Mad Max: Fury Road with Emily Yoshida

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, they are two experts. All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check. Oh, what a cast! What a lovely podcast! Did I fuck up the mic? No? Okay. It is a lovely podcast though.

[00:00:31] Yeah, it's a lovely podcast. I had my immediate fear that I had ruined the entire episode. It is a lovely podcast. Lovely is the word I would use to describe it. This is going to be a lovely cast. It's raining outside and I'm sick. Yeah. Okay, wait.

[00:00:45] I went to Chinatown and got a pork bun. Ooh, cozy. Wait, what are you doing this to me? I'm sick. You don't want a bun? I couldn't go. Little bun. I ate a lizard to get ready for this episode. You ate a two-headed lizard?

[00:00:57] Yeah, I ate two pounds of sand. Was that like a bad idea? I drank some water. Aquacola? I mean, sorry, sorry, sorry. Aquacola TM. Hello everybody. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. Hi David. And this is a podcast about filmographies,

[00:01:14] directors who have massive success early on in their career and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce, baby, and this is one of the biggest clears of all time. Yeah.

[00:01:27] At least culturally, you know, in terms of perception, like avatars are humongous clear in terms of like return on investment versus doubts against it. Yes, I mean this made less money than avatars. But this is creatively one of the greatest clears in history.

[00:01:44] Well yes, and also expectations would have been so low. Well just felt like we've been through this a bunch of times, we always get hyped up. The thing is going to disappoint. And then it comes out, it does really well and everyone loves it.

[00:01:58] It's sort of like, okay. Had you guys been tracking the long development road of Mad Max 4? The furious development road? The furious development road to make it. Honestly, I don't think so. Because it had been going on for so long I feel like it wasn't...

[00:02:11] I think I was vaguely aware of that, that he had always been trying to make a fourth one and then it would be announced like, Mel's not going to be in it. And he'd be like, yeah well obviously Mel's not going to be in it.

[00:02:21] But it always sounded stupid and then I remember that trailer posted, the first one. Which was at Comic-Con the year before it came out. And I was like, well this looks great but it's a trailer. Yeah, good trailer though. Good trailer.

[00:02:34] And then I think there were just more trailers and it sort of became like, well okay, this is, I think this is going to rule. I'm going to do a rough timeline of the development thing because I weirdly was not even that big

[00:02:44] of a Mad Max fan at that point. I became a fan later into the development cycle but I remember tracking it because it felt like another Curio story like the Terry Gilliam Don Quixote where it was like, oh this is some curse movie that's never going to happen.

[00:03:01] Yeah. Which also made it feel like if it happens it will either be a disaster or it will just be. And it never came out, he never got to make it. Isn't that the weirdest thing in the world?

[00:03:09] It's so weird that he made it and people are like, I was there, I was there. You were there for the first audience. For the first screening of it. It was the most anticlimactic thing that I've ever. And people were just kind of like,

[00:03:21] they were just like, okay, I guess, all that's out of our system. It's like Chinese democracy or something. 100%! That's so true, it's usually a Chinese democracy situation. You wait that long and then everyone's like, oh no we're definitely no longer that interested in this. I mean Buckethead though?

[00:03:39] Buckethead though. Well he rips on that album. But it is so bizarre, like rewatching this I just kept on thinking about Man Who Killed Don Quixote where it's like the fact that that movie already doesn't exist

[00:03:50] when it just, it felt like it either needed to be a masterpiece or a disaster. Peace. Yes. It's so bizarre and then there was that thing where after it played at Khan then the release got canceled and Amazon dropped it

[00:04:04] and it was like, okay well this is fulfilling the legacy now the movie is not going to be seen ever again. The thing is that it's not even that bad. It's just nothing. And now it's just like quietly on iTunes. It's not bad.

[00:04:16] I gave it an okay review. It's sort of an interesting movie. It's not as fun. It's way too long. When you know the context of your, then that's when you're truly underwhelmed by it. But if it came out sans context you'd be like this is weird

[00:04:28] and vaguely European. This is the best film in years. I guess by default. Like I know like it's probably like, anyway, introduce our guest please before you delve into it. Well this is a main series on the film to George Miller. Yes that's right.

[00:04:39] We've gotten to the final film which is also the name sake of this mini-series. That's right. It's Mad Pod Fury cast. Is the mini-series? What? Yeah well it's great but you don't like it. Oh you think that's great. Emily's, oh she's making a sign to cheer us on

[00:04:53] for our mini-series title. She's taking out a big foam finger and it says number one mini-series title ever? Now Emily no Vuvuzela's in the studio. Put it away. She's holding the Vuvuzela up to her mouth and then she's pouring white claw into it

[00:05:08] and then she's blowing and she's spraying white claw all over the studio. Our guest today. Sorry for the mess everyone. Our guest today, Fresh Off The Fury Road and ex-pat, our mother. Mama. Writer of the upcoming FX series Shogun. A writer. A writer. The only writer.

[00:05:30] No I am a writer. The only writer. It's mama herself, Hollywood Emily Yoshida. Hello my war boys. Do not grow addicted to water. I just want to say that all the time. Yeah he's a really cool guy. He's great. He's a cool guy.

[00:05:47] I don't love what he's done with the Department of Justice but I do think he's got a lot of the right ideas. Here's my thing, do I agree with all his policies? No, but the economy is booming and he's electable. He's electable.

[00:05:58] We can't, I'll think ourselves on this. People just like someone who's unpretentious and speaks directly to you. He says what nobody else, like everybody is thinking but nobody wants to say. You can have a glass of Agua Cola. And he's a man of deep faith. Sure.

[00:06:14] He's a family man. Big family man. Big family man. Big time family man. He cares about traditional family values in the way that I do. Yeah. Now is he perfect? No. But show me one man. Does he lock women in a vault? We all have a good point.

[00:06:28] Occasionally. But you know, he's also empowering them. Yes, yes he is. That's true. Giving them a jaw. And here's another thing. How is he supposed to be a warlord with all those criticism? They're not even giving him a chance. You don't sell these bad faith arguments? I know.

[00:06:46] It was a perfect, I don't know. What is a phone call in the Fury Road universe? A firework, like Claire. A loud speaker address. A perfect primal scream. This movie shouldn't exist. We have set it on at least one other episode in this main series.

[00:07:06] But this film weirdly is like the genesis of this podcast. Because we had been doing Star Wars for a year. We were trying to figure out what the show should be after Star Wars ends. That's right. And we go see this, and I show up

[00:07:21] and I'm covered in hives. As you love to remember, you were covered in hives. And I'm freaking out. That whole first screening kind of felt like a fever dream to me, which is sort of appropriate for this movie. And I said, I think I know what the premise

[00:07:33] of the podcast is. It's the blank check thing. We're extrapolating that from the George Lucas thing. And that was before the movie started. Yes. And then the movie ended. You saw the perfect test patient. Great example. And for five years, we've been building up to this episode,

[00:07:46] one could say in a way. That's a bad point. And now I'm sick. Any hives? No hives. No hives, but re-watching the movie, it felt like that first time watching it. Where I remembered when we walked out and you were like, that's amazing.

[00:07:59] And I was like, yeah, that's really good. And I felt like I was less blown away by it than everyone else. And then when I saw it two days later and I didn't have hives, I was like, oh, fucking masterpiece. It's all movies.

[00:08:10] It is a tough movie to watch when your brain already feels like it's on fire. Oh yeah. Yeah. It is so overwhelming that if your body isn't in any way compromised and you feel uncomfortable, it's kind of an attack on the senses. Right? Yeah. But still a masterpiece.

[00:08:27] It does really challenge you to have your cognitive ability. You wouldn't want to watch this movie drunk, I don't feel like, even though it is crazy and feels like a midnight movie in a lot of regards. I wouldn't want to watch it impaired in any way

[00:08:42] because it moves so... It's doing that all... You want to appreciate every single moment of it, every frame of it. I don't know. And it'll buzz you up just fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You will feel like you are on the finest speed. Exactly.

[00:08:54] And it takes your full attention and your full focus. So if there's anything distracting you like an ebriation or a physical ailment, it becomes a battle. Yeah. Did you see this film at that first New York screen or did you see it at Cannes?

[00:09:10] I did not see it at Cannes. I was at that Cannes, but I did not see it there. Okay. I was trying to figure this out. We were talking about this one. I couldn't remember because I don't think... I think I just saw it in theater.

[00:09:21] I think I just saw it when it was out because I did it. I wasn't going to press screenings really regularly at that time. So... 2015. Yeah. Right? A simpler time. Yeah. I guess. Yeah, why not? Because it was simpler. I remember that press screening was in 3D. Oh.

[00:09:39] Which was... No, it wasn't. I am all but certain because the second time I saw it I saw it in 2D and I advised people because I was like, the 3D is a little overwhelming. Maybe it was 3D. I don't remember that.

[00:09:49] Because that is one of the only times in the last five years that I feel like a studio has screened a movie in 3D for Christmas. They used to do it all the time. They used to do it as a matter of course. But that's about

[00:09:59] the cutoff point where it stops. Yeah, I was where it started to stop. Oh, I feel like they were doing it until I left New York. I feel like I would get three screens. The last movie of theater made me see in 3D that wasn't like Alita battling

[00:10:10] or something that was actually playing. Oh yeah, I definitely saw Alita battling. Of course we had to see in 3D. I'm not joking. That was shot for 3D. Another junkie exiles. Yes, 200%. Tommy, you love it. But the Marvel movies weren't being screened in 3D.

[00:10:21] The last Marvel movie they showed me in 3D was Dr. Strange. And again, I think they were kind of like, well this one's all loopy. That's fairly recent though. That was last year. 2016, my friend, Dr. Strange. Oh sorry, Dr. Strange. I thought you said Dr. Sleep.

[00:10:33] I wish Dr. Sleep was in 3D. Yeah, why not? Put it in 8D. I wish the brim of that hat were peering out into the auto. God, is he so good at for Mekka Ferguson just ate you in that movie? She just came out of the screen

[00:10:44] and actually munched on your soul. We obviously have too much to talk about with Ferry Robb. Emily, what do you think of Dr. Sleep? I didn't see Dr. Sleep. I've always thought Dr. Sleep. What are you talking about? She was no longer professionally obligated

[00:10:56] to see films when that came out. It's so good. Was that in the fall? Did that come out in the fall? Yeah, it was what it did. I didn't even realize until you guys were talking about it on some podcast that Ewan McGregor was in it.

[00:11:05] Yeah, he is in it. Like, guess what? He's good. Yeah, he's pretty good. Well great, good for him. He's still my first love and probably my last love. It began and ended with you. It did. She's the only person whose picture I've ever put in a locker. Really?

[00:11:22] The picture of him in what? Like, was it just you in or was he in a movie? It was like from a Vanity Fair or like profile or something. Okay. Very, like I remember he was wearing like a peak coat.

[00:11:34] So the collar, it was like a close picture, but he looked really, really hot. And I took the Vanity Fair from the public library, slammed down on Xerox, put that Xerox in my locker. Xerox, black and white full color. Black and white. Black and white Xerox.

[00:11:50] He's had so many good hairstyles over the years. Like cut it all off, looks fine. Like get it all tough deep, looks fine. Had one rat tail? Looks fine. Oh my God, made it work. So you had a black and chrome edition photo. It was shiny and chrome.

[00:12:06] I tried to watch that for the rewatch. I mean we'll get around to all this. I want to talk the development cycle of this just speed round it, okay? Mad Max for your rub. So like 1997, I think roughly, George Miller says,

[00:12:19] last thing on my mind, you know, he's like in Babe World and he's on a flight. I think it's an Australia to US flight. I have to immediately correct you, I'm so sorry. George Miller bought the rights back from Mad Max in 1995.

[00:12:34] So he definitely, even if he was not like, you know, interested in me, he definitely was like maybe I'll want to do this someday. He clawed the rights back. A lot of that seemed to be control of home video to prevent anyone else from making it.

[00:12:48] I found a quote from that said, at the time I came up with this idea, doing another Mad Max was the last thing on my mind. And that was after he had bought back the rights. But he claims he has a fever dream on,

[00:13:01] I'm not getting a phone call now. He has a fever dream on like a Australia to US flight and the whole movie just comes to him. He like sees it, which I feel like I have fever dreams all the time and then go like,

[00:13:13] oh my God, I have to remember this is such a good movie and then I wake up and I'm like, that's the worst thought that anyone's ever had. But he had the basic tenet of this thing. And he starts to clawing at it and working at it.

