Manhunter with Chris Cabin and Eric Szyszka

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check It's just you and me now, podcast

[00:00:23] Like, to advertise this movie with it's just you and me now, sport Yeah Like, if I go to see this movie thinking it's gonna be that time Not what I expected Well the context clues are the movie is called Manhunter You're assuming there is a Manhunt Sure

[00:00:39] So you're like I can kinda see how that fits in but the line on its own isn't like It sounds like something you say at like a golf game It's a grandfather where you don't call anybody sport

[00:00:49] That's like Peter Fox like here I'm gonna show you how to play baseball kind of movie For a second I thought he was going back to Florida with his family You and me now sport Like you would yeah, you would say that during a chess match right?

[00:01:01] Right, the other one I was gonna do An amateur chess match Not even a high stakes one Instead of drinking a high stakes one the guy would be like Huh, what are you talking about? Calling an asshole

[00:01:09] Even if you said that in like a Washington Square park chess match They'd be like you don't deserve to be in this table This table that is often occupied by homeless people And he's talking to someone who murders and bites people It's a little casual Nice part

[00:01:23] Say, hey sport, it's you and me now The other one was And if one does what podcast does enough times One will be calm as podcast is That's pretty good Is he trying Do you see? Yes What is, is he trying to be not Scottish in this? Yeah

[00:01:43] He's got the weird inflections A little bit of it He smooths out his accent As time goes on he becomes He's a weird accent guy Because him and X2 Yes He's doing like sort of a Southern accent Right But half the time you're like wait

[00:01:58] Is this guy supposed to be like, you know It's half like I was burning villages in NAMM while you were still Sucking on your mother's teat He does say that He has that thing kind of like Liam Neeson Where even when he's playing an American You're like

[00:02:10] He's not American right Right This doesn't sound like an American talks Right, it's like is he a Scottish guy who like Moved to Kentucky Like when he was 35 That's the only way I can explain this When he's leaving me some movie where he's like

[00:02:23] I was born in Louisiana But every single person who has played Hannibal Lecter Yes Is not American Correct Hannibal Lecter is American I guess But eventually you realize he's from Europe Well Lithuania Right If the TV shows should be believed Yes that's right Right but the rundown is

[00:02:41] Welsh, Scottish, French Yeah And Danish Yeah Okay so we were talking about this yesterday And I'll introduce the show in about Five minutes Sure sure we'll get to it But David and I Me blew our load a little bit But now we have two guests

[00:02:57] To discuss this with How weird it is that Hannibal Lecter is a Franchise Yeah And I know that this movie is the one that's like Outside of the continuity It counts Yeah The name is spelled differently Yeah To make it So it's just a double right

[00:03:13] There's like another Lecter Right And I think because we were going over There's the weird thing where Dino Dillerantis Producer on every Hannibal Lecter movie Other than the one that won this picture Right And I think it's because they misspelled it in this

[00:03:27] I think there was some loophole I can probably look up what the like Vigories of why he doesn't own the rights to The Silence of the Lambs are Like it's something to do with that He had to give permission where he was like

[00:03:39] You can use the characters because I'm not gonna make another Thomas Harris movie Right they're all different books so maybe He didn't own the rights to just Silence of the Lambs I don't know but then Dino Dillerantis was sort of just like

[00:03:51] Hey you want to take my advice Don't make a Hannibal Lecter movie It always loses money He owned And then they made Silence of the Lambs I think it's just that he may have just Owned Red Dragon Weird I don't know though Because didn't he produce Hannibal

[00:04:07] That like Hannibal Hannibal is for sure Hannibal is terrible right Yeah he did It is terrible Well that's the thing I was talking about Ogrifin One that it's crazy that it's a franchise in Hollywood That there's a psychiatrist who eats people Right

[00:04:20] And he's like kind of a middle aged gentleman Right Two it's insane that the guy who's most iconic for it Hopkins Only is in one good movie And the other good things are not Hopkins And people like those too

[00:04:34] Well I think Anthony Hopkins is a pretty good actor He's a good actor He's done other good movies He's only been in one good movie No I'm saying his other One good Hannibal movie Oh okay His other lectors are bad Like no one's like I love Red Dragon

[00:04:47] Ratner really knocked it out of the park Like people are like oh it's okay I've met people who think that That's insane But people who are like That's his good movie don't you know I'm like no it isn't Is it Ratner's good movie You can make that argument

[00:04:58] He didn't fuck it up Sure it's okay That was that run where Ratner was like What if I was classy And everyone's like You don't have to even try When are you guys doing Ratner on the show Oh boy You know I mean You pitched him Right

[00:05:12] And he is the definitive opposite of our show Because he never really got a blank check He was a total journeyman guy Who his studio would be like Come in and only do an adequate job And if you push back with us at all Fuck you

[00:05:25] Yeah and you know what's interesting actually And Ratner was like I'm not pushing back baby This sounds great He did have a couple blank check projects That never get me Oh really Like his totally ill advised Hugh Haffner biopic That he wants to make forever and ever now

[00:05:38] I'm sure that would go He should make that now He should make that now That would kill Ocean's Eleven was supposed to be his blank check He developed Ocean's Eleven Right And then he dropped out to do Superman And then got fired off as Superman Right

[00:05:53] But he like always had this resentment That Soderbergh got to take it to the finish line He was like I wanted to do Downey Jr. Hugh Haffner Which would have been a nightmare movie Yep You know what his best thing is Brett Ratner? Yeah Rush R1

[00:06:12] The prison break pilot That's the best thing he's ever directed Really? Yeah I love that pilot It's such a good pilot He's one of those guys where it's like You guys can weigh in on Brett Ratner's best work I mean I know how you're in front of me

[00:06:24] I mean it would have to be I didn't hate Red Dragon So I guess it does have to be that I'm kind of leaning that way too Cause Brett Ratner just doesn't make the movies I like But now Mick G. Guys Oh That is a blank check candidate

[00:06:37] If I ever heard of one We could do Mick G. We could do Mick G. I think it would be boring And the drop off recently It's like he did that like Netflix The Netflix Bella Thorne movie Oh man What's it called? It's called The Babysitter The Babysitter

[00:06:50] Right and he did the Hailey Steinfeld The Cos movie Uh the Hailey... Oh three days to kill Correct Not good It's not good Yeah This means war Not so good But they both have that thing I just got that you were talking about Kevin Costner

[00:07:06] Trying to take it back Trying to take it back I'm trying to rebrand it I think someone in the world should be called The Cos And Kevin Costner still rules You know what the best thing No you know what he didn't direct the OC pilot

[00:07:16] He just developed the OC I was about to say Mick G's best thing is the OC pilot The Doug Lyman Direct Didn't he do Fastlane? Yes that was a Mick G He does a lot of TV He did like the lethal weapon remake That has lost every actor

[00:07:29] Like everyone keeps quitting And they're like we're going to keep making this For some reason Yeah Right? Yes no all facts I do love that like the Mick G Ratner parallel thing where they're like Okay but seriously I'm a serious director Like they both went through those phases

[00:07:47] Where they were doing all this press Where they're like I know it's easy to dunk on me And I'm a music video guy And I'm kind of a greasy goofball And I call myself Mick G Right But do you remember when he was doing like Terminator Salvation Press

[00:08:00] And he was like look James Cameron Wasn't James Cameron when he made Piranha Like and I'm saying I don't want jinx it but I feel like this is going to be my Terminator And they were like Terminator Salvation Is your Terminator? It is your Terminator

[00:08:13] I mean that's what it is Your Terminator Right and he did We Are Marshall That was him trying to be serious Right Which the whole thing with that movie Is that he hates planes He refuses to fly So he made it because he was like

[00:08:27] This is the movie that reaffirms my belief That planes are evil It's the one thing I fully Kill an entire football team You could do it back to back with Lars von Schruer now right There's no plane guy Yeah Just no plane podcast Plane check

[00:08:41] Mick G was hired to do Superman When Ratner got fired Had a green light And they said but you have to film in Australia And he quit the movie I total respect As someone who is a major, I hate planes I'm not a fan of him either

[00:08:57] I do remember something about Like right when he was I think it was Charlie's Angels He was doing press for that And somebody actually asked him Is it Mick G or MCG And he got really angry He's like fuck you It's clearly Mick G

[00:09:11] Yeah it's Mick G because people were Confusing with MC Ganey Right He just like got like the sweats And you could tell he was kind of pissed off by it But he was like it's Mick G I wish his name was MCG I think I'd have more respect

[00:09:25] If he was a director named MCG I just remember he like When he was doing the Terminator press once again He was like you know I make one mistake in my life I register with the DGA as Mick G And I'll never live it down

[00:09:39] You choose the show Yes this of course is plain check It's a podcast about directors who are Afraid to board a commercial airline No it's not I'm goofing You're goofing I'm a goofing spoofing It's a podcast about filmographies Directors who have massive success early on in their career

[00:09:57] Give a series of blank checks to make whatever Crazy passion projects they want And sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby And then sometimes someone just Doesn't make a movie for seven years Yeah Seven years Yes a full seven Wow

[00:10:14] And then comes back and is like cool I'm only doing 100 million dollar movies now Right right even though I've never made a hit Right Yeah but I did make I guess What's it called Miami Vice Right right but he's a weird guy I mean it's like James Albrooks

[00:10:30] On this podcast Who's another guy who got his check From doing TV But it was like he had to really fight From going from TV to film And then it was like no return And Man makes three movies and he's like

[00:10:44] Alright let me go back and make some more TV Yeah I'm gonna make crime story Right I'm all in on Farina Farina is my guy Who wouldn't be so fucking ugly That this is you should explain I told this of course our guest today

[00:10:58] Eric and Chris from We Hate Movies We've completed the collection Hello Yes now we are owned by Blankcheck You are Unfortunately how it works We don't tell anyone Leverage buyout We're gonna be under the desk For the remainder of at least Michael Man You're the fatalist

[00:11:14] I'm looking for a good shelf I'm hoping a good shelf for me I think top shelf for you Yeah I'm gonna compliment you today Chris Thank you Don't do it often on our show We're gonna make We Hate Movies Our sort of black label You know

[00:11:27] Our luxury brand Go on I can't go any further Okay fine I thought you had more You're good at the like steelbook talk Like all this sort of like variant edition talk Black series Black series But What was it that oh no signature right

[00:11:43] Isn't that that's the new Signatures That's the new Disney Right Because they went through all the The medals are out Bull platinum And then they went to Diamond Right So now we're back to just like ink on paper It's just Walt's signature

[00:11:57] And they'll be like it's the Lion King Signature edition And like after he was 30 years dead That's signature They made a movie about lions What are you talking about Lions don't talk Why does Walt Disney talk like this They took his frozen hand out of the cryo chamber

[00:12:12] And then just had it sign Is it his whole body Or is it just his head I think there's been conflicting reports I thought it was the head I think the popular belief is just the head I hope it's Like a terminated arm Just the body

[00:12:25] That'd be great Get that head out of you And then Michael Eisner's deal was like You add my head when I die We create a Disney CEO Frankenstein Walt Disney famously rockin' bod My guy was caught The man was our thinspiration Oh boy

[00:12:46] Has anyone ever suggested before that maybe Walt was Zaddy Is that, I mean can I propose that perhaps As someone who barely knows what Zaddy is Sure Murder me Walt Yeah murder me Walt Disney push me Alright I like push me I like how innocuous It's Becca Bullness

[00:13:06] Yes Like just blank name push me Because Nicholas Holt pushes Emma Stone Right Which is certainly very hot It is, it's pretty hot It's very hot It's a good push Is there a difference between Zaddy and Daddy Or is it just more intense

[00:13:21] It's just this thing where like the second The lame people on the internet start co-opting The cool lingo Right, it has to be We have to pervert this further Change like three words and make it oblique So that people can't use it for another four months Right

[00:13:33] Like we gotta stay ahead of them somehow And if it's on blank check That means it's time to change it again I would say like someone just heard That we used the word Zaddy And they're like alright Alright wrap it up We're gonna find some new words

[00:13:43] With that I wanna make an official announcement That I've been holding on to for a little while Uh huh I'm officially adding onfleek to my blank check repertoire It's just gotten rotten enough That's I wait for like Putrid rot That's actually a good idea

[00:13:57] That's like five years old I wait for that point Right Language is cyclical That's why most people speak old English And onfleek was an experiment for me of like How long can I age this whiskey in the barrel Well now you're gonna see like Twitter

[00:14:09] It's gonna be on-zleek or something like that Right, yeah, sure Right and I will wait five years To start using that The second of thing has like You let a ferment on the shelf You go to the top shelf You pull down onfleek

[00:14:21] And what is other youthful expressions Of a bygone era Cool people use it Then journalism Twitter uses it Then like parents in comedy People start using it ironically Then people start ironically using People using it ironically Then I wait five months Then you're in Then I use it

[00:14:39] And you become a new cool person Yes To then kick it all off Right, that's my movement It's the new cool What's our mini series called? I'm sorry that I keep being a B-Dual You know I'm not into new cool I'm more of a cool Coca-Cola guy Yeah

[00:14:55] New classic New Zool What? New Zool We got A-Z onto it We'll see Ghostbusters 3 I was about to say Is that like billard than Zool Like talking to the ghostbusters He's like New Zool I don't know Right, alright Thank you Thank you New Zool

[00:15:17] If you're gonna have a flat top You better be wearing a onesie With weird sculptural bubbles all over it Good Good New Zool If you got two dog sculptures You better make them come to life Keep going Whatever

[00:15:36] I don't know what else could I do with New Zool You can introduce the podcast mini series The podcast mini series is called The Cast of the Mohicans No, the cast of the Podheakins It's called Cast of the Podheakins It's the only name we could think of

[00:15:50] He's got a lot of very short titles You didn't think of the Podsider? I mean we like to have cast We like to have both of the man's hair Maybe we should drop that I don't know It's fun that we keep doing it It's very laborious

[00:16:04] It's fun that we THE keep doing it Yeah, the keyboard game arrived today Very slender volume I like that It's a nice tight little box You know how board games these days Are these like giant boxes These kids in their board games Like a sleek slender board game

[00:16:19] Well that's going to come back in style soon enough Right? The sleek ones Right, I think it's going to come back On sleek That was a photo fan That was right These board zams are on sleek These board zams I'm a zamer Are you guys zamers?

