[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to express All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check It's time to put an end to this idiotic podcast Never! How dare you!
[00:00:26] So we're talking about steel books We had to start recording, because we're talking about steel books We had to start recording because Ben had pushed away from the table and was just looking at the wall, maybe looking at his phone
[00:00:36] And to a certain degree had pushed away from civilization had sort of moved on from human society Our guest was saying that he had a problem with steel books because they wouldn't line up with the rest of his collection You have to sort of a chronalation
[00:00:51] So here's been my thing And I've talked about this with David because of course the Splank Check with Griffin Jesus Christ I thought I could get it started fast Go for it And I couldn't say the name of our gosh darn show
[00:01:08] Is Blank Check with Griffin and David You did it I'm Griffin I'm David It's a podcast about filmography Directors of Massive Success, early on in their career giving us areas of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want True And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes
[00:01:24] They bounce baby Oh that was what I was supposed to do I'm really concerned about what's happening right now This podcast episode is seconds old And people already know what it is Ben's desk now that is a mouth harp
[00:01:36] Originally called a Jews harp, a thing we've erased in culture Bring it back Speaking as a Jew, name more things after Jews He's handing it to you Ben's desk looks like the setup that William H. Macy has in Seabiscuit Oh yeah, like
[00:01:53] A reference that definitely plays with everybody Let's watch Seabiscuit Right now Gary Ross, minister, has went The tale of Desper Pott He didn't actually direct that But Ben has brought in four different That was a Randall Wallace joke Joint It was And joke Randall Wallace
[00:02:14] From Braveheart, my boy Did Tales of Desper? No it wasn't You're making it up He didn't do Seabiscuit No, oh he did Seabiscuit Yeah, he may have written it Did he? So it's Gary Ross Oh yeah, no, I mean Gary Ross directed it Of course
[00:02:27] Right, no there's no So misleading No, it's not Randall Wallace who is insane I rented this movie and I was Unpleasantly surprised By the lack of Randall Wallace? Well it's just about horses Yeah There are no seas or biscuits What did you think it was about? I know
[00:02:43] I thought it was about a wet cookie Okay And there it is This is the right miniseries for that though I think Ponyo is probably the closest to A wet cookie movie you could ever find Ben It's Secretariat that's Randall Wallace Secretariat
[00:02:53] I had to check this because I knew It must have been some horse movie he directed To listen at home Ben is still laughing at his own Seabiscuit joke He put his hand on David's shoulder He did, he did And I was fine with it
[00:03:04] I mean I liked the joke So Ben has I had my head in my hands He's got a mouth harp He's got a little bell He's got his red boy And then he also brought in recent ones Jesus I feel like I'm This is the most insane embellishment
[00:03:18] Uh, note to self Make sure that this episode comes out good Oh, I think you hit play Yeah, so Ben brought in a tape recorder To the studio recently and said Guys, I brought this in So you can use this for a bit sometime
[00:03:31] And we went, how do you mean And then he held it up to his mouth And said note to self Yeah, like he did like a Twin peaks, you know But the only thing you can really get Is this very slight like click noise Right Right
[00:03:46] Note to self As if we couldn't do that bit miming it In an audio format We probably have done it 25 years later Laura Dern will show up Having heard all of Ben's messages Except the other sound you can get
[00:03:58] Out of the tape recorder is the one that Ben Just got by accident, which is The voice of Satan Scary Not gonna lie That's like that movie White Noise Remember? Oh, Michael Keaton That's like Michael Keaton's lowest stab I feel It's kind of like Where it's like
[00:04:15] You know how there's creepy tape noises That's a movie When I I kind of like this movie called Angel Has Fallen Which at the time of recording is In three days from now As the commercials will tell us Because we now countdown to every Studio release
[00:04:29] There is the plot hinges on a Disguised voice It's obviously the vice president Is the big bad guy And he's disguising his voice There's only two other characters in the movie So you know if they're going to disguise the voice It's gotta be one of them
[00:04:40] Vice presidential villains They've got to be on this show There's so many of them But here's the thing Is that Danny Houston Who's obviously the other villain I appreciate it Wait a minute Well, Danny Houston plays a villain He can't Angel has fallen
[00:04:53] He's just too charming and sweet Angel has fallen knows That it's in a Danny Houston movie Or something along those lines Wow Because literally scene two It just cuts to Danny Houston And being like, yeah I'm the bad guy Like we're not even going to pretend
[00:05:05] That I'm not the bad guy But the thing is His main henchman His regular speaking voice Sounds like Ben's mom Having been slowed down His voice modified And it's just like Why didn't he It's just have him call I don't mean to freak you out
[00:05:18] But apparently the other villain Is Tim Blake Nelson I mean this is just crazy Those two guys playing villains They're up to no good Is Tim Blake playing Southern? What kind of type is he in the film? Now we wouldn't want to do that
[00:05:31] Right, is it one of those? Or is he sort of like a neat kind of... I'd say there's a 40 to 50% chance That Tim Blake Nelson will only learn That he's in this movie When he listens to this episode of the podcast
[00:05:46] Like he is just being Tim Blake Nelson Wait, Jada Pinkett Smith is in this movie? She never makes movies Jada Pinkett Smith rocks a beanie For 90 straight minutes And then spoilers for Angel Is falling a movie That you can now get at your local gas station
[00:06:00] By the time this episode comes out It gets shot in the face Real brutally by Danny Houston In a way she enters a double tap In everything She ain't going to be in You know Whatever, Nolty is falling Or whatever the fourth one is
[00:06:14] Thank God this is coming out Two months after the movie's been released Because otherwise people will be losing their shit With the White Hot Spoilers You're spilling all over the place Okay, can I say the steelbook thing? Yep What I do is I buy steelbooks for 4K Blu-rays
[00:06:30] So that way The lack of cohesion with the rest of the collection Doesn't irk me because it's like That's what differentiates these You know what I'm saying? Can you get 4K steelbooks? Yes Yes, my friend They must be pricey No, it's mostly a pre-order game Oh really?
[00:06:46] Because they're often retailer exclusives And it's usually about being on the ball Are they pricey on the second hand market? Yeah That's why they're a good investment What do you buy in? Should we talk about coal books? Let's talk about coal books Erlich was saying
[00:07:00] Our guest today is David Erlich of N2Y Where I write about coal books at length Right, he was saying that He thinks the better investment is in coal books Yeah, because I think With our great president Pushing coal back into the
[00:07:12] Back into the daily fabric of American lives Clean coal, a very real thing That steelbook You're just throwing your money away You're just throwing your money away Coal books Gets a little ashy on the hands But Will help pay for your grandchildren Right, and if you're cold
[00:07:26] Toss that right in the time Throw your coal book of angels Falling right into the fire And it'll be warm for a month Anyway, this was all brought upon Because I got an email confirmation That my John Wick chapter 3 A steelbook had shipped That's pretty gold For applause
[00:07:43] Did I tell you to parabellum? Yes You know, the idea To change from the way they were Titling those movies That parabellum introduced Erked me as much As the size of the steelbooks This is so wrong Relative to us movies Here's my counter-argument So wrong
[00:08:00] I made this argument on Twitter to you What's your Here's my counter-argument What if chapter 4 Has four parts to its title Exactly, it has to The game has to be It has to get more pretentious every time Right John Wick Okay, I get it
[00:08:15] Right, don't set him off You got that John Wick chapter 2 I'm like, oh classy Yes John Wick chapter 3 Let's get some Latin in there Parabellum You have a dash endicolon Or two colons What's the punctuation there? Let's see It's a I can't remember
[00:08:31] I keep confusing it with Mission Impossible It's John Wick Column Chapter 3 M dash Parabellum It's the Mission Impossible style Right So as long as chapter 4 adds another element I'm fine with it If it tops out at 3 I will be furious Yes John Wick Column Chapter 4 M dash
[00:08:49] And then like a Shakespeare quote Maybe and then in brackets Like the quadratic equation I don't know Or backslash Backslash Maybe Maybe like a squared Chapter 4 is a URL Yeah I gotta say I'm back-squaring Listening to your Alien cube Alien cube I mean classic
[00:09:06] No one could ever type Listening to your take on John Wick 3 Col- John Wick colon Chapter 3 Dash Parabellum And you mentioned that Keanu At the sort of bottomed out At the valley of his sadness With 47 Ronan Correct I felt walking around the city yesterday Listening to that episode
[00:09:26] A real and profound twinge of guilt For my This is back in my film.com days Where we'd rank things on a pitchfork like Scale with decimals up to 10 I think it was my 0.5 Review of 47 Ronan But here's why I said it You shouldn't feel shame
[00:09:42] Because if that film had been successful We would not have gotten John Wick John Wick comes out of a man having nothing left So in a way I played a small part in I- I think so Maybe a large part I think so
[00:09:56] John Wick is a film that can only come out of someone needing to Be reborn like a phoenix Out of the tattered ashes of their big budget career 100% 100% Right, because he did his emotional rock bottom before that And then his career also bottoms out And he's doing like
[00:10:11] Direct to video dramas Yeah Right And then John Wick comes to us like a gift I don't know, I bet 47 Ronan's a masterpiece though There are 47 of them There are 47 35 Ronan They gotta release the cider cut That's true
[00:10:23] That's one of those movies that had like a three hour cut And then they fired the director Wasn't the director like a visual effects guy? Yeah He was like a Right Also I mean like the Mizuguchi 47 Ronan The Tushin Gura is like five hours long
[00:10:36] It's a long story It's like one of the most legendary stories 20 minutes to each Ronan I had a dream that Keanu It was I guess a dream set in the future Wins best actor for chapter three, Parabellum And in watching the telecast The mood was like
[00:10:54] Well right of course And they gave him a standing ovation Right And he was like Oh God I'm not surprised but it still feels good He was joking about the fact that he had just like Fucking racked up hardware all season That it was a given thing
[00:11:10] Yeah, he has like a He gets how he says it came true Like he's like talking about every part of the speech I had a dream last night that I got a $14,000 bonus at work
[00:11:19] Which is funny because I've never gotten a bonus at any job I've ever had And I've spent all day very depressed Because you don't have I've had that where you write You had good news in the dream And you wake up and you're like
[00:11:32] It just like slowly slides off of you I used to work in a very old school place That was bad at giving you raises But every year there was that Christmas bonus It was very old fashioned That kind of like It's a wonderful life Kind of like
[00:11:45] Things have begun this year Like check your envelope on your desk Do you know what my one is? I many times have had the dream Where I get the call To be a ghostbuster? I answer the call I haven't had that They're gonna be men now Thank God
[00:12:03] Well no, but David they're giving it back to the fans That's a few And about time The fans have no controller They should be rewarded for every year of behavior Imagine if fans Like if the release of movies corresponded to fan behavior Like you'd be like
[00:12:23] Yeah, no movies this year Sorry, you know what I mean? Like yeah My little pony fans are fine You got a movie What's about it? What movie are the My Little Pony Fans Getting for their behavior? Yeah, right exactly Book club stands You guys are alright
[00:12:38] What was your dream? My dream And I've had this a couple times Back on track of this tangent Of course This could be our cleanest Sharpest Leanest episode Ever My dream that I've had several times Is that someone Dropped out of hosting a Saturday Night Live
[00:12:55] Like an hour before the show goes Oh sure like an emergency situation It's an emergency And I host the show cold reading Off of cue cards Sketches I have not looked at Would they have told the Live and or viewing audience About what had happened?
