Inception

[00:00:00] You remind me of someone, a man I remembered, and a half-forgotten podcast. A man possessed of some radical notion. What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? Intestinal worm? A podcast. Resilient, highly contagious. Once a podcast has taken hold of the brain, it's almost impossible to eradicate.

[00:00:45] A podcast that is fully formed, fully understood that sticks right in there somewhere. Hi everybody, I'm Griffin Newman. I'm David Sims. Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David. Yeah, welcome. Hi, that was great. That was great. I was thrilled with that.

[00:01:01] Thank you. This is a podcast about filmographies of directors who experience massive success early on in their careers and were given a series of blank checks to make whatever they wanted. Whatever they dream. Oh, don't bomb. Alright, alright. Here I am. I'm into it. I'm into it.

[00:01:25] What are you doing? Producer Ben A.K. Ben Dooser A.K. Poet Laureate A.K. Perdueur Ben A.K. Mr. Hosev A.K. Mr. Pazov A.K. The fuckmaster A.K. The tiebreaker A.K. Not Professor Crispy. Never know.

[00:01:39] He is the meat lover. Did I say that one already? No. He's the peeper. He's our finance film critic. He's not a temperature queen. No, not. He's dirt bike Benny. That's true. He's soaking white Benny. Yeah.

[00:01:50] He's graduated to certain titles over the course of different miniseries such as producer Ben Kenobi, Kylo, Ben. Yeah. Ben Niteshamel and Ben Sate. It's been a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. Ben Niteshamel, did I say anything? Ailey Ben's with a dollar sign and Warhaw's.

[00:02:07] There you go. He's playing fast and loose with the sound board today. Oh my God. I'm getting ready for these Brahms, baby. We got some Brahms. I suppose this is an exposition heavy film. It's an exposition heavy episode.

[00:02:20] And we got a lot of Brahms we got to drop today. This is a miniseries on the films Christopher Nolan. It's called The Pod Knight Cast. Of course it is. And we've gotten to the film that kind of makes him different from other Blank Check filmmakers we've covered.

[00:02:33] Go on. Because he got hit, go on. You could argue that Dark Knight is the film that allowed him to be issued the Blank Check that he used to make Inception. Right. For sure. That's the catalyst movie that gives him the Blank Check.

[00:02:48] This is nominally his Blank Check movie. His Cache. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. Right. They're the ones that are maybe a failure or, you know. Sometimes those checks clear. Sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce, baby. Right? Yeah.

[00:03:06] And even when they clear, usually it's like you get a double or triple. You're safe. Yeah, exactly. You satisfied your artistic. You did one for me. Right. And then you'll go back and do one for them again, maybe. Right? Like that's the ideal model.

[00:03:20] But this is a movie that would have given someone a Blank Check. That's the thing. The success of this movie has given him a Blank Check. So he gets a check on a check. You know how much he was paid for Dunkirk? How much? $20 million plus 20%. Amazing.

[00:03:34] For the movie that he should be talking them into, you know, like I really want to make this, please let me. Well, let's talk about this. Your brother Joey Sims went to a screening of Dunkirk and Q&A. Yeah.

[00:03:47] Christopher Nolan directly disputed the notion that Blank Check films are a thing. He did. That's true. He was not recording like a month. So there's a lot of right, like Nolan. Since we've last recorded, I saw Dunkirk. Dunkirk came out. Dunkirk was a huge success. Sure.

[00:04:03] It's doing well. Joey Sims, Hurd, Nolan. Did he tell you the Brom thing? No, what's the Brom thing? He was just, Joey was like, he talked, he's very quiet. You know, he's not commanding voice or anything. Sure.

[00:04:16] So Joey was like, everyone was clearly, it's an old crowd at Lincoln Center, nodding off during this Q&A because it's just very mumbly. He should do ASMR videos. Yeah, he should. He should do ASMR videos. So, I'm Christopher Nolan.

[00:04:30] Today I'm going to do some of my favorite teas. That's basically what he sounds like, I think. This is a twinning. And then it's for some reason, he did the inception noise. He went, Brom. And everyone was like, because it was suddenly very loud. That's very funny.

[00:04:47] Yes, I think he disputed the blank check notion. He said no one ever gets a blank check. It's always a series of negotiations and there are always concessions, which of course if someone's giving you that much money, it's always... Yeah. And just the fact that it's collaborative.

[00:04:59] Okay Chris, he's splitting hairs over here. But she's a Christ. No one else would have been allowed to make Dunkirk and certainly the way he did and be rewarded that way. Anyone else they'd go like, okay, you can make Dunkirk, but guess what? You're making fucking $2,000 for this.

[00:05:13] Yeah, right. Exactly. You're making a passion project or you can make it for scale, right? Yeah. I mean, when your passion project costs $100 million. Right. But he's a guy who's got a check on a check on a check. Because he made inception knowing... Check within a check?

[00:05:27] After this, he's got a check within a check. Would you say that he's possessive some radical notions? Oh yes. About blank checks? Most certainly. You remind me of a man, I met long ago. Was that you doing your broms? Mm-mm.

[00:05:44] Oh guys, we have not been together for a long while. It's been a while. It's been painful. It has been a while. What's up? Love you, Benny. Oh. Okay. You're the best. I can touch him so he's the one who gets my affection. Griffin's across the table. Yeah.

[00:06:01] I'm good. Connoisseur's a contact. You don't want me to touch you? Connoisseur's a contact. Connoisseur's a contact. What the hell is happening? I don't know. I'm really... You know, I've said before on this podcast that no one should ever make a TV show and I stand by that.

[00:06:17] I think the tick is excellent. I'm very proud of it. I think people are going to love it when it comes out August 25th. I'm very excited. Exclusively on Prime Video. And I'm not watching the screeners.

[00:06:24] I want to watch with the masses on my 50-inch Amazon TV that I just bought that keeps telling me about you. My face keeps on coming up. It does. It's weird. Like when I turn it on. Because that's the creepy thing about these smart TVs.

[00:06:38] It's like here's an ad for you. Six tight half hour episodes coming out August 25th. So it's a really weird show. Sure. I just like, I keep on looking at how much they're promoting and the promotion's only going to get crazier but putting us on all these...

[00:06:53] You're on the Facebook. Right. The JetBlueFlights and those into the TV and all that sort of stuff. And I'm like, this show is really weird. Yeah. I mean, there are these 30-second ads. You can't really tell. It's just superheroes. But I mean, it seems a little weird. Okay.

[00:07:09] It's weird. It's weird. I think it's really good. I just like, I wonder if everyone else shares my taste. Right. Well, it's going to post at the end of the month. This is posting at the beginning of the month.

[00:07:20] And as I said, no one should ever make a TV show. I'm very proud that they forced me to do it but no one should ever do it. No, I wish you hadn't. I'd rather you were really in just like destitute right now. Right.

[00:07:30] And ready to record episodes on a regular basis. Exactly. Just David, let me do more blank checks. You know what I've realized even more than making a TV show no one should ever do a promoted TV show too much work. That's a real problem. Too demanding.

[00:07:41] I'm exhausted, my brain is fried. But you're almost done. I'm almost done. And we're here today. We're here today to talk about the movie called Inception. Inception. Inception. Yes. 2010 romantic comedy. What's the genre of this film again? I'd say it's like a romantic dramedy.

[00:07:57] I would say it is a... Because it does have some dramatic elements. I know what we mostly think about it's cutting humor. Right. Because there's a whole scene that's a... There's such a funny movie. It's an extra long P-gag. Yes. Let's be honest. This is a whole...

[00:08:09] Not scene, like a whole... A set piece. Right. A whole chunk of the movie is a P-gag. This might be the most expensive P-joke in the history of Santa Monica. It's a hell of a P-joke. There's also the parody of that Jamaeriqua video. Very fun. Very true. Yeah.

[00:08:23] So basically it goes like this. Christopher Nolan. 1996, five whenever. He's sitting there watching the box. An early British cable channel where you could call in and watch your favorite music videos. I love the context you're gonna... I'm pressing a three digit number. What kind of source am I?

[00:08:36] He calls in and he's like, virtual insanity please. Who's wearing the fuzzy hat? He's watching. He's wearing it at home. And he's watching JK of Jamaeriqua. Navigate a world of furniture shifting around. What else happens in that video? There's like a bird at some point.

[00:08:57] Who directed that parody video? Christopher Nolan. I feel like it was someone like Jonathan Glaser. It was one of those big shots. Or Romantic. Yeah, sure. He's one of them. No, I mean you're joking. David that was a funny joke in five comedy points.

[00:09:12] Jonathan Glaser, I was right. Nailed it. Yeah. But one shot. That's impressive. It is impressive. We all know that this movie of course is based on one of the... Carl Banks' Scrooge McDuck comic books. I love those comic books.

[00:09:31] You know there is a Scrooge McDuck comic book that's about the Bucal Boys trying to steal... Scrooge's dreams. They sneak into his dreams when he's sleeping. That's cool. Yeah, it's cool. They changed the characters a little bit for this. No, but he makes... He makes The Dark Knight.

[00:09:51] I'm sorry, The Dark Knight. And... Sure. Movie's very successful. Quite successful. Yeah, it is. Right? I mean there's a thing, you know, Box House Fnatic's like you and I...

[00:10:03] There was a long stretch there where it kind of looked like I guess maybe nothing's ever going to top Titanic. Sure. But not only that, nothing ever came close. Right. Like Titanic was sitting pretty at 600 mil. Yeah. And nothing had even crested 500. Right, right.

[00:10:18] And then you have The Dark Knight in 08. And then after that the next one's The Avengers, right? Correct. Yeah, yeah, to beat 500 mil. Right, but for a while nothing was on 500. You had some 400 grocers and those were big, but Titanic was miles ahead.

[00:10:29] And Dark Knight there was this real kind of like Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire thing of like are they going to do it? Are they going to do it week by week? Everyone's looking at the holds going like everyone. Everyone like us. Mm-hmm. All broken people.

[00:10:40] We're looking at the holds going like are they going to make it? It taps out of 534. Yeah. But it's still a huge, huge, huge fucking total. It's the second biggest movie in history. Yeah, until Avatar the next year. Right.

[00:10:51] And they know that he's going to make a third Batman movie. Who knows? Warner Brothers. Do you think they knew that? I think Nolan was reticent. Yeah, he didn't want to do it. But I think they were like, come on dude. Well, look forgetting that. Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

[00:11:07] Yeah, exactly. What the fuck was that? That was weird. Yeah. I mean, it'd be cool if Inception was about them trying to get Jason Segal to forget Sarah Marshall. Yeah, because that guy really has to get over it. He really needs to get over it.

[00:11:20] That was not a healthy relationship. I mean, I understand. Look, I'm a heartbroken dude, but that relationship was not healthy to begin with. But we did get him to the Greek out of it. Yes. Which is great. And we did successfully get him to the Greek.

[00:11:34] We got him to the Greek. They got him to the Greek? They got him to the Greek. Oh, you didn't know? Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. All right. He's got The Dark Knight. It's doing great. And it's doing Cracker Jack. He wrote an 80 page treatment about dream stealers.

[00:11:54] But he had done this earlier, right? Long time ago. Right. He said he was influenced by movies like The Matrix, Dark City, The Thirteenth Floor, these sorts of nineties city sci-fi movies. I don't know how, how do you describe it? Sure. Sure.

[00:12:14] He wrote it as a horror movie. Okay. And then he was like, I think I want to do it as a heist film. Yeah. Because I think he probably mostly just because he likes heist films and more than he likes horror films. But I don't know.

[00:12:27] He said he was into that. I don't know. And he pitched it in 2001. I'm just sorry. I'm just getting this info for you. We're across the context. When he goes in to sort of start on an insomnia. Yeah. He's made memento and they're like, what do you got?

[00:12:43] And he realized inception would need a very big budget. So he's like, forget it. And he makes Batman and he makes the prestige and he makes the dark night. Yeah. Bartman began and continued. And he knighted. Yeah.

[00:12:57] And then after making the dark night, he spent six months really like writing the script for inception that is the movie. Like, you know, he was with a blank, he has a blank check. So he's like, great. And now I can do my green dream thieves movie.

[00:13:11] And then he gets Leo de Caprio to be in it. Right. He gets quite a cast, but that's the big thing is like he knew. I mean, apparently his only other choice was Wolf Smith. I think he knew he needed a guy of that stature. Makes sense. Right.

[00:13:26] Because the Leo is such an obvious Chris Nolan lead. He just has. Right. He looks like Christopher Nolan. But Leo is we talk about the death of the movie star a lot. And Leo is this one guy who's been so particular and strategic about what he

[00:13:41] signs on to do. Yes. Even if all the movies aren't great, he still has that kind of event film power by him choosing to be something. And I would say just more and more. So I mean, here's Leo.

