Minority Report with Joanna Robinson

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to express All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check John, don't podcast You don't have to chase me You don't have to podcast

[00:00:26] Everyone podcasts for Plotch So stupid The way he says I don't have to run, I love that I wanted to get that Everyone podcast, Fletch Well it's episode 2 of Fletchcast of course As implied there Hi everybody my name is Griffin I'm David Sims

[00:00:45] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David It's hosted by us, we are hashtag the two friends And this is a podcast where we study filmography Directors who have massive success early on And are given a series of blank checks from the bank of Hollywood

[00:00:59] To make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear Sometimes they do Yeah Sometimes they get clear This one cleared But sometimes they bounce baby This is a clear though I think this is a clear I would say financially it was a mild clear

[00:01:15] But artistically it's a Yeah, I think somewhat of a disappointment in relation to like Celestial expectations Sure People like had intergalactic expectations for what this movie was going to do And then it was terrestrial Uh-huh But a very good movie that I think is aged very well

[00:01:33] Yup, let's not say the name No never What if that's our goal is that we never say the title of the film the whole episode That would be annoying Let's see how long we can do it No I don't want to Okay

[00:01:42] This is a mini series about the films of a little guy named Stevie Spielberg See little? Oh I don't know I'm gonna look up his height Can I throw out a guess? Five eight Bingo Really? On the nail Here's the thing Short guys can spot short guys

[00:02:00] How tall is his spouse? Google tells me Kate Kepshaw Can I throw out a guess? Yeah Five nine Five seven What about Jessica Kepshaw? In this movie In this movie In this movie In this movie Little role Yeah We have a guess She's five five Jessica

[00:02:19] Kate Kepshaw of course Hermod Steven Spielberg her stepfather I believe so And this has been that episode of Family Tree Kepshaw Family Tree This is a mini series called Pardon me if you cast It's about the films of Steven Spielberg In the Dreamworks era

[00:02:38] He made his dreams work Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do Oh no We should do that every time Although this one doesn't have it Na na na na na na na Right? Oh it does but it's got an eerie Is this the strap out of the sound

[00:02:51] Or just has the weird watery logo It has it It has the sound It has the music but it's a It's creepy now It's like distorted It's ominous And today we're talking about His first of two 2002 releases True He went two for two oh two

[00:03:05] Two for two oh two Two for two oh oh two Just not while you're ahead And you're not ahead Two two But Benowitz I don't know My very uncle's name is Stuart Rebenowitz We call him two two But Benowitz And this motion picture is called Minority Report

[00:03:22] Yeah that's right And today As our guest Phenomenal So excited Flown all the way from Los Angeles As we do we always pay From the Bay Area From Northern California Northern California Really where in? Oakland Oh my lord Oak Town Do you ever hang out with

[00:03:39] What's the nickname of Oakland What do you call it I was about to say the big But then I didn't The big oak tree Oak Town Is Oak Town the town You ever hang out with Billy Bean No Should I I don't like money ball I feel like

[00:03:52] Every time I watch that I'm like I'd love to get drinks With this guy one time Maybe I'll make that My 2017 New Year's resolution That's a great one I'll match you on that Let's do it together So we can motivate each other

[00:04:03] To both get drinks with Billy Bean According to Wikipedia Bump City Is a nickname for Oakland Literally never heard that And the motto of Oakland Is love life Wait is Bump City As in like cocaine bumps? Like No this might be This might be a slightly

[00:04:16] An appropriate problematic term I hear that and I think of a bad shave You know I'm like It's a bad shave Like a bumps all over No it's an old My face is bump city Potholes Like too many potholes in Oakland Maybe Buckle your seatbelts

[00:04:30] Gonna be a bumpy ride through Oakland It was the name of Tower of Power's second album And of John Crick's book You know what You know what I'm gonna shut up Okay Join Robinson is here Hello Today from Viety Fair Oh we were still introducing her

[00:04:44] From Vanny Fair from a thousand podcasts Oh my god You want a listener? Or is it more just sort of the Joanna Robinson podcast universe? Yeah it's sort of like the MCU But they did it like with JRPU That does not roll up

[00:04:58] Tripingly off the tongue at all You're sort of an adjunct Fighting in the war room member Yeah like a Honorary chair Fighting in the war room Sure Stormers spoilers Cast of Kings Little gold men Decoding Westworld A lot Of bubbles sometimes That's it That's it Just that

[00:05:15] What show do you think Decoding Westworld Is gonna cover next? Do you have one lined up? Boom Dino Trek season two Until Westworld comes back Yes Troll hunters You just have to filter everything Through the Westworld prism You have to watch another show But pretend it takes place

[00:05:30] In the Westworld universe Let me promise you That Westworld will come up While we're talking about this movie Because I thought about it a lot While I was watching this movie Oh I did too I mean there's Yes this movie is all about Predestination

[00:05:40] And fate versus sort of Programming If you'll do something If you're told to do something And all that sort of stuff I mean it has a lot of overlap Sure Minority report Minority report is the movie Is the film Year 2002 Stevie Has AI was the year earlier

