Joker: Hallie À Goodrich

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_07]: For once in my pod, I have some cast who needs me. Some cast I've needed so long. Am I singing too well?

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just about to comment on how you were singing just like Joaquin.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: For once I'm afraid I can go where pod leads me.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Has he sung Walk the Line?

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Oscar nominated.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Oscar nominated.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was imitative, right? That was him doing an imitation and he had so much bravado

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that even though it wasn't an amazing imitation and his voice wasn't amazing, it was just kind of like, wow, look at him just throwing himself at this.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get right into it.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He also becomes a rapper in this movie. He sure does.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, in the movie...

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not there.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still here.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I always get the two fucking titles flipped.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But is that the only time he's sung?

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I think so.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And in the song, I'm still here, he does sing his own hook.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I think so.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And he sings it in a way, the titular track from, of course, the acclaimed film that resulted in many lawsuits, I'm still here.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_06]: The way he sings the hook in that is very similar to the way he sings in Joker.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I think Walk the Line is a combination of many months, if not longer, of coaching, going for a very specific imitative voice.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he's the guy where, obviously, Joaquin is somewhat obsessive if he focuses in on a specific task.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And wants to do it.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think there was a fair amount of mixing.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they do it.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_06]: He's going to Cash tracks, side by side to his tracks.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think he did those songs well.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_06]: They changed the pitch entirely.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_06]: He figured out how to make it work for him.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I haven't seen Walk the Line in many years.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember thinking that, again, I was more just like, he's making an effort and I appreciate that.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But he doesn't sound like Johnny Cash, my favorite singer of all time.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He has like the most incredible voice that nobody could do.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_06]: But he pulled off something evocative enough.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_06]: He had attitude.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And the attitude and it worked.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It worked.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It worked.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Fine.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't work in this one.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but I didn't leave this movie being like, Joaquin's singing voice, what a bummer.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that'd be like not in my top 50 complaints.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the least of my problems.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's do a quick speed round.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: What's your least favorite thing about this movie?

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What's my least favorite thing about that is a, I can't speed.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That is so hard.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: David, what's your Rose and what's your thorn?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to Joker, Bud and Thorn.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Bud and Thorn.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And Rose, Bud and Thorn.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: My least favorite thing about this movie is how it.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Wastes Lady Gaga.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Wastes Lady Gaga.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that probably has to be number one.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the biggest sin you can possibly commit.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You get this lady for one movie every 18 months, two years.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: She has made three movies in total.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Am I wrong?

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She's also in like Machete Kills or something, but we don't count that.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: If we're not counting the two Robert Rodriguez movies, this is her third movie.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the second one?

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Gucci!

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: She's briefly in Sin City 2.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, no, she's made three movie star movies.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Since 2018.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So six years, she's made three movies.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get her every two years.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is, this is what we did with her?

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You put her in a musical.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Do they let her let loose really?

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: No, they do not.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Do they let, do they let her shake the cup of ice directly on mic as it were?

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Is that a good way to describe it?

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Let loose?

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Go full Joker mode?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry, I'm drinking.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: David got a McDonald's before we started our report today.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Ben, do you have a least favorite?

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Is yours the same answer?

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say I don't really like the jail stuff, which is-

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's very minimal in the film.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be tough to overcome.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I had issues with what I was saying.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The jail stuff and the courtroom stuff.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely didn't like either of those elements.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those were bad.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just not a fan.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I was, I was not into the part where it's a Joker movie.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like the part-

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the other stuff.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like any live action sequence in this movie.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the cartoon was okay.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, can we all agree the cartoon kind of rules?

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, no.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I got so fricking mad when they started playing the cartoon.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Why?

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Because all I could think about was this is the same studio-

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That put-

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Well.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Wile E. Coyote vs. Acme, or whatever that fucking movie is called, in the garbage.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_06]: That it has the gall to open with a Looney Tunes homage.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: With a Looney Tunes homage.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Look.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And look, talk about things full circle, full connective tissue between the two seemingly disparate movies we're talking about.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_06]: There were two Looney Tunes movies that Warner Brothers deemed unreleasable.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Coyote vs. Acme remains in weird limbo.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: The other one, I think, is called The Day the Earth Stood.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not called The Day the Earth Stood Stupid, but it's a porky pig, daffy duck, feature length, 2D animated sci-fi comedy.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_06]: The Day the Earth Stood Stupid is a Futurama episode.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Great title.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That film.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Can you look up what this thing is actually called?

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to find it.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, The Day the Earth Glew Up.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_06]: It's set for release by a little upstart distributor called Ketchup Entertainment.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy!

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: That's me squirting a ketchup bottle.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Which brings us-

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They should do that as their logo.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Brings us to the second movie that we're covering in this episode.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: First, let's introduce the podcast.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_06]: What is this?

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Who are we?

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Where are we?

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Who are you?

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the show?

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_06]: This is Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm Griffin.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm unfortunately David.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Ben.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm the Joker.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: A.K.A. Marie Barty.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Marie Barty.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Producer Ben, Ben Dooser, Purdue, yada, yada, yada.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_06]: This is usually a podcast about filmography.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_06]: It still is.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Podcasts about filmography is directors who have mastered success early on in their career

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_06]: and are given a series of blank checks, make whatever crazy passion products they want.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce, baby.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is what?

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Episode 499.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Nope.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Episode 501.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Nope.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Wait a second.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me just check.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm seeing here.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's 500.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_06]: The episode everyone has asked us not to do is in fact commemorating a massive milestone.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, if we've just not done this, episode 500 would have been Lost Highway, which is next

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: week with David Lowry, which in my memory was a really fun, good episode.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure it's great.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like years ago.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And instead, this is going to be us just bashing our head against the wall.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_06]: At one point it was going to be Fire Walk with me, which I think also was in terms of

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: substance, a great episode was a bit of a complicated.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It turned out good.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It all turned out good.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_06]: But there was a little bit of a crisis.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_06]: There was rejiggering response to the Joker, the release of good all this stuff.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_06]: We were like, let's just fucking pull everything together for a Wonka Man style new release,

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_06]: check in, grab bag episode.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_06]: This isn't going to be some big fucking back patty milestone 500 look back episode.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But it also felt like we wanted to record something that felt a little outside of the miniseries.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_06]: What?

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_06]: That's all nonsense.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It just happened this way by mistake.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That's not true.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: There was some fucking there was rejiggering.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There was intentionality.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There was intentionality when we realized this could be the 500th episode versus an episode

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: where we were like shouting into a laptop to our poor friend in New Orleans who was not

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: being recorded.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a part of me that was essentially what that was correct.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Was first Joker episode 250.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And I checked and it was close.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: What was it?

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like 240 something.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you introduce the podcast?

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Blank check Griffin and David.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Here we are.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Now we usually do miniseries on directors who fit the model of what we talk about.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But early on in our show, we were kind of half committed to covering the DC universe.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Sort of by mistake.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Jumping on and off the pond.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But we stopped to be clear.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_06]: We stopped.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And when we did Nancy Meyers, who was our first March Madness winner six years ago,

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_06]: we ended that series with home again as a bonus episode.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we used to do in the pre-patrion film directed by her daughter,

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Hallie Meyer tire that that she was involved with.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she was on set.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Her and Charles Shire are very both very involved.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And God episode 250 was the rise of Skywalker.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, another joke.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But Joker's like 241 to 39.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Close.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: But the fucking rise of Skywalker.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Jesus.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: But it is wild that, yeah, Joker five years ago, it's almost the exact halfway point

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: of the show.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: That we're now revisiting.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 500.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to find this.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't want to do a Joker two episode.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying we're bringing this out here early.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is blank check.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're doing a Joker.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to own this because I felt like this was my fault.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not true.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: This is my fault.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It's Griffin Newman's fault.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm wearing this.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Flavor Flav wears a clock.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a callback to Aloha movie.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_06]: We also have covered in the history of this podcast.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: It could be quote a lot of blank check history.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: This is fun.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So I have not seen Joker one.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Still to this day.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Still to this day.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to watch it when it came out and I made it maybe 30 minutes in before I turned

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: it off because I just was like, why am I wasting my time?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Granted, it was during the height of the pandemic where I tried to watch it.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like I had many other things to do.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was also doing a rock of love rewatch on Tubi, which kind of felt like, I don't know, a better use of my energy.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I was absolutely not interested in this exercise.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But until Lady Gaga was announced as Harlequin.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And oh, my God, they're making a musical.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like, you guys, this is amazing.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We have to do what we have to do.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_06]: So let's be very clear.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_06]: This is my fault.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_06]: David wanted to do Aquaman.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Aquaman, you had the genius.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what it is.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_06]: No, we can let it get the devil.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_06]: We made a deal with the devil.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_06]: You wanted to do Aquaman.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, fucking we're done with the DC thing.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_06]: We haven't been covering them for years.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And you were like, but we love James Wan.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, leave the possibility of James Wan series later.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Marie says, let's combine Aquaman and Wonka.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Wonka man.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Aquaman.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's fucking catchy.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a hit.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_06]: It felt like it was a hit.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a big fat tittied hit.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't say it.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_06]: You can.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was and it is an episode that people have come back and said to me, like, that

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_06]: episode is just fun.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Much like our first Aquaman episode.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is what I thought was going to happen.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone being silly.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a year and catch up.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And also because we record so far in advance and we have been recording even further in

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: advance than usual because of you being a twin dad.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Time back to good rich, which we'll talk about in a second.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, that we were like, is there an opportunity to combine two things here?

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, first I'm like, David, if we're doing Aquaman episode, you have to agree to do Joker.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: This became your price.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to be clear.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I said, no, you said no.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I said that's too high a price and I won't pay it.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is my fault.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Marie did endorse it.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the Marie endorsement did help win.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I also did kind of endorse it too.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, take some.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: My take was thought it was going to be a cultural moment.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone thought it was going to be cool.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Gaga's in it.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Gaga's in it.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_06]: It's definitely not cool.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_06]: But I want to defend myself by saying it is undeniably a cultural moment.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It is also a major moment for the purpose of this podcast.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is almost one year ago.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I finally found it.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to search deep in my text message history.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_06]: We played the show very far in advance.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I also, I play, I play, I had a phase where I was playing a lot of the video game Bellatro,

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: which, uh, where, where jokers are very important to your strategy.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like hard to find.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a lot of like me and my friends being like, so what was, what were your,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what was your joker lineup for that hand?

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Joker's like the card?

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Bellatro.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a card.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably like it.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it doesn't matter.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there's lots of jokers in it and you can use different jokers to get different bonuses

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff like that.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Cesar Romero?

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's definitely sure.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to find, I'm going to find, cause like last year we also had this problem

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: of like, we didn't really know what to do for the sort of Christmas episode.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, cause we had a mini series that was, because there was like a spot on the schedule.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a question of like, do we go dark for two weeks?

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: The point is this has been one year.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's Griffin.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't yes.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: October 23rd, 2023.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say it.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Griffin.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm quoting.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If this settles the issue, if we're going to do Aquaman 2, I do think we should also

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: do Folly Adieu next year.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I say, so you don't want Aquaman to be our goodbye to DC.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And you say, I think Joker is his own thing now.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no interest in waiting into future DC.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Your contention was, Aquaman we should do to say goodbye to DC because James Gunn's taking

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: over and this is the end of an era.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the end of this silly DCEU.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and it truly was where Aquaman 2 came out and even like Jason Momoa was just doing

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: interviews where he's like, I hope I get cast in the new DC universe as something.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I look forward to playing Lobo fingers crossed.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like, hey, you're going to do a sequel to Aquaman?

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, uh, yeah, sure.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me know if this suddenly jump starts that.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: To basically do press for your billion dollar blockbuster sequel, wearing a barrel with straps

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_06]: on it and a sign that says looking for work.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I've reshot this movie eight times.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember who plays Batman in it.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't fucking know.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, no one plays Batman in it?

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they just got rid of that?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Fine.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that this is my bargain.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm quoting you again.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my bargaining.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I will agree to Aquaman 2 if we put Folly Adieu on the schedule.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Marie says, let's let David have his Aquaman special.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't even know if the Gaga Joker is actually a musical.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is how long ago it is.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, first, I said, like, if we don't do Aquaman, what do we do?

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm like, I'm already shaking.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I say my biggest fear with Joker is that we hated the last movie so much

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that we banned mention of the word Joker on our podcast, which is true.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: To which I said, time to un-retire it.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker's back in the vernacular.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So we argued about this, but we did eventually give in and because I wanted to do Aquaman.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And we all and even I were a little bit like, I don't know, Lady Gaga.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Phillips, obviously, certainly a blank check.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The trailer, the first teaser that they put out.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That came way later, but the first teaser certainly looked kind of...

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_07]: It looked kind of interesting.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Splashy.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, my contention this whole time has been, I think there's a chance it's cool.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Even for us, a group of known Joker 1 haters.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a fan of Todd Phillips' film Joker, which made $1 billion at the box office, won

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival, and was nominated for Best Picture.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And Joaquin Phoenix won an Academy Award for Best Actor.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Insane.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: In a storied career, a career I sometimes ding, but Joaquin Phoenix has given a lot of good

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: screen performances and his Oscar is for Joker.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But let's...

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate you outlining all that very quickly because I feel like this movie is undeniably

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_06]: a cultural moment.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: It is being treated like a grotesque crime scene.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_06]: How did this happen?

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's all the things you just listed.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It drives me crazy that people are like, how did they give him all this money to make

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: this?

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, look at what Joker wants.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It made a billion dollars.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It made $1 billion on a $50 million budget.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a movie about a mentally ill guy who kills someone live on television that's basically

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: a remake of two different Scorsese movies, but worse.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure, mashed together.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And it made a billion dollars.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: A billion dollars.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The only movie I can compare to the rap sheet you just listed is Oppenheimer.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Where you're like, here's like a movie that does not seem like an obvious commercial play

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_06]: that made a billion dollars in theater, won Oscars.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Oppenheimer didn't do the festival circuit, which is this whole other added level of like,

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: we need to repeat.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker won the gold lion handed by Lucretia Martel.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: From acclaimed Argentinian filmmaker, Lucretia Martel, chair of the jury that year, handed

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it to Joker in, I'll never forget.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I was sitting at the Scotiabank Theater waiting to see Pain and Glory, a wonderful 2019 film

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that does deal with mental illness, among other things.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I looked at my phone and I said out loud, someone was just walking by me who I didn't

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: know.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, Joker won the golden lion.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And they went, what?

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that is like a near unprecedented level of cachet, especially for something that could

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_06]: then very quickly be turned into, quote, a franchise movie.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember when you said they're doing Joker 2.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember if it happened on mic.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I definitely remember it happening in a studio, maybe right before or after a recording.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And I said, how could they do that?

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_06]: How did they possibly make a sequel to that movie?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And your answer was it made a billion dollars.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like you just have to.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Part of this movie being a cultural moment is I think this might actually semi permanently

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_06]: change a certain vein of Hollywood thinking of maybe a movie making a billion dollars isn't

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: an automatic.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_06]: We have to make a sequel.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And not just we have to make a sequel, but we have to make a sequel at any price.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: With no sort of like fettering.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I hate the industry hand wringing over like budgets.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And profits and losses and all the shit that's happening right now that the tisk tisking of

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: like Warner Brothers, these fools giving the movie was a huge hit.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It was beyond that.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a cultural sensation.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You're going you should make a sequel.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I, I don't think there's anything wrong with that business decision.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, well, do you maybe want to just like check the script?

