Married to the Mob with Ang Ferraguto

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check God, you people work just like the Mob! There's no difference!

[00:00:25] Oh there's a big difference, Mr. Marko. The Mob is run by murdering, thieving, lying, cheating psychopaths. We work for the podcast. Such a good line. Now what's this thing you were burning to tell us? Alright, alright.

[00:00:40] So you're the one who's like, oh, Will Arnett, can you check his Kid Choice Award run for me there? Can you delve in the database? I knew he got nominated for Best Lead Actor in a Movie. I guess Kid Choice Award doesn't have support.

[00:00:53] I think it's a favorite movie performer or whatever. But for the Ninja Turtles movies, and I couldn't remember if he had been nominated for both or if he had won for one. He was nominated for both and won for neither.

[00:01:01] It is kind of absurd because he's in about two scenes of the second movie. So funny. He's so funny. So I'm looking at the 2017 awards when Will Arnett was nominated but lost to Chris Hemsworth for Ghostbusters for Favorite Movie Actor. Yeah, I mean a pretty great performance.

[00:01:17] The nominees is Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill both for Batman vs Superman and Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. for Civil War. Do you think a bunch of kids were like writing into Nickelodeon being like, please nominate Sadfleck. We love this performance.

[00:01:32] But then I was just looking around at some of the other categories. Here's one. This is the entire name of the category. I'm going to say it out loud. Hashtag squad. That's the whole category. Can I guess the nominees? With the K. No K. No K.

[00:01:48] There are six nominees for not even Best Hashtag Squad but just Hashtag Squad. Okay, so one of the nominees is the Ghostbusters. Correct. Are any of them MCU? One of them is. So do they do Team Cap or Team Iron Man? No, it's just Civil War.

[00:02:05] You're being too inventive. The Squad is a war? It's true. The Squad is very definitively divided in that movie. It's pointedly not a squad. They are not Hashtag Squad. Wait, what year is that? 2017, so the films of 2016. You know what my favorite squad is? World War I.

[00:02:21] Well here's some of the other Hashtag Squads. Okay, are they all movies? Is it Rogue One? Rogue One is one. Oh good. We're the Squad gets annihilated. They didn't even get to win the Kids' Choice Award. They only got nominated. Was the Suicide Squad nominated?

[00:02:38] No, which they should have been. Because it was that year. It rated on. Rated on. Yeah, okay. I would just like to point out the last time I was on for Josie and the Pussycat. The first 20 minutes are you guys talking about the Saturn Award? Saturn Award.

[00:02:51] That's right. So it's a great tradition. Great tradition. We're going to move through this, but the other nominees, well one obviously, what was the film when the Wheel of the Net was in? Oh, The Ninja Turtles. Full title please. Who had come out of the shadows.

[00:03:02] All right, well fair enough. And then you've got an ex. That film is called The Ninja Turtles, Colin. Who had come out of the shadows? Yeah, it was structured like a New York Times headline. And then X-Men. Which have come out of the shadows.

[00:03:16] X-Men Apocalypse, which I suppose they're a squad. Yeah, they're a squad. X-Men. Yeah, there's some teamwork in that one. And then the winners, Finding Dory. Is that a squad? Who they're counting as the squad? Here are the winners. Nemo, Marlon and Dory.

[00:03:28] I assume all these guys got blame. Hank? Ellen DeGeneres. Okay. Albert Brooks. Caitlin Olson. Who'd she play? Oh Destiny of course. Destiny. What's that? The Beluga Whale. Beluga Whale, okay. Hayden Rowlandt. What's she Beluga now I'm questioning. Okay, she was a whale anyway.

[00:03:43] Willem Dafoe, Ed O'Neill, Ty Burrell, and Eugene Levy. Okay, here's what's kind of absolutely bananas about this list. Okay? Run through that cast again and I'm going to just speed it up. DeGeneres. Dory herself, member of the squad. Albert Brooks. Marlon, member of the squad. Caitlin Olson.

[00:04:01] Destiny joins the squad. Okay, Hayden Rowlandt. I assume plays Nemo in a recasting. Must be right. Willem Dafoe, he's the guy. Has a cameo after the credits. Boy. Where he does not interact with any of the other characters mentioned here. Ed O'Neill.

[00:04:17] Hank is a reluctant member of the squad. Is he a blowfish or something? No, he's a septopus. He's an octopus who had one of his chemicals removed. He's a great character. He won Best Supporting Actor that year. Well this of course, this is Bailey who is probably my...

[00:04:32] I think Bailey's a Beluga. Anyway, he's probably my favorite character. And Eugene Levy. Eugene Levy plays Dory's dad and the entire movie is that she's trying to find her dad. He's not part of the squad. Who's the mom? Diane Keaton and they didn't include her. No, not nominated.

[00:04:46] Not part of the squad. Out of the squad. The otters should have been part of the squad. You think if there was Seinfeld episode about this? Episode? I mean about this category? Seinfeld would have gone out of the squad. She's out of the squad.

[00:04:58] The turtles ran the squad. What are you thinking? She thinks they were in the shadows. They were in the shadows. I'm hanging myself. Yeah, here she was. I'm going right now. Yeah, wrapping a cord around her neck. Self-murder happening here in the studio. Oh boy.

[00:05:10] Not part of the squad. Very rude to snub Diane Keaton. Very weird to put in Willem Dafoe. Maybe Diane Keaton did like a Candice Bergam where she was like, I've got enough blimps. No more blimps. Don't nominate me. The Larraket. Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:24] Oh, the Kids Choice Awards of course are voted on by children. But are nominated fully by adults. Who decides that? Yeah. I just remember one guy who's like, I don't know, who should be the squad? It's just like a heavy-sense sort of middle-aged guy.

[00:05:40] Sometimes it feels like they look at the box office or they ask their kids. And sometimes there are nominees that are totally inexplicable where like the Tooth Fairy, a film in its year did all right and I could imagine they would go, my kid liked that. Sure.

[00:05:56] And if you want to nominate the Rock for Fully a Purple. Right, makes total sense. But in what universe did a large enough number of kids, if pressed for question, answer? Did Tooth Fairy? No, Ashley Judd in the Tooth Fairy is my choice for best movie actress.

[00:06:12] Oh, she is good enough. But like, but you know what I'm saying? It sounds like she's pretty good at the movie. In your mind, I'm hoisted by my... Married to the Mob. This is the only year they did a hashtag squad. Is a movie.

[00:06:24] Married to the Mob, that's true. Married to the Squad. Married to the... Married to the Hashtag Squad. It is a squad. A mob is like a squad. Very much so. And yes, this is a movie about when, what happens when you leave the hashtag squad.

[00:06:35] And this is a podcast about... Not squad goals. Filmographies. Directors with massive success early on in their hashtag career. And they give it a series of hashtag blank checks and make whatever crazy hashtag passion products they want. And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they hashtag bounce baby.

[00:06:50] Hashtag baby. And this is a mini-series on the film, Jonathan Demi is called Stop Making Podcasts. That's right. And this is a first. This is the first time we've ever had a guest on the podcast who was named after the movie they're discussing. Right?

[00:07:06] As far as we know. Well, is anyone else even in contention? We'll look back over the episode. I'm trying to remember. Oh, Terminator 2 Johnson. I forgot that he was the guest on that episode. Right. I kid of course, Sam Ruggale.

[00:07:20] Katie Rich actually, her first name is actually collateral. Katie's her mental name, she just uses it. You know, right? Collateral Rich. Oh boy. Yeah, good reason to call dibs on the episode. Our guest today is Angie Ferraguto. Hello. Angela Ferraguto. Angie. Angie. Angie. Angie. Angie.

[00:07:42] You ever go by Angie? Whatever happened? I don't really. So my mom specifically, the one concern that she... So here's the story of how I was named. There we go. So my parents were trying to think of a name that went with Rose Ferraguto.

[00:07:57] Roses like my grandmother's name. So they knew that was going to be your middle name? Yeah. So they had middle name, last name, like ready to go. They had blank at the beginning. I have one more preamble question. Yes.

[00:08:10] This movie came out a handful of years before you were born. Were your parents together when this movie came out? Like did they see it together or did they get together? I don't know the first time they watched it necessarily. So they were watching this at home.

[00:08:23] So my mom's story was that they were like, they had a TV in their bedroom and they were just like watching it one night. And then I called them to like confirm yesterday and my dad was like, and then they went back and forth.

[00:08:36] Like no that wasn't in that place. It was like, was it in Worcester? Was it in Wuburn from Massachusetts? But basically the long story short is my mom was pregnant and they were watching this movie came on and then Michelle Fiverr's introduced this Angela.

[00:08:52] And my mom went, oh what a lovely sounding name. And the only pause is that she doesn't like the nickname Angie. But she was like, oh let me just call her Angie. Like Angie Dickinson right? I feel like that name was sort of Angie Jolie, that tramp. Yeah.

[00:09:07] Well I think she had like that. Angie Jolie. I'm named after Angie. They went Angie, that's what they say when she goes. Yeah it's not, very few people call me Angie. But like I like Angie. It's more of a, I feel like it's an older like.

[00:09:20] It is, yeah, yeah. My mom had like an Auntie Angie that was like not related at all. But she didn't love it. You owned Angie very well. I think. And you branded it very clearly where no one's going to call you Angie.

[00:09:30] No, I would never call you Angie. But it is like fun to do that voice when you're doing like excessive Italian shit. That was a percent. So yeah basically my parents were like, oh that's the name.

[00:09:39] And then for context too like my siblings names are Anthony and Maria. So we sound like we're on the cover of like a pasta box. All three of us. It would have been funny if they named your siblings after married to the mob character as well. Tony, Tony.

[00:09:53] My brother's name is Anthony. So Tony for example. There's no Maria. No Frank cucumber. Yeah. No, no cucumber. Cucumber for you now. Oh God. Cuc. Cuc. There's a reason his name is the cucumber. Because he's got a big old dick. I'd say. Is that what it is?

[00:10:11] Oh, because I thought it was, oh he's cool. Because no, because he said they were putting the cucumber to the woman that gets killed. I mean like, you know, I'm sure Alec Baldwin insisted on that line being inserted. No, I don't know.

[00:10:24] I have to put the cucumber to her. Just so all right. So marry to the mob. Okay, so you were raised with this knowledge of like this was a film I was named after. When you asked your parents they would be like it's this moment.

[00:10:35] Yeah, my brother, I think my mom just like it was like a, you know family name. And then Maria is like my mom's middle name and then me they just like liked the name. Angela, I never watched it. Like pretty much my whole life.

[00:10:48] I just knew I was named after married to the mob. Are you the third baby? I'm the middle. You're in the middle, okay. So what's funny too is that like I, my whole life I thought married to the mob was this like drama. Interesting.

[00:11:00] Sure, it sounds like it. About a mafia. Right, she's married to the mob. And like when you've seen Michelle Pfeiffer and stuff, she's always kind of like intense. Like you don't always think like comedy. She could be heavy. Sure.

[00:11:11] And then I think like a three years ago or something, I was taking a bus back to Boston and I downloaded it on my iPad for the ride. And I was like, this is not what I expected at all. So yesterday was the second time I've watched it.

[00:11:25] So like I'm named after this movie, but it's not like I do. Sure, I understand. Right? But you thought the definitive mob comedy was Mickey blue eyes. I had to get that out. I just like bringing up Mickey blue eyes. No, I don't know it. Oh, wait.

[00:11:40] You don't know the Mickey blue eyes? Mickey blue eyes is Hugh Grant. Hugh Grant. We love it. It was the same summer as Notting Hill, which is kind of crazy to think about. I like weirdly haven't seen like a lot of, so we saw Goodfellas.

[00:11:52] We saw Goodfellas, which you had never seen before. I had never seen it. Yeah. I think like just like my life was enough like Italian stereotypes. Right, you didn't want to see the mob movies. Yeah, I didn't like see Get Out or anything. But I...

[00:12:03] You haven't seen a lot of mob movies, right? Okay. I watched, I'm trying to think of like other, Moonstruck I would say is like my favorite like Italian. Well, that's the greatest Italian people in New York yell at each other. Yes.

[00:12:13] It's also maybe, maybe, maybe the greatest film ever made. I would say. I think it's up there. It's in the 10th. It's in my top on like litter box D. It's just like you just put it on and it's just, it's so good.

[00:12:24] I mean that movie, if you put it on near me, it's just me screaming at you like, oh, that line was so good too. Like that's what that movie is with me. Look at Cosmos Moon. That's like, Artie, or what, RPX? Yeah. Yeah, sure. What's the deal?

[00:12:37] Well, my favorite thing is like I've shown it to like, I remember showing it to my friends and being like this is one of my favorite romantic comedies. I asked my friend, I asked my hand. Johnny has his hands. Sorry, Karen. David had to get that out.

[00:12:50] He had to get that out. My friend dressed up as his best friend. But I told my friends like it's this beautiful romantic comedy. I love it. And then like the first 15 minutes are like this really shitty proposal with this like total schmuck. Yeah.

[00:13:03] Who's like talking about his mother and they're like, this is a love story. I'm like, don't worry about this part. Just like it'll get there. Do you know how old you get David? Nicholas Cage is in Moonstruck. No. This is one of those 23 years old.

[00:13:14] Look at my friend who dressed up as him. It's so good. That's really good. It's an incredible costume. That's, wow. So good. Have you seen Moonstruck, Manny? Yeah. It's been a while but I... Can you confirm this for me? I believe Nicholas Cage is 23 in Moonstruck.

[00:13:29] He's pretty young. And he's playing like 30. Yeah, he's playing older. Although he's supposed to be younger than her, I feel. Younger than her but she's probably 40 in that film. And he loves the fucking alpha. You're right, he's 23. That's insane, right? Of course, but it's Cage. I know.

[00:13:42] You can't fuck around. I know. The Cher though. It's that one. It's Cage throwing just heat and then of course Cher. Cher's so good. Snap out of it. Olivia Dukakis. Dukakis. Olivia Dukakis. Ayolo is amazing. John Mahoney is amazing.

[00:13:54] That scene where they go on the date is incredible. Like you know, he plays the other guy who goes... Oh yeah, yeah. And then just the whole dialogue. Which he explains to him like why all these young women don't work for him or whatever. Right, right. Yeah.

[00:14:11] And then the whole dialogue where she's like, why do men cheat on women? Uh-huh. Do you know the scene I'm talking about? I do. And Dany Ayolo is like, well, Adam's rib and maybe they want the... Sure.

[00:14:22] And she's like, yeah, but okay, why do they chase multiple women? And he's like, I don't know because they fear God. And she's like, that's it. That's the answer. And she's like, well, I don't know. And she's like, no. No, that's it. That's so good. And then strike.

[00:14:34] I have never been able to get into Moonstra. That's why I've been staying silent during this. Oh, I mean, I saw it on your face. I saw it at the Shade. It's beautiful.

[00:14:43] I have no criticisms of it, but I've watched it a couple times and every time I'm like, what am I not connecting with you? That movie's just a big bowl of pasta. It is. It's like a nice warm bowl.

[00:14:52] Whereas this movie is a little more like people sort of keep throwing pasta at you and you're like, oh my God! The more I sound, the more energetic. I like a pasta fight. Can I tell an anecdote about the downside of working on the Blank Check podcast?

[00:15:05] Sure, go ahead. So we get lunch at the Metrograph and then Ange and I go see. We had very serious work lunch and then Ange and I went to go see Goodfellas at the Metrograph. Ange had never seen it before.

[00:15:16] And a downside to working on this podcast and being friends with us idiots for years before seeing Goodfellas is when the Billy Bats scene started and sighed. The first time I said, go get your child, she went, ugh.

[00:15:31] You don't have all the many boxes that have advertised for her. At the end of it you were like, that is a great scene, but the second he said it you were like, here's the thing.

[00:15:38] I don't know if I did I sigh like that or I was just like, are we going to do it? Yeah, yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Yeah. Oh, Mary to the left. Well, no, I saw you in it. Why?

[00:15:49] I sighed because Griffin was like vibrating in his seat. I was so kidding. So you're not helping. It wasn't at the thing. What the fuck is going on? It is in and of itself an incredibly tense scene in a weird way.

[00:16:02] I didn't know when, I knew Shinebox has happened, but like the music cue is what sets Griffin off. And then so he like sits up in his seat and he's like reading from ear to ear and then

[00:16:14] like looking at me and then looking at the screen and I was like, okay, yeah, here we go. He's like you're kind of offended of, you know, Tanira's sort of like. Little bit, little bit, little bit. The best Tanira line reading of all time is little bit.