[00:13:10] I've had both variations But in both versions Of the dream people are coming up to me And they're like this is gonna make your This is incredible What you're doing is incredible It's like I'm like pitching like a no hitter Your version of the Mark Wahlberg movie
[00:13:25] Where he gets drafted into the Philadelphia Inminsible Right they pluck me up And they go like no one else Timberlake didn't answer the phone Baldwin's in the Hampton He can't get back in time He missed his jitney We need You're the fifth person on the list
[00:13:40] We need you to do it And while I'm doing it In between your sketches They're just like you're doing it You're really doing it And I think like oh my god My career's gonna be transformed tomorrow I'm gonna have my pick of the litter
[00:13:51] And then I wake up In my bed Hey, you're a bed though Yeah it's got those linen sheets That's Brooklyn and she It's the one thing keeping me going right now Worst place to speak Griffin David I got a question for you Who's this handsome fashionable gentleman
[00:14:05] Sitting to your right Or your left My right Ben Hosley The name doesn't ring a bell Is it go by any other Aaliyahsus? Let me try a couple Let me just try a couple Fine I'm a face of similiar I wanna help Erlich out here
[00:14:19] I did shave the recent one Yeah maybe that's it Maybe he just shaved He's producer Ben Producers Ben Deuser Yeah Produer Ben The poet Laureate The haze The meat lover The fart detective The peeper Not ringing any bells He is not Professor Crispy No
[00:14:37] He is the fuck master Never heard of him He's a tie breaker He's soaking white Benny He's white hot Benny He's birthday Benny Very dry He's graduated with a certain tall Of course of different masters Oh that might explain it Like I don't know Calle Ben Okay
[00:14:50] Producers Ben Canopy Ben Eshamlin Ben Sate Say Ben anything dot dot dot Aalibens with a dollar sign Warhawz Yeah Produer Bain I think I read about him one Ben 19 the fennel maker No Eat drink Ben Hosley That's a good one Yeah Aanglish You can live with that one
[00:15:08] Mr. Ben Cradible Doesn't sound right Beetle vape juice Uh... Oh is he public Benami number one He's public Benami He is public Benami number one Now it's all Now I know where I know him from Rubble husk Oh it's so good to see him
[00:15:25] Am I forgetting any other ones? I don't know Do you know the one that was just thrown out on Reddit That I just want to select now Hossaka Of the Valley of the Wind No Of the Vape It's of the ditch of the Jersey Of course It's beautiful
[00:15:44] That rules The Jersey of the Ditch The Jersey of the Ditch I forget which way it is But that's, I think that's the answer Right, Hossaka Yeah, Hossaka That's cool Of the Jersey I'm so honored to be on the titular episode This is Of course The titular episode
[00:15:59] Because we're covering the films at Hayamiya Zaki And this Is A main series called Howl's Moving Podcast Quite controversial No one's happy with it Really? I just feel like everyone had their own one they wanted Because there were so many different Ways we could go with this
[00:16:15] That was a big pressure Whereas very often times There's like only one answer Sure But even when there's only one answer They're like, well Right What about you, Podacrate, gate cast Oh boy The whole point is that this time We had three different movies
[00:16:29] That had Castle in the title So then everyone liked all the different variations And whether you keep podcasts I posted it on fucking Twitter poll They picked this one I know Howl's Moving Podcast Listen, the fans were well behaved Gotta deal with the fans' want They're well behaved
[00:16:43] And so we've been picked up for another seven years That's why we're back for an all male episode We're rewarding our fans with another Four bros talking about Miyazaki episode It's Howl's Moving Castle They were like Very introduced them But he's a guest so nice
[00:16:56] We got introduced him twice Oh, hello Wait, a question About being a guest on this show Please Four-timers clip now Well You are You're getting to where I'm getting here You could say that I'm joining The Pathetic Four-timers Club Or Or You could Include the Patreon commentary episodes
[00:17:16] Yeah, this is an ongoing question among the fans And really say that I'm in the five and a half Timers Club Right Here's my answer I don't care Mmm Okay, here's my answer I care a lot Yeah, so I figured that would be
[00:17:27] That we would sort of trade this off And for me, I think it's It's five on the mothership Mmm I think it's five on the mothership And my take on this is It's sort of the asterisk That sometimes happens on SNL Wikipedia pages Where it's like Paul Simon
[00:17:43] Total number of appearances Number Of appearances Number But then it's like hosted five times Additional 12 times as musical guests Sans host Ben, can you hear somebody's heart Breaking with these mics? Yeah, I'm picking that one Oh, great, okay I think you got a gentleman's four Plus a Patreon
[00:18:02] Which is its own count And a half Patreon and a half Patreon and a half Because he popped in for the last part Of Dr. Strange It's a little poppin' It's a little poppin' You got a poppin' You got a poppin' Mary Poppins She returned
[00:18:17] I was on a Patreon episode What do you think Seinfeld Thought of Mary Poppin turned That was Ross That was Ross That wasn't my I know that wasn't your Seinfeld I do wish Seinfeld, as the father Of several young children Did stand up routines about the movies
[00:18:35] He takes his kids to You know, cause you know He's seeing all these movies I want to deal with these ugly dolls I'm not that ugly I'm a B movie and I was trying to be a statement What's the deal with being ugly? Only on Dr. Strange
[00:18:49] I'm domestic It sounds like it should have performed better Do you think he took them all to see The documentary Honey Land Only to be very disappointed Where are the bees? It's some old lady I can't do it Why am I not doing it right now
[00:19:01] He narrated Honey Land as Barry B. Benson His character from B movie Thank you, my mountain honey Should we do the B movie franchise on Patreon? What now? So B movie and then all those YouTube videos Have you seen those? The one where it doubles in speed
[00:19:17] Every time someone says B Do you know about that? If you're watching the movie For three solid minutes it's just the movie It's the best corner of YouTube Listen, I'm still looking for hot ones I have yet to graduate to that level Of YouTube It's huge
[00:19:31] Idris Elba became a cross-internet meme Yeah Him coughing He was so hot on that episode By every definition I was just watching it and I was like I fucking get it You know what I'm saying? 100% I mean I've always gotten it but 100% Because when he's in casual mode
[00:19:52] He's just as hot if not hotter I feel like I hadn't seen enough of him In casual mode And I had been like This is a handsome man And obviously an incredible actor I saw him in the back of a bar Until you were at Colorado one year
[00:20:03] And he was just sitting there Playing pool with one leg up And no one would go So he was shooting like a details cover Yeah, but no one would go into the back room Where he was because he was too hot Like there was a presence Right
[00:20:16] Like you couldn't break the seal It's like going into the speed room at the gym It's like five minutes You're like I gotta leave I'm sorry I need to call it an hour Too much The hot ones one is incredible And it's also like
[00:20:26] Every answer he is equally popular He is equally passionate Knowledgeable and charismatic speaking about And he'll like test him on different things And he's like So I understand you like to play water polo And he's like Oh yeah, I love water polo
[00:20:39] When the guy asks him if he wants a Spice your hot sauce Does he say turn it up Charlie He does Turn it up Charlie He does Oh it's turned up Charlie Turn it up Charlie Yeah it is crazy He will still just kind of do anything
[00:20:52] It's a thing I find very interesting about him And he's talked about this honestly Social mate He's talked openly about like I think in today's media culture You cannot be precious You need to do all of it Which is funny because he was in Hobbes and Shaw
[00:21:06] Which literally stars the opposite Like someone who's become kind of precious About their image But there's something kind of incredible Not Statham to be clear Statham's more of a you know Omnivore There's something kind of incredible About the fact that Idris Elba Has so many times now played
[00:21:19] The villain in a big Hollywood movie And has not gotten stereotyped As a villain actor He can also play the hero Can also do drama Well he has the advantage of Nobody gives a shit about the movies Where he plays the villain I say what you're saying
[00:21:33] That it's like not sticking to him But it's not like Star Trek Beyond Left much of a taste in anybody's mouth He's great in Star Trek Beyond That's a great movie I think it's really good The one that's bad is um Hobbes and Shaw's not very good
[00:21:43] Hobbes and Shaw Is there another one I guess it's just Jungle Book He's very good in Jungle Book You have to give him that I mean he's got a great book Yeah He's good But then yeah But then he'll be in like Molly's game Right
[00:21:54] You know Dark Tower He's the hero Right Is that movie underrated? Time will tell And he's the new I'm so happy that I can't have an opinion on that film He is the new lead of Suicide Squad Right Right Yeah Right and he's like one of Thor's friends
[00:22:09] Yeah And they were like Do you want to do more And he's like Sure Yeah Whatever Was he an end game? Yeah No He gets killed Spoilers Oh that's right He dies in Infinity War In the movie Marathon They started Infinity War in 3D
[00:22:26] And the 3D was broken And so after waiting for two full days there To just be the first people to see Infinity War Everyone missed the scene where he dies Really? Cause they had to like turn it off Oh no he dies
[00:22:37] No he dies in the first scene of Endgame No first scene of Infinity War Yeah Yeah okay Yeah cause they had to Fucking fix the 3D That they shouldn't be projecting in the first place Right that's the cold open of Infinity War
[00:22:47] Is that a skill in some as guardians The movie pretty much starts On the sword going into Idris Elba's chest Right Cause then you get the panaceas for real You can kill gods Yeah And if you thought that was rough Wait until he takes off his armor
[00:23:00] Right that's another And he's sleeveless Wait until you see him farm In the endgame Our friend This guy can pick Millie Esther Zuckerman's boyfriend Just told me such a good Josh Brolin story Really? That I in no way can tell On this bike Off mic though
[00:23:17] Definitely involves his penis Oh boy It 100% involves his penis Fantastic Okay I'm gonna tell a story that I think I can tell on this podcast Is it about your penis? Yeah it's about my penis So Josh Brolin and I were hanging out And I mean hanging out
[00:23:32] Derek Simon, one of my old friends A friend of the show, future guest He went to see Fuck what movie was it It was when he was at NYU And they were screening some film And Josh Brolin was doing Q&A afterwards For the NYU film department
[00:23:48] And Derek went up to him afterwards And I might be getting this wrong But it was a variation on this His question he would always ask when he met celebrities was Something like Ninjas vs. Robots Oh like what's your prefer? He enjoyed just asking sons context
[00:24:06] Hi Mr. Brolin, like big fan If I could just ask you quickly Ninjas vs. Robots And Josh Brolin had like a nervous break Oh he was Instead of just being like Get out of here man He was like I mean robots obviously made him metal Stronger
[00:24:21] He was like what did you just say And Derek was like Ninjas vs. Robots And he was like why did you ask me that Why did you ask me that And Josh Brolin's entourage was like Yo Josh come down
[00:24:31] He's like no no I need to understand what this kid is doing And then he was like Just pick one Like Derek maintained his cool And he was like I don't know In what context What are you talking about And the way he finally like
[00:24:45] Derek tried to calm down I'm sorry I just I want to say I'm very excited to see you in true grit And he's like true grit I'm like barely in them I'm like the fourth build but seventh clean It was like four months before it came out
[00:24:56] And he was like I know I worked like a day on that Yeah He's kind of crucial in true grit True Brit He is great in true grit He's a mate but like he is Obviously just right at the end there But it's beautiful because they build up
[00:25:09] The whole movie and he shows up and he's like What are you doing? Are you in true Brit? I mean some would dispute it but Wait Erlich why would you say that? Because he does his interest Elbow voice so well Wait rewind the tape for a second Ben
[00:25:24] I feel like we lost something there That David said Ben and I both scrambled for the tape recorder It's a nice rewinding Okay and Okay and I'm listening because there was something That Sim said that I I grew up in Brit What Wait
[00:25:42] Wait that's what I call smooth podcasting Wait But to self that was good In this particular context Given recent information that's come to light Light on this podcast Uh huh Isn't Griffin Newman actually a true Brit? What Oh Jesus we can't expand the bin
[00:25:59] I don't mean to do that I don't want to play all the hits here Yeah seriously I'm just saying that this is This is the fans This is Jason Reitman's ghostbusters The fans are somehow writing it I'm getting paid by the reddit
[00:26:11] For each reference I can fit in there Your father was fully British? Yeah Okay so you're full 50% biologically British Britain if he's in my blood No my dad yeah my dad was What does Britain look like in someone's blood Is it like minced pie Yeah exactly
[00:26:28] It's a dense dry fruitcake It's a you know Yorkshire pudding Very funny keep it going Yeah no my dad was from Serviton Yeah Which is a very dull part of London Incredibly dull No offense to any Servitonites listening Oh boy we just Wait a second
[00:26:49] But like I would go Our Patreon just dragged down to $100 I'm gonna see this on a Twitter moment It was all Turbot and Money Blank Check podcast toast in hot water For anti-Serviton comments Protest at the town square Keep your name out of your mouth Day Americans
[00:27:07] Now Serpenton it's like you know It's kind of like a commuter suburb But I don't know Have you spent time there Yeah well we used to have to go there To visit his family And it was always kind of like Alright let's go to Serpenton
[00:27:18] Like it was always a little boring No offense to Serpenton You know what I like I like when people say uni I like to go to uni I went to uni I just got a little jolt of happiness I went to uni
[00:27:30] Yeah I went to oh I was at uni That's a real like Richard Curtis script Primary school Primary school secondary school And then uni Yeah College means your last two years Of what you would call high school Where I know six form college I feel like Elizabeth Warren
[00:27:44] Can pass Sometimes people go to a specific Because like sell her presidency on You know subsidized college Free college if you just call it uni Rebranded in this uni That would be so good Which you got a uni I went to Newcastle People don't know that
[00:27:57] I'm an alumnus Of the university of Newcastle Alright you don't have to brag We know you went to London Jesus Keep in your fucking ass Who are you just for lunch Wow I'm not gonna just make jokes around What I think the Josh Brolin story
[00:28:09] Might be with no further information You know I just want that to be the story Like it's like I got a story for you About insert celebrity I'm like saw that day Yep and pretty good Pretty good Anyway I get why you's a star
[00:28:24] That thing's ready for camera No powder required Do they powder your dick If you're gonna whip it out Well thank you for asking me I don't know Body makeup is certainly a thing That's to be right Yeah it is Basic principles you're shining bright lights On your body
[00:28:43] Body makeup is certainly a thing But you rarely see the on-screen peen And when you do it so often For comedic effect That I feel like they want it to look bad I will say that in the This movie will have already been in theaters
[00:28:54] By the time this episode comes out But in Hustlers there's a dick That there's only one dick It's really the only nudity in the movie And I thought to myself When I saw it That is not a powdered dick But they told us before the movie
[00:29:06] That the visual The movie wasn't finished yet Color correction not quite And so I think when they said that They really just They meant they had to go back and powder that dick We gotta add a little light Hustlers is like Stuber R-rated comedy with only a dick
[00:29:20] Hustlers is not a comedy I mean it's funny But you know what I mean But like you know R-rated movie Yeah but the principle of that is cooler That's what I'm saying Because Hustlers is about strippers And then pointedly only has a penis And that rules Right
[00:29:33] That's such a good dream Only has a penis I mean there are All that stuff about J.Lo being in it Lies There are some She's not in it It's two hours of a penis getting close up And it's Hustler And it's Hustler It's Hustler
[00:29:45] I'm amazed that Hustlers is good Considering the amount of fucking like Hustlers movies I know They were all bad And now this is Finally they were like You know what Don't make him American Right Like get all the other Hustlin' out of there Can't wait to see Hustlers
[00:30:02] Yeah Can't wait to see that tiff Is the peen from like a notable actor? Jesus It's from Lawrence Lawrence Olivia's peen Lawrence Olivia Just in a jog They dug it up Yeah right No it is of Someone I've never seen before That's one of my favorite jokes ever
[00:30:17] But when Gone Girl came out Everyone was arguing about The Ben Affleck peen And whether or not they saw it And how visible it was Connor Atliff joke was like You know everyone's saying It's hard to find this Penis in the movie That they didn't see it
[00:30:29] It's actually very visible People are looking on the wrong Place It's in one of the scenes Where they're arguing It's just on a shelf behind them A little Easter egg for ya Ben Affleck's peen It's on a shelf over his shoulder You actually removed it
[00:30:43] Did I say this on the podcast? Just the arc of Ben Affleck's career Like It's hot It looks a lot like a test Back Right Affleck's good And then people were like He wins an Oscar And then people were like His penis is huge
[00:30:56] And now he's down to zero again Right Phoenix tattoo Broken Batman How does he rebound this time? It looks like I actually have two penises You know, tie for a best picture He must be so angry that With myself? Michael Fassbender used the big peen
[00:31:11] For positive but through him Yes The big peen would be used for evil Yeah Oh boy Alright how was movie cast? What do you think of Hayao Miyazaki? Oh boy Big fan Big peen You know I'm giving Griffin an incredulous look A Monster peen
[00:31:30] Everybody knows that in Japan Alright The Think about it I was thinking about this earlier Because I had a feeling that Hayao Miyazaki Was going to come up on the house moving Castle podcast Maybe And I was thinking like This is a guy I have a very