[00:13:26] He sets it up at Fox because he has the rights back, even when Warner Brothers had released the last two Mad Maxes. At the time everyone's presumption was it's going to be Mel. Yeah, who's going to be Mel? It's Mel still hot.

[00:13:38] What women want had just come out. I'm not joking. Also Mel was what women want. Proven in the box office. In 2000-2001 they're pretty actively in like, if not pre-production, active development, pre-pre-production. 9-11 happens. Yes, that is true. 9-11 happens. Turns the economy upside down.

[00:14:01] It destroyed the Australian dollar. And so guess what he had to do? He had to do it. Do you know what he had to do? He had to make some happy feet. He had to turn to happy feet. Yeah.

[00:14:11] It's just so funny to think that he was like, I can't do Mad Max. I guess I'll break out those penguins to Dan. He's like, I had this on the back burner. He's like watching the news in real time like on 9-11.

[00:14:22] He just like crosses out a picture of Mel. He takes down a picture of Mel because he puts up a penguin. He takes out giant penguin feet slippers. This is what the world needs. Start mo-capping Savian Glover. I'm going to need that tap dancing.

[00:14:36] But a couple years later, he's like right at the threshold, like 2003 is like, I think we're ready to go. And then the Iraq war happens. He got a green light. Yes. Happy feet too. He was going to film in the... I mean, because of... Right.

[00:14:52] First there was rain, which that seems like a tougher problem to deal with, but then also the Iraq war. Oh yeah, the rain didn't make flowers bloom or they were planning on shooting. I believe that's right. They were like, we're going to shoot in this wasteland.

[00:15:04] And it like turned into an away... The green place. It literally turned into the green place. There are like, I believe three different times that happened where they were prepping to shoot, had a location, and then they suddenly had unexpected rainfall for the first time in 2020.

[00:15:18] It became too beautiful. Truly. But I think like the locations changed and the years changed. And three times that happened. They got fucked up by weather. Twice they got fucked up by terrorism. Sure. But he had a script. Yes. Co-written with Brendan McCarthy,

[00:15:35] who is some comic writer who like wrote shit like this that just looks like Ben Hosley as you won. What? And I think did like... Rogan Gosh is the name of this. I think he did 2008 D stuff too. Yes, he's like an extra to Peter Milligan,

[00:15:51] British 90s, 10-year-old, and so on. Right. Did a lot of 2008 D. He co-writes it with him. Another guy comes in later, Nico Lothoris. Who was an actor in the first Mad Max. Right. So I don't know. He played Grease Rat in Mad Max 1. But also by all accounts,

[00:16:09] this film never had a proper script. It was pretty much... Storyboard at first. I think it's more like they were building the designs of the cars and all that shit. Like that's what it was. And then at some point they did sort of a transcript of the storyboard

[00:16:21] so that people could do their jobs. Right. But at most stages of the film, it didn't sound like they had a hard script. So whether Mel Gibson controversies... Gibson, right. Economy turnarounds... At one point he wanted to hire Heath Ledger. Yes. That didn't work out. So around 2007, 2008,

[00:16:43] you're like, Heath Ledger's gone. Mel's been canceled. The gods mother nature keeps on spiting me. The economy won't support it. You're narrating the Fury Road of the last 20 years. All the major tragedies. 9-11 and Mel Gibson. Well, and then Happy... And then Happy... Yes, of course.

[00:17:05] No, but the major tragedies. And then Heath, Mel, 9-11. And Happy Fee comes out and is a huge hit and he wins the Oscar and he's like, fuck it, I'm just doing it animated. Right. And he announces, I'm doing R-rated CGI manga style. Would have been dope also.

[00:17:20] Would have been amazing. Would have been amazing. And he's like, that's my way around it. No. Because I don't want old Mel and Mel comes with his own baggage now. Yes. And young actors seem terrified at the prospect of taking over the role

[00:17:32] and I don't know who to do it and the weather keeps on fucking me over. My vision's too big, I'm going to do it animated. And then he sort of just goes like, it doesn't feel right. I guess so, but then in 2009... Yeah.

[00:17:48] So six years before this movie came out, they start their location scouting. Yeah. In 2010, they hire Thomas Hardy... Yeah. ...and Charlie's Theron to make two movies. Which, right, at first announced... Fury Road and Furiosa. It was gonna be a back-to-back thing.

[00:18:03] But Hardy's essentially getting hired off of Bronson. Yeah. And probably some inception. He's starting to get other parts, but in terms of what's actually hit, Bronson is the one. It's Pre-Bain. Yeah. Pre-Bain. And they said it was down to Renner and Hardy.

[00:18:23] And Renner seemed like the obvious choice because he was so fully the studio franchise guy at that moment. And Hardy was the cool ascending guy. But do you think, you know, maybe like Nolan's flipping out some inception for you? Probably. Look at this guy. Right.

[00:18:36] Warner Brothers is so beholden to Nolan and his taste and all of that. I mean, 2009, I filmed a little movie, Hold for Applaud, it's called Beware the Gonzo. You gotta beware the gonzo. You gotta watch out for Horny Robbecker. With Zoe Kravitz.

[00:18:53] I'm holding up my foam finger again. Yes. Yeah, it says Horny Robbe as my one-to-one. Horny for Horny Robbe. Horny for Horny Robbe. Zoe Kravitz is in that film. Zoe Kravitz is in that movie. And while we were filming, she kept on telling me

[00:19:05] that she was auditioning for Mad Max 4. That she was like going through the rounds with it. And I was like, that's never gonna happen, right? And she was like, I don't know. He's very convinced it's gonna shoot the next year. Can you tell me her character's name

[00:19:18] in Beware the Gonzo? Oh, in Beware the Gonzo? Evie. Yeah. There you go. Can you tell me the character's name in Mad Max? I think her name is Easy Evie. I thought she was toast. In Beware the Gonzo. Yeah. Yeah, she is toast to the knowing, of course.

[00:19:31] Toast to the knowing. She's the sort of, you know... The gadgety one. Exactly. Don't fucking test my Beware the Gonzo knowledge. Okay. Wait, now I wanna test your Beware the Gonzo knowledge. Eddie Gonzo Gilman? Sure. That one's easy. Everyone knows him. You gotta beware him. You must.

[00:19:48] But yeah, she was like, there's no script. He just like, you sit in a room and he explains stuff to you. He says it's gonna film next year. They don't know who's playing Mad Max. Right. But it was like... It does sound like Pine in the Sky.

[00:20:00] He's making it seem like it's on the runway. A year later they cast Hardy and it's like, okay, I guess we're ready to go. And the movie still doesn't film for another year after that, right? Does it film in 12 or 11? Well, if I can... I wanna correct myself.

[00:20:16] Okay. The heavy rains causing the wildflowers to bloom. That happened in 2011. Uh-huh. So there were many rain problems but the wildflowers rains. That was 2011. Okay. So they had to... There was an earlier one in the early 2000s. Okay, it happened a couple times.

[00:20:29] Oh yeah, rain happened a couple times. But principal photography did finally begin in 2012 in Namibia. Yeah. They also shot in Australia obviously. Filming supposedly lasted for 120 days. Uh-huh. And then it did a lot of reshoots in 2013. Okay.

[00:20:49] But even still it takes two years after that for the movie to come out. Correct. It does come off though. And I mean this as a huge compliment as a two-year editing job. 100% correct. Right. 100%. And a husband and wife working together for two years. Yes.

[00:21:06] Like it feels like a movie that could... And pausing for meals and taking care of themselves. Of course. There were 150 stunt performers, most of them Cirque du Soleil type folks or Olympic athletes. Eve Ensler was on set. Yes. Advising on feminism. Famous name.

[00:21:21] So advising on like female victims of violence and on sex trafficking. Yes. I mean he took all the themes of the movie very seriously. It's filled with practical effects and stunt work and all that stuff. It still has tons of visual effects.

[00:21:36] And they're working on the colors and they're fucking with the frame rates and all that stuff. They claim that zero injuries happen, which is they should have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize for filming this movie without any stunt injuries or crew injuries.

[00:21:49] So wasn't it like not fun to shoot though? I don't think it was very pleasant. A nightmare. Everyone who worked on that said it was going to be a disaster. But nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt. Okay. It's more probably just they were like, and drive the cars.

[00:22:03] They would drive the cars and everyone would just run around and then they would be like, great, great. And everyone's like, what the fuck is this thing? As much as this movie is like it feels like a two-year editing job, it's also a movie

[00:22:14] where by all accounts he was just sort of going like, and this piece is just you do this thing and I move the camera this way. And people would be like, what is going on? Explain this to me. And he'd be like, I can't.

[00:22:24] And he apparently like was like, Theron and Hardy weren't getting along. Hardy and Miller weren't getting along. Theron and Miller weren't getting along. Like no one was getting along. Everyone was losing their minds.

[00:22:36] And he has said in retrospect, like the actors have said we didn't trust him enough. It was clear he knew what he was doing and we couldn't see it. And he has said, I actually take that hit.

[00:22:45] I don't think I explained myself well enough at any given moment. Right. I mean, I would love to know what that script looked like if they just transcribed it from storyboards. Like what were they reading to get a sense of what they were doing?

[00:22:58] When Zoe Carrots was auditioning she told me that it was literally just her looking at a book of storyboards. I mean, that would be fine by me. Like honestly. You're seeing the movie, right?

[00:23:09] Especially, I mean, it's not like she has a ton of lines, but if you know what part you're going to play visually in it, like I don't know. It also is a thing where sometimes the hardest things to do as an actor are

[00:23:22] like two second intershots where they're like we just need a close-up of your hand grabbing this cup of coffee. And because you're putting so much thought and energy just into the grabbing of the coffee cup, the camera's just on that.

[00:23:36] It's isolated away from any behavior in the rest of the scene. It becomes so unnatural and it looks really weird and it's hard to do in a way that doesn't make you self-conscious. I think that's a factor.

[00:23:48] And another thing is a lot of this movie, if you look at the behind the scenes footage, is like the cars are completely stationary in the middle of a desert and he's filming them at a low angle and it's

[00:24:00] just saying like act like flames are going off around you. And I think you just feel like a moron if we're doing like a two second insert shot where it's just like shift gears in a stationary car.

[00:24:13] I think everyone was just like, there's no way this is going to look cool. There's no way this is going to make sense. And also like no offense to George Miller who's great but he's like and then recently in my life, if you're Zoe Kravitz,

[00:24:30] you have made Babe Pig in the City a two happy feet movie. Right. Like I get that Mad Max 2 is great. Like you know, I get that you once made action movies but like you don't like you're not up to date.

[00:24:42] Like you don't know what these are like now. And how much of this? I don't know if Zoe Kravitz was saying that to be clear. I don't either. I more mean just like a younger person. Riley Keough was saying that.

[00:24:51] It does, I feel like so much of this podcast has come back to this thing of like you can't go home again. Like when massively successful directors try to go back to their early films, it almost never works. Whether it's directly continuing an old franchise or just the

[00:25:06] sensibility or trying to get back to the filmmaking style. There are people like Shyamalan who can go like I'm going to strip myself of all the like excess and force myself to become a new type of filmmaker.

[00:25:19] But it's very rare that someone goes back to being like I'm just going to make a simple uncomplicated movie or a guerrilla style movie or small movie or whatever it is. But with him it's like the only thing he's going back to is the property.

[00:25:30] Like I feel like he had a completely new idea of how he wanted an action film to look like it wasn't any kind of regression. I don't think there's much nostalgia in this even for original Mad Max, like other than knowing like oh it's an Australian wasteland.

[00:25:44] Like there's not a whole lot. I don't think visually or stylistically it has anything to do with those movies which I love. I think it's a big distinction. Yeah. But you know like rewatching Road Warrior so recently for

[00:25:56] this we were sort of struck by how much like Road Warrior and Mad Max feel like Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2. And then Road Warrior and this feel like Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 to a certain extent with a movie in between where

[00:26:10] he's like now I can do the full crazy version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it does feel right. You're right. It's so much an evolution that it avoids being a regression. And like luckily for him like having gotten back the rights for it.

