Interstellar

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and Dave What to say or to expect? All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Do not go gentle into that good night. Old age should burn and rave at close of day Rage, rage against the dying of the podcast Third take people Hello everybody I'm a very horse Griffin human I'm a coffee drinking David Sims

[00:00:42] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David We discuss filmographies of directors who have had massive success early on in their careers Oh God No he's struggling guys, he is tired I am no one should ever promote a TV show He's a tie tie boy

[00:00:57] No one should ever promote a TV show I'm Joseph Cross from Light Awake And this podcast about filmographies of directors who have had massive success early on in their careers or given a series of Blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want

[00:01:09] Sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce, maybe And now this is going to be an episode where David talks the entire time So just, we're kind of just a context So you're filming a movie right now Is that we can say that at least

[00:01:26] Yeah, we can say that Which you booked right after making the tick in one of your stupider career up decisions You know one of your stupid good decisions Yes I made a very bad decision to continue success

[00:01:39] You have a very bad decision to take a job that you probably should take if that makes sense Yes It's just a little role or whatever But you're making a movie Yeah, yeah, yes I mean he's not the star of a movie

[00:01:54] But you know he's making a movie guys No, I booked this like in the last, while doing the last episode of the tick And I've been going back and forth between filming this movie And doing press Which has also required me to fly to different countries

[00:02:08] And doing post production work And you're gonna go to Australia like tomorrow I'm burning the candle at like five ends So my body's just given out My body's given out, my voice is just a quit It is telling me to stop working But

[00:02:27] We're here to talk about interstellar We got blank check to do I don't give a shit about any of this Cuz we got Cuz push this back because I mean look I know it might sound like a humble brag Talking about how busy I've been

[00:02:41] All the things that are going on in my career But David over here is very busy as well Because he's on a two week vacation I'm very pumped up about my vacation Now I'm realizing now As the vacation comes to a close

[00:02:53] I've only got a few days left Because like after week one of my vacation When I didn't go back to work for week two I was like this is how you do it You know, you just don't go back You take, you know, you really decompress

[00:03:05] Like I went away, I came back to New York I've chilled out for a few days and gone away again But now I'm realizing next Monday is gonna be Soul crushing Yes The longer you're away The worse it is to go back Definitely

[00:03:18] It's like a theory of relativity If I want to tie it into the movie we're about to discuss Right, it's like a time cube You gotta tap that bookcase baby Yes, yes You took a brief intermission from your vacation To record this episode because otherwise

[00:03:32] We were gonna run out of episodes Otherwise I would be in bed right now You literally have no other choice but to record Right now with my voice sounding like this It's literally this was it This was one three hour window

[00:03:43] Blackboards and we like wrote all the possibilities And it was like no we can only do Thursday at 10 a.m Yes, Michael Cain was lying on the bed Dying telling us you can't record You will have to miss a week So we had to revive you from hypersleep

[00:03:57] And like pull the like cord off of your saran wrap And like, you know, you started crying When we lifted you out all wet and sad I did and you didn't know I was gonna be in the bag Because I was uncredited

[00:04:07] It wasn't in any of the marketing materials Oh boy, but it wasn't announced But everyone forgot Yeah, because the thing about Damon in this movie Right, it was announced but Weirdly like I feel like it was just sort of In the announcement like Matt Damon's in it

[00:04:22] Yes, yeah, right and he wasn't in any of the marketing And then when he was doing press for other movies He'd be like I just have a small part I just did it because I wanted to work with Nolan So I went into thinking he was gonna have

[00:04:31] Like a burst in size role Sure, sure, sure You mean he'd be the linchpin of the movie I thought he was gonna be the comic relief Sure I mean it's so funny in the Martian That's what I mean that is our finest comedy

[00:04:44] This is a year before the Martian So he was actually probably just like trying to Limber up his like comedy you know muscles Look, he went to his agent in 2012 Right, and he said it's time for a career invention You know what's funny space

[00:04:57] He said look I need to rebrand myself Jason Bourne has run a little dry I don't want to have to tap that well again right He made the mistake later But he said here's what I want to do I want to going forward only make movies

[00:05:09] Where I'm alone secluded on a foreign planet And Jessica Chastain is vaguely trying to rescue me And he made two and then they were like we're out They're no more scripts Yeah this is tough, you know come on Jessica wants to do something else

[00:05:22] She's sick of rescuing you Sort of Sort of There's a little bit of a stretch But I mean look she's in both movies Which is crazy It is crazy When you think about it And these are two successive years

[00:05:32] It's 2000 and they are the only movies he was in He was only an interstellar in 2014 And he was only in the Martian in 2015 Yeah it was part of his comedy rebranding And then The Martian is so funny He's the thing He's the thing Because this is

[00:05:47] I'm sorry the monument spends also in 2015 Hey Remember? Yeah no I remember He poops into a potato or whatever he does And you see the whole thing Yeah that's what happens He carves a hole into a potato And then he poops He squeezes his poop

[00:05:58] Into the little hole in the potato And Ridley Scott then like walks on set And he was like you have to see it You gotta see it And then he like leads Matt Damon over to a console And he's like let's edit the footage now

[00:06:10] And you watch them And the golden globes just hurl their globes at the screen I always thought it was a weird choice For Ridley Scott to edit the HBO first look of the Martian Into the Martian And not even like at the end

[00:06:26] It just happens in the middle It like interrupts the movie Oh boy Usually he saves that for the director's cut What a great opening to our episode About my favorite Christopher Nolan movie Is this your favorite movie of this decade? It is my favorite movie of this decade

[00:06:41] Wow I thought about that when I was watching it for this podcast Which is probably like my eighth viewing of it Or something like something around there It's a main series called the Podnycast It's a film with Christopher Nolan I forgot about that part I forgot about everything

[00:06:57] And I was sort of like going through Like my other like very top films of the like 2010s And I was like yeah no no no interstellar And then I posted that on Letterbox I think And a lot of people told me that I was stupid

[00:07:11] Yeah you got some You're really griffin' it up today You're like I gotta be the grump And you're really you're a good grump What was I gonna say? What's your number two? It's a good question If I I mean did you make a Letterbox list That was right

[00:07:29] Of like the 20 teens Yes I don't know what my number two would be Like at first thought It would probably I'm just sort of looking at like The various movies I've like ranked number one Margaret, probably Margaret Yeah I was guessing because that's probably Margaret

[00:07:45] That's my favorite of the decade That's mine with a bullet A bullet A bullet A bullet D A social net Good movie Would be up there A good movie A holy motors Good movie Wind Rises Never seen it Oh you should see it I'm really a G-Blee guy

[00:08:02] It's a mountain I still have to climb Getting into Ghibli To me the great mountain to climb That's like the most whimsical mountain you could climb It's very whimsical Like every five minutes there's a goddamn lantern with a foot That like you know shakes your hand or whatever

[00:08:19] And the mountain tells you about its dreams Yeah it sounds great So okay so But I do love this movie Interstellar Yeah His last movie before his current movie That's out in theaters right now Uh yes It came out October? No November November 5th November 2014

[00:08:42] Cause it got that big Thanksgiving bump When people Yeah it made actually like a surprising amount of money Cause when it came out The opening was considered kind of disappointing Right people were like And the reviews were mixed So people were like how he swung and missed again

[00:08:55] Yeah And then it ended up Doing kind of a crazy number for what this movie is Because I was talking to someone yesterday About how Dunkirk is doing so well And they were like really it's not made Anything close to what Interstellar made And I was like huh

[00:09:08] And I checked and I was like right It also made a ton of money Uh international Yes Like and uh so yeah Interstellar was actually kind of a hit Weirdly Yeah Even though I feel like the initial perception of it Was yeah a little bit of a disappointment

[00:09:24] But he was coming off of Three consecutive movies That ranked in the top ten movies That Studio had ever made Crazy crazy hits Just next level hits So I think it was always going to be seen as a disappointment Uh compared to those Yeah

[00:09:39] Um and the opening was small For what it was The opening was small It got beaten out by a movie that I won't say yet Cause I don't want to ruin the box office game Oh please don't Yeah yeah yeah of course

[00:09:49] Um and but then it was weird It multiplied It was a dad movie You know much like Dunkirk's Cause I think Dunkirk's going to just keep Chugging along for a while It was one of those movies I think so too You know the magic of a dad movie

[00:10:00] Is the dad doesn't know from opening weekends He's just like going to want to see it eventually Yes Like you know and I saw this movie Uh at a press screening obviously But then the second time I saw it was At Thanksgiving with my like uncle

[00:10:13] You know like uh that was uh The experience Um I saw I saw opening night Midnight Midnight Like actual midnight Max actual midnight Right Actual fucking real deal big boy midnight Uh that's fine cause you probably got home Like 1.30 right this is very short

[00:10:31] This is his longest movie to be clear It's two hours and forty nine minutes long I just remember like going to get a slice of pizza After the movie cause I was hungry Like it must have been like three in the morning

[00:10:41] That was the thing I was like eating my pizza I was like taking my time And then I checked my watch And it was like four o'clock in the morning I was like Jesus fucking Christ Why'd you see it midnight? Why not at like 7 p.m. or whatever

[00:10:50] I think the other ones were sold out I want to see it I saw it with Derek Simon My best friend The great Derek Simon who just has these great dogs I look at on Instagram all day now He's got a great dog President Bartlett Uh yes

[00:11:01] This is dog's name Uh my oldest childhood friend And a current writer of Supergirl That's right Uh we used to uh We went to summer camp together When we were nine We went to an arts camp We used to touch dicks and stuff Uh but we were nine

[00:11:14] And we went to an arts camp And we were like the indoor kids At the arts camp Sure Even at the arts camp Yeah right They had a required time Where you had to go swimming And he and I became friends Because we both ran the same con

[00:11:28] Which was uh We would quote unquote Forget to pack a swimsuit every day So that they couldn't make us swim Right And so what they did was They made us stay on the other side of a fence Cause they were like Well if you can't come swimming

[00:11:41] Then you're not even allowed into the general area Right So we literally sat in this dirt Outside of a fence And traded X-Men cards And talked about comic books And now he writes Supergirl and I'm Arthur On the tag Uh you guys are both so handsome though

[00:11:55] Oh get out of here That's true Derrick's very handsome Uh you're very handsome too Um um So you saw it with Derrick Right Who uh You know Dark Knight Fanatic Okay Specifically the Dark Knight Nolan fan I think in general

[00:12:10] I think he would identify as a Nolan fan But Dark Knight was It was kind of a big watershed movie for him And I think he saw it ten times in theaters That's crazy That's too many times to see movie theaters

[00:12:18] I went with him like two of the times I think I mean two is fine Yeah Two sounds good I probably saw Toy Story 3 ten times in theaters I don't know why I am shocked by that news Or upset about it But I am both

[00:12:31] I lost count at a certain point But it definitely was at least Eight times in theaters I have seen Toy Story 3 once And then like Maybe like another 40 minutes of it Total on TV Like if you sort of aggregate All the minutes together Right

[00:12:43] So I've seen it that time That you saw Plus another 20 So you saw it at the AMC Lincoln Square The New York's actual IMAX Which is Colossal Right Which is huge I saw it at a press screening there An empty press screen

[00:13:03] It was literally like me, Richard Lawson, Katie Rich Friends of the show Friends of the show Who we were all sitting in the back row Which is where I like to sit In that fucking theater And like I play for the middle baby

[00:13:12] Well that's where Mr. Nolan sits I was told They call me Patricia Heaton Because I'm in the middle 15 comedy points for me That was so good You get to give yourself the comedy points And then I give myself five comedy points For giving myself 15 comedy points

[00:13:31] That wasn't a bad bit No it was good It was all good It was literally like six people For some reason I talked my way Into like the earliest screening of Interstellar I don't know how And it was awesome And I had a great time

[00:13:46] I was completely overwhelmed by it You loved it right out the gate Loved it right out of the gate But also like in IMAX It is staggering Like just the space photography Like the size of it And I remember being very overwhelmed Like literally like my stomach

[00:14:01] Dropping out of my body You know like that's sort of like Feeling a lot And then I walked out And Richard and Katie were like And I was like Oh yeah, no I think I liked it So I similarly I saw it with Derek

[00:14:13] We were both very very excited to see it And then The second we walked out It's a thing Derek and I Share opinions on a lot of things There are certain things that are more On the griff spectrum There are certain things that are more

[00:14:25] In the Derek spectrum Where you have a lot of commonalities But then they're the further reaches And a lot of times I've gone to go See a movie with Derek Opening night that we're both really excited for And we walk out And one of us is like

[00:14:35] That's a masterpiece And the other one's like This is not my kind of thing Okay, you know Like anything in particular Give me an example Like I think his favorite movie Of the decade is Take Shelter Yeah, I think we're on the same spectrum

[00:14:48] Right and he walked out Take Shelter and was like Holy shit And I was like I thought that was solid Yeah, sure But I remember taking him to see Sinecta Key And I was like This is my fucking movie And he was like Not my kind of thing

[00:15:00] Yeah, right It's not like you didn't like it Exactly It's more like You know I see the The artistry here But not my thing Right, right We have that kind of thing You know It's very rare that one of us Will like

[00:15:12] Hate a movie that the other likes Yeah, no I get it I get it But this was a weird example of He walked out and was like Yeah, not my kind of movie And I was like I think I like it Like I wasn't fully Standing for it

[00:15:26] Yeah, I was Very sure that I liked it Definitely understood that the last hour Was gonna throw a lot of people Off the train Essentially Like a lot of people who had maybe Been enjoying the movie Would be like Fuck that No, no, no, no

[00:15:41] And definitely understood that it's It was very Nolan-y Yes So anyone who had like The traditional Nolan issues would be like Well this is almost like Like it's all of it inflated right It's like sort of maximized Yes This feels like his most Nolan-y movie

[00:15:59] In a lot of ways I mean it's literally I mean we'll get into it But I really liked it And in K.D. and Richard's defense I think both of them eventually Sort of have come around more to it

[00:16:11] I don't know if they think it's as good as I think it is Sure They, I think they both told me that like On second viewing they were like More dialed into the movie in general It is a movie that I think has

[00:16:21] Weirdly kind of grown since it came out I mean the people who don't like it stick With not liking it Yeah, yeah It's not like it's become a masterpiece You know universally regarded or anything but But I see a lot on film Twitter The take of like

[00:16:34] I can't believe I gave I wrote off Interstellar as this When I saw it Right, yeah, yeah, yeah Which I kind of can't believe it either I think now So I hadn't seen it in full since I saw it in theaters Oh wow Okay, okay

[00:16:49] I, you know, can't sleep at night ever Congrats on that So I watched stuff when I'm trying to fall asleep Sure And I have a couple times said You know it was on like Amazon Prime A great video service Oh yeah, very good Really good company, good company

