Joe Dirt

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Check I don't. You're gonna stand there owning a fireworks stand and tell me you don't have no whistling bungles, no spleen splinters, whisker biscuit honky-liders, who's gurdus, who's gurdones, cherry bombs,

[00:00:51] nipsey daisers with or without the scooter stick or one single whistling kitty chaser? No because snakes and sparklers are the only ones I like. Well, that might be your problem. It's not what you like. It's the podcast.

[00:01:14] Okay Ben, right off the bat I have to ask. You took a real pregnant pause before that last line. Were you trying to decide where to place the word podcast in? Yes. Yeah. And I went for the easiest one but it was dramatic too.

[00:01:34] And look, you bit off a lot of script there. Well it felt like a good moment to highlight out of this great movie, Joe Dirt. And I actually, I think I would just like right here at the top.

[00:01:47] Hi, I'm Ben, Hosley, hi everyone. What is this? You're listening to Blank Check with Griffin, say hi Griffin. Hi Griffin. And with David I say, hi David. Hi David. I just want to take a moment for everyone, our listeners, to just thank me for really

[00:02:15] the opportunity to watch this movie. So I'll just pause and everyone out loud they can just say thank you Ben. Oh you're asking the listeners to thank you for letting them watch this movie? Correct. Yeah. Okay let's take that pause. All right great.

[00:02:31] All right. I think we should keep pausing because I think there's probably some applause happening right now. Oh you're right, you're right actually okay let's hold for a pause now. Okay great. Okay. Ben also come on, I know you don't usually host the show but be

[00:02:46] a little more gracious. You're not going to take a pause for you to say you're welcome? Oh you're right, okay. You're welcome. Cool. Great. That was good. Okay that was good.

[00:02:57] That was good. Okay so I am, I'm doing a Ben's choice. It's been since Stargate so it's been since I always try to remember what the last Ben's choice was and it's always some fucking

[00:03:13] bananas thing. Yeah like I can't wait for Lincoln Center to do a Ben's Choice retrospective and those 10 movies put together are going to say a lot. Wait okay so Fletch, I'm going through under siege 2 colon dark territory. Of course. The man who knew too little who can forget?

[00:03:35] Impossible. Clifford, of course. Yeah. Wreck it Ralph and Ralph breaks the internet. Counting them as book 2. Yeah. Okay. Assassin's Creed, of course. Yeah. A great movie about a video game that I have since played and like the movies or the movie better. Yeah there's also an interesting

[00:04:00] theme here because under siege 2 a sequel you love to a first movie you've never seen. And you know what I want to say? I want to say this. I recently watched under siege 1.

[00:04:12] Maybe we should do it on the show. Maybe. It's not bad. Tommy Lee Jones is really good. A Ben blind spotting? I just think it's interesting. We sometimes have called ourselves connoisseurs of context David. Yeah. Ben doesn't need no stinking context. He just likes whatever

[00:04:27] movie he likes. Sometimes the less context the better. Yeah. It was like it's like halfway into the under siege 2 episode where like Ben have you seen under siege or you're like what?

[00:04:36] No, what is that? Like it's not even on your radar. David we didn't ask him. We were like is that what happens in under siege 1? And Ben said like I don't know. Who cares? We assumed.

[00:04:49] Yeah well it's whatever was on TBS or TNT or Comedy Central and it was the middle of the day and I'd watch it with the commercial breaks like and then it became my favorite thing and I'd

[00:05:01] rent it and that's just you know. Just to confirm the other Ben's choices of course were Stargate and now Joe Dirt. So Griff that's nine. That's nine. We're almost there. We're almost there to the 10. Wow. What a rogues gallery. Yeah. But Ben what is this podcast

[00:05:18] usually? Usually this is a podcast about filmographies directors who had massive success were issued a series of blank checks early on to fund whatever kind of passion projects they want

[00:05:37] and sometimes they wait. Hold on. Hold on. Oh fuck how could I... Sometimes you made it all the way to the cat phrase. Yes. Is it clear? Yes. Yeah. And sometimes they bounce baby. All right. All right.

[00:05:56] But as David just outlined about once a year, sometimes if we're lucky twice a year we let Ben make the choice and pick a movie completely devoid of context and often we have found that

[00:06:09] these movies tend to be more blank checks for the stars at the center of the movie than a director which is what we usually cover. I would say Stargate is the exception of that except that's

[00:06:22] sort of the guarantor for the rest of Roland Emmerich's career but this definitely fits into an interesting place in the David Spade filmography. It does. This is his blank check right?

[00:06:34] This is his passion project. I would argue this is his passion project and I also just want to set one thing up on the table right here. I know I'm not hosting this episode, Ben is, but I just

[00:06:43] want to I want to pin something on the board much like you never having played the Assassin's Creed video game before watching that movie 20 times while your girlfriend was sleeping. Mm-hmm much like you having watched Underseach two 20 times on your porch without ever bothering

[00:06:59] to rent the first one. Correct. Not only have you never seen Joe Dirt to American loser Colin a Crackle original but you are not even aware it existed until an hour ago. Yeah I had no idea.

[00:07:14] I mean when you said Crackle original I thought that was like the joke that we all make. It is usually the joke. Yeah I didn't realize that Crackle actually had original programming. Is this

[00:07:23] the only one? It might be the only one. No look Ben I'm just I'm pinning it to the board we'll come back to it later because I am the only one of the three of us who has watched Joe Dirt to American

[00:07:35] loser a Crackle original. Here's we'll get we'll get back to it as you say yeah but why isn't it just called like I don't know Joe dirtier something like that. David there are many things

[00:07:48] it should have been called instead and there are many things that should have been done with that money instead of making that movie. Here's one fun fact I'll throw out Joe Dirt to American

[00:08:01] loser a Crackle original no longer available to watch on Crackle. I had sure decided that I was going to do this and then two hours before this record I went over to Crackle to throw it on

[00:08:15] and found that Crackle which used to be a Sony owned streaming service mostly with Sony library titles of which Joe Dirt is one and I think is one of their more perhaps one of the most

[00:08:29] watch titles on Crackle because it's a real Sony cable DVD rental I don't know heavyweight. A couple years ago Sony decided to get out of the streaming service business at the time that

[00:08:46] everyone else was going all in and sold the majority of Crackle too. Do you know this David? Chicken soup for the soul. Chicken soup for the soul now owns Crackle those books. Yup and mostly uses it for inspirational nonfiction series but there is some Sony catalog

[00:09:06] shit on there as well but Joe Dirt too has been taken down. I had to pay seven dollars to purchase Joe Dirt to American loser a Crackle original. I could not rent it. It was not an

[00:09:21] option to rent anywhere. I had to search around to find a service that had it for sale for seven dollars as opposed to 12 on iTunes in a way I am I feel more sullied. You feel dirty.

[00:09:35] I feel dirty. I was avoiding that work to be honest. We should say it. You're right and we should say it. I would rather have bought a physical copy of Joe Dirt too on Blu-ray because

[00:09:46] then upon finishing the movie I could have just put it out on the street. Burned it. Removed it from my home. This is part of my digital library forever. Honestly it probably got logged with the FBI too. Yeah that probably got you on a

[00:10:02] watch list or whatever and that's cool. Absolutely. And you know Joe Dirt too American loser and we will get to Joe Dirt too at least briefly. Yeah and by the way Crackle's name still all over this movie despite the fact that you cannot watch it on Crackle.

[00:10:18] But well Ben when did you first see Joe Dirt? We got to lead off with this right. But when did did you see it in the theater or was Joe Dirt a Porsche classic?

[00:10:34] Sorry Griffith go. No I don't want to kill your momentum there because you're coming in hot. I just want to pair with that the question of what was your relationship to David Spade.

[00:10:45] Mr. Spade himself yes. Okay all right so no I didn't no I didn't see this in a theater. I saw this on a hot porch maybe hot it was summer the porch was hot. It was hot and Joe Dirt was

[00:11:00] on Comedy Central okay and me and my friend watched it and were like this movie Rules. This is one of those movies that it was like a federal law that it play on Comedy Central

[00:11:12] like within 60 days of its release basically. Comedy Central had like a bunch of pre-cogs right and then one of those wooden balls rolled out and they said contact Columbia Pictures by cable

[00:11:25] rights to Joe Dirt and they called them and they were like Joe Dirt we never heard of that movie it was 1993 they were like just write it down. The second it crosses your your freaking

[00:11:37] desk yeah okay Joe Dirt so anytime this movie was on cable this was like the movie where it's like if you come across it surfing channels you watch it that that's what Joe Dirt was for me. Sure yeah

[00:11:53] if I saw it on I had to watch it and my relationship to David Spade is I've really liked him on SNL he was uh he was always you know making fun of the celebs he was always doing the talking

[00:12:10] head Hollywood minute there you go this is and now here's a question Spade report yeah is that the only time that they've had a correspondent on Weekend Update with their their own recurring segment that's sort of separate from Weekend Update. There's I mean

[00:12:26] that can't be true right just because there's been so much SNL like surely someone else did something like that at some point right but Ben is kind of onto something here that the branding

[00:12:35] of that was so strong and another thing that I feel like is forgotten is there was the Saturday night dead season right where like SNL is at its lowest NBC thinks are canceling the show

[00:12:48] and Lauren is like give me another year I'm gonna overhaul the whole cast right and that's the year that he fires Farley he fires uh Sandler he fires uh uh rock

[00:13:01] or Rock Leaves for In a Living Color um the only people he keeps are Molly Shannon who had been on for like half a season uh Tim Meadows who had just sort of joined a legend and the the third

[00:13:17] cast member he kept I believe was Spade oh McKinney might have joined that season as well but in that season that is Sherry O'Terry, Will Ferrell, Chris Cotan all those people coming in for

[00:13:29] the first time in the show establishing a new identity Spade was kept on and Spade was not really in sketches he just did like the Spade report but they actually made it its own segment

[00:13:43] it wasn't even part of the Weekend Update desk anymore like they paid Spade to like we need some continuity you're so beloved amongst our fans we're cutting Sandler and Farley who are

[00:13:53] proven movie stars at this point and and your best buds like your your your fellow guys and Spade essentially had the like TV Fun House role where it was like you have carte blanche you have eight

[00:14:06] minutes a week you do whatever you want you have your own writers it's you oversee it you don't have to interfere with the rest of the show at all yeah this is true

[00:14:16] and then that was his last season that was his last season yes yeah Spade yeah so Spade he was on SNL of course we all know that I liked his uh buh-bye and K of course that was a classic that was a good

[00:14:30] the flight attendant right and I love that that's you can keep bringing that sketch back do you know what I mean that's what's great about it is it's like the early 90s man you're not

[00:14:41] squeezing it dry you know what I mean like there's just so much it's a juice so much juice in that thing uh wherever he would he would go uh end you are right he was the receptionist who said and you

[00:14:52] are that's my favorite one I think that that's a great sketch where God comes in at the end and I would know you from what is he like Dick Clark's reception it's something like that right

[00:15:03] it's some yes or maybe it's Jesus at the end Phil Hartman playing Jesus um Gap Girls was obviously a big one for him Gap Girls uh sure um yeah but he was a big stand up I feel like when you

[00:15:17] watch videos of all the happy Madison guys uh busting each other's balls which I uh that has been a big comfort spot for me in YouTube in the last 15 months um they all talk about the

[00:15:30] fact that Sandler was the most I'm sorry Spade was the most successful out of all of them as a stand up Spade was the only one who got to do Carson that was like a big point of jealousy between

[00:15:40] like Sandler and Schneider and Farley and all of them Spade was kind of the one who had the most heat just as a stand up and then he stays on SNL the longest he becomes this kind of elder

[00:15:52] statesmen but uh Spade and Farley do Tommy boy Tommy boy's a hit and then it becomes one of the 10 biggest uh home video movies in the history of Paramount this is the one I had I mean

