Jerry Maguire

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[00:00:27] Shut up. Just shut up. You had me at podcast.

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[00:00:38] We had a really tough time. Too many quotes.

[00:00:40] This is the most quotable movie of all time.

[00:00:42] I'm David Sims. I'm Griffin Newman.

[00:00:44] Welcome to our podcast. It's called Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:00:47] We're hashtagged the two friends. We host the show.

[00:00:49] We go through filmmakers who have massive success and then get Blank Checks to work on other projects

[00:00:55] and sometimes those checks bounce and sometimes they cash those suckers in.

[00:01:00] This is a mini-series. We do mini-series. We go through filmographies

[00:01:04] and the guy we're working on right now is Cameron Crowe.

[00:01:09] Cameron Crowe.

[00:01:10] And we are on his most iconic, successful film.

[00:01:14] Yes.

[00:01:15] That film is called Jerry Maguire. This mini-series is called We Pod a Cast.

[00:01:20] This is his most iconic film I guess. Definitely his most successful.

[00:01:24] Yeah.

[00:01:25] Yeah, We Pod a Cast.

[00:01:26] We're foreshadowing where this mini-series is going.

[00:01:28] But right now we're in the...

[00:01:30] We're in the Golden...

[00:01:31] The Glory Days.

[00:01:32] I mean, we could have called it, you know, Podcast Maguire.

[00:01:34] That would have been a great mini-series title.

[00:01:36] Yeah, it would have been great.

[00:01:37] Podcast Maguire.

[00:01:38] You get it.

[00:01:39] Look, the people wanted it.

[00:01:40] 47% voted for We Pod a Cast.

[00:01:42] It's true.

[00:01:43] Who am I to not listen to the public other than when we chose to do Cameron Crowe

[00:01:46] instead of James Cameron?

[00:01:47] Whatever.

[00:01:50] Today we are discussing the motion picture of Cameron Maguire.

[00:01:53] Jerry M-fucking-Guire.

[00:01:55] Jerry M-fucking-Guire.

[00:01:57] Yeah.

[00:01:58] A hugely successful movie.

[00:02:00] Huge.

[00:02:03] It's incomprehensible how big this movie was.

[00:02:06] And it's especially hard to comprehend today because this is not a kind of movie that gets

[00:02:14] made by studios anymore when it does no one goes to see it.

[00:02:17] Imagine this movie getting made today.

[00:02:19] Imagine like...

[00:02:20] Lunacy.

[00:02:22] It could happen.

[00:02:23] I'm trying to think of a Tom Cruise level star today.

[00:02:26] I guess there's nobody.

[00:02:28] There's nobody.

[00:02:29] I'd argue there isn't one.

[00:02:30] But say, you know, if Chris Pratt decided to work with like an actual artist.

[00:02:35] Yeah.

[00:02:36] And like make just like a romantic drama that he wrote.

[00:02:40] You know, he or she wrote this artist.

[00:02:42] I think it do $25 million domestic.

[00:02:44] It's hard to imagine it becoming this kind of a phenomenon.

[00:02:47] Do you know what I think the last example of this is?

[00:02:50] The last film to function in this kind of way.

[00:02:53] Yeah.

[00:02:54] Unstoppable Will Smith coming off like 10 consecutive hits making pursuit of happiness,

[00:02:59] which is nowhere...

[00:03:00] Sure, but pursuit of happiness was not this kind of movie even though it did very well.

[00:03:03] But I'm just saying that that was the last time where it was like a star was so unbeatable

[00:03:08] that they could make a character drama and it played like a blockbuster.

[00:03:12] Yeah.

[00:03:13] I'm not saying they're the same movie but I'm saying I don't think there's anyone

[00:03:16] who has that kind of cache today, you know?

[00:03:20] Jennifer Lawrence maybe.

[00:03:21] Possibly but no one saw Joy.

[00:03:23] Yeah, but people saw the Silver Lightning's playbook.

[00:03:25] Yeah, but that was the one that made her.

[00:03:27] What? No, she'd already been in the Hunger Games.

[00:03:29] What? No.

[00:03:30] The Silver Lightning playbook is a better example.

[00:03:32] I think that's a good example.

[00:03:34] I think that's...

[00:03:35] Because it got all the Oscar nominations.

[00:03:37] She was already a huge deal and it was like straightforward romantic drama.

[00:03:41] Like it was not, you know, with comic element.

[00:03:44] I agree but a lot of that films on coop and I also think...

[00:03:47] No, no, no.

[00:03:48] Dead wrong.

[00:03:49] But I also think that was part of her ascension.

[00:03:50] Of course it was part of it but, you know, I think that's a decent example

[00:03:53] because the pursuit of happiness is a weepy.

[00:03:55] It's not funny at all.

[00:03:57] It's just like a true space art true story.

[00:03:59] But I'm saying it's a star driven drama with no like...

[00:04:02] This is not the conversation we need to have.

[00:04:04] No, no, because to put this in context, I mean you look at

[00:04:06] fucking Cruises the 10 years leading up to this movie.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:11] He was just unstoppable.

[00:04:12] Uh, yeah.

[00:04:14] I mean that's the thing, the brand was so fucking strong.

[00:04:18] Tom Hanks did something like this too.

[00:04:20] But Tom Hanks was more of a, he was always a comedy, you know,

[00:04:23] star as well as a driven drama.

[00:04:25] And also that run ended.

[00:04:26] Like Tom Hanks was this guy also in the 90s.

[00:04:28] This is kind of my point is that these two guys couldn't do this today.

[00:04:32] There's a reason these two guys are doing more sort of

[00:04:35] genre-y films now.

[00:04:37] Well there's two very different reasons I would say.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] Tom Hanks because he got a little older, you know,

[00:04:42] he became more of a dad.

[00:04:44] And Tom Cruise because of some issues in his personal life.

[00:04:48] But Cruise only does sci-fi now essentially.

[00:04:51] Yeah, because that's where we can buy him or action.

[00:04:54] Like we can buy him as an impossible person.

[00:04:57] Yeah and Hanks now I mean mostly does smaller scale kind of

[00:05:01] dad movies but also like his bread and butter now is that

[00:05:03] fucking Dan Brown series.

[00:05:06] Is that his bread and butter?

[00:05:08] It's just, I don't know why they make those except for

[00:05:10] that they make money.

[00:05:11] Which is so weird because who sees them?

[00:05:13] They make international money and stuff but like,

[00:05:15] do you really think Tom Hanks calls Ron Howard and is like,

[00:05:19] let's do another brownie.

[00:05:21] Let's do another Dan Brown.

[00:05:23] Honestly they made three of them.

[00:05:25] They made three of them but I also, I think it's like...

[00:05:27] It's like they get to go to Paris, have some nice dinners,

[00:05:30] shoot a week in the Louvre, you know like,

[00:05:32] hey where are we going this time?

[00:05:33] Going to the Vatican?

[00:05:34] Great, great.

[00:05:35] I mean we need to try this new place, you know?

[00:05:37] I also think, I mean we're getting this nature,

[00:05:40] this conversation about the nature of modern stardom

[00:05:42] which I think isn't that off topic because it's important,

[00:05:45] you know this whole movie is like peak stardom.

[00:05:48] Peak movie stardom.

[00:05:50] But I think modern stardom is tied into this thing

[00:05:54] that even if you're huge, if you're Jennifer Lawrence

[00:05:57] or you're Chris Pratt or whomever,

[00:06:00] you need to sort of have the like trees

[00:06:03] that you hang your hammock up on.

[00:06:05] Like you need to, you know,

[00:06:07] the swing of your hammock is you taking the risk

[00:06:11] of doing something that might not work

[00:06:13] but you know you have a fucking Guardians of the Galaxy

[00:06:15] or Jurassic World on either side.

[00:06:16] I guess so, I also think it's just that

[00:06:18] the world is too big now and it's like,

[00:06:21] it's harder for someone to dominate, you know,

[00:06:23] the culture in the same way.

[00:06:24] And also, drama, it's like,

[00:06:26] everything's made internationally now.

[00:06:28] I'm sorry, no.

[00:06:29] Everything's made internationally now

[00:06:31] and the movies that sell well overseas

[00:06:33] are the ones that are super fucking visual.

[00:06:35] I just love it, Inferno Shot in Venice and Budapest.

[00:06:38] I just imagine like Tom being like,

[00:06:40] there's this place in Budapest

[00:06:42] with like poppy seed muffins that've been meaning to go to.

[00:06:45] Can we have like a weekend Budapest?

[00:06:47] Do you not see what I'm saying though?

[00:06:48] Yes, seriously.

[00:06:49] That like, I mean yes,

[00:06:50] I think that's probably what happened

[00:06:51] but the fact that like,

[00:06:52] okay no one sees fucking hologram for the king

[00:06:54] but Hanks is like, okay, I got a brown coming.

[00:06:56] I at least know that's like an easy 250 world one.

[00:06:58] I don't like to phrase,

[00:06:59] I got a brown coming.

[00:07:00] I'm pushing out a brown.

[00:07:02] I'm taking a trip to Browntown.

[00:07:04] Okay, I'm gonna, so let's talk about Cruise.

[00:07:07] I'll just talk about Cruise very briefly

[00:07:09] because this is a Cameron Crow podcast

[00:07:11] so we should talk about Cameron Crow but briefly.

[00:07:13] When a film is this much about a movie star

[00:07:15] we gotta contextualize a little bit, you know?

[00:07:18] And I think we did the same thing with Will Smith

[00:07:20] and After Earth, I'm not saying that

[00:07:22] Cruise had this level of authorship over the film

[00:07:24] but this is like the Tom Cruise movie.

[00:07:27] There's one other guy I wanna talk about though.

[00:07:30] James Albrooks, but I wanna talk about Cruise.

[00:07:32] Yet another guy I wanna talk about.

[00:07:34] Cuba Gooding Jr.?

[00:07:35] One more guy.

[00:07:38] Jonathan Lipnicki?

[00:07:39] Benjamin Hosley.

[00:07:40] Oh yeah, hey.

[00:07:41] Are you typing Ben?

[00:07:42] I am.

[00:07:43] I know I got a new keyboard, it's a Dell, it's really loud.

[00:07:47] You gonna get that typing out off the track?

[00:07:49] Oh, I don't know, I think it's kinda nice avionce, don't you?

[00:07:52] Did you specifically ask for a louder keyboard?

[00:07:56] No.

[00:07:58] That of course is the clacking fingers of...

[00:08:02] The clacker.

[00:08:03] Tip tap in a way.

[00:08:04] No, do not.

[00:08:05] He's the tip-tapper.

[00:08:06] No, no, I don't like tip-tapper.

[00:08:08] Cause it's clacky.

[00:08:09] Yeah, look, let's be serious.

[00:08:11] He's only got a couple of nicknames.

[00:08:12] Ben Hosley, producer Ben,

[00:08:14] Purdue or Ben, the Ben Deucer,

[00:08:15] the poet Lorie at the Haas,

[00:08:17] the Peeper, the Fuckmaster,

[00:08:19] the tiebreaker, birthday Benny.

[00:08:21] Say Mr. Positive, Hello Fennel.

[00:08:23] Right.

[00:08:25] Kylo Ben, producer Ben Canobe,

[00:08:28] Ben Aichamelon, Ben Sait,

[00:08:31] did I forget any?

[00:08:32] Maybe, there's a bunch.

[00:08:33] I think we got them.

[00:08:34] He's not Professor Crispy.

[00:08:35] No, you didn't forget that one, cause he's not that.

[00:08:38] Right, he's not that.

[00:08:40] But let's just contextualize one more thing now

[00:08:44] that the name's in brought up.

[00:08:46] Ben and I used to work on a podcast called

[00:08:48] Talking to You CGS,

[00:08:49] Recap Show for the Chris Gather Show.

[00:08:51] Later, it existed in a slightly different form.

[00:08:53] TCS after party.

[00:08:55] I don't remember how it originated,

[00:08:57] but at some point we started a bit

[00:08:59] on Talking to You CGS where we would ask

[00:09:01] our listeners to tweet things

[00:09:03] at Jonathan Lipnicki.

[00:09:04] Oh yeah, yes, Jake.

[00:09:06] We'd give out sort of like code words

[00:09:09] and we go like if you agree or disagree,

[00:09:11] tweet hashtag at JLipnicki.

[00:09:13] And the idea was that we would look at

[00:09:15] Jonathan Lipnicki's mentions to see

[00:09:16] what people wanted rather than

[00:09:17] look at our own mentions.

[00:09:19] Okay.

[00:09:20] He blocked you for this offense.

[00:09:22] Yes, he was not happy.

[00:09:24] Every time people tweet stuff at him,

[00:09:25] he'd go what the fuck is this?

[00:09:26] What are you doing?

[00:09:28] You're crazy.

[00:09:29] Yeah, it's all pretty fair.

[00:09:31] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:09:32] You're harassing him.

[00:09:33] Yeah, look, I was young as naive.

[00:09:37] We were that young.

[00:09:38] What is it, two years ago?

[00:09:40] Yeah, TCS was on public access.

[00:09:42] It was a different time.

[00:09:43] We didn't know.

[00:09:44] So I just, you know, me a culpa.

[00:09:46] Jonathan Lipnicki plays Ray

[00:09:48] in this film, Jerry Maguire.

[00:09:50] He was five years old.

[00:09:51] Yeah, I mean, he's like a real

[00:09:53] five-year-old in this movie.

[00:09:54] It's a dynamite performance.

[00:09:55] Incredible.

[00:09:56] It's one of the best kid performances ever.

[00:09:59] But it's also definitive for like,

[00:10:01] you see it and you're like,

[00:10:02] I don't want to see what that kid

[00:10:03] looks like when he grows up.

[00:10:04] Nope.

[00:10:05] I like the kid right now and that's it.

[00:10:07] And he stuck around, you know?

[00:10:09] The strength of the performance is that

[00:10:10] he's such a fucking kid in this movie.

[00:10:12] So crazy.

[00:10:13] But also...

[00:10:14] Those glasses?

[00:10:15] Yeah.

[00:10:16] Like, you know how the kid in Say Anything

[00:10:18] is kind of just like a bland kid?

[00:10:20] He's like fine but he just sort of runs around.

[00:10:22] Like this kid, it's like,

[00:10:23] he's perfect because he doesn't look like

[00:10:25] all the parts of his body have grown at the right time.

[00:10:27] He's got weird proportions.

[00:10:28] He's got a big head.

[00:10:29] He's got a little body.

[00:10:30] Huge glasses.

[00:10:31] Sort of like huge glasses.

[00:10:32] He kind of lolls around.

[00:10:33] He's got like a really curious way of talking,

[00:10:36] but not like a...

[00:10:37] It's just funny.

[00:10:38] He also...

[00:10:39] And he has like natural rapport with...

[00:10:40] Yeah.

[00:10:41] Yeah and he also, I mean,

[00:10:42] here are some other factors.

[00:10:43] They dress him like a little adult.

[00:10:44] Yeah, they dress him in like little button downs

[00:10:46] and khakis.

[00:10:47] Yeah, he's like a tiny gentleman.

[00:10:48] Yes.

[00:10:49] And...

[00:10:50] The war-dropping, the war-dropping of this movie.

[00:10:53] Oh, incredible.

[00:10:54] Fucking amazing.

[00:10:55] Incredible.

[00:10:56] I wish we all look like this right now.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:58] I want to look like 90s businessmen and women.

[00:11:00] But it...

[00:11:01] Yes, I agree.

[00:11:02] And Bonnie Hunt's costume?

[00:11:03] Come on.

[00:11:04] Oh my God.

[00:11:05] And Cuba Gooding Jr. wears

[00:11:06] a wonderful ensemble in this.

[00:11:07] Well, a lot of him is wearing his birthday suit.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:10] A lot of him is showing off those pecs.

[00:11:11] Yeah, yeah.

[00:11:12] That ass.

[00:11:13] He's showing off that ass.

[00:11:14] And that shadowy crotch area, but we don't...

[00:11:17] Yeah.

[00:11:18] You get like the V above the dick sometimes.

[00:11:21] Here's another thing about John Thelmanicky,

[00:11:23] taking a harsh left turn from talking about

[00:11:26] the V above Cuba Gooding Jr.'s dick to a five-year-old.

[00:11:29] But I do...

[00:11:31] I feel like a lot of movies where there's like

[00:11:33] a five-year-old, they cast like a nine-year-old.

[00:11:36] Oh, sure.

[00:11:37] You know?

[00:11:38] And this is like, you watch it like this is an actual

[00:11:40] five-year-old.

[00:11:41] This is a kid.

[00:11:42] And also is he feels so unstudied that like a lot of scenes

[00:11:45] where he's talking to Cruz, he's sort of like melting

[00:11:47] into the couch.

[00:11:48] Yeah, definitely.

[00:11:49] Like he's not sort of like leaning forward or keeping

[00:11:51] his head straight.

[00:11:52] Like he's always like...

[00:11:53] A lot of movies sitting and he's sort of like at weird angles.

[00:11:55] Funny.

[00:11:56] And it's just like a kid and they placed him

[00:11:58] and he sat in that position and he just said stuff.

[00:12:01] So, but let's talk about his scene partner

[00:12:04] and arguably equal Tom Cruise.

[00:12:06] Yeah.

[00:12:07] So I just want to like say Tom Cruise.

[00:12:09] Tom Cruise, in my opinion this is the beginning

[00:12:11] or right at the start of the second great age of Cruise.

[00:12:14] Yeah.

[00:12:15] After the first great age of Cruise.

[00:12:16] This is sort of the transition.

[00:12:18] This is like...

[00:12:19] Mission Impossible in my opinion is the transition.

[00:12:21] That's when he becomes a franchise.

[00:12:22] Because for years...

[00:12:23] Mission Impossible is when he has his own company

[00:12:25] and he picks his directors.

[00:12:26] Right, that was the first movie he produced.

[00:12:27] Yes.

[00:12:28] That was the first Cruise Wagner production.

[00:12:29] And the thing with Mission Impossible is everyone's like

[00:12:31] when's Cruise gonna get a franchise?

[00:12:32] Sure.

[00:12:33] He needs a marquee franchise.

[00:12:34] So we've had Cruise around.

[00:12:35] You know, he's a teen actor in the early 80s

[00:12:37] season movies like Taps and The Outsiders

[00:12:39] and Risky Business and All the Rights Moves.

[00:12:41] It's co-starring.

[00:12:42] Leia Thompson.

[00:12:43] And Tom Cruise is wiener.

[00:12:44] Yeah, I know.

[00:12:45] Let's keep the dick talk down after that early burst.

[00:12:50] Right?

[00:12:51] You know, I feel like we lean too hard on it sometimes.

[00:12:53] I don't know.

[00:12:54] I think people like it.

[00:12:55] People like it.

[00:12:56] I know.

[00:12:57] That's what I'm saying.

[00:12:58] I don't want it to be like over exposed.

[00:12:59] Are you embarrassed because they coated the dick thing

[00:13:01] in pod mask?

[00:13:02] No, I loved that.

[00:13:03] Okay.

[00:13:04] That was great.

[00:13:05] And then he's got...

[00:13:06] Then he's got like the first age of Cruise

[00:13:08] after Risky Business, right?

[00:13:09] Yeah.

[00:13:10] Which is when he's in movies like Top Gun, great.

[00:13:12] Uh-huh.

[00:13:13] But then he's making movies like The Color of Money

[00:13:15] and Rain Man and Born on the Fourth of July

[00:13:17] where he's obviously trying really fast

[00:13:20] to be a big prestige player.

[00:13:22] And seeking out American otors.

[00:13:23] And then at the same time making very silly movies

[00:13:26] like Cocktail, Days of Thunder, Far and Away.

[00:13:29] You know, but on the other hand you got

[00:13:31] like A Few Good Men.

[00:13:32] That's a...

[00:13:33] You know.

[00:13:34] But an important thing to note.

[00:13:35] Nothing...

[00:13:36] No great movies here.

[00:13:37] Good movies.

[00:13:38] But other than Far and Away,

[00:13:40] all of these movies are huge hits.

[00:13:42] All huge hits.

[00:13:43] Far and Away was a hit.

[00:13:44] I think Far and Away did fine.

[00:13:45] I think it underperformed to expectations.

[00:13:46] A movie about Irish people frolicking

[00:13:48] in the countryside it did okay.

[00:13:50] But he was so unbeatable at that point

[00:13:51] and there was like the Cruise Kidman thing.

[00:13:53] Yeah.

[00:13:54] But all the other ones.

[00:13:55] He's got a big tabloid romance

[00:13:56] and he's, you know, a marquee idol

[00:13:58] and yadda yadda yadda.

[00:13:59] And then so he's so big after all this

[00:14:01] and then interview the vampires a big hit.

[00:14:03] Right.

[00:14:04] All of these are at least triples

[00:14:05] of not-home runs.

[00:14:06] Exactly.

[00:14:07] So then we're in the second phase of Cruise

[00:14:09] which I feel like he's like,

[00:14:10] he's trying to sort of exert control

[00:14:12] at every level of the movie making process.

[00:14:14] So you've got, he picks to Palma

[00:14:16] a crazy choice to make the Mission Impossible movie.

[00:14:19] Yeah and sorry.