[00:16:26] Little bit. That's Alec Baldwin's entire Daniro impression is just a little bit. You've seen him do that, right? It's so good. Little bit, little bit. And then the Irishman, which will be out by the time this is like, is so many is that

[00:16:40] that scene so many times where it's like guys just kind of like getting on each other's nerves by the way they're talking to each other. Oh, that shit. I can't have each other's nerves a little bit. You also, you didn't know how that scene was going to end.

[00:16:52] Sure, it's sort of a shocking. You just know they're going to yell each other about sharing boxes. Yeah, no, I, yeah, what did I know about Goodfellas going into it? What, some Goodfellas? Really? No, yeah, some Goodfellas. Greatfellas if you ask me.

[00:17:02] I know Marty, but like I really, I knew about like the, like the needle drops and that they were good, but then like Sunshine of Your Love kicked in. I was like, oh, this movie is fucking great. Atlantis. Breaking, I just want to let you guys know.

[00:17:15] As they're kicking really bad to them. Having heard Goodfellas, good movie. Good movie. Good movie. Goodfellas more like Goodmommy. That's what they say at the end. That was at me half committing to a gene show. Half committing. One for.

[00:17:27] Had anyone spoiled the greatest shot in the history of cinema for you? Like I feel like, I like Goodfellas a lot. I'm not one of the, oh it belongs on Mount Rushmore people, but there are elements in it. Horrible opinions out of you today.

[00:17:42] Goodfellas goes on Mount Rushmore. I'm a big fan of Goodfellas. Goodfellas doesn't emotionally connect to it. He said it was bad and he spat on the ground when you said. My own. No Goodfellas, I think is a great movie. It's just not in my like top 10.

[00:17:57] Wait, what's the best shot? The best shot in the history of cinema is Paul Sorvino slicing the garlic in prison with a straight razor. There's nothing more erotic in the world to me than that shot. It is erotic. Just slicing the garlic real thin.

[00:18:12] That's my favorite, that is one of the, I love that movie. It's like maybe one of more, you know, basic opinions or whatever, but that movie's perfect. You know my favorite, first of all. After Hours. That's the most top five for me. The most griffin-y opinion.

[00:18:25] The movie I'm named after. Yeah, but that movie is perfect. It is, it's perfect. Yeah. So it's not Shark Tale. And you would love After Hours. As someone who goes out in New York City and ends up at

[00:18:36] a house party where you're the only person dressed as a Metro card, you'd love After Hours. You really would. My brother worked on The Irishman. So I've been like hearing about it for a hot minute. Yeah, her brother, Robert De Niro. My brother Robert De Niro.

[00:18:48] We're all related. All us Italians. What did your brother do on The Irishman? My brother's a grip. And so yeah, funny New York, I don't know. What was he holding onto? Film people. Is he mostly Boston based or is he working over there?

[00:19:03] No, he works in New York. Okay, yeah. So what is he doing? Shout out to Anthony. He will listen to this episode. Hold on to stuff? Yeah, yeah. Grip stuff. Real tight like. I never really fully understood.

[00:19:14] He just does a bunch of stuff, but he said Martin Scorsese was very nice like one time like just like walked up to him and was like, oh we haven't met yet. Let me introduce myself. I'm Marty and my brother was like, yeah, I fucking know your

[00:19:24] Martin Scorsese and the other. So they're two-faced and he shoved him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. He came down a set of stairs and he said, fuck Marvel. And then he stabbed my brother. I like you as much as Griffin likes Monstra. Fuck Marvel.

[00:19:43] It's just so funny that all of this is from Marty Gunglick. I don't like Marvel movies. I think that's okay. And everyone's like, wow. They're not my cup of tea. Also he was asked. I'm aware, yeah. It wasn't like he was like. We're not going to ask everybody.

[00:19:57] He held a press conference. It would be funny if he did hold a press conference. Yeah. Fuck Marvel. Yeah. They're not good films. So my brother would just send pictures. The pictures lack integrity. It's not cinema. Woo! That's funny. Your Marty's great.

[00:20:13] By January, this discourse will still be good. Yeah, of course. It'll probably go even more. Never die. It's never going to die. Yeah. 100%. People are going to start asking Marvel directors what they think of Marvel and they'll be like, oh yeah, not very good.

[00:20:26] We'll be at that stage. And then they'll respond to themselves criticizing their own movies. I think, yeah. Who is this guy? He directed a Marvel movie. He thinks he knows so much. He's just taiko-wai-tating, fighting with himself. Oh boy. It also is like the pushback to it.

[00:20:47] I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this. This isn't a controversial statement at all. People getting upset and being like, well fuck you, Scorsese! You aren't that hot anyway! Sure. Couple eyes saw Twix eat two farts. Like whatever.

[00:21:00] Like all of that discourse is just like perpetuating the problem which is treating it as Marvel movies versus everything else. Like this binary one versus one battle where it's like every other type of film is in

[00:21:14] hand-to-hand combat with Marvel, which is the exact thing Scorsese is saying is like it's a little unnerving how they've become all of film culture and then film culture is like fuck you! Your movies aren't shit! You got zero Thor movies!

[00:21:31] Yeah, Thor is not in one of these movies! How do they connect to the universe at all? If Martin Scorsese got to direct any Marvel superhero who should it be? A knight. Well I feel like Moonlight Man I took the go-to answer for anything right now. Defloy. Punisher.

[00:21:48] I will say Deadpool would want Scorsese to direct him and he would tell us. Right, he'd say like can you believe this guy has an Oscar? Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think, I feel like there has to be like a weirder deeper cut thing

[00:22:00] that Scorsese could do well. Scalibur. Yes, that's it. I know it's not. You'd be terrible. Alpha Flight. I've always wanted to see... Is there like an Italian Marvel character too? I'm also trying to think of this. That's what I'm trying to think. Captain Pasta. He should do...

[00:22:16] Of course, of course, Captain Pasta! We all know him. He should do the Hammerhead movie. They should do a Joker style solo film about the Spider-Man villain Hammerhead who is just a regular mob boss with a flat head that he can ram into things.

[00:22:30] I just looked up Italian superheroes. We have Punisher, Argent, Scorpion, Blue Shield. Frank Castle is Italian. Castiglione or whatever. Does Strega Nona count as an Italian superhero? She has powers. Yeah, let's get her in there. Yeah, yeah.

[00:22:48] She can control a pot of pasta and it overflows into a city. That would be bad. It's just because Anthony doesn't do the... Scorsese should direct a man thing movie. That's what he should do. You know he should direct great Italian character, Super Mario. Oh!

[00:23:02] David is holding his hands out like he just won the conversation. Because the first... The Italian superhero. He is. I mean, yeah. The one with Hoskins. The first 20 minutes of that are very moon-strucky. They're like in Brooklyn Heights and they're plumbers. Before they go to the fucking dinosaur...

[00:23:24] Did you just say the Super Mario movie is like a moon-struck? Of course I've seen that movie. The Brooklyn Heights stuff, it's great. You mean when they're doing like a dinosaur excavation in the middle of Brooklyn? Classic Italian activity! In the neighborhood, yeah, digging up dinosaur bones.

[00:23:41] God, that movie is so Italian. I mean, they cast the two most Italian-American actors ever. Bob Hoskins and John Legazama. Oh, God. Hoskins, he's good though. He's very good. Even though he was like I was drunk, stone drunk the whole time.

[00:23:56] It was the only way I could survive. It would be great for like Scorsese to just be like here's my fucking response. You guys want me to do a goddamn superhero movie? I'm doing Super Mario Brothers and then taking it dead serious. For illumination. Alright.

[00:24:13] Okay, so that's what's amiss. So speaking of sacred cows, do you want to talk about Shrek for five minutes? I wanted to talk about it for 30 minutes, but David said that is not allowed because obviously we do not stretch shit out on this podcast.

[00:24:27] Let's just say we spoke disparagingly about Shrek on the Spirit of the Way episode and it was our equivalent of Scorsese slamming my phone in the water. People went ballistic. And I will say by the time this episode comes out, it will have come out,

[00:24:41] but I've recorded an episode of Podcast the Ride. Oh, sure. I've got a great show. Trek 4D. Which I think is- In which you pooped all over it, I assume. Well, that Trek 4D is bad. It's a bad attraction.

[00:24:54] Shrek 4D is sort of the bottom of the barrel for it. It's a bad movie. It is inarguably the low point of the Shrek franchise in my eyes. But I tried to be a lot more even-handed because I recorded that episode after we had... After Reddit exploded.

[00:25:06] Yeah, after we were like, well Shrek's bad, right? Right. And then everyone was like- And then there was a reaction from people, I think sometimes maybe also we think generationally, right, people may be a little younger than us where Shrek was a little more in their adolescence.

[00:25:19] On Podcast the Ride, a crazy stat that I don't know if I've ever said on this show. I saw Shrek three times opening weekend. I saw it Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I was all in on Trek. Ben is making a perfect race.

[00:25:31] Well you were, I'm going to guess, 11 or 12? 12 or 13? Yeah, you're 12. 12, I would have been 12. You were only 12. I was like 9, 10. I was 15 and went on a date to see Shrek. To me that just tells the story, like, and just 9. Right, no, yeah. And Shrek is just like... Target.

[00:25:53] She's just like really interested in it. Crack of the bat. Griffin is a fucking little freak but he loves... You're in sixth grade? You're in sixth grade, you can go see a movie by yourself. It's pre-911. It is pre-911, that's true. We have to acknowledge that.

[00:26:09] Yeah, I probably just started seeing movies by myself. You're thinking about it more critically though. You're thinking about it three times. That feels like you have the agency to go see it. Because what parent is going to be like, yeah, sure, every night this weekend, let's do it.

[00:26:25] Can I speed round it for you? Friday, Bromley is what, 3 or 4? We take her after school to go see Shrek. Saturday there was a kid in my grade named Max Shrek. His birthday party was, let's all go see Shrek. That's poor child. Max Shrek from Nosferatu.

[00:26:41] And from Batman Returns. Batman Returns, his name is Max, right? No, but it's in homage to the character Nosferatu. Correct, his name was Max Shrek. And he went all in on the Shrek franchise. So we went to see... I feel like you kind of have to.

[00:26:54] You gotta be alright. This better be good. All credit to him. We're gonna be miserable. He owned it. He took what could've become a schoolyard taunt and was like, I'm buying the merch. I'm wearing the shirt. I'm Shrek, baby.

[00:27:09] And then that Sunday I was so hot on it, having seen it twice in two days. I said to my dad, Dad, we gotta go see the Shrek thing. This thing's phenomenal. You're gonna love it. Yeah, and my dad went masterpiece. I saw it on a bus.

[00:27:22] Cool, where was it going? It was parked. Ben was alone. We were screaming at a parked bus, though it was Ben's hometown. Had no wheels. It was like the bus and stranger things. There's a guy running on a treadmill that's hooked up to the parallel

[00:27:38] to get the movie going. If he gets tired, the movie goes like, ooh, and the VHS just stops running. It's just a toxic mentor running on the treadmill. Oh boy, he's on a bus. Yeah. Good times? I mean it was a good bus movie. Yeah, great bus movie.

[00:28:00] Is that the lowest category of a movie? It's not even a good plane movie, but you know what, good bus movie. I just wanted to make it clear. I'm going to let Anne do her some speech for sure. I just wanted to make it clear,

[00:28:11] I have recorded a full two and a half hour podcast in which I am far more sympathetic to Shrek and tried to be far more even-handed about it and explain my criticisms of it, but also explain that I used to love it

[00:28:22] and that I recognize that I like a lot of dumb shit that most people have grown out of. It is hilarious that we're talking like, you know, some political scandal. We have like a political political... Well, because I was like, oh, I guess I kind of disagree,

[00:28:36] and then like everyone blew up, and then I like got some responses, and I was like, oh, actually no, I think Shrek good. They galvanized you. And then I tweeted just like, oh, I'll defend it next time, and it got like a hundred.

[00:28:46] Everyone was like, fight for us, Angela. Fight for Shrek. So here it is, Blankies. I'm going to unroll a scroll. Go ahead. It was my pros and cons list. I did not prepare our notes. That would have been very shrekky of you though,

[00:29:00] to have a scroll with the gold timing writing on it. Well, speaking of scroll... And then you flushed the outhouse. All right, here's the thing. You guys point out the outhouse is like immediately like forts and poop, like down-grossed... She also flushes it.

[00:29:12] I can't wait to hear this counter argument. Yeah, okay. She's putting all her chips on the outhouse? Chips are in the middle of the table. Well, my argument, okay, but the whole point of the movie is that Shrek, the character,

[00:29:27] is so like just pushed to the edges of society because of these shitty fairy tales. So when he is reading this book of fairy tales, he's like, what a crock of shit. Like this is... I'm an ogre. Right. This is propaganda for the fancy nice looking people.

[00:29:47] It's fucking propaganda. No, I'm kind of into this thing. Yeah, but no, but he's... It's not just like, oh, we're going to make like a toilet sound. Like you instantly understand the character of Shrek is this is a monster who's like, I am treated like absolute dog shit

[00:30:04] because of books like these. And this is what I think of them. I'm going to wipe my ass with it. And then here we go. My whole character is just like, I'm fine on my own and fuck all these fairy tales. And then he gets pulled in

[00:30:16] and he has to face them head on. And then he goes through this really progressive story where, you know, he learns to connect with other people even though they see him as a monster, but they like, they cheer him on when he's in the like doolock,

[00:30:30] when he's fighting the woman just tells him to get the chair. And then there's a fucking Joan Jett cute, which is like, this is another point I like about the movie is like, this one really fucking great needle drops in Shrek. I was big into the Shrek soundtrack.

[00:30:43] Yeah, we all were. It had eels on it. I'm pretty sure I watched this on my birthday. So the thing about Shrek is like, it was like a big sleepover movie. My beloved monster and me. Yes, that one. Of course. I'm watching a clip.

[00:30:55] I forgot about this wrestling scene. Yeah. It's like a wrestling ring. Yeah. Which with bad reputation. Like Shrek one is very funny. The doolock song with the little doll sing. That's funny. I remember that. Yeah. I think they sing this little song and then they go like,

[00:31:11] keep off the grass, shine your shoes, wipe your face. Oh, face. It's face. And then when you're like nine, you're like, they were gonna say ass and it's fucking comedy gold. Other point I would like to make. Okay. So this is the theater with a bag of comedy.

[00:31:26] Well, I don't remember. Yes. I don't know. I think I saw in theaters, but I probably watched it like a thousand times. I remember like dancing on a couch with my friends to like All Star, whatever. The problem with Shrek is. I mean, this sounds very sweet.

[00:31:38] Yeah, it's like well. But I think the issue is like Shrek. Portrait of Childhood. You guys have been like, I think when you compare it to Spirited Away, which is a beautiful masterpiece. There's that. And then there's the element of All Star. It's just a fucking meme now

[00:31:52] and people forget that there's actually a good plot. But as the woman in the room. I would, yeah, here comes. She's playing a woman's card. Here comes the woman's card. She had to sort of go like flip it over. I mean, the first notice is just like

[00:32:09] you find out that the dragon is a woman. Yes. And she's attracted to a donkey, which is fun, but she's like a powerful female character. They have drunky babies. They have drunky babies, which like you don't even think about when you're a kid.

[00:32:22] You're just like, yeah, fucking, it's fun. It's donkeys with wings. And then, but I would like that. But the whole point of Fiona is every princess movie I had seen up until this point. Showing him a drunky. It's all perfectly flawless Disney princesses with flowing hair. Of course.

[00:32:38] And like maybe the beauties and like, I mean little mermaid. Very worth making fun of this. But like, yeah, little mermaid. Like she's like, Daddy, I love him. And you're like, you're 16 and you do have not spoken at all. And you have Fiona.

[00:32:50] And she did see him playing the guitar on that boat. So, or whatever. It was a loot. Whatever he's doing. But like, but Fiona is probably like the first female character I remember where her looks are not important. And at the end of the movie,

[00:33:06] she's like, oh God, I'm ugly again. And he's like, you're beautiful to me. It doesn't matter. It's like completely irrelevant. Ben has tears in his eyes. Now here's my counterpoint. I remember in Shrek 2, there's a scene where they have the gingerbread man and he's like wearing a thong

[00:33:23] and they mock him for wearing the thong. They're like, he's got a thong. And he says no, I don't. And I remember in the theater, right. And then they do. And they snap it. That's Shrek 2. That's Shrek 2. It's a different conversation David. And I remember in the theater,

[00:33:35] me being like, I can't be here. That's not a counterargument. You just don't like the thong joke. It doesn't take away the feminism and the beautiful love story of really, really, really. That's what they say to each other. There's fucking Otis Redding in there.