[00:16:35] I don't know what you're talking about I don't know exactly what I'm talking about We now have acquired both the keyboard game And the keep Dungeons and Dragons role-playing book Right, and we're wondering what our next steps are going to be But there will be next steps

[00:16:48] There will be next steps Probably rent out Massen Square Garden See if we can fill it Not the Hulu Theater With what? Fuck that With, you know, our list Garbage Fish heads Pack snow I don't know Some tightly packed snow Yeah, exactly Godzilla eggs They're in there Yeah

[00:17:11] They're somewhere That's an event I really wish I was at Godzilla? Yes, I wish I was in Godzilla Specifically 98 Have you guys read about the Godzilla Massen Square Garden premiere That was apparently like the best premiere of all time They never walked out of it

[00:17:28] And they were like, it's the best blockbuster of the last 20 years That's like the height of Hollywood's gilded age Where they're like, we're going to make movies like this forever They'll never blow up in our faces Right And it was like jam-packed Massen Square Garden Playing Godzilla

[00:17:42] That is quite a place to premiere a movie That's crazy And the third act is like them breaking into Massen Square Garden Going through the eggs and the audience was cheering And they had like giant fucking 15 foot inflatable beach balls

[00:17:55] And they were like, it was like Coachella for Godzilla And everyone came out of it and was like They've done it It's not since Spielberg And everyone was like, what's this piece of shit Broderick's your lead? A bunch of critics had to be like I saw it again

[00:18:12] Right I redacted my previous review Look, they were Godzilla beach balls What did you want me to do? Yeah I was reviewing the experience People were cheering Wow, The New York Times has an article Oh no, the LA Times Yeah

[00:18:24] It was like a huge, it was like the peak Hollywood movie premiere 13,000 people went to this premiere Yeah They all loved it In this movie, this was the one that had the mayor, Ebert So they're like, they're shit-down critics Yeah, Cisco and Ebert And he's Aid

[00:18:42] Yeah, it's Michael Lerner plays Ebert And he can't stop eating M&M's It is the most basic fat guy, evil critic joke And when Cisco quits, he goes like I'd give you two thumbs down And Ebert reviewed it He was like, I thought that was kind of funny

[00:18:58] Like he was not affected by it The best evil critic joke was in They Live The John Carpenter film where they have Ebert And Cisco as aliens in the TV Oh yes, that's a nice little... That's enough, you don't need to name a character after it

[00:19:13] I also think the nicer one is like Leonard Malton slams Gremlins And Joe Dante's like, cool, I wrote an under five for you You're playing Gleander Malton and you get eaten by Gremlins But he like let him do it He's like, suck me up It's light-hearted Manhunter

[00:19:30] We're talking about the film, The Magister A film very similar to Gremlins too Yeah, I think so Or is Red Dragon... This is the first lecture movie It's not a sequel Did you guys watch the show? Panabole? I did not It's the best show It's great

[00:19:47] I feel like the show kind of does the story better maybe It drags him better, I disagree Does this specific story better? I don't know It does a very weird twist Because it clearly isn't the same thing But I actually... They're just two different beasts to me

[00:20:05] Yeah, but I like that you get to see Hannibal with Will Well, but that's the thing They had two seasons And then in the third season they did Red Dragon Right And it was Richard Armitage And it's not even the full season It's like half of a season

[00:20:21] Second half of the third season And it's like Hannibal with the color Maybe it was just at that point when he shows up And he's gotten a dragon tattooed on him And he's got a cleft palate And you're like, I've seen this It's okay

[00:20:39] It is weird that there are specifically three adaptations of Red Dragon Which on its own... A book in which Hannibal is a peripheral character Right And it's not like the book is such a fucking... A good book But it's not like one of the canonical crime texts

[00:20:55] I would say it is one of the canonical crime texts You really think so? It kind of invented the idea of a profiler as a... It was one of those first big airport novels I remember when I was a kid My parents read the shit of it

[00:21:09] And then when I was old enough I was like, oh I'm gonna watch this David Foster Wallace is like... Before he died was very much like Thomas Harris Is the greatest American novelist alive I think that's a cool take

[00:21:19] And the sounds of the lambs are like two of my favorite books It also feels like... And correct me if I'm wrong But this feels like... Oh, he was one of the first guys to deal with how fucking upset and crime is Exactly

[00:21:31] And like the actual sort of like... That's his whole thing Before then everyone was like, crime's great! I think you're right No, but the grotesquery The emotional tax of... Crime horror maybe is what I would say You know? Like I'm sticking you up, you see You know?

[00:21:49] Would be funny if Hannibal said that And I feel like serial killer movies were more just like... Did they exist? I guess how... There was a little of that but it was still pretty new And there's shit like Dirty Harry where it's like he's like trying to...

[00:22:02] Sure the Zodiac Right, but this is a movie where it's like What the fuck is this guy doing? Like where they're just like casually a minute fifteen They're like, so is he fucking the bodies or not? You know, that feels like

[00:22:13] I have to imagine kind of New Frontier in 1985 Like professionals have to deal with these people Right And it's like a whole job Like within the FBI Like there are people who are like, yeah I have to figure out why the crazy people behave that way

[00:22:26] Okay so to zoom out and talk about the weirdness of the Hannibal franchise The thread I started forty five minutes ago on this podcast It's weird that these two Both get the thing of Oh the most disturbing upsetting thing you can do By these two I mean

[00:22:40] Manhunter and Sounds of the Lambs The first two adaptations of Thomas Harris Are like the most upsetting thing you can do Is make this feel really banal Like not shoot this like a horror movie Not like gussy it up

[00:22:53] And just have like people in like shitty fucking fluorescent lit Offices Talking about these horrible fucking acts In like suits and ties Right, right, like oh fuck These people just have to live in this on a day to day basis And

[00:23:10] Well Gram and this is this amazing performance of just like A guy who's just finally breaking from having to live in this world And think about the shit too Right, right He's broken Right he is broken Right and yeah

[00:23:23] Right and then the rest of the movies after this Including like when Ratner wants to do his fucking like Watch me I can make a serious movie They become like very sort of like ominous and dark And they're like gothic and graphic Right

[00:23:38] And then Hannibal goes in its own direction Hannibal is like it's just psychedelic Right like it's like let's take it all the way this should be like porn Like but in a great way I don't know you like I mean that's

[00:23:49] I will say about what Ben was talking about Like I feel like the last season of Hannibal did something good where It visually was much more like visceral Like you got that rush of what those kind of people must feel In those moments

[00:24:03] Where as this they are like a little bit more distance I mean that's my man thing Yeah The like red dragon element That's in the show is just so much more explored And it's like I love What's the poets William Blake

[00:24:17] What is the deal with killers and William Blake right The salinger thing Like it's weird that like certain writers just seem to activate people Without their work being like violent Yeah William Blake though is just a freak Right He's just a straight up freak

[00:24:34] Especially for the time right Any time in 500 years He was such a weird man He went freak He made his own illustrations He wrote all this poetry he did it all on his own He was on fleek He was on fleek free

[00:24:48] William Blake I mean he was Zaddy He was Zaddy William Blake was one of the original Zaddy He was a Zaddy but I mean the red dragon portraits I think they were like commissioned or something so Yeah well he was

[00:24:59] Blake is one of those guys who like did all this shit died And then afterwards people were like Do you know that he did all this shit Like no one knew who he was when he was alive He was just a maniac He died like 300 years ago

[00:25:08] Oh it's just like Vincent Van Gogh Why aren't people killing in the name of Vincent Van Gogh That would be Like how they did like an Edgar Allen post serial killer thing They should do a Vincent Van Gogh Exactly It's really good

[00:25:19] Where it's like someone's in a field of sunflowers Yes And the guys like No a Pollock one Everyone's all drippy That's Pollock Every murder is just the expulsion of bodily fluidity I got one here and only because we're recording this in advance

[00:25:34] Do I feel comfortable saying this on the mic Because I will have already sold this to Disney Plus By the time this episode comes out Picasso murders Yes the Picasso murders He rearranged Oh I love it Jigsaw is you up Yeah Cubist And he takes different bodies

[00:25:49] We can't ID this one It's one guy's teeth Another guy's eyes But they're in the butt Look at where this guy's arm is You don't believe it This guy's arm It's kind of like the Joker of painters It kind of is like the Joker of painters

[00:26:01] I've been doing a lot of Guess on other people's podcasts Recently And I went on your guys show And that was like early in this run of doing it And I realized I don't think there was one of them where the Joker didn't come up

[00:26:15] And it wasn't me forcing it No no not at all I mean the Joker is just ever present in society these days Ever present It would come up in one way or another Every single podcast I've done And then would you ride into the ground

[00:26:27] Oh you kidding me you gotta The Joker Yeah that's what the Joker would do Exactly He's the Clem Prince crime You were on our episode on Pet Cemetery The 1989 version And it was the Joker of episodes It was it was very funny

[00:26:39] Someone is going to 100% make this movie As a Joker movie sometime Like that's going to happen 20 years from now We're doing a Batman movie where he's like We're really doing the detective thing And Joker's going to be in jail And he's going to have to talk to Joker

[00:26:53] To figure out what's going on with You know Hush or who Name a Batman villain who's the serial killer I was going to say it was Mr. Zazz I was going to say it would just be Gordon without Batman But then that's also like that's what Gotham was

[00:27:07] Gotham the show Right Yes it does feel like that will Someone will have that pitch Every 10 years I'm ready for Bye Bye Birdie with Joker That's the one I want I want a musical of that Some young girls can't get enough of that Joker Love that Joker

[00:27:23] We should've didn't care A Joker musical Is doable That's not a bad idea It's coming already I mean he wears suits Here's what I think the musical should be But he's kind of funny too We have his mentions We have Prince of Musicals He's pretty funny

[00:27:39] Here's a pitch that I actually Like actually is probably worth 20 million dollars The musical is Joker taking over someone else's musical Oh sure So the marquee is like Kiss me Kate and then it's like scribbled out And it's like ha ha ha Joker musical

[00:27:54] And you go and it's like a set Like proper And then the Joker comes in and just like Fucking chaos And it's meta And like the performers are playing They're playing this performance But they're playing themselves As the actors playing that performance

[00:28:08] He's holding the company of a Broadway musical hostage To act out his musical It's like a staged reading I can't believe you're a billionaire After selling all these pitches Right God damn it And it was put on by Wayne Enterprises It's put on by Wayne Enterprises That's why

[00:28:23] That's why he did it Exactly That's the way he acts as the entire audience Yes Right Not a lot of repeat customers No I just imagine Warner Brothers Hearing that and being like We can't make this right now Because I don't know if you know this

[00:28:35] But we have a Joker movie We are going to pay you just in case Because you know We never know We might need another Joker movie next year Yeah We do have We have Joker on ice That's even too twist Alright I'm gonna No more Joker talk

[00:28:48] So this movie 1985 Sansa Lam's is 90 or 91 91 isn't it? Yeah 91 At that point you're just like Well this is like someone else adapting Another one of this author's works Right And his books are connected It could have just felt like Fucking out of sight

[00:29:06] And Jackie Brown both having Ray Nicolette Except as two different actors in this case Sure Like they're not, you know Movies that are linked Right And then everyone's like Oh fuck Hannibal's a franchise For 11 years everyone's like Or 10 years they're like

[00:29:20] They're never gonna get Anthony Hopkins to come back Is Thomas Harrison ever gonna write another thing? It's one of the great unmade sequels Which you and I were talking about this last night It's crazy that people were like Oh fuck it's the one we've all been waiting for

[00:29:31] And you're like You watch Sansa Lam's now and you're like People wanted another one of them It doesn't need a sequel It's just a good joke at the end Right It does the thing I think The horror movie thing Like cause you watch Sansa Lam's

[00:29:45] You watch Sansa Lam's It's not really a whole, I mean like There's horror elements But that's what I think about with that movie It's a crime thriller horror sort of Right But it took that thing of like Halloween

[00:29:55] And all those where the villain is what keeps the thing going Right and then they just made him like this like Larger than life boogeyman Like this like shadow over humanity And then they finally get him on and he does Two fuck it Two sequels rapidly

[00:30:08] Within like three years One which is super violent One which is kind of like Going for a way classier vibe Right like Hannibal is just like The grossest shit in the world Right Red dragon is like No, no, no, wait a second Like he's also classy It is

[00:30:23] It is crazy Lots of big actors I have not seen Red Dragon I mean Red Dragon has such an all-star cast I have not seen Red Dragon But I was You haven't seen it No I was looking it up last night

[00:30:32] Cause I was like trying to remember who played what part It is crazy how stacked that cast is It's so stacked And you just wonder what all those people felt like Being directed by Red Ratner Right No I mean film Seymour Hoffman is Freddie Lowns in that movie

[00:30:46] Yeah Which is what Yeah 5 minute part Yeah Mary Louise Parker is The blind The wife Right Who's the blind lady It's Emily Watson Emily Watson Right yeah But you know Fiennes is good Fiennes is the thing that's really good about Red Dragon

[00:31:02] I love Tom Noonan and I love him in Manhunter Yeah It's a very specific and very cool performance And I think there's even more William Blake talk In Red Dragon Well the Red Dragon is heavy on the William Blake He eats the painting

[00:31:15] Which is something he does in the book He goes to the Brooklyn Museum which is where it is Yeah Gets it out of the archive and eats it Well we could do that today right We could do that 100% That's Patreon content

[00:31:26] So does Red Dragon have more Hannibal in it Or do they just Yes it shoe horns Hannibal in whatever it can It also shows you Hannibal attacking Will Graham Okay You know to try and get a little more of that in there

[00:31:38] That's the I think that's what happens at the very beginning That's the prologue It's where Will Graham's like I just wanted to meet with you because you're a psychiatrist And Hannibal's like yes of course Like let's come into my office

[00:31:48] So like more screen time than Silent Slam's less than Hannibal Yeah He's like a co-lead Yeah I mean there's the lead Right I mean Hannibal it's just all him Hannibal is all him Julianne Moore I mean she's doing her best

[00:32:02] But I don't think they really knew what to do with the character And they're like I don't know Do people want to see them get together The thing is he ate their liver He ate their liver With fava beans And a nice can And a nice can

[00:32:14] He's like being an old friend for dinner Yeah he eats people He eats people He eats people It's a good bit Have I ever told you Pinnonsberry I love the way they show him preparing the victims on the TV show Oh yeah Of course

[00:32:30] I mean that's the one thing that they really missed Network should take notes Yes exactly A lot of cuts all slow motions I love all that stuff Right Well there's one Hannibal property I don't think we've mentioned yet at all And I've never seen it

[00:32:41] And I'd be surprised if anyone has Hannibal rising Yes You guys see it? You see it? No It's like a young Like sexy coming of age Young buck Hannibal A French dream boat Gaspar Uell who is mostly now known for doing like Do your ads

[00:32:58] Sure he's an actor though He does like Yeah but I'm saying in terms of visibility He's a hottie He's a super hottie He does a lot of like Chanel ads I think he played Yves Saint Laurent In the biopic of Saint Laurent

[00:33:11] Right he was in very long engagement The Genet film which is sort of his breakout thing But it was very odd that they were like And now finally we found the person To take the mantle from Anthony Hopkins This fucking guy you've never heard of

[00:33:23] Yeah French print model Right and it's going to be directed by who? Who directed Hannibal Rising? No but it has no credit to Jeff No no Peter Weber That was the wrong take They should have done old Hannibal Yeah Well the other insane thing Is it a wheelchair?