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of just bat around a few ideas.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's beyond that.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's like you want to make a sequel if they can come up with something good.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas I think that's always true.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Their attitude was like, we don't care, guys.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Do whatever the fuck you want.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: There was kind of an alien three.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_06]: We can put anything in theaters that's called Joker 2 and it will make.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's literally it's that it's literally Joaquin Phoenix, Phoenix pissing on a wall for

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: two hours and 20 minutes.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Because I think their assumption was worst case scenario.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_06]: If this movie has a major drop off from the first.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So it makes 500 million to like worldwide.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I but also on paper, I think this works.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Because.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, it's like we're going to do Chicago, the courtroom musical.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: No, all that.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Joker.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: New York, New York.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: With musical.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This is where you've lost me.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you wouldn't.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think that sounds good.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's that's because that's and that's that's was that is God.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so angry.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so if you tell me this episode's also about Goodrich, but go on.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about Hallie Meyer Shires movie Goodrich, too, but we'll do that in the

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: movie.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_06]: We greatly preferred.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We love we love certainly.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But we'll do that in the back half because this episode is called Joker Hallie Goodrich

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_06]: or Joker Rich podcast.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_06]: A duh.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you tell me we're going to do Joker 2, we've cast Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn and it's

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be a musical.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that sounds great.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: If you then told me.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm Zaslav or whoever.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hey, by the way, dude, fuck you.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I look like I just hunted an elephant.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Eat my piss asshole.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm Zaslav.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So right.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm cutting right now.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm cutting through the film strips of like Batgirl.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, what is it?

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And Todd Phillips is like, OK, here we go, buddy.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember, Joe?

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine personally by hand.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie is running a nail gun through the hard drive.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it's me, Todd Phillips.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Todd, how you doing?

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember my movie Joker made a billion dollars?

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. OK, well, Joaquin wants to come back and Lady Gaga wants to play Harley Quinn and it'll be

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a sequel.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds great.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be musical.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be musical.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Lady Gaga.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, it's going to be musical like a jukebox musical.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be fun.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, what's it about?

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be like a courtroom drama where we just sort of go over the events of Joker

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: one.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, does anything else happen?

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That's our whole plan.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's literally relitigating the plot of Joker one.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Slow and making you feel like an asshole for any opinion you had on the first movie.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It is a movie that is equally contemptuous of any possible reading on the first.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Leaving attitude aside, I literally just mean what's the story pitch?

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We he's on trial for Joker one.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Then what happens?

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, nothing.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all that happens.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just goes on trial for shooting Robert De Niro.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's incredibly telling to me, by the way, a crime of which he is unambiguously

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: guilty because it happened on television.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just a litigation of is he crazy or is he saying I ask?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask a question?

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I can ask anything.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very crazy.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't the whole thing about Joker and Batman villains that they do bad stuff and they

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: get away with it?

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Joker doesn't get away.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: People don't like that.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He does that.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But he but all I'm saying is like it's like, why does he need to be punished?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll tell you why to go because like because Gotham just dig into this.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_06]: But because Todd Phillips main driving force and making this movie is to say this guy isn't

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_06]: the Joker.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: None of this matters.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He is not the Joker of of comic book legend.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He is merely a man.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Then why do we care?

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe inspired.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_06]: That is why this movie is inspiring a level of ire that I truly cannot recall the last time

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_06]: because even like Megalopolis comes out two weeks before this and people are like I'm

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_06]: flummoxed.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_06]: We've covered different movies that are hated before.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but no, this is is I mean the obviously the best analogy is the Seinfeld finale

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: which lots and lots of people have made that comparison.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But the Seinfeld finale, you know what the Seinfeld finale which I don't really like.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I sure I assume there's contrary and kind of takes on it now, but I'm still not

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: a fan because it's boring.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think like my whole beef with it is like it's again.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like this is just a clip show like this is dull.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_06]: You and I agree with that.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I like the meat of the Seinfeld finale.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind the sort of thrust of it, but I all actual aspect of it sucks.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a boring thing to watch.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I do think at least in Seinfeld Larry David is like look, I just want you to

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: understand these people are kind of a nightmare and like yes, most viewers probably we knew

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that Larry, but whatever.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Hangover part three does as well.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Go on.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What I don't think that's what this movie is doing.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this movie doesn't really have anything to say.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I was texting with a friend of ours trying not to blow my takes on Mike or pre Mike and

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I said this movie is the equivalent of like a teenage boy arguing with his parents and

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_06]: slamming his head against the wall as if that settles the art.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree with you.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, no, that was just a dramatic thing to do.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And in the process, you gave yourself a headache.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the movie is basically like you don't get it.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Joker is mentally ill.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I got that.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We got it.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the first movie.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about it in our episode on the first movie that I was like, I think a lot

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: of people were saying like, so this guy we're supposed to extrapolate goes on to become

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_06]: the Joker is able to become like the clown prince of crime.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And you cited an interview Todd Phillips had done where he said something to the effect

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_06]: of my my head canon is almost like this is not really the Joker, but perhaps there is

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_06]: a child watching the TV who sees the Robert De Niro shooting and that inspires him to become

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_06]: the Joker.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like the urtext, which I at the time said, then what's the fucking point of this movie?

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_06]: He has made an entire second film just underlining that point.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, that's crazy.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that he talked about that before.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He said it.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he talked about it plenty.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what's wild about this.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_06]: So when the ending happened, I was like, OK, so he really just wants to underline you

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: guys read my movie wrong.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I but like how did we read his movie?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my question with this movie.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what do you think we didn't get the first time?

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But like he's equally contemptuous of Catherine Keener and the Joker acolytes and the prison

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_06]: guards and everybody like the people who love him, the people who try to empathize with

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: him, the people who idolize him, the people who hate him.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Like the movie is just constantly like everyone's read on this guy is wrong.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_06]: This guy is just kind of meaningless.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't fucking matter.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_06]: The courtroom thing you saying how like if he goes in pitches that and yours as lav and

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_06]: you put the sisters down for a second and hear that you go, let's pivot.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's not forget that it's like a budget 200 million dollars and says I was like for

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: what?

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, Catherine Keener is the third lead of this movie.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She is fourth build behind Gleeson's third build.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But I would call Keener.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say she has a little more of an arc.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: She is not in any of the marketing.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I was astonished to hear that she was in it, let alone in this big of a part, which

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: made me realize, oh, yeah, they basically have kept the courtroom shit entirely out of

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_06]: the marketing.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They basically just made the marketing that, you know, Joker and Gaga dancing around.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask?

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I realize I'm always like, can I ask a question?

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You can just ask a question.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a tick.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You can make a statement.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a tick I need to work on.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Women have to just be loud and, you know,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I know nothing about annoying podcast ticks.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I couldn't relate to this.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We talk a lot about movie popcorn buckets.

[00:25:36] Did you know that?

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_06]: David and I both.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_06]: This roll out for a fucking popcorn bucket question.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Marie, I'm glad you asked for permission.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So deeply.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Question number one is, is there a rule where we're not allowed to make popcorn buckets

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: for R-rated movies?

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_06]: No, there's a Terrifier three bucket.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a Terrifier three bucket?

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_06]: You can eat an Arthur clown's head with a Santa Claus hat on top of it.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So, but were there no Joker two buckets?

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Correct.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That should have been the first sign that there was a problem.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That something was wrong.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'll.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a dangerous question you asked, Marie.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to say this very quickly.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_06]: There was no merchandising for the first Joker,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_06]: not even like high end adult collectible shit, which people assumed they would do.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was apparently a Todd Phillips decree.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_06]: In terms of the framing of this is a serious movie and not a franchise movie.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Because all of his stuff with this.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I'm making the jerk off motion.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Now next to them.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And then like a couple years later, they allowed like $10,000 statues and buss and things

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_06]: that are like absurd.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's been this real like even beyond like the fucking Matt Reeves Batman, which

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_06]: is not child friendly and was merchandised to death in every corner.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_06]: It does feel like he has exerted some control of like popcorn buckets frames this as a thing.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I would not be surprised if he kiboshed it personally.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's stupid because in the year of our Lord 2024, if a Denis Villeneuve movie has a popcorn bucket.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this speaks to the weird fucking Joker movie can have a popcorn.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but it can't.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the thing.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Todd Phillips is.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is what makes me so mad.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an insecurity to him.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Denis Villeneuve has the confidence to be like if they make a fucking popcorn bucket that looks like a flashlight that doesn't take anything away from my movie.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And Todd Phillips is like if there are like three hundred dollar Japanese dolls of Joaquin Phoenix that take something away from my movie, which speaks to his insecurity about I'm a comedy filmmaker making a prestige movie of a comic book character.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I need everyone to know that this is serious.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I need everyone to know that this is serious.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But to quote the Nick Pinkerton tweet from a million years ago, you know, the tweet the most intensely challenging, daunting role that any actor can play is that of the clown who fights Batman, which is like this this absurd thing of like I'm making a Joker movie.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm making a movie about the Joker character from comic books who's been in many movies.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that sounds fun.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it going to be like pulpy?

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of pulpy.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm doing this 70s riff thing like, oh, OK, cool, but it can't be taken as pulpy.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It must be taken as a serious drama.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It must be entered in the Venice Film Festival.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And what happens?

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He fucking wins.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So for this one, he's like premiere to Venice again, please.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Six weeks ahead of release.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone sees it and is like, wow, we're pile of shit on a plate like, you know, but his particular

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: attention has gotten the better of him.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, this is a movie that about Joker and Harley Quinn.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Harley Quinn's a cartoon character from the 90s.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: She's not even some like storied, historical, like, you know, Bill Finger created Harley.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like in the 90s, there was like, there should be a girl Joker.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but she talks like this.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, this is now another member of the American canon of art is fucking Harley Quinn.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Her name's Harley Quinn, like the word Harlequin.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And even like Margot Robbie had to make a statement on some red carpet while like promoting the, you know, on the Barbie Awards campaign.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_06]: That was like, look, I always intended Harley Quinn to be a role that could be reinterpreted by multiple actors.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't wait to see Gaga's take on the character.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Harley Quinn is already turning into the Nick Pickerton tweet about Joker.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's like, yeah, this is also like, this is like America's King Lear and fucking Lady Macbeth is like Joker and fucking Harley Quinn.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, that is multiple actresses playing Queen Elizabeth on the crown.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like this shit.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You have temporary ownership of this role.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not here to shit on like Bruce, Tim and Paul Dini for making Harley Quinn's successful comic book creation.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She's fine.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And her movie Birds of Prey.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I like a lot.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I find it to be massively flawed.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are boys.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are boys.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I am a boy and I'm a boy who has a crush on Ewan McGregor and on half the fucking women in that movie.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Which ones don't you have a crush on?

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: All of them, right?

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And the egg sandwich.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that movie is kind of narratively a bit of a mess.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Egg sandwich.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you don't like the egg sandwiches?

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Look.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my only hang up with that movie.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The weirdest thing is that the closest comp to this movie is Captain Marvel and the Marvels, right?

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's so funny to think about Joker, the esteemed prestige project that actually like did all this, you know, got all these awards and stuff, making a billion dollars.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's too late, you know, coming out like five years later and audiences aren't just disinterested.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, no.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes like one tenth of what the first movie made.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The exact same journey Captain Marvel had to the Marvels except no Oscars, no awards.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But Captain Marvel also was this phenomenon that made a billion dollars and people were like, I guess we kind of got to give it up.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_06]: But like you step back from the Captain Marvel Marvels thing.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, that is this weird, like five cultural things all colliding and moments on both movies for why the first one overperformed and why the second one underperformed so dramatically.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And in both cases, very little have to do with the actual the actual product on screen.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: But whereas Joker has to do with these two movies in a weird way and all these autopsies of like whose fault is this?

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Did Mike DeLuca need to like fucking tighten the leash?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Did Todd Phillips need to show self-discipline?

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, this movie got made because everyone rewarded them as much as they possibly could have for the first film.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They gave them a blank check.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: They gave them a fucking blank check.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is why we're covering it on the show.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, can I tell you my favorite theory about why this movie is bad?

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Bradley Cooper and Todd Phillips dissolved their producing partnership.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, why did they do that?

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we know?

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Bradley Cooper is a busy man.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Does Bradley Cooper not have a credit on this?

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He does not.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: They stopped working together in 2021.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, Todd Phillips produced A Star is Born, right?

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they go both ways.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Bradley Cooper produced War Dogs, I think.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And he produced Joker.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And he produced Joker.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know he produced Joker.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of his Oscar nominations.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: One of his 15 Oscar nominations.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So that tomorrow when he plays like-

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Todd doesn't get a credit on Maestro?

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I don't think so.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point they are right.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Spielberg and Scorsese get credits on Maestro.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Heard of him?

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I've heard him.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But all I'm saying is if, I think if Bradley was in the room, a lot of those musical sequences-

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Would have been different.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of the use of Gaga would have been different.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But I also do think fundamentally there had to be someone being like, you need a bigger

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: story structure here-

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Than just re-letigating Joker 1.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Something has to happen in this movie.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And Phillips is like, no, no, no.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is an anti-things happening movie.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a movie about like mushing the audience's face into like, you're all depraved for liking

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Joker, like you say, or disliking Joker, or for just making an icon of this sick man.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_06]: If you take him seriously, you are like a pretentious, condescending, cultural elitist.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_06]: If you valorize him, you're a psychopath.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fundamental thing you need to understand is he's just a sick man who dies like a sad

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: death.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's unimportant.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: At the hands of like, right, a rando who maybe he becomes the Joker.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about the Joker.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: We all became the Joker.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not funny.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not smart.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He comes really fast.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He can't hold his shit.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That was my.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So if we want to talk about like, how slow is he supposed to be?

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: If we want to talk about roses and thorns.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the man is not having a lot of sex.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: When the sex scene plays out in a two shot without a cut.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, this is going to end in 15 seconds.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I love when he goes, can you put it in?

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he just kind of awkwardly thrust.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: My husband came with me to see this movie because he said he didn't want me going alone.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good husband.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, why?

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're afraid of like Joker fans hurting me.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_06]: He was worried you were going to get Joker pilled.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, no, I just think it's like so embarrassing for you to go see this movie alone

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that I need to be your emotional support human.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But first thing he said was like, wow, it's crazy that Joaquin, his last two movies

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: were like him awkwardly thrusting in weird sex scenes.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Napoleon also and also has him like just humping the stuff and being awkward and

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: weird.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the more I thought about it, I was like, you know, he doesn't the master.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He fucks the sand lady on the beach.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a thing that he builds a sand lady just to fuck her poorly.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also weirdly think the Joker and Napoleon performances are kind of similar where he

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't seem that locked into either of them.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I like him in Napoleon a lot.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I like Napoleon, but I think that the movie isn't taking itself seriously in a lot of ways.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Which Joker 2 does feel like it's taking itself seriously.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, does it?

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: This is another fascinating cultural moment around this movie.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Is like starting around Napoleon, there starts to be this unpacking of the history of Joaquin

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Phoenix trying to quit projects.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And being like, I don't know what I'm doing.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I have no take on this.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_06]: You need to let me quit.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He is quietly notorious for within weeks of a film starting having a sort of freeze

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: up moment where he's like, I don't think I want to do it.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I know what I'm going to do.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't you know, I want out.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But sometimes directors have had him run and the movie panics and they have to cast someone.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What was the one recently that came to light?

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Samalan mentioned that he was supposed to be the star of the split.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think McAvoy was the one talking about it.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But you think that had been reported before?

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes total sense.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they'd worked together twice before.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, Phoenix is the guy you think of for that role.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, to play a mentally ill person?

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Joaquin?

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish he had done split because then he probably wouldn't have fucking done Joker.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He probably would have been like, eh, I already did that.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You're totally right.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Feige could have gotten him for Doctor Strange and the MCU could have imploded from

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: within.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_06]: He was this white widow for Feige that he and all these meetings would be like, I don't

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_06]: think our working styles are compatible.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was always some self-awareness from him.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_06]: He was like, this is not me like refusing to engage with the Marvel thing.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think this is going to work.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you want him to play Hulk.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Bruce Banner in the Ruffalo position for Avengers wanted him to play Doctor Strange.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Those are the two big ones where like they held off.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They rolled out the carpet.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, what can we do?

