Judging The Judge

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Judged Judge, Judged Judge, Judged Judge, Judged Judge

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Judged Judge, He is down to junior!

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's my son!

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We fight all our lives!

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We use the song, but!

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he makes out with his daughter and wife, shit off my legs!

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Judging The Judge, Judged Judge,

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Court is in order.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: My friends?

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Order, uh, what come to order?

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Come to order, or rise, or all rise for judging the judge.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: This is episode one of Judging Episode one of one.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This of course is Griffin David presents what has now been revealed American Horror Story

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Style to be an anthology series.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a real, this is an American Horror Story, what we're doing?

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: This is American Horror Story, Colen the Judge.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: This is Judging The Judge, we're going to discuss the movie, The Judge.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Griffin, I'm David Sims.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So this was, you know, we did 10 episodes, 11 if you covered it up.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and that's the commentary episode, which thank you to everyone who listened.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea why.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you listened yet?

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried it with so, so, so trying.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen to us just a rambal to each other in a hot room.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a point where you're trying to get me to tell you how much money I'm making.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, that was a good idea.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a terrible piece of content.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That was great, that was one of my better ideas.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: What are you making? What do you make?

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you to everyone who listened and hatched,

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I did, I have no idea why.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You're all crazy.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Funny sidebar story, I did, I had a comedy show last night.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And guess who came was in the audience?

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert DeVo.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: My old friend Molly from middle school.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And in one of my jokes, I invoke the name of someone else who went to middle school

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: where and she was like that was really funny when you used her name.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, thank you, and she's like, thank God, you don't make me jokes about me.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, don't listen.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to start a lot of it.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Poor Molly.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Molly, Molly, Molly, Molly, Molly.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And how's she doing?

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: She's doing great.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: She's my oldest friend.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen her in a while, but she's, I've known her since I was like two or three.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You doxed her as they say on that episode.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what?

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know it's Molly Sims, your sister.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Molly isn't Molly Sims like a mattress.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Molly.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Were clearly the one who was on boss biggest?

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We're clearly avoiding talking about the movie that we've selected today for obvious reasons.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's so different than you said.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say, like, because I had never seen this film.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Fans demanded it.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We remember all those things.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you had fans to manage.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We were indated.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I just pushed this thing up and held people wanted it so badly.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Stores episode 1.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the 10 highest grossing films of all time.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you follow that up with?

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The judge.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the next Oscar nominated.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Two hour 22 minute drama.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: 24teen.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: David Dobgins.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: The judge.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, many for one Academy Award.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: One Academy Award.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, get to.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know,

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: recently discovered that there was a sequel to Star Wars episode 2.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So, judging the judge was a getting about it.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Attack of the clown.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Attack of the clown.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the next week.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's next week.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You guys want to hear about attacking the clowns?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Two and next week.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you're stuck with us.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about the judge.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do 10 episodes on the judge.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just one because we got to get to attack the clown.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We did have 10 episodes planned.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: There's enough time in the judge to do 10 episodes for you.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think-

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about material, but there is time.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Literal time in this movie.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my greater concern is we only have so many listeners.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We can afford to hemorrhage per episode.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know about that.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, imagine.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: If we do judging the judge every episode will lose another 15 loyal listeners.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the commentary already, that already cut into things better.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So it would leave us with negative 2,000 listeners.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: If we be paying robots to listen to our shows, that would be saying-

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: In the end zone.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The judge.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, L judge.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Judging the judge.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we said, why do you get on the judge?

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it just because I made a Robert Duval joke in the first episode of this podcast?

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you gotta see this fucking movie.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't understand how crazy it is.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to start the judge 24-

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Robert Downey Jr. is one of my favorite actors.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a huge soft spot for him.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Same here.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Same here.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I, you know when I was a kid and he was an Allen McBeal.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I just loved him.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always-

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always-

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I always beg a lie.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go right ahead.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just unrap it as much as possible right next to the microphone.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've always loved him.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: This sounds like-

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I love-

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I love DJ.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Love-

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: DJ.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And uh-

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: This I am a film and television critic for the Atlantic.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I am invited to press screenings of all major releases.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was invited to see the judge.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Robert Downey Jr. news the star of it.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And he never makes movies anymore.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He makes Marvel movies and like nothing else.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I check that the running time is an hour-

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, sorry, it's 145 minutes basically.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I refused to go.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was my experience of the judge before last night.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you are covered in scallion cream cheese right now.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's disgusting.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: My mustache has made my love of bagels and cream cheese very definitely.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Because now I just always got-

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like I got seam in him face.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Griffin has a big wishy mustache for the role he's currently playing on HBO's Rock and Roll.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Salary, undisclosed.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I had a somewhat experienced, too.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Robert Downey.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I love him.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: When did you fall in love with Robert?

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I really do think it was, uh, Adam, Alima Kbeel for me.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I was a little too young for his first wife.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No, the moment I remember really falling in love with him was weird because it's a small part

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but both finger.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's great in both finger.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, that's true.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's when he was mired in the drug use and the personal problems like both

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: finger, Wonder Boys.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He's giving these really fun supporting performances.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, he's just not figured his life out yet.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He's putting a lot of spice on the side dish.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I love him in both finger to love that man.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just remember because he was so much a part of the news and I was like a kid who

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: like wants another fucking pop-club stuff and make easy jokes about it.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me too.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So like the meme was just like this guy's a disaster.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna die.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He's showing up on lawns.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing crazy shit.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember seeing him in that movie and like being prepared to like make jokes about how

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: bad and drugged out he was to get easy laughs out of my parents.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like, well, this guy's really good.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't reconcile that with the cultural narrative that is being presented to me.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He was someone I think, you know, and still is someone with just such bottomless charm on screen

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that like he just holds the camera really well no matter what crappy part or what

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: crappy lines he has.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's even as low as points.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember his inside the actor studio episode.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He talks very openly about like the waves of his addiction and how it coincides with that.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And he says when in his career is that episode.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it's maybe like Kiss Kiss Bing Bang.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's a master piece and one of my favorite movies on the man but hasn't become

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: or if you guys have become the star.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest movie star in the world.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, for sure.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: If you ask me, I would say the thing he's probably the highest paid movie star right now.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think the most bankable.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: If you ask me to to anoint the King Queen of Hollywood.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll make a lot of money.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Who?

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But the judge didn't do very well.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is what we're getting to.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: If you ask me the King Queen of Hollywood are our down junior and

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I'm sure you're going to be a big fan of the movie star.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they're two people at the top of the heat.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, right now.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Really have the public in the palm of their hands.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They've got big franchises.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're talking people.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in franchises.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They're big movie stars and respect.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I like them.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also respected serious act.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not just movie stars.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Lawrence has an Oscar.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is getting to our big point here.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Johnny, Jane, nominated twice.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Is viewed as an inevitable?

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think so?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he made some more movies.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his first Oscar comes when he's 24.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: His nomination.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He means for a chaplain.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, his first nomination.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He's very young in chaplain.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's when he was being touted as this like,

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, look at this guy.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the next pick up.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: What's he, you know, he's in like,

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Aroamerica.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He's in less than zero.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do to the whole round team films?

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's got supporting part and weird signs on SNL for a season.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, you know, quick back story.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But his father is like,

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Tony.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's glorious sort of like counter cultural.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Guns, uh, comedy side of the scene.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to see put on your spoke.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's incredible movie.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: My dad's favorite movie of all time.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Such a good movie.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um it's it's an awesome awesome movie and he's a great guy also.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's also.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Notoriously lunatic.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And dien Jr. was the product of a that man and a French owner who he fell in love with

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and cast a lot of his films.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and grew up in a household where he was surrounded by all these sort of like counter cultural.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: fuck the man.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to play by the rules.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sending like such a grandpa describing this.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Artists, right?

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, California surrounded by these sorts of people

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: who were obsessive in their work.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was kind of ignored a little.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I think he started using drugs every young age.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He said, yes.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: First on screen performance I think was in

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Dynastine, yours pound when he was like four or five.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And his first line is, what you don't think I got here in my balls.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, I think that says a lot about

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: his relationship to his father is like he had to be in his dad's

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're saying I think it was in a proper way for a kid like that.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he said first one of pot when he was like seven or eight.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something like that.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like lying around.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was the, yeah, he was like, I think he said some guy literally

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: handed him one.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to try this.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And so like he was very much the product of his surrounding.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All this stuff was available to him.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He saw these adults using these things and recreational ways.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, inhibiting unleashing the full potential their creativity.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There was no stigma around doing this and he very much was a gateway drug for him

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and he very quickly went fully spinning out of control.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So even by the time he is like 17 18 and he's in less than zero, which

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: was a big performance up put him on the map playing a dude who

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: in the pickup part is same year.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Is like, you know, a brilliant charismatic wise beyond his years.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Young man who is clearly falling prey to his own self-destructive

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: devices, you know, who like may not make it.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: There's already life imitating art and vice versa.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's an narrative for me young in Hollywood of like, oh, but this is

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: where's it?

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And where's it again?

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the second youngest cast member in us and I'll ever hear Anthony Michael

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Hall get on.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He does one season on the show.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he yeah, he's pretty quickly and we'll be star air America.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, so this chaplain shortcuts, you know, a natural

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: born killer.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just to an altman film everything.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But chaplains are big one.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You're playing Charlie Chaplains.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge kick.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a tall order.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to play Charlie Chaplains.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to recreate chaplains, but he does a beautiful, I mean the physical

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: quality is insane that.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a good movie though.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a good movie.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very aggressively mediocre.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's Richard and Bert County.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's super bland.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But he was a great performance and everyone goes Jesus Christ.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: How this guy pulled off.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy, the generation.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And proceeds to, you know, they kind of try to push him into a movie star.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He does some romantic comedies, none of them really work.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's following more and more prey to his dick.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He can't even talk about it.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, home for holidays, which on that episode of Inside the Actor Studio, he refers

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to as the most relaxed performance in the history of film because of how much hair

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: when he was on.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so alive.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And he said like, Jodie Foster would come in and be like, I know that no one calls

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you out on this because you're still able to deliver but I will not let you behave

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this way.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And was like, is it affected my performance?