[00:05:57] That's right Was a disappointment Yeah Financially and critically Big Emotionally Psy-fi Personally for me And taken over Kubrick And now here comes This was a real event Because for years There had been this talk of like Spielberg and Cruz Want to do something together It was always nebulous

[00:06:16] There were different projects It was different things But it was always like God if you could get those two guys To make a movie together Poo Barn doors We should say The big one that they almost Made together is Rain Man Yes Spielberg was attached to Rain Man

[00:06:28] Was working on Rain Man And gave it to Barry Levenson To make last crusade Yeah And that was pre Spielberg Oscar So it was one of like I think it became this running joke That Spielberg kept moving off Of projects that then won Oscars Because there's another one

[00:06:41] Rain Man's one of them With the other one Yeah Some of their big 80s movie That he left And then until Schindler was List any time he kind of Picked a strategic Oscar picture It wasn't the right fairfair Like Color Purple Or Empire of the Sun You know

[00:06:54] Those were like his rareflops Even always I think for him Was kind of like an Oscar play You know certainly more than Like a commercial play Okay so They've been talking about Working together Here I've got some stuff Yeah Sure So the first one Was a story

[00:07:09] It was optioned by Gary Goldman In the early 90s Yep He wrote a script And the script keeps getting Moved around It was going to be made as a Sequel to Total Recall What? Yes They were going to like insert What's his name in Total Recall

[00:07:21] He has a hilarious Arnold Schwarzenegger It's a hilarious ridiculous name That would never exist in the real world Yeah Arnold Schwarzenegger No it's not hilarious It's Douglas Quaid It's almost hilarious That it's not It's too normal Right because I always think He's like John Matrix That's the thing

[00:07:36] The Indie Intensives product So yeah They were going to put John I mean it doesn't even make sense What are you He's going to be like You sure had some fun on Mars Anyway back on Earth We created pre-crime Like Anyway that was the original idea

[00:07:48] Yann de Bonte Was going to direct Because he's got executive producer credit On this one Coming off a speed That would have been extraordinary Right off a speed And then Cruz gets attached And or he at least Reads the script He gives it to Spielberg

[00:08:02] And he says there's something here Although we need to totally Gut this script Right And so Yeah because the guy There are two writers Credit on this film And one of the two writers This is his only credit ever John Cohen I believe

[00:08:14] Right and then the other one Is Scott Frank Scott Frank who wrote on out of site He's a great writer And he's the one who guts this script Marley and me He's a great writer But there's like another example That we're like Total recalls a similar thing where

[00:08:27] A dude optioned the rights to That story And like pushed up the hill For years and years Until Schwarzenegger And Verhoeven or De Laurenti One of the three latched onto it first Right And said like oh there's something Here Bought it from him Pushed him off of it

[00:08:42] He gets money off a total Total recall forever Right But like they didn't use the script at all Right And I think that was kind of The deal with this guy too Cause you have to assume Short story This dude fleshed it out Cruz looks at it Goes

[00:08:54] Interesting themes Interesting ideas Let's get a new story in here Let's get a steady hand in here Scott Frank comes in With his Wolverine claws Slashes through it Builds a new You know building And then Speely is like Speely Speely Speely We're not calling Speely I'm calling Speely

[00:09:10] I'm going to try out a couple Different hats this episode So Cruz and Speelberg take 15 points Instead of a big salary Each Each Which like this is That must be the height Of studios have to after this Be just like fuck no You can't get all the money

[00:09:25] Well I'll tell you what The height of this was And well I'm sure cover it later War of the world was The turning point War of the world is right That was the one where Like 50% of the movie And people were like Fuck this Yeah No more

[00:09:37] Anyway so you know They're going to make the movie Then Cruz has to make Mission Impossible 2 And that was a famously Long crazy schedule Because it gets Do Gray Scott out of The Wolverine role Because there's a lot running So long Best decision and actor Ever made

[00:09:50] Guys I love just Recap in early 2000s Hollywood history So John August Also does a polish Frank Darabont Does a little bit of work Interesting Although he's making The majestic But My favorite Jim Carrey movie I have never seen the majestic It's good I mean it's so

[00:10:07] The reputation is so horrible It's not good at all Griffin you're eating The loudest bagel To be fair What was loud was the bag We haven't heard the bagel yet Although God I hope it was well toasted Fingers crossed And then The films delayed So Spielberg can make

[00:10:23] AI because he's like When Kubrick dies He's like I gotta make AI So he makes AI They offer the role Of Whitworth to Matt Damon Ooh They offer Iris Hinneman To Meryl Streep Ooh What? I'm glad neither of these Came to pass I love the performers

[00:10:39] In those roles I offer Burgess to Ian McKellen Wait Meryl Streep The wife No no no In the Greenhouse Oh oh Of course They offer Agatha to Kate Blanchett Who remember in 2002 Kind of makes sense She's in a similar sphere As A smart woman She's not yet like

[00:10:56] Anointed like Great actress No I'd say Kate Blanchett was like One step ahead of Samantha Morton at that point She's still in like The missing They were neck and neck They both kind of like Samantha Morton They each have only one Oscar Nomination at the time

[00:11:09] And I was gonna say I'd say Samantha Morton Kate Blanchett were kind of In a Early mids 2000s Jake Gyllenhaal Colin Farrell kind of thing Oh were they like Interchangeable in your mind? Well there was sort of Like a thing where it's like Okay these guys both

