Oh baby, this one’s a STINKER! Sean Connery finds the cure for cancer but then he loses it (??). Lorraine Bracco delivers all of her dialogue like someone making a comment and not asking a question at a Q&A. They’re both playing scientists - but where’s the CHEMISTRY?? Comedian and writer Jamie Lee returns to Blank Check to talk about John McTiernan’s attempt at a serious adult drama, 1992’s MEDICINE MAN. We spend most of the episode trying to recast this movie to make it somewhat palatable. But the musical score is great!
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[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin amp, David, Blank Check with Griffin amp, David, Darnell wants to say
[00:00:10] a two-ass list.
[00:00:12] All you need to know is that the aim of the show is Blank Check.
[00:00:22] What don't you understand?
[00:00:23] I found the cure for the fucking podcast of the 20th Century and now I've rosted it.
[00:00:30] Very good. Good job.
[00:00:32] This is a movie about someone finding the cure for cancer and losing it.
[00:00:37] You're like losing it like you lose your keys.
[00:00:40] Like losing it like you lost anything, Dr. Bronch, your perch, your call case.
[00:00:47] Rather like that. Now you have it. Now you don't.
[00:00:50] I just like imagining every time. Keep going. You're doing another line.
[00:00:53] Just read a line.
[00:00:56] I gave Alka Shoucho a kid with a belly. Just someone standing up quietly exiting the theater.
[00:01:01] Alka Shoucho, while they're just screaming at each other, people just being like,
[00:01:05] you know what?
[00:01:06] Killed him in one bounce. I got shit to do. I'm going to go.
[00:01:09] One of the wildest things anyone has ever made, Sean Connery say.
[00:01:12] It was the plop, plop, face, face that really dazzled them.
[00:01:19] You can talk, Jamie.
[00:01:21] Just like just do it as.
[00:01:23] I mean, this movie made way more money than I thought.
[00:01:26] It wasn't like an atomic disaster.
[00:01:27] This movie did okay.
[00:01:29] It did okay.
[00:01:30] Like it was a flop, but this is a movie where you'd be like, oh, it made $20,000 and you
[00:01:35] wouldn't be surprised.
[00:01:36] Right.
[00:01:37] It made money.
[00:01:38] It made $44 million.
[00:01:41] You know what I kept thinking from the jump of watching this?
[00:01:45] I had a lot of thoughts.
[00:01:46] Oh yeah, I had had some more than one.
[00:01:49] The primary one that I kept coming back to is just like, like, first of all, a movie
[00:01:54] like this would only be like an indie now.
[00:01:57] Like no one's spending money to make this story anymore and tell it in this way.
[00:02:02] The other thought was like, wow, like this was considered a drama and a romance.
[00:02:09] Who did you think?
[00:02:10] And it's very like sticky, joky, but because of shows now, I mean, I could name many shows,
[00:02:18] but we have so many drama days now that you're like, oh right.
[00:02:21] Back then, anything that wasn't like shit dick humor was considered a drama whereas
[00:02:30] now it's like shows like the bear.
[00:02:32] I mean, that's technically a comedy.
[00:02:34] So when you watch this, you're like, this is a comedy, right?
[00:02:36] Then you look and you're like, they did not think this was funny.
[00:02:39] No, but you are right that it has more intentional jokes in it.
[00:02:43] So many of them.
[00:02:44] And then most comedies.
[00:02:45] For now.
[00:02:46] For the set of the Emmys.
[00:02:47] That's right.
[00:02:48] The set up and energy of a comedy gets about an odd couple.
[00:02:51] They're in if they're fishes out of water, moving right there doing screwball becker.
[00:02:57] Exactly.
[00:02:58] They're going to yell at each other while they fall.
[00:03:00] The way she arrives when she's just kind of like dropped off by, I mean, I want to say
[00:03:04] the I can't even it's the line that she says to one of the natives is it's so horrifying.
[00:03:10] But anyways, that whole thing of her just kind of like falling out of the boat and she's
[00:03:15] like, wow, like she's kind of arrives like in this messy way.
[00:03:19] You're right.
[00:03:20] It's the two most fascinating things about this movie are A. This is maybe the last moment
[00:03:24] in history where this is like an A picture for a major movie studio, right?
[00:03:29] And given that sort of like support and budget and all of that, B. This movie is seven
[00:03:34] genres at the same time in a way where it's like no, we're trying to make epic movies for
[00:03:38] everybody.
[00:03:39] Like this, this is their swing at making like I don't know a classic right?
[00:03:45] I'm okay.
[00:03:46] I know I'm jumping out of order here, but the score, the moment where they are zip lining
[00:03:53] through the forest and it feels like to me, the closest thing to that was Patrick Swaisy
[00:04:01] and Jennifer Gray on the log in dirty dancing when I say, hey, hey, they're like, that's
[00:04:09] a good scene, which is a great scene, right?
[00:04:11] But also fun like that's a fun scene.
[00:04:13] Right.
[00:04:14] People have chemistry and then these two, this is kind of their first moment of like getting
[00:04:18] along and having fun together and they are zip lining through the forest, but the music
[00:04:23] under it is this like grand sweeping symphony music.
[00:04:27] And you're like, wait, we're supposed to like really take this moment seriously like they're
[00:04:33] they're filming that scene looking at it in the edit with the energy of this is going
[00:04:38] to go into all of the Oscar clip packages of the greatest romance.
[00:04:42] That's right.
[00:04:43] That's exactly they're going to include this and there's a real like some of not even
[00:04:46] the worst movies we've ever covered on the podcast, but some of the least essential or
[00:04:50] most forgotten movies we've covered on the podcast.
[00:04:52] There's a very telling line you will find on their Wikipedia, which is just like the Wikipedia
[00:04:57] entry is really dry, pretty empty.
[00:05:00] And then there's one line which is like, although the score is quite well liked and it's
[00:05:05] like this is a movie that's legacy is 90%.
[00:05:08] I don't know ending like people had the CD and played it in their car.
[00:05:12] Maybe, maybe it's probably a score that sounds better out of context.
[00:05:16] That's what I'm saying.
[00:05:17] I think that's right.
[00:05:18] I think that's like sweeping or can you know Jerry Goldsmith.
[00:05:20] It's fine.
[00:05:21] You can imagine someone in the edit being like we need to use it and they're like, you
[00:05:23] know what's good?
[00:05:24] Jerry Goldsmith's medicine man score.
[00:05:26] There's always that thing too.
[00:05:28] Like movies where like white people go to a foreign land where the score reflects that
[00:05:34] in such a dorky way.
[00:05:35] Where it's like, it's like blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue.
[00:05:39] Like it's all, he's like this is like xylophone experimental and you're like, you don't do that
[00:05:44] for any other kind of movie.
[00:05:46] It's justice.
[00:05:47] No, it has the score of you traveled to the quote unquote exotic part of Disneyland.
[00:05:52] Yes, yes.
[00:05:53] Yes.
[00:05:54] You're on the jungle being the me.
[00:05:55] Yes, yes.
[00:05:56] 100%.
[00:05:57] It's like you're there.
[00:05:58] Oh my god.
[00:05:59] It's so true.
[00:06:00] This movie's fascinating but also it's like I don't even know if you can call it.
[00:06:04] I mean, the earlier twist in the movie is that she's actually not from Brooklyn.
[00:06:09] She's from the Bronx, right?
[00:06:10] I mean, I had to try and take a walk around like it's fucking a topic bomb.
[00:06:15] The movie like rattles in the wake of that reveal.
[00:06:20] But the other twist is that he's like not a white savior because he's basically, he's
[00:06:27] the up and high murder of the jungle.
[00:06:30] She's like trying to remake himself as a savior because he can't get over the devastation
[00:06:35] he caused.
[00:06:36] Do you think they were like making this movie and they were like call gap.
[00:06:40] There's going to be on a run on khakis after this comes out.
[00:06:43] Like we're going to there's going to be pony tails are going to be back.
[00:06:48] We need to set up a ponytail spread at vote.
[00:06:51] Like that's what they were thinking when this movie come out.
[00:06:53] It's really not in February.
[00:06:54] I think they'd give it up on it maybe actually.
[00:06:58] Just circle back to Sean Connery's look.
[00:07:00] I mean, there is like an identity crisis happening where he is a male lead.
[00:07:06] I would say most people found him handsome.
[00:07:08] He's yeah, a handsome male lead.
[00:07:10] But then they kind of like front him up which feels more modern.
[00:07:16] Not every male lead looks the same now, right?
[00:07:19] Like or at least they're not sort of looking classically handsome all the time.
[00:07:23] Yes.
[00:07:24] Or if they are there's some kind of metamorphosis that gets them there like you know what
[00:07:28] I mean.
[00:07:29] So it was like that to me was even just odd like the way they made him look kind of just
[00:07:33] like a dorky dad who's been in the jungle a long time.
[00:07:36] Yes.
[00:07:37] It's like he's the lead like I don't know.
[00:07:40] It's so unnecessary.
[00:07:41] It's so fascinating because Connery basically stayed some sort of sex symbol throughout
[00:07:47] his entire career.
[00:07:48] Like I feel like he's often cited as an example when actresses complain about like the
[00:07:54] second you turn 35, you're like put into a mom bucket and Sean Connery still gets to
[00:07:58] play sexy in his 70s.
[00:08:00] That's right.
[00:08:01] Like he's such a good example of they don't try to make him look younger.
[00:08:03] They're not pretending.
[00:08:04] No, that's what I was trying to say.
[00:08:05] Not at all.
[00:08:06] Not at all.
[00:08:07] 61 in this movie and he basically retires 10 years later.
[00:08:11] Right.
[00:08:12] Like entrapment is basically like this 10 years later which is a sexier movie than this.
[00:08:16] That is.
[00:08:17] Entrapment is seven years after this and his co star is 15 years younger.
[00:08:21] Wow.
[00:08:22] These co star is like a sex bomb in that movie.
[00:08:25] She's in the light.
[00:08:26] And she's dodging the lasers.
[00:08:29] The lasers.
[00:08:30] This one at least Lauren Brock was like, oh geez can I get a shower?
[00:08:33] I can't do her.
[00:08:34] But seven years later they're doing I think I nailed it.
[00:08:36] That was actually dead on.
[00:08:37] Do you know that she plays a, what is she is seagull?
[00:08:42] Okay.
[00:08:43] A seagull.
[00:08:44] One of the worst movies we've ever cover on this podcast is a movie you might not even
[00:08:47] be aware happened.
[00:08:49] Robert Zemeckis's live action Pinocchio remake that went straight to Disney plot.
[00:08:53] That's right she's a seagull in which Lorraine Bronco, it's the only other Lorraine Bronco
[00:08:58] performance we've covered on this podcast.
[00:09:00] Lorraine Bronco plays a character they added just for the Pinocchio remake who's not
[00:09:03] in the Disney movie who's like a gossipy seagull and it's Lorraine Bronco with this accent
[00:09:09] but basically sounding like she changed smoked 15 packs of cigarette right before every
[00:09:13] line reading.
[00:09:14] She's like I started some Pinocchio.
[00:09:16] He's in the water somewhere was trying to eat him.
[00:09:19] Antonanxist Rapetto was like my boy in the Pinocchio.
[00:09:23] She's like yeah he should go find him.
[00:09:26] She probably does.
[00:09:27] I mean she's got a distinct voice.
[00:09:29] She does, I love her voice.
[00:09:30] I do too.
[00:09:31] Maybe she's been smoking all these years to just kind of keep it where it's gotta be right
[00:09:37] sure can't kind of keep the March Simpson in it.
[00:09:40] She's definitely, she's getting Margie or as time goes on.
[00:09:43] Right.
[00:09:44] I think she's pretty Margie even as a young.
[00:09:46] Oh yeah.
[00:09:47] Yeah the Margeness just keeps going and growing and growing.
[00:09:51] Yeah no she's maybe she's going for the throne when Kavanaugh steps down.
[00:09:57] Also just a circle back to that.
[00:10:00] I mean that's true.
[00:10:01] She's almost 70.
[00:10:02] Oh she?
[00:10:03] Lorraine I mean she's been around this process is 25 years old almost.
[00:10:07] Yeah.
[00:10:08] I don't know why I'm like I kind of fixated on this idea of like the sort of like the
[00:10:12] two leads.
[00:10:14] Like it's very interesting again it feels like you can really feel that we're more
[00:10:17] moving from 1999 90s into the 2000s.
[00:10:23] Yeah.
[00:10:24] Also in that she's, you know I feel like if this movie were made even just five years
[00:10:28] before it would have just been sexy or steamier.
[00:10:33] Yes.
[00:10:34] Like this is not a sexy movie.
[00:10:36] It's almost aggressively unsexy and it doesn't feel like it's trying and failing.
[00:10:40] It's almost doubling down on like a real like dorky unappealing.
[00:10:45] Like they're really trying to be like the worst versions of themselves.
[00:10:51] Like they're not I know they're working together and that part I really, I like that
[00:10:55] they are like no these are colleagues like that to me feels modern but then you're so
[00:11:00] used your brain is so trained for the movies that came before it to be like okay but when
[00:11:06] does it get hot?
[00:11:07] And it's kind of like never.
[00:11:09] That only doesn't not get hot but like 30 minutes into it you start going I hope it
[00:11:13] doesn't get hot.
[00:11:14] That's the thing.
[00:11:15] They don't think that's what you're signing up for because we are not delivered.
[00:11:19] You're like this type of movie is training me to think it's going to get hot.
[00:11:22] Yes.
[00:11:23] The way this movie is actually progressing I don't want to see that happen.
[00:11:26] I hope they never, I hope nothing.
[00:11:28] I hope nothing ever happens between the two of them pointedly a movie that cuts away
[00:11:32] from the one kiss at the end of the way.
[00:11:34] You wonder if there was a focus group.
[00:11:37] Yeah.
[00:11:38] That said like all the way down right.
[00:11:41] Yeah.
[00:11:42] We are not ready for these two to like no because they lean in towards each other.
[00:11:46] It goes in a slow motion.
[00:11:47] It cuts away when they're an inch away from each other's mouth.
[00:11:50] It feels like you say like a real nobswing moment which means to be clear just people saying
[00:11:56] no thank you like would please do not show us the opposite of what people of what the studio
[00:12:00] wanted which was audience members swinging their knobs around an excitement that's what you
[00:12:05] wanted to clarify right?
[00:12:08] Introduce our show.
[00:12:09] This is blank check with Griffin and David.
[00:12:10] I'm Griffin.
[00:12:11] I'm David.
[00:12:12] It's a podcast about filmographies directors who have massive success early on in their
[00:12:15] careers and are given a series of blank checks make whatever crazy passion projects they
[00:12:19] want sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce through the Amazon baby.
[00:12:25] This is a mini series on the films of John McTiernan.
[00:12:28] It's called you can do it.
[00:12:32] Pod hard with a bench cast.
[00:12:33] That's right.
[00:12:34] Okay.
[00:12:35] And today we're turned to the show.
[00:12:38] I'm going to introduce second time guest.
[00:12:39] There was a Reddit thread of people who have only been on once they should have on again.
[00:12:44] And we just kind of realized recently, hey this was not a movie a lot of people are clamoring
[00:12:48] for.
[00:12:49] B saw this guest was back in New York City and I was like right we should reach out again.
[00:12:53] Jamie Lee credible comedian from crashing right around Ted Lasso.
[00:12:57] Hey guys.
[00:12:58] Do you have Emmys now?
[00:13:00] Do you have physical Emmys?
[00:13:01] I do.
[00:13:02] That's why I have two so far.
[00:13:03] I say so far because they're coming up again in January.
[00:13:06] We'll see.
[00:13:07] I'm a fast and we come on.
[00:13:08] I'll say this.
[00:13:09] A thing I notice you got quality screen time at every award show where Ted Lasso won.
[00:13:14] You were just always right there.
[00:13:16] Your IMDB picture is you holding an Emmys.
[00:13:19] Yeah, really?
[00:13:20] Wow.
[00:13:21] Okay.
[00:13:22] It never felt like you were doing the like a list of Milano trying to get into the frame
[00:13:25] thing but I was like always right there.
[00:13:27] Oh, so funny.
[00:13:28] You say that because when I was a first Emmys I was seated in the back very, very back.
[00:13:35] There were two tables.
[00:13:36] One that was right by the stage and then one that was in the far, far back.
[00:13:40] You would never see it.
[00:13:41] And I was in the back table and then at the last minute there was this thing that happened
[00:13:46] where someone on our staff who did not get a ticket initially we finally were able to
[00:13:51] get them a ticket.
[00:13:53] Okay.
[00:13:54] Jason, I don't think had a plus one.
[00:13:58] And so they sat next to Jason and they were like I don't want to sit there like that.
[00:14:03] I can't sit there.
[00:14:04] That's too much pressure.
[00:14:06] And they came up to me completely unsolicited.
[00:14:09] And they were like will you sit there and I was like yeah, I'll have a ride with them.
[00:14:13] What?
[00:14:14] That's why I was sitting there and I was like that's why memories you being right next
[00:14:17] to.
[00:14:18] I was right next to him.
[00:14:19] It was insane.