[00:17:05] Good bit rate Good bit? Are they pro bits? Pro bit rate No, smit rate They're the opposite of us Yeah But I would throw it on sometimes But the first hour of that movie I will say Is calming in a way that actually would Put me to sleep

[00:17:25] No, I was about to say I could almost see I find this movie incredibly soothing I do too And the first hour is definitely the most soothing Because it's like Farms and the music is very quiet And quiet And I said, you know

[00:17:39] When we did our mail bag episode And people asked where our comfort food movies were I said that I weirdly fall asleep to the master A lot And this has that same kind of like Hoit Van Hoidema Long shot Very like in control Masterful actors

[00:17:55] Having like low volume conversations You know The same sort of like Kind of music temperature It's like your ASMR basically Correct Hoit Van Hoidema movies are my ASMR Well, he's I mean If he was going to replace Wally Fister He got a good guy Yes

[00:18:14] There was a point in time when I thought I had found my new thing That helped me go to sleep Which was ASMR videos where people go through Their criteria and collections That sounds nice It's so good And there are only like four of them

[00:18:29] Like I ran out Yeah, it's the problem you've run out Right They're so good Also like two of them were like The girls like These actually aren't my DVDs They're my boyfriend So she's like going through the movies But she hasn't seen any of them

[00:18:43] Just kind of annoying where she was like This looks very Autistic Looks like they're good supplements It just annoyed me because in the same video She puts in some things that aren't criteria It's like very clear That it's not her collection I'm only talking about one

[00:18:57] It's one specific What is it? I really have to know Is it B Cool? I'm trying to think of the least criteria Is it National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1? I remember The one I remember her including Is a steel book of the Big Lebowski Sure Like criteria and whatever

[00:19:17] Released a steel book I just imagine you like Jerking off watching this and then being like You know, like I'm just trying to sleep to do it Oh boy No, I know that I'm like Detective Dormer It's like no I'm taping cushions to the window

[00:19:39] Watching criteria and ASMR And I'm just trying to sleep I'm so tired I've been working since February You're a tired boy You're a tie-tie boy But you know how people like You like jerk off to your appearance In what's it called That's not true Fortildon

[00:19:55] And they cover your face Oh, how people do that I don't do that No, you don't do that You made the joke about this Once in a while The people have to masturbate to me Because I'm new to the adjacent But they put their hand on over you

[00:20:06] You cover the steel book of the Big Lebowski With your palm That was my bit A great bit Half a comic book I don't think so It was a little sweaty in delivery Well, you argued with me through the bit I did I'm still riled I'm riled

[00:20:21] I'm tired and I'm riled So I've rewatched the first 30 minutes To an hour Thank you So you've rewatched Right, the beginning of the movie a lot A couple times A couple times in the last year I'd say two or three times I've tried

[00:20:37] Because I never wanted to like Oh, I fell asleep watching it last night Let me pick up where I left off I felt like I had to watch the whole thing From a game to end It's a very rewarding experience If you watch the whole thing

[00:20:45] I think it's a movie about It's a movie about time Obviously in Christopher Nolan It's obsessed with time But it also is There's just something about Sticking in it And riding it through You know So I always would restart it I'd never made it through To the end

[00:21:00] Since it came out in theaters Until last night Okay I watched it after the premiere Are you crazy? I'm a lunatic I almost texted you On like Sunday or Monday To say like Griffin Watch Interstellar like today Like watch as soon as you can

[00:21:15] You really should have done that Because it's very long And I just want you to have seen the movie And not be faced with Like having to fucking watch it You know Yeah At the last minute I really wish you had done that I put my phone

[00:21:26] I was like I can't run his life for him Like I feel like I bother him too much I put my phone You should run my life My life is in shambles You should have tapped on those books On the bookcase And sent me a message

[00:21:35] To watch Interstellar last Saturday David I'm like making dust Binary or whatever Okay so for the listener at home That is ostensibly what David's doing But the way he's acting it out Is like It looks like you're fencing There's something very regal You like have

[00:21:55] It's just funny in the Tesseract When he does that where he's like God what do I do Bang the books Okay And he has to like Reach over and make with his Pan These dust things Which is the beginning of the movie We can dive right in

[00:22:12] It's just on the bookshelf Is the bookshelf And the dust is gathering It's sort of floating down You've heard about ghost in the shell What about ghost in the shell You know what He actually just nailed The whole plot of Interstellar Right there Ghost in the shelf

[00:22:28] That's what it is I nailed it Hey Ben You didn't introduce Ben Do you not want to Are you that tired A little bit I kept on I was like Do I have the energy yet to like Alright I'm afraid I'm gonna like Start driving up

[00:22:42] And then lose energy And then have to Receive down the Incline Perseus band hi Are you Perduer band Oh here we go Okay Poet Laureate Yes The fuckmaster Paws Mr. Positive Dirt by Fanny So can put Fanny Speaking of dirt This is a dirty ass movie

[00:23:03] This is a dirty ass movie And it's a wet movie It's wet I mean alright It's a good thing I wrote this I like a good dirty actor I like what actors have to get dirty It's underlined It's underlined Because you know They're like

[00:23:18] On set dirty as hell all day That's so firm That's true You have to be dirty Right and it's like Sometimes even it's like Let's get some more dirt back on Can we get the dirt boy out Alright dirt boy And then Ben comes out

[00:23:28] He's in like a giant hamster wheel Let dirt boy out He's like There's a character In the tick It's not a spoiler Because she's one of the main characters Well also this Will probably be posting After the tick is online It will I hope you all like it

[00:23:48] But this character Miss Lint Who's one of the main villains Yes Who has like Electric powers Uh huh That's a side effect of that She has this like static electricity Sort of like down effect When she's not powered on So all this Lint constantly sticks to her Right

[00:24:05] So on set they just have like A bag of dryer Lint And in between takes they just have to like Put Lint all over her face That's great It was just great to watch like A makeup person come in And just apply like Just sprinkle Lint

[00:24:24] Ben is our finest film creator He is And he loves this movie He loves this movie Which gives it a lot of credibility In my eyes Mine too yeah And of course he's graduate student Tells with a course of different majors He's a Chicago Ben He's a Brunconovian

[00:24:37] Ben is Jean-Lan Benz It's a Benny thing Ailey Benz with a dollar sign of Warhouse Good job Great Uh he's gonna need a new Nolan name And I'm still into producer Bane More than any of the other ones Uh yeah I mean I think what

[00:24:49] The ones I'm hearing the most are Mabento Yeah Producer Bane Right Uh Hazel Ghoul Uh terrific And then someone throughout For this movie Ben Durant Yeah I love that But that's pretty uh No one's gonna fucking get me Yeah exactly that's pretty obscure Yeah

[00:25:10] Uh but uh I mean he is He has endured a lot from us Yes endured a lot Oh my god Yeah And he Bencepted us He did That's true I'm sorry I'm excited So this movie Uh but Ben was texting us

[00:25:32] Very excited yesterday about how much he loved this movie You had never seen it before I'd never seen it in this You skipped it in the theater Yeah but it was so good Uh I got very emotional At the end of the movie Uh I loved it

[00:25:44] I like space movies I like movies about time Yup And this was a movie where You know little confusing Yeah But it pays off at the end I will say the first time I saw it was in IMEX And it had the classic IMEX

[00:26:00] Problems where like some of the dialogue Drops out in weird ways And when there's a lot of action going on You're kinda like what are they saying And you know this is a movie It's not again not like Dunker You know they say things that are important

[00:26:11] Lot of talking Uh so you know and then I saw it A second time and it definitely helped Clarify things for me Okay Uh I'll say right off the bat Cause now we're gonna dig into the movie Yup Here's my thing with it Mmhmm

[00:26:24] I agree with what Ben just said I fucking love movies about space I love movies about time Two of my favorite subjects Space and time baby Love them Einstein he put them together Put them together Yup Doctor who? Doctor me I'm the one who loves Space and time

[00:26:41] Okay good Thank you Uh no no You're welcome Um I have Always And by always I mean the two times I've watched it in full Had a very hard time connecting this movie emotionally Interesting And I know the people who love it Mmhmm

[00:26:59] I think you I mean other people feel the same Agreed But the people who love this movie are like Who hits me like a ton of bricks When it fucking pays out at the end Oh boy I was in console I'm definitely right there It crushed me

[00:27:11] And I sit there watching this movie And I go like I love a lot of what's fucking happening here But your problem is I it doesn't break through for me Like do you see like the bricks land But they just don't land on you Yes Right

[00:27:23] It's sort of like And you're like there are the bricks And there's like some brick dust on you maybe It still mostly exists as like an intellectual exercise for me When I'm watching this movie That's fair Which is frustrating because I want to be very emotionally affected by

[00:27:35] I find the concept of the movie very emotionally affecting And when I saw the trailer I was like Oh shit this is going to destroy me Right Right Like I remember choking up the trailer And I was like oh my god it's about a dad being trapped

[00:27:47] Like trying to get back to his dog You've already said on the podcast how much you love the promotional Like stuff for this movie Like you love the trailers Yeah I think the trailers for this movie were masterful Uh yeah

[00:27:57] And fall into that category of trailers that I consider to work On their own as fully functional short films Yeah You know Yeah Like I think that trailer has an arc to it Mm-hmm And tells a really complete story I should rewatch it My Twitter avatar Uh huh

[00:28:16] Which is sort of a picture of me with like It looks like I had my head in my hands Celebrating It's actually me watching the interstellar trailer Really When it posted, the day it posted Oh really Because I worked at The Wire and Joe Reed

[00:28:29] Past and future guest Mm-hmm Who used to sit across from me Took a picture of me because I was obviously so like lost In the trailer It looks like you're having a nervous breakdown It looks like I'm freaking out I'm not

[00:28:39] I think I'm actually just sort of like Intense Concentrating and sort of blocking out a little bit of light Around my eyes So I can see it a little better Yeah The dying of the light Yeah Uh exactly rage Rage Rage Rage Rage She was only 19 years old

[00:28:55] Um She was only a podcast So Um this is not like a matrix reloaded Where I have some like Like Thought through You know like Theory in the movie or something You're not going to tell us a seraph or a password Exactly Well that was good though

[00:29:13] When I did that right Yeah You was a login screen baby Yeah you fucking killed it Seraph's a login screen I love that idea Someone's like I hate the matrix reloaded And I'm like I turn in my chair and I'm like Seraph's a login screen And they're like

[00:29:27] What They like turn into green code Do you know Do you remember what my reaction was When you said that on the podcast I just remember you getting very excited I don't remember Yeah I believe it was a frustrated excitement Where I went like Oh god

[00:29:42] Yeah right exactly You were like I already like it more Oh no That's good It's working Right exactly Like I injected something into you Like I can feel it It's like fire in my veins Also all those keys So many keys A lot of keys

[00:29:58] That's Ben's finest moment That is I believe when we named him The finest film critic actually We did Yeah Okay but take us through the movie David It starts on a show It starts As a no no I was just gonna finish But like this isn't

[00:30:16] I just love this movie Yes Very deeply Like that's mostly what It's more of a Jerry McGuire Okay Where someone's like If someone's like I don't like this scene And I'm like Oh but that seems great All of the scenes are great It's great Everyone's great

[00:30:30] You don't gotta take You just love it You just keep jamming on this movie I think I know what he's going for Like I have a take on Like the themes He's like plumbing And all that But like But like it's not like I had some radical take

[00:30:41] And I also just like It's really a movie for me Cause it is about space I love space movies It's my kind of space movie It's It's Looks so good It has a robot called Tars It does have a robot It has a wormhole called You Tars Wormhole

[00:30:55] Yeah It's got three different planets That they go to Which is like My favorite shit in the world Is the Like thinking about How planets would work Like Sure I love it You know who doesn't Get enough credit Case Case is good too

[00:31:11] I feel like everyone always talks about this When we're like Case and Tars They both do a lot of work Weird brick robot But you know Tars goes into The wormhole I mean to the back hole Tars is a hero He also saves a brand Yeah he does

[00:31:23] He does Does he? Or is that case? I thought that was Tars I can't remember No that's the thing Like case is definitely doing shit too Yeah You do think that all Brick robots look the same I mean They are basically designed to Be the same Anyway

[00:31:39] Starts on a shelf Starts with like Ponzi Conzamer Greatest score he's ever done In my opinion I kind of agree Right up there with What my other option would be Which is the thin red line Which I think is Like a perfect score as well

[00:31:56] Apparently Nolan went to him And gave him Like a series of restrictions Right Well the story I've been told Or read is like He went to him And the movie wasn't He certainly didn't show him any of the movie He gave him like these pages that was like

[00:32:09] About the emotional themes of the movie Essentially about the father's Daughter shit And he was like I want you to read this And I want you to like Write some music about it And he came up with a Like a lot of the main themes

[00:32:23] And Nolan was like perfect Like great Start from there And just keep going I just remember hearing And I don't remember where I heard this I think it was an interview with Sammer where he said that Nolan came to him And he said like He wanted to Avoid

[00:32:36] The typical sound That a score for a movie like this would have Yeah, that right For a space movie Not to use string sections Yes, you're right Yeah, he didn't want strings He didn't want like big drums Right You know, because he knows He's making a 2001

[00:32:52] Kind of movie But that's what's sort of Immediately Because the Trailers used Dario Marinelli's score From V for Vendetta Interesting Which is a really excellent score But it's a very emotional, traditional Kind of swelling Uprise Orcastral score Yes, beautiful score Very underrated score But

[00:33:15] Immediately when this movie started And then it has this weird Like Hans Zimmer haunted organ music Yeah That feels like it's like What fucking The Abominable Doctor Phiebs would play When like bringing people into his lair I was like Oh, this is strange Like this is

[00:33:32] Very melancholy organ Yes A lot of organs Which is a very different sound Than you're expecting to hear In this movie It is And then when the movie When the score is more up-tempo It's this sort of like Clanging, loud organ That's incredibly repetitive

[00:33:47] It sounds like a panic attack Which is amazing Yeah And the score is also Very useful in like The movies like Most quietly audacious thing Which is just when McConnaghey leaves the farm And you're just You're on his face crying And the score's going wild

[00:34:08] I think it's called Stay is the track And then you cut Right from that Right to the rocket launching No explanation of like anything else Like there's no more like Building the team or you know How like them talking about Like what will we do

[00:34:25] It's just right to the rocket launch Well and that's Because he's made the decision to leave So he's like we're leaving But also a big element That's the way that we have to discuss Which is one of the most audacious things Is silent space Yeah, he does that

[00:34:38] Which is great Which gravity which should come out a year before Also I believe in I don't believe I know embraced You know there's no sound in space And the first time I really remember That happening was in Well is it in 2001? I mean 2001's so music heavy

[00:34:54] Right that's the thing I mean it's not just that He doesn't have sound effects It's the fact that he has these Stretch these long extended shots Where you're seeing crazy things happening There are no sound effects And there's no music And there's no dialogue Right