[00:14:20] And that's the launch of his franchise.

[00:14:21] Just to clarify,

[00:14:22] at this point he has one Oscar nomination.

[00:14:25] For Born on the Fourth of July.

[00:14:26] That's the one he's gotten,

[00:14:27] Cream of Gwaiar.

[00:14:28] Okay so then yes.

[00:14:29] He gets robbed of them for, you know,

[00:14:31] like color of money, Newman wins an Oscar.

[00:14:33] Right.

[00:14:34] He doesn't get nominated.

[00:14:35] He often wins an Oscar.

[00:14:36] He doesn't get nominated.

[00:14:37] He keeps on sort of allooping people.

[00:14:38] If you could men get to picture,

[00:14:40] you know Jack Nicholson,

[00:14:41] he doesn't get anything.

[00:14:42] And then everyone thought he was going to win

[00:14:43] for Born on the Fourth of July

[00:14:44] and then like November surprise,

[00:14:46] here comes a little film out of nowhere.

[00:14:48] Here comes a little man called Danny Day.

[00:14:50] Yep.

[00:14:51] Danny D.L.

[00:14:52] Hits the scene and fucking creams.

[00:14:53] On the D.L.

[00:14:54] On the D.L.

[00:14:55] He slid into your D.Ls like

[00:14:56] mfff

[00:14:58] Dear me.

[00:14:59] Like the Garfield me.

[00:15:01] Slid in like Giffield.

[00:15:02] And then so the thing is after Jerry McGuire,

[00:15:04] which is maybe his biggest hit yet.

[00:15:07] It's crazy.

[00:15:08] Like I mean,

[00:15:09] I think Mission Impossible might have made more money or whatever.

[00:15:11] Top Gun I think is still his biggest

[00:15:13] grocer at that point.

[00:15:15] But Jerry McGuire is in the top like three.

[00:15:17] But I mean also just in terms of like

[00:15:19] it gets the Oscar nominations,

[00:15:20] gets the reviews.

[00:15:21] It has this like incredible long life

[00:15:23] on video and on cable.

[00:15:24] And you know,

[00:15:25] it's so quotable.

[00:15:26] It's like way way it's kind of the Tom Cruise movie

[00:15:29] because he's just playing a guy.

[00:15:31] Yeah.

[00:15:32] Like not playing a fighter pilot or a spy.

[00:15:34] And the whole movie is Cruise.

[00:15:35] The whole movie like, you know,

[00:15:36] it sinks or swims on Cruise.

[00:15:38] And yet it's a great ensemble piece.

[00:15:40] But then after that.

[00:15:41] But this movie is like a five tool player.

[00:15:43] That's the thing you're getting at.

[00:15:44] Exactly.

[00:15:45] Is that it's like it's critically.

[00:15:46] Laugh.

[00:15:47] Romance.

[00:15:48] It gets the Oscars.

[00:15:49] It's a huge financial success.

[00:15:50] Everyday people love it.

[00:15:52] Like it's like a big mainstream success.

[00:15:54] And then it has a huge afterlife.

[00:15:55] What does he do after this?

[00:15:57] Do you know?

[00:15:58] The one right after this?

[00:16:00] There's nothing right after this.

[00:16:01] Well, he does after this.

[00:16:02] He and Kubrick and Kidman link up.

[00:16:04] They go off to make Eyes Wide Shut for fucking,

[00:16:06] you know, endless years.

[00:16:08] And he's out of the picture for like three years?

[00:16:10] Out of the picture and everyone's like,

[00:16:11] what's this movie?

[00:16:12] What's this crazy movie going to be?

[00:16:14] But it doesn't even matter because he made Jerry Maguire.

[00:16:16] So it's like he never leaves, you know.

[00:16:18] It's just sort of echoing around.

[00:16:19] Because then even after Eyes Wide Shut,

[00:16:21] which was so much more financially successful

[00:16:23] than it had any right to be

[00:16:25] because of the strength of Cruise, you know?

[00:16:27] Like anyone else in that movie,

[00:16:29] would have made $2.

[00:16:30] Eyes Wide Shut?

[00:16:31] Yeah.

[00:16:32] Oh, totally.

[00:16:33] My God.

[00:16:34] And it like opened to number one at the box office

[00:16:35] like 20 plus million or something.

[00:16:37] Yeah.

[00:16:38] It was seen as a disappointment

[00:16:40] only by the standards of Cruise's stardom.

[00:16:42] Right.

[00:16:43] Like by the standards of three hour orgy movies

[00:16:45] about dreamlike journeys through fake Manhattan.

[00:16:48] Yeah.

[00:16:49] A-OK.

[00:16:50] But then he goes...

[00:16:51] Then after that he makes...

[00:16:52] Am I too vanilla sky?

[00:16:53] Makes Am I too vanilla sky.

[00:16:54] And makes Minority Report.

[00:16:55] He makes The Last Samurai.

[00:16:56] He makes Collateral.

[00:16:58] Yes.

[00:16:59] And thus ends the second age of Cruise in my opinion

[00:17:02] because then the third age begins which is defined by...

[00:17:04] War of the Worlds.

[00:17:05] It's the marketing campaign for War of the Worlds.

[00:17:07] It's defined by his off-screen behavior.

[00:17:10] Yeah.

[00:17:11] And then he never recovers to quite the level

[00:17:14] we know him from.

[00:17:15] No.

[00:17:16] But he's still a big movie star

[00:17:17] and he still often will make a good movie.

[00:17:18] But here's a big difference.

[00:17:19] But this right here?

[00:17:20] Yeah.

[00:17:21] I think now Tom Cruise movies almost do well

[00:17:24] in spite of Tom Cruise.

[00:17:25] Like when people sit in the theater

[00:17:27] and they watch it and they like him

[00:17:29] then he's doing the magic.

[00:17:31] But I feel like movies now are sold in spite of him.

[00:17:33] A little bit.

[00:17:34] So I feel like Mission Impossible,

[00:17:35] they're like why just like the franchise

[00:17:36] and I like the stunts?

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:38] It's well executed.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:40] And you know...

[00:17:41] He'll do anything

[00:17:42] but it's not sold on his personality anymore.

[00:17:43] There's a real self-awareness about like

[00:17:45] Tom Cruise is crazy.

[00:17:46] I mean I've often argued this.

[00:17:47] That's why the later ones work.

[00:17:49] They argue that he's an insane person.

[00:17:51] The movies are about how he's so crazy.

[00:17:53] Now I also think this is why.

[00:17:55] And Edge of Tomorrow,

[00:17:56] I think the thing was like everyone was like

[00:17:57] ah Tom Cruise and then the concept was so big.

[00:17:59] Here's my Edge of Tomorrow theory

[00:18:00] because it ties right to Jerry McGuire.

[00:18:02] The reason both those movies work

[00:18:03] and those are his two best films in my opinion.

[00:18:05] Well they deconstruct the Cruise persona.

[00:18:06] Exactly.

[00:18:07] They break him down.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] They introduce you to Tom Cruise movies star.

[00:18:11] Right?

[00:18:12] Like here he is.

[00:18:13] He's king of the shit.

[00:18:14] Nope.

[00:18:15] Bullshit.

[00:18:16] And then in the first 15 minutes

[00:18:17] they tear it all down.

[00:18:18] Crumbles.

[00:18:19] It's a facade.

[00:18:20] Best.

[00:18:21] They make him human

[00:18:22] Right.

[00:18:23] You want to see movies where Tom Cruise has to become Tom Cruise

[00:18:25] whereas the old Tom Cruise narrative was

[00:18:27] save for Jerry McGuire.

[00:18:28] Most Tom Cruise movies were

[00:18:30] this dude's the most awesome dude in the world.

[00:18:32] Handsome man achieves.

[00:18:33] He fucking rules.

[00:18:34] Other people.

[00:18:35] Think about like Top Guns like that.

[00:18:37] You know I mean Top Gun is a little bit like

[00:18:39] you got too much ego

[00:18:40] but it's like he's fine.

[00:18:41] But the conflict in a classic

[00:18:43] old first wave Cruise movie

[00:18:45] is always that someone else doubts him.

[00:18:47] It's not that he doubts himself.

[00:18:49] He doesn't doubt himself.

[00:18:50] Most people go hey watch it.

[00:18:51] And he's like I'm fucking Tom Cruise.

[00:18:53] I know what I'm doing.

[00:18:54] And the third act is he wins everyone over

[00:18:56] and then he succeeds more than he even

[00:18:57] was succeeding in the first two acts.

[00:18:59] Obviously a movie like Born on the Fourth of July

[00:19:01] or Rain Man which is a little more serious

[00:19:02] doesn't count.

[00:19:03] But movies like Top Gun, Days of Thunder

[00:19:05] like The Firm.

[00:19:06] Well The Firm is it's

[00:19:08] but you know what's another one.

[00:19:10] Mission Impossible.

[00:19:11] 100%.

[00:19:12] You know that's the first one.

[00:19:13] Cocktail.

[00:19:14] Cocktail.

[00:19:15] That's what it is.

[00:19:16] Right.

[00:19:17] A few good men.

[00:19:18] Absolutely.

[00:19:19] And then there's the example of them all

[00:19:20] where it's just like you're a lawyer

[00:19:22] and he's like yeah I'm a good lawyer

[00:19:23] and it's like you seem like an asshole

[00:19:24] maybe.

[00:19:25] I'm a good lawyer.

[00:19:26] Are you going to win the case?

[00:19:27] Yes.

[00:19:28] What happens?

[00:19:29] Win the case.

[00:19:30] This is maybe the end.

[00:19:32] This is the first movie where it's

[00:19:34] like Tom Cruise movie star persona

[00:19:36] because Born on the Fourth of July is like

[00:19:38] Yeah he's playing a character.

[00:19:40] He's trying to.

[00:19:41] This is like Cashew and the Tom Cruise

[00:19:42] movie star persona but it also is

[00:19:44] the guy struggling in a real way.

[00:19:46] Internally.

[00:19:47] Internally.

[00:19:48] It's a self created struggle.

[00:19:50] And you buy it.

[00:19:51] Because that's the thing.

[00:19:52] It's tough obviously and we were

[00:19:54] talking about this on the Fletch cast

[00:19:56] I remember about actors like Ryan

[00:19:58] Reynolds who are like they're like so

[00:19:59] hot.

[00:20:00] You're like I can't really buy this

[00:20:01] guy kind of having a problem.

[00:20:02] A little too slippery.

[00:20:03] You know what I mean?

[00:20:04] I think this is the problem Crow

[00:20:05] and Cruise make with vanilla sky

[00:20:07] later where they're trying to be

[00:20:09] again like whoa is him right?

[00:20:10] And you're like I don't know.

[00:20:12] But in Jeremy Buyer it works

[00:20:14] where you buy it.

[00:20:16] You buy that he has failed.

[00:20:18] That he's collapsed you know.

[00:20:20] So let's talk about Crow a little

[00:20:22] bit because there's a big gap

[00:20:23] between singles.

[00:20:24] Yeah five years practically.

[00:20:26] Yeah.

[00:20:27] Singles came out in 92 but he made

[00:20:28] it in 91.

[00:20:29] Sad on the shelf.

[00:20:30] Does he just sort of do you know

[00:20:32] what the back story is?

[00:20:33] I mean does he just sort of write

[00:20:34] this as a spec script?

[00:20:35] I mean I know James L.

[00:20:36] Brooks is back as a producer on

[00:20:37] this one.

[00:20:38] He is.

[00:20:39] He goes back to Gracie Films.

[00:20:40] Right and I feel like that was

[00:20:41] a lot of this movie getting

[00:20:42] off the ground was the James

[00:20:43] L.

[00:20:44] Brooks track record was so

[00:20:45] strong.

[00:20:46] I mean as Ben was saying dude just

[00:20:47] fucking prints money for like

[00:20:48] 20 years anything he picked was

[00:20:50] right on.

[00:20:51] Pretty much.

[00:20:52] You know I mean the dude

[00:20:53] chose to mentor.

[00:20:54] Obviously we don't remember his

[00:20:55] failures but that's because he

[00:20:56] had so many successes.

[00:20:57] There was a I'll do anything

[00:20:59] was a big flop.

[00:21:00] I'll do anything is the one I

[00:21:01] think of.

[00:21:02] But I'm just saying even just

[00:21:03] in terms of like Simpsons

[00:21:04] Cameron Crow, Wes Anderson

[00:21:05] like he was like picking

[00:21:06] winners.

[00:21:07] I don't know the

[00:21:08] I don't know the story of

[00:21:09] how this movie came to be

[00:21:10] except for that Tom Crow you

[00:21:12] know Cameron Crow wrote a

[00:21:13] movie about a sports agent and

[00:21:15] they you know James L.

[00:21:17] Brooks produced it and Tom

[00:21:18] Cruz decided to make it you

[00:21:19] know I don't know that what

[00:21:21] if there is more detail.

[00:21:22] That's the thing because even

[00:21:23] I mean we talked about this

[00:21:24] last episode but it's crazy

[00:21:25] that Cruz agreed to do this

[00:21:27] like you go OK of course it

[00:21:28] makes sense it's a great

[00:21:29] screenplay it arrives on his

[00:21:30] doorstep it's a perfect role

[00:21:32] for him.

[00:21:33] It's a defining role for

[00:21:34] him.

[00:21:35] And also Cruz is obviously

[00:21:36] very interested in working

[00:21:37] with big artists because he

[00:21:38] picks to Palmer he picks

[00:21:39] Kubrick after this like he

[00:21:40] wants like big voicey

[00:21:41] guys.

[00:21:42] Yeah but but I don't know

[00:21:44] it's not on that level away

[00:21:45] from that.

[00:21:46] Yeah you know I mean I think

[00:21:47] you see the potential there and

[00:21:48] this is the film that

[00:21:49] crystallizes the Crow thing

[00:21:50] into like I'm not saying this

[00:21:51] is a better movie than say

[00:21:53] anything or a worse movie

[00:21:54] than say anything.

[00:21:55] It's a much better movie

[00:21:56] than say anything because

[00:21:57] it's his best movie but my

[00:21:58] far my point and it's the

[00:22:00] definitive Hollywood movie of

[00:22:02] the last 20 years I think

[00:22:03] like basically well yeah

[00:22:05] and it's a dinosaur it's

[00:22:06] like you know it's so

[00:22:08] great.

[00:22:09] Yeah and we were talking

[00:22:10] last week about how

[00:22:11] nothing here this doesn't

[00:22:13] matter.

[00:22:14] Yeah I mean it's this

[00:22:16] film is crazy you just think

[00:22:17] that like this movie is

[00:22:19] like a two hour 20 minute

[00:22:21] romantic drama.

[00:22:22] Yeah it's 140 minutes

[00:22:24] long so let's get in the

[00:22:25] plot of this movie.

[00:22:26] It's crazy how long it is.

[00:22:27] It's insane but it is I mean

[00:22:29] it's like a six act movie.

[00:22:31] Yes which I love.

[00:22:32] Yeah me too.

[00:22:33] I think three acts are

[00:22:34] bullshit.

[00:22:35] Fuck three acts.

[00:22:36] Yeah the first there's

[00:22:37] a three act movie in the

[00:22:38] first 20 minutes of this

[00:22:39] movie which is amazing I mean

[00:22:40] the first 10 minutes of this

[00:22:41] movie are like a speeding

[00:22:42] train.

[00:22:43] I also think I mean

[00:22:44] this film crew

[00:22:46] Crow hits the ground running

[00:22:48] and he's sort of structuring

[00:22:49] this like a visual essay for

[00:22:50] like the first 10 minutes.

[00:22:51] Sure because he's narrating

[00:22:52] all these different elements

[00:22:53] coming in.

[00:22:54] Yeah you have his mentor

[00:22:55] talking very well edited

[00:22:56] camera which has always

[00:22:57] been his strength but now

[00:22:58] he's really playing with

[00:22:59] the form you know.

[00:23:01] Yeah you know who's supposed

[00:23:02] to play the mentor right.

[00:23:03] Billy Wilder.

[00:23:04] Oh that makes sense.

[00:23:05] Who is Crow's mentor.

[00:23:06] Yes and

[00:23:08] he didn't for some reason

[00:23:10] Wilder said get an actor

[00:23:12] basically.

[00:23:13] Yeah you know I'm not going to

[00:23:14] I'm not going to be as good.

[00:23:15] Who is the guy the guy's really

[00:23:16] good.

[00:23:17] His name is Jared Justin who

[00:23:18] is not an actor.

[00:23:19] Interesting.

[00:23:20] He like just walked into a

[00:23:21] production meeting or something

[00:23:22] or into an audition and

[00:23:23] Crow and James the Brooks

[00:23:24] were like this guy's the

[00:23:25] best because he's the best.

[00:23:26] Well that's like I mean

[00:23:27] he plays Dickie Fox.

[00:23:29] I yeah I love how in

[00:23:31] Moneyball like 90% of the

[00:23:33] guys in the office working

[00:23:34] for the team.

[00:23:35] Archer scouts.

[00:23:36] Yeah like when they have

[00:23:37] that look.

[00:23:38] Yeah when Bennett Miller was

[00:23:39] just like researching and

[00:23:40] he was going around the office

[00:23:41] he was like yeah you should

[00:23:42] just be you know how to say

[00:23:43] this.

[00:23:44] Yeah exactly you know how to

[00:23:45] say five tool player or

[00:23:46] yeah like yeah yeah yeah.

[00:23:47] And the scenes where the guys

[00:23:48] are yelling at Brad Pitt

[00:23:49] have this like met a sexual

[00:23:50] strength to them where it's

[00:23:51] like well these guys are

[00:23:52] explained to Brad Pitt the

[00:23:53] actor that he doesn't know

[00:23:54] what he's talking about.

[00:23:55] That movie is so great and I

[00:23:56] recently rewatched it and

[00:23:57] it's so great.

[00:23:58] I love that movie and I

[00:23:59] would actually say that

[00:24:00] movie is like the closest

[00:24:03] we've come to a J.

[00:24:04] McGuire type thing in a while

[00:24:05] but you look at the

[00:24:06] difference of it didn't make

[00:24:07] the same kind of impact.

[00:24:08] It didn't it did well but like

[00:24:09] that film is also like

[00:24:11] that's a star driven movie

[00:24:12] that's like a character drama

[00:24:14] about a guy having a crisis

[00:24:15] inside sports.

[00:24:17] It has no romance I mean

[00:24:18] which is Jerry McGuire's

[00:24:19] key selling point.

[00:24:20] No it's also that film is

[00:24:22] it's great but it's I love

[00:24:24] it but it's not cynical but

[00:24:26] the thesis of the movie is

[00:24:27] like you can't explain

[00:24:28] failure.

[00:24:29] Sure it's about a man trying

[00:24:30] to fight a broken system

[00:24:31] and realizing that there's

[00:24:32] no way to fight it they

[00:24:33] just you know shit how

[00:24:34] it happens where it doesn't

[00:24:36] happen you know.

[00:24:37] I love that movie.

[00:24:39] Great movie.

[00:24:40] Anyway Jerry McGuire the

[00:24:41] film starts.

[00:24:42] Which Foxcatcher was better?

[00:24:43] I tried to rewatch Foxcatcher

[00:24:44] and I still was gripped by it.

[00:24:47] There are incredible elements

[00:24:48] to that movie.

[00:24:49] Yeah but it doesn't

[00:24:50] it's not watchable like

[00:24:52] it's not watchable.

[00:24:53] No I don't think so.

[00:24:54] I still think it's good though

[00:24:55] I think it's a little

[00:24:56] underrated but it's yeah.

[00:24:57] I don't know.

[00:24:58] It's underrated because

[00:24:59] like it was some of the

[00:25:00] people were shitting on

[00:25:01] it and like praising it

[00:25:02] way too much.

[00:25:04] Like people really like

[00:25:05] stuck to their camps on that

[00:25:06] movie you know.

[00:25:07] Yeah.

[00:25:10] Miller make a couple more

[00:25:11] movies and we'll do a

[00:25:12] Miller mini-series.

[00:25:13] Make a couple more films.

[00:25:15] That scene with the first

[00:25:17] scene with Tatum and

[00:25:19] Ruffalo wrestling is like

[00:25:20] unbelievable.

[00:25:21] Oh yeah yeah.

[00:25:22] They're like scenes in the

[00:25:23] film that are so

[00:25:24] masterfully directed.

[00:25:25] But Jerry McGuire.

[00:25:26] Jerry McGuire.

[00:25:27] I'm sorry it was my fault

[00:25:28] I let us down that path.

[00:25:29] Okay let's talk about

[00:25:30] Jerry McGuire so the

[00:25:31] opening of the film.

[00:25:32] So it's a you know

[00:25:33] they don't do it ever guys

[00:25:34] don't do it.

[00:25:35] Listen to those screenwriting

[00:25:36] it's voice over explaining

[00:25:38] things.

[00:25:39] You've got Jerry McGuire

[00:25:41] is saying like I'm a sports

[00:25:43] agent.

[00:25:44] I'm a big shot.