[00:26:25] He does like it's a pretty malleable property. I mean like it doesn't really have that many rules. So if you own that IP and then can you know but you have new ideas like it's kind of best to both worlds

[00:26:39] because it's like you have an IP but you're also like I have a zillion other things I want to do though besides revisit what I've already done. It is just incredible that like you have this franchise these three beloved movies that capture the

[00:26:52] launch of a massive, massive movie star. Yeah. Even though he is no longer beloved. It's like one of those roles where you're like how does someone else take that over? That's like impossible and that you have this like incredibly like powerful up and coming actor take on

[00:27:10] the role and make it his own. Sure. Talk about Venom. Yes. Okay. This is a Venom prequel. He takes over for Tofa Grace the disgraced Tofa Grace and makes it his own. No, but it's fascinating how much this movie is just

[00:27:25] like doesn't matter where this is in the timeline. Doesn't matter how this connects to what Mel Gibson did or didn't. Mad Max is now just kind of like he's an archetypal figure. Right. This is not worried about explaining how it connects to the environment. This is a continuum.

[00:27:41] This is a series about just sort of this type of figure in this type of world. I mean it was such an eagulous performance. I don't think he even was mic'd for it. So... I don't know. I don't know. Just answer your...

[00:27:55] This is a real putter's and murmur's. This is a putter's. They've given the best of the decade to answer your questions recently on Patreon. Emily, Margaret Sixle had 470 hours of footage to edit which took her three months to watch before she was even ready to edit it.

[00:28:11] Oh my God. Right. But don't you think if your editor is anyone other than the person you're married to, they quit when they get that hard drive? Yeah. I don't know. Like how are you paid for that? Are you just like in love and support from your partner?

[00:28:26] Aquacola! Do not become addicted to money! I don't know. I mean usually you'd think with these movies it's more like where you have the four editor block. It's just sort of like yeah, of course they needed multiple editors. People had to go off and do other things.

[00:28:42] You have a lot of assistance. Mad Max, Fury Road. The plot. I don't know. The plot of the film is that there's this guy called Max. They go fast and then they go fast the other way. I feel like, I have to say that Ben feels like a

[00:28:59] little muted during this episode. Like he doesn't feel like his full enthusiasm is on display here and I mean but it should be fair though, to be fair though, it dry. Oh my God. It is a dry movie. The thing about that, Emily, is actually it

[00:29:17] recently was officially announced that I'm pivoting in 2020 to sort of more of a dry kind of situation. Oh well! This is really great for you then. Yeah, yeah so this is just dry as a bone and I'm loving it. Which that's the other thing Ben's really into now

[00:29:31] is bones. Oh I've always been with bones but I'm like really getting into them. 2020 it feels like the three things you've really put up on the vision board are dryness, bones, which there's obviously a lot of overlap there and chains. This movie covers all three.

[00:29:49] I have a whole note about all the chain work in this movie. See maybe he's being a little muted because he's in finest film critic mode. He has his laptop in front of him, maybe he has prepared copious notes.

[00:30:01] I've got a good amount of notes also I just I'm letting you guys do the whole like background leading up to the movie stuff. I don't know about that stuff. So you're saying you're not toast to the knowing about that stuff. No but I do know.

[00:30:13] But he is capable. He is capable and he is splendid. Let's be honest. Thank you so much. How rare is it in 2020 year of our lord a franchise movie, a fourth film in a franchise even if it is one that isn't like that isn't super plot driven

[00:30:27] where you can just start out the film with a narration that vague. I would love somebody to make an opening crawl for Max that's just the opening monologue. I'm at Max Fury Road. My name is Max. Oh the Star Wars crawl. Yes that's what I mean.

[00:30:47] For that monologue. The fact that that movie, this movie can start off with that and that's all you need to know. You don't need to have seen any previous Mad Max movies it doesn't matter. Yes 100%. Sort of part of the magic of this movie.

[00:31:00] Well that's why it doesn't, it's only Mad Max in name like it because. And vague theme. Well yeah the vague theme. The theme is gasoline and dryness and cars like but other than. And dead family. Sure but like. But what movie doesn't have that now?

[00:31:15] Like that feels like I think that that's one of the most kind of the weakest links of it is like seeing flashbacks of a little girl like being like why didn't you save me like that just feels very like video game-esque. Like dumb narrative shit.

[00:31:29] Which is whatever but it gets through it so fast you don't care. They're so little of it. It just metabolizes it. Yeah I think about this all the time especially like in comparison to like yes I will say this these two words on this podcast. Mortal engines. Yeah.

[00:31:45] Where there's I think that like there is as dense of an imaginative of a world being built here. I just think that like this actually has the confidence to just be like yeah here we are and I do think I do think that mortal engines also

[00:32:04] does a pretty quick like there are six cities on wheels and there you go and here we go but I think that like there's just it's there's so little that it's almost like a neg from the movie at the beginning where you're like give me more like

[00:32:18] instead of being exhausted by it which is yeah. Confidence is the key word with this movie because it just narratively like barrels forward so fast it makes it very clear which things are absolutely crucial important to understand going forward yeah but a lot of it is just like

[00:32:35] if you want to dig into this you can if not trust that I have it figured out my head. I'll use shorthand like I remember watching this for the first time and things like you know seeing Furiosa's tattoo and her talking about being taken

[00:32:49] away I'm like when's the scene coming when she has the big dramatic monologue where she talks about the fact that she was one of a Morton Joe's brides and then when the movie ends and you're like oh right you don't need to do that. Yeah.

[00:33:02] Any other movie like this you're watching as an audience member you're like when are they going to get to the reveal but the point is if you've done the math in your head already the reveal is unnecessary. This movie doesn't have a first act. Yeah.

[00:33:14] The second act is the first act. Yeah it just starts into an action scene. The first act happens before the words Mad Max Fury Road. The first act is Ben. Okay here we go. My name is Max. My world is fire and blood.

[00:33:30] Once I was a guy from New Jersey a road warrior searching for a righteous cause as the world fell each of us in our own way was broken it was hard to know who was even more crazy. Me and for everyone else. Whoa.

[00:33:48] Emily is visiting New York City from we love to have her. Hollywood and she's staying with me and so we watch this movie together. Oh my god humble brag. They put you up in business class or first class? I can't actually answer this as a joke

[00:34:03] because I did go first class. Whoa. The number one class. But it is while we're watching it. I should be up front with everybody because I know people are talking and the rumors are true. I have gone Hollywood. You have. Emily is covered in jewels. Yeah.

[00:34:21] She also said that I can't look at her which is very annoying cause she's staying with me for a week. And like inconveniently sitting right across from you right now. But she unfortunately she has a suit of mirrors so that I don't see myself

[00:34:33] when I look at her. David is also wearing the black bar from the parasite photo. The poster. But anyway while we were watching Emily was like oh I have a hot take and I was like is it like positive or negative and you said positive

[00:34:47] but people will think it's negative and tell me no more. Well okay well it's and it sounds stupid too but I can explain it. There are two movies that came out in 2015 or that at least were in festivals in 2015 and the other one I did see

[00:35:01] it can that I think kind of were the most prescient about like what life post 2016 would feel like. The other one was Green Room which I did see there which is like I think one of if I was doing my

[00:35:14] decade list I think that would be on it. That's like a very very important movie for the last 10 years I think for me. But yeah Fury Road though I think more specifically like that I feel like Green Room is a very good dramatization of politics

[00:35:29] and violence and just like how toxic everything feels. It just feels all of that is encapsulated in that. I think that Fury Road more specifically is like the best cinematic and cathartic vision of what it feels like to be on Twitter. Yes. With the War Boys? Yes 100%.

[00:35:52] I know it's annoying to talk about the internet ever. It's a very annoying take to have but I really mean it because it's not just the War Boys though and I don't mean this along like ideologies or factions or something

[00:36:06] I mean that the way that it is not stopped it never stopped everybody is screaming all the time there's never a break everybody thinks that there's a nice version of this somewhere but there's not You're trying to get to the green place. And then while you're going

[00:36:22] you're just trucking along because you can't stop and every once in a while somebody comes in and is like I am the scales of justice and just comes barreling in with machine guns and that's what it feels like. You know how to get your crossbow from like

[00:36:36] I have another one over there I guess. And that I feel like the chaos the non-stopness the like there's always something new coming down the barrel that is what it feels like to be online post 2016. I do think the War Boys are a wonderful metaphor though.

[00:36:50] Here's my parallel take I've been working on I think the reason these movies are so potent all four of them in different ways is the thing that George Miller understands is that society is fucking ridiculous and silly that we like keep on building these rules and these structures

[00:37:10] Yes, even in an apocalypse eventually someone will be like well I'm the king and everyone's like this guy said he was the king and I get it. My currency is this and we trade with this and this is the road we take. And my title is a Morton.

[00:37:24] I've got like a shoulder thing right here that was like pretty cool. I was looking up I was trying to find the or what a lovely day quote or like the clip of it and I was like Mad Max Fury Road what and then like it had suggestions

[00:37:40] and it was like what is wrong with a Morton show? Stop with that guy Shut up WebMD He's got a couple things He is sick It feels like he should air that shit out instead of putting like a carapace over it It's a fair question

[00:37:56] Talcum Powder which I think has proven to be bad for you at this point If I lived in the society though I would be the war boy who delicately blows the talcum powder all over. It's probably the best job

[00:38:08] I kind of like the guys who just have to climb on the little wheels and just go up and down Otherwise they just chill in I was going to say though the fact that society ends and then so quickly it rebuilds into an equally stupid system

[00:38:24] that I think the thing he gets is we are all still so stupid and primal in base in terms of what is driving us at all moments and we use like intellect and intelligence and language and all these sort of like trappings of sophistication to try to hide

[00:38:44] all of that and act like we're striving for bigger things and deeper things and we have other things driving us but it's like everyone just wants their fucking guzzling everyone just wants to be like the king and the most powerful and the most respected

[00:38:58] At the end of the day we can guzzly it up however we want but like people are trying to like not starve or trying to have somewhere safe to sleep People want to believe in something yes and they want to have some sort of family around them

[00:39:14] and they want to have some sort of respect They want to have friends and blood and actually a ton of blood in this movie no and twitter is such a like a witness me sphere of just everyone yelling like I need to exist

[00:39:30] I must exist at every moment but guys twitter stupid oh it's real dope I've never watched this movie don't even have twitter accounts it's sort of weird to think about It is crazy how many people have just made the right decision and never touched with it

[00:39:46] that doesn't seem like my cup of tea because it's not like people are like you gotta join twitter why do I have to join twitter ah it's great People talk about it like smoking it is indistinguishable from how people talk about smoking

[00:40:02] as well as the people who are like illegal I just have to assume that's coming down the pike or I will die from it I will stop when I am threatened with a loss no I like started doing it in college or high school because all my friends

[00:40:18] were doing it and I didn't want to feel left out I met so many people from doing it but like a lot of them have left I did I don't know why it's silenced look at the button um the other overlap between twitter and

[00:40:36] smoking is I only do it when I am drunk hahahahha oh boy so yes this movie starts as if you've missed a whole movie already 100% right where he's just like you know you think it's a voice of a narration

[00:40:52] then him standing out in a cliff and it's a moment of introspection and then you realize it's one brief moment for him to eat a lizard before he gets back in a car in the middle of a chase that's been going on for who knows how long

[00:41:02] right then he gets captured and turned into a blood bag of course no one explains that he's a universal donor which you will miss if you blink during the scene where he's getting tattooed yes I want to read his tattoo to you because I love it

[00:41:16] and you see it for like 5 seconds here's what the tattoo says day 12,045 height 10 hands 180 pounds no name no lumps which is my favorite part if clear so he's not a half life boy because the war boys are like little radiation boys oh gosh two good eyes

[00:41:36] love that no busted limbs piss okay when they tested that genitals intact multiple scars heals fast o negative high octane universal donor blah blah blah what does high octane mean I think it just means his blood will really get you going it keeps and he keeps

[00:41:56] his own road warrior run down on the powder lakes v8 no guzzling no supplies isolate psychotic keep muzzled that's the entire thing that they write on his back it's on screen for like 3 seconds if that yeah I love that he was deemed psychotic

[00:42:10] this guy seems kind of wild jeez relax calls himself mad max I read some quote I think from Sexel who said that 60% of the movie is either sped up or slowed down they shot everything at normal frame rates and then when he was watching the edits

[00:42:26] and they kept refining it if something wasn't clear he'd slow it down and if something was too clear he'd speed it up he wanted everything to occupy just the amount of time it took to register yeah yeah and that's the other big part of this