[00:35:08] That it's just a stunning amount of silence For a movie Especially when you're in like A fucking IMAX theater And you're used to all the bombast Yes it's very overwhelming And suddenly it was just like You know An image that looks like It's out of a planetarium documentary

[00:35:21] But in the context of a narrative feature Yes, yes it is very powerful Right and you're not hearing the sort of like Anything Anything kind of engine noise Or as you shouldn't Because there's no sound in space And singing at midnight screening with a bunch of

[00:35:34] You know it was most Nolan Bros Like a pin could have dropped Because everyone was just like Yeah the fuck is this movie So I should say it actually I think Ben is going to say He's sticking up his finger Is that a question

[00:35:45] Is this the start of spinning In space? What do you mean? Please just explain I don't know Scriven died So like That one killed him So you know how like Welcome to blank check with David Now ships they spin So that you can Have gravity

[00:36:05] That's a theoretical concept Is this the start here though? No, Sunshine has the same idea Of spinning to create like G forces enough Strong enough that you could walk There's no actual like That's theory Like no one's ever pulled that off Spinning in space is now a thing

[00:36:24] Love to spin All of them are going to have spinning Spin time I guess so This is amazing I mean what am I supposed to do? I just want to cry Just enjoy Just enjoy I just know I just had that thought about it

[00:36:36] I can't think of anything I can't think of anything else Oh you know what Armageddon actually has A spinning in space concept When they land on the Russian space station With Peter Stormair And he's like Yes I will now do spinning Because obviously they're just like

[00:36:50] We can't fucking do 20 minutes of the movie in zero G 2001 has the spinning wheel as well But he's like running Right but now it's all that Yeah spinning Spinning Oh space movies So Earth is having a dust bowl crisis Right after the shelf we see these

[00:37:09] Images from the Ken Burns documentary The Dust Bowl Right from it Except for the interview with Ellen Burstin Where they're talking just about how the dust bowl worked Where there was a lot of dust Right And the crops were failing Right it's weird because like Nolan's kind of

[00:37:26] It feels like he's pulling a reds Yeah sure sure Where you're like putting a documentary element into A narrative future But it's about the future Right But it's about the past And you can kind of tell like the Those people are too real to be actors

[00:37:43] Except for Ellen Burstin Except for Ellen Burstin You're like that's Ellen Burstin But she's good I mean she fits in I agree 100% She's a great actor She pulls it off But you kind of immediately go like Oh this is weird

[00:37:55] He's used footage of people who lived through the real dust bowl And repurposed it as People talking about From the past From the future Yeah no The events that we're about to see unfold Because what we are actually seeing And when you're seeing it the first time

[00:38:12] You don't even think about this But like then later you might realize Like oh if they're old That means we do survive the dust bowl Because we survive it So that someone can make a documentary about it And what we're seeing is like museum pieces

[00:38:23] In the future space stations Humans are going to live in The rep of kind of house After escaping Earth Right Which I love I love that yeah I do I love any like in A.I I love any movie where there's like monuments to us Blue Fairy

[00:38:40] So Earth is failing This is actually This is a movie we'll talk about it This is very, was inspired by science Like you know like it was like Kip Thorne This physicist wrote like a story treatment For Steven Spielberg That was the genesis of Interstellar Right

[00:38:57] Hired Jonathan Nolan to write it Right Steven Spielberg basically talked to Or whatever Liked this book that Kip Thorne had written And he was like I want to do a sci-fi movie That's rooted in like actual concepts of astrophysics So yeah he hires Jonathan Nolan

[00:39:08] To work with Kip Thorne And I think another, I forget another scientist Yeah And like why don't we do that Make that real movie Spielberg's got a lot of things in the hopper So you know Yeah this is like in 2008 or 7 Or something sort of around there Yeah

[00:39:24] And all we know is like it's a movie about like black holes That's all that was like really released But I'm just saying this because the crop failure shit That's actually the most fanciful part of the movie Yes I agree There's no dustball that would just ravage Earth

[00:39:38] Right I mean that we can conceive of it Sure But still it's a cool idea It's a cool idea My favorite thing about this And I know so much about this fucking movie Yeah Is he shot the movie in Oregon Okay Because he wanted them to plant

[00:39:54] Tons of real cornfields near mountains Where none exist Because cornfields are all in the flat part of America But he wanted the extremely strange Look of cornfields underneath mountains Which of course is not something any viewer Is really gonna pick up on

[00:40:10] Except maybe quietly like in the back of their head You'd think about that And man plant a corn on mountains Isn't that wild Oh man Plant a corn on mountains Because the idea is that it's the only crop That is surviving in America now is corn

[00:40:25] Like it was someone some asshole Next door tried to make some ochre Now he's gonna burn it I do love that scene where they have the dinner later In the movie it's just four different types of corn Yeah he's like your fritter It's great

[00:40:38] All they got is this gross corn What I was getting at was They had popcorn at the ballpark too John Lithgow doesn't like it I want to pop a hot dog I can't do John Lithgow my voice is too burnt He is hard to do

[00:40:51] But if you get him right He's an awesome person I feel like I could do it If I was batting at full voice You know how people bat at full voice Yeah What I was gonna say was just that

[00:41:02] Yes the script was developed as a Spielberg movie first Right And then it wasn't really going anywhere No I can't remember if Spielberg just Oh no it was that Spielberg moved DreamWorks From Paramount to Disney Right And could no longer make it Correct Because this was under Paramount

[00:41:20] Interstellar was under Paramount So So Jonathan was like Jonah was like hey why doesn't Don't you want to do it Chris Like you can do it Chris had like crazy blank checks at this point For sure And could make whatever he wanted

[00:41:33] And had so much cache that he was able to Go to Paramount and go like You own the script that I want But also I'm always rolling with the bros Yeah so the bros have to be involved Yeah get my bros in here The Warners Yeah

[00:41:44] So it's a co-production Do you want to know something though Yes In Always In exchange For bringing in the Warner Brothers Uh huh To co-produce, co-finance this movie Friday the 13th Paramount was allowed to co-finance Friday the 13th And have a steak in a future film

[00:42:01] Based on South Park Oh right Bizarre They thought they were going to make another South Park movie Yeah Uh and also They agreed to let Paramount co-finance A co-determined A-list Warner's property Which I believe I don't think it's ever happened Legendary meanwhile Uh who has also

[00:42:23] Worked with him on the Batman movies Right who was at Warner Brothers forever now Is that universal Agreed to forgo Uh being part of Batman vs Superman In exchange to be part of this So people really wanted to make this movie Yeah They were like This is Nolan

[00:42:38] It finally gets agreed to in 2012 Right after Dark Knight Rises Or maybe right before So they're like This is Nolan Inception worked Like pushing all the chips Making an original Nolan film Is now like as big as Making a Batman movie Right they were just

[00:42:54] This is the hottest thing in the world We gotta be part of it I don't get Batman vs Superman fuck it Who are they? I've never heard of them That deal is so weird because it's like Friday the 13th was Paramount for a while

[00:43:05] And then the franchise went over to New Line And New Line made like the last four of them Sure they're really shitty ones Right um so that was like this Weird child that was like Split between the two of them And then Comedy Central used to be

[00:43:18] Warner Brothers and Paramount together And then in the early 2000s Paramount bought out Warner Brothers at their steak So like South Park is the other thing That's like split between the two of them It's so weird It's like those are weirdly the two properties

[00:43:31] That those two studios each have like a steak in So they were like I don't know What can we do to like Make this deal worthwhile There was for a long time They said they were going to make another Friday the 13th After the last one

[00:43:42] And for whatever reason I was listed on that IMDb For a really long time There was like Friday You could see Jason bearing a machete in your face They had a date because it was Linked up to one year where Friday Landed on a thick

[00:43:57] Yeah no it's always like Wednesday Friday the 13th In October So I think the last remake was like 2009 and 2010 And then they were going to do one in like 2013 And I was listed There was no information There was no director attached I don't know how that happened

[00:44:11] Because I added myself to the Beverly Hills Cop 4 IMDb page Of course we know this I listed myself as Axel Foley Jr. Because I was trying to Will it into existence But that was me That was me playing a goof Someone else added me for Friday the 13th

[00:44:27] And it got picked up by other places For a while people I got tweets From horror fans asking me Like what's up with Friday the 13th I was like I did nothing I have an audition Okay Alright I'm getting back to the context

[00:44:39] Now I'm barreling through this context I love it Context So Nolan, Johnny Nolan Jonah Wrote this screenplay Chris takes this screenplay And throws out most of it Which is kind of interesting But he kept the first 45 minutes to an hour The Dust Bowl stuff Interesting

[00:44:58] That was the stuff he kept He changed That's my favorite section of the book Interesting He changed everything All the space stuff I believe you can find the original script I've never read it Okay And he saw an early cut Of the film Mud The Jeff Nichols film

[00:45:16] He's speaking of And saw Matthew McConaughey in it And thought this guy's kicking ass In this movie And that was sort of the beginning Of phase two of the McConaissance McConaissance had just started percolating Right Because Magic Mike comes out In 2012 But a little later Right

[00:45:36] I think Lincoln Lawyer isn't Excited enough as That is the beginning Right That's a solid little movie Right When it came out and people were like Ugh And then it came out Like before it came out And it all fucked up And then they see it

[00:45:49] And they're like Oh actually And it did surprisingly well Then it's His 2012 Magic Mike Supporting role sort of Renaissance thing It's like Ooh killed it Got close to an Oscar now For Magic Mike Didn't get it Mud had screened a con But like didn't really blow up there

[00:46:04] Wasn't very well received Jeff Nichols talked about How he got critically trashed And didn't come out until Like a year later But it actually Also did surprise It was a very big hit And so But I just think it's interesting To me how These things are not

[00:46:19] That these trends happen Before the movies have even come out Like Dallas Buyers Club comes out a year Before Interstellar But he cast him a year before It came out Like But like they just kind of know In Hollywood I just I remember I remember

[00:46:33] Ring some interview with Nolan Where he said that he went to them And they said So who do you want for the lead And he said Matthew McConaughey And they said Are you fucking kidding Yeah You're a Christopher Nolan You can literally get anybody

[00:46:44] Why do you want the ghost And he said Like I've seen this movie Mud I think he's really popping And then It's like the one time I've seen Nolan pat himself On the back in an interview Right Where he was like They thought it was crazy

[00:46:56] And now they think I'm really smart that I got them McConaughey Before he won the Oscar Right Exactly And this becomes Like his like victory lap movie Like after he And this is sort of The end of the McConaughey Sadly Which I think He's so wonderful

[00:47:10] In this movie I think this is kind Of secretly his best performance It is an outstanding performance It's astonishing And it's a performance that It might be Yeah Didn't get any credit at the time Because it is Not solely enough In service of the movie It's kind of

[00:47:25] Thankless work Because like Douse Byers Club He's like giving it his all But it's a very showy Character piece Yeah You know I don't care for that movie But I mean he's good I don't either I don't like that movie I think he's very good

[00:47:39] But this is like He's really just kind of like Bringing this movie on his back And it's a complicated performance That he's doing with like This really bizarre economy He got to this state Where somehow it's like Like he found oil in the ground

[00:47:57] It's like at some point in 2011 Matthew McConaughey somehow Like found an access port To all of the world's emotions Look He does some amazing stuff In this movie Regarding that Yeah Right like he just sort of Like all of the emotions And then this movie is like

[00:48:13] Him trying to figure out how to Show as little as possible That's the thing Right And also not let go of his Draw and his sort of like Classic onscreen persona It's like a real movie And he's got the weird physicality He's got the weirdest neck in movies

[00:48:30] He does have He always has those odd angles And he was sort of in this weird He looks like Groot He does He's very sinew in this Because it was like Post-Alas Byers Club Like he's got the weight back But not quite Kind of

[00:48:44] There's something a little stretched about him And tight And he's got the bronze skin Like everything's odd about him He's tasked with saying a lot of Sciencey shit Not as much maybe As some of the other characters But still a lot And having these conversations with

[00:49:01] Especially with the astronauts About relativity and stuff That should be bad There's no Like it just shouldn't work It shouldn't be suited to it And he is very natural With all that stuff Which is great Especially I feel like Movie stars with very distinctive personas Usually belly flop

[00:49:21] Hard when asked to do that Right Like look at I know it's a very different movie But like Mark Wahlberg And the happening Sure You know you just go Like that's Mark Wahlberg I don't buy that he's a scientist He sounds like Mark Wahlberg

[00:49:32] He looks like Mark Wahlberg That's the worst version of it Right But I feel like I'm not thinking of other examples now But I feel like there are other examples So like his persona is too big To accept him spouting jargon You know I do Somehow McConaughey's like

[00:49:47] Threading this needle in this movie Where he's like doing full McConaughey And also fully disappearing Into the tapestry of what the movie Is asking him to do He offered McConaughey the role On the set of True Detective Which he was making He goes over to Northern Ireland

[00:50:03] And he offers Jessica Chastain The role on the set of Miss Julie Her blockbuster hit Yes We're gonna do Livolman next For Blanchak, right? Yeah of course He hires Hoyt Because Wally Pfister is busy Making transcendence He uses even more IMAX than ever before

[00:50:23] Hoyt figures out a way to like Make a mobile IMAX camera Like and there's this picture On the Dunkirk set Where he's got it on his fucking shoulder And you're like how the hell did he do that? It's huge That guy's shoulders must look Rough

[00:50:35] He's like Freddie Rodriguez In Lady in the Water With the one big arm And they figured out how to put An IMAX camera in a Learjet To do aerial photography They figured out how to do it For interior scenes It's crazy They shot in Alberta And Oregon

[00:50:56] And places like that For the Dust Bullship They shot in Iceland On the glaciers For the glacier planet And they shot I shot from The Secret Life of Walter Mitty That country The weirdest reference you've ever made Sure And then they filmed in LA For a long time

[00:51:19] You know they did Studio Ship Okay And then the movie came out And I loved it and I cried Anyway so And half the way he just said Hey stick with me kid Well right she's been in Dark Knight Rises He brings her back

[00:51:31] I guess she's the, I mean Cain's back Yes I think that's it though Like it's actually pretty light For Nolan players Well William DeVayne of course Who famously plays president He's back In The Dark Knight Rises And now he plays the NASA president Yes Or something

[00:51:44] This is one of those movies where It's odd how like every little Two line part like that is Someone crazy Like Davidiella-wo or whatever Right Like that point when you Topher Grace Topher Grace When they have dinner with The grown up Casey Affleck And his wife

[00:52:01] I'm just like Oh his wife is just an actress Right his wife is Pretty much the only person Right his wife is an Angela Lansbury Like you're like Ready for like everyone in this movie To be someone who's like one of Tony You know Oh boy yeah sure