[00:25:46] Here's here's me there

[00:25:47] I am Tom Cruise and it

[00:25:49] also allows you to like

[00:25:50] I mean he does a lot of

[00:25:51] showing not telling I mean

[00:25:52] Jerry McGuire is talking

[00:25:53] about how he views his life

[00:25:54] but underneath this

[00:25:55] you're like it's a bit

[00:25:56] and you're able to

[00:25:57] extrapolate like this guy's

[00:25:59] a little too smooth that

[00:26:00] great thing where

[00:26:02] the like the athletes

[00:26:03] being like led off

[00:26:05] you know from cameras

[00:26:06] after obviously being accused

[00:26:08] of some sort of sexual assault

[00:26:09] charge.

[00:26:10] And she was 16.

[00:26:11] Right something like that

[00:26:12] and Jerry McGuire is like

[00:26:13] the one thing we all know

[00:26:14] is this guy plays great

[00:26:16] football or what you know

[00:26:17] like and you're like oh

[00:26:18] God he's awful.

[00:26:20] But that's the thing they

[00:26:21] say you know the reason

[00:26:22] they say don't use

[00:26:24] voice over is that it's

[00:26:25] like telling not showing

[00:26:27] right that's like if you

[00:26:28] can't find a more graceful

[00:26:30] way to explain this.

[00:26:32] But this is why this film is

[00:26:33] so smart on so many levels

[00:26:36] though use of voice over here

[00:26:37] is we're going to have

[00:26:38] Jerry McGuire tell you selling

[00:26:39] you yeah right he's going to

[00:26:41] tell you how he views his life

[00:26:43] and you're going to see how

[00:26:44] his life looks from the

[00:26:45] outside and come to your

[00:26:46] own conclusions.

[00:26:47] So he's going like I'm

[00:26:48] great and you're watching

[00:26:50] it going like fuck this

[00:26:51] guy well here's and

[00:26:52] here's what I've so the

[00:26:53] inciting incident in this

[00:26:54] movie right at the start

[00:26:55] is that even if even though

[00:26:56] he's like look at me like

[00:26:57] you know I work for this

[00:26:58] big sports stars and that's

[00:26:59] my job and it's great he has

[00:27:01] this breakdown really early

[00:27:03] on after a hockey player gets

[00:27:06] injured in a sun says fuck

[00:27:07] you to Jerry McGuire you know

[00:27:09] like it's like a 17th concussion

[00:27:10] and the doctors like you know

[00:27:12] and he's like I gotta get back

[00:27:14] all the ice I eat the bonus

[00:27:16] right I got to get the bonus

[00:27:18] and the sun's like how many

[00:27:19] times can this happen before

[00:27:20] it is like that cruise is

[00:27:22] so good at this movie looking

[00:27:23] at his cell phone being like

[00:27:25] it would take all four like

[00:27:26] VR warriors like he's just

[00:27:28] he's not even getting it right

[00:27:29] he's just try to like talk to

[00:27:31] a kid yeah such a good thing

[00:27:33] that kid Drake Bell right it's

[00:27:35] like I knew someone famous

[00:27:37] yeah so good yeah he's just

[00:27:38] because you I remember nails

[00:27:40] that line he does he's great

[00:27:42] because the whole movie hinges

[00:27:43] on that line so the initial

[00:27:45] incident is that Jerry writes

[00:27:47] this mission statement that's

[00:27:48] like our industry's becomes

[00:27:50] a cynical and we should focus

[00:27:51] on less athletes takes a

[00:27:52] long hard look in the mirror

[00:27:53] realizes that he's a fucking

[00:27:54] phony bullshit.

