Melvin and Howard (and Jordan Hoffman)

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Okay now listen buddy, you want to do me a favor?

[00:00:23] Depends on what it is Look I host this podcast No You like that? No it's like he's cutting them off Oh you're remembering this better than I am I don't know I wrote this song Yeah, no, yeah Immediately No! Okay ready? Third time's the charm Jesus Christ Okay

[00:00:47] There's three quotes on the quote page Okay So we got a performance test to carry the day on this one I'm no Robards I know He's my winner this year Trust me I know Jesus Christ Okay ready? Yeah I'm just let's just run it I host this podcast

[00:01:04] Wait what? I want to like test you He wants to rehearse Griffin just do the fucking thing and I'll reply Let's get this girl on the road Jesus You gotta hit your cue though Oh my god Okay ready? No actor Please

[00:01:17] You just did that joke one second ago You can't do it again You gave me another alley-oop Okay Ready? Now listen buddy, you want to do me a favor? Depends on what it is I host this podcast Perfect Alright Got it in one take No

[00:01:33] Got it in one take I only heard one take Why did he die? Robards He dies in 2000 because he dies after Magnolia Right So it's like, yeah of course he's in Magnolia Right He just looks so near death in this movie It's wonderful

[00:01:47] The man he looks like in this film I'm only gonna say this one time is Beetlejuice I will not say that name again He's got the poofed out I'm not gonna risk it But also the circles around the eyes And he's sort of got like white pancake makeup

[00:02:01] And the lines in his face are so like They look like etched in like a word caravan To a degree I wonder if He's someone you can fright as much as Right cause he's such a legendarily wacky figure anyway But I think his hair especially

[00:02:16] The hairline and the sort of like crazy Like fly away strands and all of that I wonder if to some degree Mr. Juice Was visually inspired by this before You could see some combination of Keaton and Burton going What if it's like an undead version

[00:02:32] Of Jason Robards and Melvin and Howard Right? That could happen It might have Or the hair and makeup person Being like what do you got for us Gladys I was kind of inspired by Jason Robards Totally What I put together here The super dark purple circles

[00:02:48] Fully around the eyes Yeah It's you know Sure There's something there Yeah but it's kind of incredible to watch a performance Like this and then be like And he had 20 more years left in him Playing old guys near death You would imagine it's right

[00:03:02] It's like yeah that was his last performance That he died and it was a great career he had I suspect that he wasn't actually that old When he made this I mean this might be like If you look at Math Owens' Sure

[00:03:13] He wasn't as old as George Burns I think he was old But they definitely made him look worse It does sort of speak to the weird fatalism Of being an actor where it's like You have to spend 20 years dying Before he died He was 78 when he died

[00:03:25] So let's see he's only like 58, 60 You know 59 Crazy He's in his 50s in this movie Good crag though Oh great crag boy He's been like what's the bottom time in the west He looks like this basically Yeah And that's like What 20 years before this No no

[00:03:42] I was digging into this So Robards wins Two back to back supporting Actor Dominant Yeah but it's the classic He should have won No it's not Take it back carry on He's right you were gonna say The correct win was the first one Right

[00:03:56] The second one's kind of odd Right He's good in that movie But it's not I don't even remember He wins for all the presidents men In 77 Which is like Yeah Classic supporting actor Good gravitas Definition of a supporting actor role And then he wins for Julia

[00:04:11] The following year He was in Julia? Now I've never seen Julia Apparently he has nine minutes of screen time I think he has one big scene Dachel Hammett Wait is Julia It's a big electrifying supporting performance This is the one about the It's a Holocaust film right

[00:04:25] It's a World War II movie Yeah it's a It's a Nazi Germany William Hellman Yeah I saw when I was a genie Jane Fonda Vanessa Reggrave It's the one Vanessa Reggrave One that she was like I don't like Israel And I was like It's bad for the Jews

[00:04:39] Right and Robards didn't even show up He didn't even show up It's the year he beat Alec Guinness For Star Wars For Star Wars Wow that's a perfect talk Which everyone thought Guinness Was like such a ledge Yeah That would have kind of like Been cool

[00:04:54] To give Alec Guinness one final Oscar Yeah it would have been number Numeroad Don't know So I didn't realize that So Robards was He gets enough just for being Star Wars It ruined his fucking life It did The last years of his life Yeah

[00:05:07] He's able to live off the Guinness fortune Yeah right Kept on making that beer in his name You know when I'm looking at So it was Guinness Okay Previous winner Maximilian Shell Also in Julia Next winner Peter Furth and Equus Who's like the kid The kind of classic

[00:05:21] We snuck the lead into a supporting category Right okay Great performance I guess that could have won And then Mikhail Baryshnikov In the turning point The famous Oh interesting All snubs Big hit but then Like 11 nominations No wins Something like that Yeah He would have been good

[00:05:37] There was a lot of that Him it was kind of like Ah well he's a good dancer Not a good actor Get out of here But there was weirdly A lot of that In like the 70s and 80s Where it's like Dexter Gordin gets nominated for best actor

[00:05:47] Right Mikhail Baryshnikov gets nominated For best supporting Like someone who wasn't really A movie star Yeah But like once did a big movie role I'm glad you brought up Dexter Gordin in Round Midnight It's one of the greatest movies Ever made I've never seen it I mean sorry

[00:06:01] It's a good movie Yeah But it is a fascinating phenomenon He was a jazz musician But someone who was like Already so established And respected in their field And then they go over to movies And that skepticism Is immediately melted away by You know what

[00:06:14] You're one of us That doesn't happen too much These days No, they used to love a newcomer Right I guess yeah Now it's all politics But Jennifer Hudson is a You know Is a classic example Jennifer Hudson's example Lady Gaga would be that

[00:06:26] If she hadn't spent ten years Trying to break in first Oh You know by the time She got the nomination Ever was so aware That she wanted to be an actress Did she win Lady Gaga? No Did she get nominated? She did Who won? Olivia Coleman Olivia Coleman

[00:06:40] In a very surprising Very great performance That was super Right Over Glyn Close But not over Olivia Coleman Right Right Glyn Close What if there was a wife? The wife I didn't see that yet Oh You know what You may have seen it and forgotten it Yeah

[00:06:56] Very possible I'm gonna say something radical Oh my god, here it comes You said you've never seen it Yet You hadn't seen it yet I'm gonna wager that You could spend the rest of your life Not seeing that movie Yeah And die a perfectly happy and content man

[00:07:08] At the age of 174 Okay, I'll never see it I did was recently on an aeroplane And I noticed that it was one of the God, there was Because I flew out of planes And that's sort of like December And it was like the plane movie

[00:07:19] Everyone was either watching the wife Or like Bayman Rhapsody or whatever I kept on not watching it on planes Because it went to planes quickly Yeah And I kept on not watching it on planes And being like They're not gonna actually nominate her Right

[00:07:32] And then when she got nominated When the nominations came out I was like god fucking damn it And I went and saw it at a theater In the Paris probably No, I saw it at the weird landmark That's on the West Side Highway Oh my god

[00:07:42] And I just like sat there with my arms crossed That's wife central That's wife HQ I think I literally I'm watching on the screener as it was intended To be watched I saw it after George Lucas talk show Because Because Glenn Close and Jonathan Price

[00:07:53] Had done the panel Right, they had just done it And I felt shitty that I had spent The entire show bluffing With Wada pretending he liked both of their performances You should have done like a wife week Like Forget Star Wars this week It's all about the wife

[00:08:06] I do love Jonathan Price by the way He's great I mean I do He's always pretty damn good Yes he is Well now he's hashtag the two popes Yeah, he's so fucking good He's one of the two popes He's one of the two popes

[00:08:16] It's Anthony Hopkins and Jonathan Price He's the young pope No, no, no The young pope is someone else He's the younger of the two popes He is It's fascinating because I had recently Rewatch Shavita Because I wrote this big Antonio Banderas piece Yeah And

[00:08:33] My congrats by the way Thank you, yes it did Whatever And He's obviously he plays Juan Perón Basically one of the most famous Argentinians who ever lived in that movie But in that movie everyone just uses An English accent There's not really much effort to

[00:08:47] You know have a Latin accent there Right And the two popes He's playing another one of the most famous Argentinians who ever lived Pope Francis Bergoleo And he does this incredibly accurate accent That is like amazing to behold He's a fucking genius 30 years to prepare 20 25

[00:09:05] Oh 20, yeah I was thinking The show on Broadway On Broadway No but that was Mandy Patinkin Yeah No no Mandy Patinkin was Che Right he was the Banderas Bob Gunton Was a Pérez Wow You can watch it with Patty Leponde Bob Gunton and Mandy Patinkin Wow

[00:09:19] You know Banderas is Che He's the best part He's the most Spanish people ever He's fucking a man Gunton Leponde They have Patinkin was your classic Sworthy guy on Broadway in the 80s You know what's he Greek Get Patinkin What's he Mediterranean What's he you know anything

[00:09:32] I was thinking And this is a thing That you will undoubtedly Have a lot of opinions on Jordan Yeah But I've been thinking a lot About Jewish representation In movies recently Oh yeah And it is funny that like Hollywood has traditionally Been very welcoming to Jewish actors Yes

[00:09:47] As long as they play people Of other ethnicities And any Jewish characters Have to be played by Gois You know like in classic Hollywood It was like you're You will never lack work You will play a Middle Eastern Or you will play a Mexican Right

[00:10:00] And then they like Right like they will Option a famous like Jewish novel Yeah And then this Clark Gable Is playing the role of Herman Well I mean not in Hollywood In Marjorie Morningstar All of these It's the classic But it was just so funny

[00:10:13] That they were just like Will accept Jews As long as they play All the other people That we don't want to hire They play Spaniards And then Wasps will play Jews Right And Italians will play wasps It's only going to make sense It's very very weird

[00:10:26] There is a little bit Of a thing right now I mean like Do I Does it bother me No But it is a little odd that Melissa McCarthy played Lee Israel in that movie Sure And she's phenomenal in that movie Yes But find me someone who's less

[00:10:45] Of a Lee Israel than Melissa McCarthy I think there are more Agreed to say Well I have someone who's Less of a Lee Israel Julianne Moore Yeah the original The original cast Oh that's right They were They did the right thing Yeah 100% I mean nothing against her Personally

[00:11:00] She's a phenomenal artist Ozzie Davis walked on set And said do the right thing They were a week away from filming I auditioned for like a one scene Part in the Julianne Moore Hall of Center version And they were like And we'll have an answer for you soon

[00:11:11] Because we start filming on Monday Oh my god And then on Sunday The movie was shut down But I was going to say I think there are more egregious examples The one that irked me a bunch That I wouldn't stop complaining About last year Of course Felicity Jones

[00:11:24] Now the dead can word Is where it's better than word Freedom Oh Yerana Yerana You know that movie was The man of Shevitz Yerana Baruchatara night It's time for women to be lawyers Yerana You gotta end every sentence with Yerana But you gotta go Yerana She's actually Fine

[00:11:45] But Natasha Leona's right there Right? Imagine her on the bench Totally Or here's another one Lizzie Kaplan Would have been a phenomenal choice They were clearly going for the classic Classic See that's anti-Scarvages The winner I mean nominee Not winner Go with you to the service center

[00:12:03] That movie was originally going to be I mean this is the weird Natalie Portman Natalie Portman and Mariel Heller Mariel Heller And then Mariel Heller takes over Mimi Leder is Jewish No I'm not complaining about Mimi Leder We love Mimi Leder I was just making the connection

[00:12:16] I had a very nice cup of tea with her To discuss on the basis of second Congratulations I have no problems with Mimi Leder I was just making the fun connection of How if Senator gets fired From Can You Ever Forgive Me It's a six degree

[00:12:27] Heller gets fired Right Swaps over I didn't see on the basis of success Of sex yet Iran I saw the documentary about The scene here Also there And I felt like that was enough That documentary is arguably worse Well but yes Queen Yes justice Yes Iran

[00:12:45] And that movie was nominated for Best Fight at the MTV Movie Awards Do you know this? Yeah A thing I will never stop talking about Nominate Best Fight RBG vs Inequality Yeah it's funny I mean whoever thought of that Was it the right is room?