[00:52:15] Who plays his wife actually I have no idea Leia Karnes Okay But isn't even like the nurse At the end of the movie Who lets McConaughey She's very familiar It's I think it's what's her name I always forget her name She's such a good actress

[00:52:31] Who plays the woman who gets Kidnapped in Sons of the Lambs Oh Lois Smith yes no It is Lois Smith She's the nurse who just directs him To Ellen Burson's room Right There's another nurse character Who I was thinking of Who's familiar as well

[00:52:44] But that's what I'm thinking of And it's like Nolan's got so much Caché that he could just be like Lois Smith you want to come and Do You want to do literally just like Oh yeah it's right over there Right why not have every line

[00:52:52] Be delivered by someone Who is He's almost now like a level Where people are like sure Yeah I'll do it Yeah it's fine Great great great great What do I do? Great Cause the yellow one kind of already Popped at this point He was building

[00:53:04] He's in the middle of poppin He's poppin Cause it's the same year as Selma isn't it Yeah Selma comes out this year Yeah Anyway He'd already reached Jack reaching Yeah Good job thank you I love you For the listener at home I was Reaching But not Jackin

[00:53:21] David tell them what I'm doing He's jerking off And Reaching So in this dust bowl world They live on a farm There's no like armies anymore There's no like technology anymore really It's kinda given up It's basically just like We just gotta make food

[00:53:40] And scratch out and survive Because there has been There's these sort of unspecified Like references to like wars That happened and are done And like old countries That kind of just don't even Really exist anymore You know what I mean It's just sort of like And

[00:53:56] Too much dust Just a lot of fucking dust A lot of Really dirty It's very dirty And like the schools are mad At McConaughey's character Who is a pilot and engineer Who now has to run a farm For like teaching his daughter Murph Played by who's young Murph

[00:54:13] She's so good It's a Mackenzie Foy Yeah yeah So good Excellent Teaching her about like The moon landings and ship Because the new thing is like No no we didn't even go to space That was all fake Just to gin up money for the Soviets

[00:54:26] Because like it was like propaganda Right an awesome scene with David Yellowo and what's your name Klett Wolfe Yeah who's great Who's such a good actor Love her Love her But the two of them are just like Oh you're just like bringing in

[00:54:40] Like home run hitters to deliver Like a scene of just like laying Track essentially She's been great on what's it called You're the worst recently Oh I need to watch that So good in that But yeah I love that notion That America is just kind of like

[00:54:53] Given up Right And that they've like folded into Like look it was all lies Like whatever It's just we can't go there anymore Yeah right But There are weird gravitational anomalies Happening at their farm That make dust Fall into Lines and books fall off the Shelf And Coop

[00:55:14] Who is Conahey Joseph Cooper Is his actual name No one ever I don't think anyone calls him Joe He's Coop Because Yeah Murphy Cooper More people call him by his middle name Robin He's also Timothy Chalamet Who's gonna be a big star this year Yes

[00:55:32] And call me by your name right Yes He's young Tom He's the son His son likes to farm But his daughter likes to science Right And he doesn't like that They're already writing off his son They're saying you can't go to college College is a very selective thing

[00:55:43] They don't want to waste the resources At this point you don't go to college Unless you really have to Just farm Right They want everyone to be farming That's what we need So unless you are Like beyond exceptional They could just pick up a hoe

[00:55:56] Yeah it's time to farm Pick up a hoe And hoe those fields Hoe them away And then you've got What do you do with a hoe Do you hoe or so We gotta We gotta move on Okay Lithko Shut up It helps break up the dirt Lithko

[00:56:11] Is Donald Oh hoeing Hoeing okay Donald who is his Father-in-law Yes He's his dad which is delivered In this slightly sweaty convoluted Thing where he's like Well he used to have MRI And that would have got my wife's Cancer Or whatever Oh we lost it at the end

[00:56:30] Yeah I could have had It was good for a bit I'm not trying to do You were cruising and then you Crash back on MRI I can say it like You know what I mean But you know that scene Where they're like Your son should be a farmer

[00:56:42] And he's like Yeah farming cancer I don't know Like you know where he Just works it around So he can tell us that his wife Died a cancer He's also You know He's great in the scenes I'll say this You know like Nolan Is not a filmmaker

[00:56:55] Who overuses close ups Which I think a lot of people Do these days Sure I think too many movies are Shot as just Shot reverse shot close up And it's just faces So close ups don't have Any power anymore Because you abuse them But also you look

[00:57:08] At McConohan this movie And it's like God that's a full body Actor Like he sits weird In every scene You're right The way he cranes God angles Like this Yeah What do you like about Because you just said You like all of this Yes Why is this

[00:57:24] Like there's the early scene Where they They snare this drone Out of the sky On this sort of chase Through the corn fields That's like this busted old Indian Air Force drone Yes And it's like a metaphor Because they're like Can't we just let it roam Around

[00:57:38] He's like it's got to adapt You know Like it's got to learn to farm Okay the rest of us Pure things I like about this I'm trying to think Other stuff that happens But they go to the baseball game I like that

[00:57:47] In the way that AI is this weird Like Kubrick filter through Spielberg thing This feels like Spielberg filter Through Nolan Sure, sure There's an interesting kind of Handshake going on here I did not know that back story That this is pretty much the section

[00:58:02] That was kept in tact This is right The Joe Nolan stuff But that makes a lot of sense To me I think Spielberg would have Made this feel a lot more Magical isn't the world Because it's obviously You know what I'm saying Spielberg-y Yes, Spielberg-y

[00:58:18] But I like that this is such a Mundane, boring dystopia Sure Do you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like I like that too This is what it is Yeah And it's like Basically Earth is basically dead Yes But it doesn't mean that we're dead

[00:58:35] Or that the people Like that the plants are dead Right It's just like We just kind of quietly know This is we're close to it I love that kind of tone Which I think this movie conveys perfectly And I like that they don't over-explain stuff

[00:58:48] In this section of the movie That there's just the kind of like The little details I think this is when they interweave In a lot of the dust bowl Talking head stuff Which I just find really interesting To the rhythm of the movie Yeah, all those little details

[00:58:59] Of like turning your plates over Love that shift Love that shift And then the other thing I think this section of the movie Has going forward So visually I think this shit Hoid van Hoidema does With these landscapes is unbelievable I just think this is the section

[00:59:12] Of the movie where McConaughey is so fucking in the pocket Because he's so good with the kids He's great His connection with especially obviously Murph Which is so crucial to what the movie's going to do Is in my opinion done very well

[00:59:27] Because this thing that McConaughey tapped into Not cheesy As an actor where he just found this Undercurrent of emotion And figured out how to Restrain as much as possible Use his charisma to keep himself engaging But not feel the need to show What he's feeling

[00:59:40] Is really powerful in the stuff with the children Because it feels like a very, very specific depiction Of eternal love That I feel like I don't often see actors play In a way that gets me this emotionally Even just the way he puts his arms around her

[01:00:01] Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying Touches the sun He's a very interesting actor He's a body language He's a really interesting actor He's It's a little heightened Like every moment he's on screen with one of the kids In the movie, I just go like

[01:00:11] God, this dad loves his kids so much And he's so fucking worried for them Because of the state of the world And I find that very heartbreaking And he cannot really accept this idea Where it's like that he's being told over and over And everyone's just like

[01:00:25] We have to adapt We have to farm We can't look at the stars Which is like what he was sort of trained to do When he was an engineer There's also almost like a Brad Bird element To this section of the movie Where it's like an anti-exceptionalism

[01:00:37] Sure, sure, sure Like let's just settle for just like Pick up a hoe Right, right That Brad Bird strain is very clear So this whole section is hitting on a lot of things That I really like And I just think like McConaughey's like throwing straight heat

[01:00:50] So let me move us through What happens is They follow these gravitational anomalies That keep fucking everything up around them And we later learn actually fucked up His big test flight When he was a test pilot Which you see glimpses up in his dreams

[01:01:06] But they've been going on for decades That's what I mean And it takes them to A weird abandoned place Him and Murph And it's like NASA It is NASA And this NASA who are operating in secret They are taken in by Tars A robot A good, good friend

[01:01:23] In my opinion The greatest thing that's ever happened to society I don't know if you guys agree So here's the thing about Tars Tars He fucking rules Is a robot He's the best He is Is he three I think he's four Three or four He's four

[01:01:42] What do you call it Like just like Fucking what's the word for I don't know how you even describe it It's a very obvious word That I'm not cylinder But the sort of cuboid shape That's long and thin Anyway A rectangle? But in three dimensions Oh, a trapezoid?

[01:02:01] No, a trapezoid is four-sided Rectangle and three A rhombus? I'm throwing out terms now You're having fun though I like it But anyway, yeah He's four rectangles I guess is the easiest way to put it He's like a bunch of popsicle sticks Right

[01:02:17] And he could unfold them into more popsicle sticks If he wants to Right, and he mostly stays in brick formation But the four popsicle sticks can kind of go out And to walk he like sort of Like two rectangles, two rectangles Two rectangles, two rectangles Let's say this

[01:02:30] I think we're wasting time describing Tars If you've seen the movie People will know what Tars is like I just think it's kind of delightful to try If you haven't seen the movie Look up Tars Tars is great

[01:02:39] Even if you're not going to watch the rest of the film Look up Tars You'll thank us later Trust me, you want to look at Tars He is played by Bill Irwin The great Bill Irwin The great Bill Irwin who is Does a lot of physical acting

[01:02:51] On stage He's a clown One of our greatest living clowns But also a good actor He does the voice and puppetry of Tars He just does the puppetry of Case The other robot Josh Stewart is the voice of Case Who is Josh Stewart?

[01:03:05] I could have sworn it was Jeffrey Tambor It is not Jeffrey Tambor Wait, do you actually... Oh no, go ahead Oh my god I'm so disappointed Ben, what are you talking about? So I wrote Tars as Jeffrey Tambor In Arrested Development

[01:03:20] Because the whole time I was convinced that was him I don't know Is this a bit or did you actually think it was Jeffrey Tambor? I have no idea if it's a bit or no You know, I want to dine them

[01:03:31] But I don't let them tell me what to do It's my favorite Tambor line in Arrested Development So you write that down, work for work You're reading it off of your notepad I don't let them tell me what It is, that is arguably the funniest thing

[01:03:46] That ever happened in Arrested Development Right? I don't Like when he turns around and looks at the dolls That's why it might have been in Season 2 The best of Arrested Development Because Tambor in the attic is so weirdly rewarding They like write themselves into the biggest corner

[01:04:03] Where he can't leave the attic And they find so many ways to have fun with it The one where he uses the hot tub to make ramen or whatever My single favorite joke is from that plot line My favorite Arrested Development joke is

[01:04:19] That I have to tell you I have pop-pop in the attic And he goes, the mere fact that you called that Tells me that you're not ready But there's so many vert-like words like How do you pop like from the Nazis or whatever Like the Anne Frank jokes

[01:04:33] Anyway, no Tars is voiced by Bill Irwin Josh Stewart's just like an actor He's into Dark Knight Rises Oh interesting He plays Barsad I don't know who that is Irwin said when he got hired he didn't know what he was playing

[01:04:45] And then he thought he was just playing the voice of the robot And then he was like, oh fuck this is why they hired me Because they want me to operate this brick He operated it And they digitally removed him Which is wild

[01:04:56] I think there are a couple shots I feel like when Tars turns into like full asterisks Yeah sure that's CGI Then it's full CGI But most of the movie it's like Full asterisks by the way Perfect Well put When that happened for the first time in a movie

[01:05:11] I could not stop giggling I was so happy when that happened And it's in a very stressful moment of the movie And why it's so good is When it happens You are very stressed out Because Tars has to rescue her And you're like he's so slow

[01:05:25] How is he gonna get there And then he goes like And then starts rolling And you're like I can't believe I didn't think of that I'm so happy We will drop in David Reese right here Can we play it now? Let's set it up

[01:05:37] Yeah let's play it right now Let's explain it Let's talk about Yeah yeah yeah David Reese friend of the show, past guest Yeah he's on the A.I. app A great friend of ours And of mine I would say I recently flew Delta

[01:05:48] And season two of Going Deep with David Reese Was available there Which is not very easy to find Very hard to find So if you're on an airplane Take Delta Great way to spend your time Um so He loved When I was talking to him about this movie

[01:06:01] He was like I didn't really love Interstellar But I love Tars I love that bit where he turns into a thing And he rolls around And he was like Could I just like do five minutes on Tars And you drop it into the episode

[01:06:12] That was what he asked of me We're gonna play David Reese's This is a new segment We're calling Tars Talk with David Reese Hi guys this is David Reese With your Interstellar Robot Report When David told me you guys were discussing This Christopher Nolan movie

[01:06:28] I was very excited because One of the few things I remembered about it Was the moment when the robot Just goes completely buck wild on the water planet And basically turns into a fidget spinner And Hall's asked to save The lady scientist

[01:06:46] The only other thing I remember from the movie Of course was the nine dimensional Hallmark bookshel- Hallmark movie bookshelf Tesseract I do think this is a really Unsatisfying movie It's what I would call a dumb smart movie As compared to something like Mad Max Fury Road

[01:07:05] Which is a smart dumb movie I think for all the praise That people heaped upon this movie For its scientific rigor In terms of accurately visually rendering a wormhole I think a lot of the actual Important science and time travel And creating Tesseracts and stuff Is completely incoherent

[01:07:27] So I kind of feel like Christopher Nolan Is having it both ways Which is that he gets some of that Yay science cred That bolsters what To me just seems like a total Googly mess Where gravity and love are the strongest Forces in the universe

[01:07:46] I'm sure gravity is, I'm not a physicist's love I'm not so sure about But anyway you didn't have me on to discuss My pretentious intellectual Judgments of the physics And metaphysics of interstellar I came on because I wanted to talk about TARS

[01:08:03] And then I have to admit to you David That I realized on rewatching the movie That I actually don't like TARS at all I like Case, the other robot I find TARS's humor setting And style of joking Again I feel like this is part and parcel

[01:08:20] With what I would call the recent Yay science genre I think TARS sounds like He would be performing comedy at the same open mic That Matt Damon would be performing at On Mars in his movie The Martian Which is also one of the least funny

[01:08:37] Funny movies ever made And so I really don't I love the look of TARS obviously And Case of course I like the abstracted Anthropomorphism Of these robots I like their sort of impossible Movements to me Maybe this is because I have A Extreme imaginative

[01:09:01] Poverty that I'm operating with But I find those robots And the way they move And the kind of production design Of those mechanical beings To be in a way more Interesting and more rewarding Than the super abstract metaphysical Tesseract space Which visually looks great

[01:09:21] But then the fact that Matt What I was going to say Matt Damon What's his name Matthew McConaughey can just kind of Float around from A bookshelf to bookshelf peeping on his daughter In different moments Felt too literal to me To be kind of