[00:14:20] And that swap basically happened right before the award.
[00:14:22] I want to say three minutes before we were rolling.
[00:14:26] Okay.
[00:14:27] So you all right.
[00:14:28] So how are they?
[00:14:29] So wild.
[00:14:30] Are they fun?
[00:14:31] They are.
[00:14:32] I mean, I think you know, I think it's a lot of work for anyone going but like especially
[00:14:38] for women, it's you know, it's a full day of.
[00:14:42] You got to put all your shit on.
[00:14:44] Yeah.
[00:14:45] And I'm not even like, you know, you see these like whatever, you know, get ready with
[00:14:48] me with like Reese Witherspoon getting ready for the Oscars.
[00:14:50] Obviously I'm not doing that.
[00:14:53] But like even just having your makeup done, it takes a really long time and then like getting
[00:14:58] into uncomfortable evening wear and you it starts at like four.
[00:15:04] Right.
[00:15:05] It goes until, you know, with an after party till like one a.m.
[00:15:08] I sound like such a like worrying person.
[00:15:11] Like how many of you saying there's just like a lot.
[00:15:13] It's just like a draw truly the most exhausting thing I've ever gone through.
[00:15:18] Like I dread just like feeling tired by it.
[00:15:21] Which to go home with that hard one.
[00:15:23] I know.
[00:15:24] I know.
[00:15:25] I know.
[00:15:26] I don't think the Emmy trophies they're named for her.
[00:15:27] Like I think just an Emmy and Emily and Emily.
[00:15:31] You got to see Emily.
[00:15:33] Yeah, but no, I mean, no, it's a huge getting dressed is the worst.
[00:15:37] It is.
[00:15:38] And he getting dressed.
[00:15:39] Yeah.
[00:15:40] Well, I will say like sure, but I also see David's like a toddler throw in a foot every
[00:15:45] time his wife tries to pull a shirt over his head.
[00:15:49] But like I, I think also post pandemic like, I don't know if you guys feel this way and
[00:15:55] I know we're getting really off topic here.
[00:15:57] But, but I think it takes like more effort to like get dressed up.
[00:16:02] Like I enjoy it because it represents like, oh, we're back out there again.
[00:16:06] We're seeing people.
[00:16:07] We're doing things.
[00:16:08] We're not home all the time.
[00:16:09] But at the same time, it's like, yeah, we spent like two years in sweatpants.
[00:16:12] So shoes on as an emotional process for me now.
[00:16:15] It is just leasing up sneakers.
[00:16:16] Oh my god.
[00:16:17] The bed.
[00:16:18] Some deep breaths.
[00:16:19] Absolutely.
[00:16:20] I got a tie at again.
[00:16:21] You can't define something to put your foot up on.
[00:16:24] Loop loop.
[00:16:25] I know.
[00:16:26] Oh my god.
[00:16:27] Another little bite of two with these.
[00:16:29] Have I said this on the podcast?
[00:16:31] We have a stream line this year.
[00:16:32] I do bunny ears to this day.
[00:16:35] Oh, it's embarrassing.
[00:16:37] I think you know, bunny ears been no.
[00:16:40] Well, you know how it's like to tie your shoes isn't what's it like loop swoop pull or
[00:16:43] whatever whatever you're taught.
[00:16:45] I was bad at that when I was like, you know, I was so bad at it.
[00:16:48] I didn't understand it.
[00:16:49] It doesn't work.
[00:16:50] So someone taught me bunny ears where you make like kind of two loops and tie them together
[00:16:55] yeah.
[00:16:56] And I just that's how I tie my shoes forever.
[00:16:59] I never like no one ever later was it works fine.
[00:17:02] Party knot it holds.
[00:17:03] Yeah, hold.
[00:17:04] I do that too.
[00:17:06] Okay.
[00:17:07] So we're okay.
[00:17:08] But you double knot right?
[00:17:09] I double knot.
[00:17:10] Oh, thank god.
[00:17:11] Single knot.
[00:17:12] Single knot.
[00:17:13] Single knot.
[00:17:14] Yeah.
[00:17:15] What do you tie your shoes like 40 times a day?
[00:17:18] They sometimes come on tied.
[00:17:20] Yeah.
[00:17:21] Then like to live on the edge.
[00:17:22] That's so daredevil.
[00:17:23] Well, that is a risk taker.
[00:17:26] Yeah.
[00:17:27] Jamie, the point you're making about this feeling like a movie caught in an interesting
[00:17:32] transitional point between errors of filmmaking just put this in context.
[00:17:37] John McTeeernan, the guy who we're covering right now on the podcast his first movie No
[00:17:41] One Seas.
[00:17:42] What is it?
[00:17:43] It's called No Man.
[00:17:44] It's with Pierce Bros and doing a very bad French accent being chased by some punks
[00:17:47] in a van.
[00:17:48] Okay.
[00:17:49] It basically is just a demo reel that gets his foot in the door.
[00:17:52] Although I think he probably intended for it to be more, but it's well crafted enough
[00:17:58] that studios are like, I guess we can hand this guy money.
[00:18:00] He knows where to put the camera.
[00:18:02] We found it pretty boring.
[00:18:03] His next three movies after that are Predator, Die Hard and the Hunt for Red October.
[00:18:10] So he makes three fucking humongous movie star movies that are like kind of culture defining
[00:18:17] and start to provide a template for what the 90s are going to be.
[00:18:21] Like those movies are 87, 88, 90 I think.
[00:18:25] Yeah.
[00:18:26] And become like, oh, this is what studios want to make.
[00:18:27] I never saw Hunt for Red October and I'm sure you guys already covered that.
[00:18:31] We will have covered it.
[00:18:32] We will.
[00:18:33] We will.
[00:18:34] We haven't recorded the episode.
[00:18:35] What is that about just quickly?
[00:18:37] The Hunt for Red October.
[00:18:38] It's just to give me some context because I think the other one.
[00:18:40] It's Tom Clancy movie.
[00:18:41] Okay.
[00:18:42] And it's Sean Connery as a Russian submarine captain.
[00:18:45] And Alex Baldwin as Jack Ryan, CAA and Alex.
[00:18:49] It's basically Jack Ryan figures out.
[00:18:51] Have you ever seen that bet you haven't?
[00:18:53] I've seen it for Red October.
[00:18:54] Oh, the fuck are you talking about?
[00:18:55] I thought you might not have seen it.
[00:18:56] You know like more movies.
[00:18:58] I like fucking I like submarines.
[00:19:00] I guess.
[00:19:01] Yeah, submarines are cool.
[00:19:02] So my dark cool.
[00:19:03] Yeah, it's like this, this Russian guy captain decides to defect.
[00:19:07] And he's in charge of a very powerful submarine called Red October.
[00:19:11] But it's like a movie that gets thought of as an action movie.
[00:19:13] That's really a negotiation movie.
[00:19:15] Is that fair to say?
[00:19:16] Yes, I mean, it's not really one way and it's big character-y kind of yes.
[00:19:22] And it's like these two guys sort of circling each other trying to figure out their motivations
[00:19:27] until the last act they're finally on the submarine together.
[00:19:29] Okay.
[00:19:30] Okay.
[00:19:31] But is I mean a huge movie.
[00:19:34] It's yeah big.
[00:19:35] A film that is intended to be a franchise starter which it does end up being in a weird
[00:19:39] circuitous way.
[00:19:40] It's based off the biggest book at that time.
[00:19:43] It stars one guy in his like attempt to ascend to the A list and then this legendary movie
[00:19:48] star.
[00:19:49] And they'll keep making Jack Ryan movies for the next 15 years off of that.
[00:19:53] Yeah, so like three movies that are like this is what studios want.
[00:19:56] This is the model.
[00:19:57] He did it.
[00:19:58] He did it.
[00:19:59] And he in the very little information that is out there on this film's Wikipedia page.
[00:20:06] There's the one quote that is from a movie line piece that he did in 2001 before he
[00:20:12] went to jail.
[00:20:13] We will circle back to this.
[00:20:15] Okay.
[00:20:16] He did go to jail.
[00:20:17] And interview John McTiernan did titled the extreme sport of being John McTiernan and
[00:20:21] this must have been to promote roller ball.
[00:20:23] And his line about medicine man was it was a little art movie with Sean Connery that
[00:20:30] only cost 27 million.
[00:20:32] If the press hadn't defined it as an action movie, it probably wouldn't have been considered
[00:20:36] a disappointment.
[00:20:37] Now, I find it fascinating that he thinks of this as a little art movie.
[00:20:42] I understand it.
[00:20:43] Fascinating.
[00:20:44] He said it was like a character piece, an adult character piece I did with Sean Connery
[00:20:49] and it was perceived as an action movie.
[00:20:51] And that's why people disliked it.
[00:20:53] That holds a little water of like I was trying to do something outside of my box.
[00:20:58] It was sold as a blockbuster.
[00:20:59] It wasn't to call it a little art movie when it stars one the biggest stars in history.
[00:21:05] It's like made by major studio put out by a major studio.
[00:21:08] He says it costs 27 million dollars.
[00:21:11] Many sources say it cost 40, which if it was 40 that's more than any of his films had
[00:21:16] cost up until this point.
[00:21:18] If it's 40 that's more than the budget of red October predator die hard.
[00:21:23] And even if it's 27, it's basically in the ballpark of what those movies cost.
[00:21:27] Yeah, I think he's knocking the price down.
[00:21:30] No question.
[00:21:31] For sure.
[00:21:32] Yeah.
[00:21:33] Yeah.
[00:21:34] It's not like insane.
[00:21:36] But even calling it an art movie is insane in comparison to his prior three movies.
[00:21:41] It's more of an art movie than it's about relationships and yeah, man's relationship
[00:21:46] to nature.
[00:21:47] I got this career had roaded up so much so fast that he's like, oh, this is my like
[00:21:51] little art project.
[00:21:53] Yes.
[00:21:54] And it's like no, this is trying to make like a big sweeping old Hollywood like adventure
[00:21:58] romance comedy.
[00:22:00] Right.
[00:22:01] Epic.
[00:22:03] Yeah, you can tell that the goal was like epic.
[00:22:06] Yes.
[00:22:07] He wants to make African queen.
[00:22:08] He wants to make an illustration.
[00:22:10] He wants to make, you know, anytime someone is like in the jungle going through the brush,
[00:22:18] you know, just being like, uh, like whatever, poked with branches, whatever.
[00:22:22] And then they come to that point where they are like, and it's just the water or the mountains
[00:22:29] and you get that huge, you know, panoramic of like, oh, baby, we're in paradise.
[00:22:35] You're like, that's avatar.
[00:22:37] Like that's you know what I mean?
[00:22:39] That's how little that's how little art film avatar.
[00:22:42] Yes.
[00:22:43] But that's you're right.
[00:22:45] Like that is something that in and of itself is like you associate that moment with
[00:22:49] like huge Hollywood grandeur.
[00:22:51] Absolutely.
[00:22:52] Oh, they could fly there and send a whole crew there and photograph the majesty.
[00:22:56] That's not art film.
[00:22:57] And it's not like he's like, oh, I'm like Verna Herzog and I just went there with five
[00:23:01] people and we were there for two years.
[00:23:03] And I lost my mind in the jungle but we were bootstrapping it.
[00:23:06] Right.
[00:23:07] Also so many, I guess, extras or what would we yeah, they also had a lot of actors.
[00:23:15] Yeah.
[00:23:16] Maybe depending on where they shot this.
[00:23:18] That's true.
[00:23:19] I guess we can look at that.
[00:23:20] I guess we can look at that.
[00:23:21] I guess we can look at that.
[00:23:22] I guess we can look at that.
[00:23:23] Most of it, right?
[00:23:24] Like the, well, you know what?
[00:23:25] As Griffin saying, one of those movies where the Wikipedia entry is like they shot it in
[00:23:29] March and finished in July.
[00:23:31] Okay.
[00:23:32] Right.
[00:23:33] Like there's no information.
[00:23:34] No one like this is not a movie that anyone cares enough to have learned about and then
[00:23:38] sat down and been like, let me write a paragraph on Wikipedia later in his career.
[00:23:42] He makes flops that are so big that people study them.
[00:23:45] Oh, really?
[00:23:46] Whereas this is just kind of like I don't what is that he made a move called medicine.
[00:23:50] Yeah.
[00:23:51] It when you told me that was the movie we were going to be talking about.
[00:23:54] I was like, I know that movie.
[00:23:55] I like knew it.
[00:23:56] I could picture video store box movies.
[00:23:59] Yes.
[00:24:00] Yes.
[00:24:01] I could picture it.
[00:24:02] I could vaguely remember it coming out.
[00:24:03] I posted about it and a lot of people said there was like a school movie that they're
[00:24:07] like biology teacher or whatever.
[00:24:10] Like some science teacher would be like, we're going to watch fucking medicine man.
[00:24:14] This movie is quote unquote educational.
[00:24:16] Wow.
[00:24:17] Well, there's absolutely no sexual chemistry tension.
[00:24:21] It's sexuality.
[00:24:22] It is low.
[00:24:23] So I guess it's very.
[00:24:24] It's low school children.
[00:24:25] Absolutely.
[00:24:26] Absolutely.
[00:24:27] Not really much going on and they do talk about like molecules or what?
[00:24:31] I understand.
[00:24:32] Look, I understand that they want them to have this sort of push and pull bickering chemistry.
[00:24:38] Yeah.
[00:24:39] But there's like anti chemistry in this movie is so severe.
[00:24:41] Where I was like, what would I relate this to the way they're reacting to each other
[00:24:44] on screen?
[00:24:45] And the closest analog I come up to was someone filming a Karen yelling at an employee
[00:24:51] at a store and the employee just doesn't want to be on camera.
[00:24:55] So God, that is so dead on.
[00:24:57] Right.
[00:24:58] It's like the energy of like she's just yelling at him and he's just like, I'm just I'm
[00:25:01] trying to do my job here.
[00:25:03] I mean, lady, I'm not looking to get into a fight.
[00:25:05] The dynamic too.
[00:25:07] It's interesting because you know it's the classic thing of like they start, you know,
[00:25:11] at the top, they hate each other.
[00:25:13] But by the end it's like at the top, they don't hate each other.
[00:25:16] No, they are like fighting like they've been married for 60 years.
[00:25:22] But they're the law, but not in the cute way, not in the light, but they would never leave
[00:25:26] each other like they've debated divorcing throughout their entire marriage.
[00:25:29] Right.
[00:25:30] And that's where they meet is too lazy to divorce.
[00:25:33] Yes.
[00:25:34] So angry.
[00:25:35] Right.
[00:25:36] And by the way, of course, there's a couple of mentions of like I didn't know they were
[00:25:38] sending a woman.
[00:25:39] You know, there's that.
[00:25:40] There was like two or three of those.
[00:25:42] So I can understand that being like fuel for her to be annoyed.
[00:25:47] But I didn't even feel like she heard that.
[00:25:50] No.
[00:25:51] She's just pissed.
[00:25:52] Her default is pissed.
[00:25:54] Angry person.
[00:25:55] Pist.
[00:25:56] Yeah.
[00:25:57] And it's not because of the sexism.
[00:25:58] She's a good act.
[00:25:59] I agree with you.
[00:26:00] She's given good performance.
[00:26:01] Yes.
[00:26:02] If you showed me this and I'd never seen anything else by her and said, what do you think?
[00:26:05] I would say I don't think she's good.
[00:26:07] She's in a different way than he is.
[00:26:09] Yes.
[00:26:10] It does feel like whatever she drilled down to on day one of like, here's how I'm going
[00:26:13] to approach this role.
[00:26:15] That's.
[00:26:16] Yep.
[00:26:17] Someone should have been like, Hey, hey, this is all wrong.
[00:26:19] You really cannot do this.
[00:26:21] Nice.
[00:26:22] This isn't a minor note.
[00:26:23] This is a let's knock the tower down and start from scratch.
[00:26:27] This is a, hey, the design of the predator isn't working.
[00:26:30] You need to shut down production for a week.
[00:26:31] That's exactly right.
[00:26:33] You cannot just be at this energy from minute one.
[00:26:37] If this is what she's doing on day one, you shut down production for a week.
[00:26:41] You go into like table work trying to find the right energy and if it doesn't work,
[00:26:45] you recast.
[00:26:46] Griffin, I think that they did shoot in order because it feels like a conversation was
[00:26:51] had.
[00:26:52] Yes.
[00:26:53] Maybe it mellows of it.
[00:26:54] It mellows and it's not and what I was saying before.
[00:26:56] The first 20 minutes is the most.
[00:26:58] It doesn't get anywhere good.
[00:26:59] No, but there's the opening.
[00:27:01] The opening.
[00:27:02] It opens with severity.
[00:27:03] And you're like, how much of this do I got to watch?
[00:27:06] And it's everything is like, oh, she's like so flabbergasted and just like, it isn't
[00:27:12] an insane energy.
[00:27:14] And he's not matching it.
[00:27:15] And I know he's been there longer.
[00:27:18] She's the one coming in.
[00:27:19] She's been on the long journey.
[00:27:20] Like, I know all the things still didn't justify that level.
[00:27:24] Also, like movie star wise, right?