[00:13:52] Because Wolf Smith used to have that and he lost it. You're not excited for bright? Bright. Looks twisted. It looks twisted. Brown. He had made the aviator. Yeah. You know, just in recent I'm saying like when he's and then he's getting Scorch easy. Yeah.

[00:14:10] He's getting very Scorch easy. He makes right gangs New York or to nothing aviator or for nothing. Departed 06 of three Scorsese movies in a row. And then he has blood diamond in 06 as well. Those movies successfully each one is more successful than they're doing great.

[00:14:25] He gets an Oscar nomination for blood diamond that he richly deserved. Just kidding. He was fine. He made body of lies in 08 with Ridley Scott, which went nowhere. That's a whiff. It's a whiff.

[00:14:36] He made Revolutionary Road in 08 with Sam Mendes that was supposed to be a big Oscar play. Kind of goes nowhere too. Another whiff. That's definitely a dip there. I forgot about that dip. Yeah. But two logical decisions by all means. Big directors, big stars.

[00:14:50] 2010 he was duly appointed a federal marshal. He was. He was for Shudder Island. Another huge hit considering push back to 11. Was it not? No, no. It came out in 010. It was supposed to be for 9. Oh, okay. Okay. So Shudder Island came out before Inception? Yeah.

[00:15:09] Because it came out February. Right. Yeah. But essentially yes. He does have two movies come out the same year where he's like a man tortured by a dead wife who's a ghost and is losing his mind and like what is real and what is not is sort

[00:15:23] of like the central drama. I remember that they came out within six months of each other but I thought it was the opposite order. No, they made Shudder Island for it was supposed to be an Oscar player for 09. Right. And they got pushed back.

[00:15:34] They got pushed back for whatever reason. It came out in February, big hit. Yeah, big hit. Inception humongous hit. Well yeah. His second biggest film ever. Yeah. And then he made J. Edgar and he showed them all. Then he made Django. Right big. Great Gatsby. Huge hit.

[00:15:51] Yeah, weirdly very successful. We never talk about that. Wolf of Wall Street, huge hit. Huge hit. Then The Revenant, huge hit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean he's kicking ass. He's The Revenant and he's done nothing. Right.

[00:16:02] He's like trying to convince Donald Trump not to destroy the world I guess. Yeah. He has like a lot of meetings with Ivanka. Isn't there some new Scorcheezy movie that's being talked about? Well right. Yes, there's a multiple because they've been talking about Devil in the White City

[00:16:17] for a long time that he'd be in it and now there's a new thing they're talking about that he might be in. Which I'm forgetting about. But right now Scorsese is making the Irishman. Yeah. Anyway. So in 09, February 09, Warner Brothers purchases Inception, a spec script.

[00:16:31] And I think for them this... And announces it big deal. I remember it being announced. Right. And this always felt to me like an insurance policy. Like if we bankroll this huge crazy movie... Then surely he'll make us another Batman.

[00:16:42] He has to do with our Batman because I think everyone could sense already he was a little on the edge about the Batman. I think he required a lot of talking into it. But yeah maybe Inception was part of the pitch.

[00:16:50] Kind of felt like a one for them, one for us sort of deal. The film shot in Tokyo. It's shot in the United Kingdom where they did all the sets. All the hamster wheel sets, all the weird rotating... You know all the crazy shit. Yeah.

[00:17:05] And a lot of the like university stuff. Yeah. It's shot in France. Yeah. Paris. It's shot in Morocco for Mombasa. That's like a lot of this movie's budget. And then it's shot in LA. And then it's shot in Alberta Canada for the snowy stuff.

[00:17:24] So all over the place. That's very expensive to do, especially if you're retaining the same crew and traveling them everywhere and you're not using second unit. Not using second unit. And shooting on IMAX. Shooting on IMAX with a massive cast of big stars who all... You know...

[00:17:38] Have accommodations. Please do accommodate me. Yeah he casts Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who is a new guy for him too. He hasn't been in any Batman, any Nolan movies yet. No. But he's sort of like hot. He's like people like... Had 500 days of summer come out last... The summer before?

[00:18:00] Was that 2009? Yeah people are into him. It was. He casts Ellen Page, recent Oscar nominee. A cuckoo coot-toyar who had beaten her that year for the Oscar. Yeah cuckoo coot-toyar. That's right. Hardy obviously. Coming off of Bronson. Right, also had not yet been. Now these guys are like...

[00:18:21] Yes. Yeah because coot-toyar also hadn't. But they all become like the Nolan players. No but had been a Nolan movie. Oh yes, correct. He's establishing a lot of new company players in this. He brings back Watanabe from Batman Begins. Gives him a real role this time.

[00:18:37] He's believe he's second build. Well we'll get to the building game later. So excited. Killian Murphy, his old pal. His old buddy. Revives Tom Bairinger this time rather than Eric Roberts or... Rucker Hower.

[00:18:50] And by revived it literally looks like they shook Tom Bairinger out of bed at 4 o'clock in the morning. So can you shoot a couple scenes? All right so with Rucker, I was thinking about this. With Rucker Hower obviously Nolan admires Blade Runner. Yes.

[00:19:05] Right that has to be part of the reason he wants him. And like maybe Matthew Maudine, maybe it's like Full Metal Jacket. Eric Roberts it's got to be runaway trained. Like what the hell I don't know what here. Star 80. But do you think he's like a platoon fan?

[00:19:19] Like what's that's the Bairinger role apart from major league. A weird one. He's I think he's excellent in this movie.

[00:19:28] I agree with that but it's also weird that like of all the you know Nolan one thing that he does is he has these big credit blocks on his posters. He gets these big cast and he has like 10 people above the title.

[00:19:42] And of all his like reclamation projects, Bairinger is the only one to end up above the title. He does put him above the title.

[00:19:49] It does feel like leading up to this movie it was a big push of like oh is he gonna pull like a Robert Forrester and Bairinger. And then Bairinger's just kind of in this movie. I think he's good.

[00:19:57] I think he's solid but it's like his part is kind of more functional than anything else. I'd say your part is more functional. I would agree with that. Yeah I just schooled you. You did. Took you to school. Five school points. Exactly.

[00:20:10] And then he gets Kane for a little role. Just a little touch with Kane. Yeah a little yeah a little boop with Kane. Pete Possilthwaite I think his last role. No he did something after this but Possilthwaite was over pretty much at this point. He was over.

[00:20:25] We were Possilthwaite. You're right he did the town after this. Thanks. We've been Possilthwaiting for a long time. We had. And then finally I just want to acknowledge this. He's talking to Leo probably one day and they're probably just talking about Pussy. Right they're just getting some drinks.

[00:20:40] Talking Pussy. And he's like let's get one of the Posse in here. Lucas Haas. Leo's like who's not doing anything right now. And his phone without him touching it calls Lucas Haas. Can we talk about the Pussy Posse for a second? For a brief second.

[00:20:58] You're the one who opened this. I just love that Lucas Haas is in this room. I do too okay. It had to be a favor right I mean or whatever like that connection. So peak, peak Titanic, peak post-Titanic wave.

[00:21:10] The tabloids go crazy reporting on the Caprio and its Pussy Posse. Which is just a pre-Titanic. Right but now they really run the world. Well people are crazy about Leo. So this is they have dubbed their own Posse the Pussy Posse because they like having sex with women.

[00:21:26] There's a very famous and very good New York magazine article called Leo Prince of the City that I think I can't remember what year. But by Nancy Jo Sales that is like where I feel like where a lot of this legend comes from including the name.

[00:21:40] But they were a group of young gentlemen actors who enjoyed vaginal intercourse right? Hey man. And so they dubbed themselves the Pussy Posse. I hate to keep saying it this many times. No I know, I know. It was like E from entourage, Kevin Connolly.

[00:21:53] You gotta go down the whole list okay that's what I want to do okay. So the Caprio who do you have leading the Posse? The biggest movie star in the world right? The modern-day Valentino of the 90s right? Sure, sure. And then who's he rolling with?

[00:22:05] This guy could open any door in town. He could be his buds though. It's like his buds who were like auditioning for Critters 3 with him. Right, exactly. That's the key to this is they were all child actors. Yeah okay so Lucas Haas we mentioned him already. Right.

[00:22:19] He's the kid in witness. Mars attacks. Sure. The Donut Store employee. Yeah he's funny in that. He's really good in that. He's been around right? Yes. Harmony Corrine. Sure. He's a major member of the Pussy Posse. Director of Gummo one of your favorite movies. Street Magician David Blaine.

[00:22:34] David Blaine doing street magic. Who hadn't gotten a special yet? But Leo, because Leo helped push him out there. Because I rewatched David Blaine's first special recently. We were doing the Pussy Posse right now. We have to.

[00:22:45] I rewatched David Blaine's first special recently and there are six different points where they cut to Leonardo DiCaprio in a room doing a talking head explaining why David Blaine's a good magician. I remember that special really well. Let's say something. It's a good special. It's a good special.

[00:22:59] Dave Blaine. Why were you rewatching that special? When I can't sleep, I watch magic videos on YouTube. I told you this in a prestige episode. I talked about that. I watched Ricky J and I've watched all the Ricky J too many times and I've been watching David

[00:23:10] Blaine's specials. Good for Blaine. You got, well Toby McGuire. Of course. Blaine on alcohol. Sure. Toby. Right. Presbyter Man Toby McGuire. He'd been like the ice storm. What else have you been? He was Rulan Ciderhouse's left and right. And then Jay Ferguson.

[00:23:28] I really just want to shout out Jay R. Ferguson who I know is Stan and Mad Men. Stan Rizzo and Mad Men. But at that moment was the least successful of all. He had been in some shit. As a kid but he wasn't like.

[00:23:38] He was in like evening shade. Right. You got E from entourage, Kevin Connolly. Right. The tallest man in business, show business. So handsome and hot. Remember in entourage when he's a sex machine? Yes. E. What's happening with the Murphy group right now do you think?

[00:23:54] Sorry I could just do E jokes all day. Midnight raid. Yeah. And there's a bunch of others who you barely have heard of like Josh Miller. Ethan Supley. Sure. Is there adjunct members though? Sure. Justin Hurwick. Okay. But I like.

[00:24:08] And Sarah Gilbert who is like the Shirley McClain in the rat pack of the pussy posse. Right. Who is gay or bi, I can't remember. She's a gay woman. So I think she was like their gal chum and similar child star of the early 90s. Right. Yeah.

[00:24:29] And Leo doesn't hand out roles to his posse. Like it does feel like there's a separation of church and posse in how Leo conducts his business. It's true. It's not like right you see Shutter Island and there's J.R. Ferguson being like I'm crazy.

[00:24:42] Because even like McGuire is the other guy who gets really big and they don't really do a collaboration together until. They just do Don's. Great Gatsby. But what about Don's plum which is buried. But that's the point.

[00:24:51] Don's plum was like the pussy posse movie and they were like bury this shit. I've never seen it but isn't it just them talking about pussy? It's on Fimeo. Yeah. And it was apparently mostly improvised which is why they had to bury it because it was

[00:25:02] like oh this is stuff they actually thought like they weren't just reading dialogue. Anyway. So it's particularly strange that Lucas Haas is in this because it's not like Haas is his hector Elizondo. No one just loved the pussy posse. He did.

[00:25:18] He just loved it and wanted to pay homage exactly. He goes I like him a little bit as an actor. I like him a lot as a stick man. He's a legendary stick man. All right. So great. We've lost all our subscribers. Great. Perfect.

[00:25:33] But we gained new ones. I'm just pointing towards the window but there's nothing there. And E for Montarach is hanging by the window. The Murphy group. Yeah. I'm excited that this podcast is now part of the Murphy groups network. Yeah. We have shifted over to the MGPC.

[00:25:49] I guess we could announce that. Yeah. Murphy Group podcast company. Uh huh. So yeah. Inception. Inception. So he makes inception and comes out and people like it. Yeah. Okay. Well good. Good up. Wait a second. Then what's that? Is there a leak in the ceiling?

[00:26:11] I feel like it's just rubble. Oh my God. What's going on here in the studio? Ah. Ben, what's going on? This is great so far. I mean, what's happening? I feel like the podcast is collapsing. Oh my God. Is the room falling apart? Oh my God.

[00:26:33] Have we just started talking about the movie? Yeah. No. How are we going to? Wait, are you guys telling me that the room's falling apart? The podcast is collapsing. Oh God. We have to go deeper? We got to go deeper.