[00:33:54] No, I just, I think, I do think part of the people turning up, like if Shrek was just Shrek, I think people would more just, you know, if that movie just existed. People would be like, Shrek! This is another thing. The sequel's obvious.

[00:34:06] People got a little sick of the Shrek industrial complex. Shrek 2 is fine. There's the Katzenberg thing of just like milking every franchise down to the bone, where it's like every, like the fucking 4D attraction, five holiday specials and four sequels and a spinoff.

[00:34:22] Like just so much shit that devalues all of it. But other thing is, yes, I want to make clear, this is the one big retroactive correction I want to make clear. When I was like, no one likes Shrek, I wasn't saying it is impossible

[00:34:38] that one could like Shrek. The thing for me was, I felt like because of how prevalent Shrek memes have become on the internet, I took that incorrectly as a sign that the kids who grew up with Shrek don't like Shrek. Don't like make fun of it now.

[00:34:53] I was like, this is the same finale on SB movie where people are like, how fucking weird is it that we liked this when we were kids? Right. But I think when you like really dig into Shrek, I mean it's like a nice,

[00:35:03] if you just focus on the story, and just throw in the memes. And just throw in the first one, if you look just at the first one, there are... When Donkey is like, I'm blood. The winning point. And then he realizes he can't see color anyway. That's funny.

[00:35:15] When you said, milk it to the bone, you gave me an idea. Oh, of course I did. What about bone remakes where it'd be Shrek but bones now? Everyone's like skeletons and there's just a bone world. Is this tracking for anybody? Bone world, I kind of like.

[00:35:31] I kind of like... You can kind of sell any studio in any kind of world too. So like, you know, like it's in the bone world and they're like bone world. Bone universe. We can cross shit over. Wait a second, maybe this is my thing. Bone universe.

[00:35:42] The universal logo spins and turns into a rib cage. Yeah, let's work backwards in this way. But also the universal music is like someone banging on like a skeleton, like skeleton sign a bone you know? Dun dun dun dun dun. We have to stop talking about Shrek.

[00:35:59] I thought Ben's idea was going to be bone milk. Gross. Interesting though. Married to the mob. Married to the mob. The last movie you would expect is the film someone makes before Silence of the Lambs, right? I mean like... Silence of the Lambs obviously is coming up, masterpiece.

[00:36:21] This film also I think really, fantastic, fantastic film. Opening credits are like, you know, married to the mob and then there's like bullets that like riddle the mob part and it all falls down. Don't forget Hey Mombo Italian. Where right like you could show them that sliver

[00:36:45] and people be like, oh this is, is this a fence? I just remember my parents... Not only is this bad but... I remember my parents telling me it was a great movie when we like saw it on shelves at the video store

[00:36:55] and I was like that looks so fucking goofy. The cover yeah. The cover's so goofy, the title. Where she's sort of going like she's got her... Yeah. Well then the right there, no that's the poster. The poster's better. But then there's that cover where...

[00:37:08] That looks like a very old school kind of like madcap. The cover is like her big face. Well that's the shitty DVD cover of the Photoshop. Right, this sort of Scooby-Doo. But I'm saying the VHS cover I think was like that. Probably that, right?

[00:37:18] That poster and it just looks so broad and I was like you take that seriously as a movie and they were like yeah it's great and it is sort of the fascinating like juxtaposition of this movie in that it is so goofy and so ridiculous and so legitimately

[00:37:32] like artful and insightful and intelligent in so many ways. I guess you've got a lot of sort of mobby... Because Prissy's Honor is a couple years before. Like there, I guess that was sort of a mini trend in the 80s right?

[00:37:45] Like the kind of like broader mafia comedy. Yes. This is the era of John Gotti and like the mob being in the tabloids and being these kind of like cartoonish tabloid figures. But this movie is so sort of unpretentious. I mean this, yes.

[00:38:03] In a way that like it's something Prissy's Honor is like but there's like death. Yeah because that's like a John Huston movie right? That's a little more right. There's something kind of incredible. I mean this movie mostly comes out of Demi being like I need a hit.

[00:38:14] I guess so. Let's see what so he had made well he made something wild a couple years earlier and then he makes something to Cambodia and I guess something wild was not a big hit. Yeah and I think he felt the pressure of like

[00:38:26] I need to make like a commercial crossover. Right right right like a big sort of star driven... Yeah. Like broadly appealing comedy. And the film is kind of of a piece with something wild. I mean these two films feel connected and sort of sensibility and energy

[00:38:41] but it's almost like he's putting that energy onto like a much broader sort of cleaner hook. Yeah. Yeah. She's married to the mob. She's married to the mob. Is there an title? What if you were married to the mob? Interesting.

[00:38:54] What if there is a wife who is in the mob? Shhh. There you go. I mean we're done here. What if... Glyn Close. Remake married to the mob now. Who is almost half a wife too? This time she's married to the cucumber. Oh boy.

[00:39:09] Was someone else supposed to be playing the Michelle Pfeiffer role? Is that... I was looking at the IMDB if dude wants to pull it up. I thought they tried to get Tom Cruise for Matthew Maudine which is fucking funny. That would be...

[00:39:20] Maudine is so perfect for this movie. He gets great. He's like corn ball. Exactly. He's that guy. Right? That kind of like middle America sort of... Yes sir, man. You know, like that kind of a guy. The filmmakers did... And there's something a little off about him. Right.

[00:39:37] The filmmakers did six rewrites to convince Tom Cruise to play Mike. Cruise opted for Cocktail instead. Cocktail was a colossal hit so I guess... Yes. I can't really picture him in this. No it's weird too. Matthew Maudine is good. But Maudine... Okay. Maudine...

[00:39:53] Matthew Maudine said he initially didn't think that there was anything funny about the script. He has also said that he was depressed... He read it as a time of time. That I knew. Cool, he's coming off of Full Metal Jack. Directly off of it.

[00:40:02] Which is a really, I'm sure, really brutal film. Yeah, and it was like a 17 year shoot. Right. All Kubrick movies were. So he was probably... Yeah, he was probably really in his head. Emotionally broken and they were like... Hey, you know, you've got like socks in your bed

[00:40:15] and then you're... You know, there's like suspenders. You wake up like Pee Wee Herman. Yeah, right, you have a whole thing. It's fun. Okay. So we got... Let's talk about this. It is kind of fascinating how adjacent this feels to Pee Wee's big adventure. Interesting.

[00:40:31] Which is two years earlier and then this is the same year as Beetlejuice. To think of these two Baldwin performances at the beginning of his career. And then this film has a lot of actors that Burton goes on to use, like Olan Jones and Michelle Pfeiffer obviously.

[00:40:46] That's true. But there's something in sort of sensibility and the wildness of it and everything. This and something wild feel like they might have been part of the, you know... The stew of things that... I mean, he's a contemporary.

[00:41:01] You know, these films are happening at the same time that Burton is making his films, but... And then there's After Hours, initially a Burton project, also around now. This sort of madcap Manhattan comedies. These movies that feel very 1980s East Village. Yeah.

[00:41:16] Like Mary to the Mob looks like a two-boots pizzeria location. Hell yeah. It has those aesthetic. I love like she moved into a total shithole and a low-reside like imagine that shithole today. Right, but yeah, that's what I mean.

[00:41:28] I love old New York movies and 80s movies now count as very old New York. Oh my God, I just watched Chud recently. I fucking love it. So great. They're still around. They are. Underground. I read that I... I first saw this movie.

[00:41:43] I was at like a friend's house with my mom. It was like we had like a family dinner and then we would just put on the TV and this came out of my mom was like, oh, they're the good movie. I love Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah.

[00:41:52] And I was like, what is this? And then Baldwin shows up right at the start. Yeah. Looking... Looking fine. This is kind of the movie that I think... This is his like... David's doing a like, oh, sexy chef kiss.

[00:42:04] But I feel like this was the movie where everyone went, oh, this guy's a movie star. This guy could be in action here. He's had it for five whole minutes. Totally true. But he is so... But you see that sexy, sexy butt. He's so hot in it.

[00:42:14] His butt's compelling most. Right. He's the big supporting part that then like put him on the mat. Because he's great in Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is the total outlier in his career. It is. And this year, he's also in Working Girl. Like in Talk Radio. He's in a bunch of...

[00:42:26] This is his year. This is his year. This is his year when he's showing up everywhere. What a crazy year. And in two years from now you've got... Yeah, well, John Cusack. John Cusack. And Melanie Griffith is in Something World. Working Girl came out this year. Yes.

[00:42:37] But a couple of years he's in Hunford, October. Yeah. Like a couple of years Hollywood's like, yep. Yeah. You gotta be a leading man. Yeah. Handsome Man. For sure. Well...

[00:42:46] But it is the fact that this movie opens with him and he's kind of the fake out lead of the movie. 100%. The first couple of scenes proceed as if he's the character you're going to be following.

[00:42:56] Well, that's what's fun too is that it's this nice twist on like every mobster movie you've ever seen. The wife is just so like, oh, what are you doing? And then just like flushes away drugs. That's right. 100%. She's just totally screwed by the scenario.

[00:43:09] Only Demi would make a mob movie about women. Yeah. I mean not only... But you know what I mean? That way. And this is a film written by the two guys who then went on to write She Devil. Yes. Which is like a very, very broad kind of...

[00:43:21] Pretty wild to think that Meryl Streep made a comedy with Roseanne. Yeah. Like that came out. In which the two of them are fighting over Ed Bagley Jr. What? The conflict of the movie is these two women cannot let go of Ed Bagley Jr., Meryl Streep and Roseanne.

[00:43:38] That's bonkers. But you're like in another universe. And just looked up Ed Bagley Jr. did not look like a wow. What a poster. What a poster. Yeah. Good poster. Looks like she's going to eat Meryl Streep though. Looks like she's going to eat the dog.

[00:43:53] And we've talked about this too, but the reviews of She Devil are all like, well, we finally found the one thing that Meryl Streep can't do comedy. Right. They all were like book closed. Meryl Streep is funny. It became the book on her. Right.

[00:44:05] It was like right, she can't be funny. She cannot be funny. Imagine. Yeah. But yes, you imagine what their script looked like and you imagine what Demi took from it and worked with it. Right. Because these guys, let's say Barry Strugeots sounds like a secondary character from Good

[00:44:24] Bell and Mark R Burns, like She Devils are only other real big credit. Right. And yeah, they never really... Right. But you're like this is a broad 80s comedy. Orion, you know, I think... This is an Orion picture? Gave Demi some freedom. You got Michelle Pfeiffer.

[00:44:40] The same year as Dangerous Liaisons came out this year as well. So like she's also becoming a huge star, but she had been in the witches of Eastwick that you're before. So she's like, you know, and she's in Scarface. She's in Grease 2. Right?

[00:44:54] Like I mean, she was like an up and coming. She's the fucking best. She really is. I know every time... We all love Michelle P. You do. Every time she comes up, I just feel like I'm at a loss for words other than to say she's the best.

[00:45:06] But I just feel like she's constantly underrated even for how much people stand her. Right. It just feels like she never kind of gets the credit she deserves. She's always very exciting when you see her on screen.

[00:45:16] Like I was looking at our IMDb and I totally forgot about Mother. Yeah. And like how... I think we all forgot about Mother. She's the MBB of Mother, for sure. But she's so chilling. Like every line she says you're like fucking terrified. She's great in startups.

[00:45:28] I like Jennifer Lawrence, but she's like Michelle like kind of like... That's the movie. Boxes her out of that movie. Yeah. And she's one of those people who is just naturally very electric on camera, but she's also such an intelligent actor.

[00:45:43] She is so canny about how she like sinks herself with the tone of the movie around her and the material. Right. And she is one of those weird examples of like... And somehow it...

[00:45:54] She has made it work, but she's like a character actress in the body of a leading lady. Like she approaches her roles like a character actress, like a supporting actor. Yeah, sure. She happens to look like a movie star and she takes lead roles

[00:46:08] and makes them a lot more sort of esoteric than most people would. It doesn't feel like she ever approaches any role with the protectiveness. She's got a vulnerability. I feel like that's very... Like that's why fabulous Baker boy, she's so great in that. Batman Returns obviously.

[00:46:21] She's so wonderful in that. As Eddie Redmayne would say, a certain fragility. He might say two times in a regal first look. I also really like her in One Fine Day. I feel like you guys brought her up recently in that kind of like Brush it Off.

[00:46:35] I love One Fine Day. Oh, I did not brush off One Fine Day. How dare you? I would never brush off One Fine Day. The great film. The great film. Michael Hoffman's Great One Fine Day. That's the other thing is Michelle Fiverr's so funny.

[00:46:46] She's such a deft comedic actor. To me it's just, it's I Am Sam. That's where you're like... I guess she did have... No, no, yeah. That's the year after what lies beneath. After I Am Sam, her career was like really... Weird. Tatters and she barely made movies.

[00:47:02] And she did, it felt like an odd choice. Right, is that and then White O' Leander, then it's like a bunch of years off. She's good at it. A bunch of years off and then like, you know, like... You know, she's in Stardust. She's kind of funny.

[00:47:12] I think she's very good in Stardust. Yeah, she's good in Stardust. I think she's very good in Stardust. She's good in Hairspray. But those are like, you know, it's kind of like do one thing. Right. You know. Cherie doesn't exist. No. Then it's like New Year's Eve.

[00:47:23] I mean, dark shadows, she's really kind of lost her mind. Do you know who she hooks up with in New Year's Eve? I don't fucking know. Taylor Lautner. What? You were so close. She plays the mousey lady at the office that no one's ever noticed.

[00:47:35] She plays essentially, Silly and Kyle, 20 years later, she hadn't become Catwoman. Oh God, that's depressing. I feel like she's a little bit back now and maybe making a little more stuff. She's in Mr. Savieville. She is. I mean, spoiler alert, she kind of is the Mr. Savville. Cool.

[00:47:50] You know, Maleficent's not so bad. Yeah. She's all right. Yeah. Much like Shrek. You know, she's being judged by her looks. The opening of Maleficent. She's got horns and she's got those like lemon juicer cheeks. When you think about it, Maleficent is Shrek.

[00:48:04] Can I spoil the opening scene of Maleficent at Mistress of Evil? You saw it? Yes. Michelle Pfeiffer reads the book, reads the script for the first Maleficent and then goes, what a load of flushes and outhouse and kicks the door open. Yeah, that's what happens.

[00:48:20] Did you actually see it? No, I might go see it after that. I thought you were serious for like a lot of second. I'm not serious for that second. I'm trying to decide which one. It's a coin toss for me.

[00:48:31] So, in Married to the Mug, Michelle plays Angela DeMarco. She's married to Frank DeMarco, better known as the Cucumber, possibly because he's cool, possibly because he has a giant rod. Who is sort of like a lieutenant in the Mug. He shoots a guy on the train.

[00:48:50] He's a hit man. Yeah. Well, we're not going to brush over it. What a fucking sequence. Great sequence. First you got, e-mambu, mambu da. First you got that. Right. Which plays every time I walk into a room. You guys heard it. Yeah, so of course.

[00:49:11] We had to edit it out. E-mambu, mambu da, leano e-mambu da. And then yeah, it's on like the Long Island Railroad or whatever. It's like an iconic computer train. But you open with him and what's his name? The actor who Demi always uses who's so good.

[00:49:25] Wait, which one do you mean? Tom Hatter and Tommy. The right hand man with the weird sort of lazy eye. Paul Azar, yeah, right. With the cross-eyed. Who's in... Zonsalams. Zonsalams and Barry. Yeah, right. I was also thinking Charles Napier is another one, but he's the... The hairdresser.

[00:49:42] He's so good. For five seconds. But that's so good. But them on the track of the Long Island Railroad, the side of the track talking about meals, right? Yeah. It's... I always love it when a movie talks about a character before you meet them.

[00:50:02] Like preloads on some, not like an expectation, but like this is how the rest of the world views them. And it's like you immediately know something about Angela even though you haven't solved it from the fact that she said they weren't available for dinner and Baldwin's angry at

[00:50:17] that and the guy's already like, yeah. It was a good dinner. You missed the dinner. Right. That everyone's like, what's her weird sort of like... I go to the dinners. Skittishness around... Kimmastina. But then this fucking... God's... This train murder sequence is like...

[00:50:32] Also they just like a snoring sound effect after they pull his head back. It's so good. Who's snoring there? I don't know. It's like the final air leaving his body. Yeah. I like the blood dripping out of his eye personally.

[00:50:44] And the flickering red as they're like going through the tunnel. Yeah. It's so stylish and it's like that feels like this little step of like Sansa Lam's coming through. Like that sort of like thriller muscle he's got in.