[00:33:40] It could still do that If Anthony Hopkins is alive Yeah I wanna see He's like let me at you So he just sort of walks away from it They need to blend the bodies up And feed it to him like baby And you're telling me this is liver

[00:33:54] And they're like yeah sure it's liver I wanna see like the unforgiven Like Dark Knight returns Hannibal always like I'm coming out of retirement for one last meal I gotta eat one more person Hopkins could do it He's still He'll dial in if he wants to

[00:34:12] He seems like he's having fun on Twitter And that's it I think that's all he wants to do His Twitter account is fucking bananas This is him and Sam Neill Just having the time of their lives on Twitter Just being like hello chaps How you doing?

[00:34:24] I'm here looking at the window See you later You know it's like a lot of that That's his day I know right is that He like plays the piano He listens to jazz music And like wilds out God Gives like a happy birthday announcement

[00:34:36] To somebody you've never heard of We were talking about this last night But Hannibal Rising That is what's called Hannibal Rising My local bagel place in high school I remember I was buying my daily bagel for lunch And the woman just said to me

[00:34:55] Like you see Hannibal Rising She said it to you Yeah and she wasn't like a small talk person Was she very old? Cause maybe she was talking about the original Hannibal Have you seen him rising over the Alps? Did you see the elephant? Did you see it?

[00:35:09] It's humongous She was wearing Centurion armor You know who the villain in Hannibal Rising is? It's not Carthage, it's Rome right? Oh wait wrong one Sorry Gong Li, isn't it Gong Li? Gong Li? Yeah yeah She teaches him I don't know if she's a...

[00:35:25] Maybe she's not the villain She's like Hannibal... Did you see it? Yeah I saw it You saw it I thought earlier No one had seen it No I had seen it I was just guessing that you were the only person who had seen it Okay alright

[00:35:36] But I was gonna say is that movie... Well she said have you seen it? I said no and she went It's pretty good And then she sort of like leaned in And she was like They explained where he gets the mask from Wait what?

[00:35:47] I mean isn't that just... As we were saying last time He's a bitey guy Yeah That's where he gets the mask Cause he's in prison And he's a biter But now He gets it in high school now? Hannibal Rising they're like His father had a mass collection

[00:36:02] And he starts wearing the mask when he's like attacking people It's too much So that's why later in life he wore the mask It's like no because he was... He takes it off to people Anyway I was kinda hoping Hannibal Rising

[00:36:17] That they were gonna do something more like Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse Where he tries on the different masks I'll do it this way this time This way this time I don't like Chardonnay Do you have anything else on the menu? Anything red?

[00:36:31] He puts on a mask and it's smoking? I just love that they treat that Like fucking Bruce Wayne Like being scared of the bads It's all they had They had cast a French supermodel Like they needed to put the mask on him

[00:36:45] But it's also like he is predominantly a prey boy He's not some... And he's from the director of Girl with a Pearl Earring So fucking weird It was his follow up to Girl with a Pearl Earring Yeah They saw Girl with a Pearl Earring And they were like

[00:36:58] This guy gets Hannibal He'll do it Is Hannibal also a franchise where every one of the movies is a different studio? Well Hannibal Rising was... Let's find out Weinstein The Weinstein Company Right? Eeeeeeeeh Red Dragon Universal He's beating me to it He knows the fucking studio

[00:37:17] Was Hannibal universal or was that... I feel like that was... Paramount? It sounds like Paramount Feels like a... We're just saying names of places M and GM Ooh Because they had acquired Orion Which did silence Silence is Orion And of course Man Hunter

[00:37:33] The film we're here to discuss Yes Was DEG Was the Delorentis script Right They released it themselves Right so they're all different studios All different studios I was talking about Hellboy Three movies, three studios Yeah They just They like ball it up and they're like You try

[00:37:48] Is there any other example of that? And it's like this is the other one Hannibal Yeah wow Hannibal and Hellboy Hannibal We gotta get these two together We gotta Hellboy I didn't imagine they'd get up to They would get up to some shit Or Hellboy on like the

[00:38:01] On the trail of Hannibal Maybe Right something like that Yeah I'm surprised they haven't like started doing Like Hannibal mashup comics Like Hannibal vs Predator or whatever Yeah I would totally buy that Of course Right Cause they're all those like Bubba Hotep Versus Army of Darkness Versus Chuckie

[00:38:22] Fuck off We should do these franchise mashups I've been saying this for a while But not in the ready player one sense But in just like You just have Hannibal and A clean two And the Joker hanging out or whatever I mean Hannibal does seem like

[00:38:34] Somebody who would be like Hunting for a magic pyramid That turns him into a god with the Illuminati See So like There we go Love it, Laura Croft could chase him down Batman would do it Just a nice clean pitch like that How obvious

[00:38:48] There's this pyramid in the studio It's like 80 million It's magic That's the thing It's one of the classic stories That we pass down from generations to generations How about this Old Hannibal We're gonna bring it all back together Old Hannibal is looking for the Found of Youth

[00:39:03] Like Ponsdillon And then he comes out Present day as French model Hannibal rides What if there's like Lightning strikes the pool So you get all the Hannibals together So you get Yes, yes, it's like The Doctor Who's where the Doctors meet each other You got Cox, Hoskins, Zuleo

[00:39:19] Terminator 2 And Mickelson When they're melting T1000 And you see all the different people He was You get to see all the different Hannibals And then you have a different mask Yes They open a restaurant together We have to talk about Manhunter But it just is crazy

[00:39:33] That they did a TV show Everyone knows Hopkins Everyone likes Hopkins This guy does The opposite Like a performance It's just nothing like that And it's about as different As you could go in terms of casting And people Right, exactly People are not only like We love this

[00:39:48] But they're like I'm horny for it I want him to kiss Henry Cavill He was kind of a hot Hannibal Who Fucks He's hot Hannibal Who Fucks But then also is like I'll make a cello out of a man's vocal chords And you're like, he What?

[00:40:01] This is network? Like, yeah I'm not going to tell you how many conversations I've had with my wife Where she's like I would fuck Hannibal He's hot I'm like a TV Hannibal He's hot He's really hot He's classy He does not like people who are garish

[00:40:15] Like usually his motive for murder Is that someone was rude You get his rules You like his rules He's a rule He's certainly a rules guy David loves rules He's also an exquisite chef I'm sorry David gets a good chef And he's a good chef Yeah, he's

[00:40:30] And you know Jack Crawford's always like What is it tonight? And Hannibal's like A spleen A cow spleen And he's like Always have the most You know, delicious variety Like, I could never predict you And he's like A little A little human chicken livers Chicken livers

[00:40:46] Is what we're having Very big chicken, I guess The entire roasted human bee That's just a chicken What if he did that? Yeah, he's literally just a man And he's like Yeah, this is ve-veal Yeah, it's definitely veal That's what this is Just on a rotisserie

[00:41:04] It's Italian veal It's different over there You just don't know it Jack Crawford's like Oh, what a gourmet he is I don't know this fancy European cooking Yeah, that's just a paprika I just put some paprika on it The other thing that it nails

[00:41:19] Which Hopkins and Cox nail too Is like That you get that like Hannibal got away with it By being so classy They were like Hannibal couldn't be murdering people Cox is so good in this movie Yes he is Like, I know that's the hot can shearing take

[00:41:32] Is like actually He's even better than Hopkins And Hopkins is just at this level Where it's just like Kind of an inarguable like Force of a character He almost breaks through the movie Whereas Cox is very much in the movie He's blending with the whole thing

[00:41:46] He almost breaks through I thought it was like Last action hero Is it come out in bite? Speaking of last action hero Tom Newton Is fucking fantastic in that too I love that movie so Tom Newton had like Quite an incredible like seven year run there

[00:42:00] He is a weird career Right, but you go like Manhunter playing Frankenstein In the monster squad The Ripper Is that his character name? Yeah, the Ripper But it's like Look at him You know like He's incredible It's limited what you can do with that guy

[00:42:15] Have you guys ever seen It was like as part of the EPK But it's on like the Blu-ray or whatever Of monster squad That he did a full interview In character as Frankenstein Really? Yeah, there's like 20 minutes of EPK Of Tom Newton answering press questions

[00:42:33] As Frankenstein in the full get up I was looking for someone to watch on YouTube On the way back So there we go It's just No one is like an articulate Frankenstein But he's responding as if he is the character And everyone's just like Frankenstein couldn't do it

[00:42:46] He's so articulate Yeah Well, he started Too classy He started with big directors His first movie is a Paul Mazurski movie And then it's like Just barreled from there I think he almost always used Worked with big directors That's true Strangely from the beginning

[00:43:01] That's really weird to have that kind of career He's in Gloria Yeah Yeah, he's in some very Queasy and easy money I forget which role it was Maybe it was last action hero But they asked him to shave off his eyebrows And he was like

[00:43:14] Yeah, they just never grew back Cool Worth it Totally worth it I remember him saying that I never looked scary before Right It was like an AV club Like random roles And they were like Oh, so you must regret that And he's like

[00:43:28] No, it's fine, I wear glasses I was like Only Tom Newton is that casual About looking like a monster That's great A weird eyebrow-less monster He's so good in the house of the devil He's so scary Yeah And his other Right, Anomalyza He's fucking unbelievable Yeah

[00:43:42] He doesn't do a lot though No, no He looks pretty selective these days Although he did like A bunch of episodes of 12 Monkeys Like the TV show Really? Like that's the weird thing Isn't he on your favorite show Hell on Wheels Oh my lord, yes He's reverent Really?

[00:43:56] Yes And he's quite a character I know nothing about the show He's good at He better be playing quite the character If he's gonna be on the TV show Most of it's like He's a pacifist Like preacher And then eventually He does succumb to violence Hell yeah

[00:44:09] But then it's kind of the end for him He doesn't last as long As our Bo-Hannon I'm a sentitular Because I call the show Bo-Hannon So he's on Hell on Wheels Is that Anson Mount? Yes A guy who I never Thought about for one second

[00:44:24] And then he was on Star Trek And I fell in love with him Like full Oh really? Listen, you love him Seriously I should check out Hell on Wheels The first season I think is a little patchy And then they course correct

[00:44:35] But then it also goes off the rails Because it's also bad In a lot of parts Great Great pitch It starts bad It gets a little better And then is often bad Yes You should check it out It's fun It's on Netflix now You have tons of time

[00:44:49] Because there are no other TV shows Exactly He also played someone called The Stoomaker On the Blacklist Which I want to know What that means I'm looking at his list right now I mean the other one I forgot is RoboCop 2 Sure But he has that run

[00:45:01] Of like an FX He was great in RoboCop 2 by the way He's the best part of RoboCop 2 Yeah, he's king Yeah What is the titular You don't remember that? Second RoboCop Heaven's Gate Like what a weird fucking career Weird Yeah

[00:45:17] And he says he got the part in Manhunter Because during his audition The actress he was alongside got scared And he leaned into it And tried to like scare her more Yeah, I mean the thing He like got more frightening Rather than being like

[00:45:29] Oh I'm sorry is this too intense Like yeah Very scary in this Yes Like they're really sad Yes Like there's a bit of the Like the Jack Daryl Haley Little children thing Which Fines doesn't get Right everyone else just goes full creative Fines is very scary

[00:45:41] But he's not particularly like Yeah this is like human Victim of society Right Right Fines is also too handsome Like he's a handsome guy Even though he can play scary Like and he's got the sort of You know like the sort of weird Vibe in the Clef palette

[00:45:52] Like he's And then Armatage They make even like hotter Armatage is pretty hot Yeah Armatage is very hot Right That scene The tiger scene in the show Yeah And like I love this one Just because Joan Allen is incredible In that scene Yeah But like the TV version

[00:46:07] Like there's those red drapes In the back Like holy Okay they really went for it I guess So red drapes Red drapes Red drapes I put them in everything So Red Dragon comes out 81 Red drapes comes out The book The book Which is Thomas Harris'

[00:46:22] I think second book Because he wrote Black Sunday That book about Like a terrorist attack At the Super Bowl Right That got turned into a movie Yes Maybe Citter Clubs Right didn't he Yeah He wrote a lot of Sesame Street Board books There's a monster in this book

[00:46:39] Right As I think I told you A quote that I love That Stephen King says That like Harris is like A really nice guy He's a great chef Which is interesting He's like big And kind of garrulous And fun But writing to him

[00:46:55] Is like writhing on the floor In agony's of frustration The very act of writing Is a torment to him Right He's one of those guys who's like I'd be happy never writing a book ever again And somehow hit the jackpot where He doesn't really have to

[00:47:07] Exactly once in a while The movie studio is like Can you just more Hannibal And he's like Okay but it will be disgusting Right Yeah like that's all that's inside And you said also You feel like every time he Agreed to do another Hannibal

[00:47:18] It was mostly so that They didn't let someone else do it Exactly Like he knew if he turned it down They'd be like Fine we're gonna farm this out Right Right But like is Like I'm happy just living off My Hannibal million Sure