[00:12:58] No but I lost to Captain Marvel Versus Minerva Minerva that's the one they bet Is Minerva Jude Law Cause that was funny at the end No he was Yeah that was funny That's one of the better things In Captain Marvel Minerva is a Gemma Chan

[00:13:14] A character I do not remember Having a fight with Captain Marvel What a shame They probably tussle for a second She's a blue lady and apparently They had the best fight of the year She's like Kate Hudson's hair In Pride Wars Let me tell you something She's blue

[00:13:26] Let me tell you something This is going to be a good one We got some heat this episode I'll tell you something about that Captain Marvel There were 23 Marvel movies Something that range That was either 22 or 23 I think I mean I sat there I watched it

[00:13:40] I didn't yearn for death While it was on I had an okay time You can say it in urinate But I would put it in dead last Dead last Behind like the Incredibles Hulk Or whatever I hear Man 2 Behind the Incredible Hulk

[00:13:54] Because there's a scene in the Incredible Hulk Where the Hulk is standing in the field In like the middle of like a Princeton University It's like whatever Marvel University He looks like the poop monster from Dogma And there's like a group of baddies Who are you know

[00:14:11] Yeah there's the bad guys They're trying to get him on one side And they try to get him on the other side And they like They try to like they send like Sound waves to attack him And it's just like Just these lines

[00:14:25] And it's just the cheapest, lamest, dumbest thing But it works And somehow this became the biggest franchise In the history of That is a funny story I mean it's this hilarious little like Mischapen like you know child Sort of like Yes I too have been the Marvel Universe

[00:14:41] You know like the core of all these like Buff superheroes It's like don't forget about the Incredible Hulk It's like when you read that like There's a scene in a soda factory Right there's a scene in a soda factory That's better than anything in Captain Marvel

[00:14:53] What's in Captain Marvel? I remember one she puts on a suit it's a rainbow You know it sounds good What do you got There are like one or two things I like in that movie There's some stuff I We will be watching it imminently I didn't dislike it

[00:15:07] It's certainly in my bottom rung And if I have more Iron Fjord Is because I usually like Bowden Fleck So fucking much Oh no the thing I like in it is Mendelsson That's why I like Captain Marvel He's doing so much work And I like Sam Jackson

[00:15:25] And he drinks some milk shake Actual performances behind me He drinks your milkshake in that right And that's the same on the internet It's the same milkshake from something Don't you know what I'm talking about Yeah I feel like that whole movie is just fucking Easter eggs

[00:15:39] So remember when Sam Jackson was in other movies Yeah yeah that's what it was It was the milkshake from Pulp Fiction Hey you know what's a great movie I will say this I've gotten weirdly into Arsenio Yellow You know from the 90s

[00:15:54] Can I talk about the greatest thing Weird that Arsenio wasn't in Captain Marvel Very 90s guy to be in a movie Did you folks see it was circling around the internet yesterday The thing where Arsenio Hall gave Paul Rubin's The Plack Do you know what I'm talking about

[00:16:10] He's like in the Black Gang Can I read this? Who's the woman in that picture? It's the woman from Ruth Baderkin Yeah Hannah It's the woman from Big Top Pee We Valerie Gollino From Hot Shots And Better Off Dead Intractive woman Can I talk about what's relevant

[00:16:34] There's podcast about filmography Directors who have massive success early on in their careers Giving a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy Passion products they want And sometimes those checks clear Maybe And this is a May series on the films of Jonathan Demi The

[00:16:50] Title of which is Stop Making Podcast Which feels like a threat from our listeners They voted for that to be the title And it feels kind of Like a little bit of a like You get it You see And today we're getting, we have hit the first great

[00:17:06] Movie And you know there are the times where I question Briefly momentarily We're trying to cover every movie in director's Filmography especially when it's a long one like this But the thing that makes it worth it Is when you go straight from last embrace To this

[00:17:22] You know if you're cherry picking You can see all their best movies and you can break them down And you can make your insights but there's something incredible about Watching him, you know make three Cormans Then do like You gotta get through hell before you Get to heaven

[00:17:38] Well and it's like you're seeing like these little glimpses These little pieces But those five movies in a row Are all pretty far from great They have good elements They have moments of just like ooh there's something here And then this movie is just A perfect little thing

[00:17:54] It is just this like gem I think that's the call, that's the right call Ben when we were doing the Miyazaki episodes Was crying a lot right You would just be overcome with emotion At sometimes innocuous things In the film Well it's just

[00:18:12] It was the first time I was being exposed to Miyazaki And I was also sort of going through An existential crisis Of course So it was a kind of a coalesce A horrible thing to wrangle out was Coalescing those two things Crisis boys

[00:18:30] But I was crying a lot Yes there were several points in this movie where I almost started crying And not at emotional scenes Just because how In a sort of Miyazaki way moved I was By the sort of Observational beauty of The film

[00:18:46] Just like the actual spirit of the movie And how content The film is It's a kind movie made by a kind person Indeed There are universal There is a Pauline Kale line that is incredible That I was just like That is the best I've ever seen Someone encapsulate

[00:19:06] Or sort of verbalize what the Demi thing is But yes, the other movies up until this point Have brief glimpses of it And this is the first time he makes a movie Where that is sustained from beginning to end And you cannot sort of believe

[00:19:20] How thoroughly he has bottled this sort of energy Without it feeling Manufacturing or I often do wonder because the script is Is it William Goldman or Bogleman I got my Gogleman So when you watch the movie at the beginning You have the sense that it's going to be

[00:19:36] Classic New Hollywood, right? It's 80 Came out in 80s so it's still Shooting on the 70s Oh is this going to be like the last detail Is this going to be like You know road picture With some dark America And you keep waiting for that dark turn to happen

[00:19:54] And it doesn't come It's not new Hollywood at all I mean you can spin it that way marketing wise But it is a new This is not like 5 easy pieces No exactly Where it's like the end of the day Fuck America

[00:20:10] And there were so many of those movies in the 70s That have a similar look And a similar setting Similar actors 100% It's all a Harry and Tonto Which is a little nicer because there's a cat And there's a cat dies And a lot of those

[00:20:28] A lot of the movies from that time And it does have a similar look But at some point along the way you're watching This is something totally different It's about a man who believes In like the good in America Even though he's kind of like

[00:20:42] It's never really happening for us We're going to dig into it Can I read this Pauline Kale line? This is after it Opened the New York Film Festival And everyone was like Wow how great to see A well crafted commercial picture Like this was viewed as like

[00:21:00] Obviously this is like populous popcorn fare But of such excellent craft And integrity Which is crazy to think right? Because this would be a fucking Bleecker street release I know but yeah they are like God this consumer swill But it's pretty good considering People were rapturous about it

[00:21:18] Very critically popular It is stunning that a studio comedy is this good I think it's still in that There's so many There's the Hollywood movies that are very dark And intense and transgressive And then there's this sort of like Stately Oscar film

[00:21:34] That's like a period epic or a true story Sydney Lumet's The Verdict Was right on the same time I love that movie The dark movies What's his pants? The decade that changes everything Where it goes from being a certain type of Stately Oscar picture to now

[00:21:52] These transgressive sort of radical counter cultural films Being successful with the academy And there constantly being this tension between the two And here comes a movie Here comes a movie that is neither But has the best qualities of both And also a whole other chunk of things

[00:22:08] You haven't seen before What did Paul and Kayle have to say? Ready for this? Jonathan Demme's lyrical comedy Melvin and Howard which opened the New York Film Festival September 26th Here's the line Everything that Demme does well Is an almost flawless act Of sympathetic imagination That is beautiful

[00:22:28] Give it to me, Paulie But that's the thing, that's the difference with him Dan Harmon once stroked about Like 70s New Hollywood movies That like they're about a drunk guy Who wakes up, eats a sandwich And takes a shit and then the movie's over

[00:22:42] That's what Fat City is And Fat City's a masterpiece I love Fat City, it's a masterpiece And that seems close It's a perfect example of Like a similar Tactile field in this film Like if you projected two on either wall And spun somebody around and said

[00:23:00] Look at these movies They're the same movie They're both about losers who keep on failing And they're sort of Efforts to try to hold onto the couple Human relationships in their life that matter Like a kind of rural World or like a trailer park world

[00:23:16] Right, but one of them is very You know, unsparing and cynical And then the sympathetic Imagination thing is Demi-Detractors, and I remember this coming up a lot When Rachel Getting Mary came out Incorrectly People go like, what wedding is like this

[00:23:32] Come on, he wants to believe that's this Beautiful cultural melting pot And it's this inclusive and this and that And it's like, yeah, I want to believe that too It's a sympathetic imagination That's your argument It's a movie where people act better You know, like it's like

[00:23:48] It's the Paddington effect of like If you can do it with intelligence And actual observation And hearts, I'd love to watch a movie Where you Commit your imagination not to imagining a Sci-Fi scenario, but that We can live in a world that is this sort of

[00:24:04] Kind, you know, and sweet Even when struggles happen Even when heartbreaks happen And the beauty of this movie is This is a movie about a guy who is kind of Addicted to the Abstract idea of the American Dream 100%

[00:24:20] But also it's not naive enough to think it's ever going to happen Right, well that's the beautiful note I think he's a little naive, but yes I think he gets there, I mean that's weirdly The arc of the film, it's him getting there

[00:24:30] But it's like an equal combination Of this guy having bad luck and tough breaks And also this guy Self-sabotaging in a number of ways Because he's trying to like sort of Hop the ladder wrong He's trying to skip a few things

[00:24:44] Like so many people do all the time That's the thing, but like the buying a boat moment It's kind of like yeah, it's when people buy a house Because they're like what? I should own a house Because you're supposed to and then like

[00:24:54] You can't afford it and you know, you go under We'll get to the boat moment, but it's one of the most Heart-breaking moments in the film because the second he pulls up The boat you're like this guy's going to fuck it up again

[00:25:02] Beyond that you're like oh this is it Yes, we're going to like this is it This is the last straw for Mary Steenberg and like this is over Can I read one other review thing From Roger Ebert And this is like Ebert S's best

[00:25:18] And the last line of this Makes me choke up I think this is just such beautiful Writing And Ebert of course was like the big Proponent of like cinema as An empathy machine And Demi is like a great Sort of embodiment of that ideal Right? He said

[00:25:40] Hollywood started with the notion that the story of the Mysterious Hughes will might make a good courtroom thriller Well maybe it could have But my hunch is that when they met Dumar They had the good sense to realize they could get a better And certainly a funnier story

[00:25:52] Of what happened to him between the day he met Hughes And the day the will was discovered And then here's the line Dumar is the kind of guy who thinks They ought to make a movie out of his life This time he was right That's a great line

[00:26:06] But that is the spirit of the movie This is the kind of guy who views Every moment of his life as The first act in what will be the incredible Story of a man overcoming Poverty Overcoming sort of being born And the business end of capitalism

[00:26:22] Or underneath the boot Who found a way to make himself At a clay And it's a movie, it's like I think Karazuzki and Alexander Often talk about this film being a huge inspiration for them Because it's the idea of The biopic of sort of an ordinary

[00:26:38] Or unexceptional person But the thing that they've always done Which this movie I feel like is the first example The early example I've ever seen Of a film doing this correctly Is making a movie about a real person Who most in history would view As a loser

[00:26:54] And making the film with the sort of Energy of how the person Saw themselves In an unusual way but that they want to believe They were always one step away from greatness And this becoming an incredible story of triumph And then also just being the ideas like

[00:27:08] That must have been what Howard Saw in him. Because this movie is sort of Like It's just accepting that Howard wrote The Will Where it's like, certainly Howard Hughes Probably did not write The Will, who knows But like this movie is like no, this is about

[00:27:22] The guy who Howard wrote The Will to So what would Howard have seen in that guy And they're like one car ride It's also, he's a There are chaplain elements to Melvin I mean he's not like a Small goofy guy but he's sort of A

[00:27:38] He's kind of a little tramp. I mean he's Stuck in the giant gears of like Society And city lights are modern times Modern times is the machinery City lights which is the one where he befriends The rich guy, but the rich guy only remembers Him when he's drunk

[00:27:54] That is city lights because that's what the blind girl He thinks he's the rich guy So I mean there's a lot of that and I think that's what I think some of these critics were responding to It's sort of a classic story that Classic cinematic story that

[00:28:10] Was missing for a very long time And coming out of a decade of You know so much cynicism Which was in response to a sort of like Very Rosie-eyed white wash kind of Happiness and positivity And you know very cut and dry morality

[00:28:26] Then you have a decade that like veers the opposite direction Yeah well with Vietnam War and Watergate it'll do that Totally and so like Demi is Like tip of the spear top of a decade being like I have figured out my voice

[00:28:36] I figured out who I am as a director And it's to try to like Incorporate the sort of like The grittiness, the versimilitude Of the new Hollywood with A sort of classic Hollywood Optimism but to make it rooted In something genuine I mean she is a stripper

[00:28:54] And like not happy about it She's not like a sex positive Stripper She's like I have to work and this is the only Work available to me but it's still like She loves dancing, she finds She's like always got a smile

[00:29:08] I mean she's kind of like goofy about it It's um Yeah I'm just like She's just incredible Mary Steve Brinjan in this film They all are Right because she does the The Nicholson discovers her Going south is that what that one's called?