[00:26:45] Can we go into a podcast in a podcast? Yeah, I guess we're going to. Okay, let's plug in guys. Ben, don't be too shaken up. We can do this. Thank God I brought my dream suitcase. Okay, here we go. Great suitcase. David? All right.

[00:27:00] And how do I just instantly fall asleep? You just put the thing on your arm? Yeah. I never really figured it out. Great. Cool, cool, cool. Just count sheet. You mustn't be afraid to podcast a little bigger, darling. Oh good. There you go. That was a great line.

[00:27:19] Hi, I'm Griffin Newman. Oh great. David Sims. Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David. This is a mini series called The Pod Nightcast. And today we're talking about the movie Inception. Okay, so the movie starts.

[00:27:29] It starts, well it starts with Leo Nardo, DiCaprio washing up on a beach. Yeah. Right? That's the first thing. Yeah. Oh I should just apologize in advance if we have some sound problems. We are recording from the back of a van right now.

[00:27:43] So I'm going to take a sharp turn guys. Hold on. It's fine. It took also time as dilated, so this should sound very slow to everybody. Listen at times three speed. One episode for us in the real world would be five episodes right now.

[00:27:56] Do you think it was talking about the pussy posse that collapsed at the previous point? I think it was too hot. I think it was too hot. I think it was too hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, yeah. And we got some details wrong.

[00:28:06] It was like how the rug is made of polyester or whatever. Yeah, Jay Ferguson was never part of the group. No he was out. God damn it. I'm trying to instill doubt in you. All right. Oh yeah, so just apologize in advance if there are any sound issues.

[00:28:18] We're in the back of a van with taking a lot of sharp turns and also it's raining very hard. Yeah and worse. Oh I think we got a tail too. Uh oh. Gunshots. I'm gonna take care of this. Great, all right. I'm on it.

[00:28:28] Okay, so Leo looks like shit. He looks like he just got back from a night with the pussy posse. It's actually good. I remember seeing this in theaters and this is the movie that in my opinion begins the Nolan's movies. I can't hear what anyone's saying. Yes. Complaint.

[00:28:43] Yes. And seeing this and it's Leo is dragged before Ken Watanabe and absurd old age makeup. Which I love. I think it was so good. Awesome. You're such a good balance of like just owning the surreal. Yeah.

[00:28:56] Like just making it look like a cartoonish old man but with a lot of detail. Leo's eating rice like his life depends on it. And he's doing the way people eat when they're desperate in a movie. Right. Where they hold the spoon with their whole fist. Right.

[00:29:11] Like that's gonna somehow get the food to them faster. Right and they essentially have to turn their entire hand upside down, twist their arms against the on the spoon. When you're most tired, you have to hold the spoon in the most counterproductive way. What this means is nothing.

[00:29:29] But so what's happening is Leo's young but he looks like she can't watch an abbey looks great but old exactly. Can't want nobody is talking about God knows what and it you the music's going and you're just like what the fuck. Brom's are loud.

[00:29:45] It's I'm actually much is this just like punching you in the face. Essentially saying what you know the sort of you remind me of a man you know half remember dream all that's it right. Right and Cobb is looking up just like his mind is gone. Sure.

[00:30:03] Then you cut to same place but everyone looks hot now really cobs in his suit looks like Nolan Saito who is Ken Watson abbey characters he's in is a I don't know fancy dress yeah can't even remember. Yeah and and Joseph Gordon Leavitt is there. Yes yes.

[00:30:22] Just Gordon Leavitt Arthur who has too much posture in this movie. He's posturing all right. He's very like he's it's the straightest anyone has ever stood for an entire it's true he looks yeah it's true he looks like a collection of right angles

[00:30:36] he really does he's and he's even the way he's moving throughout the entire movie he's very he's very eager to please in this film. Like he's he's doing he's writing this weird line of like intended for James Franco and he was initially cast in oh interesting.

[00:30:53] I don't think Franco would have done this well. I agree he probably just would have done something different right I mean yeah. I think it just Gordon Leavitt's performance in this film is very strange

[00:31:03] because I don't always like him good but I think it always helps the movie. He he's he's it's true he's weird he's basically like a computer mouse he's sort of like the thing that does all the stuff that needs to be done

[00:31:16] weird overly clipped like he's almost doing an agent Smith kind of thing his posture is too good David's doing a really good JGL face right now. I wish I was the skinniest JGL but apart from that but

[00:31:27] he doesn't have much of a personality and when he does he's mostly just sort of complaining right and when he kisses Ellen Page which in another movie would be like a moment people maybe had been like thinking about sure you're like that was the least romantic kiss

[00:31:44] 100% in the history of kissing but I think what kind of works and I you wonder how much of this was intentional on his part. He has so much exposition he is trying so hard to fit into this Nolan thing

[00:31:56] you know with his voice and his posture and I explaining how things work you need a kick no one else knows the exact weight of this loaded die it does feel like he's a guy who's trying so hard to beat the Caprio

[00:32:09] in the movie sure when Caprio just kind of has it like naturally a little enforced you know right which works for the character and he puts a lot of spin on all of the exposition he has to deliver but

[00:32:21] he's in the room and immediately he's like come on we got to walk this way you know he's like sure just leading him around he's the producer I mean everyone says this movie sort of tracks to this is Nolan using the basic

[00:32:31] functions and positions of filmmaking yeah no I mean I know the theory he's the producer he's a little too slick producer keeps things moving keeps things on time as the director I assume tortured losing his mind tortured losing his mind well separated from his family for

[00:32:49] indefinite periods of time right seemingly at the whims of forces he doesn't totally control right and and look at that of you know certain clear vision notions but needs people to help realize that vision and Saito is like the studio he's like the financer he's the guy

[00:33:06] you got to make these negotiations with to figure out how to execute revision but in my opinion the movie is more of a film about his connection or like you know it whatever I really his connection with Saito is is what I love about the movie most interesting

[00:33:21] smiling at me and I think that the beginning of the movie you know being about the two of them yeah is obviously hugely intentional interesting like you know there's it's not like Nolan was like what it be a

[00:33:35] great teaser for my movie like in the dark night I had a cool bank robbery with clowns I know fucked up Leo talks to old man can eat rice like that really that'll really get everyone hooked I assume we got to dig in

[00:33:49] a little deeper before you can sort of fully outlay this thing but I'm curious to hear this take really you've never heard me talk about this well what's an obey to me is so good in this movie he'd be an

[00:33:58] Oscar nominee for me I think he's very good in this one he would have gotten a griffy but I think he's very good yeah and well we can talk about it but you know like the crucial decision that Cobb makes

[00:34:08] in my opinion is rescuing Saito which he doesn't he does have to do to I suppose you know get his daughter back or get his kids back I just want my kids back yeah sorry it's one of my favorite

[00:34:23] rest development jokes ever but we'll talk about it okay let's you know we're right at the start so they're walking around this beautiful party who's kind of cool they're in his dream palace I told his dream palace

[00:34:36] right and then very quickly it's cutting to them sleeping in like an apartment in an apartment while there's like a war raging outside there's like my approach to political uprising and people with torches and they're in this dirty apartment and Leo is sitting

[00:34:52] above a bathtub right filled with water yes Saito's in like a chair so this movie gives us Arthur's asleep right yeah Lucas Haas is there just yeah I don't know think about pussy I will say every time you say Arthur throws me off because I've gone through five

[00:35:09] months of people almost exclusively referring to me as Arthur someone's on a TV show I'm not bragging no sure people forget my name and they go Arthur bring you over here for a second for lighting yeah so I'm gonna keep having a couple of responses every

[00:35:22] time you say I mean I can call him JGL you can call whatever you want it's fine I'll get over it I need to learn to establish my own identity you should call him for breakfast after we fuck keep whatever JGL feels like someone who's an early riser

[00:35:36] right who doesn't sleep on the dot yeah he sleeps four hours and hey good morning I made you pancakes God yeah and they're like the pant the blueberries are too crisply arranged in each pancake how do you do it there is something weirdly like morning

[00:35:49] like talk radio about him like hey I'm JGL at 6.15 in the morning it's why some Fleetwood Mac it's why he hasn't succeeded as a star he's a weird guy to put in the lead of your movie because

[00:36:01] you know we all put him in the lead of movies because he was this exciting supporting character in so many movies and he plays a dirtbag well like he played a lot of good dirtbag well he had that breakthrough year where it was mysterious

[00:36:11] skin and brick and both premiered a con the same art Sundance the same year okay and then they came out to yours apart but it's like two amazing leading turns from the kid from third rock from the side and and and I disappeared for a while

[00:36:24] things I hate about you yeah and angels in the outfield and suddenly it's like oh he's this weird kind of broken character actor he's very cute yeah but those two movies he's very nice in the outfield really cute in that

[00:36:35] also very cute and treasure planet and don't but those two movies he's very kind of withdrawn elusive tortured and then he like you know everyone's like ooh this might be the next big guy and then immediately 500 days of summer right then he kind of rebrands himself as this

[00:36:52] very like poppy up together dude and clearly like is gunning to be like a major leading man agree and has given a weird collection of performances since then you so I like a lot I think his best starring role

[00:37:06] is premium road he's great in premium rush I like him in looper I do too such a weird thing that he's doing a Bruce Willis impression obviously I love Don John oh I'm kidding Don John I think is where he starts

[00:37:21] to lose us in general because you're like oh this is the movie you wanted to make I do think that movie is kind of well directed movie yeah I okay like I saw him was like I'd like to see direct other

[00:37:31] things yeah I'm gonna stop he was trying to get an invitation to the posse he would have been in the posse you know time shifts around maybe I don't know anyway like he probably would have had his own posse with

[00:37:43] like Jonathan Taylor Thomas the 90s like sitcom boys right you know Zachary type Bryant so they're trying to steal I'm with you but they're trying to steal Saito's dream information right and it all goes wrong because Mal shows up Mary on Coteard the shade

[00:38:02] and she we don't know that she's a dead ghost lady yet we just think she's like maybe a rival right and within the filmmaking metaphor she's a critic it kind of falls apart when you break her into it

[00:38:14] within she's like a muse I guess so but I would say like she's more like the story like or what like the narrative trope you just can't shake right like where it's like another dead wife Nolan like right like because it is kind of like

[00:38:30] showing up and they're like you wrote this in again this within the filmmaking metaphor the dead wife character represents no it's wrong right yeah she's it is it is insane when this he sets it up because she's talking to him about their kids right like they have this

[00:38:50] dialogue that suggests a relationship you know she's dead at that point but then he ties her up in a hotel room it's weird because you can't tell if they're meeting for the first time it almost was a seduction scene is this a mr. and mr. smith situation

[00:39:01] this movie is throwing a lot of like purposefully disconnected elements at you and in three different temporality yeah well also right this is the first movie where he's really playing with time yes in ways that he keeps doing with other movies yes especially it's in Dunkirk but also

[00:39:18] interstellar yeah and so she disrupts the dream they try and like then it's like rid alert rid alert yeah right right here right and then he gets tortured by mall yeah actually yeah you know she shoots him in the leg and she's

[00:39:36] explaining like you can feel pain if you die you wake up like we're getting like some basic rules of the dream yeah and then they they in the out in the hotel or in the room still sleep he's still sleeping but Lucas Haas like Arthur

[00:39:51] wakes up because yeah okay and Lucas Haas is like give him the kick are you know yeah and so they dunk him in the water and you got the water so much in the bath and then it leaks into the love it

[00:40:01] as a great image I mean right like that's yeah so I feel like this movie came under a lot of criticism for its dreamlike imagery being very no lini yeah very big buildings yes large tactile set pieces that he wants to create in

[00:40:18] camera like rather than use CGI right and the surrealism is either those structures like Escher rating right yeah or other clinical man-made creations interrupting you know like a train and a street like it's yes you don't have bing bong in our movie Tom

[00:40:40] Barringer is the bing bong of this movie yeah no teeth you know yeah but right it's not lynch Ian at all or whatever you know like and people are like I can't believe this guy's conception of surrealism and dream logic is essentially like complicated

[00:40:58] Christopher Nolan set pieces right take weeks to execute and take place in cities now what is your response to this because I have my response what's your response my response is I think dreams are a means to an end for what this movie is actually interested in which

[00:41:15] is the unconscious sure sure you know yeah I get dreams are literally the way for them to get into it and I think it's a pretty good depiction of how the unconscious works I but I actually when I remember when I was watching this

[00:41:29] movie I was so thrilled because it felt like dreams that I have all the time but yeah my dream logic is basically it's like I way I'm like in a place I don't know how I got there which I love that he uses that trope sure to start