[00:47:30] That was a weird feeling to be like He has also not given an interview since 1976 Which is amazing That's great How weird must it be To be like I never have to work again Because I wrote A snob who eats people That's my meal ticket Right

[00:47:42] That's my Mickey mouse I came up with this erudite cannibal Right That must be the best feeling in the world Yeah I think it's cool Right The relationship Yeah That he invented I think he invented That he invented That he invented That he invented Yeah That he invented

[00:47:59] I feel like Is a really cool idea I think that's what people respond to The Hannibal dynamic is the big thing I feel good It's so good That he's like this profiler Right Has been fucked up He's like a victim of this guy Right Is working with him

[00:48:12] Right Like I don't know It's a good pitch It's so good You have to talk to the monster In the cage It's a good pitch Definitely That's why Hannibal Rising is the least Interesting pitch Because the thing you want Is like Hannibal already in jail Yeah Of course

[00:48:26] I know you're the only person Who understands this Like the uneasy alliance of Hannibal Knowing that he's like the smartest Criminologist in the world Hannibal Rising we should have had Like we should have cut to like Will Graham In high school Totally Like a Victorian or something

[00:48:40] I guess he would be younger Maybe kindergarten Or Clarice Yeah You like lambs screaming Yeah Right You could have like five year old Clarice Just a five minute static shot Right You want Hannibal Rising to be About a foreign exchange program Yes Yes He's the first T-Sword

[00:48:56] He's the first T-Sword American Liberia Right He hears Leonard Skinner for the first time Loves it for some reason You know in Europe Hannibal might be Just be like yeah that's the killer Yeah Like yeah we could spot him But he's not classy there He's just regular

[00:49:10] Yes exactly But in America it's like oh wow He's got an accent He would never do anything But that's the thing about him is That as you say He's always played by a foreign actor Who's doing kind of an accent Right He's from Baltimore Right

[00:49:25] Like that's where he was in like Baltimore High Society Yeah But he's from Europe I guess Yes And in Manhunter And in the book in Red Dragon Red Dragon is about a criminal psychologist Who's trying to figure out what the Tooth Fairy is up to

[00:49:39] And then Hannibal is like this peripheral Character Who is his like lingering trauma Now does DeLarantis get the rights To the book because it's a hit And then Michael Mann comes on Or does Michael Mann seek this out And convince us DeLarantis to buy it Do you know

[00:49:53] That's the question Let me see if that's explained here One thing that's funny is That it was going to be called Red Dragon And DeLarantis was like Year of the Dragon just came out So we're going to call it Manhunter

[00:50:07] And Michael Mann was like I hate that title And he was like too bad And he was like and people think It's like a Bruce Lee movie Like no dragon Get that out of here I kind of love this title of Manhunter Because you almost think like

[00:50:19] You see the title that Green Fawn Comes on the screen You think it's like almost the killer But it's that duality of It's actually Will Graham I think it's a pretty clever title DeLarantis bought the rights And he wanted David Lynch to make it

[00:50:33] Because he had just worked with him on Dune An awful experience for both of them Yes, and maybe it was before Dune Was finished or had come out or whatever And Lynch read the story Or whatever and was like this is disgusting I have no interest

[00:50:47] Like no thank you Imagine if he did it all It would be like the food It would look like chili or something For Hannibal What would he do? This is Bob's big boy There'd be like breathing walls In the Tooth Fairy's home Or something like that

[00:51:03] Something like that would get It is fun to think any master Taking the Hannibal story You would do something completely different The two hiring meetings Do you think Lynch was more revolts By Red Dragon or Return of the Jedi He might have had a more violent reaction

[00:51:20] To Return of the Jedi Brian Cox also thought this movie Was the title was bland and cheesy No one likes the title Anyway, I don't know how man gets hired Man gets hired and he's like We're all going to meet with Chicago cops

[00:51:36] Which I feel like is man's pitch In every one of his early movies Great let's make this script I have a bunch of Chicago Like hoagie eating cops For me to meet At this point in his career He makes a real like fucking Like Chicago guy crime movie

[00:51:48] Right Which people love But it doesn't make a ton of money Then he makes a horror movie That's like a nightmare It gets ripped away from him He disowns So you have to imagine He's like I don't want to go back to TV Here I'm going to adapt

[00:52:00] Like an airport novel This is like pre-sold You know Not going to do Carl Hies And that's not exactly my tone So this is more my speed Right and this is a book That's popular that I can use For all of my obsessions

[00:52:12] Like this has all the stuff That he's interested in And then you watch this movie And it opens with a beach It opens with Dennis Farina And William Peterson Oh no the other thing I was going to say That's interesting about it

[00:52:23] Is he's got like no stars in this movie Like he hires Peterson after Off of watching footage from To live in Dino-A But it hadn't come out yet Right and Peterson at this point Is just like a step in Wolfgang Do you know that he also wanted

[00:52:35] To hire Friedkin to play Hannibal Yes And he met with Friedkin That would be Friedkin crazy Right hey Ten comedy points Friedkin was like I'm not an actor And man was like you don't have to act You are this guy And Friedkin was like I am this guy

[00:52:52] Fuck you get out of my office Thus the historical man Friedkin split Just play yourself Right Dilarentus wanted either Richard Gere, Mel Gibson Or Paul Newman Hi And Michael Mann's like I saw some footage Of this future bomb Like we should hire William Peterson

[00:53:12] Would you also imagine he probably Only saw it because he was spending time With Friedkin trying to convince him To play Hannibal Come on, come on, Willi Right You'll love it This guy he hates someone Right so they get Peterson Which I guess is maybe in their mind

[00:53:25] Sort of like a smaller scale Like Sam Worthington Booking all those movies Before Avatar came out Whatever People were like I guess maybe If Friedkin picked him It's also the height of like Step in Wolf cool Like all those step in wolf guys Are emerging in the 80s

[00:53:37] Like the hook of it And Peterson is one of those guys Who like really kind of like Walks the walk and talks the talk In terms of like No I really just like theater more I don't really want to act in movies And TV shows

[00:53:49] Right I don't enjoy it And he's also he goes right out of the gate He's a leading man In both this and to live in Die in LA And then vanishes Strolls away His first film role Two lines is the bartender In feet In feet

[00:54:00] Then four years later He does to live in Die in LA And then does this the following year And then plays Ted Kennedy In The Contender Right there was the list I saw He's good in that And he's good Joan Allen again

[00:54:11] But there's a list of the shit That he turned down And they kept on saying I'm looking as Wikipedia now He would turn down all these He turned down platoon He turned down good fellas What was he going to play in good fellas? Henry Hill Wow First choice

[00:54:26] Glad he didn't do that He turned down Of course really on his brain Eventually eaten by Hannibal Correct Turned down the audition Turned down the audition Like Martin Scorsese called him And was like, are you just sitting Playing the lead role in my new film?

[00:54:39] He was like not interested in the horror cast Right Do Hamlet again Right so after Manhunter He does Cousins The Joel Schumacher French film remake With Ted Danson He does Young Guns 2 Sure Oh my god Young Guns 2 That was the hottest No it's terrible In all everyone was

[00:54:57] Baying for Young Guns 2 Young Guns 2 Sorry Chris But that features Emilio Estevez Man talking to Bradley Whitford In the 1950s about being Billy the Kid It is really the opening of it But I think William Piazza just saw That he was going to play Pat Garrett

[00:55:14] There was one name Oh that's a historical character You just look at this like Stone offers him platoon He's like hard pass I'm going to make an HBO TV movie About a minor league baseball player Sounds good Right then Scorsese is like good fellas

[00:55:29] You want to play a lead He's like hard pass He's like hard Kennedys of Massachusetts ABC miniseries I guess he's good at that sort of Kennedy vibe He likes that He does Return to Lonesome Dove So his three biggest roles Post-Man Hunter All TV movies or miniseries

[00:55:44] And then by the time he starts doing Movies again it's like Small parts Like the contender Mulholl and Falls Like Fear Right and then he just gets Fucking CSI Well he books CSI and CBS put that on Friday They didn't think that was going to be a hit

[00:55:59] At that point it was like No movie stars went and did TV He was a guy who could have been a leading man But kind of walked away from it So they were like Always got the gravitas of a movie star But he doesn't have any cash aid

[00:56:10] To be able to turn this down Right Does 10 seasons is like The highest paid guy in drama Hell yeah And then just leaves And then once again Just like fucking goes back To just doing Chicago plays I love it Like it's kind of incredible

[00:56:21] That the guy has that much integrity Where he's like I just really like doing plays In Chicago Yeah I mean if you're that guy He's also a guy in movies who knew His visual cat Like he knew he was handsome Right I mean this and in

[00:56:34] To live and die in LA That shirt's never like fully buttoned The haunted handsomeness But he knew he could only play crime scene guys Right Yes That's true That's true Maybe that's why they thought of him For CSI too Right of course

[00:56:48] But also you mentioned that little league But do you know what that movie is about No please tell me There's a little league kid Who is like I'm gonna quit baseball Until nuclear disarmament happens What And then a major league baseball player Is like he's right

[00:57:03] I'm gonna do it too And it's all about this national sensation And Peterson plays the player He's his father So it's Superman 4 Set amidst little league baseball Amidst various baseball leagues Alright that sounds good Did he man direct that? Was that a man too?

[00:57:20] The other thing that is Interesting about Peterson By all accounts it sounds like this movie Kind of broke him Totally He was like I could not shake this character He seems like a guy who does a lot of research And is kind of incredible watching this movie

[00:57:36] Where it's like Oh he's not doing like any indicating at all It doesn't feel like he's consciously playing The trauma and the brokenness of this guy It feels like he spent 6 months getting in the head You imagine he spent 6 months Just looking at crime scene photos

[00:57:51] He talked to the guys who hunted Richard Mermirez That was one of his big things And they were like I mean you know you're trying to leave it at home And I think I kind of did that They were sort of like up front with him Well

[00:58:04] And all that shit Cause this is one of those performances Where he's never playing the trauma He just feels like he's dead inside the whole movie And you're like This is like uncomfortable Like he's like the guy on the subway Where you're like

[00:58:16] I can't stop looking at this guy Cause I think he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown I love his performance for exactly that Right He's radiating some really uncomfortable energy Like he's lost He's gone And his wife is so pretty And she's like Hey what's up

[00:58:29] Let's we're on the beach And his conscious acting choice is Let me just play a guy who's really good at his job But he spent 6 months building a psychological profile Of like total fucking despair Right And I like that about the beginning

[00:58:42] Because it starts with him and Farina It doesn't start with him and the wife It's a picturesque It's like them sitting on like And Farina's there in like a suit But also underlines the whole thing Like the fact that he cares more about this stuff

[00:58:55] Than he does this life And I like the And I mean there's a couple things in heat That bounce off of this But like that shot of Of De Niro contemplating the ocean Man contemplating the ocean man On number one Michael Mantrope

[00:59:08] Well and also this man thing of like Men who don't know how to do anything else Yes What's the line in the heat diner? The Well it's that where it's like She knows like don't take scores And he's like all I know how to do is take scores

[00:59:21] Right And Diane Vanora I think Vanora Says specifically you hunt your prey Right When she's yelling at home I'm sorry the chicken got overcooked No but Will Graham's this dude who had this Like very high profile success Give me what you got

[00:59:37] And now he lives on the beach Give me all you got Constantly playing like a beautiful Like electronic music With his like lovely wife and child And he like is like I can't do it You can't drag me back into it

[00:59:48] But he also clearly isn't enjoying his life No Like the guy it's like a guy who comes back from war And just can't ever go back He's like Colin Farrell in Dumbo is what I'm saying Oh yeah great performance that I love Yeah

[01:00:01] The other thing interesting though is that yet like Peterson like met with anyone he could Tried to steep himself in all that Tom Noonan tried to research serial killers Thought it was gross Right He was like I can't this is disgusting And instead was

[01:00:15] Wait there's some quote I found Peterson it just feels like did too much research Yeah it's too bad that podcast went around for Tom Noonan Half the fucking industry It's weird I just I've tried to want I wanna know more about serial killers

[01:00:27] But I don't know where to turn It's so hard No he said I wanted to feel like this guy is doing The best he could that he's doing it out of love He decided to just play it like you know like

[01:00:36] He thinks this is the thing to do Tom Noonan's also one of those guys who's like a very serious actor And he's like I don't believe in like method stuff You just like learn your lines and you like hit the marks

[01:00:46] And you try to come up with interesting choices Yeah Sounds like anything to me And Peterson's like I'm gonna destroy my brain and my heart forever There's only one way to get a thousand yards stare Right But yes no the opening of the film is immediately so strange

[01:01:02] Cause you're like this feels like the adillic Like they're skipping past the paradise Yeah So just like the seduction now is like his boss being like Come on come back Hey this is guy Toot Fairy No good Yeah he's got teeth He's got teeth

[01:01:16] Everyone's got teeth this guy bites people with them What the fuck Which is my favorite bit when the guys like I don't want to hear any of you calling this guy the Toot Fairy And they're like so what's the new update on the Toot Fairy case

[01:01:27] Like everyone in the whole movie is like Fucking Toot Fairy What was I gonna say Farina obviously is in Is in um Thief Yes Is a real Chicago cop Right But man befriend crime story as well And then right he's He's gonna do crime story after this

[01:01:43] Right exactly Um but This now we know the Hannibal shit and all that Right But this movie is a little daring to just sort of start with like Them having a conversation with like I know you're fucked up Like you know like to have all this backstory

[01:01:56] That is not really addressed Right This does not really address the back story No You know Hannibal like stabbed him That's about it Right Right like there's like yeah And the stuff I mean when he's talking to his son

[01:02:08] I think is like the best they sort of explain it Of just like this guy's so good at his job And he takes it so seriously that he tries to dig into their psychology And he maybe now can never get out of that Right

[01:02:19] Like he sees the world through those eyes Yeah he crossed the line He crossed the line And in the show when they like they talk about Will and Graham Where they're like he's a super empath Right there's some like word they have for him

[01:02:31] And when he enters the crime scene It like turns into like 3D And he can like see ghosts and shit There's definitely they definitely TVFied it Very much Like they had to really go big And like but what's good about it like in this

[01:02:42] They do just say like Garajikah pobs and passing And then the show turns into a major art Yes that's like the whole first thing Something Shrike fuck The Shriek The Baltimore Shrike or something like that Shrike Shrike From Mortal engines Have you guys seen Mortal engines?