[00:29:24] And does she have anything in between going south and south? She was in time after time Oh right where she then Shacks up with Malcolm McDowell Isn't he in that movie as well? Yes because she gets married to Malcolm McDowell Somewhere in time with Christopher Reeve

[00:29:40] That's not what this is You are correct that she was with Malcolm McDowell married for 10 years And she was also in Something time Somewhere in time Double steam virgin, double time Can I tell you that my remembrance of the

[00:29:54] Somewhere in time log line even though I haven't seen it Since probably the year you were born Christopher Reeve is like In a hotel In New Hampshire Or someplace New Englandy And it's nice And he breaks up with his girlfriend and he's like

[00:30:10] Ah this hotel is so nice I wish I could have been here when this hotel first opened And then like he gets a quarter And the quarter says the year 1912 on it He's like wow 1912 And then suddenly he's in 1912 Wow Yeah that sounds right

[00:30:26] There's 1912 as mentioned in this Wikipedia page Time after time is McDowell and steam virgin That's the Nicholas Meyer one, that's about Jack the Ripper And they remade that as an ABC TV Show like two years ago Speaking of an ABC TV show That was weirdly popular but

[00:30:40] Also cancelled Uncanceled and then recanceled Here's what I was going to say 17 subjects ago Robards, three Oscar nominations Two wins All within a four year period All as an older man Right but it's 77 78 77, 78 and 81 if you're going by ceremony Year

[00:31:06] All three performances with less than 15 minutes of screening time Sure There was something kind of incredible about A small amount of Jason Robards It's kind of wild that he didn't get a Magnolia nomination I guess crews sort of ate that I think so But he is phenomenal Magnolia

[00:31:22] He is, I mean he is what that movie is Which is over the fucking top I love it I love that movie David did you like Melvin and Howard? I love Melvin and Howard I had sort of the same thing I had a very foggy memory

[00:31:38] In my Oscar nerd teenager days I was like well I should see The movie that Mary Steenburge won for I remember watching it and being like I don't get it, it's like When you're a teenager no one's yelling This is good, this seems so quiet

[00:31:52] There's no big moment I don't really get it I think I probably watched it on cable While doing homework out of a sense of completion I would hate homework so much That I would be like You have to either rent Or record any movie That feels important

[00:32:10] For your movie knowledge Especially Oscar history And watch them while you're doing homework So that doing homework doesn't feel like a waste of time That was my whole philosophical argument Was doing homework is a waste of my time I could be watching movies

[00:32:24] When I was a teen I thought of Demi as this guy Who had made this one great movie And then otherwise was more of a journeyman I don't think I took Demi especially serious You like Silence of the Lands and that's it

[00:32:34] I mean like I like other movies But I feel like my teenage oturist He made all these weird goofy comedy Before making a serious movie But this is his real oturism Because Mary to the Mom is another one that I just saw on TV

[00:32:46] Although that movie I liked a lot But 80-90 is this incredible Tor-run of comedies unlike anything anyone's ever made Ask me if I've seen this movie before Jordan have you seen this movie before I have a funny story that might be of interest To your listeners

[00:33:00] I would love to hear this story It's not that grand of a story I come into this room This is a new format You Griffin you're a young man You're sprinkling with energy And vitality Many of your listeners

[00:33:16] May not know what it was like to be a film fan Back when I was a young lad I grew up I saw this Putting some like Godfather music Long time ago the Lower East Side of Mommoth County, New Jersey I can smell it

[00:33:34] I grew up in the 1980s Right? And my family My father was an early adapter To VCR technology In the early 1980s At a time Video cassette record VCR VHS Now we were VHS family We're not a Betamax family At the time my father was Scowled

[00:34:02] I remember the neighbors The Bernsteins The Pears? No Those are the Bernsteins Marissa Was it Marissa? I don't know No, no, it's Mama and Papa The Bernsteins down the front came to look At our VHS player And mocked And say it didn't go beta

[00:34:24] How many lines of resolution does this thing even have? And my father said who had been reading Consumer reports for weeks at that point Said I think VHS is the one As a result however Of us being a VCR family My father Refused to get cable

[00:34:40] We have enough He was like this is it, this is the technology He says we have it, you have so much to rent Who needs HBO History of cinema, your fingertips As long as your fingertips are scanning a blockbuster shell So, Dig My father Was big into recording

[00:34:58] Movies off of Channel 7 Not cable, right? He would tape the ABC movie of the week Monday night, Monday night, Channel 9 The million dollar movie, the whole thing So we had a mast of fairly substantial Tape off of television Edited for television, so no squares

[00:35:16] With the commercials intact, they were on late at night Blah blah blah So here's the thing, my father was like oh Melvin and Howard What a picture, we're gonna tape it tonight about Channel 7 And he did This is like mid-80s at this point

[00:35:28] So a couple years after the movie came out It was a recent class Oh, I loved it in the theaters Your mother and I saw it, it's a scream Howard used, does he give you hits? Is it true, is he lying, who knows

[00:35:40] So we get Melvin and Howard On a brand new Tdk VHS tape On the slow speed Whatever the speed was That you would get more time So the shittier quality But the more time to maximize the dollars So here's the point I'm trying to make

[00:35:58] We were a taping family So we were always taping things And you can get three movies On one VHS tape, if they were two hours Or whatever it was You could get three movies on there The first movie was Melvin and Howard The second one

[00:36:14] It was either airplane or sleeper Some comedy of the year Something that I watched 155,000 times It was like a 70s gagamanic comedy It was one of the movies that I loved And made me a functional man That I am today The point I'm making is

[00:36:30] I watched that movie every day after school Because you would just put that tape in I would put that tape in and watch Pannettis, sleeper I bought those But airplane Sons 70s A biggie that I memorized Let's say airplane, it probably was airplane

[00:36:48] So I go to watch airplane every day After school because I have no friends And I come home And the thing is this I would have to rewind the tape in the beginning Because I'd just watched airplane Rewind the building and now

[00:37:02] See, this thing you listeners don't know I would then have to fast forward Melvin and Howard Through Melvin and Howard to get to airplane Because we didn't There's a CD, you hit forward Boom Track 2, none of that Now with your streams, your Vimeo You clickity clickity click

[00:37:20] There's millennials in there Vimeo You YouTube it to each other Nonsense, me, I'm in the trenches The point I want to make to you Gentlemen is I have seen You had to walk 17 miles on the snow I have seen the ending Wow, okay

[00:37:36] To Melvin and Howard 5 million times I've seen the last 2 minutes of that Film more than any other movie I've ever seen And it took me until maybe 3 years ago To actually watch the movie Wow, wow Yes, see I, my father Love this movie

[00:37:52] And my father, an upcoming guest on the show We have the episode banked It's quite a barn, Bertie If you like monologues by Jewish men Is we just got a great one It is a Spalding Grey-esque Hour and a half long monologue Done by my father

[00:38:08] Talking about Spalding Grey It also will explain A lot of my brain And also why we're friends I'm just sort of right The similarities between you and my father The similarities between me and my father We all talk about the evolution of New Line

[00:38:24] That Ben I think wanted to blow his brains Ben then calls us Betacox But, my father Talks about in the episode that he was not a big Movie guy, despite working in the entertainment industry Which was sort of Something he fell into and did not want to do

[00:38:38] After many other careers had failed him at that point So I would always ask My dad what his favorite movies were Because I only cared about movies The only thing I wanted to talk about My dad works in the movie business

[00:38:50] He must love them and he'd be like, not really But the movies he would tell me he loved Were, I mean this is kind of My dad's favorite type of movie Which is this very very sort of Seemingly Slight, small Well observed human story

[00:39:06] With just a little bit of an odd bent And he would describe movies to me As a child where I'd go, what's that about I could go, Melvin and Howard probably one of my 10 favorite movies What's that about and the way he would

[00:39:16] Describe it to me would seem So odd That it would stick in my mind for years And years and years before I ever saw them Bruce McLeod was another one like this Where I'd go, what's the movie about And he would say it's about this guy

[00:39:30] Who's just kind of a loser And he picks up an old man on the side of the road And it turns out to be Howard Hughes $160 million So I go, so the movie is about him getting Really rich out of nowhere and he was like

[00:39:44] No, that happens at the very end The movie is just kind of the guy living his life And I would think I don't understand How that's a movie But so it must be good That's what made it seem magical to me I was like whatever happens

[00:39:58] In the middle stretch of that movie An incredible setup, an amazing ending There must be something So well executed Because I don't understand how that can sustain 90 minutes And so it would hold this sort of mythical place In my brain of what is this movie

[00:40:14] And it just sort of felt like I have in my head this sort of like The folklore version of it And it's a laugh a minute, you know, thrills and chills Then you see it, it's kind of a shaggy dog thing

[00:40:24] Well I think I knew it must have been Somewhat shaggy Because, you know, the inciting Incident then takes an hour and a half To play out where I was like There aren't hijinks tied to The big hook of the movie

[00:40:38] In order for that movie to be that good Something has to be done So well In the area that you're not even describing To me, that's what was kind of magical about I guess was that he couldn't describe What happened in the whole middle trunk of the movie

[00:40:52] It would be hard to describe it, how would you describe it It's like he just kind of does A guy lives a life He's got the one wife and kids That fells apart, he gets another wife eventually He kind of tries to make it big a couple times

[00:41:05] He sort of like brushes up against You know, tiny bits of He's a good milk man for a little while Right, good milk man But like it's just vignetti and sort of this and that The other movie that's sort of like this for me Is Terms of Endearment

[00:41:21] Where I feel like everyone remembers the beginning The end is humongous Everyone watches that movie and is like Isn't this the movie about someone getting cancer and dying And it's like no, only right at the end Mostly it's just about her life

[00:41:33] Mostly it's just about her life and so much of Different relationships she has, all these different things Right, and it's like Well that's the real meat of the thing But that's the hard thing to explain So everyone reduces it to What's the setup overbearing mother

[00:41:47] What's the end, cancer weepy What's the setup, this beautiful sort of meeting Between A nothing man and a billionaire And what's the end He gets the will, you know But knowing that it will never But it's the same thing and that's like

[00:42:03] You talk about what makes a good director What makes a good screenplay, what makes a good performance It's that all this stuff in the middle And the middle is 95% of the movie Is so gripping and so engaging and so emotional

[00:42:17] And there's no way to explain why it is Because it's all just done well It's well observed You know, it's done with like An incredible amount of intelligence and craft And also has like weird twists that you go with it Like they're watching a game show

[00:42:31] And he's like we should go on the game show And then they go on the game show Which is based in fact That's in the Wikipedia page That actually happened But it is, I mean it's a stranger than Truth story of what, you know

[00:42:44] All the weird things this guy went through That he got married twice and the second time Was, you know, in Vegas To his wife who had left him Got pregnant by another man You know Is it good that I relate to this? Oh, totally I think it's inappable

[00:42:58] Yeah, you have to I mean I think that's what Because I guess the ultimate cash-in on this movie Is this is sort of the Bo Goldman blank check Because he had done Cuckoo's Nest Won the Oscar Screenwriter you're saying Right

[00:43:13] And I think this was his big pet project He wins another Oscar for this screenplay But I think much like Ebert You know, guest This was such a big news story That probably ended up being a big hit

[00:43:25] But I think it's a story that probably everyone was thinking How do you make a movie out of the lawsuit How do you make a movie out of the trial Right, and he ignored that He ignored that It's a title card at the end It's still under contention

[00:43:36] Which it was until like 2006 It was still being contested I mean someone wrote a book in the 90s He sued again in the 2000s He died just a year ago The whole problem was there was never a real will

[00:43:47] So they could just kind of like drag it out forever This is the only thing that he's been purporting There were very compelling narratives on both sides Which were, he uses people were saying Why would he leave it to this guy This thing's riddled with spelling errors

[00:44:01] It has a bunch of things that don't line up with his life Why would he leave money to this guy This is stuff that anyone could have researched in a book His wife had access to all these documents She could have copied his signature

[00:44:12] All this sort of stuff And on Melvin's side It's like these guys wanted that money for themselves Right They didn't want to give it up to some fucking guy Who they never heard of before They just stomped on the wonderful reality of this movie

[00:44:25] But he definitely made the will up The evidence against him is completely damning And there's no evidence that he would have really used Did you read about this book though? That book is ludicrous It's like the most insane circumstantial

[00:44:37] Like well this one guy kind of saw him go to the stands one time Like it's not very good But also that Hughes had told other people about Yeah Sure Maybe he met Howard Hughes Yeah Right And he did have four tower fuses Howard Hughes' will

[00:44:54] I think he probably made the will up But that is the beauty of this movie Which is like why not make a story about that being real That's what I love about this movie Right You don't really have to think about the real guys Real

[00:45:07] This movie is about the guy who actually got this will You know that's what I just said Yeah A while ago Right I'm doing a little research here I think Melvin himself was on They change it for the movie It's not let's make a deal

[00:45:21] It's the pathway to riches What's it called Road to riches Easy streets Easy street with the dollar sign instead of Z That's what it is But I think he was on He was literally on let's make a deal Yeah Or something like that

[00:45:39] But I think he was on more than once Or he was on multiple I don't know it's a great It's a great scheme game shows There was a little stretch of my life When I thought game shows was my My window into fortune Really Yeah

[00:45:53] I was on a game show Which game show I was almost on Jeopardy Okay And I would have been I was going to guess You seemed like you would kill as a Jeopardy contestant I had a disaster of a time when Because I made it past

[00:46:04] You don't just One does not simply walk into Jeopardy Sure But I screwed up I could not remember John Grisham's name Oh John Grisham is not exactly an esoteric fella Quite famous And I could see his dumb books in my head I could see

[00:46:21] You could feel the weight It's like Blue Marble And then half the pages I saw John Grisham I saw what's friggin' Crews in the firm Like a poster running You mean the greatest film of all time Yeah It's not that good to firm Hmm, interesting opinion Get out

[00:46:37] Out I could not remember John Grisham's name And then I just And then I was done And it knocked me out Because he went to get past that round That was in sort of the final audition You had a bad af out

[00:46:46] So wait, what game show were you on? Oh, I was on a show Very relevant to this I was on a show called the What was the exact title? The all- the word- Fuck, what was it called? The Great American Film Fanatic Or something like that

[00:47:02] The world's biggest film fanatic It wasn't- Was it the IFC? Yeah, IFC's film fanatic Chris Gore hosted one Oh, I watched every episode of that Yeah, well then you saw me I definitely did Yeah, I was in the first season And I won my semi-final

[00:47:15] I won five grand And that's when I decided It was that night Yeah In Los Angeles And it was funny because I was You know, I'm from New York Oh yeah And I'm from the New York Yeah, you're a real New Yorker I get it

[00:47:26] And they sent me out to Los Angeles In February It's cold in New York And I was in an outdoor swimming pool In February Wearing a boiler suit Saying to myself I like having dreams here LA I'm gonna conquer this town Hollywood How am I gonna do it?