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And he was just like, I have this awareness.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_06]: What's come out in some of this like post autopsy on the Joker failure and his recent

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_06]: abandonment at the Todd Haynes film.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I won't say that, but yeah, that he at one point went to his reps and was like, everyone

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_06]: wants me to do a comic movie.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_06]: What if I could do like a villain movie?

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Is there a way to do this kind of thing?

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So that when Phillips had this Joker pitch, the threads unified.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I do agree with you that like Split is a better version of what he had an itch to do.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And if he had done that, he probably never would have won an Oscar.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, he probably would have won an Oscar for one of his better performances.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Also, McAvoy is incredible in Split.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing about McAvoy in Split is like it all worked out.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great performance.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And beyond the fact, if you're learning like McAvoy basically jumped aboard a couple weeks

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: before production, you're like, Jesus, what a heroic job.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: His body just looked like that.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess so.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_06]: He lost a little muscle in order to play the role.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_06]: But he walks off of this Todd Haynes movie.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Rude to another Todd.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_06]: He walks off of this Todd Haynes movie.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He's a chameleon.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to try his hand in every genre.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, my Trump is me one fourth committing to an impression of James Austin Johnson's impression,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_06]: who is the only good Trump impression that still exists.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But but yes, there's this huge fallout from this.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And there is a public, I think a widespread backlash of I'm reading people who are not

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: super engaged with movie culture online being like, why are they not suing this guy?

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_06]: This is unbelievable.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_06]: How do they allow him to act this way?

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Everyone else lost their jobs.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Like $10 million lost because of this.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_06]: It's crazy.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And the thing I kept seeing in comment threads was people being like, hey, guess what?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker's about to make a stupid amount of money.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_06]: He'll pay off whatever fucking penalty.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_06]: When Joker's a hit, everyone will forgive him.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: In Hollywood, they'll just ignore the bad behavior, which has always been like, hey,

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Joaquin hits just enough that even when he does his weird periods, his I'm still here,

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: when he comes back with a hit or a triumph, people are like, I guess, Joaquin, what are you going to do?

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_06]: This movie being such an atomic bomb right after the Todd Haynes thing.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And now this influx of stories of people being like, yeah, there were these other times on set where he was like, I do think everyone's backing off and being like, is it worth working with Joaquin?

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there might be a bit of a Joaquin break for a bit.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think also, I do think he's going to step back for a bit.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the fact that like Bo is Afraid, I think was greenlit at a high budget.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That was partly because it was Joaquin coming off of Joker.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously that movie, I think is really honestly brilliant, but didn't make much money.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Napoleon also, Joaquin playing Napoleon.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a selling point for that movie.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like we got fucking Joaquin Phoenix to do this.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The gladiator re-team.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's, yeah, I just think it's going to be a few years before that happens again.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he might enter another wilderness period.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's another question I have.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, he won't get far on foot.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the Joaquin movie people forget, man.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: David?

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: People forget that one.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot it.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that film in a theater.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 company points.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Woo!

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Woo!

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: He made a Gus, but he walked off a tad.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the last Gus Van Sant film.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: To this day.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That is his most recent film.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're forgetting that he directed-

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He directed the Swans Capote thing.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: FX's feud, colon Capote versus the Swans.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: David?

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_06]: You know what we like?

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh...

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[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: On this show?

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: On this show?

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we love the movies!

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We love the movies!

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: What?!

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And what do we love?

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: We love going to see the movies at the theaters.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That is very, very true.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: That's very true.

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[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The theater experience-

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot.

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[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And let's just say it.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: David, we're thrilled.

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[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little brag.

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[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've been really into baseball this year.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been like a sort of falling back in love for me thing.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I started last year when the pitch clock came in, but this year especially.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm reading these like old Roger Angel books from the 60s and 70s.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like a preeminent sort of poet laureate of baseball.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like wrote lots of books.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're reading him in the 60s, especially writing about like television essentially coming

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: to baseball.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the dawn of kind of like, ah, the game is sort of changing to accommodate

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: television.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really sad about this and that.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And you just think about like, man, those were the days.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There were just so few things for us to focus on.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That you could be upset that baseball was on television because you're like, ah, shouldn't

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: people just have to go to the ballpark?

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We now it's like Capote versus the Swan is a fucking television event.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, remember when Capote had a fight with some ladies in Manhattan, like high society?

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_06]: He was mean to the ladies who used to drink with in the press.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, it was serious.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make a movie about it.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's clear out the decks.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_06]: 10 episodes on this.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: 10 hours.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: People killed themselves.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay?

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I know it was a-

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a feud.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_06]: What a feud.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_06]: They don't use that title lightly.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_06]: It is, oh, wild.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, here, okay.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's another question on the Joaquin line.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_06]: That I was, I was field testing this morning.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Do we think they put Joker on the bench for a while?

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: They should.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, as James Gunn is preparing to now like do his new strike on the DC universe.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_06]: First of all, I would bet money that Barry Keoghan as the Joker does not return.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I would too.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is-

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That performance was a failure and it's not something that people remember or like about

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: that movie.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Can I imagine Matt Reeves and Barry Keoghan meeting in the middle of a dark alleyway,

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_06]: shaking hands and going, I think it's best for both of us.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's never speak of this.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_06]: We're on the exact same page.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about?

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: See, he's barely in it.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not in it really.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You've seen this movie two times.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe just one time.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember the Pattinson Batman movie.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The Pattinson Batman movie.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen this movie many times.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There's one sequence-

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Put it on in a comfort watching movie.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I can see it because it's got this slow mood.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The Riddler's in prison and he starts talking to someone else who's also an arc guy at the

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: end of the movie.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's right at the end of the movie.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're putting it on for comfort, you might not be making it to hour three.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And it is Academy Award nominee Barry Keoghan playing-

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I totally forgot about this.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one scene.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They filmed another scene that-

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They cut stuff.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That they put out.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And there was the description of the scene and people were like, that sounds good.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Why did they cut that out?

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And then they put it online and you're like, totally get why they cut it out.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He's also got really distracting makeup.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like kind of a more extreme version of the Heath Ledger.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Everything about it, it's like-

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_06]: The face is Heath Ledger cranked up.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_06]: The voice is Heath Ledger cranked up.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_06]: The affectation-

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not enough of a take because-

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_06]: There's no further takes to be had.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It's gnarlier.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I'm just saying like, it's like, there's no new Joker takes.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I go back to my take, which is eight years from now, after a long grace period,

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: right?

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Give it a full fucking Batman and Robin to Batman Begins.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I want like fucking Richard E. Grant wearing face paint with no scars, slicked back hair-

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: More of a debonair.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Classic Joker.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's- I want fucking emaciated, fancy, you know?

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Dandy Joker.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck Joker.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I want dandy-

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Classic Joker.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But the only place we have left to go is go all the way back to he is a theatrical cartoon character.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But also, if someone just wants to say to me like, you know what?

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There's been like a lot of Joker stuff and we're kind of just not going to do Joker.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much-

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just not going to talk about it.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Thrilled.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, yeah, sounds good.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say though that there- I do think there is room for interesting Joker interpretations still.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: As evidenced by the people's Joker.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think the people's Joker rules.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_06]: The people's Joker rules.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The people's Joker rules.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I did not watch Joker 1 to prep for Joker 2.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You watched people's Joker.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched people's Joker.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, people's Joker, I already was one of my favorite movies of the year.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's also about the conversation we're having, right?

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: About like, what's the pop culture place of this character?

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_06]: You have not seen it yet, right?

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And have you seen it, Ben?

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I have.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's that, but it's also-

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_06]: The thing I was surprised by was I was very interested in seeing it, but I assumed it was going

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_06]: to be more of a like, fuck you movie.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_06]: That its main reason for existing was to be like, flip off IP.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was like genuine affection.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the whole thing Vera Drew is doing in that movie, which is like kind of remarkable

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_06]: is you're like, oh, this movie has like a perfectly structured emotional story in a

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_06]: way Joker Falia does not.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_06]: That feels very personal.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And as her making the case of like, there are reasons to reinterpret these characters

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_06]: to let storytellers tell very specific personal stories through the prisms, things you maybe

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_06]: can't do without using the like lens of, you know, characters and tropes we know.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_06]: She finds new fucking things to do with all of like the supporting cast of the Batman universe

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: and is basically this argument for like, these things should be like accessible.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_06]: They shouldn't be like gate kept, you know?

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_06]: If we're going to contend that like fucking Joker is our like Hamlet and the character that

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_06]: needs to be reinterpreted, then you actually need to open this up rather than turning this

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_06]: into this fucking dick measuring contest of like who can get more twisted, which is where-

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_06]: The dead end we've gotten to is just like how do you make Joker more and more extreme

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_06]: and bleak and realistic.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's right.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way to do that anymore.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And so hopefully there's no more Joker for a while.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we talk about Joker Falia dude just briefly?

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Favorite scenes?

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked when they had sex because it made me laugh.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I ordered, I saw this movie at Nighthawk, which for folks who don't know, it's a theater

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in Brooklyn, like the Alamo where you bring food, but it was the original dine in movie

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: theater in Brooklyn.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Great food.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And they had a special Joker pie.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It looked delicious.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It was really cute.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It was the guy that had the red and green.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a key lime pie with cherry whipped cream.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was pink whipped cream and then a maraschino cherry on top.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was good.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Can musical numbers, the set, the costumes, anything guys?

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Half assed.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Half assed, then.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Half assed?

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Half assed.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he films the musical numbers very sort of plainly and like didn't do much for

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: me.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The production value of the film is fine.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like much like the first Joker, it doesn't look bad.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it looks fine.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, the costuming and the sets are fine.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The location stuff is fine.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The first movie has more.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I have things to say about this.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to quickly before we move on.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: It's still razzle dazzle to quote Billy Flynn.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But like, you do the thing with the, like the Sonny and Cher show or whatever.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's like not, they do more on, in Saturday night when they show the fucking, what's his,

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_00]: who's it?

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Milton Berle?

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Berle variety show behind the scenes.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you see his dick in that movie?

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but he talks about it a lot.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, obviously he would never shut up about it.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to, I just want to.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, no.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Do they pull it out?

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He does pull it out.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it yet.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You haven't seen it yet?

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I have used, has that, has anyone here besides me seen it?

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I forget.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: They might've done, they might've pulled a Dirk Diggler with like a book.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Before we fully move.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Does he show it to Alan Zoe Bell in the movie?

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's, it's to Chevy Chase and Kaya Gerber.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_00]: He's flirting with Kaya Gerber and Chevy Chase.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Corey Michael Smith was like, fuck you old man.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, fuck her with my giant cock.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to quickly, before we dig into all this, say that Marie got the joker pie,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_06]: which looks good.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_06]: We, Ben also saw it at Nighthawk and said he considered getting the cocktail called That's

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Life.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And what stopped him was, and I'll read the ingredients, see if you can guess which one

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_06]: stopped Ben from ordering it.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Silky Irish whiskey?

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Laird's Bottle and Bond?

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that is.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a science check from Babe Ruth coming in?

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, cool.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Peach liqueur?

[00:51:21] Okay.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Lemon?

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, that sounds like a perfect, oh, and also tobacco bitters.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_06]: What, what are those?

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, but I will say thematically appropriate.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just ripping cigs the entire fucking movie.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_06]: 50% of this film's running time is shots of him smoking a cigarette, tilting his head

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_06]: all the way back.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all he does is tilt back and smoke.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_06]: This is like, this is the shit I hate in Joker, which is like, Todd Phillips seeing

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_06]: him dance one time and being like, oh, that's good.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to have you dance 20 times.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Landing on that shot one time and being like, fuck, we're going to do this shot 40 times.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: To, to do something that I hate to do, which is praise Todd Phillips' 2019 film Joker.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That film is a little rattling.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And it has moments that really got to me.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we both agree that the De Niro sequence is undeniably effective at what it is trying

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_06]: to do.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the stuff of him like laughing on the bus and like, you know, working at the

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: weird place with the, you know, where is it that he works?

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember where he works.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like a clown for hire.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the clown store.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: The Clown Factory.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That movie is a portrayal of a very damaged, ill person.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And just sort of descending into this terrible act.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did not think that it was a particularly like evolved movie or that smart.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was somewhat visceral to watch and it's, you know, whatever.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a movie with a story.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Phoenix is a ham.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I've always said that he's a hammy actor and he needs to kind of be, have the right

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: guardrails around him, but he's effective in the movie.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I prefer you were never really here in like, if he's going to do that mode, which I know

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you agree.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, this performance is so embarrassing.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: His performance in this movie is so embarrassing.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That it makes me think he was bad in the last one that maybe he's always been bad.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Things like him doing the foghorn leghorn voice or the British accent, like when he's

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: on trial representing himself.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, that is, that's like me being asked in five minutes to be like, what would

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like a crazy person do?

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, like who thinks he's a comedian, like no thought whatsoever into how this character

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: thinks or behaves.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's better in this movie when he's in fleck mode, I guess.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But I also, he's a little more going on there.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I look terrible when he's in.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I think this movie is bad and I don't like it.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to play, dare I say it, Joker's advocate for certain aspects of this film that

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I, this film.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, there are certain aspects that I coming after you.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the same again?

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Richie John Page's character.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, yeah, he's got the action figure on his desk.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_06]: There are certain aspects of this film.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I found, uh, compelling at, at, in spurts.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_06]: There are pieces of things.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_06]: We already talked about the sex scene.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: The sex scene is the only good part.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about spurts.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I think, I think the cartoon is great.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That's two minutes.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to do an accounting here.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think the cartoon is that great.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The cartoon is fine.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We can just find some things.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Why?

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: At least fine.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is the position.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a decent burger at the Alamo.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Congrats.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess how many people were in my screening?

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Where?

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: At the Alamo.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Five.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Zero?

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Goose egg.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You were the only one?

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw the film at like 12, 15.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That actually must've been nice for you because-

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was not nice.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You've been on daddy duty.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you, you like-

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would like to go see movies.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Get a big room alone to yourself.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to go see fucking J.K. Simmons whipping out a fake dick.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see Megalopolis.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to see this shit.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You did, you did send a series of angry texts in one of our other group texts that was like,

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I barely seen any movies in two months and now I have to see fucking Joker,

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Folly, a duh because of Griffin.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, I'm here in this thread.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to see it.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to see it like with the runway of like every critic on earth being like an absolute waste of time.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So you saw-

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Not just bad, but just boring.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_06]: But also like you saw it with zero people in the audience.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Zero.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was me and my waiter.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like day eight of release?

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It was within the second week of release.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But tip of the second week.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Tip of the second week.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I went on an indigenous people's day.

[00:55:31] Sorry, what is this?