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, it's not.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, the most fucking problem.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He sounds like a really nice guy too.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Was really, you know, struck.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like two girls in a guy too.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember it's not a good movie but it's kind of a fun movie.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jimmie Tobacco.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is that?

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also out of his mind.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The most tobacco and filmmaker.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know that James Tobacco interviews will say, I think it's probably the most

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: purely tobacco in of my films.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it's career-based glispy roles for years and years and years.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He keeps like he's in US marshals.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's in the gingerbread man.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's in both, you know, like he keeps having these kind of cool supporting roles.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, right?

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's out of his mind.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He gets on Alemek Biel.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to be like, here's a seven-grace.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So he blew it as a movie start.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: At this point doing TV is very much considered a lesser art form.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't cross the real Grande line.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: If you punch up the TV, you don't get to go back down.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes back to TV.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But on the fourth season of Alemek Biel, this is not even like a, you know,

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: he's dropping into an established out show.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But they tailor make this role for him.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's destroyed.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is funny because he talks about it.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I was just out of my mind.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what was doing it.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he has no memory of being good on that show.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was supposed to be like he's going to prove himself.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to show up on time every day on a TV show, which is long hours hard work.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm getting paid and I'm disclosed amount to do it.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a very demanding situation.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to open in.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to do nine months a year and then maybe then.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And at the time because like a movie star had not gone down to TV, there weren't

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that many instances of it.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of critics were like this is the best performance in the history.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people people were all over the world.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: People were all over the world.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but people were like this is we have never seen this quality of work on time.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You want to go and globe.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm a for Nemi.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very nice job.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's fired by the end of that show.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he can't show up or whatever.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, they found him.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's a big turning point early.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the 2000's, 2002, 2003 maybe.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Ravdan Jr is given like a helmet press.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He finally so bears up.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Get to take it and read all about that.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think he's talked about a lot.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to go into but yeah, he finally.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he goes to rehab at takes.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He meets a woman.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think who well, this is the most straightener.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No, not yet.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: This that's what I want to build up to here.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He gets on the straightener of first.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He sort of finds new focus as life comes very health.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Crays spiritually makes an indeticive.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think that's his first kind of like back in the world.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was Mel Gibson, a man clearly has similar struggles.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Went to bat for him.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They had done their America together and he said, no one else will hire you.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: No one else will ensure you.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the big thing with a movie for you.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he could be in charity.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He was on insurable.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: They need to take out an insurance bond to prove that the actor is not going to die before

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you're filming because then you throw away the home.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Or in the case of Fast and Furious 7, Furious 7, you spend like an additional 80 million

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: dollars.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: CGI.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The insurance.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but it was a belabor thing.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He can't get insured.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Mel Gibson puts up the insurance bond because he believes this guy needs a chance.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But the movie doesn't do very well and no one can not have bad movie.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's great.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen the gambon any of going?

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: At this point.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got the same situation.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the one, David.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Got the cause we're lead the turning point.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a good movie.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: A terrible film.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think he was also struggle to insure.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you, you, you, you.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was his first like big studio sort of back on the straightener.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He has a small part.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You thought really hard to get it.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: On that film, there was a woman producing it whose last name I don't.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Susan something.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She married.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She was Joel Silver.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you wait Hollywood producer?

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Producer.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The diehard films.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The Matrix.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The Predator.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Tons of stuff.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Hudsucker proxy.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite films of all time.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's mostly a big action director.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And he started to do more sort of horror, producer.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm more, more horror genre, a little bit stuff when that started to hit big.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Gothka Halle Berry put in it.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: They give him this small role.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The legend goes that this woman Susan who was originally his assistant moves up to being

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: a producing partner with him is on the set with him.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: A one day turns to down a junior and says, I don't get it.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Why aren't you the biggest star in the world?

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, well, I thought it's a struggle in this and that.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, but you're got it together now.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it feels like you really got it together.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not temporary thing.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I don't know how to do it.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And she makes it her life's mission to make Robert D'Anne Jr., the star.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: She believes he was always intent to be.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They also fall in love.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's quite a story.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: She becomes Susan Downey, which is why we don't remember her last night.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Downey PGA.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: She's in the credit to the judge.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And she very quickly gets Joel Silver to...

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Kiske's Bayingman?

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which is a pretty special.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good thing.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Black, remote, some of Joel Silver's biggest.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like lethal weapon.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Leath the weapon all those rest.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Good night, yeah.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he gets in that's a big thing because now he's the leading man in the film.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't do tremendous business, but it's really well-loved.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It is a critical hit and it is, yeah, it's basically a calling card.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, hey, remember Robert Downey Jr., he's so fucking charming.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And he can carry this.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so funny, so charming, he's so uncontrollable.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I recently wanted him to be for the 80th time and it's incredible.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Using Star Power.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're in a slightly older, down Jr., he's a little salt and peppery

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's showing the battle scars.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He seems like a man who's been through some stuff and it makes them more interesting.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's playing a career criminal.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not getting a second chance.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He starts doing roles along those lines.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, good night, good luck.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And the guy's recognizing your Saints in the scanner, darkly.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And Zodiac, these roles of slightly weathered guys who are kind of clinging on a little bit,

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, rather than sort of breezing through things.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's using his life experience at my mouth full of bagel.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, to to tap into like a sort of previously unseen but also retaining his original

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like super charm.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would argue, you know, to paraphrase,

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I've sketched Fitzgerald.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, you know,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: a second axe in American lives.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's playing characters who are struggling to define a second axe.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Who want a second axe?

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's true, kiss, kiss, maybe.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, true, the shaggy dog just kidding.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen the shaggy dog.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually great now.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he's genuinely phenomenal in it.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's starting to establish a second act.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like maybe he's just going to be a really solid, you know,

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: secondary actor and big movies and then like he's drama and he'll be the lead and play.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then John Favre.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we kind of know the rest.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Goes this is the guy.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Marvel goes no way.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even a comment.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying who else would have even been considered for Tony Stark?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like, you kind of do you know,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I know Sam Rockwell was was very seriously talked about.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't be good.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Not as good.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some other people who have Sam Rockwell, but he's not.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam Rockwell, I know was very high up on the list.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe why they wrote in that part in the second.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: No, right.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But when Robert Downey Jr.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: is was cast as Iron Man.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just instantly, especially because Iron Man is this character in the comics

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: who has struggled with drinking and his like excess.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, oh yeah, that's exactly that's exactly right.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a very distinct memory.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: My father saying, hey, did you hear that R.D.J.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Down Jr is playing with you?

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, it was Iron Man.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I went, yeah, and he went, they're really scraping the bottom

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: of the barrel, huh?

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Now my dad's assessment was if that's the biggest guy

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: they can get, the movie is a pre-determined flop.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I think my assistant winner,

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and I had heard Marvel, he had a guy

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: who that character was.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Because who is this fucking guy?

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No one heard of Iron Man.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I heard that.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, they made the creatively appropriate decision.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that doesn't blow up in their faces.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the approach for superhero movie is always been like,

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: who's hot?

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But now, fuck, okay, he can be Daredevil.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no thought of like the character he might be playing.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Farrow goes to bat from Selzim really hard.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is the only guy.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He does like 20 screen tests and Marvel finally relance.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He gets paid less than any other actor on the film.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Tells how we got three times much more than I was.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I just paid actor in that movie.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is why you didn't do the second movie

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because he then demanded the same proportionate raise for the second one.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, go suck two turns.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's back, baby.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: RdJ.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And in a way that has rarely happens anymore.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And overnight, over a weekend,

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he goes from, oh, that guy wrapped in junior who I've seen some stuff over the years

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: who's in that movie Iron Man that looks cool to like,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: America's favorite movie.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: overnight, he's undeniably a huge a-

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's not forget the same year.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He does have traffic thunder.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the breakout of that movie.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He gets an Oscar nomination for it.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they couldn't have played out any better.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then after that, he basically doesn't make a ton of movies.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So he made immediately vaults to superstar to him.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: He makes the soloist, which I think he might have shot before.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That was in the camera.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That was originally supposed to come out before Iron Man.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They pushed it back so it could receive the bomb up.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Which it did.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That movie's terrible.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He's good news about the movie.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's okay.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And it is good work.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Turela Comes, which is produced by the Silver Company.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: This baby is so fucking good.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The Silver Company is why, if they said,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: now that you're proven box office start,

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: let's make a franchise for you where we can benefit from it.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Two movies kill at the box office.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's now like a franchise guy.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think two is next.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, massive.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Terrible movie, but massive.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then do date.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I love.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think is a secret masterpiece.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about that.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to do an episode about do date.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's brilliant.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But it did pretty well.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Do date.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Turela Comes two Avengers Iron Man three, the judge.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he literally just stops making movies that aren't Marvel movies.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So he only is pretty much doing his two franchises.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's from the moment after Iron Man comes out

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: because like soloist and tropical thunder

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: were in the camp.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He experienced the boost from the two of them.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But from the moment the movie signs onto after that point

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: are just Marvel movies, Sherlock Holmes,

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and the two exceptions, the outliers are do date and the judge.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Do days directed by Todd Phillips coming straight off

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the hangover.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's very much in the get-in.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true car position.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's talking about the Nacce.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You know right off the hangover too.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And the interesting sort of thesis question that Todd Phillips

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: said he was interested in making do date was he went

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it's so weird that the downy junior is now this beloved

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: as an American star because he's so odd and he's so prickly.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That he went I want to try to experiment with how far I can push

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: downy junior in a film.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It still have audiences like him.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole movie is like an exercise in like making the

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: subtext of the usual downy junior performances.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was doing this very odd playing dark characters

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and suddenly those characters are dropped into big movies

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that kids love.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's still like they play it as a little more fun.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you really think about it, you're like this guy's a mess

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and due date is just acknowledging how much of a mess he is

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and being like you still like him, do you still like him?

