Justin Timberlake + The Tennessee Kids

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Gonna have your podcast by the end of this song

[00:00:24] Gonna have your naked by the end of this podcast I don't feel... You don't feel committed to that Have you ever been to a Justin Timberlake show? I have not. Here's where this comes to a head. Not a big fan What's your problem with Justin?

[00:00:36] We'll get into it. I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about for the next 45 minutes For a period of time where I was like, maybe I want to audition for SNL I should have impressions So you tried at Justin?

[00:00:48] I thought I had a pretty good one at the time Do it again? Well that was me singing, let me do talking Very fine Hey I'm Justin Timberlake Yeah, then you nailed it Yeah sure, that's exactly what he's like

[00:00:59] Hey Lauren I'm in town this weekend if you want me to come on the show But do him in the social network A million dollars isn't cool, you know what's cool? No, is there something... He is a good actor He does voices Sometimes Yeah sometimes

[00:01:13] Here's the Justin Timberlake pattern He is a very good actor whenever he is working with A great director Which he smartly often does Yes, that's a weird thing I think I generally overall am not a fan of his as an actor

[00:01:27] And he has given maybe four performances that I cannot deny in any way in movies I love He's also, as I pointed out I think online at one point He was in two of maybe the best five movies of the decade Lou and Davis in social network? Yeah

[00:01:41] Right because Love Guru was the... And three if you count Bob Star Right, right But see his cameo and pop star is a perfect example about Where you're kind of like, okay This is where I'm like Justin Timberlake But four if you count in time

[00:01:56] In time also falls into the category of like I saw in time, of course I saw in time I saw in theaters opening weekend They were out of time What do we think of Friends with Benefits? Now I'm just looking at Justin

[00:02:07] Here's my take on Friends with Benefits Nealicunus rules Justin's a problem, someone needs to rate him in And he sings a song maybe? Does he sing a song in that one? He sings Closing Time Oh yeah Losing Time What about... I'm in Justin Timberlake

[00:02:23] Southland Tales very compelling scene Where he lip syncs to the killers I think that's kind of a good performance Yeah What about Wonder Wheel for God He was in that one, wow Well you know that's my favorite director

[00:02:34] And I want to talk about it for a very long time Sure What about The Love Guru? He's been in a lot of movies I made that joke He's been in so many movies Yes, yes You made that joke what? That the Love Guru exists

[00:02:47] No, I made it and everyone laughed And they gave me an OB and you moved on You said he's been in two of the five best movies Oh and In the last decade and I went right because Love Guru was the decade previous

[00:02:57] Oh I'm sorry I talked over here It was very funny and I got the awards I deserved What about... I'm a big, big special boy I'm going down here Shrek the third Yeah, yeah, he's in Shrek the third Which March Madness Be Damned we hopefully never talked about

[00:03:09] Apparently he's in Yogi Bear? Was he Bam Bam? Of course he's Boo Boo I mean Boo Put some respect on that name David Bam Bam's The Flintstones Correct This is another example of me going like Does Justin Timber like need to be Boo Boo? Like come on

[00:03:26] Maybe you want to be Boo Boo I don't know Well, I mean look not a bad take maybe it's time for a reboot Dark and gritty Yogi No but I Rachel do you know about the Yogi Bear poster? No Come here, come here Rachel you must see this

[00:03:39] Yogi Bear has the worst poster tagline combination of all time Of course the tagline is great things come in bears Which barely tracks as a joke But to make it worse the poster is Yogi standing directly behind Boo Boo

[00:03:53] Towering over him almost as if your mind could wander to the idea Let's just let's just leave it there But yeah, it's just great It's just great He's having sex with Boo Boo behind It's just funny because then they pivoted to like life's a picnic

[00:04:07] And then they were like oh right it's Yogi Bear There's plenty of other things we can do Here's what I find most offensive about that poster tagline combination You're implying that Yogi is a great thing Sure he's alright isn't he Because he inorgably is coming in a bear

[00:04:23] That is there's no question Quiet Quiet What about runner runner I mean another example of just like Justin What am I doing here Runner runner Affleck's in that Yeah And Gemma Archerton Who I feel like never got

[00:04:38] She kind of got she made a couple bad you know choices Yeah and like almost got like she was Almost the new me repace roll in Prometheus She was almost a Scarlet Shahansen roll and under the skin Wow That'd be interesting She was the choice Okay

[00:04:57] And they told Jonathan Glaser that he couldn't get the finance Get a bigger actor Sure And I think she was in talks for Prometheus And then Girl with the Dragon tattoo came out New me repace became the new hot thing And they like slotted her in there

[00:05:09] And then the one she did take were like Runner runner Prince of Persia Handsome and Gretel Right you're like she was in the big movies Is that Pirate Radio? It has two titles The boat that rocked is the British title I believe

[00:05:24] And Pirate Radio was the American title I don't know why they thought the boat that rocked would baffle I mean they're American audiences They're both such gripping titles It was kind of like they were Damned if you do damned if you don't

[00:05:36] Because either title is going to have audiences Tearing down the doors to get into that theater So Timberlake Justin Timberlake we're talking about his acting career But why are we talking about that? But that's not what's really on the docket today

[00:05:51] Well we're going to talk a little bit about both Because this is a podcast about Mic check, mic check Filmographies Directors who have massive success early on in their careers Are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion products they want Sometimes those checks clear

[00:06:06] And sometimes they bounce baby And this has been a mini-series on the films Of The Great Jonathan Demi And we are closing it out This mini-series titled Stop Making Podcast With what is his final feature length Directing credit Sad He did a couple TV episodes after this

[00:06:23] But he passed He only died like a year after this movie came out I know, I think he has two or three TV episodes that At least air after this I think you're right He was pretty prolific at the end of his career Despite the fact that

[00:06:39] There was a little bit of a slowdown on Narrative films Sure, but he was always very prolific He did a lot of documentaries in his last All Years Law TV and he even did an off-roadway show Sure His first time directing theater

[00:06:51] He was a guy who was constantly experimenting until Very end And it's very sad that we've lost him Yes His birthday was pretty recent There was sort of a February 22nd There was like a swell of Twitter again Of what would have been his 76th, I believe, birthday

[00:07:05] That sounds right, 76 or 77 But he really was One of a kind, special guy And I'm very happy we've talked about him We'll get emotional at the end of this episode When we wrap over thoughts But we're using Justin Timberlake Plus Plus symbol, the Tennessee kids

[00:07:23] As an excuse to get our final thoughts out there And to also sort of Acknowledge some of the other work he did Because in this mini-series We've done, we only covered two of his documentary films Proper Yeah Stop making sense, main feed Some of Kim Bode a Patreon

[00:07:40] In total he made 12 or 15 Feature length documentaries I'll watch him sometime I'm busy I watch, I'm Carolyn Parker And storefront Hitchcock Some of them are very hard to find Yes Cousin Bobby is like possible to find Which is one of the ones that's supposed to be incredible

[00:07:56] The one that I'm really fascinated to watch Yes And I could even find it through Koff Koff illegal channels I tried And I ambitiously thought At the beginning of this mini-series Because it's been so long That I would somehow find the time To watch all of the docs

[00:08:09] We always think All sorts of things Even if they were off Subject, but I didn't I watched I'm Carolyn Parker Which is about a woman displaced In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina Which is a wonderful film And I watched storefront Hitchcock Which is another amazing concert film

[00:08:23] 150 bucks for a VHS at Cousin Bobby This is the thing It's like that's the only way to access it Then another 20 bucks for the VHS player Yeah, right, exactly Excuse me, Rachel I don't need a VHS player Because I own too many things

[00:08:37] Jesus, I do not have a VHS player Because my apartment is a nightmare Of course I have a VHS player I own too many pieces of garbage Like a VHS player Sure, yeah Yeah, you don't need a VHS player I know You know, because the other problem

[00:08:53] Is that that encourages you to have VHSs Which is another space-taker-upper I have not bought one in a while I will say 10 years ago There was a set of under-10 films My favorites that had never been released On DVD or digital form But that's sort of...