[00:27:56] But then he immediately

[00:27:57] papers it back up that's what I

[00:27:59] love about the movie it's the

[00:28:00] whole movie is him figuring

[00:28:02] that out yeah but it all

[00:28:04] happens in the first 20 minutes

[00:28:05] and then he starts to kind of

[00:28:07] try and like ignore it again

[00:28:08] he he figures it out and

[00:28:10] doesn't know how to actually

[00:28:11] put into action sure but I

[00:28:13] think he's but his personality

[00:28:15] takes a longer time to

[00:28:16] change right because he

[00:28:18] doesn't know how to do it

[00:28:19] right he understands what to

[00:28:20] be he's starting self

[00:28:22] awareness is creeping into

[00:28:23] his brain but it's like

[00:28:24] right it's like taking a while

[00:28:26] to take hold yeah so he writes

[00:28:27] this like insane stream of

[00:28:28] conscious manifesto he goes

[00:28:30] to kinko's he has them printed

[00:28:31] up with a cover that looks like

[00:28:32] ketchup on the rye which he

[00:28:33] rags about he has a shift

[00:28:35] everyone in the office whoa

[00:28:36] whoa whoa whoa let's not

[00:28:38] let's not forget about that

[00:28:39] copy guy okay they have a cool

[00:28:41] exchange remember he talks

[00:28:42] about his balls yeah yeah

[00:28:44] hang your balls out there

[00:28:45] yeah yeah then like that

[00:28:48] I also I like copy shops

[00:28:49] right you like 90s

[00:28:50] technology yep yep yep

[00:28:51] yeah drinking something with a

[00:28:54] bunch of ice in it yeah this

[00:28:57] whole episode you doing like

[00:28:58] fully work it's like you god

[00:29:01] damn it alright you're gone

[00:29:03] I just crunch ice in your mouth

[00:29:06] while we're talking so he's

[00:29:09] still on top of the world yeah

[00:29:11] but what I love is and this

[00:29:12] is all the opening credits are

[00:29:13] playing over the scene where

[00:29:14] he walks into the office and

[00:29:15] they all start clapping for

[00:29:17] him and he by the way called

[00:29:18] up and like he wakes up and

[00:29:20] he's like oh fuck I should have

[00:29:21] sent that out and he calls up

[00:29:22] and he's like do you already

[00:29:23] send it out and they're like

[00:29:24] yep send it this morning

[00:29:25] and he's like fuck fuck fuck

[00:29:26] he walks into the office they

[00:29:27] all cheer him and you cut to

[00:29:28] Danal Logue and someone else

[00:29:30] yeah Danal Logue how do you

[00:29:32] say I go down a load I might

[00:29:33] be wrong about that I know

[00:29:34] you say his name and they're

[00:29:36] like how long you think

[00:29:37] you know about a week you know

[00:29:38] he's we know he's done yeah

[00:29:40] he's cut um and yeah but

[00:29:43] but I like that the fakeness

[00:29:45] lingers even through his like

[00:29:47] supposed calling out of the

[00:29:48] fakeness yeah yeah

[00:29:49] yeah and then I think shortly

[00:29:51] after that we're introduced to

[00:29:52] Rod Tidwell Jr. no shortly

[00:29:55] after that we're introduced to

[00:29:57] Dorothy Boyd played by Renee

[00:29:59] Zell Wecker oh my lord in a

[00:30:01] star making performance I mean

[00:30:03] unbelievable performance and

[00:30:05] wonderful here's the thing

[00:30:06] I've seen this movie too many

[00:30:07] times I've seen this movie

[00:30:08] like 200 yeah you've seen it

[00:30:09] more than me you before

[00:30:10] the episode referred to as

[00:30:11] your favorite movie it's

[00:30:12] maybe my favorite movie yeah

[00:30:13] like in terms of just a

[00:30:14] movie you rewatch over and

[00:30:15] over and over again I know

[00:30:18] Renee Zell Wecker sure you know

[00:30:20] we're ups and downs right but

[00:30:22] every single time I watch this

[00:30:24] movie from the first time I

[00:30:25] watched it on VHS when I was

[00:30:26] like faken eight so like

[00:30:28] watching it you know on my

[00:30:29] faken Amazon X-ray on my

[00:30:32] Amazon Fire tablet last

[00:30:35] night uh huh I go who's this

[00:30:38] girl do you know what I'm

[00:30:39] saying like no I know you

[00:30:40] mean yeah it has a lightning

[00:30:42] in a bottle a star making

[00:30:44] energy where it feels like

[00:30:47] where the fuck did she come

[00:30:48] from even though you know the

[00:30:49] 20 years that follow it sure

[00:30:51] which are ups and downs you

[00:30:52] know she wins an Oscar yeah

[00:30:53] and I'm hoping she has a

[00:30:54] resurgence because you watch

[00:30:55] her in this and you're just

[00:30:56] like she's capable of so faken

[00:30:58] much yeah I don't I don't know

[00:31:01] I don't know that's going to

[00:31:02] happen I don't know it's

[00:31:03] there's not been a lot of

[00:31:04] evidence in like the last

[00:31:05] 10 years that she's sort of

[00:31:06] still got it she's made one

[00:31:08] movie in the last nine

[00:31:09] years yeah I think I mean

[00:31:11] maybe seven six I believe she

[00:31:14] hasn't made a film since 2009

[00:31:16] that sounds about right I

[00:31:17] think it's been seven years

[00:31:18] and she's got Bridget Jones

[00:31:19] three coming out which is

[00:31:20] talk about a hammock it's her

[00:31:21] going back to her her

[00:31:22] franchise if that movie's

[00:31:25] gonna bomb yeah but I don't

[00:31:27] know safe space I don't know

[00:31:29] yeah yeah I know whoever

[00:31:31] doesn't matter I mean let's

[00:31:32] talk about Renee 96 in Jerry

[00:31:35] McGuire who's fantastic yeah

[00:31:37] uh no we're introduced to

[00:31:39] her on the plane remember

[00:31:40] her son is allergic to the

[00:31:42] blanket and he barfs into a

[00:31:43] little barf bag yeah and that's

[00:31:45] a great introduction to her

[00:31:46] yeah it's like so Janusz

[00:31:48] Kaminski shot this film yeah

[00:31:50] and he loves just being right

[00:31:52] up against everyone's face in

[00:31:53] this movie there's so many

[00:31:55] full-face shots that's also

[00:31:56] cruel style I mean all three

[00:31:57] the movies yeah I love that

[00:31:58] too absolutely the three

[00:31:59] cinematographers are laszlo

[00:32:01] Kovacs what's his name

[00:32:04] Takfu Jumoto yeah and

[00:32:06] Janusz Kaminski I mean

[00:32:07] that's insane yeah it's

[00:32:08] murderous Ralph but

[00:32:09] where I would say that those

[00:32:11] two guys that we just you know

[00:32:12] the other pre you know like

[00:32:13] they did fine but like those

[00:32:14] movies like this is a visually

[00:32:15] distinctive movie Janusz

[00:32:17] just having a lot of fun with

[00:32:18] this and I think he

[00:32:19] crystallizes uh look like a

[00:32:21] color palette that matches

[00:32:23] the energy of Cameron's

[00:32:25] performances yeah and his

[00:32:28] um his actors you know the

[00:32:30] dialogue yes like a lot of

[00:32:32] this is shot in like

[00:32:34] autumnal oranges it's warm

[00:32:36] yeah then when Jerry's

[00:32:38] feeling sad it's blue and

[00:32:40] dark and like you know really

[00:32:42] shiny and slick yeah I mean

[00:32:44] this is very much a studio

[00:32:46] film it yeah which is if

[00:32:49] you tried to make this movie

[00:32:50] today it would have a budget

[00:32:52] of 15 to 20 million dollars

[00:32:54] sure but this movie was 50

[00:32:56] yeah and that was 20 years

[00:32:58] ago mm-hmm like it would

[00:32:59] have 15 to 20 million dollars

[00:33:01] today and it would be a lot

[00:33:02] more compressed you know and

[00:33:05] a lot more sort of bootstrappy

[00:33:06] and part of the success of this

[00:33:08] movie is it uh successfully

[00:33:10] portrays the scale of the

[00:33:12] world he lives in yes you

[00:33:15] know yeah from the clothing to

[00:33:17] the environments yeah there's

[00:33:18] all these like brands floating

[00:33:20] around yeah because he's

[00:33:21] obviously lives in this world

[00:33:22] of branding and there's you

[00:33:25] know ESPN is always floating

[00:33:26] like I love you know like

[00:33:27] you're always like yeah like

[00:33:28] into that there's photographers

[00:33:30] everywhere I don't know it's

[00:33:32] got a lot of people and it's

[00:33:33] got scope to it yeah yeah

[00:33:35] big movie I read that

[00:33:36] apparently they made a deal

[00:33:37] with Reebok to like get a

[00:33:39] sponsorship in the movie so

[00:33:40] they could have the Reebok

[00:33:41] products and then they dissed

[00:33:42] them in the movie yeah they

[00:33:44] had a contract that said like

[00:33:46] we will not only feature

[00:33:47] Reebok this much but have a

[00:33:48] scene where the characters

[00:33:49] talk about Reebok in a

[00:33:50] positive way right and they

[00:33:51] not only not didn't include

[00:33:53] that scene but also included

[00:33:54] a scene where people were

[00:33:55] like fuck Reebok and

[00:33:56] apparently they were like

[00:33:57] oh don't worry it's in

[00:33:58] the TV edit and on the TV

[00:33:59] edit they include the

[00:34:00] scene they shot sure the

[00:34:01] nice scene where they're like

[00:34:02] love Reebok good shoes from

[00:34:04] them yeah they were I wear

[00:34:06] a commercial break I wear

[00:34:08] the shoe of Reebok yeah no

[00:34:10] so we meet Dorothy Boyd

[00:34:12] who's this sort of accountant

[00:34:13] at you know she's she's

[00:34:15] on a nobody a peon yeah

[00:34:18] at SMI the sports agency

[00:34:21] but she Cameron Croy is

[00:34:23] genius at least now he is

[00:34:25] yeah like right you know

[00:34:26] when he's making just that

[00:34:27] idea of like she's in coach

[00:34:29] with her sick son and listen

[00:34:32] Eve's dropping in on Jerry

[00:34:33] McGuire like regaling his

[00:34:35] seatmate with the story of him

[00:34:36] proposing to his fiance which

[00:34:39] is like the most like grossly

[00:34:40] awful story which is basically

[00:34:42] like she insulted him while they

[00:34:44] were rock climbing and then

[00:34:45] like you know so he didn't

[00:34:47] propose but then they like

[00:34:48] got caught by a surprise

[00:34:50] like engagement party have we

[00:34:51] met the fiance at this point

[00:34:52] on screen no but we she

[00:34:54] Renee Dorothy says whoever

[00:34:56] nail like snagged it must be

[00:34:58] some classy broad and then you

[00:34:59] got to like like absurd sex scene

[00:35:01] where the dog is watching them

[00:35:03] have sex which I feel like she's

[00:35:04] like they never stop fucking me

[00:35:06] sex I feel like it was one of

[00:35:07] the first like non comedic

[00:35:09] sex scenes I'd ever seen in a

[00:35:11] movie sure that process

[00:35:12] maybe it's a little comedic but

[00:35:14] I mean like it's more sex

[00:35:16] scenes I'd seem we're fucking

[00:35:17] awesome powers you know I

[00:35:18] just like goofballs McGillic

[00:35:20] they are having sex I mean I

[00:35:21] thought all sex was the scene

[00:35:23] and hot shots part done until

[00:35:24] I was like seven or eight like

[00:35:26] I was like you got a fucking

[00:35:27] diving board are you kidding me

[00:35:29] right it's so expensive you

[00:35:31] gotta do this every time but

[00:35:33] this is like one of the first

[00:35:34] movies I saw where like they

[00:35:36] it's a joke because of the

[00:35:38] editing I mean I think it's

[00:35:40] just a position it's not like

[00:35:42] a big joke it's more like

[00:35:43] you're just like oh like this

[00:35:45] is almost a very performative

[00:35:47] relationship on both of their

[00:35:49] part played by a very agro

[00:35:51] Kelly Preston yeah they're

[00:35:54] both Scientologists they are

[00:35:56] yeah she is John Travolta's

[00:35:58] wife to this very day which is

[00:35:59] an element of the Scientology

[00:36:00] thing of just like I'm going to

[00:36:02] exude supreme confidence and

[00:36:04] control my environment and put

[00:36:06] up a real wall you know yeah I

[00:36:09] mean she's good yeah in the

[00:36:11] movie but I think she fits

[00:36:13] into the Tom Cruise thing

[00:36:15] very well because they both

[00:36:16] come from the environment of

[00:36:18] just like you know I see what

[00:36:20] you're saying but I mean I

[00:36:21] mean I think crow isn't doing

[00:36:24] that but I mean I know what

[00:36:25] you're saying I know I'm not

[00:36:26] saying it's an intentional

[00:36:27] thing but I think that's one of

[00:36:29] the reasons why she wants to be

[00:36:30] with a woman I would do it

[00:36:31] like that that that like and

[00:36:33] he and that's another one

[00:36:34] of things it's a tight close

[00:36:35] up she's delivering close up on

[00:36:36] each of the straight down the

[00:36:37] barrel of the lens yeah and

[00:36:38] like there's this I think

[00:36:40] this sort of like it's like

[00:36:42] there's so many parallel

[00:36:43] storylines about the same like

[00:36:45] it's like Jerry is realizing

[00:36:46] like this is the kind of

[00:36:48] like person I want to be

[00:36:50] with if I'm part of that whole

[00:36:52] sort of puffed up like it's

[00:36:54] just everything is so

[00:36:55] performative right yeah and

[00:36:56] like she's very performative

[00:36:57] like you don't have any real

[00:36:58] sense of her personality

[00:37:00] she's more just like impressive

[00:37:02] yeah and like she's very

[00:37:03] proud of how impressive she

[00:37:04] is she keeps saying that she's

[00:37:05] like brutally honest yeah and

[00:37:07] it's like the most ridiculous

[00:37:08] thing ever heard she's

[00:37:09] obviously the like the opposite

[00:37:10] lying to herself entirely yeah

[00:37:12] and and yeah anyway but

[00:37:15] it's it's it's a you know

[00:37:16] it's a good funny scene it's

[00:37:18] a funny scene yeah um this

[00:37:20] movie is I mean aside not just

[00:37:22] the fact that it sort of has

[00:37:23] this five act structure but

[00:37:25] this is one of those films that

[00:37:27] really feels like a novel

[00:37:29] like watching it I have such a

[00:37:31] hard time going like so he just

[00:37:33] sat down and wrote this

[00:37:34] screenplay is hard to imagine

[00:37:35] how he plotted this out right

[00:37:37] and not just because it's

[00:37:38] really good and it's hard to

[00:37:39] believe that anyone can pull

[00:37:40] something off yeah it's very

[00:37:42] unusual it's got no clear hook

[00:37:44] to it you know it's just a

[00:37:46] ride you sort of go on and

[00:37:47] it goes on all these different

[00:37:48] little tangents and sort of got

[00:37:50] all these subplots you know

[00:37:52] it's all this one guy but

[00:37:54] you're seeing his life through

[00:37:55] like four or five different

[00:37:56] prisms until it all finally

[00:37:58] comes together in the last

[00:37:59] moment but it's like you know

[00:38:01] romantic comedy where there are

[00:38:03] long stretches that aren't

[00:38:04] about the two of them where

[00:38:05] they don't get together for

[00:38:06] very long time in the film

[00:38:07] you know well and then they

[00:38:08] get together right away and

[00:38:09] get married right which is

[00:38:10] unbelievable and when that

[00:38:11] happened Joanna watched my

[00:38:12] girlfriend was just like wait

[00:38:14] wait what they just got

[00:38:15] married and like the movie

[00:38:16] starts jumping through time

[00:38:17] much faster but we're getting

[00:38:19] ahead of ourselves we are

[00:38:20] jumping through time yeah so

[00:38:22] there's that scene where it's

[00:38:23] his engagement party with all

[00:38:24] the athletes and they show

[00:38:25] this video of all his ex

[00:38:27] girlfriends including a young

[00:38:28] Lucy Liu yeah I didn't

[00:38:29] recognize her yeah it's hard

[00:38:31] to because it where they're

[00:38:32] all just like he can't be

[00:38:33] alone he can't be alone

[00:38:34] yeah he can't be alone

[00:38:35] like you know can't be

[00:38:36] alone love you too hey

[00:38:39] love you too yeah and then

[00:38:41] he gets fired yeah by

[00:38:44] the great J more playing Bob

[00:38:46] sugar what name I'm a character

[00:38:49] good at naming characters Bob

[00:38:50] sugar Dorothy Boyd Jerry

[00:38:52] McGuire these are good names

[00:38:53] Rod Tidwell yeah how do you

[00:38:56] feel about J more Ben

[00:38:57] this is like big this is his

[00:38:59] big role I feel like he's

[00:39:02] already been on SNL at this

[00:39:03] point am I right yeah it was

[00:39:05] already fired from SNL at

[00:39:06] this point and this is when

[00:39:07] everyone's like maybe he's

[00:39:08] a movie star instead right

[00:39:09] he had done the two yeah

[00:39:10] that's the thing Hollywood was

[00:39:11] just like come on this guy

[00:39:13] got something there's something

[00:39:15] here he's like wildly jerky

[00:39:17] in that way that I love he's a

[00:39:19] great asshole yeah great asshole

[00:39:21] I mean that's what he's and he's

[00:39:23] good in this role at being an

[00:39:25] asshole yeah have you ever seen

[00:39:26] on the DVD I've watched every

[00:39:28] single extra on the TV

[00:39:29] there's like an extended play

[00:39:31] of him doing the cell phone

[00:39:33] monologues J more he just

[00:39:35] did that for half hour yeah

[00:39:37] and it's just an all of

[00:39:38] will come in pass him a new

[00:39:39] cell phone he but hey baby

[00:39:40] hi and it's all improvised or

[00:39:42] he's just like random you know

[00:39:43] and they just shot that forever

[00:39:45] yeah and then cut it in for this

[00:39:46] like big cell phone war that

[00:39:48] they have you do see watching

[00:39:49] this movie how like Sony execs

[00:39:51] like you know people watching

[00:39:52] the dailies the people on set

[00:39:54] could be like this guy's

[00:39:55] fucking popping you know absolutely

[00:39:57] like you know in that movie

[00:39:59] the guy who has you know

[00:40:01] because he's kind of playing

[00:40:02] a baby Tom Cruise in the movie

[00:40:04] I mean that sort of his

[00:40:05] whole function in the film

[00:40:06] is that he's like a little

[00:40:07] little mini Tom Cruise sure

[00:40:08] absolutely that's the idea is

[00:40:10] he's some sort of like you

[00:40:11] surfer right so you look at him

[00:40:12] go like well this guy's got a

[00:40:13] lot of charisma and he's pulling

[00:40:14] off this thing and he's holding

[00:40:16] his own against Tom Cruise

[00:40:17] in this in this big film

[00:40:18] but I think the problem is like

[00:40:20] he's not a leading man even

[00:40:21] though he is you know like

[00:40:23] kind of a handsome guy and

[00:40:24] he's got a lot of charisma and

[00:40:26] he's funny and charming sure

[00:40:27] he's charming in this way

[00:40:28] that's a little upset no

[00:40:30] absolutely yeah when you

[00:40:32] don't even have to think about

[00:40:33] it like Jerry will later be

[00:40:34] like that's naked you know

[00:40:36] yeah there's something wrong

[00:40:37] with him yeah like he has no

[00:40:39] soul yeah I mean the key is

[00:40:41] the reason why he's so good at

[00:40:42] playing assholes is he doesn't

[00:40:43] play them like they're an asshole

[00:40:45] like a lot of assholes

[00:40:46] especially in comedies the guy

[00:40:48] is clearly judging the character

[00:40:49] he's like yeah I'm playing the

[00:40:50] asshole sure and you feel like

[00:40:51] Jay Moore is just like yeah I

[00:40:52] mean Bob Sugar wants to succeed

[00:40:54] right yeah exactly he yeah

[00:40:55] yeah exactly you know like the

[00:40:57] guy's slippery but it feels

[00:40:58] like you get what he's

[00:40:59] trying to do he's just

[00:41:00] trying to you know get his

[00:41:01] his foot on and the ground

[00:41:03] you know plant it yeah and if

[00:41:04] he has to steal an SNL sketch

[00:41:06] that someone else that

[00:41:08] he'll do so yeah I think

[00:41:10] I think you know it probably is

[00:41:11] not that far off from that's what

[00:41:13] I think you know the only

[00:41:15] movies that Cruz has made that

[00:41:17] were more successful than Jerry

[00:41:18] McGuire are the five mission

[00:41:20] impossible movies except for

[00:41:21] three and Topka and and more

[00:41:23] of the world oh really yeah

[00:41:25] that's crazy mm-hmm also just

[00:41:27] want to mention I definitely

[00:41:29] noticed that Jay Moore hadn't

[00:41:30] had any work on his teeth yet

[00:41:32] yeah he's got this little baby

[00:41:33] chicklet tea boy yeah yeah yeah

[00:41:36] anyway wait I I think I think

[00:41:37] wait I know no the more that

[00:41:39] Jay Moore wait the scene where

[00:41:42] they go the restaurant he

[00:41:43] fires him is great that's what

[00:41:44] it's gonna say I love that what

[00:41:46] it was following up in your

[00:41:47] point where he's just like you

[00:41:49] said more like you said less

[00:41:51] clients you said less money

[00:41:53] what are you expecting what

[00:41:54] do you think is gonna have

[00:41:55] like you just can't even

[00:41:56] sympathize and then he's

[00:41:57] like have some sympathy for

[00:41:58] me I have to fire my

[00:41:59] mentor this sucks for me like

[00:42:01] without heartlessly but it's

[00:42:03] also the movie is moving so

[00:42:04] fast at that point right and

[00:42:06] it's got music and it's got

[00:42:07] narration and you're cutting to

[00:42:08] Lev Grossman or what's his name

[00:42:10] not Lev gross Lev Grossman's

[00:42:11] fucking Tom Cruise the

[00:42:12] Tropic Thunder Tiki Fox Tiki

[00:42:14] Fox you know you're like

[00:42:16] you're just fucking moving

[00:42:17] and shaking it's like a music

[00:42:18] video whatever and then the

[00:42:19] scene where Jay Moore goes so

[00:42:21] you're fired and then there's

[00:42:22] that cut to the water glass

[00:42:24] yeah they're like hold on

[00:42:26] the water glass obviously is

[00:42:27] Jerry's like should I just

[00:42:28] throw this in his face like

[00:42:30] yeah like you know and it's

[00:42:31] not like the sound drops out

[00:42:32] but like all the sort of

[00:42:33] backing track like it just

[00:42:34] becomes the scene and then

[00:42:35] they're cutting to the sort of

[00:42:36] other people at the restaurant

[00:42:37] talking looking at him yeah

[00:42:40] came here to fire you Jerry

[00:42:41] yeah and this is happening

[00:42:43] you should say something but

[00:42:44] the but the movie just sort of

[00:42:45] slows down and it's like okay

[00:42:47] this life that he was on this

[00:42:48] constant like sort of speeding

[00:42:50] train is now slowed down and

[00:42:52] now German guys to look in

[00:42:53] the mirror and be like who

[00:42:54] the fuck am I well first

[00:42:55] he has to go back to his

[00:42:56] office yeah trying you know

[00:42:57] salvage his clients right as

[00:42:59] he's being fired unbelievable

[00:43:01] scene crazy scene you want

[00:43:03] this is the thing the movie

[00:43:04] is like like all good movies

[00:43:05] it's grabbing you by the hand

[00:43:06] and just sort of pulling you

[00:43:07] along and here's another thing

[00:43:09] with this movie a reason why

[00:43:10] it's a great movie every

[00:43:12] single scene in this movie is

[00:43:14] good I agree like every scene

[00:43:16] in this movie we're like sort

[00:43:18] of looking at the watch okay I

[00:43:19] get it this is this

[00:43:20] performs a perfunctory right

[00:43:22] function but like I'm not

[00:43:23] interested in it it's well

[00:43:24] executed it's beautifully

[00:43:25] shot it's well-edited the

[00:43:26] performances are incredible

[00:43:27] top to bottom but also from

[00:43:29] a writing standpoint every

[00:43:32] scene in this film has its

[00:43:34] own interesting dramatic

[00:43:36] tension there's some

[00:43:38] yeah kind of energy going on

[00:43:40] each scene where you're kind

[00:43:41] of on the edge of your seat

[00:43:42] you know and I feel like most

[00:43:43] the movies that become

[00:43:45] infamous as sort of these like

[00:43:47] cable movies and these VHS

[00:43:49] movies that people would watch

[00:43:50] over and over and over again

[00:43:51] like Shawshank you know

[00:43:52] there's this thing where it's

[00:43:53] like these scenes just have

[00:43:54] some sort of like some sort

[00:43:57] of pulse in them seen by

[00:43:59] seen basis if you catch it

[00:44:00] on TV you're gonna watch it

[00:44:01] to the end yeah because there's

[00:44:02] no one scene where you go

[00:44:04] let me flip around see what

[00:44:05] else is on absolutely yeah

[00:44:07] so yeah I mean it's

[00:44:09] everything this movie's great

[00:44:10] but he goes back to the office

[00:44:11] he tries to he starts calling

[00:44:13] his clients and you I mean

[00:44:15] this is a beautifully edited

[00:44:17] action sequence essentially

[00:44:18] where he's like you know

[00:44:20] I can cut your rate to 7%

[00:44:22] you know and Jay Moore is

[00:44:23] on the other and be like

[00:44:24] you can't leave like

[00:44:25] we're the big bus you know

[00:44:26] you can't you know he said

[00:44:27] I didn't like I'm Mr.

[00:44:29] Black people that thing

[00:44:30] where it's like in the movie is

[00:44:31] immediately poking at like these

[00:44:33] are shrimpy white guys

[00:44:35] that's something I wanted to say

[00:44:36] yeah and it's true in the

[00:44:38] engagement sequence earlier

[00:44:39] the engagement party sequence

[00:44:40] this is a movie where Tom Cruise

[00:44:42] allows himself to be small yes

[00:44:44] he's very small in the movie

[00:44:45] partly because obviously he's

[00:44:46] acting alongside athletes like

[00:44:48] big people but he lets

[00:44:50] himself be shrimpy yes you

[00:44:52] think like that guy's 5'8

[00:44:53] you know or whatever he's

[00:44:54] like what is he 5'6 5'7

[00:44:55] you know oh he's my size

[00:44:57] yeah yeah it's 5'6 if not

[00:44:58] smaller and it's great

[00:45:00] because he obviously isn't as

[00:45:01] worried about it maybe because

[00:45:02] Cameron Crowe is convinced

[00:45:03] I'm not to be worried about it

[00:45:04] maybe because of the athlete

[00:45:05] thing but it just looks so

[00:45:07] good but I think it was also

[00:45:08] like I need to I need to tear

[00:45:10] you down so I can build you up

[00:45:12] right and you love Tom Cruise

[00:45:13] in this movie more than you've

[00:45:14] loved him ever before

[00:45:15] because you sort of had to

[00:45:16] take the blocks out yeah

[00:45:17] but yes there is that thing

[00:45:18] of like the moment like

[00:45:19] what are you talking about

[00:45:20] I'm Mr. Black where you're

[00:45:21] like these shrimpy little

[00:45:22] guys yeah shrimpy dorks

[00:45:25] in their like 90's

[00:45:26] sports jackets are like

[00:45:27] representing these like you

[00:45:28] know a lot of like athletes

[00:45:30] who are African-American like

[00:45:31] a lot of athletes who are

[00:45:32] obviously a lot younger than

[00:45:33] them are in a different place

[00:45:34] in society in the world

[00:45:36] in their consciousness but

[00:45:37] also it's like the fact the

[00:45:39] mere fact that you're saying

[00:45:41] that is proof that you're

[00:45:42] not of course anyone self

[00:45:43] identifies as Mr. Black

[00:45:44] I'm Mr. Black people right

[00:45:46] it's like well then you're

[00:45:47] categorizing and you're

[00:45:48] separating them you're

[00:45:49] thinking of them as other

[00:45:50] than yourself and then

[00:45:51] of course Jay Moritz is

[00:45:52] like I'm not sure

[00:45:53] I'm not sure what

[00:45:54] he's talking about

[00:45:55] and of course Jay Moritz

[00:45:56] doing the opposite thing where

[00:45:57] he's just being like hey yo

[00:45:58] what's up you know

[00:45:59] he's trying to be like

[00:46:00] you know but I find

[00:46:01] interesting that Mr. Black

[00:46:02] person line Mr. Black people

[00:46:04] line is like that feels

[00:46:06] like there's this ring to

[00:46:07] that scene I think he nails

[00:46:08] it from a performance

[00:46:10] standpoint but there's a

[00:46:11] ring to that scene where I'm

[00:46:12] like this feels like something

[00:46:13] Tom Cruise would have said

[00:46:14] in 2007 you know like

[00:46:16] he's never gotten trouble

[00:46:17] racially but it feels like

[00:46:18] one of those weird things

[00:46:19] he say once he was sort

[00:46:21] of like collapsing absolutely

[00:46:23] as a movie star

[00:46:24] I'll say I've been watching

[00:46:26] OJ Made in America

[00:46:28] okay the ESPN

[00:46:30] it's amazing I watched all

[00:46:32] five yep and I like

[00:46:34] watched an episode of

[00:46:36] that and then watch

[00:46:38] Jeremiah and then watch

[00:46:39] another episode of that

[00:46:40] and it's like pushing them

[00:46:41] between yeah and I think this

[00:46:43] film in its own way

[00:46:45] deals with the

[00:46:47] weird dichotomy between

[00:46:49] the sports industry

[00:46:51] the management of these teams

[00:46:53] the management for the players

[00:46:55] you know these companies all

[00:46:56] being these old money

[00:46:58] sort of rich white guys

[00:46:59] or like new money kind of

[00:47:01] yuppie and it's all in

[00:47:03] service of these like

[00:47:05] you know young

[00:47:07] sort of like just

[00:47:09] sort of gifted I mean

[00:47:11] black man you know these

[00:47:12] men who are just handed

[00:47:13] this amazing ability

[00:47:15] and then work really hard

[00:47:16] and know they have like

[00:47:17] eight years

[00:47:18] sure yeah you got to get

[00:47:19] your money fast because

[00:47:20] especially in a game

[00:47:21] like football you know

[00:47:22] obviously to work it

[00:47:23] you'll be retiring in your

[00:47:24] early mid-30s right

[00:47:26] and if you haven't banked

[00:47:27] all millions of millions

[00:47:28] of dollars yeah what are you

[00:47:29] gonna do like maybe I'll

[00:47:31] work in TV maybe you know

[00:47:33] like you know but there's

[00:47:34] this thing in OJ Made in

[00:47:35] America where it's like all

[00:47:36] these old white guys who

[00:47:37] they're talking to who are

[00:47:38] like Brentwood friends of

[00:47:39] OJ yeah and it's like

[00:47:40] they wouldn't have looked

[00:47:41] at him before he became

[00:47:43] the Jews and the second

[00:47:45] no I know what you're

[00:47:46] saying I know what you're

[00:47:47] saying they were like well

[00:47:48] fuck him he always was a

[00:47:49] problem well right at

[00:47:50] the end right yeah I mean

[00:47:51] and I'm not saying they

[00:47:52] shouldn't have turned against

[00:47:53] OJ Simpson but the beauty

[00:47:55] of this movie is like

[00:47:56] this is one agent dealing

[00:47:59] with one player as a person

[00:48:01] you know he learns that

[00:48:03] the journey you take

[00:48:04] and we'll talk about it

[00:48:05] because of course the

[00:48:06] tension is that

[00:48:07] he's a commodity he has

[00:48:08] his big phone call with

[00:48:09] Rod Tidwell who is played

[00:48:10] by Keeber Gooney Jr.