[00:47:45] Game shows And- So you really are a bit of a Melvin Do you want to- So then- But so I won five grand Because I did quite well But then I lost the final round And again, I'll tell you why It's been- And you know this

[00:47:57] I sometimes look a scant at Animated films Not too into the cartoons Yeah, you don't like the baby movies You're a bit of a netty valiant My favorite thing was last year You making every film critic in the world In New York at least

[00:48:10] Furious at you by insisting Paddington 2 was an animated- It was! It was an animated film Paddington 2, because we were talking about What's gonna be the best animated film You're like, I don't know, Paddington 2 It's a cartoon, right? People just kept being like Jordan, I feel like you're joking

[00:48:26] But it's not a cartoon I was not joking It's a cartoon It's not a real bit Bears don't talk Bears don't friggin' talk You don't understand how many Conversations like this I have to overdo it Bears don't talk They don't friggin' live in the Train station

[00:48:41] They don't eat jelly sandwiches It's marmalade! I think a bear would eat a jelly sandwich If he gave them one I mean, they'll eat anything You've taken up drugs A bear will talk to you Paddington 2 is an animated film So it's for children

[00:48:55] So it's not really my thing So, still only... My dad had the same thing When I took him to see the Muppets And he went, so is that gonna win Best Animated Film? He's right! It's a cartoon It's not! It's not a regular movie Seriously?

[00:49:09] He could talk about this all day And I would always find it funny Everything you say on this topic Always gets me shit Well, the thing is this In my own defense I forgot that Paddington 2 had people in it Right I thought it was just talking about it

[00:49:23] You initially forgot that But then you just Double down You just tripled down You poured all your money into it Yeah, because everybody got annoyed Exactly Great And I fully supported it It's a great bit 100 comedy points Alright So, on the Ultimate Film Fanatic Where I won $5,000

[00:49:39] But should have won 10 I'd forgotten I forgot a fact about Shrek Which fact? Well, I mean Do you associate Cameron Diaz with Shrek? Of course I do Her most famous role Princess Fiona She's not in Shrek She's in Shrek! No! It's a cartoon She's not in it

[00:49:58] It's true She went in a booth For like four hours And said some stupid lines That's true Very stupid She forgot about it And now she I'm supposed to remember that Cameron Diaz is in Shrek I forgot about it Then got like a $10 million check I remember

[00:50:13] I believe she literally got $10 million for that movie No Yeah, for Shrek too That's absurd Shrek 2, they didn't have Sequel deals in place And Shrek 2, I believe Murphy, Myers and Diaz Each got $10 million I'm telling you Shrek 2 Was a hit at the box office It would have made

[00:50:29] The same exact gross Had they replaced Cameron Diaz With anybody off the street It was your correct $10 million apiece Yeah But that was They made $350,000 for the first film Name an actress Natasha Lyon If they put Natasha Lyon in instead of Shrek, come on How much better? Anybody

[00:50:49] You fucking ogre Put down that She made a good Shrek Get out of my swamp She would be good Shrek Come on It's just a genetic dialogue They picked up Mary Stainburgen You put Mary Stainburgen Instead of Cameron Diaz You give her $255,000 She'd be thrilled Sure

[00:51:05] That's a lot of money $10 million for Cameron Diaz Cameron Diaz Mary Stainburgen is married to Ted Dancer He's the richest man in the world Yeah Alright, you know Pamela Reed Is in Melvin and Howard Great She's great in the film She plays the Mormon And He's holding up

[00:51:19] The pieces of paper Like this is a congressional hearing Jordan is holding up The print out of the Melvin and Howard Wikipedia page You fucking Perry Mason Like he's like You'll see the record Reflects she is in the film Our first guest to ever ask for

[00:51:30] A hard copy of Wikipedia Well, I took notes And I left my computer at home I had some prepared comments I do love your argument That Jeffrey Katzenberg should have Dropped at that point Probably the single most Bankable actress in Hollywood Had replaced her with Pamela Reed

[00:51:46] For the single Absolutely Bankable in my eye Nobody gives a shit about her They care about what The green monster looks like Can I play devil's advocate here? Please You have to remember that 2004 Trek II Is the peak of Jeffrey Katzenberg Latching onto this idea of

[00:52:03] What if I cast the biggest stars To be in my movie They only have to work a day But then I make them do A full press tour Right, they go on Leno They did so much fucking promo And eventually they realized

[00:52:14] Like people got burned out on that And they pulled back On voice actors But that year it was like They were promoting that Like it was their Their passion project All three of them And it was a thing for children

[00:52:25] It was in competition at the Cannes Film Festival It was in competition Trek II Trek II The Quentin Tarantino year The year of Fahrenheit 9-11 wins Yeah Maybe Trek II should have won Another stunning set Another stunning set At the time of its release

[00:52:39] And for several years after Trek II was The third highest-grossing film of all time Of course Wasn't it the first movie To beat the Spider-Man Opening weekend, I think? Or maybe it was the first The second movie to get over 100 Yeah But it was a Titanic

[00:52:53] Then Star Wars And then Trek II Why does Trek keep coming up? Donkey Donkey So weird I don't know that I saw this We talked about it on Spirit It Away Yeah They're both cartoons I saw, I don't know I saw the first Trek I don't know

[00:53:10] We should have had Jordan On every Miyazaki episode Not a fan I don't know, it's a fucking tune Not a fan Princess Mononoke Give me a break Go fly your castle somewhere else, lady There was an animated film That we almost went to see together

[00:53:22] You very kindly invited me To a screening But it was at 9 a.m. on a Saturday And I slept through it Did I? Yes, and it was I believe the one animated franchise You kind of have affinity for Because we've talked about it before Wait, let me guess

[00:53:36] Sausage party? Hotel Transylvania Oh, Hotel Transylvania is great Thank you That's a great new movie Because it's super Borsch-Beldy Yeah, it's not a real movie But we bonded on that You were like, yeah That's the only cartoon I like Yeah, I like Hotel Transylvania

[00:53:50] It's monsters and they make vaudeville jokes Great, it's fantastic Did they make a third one? I think they did They did, they did It's great I saw the first one So I didn't I did very well on the second Sure Second round of Ultimate Philipsanetic

[00:54:05] You missed a Shrek But it was the Shrek thing Now here's what's a How was the question posed? Do you remember what? I do, I remember it exactly And I have a little bit of a bone to pick With the producers of the show

[00:54:17] Because what they did was As you know there's editing involved Of course And entertainment Maybe not on this show Except for the tick I had no editing So you know that It was all live Like that one episode of ER Great episode Every time someone pressed the button

[00:54:30] To stream it I have to run back to the stages On the Ultimate Philipsanetic When they cut it together They did make snips So when there was Something for this particular gag The gag was called Cameron, Cameron, Cameron And they put us all up in a line Sure

[00:54:48] And we had a name, a film That was associated either with James Cameron, Cameron Crowe Or Cameron Diaz And then we'd go down the line So you'd say Titanic You know Elizabeth Town Something else And I had run out We were at the bottom

[00:55:01] And it was time to go to the Fake movies, i.e. cartoons I.e. Shrek So I had already said Charlie's Angels 2 Full Throttle But I'd run out of Cameron Diaz movies So I bombed out on Cameron Diaz And then the person next to me Was like Shrek

[00:55:18] And of course Shrek Our highest grossing film It's a cartoon So the point is this though They edited it to make it Watchable So all the really deep cuts That I pulled out of my Your last suppers Yeah, I pulled out a lot of

[00:55:33] Weird things for James Cameron Well, I mean how many Weird movies are here involved in But you know She's the one Yeah, I pulled in Some nice ones Deep Diaz Minnesota I think I pulled in Whatever They didn't make the cut So I look like some idiot

[00:55:48] You look like a fuckin moron Who bombed out on Shrek You're like, uh, Charlie's Angels And then you're like, uh, hello So I had a little bit of a bone But I did get five grand And there were other great I had to do a debate round

[00:56:03] Where we had to pretend I had to pretend that I didn't like Kill Bill Oh wow They assigned you Yeah, maybe it's an NDA It's also like ten years ago Yeah, but that feels like An SAT like essay Where you're just like Pretend you don't like somebody

[00:56:19] You didn't have to do the SAT essay Right, that came later I think I did the SAT No, what changed? Something fucking changed They added an essay portion I don't know The essay was the worst though Because it's like you crack open your book

[00:56:31] And it'd be like, here's your thing That you have to defend And you're like, I don't agree with this And I have ten minutes Right, right, right That's how it was Like, because they produced Took us a side It's like, okay, these are our topics You too

[00:56:42] We pay, it's like We're gonna do Kill Bill Either of you have an opinion on it The guy looks like, I love Kill Bill It's like, great You dislike it And like, no, but I'll pretend I don't I'm not the world's biggest Kill Bill fan

[00:56:53] But like, I got up there So actually, in honesty It was good Because you gotta get in their face You know, if you just want to Watch Mindless Violence Man And watch somebody rip off All these Hong Kong films And sure, go rank Kill Bill, man

[00:57:05] Audience goes wild And I won $5,000 The other contestants hated me Because they thought I cheated And of the other Which I didn't do Because they have monitors And I'm just I won't get into the how of it But they were also It was Shrek and Donkey

[00:57:22] Or the other two contestants Right, they were Shrek and Donkey So they didn't like the inter- But what's funny I shouldn't really talk about this There was, because this was a long time This was like 15 years ago, right? Yeah I had lost touch with everybody else

[00:57:33] Associated with this But there's one other guy The guy that had beat Is like, tangentially involved in the movie biz And I know for fact That he still holds a grudge against me Really? Because it's gotten Oh, I met this dude

[00:57:44] Like other film people have met this guy And it was like, I hate you And he's like, well, I'm on a right Because I beat him in a game show In 2014 Yeah, it's pretty much Scott Derrickson Yeah I love Scott Derrickson Have you seen the remake

[00:57:56] Of The Day of the Aristotel? No, is it good? No, it's absolutely awful But you know, he did his best And we should applaud that I like some of his movies I don't mind his movies at all Oh, they're terrible What has he made that's good

[00:58:07] Captain One with Strange Is okay It's a mystery Yeah, that one's alright And yeah, Captain Strange is alright Captain Strange is the best thing he did What's in the attic? If the movie's about what's in the attic I'm like four stars Like, you know, you're a high ceiling

[00:58:21] For a movie about something in the attic The best thing he did was Captain Strange Because it's a Kevin Feige movie You get the name wrong It's Mr. Strange, PhD Show some respect for his profile You know, we've been stranger with Before you got to Ellis

[00:58:34] So, you know That is my single favorite joke Is just saying Blank was Blankowitz before they got to Ellis Island Any goofy character name Adding on a wits You're a witty man I'm a witsy man So, yeah, game shows Game shows That's why I really identify with Melvin

[00:58:57] Can I tell you the one movie I've always wanted to see get made Has been like, you know Notoriously one of the great unmade scripts And as I've inched my way Into this industry I'm like, maybe I can Somehow get this made someday

[00:59:11] That feels sort of Melvin and Howardie to me The Press Your Luck story Well, we talked about that on the show We have, no amies I'm pretty sure we have, no amies, yeah The guy who like figured out The combination But he was very much a Melvin

[00:59:28] Dumar character Where he was like a loser Who worked like Sporotically as an ice cream truck driver I'm pretty sure we have talked about this I'm trying to build a bridge back to Melvin I just want to point out Emily Vanderwerf wrote a screenplay About that guy

[00:59:42] And it is fantastic Because there's another screenplay that I've read I would love to read that screenplay as well Well, I thought of that story And seeing this movie for the first time I was like, oh, this has just been an episode Of This American Life or something

[00:59:55] Right, right, This American Life's an episode I want to recently But you can watch the full run Of his like extra long episode Of Press Your Luck Man Yes, but it was similarly It was a guy who was like a loser Who could never hold down a job