[00:31:44] And I mean this in the most objective And pejorative sense of the word Academic mind when it comes to film Study the That sort of background And it's really hard for me to apply the same Or look at Miyazaki through the same lens Like for me He is
[00:32:00] The term that I arrived at On my walk here Was that Miyazaki is daddy He is He is Like the classic sense Yeah Miyazaki's father No I mean I think of his Movies As I'm not saying they are beyond screwed
[00:32:18] And they don't like to think of them that way But like I'm a lot less interested In how the sausage is made It's an emotional change When it comes to him Right It feels like it's sort of Yeah just baked into Who I am a little bit more
[00:32:29] It's become sort of a language Especially with Todoro Through which I communicate With the next generation of kids in my family My nieces I'm sure my son will Have a steady dose of Miyazaki I think we shouted your unborn son out on the page
[00:32:44] Yeah he'll probably be a five time On this podcast before I am But whatever A ponio or something Little pons And Yeah no I Howl early I remember distinctly Forcing my dad to drive me up to Norwalk Connecticut To go see the Billy Bob Thorne and Claire
[00:33:03] I was going to say Claire Zinni, Mononoke Which would have been quite a thing The Claire Danes, Mononoke And so that was back in what 1999 so even then I was already like And my dad That would have been like nails on a chalkboard for him
[00:33:19] He just could not respond to Japanese animation I think he took out a newspaper During the movie And did the crossword puzzle Which has been a brightly lit theater Well he tried his best Your dad had fucking supervision He tried his best But no I
[00:33:32] Miyazaki is very important to me But how did you It was totally like how are you I think it was actually It's hard to I think it was actually through Kurosawa Because Kurosawa was sort of my gateway In two movies in general And I always liked animation
[00:33:45] And so it seemed like a logical leap But I can't remember what came first My love for Miyazaki Or if that was the Logical end of my fascination with anime Because I'm a little anime boy Especially during the height of the DVD era
[00:34:01] Like when they started putting out the Cowboy Bebops, the Razifons, the Neo-Genesis Even Galeans And stuff was readily available for the first time Right it was like I would get like The read or die DVDs to be like Griffin Newman if he didn't have his head
[00:34:11] So far up his ass just like Licking Pixar's fucking prostate Would live for this shit Which is apparently in his ass What can I say I love the good dinosaur Would live for this But I And so I was mainlining that stuff
[00:34:26] Which was a very expensive hobby at the time Sure Because you would have to You wanted to watch four episodes of Cowboy Bebop You would need to buy a $30 DVDs Yes, yes But And then one way or the other Really got hooked on the Miyazaki stuff Which
[00:34:38] It's truly timeless and beautiful But I wanted to do this movie because You wanted to do a movie You were not in love with Yeah Right And one that I wanted an excuse to rewatch Because Yeah, I wasn't sure I felt about it
[00:34:50] I thought we'd hash it out I had not seen this movie in a long time I saw it at the Avon Theater In Stanford, Connecticut on the day it came out There And I told I remember about it I saw it in Boston
[00:35:02] I was living in Boston that summer I remember And I Talked with my aunt Where I was like living with my aunt and uncle For the summer Doing an internship at the Boston Phoenix RIP And With Peter Keough Not RIP Still going strong
[00:35:16] I just got some very bad news Harrison Ford is done My aunt was We don't need to go to that, Ben My aunt was such a sucker for Remaining such a like She just wants to see Like any new interesting Foreign film Art film Right
[00:35:32] And so I took her to that She'd never seen a Miyazaki film before But at this point He has won the Oscar Spirit of the Way has happened He's sort of known Even my people don't know him by name Is like who's that Japanese guy
[00:35:40] That once says so good Yeah and it's the point at which Like yeah If he has If he has a blank check Which he doesn't This is it Well he falls into the I mean I Want to open this up as a side Conversation in a second
[00:35:53] But he's a very different type of check Because it's putting up The check he gets post Nassica as the capital To then be able to write his own Checks for the rest of it And then Totoro Turns the bang Turning it into basically Disney Like Japan's Walt Disney
[00:36:10] But he's like what we covered With Spielberg except We were fascinated in the DreamWorks Area of Spielberg because it's when He's also a studio chief and can Like finances on movies And all of that sort of shit But that comes after like this
[00:36:22] 20-year miracle run of him being Like the most commercial filmmaker Ever Whereas Miyazaki like puts up his Steak pretty early on in his Career And then gets to do whatever he wants There's a really interesting article I read that I want to bring into This as well But
[00:36:36] You go to see with your own Who was not a Miyazaki fan Had never seen a Miyazaki movie And we watch it And my uncle I saw with my aunt and uncle My uncle was kind of like I don't know I don't get it
[00:36:47] Like he was sort of non-plus But my aunt was like I don't know if I liked that But I've definitely never seen Anything like it So I was like alright Well let's watch Spirited Away Because you know maybe that'll Be the one That'll be your jam
[00:37:00] So remember I was watching that too And she was still like I don't think this is for me But it is at least Like I am interested to be Exposed to this So I was hoping to delay this Recording as long as possible
[00:37:09] So I could listen to more Of the podcast and I failed But the Because I don't know what you guys Have talked about already But it is hard to overstay When you talk about Miyazaki's popularity Even by this point How ubiquitous Studio Ghibli stuff is
[00:37:25] When you go to Japan It is truly I mean often times You know it's Chashkis And then touristy areas But it is everywhere So great segue to the thing I want to talk about I'm trying to remember how this came To my attention
[00:37:36] Maybe someone posted on the red And I want to give them credit But I can't find it But I read this article About one of the people Who's maybe the head Of Studio Ghibli In terms of business operations Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah Who was talking about
[00:37:49] Their history with merchandising Because we've been talking About over the course Of this May series How it's kind of weird It seems to go against Most of Miyazaki's principles That those films are Merchandised well And I was hypothesizing That it was perhaps Like a Jim Henson type thing
[00:38:06] Where like Henson always Sort of viewed it as Like not a necessary evil But like a necessary concession Where it's like This gives me the resources To be able to make my dark crystal To keep these characters In the public enough That they become bankable
[00:38:19] That I can use them For other things What have you And then perhaps Miyazaki Came to some sort of conclusion Like that What I found out from this article Was that everyone was trying To merchandise these films For a long time And he didn't want to do it
[00:38:30] Because kids, they read the thing And he was like No, no, no, no, no Which of course Made people work harder And harder to try to sell them On the idea And they were like Eventually someone came Into our office as a company With a totoro plush
[00:38:42] That was so well crafted That he had to concede That the thing that won him over Where he was like You have put as much care And attention into the crafting Of this toy as I do Into my films I recognize the work I concede
[00:38:56] But that the thing That they agreed upon was We cannot make more than Ten million dollars In any year off of merchandising So they cap how many Merchandising deals they have Per year And how much they can produce Because they're like We need to artificially limit
[00:39:15] The amount of merchandising That's going out there So we can retain to some degree The purity of the character That is the most un-American thing I've ever heard about It blew my fucking mind And he was like We found out I found out at some point
[00:39:27] That the people in the back office Were hiding from me That our grosses had exceeded that That we had started tipping Towards like 15 And I got angry and fired them all And like reset it And it was like Ten is the limit
[00:39:39] Now there's so much stuff out there Because now it's been Merchandised for like 20 years Well this is where I actually Cross over into the toy world The only place really Is like when you talk about Gunned Which is the company That makes a lot of the
[00:39:51] Higher end Totoro stuff Yeah I mean like The Totoro toys Which again I've used as like life lines To my nieces Are like so well designed That's the thing They're crazy well made And they're pretty limited In terms of what the range is And it also feels like
[00:40:05] They're cycling stuff out Like there aren't like Evergreen Like oh this is always produced It's like every year There's like a new line There's always some Totoro in circulation But I'll see as I've been Like mapping this stuff That like certain years Certain films have larger Merchandising presidencies
[00:40:21] Than others And not just tied to What's the most recent There's a lot of No-face stuff out there Right now Yeah but I'm just saying There's like a cycle to it Where it's like you know He does have a face He went to that
[00:40:33] And he said I want to take my face off But that's all he did Have you seen that video That was going around Of like the on set video Of Travolta and Cage Shooting that scene Amazing We were never so lucky As to have face off No
[00:40:50] You know what I mean I mean I'll say it anytime I can For a film that's discussed a lot We do not discuss enough That the second act of face off Is a magnet jail escape Magnet jail Yeah everyone got so excited
[00:41:02] When fucking Guy Pearce went to space jail But it was like you all slept on magnet jail I think when I first saw face off When I was 12 or whatever Like yeah I was like This movie is like Nicholas Cage And they didn't need John Travolta's soft bases
[00:41:13] And they like jump in the air and shoot guns Right Like the magnet jail Is not touched on much It's like 45 minutes It's basically like The Guardians of the Galaxy They're shooting the scene Where John Travolta is telling Cage Who is actually John Travolta Under his face
[00:41:26] Wait a second What? The face is off He's playing the premise of face off You're saying they took his face Does he see H.Pounder figure into this? What a Margaret show Alright don't send me down The E.R. rabbit hole But the So he's like
[00:41:41] I'm gonna go fuck your wife Whatever And he like grabs Nicholas Cage And then they call cut And John Travolta's like Or one of them is like Did I hurt you or whatever And John Travolta walks away And he's so giddy At how fucking wild this movie is
[00:41:55] But they just goes He makes the broken arrow Like weee He like jumps up and down He's like this is nuts I love it And Nicholas Cage is like Quivering in the corner Because he's so in this character Oh that's great Two great performances
[00:42:09] The other crazy thing that came out In this article that I read Sure Is that And this is Talking about another thing That's super un-American But I read this And it almost made me cry Yeah Especially like Fearing the kind of Feeling the kind of Generalized anxiety
[00:42:24] I do about the state Of the entertainment industry Right now He was like Look people always try to say to me Why don't you Allow for more merchandising Because Then you'll have the money To make whatever you need to make And he was like
[00:42:39] I have been very adamant In the way I ran this company That we do not need to Make a profit every year And we do not need To increase profits every year Right And it's fine if we have A down year Was this interview conducted Before like 2015
[00:42:53] Or after This was Now I need to find it Because some of that logic As much as I respected Came around to bite them in the ass A little bit Sure and now they're opening The theme park I feel like it was probably Around 2015 But
[00:43:07] His point he was making Which is a thing that people Don't think about anymore Where he's like There's this psychology This mentality of like Every quarter needs to be bigger Than the last quarter And bigger than the Comparative quarter from the Previous year And all of that
[00:43:20] And I think that's unsustainable And you need to accept that Like sometimes A year is bigger Or smaller And I don't want the company to grow Like I want the company to stay At a manageable size I want to like Commit to numbers where
[00:43:32] Like we won't go under Where no single film has Ability to like You know kick us under But also we can survive Without making a movie For a year or two He doesn't want a dark phoenix Right Right Exactly And the merchandising Thing is part of that
[00:43:46] And then he also talked about Not wanting the films On streaming platforms And he was like Look there's no amount Of money that matters to us You know we know our operational costs We don't want the films to be Flattened On a platform It makes sense
[00:44:01] Where then it becomes Just another piece of They're afraid of you Turning it on and watching it In the background Right You know what I mean It's sort of that thing Right In the same way that they're Afraid of like What if you just like
[00:44:15] Slap ponio on anything Yeah Exactly Right I understand that They want to retain some sort Of control over how We exist in our culture And I've seen debates And I saw Like a ponio lunchbox Debates playing out on our Reddit Ponio on ham Yeah But like
[00:44:30] People being like it But you know it's better If it's on Netflix because You know more people get to see it And access and all that And it's like But you're putting it in the hands Of a for-profit company Yeah That is going to do
[00:44:40] What it wants with it Once it's on its platform Like it's not Netflix is not A fucking public resource Yes Which people think it is Yes Anyway I would love like that video A mortal iconic video Of Miyazaki talking about that AI-driven animation
[00:44:55] I finally watched it for the first time This morning Had not seen it before Right, I mean they're putting that Video on the criterion collection Later this year So we wanted to see it We're doing an episode just on that video This person has not experienced pain
[00:45:04] In their life But like they And he's like Right now I would say I have The looks on their face I would love to see A version of that video About someone Talking about Netflix Or trying to sell Miyazaki On Netflix Right, right, right
[00:45:20] I want a series of those videos Just out there Like the You know, Ricky Gervais Meeting all his like Comedy idols And all of them hating him Right, or you know Or just The Hitler downfall But you know Miyazaki reacting to S No but I also I want
[00:45:37] I would like the mean version Of it to be But you also just want to see Like and now Ricky's obsessed With this guy And the guy's like Oh hi You're like this all the time Ricky's like Yeah I want the Different titans In the industry
[00:45:50] Present themselves to Miyazaki Here's our vision of art You guys have a celebrity podcast now though It's like Dax Shepard Talking to Bert R... I mean Bert Reynolds dead Never won an armchair expert He might have gotten in the armchair Time I don't know
[00:46:01] Can I tell you a secret armchair? Like this podcast is fine I want to be an armchair expert Everyone wants to be an armchair Who the fuck is armchair? I love that show You know I just got to say Can I just say briefly
[00:46:10] And it's going to be very topical By the time this episode comes up Dax Shepard's podcast The sixth biggest podcast on the internet Can I just say There's a list now We can officially say like six I mean I look at the iTunes
[00:46:21] There is a framed record shaped Like whatever it's called Jewel case of the blank check artwork In the hallway of audio Yes, yes, yes Sorry, we appreciate it Right, we've gone platinum I just want to say briefly Because you know It was so worried about
[00:46:38] That this podcast was going to fade From existence That it would disappear Like the photo and back to the future And not only will we not be able To keep making it But the past episodes will never existed Right We'll be in white From the timeline
[00:46:50] Classic on my own Grandpas kind of situation I just want to say from the bottom of my heart Thank you Conan O'Brien For saving the podcast No, no, no He created it I disagree with this mark He made the first podcast And now we can continue living
[00:47:02] I not only listen to Conan show religiously It's a great podcast But also And the first one The writers podcast That they put on Fridays I'm struggling with the Andy Richter one But I do want to say And I was thinking about this earlier
[00:47:13] A big thank you to the blank check boys For not having seasons Mmm So that's a fucking podcast Conan keep recording Let's go Yeah, we have many series But we don't like take breaks in between You know, I'll be back in October Fuck you
[00:47:25] I'll be here every week The only people who do I love that for me Yeah, thanks Ben The only people who do seasons Are people who are in a position Cowards To renegotiate their deal structure In between seasons But anyway It's a long way of saying
[00:47:38] That Miyazaki very important to me The Wind Rises My favorite animated movie ever made Number one So this is The Wind Rises is like a speakable It's like when I rewatched it I was like, right, we can't talk about it I am very afraid of listening to that
[00:47:52] Episode of this podcast Almost as afraid of it Would be as if I were on it She's gonna be us talking about Josh Brolin's dick Oh great But I saw you gave it Like five stars in a letter We'll know the story This thing, he's slaying it
[00:48:02] All over town But House Moving Castle Is, does feel like the first Of his movies Where the animation style Southerly Cause they introduced some digital elements Yes, many Which are kind of cool Some of them They're very jarring I will say I think this is my least favorite
[00:48:17] Of the ones we have watched I've watched all of them other than Mater I have watched all of them Other than Wind Rises at this point Oh, you haven't done that yet No, no I've been trying to watch them Truly in the near chronological order
[00:48:31] That's one reason we wanted to do You before Wind Rises But That's not me slamming the film This is an excellent group of films I'm not surprised That is not a hot take Would you agree with me, David? Like maybe a lot of people
[00:48:44] Would probably have howl pretty low Yes But I thought you would be more into it Because it's about like a moving castle And like it's more your vibe His name is howl that rules Yeah, I mean I was surprised That I was not more into it
[00:48:56] Although I do like it Sure But It would be kind of like You know how you responded to like castle in the sky You know, like you know You kind of like the weird Sort of some more world-building Anyway, go on, sir
[00:49:07] Some of that too was the discovery Of me seeing that one early on Sure You have to give a mind as well But Miyazaki said he thinks it's the best thing He's ever done Yes, he loves it so much