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And-

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Your honor.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: There were a total of zero other people-

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like your horizon screening.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Wish I had just shown-

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: If they'd just been like, sorry, the picture's broken.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just showing horizon.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been like, fantastic.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Hot dog.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I should have gone on indigenous people's day because I have ten free tickets to the

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Nighthawk that I won as prizes from trivia.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Look, we're both holding hot hands.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like feeling really good about not paying to see Joker 2.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I got there, I found out that you can't use them on weekends and you can't

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_00]: use them on Fridays either.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They have some blackouts.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You can only use them like Monday to Wednesday.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And you have to wait.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It has to be past the first week of release.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_06]: So you were waiting out.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, it's second week.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: We can use it.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, I ended up paying $34 to go see Joker 2.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Play Joker's app.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to move on to Goodrich and we'll circle back to-

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just want to give Marie a little chance, a little bite at Goodrich.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But some other things you like.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_06]: James Seamus, something of a patron saint.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_06]: The Blank Chai Podcast.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Hulk poster hanging above your shoulder.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_06]: When I first met him and told him how much I loved Hulk, he sort of went like, oh, the fascination

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_06]: with the wrong object, which is a term that has stuck with me.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, no, I genuinely love it.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, no, I get it.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I have the same thing of like when a movie is so confidently made incorrectly, there's

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_06]: something compelling about trying to make sense of it.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And I admittedly have like a big soft spot for that.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And like Hangover Part 3 is another movie that I think is bad and doesn't work.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I rewatched it for the first time in 10 years last night and prepped for this.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I was astounded by the degree with which it doesn't work.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It's so much stranger than I remembered, but I've always sort of vouched for it because

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I do not like the first two Hangover movies.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I like a couple of Todd Phillips movies a lot.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I obviously stand really hard for due date.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You like due date.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I do think old school is kind of the like frat pack or text.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_06]: There's nothing wrong with old school.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of the pinnacle of that for me.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are plenty of things probably that don't hit well these days.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But old school, you're like, yeah, that was, you know.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Matt Singer and our friends writing a book about that whole era.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, I do think old school is quietly the key text of that entire comedy movement.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And I always forget he did Road Trip.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Road Trip, I like okay.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_06]: It's okay.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_06]: School for Sound Drills, I like okay.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Starsky and Hutch, I like okay.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_06]: It's okay.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Wardock's kind of interesting.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like you're with me.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I am with you.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Doesn't totally work, but felt like an interesting transitional movie for like this guy's trying

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_06]: to turn into something else.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Where he landed, we don't like.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was the start of him like flexing whatever Scorsese muscles.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You left, you just glossed over the Gigi Allen film.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I do feel like.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_06]: He starts out in documentaries.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_06]: He does that.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_06]: He does a film called Frat House, which was like a big Sundance hit.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_06]: About like hazing and stuff.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, the Gigi Allen movie is, I think we talked about it on the first show.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about it a lot on the first show.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very, you know, you can see the continuum, right?

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Of what interests him.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_06]: That he loves like the idea of being transgressive, countercultural, that he is this very bizarre,

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_06]: like wildly successful, largely very mainstream filmmaker working with big stars and big budgets

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_06]: who gets off on the idea that he's like fucking sticking it to the man in the institution,

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_06]: spitting everyone's eye.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Which is hard to do when you're also fucking winning in the movie industry.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_06]: So there is this.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_06]: That's so Gen X of him.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Totally.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And there was this horseshoe theory thing that I think has happened two times with this

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and Hangover part three, where when he has to like follow up a movie that was that big

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_06]: and Hangover two, he just kind of did Hangover one.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I just did it again in Thailand.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Again with a bigger budget.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And everyone critiqued him for that.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And he was very defensive of like, it's not the same.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It's got different jokes.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Hangover three feels like a similar.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck you.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_06]: You want me to not make Hangover two again?

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And it is a movie that is basically like these guys are bad.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_06]: These are bad people.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_06]: You didn't get it.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: This isn't fun.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_06]: They're actually in pain.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_06]: The whole movie, the inciting incident, they're sober the entire film.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_06]: There is no hangover.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_06]: There is no blackout.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It is a movie of them being like asked to account for the crimes that they've committed

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_06]: that were cute in the first two movies.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It basically has the tone and the aesthetics of blood simple.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It will go long stretches without anything that's even an attempt of a joke.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And the inciting incident of the film is they realize, oh, Zach Galifianakis' character

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_06]: isn't funny.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He is mentally ill.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_06]: We need to institutionalize him.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And on the way to like, they held an intervention and they're driving him to the desert.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_06]: They're pulled over by John Goodman with a gun.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, fucking Ken Jeong stole all my money and you have to get it back.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, we don't know Ken Jeong.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, really?

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Because you guys keep on doing fucking movies with him and getting drunk and doing stupid

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_06]: shit.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to fucking murder Justin Bartha unless you get my money back.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_06]: The movie is so angry and bitter and weird and violent and intense.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It does not work.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't know this.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen it.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06]: No one knows this.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And it came out and it similarly was hated.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And didn't do very well.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_06]: It also cost a lot of money on a scale of didn't do well.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_06]: It still made its money.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_06]: It made 115 million domestic.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_06]: It made 350 worldwide.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's what they assumed the basement was on a Joker collapse.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, well, but come on, how hard could it actually fail?

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was hated.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But in a way where since I think most people have been like Hangover 2 is lazy, we've

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_06]: moved on from this, didn't get the same attention as this.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: The Hangover fans who went to see it were like, why isn't this funny?

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was sort of the end of the conversation.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_06]: This is the same thing where like you've given Todd Phillips everything.

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Not only is it his biggest financial hit, but also he won all these awards.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: He was taken seriously as an auteur.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Taken into the embrace of the sort of arty critical community in a way he hadn't been

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: before.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_06]: He's at the fucking round table with Scorsese.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, who's like, I watched some of it.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I get it.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's the part of him that's still angry that he feels like he still isn't taken

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_06]: seriously enough.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's the other part of him that's like, if I'm playing with house money and now everyone's

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_06]: saying we want you to do your outro thing, he then has to make a movie that hates itself

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: because like there's a quote, you know, he when the first Joker came out and people were

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_06]: like, why do you make comedies anymore?

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, oh, culture's too woke.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: You can't get away with comedy anymore.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And everyone's like, fucking jerk off motion.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's a more telling quote from that press run up where he's just like, look, it felt

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_06]: like comedy was changing and studios didn't want to make it and whatever.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was trying to figure out how transition of being a different kind of filmmaker, but

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_06]: still do something that felt like it would scare the studios.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_06]: That his whole thing he gets off on is they're a little worried about him going too far.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_06]: That's his like kink as a filmmaker is being paid $20 million and feeling like he's being

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_06]: 10 percent too edgy.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And in this case, after Joker working against everyone's expectations, the only way he could

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: do that was basically to make a movie that is boring and self-loathing.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But boring, I think, is to me the true insult.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the yes.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't Joker just do some shit in this movie?

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Why?

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Joker in jail?

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He shot over De Niro.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Let him go.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The Joker!

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Let him escape!

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see some funny outfits.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what would have been truly funny?

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: If this movie begins with him escaping from Arkham Asylum.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes!

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the rest of the movie is him fighting the Batman.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you?

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like the movie is just suddenly like, Joker, someone's after you.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is it?

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Batman!

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it just becomes a Batman Joker movie like in a really ordinary way.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, but isn't Batman like, well...

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm saying like the movie is just suddenly...

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I love this!

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Bring that little boy back.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He should become obsessed with this 12 year old kid who he like, you know, tries to kill.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I know you didn't watch it in full.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you two remember how the first Joker ends?

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't he shoot him in the head?

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, he kills...

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you remember what the very end of the movie is?

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's him running through the...

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some conversation with a psychiatrist in the asylum, then it's him like running through

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the halls having maybe killed the person who was talking to him, but it's kind of ambiguous.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you alluding to?

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I just remember the triumphant image of him standing on top of the abandoned cop car

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: with the riots.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's right below.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right before.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when he puts the blood on his face.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I forgot that he is institutionalized by the end of the first movie.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But the movie does end, the Joker movie, uh, not 2019, does end with Bruce Wayne's

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: parents being killed during this kind of like riot that ensues.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have heard.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Did they ever show that?

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: In any of the other movies?

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's never been seen or even really spoken of in our culture.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you talk about how edgy Todd Phillips was.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_06]: He was the first one to say, what if they rip her pearl necklace off?

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And they're shot in alleyway like a dog.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Thomas and Martha Wayne, not very...

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe Chill.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Not very smart.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Chill, not very nice to the Waynes, but the Waynes, you know, should have left Gotham.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They're sending over their worst.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They're sending their Joe Chills to Gotham.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, did you see that Jerry Seinfeld went on Tom Papa's podcast and said, I really regret

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that stuff I said about like the extreme left ruining comedy.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said something that was really interesting.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That I really liked.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So, Jerry, for at least owning that you were kind of popping off, right?

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like...

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Pop-tarting off.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's like, if Lindsey Vonn is sledding down a hill, so skiing down a hill, and they

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: make the gates like really far apart, she'll hit the gates because that's what she does.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's okay if the gates move around.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, good comedians will figure out how to be funny.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: That's every comedian I respect.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: That has been their statement the whole fucking time.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And people like...

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: At least he owned up to it.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: ...push Bill Burr and they're like, you must hate comedy getting PC.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, no, if you're challenged by that, then you're a hack.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, exactly.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that, right.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was...

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: If you work hard enough, anything could be funny.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so Todd Phillips, take a leaf out of Lindsey Vonn and Jerry Seinfeld.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfrosted?

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Better movie than Joker Folly.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I have it rated higher.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I do.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm still waiting for my letterbox ranking.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, what was the point I was about to make?

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a thing...

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: By the end of Joker you were talking about.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, Joker 1, to be clear.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Todd Phillips, Horseshoe Theory.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Who knows?

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Jerry Seinfeld.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck this movie.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a stupid ass dumb bullshit movie for idiots who suck.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm gonna get back to some fucking...

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Idiots who suck.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Except nobody likes this movie.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I do think...

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Lex G liked this movie.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well...

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I do think this movie looks really good.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the movie looks fine.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it has production value.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, not that many sets.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh...

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's wild how much of it is just Arkham Asylum.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Arkham Asylum, Courtroom, the Sonny and Shitshare set, the sort of outdoor set where they

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_06]: do the dancing.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Which, like, I love conceptually cutting to, like, inner life musical numbers.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not consistent.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a consistent device.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The choices of songs are so, like, basic and lame.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, all the songs are so dreary.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no fun in any of the music.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Do fun musical sequences.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The annoying part...

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the one musical number that works, in my opinion, is If They Could See Me Now,

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_06]: beyond just being a song I obviously love, and that we've covered Sweet Charity, past

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_06]: many series, I think that sequence has a little bit of a visual idea of them, like, running

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_06]: around in the rain after she set the fire, and then being a little free.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It works sort of for what it is.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_06]: His sort of, like, live on-set audio, it's their voices are scratchy on purpose, whatever

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: thing.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: The part where the movie totally fails is when it goes into those inner life sequences

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and you're like, there's a soundstage, and they're made up, and they're playing with,

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_06]: like, TV variety show aesthetics and whatever, and then the numbers are, like, overcut

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and, like, lifeless.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, that's where the movie should sort of...

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And you have Lady Gaga.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I do...

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's not even singing to the, like, the fullness of her abilities.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I think she's kind of good in this.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_06]: She's an incredibly talented performer.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the movie totally sells her out.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because her character is basically just a lecture to the audience of, like, this

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: is what Joker fans are doing.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, like, idolizing this man.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: The first hour I was...

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_06]: This is what grad students are like.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, exactly.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_06]: The first hour I was like, is she great in this?

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And it is, to be clear.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the, like, complete dismantling of the character made me so angry.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's really annoying that she just...

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: To be clear, she's like, I'm a psychiatrist.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm...

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: First, she's like, I'm Harley Quinn.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in here for doing a bad thing.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it turns out, like, no, she's like some sort of a psychiatrist who was kind

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of faking being in the asylum to get close to him and she made it all up.

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've always disliked...

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But was she actually pregnant?

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But isn't that crazy they didn't follow up on that?

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_06]: No, he follows up on it.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Does he?

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And she's just like...

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: On the steps.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: She's like, I got rid of that.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that scene is...

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I was...

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I was well checked out.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: So catastrophic.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Really.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point, yes, you're really like, end this movie.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It has like five endings in a row.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she killed herself in the scene before.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I did too.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm like, well, is it...

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Because she holds a fucking gun up to her head.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, is he hallucinating her on the stairs?

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Marie...

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes they'll cut back and you can't even see her on the stairs.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm confused.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on.

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: We had compared different Reddit leaks we had read about how the movie ended and that

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_06]: were like in conflict with each other.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I saw before you and I was like, the movie ends in a series of sequences that

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_06]: all feel like they could have been the ending where I fully believe that at different

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_06]: points in time, the movie ended in completely different ways.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It does feel like...

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And everything I've heard about the production of this movie, and this is a big reason why

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: it costs so much fucking money when people ask, how is that possible, is that they had

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: this massive set and a lot of background actors.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: They had two massive sets they built, right?

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, the courthouse.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of background actors.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And that this movie, for a pretty talky fucking grounded thing, was sort of made the way the

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Christopher McQuarrie Mission Impossible movies were made, where they just get to set every

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: day and every actor was on hold every day.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And they'd be like, what do we want to do?

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And they just threw a bunch of shit at the wall.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I think this movie was kind of made choose your own adventure style, which is why it feels

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_06]: like it has conflicting ideas in it because they were like, I don't know, we'll find it.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, I think they had a script going into it, but we're throwing a lot of shit

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_06]: at the wall.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And it does feel like the movie includes both the ending that was intended to be her suicide

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_06]: and the scene where she comes in and explains why, in a perfect bow, she's over him.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, it includes branching timeline things.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, we get this wonderful epilogue where he gets killed by a random inmate

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: who then, like, sits down and carves a smile into his face.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Heath Ledger's cell.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Imitating sort of the Heath Ledger character.

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Which it has come out that that was part of Philip's pitch that he wanted to be the ending

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: of the first movie when Joker's in Arkham Asylum.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was the one thing where Warner Brothers was like, that is one step too far.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot do that because Christopher Nolan is still a beloved member of our stable and

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't want to make him mad by, like, messing with the legacy of that series.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, like, maybe...

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: How times have changed.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Just don't fucking touch Ledger at all.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that's too loaded in every direction.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, to me, the movie's only kind of touching it in the...

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The Glasgow smile thing is the only thing.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't as explicit as...

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he comes out with the green dyed hair.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_06]: The guy's doing a little bit more of a Ledger impression than I would have expected.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I was...

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I just think he's doing that.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I was profoundly disinterested by what was being shown to me in that moment.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Just make him laugh.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I just did not like it at all.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I was a little...

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: In the Hangover Part 3, like, I'm fascinated by what this movie is trying to do at war with itself.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Set up of what I thought was a reasonably good spine at setup that the movie completely botches, which is...

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think the way that the first Joker movie deals with fucking mental illness is really condescending and exploiting.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Quite simplistic, yes.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. I, like, hate it.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And I hated that the movie did this sort of back patty victory lap of, like, no, this is like a somber, like, call to attention for the people that society neglects.

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, this is a movie that gawks over how weird his body looks.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, definitely.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: It's mostly just look at how weird this fucking guy is.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. There's a lack of discipline that plays against that being the stated intent of the movie that I really think was a added on later award season narrative.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This movie, I think, is a little more engaged in him actually being a mentally ill person.

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree with you that I think, like, the Arthur performance kind of works.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And once he becomes Joker again, it's a disaster.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I...

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: There's something I kind of like about him being totally catatonic and dead inside at the beginning of the film.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Although it does go on very fucking long.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's also just not that fun to watch.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: The one idea the movie has that I think is a little interesting that it doesn't know how to follow through on, and it's what the cartoon sets up, is here's this guy whose entire complex is he's ignored in life.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to entertain.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to connect to people.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_06]: He can't do it.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_06]: He has finally now become this, like, weird, beloved celebrity.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Even as a controversial figure, he's got attention and there's, like, discourse around him.

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And he feels completely disassociated from it because it's basically a persona and not him.

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And the movie trying to litigate, like, is Joker a different character than he is?

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Is that an outpouring of his trauma?

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Was that a performance?

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_06]: What is it?

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And, like, at the beginning, I was like, fuck, am I going to like this movie?

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And then increasingly, scene by scene, it was losing me because it just doesn't have a clarity of vision to be able to actually, like, follow that through to any satisfying end point.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I want to say about the film.

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I think, yeah, I think if you could see me now, number is good.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I think when he sings in the interview with Steve Coogan, that kind of works.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But once again, like, the only numbers that kind of work for me are the ones that are not really musical numbers.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, the Coogan scene and Coogan looking hot.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He's looking good.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, as he always is.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's like just the perfect, Steve Coogan's like, but you're Joker from the film Joker.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And you did this stuff in Joker.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you making of it?