[00:11:23] Have like A lot of expectations on them Were putting them In big blockbusters Were putting them in Dramas You know They both have conventionally Man looks But sort of character actor chops Yeah And it's just like Which one's gonna Yeah whose one's gonna go Right And finally

[00:11:39] Jenna Elfman was gonna play His wife These were like People who were in That's Dharma herself Dharma herself The inventor of the Dharma initiative Jenna Elfman But then it gets delayed So they all have to Get moved And so obviously You got Colin Farrell You got Maximus Smith

[00:11:56] You got Maximus Cidao You got Just Samantha Morton You got it This is a big bump For Colin Farrell though Wasn't it? Hold the case A bomb? No bump Oh yeah huge Huge Step up This is like Colin Farrell goes from Like The guy who's In stuff

[00:12:15] But everyone's like Give me a fucking break Like these movies are bad Like what's the What's the hype about Conn To like Oh he's in A serious movie In American Outlaws In Hearts War Oh And so I think everyone's Like oh is this Is this not a thing

[00:12:30] Oh is this not a thing And then you see Minority Prayer You're like oh this is a thing You're like aha American Outlaws I think was Shot before And I think Hearts war Yeah cause it came out They both Both those movies come out Before Minority Prayer

[00:12:42] Right I'm just saying I think I think What I meant to say is I think American Outlaws was shot Before Tigerland Cause that was the thing Where everyone was like Who's this fucking guy Oh sure And it was Jesse James Right And then that movie came out

[00:12:57] Afterwards when they were like Oh now maybe he's a star I think it was on a shelf for a while And then Bond And then I feel like Minority Report and Hearts War Were the two where they were like Okay here's a two-hander

[00:13:06] Not two-hander but he's gonna be Second-billed to a huge Pre-established movie star Right And it was that sort of Thing that Hollywood tries sometimes Where it's like Let's put him underneath a guy That America feels comfortable with Yeah And ease him in

[00:13:18] And then the recruits the following year And those are the three movies Where they were like Well phone booth is also 2002 That was the one they let him top line Yeah But the other three like Hearts War he's the lead character in For Bruce Willis is like

[00:13:27] The star he's above the title It's his face on the poster Right And then in 03 he does daredevil Right The recruit which I saw in theaters That movie is abominable The SWAT No no no And then one of the greatest Works in American cinema history The SWAT SWAT

[00:13:43] I called it the SWAT The SWAT Guys have you seen SWAT Have you seen SWAT Oh yeah Michelle Rodriguez Michelle Rodriguez Jeremy Renner Josh Charles Brian Ben Holt LL Cool J Olivia Martinez Fucking I will give you 5 million That is the whole thing No no no 100 million dollars

[00:14:02] He's the best Yeah he's great And fucking come on man Reggie Cathy Oh Reggie He's the boss He's got too much He's had too much of their shit Yeah He literally says SWAT stands for special weapons and tactics Where were your tactics out there

[00:14:17] Why is this a SWAT cast Seriously I'm obsessed with the SWAT The SWAT cast At one point Samuel Jackson rejects the character For not wanting to eat a hot dog From being on his special SWAT team He says how can I have someone who won't eat

[00:14:30] A good old fashioned American hot dog Well done In his defense I love this movie Reggie Cathy is really cranky in that movie But it's only because he's so tired Having to adopt all these Bosnian war child That's a good joke That's a good joke Bosnian war child

[00:14:44] Yeah no it's a good joke Fantastic work Yeah he was in that Okay so sorry minority report So you've got You know somebody gets this cast together He makes minority report That's the end of the story Oh what I was going to say was

[00:14:56] The production then he finally does Then he does make it and here's the movie This was the thing I wanted to say Fuck where was it Yes here okay Cause this is also talk about like Oh 15 points 15 points they wouldn't let that happen today

[00:15:09] Here's another thing that doesn't happen anymore Right Yeah This sort of like Okay Colin Farrell He's anointed He's the next guy Hollywood wants to make it happen He gets a big part in something like this What do you think Colin Farrell Who's second build in this

[00:15:24] Got paid for this movie Coming off of Tigerland And coming off of American Outlaws Which was on a shelf had bombed Knowing he had a couple big movies coming out You know What do you think he got for this film 250 grand $2.5 million What He's talked about how

[00:15:43] He got thrown into the deep end That was like a fucking thing that would happen then You know And he was on all the magazines Like it was just like He's hot Right He is fucking hot He's a great looking guy And I love Colin Farrell

[00:15:57] I think he's really talented I feel like I was coming at you Like with like Joanna He's hot Joanna he is extremely good looking Joanna he's fucking beautiful Okay So hot But I feel like they kind of tried to Gretchen Maul him

[00:16:08] And make him a thing before he was a thing Yeah no no definitely People got a little sick of him being crammed down this road But unlike Gretchen Maul He's like yeah but except I mean Gretchen Maul is talented But he's like really talented

[00:16:17] It doesn't matter what garbage movies I make I will keep coming back That's the thing I mean I think Gretchen Maul is actually better now Than she was then I think Gretchen Maul has become a pretty Interesting character actress Yeah I think Colin Farrell was always very good