[00:49:16] So he said that before he made the Wind Rises But people It's like when you listen to Tom York Talk about radio and music It's like shut up You don't know what you're talking about Like This movie is very important to him
[00:49:25] He said a lot of wild things about this though That he's like Americans didn't like it Because it was about the rock war And I'm like I don't They didn't know that They didn't pick up on it They're not so good Americans said it like
[00:49:36] While he was making it He's like Americans won't like it Because it touches on the Iraq war He said I mean of course I know that he made it And like he's thinking about it But I'm just saying People aren't watching it Being like
[00:49:46] That movie just hated Bush so much I hate it like I hate the Dixie Chicks He says that he won the Oscar And while on stage accepting the Academy Award Started to feel conflicted He didn't accept the Academy Award Just FYI Oh right Can I tell you though
[00:50:01] I think that was why he didn't attend though It was right at the start of the Iraq war And he was feeling conflicted Yeah that might I think that's the Michael Moore That's the that year It is The summer before Ponyo came out
[00:50:15] I saw the one time I've ever interacted with Miyazaki Was on this porch And this castle went by No it was at San Diego Comic Con Where he was very begrudgingly As you can imagine There to promote Ponyo And the summer a couple weeks before Ponyo's dub
[00:50:32] Came out in the US And you have not I mean like as dismayed As he could have conceivably been On stage at the Academy Awards You just imagine in your mind's eye What that would have looked like Or how he looks in that video
[00:50:43] Where he's talking to those animators Double that Put him at Comic Con Smoking on the balcony Staring at his publicist With disgust that goes back Like her great great grand children Will come out of the womb feeling shame It was such a great time
[00:51:01] To go over there and introduce myself to him Oh we're best friends now I'll text him You, Kamar Diaz And I'm Miyazaki Hang out all the time I cannot believe Anyone successfully convinced him to go Actually my mind is blown I assume he just lived
[00:51:17] By a house with a little tree And then just did leave Like that was his whole fucking You know what I mean And he just like dresses like Van Gogh I don't know if you guys are going to cover In any capacity
[00:51:26] The two documentaries that have been made about Kibble We're thinking of Thursday bonus The Kingdom of Dreams of Madness is incredible Unto yourself That's the one The other one is sort of The other one is like a DVD extra But it does have the animator clip
[00:51:38] But it really is about his home life An insult, right yeah It's like and so you really get a sense Of what Miyazaki is all about day to day Yeah the other one is interesting just because it's like Is he, it's sort of you watching him on retired
[00:51:49] Yeah You know which is something he's done so many times Maybe we'll combine both of them in the one app Ewww I mean I was frustrated initially when he was Unretired because he made To my mind was like the great cinematic swan song
[00:52:00] Right, William Rice is such a good retirement movie But whatever Maybe this next one's even better And then I pulled my head out of my butt And I was like of course I want him to make another movie Like what the fuck is wrong with you
[00:52:12] And it's going to be this grand opus That sounds like a Christopher Nolan movie It's going to come out Time to the 2020 Tokyo Olympics Living for it This is another one though that comes out of retirement This one yeah Right, right
[00:52:24] Well okay so this is what I want to say So he doesn't accept the oscar So he felt conflicted about being given an award By an American organization as they were going into war Like I think views the academy and the US government As being the same
[00:52:36] You know obviously Ampass was sending Thousands of troops into Iraq And then I think he might have finally accepted In the last year or two But I know for over ten years he would He like declined even like receiving the Oh membership
[00:52:49] He believed it, he believed his own membership The president of the academy being like Moving his soldiers around like Send in the green book stamp Send in the acting branch Send in the cinematographer I mean once the public said The battlefield it's over
[00:53:06] Yeah I believe he refused the trophy Would not return Cameraday as his calls Wouldn't become a member Now recently has relented I think he is now a member now But like he said how kind of came out of him Dealing with his frustration Over being given a trophy
[00:53:25] By an American organization Because he was like I hate this war I'm a pacifist I think this war is pointless It will only end in death I want to explicitly make a movie That Americans will hate Okay can I parlay this into my big take of the movie
[00:53:39] But he's also making a movie about how it Like being old is the best Right and then the third thing is It's adapted from a book Which is not about either of those things Right but I think And we'll get into this
[00:53:49] When we talk about the meat of the movie And particularly the way that war factors into it But I think when he's talking about Like really anything in his life That he feels lessens his integrity Or something that he wouldn't live with
[00:54:00] I think you see that expressed in this movie Which is really about the residual Lessening and dilution of your soul When you do like every time you do something That is wrong or beneath you Or immoral in some way It's that much harder to come back from
[00:54:15] Well it's just hard I mean this is a movie in very little Literal ways when you come to how Struggling to revert back to his human form That is again in a way that is hyperlateral But at the same time I find very affecting
[00:54:26] About how much harder it is To reassume this form of yourself Where you can go about right I mean it's just it gets harder and harder And harder to come back from that I think that's a great fucking take Great take Killer take
[00:54:41] You make those concessions in your life And in your career and you end up An old lady with a George Lucas neck And there's no going back She's hot though Old Sophie Lauren Bacall She can get it I No Lauren Bacall is the witch of the way
[00:54:58] I think that's who he's talking about Oh sure sure Yes I'm gonna talk about So I'm saying the witch of the west has I said old Sophie You weren't sorry The witch of the west is the one Who has the George Lucas neck
[00:55:07] Oh she has the George Lucas That's a good one Yeah you know you're Recognize my joke Poor George Yes no you're right I'm recognizing your joke While also being like poor old Poor old George I guess he has his billions of dollars And he made his concessions
[00:55:19] Yeah right But I do think that the You know the digital stuff in here If you had said to me like You know hand-drawn animation traditional Tutti stuff that's Inflected with digital bits In my head that looks atrocious I think that Obviously they would perfect that
[00:55:34] That approach but like The I turned this movie on for the first time Since 2005 And was just bold over Instantly at how fucking beautiful it is So this is the other thing I find interesting And I've just been watching all these In you know quick secession
[00:55:49] Just burning all of your Pixar memorabilia With every new film Look they have a very very Clear ten million dollar camp On merchandising Pixar has never over-merchandised Their franchise about toys And my bedroom attests to that Stances the testament This movie was produced in like A year
[00:56:10] Which I also think a lot of those Sort of CGI techniques weren't just them Trying to adapt to the times What were like necessary In order to get the movie done Because we talked about in the NOSC episode How for the big sort of bugs
[00:56:22] They're using cut out animation And the castle in this is like A digital version of cut out Information Cut out animation Where it is not frame by frame It is like digital pieces That are being shift around on the board And I think that is
[00:56:39] This is not a movie he had developed It was a book they had bought Because Miyazaki thought The idea of moving cow off the castle Wait is this castle moving? Castles usually stay still right? Ben likes it too Where he's like oh it's big and it moves
[00:56:53] I'm in, here's a year of my life Someone else was trying to develop it Hussada was going to direct it I believe right? Then crack it And then Was that a crack? Hussada who recently My memory of Hussada right? He made a muturai
[00:57:08] Which is not really for an Oscar last He got, I think kind of got fired by Ghibli Couldn't figure it out But they had already put a lot of time And I believe money and energy into Miyazaki like left it
[00:57:20] So it's like sort of like he went like Well I got all this hatred for America Where do I put it? On the flip side I'm feeling really good about being old Silver fox ears are wearing well And here's a movie that someone
[00:57:34] Couldn't take to the finish line Let me take over and make this in a year Which is like an interesting stew for a movie to come out of And right, before this he said Maybe I'm done and after this he said Maybe I'm done
[00:57:46] And then this movie kind of like comes out As like a burst What's that thing where you have I think for him where you have to go into every project Believing it is or could be your last In order to devote as much of himself
[00:57:59] To these movies as he does I think it's a good philosophy too I think more people should make things Like it's the only chance they're ever going to get To make something Even if they are providing their own resources And have this giant apparatus
[00:58:10] Totally, in the same way that I feel like I would have less of an issue with most TV And most franchises now If they also treated every entry like it was going to be The last entry Sure And then just came up with something else
[00:58:22] Rather than making everything a string along I'll stop beating this horse with this comment But how do you look at the lushness Of the animation in this And especially I mean the animation in the Wind Rises Is like my eyes just bleed thinking about it
[00:58:39] And ever go back to like 3D animation It's an entirely different thing for me I agree with you in an overall sense That I think most 3D animation is incredibly ugly I think there are fewer people And fewer studios that know how to do it well
[00:58:55] And I think there is a baseline beauty To any hand-drawn animation Because of the process of it And because of how direct it is In the same way that like The shittiest looking movie shot on film Looks better to me than a mid-level digital film
[00:59:10] You go to a festival now and you see anything That they project in film which is rare This is clearly a masterpiece There's some innate integrity to the analog nature Of the thing But I think there are people who use digital Incredibly well
[00:59:24] And I think there are the people who use CGI Incredibly well We all stan Blobby, he's a legend Blobby's cousins are in this movie That is my thing though Watching these movies I have been relishing watching this much hand-drawn animation That the digital elements of this kind of
[00:59:41] Irked me even if I think they're well executed Because I'm like, oh man I've been living in this pure hand-drawn world That when I see the CGI augmentations I think Ponyo handles the CGI stuff better And also Ponyo loves ham But I think the crazy sort of sparkly
[00:59:59] Ocean effects in Ponyo that you could not do hand-drawn Ponyo is a pretty perfect looking movie Yeah, this maybe has a couple moments where you're like And not really an objection It still looks amazing It's an amazing looking movie It's real pretty Yeah, it's pretty Oh, yes
[01:00:15] Hal is Miyazaki's ultimate anime boy He is like the only One of the only Miyazaki I mean especially because Seldom goes into the male pin-up sort of look But Hal's super fuckable And he looks like Also I don't know how old he is
[01:00:33] I feel like he's always younger than I think So I should be careful But um Hal? We think he's a minor? I mean he's like There's the vibe that he's like kind of hundreds of years old But also that he is a little boy
[01:00:44] He was a little boy He was spotted with Brian Singer at the Chateau I'm not dropping conclusions I just want to thank Griffin for taking What I said and then making it worse So that I was sort of off the hook That's just good hosting
[01:00:57] They were in talks But he is an anime boy He is 27 years according to the Ghibli Wiki The Ghibli Wiki He could have been plucked from like an average anime And not straight from the Ghibli Yeah, no he's got that But he's so You know it's a
[01:01:11] Just a look It's the emo era He's so fucked From the ghost in the shell or something Cool guy Well Puppet Master has more of a gender fluid thing going on Cool person But I finally broke down And I watched this one with the dub Interesting
[01:01:28] Not a dub I'd highly recommend No, really I thought it was good But I know it's not famous for being one of the better dubs I was perfectly satisfied with it It's fine Crystal's good Crystal is rockin' it This is what I want to say
[01:01:40] Crystal's in the pocket Billy Crystal, man I've never said anything bad about on this podcast before I've only spoke highly of it And if you ever speak poorly of him You demand that Ben edit it out Right Can we hear about the Sundays he spent with his father
[01:01:52] I heard they're great He likes the Yankees I know and I love it Nothing negative to say about it I love his sort of emotional tendencies I love his love of old Hollywood It's really fun Miyazaki to cast, although I don't know how involved Miyazaki was
[01:02:06] With the ultimate Oscar host Right after her boycotting the Oscars I think he demanded Crystal Oh that'll show then And you get it they were just like The Oscars have got bad habits No, but Billy Crystal was always good hosting the Oscars
[01:02:19] And I've always loved every performance he did on the Oscars And I'm not certainly living in the mistakes of me choosing To talk about whatever I want in this podcast With a now dormant acting career But Billy Crystal kills it in this movie
[01:02:31] Yeah, I think the dub is incredible You think it's incredible? I think it's one of the best dubs I've ever heard I think the poll is really good too I switched over to the dub to remind myself Because I think I saw the dub in theaters
[01:02:41] And I switched right back I was like, yeah Well, this is the other thing I wanted to say Why brown it up Bale's really fucking hot in this movie Oh, Bale's great Bale slays it It's also you have the added benefit Of picturing whenever you get bored
[01:02:53] Christian Bale in the recording voice In the recording booth, rather Having to talk about the witch of the west And how sad he is that he's not hot for the moment And this is 2004? This comes out? Five in the US Five in the US Premiered at Venice
[01:03:06] Okay, so this is like Does he starve himself for this role? He grew bird feathers Did he train to become animated? So we're talking it's right before Batman Begins When he's making it, he's probably machinist weight Yeah, big M, bro Like, he tore the sound recording guy
[01:03:22] Like a new asshole What do you like, accidentally whispered In his ear line What I like about this performance is I feel like it's Bale in the like Little women newsies mode Like the trajectory people thought he was going to have
[01:03:38] People thought he was going to be a cutie pie Right That's one of Christian Bale's best performance He's really good He's so charming The face David Elson just made We're so unhappy with what I just said I was just like, I was all in on how
[01:03:52] Between the design and his voice He is such a little Emily, yeah go on, sorry A little charming, isn't it? Yeah The thing that's weird about the dub And sort of interesting Is the way she revert She switches between voices In the middle of a line
[01:04:10] You know, because sometimes her face Will change to young again And Emily Mortimer will do that Like it's one actor in the Japanese version The other weird thing is that Emily Mortimer Is hired to play a child She's not a child She's like a teen
[01:04:24] But Emily Mortimer is not a teenager Actually she is, she's Jack Disiz A total teenager I don't know if I'm going to forget that She has very delicate bones and she brings I think she has the right spirit The right naivete mixed with curiosity
[01:04:38] I think it's a very good performance For that performance I just think it's unusual that the premise of the film Is a teenager being stuck in the body Asked every Cyrus They'd already tapped him all Josh Hutcherson crushes it As the little guy
[01:04:54] I mean, he's just starting to cook with gas Little Manhattan's a thorough Let me tell you how to crush Josh Hutcherson Fuck Little Manhattan is a movie that is Okay Little Manhattan is a movie that is truly impossible to watch Without cringing so hard
[01:05:10] I have not watched it Little Manhattan left It's a movie called Little Actor Josh Hutcherson He's small He's in my pocket right here He's been a guest on Armchair Expert What the fuck is it? The sixth biggest podcast in the world
[01:05:28] I don't get it that he's sitting in the armchair And he's like, alright You're in the armchair Yeah, Dak Shepard has a recording studio In his attic of his home He owns with Kristen Bell And he has an armchair that she bought for him
[01:05:42] You know what I'm saying? Armchair Expert doesn't actually It's not like someone comes in and they're like The thing I'm an expert about is Dak Shepard's whole thing Is this sort of... He's very insecure about masculinity He has very performative masculine sense
[01:05:56] He needs to be able to do anything If he sees a flat tire He's got to fix it He considers himself He has sort of an expert complex He has to convince himself that he doesn't know everything He is the titular armchair expert So as an interviewer
[01:06:12] It's like he wants to know as much As the person he's talking to Does he talk about it without a paddle a lot? Yes, yes He had Seth Green on, they go into it They get into it? Finally But do we have paddles? No
[01:06:30] It's interesting that you hear someone talk about These forgotten movies Which were obviously understandably such Pivotal moments in their lives Of course These are movies that To use the parlance of this show no longer exist But for them it is a chapter in their existence
[01:06:46] He's above the title on a studio film He directed chips? He directed chips When he talks about without a paddle On armchair expert, does he call it paddle? He might It's one of my favorite things when people talk about their paddle This picture I did in O3
[01:07:02] They just pick one word from the title He would be a great voice in a Miyazaki dub I don't know who we would play in this film But I do think everyone is very well cast It was a picture I did with Brill
[01:07:12] I had to look at the Brill I was doing a movie with Steve Brill When we were filming Paddle actually And you know Abraham Ben Ruby That guy's got stories Who's that? You know him, he's Jerry from ER He usually plays like giant people
[01:07:28] Jerry is AWOL, I'm in season 6 right now Jerry got a job Sometimes Abraham Ben Ruby would get hired on other shows So then Jerry's not in ER For a while and then he comes back And they're like, hey Jerry how you doing?