[01:03:02] I have seen Mortal engines Shrike is He's You guys are gonna do Mortal engines Is there a band on the soundtrack to this That's like Shrike something Shriek On this? Yeah I don't know Soundtrack is so good Soundtrack is amazing We should say

[01:03:17] This soundtrack, this movie in general is very vaporwave Very vaporwave Highly The Minnesota Shrike Free vaporwave Proto vaporwave But this is very much my aesthetic I was saying I think like movies should come back around to this Builds like a Kind of are

[01:03:35] You gotta build a Mortal engine Of vaporwave Yes That's about like a If you were in Mortal engines yours would be like a In-card engine But vaporwave Right Yeah cause I haven't seen Mortal engines And my understanding of it is there's like There's like a big robot

[01:03:50] And it just fucking showed up Is that right? It's big cities Cities on Cities on On wheels They're called motor cities And they battle each other It's got one of those things where like The opening thing is like as we all know After the fall

[01:04:03] The city's head to go on wheels They're like They had to That was the move? Wheels? Do you remember like those like a Micro machine play sets Where it would like look like a thing And then you'd open it up And there'd be like a bunch of different

[01:04:15] Scenes and characters inside Like the Technodrome So the cities in Mortal engines are like that Where they're like Oh fuck someone's coming And then it like folds up And all the buildings compress I swear to God this movie Rules so fucking hard I believe the first line basically

[01:04:29] Is you are weaving saying Prepare to ingest Yes Cause the city is about to like Eat a smaller city Right cause a bigger city is chasing A smaller city London is chasing like you know Some market town He said that and I was waiting for

[01:04:41] That city to open up And big teeth actually started Shopping down I was like oh man here we go But there's a A bionic man named Shrike There is a bionic man And he's like a clockwork man Is Crang inside of him? No No

[01:04:55] Crang would have been a good addition The Mortal engine I think they were teasing Crang For this equal They need Crang in this I haven't seen it but they need him Shrike does kinda look like Crang's android body She's got that sort of vibe He's like a Crang-less

[01:05:08] Man That's all he does There's also like a balloon So he's a lot going on in Mortal Engine That's Stephen Lang I was gonna say Stephen Lang who You would not know that's Stephen Lang Big glow up Big glow up Big glow up By like his fifth scene

[01:05:24] Like who's this guy Who kind of looks like Was he just like Trapped in a gym for five years At one point like is that Like part of his backstory Is like We closed this gym with him inside it And we couldn't open it back up

[01:05:34] Well and his hair is just like For five years His hair in this is like The Woody Harrelson Venom wig 100% It's like a fright wig Yeah Like for a second year Like is this a woman Like I don't mean that In like an insulting way

[01:05:47] He's got such a sort of like Dandy kind of presentation And he's kind of pretty in there Yeah he's very pretty And then he becomes like Just like a beef jerky man Right Like he's still a very handsome guy But it's like He's like all taut

[01:05:58] And sinewy and intense Yeah I say it's good In this one The first thing I was like is Did they get something from Focka Seagulls in this Like he really does look like He's the basis Like not the guy you know Yeah it's a very weird performer

[01:06:11] I didn't recognize until the Credits honestly That's a lot of this cast It's not a big cast But it's all people who were Starting Big people now Who are just trying Is nobody at this point It's her second movie Kim Greast Who I think was also Steppenwolf

[01:06:26] Yes and she does Brazil Great credits And Shudd don't forget Shudd And Shudd of course Yeah And she had been in a Miami Vice Okay What's Shudd about Cannibalistic Hockey Mood Underground Dwellers Ben's eyes just popped out of his head It's one of those titles that kind of

[01:06:44] Explains what the movie is about It might have a vaporwave soundtrack I can't say for sure But she's also in Throw Mama From the Train Which is all vaporwave No no it's Mortal Engine Right the train Train or The cities are on wheels They're on like

[01:07:00] You know treads They've got a caterpillar track Throw Mama from the Mortal Engines That's going to be a movie one day Kim Greast is weird Can I throw something even weirder Say what you want to say But what's weird of her career

[01:07:13] And then I'm going to top it off It's just that it's like Throw Mama from the train The next year Punchline in 88 She has some family movies She has Housegash She has the two homework bounds She's in Housegash and the homework bounds She's in Why Me

[01:07:24] What's it called Christopher Lambert movie But then it's like that's it Then she just stopped making movies The end Okay speaking of Kim Greist Going completely off the grid When my mother was attempting to be an actress In the early 80s Kim Greist was part of her group

[01:07:43] Of struggling actresses And then she was the one Who made it But when I was born She apparently was like Very good with me When I was a baby she was like So she gave up acting then? She was like Kim was my only friend

[01:07:57] Who would like change diapers Oh wow And so then my brother was born Three years later Kim Greist was my brother's godmother He has never met her Wow And it was one of those things Much like her career Where she just fucking disappeared And my mom was like

[01:08:11] I don't know what happened to her She never showed up They should do a podcast about this Maybe one time when he was a baby James has never spoken to her She abandoned you She's been my brother Okay But wait Do you think now

[01:08:24] Like you could still invoke it Like you know I mean obviously I'm joking But like if the Newman family Was lost at sea or whatever Maybe Could James be like Kim Greist, godmother Calling you in Well James James is my brother Just a bit of a wheeler dealer

[01:08:38] So he for a while would use it As like an honorific He could throw around to other people So every couple of years He'd anoint a new godmother Oh so he's like my godmother She's like she's inabsentious So this title is hot It's ready Right

[01:08:50] Yeah who wants it So as like first kid I got my parents like high school friends Right Like I got their two best old friends And then my mom took a big swing on I called her Kim violin When I was little Kim Grease Yes Okay

[01:09:05] Because I liked rhyming Is that why she left society She started off in a hop Yeah She moved to an engine city Fucking violin Yeah But it is weird She stopped acting And stopped godmothering Right about the same time Well she's good in this

[01:09:18] I guess she doesn't have a lot to do She doesn't have a lot to do Yeah Shud mother Shud mother That's what I'd call her Yeah Maybe she went underground But yeah like third build is farina Who is as far as I know

[01:09:28] Still just like a salami man Right Like he's not like It's not like people are like Farina's in this I'm there No this is like his first real dialogue role Yes it's 100% it Right I like it when he pops into things It's great Oh

[01:09:41] He's in the winty bad Exactly I can't believe the academy Left a matter of the I know that was really funny To this day Yeah So nice There were a couple of ones this year too That I thought were really There's always some weird ones

[01:09:53] Yeah no Vern Troyer Yeah Arley Ermey I have money on that How do you not put Arley Ermey In your freaking head Yeah Who I wonder who that poor soul is Who has to decide I also did Where the producers like You have two minutes Yes

[01:10:07] Like that's it But I also feel like Why isn't that thing like six minutes long Isn't that everyone's favorite part I'm watching it Yeah It's like it's sort of the part That feels the most kind of communal I feel the same way about though

[01:10:20] Like when they give the honorary Oscar's like You have to like find The fucking stream to do it I mean making its own show Called like Hollywood Funeral Right And I would watch it You just do You don't have to show the shots of the caskets

[01:10:34] Here in Ferns or whatever they chose They should honestly You know just do the memoriam Show me clips In memoriam should have a commercial break That's my pitch We sort of fade down So then you could have like A bunch of book enders

[01:10:47] Cause obviously like the book ends are the hottest Slots in the memoriam right Like Albert Finney I think was the end this year Right But this what you could like Albert Finney fade out Like Applebee's And then he fade back in There are places I remember

[01:11:01] You just back in Yeah That'd be good And Hunter Adroll Okay Verena Probably one of the best stashes in the game Amazing steps I can't think of really many other I think if you tried to like shave it off Your razor would like chip as well

[01:11:15] I feel like it's like painted on or something Right Like hey Verena can you shave And he's like you can try I've tried Now I'm picturing trying to use a paint chipper Right yeah we like And it just like snaps And he's like see It's my curse

[01:11:29] He's like the Hulk Like he's like I tried to kill myself didn't work He comes onto this And gets shorty There's three scissors And his mustache He's like I tried again I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you His barber is hanging off of his mustache

[01:11:43] I haven't figured out I can shake him off yet Like Martin Scrisis he called him He's like I want you to play Mr. No Mustache And he's like can't do it Sorry Oh my god That's making me think of Caesar Romero Who played the Joker

[01:11:54] And just painted over it Right That would be good If Verena in one movie had just painted over it You know what I mean A 12 year old boy with no mustache I wish Verena had done like a Clifford style movie

[01:12:08] Like a comedy where Verena just played a child I think Clifford is great Hey dad come on you gotta bring me to my baseball team Clifford is an all time class Class and great movie So Verena gets Wanna say Mason? Jack Crawford Yes

[01:12:24] That's the other thing I love about the Hannibal franchise Is that different actors have played all of the supporting characters Right so So like Jack Crawford was Scott Glenn Verena Harvey Cotel Harvey Cotel and then Lawrence Fishburne Yeah Like they keep switching it up

[01:12:37] That's a pretty great crew That's a good crew Yeah I think that's like wait did someone play him in Hannibal Or he might not be in Hannibal Jack Crawford Isn't Jack Crawford Lawrence Fishburne No no in Hannibal the movies I'm sorry this is Oh Is it Ray Leode

[01:12:51] No Ray Leode is Paul Cranbler Paul Cranbler Who's the like The one guy with the Justice The one guy with the Justice Paul Cranbler from Justice Exactly Right And other people have played Like he's in silence for like one scene That's the one scene when it's after Corman

[01:13:04] Is the one guy Paul Cranman from Justice Yeah And then of course Ray Leode Spring gets eaten And the last scene of Hannibal Is Hannibal feeding more brain To a child on an airplane We were saying how crazy it was That like the rumor mail Pre-Hannibal was like

[01:13:18] Crazy Like people were so in for that movie And the rumor mail was Like fucking Avengers Endgame But all the leaks would sound Like Jackass stunts Where they'd be like The rumor is There's a guy without eyelids And people would be like No And then be like

[01:13:34] The rumor is Someone eats his own brain Like they were all just like You won't believe how fucking nuts This movie is And then as I said to you last night You read the book and you're like They toned the book down Yeah The movie is subtle

[01:13:47] Compared to the book Yeah And the book Clarice eats the brain too And she's like Good Like I would remember reading Because there was a huge deal When the book came out Like because it was Of course it was Corman's hair Right

[01:14:00] And it had been like ten years And then the whole scene With the Italian detective Yup Like that's super way Giorgio the day in the movie Who is disemboweled on screen In the movie to be clear It's not like he like You know falls asleep and dying

[01:14:12] Took some pills Hannibal just gave him some pills Hannibal just sort of like Punches him in the face And he falls over No, I mean disembowelment What's that? The guy from Jean Carlo Gianni Yeah Yeah Who only plays Haggard Italian cops Who drink eight espressos

[01:14:28] Like that's his vibe That was the 90s Into their hearts for him Yeah He's just like James Bond Sorry You shouldn't be here I love that Quantum Solace Has James Bond throwing his body In the garbage and being like He wouldn't care Yeah He might care

[01:14:44] I like it really felt Like Alpha Cassino Real It's like Maybe this is the other pillar Of the franchise Garbage Yeah Alright Hannibal Jack Crawford Rings Will Graham Out of retirement To deal with the tooth fairy Right Who is biting people Yes He's a biter

[01:15:02] That's kind of the only thing They have to go off of In the book And I feel like in Red Dragon There's more with the Like there's that Someone makes like a tooth Like a cast of his mouth And all that I feel like that's not it

[01:15:14] It's one, there's one shot Where the guy from The Thing Shows it to Crawford You mean the guy from The actual movie The Thing The guy with the hands From The Thing Got it I was just making sure Can I throw out My complaint about this guy

[01:15:27] Which guy? The tooth fairy Oh sure Here's one thing I don't like about him I mean on paper He seems great That's what I'm saying Develops people's photos And videos and stuff A service Like his use of nylons Sure has a cool like Mars His house

[01:15:44] So goddamn gorgeous I love the lighting in this house It's just gorgeous He's an appreciation for cinema He likes to project I genuinely, I saw that And I was like Fuck, should I get Something like this In my apartment Like one wall is Just a big image

[01:15:59] Should I cultivate A tooth fairy vibe This is my complaint, okay? Cause I like a lot Of things about this guy Okay Develops photos We said the nice things What's your complaint? Finds his next target Sneaks into their home Stabs him a bunch Sure Fucks them up

[01:16:16] Maybe fondles Little fondles Bites them God it's already Right there And then he leaves Without even leaving A quarter under their pillow For this guy You're right It'd be cool if he took teeth Right? Just started ripping him out Yeah Of a bag of them

[01:16:37] Not even a knuckle I know, what a jerk Hey Penny, please He doesn't want to be called The tooth fairy Like he wants to be called The red dragon He should leave dragons At their house or whatever I guess he does course correct With Stephen Lang

[01:16:52] By burning him He burns him He burns him up real good That's probably That guy is fully burned That's to me weirdly The most upsetting thing in the movie Yeah Yeah That sequence is Real bad Which is it Because in Red Dragon He bites his lips off Yeah

[01:17:09] In the book and in Red Dragon And in Red Dragon Anthony Hopkins like Spits the lips It's gross And this it's a little It's a little quieter Well he finds when he It gets I mean he finds When he gets Yeah And this is just The weird kiss

[01:17:23] Which is disturbing It was more on Suddling con it to me Like great It was more visceral Like this and like The shot of the old guy Like at his security desk I love that guy That was more My favorite scenes of this From the beginning

[01:17:36] I was like And then just the wheelchair Right at the camera Right because he's turning around A little bit because he's like I run this parking garage I think I hear wheels But those sound way too small Oh wait what It's a wheelchair

[01:17:47] What kind of fucked up car Is this coming down the road Yes Somebody grilling in my parking garage The new 1986 Burning wheelchairs They're out early Um so Right you have Freddie Lowndes Sort of bothers them And Graham pretty quickly Goes to see Hannibal Lecter

[01:18:06] Right I love this character Of just this sort of like Saucy Like sort of like On-Flauntary Blah Crime reporter Yes for the Tatler Right like he acts like He's fuckin like You know some like 1940s like Hollywood Gossip columnist But he talks to profilers And he's like

