How Do You Know

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Let me ask you something. How do you know when you're in love? Well, uh...

[00:00:25] What? I got away. Whenever this one thing happens, I know I'm done. I'll tell you but it's personal and I don't want anyone making fun of me for it. No, no one's going to. Just go!

[00:00:36] I think I'm in love with somebody when I wear a podcast with the other girls, okay? Oh boy... God, wow! Wow! What a line. May hear. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman. Uh, David, wow Sims. This is a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have massive success. Wow!

[00:01:00] Wow! What a success we've made or look at the success. You know, what's the VS in your... We're of course doing our Melissa Vilyns in your impressions today. Um, directors who have massive success earlier on in their careers.

[00:01:14] They get a series of blank checks and sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce baby. Yeah, and this is a... What would you say? Clear or bounce on this one? Clear or bounce? It's tough. It's right. It's a quarter standing on its edge.

[00:01:26] This is one of the biggest bounces in history. Uh, yeah, great. Quietly? It does not get the recognition it deserves for how hard it bounces. An impressive bounce. Yeah, because this is one of the biggest money losers in the history of studio filmmaking.

[00:01:42] Um, you think so? You know, it made some money. I think it's in the top 25. Okay. That would be my bet. I mean, no one was... I'm sure no one was happy with the performance of this film. No. Uh, we are hashtagged the two.

[00:01:59] France, the competitive advantage, and all the podcast assets. Going for it. We're a contender as a context. And we're also completist. Yes. Unless we decide we're not and we just... We just want to approach... Right.

[00:02:11] But this one where it's a short career because he takes time in between. And this is his final movie. Now, usually when we say final movie, we mean the most recent one they've made. And we assume they'll make another one. He might not make a movie ever again.

[00:02:24] I'd honestly be surprised if he made another movie. I think this is it. I think he would require too much money and no studio would feel comfortable with it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I could not... I could believe that after producing movies like The Edge of 17,

[00:02:41] which I assume were made for much less money than $120 million. Right. $9 million. You know, maybe he thought to himself like, oh, like, you know, the old magic. Like, I could recapture it but I doubt it.

[00:02:53] But I also think it's telling that he was a dude who discovered people and nurtured them and helped get their films made. And he hadn't done that in a while. And Edge of 17 was like the first time since the 90s that he like found a new voice.

[00:03:08] I would not be surprised if he just did more of that. Uh, yep. And that'd be fine. Probably be a safer bet. Yes. Some podcast I was listening to recently, someone was talking about auditioning for this movie. This movie? Yes. How do you know?

[00:03:25] The film is How Do You Know? How do you know? And the podcast is? As Pa as a Cast. No! It's the films of James Elbrough. It's podcast news. He does it every time. It's classic comedy. Uh-huh. Take a lesson or two from... Podcast news. Canyon Jim.

[00:03:39] It's good comedy. Yeah. Paul Tompkins doing the year end best of comedy bang bang episodes. Which I love those. Right. I listen avidly every year. Talked about auditioning for this movie. Okay. And he referred to it as James Elbrough's last film. Sure.

[00:03:55] And Scott Ockerman was like, I think you mean his, I mean the most recent one. Most recent film. And he's like, I don't think he's going to make another movie. And he's like, what? And he's like, remind me, I'll tell you the story off. Oh. Fair enough.

[00:04:05] Which it didn't sound like it was a scandalous thing, but that apparently I think... Off-handedly he might have said like. I think he took the hit of this movie very hard. And what's the movie called? How do you know? I don't know. That's why I'm asking.

[00:04:18] How do you know? No, I'm trying to find out what the title of the picture is. Monsters versus Aliens. Oh, okay. God. Wow. One of, yeah, that's another... One of three Rudd witherspoon combos. Yes. The first was Overnight Delivery. Yeah. Yes, it was. Overnight Delivery.

[00:04:37] I've never heard of it. What is Overnight Delivery? No idea. It's a movie they were in 1998. Yeah. A rom-com. It was direct to video. Here they are. Oh, look at them. Overnight. Ben, what do you think? Yeah, it looks like it's a movie.

[00:04:51] The producer Ben is looking at the box art for Overnight Delivery. The Ben Deucer is looking. The producer Ben. Poet Laureate at the Haas. Mr. Positive. Mr. Positive. The Pieper. The Pieper, finance film critic. Close personal friend Dan Lewis. Hey, I still haven't seen Phantom Thread.

[00:05:09] You got to do it. You got to thread the needle. Yeah, you do got to thread it. You're going to love it. Oh, Ben. You are going to love it. Because I mean, you know, 2018 big goal of mine is I'm getting into fashion.

[00:05:19] Wait, this still counts as a goal? You're not just in? Well, I mean, it's more like I got to design a line, David. Sure. Okay. So you got to walk the runway. Last year you got into fashion. This year, you're going to live in it.

[00:05:34] I mean, you're going to make home in fashion. Yes. Yeah. You're going to love it. It's kind of a Ben Hosley biopic and a weird way. Right? I mean, I'd say I watch Phantom Thread and I go like, this is probably what Ben's home life is like.

[00:05:46] I got a lot of secrets. You saw him into the lining of the dress. You like your asparagus with oil or butter? Oil. Okay. Okay. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. He's a, he's a meat lover. He's a farth factor.

[00:06:01] If he's graduated from different titles over the course of different miniseries such as Kylo Ben, producer Ben Knoewe, Ben Nyechamalan, Ben Sey, say Ben anything dot dot dot. A. LeBenz with the dollar sign, WarHoz, Ben 19, the fennel maker and RoboHoz.

[00:06:15] Griffin looks right at me when he does this. I never really got contact. Yes. He gives him a hard stare. Yeah. Have you seen Paddington 2 yet? No, don't rub it in. Okay. This episode is coming out in April. That's true. We'll have seen it by then.

[00:06:28] I shouldn't drop a Paddington 2 reference. We're recording it two days after Paddington came out. Wow. Wow, Paddington made her. I'm the star of Dish Movie. I keep giving him like a lisp when she doesn't have Dish Movie. Wow. I keep going into Gold Member. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:47] You just want the love gold. I can just do wow. Gold. So this is the most expensive romantic comedy ever made. Ever made. It cost $120 million, which is insane. Defies all logic. Now you go above the line. Brooks, I think gets $10 million. $10 million.

[00:07:06] So write and direct this film. Correct. Resurrect this one gets $20 million. $15 million. Owen Wilson gets $10 million. Jack Nicholson gets $12 million. And Paul Rudd gets $5 million. $3 million. God. Now Rudd got raked on this. He did.

[00:07:23] But he was not that as he was, it was still like kind of like, oh, Paul Rudd. Like he was the exciting choice. People thought that this was the one that was going to fully push him over the edge to being like America's leading man.

[00:07:35] I'm going like, look, James O Brooks makes careers. I know we all love Paul Rudd, but he might now be the guy. He might be Tom Hanks after this. Some people were thinking this, but the hype for this movie was muted by a couple things.

[00:07:47] One, that its title kept changing much like Spanglish. Right. Like, you know, people were no longer like, well, Brooks, I mean almost always hits right. But it was like, oh, okay, he did. I'll do anything.

[00:08:01] But then he follows it up with as good as it gets, which is huge. Like maybe he's a guy who. I don't think people were quite as convinced that this was going to be a big deal. How do you know? It also, it took a very long time.

[00:08:14] Well, this is the point I wanted to make to you. Which is a lot of the cost. You add up all the salaries we just said. That's $50 million, you know, roughly. There's still 70 more million dollars. Right.

[00:08:27] So you can say like, oh, the actors cost a lot of money. I don't see 70 additional million dollars on the screen here. I see two sets. Yeah. I see a street. Yes. And like one scene at the Washington. They have to walk down that street a lot.

[00:08:42] It's a very wet street. The Washington Nationals have the one scene and the dugout. That's it. One scene, I think you mean two shots? Yeah. Like that's it, right? It's not like there's an asteroid hit Earth in the middle of this.

[00:08:56] Now to be fair, they did pay the Sound Mixer $40 million. And that was because he had some very damaging info. It's a crispy sounding movie. You could call him Professor Crispy. Do you think Jack Nicholson showed up and was just like 12 million for me? All right.

[00:09:15] You know, and then he was like, but my barber gets a million dollars or whatever. You know, like he has a whole entourage and they all have to get paid. First of all, good Jack. Wow. Now, meter. Meter. Stop saying meter.

[00:09:34] You're meter with the devil in the pale meter. Hey Ben. It's a holiday. It sure is. We're recording on Martin Luther King Day. We're honoring the doctor, the good doctor Martin Luther King Jr. What the white is feeling. How do you know?

[00:09:54] Is this maybe one of the worst films like for like an actor of Nicholson's status to go out on? I think like if he goes out on this that's rough. He's threatening to do the Tony Urdman remake which hasn't seemed to get a lot of...

[00:10:10] I haven't heard a lot of noise about that. Right. Yeah. But it was kind of assumed at the time and because he had made movies since he's not going to do anything ever again.

[00:10:17] He's announced intent, but I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being his last film. The other one that's very similar to this is Gene Hackman, Welcome to Move Sport. Yes, but here's another point I want to make. Yeah. Nicholson had he not done this movie.

[00:10:31] His last movie would have been The Bucket List which is a worse movie to go out on. Then how do you know? Yes. A bigger hit. I don't care. Have you seen that movie? No, I can't. Life's too short. It's on the opposite of My Bucket List.

[00:10:44] What is on your bucket list? A record and episode on the movie How Do You Know. On Martin Luther King Day. Yeah. Cross that off. Yeah, I'm kind of done now. I brought a large sword into the recording studio today and I will come in suffocated

[00:10:59] at the end of this episode. Oh boy. We've said this in a previous episode but this role was written to be Bill Murray. They cast Bill Murray. Bill Murray famously never signs contracts.

[00:11:18] You know, you can't reach him and you got to call the fucking toll free number, all this shit. He doesn't sign contracts so you never know until he shows up on set if he's actually going to show up on set.