[01:07:40] He's like, I'm good and you're like I guess this show got cancelled How was your 4 years to paddle? You were 4 years to paddle from being a desk clerk We were paid the whole time Because you're just so charming Couldn't afford to lose ya
[01:07:54] I do think the dub in this is extraordinary I am a very hardliner about Subs and Dubbs that it comes to anime I think the idea of watching the wind rises Dubbed and not in the Japanese track Which I'm sure you guys will discuss
[01:08:06] You butchered his name and work When you talked about him on Nasuk episode Hideki Anno who is not David Sims referred to him in a way that I could feel anime fans dying across the world As one of the big guys from Evangelion Which is saying that like
[01:08:20] You're getting some water while he's watching You can't take the heat Which is, it's like, I don't know I don't know what the appropriate analog for that would be But he is Evangelion He voices the main character In the wind rises and it is
[01:08:36] The single greatest voice performance I've ever heard in any language in any movie Fuck, I need to watch it I've been very depressed recently And I do find it hard To focus on the movies Subtitle and it is Because They are so visual
[01:08:54] And I'm watching them at home That the sort of like shifting of Concentration has been difficult for me You will find the Hideki Anno voice I've watched every other one with subtitles And this was the first one Where I broke down and was like
[01:09:08] Well, if you're feeling tired, right He does something and we won't have to belabor this Because you do a whole episode on it But he does something that I've never heard before Which is just like It doesn't feel like he's in a Booth recording something
[01:09:22] It feels like a human being That's just sort of like in this animated show Grounded Fraught performance Unlike the sort of broader stuff that you hear In Hell's Moving Castle Hideki Anno in The Wind Rises The Place of the League guy It's incredible It went everywhere
[01:09:42] But also if you're depressed You can watch the dub of Justice Steven Gelley and that's a show for depressed people Really? Try to figure out if I should Wallow in it or fight against it You gotta wallow I love to wallow
[01:09:56] And there are the Angel and Devil on my shoulders The two Davids Angel hasn't fallen Erlich started criticizing you You threw your arms up in the air, walked out of the studio And came back in sucking at Clementine The second the subject was over
[01:10:10] And now he's making his Stinky Baby face It's fine, you weren't an anime boy You know, you probably Yeah, you got your own stuff I do feel like I'm getting raked even more than usual I'm not even as pronouncing things on This miniseries
[01:10:26] As if I don't pronounce every American word I was pronouncing everything I said hyperbole for Four years on this podcast There's a guy in the reddit who's writing like Book length Bursts about The way the language is used and even like the titles of these movies
[01:10:42] The resources are coming to you But Lauren Bacall Lauren Bacall Of Ernest and Celestine fame So I I saw Ernest and Celestine In Miss a Connolly What if Ernest and Celestine I saw The Hobbes and Shaw Of 24D I saw a movie with Lauren Bacall
[01:11:04] At last night at Metrograph And then did not realize that Lauren Bacall Was in the dub of this movie What movie did you see? I saw the cobweb The Vincent Minnelli movie How was it? Very weird Never seen that Don't think I like it I do too
[01:11:20] This is a mental Institution drama That is largely about drapes The 40s and 50s That are really strong handle on what that would look like So that's the thing But it's like Richard Widmark And Charles Boyet In the 50s there were so many movies about drapes
[01:11:38] It was like Marvel now It's my problem with the drapes in a manned universe It's just like they're talking about psychology In a way that has not aged well This movie is mostly them talking about which drapes They're going to pick And I'm not overstating this It's 75% drape
[01:11:54] But I was watching Lauren Bacall in like peak Like 15 Lauren Bacall where I'm just like, God damn it That's a fucking movie star She doesn't talk for the first 30 minutes of the movie And she's just in group scenes And because it's like Minnelli
[01:12:08] The group scene is a winner It's a master shot with a little bit of camera movement So you're just watching her in the background of a shot Like read a newspaper or whatever And I'm just like, look at That person just knows how to be on camera
[01:12:20] You can just see through the set And she's making her pie or something She's just there and that's someone who knows how to Fuck and be on camera and be electric And look at how much control she has over a movie Star persona
[01:12:32] Now she catches the light and how she's dressed And then to watch this movie with her big neck And she's like, AHHHHH That's a weird before That character is insane She's great in it but I couldn't help but wonder
[01:12:44] Like, did they just not show her what this character was going to look like? They must not have Well, when you're doing a dub Do you think you're doing it to an essentially completed movie? Because like, the English dub always comes out later Right
[01:12:58] I mean a lot of the rewriting because I did I watched it with the dub but with the subtitles From the Japanese version That's insane I want to see what the differences were And for this one the differences are just
[01:13:09] Paraphrasing to fit the meter of the mouth movements It's like they'll reconstruct the sentence I think the longer things went on, the more that became Because those earlier ones as some fans have noted Like in Nausicaugh she's like What's over there? Oh my god
[01:13:23] That sort of thing of kids need dialogue at all times Who you know, get a cram it with The opening of this movie, I don't know if you want to set up the plot But like the opening of this movie is What's set up the plot?
[01:13:33] A castle mode Yeah, there's a moving castle and the world is at war We gotta set up the plot What's the world as it was? But Christian Bale, the way In their meet cute where he is basically playing Mystery the pickup artist
[01:13:46] Swings in and starts nagging the bad guys And then he's like, oh these wannabe rapists aren't so bad Which is a weird line But you get because of his vocal performance Why she would be so sort of beguiled And attracted to it He is captivating in every sense
[01:14:04] Right, she's running to her family's Hat store Which is called Hold on, I have it here Whatever I write it down, this is very important It's called Hatter's hats It's a really good name Hatter hats Hatter hats Okay So nice, I named it twice And she runs into
[01:14:24] This wizard pickup artist Who saves her But she is very quickly Cursed by Almost inexplicably A mean old lady A very jealous old lady Jealous of her youth The witch of the waist is like the main villain
[01:14:46] And in this I think it's like she's a villain for five minutes Then she gets cooked And then she spends the rest of it being like a nice old lady I mean Mizaki doesn't really at this point going forward I mean really for a while now
[01:15:00] Has not believed in villains Doesn't really like them Doesn't like him That's his whole thing kind of Is to like remove these binaries Right, he takes aim at certain flaws That manifest in people vanity being one of them in this movie
[01:15:15] Which especially with the witch of the waist is a big thing But he doesn't really hold the people accountable I gotta say for the listener at home Sims is going full shallow may on this comment You didn't need the beat Yeah and for the listener at home
[01:15:32] Sims isn't eating it When I said he's going full shallow may He's doing the full shallow may of army hammer hadn't showed up He's completing the act Geez Least professional person in the world This right now what we're witnessing is why I don't eat fruit
[01:15:48] I would love to see David Participating in the presidential debate Ben just left And the second anyone just says like Sims Your healthcare policy is full of holes You just throw your hands up in the walk off stage And come back with a peach Just eating fruit
[01:16:11] Thanks buddy And Ben brought up paper towel That's the worst episode ever I appreciate it Erlich's fighting Fighting I'm just admiring Ben's producing He was sensed in need And he went fix it Can I give my take Ben's take Okay so I watched this movie this morning Cool
[01:16:30] Especially kind of a cool movie to watch first thing in the morning Yeah Atmospheric A cup of coffee and some Hal Yeah Do you guys believe in demons? Do I? Yeah I think there's one in the White House right now Hey Trump more like a Satan Trump
[01:16:55] A demon Trump Now I don't know very much about Most things the world Japan my understanding is they have Culturally a mythology about demons and spirits I'm not that familiar but they have their own unique Sure Thing going on there Oni I don't even know what that is
[01:17:19] No I'm not gonna speak Japanese folklore Not a religious person Don't really believe in the afterlife Or like spirituality All I want to say is that I do believe in demons Of course you do Okay Of course you do
[01:17:35] Something I wrote down in my notes was sludge demons in top hats How do you feel about that? They're great I wish that I had sludge friends I just wanted to I kinda do
[01:17:50] I wish that every morning I like made my eggs and my fire talk to me Sounds like a great practice Can we talk about the fact that Billy Crystal is literally Straight fire in this movie? He is
[01:18:02] He is the fire emoji if animators had to spend two years animating Is this his last good performance? At monsters universe I'm sorry I couldn't hear that eye roll can you do it louder? Creak Oh there's someone at the door Okay Hey it's me
[01:18:20] You don't like me at monsters universe? I gotta go to Yankees game right now I was asking my favorite friend and look how well animated you are I will say I got another character coming in The Jazz Man bring him in boys
[01:18:31] No I don't want to say anything What do you mean you call the police? I don't want to say anything bad about Billy I'm trying to be positive The pivot in the second half of this movie to actually calcifer is the most important character What?