[00:42:40] I mean he gets a what's his name John Searle out of retirement the sealed the cinematographer out of retirement for this movie and the whole principle of it is the most important element has to be perfectly in focus as close to the center of the frame as possible

[00:42:56] because we're going to be cutting so fast that the brain needs to develop a process for understanding what is he would keep saying to Seel like you need the cross hairs of the camera on their noses and Seel would be like I don't get it

[00:43:08] I'm like cutting and he'd be like don't worry about that well this actually makes is the case I think for it being like the movie of the future especially if you're talking about movies that people aren't going to be looking at a second screen during

[00:43:20] because you literally can't right but it would just be like looking at a second screen while like just like sitting next to traffic going by and just hearing noise and as like as proven by the blood bag thing like major plot points are revealed within

[00:43:36] three seconds of a shot without dialogue yeah yeah yeah and it feels like that density of information though is like I feel like more so than 3d or something else that feels immersive like the density of information is immersive in the opening section of this

[00:43:52] movie so you cannot like you have to be fully in it you can't be doing something else you can't be still making popcorn like and then you know you go from there like already being all in and that basically carries you through the whole film

[00:44:04] well and that's like 3d felt overstimulating for this movie I thought the 3d conversion itself was pretty good in a technical level and he put effort into it but the movie is just giving you so there's no reason to watch this right the technology the technological advancement

[00:44:22] in this movie is him understanding the way human beings process information and the frame rate too I mean it's not like he's the only person to mess with frame rate but I do think that like the nature of the frame rate

[00:44:36] in this or than the shutter speed specifically in this film is like like is basically makes you feel like you're watching a 3d movie if even if you're not yeah just because of the clarity of the images like you're not yeah again you don't need

[00:44:52] I always love the inventiveness of vocabulary in these kinds of movies but man I'm so surprised to hear that this wasn't like heavily scripted there's so many moments that I just love how it's like they kind of sound like they're saying gobbledygook sure but you know exactly

[00:45:10] elementally what they're talking about well I don't think any of it was really improvising that way it was more that he didn't write a script in the traditional sense you know he didn't sit down and do line for line got it he was thinking images first

[00:45:26] then dialogue to supplement it you know and most often the dialogue is sort of just more color into it it's very rarely something that isn't being conveyed visually well this is the thing that I like okay so he obviously created this entire system of belief

[00:45:42] or quasi religious belief like the whole chrome highways of Valhalla thing like what the war boys do when they're going to go on a suicide run or something witness witness yeah it is cake spray by the way it's cake spray

[00:45:56] I called it I called it we were wondering what the silver spray was it's case I get some ace of cake shit just icing each other I seen their bros but yeah no but to to invent this entire system of like this is what they do this is

[00:46:12] the ritual this is what they believe in and then to to really just winnow it down to these very sparse beats where we get just a glimpse of what that looks like in operation is like so unprecious I think that most people

[00:46:28] especially who do like world building the tendency is like well I came up with all this shit I'm going to show you every single aspect of I'm gonna Lord of the Rings it and it's so not concerned with honoring itself it's just like this exists

[00:46:42] as a piece of color for the world we'll see it exactly as long as we need to see it and there's no like we'll leave all the mythology to people who make the Mad Max wiki which is very in-depth but but I think doubly so

[00:46:56] for people who spend this long on one project when you consider that he spent almost 20 years in development aside from the fact that he's already had three previous films that he built it out so much when you have a movie living in your head for that long

[00:47:10] I feel like so often it is neither this nor the man who killed Don Quixote it's a thing where it's like they just don't know how to translate this to me anymore it's been inside their brain and unexpressed for so long that they've stopped figuring

[00:47:24] out how to put it into any sort of language that is connectable to any other outside people and this movie is just it's as you said it's so stripped down and even when you're starting to see the other tribes they're based around other objects or other currencies

[00:47:40] there's so much short hand there where you're just like I'm sure he has answers for all of this I can infer a ton and I respect the hell out of him for not telling me everything I think I want to know

[00:47:54] but the real question is for everybody in this room are you more of a gas town boy or a bullet bullet farm boy bullet farm because it's a bulletty? well because it's a farm it's a farm, it sounds nice I'm definitely a gas town boy

[00:48:10] you know the people eater he's a bigger guy he's well dressed the bullet farmer is kind of like ehh and he's got bullets for teeth bullet farmer seems mad to your point with the bullet farmers it does seem like they maybe have a better dental plan

[00:48:24] that's true at least in his braces just all fillings but I mean you know I would want to be I mean Emily and I both agree it seems cool to be Morton Joe's son who just sits in a chair and looks through a telescope

[00:48:36] that seems to be like the chillest of the jobs like up in the Citadel what's that guy's name? he's definitely got a name because everyone has a name I'll always remember Rick Disarrectus but he is the big boy and a brother, a baby brother and he was perfect

[00:48:52] let's find out that moment with Rick Disarrectus after the baby dies that is like a moment I feel like I've mentioned this in the room that I just finished where it's like it's one of these great moments that I can only compare to the

[00:49:08] the rain core dying in return of the Jedi and the guy who comes in Morton his name is Corpus Colossus yeah but like just a little tiny glimpse of like somebody mourning or like feeling life or death who is like ultimately pretty inconsequential to the plot

[00:49:26] but it's just like oh there's like all this other stuff going on which is like I love rain core-esque moments yes it's so good first 30 minutes of this movie are essentially 30 minutes 30 minutes the movie fades at 30 minutes on the shot of the firecracker

[00:49:46] he gets the mask off at 45 I timed it there's a digital 30 minutes but no but it's the first 30 minutes with Max giving his monologue and ends with him going into the storm it going black and you see the flare fade but like through all of that it's like

[00:50:02] end of high speed chase into those like catacombs him trying to swing on the hook away from the war boys they're finally capturing him into opening credits then you seeing the sort of inner workings of the immortal Joe temple and you know the war boys chilling out

[00:50:18] getting some blood and then you see the water is one of the most inferior there's two really scary looking things in this movie that don't have to do with cars and one is the water being dumped on all those people wretched is what those people are called

[00:50:32] it's mean rude I don't think a Morton Joe is a nice guy I gotta be honest I think he comes up with mean names for people I feel the way you feel David when someone doesn't finish food in movies watching a Morton Joe spill all this water

[00:50:48] because a lot of it is just going to fucking waste very silly get a little tap a little faucet have everyone line up great cause great the other thing is when the Foovalini lady slides down the rope with no pants on that definitely I mean

[00:51:06] that just like makes me cringe every time she's obviously built up years of calluses when it zooms come on not a pleasant life the Valkyrie who was supposed to play Wonder Woman I told Emily and Hugh Keyburn was supposed to play Martian Manhunter of course Hugh Keyburn

[00:51:26] was also toke cutter in the original Mad Max it is truly wild just beyond like he's I'm going to make a fourth Mad Max 15 years later why would you do that Mel Gibson is not in it obviously it's going to have Tom Hardy Tom Hardy

[00:51:42] I guess he's up and coming or villain maybe he could get a big no no no no no no I'm going to get the guy from my first Mad Max movie so you're bringing back toke cutter no new character

[00:51:52] he's going to play someone else how old is he I don't know 60s maybe 70s he's old he looks like me he's got my hair do you have any other villains no I mean like not famous ones right it's just right you guys

[00:52:06] I mean I guess like Charlie's there and Nicholas Holt are the other two names in this movie almost all the wives like became they all became like I mean this is like most of you know that's early for all of them yeah yeah I have been surprised

[00:52:22] that Rosie hunting whitely hunting 10 whitely is the one who doesn't seem to have capitalized off of this because I think she's very good in this she's only made two movies I know I think she mostly I mean one I think she had an

[00:52:36] absolutely horrendous time making this movie they had to pluck out all her eyelashes because they got like weird chemicals and during like not happy about she's a professional supermodel she was like I need eyelashes and her first experience was Transformers which is also

[00:52:52] presumably a nightmare yeah great movie Transformers dark of the moon and American masterpiece the other film that predicted twitter but um but yeah so I don't think she had a great time but I think also she just has like a bustling modeling career

[00:53:04] yeah she just went back to it but like Abby Lee was a model before this and then after this has gone into have a pretty good acting yeah she was kind of more at the age I think when models are like I'm gonna try acting

[00:53:14] because you're kind of aging out of it but she's like she's so good she's so good I love she's so funny and young demon she's like oh I want to see her in my stuff yeah it's one of the best things I saw that year she has

[00:53:28] Abby Lee still doing stuff you know she's in the dark tower she's in I just think I think Hudson and Wiley has a lot of integrity in this movie with the least screen time of the brides and she has to sort of carry a lot of emotional weight

[00:53:44] mm-hmm I mean you don't see them escape the tanker really fully until the 30 minute mark yeah and she's dead before the hour mark yeah and that has to feel like a consequential loss to multiple different characters probably shortened her shooting time yeah she only shot for seven years

[00:54:00] yeah suppose everyone else shooting 10 I tried to watch this in the black and chrome edition if I can do a little corner here on some thoughts I have no interest in that well so I've thrown it out I've looked at it

[00:54:14] yeah I don't care about this black and white thing I mean I love a black and white movie can I offer my thoughts sure when we were covering a movie I've seen as many times as I have with this sometimes I'm like if there's an alternate version

[00:54:24] I'll watch the alternate version this time or I'll watch it with commentary this time because the film is already playing in my head nonstop so I tried watching it with this and by the time they get to the end of the

[00:54:34] opening set piece where they're caught up in the storm I was like why am I watching this without color right because this is a movie that uses color so fucking well yeah and when the first production stills came out from the movie in like 2013

[00:54:48] like a year before it even they showed footage for the first time at Comic Con the stills were super desaturated sure and everyone was like oh it's this kind of look it's what all modern all modern upon brown town I want to see them

[00:55:04] they look bad total brown town and you were like okay so great it looks like everything else modern mad max looks like fucking everything else and then when people saw the comic con reel they were like this thing looks fucking insane they claim that 90% of its practical

[00:55:18] the stunts you see in the trailer are nuts I have no idea what the plot is but also this thing is so fucking colorful so when that first trailer came out and it's like a fucking Crayola box

[00:55:28] and you're not used to seeing that in this type of film it looked like this yeah lame nobody wants that basically sepia times right looks crummy I mean one of the great things about this movie because I think that you could do that saturated

[00:55:46] yellowed look which is very I associate with breaking bad when everybody did color grading to make everything yellow cause we're in Mexico definitely traffic but I think that the saving grace of this movie is that they kept the sky blue having a blue sky

[00:56:06] in all of those shots where everything is basically brown and yellow and it's like some red when people are bleeding out of their blood bags the sand is like bright yellow and the sky is bright blue and the fire is bright red and the colors really like pop

[00:56:22] and watching it in the black and white version you get I'm sorry the black and chrome version it makes you realize like addition there's this quote I forget who it is but when color was first introduced to film one of the key filmmakers of that time period

[00:56:38] was like this is going to ruin the art form people were just figuring out how to use black and white yeah and this is an extra tool that people weren't ready for and watching this movie in black and white makes you realize how well

[00:56:52] he uses color how much he does know how to use color that you're removing from it something that actually is an important storytelling asset yeah when something like parasite gets thrown out is like oh guess what they're going to release a black and white

[00:57:04] cut I'm like I don't care I don't give a shit and I love that movie as much as I love this movie but I see no value to it the weird kind of value you get from watching a little bit of this movie in black and white

[00:57:14] is because so much of it is practical it feels like you're watching like metropolis or something and because so much of it is visual and doesn't rely on dialogue yeah it feels like you're watching some odd 1920s epic right the version

[00:57:28] of this I would like to see him do just as a thought experiment is him going further and just doing its black and white its only score no for the title I just with it or titles I want

[00:57:38] him to do the silent film version to have it as a thought experiment whatever I have no interest in that I kind of watching this movie with the sound on in black and white just feels like what am I doing why am I

[00:57:48] like removing one of the keel I just I don't get the black and white yeah I don't understand why people like Bong's quote about it because he did it for paris like yeah like well black and white movies are like very classy and arty and I just

[00:57:58] thought like what if my movie looks like he was more like I'm like yes that is what doing your movie right that's the only reason they do it I mean like I was what I was somewhere I can't remember but like I was well they