[00:11:27] And like two days in he was like I don't want to do the movie anymore. Have you ever worked with Brooks before? I don't think he had. No, he had not. So I guess there's no like loyalty there to keep him like sort of interested. No.

[00:11:40] I think he just was like this movie is bad. I think so. What's interesting is that he signs up for Aloha around the same time. Like two very similar movies. Sure. From similar filmmakers. Wasn't he also replacing someone on Aloha? Wasn't that role written for someone else?

[00:11:54] I could have sworn it was. Maybe. I mean, I know Aloha went through like three different cast. So maybe that's just what I'm thinking. But he just doesn't show up. And James L. Brooks, who had got he'd gotten his friend Jack to Oscars.

[00:12:10] No, I think Jack will always like, you know, listen, pick up the phone if James L. Brooks can get a plane, please. I'm going to pinch help me out. He goes, buddy, of course, whatever you want. Wow. Just give me 12 million.

[00:12:25] Like that's kind of a fucked up move. Your friends back against though, you know, if you can get it, get it. I'm pretty sure the conversation went like James was like, okay, but I can get Jack Nicholson. The studio was like, great. That's a great awesome.

[00:12:40] That's so good. $12 million. Okay. Okay. Yeah. For Jack. Okay. All right. Sure. I mean, because I assume the studio, Sony is thinking he could win an Oscar or something. Right. Like they're just sort of, they're just sort of dazzled by James L. Brooks. And they're thinking, what?

[00:12:56] It's the big supporting role. Jack Nicholson. Even the old man Nicholson movies did really well. Like Bucket List did really well. Someone's got to give did really well. Anger management departed like whether he's the supporting guy to the new movie stars

[00:13:09] or whether he's the lead, the Nicholson movies are still successful. That's true. So I think they thought like, look, I mean we're paying him 12, but it's an extra 20 million domestic to have it in the film. Even about Schmidt made $65 million. Right. That's a pretty low key movie. Yeah.

[00:13:24] Yeah. Yeah. All right, Griffin, let me tell you about WeTransfer. God, I'm sorry. I'm just so stressed out about my own creative process. It's such a burden on me trying to figure out how to do all my artistic work.

[00:13:34] Have you been like signing in and onboarding and using complicated file systems? Constantly. They make me do this every day on set on the tick. I have to log in before I can do a take. WeTransfer is about making the creative process easier for everyone. What?

[00:13:47] They built the site to be the simplest way to share big files around the world for free. All I got are big files. No sign in. Thank God. No codes. About time. No password you're going to forget. Make me sick. What is this? The matrix reloaded?

[00:14:00] I don't want to fight a password. No, exactly. You just upload and send and you get back to making what you make. That's perfect. Such as the tick. Yeah. Or this episode even. Griffin, check this out.

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[00:14:26] You make We Transfer. I think it's pretty explicitly written for Reese. Reese Witherspoon? Yeah. Uh-huh. And that feels like, oh man, an actor has been waiting for a Brooks movie. Sure. She could use, she's got that kind of feisty Deborah Winger, Holly Hunter vibe to her.

[00:14:47] Yeah, that's true. We're at a point here where the romantic comedy is starting to dwindle so other than guys like that making them, she's not getting many opportunities to do. Well, yeah, here's her post Oscar career. Yeah.

[00:15:00] You know, because she wins the Oscar in 05 or, you know, she wins the Oscar for Walk the Line, which is an 05 movie. Right. Rendition? Yeah. Penelope, which forget it. Which she produced and has a ballpark. She has a snow roll. Rendition, which is a terrible movie. Yeah.

[00:15:14] For Christmases, which is a hit, but bad. Is ghastly. Yeah. But like it did just sort of like make money. All the Vaans did really well until they stopped doing well. And then Monsters vs. Aliens, which is an animated film. Right.

[00:15:27] She's kind of off the grid for a while. Yeah. Which is funny because she had won an Oscar. Yeah. And before winning an Oscar, she was such a big movie star. For sure. And then after this, she makes water for elephants and this means war. Right.

[00:15:42] Like she's really, I mean, I don't know if it's she's picked bad parts. But I know that one reason she made big little lies is because she was frustrated with the lack of good parts in Hollywood.

[00:15:52] And she was like, television just seems so much more friendly for female actresses. And she bought the rights to Gone Girl. Yeah. She was going to make Gone Girl, but then she decided or whatever it was decided she was too old for it.

[00:16:02] Fincher decided he didn't want to use her. Yeah. She's still a producer on the movies. She is. But she bought the rights, hired Fincher and he was like, hey, thank you for bringing this material. By the way, you're not going to star in it. Yeah.

[00:16:13] I do think she is one of those actors where it's like her genre stopped being a thing. For sure. Like you look at those movies and they're bad choices, but it's also like if you're Reese Witherspoon and you know that your Ballywick is romantic comedies, you go like,

[00:16:29] fuck, this means war is the closest I can get to my genre. You know, This means war was one of those movies where everyone was like, what a hot script. Who's going to get it? You know, like everyone was attached. Right.

[00:16:41] And then Will Smith and Martin Lawrence teaming up again. Is it going to be Seth Rogen and Daniel Craig? All these different combinations kept on getting thrown out. What a weird fucking movie. Terrible movie. And then after that, she is in mud. Well, she's really good at it.

[00:16:57] But you know, after that, she takes sort of like a little while. She has some smile folds. She has smile folds, which is a wonderful film. Right. She's great in that. She did the Adam McGoy in a movie which did not work out. Was that a, which one?

[00:17:07] Devil's Knots. Devil's Knots. Yeah. I like her a lot in her advice. Some people don't like the performance. I think she's really good in it. I would, I kind of need to see it again. And then she's been, she's been kind of chill. Oh, she made hot pursuit.

[00:17:18] All right. Which we kept on defiantly. We talked about it in the podcast. We were like, we're seeing it. Yeah. We're going to be opening week. And we like never ever. We're going to see it. We're going to have fun and we've never seen it. No way.

[00:17:30] We didn't even think about it. No. And then Home Again this last year, which was so good. Great movie. Yeah. Did you see that one, Ben? No. Yeah. It was about nice boys. It was about what if nice boys? What if nice boys?

[00:17:43] What if there were a bunch of nice boys and they came to your house. I've always, I've always, it sounds like a work of fiction. Yes. Yes. It's a transcendent work of speculative fiction. I have always loved her.

[00:17:56] And she's one of those actors who I feel like for so long, I think it's finally like post big little lies. She's getting credit. But even as an Oscar winner, people are like, oh, but she just kind of does her thing.

[00:18:07] Like no one ever gave her enough credit. I think I, right. I got into her. Pleasantville, I think. Pleasantville in it 98 for sure. I don't think I saw fear until later. Yeah. Then election is one of the greatest performances.

[00:18:19] Election, but also I loved Cruel Intentions, although she's not like the most exciting part of that because she's sort of the Web blanket in that movie for much of the movie. But that was like a big teen movie because that had Sarah Michelle

[00:18:30] Geller and we all went to see that in the theater. The second Oscar for Legally Blonde. She's awesome in Legally Blonde. That's 100% in nomination worthy performer. Sure. And then that movie shouldn't work. Okay. Yeah, I'm less hot on Legally Blonde, but she's good.

[00:18:46] I think Legally Blonde f**king rolls. I think it rocks and rolls. Legally Blonde f**ks as the kids say. It's been a long time since I saw Legally Blonde, but she rules in it. Oh dude, you got to get blonde.

[00:18:57] And then she made Sweet Home Alabama, which is in my opinion just a reprehensible film. But I hate it. It did so well. Again, she's good at like, she can ring like a lot of juice out of very little. Yeah, but please murder that movie.

[00:19:15] That movie really drives me crazy. Me too. And then you know, the Evanny Fair, which is like her trying I think to make a more interesting movie and to work with a female director. And that movie is kind of boring. It's okay.

[00:19:28] She was supposed to be the lead voice in Brave. All right. Which was supposed to be a big deal because it was supposed to be the first female directed Pixar movie. And they fired their female director and then the new director fired Reese Witherspoon. Right.

[00:19:41] And then nothing else ever happened to Pixar to suggest that there would any be any kind of toxic work environment at that company. No, 0%. 0%. Great. Super happy about it. Clearly the lady who got fired was just crazy. Oh. And that's simply the end of the story.

[00:19:55] Well look, I heard she was difficult. How dare someone fight for their own vision. Especially when the story is about your relationship with your own daughter. How dare you plant your feet in the ground and go this is how I want to make it.

[00:20:09] I want there to someday be a full book about that movie because it's one of the least consequential movies of all time. And there's so much that hasn't been revealed about the process of it behind the scenes. So James L. Brooks. Yes.

[00:20:24] In 2005, Canyon Jim, he wants to make a movie. He's Spanglish is in the rear view mirror. Yeah. Maybe it didn't do so great. Ben loves it. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters. And Ben Hosley loves it and he knows that and he's

[00:20:36] happy about it. It's a fun movie. He decides my next film. So he's right away onto this next film. Yeah. My next film will be about a female athlete. Now this is where I got excited because even post Spanglish, he was talking about this like,

[00:20:53] okay, I need to do what I did with broadcast news again. I need to pick an industry and really dig into it. Yeah. And try to find out who this person is. No one talks about female athletes and he works on the script for like four years.

[00:21:05] People said, like, why did it take so long if you make another movie? I spent three years like following around female softball teams because I wanted to get in the trenches and I'm like, okay, this is the Jim Brooks that I love. He's doing the work.

[00:21:19] He's doing the research. Yes. And then he makes a movie where she never plays baseball. Correct. She is a softball player for Team USA. Right. The movie begins with her being kicked off the team. Yeah. Now, why did this happen?

[00:21:36] Do you think I can tell you James L Brooks, he interviews hundreds of athletes literally years on the road doing research and then I want to find the exact quote because it's insane. And remember this movie came out in 2010. Yes.