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And you do the whole time.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a real test of him as a movie star.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie does well financially.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Critically.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that pushes him even further away from trying to experiment

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: outside these things.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The moral movie is playing so well at this point he's 50 years old.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: There are only so many more years he's going to get to do this stuff.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's this part of him that's like I became a movie

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: start to this degree, very late.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to write this out as hard as I can doing drama as I can always

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: go back and do that.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It was recently sort of elambasted in the press for

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, he was saying he didn't want to make a shitty movie

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: anymore.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But he did so many for so many.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He did a lot and I remember

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: defending him to my boss when she was like this is rude.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like he knows he can't be on an indie movie.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he obviously operates under a very strict control of like

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be in like a very comfortable Hollywood environment

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: when I'm making these movies because like that's the time

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: when I am my most kind of vulnerable.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I really, yeah.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also is like a thing I think you can't speak to unless

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you, you know, you've done the job but the environment.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The environment really, I'm not saying you can't speak to it.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I immediately understood everything he was saying.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh sure.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: As someone who mostly does tiny shitty indies by people who run

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: professional and don't know what they're doing, right?

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to do any work I can.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also see the couple of times I've gotten to be on bigger

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: How much easier it is to work when

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the everything is planned out properly in the circumstances

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: are correct in this room for error to be corrected.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than just like, oh, can you also hold this light

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: while you're in the scene because our light guy has pneumonia?

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but the judge.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The judge.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Our key question that we're trying to answer

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: is that this is going to be six and a half hours long.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Our key question that we're going to answer in now that we've

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: set up the downed junior narrative.

[00:24:21] Sure.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he make the judge?

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why do you make the judge?

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you make the judge?

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This is his first film as a producer.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He sets up a first look deal at Warner Brothers to bring them

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: properties.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He dropped out of a bunch of big movies.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was a community part and gravity.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was going to be the Frank reporting on as the

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: great and powerful.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He was going to play walking.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks as role in in her voice.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He would have been so good.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's an interesting mix of two guaranteed block

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: monsters.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's made all of those movies.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: One guaranteed classic from an out tour.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he drops out of all of them.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's really just sticking the marble thing.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting Warner Brothers to acquire properties

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to him for him.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I want this book.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to reboot this thing.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He wants to make the black mirror episode about the memory

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: implant, the thing that the camera and your brain.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was some old series of tech news

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that he wants to make as a franchise.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He has an already James.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Do this shit.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Do it tons of properties to them.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but none of them are getting off the gate.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Not because he doesn't want to.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's him choosing I really want to do this.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And his first step for his first film as a producer with his new

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: team downy banner is the judge.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would a man who could get any film he wants made at this

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: point in time make this film?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It is like the the crappiest like 1994

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: like kind of Oscar, baby, how how how else you describe the

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: judge.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like it's like Tricle, it's like toxic Tricle.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a ham-fisted sort of cliche

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: late and overrought.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, desperate, overlong, overcast, overacted,

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: overdirected, overbagled,

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: desperate plea underlit for Oscars.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the only reason because look, maybe he thought

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: my power so big right now I want to test it if I can make

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: a mass audience as flocks to an adult character drama, which is not a

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: bankable genre anymore.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, at least people keep telling me.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think did the judge do actually actually have no idea

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think it lost money.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was made for a budget he did it for less and his usual

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: film.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But still was he's making 50 million bucks in every

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Avengers movie doesn't really get.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It was not a hit by any conventional metric.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think it was a big like it came out

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: in the last September or October.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it did, you know, boring business.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It made $47 million domestically on a $50 million

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_03]: budget and made 83 worldwide, which is pretty bad.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it made almost no money outside of you.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I argue, I mean, those numbers are astounding for how bad

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the film is and how uninteresting it's amazing to move you

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: made that much money.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It opened at number five though at the box up.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty terrible.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And October agreed.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed, but we were talking earlier.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to crackula untold, which is not a film

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that actually existed in no one saw it.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was a phenomenal.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: A Charles Dancer's an Oscar on the edge.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But behind the second weekend of Annabelle, this movie opened.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We were talking right before this about men, women and children,

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: which was not at least fair.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, last year, the same year that the truth came out.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Really despised that movie.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That film features Adam Sandler, Jennifer Garner,

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of big deal movie stars, and so I'll go to his pop

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in because the major way, because it's all in our stars, Jason

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Wright, my director nominated for four Academy Awards

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: across his first three films.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for the first time.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Not many for directing Juneau and then three nominations

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: for up in the air.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You might have got a screenplay now for thank you for your

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: smoking to do it.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, he didn't.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But four nominations, and that film ended up at, I think,

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: 840,000.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, right.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody saw that.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Under a million dollars.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Most people don't even know it existed worldwide, negligible.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, judge is a similar level of overly earnest big

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: stars doing a vanishing.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I know you've been in the industry for the evening.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And for the judge, I think, 80 million dollars is not something

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: that's going to make Warner Bros.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: or Robert James Jr.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: happy, but in hindsight, it's like,

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like, it is a test of his star power that he even got

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that much out of it.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And also, I'm sure it's the kind of movie that people rent.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like his, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a pretty crazy number.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like sort of a, yeah, it's a cable movie.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But why would he do this film?

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I genuinely think Robert and I Jr.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: thought he was going to win the Oscar.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You think so.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You think Robert and I Jr. read this script?

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the question.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I now post 40 minutes into this episode to try to answer.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's 30, but yeah.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: To try to answer.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, and we'll debate this and track it with an answer,

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: did Robert James Jr. think he was going to win the Oscar?

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Because what other reason would he have to make this film?

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He produced it?

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know you started.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You started to get two chances to win the Oscar.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he thought it was it.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: There was an interview.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He did a couple years ago.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Where they talked to him about does he feel bad that he's been

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: playing all the time doing these blockbusters, just the same answer.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to win an Oscar for Iron Man.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Iron Man.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's my deserve it.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And he went, well, for me, it's just an inevitable.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And they went really?

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And he went, look, I've been doing this for so long.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what I'm doing.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what I'm capable of.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing these parts right now.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not something that I'm worried about because I'm

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: very confident that someday I will get the part that we'll show

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone and it was just a matter of time.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so you think he is literally scanning the horizon

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: for this part?

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he goes, OK, I'm going to see the script

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: where I know I can knock it out of the park.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have immense visibility now.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So no one's going to ignore the movie if I'm delivering

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and the movie works, I will get nominated and I can win.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This movie is so bad though.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's talk about it.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he made it.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so let's talk about the movie.

[00:29:33] OK.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It begins with him pissing on a man.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the opening of the film.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So someone is ostensibly a drama.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a comedy.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a drama.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It has maybe 3% comedic elements.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of them are misjudged.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Mr. Judging the Judge.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And all of them are basically just

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: robber down to Junior, kind of doing his funny guy thing.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like any time the movie is like a little bit light,

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just him trying to be, you know,

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just robber down to Junior going.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Or potentially fucking his daughter,

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: which we'll get to and let's go look at there.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the opening of the film, David Crumholz,

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the great Dave Crumholz.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the great ever chubby or David Crumholz.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at this real blood.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're like, I don't know if they dressed him

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: in like a suit that was like eight times to you,

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: bigger something with David Crumholz looks terrible.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're like, I would sue my agent.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they stuck a bicycle pump in his neck

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: before each take and gave it a few little up and down.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I love David Crumholz, by the way.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: These are corrects.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But the opening scene, they are very gorgeous.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it in LA?

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even tell.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it chic?

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of those places is it's so superficial

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's all fucking, I live live,

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: money, money, money, money.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: This is, he lives in Highland Park.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He says that to Crumholz, because he's like,

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a fucking perfect quiet and I fuck my wife

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and she looks incredible.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's a thing in Chicago.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The idea is that he is a morally bankrupt,

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of duplicitous success driven lawyer

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: who takes on cases defending clients

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: who he knows are guilty.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, he's just bottom line lawyer.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he doesn't care about the,

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever, you know, what's the word justice is?

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's really manipulating morality around.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so lame though, who gives a shit?

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And the movie spends no time on it too.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, how do you feel like,

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, your clients are always guilty

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's like, I feel fine.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Drive my car and fuck my whatever.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And are we supposed to be like,

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, God, this guy is really at the bottom of his,

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: he really needs to figure it out.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He never really seems that stressed out.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it seems like he's killing it the whole movie.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He seems totally level.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: In this opening scene, he pisses all over David Crumholz.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: David Crumholz is like, do you really think this man's innocent?

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like innocent men can't afford me.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And now that also doesn't make any sense.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure they can.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this guy's like,

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: evil people, I guess are rich.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Or they willing to spend the money

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: because they know he's the only one who can get them off.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, he's this renowned trial lawyer.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's great on the crime.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's exam, like right, you know, that's.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He's at a urinal and he turns around to say something to him

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and just literally just peasants.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Crumholz is complaining about something.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Minute three of the movie, it's a drama.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, Andrew, and adult male is peeing on another adult male.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was like, oh, sorry, did I peeing on you?