[01:00:11] He sat at home every day And he figured out the combination of Press Your Luck So that he could never lose And he was like, I'm going to go on And I'm only going to win by this much So I keep on getting invited back

[01:00:22] And I can have the longest Ken Jennings' Ask Run And when he got there And for the first time He was winning at something And people were cheering him on He couldn't walk away And so he kept on winning and winning And winning and winning

[01:00:34] And they weren't cutting the episode And they were like, fuck, this has been going on For an hour, we'll split it up Now it's three days worth of programming And he went on for so long that in the control room They were like, he's figured it out Wow

[01:00:45] And so he got a portion of his money back But then his life is sort of After Press Your Luck is very much like Melvin in the middle of this movie He pressed his luck He pressed his luck and he made a bunch of money

[01:00:56] But he kind of never figured out what to do with it And he felt like prey to a bunch of scams And he was just sort of this guy who like You know, had his one moment of like glory And the rest of his life was just trying

[01:01:09] To find some way, some I mean it's the Easy Street thing It's beautiful that the fake game show Is called Easy Street Because it's like Melvin loves this idea of like Scooting your way in In America you could always one door away From just hitting it

[01:01:26] Well, you know, you remember King of Kong Right? The documentary about the Donkey Kong guy The bonus guy Yeah, that's another one You know, that movie is so fascinating Because there's clearly a hero and a villain Yeah If the villain wasn't in the movie

[01:01:40] You would hate the hero Totally Because his baby, his toddler His two-year-old kid Has soiled himself or herself And he's going, daddy I need a diaper change He's there playing fucking Donkey Kong Wait, I gotta finish I gotta get a kill screen Right, it's all about the juxtaposition

[01:01:57] With him against Billy Mitchell Who makes him look good But that's another like Here's another thing that's great about Melvin of Howard And then we'll go try to go through the plot As much as there is a plot Because they're individual things I want to talk about

[01:02:10] Hey, scenes Moments But it is so telling that it's like You have Dabney Coleman as like the asshole in the movie He's the judge He's the splash of cold water where you're just like Fuck you Let me watch this charming film Let everyone succeed

[01:02:25] And he's got one scene You know This movie does not spend too much time With people doubting him You know you get the little voices of dissent But that's not the world that he wants to live in He doesn't want to make a movie about the Billy Mitchell

[01:02:39] Keeping the Steve Weebies down Even when he's splitting up with his wife More than once It's still like they clearly love one another She's just gotta go And another great example The Jack Kehoe character His supervisor At the milk delivery company

[01:02:55] Is like sometimes kind of a pill to him And is other times like Kind of a likable guy And kind of relatable He's still Like yeah You're the milk man of the month But you also owe us money Like yes You know we love you

[01:03:09] But you bust a defender And when he gets up And does his performance at like The Tiki Bar Party He's like enjoying it He's laughing it No one's like a straight antagonist In this film No, there's no villains Right it's just about This is what life is like

[01:03:23] Ups and down I mean we should start At the beginning Because it is this sort of Brevura thing of He's back with Tak Fuja Modo Who does his very first movie Caged Heat Doesn't do the next four And then comes back for last embrace Yes

[01:03:38] And I feel like does a couple other Major films in between Let me look at my Starts sort of working With more substantial people Let me see what we can Comes one of the great cinematographers Of all time Absolutely, still alive Very old You know he shot

[01:03:52] Death Race 2000 Of course He shot Second unit photography On a little film called Star Wars Never heard of it Is that true? You didn't know that It is true Yes, apart from that Not much I mean he's gonna go on To shoot movies like Faris Bueller

[01:04:09] What else did he I mean obviously he shot Pulp Fiction Sons of Lambs He shot pretty much All of Demi's stuff Later on I'm making that up He didn't shoot Pulp Fiction Who shot Pulp Fiction I thought I thought it was him Am I wrong about this

[01:04:22] But he also he Does like the four Shyamalan's He does signs Yeah he does He does play Shyamalan Oh it's Andre Secula I don't know I can't remember why I thought It was Tark Fujimoto It doesn't matter Doesn't matter Never nominated for an Oscar Yeah it's weird

[01:04:38] Really stupid Despite shooting Sure Several best picture winners And nominees But this movie This is like You know the first time Demi is like totally nailed down His visual style In concert with Fujimoto Yeah Which is there is something Winsicle about it But there's nothing painterly About it

[01:04:57] It's very clean You know And it's not overly Stylized in a sort of Designed way But it is a movie That is dealing with A slightly heightened reality Yeah and has Weird music choices I mean it has Clearwater Revival Which is a cliche now

[01:05:16] But this was one of the first And has satisfaction Which I have to imagine Maybe the first time Someone's used satisfaction In a non-rolling stones movie Right but like When fortunate some comes up You're like Oh this feels different Because you can tell This is the first time

[01:05:30] Someone's used it in a movie Right where is now you be like After years of like It being in like Ford commercials Reganities Vietnam Isn't it weird though That you can sense the difference In energy of when Like even though We're living in a future

[01:05:43] Where we've seen this Dropped in too many movies That you can tell that This has the energy of This is the first time That someone's put this to Image Yeah Watch the Susie Q Creating Clearwater Revival Susie Q in Apocalypse Now Yeah Has a weird energy

[01:05:58] It just has a different There's some electricity to it But yeah Weird music choices He always makes sort of weird I mean cause yeah He you know I feel like the movie Does not have an exaggerated Color palette But then Demi will always Throw in these weird

[01:06:13] Extreme splashes of color Whether it's a piece Of set dressing Or costuming Or whatever it is But you start with these Beautiful shots out in the desert Of Robards as Howard Hughes On his motorcycle Which is thoroughly Homaged in the master Right

[01:06:30] I mean this is one of PTA's Like favorite movies of all time Yeah Yeah I mean that's why He puts Robards in PTA listen to me I mean come on I gotta say his whole Fucking name every time Paul Thomas Thomas I'm gonna say Paul in sleep

[01:06:43] Feel like I ran a mile That's why he puts Robards in Magnolia And that's why there's A whole desert biking Sequence between two men Where they're dressed Almost identical to this And the shots are so similar There's that one beautiful Shot where they're like Tracking high speed with

[01:07:01] Howard on the motorcycle And you don't understand How the camera is moving That fast Right Or they're creating the Lusion that the motorcycle Is moving faster than it is But he's always staying Kind of perfectly in frame It's just really crisp Clean, beautiful Well shot

[01:07:19] And then he wipes out Yeah And then you go to Melvin In like near pitched darkness It's another choice I love Of just like this stuff with Melvin driving is actually How dark it feels to be In a truck Yeah In the middle of the night

[01:07:36] In the middle of nowhere Where there's no civilization And no light And when they get inside When Howard gets inside It gets a little brighter But it's still like Their hair is disappearing Into the shadows Yeah It does have that Like a horror movie feel Totally

[01:07:49] Which also makes it So that there is a weird Intimacy between them Because all you can really Visually sort of handle Is their two faces Right You know, they're like The two things popping out Otherwise this like Abyss of darkness And the fact that Howard at first is

[01:08:08] So completely unamused With this guy To the point of irritation Right It's not like He gets in Howard Just like I want to Get out of here Right I'm a man of the people It's not like Immediately Melvin does Something to endear himself To him

[01:08:23] You know, it's like He's kind of being held Hostage by this guy Don't sing your song I don't want to hear it Right He doesn't even want to get Into the truck in the first Place Right He's such a fucking baby He's like bleeding on the

[01:08:35] Side of the road As an old beetle-gucey man And you know Like Melvin only finds him Because he takes a piss He happens to pull over In the right spot Where this guy is just At the absolute edge of his Range of vision With limited light

[01:08:51] He can just make out this guy And so it's a coincidence That he pulls over at the right place But it still defines him That he is so adamant About getting this guy Into his truck Because I think most people I mean, this is like A defining Melvin

[01:09:04] Like sort of save the cat thing Most people, if you tried To pick an old man off The side of the road Who was bleeding And he said no And started flailing They'd be like You know what? Fuck you It's a good question What would I do?

[01:09:16] If the guy was pushing back That hard You know, I think a lot of people Would, you want to believe But a lot of people would just go Like if he wants to die here I don't know what Right, whatever That's a good point

[01:09:27] But Melvin forces him in the truck Yeah, and forces him To sing Santa's souped up sleigh I mean that's what That's the true delight, right? Yeah And this perfect myocosm Of like Here's a guy who like Barely has two quarters To rub together He writes a completely

[01:09:42] Perfunctary Santa song And thinks this is a hundred percent Worth the investment of me Sending away my lyrics to a company That will write music for it Because this is so clearly My meal ticket To the extent that presumably Whatever deal that Rinky Den Company has

[01:10:00] Would give them like 70% of the royalties For the song But he's like I have so much money I'm gonna make off this fucking song That I gotta do it And he's so proud of this song That not only does he want to sing it

[01:10:11] But he wants to force How would you An old stranger An old bleeding stranger To sing it with him And Robars just has so much Fucking presence here It's incredible I think it's incredible work Is so good at Sort of just selling the ice Very, very subtly

[01:10:31] Starting to like crack And melt around his whole Sort of heart Yes Do you think the last scene The bookend scene is that Fantasy? I think that's real Okay I think that's real Yeah, I do The whole movie is a fantasy Oh stop In a good way

[01:10:49] I'm curious I wonder if in the script That was in the opening Oh, they shot it And then editing They were like We kind of want to end with Howard again His presence is so over Because they remember There probably would have been

[01:11:03] If Cinema Score was around in 1980 There probably would have been I thought it was gonna be Howard Hughes Totally But that poster, Melvin In brackets and Howard Yeah Do you have a favorite scene? My favorite scene is the game show That's like Electrifying I love everything about it

[01:11:23] I love how he makes It not feel Patronizing Which is sort of the magic of this movie I would say It never feels like it's looking down on Its characters Mary Whatever her name is Linda Linda She actually The shtick is that He's got the magic touch

[01:11:43] And he always knows what door to pick And then at the end She doesn't listen to him And she still wins the money And he's not mad at her In another movie He would have like beat her And taken the money Well, Jesus It's a horrible movie

[01:11:54] Well, I'm not saying this movie I'm saying No, but she's a fucking bad She showed up the man He's a dope He's a dope But he's a decent man Sure But the movie's also But then he goes and buys a boat Because he's an idiot And a hat

[01:12:06] True And he's also about Like these seemingly An innocuous, meaningless little choices That can actually change The entire direction of your life And then nothing exemplifies that better Than just three doors on a stage Yeah You know Right, that game show

[01:12:22] And the let's make ideal type game shows Which are like There's no skill whatsoever to them His pride in I always pick the right door Yeah, right You know It's total luck It's not pressurized memorizing Intuition Right, right It's a break I also love

[01:12:38] I mean, I have to imagine I don't I can't think of Any game show I have ever heard of That is like this game show Which starts out as a talent competition Right And only if the audience Is a conglomeration of two game shows

[01:12:51] Right, it's like a gong show Plus Yes, a plus Plus essentially like Deal or no deal Right But at the time Like let's make a deal Right But that sort of beauty of Like you need to have Enough sort of talent To make it to the point where

[01:13:05] Then it's arbitrary Right, it would be like If to get to the showcase show Down in The Price is Right You had to sing a song Right Bob Barker would be You have the prettiest voice Come upstairs But it is like the honest truth Of show business too

[01:13:17] Where it's like You need to have a lot of ability And a lot of And a lot of luck Look You know it's like You can be so skilled But if you're not in the right place At the right time You're Lou and Davis Yes, sure

[01:13:28] If you always pick the wrong door You're Lou and Davis Sure, he's always going to pick the wrong door But I also feel like When she starts tap dancing There's a lot of movies that would like Sort of drag out the humiliating part of it Totally

[01:13:41] Like before the turn But instead it's just kind of like a gradual Like booze to murmurs To them being into it You know what I mean? And she liked it, she loves it Exactly She never really makes fun of her Here's another thing That most movies would do

[01:13:54] She starts performing People are booing her You cut into a really, really tight close up You see her getting scared Her eyes dart over to Melvin and the audience He like mouths something like You got this Or gives her a nod And then she has like

[01:14:07] The Popeye like surge of confidence That's exactly what I'm talking about Which I would fear Yeah, yeah, right Exactly how that would work Right But it's like here she is Dancing Doing a really dorky But earnest Yes Tap dance number To the song that she was Stripping to

[01:14:22] Yes Nye, you know Five years earlier Sure And she just so thoroughly believes in herself That eventually she wins the audience over Routine does not get specifically more complicated Nor more impressive It's just persistence Yeah, and a smile Which is a good microcosm for the movie

[01:14:40] I love the kissing montage Yeah That's very good They just got married Yes And they're paying witnesses Because it's Vegas, right? They got upsold on a bunch of details I love it when the ladies like It's four dollars for the ceremony And five for the witnesses And whatever