[00:09:06] I think there is now zero films I have on VHS, but I don't They've got them all off Yeah, I think pretty much Especially just with the ones you can just rent On Apple or whatever The ones you don't rent on Amazon

[00:09:18] Because they're bad companies and everything wrong But yes, Justin Timberlake and the Tancy Kid His final film and feels very much like Justin Timberlake being like I love Stop Making Sense I'm doing this tour Would you like to film it?

[00:09:31] I would love now that I am Justin Timberlake And I can kind of do whatever I want To have Jonathan Demi make my concert film Which he'd never really done a concert film before I'm sure he's had film concerts Timberlake? Yeah No, yeah, I mean... Yeah, no

[00:09:46] He hadn't... I mean this is only the 2020s Or like his third and fourth albums Like it's not like he... There must be an NSYNC movie That's what I'm saying There must be some VHS I mean a reason to keep your VCR There must be some like

[00:09:59] No strings attached to work I'm not talking about on the line The romantic comedy starring Lance Bass and Joey Fatone from 2001 Which many view as canon within the NSYNC universe Which he is not But there is NSYNC bigger than live Right There you go

[00:10:15] But I imagine that's a pretty straightforward Kind of just like Here's a concert you can watch at home Yeah, yeah Get a chance to see NSYNC perform On your television screen in their own concert film That's the plot description Of NSYNC bigger than live

[00:10:29] Now what we were sort of talking about At the beginning of this episode It feels like the 2010s Were Justin Timberlake Trying to fight against being a musician By and large The 2010s Right You think so? Fight against being a musician?

[00:10:44] I think he just wanted to become a movie star Exactly I don't think that counted as fighting against his musical side If not fight against I think he very much wanted to background His music career So that he could really focus on the movie star thing

[00:10:56] Because I think he wanted to be someone Who was seen equally as both He... I'd love to chart exactly how it all worked for him But definitely the combo of SNL In becoming such a popular Whatever Which has always A drop in guy Burked me

[00:11:15] Because I think he does A fine job on SNL Yeah, he's pretty funny And then he shows up And people act like he's Steve Martin People talk about athlete funny Right? Where it's like Athletes are like those guys are so funny And it's like no, they're like okay

[00:11:29] And they can handle themselves But you're like LeBron is incredibly athlete funny LeBron would be at the absolute highest Right? And then, but then you know Like when SNL is hosted by JJ Watt And you're like yeah this guy is like You know he's okay He's charming enough

[00:11:41] You get a good try award Yeah And Timberlake has a little bit of that energy Sure Despite the fact that he is like A stage kid Child performer Like he's been performing his entire life His entire life And that is crazy His entire life

[00:11:57] I was when I was watching this last night with Flicky Like we were, I was just like Right he's literally only been a musician Like acting was a new job for him That was like that maybe he was just like Like another job Except his starting point was

[00:12:10] The Mickey Mouse Club Where he was doing both Sure, that's true That's acting He was doing both I mean he was doing little skits And he was doing songs and dances But even before then He was like look He was raised by musicians

[00:12:24] You know and he was like a little kid singing Like gospel music and church Sure Singing country music on star search And all that stuff like That's his entire life Yes Right But yes He was doing acting stuff And he was

[00:12:39] You know being in a band like Instinct Involves a lot of acting You know it's not like a normal band With normal concerts There's intense choreography And you're doing music videos And you have dialogue scenes in them You know and they're doing so many like

[00:12:53] Appearances on other things Yeah it's like post Future sex love sounds His big second solo album What's the first one called again? Jesus Christ Justified Of course Where everyone went like Huh Justin Solo Who knew he was kind of Had the potential to be like an usher

[00:13:13] Well just because the legacy Of the boy band's guy Going solo is Right So he kind of you know he knew what to do He worked with Timbaland He worked with the Nip Like he knew who to work with Right Like he was always like very smart

[00:13:28] About like how to evolve his career He comes out of the boys own thing He makes singles that people actually like Like Yes It becomes a solo act that's actually like Musically impressive He kind of takes the lane of I'm gonna do blue eyed soul Sure

[00:13:43] But with kind of R&B Yeah and then future sex love sounds Is him being like I'm gonna be like Prince You know or whatever And like that's bold And people mostly went for it That album's good Yeah yes Yes I like that album I do Congratulations

[00:13:58] Thank you that means the world to me But yes I think the other part of it is The thing that he sort of Most successfully transitioned to is He went from being teen heartthrob To adult sexy And the fact that he did that Largely through making albums

[00:14:15] That are mostly overtly sexual And shaving his head Yes Which was just a huge decision The old hair was so goofy I would just like you know I was in the in sync age right Yeah I was more of a Backstreet Boys kid Of course

[00:14:31] Right so in a Jetsons Sharks way I was like fucking in sync There were a couple songs I couldn't deny But I was like not a fan But I would go over to girls Apartments, Humble Bragg For play dates Humble Bragg After school supervised by parents Humble Bragg

[00:14:45] And they'd have the Justin posters On their wall And I'd be like this fucking guy Look at his dumb hair Like I could never get over The bleached ringlets Yeah It's very specific And then he shaved his head And put on a suit jacket

[00:14:58] And I was like god damn it This guy's handsome You guys look like a fucking vest on now This site looks great Fuck it looks like a snack time And post that Yes He kind of, you're right He's sort of like you know what

[00:15:08] You know going on a bit of a hiatus He had done in the year after He does a lot of collaborations And he's like I'm going to do some acting And Future Sex Love Sounds is 2007 Yeah And 2008 is Shrek the Love Guru I'm sorry I believe that's nine

[00:15:26] I might be eight I can't remember I think Love Guru is eight And Shrek the third is seven And it was this thing where like He's doing these two Mike Myers movies And then they were doing a lot Like talk shows together

[00:15:38] And then Mike Myers was doing this like Promotor Like Justin Timberlake's a real actor Justin Timberlake's a real actor He's great He's going to be a real actor And both of those movies Kind of don't do anything for him He is very annoying in Shrek the third

[00:15:50] Do you remember this? Which is the worst of the Shrek films A movie that does not exist With Jeff Ridges Like a road trip movie Father, son The open road Road trip drama Dramadies starring Hey Mara Yeah, like what is this movie I don't know

[00:16:03] So then it feels like he like Backs off again And has like got to re-strategize The movie career thing I don't think that's true Because then he does social network I think he just stuck with it I was going to say I think social network is him

[00:16:14] Restrategizing too The goal isn't to be in the biggest movies The goal is I got to get in the right movies And I shouldn't worry about being a star I should just work with good directors I will play the third lead in this film

[00:16:24] Rather than being the guy And I just think everyone likes him So I think he's one of those guys Who's just like he's professional He shows up Yeah He's very enthusiastic He'll take direction Like you know I don't think he's a very ego-y No Actor

[00:16:37] Which is why he has such a good reputation When why like the Fincher's of the world Will work with him Well there's the story about when Fincher Hired him And he went look I know you're a big star And you're used to doing like Sure