[00:16:05] Ben I assume Tommy boy is just a huge one for you am I wrong yeah yeah I mean you're not wrong that was a beloved movie yes Tommy boy Griff I don't know what your opinion is love Tommy boy

[00:16:18] is pretty good I think Tommy boy rules yeah I think it's Tommy boy the Farley's peak in the in the meters right my money absolutely I think that movie is really really fucking good

[00:16:28] because Black Sheep is one of those movies I've seen like once and is bad it's kind of a bummer Black Sheep is like we need one of these every year and I believe Black Sheep is one of those

[00:16:38] cases where they were like you have one week to deliver a script we start filming like they didn't have a premise yet it was sort of like Lauren Michaels hired Fred Wolf who co-writes

[00:16:47] this movie Joe Dirt and directs Joe Dirt to American loser Crackle original and was like you have one week to come up with something for Farley and Spade to do Penelope Spheres is

[00:16:58] going to direct it she had gotten pushed off of Wayne's World too Lauren wanted her shepherding something else and they were like we film in eight weeks there was like nothing the guys hated

[00:17:10] it Spade didn't want to do it it's a political thing they're right they're running for governor the Black Sheep brother of Tim Matheson as a governorial candidate and Spade is brought in to

[00:17:24] manage him to make sure he doesn't start a controversy before the campaign is over but Tommy boy for what Tommy boy's got like it's got like denahe yeah it's got that kind of like blue collar stuff

[00:17:34] yes that I like and then it just you know what you do it's funny yeah acroid is fucking great as the villain in that movie it's good that's the start of Rob Lowe playing comedy asshole

[00:17:48] kind of like well his persona right or I guess that and Wayne's World are like back to back there's same years right but yeah they're close yes but yes that movie is big then Black Sheep

[00:18:00] is a flop and both guys kind of disown it and then it sort of feels like that killed the buzz of the Farley Spade comedy duo thing and then of course Chris Farley dies sure in 97 so so this

[00:18:13] so that really killed it my point is the movie right after that Farley goes and does like two movies by himself he does which but like don't you think if Farley had lived you know a few years later

[00:18:26] they would have done a little comeback one right you know like because the especially as you say Tommy boy just endured like that thing just lived and lived so it's up there with dumb and

[00:18:37] dumber right you know like it's it's it's like really got a legacy of that of that era as a comedy I might like it better than dumb and I like it more than a movie yeah I mean I you know I've seen

[00:18:50] dumb and dumber like twice I gotta be honest I also think there is a genuine sorry sorry Ben I'm so sorry it was never my movie I like it I just was never my movie it's okay it's fine

[00:19:03] I prefer Tommy boy as well I think Tommy boy has like a real genuine earned sweetness to it like an actual sentiment that comes from that movie taps into the innate sweetness of Farley

[00:19:17] which he hadn't really gotten to use that much on SNL it felt like it was setting a model for how he could be a movie star I think every Farley starring vehicle after that removes that element

[00:19:27] that's the thing it's like Farley was so obsessed with being Belushi and everyone talks about that right like that was his idol but like Farley is like more John Candy like that that's his you

[00:19:38] know he's that he's the sweet guy that you kind of feel for even though yeah I mean that's what's smart about Tommy boy is it taps into the Chris Farley show energy I don't think I've

[00:19:48] ever seen Ben have you seen Beverly Hills ninja yes what kind of question is that why would you waste the breath asking that yes I think I have seen almost heroes although I can't say remember it

[00:20:03] that's the one really after his death right with Perry that I feel like I saw any movie with like a friends cast member when I was directed by Christopher guess that movie is like a disaster

[00:20:13] um yeah I can't I think I've seen it but I cannot remember a single thing about it but this is all I'm trying to set up here Farley goes off makes two things after that

[00:20:22] obviously dies shortly thereafter but the two movies he does without spade also don't recapture the magic of Tommy boy right and none of them do as well as Tommy boy then spades in trouble right so

[00:20:34] Farley dies spades in trouble because it's like well he had this thing that works so well in Tommy boy that's his perfect use as a movie star that movie also taps into the sort of

[00:20:46] vulnerability behind the snarkiness of spade right I think Tommy boy is the one that gets that right where it's like it's defensive he's he's a stick in the mud yeah and he needs to he needs to loosen

[00:20:57] up it's true that's the perfect use of him he's an insecure guy you know it taps into the emotionality at the core of it but like yeah I'm looking at spades post so so senseless before

[00:21:12] that the Marlon Wayans movie also directed by Sphere's yeah lost and found which is like a huge bomb right like that's yeah that's like a movie that actually costs money and grossed

[00:21:24] like five cents right Sophie Marceau is that lost and found yes yes oh boy he kidnaps a dog to get closer to the woman and pretends that someone else has kidnapped it or something yeah and then

[00:21:37] of course Emperor's new groove a long justing which I think spade is fantastic in that yeah I also think that is tapped into the exact same use of spade it does now we should acknowledge this whole time

[00:21:53] he is on just shoot me that's his yes that's his uh you know his safety net it's right you're right I mean just shoot me griff did you watch just shoot me Ben did you watch just shoot me did

[00:22:03] everyone watch just shoot me I mean it was in that hammock position where it was so often in between like two sitcoms I did watch that I like would sometimes go like I'll just stay here and watch that

[00:22:14] I've probably seen a good handful of episodes it was on Thursdays it was on Thursdays for me it was mostly a Tuesday show it was with Frazier uh it's just what like it had such a stack cast

[00:22:27] yeah it wasn't bad like it was absolutely watchable I remember yeah it was never it ran for seven years like it's just back in the day and it's like what's the what's it about oh I don't know it's set at a

[00:22:41] fucking fashion magazine who cares who does David spade play I don't know he plays the creep who's there why are you asking me questions like that was sort of supposed to be a like George uh uh Seagull

[00:22:54] project right I say Laura Sanji Akomo right she's like a rising person after sexilizing videotape and then they like bring in spade to be the the fucking like uh dynamite or whatever and he kind

[00:23:09] of takes over the show right I mean it's um he just always he always has a plot in that show like half of that show is like because Laura seeing Sanji Akomo is like the daughter of George Seagull

[00:23:22] and she's like dad you know I want to you know do this for myself and he's like oh okay I smoke cigars and then there's like a bee plot where David spade is like you know hiding in the bathroom like

[00:23:32] you know watching ladies pee or what I don't like you know like there's just like yeah finch right and everyone's like finch these are like the zones of like he's always like an annoying little

[00:23:43] torp right and the question is is he a creep or is he like the smug high status kind of like corpy guy right it's a weird spot yeah and none of this none of what we've just said

[00:23:58] none of any of the things we've talked about the sitcom s and l all his movies suggest Joe Dirt Joe Dirt you don't see Joe Dirt really in any of this right little guy I guess that's it like the

[00:24:11] only thing he's playing sort of an underdog some maybe that's it but he's usually a kind of high status incredibly confident guy right like who needs to be taken down a few pegs right um the

[00:24:26] x-factor we're not talking about in all of this obviously is sandler right that sandler already has movies before he gets kicked off of s and l and then after s and l his career goes into turbo

[00:24:39] 98 is wedding singer and water boy now he's a 20 million dollar man he's one of the biggest stars in hollywood what a year and he immediately extends that umbrella right and starts the reputation of

[00:24:53] here sandler happy madison he keeps all of his friends employed it's true and it's not just that he's getting all his s and l writer cronies to come in and write these movies and get big paydays

[00:25:04] but also he's putting all these people in supporting parts and very quickly it becomes the sandler farm team where he's able to give these people leading man careers and schneider gets to do

[00:25:16] movies and spade gets to do movies and like you know uh fucking on neflix spades done what two three vehicles three over is a spade do over is a spade sandler two-hander but he's

[00:25:31] essentially the lead of that like he's the protagonist and then uh was it father of year uh-huh right with napfax and then uh the romis he like he yes yeah he's just been fucking you know

[00:25:45] that's the crazy thing about the sandler netflix thing it's not just sandler movies you get kevin james movies you get you know you get like he he extended the umbrella as you put it

[00:25:54] you know and then also what was cool recently is comedy central right they they had one time the very popular daily show and then the colbert rapport and both of those hosts left they found

[00:26:08] a replacement for the daily show never figured out what to do with that time slot now 1130 yeah yeah but now it's like okay so should we give it to another white guy and they did and that was cool

[00:26:23] the show biz show you're talking about the show biz show yeah for like a late night show like that was the right choice to make i just want to remind you twice in the last decade comedy central

[00:26:34] game the bite at the apple there was the show biz show which was him doing hollywood minute for an entire 30 minutes oh okay i didn't even know about this and then the more recent one was lights out

[00:26:43] oh yeah where he's like sexy and suave or some right but it's all right easy him doing his comedy dick cavitt like i it's just loose unstructured conversation with old buddies of mine

[00:26:57] um that actually that ran for like a hundred episodes he did a lot of those he did a lot of those you know and like he went on cone and he was like yeah i mean we're talking to jim jeffrey

[00:27:07] isn't it's great he has done so much fucking tv if you look at the fact that he did seven seasons of just shoot me he did a hundred episodes of rules of engagement on cbs

[00:27:19] never forget rules of engagement jesus christ i forgot about that another show where he's like i don't need to be the guy war burdens the lead i'll be the torp i'll be the horny best friend

[00:27:30] he's the horny best friend then he was the guy they added two eight simple rules for dating my teenage daughter after john ridder died yep and he did like two seasons of that and then two different

[00:27:42] comedy central talk shows he's he's unkillable and i'm not saying that he needs to be killed i sort of appreciate david spade just kind of floating around forever that's fine as do i but

[00:27:54] uh it it is funny that he's just he's like yeah i don't know you know he's just he's just still there in his mid fifties kind of looks the same little a little worse for wear david you say

[00:28:05] that but you say that he looks the same but you also have not watched joe dirt too beautiful loser a crackler original i might dispute that watching them back to back yeah okay okay there is a difference yeah i mean i'm trying to think like what's a recent

[00:28:25] i mean he's like in some of the i've seen some of the sandler movies so i've seen you know i never watched uh lights out with david spade he's in the grown-ups obviously he is uh

[00:28:35] griffin the invisible man the hotel transylvania franchise that's a good performer a character that has recently been the center of much controversy do you know about this yes that there's some there's here let me see if i can explain it quickly

[00:28:48] see if you could get the image have you watched the ht4 trailer yet ben no okay this is a real controversy like people are genuinely angry about this i just want to make that clear

[00:29:01] before david explains this there's some subset of hotel transylvania fans they mostly seem to be girls who grew up with these movies like as a child or teenager like younger females

[00:29:14] who for whatever reason assumed that the invisible man in these movies was a a stone cold hotty right and uh that uh here i'm gonna put this tweet in the chat this is a character who you never see

[00:29:30] in the movies he's represented by a floating pair of horn-rimmed glasses he's voiced by david spade we all know what david spade looks like and people went bananas because the twist in hotel transylvania 4 is all the monsters turn into real people and so he becomes visible

[00:29:47] well they all like swap powers or whatever right yeah whatever they turn into humans they lose their powers okay they just turn into you okay and so right so you see the invisible man for a

[00:29:55] second and he looks like a dumpy kind of middle-aged guy with glasses he's dorky you know which is what i would have assumed absolutely but apparently this is shocking information right i will

[00:30:06] say i do like that this person who tweeted it uh eventually replied with please stop liking and retweeting this i don't want this to be my legacy but but like yeah right you're tweeting

[00:30:19] you shared with ben the tweet ben and you've seen the image now of what he looks like i have yeah he looks like larry fine from the three stooges yeah exactly yep but with like more of a like

[00:30:31] sausage schnaz and the dad bod yeah here's a collection of many tweets about of people losing their minds i was gonna ask you to read this yeah i gotta read all of them oh i want to read some

[00:30:44] of them i just think these are in all caps if i could just quickly read some of these he was supposed to be hot no from someone with a febe bridger's avatar true exactly like i'm feeling