[01:14:57] Well, there's the beautiful moment Which is They offer the veil Right Steamburgen's like We can't afford the veil And he whispers in her ear You don't know what he says But presumably says something like You know Baby, please I'm gonna take care of you Yeah I'm your man

[01:15:12] We can afford the veil Add the veil onto the tab And then he is not prepared For the 18 other charges That they have not told him about The witness charge You know all these different things So the witnesses Are these old cockers And one of them collapses

[01:15:26] Because he doesn't have any oxygen Yeah And so they're like Well, we're free for the afternoon And they just become Wedding witnesses They just got married They should be off gallivanting Right But they immediately have to Make back the money They just spent on their second wedding

[01:15:41] But the thing is They seem The characters seem Just overjoyed At these other people's weddings Yes And when they kiss You know They smooch And they get a little Is this a thing That the witnesses to this extent I mean it gets a little

[01:15:58] Like some of the dudes Are like really into Mary Steenburgen And at one point she was like Alright buddy, take it easy Her face is every time She pulls away from a guy In that montage Yeah Her face in this whole She's like Incredible performance It's almost underrated

[01:16:11] And she won an Oscar It's an amazing performance Because she's annoyed Because clearly some dude Is macking on her To use a term But she's also kind of Like she gets it She's like everybody's happy This dude's turned on by me Like It's like I can't even

[01:16:27] There's no adjective alive To describe what is going on In this sequence No It's a masterpiece It's incredible And the thing this movie does So well, especially with The Steenburgen character And it's a thing I always Love to see when movies Have the confidence to go

[01:16:40] Forward and the skill To pull it off Is sort of the use of Ellipses in its storytelling Where you will jump ahead And not know how much Time has elapsed And sort of like Mary Steenburgen Because you go from the Truck ride And the defining moment Which is

[01:17:00] Melvin giving him The loose change he has In his pocket Which feels to me Especially if you're Going to make a movie In which you fully Take Melvin at his word And believe that Howard Saw something in him That made him want to leave One-sixteenth of his

[01:17:15] Fortune to him The answer is Howard was testing him He was kind of curious What's the character This guy Doesn't have two nickels To rub together Would he give me the one You know And you go from that To him sneaking into Bed in his trailer

[01:17:32] Which there's something So evocative of someone Getting home at sunrise And getting into bed With someone who has been Sleeping for hours And is about to wake up It's such a specific Sort of mood And then, you know Thirty minutes later Maybe less She wakes up

[01:17:48] Sees the motorcycle Being repossessed And just grabs the daughter The four important stuffed animals And gets in the car And it tells you everything Which is just like This shit keeps happening And she made some sort of promise To herself where she was like

[01:18:02] The next time there's a repossession I'm leaving There's no thought You know, it's like automatic I hear the repossession truck Backing up And I'm out of here And she's gone You know, you see him Freaking out about it He wakes up He runs after her

[01:18:18] But then you cut to The two of them in a motel room An asshole running out And she's sitting there With tears streaming down her face And a black eye Right, right And you don't know what happened in between There's a lot you can infer

[01:18:32] But you don't know if this is The guy she's been with for six months Or a year Or a week How long she's been gone If this is the only relationship she's had You know, you don't know if this is an isolated incident They never mentioned you again

[01:18:44] Totally And the daughter just says I want to be back with Daddy Right And then later when she's pregnant It's like 50-50 If he's a father Totally You know, it's completely unknown But the movie doesn't want to answer that question No, it's not He doesn't ask it really

[01:18:59] Because Melvin doesn't want to answer that question Exactly He says it on the phone He's like, that better be my kid Sure But he knows if he actually gets into the nitty-gritty Of it, he's probably going to get an answer he hates

[01:19:08] So he doesn't want to take out a calendar You know And there's like Just a beautiful, beautiful piece of direction Which is Steenburgen Brings her into the bathroom Perhaps her to see her dad Is trying to assemble the sandwich as quickly as possible Before the train takes off

[01:19:27] Which is like one of these like It's a great way to test an actor But it's also a great way to make any scene more interesting Is give an actor a piece of business That they're putting 90% of their attention to While the dialogue is still important

[01:19:42] She's trying to Like, you know She's trying to give her daughter actual information on her life Right, but she's also looking for mustard 90% of the energy has been on the mustard You know And that's a moment where you're like This is this person's third movie

[01:19:55] This is a movie star Like this is an incredible actor 100% I mean that's I assume why she ran away with the Oscar Right But then you put the daughter on the train And you hard cut too And this is like when I almost started crying At this movie

[01:20:09] Just a sustained two shot Of Melvin And the critics She won everything I mean she's just like swept Yes Sustained two shot of Melvin and the daughter In the trailer Both wearing novelty sunglasses Yes And he's got a plate of bacon On top of a toaster

[01:20:26] And they're watching TV while eating breakfast And it tells you everything It tells you that This guy does not really know how to parent On his own But what he does know how to do Is make her life fun Which she needs right now

[01:20:40] Because he needs to sell to her That he's worth being with Because she's been away for so long And also he can probably tell that She's been dealing with some bullshit With her mother So here he is Presenting like why is the plate on top of the toaster

[01:20:51] Are they using that to heat the bacon Or are they just like Ignoring safety You know But also the idea of like Hey it's fun breakfast We're wearing sunglasses And watching TV And they're watching weird I'm fun dad They're watching something weird on TV too right

[01:21:05] They're watching like a Musician or something And they're kind of heckling him a little bit But it tells you everything about how this guy Is trying to reconnect with his daughter And the fact that it's working But it's probably not sustainable You know another movie that it's

[01:21:18] Like when we were talking earlier How it has a look and feel of New Hollywood It's like Alice doesn't live here anymore None of the heartache really Right None of the bad news I take a lot of Strohtsik Strohtsik I mean I guess Cause they're out in like

[01:21:35] In a part of America You don't see too much in movies Or that part of the world Trying to get the American dream And it all falling apart Well that's the other thing is like Chicken There is No there's a chicken There's a chicken

[01:21:48] It made it sound like you were calling him a chicken You chicken Who did steam virgin beat In the Oscars I can give you the list Yeah 1980 Here we go David is stretching out Kathy Moriarty in Raging Bull Great performance Great performance Eileen Brennan in Private Benjamin

[01:22:06] Great performance Oh shit Wait wait wait She would have been supporting though right Supporting Yeah this is supporting Yeah steam virgin got supporting And then two movies I've never seen Diana Scarred in Inside Moves I have seen that The Richard Donner movie With John Savage or whoever

[01:22:22] And Yves LaGuyenne in Resurrection The Ellen Burston movie What is that A woman enters the afterlife briefly After a car crash that kills her husband But she survives and finds herself possessing Strange power Who made that movie That's a Declare dead

[01:22:38] Right it's sort of like a media mask Daniel Petrie has made some good movies though He made a zillion movies back in the day I mean he made cocoon 2 Can't fuck with that That is a fascinating category though Because steam virgin and Moriarty are both the like

[01:22:51] Oh is this the next movie star There was so much buzz around Moriarty If you read all the reviews in the press at the time And then she sort of makes a couple bad career choices Has a car accident And then disappears for like 7 or 8 years

[01:23:04] If I'm in the voting booth and it's those 5 And it's Moriarty vs. Steam Virgin That's a tough call I think steam virgin's She would be my winner She'd be my winner because I'm a positive person And raging bulls it's downer I think that's part of it

[01:23:19] Is that you know My favorite line for raging bulls is Tough watch yeah Can I say it You can say anything I'm kind of a PG guy I'm like known for being family friendly Even though you hate cartoons Right that's true

[01:23:32] You know what's a good line in raging bull A movie that's like beloved by cineasts And everyone around the world Win awards On your mother's cunt Your mother's cunt Wow You remember that scene This is a office in place of business Just want to remind you that

[01:23:48] I have seen raging bull like one time It's never That would be maybe twice I like it There's no beef with it I've only seen it once too But it's such a tough watch That I so rarely am like Let me throw on the raging bull

[01:23:59] I've seen raging bull a bunch It's a good rule Do you remember when they throw him in the jail cell Yeah that's the best scene And you know what he says Your mother's cunt On your mother's cunt dance Jordan when this episode ends

[01:24:11] Ben has to walk out of the studio And sit at a desk For people who love her beauty It's a very interesting Oscar Sorry Because I never swear No David you don't mean for a long time PJ Kong man No you really do I work blue very rarely

[01:24:26] It's true actually Realizing this about you I didn't really thought about it I don't work blue The winner of that year of course Raging bull lost to Ordinary people Ordinary people Right and Jason Robards loses to Timothy Hutton That's right Classic category for Oscars

[01:24:40] I mean they were giving Robards a third Oscar A lot of people were like Fuck is this his best performance yet You read the reviews and they're like God damn it this is the best he's ever been With less than 10 minutes Sure sure No yeah Hutton is

[01:24:52] Been a category for Judd Hirsch And also nominated great performance For Judd Hirsch Hirsch might have been my winner that year But you place Hutton where he belongs But Hutton is very good Yeah but like And I feel like ordinary people The beef on it is like

[01:25:05] Oh fuck that movie It beat raging bull It's really good and it's pretty revolutionary Which people don't give a credit for Cause like that's just not a kind of movie That exists You know this sort of like Repressed therapy drama Like you know this is all new territory

[01:25:21] It's a great movie Mary Tyler Moore is Mary Tyler Moore is outrageously good Phenomenal Did I take trick? It's her best scene But um yeah I mean Raging bull but you know what We hear the other nominees Elephant man Who?

[01:25:38] Which is one of those movies where you watch it and you're like Oh yeah this is his normal one right This is like his biopic and you're like Oh no there's like ants crawling This isn't that normal Like you know it's a Lynch movie Great movie

[01:25:49] Coal Miner's daughter which is a fabulous movie That's so good That's apted right Yes Which is like just so like raw and real And sissy space Second time on the Jones are so incredible in it I'm fucking leaving on Helm's Leave on us please It's the same Incredible

[01:26:03] So good And then Tess The Polanski movie Was only for best picture Oh yeah that thing was only for like 8 Oscars It was huge That movie is great I mean I haven't seen I don't know I'm not You know after my outburst earlier

[01:26:17] I don't want to be the guy defending Polanski also No I mean yes Look A well made movie Yeah Quite a choice for him to make that film at that moment Well in retrospect Oh god Well first of all if you just saw

[01:26:29] Once by the time in the Hollywood Yeah There's the sh'day because it's true What's your name Tate Wan Sharon Tate was the one who wanted to make it And there's the scene of him Of her buying him the book Yeah And it's gorgeous Now I David

[01:26:42] Was just recently in the United Kingdom Which is an area I think you've been to once or twice Correct And I'm sorry what What Go on Jordan I'm sorry I was in Cornwall Lovely place We were talking about it And that's where a lot of tests is shot

[01:26:56] And set And rugged hills Yeah And I was thinking cliffs It wasn't shot in the United States Oh he tried to set that up But then there was some minor legal issue That prevented it And camera warden was Bad tax review

[01:27:09] Was it a minor legal issue or was it a He could have done it in Nevada Maybe Nevada But anyhow The point I'm trying to make is I was just thinking about the movie tests a lot And it is very good But it's also super long

[01:27:20] It's well over the years Yeah it's not my favorite movie It's not But it was a big deal at the time There were some other great movies that year Like The Stuntman It was an incredible movie Great Santini Another feelings movie

[01:27:34] So wait can I guess best supporting actor And then of course the fucking Empire Strikes Back Is that year which fucking is great Scott Darth Vader in it Yoda He's such a good actor Scott Darth Vader And he enjoys his social life Quite a bit

[01:27:47] He enjoys women on the younger side Cloud City So best supporting actor Best supporting actor is Hutton, Hirsch, Robards and then Michael O'Keeffe For the great Santini And John Hurt Oh cause Hurt's lead You mean in the elephant man? Yes yes he's lead Who's the

[01:28:07] They didn't nominate either of the great Elephant Man supporting performances I was gonna say that's what I was thinking It's not feel good No they nominated Mr. Joe Pesci For Raging Bull Oh a fabulous performance You know what's great about that About his performance

[01:28:19] And that there's you know this If you grew up around these parts You know a lot of Italians Italian Americans extra And they say These are mean streets if you grew up on these Mean streets as I did The mean streets of Greenwich Village

[01:28:30] If you grew up in these Raging Bulls Yes One of my favorite Italian expressions As you call somebody You're fucking Gavone And in Gavone I think just means Like slob or pig You know and You know I grew up in a neighborhood That was all Jews and Italians

[01:28:46] There was nothing else We were prejudice against I was trying to find the exact spelling Prejudice against all not like So I have a lot of Italians A lot of Jews, nothing else So I feel like I'm a little bit Italian It was a pizza bagel neighborhood

[01:29:00] Yeah yeah pizza bagels all day long And so I love that I love the turn you Gavone Oh yeah And so my mother's best friend Was like my aunt But she wasn't really my aunt And sometimes when I would come Looking like a slob She would say

[01:29:18] My mother would say You look like a Gavone So I always have great love I'm not insulting you I'm telling you the hypothetical insult My mother would give you Come on John Clean yourself up You look like a Gavone But I love ya