[00:50:56] And then New Wave song starts playing and they like dance all this up. And then we cut to the hair salon. Yes. Yeah. Angela got a haircut, but she feels on weed. She feels malaise. Yes. She's spiritually bereft. And all the other wives...

[00:51:13] She's part of a system of murder and graft. And the other wives judge her because they can tell that she doesn't feel correct. She'll say, better than them. What? You think you're better than me? Yeah. That's basically right? She thinks her shit don't stink. Exactly.

[00:51:26] But you got Q-Sack, you got Oland zones, you got the other actress I'm forgetting. And then you got fucking Mercedes Rolls. And then you got Mercedes... No Nancy's Travis is the one who gets murdered. Oh that's right, that's right. Now can we talk about the costumes? Yes.

[00:51:38] Oh man. The holly netwood. The sweaters. The sweaters. The looks that are on screen are so amazing. Yeah. And just comforting to me as like someone who grew up in the 90s. I remember these looks and I remember hairspray driven hairstyles. It's just so cool. Very big hair.

[00:51:58] I don't think that this will come back around in the sense of like, you know, fashion sort of like is repeated but maybe it will. But man was that a cool time. There's a credit at the end that is hair designed by which is so specific.

[00:52:12] It's not hairstyling. It's just someone drying like a little cloud around Michelle Piper's head. They've all got their own looks too. But Ben you don't need to tell me about the nostalgia you feel watching this movie.

[00:52:22] This is a film that takes place late 80s East Village and you're talking to downtown griffing noobs themselves. Baby. I'm in the pocket washing this movie. Right, yeah. Clinton and Rivington that's where it is. Yeah. That's her where her tenement is.

[00:52:38] God that is such an awful part of the city. Currently right now it's sort of right. Do you want to hate rich people? Go there. It's a bunch of rich awful people. Right, yeah. But yes this and something while some people are nice.

[00:52:52] Are both so clearly in that post swing shift post stop making sense. That's it. I'm going to have fun every movie I work on. Right. Like and and. Post swing shift only with the people he likes. Right. Who wants to work with.

[00:53:04] But also this movie feels like fun. Like you're watching like a visualization of fun. It's my boat. Right? But even when like heavy shits happening like the costumes being that bright and the soundtrack choices. The motel is like the most fun. And all their performances are so play.

[00:53:19] You're like right why isn't the motel medieval themed? Like everything in this movie is kind of why not. Why isn't there a piano player that starts playing Tony the Tiger as soon as he works it?

[00:53:29] Right, why doesn't Mo Dean have like weird devices he uses to put on all of his clothing items? That but then also right just the I mean the fun it has. Well we're going to keep talking. Yeah. But right this movie is just like infectiously fun.

[00:53:42] But it doesn't feel showy in a weird way because it is so unpretentious. To Mo Dean's characters that like the first or like early eccentric detective kind of type character.

[00:53:53] In a modern way I mean I feel like eccentric detectives at this point are like you know a lot more haunted. Okay. Or rumpel. Sure. You know you got your Columbus your alcoholics or you're like they got a weird.

[00:54:07] They don't join like acapella groups when they're trying to try and women. I just fucking love that. The joke of Mo Dean just saying sincerely along with them is so good. It's so funny. That's my favorite of the million Modine disguises.

[00:54:23] I mean that montage at the end where he sees him walk through the door over and over again and different is fabulous. But so good.

[00:54:30] Yes, but yeah, but yes, I mean it's like the sort of like the Scooby-Doo-esque disguise of like Scooby-Doo can put on a mustache in a chef's hat and the monster will be convinced that he's you know like you know like an Italian pizza maker.

[00:54:42] The way everyone takes it at face value. All the cops are absurd in this movie. They growl at Tony they're like oh wait till Tony shows up and then they growl and then there's no explanation for why they do that. That feels like Demi being like try this.

[00:54:55] Yes. And then it's funny and he's like we're just gonna do it. We're just gonna put that in the movie. And you got a bunch of... Flat and Modine right. You have a bunch of actors who are like at the early stages of their career. 100%.

[00:55:05] Having done enough that they're starting to feel comfortable. Right. And they're not big enough that they have anything to lose like letting go and he's just encouraging all of them to have fun in everything. Really playing in this. But then and then you have Michelle. Yeah.

[00:55:17] Who is so like such a beating heart right? Like she's so raw and she's so lovable. Yeah. You're on a fucking side. Well so Baldwin comes home. Yep. And she's sort of in the midst of what has clearly been a years long... Depressive sort of breakdown.

[00:55:34] About like this whole fucking life is gross to me. And he's sort of... Everything fell off the truck. Right. The house. He's got a gun and a drawer. Such an awful... The like plastic on the furniture. Like marble columns. And just...

[00:55:47] And then when Tony gives her the table with the like the crazy... Like brass. Like bronze. Yeah. Like glass. It's so cheesy. It's real classy. And like a... That must have been such a fun movie to like... A design right?

[00:56:01] To like go to those stores and buy that. Like what's the tackiest piece of furniture you have basically? It's nice to watch a mob movie where no one is genuinely stylish. Like other than Baldwin arguably. I mean... Stockwell in the white suit with the hat.

[00:56:14] He's got a look. Yeah. It's a look. It's a Miami look. It's kind of grounded. It's kind of grounded. The airport. He's popping a little bit. But he's got some... We're like Team Popwell. Oh boy. Pop very well.

[00:56:26] Stockwell is also a very interesting career because he was a child star. Yes. And like... There's a little cutie patootie. There he is. Like a big, big child star. And his biggest sort of like credit in a way was The Boy with the Green Hair.

[00:56:41] Which was this very early counterculture film. Like a 1950s like RKO almost on its face issues drama. But that is about a boy who wakes up one day and his hair is bright green. And everyone in town starts treating him like a pariah.

[00:56:56] And he can't figure out how to reverse it. What a weird plot. It's a very weird plot. And it's like... That's a whole premise. That was the other movie. Well yeah. But... Of course later he would become society's biggest f***. For the Prince of Crime. Well of course.

[00:57:12] Yeah, of course that bit is retired and then... Oh sorry, sorry. Retired bit. But it was a film that got sort of like reclaimed in punk culture. Like on TV and VHS in the 70s and 80s as like this fun kind of proto-punk thing

[00:57:27] because it is about like... At a time where it then dyed hair became cool. For sure, for sure, for sure. And then like he becomes... I don't know, like a real junkie supporting actor for a long time. And f***ing quantum leaf. Well then he gets quantum leaf.

[00:57:41] But he has like a full 15 years where he's like he'll be in anything. And he's talked about it. He's in like a Robert Forster kind of like film. 100%. But then it's like David Lynch reclaims him. I mean he's incredible in blue velvet. Yes. That's an incredible film.

[00:57:56] So he's the guy singing in blue velvet with the makeup. Oh man. Is that the most amazing performance? And that's kind of the first time someone like... Well he's in Dune 1st. He's Dr. Yoann.

[00:58:07] But Lynch was the first guy to really kind of like reclaim him in a postmodern way. He's also in Paris, Texas, which he's very good in. Oh I forgot. Of course he's so f***ing good in that. So good in that.

[00:58:17] And then I forget when quantum leaf begins. 89. So it's the year after this. He gets the Oscar nomination for this. Yeah. Which is, I mean this is the year that he's also in Tucker, the man in the stream playing Howard Hughes.

[00:58:30] Which he got a bunch of critics awards for as well. So he was just, he had like a really hot year. Yeah. And so I guess the Oscar nomination is one of those like what a year you've had. You're an actor we all know kind of...

[00:58:41] What a great first movie. He's good in this movie. But it's kind of a surprising nomination. Kind of. Like he's not that broad. Like he's not that silly. He's good. But it's a pretty great film. I agree. He's just f***ing good. Yeah.

[00:58:53] And then Sadie's rule is more the sort of big broad performance. Which she got a bunch of critics nominations kind of surprising she didn't get the nomination for this. Yeah, I wonder what the story is.

[00:59:01] And to some degree it feels like her winning for The Fisher King is like well she's been good for like so long. She's good in everything. Right and in retrospect kind of a weird win. Right. Yeah. She's good at that. She's very good at that.

[00:59:13] I mean she's a very good actor. She's very good in hustlers. She is. But it is weird that she wins for The Fisher King, a film which otherwise is not much of an Oscar player and then pretty much retires from acting. She does.

[00:59:24] The 88 supporting actress lineup is insanely stacked. So does Pfeiffer get in? Pfeiffer for Dangerous Liaisons. Yeah. Joan Cusack and Sigourney Weaver for Working Girl. Right. Two great performances. Right. And everyone thought Weaver would win. Yeah. But she didn't. Frances McDormand for Mississippi Burning.

[00:59:41] Because this is the same girl as the Misty year. And then I was nodding. And then Gina Davis who wins for the external tour. Which was sort of a surprise. Right. She was very eloquent. But I think she split the vote.

[00:59:51] It is crazy that Sigourney Weaver has not been nominated in 30 years. Does she have an award? No. Doesn't have an Oscar. She's one of them. The big like still hasn't won. Right. She gets nominated three times in the 80s including twice in this one year. Right.

[01:00:06] And everyone was like, well it's a matter of time. It's gotta happen and then it just. And she never gets nominated again. Yeah. She struggled to find a feel like that sort of oscarie role. Right. Like you know what I mean? Galaxy question. Huh? Yeah. I don't know.

[01:00:20] Okay. I don't know what Galaxy question is. I'm not sure. You're not sure. I'm not sure. I don't think so. I'm not sure. I think she's nominated already. I think she's nominated. And I'm so glad. I'm not sure. But I think that's good.

[01:00:32] So I think you should have been nominated for the ice storm. Well, I think she's not my favorite from that one, but she's good. She's not my favorite either, but I think she should have been nominated. She's good. She's good in everything. Dave, she rules and Dave.

[01:00:41] Oh, she rules and Dave. Love Dave. Love Dave. And look at Dave. Well, you are looking at Dave. You know, Kevin Klein, the president, he gets a stroke or whatever, and so they get a guy who looks exactly like him to pretend to be him.

[01:00:54] But he's nice, whereas the president was mean, both played by Kevin Klein. And they don't want him to say anything, they want to just use him as like the public face while like Franklin Gala. Then he starts taking over the country.

[01:01:04] He realizes he's got the power of the platform, the microphone. Even if his cabinet doesn't listen to him because they know he's a phony, he can get out in front of the public and say shit, move the needle.

[01:01:13] He can just tweet and people will believe what I'm saying. Let me say this, to the James Newton Howard score for Dave, slap. Slap. Listen to it. All the time. For a second I thought you guys were talking about Meet Dave. No, but that soundtrack also slaps.

[01:01:26] Oh, does it? What's on Meet Dave? Uh, I'm okay. Can we play this game? I want to guess who did the score for Meet Dave. I got it down to two guesses. If you get this, I'll be astonished. Is it David Newman? No. Is it John Devney? Yes.

[01:01:44] I knew it was one of the two. You are a weird guy. I'm disappointed I picked the wrong one first. It would have been for our present. It's still 9-1-1? Oh boy. Oh boy, oh boy. Now can you tell me John?

[01:02:03] David actually took out his phone and looked at it. The cops are outside. They're banging on the door. For a bonus, you know, ten years in jail, can you tell me the only Oscar nomination in John Devney's career? The only nomination in Devney's career. That's a great question.

[01:02:20] It is. Can you give me the year? Is that too much for him? 2000, I think four. 2000. It was the movie. The movie came out in 2004. Wow. If you got Devney, got a nom. You did get a nom. So 2004 you have- Big hit movie. Is it live action?

[01:02:38] Yes, very much so. And was it an Oscar play or otherwise? Three tech nods. Three tech nods. Make up music cinematography. Well, it's not series of unfortunate events. No. That does get nominated, right? Is it based on a true story? Well, it's in dispute, but some would say.

[01:02:57] It is. It's based on a true story. Did they say that? Nothing. They should. Inspired by true events. It's in dispute? No, I mean like it's, I mean there is the, this certainly happened in history. A lot of the sort of periphery around it is in dispute.

[01:03:15] I wrote that. It's a matter of debate, I guess. I wrote that. He's a wild guess. It was the first movie that came up when I looked up 2004 movies. 2004 in film, of course we all know. I wrote that. 2004. Passion of the Christ. We got option.

[01:03:32] She just said it. She just said it. Wow. She said it. Passion of the Christ. I'm guessing, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanted to let you have that. I remember that he did the score for that. Why would you? Mostly a mid-level studio company guy.

[01:03:44] I think of him as a Disney guy, like a real B-list Disney guy. That's why I knew he was probably the Meet Dave guy, because it's like, you got a limited budget and broad yucks and a comedy star who's like ten years past being edgy, higher Devney.

[01:03:58] Yeah, crazy. Anyway, that was a fun digression. Beautiful digression. Thank you, Griffin, for asking if you did the score for me. I feel like Passion of the Christ has been, like was on like a box office game before.

[01:04:14] We'll criticize it and everyone will get mad at us again probably. Yeah, I don't know. Shrek's better than Passion of the Christ. Shrek's better than Jesus as we all know. Like that's a joke. It's sort of like a galaxy brain. Shrek 2001 is better than the Passion of Christ.

[01:04:31] Shrek is better than Jesus. It is that crazy stat that like now everyone's, I mean we're recording this in October. Yes, that's true. Coming out in January, but everyone's talking now about the fact that a retired bit just beat... Deadpool. For the highest... Who shouldn't retire. R rated.

[01:04:53] Yes. The highest R rated worldwide, I believe. Because domestic it is still Passion of the Christ and is unlikely to be toppled anytime soon. Yeah, right. I mean they really planted that cross firm. I know, that was offensive. I'm sorry to Jesus. Jesus Christ. Okay.

[01:05:11] Married to the mob. Not sorry to Mel Gibson though. Take that. And just uncomfortable with your lifestyle. In Jella. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a movie I was like me? This show. You're comfortable with your lifestyle and she thinks so. What? You're comfortable with your lifestyle. That's fine.

[01:05:27] You're doing fine. But this episode, mildly uncomfortable. No, it's fine. I'm not joking. I can take it. Yeah, okay. So Angie, yes. She feels, she knows it's bad. She knows it's bad. There's a scene where the kid casually gets the gun out of the drawer. That's not great.

[01:05:43] He's playing three card Monty with... Like 10 year old children. I assume that's Tony's kid, right? The sort of boss kid. Tony Jr. And there's that joke, Alec Baldwin who barely has any line readings in this movie.

[01:05:52] Just nails when he's like how much you make and he's like 12 bucks. He's like not bad. I think he says pretty good school. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. Yeah. He looks unbelievable. Baldwin? Yeah. Because he needs that dirtbag thing. Now, what you say about Beetlejuice is true.

[01:06:08] That's a total outlier or none of that's president and he's incredible. But like classic Baldwin, right? You need to be like, oh yeah, this guy's kind of a douchebag, right? It is weird for how much he is so fundamentally Irish, how well he plays Italian. Oh yeah.

[01:06:22] And how well he looks the parts. 100%. Yeah. But I mean, that's another thing that's sort of funny is like, I can't imagine Dean Stockwell's Italian. Absolutely not. He's like a Hollywood guy. Right. He's from, yeah. I, Mercedes Rule is very New York. Yes.

[01:06:39] But she's like German and Irish I think that she's got. Is she not Jewish? No, she's not Jewish. Wow. There are no Italians in this. This is what I'm saying, right? Isn't that nuts? And you compare to like Fendin?

[01:06:48] When we saw Goodfellas recently, it's kind of crazy watching Goodfellas on a big screen and in almost every single scene there's someone in the background who at least had a five episode arc on Soprano. Yes. All of the Sopranos cast.

[01:07:00] Mickey Blue Eyes is the one where actually it has the same cast as the Sopranos. They basically just made them in tandem. Right. And in this, it's like who do you get to play the old sort of patriarch of the mafia? Oh, grandpa Munster. Yeah, right.

[01:07:13] Fred Gwynne, right. Yeah. Not Fred Gwynne. Al Dahlio. Right. Yes. Fred Gwynne is in, he's in another Demi movie. My cousin Vinny. My cousin Vinny is the judge. No, he's in another movie though. Fuck. I have to look it up. But no Italians in the movie. I do.

[01:07:27] Right. Michelle Fiver is not Italian. No. Joan Cusack is not Italian. No. None of these sound like Italian names. She's a Chicago girl. Yeah. I think she's Chicago Irish. Yeah. So I guess it's zero for zero. Right. Yeah, or zero for 10 or whatever. Yeah.

[01:07:43] I mean, it's funny how much he is like simultaneously having everyone play like very broad stereotypes and also kind of avoiding them. Right. You know what? No, I was fatal attraction. I just watched fatal attraction, which he's in bizarrely. He's like Michael Douglas's boss.