[01:18:25] I've got the hot scoop From inside the FBI Is like criminal psychology So did he eat their buttholes or what And also like once He is burned up on a wheelchair It seems like that's it Like he was the one flying the ointment The only one

[01:18:38] It's not like there's like six guys Trying to do this And that type is now a podcaster That type is now a podcaster That guy would just have a podcaster He would record it in like His murder shack Right You know out in Delaware or whatever Yeah

[01:18:50] And be like Freddie Lowndes Right you won't believe What this guy does Murders people You also do Casper ads He would get right Right If you're gonna murder someone You need to line your basement With Casper mattresses So the sound doesn't get out This thing absorbs entrails

[01:19:06] It is any viscera If you want to send a finger Or a body part through the mail Stamps.com Gives you a free digital scale You all Out of people to eat Well Blue Aprons got your back Right exactly That'll sort of tide you over

[01:19:22] Teach you some new techniques We all love killing people But figuring out how to serve them And best prepare them is daunting So the lecture scene Let's talk the lecture scene I was gonna say I just like how quickly Like he's like

[01:19:37] Okay I'll do this one case for you And then it's like Back into all the fucking bullshit He can't not do this Like right Right He's like I'll do this one case And he's like My first option probably The guy who traumatized me Beyond repair

[01:19:50] I'll go talk to him I think this is one of the few movies Where a character talking to himself This much makes total sense Of course Like this guy just stares at a fucking picture For like an hour And is like Do I kiss the body? Right

[01:20:05] Do I bite it? But the lecture scene rules It's interesting How many sort of visual similarities There are to the sounds of the lambs Thing Sure In sort of the shot reverse shot Through the bars But the sounds of the lambs Sort of rolls him out

[01:20:22] Where it's like She's walking down the long hallway He's standing He's like You know ready to sort of like Have fun He gets a hero's welcome Where in this he's this kind Of he's big You know he's kind of brutal You're going to see your ex

[01:20:33] Like that's what this feels like And I think that's on purpose But like And he's so And he's like a caged animal Like he's like eyeing him Like it's like Ah Cox is small too Whereas like He's kind of a bowling ball Like Brian Dennehy

[01:20:47] Was supposed to be this character I guess I think so I said like you should Go see this guy Right Like he says That's like what I like about him He is so small He doesn't stand up the way Uh Right Hopkins does Where he's so presented

[01:21:02] He's just like Come on baby Come tell me He's sort of like He's hunched over He's very still And he's like very quiet Like he just has that Sort of like Professor arrogance Yes But Hopkins is so stylized And this is like Kind of the most

[01:21:18] Like real world scary version Yes it's the most like The banal take on him Right Because like Mads Mikkelsen Like Will Graham Eventually sees him as a black Jet black demon with antlers Like when he's like having his hallucination And like Do you know that home's joke

[01:21:35] About silence of the lambs Where he's like Where I was learning to make movies I didn't realize the script Was never going to be exactly right And then I like In silence of the lambs When after the QIANTI scene He goes like And he's like Right this script

[01:21:49] Doesn't just have 40 Fs Like Hopkins just decided to do that Like you know Hopkins is so theatrical Right Or this guy's not theatrical at all At all Right There are no Fs in the script I don't know Maybe we should look at the script And it's like

[01:22:04] You know They didn't give no Fs Actually for a month Another 10 count Inside the actor studio I remember the Hopkins episode Very specifically being like I just did that Right Totally Right And they were like What if you like make a weird sucking sound For 10 seconds

[01:22:21] You just imagine the script supervisor Coming up to him after that take And go like Okay, so Anthony Just a few notes First of all I don't know which draft You've been working off of But the one I have here Doesn't have 17 consecutive Fs in it

[01:22:34] Also you're saying QIANTI wrong And he's like Oh cool Fuck off Also do not care Also how do exactly Do you eat Fafa beans? Yeah I just sucked them in He's like a Roomba He's like one by one I'm Kirby The Nintendo game I am Kirby

[01:22:53] I just sucked them in Yes Brian Cox or Anthony Hopkins Would be an excellent Kirby Brian Cox would be a good Kirby He's brown Yeah, really good Right, he's kind of brown Okay, here's an actual thing Well, a hot air Here's an actual thing

[01:23:06] How good would Brian Cox be as Bowser? Very good Very good I mean we have our fun and games But let's get really serious The crown hangs heavy Not voicing either No, no, this is a full show on that Full body, get back Not motion capture either

[01:23:20] He's gotta be It's gotta be an entirely practical performance I think he'd be good I think he'd be He's got the time But he would finally Fuck and win his Oscar He would be better than Dennis Hopper was In that role Yeah Have you guys seen

[01:23:33] And I say this Because the two of you were on the show Because I would usually Get laughed at If I asked David and Ben this question Have you guys seen The Masters of the Universe documentary On Netflix No, I've not I did not know this existed

[01:23:46] But I know that film Yeah It's a documentary about the history Of like he man as a brand But they go into the movie a lot Yeah And you're like Lin-Gel is not gonna sit down And talk No, but he's like Right, this was a character He's like

[01:23:59] It's probably my favorite role I've ever played Really? Yeah And he was like I genuinely It's one of my greatest regrets In life that I never got To play Skeletor again I miss him And they're like So like the costume Like you have all this Heavy shit

[01:24:13] And like the makeup And he was like I was actually really angry That they took the fight scenes away from me And had this stunt guy do them He's like I spent eight months training I mean, I was surprised Because they didn't put him in the

[01:24:24] The canon documentary Where they talked extensively about that Yeah Because I think he didn't have anything bad to say Like the other guys were like We want you to talk shit about this company No He's like No, no, I loved it This documentary is like

[01:24:36] Mostly about the toys And there's 20 minutes about the movie And they talk to Lin-Gel And he's like Yeah, people think I did it Because my son liked it And that's true But I also thought Skeletor Was one of the great characters I've ever read

[01:24:45] So this interview is like Frost Skeletor It's Frost Skeletor I just want Cox to do that I want Cox to be like This isn't a paycheck for me I see Bowser as like A kinglier figure I've grabbed women from towers all the time All the time

[01:24:59] I hate to have all my favorite things to do Bowser wants to get married That's Bowser's deal Yeah Right? He's just pushy Who's Mario? Who's Mario? Yeah, who's on Mario today? Dennis Farina Hoskins was just so bad Hoskins was so bad Farina would have been a good Mario

[01:25:14] He's got the mustache Not sure if there is Gumbas are everywhere Yeah Sorry Dennis Frans could still do it I don't know Dennis Frans could be Mario He could be like old Mario That would be like Mario The Dark Knight Returns Mario

[01:25:27] Come at retirement for one last mushroom You know, like lifts out of the armchair Or like one last mushroom He failed Like the princess was never rescued And he's an old withered man And he's like, I'm not going to die on this death bed

[01:25:39] I'm going to actually try to get that princess I don't care what castle she's in I'm going to get a joint to do a super jump Then he has some better muscels and sits down for a while I start my scene This is Brian Cox

[01:25:50] I start my scene with the back to the audience So I can pull them in I'm trying to seduce them In an entirely different way When Tony's doing it Mr. Hoskins He's an Indefatigable force Sure He's so theatrical You know, he does that thing where he's like

[01:26:05] Closer, you know, to Jodie Foster My favorite part about the Brian Cox Lecter is that he does this phone shit And it's right out of war games I love that He's like, I can stick a gum Oh my God

[01:26:16] This movie rules because of all the old tech shit Yeah I mean, I don't know The part where they're looking up the IDs too And it's like Oh yeah Right, yeah I just feel like technology in general Is kind of ruined procedures a little bit

[01:26:28] Because like computers just It's less engaging Yeah Than watching people like telefax Telefax and like The Will Graham experience is that He is beyond technology Like he can get in the mind That's his whole thing He's down to a Lewis, he gets lost

[01:26:42] My favorite thing in the entire movie Is that he uses the gum to hack the phone And then just Eats the stick of gum Why wouldn't he chew the gum while he's on the phone Now that he got the number he wanted You're right That's a cool move

[01:26:54] That's sort of like a low key like Superstar move Right He's like, I pulled this off I don't need a second shot at this Well it's just like the way that you were talking about Hopkins as like He's just presented there and he's a force Right

[01:27:07] Where like this does like Just the way he talks Like it's very normal Yeah Not to say that he's normal He's very conversational Whereas there's no big statements The way that Hopkins is Yes It's also sort of just crazy to imagine Going to the theater

[01:27:18] Not knowing who Hannibal X is Right Maybe having not read the book Certainly not knowing about the Hopkins thing Right And you're like, oh this is That's always an interesting scene That was pretty arresting They have the one super Like that's the same atrocious aftershave Yeah

[01:27:31] And then like the thing where he's like You have disadvantages, you're insane Right Which is like cute It's a great line It's such a good line But in like Red Dragon That is like That was in the trailer That was like the hottest line

[01:27:43] Whereas this, you know, Peterson Says it pretty flatly What's also this movie He's so afraid to be in the room with him This movie doesn't height up Hannibal In the same way that Tonsa Lam's does You meet him like ten minutes in And he's just there

[01:27:55] Right and you're just like This Peterson guy seems to be cautious About going to meet this guy Sure But when he's like in the room And he's like that civilized And that well spoken And that sort of calm You're like what's going on here

[01:28:08] And it's like as the scene unfolds You start to realize how terrifying This guy is And I think the way he exits is so Like that whole thing where he's So panicked all of a sudden Yeah Or it's more like he knows he can't

[01:28:19] He'll lose, he's about to lose his cool Right Like Lecter will see him melt down I actually like And it's entirely a testament To his work But I like feel physically uncomfortable Watching Peterson in this movie Totally It's like watching Britney Spears' Shaver head And you're just like

[01:28:34] This is, I can't get any satisfaction from this Right and it's sort of an Interesting lead character to have Cause he's right You're kind of like dude Stop it Right Oh no Don't do this And in the age of the hero cop It's so insane to have this

[01:28:48] And be like yeah this is our guy Right And he's like just like So sweaty the whole movie You've got that early scene Where he goes to the crime scene And it's like this empty house And he's talking to himself Right

[01:28:58] When does he imagine the woman with like The white eyes Is that a little later? That's later That's so good He's got the weird thing It's the thing that bugs me about my own hair Where the sides in the back Puff out more than the top

[01:29:08] He's got a puffy hair Yeah Well that's, he's not a silver fox He's a silver lion He's got a really big mane And it's well put Yeah Very, very well Lovely, I can't keep my eyes off Right cause foxes are sleek And lions are majestic Yeah

[01:29:21] Peterson's a majestic guy He's a majestic guy Billy Peterson Billy Peterson We gotta do Friedkin So we can do to live in Dinoa We do We're so good in that It is crazy now that we're also gonna cover Two Hannibal Moos in the same year Yeah we are

[01:29:34] That's right And we'll never cover Red Dragon probably We definitely will cover Hannibal Rising Of course You guys are Peter Weber You guys are gonna go through the Mick G series right? Girl with a pearl podcast Yeah Pod with a cast earring

[01:29:51] And you know, we could do Ridley Scott I've always wanted to see it's just he just makes too many movies That's his problem I feel like you and I on the same page Covered someone with that long a filmography Again, we would maybe do this Spielberg thing

[01:30:03] Where we split it We'd break it up We'd find some sort of midpoint For Scott I guess it's the 90s Right Like when he truly goes off the resume Someone tweeted at us like When You guys started covering Tim Burton My wife was not visibly pregnant

[01:30:17] And now she's given birth Birth Birth It was a birth She bore Yeah, she bore Come on, what else do we want to talk about in this movie? Well you mentioned the white eyes And I thought Isn't it so good? And the white teeth, they're like glowing mouths

[01:30:32] Right, it's like cause It's kind of keepy Yeah It's what keepy touch And Peterson is like, you know, he's going crazy Trying to get in the mind of what the tooth fairy is And he wants to be seen and desired by other people So it's like almost like

[01:30:46] I think they're supposed to represent like a reflection Yes Because he does take out mirrors And break them up He takes mirrors He likes the moonlight Like yeah, right Yeah There's just, I mean there's all these good reversals in this Like I always stick with the

[01:30:59] And apparently this was a pain in the ass to shoot The scene with him in the airplane And he's dreaming of his home life Yeah While the murder photos are just everywhere So great And I was just like, oh man Yeah I've been there before

[01:31:13] I've like watched a bad, the wrong movie On an airplane 100% And then it's like Who hasn't watched a snuff film Or kept around murder photographs On an airplane I've had leotabrains And some Tupperware on an airplane No class And a kid wanted to eat it You got it

[01:31:26] Because I mean the brains they serve on the flight Are so bad Yeah, I know Those are microwave-free These fried brains Flight attendant is the motion picture today On the plane This is a pruder film Because It's my favorite movie The long cut The director's cut please

[01:31:41] Yeah, right The director's cut The frames insert You know the stuff the CIA didn't cut out of it You could put stills in the middle of it They're saying these are leotabrains on the menu But this These taste like Ken Wall brains at best

[01:31:53] I was wondering who you were going to do I was working really hard to pull out Ordered leotabrains And they gave me egg noodles and ketchup The ultimate integrity They're fellas, that's the link Peterson's like I won't do it Leotas like I will do Yeah, yeah All right

[01:32:10] And then he gets his brain eaten What else? They do the thing where they like shame him in the tatler Tatler Yes And that's when you have the Freddie Lowns scene I love all that stuff Do you see? Yes It's a little slideshow

[01:32:23] The lab thing with the note on the toilet paper That they know they need to replace That is really fun That stuff rules Like as you get all the processing labs So much good processing in this movie Bulldog from Frasier is one of the guys

[01:32:36] He shows up again in Sons of the Lambs Which is really funny to me Bulldog from Frasier I think Moose was what? What was he? Eddie from He wasn't a bulldog He was a terrier Moose Yes, he was Moose? Well said Thank you Winner of the Palm Dog

[01:32:56] Okay Okay Okay Yeah, but all that man processed stuff is so good Yeah, a lot of blue light All of his blue light I know which critics at the time I think Were kind of like how critics of Soderberg's time Were like enough with the filters