[00:30:56] so sick that's what i was thirsting over three crying emojis i take it back the invisible man from hotel transylvania isn't hot who said that he was and my favorite one uh avatar of killian

[00:31:12] murphy from peeky blinders and the tweet is just fuck you hotel transylvania for why have you done this it's so weird yeah anyway david spade is in this position now there's a change that order

[00:31:29] petition to make him hot and it's got a 20 30 2000 signatures in the early 2000s sandler is clearly throwing the ball to his buddies and going yeah i can get anything you want made

[00:31:42] what's your thing and schneider goes like i don't know i'm a jiggalo i don't know i turn into a thing hello right i'm an animal i'm like a hot chick and david spade comes to the table with this that is

[00:31:54] what's most interesting about this movie is it is so outside as you said everything david spade had established to be his persona up until this point in time and it's a weirdly kind of earnest

[00:32:06] film it is and also i'm pretty sure he's not from the south he is from arizona he's from arizona he is kind of right i think he is kind of like a proud sort of dirt bag right like he grew up

[00:32:21] pretty poor he grew up like in poverty with a single mother his brother obviously goes on to become his brother andi spade uh was married to the late kate spade and built that brand with her

[00:32:36] and now runs a bunch of different like high thread count men's lifestyle brands oh shit that's i did not know that okay but so right they both grew up very very poor with a single mother

[00:32:49] and then david spade becomes this like you know snarky defensive comedian and andi spade becomes like the i'm like finely burnished leather goods man um and yeah this is this is a movie that fred

[00:33:04] wolf uh first wrote with matt piedmont so those are two snl guys and then spade comes aboard and rewrites it with wolf those the two credited writers it was going to be called the adventures of joe

[00:33:15] dirt and yeah it's sandler it it was initially at water brothers yeah and sandler who is of course the king of columbia has them pick it up and you know 15 million dollars they hire denny

[00:33:29] gordon who is a tv director mostly but like a very high class tv director like one of the most in demand tv directors who works on everything she she'd worked on uh pick offense to chicago

[00:33:42] hope party of five dawson's creek you know just a lot of like alex mcbill was a big show for her sports night sure uh but what i was gonna say also is after this movie she does two more films she

[00:33:52] does what a girl wants with amanda bines and she does new york minute with the olson twins and then she just becomes like a real blue chip tv director now she works on fucking everything

[00:34:02] 30 rock yeah you know i'm just looking down the but like dramas she did episodes of lesion and jack ryan and bloodline recently like she does working all what a girl wants

[00:34:14] it's not not the worst movie of all time i've never seen it i know people who think it's first kind of throwing fastballs in that one yeah com furth is kind of like yeah no one told me this

[00:34:27] was a bullshit teen comedy i am going to give my all uh that's all that's all i'll say rules uh jj birch our our buddy who is now doing um research for us on the podcast uh actually went ahead

[00:34:42] and did research on joe dirt which i didn't even consider was a thing he was going to feel obligated to do i was like you know what jj i'm gonna sound the alarm you don't have to but

[00:34:52] joe dirt you know like i got an assignment for you if you want it and this is where we should pause for jday jj to thank me for the opportunity to do research we should jj you better fucking

[00:35:03] do it okay in all in all uh let's give the pause sorry all right in all seriousness jj must feel like he got away with a fucking crime being paid to research joe dirt

[00:35:18] like i'm very happy we pay well i don't want to brag we jj i was like jj what a researcher's charge and he was like you know this is the range and i was like let's go in the upper end of that

[00:35:29] range i wanted to sort of brag about that pride ourselves on paying everyone who works for the podcast it's increasing number of people on the upper end of that range or even a little bit of love

[00:35:37] above uh but uh you know the downside of that is you have to research joe dirt i i i bring this up just because i don't think i would have found this on my own and it is the thing that kind

[00:35:48] of functions as a turnkey for this movie to me that wolf and peedmont wrote it not as a spade vehicle that it's sort of two things going on independently right a lot of these s and l guys

[00:36:00] leave s and l go i guess i should write features now and a lot of them write scripts that get option that are liked within hollywood never get made smigel for years had so many scripts

[00:36:09] that could never get made right like zoe hand was one of those where for 20 years people were like no fucking way even after sandler had become a movie zoe hand was the toughest cell

[00:36:20] right um but this movie doesn't make sense being incubated as a david spade vehicle because schneider like immediately sandler goes i'm i can make you a movie star he's like okay i get it i look funny

[00:36:34] make movies that play off of me being unlikely as the thing in the title or magically transforming into that and and being concerned and weirded out and trying to turn back what what if i were

[00:36:46] a hot chick for example only rob schneider could ask this they feel like very strategically designed movies to create a new movie star whereas this feels like spade being like i can make anything

[00:36:58] i want and you'll produce it sandler i don't know my buddies have that script it's not really on paper a good fit for me but i'd like to get that made you know it's funny because yeah because

[00:37:09] like post you know like we you know like what he's doing with farley it's like that's his s and l thing that's his persona it's what we understand of him joe dirt isn't dicky roberts which is

[00:37:20] his next movie ben are you a dicky roberts fan oh god what is that and what is that again it's someone where he's like a former child star like it's got like kind of you know a lot of

[00:37:31] hollywood jokes in it right he's uh an 80s child star who is up his career's bottomed out and he's up for a part in a big movie and the director says that they don't think he could play it because

[00:37:45] he hasn't had a normal childhood and he doesn't relate to the script so he moves in with a family wow yeah and has them treat him like their child so we can have a real childhood i just want to

[00:37:57] bring up quickly when they wrote that script it was supposed to be martin scorsese and robert deniro who are considering hiring him for this movie okay okay i was like sorry doing what scorsese

[00:38:11] and deniro were supposed to appear in the films that themselves as the two guys making this movie considering hiring dicky roberts who gives him the ultimatum that he needs to learn what it's like to have a normal childhood and then instead it becomes rob riner and alec Baldwin

[00:38:27] well you know yeah so like but i'm just saying like that one maybe is a little more what you might expect is but even that one's kind of odd i feel like you're what you're saying is right

[00:38:36] like right uh is rob schneider he's like yeah the animal the hot chick put me in the stupidest shit where i'm on the poster just going like uh and like you know it like that's that'll be enough

[00:38:48] the poster is the whole thing the movie is rob schneider is blank and then him looking alarmed right i am yeah right i'm the hot chick right it was like so cleanly packaged dirt is fascinating

[00:39:03] in comparison spade is yeah he's not he's not doing that he's like i have these kind of really difficult to explain sort of niche characters that i want to be that have kind of a lot going on

[00:39:18] and so i remember like being in a movie theater and walking past this poster that's david spade in a cutoff you know flannel molot holding a mop pointy side of it yeah

[00:39:32] and it's like and i'm just like i don't get it i what what's the what's what is it i like i wasn't completely against it but i was i didn't know how to sell anyone on it i wasn't like

[00:39:45] let's all go see joe dirt because david spade he's he's like this guy called joe dirt like i just didn't know where to take it look i i did see this in theaters i remember my friend and his mom

[00:39:57] taking me because i was such an s and l fanatic and such a sandler family fanatic and they were too like that was the one mom i knew who liked sandler movies and would

[00:40:09] willingly take us to any sandler adjacent movies um but yes unlike something like the water boy where i remember seeing that trailer and everyone was like cool i get this character he's doing an s and l

[00:40:21] he's doing that voice i know that yeah he's taking a big swing there's a voice here there's a look there's a setup i get it this was like what is this what is the premise there does not seem to

[00:40:31] be a hook to this movie it's just this guy i don't remember the trailer revealing the super structure of this movie weirdly being like a forest gump-esque yarn right they were just sort of like

[00:40:45] here's this guy joe dirt and it was like what does he do who is he it's fucking citizen kane denis miller is the joseph cotton yeah but you're missing a really important detail with this griffin

[00:40:59] there's dirt in the title yes i there's another detail which i'm only now putting together as david described the poster the poster is joe dirt kind of standing heroically holding a mop

[00:41:12] holding a mop who else do we know with a poster like that fucking toxic avenger baby fucking toxic avenger you want to be a ben's choice hold a mop on a poster yes he does famously hold a mop

[00:41:26] i'm always pushing characters holding mops yeah toxic episode eventual yeah inevitable look Ben has many a choice that is kind of it's sort of imagine like this sort of cauldron churning away

[00:41:43] and occasionally we like we get some tongs and we like pull one out we're like joe dirt okay like Ben's choice is quite unlike sophie's choice it's never just two options there are always

[00:41:55] things circulating around there are many that we put on the spreadsheet and taken out and swapped for something else but sometimes he just types something in sometimes we'll just say we have

[00:42:03] a slot here and we'll go ben there's there's a zone here where ben's choice would fit nicely it's been a little while what would you put in and oftentimes we're kind of surprised by the choice

[00:42:13] but it also immediately makes perfect sense that's what i was trying to say is like when ben chose joe dirt i'm like okay i get that that's like a cable movie that's a that's a comedy

[00:42:21] central movie sure dirt's in the title sure mob then i throw this movie on i've never seen it uh i haven't seen this caught had maybe caught clips you know here and there right like i'd probably

[00:42:33] seen bits you're welcome and like thank you and like the first you know it's like he's driving a car with a chain steering wheel he's attaching bottle rockets to a cow's tail i was like oh i didn't

[00:42:46] i see you understand this is like a quadrant of ben's personality i'm not a slice david your text was just at at 11 41 a.m this movie is a hozzly manifesto he exactly i just didn't realize

[00:43:04] there was so much baked into this character that really i guess all i knew is like he's like a trashy guy with a mullet and he has a mop like i didn't know as you said griffin that there was this

[00:43:14] like this whole life story superstructure going on like the search for the parents like i didn't know any of that was in here but just there's just a lot about joe dirt that must speak to ben

[00:43:26] i mean let's just talk about joe dirt's jobs in this movie great he goes from janitor right well rather okay he starts out signware oil rig worker carney janitor at a school croc show performer

[00:43:41] to national sensation and author of life's garden dig it or life's a garden dig it that is cool as hell like in the sense of when i was a kid i was like i've always wanted to be a carney

[00:43:57] i've always wanted to fucking like be a croc i've gone to croc shows before man they're fucking ben i should put your head in a gator that's fucking crazy wow i feel like you wanted

[00:44:09] to be someone that people were scared of not in a way where it's like they're scared of you because you're like a heavy who's gonna beat them up they're just kind of scared of your energy

[00:44:20] they're just like a little like i asked you're clear that guy you know what i mean like that guy's that guy yeah he's in another world i'm a weird yeah i'm okay with that assessment

[00:44:33] david i much like then have seen this movie many times i saw in theaters as i said and i also feel like i watched it many times on comedy central i probably had not seen it in 10 years

[00:44:45] but there was a period of time where i was watching almost every time it was on i would kind of get sucked in and i i remember being kind of underwhelmed by it in theaters as such a big

[00:44:55] sandler fan and even a schneider fan and spade fan like all of them at this point in time but it was one of those movies that like every time i rewatched it kind of grew for me

[00:45:03] i've always had this kind of soft spot for it and i do think just like the literal framing device of this movie i find kind of poignant but i also like the framing of this character people talk about

[00:45:19] like fucking all these screenwriting books that give you like the hack on what you need to do to make a character likable right and save the cat shit and whatever and so often studios are counter

[00:45:30] intuitively going like we need this character to be cool we need to make him really cool and high status and awesome so the audience likes him the framing of this character and how he's introduced is so

[00:45:40] unconventional and i find it so intriguing immediately where it's just like here's this weird anomalous guy right unlike most movies of this era like big character comedies with a comedian putting on a wig and doing a funny voice and whatever right those movies exist in

[00:45:59] a universe where the character fits into that universe so for example like even in the water boy if bobby buchet is the character who everyone's making fun of he still feels like he's in the right movie you know whereas like joe dirt immediately every other character in the