[00:21:53] Just in the mix of the churn of like the recession. Yes. You know, and like the bailout. Right. He became interested and God knows how in the dilemmas of contemporary business executives who are sometimes held accountable by the law for corporate behavior for which they may not even

[00:22:14] be aware. How did he become interested in this in making a female softball player movie? But this is what I don't understand it. This is what's crazy to me. Okay. You said, okay, right. So financial crisis, the collapse is 2008. Right. It's like September or October. Yeah. Exactly. Yes.

[00:22:35] This movie comes out December 2010. Right. I assume it filmed. It finished filming in early 09. No, November 09, but still that's pretty crazy. Right. So it's like he'd been working then he re shot a lot of it. Right. So it's like he had been working on the

[00:22:50] script for years and then he suddenly goes like, oh, there's financial crisis and rewrites the whole movie like two months. That's what it feels like to shoehorn in this thing. But like how at this moment can you think, you know who the real victims are? Yeah.

[00:23:07] The people that the business executives are being held accountable for corporate malfeasance that they may not be directly responsible for. Right. Where he's just like, what a story. No one else thinks this is interesting. Yeah. He's like, it's half my movie. You know what?

[00:23:23] It's two thirds of my movie. Let's let's you know what? Let's let it take over the whole movie because the movies are love triangle where one one party is basically a non-interesting has no conflicts. Right. And he weirdly I think he's a little triangle where people the

[00:23:38] people in the triangle barely meet. Right. You know, like, I mean to Rudd and Wilson barely interact in this move. There are a couple times. Like, a little bit. But he weirdly. It's not like Brooks and her. Yes. You know? He weirdly works the best in the movie.

[00:23:54] I think of the three of them. Wilson. Oh, I told no. Rudd works the best in the movie. For sure. You know, I love Rudd. Rudd's performance is really good. Wilson's performance to me is just emblematic of what happened to him as an actor. Uh-huh. Just completely disconnected.

[00:24:07] Just I don't understand what he's doing. I think he's charming in this. You think he's charming in this? I do. In how it's sort of since the character is a dick, obviously. Yeah, true. I find his performance kind of charming. But, uh, I got to say also,

[00:24:23] the day we're recording this episode, the Robocop episode came out and I got to say, David, I'm pretty angry with you. Yeah, because you think just too short? No, I don't understand why you don't try to reign me in. You should try to invoke some

[00:24:34] discipline on this podcast. I believe the whole Robocop episode is you being like, oh, can I just say one other thing about Alvin the Chipmunks? Yeah, you should cut me off. This is your fault. I think Wilson, Owen Wilson. Wow. Wow. Mater, Mater, Mater.

[00:24:49] His whole performance is just like he's just a loose and carefree guy. Okay, what? He's a baseball player who has serial predatory sex with women where there's a whole room where they can change after he doesn't want to look at them anymore. None of that is in his

[00:25:08] performance. His performance is just like, I'm Owen Wilson. The goofy guy from all the movies. Sure. Well, I think that character should not be part of this film. I think there's zero reason this film has to be a love triangle because I think

[00:25:21] he could be part of this film, but he could be a small part like in the beginning. I'll tell you the germ of this movie that I think could actually work. And when I get to the end of the film, both times I've seen it.

[00:25:30] I saw it when it came out. Sure, me too. And we should say we thought we were going to record this episode two weeks ago. We had a guest who was in from out of town. Yeah. And then she couldn't do it. So we usually will.

[00:25:42] We record episodes. We've watched the film. Yeah, you're okay. You're just saying it's been a little while since we watched and this movie does not stick in the craw at all. Well, and sticking my craw means you're in a noise here. Oh, so it does stick in

[00:25:53] the car. Yeah. This movie just doesn't stick in the brain. It's a very sticky movie. So we might be struggling to remember. I'm going to give you Owen Wilson. OK. Like after cars, post cars, right? Which is his highest grossing film ever. Sure. And by then wedding crashers

[00:26:09] is the year before cars. Like that's when Owen Wilson is humming, you know. Shoot. You Me and DePri. Which can I say something? I've never seen it. OK. Not a very good movie. It's by the Russo brothers. Directors of the Tenors of Avengers Infinity War.

[00:26:27] I don't think You Me and DePri is very good. Sure. That I haven't said it. If you have five minutes to kill, going through the quotes page and I need to be for You Me and DePri is really fucking entertaining. Why? There are weirdly good

[00:26:38] lines in that movie. All right. Sure. Because the movie is just a vehicle for Owen Wilson to say. He's the weirdo, right? Like Matt Dillon's the straight man and Owen Wilson's. Right. And it's like how does this guy make it through the day

[00:26:52] and he just has all these bizarre opinions. The dialogue's really funny in it. The movie's not very good. 2006. Well, nine of the museum, but he's barely. Good enough. So uncredible. And he's in all three. I know. Yeah. I know he's uncredible. But that's mostly because

[00:27:08] now this is around the time where Owen Wilson is publicly very depressed, right? Like he tries to kill himself at some point. Two weeks before the movie comes out. Right. So there was a failed suicide attempt. Suddenly like the public image of Owen Wilson shifts from like,

[00:27:21] oh, he's this carefree guy to like, oh, there's like a hidden darkness to Owen Wilson. That movie is he, him playing a guy who just failed a suicide attempt. Yeah, I know. And you and I have talked about not on Mike, but as friends as the hashtag,

[00:27:33] the two friends. How like someday we're going to look back at that moment and go like, oh, we all just kind of like brushed over that and didn't really acknowledge that almost never really got better. I also feel like he's got better in that he's still alive

[00:27:44] and he's working with us. Yes. But there's been a definite shift in him since then. Because after that you have drilled the tailor, which I think was shot a long time ago. Of course my debut film. Yes. Which is a pretty whatever movie. Yeah. Then Marley and me.

[00:27:58] Which he is. Big hit. Very good. Never seen Marley. I'm not sure. I've never seen Marley before. I'm telling you. Wow. He gives the dog speech at the end of the movie. That is my my. I just know that the Australian word for a poop that you can't

[00:28:16] flush is a grogan and he plays John Grogan in that movie. Sure. And I mean that's just that's just where my experience with Marley me ends. I'm a big Owen Wilson fan. My mom is also a big Owen Wilson fan. We would go see Owen Wilson

[00:28:30] movies together a lot. We saw like Shanghai three times in theaters. Yeah. He's got a speech at the end of Marley me where we went with Ron and my mom and I just both fucking lost it. And we were like dead dog movie who gives a shit.

[00:28:41] Marley dies. There's the scene where Marley is like. Right. Marley is like you know fucking never watching this movie. Sure. And he brings it to the vet and they go like I'm sorry to tell you Mr. Grogan Marley has two hours to live. And he gives this speech

[00:28:57] that's like. Well is that your diagnosis for a normal dog or for Marley because I'm telling you this dog is unbelievable. And then he says all the things the dog can do. Barely hold it back tears and wow Mater Wow. Good. It's a good monologue.

[00:29:11] I did it when I auditioned for Julliard. Are you serious? This dog here. No, no I'd never auditioned for Julliard. I don't know what he's talking about anymore. And then in between Marley and me and how do you know is just like a little

[00:29:24] performance in the night of Museum sequel and voices like Fantastic Mr. Fox and Marma Duke. Right. And Marma Duke he does of course play the Duke. He got the Duke. Yeah. And Fantastic Mr. Fox he's barely he's got one. He is the one funny scene where

[00:29:39] he like explains the game. Right. That's literally the only scene and then this same year he is in Little Fockers but that's I believe a small role. No. Oh he's it's a big role. Yes. I haven't seen Little Focker Pointedly they were like we're

[00:29:54] going to make a third one and make on Wilson like a co-lead. Great. He's a really fucking big part of that movie which is it is weird. They also totally redefine the character because in the first one he's kind of like a wasp.

[00:30:04] No I know he's good in the first one. Right. And then by the third one he's this weird holistic. No that sucks. That's just doing Owen Wilson. Yeah. This is the thing all these performances are just I mean I haven't seen Marley and me

[00:30:15] but it's just like Owen Wilson. What's he he's a chilled out guy. Is it a normal dog? You know because it's like then the next year is Hall Pass at Midnight in Paris. Hall Pass? Wow. Wow. Paris. You got a Hall Pass? Anyway.

[00:30:30] You got a Pass at the bottom of the floor. Wow. And it's just like Midnight in Paris he literally goes fucking sent back in time and he's just like wow like it's nothing. No reaction. I think he's very good. This is what that is an obscene

[00:30:43] thing to say. I do but I'm not going to get into it. What? I'm not going to get into it but I think he's very good in that movie. But look I'll- For some reason nothing Griffin has ever said is annoying. He's such a saying Owen

[00:30:55] Wilson is good in Midnight in Paris. I think he's excellent in Midnight in Paris. I will say this. Maybe I'm just in the pocket for him. You clearly are in the pocket for him. You just said you were a big Owen Wilson fan. Yeah.

[00:31:07] Like I like what he's selling and even though- What he's selling in this is no good in my opinion. Sure. It's no good. But he's definitely lost his edge. Like there was a point in time where Owen Wilson had that weird kind of like drawly stoner persona but

[00:31:20] there was a danger to him. Uh huh. You know? Yeah. He felt bizarrely he had a live wire energy while still being kind of like super chill. I think his bit also just got a little old. Got run into the ground. Yeah. I'm always rooting for him.

[00:31:38] Because even in like wedding crashers he's pretty it's not like he's doing a lot but- No I also hate that movie. It's an awful movie. What's wrong with that movie? That's really funny. Disrespectful you shouldn't crash someone else's wedding. What? No no no come on that's funny.

[00:31:53] It's just like- And then you pick up women and that's really funny. Well right I mean it's a very respectful movie. Absolutely that's just what I want. But not of the RSVP. No. It does not respect the RSVP. So much respect for women, secretary of defense. Yep everybody.

[00:32:10] Isn't that what a Christopher Walken plays on them? Yeah. What I hate about that movie is that movie is a Walt Becker movie that won't admit it's a Walt Becker movie. Well I think it does when they crash the funeral but then they try and have

[00:32:22] their cake and eat it too by being- One section that's good because it fully owns the privacy. Right but then it doesn't because then they're like this is bad and you're like well- Well Farrell's the best performance that way. Yeah sure. What was I going to say?