[00:16:47] You know music and stuff You're not used to acting So I'm not going to hold you The same standard as the other actors And make you do 100 takes Right with the Fincher thing It makes you do 100 takes And then Justin Timberlake was like Are you kidding me

[00:16:56] I was in a boy band I'm used to doing everything 500 times Right You have no idea how hard We had to work at the choreography For our live shows I'm a machine I can do this At Infinium And Fincher was like This is my fucking guy

[00:17:09] Not that he ever worked with him again Yeah exactly Well he only made one more movie But it was another thing too It's another thing where then Fincher Goes to people like I'm very impressed with Justin Timberlake Doing the press He's like this guy's a real actor

[00:17:19] And that's the one where people start To take him a little seriously I think he's totally good And as you say Movies that are made by You know good movies That are made by good filmmakers Right I will also say that like I've seen Bad Teacher

[00:17:30] I forgot he was in it Who's he in that He plays the nerdy guy Great I've seen like I never saw you know He's like the second lead in that movie I mean she ends up with Or she's trying to Get him to leave his wife

[00:17:43] Seagull is the coach Right She ends up with She's after Timberlake But Seagull is the guy Who's sort of just like chilling Yeah And you're like Well there he She's gonna end up with Seagull Even though Seagull's Like four times the size of Cameron D But he's ostensibly

[00:17:57] The second lead of that film And then Seagull and Cameron D Has another movie together So weird Do you think they're like pals I guess And then Seagull and Cameron D Has both kind of retired From being in movies Seagull was just on a Simmons's podcast

[00:18:10] And he was He is a fascinating person But he's not pretentious at all He's just like I was an idiot I thought being on How I Met Your Mother Was Bad Like I would complain about it At the time being like Oh I could be doing all that

[00:18:21] And I'm like That was a lovely show All the people were nice I was making off so much money Like what's my fucking problem Like And he has been very open About the fact that he had Very serious drinking problems And I think sex tape was

[00:18:33] The end of the road for him Where he was like What am I doing being in big Stupid movies And backed away and has only Appeared in a handful of Indies Since 2012 We're not here to talk about J.C.C. We're not here to talk about

[00:18:45] Just in Timberlake But all of this Movie star career stuff is important Cause then you get Like things like Runner Runner Where he's like I can do my own Serious adult thriller And everyone's like Hardpass Don't need it Friends with benefits Which ends up sort of being

[00:19:00] Brides made to No strings attached Yeah the only thing I would say That we're not counting Is that earlier When he's a movie When he's a pop star Ron of like Edison Alpha dog, Southland Tails, Black Snake Moon When he is Fine in all those movies

[00:19:16] He's pretty fine in all those movies Playing supporting roles So he actually always Has been pretty good about Like I'm pretty ego less Like I don't need to be You know But to be fair The energy around Those performances felt closer To like when Beyonce's in a movie

[00:19:31] Sure Where it's like Whether or not she's good Isn't it crazy that this International music star Is in a movie From 2007 on He's like I want to be seen as Equally An actor And a musician And so And a comedian And a comedian Right He's so funny

[00:19:48] Because he shows up And he says a joke What's the funniest thing He ever did on SNL? Thank you I don't even dislike him On SNL I just don't I can tell you what I think I think he's fine on it I resent him only because

[00:20:02] Everyone overrates his performances I know, I resent It's just strong I like Justin Timberlake Even though I should Resent how much credit he gets And I also think The more credit he's gotten For SNL hosting The more his SNL hosting And you know Pop-up appearances

[00:20:16] And other comedy things Become wink-wink Look at the audience Isn't it funny That I'm Justin Timberlake In this He did kind of stop I feel like he hasn't done A lot of SNL over the years The sort of fallon thing Has faded in general

[00:20:28] But his pop star appearance Is like the one bit In that movie that Hugs me I don't remember it It's all like Yeah, people say I could never be a pop star So I'm here in the kitchen Like it's all meta jokes about

[00:20:38] I don't have what it takes He plays his chef or something And there was a sketch That was like All the immigrants On the boat Heading to Ellis Island And everyone's talking About what they dream Their ancestors could Accomplish in America And he's saying I want my grandson

[00:20:53] To be a pop star He'll be in a boy band And then he'll do this It's all jokes about him He hasn't been on SNL In seven years I give him credit for that Yeah, I think he really did Call it quits

[00:21:04] I mean, he did the 40th special Yeah Of course Okay, so that's Yeah, I guess it's that You know Post-Sanberg That But the 40th special opens With him and Fallon Doing a medley of All the SNL songs Yeah, and the last two times The last time he appeared

[00:21:22] Was when Fallon hosted And he was the musical guest Makes sense Right, those are his two guys It's Samberg and Fallon Are his two ends It makes sense He's not coming back if they're not And I would argue that Fallon Really, I mean, Fallon Whatever

[00:21:33] And Samberg has a better idea Of how to make him funny Correct Fallon in a way What am I going to say? Yeah, it's funny This is so great Oh my god This guy is right here He's just dimmerling Fallon's got a lot of Same problems as Timberling

[00:21:47] Yeah, what are you talking about? We're having a great time They maybe bring out The worst in each other The worst Is only good in the world Samberg brings out the best In Timberling, usually He frames it very well He makes him a fool

[00:21:59] As he loves to make himself a fool And that's fun I have my answer for you Okay, fine Here's what I think the funniest thing Justin Timberling's ever done In SNL is Very good talk show Yeah, that's pretty funny That's his best comedic performance Yeah, right

[00:22:11] Right, that's funny Yeah, he's very good But then it got a little boring Sure But that's, I mean, they did it 18 times They did it too many times But he is always consistently Very good in that But when this is rolling around Yes He releases the 2020 experience albums

[00:22:25] Which I would say are bloated And mixed Very sort of mediocre They've got some bangers But they've got a lot of chaps Here's a very important thing That I want to point out Because this is my whole thesis About him sort of backgrounding His music career Yeah

[00:22:39] He signed a three record deal For the 2010s Yeah, and he really had to like And 2016 came around And they're like Your zero albums in six years No, no, no He released those in 2013 2014 Oh, okay, I'm sorry But you're right that the second one He's like

[00:22:56] This is my fourth studio album And you're like This is like a remix album Totally Right So there was that stretching And then he slips in I know it's not It's like a B-Sides album Right But he was like No, this is a real album

[00:23:08] It's a real album Contractually it's a real album And then What's it called? Man of the Woods Yeah Is very much him Like gun to the back of his head I never even listened to that I saw the music video It's wild Where he looks

[00:23:20] On the tree stump And I saw the name of it And I said I never need to engage with this No one engaged with it Or you're gonna say It's wild that Just like a guy who was arguably Like the biggest pop star Of my teenage years

[00:23:33] Like released an album And people weren't even mad They were just like No, that's alright We're not gonna change the image Because the headline was Look, it's a contractual thing He's gotta get something out He made this album in like three months The story was that

[00:23:45] They came to him and they were like You need to start working now And he made that whole album Very quickly We once ate at his restaurant It's actually pretty good It's not bad We ate there after seeing Jack Reacher never go back

[00:23:56] See, that I could not remember I remember it was after seeing a movie I have really good memory Only when it's in relation to Times and places I saw movies Southern hospitality I believe it's called I don't think it might be gone I can't remember

[00:24:07] Is it still there? I think it's a little chain I think it exists in multiple places I believe it's still there In Hell's Kitchen Gone Really? Too bad There used to be one on the Upper East Side, is that gone? Looks like they're all gone

[00:24:18] Apparently Justin has set the record Straight, I know this is about Whatever, it doesn't matter Holding hands with that lady Is that what it's about? He was holding hands with a lady? He was spotted holding hands with A lady in Nolans And the problem is that lady

[00:24:30] Was not Jessica Biel But who was it? A lady who was in a movie That he's starring in That's like He's doing like a modern Oliver Twist movie Where he's playing the artful Dodger Jesus Christ It's like a Alicia Wainwright? Is she a Wainwright?

