

[01:36:58] no I mean it had it I mean at the pacing is a little fast but like it looks great the performances are good. I also like the idea that her mother and father were on set every day that it really feels like it was a family project.

[01:37:07] Yeah like that's fine. So like I would happily see another movie for I mean I think there are certain things that could be improved upon in terms of her first film like this is better than most first romantic comedies you know like there's no reason

[01:37:19] that the one of the boys couldn't like they don't have all be white for example. Sure. Have you seen any Nancy Myers. Well yes if you're going to make us an homage that you know but you know I don't know I think that

[01:37:33] the tendency with this movie is to just for people to kind of like just be like oh it's terrible and it's no no it's very weird but watchable yeah very watchable as Griffin says my third time seeing it charming and then also

[01:37:45] right just like odd in a way where you're like you think about it's not disposable. I said at my review it's like you could study this thing in psych class for like a year like it's just very interesting which is like my favorite kind of movies.

[01:37:57] Yeah these movies that just have their own weird sort of internal logic they do feel like a broadcast from an alternate dimension and you're just trying to parse out what the like so if this then what right rules of the world right you know.

[01:38:12] I mean we should play the box of his game but yeah is there anything else you wanted to say. I'm looking at where is Jen Kirkman. She got unbridled doomed. I got to give you credit because you don't did since there was a nine to be quotes

[01:38:25] page the quote I used was one that you transcribed verbatim so I had something to read off well because we are three handsome guys hanging or three adorable guys excuse me hanging around so is that so for adorable guys Ben watch this movie.

[01:38:37] I was going to say this is where they're spawning and we are the three cute big special boys. There's a scene where they take their shirts off and go swimming. Oh yeah in the beach. Yeah and and that will feel as Attica Attica because you

[01:38:51] know 20 something girl boys in 2017 are always referencing that dog day after the boys who were born after independence gate they came out right. Yeah I think that's that's all I had. I mean I thought the movie was insane. I didn't hate it.

[01:39:09] I felt like again yeah this is like another reality dimension of the world. I as someone from New Jersey kind of a lower class kind of citizen in the world let's say. Sure you grew up in a trauma film. Yeah pretty much. Yeah.

[01:39:25] I went to high school with Toxic Avenger. So you went home again it would be home again to the furnace. That's true. Right. The reason Toxic Avenger carried him up was because he worked as a janitor at your high school. Yeah absolutely. I just felt like it was

[01:39:43] like the culture that I don't participate with at all. Yep and look I mean that is I will say the reason why I think I always had hang ups with Nancy is like I don't like the idea of watching movies about these people.

[01:39:57] Right you know because I also like am frustrated if I'm at a restaurant seated next to people like this. I love it. I want to know all of them talk this movie is the nice family I saw at the mall when I was trying to kidnap their children.

[01:40:09] Yeah kidnap their children or shop live something and I would be like you know sort of like oh my god gross but really inside I'm like this seems nice and like I wish I had a nice family. Yeah and the way that they that

[01:40:21] Nancy Meyers and Hallie Meyers talk about divorce is from this like insanely privileged thing where divorce is this kind of like neurotic moment. It's not like oh what like we're financially we're destroyed and like you know how are we going to get the kids back and forth.

[01:40:34] It's more just this kind of like social embarrassment or something. It's it's it's really interesting but Tuesdays are my yoga grew right. Like that kind of like right. I love it. Oh and did you guys notice that I don't know if you've been talking about these other

[01:40:49] episodes but the Virgin Mamosas making into this movie you know like things just always like there's like you're saying OK yeah they're in a scene of this. Do you have any Nancy thoughts because you didn't actually get to be on a Nancy episode.

[01:41:01] I would say that my Nancy thoughts are or my Nancy concerns kind of what Ben was saying is like that increasingly I don't think Nancy's like self aware exactly about the world that she's the world that she's existing in and a world that's changing rapidly.