[00:48:11] and Oscar winning

[00:48:12] performance right

[00:48:13] and Rod is kind of like

[00:48:15] what it's the thing that's

[00:48:17] so prevalent in sports today

[00:48:19] is like an athlete with a

[00:48:20] quote unquote attitude problem

[00:48:22] which like can be a very

[00:48:23] coded phrase but it can

[00:48:25] also just mean someone who

[00:48:26] you know maybe like

[00:48:27] doesn't gel with a team in

[00:48:29] some way or another and like

[00:48:30] Rod seems to just have a big

[00:48:32] like you know chip on his

[00:48:33] shoulder about like oh I

[00:48:34] wanted more money like

[00:48:35] I don't have enough money

[00:48:36] I'm really good at this

[00:48:37] like and I think

[00:48:39] an agent's job and that's

[00:48:41] the dynamic in this movie

[00:48:42] is often like to kind of

[00:48:43] tell the guy hey like

[00:48:45] stop yapping like

[00:48:46] you just got to be quiet

[00:48:47] you got to be nice as

[00:48:48] Rod says you have to tell him

[00:48:49] to dance yeah you tell me to

[00:48:51] dance right and there's

[00:48:53] this dynamic of like

[00:48:55] he has this long call with

[00:48:57] Jerry he's a good player

[00:48:59] he may even be a great player

[00:49:01] right he is definitively

[00:49:02] not a star player no

[00:49:04] like he's like a wide receiver

[00:49:05] don't like him you know

[00:49:07] not they dislike him

[00:49:08] but feel that sort of rush

[00:49:10] and German Wires in the

[00:49:11] business of trying to make

[00:49:12] people love athletes well

[00:49:14] sure because that's the

[00:49:15] whole point of getting them

[00:49:16] endorsements right so on

[00:49:17] and so forth he doesn't care

[00:49:18] if they win games or not

[00:49:19] you know that he doesn't make

[00:49:20] money per game

[00:49:22] he makes money for them

[00:49:24] renegotiate contract yeah

[00:49:26] and people are going to get

[00:49:27] a bigger contract if they

[00:49:28] sell merchandise if they get

[00:49:29] people in the stadium

[00:49:30] people get in the stadium

[00:49:31] because they see the players

[00:49:32] that they love and Rod

[00:49:33] Tidwell isn't loved

[00:49:35] you know no there's a

[00:49:37] line I love thinks he

[00:49:38] should be maybe but you

[00:49:39] know yeah Regina King who

[00:49:41] is unbelievable in this

[00:49:42] movie should have won the

[00:49:43] Oscar for best sporting

[00:49:44] actress we really should

[00:49:45] have watching this I

[00:49:46] was really taken aback it is

[00:49:48] actually insane that neither

[00:49:49] Zellweger nor King were

[00:49:51] nominated well as Zellweger

[00:49:52] was campaign supporting which

[00:49:53] is ludicrous yeah she should

[00:49:55] have been campaign lead but

[00:49:56] she got supporting small you

[00:49:58] know not a big star yet so

[00:49:59] they pushed her in supporting

[00:50:00] she got supporting nominations

[00:50:02] the Globes and the SAG awards

[00:50:03] I think I'll look it up she

[00:50:04] definitely I think she got

[00:50:05] a SAG but that's right at

[00:50:06] the start of the SAG awards

[00:50:07] yeah their SAGs are weird I

[00:50:08] think she was nominated best

[00:50:09] supporting for the Globes

[00:50:10] and the SAG but yeah Regina

[00:50:11] King is phenomenal in this

[00:50:12] movie so far away from

[00:50:13] the SAG and the SAG

[00:50:14] Regina King is phenomenal in

[00:50:15] this fucking phenomenal is

[00:50:16] Rod's wife and also just a

[00:50:17] great actress that we don't

[00:50:18] appreciate we're not doing

[00:50:19] the Rod phone call with the

[00:50:20] show me the money oh I don't

[00:50:21] know if you've heard that

[00:50:22] line let's see the phone call

[00:50:23] no I mean yes I have a good

[00:50:24] line yeah the thing I wanted

[00:50:25] to say I mean I'm skipping

[00:50:26] ahead because I don't remember

[00:50:27] which scene it comes in but

[00:50:28] when one of the scenes where

[00:50:29] Regina King comes into sort

[00:50:30] of renegotiate with Rod

[00:50:32] with her husband and she

[00:50:34] says like I have a marketing

[00:50:36] degree Jerry my husband has

[00:50:38] a marketing degree mm-hmm

[00:50:39] it's like never mentioned again

[00:50:41] but the idea that like he

[00:50:43] understands how this works

[00:50:45] yeah he knows the kind of guy

[00:50:47] he needs to be he knows how

[00:50:49] he should be positioned and

[00:50:51] what he doesn't understand is

[00:50:52] how to become the guy that

[00:50:53] can do this Renee only got

[00:50:55] really crazy okay so

[00:50:58] even get a screenplay

[00:50:59] nomination at the Golden

[00:51:00] Globes that's just weird I

[00:51:02] mean this is like the most

[00:51:03] written movie of all time

[00:51:04] the only reason this thing

[00:51:05] didn't win best screenplay

[00:51:07] at the Oscars is because

[00:51:08] it lost too far go like

[00:51:09] that's the only reason it

[00:51:10] didn't win because it lost

[00:51:11] to one of the best

[00:51:12] screenplays ever written like

[00:51:14] I mean yeah well I mean

[00:51:16] and also yes it's a very of

[00:51:17] course

[00:51:18] like flowery screenplay with

[00:51:20] lots and lots of it's a

[00:51:21] right early famous dialogue

[00:51:22] yeah remind make sure we talk

[00:51:24] at the Oscars again at the

[00:51:25] end of this because I have

[00:51:26] I have a thing to say but

[00:51:27] okay so on the phone call

[00:51:28] he's going through all these

[00:51:29] people and then he learns

[00:51:30] rejecting him there's the

[00:51:32] gymnast scene which I really

[00:51:33] like funny scene she's

[00:51:34] crying and then goes like

[00:51:35] hold on and she goes Jerry

[00:51:37] this hurts me more than

[00:51:38] hurts you hello still Jerry

[00:51:41] yeah it's great yeah and

[00:51:43] then you yeah Rod actually

[00:51:45] wants to talk to him because

[00:51:46] you know he's a like a B

[00:51:48] level star essentially he

[00:51:50] wants to you know he feels

[00:51:52] like he does deserves more

[00:51:53] attention also likes having

[00:51:54] an audience rods always

[00:51:55] performing you know I mean

[00:51:56] it's like he's around his

[00:51:57] house he's always got an

[00:51:59] entourage I mean he's got

[00:52:00] already spiers as a

[00:52:01] little brother but there's

[00:52:02] always like people around

[00:52:04] rod and he's always sort of

[00:52:05] put on a show for them as

[00:52:07] much as he is trying to

[00:52:08] push something incredible scene

[00:52:09] it's such a good scene show

[00:52:11] me the money right so it's

[00:52:12] like you know what you get the

[00:52:14] sense that while Bob sugar is

[00:52:15] just peeling them off going

[00:52:16] through call after call after

[00:52:17] call Jerry can't let him go

[00:52:19] because he's like well I do

[00:52:20] at least have him on the

[00:52:21] phone that's like he hasn't

[00:52:23] rejected me yeah and he's

[00:52:25] frustrated he wants to

[00:52:26] get the one this talks

[00:52:27] about every scene has like

[00:52:29] a couple different types

[00:52:30] of tension going on you know

[00:52:31] they're dynamics their

[00:52:32] conflicts you're watching

[00:52:33] the call lights flicker

[00:52:34] out on his on his switch

[00:52:36] you know his awesome ass

[00:52:38] old school office phone

[00:52:40] there's some there are some

[00:52:43] 90s computer monitors in this

[00:52:44] movie Ben fat I know I was

[00:52:48] watching and I was please

[00:52:50] like jerks off technology

[00:52:53] yeah no that's an outrageous

[00:52:56] statement David all right

[00:52:57] jerk off I was watching them

[00:53:01] we're gonna hear Ben

[00:53:02] jerking off in the background

[00:53:03] this episode after all the

[00:53:04] folio work he's doing what

[00:53:06] we're gonna say there's the

[00:53:07] one laptop they show where the

[00:53:09] screen the actual display of

[00:53:12] the screen is like one fourth

[00:53:14] of the actual size of the

[00:53:16] I had a lot of work the big

[00:53:18] border yeah I said Ben that

[00:53:20] the border no no plastic

[00:53:22] border right we haven't even

[00:53:23] gotten out of the first half

[00:53:24] hour of the movie so there's

[00:53:27] the big phone call war yeah Jerry

[00:53:29] loses he gets one client out

[00:53:31] of it Rod Tidwell and he

[00:53:33] gives him saying show me the

[00:53:34] money he gives him right he

[00:53:35] says you gotta you gotta show

[00:53:36] me the money that's what you

[00:53:37] guys show me the money and

[00:53:39] like black people that great

[00:53:41] cut to like you know outside of

[00:53:43] the office yeah what is he doing

[00:53:45] in there you know yeah and it's

[00:53:46] like pathetic and then he goes

[00:53:49] out into the office and

[00:53:50] announces one more you're

[00:53:52] forgetting no he doesn't get

[00:53:53] pushed to later oh okay sorry

[00:53:54] sorry sorry sorry I guess

[00:53:56] now I remember yes yes I

[00:53:58] apologize should apologize I'm

[00:54:00] very sorry to our listeners I

[00:54:01] have let you down once again he

[00:54:03] goes out and he gives a speech

[00:54:05] I mean Cruz is incredible in

[00:54:07] this movie I kept like yelling

[00:54:09] at the screen look at him look

[00:54:10] at him look at what he's doing

[00:54:11] here every time he goes like

[00:54:13] fine fine fine like he's so

[00:54:15] great at like letting his

[00:54:17] emotions suddenly like you know

[00:54:19] unleash and then like hiding

[00:54:20] them again what's the thing

[00:54:21] where he's like you know I

[00:54:22] know what you think I'm

[00:54:23] gonna do which is flip out

[00:54:25] and he it's not just that

[00:54:27] that he allowed crow to make

[00:54:29] him look small this way but

[00:54:30] also allows him to look bad

[00:54:31] like he just looks like he

[00:54:33] doesn't have it together

[00:54:34] sweaty and kind of yeah

[00:54:35] uncollected and every time

[00:54:36] Cruz when we previously it's

[00:54:37] been about this guy's got it

[00:54:39] together sure and if it's about

[00:54:40] how he doesn't have it together

[00:54:41] it's because he may look

[00:54:43] perfect yeah he may dress

[00:54:45] perfect but inside there's

[00:54:46] something bothering him you

[00:54:47] know not outside yeah right

[00:54:49] this movie like kind of makes

[00:54:50] him look like shit he's

[00:54:51] embarrassing himself and so he

[00:54:53] leaves and because she's so

[00:54:55] moved by his play and was

[00:54:56] so moved by his memo it goes

[00:54:58] coming with we met we forgot

[00:55:00] to mention is that cute little

[00:55:01] meet cute they have at the

[00:55:02] airport where Dorothy's looking

[00:55:03] for a lip nick and live nick

[00:55:05] is on because he's on the

[00:55:06] carousel he's on the high five

[00:55:08] so they've met yeah so she's

[00:55:10] like I will go with you funny

[00:55:12] in this movie he's got the

[00:55:13] funniest little T Rex

[00:55:15] chubby T Rex so she goes

[00:55:18] with him yeah like she makes

[00:55:20] the foolish decision to like

[00:55:21] quit the company and yeah with

[00:55:23] him and then that's sort of

[00:55:25] the start of the movie yeah

[00:55:27] like 35 minutes in almost 40

[00:55:29] yeah it's it's amazing and

[00:55:31] that's it's like okay first act

[00:55:32] dumb but it's also kind of like

[00:55:34] first and second act like yeah

[00:55:36] so good he's starting his own

[00:55:40] you don't smoke no that's true

[00:55:42] I've never smoked a cigarette

[00:55:43] in my entire life me neither

[00:55:44] I've only smoked fake ones and

[00:55:46] don't start yeah and to all

[00:55:48] listeners don't start I mean

[00:55:50] that terrible you're in there

[00:55:51] the raspy cigarette burned

[00:55:53] voice of producer Van Hosley

[00:55:54] over there yeah yeah his

[00:55:56] warning they start the sort of

[00:56:01] outlaw agency that's just going

[00:56:02] to be the two and but to

[00:56:05] secure its future he goes to

[00:56:07] try and get the support of

[00:56:08] Cushman Cush Cush played by

[00:56:11] Jerry O'Connell looking pretty hot

[00:56:13] yeah is Sliders happening yet

[00:56:16] or is Sliders post believe

[00:56:17] not yet I think Sliders is

[00:56:19] maybe when does he slide into

[00:56:20] Sliders we slid into our TV

[00:56:22] like 1997 is Quinn Mallory I'd

[00:56:25] guess 97 no 96 95 Sliders

[00:56:29] has already happened oh wow so

[00:56:31] anyway and and Cushman and his

[00:56:34] father's play by an uncredited

[00:56:36] over it is the great over it

[00:56:38] is the always under use stronger

[00:56:40] than oak yeah so he Cushman

[00:56:42] the Cushman dad is like I'm

[00:56:44] going to stay with you yeah and

[00:56:45] shakes his hand and again cruise

[00:56:47] just that manic little like like

[00:56:50] he does it's so good I love it

[00:56:53] but see this is the one film we're

[00:56:55] talking about how the the

[00:56:57] greatness of the modern Tom

[00:56:58] Cruz like that modern era of Tom

[00:57:01] Cruz films is that they acknowledge

[00:57:02] everything that we find weird

[00:57:04] about Tom Cruz and use that to

[00:57:06] their advantage and this is the

[00:57:08] first film to do that to be like

[00:57:10] seems a little too together

[00:57:12] like something weirds going on

[00:57:14] and all this guy is almost like

[00:57:15] an alien yeah he's putting the

[00:57:17] moves on it's like a little

[00:57:18] he's put a little too much spin on the

[00:57:20] ball you know well and that's sort of

[00:57:22] the the crazy plotline of the

[00:57:25] romance in this movie yeah which is

[00:57:27] that it's almost like it's like he's

[00:57:29] some sort of like gazelle that got

[00:57:31] wounded yeah and then Renee Zellweger

[00:57:34] who's kind of like a bit of a home

[00:57:36] buddy and as a single mother and like

[00:57:37] doesn't go out with guys much

[00:57:38] because she's a single mother yeah

[00:57:40] it's kind of like oh this guy's

[00:57:42] so vulnerable and hot and charming

[00:57:44] and I'm so moved by his mission

[00:57:46] statement maybe I can actually like

[00:57:47] get with him because he's just so

[00:57:49] vulnerable he's really because there's

[00:57:51] that scene early on where she's like

[00:57:53] you need to be alone alone alone alone

[00:57:55] yeah and let's not forget a

[00:57:58] Bonnie hunt the great Bonnie hunt

[00:58:00] is so good plays Renee Zellweger's

[00:58:02] sister Laurel who hosts

[00:58:05] like a women's group divorce

[00:58:07] divorce women's group one of the

[00:58:08] members of the group is

[00:58:09] Cameron Cruz mother yeah she's great

[00:58:11] who also she's in the last two films

[00:58:14] is she I think she's at the dinner

[00:58:15] party and say anything and pops up

[00:58:17] in the movies she plays good luck charm

[00:58:20] I think she plays maybe the receptionist

[00:58:22] at the at the at the boob I don't

[00:58:24] remember something like that oh yeah

[00:58:26] it's a it's a film from 1991 it's

[00:58:28] literally been very good yeah

[00:58:30] camera yeah do camera yeah anyway

[00:58:33] yeah anyway whatever um anyway

[00:58:36] but he gets the Cushman contract

[00:58:38] yes and so he goes to yeah he goes

[00:58:40] to the house he's like we got Cushman

[00:58:41] we're okay and Bob Bridges is like

[00:58:43] I said to myself he shows he comes in

[00:58:46] and he's got the fire and he's like Jerry

[00:58:48] Jerry Jerry we're sticking with you you

[00:58:50] don't have to give us the cell we're

[00:58:51] sticking with you and he like breaks down

[00:58:52] and he's like I said if you showed up

[00:58:54] if you flew out here we'd stick with

[00:58:55] you right and it's like okay he's got

[00:58:57] two but yeah now it's the two friends

[00:58:59] one two he's got two are they two

[00:59:02] well that's the question but so then

[00:59:04] yeah but now the movie's like hey we

[00:59:06] actually have another lead character

[00:59:07] this Dorothy Boyd let's cut over to her

[00:59:09] yeah let's do this she's got a

[00:59:11] sister she's got a divorce women's group

[00:59:13] she's hunting she's Bonnie hunting

[00:59:15] she's Bonnie hunting she's got a little

[00:59:17] little ray yeah and her sister's like why

[00:59:20] have you quit your job to like throw in

[00:59:22] with this guy like you need a health care

[00:59:24] plan you have a son she's like I just

[00:59:26] want to be inspired so fucking good

[00:59:28] I'm the oldest 26 year old in the world

[00:59:30] she Renee nails all this stuff this is

[00:59:33] the secret with Cameron Crow maybe not

[00:59:35] he's writing's gotten bad but I do

[00:59:37] feel like the wrong actor with these

[00:59:39] monologues it's a disaster but but it is

[00:59:41] I mean he he made movie stars I mean it

[00:59:44] was amazing he both would crystallize

[00:59:46] stars you know and and make them he'd

[00:59:51] create them and he deconstruct them and

[00:59:53] build them up even bigger than they

[00:59:54] were before sure um god she's fucking

[00:59:58] good in this way was I bet to say I'm

[01:00:00] the oldest 26 year old in the world oldest

[01:00:02] 26 in the world yeah I've been on I've

[01:00:06] had three lovers in four years and

[01:00:08] the Bonnie Hunk goes and they were all

[01:00:12] like preferable to all of them was like a

[01:00:14] nice warm bath or whatever oh we did

[01:00:16] forget to mention the Eric Stoltz is at

[01:00:18] the party the engagement party everybody

[01:00:20] loves you three for three what's the line

[01:00:22] it's everybody loves you yeah makes me I

[01:00:24] can't remember that it drives me crazy

[01:00:26] something like that he has like one

[01:00:28] liner yeah oh this is the story I was

[01:00:30] gonna tell this I was gonna say I

[01:00:31] remember reading some interview with

[01:00:32] Renee Zawager and talking about how she

[01:00:34] got that part because she had done

[01:00:35] little bit in Texas she master her

[01:00:37] chance on massacre three or four new

[01:00:39] beginning it's the woman the Connie right

[01:00:41] and she had like you know a non-speaking

[01:00:43] role in days and confused I mean she was

[01:00:45] like a Texas girl and she was doing some

[01:00:47] of the local Texas films yeah second of

[01:00:50] reality but she's in love in a 45 she's

[01:00:52] an empire records right yeah that was

[01:00:54] her biggest thing up until now yeah but

[01:00:56] this was definitely like to be the

[01:00:57] second lead in Tom Cruise movie was

[01:00:59] like a huge jump up oh you think so

[01:01:01] yeah yeah yeah I agree with you yeah

[01:01:03] apparently they did the final screen

[01:01:06] tests she went in she did with Tom Cruise

[01:01:09] you read the lines and she felt like he

[01:01:11] did well and she walked out and she

[01:01:13] remembered that her agent said to her so

[01:01:16] the thing they're concerned about just so

[01:01:18] you know not to get in your head about

[01:01:19] but the thing they're concerned about is

[01:01:20] if there's enough sexual chemistry

[01:01:22] between you and Tom they think you're

[01:01:24] great on your own yeah yeah yeah but

[01:01:26] they think sir some weird reason you're

[01:01:28] not having sexual chemistry with Tom

[01:01:30] Cruise you a woman are not connecting

[01:01:31] with Tom Cruise a man carry on and

[01:01:34] she walked out and that like rang in her

[01:01:36] head and the auditioned energy left the

[01:01:39] room and she ran back into the room and

[01:01:41] just like pounced on Tom Cruise like the

[01:01:44] addition I know this you ran back in

[01:01:46] and just fucking jumped into his arms

[01:01:48] and started making out with him and

[01:01:50] then like was like I just want to show

[01:01:52] you that we had chemistry together and

[01:01:53] then walked out and they're like that's

[01:01:55] our star ready and there is that

[01:01:57] feeling of like there is a ferocity

[01:02:00] to this performance not that it's an

[01:02:01] aggressive performance but there's

[01:02:03] because she's somewhat of a downtrodden

[01:02:05] character at least on paper but there

[01:02:07] is a ferocity of this is my chance

[01:02:10] Renee Zellweger the actress to show

[01:02:12] everyone what I got and attacking it

[01:02:15] right which maps onto Dorothy Boyd wow

[01:02:17] which is like this is my shot to get

[01:02:19] my life together and it's nice it's

[01:02:21] nice so but then you know we've got

[01:02:25] a big sequence the NFL draft yeah

[01:02:27] where Jerry realizes that he does

[01:02:30] not have good sugar has good sugar

[01:02:33] has sugar intimidated them into

[01:02:35] thinking like ah you know the teams

[01:02:36] aren't going to deal with Jerry you got

[01:02:37] to deal with me or whatever happened

[01:02:39] yeah he's like if you want to get on

[01:02:41] the team Jerry's not the guy for you

[01:02:43] Jerry walks Rod through the lobby

[01:02:46] and introduces him to people and

[01:02:48] that's nice like that's a fun little

[01:02:49] because Rod's like why is fucking

[01:02:50] spent time with me is like here's

[01:02:51] my time on you Rod gets it I mean

[01:02:53] Rod does say like you know your

[01:02:54] golden meal ticket you know he knows

[01:02:56] the cush is the big the big product

[01:02:58] but Jerry's also sort of going like

[01:03:00] hey I'm thinking big picture I know

[01:03:02] people like you when they meet so I'm

[01:03:04] gonna have you press the flesh and

[01:03:06] impress people because your charismatic

[01:03:07] yeah you're not connecting with the

[01:03:08] audience but these people might like

[01:03:10] you get you one on one so long

[01:03:12] montage of them going around and it

[01:03:14] works it feels like it works it

[01:03:15] feels like people are getting into

[01:03:16] Tidwell it goes back to the hotel

[01:03:18] room cush is just sitting there

[01:03:19] he's got a team Kush hat on he's

[01:03:21] fucking new on the car yeah and

[01:03:24] there he's got a mountain of

[01:03:26] rock sneakers and a guy comes off

[01:03:28] drops off room service he goes hey

[01:03:30] what size you seven and a half because

[01:03:32] why don't you take a couple at the

[01:03:34] door he says 12 and a half which I

[01:03:36] said seven and a half my shoes but

[01:03:38] when I'm Tom a Tom Cruise size

[01:03:40] person when I hear them just like

[01:03:42] 12 and a half that's a big foot yeah

[01:03:44] jeez he has there are four 12 and

[01:03:46] a half yeah how big is your foot 10

[01:03:48] and a half I have small feet oh

[01:03:50] really yeah cuz you're very tall man

[01:03:52] I am I small feet for my height

[01:03:54] 12 and a half if you're in the world

[01:03:56] of professional athlete but it's a bell