[00:58:10] was like somewhere like a bar or something and they were playing like the local news it was in LA and it was like the night before the Oscars and they were just going through like the nominees and they showed like a two-second clip of parasite

[00:58:22] and I was like watching it from the cross the room in this bar like with a chiron underneath it just like not at all ideal but it had that shot of like when they're at the little corner convenience store and you know he's coming down the alley

[00:58:34] to meet his friend near the beginning of the movie it's such a beautiful shot like the color in it is so gorgeous that I was just like damn what a beautiful movie that was on top of everything else like and that's like in the most unideal situation possible

[00:58:48] it was yeah it was yeah I don't know why anybody would do the black and white thing for that I think it is just the thought experiment thing of like do you know this thing that Soderbergh did with Raiders of the Lost Ark

[00:59:00] where he was like I'm going to convert it into black and white and turn off all the sound and put it to the social network store but that was just him being like I like fucking around like he wasn't like I should this should be in the theater

[00:59:10] no no no this is my thought experiment his thing was like I want to do this so I could study just the visual storytelling of Raiders and not be distracted by anything else and I just want to focus on like the visual math of this movie

[00:59:24] right and I think that's the value to doing something like this but also it's not really that interesting as its own thing it's like peak digital special feature like you can toggle it on for half a second yeah you can compare and contrast

[00:59:38] there's its own version of the movie what are you gaining from it I was going to say one of the... well have you guys watched the score only version of The Last Jedi which is available as an option no I don't know that is quite delightful that's why

[00:59:54] I was almost on board with you I kind of like the score only version no dialogue because these movies that are very music driven often it is kind of a fun thought experiment like oh yeah I basically get what's going on exactly but not black and white

[01:00:08] you guys look a movie I'm going to stand by this the feature I wish you could do and you can't do them at the same time is score only black and white just to see how it plays we're fighting we're fine this is a fight

[01:00:18] we're fighting on the Fury Road yes exactly and I will meet you in the... yeah but there is the black incriminate and I own it now I suppose I could watch it you know what I wish you could not for this movie

[01:00:32] but I think about Lord of the Rings actually a lot while watching this movie just because the way that does like compositing and digital and stuff feels kind of like of the same school both what a movie yeah yeah that's probably what I didn't realize it was

[01:00:46] a what a movie that makes sense Australia but just like the because I remember that movie being such like the beginning of color grading and stuff and like being able to see an alternate color grade because I think that a lot of that stuff can age

[01:01:00] really poorly so like seeing either like a less color graded movie or like a re like kind of just like remastering but just for color yeah I think that could be a cool feature to do but that's different than just taking all the color out

[01:01:14] sure it would be interesting look it would be interesting just to compare and contrast because these things can be done so quickly and easily to see the de-saturated version of this movie to see the movie that is like the clean footage they shot because this is at one

[01:01:26] extreme end of the spectrum with a movie that's this good it's fascinating to try to watch it in any sort of way so you can sort of focus on different components but the version of this movie that came out in theaters is the best version of this movie

[01:01:40] absolutely I agree right doesn't really need to be messed with the plot though yes so they go on the fury road right well furiosa imperator and we do stand and we are obsessed but also just beautiful that this character is introduced

[01:02:00] with you know walking away from the camera starting on the back of her neck seeing the brand and that she moves further and further away towards the truck you see her robot arm and you see the wheel yes and of course you have

[01:02:14] Morton Joe doing his sort of like you know we're after that food from he's explaining what's going on to his people but you're seeing like the milk farms your understanding the whole sort of function economy of gas town yes so she's right

[01:02:36] she's a trucker who's going on a run and everybody has to come to see her off because imports and exports super important yeah I think it's just part of the cult of the war boys you know where it's like you know this is a fun trip

[01:02:50] everything has to feel like a religious event she's got the water and she's gonna bring the water and get guzzling and Morton Joe provides first people 100% and so off she goes with her war rig which is so cool and sounds like a whale anytime it honks

[01:03:08] they layer in whale sounds they want it to be like a big mobi dick kind of thing all the vehicles are functioning yeah that's what she's saying this thing is completely insane what kind of it they should all go to jail

[01:03:20] because they started building them in like what 2002 or something yeah sure they designed it right 100% like a lot of those had been around for a long time before they shot but yeah it's so weird to think that you know wake up at 4am

[01:03:34] you go to hair and makeup your entire body is caked in white makeup they shave your head you know give you black's eyes right and it's like getting your car you get into one of those things you're like turn it on I guess

[01:03:46] the weirdest thing to think about is so often if the car is actually moving it's probably moving at like 30 miles per hour like Charlie's there on pretending that you're like in the race of your life in this giant fucking like Gonzo car driving like a grandmother

[01:04:02] yes all the boys are sort of I just love that shot of them going to get their wheels that's what I was gonna say just communicating like the world so quickly that they're all just like getting their wheels and one of the few dialogue setups is

[01:04:18] Nux is hooked up to Max and they think he's too weak to go see off Furiosa one of the only times there's proper info done where someone's like Furiosa's going up there like you know like someone actually tells him what's going on

[01:04:32] yeah that's when they're off to chase her he's gonna strap the blood bag Max to the front of his car placing Max in the middle of the action well he's gonna die historic on the fury road of course he is

[01:04:44] if I'm gonna die that's what I'm gonna do but right because Furiosa goes off the road but I once again the fucking restraint of just the guys come up to her window and being like it's that way and her just sort of nodding

[01:04:56] and then the guy's going back and being like I'll pass it down I think she knows what she's doing that it takes like 10 minutes for them to question is she fucking us over they're dealing with the spiky cars who are great and we stand we're obsessed

[01:05:10] when the war boys are finally trying to catch up with them there's already she's already dealing with the regular which is like three spiky bw bugs which is a reference to Peter weir's great exploitation movie the cars they pair us and then I love the spiky RV

[01:05:25] I just I just love it when there's a level up you know I get these guys are spiky cars and they're like geez these guys are hard well let's get the spiky RV the spiky tractor trailer but like their lives so yeah oh my at least the wretched

[01:05:39] get like a water bath once a month those guys it's just like what do we got spiky cars anything else if someone comes here we got it that's our deal isn't so depressing that this movie is like you know the three currencies water gasoline and bullets

[01:05:55] that's what the best fucking idea of the movie on point but it is just like probably gonna come down to that right I mean it's probably where we're going right it's food and guns and and machines and chains and blood so they like

[01:06:11] and so the first half hours all that happening right people only come to realize the furiosa is going off and she goes into the sandstorm her whole move of when she goes off the path I was thinking about that a lot because it's like

[01:06:26] it's all in full view because it's a desert so like Joe is watching her they're not going down like an alleyway no it's not like okay once I'm turned around the corner then we can sneak off like there's really no

[01:06:37] other way for her to do it so it's just like how do you make that calculation of like when you can deviate from the path so that you still have enough time like it feels like a very like it is

[01:06:49] a movie where it's a chase movie that takes entirely it plays entirely on like an open just flat expanse so there's no topography it's not like the born identity or anything like that it's uh I don't know I just I thought that was kind of funny

[01:07:03] it also feels like so much of her move with people questioning her before it starts to become an actual like violent chase is her being like I have built up such a reputation I'm fucking through not question me I will get like 10 15 minutes going off

[01:07:17] course where I want to building up a little bit of a lead on them before they even start to question my motives well they have to find that the wives are gone first right there's that which is what they check on when he sees them

[01:07:29] veer off and then of course you've got that great set though like weird school yeah things you know all that stuff go on Emily this is my only only face this is my only problem with the whole movie I think that although

[01:07:43] we are not things stuff is really silly and bad um I love it because it's like as they they keep saying it's from what's her name splendid and carad rosie hunting the white one who came up with we are not things so it's like they're very elemental

[01:07:59] language right because they keep saying like she's the one who said it we are not things she's become their like spirit she's there like that there's a little sort of like you know individualistic I feel like they should have taken the milk ladies with them too

[01:08:15] but the milk oh well sure I mean but they're very comfortable sitting like I don't know if they'd be into the whole like come on guys hide in a water tank don't seem very mobile yeah I don't know it's like I think that this

[01:08:29] movie is fun and fine and I don't think too hard about it but I do think that like it's super feminist I'm like yes furious is like a cool character but I think like if you examine its feminism too hard it doesn't go that far but

[01:08:43] and like even and yeah no super broad but I think I think that if you appreciate it on those levels like great totally works within the movie it's just it's just criticism around it I almost cried several times rewatching it this morning

[01:08:57] just because I can't believe it exists there were moments where something would just happen on screen I can't remember specific ones because it was like five or six times where I was just like how is this a thing that not only was

[01:09:09] made but came out was well received was a hit and got copious Oscar nominations like it's fully like has earned the reputation deserves and beyond winning all the Oscars like that year the critics and the sort of cool kids were like well that's

[01:09:23] obviously that should be a winner right right what even one there spotlight that's the spotlight revenue year yeah yeah is that the year yeah it's that yeah because it was that thing where it was like I do love cause I was a fun Oscars because I won

[01:09:37] all those technical awards and every single person who came up to accept an award for fear it looked incredible they were amazing like they walked off the side it was it was so funny because they were also all sitting together

[01:09:47] and you would just see one of them stand up wearing like 40 carpets and being like I didn't get another man George you may six Oscars it was yes then when Leo and in our out to one it was like oh fuck it's this gonna go to the

[01:10:03] Revenant and then spotlight at the end of the night was kind of a pleasant surprise right that I love spotlight I mean it is it is a very different movie from Mad Max I would say but I would say the Revenant and Fury Road have more in common

[01:10:17] 100% spotlight especially starting with Tom Hardy if a mumbling Tom Hardy yeah that's the right Tom Hardy got that that's why it was annoying when it felt like a bad Fury Road like the Revenant which is Fury Road with like pretension over explaining it Fury Road Fury Road

[01:10:35] Fury Road joke Revenant could have done it give her points five comedy points five comedy cubes ice cubes give him some comedy points for that hopefully come on by this point we should have our comedy point coins right you know we are actually making physical comedy

[01:11:01] point currency and also beyond we're trying to disrupt the American economy I have been on an email chain thread about this even though I was barely aware that it was happening every day I get like another email it's like so here's the update on the coins

[01:11:15] why are we making coins do you ever feel like you've created an economy of fire and blood I just want people to witness me comedy town comedy yeah so after the storms they go into the storm they go into the heart of the storm

[01:11:33] and then there's the moment at minute 30 where the screen goes black before then is when the score builds finally it'd be beyond the just like humming score but it does some real like blomps it has a melody it goes you know right and you see the car

[01:11:47] going into the storm and exploding max has been trying to free himself from the hood of the car and that's when nukes is like you know what a glorious day yeah yeah yeah he spills porters water all over himself no it's gasoline isn't he gonna

[01:12:01] he's gonna explain it's a gasoline what am I talking about there's something else that happens I guess max is just trying to punch his way in right he's just like yeah and speaking a lot this is because I was watching with subtitles too there are like transcribed lines

[01:12:17] of dialogue specific things he was saying it is just part of the brilliance of this movie that that's when he's the most verbal I also think that the whole driving into the storm thing another thing I really respect about this movie is that driving into the storm

[01:12:31] whether literally or just sort of tonally theoretically is always a thing that happens in the last like 10 minutes of the movie like the minute 30 of this movie looks like the end of most movies like of this kind of movie like it looks like the end of

[01:12:49] return of Skywalker is that what that movie was called? Rise of Skywalker remember all those ships the dead speak splashing but we've talked about this before at minute 30 when the screen goes black our entire audience person to applause and then you could also hear them exhale

[01:13:07] that's so cool everyone had been holding their breath white was on his feet pumping his fists really? I remember him being very into the movie he was there and I kept on checking him he was there with it seemed like three or four family members

[01:13:23] like he was like this is a big one that's sweet now I'm looking up his review watch me be totally wrong I think he liked it I'm picking it up but you guys it's another thing about George Miller is he knows peaks and valleys so well

[01:13:41] he knows when to take his photo did not? that doesn't mean anything that's just like part in what hot American somewhere with the day by day everybody's feeling it and then perhaps the greatest joke in a movie is when they just

[01:14:03] clapping and then they all boo at the same time it always gets me that is the funniest shit it's so good I mean it has a lot of competition with like 12 other bits in what hot for me I just recently rewatched what hot