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a mistake.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Insert shot of urine on shoes on polished black dress shoes.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, what the fuck is this movie?

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's shot in this very Tony-

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's shot by Janus Komsky, who's a great director of photography.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg's regular has shot every Steven Spielberg.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He actually, it's quite nicely shot.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, the man's a master of light and shadow

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and like it's used all the time.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's always these pools of light coming through the window.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's dramatic.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's great, but I have no idea why he's, you know?

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What if he and the contractor David Dobkin,

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: if they had a conversation, I don't know what it was

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because I don't know why he's shooting the movie so serious.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And quick sidebar, David Dobkin.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Have this idea apparently based on experiences with his father

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in elder years.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This is right.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Pitched it to some writers.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They wrote it for him.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she basically was the writer of Grand Torino.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Send it around, down in junior saw,

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think connected with the Oscar potential.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get in a second.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe perhaps some of the father issues in the film.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah, maybe.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And the past demons at the characters dealing with

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and brings it to one of brothers that give it a go ahead.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Dobkin's filmography up until that point is,

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: starts out with clay pigeon.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in the sort of comedy drama we've been spun.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all right.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And he makes Shanghai Knights.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The sequel to Shanghai New,

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a masterpiece.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The Shanghai Knight's great.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Knights'

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Knaps are fake.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a super tonally mistrugged film.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: When Shanghai New gets it, just right.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Shanghai New is great.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And Shanghai New for perspective is from the director

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: who then went on to direct failure to launch and marmaduke.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So like it's not like this is like, you know,

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, he's got to take the reins over.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, what?

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a cute script.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a jazz computer.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, right.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't need another Shanghai New in a really any time.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I did.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I was really asking for it.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I could pray for it every night before I went to sleep.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fair enough.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't this franchise be rush hour two?

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I would say.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Rush hour comma T-O-O.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he makes wedding crashes.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, which is a monster hit even though

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a garbage, horrible, horrible song.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck, you can't come at me bro.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not funny and it's ugly.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's ugly.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It hates gay people.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It hates women.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It only likes cool bros who fuck chicks.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not funny and it's way too long.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also like two hours and 15 months.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It is very well shot though.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say it looks nice.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You sing, I didn't really remember how well it was.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very well shot.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he makes red claws.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean a catastrophe.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Vince Vaughn is Santa Claus' brother.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Santa Claus play by Paul Giamati, the juuiest goi in the world.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's not, but you can't.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, sure.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the most juuish.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What should they would just like, we need a fact guy.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's a fact guy?

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm like, I'm trying to bring presents to the kids.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a neurotic Santa Claus.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Luther Chris plays an elf.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They filmed a little person.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they filmed a little person and then she went.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Post, Luther Chris is head.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So his neck never moves properly.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: John McClick plays another elf has a love affair with Elizabeth Banks.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Martyrs are of talent.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Kathy Bates Academy Award winner.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to act around a Richardson Academy Award nominee.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, moving on from Fred Claus.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Did he make anything between the change up?

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Which also blows so hard.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Another movie about being.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where Jason Bateman and Ryan Reynolds P into a fountain and lightning hits it

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and they change bodies.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he makes the judge.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So at this point in his filmography is mostly

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: probably misjudged comedy that have regressive a social politics

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: fair enough.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And relationships in them.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, hey, this is my personal film.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to make a Tony drama with Janice Komenski

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and heavy duty big deal actors and page four is

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: P on the guy.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Look immediately.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's up to his old fucking shenanigans.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He loves being.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It raises the question, would the judge be better if it was more of a comedy?

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think there's a version of the judge that's good.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder if the judge would be better if it took itself less serious.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no doubt that the judge would be better if you cut literally

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: 45 minutes from it and lightened it up.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like way up.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you made the relationship between him and his dad

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: similarly strained but in a more kind of like I fuck you, you know,

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like not this like they're so mad at each other and you do not know why.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I know you kind of are told why, but like it doesn't make any sense.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And if Robert Dungeon was just allowed to be funny the whole time

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and Duval was allowed to be funny or

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and there was no cancer, guy get rid of the cancer.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Then the movie would be okay.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also that thing is something else.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And also way more of the did I fuck my daughter.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, way more.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get to this.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing the case and then he gets a call.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you get to call in the middle of the case his mother dies because

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: he's got a gun as trial.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which would never happen.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It would never happen.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Never ever happened.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Never know.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that whole thing is weird.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so slick.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He's such a fucking snake or salesman.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He can charm anybody.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if they hate him, like God damn it, you got it your way goes back home to his daughter

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in a he's divorce.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, he goes to his he or he's getting divorced.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He's made a Sarah Lynkester.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like complaining that she's sad.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but she hadn't affair or something like yeah,

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she's not allowed to be particularly sympathetic.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just got to you.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the house as an unbelievable.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he's like I'm taking like fucking daughter.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, and she's like, I'm sad.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You suck.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Your shitty work all the time or what?

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like we were getting a little more like wrote exposition.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this guy is kind of, you know, divorce from everything.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But his job.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But the immediate takeaway from the scene of him,

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: he and his ex wife interacting is both of them are garbage people.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, the terrible.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them are piece of garbage human.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And they have this awful daughter.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They Jake Lloyd level performance.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You can see the dad reading the lines.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like she's supposed to be like percosious

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and level headed or whatever.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And you just want to strangle her.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's awful.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But big information revealed is that she did not know

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that her grandfather was alive.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, right.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Going back home to his strength.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, he's knee dead and he's like, no,

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: he's just dead to me.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He's dead to me.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so now he's from some poetown town in Indiana

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: where his dad is the local judge.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Who everyone calls?

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: The judge?

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So he tried to literally just call him judge.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like how you do a judge?

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is judge.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't stop thinking about it.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the whole day and I don't.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been perfect.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, every time they open a magazine in the film,

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: my name is judge.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he goes as town.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a nice car.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, my god, damn.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's making him much a snarky aside to himself

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: under his bath while he's driving through the town.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in hell.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen that.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Go to the home.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: He gives him a model like everyone wants to leave.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No one wants to stay at that.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: A funeral service.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: His dad.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: His mom is dead played by the legendary Bob Deval.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Is immediately very cold in it.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He's basically like, thanks for coming.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: See you later.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so how are you doing?

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's got a two brother.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: She's got a brother played by Jeremy Strong, who's like,

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe a little slow.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He's always got a super-aid camera.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He seems a little touched.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got, uh, I'd say like a, like a forest gum brain man.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He maybe is some sort of it's completely unspecified.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's no investment in like what's going on with him.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's like, he's a little funny.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I would call it the term I'd like to point out

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: is convenient retardation.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just enough retardation to get weird things happening

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: on screen.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But also not too much that he's not functional.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got to do an operation.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think gives the best performance in the film.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to counter that with a point.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get to an assacant.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, fine.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think Dinoffrey is good as his kind of washed up fat,

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: former athlete of a brother who I think was maybe the golden boy,

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: but now he's.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And just feels like a sad broken man,

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but with a really good big heart.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess so.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He's really not a character.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: No, but he's trying to hold the family together.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They go this funeral, everything's tense.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: A sidebar for Dinoffrey or here for a second

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: because the thing that you and I are both obsessed with,

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I love all the other things.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're both love credits.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we love, because it's gas-lowest.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We get what bank billing, what ranking, who's above the title,

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: he gets separate title cards in the trailer.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff is fascinating to us.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We are obsessed with the and or the width.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: With featuring.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those things.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all those are intense negotiations

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that go through to get those kinds of things.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we love breaking those down.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The judge has one of the most tragic occurrences that can happen

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: in the world of separate title cards and trailers.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The judge is really trying to present itself as an Oscar movie

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in the trailer, in the trailer.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Academy Award nominee, Robert Denny Jr.,

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: show the shot of Robert Denny Jr.,

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Academy Award nominee, Robert Dubo.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And they show him and he's not a winner.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Winner, winner.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Winner, one time.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Just the one-tender mercies.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did it for the people.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking stern.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Academy Award nominee, Vera for me.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He's smiling.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So half smart.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Vincent and off you go.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And Academy Award nominee winner, Winner, Billy Bob Thorpe.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's just sandwiched in there.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: There are five names and he's the only one who gets nothing.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: His title card looks so naked.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so sad.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They're so little taxed on it.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm his agent.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like no, take him out of the trailer.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather don't know him.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You're making him look shitty.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't even,

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was a good actor.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's great actor.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to put like Emmy nominee in there.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't even want to be a golden gloom nominee or something.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not for law and order.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He must have some point.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's giving a great performance.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice that they put him.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no single title.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty good in it.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They go to the funeral.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's kind of whatever.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Dad, he's acting erasable.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He gets in the car.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He drives up.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: To get a fight doesn't drink at that point or has he not had a drink?

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's not drinking.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But Downey saw him forget someone's name, his bailiff's name.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He encor and so Downey's like something up with him.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we're told dovals characters are recovered.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Alcoholic he insists.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And so Downey thinks it might be drinking again.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And drives off in the car.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hm.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and then he gets arrested for running someone over.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The next morning, they look.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The car has weird scratches on it.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We, let's let's let's let's the cop show up.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And they say your father, who drove this car last night?

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And they go to me and they go, you hit a man.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you hit a man who you like have a personal history with.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what?

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Downey's like, this is surely a mistake.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He's an old man.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was an accident.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you trying him for man slaughter?