[00:24:47] I think somebody was holding that hand Jesus, the sun needs my consent Now come on Let me find a less offensive web Let's try page six You don't give him Do not give him your consent He was holding that hand She's younger than him They're not holding hands

[00:25:05] She has her hand on his knee Wait a second Maybe there's a second picture Oh They zoomed in You found it Oh no Sorry They zoomed them I drank way too much that night And I regret my behavior Wow Jesus Justin Yeah

[00:25:23] This is another thing I don't like About Justin Timberlake He's got a kid, you know They had a son Forky was asking me about Like, because she's watching this With me and she's like She's like, what is it 18 months of this? Like do you see your family?

[00:25:39] Does anyone else Like, you know And I'm showing her like the dates And she's like It's like every two days Like how does this work? And then I look up and her His son is born three months after this show Which is the last one

[00:25:50] You know they got pregnant In the middle of this tour So I guess she's hanging out Maybe she's in and out Right there Clearly he had some off time The busy work What don't you like about him? Here's another thing I don't like about him

[00:26:04] Three times is a pattern, okay He has at least three times If not more Gotten in hot water And kind of thrown The woman involved under the bus Yeah, well he totally threw Janet Jackson under the bus That's the one I remember

[00:26:16] I would argue he threw Brittany under the bus I guess so That was right That's such a past era of tabloids But yeah, he kind of did I think he manipulated a very sexist media At the time Definitely When he was trying to make himself serious

[00:26:30] Brittany got screwed over And pushed himself out of that But he always was cashing in on I'm the victim He has a little bit of that Teflon thing Yeah And he kind of does here Yeah And this show I find this movie to be kind of excellent Yeah

[00:26:45] I think it's very well directed Unsurprisingly Yes And I think that he's a very polished performer Who is, you know, mostly charming or whatever But there is that sort of polish thing I mean, look If you compare this to stop making sense It's a terrible comparison

[00:27:01] But you shouldn't do that No, you shouldn't That's a ridiculous comparison But the problem is This podcast forces us to compare the two of them This is the gilded cage where we made fairy tales Not only is stop making sense Just a totally different kind of show

[00:27:12] Different kind of performer But also, like, that's the best concert movie ever made Right But you hire the guy who made the best one It's true But I would hire him Of course Who would you hire? Jonathan Demi Exactly I'd pull out the Necromotent Namicon

[00:27:26] I'd figure it out The point is I'm not saying he made the wrong choice By hiring Jonathan Demi And I'm not saying it was an act of hubris To try to topple stop making sense But also them being by the same guy

[00:27:41] Forces us to look at the two of them And forces you to compare his stage show To talking head stage show Which is not a comparison you should make But if we just get into personal preference I'm not a huge fan of polish That's just my taste

[00:27:55] I don't like polish What do you mean? I don't like polish Should I keep doing my Fallon? Yeah, do your Fallon And I'll do my Justin This is crazy I went to this show Jimmy, that's great That's so funny, Jimmy Oh man, Jimmy, that's funny

[00:28:09] I think this is interesting To think about the evolution of these kinds of shows When the talking heads are doing that show In the early 80s There's no such thing as a stadium tour really And certainly there is not the production value

[00:28:23] That could be even available to you To have like a catwalk That moves up and down the arena I guess arena rock is starting around that time It's around men It's like the U2's of the world But even they, I think it's sort of like

[00:28:35] I mean, stadium shows exist of course But like it's pretty stripped down It's like they come out They play their loud music Mollie, crew and KISS Are starting to do like Yeah, I guess it's those guys Where it's a bigger production

[00:28:47] Right, and it's like we're going to put Tommy Lee on a platform We're going to have explosions But it's still at the end of the day Like a rock band Yes And then I don't know when That like, I guess it's in the 90s

[00:28:57] That the pop tour that will have a lot of You know, like a pop star Not a rock band Which at that point It also needs to sort of function as theater Yeah You have multiple costume changes and scenes And it's so much dancing

[00:29:09] I mean, it must be so exhausting That's another thing I just kind of get stressed out watching this movie Watching him, I am impressed Like to sing and dance at the same time And you see him sweating so much Yeah Which is a nice relief

[00:29:21] Every time he cuts into a close-up You see him sweating And I'm like, cool He is a human He's not an automaton But also I'm like Why are we making anyone do this? Why is he making himself do this? He's making so much money

[00:29:31] This thing fucking makes money hand over fist I know I saw him when I was a teenager And it would have been for his first album Okay, very justified Yeah Like an 03, 03 Yeah, and he was on this crane That would move around And he would beatbox

[00:29:48] Remember, he was really into beatboxing He was like a fucking cuckoo Like the Harry Potter one Yeah, like he was cherry picking You know, like he was gonna Rescue some cats from the Raptors But I just remember at the time being Very impressed with just

[00:30:02] The enormity of his effort Was so obvious Sure Which is how I also felt When I went to concerts When I was 13 or 14 No, but no I was going to I went to a lot of rock shows Like as I mostly went to rock shows

[00:30:14] And like that's like Like the strokes would come out And they'd be like We don't do any fucking on-course And then they would like play for half an hour And they would leave And you're like They're so stoned I think we went

[00:30:25] It's such a waste of everyone's money I think we went to a lot of the same concerts In those years We were in the same mood And some more sensibilities We were in a different city though We were talking about New York City

[00:30:33] We were both going to Rosalind Ballroom I was in London, my friend Was going to the Brixton Academy Going to the Forum Why would you Fly all the way to London To see bands that were playing in New York Where you live I saw JT at Wembley Stadium

[00:30:47] But I don't understand He did New York dates Why didn't you go to the New York dates? They were I lived in London What? I'm sorry I backed away from the mic I'm just here and training Working aboard I backed away My point is

[00:31:05] I think we were seeing a lot of the same acts Because of our taste in music And the time Right? Sure And I preferred musically Groups like The Strokes But yes There was no sort of Commitment to stage craft there No Not at all And I saw like

[00:31:23] Oasis or whatever Where like Liam Gallacher Was just actively hostile Would sit down Like if he had nothing to do And just kind of stare into space Throw water at people Like he would seem really like I paid money Like this is an uncomfortable experience for me

[00:31:40] I remember going to a Vines concert Oh god Or that guy was He had some issues He was an ill man Yeah But he was drinking God you went to a vine I went to a vines show Yeah we probably went to the same one No

[00:31:53] Mine was at the Bricks in Academy in maniac So I went to a vines This is what I'm saying I think we probably went to a lot of the same Right Tourism Similar generation Yes in the same city And the vines guy was drinking on stage Craig Gillespie

[00:32:06] No that's It was Craig something What if it turned out The director of Iqtania used to be Craig Nichols Craig Nichols I was a big vines fan But he was drinking on stage And then just In the middle of a song

[00:32:19] Like turned his head and glared off stage And then like A roadie sheepishly came on stage With a different guitar And then he would just look at him And hold up his arms Like a toddler who wanted his mom to take off his shirt