[00:27:26] He's in like a decade five.
[00:27:28] He's giving you this.
[00:27:30] He's giving you this.
[00:27:31] You're going to take Connery aside and be like, hey, buddy, like this is a weird take
[00:27:35] to it.
[00:27:36] It's like, no, this is something that he knows what he's doing.
[00:27:38] He's default movie star energy is a little brash, right?
[00:27:41] Yeah.
[00:27:42] You're ready like a guy who leads with like, there's something a little animalistic and scary
[00:27:46] about him.
[00:27:47] He's going to be a big broad guy.
[00:27:48] He's going to be a tough nut to crack.
[00:27:50] He's not going to let anyone in.
[00:27:51] So you want to ask someone to counter his energy, not someone who's going to be angrier
[00:27:56] than he is on the internet.
[00:27:57] That's exactly yes.
[00:27:58] It's it's it's fighting fire with fire.
[00:27:59] Totally.
[00:28:00] But her it's like shooting bullets at a train like he's Sean Connery.
[00:28:03] This is my other point.
[00:28:04] He's just like, I don't care about you.
[00:28:06] He doesn't care what you say to him.
[00:28:10] He will break a show around and his movie star energy too that it's just like that's
[00:28:14] the way it was off of him.
[00:28:15] You feel no effort.
[00:28:16] He is undeniably captivating even when he's missed cast in a movie.
[00:28:19] He's unbelievable.
[00:28:20] He's a movie star.
[00:28:21] He is fully a movie star.
[00:28:23] And you really see it when she's like flailing off the rails in her performance at the beginning.
[00:28:29] I do think it softens and and becomes more grounded with him.
[00:28:34] Yes.
[00:28:34] But in those first few scenes, you're just like, whoa.
[00:28:38] Like he is he is holding court here acting wise.
[00:28:42] Yes.
[00:28:43] It's just wow.
[00:28:44] Like this is presumably I mean, this is two years after good fellows, which is her like
[00:28:48] big American breakthrough.
[00:28:50] She gets an Oscar nomination.
[00:28:52] This is one of those classic.
[00:28:53] Let's try out to see if they're a movie star things, right?
[00:28:56] You're someone with great supporting performance and a serious movie.
[00:28:59] Let's put him above the title.
[00:29:01] Put them as the second face on the poster.
[00:29:03] Maybe if they work as a lead and it feels like everyone bats this down careers kind of
[00:29:07] fuck until the sopranos after this.
[00:29:11] But they mean you're right.
[00:29:12] I mean, she does even cowgirls get the blues, which is also a bomb.
[00:29:18] And then that radio flyer, which is weirdly similar to this movie in like big director,
[00:29:25] high price script acquisition, hot script and Hollywood gets the big part and it comes
[00:29:30] out and everyone's like, what the fuck is she's also she's like,
[00:29:33] the lead of that movie, but it's a kid.
[00:29:35] Right.
[00:29:36] Radio flyer was like low key like quite sad.
[00:29:38] Yeah.
[00:29:39] Yeah.
[00:29:40] Radio flyer was like the hottest spec scripted everyone was losing their fucking minds over
[00:29:44] and everyone's fighting to get it.
[00:29:46] And all this top town comes together and it comes out in theaters and people are like,
[00:29:50] this is really dark and depressing.
[00:29:53] Why did people think this was commercial?
[00:29:54] It's also not good.
[00:29:56] She's also in that.
[00:29:57] I remember crying when I saw it.
[00:29:59] Like the magic of being a child, land of imagination movie where the whole thing is based
[00:30:04] on.
[00:30:05] They imagine that their radio flyer wagon is going to fly them away to space but it turns
[00:30:09] out the whole movie is them like trying to process abuse.
[00:30:12] Yeah.
[00:30:13] That's right.
[00:30:14] That's the twist is like the radio flyers just a wagon.
[00:30:17] Yeah.
[00:30:18] That's the wagon.
[00:30:19] But why does why is there a wagon called radio?
[00:30:21] I like in the when I'm at the playground, I still see radio.
[00:30:24] Oh my god.
[00:30:25] I'm asking questions of the movie.
[00:30:26] You're asking questions of the radio.
[00:30:27] What is it called a radio flyer?
[00:30:29] I don't know what fucking I think.
[00:30:30] What's the animal abuse in it?
[00:30:31] I might be conflating it with the cure.
[00:30:33] Do you remember that movie?
[00:30:35] Yes.
[00:30:36] For some reason, my head they're kind of similar.
[00:30:38] The cure I think maybe also, I think both movies have Joe and Miss Ella in them.
[00:30:41] And they have, they just like children trying to like-
[00:30:45] The cure is about eight.
[00:30:46] It is about eights.
[00:30:47] And the right that's rain from.
[00:30:49] The other side is fro.
[00:30:50] There was just, I remember the sort of like the two of them playing together.
[00:30:54] It's like they can shut out reality.
[00:30:56] Yes.
[00:30:57] Because reality is like so harsh.
[00:30:59] It was a thing I would was really into.
[00:31:02] But for those to be hooked to 92 movies and radio flyers obviously sold less on her even
[00:31:07] though you're right, she is like a stensibly the top build lead actor in it.
[00:31:11] Certainly the lead adult.
[00:31:12] Right.
[00:31:13] She's not on the poster.
[00:31:14] Right.
[00:31:15] She kind of gets taken down by these two in a way we're just like-
[00:31:18] There's a third movie she's getting taken down by.
[00:31:21] What's the third one?
[00:31:22] Film called Traces of Red have you heard of it?
[00:31:24] No.
[00:31:25] Do you like erotic thrillers from the early 90s?
[00:31:28] Like you know, basic and stanked or how do I know?
[00:31:31] In like a nostalgic way.
[00:31:32] Okay well like how do you feel about like an erotic thriller starring Jim Belushi?
[00:31:36] Like what's your level of interest in an erotic thriller?
[00:31:43] Wait a minute she's the female rocker.
[00:31:44] She's the female rocker.
[00:31:45] That's too much.
[00:31:46] And I'm going to find you the poster and you kind of love it.
[00:31:48] I mean too much slashing on enough.
[00:31:50] Yeah.
[00:31:52] Which like Jim Belushi there were traces of red and that studio is quarterly earnings.
[00:31:57] When that fucking movie came out more than Traces it's yeah.
[00:32:01] Look at this poster.
[00:32:02] This is the most-
[00:32:03] Wait I need to get a couple of minutes.
[00:32:04] It's like fucking attacking her neck like Dracula.
[00:32:07] Yeah, like this is maybe the least appealing poster I've ever seen in my entire life.
[00:32:11] Like if I'm in like a multiplex I'm like I'm going to actually write physically
[00:32:17] write down but I don't want to see Traces of Red.
[00:32:19] I'm going to take out my pocket for anyway.
[00:32:22] Just make sure that I don't even make a mistake.
[00:32:28] David?
[00:32:29] Yes.
[00:32:30] I co-host a podcast.
[00:32:31] I don't know if you are aware.
[00:32:32] I play a chick group from David.
[00:32:34] You actually you you are the other host on yet I know what to say I have to expect.
[00:32:38] All you need to know is the name of the show is Blank Check.
[00:32:41] People think it must be real cushy being a podcast host.
[00:32:45] Sure.
[00:32:46] Get to watch movies and talk about them.
[00:32:47] Oh.
[00:32:48] What a nice existence you got.
[00:32:50] But they're not considering how much I worry about everything.
[00:32:54] Well, you do.
[00:32:55] Are my takes hot enough?
[00:32:57] Are they too hot?
[00:32:58] Uh huh.
[00:32:59] Am I entering the discourse am I leaving out?
[00:33:01] I forget to mention some important piece of context.
[00:33:05] Did I not consider that one movie I dislike was another person's favorite movie and
[00:33:10] that was rude of them to hear me say that?
[00:33:12] And one thing I never have to worry about when I host is whether my guests will find their
[00:33:17] sleeping accommodations up to scratch.
[00:33:19] Oh, interesting why?
[00:33:21] Well, I'm realizing now that this copy is about hosting people at your home.
[00:33:25] Uh huh.
[00:33:26] Like hosting guests.
[00:33:27] Something you never do.
[00:33:28] Right and I just read this as if they were obviously asking me to talk about being
[00:33:31] a host of a podcast.
[00:33:32] And I'm just a realizing this in real time and we're not taking this over.
[00:33:36] This is the F 100%.
[00:33:38] 100% you're talking about Burrow's new shift sleeper sofa.
[00:33:42] Exactly.
[00:33:43] It's one of those things everyone should have in their home.
[00:33:45] It's a comfortable everyday sofa that easily converts into a queen size sleep surface.
[00:33:50] That's a nice surface.
[00:33:52] Genuine queen size, not a full, full queen size sleep surface that sleeps to people very
[00:33:58] comfortably.
[00:33:59] I've got a burrow.
[00:34:00] Oh, you do.
[00:34:01] I do.
[00:34:02] I don't have to sleep for sofa, although I am very intrigued.
[00:34:05] Uh huh.
[00:34:06] I do have the Nomad sofa plus the sleep kit which is another like sleep thing that they
[00:34:10] are.
[00:34:11] Sure.
[00:34:12] Which is really good.
[00:34:13] I live in New York City.
[00:34:14] It's hard to get couches, David through doors and upstairs and so on and so forth.
[00:34:20] The burrow breaks down very easily and then you assemble it in your house.
[00:34:24] It's easy to get in.
[00:34:25] It's easy to get out.
[00:34:26] I had a burrow at my old apartment.
[00:34:27] Yeah.
[00:34:28] I miss it actually.
[00:34:29] Go get it.
[00:34:30] No, maybe.
[00:34:31] But I'll tell you here's another thing I like.
[00:34:32] I know this isn't the one they specifically brought in a couple of garbage bags.
[00:34:35] I'm going to get them the six tricks.
[00:34:36] You could bring it over one piece at a time.
[00:34:38] You could.
[00:34:39] It's easy to assemble.
[00:34:40] It's easier to disassemble.
[00:34:41] It's easily moved and I said to like the move.
[00:34:43] I was like, I said this couch comes apart and he's like, Oh, believe me.
[00:34:46] I'm very familiar with burrows.
[00:34:47] They are great for moving.
[00:34:48] You want movers to like you?
[00:34:50] Yes.
[00:34:51] Buy some burrows.
[00:34:52] Here's the other thing.
[00:34:53] You hear that you go, oh, this is going to look like it's made out of plain will be
[00:34:55] alert.
[00:34:56] Right.
[00:34:57] Right.
[00:34:58] Oh, must be junky.
[00:34:59] It must be junky.
[00:35:00] No, you could fool anyone.
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[00:36:32] She got a razzie nod for this for traces of red and this.
[00:36:37] A split like a sort of like a you had a bad year.
[00:36:40] This is a catastrophic like good fellows.
[00:36:43] Okay, here's a good actor.
[00:36:45] Three movies knocks her right back down to like the fucking miners and then yeah, it's
[00:36:50] like sopranos is kind of boasting the fact that they've gotten her where it's like we
[00:36:55] got an academy award nominee to do a television show because like just to finish it up.
[00:37:01] It's like yeah, after the cowgirls get the blues, it's basically like basketball diaries
[00:37:05] and riding in cars with boys and stuff.
[00:37:07] It's like she's a mom now, like you know, she doesn't even get to have any fun.
[00:37:11] And when sopranos comes to her there, like you'll play the mob wife.
[00:37:14] You're gonna just give you the good fellows role here.
[00:37:16] You'll play Carmella and she's like I don't want to do that already did that.
[00:37:20] Can I play the psychiatrist?
[00:37:21] Yeah, okay.
[00:37:22] You know, like because again they want it right, you know, the prestige of her mattered
[00:37:26] still on television.
[00:37:28] On television, the academy award nominations within a decade still mattered.
[00:37:33] And the first season is sold so hard on the therapy, which is obviously a bigger part
[00:37:38] of the first season than it is the later ones.
[00:37:40] But like the first season, it's like look we got Lorraine Braco on TV.
[00:37:44] We know you hated her last five movies.
[00:37:46] She's back.
[00:37:47] She's awesome.
[00:37:48] Do you like this sopranos?
[00:37:50] So I'm one of those people who is not like fully seen it.
[00:37:53] I've seen like two or three episodes.
[00:37:56] So you don't know good Lorraine Braco.
[00:37:58] I mean, I've seen her.
[00:38:00] I think of her in the sopranos and the episodes that I've seen.
[00:38:03] She's incredibly good on this.
[00:38:04] Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:05] She's so I know she can be good.
[00:38:08] So I think this is probably just a case of bad match.
[00:38:11] And also this script is dark.
[00:38:13] Yeah, directing maybe they told her to ham it up.
[00:38:15] I mean, it's kind of a hammy movie in a weird way.
[00:38:17] And there's nowhere else to get any fucking energy from in this movie because it's just
[00:38:21] people sitting in a tent being like, now we're not fucking cure for cancer.
[00:38:24] You know, like if you want hammy then she's the wrong choice.
[00:38:28] I just feel I am so curious who else went out for this.
[00:38:32] I need or or they were talking.
[00:38:34] Let's see what's in here.
[00:38:35] Okay, okay.
[00:38:36] Red October huge hit.
[00:38:38] Let's make a sequel wide away.
[00:38:39] They want to make Patrick Ames which doesn't up being the next Jack Ryan movie.
[00:38:43] John McTernan has always said I never wanted to make that movie because the IRA are the villains
[00:38:47] in it.
[00:38:48] And hey, maybe I'm not pro IRA maybe but like I'm Irish American.
[00:38:52] I don't want to make some movie with like these like Irish filmmaking.
[00:38:55] But slightly more politically conscious filmmaker than a lot of the other action guys
[00:38:58] of this era.
[00:38:59] He doesn't want to want to leave villainize.
[00:39:02] He claims also that's why I like Baldwin didn't do it but like without Baldwin you kind
[00:39:06] of never know what the real reason for him losing a movie.
[00:39:09] When Baldwin gets hung for red October, it's like this is your bond.
[00:39:12] You're going to play this guy forever.
[00:39:15] And then he is dropped in favor of Harrison Ford for the sequels.
[00:39:19] And there are a thousand conflicting stories about what happened there.
[00:39:23] Because he says it was his choice to drop out.
[00:39:26] Sometimes he says that Paramount pushed him out whatever it is but either way, it's like
[00:39:31] there's no direct sequel to that movie.
[00:39:33] Teren doesn't come back.
[00:39:34] Baldwin doesn't come back.
[00:39:35] And the other part of it is when Sean Connery gets cast as the villain in hunt for red October
[00:39:40] it's like well now this is a Sean Connery movie.
[00:39:43] Now Baldwin has been overshadowed and what's supposed to be his franchise.
[00:39:48] Okay.
[00:39:49] So the whole thing kind of yeah turns into something else.
[00:39:52] So he but he wants to make a movie with Connery.
[00:39:54] They try to make this movie called Road Show which is an adaptation of a novel that people
[00:39:58] have been trying to make for like 20 years.
[00:40:00] Okay.
[00:40:01] Like Martin Ritt tried to make it with Jack Nicholson or whatever.
[00:40:04] But the big takeaway is like Connery wants to team up with Teren and again.
[00:40:08] So then he gets attached to a Robin Hood movie, but then costner's Robin Hood movie gets
[00:40:14] like you know outtakes it.
[00:40:16] Yeah.
[00:40:17] So Henry, Connery is in that.
[00:40:19] Robin and Marion.
[00:40:21] Sure, but also Connery is in Robin Hood, Prince of the look you know who cares?
[00:40:24] That was not what Connery would do.
[00:40:29] It makes sense for me to turn into one and do a round.
[00:40:32] Just not with Connery.
[00:40:33] So all right.
[00:40:34] A side for putting that aside.
[00:40:37] Coralco pictures maybe is sort of falling apart at this point, but the guy who created
[00:40:43] that Andrew Vanya.
[00:40:45] D. Pays Tom Schillman who had just won an Oscar for writing Dead Poets Society.
[00:40:50] A career we're going to have to talk about in a second.
[00:40:53] Three somewhere between two and a half and three million dollars in 1989 for this script.
[00:41:00] It's called the stand, the script, the original script title.
[00:41:05] That's the name of of course a well known Stephen King novel so they changed the name.
[00:41:08] But yes it's about a doctor finding a cure for cancer in the Amazonian rainforest.
[00:41:14] They hire John McTurne and they pay him six million dollars.
[00:41:17] It's a lot of money in 1989.
[00:41:19] Money being thrown at this.
[00:41:20] Money now.
[00:41:21] It's more than a week.
[00:41:22] They pay Tom Stopper to a million dollars to do rewrites.
[00:41:26] So Connery gets ten and Stopper indeed gets a million dollars to rewrite the script.
[00:41:33] They're trying to convince me that they've just spent a fortune.
[00:41:38] This is why the movie actually cost four like 40.
[00:41:40] Of course.
[00:41:41] But maybe Tim McTurne is like look it costs 27 when you take all the bullshit salary.
[00:41:46] So maybe that's what he means.
[00:41:48] I will guess what to do to your salary or is a big part of that.