[00:32:34] Wedding Crash is terrible, Big O and Wilson fan. Wow. Wow Mater. No the other thing he's very good in not to circle back to this. He's really good in Heron Fies. Yeah he's good in that. It's the quietest performance of all time. He literally whispers the whole movie.

[00:32:50] He's finding that but that's a small role that's playing on Owen Wilson's and I think that's a movie that taps into his sadness. I agree. They're not playing against like let's pretend this guy's fine. That's a real performance. This is just not. Right.

[00:33:02] He's just a guy who is by all accounts a creep. Right. But he's been played by Owen Wilson who seems to have no idea that he's supposed to be a creep. Yes. Or anything. I find him charming in this movie but it works against the movie that he's

[00:33:16] charming because- But I know that part of the idea is he has to be charming because obviously like you know he's this, he's this. Horned dog who gets you know ladies to come to his magnificent Washington. Yeah. But then there's no other side to it.

[00:33:31] You know he never finds it. His take on the character is that he's an idiot. Yeah. Because like Owen Wilson's big moment in this movie is when he writes you know he writes his feelings down and it's just one line. Right. I got something to go

[00:33:44] broke a lamp. Yeah. I think that's kind of funny too. But like that's as far as they take it with him. But who's the real idiot in the film? I mean like the person's character or the people who paid him $10 million to do this. I mean, I'll take $10

[00:33:57] million to do this. 100%. Take it to the bank. Now Paul Rudd just to we were at since we're going through these film ography. Yeah. No because this is a movie star movie. This is about these these four movie star personas coalescing. Obviously he's been around

[00:34:11] a long time but then he's in like anchor managed shit and 40 year old virgin so he's bubbling up as this like comic talent. The hot was when the- So good. Like. Oh yeah he was he was in. Clueless but he's not the funny one in that.

[00:34:24] He was in things like overnight delivery. Right and then he was doing like Neal Lebut dramas. Yeah well that's no that's um that's later that's that's after White Hot. That's 2003. Okay. Yeah. But but White Hot is when he was like I'm actually a big comedy nerd

[00:34:39] I'd like to do stuff like this and then Appetow brings him into the fold they put him in Anchorman 40 year old virgin and now he starts to become this ace supporting player in comedies and then right and then I love him is the first real.

[00:34:50] I guess it's that and role models are like the first two Yeah. Rudd starring comedies and their role models is great and I love you man is pretty bad. I kind of like that movie but I'll admit I just like I like Rudd is a leading man.

[00:35:03] Me too me too but don't like them. I like that movie and then dinner for Schmucks is the same here. It's bad. Yeah. And then how do you know but so this is the year where we're first seeing yeah like Rudd as an A-lister because role models and

[00:35:21] I love you man both did like 80 million we're like really solid successes for a guy who didn't have a proven track record. It was like is he about to move up to the next tier and then these two movies flop now of course he is Aunt Man.

[00:35:33] He is Aunt Man. Yes everyone's favorite right. But this yeah because but yeah he follows us up with like wanderlust this is 40 admission you know it's a lot of movies that don't hit. Yeah wanderlust is really good though. I mean yes. Yes yes yes.

[00:35:48] No those those all they came together which is hilarious right nobody saw but that movie so that's the thing like at the it felt weird to a degree that he was doing Aunt Man because it's like you're a comedy star why are you going to commit

[00:36:00] to like this big lumbering franchise thing but then it's like oh his leading man movies weren't doing well needed that kind of I think you just take that either also yeah it's just it's just so good I just love that he's for your career he's

[00:36:13] great in it yeah but I think it's not like when Marvel was getting off the I don't want to see that so what if I told you though that in a future spoiler do you know what happens in another Marvel movie war directed by the gets big

[00:36:28] shut up yeah sort of got a giant man really yeah 100% oh shit yeah you fucking love it damn now everything's different I'm going to show you a picture he grabs Spider-Man like this he like grabs him as he's swinging what yeah oh my that's cool yeah fuck

[00:36:44] all right look here he is grabbing war machine new take on ant-man he's picking up a plane all right all right I like ant-man now big that's great you guys that makes sense yeah yeah now I get now I get it now you get it yeah thanks

[00:37:04] here we go there it is there is oh damn was pretty cool and that happened I'm not a big fan of that movie but I like that it's weird because you and I saw that movie together and we had such a fun

[00:37:13] time watching it because it's a good time and it does not last in my memory at all and when I try to rewatch sections of it on Netflix it does nothing for me yeah Tom Holland scene I think is still great yeah in the

[00:37:25] in the I think the little peripheral stuff and the sort of everyone's fighting each other is all well staged because Marvel is good at that but that's not a movie with like a plot no movies fine and it should have a plot

[00:37:35] because it has an idea but they just they it's all in service of setting other stuff right I'm a little worried about a Fendi war but by the time this episode comes out it will be a week away from release right pretty much pretty much yeah

[00:37:47] so we'll know we'll know how will we know because you will probably see a critic screen by now possibly Disney let's let's let's let's hold out hope so here's what I think the potential this movie has that does not live up to it all okay

[00:38:05] female athlete is actually a really interesting starting point for a film because we know about these male athletes sure who it's like burn bright you know like die young you're going to spend ten years just like pushing your body the limits try to make as much money

[00:38:20] as you can and then you get out and you invest in whatever you want you have a massive ten year career right yeah and then you're essentially done in your chosen field female athletes there's not the same sort of industry I and I like

[00:38:34] the female athletes stuff in this movie how little we get of it and the team and it's like if you're the best of your field in like female softball there's a very low ceiling for what you can do and when your career is done you don't have

[00:38:48] that money to go back on of like your sponsorship deals and all these other things so it is like this person whose life just ends and she has no idea for the first time you assume she's been playing softball since she was fucking ten

[00:39:00] right and the idea is at the beginning of the movie yes you do and the idea is that she's in her late 20s which with a spoon not that she was like 33 but whatever yeah and right she's injured she's left off the roster I guess she could

[00:39:14] maybe like rehab and come back but the idea is like well yeah you're getting a little old like and you know injuries next year you cost a little too much money we can cut you like all this sort of stuff but very quickly like the first 15 minutes

[00:39:32] I'd say right are very concerned with her athletic crisis right what do I do now and then it's a hundred percent thrown out the wind and it's just dumped into a garbage can and we just don't think about it anymore and it just becomes

[00:39:46] about a lady picking between two guys right so Owen Wilson is Maddie right this sort of analog to her but wildly successful super male athlete pitches for the nationals right and he's older but no one's pushing him out because he's a star

[00:40:00] and he lives in a weird creepy apartment where he has like the fucking sweatsuit that he gives away to everyone like his door prizes for anyone who sleeps with him and he's grody yes and they've slept together before but now that she doesn't have a career she

[00:40:16] weirdly starts considering being serious with him right because that her life is just going to be this relationship with this guy who she doesn't really respect until actually at no point does she thinks he's sweet he's a doofus he's a doofus his ceiling is doofus

[00:40:32] right and they say they say the sex is the best sure but like James Brooks isn't sex is no that's a thing she never respects it's not a sexy movie though because James Brooks can't do sexy so we don't even get that part

[00:40:44] he's not even William Hurton broadcast news or it's like he's kind of glib but the guy's got a basic like he's got bones about him sure this character is a fucking more idiot he's an idiot he's god damn me I think he's Brooks is using

[00:40:56] him for all the comedy yes like all the silliest lines come from him I mean Paul Rudd does his own comedy but Paul Rudd's comedy is more of like classic James Brooks shit where he's frustrated and he's like falling over himself saying weird shit exactly

[00:41:12] shout out for Ryla's yes but the Owen Wilson character is just for things like the first line we did you know at the top of the podcast with the condom joke where his reaction should not be oh I guess I'm in love wow

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[00:43:42] yeah I mean of course yeah my cousin's in it Woody oh okay well nice to meet you buzz yeah nice to meet you too I'm just gonna show myself out the door okay great did you know Reese Witherspoon did three hour

[00:44:00] workouts every day to prepare for this role like I I mean like to seem like an athlete you know I hate watching this movie because of how much you see her wanting and trying to make it work yeah no for sure

[00:44:14] it's not that I find it embarrassing my heart goes out for her she just there's just not a lot for anyone to hold on to in this movie like right right and yeah it's it's also it's such a weirdly her medic movie

[00:44:28] like we've talked about the weird devolution of James O'Brooks's filmmaking style where he goes from being kind of messy this movie where it's like every single shot is so perfectly designed around how the movie stars want to look sure every outfit

[00:44:46] looks too good the hair looks too good the lighting is too good the angles are too good like everyone feels like they're just trapped in a little like style bubble who shot this movie just commenced yeah noosh pulls a light I hate the way this movie I do

[00:45:00] to I don't know I assume he's I don't know maybe this is fall I don't know it looks too good like you're saying and and it also like I mean we've talked about anytime they're outside in the street they've like hose the the sidewalk light off of it

[00:45:16] it's a weird there's a lot of hosing down so the street and this bus stop are always like listening with water there's never a rain sequence I wouldn't call it a slick flick see that but it's damp it needs to actively be raining or actively

[00:45:30] be wet raining it's post wet it's not slick flick post wet you can order a pizza bed I'm hungry you want me to sure yeah do you want like I don't know maybe like a meat lover I mean just pet you know what they say about that

[00:45:44] just pet he's the meat lover meat love nothing he loves more than a meat lover pizza no nothing he loves more than a lover of meat lover pizzas right he's the meat lover lover lover you're right that's what it is his favorite

[00:45:57] thing is meeting a fellow meat lover so he's the meat lover lover I'm just saying I'm hungry all right I'll you want to go on a pizza yeah get a little pizza I'm supposed to get lunch after this but I

[00:46:10] may have one slice oh who you get lunch with my friend Alex Perlin congratulations he has gotten gauge oh good for by the time it comes out probably probably divorced hey don't say sorry I was just making a joke about the passage of time one of my best