[00:46:17] universe this film is like who the fuck is this guy not just this guy's a loser but like are you for fucking real and what this movie essentially does is here's a guy you would

[00:46:28] see on a poster at a mall and go that movie looks stupid and what if we force you to actually reckon with him as a real human being with thoughts and feelings and scars that's the thing

[00:46:39] griffin i think that's why you were underwhelmed by it as a however how old would you been in 2001 like a year it's just a joke delivery system as a series of gross outgags whatever it's lacking

[00:46:51] those sandler movies the water especially the you know billy madison water boy you know those early ones right yes they have the little narrative arc of this weird guy is going to make good

[00:47:03] but it's a lot of sketchy stuff yeah they're good joke delivery machines the characters jump you know the sporting characters jump off the screen now it's not like joker doesn't have that but it's

[00:47:14] the there's a weird soulfulness yes show dirt yes i guess that sort of slows it down yeah and i will say this is not a movie i thought was like a masterpiece i'm sorry but like there were

[00:47:29] things like it's good it's pretty good my mind wandered at times because it's not going for like bam bam bam bam and i guess i keep trying to circle back around a spade where i'm like is

[00:47:43] that spades energy but then i'm like not really he's kind of like a wisecracker yeah and like it asshole and a he's like a zigger guy right so like but is this just some weird like he's in a

[00:47:57] bit of a low moment he wants to try something different or is this just like the passionate thing he had to get out i don't know it's not written for him as we said right no no although

[00:48:07] he was you know he jumped on and he helped it happen but yeah yeah um i think he liked the script he made it clear that no one was going to fucking green light a movie with him after

[00:48:18] lost and found and he was sort of in his own where it's like i don't know i guess he's a sitcom guy i guess i'll ride that for the rest of his life sandler says like what do you want to do he goes

[00:48:26] joe dirt he goes i'll produce that spades like you don't have to and sandler's like okay you know i think unlike schneider who perhaps was like i'll take everything you got give me all

[00:48:36] the goodwill you have sandler spade was like i don't want you ruining your cachet on me but like sandler was very much behind this movie this is you know fairly early days of happy madison

[00:48:50] branching out into other other people's vehicles uh schneider was only the only other person who was kind of in line before spade but um yes i i think because i did the other night couldn't

[00:49:03] sleep i did a marathon of all the american pie movies and that was sort of making me think about that wave of like the fairly brothers comedies and the american pie movies as like

[00:49:14] the most high profile ones but even like the shittier tears of that it was like building comedies around a couple you won't believe this fucking thing that happens scenes right right

[00:49:25] like in our rated movies it's like the fucking they come in the beer he fucks the pie there's there's jizz in the hair right it's like those fucking like visual gross out insane set piece

[00:49:37] scenes and i feel like this movie has a couple of those like there are two sequences that are sequences there are two set pieces that are built around poop right there are two plot threads

[00:49:48] that are built around joe dirth being embarrassed by his proximity to poop like you know mistaking poop for something else uh i got poo on me that that shit despite it currently being my

[00:50:00] virtual background him eating a burger fries off a big chunk of space poop that's the stuff for me that is like okay whatever and i think when i was 12 seeing this movie in theaters i was

[00:50:10] like this is less funny than the other versions of this i've seen in other movies even at 12 you were like all right i feel pandered to right right but but the thing that fucking works for

[00:50:21] this movie is a lot of the dialogue and just the general like kind of soulfulness and the interrogation of this character the kind of all shucks energy of it the way it starts with him

[00:50:31] on the back foot and people being mean to him yes and you're like what's your fucking problem like this guy's fun and what's endearing about this guy right off the bat right this movie starts with

[00:50:41] like three minutes of people just fucking dunking on this guy at his workplace right he's treated as some weird curio like he gets shoved hard right he's getting bullied by adults as an

[00:50:53] adult man yeah working as a janitor in an office right and then Dennis Miller in probably the best use of Dennis Miller as a quote-unquote actor ever this is like the only way to use Dennis

[00:51:07] Miller in a movie kind of an outstanding use of him he's he's fucking great he's really he is like so in the pocket like yeah he's kind of in the pocket he is and like he's in the

[00:51:21] pocket with the obvious Miller-esque like slams but I also think he plays well the arc of this guy against his better judgment starting to get emotionally invested in the Joe Dirt thing because it's set up that it's like he's Dennis Miller right to some degree he's playing himself

[00:51:38] I know the character's name is Dennis Miller he's playing a radio host who's a shock like a daytime talk yeah talk show I was gonna say he's doing the Dennis Miller comedic

[00:51:50] persona but he's kind of framed as like a local Howard Stern right who has like a very avid listenership but also is like bringing people in to make fun of them is this whack-pack kind of guy

[00:52:03] where it's like if I find some lunatic I'll put him in mic and I'll like give them the stage but take every possible shot I can at this person at their expense

[00:52:13] he just can't get over how this guy looks that his name is Joe Dirt yeah I mean you know he was born without the top of his skull so they put a mullet wig on him so you know he does kind

[00:52:26] of look like a dang-ass freak right there's that you know but here's the thing that's key for me when they bring him on and they're mocking him to his face Joe Dirt both understands that he's the

[00:52:42] butt of the joke right he's not someone so craven for attention that he's willing to debase himself he's just kind of like look I've been me my whole life most people don't like it

[00:52:53] everyone makes fun of me I stand tall like he's got this not defensiveness but this pride in himself where it's like you're not going to change me I understand I'm hip to it I get

[00:53:06] that you're poking fun but like I'm not hiding it you know there's a there's a weird kind of like I don't know stoic-ness to his sense of self yeah well it's also he knows who he is

[00:53:20] yeah and he's like you're gonna learn how hard of a life he's had he lived in the woods by himself for many years so he's gone so far it's like he's like I've lived through whatever you say

[00:53:32] it's like I've already had to go through so much adversity and you can't hurt me you know like I there is like there is something about his persona that yeah I know what you're saying

[00:53:45] that you can't hurt me thing and I think like this is another thing I can't believe I'm saying this but I think Dennis Miller plays well is that a lot of before he gets emotionally

[00:53:56] invested in this guy he immediately has this kind of perverse respect for the guy that the guy like can just take it you know right because they're they're giving it to him right and yeah exactly

[00:54:09] right so he starts saying like what's your fucking deal man what's your story Joe dirt right tell me what's up I'm going to now read okay no okay go ahead no no no what are you gonna do

[00:54:20] please that just this quote that JJ dug up about the origins of the character this is from teen tribute JJ he goes deep sometimes I like it yeah I just like this quote because this seems to

[00:54:30] idea he's a convalesion a bunch of guys and met growing up you see him in hockey games and NASCAR monster truck rallies at the 7-11 he's a guy cruising along puffed up a little bit

[00:54:39] arms out thinks he's tough not much going on I find those guys funny so it was like let's make the best weirdest version we can think of and make him a nice guy huge you know what I mean like

[00:54:50] this is the thing that JJ says like in all the interviews he's like I want him to be nice because that's not something I'd done before like everyone thinks of me as only being a

[00:55:00] smart me guy and also probably to a degree lost and found was like the worst overcorrection of too much smart and then right too much creep too much shoot me he's just a crue horny right

[00:55:12] right but he good I have to read that this is the most Ben Hosley quote oh my god we gave him we gave him a funny haircut and a stupid outfit and had him say dang a lot that's the recipe for

[00:55:24] success just say dang a lot like so literally the word dang mm-hmm a Ben Hosley faith let's be honest also also the co-writer grew up in Montana and he worked on oil rigs and incarnables and a

[00:55:39] bong shop hell yeah right right so so so you know they're they're they're dipping into just like it's kind of like how baby boy you know singleton's just like what's up with that guy no one makes

[00:55:51] a movie about this guy right right right this is that's what this is the other thing that reminds me of in that sense is uh roman j israel s choir where it's like make an entire movie about

[00:56:02] the guy you walk past and go what's his life yeah like who's this middle-aged guy with like weird like 90s headfoil you listen to a Walkman who is this guy right right he's holding like 18

[00:56:12] reams of paper like who is this fucking suit like is he going to work what a good is he homeless like what's the deal good movie uh so something else I wanted to say I think that is so genius

[00:56:24] about this this choice with the character is it also makes it really easy for I think certain like some kinds of audiences to just laugh at him yes you know what I mean like where they are

[00:56:36] like look at this loser like it I feel like it has like it can play a lot of different ways too yeah but I think the trick the movie's trying to pull is the thing that ends up being the arc

[00:56:47] of the movie of like you start getting this like Truman show Eskiman ashery of watching different groups of people huddled around the radio just like on the edge of their seats totally

[00:57:00] invested in the saga of Joe dirt yeah and like for 90% of the movie every time they cut to one of these people it's at one of the most embarrassing low points in a Joe dirt story and you're seeing

[00:57:10] groups of people at a nail salon at a bar at a construction site whatever going like this fucking idiot are you kidding me like they're just like clowning on him like everyone is

[00:57:20] laughing at him and then not to jump ahead but there's this turn where everyone is like ahead by the way jump ahead no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no but but I do like that

[00:57:35] like everyone's like oh fuck I actually care for Joe dirt he has lived a tragic life I gotta I gotta say this there's an Twitter account called that's at Joe dirt that just tweets

[00:57:47] Joe dirt quotes a lot of shit will buff out you know like a lot of that over and over again so anytime it tweets I got the poo on me any time which seems to be like a few times a year

[00:58:00] drill faves it yeah and it's the only tweets that drill faves you can look at drill likes famed twitter account drills likes they're only Joe dirt pooped from 2012 all the way to 2018

[00:58:18] they're all yes I got poo on me anyway I got the poo on me Joe dirt Joe dirt he starts out he's played by Dewey from Malcolm in the middle as a little boy oh yeah what Eric Eric Pearce

[00:58:33] Sullivan is that his name yeah yeah I would want to make sure that that yeah what a what a funny name that guy yeah whatever happened to that guy Eric Pearce Sullivan he still works I did

[00:58:43] addition with him years ago huh he's 30 years old now yeah uh I don't know yeah he hasn't done a movie since 12 the jolts you mark a movie which you definitely auditioned for no that's the one

[00:58:55] you out no we did a chemistry test together and then he got hired and I didn't but I auditioned with him which was nice uh uh yes we do the couple years or he was everywhere

[00:59:08] yeah he was funny he's a cute kid he was like the weird kid though right yeah yeah yeah like his ears stuck out and he had kind of right odd energy he's very funny I'm Malcolm in the middle

[00:59:19] but he's got a whole chunk of movie here where it's it's little boy Joe dirt as you said he was born without the top of his skull so his mama put this uh mullet wig on him and then as

[00:59:31] he grew the wig fused into his skull and now he cannot remove it um an incredible detail a funny joke his parents leave him at or rather they leave they lose him at the Grand Canyon

[00:59:51] as we think at the beginning of the movie that's that is his understanding he gets lost at the Grand Canyon and then is now on his own as a kid I would you know I will say I'd never seen this movie before

[01:00:06] I assumed that he had been left behind like right like it's kind of it's kind of he's he's obviously not like this isn't a home alone thing there is he's being abandoned I know no he's gonna take a

[01:00:19] long time to learn that but I sort of there's no helicopters there's no sirens there there's no uh floodlights there no one's searching for him but this is like another Ben Hosley archetype I feel

[01:00:34] like which is a hobo kid yes yes yeah sure a little urchin now this is jumping ahead a little bit which no no no we're not gonna do we'll jump back but I just want to say this before I

[01:00:47] forget because this was not included in JJ's notes I found one thing that he was not able to find um JJ is fucking embarrassed right now after having 36 ish hours to turn this around yes

[01:01:01] yeah what you find would you I just sent a link to you guys a photo this film originally stunt casted Joe Dirt's parents in the movie uh wow they are played by uh Caroline Aaron uh

[01:01:16] Nora Efron stock company favorite and Fred Ward and a good one-scene performance but do you recognize the two people in this picture well we got Bucie as the dad yes he's wearing a cutoff