[01:29:30] Here let me give you a cookie She gave me cookies all the time I'm gonna start doing that kind of like My dad would call you A fucking moron right now I have nothing against you My dad would say You're acting like a real fucking prick Right

[01:29:41] So um But you never hear Gavone in the movies No In Raging Bull When Pesci is slamming Frank Vincent's head Against the car The car door He calls him a fucking Gavone There you go You know what you never hear in movies Swachim Yeah

[01:30:01] That's an even worse Italian insult The actual translation of You know coming You're fucking Swachim Swachim is the semen That stays under your foreskin Oh boy After they act afford occasionally Oh boy So you call somebody that It's no good But the Italians They're great You know

[01:30:22] You never hear anyone say In Italian movies What's that Go get your fucking shinebox I wish there was just like One movie with a good shinebox scene Frank Vincent has never been told To do that or told anyone to do that

[01:30:36] Because if you grew up in New York City You hear that on every street corner Someone telling someone else to go get their shinebox Hey uh Go get your shinebox Over here On your left When was the last time you had Your shoes shined

[01:30:50] Well I wear stupid sneakers I don't know I don't think I've ever done it Are you a big shoe shine man? Ben have you When was the last time you had your shoes shined And that's not a metaphor for some kind of sexual act You're actually like

[01:31:01] I do them myself You shine your shoes? Yeah I buy wax For my leather boots And every season I put them in the oven Warm them up No joke Then uh Put on two coats Yep Ben's very into fashion What about you Dave? Dave

[01:31:16] I don't think I've ever done it Do you do it ever? No Well it's about sustainability If you do that to your clothes It will last longer And so therefore you'll be able to keep Those boots, shoes, whatever in your life Longer It does look like such a

[01:31:30] Pleasant ritual Like anytime I'm at an airport or train station Or any place where there's sort of like A shoe shang guy Off to the side with that like High leather chair Yeah yeah you served like a king Right I'm like this like

[01:31:41] Feels like it would have the same sort of like Pleasures of a pedicure You know I was gonna play a lap dance but alright More pedicure guy I love a pedicure I got a pedicure for the first time recently My toenails are so shiny

[01:31:57] Ben keep it in and go get your fucking shine box That's funny Can you do that every time? Keep it in and go get your shine box Yeah sure and let's put it on a t-shirt Yeah right We're sawing the mugs Do you wanna play backgammon?

[01:32:10] Cause you double it in backgammon Really? Yeah that's like the power move Double it Do you have to keep it in and double it? Well it's in Could you push a chip and go like Keep it in and double it You could but it wouldn't make any sense

[01:32:28] I want to talk about Melvin and Howard Which is an American masterpiece It's also nice and I know this is just Reality But that they are constantly hovering Around the outskirts of Vegas Yes Because it is this city that represents this

[01:32:42] Like one good hand change is your life Sure You know someone can go there and remake themselves In an afternoon But you know Melvin has a work ethic But he also has a sort of It's not arrogance But he has a sort of integrity It's a resolute belief

[01:33:02] Yeah I think he just This will work and it's like When he buys the boat he's like When people see that I have a nice boat That's gonna pay out for me That's gonna be great He sticks to his guns because he

[01:33:16] It's the same thing why he wants to be Milkman of the Month He's like I get a poster of my face Like that's advertising you can't buy Like he's just so into that concept Of like you know it just takes one guy

[01:33:28] Seeing your boat and then he's like Look at how this guy is seeing it But he explains it to her He's like you don't understand This is how business works I need to have a boat in a funny little hat But when he sort of like holds up

[01:33:38] Jack Hayhoe in the office And he's like you don't understand Like I owe you this money But you can't hold that against me I need to be Milkman of the Month I'll owe you more if you need to be But don't fucking take me off that poster

[01:33:51] That's why I love this movie Is that it should be a story where It's like the guy keeps fucking You know getting in his own way Right and he keeps fixating on these things That make no sense Yeah And his wife eventually is like

[01:34:02] I can't with you anymore And she leaves him, takes the kids Right And it should be like rock bottom And then at the end of the movie He gets a check for $150 million Basically he gets a will You know right like the thing He thought would happen happens

[01:34:17] That's why the movie is so magic And then a little bit of bad Like when you're in the spotlight There's like some jerks come to the station Yeah I know Then there's the guy with the gun Yeah I don't know Of course reality is still there

[01:34:27] But I just love that that's What Demi and Bo Goldman think Like this is what that's The guy would think his story is But also it's the sort of Self-awareness he has just in that final moment When the lawyers explain to him like

[01:34:40] Look I mean today I think there are Good takeaways from it I mean I think the judge is going to do this But we can do this We can keep on fighting it I'm ready to do it That's sort of like maddening Like a lawyer outlining

[01:34:51] What the next six years of your life Are gonna look like Sure But he's like ultimately I think we have a pathway And he just sort of stares off into The middle distance And says like Noven Dumar is never gonna get $156 million Right but what's weird is that

[01:35:03] There is an opportunity in his face To make a little bit of a capitalization And make t-shirts right And there's like a t-shirt company That wants to do it And he doesn't want to do it They're talking about he's booked For interview requests He could write a book

[01:35:15] And for some reason he turns it down Which is not true in reality Because clearly he sold his life story To Goldman and Demi Totally But I think at the time That this movie was made Perhaps he was still fighting it In court Right

[01:35:30] They don't fully rule against him Until a couple years later Is that right? I think that's right 84 I mean it was He appeals it up And then he writes a book He sells the life rights at this point He had sold it

[01:35:43] But I think he probably sold it Based on the way they were Gonna frame the story Who knows if he had sold it If it was the courtroom drama That anyone else would have made But that of course would be One way to do it

[01:35:53] Where you have a courtroom And unfold every sort of piece You know like a classic Imagine if True story drama If there were still milkmen Well Cause she I grew up She gets cheese I grew up She's a cheese man In the United Kingdom What?

[01:36:12] I already talked about this Great Britain The greatest of all Britons So I guess so I guess that was the idea Yeah They united the kingdom They did unite the kingdom in 1707 And then For the United in the 1800s Didn't unite the seven I wanna sign my term

[01:36:26] No it's four Call me when you unite the seven It's more of a four I mean I guess if you like Rope in like the Channel Islands Or you know you could probably Get it up to seven Get Bermuda in there You know the Falkland Islands

[01:36:38] I don't think he got the joke You look You got Great Britain Okay You got Whales Scotland You got whales You got Ireland Call me when you got Green Lantern Green Lantern or Green Lantern Green Lantern You need him to unite the seven Otherwise you just got six

[01:36:54] To complete my point We had a milkman From Sheffordshire No that's on the place From Sheffordshire No that's on the place From Sheffordshire From Sheffordshire From Sheffordshire is a place No there was a milkman He had a weird little electric van It was filled with bottles of milk

[01:37:08] You could also get orange juice He had various other options From what kind of cow do you get Orange juice Well I don't It's not like his job was Like I only sell a thing That comes from a cat He sold bottled drinks

[01:37:19] At the end of the day Oh okay All right But no it was farm milk And you know He would like He would like leave it at your doorstep He wouldn't even knock And you would open your door And there would be the milk

[01:37:30] And then you would put the empties out And like in the empties You would put your order For your next order In a piece of paper It's coming back though Well it's The service is coming back It's how In our Trenton In Jersey A company that's piloting

[01:37:46] Basically glass containers That are refillable That you can buy different products And then they come They come take a Oh it's like That was a kid We had the seltzer guy It's uber milk It's uber milk You know didn't you have a seltzer guy

[01:38:01] Like we had a seltzer guy I to my great Did not My father had a seltzer guy I was jealous of the Households that had the seltzer guy You know that was the big The big box I know With the 12 bottles It was fantastic

[01:38:13] Why do you think I went over to Eddie Blex house Every day after school Cause he had the seltzer Eddie Eddie Can I Can I read this final line Cause I found that Which final line The final line Not the final line

[01:38:24] But the final line of the scene With Melvin and the lawyer Sure of course So the lawyers explain to him Like look we're winning But this and this And that and that I want you to just be aware The family is going to Fight this for years

[01:38:35] They're going to siphon off money Through the lawyers They don't have anything to give you All this sort of stuff And Melvin just cuts him off And says I knew all that The day I found the will And Roger says you're kidding And Melvin says

[01:38:48] Melvin Dumar's never going to see $156 million In fact he's never going to see a dime But Howard Hughes saying Melvin Dumar's song Howard Hughes saying Santa's souped up sleigh And the poeticism of that for me is He shifts into third person Because he's saying

[01:39:05] I understand what this story was I now understand What movie I've been in It's about the vision of Melvin Dumar could make $156 million at any moment That that's the promise Of the American dream But I understand now in reality That never happens There will always be some bottleneck

[01:39:23] Even if you open the right door Something's going to fuck you over Because the powers that be Are going to try to hold on To the wealth they have They won't let you just get A winning ticket like that But then he shifts to

[01:39:36] What this story was really about Was I had my victory at the beginning Of this movie and I didn't even know it The poeticism of I didn't realize that That was the sort of accomplishment I have always been waiting for That I was validated by this man

[01:39:52] Eventually having his heart melt enough To sing my stupid song Should that have been the last scene in the movie? Or were they right to do the bookend? I think it's the Titanic rule It's like you want to go back to the ship one more time

[01:40:04] You want to see him You want to see him one more time And it's such a sweet scene And the performance is so good And it's also morning It's like you've been through the whole night Of the journey and now you're going to

[01:40:16] Right, and you have a final Steam burgeon scene Where they kiss After that Even though he's married to Right But you want that sort of curtain call Her scene on the phone too When she calls him after the story is so heartbreaking

[01:40:31] Where you can see her sort of going like Should I have stayed with this guy? But also realizing if I had stayed with him It would have been for the wrong reasons I couldn't have predicted this It's going to be the same old story

[01:40:44] But more importantly she's really proud of him He didn't do anything She's really proud of him She's like, oh I'm so proud of you on TV But it's almost like she's proud of him For willingness into existence For being correct Not for doing anything

[01:40:57] For living a righteous life Yeah, yeah For giving the guy the quarter or whatever But you need kind of like Steam burgeon has been a little out of the movie Because he's onto a second marriage And you want Steam burgeon to have a curtain call

[01:41:13] And you want Melvin to have a curtain Howard to have a curtain call And even if it's like dramatically The movie is kind of over when Melvin gets to that realization You do want to sort of like close the ellipses

[01:41:25] On the two other things this movie's been about And it's also nice that it's like That final moment they show of him letting Howard drive the car Is, you know You realize probably the closest pure moment Of bonding they had on that entire trip

[01:41:43] And we weren't shown it the first time We weren't shown the one moment where they Seen totally simpatico Without any resistance It's a beautiful fucking movie Was it a box office hit? I know it was a critical hit And it was not a box office

[01:41:59] We paid four million dollars at the box office If I adjust that up Let's find out Was it a profitable film that it cost I don't think it cost much money I don't think anyone was hurt by this movie It was a single

[01:42:13] You win Oscars as a CEO It's a universal movie I believe I think it's the kind of like You have fully proven yourself as a talent Now everyone sees your value You're gonna make a hit film What did he do next? So that's what's fascinating

[01:42:29] The guy's got some juice Right after like making Five movies in five years And then this is the sex He gets people Oscars Then he spends Four years fighting with two movie stars Over a movie which I feel like

[01:42:45] He talks about as like the one that he lost Right Like the one where he Fully lost the battle And didn't get to make the movie He wanted to make was overpowered That's a whole other podcast You have a four year gap And then it's stop making sense

[01:43:01] And swing shift in the same year And then he's just back Another movie, another comedy And most of them are hits And most of them get Oscar nominations if not wins Leading us to Sons of the Lambs Then it's a crazy run Yeah, post swing shifts, something wild

[01:43:17] Somebody came to the mob And then a few years off to make Sons of the Lambs It's a big movie Yeah, big Sons of the Lambs? Yeah You got a reverse blank check I can't find a box office for this weekend Box office much as starts in 82

[01:43:31] So this will be the last one Box office, the top films in 1980 Of course So is that what you got? Boy, he treats me so well The number one box office motion picture Of 1980 is going to be Empire Strikes Back 209 million dollars What was second

[01:43:49] Cause this is always fun What movie was number two behind It's just one of those things when you're looking at the top ten Cause it's like Star Wars is only Is number two Smoking the Bandit And Return of the Jedi number two Is Terms of Endearment

[01:44:05] I love that the big Golf number two The second highest grosser of 1980 It made half of what Empire Strikes Back It's 103 million dollars It's a comedy, a workplace Comedy Very good That's funny to just think Like oh the number two movie Of the year behind Star Wars

[01:44:27] Is nine to five The only other movie that cracks 100 million dollars No one other film This film I didn't say the name Made 101 million dollars in comedy So close Big duo Is it Stir Crazy I knew it was a prior Wilder