[00:41:42] every dream and I have to do something kind of ordinary like I have to accomplish some sort of task uh-huh and then I'm just sort of way late in various ways usually ordinary ones and frustrating ones you know what I mean like there's nothing like that the

[00:41:58] surrealism is slight okay because my day very visually surreal right later when I think about my dreams I'm like oh how did I get from this place to that place that makes no sense sure I think that logic stuff in the movie is

[00:42:10] very dream like the way it tells the stories I don't use a structure I don't have like dreams that involve surreal things or okay like monsters or anything like that my dreams are like David like if you just deposit this check then you'll have money in

[00:42:24] your bank account and do enough drugs David I know and then and then like I spend what seems like eons trying to deposit the fucking sure I keep getting waylaid by other things sure like Synecdoche New York is my dream movie like that's the way that reflects the

[00:42:36] way I dream I mean I love that movie too that's also why I don't sleep well yeah because every time I close my eyes it's that uncomfortable did I I didn't tell you this I humble reg was on a plane recently whoa I was you

[00:42:50] with Cytos I was like the airplane he bought the airplane he bought the airline I had to do my favor I mowed his lawn he let me get a seat seemed neater I can't remember cleaner I can't remember I was flying back from London

[00:43:03] which you should go to David's a really nice town you would love it oh great city great city great city foggy London town but I was very sleep deprived and fucked up by the time zone changes that I've been going through traveling a lot right and fell

[00:43:20] asleep on the plane and had a dream that I woke up and they were making announcement that the pilot had to do a sully type hero landing race for look base for impact did they say sully type hero no but I was like oh shit

[00:43:33] this is like sully but we weren't gonna land in the Hudson it wasn't gonna be miracle in the Hudson we were gonna try to land on the Golden Gate Bridge great that was the runway they thought and I'm looking out my window first class

[00:43:45] humble brag so I'm near the nose of the plane never been in first class that is humble brag was chill baby sure and I'm looking out the window and we're like skidding on the Golden Gate Bridge and debris is flying off from the bridge

[00:43:59] and the plane and like smoke is conception and I'm like crying and I'm like I'm gonna die I'm gonna die I'm gonna die and then I wake up and I was like oh fuck that was terrifying like I don't have you know you

[00:44:09] wake up on the plane I wake up on the plane and I was like now I'm really freaked out I usually don't have plane anxiety now I'm stressed out about this plane yeah and then the pilot goes we are experiencing some slight turbulence and I was like fuck

[00:44:22] this and the plane starts shaking and then we start dipping into the Golden Gate Bridge dream within a dream oh my god I had two consecutive dreams I've had that happen to me too well that's very allowed and then I woke up on

[00:44:35] the third dream and I was like fuck this get me off this plane so you tried to leave and they were like we have five hours and 45 minutes left on this flight you've been asleep for five minutes and I just heard that you're going to Australia soon

[00:44:45] yeah it's gonna be great uh-huh that's the little that's the flight that they do in inception Sydney to Los Angeles right the longest flight you can do brah-brah baby okay I just want to say my dream movie is enter the void you

[00:44:59] love that movie I do but I also I that's how you dream I've really disturbing dreams your dreams have done too much well you have done too many drugs oh for sure you are anxious yes yeah no my my shit is my

[00:45:15] shit is like screaming and colors and people melting puzzle of hair it's always in them yeah it's but I think this raises a good point which is like when people complain about like well so I imagine with his dreams it's like maybe there's a Christopher Nolan dreams like

[00:45:30] dreams are personal like you can't go like this is the correct way to depict dreams I agree and that's why I always thought they were silly right and Christopher Nolan dreams this way of you see this way or by this way and he

[00:45:43] eats this way can't wait to fuck him I can't wait all right so it's a dream within a dream yes they wake him up Saito wakes up and he's like I guy rumbled you guys but because Leo's trying to like get to a safe in the

[00:45:57] house he gets the info but it's already being blacked out and so he doesn't work and the water crashes through and wakes him up and Saito is like well I thought you guys were good this was a good one for you guys essentially

[00:46:09] you thought you were conning me but I'm conning you and not impressed I figured it out and then he realizes he gets pushed on the carpet that the carpet is wrong that's in his house it's in like one of his little apartments it's his

[00:46:21] loveless where he goes with his little side piece exactly who's an important and well-drawn character in the film really good she's dead and he realizes oh this carpet's wrong I'm in a dream within a I always hated this carpet I always hated

[00:46:37] this carpet right yeah now I'm impressed and I'm seeing Lucas Haas on a train right and we're on a train a bullet train yes kid reading a manga kids reading a fucking manga next to them bring some shonen jump wakes him up yeah and they

[00:46:53] all leave while Saito still sleep I guess right and when cops like well that didn't work and they're mad at Lucas Haas because he has a scarred smile like very tricky sis yes her sneak so fucked up my connect for reference great and then so but then

[00:47:11] Leo's in the hotel in Tokyo yes he's spinning his top can't stop spinning that top and he's pointing a gun at his head and he's making a phone call a lot of business and he's making a phone call to his kids who talked to him for

[00:47:23] like a second and then like they're taking off the phone feels like an audition for drama school making a phone call with a top and a gun and then the top the motivating force the gun the top falls he puts the gun down

[00:47:34] right he completes the phone call right and Arthur's there and he's like Leo's like I gotta go to like Buenos Aires or whatever I don't know you know and instead they are caned right and instead they are captured by Saito right

[00:47:49] or Lucas Haas who's got Lucas Haas and he says I offer you the satisfaction because you really thought Lucas Haas was going to be a principal character in this film you also the trailer where he's being carried off right and then they carry him off as a

[00:48:02] family or refuses to kill him based on the trailer when they carry him off yeah the trailer look no one had dreamed of this trailer his whole life and he saw the pussy but whatever he's too many times I can't believe you're the one who keeps saying this

[00:48:17] this is such a griffin to do something about the word pussy when you put it next to posse that makes it sort of blunts it in some weird way for me but yeah cut it all out then let's start again now put it back in

[00:48:30] double it oh gosh shit guys that's gone oh no oh that was a really hard turn yeah we all know I but we have to I think we have to go deeper the podcast is collapsing yeah yeah that is that what's happening yes David the podcast is collapsing

[00:48:48] the whole ever the van is falling because they need more time isn't that why they go deeper in the movie David the van is falling apart alright we'll take us do you get the bands falling apart sure she locked away a secret deep inside herself something

[00:49:09] she wants new to be true what shows to podcast hi everybody my name is griffin Newman David sim so this blank check for griffin David me as dark night cast talk about for sure no one has been able to take days we're recording

[00:49:23] inside a hotel now so hopefully everything will be right we're in a nice hotel room we rented a hotel room inside Ben's dream sometimes it tilts though sometimes it's all I think that's minor I can't foresee that being a major problem worried about that so

[00:49:36] Saito says I got a job for you guys inception you guys usually do extraction right what about instruction also known as inception can you plant an idea and Arthur's like no way bro can't be done impossible think of an idea I try

[00:49:52] to just let me knew you know I suggested it it's never original don't think of elephants what do you think of elephants elephants yeah cobs like no I can I can do it it's been done I've done it no it's tricky but it's true Arthur

[00:50:07] instead of being like hey explain to me what you're talking about it's that you've done it the thing that I know to be impossible I an expert in the field of dream thieving a dream producer right producer Ben of dreams instead of that

[00:50:20] they never discussed this again no he just says it can be done and the reason Leo wants to do it is that Saito can offer him for you know freedom essentially claims he can offer him like he's got to America get back to America

[00:50:34] get back to your kids get back to your kids so the kids are with Mary and Kutyaar's mother is that the implication yeah and Michael Kaine is Mary and Kutyaar's father yeah and he's not in the same country as them he like

[00:50:47] teaches in Paris right where he met Leo because Leo and Mary on were students there commutes they were architecture students from America to Paris to teach or he only lives in James yeah okay whatever you know what can I tell you

[00:51:02] but Leo's like he just comes to pair I don't fucking know right like yeah good good good question yeah I don't know you're busted yeah yeah no Lynn your whole movie just fucking crumble he the cap is like cool we're gonna need a team sure

[00:51:20] and the idea is you got to get the air to a company to split up his father's assets when his father dies right the father's right also wait right his side toes big right and everyone's possible waiting for him to die he's he's on his deathbed the son

[00:51:39] is Killian Murphy who plays Robert such a beautiful man he is excellent in this movie so good really my Kim wants not ban this film but we both agree who the best performance in this movie is given by I think there's an obvious answer Tom Hardy Hans Zimmer

[00:51:56] but like I'm not even really joking so Hans Zimmer constructs a fabulous score for this movie yeah it's the first time that he's working with Nolan solo the other he'd made the two Batman scores with him and then Julian did the other

[00:52:10] couple yeah yeah but this is the first time that he and Nolan are really building a score from the ground up and Hans Zimmer has this idea of love Enrose is it love Enrose or no it's yeah love Enrose no no it's non

[00:52:22] the Edith P.F. song yeah which is their kick like alert right and which slowed down sounds like he slows it down because of the beginning it's like done done yeah and that's super cool and he builds the score around it's such a

[00:52:39] great score it's really great now I there were a lot of moments I was watching at this time where this movie is incredibly silly it is a remarkably silly film that's the thing about this movie is the stakes are so high

[00:52:51] but of course the worst thing that could happen to them is they will wake up right and obviously there's the concept of limbo scrambling your brains and all that like but like there's a moment late in the movie where Leo's like well

[00:53:03] that's it fuck it we're done and Tom Hardy's like well I mean it's not my kids I don't have to see but I really did want to know if it was gonna work like that's all the stakes for him but it also it feels

[00:53:12] they can always just wake up it feels like a really really dorky dense 2000 page sci-fi novel that some kid in your history class recommends and they tell you the idea and they're like that idea is cool but this is way too dense to

[00:53:24] read because half of this book is just gonna be explaining the rules of the universe my friend Alex Chris who is a longtime fan of the podcast once said his opinion to me that isn't a pity receptionist like it's like a script written by a 12 year old

[00:53:36] directed by like a master you know like that's like how he felt about that's what it feels like like it feels like something that a kid would doodle in a notebook and then now the amount of rules I mean especially all the

[00:53:48] rules you're like I'm on board I get it you know like the things like the kick or whatever the movie 60% true leather but then when Leo is like he'll go into limbo what's limbo unconstructed dream space you're like come on the fuck is that

[00:54:01] unconstructed dream space which I'll say this is a very divisive movie I like this movie I do too and I think a lot of people just go like fuck this this movie so sweaty it's so silly it's so sloppy it has to cut so many corners in

[00:54:14] order to not completely like self destruct sure but I think it's like that's you gotta go with it like those are the faustian bargains of like the premise for this movie is so bizarre and his goal which is essentially to

[00:54:27] get to the last hour of the film which is where it's just a symphony it's just like right he's able to just cut between all these things with very little explanation and suddenly shots of people sleeping in a car feel like the most

[00:54:39] exciting thing right like that's the deal he has to make like you have to sign up I agree I just feel like for a lot of people they saw the movie the first time and liked it but then rewatch it we're

[00:54:50] like shit this movie is an hour of an instruction manual and then sure it gets to more exciting stuff but like it's boring to rewatch this movie is incredibly clunky like you cannot argue it isn't clunky unconstructed dream space and it's weird because

[00:55:02] everyone talks about Nolan but being very tight and very controlled and very precise but he knows the only way he can get to the state he wants to get to is to be clunky and an elegant with a lot of it you know like either either

[00:55:15] he doesn't explain as much and the movie doesn't really make sense and when you get to the sequences at the end they're less visceral and exciting because you're still trying to figure out what the fuck is going on or essentially you have to devote several

[00:55:28] reels to like drawing a map you know for the audience and having seven different characters take turns delivering exposition so let's talk about the team he builds yeah add some new members he goes to Michael Cain and he's like your best student and he's like I

[00:55:43] need your best student because I can't be an architect anymore for reasons I'll explain 20 minutes from now yeah so I need new architect and Cain's like okay wait stop here red flag what's up bro if you're shaky enough that you can't be an architect maybe you shouldn't be

[00:55:57] doing this period maybe you should get some fucking R&R no I need to see my kids chill the shop shut up shut up Michael I don't care I got this kid Juneau he's like fine alright so yeah Juneau she was just delightful all I

[00:56:12] need is you right her ego is her ego is prego on a good campion did god fucking rain Wilson honest to blog this is the best one he meets with Ellen Page he finds her in the penny saver Juneau references who knew we needed them but