[00:16:29] But I think he you know Has been very open about the fact that he was Had a lot of substance issues at the time That he was blacked out through a lot of these movies He was an alcoholic And then he yeah He spirals into other things

[00:16:40] Movies he like doesn't remember making Right And it's like I mean my favorite Colin Farrell movie Miami Vice Is the one where he's like I don't remember making the movie I went straight into rehab after making it Now I want to I've never seen it

[00:16:52] Now I want to watch it One of my favorite films of all time And just like And look for the glazed eyes He definitely I mean it works for the park Cause he definitely looks completely Cause that's Bumptown Yeah My advice is Bumptown man Yeah

[00:17:05] That movie is also shot all at night On DV video So everyone looks like they're drunk Like that's just kind of the visual style That's the point But yeah it's just like a crazy thing where I think that never works

[00:17:16] If the media tries to tell people to like someone They have to organically fall in love with someone Yeah And they saw the thing But like and still the problem Hollywood still hasn't figured out The right vehicle for him He's one of those guys where it's like

[00:17:30] First of all I think he's always better the smaller the movie is Like the lobster Yeah I think he's best maybe when he's working more With like a character part Or with a really interesting director He always gets kind of swallowed up in big movies

[00:17:43] Well like he's always good But he gets kind of lost The worst Colin Farrell parts And I'm just are things like the recruit The Winters tale Ask the dust Winters tale The fucking total recall remake Where it's like He's not He's fine as a leading man

[00:17:59] It's not about Colin Farrell at all He needs more to work with He needs like weird shit to work with Obviously his greatest role is Oh boy he's eating He just swallowed half a bagel Daredevil I hate you Hate you What do you think is his greatest role

[00:18:15] I think his best performance is in Brute Yeah I think so Not Alexander I'll stand for Alexander baby I like Alexander The two McDonough movies I took my friends All my friends in college to see Alexander They only came with me because they thought

[00:18:27] Angelina Jolie was going to be naked in the film But she was not Like look it was college people are stupid Rosario Dawson Yeah, Rosario Dawson She is that's true That did not appease them For whatever reason Anyway We watched that movie It's a tough movie

[00:18:40] Not just six times a naked No it's a full seven Yeah full seven One for every day of the week I count them We like I brought a checklist I think some of my friends did not speak to me For like over a week

[00:18:50] For taking them to see that movie I thought that happened I was a huge Australia I think Australia Australia is tough Was the one that I paid for for a long time Um the Well I will say You said he gets swallowed up in bigger movies

[00:19:03] But I thought he was really good In fantastic beats Actually Me too Although he obviously has a smaller role He's a smaller part And that movie does dirty by him I know and he should have had way more to work with there I think he's great

[00:19:14] That one interrogation scene he's phenomenal So good and he's like really good at Wand work Is that a stupid thing to say? No no no you're right It's with intention He's so good Well he's I think but I also think the Colin Farrell

[00:19:25] Has come out of the other side And has you know He's a better You know more committed actor now And I think he doesn't like Being the traditional leading man I think he always wears that a little Uncomfortable He's your We were talking about Goldblum Right

[00:19:40] He's your off-ball guy Like in Fright Night He's fantastic But he's not quite the lead Oh he's wonderful in that Oh I love Fright Night Fright Night is a special little movie Yeah but it's like What Griffin was saying about Jake Gyllenhaal That these are actually character actors

[00:19:52] Or what people say about Brad Pitt sometimes Is like they're too handsome So they get mistaken for Boring leading men Absolutely But we're We talk about Jude Law and AI Of course that happens to Jude Law Yes The difference I mean Brad Pitt's interesting Because Brad Pitt is

[00:20:05] The best looking guy in the world Who's innately kind of a character actor But most of his best performances Aren't hiding his looks Like I feel like a lot of guys Like Colin Farrell or Jake Gyllenhaal Get better if they're scruffier If they can hide behind something

[00:20:18] Like Brad Pitt needs to play Character-type people His best roles play off of his like Movie star Who are really good looking And really charismatic But kind of broken Moneyball is his best Right Up there at least Right but it's playing like The broken version

[00:20:31] Even the Ocean's movies He has to be playing someone Who wears that uncomfortably Whereas like Colin Farrell would rather Gain a bunch of weight And grow a mustache or whatever Let's talk about different movie stars Tommy Cruise Mr. C Tom Mopotha right Isn't that his name

[00:20:46] Thomas Cruise Mopotha Can I start with one counterpoint And William Mopotha in this movie Yes With some extraordinary hair Ethan Ron himself Can I just start One final thing about Colin Farrell's salary This is a point in comparison Colin Farrell in 2002 gets $2.5 million to be a supporting character

[00:21:02] Minority Report In 2010 or 2011 whatever it was You know how much Andrew Garfield got paid For playing Spider-Man Oh god Like a million No it was like $300,000 Oh my god are you serious That's the shift in movie stardom Between now and then

[00:21:15] I assume it was one of those deals Where it's like it's scales right That was always how they would get you Right it's like Yeah you only get this for this But by Amazing Spider-Man 9 You're gonna make $20 million The scale was he'd make $1 million By the last film