[01:41:18] Yeah and I think that like when you talk to someone like you know when you see like even like you know older celebrities who are quote unquote liberal or whatever now who just say something totally from like 1985 and you're like what like I don't I don't I

[01:41:32] worry that Nancy Myers is not paying attention and while it's fun to watch like the intern is like a movie about like an old straight white guy like finding himself again like is that where we're at. Right and how all young men are pussies.

[01:41:48] Right yeah so I so I like Nancy Myers but like like increasingly the people that she's sort of venerating I think are bad. OK do we want to do our rankings. Oh wow of Nancy's yeah sure do we want to do the box office game first yes.

[01:42:03] OK September 8th 2017 never got number two at the box offices home again with a million dollars now the number one film this this weekend opened to slightly higher number of one hundred and twenty three million dollars. This was the film it's it right

[01:42:21] the one film to buck the trend of this being the worst week right and Pennywise is going to target the home again universe next. Oh fully yeah he's going to go down that drain put drainpipe until he gets to fucking Michael Sheen or whatever he's the next

[01:42:34] Sam Smith I'll tell you. You want to stop watch that just scared me in my head phones because I didn't I wasn't looking at you and I was like yeah yeah it I couldn't get through that movie we all get to have a lot of it's fine.

[01:42:46] I thought it was badly made. It's it's very I wanted to hook an August version. I agree. I think the script's pretty good. Yeah. And I like I like Mama. I think Mama's pretty well directed. It was the same director. Yes. Oh I see Andy. Machete machete.

[01:43:02] Yes. Andy machete. Yes. I think it is a very watchable like car movie with a bunch of kids and who's going to be. It's Chastain Xavier Dillon. Devere Dillon's just got the one scene but you got you got a hat or Maccaboy. So you have three big people

[01:43:20] and then the other four are like Isaiah Mustafa who's the old spice guy. Ben Ransom and then like two actors I don't know. I feel like you've also got Jay Ryan an actor. I don't know James Ransom. Yeah. Andy Bean. Don't know him.

[01:43:36] Yeah. And then the eyes of it the second part of it a book that Stephen King wrote after eating one mountain of cocaine is like that's how he ordered it. One break of June Mountain. Yeah exactly. Call the dealer and say can you bring me a

[01:43:49] break of coke. Like is the second part of the book is like you know that it is back because there's this like terrible hate crime in which like a guy is murdered and Xavier Dillon I guess is playing that character. Oh boy OK. So there's something with Xavier

[01:44:01] Dillon where I think he's just like sign me up like you know because he's going to win an Oscar for bad times at the L Royale. Oh my god that accent playing Phil Spector. He's also a fresh Canadian boy raised playing a guy with a black eye.

[01:44:15] Just never explained. That's never explained who salutes everyone. Do you know that he played fear in the Kabaquah dub of Inside Out Pixar's Inside Out. Is that true that he makes a lot of money doing I swear to God French Canadian dubbing

[01:44:33] when the big animated movies go over there he has done several of those. Do you know about Melanie Laurent's dad. No her dad is the voice of Homer in France. Really. Wow. Number three. That rules at the box office. Is a comedy.

[01:44:51] That's so funny that we were saying like this is the worst weekend to release a movie and they were like oh well at least I'll go on notice and then the biggest opening in the history of that whole. Right. Exactly. Yeah it was crazy.

[01:45:01] I mean it is crazy that it did that well. So that's one of the biggest gaps between number one and number two in the same. Yeah. Number three is like a comedy that's now in its fourth week OK that like kind of did pretty well despite not existing.