[01:14:19] because I was like feeling crappy one day that's what it's for I used to watch it like twice a month it's up there it's one of the most watched movies in my life it would be up there with a Star Wars I had a flipper disc

[01:14:33] of it and a movie starring Jerry Stiller that I have still never heard I have to look up the name of the there was on sale in a shop in Britain what? wait I'm sorry I love how I don't see it coming until I'm halfway into an anecdote

[01:14:51] and then I'm like right I lived in Britain when this happened what? there was a store in Britain there was a store? called Poundland which in America in America sounds very pornographic but in England just meant that everything in the store was available for

[01:15:13] one pound why would it cost one pound? because it was because it was cheap shitty stuff why wouldn't it cost like a a rupee, a peso I once bought computer I used to like going to Poundland just to see like what do they have on sale that's like

[01:15:31] not even remotely cost I bought computer speakers once and I was like I can't believe you keep I mean I really respect that you will admit on the podcast that you love to go to Poundland he said he once liked it's true he doesn't like it anymore

[01:15:45] please tell me that he's a Poundland he once liked going to Poundtown so but they had DVDs one pound each they have great sales at PoundTown but that's the balance though you know the tricky thing is you have so much good stuff there

[01:16:03] that you have to use a lot of restraint to not blow your load at Poundtown please just keep going I'm enjoying this someone actually wrote an article about this which I truly appreciate oh right someone I went to college with wrote an article about this flipper disc

[01:16:19] because I then said to him go to Poundland and buy this flipper disc because Wet Hot American Summer is one of the two sides Gwilym Mumford, shout out Gwilym Mumford he now works for The Guardian you had a friend named Gwilym

[01:16:35] well there's a lot of people in England telling someone to go to Poundland it sounds like telling someone to go fuck themselves why don't you go to Poundland which but the other side was a movie called The Independent starring Jerry Stiller and Jeanine Garofalo

[01:16:49] which is like a mockumentary where he's like a sort of like a z-grade or mini-dractor I never watched it but I had Wet Hot American Summer that was like side A and the movie was never released in Britain theatrically because it was barely released theatrically here

[01:17:07] and I just remember coming home putting it on to my friends I was like you're gonna like this thing it's sort of in the vibe of movies you like and what's the first joke in Wet Hot American Summer, I think it's David Harce

[01:17:19] David Hype-Hers being like I said like I said no there were like 87 jokes before that it was the first interaction in that movie is Jeanine Garofalo coming up to him no no no because the movie opens with everyone waking up yeah there's the speaker

[01:17:35] there's the kid talking about the movie right there anyway anyway I just remember that moment him saying I said no them all just like jumping in their seats and being like wait is this gonna be great it's a big moment for me oh it's humongous

[01:17:49] I think before that though I think the first laugh that I get from that movie it's not that I said no it's their first interaction where they just like say hi to each other for the first time and then she looks away and she take

[01:18:01] it's a podcast so you won't see me but she just takes her mug and she goes that is so good I know exactly what you're talking about it's also funny that Jeanine Garofalo was in both of the flipper just yeah but it's probably it's like a Jeanine Garofalo

[01:18:13] super pack for the fans Emily there's that bit in the in the first like mug interaction before they've actually spoken where they were like miming little bits to each other and he mimes oh he throws his mug accidentally where he has like a hole

[01:18:33] and then there's like a cat that screeches in the back what is that not funny just throwing something and then a crazy sound it happens so much but then I believe they hard cut to the cafeteria and someone drops their plate at breakfast

[01:18:45] and they use the exact same sound effect again within 10 seconds it's so good that's the bit that destroys me the hardest I laugh in that movie is the Alan Schirmer run oh yeah and there's one Zach Orth reaction shot he's so funny

[01:18:59] he's crucial to both Alan Schirmer and Day by Day because he has the loudest brewing cause he's right in the brain he's like BOOM so good but there's one where he's laughing so hard and then he has to force his eyes open and it looks like he's

[01:19:13] like he's in pain laughing so hard it's the best comedy ever made it's the best movie it is one of the most influential movies it's a perfect movie I love it I rewatch Rudd like doing his like dramatic you want to talk about perfect alternate versions of movies

[01:19:35] have we all watched the fart cut oh I've watched the fart cut have I watched the fart cut the fart cut is incredible it's just a movie with more farts hell yeah really they do a lot of them but they make very specific choices

[01:19:53] so when he's picking up the shit from the floor every time he bends over there's another fart I'm writing this down you should do that for Fury Road black and chrome in Farts edition is one of the American summer the Fury Road of comedy probably

[01:20:09] it just never stops and we should do a fart cut on this show behind the Patreon we're going to announce for the first time we're adding another tier to Patreon it's just whatever episode came out that week with extra farts the tier cost $20

[01:20:25] I was about to say in terms of the labor it would take for you to add farts I'm feeling Ben would be into it though because the thing is I got to do it Foley style you have to do it each fart yourself you can't just rip them

[01:20:41] rip-rips from the internet the fans demand Verite Farts after the storm then you have the great one on one set piece Max finding Furiosa and fighting the one on one combat and he's still trying to get his fucking mask off once that mask off

[01:21:03] you really want it off for him he also needs the chain off he has to carry Nux with him and as they're fighting he keeps getting sort of choked and finally wakes up I think it's the first part where he starts filing away his mask

[01:21:19] it's not before this storm there's a part where he's that's after the storm because during the storm he's just trying to get himself freed from the car when he wakes up it's the final that gross detail where looped into the chain is the blood

[01:21:33] but I think it's when the gas town people start showing up and then something or who starts showing up after the storm and then he turns and sees them and he turns around and immediately starts filing and that was one of the early parts that I was like

[01:21:49] this just feels like Twitter for some reason to me it also feels like like loony tunes that's what's so great I was about to use that exact same comparison but I think that's part of speeding up some of the footage is you have these basic human

[01:22:05] movements which are now amped up and sped up to it feels like Chuck Jones where like Bugs Bunny is able to in one instant go from one extreme pose to another the way he's looking back over his shoulder and then very quickly filing

[01:22:19] I didn't know that Jeremy Renner was up for this but I can't imagine he's not funny enough he doesn't sound right for it even though it's funny that he is it's not like he's far from Tom Hardy physically of course that's the obvious choice to replace Mel Gibson

[01:22:37] Jeremy Renner he seems too clean well you're, he's hanging out at his house it's weird get dirty Jeremy then I'll just pee Ben trying to give him advice show up to his home with two sacks of fertilizer you know and jeans hey put on the jeans Jeremy

[01:22:57] bring them up bring them up you should say that oh they're up isn't that what they say at the end when they're trying to bring bring them up you should do that every time you go on your third jeans you have this great Furiosa Mad Max fight

[01:23:15] and it's like the movie is slowing down for the first time with an intimate two person fight scene where these two characters the two movie stars are finally getting to interact but they're also both just in survival mode they're like wild animals meanwhile the girls are cutting their

[01:23:33] chastity belts off oh the chastity belts with the teeth love them I mean I hate them they're very bad but like I love them also but also the symbol the skull and the chastity belt is the same as what's on Furiosa's wheel

[01:23:47] I mean all these things of how you see how she's like built her life as a former Morton Joe Bride recontextualized all these elements and tried to own them herself but Max Grazes Rosie Hunting Wiley with the Bullet and it sets up this element that makes the

[01:24:07] Furiosa think so much more clear of how it freaked out a Morton Joe gets if his wives are damaged that they need to be these perfect humans that they all need to be former models or the daughters of celebrities or granddaughters and likeos I guess Priscilla Puzzling

[01:24:25] kind of counts as a celebrity but yeah and I do love that Max is like I'll steal the war rig drives off 5 seconds later it stops working right right that she the Brides are all freaked out Priscilla's the Brides are all freaked out

[01:24:45] and Furiosa's fine with it because she just knows like you think I'm a Morton like I set this truck up so that no one else can operate it that's why they sort of ally with Max like pointing guns at everyone and being like

[01:24:59] I love Tom in that mode that's the word I want him in distrusting everyone grumpy in the condition he's in and also being like the only man among them at this point and pointing guns at everybody it's kind of he doesn't feel dangerous he just feels foolish

[01:25:17] and like having the ostensible even though he's obviously not the lead of the character this is lead character this has been very well established but I think like this is kind of the first where you're like yeah this isn't like the hero of our story he's gonna like

[01:25:31] you know he's gonna become a better person through this but right now he's just like crazed and he's still in like cage animal mode yeah yeah well that's the beauty of sort of decentralizing Max from the sort of import of the story and the narrative

[01:25:49] that he can actually just be like truly mad like he's like a feral animal where when he has to fulfill more of the obligations of a protagonist the guy has to be a little more conventional hero movie star and in this he can just be like Tasmanian devil

[01:26:05] right after that is when Nux climbs aboard starts doing damage and they just throw him off and they're like Morton Joe is a slanger you know whatever they're like and like that's the moment where Max gets a little like like world view right life story is just completely

[01:26:21] upended I love Max getting his jacket back from him too yeah but it's just such a like Nux is he always sucks yeah like he does a bad job in the storm he does a bad job there he does a bad job again later when

[01:26:35] you to more joey's like I get on there he just falls like whatever doesn't he say like mediocre yeah yeah so good and you know the only finally in the end he redeems himself but like most of the time he's a shitty war boy

[01:26:49] yeah yeah which I love yeah he's so sick he just wants to be in the club he's got his two lumpy friends he does have his little lump voice that's the most bent moment of the movie entirely he's so sad about them too

[01:27:03] but he like has names for them yeah so cute I just I think that if it wasn't for the fact for what the lumps the lumps if it wasn't for the fact that Tom Hardy is so strange and wonderful in this movie and Charlie's Theron

[01:27:19] is like one of the most incredible action hero performances in recent history yeah like somehow Nicholas Holt gets lost in that I know but he is so so good in this movie and I think re-watching it you really like once you kind of are done being

[01:27:37] pulled over by the two leads then you can really appreciate the work he's doing such good work such good like comic work very comic but when you're all made up I feel like people will underrate your performance maybe just sort of out of hand because it's like

[01:27:53] oh well the wink up must be doing a lot of work here and I just think he's lips too weird chapped lips super chappy I find that dismissal frustrating because I think so often it is being that made up freeze up an actor gets them

[01:28:07] out of their head and they're like I'm not going to get a good response from them they haven't added freedom and then people chalk that extra energy up to oh they just look weird I'm responding to the design Joe Reed gave him the supporting actor

[01:28:25] on the show he gave him the credit he deserved he witnessed him it remains very wild to me that Charlie's didn't get a best actress nomination I guess so and then she proceeded to not get too optimistic but they never nominate action people like the Sigourney Weaver

[01:28:43] thing is like the 100% exception to the role but this felt like I feel like it's the exception that proves a role in a weird way yeah 100% I'm going to find you the best actor never forget you guys though all women are super heroes

[01:28:57] well that's true and I didn't know that until they told me here were the five best acting that's actress nominee when is this coming out that reference is going to be a hell of old May people are rewatching May 24th here were the five best acting best actors

[01:29:21] Brie Larson for ROOM, The Winner all women are superheroes Kate Blanchard for Carol Serja Ronan for Brooklyn Charlotte Rampling for 45 years which was like a nice career nomination and then of course she was like people are racist against white people I can't remember what she did something French

[01:29:41] very French but it was very annoying that she did that and then of course the one person who really deserved to be there then this was huge and this was really great that they recognized this Jennifer Lawrence for Joy oh my god

[01:29:55] that is the one where you're like well it's a loaded year well I was thinking about this talk about somebody who is like evaporated she's chilling she was in the movie last year Dark Phoenix she was really in that movie we're X-Men we have to be the

[01:30:17] she's in Dark Phoenix is that a direct quote? probably honestly she gives some speech like that before she gets shoved into a wall and then dies I have a 345 flight out of Burbank so I only can do 2 or 3 takes of this scene

[01:30:31] that's what every moment of her performance all 28 of them feels like is Nicholas Holt in Dark Phoenix? it's the first X-Men movie that I haven't seen you missed a lot everyone who saw it also didn't see it we watched it

[01:30:47] and then we left her like I still just want to complete it and see all the X-Men movie you just saw it nah I don't remember that I took a nap she has a movie coming out this year is it her secret surprise movie?