[00:32:33] And would make them remove the other guitars Oh he wouldn't even remove his own guitar And then put the new one on him And he wouldn't say anything That's some real like I'm 23 and suddenly I'm the boss of everyone Energy or whatever

[00:32:46] So when I would go see a pop concert Where there were pyrotechnics Choreography and that sort of stuff I would be very impressed I'd be like Wow they're doing a lot of work I went to a libertine show where The Carl and Pete fought on stage

[00:32:59] And they started punching each other Anyway You know what I'm saying When also like This is a show where you need to be concerned For your performer's safety Like this is like you say It's theater But also we're both fans of theater

[00:33:12] So even though we like rock music And to some degree we're buying into the bullshit Of these people's behaviors Right if we're going to these shows There's also just an appreciation That you and I have For that kind of stage craft The preparation, the work, the rehearsal

[00:33:29] That clearly goes into something like this That having been said as I've gotten older It has just become not my tempo Well you're not going to go to one Yeah I mean we're old We're old fogies now We're old fogies Oh my god Do you know

[00:33:42] Like I'm now more in the zone where I'm like Paul McCartney's doing another farewell tour Maybe I'll go I think the last concert I went to I don't know why I lifted my mug Like it's just an old person I guess It was good physical comedy

[00:33:54] You were committing to the best Old people have mugs It's a new stereotype I was going to say I think the last concert I went to Of my own volition Outside of friends of mine Like I will go see friends of mine play

[00:34:07] And I will go see them play At the smallest venue that they're playing at Right The last one I think I went to Of my own volition was Yayayas Sure Which I went to with Romley When she was still in high school

[00:34:19] So this was a handful of years ago And I spent the entire concert Trying to justify to her Why being in the seats Rather than in the standing area Was the better thing to appreciate The music Let her go to the standing area You stay in the seats

[00:34:34] That was the point I realized at that moment I am not of the mindset to be going To these concerts every morning I am making this experience lame for her She is 17 She should be having fun And I'm like Well, you don't want to stand Your knees hurt

[00:34:47] Romley, this is a really good choice I made Wow Fair enough Of course the people sitting in front Of us stood up And then my point was negated We were just far away from the stage They come out, right? I know

[00:34:58] I'm a moron and I'm an old man And it's literally I'm the oldest person alive But you could go to this kind of a show This is an arena And you could, you know You could sit in a seat There was one thing I've gone to More recently

[00:35:08] Which was Pylot and I went to see Genome-née Which was fucking amazing And was kind of the halfway point Between these two things Where was it? Was it like the Barclay Center or something? Is it the Hulu Theater? In regards

[00:35:18] You gotta stream it at the Hulu Theater That bright green theater Well, this show Has a lot of video elements Has a lot of costume changes But also feels Janelle as much as she is A very physical performer She's a little closer to James Brown Than Justin Timberlake

[00:35:32] Where it's like She's being moved by the thing And she's constantly moving And it's very physical But it feels a little more organic But this show Which we're watching a production I believe the MGM Theater Right, or whatever it's called In Vegas It's his last show

[00:35:46] In this tour Grand Garden Arena It's his last show On a gigantic basically two-year tour And Demi Doesn't do the same shit He did with Stop Making Sense at all The first ten minutes of it Are this kind of lovely He's introducing you to every member

[00:36:01] Of the band And they say where they're from And they say like, you know Something about themselves Yes, and most of them are from Tennessee Not most, but a lot A lot of them Well, you know, he's a Tennessee kid That's my point He's a Memphis boy Right

[00:36:16] And throughout And he is truly A Southern gentleman But I feel like Popular culture tends to smooth people out And make everyone kind of mid-Atlantic And the last ten years He's tried to reclaim A lot more of his Southern heritage

[00:36:27] Yeah, he owns a steak in the Memphis Grizzlies The basketball team Well, great, congratulations And apparently He has a partnership with Saouza Licker I'm just reading his very They are these celebrities But I do think Because a show like this Tends to be so much a sort of

[00:36:50] Tribute to the greatness of the one performer At the center spotlight And it's not what he's doing It's a very demi-touch to be like I want to underline how many people It takes to make this show Yes And that these people are also on the road

[00:37:01] With him for a year and a half And their lives are all in on this And they're a family Right This tour was actually It was called the JT 2020 Experience or whatever And then they were like four years early That's true And then they were like

[00:37:14] Four years early That's true But the movie is called Justin Timberlake and the Tennessee Kids Classic Demi-Reframing Yes, but I mean Generosity The show is very It does spotlight the other performers a lot And he lets them sort of You know, they have verses sometimes

[00:37:31] And they have little performances And stuff like that But even in terms of the lighting setup Well, I mean look It is just a different like show That's my point Right, right So unlike talking heads Where their show already has That narrative structure That spotlights everyone really individually

[00:37:44] Right Mm-hmm Every performer on stage Really gets moments Demi has to throw in a little bit of narrative Refocusing before the concert itself starts Yeah By letting you spend time with all these people Which is very nice And my favorite part of the movie I do like that

[00:38:00] I like the whole thing though I find it very comforting And easy to watch Like, I've seen it before It's a very easy watch It's easy to watch I was not expecting I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that it is A concert that covers his whole career

[00:38:15] And isn't just him doing 2020 experience stuff Yeah, sure He doesn't do in sync stuff But he has covers And he has songs from All of his first four albums Yeah I like that Sure That hasn't been said It is that weird thing now Where it's like

[00:38:33] After the years of I'm not a boy band guy I'm like a sexual dude I'm like in this I'm hard to afford He's bringing sexy back He's bringing sexy back And now it's a very theatrical Very high concept Sort of like I'm like a 1920s big band

[00:38:47] Sort of aesthetic I'm wearing the full three piece suit Which looks so hot Tom Ford designed But I was going to say It looks physically Like very warm To be wearing On that stage While dancing in that way With those lights on you Oh my god

[00:39:04] I got stressed out looking at him Not removing items of clothing I was like Do you think he wears something underneath Like some kind of like Sweat wicking Maybe Clothes There are those things too Which we use on the tip But not nearly enough

[00:39:19] Which they always use for like Superhero things The fans, like the internal fans Well that's the crazy level Like a cooling system They built that into Peter's Costume for Season 2 But No the thing they do is They have these things That are like astronaut shirts

[00:39:32] That are like very tight There's like a shirt version of it And there's like a full Spandex body suit version of it And there are plastic tubes Sown into it And someone can There's like a little tube Port And you're back And someone can unzip you

[00:39:49] And plug into that And then they run Cool water through the tube I would like one of those Just for day to day use David, it is the number one Greatest sensation I have ever felt I love water I do too I want one of those like

[00:40:03] Toilets that like shoots water at you I want water everywhere in my life People say this And they usually don't mean it And I mean this from the bottom of my heart It feels better than sex this thing And I did it I had someone flick the switch

[00:40:15] And I went This must be why people like doing heroin This one moment where suddenly This amazing relief comes Right But Justin Timberlake could not be doing that Because he's on stage the entire time No I don't know how he does this

[00:40:28] I don't know how he doesn't think I think he just sweats it out dude I think he's just sweaty Then he like takes a shower Yeah Right? What a shower It must feel good Yeah exactly There must be a fun shower Yeah maybe he has an ice bath

[00:40:40] Like he's a basketball player That is something that Basketball players do That I also am like I'm sure they're exhausted I'm sure they are You know Their muscles are seizing up and all that But like it seems really nice To walk off the court

[00:40:53] After like two and a half hours Of hard exercise If you're doing something that intense And getting a nice bath And be like You know like do that You do a nice new routine Free plug I'm Mari Sodomai Getting a nice bath You should bathe in wine What?