[00:21:26] And it's like oh sorry buddy Yeah it was like what kind of shit No it was like $3.6 million It was like Colin Farrell had an amazing agent Unbelievable And everyone was buying it at that point in time But I just think like

[00:21:37] Not for $2.5 but I'd buy that for $1 He is HAT right You said it I just pointed it to him He's like good looking I remember him in all the magazines Wearing all the jewelry And getting away with it He wore a lot of jewelry in 2002

[00:21:52] And he was dating everybody And he had like a lot of Yeah he like And like slouchy beanies I remember when he and Brittany Showed up at party together And it was like this like collision of two giant Supernova And they were a fucking mess Yeah

[00:22:07] And it was like oh he's unstoppable now There's nothing he can't do Yeah He brought her to the recruit premiere Oh my god Right that's what it was That was the big public outing And then that was like the front page Of the New York Post

[00:22:18] It was just like wait what the fuck is happening Yeah Alright Okay Tom Cruise Tommy C so he's how's he doing He's doing okay we've talked about him a lot On this podcast Yeah we don't need to do it This is one of my fav Tom Cruise performance

[00:22:30] Personally Interesting I think he's very good in this Yeah It's hot off Vanilla Sky There's some nice Vanilla Sky crossover We did a whole episode about that one That's right Yeah it's impossible to Yeah so right he's coming off of You know Eyes Wide Shot Magnolia

[00:22:44] You know so That some critical claim in Oscar nomination It's time MI2 not a good movie makes a ton of Muvvy and the money though So he's like The highest worldwide grossing film of that year And then Vanilla Sky also for a movie

[00:22:55] That is about a lucid dream Right Like makes pretty good money Yeah This was the period of time where Tom Cruise Wanted to play a worse looking version Of Tom Cruise because there is The scene where they put the drugs in his face So his muscles go slack

[00:23:08] He's very Vanilla Sky He's very Vanilla Sky It's the same kind of look And his physical performance is very similar Yeah Sure He was like Still make me look like Tom Cruise But just a kind of shittier version Of Tom Cruise Messed up Tom Cruise Yeah Tom Cruise

[00:23:22] Um You know famously when he did his collateral look Yeah He insisted to have like Pascal pictures taken Because he was like I'm not gonna look this good when I'm actually this old That was this thing Interesting And the ultimate example of Tom Cruise

[00:23:35] Bearing his looks is the first Tropic Thunder Right So He should do it more often He should He should pull Colin Farrell more often Yeah He's not doing it In the mummy No no No No He's trying to look real young Get some pepper in that hair Yeah

[00:23:51] Come on He's wearing muscles in that smaller body No he's too many And you see The muscles are spilling out a little bit You see his muscle body His weird Looks a little Nine pack In this one He's wearing weird future pants though For part of this movie

[00:24:03] At the end Like they're very billowy Or maybe that's just what Future slacks That's what the gene was In 2002 maybe Yeah maybe I don't know It's like pretty billowy This is a movie that's trying to predict The future with an intention You know it's set in the near-ish

[00:24:15] In the 2040s And it's like You know Spielberg was obsessed With like talking to all these people To be like What What's some shit that's gonna happen Like what do you predict Like let's make it happen The gap is gonna look exactly the same

[00:24:25] As it does right now Mr. Spielberg But it will talk to you But also Ben and Jerry's Will be there at the mall And it's fine That was my first reaction To watching this movie And let me just say I'd seen this movie only once before What?

[00:24:39] In the worst What are you talking about? Once before In the worst conditions possible I'm just stressed Are you ready to flip out You're gonna flip this table over When I tell you The one time I'd seen this movie Before Last night Was it like in a party

[00:24:51] Or something It's gonna like knock the bail out of you Even worse Take that big No, go ahead Even worse I watched it on a laptop At summer camp Like outdoors on a picnic table So we were like putting our hands Over the screens

[00:25:03] To fill it from the sun Like in the middle of the day Why don't you go inside I don't know Cause the camp You had to be outside Like be outside Yeah cause you're outside They sent a bunch of indoor kids to camp

[00:25:14] Yeah I want you to have a camp And they like me do sit outside But you're like But we're still gonna watch If you're gonna watch out On a fucking laptop They can't be like Alright look fine go inside You know like This didn't work

[00:25:24] It was like we watched it Like you know I hadn't seen it Somehow I missed it when it was in theaters And they were like my report And I was like oh shit I never saw that And sat on a bench

[00:25:32] And it was like A we're in the sun And B people kept on coming over And being like oh what are you watching We had to keep on like Interrupting it to have conversations with people Uh huh Maybe like catch me up Yeah

[00:25:42] And be like okay so this is A pre-crime That's Max Vonsaida No I remember My friends who went to see it at the time I was trying to riff there And I didn't have anything going yet Here's that guy from the practice He's the best

[00:25:54] This guy is gonna be on cold case Hasn't started yet Um how did No I don't think I think it was after This was her big break up For cold case They let her And then she just gets locked into that For ten years Yep forever Um