[01:03:58] hop who takes the fucking it's a bell

[01:04:00] hop surprising the bell hop has you

[01:04:02] know my brother like kind of knows

[01:04:04] Jerry O'Connell really let him tell you

[01:04:06] the story sometimes it's he broke to

[01:04:08] you let him tell the we should have

[01:04:10] Joey on as a guest 100% yeah this

[01:04:12] should have been a good one he's

[01:04:14] seen this one a lot but 100% we'll

[01:04:16] have we should do that yeah he's

[01:04:18] good yeah um yeah he's got some

[01:04:20] because you know Jerry O'Connell's

[01:04:22] plays it's funny I know and your brother

[01:04:24] Joey works in Rickson theater it's just

[01:04:26] Jerry O'Connell is such a funny creature

[01:04:28] you know yeah like

[01:04:30] the way he keeps reinventing himself

[01:04:32] is so strange yeah they like

[01:04:34] still every other year they give him a pilot

[01:04:36] and he's got that nice marriage to Rebecca

[01:04:38] Romain that's been like 15 20 years

[01:04:40] now like yeah I think like 10

[01:04:42] I think it's longer she was with

[01:04:44] Stamos when she did X-Men

[01:04:46] she was still Rebecca Romain Stamos at that point

[01:04:48] I'm off on that I think it's been like 10

[01:04:50] years she made it through the first three X-Men

[01:04:52] with a Stamos attached

[01:04:54] she used to be my number one

[01:04:56] when I was like 10

[01:04:58] I mean X-Men the first X-Men was like a huge one

[01:05:00] what a shocking pick what an unconventional pick

[01:05:02] Rebecca Romain the beautiful

[01:05:04] blonde model I was so into

[01:05:06] well because I'm not my type anymore

[01:05:08] oh wow congratulations yeah

[01:05:10] uh I

[01:05:12] but um I when I was

[01:05:16] 10 I just like only one fucking X-Men stuff

[01:05:18] you know I just was like who's

[01:05:20] my favorite hottie I don't know someone from the X-Men

[01:05:22] maybe I like Femke Jensen more than Rebecca Romain

[01:05:24] Femke Jensen is great Rebecca Romain is great

[01:05:26] my crushes were just X-Men at that point

[01:05:28] Renee Zellweger is great

[01:05:30] yes okay Jerry McGuire

[01:05:32] so he goes back up he there's a phone call

[01:05:34] he goes let me pick it up yeah he talks to sugar

[01:05:36] and he goes is more

[01:05:38] McGuire in the room sniffing in the room

[01:05:40] he says a hard sniff

[01:05:42] and it's this amazing fucking movie

[01:05:44] and Cruz has this like rick disk grin

[01:05:46] on his face yeah

[01:05:48] he's losing his mind

[01:05:50] oh he's like sweating

[01:05:52] bullets like yeah you were the big boys now

[01:05:54] you don't worry about McGuire like you know like

[01:05:56] this is you need to be with me cuz she's gonna play

[01:05:58] you know it's so gross

[01:06:00] Moore is so good and he just

[01:06:02] stands there in silence

[01:06:04] gritting his teeth oh bridges about it all

[01:06:06] well he my favorite line not my favorite

[01:06:08] line in the movie that has

[01:06:10] the most famous lines of no but a line I

[01:06:12] really like and especially lying reading

[01:06:14] he's sitting there with the gridded teeth sugar hangs

[01:06:16] up and then McGuire just goes

[01:06:18] we have no comment at this time

[01:06:20] to make it look like

[01:06:22] yeah and then he goes you know what

[01:06:24] why don't we just sign something right now

[01:06:26] right you were in the lobby

[01:06:28] with the black fella

[01:06:30] Bo bridges man quietly

[01:06:32] villainous performance well bridges though

[01:06:34] I remember if you watch the directors

[01:06:36] director in cast commentary when

[01:06:38] Bo bridges says with the black fella

[01:06:40] keep it getting junior bristles like you

[01:06:42] could be like easy like

[01:06:44] not about it he's very good

[01:06:46] quietly villainous in the

[01:06:48] sentence to that's a good flavor

[01:06:50] of Bo yeah

[01:06:52] he's he's a skinnier Bo

[01:06:54] I forgot the bow is kind of skinny

[01:06:56] well especially when he started out was pretty

[01:06:58] Husky now yeah he's a husky dude

[01:07:00] you're seeing the landlord the hell I've been moving

[01:07:02] I've never seen the landlord the hell I've been moving

[01:07:04] it's one of my 10 favorite films of all time

[01:07:06] well good for you thank you humble brag

[01:07:08] but a boat bridges is very

[01:07:10] skinny and then he's like really that's a long

[01:07:12] he's like a handsome dude you're like oh

[01:07:14] Bo I'd

[01:07:16] I don't know because now you go like

[01:07:18] well Bo and Jeff you know it's like sure

[01:07:20] one of those guys is a little better than the other

[01:07:22] yeah they're both pretty old at this yeah

[01:07:24] yeah okay so he loses

[01:07:26] kush yeah and then he loses

[01:07:28] Avery his fiance shortly after

[01:07:30] when she's trying to puff him up

[01:07:32] and says you are not a loser

[01:07:36] who said anything about loser yeah

[01:07:38] you know she punches him you know

[01:07:40] she breaks up with her she goes no one breaks up

[01:07:42] with me right and she destroys punches in

[01:07:44] the face yeah good for Avery

[01:07:46] yeah yeah I guess so

[01:07:48] I'm on Avery's side in that scene okay yeah

[01:07:50] she punch him no one breaks up with

[01:07:52] Avery uh Bishop

[01:07:54] yeah I mean neither of us have done it right

[01:07:56] no no have not

[01:07:58] Ben have you ever broken up with Avery Bishop

[01:08:00] which Avery Bishop

[01:08:02] the character played by Kelly Preston

[01:08:04] in the film J. McFlyre

[01:08:06] no I have not

[01:08:08] so then it's like okay

[01:08:10] okay I thought that we'd already

[01:08:12] hit the second act the sort of the low

[01:08:14] but no no now we're there

[01:08:16] yeah and so he goes to see

[01:08:18] Dorothy and

[01:08:20] Darth and immediately like reveals

[01:08:22] like broke up with Avery

[01:08:24] yeah and he's drunk out of his mind

[01:08:26] got a wound on the eye and

[01:08:28] she goes in the kitchen with Bonnie Hunt

[01:08:30] Bonnie Hunt knows what's up she's like dude

[01:08:32] this guy is he'll he's desperate

[01:08:34] he just needs to be with somebody

[01:08:36] and he's like no no no no

[01:08:38] and but Zellweger's also like

[01:08:40] wants it to be the kid

[01:08:42] and also just like leave me the fuck alone

[01:08:44] I want to maybe I want to be with this guy

[01:08:46] like this guy inspired me for a second there

[01:08:48] yeah I just want someone who inspires me

[01:08:50] and then there's a moment I love

[01:08:52] that Crow is so good at these little

[01:08:54] behavioral things and once again they become

[01:08:56] as undoing because he starts trying to like engineer them

[01:08:58] make all movies about them

[01:09:00] but there's the moment where she's got the play to pasta

[01:09:02] and they turn around at the same moment

[01:09:04] and it goes straight into Zellweger's chest

[01:09:06] and Bonnie Hunt just very calmly says

[01:09:08] lean lean forward lean forward

[01:09:10] lean down and she's like making sure

[01:09:12] he'll sit out yeah right and she's like still edible

[01:09:14] that it only stays in the one area

[01:09:18] it's just these messy behavioral

[01:09:20] scenes that just have like each scene

[01:09:22] has like a sort of powder keg to it

[01:09:24] you know it's just like these people are

[01:09:26] they care about each other

[01:09:28] like you know these people have some sort of

[01:09:30] the short hand intimacy yeah

[01:09:32] romantic whatever right so

[01:09:34] while this is happening what's Jerry doing

[01:09:36] oh my god okay what's he doing

[01:09:38] Ray sneaks out of the bag

[01:09:40] yeah little Ray

[01:09:42] dip dip dip dip dip dip dip on his tiptoes

[01:09:44] he sneaks out quite like a mouse

[01:09:46] that shot where he

[01:09:48] you see his head when

[01:09:50] he leaves the couch and you just sort of see his head

[01:09:52] go by it's just the top of his head

[01:09:54] it is adorable

[01:09:56] he's got the funniest head

[01:09:58] he's got a funny head

[01:10:00] he chats to Jerry and you can see

[01:10:02] that Jerry and this is of course the linchpin

[01:10:04] of the whole movie yeah he's like talking about his

[01:10:06] dead dad to him yeah he's like when my

[01:10:08] dad died and you know like he's like

[01:10:10] when my dad retired like he worked for

[01:10:12] blah for 20 years and yeah then he said

[01:10:14] I wish they give me a more comfortable chair

[01:10:16] you know and then he died and then Ray starts talking about

[01:10:18] his dead father he doesn't talk to him like he's a kid

[01:10:20] right but he's actually bearing

[01:10:22] his soul to him right right

[01:10:24] and Ray is trying to do the same and Jerry's like

[01:10:26] I want to talk about my dad and he's like no let's go to

[01:10:28] the zoo

[01:10:30] is the car scene before after this

[01:10:32] the human head weighs 5 pounds

[01:10:34] the car scene is after okay no it's before

[01:10:36] because when he comes down

[01:10:38] he gives him a ride from the airport

[01:10:40] when he comes down to say hi to

[01:10:42] Jerry on the couch he goes

[01:10:44] back to the human head weighs

[01:10:46] 8 pounds did you know

[01:10:48] my neighbor has 3 rabbits

[01:10:50] that's the best fucking joke I love that

[01:10:52] so much I laugh so

[01:10:54] hard every time every time

[01:10:56] that line takes me by surprise because they

[01:10:58] establishes clear dynamic where it's like

[01:11:00] they're gonna compete with facts and Ray's got

[01:11:02] these real kindergarten facts

[01:11:04] and Jerry McGuire has like sport stats

[01:11:06] right and then he just goes with something

[01:11:08] that no one could know

[01:11:10] but the film acknowledges that's funny and Cruz

[01:11:12] like loses it and he's just like I can't compete

[01:11:14] with that and his laugh is so genuine

[01:11:16] and I don't want to say like I don't

[01:11:18] think he's capable of as an actor

[01:11:20] but but I also feel

[01:11:22] like it feels sort of like a take where

[01:11:24] he maybe lost it at Lipnicki

[01:11:26] where he genuinely was just

[01:11:28] saying random shit I have no idea

[01:11:30] or maybe it was just Crow said

[01:11:32] now say this and he said it and it just was

[01:11:34] real funny coming out of his little mouth

[01:11:36] it feels like a real genuine laugh

[01:11:38] and Lipnicki laughs too

[01:11:40] like they all are like Lipnicki knows what he was

[01:11:42] fucking doing he knows it's a fact

[01:11:44] that McGuire couldn't know

[01:11:46] so you know on and on things go

[01:11:48] because the thing is the linchpin of the relationship

[01:11:50] is Tom Cruz and Ray

[01:11:52] well it's a line I love

[01:11:54] I got a great guy

[01:11:56] well that's much later in the movie

[01:11:58] and he really likes me a lot

[01:12:00] he sure does like me a lot

[01:12:02] and so as their agency

[01:12:04] continues their agency being just

[01:12:06] Rod Tidwell

[01:12:08] Rod Tidwell agency

[01:12:10] and Jerry is trying to

[01:12:12] figure out how to represent him

[01:12:14] right and how to make him

[01:12:16] famous essentially he gets like a crappy

[01:12:18] contract offer from his team the Cardinals

[01:12:20] and they're like okay we'll just play out

[01:12:22] and be a free agent you can get a better

[01:12:24] offer if you do well this season you know it's like

[01:12:26] literally that's something happens all the

[01:12:28] time for this day but it's scary

[01:12:30] they don't have the stability

[01:12:32] he's older at this point you know

[01:12:34] the idea is he's in the middle of his career

[01:12:36] he's not old but he's

[01:12:38] probably in his late 20s

[01:12:40] and if it was going to happen it would have happened by now so the numbers might only start shrinking

[01:12:44] he's got a bunch of kids he's got a lot of family

[01:12:46] who seems to be supporting

[01:12:48] two kids got third on the way no he's got one

[01:12:50] kid and another one oh okay sorry

[01:12:52] but he's got a lot of family members

[01:12:54] his kid played by Jeremy Suarez Tyson

[01:12:56] by the way is adorable who does the

[01:12:58] big man is back

[01:13:00] he's great but they're the things like

[01:13:02] you know he's got his brothers around with him all the time

[01:13:04] I mean it's always it's a full house

[01:13:06] you're militant but I love you got nothing but love for you

[01:13:10] I could quote this whole move the older one's the one

[01:13:12] who lost the foot the older one's the one who lost the foot

[01:13:14] but you don't see him except for the one

[01:13:16] who's seen where he's like in his room by the computer

[01:13:18] and there's like a leak there's like

[01:13:20] there's like water damage on the walls

[01:13:22] he's got a Janet Jackson poster

[01:13:24] which I think is a reference to the fact that Janet Jackson almost played the Regina King part

[01:13:26] yes

[01:13:28] was originally cast

[01:13:30] and then I think dropped out for music stuff

[01:13:32] and then they cast

[01:13:34] Regina King in the best performance of all time

[01:13:36] great call yeah Regina King

[01:13:38] basically looks the same these days

[01:13:40] it's kind of crazy and she's

[01:13:42] it's so good I mean I watch

[01:13:44] I don't know if you guys watch American Crime

[01:13:46] but she's amazing on that show on ABC

[01:13:48] one Emmy for that right?

[01:13:50] which was just like yeah about time someone gives her a reward for something

[01:13:52] she's been doing such solid work

[01:13:54] for like fucking 25 years

[01:13:56] she's so good in um

[01:13:58] Ray

[01:14:00] which is not a great movie or anything but she's to me the sort of stand out of it

[01:14:02] I agree another film

[01:14:04] in which the person who played her husband won the Oscar

[01:14:06] and she arguably was doing the tougher job

[01:14:08] sure the heavy lifting

[01:14:10] you know to make the performance really same

[01:14:12] I think Cuba deserved his Oscar but yeah

[01:14:14] here's the thing

[01:14:16] on one hand I think Cuba deserved his Oscar

[01:14:18] on the other hand

[01:14:20] it's probably my least favorite of like the eight main performances

[01:14:22] in the film

[01:14:24] oh really? yeah

[01:14:26] and I don't mean as any slight as him

[01:14:28] I think Cruz is better

[01:14:30] I think Zellweger is better

[01:14:32] I think King is better

[01:14:34] I think Lidnicki is better

[01:14:36] yeah it's not

[01:14:38] flipping my nose at

[01:14:40] at gooding I just think the film is so loaded

[01:14:42] with incredible performances and he has

[01:14:44] the showiest character

[01:14:46] he has a show character I don't disagree with you

[01:14:48] I just think he also nails the quiet moments

[01:14:50] which is why it's to me top shelf

[01:14:52] like the scenes where

[01:14:54] that scene where he's watching

[01:14:56] the wedding tape yeah and you just see

[01:14:58] his face like like he's like got a

[01:15:00] big grin on his face because he's happy for

[01:15:02] uh we'll get to it in a second

[01:15:04] and you just see his face like just shift not even fall

[01:15:06] and he realizes like

[01:15:08] oh they have no idea what they're doing

[01:15:10] going into this like they don't know why they got married

[01:15:12] yeah you didn't have to talk did you

[01:15:14] then he says it but we already know

[01:15:16] it yeah he does that

[01:15:18] he does great stuff like that throughout the movie

[01:15:20] I'll just say this I guess if you go okay

[01:15:22] in a fair world the four

[01:15:24] leads of this film would have been nominated as

[01:15:26] Cruz, Lidn, Zellweger

[01:15:28] Lidn, King supporting, Gooding supporting

[01:15:30] of those four

[01:15:32] and Huff would have been nominated for supporting too

[01:15:34] and not one but she would have been nominated

[01:15:36] for Gooding's My Least Favor

[01:15:38] and then Nikki would be nominated for supporting

[01:15:40] of those four Gooding would be My Least Favor

[01:15:42] I'll get it, he's great

[01:15:44] I don't know, Regina King I just

[01:15:46] think should have won for this one

[01:15:48] whatever she didn't but she wouldn't have been

[01:15:50] in competition with him anyway

[01:15:52] anyway moving on

[01:15:54] he's talking to Ray

[01:15:56] they have a great conversation

[01:15:58] my mom's coming back out he's a guest

[01:16:00] we'll see you later

[01:16:02] Ray slips out

[01:16:04] he looks genuinely astonished

[01:16:06] and there's this thing they're shooting him from

[01:16:08] like three quarters

[01:16:10] and his like sitting sideways on the couch

[01:16:12] but it looks like the couch is eating him

[01:16:14] he's small

[01:16:16] he's like a rag dog, he's like a ventriloquist dummy

[01:16:18] don't reach the whole cushion

[01:16:20] they don't cover the whole couch cushion

[01:16:22] because he's a little guy

[01:16:24] um

[01:16:26] and then Renesza comes back out she's changing to

[01:16:28] a different shirt

[01:16:30] yeah but then and he gives a drunken speech

[01:16:32] and he goes right away

[01:16:34] he realizes how drunk he is

[01:16:36] but he does make out with her and grab her boob

[01:16:38] she calls in boss, he says he feels like

[01:16:40] Clarence Thomas which is a big laugh to this day

[01:16:42] just to show you how much

[01:16:44] Clarence Thomas's alleged sexual harassment

[01:16:46] has lingered in the culture

[01:16:48] I just love it

[01:16:50] now I feel like Clarence Thomas

[01:16:52] I love the slizziness

[01:16:54] of he goes in for the kiss

[01:16:56] immediately with the hand on the boob

[01:16:58] he has the boob hand before the lip

[01:17:00] they're simultaneous and I also think

[01:17:02] he's me age 15

[01:17:04] yeah right that's the thing

[01:17:06] this really could be a

[01:17:08] sort of like grito shot first kind of thing

[01:17:10] where you go like

[01:17:12] what touches the boob skin first

[01:17:14] but the thing I love about it is

[01:17:16] sorry about the hand

[01:17:18] but when he says it

[01:17:20] he does the gesture because it's not even just

[01:17:22] like he places a palm on the breast

[01:17:24] he's grabbing it

[01:17:26] it's like a claw hand

[01:17:28] he wants to steal the boob

[01:17:30] he wants to reach the boob and put it in his pocket

[01:17:32] but that's what I like the movie could so easily

[01:17:34] be about him being a total jerk

[01:17:36] but you get that he's vulnerable

[01:17:38] she knows he's vulnerable

[01:17:40] they know that they like each other

[01:17:42] in some form or another

[01:17:44] at this point they're like probably not a good idea

[01:17:46] even if we like each other

[01:17:48] this is probably is not

[01:17:50] and then the next day she goes in the office

[01:17:52] and she's like alone alone alone

[01:17:54] you just need to be alone

[01:17:56] she's like I know a great play

[01:17:58] okay now I know you guys like this movie

[01:18:00] and you like these characters

[01:18:02] that is kind of gross

[01:18:04] that scene a little bit right

[01:18:06] no okay fine

[01:18:08] raise your objection though it's good

[01:18:10] yeah I'd love to hear your argument

[01:18:12] I mean he is her boss

[01:18:14] correct and that

[01:18:16] the way that plays out is

[01:18:18] he's drunk and I don't know it's a little

[01:18:20] gross I'm just saying

[01:18:22] that's all the drunk scene or the scene afterwards

[01:18:24] the drunk scene oh yeah 100%

[01:18:26] that scene is supposed to be gross oh that scene is very gross

[01:18:28] yeah it's another low point

[01:18:30] but I'm saying it's like a little harassy

[01:18:32] yes that's why he says he feels like Clarence Thomas

[01:18:34] no I know but I'm saying it's like

[01:18:36] we're also supposed to be like oh that

[01:18:38] Tom Cruise and

[01:18:40] I don't know what this movie is

[01:18:42] this movie isn't about like oh that

[01:18:44] it's like no these are things that happen

[01:18:46] to people I think the thesis of this

[01:18:48] movie is Tom Cruise shouldn't be this Tom

[01:18:50] Cruise-y like he grabs the boob because

[01:18:52] he thinks he's Tom Cruise

[01:18:54] he says you complete me at the end of the

[01:18:56] movie because he's not trying to be Tom Cruise

[01:18:58] anymore he's just

[01:19:00] to quote another film a guy standing in

[01:19:02] front of a girl telling her that he loves her

[01:19:04] right to paraphrase another movie

[01:19:06] I switched to the gender

[01:19:08] they go to dinner

[01:19:10] they go to dinner

[01:19:12] she's wearing a dress she looks great

[01:19:14] that's on a dress that's an Audrey Hepburn movie

[01:19:16] another amazing line Todd Luiso

[01:19:18] plays the nanny

[01:19:20] slash child technician slash au pair

[01:19:22] another amazing actor another amazing

[01:19:24] performance great great little like

[01:19:26] three-scene performance who's obsessed with jazz

[01:19:28] yeah and clearly

[01:19:30] at least held a torch

[01:19:32] for Dorothy

[01:19:34] maybe or maybe he dated her briefly

[01:19:36] and it didn't work out maybe he's one of the three lovers

[01:19:38] who was not as good as a bath

[01:19:40] I smell a strong unrequited

[01:19:42] vibe quite possible yeah

[01:19:44] but he's kind of open about it where he's

[01:19:46] like treat her right you know yeah

[01:19:48] he gives Jerry Maguire

[01:19:50] a mix tape

[01:19:52] a cassette

[01:19:54] of jazz jazz

[01:19:56] of Coltrane and Davis

[01:19:58] Stockholm in 1963 before their culture

[01:20:00] was ruined by a thousand bar rooms

[01:20:02] and like whatever yeah now here's a question

[01:20:04] he goes oh that's not what I thought you were going to give me

[01:20:06] right right because he thinks he's reaching for a condom

[01:20:08] that was my question okay so that's the joke

[01:20:10] if you're gonna he's like

[01:20:12] you know he's like uh

[01:20:14] you know if you're gonna spend on that I just want to give you

[01:20:16] and Jerry goes like oh god don't

[01:20:18] you know like he obviously thinks he's gonna produce

[01:20:20] some sort of prophylactic have you ever

[01:20:22] had someone give you a condom without asking

[01:20:24] for it

[01:20:26] I don't think that's the weird part of that joke

[01:20:28] because I can't write it's a little

[01:20:30] it's a little it's a little bit of a

[01:20:32] but then the jazz tape makes up for it and then of course they listen to the music when they have sex

[01:20:36] and they're like Jerry's like no

[01:20:38] what is this music

[01:20:40] yeah it's great there's

[01:20:42] the amazing scene my reaction

[01:20:44] to everything in this movie is great

[01:20:46] that's how I react it is great

[01:20:48] um there's the

[01:20:50] oh god when he brings her back

[01:20:52] home and then I mean is there anything we need to cover in the day to tell