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said because the man he hit was Blinkety Blink.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Generic, Southern.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy?

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy, John, John.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And this was a man who was stalking a woman.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The case came before it's evolved 20 years early in the years.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a union sentence.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a woman in the sentence.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like that.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He proceeds to the second he gets out of jail.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He kills the woman.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He kills the woman.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks her when he kills her.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he goes in for 20 years.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He just got out apparently.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I'll do running the fuck over.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Run some over.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Kills him.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: This is an R rated movie by the way.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: They say fuck a lot in this movie.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing else.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no other R rated material in this movie.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They just take fuck a lot.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's the central dramatic crux of the judge.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you, your nir is ready to leave.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing left for him in this town.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's done his dude.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You guys with no one in the mud.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck is this?

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He has to defend his dad, his grumpy old piece of shit dad.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And won't even admit that maybe he did run this guy over.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I did not.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Where were you that night?

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Why can't you remember?

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a judge.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a judge.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He's the judge and now he has to go on track.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He knows how the law works.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just being like, I don't know.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He hires Dax Shepherd.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite character in the film, The Best Performance in the Film.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's all right.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you hated.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But he, I guess he's doing what he came with the part.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The expert's character is like the local like, yeah.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not a DA.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a lawyer.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But what's his day job?

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a pawn job.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a pawn job.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a little odd.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And he went to whatever Indiana community college.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, I don't know what it is.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But he is diploma might as well be from like King Cows or whatever.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Dead junior went to Harvard Law.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He went to Northwestern.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Northwestern.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually like that.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a reasonably good school.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not like he went to the West School in the country.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a good law school.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's always yelling as dad for nine and showing up in his graduation.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He was never there for him.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Which, like, by the way, yeah, like dick moved to fall show up for the graduation.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's, I mean, you don't even have to talk to him.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Dax Shepherd's like, why do you want me?

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Your sons in the room.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're so big.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Our fuchs.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I won't have just my son be the lawyer.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he keeps talking about how like we just need like a good country boy.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, like a nice boy.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's fancy city talk.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really, it's so fucking bad.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the worst.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's another fancy city piece of like dramatic shorthand and play.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Every five minutes or some nonsense like that.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so in city, hire a duck shepherd and whatever.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say the best character detail about him with a mouthful of bagel.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a man with such intense stage fright when it comes performing in court that he

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: vomits it extensively every time.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He has to appear in court because I think Danny Jr is like, uh, it's because you, you know,

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: you feel like you have a life in your hand.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You still care about your clients.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry, it'll pass.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I sure hope it doesn't pass.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, it's really a real cynic Mr. Downey.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He is for me the TC 14 of the job.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's he's not.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the character I want to see the entire film.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's an ophereous better.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm sick of him.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They both should have been nominated.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they should not have been nominated for anything.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We skipped over a huge, huge scene.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: First night funeral three brothers are bummed out.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They go to a bar.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a hot young piece behind the bar.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Lating me sir in, I think Lating me sir's an okay actress.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is her worst work.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: She has an accent like someone was like, this she it's like she asked someone like,

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: where's this movie set the south and someone was like huh?

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like great and does a southern accent for reasons I cannot decipher.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like her research was just going to the country bear jamboree at Disney World 12 times.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we here by her to come sing a song for you.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She's so bad.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: She's so bad anyway.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's like, oh, you boys are sure cute.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The bartender a bunch of broy guys come in

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're trying to fucking start shit with her.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And down in junior talks the guys down.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He does some crazy like, oh yeah, he's like, but did it.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, you're gonna hit on her?

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm a lawyer.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But you guys have priors in their all.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, this guy smart.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like rapist at three o'clock.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's making like pithy like comments like that.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's essentially doing the fancy city talk.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure he's a good guy.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she immediately falls for it.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like caught there's a time jump to him really making out

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: with Lating me sir in a phone book.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And the two brothers, the one who is conveniently retired at.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And did not feel hard a gold and no other character development

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: or like, out to his old tricks.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, can he say it the man as a way?

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is, right?

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But none of them have ever seen this girl before seemingly.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They have no, no, they don't, they don't say anything.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's, well, right.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going this is gross.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's already gross.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Because down he's 50 and Lating me sir's like 24.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's playing even younger.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, like, it's super gross.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you're like, I don't know if they fucked her.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just getting really handsy.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But either way, it's way too much.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

[00:47:46] Yeah.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: At the funeral, the morning of he goes to a diner and who's there working there.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But his old flame.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: His great, all his high school sweetie.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: His high school sweetheart, who he left.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't show up to the prom, right?

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He left him right after never came back.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But she was the one.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: She's still there.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I'm surprised you're still here.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they're like, I'm surprised that that.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He laid away like a triple peroxideed.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Vera from me with like way too much eyeshadow where they're like,

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's make her look trashy.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's like, but good performance.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Solid.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't love Vera from me, but she's terrible in this way.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a solid performance.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's her.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: No, she's bad.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's her fault.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're catching up, right?

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I think it's her fault.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's everyone's fault.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone in this movie, it's a little bit their fault.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's devolves fault.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's definitely down to his fault.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, going.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So those two pieces are set in place.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Vera from me.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got this hot side piece in town.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the old flame.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now he's still in town and he refuses to go back home because he's trying

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure he's down.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, out of some stubbornness.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess like, yeah, it's never really explored why he's like, you know what?

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to stay even though apparently all he's ever done is get the hell out of his

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_03]: town.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But it guess it makes sense.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of plots of all men in the first 30 minutes that we just set up.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And now the film introduces like one big wrinkle and the film just essentially goes

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in circles.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you seeing the cancer is the big wrinkle?

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a light can't hear, remember?

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Is he drinking?

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you realize now he has cancer.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's his brain cancer, right?

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's losing his memory.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He's having chemo, which is having could have the side effects he's losing his memory

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: loss.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He refuses to acknowledge it because then all of his trials for like the last six months

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: as you know when he was the judge.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_03]: longer.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Would be that maybe declared a mistrial cause he was impaired.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's this old fashioned man who goes, the legacy is the most important thing.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: A man can have.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not want my legacy called into question.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to die.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He does.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I might as well die who cares if I die in jail, not in jail like I just want to.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to be a good judge.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Never cared about being a good daddy just wants to be a good judge.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I really would almost prefer to see a movie where he is the judge.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, because you just see one brief where he's like he gives kind of a judge

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: duty type like you're going to sell your car back to that guy.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the judge's rule.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The judge judge man.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You get like the judge judge.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You get like, oh this guy's a great judge.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh tough wood fair.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I would go show up to watch him do what we want to see.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be healthy and funny about this folks.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And fair.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He gives it kind of life less.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell why the whole town would love him.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But then after that he doesn't get to be the judge.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He just gets to be cranky mean dad and like silent.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_03]: What's that?

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_03]: A queused person.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: A vain court.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, you know,

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_03]: he like won't object Johnny Junior's like throwing legal heads at it.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's throwing heads over shoulder with things to say.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Can Howard by the way, plays the judge in this movie?

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I can have a bag after four months.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Or he still is the one.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's running for a real action.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I just read a deadline yesterday.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's not good either.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like you in this movie.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Can Howard.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and again, like you kind of wish he would have a little more fun with it.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But instead, it's just like objection and can Howard's like overrule.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's no there's no chance to play around.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And this what this movie feels a little like to me.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: David Dopp, get a man with such crass base stupid ugly comedic instincts.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Really trying to prove that he's a serious rat.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He's dying to get too far back.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the way that 13 year old boys have to act during their brumets.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: During the actual service in the Torah portion where they really have to put on the air.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So they are now a man.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the second, like the party they fucking take it off and they put a glow stick around their dick.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're dancing to fucking flow right at like, you know, it's like,

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you get brumets?

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I never had a glow stick around my dick.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm saying?

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the kid.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that's not a man.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little boy.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He must be poking someone with him.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Then what's in a while someone pisses on someone shoes and you're like,

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, Barry is the only one.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to have Dex Shepherd vomit.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to do this.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like the,

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Barments for kid.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw someone the most charismatic 13 year olds of my generation.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Get up on that stage and be so fucking boring.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're, they're main objective is a B serious.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Look serious.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And like you're really thinking about what you're saying.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And so David Hopkins direction in the scenes where people are peeing or peaking.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Or shitting themselves.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: This way is a ton of bodily fluid.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my favorite scene in the movie.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to you.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It is like him going like, but I'm a very serious film maker in this very serious movie.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Which makes it so difficult to watch.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, also it's really, really over long.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you, like you say everything's kind of set up in the first half hour 40 minutes.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So much of the first 30 minutes.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it just, it just doesn't go close.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of want the movie I wanted is like all this set up and you're like,

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Fine, and then give me a court case.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Give me an exciting court case.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Downey juniors, Lock and Horne's with Billy Bowdoin, who's playing this like,

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Wise guy, really, really smart kind of quiet, like,

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Shark of a guy, he's like the Southern Downey Jun.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But he has more out there.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see the shark.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's see the match with doesn't happen.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: There's almost no court stuff except for the worst scene in the movie,

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the cross examination of Rob De Ball.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of those about Thorin's performance?

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, he's kind of sleepwalking.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a classic Billy Bowdoin where you're like,

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish you, you know, he's one of the most talented actors of his generation.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, I think he's kind of phoning it in.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_03]: At least he's not over the top.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He looks amazing.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: His look at the songs in Cretel.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a really, really, he's super slim.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He is.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of really skinny.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got really skinny.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got his grave wagon.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: A firm a grave.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a go-t.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And like a, like, a really sharp, like, three piece suit.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He just looks at he looks at the shark.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he doesn't do anything in this movie.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a terrible character.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's underrated.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So down to your head becomes part of the case and he's trying to prove it.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just whole about what he wants the dad to admit if he says that he is undergone

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he basically wins because.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a very good temperament.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But this and that.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we just back and forth arguments about this.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And while they're back home, and he's going, why were you never there for me?