[00:46:26] friends are you congratulations Alex unless the other thing I hate about how this movie looks and Spanglish has the same thing is it is movie that is so clearly concerned with movie star lighting yes everyone has to look amazing all the time right everyone looks the same

[00:46:45] regardless of what environment they're in the lighting on their faces looks exactly the same regardless of whether they're indoors outdoors during the day or outdoors at night it which is infuriating they're always glowing yes it's like they always have a spotlight on them I so I

[00:47:03] not to say what movie it is but I was talking to a movie because I don't want to this is maybe too hot okay but I was working with a makeup artist who told me that she worked on a big film with a lot of

[00:47:18] big actresses in it okay and that her job as the head of the makeup department especially with a film without many actresses was to know their looks to know how to make them up but also know how to talk to make sense

[00:47:30] and go look these are her angles this is to light it if you put a key here it's gonna play against that because she's self-conscious about her jaw whatever and she said it was the first time in her career where they told her upfront hey look we're

[00:47:45] not gonna light for the actresses wow you make them up however you want we're just gonna shoot it because we don't want to take the time to have to light for four different people sure cuz there's so many women in this movie which would never happen

[00:47:59] and half of your job is gonna be coming into the room with us when we're doing post and overseeing digital touch-ups oh god isn't that insane that is insane and she was like I've trained my entire life I've been working for right now they just like

[00:48:15] forget it don't tell me like tell me how to paint their faces what do you want her to look like we'll just air brush them in post but this is like the opposite that this is a movie where they clearly spent so much time

[00:48:25] lighting everyone to a way that degree that is distracting and you know what they did they had Owen Wilson on set at all times and when he said wow that's when they knew they were ready they were ready they'd be like lights over there camera

[00:48:39] wow great great roll sound and when he said Mater they cut Mater um David's head isn't it I think that's funny I don't know why I did to look Mater it's like Tomater without the top so 50 minutes into the movie should we like talk about it into the

[00:48:59] podcast yeah to the podcast sure yeah so right we're 50 minutes in 50 how do you know I guess we did like record for 10 minutes beforehand hey Ben what's up order and pizza oh thank you sorry I'm sorry can we before we get into the plot there's

[00:49:15] just one last thing we have to discuss the table that's fine the plots 20 minutes like tops yes don't go ahead this could be our shortest not a short movie to be clear two hours long yeah a solid to yeah it's a deep

[00:49:30] to it's a dense to it's like you're walking through like a bog where you're like oh it's a short walk it's only a mile and you're like why are we still walking right it's a bully a base is a thick bra it's always about the broth baby

[00:49:51] you gotta get that bone broth thing this is the last thing we need to talk about before we get into the plot the greatest war crime that this film commits the lack of question mark in its title well that was very intentional

[00:50:06] intentionally dumb yes I read a whole article in the New York Times which was a really weird article that came out like before the movie came out because it doesn't have any quotes from James O Brooks because he just said it's a production process at all

[00:50:21] so it's kind of like piecing together like what a weird movie it costs so much money like you know they're sort of like talking around the fact like this is such an unusual project yeah and they're like and it's called it was you know many titles were considered

[00:50:35] but it's called how do you know no question mark intentionally James O Brooks is thinking yeah I don't know there was a New York Times article as well I think that in a couple years earlier about a company whose job is to come up with

[00:50:49] titles and they like title most of the Nancy Meyers movies I know they titled something's got to get where the job is you like bring them the thing and they look at it and they're like it's great if it's sort of

[00:51:01] if it shares a title with a popular song like things like that and all the titles let the body sit the floor let the bodies hit the floor but all those titles that they come up with are these ones where it's like that's the glibest like

[00:51:15] kind of fucking phrase to call a movie it's vapor how do you know yeah not vapor wave no thank you yeah okay so the movie starts with little Reese we talked we did talk about the first 15 minutes we see her as a young woman as you mentioned

[00:51:31] a young girl even you're not going to go through Jack Nicholson's filmography yeah let's do it all right so he was in that monkey's movie he wrote it I know head you know what they called ahead they wanted to make a sequel

[00:51:43] and then the today said the tagline for the sequel would be from the people who gave you head ah the 60s man wow yeah so I'm trying to remember is there anything to grab on to in that scene of her as a girl

[00:52:02] well it's sort of about the competitiveness with the boys not taking her seriously sure right because the movie if the movie has a thesis and I guess it's in the title yeah it's like it's hard to tell when you're really into something yeah right like that's kind of

[00:52:17] what it's about okay I've been what are your passions I want to throw out my germ what I consider to be the germ of the movie that actually is interesting and the movie is so muddled and also I think

[00:52:28] poorly executed doesn't get it but when I get to the end of film I go fuck I would like to see that move okay here's Reese Weatherspoon she spent her entire life focusing on one thing and now she's aged out of it she's still a very young

[00:52:40] woman she doesn't know what to do with the rest of her life and she's going through a crisis yeah here's Paul Rod he spent his entire life connect to his family now his father's thrown him under the bus spoilers and he's maybe about to go to jail

[00:52:50] and he has to decide those are the two plot lines okay the movie I think is interesting that does not need a third member does not need a third member of the love triangle gold member it loves gold she melts in the accident uh blitz nebon

[00:53:06] is what if you met the love of your life at the worst possible moment yes okay and the movie is like like you're the worst it's like a James L Brooks rom-com about two people who are going through full on life crises right and get the sense

[00:53:22] can't yeah they do like each other right but they don't have time for it but they do kind of like each other right and is there something there oh right now I think the biggest issue with this movie is that they let Reese Weatherspoon get

[00:53:34] her shit together way too fast way too fast just becomes she never seems to not have her shit together there's like two scenes right at the moment she has the party where all her friends come over to cheer up uh what's her name uh Tiana Paris yes

[00:53:48] weirdly plays her friend and Dean Norris plays the guy who fired her Dean Norris is the coach uh there's that other actress I like um it does yeah you got some good character actors in these first couple scenes um Molly Price yes uh who's great and they are

[00:54:04] all kind of funny yeah um Tony Shalub plays a psychiatrist there's this weird scene where she goes to the shrink yeah and it's like this very James O'brooksy scene and uh then that just never comes up again and you feel like that's

[00:54:20] the mode that she should be in the whole movie uh and instead in my opinion you watch the whole movie and you're like well she'll never end up with Owen Wilson because she knows she's better than him and fucking sucks yeah Reese is very type A uh yes

[00:54:34] and so that therapist scene is her going in and being like I don't really believe it I don't need this right this kind of like I'm in control I'm in control I know what I'm doing here I want to actually give you the psychiatrist line

[00:54:44] because it blows my mind how this is not then addressed in the movie okay she says she's basically like just tell me one general thing that you found over the years that's been true in a general way that you can just generally apply to any situation

[00:54:56] which is a really funny James O'brook's like scenario yes where she's like I just don't have the time for this but if you could just like just like a little line right and he says that's a great question I would say figure out what you

[00:55:06] want and then learn how to ask for it and she says those are both really hard and that's like you know that's like a funny exchange right but then the movie isn't about that at all so why is that scene in

[00:55:16] the movie because it feels like it's funny that's what originally he thought the movie was going to be about and it should have been about like if her breakdown is her going into hyperdrive and Paul Rudd's breakdown is him just like melting into a puddle

[00:55:28] and the two of them meet in the middle of a series of them going on these bad dates being like I think maybe I'm in love with you but I also don't know if I can walk down the street right now without like collapsing you know right so

[00:55:40] she's in her thing and then right we're cutting over to Paul Rudd as George Madison he's a very nice hedge fund executive or something I don't even you know whatever he's got a good heart he's the one that they all think is a mensch he calls Reese Witherspoon

[00:55:56] because his friend who is her coach or whatever I think isn't his friend Molly Blum that's from Molly's game yeah Molly Price he's like she's trying to set them up right and maybe Molly's game is what Reese Witherspoon's character should go through it's not Molly I forget

[00:56:16] yes she should be arrested for crimes and misdemeanors right no she was trying to set them up so he calls and he's like hi I'm calling out of politeness but I can't go on a date with you right again kind of a

[00:56:28] relationship right kind of a funny James Albrooks thing everything so like I so labor I love Rudd and he is pushing so hard in this movie I think he's funny in this movie I like him in it but I wish I think it's because he knows the

[00:56:44] materials not there sure sure so he's just like putting some spin on the ball because I like Rudd can go way too big like in a way that I think is very big Rudd to you well what I'm saying is

[00:56:56] oh you're saying this is a big what I like is that I think he can oscillate between tones within a movie that he's fine doing some scenes where he goes really large and other scenes where he really underplays it well like there's this funny moment in this

[00:57:10] movie where he falls down the stairs and then just gets up and it's like don't worry about it right and again doesn't come up again in the movie right or like wanderlust the scene where he's like hitting on Catherine Haan is like ridiculous is like Jim Carrey

[00:57:22] liar liar but he also has scenes where he plays it totally like a real guy and I think he can kind of get at like interesting sort of impressionistic things with his comedy that way his character in this is a close cousin to

[00:57:32] his character in wanderlust 100 same basic idea 100% but I think this movie because James Elbrooks is a little more grounded in what he's trying to do he's like he I don't think he ever hits the right balance enjoy watching because I always enjoy watching I enjoy watching him

[00:57:48] he says I can't date you I have a girlfriend right and it just got more serious so I can't do that and Reese is like weirdly kind of charmed by it they have one though she's laughing too much okay right bad phone call

[00:58:00] and then he like goes into work and they're like you are being investigated we can't even talk to you you need to hire outside counsel because you're this whole thing is fucked yeah and so you're fired I'm sorry go away and his girlfriend and the only

[00:58:14] person who like sticks up you know sticks around with the number one best performance in this movie absolutely Catherine Hahn so good in the movie fucking goodness as his like extremely pregnant secretary she's always good and we've talked

[00:58:28] about her a lot on this podcast this was when you were like fuck right she's not just like very funny she's an amazing actress like it was like yeah and this is when you go like God I wish Catherine Hahn could star in a movie made by 1987