[01:45:15] Excuse me Ned Flanders not Oh even funnier. OK doesn't exist. It did pretty well as the final total. Seventy five. It's a movie. It's like it's like a spooky comedy. Spooky it's a spoofing movie. Well. Well spoofing it's a little spoofing. It had been number one

[01:45:35] the previous three weeks. The previous three weeks. Yes I know what this is and it's a light between oceans. Right that's like a spoof of someone's earnest attempt at making a drama. Right. Does it does it feature a big comedy star? No not really like two sort of

[01:45:53] major names. But I wouldn't call them any of them exclusively the comedy stars. I guess one of them is more of a comical. But they're they're actors. They're not like people who came out of the likely free notions is the first home to go direct

[01:46:04] to sweater. Sorry I just wanted to make that joke. Just occurred to me. Forty five comedy points. Shall I just tell you. No great to say more things about comedy like a buddy comedy. It's got like a title that sounds like it's a parody. It's the hitman's bodyguard.

[01:46:23] The hitman's bodyguard. Yes a movie that doesn't exist. Ryan Reynolds and Samuel Jackson has someone else in that movie. Salma Hayek and they're game-laden a sequel there is a sequel. The bodyguards hitman. It's the hitman's bodyguards way for whatever. Richard E Grant is in that I

[01:46:36] believe. Oh I see Gary Oldman. Weird. From the director of Kick Ass 2 I think you might be right. Yeah Gary Oldman Salma Hayek Ryan Reynolds Samuel Jackson. They are making a sequel. Number four is another horror movie. Prequel. A prequel within a prequel to a

[01:46:54] spin off in a larger horror universe. So it's Annabelle Creation. Annabelle Creation which made one hundred and two million dollars about the creation of the doll that was in the conjuring. There is only. I'm mystified. One conjuring film that has not made a hundred million

[01:47:10] dollars. Oh my God. No Annabelle. The first one. Yeah. But for a horror franchise that's crazy. I know because usually one of them will overperform and usually they hover around like 70 or 80 if it's a big franchise until they drop off. And like none the two conjurings

[01:47:25] Annabelle Creation of all crested. Give her a proper title. The nun. Richard Rotten directed the film. I just think I'd refer to it with this proper title. Yeah. I mean it was part of the Trolls universe but it's a whole copy. You must be really stressed

[01:47:38] out getting ready for your world tour. Or trolls creation. Trolls again. How are your trolls doing? Oh my trolls. My trolls are good. My trolls just moved to L.A. Oh no. They're in a guest house. They're probably going to sweep up this pilot season right.

[01:47:58] Did they make a pocket watch yeah they made a pocket watch with one of my trolls is sleeping with Ginsburg. You know my trolls. So it's a masterpiece. Number five at the box office is an insanely depressing movie that bummed me the fuck out.

[01:48:19] About like God I don't know. I'll give it away if I tell you what it's about. Is it is it new or has it been out for a couple of weeks six weeks at this point. It's been out for six weeks. Was it pretty big?

[01:48:31] It was like a good hit for the size of movie that it was it like it's like a pressing drama like a thriller slash like super bleak mystery thriller kind of thing. What was the final total 33. Oh so it was like a smaller film

[01:48:46] that did oh oh oh is it Wind River Wind River. Yeah a movie I don't really get either a nasty movie yeah it's a nice piece of work. But John Berndtall is fucking great in that thing. That one scene he kills I don't like the scene.

[01:49:01] I like John Berndtall a lie. He's a very good actor. John Berndtall is great. It's just crazy how many movies he is in for one scene. I know like baby driver he's in one scene. Widow is upcoming. He's in the best of showing up for like one thing.

[01:49:13] He's a weird one. Do you know movie he's crazy good and which I would have given a blankie nomination CBS is the class. Yes. OK. I know it was that's a weird Lizzie Kaplan. There's that scene. Jason Ritter. Lucy Punch. Yeah. No there's a scene early

[01:49:27] on in the class. This house is not well built which is like his comedy line in the pilot. Very weird. You know the famous story where like there were some big CBS upfront thing when the show is about to or they're doing a press tour or

[01:49:46] whatever. They were in Vegas with the whole cast before the show premiered cast of the class. Yes. Class cast. Right. And I think it was your podcast about right. It was James zero. Listen to boroughs or Les Moonves or someone who was

[01:49:56] like at the top of their food chain probably said to them like I want you to go out and have a great night tonight together because this is the last night of your life that you're going to be able to be in a space like this unrecognized. Right.