[00:41:06] Wine and ice? I'll show it to you I mean it was That was what I was thinking He was like it's great And everyone else is like He's making this Like this is not There is no medical purpose He tried to argue

[00:41:20] It was actually better for his muscles Rather than just being Yeah I think Yeah A way to big dog everybody You're right Oh man He loves bathing in wine Was it like good wine Or was he like bathing In like france? Oh was it good wine?

[00:41:32] I just want to imagine An intern dumping franzia Into a tin bathtub Yeah well according to A veno therapy studio In a tascadero The acids in the wine grape Strengthen micro-circulation So fuck me for Even daring to But also he's fucking up

[00:41:53] With the wine with the ice cubes That's a fair I'm not seeing any ice cubes here It might be just wine Then he's a purist and he's a good fan And he's kind of sensitive pallet Yeah Anyway Have we ever discussed this Insane thing Five second anecdote

[00:42:08] That my father every night Drinks a coffee mug Of red wine with ice cubes in it My father who is currently A waiting trial for war crimes For that habit His veins are probably Waiting trial for war crimes They are Why does he do Why ice cubes

[00:42:26] I don't know It's the world's dirtiest coffee mug That he fills to the brim Is it always the same one? Is there like a wine mug? He's got like I'd say he's got four really dirty mugs In rotation They're the same ones he's been using since 1994 Fair enough

[00:42:41] He has other mugs But I feel like the wine is almost Does he drink wine with dinner as well? Or is this like This is his wine for the night This is post-dinner But he might have had some wine already I'd say often not Unless he's going out

[00:42:53] Yeah In which case he probably wouldn't do it You know He's like Having a little dinner by himself Eating at home or whatever Then afterwards He strips down to just his boxer shorts Lies down the couch Plays on a 24-hour news channel

[00:43:07] And drinks a mug of red wine with ice cubes Oh boy Pass the future guest Pass the future guest Alright So I don't know The show The movie I mean look The guy It's pretty cool I like when he dances around I said this thing in the

[00:43:28] Stop Making Sense episode Where I'm like This movie is so undeniable I can't see the way that anyone Would have any complaint against it Unless they just didn't like The Talking Heads music Which I also can't even really imagine Right? Sure And watching this

[00:43:43] It's not that I hate Justin Timberlake I'm conflicted on Cam There are a lot of things about him That irritate me There are a lot of things That I think are undeniable about him But watching this I was like I would never have my own volition

[00:43:53] Watch a 90-minute Justin Timberlake concert documentary If not directed by Jonathan Deming I might watch it But you're right that the Demi Sheen Sort of Right I'm just saying my personal preference I just think it's this fascinating thing Of like How corporate And I don't even mean that

[00:44:09] Entirely negatively Sure It's also just kind of how things have gone Yes But how corporate this kind of event feels That's kind of the thing that bums me out But it's not like Justin Timberlake Is responsible I'm not holding that against him

[00:44:22] And it's also just the thing of like If you're going to do something On this kind of a scale It has to feel like almost like a business operation Yes It's unavoidable And I think Jonathan Deming He's trying to find these little touches Of humanity everywhere Totally

[00:44:39] And I do Like he says he wants to find these small moments Of interaction between the people on stage My favorite thing about this movie Yeah What I love is that The show ends It was a great show Everyone's cheering And then there's 10 minutes

[00:44:50] Of breaking down the sets Love that And there's that kind of casual reveal That Timberlake is there Sipping a coffee Looking normal Yeah And I'm like He doesn't have to be there for this Surely he doesn't have to be there for the Like, you know, whatever

[00:45:05] They take the catwalk down or whatever But he's just hanging out too And it's just kind of like Right, because this is all part of it I'm going to say something You might fundamentally disagree with Okay Part of me wishes this movie

[00:45:15] Were structured more like The Last Waltz Where rather than it being Like 10 minutes of You know, or 8 minutes or whatever Of interviewing the people Who are part of the tour At the beginning and the breakdown At the end and otherwise it's just Show

[00:45:30] I would like it if in between numbers There were Some of those I said, yeah, I knew you were going to disagree I am not angry with you I know you're not angry I think then you have Yeah, I do love you very much

[00:45:42] Then you have a tour show on your hands Which is a different thing It's my taste Well, that's interesting In and of itself I'm not faulting the movie for not doing that My problem with a tour show Is that those things are so cliched

[00:45:55] And it's impossible to avoid cliches Except Never Say Never Which is a really good movie I've never seen Never Say Never But you know what I mean Like, you know, but it is The aesthetics of the sort of locked film And the other thing I wish

[00:46:08] And once again Not holding against this movie That it's not these two other things I think this movie is about as good As it could possibly be For what it is trying to do And I don't mean that as faint praise I think this is objectively

[00:46:22] And impressively put together a show And Jonathan Demi knows how to shoot Musicians better than anyone Who's ever done it He totally does And there are things that I feel like You don't see in these things Where he zooms out and tries to take in the Insane visuals

[00:46:37] And not in a way where he's like Drink it in But where the light patterns Are just kind of dancing across the camera And it's just sort of like overwhelming And I feel like he wants you to just Feel overwhelmed He doesn't want you to feel like

[00:46:49] Odd, exactly But just kind of like, Jesus Yeah, love that I was gonna say the other thing And this is just me thinking about A movie that I would prefer to see Not criticizing this movie for not being that But something like storefront Hitchcock

[00:47:03] Which is so creative where it's like Well, rather than just do a Robin Hitchcock Concert film Why don't we put Robin Hitchcock In a storefront And have him just play there And anyone who's walking by in the street Will happen to see this concert Sure

[00:47:18] Which is such a cool kind of Jonathan Demi idea That's a great idea Yes, this film is much closer to The Neil Young documentaries that he's made It's a concert movie Which are the same kind of thing where you're just like

[00:47:28] This is a nice guy making a really, really intelligent Concert film Yeah Of a good professional Seven out of ten Yeah, I guess so I mean it's good I probably put it as a six But I take a notch off just for liking

[00:47:44] One point less than you do That's not Demi's But I don't even like him that much I know And I like him one point less than you do But I like him alright Right, exactly Here's where I am with him Yeah

[00:47:54] He has not made any music of interest to me In many years Yes I don't care But if he did decide to make music That it was of interest to me again I'd be like Oh, that's nice I am not resistant to giving him praise

[00:48:05] When I think he has earned it And I think he has earned it A great number of times And what goes around comes around I fucking love and I listen to that All the time That's probably my favorite It's a good moment in the show Performance in this

[00:48:15] Not only because it is my favorite song It is But I also like that it is a very Different interpretation of that song I like when he did poison Yes The covers are good Even the tracks Well, it does human nature by much Oh right Of course

[00:48:28] And when you see that It's interesting because it's like Of course this is his number one Musical influence Right Both in terms of his age He grew up with that music Yes And just like the way he But it is fascinating to consider All the implications I know

[00:48:42] And it is It's a good, you know It's a good cover It's a good production of it It's a good cover But it's also one of those things Where you're like Wow, 2016 feels a long time ago When he goes like And of course I'm throwing out

[00:48:54] To my number one Because he had just died No, he hadn't just died No, he died in 2011, 2012 Yeah No, he died earlier He died in 2008 Stop screaming at me Hey, died I think he died in 2008 Nine, 2009 Okay Yeah This was in that period In that low post-death period