[01:20:54] no no no

[01:20:56] yeah you know there's the Marriott

[01:20:58] she's buying the plays next to the movie that's very funny

[01:21:00] there's lots of great stuff I mean

[01:21:02] you know there's the scene where they're making

[01:21:04] out and he he breaks her

[01:21:06] I mean not her dress strap yeah

[01:21:08] and ties it back together

[01:21:10] I mean god fuck

[01:21:12] hard to make it is hard to sometimes

[01:21:14] to make crews have chemistry

[01:21:16] like some of these doesn't mean I like Kelly Miguel's

[01:21:18] or you know like some of his female co-stars

[01:21:20] yeah they he doesn't mean

[01:21:22] I mean top gun that movie starring

[01:21:24] two people who don't like the other gender

[01:21:26] wait a second relax

[01:21:28] relax I don't want to go down

[01:21:30] that road that's I'm not into that

[01:21:32] uh I the thing

[01:21:34] I think is so amazing about the dress

[01:21:36] strap moment is that it's the sexiest

[01:21:38] uh

[01:21:40] depiction of someone putting

[01:21:42] on clothes I've ever seen yeah it's a good

[01:21:44] it's a good putting on clothes like he

[01:21:46] hits the thing by accident and that's like

[01:21:48] oh you watch it and you go like oh is he gonna

[01:21:50] fucking undress her on the porch like is he gonna

[01:21:52] you know is he gonna take out the boob hand

[01:21:54] again and it's like no in the most seductive way

[01:21:56] possible he makes her more

[01:21:58] close he puts it back together right so

[01:22:00] this is his learning slowly well no it's

[01:22:02] I think more like he's a little more collected

[01:22:04] yeah this is him being sexy

[01:22:06] Jeremy Guire again who's probably you

[01:22:08] know probably a bit of a ladies man yeah

[01:22:10] you know he's sort of got he's got a little bit of the magic

[01:22:12] back not to mention that black book is torch so

[01:22:14] he can't go back to the old chestnut there's also

[01:22:16] the scene where can play the hit during the sex

[01:22:18] scene where she opens the door and he's kind of standing

[01:22:20] there like looking like a put you know sexy

[01:22:22] Tom Cruise and she just close immediately slams

[01:22:24] it and then waits a moment and then opens up again

[01:22:26] he's laughing and he's like I did the fucking

[01:22:28] yeah I'm Tom Cruise I'm gonna do the Tom Cruise

[01:22:30] thing yeah that's great

[01:22:32] I've always said I'll say it a thousand

[01:22:34] times I like movies where characters laugh at

[01:22:36] each other yeah we're characters we talked

[01:22:38] about many things in the universe of the movie

[01:22:40] and the movie acknowledges that that's funny

[01:22:42] I hate movies where characters do something funny

[01:22:44] everyone else goes what and the audience is

[01:22:46] supposed to laugh and everyone else is just like

[01:22:48] astonished and it's like think about how many

[01:22:50] times you laugh uncomfortably it's something you shouldn't laugh

[01:22:52] at yeah

[01:22:54] things are fun the thing that

[01:22:56] happens though is Dorothy quickly

[01:22:58] they start dating oh god no there's

[01:23:00] the the breakfast scene

[01:23:02] where he over here's her being

[01:23:04] like I love how vulnerable this guy is

[01:23:06] you know I love like and Bonnie Hunts

[01:23:08] like slow down slow down slow down slow down

[01:23:10] and like you know she calls him a bottom

[01:23:12] feeder or like at the bottom of the rung

[01:23:14] and cruise you know Jerry hears it all

[01:23:16] right and then she goes like I don't care

[01:23:18] I love the difference with this guy is I love him

[01:23:20] I mean love with him and she's like don't say that

[01:23:22] don't say that and Jerry's listening to the whole thing

[01:23:24] and then Ray rumbles and he's like hey Jerry

[01:23:26] yeah and he just I love

[01:23:28] the scenes perfect like any other Hollywood

[01:23:30] movie would play that scene for drama

[01:23:32] or for awkwardness or whatever and Jerry's

[01:23:34] just like we bottom feeders start with breakfast

[01:23:36] like start with cereal before we get our coffee

[01:23:38] but there's even a great moment before

[01:23:40] hunt and Zellager start talking

[01:23:42] where they're just futzing with the coffee

[01:23:44] machine and it's that moment of like

[01:23:46] are we gonna talk about it yeah we're just

[01:23:48] right like where are we gonna have

[01:23:50] the conversation can I know what's

[01:23:52] going on do you I know you don't want to hear

[01:23:54] what I have to say yeah

[01:23:56] um so now they're now they're

[01:23:58] dating they're dating

[01:24:00] but then they quickly D'Arth he's like

[01:24:02] this isn't working I don't make

[01:24:04] any money like you can't do this

[01:24:06] I don't want to be a burden on you

[01:24:08] I have health insurance I gotta take care of my kid

[01:24:10] she like takes another job she's gonna

[01:24:12] move and

[01:24:14] Bonnie Hunt supports this

[01:24:16] 100% she's like good

[01:24:18] he's still very vulnerable you guys don't know what

[01:24:20] you're doing and

[01:24:22] she's about to move she's getting

[01:24:24] in the U-Haul yeah and

[01:24:26] what does Jerry do before

[01:24:28] he talks to Bonnie before he talks

[01:24:30] to Dorothy talks to Ray

[01:24:32] in the car yeah he's trying to be like

[01:24:34] don't worry I'll see you all the time he just says

[01:24:36] do you remember what he says

[01:24:38] go ahead and go

[01:24:40] little little lip-nicky it's so great

[01:24:42] great

[01:24:44] listening to some of our podcast

[01:24:46] if you wouldn't mind just tweeting at

[01:24:48] Jay Lipnicky great job

[01:24:50] just tweet great job at him we're not

[01:24:53] he did a great job just tweet

[01:24:55] just tweet you did a great job

[01:24:57] you did a great at Jay Lipnicky

[01:24:59] on Twitter you did a great job right

[01:25:01] hashtag the two friends

[01:25:03] hashtag the two friends include it

[01:25:05] there you did a great job hashtag

[01:25:07] the two friends I just think it's important

[01:25:09] that Jerry talks to Ray first because the movie

[01:25:11] never lets go of that idea that it's like Jerry

[01:25:13] loves the kids so much loves

[01:25:15] and like loves the adoration but also like

[01:25:17] when Ray gives him the little hug

[01:25:19] before they go on the date with the little

[01:25:21] arms freaking out and she's like

[01:25:23] he clearly needs like a you know

[01:25:25] he's been missing like a dad present

[01:25:27] and no one else has worked like that

[01:25:29] you know because the thing by

[01:25:31] Hunt says is like do you want like you know

[01:25:33] Ray seeing some man in the house

[01:25:35] who he's gonna have to say goodbye to or you know

[01:25:37] right right and it's like

[01:25:39] I mean yeah

[01:25:41] it's great he's not he's not going

[01:25:43] anywhere it's more just that Laurel thinks

[01:25:45] like this isn't you know he doesn't

[01:25:47] love you he loved the kid like

[01:25:49] right she's

[01:25:51] kind of right about because then he's

[01:25:53] like what if you don't go what if we just get married

[01:25:55] yeah that's a way to solve this problem

[01:25:57] right and she's like

[01:25:59] don't just say that unless you mean

[01:26:01] it unless you mean it

[01:26:03] boy so heartbreakingly

[01:26:05] good and he lowers her sunglasses

[01:26:07] and the answer is in her eyes

[01:26:11] we're so goofy

[01:26:13] don't worry we'll be mean to later camera

[01:26:15] crew movie will we I don't know

[01:26:17] I think we will I love crow

[01:26:19] I just I feel like I

[01:26:21] it's like it's like a warm bath I keep on

[01:26:23] using the same and I'll do but I get

[01:26:25] like a warm light some candles

[01:26:27] yeah you let some candles you drink some hot cocoa

[01:26:29] while you're in the back you know some bathtub cocoa

[01:26:31] yeah yeah you play

[01:26:33] a springsteen album play secret garden by springsteen

[01:26:35] yeah is a song written for

[01:26:37] this movie great

[01:26:39] the one that's like

[01:26:43] um

[01:26:51] yes

[01:26:53] yeah

[01:26:55] and then we start just jumping through time

[01:26:57] yeah the thing the movie really picks

[01:26:59] because it's supposed to be set over an entire NFL

[01:27:01] season in the middle

[01:27:03] like that starts in the middle yeah

[01:27:05] and it ends at the end of the NFL

[01:27:07] season I love it I mean this is

[01:27:09] storytelling risk you know seriously

[01:27:11] but this is this is why like good I

[01:27:13] drop my phone you were looking because

[01:27:15] a drop happened it was my phone I

[01:27:17] dropped my sure

[01:27:19] because I'm about to say dramatic and I

[01:27:21] I don't want to drop them like because

[01:27:23] they're bends in their expenses

[01:27:25] um

[01:27:27] a thing I love about this movie is

[01:27:29] talking about this thing I have every scene

[01:27:31] is interesting is engaging is entertaining

[01:27:33] yes is insightful in this movie

[01:27:35] this movie skips over

[01:27:37] like the scenes that you don't need

[01:27:39] to see it's not just that every

[01:27:41] scene he has in the film he

[01:27:43] invests a couple different layers on

[01:27:45] to them so you can't really wrap your

[01:27:47] fingers around the scenes there's some

[01:27:49] weird sort of elements you got to

[01:27:51] kind of lean in to figure out but it

[01:27:53] also is like you don't need to see them

[01:27:55] planning the wedding gives a shit no they

[01:27:57] get married in her backyard yeah

[01:27:59] rod sings what's going on

[01:28:01] I just say this all the time

[01:28:03] but I get so frustrated when I see

[01:28:05] movies that feel like they have this

[01:28:07] very didactic approach of like what a

[01:28:09] movie needs to be sure and how it needs

[01:28:11] to lay out at the plot and I say all

[01:28:13] the time like a movie can be anything

[01:28:15] can do anything at any moment

[01:28:17] so if you want to just have them be married

[01:28:19] just cut to them being married yeah if

[01:28:21] there was something important that happened

[01:28:23] along the process I trust you would show me

[01:28:25] that one scene absolutely but why not

[01:28:27] just jump ahead the wedding's great

[01:28:29] wedding's great it's adorable

[01:28:31] yeah it seems like it goes off wonderfully

[01:28:33] and then they're watching the video a

[01:28:35] little later yeah and you see just

[01:28:37] like Jerry's face

[01:28:39] as he's getting ready for like the

[01:28:41] ceremony yeah and he looks

[01:28:43] like he's about to go off to war like it just looks

[01:28:45] terrible and that like

[01:28:47] that's what I was talking about that scene

[01:28:49] cuba goodie jr plays so well where he watches

[01:28:51] his face like you see his face fall as he

[01:28:53] realizes like because he's already said

[01:28:55] they've had the conversation about shoplifting

[01:28:57] the poony yeah you know where he's

[01:28:59] basically saying like this is not

[01:29:01] like a woman you can just casually

[01:29:03] date or just have a round mother you

[01:29:05] can't do that to be with somebody yeah

[01:29:07] this is a real thing and robberies raised by

[01:29:09] single mother that's the big thing is rod

[01:29:11] you can't do this all the time we're doing

[01:29:13] entering her life with the son

[01:29:15] right and you can't just do this

[01:29:17] I have you gotta be in love

[01:29:19] problem is that Jerry takes that

[01:29:21] because he takes everything seriously he's

[01:29:23] like okay alright well I guess this is

[01:29:25] the thing to do well rods these

[01:29:27] is you can't be with her if you're not

[01:29:29] in love with her the whole tree Jerry's

[01:29:31] thing is well then I should marry her

[01:29:33] and he's like no no no you gotta

[01:29:35] be in love with her

[01:29:37] and later he asked like why did you

[01:29:39] and rod just starts laughing at him because

[01:29:41] but like the whole trick of this movie

[01:29:43] the whole trick the Cameron Crow pulls

[01:29:45] is that he is in love with her

[01:29:47] and he is from early on doesn't realize

[01:29:49] and he's figuring it out yeah

[01:29:51] and like yeah it's like a backwards

[01:29:53] relationship they get married almost

[01:29:55] break up and then realize that no

[01:29:57] actually we like to be together

[01:29:59] it's not just like that I miss

[01:30:01] people I miss you but

[01:30:03] like and it's the thing of like you

[01:30:05] know it can't love somebody until

[01:30:07] you love yourself you know sure right

[01:30:09] he needs to figure himself out he just doesn't know who

[01:30:11] he is yet so he's not capable of engaging

[01:30:13] with someone in that way he finally

[01:30:15] so the movie progresses to this big football

[01:30:17] scene at the end of the movie where rod

[01:30:19] gets a big success you know and then

[01:30:21] there's I like that you

[01:30:23] skip ahead very quickly the relationship just

[01:30:25] sort of like it kind of falls apart right

[01:30:27] and Dorothy kind of breaks up with him

[01:30:29] and she has the speech where she says my

[01:30:31] favorite line in the film this is genuinely

[01:30:33] my favorite line great line you know he loves my

[01:30:35] kidney sure does like me a lot yeah this great guy

[01:30:37] he loves me loves me getting sure it was like

[01:30:39] yeah and she just says I think

[01:30:41] this next road trip you take

[01:30:43] should be a break right you know

[01:30:45] and she's just saying sort of like I love

[01:30:47] that she's the one who kind of breaks up with him

[01:30:49] and she's like look

[01:30:51] on the surface it all is

[01:30:53] working but it just doesn't feel right

[01:30:55] and I can't put him through this I

[01:30:57] can't put myself through this but that's

[01:30:59] and that's the like when he

[01:31:01] when he then goes on the road to watch

[01:31:03] Rod have all the success and has already

[01:31:05] he's like gets his self worth

[01:31:07] a lot he gets like you know

[01:31:09] he and Rod have this big embrace and like

[01:31:11] you know other people are like oh like why don't

[01:31:13] I have an agent like this and Troi Akin

[01:31:15] you know no longer are people yet Troi Akin

[01:31:17] Aikman

[01:31:19] I don't fucking know

[01:31:21] says that and

[01:31:23] but also it's like when he has

[01:31:25] this big moment of self worth and he's like wait I need

[01:31:27] Dorothy to be here like that thing where he picks up the phone

[01:31:29] and he says her name well let's not rush through this moment

[01:31:31] so they make but that's what he's figuring it out

[01:31:33] I know but Rod

[01:31:35] God

[01:31:37] Rod is like having a real good fucking

[01:31:39] game and it's the last game of the season

[01:31:41] before the contract is gonna lapse

[01:31:43] and he'd have to renew it right

[01:31:45] and he does this insane catch

[01:31:47] where he like

[01:31:49] jumps up yep catches the ball

[01:31:51] over the guy and then it looks like

[01:31:53] it kind of gets knocked on his head right on his

[01:31:55] neck right

[01:31:57] lying

[01:31:59] and they're watching with this whole family

[01:32:01] and they're watching that she immediately

[01:32:03] I mean this is her Oscar moment

[01:32:05] kind of you know oh she's incredible but she

[01:32:07] immediately loses it and they're going no no no honey

[01:32:09] honey wake up wake up wake up wake up is the

[01:32:11] nightmare of any athlete spouse like it sucks

[01:32:13] and a great Cameron Crow touch

[01:32:15] where you're watching them

[01:32:17] watch the game and then the game just cuts

[01:32:19] to good commercial that's credit cards

[01:32:21] playing football it's a good commercial but it also

[01:32:23] like puts you in fun

[01:32:25] it puts you in that moment what it would feel

[01:32:27] like to be the wife of someone watching

[01:32:29] potentially my husband might be dead

[01:32:31] sure maybe brain dead

[01:32:33] maybe paralyzed sure

[01:32:35] my the very least could just be injured

[01:32:37] and thus were broke you know a million different

[01:32:39] things and even I feel like I don't know

[01:32:41] if it's before the commercial breaker after but

[01:32:43] the not just says like I sure hope his family isn't watching

[01:32:45] this you know and it's like for everyone else

[01:32:47] this is just engaging television like not that

[01:32:49] they don't care about him but like first

[01:32:51] and foremost I'm knocking everything over today

[01:32:53] first and foremost

[01:32:55] this is like it's entertainment

[01:32:57] it's a story right but for her

[01:32:59] it's like this is life and death and she immediately

[01:33:01] gets Jerry on the phone

[01:33:03] and it's like Jerry I need I need

[01:33:05] you to tell me something yeah and he goes like

[01:33:07] he's not responsive

[01:33:09] he's out I just need you to stay calm

[01:33:11] she's like I can't stay calm you don't understand what's going on

[01:33:13] yeah I think this is part of the click for him is

[01:33:15] listening to her and how much he

[01:33:17] means to her because she's been

[01:33:19] so aggressive

[01:33:21] in all these other scenes you know

[01:33:23] she is a marketing major

[01:33:25] and she's yeah she's

[01:33:27] almost in charge of her husband

[01:33:29] she's talking about the family and it's practical

[01:33:31] and it's about the numbers that they need to hit

[01:33:33] in order to keep everyone afloat

[01:33:35] but now this is just the love and the terror

[01:33:37] of not having her husband

[01:33:39] come back in the same form

[01:33:41] and he runs onto the field

[01:33:43] there's a great movie star moment that he underplays

[01:33:45] where he's running on and people go hey

[01:33:47] and just without even looking

[01:33:49] he just over his shoulder flashes

[01:33:51] the VIP pass

[01:33:53] so they let him do it it's so secondary and he's

[01:33:55] there on the sidelines watching

[01:33:57] that's the thing I think this is supposed to crystallize

[01:33:59] what he's offering

[01:34:01] which is like he's on the phone right away

[01:34:03] he's there

[01:34:05] sports agents have hundreds of clients

[01:34:07] pretty unlikely they'd be on the scene

[01:34:09] and be able to call the family

[01:34:11] and be like this is what's happening

[01:34:13] it's okay it'll be alright

[01:34:15] just blah blah blah

[01:34:17] but he's always going to be there for Rod

[01:34:19] he's fine he's just big

[01:34:21] well but there's the moment when they're snapping

[01:34:23] and he kind of comes to

[01:34:25] and they go are you okay?

[01:34:27] wait wait wait

[01:34:29] let me have this moment

[01:34:31] and he just knows what's happening

[01:34:33] he's woken up and he knows he's just made his career

[01:34:35] he did an incredible move everyone thought he was dead

[01:34:37] and he now has to play the part

[01:34:39] and Cruz says there's the bathroom scene

[01:34:41] the fine fine

[01:34:43] help me

[01:34:45] help you

[01:34:47] up it on pride swallowing

[01:34:49] siege

[01:34:51] he's so good

[01:34:53] and Cruz says like I'm going to paraphrase it

[01:34:55] but he says you play with your head

[01:34:57] you need to play with your heart

[01:34:59] the big athletes

[01:35:01] the fans love the guy

[01:35:03] and you're not

[01:35:05] making yourself lovable

[01:35:07] and he knows this is the moment

[01:35:09] he's just done this heroic thing

[01:35:11] he falls down this is his moment

[01:35:13] to milk it and perform

[01:35:15] he does a big old Super Bowl shuffle

[01:35:17] he jumps around and into the crowd

[01:35:19] and just becomes a star

[01:35:21] this guy's a star

[01:35:23] and afterwards he's hounded by everyone

[01:35:25] he's got sunglasses on

[01:35:27] and he runs over to Jerry and hugs him

[01:35:29] and goes why don't we have that

[01:35:31] and he puts them on the shoulder

[01:35:33] puts them on the phone with his wife

[01:35:35] and you see the conversation these two people love each other

[01:35:37] and it's like here are three people who care about each other

[01:35:39] respect each other in a person to person level

[01:35:41] it's not business

[01:35:43] they are friends

[01:35:45] and that is the love

[01:35:47] of his life

[01:35:49] and Jerry has that but he's not

[01:35:51] in starthin

[01:35:53] he's not appreciating it

[01:35:55] I'm looking for my wife

[01:35:57] oh my god the most

[01:35:59] that's the sexiest thing anyone could say

[01:36:01] the way he says it in those circumstances

[01:36:03] I know I know

[01:36:05] that's the thing

[01:36:07] he runs home into the divorce women's group

[01:36:09] which I believe was based on something

[01:36:11] his mother actually did in his childhood

[01:36:13] I believe so

[01:36:15] and he comes in

[01:36:17] and he gives the big speech

[01:36:19] we live in a cynical world

[01:36:21] cynical cynical world

[01:36:23] and we work in a business of tough competitors

[01:36:25] I tweeted that last night three separate people thought I had gotten fired

[01:36:27] and like texted me

[01:36:29] it was really I felt bad

[01:36:31] I forgot that you complete me

[01:36:33] is set up earlier in the film

[01:36:35] of course in the elevator

[01:36:37] when they quit the job

[01:36:39] and the elevator sign you complete me

[01:36:41] he goes I wish I knew what they were saying

[01:36:43] if she goes my favorite on is that you complete me

[01:36:45] but it's like the one moment

[01:36:47] where he does know what else to say

[01:36:49] and he remembers that moment in the elevator

[01:36:51] the most romantic thing he saw anyone ever say

[01:36:53] can I ask you a question

[01:36:55] so he gives the whole speech

[01:36:57] and she goes shut up

[01:36:59] you had me a podcast

[01:37:01] that's what she says

[01:37:03] that was weird I was wondering about that too

[01:37:05] podcast had not even been invented

[01:37:07] another thing that Jerry McGuire

[01:37:09] was right at the start of

[01:37:11] was the podcast revolution when Renée Zewiger named them

[01:37:13] do you think if they made Jerry McGuire today

[01:37:15] it would be about a podcast agent

[01:37:17] instead of about a sports agent

[01:37:19] we have podcast agents both of us separate

[01:37:21] and we're asking if we're going to show us the money

[01:37:23] yeah yeah yeah yeah

[01:37:25] yeah

[01:37:29] oh my god

[01:37:31] no he gives a speech

[01:37:33] and she's just like shut up you had me a hello

[01:37:35] okay now here's my question

[01:37:37] here's my question for you

[01:37:39] and a tears

[01:37:41] here's my question for you

[01:37:43] does he ever say hello

[01:37:45] yeah he does

[01:37:47] the first thing he does when he comes in

[01:37:49] he says hello and not hi

[01:37:51] and then he says I'm looking for my wife

[01:37:53] I'm pretty sure he says hello

[01:37:55] it's a great line

[01:37:57] but it also is

[01:37:59] the positive version of what was happening with Kush

[01:38:01] like if you show

[01:38:03] it up

[01:38:05] we'd go with you

[01:38:07] the mere fact that he shows up in that state tells her everything she needs to know

[01:38:09] what he's saying is meaningless

[01:38:11] because

[01:38:13] his actions speak

[01:38:15] volume

[01:38:17] it's a great movie

[01:38:19] and then you know how the movie ends

[01:38:21] with a fucking Bob Dylan song

[01:38:23] because Cameron Curtis and fuck around he gets Bob Dylan songs

[01:38:25] no one else gets Bob Dylan songs

[01:38:27] and what his manager, his last line

[01:38:29] is really good

[01:38:31] in my I've failed as much as I've succeeded

[01:38:33] I can't remember the exact phrasing

[01:38:35] but like you know

[01:38:37] but I love my wife, I love my life

[01:38:39] and I wish you my kind of success

[01:38:41] I get choked up even hearing you deliver

[01:38:43] it's so good

[01:38:45] and you're forgetting the biggest part of the film

[01:38:47] when Jared Owen Ray throws a baseball

[01:38:49] I got hot armed that kid

[01:38:51] it's a slightly dorky job

[01:38:53] but his fake got a little army

[01:38:55] throwing the baseball

[01:38:57] like knocked up which is another movie

[01:38:59] I love the death

[01:39:01] I like movies that are about

[01:39:03] how romance can actually develop between people

[01:39:05] and not like a meet cute

[01:39:07] then they're together

[01:39:09] then nothing happens and they're apart

[01:39:11] and then they get back together

[01:39:13] but actually about the weird narratives

[01:39:15] and the compromises people make

[01:39:17] and the manipulation

[01:39:19] exactly I said it on our last episode

[01:39:21] I need less meet cute

[01:39:23] I need more B-suite

[01:39:25] the moment we meet is irrelevant

[01:39:27] the moment we met

[01:39:29] well I mean we met in a weird way

[01:39:31] because we talked on twitter

[01:39:33] and then we were like you wanna go see a movie together

[01:39:35] so we met I was late as I always am

[01:39:37] to everything to a screening of

[01:39:39] stories we tell this are a polydocumentary

[01:39:41] so we spent like an hour and a half

[01:39:43] sitting next to each other in the dark

[01:39:45] and that was how we met and then when the movie ended

[01:39:47] we were like you wanna go get drinks

[01:39:49] now which movie was it

[01:39:51] because we saw the book together

[01:39:53] but the stories we tell was the first one

[01:39:55] yeah that was funny

[01:39:57] that we did that

[01:39:59] the second time was after

[01:40:01] you'd gotten

[01:40:03] major fired no no the first time you'd gotten

[01:40:05] major fired no that's not true

[01:40:07] I believe the first time

[01:40:09] was we had shot

[01:40:11] it and I hadn't heard back about it yet

[01:40:13] is that possible? no the first time I saw you

[01:40:15] had already gotten major fired really?