[00:26:08] I uh Well I was 13 when the movie came out Like 14 when I saw it And I think When it was sold as like a Spielberg Tom Cruise sci-fi movie And then everyone saw it And the movie's so dour and haunted And has this pallor It's very adult minded

[00:26:21] It's not as like bruising as AI Or abusive But it is like not a fun movie to watch It's like fun in that it's really well made And smart But it's not like a popcorn movie No And so I think I was like you know Uh

[00:26:36] A bunch of my friends went to see it And they were like it's kinda boring And I just there were a lot of movies I wanted to see Fucking E of Friends Right So like when I watched it on this laptop I remember being like

[00:26:45] This is really good Like this is I'm watching this the worst circumstances This is really good And then never rewatched it Why? I don't know I'm so bad at you Well I'm glad I did now Just cause it was fresh

[00:26:55] You know cause it was like a fresh experience for you now Is that what you mean I'm saying I'm glad I finally got around to watching it again In real circumstance It's a wonderful movie It's a great movie Do you think there were

[00:27:04] Like do you think people went in in 2002 And I don't remember this myself But like expecting anything Matrix-y Because it has like some matrix It does have that Yeah maybe people just expected A little more of a straight Right a straight forward like action thriller

[00:27:17] It was marketed with everybody runs Like it was marketed as this like And it is a chase movie But like then it takes this A bunch of aggressive left turns And it's long and it's very Sort of It's Spielberg-y Existential It is

[00:27:33] But also it's got all this Spielberg stuff It's got a missing kid And it's got a weird Confusing sort of confounding ending And it's long like you say Yeah and there's a lot of emotional catharsis And it's kind of And there's no like hot babe in it

[00:27:46] Like I think Samantha Morton is beautiful But like you know she's flopping around Yeah she has a heroin addicted Mutant Joe Joe Colin Farrell How many times have you talked about this Colin Farrell is high I don't understand why this isn't sticking

[00:28:02] And also this is like Yamush Kaminsky Who has already been having a lot of fun He's like guys can I just like Do the weirdest lighting shit And can I like scrub this A million times Like bleach by passive Yeah And have like crazy pools of light

[00:28:16] Like seriously there are 15 pools of light In every scene There's like a couple scenes where You know it's like Tom Cruise and his wife Or Maximus Ido and the wife And there's just like it's just His office baby Yeah it's just like bleached out with light It's crazy

[00:28:30] I love it You think Maximus Ido is just like I'll sit in this pool of light No I'm not gonna shit in this pool of light I saw this film at theaters The Halloween I grew up in London guys Humble Brack From London

[00:28:43] You sound like you're from London I forgot about that line It's a good line It's a good joke It's getting so emotional Yeah I loved it Loved it, thought it was great Uh huh And then I bought it on DVD And I watched it a million times

[00:29:01] And then I bought it on Blu-ray And I watched it a million more times I've seen this movie a million times Double Humble Brack I've seen this movie a lot I've always been a huge fan I don't know like it's not

[00:29:11] This was not a difficult one for me What about you Joanna Uh I would say I've seen it three times So I saw it when it came out And I really loved it And then I watched it a couple years ago And I do not remember why

[00:29:21] Like what inspired me Other than it's just a great movie And um Yeah and then I watched it This week And it's still a great movie I was in college When it came out So we're not gonna like wildly disagree on this one I was not in college

[00:29:34] I was 16 Yeah yeah I'm old and anyway What's up guys I'm sure you are Um but Yeah and having just been really Disappointed by Vanilla Sky Because I had a lot of expectations Love Magnolia was like First shaking for me So you were both

[00:29:50] You had cruise and crow expectations Oh my god It was like most of my crow expectations And I was devastated By Vanilla Sky I've since re-watched it And come to terms with it But uh Sure As heavily But yeah Just while I'm like Come to me something

[00:30:05] Yeah perfect You did that Don't give that look Like you're angry I said that I didn't give a look You did that You said that I got an annoying text message Oh I just texted you to say That you swallowed my common mental Okay so you

[00:30:17] But you saw it in theaters I did see it in theaters Yeah yeah yeah And um And you were in college And I was in college And I was like Home Feral is hats I think that was my main reaction But you were

[00:30:27] You were looking for cruise redemption And you found it You know right Found it Yeah This is This is near the end of I feel like Tom Cruise as A big movie star Because War of the Worlds is the end Yes It's like big movie star

[00:30:42] Without tons of baggage You know like this It's more just like Hey Tom Cruise is in a picture Well I also Let's help people talk about them Yes Hey let's go see Tom Cruise People ain't I remember this But in 2002 people Talked like old timey casters Well 2005

[00:30:54] Is the end of the Every Tom Cruise movie Makes 100 million dollars for us Mmm okay His last Spielberg movie Is the end of that And I think it's interesting That like The promise of Spielberg and Cruise Doing something together Especially after the Aborted Rain Man thing

[00:31:08] Right where it was just like Well if they can find the right project They want to do something together They talk a lot They want to do something together It was like these are two guys Who know how to give the audience What they want

[00:31:19] Like these are two guys Who deliver Proud please Proud but then the movie actually You know this movie Wasn't quite the hit everyone Was thinking it was going to be Too dark they said War of the Worlds is more successful But also is an incredibly dark Content movie