[00:58:42] James Elbrooks for sure she'd be ruling it she'd crush it yeah today 100% God I love her and she can do fucking anything we said it before but she truly can do fucking anything and so we should mention that Jack Nicholson is like

[00:58:58] in this scene and his whole performance is just him going like I'm sorry like it's just nothing never rub another man's rhubarb now this is a movie where the urban legend has always been that he had near peace sure and they were feeding him his lines

[00:59:18] it feels like he did two takes of everything I mean if he had to join the cast like join the movie during production practically right I can imagine that would be the case he's weirdly on autopilot in this movie he's not even bad he's just nothing

[00:59:34] because he's Jack Nicholson he's always engaging to watch but his energy is so bizarre and so overpowering that when he's not using it deliberately you're watching these scenes and you're like I don't know what he should be doing but it's not this

[00:59:48] he needs to be making some sort of specific set of decisions because the idea they try to get at later in the movie when you're like oh that's what the character is supposed to be is when he has that line about like I don't

[01:00:00] even know if I'm trying to manipulate you or not that's actually a good scene right like here's a guy who's like spent his entire life figuring out how you use everyone to his advantage and skirt them while still seeming sympathetic yeah and never coming across

[01:00:12] like the bad guy and he admits that it's actually just an automatic survival mechanism he has and it's not even a conscious deliberate thing he's doing he doesn't make a ton of sense as Paul Rudd's dad zero sense as Paul Rudd's dad like Murray maybe

[01:00:26] a little bit I don't know what Nicholson Nicholson's zero percent like Elliot Gould should be playing Paul Rudd's dad or something it's a bummer when you end on a movie like this when a mini series goes out like this is a blank check movie

[01:00:38] it's such a blank check movie so his father has made his son the fall guy uh-huh but you don't get confirmation of that until like an hour plus into the movie and then it's this labored explanation where he's like look I have this like ancient like

[01:00:56] offense on my record because I did something like sort of I filed the wrong thing isn't it like you bribed the sheik in order to like he says the thing about it's something about a leader of a foreign country

[01:01:08] we had to bribe them in order to build a hotel or something and he's like it was nothing but that means that I would go to prison for way longer than you would go to prison it's so labored and it happens truly

[01:01:18] an hour and 15 minutes into the movie because the idea is the second that Rudd and Witherspoon are starting to hit it off right that's when Nicholson drops the bomber he's like you really kind of have to go to prison yeah like sorry like look

[01:01:30] you can do it and you'll probably only serve two years or as I would serve the rest of my life it's so sweaty it's the definition of sweaty it is sauna sweaty it is schvitzy can I establish a new term for the podcast

[01:01:48] when a scene is this sweaty can we just call it a steam room this scene is a steam room oh god yes and it happens so fucking late but you know because fucking father is played by Jack Nicholson of course the dads are responsible

[01:02:08] because the whole movie Paul Rudd is clearly unaware of what he's being charged with but completely unaware and it's never made clear and this is Brooks's idea of like wow these poor executives are getting charged with crimes and they may not even be

[01:02:22] totally aware of what was happening at their firm right what a situation huh what a crazy pickle to be in and you're just like why would I fucking care about that and also if you you could make a movie that is father son

[01:02:34] who worked together father asked the son to be a fall guy sure don't make it the financial it's just odd like like million ways to write this right but make it a fucking shoe store so that we actually give a shit about the guy he doesn't

[01:02:48] he isn't the embodiment of everything we hate in the culture at that time I also just hate it because like broadcast news doesn't have a plot like this like barely has a plot it's just sort of me in your ink same with as good as it gets

[01:03:00] same even with Spanglish like this one is like a plot right and this one is Brooks being like you know giving you this sort of like ethical dilemma you know where he's like proposing this like would you rather scenario where it's like go to prison

[01:03:12] to save your dad or you know meet the love of your life like how do you know I'll see you later Mater and that and then that leaves Reese's character in this hamster wheel of like you know what almost as kind of a

[01:03:26] sweet guy go over sleep with him he says something dumb pack my bags I'm leaving yeah okay I'm coming back right it's five different times that she leaves someone comes back it feels like and every time she comes back he is like slightly more

[01:03:40] self-aware but it's the extent of like I broke a lamp and every time she leaves she meets up with Paul Rudd and is like look I don't want to date you they start to have these funny dates right where there always a catastrophe

[01:03:52] like the first time is when Paul Rudd is finding out that he's about to be like sent to prison right you know and he's like I'm sorry I just can't concentrate on you and she's like this is great it's fine like we're both realizing something about each other

[01:04:04] right about ourselves but then like in every one of those sequences Owen Wilson calls and she's like fuck I should leave and she goes back to her yeah she'll go back to Owen Wilson he's like I've figured it out I'll sleep with less other women and she's like

[01:04:16] other women she leaves again it just like it's bizarre how little consequence there is to what she's going through in the film because he's so into the fucking Gordian knot of the red dilemma but then right and then but this is the thing at the crucial

[01:04:34] before he finds out about the debt about the you know you kind of have to go to prison yeah is this that very long sequence where they get drunk together yes where she gets drunk yeah and he gets drunk yes yeah

[01:04:46] which is that's where Brooks is like okay now let's turn on the red charm don't drink to feel better drink to feel much better it's a good line I mean this it's it is the kind of person who's the kind of

[01:04:56] it is that it's just loaded with Brooks like being like hey right hey one for you where did you see this movie um that's a good question because I know exactly where I saw this where did you see it

[01:05:10] I saw to the Park slope pavilion uh-huh was the last time was one of the last times I saw a movie there because the heating was out wow and so we went in they were like the heatings out and we were like this is a December release correct

[01:05:22] and we were like we walked in there when we were like it doesn't seem that cold we'll just keep our jackets on like yeah it seemed fine you sit down then like ten minutes and you're like oh right I'm not moving yeah now I'm cold

[01:05:34] yeah so we just sort of sat there freezing through this long movie it was a weird way to see this movie well that diver tell you about when I saw it comes at night in 40x uh you saw it in 40x you did tell me well not

[01:05:46] really but what happened was I saw it at the MC 25 the air conditioning was broken it was literally screen 25 which is at like the top of a mountain that's the and heat rises right yes so we were in a screening room that was totally

[01:06:02] hot and that's that's a literally sweaty movie it's a bunch of people sweating in a cabin quite sweaty and if you get the disease or whatever it's even sweat a lot yeah right um so in order to try to let some air through they kept

[01:06:16] the door open to our screen but there were a bunch of teenagers who were hanging out hopping from movie to movie kept on yelling so that movie is just hot people in a cabin listening for noises of people outside might be attacking them so it felt like

[01:06:31] 40x it was like very experiential and uh you love the movie I do like that movie a lot actually interesting um but I don't remember where I saw it but can I do this is vaguely a merchandise spotlight just what we needed

[01:06:45] no go ahead before I saw this film I probably didn't see until January because I was so I wanted to believe that Brooks could get it back and then when the reviews are so harsh I was like this is going to bum me out to watch

[01:06:57] this yes like I would be happy if it was just okay but everyone says it's like a fucking disaster yes I went to see some other movie at the AMC Lincoln Square yes it was five days after how do you know came

[01:07:09] out and they had already thrown out the big cardboard standee for the movie it was just like fucking cut our losses done and this movie had the most indifferent marketing campaign of all time it the worst posters because the titles are shrug and the poster

[01:07:24] is just four different colored boxes with their faces on it with like no tagline there was no tagline I think a new comedy from writer director James L Brooks oh what a tagline so it the one photo is Paul Rudd leaning forward getting the call

[01:07:40] about the charges against him it's just him on the phone making like a somewhat surprised face and the cardboard standee was like four cubes four four sided cubes which each of the images stacked on top of each other it was a tower of how do you know stars

[01:07:56] and they had thrown it out and I was such a big Paul Rudd fan I took the Paul Rudd cube from the garbage on the street and took it home and I used that as my nightstand great just the Rudd

[01:08:12] I had just the Rudd and I put it next to my bed and that's where I would put my phone, my chapstick whatever book I was reading it was a garbage cardboard cube Paul Rudd's face

[01:08:24] but the movie how do you know but it doesn't say how do you know on it which is what I like to it just said Paul Rudd it's just him on the phone it just says Paul Rudd well I have some breaking news for you

[01:08:32] Seth Rogan attended the premiere with his wife and he's going through some mind-debute pictures Jane Fonda was there who's this now? How do you know? weird thing about that Paul Rudd cube though the scene in the movie his t-shirt is white

[01:08:50] and in the poster in the cube it's black someone decided that's what needs to be changed to market the movie I think we have to cut that out so the listeners' brains might explode we'll do a lot to handle I honestly think we need more stuff like this

[01:09:06] we need to stretch this out Mary Lou Hanner was there she definitely remembers being there this is just a wild picture of Jane's own books and Catherine Hahn looks so happy so the best scene in the movie is when she gives birth 100% Catherine Hahn plays Paul Rudd's very

[01:09:22] very pregnant assistant and no one at the company is supposed to talk to him but she just feels so bad for him because he's getting screwed over that she keeps talking to him and she knows that the father's guilty

[01:09:34] and sort of tips him off to kind of be looking for the paper trail she's also very pregnant and her boyfriend will not propose to her and she feels like a used woman to some degree so he gets the call that she's going into labor

[01:09:50] when he's on a date with Reese Weatherspoon and he pretty much covered the rest of the movie at this point well the movie is just them flirting with each other and like you say just bouncing back and forth and the I need you to go to jail

[01:10:04] the drunk scene is kind of funny and Rudd is pretty charming falls down the stairs I like the moment when he slaps his head against the table when he gets the phone call that's funny red slapstick they get the call they go to the hospital

[01:10:22] and he hasn't met the father right who plays the father he's like a good kind of New York character actor but Weatherspoon is with him so they go to the hospital together and the nurse comes in and goes like the father of your child is here

[01:10:42] she's just giving birth, the baby's on her lap the baby's adorable and then Jack Nicholson walks in sure and Paul Redd goes like are you fucking kidding me and then the guy walks in after two comedy points not a bad joke

[01:10:56] Nicholson's there which is like he shouldn't be there he shouldn't be in the room and he's being really sleazy and then the father comes in but I think Paul Redd's walked out he's left the room to talk to his dad so he intercepts the real dad coming through

[01:11:12] and he gives him a camera and he's like I'm about to pose please film this so then he goes in and gives this kind of charming blue collar speech about look the reason I never posed to is it Lenny Veneto? It is, it's Lenny Veneto

[01:11:28] of course it is, the great Lenny Veneto we saw this movie two weeks ago none of it sticks I knew he was in it, I just couldn't remember what party play because Dominic Lombardasi plays the condom pitcher and like Dominic Lombardasi and Lenny Veneto are not interchangeable

[01:11:42] but they play blue collar guys condom pitcher evokes a good mental image Ben's playing worm on a Nokia GF3330 Wait is he playing worms or is he playing snake? do you remember Warms? the game where you're like the military warms you got attack other warms?