[01:18:44] Not one that I enjoy You don't like it I like it The second half of this movie is where You know Well the second half of the movie To quote in a mortal deck shepherd film or the title of one this is where you leave me
[01:18:58] I greatly prefer the first hour of this movie Really? I kind of Howl's not there's not a lot of howl in the first hour There's just the right amount of howl I think you get a right You get a nice sort of buffet of all these different elements
[01:19:08] Howl's busy you get it Like he's doing things The world is building He's busy turning into a giant raven or something and fighting wars Every time he shows up it's a great time The second half becomes so much the anti-war stuff It does it does
[01:19:19] Which I think is like thematically the best thing about the movie But the way that it's expressed It's a little When they build the little It's just a little bit too much to under those It sort of gets diluted where
[01:19:29] I know exactly what's going on under the surface during the first half of this movie And then as soon as he goes to see the king and the order of call and so on He's like a bird man Yeah Yes Yeah, no
[01:19:42] I mean but I love the bird man stuff But once they lean into the bird man stuff And like it really is just sort of about the logistics of him fighting And they started making up these rules about like Oh, Calcifer's a shooting star
[01:19:56] And he's got Howl's heart And they just cut to like a little heart sitting in the fire It's like yeah it's been there the whole time That stuff, yeah It gets a little too plaudy for me And you know if I'm watching a movie or a zowki
[01:20:07] I'm wanting the organic sort of free flowing Sort of dream logic thing And it starts conforming to a little bit more of It gets a little bogged down in world building Which makes sense when you view this movie as like a product of his anger
[01:20:22] Like this is a tiny, like he's got a specific axe to grind Whereas like this stuff about like learning to enjoy being old feels like so natural I love how unbothered she is Like that scene where she's climbing up towards the castle for the first time
[01:20:37] And she's like I like being old nobody bothers you I love her Is there a protagonist like her in an animated movie? No She's wonderful I love her She is and it's a really interesting inversion on the fact that Sophie until she's transformed
[01:20:54] It laments that she doesn't get enough attention Yes And it's fun to see her sort of swing the other way I think that it's sort of the arc of life in a lot of ways Right At a certain point you're like
[01:21:05] It's so great that people leave me alone That leave me alone I also think it's such a great high concept premise I have so many movies where it's like a kid wakes up And they're in the body of like a 30 to 40 year old movie star
[01:21:16] But none of them are just like you're fucking old now Now you're a geezer And I love that there's only like five minutes of her freaking out And then she starts like getting productive in terms of like survival And then she's like actually this rules
[01:21:31] Well the first thing she does is Well maybe not the first thing But one important thing that you have to do when you are magically transformed into an old crone Befriend a guy named Turnip Head You got it Who will help you Got a friend turnip head Yeah
[01:21:44] I mean But I love the freak out I love turnip head so much And we'll get to turnip head It's a gentleman Turnip head one of the great movies One of the great moments in all movie history is of course When she kisses turnip head
[01:21:54] And he's like oh hey I'm gonna get him Justin And I was like okay so we can get to it Alright my favorite thing is when he pops it And he's like I am a Disney prince And I had a whole adventure
[01:22:03] And I had and will you be and she's like Whatever cool Yeah I thought I was kissing a turnip She's laying some tongue on some turnip So uninterested in here Even though she likes him Like she's right back to howl
[01:22:15] And he's like but I'm the king of the kingdom I am gonna get to go to my kingdom now And she's like alright Alright I'll see you but I love when she is old Looking to play the field a little bit right now
[01:22:25] Looking to lock it up with a turnip man I love how she's senile and the comically so But not insultingly so Like she's that moment where she freaks out And runs away from the mirror And then like runs back as if she's forgotten
[01:22:38] Sort of already what you saw It's great She's great She's a great kid She also has this line That in the dub is Is delivered so beautifully Which is actually what Sophie's sister Who I would watch an entire movie about Because it seems like she is getting around
[01:22:58] That restaurant Literally there's five minutes Everyone's been like hi Letty Hi Letty Hi Letty They all know her very well But she says to Sophie Oh hey someone just told me you floated down to the balcony Which is just like
[01:23:14] Which is it throws you off but it also In a way that is very organic And in a way that some of the stuff in this movie is not Establishes how this world Is right in the middle of a vent diagram Between fantasy and reality Right
[01:23:28] Like that you can choose to You add as a clunky line Or you can go in this world that's the equivalent of like Oh someone told me you were here Yeah oh yeah there was a hot wizard Yeah it happens You floated down from the balcony of course
[01:23:40] So she gets turned to an internal b She goes to this moving castle with moving around Who's there Howl Calcifer Anyone else Turniped Little Josh Hutchinson Little Hutchie Right Who transforms into a bearded gnome Yep So cool So we have this guy and the witch of the waste
[01:24:01] Eventually Right Who are all kind of people who are like Yes we need to fuck along I don't know I don't want to deal with this anymore right Like they all have that kind of that version of a vibe Right
[01:24:13] Like Calcifer's like I was a star or something For a while I don't want to do that anymore I'm happy just cooking eggs Well only when Hal said so And keeps the castle moving He does keep the castle moving I love I love
[01:24:27] The fact that you can only get into the castle through this like little back door on the rear It's very video game Breaking news What This is huge I'm sorry Matrix 4 Lana Wachowski directing Yes Keanu and Karrion Moss are in it What
[01:24:43] I don't know what to tell you What Cause they were denying it as of a week ago A week ago Just Lana as we sort of have already figured out It appears that Lana and Millie have right sort of split Did Fishburne die? I don't know
[01:24:58] He's not in this release That's all I mean you know I mean they could just I mean Karrion Moss' character did die As did Keanu Lana was at the TCA's a week ago When we're recording and denied this
[01:25:11] It was Lana's the one who's working on that show right now Yeah, Lily's not doing anything now Lily is sort of apparently Just kind of done Really Making stuff Wait I have to double check this The two L names Sometimes I really get Am I wrong about this?
[01:25:27] No Lily was the one who was just She was at a GLAD panel Oh interesting Talking about You know, Sensei And she's the one working on the work On the new show They have creatively it seems divorced So Lana Is the Is the one that looks like
[01:25:48] Duna Bay and Jupiter ascending You know like pink dreadlocks Sure So they're fully Wow And it's not a Zac Pan movie Fucking hope not And they're coming back Did you see the other crazy story? The Spider-Man thing Sony's taking away Spider-Man That seems like public Public negotiation though
[01:26:09] Wait what are they doing? So Feige's like I'm not producing any more Spider-Man He's out of the cinematic universe Whatever I mean but that to me More feels you know Negotiating public where they're like Yeah it's not gonna happen And then like maybe there'll be a fan backlash
[01:26:22] And Sony will be like Alright alright alright Lucky for Jada Pinkett Smith That she was killed from Angel has fallen So she'll be free to Bring Naomi back Bring the fucking narrow Vingian back Bring back the anime dress Narva Vingian Disney Plus series Or HBO Max whatever
[01:26:37] Whoever owns this This is crazy cause I like I feel like Lana said I'm not involved at all Right Lily I'm sorry Lily said I'm not involved at all I wish them the best of luck I hope it's better Right Cause there was an initial like They're exploring
[01:26:56] Zach Penn was gonna do like A young Morpheus movie with Michael B. Williams Was the Michael B. George Sorry I gotta say this is like This does not feel like surprising news I feel like we all do this is coming No I knew it was coming
[01:27:09] But I figured it was not gonna be Wachowskis I know Keanu And I thought if Wachowskis Weren't doing a Keanu Widen though Yeah he'd been clear he wouldn't do it And like to me Revolutions ends with a very much Like I know what that
[01:27:21] You can do anything from there What's revolutions? The last one Matrix Revolution They made sequels And Dave is going for a second Clementine Maybe I should just And he's now truly doing it He is walking out the door I expect a re-entrance with Clementine
[01:27:42] I thought it was just Matrix and Matrix Matrix 4 It's the animatrix Where they just called it two Two full movies No I feel like we've been living With an understanding that the Matrix Was gonna get brought back in some capacity But it seemed like the Wachowskis
[01:27:57] Were not gonna be involved at all Or if they were it would be in a very Slight sort of advisory position And if they weren't involved Keanu wouldn't return Well there was this story of like They shut down their production company And then there was another story
[01:28:08] Where there was like just kidding We've reopened our production company And so this felt like the next step This is so fascinating And everyone will have chewed this up And completely pros- David Mitchell is a co-writer on it The author of Cloudhub Oh sure Weird I'm so excited
[01:28:27] David is yanking out his hair In both directions And there is a new Clementine On the table for the listening I'm so happy I'm genuinely so happy I'm gonna take a photo of this For posterity The moment he learned I have to say it's a dark reflection
[01:28:44] Of the state of the world That in like the five second window Where you stop the podcast To announce huge news I was thinking much bigger And much happier But this is exciting What did you think it was? What do you think? I don't know What?
[01:28:57] I don't know It's a certain demon being Stuck back to the pits of hell If you know what I'm saying Full Hades Bringing up the little finger Going, come hither Oh it seems And David this will be surprising to you That Twitter has noticed That they are excited
[01:29:15] But back to Miyazaki Alright Anyone? Oh boy We don't deserve it He's losing his mind I'm so happy right now He's being me Everyone's gonna hate it Can I take a photo? It's gonna be great You can take as many photos as you want Okay, right now though
[01:29:33] Okay give me just a pure look How much is it gonna make opening weekend? 25 No that's probably because there's enough No I'm keying it I think I said this in the sequel episode So it's where I'm like It's time that like there's just so much nostalgia in it
[01:29:54] Right I think anything less than 175 is a failure Opening? Yeah But I think that's possible Oh I think so too I think anything less than 175 would still be more than The total gross of any Wachowski movie That wasn't a Matrix movie No Speed Racer did pretty well
[01:30:09] But even Revolutions ended at 130 domestic Like it will be their highest gross in film since 2003 By the time it opens Probably Boy Yeah but will it have a line where a 90 year old woman Calls someone on the phone and her mom says
[01:30:26] You sound ghastly like some 90 year old woman This makes transition It would be pretty funny imagine that Like you called your mom and you know You're at college or whatever And you're like Hello it's me David your son Like I think she'd notice I do love
[01:30:40] Just as I remember you over the phone That people keep on trying to throw like Old person shade at her and she's like No I figured it out Yeah I feel great I mean short climbing the stairs up to
[01:30:50] The King's Palace is a real pain in the ass We gotta talk about this little dog friend What a great misdirect I love this This is my kind of bit This is a real trick Cause she decides that They need to go talk to Blake Daner Right
[01:31:06] Of course Of course Hey your respects at this point She turned into a 90 year old lady I love you and I'll see you in my dreams Right she's already won an Emmy for Huff And you just have to go and kiss her ring And pay her respect
[01:31:17] She won two Emmys for all I believe she won two I believe I believe she was an unstoppable drag Any season that Huff was on Two She won Was that the docket drama about Felicity Huffman Yeah it's exactly good Wait a second
[01:31:33] What is it Lily Wachowsky rebooting Huff Azaria Holdout Demands 20 an episode Million It's like when Slider There's no Huff without Hank Wait Fiege is producing it Huff to enter It's like when Slider and Kenny broke up Lily was like I'm on Huff
[01:31:54] And they were like what the fuck in the matrix She was like no Kevin Feige Kevin Feige cast as Huff He's taking the role What was the thing I was going to say The dog is introduced Oh they have to go talk to Blight then And Longsastres
[01:32:11] And she knows that Hal is going to disguise himself in some way But he won't tell it how She's looking around and she's like Street urchin and be a little sloppy Umbrella and a lot of mobility Like she's running through all the possibilities
[01:32:28] Of what he could be disguised as And then the world's goofiest looking He's got little chicken legs And a long face And she's like okay good job How game recognized game Very funny disguise little dog I'm going to jump on your back
[01:32:45] And you'll take me up the stairs And then you just see this dog Panting like out of breath Like struggling to make it up This is a total therakism The second they get inside Played there and it's like oh thanks You found my dog
[01:33:00] It's also one of those moments where The trope of Miyazaki characters talking to themselves Pays off in space Totally But just her being like Your dog and she's like yeah no I sent my dog downstairs to help find you
[01:33:14] She led you up the stairs or you didn't take advantage Of her in any absurd way did you And then immediately Hal comes in with his disguise And is called out Like it's totally caught Pretending to be the captain The general Pretend to love that war Miyazaki's funny
[01:33:31] I think he's the king Pretending to be the king Miyazaki's funny Also want to point out that Sophie's mom is wearing a hat That has cannons and a dead bird mounted on it That's how you make your fortunes a milliner Yeah Gotta have a you know
[01:33:44] Weaponize those hats Yeah Wars everywhere War even on hats Oh even hats That's how you know it's gotten bad I have a hat to save Ben do you have anything else to say apart from You believe in demons
[01:33:56] I'm sorry I realize we may have cut up your tank corner Believe in demons Well believe in demons Fuck with demons I think demons are Asian aliens Um Okay a lot to go in there But I guess we'll just sit a like Sludge people are cool
[01:34:10] Sludge people are cool Um What did you guys think of Howl's digs Cause I didn't think it need to be clean The titular moving castle Yeah The castle that um I thought the castle looked pretty good I thought it looked pretty good I like when he goes like
[01:34:28] And then like rearranges I think that's cool And someone who lives in like a New York apartment Sure It's sort of like a fun street It doesn't move at all Right But also you can't just be like What if there was like a bathroom right here
[01:34:38] You know like let's just move everything around It's actually transforms I do love that Sophie is just like Oh pretend to be the maid And they're like Yeah I guess we might have hired one of those She's like Howl hired me And I'm like Howl
[01:34:50] I haven't seen that guy in a while This is his castle Howl And Howl just rolls with him He's so good in nature He's like oh yeah Hey like we can all be friends It's very I feel like all his emotional energy Is going to like
[01:35:00] Being a bird warrior on both sides of the war Sure So I guess even if it goes back But there is a sort of like Jill you seem nice Japanese RPG element Of gathering a party Like everyone they meet They're just like spinning a circle
[01:35:11] You're part of the party now Right Right Um you all you have your function Uh and there is a nice little Spirit of solidarity in that Yeah They feel like the misfits a little bit Yeah Yeah The house of lost toys Uh can I just say that
[01:35:24] Ange texted David are you okay And response to the matrix news And David responded with five crying emojis I'm crying right now Fuck you're still just peeling a Clementine These Clementines are made of iron Where do you guys buy your Clementine? Amazon.com Bad company
[01:35:41] You see something wrong Clementine wise I'll tell you how much Really bad company Do you remember like the craft services At the tick where the Clementine Is impossible to peel Yeah Sorry for bringing up too They were laid out by Bezos himself Yeah right
[01:35:55] And then Billy Crystal together Uh what about when Sophie says There are so many good lines in this dub Is this the lastiter joint I don't know I mean he's not He's sort of I don't know how to Just come in And just come in