[01:09:39] To kind of do justice to the What would be so curious about that actual Space Again I Must refrain from criticizing Christopher Nolan And focus only on the robots This is the robot report And I should keep that in mind So I will just say this

[01:09:57] This is a long-winded preamble That my nut Which is as follows I think when they land on I think it's Miller's planet, the wave planet To me that whole sequence Is so great It's everything, it's sci-fi at its best Because the environment Is very dreamlike

[01:10:17] An endless ocean that Is also very shallow To me that is more authentically dreamlike And surreal and Wonder making than anything In his big dream Movie that you guys talked about Whose name I'm completely blanking on Inception I think that water planet is fantastic I think massive

[01:10:39] 100 story high waves coming out Of nowhere is also Very, I mean again I don't know about the physics of it You have to talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson About whether waves can operate like this But I find it very dreamlike And very surreal in a way

[01:10:55] And then when Matthew McConaughey tells Case to go get An hathaway and he just Busts the sickest move I've ever seen A robot ever do To me that scene is The highlight of the movie It has as much imagination And as much kind Of bewildering slightly Incomprehensible

[01:11:17] Dustings of future technologies And future ways of being To me that scene On that planet is the strongest In the movie and achieves What I think he wanted the entire Movie to achieve Which is a true sense of wonder And I am afraid that I am so

[01:11:35] Literal minded that to me The strange Physical motion of that Robot And the way it moves through the water Is much more captivating And I've spent much more time thinking about That than I ever have thinking about Oh can I go into a wormhole That my future great-grandson

[01:11:55] Is going to plant in the universe So I can hide behind a bookshelf And push books onto a dusty floor So my daughter will see The whole fucking movie makes no goddamn sense Okay so thank you so much For letting me Share my love of The robot case

[01:12:13] Team case, TARS Your humor setting should be set to zero Because even when it's operating at 90% Effectively at zero. Thank you To everyone for indulging me And goodbye blank chat podcast. See you in hell Thank you for that That has been TARS Talk with David Rees

[01:12:29] Tune in next week for another installment Of course during Dunkirk Because TARS is in Dunkirk He's a hero The thing I love about TARS Is It's such a weird design and then you look At it and you're like Right why would you design a robot to look

[01:12:47] Like a human? Right that's what No one told argument is like that makes no sense We already have humans. Humans can do that shit And he's supposed to be a war robot He was built for war and humans Are not built for war Easy to destroy

[01:13:01] It would be better if humans were walls That walked Yes, yes A walking wall would win all wars Like a very aggro wall too Yes and you get Mexico to pay for it Of course I just remember Hearing that The first time Danny Boyle used like a

[01:13:21] Red camera He was like what's all this junk And they were like well there's a camera this and that And he's like right the way a camera was built In the shape of it and the design of it

[01:13:31] Was because you needed all of that space to house the thing Right doesn't have to be in that shape Right so like Danny Boyle famously took apart The red camera and like took all the guts Of it and put it in a backpack

[01:13:41] And there's had a wire connected to the lens So that Anthony Dodd-Mantle could like Operate it and Tars is like off of That same logic which is like There's no reason for us to look like a person We think this, yeah exactly

[01:13:53] Just what's the simplest shape? A board And just that idea Of like the board it can unfold into A million boards like it's boards on Boards on boards It's so good and not only that I love Tars At the beginning of Tars He's kidnapped McConaughey

[01:14:11] Sorry Murph is missing Coob thinks something bad has happened And essentially a wall With a computer screen Is yelling at him and it's like How did you get here in this like booming scary voice But the other weird choice That Nolan makes

[01:14:27] McConaughey's like I'll turn you into a harvester He's like he's trying to fuck with Tars McConaughey's slipping away from you Oh I don't have it there, I only have Yeah that's what I've got I wish I had it otherwise Yeah Look if you got a good McConaughey

[01:14:44] In this business You're made baby Dark tower sketches for days Cook that chicken baby The thing I love about Tars Is that he made a decision not to Process or treat The audio in any way Right right it sounds like It's coming out of a speaker

[01:15:04] Well no what I like about it is It sounds like It's clearly the live audio recorded Oh you mean a verwin They don't make it sound Like it's coming out of any sort of Digital It sounds like he's just a guy in a room

[01:15:20] It's weird it's like disembodied It sounds very weird It sounds weird to me But I like that It's unnatural because they don't The whole point is that Tars has been designed To make people feel more comfortable so he's very conversational He's got this dumb sense of humor

[01:15:36] He has a light which is a perfect Nolan idea I think Nolan would prefer that we all had lights to indicate When we were joking like if we make a joke And then our eyes went like And he'd be like great it was a joke I get it

[01:15:50] Do you think he has like a red light For sarcasm like he has like various Lights he has like an irony like He has like a mood ring Go on No I just love that it's like This weird disembodied voice that follows

[01:16:04] The logic of just like well you're just Must feel comfortable because he's talking like a person Right But we're not going to make it sound I think it specifically doesn't sound like it's coming from a speaker Which is what I find interesting about it

[01:16:16] I mean like it doesn't matter We can't get into this right now I don't mean it sounds digitized in the right way I mean it literally sounds like he's Blaring but it doesn't matter Yes to me it sounds like he's yelling

[01:16:28] His lines from off camera which is what I like About it This reading is arc So if you want a personal look If, because I'm looking at NASA Which we can deal with very quickly Really everybody's just watching I mean, at NASA Yes

[01:16:45] Which we can deal with very quickly She is Dr. Amelia Brant Brrr Like She is the daughter of Kakaneh's old teacher Professor Brant I keep saying that, but it's true. And they're very friendly. They like putting a little scare and old koopie, but they're friendly. Old pals.

[01:17:12] And as they finally reveal to him, they are NASA, they're operating a secret and they are dealing with a wormhole that was no distance space underneath Saturn's rings 48 years ago that is to another galaxy. And in this wormhole are other worlds that we might live on.

[01:17:31] And they sent people into the wormhole to look at the planets. And now we've got to take ourselves in there. There's three that seem viable. The three astronauts. We're the two friends, they're the three astronauts. Correct. Competitive advantage in space travel. Yes.

[01:17:46] Makes some difference from all of the space travels. Exactly. There's three planets in one system that seem potentially viable. So they need Koop and some scientists to go in there with a big amount of jizz. They got a jizz probe. They got a lot of jizz.

[01:18:04] Full of human eggs. Like they've got like a population bomb is what they call it. Yeah, not since something about Mary has jizz been so central. And they want to essentially colonize a new world because Earth is dead. They have two plans.

[01:18:20] Plan B is what I just described, which essentially is go to a new world with the eggs, make new people, forget everyone else. But plan A is you go... You see this building here? Right. It's a spaceship.

[01:18:32] This building is a spaceship because of this wormhole and the shit we've been doing, we understand that gravity, which is the most crucial thing in this movie, is like a force that we might be able to harness.

[01:18:42] So maybe we can make this spaceship take off from Earth without fuel. And like we can start traveling at speeds that are much faster than just like... And take a lot of people with us. Exactly. And we're going to be able to do a new man race.

[01:18:57] And McConaughey is like, why do you need me to drive? You didn't even know I was alive until... Whatever. I mean, the point is this is when they get into the notion of like this weird sense of destiny. Someone was trying to communicate with you.

[01:19:12] He has been brought here by a gravitational anomaly. Gravity is what's driving them over to the wormhole. I think someone's trying to communicate with us. Because the concept is... You're gonna take off without me and he said, yeah, but we weren't gonna be prepared.

[01:19:24] We would never left the simulator. Right. We need a real pilot. You have been in a plane. You've been in a space plane. Right time. And wormholes, as anyone who studies theories of relativity know, are artificial constructs.

[01:19:34] They cannot exist as natural phenomenon because they require anti-energy to exist. Yes, we all know that. Because wormholes are bridges in spacetime and bridges in spacetime can't be sustained because there's no such naturally occurring anti-energy. But if you start a dark matter... Hey man.

[01:19:52] There's a lot of dark matter potential. There's potential because we don't know a lot about dark matter. We know basically nothing. Really nothing. Yeah. And we know even less about warp dark matter. You know warp dark matter, lead antagonist of Buzz Lightyear Space Command,

[01:20:05] the short-lived ABC spin-off Saturday morning cartoon show? No, I don't remember that. His name was Warp Dark Matter. I do our pause real quick. The antagonist of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, the short-lived ABC. It was part of one Saturday morning. It was maybe 20 episodes or two seasons.

[01:20:20] Can I tell you one thing about it? Can I tell you one thing about it? Because I actually have something to say about Buzz Lightyear's... Sure, well, you're right. It was a show. Yeah. It was a show.

[01:20:29] I once read an interview with the people behind that show in like Entertainment Weekly or something where they said that Buzz Lightyear's hair would never be seen. He'd always be wearing his little cowl that he has.

[01:20:38] And they were like, it's kind of like our version of like how you don't see Maris and Frazier. And I remember reading that and thinking like, are these people just idiots and who are bored? And they just said that? Or do they really think like, yeah, no.

[01:20:51] We need like a Maris joke for this Saturday morning space cartoon about Buzz Lightyear. But I will say I would have been very unnerved as a child if they ever showed us. It's true. It would be weird.

[01:21:02] It's just the way they said it where they were like that. And I was just like, that's just how he looks. I don't know if that counts as Maris on Frazier. Well, but like you see some of the other people take off their hoods.

[01:21:10] The other members do bits about it is what you're saying. Yes. I remember I was like so excited for that show. I was pumped and I went to see they did like a special screening of Toy Story 2. They're so crazy.

[01:21:22] At Lincoln Center and I went with my dad and they had like some Pixar people there doing a Q&A afterwards and showing like behind the scenes clips and whatever. Right. And at the Q&A someone asked about like, what about the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command

[01:21:33] and Midsummer? Anything you can tell us? And the guy was like, no comment. And I was like, oh, they don't like this show. No. Wow. Pixar's unhappy that this show exists. Of course they are. They're obsessed with their brand not being diluted.

[01:21:47] I'm sorry was I saying anti-camera is negative energy is what I'm talking about essentially. I watched all the extras for this podcast and one of the biggest extras called The Science of Interstellar has nothing to do with the movie and it's just

[01:21:59] Matthew McConaughey slowly explaining like basic concepts of relativity over, you know, like basic. It's great. I mean over basically like PBS style graphics of like wormholes and shit. That might honestly like really help me go to sleep. Quite nice. Anyway, let's get back into it.

[01:22:17] I fuck with Europa. It's Matthew. I just I'm sorry. I just want to clarify. So is Matthew McConaughey like it's like it's essentially like a science documentary. It's just a science documentary but instead of like Neil deGrasse Tyson doing the voiceover, it's Matthew McConaughey.

[01:22:29] You don't see him on screen. It's a soothing voice. Just his voice, his nice voice. But at a certain point is a turnout that he actually doesn't know all the science. It's his boyfriend science. And you can tell because he put a steel book in there. Yeah.

[01:22:44] And it's a real bummer. Your dick goes soft right away. All right. Essentially wormholes are a steel book. Damn it. Wormholes are artificial constructs. If they exist in reality, they would disappear within seconds. So if we want to stay, someone had to have put it there.

[01:23:04] So what is motivating NASA so much is that someone seems to be helping us. There seems to be an intentionality. They've given us a window into a habitable world essentially. A window, more like a shelf. Yeah, exactly.

[01:23:18] So this is, and of course the main thing is we know Cooper hates being a farmer. Yes. He doesn't want to live this pathetic life. He hates his son's going to be a farmer. Everyone's just giving up. But he does love Murr.

[01:23:30] He used to reach for the stars. Now we sit in a word. Now we reach for the tar. Place in the dark. He has that line. They passed the Tars, please. We have 40 minutes. You have to catch a train. I'm waiting for a train. Okay.

[01:23:50] So and as that cut I described that what I love here is after all this setup and there has been a lot. Yeah. It's just that thing of like, will you do it? And you see him say goodbye to Murr in this very crucial scene

[01:24:03] where she won't look at him. That's the scene where I was like, I am on the hook emotionally and he does it very well. And then I never... She does it well too, but he does it beautifully. What that scene is my peak emotional investment in the film.

[01:24:14] Like I was like, oh man, they're laying out the cards. This movie's going to destroy me. And I never get as emotionally invested as I do in that scene. That's fine. But I just think it's so good because he does a perfect job

[01:24:23] being very upset but also being very frustrated. I'm coming back. Yeah. He's trying to soothe her but he fucks up in some ways where he's like, huh, because of relativistic theory. I'll probably be, you'll be as old as me when I come back. And she's like, not helpful.

[01:24:37] No. Frightening. Hard pass on that. And not a performance review way. Exactly. He gives her his watch and she throws it against the shelves. She's not happy. She's not happy but I love how he plays both being very sad

[01:24:51] to leave her and very upset that this is their goodbye. And he doesn't have a choice. The ship's taking off. And that thing... He's got to catch a train. Him and the truck driving away crying. Yes. And the straight match, like the cut straight to the ship,

[01:25:05] the rocket taking off I think is so clever where it's like that emotional decision is what he had to do. Forget the training and everything. We don't care. Like it's that's what happened. I remember someone saying in a review for this movie

[01:25:18] that it felt like McConaughey must have spent straight days looking in the mirror, studying how his face works. He looks amazing when he cries in this movie. You know? Because I feel like weirdly the gift of him crying later,

[01:25:31] which we'll get to, has become this universal internet speak for absolute devastation. You know? It's the new when people would use the clip of George C. Scott and Hardcore. Right. Freaking out in the theater. Yeah. So they're on the point. They're on the spaceship. Yes.

[01:25:53] Endurance, which is pretty cool. Cool. It's a spin ship. It's a spinny ship. It has a couple of Rangers, which are these sort of little glidery things that can land and take off of planets. It's like a top with gliders on either side.

[01:26:09] And yeah, and it's got the population bomb in it and stuff like that. A bunch of jazz. A bunch of jazz. And his team is him. It's Dr. Amelia Brandt and Hathaway. It is Ramali, my sister who is played by David Giassi who had played. Interesting casting choice.

[01:26:26] I think he's wonderful. He's very different than my sister though. I mean, it's going to base it off of her. You're right. You're right. But he had played skinny prisoner in the Dark Knight Rises and Christopher Nolan was so taken with him that

[01:26:38] he cast him in this movie in between. He's in cloud out. Right. That's what I was going to say. But I mean, he liked him on the set of Dark Knight Rises. I guess. I don't know. He's so interesting. It's a really weird performance.

[01:26:50] The way he plays it is so great because he's playing it like a scientist in a way that I think is very realistic rather than the usual like scientist in these ships, in these movies. Yes. Where they're kind of like, oh well, you know, like I

[01:27:04] don't know, like the more sort of nerdy scientist. He's someone who is so lost in thought at all times. Yes. Anytime something's proposed to him, he sort of like looks away and he's like, hmm, yes. You know, like he has, he's so weird. He's very strange.