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I don't know.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, can something happen, please?

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Just action.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Action.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_06]: That was the one other thing I was going to say in defense of Gaga.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't need her.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_06]: She doesn't need defense.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: We have nothing against her.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: She's doing great.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: We blame Todd Phillips for not utilizing her property.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Final thing I want to say about the movie.

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Harley Quinn, as we said, created as like a fun comic, a cartoon character.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Added to the comics later.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Becomes an incredibly popular character.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Totally.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Has become humongous.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But there is this thing of like, a character who was originally created as just like the Joker's

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Maul.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_06]: What if he had like a sassy female sidekick who's in love with him, but it's this sort of dark,

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: abusive, like.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So over time, the dynamic deepens and writers have tried to approach it in a sensitive way.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And some have done it much better than others.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's this whole idea of it being right.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_06]: This abusive relationship.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And at times it's like, did Joker like fucking brainwash her?

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I think some of the depictions of Harley Quinn are like weirdly depriving her

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: of any agency by making her someone who just got like Joker-fied and now is stuck like cursed

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: to a life of being Lady Joker, even as they've tried to make her her own character away from

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: him. The narrative is always, well, the Joker fucked her up and now she's her own thing.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I kind of was into at the beginning of this movie the setup of like, no, she's someone who

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: like sees him, quote unquote, that she's like insane, that it's not like he fucking gaslit

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: his therapist and tricked her in through.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It reverses the narrative where he's becomes, he's like the submissive to her.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And in that dynamic, Gaga is incredibly good casting.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought she was really electric.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And then as the movie unwinds and is like, no, she's just like some fucking like fangirl

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: who's also like abusive and superficial to him.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_06]: It did bummed me out hardcore.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_06]: David.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

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[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you see Revenge?

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[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Elizabeth Sparkle, a pastor prime Hollywood A-lister that turns to a mysterious experimental

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[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Margaret Qualley, who's in everything.

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[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: How did he find anything to play that kind of role?

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[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: There is a catch up entertainment release.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That will have just come out.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And in some capacity,

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_06]: it's getting a fairly wide release.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I know a lot of our international listeners

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: are frustrated by this being part of the episode

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: because the movie does not have as strong

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_06]: an international rollout outside of North America.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I do believe it's going straight to Netflix

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: in a number of countries.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Makes sense.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_06]: It's going straight to plane.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I would imagine this movie should go straight to plane.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: If I saw this on a plane,

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like I would just fucking.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's just make this the headline.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Goodrich is maybe the most effective plane movie of the year.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_06]: If you put this on a plane,

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_06]: you are going to have zero regrets.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't mean this as a backhanded compliment.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We all I mean, look, as the flip side of Joker,

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_06]: we all sat there and were like this movie is kind of doing

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_06]: what it it promises to do.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_06]: By and large.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it is not a great film.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I think it's a huge step up from home again.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I wasn't on for that episode.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked that movie.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I really like home again as a, you know,

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: but an adult.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: An object of fascinating.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The term you throw out.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Gas leak cinema.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Gas leak cinema.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you're just like, is everyone just,

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is there something wrong?

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are people talking this way?

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is there a gas leak?

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Goodrich is a fascinating.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Goodrich is Hallie Meyer Shire's second film.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: A one hour and 50 minute dramedy about an art dealer

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: whose second wife, his younger wife,

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: leaves him out of nowhere for rehab program.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And he didn't even know.

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even know she had a drug problem.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's checked out.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't know what kind of problems she had.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He's checked out.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a workaholic.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so now he has to raise his two nine year old twins

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and try to continue to forge a relationship with his elder daughter,

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: who is a grown woman who's pregnant herself.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Emilia Kunis plays her.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael Keaton plays Andy Goodrich.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The titular Goodrich.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: My guy, Michael Keaton.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_06]: What about Andy Goodrich?

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I kind of like Andy Goodrich.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_06]: She's.

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, you were sitting there at the end of the movie.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I turned to you.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_06]: You have tears in your eyes.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Big, tough guy.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Big, strong guy.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_06]: David Sims.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Tears in his eyes comes up to me and says,

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, representation really matters.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's good to see it on screen.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Twin dad cinema.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I feel like we all kind of teared up during this movie.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: a couple moments kind of got me.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's about a dad learning to be a dad.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: After years of already being a dad.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Look, all four of us have had very different relationships with our fathers,

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_06]: but they're all loaded in different directions.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Dad movies are a pretty effective way to poke.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I think for a lot of people,

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_06]: but I think most of the sentiment,

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_06]: this movie, uh, succeeds and ringing out does not feel super manipulative.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know this movie is not manipulative.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: My problem with good rich.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If I have one, which is, you know, like we,

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: we just described the premise of the movie to you.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You can basically guess the arcs of good rich.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I tell you like, yeah, his, what his, uh, his second wife leaves him.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He's stuck with his kids.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and he's, and his older daughter is pregnant.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, okay, I like, I imagine he like learned some lessons about being a dad.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And he, you know, and ends up with his, his older daughter having a kid and they kind of make a breakthrough too.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And in a very Nancy Meyers way, it has like four additional subplots that take up a weird amount of time.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, but I can see how these sort of come together.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I was expecting it to much more just be those two threads running in balance.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's, there are long stretches where like neither Cunis nor the kids are really part of it.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_06]: A hundred percent.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There are two, I would say, right.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Semi major B plots.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: One is a good rich pursuing the estate of a dead, uh, sort of artist who like only became famous late in life.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I black female artists.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Because his gallery is not good.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Rich gallery is behind.

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: They're behind.

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Good rich gallery.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Losing our galleries.

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They're taking them away.

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It shows up for maybe like eight minutes of total.

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Forgetting.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It feels more like bad rich these days.

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Poor.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but Carmen Ejogo plays the daughter of this artist who, so he's kind of pursuing her not romantically more as like a,

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Although I will say, I felt sexual tension between Michael Keaton and every single character in this movie.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Including his daughter.

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Including 100% Mila Cunis.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In ways that I think maybe there could have been a little bit of intervention on the direction.

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe he doesn't need to call her babe.

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: This movie is-

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, he said babe.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's a big emotional-

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_06]: The final line, which let's not spoil, but there's a final-

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Well no, I mean, well-

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna spoil the movie.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna spoil the movie.

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Spoilers for good rich.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Spoilers for good rich.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with Griffin.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's why.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Because I think us-

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: In the final, his final line to his daughter-

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Us devoting half an episode to this is maybe gonna constitute 50% of the entire marketing push for this movie.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_06]: People might actually go see this because of this episode.

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And we do think people should see this movie.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We liked this movie.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And here's another, like, the type of movie we bemoan a lot doesn't really happen anymore.

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, a lot of, like, this is, in a certain way, this feels like Hallie taking a step away into her own identity.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Not just doing weird, like, Child of Nancy movie.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But, but also it's like, it's getting a little into, like, Cameron Crowe.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was very, it was very James L. Brooks.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: James L. Brooks.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, all these sort of, like, middle brow, high level adult dramedy movie star movies that we love.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a two-hander between Mila Kunis and Michael Keaton.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think going into this, if you know who the director is, I assumed that we're going to be identifying with Mila Kunis' character.

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be about, it's going to be focused on her and her relationship to her father.

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was most struck by how much the film puts you in Michael Keaton's perspective.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_06]: It is a good rich movie.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a good rich movie.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Goodman.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that really is, like, cool that she's able to, you know, get into this guy's psyche.

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I think if anything, a weird failing of the movie is that Mila Kunis' character is underwritten.

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I think she's a little miscast.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't decide who would be the right person.

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's a little old.

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The role is underwritten.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not sure anyone's going to be amazing in it.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Dakota Johnson.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, putting her in a movie would have bold and interesting decision that would be.

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey!

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey!

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to talk like this the entire time?

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I bought...

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Trick or treat.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I bought a really good wig with bangs.

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Small my feet.

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me some like a tea.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a can of Pepsi.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's happening right now.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: My web apparently connects them all.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I ordered a red faux leather blazer.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got sunglasses because I'm only like, I'm her after she's become Adam Webb.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you guys know that I've now...

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I've now...

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_06]: The last 30 seconds of the movie?

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, you're...

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're dressing up as the end credits?

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, do you guys know that I've now seen Adam Webb four times?

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm going to be the villain of Madame Webb.

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_06]: David's doing an impression of the villain of Madame Webb.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We have to stop Madame Webb!

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: All the ADR.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I keep seeing visions of her.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: He's moving his mouth more than he's saying words.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to repeat, I have watched Madame Webb four times.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I want to get a temperature check here.

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Madame Webb better than Joker.

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Undeniably.

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Undeniably.

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Undeniably.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I've like, I've really hovered over the purchase button on the Madame Webb steelbook.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a great time.

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Madame Webb is like a wrong object that gives me joy.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That I like, I'm happy while watching it.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Fun movie.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I have Madame Webb over Tarot and Joker Folly Adu in my list this year.

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben, have you seen Madame Webb?

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I have.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No offense to Tarot.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's, let's get back.

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you who doesn't love Madame Webb.

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: My new character, the villain from Madame Webb.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate her.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: David?

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember the name.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Ezekiel Sims?

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you trying to set that up?

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I completely forgot that.

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I was going to say, I will write you a check for $500 if you can pull the name and I'm

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_06]: so glad you answered before I said that.

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I only remember that it was Sims.

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It is Ezekiel Sims, right?

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You nailed it.

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: My name, of course, is Ezekiel Sims.

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, just one of those things where they're like, can we have fucking the Scarlet Spider?

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Can we have, I don't know, like, you know, Hydromant?

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you can't.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You can have Ezekiel Sims.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Who the hell is that?

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I just pulled him out of this big folder.

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He's who you get from Madame Webb.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's anyway.

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Good Rich.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Good Rich.

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I have no idea if this is true.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But isn't this movie surely about Charles Shire a little bit?

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what we assume.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it has to be.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because like Charles Shire, uh, the father of, um, Halle Meyer Shire, left Nancy Meyers

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Many years ago.

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: After being married to her for like, I think almost 20 years.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, married someone else.

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Work partnership, much like in this movie.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like they work in the same field.

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_06]: They work together.

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_06]: They split off.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_06]: She's now more successful than he is.

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And she became more successful than he was.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: More successful in the 80s and 90s.

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She becomes more successful in the 2000s.

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole movie is sort of like.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And he drops off.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Your thing went out of style.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: A hundred percent.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Charles Shire now hasn't made a movie in over 10 years.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And Charles Shire.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 20 years?

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Was Alfie his final film?

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So 20 years ago.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and Charles Shire, you know, married someone else after Nancy Meyers.

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That marriage ended in divorce.

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He has more kids than Halle.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know like, you know, if he had kids with his later wife.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to say I think Halle now is married with a child.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know.

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It just, it just feels like her processing her dad.

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I was not saying anything about him getting remarried.

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but he, well, he has a marriage after Nancy.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He was married to a woman called Deborah Lynn from 2004 to 2009.

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Much like in Goodrich, right.

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It has also ended.

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: It ended many years ago.

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He had at least a child in that second marriage.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He has four children total and Nancy only had two.

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, you know, it's just, you can imagine at least a leaping off point being maybe like,

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe something like this happened in her family.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: When I read the announcement.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: She had a moment with her dad like this.

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_06]: By the way, this movie was announced in 2019.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's been sort of bubbling for a while.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Back when I was much more engaged with trying to be a professional actor.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think his kids are twins too.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: A boy and a girl.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yes.

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_06]: This was like an immediate.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I emailed all of my reps and was like, I will do anything to be in this movie, both

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: because of my, you know, Meyer Shire family obsession, but also just like fucking Michael

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Keaton.

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Marie did an audition tape with me for this movie.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I did.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember.

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably auditioning for who?

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The Nico Haraga character?

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's one of the gallery assistants or something.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You could have been the husband.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The, the, the close.

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see if you can pin it.

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, Michael Urie's character.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's really, by the way, really good.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a great actor.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Michael.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's really good.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That was my favorite of the B plot.

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So not Nico Haraga who plays like this, this week.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically one scene.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that guy was really cute.

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Not Danny, not Danny DeFerrari who I'm just going to say this and I do not mean this is

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a joke.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I spent the entire movie being like, is this like Josh Radner with like a sort of a spray

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: tan or something?

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was Josh Radner the whole movie.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know it wasn't Josh Radner.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like Josh Radner is the husband.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the husband.

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I would look at him and I'd be like, no, I know what Josh Radner looks like and it's

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not quite this.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's close.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was uncanny.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So is Josh Radner like changed?

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But then I just saw Josh Radner off Broadway and, uh, I already forgot the name of that

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: play.

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he did so many monologues.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's, it's like, I love to do Christmas and New Year.

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: See?

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That fucking guy.

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_06]: What is like the obvious, like one scene kind of like functional character part that

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Accountant guy who's like, I'm looking at the numbers and they just say down.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We want them to say down.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Who's that actor?

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I like that actor.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I always forget his name.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_06]: He played the son on Barry, Henry Winkler's son.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was in something else.

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_06]: He's in a bunch of stuff.

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to find him.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to find him.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But the second that scene started, Murray tapped me and was like, I remember we did this

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_06]: movie.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, I've been tracking this movie for a long time.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So you did this.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You, that was this.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Those are the lines.

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We're very familiar with that scene.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, this movie got delayed because of pandemics and strikes and whatever.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But, uh, yes, has, has long been, uh, in the works.

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And Keaton is obviously like my favorite living actor in the lead up to Beetlejuice.

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And also because I was kindly asked to do a Keaton episode for the big picture.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I started a project of like, let me see if I can go through the whole fucking Keaton

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: filmography and fill in the blind spots and rewatch the things I haven't seen since I was

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_06]: a child.

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I think there are only five or six of his movies.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't seen now.

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: All are in the back half, mostly in the doldrums between 2000 and 2014.

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_06]: His true like white noise era.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Like movies that only got released in Europe, like quicksand with Michael Caine.

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And the last time with Brendan Fraser, where you're like, what the fuck is this?

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a soccer movie with Robert Duvall.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Like these are sort of the only ones I haven't seen.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Andrew, Andrew Lee.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We found this at the same time.

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: He's very good.

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I like him in general.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm intensely jealous that he got to do this scene with Michael Keaton.

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_06]: This motherfucker.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, he earned it.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But, um, uh,

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_06]: He earned it, Andrew.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Good job, Andrew.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I was trying to do this project chronologically.

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So really sort of charting the development and the arc of the Keaton movie star career

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_06]: because his arc is really weird.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And in a lot of ways it's characterized by this narrative of like he fucked it up at different

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_06]: times.

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: He like had the juice and then would blow it.

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_06]: He would wrong foot it.

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_06]: He was on Cristella.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the will they won't they in Cristella.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Cristella gets the job at the sort of white shoe law firm.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's the kind of goody two shoes there.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And they have a will they won't they thing.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And that show was underrated.

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I watched every single episode.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Bring back Cristella.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's who he is.

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Bring back Cristella.

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 years ago now.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, uh, Michael Keaton's career.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, you know, the last 10 years, we talked about this in the Beetlejuice episode.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: But it feels like after his Birdman year and then certainly spotlight the year after that,

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_06]: it feels like he is like fully minted now as like the guy's never going to be ignored

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_06]: again.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like icon status for the rest of his life.

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He's made bad movies in the last 10 years.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_06]: He's had hits.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_06]: He's had flops.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: But it feels like he's not in danger of like falling into the wilderness again.

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_06]: No, there's a Michael Keaton movie every single year.

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_06]: In the way he was in the mid 80s and the 90s and the mid 2000s.

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he had these real dark periods.

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Although his only film in 2022 was his scintillating cameo in the film Morbius.

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he shows up and is like, I feel like Spider-Man has something to do with this.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Morbius is like, don't know who that is.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was nice to see.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Roll credits.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: His line is, I hope the food's better in this joint.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But isn't he in the Tom Holland?