[00:41:51] But the idea you're going to spend a fortune on a script.
[00:41:54] And then be like hey let's get Tom Stopper to fix up this piece of shit script.
[00:41:58] He's like why'd you buy it?
[00:41:59] What the fuck are you doing?
[00:42:00] I just can't even imagine reading like an earlier iteration of this and then being like oh there is something here.
[00:42:09] We got it.
[00:42:10] I mean unless it's like it just sort of leaps off the page, it doesn't feel like the kind
[00:42:18] of movie that would leap off the page.
[00:42:19] It does not.
[00:42:20] And certainly not as a film of this size.
[00:42:23] That's exactly right.
[00:42:24] I could see a version of this where you're like this is a good adult drama.
[00:42:28] Let's make this for ten million dollars.
[00:42:31] Not like this is fucking money in the bank.
[00:42:34] But Radio Fire was the same thing where you're like who reads this abuse script?
[00:42:38] Like about children disassociating and goes like I think this needs to be on every screen
[00:42:43] in America.
[00:42:44] So they're taste back then was yeah and they wanted people to feel bad.
[00:42:50] They did.
[00:42:51] Feeling bad was like kind of synonymous with feeling cool.
[00:42:53] But are you feeling bad in a very glossy way?
[00:42:56] Yeah, right.
[00:42:57] Like can we take American independent cinema is happening all of a sudden.
[00:43:01] There's dark dramatic movies that deal with intense subjects so can we make a glossy
[00:43:05] version?
[00:43:06] By the way in the film that makes sense.
[00:43:08] There were like shiny Hollywood issue films with giant movie stars that touched difficult
[00:43:13] subjects and did it in a way that was not uplifting but had a sort of sweep and romantic
[00:43:18] grandeur to them.
[00:43:20] I just want to tumshelman sidebar for a second.
[00:43:23] Tumshelman.
[00:43:24] The guy works in TV right?
[00:43:26] Then he writes dead poet society which is based on his own life experience in a boarding
[00:43:30] school.
[00:43:31] It is a weird one though where you watch that movie and you're like well this is based
[00:43:33] on like a book or something right.
[00:43:34] It's like no, this was an original screenplay.
[00:43:36] I always thought it was based on a book.
[00:43:39] And like fucking rockets.
[00:43:40] It's a real huge.
[00:43:41] It's a real huge.
[00:43:42] Yeah, it sells for a ton of money.
[00:43:43] He wins the Oscar.
[00:43:45] Here's his career after that.
[00:43:46] Okay.
[00:43:47] The same year as dead poet society which is his like first produced feature screenplay.
[00:43:54] He gets a credit on Honey Ashrenk the kids because he wrote the original version before
[00:43:59] it was rewritten to be a comedy.
[00:44:01] This is when it was going to be a serious action thriller called Teenie Weenies.
[00:44:07] This is true.
[00:44:08] Let's move on.
[00:44:09] Let's move on.
[00:44:10] We can't spend too much time.
[00:44:11] You're right.
[00:44:12] Then he did second sight which is a Bronson Pinsho John Lerocat science fiction buddy
[00:44:17] cop comedy where Bronson Pinsho it's a paranormal detective and a psychic.
[00:44:23] Okay.
[00:44:24] Okay.
[00:44:25] Then so those those are his 89 films but now let's look at like what does he do after
[00:44:29] he's won the Oscar after he's had dead poets aside right.
[00:44:32] What about Bob?
[00:44:34] That's a good credit.
[00:44:35] It's him doing a broad comedy but with darkness, good people would have right people like
[00:44:39] that movie right like you know that feels like a Ben movie what about Bob is that
[00:44:43] a movie absolutely.
[00:44:44] Absolutely.
[00:44:45] It's like a local on cable a lot movie.
[00:44:47] Yeah well because um dry shirt reminds me of dry face sorry uh reminds me a lot of my
[00:44:54] father so I love to watch a movie seeing my dad be flustered by someone who's fun.
[00:45:01] This is Ben's favorite sub genre is like Clifford what about Bob really?
[00:45:06] Oh I was Clifford is incredible and Clifford is like an uptight straight man and like
[00:45:10] an even of chaos who drives them insane that's Ben's relationship with his dad like John
[00:45:14] K.
[00:45:15] Yes yes yes.
[00:45:16] I did rewatch what about Bob and it was it was not great.
[00:45:18] I did not like it is really cool.
[00:45:21] I loved it when I saw it the last time.
[00:45:23] It is one of those movies I feel like when you watch it with adult eyes you're like
[00:45:27] it's in a weird midpoint between being really dark or being just aggressively joke joke
[00:45:34] joke.
[00:45:35] Yep.
[00:45:36] But when you're a kid you're like I want to see an adult just constantly do bits like
[00:45:39] just be a bit tornado but then as an adult you're like oh my god you are interrupting
[00:45:44] this family's vacation monster.
[00:45:47] Yes yes yes sometimes that movie is sometimes digging into the psychological reality of
[00:45:51] it.
[00:45:52] Yeah and other times that's not.
[00:45:54] Also we're just in this place now where it's like oh god he walks around with a pet
[00:45:57] goldfish that's so sad.
[00:45:59] We don't think anything is funny anymore everything is just too real.
[00:46:05] He does that right?
[00:46:07] He does medicine man.
[00:46:09] Medicine man and decent proposal he gets executive producer cred on which means he probably
[00:46:13] wrote some draft.
[00:46:14] Right but you can't really get him credit for that.
[00:46:17] He's in guest screenplay credit then the only film he ever directs is eight heads in
[00:46:20] a duffle bag.
[00:46:21] Wrote and directed.
[00:46:23] The Joe Peschy murder comedy I like that movie too.
[00:46:26] I mean look I will say this he's kind of a major Ben filmmaker.
[00:46:30] I've never seen a heads in a duffle bag David it's such a great title although it's one
[00:46:35] of the least commercial titles imaginable like and becomes a shorthand joke for like the
[00:46:40] worst thing you could call him right right then he writes holy man which is the Eddie Murphy
[00:46:47] Bruce Lee.
[00:46:48] He's like a big.
[00:46:49] He's like a spiritual.
[00:46:50] That's a really comes a QVC salesman.
[00:46:52] It's a sucks that movie sucks.
[00:46:54] I don't know what geniuses he didn't write that the only other right that's a digital
[00:46:58] original movie gets executive producer credit on gets executive producer credit on me myself
[00:47:02] and Irene and his last green play credit is welcome to move sport.
[00:47:06] The rear of my gene hack been.
[00:47:08] Oh okay okay gene hack was good by this cinema.
[00:47:11] I just want it now that we've made that one and he left now that we finished that arc
[00:47:15] I just want to circle back and remind you that his career started with winning an Oscar
[00:47:18] for right out of the game.
[00:47:19] It's decided right but depots is high these bad right well you love Peter we're gonna have
[00:47:26] to do Peter we're because I want to do him so bad but that how do you do what how do you
[00:47:30] feel about depots society it's been a minute since I saw it I don't I remember it being
[00:47:34] very built up to me of like this is a masterpiece and then I yeah exactly and then
[00:47:41] you know I watched it and I was like I would I didn't I've seen stick I don't really have
[00:47:46] any scenes that stick with me there's no there's no like visuals that I clung to after
[00:47:51] seeing.
[00:47:52] I think if it is like obscenely cheesy yeah and like peer we are like can give you like
[00:47:57] autumnal right like he gives you sort of like it's lush yes but like this like the movie
[00:48:02] is kind of sort of a horseshit right I guess it's so mocked as well but like you know
[00:48:07] rip up your book and yeah who was the age of the students when the movie came out big
[00:48:13] movie for right if you were 16 and I make sure I guess we're gonna talk about it one
[00:48:19] day for sure yeah so medicine man okay so this big package they bring on McTahn
[00:48:25] sure McTernan and Connery like I said they're pitching it to the presses like okay action
[00:48:31] movie guy he's gonna pivot to something more adult here right like this is his maybe
[00:48:37] not Oscar moment but this is his like drama moment because this was the other thing I
[00:48:41] find fascinating we talked about McTernan being like refreshingly unpretentious yeah where
[00:48:47] he never had this sense of like and now I'm begging for respect ability I want the critics
[00:48:53] to see me as a major artist I'm gonna make Oscar bait right like he's not ever gonna do
[00:48:58] a dead poet society or a scent of a woman or something like this right just doing
[00:49:02] like big fun enjoyable right films and this movie does feel like a swing for him away from
[00:49:10] like action popcorn but it also doesn't feel like he's striving for Oscars it feels like
[00:49:15] he's just like yeah I want to make the type of picture they don't make it like Jamie was saying
[00:49:18] like that was a kind of movie that existed in the 90s still yes people were like this is not
[00:49:22] explicitly Oscar rapist and for granted some movie for granted right it was yes that's exactly
[00:49:27] right it's like this is something parents will go see right call the babysitter medicine man comes
[00:49:33] out of that right Sally Robinson who actually gets a credit and Tom stopper rewrite the movie it goes
[00:49:37] from the stand to the last days of Eden then it's called medicine man a Connery basically says they
[00:49:44] never liked the script while they're making the movie they're still rewriting it like did they
[00:49:52] start filling the way he puts it and this is in premier magazine in February 1992 so it's like
[00:49:58] this is intensively the feature selling the movie Conneries like we were working on the script
[00:50:02] all the time well into shooting don't start until you have the script but they were committed to
[00:50:07] the locations and after a certain period of time the tailwags the dog and here's the killer quote
[00:50:12] and you still haven't got the casting right so it sounds like Connery probably didn't love his
[00:50:17] co-star because there's no other actors in this film no like of you know of made he's not talking
[00:50:22] about like he's fucking one of the yeah tribesmen really right that's right with the pdf credits for
[00:50:30] actors it's Connery Lorraine Bronco and two Jose's Dr. Nega and the fourth person they credit is just
[00:50:36] government man okay so Bronco says this is this is from her autobiography okay which is called
[00:50:45] on the couch I wouldn't mind of the toughness to shoot so much if the script I give my character half
[00:50:52] a brain she's supposed to be brilliant scientist but you never would have known it from the lame
[00:50:56] dialogue the original script the one I'd read and loved was a lot different from this final script
[00:51:01] so maybe there was a good movie and Tom stopper that dunce fucked it up well I don't know
[00:51:08] he put on his dunce cap and went do do do do do onto a tight right or I or maybe he comes in
[00:51:14] and he's like this needs like you know some scubaal like romance energy I don't I mean I do agree
[00:51:21] with her though that like I mean look her performance isn't helping it I don't feel like this movie
[00:51:26] ever sells me on her being smart texturally like she's basically playing Dr. Vity Boom-Bots the whole movie
[00:51:33] yeah and it's not just because of the the accent is there anything funnier than Duffy Nee Boom-Bots
[00:51:42] oh my god no there's that was my joke when the Hassan Minash stuff went down where I'm like you
[00:51:49] know another thing I'm hearing is he didn't even you know Ronnie didn't even have a doctor named
[00:51:53] Duffy Nee Boom-Bots like I don't think that guy's real it's a construction no doctor would ever get
[00:51:59] a license if you were that bad right it's just like it feels like she's just giving false
[00:52:07] like assessments of things the entire film and the only time I actually am like oh she does seem
[00:52:13] pretty smart is when she says she's not qualified yeah when she's like I'm not a field
[00:52:18] when she was like I'm not a field scientist I own my feelings but there was like a moment where
[00:52:23] I was like oh her kind of admitting her her lack of experience makes me think she actually
[00:52:28] is really experienced in the thing she is experienced in right we're just not getting to see
[00:52:32] I should have you and so put me in a normal right let me a molecular bio bio lab or whatever nice
[00:52:39] I talk in hushed room tones um so some other facts about Lorraine Bronco apparently she was a
[00:52:45] model in DJ in France for most of the 70s and 80s pretty cool uh her big big break is good
[00:52:51] fellows essentially right her film her kind of starts late because she's modeling and
[00:52:54] and I guess DJing for years then she works in Italian films for a while she doesn't start doing
[00:53:00] English language movies until like the mid to late 80s and then good fellows like yeah
[00:53:05] kind of out of nowhere where she from she's from the Bronx I don't know where she might be
[00:53:11] I think she's from Brooklyn okay she's from Bay Ridge yeah Brooklyn uh her father he might
[00:53:17] be surprised to hear Italian Italian descent but her her mother is English uh and her mother was
[00:53:25] a war bride uh came over after world war two uh yeah you know and then she yes she was a model
[00:53:32] for Jean Paul Gautier in the 70s or in Bronco I had her pretty cool fast-sing life yeah she dated Harvey
[00:53:39] was maybe married to Harvey Harvey Kaito and then it's a Edward St. Thomas both of which seem to be
[00:53:44] very dramatic marriages so you can google too much to get into here yeah a lot um but yeah
[00:53:51] post good fellows like we say she does medicine and radio flyer um maternity did not want
[00:53:58] to cast her Connery wanted her interesting uh and brought her in the shoot again there's nothing
[00:54:07] on who else ever would have been in talks or on their list because I at some point I want to get
[00:54:13] into a conversation of maybe there's no version of this movie that is great but who does this work
[00:54:20] better within that role yeah uh it doesn't I'm not seeing any the whole the whole problem is
[00:54:28] no one talked about this movie except for like one premier magazine article right after it came
[00:54:34] out it bombed and everyone just watched their hands of it ever existing Lorraine Brockos it looks
[00:54:38] like she shaddle it probably got a chapter in her her great autobiography on the couch
[00:54:42] uh where she shits all over it but that might be it like it's like Connery's going back and being
[00:54:47] like you know medicine man was you know it was just two degrees away from being good you know like
[00:54:52] you know he's made a lot of bombs it's also fascinating though because I I'm sure who it was it was
[00:54:56] one of the it might have been um yeah brain couple men or when one of the screenwriters who's
[00:55:04] active on Twitter and does sort of like half advice half old so-biz stories yeah yeah um
[00:55:10] but talked about working with Connery on a script for a matter of weeks in a hotel suite that he
[00:55:18] rented in Brooklyn there was some script that then he was interested in but he needed to work on it
[00:55:23] with them this was sort of a Twitter thread when Connery died memorializing him and-
[00:55:30] Conner neither obviously complicated person yes you can google but I think it I think it was
[00:55:34] a compliment but he was saying like there are things in like two weeks of going in every day and
[00:55:39] working on the script with him for eight hours a day that like taught me more about story than anything
[00:55:44] else in my career like the man had an unbelievable sense I've had a structure things how audiences
[00:55:49] process characters like he really thought big picture about everything wow after two weeks he dropped
[00:55:54] off the movie I felt crushed like I'd failed and I heard this from a lot of people of like he does
[00:55:59] this he really tests things out it's hard to get into commit you shouldn't take this as like a
[00:56:05] failure but the whole point was like this guy gets it and he like fucking won't go forward until
[00:56:12] it totally he obviously has other flops and misses in his career like League of Extraordinary
[00:56:17] Generalmanism openly admitting I didn't understand the script but I was angry at myself for passing
[00:56:22] on Lord of the Rings in the Matrix so I thought I should do one of these movies I don't understand
[00:56:27] but it's like how does he then look go like turn good fellas like that's his story on why he brings
[00:56:35] her in here on script level two it's like how does this guy not see that all of these pieces aren't
[00:56:40] working and I guess he did and just well wagging the dog here's the thing Jamie have you ever shot a
[00:56:46] film in the jungle I have not your with or without Shankar so McTurne and already made predator
[00:56:55] and we already did our predator episode and what's in the research of that it was a fucking nightmare
[00:56:59] the jungler sucks you're getting dysentery you're getting bitten by bugs you know the weather is