[01:07:59] I was like, oh, I don't know about this. He didn't play the ram. A little too tall. He shouldn't murder me. So pretty quickly things go south. You've got the big sequence at the motel slash medieval times slash mistress fuck

[01:08:17] palace like what is this movie's entire philosophy is like why not? Why not make everything as interesting as it could possibly be? Can I point out actually so like on the bed? I think you only see it in the end credit scene.

[01:08:28] It's like the play on like Vinny Vidi Vici, like I came, I saw a conquered and then on the bed it just says like Vinny, Vinny, Vinny. So it's just a came, I came. Wow. That's that's fun. That's funny. That's fucking fun. That's some good decor sex humor.

[01:08:44] A little bit. A little bit. And you got, you know, the introduction of the tiger and his white suit. Which Gary Goatsman doesn't impromptu song or maybe the song he demands a song every time he walks in no phony baloney. He's just all played Tony, the tiger. Yeah.

[01:09:01] Tony tips on and then you got Nancy Travis who dies immediately gets fucked then gets fucked. Correct. Right. Kind of I mean, you know, I get it being an actor is weird and hard, but it is one

[01:09:15] of those weird things to in perspective go like this movie comes out a year after three men and a baby is the highest grossing film of its year. Right. And Nancy Travis is in this movie essentially to take her top off and get shot in the head.

[01:09:26] But like they probably made it before probably that's the answer. That movie came out like three minutes maybe came out like seven months earlier or whatever. Oh, it was end of the year. Yeah. It was a Thanksgiving. She filmed them back to back. Yeah.

[01:09:39] And that was her first role. Yeah. That's her first screen. That's crazy. Yeah. And she's such a big part in that movie makes all of the money. It did. Yeah. So but yeah, I mean it's a brutal. It's brutal. Yeah. That's Stockwell's killing Baldwin and cold blood.

[01:09:55] Well, that's the. I loved you like a father. The Demi tonal balance. You disappointed the shit out of me. Yeah. The Demi tonal balance thing is that he's able to have like real stakes in this movie like violence that is upsetting without it being gory. Right.

[01:10:11] You know where there's no actual. No real emotional intensity though. There's an emotional intensity to every shooting in this film. Yes. So it doesn't feel flippant in a movie that is so flippant about other things.

[01:10:22] But it is also still like can we all of it is still somewhat comedic. Totally. Yeah. But that's like never like let's go to that sort of route. It's the weird element of this movie kind of being perfect training for

[01:10:34] Sounds of the Lambs because Sounds of the Lambs he just has learned all the muscles of how to like control that dial. So specifically even if it's in different directions, you know they are right next to each other. So you know. Yeah.

[01:10:47] Matthew Maudine felt there wasn't anything funny about the script. He said that there's all of her Platts debut. This is the first Platypus. He's really good. He is good. Platypus. Yeah. The Platypus himself. Like in the M and all the cops are in their bathing suits. Yeah.

[01:11:02] I like all of that just maybe I'm a sucker for that. I love that joke where it's like you've got to a new scene and then there they are and they're in their bell hop uniform this time. I always think that's fun. And that everyone always buys it.

[01:11:13] They always like fully integrate themselves into the environment. At one point he's like working on the plane too. Yes, right. Yes. The officer of the drink. Right. It's almost like he can't help himself. He doesn't even need to sometimes but he can't help himself.

[01:11:29] He just he's always got like the spare uniform. What are you looking at? The other actor I want to talk about in the supporting cast here because after I watched this movie and I couldn't fall asleep, I was looking for another comedy to watch

[01:11:42] to calm down my brain on Hulu. Your brain was on Hulu? My brain was on Hulu so I switched over to Netflix. No, I was on Hulu looking for another comedy with a temperament that might calm me down and I watched Bull Durham which I'd never seen before.

[01:11:58] You'd never seen Bull Durham? Kind of a crazy blind spot for me. I guess the sports had maybe kept you out of that one. I think so. Sure. But that's barely a sports movie. That's a fucking great sex movie.

[01:12:08] But it also is so much about baseball and is one of the few movies that makes me appreciate baseball. That movie has a romanticism for baseball that like moneyball makes me go, wait do I love baseball? Well that's the thing about baseball.

[01:12:18] It's so good for movies because you know, League of their own. League of their own. Dead masterpieces. You got a field of dreams. You've got the natural eight men out. Love. Eight men out. Bull Durham. Space Jam. Major league. One and two. Major league makes Ben cry.

[01:12:34] It's crazy also. Most of these movies. Let's go fucking win the thing. That gets me going. Yeah. Most of these movies are in the 80s. Like the 80s were just incredible for baseball. Dramas, comedies, fantasies, period. Modern generation lines up perfectly like all those

[01:12:48] filmmakers had grown up with baseball like, you know, as like the sport before America had many sports that it cared about. Yes. There is something so fundamentally about the time before sports. It was really like his big baseball. It was baseball and then like in the 50s and

[01:13:03] 60s people say, oh, what about basketball and football? We could think about these and people are all right. Okay. New fangled, they put the ball in the hoop crazy. And then hockey. Then it got hockey. Trey Wilson. Now is she love UFC. Yeah, right now. Feel the punches.

[01:13:19] Now it's just filmed murder. America's favorite sport. The reason I'm bringing this up is that Trey Wilson, who is a fascinating character actor career, his first credit is in 1976. He dies in 1989. Okay. At the age of 40. Okay. He plays the, why am I fucking blanking on his

[01:13:45] character position here? He's like the chief in this regional director Franklin. He also plays the manager of the team in Boulder. He is also Nathan Arizona and raising Arizona. Right. He has this like incredible run for like a couple years there, which he dies right at

[01:14:03] the end of. He dies a year after this film at the age of 40. He's also in twins and great balls of fire. He dies of a cerebral hemorrhage. And if I had to define what made him interesting as an actor, it's that he always

[01:14:15] looked like he was about to have a cerebral hemorrhage. Like he's always playing these guys who are like right at their wits and like I'm going to fucking fire you. He does not look like a good 40 in this movie. No, no, he's 40 years old and he

[01:14:27] always looks like he's about to like top of vein. Yeah. And his like brain explodes a year later. Jesus Christ. I'm not trying to be grar about it, but it's kind of a fascinating career and he was like a beautiful like character actor type. Yes. Love him.

[01:14:42] Love that guy. Yes. What? Two scenes in this? How many scenes in this? Couple. He's got a couple. Is he the one who says the line? Yes. He's the killer line. Yeah. And then also the racist as fuck line right before it. Oh, you mean the immigration thing?

[01:14:59] Yes. So bad. I know that this guy's the bad guy. Right. I mean, that's a defendant, but like 100% that's the idea. These guys are fucking creeps. Right. Like that one thing I love about this movie, Modine's no like Modine's a nerd. Yes. He's not particularly a hero.

[01:15:16] So far. Not really rooting for them to win. I don't give a shit. I guess I mean, Stockwell is bad. You don't want him to hurt Angela. Right. You want Angela to be okay, but this is not a movie about like everyone's kind of fucking her over

[01:15:29] no matter what. 100% She meets this nice guy in the elevator and it turns out She's addicted to the patriarchy, yes. Right. He's trying to pin her So they can get to Tony. They're two authoritarian systems like run by men. Right. And like the second That hurt women.

[01:15:42] Tony pops the cucumber. Sure. He's like at the funeral he's like okay great. And he like basically just grabs her to make out with her. Exactly. But that's also like your mind now. The weird power of and who knows how much this was intentional in Demi's part

[01:15:55] but casting like a floppy haired golden retriever of a man who also was in the grips of Cuba PTSD and depression means like you have a guy who's trying to do the like goofiest most charming performance in the world where there's something weirdly haunted about. He's weird.

[01:16:13] He's not playing that at all but it's just a Nate in his bloodstream at this point. I'm such a sucker for for a good modine. What else do I like? What are some other good modines? I mean I like, you know and the band played on.

[01:16:24] I haven't seen that in a long time. I'm trying to think of other good modines though. What was he in recently? I mean recently he was in Stranger Things which kind of like brought him back after he popped up in the Dark Knight Rise.

[01:16:35] Oh, he's in that pirate movie. Cut the Red Island? Yes. I watched that many times as a child. Interesting. I think it was like a weird family favorite. He ran for president of Screen Actors Guild and made like a joke about they said why are you

[01:16:52] the most qualified for this job? And he said because I'm in the dark age. Matty! What the hell? And then he went like you can't joke about things these days and then he Yeah but come on look at his Wikipedia profile picture. I mean that's a good photo.

[01:17:06] It's got a bandana. It's got a bandana and a jean jacket. Yeah, that's hall man. It's a choice. Yeah, so she's in trouble because Tony's putting the moves on her. The wives don't like her. Modine's already said her husband's dead. He gets the photos and Modine

[01:17:22] I love that he's so shitty about this and he's like judging Pfeiffer. Yeah, but who's the Bimbo? Right, yeah. He's like this tramp already. She's already moving up the ladder, right? Right, right, right. This Hussie is our key. We're gonna use her as bait

[01:17:36] to get Mercedes Roll to flip on Tony. Right. Yeah. Mercedes Roll, she's scary. When she... Well, she's the only person that makes Tony sweat. Yeah. Which is great. But oh, the eggs. Why don't you get a leash at Denial Five? It's a good line. Such a good line.

[01:17:54] The flea collar. She says I'll get a flea collar. They're trying to do as much grocery store insults as they can. But I love the like targeting of the women they each ram into in the idol. Oh my God, it's so good. They're terrifying.

[01:18:06] So she packs up her shit in a little U-Haul and gets the fuck out of there. Donates her entire house to Goodwill. I love that's not just she goes to Goodwill like take everything out of here but she goes, the house is yours too. Right.

[01:18:18] And moves to a tenement on the lorry side with a bathtub in the kitchen with her kid who kind of vanishes from the movie after that. She basically just like puts them in school. No longer a contract. Puts them in a hole. Yeah. Like she goes to Miami.

[01:18:31] I'm like, do they explain to us watching the kid here? No, they do. They show the hairdresser. Yeah, they do. They show the hairdresser as an example. It's a throwaway. They do, they do a dress. They wave out the window for two whole seconds. Exactly.

[01:18:41] And the hairdresser does not get deported, luckily. But that's another thing this film is about which is like the mob, the FBI and the mob wives are all similar forces in her life. Right. That are just people. Controlling. Controlling, asking her to behave more like them

[01:18:57] or how they want her to behave. When's Modine is doing that thing that is sort of reading from her file? Sure. And he's like, yeah, she went to Bayside High one semester at beauty school. College education none. She's a moron. Right. Like he's saying it cruelly

[01:19:11] but also you're like, right, she just got like sucked into this. She had a kid and then she's just stuck. Right. But it's a sympathetic list. Just like every mob wife, if you watch good fellas that's exactly what happens there. I've seen in good fellas where Lorraine Braco,

[01:19:23] I mean one thing I love about good fellas is that Lorraine Braco will just take over the narration for a while. Yeah. Where she's just like, these women are ugly. They look terrible. They don't talk about anything. Like I'm supposed to hang out with them?

[01:19:35] Like this is all I can do? Right. I love that so much. But then she just comes back to like, oh my husband's so sexy though. So here I am. Yep. She's just like that. But this larger thing that the movie is about

[01:19:46] which is like it is so difficult to change one's life. Yeah. It is so difficult to remake yourself. And she is in like a particularly extreme example because of these three larger forces that are constantly circling. She's married to the mob. She's married to the mob

[01:20:00] and that's a little bit of a spoiler. But that is, I feel like that's where Demi is sort of like real empathy for the character comes through and that's just like, it's tough for anyone. Right. So she moves to Lorraine's side.

[01:20:14] She, well this is what I was gonna say. Just trying to, yeah, yeah. She's married to the mob. She's married to the mob and that's a spoiler. Mambo tell ya. Mambo tell ya. But in a certain way it feels like

[01:20:28] this is the story of like a girl getting out of college and like moving to the city and trying to make it on her own. Except this is someone who has already lived another life. Right. Full of like regret. Just wanted to. And she's trying to reset, rebuild.

[01:20:41] And she's got these larger forces circling her. But there's like a real sort of like innocent earnestness to her want of something. She wants to go straight too. Yes. She really wants to really earn money. What she's saying to the kid

[01:20:55] was she's like we're gonna have a life we're gonna be proud of. Right. One of my favorite moments too is when she's job hunting and she has like no luck and then she sees the guy playing with spoons. And like you know they're broke. I love all this.

[01:21:07] I love a spoon man. There you are. Oh boy. Shout out to my mutual. She's dropped but she's broke. They live in a crappy apartment. She throws money in and then that's the guy who's like oh this place is hiring next door.

[01:21:19] And obviously it turns out to be a nightmare which like same my first restaurant job was a nightmare. How do we feel about the peepin? Peepin bit in general. You are the peeper. I am the peeper. We haven't acknowledged it in a couple episodes

[01:21:34] but you are the peeper. Yeah I'm the peeper. I am the peeper. I got that nickname. You have a chicken frame in your home. What's that? You're a meat lover too. Yes. Yes and he has a chicken frame. No I'm saying Ben is

[01:21:44] but then you were saying he has a chicken frame. I was like oh yeah I've been Ben's house right. When I pig sat and I can't sit for pig you have like that big painting of a chicken with an eye hole. Yes. So you have a pig pee.

[01:22:00] You're a meat lover and a peeper. He peeps into his own home. Yeah he peeps into his kitchen though he just wants to see what's for breakfast. Right. No yeah no no. You're bothered. There's good peepin and bad peepin and this is bad peepin. Bad peepin.

[01:22:13] This one goes in the bad peepin category. But I do think the aesthetic of the eye hole in a painting is kind of fun. Right because it's such a classic against Scooby Doo guys. Yeah. They all like. Ooh. Yeah right.

[01:22:26] But I also get these shots that remind me very much of violence with the lambs of the like leering kind of gazes. That's fair. Yeah yeah yeah. Tracy Walter another Demi regular. Yes. And also another retired bit regular. Sure. Right hand man of the retired bit.

[01:22:45] In in well I don't we can say. I mean Bob the goon. Yes Bob the goon. Bob the goon is not retired. No he's not retired. How long until one of others makes a Bob the goon project? I'm all for it. Let's do it.

[01:22:58] Come on who's a good Bob the goon these days. Who's this generation's Tracy Walter. It might be Tracy Walter still. Bring him back. Yeah. It's like a Nick Offerman type. Yeah. That's that's this generation's Tracy Walter. Yeah. But he's peepin. It's a bad peepin. Bad peepin.

[01:23:14] Well that whole scene is that whole sequence the whole job. And I love all that New York you know color and care right like in there right just the idea right there's going to be a guy doing spoons on a corner who like know something like all like

[01:23:25] everything's fun and that's where you have Matthew Modine doing the do. Sure which is like a lovely delayed joke. I filmed it on my phone because I love it so much. And then he's in he's like basically he's in chicken like

[01:23:39] and she throws a milkshake and then he turns people sort of clapped. One job if I were ever to be in a movie the one job I would want is like the woman who's just like you tell him girl. Yeah. You get them. Yeah. It was great.

[01:23:54] They sure are. You mess with all of us. Green goblin. Yes. But I love chicken. Look at the green goblin. OK. I love the uniform. I love the uniform. Yeah. I love the inner bag. Her weird captains. Like with like the. I'm a sucker for epilates.

[01:24:10] That's where I'm like. It's so weirdly formal. Yes. I love all the sort of theater he does of trying to sell her on the idea that no one's looking like oversells. Well close the door. Lock the door. Yes. Carton for your privacy madame.

[01:24:27] But then the fact that she just like he's like well give me the uniform back and she's like fuck you and then spends the next 20 minutes wearing just this like half the password. Weird captains jacket over a bra. She works at she's Michelle. She's fucking flavor.

[01:24:42] There's a thing the podcast that I guys talk about a lot. It's not unique to them but it's something I'd never heard of before them and now I think about a lot which is this principle with theme parks of kinetic energy that the

[01:24:55] thing that separates like a six flags where we went. Are we talking about MCU movies right now? No. Sorry I wasn't paying attention. No. I do. Great adventure. What a thing. I like six likes better than Disneyland. It seems like a scorching hot take.

[01:25:10] I've never been to do this kind of ruin the exact thing I was about to say. Oh, crap. Finish what you're saying. You went to Galaxy's Edge. The second thing I spoiled for you today. You went to Galaxy's Edge. Yes I did. Oh you did. That's right.