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you this?

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And the dad goes, why are you just supporting me?

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you still suck the brother?

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Has obsessively over his life as well as the ending.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Magical little tick.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got super-a-camera.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He films everything.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's constantly filming everything.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I go, put that damn camera down.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And down to your hands like your camera is fine.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But the dad hates the camera.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And so while they're fighting about things that happened in the past, sometimes the

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_01]: other sets up a projector and plays home videos.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Eight millimeter films.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So fucking annoying.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And so they're like fighting about something and projected onto their shirts and the background

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: behind them is like video of them in younger days.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And like running around with your boy hats on.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also this movie set in 2014.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 2014.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So down in junior when he was like, well I guess what was it that's 70s?

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's like because it's like, it's been like, he grew up in like 1948.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: All the ages in this movie are fucked up too.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about they say it one point is like 72.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's playing like 10 years younger than he really is.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he drew your kind of his as well.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Dendier's character should be like 40.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the ball is a small 70.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Dendier's character should be 40 at the most.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's 50 and evolves like 82.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And Dival has like no hair left on his head but they die it brown to make him look a little younger.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got these like whispers that are slick back just on the sides and they die like a deep brown.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's like, oh you're right. That makes him look 70 instead of 80.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well he's in Keeva too.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's gonna die those whispers.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like he's in old men just let him play an old man.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But I really think, you know, Dival and Dendier had done a couple films together.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Have they? What's their, this was a trivia question.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The trivia that we used to go into is the gingerbread man.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And lucky you were the Curtis Hansen poker movie.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen them.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Neither of us.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We're terribly.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a dummy juniors and lucky you.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm credited, I believe.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Yes he is.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Dival got the end on that film.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Eric Vanager, Barrymore and Robert Dval and Dendier's on credit.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, telephone jack, please.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So clearly the two have some sort of admiration for each other.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a big impetus in this film.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: In doing this film for him was this is a great part for Dval.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do a film with Dval.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I have my own father issues.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fighting with all this stuff.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And over the course of the film, it is revealed that the reason there's so much

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: resentment is that down he drew your head as a young man.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a virious.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a virious.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a virious.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's high and he's in a car accident where he's driving, I guess.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And Dino Frillo is in the car and he like breaks his hand or something.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And that means he can't be like a pro ball player, which is all Robert Dval

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted for him.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It just like he want through the movie out the window.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's so hack me.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's fattened set.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything in the ring casting poured enough for you.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we need to go ahead.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're saying everything so hack.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's literally a moment in this film where the two of them get in a fight

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and then storm out of a car.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They can't do all of each other anymore.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And they cut to a wide shot of the two of them walking in opposite directions.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: On like the road.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a big wide shot and it's just like, oh, these men walk different paths

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in life.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like every there's so much like fucking heavy handed.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like visual symbolism of like, I mean literally projecting flashbacks onto their bodies.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I know.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And also then that scene where it's like the camera, the super, you know, the, you know,

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: starts playing and they're like, oh, turn out.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, leave it on and they watch it.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, we were so cute.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's footage of like the car, the total car and all this stuff.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the total, turn out to be like, turn out to be like,

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Turn out to be like, fuck it off.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh my god.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes, uh, no sense.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's in also we already know.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: About that two-volts mad at Robert Downey Jr. for this car accident.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we get, we need another scene where it's literally projected and Robert Downey Jr. starts.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, sorry, do ball starts screaming like, fast forward it.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, I can't, it's failed.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: My kid fast forward.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, turn the fucking crank if he has to.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they're fucking crank.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so bad.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So there are a relation because we're somewhere else.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And devils help the clients more and more.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite scene in the movie is.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The designer goes upstairs.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And he shit all over himself.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The great Bob Devalley shit.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: All over himself.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The great Bob Devalley.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't really see it.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I would disagree.

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You think so?

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's one key shot I will never forget.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: There's one image that is permanently burned into my mind.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But devalley in arguably one of the finest actors ever to live.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, as shit himself and he's like,

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: pudging around,

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: a danger is like, it's fine.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me take care of you.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And he like sort of pulls his pants in his underwear down.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You see the pants are totally stained with shit.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he takes the shower head.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like one of those like candle shower heads.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And he starts like hoesing him down and they're very,

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a very clear shot of Robert Devalley's wrinkly old man legs.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the shot is like from like his lower side.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get you.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: To his feet and you see the drain of the bathtub.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's just hoesing him down and you just he shit running down his legs down the drain.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The great Bob Devalley.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're in the shower together for a while.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes as naked and like, you know, again,

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like, you know,

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to be.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you Bobby and like I'm glad you want,

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, each that thing were like in a good movie.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_03]: This would be like a really tough to watch kind of like difficult

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: a brave moment like, oh God, look at do well.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He looks terrible.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell they think that's what it is.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you gotta take a real risk and do a scene that's too tough for people.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But then they undercut it by having the daughter be outside the bathroom like knocking me.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, can I come in?

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I help?

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, no, you can't come in.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You fuck off like,

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, you don't want to turn into like a dumb gay panic thing.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it almost turns into like a fucking little fucker scene.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, they're naked together at a bathtub and it's like, oh no,

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: what's she gonna think?

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just go away and she's like,

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, I want to help.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what it is.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the daughter comes to visit and the grandpa's really nice.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, the daughter comes to visit and she's like, no,

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_03]: don't be mad or don't be freaked out just because my grandma's

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: just gone in pause so scary.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, and then of course, yeah, he's really nice for it.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a huge, he's huge.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He likes everyone else.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He only hits times junior and there's a dumb speech at the hammer.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, it's just because you had the most potential.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't watch this in that, right?

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's a sub-lot that we've been burying.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We set up the two women.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're a vegan mester.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Then there's the scene where Downey Jr.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it when they walk away from the car?

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's somewhere around there.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Or a similar his bike, the bike goes down.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He starts wearing his old black Sabbathe shirt on the bike and he takes his hands off

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and he raises them up in the air.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, whoa, look at all these, you know, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: One of those scenes where he's on the side of the road for some reason happens a lot

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: in this film, a car pulls out and it's like, oh, need a ride.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's Vera for me, you go.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets in and she goes, hey, have you met my daughter?

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fucking late mester.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've already a little gross.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: She'll be like, oh, weird.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He's making out with his sweetheart's daughter.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's, and then he starts to investigate the timeline.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When were you born exactly?

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that was eight months after I left town.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like nine months after prom night, like, to be exact.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: When I left and then never came back and never contacted you ever again.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So he starts freaking out that he fucked his daughter.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Although he just has made out with because he even vocalizes a one point.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what your daughter?

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know that they had sex.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely made out.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very handsy.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in a phone booth and he's fucking feeling you're not.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I got you.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got pussy figures.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's good to be well.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's kind of, it's kind of dropped.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like they don't really, it's one, I mean, again,

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's this weird mix of like, like you say,

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: stately Oscar Bady,

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, prestige.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that, that dobbkin,

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: shit charm where he's like, what if you fucked your daughter by mistake?

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa!

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this plot line is exclusively played for laughs.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It is, and it's exclusively played for Downey to do his classic, like,

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: um, that's what I am.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to ask the questions around it's like nervous,

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like comedy of manners.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like one question.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what kind of jeans do you think she has?

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a, that kind of like, like,

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all played like that.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, ultimately it's revealed that she's been sent to an Afrios

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and a lot of people are not in the middle of the night.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is high school sweetheart.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't fucking fucking fucking fuck this thing.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He fucked his face.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He fucked his face.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we treat it like a lot of success.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like, f**k.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Not all my brother slept with my girlfriend

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: who I was in love with at the time before I heard him broke her arm.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And he dumped her arm.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And also I'm even fucked on me.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that's it.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not, doesn't come up.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't even, how does this move even in?

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he going to move back or not?

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's, it's, I haven't implied that he's going to move back in town, right?

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: With his daughter.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The dad ends up, he gets a convicted man slaughter.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we used to confess she had a fan.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: There's this horrible scene where, yeah, he's cross examined.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I hated the scene.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know what reminded me most of the scene in Big Daddy

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: where Adam Sandler tells his dad how much he loved him on the stand during.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm talking about?

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that scene.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it works in Big Daddy.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It works in Big Daddy.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It works in Big Daddy.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Big Daddy's a rival comedy.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Big Daddy's so awful.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So to scene where,

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Downey, Cross Xames is Dex, he said it's like only guilty people don't take the stand and, you know,

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: he asks him some basic questions.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Billy Bob Thornton asks him some questions.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of going nowhere in the dub rubble to be just confesses on the stand.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I hit him.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You're forgetting what the plot point is.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: How he gets it out of him.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And your memory is intact if you've been experiencing chemo.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: My memory is perfect.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Just in that.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you a question.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the name of your bail?

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, right.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then the first scene.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The bailiff who he's had it aside for like 30 years.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like his old friend, the bailiff.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And when he's, can't remember the bailiff.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like open and shut.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: This guy has a fucking faulty memory.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They still can victim.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: No, but you, then you forget.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Then there's 20 minutes in it.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not logging to each other of like, why did you

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: convict this guy?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, why did you let him off easy the first

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: you reminded me of you?