[00:31:32] How do they make Garbage They make two sci-fi movies together I'm very interested in talking about that movie Haven't seen it since it came out Very curious to see what I think of it Very creepy A disturbing movie in my opinion I remember liking half of it Mmm

[00:31:43] Like the first half Yeah And that's Dakota Fannie and who's the boy in that Justin Chadwick Oh Chadwick Yeah Goku from Dragon Ball Evolution Yeah yeah Good old Chadwin From Shameless Isn't he shameless? Yeah he's shameless right Is he still in it No well

[00:31:58] Did they get rid of him They killed him but then they didn't Did William H. Macy chop him up It's a lot Oh jeez it feels like there's a storm of spoilers in here Ohhh You gonna do it Pow Alright

[00:32:12] I just think it's interesting that they teamed up Doing sci-fi which is like You know the biggest genre In terms of like the majority of the Highest grossing films of all time Are in that genre Here's the biggest director Here's the biggest movie star

[00:32:23] And they made two sci-fi movies That are like meditations It's true You know that are haunted That are dark They're heavy Both very post 9-11 movies And are scary It's like more They're like sci-fi movies Where there is action They're both kind of chase movies You know

[00:32:37] But both of them are like Function more as horror movies In a way where it's like Are they gonna get caught It's a creeping dread You know I have a question for you Do you think that Tim Blake Nelson Thought he was making a different movie

[00:32:48] Than everyone else I'm glad we're getting to this Wait we have to get to this right now Sorry No no go ahead This is the question I want to ask Yeah Pick up the past All you get is dirty You like that You seem to like that

[00:33:01] I like that a lot This is my I'll answer your question With another question All right How fully submerged into the river of ham Was Tim Blake Nelson in this movie I was going back and forth Of like Is he bathing in it

[00:33:14] He's got his nose above water I mean above ham Because when the scene started I was like Maybe he's just sitting on the edge Of the pool He's rolled up his pant cuffs And he's dangling his legs in it But then Tom Cruise He's Tom Cruise's son

[00:33:24] And Tom Cruise challenged him To hold his breath under the river of ham And he did it He did it We talk about the river of ham a lot On this side of the story That's a Kenneth Branagh term Yeah But it was like

[00:33:35] It was a confluence of that And the pool scene And I'm with you I'm riding the waves Of the river of ham Tim Blake Nelson I think got This script And the script For Scooby Doo 2 Monsters on Leash confused You're gonna flip out them Because he's very somber

[00:33:48] In Scooby Doo 2 Monsters on Leash It's weird I think Come on All those one-scene Or two-scene characters Are doing that Right because Peter Stormare Is doing something weird But it still like Works into the movie I would say Yes Tim Blake Nelson is in a different movie

[00:34:04] He's like I don't like He's like doing Brazil Or something You know what I mean? Like he's doing something else Where he's like Everyone here is weird Because it's a future And I'm like nobody You've also got And I love Tim Blake Nelson Dream man

[00:34:18] You know like the Dreamweaver guy Like the Oh Anton The guy from God on Tech Yeah And you've got Lois Smith You've got all these like Very colorful performances Some methods going big But I think it's a good kind of big And she's got

[00:34:31] So CGI plans to help her Yeah And she says I mean just that line Where she's like You'll see what I can only describe Is the most extraordinary display Of blue objects Is one of the best Like delivered lines She's fantastic She's just spritzing her plans

[00:34:45] While she's talking Like Meryl would have been Fun and silly in that scene But no context Exactly Yeah Tim Blake Nelson is like Also like funny Like funny Tim Blake Nelson is like Also like fourth or fifth build In this movie He's got very high billing

[00:34:58] Like solo card billing Our brother You know it was a Grammy winning album baby He cited that Every time he was auditioning for a part He should have just done his A brother character It's still big But like a big I can get behind

[00:35:09] That's what I was going to say He can play very cartoon Yeah And he can play Cartoon-y successfully In tone with the movie Right But he also has given Like subtle naturalistic Performances It's not like he's a guy Who only does big He's in a big face

[00:35:22] Cause he's in the good girl Right You see he's digging that one When did you do Cherish? Cherish That's one of my favorites Tim Blake Nelson I have never seen that movie I know that way That is the same year as well 2002 That's like a house arrest movie

[00:35:34] With what's her name Robin Tunney Robin Tunney Yeah she's under house arrest And he services her equipment I have never heard of this movie It's really good I really like it You know He's also He's in holes the next year We should say Oh A classic Shia joint

[00:35:49] A classic Shia He does Scooby-Doo two monsters And Lee Chun 2004 That is correct He does And I was thinking of a big Tim Blake Nelson performance But now I can't even find that No I mean like You are right that there are Occasional weird

[00:36:01] I would say Brazil-esque moments Like the mole on Peter Starr-Mair's assistant It's big You know like It's literally a big mole But it's also like a big choice You know so like And even just that Like setup of like Yeah She's stunningly beautiful I know toilet flush

[00:36:15] Big mole We're jumping all around Okay I'm gonna get us on track Let's start at the beginning Of the movie Because the opening of this movie Is fantastic The like opening set piece Of the movie Agreed The first 20 minutes or so What's the name of that guy?