[00:57:05] unpredictable yeah like they forgot that the leaves are gonna fall off the trees so they had to
[00:57:10] bring leaves they go back to the jungle for this movie I would never do this and guess what it's
[00:57:14] sucked and they had bad time yeah you never hear about anyone having a good time in the jungle ever
[00:57:19] I'm realizing now in the commentary for predator when he keeps on saying like I mean I learned things
[00:57:23] on this movie so the next time I went and filmed in the jungle and that he's right right
[00:57:28] they so he sends them to what he called tree school to learn how to like you know
[00:57:35] zip line and bounce around the trees yeah do they're going into this being like this is our hook
[00:57:41] like this is the thing that people are gonna talk about you've never seen zip line photography
[00:57:46] like this it did feel like a predated like the popularity of that being an activity yeah
[00:57:52] and that end to like 80s trend of like movies having the hook of there's an activity or a sub culture
[00:57:58] that we're depicting with movie stars yep you know like the range from like lambada to like cocktail
[00:58:05] of like here's a thing that some people are really good at yeah yeah and we're gonna alternate between
[00:58:10] movie stars and stuntman doing it well in a way that now feels glamorous yeah that's so yeah
[00:58:15] because it's like that there's zip lining but then there's also there's a lot of like harness talk
[00:58:20] yeah there's a lot of ropes there's a lot of like here catch this yeah no trust me catch it okay like
[00:58:28] they're yeah that that that feels like the very that's a very big sort of like uh what's the
[00:58:33] sort of looking for like it's almost like another character in the movie is this one's
[00:58:38] our other core and the ziplines could be third building they are they are yeah yeah the winch is
[00:58:45] doing a lot of work the winch is kind of holding this whole movie in a practical way yes
[00:58:52] but even that just like the fact that they were like okay movies got a green light time to go
[00:58:57] to tree school like our priorities are getting this right it's like yeah it's not it's not like
[00:59:01] guys like Sean Conner needs to go workout because he's wearing like front-be like cargoes and things
[00:59:07] let's do two weeks of rehearsals to make sure this chemistry is right there's no they yeah I mean
[00:59:13] I don't think I want to move it I don't think they spoke until the first take started rolling look
[00:59:20] okay chemists too by the way yeah they try the fuck do I know they should be actually say it's a great
[00:59:27] point it's a great he raises a great point that would have been a great thing of like the chemistry you
[00:59:32] know they understand how to do chemistry in lab but they'll will they have it together whatever
[00:59:37] some time ago you're saying that should have been marketing yeah it should have been a little marketing
[00:59:40] but also the critics could have used that against this totally yeah somebody should have made
[00:59:45] that point the only thing this movie can cook up in a lab is there we go right that's that's
[00:59:50] what I meant so braco brought her acting coach on set within a week or two okay good sign
[00:59:56] that's definitely not what it says within a week or two yeah I don't think she was there for those
[01:00:00] first you see and some telling you yeah uh she would have said something Connery tells premier magazine
[01:00:06] basically I was in he says I was in the middle of a triangle I think he's basically like saying like
[01:00:11] mctearna needed to do something and he wasn't doing it right like he says he's got all his toys
[01:00:17] you know he's got his little videos so he she's really just getting on screen which is helpful to him
[01:00:21] but no help at all to the actor you know he's basically I don't think Connery is saying I need
[01:00:26] to help he's saying no someone else did this is what's crazy John McToonon went to julie art oh yeah
[01:00:34] yeah he's like oh this is a classic example of a guy who's just like a technical filmmaker and
[01:00:39] doesn't talk to actors his starting point is drama at julie art wow okay that is a commercial
[01:00:45] director that is a new wrinkle that's really so what you're saying well how can you this guy
[01:00:50] doesn't have a language for actors right up until this point he cast well and he let people do the
[01:00:54] real right in so many directors are not like an actor's director right but you're like this guy
[01:00:59] like this guy should be the reason of the hardcore drilling to the language of drama wow yes wow
[01:01:07] and specifically like julie art for directing yeah I know wow I don't know what to tell you
[01:01:12] and then Connery is like yeah he was just busy looking at screens well because at this point
[01:01:16] he's such a he's made these three action movies he's probably like more I don't know well he only
[01:01:22] had forty million dollars he didn't have a lot of support his little tiny your film apparently
[01:01:27] Sean insisted that um brocco get flown to LA to attend the Oscars okay because that was the
[01:01:34] she was nominated oh so they're filming this 91 so this is really her immediate 90 good fellas
[01:01:41] follow or right no early 91 right exactly um brocco thanks him in her autobiography she says I've
[01:01:46] always said that Sean Connery gave me a chance to be Cinderella for an evening and I'll never forget it
[01:01:51] okay so that was apparently Connery doing that but also the other thing I'm reading here
[01:01:56] is that she got to the Oscars because quote part of Sean's agreement with the producers of medicine
[01:02:01] was a certain number of hours on a private jet sure good for him I mean that makes sense like
[01:02:06] you're gonna gas up my jet ten times if I can do your stupid jungle movie or whatever uh this
[01:02:11] premiere magazine feature that I've been quoting from I'm realizing Lorraine declined to participate
[01:02:16] okay so another point underlining tension um and uh you know she says later uh that it was
[01:02:25] a hard horrific creative experience for her and she did the best she could under the circumstances
[01:02:31] um yeah so you know whatever it sounded bad uh they want to shoot in in Mexico it's the exact same
[01:02:37] city they end up going to for the second half a predator yeah they um they they don't really use
[01:02:43] the actual amazon because that is like a true I think hell to shoot in so they go to southern
[01:02:49] Mexico um and uh they got a lot of tree talk who fucking cares all right this is a classic
[01:02:58] horse through the trees truly mictirons only paying attention to what the trees are like uh Connery
[01:03:05] says uh the food was appalling everybody got sick I wasn't sick only because I drank so much vodka
[01:03:12] okay that was part of his character too is that he's like kind of a lush yeah yeah that's true
[01:03:18] and if they baked that if that was a on set kind of rewrite I might have been uh kind of an
[01:03:24] automatic rewrite for any part he was playing yeah maybe that's true yeah um apparently Connery
[01:03:29] shut down the set at one point uh would speed through scenes quickly so we could leave early
[01:03:35] uh I don't wear anywhere else I mean Connery different parts of the show where are you going
[01:03:44] but when he retired because he retired basically in the early 2000s and he died like two years ago
[01:03:50] right so he lived in the Bahamas for like the last 20 years of his life yeah like he definitely
[01:03:55] became one of those guys who's just like give me a compound I'll just sit here in a straw hat and
[01:03:59] reminisce on how I use something cool like cool to hit women yeah exactly right um that is
[01:04:05] probably what he would yes yeah uh this film was planned for Oscar season 1991 and then it got
[01:04:10] delayed interesting okay uh and it was uh if I haven't pointed this honor ready distributed by
[01:04:17] Disney Walt Disney pictures Disney I mean under Hollywood right one of their
[01:04:22] adult touch dome were there to uh grown up brands but this is a Disney movie that would explain why
[01:04:28] there was even more sort of stick in less you know see me chemistry yeah yeah yeah yeah is this movie
[01:04:35] better if it's a fuck fast I'm asking that well I I would prefer yes but not with the two of them
[01:04:42] not really with the two of them not with the two of them but like say is this movie better if like
[01:04:46] end-of-act one they start fucking act to they they have lots of sex and then break up in some you
[01:04:54] know big drama we talk three they heal and maybe by the end they're gonna figure it out probably
[01:04:59] but if we're having this conversation can we talk alternate casting ideas yes please
[01:05:04] by all means yes okay oh a ham sandwich and a bag of potatoeship sounds good bring them in they're
[01:05:09] gonna be better I mean Connery's the ladies bag
[01:05:18] just like I just that's the thing Connery can kind of have chemistry with anyone
[01:05:23] in what do you think is Sean Connery Jamie I have okay I've never well when people are always
[01:05:31] like he's like a sex symbol I never really understood that and I'm not saying that because I don't
[01:05:36] I can't recognize that he is like a striking presence an attractive man I there's no piece of me
[01:05:44] that understands like no that's all right there's a piece of me that understands the appeal
[01:05:50] sure there's no piece of me where that really resonates with me you don't feel it I don't feel it
[01:05:54] at all and I've never felt it and I've never seen I've never seen the evidence have you seen like
[01:06:01] young bond yeah and even then okay yeah I just like and maybe I maybe I need to rewatch that
[01:06:08] I I just never it never worked on me I mean he's something he's hot he's definitely he's super
[01:06:15] hot in the bonds but in this you know he's got this like scary at you talk about it that he's
[01:06:20] whenever we bring this up that like he's scary in those movies in a way the other bonds aren't
[01:06:25] right and like you know when he does a non-bon what does he do he does like Marney or something
[01:06:29] where he's basically an outright villain right or like when that like more
[01:06:33] sexual dark edge yeah he plays like haunted guy when he's young yeah yeah and then in the 70s
[01:06:39] he starts like becoming more of this kind of like guy in a cravat who sounds like he just like
[01:06:45] you know went through four cigars because he probably did yes like and he's masculine and hairy
[01:06:52] and like it's like Zardos and fucking Robin and Mary and and Orient Express and stuff like that
[01:06:58] right you know like where he's he's like a you know big fella you're making me realize like even if
[01:07:04] okay so like even if it was still we're still in the sort of Disney world we're like that you know
[01:07:09] it's as as it was in the movie they never nothing ever happens they don't nothing physical happens
[01:07:14] between them I still I still am looking for a woman who's going to call him on his
[01:07:23] stick right and I felt like it again fighting fire with fire it was just kind of like anger towards
[01:07:30] his sort of like what's the word I'm looking for like he's kind of closed off you know you
[01:07:37] don't really get to know him that well like I want someone who makes him a little more vulnerable
[01:07:43] and I think the fact that that never really happens is the reason it feels like they don't have
[01:07:49] chemistry whether they fall through with it or not he never really feels like he's brought low
[01:07:53] except by he's not brought low he lost the fucking cancer cure yeah he didn't bring him that low
[01:07:59] he's just kind of annoyed about yeah well the lowest point happens long before
[01:08:04] that's the thing he already went through at all and when she shows up he's just a grump
[01:08:08] right he's just mr grump he's grumpy and when he talks he's grumpy right and yeah it's fighting
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[01:11:22] because i'm watching it and i'm like okay this movies pushing the Bronx thing really hard
[01:11:26] I don't know if that was a rewrite when they cast brako or if that was always part of the
[01:11:31] stage. Wait can I interrupt for two seconds please. Okay I just want to know did you guys have
[01:11:34] the same instinct of the second it started your thinking this is miscast yes okay yeah uh
[01:11:39] no the second she's talking it's it's the first it was the first thought was like whoa this what
[01:11:44] this is a mistake okay okay. Okay, there's something something bad this happened right right
[01:11:47] right immediate it haunts you as you watch it it does there's also there's a later scene where he's
[01:11:53] trying to like run away and take a shower under the waterfall and like fucking just grump around
[01:12:00] and she comes up behind him and like calls him into action splash splash splash splash
[01:12:08] I'm taking a bath dammit but he's the fucking ants he's there under the waterfall and she comes
[01:12:15] up behind him and she has to like yell really loud so she can he can he can he can remember.
[01:12:19] Yes i remember this and the thing i clocked was like oh this is the volume she's been talking
[01:12:24] at the entire film like you're talking about her seeming miscast immediately it's not just
[01:12:29] the brashness of the energy of the performance or the accent or any of that she also interests
[01:12:34] the movie and she's like hi i'm here. The fuck are you doing? I'm holding my head in my hands because
[01:12:41] like you don't want to be like i hate how that lady yelled for the whole movie right but literally
[01:12:47] i hated how she's just fucking yelling the whole goddamn yelling so much yelling is like an energy
[01:12:52] thing i'm saying she's like he's yelling like how she's a woman in the back row of the Q&A
[01:12:58] saying like i don't need the mic so my question is like that is the tone of her speech call
[01:13:07] phone. First time caller, long time listener. By the way i don't have a phone i'm yelling at you from
[01:13:14] my house to the radio station where? Okay just to i'm presenting your alternative casting in a
[01:13:21] second but just i understand most of the other listeners are not going to watch this movie
[01:13:25] because why would they? Yeah, just the premise of the film is he's in the jungle and she's been sent
[01:13:30] there to like check on his research that's that's it. Yes that's right. Like that's that's the only
[01:13:36] she's not there being like i need this from you or i'm here to help you. It's all she's here to be
[01:13:42] like what's going on? Right yeah it's like the vagus assignment. It's not even what i assume the
[01:13:47] setup of this movie would be which is like the apocalypse now style we sent this guy and we went
[01:13:52] all the way to find him. You have to find just how they set it up. Yes you think it's going to be like
[01:13:58] whoa right what happened and then it's like there he is yeah yeah he's like what are you doing here?
[01:14:03] i found you. Is she his boss? What is more the company that funds him but no she is not his boss
[01:14:12] she's not not his boss in terms of who's putting up the money. She can find him. She can't like
[01:14:19] fuck him over but she could I guess report back. Okay he's blowing it. Right and it would like
[01:14:24] cause him trouble sent out on behalf of his boss and she doesn't seemingly it doesn't matter because
[01:14:31] he's like i cured can't say and i can't find it and she's like oh jeez well let's find it you know
[01:14:36] like that's we're restate for anyone. Didn't watch the film this movie is about him finding the cure
[01:14:42] for cancer in losing it and in ants in ants. I mean spoiler alert it was ants all along. It was
[01:14:48] the ants all along. Okay so who do you want to play Lorraine Brock? First i'm like i'm trying to
[01:14:54] think literally about like the the brassy city girl aspect. Sorry i have one more interruption
[01:14:59] I will actually there may be more but i'm going to try to limit them. I just want to say when
[01:15:04] you were talking about the waterfall scene, I think the reason that was also so jarring is because
[01:15:09] we've seen the imagery of the the male lead in the waterfall or she's in the waterfall and then
[01:15:16] the other person comes into the waterfall. Yeah. Like here we go. Yeah but instead it's him sort of
[01:15:24] drowning himself in the waterfall to like escape his inner darkness. She's real. Not unlike i mean
[01:15:33] I haven't seen predator very much, not unlike what i would imagine predator or alien talking.
[01:15:38] It comes up behind him and he's like like get the fuck out of that waterfall. Yeah and i was just
[01:15:45] like wait this trope fell apart. Yes and that's the moment where i'm like is this movie to its
[01:15:51] credit not an attempting romance? It cuts. No it's like the moment it's like
[01:15:57] yes and you're like wait what? You are right that it ends up playing more like a jump scare.