[01:01:26] flannel now who is this is the mom Rose and oh my god wow it's Rose and spade really wanted Rose and she agreed but with a ton of demands kept on demanding rewrites reschedules they kept on

[01:01:43] pushing it back her her filming because of that she shows up on set she starts doing the part and then she quits yeah well she would have she wouldn't have been the right the people those actors

[01:01:56] are like great those are those are great choices that's great casting yeah uh Fred Ward's particularly good I mean even just looking at this photo it looks so broad like what both of them are doing and it's

[01:02:10] so stunt casting whereas I feel like Caroline Aaron and Fred Ward play it pretty straight which you need to because that scene is just kind of depressing that seems kind of sad and Fred Ward

[01:02:20] is really good in it in that like he's really good at playing a douchebag who barely understands that he's a douchebag right you know what I mean like yeah he kind of believes what he's saying

[01:02:29] where he's like ah come on right um but yes uh uh Roseanne and Garibusie shot then Roseanne quit and rather than trying to talk her back into coming back and finishing she just said

[01:02:41] fucking reshot it um so yes he's like a kid riding the rails right and then sleeping in the woods and he comes across a meteorite one one night right that's the transition from child Joe dirt to

[01:02:58] adult Joe dirt is space poop gotta say did not see that coming didn't see it coming well because you you know in a life you have significant moments David I think seeing a meteorite hit the

[01:03:11] ground would would be one of those for anybody yeah that'd be a big boy right so the meteorites like his best friend he has it in a red wagon he drags it behind him he eats fast food off of it and

[01:03:23] then he goes to get it like appraised they tell him in fact it is a frozen chunk of space poop from an airplane right yes yeah um which that's not a thing though right planes

[01:03:36] are planes dropping poop like that isn't that a thing like that planes I think it's not usual but like it's happened that like a plane might accidentally dump its waste you know from the

[01:03:48] sky or whatever and like frozen it's called blue ice yeah oh uh yeah they're not allowed to do it but like you know it's happened that it's like leaked out or whatever and and smashed a hole in your

[01:04:01] house or whatever fucking disgusting yeah wow oh so um after the appraisal it's this movie just jumps right it's just jumping around like it's this guy's life so now we're in Silvertown

[01:04:16] and this is where he meets Brandi and I feel like where exactly what's the location David that he meets Brandi first and the dog Charlie yeah David describe what would you say it is the location

[01:04:36] it's a small town no but they're there they're the what's happening where are they what are they on what are they standing on please just put me out of my misery a freaking porch David a dang

[01:04:51] ass god is not frozen to a porch I'm sorry they're on it they're on a porch of course yeah damn what a what a fool I was to forget your favorite aesthetic but but it's a meet cute a la joe dirt is dog with

[01:05:06] long balls has gotten them frozen to the planks of a porch joe dirt see meets the most beautiful woman he's ever seen his life begs her to go get warm water and a spatula I would just want

[01:05:19] to say we kicked up this episode being like you know this movie is kind of like low on bits not very sketchy and kind of a little more soulful and now we're just like so after the space poop

[01:05:29] is the dog because this is the front loading this is the front loading yeah this is the section of the movie where joe dirt just takes elves and then it cuts to Dennis Miller coming up with a

[01:05:39] quip on the L and then everyone in America laughing at the double embarrassment uh and it's like also it's just this is right the producers are like 30 pages and they're like yeah fine we get

[01:05:51] it sandler okay sure got 15 million dollars that go go make it yeah they stop reading at the dog balls and they say let's go fine yeah uh this is Brittany Daniel who uh was best known before

[01:06:05] this for being a double mint twin her and her sister were both models her identical twin and then they did the sweet valley high tv show together and then her sister kind of retired and this is

[01:06:16] the beginning of britney daniel's like comedy career and then she goes on to be in like the wanes brothers movies uh she was uh in a relationship with kin and ivory wanes for like 15 years

[01:06:28] yeah um but she was on that show girlfriends the kenya bearish show right didn't he create that um uh no you well no i run about that game which is that which is the girlfriend spin off

[01:06:40] gosh which uh which aired on the cw for i want to say like oh no that's it it aired on the cw for three years and then on bet for like another six or whatever it didn't go away

[01:06:52] um yeah what else did she do she was on sweet valley high like you say i don't know her that well i i see you know what she's been on blackish um she's done some some kenya bearish shows right

[01:07:04] right and uh she's done she's been on always sunny a lot right she's in joe dirt too is she not she was a return she is uh there are four returning cast members in joe dirt too from i ricka five

[01:07:19] and you'd be surprised by who didn't return and who did but we'll get to that uh later um but but she's like you know this is that tricky fucking thing to do like the the sandler wife

[01:07:31] becomes such a thankless part at a certain uh point you know the thing with the sandler wife though is it's like not only are the parts thankless but it's usually occupied by like oscar

[01:07:40] nominated movie stars where you're like what is salma hayek doing like what is this right it used to work better where it's like have fun right this this britney daniel like bridge

[01:07:52] it wilson in uh uh happy uh gill no bridget wilson's in billy madison and the julie bowens and happy gilmore like those are the good ones where it feels like they actually get to like

[01:08:05] have uh i don't know comedy themselves yeah more sitcom energy not sure like what's this movie start doing like sizzling up the screen going like oh what do you come on you you

[01:08:19] did a thing that's uh there's a deer you know like where you're like this i think those parts once they become oscar actresses start to feel more like the according to jim wife whereas like the three

[01:08:30] i just mentioned i feel like push back against their heroes a little more but also have like a genuine dare i say it again sweetness to them they're sweet but also like they're kind of just

[01:08:41] there to play like julie julie bowen rules and happy gilmore she's there to have fun like you know obviously she's playing kind of the straight man but like you know she bust balls she's got jokes

[01:08:51] like yeah anyway britney but britney daniel she's all right i don't know like jayme pressley i feel like is probably more the the breakout female character you have to imagine this directly leads to

[01:09:06] my name is that she doesn't get cast in my name is role if not for this her masterpiece i mean that is a wonderful performance she won an amy for i mean i i know this is hacky say it when jamie

[01:09:20] pressley appeared in this movie i truly for a second googled that yet to make sure that it was her because i saw her and i was like that's jamie pressley and there was something in the back of

[01:09:30] my mind it's like are you sure that's not margot robbie they look exactly it's pretty wild it's pretty wild they look like i mean obviously i know margot robbie is like a good 10 years

[01:09:40] younger right and that's why it's not margot robbie i know margot robbie's age is a slightly controversial topic sure but she's certainly not in her 40s like she's not jamie pressley's age so i was like okay there's no way that margot robbie an australian teenager or whatever was

[01:09:55] intro dirt but it looks just like margot robbie like jamie pressley at this point in time or whatever yeah right the age roughly that margot robbie has been in movies uh yes i agree there's

[01:10:08] there's that weird like margot robbie samara weaving uh jamie pressley and then there's i think the girl on sex education where people make the grid of the four of them and they're very similar right you're

[01:10:23] talking about um i don't fucking know your amy lou wood is that her no i don't know i'm just looking at my mackey i yes i'm a mackey oh she looks like oh she does look like they could all play the same

[01:10:35] character five years apart from each other right yeah if you ever needed that done yes uh anyway okay yes he meets britney daniel yes so okay and then i guess we should we should also talk about then

[01:10:47] kid rock being in this movie and how he's a fucking piece of shit in this movie and he's a fucking piece of shit in real life right but i mean only in 2001 is kid rock stunt casting

[01:11:01] crucial to a movie right like how's how's is that window crucial he was a huge part of the marketing campaign they were like it's his film debut and just like if you're like if i am struggling to

[01:11:13] explain to someone like what joe dirt is yeah i'm like you know kid rocks in it and they probably would be like okay okay i think i got a kind of place to have me um here's the thing i want to

[01:11:27] say guys i want you to i want you to tell i like do you want to say bye with the bar the bang the bang

[01:11:33] i didn't want to say that okay sorry i didn't want to say that i want to say that i want to say that i moved i'm you want to be a cowboy baby i want to be a cow i moved to england in 1995 what i return

[01:11:46] i returned from england in 2008 i there's certain things that i missed sure like matchbox 20 missed it wow you know there's certain like there's certain american pop culture phenomenons that didn't travel at all and so when i came back it was over kid rock i missed the whole

[01:12:05] thing i never really knew i of course i've like heard a couple of the songs i missed the whole how much were you guys as kids from the northeast hearing about kid rock in 2000 like to what extent

[01:12:18] did you have to think about kid oh total total crossover the devil without a cause all over mtv and at the same time is mute i mean but this was like a time where it was like

[01:12:31] so much of popular music was just fucking garbage right but it was he was a tough time it was the rap rock thing crossing over with country in a way he was building off of like the m&m breakthrough

[01:12:45] yeah but but he was he was huge i mean whereas now he's still a big deal but in a very specific region of the country right his audience is is narrower now right yes yes he was mainstream

[01:13:00] zeitgeist pop culture which peaked with him dating pamela anderson them going to the vmas and bragging to everyone on the red carpet that they had just fucked in the limo that was like

[01:13:11] yes the pinnacle of it it was it was that it's this movie it's uh bah would it be it's fucking that he was on the simpsons like that was i would watch the simpsons

[01:13:23] religiously yeah and occasionally there would be a guest star would pop in where the simpsons is clearly like roll out the red carpet we got kid rock this guy is in every fucking scene

[01:13:35] this isn't a one minute cameo like this we are building an episode not only was kid rock on the simpsons joe c was on the simpsons joe c and uncle cracker like they got them all in there yeah and

[01:13:48] i would just be watching and i'd be like i don't get the jokes yeah like i don't i i i don't know who i know like i've heard of kid rock but i don't get like is that a thing kid rock does no this

[01:13:59] was like this was a victory lap performance for him like i believe this was both after the simpsons and after his breakthrough album yeah this is because that's like late 90s the simpsons episode

[01:14:10] is 2000 and this is 2000 right this was a is is he ready to take over movies as well but also it's like this is the exact movie you put him in yes right but he was like having the kind of

[01:14:21] trajectory where it's like he could have had a fucking sunday morning cartoon show like little fucking rock little kid rock or baby rock right uh yes he was uh beloved for a moment uh and now

[01:14:35] he's just a fucking uh terrible human being yeah it just seems like kind of a shithead slurs at concerts on stage i don't want to write i don't want to go there other than it's like a real

[01:14:47] shit i just want to throw out this bizarre factoid do you guys know that and i don't know if this has changed in the last five or so years but for the better part of like the 2010s kid rock was

[01:14:58] far and away one of the highest selling recording artists still even though he was you know had popped out of the mainstream and was only playing straight country at that point uh he was one of

[01:15:12] the highest selling artists uh in america and it was because uh kid rock did not release his music digitally he was the one guy who like wouldn't go to itunes it was just physical album sales

[01:15:27] and his audience overlapped directly with like people who still want to buy cds from walmart and the margins are so much better on cds than they are on digital that he was just selling like more records than anyone else because no one else was actually moving physical records

[01:15:46] that's insane good for him yeah good for him it's well but also didn't he play like he's like plays like the republican fucking conventions and he's the worst he's the worst devil without a cause went

[01:15:59] diamond that thing sold 11 million copies that's the ball with a buy album that's the big one yes that's that's that's but i bring that up just because that is kind of why he's still been

[01:16:11] able to retain this prominence within the sort of like trump adjacent uh circles because he just got so big within his narrow zone anyway he plays uh this character is randy is that right

[01:16:27] robby i believe this is his name yes uh dick not my favorite part of the movie i gotta be honest yeah but like there needs to be like a central bully like right i mean that's what he the

[01:16:38] obstacle from brandy one thing i really like i think people know that i'm a big fan of comedic repetition i do like that without fail every single time robbie enters the movie they play ain't seen

[01:16:52] nothing yet oh okay sure he always has the exact same entrance song which i like entrance songs are funny yeah uh but yeah he's whatever yeah so and then also there's drunk dad and the whole