[01:33:11] Like they were like ehh It's too obvious So I love all the filters I love all that shit I don't see people complain about filters If it's pointed I love it Like if you're just doing it because I saw traffic Yellows in this year

[01:33:25] Like what the fuck's that? Where he's like this is a blue scene Let's make it blue Put a blue on it Put a blue on it And blue here is sort of like homey It's for the romance It's for the scenes with his wife Which is weird

[01:33:38] Did you see those? But sort of reflects his state of mind Especially since it feels like moonlight in those shots Right And then we talk about the tooth fairy Like the moon as well He does He's got an awesome god damn moon

[01:33:48] In his apartment or house or whatever And he watches people from afar in their yards Loves it Pretty nice Whittling on trees He's a hobbyist He's a hobbyist He's a classic paper He learns stuff I mean like I like the scenes with him in the workspace

[01:34:06] Like when we finally meet him Cause all the camera really rushes at him I remember the first couple shots of dollar hide You're just like Here he is Like him moving through the thing And they pull back the camera really quick And if suddenly felt like you were

[01:34:21] Like he got away from that distancing thing That is somehow in all of his movies Like the calm of it All of a sudden got broken And also structurally it's so cool That you hold off on seeing any of the guy for so long

[01:34:33] And then you spend like 15 minutes just with him Right Like in his daily life I mean look What did I say to you guys in the DM thread? Of all else He's a really good housemaker He is The interior decoration is fantastic

[01:34:48] He seems like a pretty good date I mean Hey, I've never rubbed a tiger He's a homemaker A suitor brings me to a tiger to rub That's a thrilling adventure for me He's very polite about Like he's like I just made you a gin and tonic

[01:35:02] It's right in front of you I like that scene Yeah Joan Allen's great It's a weird role Yes Like it's a slight role But like I love Joan Allen I mean look This obviously a major Michael man Complaint that I only think gets corrected

[01:35:17] In the last couple of films Tends to severely underwrite All of his female characters They just exist to be like Symbols Right Right Or don't murder me Excuse me What Could you avoid murdering me? Please If you wouldn't mind I'm trying to live here Yeah

[01:35:35] No, I think Madeline Stowe in Maheacons Is kind of his most developed female character I'm gonna give you a hot take Sure I think the best one is Jada Pinkett Smith and Collateral Well, I love Jada Pinkett Smith and Collateral I think that you know

[01:35:48] She's also amazing in all the We'll get to that We'll get to that Yeah I love her and Collateral though She rolls out Love Jada Pinkett Smith Yeah Another person who Doesn't get enough respect 100% Yeah Does not get enough respect Also another person who was in Gotham

[01:36:04] Yes, Mooney Yes, Mooney forever Yes, Mooney I thought she was gonna be like Did she Cause she left after She's first season She's after the first season But then she's back And she's like even fishier Yeah Or whatever Like she's like re-mixed Something fish is going on

[01:36:19] Right, exactly Exactly She grows scales It was just so weird Where they're like This show is gonna be kind of built around The penguin You're like cool And the main gangster's Called Fish Mooney And I'm like Another fish thing Like right? Like you know Like the penguin's

[01:36:34] He eats fish Does the penguin eat her? Yeah Yeah, right Like the fish is like a glacier Can I say that Jada Pinkett Smith is Zommie? Oh, okay You know what I'm saying? I can see that actually Yeah Especially in the fish mooney Get up Yeah

[01:36:50] Push me fish mooney Push me fish Fish me push mooney Oh my god So Well manhunter It's a masterpiece of 80s crime scene Well I'll say this This episode This episode works As a sort of exploration Of us descending into madness William Pierce Exactly

[01:37:07] As the filters around us Are all like tinted blue Yeah Ben put on a blue filter In the room where we're recording That feels very comic It is comic It's a calm before the storm Because we should probably mention The whole like Peterson's Not supposed to even

[01:37:22] Go ahead of everyone And break into What's his name? Dollar Hides Yeah, Dollar Hides Interesting name Great name Francis is Dollar Hides And it's the most interesting way To break into someone's house Is you just start running At their fucking window And jump through it Well yeah

[01:37:39] You gotta go the Rambo entrance That's what you want And it backfires in such a great way It's fantastic I think it's a bad idea To make a nice loud entrance That also probably damages Your body in the process Damages your body in the process

[01:37:52] This guy is not a threat He's only 6'7 Also incapacitates you Yes Oh You know when We're getting to the I mean there's the thing With like his home address Right that that's the code That's pretty cool And I like that scene

[01:38:06] And the sort of red herring of it Right it's not the Bible Right and also The kid waking up Waking up Kim Grace Saying that they hear someone You think it's gonna be Dollar Hides And then it's all the SWAT guys Being like hey How's it going?

[01:38:19] Hi what's up And it's the guy Isn't it the guy who The terminator to The T-1000 finger pokes Oh no it's not him But I know what you're getting It's that guy That guy is in ship That guy is in ship That guy is in ship Yes

[01:38:32] That redhead guy Who is the best He's in Gremlins 2 They're both in Gremlins 2 Yes the twin brothers And they're in Looney Tunes back in action As the Warner Brothers So Dante loves them Another guy in this film That's uncredited I forget the actor's name He's at the start

[01:38:49] Where he's like saying Oh the VHS tapes of The families are in your place William Peterson And he's been In like everything He was in stand by me Like the bad dad Like the wrong kid died and I forget his name.

[01:39:04] It's killing me because I know he's been in so much other stuff. I thought you were going to bring up the fact that in the one of the scenes where we're breaking down like we're getting ready to go find him. Chris Elliott. Yes! That is wild. Thank you.

[01:39:19] I hear there was someone we don't forget only before. This is the year before the abyss. It's with Prime Chris Elliott in a scene. I wouldn't forgive myself if we didn't mention Chris Elliott. The best. Also, and get a life. And the light show with David Latter.

[01:39:33] That's what's weird is that like before he started having a proper acting career it was like Letterman sketches, then like one scene roles in totally dramatic films playing straight perfunctory roles and then he becomes like weirdo comedy actor. Right.

[01:39:49] I was expecting him to have like a zinger or something. Yeah, nothing. No, he just just meant to some info. There's a lot of office chat in this movie. The abyss, he just reads the shit off the monitor.

[01:39:58] Yeah, there's an alien and it's saying something like he doesn't do anything. It looks like it's in the abyss. But lots of office chat. Really like 80% of this movie is office chat. Yeah. It's like brightly lit rooms, Farina in a black suit, like looking stressed out.

[01:40:13] That's the thing I like is that like even though it's dealing with like these grotesque, like horrific murders, the office scenes have the exact same like aesthetic to them as like Beverly Hills cop.

[01:40:24] Like the first one where it's just like this is just like work a day thing. Like imagine like what greater horror than having this be your day job. Right. Although you get to scramble a lot of choppers and jets. Some good chopper action in this one. It's scrambling.

[01:40:38] I love the tatler. Just what a silly name for like. Tatling. Like oh, I can't wait to see what's been tattled this week. Tatling is bad. Awful. No one likes that tatler. Childish. And they also print the most obscure odd personals. Right. That's like avid fan. Right. Right.

[01:40:56] That's bizarre. But that's how you made your money in the 80s and the 80s print business. You had a tattle. Yeah. Serial killer personals. Yeah. So the whole system is cool of them realizing that's how they're communicating. That's cool.

[01:41:08] The moment where you realize the dollar hide and Lector like in communication is like. His dollar is like Lector. Cool guy. Yeah. I hear he eats them. I just bite. Recognize game. Yeah me, I just bite. He's just chewer. Right. Exactly. Chewer and he's an evil.

[01:41:25] So we're talking about the thing that we want to do. Yeah. We want to do a little bit of a detailed detail of like make sure the sign in the background is a little fuzzier because we want him to be able to make it out but not.

[01:41:34] Like not know. Make him think that we didn't want. Right. And then you know there's the denny one. I mean we've talked about this movie. We're fine right plot wide. I'm trying to think if there's anything else we've forgotten before the. A little less literal plotting.

[01:41:46] We covered the things. Yeah. I think those are the main things. Right. Yeah the break. Right. There's the big break in the shootout scene where some cops needlessly die because William Peterson rushes in by the way we see like some dude's brains or something.

[01:42:01] Yeah there's one really gory shooting death. Yeah. He's got a shotgun I want to say Michael man. Mm hmm. Correspond spent several years corresponding with an imprisoned murderer called Dennis Wayne Wallace which sounds like something Michael man would just do for kicks.

[01:42:15] And Wallace told him he was obsessed with a woman he didn't know and that iron butterfly song into God of David. Was like their song in his head. Like he and he told man this like I would always hear it if I

[01:42:27] saw her and some man was like cool cool cool gonna use in my movie. That's like that that's my Denny Mont. Do you have an idea what started that correspondence? Oh I'm probably just chatting. No I don't know. I don't know. I'm a big fan. Charlie Manson.

[01:42:42] Michael man was a big fan of his work. That's exactly it. I think you probably wrote to all the serial killers because you mentioned Hannibal had much build up as Avengers Endgame and the press and whatnot. Yeah I just want that Avengers of serial killers.

[01:42:57] Yeah Charlie Manson Hannibal is kind of a you know a fictional creation but let's say he's in there. Yeah I guess I mean well that's the thing would you want to go all fictional or would you want to go.

[01:43:08] How about a mix like maybe interesting you know Michael Myers maybe yeah fun guy. Well even less talkative I mean he'd be more of a like a root yeah and we can't do Jason Voorhees because he'd smell

[01:43:20] too much yeah and you're going on like sky carriers is that what they have? One of those things where like Jason feels a little more like monstery than Michael Myers which is right this is a very skilled serial killer.

[01:43:32] He could easily meet Hannibal in the site in the site what is it called asylum a psychiatric institute. Yes something else I just found out that I have to tell you they couldn't afford a fake plane for the plane scene so he just booked the plane.

[01:43:46] He booked the whole crew onto a plane like Chicago to Orlando and then when the plane took off they took out cameras and started filming and the stewardesses were like what are you do you can't do this. What they took it hostage that's insane that's amazing

[01:44:00] that's if you did that now Michael man would be in prison like they'd be like no no plane antics get low. Can I tell you guys I pitched this to David the other day talking about like big ultimate epic crossover team up movies we want to see.

[01:44:17] We're only two in but I think he's keeping a good pace and pretty soon we could get the ultimate team up movie of Nicholas Holt playing 20th century novelist. Oh yeah. Oh man. We've got Tolkien and we've got Salinger. He's working through them.

[01:44:32] So who should he play next? Wow. Elmore Leonard. Elron Hubbard. Elron Hubbard and Elmore Leonard. Only as a novelist. I want a movie that's just about him writing his novelist. What if Earth was the battlefield? There is like literally a scene in Tolkien where he like

[01:44:51] looks distantly into you know middle distance like a fellowship. Bad bad bad bad bad. He could play like Raymond Chandler and just be like oh wait what's that a gun. I saw a guy with a gun let's put that in my novel. Let me write 100 books. No Earth.

[01:45:09] No. No. Like balls and up through. Wait a second. Middle Earth. There's definitely a scene in Tolkien where he goes middle like he says that. Is there a ring thing in it? I mean he has to get married. He goes like with this ring. I the right.

[01:45:29] Sorry honey. Let's just say a goblin took my ring. He takes out his typewriter on the altar. That's why I'm not I haven't been wearing my wedding band because I golem took it. Sure. Let's just say that. Went into a volcano. I don't know what happened.

[01:45:44] I guess that's divorce. Does he get divorced by throwing his wedding ring into a volcano? Mount Doom was divorced. Mount Doom was divorced. Mount Doom was divorced. Yeah so yeah I don't know. Dollahide sees Joe Nel and Kissin someone goes nuts. Oh that's a great one.

[01:46:01] He puts it together. What's it you know Graham puts it all together. He's a film guy. He's seen the photos. He's seen the film before. He's pasted the house through that. He's the original 24 hour photo. Side of the photo. That's a great moment too just like the padlock.

[01:46:15] The pads. You added 23 hours to that. I overshot by a lot. What a bad business. One million hour photo. That's the sequel. Well I like about that scene before the before he takes Joan Allen. You're just in there's a freaking rocking song as strong as I am.

[01:46:36] Oh that song really. You see him literally pull the top of his car like off and I'm like I just assumed he was a string bean up until now. No he's super human. He's like a beast. The other thing we should talk about is especially if the dragon.

[01:46:53] Trying to get into dragon mode. I am the dragon. He has dragon energy. He does have big D. The fucking stocking over the head look. It's scary. Very scary. Yeah but has anyone been fooled by that? I could still make this guy out in a mug shot.

[01:47:09] Well if someone did that now I'd be like manhunter? Like if a serial killer had half stocking I'd be like oh Michael Mann. I love him. Clever reference. Yeah. Box office game. Oh well just want to say the shootout is cool. Yeah yes. I love a man shootout.

[01:47:27] I love his weird approach to gunshots with the sort of like stuttery kind of like approach to gunshots. Tom Noonan with a one-handed shotgun shot. That was wild. Yeah. Noonan, a zillion gallons of blood comes out of him right and there's that thing where he's lying. Yeah.

[01:47:41] He got stuck to the ground because it was so much fucking fake blood and he was like hot. They had to like peel the floor off with him. Let's play the box office game. Manhunter. Big flop. Came out August 15th sweaty. 1986. So I am like four months old.

[01:48:00] Wow. You have been born. I've not been born yet. It made 8.6 million dollars which yeah is not good. I'm three by the way. Me too. This is the first Dante Spinati which is like Mann's regular guy. Just another crazy thing that this film 30 years earlier unadjusted still

[01:48:18] out gross black hat. Yes, exactly. Black hat made less than 8.6. I loved black hat. I think I really most people tell me I am black hat honks. Yeah. Honks. Oh my god. It's so good. I love that. Now I got to wait two years to use it.

[01:48:36] It's cool now. Black hats great. No, black hat fucking rules. It is crazy. I was like that didn't do well right. I did like 15 and we looked it up like seven. It is so good. And people tell me on like 3,000 screens stirring Thor. That's insane.