[01:16:03] Is it jump scare? Oh my god okay keep going. Oh i mean to say. So i'm thinking about the city
[01:16:09] girl thing because it's said so much in the script that i'm like is that part of the contrast they want
[01:16:15] here right? Yeah. It does feel like who this movie and i know she's in a bit of a weird wilderness
[01:16:23] period in her career at this point but like the different Scorsese discovery Oscar nominee from
[01:16:29] 10 years earlier who is i believe the same age as Lorraine Bronco. It feels like as written this
[01:16:34] is more Kathy more your already than it is Lorraine Bronco. Kathy more your okay now what's she up to
[01:16:40] lately? Well she had a big she's she's the wife in raging bull. It's the same kind of like
[01:16:46] she really is just doesn't do a lot of movies. No this is what i'm saying she comes back in the 90s
[01:16:51] because she does raging bull and then she does neighbors and then i'm mistaken thing she got
[01:16:56] in a car accident. That sounds possible she took a huge she took a huge break break but you're
[01:17:04] right that by the 90s she's in kindergarten cop she's in soap dish. Love turn soap. She's in
[01:17:10] mongo kings in 92. I'm not saying she's perfect but it almost feels like that's more of what they
[01:17:16] want and Bronco feels like rosy perreste. Okay David thank you because that was like a real rosy
[01:17:22] peresmoat like that's your list is maybe the year after this and like if you want to have bring it up
[01:17:27] back here we're modified the script one iota right if you just want a hand as written to another actress
[01:17:33] right rosy peres yelling at him in this same way is funny and charming agreed and maybe it's just
[01:17:39] like the size the fact that they seem like they're from different planets which is like a
[01:17:44] comic energy yes i think you need more i think it's if you're gonna have this you need them to
[01:17:50] be more different because they're kind of the same yes which i think is the ultimate problem they're
[01:17:56] too similar they're both just grumpy right and like they don't really love life they have no zest
[01:18:02] for life no jua to be there just kind of like grumping around in the wilderness and like rosy
[01:18:07] peres complaining about shit and yelling at people in movies is one of the greatest things we have
[01:18:12] it's always entertaining maybe a marissa to me to make it fucking do me so but we're sticking we're
[01:18:19] obviously sticking very like new york here so now i'm gonna shift laterally right yeah the most
[01:18:24] obvious movie star version of this and i know this is the same year she really pops so it's like
[01:18:30] if she does this she maybe doesn't get the better role she should have gotten but churnstone
[01:18:36] feels like the obvious kind of Hollywood she's got the a list i can go toe-to-toe
[01:18:42] with anybody that's right that's right which is totally and while still being you know 20 plus
[01:18:48] years younger than Sean Connery does not feel like a child next to him right right right like
[01:18:54] rosy peres my car yeah rosy peres is like 10 years younger than Lorraine brakko
[01:18:59] yeah she's younger kathy moriardy is also younger um surprisingly right because she's really
[01:19:04] young and raging bull um but um churnstone uh what about like um a thirmin's too young i mean this
[01:19:13] is okay so what about Connery though are we keeping Connery he makes sense as guy in the jungle you
[01:19:17] know like Connery doing like he makes sense is exactly i didn't even think for a second we're
[01:19:22] replacing Connery well obviously he's also at this point like the whole thing with him is he's bond
[01:19:27] and then his 70s is defined by like you don't want to play James Bond because you're gonna end up
[01:19:32] like Sean Connery you're gonna be like tough to cast everyone's gonna associate with bond
[01:19:37] you're gonna make bombs but then the 80s especially later 80s it's like highlander named with a rose
[01:19:42] untouchables wins an oscar indiana jones the last crusade on fared october robin hood like you know
[01:19:48] it's like it's why is he like owns elder statesman and it makes him kick back up higher on the
[01:19:58] leading man list yeah like there's there's also this thing with him that's fascinating of like he was
[01:20:04] losing his hair when he got cast as James Bond he wore a two pay from the beginning
[01:20:09] no i didn't know that and then basically was just sort of like uh i'll do whatever the movie
[01:20:13] requires like i'm not pretending i'm not bald in real life that wasn't his real hair in this movie
[01:20:19] that's what's also insane what it's like in indiana jones he's just like show in his skull right
[01:20:25] like same an untouchables when he's doing press and premieres he's not like wearing a two pay
[01:20:30] to maintain appearances so there were meetings where they were like okay shan's coming in with like
[01:20:35] the like gray horseshoe and beard how do we fit this and they're like build a ponytail
[01:20:41] build a ponytail to a fix we have we have to construct this pony yeah what if it's a puppet workshop
[01:20:48] yes jones and creature workshop what if it's Harrison Ford that's what i was that was my only other
[01:20:54] thought he's good at playing a grumpy be so good he's so good mosquito coast what wait i just
[01:21:01] invoked a third Peter weir move it you did but like you know like he's played lost in the jungle
[01:21:06] oh you're like you're like maybe wonderful if this is if this is Harrison Ford and Marissa
[01:21:10] Tomah does this movie rule it sounds better there's no way that this movie if we're using this script
[01:21:16] can rule i script is incredibly inert yes the story just is mostly just nothing happening
[01:21:23] there's not much of an ending but there are ideas i like it there that's the thing there's ideas
[01:21:27] to this setup that maybe you can play around with but like if i'm giving this script to three other
[01:21:33] people i don't think they're gonna make a good movie six day seven nights is it is a less dramatic
[01:21:38] version of this movie Harrison Ford tries to do a couple years later with a comedy director i mean
[01:21:43] six day seven nights though is more action packed it's it's more comical like you're saying yeah
[01:21:49] that movie but Ford doesn't make sense in that movie no he does it's too fun he'd make more sense
[01:21:53] in this right right because he doesn't have to be that he doesn't really have to be that funny
[01:21:57] no but like what i mean him and Tomah in this i think about that i'm immediately laughing in my
[01:22:03] mind just imagining the two of them talking each other and i do want to watch them kiss what about
[01:22:07] for sure Kurt Russell and Goldie Hahn well just get them together they're an actual couple yeah
[01:22:15] but yes yes yes but at this point i'm like here's the pitch bring in Nora or Nancy and have
[01:22:21] them start over from page one that's right sure you readapt this premise into straight up
[01:22:27] screwball comedy right what about
[01:22:32] yeah the cancer the cancer curing really does get in the way the cancer curing is a huge problem
[01:22:37] because you're like it's a problem you care cancer right i'm calling the united states military
[01:22:42] right there is a government element that is not that is not it almost required you know what it
[01:22:48] is it's it's a little bit um almost in the tone of like outbreak or something yes if that's really
[01:22:54] what you're doing yes more of a ruso and who was the guy uh Hoffman thank you it's it's that kind
[01:23:01] of energy no but you're right if if this movie is bring an aphoron star from page one your retro
[01:23:08] fitting this to Goldie and Kurt and she's like first note the medication they find is like a weight
[01:23:14] loss pill yeah it's not the cure for cancer no okay i'm just i'm there like a word for some drug
[01:23:20] company or something yeah let's gender flip it okay Sharon Stone plays the connery role okay
[01:23:26] i'm taking or or give me an a-lister give me another a-lister well it's not true it's not Julia
[01:23:32] no too young yeah Kathleen Turner so we surrender Susan Sarandon wow Jamie out on Sarandon uh and
[01:23:42] someone like who's like a like Wesley Snipes yeah we need like a new star yeah so Wesley Snipes
[01:23:49] who's probably just a few years in at this point it's 91 yet okay he's coming or Denzel or
[01:23:55] someone like that okay well then let me flip it again now i'm just like what if we cast like
[01:23:59] orson wells i'm just gonna be free let me flip it again what if there's no romance what if it's
[01:24:04] Wesley and Woody what if it's uh Carolson and Snipes together again well wait a second
[01:24:12] they haven't this would be before this would be the first one can't jump would have to be a medicine man
[01:24:17] reunion it's a year later really no it's the same it's 92 right okay so that's why Perez kind of
[01:24:22] can't do it because she's still kind of growing oh boy i mean i think we have come up with some
[01:24:29] good ideas here but we are stuck with um Sean Conor and Lorraine Bronco the part of that
[01:24:37] now that we've spitballed all these other ideas it's i can't believe we're coming back to it's
[01:24:42] and now we've honored and brought a show that's what happened that's what happened i mean i can't
[01:24:49] even believe that that's that that's like canon that's crazy look much like nomads his other film so
[01:24:55] far that we've watched that has no reputation really jody foster okay i'm sorry i'm looking through
[01:25:01] best actress nominees i mean jody foster as connery role or as the could kind of do she really
[01:25:09] could go both ways i mean michelle fiverr oh that's a great one yeah i mean you're naming the big star
[01:25:17] i mean yeah yeah so gourney they're also all believable as a doctor yeah or whatever she has a
[01:25:25] research a neurochemist is a a biochemist yeah and she is a doctor and a researcher so the idea
[01:25:35] is he's in the jungle she's showing lur sorry that's the other one i was trying to remember
[01:25:38] that midler of course yes good point yeah we're really losing steam on your suggestions my god
[01:25:44] bet midler in the jungle i would i would pay all the person louder
[01:25:49] that's right oh my god oh my god he's falling onto that tree branch the bit
[01:25:56] bet midler with like blood oh my god incredible by the way guys that is an actual scene she falls
[01:26:02] onto a tree branch anyways he is some sort of you know researcher he's in the jungle and the
[01:26:08] Amazon rainforest she's checking in to see how his works going she's ostensibly like bringing supplies
[01:26:14] she is not whoever he thought he thought she was going to be like his as someone he knows the
[01:26:20] usual guy whatever right yeah uh his robber Campbell that's Sean Connery's character has already
[01:26:25] been abandoned by his research partner and his wife like we are meeting him as we said
[01:26:32] at a fairly low eb it's like the lowest of the low and he also found a caretaker cancer
[01:26:36] and then forgot it or hasn't found you know hasn't figured out how he doesn't he doesn't want to
[01:26:40] ever go back to society he wants to stay here you find out that he basically got into a dick
[01:26:49] measuring contest with this tribe's medicine man who then said fuck it i'm out so now he feels an
[01:26:56] obligation to stay and treat and by dick medicine dick dick medicine dick measuring contest you mean
[01:27:05] he like sort of showed him up by using alka celts or in front of him that what rich can I just say
[01:27:11] something yeah that all of that the fact that all of that took place off camera it's all in the
[01:27:16] exp it was all exposition right yeah it's all just said when he was just saying that i was like
[01:27:22] wait why can we see that you don't yes we need to see it or a flashback or something if the whole
[01:27:28] thing hinges on the word met medicine man and we're just hearing about yes you replace this guy
[01:27:36] we haven't met yet let's like what this is so convoluted i thought i don't know i've got that
[01:27:41] i watched this movie this morning and i'm already forgetting the order in which the information
[01:27:45] is dispensed because you keep on thinking okay so that's what's going on with connery's character
[01:27:50] and then they add another layer right i think the first thing is i accidentally chased their medicine
[01:27:56] man out of town so now i have a obligation to stay and help these people right there's already
[01:28:01] pen incidents of like foreign pathogens getting people sick he's very honest anxious about that she
[01:28:07] shows up and he's like where's your mom i mean your surgical mask right i need to see your vaccine
[01:28:12] car yeah there's a lot of weird pandemic stuff by the way you're him being like i need to see your
[01:28:17] vaccine card and she's like oh god you're like you're fucking doctor too it's true she should get it
[01:28:25] yes rather than being like what out it's like what do you even do it here like
[01:28:30] toys me i need a hot meal i have to show my fucking vaccine car where's the close to spa
[01:28:38] look you're doing comically excited for you you went on this job like you have a job to fill
[01:28:46] it was so insane we are exaggerating the voice but it's not a far away as not a far away as one
[01:28:53] would think so that's the first reveal then the second reveal is oh he's found the cure for cancer
[01:28:59] yes i believe and she's like why are you not sharing this with the world and it's a two-part thing
[01:29:04] one of it is what one part of it is this is based on the element that they have in their tribe
[01:29:11] if i let everyone else know that i found this thing and synthesize it they'll come in run
[01:29:16] trucks through the town right and fuck them up right it's like a trolley car problem if i'd rather
[01:29:22] protect them then save the rest of society uh and as an example you loren brok are too young to remember
[01:29:28] this but the same company that we work for previously did this to a different tribe with a different
[01:29:34] element that they thought they could synthesize into some other treatment right and all of them got
[01:29:38] swine flu right and they all were wiped out i will not allow this to happen again and then the
[01:29:43] third reveal of his backstory is that he was the one responsible for that incident right too many
[01:29:53] that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's
[01:29:55] guilt laden of i let this happen one time i cannot let it happen again i have to choose the native
[01:30:02] people over the corporation this time and and then in between reveals two and three comes the reveal
[01:30:10] i also can't replicate the cancer treatment because i don't know what i'd like
[01:30:14] cracked magic formula but there's some x factor thing that every time i tried to repeat it doesn't work
[01:30:19] also there's like a logging and i only have this much cancer treatment left right only a little bit
[01:30:23] also there's like a logging company that's like headed this way they're already paving a road
[01:30:28] that's gonna attack this town too too many things he's been getting wasted on lukeye's like fruit
[01:30:35] ligeria you got spitting booze that gets him blasted but when we when we're saying all this
[01:30:41] we're making the film sound somewhat dynamic and dense and interesting when in fact it's just like
[01:30:47] staring at leaves while you hear a lady from the Bronx scream in the distance like it's so
[01:30:52] important like quietly getting drunk and saying please let me die off and learn broko yelling at him
[01:30:59] um it's not die more yes it's not sexy no uh it's
[01:31:05] not like to be sexy yes but it's not but not at all there's also a version of this movie that is just
[01:31:12] unfortunately the bad news is i synthesize the cure for cancer one time but it's with this
[01:31:17] ingredient that's in the toughest part of the jungle we're gonna have to journey for five days
[01:31:22] right and then it's kind of like remancing the stone exactly the trials and tribulation yep
[01:31:26] which is movie does a section of this but it's more just like this isn't annoying journey versus
[01:31:31] like oh no mudslide oh no we're fighting hip-hop otomus right but there was some of that there's a little
[01:31:37] there's a little bit high jinks and you're like wait but there's a version of this movie that is just
[01:31:41] we know what we need to get to do yes i would love that get there and it's just about can we make
[01:31:46] it there and back a lot just a clean we got it we're at point a we gotta get to be this movie
[01:31:50] that wants to be a morality drama and i don't think it is even attempting to say anything really
[01:31:56] profound like this doesn't feel like it issues movie but it is like we're trying to create a
[01:32:02] an internal moral conflict for this man that is so compelling a man who is so tortured and broken
[01:32:10] that you cannot help but get engaged in what's going on with him and perhaps only the love of
[01:32:14] a good woman a smart scientist right could save this man and save humanity it's almost like
[01:32:21] it's almost like take it's almost like take like the the brooding tortured nature of like
[01:32:28] kacy aflick and manchester by the sea and then marry it with the fun of uh what is that movie
[01:32:36] with Sandra Bullock and it's velocity the loss yep yeah yes yes right it's a loss it meets manchester
[01:32:43] but it's neither as dramatic as the former right as sort of fun and zippy as the
[01:32:49] exactly yeah and not really is I can't there's the others no it's not profound either but they
[01:32:55] wanted it to be yes but they wanted it to be yeah i think i wanted to be deep they wanted it to have
[01:33:01] some messaging and yeah but it also doesn't feel like like this is a movie that has something specific
[01:33:06] to say about the state of the world that's right it's like dealing an abstract ideas yeah
[01:33:12] right because it's like the movie is all hinged on what if you just magically discovered the cure for
[01:33:17] cancer so it's not like what is the ethical responsibility of our biochemists in this world today no
[01:33:24] because also it's like either the road's gonna get him or you curing cancer is gonna get him like
[01:33:31] which no one says out loud in this movie but it's like yeah these guys are probably screwed
[01:33:35] the road is actually like a dumb element for the script to include I really wish it wasn't in there
[01:33:40] we need a ticking clock but it's true it doesn't make any sense because then you're just like well
[01:33:44] they're screwed anyway right absolutely because the movie is about them trying to stop the road no
[01:33:49] like that's a different movie that's an environmental movie about like yeah we can't rub build roads
[01:33:54] in the Amazon and that's also a movie where he like trains the tribe to attack yep like yeah like
[01:34:00] and like maybe like home tree gets attacked yes and then they have to john their banshees and
[01:34:07] I'm doing avatars someone would have to plug into the mighty a cron find a way to tame taruk and
[01:34:11] become the first taruk mic toe that tribe had had in decades you're doing a better job than me
[01:34:19] got my avatar steel books though oh and I know the Cameron 4k I'm genuinely worried if we get
[01:34:26] into this Jamie roll cap of the story anyway anyway I was like wait what you don't need to
[01:34:31] okay we're really big into physical media that makes it sound worse that makes us sound like
[01:34:37] I'm trying to make a sound like historians they reread means blue raid discs see these
[01:34:44] fucking discs okay let's do because the specific type of packaging listen to me gets back into the
[01:34:49] physical tangible and it comes up a lot they've they've re-released the way of water in an
[01:34:55] upgraded edition six months after it was released for the first time okay just for fucking
[01:35:00] simps like us wow so there's a boy who's sick right this is sort of a healthy action at the middle
[01:35:07] of the movie right so they they're like let's go find the medicine because he's basically got like
[01:35:12] one tube of cancer juice left and they're gonna use it to cure there's a tumor in his throat
[01:35:19] they think yeah he has some like melix and right right by the way they call it lumsyn is
[01:35:24] there I'm not just yes no they keep on being very kind of flipping about it but she's like
[01:35:28] you either save the rest of the world right like what's the greatest play the problem right
[01:35:34] yeah or you get the the lumps one boy story that was crazy because yeah he's like I have to yeah
[01:35:40] I have to care this boy and then and then she's like no you can't and then she makes she says
[01:35:46] I can't believe it was like a line she had to say she's like he's not gonna die in 48 hours
[01:35:52] you remember that yes she's like a guy of cancer in 48 hours he's also seeing it in a nice
[01:35:58] certain more measured way than she says it Jamie but he was like this tone of like he's fine
[01:36:03] she says this isn't a time sensitive issue yeah this isn't time sensitive cancer get a little
[01:36:08] more cancer let go a little more let the lumps take over just a little more let's suffer for
[01:36:13] like another two months what's a lot he can look three lumps four lumps five look they got to go