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You reminded me of you.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to give him a second.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a trouble kid.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And then after I saw what he did to that girl,

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I became tough on you because I wouldn't let you become this.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's, by the way, I just want to say this movie is a lot worse than Star Wars

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: episode one of Phantom Men's Last Element.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: No, because yeah, it's just they're just reading out like their character motivations.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's horribly acted, especially on the devolence part.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what this movie doesn't have anyway.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He gets manslaughter.

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Any of it all?

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Space ships.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Very true.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Where are the spaceship?

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Which, like we were burned out on Phantom Men's by the end,

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but you watch something at the jar a judge and you go, like,

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: well, any movie of space ships is kind of cool.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that kind of cool?

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It is, it's true.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Even if it was this whole movie just set on a spaceship,

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: it'd be a little better.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I love smarter, adult drama.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, sure.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little bit dumb adult drama.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I hate.

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather take a dumb spaceship movie than a dumb adult drama.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, to Vogue, it's manslaughter four years in the slamer

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: after seven months.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He admits that he did it consciously.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whatever.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Downey Jr.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what he does?

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't really care because the movie is like,

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the guy killed his piece of shit anyway.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, Grace Abrisky has this weird performance in the background

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: as the dead guy's mother.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Where she's kind of like undercut is like this, like,

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: manipulative lying scumbags.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I wasn't in him all the time and person rubbed on.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, you visited him twice in 20 years.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So you could shut up, briefed mother of the deceased.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Fair weathered friend.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yeah, I devolved up to prison after seven months.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Downey springs him, I guess, for a fishing trip.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though he's in prison,

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was used being released early for even after seven months.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty good behavior.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They really good behavior.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he's a judge.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He told other people that give him folks a lesson.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's because he is literally dying against.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He looks terrible.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He's all like purple.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They do some awful makeup on.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they take a fishing trip and he dies during the fishing trip.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And does he say I love you?

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a nice, right?

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a nice little kind.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I really wish that the movie ended with that.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You just can't do ball into the lake.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's dead by boom anyway.

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Final moment.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says whatever his thing is like, you know,

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: judge judge,

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I keep the flag up and I want them to keep the flag up.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And they put the flag up.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, great.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They go the funeral on the final moment of the film is.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Downey's going to walk through the courthouse.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's like a sacred place.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what dad was.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just finally understood who his dad was.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And he sort of gets up there in the box and he starts spinning around the chair.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And the chair keeps on spinning around and he's sort of looking at it.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the foul shot is like,

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: is he going to move back here?

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to become the judge?

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Who cares?

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Who cares?

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, okay.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Question.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they were trying to set up a sequel?

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, judge, too.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Judge Jr.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure, our TV show.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I would totally watch a TV show about Robert Danny Jr.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: is an arasable small town judge.

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would, too.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I like if his career had not taken off again.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like, yeah, you know, I would also watch a season of a TV show in

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: which Robert Andrew and played a hot shot lawyer.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's season is called Al McBiel.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Season 4.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just watch it.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He's very slick and he's funny and he doesn't play a piece of garbage.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's one episode that's a musical.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And you get to see him sing and he's a great singer.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's great singing.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Really, it's a couple albums of jazz.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Just the one, but it's pretty good.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's called a modern, a future interest.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The future.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Robert Danny Jr. in this movie, thoughts.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're saying he was going for the Oscar.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure he is phoning this in.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I disagree.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You think he's going for it?

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's really going for it.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's really going for it.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just kind of doing his stick.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so easy for him.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I think he's working really hard, but there's a thing of like,

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think artists always need to try for a little bit above what they've done before.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think every single project you do in any fucking medium, whatever you're doing.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: If you've done something well before, you get lazy.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So why so many sequels are shitty because the director goes,

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I've made this one so I know how to do it again.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I can repeat it.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And even if they think they're really, they put their heart in it.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They're working really hard.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There's that tension that comes from when there's something at stake.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never tried something like this before, something at this scale before or whatever it is.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And died Jr.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It syncs up with those comments in that interview where he's like me winning an Oscar.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's inevitable.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a matter of time I'm going to get the part.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So he just read this script and went, oh, this is a part I can kill.

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an Oscar movie.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird thing though, not really.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you'll get the last 15 years of Oscars.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You may don't reward this kind of stuff.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No, and even the best picture winners that the last whatever years are like,

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the artist and the heart locker and like, no country for all men.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, some good some bad, but they're not really like this.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The last sort of like very sort of mannered.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful mind.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'd say King speech falls into the two.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the British Tony thing.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and people mind is like biopic.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like historic figure.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: There hasn't been a movie like The Judge that's really sweet the Oscars in a long time.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I find interesting about it is it's specifically the kind of shitty Oscar movie

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that was getting attention and like slam dunk nominations for shitty performances

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: for Downey Jr.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Contemporaries at the time that he was spiraling out of control.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: In the 90s, when he was failing to make good on the promise he had as a movie star,

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: he was seeing like these were the prestige movies.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: These not, yeah, I know what you're saying.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the movie kind of looks like a civil action, which Robert Delo all was nominated for.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: She's fantastic.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a great movie with revolta.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Another really well-comred, I'll shot it.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good looking movie.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I feel is like he's like, oh, the fucking, I want to make it edzy.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Or Steve Zale and I like it.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is the problem with this movie.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It is too shitty.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like a stately legal drama and an annoying like my dad doesn't love me drama.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: If he's working through his issues, like in this performance, he might be.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really show because he kind of just keeps up the Downey Jr.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: forse to be all the time, like the kind of charming even when he's mad.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you're such a fucking bad dad and he punches thing.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, he's still doing...

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He's also such a beautiful music there.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't lose it.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He's such an unlikeable character.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is one moment in that scene where he gets kind of real.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember like, it's saying that for like five seconds being like, oh, that feels a little real.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And a little overall, but literally five seconds within two hours and twenty-five minutes of a fucking movie.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we shouldn't say Duval was nominated for an Oscar.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is bananas.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It is crazy because I mean, I think they just were like, oh sure.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's just...

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Tell the audience what I'm doing.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He's pointing to a banana.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I hauling up a banana because it's bananas.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It is bananas.

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it really felt like just some kind of default, like, sure.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the veteran gets it.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not?

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's nominated with Edward Noron for Birdman.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: One of his finest performances in a movie I hate, but a great performance.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: A great performance.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Ethan Hawke in Boyhood.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably his best work ever.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So good in that movie.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark Ruffalo in Box Catcher.

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just one of the best actors incredible in that.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But also great in everything.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And J.K. Simmons who won Bird with Blash.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The performance of a lifetime.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the most iconic performances of the last tab.

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the judge.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And Lujia.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't...

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my memory is lapsing me after fucking like eight months of us obsessively hand-to-cap in these things to each other.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, they were other people who were sort of like in the running.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Were worthy who were in films that were seen and were recognized.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all of that is so annoying.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's sort of the argument of like, well, it's just a ball they noun in for everything.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Sival action was previously his last nomination.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: There was almost 20 years.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Sival action was, previously his last nomination.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And this was 2000.

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't the apostle in between those?

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's really good.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe the apostle is before.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Netsphere?

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sival action was his last one.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: No, he's fantastic and his open range.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's so good in that.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, get low.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people thought he was close to getting an nominee.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and that's more of a classic kind of grumpy right do-vol.

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But my point is, he makes so many bad moves.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Sival action 98.

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And the apostle in 97, which he is so good in.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He directed that film.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a terrific film.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No one talks about it anymore.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a valsgrade.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's one of the finest actors of all time.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He has one of them.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes a lot of shitty movies, that's it.

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's so, I'd be fucking didn't know what to do.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But she knows whatever.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like, you know, he's happy to vote in.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but here's the thing.

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Devol phoning it in is better than a lot of his contemporaries because we like to watch him yell.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We like to watch Duval be like grumpy old Duval.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's always doing this.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So naturalistic.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so small but so emotionally deep.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a real while of feeling within him, whether he's yelling or he's sad, he's broken,

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: he's angry, whatever it is.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a very engaging screen presence.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: De Niro when he's phoning it in really asleep walking.

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But she know when he's phoning it in is just yelling.

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to talk about two of the other guys who came up around the same time as him is sort of this new wave of a method.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The godfather, boys.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Godfather, boys.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Godfather, boys.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's also good in the guff.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, oh, oh, I'd time Haygan is one of my fair characters ever.

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's so restrained in those moments.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So restrained.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this beautiful, beautiful work.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And he only didn't win because the other godfather people won.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he nominated for both of them?

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He was nominated for the first and now for the second.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the first one he loses to that year, con, devol, and patrino were all nominating for supporting him.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And they all lost.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And they all lost.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, which is a great point.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, my point is the argument that, oh, they just nominate devol for everything.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't hold any water.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You could go, well, this is a meteor part.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're going to allow it.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a shitty meaty part.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a piece of shitty meat.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fucking horse steak.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's even a garbage piece of fucking catware.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like garbage meats.

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: What does this movie, wow, horses season next year though?

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that sounds cool.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: James Frank doesn't know it.

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, why, why now be like, you know what devol is doing good work?

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And my argument is if you're going to nominate him for the judge, then you should

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: retroactively nominate him for literally every movie he's done the last 20 years.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he has no better words in the judge.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just then he is in Jack Reacher.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But, well, he's fucking in Jack Reacher.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's fine in this.

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a white actor.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Part of it is what we're talking about, like, he does a scene where he shoots himself.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And he gets like, washed off naked in a shower.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Then, like, he has like a couple of, like, I remember I think his Oscar clip was that scene

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: where he's yelling at, uh, down in, like, during the tornado.

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got about the tornado.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's...