[00:49:11] Where people were like Well, you know what You know, a lot of pluses and minuses But at the end of the day The music, right Like people were sort of just like You know what, the end of the day The music's good It is a crazy thing

[00:49:21] See, you're the one who's now Yelling into the microphone I've never yelled in my life Well, I love you It's a crazy thing That Podcast The Riot has covered Extensively But that like When the first wave Of allegations came out Against Michael Jackson And it's a great thing

[00:49:35] That he's been doing And when the allegations came out Against Michael Jackson They immediately pulled Michael Jackson out of Disney World Which was the most expensive Attraction of all time, Captain EO Yeah And then when he died They were like, oh it's back

[00:49:47] And it was back for seven years And then they pulled it again When After finding Neverland Yes Or when it was on the horizon Leaving Neverland Leaving Neverland Yeah Do we want to do our Demi-ranking So leave anything left to say about this movie Let's now

[00:50:03] My ranking list is kind of crazy Crazy I have like all these like Switched arrows And I even think I might rethink A couple of these as I'm saying You're crazy You go first You want me to go first Because yours is crazy I'll go first Yeah, okay

[00:50:17] I'll do bottom to top Okay I mean I have 20 movies ranked here It's the 20 movies we covered Because it's a lot It might be fun to go bottom to top Alright, fine Alright So at number 20 A master builder What? I'm sorry Correct Come in Come in 19 Crazy Mama

[00:50:35] Wow 18 swing shift Now that's Yeah, I'm trickling The release cut of the film Which is when I'm ranking Have you? Okay I'm not ranking The director's cut I took a different part I just as much as I Loved watching it I have not seen that thing

[00:50:50] In anything but A fucking You know VHS bootleg With a time code Hey, that's what makes you You and me Me Number 17 God, what's it even called Fighting Mad Okay 16 citizens banned Mm-hmm 15 last embrace 14 cage teat 13 truth about Charlie Wow Too high? Too low? Who can say

[00:51:14] Make me think 12 Ricky and the Flash 11 beloved Mm-hmm 10 Justin Timberlake And the Tennessee Kicks Boy 9 Manchurian candidate Okay This one might make you mad 8 Melvin and Howard No, it doesn't make me mad Okay, fine 7 Philadelphia That makes me furious 6 married to the mob Okay Now we're getting into

[00:51:35] Like masterpiece zone Yeah 5 Swim into Cambodia 4 something wild 3 Rachel getting married 2 Stop making sense 1 Silence of the Lambs Yeah, I'm rethinking a bunch Of these things Okay, ready? Let me try this Number 20 Am I surprised you'd hear Wait, am I going to have To come in? David

[00:51:52] I invite you to come in Because our master filter Is coming in on it This poor movie We just kick the shit out of it Never, never heard of fly How does that somehow become The new most bullied film on our show Okay, number Number

[00:52:07] The loveliest man and Just lovely people Lovely people But Jesus Christ Do I never want to watch That thing ever again Number 19 fighting Matt Okay, sure Number 18 Ricky in the flash Sure, pretty low It's, it's I wasn't ready for Ricky At the end of the day

[00:52:27] Really, like Ricky She's alright Number 17 Last embrace Okay Number 16 Just in Timberlake And the Tennessee kids Sure It's not my tempo Okay, it's not your tempo And here's the thing you need To understand about the film It's just not my tempo Love it when you repeat a joke

[00:52:48] And then add setup to it No, but I just I'm making a reductive joke About it, but the reality is It's just not my tempo Fucking asshole God, you're lucky that my Two o'clock canceled Yeah, I am I was ready to behave so well

[00:53:06] And then you told me You had a cancellation And now baby I'm wild and woolly Number 15 Would be Is this right? No, Timberlake was 15 No, I think it was 16 Timberlake is 16 Thank you 15 truth about Charlie Get crazy mama in here What's going on? I agree I'm 14

[00:53:31] I made a cage cheat Sure, same We agree on that one Number 13 is crazy mama Okay, fine That's my favorite of the early ones That movie made no sense to me I got it Dare I say it? Yeah It was kind of my tempo It was

[00:53:46] I went ringa ding ding That's my tempo Okay Number 12, beloved Uh-huh, sure Number 11, citizens band Sure, you like that one More than me When it works it really works I agree with that You might also give it another shot some day It's got some magic in it

[00:54:02] And we watched it in a period Where we were watching like five movies We were watching it fast I mean, I'm not like you I try to schedule ahead of time But yeah Well, you know But crazy mama and citizens band for me Are sloppy

[00:54:14] But they have these real moments up here I don't dislike any of these movies Except maybe a master builder That's the only one And just to be clear I would give a master builder An atomic wedgie if I could But this is overall Standard level of quality

[00:54:33] Like the basement is like a 6 out of 10 Or whatever And for how many films it is Like for being our longest miniseries It's also weirdly maybe the most consistent Yes, 100% Or at least the highest No, because I even like the truth about Charlie Which is like the bomb

[00:54:49] Right Anyway Number 10, man, sharing a candle Number nine, swimming to Cambodia Ooh, that's too low Well, you know what? I did a little switchy here Fine So I gotta acknowledge the switch Number nine, married to the mob Number eight, swimming to Cambodia Okay Then I do number seven

[00:55:07] Swing shift directors Okay, I don't mean me to That's me, that's you Yeah, it's a tempo thing Philadelphia number six Yeah And now we get into master piece territory I think there are pretty much five Inarguable master pieces this guy's made

[00:55:21] Just five hall of famers outside the park Right, because for you Melvin is at that level For me it's a little below So I go something wild Number five Melvin Howard, number four So we have the same top three Yeah Rachel getting married number three

[00:55:33] Sansa Lam's number two So you have stopped It's a squeaker I mean it's like It's kind of a coin toss I'm not gonna argue with you And it literally just gets down to the fact That there is not one single thing I could criticize and stop making sense

[00:55:44] Yeah You know These are both two of the best films ever made By anybody in history So the only advantage I'm giving to stop making sense Is that you just What can you criticize in that thing It couldn't be better Not long enough Yeah Oh fuck

[00:56:02] Maybe I have to lower down my- Knock it down, make it number 19 That's my list Now I want to say a little something here Oh Okay And not to betray anyone's trust Okay But This is In a way that has not happened In the past doing this show

[00:56:17] And I think part of this is Show's been going on for a long time We've gained listenership Our audience has grown The larger number of people who listen to it Means the larger number of people who have crossed paths With the people that we've talked about Right

[00:56:29] I have no idea what you're about to say Just say it We have gotten a good number of messages Private messages The people who knew Jonathan Deming DMs, people showing up on the reddit People who knew him well People who worked with him People who knew him socially

[00:56:41] People who worked one day Or my little brother was an extra People who knew him in a hat People who knew him- I'm sorry I was trying to do a Dr. Seuss In a boat and in a moat Right But people who really knew him

[00:56:54] At different times in his life Yes Different levels Absolutely And that's nerve-wracking Sure It is very nerve-wracking Because we do this show And sometimes we can be Big stupid dummies You know? Yes And when you think about- I don't think anyone should listen Agreed

[00:57:10] And I actually want to Band the show And that's my next initiative We talk about not Not publishing the episodes Yeah, just for- We want to self-cancel Morgan Spurlock style Jesus Jesus, no Don't even bring him up Anyway You're saying something nice About Jonathan Demi

[00:57:25] I'm saying something nice About Jonathan Demi Which is Especially when this is The first filmmaker we have Covered who is no longer with us And it's the first time we Are carrying some microscopic Semblance of responsibility For the legacy By committing this much time I get it