[01:27:19] He's doing something really, really specific. I think it's so good. And it's like a big bet. Like, but God, I don't even, I know you're going to hate this. So I'm like, hasn't even verbalized this. What is it? I think he because he's going for such a specific

[01:27:39] emotional tapestry of how a scientist would process these sorts of circumstances. I find his performance weirdly jars with Hathaway's. Yeah, but I think because, you know, it's like, it's hard to reconcile both of them being scientists in a way. Sure.

[01:28:00] Because Hathaway is an actor I like a lot. Yeah. I think this is my favorite in Hathaway performance in her career. See something about, I don't think there's anything wrong with her performance. Something about this character doesn't work

[01:28:12] for me and I still can't figure out what it is. Like watching a second time, I think my part where I don't fully get on board with the movie is something with her. I'm tarzing on the table here. Trying to figure it out.

[01:28:25] But you know, I think Nolan cast her and cast McConaughey because this is a movie that could be very, very cold and he wanted to cast two very emotional available accessible actors in these lead parts. And Hathaway's like an open wound. Very vulnerable. Right?

[01:28:43] And that's what people who don't like her don't like about her and those people are wrong. Okay. But I think she is so emotionally accessible. Right. And Gaiassi is making this really interesting choice to play someone who like only is able

[01:29:01] to figure things out in terms of numbers on a spreadsheet in a weird way. But I think, well anyway, we got to move on. Yeah. He's sort of like more of what we've been told of the scientists that have been sent through the wormhole

[01:29:12] already, which is these people who are not really attached to anyone on earth so they don't have too much of an emotional stake in what happens to people on earth. Yeah, fucking nerds and losers. Yeah, bunch of nerds and losers.

[01:29:21] Whereas she is supposedly that, but she is this more sentimental choice. She's attached to her father who is on earth and she's attached to Wolf Edmonds who's one of the scientists who already went through who she apparently was involved with. Yes, she loves him.

[01:29:35] And so that's why I'm cool with her being a little more open than... And we should say West Bentley is the fourth scientist. Yes, and he exists. And he's fine. I think he's fine. I mean it was one of those things where he'd been

[01:29:49] in the Hunger Games so I guess he was kind of back. Yeah. But it was still like, wow, West Bentley. Haven't heard from West Bentley in a while. He's good. I mean again, he's pretty chill. Yes. So they're on endurance.

[01:30:02] They go down for the long nap and then they wake up and it's time to go through the wormhole. So let me ask you in... And I love that scene where Giasi, where Romali is listening to the rain in his ears. Like he's listening to rain music.

[01:30:16] Oh, it's so great. Where is it? I can't remember who's listening. There's a couple of people listening to it. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. What were you going to say? How long are they in the nap? Like what I can never figure out with this movie

[01:30:28] is how long their expedition is in their time. Do you know what I'm saying? It would take like right now, it would take a couple of years to get to Saturn. Maybe three. I think they are going faster. Because they have a more advanced ship.

[01:30:48] But so I think the idea essentially is to take some a while to get to Saturn, but just like a couple of years. And then they go through the wormhole and then where they lose most... They basically lose 30 years on the first planet.

[01:31:02] After that, they lose barely any time at all until the movie is over. Because then it's just real time. Then they're just hopping from planets. It's like weeks or months. The major time advancement obviously is after the first planet. So they go through the wormhole.

[01:31:20] I love that scene. How do you feel about that? That's good stuff. I could just watch that. That's the shit in IMAX where you were like, oh my God. Kip Thorne who is the physicist suit. He was very clear that the wormhole should be a sphere. Yes.

[01:31:34] Because wormholes are always circles. They're like doors in space. And they explain it thoroughly. Romali does the wrinkle in time thing where he folds the paper and puts the pencil through to explain what a wormhole does, which is fold spacetime. The way it works, the wormhole.

[01:31:52] And you should really watch the documentaries on the blue way. I will honestly. Kip Thorne would take scientific equations and give them to visual effects people. And then they would put that through their algorithms to see what visual thing was created from it. That's cool. It's so cool.

[01:32:10] And he was very satisfied with the black hole because he was like, I'm not sure how this is going to look. And then they showed it to him. And they were like, oh, he was like, wow, that's actually great. So I thought it was going to look like,

[01:32:19] but it actually looks good. But so the wormholes this sphere. This one, the visual effects Oscar, right? It did. It was the only Oscar at one. It also was nominated for the sound Oscars and production design and music. I think a lot of technoms.

[01:32:32] But instead of just going in, they kind of go into orbit around the wormhole and then they just sort of let it overtake them. And then they're just in this like sea of the galaxy that they're entering. And it's all like rumbly.

[01:32:46] And this weird like blur touches Anne Hathaway's hand. She kind of shakes hands with the blur, which they think is like these beings that made the wormhole. And then what I love is rather than exiting, the space just sort of unfolds and becomes new space.

[01:33:00] Welcome to new space. It's fucking nuts, man. And the silence of this makes it. Yeah. The only music noise you're hearing is the ship like rattling. Right. It's great. Which makes it very eerie. I just get so the part where her hand happy talking about this.

[01:33:17] Her hand gets distorted. Yeah. That like I love that. It's frightening too. Yeah. And they again, like Nolan was just like, he was like, he says in the interviews and shit. He's like, I wasn't going to like sacrifice cinema for the sake of making everything like perfectly

[01:33:32] scientific and accurate, but I just wanted it to reflect science in a way that people often just don't bother to do, which is fine too. I mean, like, you know, do what you want. But they reach this system that is orbiting a black hole called gorgantua.

[01:33:46] And the black hole has an accretion disc, which is what a black hole would have, which is like essentially all this shit that's getting sucked into it. And it makes it look like this sort of ringed thing. And apparently that's the, I just want to tell you,

[01:33:57] it's the only thing he fucked with. It's symmetrical in the movie. Like it's basically a big circle. Whereas the real thing would be blue and kind of asymmetrical. It looks really weird. Okay. Same basic idea, but it's like the circle is just sort of wrong.

[01:34:11] It's like big on one side and small on the other. Here's my take on all of that. And he just sort of smoothed it out to make it look a little more normal. Because he thinks audiences were just been too like weirded out by it.

[01:34:21] Here's my take on all of that. I like it. It looks cool. So here they are in the new galaxy. Planet one is giving them like a thumbs up. Let's go check it out. So they go down to planet one.

[01:34:35] And you know, the old adage first is the worst. And they have all these conversations about how do we approach it to like use the least time? Because planet one is right by the black hole. Because McConaughey at this point is like really on the clock.

[01:34:47] He's like, my daughter promised I got to get back home. Exactly. And he's still thinking like plan A in which we solve gravity equations and like bring earth out. Coop is all about planet one. And Anne Hathaway is basically with him, although she's less like emotional about it.

[01:35:02] She's like, no, no, no. I mean, that's true. We should think about that. She's also, she's trying to rekindle and... She wants to get the wolf evidence, but he's all the way up there. Right. She's all about Plan E.

[01:35:12] So they go to this planet and it's just water. Yeah. Too much water. Now I was like on board. It's wet. Because it's shallow too. Right. They land and they're just, they're just like, oh, okay. And it's very heavy. Gravity is low.

[01:35:28] Very, very strong because they're near the black hole. It's a plan... Keeps it grounded. Yep. It's a plan full of cloners. We should mention that. It is. It is plan full of cloners. Yeah. It's in the Rishi Maze. No, of course it is. Yeah. We all know that.

[01:35:41] We should note that Dexter Jester is in charge of NASA in this movie. Yes. Yeah. He runs it out of his diner. Very interesting. Oh boy. So this planet is terrifying, but in a way that is again like unique. That's again what I love about this.

[01:36:01] He finds this frightening shit in just waves up and down. Like that's it. That's all this planet is. It's just waves. What I like about this movie is that all the stuff that's scary in it is scary because it is real. Right.

[01:36:14] Like he's not heightening stuff too much. So it's just like, oh, this is just upsetting. He's created like a sci-fi nightmare, but in the idea that it was very tangible near a black hole and essentially it would just be waves. From where we actually are. No alien plants.

[01:36:27] No alien creatures. No aliens in the movie. No animals. It's just humans and just different terrain. Avatars. And avatars. Avatar, Tars. All right. So. So, what happens at the wave planet? Big wave. Tars goes into asterisk mode to rescue brand. Right. She's trying to get the data.

[01:36:49] Which is you realize. The data just says like this planet is waves. Get the fuck out of here. This place sucks. Where are the mountains? There are mountains. They're waves. Learn shapes dummy. Wes Bentley dies here. He gets drowned by the waves. McConnor, he's hopping mad now.

[01:37:04] He's just a little bit of a fan. He's just a little bit of a fan. He's just a little bit of a fan. He's hopping mad now because. They're wasting time on this planet because like every hour is seven years or something crazy like that. Right.

[01:37:18] They're wasting time. They lost a Bentley. We just gotten him back. It's true. His career had just gotten right back in order and he seemed to be doing okay. And then just. Right off the wagon again.

[01:37:28] That shot of him floating down there is pretty crazy when they leave. Agreed it is. A lot. And it's just, this is where he confronts brand where he's like you fuck up.

[01:37:39] up, you don't know what you're doing. Like, you know, you didn't get that how much of a cost there would be because they essentially by being down there for too long, they lose like 30 years practically.

[01:37:51] So can you explain to me how and why they lose 30 years? I don't... I'm not smart enough about the theory of relativity to explain why it is. It's just that time dilates in different ways the closer you are to like gravitational forces.

[01:38:06] Okay. Did they know that going to that planet would cost them that much time? They, but yes, but they thought it was going to be seven years because they thought what would happen would they would detach, go down, pick her up or check out the probe, leave.

[01:38:18] But because the wave knocks the boat out, the ship out, they have to like wait on the planet for an additional whatever minutes because the engines are flooded and shit. And that's just like way more time.

[01:38:31] So when they come back to the planet, to the ship one last person, Romali has been like in hyper sleep, awake. He's like age, but it's been like 30 years. This is another thing we're talking about how like they make the very weak attempt

[01:38:48] to yellow Michael Cain's hair a little so he's got younger later. David Gassi, like they... I would have given him a little more hair before they leave the ship. Oh, sure. Sure. Right. Just so you could lose some of it.

[01:39:00] But he's not been awake for all of that time. He has been sleeping. I'm aware. I just think because the reveal of him there and when he tells them like, I've been here for 30 years, it would have been a little more affecting if

[01:39:14] he looked a little more different. Sure. I get you. Because you're looking at him and you're like, did I forget he had great hair? You wish he was like... I don't need him to be full whatever, you know, but I just want a little bit of that shock.

[01:39:24] They come back and he is now the Six Flags guy. And Brand's like, you're so old. So... But instead of what you're talking about, they present the emotional toll of the time lost in a video montage of all the messages they've gotten. It's a lot.

[01:39:47] And that's where you get the McConaughey just breaking down as he sees his son have his whole life. You also get we all know in puberty what happens to a young man is his voice raises and goes five octaves higher, which is how Tim will...

[01:40:02] Yeah. It's like, hey dad got to be in school. I guess I'm going to be a farmer. And then it's like, hey, yeah, yeah, I can't. It's so idiot. You're totally right. The old Casey whisper. Hey, it's Coop Jr. I can't beat this thing.

[01:40:18] But he, I gotta say, and it is one of those, it's almost Malikian where you're like, oh shit, this Casey Affleck. Like he got Casey Affleck to be on a computer screen. Yeah. Because all you see about Casey Affleck in first,

[01:40:29] although let's admit Casey Affleck was kind of, kind of down at this moment in his career. I'm sorry. This is coming only what? Two years after Tower Heist? I think three years after Tower Heist. Fucking high, my friend. Because he got Tower Heist, which he rules.

[01:40:46] Then he takes a big old break, but then he's back, baby. Ain't them bodies saying? Them saints. Ain't them bodies. And then, then he comes out of the furnace. That's right. Geez. Ain't them bodies saying, of course, filmed in a furnace. Then he comes out of the furnace.

[01:41:05] Do you know that that movie's about a town near where I grew up? Out of the furnace? Yeah. That's rough news, man. Yeah. I actually. My condolences. I know, I know a lot about the people that they're based on. That's great, but dark.

[01:41:22] I cannot give us, we can't go on and out of the furnace. She can't, but I just wanted to put that out there. Okay. We'll go out. We'll do a mailbag where we just talk about out of the furnace.

[01:41:32] So yeah, I guess at this point, this is five years after the Oscar nom for Jesse James. Longer. Isn't that 2007? Yeah. This is seven years after. Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is 14. This is 14. That's seven. Right.

[01:41:47] And he had done Gone Baby Gone in 2007, then doesn't make a movie for three years and comes back in 2010 with The Killer Inside Me and fucking I'm Still Here. Which is why he was not acting for C. Exactly. Anyway. Yeah. So, but so he's there.

[01:42:02] He you see him, he has it. He meets a woman. He like they get married. They have a kid. The kid dies like you're watching all this shit and you're just seeing it in McConaughey's face as he like just starts crying. Yes. It's fucking great.

[01:42:16] And he's sort of alluding to the fact that Coop doesn't want to talk to him. I'm Murph. Murph sorry. Right. Because right, you also see Lithgo that's before where Lithgo is like have fun in the wormhole. I tried to get her but she wouldn't.

[01:42:29] She's very stubborn like a dad. Yeah. And then you do, you hear that Lithgo died, you know, they buried him out back in the back 40. And then you think that the video is done and then I don't know where he comes. Chassie baby.

[01:42:44] Great introduction, I would say actually is just like you just click to her like totally white face because it's in that like sort of harshly lit webcam. Almost like night mode kind of. Exactly. And she's just like, Hey dad, I'm as old as you now. Like you said.

[01:43:01] Her best scene in the movie. No question. Uh, she kills this. And he's losing it. And then you cut back to earth and you see like now she works for NASA and she's with Michael Cain who's in his wheelchair now being like, Oh, solve my equation soon.

[01:43:15] Don't worry. You know. And I remember everyone like there was a lot of Oscar hype for this performance going into it. I think just because of her function in the movie and Warner Brothers had this contract where she had most violent year that

[01:43:27] same year and they said she couldn't promote. We've already talked about this right. Which is strange. She's way better in this than she is in most violent year. Uh, I think she's very good in both. I don't think she's.

[01:43:39] But I think her performance, I think she's much like McConaughey very much working at service of the movie. It's not a very showy performance. It's not the kind of thing that was ever going to get nominated.

[01:43:49] I'd say other than the phone call had to be like a runaway critical success for that kind of stuff to be happening. But she is, I just, I think about Sean Penn did this interview. Not that I usually would have gone quickly. Yes.