[01:17:08] business with the train and the harming of the dog which just really sucks makes me mad i hate that the dog gets hurt that's not cool but also the kind of thing you would not expect to happen in a

[01:17:24] movie like this like just kind of too dark too upsetting right too real like there the rug doesn't get pulled or whatever you know yeah that's true you you do have the cut away to

[01:17:35] the dog uh fucking another dog uh to the what's that song well well well yippee yop yop yop yay like that's what you expect in a movie like this and then to end that sequence with an old

[01:17:48] yellow turn is like a little jarring but it's it's kind of telling you what the movie's trying to do yeah now what happens next is like a thing i think should happen more often in movies with

[01:18:01] the character which is they just hop a train ride the rails uh yeah that's true yeah that's true and so we have to spend a bunch of time letting the telling the the story of how he got a fucking hemi

[01:18:17] and there's this like um the old lady who sells it to him is just like frank about how she shot her husband he gets in a balloon the balloon takes him to then an oil rig where he works

[01:18:31] like okay i look let's just underline this a little bit joe dirt's job is he's like a walking sign for like a dental place right and then the dental place on top of their establishment

[01:18:46] has a hot air balloon in the shape of a molar within the span of two minutes he has this conversation with this woman who admits to murder gets deeply invested in joe dirt's quest

[01:18:58] for his parents decides that she will sell this car to joe dirt for 40 dollars and then immediately upon getting the car his boss comes out and says storms are coming put some bricks in the hot air

[01:19:10] balloon he instead gets in the hot air balloon and the hot air balloon flies away and he's cast away like i don't know the wizard of azz like the wizard himself right like azz the great and powerful

[01:19:23] yeah james franco himself i just want to say the reason he leaves brandy is because he has this complex where he just believes brandy is too good for him despite the fact that he's clearly in love

[01:19:33] with her uh it's not even like she'd never go for me it's like i debase her you know like they're best friends but he's resigned to the idea that she's gonna marry someone like robbie

[01:19:45] instead despite the fact that she says to him what happens if you leave and i end up marrying someone like robbie instead like she doesn't want that but he overthinks and he talks himself out of it

[01:19:57] and he gets caught in a balloon and then he meets kicking when is that is that the next wing yeah yes that's uh adam beach's character sure um you uh is a firework salesman slip not

[01:20:12] not a good firework salesman one would argue he's not good at all adam beach who i think of is mostly a serious actor uh had been in movies like squanto warriors tale and smoke signals right smoke

[01:20:27] signals was the big break through one yeah yeah uh he's kind of funny in this he's like his energy yeah yeah there's a fun character i mean right because this woman encourages well well put yes

[01:20:40] the woman who sells joe dirt the hemi also tells him that her husband used to be a uh what's a forensic artist yes uh is that the right name of that thing and that like if he has a memory of his parents

[01:20:55] he might be able to find them you know if uh he's starting to get people give him advice on ways he might be able to track down his parents but so he decides oh i need to find an actual tracker

[01:21:05] so he goes to kicking when he imagines is a native american tracker but is told him that the business was so bad that he got into fireworks instead no one wanted a tracker anymore but he's a really shitty

[01:21:16] firework salesman because as as we dramatically showcased in the opening of this episode very limited in his inventory yeah what he carries he's got none of the good stuff but they end up

[01:21:30] instead spending a bunch of time just blowing shit up with fireworks which is fucking great and fun don't you love to see that guys the art of fireworks yeah yeah there's nothing better than

[01:21:41] shooting off fireworks at and then blowing up stuff with like gasoline that's fun as hell right then they find what they believe is an atom bomb buried in the desert right and then what do

[01:21:52] you do with that griff blow it up yeah yeah yeah then then chicken wing like wiley coyote style turns into a dust and ash version of himself and when the wind comes he blows away it's dust and ash

[01:22:06] perfectly shaped in his figure that then blows away then you realize that was a dream sequence he is in fact uh passed out but they're gonna go get this uh bomb appraised i i guess they want

[01:22:20] to finders fee right well no no they're gonna use the bomb oh he's gonna strap it to himself yes and he's going to go to this grand canyon tour bus company right we'll have the records of his parents or

[01:22:35] you know visiting on that day so he could start to like pick through the names and start to track these people down right so he's threatening everybody right at this this this uh bus depot

[01:22:47] whatever and he's like i'm gonna hit this atom bomb with a hammer if you don't give me the info well guess what it wasn't a bomb it wasn't a bomb you'll never know it's a bunch of dang poop it was

[01:23:01] a poop silo i got the poo on me he got the poo on him now let's be honest this is the wrong number of joe dirt thinks he's found something valuable turns out to be poop in a movie you

[01:23:16] can't do it two times you can do one time or you could do it three times this is my argument they need to do it one more if they're doing it twice they need to do it at least one more time i

[01:23:26] think that's a fair argument so griff you you don't think the scene is like the sort of cathartic scene in best picture winner slumdog millionaire where he's got a lot of poop but they only do it

[01:23:36] one time that's the point i know i'm just saying i think i think danie boyle saw this movie oh absolutely it went like hmm comedy rule of three is that one time is an occurrence two times as a

[01:23:48] coincidence third three times as a pattern right they need to let this shit be a pattern baby they do they need to let the ship be a pattern baby um i'm trying to think of some other

[01:24:03] well there's okay there's the buffalo bob guy right well hold on hold on don't worry i got all of this written down all right i made sure to do my homework but i wanted to talk about

[01:24:14] there is a moment here because essentially where we're at now is the end of day one of his conversation right on the radio denis miller yes and he's reflecting and we have a david matthew's band drop

[01:24:29] now i feel like that is there's a little tiny window of time where i guess that was the thing right but another one i actually bring it back i think i i actually don't mind david matthew's band

[01:24:43] they're not i'm not a passionate about them but i also think sometimes you know they get a little too much you know they're kind of uh the butt of jokes right i say learn you know it's like

[01:24:53] they're in there david matthew's david matthew's has been in a couple movies yeah he's in the movies and all that but that is i just want to say that's another one that never made it to

[01:25:02] britain every time they had a record they would fucking try to sell english people on it and i don't know why but i think what i like that the energy could not transfer but anyway david matthew's band

[01:25:13] i think you're right ben this is this is their window is this around the same time that david matthew's gets in trouble for his tour van dumping a bunch of poop into a river the poop

[01:25:26] it's a good question only because we're talking about the amount of poop reveals in joe durr it's true the poop bus incident happened in 2004 so okay okay it's a few years later but not long not long yeah

[01:25:44] 800 pounds of poop that was one of those things where just headline writers had a field day with that fucking thing because it was just like david matthew's releases his worst album yet you

[01:25:55] know drops another another one good stuff yes uh okay so this whole this whole carnival scene where we meet jayme presley and it's the very like you know two trashy people like just having to hook up right

[01:26:16] but then it's sort of is that whole like country music you know exaggerated trope of like people sleeping with their cousins and their sisters kind of stuff the easy kind of redneck joke yes but complicated by the fact that joe durr because we haven't really gotten into this

[01:26:37] has this very weird spotty memory of like he can't remember his parents what they look like and he can't really remember uh he cannot at all remember his name because dirt is not his real last

[01:26:52] name they call him joe durr in his family he has this memory of his sister in the backseat mocking him and saying that's why you're not a blank and he can't remember what the last name is so it's

[01:27:04] all kind of foggy for him he sleeps with jayme presley after there's a significant eye fucking sequence set to who do you love right mm-hmm and then after sleeping together what's the thing that

[01:27:19] reminds him at first it's just like something she says that brings back the flashback and then he like drops her off and he has this stupid scene we're in the mirror where he's talking it through

[01:27:31] he's like did you ever have a brother did you ever go to the grand canyon that's yeah something right and he's like come on man that's your sister in there you have to treat her right

[01:27:39] and then it cuts again to the the shack shaking and their moans of pleasure so then you go back out to denis miller this is a thing i want to acknowledge quickly the way that denis miller

[01:27:51] and fred wolf is the other guy at the radio station right but also the groups of people listening to this story over the radio relate to it is not as if they are hearing this guy

[01:28:01] telling his story as if they are seeing the movie because there are multiple points in which they go like wait a second wait a second didn't you eat off of that space poop and it's like

[01:28:12] are you implying that he described that part look you guys are overthinking joker i'm gonna i'm gonna call you guys out you are now officially overthinking they talk about how good brandy's ass looks that's a thing that denis miller mentions what do you mean you haven't seen

[01:28:28] brandy and then this is a game this is a joke that only works off of the editing of the imagery like the stark like hard cut to outside the house they're having sex again

[01:28:41] and it's sister brother sister sex and they're all like ah and he's like i'm kidding i'm kidding but joe dirt paints paints with the brush i mean exactly you just have to imagine joe dirt on the

[01:28:52] radio being like ah and then we were going at it and it was like ah you're my sister he is a florid storyteller but yes he reveals that he wasn't he did in fact clear that uh she was

[01:29:02] not his sister and then they tried to have sex again and then it wasn't good for him anymore so then he pretended she was a sister and then joker claims he was just kidding anyway that's jayme

[01:29:13] presley sexually sexual the movie that five years later gets her an emmy look she's she's good in this and great later on right she's like the girl from poison ivy before this

[01:29:26] and she's right right right and then poison ivy before or whatever and then after this she does not another teen movie and she does tom catz sure but uh you know this is not another

[01:29:39] teen movie the two things where it's like oh she's funny then my aim is her all she's great and then she just does 800 episodes of mom she's been on mom for a long time yeah yeah

[01:29:49] i think she's uh and she wanted me never forget she wanted me she wanted me okay so let's just skip over the buffalo bop stuff and only to say that it's fucking sucks yeah and david and i were

[01:30:00] talking a little bit before we started recording there's also a lot of homophobic jokes in this movie and it is so just emblematic of comedies and we've we've brought this up on the show in

[01:30:12] the past talking about ace ventura but there's just this time that i guess because this is kind of late i would say really because to me i always think 90s movies but not really right 2002 i guess

[01:30:25] it's really until the early to mid 2010s unfortunately but this is another movie that treats any woman who likes sex too much is kind of crazy um and uh yes everyone is constantly making jokes about

[01:30:39] judger being gay there's this buffalo bob sequence that sucks that i do feel like we obviously talked a lot about this in our songs of the lambs episode but it is one of those things where it's

[01:30:49] like that's so much of the tricky reputation of songs of the lambs is less what's in that movie and more movies riffing on it to this degree with like zero humanity to it and just turning it into this

[01:31:02] boogie man kind of thing buffalo bill jokes 10 years late like it's just it's just like it's been done it's weird how long the sequence is too like it's not like a throwaway gag it's

[01:31:13] mad tv sketch just like blown out and just terrible and you just want it to fucking end now now i don't bend console what is next but what did you want to skip over two well so but i think

[01:31:26] the the one little detail we'll pull from that sequence is it's really hilarious that for the rest of the movie joe dirts photo reference of his parents or their butts that's an effective

[01:31:40] joke but are we moving on to walk in that's right yeah that the next thing yes yeah yes he is i mean talk like we're talking in the pocket walk in is fucking crushing and i mean this is

[01:31:53] i love him in this this is when walk ins really hitting his stride of i'll be a weirdo in your comedy for 10 minutes it's the year before catch me if you can get some that oscar nom which sort

[01:32:05] of like it's not like he stops doing these kinds of movies but like vaults him back to seriousness a little bit but right now a walk in is just kind of chilling it's like yeah you want 10 minutes of

[01:32:15] walking you can get it right like wanes world 2 i feel like is the first one to really use him like that and then you know he starts hosting s and l more regularly he's in my opinion the best

[01:32:25] s and l host of all time and then right yeah he starts in cop five where it's like oh every other year he'll do a small part in a comedy like this to it becoming he does eight comedies a year