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't he the vulture?

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the vulture and Morbius has this post credit scene where they clearly were like,

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: we were hoping we could get like, you know, someone better.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, you can have Michael Keaton show up for no reason.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's as the vulture.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't matter.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't worry about it.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_06]: In the end credits of Vulture, which they've set up takes place in a different.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry, of Morbius, which they've set up takes place in a different reality than the MCU because there is a weird like, fuck characters can't intercept like Venom can't whatever.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_06]: At the end of Morbius and the end credits and Michael Keaton was in the trailers in the market.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_06]: He was.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_06]: He's only in the end credits of the movie in two different end credit scenes.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_06]: They pan over to an empty jail cell.

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And then there is like a 60 Star Trek original series style effect of him basically phasing into the empty jail cell.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_06]: He turns the camera goes, well, the food's better in this joint.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it cuts to like ADR newscaster being like in a very bizarre occurrence, a prisoner from an alternate dimension has magically appeared in an empty jail cell.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_06]: More on this story as it develops.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, what the fuck is that?

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Five more minutes of Morbius credits.

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And then there's a scene in which a Morbius, Dr. Michael Morbius, like standing on a living vampire is driving like a fucking Ferrari, like speeding through the desert.

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_06]: He parks in the middle of nowhere than a fully CGI Michael Keaton in full get up with helmet on, not on set, flies down and then like ADR recorded on like a fucking lunch break.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_06]: If not a shit break says, uh, gotta talk about this.

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he actually was like sleep talking.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he wasn't even aware.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Should I see Morbius?

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_06]: No, Morbius is what Morbius wishes it was Madame Ware.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Morbius does not have the gastric quality.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I wanted to know.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it Madame Web level?

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Not really.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Morbius is pretty just blandly bad.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I basically just said all the funniest things to Morbius.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Matt Smith is doing his best to have life in that movie.

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, no, it's not good.

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Another movie where like weird ADR, like what was this scene supposed to be?

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, characters like outfits changing mid scene.

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also Morbius being like, I have superpowers and then he does nothing with it.

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like he does good or bad.

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of just doesn't do anything.

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: One scene he pretends to be Venom.

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: His whole thing is he's just, he's just got a medical issue.

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:34:25] Sorry.

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't matter.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He's kind of got a magical cancer.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And then he comes up with a cure that turns him into the living vampire.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And he flies through the New York City subway, London Underground.

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like at one point.

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a movie for losers.

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But what I was going to say is it's been so satisfying to see this Michael Keaton comeback

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_06]: and be like, the guy is fully embraced now.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's allowed to do a full range of things, including paycheck cameos in the end credits.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But also comedies and dramas.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, yeah.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, we talked about this after we left the movie yesterday.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm setting up.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's fun to see him do Beetlejuice again to revisit a character that, you know,

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: was big for him in the 80s.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And he did that with Batman in the Flash last year.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Movie that sucks, but he's very locked in.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He's a great member.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And Goodrich is his revisiting of Mr. Mom.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_06]: This is my contention.

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Which I watched last night.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom always loved that movie and I watched as a kid, but I had not seen it as an adult.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It is very much a time capsule, but he is so charming in it.

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_06]: He is on fire in that fucking movie.

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And you get why this guy just like exploded instantly.

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Where you're like, this is a completely unique one of one comedy leading man.

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so fun.

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of other movies that fit this that are like an actor makes a movie like

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: for 40 years later that is kind of like a fall, like an unintentional conversation.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like a spiritual like a sequel.

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah.

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a fun thing to think, which I also think is like reflecting on like a weird cultural

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_06]: phenomenon that is more unique to now than the time in which Mr. Mom was made, which

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_06]: like Michael Keaton always talks about.

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, like Mr. Mom might seem kind of creaky now, but at the time it was made,

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: that was a thing that like people weren't talking about.

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_06]: A hundred percent.

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was like mocked the idea of a man being like a stay at home father.

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought we tried to do it with like a certain amount of credibility.

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like learning to like have a relationship with his kids.

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: A different kind of.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Take care of a home.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But like have more of a sort of Mr. Mom relationship.

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And like as someone who's has kids, older generations are always like, you know, it's

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: crazy that you're, you know, you get all this leave and you spend all this time with

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: them.

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you were born, like your dad went back to work within a week.

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's just how we did it back then.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, what the fuck?

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, yeah.

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think there's this modern phenomenon, though, of like, you know, the generation that

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: refuses to retire or slow down.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Who are still, let's say, dying their hair.

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about Goodrich at this.

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And going to work.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And they treated their first kids that way.

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_06]: No, he's.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He has dyed hair in this.

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he?

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Which I thought was a choice that I think fits the character.

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_06]: This guy would want to dye his fucking hair because Batman is gray.

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He's mostly gray now.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But in Goodrich, he's playing this guy who's trying to, yeah, still be like tip of the

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: spear of the art world and going to shows every night and all that.

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Like 70 something.

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_06]: This guy would be sort of able to like shake out of his like slumber briefly enough to be

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_06]: like, I guess I should be a modern father.

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I should pay attention to how other dads are doing it.

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's not a thing that people are mocking as like, this is weird.

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Why are you taking your kids to school?

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_06]: It's him sort of realizing, like, I should have been doing this the whole time.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And the Michael Aretha, which is so good.

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I thought was so nice.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The best scene in the movie is the scene with Michael Urie.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The first scene.

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside the school.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside the school.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, Goodrich, oh no, he forgot his kids exist or whatever.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's late to school.

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Then he gets to school and it's some fancy ass LA school where there's a check in desk

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and the lady's like, you're tardy.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna have to mark you tardy.

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, my favorite line in the movie where he's like, nah, we're just kind of like

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: good old fashioned late.

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's not a reason.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We're seven minutes late.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're late.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, who cares?

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let him go to school.

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Michael Urie shows up later than him and is waved in.

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And the kids are like, his son is epileptic.

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So they take it easy on him.

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And Cain's like, oh, okay.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes outside and he talks to Michael Urie.

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, there's not the loaded thing.

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Of him being like, tell me what's your secret?

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Which Griffin literally said to me.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, what's the over under?

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: A million bucks.

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He says, what's your secret?

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Which doesn't happen.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And him like kind of fetishizing like, wow.

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're a dad who like is really connected to his kid.

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on there?

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they just have a heart to heart that kind of can happen when you're a parent dropping

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: off a kid where it's a lot of vulnerability and you're all kind of in this same boat together.

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, even though these are very different people.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's also a nice update of a story beat in Mr. Mom, which also involves dropping kids off at school.

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_06]: With the moms.

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And him being complete.

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The one dad.

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have no idea what I'm doing here.

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's played for laughs.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But then he eventually learns the ropes, but from other moms.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's the only man in this environment.

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, this whole thread with Mr. Mom is that he's like fetishized by the moms.

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_06]: By being like, it's so hot that he does.

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course.

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: All the single moms want to fuck him.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And in this, it's like this very touching, tender, like Michael Urie, who's still wounded

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: from his like.

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael Urie, a lovely actor.

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And right.

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like immediately starts spilling his guts.

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: His kid has, you know, medical issues, but they were doing great.

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a great doctor.

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Marie has to go.

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Marie, do you want to put any final thoughts on Goodrich on the record?

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, I really enjoyed it.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's cool that Mila Kunis is an entertainment writer.

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Senior entertainment writer.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Senior entertainment writer.

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Profiles.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also want to make sure that we talk about the fact that Joker 2 and Goodrich.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll say it.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about that.

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to say it.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It won't be.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that.

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: God, we didn't even talk about Gleason fucking phone that shit.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're not.

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's I think it's better that we don't talk about it.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have anything to add to that conversation.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a scene that the three of us interpreted differently than a lot of people seem to.

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But also, it doesn't feel like there's anything good.

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I can see the read people made.

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: To be gained out of talking about it in either direction.

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Bye Marie.

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Love you.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Bye Marie.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: You're the best.

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Marie.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Happy 500.

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Happy 500 guys.

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, okay.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Now we can talk honestly.

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_06]: We all love Joker, right?

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so good for the boys.

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a movie for boys.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a movie about being a man.

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: These names don't get it.

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I should have that take.

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Become like a culture where like the best representation of masculinity I've ever seen.

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker gets it.

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a movie about how men are being crushed in our society.

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_06]: By women with makeup on.

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Clown makeup.

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Stealing our seed and painting our faces.

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, Joker falling.

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't get me started on these sympathetic attorney women.

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate them.

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the scene with Michael, you're Michael.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, yes.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So my kid, this is tough, but we're doing okay.

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he starts talking about like, you know, my kids, dad, uh, left.

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't handle it.

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, you know, he's, he's explaining something kind of private.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And so good.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Rich could just be like, ah, I'm sorry to hear that man.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But instead he, he opens up too, right?

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, look, I'm going through something to my wife.

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She apparently had a drug problem.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know it.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, he's like, isn't that crazy?

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he says, like, I mean, it's, it reflects poorly on me.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he doesn't just say in a corner, like, can you believe my wife did this?

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He's saying, like, how did I not know?

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the thing this movie is getting at that feels.

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they kind of bond and then they make out at one point in a scene that I was

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: really worried was going to happen, did happen.

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was actually kind of happy with how it was executed.

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they kind of executed perfectly.

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly because I think the way Goodrich reacts is like, he's like, dude, my life is literally

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: too insane for this to really be a blip right now.

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: But also is a weird mirror of the Mr. Mom aggressive seduction from all the single moms.

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I think this movie is tapping into, which is kind of interesting.

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's connected to this like guy who only as a second phase, second group of kids, second

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: marriage, late in life, new father can like wake up to is like a kind of guy like this,

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_06]: like boomer who basically has been allowed to float for decades, has just sort of been

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: like propped up by society where like this guy's waking up and he's like, wow, I guess this is

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_06]: insane that I have not paid attention to anything that I've just kind of had.

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I've been on a conveyor belt my whole life and had a very comfortable existence.

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, when people go and they leave and they come, whatever.

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem with this movie is you're kind of, you know, is the classic problem of these

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: L.A. movies really?

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: How much do I have to care about this fucking rich guy like who has a nice house?

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I don't have any money.

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, you have like 18 gallery paintings in your house.

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You like sell one of those.

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You get a cool 50 grand.

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a scene where he gets mad at his twins for flying a drone indoors and like

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: knocking over a Ming vase.

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_06]: But I was like, can we take one more pass at this just to tone this down a little bit?

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_06]: There's gas leak stuff like that.

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's gas leak stuff like there are scenes where you're just like that is an insane

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_06]: way for a person to enter a room speaking where you're like, you know, like,

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_06]: who comes in and defines themselves in one sentence explaining a little much.

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Just yeah, there's there's sloppiness to it.

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_06]: But there are like scenes that are really effective.

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I also think in doing this full sort of like Keaton cataloging, which, by the way,

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_06]: is why I watched her be fully loaded and logged it on Letterboxx.

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_06]: No other not to disappoint anybody.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Like for real, there is no other reason.

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_06]: It's that Keaton has talked about.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_06]: He has this like shot out of a cannon.

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, he's a stand up.

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like part of the fucking Mary Tyler Moore variety show.

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_06]: He's doing like sitcom guest spots.

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Then he gets this like movie star making role in Night Shift.

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, he's the second banana.

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the part that allows him to just be the color and go wild.

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And the movie is a modest hit.

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But people immediately are like, fuck, Michael Keaton.

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_06]: He's hosting SNL.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Mr. Mom.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: He's getting offered leading roles in scripts.

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_06]: He does.

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Mr. Mom.

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Mr. Mom's a big ass hit.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Big cultural movie.

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I think right after Mr.

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Mom, he does Johnny Dangerously, which is his first big flop is a movie that rules.

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And he goes gung ho and she's having a baby.

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_06]: So he has talked about that he had made these three movies in a row and it felt like the

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Michael Keaton type had been established, which is what he calls the like cocky glib

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_06]: young man.

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: This sort of like this on the big picture.

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Wheeler dealer, fast talking, thinking out loud, the sort of like manic hand gestures

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and facial expressions, the swagger, you know, the sort of like confident clumsiness kind

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_06]: of thing.

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And he was like, I have to break out of this now or I'm going to be stuck in this forever.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is when he starts like fucking up his career for the first time because he

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_06]: was so intentional about like, I need to.

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_06]: He failed to do what Tom Hanks did successfully, which is how do I expand this?

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And then like Beetlejuice and Batman are these comeback movies that feel like they've

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_06]: redefined him in a new way.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And then he still doesn't totally know what to do with it.

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_06]: This is like the first time he's kind of done glib young man comedy character, like the

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_06]: classic Michael Keaton archetype.

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I would say I'd say the other guys is doing a version of this.

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_06]: But this is really kind of like a flavor of Keaton that hasn't existed since the 90s.

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And especially because this movie is a little more Brooksy Cameron II, I was ready for him

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_06]: to be in much more dramedy mode.

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was so excited to watch like, as you said, his reaction to Michael Urie scene where

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_06]: he's just like, well, no, I mean, you know, I think I got to tell honestly, you know, I

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_06]: thought do I seem to get it?

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a fan.

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. That stuff is just fucking catnip to me.

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And to see this sort of like this was the final piece of the Michael Keaton comeback legend

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_06]: status era we're in right now is him reclaiming this side of his personality.

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this isn't a film that will, I think, be little seen in film in cinemas.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll probably be.

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a movie to watch on TV.

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that pejoratively.

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying like that's that's the sort of role these kinds of movies occupy.

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Very well on streaming.

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 percent.

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's fine.

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And my mom asked me how the movie was and I was like, you're going to watch it on Netflix

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're going to like this is what I've been saying everyone like it undeniably is

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: effective at what it does.

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's incredibly watch.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's 15 minutes too long.

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is the kind of classic Nancy Meyers problem of just like like you said,

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: just like do we need this thread to we kind of got it already.

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it also like specifically does not know how to successfully juggle time management

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and focus of its threads.

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I think so, too.

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in that you're like in heard from Mila Kunis in a while.

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it just and that's that's sort of like high level invisible filmmaking shit that is

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_06]: hard to like credit why it's working when it works.

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_06]: You take it for granted.

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_06]: But when it doesn't work, you feel it.

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But this movie has a straightforward story that basically follows in a way that Home Again

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't totally Home Again.

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like this character is making odd decisions and I'm kind of here for it because it's demented,

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but it doesn't make it's not very logical.

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I like that.

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_06]: It's also not a like guy solves his life movie.

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's what I really like about it because you're saying the like uncompelling rich

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_06]: people problem shit.

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like the movie.

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I was surprised this was closer to than I expected is Gore Verbinski's The Weatherman,

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_06]: a movie I love that is like for yes, a movie about a guy having a similar kind of like

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_06]: my life's a mess crisis, but is mostly him coming to terms with like I am deeply mediocre.

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He keeps trying to get his life together and it's a movie about a guy being like, oh, I'm

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_06]: not a great man.

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Goodrich.

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's more like he's over the hill.

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not quite that right.

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He's over the hill.

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He's an art dealer and you know, you kind of have to traffic and cool right and like

[01:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: being with it and he you know, he's being able to talk the talk.

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He's an old guy level sort of finesse and everyone's telling him like hey, man, we

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: moved into this neighborhood 40 years ago.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It was cool.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's expensive and bougie.

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't really afford it anymore.

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's this thread of like will he get this sort of big estate sale and

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: that'll save the gallery and learn how to be a father and learn how to save his

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_06]: marriage and be there for Mila Kunis and make up for the lost time.

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_06]: He does.

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like two out of four.

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He like he absolutely learns how to be a better father.

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's mostly learned how to be a little better of a sort of, you know, friend

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and father to Mila Kunis.

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't save the gallery.

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He almost gets it.

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But Carmen, you know, you can see coming because she comes in too early.