[00:56:31] we do and she draws a maze for him of sufficient complexity that he decides to essentially drug her against her will and take her into a dream state no I mean I think she's very well cast in this movie yeah because I wish she would

[00:56:45] return to the Nolan stable I want to see her in another movie that's weirdly one of his few female I mean she's similar to swank yeah insomnia the kind of like do I'd go get her you know who is flinty underneath you

[00:56:59] know like his more steely than she might initially present well what I like about her is I think she's exclusively playing steely I think she's a very strong minded young woman but Ellen Page is innately very vulnerable in how she plays on screen

[00:57:14] because she looks like she's a cartoon baby she's little right right she looks like like a cartoon fawn or something yeah she's the writer yes she's a director is like oh fuck I can't you need to write the script I need to outsource this and she keeps presenting

[00:57:29] the script he's like no my ex-wife should be in it she's like this looks good I put my ex-wife everyone she's like why'd you do that he's like I don't know she's she has to be in the movie it's important to me never forget myself and she keeps

[00:57:47] being like explain to me why it is you're good at what you do like I just am shut up they need to find a forager was essentially professional liar also and I'm going to find a good actor he's wonderful in this movie and so good

[00:58:03] this I really think he it's audacious the whole thing like the way they dress him yeah the way he plays it I mean Tom Hardy is a terrific actor one of my favorites he really you really when you're doing a Nolan podcast you really

[00:58:17] remember how much you love Tom Hardy I can't wait for you to see Dunkirk man I can't wait I'm seeing it right after you record this today but here's why I love that every time Ben has to note it so funny so three three

[00:58:30] Tom Hardy Nolan movies right yeah Tom Hardy I would argue has the best mouth in show business sure he's hidden it from us in two out of three two out of three he's got great lips oh my god but I love the way he's dressed

[00:58:44] Christ those lips Tom Hardy such a big guy yes he's just a big guy like even though it like as Bain he's huge like he built up for that role right he's shoulder he's got certain dimensions you would think Joseph Gordon Leavitt

[00:58:57] would be the actor type in this movie because he's got the physical type of an actor right and Tom Hardy supposed to play a man who then like can be like an attractive blonde who can be Tom Berenger right you know like and

[00:59:09] because Joseph Gordon Leavitt is built like a ballerina right and Tom Hardy is like a linebacker and he's in this funny suit with the high the wide collar and like the you know you know you know it feels like how that

[00:59:21] type of actor would dress like he dresses like John Malkovich in this movie you know have you seen John Malkovich's suitline you know John Malkovich has a line of suits they all look like what fucking Hardy's wearing in this movie and he's got he's doing a really

[00:59:35] interesting just got this like touch of I mean he's like an actor he's like a British lovey I mean it's the best way to put it right and he's doing a little bit of an affected brando thing with like mumbling certain words

[00:59:47] making eye contact and looking down and throwing away lines and all that kind of stuff he's also kind of flirty with everybody very flirty very sexual charisma based fanfic about him and Arthur that is a big deal on the internet we're gonna read

[01:00:01] some later yeah you didn't know about that no well three or four levels from now we'll Arthur Arthur Eames shipping is something very common in the in the world of fans I believe do you realize how much highly erratic fanfiction is about to be written about me

[01:00:17] can't wait I'm gonna see this they just gonna want your little shrimpy like it's not subtextual it's like textual I keep on saying this show is like a romantic comedy minus any physical payoff do you have a love interest like or a potential love interest

[01:00:31] it's my favorite part of the season I can't reveal it but I have I have an admirer on the show which I think is the funniest element of the entire season fantastic but God fucking hardy hardy's great do we have he has he's every once in this movie

[01:00:51] is doing such a clinical technical thing and he's just thrown it off a hump a little bit you know and he's shown you what an actor can do so he comes in and he rules and then you've got Dili Prowl as Yusuf who's like a chemist

[01:01:05] the special effects supervisor yeah technical right yeah right right nobody's supposed to be because basically it was like I need some complicated shit dream within a dream yeah but your ears need to be unbalanced so we can kick you out of it and he's like yeah

[01:01:19] I got just the thing I live in a vintage G what did I mean I'm in Morocco no he's in Mombasa come to my basement these people are free basing dreams he's like a first aid maybe but also if a first aid he was like hey

[01:01:35] this is my house in the basement people are living out a movie nonstop right he puts people to sleep right no longer kind of can sleep because they are too deep and the idea is this dream tech was invented by the military and now it's like proliferated

[01:01:51] and I love that the movie spent so much time explaining how the tech works and offer six words explaining why it exists that's why the military created it so you could do military stuff in a dream in your dreams and get the hands on experience yeah it's like

[01:02:03] great people learn how to have such as you could practice killing people I guess I mean look there's some weird logic to it but it's great that they just don't do the more they try to explain how it works you know you know what I'm realizing though

[01:02:15] as much as it all is complicated we're barreling through the plot because there's not it's just like Sido recruits them they recruit the team the team thinks of what to do they execute the plan yeah it is very I'd like it to heist movie there's a superficial quality

[01:02:31] to it all yes like there's this scene where Leo you know recruits Ellen Page where he takes her into the dream I like I said I really do love the idea where it just they cut to the middle of it that's like that's how this always works

[01:02:43] really good cinematic dream depiction yeah is now we're just jumping locations and the ever question how we got here is like I think this movie is doing interesting stuff and people say the dreams aren't surreal enough visually or whatever but I think what he's

[01:02:57] more interested in is that which is finding the ways in which dreams mirror film and how films really are like a way for us to physicalize dreams great and that's sort of logic and storytelling and emotional involvement whatever then she bends

[01:03:13] Paris onto it right so he likes finding those tricks for how you can play with the structure to replicate how a dream feels and how shit like the P turns into the rain and all that kind of stuff and then he throws you the couple things

[01:03:27] like Paris fold on itself like a quesadilla sure like a quesadilla but even a Paris case of the life is very mathematical it like folds at a right angle yes because he wants to make this look you know he likes things to look real yes

[01:03:41] there's the moment I like where you see like oh this kid's good when she's drawing too much attention or so he's given her all the things you can't bring in details what you know a street lamp but not an entire city block they're coming after you my subconscious

[01:03:53] doesn't trust you and then she like makes the two mirrors and they face each other and essentially a reset yeah and he's like yes she's good she's good then Mal stabs her and she's like fuck this you're crazy yeah which is essentially the meeting

[01:04:09] where she pitches the script to the director the director is like yes it's great my ex-wife is in it okay and she's like no but then she comes back because she's like you know you do have the you know I do want to do this right

[01:04:21] and she of course loves it so yeah so she's making dreams for him she's the entire time like many screenwriters hoping that even though the director is blocking a lot of her best ideas I'm gonna be able to push it through

[01:04:31] exactly it'll work out in the day we're both gonna end up making the movie one and instead he like drives a train through her first thing she's like what he's like the train comes through

[01:04:41] here and she's like that doesn't make any sense of the logic of the story yeah but yeah I just bought a train train that will take you gotta do that one in the next level it is like she has to work all his weird

[01:04:53] like fetishes and piccadillos into the movie because he's just like oh look I just always had thing about trains yes my wife and I use trains to kill ourselves I told you that right the one time it was on construct jeans face so I don't know what second

[01:05:13] my water bottles floating up in the air oh my god this entire hotel room is spinning oh shit okay okay hold on to the table hold on to the table okay guys just try to stay close to the mic okay so they have a whole team together

[01:05:29] holding onto the table I'm proud of you okay this is not as easy oh David who are we talking about you gotta keep me grounded uh huh uh give me a picture of you what's going on in the movie now what's going on in the movie now

[01:05:43] David hold on grab onto the wire your headphones attached too David what's going on in the movie David oh god David ground me in the plot you're my totem David only I know how you way okay how I way I know how you way

[01:06:01] uh okay I'm grabbing you okay what's going on in the movie oh I don't remember they're explaining all the rules of the exception Ben I think the dreams collapse we got this I think we gotta go down to another podcast the podcast is collapsing we gotta go down

[01:06:15] to another podcast all right all right okay ready everyone buckle in David here's a dream plug Ben here's a dream plug all right are you gonna how do we fall asleep so quickly whatever tie us together in like a big ball later

[01:06:27] yeah we'll do that uh wait now let's let's all use our plugs to tie ourselves up I tell you don't think about podcasts now what are you thinking about podcasts hi everybody I'm Griffin Newman welcome to my channel I'm David this is podcast of the pod night

[01:06:47] it's so cold oh god it's freezing in here we're talking about the movie in caption right yeah okay let me just let me put grip tape all over why don't we move why don't we move further into the move plot because in the podcast we're a lot

[01:07:05] I'm sorry yes it's just really cold here so during the planning phase this is when we're getting a lot of leo's cobs back store because every night after he's like good meeting guys good great job movies on track two weeks away from starting principle photography

[01:07:21] yeah because they just had a whole debate where they're like how do we get him to you know dislike this have this idea right and it's like he can't do it because he hates his father because that doesn't work as well as like an idea

[01:07:33] that's positive right like they're sort of they're like they're having all that's the story meetings right yeah they're trying to crack story story on this yeah um but yeah but then and you're not really seeing killian murphy in this trunk you see little them like doing

[01:07:47] some research on the deal is no killing murphy he's not really in it the basic crux is his father was a very successful businessman the son was always viewed as a disappointment the father wasn't very emotionally available the mother died young and he feels like his father

[01:08:01] was disappointed in him for not being more like their idea is essentially don't break up the company is a fuck you to your dad break up the company because you need to do your own make it a point of empowerment

[01:08:13] wants you to do your own which is the thing I really like about this movie that's the one movie where the mark in the con is they're actually doing something kind to him right yeah like it benefits them but it also benefits him I agree I agree

[01:08:27] kind of a nice con it's a nice con we're gonna con you and make a bunch of money make a huge realization about your father's emotions come to terms with the sins of the father swear to me fuck alright alright so but Ellen Page is also peeping

[01:08:47] Leo's sleeping she's pulling a little bit of a bend and every night he's like good meeting guys I'm just gonna go back to my officer minute you can all at least yeah and Dealey brows like here drink this and then Ellen Page hangs around

[01:08:59] and she's like ways that you're doing some fucked up dream shit right going down in elevator all the way the bottom with your dead wife and you keep on wrestling her yeah there's this there's this elevator metaphor of in his dream world where it's

[01:09:11] like right like one floor is like their nice apartment right which is where he takes her yes maybe she comes in I can't remember the exact specifics huh and that's where his kids are and you've got this repetitive shot of the backs of his kids heads

[01:09:23] you can't see their face because he like anytime they're about to turn around he looks away or so which I think is really good I think that's very dreamlike too yes totally yes and then she sort of sneaks away and goes to

[01:09:37] the bottom level which is the hotel room where his wife killed herself and if you know you see it one time and there's that thing where she just looks at Ellen Page and the music goes like yeah but then eventually I mean

[01:09:49] what we essentially see is there in he goes into a hotel room she's in the window across from the hotel room and she she jumps she's kind of broken that's what she ended up doing right and I can't remember yet when do we learn the sort of story

[01:10:05] of mall is it once we're in dream yes right yes pretty much it's doled out in little limbo is not really explained until they're in the dream yes and the idea is I I guess I can sort of explains to Ellen

[01:10:23] page at this point I think without the full limbo thing that the major issue was they kept on experimenting with dream shit trying some new fucking dank dream shit yeah they were doing some they were going like dream into dream into dream right

[01:10:37] and they're sort of the vapors of dreamers if that makes sense sure and she she couldn't she couldn't figure out what was real and what wasn't anymore when they went into limbo yeah and they were down there for we eventually realize right their entire life right they spent

[01:10:55] 60 years there they lived an entire lifetime there and then when they came out right she was like this is the dream like we're now in a dream still a dream that was yeah that was just a dream with an injury right right and

[01:11:07] because she so convinced of this she kills herself while also having her self declared sane so that there's no way anyone could believe that she killed herself three times yeah had herself declared same three times yeah how'd she ever self declared I guess she just I don't know

[01:11:23] she stood in this three quarter and said I declare do I seem same to you and some guys like I do declare sure you seem fine great sign this notarize it it made me think of the Simpsons episode where Homer

[01:11:37] it's the one where Michael Jackson makes the like cameo on it and he gets his birthday yeah exactly and he gets like a certificate that says I am not insane yeah so I think that she got a similar thing start craving dad that sounds right actually yeah um

[01:11:53] yes but that's what it's like that's essentially what it's like and now on page is getting some of it she's getting some of this magic backstory but that's why he is haunted by his wife right and and he's lost control he can't reconcile his doubt