[01:31:01] she has a secret surprise movie? is it called secret surprise the movie? it's the movie about where she plays a soldier who has a brain injury it's very like oscar sounding whose directing it? uh lila newbauer I agree

[01:31:17] I don't know that's someone called lila newbauer who's never made a movie it's like I wanted like red sparrow to be the thing like okay I'm just gonna do a kind of like I mean the equation is not consensually she needs my best friend's wedding

[01:31:33] like Julia Roberts was in this became the take where it's like she needs to do a rom-com I'm like I don't want to get it but I don't know she should just do whatever she wants but I'm saying that like I like

[01:31:45] when I saw the movie she wanted to make she's the author of that movie I know I know and I was like cool do a kind of pulpy that sounds great I just didn't love the movie but like more stuff in that line of thinking though is great

[01:31:59] like she should just have mother I don't think that's a title of that movie can you try mother yeah I'd like her to make more movies I enjoy Jennifer Lawrence I enjoy the comedy stylings and the joyous stylings of Jennifer Lawrence she might come back hard

[01:32:17] she might? I don't know it's kind of a point where we're now asking that question yeah we're like it does feel like her as star as our favorite engineer feels extremely dated and old now like her tripping everywhere and stuff

[01:32:31] feels like a real thing we had to get out of our system it feels like it feels super that was sincere sort of you know early Twitter energy she's great she eats snacks she loves the snacks her best friend is Amy Schumer all this stuff

[01:32:47] everything is the same it's so bizarre to think about but then when I watched like old weekend updates and so many of the jokes are about like Julia Roberts leaving Kiefer Sutherland at the altar and then the I'll Love It thing

[01:33:01] and all these weird sort of like arcs of her career it does feel like it was that thing where she was like so much so fast everyone loved her she was everything then everyone was like fuck this why is Julia Roberts rich? crammed down our throats

[01:33:15] my best friend's wedding came around everyone was like of course we always loved her she has never stopped being our favorite movie star I'm not saying it literally has to be a rom-com but she needs to find the movie like that I agree I don't know

[01:33:29] she's also so ridiculously young yeah she is right she's like Bradley Beal or whatever where you're like god she's been around forever it's like nah she's like 28 how old is she? she's 29 yeah born in 1990 only true 90's kids will understand only true 90's kids will understand

[01:33:47] anyway so they go to the canyon with the bikers what do you think of the bikers Ben? like the yarn guys exactly the yarn guys scavengers I mean I like that they're sort of like no strings attached even though they do have strings attached

[01:34:05] they're like really out there they're covered in strings like they're covered in rags there are many strings attached but they're actually in joy heads because they're big moms when you think about it they're like anti-penocchio but no one's holding them down they just own the canyons

[01:34:23] yes that's their deal they ride dirt bikes which I love I've been riding dirt bikes so long and when I watched this it was bringing me back dirt bike Benny hasn't even ridden a dirt bike recently no I haven't had a chance

[01:34:35] where am I going to do it in Brooklyn? I guess I could what do you think of the bike? I think it's a good idea because I feel like around Brooklyn you could do it I will hit the Fury Road or like Crossback Park

[01:34:51] Ben and I both live on the Fury Road we do Eastern Parkway this is when the movie introduces the notion of where they are going which is the green place but yes after they had the confrontation with the bikers Joe's amazing massive car which is cool

[01:35:11] isn't he funny that his name is Joe Joe so he's like my name's Joe it's just not clicking for like kind of like apocalyptic dictator I need a prefix he gets over the war rig and this is when Rosie Hunting might be die when Joe attacks him directly

[01:35:29] and she falls out and he runs over her she went under the wheels as time max says also skipping over one of my favorite bits in the movie which is max finding all the guns yeah that's great which is another bit with like

[01:35:45] Looney Tunes speed and energy of just him constantly reaching to different places and adding to the pile and every gun looks more ridiculous than the last one I love how crazy all the guns are I want to go back to the canyon bikers for a second

[01:35:57] just because I think that in this movie they are I would actually rank them pretty low because they are like maybe the one thing or the one type of person in this world that feels familiar to me I was just like comparing to them

[01:36:13] they look like Tusken Raiders basically same vibe, same energy you do have a Tusken Raiders and I think when you are using these actual vehicles again working vehicles that are like seven cars piled on top of each other the spinning of the gasoline into the pipes and stuff

[01:36:31] like there's no other movie that has there's a movie the thing with the bikers is mostly fun to watch her kind of like pop them out of the sky but themselves it doesn't feel alien they're not the biggest threat either she kind of just moves past

[01:36:45] there's just some terrain they are called the rock riders according to the Mad Max wiki which is you know kind of corny we should talk about the war party exactly because right of course initially he sends the war rig and some boys but he then

[01:37:01] he has to call everybody in to come get her bunch of fun people but we should talk about this but the doofourier I think is he is like if Jaws like the score was 50% of why it was good doofourier at least gets 25%

[01:37:17] like without him Mad Max doesn't win Oscars I agree that's when the whole thing gels for me when I see that guy I don't know how to watch the rest of the movie I also mean I love the drummers too they're great all of it

[01:37:35] it's not good before then it's just that when that happens and I'm just like oh great here I am in this movie I didn't realize I was watching this movie but I'm now watching this movie is it the coolest thing I think it might be the top

[01:37:49] I swear in a movie that I've ever seen I think it's the coolest thing that anybody ever decided to do it's the best it is one of the coolest things that I've ever seen and it's real I was reading a 150 pound guitar that could actually shoot flames

[01:38:05] seems dangerous especially with the blindfold all fair and he has this whole backstory to him where he was like a blind child so he learned music so he could communicate with other people and found him in a cave and then used him for their own good which rules

[01:38:23] I also just love that in addition to being like the fucking awesome brilliant world building sort of like tone setting as you said it also serves such a good narrative purpose it essentially makes the bad guys theme music diegetic so that in a movie where it's open

[01:38:45] planes and you constantly want to know are the bad guys getting close do they have time or not in the distance but also when they're blocked this is not the dupe for you but when the road is blocked and the drummer they just go down to like

[01:39:01] they're not pumped up right now but they're still going and the fact that most of the score it's a good score but it's pretty the textures of it and the instrumentation of it is pretty standard you have like an electric guitar line in the middle of that

[01:39:23] at least now for what's like standard sounds in an action film except for the fact that you have an actual guy who's playing it's great it's kind of crazy that he didn't get that supporting actor should I call up the list the molly from joy made it in

[01:39:43] I was invented that's what he said, that was his best line of joy thanks for inventing me joy she was like, I'm joyed by the way she doesn't even say it in the movie here are the people who dared beat up the dupe warrior or iota

[01:39:57] dupe warrior as himself oh iota plays the dupe warrior comea dupe warrior silvestre slonin creed mark ruffalo and bridge of spies the man in bean him christian bail in the big short remember that, played the drums mark ruffalo in spotlight the real tom hardy in the revenant

[01:40:17] oh right fucking keeping the dupe warrior out he could have maybe publicly announced you were stepping aside that is a good putter and murmurs though yes god i've been meaning to rewatch that movie the revenant? I will never watch it ever again

[01:40:35] I don't like it, I find it boring I saw it early so I was like, oh is this thing gonna rip and then it was like not the it didn't rip and rev not my tempo after all the stuff we just watched fletcher, drum teacher whip laugh

[01:40:57] is our first night scene they shot those scenes in the daytime turn on the old bluey that's what I love the blue that's just hard blue they got stuck in the mud you got the whole mud scene you see those walkers they look to it

[01:41:15] they go, I think that's a tree they're not sure nux doesn't know, he calls it that thing over there and they have to just that's a tree we just gotta tie the ring up to the thing he says the tree thing this is the green place

[01:41:31] we later learned they don't know it, yeah, cause it looks all blue cause it's the blue place but they look like the land striders from Dark Crystal I saw this movie the second time with a friend of podcast Joe Garden and his former onion cohort Todd Hansen

[01:41:49] great guy when the Doof Warrior came on screen he like literally we were sitting in the front row of the second section of an AMC where they have the bar up, you know what I'm talking about the railing and he grabbed the railing

[01:42:03] and started rocking back and forth and just chanting yes at the reveal of the Doof Warrior and then when these guys appeared the Stilty Boys, he just went I want to know everything about them that's the mark of a good movie, that's the NGs feeling that's the

[01:42:23] tell me everything about that guy he just turned to me and said who are they I want to know everything about them and it was such an infectious feeling are they friends or are they just out there on a run they just ran into each other

[01:42:37] and they were like pro fishermen of course they are do they like fish or radiated crows out of the box I think they go around the bogs and get shit out of the bogs because it's like the green place just turned into a bog

[01:42:51] which is why you get stuck I guess I love a bog I'm a boggy bog you ever see the petrified people on a bog this was one of the early creepy things that I was into as a kid because my mom had a book of them

[01:43:05] and it was a book about bog people called the bog people and it was by somebody named pvglob what globs bog people what here it is pvglob a danish archaeologist here he is here's a picture of him in a bog wait I want to see

[01:43:31] chilling in a bog bog boy right he would investigate the tolland man all the creepy bog people what do we think of max walking off screen there's also the stuff with the bullet farmer where they shoot him and he's blind

[01:43:49] and the beautiful moment where max is trying to take the shots and she's trying to hear us and trying to note him and he's not listening and she comes over his shoulder and he just like closes his eyes and hands the gun back to her

[01:43:59] and uses him as a rest for the gun and he's like this isn't my movie I'm fully seated in control of this movie I also just love the bullet farmer holding the flare up to his eyes and him being like I can't see it this is tin nose

[01:44:15] no that's the people eater oh right of course tin nose but the guy who comes for them at night is the bullet farmer he's the one who says I am the scales of justice which is great line I'm with a lie maybe he is

[01:44:33] I like the bullet farmer a lot that's me also hit me I'm a Libra scales max walks off screen comes back covered in blood washes himself with breast milk and they go are you hurt and she goes it's not his blood no further comment

[01:44:55] takes a little mouth bath and then after that we meet the move a lot there's another fade to black there's a time gel there's a lot of fade to blacks yeah we were saying that so many fades and it's like I think it's good for the

[01:45:11] non-stop nature of the the movie but also like it kind of gives it a sort of almost comforting like TV movie feel or something or like oh like it's a commercial fake but not in a way like feels cheap it just feels like I don't know feels comfy

[01:45:29] yeah no it feels like watching a TV show on DVD it has these nice little reset moments you desperately need those you need them so they arrive to you can gale on a Valkyrie on a platform it slides down that's true badge first sure

[01:45:55] that they identify they don't fall for yes right that's when Max is like that's bait that's when he does that I also didn't shout out with that great moment before Rosie Hunting when he checks on her and she's fine and he gives her the thumbs up

[01:46:11] is so good he's such a good physical actor Green Place no good right she thinks oh now we're close to the Green Place and they're like first of all you passed it second of all our new plan right across this like salt land forever a lot of positives

[01:46:33] again twitter what if we just did this forever I'm gonna win this argument if I keep on replying I will eventually win this argument definitively and no one will be able to quote me what's great about a salt plan is if you need salt it's right there

[01:46:51] all the salt you could never run out of salt yeah not bumpy flat not a little bumpy also unlike a bog pretty dry it's cool you should get really into salt I love salt you should cure the genes in salt salty genes doing a drive you suggest

[01:47:17] I tried to get remember I was asking you if I could use your dock yeah I remember that it's not my dock I have no ownership over it but whatever it's not like anyone's gonna know I just need a rope and a couple of genes

[01:47:31] and I was gonna put them in the water and then take them out can you imagine salty genes that had water I jumped into the ocean in genes before for a long time so it's really built up how long you stay down there it's got barnacles on it

[01:47:47] and there's lobsters that've been pinching at it you don't see the lobsters but you know they've been pinching two things I want to say for the listener at home Ben mimed out pinching at the genes he did a adorable little claw pinch motion secondly David's face went

[01:48:05] bright red when Ben implied he owned a dock I do not own a dock so I now want to start this rumor that David owns a dock I just want to make it clear I'm fine with this bet we should make a bit

[01:48:17] but nothing I own property just a dock just a dock you're buying docks left and right what do you think you're using the Patreon money for docks you're saying invest in docks to Griffin and I we're like alright David everyone needs a port in a storm wow

[01:48:31] that's sound I will say that I know someone I just want to make it clear to listeners that I know someone who does have they don't even own it but their parents they don't even own the water and Ben knowing this asked me if he could