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, yeah, this isn't going to work out.

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And instead he has to sort of say goodbye to his career because he's getting old and

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's not going to work for him anymore.

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And he doesn't save his marriage, which is not surprising because that character is not

[01:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: seen in the movie until right.

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: The other scene I really like is the scene with him and Mila Kunis at the gallery after

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_06]: the goodbye party.

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good scene.

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And here's the thing I want to call out.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just an emotionally intelligent scene.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And this isn't even like a faint praise award thing.

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I complain so much about the fucking cinematic language of comedies these days, especially

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_06]: because we get so few of them.

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And especially talking about how fucking unimaginative the the musical numbers in Joker are, how you

[01:49:29] [SPEAKER_06]: feel lack of confidence in Todd Phillips and how to cover those, how to shoot them, how

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: to edit them.

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a movie that like has many sequences that play out in sustained two shots where

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_06]: actors are controlling the rhythm, especially for an actor like Michael Keaton, who in this

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: mode, you kind of want to film like he's Gene Kelly.

[01:49:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Michael Keaton is an actor where he's a full body comedian.

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_06]: His rhythms are so weird.

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_06]: The energy he gets with another actor.

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_06]: If you're shooting that and kind of like sitcom coverage, it plays against the magic of

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_06]: what he's delivering.

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And like that Mila Kunis scene largely plays out in like a wide two shot.

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of darkness doesn't have this kind of fucking sitcom coverage that I hate, which, by

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_06]: the way, is also like detrimental to movies that are made on more limited budgets like

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_06]: this because studios aren't supporting Nancy could get away with doing a film like this because

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_06]: she has four days for every scene or whatever.

[01:50:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And these movies, you're like they're probably shooting four scenes a day.

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_06]: It is actually just smart.

[01:50:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I think this movie looks good.

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_06]: It has actual choices about like color and lighting and there's some blocking.

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some there's some blocking the sequences where it's like, oh, there's a big pillar

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: between them.

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_06]: There's like nighttime shit where they're only like lit by the reflection of like the moon.

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_06]: It looks fine.

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I like I was like there's some actual like sort of like growth happening here cinematically

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_06]: that also looks different from either of her parents movies is its own thing.

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like just very satisfied by this.

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It is like a gentleman six.

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_06]: With a couple like incredibly locked in performances and and some stuff that is deranged and totally

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_06]: doesn't work.

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben, what was your thoughts on Goodrich?

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So gentle.

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Just nice.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a comfy movie.

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You were leaning back.

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Taking it in.

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Shedding tears.

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I shed some tears.

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_03]: The like art world sort of stuff.

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like maybe we could have dug in more or something like I felt like there was comedy

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: there to be mind.

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, like Paul was being a partner.

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_06]: You're like, oh, these two guys together.

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_06]: This feels like a good pairing.

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And as Marie said, he's like just kind of there doesn't really do anything.

[01:51:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: There's just some stuff that just felt like they it was just very surface level.

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like the classic rom-com thing of like your rich characters either like work

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_06]: in architecture and art gallery or like the two go tos.

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like you always land on those two.

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And to have Hallie Meyer Shire after like Home Again is about like my divorced parents

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_06]: were very successful filmmakers.

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_06]: This time she's trying to get away from filmmaking and the best she can land on is like art gallery.

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Which is a I would say a profession that is weirdly overrepresented in film relative

[01:52:30] [SPEAKER_06]: to how many people do it in the world.

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course.

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm always a big proponent of like if you just give your character an interesting

[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_06]: job that is not in movies very often, you're already gaining points from that versus art gallery.

[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like kind of a placeholder.

[01:52:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The times we see him be a dad to the twins, it's basically dropping them off at school

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and then dealing with them at home before he goes out.

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Making them lunches and stuff.

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought this movie was going to be more prestige old dogs than it is.

[01:53:01] [SPEAKER_03]: There's just there needed to be more just something else.

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's there's there's the risk with kid characters.

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like how much time do you want to spend with these kind of cutesy kid character?

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like it's like you can get a little totally.

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It just it felt, you know, very surface level.

[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree.

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I also the scene where he has to explain rehab to them is like the one that feels the most

[01:53:23] [SPEAKER_06]: effective and you're like this guy's figuring out his own language to actually relate to them.

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You know?

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's got it's got good pieces.

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Mila's character just is like so barely anything.

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like they had her for 10 days and all her scenes are her walking in.

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, well, I just don't know what to do because I have this relationship with my dad.

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like she's kind of like you say, kind of explaining herself.

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Truly feels like they could have shot her out in a week if they busted their ass.

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just weird because it feels like that would be the character that would be the one that she would she would want to dig in the most.

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Look to Marie's point about it being interesting that the film is not from the vantage point of the character that is seemingly based on the filmmaker.

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Lorraine's Farias the meddler.

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Great movie.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's a similar dramedy tone, but where you're like, oh, Sarandon really is the lead of this.

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Rose Byrne is clearly playing a stand in character for her and her relationship with her mother.

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But the movie is from the vantage point of the mother.

[01:54:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And it feels interesting to see someone make a film about their experiences and their relationships and not set it from their perspective.

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_06]: But in that movie, I think Rose Byrne feels like a fully realized person.

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Is a more successful version of this movie in general.

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I would agree.

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Meddler's a better movie.

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a good director.

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like she's having a baby.

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And the scene is so much more about Keaton's character.

[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But at his experience.

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of liked that in that there's just so many movies where they're like, and now we end with the big baby sequence.

[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, no, no.

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: She's actually going to be fine.

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She has figured her shit out.

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Does she have a complicated relationship with her dad?

[01:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But she knows that.

[01:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's only mad at herself for kind of like letting him in more.

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he lets her down a little bit and she's sad about it.

[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, she's going to have the baby.

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: She found her person.

[01:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's nice.

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice scene where he calms her down.

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a senior entertainment writer.

[01:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think he's a bit of a dork?

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's such a fucking dork.

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He's such a huge dork.

[01:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was, I was on Keaton's side.

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: In a sweet way.

[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Keaton's like, fuck this guy.

[01:55:32] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's such a fucking dork.

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and yes, no, it's more about him, which you're right.

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That it's a bit of a choice to be like, yeah, this is a Michael Keaton character movie, not

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a, um, Mila Kunis.

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And you'd think Holly Meyer share would, would want it to be a Mila Kunis movie more.

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not mad about it though.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause we're trying to, you know, be somewhat vague.

[01:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_06]: The, we've spoiled the basic things.

[01:55:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I do just feel like the line he has at the end.

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Which I, Marie and I felt like it's an ambitious swing.

[01:56:04] [SPEAKER_06]: She's looking for a big iconic, a sort of Jerry Maguire ask.

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_06]: What is the one sentence this guy can say that is an emotional gut punch.

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's, it's an ambitious line.

[01:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you hear it and you're like, that's a wild choice.

[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the movie doesn't quite pull it off, but I also don't want to spoil it because

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_06]: your mileage may vary and your mileage is going to be based on you not knowing what the line

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_06]: is.

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There is the very LA scenes that are just like fun little moments.

[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The nightclub.

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The nightclub.

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And the class.

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the nightclub.

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted, I just wanted more.

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause Keaton's good at reacting to that.

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_06]: He like.

[01:56:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.

[01:56:48] [SPEAKER_06]: His reaction shots during Karman Njogo's performance.

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Incredible.

[01:56:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Unbelievable.

[01:56:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that.

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think.

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I go to like any feminist art night I can find.

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that played the most for the most laughs.

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:57:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the biggest laugh, uh, the entire screening we went to was, uh, I'm a senior entertainment

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_06]: writer.

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, of course that the, the audience, the film, the, uh, critic screening audience really

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: laughed at that one.

[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Also speaking to how underdeveloped that character is, it's like 40 minutes in.

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_06]: She like yells what her job is for the first time and then basically never comes up again.

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I understand she's on leave.

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Why are you talking?

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You're a great writer.

[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll write a profile or you want, you'll quit whatever.

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just already be on leave.

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't really figure that out.

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Like the job thing like doesn't.

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, uh, apparently Jackie Sandler's in this movie.

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you spot her?

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_06]: The, who's the daughter or the wife?

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Jackie Titone?

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Sandler?

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm looking on Wikipedia right now.

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me look on IMDb.

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Sadie Sandler's the, right.

[01:57:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He's got two daughters, but she's on IMDb.

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe, uh, okay.

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was cut out.

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was cut out.

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of comedy people in this.

[01:57:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[01:57:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Did Chloe Trost play?

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Chloe Trost is, uh, at, at the bar when he goes to the feminist night.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh huh.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_06]: She's the one who sells him the ticket.

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that scene was kind of funny.

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_06]: She's kind of funny in it.

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a classic Keaton scene because right.

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He just brings a little spice to it.

[01:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, she's like, it's $20 or 25 online.

[01:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I'm right here.

[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm right here.

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's 20.

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_06]: He made that funny.

[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_06]: That fucking rhythm of Keaton dialogue is, is just like, it will never not satisfy me.

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to do the box office game for Joker Folly Ado?

[01:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Box office game.

[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What about it, Ben?

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What about it?

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.

[01:58:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Sponsored by our friends at Regal Cinemas.

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Our fine friends at Regal Cinemas!

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Whoa!

[01:58:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It's time to put a crown upon the box office game.

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We love to play the box office game, of course, but it is so exciting.

[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very exciting.

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That we are sponsored by Regal.

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_06]: We love the movies and we love theatrical movie going.

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And we're very excited to be entering a very nice friendship with Regal that is all in the name of trying to support and endorse the idea of going to the movies.

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Joker.

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll do the Joker Folly Ado, the now notorious Joker Folly Ado opening weekend.

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's laugh.

[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No Joker popcorn bucket.

[01:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: No Goodrich popcorn bucket.

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're kidding me.

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_06]: What would that look like?

[01:59:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But Regal has an excellent Venom bucket, which they did send us.

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_06]: To Marie's point, we have to acknowledge.

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_06]: What would the Goodrich bucket be though?

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_06]: What would the Goodrich bucket be?

[01:59:33] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good question.

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like genuinely.

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Is there like a definitive prop in Goodrich?

[01:59:39] That's such a good one.

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you can think about it.

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_06]: The bucket I would want is clearly like a version of the Deadpool bucket, but just with Michael Keaton's face.

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want that bucket.

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, the original Joker 2019 Joker opened to $96 million and made 335 domestic and a billion worldwide.

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Her pregnant belly.

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Very convincing.

[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Then.

[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_06]: There, uh, no, you're saying that should be the bucket?

[02:00:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Um.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: That's another weird thing is at the beginning of the movie, his wife, like the movie cold opens on him getting called from his wife.

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Who's like, I left for rehab.

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gone for 90 days.

[02:00:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I have a pill addiction.

[02:00:17] [SPEAKER_06]: How did you not notice?

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_06]: It would be impossible to track the passage of time for this in this movie other than Mila Kunis's belly where you're just like, oh, two months have passed.

[02:00:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So Joker one opened very high.

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a very good Reddit thread there.

[02:00:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I give them credit r slash blankies about how Joker two is falls into the rare category of the inverse of my favorite kind of box office stat.

[02:00:39] Okay.

[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it will almost make less.

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It will 100% certainly make less than the prior films opening weekend alone.

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's entire run.

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It happened a few times.

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, also the looking glass is the other big example.

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Another big one.

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So Joker, Folly Adieu.

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think originally they were probably hoping for like, hey, maybe we'll open like Joker.

[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it became like, well, it's probably going to get like 60, 70 mil.

[02:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it became like, oh, well, we're shooting for 50 mil.

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it became like, it looks like it's going to be 40 mil.

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it became, it came in at 37 mil.

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_06]: It kept going down.

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, David, you're even like, I'm sure their optimism at first was like, does this thing open to like 150?

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_06]: We got Lady Gaga.

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_06]: First one open to like 95 and then won Oscars and also held really well.

[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, yes.

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_06]: It ended up opening way, like basically close to a third of what the first movie.

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, then not that we're doing this box office game, but the next weekend it dropped 81%, essentially a record.

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and, uh, we'll probably not clear like 60 million at the box office.

[02:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I was looking at the list of things that have had worse drops than Folly a Deux.

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And a lot of them are like Fathom event re-releases, which I don't think should count.

[02:01:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Those don't count.

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: One of the only other major studio movies I saw that was still above it is Gigli.

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Gigli, I think is the only one.

[02:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it dropped 82%.

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a very similar kind of thing.

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_06]: It got a D cinema score, which is the worst in the history of comic book movies.

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That means everyone coming out, the average was a D.

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's why it's really hard to go that low on the cinema scores.

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_06]: When a movie gets like a B minus cinema score, they're like, not great.

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Bad word of mouth unless it's a horror movie.

[02:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Joker, Folly a Deux number one.

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What's number two, Griffin?

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you saw it.

[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Number two at the box office isn't Transformers 1.

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that is number four at the box office.

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_06]: A film I saw.

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And you did like.

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Quite good.

[02:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you will love.

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't wait to watch it.

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Is the real, would have been your favorite movie as a 10 year old?

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't wait to watch it probably on streaming.

[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You will watch it.

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I'm busy right now.

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I believe his movie I've not yet seen because I was traveling and I'm now trying to time

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_06]: out taking my little cousins to see it is The Wild Robot.

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The Wild Robot at number two, which is chugging along healthfully got good reviews.

[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, small drops animated film front runner for the year.

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: People love it.

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: A triumph.

[02:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen it yet, though.

[02:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The Wild Robot number two, Transformers 1 number four, sandwich in between them, Griffin.

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the big success stories of the fall.

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Beetlejuice, Michael Keaton, hot Keaton fall.

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is digitally available to rent and buy right now or at least rent and outgrossed Joker

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Foglia Deux in the next weekend.

[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker's second weekend with its historic drop.

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Seven million dollars.

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Seven million dollars.

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: On like Monday or Tuesday, they amended the numbers and said it actually was even worse

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_06]: than we thought.

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And Beetlejuice is ahead of it.

[02:03:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Beetlejuice is like fucking staying in there.

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's number three.

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Transformers 1 number four.

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Number five is a horror remake that did pretty well.

[02:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a horror remake that did pretty well.

[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about the actor on this episode.

[02:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The star.

[02:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I assume neither of us have seen it?

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not seen it.

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you've seen it either.

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a horror remake that did pretty well.

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Of a franchise or of a single film?

[02:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a single film and it's a remake of a single film.

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: A foreign horror film.

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's Speak No Evil.

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Speak No Evil.

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I feel people like as well.

[02:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard mixed to positive things about it.

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The movie it's remaking was one of those Sundance movies where people were like,

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, good tension.

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last act is the most unspeakable shit you've ever seen.

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just kind of like, I'll catch up to it.

[02:04:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Our friend Sean Fentessy was posting about this.

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I found it kind of fascinating.

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Was doing a sort of like check in on the year of horror.

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And for a while it was like you could release any shitty horror movie in theaters.

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It would open to 15 20 ish range like as a basement and basically get to 50 million dollars.

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Speak No Evil is kind of like I think is the fourth highest grossing horror film of the year.

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's at like mid to high 30s.

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's made like 35.

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_06]: There is a tier of like Alien Romulus, which I think counts.

[02:04:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It counts.

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Long Legs.

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's one other one.

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, Quiet Place.

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Those are the three that like really crossed over.

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Then there's a huge gulf.

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Everything then is like the 30 range is like Night Swim, Abigail, you know, like movies in

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_06]: their 20s or 30s.

[02:05:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And then he's like, but then the other chunk of it is the amount of like IFC Midnight films

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_06]: that made it to 10.

[02:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can make a decent amount of money on your tiny movie like you're in a violent nature.

[02:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That like the middle of horror is kind of shrinking.

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: But the low end of horror is growing.