[01:12:06] Holy hand grenade, this is a great game Do you remember that game? Of course, that was a cool game Earthworm gym was sort of like a close cousin to the tick in my brain very similar kind of vibes here's a major difference between earthworm gym and the tech

[01:12:22] I think tenaple who created earthworm gym very interesting art style hates women and gay people very outspoken how do you know that? how do you know? because I'm an earthworm gym earthworm gym was cool he did all those like claymation video games

[01:12:42] there was another one he did that was good it doesn't like people who aren't exactly like him which is pretty oh so you're gonna judge that? you're not gonna judge an earthworm wearing a space suit? talk about someone trying to steal our jobs

[01:12:58] why does an earthworm need limbs? what's he trying to take away from me? the never hood that somebody again skull monkey so Lenny Vanito gives this speech that's like the reason I never proposed to you isn't because I didn't love you

[01:13:14] it's because I thought you were too good for me I didn't want to see you have to settle you're a jammoke like me and it's very touching and Catherine Huns fucking reactions are unbelievable just like really kind of fucking effortless

[01:13:28] a powerful heartfelt scene in the middle of a movie that does not seem like it's gonna have one of these and then Paul Rudd realizes he wasn't filming it which I think is funny and they have to restage it and Lenny Vanito is not a very good actor

[01:13:40] the character, he's a great actor but he does a great performance of a guy trying to restage the magic and Catherine Huns reactions are too big and it's a very nice trying scene I think that's a good scene and the idea of this

[01:13:50] and that's, it's sort of like We Bought A Zoo which is a better movie than this movie but same kind of vibe where We Bought A Zoo has moments where you're like oh I get it, I think I am into this movie now

[01:14:00] We Bought A Zoo has more of them it does, and then the bad moments are less egregious than the bad moments in this movie sure, but I agree, yes I agree with that and then it goes and you're like oh no maybe not

[01:14:10] but like that in that moment you're like right this is about figuring out the weird magic of figuring out like what you want in life there are 15 second stretches of this movie where he's cooking like gas and then there's a spellbound watching this guy

[01:14:24] have just total certitude about like I want to spend the rest of my life with you and then the other moment I actually my favorite kind of like pure comedic bit in this movie is after this when they walk out of the hospital

[01:14:36] and Paul Rudd's waiting for the bus to go home and you are waiting for them to have a heartfelt talk before the bus comes and then the bus comes like immediately right, that's funny you know what I'll let this one go and then another bus comes

[01:14:48] immediately, he keeps on trying to like wait for the next bus thinking he'll have like a 5 minute stretch and there are too many buses and then he gets on the bus and then doesn't he no she gets on the bus and he runs after her

[01:15:00] is that what happens? the bit with the buses is funny I like it whatever I don't know it's funny and she when she watches this she's like I maybe I should settle down with someone you know what I mean? She watches this emotional proposal right

[01:15:22] and she goes to Maddie and Maddie is like wow, and she's like oh no still not into it, you know what I mean? she keeps like flirting with the idea and then he lets her down meanwhile Paul Rudd says to Nicholson like okay I'll go to jail if

[01:15:42] if she'll be with me right I think what you presented me makes sense is the right thing to do for me to take the hit so that you don't have to die in jail unless you've met the person you're supposed to spend the rest of your life with

[01:15:56] in which case it would be criminal not to live that life so I'm gonna ask her and you better hope that she says no so he confesses his like love for her what's a gift he gives her again I don't know, he gives her a gift

[01:16:12] we should rewatch this movie oh it's the Play Doh fucking thing this movie is done Ben why'd you make us watch this I didn't make you watch this why did you write and directed this movie Ben why did you made her watch this I don't know

[01:16:30] how do we know? we don't he goes to jail at the end of the movie she walks out she walks out after him they thought they were making this and they ended up being the most successful toy it's another fucking Brooks he read some encyclopedia but Britannica entry

[01:16:48] kind of a person and she goes out to see him the last shot is them getting on the bus together and it's sort of like did he wait for him or did Nicholson go to the slammer who knows how do you know how did this cost $120 million

[01:17:04] there's a bigger question why did it cost $120 million well after the $50 million spent on the above the line talent he just took fucking forever to shoot this movie and did like three separate extended reshoot sessions of like a couple weeks or a month or whatever

[01:17:20] and then spent like a year editing it he kept on editing it going back reshoot for another couple weeks he said they shot the ending like four times because they couldn't find a satisfying ending I'm glad you finally found one Jim what the other fucking endings look like

[01:17:32] this is your idea of finally cracking a satisfying ending these are all fair complaints do you want to play the box office game I'll say this before we wrap up I think this movie should have been Catherine Hahn's character that's interesting right Catherine Hahn's character is really interesting

[01:17:52] or a movie of the dynamic between Reese Witherspoon and Paul Rudd in which the two of them were actual characters that made sense right also his movies start becoming all these people in these ivory towers who are harder to relate to they're impossible the same problem with Spanglish

[01:18:08] where it's just like why the fuck would I ever care about these things Catherine Hahn feels like a real person I mean it's literally like Owen Wilson lives in the penthouse of this gold building oh I hate that fucking doorman character too bad

[01:18:20] where anytime he sees Paul Rudd this is a movie where they always need to cut to a reaction shot of someone smiling to let the audience know that it's charming like in case you didn't get it the characters are charmed by what's going on in this movie

[01:18:30] and it's like fucking eat two turds I have some news for you Saudi Arabia you know Saudi Arabia recently lifted its 35 year ban on cinema yes I know the first movie they released what was it? the emoji movie so cinema is over, RIP had a good run

[01:18:48] this movie cost 120 million dollars to make it grossed 30 million dollars a little better than I thought and it worldwide total 48 million dollars not good no good very bad don't do it this movie opened on 8 screens no no no on 2400 screens there we are, thank you in 8th place

[01:19:12] on December 17 2010 now the thing about releasing a movie the week before Christmas is oftentimes mad rush movies come out, you can open really low but then you multiply like crazy because over the holidays people see weird stuff created showman recently opened to 10 people were like

[01:19:32] fucking done, bury it is now a huge hit it's now at 98 on MLK 95 on MLK weekend it's gonna cross 100 easy it dropped 9% this weekend it went up the second week I know box office mojo so I think how do you know they were like

[01:19:52] not a great opening but maybe we'll multiply they did not no, not at all I believe the greatest showman now has the biggest multiplier of any wide release in the history of movies apart from Titanic which is crazy it has a 12 multiplier

[01:20:08] and it's no signs of slowing down well I think there's some it's starting to slow down but it's gonna end up 150-120 good for you Paddington open number 7 I'm a little annoyed about that especially because the first bank didn't did well I know but those movies, weird weekend

[01:20:26] for it to come out in a lot of ways that was the same weekend the first one America didn't have Jumanji feature at that time everyone's flipping out for Jumanji Jumanji is a colossal hit Jumanji will be by the time this episode comes out the highest grossing film

[01:20:40] that Sony has ever released that doesn't start Spider-Man people were like um, oh well you know Star Wars the last Jedi maybe we predicted well no one fucking saw Jumanji coming this is the thing who would have ever pointed at the schedule and been like

[01:20:56] well Jumanji's an easy 300 million grosser Jumanji welcome to the jungle yeah welcome to the bank yes David, 5 comedy films that's the best drill I've ever heard you sure about that yeah number one would have followed so this is December 17 2010 number one

[01:21:24] is a sequel but it's one of those delayed sequels you know one of those sequels to a movie that came out a long time ago I believe it is Tron Legacy Tron Legacy $44 million because December 2010 was when Jeff Bridges was America's number one movie star

[01:21:40] he had two humongous movies did that true grit come out at this point maybe Limited? I believe it's the next weekend I saw it opening weekend and it was my brother's birthday yes it came out the next weekend wide and opened at 24 million

[01:21:56] which was a big opening and then it did it's another movie that went off the next weekend 171 domestic insane adjusted for inflation it made $193 a Coen Brothers western that deliberately has no ending that ends with someone walking off mid-sentence love that movie so much don't love Tron Legacy

[01:22:16] but Tron Legacy is sort of interesting at moments kind of looks cool if you mute it it's great to look my problem with Tron Legacy is Ben's got a meme downstairs Ben don't worry Ben is walking out the studio door to meet the pizza man

[01:22:37] downstairs it's MLK so no one's working in the building that's correct what should we say while Ben's not here oh shit here in Europa yeah I just spanglish isn't good it's not good it's really fucking bad it was crazy when I sat down for that

[01:22:53] record and Ben was like all about it and like Richard and I just sort of were dunking on Spanglish for five minutes as one does it's a fun activity you hang out with friends and then Ben was like you know what's good listen to all of that

[01:23:07] we aren't going to do our rankings because we're recording at a worse so we have no yeah we still have a couple records to do so the rankings will come next week on the next one but I ask you my dear friend

[01:23:21] do you think this or Spanglish is worse do I think this or Spanglish is worse yeah it's tough it's actually a great question cause I went into the miniseries thinking Spanglish is definitely better than how do you know and now I don't know I'm thinking hard