[01:25:23] You're the only Galaxy's Edger. Yeah. Yeah you're on the edge. I was edgy. You've edged. You've gone straight edge. Did you enjoy it? I, Galaxy's Edge was fun. It's so funny. I felt like David in six flags. Wow. Wow. I've never been before?

[01:25:41] Well I had to, I have never been to Disneyland. I've been to Disney World. Okay. I have not been to Disney World since I was 18. David is taking out. I'm holding some Haribo. Sour Haribo with real intensity. So the thing about Disney is well because Star Galaxy's

[01:25:53] Edge is still pretty brand new you have to like book things that you want to do. Right. So what we did, we just set wind up. It's a little involved. Right and I haven't been to Disney where I've had to plan my day. You know what I mean?

[01:26:05] Yeah. And so this is the first time where I went with my friend Holland and we were, yeah it was just the kind of, it was counterintuitive to like the magic of Disney where we're like we have to book this time slot and if we want to do

[01:26:16] that and then Magic Kingdom, it was like Halloween weekend and like Adventureland or whatever was closing by seven and we wanted to go on the Tower of Terror, aka Guardians of the Galaxy ride which was like the only good thing over there.

[01:26:28] So we went over there and then it was closing. So then we went over to the other part. Did you not get to go on it? No I got to go on it. It was just like a 45 minute wait and I think the waiting was rough. Waiting's rough.

[01:26:37] That ride, that ride pretty fucking great. No it's still fucking great. It's a funny ride. But it was just like a lot of like zinging and zagging and like we didn't game this system as well as we should have.

[01:26:48] It feels like something you more have to plan for. I would recommend. I would just like if you just sort of walked up and we were like all right. Right, exactly. Because we're trying to plan a trip. The lines were the most fun.

[01:26:56] I mean the things I would suggest are if you're going to do Galaxy's Edge is to book it for maybe like the end of the day because we also, so we did the Quintina which was like packed still. Sure.

[01:27:06] But it was fun but it was also like I don't know you're trying to like drink but we haven't really eaten and we're trying to figure that out. And then I... What were the space drinks like? They were, I mean I had the milk and it was

[01:27:18] like kind of warm. I feel like I'm not going to hang it. But that was not alcoholic right? No yeah it didn't feel like drinking at like 2pm. No my friend did it was good. Yeah that sounds cool. Yeah the other drinks were like good and full booze.

[01:27:30] One comes in a pork. Right I was going to say there's like a pork tiki glass? Yeah. Okay and you get to keep it? Yes. It costs like $35 to $40. I'm there. She didn't even say the price in your soul. That's why it cost $40.

[01:27:44] Yeah Ames tell me how much I'm spending. Right well I mean I spent $200 on a of course. Lightsaber. Of course. So I would recommend... One must. So the thing you can do is I built a lightsaber it's very much like the make your own wand experience in which

[01:27:59] they literally tell you like it's cool because there's like jet eyes in there and they're telling you how it works. But then they're also like oh some say the crystal chooses the Jedi I'm like that's fucking Harry Potter and you know it but whatever.

[01:28:11] They have tried a little bit of that in like the cartoons or whatever like that you like search for your crystal like give me a break. Yeah yeah yeah. Get out of here. You take a color. But at the same time though.

[01:28:21] No you close your eyes they have you close your eyes and then you like think about the color that you like they describe like which characters have had each color. Okay. And then they get to purple and because I was personally between blue

[01:28:32] and purple and then but when they got to purple they were like you know like it's different and unique and special and then the only less Mace Windu and I was like yeah I'm gonna fucking get purple. Yeah here's alright we're all Star Wars fans here we haven't

[01:28:45] talked about Star War but by the time this episode is out it'll just come out. That is insane to think about. Yeah. And we will be ready to... Throw out a hot prediction based on what we're talking about. Yeah. There's no way it doesn't end with a

[01:28:56] new lightsaber color right? No. Like I understand that every lightsaber color has been like debuted in the cartoons but in the movies we've still only had little red, green and purple. I think Rey is gonna make her own. And then I feel like it ends with

[01:29:06] Rey with like a fucking gold lightsaber right? Stripes. Stripes. Stripes. Like a peppermint. Like the barbershop thing kind of rotates. Doesn't that just feel like the kind of thing Abrams is like we know we gotta do that. Yeah. You think that's gonna be like

[01:29:20] the final episode of the Star Wars? Yeah. Like that's gonna be like the final image or you think that's gonna be revealing in the final fight or something? Rey sort of right, exactly. Because she's rebuilt his lightsaber right? Doesn't she have like a cobble back together?

[01:29:33] Well right now she has... I'm trying to even remember what the status of her lightsaber is. Well the lightsaber that's split in half is Luke's. She has the pieces. So she has the pieces. So it's presumed that she will use that so maybe it'll be

[01:29:44] blue and something striped. Yeah. Right? I just feel like they haven't gone to that well in a while because the new movies were very much like... Yeah. Well let's get back to the classics. Right. But now it's time for a yellow lightsaber. I'm saying yellow because that

[01:29:59] just feels like the color they haven't done. Yellow or orange? Yeah. Even orange is a little too reddish. My prediction is I can fin and ray kiss on the mouth. It won't happen but I'm just gonna speak it into existence. I love it. They're so cute in Forza

[01:30:11] Wacons. I don't... They're adorable and so I just... For context I went into the last Jedi with my friend Ashley and she likes Kyler Red and Ray. You went in with Ray hair? With Ray hair. You did the Ray hair. I have Ray buns and a Ray

[01:30:24] stand and then it gets to the like, here you guys have bracelets that tell you where each other are and I'm like they're connected across the fucking galaxy and then she fucking force connects with Kylo the whole movie and I just slowly deteriorate while my friend's just glowing

[01:30:40] beside me and I was like, fuck you. So I'm praying JJ... You think you're bad at me? Yeah. You think you're bad at me? Yeah. I like to make a prediction. And now I love that movie. I think the discourse surrounding the new film will be pleasant.

[01:30:55] We all love discourse. We all love discourse. Zero percent exhaustive. Measures. It'll definitely be measured. That's actually true. He's right about that. And very chill. I went down a rabbit hole of watching Bad Faith. You know they now call themselves the fandom menace?

[01:31:14] I have been doing it so much less. Fandom menace. They call themselves the fandom menace. Woo! Yeah, go ahead. Give me some credit. I have been doing this far less than I usually do because usually every time I see you, I tell you 18 bad things I've seen

[01:31:30] online and you say, why are you exposing yourself to these things? You haven't done that in a while. I've not been doing that for a while. And I was watching the Star Wars trailer and then YouTube as they are want to do started recommending Bad Faith.

[01:31:42] Right, they recommend like fandom menace. Last time I was bad and then that recommends to you, I assume like why Donald Trump will make America great again and that recommends, right? And by the way, I do think he probably is the president that God chose.

[01:31:54] I've seen a couple videos that changed my mind. But I just, all it took was three videos and I realized I was wrong. I was too easily triggered before. But someone should take me away in an ambulance. I was watching these bad videos

[01:32:09] and these guys keep on making these like grand swiping statements like nobody actually likes Ray. What? And I'm like, you cannot like Star Wars but to act like she is universally agreed upon as a failure of a character like it was the response to Jar Jar

[01:32:26] is so wildly incorrect. It's just banana. Yeah, cause they haven't met me. Yeah. Ray fucking rules. Ray fucking rules. Ray is the greatest. Tons of people love Ray. I understand tons of people don't like Ray who also don't like their mothers. Go talk to your mother.

[01:32:39] Go talk to your mother. Love Ray, I hope that it all works out in the movie. I don't know. That's our Star Wars prediction. Is all gonna work out? I think it probably is, I guess. I guess that's sort of true.

[01:32:52] I mean, Kylo, I guess he's the one where you know where the tips fall. Can it say that in like the Star Wars font at the end of the movie? Just like, it met it all worked out. Just scrolled. Oh boy. I'm weirdly unexcited for that movie

[01:33:05] except that I like love Star Wars. That's my thing. I'm like, hey, it's Star Wars. I'm like, hey, it's Star Wars. I do appreciate that I still don't really know anything based off the trailers. Which is really abram smooth.

[01:33:16] Because that's how I felt going into the last Jedi. And then I actually didn't really even love the last Jedi like after the first watch. No, after the first watch. Because it was three hours long and I was like, that was so much.

[01:33:26] And then I saw the second time and I was like, this is the greatest to ever exist. I think I am so weary of the discourse. I'm afraid of how measured it is going to be that that dampens my excitement somewhat.

[01:33:41] But also every time I see a trailer, I remember that Star Wars is the fucking coolest. And when I sit there and watch it, I'm going to have a grand old time. We're all gonna have a grand old time. I got the tickets in my pocket.

[01:33:52] Throw it in a hole. Paper tickets. They're right here. Paper? I was telling, you got paper tickets? I'll explain all of that. And you keep them in every jean pocket. You bring them with you every day. I was saying to David, the most asshole move possible would be

[01:34:08] like the person who's like, I don't want to have to share a row with anyone on the airplane. So I'm buying the seats next to me. If you just bought out five seats for opening night at Star Wars. You just sat by yourself?

[01:34:18] Just so you didn't have to sit next to anyone else. God. They sold out pretty quick. Anyway, that's what I did. I got five seats for each of us. Great. Right. I bought like 60 seats. Yes. Wait. Five seats for the five people in this room. No.

[01:34:31] David, Ben, Griffin, and Ben's red boy here on the desk. He gets his own chair. Can we get him like a little tiny box of popcorn? Of course. Ben's little red boy. There is the red boy. Ben's looking at his red boy and he's beaming.

[01:34:43] He's like, father to me with the red boy. I know like the red boys probably won't come back because they're going to do nights of red, but like I want that. Well, but they have their fucking synth troopers. The synth troopers. The troopers are red. Red troopers.

[01:34:54] They're like combined. They're the new red boys slash old red boys. Right. But as long as we've got red boys represented. Hey, maybe we'll get a new car. Maybe we'll get a new color of storm boy. That's what that is. That's what that is.

[01:35:07] I'm seeing red now what? Oh, sure. Like a light vapor. Frost trooper or you know, forest. Well, we had forest. I want glow in the dark troopers. I want troopers with milk, plastic. And then you turn on the lights. Bright green. Crazy. Yeah. So, married to the mom.

[01:35:25] She gets the job, but she gets the hairdressing job. Hey, Mombo. Mombo, Taliazno. Hey, Mombo. Mombo, Taliazno. Hey, Mombo. Oh, this is the point I was going to make. Look at something mozzarella. Well, of course. Gabagool. Gabagool. But the thing that the podcast,

[01:35:42] the Ride Boys talk about all the time is this theory theme parks, which is kinetic energy, which is the difference between something like Six Flags and something like Disneyland. Right. Is that Six Flags is just like make some good rides. Yeah. And Disneyland is like a big place.

[01:35:57] Yeah. And Disney Land and, you know, other parks of that ilk put a lot of energy into like there's something kinetic happening around you at all times. Can I point out that they released crows when I was in Disneyland? We were walking into an entrance and we're like,

[01:36:12] there's a lot of crows. And then there was a fuck, there was a murder of crows. Murder. And we're like 100% Disney just released a murder of crows for like ambiance. But that's part of this thing. It's like design architecture. That's great. Six Flags does not do that.

[01:36:26] Six Flags doesn't release anything. No, Six Flags. They don't release anything. They get a corner. Design architecture that is like kinetic, have things in motion, have people performing in different capacities in different places. Like, and I feel like Jonathan Demi movies have that.

[01:36:40] And the fact that this like series of bad job interviews leads to a spoon man giving her the tip on where she should apply like feeds into that where it's like, why make that some boring guy? Right. Right.

[01:36:55] You know, why make it a generic bar and like motel? Should have been Hannibal Lecter. It should have been Hannibal Lecter. You know, but like why not make everything that could be sort of like rote shoe leather

[01:37:06] or just like take it for granted like this type of wireman, this type of guy. Which is very New York. Some kind of very New York. Very New York. Very 80s New York. Very old man. Demi is such a New York filmmaker,

[01:37:18] even though most of his movies aren't set in New York, he's very... A lot of them are though. But he's very influenced by the New York sensibility and the way that like these villages used to feel in the 80s and the 90s.

[01:37:26] I guess it's just this and something while... I'm trying to think of other New York movies he's made. But most of something while it isn't in the city. Yeah, that's true. But they have it in the city of New York. That's what I'm saying.

[01:37:35] Yeah, I guess that's kind of it. Yeah. But I think you're like really nails it. Philadelphia... And as someone who moves to New York and then like had defined shitty jobs. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's 100%. No, I'm sure. No, I'm too. Jesus. Yeah, what's...

[01:37:49] Yeah, to you guys, I feel like that'd be a fun thing to discuss like what's you guys' experiences? Because you worked at the Disney store. I worked at the Disney store. Yeah, well... Because everyone's like first shitty, like I'm in New York,

[01:37:57] I have to like figure shit out. My first New York job was at the chess shop. I think I've talked about this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was a bizarre job because it was a one-man job running a whole shop.

[01:38:07] So it was kind of like cool in a way because no one was there to boss me around. But then also James Gandolfini might show up expecting to pick up a fancy chess set for his son. And you have to be like,

[01:38:17] oh, excuse me, yes, let me find it for you. You have to go in the back. I'm totally extremely professional. I may not say like the most stressful... Where's my fucking pawn? The most stressful person in the world to just stand there waiting. James Gandolfini,

[01:38:30] because him breathing is a whole fucking experience. And he just looks like he does not want to like wait and... Be kept waiting. He is one of the... Not a jerk at all, nice guy. Right, he was one of the only human beings

[01:38:42] ever to breathe and surround sound. It's just absolutely... Hey, I'm here to... And you're like, oh yeah, it's under you Gandolfini. Oh, okay. And then you have to like go into the back, which was just like a fucking jungle of chess sets.

[01:38:55] And like, you know what chess sets look like each other? Like there's not a lot of variation. And yet like some cost 30 bucks and some cost 2,000. Yeah. Because they're made out of like Indian Rosewood. And you know, like you got all the chess sets

[01:39:08] that say no child labor involved. And you're like, do the other ones have to like... What's that story? That was also a place it was in the village. It's closed now, sadly. There's still chess... The other one's still open. The best one's still going.

[01:39:19] On Thompson Street, the guy above lived in an apartment like a rent-controlled apartment was like a 1 bajillion years old. And it was rent-controlled and the guy... Like my boss would be like, that guy pays like 75 bucks a month. Jesus Christ. And he would come down...

[01:39:34] This is not mercury. This is just experience that I had all the time. The man was so fucking old that in between... How old was he? In between him leaving his apartment on the second floor

[01:39:46] and coming to the ground floor, he might have to go to the bathroom again. He might have to pee again. Because like it's just not working that well anymore, right? And so he would come into our shop and bang on the bathroom door

[01:39:57] even if someone was in it and be like, get out of there! I gotta go to the bathroom! It was very stressful. He was so stressful. Wow. You know what's the thing I love about the hiring scene? Go ahead. She goes in there.

[01:40:09] She leads with the fact that she went to beauty school. Then realizes she dropped out and immediately just pivots to... I'll do anything. Like she tries to go in with like, oh my god this is the thing I actually have some area of expertise in.

[01:40:21] But I think she kind of knows though. She looks in a mirror that says, are you ready for a new you? Very cute. It's sweet just how much they take her in and are like... They give her a haircut dude. Yeah. So then after all this...

[01:40:37] Wait, Ange, what was your shittiest job? My shittiest job? My shittiest job? My shittiest New York job. My shittiest job is in London. Yeah. Where? Why... Why were you working on vacation? That's weird. What if it was some like, complicated, wrong, compli...

[01:40:56] Like I gotta make the money back for my pint! He was looking. He was looking. Back? So what, like a one week, two week job? Maximum? I wish. I lived in London. What?! Go on with your job story Ange. What was your bad job?

[01:41:10] Oh, I went to like, well my first like year here was like a waking nightmare. You were on Rebecca Bonas's classroom crush. I feel like you talked about this a little bit. She just, yes, she does want to hear about... Shitty. I moved here.

[01:41:23] I broke up with my boyfriend. I moved to New York. I immediately got the flu. Which like at the time I did not know it was the flu, but like when I described it later. You had like the walking flu essentially, yes.

[01:41:34] Yeah, I was crashing with my brother and I can say this now because he's since moved, but bed bugs were a factor. Oh boy. Yeah, it was rough. Oh boy. Oh boy.

[01:41:46] And then I was also like, I was kind of doing some work for my cousin back in Massachusetts, but that was like fading. So it was like I need to do something quick. My brother's friend Harry who you guys have met. He's a chef in New York.