[00:57:41] Every time one of these Messages popped up I would get a little bit Nervous And go, oh my god This person's listening to us And they'd be like Excuse me His favorite movie was And you guys need to check yourselves Right, and I got me a copa

[00:57:54] This is the thing, actually That episode hasn't aired yet And all the people who've been so nice Are going to turn on us When that comes out Yeah, maybe we won't need To self-cancel Exactly Unfair bully Punching down on Master Belm Get out! Sorry

[00:58:09] I think we made this show good In this episode But there will probably be more People who listen to that episode Than have ever seen a Master Belm Right And that's not a brag About our numbers At all, absolutely not

[00:58:19] But the thing I was going to say is The amount of people who have reached out to us Compelled to say Look, I wouldn't usually write in I don't know you, but I, blank blank Jonathan Demi Knew him here Worked with him there Had this Yes, yes

[00:58:35] Knew him on a boat Knew him on a moat And have said He really was that special Right I'm really like touched That you guys It's not like fake Or inflated Or whatever His whole rep is like A genuinely great guy The overall sentiment always seems to be

[00:58:49] I want you guys to know That he is the person You want to believe he was Right You know, as much as we come up with bits And I feel like we kind of Any filmmaker we cover We make Bits I'm sorry Let me check my notes here

[00:59:03] Oh no, no bits Let me underline that No bits But as much as we sometimes Turn our director That we're covering into like a character Yeah, yeah Right? I feel like Our bit with Demi And like this guy is so kind Yeah He's a sweet man Right

[00:59:20] And everyone's like You're not being reductive You're not simplifying the thing This guy was as intellectually curious And empathetic And considerate And collaborative And everything you're sort of talking about And it's been really nice That you guys have been Giving him this much time And consideration across

[00:59:38] These many, many months In all of these films Many months And I feel similarly So thankful that He won this March Bandit's competition What a great surprise That we were forced to do him Because I feel like We would have always felt A little skittish about

[00:59:53] Eh, it's a lot of films And not all of them are super well known Could you do it? It's a lot of films It's a lot of films And we almost didn't even Put him on the bracket Because we went 20s a lot We actually

[01:00:03] I remember had the debate Where you were like What would we even do And I'd be like You'd have to combine But then you can do it But I think he was the last One we slotted in 100% And I feel so grateful That we've done this

[01:00:14] I feel like it has been such a joy It has genuinely improved my mood My mental stability My outlook on the world And it makes me really happy When I see on Twitter A lot more discussion Stirring up Or letterbox or wherever About demi films

[01:00:33] And I'm not giving us Responsibility for that But it's a nice thing that Like we can talk about these Movies, our listeners Can get into them And then our listeners Posting about watching those movies Encourages other people To watch those movies Because we're just sort of

[01:00:47] Doing our little part To start the ball rolling And re-answering a lot of these things Back into the conversation To the extent that People's algorithms Algorithms are now messed up Yeah And like, you know Their TVs are telling them To watch the truth about Charlie Right And look

[01:01:03] Apologies for that But also Truth about Charlie Is one of the best bad Movies you're ever going to see Oh, it's great You know? Jonathan Deming's movies do kind of Make the world a better place Yes, they do I think they kind of Make us better people

[01:01:17] And he was a dude Who felt a lot of responsibility To make sure that what he put In the movies was positive That he was putting positive Things out into the world While also being honest You know, and being tough But I think he succeeded

[01:01:30] And I also just feel Like by the nature of What this show is And it being people Who have gotten to this sort of Quote unquote A motor level Very often A lot of people we cover on the show Do not have reputations For being particularly nice Right

[01:01:45] And we have never covered someone Who we think to be a monster But there are a lot of people Where it's like, ooh I mean, it's tough And their difficult personalities Are strong personalities They're mean maybe And in the five years That we've been doing the show

[01:01:58] At times I feel a slight amount Of discomfort Discomfort And like Are we starting to like Deify people Who are like Exacting artists to the point of being Belligerent assholes Because that's the narrative And it's a self-repetuating narrative That then makes people feel like If you're in a

[01:02:16] The only way to get ahead in this business Is to be mean And also to tolerate meanness And to allow people to behave But that's not what we're talking about What I'm saying is It has been so lovely to cover someone Who didn't do any of that

[01:02:30] Who was always leading with his humanity first Both on screen And off screen You know? In terms of the work And in terms of how he conducted his life And to have that many people who knew him Reach out and reassert that to us It's great

[01:02:45] And it feels really good to say You can do it You can be a fucking mensch And you can make great movies And you can make big hits And you can win Oscars And there's no excuse to be an Oscar But it is interesting that we mostly spent

[01:02:57] This last episode talking about Justin Timberlake Cause I don't know I mean whatever It's a Justin Timberlake episode Like what was he thinking in time? Yeah cause I knew I was going to do this spiel at the end I'm joking Let's talk about the Timberlake career

[01:03:09] I'm just, you got too sincere So I wanted to be Yeah no I feel so delighted to have done him Because I hadn't seen all these movies Yeah And I hadn't I don't know It's always so great I will eventually work my way through their main documentaries

[01:03:25] Me too But it is an incredible feeling To be able to say I have seen the entire Jonathan Demi Narrative filmography And I think I am a better person for it Hell yeah And you can be too Yeah and you can be too

[01:03:38] I'm actually pointing to the audience Learn better habits Either sign up for Noom or watch all the episodes Have we announced who we're doing next? We have but let's say it again George Miller George Miller Yeah Mad Pod Fury cast Yeah We're doing them baby

[01:03:50] Yeah we're doing them We're not doing Jackson We're not doing May We threw all your mother efforts off our scent And March Madness March Madness is Is happening right now Oh boy We're in the middle of it right now Yes and of course as we know

[01:04:05] Has just been No no I know We don't need to do that We don't need to do that You're right this is me And I'm not going to make Rachel do more work Yeah exactly As we know someone is winning Yeah so So George Miller coming up

[01:04:17] We've done a lot of those already That's a Very different For a miss Very different Fast Sure Much like Sonic George Miller That has got to go fast But it's been good right? I think they've been good episodes I like talking about Mad Max It's a big

[01:04:33] Big radical swing into a different world In a different direction And then we have someone else coming up After that And then we'll do March Madness And then we'll do someone else I'll say this too Three directors in a row Have a reputation for being very nice

[01:04:45] That's true That's true You know three different filmographies But I feel like all three of these people In a row are kind of known for being Humane mentions Right so you guys should like Pick Michael Bay to balance it out or whatever

[01:04:55] Yeah we should cover an asshole again Alright come on we're done Okay Basta Yeah it's Italian You know the only other person who says that To me when I'm talking too much My mother My mother says it to me too That's where I got it from

[01:05:09] Oh boy our mother should hang out Yeah we should Do a podcast Yeah great Thank you all for listening Blank check moms Blank check mommies My mom No not mommies No no no Blank check momma My mom is putting the heat on me For the factors like

[01:05:27] And every other family member Has been on the show Does she want to come on? Yes she wants to come on Really? Yeah Oh then she should come on She's also the only member of my family Who listens to the show Which terrifies me

[01:05:39] She listens to every episode Pretty much now Which kind of snuck up on me That was not the case for a while And I know her the least of all your family I feel like I've only met her like one time The quiet new man

[01:05:48] The secret new man Yeah No you also know her the least Because she has never been on this podcast Right Exactly So look forward to my mother Being the guest on some episode future day Thank you all for listening Yes Maybe my mom won't listen to this one

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