[01:32:38] like this just becomes his fucking thing i believe this is the same year as more cowbell so we're kind of at like peak comedy wow in a certain way wow yeah i think more cowbell happens may 2001

[01:32:53] is my memory so like a month after this is that the most popular sketch of of all time i'm pretty sure it is i think probably i think it is i think it's the most known sketch that is

[01:33:10] that at this point has ever existed um i there's a really good argument for that i will say i recently went on to the s and l youtube page and did sort by most popular because i was curious

[01:33:23] what the most viewed s and l sketches are uh i don't know where more cowbell comes in here but i feel like that's an example of it was on youtube through so many illegal means before then

[01:33:35] that's right it you know it got all those views on other uh seeds like rolling stone put it ninth in their greatest sketches of all time list i'm looking and ahead of it it's like matt foley is

[01:33:49] number one right motivational speaker what else buckwheat you know dick in a box wanes world uh point counterpoint you know j new ignorant slots to fawn choppin broccoli and white like me white like me is one of those sketches where it's like that's a crucial sketch in the

[01:34:07] history of comedy but it's not like a sketch that people watch all the time i don't know i watch that a lot it's great but you know you know what i mean griffin like you know it's not a

[01:34:15] it's it's it's old s and l and it's like something you it's like well you should check that up that's when s and l was really like powerful and like you know but like i think more cowbell

[01:34:23] might be a little more well known at this point i almost everything i just said yeah partly just because you know it's a long show people get younger can i just quickly say the top five

[01:34:34] most watched sketches on the s and l youtube account these are the only five sketches with over 50 million views okay number one porn teacher a sketch i barely remembered i rewatched is kind

[01:34:49] of wonky is like an amy schumer it's an amy schumer sketch where she's a teacher who like pulls the bad boy in class for like a one on one session that turns into like a porn sketch it's like the

[01:35:05] classic teacher seduces kid trope and then the joke is that ad brian is a kid in this sketch from the class whose mom hasn't come to pick her up yet and acts like a real kid in the

[01:35:17] classroom who's weirded out by why they're acting this way it is not a great sketch i imagine is the most viewed because it has porn in the title the number two most watched s and l sketch is the

[01:35:29] hermione has big boobs sketch with lindsay lohan yeah well that was i mean that's up there for similar reasons but yes that was a huge huge sketch 64 million number three is black jeopardy with tom hanks which is maybe the best s and l sketch the last 10 years

[01:35:46] i think almost inarguably um 63 million views number four is spider man kiss which is andrew garfield hosting emma stone just in that sketch on the set of spider man they just

[01:35:59] kiss a lot and they got stands you got stand online stands are pumping that one up and then number five is star wars undercover boss with adam driver that one youtube is addicted to

[01:36:13] asking me to watch that again where i'm like i saw it once i got the joke it was well done it was fine like i never need to see it again christopher walk-in is a guy who clearly used

[01:36:26] to be part of the mob is now in witness protection working as janitor in a school and he keeps on kind of slipping up it's a really good comedy use of walk-in because it's like

[01:36:41] this guy seems like the king of new york right like he seems like a character from navel for our movie and joe dirk keeps on being like where did you say you were from right and he's like kansas

[01:36:52] right kansas yeah not new york i mean it's a good fit walk-ins terrible yes um but uh he just has a couple scenes that he just kind of kills playing it with like walk-in crime gravitas

[01:37:06] it's just funny to see him with his hairdo in like coveralls saying that he's from kansas and then um there's a lab experiment gone wrong in a science class all the kids pass out he's a hero

[01:37:20] he goes and pulls them out one by one but he doesn't want the credit everyone knows that he saved them but he denies it and says that joe saved them even though joe denies it as well because he

[01:37:30] doesn't want the attention no but joe dirts a little slow he doesn't get it he goes on the news he gives him all the credit and then mafia guys come and try to put a hit out on him

[01:37:41] and you think he's dead you think he's dead and you're sad because he and joe like they had a real connection you know and joe is so distraught he think he brought this on his good friend

[01:37:54] and then he's talking up his wife and they're gonna be reunited in heaven and you know and he starts going you know like more to descriptors of like her body right and like you know her

[01:38:08] lips and it's getting a little more sexual and then this movie pulls um on rewatching a real weird move which is that he just gets a boner yeah so then you think okay this is the joke of like where

[01:38:22] weirdly sometimes when people have passed away they still get erect sure but it's not that at all i make a gun joke to me but what it is as as you're seeing up here is that he faked his own

[01:38:35] death and he's not doing a very good job faking it well not only that he just got a boner for what david spade was saying to him yeah which is crazy is wild very wild so yeah it's all this is no no

[01:38:50] i mean as far as logic goes that all checks out for me no questions no questions anyway he's gonna move on um to the gator farm and this whole thing is just so dumb like i don't even know

[01:39:08] what's going on with this section because the owner is supposed to make an impression but you're just really not clear on what our thing is yes her thing is that she's kind of just like a jaded

[01:39:24] woman yeah that she's kind of just being like chewed up by life yes has lost any joy owns a gator farm uh joe dirt gets uh i don't know uh swung around by a gator i mean i remember this being

[01:39:40] a big trailer moment oh yeah all right so we're back to silvertown uh kid rock kind of sends him away because he has this note from brandy where she has discovered who his parents really are

[01:39:59] and is trying to keep that away from him we think because they suck but because they right but when kid rock reads the note it it's it hits joe dirt's ear as i don't want you here get away he

[01:40:16] thinks brandy is the problem yeah um he at this point uh appears on trl right this is that that's when he shows up on carcel daily well because right he's now become the sensation right because it's

[01:40:30] sort of in between right the radio and the end of the movie like so right now he's like a folk hero right which i i love because he this is where he's ended his story on the radio right now right

[01:40:43] i like that it's like become a saga that he's been invited back multiple days and people have really gotten into it right and then this is like the florist gump thing where he becomes this sort of

[01:40:52] like folk hero people are writing about him he's going on tv shows they're merchandising his catch phrases life's a garden dig it um goes on trl there's a there's a mullet monthly that he's on

[01:41:05] the cover of also there's a dang magazine that he's on the cover of which i pause the notice that says the magazine for men with very little purpose in life is is it after the alligator attack

[01:41:19] that he has the he remembers his last name and that's when he calls brandy and then she tells him i found them but they're dead yes so he knew their last name at that point but then didn't

[01:41:30] think to look for them because he thought i missed i missed my window how many movies are there from again this narrow window yeah where carcin daily does a cameos himself and they're on

[01:41:42] trl there's so many things to well griffin i mean not to spoil but the i know this game i know before i remember it's the joe z and the pussy cat i remember this is a huge weekend for carcane

[01:41:55] it's probably the why we are doing joe dirt as i said joe dirt and ben was like oh hell yeah we gotta do joe dirt like you know that was printed into his brain four years ago

[01:42:07] yeah i'm pretty sure that's what happened t rl his mom calls in yeah right okay goes to cmi valley you really feel for him like these people yeah fucking suck they're fucking bad people

[01:42:22] and they are it's like a bummer that when he is like connecting trying to connect with them they're talking about these fucking clown figurines and it's like he gets emotional

[01:42:35] he's doing kind of a good job with like this very silly character but it's making you feel for him spade underplays it to his credit he underplays it he goes pretty small with it right it could

[01:42:48] be a full kind of far scene where we built to this and the parents are these like comically evil people and whatever he gets past them too but no yeah sort of slows it down fred ward like i said really good but i'll also say

[01:43:03] like there is a thing i feel like later happy madison movies in particular struggle with which is trying to like mesh their sort of like sentimentality with the the rybal goofy comedy and like i

[01:43:19] think of something like click where i don't like the part of click that is a comedy i think click starts working when it gets more emotional but it can't find the bridge between the two from my

[01:43:31] opinion i know people love click and then like something like grown-ups is like just fucking silly goof around movie and then it has moments where like the girl takes the car his daughter

[01:43:41] and drives into a tree because she wants to go visit grandma in heaven that are like where the fuck is this coming from and joe dirt is able to maintain a tone where these things can coexist

[01:43:53] which i don't think is faint praise like i i think that's actually deceptively difficult to do i think you got to give denny gordon some credit there but the scene yes as you said fred ward's really good caroline erin's really good spade underplays it

[01:44:07] and i just think the characterization here is good of just like oh the realization of these people are just looking for press they're plugging their website they slip up he catches them on a thing which makes them him realize they never really search for him

[01:44:22] they left him there on purpose they're already being defensive about it but look it worked out so well for you right they're only here to to cash in on his fame now yeah and now joe dirt is like this

[01:44:35] national tragedy uh he goes to the bridge he's ready to end it all yeah he is yep yep but brandy shows up and she's now a known name too she's part of the the the the sensation too

[01:44:51] because the cop is like you're brandy oh why didn't you say that sooner you know like come you gotta come right yeah they reunited the the love of each other's life and everything is great except accept a cop for for some reason yeah yeah

[01:45:12] fucking rodeo's him with a bungee cord yeah he's got a he's got a bungee lasso try to pull him off from jumping even though he now feels like he's been talked down but that in reality causes him

[01:45:26] to trip then he falls over the side of the bridge the bungee goes down he goes up he hits his head on the bridge knocked out wakes up and who's there all of our friends from all over v kicking wing

[01:45:43] he's a successful firework guy now and he's been able to use the money to open yes he's got yeah exactly you got uh you got clint you know uh walk in he's back he's got his name is now

[01:45:56] Gert B. Frobe just one great name that's right the name of the actor who played Goldfinger that's that's who Gert Frobe is and now Rosanna Arquette has fallen in love with him through meeting because of dirt like dirt has improved all these people's lives even before

[01:46:12] he became a national hero it's just the classic scheme of these kinds of movies where it's like right at the end it's like everyone's like I'm glad to have known you Joe dirt yeah

[01:46:22] he helped everyone he gave him good advice he made them realize what they wanted in life he helped bring people together but unfortunately his head was re-injured in the bungee lasso incident right which gave brandy an opportunity to update him with a more modern wig

[01:46:43] and that is that he has tight little dreadlocks well you can't win them all no you can't you certainly can't now I guess it's an upgrade look I don't have too much more time Griffin but before we play the box office game yeah

[01:47:01] you gotta give us just a little sprinkle of dirt too you just gotta shovel a little dirt I insist you start running the clock because I don't want to think about it for that much

[01:47:13] right yeah that's the thing is like it's one of the look obviously any IP is IP now right so like it's not shocking that there was a Joe dirt but there's something kind of tragic about the fact

[01:47:24] that this thing doesn't exist like almost almost truly doesn't exist this is the most interesting thing about it in our jokey way the most interesting thing about this movie is they're like kind of depressing selling point for the film was it's the first straight to digital

[01:47:40] sequel boy right right and it's on like America's least favorite streaming service right that they don't even know exists that like sounds like a cereal thing like it doesn't sound anyway yes it's

[01:47:55] on crackle the first web address to do a sequel to a movie and I think I think spade had wanted to do this for a while this was the movie of his that had sort of like goodwill you know he

[01:48:09] was like people come up to me ask me if I'll do another Joe dirt sony has the right to kick I mean I bend just been probably went up to him because sony had the rights and they didn't

[01:48:19] want to do it they didn't think it was valuable enough so then the crackle I kept mailing him dirt just like in the mail over the years I think the crackle play became we have this streaming

[01:48:31] service it hasn't broken through we're trying to produce more original content this is the time when they're doing like that fucking startup TV show and shit they're like we could make this for

[01:48:40] $10 and put it on there and it's at least a name thing that might drive people to crackle you asked if there were other crackle originals I believe there are two other crackle original

[01:48:50] movies both of which were written directed by Fred Wolf Fred Wolf became like the the the in-house crackle at crackle before chicken soup for the soul bought them out the crackle man yeah you're talking about mad families which seems to be a a Charlie sheen comedy