[01:36:20] find the medicine man right Connery has to like fake lose a fight with him right to sort of like
[01:36:26] oh my god this ingredient that you want is only at the the the tallest trees this is so stupid let's just
[01:36:33] oh god let's just forget it I know as if it's like a donkey con country level where you just have
[01:36:38] like a climb as well guys it's felt the most when you told me it's Disney I can't get that out
[01:36:42] of my head now yeah this felt the most Disney yes him like fighting the the original medicine man
[01:36:48] and then she's like whispering like to the other like other Aboriginal guy like what what are they
[01:36:54] saying right and then the translations translate and then but the translations aren't even funny
[01:36:59] they're like sincere and then she's like yelling like it's like she's watching a boxing man
[01:37:04] absolutely and you're like tell him his mother yeah tell his mother sucks cock and hell or whatever
[01:37:10] she said she did say something that was like really weird about like fucking your cousin yeah
[01:37:15] when she goes round the block I mean she's so fat she goes around the block she's saying fucking
[01:37:21] like street jokes for Connery to yell at the medicine man but and then and then the guy's translating
[01:37:27] is being verse and sear like oh this is what they're saying it was that was my blog anyways
[01:37:32] I know we need to move on I just this sequences medicine man reemerges with the stick yeah
[01:37:37] and Lorraine Broncos like what does this mean now and Connery is like you know when you get called
[01:37:43] in for a conference meeting and they make you shit down neat crow yeah also weird like rosemary's
[01:37:51] baby sort of throwback where like the medicine man like draws on her face and her sleep right
[01:37:58] what she thinks is night and she thinks it's a nightmare and then it's like and then it's like
[01:38:01] oh but it actually happened which is literally from wrong saying they're taking it from that but it
[01:38:05] fell very rosemary's baby it's tribal tattoo yes draw something yeah yeah
[01:38:10] she's going to line across her five and on her forehead yeah right um and it is permanent
[01:38:15] it's permanent uh it would have been the something blue at her wedding so uh after this the
[01:38:23] basically the medicine man is finally like the flowers have no juju they cannot you're wrong the
[01:38:28] flowers right they cannot heal this boy like that is not you miss identified the deal and so
[01:38:35] Conneries like we have to simply inoculate the boy like we you know that we push has come to shop
[01:38:41] but there's some little hint at the bugs yeah being part of it I don't remember exactly how he
[01:38:46] phrases it but there there's some kind of like little touch that you that uh oh yeah
[01:38:51] we know no juju sky flower only house for bugs that's what the uh which doctor uh you know
[01:38:58] the medicine man says he's like sure the bugs live inside the flower and of course right it's
[01:39:03] like really you should be grinding up these ants I guess which we see the ants in that we're gonna
[01:39:07] see or shoot and juice into like can I just flag um this that is the craziest shot to me of
[01:39:16] the whole movie is there's this weird thing where it's like all of the like native people are there
[01:39:21] and they're it's the women and their topless yeah they pan across all of the boobs and then they
[01:39:28] get to Lorraine Broncos and she's in a shirt yes and it just stops there almost like that's the
[01:39:33] punchline is that like oh they don't wear shirts right or kids are right right and it was
[01:39:39] so it was such a crazy shot I was like I can't even believe that incidental sort of national
[01:39:44] geographic I was kind of new to be right TV movie with a lot of like photojournalism nudity right
[01:39:51] and then there's this one shot that like calls attention to it in a screen in the
[01:39:56] Leleon a punchline that doesn't really work exactly it might said it might be clear about what it is
[01:40:01] okay but it's truly it is it is like a slow like dolly track a dolly track shot across nipples close
[01:40:09] up close up close up the framing is right on the tips paratits paratits paratits Lorraine Broncos
[01:40:16] and a shirt yeah can you believe this lady I couldn't I couldn't believe they kept that in right
[01:40:23] and then she almost yells at the camera we have to we have to do Scorsese now just to clear her
[01:40:34] good name I David I was going to say that we almost have a moral obligation it is too rude if
[01:40:40] we cover Pinocchio medicine man and don't do a good fellow's episode like we just have to
[01:40:44] actually shout her out in a movie that's good because yeah we're really I mean what am I supposed
[01:40:50] to do beats are for the good fellow's Oscar um fuck it's not very MacDonald no who wins the
[01:40:58] good fellows Oscar so that but that's the dance is not Mercedes rule is it maybe let's in my
[01:41:05] opinion and overrated performance I got it's Mercedes no it's no it's with people bringing
[01:41:10] ghost which was the fucking juggernaut it's hard to not lose you know yeah no as we've had the
[01:41:15] combo of yeah this movie is huge and she pops in it's so crazy yes and she probably should have
[01:41:21] already won an Oscar color purple right so it's like you know every state of sight everybody yeah
[01:41:27] like what he's getting this one yes she also great performance that year is whoopie a net bending
[01:41:33] for the grifters which is also performance that probably could have won in a different year
[01:41:38] mary mcdonald dances with wolves dianne lad welded heart that's like a crazy good category
[01:41:43] it's a very good category and those are basically five great performances we wilded at heart what is
[01:41:48] that the dade lynch movie necklace cage where dianne lad is playing and um dianne lad who is who is
[01:41:55] lord urns mom is playing lord urns mom okay uh and she's crazy and it's a big crazy performance here's
[01:42:02] the thing i'm like oh right my timeline was wrong my cousin Vinnie is two years after that yeah
[01:42:07] so to me is like an on-genue only at this point yeah right and then Perez and fearless is
[01:42:13] 93 this is the same year as white man can jump so you're like she wouldn't really apparently
[01:42:19] right stone this is the same year as basic instinct but i did no there's the group of people
[01:42:24] we were talking a fight for in segorney and eighties yeah i mean holly hunter oh post-procass news
[01:42:32] i mean could she do a Bronx accent no no they would just say she said George he's yeah exactly
[01:42:39] can't is burgundy oh i mean burgundy getting buckets in the amazon what about share just hey it's
[01:42:47] color i would love that that'll be fun right that'd be so fun yeah i mean that's uh that's a powerhouse
[01:42:53] share could also hold share economy yes exactly i guess kind of right sunny they both want to ask
[01:42:59] some same year or sunny now Ben's raising an interesting point what if not she is 15 years after
[01:43:04] their divorce sunny and share together in the amazon trying to cure cancer isn't he like a
[01:43:11] congressman by this boy yeah he's a congressman but he's like i resigned from congress i have received
[01:43:16] a script so profound this thing so good and i'm told stopperds about to take a half four million
[01:43:23] or he'd been sunk into this i have an obligation to my constituents
[01:43:29] fucking sunny man sunny he's like a republican too and then he died of a ski accident yeah
[01:43:35] but that part sad yeah um it's just funny that you're like oh sunny and share these like bohemian tv
[01:43:41] you know icons then you're like oh you look it up it's like he's always sort of like a rake in
[01:43:45] republican right right right right right right right right right right right
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[01:45:51] look they go back to the fucking village they figure out that it's ants um because she
[01:45:57] whips up a new batch and suddenly the numbers the cancers down to 22 don't you even try to justify
[01:46:03] how they explain it shit what sugar did you and she's like we ran out so i went over to the coffee
[01:46:09] station and he knocks over dramatically the sugar bowl and a bunch of ants come out and his eyes widened
[01:46:15] right so she doesn't even figure this out no rude ingenuity absolutely like she uses her right
[01:46:21] that's right her biochemistry is an accident but it's because she was being unprofessional
[01:46:30] but the implication is almost like they were supposed to go into the jungle from war organic cane
[01:46:35] sugar and instead she just took a spoonful of dominoes with my bra right so they do in the
[01:46:41] beginning set up that she's like very smart she like understands this computer database more
[01:46:48] than he does like she's better at computer why modern woman especially with all the rewrites they
[01:46:53] did why wouldn't you follow through like why don't you have her do anything why are you pulling a
[01:46:58] different thread now where it's like she's kind of like a doofus who just like stumbles upon you know
[01:47:02] what I mean it's like you've set her up that she's good and all she sort of has this energy of like
[01:47:07] fuck i'm getting caught for fucking up the formula when he's like what sugar did you she's like
[01:47:12] oh my god what does she do in this movie like I guess she helps him get over his wife leaving
[01:47:21] it like like what does she do like if i'm just fucking rock me here whatever look at
[01:47:26] I'm like what is this characters you know effect on this story apart from yelling in his god
[01:47:31] am here so what is he doing to try herself nothing i don't know i guess breaks off her engagement yeah
[01:47:39] i guess there's a kind of funny thing where she's like who's your fiance and she's like oh it's
[01:47:43] this guy and he's like he's 80 years old you're gonna inherit brilliant like great idea i know that
[01:47:48] guy and she's like no his son he's like oh well i don't know that guy right like that's the you know
[01:47:53] which is the first time she even invokes the fiance which is over an hour into the movie which he
[01:47:57] brings up because all the tribes people are looking at her weird that's right and she's like why
[01:48:01] and he's like they can't believe you're the oldest virgin they've ever seen that was such a crazy
[01:48:07] talking about well i had to give him some reason they couldn't sleep with you and she's like well
[01:48:12] you could tell them i'm engaged and then they bring up this point from for one fucking scene
[01:48:16] she's never like you know writing a letter to him or anything i know and then he is because i can't
[01:48:20] even imagine that relationship and then he is not no you can't imagine it's funny it's funny
[01:48:27] it's okay it has to be idea of the fiancee of like is she going home to bill polman right she's
[01:48:32] marrying like a medical nepo baby i guess it's the joke right if he knows her dad yes uh i
[01:48:39] forget i was about to say she's not writing letters but obviously i forgot she actually just screams
[01:48:43] to him from the jungle and it echoes off a satellite and hits him and fucking you send her
[01:48:49] wherever that he is that's what they did before text messaging yes she would just scream
[01:48:55] like emanating sonic waves like banshee this really like doesn't even bother to be like
[01:49:02] oh she really did love him but now she's finding a new version of herself he exists
[01:49:07] she's not real again off camera all the important things happen off camera there also not coding it is
[01:49:12] like oh she's in this engagement of convenience but this guy doesn't really excite her it's just
[01:49:16] like she just casually mentioned she has a fiancee and who has not brought up again until the
[01:49:20] final scene where connery derisively is like what are you gonna do go back to him lost that
[01:49:24] fucker and our our understanding of this fiancee they don't they don't even make a choice about how
[01:49:31] we're supposed to feel about him when they introduce him because uh whatever connery makes that
[01:49:36] stupid virgin joke and then and then he like why aren't you married yet or whatever and the
[01:49:41] she long engaged me yeah yeah yeah she's like oh we're not married yeah we were kind of get married
[01:49:45] last year and then and then you're like okay so like you guys are just kind of like not getting
[01:49:51] married quickly i mean like that doesn't mean that you don't love each other like it's such a
[01:49:55] it's not a choice it's not you're not saying the thing like just be clear like no and the
[01:50:01] other time i think he's even mentioned is when she's like falling asleep and connery makes a comment
[01:50:07] about one of her earlobes being longer than the other and then says like i bet your fiance mr
[01:50:13] hoopar never notice that that's the thing you kind of think you only notice when you're in love
[01:50:19] like she's kind of quietly like mutters to himself the realization that he likes her even though
[01:50:25] he has shown no real interest or traction exactly exactly and it's like it's just so murky i'm like
[01:50:32] like in the scene where where where she says the thing or he says the thing about the long engagement
[01:50:37] like why couldn't that be a little like like more spelled out where she's like i don't know
[01:50:43] there's something like even if she said bad pitch like i don't know i ask myself that
[01:50:49] yes like something where you're like oh she has doubts like i didn't even know she had doubts off of
[01:50:54] so i seem like she's like engaged at least give me the one sentence of trying to instill any sense
[01:51:00] of uneasie has about her engagement that's right that's right rather than just like having gotten
[01:51:04] around to it and then also just the easiest fix in the world to have her be the one who consciously
[01:51:11] cracks that it's the bugs yep like just that's right the flip of the exact moment where conneries
[01:51:16] at the computer and she's like wait the data is different where did you pull the sugar from
[01:51:20] oh my god it has to be like let her solve that i never want to note for this movie is when they
[01:51:26] were done with the edit and all that they should have taken it and put it in the garbage but my
[01:51:30] number two note is what if we just began with twin scenes uh-huh her with her you know boring
[01:51:38] napkin husband uh fiancée whatever being like i gotta go to phone call you want me to fly to
[01:51:44] what and like i gotta get on a bowl you know he's like oh you're gonna love it and she's like
[01:51:50] oh my goodness and like they have like a bad kiss and you're like i don't know and he's like
[01:51:54] and when we get back you're gonna retire from your job right right i'm gonna talk to my mom about
[01:51:59] the linens whatever where we're like okay she's kind of fleeing something and then we cut to
[01:52:05] connery you know under a waterfall while his wife's like i'm going i've had it yeah like so we get
[01:52:12] at least why he's you know in such a low place right she's like i'm dating your assistants
[01:52:19] we're moving to fucking Peru i'm out of here like just instead of just her showing up and him being
[01:52:26] like what the fuck's your mask you know and like immediately just in their conflict yeah i don't know
[01:52:31] i'm trying to fix a movie that you know fundamentally just needs to be forgot i agree i mean
[01:52:36] i think it's like the thing where like i don't know i feel like everyone's always trying to be like
[01:52:39] clever with exposition and it's like i mean well not this movie because it's so much exposition
[01:52:45] everything is just being sad there's no like show don't tell um but i also think like there's
[01:52:50] power in just saying what you're trying to convey like there's no need to be coy like just
[01:52:56] spell it out like what are we watching i think this is more a modern epidemic it's like sort of
[01:53:02] surprising that mess and man doesn't have this shit because this feels like the peak of like
[01:53:07] 90s Hollywood script notes biggest emotional arcs hit the obvious like sometimes to be detriment of
[01:53:14] films charts like of course have to do all of this of course like this feels like the kind of
[01:53:18] movie they're making in the player right this feels like the kind of movie you're listening
[01:53:23] to Tim Robbins but you you can't yeah yes i agree it feels like you're overhearing dialogue
[01:53:32] like in an editing bayon people like oh jeez christ this piece of shit but like where they would
[01:53:36] demand like she needs to have it needs to be a a fiance with a running nose in the first act
[01:53:43] who's like right right right blanket or whatever you want that like like sleeveless and Seattle
[01:53:47] yes i know but that that's that's also because the the genre is so unclear what they're trying to make
[01:53:53] and yeah but this is the thing i feel like i can clean up calls this an adventure drama i mean
[01:53:58] yes so like that's probably the closest but like to to earn both of those titles you have to add six more
[01:54:05] right right to say that's right that makes it sound like it's 50% adventure 50% drama and you're
[01:54:10] like it's 10% 10 things it's yeah yeah yeah sure the adventure sequence yeah i wish it was so much
[01:54:16] more adventure like you had said before i feel like i wanted it to be like we have to get to
[01:54:22] the thing right and then it's them you know on an adventure to go get the thing like i wish there was
[01:54:28] i wish that was there i wish that was the setup of a movie big recurring concept of mine to sort
[01:54:33] of like what you're getting at is i think this is kind of a pox in a lot of modern filmmaking yeah
[01:54:39] is you have like development execs who don't really have any like background or love in like
[01:54:46] the idea of storytelling yeah are coming up from like tech or business science and they're like
[01:54:52] approaching things with this sort of like cynical attitude of audiences know all the cliches you
[01:54:58] can't do these things that people are gonna make fun of because they've seen them in a billion movies
[01:55:02] and to your point of like it doesn't even need to be artful i see so many movies now where i'm
[01:55:07] like you're missing the one line to set this up that's right and if you did it gracefully i would
[01:55:12] give you a fucking standing ovation but also because you don't have the one scene where someone says
[01:55:18] well i don't really like my boyfriend the movie doesn't work and you think you're like avoiding
[01:55:24] the quote unquote cringe moment by not doing the version of the scene we've seen a thousand times
[01:55:30] and you're like maybe the reason that existed for decades is because it works because it's fun
[01:55:37] or if at the very least if you're not going to put the line in direct her to be like
[01:55:43] we need you to like show some reservation about your relationship with she did not communicate it
[01:55:49] she was just like no i don't know we might get you know it's just like oh all right like
[01:55:54] i don't think i guess also maybe that's part of that is dated maybe back then
[01:55:58] you know if you had a long engagement it meant something different whereas now plenty of people
[01:56:02] do it for financial reasons or just being busy whatever it is response to it is just like
[01:56:08] oh i hate long engagements i know he's not even like long engagement bad sign like his judgment
[01:56:14] of it has nothing to do with her he just seems like a grumpy old man it's in principle and then she's
[01:56:18] just defensive where she's like i don't know fuck off there's no real conversation they're
[01:56:24] they're like having separate conversations yes and also in that scene he does not seem jealous of
[01:56:29] the idea that she has not at all a significant other he's like good on you getting that bag
[01:56:35] Mary this fucking old guy yeah you're like oh he's like just kind of being supportive grandpa right now
[01:56:40] like i don't understand yeah um let's just wrap up yeah by saying that uh bulldozer does catch fire
[01:56:51] and burn down the village just sort of end the film correct there's also a similar
[01:56:55] laryne brocco goes through his journals in which he has done i would say quite good drawings of
[01:56:59] people dying yeah it's his diary of the swine flu he brought the past epidemic yes and it's just pages
[01:57:07] of him doing very good portraits of people in various states of illness yes and you're like what a
[01:57:15] weird way for him to document this rather than just write the like the name and the date right but
[01:57:21] instead it's literally like he's taking headshots of all of them it's it's like an odd romanticism
[01:57:27] of him drawing mothers crying over dead children's bodies so that when the tractor comes through and
[01:57:33] sets fire to the village she also the next morning in the wreckage finds the burnt scraps of his drawings
[01:57:40] and is like oh it happened again i let it happen again then she finds connery kind of passed out but
[01:57:47] oh alive and well yeah uh he you think he's gonna be dead or something right fine the guy
[01:57:54] dropped it's kind of his fall assistant com yes and is like hey and he's like about time y'all