[01:41:58] Chef Harry. Chef Harry. Yeah. Worked at Alamo no longer works at Alamo, but he worked at this place called STK in Meatpacking, which if anyone has ever been there, it's a nightmare place. But he was a chef there and he was like,

[01:42:13] I can probably hook you up with a hostess gig. At STK? At STK. That was my first. And I remember I got there. That's basically like hustlers. Like the type of clientele who are coming in. Yes. Are the guys from hustlers?

[01:42:27] I worked there for a very long time before realizing like how many sex workers walked in and out of that place. Like a lot of sugar babies situations. Also weirdly like parents who brought their children and stayed until like 11 p.m.

[01:42:41] And they're like, should we call like servants or something? Cause this is bad. People fucking in the street on a Sunday. That was, we all looked, but also cause the window was blacked out so we could see out and they couldn't see in.

[01:42:53] So like a couple people at brunch and then like half the staff just like watched a couple go at it on a car once. On a car. On a car. On top of a car. They were feeling themselves. Good sex.

[01:43:04] But yeah, that was like my first like roadie. I like met the manager and I was like, I've never worked at a restaurant, but I'm like, I've worked really hard. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I work in retail and then like all the other

[01:43:16] hostesses were like models who like hated everyone. And then. Sounds like fun movie actually. It does be great. I did not last long. I was there for like basically the summer and I was also, so that's when I started the UCB internship. So I like, yeah. Right here.

[01:43:31] Right here. Here we go. So it was all worth it. I just, I found something on the Wikipedia that I'm very confused by. On our own Wikipedia? Yeah. Is it about London? What says every time David accidentally implies that he

[01:43:46] lived in London, England during part of his childhood, Ben and Griffin act like it was a shocking revelation. See this is, this is, I've never heard before. No doll. This has come up. I've never heard about this. No, honestly, I don't listen back to episodes like David does.

[01:43:59] It says we milk it for all it's worth. I don't think that, I don't, I can't think of one time that's not. I mean maybe bone milk it for all it's worth. That's very possible. Um, anyway, if anyone gives you shit online, and you can just nuke them.

[01:44:11] You're the, you know, you're the, you run the social. I get destroyed because I nuke them. We're directors. I just cancel the fuck out of them. Ben, what was your bad New York job? Uh, I had. Like when did you move here?

[01:44:23] Because I started going to the new school in 2008. I think maybe no, 2006 maybe. Yeah. So yeah, I've been in New York a while. Those are two different years. It's kind of, uh, I don't know. My memory is a little foggy. It definitely wasn't 2007.

[01:44:44] We know that for a fact. Of course not. Absolutely not. Why? No. But, uh, I got a job in construction and I had no experience. You talked about this on the try. I feel like maybe we've only talked about it. Um, it might have come up, but, um,

[01:45:02] built the imprisis. Oh, it does kind of seem like your style now that you mention it. It is very big. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. And it took a while. Um, no. And so, uh, the thing I learned with, uh, uh, working on a construction crew is, um,

[01:45:19] people like me have built the house that you live in. And that is very scary. So your point is, uh, no house is safe. No. So it's not Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter built my house. Uh, well, okay. Yeah. It's just Ben's and Jimmy Carter's. Married to the mom.

[01:45:40] Yes. So she gets the job. So Modine sees her in the elevator. Starts flirting with her. Well only after he has had a run in with Tony, the tiger and his associates. That's true. And which realizes what's going on. It's a common everyday.

[01:45:55] What does he say to Tony? Uh, we says you're a menace to society. Yeah. Yeah. Because he remembers that later. Watch it on the road. Yeah. But that's the point. He makes the fatal mistake of making slightly too much of an impression. Like any contact at all.

[01:46:10] On Tony and his friend. Which is going to matter later. And he's trying to get out of the building because he's been bugging Andra's apartment, but then I keep on calling her Andra. But then of course when he goes down the elevator,

[01:46:20] he runs into her, which makes him go right back up in the elevator. Can I have a question? Does he live in the, but he already lived in the same building as Angela? No, they, I, my understanding is they get an apartment so that they can stake out.

[01:46:31] Yes. 100%. Okay. Cause that's what it seemed like, but then that apartment had so much shit in it that it seemed like it was also his apartment. Like the one with the four cats. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. I think that's a separate apartment. Yes. Right, right, right.

[01:46:46] The ones with the clothing. Yeah. And so, Stakeouts seem fun. Don't they seem fun? Yeah. Chinese food. I think they're fucking boring, right? Well, I'm sure it has this, and you're watching people and it's just a fact of people. I just think it seems fun.

[01:47:04] But they, you know, they start to flirt. Right. But I like that this is not a romantic comedy per se. No. That they do not exactly fall in love. Well, I also appreciate the lie doesn't go on long.

[01:47:16] It's basically like one night and then she finds out the truth. One night is so good. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm just... We're coming to this up. Yeah, we got to talk about it in these like leader scenes I'm trying to think.

[01:47:31] Well, there's the burger shooting. Right. Oh, he loves it. Oh right, yeah, yeah. Can I just say my favorite bit leading up to that is they're like, you know where we're going? Burger world. And then like the two mobsters driving behind them

[01:47:43] and are like, oh, that place is terrible. Why do we have to go there? They're singing the song. Dean Sawgill. I forgot about that. That's really funny. There's that side plot that Stockwell himself is in trouble. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:47:53] But that's a really good scene where Stockwell has these like, they got a different guy, right? Yeah. Two monsters show up. He shoots at them with two guns, kills them both and then he goes, the clown. He doesn't recognize the clown who is of course Chris Isaac.

[01:48:10] God, he's so weird cast. Chris Isaac is the clown. David Johansson is the priest at, did you notice that from the New York Dolls? No, no. David Johansson plays the priest at Baldwin's. Demi must have just been so cool. Hanging out with these cool people.

[01:48:25] Make it swim into Cambodia and start making sense in his off time. What a cool fucking dude. What a cool fucking dude. Did you notice his cameo in the movie? Yeah, he's the guy getting off the elevator. Yeah, when they're in Miami.

[01:48:36] And there's a guy in like a tropical shirt and his pregnant wife. Oh, with a wife? That's him. And that's Demi and his wife. I think pregnant with one of their children. Good looking guy. Good looking guy. Yes. A sweetie pie. He's a sweetie pie.

[01:48:48] But yeah, Nostoc was so good. He just kills all that. And then as David and I learned, he would stay in character. Which is wild. Do you think he wore the white suit all the time? He must have kicked open the trailer door. There's something about his skin,

[01:49:06] like his face skin, that you're just like, you're like what a sleaze bag. It's funny. He's like a good eyebrows. Quantum meat? Quantum meat? Jesus. Quantum leap turns him into kind of a buddy, right? Like more of a sidekick. And like he's got such good villain energy.

[01:49:24] He's in battle circle. Actica years later, you're like, right, this guy is frightening. And like in the player, which he's so good at, he plays like a desperate sad sack, like sort of like Hollywood hustler. He's just an A plus character. But it's such a weird character choice

[01:49:40] in this where he's like playing the exact midpoint between like super stylized modern Italian gangster and super old fashioned 1940s RKO picture gangster. Like there's something very like zootsuit to his energy. Right. And there's also something kind of like overly slick and modern about his energy.

[01:49:58] So it's like a very broad theatrical performance of a very kind of quietly menacing guy. Right. He's great. And then of course, Mercedes rule. She's kind of not in the middle of the movie. She rules that machine. She does rule. She's rules. She just gets peppered in there.

[01:50:14] Like she just kicks down doors the most like whist only. She has that scene where it when her and Maudine finally go out, the second time that Pfeiffer runs into Maudine after the first time where he's pinned against the wall of the elevator with the chair,

[01:50:27] which is such a good use of like the demi. The visual. Just having them separated by the chair and squish. But the second time she runs into him and or she goes up to his apartment to ask him. She. Oh what, Michelle Pfeiffer? Right.

[01:50:42] Because there's that scene where she asks him out and all of her is like hiding behind the door. Right. And later that night, Connie kicks down the door when he's invited back to her place. Right. That's the thing. They have such a nice like little date night. Yeah.

[01:50:58] Dancing and having a fun time. And then there's that weird level of intimacy in them talking to each other, which is then totally disrupted by, the fact that they also just keep drinking club soda. Mm-hmm. But Mercedes rule just coming in like a ton of bricks

[01:51:13] and not wanting Mercedes rule to see that she's with another man because she thinks that will make her look bad so shortly after her husband's death. But Mercedes rule interprets that as you're hiding my husband in here. Right. Because he's already come to visit her at that point.

[01:51:29] Yes. And given the gifts and everything. You give gifts and stuff. Yes. And she's so like on guard about it. And I love that Michelle Pfeiffer the entire time does not know that anyone would have seen Tony try to kiss her at the funeral. Right.

[01:51:45] Like, she's just like, this guy's been creeping on me but there's no way anyone else would know this. So she doesn't know that the other wives have seen it. She doesn't know that the other guys have seen it. She's at the grocery store.

[01:51:54] At the grocery store it becomes clear. Right. Well, fuck. I forgot that too. But that's my favorite thing where she's like, I'm not my type. And she's like, Tony is everyone's type. She's like, I'm not interested. He's like, everyone's interested in Tony.

[01:52:08] Like there's such a weird ego to Mercedes rule. Yeah. It's like don't touch my husband but also I want you to admit that you want to fuck my husband. Right. Because my husband's the most fuckable and don't you dare fuck him. That spray tan glows. It glows. Yeah.

[01:52:23] I mean, I think the Mercedes rule set piece is like everything from like her hearing honeymoon sweep. I mean, just give me the fucking ticket. Like all that to her jumping. She jumps out of a moving plane. It's so good. It's so good. After things forget about it.

[01:52:40] Dare I say it? Mercedes house rules. Sure. It's something like you're supposed to stay in your seat or whatever she's like, honey, forget about it. Every time they cut her hair gets bigger and more like it looks like she stuck her fingers in electrical socket.

[01:52:55] Also the bit too is like when they're waiting for you like that's the cop stick kicking down the door and then it's fucking Connie with ginormous hair. It's like you know it too. The audience knows that the gag is coming.

[01:53:07] I don't think he's not afraid of the cops. He's afraid of his wife. After he's in jail, he just dreams of her fucking like shooting his nuts. And like it's just, you know, to have this sort of hand packing, ball busting, battle axe wife. Right.

[01:53:24] It's a classic joke. And I think it's a good idea to just dial it up to 50 rather than like try an underplay. To almost make her like a supernatural force. Exactly, that's funnier. Right. This is like what Angela could be. This is like the cliché, the contrast.

[01:53:40] Look, I fight for what's mine. She's so devoted to her husband. I fight for what's mine. I make no apologies. You can call me a ball buster, but it's just the way I am. I like that. Like yeah, she leaves and she was like,

[01:53:50] I was wrong, but like I got my eye on you. Yeah. I don't care. And it's so great that like her like springing up in bed in the morning, like Tony. It's just like he didn't kiss me goodbye. Like I need to be on guard about this.

[01:54:05] And he's so scared. He's like, Connie, hi in the airport. They're trying to like quietly escort Michelle to the plane. Right. And then so that because the showdown in the movie is they reveal to Angela that they are, she finds out that they're not the cops. Yeah.

[01:54:23] She gets hauled in. Right, because they bring her in, but how do they realize that she's not? Oh, it's when Mercedes rule comes over. Right, right. And then, oh yeah, and then she confesses. And then she confesses. And then she says like I've misjudged her,

[01:54:35] like two Mercedes rule or whatever. Right. Right, but Fyfer confesses everything sort of explains the situation. Not knowing he's a cop. She has been dialing him hitting on her. And you realize she's been fully taken advantage of by everybody. So the most romantic thing in the world

[01:54:49] that they just literally spend the night fully clothed in bed together. Yeah. Holding each other, I find really, really sweet. It's a very griffin thing, yes. Oh, it is so griffin. It is such a griffin move. It really is.

[01:55:01] Not that it's a move, but it is such a griffin. Like those are my weird sexual fantasies of like what if we just talked and then spent the night fully clothed in bed together? I'm a broken person. But the fact that they like don't even start kissing

[01:55:14] until they wake up in the morning. Yeah. Like it's like they wake up and then suddenly they're deciding to get physical, but then the knock on the door happens. That's what happens when a star is born. Yeah. I think I like it when a star is born.

[01:55:24] Oh yeah. In a perfect movie? Yeah. Great movie. The best thing in a movie that I like parts of. But platenocking on the door, everyone's sort of like getting angry at him. Right. Oh, because the burger massacre had happened the night before. He was busy.

[01:55:40] Well, I also love, can we just talk about how he's like, he's like, you know, I misjudged you and he's getting into bed with her. And he's doing that. He's taking all the bugs that he planted in her. Yes. So good. But right, that they are like,

[01:55:54] there's a massacre happening and you were like getting laid and he can't explain to them that they didn't have sex. Sure. But also that he knows that she's innocent but that he's not biased. So they're just like, you're in too deep on all of this.

[01:56:08] Your eyes off the ball. You're fucking off. We're bringing her in. We're making a deal. Right. And this like gross intimidation screen. It's just, yeah, please like just have them not be heroes. I love it. Right.

[01:56:20] And to have them be like, we will put you in jail for 10 years for donating everything you own to Goodwill. That's just classic, you know. Well, like, yeah, you've seen that in any kind of cop show, which is, but like when you see it,

[01:56:33] when the character is obviously like trying to protect their husband. He'll go into care. And they also use her employer as leverage. Right. Like so awful. Oh yeah. But the fact that like the only way for her to get out

[01:56:50] is to now reaffirm the way everyone views her. Like she's trying so hard to get away from this perception and they're like, your only way out of this situation is to play up the mob wife stuff, seduce Tony. Lay a trap for Mercedes rule.

[01:57:04] You know, like all this shit, like the only way out is like through and she has to do this like uncomfortable theater and like resubmit herself to the world show up, interrupt a meeting with grandpa monster. Totally seduced.

[01:57:18] Hang out with Tony who's been like aggressive and gross to her. It's scary. It's like, you know, it's the big lie. So well, she plays it so well. And then we're in Miami. Great place to end a movie. Always a good place to end a movie. Right.

[01:57:32] And then just like showdown. So fucking well done. Like if I saw a mainstream comedy with a moment like this in it when Maudine walks in makes the fatal mistake of doing the head nod. Right. And then you just see the exact same piece of coverage repeated

[01:57:48] five times in different devices, different outfits. And then Tony walking over to the mirror, Mercedes rule coming over his shoulder and saying if you wouldn't believe this Jameauk, you know, the look of this guy she was actually with. Right. And he just puts it all together.

[01:58:05] But the fact that that's entirely visual. I love it. It's so expressive. It's like, yes, let's exit reality for a second. It's a movie. Who cares? It's a movie. Exactly. This movie is so in love with the fact that it is a movie. Hell yeah.

[01:58:18] And the opportunity of like anything you can do in a movie at any point in time. Yeah. But I love that they like break Maudine by like appealing to like this guy seems like fun. This guy's a one man party. He's on vacation. He's from the book.

[01:58:33] Is Matthew Dean the original vacation? Jason he probably. No, come on. The shoot out. It's so fun. So fun. I don't like anyone except for Angela. I'm cool with every that's what that's why I like any of them getting shot. Yeah, it's just well.

[01:58:47] Also there's this guy get shot house though. I didn't want the pen. I'm not sweet. Anyone sweet whatever guy gets shot and he's like, oh, you'd have to do that. Yeah. There's last words. Like I love the weird sort of like gross cartoony like where it's kind

[01:58:59] of scary, kind of funny once again. Just kind of like dramatic falling. You're like, oh, I guess they got that. Maudine keeps on saying like you're under arrest. The whole place is bugged. We got either a bunch of cops out. He clearly has like no power.

[01:59:11] I don't care. You won't make it stick. And then and then Mercedes rule comes in and Tony's like actually scared right like that's the. They cut to his face and he's like Jordan. And he would also clearly rather get murdered than lose his genitalia.

[01:59:28] Like she's figured out the thing of greatest possible threat to him, which is living without a penis. And then Angela gets to punch her in the face. And a true classic 80s like really. She was like a full pop. I like wine. Yeah. It's great. It's so good.

[01:59:49] And then bust in. Yeah. She knocks out Connie and then the cops get Tony when he tries to run away. To me, the funniest thing is just Tony then having another dream about his wife shooting is that Tony's sort of getting

[02:00:02] out of it and gaming in the system. And then you realize that was his dream of how well things could have worked out for him followed by the nightmare of the worst case scenario, which also means Tony kind of prefers to be in a shit house.