[01:40:17] yeah and then the second time was when I wasn't rehired

[01:40:19] yes exactly

[01:40:21] no no that's why I had gotten in touch with you

[01:40:23] you were writing the timeline wrong

[01:40:25] the first time was the show was not picked up

[01:40:27] yeah that sounds right

[01:40:29] the second time was

[01:40:31] you had gotten major fired because the show had been

[01:40:33] picked up but you were not even there

[01:40:35] they had turned you into a fat ginger

[01:40:37] well I'm not saying anything

[01:40:39] but I did

[01:40:41] I texted you you said griff how are you doing

[01:40:43] and we don't have one to that point

[01:40:45] the news hit that it was like ooh fox to pick up

[01:40:47] Malini you know or whatever

[01:40:49] and we were like I texted you being like hey good news

[01:40:51] and you were like read the press release again buddy

[01:40:53] look at the wording

[01:40:55] and then you said like how are you doing

[01:40:57] and I said it's like the dark phoenix saga

[01:40:59] like I was in love

[01:41:01] and then my love died

[01:41:03] and now my love has come back but it's trying to kill me

[01:41:05] I don't trust it

[01:41:07] but then we saw the bling ring and went to movie trivia

[01:41:09] but I think you texted me after that and you were like we should be really good friends

[01:41:11] the fact that I

[01:41:13] acclaimed my heartbreak to the dark phoenix saga

[01:41:15] and this is the point

[01:41:17] the meeting is whatever

[01:41:19] but we didn't fall in love until later

[01:41:21] you know I mean trivia was the second time we hung out

[01:41:23] and then we started going to trivia more and more often

[01:41:25] and I don't know if there was a specific moment

[01:41:27] where it was like we're in love with each other

[01:41:29] but it grew

[01:41:31] and then the podcast is another level

[01:41:33] that the point is these relationships

[01:41:35] they have stages

[01:41:37] and I don't like movies where it's just like someone meets someone

[01:41:39] and then they're in love

[01:41:41] I think you know someone for a while

[01:41:43] and then there's a moment where you fall in love

[01:41:45] even if you have a crush on them at the beginning

[01:41:47] you know where the thing drops

[01:41:49] to a whole other level

[01:41:51] this movie yeah it's one of the few

[01:41:53] like realistic relationship movies

[01:41:55] because you see them go through so much bullshit before

[01:41:57] and you don't walk out of it going like

[01:41:59] and they'll be happily ever after

[01:42:01] and yet it's so heightened because the dialogue is so crazy

[01:42:03] and because the storyline

[01:42:05] of the sports agent and all that stuff is so crazy

[01:42:07] you know Tom Cruise says things like see this jacket

[01:42:09] you can have it I don't need it

[01:42:11] because I am cloaked in failure

[01:42:13] he'll just say stuff like that

[01:42:15] it's a great movie

[01:42:17] what about the free falling scene there's so many scenes

[01:42:19] we couldn't recap this whole movie because there's so many funny little scenes

[01:42:21] but yeah where he's looking for the right song to sing to

[01:42:23] can we go through the box office because I know one

[01:42:25] really interesting stat this movie has

[01:42:27] in terms of box office

[01:42:29] so this movie opened December 13th 1996

[01:42:31] it was one of the big hits of

[01:42:33] 96 I think it was like

[01:42:35] the eighth or ninth highest grossing film that year

[01:42:37] I believe and it was

[01:42:39] number one it made

[01:42:41] $17 million and it's opening weekend

[01:42:43] today would probably be high 20s 30

[01:42:45] something like that maybe like 28

[01:42:47] just give me a second and I'll tell you

[01:42:49] it would be $33 million

[01:42:51] jeez louise pretty good pretty good

[01:42:53] yeah and then it just kept on playing

[01:42:55] it was number one many weeks in a row

[01:42:57] and then dipped and then came back

[01:42:59] it was up and down it immediately dips

[01:43:01] to two two two for three weeks

[01:43:03] then back to one then back to two

[01:43:05] like I'm back to one you know like it's just

[01:43:07] in the box office basically

[01:43:09] through February it's

[01:43:11] it's in theaters and grossing big

[01:43:13] it closes with

[01:43:15] 150 domestic

[01:43:17] and let me see

[01:43:19] how much it made worldwide another yeah

[01:43:21] $273 million worldwide

[01:43:23] very good insane yeah

[01:43:25] a thing I know about this movie is

[01:43:27] one of those weeks one of those later weeks

[01:43:29] where it's number one is the lowest grossing

[01:43:31] number one movie in history

[01:43:35] oh right what you mean like one of

[01:43:37] like the doldrums of February when nothing else

[01:43:39] was coming out and jeremy goyer was probably when it made

[01:43:41] $5.5 million and was number one

[01:43:43] I believe that's the lowest grossing

[01:43:45] number one movie in history but at that point

[01:43:47] it was already fucking sweeping up okay let's go through

[01:43:49] December

[01:43:51] 1996 jeremy goyer

[01:43:53] is number one at the box office

[01:43:55] number two give me a hint

[01:43:57] um it's a movie you like

[01:43:59] a lot in 1996

[01:44:03] yes

[01:44:05] it's a sci-fi movie

[01:44:07] that I like a lot yes we've talked

[01:44:09] about it on this podcast starship troopers no

[01:44:11] fuck that's 97 it is

[01:44:13] I think it's pretty soon it's like early 97

[01:44:15] yeah 1996

[01:44:17] a comedy

[01:44:19] it's a sci-fi comedy

[01:44:21] you like a lot it opened to 9 million

[01:44:23] dollars this was its first weekend

[01:44:25] in its first weekend it ended

[01:44:27] with 37 million dollars domestic

[01:44:29] it was a bit of a bomb

[01:44:31] huh so men black

[01:44:33] doesn't come out to the following year true

[01:44:35] and in the past it was earlier

[01:44:37] right certainly made more than 37 mil

[01:44:39] yeah it's a sci-fi

[01:44:41] comedy that we've talked about a lot

[01:44:43] it's a bomb

[01:44:45] I feel like I probably own it

[01:44:47] you think I own it probably

[01:44:49] yeah is there merch

[01:44:51] yeah it's based on merch

[01:44:53] oh oh Mars attacks

[01:44:55] merch the movie

[01:44:57] it's like the merchiest movie of all time

[01:44:59] it's the only film based off of trading cards

[01:45:01] it's certainly one of the only films

[01:45:03] based off of trading cards

[01:45:05] uh oh yeah will you Gio

[01:45:07] I love it

[01:45:09] great movie yeah that was a real disappointing

[01:45:11] box out for people thought that was gonna be a big blockbuster

[01:45:13] yeah yeah no

[01:45:15] no not at all decidedly not

[01:45:17] you know they had a plan they were gonna make

[01:45:19] a sequel that was gonna be dinosaurs attack because

[01:45:21] there were like three parallel trading card series that

[01:45:23] were all attack series and Burton was gonna make the other

[01:45:25] attack movies that's probably good that

[01:45:27] he just made Mars attacks as much as it's a delightful

[01:45:29] little movie it's classic leave it as it is

[01:45:31] untouchable number three

[01:45:33] untouchable

[01:45:35] number three fuck you

[01:45:37] is that had been number one the previous week

[01:45:39] and I think the week before that huge hit

[01:45:41] Disney movie

[01:45:43] 136 mil was the total gross

[01:45:45] uh crazy costumes grand

[01:45:47] damn star

[01:45:49] based on an animated film

[01:45:51] oh 101 Dalmatians

[01:45:53] 101 Dalmatians

[01:45:55] 101 Dalmatians

[01:45:57] number four is a movie starring Denzel Washington

[01:45:59] that was rated G

[01:46:01] the preacher's wife

[01:46:03] now down directed by

[01:46:05] Penny Marshall that's right with Whitney Houston

[01:46:07] of course yeah number five is a film that I have

[01:46:09] seen a bunch of times

[01:46:11] for some reason an action

[01:46:13] film set in the Holland

[01:46:15] tunnel

[01:46:17] yeah it's true

[01:46:19] an action film set in the Holland tunnel

[01:46:21] the Holland is in it what is it

[01:46:23] yep still in to new is Oscar nominated for best

[01:46:25] sound effects editing

[01:46:27] I know that without looking it up Jesus

[01:46:29] Christ what movie it's called daylight

[01:46:31] oh fuck I was gonna say

[01:46:33] daybreak but I thought that wasn't a title

[01:46:35] pretty fun little movie yeah yeah

[01:46:37] remember he has to jump through these like wind tunnels

[01:46:39] to even get into the I've never seen it

[01:46:41] pretty yeah uh

[01:46:43] can I say something about the preacher's wife just a thing

[01:46:45] that's always stuck in my mind yeah first of all

[01:46:47] that's a remake of movie with the remake the original

[01:46:49] is a different title right isn't one like the

[01:46:51] priest's wife I'll look it up

[01:46:53] and then I believe I believe they're different

[01:46:55] titles yeah alright

[01:46:57] the with the bishops wife yes

[01:46:59] with Karen Grant fucked us up at trivial ones

[01:47:01] yeah I think that's right it made me

[01:47:03] really angry yeah that's right but it's true

[01:47:05] yeah the second thing I was gonna say was I

[01:47:07] remember reading an interview with the

[01:47:09] kid the lead kid from the preacher's

[01:47:11] wife in Disney Adventures magazine okay

[01:47:13] and they said like what do you got coming up next

[01:47:15] and the kid was like well I signed a three picture deal

[01:47:17] with Disney so probably the preacher's wife too

[01:47:19] and even as like a seven year old

[01:47:21] I was like there's nothing

[01:47:23] I mean life was fine did well but

[01:47:25] that's not they're not franchising that baby

[01:47:29] kid walking the Hollywood

[01:47:31] and then I'm the man that's the breaks

[01:47:33] here are some other movies in the top

[01:47:35] 10 of December in 1996

[01:47:37] why do I remember I don't know why you remember

[01:47:39] the interviews from Disney Adventures

[01:47:41] magazine enough enough

[01:47:43] here's also opening this week

[01:47:45] Citizen Ruth

[01:47:47] opened to

[01:47:49] $26,000

[01:47:51] yeah on six screens not a big colossal

[01:47:53] bomb yeah

[01:47:55] jingle all the way is in the top 10

[01:47:57] with Jake Lloyd see I saw

[01:47:59] most of these films in theaters I saw

[01:48:01] I saw Mars attacks in theaters

[01:48:03] I saw daylight in theaters I saw Mars attacks

[01:48:05] I did not see your require I saw 101

[01:48:07] Dalmatians in theater I saw

[01:48:09] I saw your environment in theaters yeah

[01:48:11] Star Trek first contact with number

[01:48:13] seven I also saw in theaters didn't see

[01:48:15] that yeah ransom I did not see that

[01:48:17] he just never Howard revenge

[01:48:19] movie with Mel Gibson got a rip in

[01:48:21] James Horner score yeah the main theme

[01:48:23] from ransom fucking

[01:48:25] rule I jam

[01:48:27] that Horner yeah

[01:48:29] Star Trek first contracts got a great score

[01:48:31] to but I think it's goldsmith is you know

[01:48:33] goldsmith and Horner both took their cracks

[01:48:35] at Star Trek yeah I think goldsmith

[01:48:37] sonnet for that I think so

[01:48:39] well they both did great jobs

[01:48:41] space jam still in there well I

[01:48:43] mean conslam welcome to the jam

[01:48:45] English patient still in there

[01:48:47] obviously goes on to win best picture over

[01:48:49] Jerry McGuire in a shocking travesty of a win

[01:48:51] did people think McGuire was

[01:48:53] gonna win no yeah no

[01:48:55] English patient had its own up just suck

[01:48:57] have I ever thought about my my

[01:48:59] the mirror has two faces and set it off

[01:49:01] it's

[01:49:03] yeah yeah

[01:49:05] yeah um

[01:49:07] what was I could say okay so I want to talk about the Oscars

[01:49:09] because this was a notable year

[01:49:11] in that four of the five best picture

[01:49:13] nominees were independent films for the first time ever

[01:49:15] and yeah the best picture

[01:49:17] nominees were can you do it shine

[01:49:19] yeah Fargo

[01:49:21] yep secrets and lies

[01:49:23] yep and the English patient

[01:49:25] yeah and the fifth is Jerry right

[01:49:27] Jerry M yeah so you had

[01:49:29] like four independent films

[01:49:31] two of which were mere max

[01:49:33] mmm the English patient

[01:49:35] is mere max I believe secret

[01:49:37] lines was my opinion

[01:49:39] um or I think shine was

[01:49:41] no shine was new line fine line anyway

[01:49:43] anyway anyway anyway

[01:49:45] uh this is this year where everyone went like oh the indies have taken over

[01:49:49] sure right and for the first time the Oscars

[01:49:51] became like an indie game because before that

[01:49:53] there were independent spirit awards

[01:49:55] and that was their little tent you get to use a lot of movies

[01:49:57] but the Oscars you had to be a big boy

[01:49:59] you had to come play it was not mere max just to be

[01:50:02] okay but English patient was you had to throw down like fucking

[01:50:05] $60 million budget on the table if you're going to compete in the Oscar

[01:50:07] I barely made any money like shine and made much money Fargo honestly

[01:50:11] didn't make that much money no like yeah

[01:50:13] and and Jerry McGuire was like the one film it's like oh one Hollywood film fighting the rest of this

[01:50:17] and you look at Jerry McGuire today

[01:50:19] and Jerry McGuire is the movie that would have the hardest time getting made in the current studio system

[01:50:23] 100%

[01:50:25] you could get major studio financing for Fargo, shine

[01:50:29] or the English patient so much faster

[01:50:31] and secret lies

[01:50:33] right and secret lies is so cheap that you go like maybe they would have given it like you know a million dollars

[01:50:37] but Jerry McGuire studio would never make today

[01:50:39] it's amazing that that was viewed as like the David versus Goliath and Jerry McGuire was the Goliath

[01:50:43] kind of and now like Jerry McGuire would be the David because like if you're making a film like this

[01:50:48] you're making it an independent level

[01:50:50] you're not getting the same sort of support the same sort of freedom

[01:50:53] you don't James L. Brooks over your shoulder

[01:50:55] you don't get the biggest movie star in the world

[01:50:57] and the audiences aren't aren't heading out to that

[01:50:59] so you know with some of the big movie 96 is the big the you know the dawn of the new blockbuster

[01:51:04] because you got Independence Day you got Twister you've got Mission Impossible

[01:51:07] you've got the rock like you've got a lot of big big action movies

[01:51:11] so Mission Impossible and Jerry McGuire were the same year?

[01:51:13] yeah 96

[01:51:15] he had a real year nutty professor is that year

[01:51:18] oh man talk about big

[01:51:20] he's fat

[01:51:21] you like that movie Ben?

[01:51:23] uh the nutty professor

[01:51:25] yeah with Eddie Murphy

[01:51:26] the nutty professor

[01:51:27] oh yeah the craziest thing is that

[01:51:29] yeah I like that I like that movie

[01:51:31] Eddie Murphy won two major critics awards for that performance

[01:51:34] yeah yeah like over like your Tom Cruise's or your Jeffrey Rush

[01:51:38] I mean he should have been nominated no question

[01:51:40] it's a tough year buddy

[01:51:42] okay the five were Fiennes

[01:51:44] who should not have won

[01:51:46] but he's nominated

[01:51:47] Rush who did win

[01:51:48] who should not have won

[01:51:49] Cruz

[01:51:50] who should have won

[01:51:52] and then the other two would have been

[01:51:55] give me a hint

[01:51:56] I'm not gonna give you a hint because we're going wrong

[01:51:58] but Woody Harrelson and People vs. Larry Flint which is a fantastic performance

[01:52:02] beautiful performance

[01:52:03] and also a long over you know Harrelson's putting in his dues

[01:52:06] yeah

[01:52:07] and then Billy Bob Thornton for Sling Blade

[01:52:09] which is another indie success of the year

[01:52:11] and I just wrote a piece about

[01:52:14] Ben Affleck's Armageddon commentary on the criterion edition

[01:52:18] and every time

[01:52:20] because obviously he recorded it in 98

[01:52:22] every time Billy Bob Thornton is on screen

[01:52:24] Ben Affleck goes into like an extended Sling Blade impression

[01:52:28] where he's like oh yeah see the Narsis boys

[01:52:31] say there's an air

[01:52:33] and what if the whole movie was just like he got out of the funny home

[01:52:37] and he just like got in charge of NASA

[01:52:39] the whole thing's a hoax there's no asteroid

[01:52:41] like Ben Affleck's commentary is really seek it out

[01:52:44] it's incredible

[01:52:45] I mean yeah I'll watch it

[01:52:47] it's really weird that Jeffrey Rush won that year actually

[01:52:50] like looking back on it

[01:52:51] I mean A because he's not the lead of that movie

[01:52:53] No he's not even in it as nearly as much as some of these other nominees

[01:52:57] and Noah Taylor I think has more screen time than he does

[01:53:00] I would almost argue

[01:53:01] yeah but it was there was some weird magic to it

[01:53:03] it is weird that he won

[01:53:04] because it was like

[01:53:05] he's like swept

[01:53:06] it was there was no question he was gonna win

[01:53:08] like it was inevitable

[01:53:09] but he has yeah I mean it's an interesting performance

[01:53:12] it's a good performance

[01:53:13] it's just it's an odd win for a movie that didn't get that much attention

[01:53:17] otherwise

[01:53:18] but it got a bunch of Oscar nominations

[01:53:19] Armand Muller Stahl

[01:53:20] yeah the great

[01:53:22] uh yeah so you know that's the year Fargo wins for actress

[01:53:25] and screenplay Cuba wins for supporting actor

[01:53:27] gives a famous Oscar speech where he thanks everybody

[01:53:29] and he won't leave the stage

[01:53:31] and he's jumping around it's very cute

[01:53:32] and it's very similar to Rod Tickwell

[01:53:34] very similar to Rod Tickwell

[01:53:35] on the talk show when he breaks down crying

[01:53:37] and they go okay we don't have time to thank everybody

[01:53:39] you are my ambassador Kwan

[01:53:40] that's why I mean overnight everyone was like

[01:53:42] oh I guess Cuba is a movie star

[01:53:43] because it was like

[01:53:44] gave this star performance

[01:53:45] and then at the Oscars

[01:53:46] he like keeps the brand going

[01:53:48] like he does the thing we all loved him doing in the movie

[01:53:50] and everyone was like more of this please

[01:53:52] and they proceeded to burn all his bridge

[01:53:54] he yeah he made some mistakes

[01:53:56] he's still good actor

[01:53:57] there's good in people versus

[01:53:59] yeah he was very good in that

[01:54:00] but this that's the urban OSH wins for over Lauren Bacall

[01:54:03] to everyone's shock and supporting actress

[01:54:05] right Gina King should have been both of them

[01:54:07] and I think I've referenced this before

[01:54:08] it's a tough year though

[01:54:09] you got Joan Allen and the crucible

[01:54:10] you got Marianne John Baptiste

[01:54:12] and secrets and lies

[01:54:13] so wait it's it's an Adorman wins lead actress

[01:54:16] yeah okay

[01:54:18] I think I've referenced this before in the past

[01:54:20] but this was the first year my parents

[01:54:22] brought me to like an Oscar party

[01:54:24] yeah I know you've said this

[01:54:25] and I was like oh everyone likes English patient

[01:54:26] and I just picked English patient

[01:54:27] every category

[01:54:28] and I almost won the whole thing

[01:54:29] I was the only one who had been noticed

[01:54:30] because everyone else picked the call

[01:54:31] right good job buddy

[01:54:33] thank you

[01:54:35] um so we're basically done

[01:54:38] yeah with talking about