[01:36:10] And just come in He was big in negotiating the deal Right I feel like Sophie has a line That lasted for a week And he's like Sophie has a line that lastiter had always hoped A woman would say to him Which is when she says To turnip head
[01:36:26] Oh you're just a scarecrow I was afraid you were one of those blob men Which is the highest compliment I think a woman could pay to some people So turnip head kind of gets her into the castle She works at the castle How's it the castle Right
[01:36:43] He's not at the castle that much Yeah he's out witching about He's got blonde hair I think it's red hair It freaks out about the hair Yeah I love that scene Well he's very emo Well he's very vain I mean like vanity is
[01:36:55] I mean vanity is sort of the reason behind this war And I think in my azaki's mind When you're talking about these powerful empires Getting into wars that Will only benefit them so much It is often for posturing vanity And for the optics of it all
[01:37:08] And I think it's very pointed that the lady Can't remember her character The blood Daner character Sulamon Weird name Yeah it's just like Yeah I don't know I've been alive for this war It's done at the end Well that's sort of Miyazaki's take Yeah He's like these things
[01:37:25] But I think that how's vanity Is a part and parcel of that But there's the whole element too With Lauren Bacall when like Like Daner like undoes her magic And then she turns into like A mashed potato lady with a penis nose And so if he's like
[01:37:40] What's going on here And she's like yeah This is how she really is Right She's using like 99% Of her magic To just look Quote unquote good She used to be the best Which in the world And then she got so caught up Giving herself like a magical facelifts
[01:37:57] Right but that's the same take Right Like age embrace it baby And every time she eats anything With that penis nose She looks like David eating Clementine Her nose is so pink And she looks so much like David eating Clementine For the listener at home David has morphed
[01:38:14] Now that he has turned off his magic powers In order to eat the Clementine Had to appeal its impenetrable skin He is now a mound of wrinkles He used all of his power to will the matrix For into existence Yes David has no magic left
[01:38:33] I don't believe it He's a no man Bring pants back Joy pants Bring him back Yeah Bring them all back Chong Oh man I think Not like this Not like this lady Bring her back Switch Nintendo switch Apoch Yeah Apoch you can keep He's okay
[01:38:52] I like the Apoch Yeah he's cool Yeah How How What do we gotta say How should be in the matrix form How Okay but what's the deal with Because wizards are super powerful right And witches It's like a world where people are like Hey this wizard Yeah
[01:39:07] But it seems There's no Lineage to the wizard They're just people who are just born wizards But It's kind of an expend vibe But Kiki's delivery service is also kind of like that Where it's like Ah yeah what do you do New town witch Yeah
[01:39:20] But witches are not like living gods In Kiki's delivery service No The wizards have a different status here Right Right Right Because there's the idea of Like she was my witch Of this castle Right Witches are like employees In Kiki's delivery I mean they are literally employees
[01:39:35] In Kiki's delivery service They're like public services They're like public services Yeah But she may as well be like a bus driver But in here They are sort of more akin to like the spirit gods From spirit in a way Yes Where they are these mythic creatures
[01:39:48] Which is also doesn't really square But they're also quasi-humed Right it doesn't really square with the idea that Hal Was like a kid and he's only 27 or whatever But again this movie is situated right on the Border between fantasy and reality
[01:40:02] But it's also like Miyazaki adapting a book Where he's like I don't care about half of this shit Right Like you know books probably more like Well let's explain like how this all works And he's like I don't care how it works Right well yeah
[01:40:16] It's like a book that he was like I sign off in the general sense on our company Acquiring this because they're elements that are cool Because I hear that castle move Right I have no interest in making this myself So then once he comes aboard It's like
[01:40:28] Okay what do I want to say That I can like shoehorn into No he looks at the book and he's like Okay there could be a plane here And a plane there And there could be just some cool looking Star Wars planes Like one man planes flying
[01:40:41] Information in the background of this shot And I do think like the way that he Uses the plane, the war And the stuff about beauty and halbing Like I see no point in living if I can't be beautiful It does feel like a lighter take
[01:40:55] Like he's building up to And again we can only go so far into this To the wind rises where the The beauty of these things is Offset by the destructive power And the people who Enable them also sort of have to live With the cost of producing them
[01:41:12] And the beauty that they bring into the world Is very much of the essence And so Hal is sort of a cartoonish You know emo version of That idea I just realized what I want Miyazaki to do I want him to start a YouTube channel
[01:41:30] Where he reviews planes I want him to ride a plane with me Maybe he'd calm me down Oh probably he would make you appreciate the plane Right he'd like talking about the majesty of flying I just feel like I don't hear about plane Nerds in the same way
[01:41:45] That you hear about like other types of vehicle Nerds and I'd love to see like Miyazaki Like trying out new like airline models And be like this plane was honestly Animators in airplanes with Miyazaki Yeah that sounds great Animators drinking tea In airplanes with Miyazaki
[01:42:01] No they'd be smoking cigarettes On airplanes with Miyazaki Yeah so rent out the plane But I do like the idea that you could just Like if you're a nervous flyer You could just request him and at the gate They would just give you a Miyazaki It's an option
[01:42:17] Right it's like do you need a kosher meal Do you need a Miyazaki on your fly Right Yes And you'd just be like oh yes That sound is just the rudder going like this And isn't the barbarity of flight Doing destruction to the environment
[01:42:31] Like the planes like the machinations of the plane To you it would calm you down David I think so usually Because of how you're flying I have tried to Like get to know what planes are doing So that like noises don't alarm me
[01:42:43] Cause you love trains you love cars I do I don't know after I had a plane soon I don't like you You love trains and automobiles But what about planes I don't like them Take or leave Like a sub Seems like a Fully horrifying concept to me
[01:42:59] I haven't been in a sub Like a Metal like What are they coffin there we go That's underwater Right and you can't leave You love a sub sandwich though Love a sub sandwich They never make movies about how like Good things are in a sub You know
[01:43:17] You mean like Oh yeah movies usually about like Yeah being in a sub is tough and if one thing goes wrong Like uh oh that sub might get called the widow baker The planes are in movies and like characters will get on a plane
[01:43:28] They'll take off and they'll land safely somewhere And they'll go about their business People propose marriage on a plane It's charming But in a sub it's usually like Charming Something's gonna go wrong Yes Nobody ever just has soup on a sub Well here's a question just for Ben
[01:43:43] What about down periscope My dip of sub and soup Right but soup on a sub Ben yes sir Do things go wrong in down periscope Is that the one with Kelsey Grammer Yeah I don't remember Yeah I think so Right
[01:44:00] I think they're like a ragtag group of guys And then something goes wrong We're all just checking the Wikipedia page Down periscope Down periscope Wikipedia Yeah it looks like there's some sort of Like is it just like an unorthodox tactics Submarine comedy Someone's charged with mutiny
[01:44:22] I think there's a lot going on Okay Relative to other sub movies though Yeah Maybe less It might be the most fun you could have on a sub Yeah golf on top Yeah Remember that part That was a good part That was a good part
[01:44:35] That was a good part That's a weird round of like mid 90s studio Military comedies What else you got Where you have like Major pain Major pain Sergeant Bilko In the army now Mikael's Navy These are all bad movies Damn all like notorious flops
[01:44:51] You say we drive a ride Like all career killers So funny What about Ed Burns What is cut up You, alright I'll pitch you If you were major pain You could play like Like almost like a Napoleon Con- like a cons What's that like Complex
[01:45:10] Thank you so much Sure Napoleon complex You want me to reboot Major pain And the bid is that this time he He's little He's a short tank Yeah and he's mad about it Yeah I mean I could do it Cause well wait a second
[01:45:22] There's another one for a game Renaissance man Oh yeah Which is Dan DeVito But like The ultimate Napoleon DeVito is like Considerably shorter than Newman Penny Marshall Penny Marshall It feels like a step back Yeah I'm trying to get cast Alongside Dan DeVito So I can feel huge
[01:45:38] And fit Can't believe What the Penny Marshall's gone We lost Penny Yeah you're still reeling From the Matrix news Yeah What are you going to do For the rest of your day now I don't know I have something to do Is this what it's life
[01:45:56] After sex with you Oh my god That's what this feels like It feels like you're non-verbal now Like I'm so incredible You've released everything Yeah Do you want a sandwich? It's just one of those things Where I'm like This is going to bite me in the ass
[01:46:11] Somehow this is just I wanted it to go exactly like this When they announced The trip to Greece earlier this year I felt the vapors in much the same way Very excited So you're saying that right now You feel like Bizarro switch Exactly You're saying like this
[01:46:27] Like this Like Like this Like like this Oh switch Is there other stuff in your notes Meant to tell you I'm sorry this is the most Runaway episode we've done That's in the last Four days When she says Just go find some fields And stand at it
[01:46:47] It's a sick burn Yeah Sick burn If an old lady said that to you You would be destroyed Well it's like Fawn saying Go sit on it Yeah One of my favorite insults ever It is a good insult Yeah sit on it What else is calcifer
[01:47:03] I don't know Yeah the second half The second half's kind of a bummer I agree with you that it's kind of a bummer Where she's like Oh no I put out calcifer And there's all that to deal with Right And like of course she put out calcifer
[01:47:13] Like she has to The last thing I wanted this movie At the hour mark is plot Right that's the thing You're right You're right It is a lot of plot Just like more howl It feels like you know Some of the other minazaki movies
[01:47:25] Will have a lot of setup in the first half And then let you just kind of Go transcend it in a second Yeah And this is the opposite Which kind of feels like a buzz All transcendents and they're like Alright so anyway this is what's going on here
[01:47:36] Right And there's that sequence where she sees how Becoming magical Like catching calcifer Yeah That sort of happens It's one of the like four different endings Right exactly That's where you're like Wait is this now Oh no I guess it's not You know I don't know
[01:47:51] Good individual sequences I don't get swept up in it quite in the same way That's the thing The great thing is It looks great The character design is phenomenal Like I love how calcifer looks I love how Leo Do you love Little hutris Yeah I do Calcifer
[01:48:05] I think he's very handsome What's your beef with calcifer He's a little He's like Flaming with eyeballs I like the leaves on the log He hugs the log But he has like He's a little flame for Brooklyn He has ponio eyeballs He's got those like
[01:48:16] Just the white round Shifty things And Okay we don't need to make David any more horny Than he already is Yeah And they I don't know I'm just like It's gonna be a little fire I don't know I don't think calcifer is all that hot
[01:48:32] If you catch my tree Oh boy Oh boy I do like That she kisses turnip head And he's like I've been in my own movie The whole time And she's like I think we already talked I know And then I'm trying to think of any other thing
[01:48:45] That happens My big takes on this movie Is just that like It does in retrospect Feel like he was fine tuning Some things and gearing up For the masterworks to come But And I really would have Love to see him maybe Get ahead of that
[01:49:00] And pivot more in the direction Of getting into like Howl in the battle over his soul And his difficult struggle He has in coming back To his human form And not have that lost in All the mumbo jumbo That goes on around him But I do feel like
[01:49:14] The crucial line In the second half of this movie anyways When he says that all this magic is just To keep everyone away I can't stand how scared I am Which if anything Feels like an animator Who lives in their hut Away from all life
[01:49:29] And hates interacting with the public And just chainsmokes all day long And has created more joy Than like any other You know, artist In the 20th century and beyond You know, feels like Miyazaki putting his voice into Into him That line resonated with me
[01:49:44] And I think as Miyazaki became Increasingly introspective That line was a hint at things to come It's funny that We'll talk about Wind Rises But right It's an incredible movie But like this is the anti-war movie And not the Wind Rise The Wind Rises is about
[01:50:02] I'm sure you guys will get into The anti-war movie Unless Wind Rises is pro-war Right, there was definitely An argument that was levied against it Yeah, but I Yeah, no, I mean this movie is It was derided for being sort of
[01:50:15] Very on the nose about its anti-war message But I think that it's not just like war is bad I mean, it's really, for me, talking about What we lose by giving over To the impulse of war And how difficult it is To extract yourself
[01:50:30] And the bits of your soul Like from that experience And just go back to normal And the delusion That you can sort of Pivot towards conflict Then if you're back to normalcy And you're going to be whole And treat other people with the same sort of
[01:50:44] Selflessness that Sophie always does I think that that is That's a salient message in the movie That survives the borderline Disaster of second half I think that's a great take I think that is what works in this film I do just like I prefer talking about
[01:51:00] That being the takeaway rather than Watching 40 minutes of it Which start to feel both repetitive And didactic in a way That Miyazaki movies don't And the thing that is really joyful I found in discovering these movies Is like, these are movies where like
[01:51:14] Every 10 minutes the movie can totally change And its messaging can stay so sort of Like open in terms of The way it's so thoroughly exploring All of its themes, it's a watchin' way For like 40 minutes is Even if it's doing so intelligently
[01:51:29] Just showing you that war is really bad And the people who do it are operating out of Like, you know Human weakness Is just a little frustrating For me It does kind of just end a little damn Point, like actual ending It was fine Although you must like
[01:51:48] That Sophie kisses literally everybody Like all the kiss I'm not kissing Jesus Christ I just saw a good movie with kissing in there You are horned up right now This is insane I'm always horned up Yeah but not Matrix 4 horned up
[01:52:03] He pulled his shirt off and he's like Spinning it around his head He's like whipping it around And the movie you saw with good kissing Angel is fallen Good boys Hot as movie Was there kissing in Good Boys? Yeah, was there kissing party The whole movie
[01:52:16] Well that's, oh yeah that's right The kissing party Yeah In Good Boys I was just No, I was making a joke No one should say the kissing in Good Boys is good I'm aware of that I'm just saying like My whole thing, my taking out
[01:52:26] The whole time I was like If the girls don't eventually Become friends with them I'm out on this movie Right And so when the girls come home And they're like You kids will figure it out I was like thank you Good, thank you
[01:52:38] That's what I was looking for I got my scene And then they ask him to sing And he sings and it's sweet There's some good stuff There's some good stuff Wait I just saw something with really good kissing It's okay It's okay I don't think it's very good
[01:52:49] Okay boy But it's enjoyable enough to watch Right Was it Notting Hill? No Who's bringing up Notting Hill? It's just a boy Sitting in front of a girl No I'm getting it wrong She's just a girl sitting in front of a boy Asking him to love her
[01:53:02] And then they kiss And I think it's good kissing What was the good kiss you saw? Was it like a new thing or an old... You want me to look at my letter box? Yeah Whatever happened to Reese Reifans? He became like a great British dramatic actor
[01:53:16] Of course it was The Lizard He was The Lizard Well yeah but he In Britain he's in like You know plays and TV miniseries and stuff He's like a great actor I feel like Anonymous was supposed to be Like a big comeback for him as a studio man
[01:53:28] Am I inventing the fact that He had a problem with alcohol? He has definitely had problems That's the way it's done He's one of... He dated... When I worked at People Magazine He was dating Sienna Miller Right And Kate Moss despised Sienna Miller And I had to cut...