[01:50:07] Like they were just like a week from now. Two of you cannot be in public without having a hard day's night chase ensue. They thought they had like friends on their hands. Yeah. And they said like they gave those six actors like so

[01:50:20] much training for how to deal with eight actors eight. The amount of fame they were about to. Yeah. Class premiere 2006. So he got modern family two years later right after pretty much. Yes. Some of them like you know Ferguson Bertha and then some of them like have

[01:50:35] their golden hush you know just just sort of didn't figure it out. Why would you tell some of them. Although she's really good in health. It's really depressing. It is really weird. That movie is insane. I've got TV shows insane. It was set in Philadelphia.

[01:50:46] I had no black people in it and people pointed that out. It was created from the creators of Friends. Yeah. And people were like there should be a pattern with your shows and they were like what are you talking about? Really weird. What were you going to say?

[01:50:57] Bertha was really good in Snitch. Oh I haven't seen the Rock Johnson movie which is otherwise pretty perfunct through but he gives like a really fucking great performance. He's actually the co-lead in that I would say he has as much screen time as The Rock which is weird.

[01:51:10] Cool. I just you're not supposed to snitch about that movie so I don't know what you're talking about. Ben is vaping. Oh. Yeah we're done. Ben's new thing is when the episode is over he vapes he pulls on his vape. It literally just looks like a USB. Yeah.

[01:51:28] It looks like Ben's backing up his data. Thank you for coming out. We got to do our rankings. So that was the five. We went through the five rankings. I think I made a list. Let me see. I want you to go first because

[01:51:43] I'm between two things in a position. If you have your list at hand otherwise I'll just go. No I can go. And we're not counting home again because it's its own thing. We're talking through the six Nancy's. Movies that the Nancy Myers movies that were made on earth.

[01:52:00] The terrestrial Myers. Right so it's actually zero movies weird. Right. All right so number one not movies that were executive produced by a slash the evil mutant Ninja Turtle and Dimension X. I'm sorry go on continue. Crank Nancy Crank. I mean I could have gone a

[01:52:16] bunch of ways. I thought it was better to do deeper pull. I don't know I'm an idiot go on. You're not an idiot. OK so number one for me very big and smart and special. Number one like Pico. Some things got to get OK.

[01:52:28] Number two for me is the parent trap. Number three for me is the intern. Rene Rousseau. Number four for me. I think it's complicated. It's complicated. Number five for me is the holiday. And number six is what women want. OK we're going to diverge on this.

[01:52:58] They're saying this is a diversion list. Yes. OK. Divergent and surgeon. OK ready. Yeah. Number one the intern. OK. Number two the parent trap. OK. Number three something's got to give. Crazy. That should be number one. Number four it's complicated. OK so we're not two different.

[01:53:19] Number five what women want. I mean I figured that's what you were. Number six the holiday. Yeah now what women want is dead last. That one's got to be. The holiday is really bad. I think you know. I don't like it. Half of the holiday.

[01:53:35] Let me ask you. Wait but which half. Right because it was a legendary episode where We thought over which half is because I want to hear. Both halves and then Griff and I each liked one half. So for once you're taking Ben's tell you're going to be

[01:53:46] the tiebreaker. Tell us which half you think works in that movie. Because we both agree that only one half works. I disagree on the half. I think that Kate Winslet half is the good half. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. Griffin has gone fully. He's got home again mad.

[01:54:06] Oh my God. Griffin is just going. He's just having a jack black speaking in tongues. Freak out. Here's to you Mrs. What is your skin crawling performance? Yeah I tweeted something about the home again ones or not home again holiday about how Kate Winslet does.