[01:48:47] in all serious if he could hang genes off the dock for I don't know six to twelve months you know to make some quote-unquote C genes reasonable request and I was like one no two I don't think they'd like that

[01:49:03] imagine looking at a jeans they would love it oh right they would smell so three I don't think the jeans would make it that's my clear they wouldn't come now you could put them in a salt bath or like like or maybe with some herbs and pickle them

[01:49:21] for and and like her be jeans or be pickled jeans sage to gene and now I think that would actually be kind of cool and immersing stuff in salt does make it softer this ocean aspect of it like the plankton all the little dead things

[01:49:35] that are going to be in it is going to be really gross breezes in the winter yeah I would advise against it I'm going to rethink the concept but I think you've made a lot of good points I'm so glad because I had forgotten he did that

[01:49:47] that all got discussed on the project I just want to underline all this again because people ask me all the time how much of the Ben thing is a bit to which I always go look he knows he's funny but also he is

[01:50:01] truly doing all of these things he will talk about it seriously for an hour and a half and also this kind of shit happens off Mike 100% yes yes 100% conversation with Ben about how he couldn't make these are real serious conversations that happen away from any audience

[01:50:21] there was no no no was capturing this is not around other people maybe Griffin but that's it but Ben was basically like can you work that request up the chain and I'm like I'm telling you that the request is stopping here this is the end of the request

[01:50:37] up the chain he's our beautiful boy so Max is like exactly Max is like rather than go across the solve flat I love that he says this he has a suggestion he suggests it he says I suggest that we go back to the Citadel it's undefended

[01:50:55] they're all still chasing after us we take it from you know take the power back we have this movie to say hey you know how this movie has been so far for half of its run time going in one direction what if we just stop here

[01:51:09] and then one back even a conversation with it like should we go around he's like no no no I think we should go right back yeah we should go through the canyon again yeah it's great they cleared it point turn back in the opposite direction

[01:51:21] yeah it is very cute that he says I suggest it's a nice because at that point he's surrounded by all the Ruvolini old women who are like we've been doing this shit yeah and like men basically ruined the world right and we don't trust you

[01:51:37] like he has to be vouched for basically yeah Furiosa's really he's fine this is another moment that's been my mind still in the back right Furiosa falling to her knees dropping her arm shop I mean it makes sense why these images and these memes are circulated

[01:51:57] so frequently on the internet because this movie feels like the internet and when these types of things happen the only way you can think of expressing yourself is with images from this film well and and the most I feel like the most used gift is the

[01:52:10] what is it indiscriminate men screaming or whatever while she's while she's driving that is the most commonly used one which again most sense on Twitter yes so then they go back they have another amazing action sequence that's when the pole cats are introduced swinging left and right

[01:52:33] I said this to Emily when we're watching it but like it is crazy how like circusy and corny so much of the action is like them like swinging around and grabbing each other and like it never feels that way you're like yeah this is awesome this is

[01:52:46] like so hardcore but like actually it really is just like so acrobatic and like oh and if you held on to any of those shots for longer than a quarter of a second right which they don't you know they bear such but the way that magic of editing

[01:53:01] also I forgot the first run out they're doing a lot of the spears the like yes love those love the spears I love it because it just looks like they're throwing fireballs like it's just and like with the two arms like we're like the guy that's the first

[01:53:19] that's the first witness me guys the guy is like yeah yeah it's great great great great stuff that is a place where he really amplifies this movie from the three previous though is that the action choreography is just out of control

[01:53:33] right because I mean ThunderDome obviously has a lot of fighting and the other ones are more vehicle based but this one has sort of like the acrobatics the crazy like stunts of the jumping and the swinging and all of that there's that whole

[01:53:47] extended sequence in the final battle where like Max keeps jumping from vehicle to vehicle like he's with the people eater kills that guy or you know or maybe uses him as a shield and he gets shot puts his foot on the gas his big fat foot

[01:53:59] and then like jumps from that car to another car it's a pole cat I love that Furiosa's cool gas pedal is like a foot sizer you know that thing that she can jam down rules yeah I also love that I like um Nux's little bird

[01:54:20] Wiggles is there a theory that this takes place not in our future but like an alternate timeline that these may be like the present day like Mad Max one is Mad Max one world disintegrating from the 70s on something like that because all the cars

[01:54:34] that are you there's not like current day cars that are used right now but they do worship the v8 engine which is Max's engine like so which more which follows your thing is basically like if you take Mad Max one is happening like right around

[01:54:48] they say the near future the old ladies are supposed to I always take it as have lived in a world we remember you know it's not like this is set like 500 years into the future can I can I throw out a counterpoint because you've now reset

[01:55:06] with Tom Hardy a younger actor the amount of time that has passed in our world between Thunderdome and this has not passed within these two films in a few years rather than 25 right so if the first Mad Max takes place in the near future right in 1980 right

[01:55:26] then this movie might take place in like 2002 and like an alternate timeline 2002 so should I look Chicago was the best picture one of that you should I get into those nominations is that who to do for you or was okay I detail I just because

[01:55:42] this movie is so dense that every time I rewatched I find other things I hadn't picked up on or connections or communications or things it's an obvious one but it just never really stood out to me that Furiosa has the skeleton arm on her driver side door

[01:55:58] so that when she's driving the car it looks like she still has a bone in her arm whereas in fact painted on a rub it on yes her rub it on is by the way very cool cool and I like it very good but the final sequence

[01:56:14] that we're talking about with the Polkats and such the death of Immortan Joe he dies before Rick Disarrectus in which classic Mad Max faction the ultimate baddie dies kind of second to last yeah right his death is pretty great though yeah Furiosa's like remember me

[01:56:32] rip soft as man cool yeah but you've also got Nux's big sacrifice which is my favorite one in the movie it's my whole thing of it's my same argument that I'll make for any big world-building movie where like at the beginning of this thing

[01:56:48] you knew none of this language and none of these rules and by the end Nux is saying witness me and you're like crying because you're like I'm gonna witness he's gonna go about how like you know like you're fully inducted into all this it's everything I love

[01:57:02] about movies but you can enter into something with nothing yeah and but then two hours be speaking as you said an entirely different language they've communicated things to you visually and verbally that suddenly are imbued with so much deep meaning I have no relation to the world

[01:57:16] as you know and then out of the Max saves Furiosa by giving her his blood and you know voluntarily that's the line yeah go on I'm so sorry it's also when he's like I'm back yeah yeah that's my favorite reading it's so like doesn't want to do that

[01:57:36] and he throws away he's just Max like the name is Max he's like delivering it with an energy of like a boy who is too nervous to ask a girl out at a middle school yes Furiosa is pretty cool yeah but I love this

[01:57:50] was yes the big revolution of this movie when it came out and it doesn't even feel that revelatory anymore because I think a lot of stuff has kind of followed suit although I'm now trying to think of like specific examples but it feels

[01:58:02] less out like it felt very iconic classic in that you have these this two very good looking people is the leads of an action movie and they're just friends yeah they are just pals they help each other and then he goes

[01:58:16] yeah he doesn't let go up there to be the king with her queen out to her queen or whatever he's like I would argue that not enough movies to follow suit I wish more did it's a thing I always love

[01:58:26] to see right now would argue the kissing is good never would she kiss I think yeah I mean this is actually they don't have toothpaste anymore I know that I mean the kisses here whoo pretty gross yeah not good no but I think I think that like the

[01:58:40] the debate of kiss kiss kiss versus don't kiss in Hollywood is like it's like imagining like two people on either side of their arms folded the guys were like the other guy David's doing great physical comedy that none of you can say but I feel like

[01:59:02] I feel like in in the short time that I have gone Hollywood I feel like this is a thing that is discussed a lot yeah which is just like do we need that and I actually think in a lot of cases like I think that

[01:59:16] I think that people argue for kiss kiss kiss without actually like like building something that you actually care about when people kiss so that's the problem with that I don't think Max and Furiosa should kiss no to be clear like it would be a little odd honestly

[01:59:32] there's nothing in this movie that suggests they're going to do that you think Knux and Capable should kiss very cute yeah very cute you little guys generally saying that kissing as long as everybody wants to do it yeah is good

[01:59:46] people should do it and if hot people want to do it and they're both interested and they want to show us them kissing see that yeah they want to show kissing they want to show me the kissing David wants to see it so they want to show kissing

[02:00:00] Miller's been there's not enough kissing in movies really honestly though she came around to my side I mean one of the earliest films the kiss the kiss the guy with the gross mustache kisses his life

[02:00:14] and it said a template you went this is going to be one of the main genres you have action you have train thriller and kissing people leaving factory gross mustache kiss it is funny to think that right they're like we got a great movie it's romance

[02:00:26] it's called the kiss what's in it they kiss and then someone else is like I want to do something along those lines but should they like talk before they kiss maybe and thus like a genre it is a thing Miller I mean as we said

[02:00:38] at one point thought this was going to be two movies shot back to back then it was like maybe it's three but I'm going to make them one at a time he has been stuck in some protracted legal battle with Warner Brothers over the profits of this film

[02:00:50] which is halted making another one which he claims he wants to do he always said I want to do something in between but then come back to Mad Max hopefully by the time this episode comes out in production he's supposed to be in production this spring

[02:01:02] on his new movie is a genie romance starring Idris Elba and Tolta Swinton rub that bottle aka my shit but the end of this movie I think is so beautiful and so poetic almost makes me cry every time I see it and watching it this time

[02:01:20] it made me realize as much as I want to stay in the Mad Max world doing any sort of follow up to this will ruin it a little bit because the beauty of this ending to me is the Brides all being up on the platform rising up

[02:01:36] her recognizing suddenly that Max is not there looking into the crowd seeing him Tom Hardy is only he can acting like he is embarrassed to be on camera sort of giving her the knowing nod and then kind of like shrugging it off like I'm gonna

[02:01:52] head out of here this isn't my movie this is your moment I don't belong here I don't get a happy ending I'm Max I'm doomed to be doing this fucking forever I'm on to whatever the next thing is and then they literally just rise out of frame

[02:02:06] I mean you go to black with them rising up isn't it the platform cutting off her yes she's looking back which is so fucking beautiful but if the next movie starts and it is or it's Max then you immediately rob a little power from

[02:02:26] oh these two people have this moment and they went their separate ways and they're leaving the movie what if there was a prequel well it could be that'd be cool I'm down for anything a Furiosa prequel that's without Tom Hardy he should do whatever the fuck you want

[02:02:42] he made this it's all good box office game guys May 15th 2015 Mad Max Fury Road we all know it opened number two number one $45 million is that one directed by Elizabeth Banks that's the banks that's the time they took it to the banks literally and

[02:03:00] figure they sure did it's also one of those like Austin power sess movies that made the more than the original movie made in its opening weekend I that's my favorite set I think they're the only two crazy so pitch perfect to of course was dominating

[02:03:14] the combo $69 million Mad Max comes in with 45 it's just so funny to think that's like Mad Max like Fury Road we're like yeah of course that must have been number one no perfect to it had to be number three at the box

[02:03:28] office tell me number three at the box office yeah it's made to $372 million in three weeks no that's number five furious seven furious seven is so much very much fury this was such a good year for me and my fear of cars was cars three also this year

[02:03:46] no that was 2016 okay number three at the box office it's made $317 million 72 72 in three weeks in what kind of a movie makes that it's a Disney film sure it's not Beauty and the Beast is it no but is it a live action Disney remake no no

[02:04:04] but it is think the simplest what are the movies that make the most utopia it's Avengers age of all oh my god only ultra on its own about how he was the beast I know fourth highest grossing film at the box office this week was about two ladies

[02:04:22] going on a road trip is a top pursuit top pursuit which we told everyone one day number five was furious seven and now our mini series is to come to a close so definitely have to do a bonus episode yeah we're doing

[02:04:34] a bonus episode the bonus episode is his segment from the Twilight Zone movie yeah that right but what a masterpiece what a lovely film can't believe it exists blows my mind will we ever see something like this again it's such a perfect storm of elements in

[02:04:54] terms of it being the right person going back to a well but trying to as you said Emily evolve it thanks George thank you another one weirdo it's good to see Emily Emily great to be back yeah so happy to be back for this movie very long episode

[02:05:16] watch TV show gone on effects sometime in the next five years sometime in the next five years listen to nicole listen to nicole and only thank you for coming back thank you for having me love you Emily and as always almost a cleaning