[01:53:45] I mean I had to talk about all the Interstinine warfare that was going on In their social set Where like Kate Moss was trying to One up Sienna Miller's birthday gift To Reese Reifans Like there was all kinds of like And it was kind of funny to think
[01:53:57] Like wow Reese Reifans is like at the center Of like the hottest British gossip of the year It was a thing too where like he was doing the Comic-Con panel for Amazing Spider-Man And much like Miyazaki He would not stop at chain smoking
[01:54:11] Oh sure, I was at that comic con Yeah no, he did not seem happy to be there Right they asked him to stop smoking During the panel and I believe He got into a fist fight with a security guard And was arrested Great
[01:54:23] I will say the moment when... It was a portrait of a lady on fire Oh, well there's some... Which won't be out by the time we But one day on this or some other podcast I can do a dramatic reading of the text messages
[01:54:36] David Elson sent me after seeing Portrait of a Lady on Fire Where we both agreed that it is the movie It's not a movie She's one of my favorite living filmmakers And the fact that she has made a movie That now everyone thinks is like Stone Cold Masterpiece
[01:54:51] When I'm already this in the tank for her Is thrilling to me I was shaking for like two days After I saw this movie We'll see you soon on TopSip Can I just say Ben is giving me the look where it's like
[01:55:04] Don't talk about the moment you realize That Reese Siefons was one of Britain's Great Traumatic Actors But then he just pointed to me To give me permission to do that Once I sort of did a backdoor way of asking
[01:55:13] There's a moment at the end of the film called Notting Hill Where Hugh Grant has assembled All his friends and family All his fucking bougie friends All his bougie Ruin that neighborhood No to self This is the moment when Reese Siefons gave him a great dramatic actor
[01:55:27] And he's giving them the low down of what happened He's saying You know she came to the bookstore It was a kind of sweet actually She said that she was just a girl Standing in front of a boy asking to love her
[01:55:35] And then there's a moment of silence Everyone sits there with that bombshell And then Hugh Grant, you know, Immortally says Oh, sawed a dog I've made the wrong decision, haven't I? And then there's just a cut What a cut The cut of the film
[01:55:49] To Reese E.F.E.N.S And this doesn't really translate into a podcast Which I should have realized Before I went on this two minute story And it goes Yelp It's just like an up and down It doesn't even make that much sound with his mouth
[01:56:01] I believe it was in the trailers It is a perfect moment It is what Alva, Thomas Alva Edison Had in mind when he invented the cinema In the middle of the current war In the middle of the current war And then it immediately cuts to
[01:56:15] Do do do do do ch Do do do do do ch When they're fucking racing To the royal whatever the fuck hotel What a movie And then what happens when Okay, so I guess they're And then he of course They all make out They all kiss the guy
[01:56:29] No but Oh wow Ben was winding up A truly damp He was Ben was waiting a full minute on Mike with the mouth part And then he went like this like He was just Torquing out to be able to work Wait but they're not even
[01:56:45] I don't know how deep into this you're getting Before they make out They all kiss the bell man Right Or the checking guy at the hotel And then the Japanese businessman comes in And this moment There's so much to see There's a little squishy
[01:57:01] But he thinks it's the custom To kiss the guy And then he jumps over the counter When he's checking in and kisses the guy I just want to say And I have seen several actors Say this now And I can't remember any of them Specifically now
[01:57:13] People being like They offered me like The best friend role in this movie And I said like What's the point I'll never be able to do it As well as Risa Fonstedt And I remember the first time I read someone say that I was like come on
[01:57:24] But then you think about it And you're like That is always the worst character Sure Like usually movies That is the problem where they're like There's this fucking Like slovenly roommate Or brother Or this bum Or a slacker Who just like Drives you insane And even good actors
[01:57:40] Have failed trying to do it He should have fucking Got an Oscar nomination for that movie It is insane Is that 1999 I think it's a pretty loaded year And not supporting action nominees He could have cut through Christopher Plummer as Mike Wallace Risa Fonstedt as Spike Yes
[01:57:56] Spike is his name Nailed it baby I had a friend called Pandora He has some old books though Hilly Joel Osman obviously Tom Cruise McNally obviously And I feel like Yeah I'm pretty sure There's like 18 other great candidates Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest That's another good one
[01:58:10] Let's play the box office game We're going to I just wanted to mention Best example of that Is John Heeter in Just Like Heaven Sure You know He's like I'm like the friend Josh Gabb? He's like a real friend Love another drugs You ever see that one
[01:58:24] Oh boy He's the brother He's the brother It can be a brother It can be a roommate Interesting fixation on his Brother's penis Yup In that film Not a penis stuck I mean I would be fixated On Jake Jullin Hall's penis too To be fair Alright
[01:58:38] This movie came out in the US On June 10th 2005 Summer really It was a summer really It opened on 36 screens To $427,000 14th of the box office It will not figure into The box office game What was the final total? Four and a half right Yeah Not great
[01:58:57] Well but I'm pretty sure It cleared 230 in Japan Right it's one of the highest Crystal films in the history of Japan It's still on the top 10 June 10th 2005 They're releasing it Like right before They release cars That shows you How uninterested Disney Was in this movie Yeah
[01:59:14] It is a Disney release Number one at the box office An action movie With movie stars Multiple Two Is it Mr. and Mrs. Smith? Oh boy Hashtag the two stars Hashtag two stars Is what I give it That movie If that movie couldn't keep
[01:59:37] Those two crazy kids together Nothing good Do you like Mr. and Mrs. Smith? No one likes Mr. and Mrs. Smith Some people do I think there's some stuff That movie is why the name I mean there have been several reasons Why since
[01:59:49] But that will always be the reason Why the name Simon Kinberg Sends chills up my spine But Dark Phoenix I'm not saying it's the best reason I'm saying it's the reason Dark Phoenix Very memorable movie Number two at the box office I remember all that stuff that happened
[02:00:05] Spam call Not my fault Remember what stuff happened Dark Phoenix Existing You know there was like All those scenes with the actors The fans got too dark And people were squinting Squinting And see that Phoenix I'm gonna see that Phoenix Dark is a moonless night
[02:00:23] Number two at the box office Animated film It's an animated film But it's not a Pixar No Is Matt a gas card? Nope This is where I'm at I just figured you can nail these Big summer frame Number three is a film That we've covered on this podcast
[02:00:38] Batman Begins Nope Next week Fuck Revenge of the Sith Number four Comedy Longest Yard Number five Children's live action Film Sort of Interesting With animation Which is sort of It is definitely for children But it's only kind of live action
[02:01:02] I feel like it has a lot of CG And sort of crazy effects A lot of crazy effects Is it based on anything? Is it like an adaptation of anything? I don't know I don't think so What were you going to guess? No, I think I'm wrong
[02:01:14] In every way a person can be wrong Can you throw it out though? It's six years too late And not for children Small soldiers Not small kids Like that one of the best films ever man No, not based on anything But based on an original story
[02:01:26] By like the director's kid Oh, Shark Boy and Lava Girl Resemption Wow The adventures of Shark Boy And Lava Girl In three days Of Robert Rodriguez You got Shark Boy The only story credit of Racer Rodriguez I'm sorry You got Shark Boy and Lava Girl together
[02:01:46] Because it was before the recession That is Taylor Lautner, is it not? Taylor Lautner I believe is Shark Boy I forget who played Lava Girl I think it was for... Someone called Taylor Dooley So two tailors A boy and a girl The two tails
[02:02:10] I saw that movie in theaters What did you think? It's okay Robert Rodriguez is... I know he's in your Sharky? Yeah He's in your great graces right now Because of Alita Great movie But it isn't But like I think that Your takes on Christoph Walter and saying The...
[02:02:28] He's probably still my winner No, no, Nivola came in there And throat punched him Oh really? That's a great performance What a performance That's a great performance That's a great performance Kind of a field But I wonder if a filmmaker Has ever just like so casually
[02:02:43] In the Hollywood system anyway Or on the fringes of it Done so much On so their own wavelength In such an uninteresting way For so long He is kind of a Fastening phenomenon in that sense That he did like a micro version Of Studio G-Blade where he's like
[02:02:57] I figured out how to make Every movie in my home And it doesn't matter if they're all bad Right, but that they were all Sort of like esoteric But also like kind of impersonal You know? That he was like, I'm following my Wins and we're like
[02:03:12] I don't know who you are But my kid came up with a movie Called Shark Boy Lava Boy Shark Boy Lava Boy Racer Red Riga So we gotta go That was Joey's take on Stuber Was... You know that joke in 30 Rock Where Tracy Morgan's like
[02:03:27] I made a whole movie in my car And Scott adds it's like That was supposed to be a western I saw that Joey's like Stuber just seems like one of those Movies that's like it's fun You can make it in your car We will come to your car
[02:03:44] I enjoyed Stuber So we got all five films at the Box office That's it, number six Yeah, can I try doing six through Ten just because I breeze through Them so quickly Number six is Period sports movie Number six is a period Sports movie from Two thousand...
[02:04:00] Honestly making nine million And it's on number six In 2005 Not bad That's an opening weekend No, it's a second weekend Invictus 2 Two Victus I believe What studio is it? Is it Disney Sports Movie? Universal It's a universal... Sports movie is a bit of a
[02:04:17] You know a trick here But it is a sports movie There's no question So it's a weird sport Nah, it's a common movie Sport, it's just kind of About other things as well But it's a sports movie Is Cinderella Man Mmmmm Alright number seven Teens
[02:04:34] Number seven is for the teens And you love it I like it a lot I haven't seen it in years Comedy? Yeah, comedy Ben's doing two fingers He is You know what that means? I mean I do The teens are walking They're walking
[02:04:47] It's kind of a weird clue What do you walk on? Water What do you use to walk? Feet And Legs What goes over legs? Shoes, walking on shoes Nope Pants Walking with pants Oh! Cistern of the Traveling Pan Yeah, Ben? Very weird clue You know
[02:05:10] He just motions like two fingers As legs walk One of the great casts ever assembled Number eight is one of those movies You forget happen where it's Kind of like Guess Who Where it's sort of black cast Updating of an old thing The Honeymooners
[02:05:28] I never forget that movie I think it's weird that we don't talk about it all the time Cedric the Entertainer Mike Apps Regina Hall Regina Hall? Yeah I never saw it And then I'm trying to remember who the fourth actor is Jean Legazin Mosin as well
[02:05:42] But I'm trying to remember who the fourth person is Gabrielle Union Gabrielle Union The great Gabby Union Who just showed up in ER season six Yes Number nine, big comedy Return of a major Oscar winning star Who had been like not Monster in Love Number ten, French horror
[02:06:00] High tension Yes I mean I don't know if this is like a ton of French horror But you still got it I just felt confident I want to do the ten And then number eleven, Wynn's best picture Number eleven, Wynn's best picture It's correct Sometimes we're also numb
[02:06:16] Let's keep going Let's get to Hal Hal's fourteen Then we're done We're almost there Number twelve Dramatization of a documentary Also a sort of quasi sports movie Weird It's a dramatization of a documentary Yeah, bends into it Was it a recent? Oh, Lord's of Dogtown
[02:06:36] I think a good movie I haven't seen I think a very good movie I think a movie is really good to write Hardwick, right? Hardwick And then number thirteen Cheesy sports comedy that shares the name of a master PCS I just want it to be known
[02:06:54] That last night I hung out with friends of the podcast John Hodgman And he made a joke about the box office game About me being able to name What was number one at the box office The first weekend of January in 2010
[02:07:06] And then I went, wait, I want to see if I can actually do this He went to pull up box office mojo It was down So he couldn't provide any context clues And I just sat there for three minutes And then went true grit
[02:07:18] And he went, it just reloaded The answer is true grit That's terrible I just like, I went into like The files of my brain Without any further information Just knowing it was the first weekend of January And I deduced it Anyway My brain is broken
[02:07:35] And I cannot find happiness in life A lot of pride in that story Huge amount of pride Baby misplaced Give me my victory Please give me my victory Or like you got a baby coming out Yeah, baby launching at the end of November
[02:07:52] To be very profitable, I think Huge hit You're gonna cap merchandising sales at 10 million per year We're gonna cap the amount of money That this baby can take for me at 10 million You want to keep the integrity You want the baby to retain The integrity of its character
[02:08:06] We don't want the baby to be spoiled By the tens of dollars that we have to spend on it Gonna keep the baby off the streaming services The baby will become The most beloved guest this podcast Pushing Me Out Forever We do, we actually
[02:08:21] We had really wanted a girl We were both I learned about the term gender disappointment Because the mommy blogs are on it When we found out we were having a boy And then I didn't really think about it too much Because they were like you'll get over it
[02:08:34] Eventually your kid will just be your kid And then it was really when we figured out The name that we both liked That I suddenly wasn't just excited about having a kid But became very excited about having this kid Excited for this name I'm pumped for this
[02:08:48] I will We're a Baskin Robbins I feel like we're about to get a big scoop The name is gonna be No, I can't drop the name on this podcast You can't I've already had this conversation with him The way he talks about it
[02:09:00] I'm like I can't wait to hear what this like Transformational name No, no, no, no It'll be pretty underwhelming It's just like the idea of having a name It's Bob It's really Bob It's Sling Blade It's a boy so you can't name it Carol
[02:09:16] Yeah, well you can, Carol Reed Oh I may have said too much Well look at that But yes, baby Yeah Hope so Alright, I'm gonna wrap it up I'm gonna make a bounce baby joke And I couldn't think of a way to word it That was not morbid
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[02:10:35] And 6000 Patreon subscribers And Ben has to do a fashion show You ready, bitch? I'm ready We wanted to make this the 5,000 goal And Ben said he needed more time Ben was like, ah, more like six Do you make buried jeans and baby sizes? No, but I will Alright
[02:10:50] Buried onesie We gotta wrap it up We gotta haul Next week Wind Rises What a film And as always No, next week's Ponya Oh, I'm sorry Next week is Ponya with Shirley Lane Right Now of the Atlantic
[02:11:06] And a week after that I get to watch Wind Rises for the first time And as always Tell us that Josh Brolin story Yeah Turn the mics off, baby Alright, so they were at a urinal