[01:58:02] here right we heard the great news about the cure for cancer we want to sell it he's like it's
[01:58:06] fucking ants right and connery is like you fucked it all up and they're like what are you talking
[01:58:09] about the medicine man saved them right and she was like the medicine man Sean Connery is like no
[01:58:14] this guy and oh the reveal the medicine man finally came back to save his people he returned to
[01:58:19] the tribe he found them a new apartment to move into basically they're just like don't worry he says
[01:58:24] there's another jungle and it's gonna be yeah right they're just gonna move just over y'all
[01:58:29] right next door in the road will never hit them all of that is good you know it need to feel no
[01:58:34] clonialist guilt everyone is fine gives connery a golf club which is like his stick
[01:58:42] here you go braco negotiates like a better contract for him and she gets to be the co-discoverer
[01:58:50] right of the cure for cancer and then there's this like incredibly forced bogey and becald style
[01:58:56] what do you want i want co authorship on the cure and then she's like what do you want
[01:59:02] you go a bathroom a meal we have to take that shirt off she walks over to him unbuttoned he's got
[01:59:08] a cigarette in his mouth she pulls out close up of her breaking the cigarette in her hand
[01:59:12] she starts leaning really god damn i'm gonna have to watch them kiss now goes in the slow motion
[01:59:16] cuts away right before their lips and even you describing the two of them like potentially
[01:59:22] hear Michael Eisner being like cut the picture coat of black and then the movie i don't want to see this
[01:59:27] only in its last 90 seconds deploys the one thing this film was clearly missing
[01:59:32] voice over from Lorraine broco young so ex-fiance i bet you're wondering what happened to me
[01:59:39] it's been a while two years in the jungle a lot of things have changed they pan up she's got this
[01:59:44] kind of like wardrobe now she looks like she works at a fair trade co-op coffee shopping
[01:59:52] short of course is that fair to say yeah she's got like one braiding her hair oh my god
[01:59:57] sort of oversized aviator glasses yeah and then she's kept the tattoo and then she's got this
[02:00:02] sort of patchwork like half her previous sort of like sense of fashion half now she has become a
[02:00:08] tribal leader and her and Connery are marching them through the jungle she's walking she's standing
[02:00:14] on top of rock with her own walking stick okay and and just offhandedly mentions that they're married
[02:00:21] right and that's the end of the movie in this narration this film got poor reviews Griffin interesting
[02:00:30] people said that it was somewhat miscast and uh and uh own gliboreman said it's not every day you
[02:00:36] get to see her performance as bad as Lorraine brokos and medicine man no Roger ebert said i just think
[02:00:44] this is a reason to be acting in a high school play wow but he also said all the elements are here for
[02:00:49] a movie i would probably enjoy very much but somehow they never come together if this had been some
[02:00:54] dumb adventure movie it probably would have been terrific yes that's the kind of point i feel like
[02:00:59] ebert was so good at making where he's like this movie is a little too good to be fun without actually
[02:01:04] being good um the shittier version of this is actually better it that is exactly right
[02:01:11] it was a flop but it did make 44 million american dollars so that's money that uh you know
[02:01:19] grown up drama would love to make now i would say but basically it's its budget so you know it wasn't
[02:01:25] like a hit no um it opened Griffin on February 7th 1992 okay so Valentine's Day approaching
[02:01:35] to eight point four million dollars number one at the box office america chose the medicine man
[02:01:40] wow i mean it was just powerful it was gonna open a picture no matter what number two
[02:01:46] uh is a thriller okay a big hit of the early hand the rocks cradle
[02:01:54] that's how i feel yeah the hand the rocks have you seen the hand the rocks the cradle the babysitter
[02:02:00] from hell movie starring Rebecca dim mornay i don't know that i ever saw it well it feels like one of
[02:02:05] those ones that i probably saw but i yeah i don't know it's basically a movie that gets like
[02:02:09] unofficially remade every seven years okay okay what name is so famous yes i mean there's so
[02:02:14] many post fatal attraction movies at which this is one right right right now i'm kind of like
[02:02:18] conflated what if a woman entered your life a mysterious hot on juneu right who you hired as a baby
[02:02:24] center or you got as a roommate or you like what's next to her too and it turned out her entire
[02:02:30] purpose in life was to fucking kill you it's true yeah and this one's Rebecca dim mornay wants to
[02:02:40] take out anabella sure ends like some fucking guy i don't even know who the guy is in that movie
[02:02:45] yeah that's a good question um uh to Curtis Hanson movie so we could do it one we could do it yeah
[02:02:50] i feel like it's the best of the top a type of i think single white female is the better of the
[02:02:55] love them because single white female is unhinged yes um number three at the box office
[02:03:03] okay number three at the box is new this week you're never gonna get this
[02:03:07] i feel pretty challenge Jamie obviously uh an erotic thriller from Phil juneu
[02:03:14] oh director Phil juneu probably best known for making you two music videos no but i think this came
[02:03:19] up in the the box office game way before you simply maybe come up um uh
[02:03:27] can you get can you give me um this stars Richard gear it's not right corner primal fear no
[02:03:34] oh great guess no Kim basingers the female lead here yep you've also got uma thermon
[02:03:43] uh huh and you've got a guy who never appears in thrillers this is a real swarver her maric ropers
[02:03:49] also Keith david and Paul gillfoil i don't know this sounds pretty good um yeah it's cool
[02:03:55] about a psychiatrist treating someone for a UCD and then he uncovers so it's like a psychiatrist
[02:04:01] title psychiatry you know sort of is what the title is playing yeah uh on the poster i want to
[02:04:08] they're kissing there's a weird person real good Jamie where i like always struggle with 80s 90s
[02:04:14] richer gear titles outside of like the four big ones i do the yeah they all kind of
[02:04:20] blend together a little bit for me it's like all right primal fear pretty one like there's like
[02:04:25] the one example in each of his modes that i know and a lot of these feel totally lost in time
[02:04:30] this movie is called it's not called no good deed but it's like it's a really born title
[02:04:35] oh no it does it does have a it's a boring title but it's a psychiatric sort of title film is called
[02:04:41] full on apreto final analysis oh boy uh pretty dot i hate that title but what's the tagline you seemed
[02:04:49] excited by the tag oh no i didn't oh no they were just kissing uh what is the tagline okay you're
[02:04:53] as excited they're kissing on the poster they're kissing on the poster okay a psychiatrist here's
[02:04:57] the tagline Jesus a psychiatrist and two beautiful sisters playing the ultimate mind game someone
[02:05:03] was to do someone was set up and before it was over dot dot dot someone was dead um
[02:05:10] and then there's the second tagline you want to hear it yeah please hot blooded passion cold blooded
[02:05:14] murder okay umathermen is the other sister got from number four of the box office it's a
[02:05:23] at what they call back in the nineties a chick flick one of the best uh sort of a paramount example
[02:05:30] of the chick flick it's not a is it is it a generational ensemble movie you bet is it fried green
[02:05:35] tomatoes that's right okay do you like fried green tomatoes the food i did like it yeah i
[02:05:41] remember being kind of sad it's all sad yeah are you supposed to cry at the end it's my god mother's
[02:05:46] favorite movie when i was younger though i didn't like movies that made me cry i was like this is a bad
[02:05:50] feeling why would i pay to did you like hard movies yes always interesting so you know you don't mind
[02:05:56] being scared no i don't mind being scared i don't i don't like i hated it i i really yeah i hate
[02:06:03] anything that like made me really sad i was just like oh like i never want to watch that again
[02:06:09] ever i thought it was like the equivalent of seeing something really gory on screen right you're
[02:06:14] like no shaming gory like head or fly i loved but the parent gets killed off at the beginning
[02:06:20] of a Disney movie thing i was just like this should be illegal right like any any Disney cartoon
[02:06:25] we're like you know someone the car crashes we definitely talked about this but my mom was like
[02:06:29] you want to go see Lion King and i was like the dad dies what are you talking i'm not going to go
[02:06:34] see that sick what you want to take me to a snuff film like i had heard like oh and the
[02:06:40] thoughts of dying is so sad i'm like yeah get ready for me to never watch yeah i don't want to watch
[02:06:45] that number five um just one of those fucking movies it doesn't exist okay i'm sorry i'm swearing
[02:06:52] so much in medicine man they can greet up my blood um god i swore so much am i not supposed to
[02:06:58] never so much he's got a total of five uh world war two drama um yeah big star
[02:07:05] we're total true total bomb world war two big star big bomb based on a book you're never gonna get this
[02:07:12] is it based i'm never gonna get no no you're not you're just not gonna get this one i think i
[02:07:19] can i don't think so like an a-lister yeah he's an a-lister he is i mean this is like one of his
[02:07:25] forgotten movies in between a bunch of hits he's very hot in like the late 80s and early 90s
[02:07:31] he's still alive he's still alive is he still working yeah he's pretty old but he's still
[02:07:38] working i mean he was in a hit uh a hit marvel movie this year he was in a hit marvel movie
[02:07:44] i put it in quotes because it wasn't really a hit but compared to like the marvels it was
[02:07:48] you know a sensation is he in quantum any or yeah so it's a Douglas movie Michael Douglas
[02:07:55] and it's world war two yeah but i don't think that helpful and it's based on a book
[02:07:59] because it's like a romantic drama i think yeah who directed it
[02:08:03] david celtzer yeah i'm never gonna get that uh you admit it yeah it's called shining through
[02:08:09] have not heard of it Michael Douglas melancholy amnesia yeah have never reported that okay well
[02:08:15] i haven't either okay and it didn't do well the Douglas play like an american soldier
[02:08:23] you want to read the synopsis of this fucking thing too because i want to picture Douglas doing it
[02:08:28] i'm here trying to stop the Nazis looks like he plays a humorless attorney okay
[02:08:40] uh who is i guess a spy in germany sounds kind of good yeah i don't know well it's about
[02:08:47] the two of them being spies in germany during war two i'm sure you have this as well but you
[02:08:52] follow this trap you find a movie like this one Wikipedia and you're like holy shit this
[02:08:56] fucking good this must be good you're watching you're like this is why no one has ever
[02:08:59] talked about it right it's a bomb for reasons it's just nice yeah uh you're a synopsis you're like
[02:09:04] it could be good like a synopsis of anything i'm like stars medicine man isn't that though
[02:09:09] medicine man you hear the elements and you like i don't need to see that that doesn't sound
[02:09:12] like it's gonna work but that sounds like a mistake um you other movies at the box office
[02:09:18] honestly a fun time steve martin's father the bride sure slam dunk total fun movie love that movie
[02:09:24] beauty and the beast heard of it pretty big yeah big movie JFK heard of it yeah uh the film
[02:09:31] grand canyon not as big a hit i would say the Larry kastin movie uh also steve martin's fucking
[02:09:39] and uh run in the table hook steve and spoo works hook is that are these all holdovers yeah they've
[02:09:45] all been out for like two to three months okay they're just kind of swimming around yeah while time wow
[02:09:50] uh and number eleven of the box office is 35 up Griffin is the uh the
[02:09:56] fifth four to five for the uh the ongoing documentary series someone picking it up now that i assume
[02:10:02] someone will to know what these are the off movies so it's like a documentary was made in the 60s to
[02:10:07] go like chronicle british children called seven up oh yeah i heard about this from like all walks
[02:10:14] of life in britain and then every seven years they checked yes yes yes yes yes yes i remember this
[02:10:18] they released 63 up in 2019 so i guess that means the director has died but he didn't direct the first
[02:10:25] one so you know someone else could take rights um like you know they was it was a group project sure
[02:10:30] sure so 70 up would be due in 2026 so hopefully someone's fucking working i hope so i'm not
[02:10:37] i bet they are i feel like they got to keep that guy just such a valuable franchise yeah
[02:10:42] i think that kind of ip is just you know crucial if disney acquires the ups look we know marvel and
[02:10:49] star wars have been faltering for us a little bit so we need to make a big ticket what does
[02:10:54] he owns medicine man and i'm told the rainbow aqua's character will be uh replacing Kang of course
[02:10:59] as the new big she's in a big patch for the next phase of the mc you you fucking Avengers
[02:11:07] i want to see her as a see her or hear her as a seagull as the angry seagull i think ten she is good in
[02:11:14] that move yeah it sounds like a good role for her casting yeah yes and that movie is such a nightmare
[02:11:21] that when she shows up it has a little energy wait is that the one didn't like get nominated for
[02:11:25] thing no that's not a tour of that's right that's right that's right about fascism and it's
[02:11:30] interesting loaded with ideas and his nice two look at right and it's the mechus one is like what if
[02:11:35] we did like a cg version of the disney movie that garbage yes like tom hanks is like in a bed a
[02:11:41] sleep with his eyes fully closed we pay him 20 million dollars is he he's chip chip oh he plays
[02:11:47] chip it's like uh pinocchio i see you later so he's a td bank and my routing number is this
[02:11:52] you know it's a live action but it's 90% CGI goop oh that's so uncomfortable Joseph Gordon
[02:11:59] levitt plays jimmy cricket a role i read for oh that seems like that would be a fun role i feel like
[02:12:06] but i think it would be fun to do yeah i will say it's not fun to watch what he did oh wow i can't
[02:12:13] imagine it sucks i mean you want to be just the one who shows up and is like pinocchio stop being
[02:12:22] naughty he's folksy yeah he's got a little hat yeah in the original Italian book the cricket
[02:12:28] goes up and is like stop lying to your father pinocchio kills him right and then he is not in the
[02:12:32] rest of the book yes pinocchio is like shut bug smash i'm out of here i haven't seen like the
[02:12:40] original or like the older disney pinocchio in a long time but i always imagine
[02:12:45] put uh
[02:12:47] jepetto being like the seagull in the little mermaid but he's not you're saying i was thought he was like
[02:12:53] kindly grandfather okay okay i thought he was like the fun kooky side the sea
[02:12:58] little mermaid is essentially just like trying to get aerial late like i love scuttle because
[02:13:03] yeah i found you another hotty on this boat let's go that's kind of the role that broko's filling
[02:13:09] here i had to pinocchio okay i got chimney crickets like his like folksy like conscious and then
[02:13:14] jepetto just looks like an older version of the man on the pizza box who just mostly lies awake
[02:13:20] in bed and goes oh no my boy he went to pinocchio cause he was the most the movie pinocchio's on his
[02:13:26] journey and he's like i was about to fall the word and they so much imagery in movies like thinking
[02:13:31] of like wonka with like there's just a lot of imagery of like like older like parental figures
[02:13:38] just in bed yes there used to be it was culturally when people turned 30 they just go gray lie in bed
[02:13:49] and they go they've done with a terminal case of being old yes that's right that's right
[02:13:55] because that's the thing Charlie bucket is what like seven years old how old he's supposed to
[02:13:59] pass by seven ten like so his grandparents probably aren't even that old they're like
[02:14:03] they're six this is like post-war say honestly might be younger like a sips and
[02:14:09] thing where it's like yeah almost thirty seven or two years might be eighteen oh yeah the parents
[02:14:13] i was thinking of grandpa joe no but that he's got pot shows probably like yeah forty two yes
[02:14:19] yes he's probably like you know doing zooms from his bed for sure obviously in his prime yeah
[02:14:26] he's on field he's trying to like get something start he's like i'm in a four person bed situation
[02:14:33] i already went with three other people every night if anyone wants to join i don't get out of bed for
[02:14:39] anything less than a golden ticket right but if you got one of those i will get a bit
[02:14:46] i i i i am my these legs will work baby you work you gotta solve a chunk on grandpa joe you really do
[02:14:54] i read those books so many times as a kid and they really when you're a kid you're just like
[02:14:59] i get at the grandparents sleeping in a big bed like i have no questions like that's what the
[02:15:02] magic of the dog books is is you totally buy into whatever whatever they set up you're like okay
[02:15:08] and then you can ponder endlessly isn't it all being like the fuck was that like that's crazy
[02:15:13] i think over this ban of five years s and l did two different sketches that were rippling on how
[02:15:20] weird it is the grandparents all sleep in the bed together and they were not treated as like
[02:15:25] oh it's a recurring sketch now just someone else is like did i get it yes isn't it also the
[02:15:30] configuration of how they're in the bed like aren't two people against the headboard and then
[02:15:34] like the others are on their head to toe head to toe head to toe yeah and two beds put together right
[02:15:42] right is that is that it i think yeah it probably is well with it's sort of part of the idea is
[02:15:47] like during this multi-generation house with like one bed right yes like i don't even know where
[02:15:51] the bucket sleep i don't know how they made charlie like not to be they got on top of the grand
[02:15:57] parents over the covers oh boy uh we gotta be done yeah with that let's wrap up Jamie thank you
[02:16:06] so much for doing oh thanks for having me guys for coming out this is a really interesting movie
[02:16:10] now i thought it was it was really fun to talk about it okay good it's sort of the intern of
[02:16:15] its of its time right oh yeah the intern i know i was thinking i was like what was the movie that we
[02:16:20] covered yeah one of my things way better than this movie yeah sure yeah all right i gotta
[02:16:26] paint okay oh no no no Jamie's got a plug oh you could know just you couldn't follow me on
[02:16:31] instagram out really Jamie Lee and yeah more to come you are you going on tour i have some date
[02:16:39] yeah yeah and they're yeah yeah and they're all like all my dates are listed on there's a link
[02:16:44] on my instagram you're one of the best out there truly that's such a fan of your work always
[02:16:51] i regretted missing you you were working through it yes but i think i'm gonna do it again
[02:16:55] okay yeah i did an hour union haul and i think i'm gonna it was really fun and productive so
[02:17:01] i'm gonna do it again amazing thank you for being here thanks for having me guys of course
[02:17:06] and thank you all for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe david is
[02:17:11] running to the bathroom thank you to maribarri our associate producer on the show thank you to
[02:17:16] jobo and pat rounds for our artwork jj birch for our research this one i think took some real digging
[02:17:22] to get any quotes on medicine man uh agent kean alixby are in for our editing layman
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[02:17:38] on film series we're still in terminators at this point i think um but we're also gonna be doing
[02:17:46] diehard two over there to fill in the gap of the one non-mectarian and diehard in that original
[02:17:52] trilogy we are yes we are still in terminator land and um just about a week ago we will have
[02:18:02] covered diehard two so that that is a thing i i direct you towards
[02:18:10] bed and i just kind of staring each other down now david slushing the toilet jamey's putting her code on
[02:18:17] tune in next week four well the good thing is mcturne and rebounded with a very simple easy
[02:18:23] production a movie that landed to universal acceptance last action here a movie that is basically
[02:18:30] like the two big to fail moment for like nineties studio film it really has his peaks and valleys
[02:18:35] it's true yes take us out tune in for that take us out and as always pop pop fish face
[02:18:48] i thought you said dick is out no he said take us out