[01:44:47] And everyone forgets that Stir Crazy was the biggest hit That was their biggest box office success I mean Yeah, I actually think my parents Took me to see Stir Crazy In 1983 December 1980 Stir Crazy is fine It's not that good No, it's fascinating that I love Gene Wilder

[01:45:07] He's one of my favorite actors ever I think he and Pryor were really good together None of those movies hold up The energy is fine And also Pryor is in two scenes of it Number four Is a comedy that we mentioned Today 83 million dollars

[01:45:25] Can't be in different context As a movie we liked I always forget airplane is 80 And not 79 80 Even though like that's one of those movies Where even though half the jokes probably Don't hold up it doesn't matter Because there are eight jokes a second

[01:45:43] What's your favorite gag in airplane Boy, that's tough What's the first one that comes to mind The one that I always used to champion That is so minor Basically cannot Very very dated Is when they're doing the montage around the world Of like other news People doing it

[01:46:03] And there's the guy The African guy is like drumming on it And then he turns through the camera and keeps drumming Is such a tiny little joke That you just sort of like always forget About like I always love those kind of airplane jokes

[01:46:15] The ones you're like oh right The joke density in that movie Is just unparalleled I don't think there's another movie with that Level of joke density My favorite joke in airplane is the drinking problem That always gets me That's the greatest recurring joke

[01:46:31] Every time he throws the drink in his face I laugh No jokes per capita I've thought about this before Then what's your favorite airplane joke Ben's texting My favorite airplane joke I don't know I haven't seen in a while I like the drinking problem It's very funny

[01:46:49] There's the actor who's playing Sort of like The homosexual character He's incredible All his moments of That chaotic energy stuff The way he plays it Goes out Every time they go back to him It's just like it's that rhythm To the music of the jokes

[01:47:11] Very fast and over the top And his character is never introduced Why is he here Who invited him His behavior is also kind of just accepted I love it The other thing that pushes the drinking problem over the edge For me I am such a sucker for repetition

[01:47:27] I find repetition so funny And the fact that they just do it So many fucking times It's one of the reasons why airplane is so good Is there are so many good bits That are like they hit it three times Or they hit it twelve times

[01:47:41] The knocking out the harry christ At the airport All these dumb jokes of the spring back A hospital what is it It's a big building of patience but that's not important right now The phone bit of like Hold the mayo When he's talking about all that stuff

[01:47:57] I mean Nielsen is just outrageous Every single thing Leslie Nielsen does in that movie She deserves a Nobel Prize We all know that Leslie Nielsen should have won Best Actor at the Academy Awards for the Naked Gun From the Falsal Police Squad

[01:48:09] Which is maybe the best comedic performance In the history of cinema Joke density in films Monty Python the Holy Grail Joke density some of them are esoteric and strange No but Holy Grail is just the same kind of thing And life of Brian

[01:48:23] Is I think a better movie But it doesn't have the same joke density I've never been fond of it for that very reason I was telling a story over here Of all the Woody Allen love and death Not his most famous but the most joke density

[01:48:35] The most early ones Just constant That and sleeper the one for every line Love and death is just Consolidating They're all great But if you were to take the first half Of the movie of what I'm about to say Joke density Raising Arizona

[01:48:55] The first 30 minutes of raising Arizona Something has just so much fun It's crammed in there and they're visual jokes Can I make my controversial argument like yours But even further out there Oh my god I'm sitting down We've all been sitting down the entire time

[01:49:09] And 30 minutes of Ishtar Are as successfully joked dense As any movie ever made Okay but number 5 Ishtar In 1980 a stir crazy airplane It made 70 million Dollars It's a sequel to I think a somewhat surprising Success Oh I know the answer The road warrior

[01:49:33] Oh shit I don't know the answer I mean not a bad guess This is actually the year of Mad Max One But is it that type of sequel Success or was the first one The bigger one Somewhat This is the kind of movie that if you took

[01:49:53] A 22 year old sat them down And said this movie existed They would stare you in the face and say like there is absolutely no way That what you're talking about is true Cannonball run 2 Is it a Burt No not Burt Is it that kind of movie star though

[01:50:09] He was a big star Probably one of the 10 most famous Hollywood Stars in history Really? I think you know it's not the bad news bear sequel but is it something like that Stupider Just keep digging down Hold on because I can get stupid

[01:50:27] But the main star returns for the sequel The sequel has a major drop off from the first one The first one made like 100 The second one made 70 He was a big star already But the movie was still a surprise He had been a big star for 20 years

[01:50:41] He'll be a big star for 30 more 40 more he is He's old man There was no bond in 80s Bar stupider It's not french connection 2 That's a comedy Smoky and the bandit 2 is number 8 You know you have a couple of Cheech and Chong's next movie

[01:50:59] I was gonna say maybe You didn't really feel Is it a comedy? Yeah like an action comedy It's an action comedy Stupid action comedy Stupid action humongous star Ben has tapped out Producer Rachel walking in Cup of coffee Perfect handoff Rachel just quickly

[01:51:25] What's the tax car some form of 1980 She just saw my stream now I'm trying to get them to guess this movie Do you know this movie Rachel? No to be fair Have you heard of this The movie that is the original Now we know it's not this

[01:51:41] It has a different title Do you think holy shit I can't believe this is a movie Starring this person and this thing Rachel's laughing Look at that reaction Rachel's face turned red Rachel's deadpan And she's busting the ump

[01:51:59] And you say that this actor had been around for 20 years So he'd been around since the 60s Sure 50s Late 50s I think He's like middle aged at this point I mean he's not a young whipper snapper It is funny that he made a movie on this subject

[01:52:13] And then it was a surprise success I put his age around 50 He's like 50 The story of the original one apparently Is like it's a script that had been sort of passed around town And this actor saw it and was just like I think it's funny let's do it

[01:52:27] And it was a big hit And then they made a sequel That was the 5th highest grossing film of 1980 Over films like Private Benjamin Commander's Daughter Blue Lagoon, Blues Brothers, Ordinary People Pop By, Big Move, Urban Cowboy The Shining Friday the 13th Was this the last film?

[01:52:49] In this series I believe so Last question Where did the first one come out? 78 So just recently They're striking while the iron is hot Is it a Boy I'm thinking about how hard Rachel laughed Can you believe this person was in a movie about this subject

[01:53:07] Somebody that everybody knows Everybody knows, iconic Rachel, okay one song To be clear I was laughing at the poster Of course but I'm trying to think of a poster That has those elements I cannot tell what the movie is about from the poster Exactly what it is

[01:53:23] Is it Oh God Part 2 Incorrect That felt close right? Yeah that would have been good But you said the guys still alive What's the initials of the star? C.E Charlie It's Clint Eastwood And of course it is Any Which Way Any Which Way You Can

[01:53:45] The sequel to Every Which Way But Loose Oh you're right Clint Eastwood pals around with an orangutan And solves crimes I feel like an asshole right now I feel like the worst dumbest person I mean Apparently he saw the script for the first one

[01:54:01] He was like it's funny we'll do it And I guarantee you that was treated like Ted Like what the fuck are you doing You're Clint Eastwood I'm gonna eat a cookie now I'm so depressed Maybe up until that point his highest grossing film Probably right up there

[01:54:15] The first one is better than the second And the first one is pretty damn good I always loved Like when I was like a kid and was trying to Like understand film history And they would do montages Clint Eastwood get some lifetime achievement award

[01:54:29] The Golden Globes or whatever and they would play the clip I'd be like oh that's like the disaster That he's embarrassed of right And my parents would be like no it was like A huge hit and he defends it still Wow

[01:54:41] He loves these like an orangutan was hilarious I was Not allowed to watch that movie Because my mother said it was too violent It's also like very sexual or isn't there a ton of nudity in that movie I feel it was the time

[01:54:53] I think you're thinking of the gauntlet The orangutan never wears pants Zing and ding ding But there is a lot of fighting bear knuckle brawl Right because it's brawl They're in downtown Fresno Maybe I should reboot that franchise What's his character name in that movie Clyde

[01:55:11] That's the orangutan The orangutan is Clyde, what's Eastwood's name in that film Let me look it up I want to be the mutt Williams of any which way Finlow Beddo Oh boy Ruth Gordon plays a character called Zinobia I mean yes of course she does

[01:55:27] I even remember him like In the 90s doing interviews and they'd be like Any chance you ever like round out the trilogy He should Clyde might be too old but I'd love to finish the story He should do it The mule should not be his last film

[01:55:41] It's definitely not his last He's already in production on a movie that will be finished in Five minutes You're telling me Clyde over Sully Sully? Well he's not in Sully I'm saying as an actor He's in Sully He's got every phrase His thumbprint Masterpiece

[01:56:01] Please this is a Sully safe zone I love Sully, you kidding me I have not ridden on an airplane Since Sully came to where I have not thought about I I've said a lot of things on this podcast That I regret, I've grown Five years of my development

[01:56:17] And that my mind and all these things Cultures changed around us I believe in told transparency But there are things I would scrub from history If I could Remember earlier when I used the C word A bunch of times could you hear that In the offices Rachel?

[01:56:33] You guys yelling? Things you'd like to scrub from your history Number one greatest embarrassment in the history Of this podcast for me is that Sully was not In my top ten that year Because I gave Tom Hanks the win For best actor and I left

[01:56:47] Sully at like eleven or twelve And that was shame And I admitted it was a masterpiece I said Sully five letters that spell America But I still said It's not worthy of making the ten What was in that year? I'm sure my top five was solid

[01:57:03] But at the very least Sully should have been Somewhere between five and ten It is my number ten And I guarantee you there are some fucking Tony respectable movies That I genuinely like less than Sully But I put in there because of the ground swell

[01:57:17] Yeah, or like some Michael Haneke movie Yeah, yeah I guarantee you There's something like that Where Sully should have been all ten spots on my list It is the movie I watched so much I've seen it five or six times I've watched it so many times

[01:57:31] It's a forced water land My in-laws who are marvelous people But are in their late 70s early 80s They come and look after our cat My wife and I when we go to places like the United Kingdom And every time we come back

[01:57:45] I see that my DVD of Sully has moved DVD and not 4K? I have it in 4K It's actually a It's not even a Blu-ray It's a screener It's a demo disc I got a Sully screener and I upgraded Because I needed full resolution

[01:58:03] I needed Sully with extended color spectrum My father-in-law One time I asked him Because I noticed that This is like on Sully move 3 And he's like, oh you watched Sully He's like, yeah They really handed it to that Sully didn't they They really gave him a hard time

[01:58:21] They really gave him a hard time They really put him through the ringer They put him through the ringer But he pulled through It was a miracle That moving Can we get serious now? We love Melvin and Howard When you guys announced Demi X amount of time

[01:58:41] Even when I think it was still in the voting For March Madness I said if Demi wins It was Demi versus who? Well it was against 31 other directors But it boiled down to eventually him and George Miller And I had no interest in George Miller

[01:58:55] I mean he's fine Road Warrior But um Thunderdom The studio is the Thunderdom I would have to toast the knowing I would have gladly accepted An invitation but I wasn't going to demand No I understand you were perfect fit for Melvin and Howard

[01:59:11] And we had a great time talking about it And we printed out a Wikipedia page for you I love this, I'm a little upset I mean I love meeting producer Rachel Producer Rachel I'm sad that Ben had to go He made me a cup of coffee

[01:59:25] Oh what a man Thank you all for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Thank you to Andrew Gooda for our social media Thank you to Lane Munkering for our theme song Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork

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[01:59:53] I mean we must be coming up on the endgame now We might be at Captain Marvel By the time this comes out Perchance Geez let me do my math here This our next episode will be Spider-Man Far From Home We'll be done We're about to end it

[02:00:11] Our end game Of talking about these movies Tune in next week for our Very illegal, elicit contraband episode On Swing Shift They gotta get their thing out They gotta book or they gotta have things My thing needs to go back in Yeah Lulu Wong muscling her way in

[02:00:59] Weaponizing our podcast To promote her movie No I mean I Definitely not also begging her to be on our podcast For 45 minutes I would like to say this I worked a little blue I feel bad You should not feel bad I don't like swearing

[02:01:19] This podcast is so blue Sometimes people mistake us for Kate Hudson And Pride Wars Okay I got the quote David You got two lines They're short First one is depends on what it is And the second one is No This does have a wild tagline

[02:01:46] If you wanted to do the really old fashioned You want me to be Robards? Yes I'm not seeing the tagline What's the tagline you got? I got this poster here Which is a It's still not a good poster It's still an arresting poster I can't deny

[02:02:08] I kinda wanna know what's going on here The DVD covers terrible Yeah I mean I get it No but it looks like that movie With Sharon Duckford and Catherine Heigl It looks like some weird old Grandpa movie Oh I see this Poor Melvin

[02:02:26] Say he lost his job as truck and his wife Then Howard Hughes left him 156 million No left him a podcast Yeah okay I'm gonna do the thing Depends on what it is and no Ready? Okay ready? Now listen buddy you wanna do me a favor

[02:02:42] Depends on what it is I host this podcast No Well you blew your cue there You were laughing too hard The whole point is that he's so Whatever He cuts them off This is your thing I wasn't prepared for this Take two