[02:00:13] You know what I'll say in jail? Yeah. And then Maudine comes back asking for a second chance. Yeah, which is fine. You gotta end the movie that way. I get it. Yeah. I love the end credits where it's just like recycled scenes from the movie.

[02:00:26] Yeah, that's what it is. It's deleted scenes that he liked a lot. He was just like, let's just play them out. Put them in there somewhere and they sort of form like a recap of the basic plot events of the film. It's great. It makes interesting alternate scenes.

[02:00:37] I love that sort of 80s font too. The kind of graffiti. And then it ends again with like the guys with like long shadows in a sound stage with Tommy Gunn. Oh, right. Yeah. And then the logo getting shot to Swiss cheese. Right.

[02:00:51] And then there's a post credits thing. Yeah. It's just like really sweet. It's cute. It's just them, Maudine and Michelle. That's adorable. And then Nick Fury comes in and gives them a page or two. Yeah, that's right. He says, I had news for you.

[02:01:03] Martin Scorsese, no longer likes this movie. Dun, dun, dun, dun. And he says I need you to go into the quantum zone. That's right. I mean this film is to be fair. It takes place in the quantum zone. Prequel to Amon and Ross. Like any Michelle Pfeiffer movie.

[02:01:18] It takes place in the quantum zone. Yeah, of course. Right. It's a good one. August 19th, 1988. Okay. Mary to the mob opens number seven. Not in the top five. Not a big hit. No, but it did end up grossing $21 million. Which is double its budget.

[02:01:37] I don't think anyone was particularly upset about this movie. I think National Border Review gave supporting actor and supporting actress to rule and stock well. Let me give you, I think you're talking about the National Society Film Critic. Much better than the National Border Review.

[02:01:50] No offense to either organization. Pardon my slip. So you have Stockwell Gunn-Noska Animation. Michelle got a Golden Globe nomination. They got a Golden Globe for best musical or comedy? No, just Michelle. Just Michelle? Just Michelle. What a shame.

[02:02:03] National Society did give, as you say, those two acting awards and New York Film Critics also gave Dean Stockwell their award. Okay. So number one at the box office is a horror sequel. Actually we're kind of just discussing it. Oh, because you've been going through the franchises.

[02:02:19] No, but it's a well, well, what? Take your guess. But no, it's not that. But I'm saying we were talking about you're trying to go through all the franchises. That's true. Okay. Is it one of the franchises? It is. What number film is it? Four.

[02:02:34] So it's not Jason. No. Is it Halloween four? No. It's not Nightmare on Elm Street four? It is. It is. And what's the subtitle? And that one is The Dream Master? Correct. Made 50 mil. Yeah. We were saying that's the highest grossing award.

[02:02:47] We were actually kind of discussing it. It opens to 12 million this weekend. Big hit. It's my favorite horror franchise because even in the lesser entries, you have like weird, like surrealistic, like well sequences. Exactly. I mean that's what is that's what it's always had going for it.

[02:03:05] Now number two is a Western. Love Freddy, terrific guy known for 15 years. Is a Western with a with. It says in joys and socials. Maybe a cutie in the cast. Some of his women even on the younger side. Okay.

[02:03:20] I know but I'm just going to keep doing it because the world's terrible. It's a comedy with many. No. A Western. A Western. Oh is it Young Guns? Young Guns. The Young Guns. Give me some of the cuties. Sheen. Estavez. Is Slater in that? No.

[02:03:37] Ludam and Phillips is. Kiefer Sutherland? Oh yeah. Hm. A young Dermot Mulrooney. Jason Patrick? Not that I know of. Jack Palin's and Terence Stamprand. The youngest. So young. The youngest actors of their day. Young Guns. Young Guns.

[02:03:53] Opening to, I don't know this is its second weekend and it is made 16 million. It's on its way to 44 but a classic Brat Pack movie. I wish someone would do a movie like that today where it's like we just put all the guys. Chalamet. Next wave.

[02:04:06] Michael B Jordan. Any guy in their 20s who's the youngest. I don't know. Lucas Hedges. The guy from Waves. Calvin Harrison. Put them all in one movie. Alright. Along with Tommy Lee Jones. Number three is quite a big hit of the year. Good movie. Action film. Quite famous.

[02:04:25] Big hit of the year. Oh yeah. 1998. Is it a sequel? No. But it's Bond. It's Bond. Many. It's Bond. Many. It's a sequel. No. But it's Bond. It's Bond. Many. It's not lethal weapon. No. Secret. I believe. Oh Die Hard. Oh that gives a little way.

[02:04:46] I wasn't sure. No and you know he might have to cut it out because we can't have that leaking out to the public. Die Hard knows it's a secret. It doesn't. It doesn't. Don't tell anyone. Die Hard. Yes. Good movie. A great film. Real good. A perfect film.

[02:05:03] Number four. I saw it. I rewatched it last year when Skyscraper came out and I was like, I just want to watch Die Hard. Agreed. Number four is a big comedy of the year. Oscar winner. I've only seen it once. I remember finding it very funny.

[02:05:18] Fish called Wanda? That's correct. Yeah. Few comedies win Oscars. It's true. That was kind of a giveaway. Well, all right then. Kevin Klein of course. Is it that is the oldest best director nominee of all time? Charles Creighton. Yeah. He was real old. Yeah.

[02:05:35] And he hadn't made a movie in like 50 years? Yes, he was like an old Ealing guy. It was crazy. It's nuts. Good movie though. Number five is a movie we discussed. Finally through the mouth organ.

[02:05:45] That is also one of those movies that I have not seen since I was a child. Remembered liking. Wonder how it would play for me now that sex is not a supernatural concept. Do you ever have that experience where like you watch a movie, you watch as

[02:05:56] a kid and it felt like a fantasy film because sex was like a prevalent element? You're right. You're right. It just feels like a workplace comedy. This is like going to be commonplace elements of being a human being. Number five, it's got a big star.

[02:06:13] We talked about it on this episode. This specific movie? Talked about this episode as a cocktail. It's cocktail. Kokomo. Yeah. Aruba. That's where I want to go. He's doing this. Big hit. Huge hit. Tommy couldn't miss. When he rains, he pours. I believe is the tagline.

[02:06:35] It's got a great tagline. A film based upon. You guys know this? I think I do but go ahead. TGI Friday. When he pours, he rains. That's a great tagline. It's a great poster. Even though it's like you're like, well wait, what's the plot?

[02:06:51] It's like, I don't know. He's a cocktail. It looks like it would just be a character poster now. I know. Right. Exactly. What's the plot of the movie? The plot of the movie is Brian Brown. That movie is based on TGI Fridays, which was originally a

[02:07:06] Hell's Kitchen bar and was the first singles bar. Right. That was like a fun new concept in the 80s. Does TGI Fridays, LaChaine now exist because of cocktail? No. No, no, no. Cocktail was like. Like the success of this movie? No.

[02:07:22] I think it had already started franchising out at that point. But when it was founded, I think in the late 70s. Late 60s. Late 60s. Geez. It was like the first singles bar. This is where you go to hook up. It's legitimate.

[02:07:34] It's not some skid row, like flea bag, like joints. And there's the theatricality of real mixed drinks. People throwing the bottles and everything. And it was also TGI Fridays created the velvet rope. Hey man. Because it was like. Perfected by Daniel Jackson.

[02:07:51] Such a big deal to get in. Correct. The velvet rope outside this like bar in like the West 50s or something? I use the East 50s. But yeah. It was like on the Upper East Side. It was by the Queensboro Bridge, I think.

[02:08:04] It's like a classic bridge and tunnel. Yeah. So it was huge. And at this point it had become a nationwide franchise and Tom Cruise was making a movie that was loosely based on the real story of the guy. A real budget makeup boy I want to take. Yeah.

[02:08:17] Mamba Italian. And now there's this whole sort of style of bartending called it's like Bar Flare. Yes. I worked with a guy who competed. Oh, like bartending championships? Yeah. And like competitions and he was showing me all his like different like sort of like his

[02:08:32] routine if you will. It's almost like figure dancing in that way. Yes. And it was really impressive. He was flipping bottles all over the place. All because of TGI Fridays. Wow. Some other films. Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Another perfect 1988 is an absolute barnstormer year. Yeah.

[02:08:51] Like I have my list and like it's like 20 movies I love. So what's your number one of 88? Roger Rabbit. Yeah. Roger Rabbit is a really good take. Yeah. And above movies I adore like The Last Temptation of Christ, which is very similar to Yeah.

[02:09:07] Totoro, Beetlejuice, Midnight Run, Die Hard, Dead Ringers, Bird, which is one of the great Clint Eastwood movies. Still never seen it. Fantastic film. Mary to the Mob. They live. This is a great list. Blind, Bull Durham. Yeah. Which you just saw. I just saw last night.

[02:09:23] Women on the verge of a nervous breakdown. You got big. You got heathers. I mean it's just fireball. And the amount of films there that are major studio commercial films. I haven't even gotten to like Rain Man, that year's best picture winner or Working

[02:09:37] Girl, which was a colossal hit. Or Dangerous Liaisons, which is like a sexy period drama that was like people were like fucking howling at the screen. You know what a movie they came out of? They were twins. Oh, fumes.

[02:09:48] Like let's take this huge movie star and package him in a comedy and a fucking killed. Another Trey Wilson vehicle. In my seven unsuccessful months of film school before I dropped out of college. One of my professors was Tom Anderson, the noted film critic and video essayist

[02:10:08] who made the film Los Angeles plays itself. Which is kind of legendary for a long time. It's a great film that for a very long time was like impossible to watch because it was all using clips from other movies and the fair use laws weren't

[02:10:20] working to his advantage. And now it's finally I think visible online. It used to be like once a year he'd maybe screen somewhere and you could see it. But he screened for us and he would, I was in his class, it was just like a

[02:10:30] lecture class where he would just ramble for two hours and it was the most grossing thing in the world. Because he was one of those guys who when he talks it feels like his brain is on Jupiter and he's trying to explain to you what he's seeing.

[02:10:40] But he always talked about how like there is an argument for Roger Rabbit being one of the greatest and most serious LA films ever made. And it never gets the respect where he's like this movie actually that's why that digs into everything.

[02:10:54] Like he was like life in Hollywood, which is like a weird cartoon town. But also like up against this really sea world. And also the changing of Hollywood and the highway coming through. But also the corruption leading to the death of the public transit system

[02:11:06] which used to be the best in the country. Like all these things he would always and it was like a so much scandalous claim but he'd always be like Roger Rabbit is so much more insightful than fluff like LA Confidential.

[02:11:17] Well he had a weird beef with LA Confidential. He would just call it a bad film. Well he is a bad person. No he's not. He's a good man. We've got a talk of the man in the stream.

[02:11:27] We've got Coming to America another ADA classic and Midnight Run which is fucking perfect. It's a perfect. Like Midnight Run which is a movie in some years I might have been like well I can't beat that. Yeah. Have you seen Midnight Run? You'd love it.

[02:11:39] These two guys they're no good. But we love them. Groton. So grouchy. Oh Groton it is grouchy. It's... De Niro at his I don't know he's really run down in that movie in a fantastic way. I think he's incredible. It's incredible.

[02:11:53] I think it's one of his top five performances. Agreed. Agreed. And it is my argument is it is the best De Niro movie star performance. He is usually one of those guys where he's better when you

[02:12:03] give him more of a character to latch onto and if you go just do the De Niro thing. Yeah. He can kind of sleepwalk through it. Sure. And that's the one time that someone crystallized all the energy, his star energy. Yeah no that's fine. I'm into that call.

[02:12:16] He's also, I rewatched it with someone who hadn't seen it before and the whole time they were like wait a second. De Niro is so fucking hot in this. This is the only time I've ever found him hot. His hair is unbelievable. His leather jacket.

[02:12:28] I mean I think it's crazy to not find him hot. I know. I mean... That's crazy. I agree with you. I think he's hot in a lot of movies. He is so hot in this. I'm making De Niro face right now. Right here.

[02:12:38] The other thing with Midnight Run, Ange. Yes. Is that you're watching at the whole time and you're like this is just really good entertainment. This is perfectly made and the end makes you cry. And you're like how the fuck? I didn't think I cared. Yeah, Ficcato's so good.

[02:12:50] Yeah, Ficcato. The whole cast. The whole cast is good. Dennis Farina? Oh god we've had some times on this podcast. We have. We've talked about some movies. Yeah. Mary to the Mom another great one. Another great one. Next week Silence of the Lambs. Good movie. Good hot tank.

[02:13:06] Movie. We got Emily Vandewerf coming up on that. That's right. It's in the can. It's in the candor worth. It's in the can. Ange. Yeah. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Of course. Part of the family. Your family.

[02:13:21] I also did demand I do this episode once we're new to Demi. That wasn't exciting thing about. It was a contenda. It was an exciting thing about Demi though. Like the second he was sort of really making himself known as a combatant.

[02:13:33] So many people came out of the woodwork and were like. This is my guy. This is our guy. Put my name down. Okay. He's my guy now. I love that. She's doing a marin joke. Oh yeah, sure. Who are you? Who are you Demi?

[02:13:48] It was like so exhausted by that bit. He's like I ate that one. I'm tired. Thank you all for listening. Real quick I just want to plug my brand congratulations. If you go to my Twitter. Oh. You can see the store. I'll be offering stuff once a month.

[02:14:06] The jeans will have been dug up by the time this episode comes out. Let's come out March 1st. But when are they being undogged? Yeah, they come out and when did they come out? They come out on the same day I buried them so sometime in mid-February. Okay.

[02:14:20] I'll unearth them and they will be for sale. So Q1 Live. I wish this nightmare only been going on for a year. It's real. Can't wait for her to read a local news story. Man arrested digging up his own yard clearly burred someone.

[02:14:33] I wish I could remember right now but someone so bizarre recently asked me how are the jeans going? Wow. Marty? Marty's questions. But he dug up the jeans and there was a person inside Ben. Anyone else got any 2020 predictions? My 2020 predictions. January now.

[02:14:48] My birthday comes out, my birthday comes out. My birthday is a drop so we get to this episode so I'm just going to shout out myself. What are you going to do? What's the birthday plans? I don't know.

[02:14:59] I have always wanted to go to Medieval Times but it's like very hard to coordinate. Yeah. Please let me organize your medieval times birthday next year. So my birthday is January 20th. We love it. And I'm going to plug my Twitter handle. You're going to follow me at?

[02:15:11] Magna Farda. At Magna Farda. I also do like comics and doodles on Instagram but it's at the Magna Farda. I have reached out. Someone took Magna Farda and I'm going to see if they can swap so maybe look up both but right now I'm at the Magna Farda.

[02:15:27] Check it out. Thanks guys. And thank you all for this time. Follow Blank Check. Yes. Follow Blank Check. Pod. Please. Please remember to rate, review, subscribe and follow our social media handles. Go to our Patreon where we're now doing Star Wars.

[02:15:44] If you've been holding off because you didn't want to hear us talk about Marvel movies. Martin Scorsese. We're talking to you. Yep. Now we're in Star Wars. That's right. We're covering the wars. The ultimate squad. That's right. Hashtag squad. Hashtag squad. Yeah.

[02:16:01] But right around the time of this release. Just released. As long as we don't change the schedule hour solo episode. Sure. Which comes earliest in continuity. Yes. And then in on the 21st, we will have Rogue One with Chris Whites, the writer of the film. Yes.

[02:16:19] Watching it with us. It's spilling a lot of tea. He does a thing in the first. I needed a whole roll of paper towels and big knives to clean up all that tea. Your coach. Your coach. Jesus Christ. Your couch was soaked.

[02:16:32] He does something in the first five minutes of the episode that blew my mind. Yes. That I don't even want to tip my hand to at all. But it was perfect. We love you Chris. Come back. Let's say he walked away with a big bag of comedy points.

[02:16:48] So listen to that. Subscribe. Blank check special features on Patreon. Next week, Sansa Lambs with Emily Van der Werf. Oh, I'm skipping it. Thanks to Joe Bonaparte rounds for artwork. They have a card for our theme song. Angela Farragutto for our social media. Woof woof woof woof.

[02:17:11] All right. David Dawgsons. Thank you. Yes. And as always, just don't have to crazy about the chef franchise. Okay. I'm big. Boo. I'm right. Okay. So look, wait a second. What are you talking about? That's not how the show starts.

[02:17:35] We got to start with the blimp award in 2017. What the fuck are you talking about? Well, now this has to go at the end of the episode. Of course it does. We've got to cut it out. You psychopaths. You're really amped up. You just made coffee and died.

[02:17:48] There's a tradition. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 260 episodes in. Is that many?