[02:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And let's say the thing that beat Joker in its second weekend was fucking Terrifier 3,

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: which in its opening weekend made more than the entire lifetime grosses of Terrifier 1 and

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_06]: 2 combined by a multiple.

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Um.

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like an insane homegrown phenomenon.

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I will not see Terrifier 3 anytime soon just because those movies are very like seem very

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: long and punishing.

[02:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been meaning to kind of like dip my toe into that world.

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my thing.

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: There's plenty that's like check it out.

[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we need to know?

[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll get to it.

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Um.

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: My friend Andrew is sort of one of my big horror movie friends who's been like pushing

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: it for me, but I don't know.

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Tarot.

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Tarot.

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe you watched Tarot.

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I basically in the throes of like really early parenting these twins, I was like,

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: look, I cannot get outside to see movies, so I'll just catch up on any 2024 movies that

[02:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I can just watch on streaming right now.

[02:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Tarot was one of them.

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What else was in that pool?

[02:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can tell you.

[02:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Young Woman in the Sea, which.

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe I still haven't seen it.

[02:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to watch that.

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It was on Disney Plus.

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Wolves.

[02:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Spaceman.

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[02:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I really wanted to vibe with more, but like other things I liked about it.

[02:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched like Will and Harper, like, you know, stuff that's on.

[02:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Abigail.

[02:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Undeniably effective.

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Abigail, I wish worked better.

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's stuff in it.

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: There's stuff.

[02:06:32] [SPEAKER_06]: But it doesn't.

[02:06:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I've seen chunks of Abigail where I was like, is this thing about to start like

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_06]: rocking the house?

[02:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Sol Barrera kind of drags it down a little bit.

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't dislike her always, but.

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Catherine is sort of incredible in it.

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I liked, you know, I liked Dan Stevens.

[02:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Stevens as fun.

[02:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Being a guy.

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Lisa Frankenstein, which I wanted to like more.

[02:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't really dig.

[02:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched The Idea of You, which is like, that's like gas flood cinema.

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Where you're like, what is anyone doing in this movie?

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched Mean Girls, which I thought was pretty bad.

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But, but Connor?

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's great.

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the thing with Mean Girls is you're like, oh, the dialogue's the same as Mean

[02:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Girls.

[02:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just Mean Girls again.

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of the supporting actors are the same.

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they do these songs that are like fine.

[02:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just weird.

[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: But also you're going to like have them wear the same outfits, largely.

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_06]: What the fuck is going on?

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And basically like, yeah.

[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Beekeeper, liked.

[02:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I still need to see Beekeeper.

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Monkey Man, appreciated the ambition.

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't really work for me.

[02:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I loved it.

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Things like that.

[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, but at least it's a good like proof of concept for him to be Bond.

[02:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Bond.

[02:07:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree.

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he's compelling.

[02:07:39] [SPEAKER_06]: My single biggest thing walking away from it was like, yeah, let fucking Dev do shit

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like this.

[02:07:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Um.

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I would be so ecstatic.

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just waiting for the Bond announcement to be something that I roll my eyes at.

[02:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it'll be.

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He's maybe the only one who would excite me.

[02:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It won't be.

[02:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It won't be him.

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He's too, he's kind of too famous.

[02:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like late night with the devil.

[02:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the substance had a really violent.

[02:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously.

[02:08:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Substance is still like having very small drops.

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, uh, substance will probably outgross the third weekend of Joker.

[02:08:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's six week now.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, substance rules.

[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's an interesting time for horror.

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, that's all the box office game.

[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We've also got a Deadpool and Wolverine still hanging out.

[02:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You got white bird, a wonder story finally out in theaters.

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You can go see it if you want to.

[02:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the substance, as you mentioned, Megalopolis, uh, chugging along.

[02:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We forgot to really talk about that.

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Have you, you still have not seen it, right?

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: No, that's why I would have brought it up otherwise.

[02:08:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I couldn't see it cause I had to see people were asking why we weren't combining Joker

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_06]: with Megalopolis or doing a Megalopolis.

[02:08:45] [SPEAKER_06]: That's my thing.

[02:08:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, what are you talking about?

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Get out of here.

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we'll get to that.

[02:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I, I, I, I'll put it this way.

[02:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I unequivocally enjoyed watching Megalopolis in a way I did not with Joker.

[02:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh.

[02:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I, I felt a lot more tapped into what he was trying to do.

[02:08:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I could not argue it totally works.

[02:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I was compelled by every second of it.

[02:09:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I found it very watchable.

[02:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think for the Goodrich weekend, Goodrich probably not popping on that top five.

[02:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have Smile 2, which I am hearing is pretty good.

[02:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard that it's secretly about trauma.

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, um, Terrifier 3 will still be up there.

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild Robot will still be up there.

[02:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine Beetlejuice Beetlejuice will still be up there.

[02:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think very likely still in the five.

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And Joker probably won't be.

[02:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if there's anything else that sneaks in, if there's anything.

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What else is coming out this week?

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I, I mean, the question is Goodrich.

[02:09:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Where I, which I'm just like, I, I do feel like the awareness is very low on the movie.

[02:09:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be good.

[02:09:39] [SPEAKER_06]: He's hosting SNL this weekend, which I'm very excited about.

[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that.

[02:09:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It will have, I guess, just happened when this episode comes out.

[02:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, oh my God.

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What else is coming out this week?

[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I just sent you a link in your text message.

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Wait a second.

[02:09:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Not at the box office, but on our computer screens.

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: What?

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Wait a second.

[02:09:58] [SPEAKER_06]: These are T-shirts.

[02:10:00] [SPEAKER_06]: New merch drop.

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And kind of not even that, just a new era for merch.

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We have changed our sort of storefront, right?

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a new provider of merch, Kinship Goods.

[02:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, we've been making a lot of changes.

[02:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I think most of them are things that you might not even notice as a listener of the show.

[02:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And the ones you do notice will hopefully be just entirely positive for you.

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a lot of stuff going on this year, especially this summer, especially as David

[02:10:27] [SPEAKER_06]: was also in prep daddy duty.

[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm still going through a lot of stuff, just to be clear.

[02:10:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course.

[02:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[02:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Where our heads were down and we were not communicating a lot of things.

[02:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think people were worried like, do they just not give a shit about the podcast anymore?

[02:10:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And in fact, the opposite.

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_06]: We have all been going...

[02:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Very much give a shit about this podcast.

[02:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: We've been really actually burning the midnight oil, trying to do a bunch of stuff.

[02:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Very excited leading into our 10th anniversary in March.

[02:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We have some really exciting things coming up for next year.

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: We have...

[02:10:54] [SPEAKER_06]: In every area.

[02:10:55] [SPEAKER_06]: We got a lot of stuff we're planning.

[02:10:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We're excited about what's on the schedule.

[02:10:58] [SPEAKER_06]: We're excited about things we're doing outside of the show.

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And the new merch, we're doing with Kinship Goods.

[02:11:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Correct.

[02:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: If you are a podcast fan, you might be familiar with them already because of their incredible

[02:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: work doing merch with the Doughboys, the Action Boys, 3Dum, Stay at Homekins.

[02:11:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And they are now going to be the exclusive home of Blank Check merchandise.

[02:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And so for our first batch of products, we have three t-shirts.

[02:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing a limited edition print of our Twin Peaks designed by Joe Bowen.

[02:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We also have the hashtag to two friends sort of referencing the Pep Boys type of design.

[02:11:38] [SPEAKER_06]: We previously only had that on a hat.

[02:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: We're doing it as a shirt now.

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: We have...

[02:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of a big deal.

[02:11:44] [SPEAKER_06]: The debut of Checky.

[02:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The first ever Checky merch.

[02:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[02:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[02:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he'll have something to say about that.

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We also have some cool stickers and a hat with the logo as well as a reprint of the

[02:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: clap board.

[02:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[02:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a very popular tote bag.

[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: On a canvas tote bag.

[02:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll have plenty more deliveries coming up in the future.

[02:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: This is the first phase.

[02:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: But we got some more stuff coming.

[02:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: We got big ambitions.

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_06]: We love Kinship Goods.

[02:12:15] [SPEAKER_06]: They've been really fun to work with.

[02:12:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.

[02:12:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Excited about this.

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: So...

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Excited about the more stuff coming?

[02:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to try and really work towards throughout the year trying to every few months,

[02:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: quarterly, whatever, let's not over promise, but try to be more regular with offering limited

[02:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: edition and just cool new products.

[02:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, we...

[02:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to do some big emotional thing.

[02:12:41] [SPEAKER_06]: 500 episodes.

[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: As we said, the Joker episode was almost exactly five years ago.

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Around that time, we decided we wanted to go independent.

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Stake out on our own.

[02:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Give this a shot.

[02:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And some things happened in the world.

[02:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: True.

[02:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And basically immediately concurrent with that decision.

[02:12:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, and the whole process of us figuring out how to make the show independently became,

[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, difficult.

[02:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And, and for a long time, it was just like just figuring out enough to keep the show coming

[02:13:08] [SPEAKER_06]: out every week to keep it afloat, all these things.

[02:13:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's been a lot of trial and error.

[02:13:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And it feels like we, uh, after having some time to, to reset, uh, have done some re-strategizing

[02:13:20] [SPEAKER_06]: that I think is going to be really good for the future of the podcast.

[02:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And we'll be reflected in things like the merch and a little more intentionality and regularity

[02:13:27] [SPEAKER_06]: of, of things.

[02:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think for the 10th anniversary, not to call shots before we have them, but that we're

[02:13:32] [SPEAKER_06]: talking about some cool collaborations, some things that might happen to celebrate the

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_06]: 10th anniversary, uh, that hopefully are exciting to people who care about the show.

[02:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so.

[02:13:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I love you guys.

[02:13:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Ben has to sneeze.

[02:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to hold you.

[02:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And please keep listening to our show.

[02:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I have three children now and I need, you know, uh, the support.

[02:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not stress them out, but we,

[02:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: well, maybe let's put a little stress on them.

[02:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's stress them out.

[02:13:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Your support is beyond appreciated.

[02:13:59] [SPEAKER_06]: It's very much.

[02:13:59] [SPEAKER_06]: It is incredible the way we've been able to grow this thing and, and grow it to something

[02:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: that, uh, has, has been able to allow us to hire our friends and work with more and

[02:14:08] [SPEAKER_06]: more people and bring more people into the family of the show.

[02:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's, it's, it's, it's wild.

[02:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I look back on it.

[02:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It's still, it's still kind of boggles the mind.

[02:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: We got good stuff coming up in 2025.

[02:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We got fun stuff coming.

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I think, look, I don't think anyone could possibly guess what's coming up in 2025.

[02:14:24] [SPEAKER_06]: People haven't the faintest clue, but we have stuff on the schedule that I think is like

[02:14:28] [SPEAKER_06]: good shit.

[02:14:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Conceptualizing March Madness, excited about everything.

[02:14:32] [SPEAKER_06]: David needs some sleep.

[02:14:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, sure.

[02:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: What am I going to do?

[02:14:36] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, who do you think sleeps better at this point?

[02:14:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You were the twins.

[02:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I sleep better than the twins.

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I was, I was guessing.

[02:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[02:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[02:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Any other news?

[02:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Good rich.

[02:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Good rich.

[02:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: 500 more episodes.

[02:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm calling it.

[02:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's call it.

[02:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[02:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What should we do for 1000?

[02:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Joker three.

[02:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It comes back.

[02:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It comes back.

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Somehow.

[02:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Somehow.

[02:15:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[02:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see Joker three.

[02:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe an end to automatic sequels.

[02:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that idea.

[02:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that idea of like, right.

[02:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Them being like, I don't care if your movie was the biggest movie of the year.

[02:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I am not sold on just letting you do another one.

[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_06]: We've talked about another Blankshack history thing, but like Tim Burton's plan of the apes

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_06]: being such a big hit and everyone being like, we know we can't make another one that

[02:15:25] [SPEAKER_06]: people will reject it.

[02:15:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it feels like the studios lost sight of that.

[02:15:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And for a while it would work and they could trick people into coming back to sequels to

[02:15:33] [SPEAKER_06]: movies they hate or just didn't really love.

[02:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And it feels like much like Spielberg and Lucas predicted in that fucking interview years

[02:15:41] [SPEAKER_06]: ago.

[02:15:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.

[02:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Where there were like these tentpoles are going to start collapsing and everyone's

[02:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: going to have to rethink the whole business model.

[02:15:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Joker two bombing at this level, I think is good for film.

[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a profound and necessary rejection.

[02:15:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Not like a vindictive way where we feel validated that the sequel movie we didn't like is a

[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: bomb.

[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's take a new approach guys.

[02:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't like it, grab yourself some Blankcheck merch of Kinship Goods.

[02:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: A Law Hammer?

[02:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what they're called?

[02:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A Law Hammer?

[02:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: A gavel.

[02:16:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Grab a gavel.

[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're called Law Hammers.

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And by the way, Blankcheck branded Law Hammers coming to Kinship Good in 2019.

[02:16:21] [SPEAKER_06]: 20, 25?

[02:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And bonk your ass.

[02:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't like it.

[02:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He bonks the judge, but then it's a dream.

[02:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So who cares?

[02:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But isn't it a reference to something or is that Harley that carries the mallet?

[02:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: She often will carry a mallet, but Justin, I think more.

[02:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No, does she do in the cartoons too?

[02:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Both.

[02:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:16:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It was another thing that he kisses Katherine Keener twice that it feels like it's a double beat

[02:16:43] [SPEAKER_06]: where he was just like, I don't know, where does this scene go?

[02:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[02:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's put it in both times.

[02:16:47] [SPEAKER_06]: This movie is so fucking sloppy.

[02:16:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[02:16:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you all for listening.

[02:16:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[02:16:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Please remember to rate, review and subscribe.

[02:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:16:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you to Marie Barty for helping to produce the show and being here for the good chunk

[02:16:58] [SPEAKER_06]: of the episode.

[02:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you to AJ McKeon for editing, being our production coordinator, Leigh Montgomery

[02:17:03] [SPEAKER_06]: the Great American Novel for our theme song, Joe Bowen, Pat Reynolds for our artwork,

[02:17:08] [SPEAKER_06]: JJ Birch for researching the book of law.

[02:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: He was on his own private research project trying to figure out whether or not the Joker

[02:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: was guilty.

[02:17:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's built a compelling case that in fact, the Joker did murder the guy that he murdered

[02:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: on camera.

[02:17:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know where I'm going with this.

[02:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Tune in next week for...

[02:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Lost Highway.

[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_06]: With David Lowery.

[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_06]: David Lowery.

[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Great episode.

[02:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Return to the show.

[02:17:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Great episode.

[02:17:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Back to Lynch, writing us out through the rest of the year.

[02:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Patreon finishing up tabletop games with David's beloved Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among

[02:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Thieves.

[02:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.

[02:17:40] [SPEAKER_06]: As represented by action figures on his desk.

[02:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fun one.

[02:17:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a fun one.

[02:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Having a great time.

[02:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And as always...

[02:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Should we announce though?

[02:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[02:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait.

[02:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Or should we just tell them?

[02:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just say it.

[02:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[02:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Next Patreon series, Andrew Lloyd Webber, baby.

[02:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Four musicals that are filmed.

[02:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like musicals.

[02:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Superstar.

[02:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Evita, Phantom of the Opera.

[02:18:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And we're ending the year on cats.

[02:18:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And cats.

[02:18:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Cats, baby.

[02:18:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Cats.

[02:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Cats.

[02:18:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It's gonna be good.

[02:18:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And as always, it is worth calling out that both Joker Faliadeur and Goodrich end with

[02:18:16] [SPEAKER_06]: covers of Daniel Johnson's True Love Will Find You in the End.

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_06]: These two movies both end with the same fucking song.

[02:18:25] [SPEAKER_06]: At very different interpretations.

[02:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: To different effect.

[02:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: At very different meanings.

[02:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.