[01:49:13] correct that David Spade was involved with I'm seeing I'm trying to see what the other maybe drunk parents wasn't for crackle maybe that was drunk parents was not for crackle okay drunk parents was uh that was just for the good folks at vertical entertainment and direct TV cinema

[01:49:33] yes um of course but uh Joe dirt uh to uh American loser beautiful beautiful beautiful loser I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I am it's okay ashamed um it's just interesting to think about

[01:49:53] that that was like this depressing bragging point of like we're the first web sequel to a movie and it was like oh that's really low rent it's not even direct to video and now like the week

[01:50:02] we're recording this it just leaked out that they're gonna do a fucking wedding crashers too for HBO max with the whole cast with Rachel McAdams Academy Award nominee returning commissioner

[01:50:14] Evan Sussard van the brand like and that's not seen as a step down in any way Disney plus is doing fucking major sequels everything's changed the thing is right wedding crashers too is probably

[01:50:25] going to have like an 80 million dollar budget by hb and that whereas Joe dirt too I think had a you know whatever uh a candy candy wrapper budget they just everything was candy wrappers I'm guessing

[01:50:37] it was a budget of like under one million dollars this thing looks worse than most web series I have been part of or seen it truly feels like a movie where they only got one take of everything

[01:50:52] uh every single moment of it from the positioning of the camera to the performances feels like a one take there are like eight name actors with billing in the opening credits and

[01:51:05] everyone else with a speaking role in this movie feels like they won a contest or fred wolf owed them a favor like their main motivation as actor is don't look into the lens and a lot of them

[01:51:17] failed to clear that threshold the plot of the film in short is Joe dirt is married to brandy he has the mullet wig again I should mention actually the this movie has a nesting doll structure

[01:51:32] where the opening is Dennis Miller talking to two guys outside a garage I'm sorry Dennis Miller's back okay that's back wow it's with Dennis Miller and Christopher walk in Christopher walk in

[01:51:47] return he really will do anything yeah um so I'm seeing a warburton uh he called in some favors from some of his other pal the big new character Brittany Daniels in it Adam Beech is in it for

[01:52:01] a moment for a moment yeah other than that I don't think there are any other returning characters kid rock did not return he is replaced with mark McGrath from sugar ray playing clearly the same character that they just changed the name of and said this guy's even worse

[01:52:19] in voiceover once they knew they couldn't get kid rock back Dennis Miller's not hosting a radio show he is outside a garage talking to two guys they're swapping Joe dirt stories he goes Joe dirt I actually know that guy they go no way he

[01:52:34] goes yeah I used to have a radio show I interviewed Joe dirt how else would they know who Joe dirt was if not for the story of that radio program but they're like really he's like yeah I got a

[01:52:44] another Joe dirt story I can tell you then it flashes back to Joe dirt sitting on a park bench forest gump style a bus pulls up and he sits and talks to the lady next to him and tells him his

[01:52:55] story just flat out force gump parody now that goes into the third level which is Joe dirt telling his own story the basic this movie is it's dodge it but yes it's so annoying yeah the basic

[01:53:11] rest of the movie is Joe dirt's married to brandy they live in a trailer they have triplets there's an extended birthing sequence in which everyone in the hospital comes to take a look at brandy's vagina while she's in later that's maybe comedically the high water mark of the

[01:53:27] entire film and I don't mean that as a compliment then he's got the triplets mark McGrath lives next to him at the trailer park is always threatening to steal his wife he's depressed

[01:53:37] because he's poor his daughters find out that he's a loser and that everyone else thinks that he's lame because they come to see him work where he's a lumberjack because seemingly his fame from the

[01:53:48] first movie has completely evaporated and he's so embarrassed that his daughters don't think he's cool anymore then he gets caught up in a storm and like wizard of Oz style he's caught up

[01:54:00] in a hurricane he lands in his trailer on top of a guy who's crushed underneath it wicked witch of the west style and they go like that was the meanest toughest biker you saved us you should

[01:54:13] take his magic boots so he puts on this biker's magic boots and then realizes from this biker gang run by Patrick warburton that he is time traveled back to 1965 the year of his inception this sounds like you're you're describing a hallucination yep and then the movie is

[01:54:35] joe dirt has to live through 1965 to 2001 trying to catch up with the events of the first movie and along the way fucks with the timeline and creates most of joe dirt so he also why did they

[01:54:49] do this what why is that the angle why why did they do this he forms Leonard Skinner he creates the mullet there's a long sequence with walk in that's largely deprived of jokes where he

[01:55:02] crosses over with him when he's a mobster it's got 10 times more gay panic jokes 10 times more homophobic slurs a lot more trans panic shit it sucks ass it eats piss it's fucking garbage it looks bad it isn't funny Patrick warburton plays two characters i couldn't track whether

[01:55:26] they're meant to be the same because at one point it's revealed that the biker gang is actually just in his mind but then he reappears as a guardian angel in a suit who's trying to teach joe dirt

[01:55:37] lessons but mostly makes gay jokes at him and also a figment of his imagination you gotta stop you gotta stop i hate this just i'll be sure to just done a sequel where joe dirt is being

[01:55:48] joe dirt and it's the modern times and he's like oh man these millennials and like that would have been fine you know what i mean maron just get and have him go and fucking wtf wait a second joe dirt locks

[01:56:01] the gates would be way better i mean they should just do that as an episode you have to make that a movie um the big set piece of this movie is that uh joe dirt gets like his nuts kicked into

[01:56:13] his body and then he goes to a doctor who uses tongues to pull them out but he pulls them out too far and then he's got like long droopy balls where everyone can see them because they're like coming

[01:56:25] out of his pants and his hospital gowns hitting the floor he goes to take a shit on an airplane and his balls get stuck in the plane toilet and then there's a scene that is like beat for beat

[01:56:38] the same as the zipper scene from something about mary where increasingly more and more people come in to see what's wrong and then scream um anyway the movie ends with joe dirt remembering that when he

[01:56:51] went back to 1965 he bought a bunch of comic books for ten cents buried them under a tree he digs them up and then he becomes a millionaire um that sounds awful i think we should pause

[01:57:05] for you to apologize just describing that movie yeah i am so so sorry it is terrible uh i will say i cannot think of the last time i watched a movie where every single minute of it i was fighting

[01:57:22] against the impulse to just turn it off and take a nap instead like just every moment i was just thinking like i i wish i was sleeping instead of this um i will i will say this this is the

[01:57:32] the greatest compliment i can give uh joe dirt to uh beautiful loser uh a crackle original i got like eight emails done that i had been putting off for weeks if not months while watching this movie

[01:57:46] because once i realized there was still an hour left because this movie is one hour and 50 minutes long it's 20 minutes longer than the first joe dirt i was just like okay i'm not quitting at

[01:57:58] this point but i'm so desperate to not be giving this movie my full attention and let me send a bunch of emails that i've been viewing as a nuisance up until this point good good i'm glad it inspired

[01:58:09] that at least that's great good job joe dirt to american garbage movie i hate beauty or whatever i do want to say this i think that we should do like we should make the trope of sequels right

[01:58:22] electric boogaloo i think that now we should also add a crackle original a crackle yes yes right right yeah exactly i will say beautiful loser is also a funny subtitle yeah it is but but i don't

[01:58:38] get whatever look whatever i enough let's wash that out of our mouths joe dirt is pretty fun yeah and it's got some it's got just a nice energy yeah and i was kind of taken with it to my

[01:58:52] mild surprise ends with a fucking cheap trick song as joe dirt rides off in a hammy with his newfound family they shoot fireworks into the sky what a triumph the box office griffin so i remember this one pretty goodly not just because we covered it before but because

[01:59:14] everyone thought joe's he was going to be a big hit and it bombed really hard and opened lower than all the other new releases this was one of them and the other one i remember kingdom come

[01:59:25] it opened lower than kingdom come not a bad movie uh and it also opened lower so joe dirt opened number four with eight million dollars and ends up grossing twenty seven um but uh

[01:59:40] it also opened but we'll get to number three there's another new entry but number one griffin hold over great movie charming kids adventure the spy kids right it's spy kids baby yeah which i love i recently rewatched yeah i did a big antonio bandaris article at the

[02:00:02] a land of a couple years ago and i rewatched that one and i threw it on and i realized like oh yeah he's barely in it after like the first ten minutes but uh even that he's great he's good yeah

[02:00:12] number two look uh it's a detective movie uh it's a sequel it's all on camis spider i told you i remember this weekend yeah you remember it vividly yes and then number three new this week a comedy okay from

[02:00:27] across the pond oh bridget jones bridget jones' diary right so it opened lower than bridget jones joe dirt uh kingdom com and the holdovers and holdovers including number five which is a biopic

[02:00:45] r-rated biopic um with a big star um what else to say about this two thousand it's about drugs i don't know how it also say except that it's about drugs blow it's blow yeah um

[02:01:04] what what number is josey josey is seven wow open number seven really brutal four million four and a half wow like people thought it was it was a blocked out it beat the second weekend of

[02:01:16] pokemon three the movie jesus it did it managed it managed to elbow by that that that was its accomplishment but joe dirt i feel like you know it cost 15 it made 30 you know like it did not

[02:01:31] like sandler level business but it did enough business that everyone was probably like great and then it you know it'll play on cable forever the these all of these movies from this era just

[02:01:41] became so profitable between cable and dvds like this is also the era of dvd sales just being fucking humongous and movies like this suddenly became so profitable it's uh it's one of the reasons comedies have died theatrically is that when the dvd market fell out it was not

[02:02:01] replaced with the same numbers in streaming um you know i'm looking at spades career this is his high point as david spade right which we agree and obviously like with farley that's a little different right because dickie roberts is like an outright bomb i would argue yeah

[02:02:23] dickie roberts being one of the lowest grossing number one movies if that's yeah but that's the thing griffin it was number one it was six million dollars number one uh yeah you know dickie roberts made 22 black sheep made 32 tommy boy made 32 you know he really just

[02:02:42] that's where he landed that was his zone sort of the low 30s and then along cable career and now we've discussed david spade's career we really gotten into it we dug dirt we we sure did um

[02:02:56] ben do you want to take us out yeah boy all right um uh thank you to uh joe bowen and pat reynolds for doing the artwork correct yeah um thank you to lane mcgummery and the new great

[02:03:17] american novel great american novel for music uh thank you to alex barron and aj mckian for editing editing thank you to jj birch birch and nick loriano nick loriano thank you i'm sorry

[02:03:42] those are new you know i know you're doing all right we're all rooting for you ben i don't know well hey i'm like a joe dirt in a sense um and uh thank you to marie barty for doing our social media

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[02:04:36] fucking hbo max or in theaters now i guess yes uh and then we're gonna do old and night shamolans old and then we will of course return to david spade with hotel transylvania four

[02:04:50] time to check in and then of course john carpenter will finally begin to spool up your march mandus winner yes but we got we got a we got a block of one offs baby and guys

[02:05:04] yeah we got a little dirty yeah we got a little dirty whatever guys thanks for letting me do this it's always a delight uh what's next talking what's next what's the next ben's choice that's

[02:05:17] the only question do you have one off the top of your head or do you want to save it like is the if we ask you point blank is there a title that comes to mind right now hmm what is on my like list well fuck

[02:05:45] all right ben i gotta go so yeah because i have a list all right here okay the list so um tank girl i think it might have to be tank girl next sure tank girl's a good one tank girl's

[02:06:03] a good one as long as that director isn't you know no smoking for or we do my dad oh the long promise robert hawsley episode papa where's papa culture is only less and less ready

[02:06:23] for a where's papa episode i won't say but uh maybe maybe okay maybe we'll consider we'll consider take us out or the simpsons movie i mean it's an interesting consideration interesting there's a

[02:06:39] lot there's a lot to talk about yeah okay but that we'll leave it at that we'll leave it at that but we're gonna leave you because that's the it's the end of the episode and then i just have to

[02:06:51] do that whole thing that you do which is as always uh don't put your no i shouldn't say that as always and as always um you should make your movie posters and the character hold them off