[01:23:39] about this I think I like how do you know more than I like Spanglish I think the things that work and how do you know are better than the things that work in Spanglish I think Spanglish is a slightly more interesting

[01:23:51] movie it's a little more functional but it's also fundamentally it's also crazier right how do you know is a little more of like a sort of like it's just like someone's heartbeat is just not quite there you know it's just sort of like

[01:24:03] how do you know I wrote this about Spanglish on Letterbox but how do you know I feel even more fits the description it feels like a movie written by an AI program that was my review of it too you load a bunch of rom

[01:24:15] comes into a computer and it's like okay I figured out how humans behave my my review I think was that it's a movie set at a theme park designed by aliens about human life that's what it feels but it's malfunctioning and the robots are like do I love

[01:24:29] yeah it's the west world of anti-comedy like they're questioning they're like programming where like aliens were like let's design like west world but it's just 20th 21st century America you know like early 21st century America and Siri did get I mean uncredited work but Siri

[01:24:47] did punch up on this moment oh yeah oh yeah Brooks would just be like Siri what's a good line you know and she would be like how do you know I just don't know if my life is the kind of life that I

[01:24:57] want to live you know what's the one she says I don't know if the thing is for me you know I'm talking about she has that line I do whatever okay box office let's continue so Tron Legacy yeah 44 million

[01:25:11] I mean it was a hit it was it made 172 Tron Legacy just super expensive pizza into the room pizza boys here boys here alright number two at the box office I don't know if I have what it takes for everybody's regular

[01:25:25] plan that's the line I was looking for how memorable what a wonderful one yeah number two at the box office wow wow is an anim it's animated maybe it's I think it's sort of a hybrid a hybrid an adaptation of a famous cartoon you'll get bare three day

[01:25:43] good things coming bears can you deny that that was the tagline for that movie and not only that but the poster was one of the bears behind you directly behind and one of the and boo boo looks surprised I think I told

[01:25:59] this story but like we all any were of an age where old cartoons would be replayed a lot so you grew up knowing like the classic cartoon characters like you even though you bear it's like you look at it thank you Ben and it was like

[01:26:13] oh they only ever produced like 30 episodes of Yogi Bear but they continued in syndication for 40 years right same like the Flintstones or whatever right when Yogi Bear in the movie came out Romley was like what the fuck is Yogi Bear like she was like 12 at the time right

[01:26:27] and I was like it's about a bear with a hat who kind of talks like a vaudevillian and steals picnic baskets and she was like basket how is that a premise it's a premise all right make a movie of that but kids didn't even know jelly was yeah

[01:26:41] Ed TV Zed played what's his name Ranger whatever I don't know you're right Tom Kavana yeah right I used to love Ed good move good show yeah and he's on the flash now he's um he's like 12 different yeah right because he's always turns

[01:26:57] out like zoom is him or whatever yeah all right number so I opened 16 million which I think was somewhat disappointing then it ended up at 100 it made a hundred multiply I'm telling you the holidays are weird people feast people feast now number three is the third entry

[01:27:13] in a low fucker no in um in a franchise that has you've had trouble identifying in the past it's not chit-rex third third and final I think I keep trying to make a fourth one though interesting and I had trouble with it in the past

[01:27:33] you took forever identifying one of these ones and it's live action animated hybrid mostly live action mostly live action like one animated character in its second weekend it made 12 million on route to a final total of 104 budget 155 I'm taking lack to eat this

[01:27:55] pizza just in case you're wondering what the fully work is on route to 105 live action not a big hit it does clean up internationally is it based off something book book series of book oh Narnia but which one voyager

[01:28:11] the Don Trader correct I do always have a tough time I forget that franchise exists it's hard to remember it's hard to remember yeah number four is a movie that's been in limited release and just jumps you know expands this week was an Oscar winner this year was

[01:28:27] it's a drama it's a biopic it's a biopic when an acting award it won two acting awards two acting awards in 2010 so that is the year in which best picture is won by King speech which means that hmm wasn't the social network it wasn't the King speech

[01:28:57] it was not the King's speech right good we're all Ian pizza we're done with this episode it went to acting words leads are supporting or a mix both supporting it one both supporting best supporting actor in 2010 it was the first

[01:29:15] in a run of movies by this director that like big Oscar oh it's the fighter that's right now where do you stand on those two wins those two wins yeah I think Bale's really good think Leo's fine yeah I think she's fine

[01:29:29] I'm not my favorite I feel like people have rewritten that to be a full stop terrible performance I think she's fine I think it's big is fine she can be bad yes she can and she can be doing what Russell wants yes I think

[01:29:43] Bale's performance that is pretty pretty but I haven't seen that movie in a long time I wonder if I would like it at all now I think I probably would I mean I remember walking up and I loved Amy Adams performance so much and I liked Walberg

[01:29:59] and then with Bale and Leo you were more like well sure there's a very big Oscar right but I agree I think Adams is the best performance in that oh thousand percent yeah so good also because she has the least sort of

[01:30:11] to grab on to and she's doing amazing stuff number five is an animated film that you love one of the most expensive films ever made tangled tangled yeah you know why it's so expensive no because they kept on trying to make a Rapunzel movie and then

[01:30:27] shutting it down like it was originally going to be 2d and then they shut down a few years later they started up and so when they reported the budget of that movie it included like four previous attempts to make that movie okay so it is always cited

[01:30:39] as like one of the five most expensive movies of all time but a lot of that's them having to write off development costs for entirely different films because the final budget is like 260 million right it's like insane that's correct yeah that's not

[01:30:51] super accurate but it kind of is the tourists is up there America has tourist fever they're taking the trip unstoppable which rules yeah cool or less which talk about a good last film yep not this though no do you date which you like

[01:31:09] yep love another drugs which is bad mm-hmm the king's speech which has only made two million dollars so far another movie that's fine it's okay it's the best Tom Hooper movie because it's the one that somehow is able to transcend his dumb instincts it's a really solid

[01:31:25] script it's a solid movie yeah it's fine well wow mega mind wow Mater what an episode mega minds in their fuck mega mind bad movie bad movie should we talk about we have coming next yeah let's announce it yeah right oh boy people theorize they really

[01:31:45] do love to theorize they do next week we have a bonus episode will be covering the movie Josie and the pussy cats and then after that mm-hmm our next mini series some of you guessed it some of you questioned it we've

[01:32:01] talked about him for as long as we've been talking about doing directors a long time ladies and gentlemen we are doing the films of Brad Bird because he's got a little picture coming out and think oh Brad could be really short only has three movies actually

[01:32:15] well I'm five and actually a six is coming out we're timing things perfectly iron giant boom incredible boom rather to boom boom mission in POS the bull ghost protocol which is your favorite action movie the last 10 years and then tomorrow oh tomorrow and right of course

[01:32:33] the blank checkiest yes and then incredible still incredible still also going to do the Han Solo movie assuming that comes out right he didn't direct that we're just saying that will also happen around this time to do that yeah but yes we're doing

[01:32:45] him we're gonna get to cover some animation I'm gonna get to talk Pixar great great great great what a whole life dog for myself great great great five hour episodes so tune in for that we don't have a name yet it's probably some mission podcastable I don't know

[01:32:59] about that is that the best we can do Potter and Gigh cast the the Incredicast yeah it's oh boy this is not bad because they're all one word titles I know I know POTTAGASTO LAN nah I've heard words I think we have to do ghost protocol

[01:33:15] which is weird because it'll make it sound like it's a mission impossible mini series well that's that's why I don't want to do it I know that's why I don't want to do it either but sometimes you got to make the tough decisions you got to send

[01:33:25] Jack Nicholson to jail Brad podcast bird okay that's what's called so stay tuned for that and of course at this point March Madness has been settled and we all know that Nancy Myers is the mini series that we will be doing in the fall I love the future

[01:33:45] so excited yes I can't wait to talk about the parent trap especially it's complicated I have some controversial opinions on and of course my controversial opinion is complicated no oh damn it all right you better mark all of those then welcome to the future

[01:34:09] what if James Albrooks comes at retirement does a sci-fi movie great well we'll recover covered on this podcast we've talked about how like all great filmmakers need to make a sci-fi movie he's got to make his space movie he's got to make his space movie

[01:34:21] what a yeah what a damp way to go out okay well that's how we're going out right how we're going out that's it yeah how do you know Ben we'll do our rankings next episode Ben doesn't know

[01:34:31] you know I do is there anything else we need to do now and of course we all know the week of the release of this episode that Donald Trump just admitted on Fox and friends that Michael Cohen represented him in the stormy Daniels payoff

[01:34:45] and then he tweeted about Kanye and Chance the rapper of course Griffin Newman called for him to fuck off thank you all for listening please remember to rate or subscribe and thank you to We Transfer and to Lightstream for sponsoring the show and stay tuned for the

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[01:35:59] type of burger and location and we will try to put it on the podcast if we can that's 802 8 Burger Hello Blank Chuck podcast this is Adam calling from Los Angeles I got a fresh burger report for you guys just this past Sunday in LA East Hollywood

[01:36:17] at Burgers Never Say Die I saw Tyler the creator of Odd Future Wolfgang Kill Them All eating a burger and uh the great thing about burgers never say die I can tell you exactly what he ate because there's only one kind of burger double cheese burger

[01:36:35] with raw onion chopped diced ketchup and uh some pickle slices on there so very cool the chef also said that Phil Rosenthal creator of Everybody Loves Raymond was coming by to get burgers later but I cannot confirm if he did as I left before he arrived

[01:36:57] love the show fellas happy holidays and hello Fennel I got a cold burger report for you Tony I served a guy who played Archie Bunker a burger a Bison burger in Missoula Montana hey guys just a quick burger report last summer I went to an Atlanta Braves

[01:37:17] baseball game and saw none other than Mr. Mark Paul Gossler of Saved by the Bell Fame just chowing down on a burger and he looked like he was having a really good time it made me happy to see that he was happy you know so um thanks