[01:12:09] the and I also I mean his doubt about whether or not how culpable he was in her death right and the doubt she instilled in him about his own perception of reality and she has literally he has literally taken her totem

[01:12:23] heard the thing that grounds her to reality bad move bro I know the top this is the thing he keeps explaining the rules to Ellen to to and she keeps being like why don't you do that though because you don't do anything he's essentially like pulling the classic

[01:12:39] like do as I as I say not as I do kind of thing like he's going like be better than me because I suck I'm fucking this up left and right I'm doing all the wrong things I'm basing everything from memory I'm leading to my wife's death

[01:12:55] I'm stealing her totem bro don't don't don't yeah don't be me no but he is at the same time in charge right and she gets on sort of incredulously saying like no one else knows about this

[01:13:07] like no one else picked up in the fact that you're a fucking wreck but she's not revealing it I mean this is she wants to get the movie made she wants I guess so I mean because I feel like I could she wants to get WGA like

[01:13:17] she needs that WGA card she needs the benefits so Palsal Thwait dies and they're like great we'll get where Killian Murphy we'll get him on this plane I bought the airport it seemed the airplane the airline line it seemed cleaner right

[01:13:31] because Saito at this point is not really very involved during the planning phase sure because he's just the money he's the money he's the producer and Saito's like I produce the executive the studio whatever no room for tourists on this job

[01:13:43] he doesn't care he gets to come yeah so I don't know that's like the studio head is like I want to play on set given that it's my tomorrow right yeah yeah I want to be in video village every day whatever yeah

[01:13:55] I think you want like a clean single I mean you do you you do you I just I feel like maybe you might want to once again the editing but you might want to clean single that so they're gonna get him on a plane

[01:14:07] yeah they're gonna do all the shit yeah and they're going to convince him of to break up his company by the time he lands in LA correct so here we go okay and now the movie we're like an hour and 25 minutes in yeah probably yeah it's a two

[01:14:25] hour 25 minute movie right yeah yeah I think that the heist happens maybe like an hour 10 in the hour 20 whatever anyway now now we're into rainy van a hellscape right because not to be confused with van helzing no and then he's so easy to confuse the two movies

[01:14:47] basically identical those terms van helzing and van because you said drank some champagne by he's got a P it got pp so his his dream which is the first stream is rainy right now this is the other thing there's like someone designs the dream someone dreams

[01:15:09] the dream yeah and then someone else is the subject of the dream they fill it with their secrets and they do this you know but they explain all this but it doesn't ever totally I mean it makes sense but you know what I mean like

[01:15:27] it's sometimes you're like wait who's the dreamer again right because the car dream like the rainy dream is you so right the hotel dream is Arthur yes because he's the one who's awake during it right and then the final dream is I don't even know

[01:15:43] yeah no I think that no that one I'm sorry that one they're going into killing Murphy's dream I guess the snow scape yeah because that's where they convince him to fall asleep right and then it's Leo's limbo and Leo was limbo but that's the thing with this movie

[01:15:57] limbo is on construct dreams cases well no because Saito ends up there too yeah there is no way for this movie to fully make sense and I don't mean to make like excuses for right but it's like the premise that he's presenting

[01:16:11] here to execute it the way he wants and have it work in the last hour you just have to fucking go along with it and if that's a bridge too far for you you know the great you're never gonna like this movie but you have to buy this

[01:16:21] movies fucking silly it's really dumb at times and it has massive leaps that it needs to ask you a leap of faith exactly I love I love I love them I love that's the thing I love them carbon Saito that's my ship yeah in this movie

[01:16:43] but wait so now now we're in the rainy vanscape and immediately don't you want to take a leap of faith I wanted to find the line they're being or become an old man filled with regret they're being chased dry alone they're being chased yes and

[01:16:55] the thing they do is they hardy buttonholes killing Murphy in a cab mm-hmm and they follow in another cab but then they're being chased because his subconscious has been weaponized against them and there's a train and also there's a train which is a separate issue right that that's

[01:17:13] leo's that's cobs problem yeah and so a lot of problems all going wrong really fast and so they have to go into the second dream really fast right we don't really get much out it's just the train thing right he puts them

[01:17:25] all asleep in the van the kick is going to be they'll drive off a bridge yeah right but they I think there was just supposed to be a lot more time because it's like an hour a day a week or whatever it's essentially just a big car chase

[01:17:37] and then there's that scene where they end up back at the warehouse and they're like this mission's fucked right that's where leo's yelling at Arthur Sido's been shot and they're like call it off call it off and Leo's like but we can't kill ourselves

[01:17:49] because we actually went falling to limbo oops I forgot to mention that before I got to say again uh so what's limbo it's it's on I'll get to that in like an hour so that's also where Arthur says that you got a dream a little bigger yes that's

[01:18:07] no but he says that sorry not yeah so they drop down a level that's their moment that's like the only real interaction well they have the bit where like one of them kicks the chair and then he says like thank you for the pedantic

[01:18:21] explanation off like they have a little bit of a thing where it's like you know he clearly looks at Arthur as kind of a suit and he's is like I'm this fucking full of life exactly person I'm a professional person yeah you're the you're the producer

[01:18:37] you're the stuff suit right fucking stuff suit that's how I treat producers on set kick over their chairs on the dream bigger take out grenade launch shoot them oh you fucker don't knock me out of my chair David oh okay that's a pretty thing producer right of course

[01:18:55] chair back up that's all the all from the film any good creative bullies a producer say exactly yeah we sure do bully bad so much he goes through so much it's crazy to think then that I mean you remember like we

[01:19:11] you had to tolerate us doing all those fucking star wars prequel episodes which you hated you hated those movies hated that and week after week we'd come in and just talk about like now we sometimes talk about movies you'd like and we

[01:19:23] change it every week you hate those films and we like forced you to talk about them and watch them over and over again I remember yeah it was it was awful just because we had this dumb idea that's mean anyway

[01:19:35] they go to the hotel they drip into the hotel and they drip into it right and now this is the best part of the movie right the hotel shit so fucking good to Lula Riley who's actually Tom Hardy is like flirting with Killian Murphy

[01:19:47] that's like Tom Hardy's lady role right and then and then Leo comes up he's like wait a second dude don't trust anyone else I'm the guy let me tell you what's going on the inception squint he does the meme we have to go deeper meme

[01:19:59] I think he's so good in this movie because he does such a good balance of playing someone who is able to project that he's entirely in control and that you should trust him but showing all the signs of the fact that he's cracking

[01:20:11] I forgot the other thing in the first level the first level also has the thing where Tom Hardy plays Tom Berenger and they get a code out of Killian Murphy right they do a fake kidnapping and Tom Berenger has this heart to heart with him

[01:20:23] your father you know maybe it was this he started to get more information out of him but also they get this code out of him because they're like he must have told you you're his son you wouldn't know the code

[01:20:33] and Killian's like no we didn't he never told me anything we're not yeah he's a bad dad so yeah they've planted that scene right and then in the second level he's playing to Lula Riley but uh yeah what's the name it's like Mr. whatever

[01:20:49] like the name of the con that Leo's running oh I forget Charles uh yeah Mr. Charles you're right yes where it's like I'm a bad guy I'm the guy you should be worried about but actually trust me because I'm being honest with you

[01:21:03] yeah it's the thing we're right like yes you are being conned but not by me not by me I'm your head of security your head of dream security I'm the guy who would be conning you usually because that's what I'm good at which is why you should trust

[01:21:15] that I know how to stop the people who are doing it and this is dangerous because like now the subconscious is worried because they keep on saying like you're like destroying the internal reality of the dream right exactly like it's scary because the subconscious

[01:21:27] can turn on you the unconscious can turn on you right so what else happens in the hotel I mean later there's going to be some well so very quickly they he's like come with me they negotiate they talk everything he's like you gotta trust me whatever you do

[01:21:41] gonna go into a dream a dream within a dream and he's like yep that's all it is it's just just two dreams buddy one two one two like the friends and they put everyone in a hotel room they're all dressed very

[01:21:53] nice in this reality this is probably the nicest this is this right now now also he's making his James Bond movie right yes and he's always Nolan has always been obsessed with James Bond and like speak so and he's always said if I ever wanted to make any

[01:22:05] kind of franchise it'd be a James Bond movie and anytime there's like a new bond like rumor they're always like Christopher Nolan maybe which seems unlikely at this point but who knows also the broccolis they don't give anyone a blank check no although

[01:22:17] Sam and us was the closest they've ever come so who knows and then this was a little back on I know I know I think why that worked out so well I agree I'm just saying like they've been a little more pliable but I still would be surprised

[01:22:29] I think the bond the bond name would have to be really disgraced for them to turn to someone like Nolan and I don't think even though Spector was bad I don't think it's in like particularly bad situation no I also think you would need to have Nolan do

[01:22:43] the relaunch that's what I'm saying you have to be somehow the wheels would come off the bus and it's like great we're gonna reboot bond Christopher Nolan give us your bond and well you know it basically what they did with Man of Steel

[01:22:55] Tom Hardy is James Bond sure right whatever right so but yeah so it's like right you've got the Tom Bairinger is James the car chase sequence in the first dream and the second dream is everyone's in suits and everyone's like being clever and everyone's

[01:23:07] like talking all smart to each other very quickly to Caprio's like 99 baby 99 let's go into the third dream that's the Bondy part which is like this like mythical ice hospital and it's on her majesty's secret service exactly which is he always said this is his favorite bond

[01:23:21] movie right and yeah everyone's on what do you call them snowmobiles and right so everyone's wearing white they look cool and they're trying to get to a safe of course this giant safe is on a ski slope and it's like the craziest damn safe you ever did

[01:23:37] see yeah it looks so cool looks fucking great yeah man I love ski fighting well there's a ton of it it's so great I mean like do you like James Bond movies I do yeah this reminded me of GoldenEye

[01:23:49] the video game which that was like one of the better levels but I mean because so many ski fight sequences in the bonds to yeah right like the tomorrow never dies where he's got the coat that turns into like a bubble yeah

[01:24:01] yeah but this movie is hitting on a lot of shit I love like this you got the world is on the rain right the first level that movie they keep on using water as like and what if you were within a wet dream that would be sticky

[01:24:15] then the inception rated X there definitely is an inception point parody that is that concept right baby if not can we make that who's the star finally gonna whip it out Griffey finally finally say that is if there's a dumb man

[01:24:31] yeah talking about your demand put it back but really why I like the snow is just because the outfits cool outfits it's always good anytime yeah anytime it's a good look you have to you have to like when Marion shows up in her snow suit she's looking great

[01:24:47] they all look like g.i. joh's in this sequence they look like g.i. joh's like on an arctic mission and right and there's this thing where Saito keeps getting better every time they drop down but then he gets sick again like you know like it only

[01:24:59] does stop the bullet for so long and in the napkin yeah yeah but they're all becoming buds yeah it's really crucial to me the cobsaito thing we're like you know he's just working for Saito at the start of the movie but by the third like there's

[01:25:15] so much emotion invested in Saito and he's so crucial to their final like tower defense yeah and I also think no room for tourists on this job you know like where he's like basically like taping a grenade to his hand so he can throw it

[01:25:27] later like right I also think it's not just oh I can't let this guy die because because I need him for my thing I think at a certain point it becomes like I don't want to let him die like I can't have

[01:25:37] blood on my hands I can't be responsible for another person's death exactly I have sent someone to limbo before it is my greatest guilt right he becomes emotionally invested in Saito as a chance to turn the tide I mean not to get ahead

[01:25:49] of the movie but like my argument basically where he failed with mall he succeeds with Saito right and that's why there I mean no one loves that repetitive dialogue yeah like right from the start you know and then over and over again like radical notions

[01:26:03] you know leap of faith like he's reaching out to him you know when once they're in limbo but I love that there also we're building at the same time the killing Murphy character more and more I mean all these great too yeah he's the arc I love

[01:26:17] the most in this movie because I think it's interesting he comes in so it's the movie within the movie is the story of him right yeah he's the guy who has like a real kind of like grand emotional

[01:26:27] story the thing they keep doing with him is his wallet with the forge dollars I know yeah I know how much a wallet costs that a blender a little bit well it's kind of a little bit by the way thank you for all the blender suggestions I love

[01:26:39] that I love that to Alex loves it too I think he's we've been talking about it but yeah it's just and he plays it so deftly yeah but just this guy who's like it's essentially like my dad made me play little league all the

[01:26:53] time I was never good at baseball and now I've been forced to play in the majors right yeah and it's like he's conflicted between knowing it's not really what he loves knowing he's not very good at it and