[01:54:27] She's gats in it right? Doesn't she? Yeah. She goes like scribbly boo or something. Yeah. Richard I have I can't remember the last time I was this happy because that's a professional accomplishment I feel. Let's go have a nice meal in the backyard.

[01:54:43] Let's go screen a movie on my projector. Let's finish Benson Clair's glass of wine. We didn't talk about the picnic but oh well that's okay. There's nothing to talk about. They have a picnic. These boys she met the day before. But they knew everything was good.

[01:54:56] Yeah and they knew her all everything was in the kitchen. Also he's screen like a full length 35 millimeter print which means like he's going to have to change reels. He's going to change reels also in a 70s sex comedy. The girls are there right and

[01:55:09] it's like a weeknight and like if I'm the neighbors I might have a shot at her. Candice Bergen is probably like topless in it or something. Probably. I mean I don't know. Yeah. She's like topless in Santa Pei. Dickie you're the best in the biz.

[01:55:22] Thanks for having me again. Friend of the show Dickie Lawson. Yep. I think you're doing with regards to Yoshida. I think Yoshida's that's it. I think you're in level footing right. Yeah and JD is at five is that correct. That sounds right. That JD episode. Billy Lynn.

[01:55:38] Yeah that was something. He has actually talked about maybe wanting to take some time before he comes back to the show again because he feels that was the pressure. I was cleaning my bedroom when I was like Jesus Christ that's quite a feat. Yeah all of it.

[01:55:50] The whole thing not just the end loop. Right. A the fact that he did that amount of research and was in B the envelope is the greatest joke that anyone has ever done in the history of man. Right. Can't be a close. It cannot be a close.

[01:56:01] New moon. Richard people should read all your work on Vanity Fair. You're one of the best out there. Well thanks. I feel likewise about you boys. You should. You good good boys. See your trolls. Good special big boys. See your trolls. Trolls World Tour comes out

[01:56:17] next year I believe. Yeah yeah everyone should go make me richer than I am. Now do you have any involvement in the trolls Netflix series or did you farm that out? I have some bad news trolls World Tour has been delayed till 2020. Really?

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[01:56:45] Go to blankiesdiary.com for some real nerdy shit. Go to our Tee Public Store for some real nerdy merchandise. And as always I forgot to make the announcement so I'm going to do them now. Next week Oh yeah right. We're going home again to Ben's Choice. Yes.

[01:57:03] Something we haven't done in a year. It's been a long time. Ben's Choice. He chose. I'm so excited. And it's going to be a little bit like our Jack Reacher episode where we're going to discuss two films on the occasion of the second one coming out. Right.

[01:57:15] Ben do you want to announce it? What are we going to do? Wreck it Ralph 2. We're going to wreck it. We're going to break the internet. And this episode on Wreck it Ralph 2. Break the internet. Yeah. Right. Right. You're right. Yeah. When Ben hears the two friends

[01:57:33] he thinks Ralph and Vanellope and now he's finally going to let them take over the podcast. We can discuss Nick Weiger's hot take that it's not a video game. It's a movie. It's a candy movie. We'll talk about that for two hours. Yeah.

[01:57:44] It was funny to talk about. But then after that first announcement. Right. Some of you may have guessed our next miniseries is going to be a griff's choice. Did it get chilly in here? Oh Ben why did the lights go out? Why are these stripes on the walls?

[01:57:58] It's Tim Burton. Why is there too much CG? Why is Eva Green being cast in these walls? Why are your eyes so big? Why are we going to have a problematic number of conversations about Johnny Depp on Mike? Oh God so many. Tim Burton. Tim Burton baby.

[01:58:18] You've wanted it. I got two words for you. Showtime? Dumbo. It's showtime. So tune in next week for Ben Rex the podcast. Yep. Tune in after that for Peewee's Big Adventure. Yep. And as always.