[01:44:01] But they asked him like which actors he was excited by. You know, if you thought there were good actors coming up and he said, Jessica Chastain, she's a fucking strata various. And I think about that all the time.

[01:44:12] Like anytime I see her in a movie, I'm like, yeah, she's just like, it's just like a fucking. She's a great actress. Yeah. I love her. She's a strata various. She's strata various. Yeah. So back on back in space though, what's most important is

[01:44:25] they go, there's a debate over, should we go to the second planet, Dr. Mann, the best of all of us, the king of the leader of the Lazarus. He's like the Matt Damon of astronauts. Exactly. Or do we go to Wolf Edmonds whose data was a

[01:44:38] little better but has not been broadcasting the thumbs up. And also I love him and also and McConaughey is basically a coupe is saying to brand like, you got to think about earth rather than just yourself. And she has this speech love in scientific terms. Right.

[01:44:53] Where she's saying, but like what if love is like this sort of definable thing that is important? Like it has already been in the movie throughout because of course that's what guided him as we learn, you know, spoiler alert, he was her ghost.

[01:45:07] You know, like the shelf goes in the shelf. You know, like that, like what these, what we have understood about ourselves, future humans have understood about past humans is that like that's what's anchoring us and helping us to survive. Sure. Is our connections to each other? Yes.

[01:45:25] And there's only one thing that goes through a worm, a black hole gravity or is there two things, gravity and love. Yeah. Netflix is love starring Gillian Jacobs and Paul Rust. Tars is broadcasting it on all signals when he's in the black hole.

[01:45:40] People cannot get enough of love. But they go to the second planet, which is again the entrance to each of these planets, like the entrance to the water planet where it's just like clouds, clouds, clouds, water. And if you're an IMAX is suddenly like this wide screen shot.

[01:45:58] Yeah. And then the second time it's that thing where they're going through the clouds and then they hit a cloud because the clouds are frozen. Yeah. Pretty cool, huh? Yeah. Frozen cloud. You don't see that every day. Cool. Try saving your files in that cloud.

[01:46:15] You're not going to upload failed. So down here frozen is Dr. Mann. They pull him out. Who is it? Maddie D. Maddie D. I didn't remember that he had been cast. I was genuinely surprised by his appearance. I knew he was in it.

[01:46:29] I was waiting to see who he was going to be, but I thought he could just as likely be a face in a video call. I didn't think it could be this prominent a role because he could have been. I understand why they didn't want to credit him.

[01:46:40] No, no, of course, of course. It tips the hand of the movie. It's kind of like Kevin Spacey and Seven Thing, but I also feel like he would have been the end Matt Damon. Yeah, he would have been on the poster. The poster building is McConaughey,

[01:46:51] Hathaway, Chastain and Michael Cain, which usually Nolan's rocking a lot of people. No, he doesn't let every he doesn't let Topher in there. He doesn't let Lith go in there. He doesn't let Wisp Bentley or anything in there. Casey. That's Casey at the bat.

[01:47:05] That scene where they pull him out and he's just crying is great. And the whole line says like Matt Damon, Matt Damon's sad. He's a good crier. Great cry. And then you cut to him like in his little like warm up blanket.

[01:47:18] And now he's getting back into the Matt Damon groove and he's like, OK, steady hand. Here we go. He's the hero scientist. That's what I love about this shit. He is you're immediately like, yeah, this guy, right? You know, he's a pro. This movie star, he's a pro.

[01:47:31] We know what he's doing. Stable smart man. Oh, it feels like he's the lead of his own movie that we haven't been watching. But now, OK, smooth transition. He's like in my planet, it's rough. Ammonia clouds. Day every day is 67 hours long.

[01:47:46] But you know, we could live here. Now, even I'm thinking like, that sounds bad. A lot of options, you know, but that is what he's got. And so and he blew up his robot Kip named after Kip Thorne. Oh, I thought I was named after Kip Hardu.

[01:48:02] Yeah, that's correct. It's named after Kip Hardu. I'm from Rules of Attraction. Yeah, he was in Draven. Yes, he was also in Remember the Titans. And. The decision here and then this is where they get the news from Chastain on Tars' body that Michael Cain has died. Yes.

[01:48:23] And we have that scene where Michael King confesses to her that. I am dying. I am going to die right now. He reads. He reads the poem. He recites the poem. Guy. Oh, I've got podcast. And he admits to her that he knows they can't. Was a lie.

[01:48:39] They can't solve this gravity equation of his. They can't bring the people. Plan B more like planet because that's the only plan. And that's yeah, like that's all we got. And he dies having finally admitted it. And Matt Damon knows this too.

[01:48:53] And she's like, tell me one thing did my dad know? And he's like, hold on, let me recite this poem one more time and then dies mid-pull. That's a great scene too, though, because she you can see her frustration where she's like, oh, fuck, this is it.

[01:49:06] He's got the poem ready. So now she's like double fuck my dad. Like did he was he just pulling a con on me this whole time? Yeah. So she's mad and Hathaway's mad and McConaughey's mad. But the decision is made. OK, everyone will just stay here.

[01:49:23] This planet is habitable. McConaughey will leave. He'll go back through the wormhole. Back to her. I'll go hang out with his 50 year old daughter. Exactly. That's the plan. So we have this scene where they're in their spacesuits and Matt Damon's like, all right, well, let me show you

[01:49:39] where we'll live. It's below here, even though I live up here. Definitely nothing weird about that. And like we'll just go down there. The two of us, just me and you. And I love their spacesuits with the little jet

[01:49:52] packy things that they can make do big jumps with. It's also interesting that like the endurance, their suits are totally white, little, little hints of gray, but totally white. Connaghey or Damon, rather, has the orange on his suit, which is like his fucking suit in the Martian.

[01:50:11] Yeah, it's literally like a Martian colored suit. You're right. There's a little bit of orange to it. A little bit of orange he's got going on. This scene, what are you looking up here? Well, just that. OK, I want to double confirm this.

[01:50:26] There is the thing that like at this point, Chastain's supposed to be the same age as Connaghey is. Yes. Connaghey's much older than Chastain. That's a good point. How old is he? I just looked at seven years older. I thought it was 10. He's 47. She's 40.

[01:50:38] And she's 40, which is funny because he's supposed to be playing about late 30s, I guess. But you know whatever. I'm sure. But yes, you're right. She looks that age. He looks older. He's a funny looking guy. He's weathered at this point. He's leathery.

[01:50:53] He's not like rust-coal post, but he's like pre-rust-coal. He's leathery. So. Man would make a mean beavers jerky. Man, though, with two ends. Yes. Has this monologue that I think every time I watch it, I love it more and more. I have you what do you think?

[01:51:11] Like essentially where he's it seems like he's just chatting to Coop about like the power of the human spirit and like, isn't it amazing that you're here and you're trying to help your daughter and like this is what drives humans, right?

[01:51:25] But then you realize like he's essentially describing why he's so great. Sure. It's this long bit of rationalization about like why he needs to survive and others don't. And why he has how he has justified a poor and behavior. What he's done, which is essentially he's been broadcasting

[01:51:43] from the planet that the planet is good when he knows it's not. Right. Because he is lonely. He's lonely and he just was sure he would have gotten it and he did. Right. And which I mean, so he's led them down there to die.

[01:51:55] He should have downloaded far more podcast before he went on the mission. He should download my check ran out and we have over 300 hours of entertainment. He could have. I hate you. No, I love you. Uh, love you too. We're the best two friends.

[01:52:11] Uh, but I just I'd love that idea of like him not being evil even just like that that sort of pathetic self just not pathetic even like that. Yeah, no, I know it is some pathetic. Yeah, no, like that, that like the way he has over the years

[01:52:28] thought it through to himself where it's like humans want to survive. Yeah. And and that's all I'm doing here. Yeah. He's going to get on the Ranger. He's going to go up and he's going to go to the good planet. He'll do it. So he kicks McConaughey.

[01:52:43] He kicks him down a cliff. Uh, and to kick to kill him and McConaughey fights back he's a fighter and he bashes his helmet and cracks it. A moment that always feels weird to me because, uh, it feels like McConaughey is like trying to keep him pinned down.

[01:52:57] Right. Yes. And once he's got him in the pin position, then Damon can hit the helmet or McConaughey just stand up and be like, okay, different type of fighting. Yeah, it's true. It's true. That I agree. That's that moment. He's on top. I know. I know you're right.

[01:53:09] It's a little sweaty. Um, but then McConaughey is slowly dying of suffocation. Yes. And I love, yes. And I love that man is like, I thought I could watch this, but I can't. I'm sorry. Like he's still justifying it to have something. He's like, this sucks.

[01:53:23] Are you seeing your family? I know you, I know you will. That's what happens when you die. You know, the part of his speech I really like is the, you know, I never once considered it wouldn't be the right planet, right? Right. Right. However he phrases it. Yes.

[01:53:35] I always thought it'd be, yeah. This guy is such the boy scout. He was like the captain America of NASA that it was like, I'm going to get the winning planet. Of course I am. But what he doesn't get in describing all this is that

[01:53:45] Coop will also try to survive. Like it's the thing he's describing the way that Coop's going to beat him. And so Coop escapes or it's more like Damon escapes. He gets into the Ranger and he flies up. Yeah.

[01:53:58] But the robots kind of run to him and poor Romali dies too when Romali tries to investigate the broken robot. Yeah. Kabloom. But yeah, just that. And then just like Kip Pardu's career, it is up in smoke. And then and then Damon's moment in the space

[01:54:15] station in the endurance where he's still monologuing and his last line is there is a moment. And then because he thinks like I've done with that. He's done it manually. He's done it badly because they like turned off the autopilot. Get the fuck away from us. You're crazy.

[01:54:29] We don't like you. And he's like, no, no, no, this is important. There is a moment. And he's dead and he blows up half the ship. Yeah. God. It's another like double fucked. Humanity's worst enemy. They're double fucked and they also each are like Mccony's like fuck.

[01:54:46] I just lost like 35 years of my daughter's life. And right. And half the way is like, I just lost the chance to see the guy I was in love with for this fucking homicidal mania. Right. And also, well, and also there is that sort of

[01:55:03] crazy action sequence where the score is going where they're like spinning and spinning and spinning to like lock back in because it's the only way they can stop it spinning. Yes. Which is again, I feel like a cool way of like a

[01:55:15] sciencey problem that's also kind of an action sequence. A genuinely nauseating sequence. It's awesome. Yeah. But yeah, and I love where Hathaway knocks out and then she's her arm just something goes like because she's no longer in control of her body. Yeah. She's just floating.

[01:55:33] But now, yeah, now they're triple fucked. Right. Yeah, I'd say triple. I'd upgrade to triple. So the plan now is, okay, we'll just shoot half away. Yeah. And the and the jizz bomb. Yeah. At Wolf Edmonds, the last planet. Right. Last year.

[01:55:47] We'll use the gravity from the black hole to do it. Got to leave something behind though. But in right to let her go everything the robots have to leave. Yeah. Or what case? I guess Tars goes with her. Sure. Yeah, Tars goes with her because you know Tars

[01:56:02] goes with him. So both case goes with case goes with her because you see case walking with her right at the end there. Yeah. They're walking hand in hand. And she thinks McCona, I think she thinks McCona the coup's going with her, but he's not.

[01:56:12] And they have the whole black hole behind and the black hole scene is where they lose another 50 years practically slingshotting around it. And then she goes into the black hole. Yes. Okay. Now this you love. I fucking love it. No, I do feel like this loses some people.

[01:56:27] Time box. Yeah, the spade, the library Tesseract. I don't know. Yeah. Um, I remember just being so freaked out in the IMAX by what was going to be in the black hole. Me too. I was shit and bricks because there was that that goes black, the instruments die.

[01:56:43] Yeah. And then it's just the screen is black and then you see this like white dust. Yeah. And you're just like, what the fuck is like, you know, it's really alarming. Yeah. And the science of it to keep thorn into all these

[01:56:54] other people is like, look, we can tell you everything that we know, but we don't know what's in a black hole. So you can really do whatever you want to do. Yeah. Uh, and inside it is a time library. David, I think it's so good.

[01:57:09] I was stretching his arms like PT Barnum showing off his latest attrack. Where he's just falling and suddenly the image of the Tesseract like appears around him and the score goes wild again. I like it a lot. Oh God. Well, it's like the entire history of this girl's

[01:57:23] bedroom, like a card library where he can like start to just string through it and find the moment he wants and he's trying to get his way out of it and he's knocking stuff over and he's being a ghost. Right. He's making impacts in the past.

[01:57:37] Because what has happened here is humans, yes, some future humans have created this thing for him to understand, to communicate with the past because gravity is the only thing that goes through black holes and if we could use gravity to communicate, i.e.

[01:57:53] by knocking books down or fucking with a watch, it is theoretically probable that you could communicate through time, which is cool. Which is fucking great. But then the question is how gravity and love are intertwined, but then how did the future people create this? I don't know.

[01:58:14] They have the future. He says that. They're amazing. At some point, at some point we figured out how to exist in five dimensions. You know, and like, right, but you want to exist in five dimensions? No, no, I do.

[01:58:22] But I'm saying is, I'm saying is, is that he, he made basically our existence continue. Sure. Right. But that would then say that the future people had an effect on that. They period time. So how did they? Ben, I can explain this very simply.

[01:58:42] OK, you know, when Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, oh hell yeah, when they don't have the keys and then Ted's like, wait a second, we have a time machine. Let's just remember that once we're done with this, we go back in time and place the keys here.

[01:58:55] And then they look and they have the key suddenly. Oh, OK. You know, and they're like, OK, let's just make sure that we come back and place the keys. Do that later. And that happens off screen after the movie's ended, but you just have to buy that they

[01:59:08] remember to do it and so it all fits together. They can use whatever technology they have to create the wormhole, to create things like in the black hole, which now in the future they know they have to do because it happened because he was there.

[01:59:20] What they can't do is travel through time. Right. That makes sense. They can't just open a time portal and go to the past and be like, Matthew Mcconnay should shut up. But they can use, they can harness us and our connections to each other is these like handshakes

[01:59:36] through the past to influence time. Right. And in creating the Tesseract for him, they've created this like emotional like memory palace that he'll understand. Yes. Pretty tough on him, though. Tough on him. But that and that they know his daughter will understand because she understands him.