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: There's...

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There's something they're like, it's a tornado!

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They have to like go into the basement and then they have a fight...

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a fight.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So bad that they have to leave the tornado shelter and go fight out in the open.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm much to everyone's favorite father son scene from Man of Steel.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It would be a good role.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the winner brother.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: This has become the go-to studios for tornado fights.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: tornado fights between fathers and sons.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, and that's the scene where he's like,

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, boo, who I didn't come here graduation?

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, fuck you, I paid for it.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Or, you know, again, you're like,

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: you could have gone to a school in your nation.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, look, graduate from by.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I hate this movie.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe you maybe watched it.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to watch it the same day I watched on Toronto, the movie,

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a better movie than the judge.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really bad.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So a new question to present for you before we try to answer

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: or major question and then never talk about the judge ever again.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And for any of our listeners who actually watched the judge,

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: we're so sorry.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And we won't test your loyalty this much going forward.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think, yeah, we won't.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You will learn something from seeing this movie.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You will give you a needed perspective.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like what Einstein said,

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we need to drop the atomic bomb once

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that we never dropped it ever again.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make this clear.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not doing a podcast about bad movies.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not our intention to test all.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I find this one fascinating.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover some of our favorite pieces

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of art of all time.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover interesting failures.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Our job here is not just to shit on things

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and then watch the shit off our legs with a shower handle.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not all we're here to do.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I needed to share this movie with people.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because no one fucking saw it.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched it out of a completeism.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see all the nominees for the Oscar.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched the fucking documentary shorts and everything.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched literally everything last year.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The judge was the last one I watched.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched it with my roommate and he resented me for making it.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He had a tough day at work and he was like,

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, you want to watch some TV?

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what if we watched the judge?

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So you saw a screener.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I did.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's that screener.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a sack screener of the judge.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the after you've been nominated.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to vote in the saggy words.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's your vote for?

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to vote this.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You were, yeah.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm obsessed with the words.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to vote.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But here would have been my choices.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have gone JK Simmons,

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Patricia Arquette, Rosemann Pike and Jake Jillin Hall.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Jillin Hall was not only for the sags and not for the Oscars

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and that was, I didn't like that color.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can talk about it.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that performance.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was pretty good performance.

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Comment about Twitter and my runner up.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was, I hate that movie.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a beautiful performance.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Weirdly, I like the movie.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I hate, I don't hate the performance.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think much of it.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, oh, no, he's pretty good.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a perfect lead into the big question I want to ask you.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: David, we've been friends for like a little over two years now.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, more than two years.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But we became fast friends and deep friends.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We very quickly were like, we became friends

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'll list this don't know.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: A friend of the Gathert show.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, followed both of us on Twitter.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we followed each other and pointed out

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that we were doing various similar things at the same time.

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially about our respective crushes

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: on, um, when we're not a writer and Beetlejuice.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Either when we were that age or aging her up to present day.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think it was when we were that age.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and was like, are you guys not friends?

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we see a DMing sort of hanging in the lines.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, DMs like.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We've slated into the DMs.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We used to go there.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Got drinks.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Had a fun time.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They started going this trivia night together.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We came up with a sense of it took over our lives for about a year.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we both sort of felt like we need to step away from it because we were failing

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: another aspect.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Responsibilities as men.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, uh, one of the reasons we went to this podcast together

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: said, find a reason to spend time together.

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We love analyzing these things.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We thought we could make something out of it.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not just John about chewing the fat.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know if you can turn it something else that people might like.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great excuse for just to hang out in the way the basis.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm really touched the people actually like listening to it.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so much fun.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the does the fact that I made you watch the judge will have a reputable damage

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: on our friendship.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not at all.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt a little guilty last night when I realized you were watching the judge.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like this, I, this is actually maybe a big ask for a good friend.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Please.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I love watching these.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I love watching movies like it.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Even even when I hate him, even when I have to watch on to judge the same night and review

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: for the Atlantic, it's still happy to do it.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But here's the question.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you enjoy your really think this was going to win an Oscar?

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he was thinking.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's crazy, right?

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because as parts not even that show, we, I mean, to all the good parts.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it involves the good part.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: In quotes.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's the Oscar.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a well written role.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He played it to the best.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you've all, I mean, downing must have thought like this movie will be a big hit.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll get good reviews and I'll coast to an nomination based on that.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I don't best hear.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the Tom Cruise to the Dustin Hoffman and Rainman.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a key to the support part to make someone else look better.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Does he think well, Devol is going to win the lifetime achievement award the second

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Oscar before he dies?

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get best picture.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, what do you say out of his mind?

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's what you got to do.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Biopic.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you did with Chaplain, something where you're really physically testing yourself

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: as an actor.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a kid.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hey, man.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually pretty good idea.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be great old sad busier Keaton.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: When busier Keaton wasn't allowed to, he fucked up at 8 p.m., he got sold to MGM and they made

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: him do talkies with Jimmy Durante and he wasn't good at it.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And he had this really gravely voice and everyone was thrown off by the fact that

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: busier Keaton who looked like an angel was like, ah, I don't know where this be is coming from.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the thing.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: If Downey Jr.

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Just free advice, Rob.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and come on that.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sad bus.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on the show anytime I love you, Rob.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to talk to you.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to talk to you.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You've made a very clear.

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Very love him.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry we shot all over you movie for now in 20 minutes, but you know your movie

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: was two hours and 20 minutes.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but he could have gone longer.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to do something where he doesn't do the Robert Denny Jr.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Great.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's the thing that's holding him back.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He needs to not rely on his natural charisma, his natural kind of like screen magnetism

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and do something when people are like, whoa, like that's Robert Downey Jr., I can't

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: believe it.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe that's what impresses in this.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, oh, it's worth it.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I believe that the cornerstone to getting an act in our nation, especially when

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it's too surprised.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because of the prize.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Downey Jr.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You should have been nominated for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He should have been nominated for Iron Man.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are magnetic screen performances.

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The Marvel movies literally are on the back of his performance in Iron Man where it's

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: like here's a guy who makes a comic book character seem like a human being but also seem

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: like a comic book character and like fun and like in charge of like, you know, like kind

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: of like, witty and zinging and ugh.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And he notoriously rewrote and or improvise most of the dialogue and it's great.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so structure, the script, and he was like, I don't want to save these things this

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: way and rework every scene is playing with great actors.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome in it.

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing that people realize down the line, like, oh, we should have given

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: him more credit for what he was doing there, especially in the first one.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's great in traffic under two, which is like, you know, get to know them.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's the surprise.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're like two different types.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, I've never seen this actor be this good before.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised because I've never seen it and kill it this hard.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Or I've never seen them even try to play something like this.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And Mariel's creepypabble goes, oh, they nominated for everything.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They know him for everything.

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: She's on the mac-com-mach crazy thing.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: She's always doing something different every year when the like the slam dunk,

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: mariel nomination film comes out with its trailer and I'm like, what is it this time?

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I go that actually is something that haven't seen her do before.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying she's always good, but she is always at least.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: There's always something in her eyes.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't know she could play that kind of thing.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's doing a different dialect.

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: She physically transforms herself all these kinds of things.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you need that element and Donnie Jr.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: is so cynically trying to give the people what he thinks they want based off

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of the movies.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowed to make in the 90s because he was doing too much heroin.

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And what he needs to do is surprise us.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Work with someone who's going to push him out of his boundaries.

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a fucking David Dobb can who's got dumb instincts and also he can probably step over

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: if Donnie Jr wants to like overpower him.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But someone like Paul Thomas Anderson, you know who's not going to let him taste.

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Even Sam Rayme.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Even Sam Rayme.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He actually would have been great.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was a great power.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He would have been great and that movie would have been 40% better if he wasn't still

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: what I'm in bed, but it would have been 40% better.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Which means it would have been 40% good.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's maybe 10% good.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's got a couple of great meat touches.

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The opening is actually beautiful.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that perhaps weirdly kind of funny in it?

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Not giving you that one.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to I'm going to cut that.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He plays a monkey.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Please cut it.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He plays a porcelain monkey.

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Put a light saber.

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The girls are all caught on.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Put in a light saber effect and cut that out.

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He plays like a monkey in a bellhop.

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also don't mention my dad's financial problems back.

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not talk about it.

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, don't mention those on Mike.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the judge too.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's terrific.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's terrific new man.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And his dad gets his dad's man at him because he keeps talking to the podcast.

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, judging my dad's finances and the posters me like this going to.

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We have gone really long.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: We needed to.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And we should never speak of this movie again.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: We should start.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot to talk.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot to talk.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot to talk about.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We're never talking about it.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get down.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And next week we're going to talk about Star Wars episode two attack of a close.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Dose attack of the clowns.

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think an interesting angle to hit it out for the first week to give you

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a little teaser of what's coming is how does episode two function as a sequel?

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to next week just review it as a sequel.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And we can just talk about our first impressions of this film.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And what we thought would happen in a second Star Wars movie and what does happen in it.

[01:23:47] Whew.

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: A special guest Cody and Molly are going to be on like, no they are not.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No they are not.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They I don't think they've spoken to each other in like eight years.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all very much for listening.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Next week we'll do Star Wars stuff that you like.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And please remember the whole story of Griffin Day of Presence, closing the judge, closing

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You watched the first half of this movie gave up.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Said it was garbage.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I really could not keep watching.

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But hey, there was a great shit scene.

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for listening and as always keep on wiping that shit.

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: On the beats the parts I'm not singing will you keep on repeating judge?

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Judge.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Judge.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Judge.

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Judge.

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a football.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a football.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a football.