[01:48:50] But people tell me I'm wrong. No, no, it's great. I'm glad to know that I'm right. No, I picked a honker. We'll get to it. But you definitely picked a honker. Here's the thing. You hear August 1986 you're like, oh that must have been like a trashy time

[01:49:04] for the movies right? August used to be a real dumping ground. Yes. Number one this weekend. He's going to guess the box office. And feel free to guess yourself with you if Griffin's struggling. He'll usually beat everyone to the punch. Number one is maybe my like favorite

[01:49:19] movie of this year. Wow. It's a horror movie. Is it Wayne Best Picture in your spreadsheet? No. David has a spreadsheet of who he would give the awards to every year and every year. Really? Can I see this one? Other people laugh. Yes, no.

[01:49:35] This secret is on my podcast. I don't know. I think an FBI profiler needs to take a look at you. Yeah, I probably do. No, maybe this is like a top movie. This is such a good movie. It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie.

[01:49:46] It's from a great director. Is it elevated horror? I know what it is. Is it a carpenter? It's the fly. Oh, I was going to guess what fly or carpenter or chronumber. What year is thing? 87? Things the same year as ET, isn't it? Oh, it's earlier. Is it 84?

[01:50:04] Let's find out. 82? 82. Wow. A lot earlier. Yeah. It's the fly. The fly opened this weekend. Manhunter opened against the fly. Is he your best actor winner? Yes. Cool. Okay. Thank God. Seven million. The fly opens number one. Number eight. People are not open to $2 million.

[01:50:25] Manhunter, no one wants to see that. The fly is so good. The fly? The fly is amazing. It's pretty good. It's an incredible movie. Then it was the one where I was like, oh, I'm definitely into this guy.

[01:50:38] I had seen a history of violence and I was like, that's really good. And then I went back and it was like, okay. I think fly was the first one of his. I saw it like when I was homesick from school on TV.

[01:50:50] And when I started watching in the first 30 minutes, I was like, oh, this must be different than that horror movie, The Fly. Right. I had seen the image of like the final creature and I was like, well, that couldn't be in this movie.

[01:51:03] This is some other movie that has the same title. And then when it started transforming into that movie, I was like, this is the greatest movie I've ever seen. Fly rolls. Number two at the box office is a comedy. It's also new this week.

[01:51:17] Comedy starring a Ben guy. Starring a Ben. Do you agree? Ben's laughing just looking at the title. I have not seen this film. No. Is it John Candy? It is. 87. Is it Who Is Harry Crumb? 86. It's not Who Is Harry Crumb. 86. Great Outdoors. Yes. Arm of the Dangerous.

[01:51:36] Correct. Is that Him and Levy? Him and Levy, Robert Lose, Young Made Ryan. It's good. Really? You should check it out, honestly. Are they cops? Like security guards. It's one of those classic, you know this actor? I know John Candy. He has a job! This job!

[01:51:52] Well, there's kind of a plot with waste management, I think. Yes, there is. Yeah. Honestly, check it out. At Guard Dog Security, John Candy is undercover. You thought the tagline was over? No, no. That was just the first sentence. Overdressed. That's the second sentence.

[01:52:09] And keeping you safe from the scum of the earth. It's got like a scarf? That is from the climatic sequence. Wow. In which he has to take over a big rig truck. Yes, it's a honker, dude. It's a honker. This one honks.

[01:52:23] Isn't Men in Black protecting you from scum of the universe? Yes. Very simple in taglines. Protecting you from the scum of the universe. Well, they ripped it off, I guess. I don't know this movie, but it opened Above Man Hunter. Wow. Finished with 15. Wow. All right.

[01:52:37] Number three is... I just quick, very tiny say attention. What keeps throwing me off. I keep on making jokes about Zachary Levi being a Jew, like in a prideful way. Like Shazam's a Jew, which he's like super fucking Christian, but it's because of Eugene Levy and Levi. Oh.

[01:52:54] I'm like, well, Levi's the ultimate Jew. Those names are so similar. He must be Jewish. Yeah. And then apparently he was one of those guys who would be like converting people on the set of Chuck. Yes, he's the Evangelical Christian.

[01:53:05] He was a guy where people would be like, hey, great take, Zach. And he's like, you want to know the secret to that take? I've accepted the Lord into my heart. Wow. He was one of those guys. Right. Yeah, I'd love to work at that.

[01:53:15] Yeah, I'd love to be a PA on that set. That would be so fun. It's like just let me fucking slice the bagels, Levi. I just slept one off. I'm sorry if you're not. Yeah. Number three is just another masterpiece of 1986. Truly?

[01:53:32] Yeah, we've covered it on this podcast. We've covered it on this podcast? We have. Wow, Ben's nodding effusively. I mean, it's good. Broadcast news? No, that's 87. That was a Christmas movie. You know, 85, 86, 87, I always get mushed up wrong. Sure. OK. That's acceptable. We've covered it on this podcast.

[01:53:52] Robocop's 87. The sequel. It's a sequel. Piranha 2, The Spawning. I'm joking. I know it's not. More successful sequel. We've covered it on this podcast. We also cover the first movie. No. Oh. Alien? No. Aliens and its fifth week has made $55 million. Another masterpiece.

[01:54:17] Number four, another sequel to the biggest hit of, I don't know, last year or whenever this fucking original one came out. We have not covered it on the podcast. But it's a big, it's one of the big movies of the 80s. Yeah, yes. Yes. Definitive 80s movie.

[01:54:33] And how the sequel did? Great, 115. And do they make another one? Hell yeah. They made a bunch. They made five overall if you can count like spin offs and reboots and shit. Count spin offs and reboots. That's what's tough. Is it a Rambo? No. Hmm. 86.

[01:54:50] Spin offs and reboots, he says. Would that be Dihert 2? Nope. Damn, nope. I think Dihert 1 is 87. No. Yeah. Spin offs and origin boots. Is it a star driven? No. Give me the genre, my friend. Kid movie. That's the genre. Kid movie with spin offs and reboots.

[01:55:15] This was the most successful. This was the biggest one. Which people kind of forget. It peaked at two. It's a kid franchise, spin offs and reboots. Is a kid the star? Yes, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's an older guy who's like the costar.

[01:55:39] This is a tough one. Chris is fucking bigfooting you right now. Older guy and the kid. And does the kid still work today? Barely. Okay. Only in nostalgia projects. I'm probably way off on the timing. Bad news bears too? Nope. It's not a Feldman.

[01:55:58] Think like a big deal. These movies were very successful. Endlessly parody. Sure. Endlessly parody. This is the biggest. Everyone's crying for it. But that's a bad clue because you would never remember that this was the biggest. Well, I mean me though. I might remember. Sure, you might.

[01:56:16] A kid and an older guy. Oh my God. Oh, oh, oh, I know exactly what it is. It's Karate Kid Part 2. That's right. The Karate Kid Part 2. I don't see the thing is I don't view him as a kid when I watch his movies. It's in the title.

[01:56:34] You're right, you're right. But I always looked up to Ralph Macho to this day still. Because I'm like maybe I could learn Karate. Number five. Hey, look, good hands. Yeah. You're doing good here. That's one of those weird ones where it's like touching the part of the elephant

[01:56:49] and trying to describe it. You describe any element of Karate Kid and it sounds like a different movie. And you would immediately know it too. Right. Yes. Number five is a movie that is the final film of a legend, but it also stars one of the most

[01:57:03] famous actors alive when he's like young. Is it Nothing in Common? Nothing in Common. Gary Marshall's Nothing in Common with Jackie Gleason. I was hoping I would get to describe the poster to you.

[01:57:15] Well, no, it's one of those movies where it's like two guys are looking at each other and they're not happy. Do you know why this movie seared into my brain? Why? It was a question at our trivia night that we used to go to a videology in Brooklyn,

[01:57:25] RIP. Yeah. It was the name of the film that stars Tom Hanks and Jackie Gleason. And I was like, oh, fuck. I'm remembering the poster. It's a pretty boring title. It's the two of them. They got the hats. They're staring off at each other.

[01:57:37] And I was like, what's it called? Oh, fuck. It's Nothing. It's not Nothing but Trouble. It's Not Nothing. And I was like trying. I was like, guys, help me. Everyone else was like, I have no idea what it is. And I was like, what is it?

[01:57:48] It's Nothing in Nothing. And then I turned to our friend, member of the team, Common Valkovsky. And I said, Nothing in Common. What is it? That's right. And it wasn't a joke. That's how I figured it out. His name is K-A-M-E-N.

[01:58:05] And by saying his name, I remembered the title. Nothing in Common. Nothing in Common. They have Nothing in Common, I guess. What's that movie about? That's about that. It's about that. It's about right. So that's your top five. Top Gun is still in there. A Ruthless People. Heartburn.

[01:58:20] It is shocking to me that Ruthless People made as much money as it did. It was just people. It did so well. Dude, is it the highest grossing of the Zuckers? Adjusted? I don't know. It made 174 adjusted, which is a lot for a Danny DeVito vehicle.

[01:58:37] But I think airplane might be unbeatable. Airplane made 280 million adjusted. Really? Wow. I mean also considered like all the money made off TV too, man. Airplane is still on TV nonstop. Naked Gun 2.5 made 186. Naked Gun 2.5 was... That's the biggest of the three? Huge.

[01:58:58] Is airplane the only spoof movie that has surpassed what it's spoofing? 100%. You know, like there's all those airport 77? Yeah. Yeah. I think yes. And what was it? Zero Hour? Is that the other thing? Yes, that's the movie. It's sort of specifically spoofing. Right. Yes.

[01:59:17] I mean I remember watching that as a kid and not having my parents were like, you like Mel Brooks, here's another parody movie. And I was like, this isn't parodying anything. Like any Mel Brooks movie I watched and I was like cool, sci-fi, horror, westerns.

[01:59:29] And I was like, this isn't a genre. What's a parodying? I remember like five huge movies, one of which was nominated for Best Picture. The 1970s airplane craze. A weird fucking sub job. Plane check dude. Plane check. Go through all of them.

[01:59:43] Oh, all the planes, all the airport movies. Yes, you can end with... Delta Force. I was going to say United 93. Oh. I'll never watch it. Delta Force? You'll never watch United 93? Is that a movie that you've avoided watching because it'll just freak you out too much?

[01:59:57] Wow, good movie. No thank you. Good movie I will never watch again. Well especially because everyone was like no but it's very realistic and I was like I'm backing further away. You're not helping this. It really captures what it would exactly be like to have that experience.

[02:00:10] Turn you into a Lars von Trier or a who did we say 7 hours ago? Mick G. I'm a Mick G basically. Yes. That's not true. You know the Great irony. Mick G afraid of flying also directed Pretty Fly for a White Guy music video.

[02:00:26] You know now that you say that it makes total sense stylistically, it's all there. It's true. We're done. We're done. Right? Wow. Final thoughts. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie.

[02:00:41] I feel like for production designers to get to design the serial killers home is really fun. Oh yeah. That must be like one of the best design jobs you can get.

[02:00:53] The other one I think of that I think is really well done is Stell and Sarsgard's weird murder basement in Girl with the Dragon Titan. I love that murder basement. It's a great murder. It's like very clean sort of IKEA.

[02:01:05] I just like thinking about that that the guy is like all right I love murder. I guess I'll have to design a whole basement. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And he makes it very clean. Like this is very like it's like a meat locker.

[02:01:16] It's like a science of lamb murder basement. That is one of the great murder. I mean you have a well you have a freaking insect place and your ministry on the back please insect place. I love dollar hides. I mean just like that 80s like cube glass brick.

[02:01:34] Yes. The moon light and the not the actual not the moon light from the moon but like this can't fight light that's a moon. It's got a moon on his wall and this fucking image. Yeah. And like Mars as well.

[02:01:48] It's just it's surprising for serial killer to be so into space and I like it. You like space? Maybe he thinks we'd all be better off up there. Guys got of a space.

[02:01:56] I do want to know how much the critics had their knives out for this movie because they think they were all just like fuck Miami Vice. We're sick of it. Yeah. You know I think people were over Miami Vice. Right.

[02:02:07] And everyone's read on man with style over substance. Exactly. So they were like over kill. Is the MTV director. That's the crazy thing is that they wrote him off his name. They were like I saw music and colors. In the pan. He was man G. Yeah.

[02:02:19] And like I shelly shella Benson at LA Times was like another well cast wasteland. But I'll say this Leonard Malton who liked the movie said it's gripping and it's surprisingly non exploited it. Wow. Which is kind of a good take on manhunter. Manhunter is too. Sure.

[02:02:37] I don't know. I feel like I saw you interview with could have definitely relished more in the killings and done all right. No, it kind of cuts away from all that wheelchair thing is very brief.

[02:02:45] You don't see him ripping off the guy's lips like any like which are all like those are elements in the book that he just sort of skims over. Especially compared to all the other Hannibal Lecter product. Right.

[02:02:54] And you also see you don't see the murder photos like in full until that quick shot of him on the airplane where the kid sees it. Right. Even so you're not seeing the worst of them. No. You're seeing very quick flashes.

[02:03:05] Yeah, no that is a that is a fair take from old Malty. Good job. Star of Gremlins 2. It seems like more of a VH1 director than it like on just surfaces alone. Yeah. Like on MTV like wow wow wow. Just like playing.

[02:03:17] This is this you know this MTV is very early and then you age it's like what we would think as VH1 would be early MTV I would think. I just think it's incredible that like when the man Otaurus always go like he doesn't make movies for kids.

[02:03:31] He makes movies about grown ups and when he was making these early movies everyone's like this guy's making fucking movies for kids. What's this kiddy bullshit? I guess that's right. That's how it goes. Yeah. I'm not going to buy man TV. On that note.

[02:03:47] On that note and this podcast. Finish it. We hate movies. Everyone should be listening. Yes, please do listen to our show. You could find us at WHMpodcast.com and wherever podcasts are available. I do want to quickly tease something if that's okay. Oh yes please. That's okay.

[02:04:05] People always ask this because we don't go out there very often but we are going to be doing a West Coast tour in November early November. Give a lot of heads up for all our West Coast. Do you have a name for your listeners? Is there like a...

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[02:05:07] Patreon, blank check bonus features where we do commentaries on franchises and I guess we're now committed to doing all of the airport movies someday. Sure, right yeah that's on the list now. Yeah. That should be the hopper. That's gonna be the next one after the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[02:05:23] The obvious next franchise to cover. It's like the 70s MCU basically. Yeah it was. Yeah come on. And as always, a handle like there's that.