[01:27:03] having this trip on a shoulder of needing to prove it but he's not bratty at all he's a very he's not bratty he just yeah wishes his dad did right and now he's lost him and the doors closed but the vault door maybe can be maybe but

[01:27:15] it's cold in here we go somewhere warmer is there anywhere warmer we could go I'm oh no explosions yeah let's blow up the hospital ah the hospitals cave again okay how many podcasts do we have left are there any more podcasts we can go to I mean

[01:27:33] is there I don't know I've never got this deep before in a podcast we're gonna have to go into unstructured podcast space we're gonna have to go into the cloud well let me just check we're still recording great let's go ready yeah okay David plug plug

[01:27:49] oh thank you thanks for the plug hey anytime here's another plug watch the stick August I'm video will that be in the cloud with us yeah well yes I mean I was not right no physical media ever okay we shot the entire series on

[01:28:07] fire tablets you know that right okay everyone you're waiting for a podcast a podcast that will take you far away you know where you hope this podcast will take you but you don't know for sure yet it doesn't matter because we'll be podcast everybody's Griffin

[01:28:39] newman this day since playing checker to pot night cast and captain I don't know I'm on a beach right now sometimes they bounce baby and I'm in a collapsing skyscraper so you don't have any rice any bowls of rice David it is important that we get to the

[01:28:55] end of this episode and that we find Ben okay right we have to do the kicks as Ben is down here somewhere we got a fine band we got to kick him yeah perfect okay alright so let's get to the end of the movie

[01:29:07] now we have synced up with the movie just about because once they're in the ice palace yes which I keep calling it that it's like a prison I don't know what no it's air and all it's the kingdom from frozen yeah exactly yeah uh Saito

[01:29:23] they decide to write no no right mall shoots Killian Murphy and she shows up fucking Ariande is like take the shot she's not real don't let Killian Murphy get shot what if she is real though it's pretty annoying are we talking about then so

[01:29:39] she shoots killian he shoots mom yes uh so that's when the yeah he meets up with everyone he's like fuck it I mean he's dead so nothing we can do well it was good while I was talking to him I wanted to see what was behind

[01:29:53] that door but Ariande is like well why don't we just go into limbo she's scrappy she isn't found by this industry yet she still believes that things are possible she thinks you can go right exactly she's like we can go in limbo it won't change

[01:30:05] us yeah let me just take another pass at it I can fix the third act problems and so they're gonna get him out yes and then ride the kicks back up is her concept ride them kicks so he's like be ready here

[01:30:17] at this point we're starting to with the defibrillator now yeah this movie we're starting to cut we're cutting to Dealey Brow driving a van around town and then eventually we're just cutting to the van is just hung in midair just dropping and I just

[01:30:31] real slow I just love like Hans Zimmer score and you're cutting between like people shooting in the snow right just for going let's fighting in a hotel room which will talk about this in half a second and literally have a right right and

[01:30:45] you know them like walking by all these collapsing buildings trying to find everybody yeah and then just like Joseph Gordon Levitt sleeping asleep listening to headphones really just just a van just going like right just hang in here when they cut to a close

[01:30:57] above a sleeping head and the Zimmer score is blaring and you're like fuck yeah but right yeah because they're hanging in the air the hotel is now has no gravity right so right you have this wonderful I mean it was that the set piece

[01:31:11] of the trailer and it's like why movies it's so true like there's a lot of stuff that movies can be but like it's a perfect example of something that can only happen in this medium I agree and it's just magical and I think Nolan and

[01:31:25] Fister and everybody have always done this great job of never totally explaining how they did it yeah their pieces of it that have been explained they built some kind of they called the hamster wheel some kind of set they built a gimbal and the camera

[01:31:37] is always locked with the gimbal and the gimbal is spinning so the actors are having to walk up the walls with the camera and the rumor lock then there's the later one where they're floating up and down which is so cool so cool

[01:31:49] but which is great but the that that shot of him crawling up the weird rotating staircase and this score is just like yeah and it was the first time and just giggling I know it was delightful giddy with like you know okay so this is why

[01:32:07] he had to do all the stuff in the movie that's wonky that gets at this point without any dialogue where you're just existing on like a pure state because people said like why could he done without the explanation it's like well then

[01:32:17] then you're doing like the holy mountain like that's a movie that works with dream logic but you can't get emotionally invested and it doesn't have a narrative and you certainly can make people excited during an action sequence and that's

[01:32:27] like his big gambit is like I'm gonna bet everything I'm with you you know bet it all on black for like an hour and half so that the last hour just like pays out great gambling metaphor thank you right that works I don't know great

[01:32:41] yeah but then also so we're cutting between all these things dealie brow driving around yeah Joseph Gordon Levy a very good driver you're terrible yeah really bad why'd they put him in charge Joseph Gordon Levy it rumbling around the hotel yeah the zero grab hotel right the ice

[01:32:57] planet you've got Saito and Eames are trying to like hold everyone off right well throwing grenades jumping around like sewers and stuff killing Marfe's just so I die Saito is also slowly dying you're kind of with them at this takes have never been greater and then in limbo

[01:33:15] you know they can just that takes forever in limbo so he's just like yeah anyway so this is the world we created being mall we decided we should live in a city that is endless skyscrapers in their grid we're not weird at all

[01:33:29] the thing he's now revealed before they go into limbo is I've been to limbo before I built everything there I've done inception before and it blew up in my face because my inception was hey maybe you should wake up right she wouldn't stop thinking

[01:33:41] but it wouldn't go away right it was like a programming override like every time she woke up she was like I'm still sleeping let me wake up again and that is symbolized by this thing where he goes into some safe in her like all house

[01:33:53] dollhouse right and opens it and spins the top again right and this top is just spinning spinning forever it's a good symbol yes so now they go up there trying to find I just love how he's just saying like

[01:34:09] you know we always wanted to live in a small house in the city so we built this you're this is terrifying it's just skyscrapers it's a crepe at this point I know but you do see brief shots of it when it's like supposedly nice and you're still like

[01:34:23] this is a weird thing to want to do essentially built up like it's like one homey house yeah like sandwich in between clinical sky sky and when people there you don't see anything but the cup salad realizes like if we're trying if we're trying to find

[01:34:39] killing Murphy why do I keep on remembering forgetting his name what's killing Murphy's name in this movie Roger Robert Roger Robert Robert Fisher Fisher that's the name I'm looking for was fishing for that one he's like I guarantee you mall has

[01:34:55] we gotta find mall will find Fisher if I know my own fucked up brain I think my dead wife's memory is holding this guy hostage so he's like let's go to the apartment the apartment where our kids are and they get in there and now it's like

[01:35:09] who are they sitting at a table it's the dark night interrogation scene yeah but it's also right and it's also this place he keeps dreaming about to their apartment right and everything's like collapsing around them it's like a fucking role in emric move this is right

[01:35:23] and this is the point at which Nolan is really funny like having wanting you to think about like is any of his shit real like right thing with his kids did that happen to him like how much is he dreaming anything movie is operating constructed

[01:35:35] through dream logic so even the scenes that are sensibly in the real world feel dreamy in a lot of ways yeah and she's just sort of like calling out and going like how do you know what's real bro how do you know what's real right

[01:35:49] trying to get him to stay there with her yeah burn it all down right she's like stay here with me forever and Leo is like okay I'll do it if you give Robert over to Ariane yes and she's Ariane's like no don't do it you know like

[01:36:05] don't let go I'm constructed she kicks him off but he's like building up I have to go get Saito yeah my real boyfriend yeah I'll be back and like mmm three seconds ten years right hard to tell but like right like that's the crucial thing he's

[01:36:23] realized not that he has to like stay with mall and whatever sure right screenplays about his fucking girlfriend forever right so yeah she kicks him off yes and then she jumps off herself and then he's there digging for Saito and you know we forgot to talk about my

[01:36:43] favorite image in the entire film and we talked about jokingly but not really not that I have to dig into it that much but I think it's the weirdest image in the movie and also sort of the most no-liny image in his entire filmography is the entire

[01:36:55] cast of beautiful actors dressed amicably stacked up on top of each other in the air wrapped up in phone it's great it's so dragging them around it's wonderful the dream stuff isn't weird enough that's the weirdest fucking image and especially because this movie keeps on

[01:37:11] like after he's assembled the team and there's the whole section with them plotting there's the thing that was the poster where it's like all of them staggered on an intersection yes in the middle of an empty street and they're all just blocked

[01:37:21] perfectly at different like depth so that you can see them all clearly and the movie does that like six or seven times like oh he's obsessed with trying to get them in one good widescreen frame

[01:37:31] and that's like or just like stack them on top of each other wrap a phone cord around in the sky it's great but he does that so right because at this point we watch the kicks happen right and goes Gordon Levitt's in the elevator with the explosives

[01:37:43] yeah they lie down in the ice palace blow themselves up right to like or blow the hospital up to make them fall right right killing Murphy woken up again yet right well cuz right at the same point the defibrillator kicks him out right and then

[01:37:57] they're like okay go go have emotional realization please quickly now yeah we're just kind of like on set where you save the big scene for the end of the day and they're like we're fighting the light if you could really we got like three takes right

[01:38:09] so he goes in there and possible to it is in there shot from an amazing angle P possible to it has one most interesting noses in human history and we're shooting right up the nostrils yes that is true he's good

[01:38:25] so good in his brief such a good actor he was but yeah it is I think it's it is funny that during this super high tension heist climax he succeeds at hitting pause for just a minute for a character who was not a central emotional focus right

[01:38:45] first act and he's done a decent job distilling because we've had this picture that he keeps looking of himself with a pinwheel yeah the pinwheel like he opens the safe the pinwheels in it he's crying and like Tom hardy's watching is like yeah

[01:38:59] yeah we got because he's the audience right we should say right by the way Robert Fisher is the audience yes yeah and yeah he says you know like disappointed he's like I know father you're disappointed that I never became you disappointed that you even tried yes

[01:39:19] pretty affecting that's pretty emotionally affecting right yeah I find that touching yeah and it is like tracking with this metaphor of him being the audience mm-hmm it's like we kind of look to art and entertainment to give us emotional resolution on things that

[01:39:37] we never got the emotional resolution on in life to make sense of emotions that we were not able to sort out ourselves in since that we were not able to sort out ourselves right it's like they all construct this lie where his father

[01:39:49] gets to tell him the thing that would make him right be free from all the blood and expectations we believe it 100% because of course we don't know the real father because he's not a character in this movie well so we're just like yeah no that's

[01:40:01] what it's always been that's why he's sad right his dad was disappointed because he tried right to be his dad instead of being his own person not to go up around but whole too much but like you know Nolan movies are all about

[01:40:13] confidence they're about con men but it's also like that's what fucking filmmaking is like you're trying to confidently sell people on a false reality and make them care about things that aren't real because a shot of Joseph Gordon Levitt listening to headphones should

[01:40:25] not have any impact on an audience it should mean less than nothing there's a reason people don't watch hit record Joe it's because that's an uninteresting image hit record hit record hit record took me a while to figure that out I also thought it was

[01:40:38] a movie thing but it's a music thing it's both or whatever okay anyway but the point is like the magic of filmmaking as you put these disparate elements together they become something greater even though they're just a bunch of very technical things assembled in a

[01:40:50] vacuum they all ride up the elevator well sure right but you know they all ride the kicks up they're pop Leo's down in limbo he we repeat the scene from the beginning yeah he's Saito is old so we I guess the idea is he's just been stuck here

[01:41:05] for decades right yeah and Leo pulls him out by appealing to like their shared connection which is you know we are both essentially maniacs right like we're both right like that's the thing last man tilting at windmills trying to define some sense of greatness

[01:41:22] and our legacy right which is a funny thing when you think about the fact that Leo is a thief a high-end thief yeah and Saito is a yeah businessman sure even business we don't even know what it is like conglomerates

[01:41:34] right but it works and that gets them out right like that's all it is yes like we don't need to see them ride the kicks up because they just need to get out of limbo yes it's so but it does work it

[01:41:50] just it just works which is I think credit wait a second huh that old man over there along wispy ginger beer it's so wispy you can barely see it it looks familiar so have you come to kill me I've been waiting for someone to come

[01:42:18] now it's a griffin my name is griffin griffin you might know another guy named Kappa looks like me I'm griffin not possible he and I were young men together we recorded a podcast but I am an old man felt with regret waiting to die alone

[01:42:38] yes stare at you very intensely now not blink once big Leo eyes oh how's the rice by the way really good thank you so much you looked hungry yeah the way I'm eating it is making it hard to get into my mouth because I'm grabbing