[01:59:56] Like it's like smart. That's right. Like that's the magic of the end of science coming together rather than the science just being like, well, they make a time machine and like they can move through time. He's trying to understand like how could

[02:00:07] you make a time machine using gravitational like relativistic physics rather than like look a phone booth, which is cool. Phone booths are cool. Phone booths are cool. But isn't to suggest in the fate is the thing as well because like he's affecting all of the different moments

[02:00:24] in the like it's not so much fate as much as it's like, I mean, like we're fated to be connected to each other. I don't like, you know, like it's not it's not like a I feel like not like a straight time loop thing where it's

[02:00:38] like that happened because you knew what would happen because you had done it in the future or whatever. But you know, it's more like he it happened like her books are falling off. Right. Right. So it's going to happen. But it's not like he knows he has

[02:00:52] to do it right away. I don't know. Like, you know, we could talk about this in circles for days. You do but no. But once he's there, he realizes what he has to do is he has to fulfill. He understands the language because

[02:01:02] he was on the other side of it. Yeah. But she it's more important that she understand that. Well, that's what he realized. I'm not the one who is a note. Right. So I'm not the one who was supposed to save the world.

[02:01:11] She is and my job is just to communicate all he does is communicate gravitational equations to her that she that they can only see inside of a black hole. And the only thing that can move through a black hole is gravity. So it's the only way to communicate

[02:01:24] the equations is through gravity. He can't come out of the black hole and been like, I found a bunch of cool shit. He or he can but when he does, they already know because he comes out in the future and she's old.

[02:01:37] And Biff has taken over and now it's like he's running casino. He's kind of Trump adjacent. I mean, we should wrap up soon but yeah, because I got to go. But you're waiting for a train. I am waiting for a train, but I can go for another 10 minutes.

[02:01:54] He drops out of the black hole. Comes out of the black hole. It's the future future. And he was picked up by a space station that is much like the one that's brand pill. I think there's supposed to be many of them now. Yes.

[02:02:06] And this is Cooper Station. This is Cooper Station. No, named after your deter. Exactly. Real quick though, I do want to say it's awesome that you figure out that it was his hand when he goes back through. Yes, yes, because when he goes through the black hole further,

[02:02:21] when the test right closes, he goes through the wormhole and he sees them. Yeah, I love that. Now, can I throw to you? Excuse me. Can I throw to you my major complaint about this movie? Sure. Yeah, I think this ending section is rough.

[02:02:35] Why do you think it's just because it's fast? Yes, I think this is a weird example of a movie that actually needs to be a little longer. Hey man, if this movie is three and a half hours longer, I'd be pretty happy to.

[02:02:45] I do think Nolan is also just like we went through the black hole. The audience is so exhausted by all of that that we should just wrap it up right here. You know what I mean? I just think there are a lot of ideas.

[02:02:55] There's no patience in this section. I find really interesting that are really a bridge. That I mean, I think a lot of people had the problem, especially with the scene where fucking Ellen Burstin put herself in hypersleep to get to the space station.

[02:03:06] And he's like he sees her and it's an overwhelming moment when he sees her on the bed. Yes. But then he sits down and he's like I was your ghost and she's like yeah. And he's like. So what's up with you? And she's like you should go.

[02:03:19] I don't like that. I wish there was longer, but it's hard. I think that I think her closing monologue is great. You know the thing she's saying when you're cutting to the images of Anne Hathaway. I agree. I think it's fast. I I want

[02:03:36] I want her to die with him by her side. I just don't like that she says that he did Ellen Burstin that much. You just love Ellen Burstin. No, she's great. I've told you my Ellen Burstin story, right? I don't know. I've been in three projects

[02:03:50] with Ellen Burstin. We've never had a scene together, but I've been in three different things with Ellen Burstin, which are. There was an unproduced or rather never went to series pilot for Showtime directed by Tim Robbins called Possible Side Effects. That was my first real job.

[02:04:05] I never heard. I never knew you did that. OK. Josh Lucas, Tim Blake Nelson, Ellen Burstin was a good cast. He did not go to series. No. And then political animals, which I played Carla Cajino's assistant. She played the matriarch of the main family in the show,

[02:04:21] Sigourney Weaver's mother. Yeah. And so we never crossed over. We were totally different plot lines. Right. And then she plays Kim and Costner's mother in Draft Day. That's right. She does. She's pretty good actually. I think she's very good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she often gets handed

[02:04:34] these very small roles, but she's great. Yeah. She I ran. I was at like screening party thing and she was there and I went up to her and I was like, hey, you don't know me, but I was. I've been in these things with you.

[02:04:49] This was when I had done the first one, maybe the first two and a big fan of your work and this and that and was talking about stuff. And I was like looking for an acting teacher and I asked her if she had any recommendations

[02:05:00] to recommend to me. This woman, Elizabeth Campbell, I've worked with for years and is incredible. And so on Draft Day, I was like, I should really go thank her for that. And so I said, hey, you know, you probably don't remember me, but we were in

[02:05:12] possible side effects together. And she said, I've never been in something called possible side effects. OK, even political animals. I said, I don't remember you. And I said, we weren't we didn't work together. But I saw you at a party once and you recommended Elizabeth

[02:05:24] Campbell to me. She went, oh, thank you. We were in the hair and makeup trailer next to each other. And I said that and she said, oh, thank you. And then I went back to talking to my hair and makeup guy. And I'm like chatty.

[02:05:33] I'm a chatty person. Yeah. And so I'm talking to her makeup guy. And after like too much, she went griffin. And I said, yeah, she went try silence. Wow. That's so I got shut the fuck down by. She did not want you to talk. First and. Woo.

[02:05:50] And then there was like silence for five minutes and she was like, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to run my lines. I was like, no, it's fine. Miss Burstin is fine. Oh my god. That's amazing. I can't believe that's the greatest story. I can't believe it.

[02:06:01] That's intense. Right? Oh my god. But that's now her best moment after Alice doesn't live here anymore. She beat silence. Eighty four year old Academy Award winner, Ellen Burstin, told you to shut the fuck up. Probably one of my 10 favorite actors of all time.

[02:06:16] I could say to you try silence now. That'll be the new bit. Griffin, try silence. Try silence. He goes off to see Anne Hathaway, yeah, who is on Wolf Edmunds. Wolf Edmunds is dead, but he's on his planet and she's settling down for the long nap looks good.

[02:06:34] Looks like a good planet. Real nice. Looks sort of Marzy. I like that his old house is a museum that they let him move into. That's right. See, this is like I want that scene with Tars where he revives him is fantastic. I love it.

[02:06:46] And I like him sitting on the porch with Tars. I like this whole thing of like McConaughey now not knowing where he belongs, like being stuck between two worlds. I kind of want him to be by her side when she dies and then

[02:06:58] to have a section of the movie for like 10 minutes of him not knowing where to go before he goes off to brand because the idea I like is that like brands the only person he's ever going to be able to talk to for the rest of his life.

[02:07:08] No one else is going to fuck him that way. Everyone else grew up on space stations. Yeah, right. But it just feels rushed to me. I feel like it doesn't emotionally. That's fine. I think that's a fair. I mean, I think yeah, that's they don't even really explain

[02:07:21] the space stations, which are so cool. They are based on real theoretical like things. Yeah, they don't give us enough of that because again, there are these centrifuges. I think the movie just needs like another 10 minutes. Here's what I think the movie needs. What? You ready? Yeah.

[02:07:37] Sequel, inner stellar two. There is plenty of space for a sequel. Into stellar into stellar. He goes to Wolf Edmunds. There's all kinds of bullshit you can do life on Wolf Edmunds with Anne Hathaway. Nolan would never do it. Right? No, of course not.

[02:07:52] But I mean, and I think he really feels like the emotional journey is completed at the end of it. You know, like he's he's told his story, but I would see interstellar too. I don't like that he leaves her and that he doesn't even

[02:08:03] meet the rest of her family. Like he walks in the room there like here's all her family. Here's all our kids. I know just goes straight to her. She's like no one should watch their child die. And he's like, OK, cool. Good point. Peace out. And just leaves.

[02:08:12] I agree with you about the cleanliness of it, but I also think you already said it's like he is he's like an alien to these people and he can't deal with that. But anyway, we have to play the box office game and then you

[02:08:24] have to catch a train. Yeah, I got it. I'm waiting for a train. Number one is his November 7th 2014 hero six is now is big hero six, which opened to 56 million mop the floor when interstellar open to 47 million at number wiped the floor with interstellar.

[02:08:38] Big Hero Six is a movie I saw in theaters and I had a pretty nice time with and I've never really thought much about it since I've never heard of what are the there were five others. No, great show. Fifty comedy points. It won the Oscar. It did.

[02:08:53] Oddly. Oddly. It's not a bad movie. It's sweet. It's totally fine. I'm going to stick with my same review when I have when it came out a big hero six more like big hero two because only two of those characters you care about.

[02:09:06] I would say like more like big hero six point five out of ten. I know, I know, I know. I'm saying only two out of the six characters. Craziest thing is big hero six gross is less worldwide than interstellar. Interesting for more domestic more domestically. OK.

[02:09:21] Number three at the box office is a huge hit of the fall. An R rated thriller kind of like drama thriller that has made in six weeks 145 million dollars and just went up from four to three. So it's like twist really sticking around. It is a great movie.

[02:09:46] Is an Oscar play? It was kind of an Oscar play, but it only ended up with like two nominations. Gunger. Movie I love. Great movie. We should do Fincher. I know it will be as obvious as doing Nolan, but it would be so much.

[02:09:59] We'll do we just got to a couple of weird people in between. Number four is a horror movie that opened number one the week before that is pretty bad. But the sequel was really great. I think the sequel came out this year. Weeja. Weeja.

[02:10:16] I haven't seen Weeja to origin of evil. I dug Weeja to it looked so good and I just missed it. It was like when I was working and I wanted to. Forty three million it's made in three weeks. It was number one for two weeks in a row.

[02:10:29] Number five is a movie people really are already forgotten about, which I don't like at all. I think you liked a little more. It's a war movie, like a really real dirty war movie. Oh, I don't like this movie. Oh you don't? OK, OK.

[02:10:41] I think it's I think it's kind of well made. I think the first chunk of it's pretty solid. I think it totally falls apart. Fury. Fury, the David Ayer movie. Yeah. In which World War Two is twisted. Twisted. I mean, you might like it because these actors, they

[02:10:59] dirty. It's one of the dirtiest fucking. I think David Ayer was like put some dirt on him. They put dirt on me. He's like, great. Now put some grease on. All right. Grease him up. There's also that story where like Shia LaBeouf was in the makeup

[02:11:12] trailer with Logan Lerman and he's like, what kid? They're putting dirt on your face. How is that all you're doing? And he's like, yeah, it's makeup and Shia LaBeouf apparently took it on knife and cut his face. I was like, this is how you act.

[02:11:25] You got to live it. We learned all that knife work. What a nice guy. Yeah. What a nice boy. You're right. Thank you. Number six is St. Vincent. Not a good movie. No, you got Nightcrawler. Oh, come on. A good movie. I like St. Vincent.

[02:11:43] OK, I find St. Vincent. John Wick is sort of hanging out on the way to its nice run. It's in the middle of its nice run. And I'm thinking he's back. Alexander in the terrible horrible no good very bad days beginning its Oscar run. It's a platforming.

[02:11:59] That movie made 66 million dollars. Directed by Miguel Ortega. No, no, it was directed by Ingmar Bergman. The Book of Life, the animated Day of the Dead movie. Yes. Birdman is platforming in there. Actually is platforming. Worst film of 2014. It's pretty bad. The Judge is at number 12. Oh, wow.

[02:12:22] I just said the worst film in 2014. Now the judge is worse. Yeah, no, the judge is worse. The judge is worse. You got the maze running. You got the maze runner. Dracula untold. Some fun ones. Yeah. Guardians of the Galaxy is still in there. It's November.

[02:12:36] I know it came out in August, but still that's pretty good. Yeah. Guardians of the Galaxy made $419,000 that weekend and it's 15th of this week. What a great movie. Well, interstellar. It's David's favorite movie ever. He wants to marry it. Yeah, I'd marry it. I would do it.

[02:12:53] So I know you have to go. Sure. I just wanted to share. The show. I'm just going to pack about this movie. OK. So my takeaway is I think that this is Nolan's metaphor for opening a back row in the background. As David like is very

[02:13:09] really packed a bag. I think it's like a metaphor for the artist creating art and the sacrifice that they have to make like for sure. Like we should regarding their family. I would agree with that if you think of all these like artists and geniuses

[02:13:22] over time, they have always, if they have a family treated them like garbage. Yeah. And I think that this is like a movie that really illustrates that in a really amazing way. I agree. That's also what the Toy Story trilogy is about.

[02:13:34] That's why I like it so much. I can't wait for you to treat your family like garbage to make blank check. And Bob. Well, yes, my dad, he thinks I'm already doing that. Come on. You don't see your dad. Ray Tentori friend of the podcast.

[02:13:48] A good friend of mine last night from when we're recording was the tick premiere. Yes. And Ray went up to him and was talking about how much he likes the podcast. And apparently told my father some of the things I've said about my father on the podcast.

[02:14:03] Wait, have you mentioned, I thought we cut the, oh no, we already had this. Oh, I shared this with Peter. I said it's a little bit of my fault because I was supposed to cut it out. And I did not. Ben did say that to my father,

[02:14:13] which is how Ben met my father. And that's the premise of the new CBS sitcom in September, how Ben met your father. I had to. I had to lay it up. Great work. Well, that has been interstellar. Tune in next week for the finale of our Dunkirk. Yeah.

[02:14:31] Maybe bonus. Maybe bonus. We're still talking about it. Yeah, we should talk about that off, Mike. But, Griffin's going to go to Australia. And I'm going to go to the Hudson Valley. Very similar. Please remember to rate, review, subscribe, big thanks to Antford Gouda

[02:14:46] for running our social media accounts for Liam Montgomery for doing the theme song. Pat Reynolds and Joe Bowen for the artwork. Check out our subreddit, Blankies.Reddit.com for some real nerdy shit. Yep. And as always, I'm just going to go to sleep. I'm going to leave.

[02:15:01] You're going to leave. And I'm going to sleep right here. You're in the recording studio. I am done. I am finished. This is going to be rough. Gilbert Cruz suggested rage against the dying of the podcast. That was one of his. I mean, I was going to...

[02:15:18] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, is it too much? Go on. What? Is it an easy layup to just do Cain again? Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's an easy layup, but that doesn't mean layups are two points.

[02:15:32] But I've always had a hard time doing a McConaughey and especially with my voice sounding like this today. I don't know if it'll make it easier or harder. What would be the McConaughey line? Like it's weird. You used to look up at the sky.

[02:15:46] Yeah, I can't do it. No dude, just do Cain. It's fine. Yeah, okay. Let me... Boy, this could be even worse than last time. Do not go gentle. Enter that good night. Old age should burn and rave a cl... What the fuck am I doing? No, it's great.

[02:16:04] Okay, okay, let me try it again. Let me try it again. Let me try it again. Do not go gentle. Enter that good night. Old age should reign. I'm fucking up the word. Okay, third take. Third take. I'm trying to pinpoint what it is. Day-na. KJTASP.

[02:16:24] It is something about the way you do it. Michael K. Michael K.