[01:42:52] the fork with my full fist it's a little it's a little too ready it's a little sweaty yeah also your eyes are fucked up thank you I worked really hard on that just a friend as we still have to the box office game and

[01:43:02] talk about the finale I came back for you I came to remind you of what you once knew that this world is not real maybe I came to convince you to honor an arrange event boy oh yeah did you come to convince me to honor

[01:43:22] some type of arrangement we had established when I was a young man yes yes and to take a leap of faith come back and we'll be young men together again wait one last thing I want to tell you so I'm sorry I'm

[01:43:39] sorry I know you were disappointed that we did all those episodes on the Star Wars prequels that we committed to doing 50 hours of episodes just on the Star Wars prequels I know you're disappointed I've had a lot of time to reflect upon that you've been here in

[01:43:55] limbo yeah 50 years structure dream space no never apologize I'm disappointed you didn't do more yeah hey guys I'm sitting on a beach there's the van oh wait we gotta go up a couple more levels to get him David get him with us David David

[01:44:18] it's so cold we went the wrong way down to level back up you're doing it us a nice hotel but we're floating back up a little further down later yeah oh man driving a van okay one more okay yeah wow how here we are on the

[01:44:41] plane oh Benny you're looking at Griffin really weird and then picking up your phone hold on I have to make a quick call yes give him what he wants we get to do 50 more episodes on the Phantom Menace trilogy yes yes you do

[01:45:00] you know all this time David I thought it was our idea but now I feel like perhaps I was inception you get it I get it can we talk about a very confusing narrative can we talk about several different temporalities but I think it's actually abundantly clear

[01:45:20] maybe it's sometimes it felt sweaty real sweaty but I think with a little bit of tightening in the edit this is sweaty as we were recording the prestige episode all right great job thank you loved it all great couple things sure yeah

[01:45:39] after they wake up that was crazy by the way oh nuts yeah let's talk about the ending of the movie after they wake up yeah Hans Zimmer's time yes kicks on to the soundtrack right and this is his this has become his like fucking

[01:45:54] Star Wars theme or whatever right this is what he shreds on his electric guitar this is what he closes his Coachella set with yes on court I know is that a hilarious and I remember when like he was announced to be doing that me

[01:46:07] and Joey we're texting each other we were like times gotta be the closer right it's gotta be time times you're one like you go on YouTube there's like so many videos that are like Hans Zimmer's time ten hours long people just want to listen to it forever

[01:46:21] but Leo you know that who one of Leo's finest moments as an actor I think is him playing waking up on the plane I just all the looks at everybody it's a totally silent scene of acting mm-hmm all close-ups of him so good trying

[01:46:37] to come to terms with what just happened looking at everyone and he's like looking at Arthur who's smiling because it worked he's looking at Saito who looks really confused but then picks up the phone and then you know and then he turns around to look at killing Murphy

[01:46:51] who is also doing a great job of like I had the weirdest dream you know what I mean and I really think the end of inception is like the end of Titanic where it's like it's so perfectly executed that you walk out just on a

[01:47:04] total high yeah because you're basically they did it they convinced that business man to break up his company and there's Dylan Brown waiting for his luggage at the carousel like it's that same he's seeing everyone like the music is going as all swelling and

[01:47:18] everyone's giving him these kind of knowing nods and then Michael Cain's like welcome welcome come home it's almost like the end of Saturday Night Live when everyone's like hugging each other and you're just sort of like we did it's like a rap party

[01:47:30] it's like a rap party have you had your poop for whatever yeah great congrats on that thank you and and then we're led to see his children yes and he's like and he finally realizes maybe walking in he's like oh

[01:47:44] shit let me spin this top in the top then he sees their faces which to me is such a like cathartic moment yeah he's done so well to hide them wait for this face they're his kids take something away at least the boy is his make people

[01:47:57] realize how much they missed right no I mean it's I'm fucking up it is but yeah right it's his no linds kids at least the boy oh the boy is not the girl yeah the boy is yeah and um

[01:48:09] and then yeah I mean you cut to the top spinning right the audience you're with in the theater goes and then it like wobbles slightly cut to black title everyone shrieks hot take doesn't matter no I think the whole beauty of the movie is it doesn't matter

[01:48:27] whether or not top spinning the entire point narratively emotionally is that he didn't need to check anymore right and also I mean that's what Nolan would say I think and yes and he's had right he's free of mall I think there's a very good

[01:48:40] chance he still no dream I you know sometimes I rewatch it and think the whole things are fucking dream but I think it doesn't matter he's found his inner peace and he and Saito are best friends that's all that matters the

[01:48:50] two friends you need to go soon I do let's let's go here's the box office game this movie everyone thought was like gonna be a big fucking Oscar play and then they snubbed him once again it got the best picture now because of the

[01:49:02] ten it got a screenplay now and it won best cinematography and best visual effects I think I believe editing I'm gonna look it up sure editing it's a well-edited movie yeah this is movies often are let's see it was the winner of four Oscars okay it should

[01:49:22] have one score that was the real snub what one that year instead I'll find out but one cinematography sound mixing sound editing visual effects it did not win editing wasn't nominated for editing no somewhat outrageous yet the nominees for editing social network which one

[01:49:37] which was actually a one oh and social network one score as well right which is a great that is you're right it is a fucking great score yeah yeah that's the social network here yeah anyway so yeah and it was nominated for score art

[01:49:48] direction screenplay he gets on the director after getting the DGA nom which it's the third time this has happened for him now he gets a DGA nom and then gets snubbed when they go to the majors snubs and flubs yes movie comes out on July 16th 2010 and everyone

[01:50:04] was like is this a risky gamble or how indulgent is roll I yeah right makes 200 dream thieves the movie makes 292 it would cost a 160 sure 292 domestic 825 worldwide humongous just a humongous hit just an absolute baller I mean it must be the third highest grossing original

[01:50:23] film ever right I can't look at it right now but I would assume it's the two cameras in this the director nominees that year are Tom Hooper who wins Fincher Fincher David O Russell for the fighter Aaron Oscar Cohen's for true great which is a masterpiece and Aaron

[01:50:39] off ski for black swan tough year but Tom Hooper Tom Hooper though so number one inception $62 million opening weekend which people were like okay good opening like like maybe it's gonna open a 40 but then you know they still may not make back their

[01:50:55] budget it did like five times opening weekend it was crazy crazy sleeper head yes number two over to so it's July I was number one the week before July 2010 it's an animated film the start of a series yes despicable me which

[01:51:12] has made 118 in two weeks yeah I was very surprised in that movie did well because I remember that movie the word was uh-oh they fucked up this movie's gonna bomb and then suddenly the advertising was all over the place but then suddenly in the last two weeks

[01:51:27] no but yeah but it's in the last two weeks the they shift to these minions and I remember reading a deadline article that was like a lot of people think this is a risky proposal like shows how desperate they are there like these cutesy cartoon

[01:51:39] characters these are not appealing characters what a bad idea to bet on the annoying yeah anyway now they are now they are pretty massive six number three is the other big new movie of the week starring your favorite actor what is it who remembered this one are you

[01:51:58] being facetious no it is my favorite actor I don't know he's you love him he's one of my guys and some big movie it's a Disney movie it's like a family movie but like a big budget action like sort of fantasy movie it's a remake sort of

[01:52:16] it's a remake sort of a remake of a Disney film yeah animated but it's live action it's sort of a remake of a Disney film it's a live action film it will cost a hundred fifty million dollars it open to seventeen million and make sixty three total

[01:52:37] two fifteen worldwide it's probably the last big budget movie starring this guy maybe not oh oh oh oh I can't believe it opened the same weekend I know and I saw it that weekend Jesus this is the Sorcerer's Apprentice starring Nicholas Cage based on one

[01:52:56] short from Tantasia and Teresa Palmer and Alfred Molina correct Monica Baluchi to yeah it's a crazy movie didn't do well a film that killed National Treasure 3 yeah like the two National Treasure movies were so big for Disney yeah and this they took

[01:53:11] such a bath on this and it was the Pertletop and Cage that they immediately kicked a National Treasure 3 back which is really annoying because there are a lot of unanswered questions from National Treasure 2 so sorry number four is a look of secrets no they open the book

[01:53:29] is the third entry in a very popular franchise of the moment it has made two hundred sixty four million dollars a Twilight Eclipse correct I also saw that I was at working at a summer camp this summer and I saw most of these movies

[01:53:45] I would leave late at night and drive with my friend Scott Crater when we go to the multiplex and see movies jerk each other off in the theater congrats I will say when we were watching Twilight Eclipse I turned him at one point and I said

[01:53:59] I bet Edwards penis looks like a glitter pen and he says that's the funniest thing I've ever said that is pretty fucking funny I think it was a good joke he gave me ten comedy points number five is one of those Pixar cartoons you love so much

[01:54:11] three sixty two you also got top grossing film that year attention must be paid you also got grown ups which is doing great last airbender okay I was gonna ask last airbender has come out at this point and dropped like a stone

[01:54:25] it has in three weeks made one fifteen and it's already at number seven because it opened huge I mean pretty big not huge but big it's not doing great now yeah exactly but it'll make some money it's made one fifteen you got predators

[01:54:37] yeah a movie no one remembers now they're rebooting Predator again with Shane Black directing THE predator night and day a forgotten entry in everyone's filmography yeah and that was supposed to be a big cruise comeback the Karate Kid a massive success that no one talks about

[01:54:53] Cyrus the film that launched the new Plas Brothers onto HBO forever I'm not the first one to say this no movie's okay I just will never stop complaining about this I said the Jaden Smith remake features Zero Karate it's exclusively about Kung Fu

[01:55:09] they never say the word karate in the movie that title drives me crazy it should be called the Kung Fu Kid great uh kids are alright exclusively about Kung Fu you forget the kids are alright was like a spring

[01:55:19] movie that made it all the way to the Oscars girl this is a summer picture it's a June release uh yeah Junior you're right sorry whatever I was reading it wrong I thought it was out for fifteen weeks it's actually been out for two

[01:55:31] Iron Man 2 is at the bottom yeah the A team uh yeah A team I think is kind of underrated Shrek Forever actor after yeah and it was and it was Robin Hood that cleared a hundred a lot of 2010 blockbusters that don't exist here's the billing order

[01:55:49] okay of inception and then we'll go I was gonna quiz you but you got it there I have it here do you want it no well it's okay no you got it so quiz me give it to me okay so number one's the caps correct

[01:55:59] number two is Once and Abbey which is crazy he's the best he's my boy number three emotional spine of the movie is him inside really is number three is JGL which is very bizarre that he gets above co-tear and page co-tear just four pages five

[01:56:17] okay yeah but it's true because co-tear and page Oscars right yeah anyway and JGL hadn't been in a big she got the well he been 500 and he been in J.I.J. oh right he's I think really fun looking at one number six

[01:56:31] co-tear and page are next you got those two number six would be killing Murphy no Hardy then Murphy then Berenger and and Michael came correct did it Didley Brown didn't make it no there's a split card there's a three a three shared card

[01:56:53] with three actors at the end which is Dilla Brow Lucas House and Tallulah Riley yeah they're the only other ones in it really yeah and then there's another card in memory of the pussy posse they list all the members yeah so that's it

[01:57:07] that's in session a very very dumb silly movie that I love and I think it's very fun I think you have to accept this movie for what it is which is him trying to make like a weird psychological thrill ride like it's

[01:57:21] I remember when they announced this movie and it was top secret no one knew what it was about he said it's a heist movie that takes place in the architecture of the mind what the fuck does that mean and then you saw it

[01:57:33] like no it literally is a movie about people performing a heist in the architecture of the mind like you can't put this goofy nerdy idea and committed to it in the movie sweaty and it's sloppy and as you jump through a bunch of hoops

[01:57:45] but if you're gonna ride with it it's fucking fun do you like it Ben? I loved it yeah and it's also this anomalous fucking film where it's like this fully original film that felt like him getting his blank check that ended up being

[01:57:57] as big as his other movies pretty much making a huge cultural impact and no one has dared tried to make anything this ambitious since yeah I'd have to think about it in this kind of sphere trying to make like you know interstellar up there but yeah yeah yeah

[01:58:13] this is really concerned with being a popcorn movie yeah you're right you know even more so yeah like I just think it's like him trying to do like his Hitchcock where it's like can I make something that's smart but also just

[01:58:23] like gets the girls and dumb people in the audience can just have fun watching and then what comes next? Dark Knight Rises oh boy we're gonna do Bartman jokes again Richard T. Bain I think it's Michael J. Bain yeah I think you're right please don't mess up

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