[00:36:28] The guy from who was on Ellen The Ellen show His name Fuck I know his name Fuck He's like poor man's Mark Lin Baker No it's a funny The guy who plays the No I know who it is God damn it What the hell is his name

[00:36:41] Air gross Oh okay I feel so good I got that right Now let me see if I'm right I'm pretty sure Yeah Air gross He plays Poor man's Mark Lin Baker Ouch This movie does a really good job Of just like Okay there's the central conceit

[00:36:57] To this movie Right there's this technology That they're gonna have to Explain to you Yeah And Murder Right Yeah murder is the technology This movie presupposes That murder is a thing That people can do to each other No but His name is Howard Marx Right that's the character

[00:37:13] Oh yeah It's a really good active Way of explaining the rules Of this entire universe Definitely And what this movie is gonna deal with You see it in action In the tech Can I say I can get behind Every single element of the tech

[00:37:24] Except for the snooker balls You don't like those balls No I don't like them balls I have a question about the balls I don't like how they clump Clackin' down Like engraved I love that they're wood Yeah they're windballs engraved Cause it's the grain Cause the grain is

[00:37:36] You can't fake the grain Like he says that Yeah McDonough McDonough says that Every grain is unique Whatever Very artisanal Yeah it's true Hey man look I would be more into it If they were obviously Real wooden balls the whole time But they're CG at the beginning there

[00:37:51] When they're getting like laser cut Yeah And I wish you know I wish they had some very I don't know about the ball technology Very solitude CG I would What is this Groot Is this that That Groot fellow the kids are so crazy about Kids

[00:38:05] I worked on the street Kids talk about this Groot They're saying I am Groot You are Groot She is Groot I am confused is what I am Hi All this Groot talk I do like that there's the whole Witness aspect You have to have What a judge And

[00:38:21] Yeah me too There's the judge and a DA And a DA Yeah he does the whole routine With them Yes I will verify And then he does the hand stuff That everyone loves And still does And it's amazing He's better at it Than Colin Farrell

[00:38:33] Yo I do like though That he seems like a maestro Was Colin Farrell Still kind of figuring it out Right Colin Farrell is doing too many finger guns Like you have that one shot Where Tom Cruise's finger guns Turn into like The vision of him holding the gun

[00:38:46] Which is cool But Colin Farrell is like Just doing finger guns I'm like nobody you gotta Yeah maestro it You gotta maestro it baby I'm realizing I can't do my Impression on a podcast No but no but I'm seeing Joanne's hand For the listeners at home

[00:38:57] Jo is killing it No I do think This was a major thought I had watching this movie Is people always refer to that As the minority report thing When people do the screen Yeah Right It's basically You know the sort of pinching To zoom

[00:39:13] You know kind of like swiping things around I mean like again this is part of the future tech Some of this stuff is off But this is not This is on But even the pinching to zoom Shit like now exists in our technology

[00:39:22] But then certainly like the screens Floating around you shit Has been 5 million movies since then Right And I don't even think this was The first one to do it I think this was the one to realize That it best on this kind of scale And integrate that fully

[00:39:33] But also to make it something That's not boring To make it this active thing That he's doing Even though it could be just someone Sitting at a computer and like Clicking on images right Like that's why it's a good idea Yeah

[00:39:44] And that's what I was going to say Is I think the major testament to this movie Is that everyone still goes like Oh like Tom Cruise and minority report When it's like every fucking Marvel movie Has this now All the computer screens and Marvel Marvel movies still like

[00:39:55] You know beep beep beep And then a fucking like living hologram With a consciousness zaps into But then also you get a lot of Ryder Dine Jr. like Waving shit in the air Yeah But like Tom Cruise is so fucking On point doing this right

[00:40:07] And the movie just really is like Interested in all this technology I mean And Tony Stark even does it sometimes To like classical music right Or like pop or whatever Yeah But like You're right that Tom Cruise does Sorry Does it better than everyone

[00:40:20] Like it's always going to be referred to As the minority report thing For decades I think And I think it speaks to a thing This movie does very well Which is we've talked a lot About a lot of different science fiction films On this podcast

[00:40:34] But as we have delineated A lot of times those films are Technically kind of more space operas Right They're like fancy films They're not trying too hard to be real Sci-fi trap This is very much a sci-fi movie This is an if this then what Kind of premise

[00:40:48] Hinging on technology And I think the movie has An approach to that from the top down Which aside from the central conceit Of what if someone could predict the crime What does that mean this and that I think the way every technology Works in this movie

[00:40:59] It's clear how much thought went into it But the best part is Other than like the stupid Wood grain on the balls thing Like they don't often over Explain the tech Which I love Like with the haloing And the sick sticks They don't

[00:41:12] They're just like use your sick stick And then someone gets sick And they're like well I get what that does You know but like no one's like Well here is a sick stick And this is the halo And that's what that does

[00:41:19] Well and the way this movie depicts Advertising and the way it uses that As part of the plot Intention and everything And the eye scan Is amazing but it is like It's just kind of background It just shows you the world And how it exists Right

[00:41:31] And you're able to pick up on it Because it's all intuitive It's not people sitting in a room In blue sky and being like What would be cool if this Fucking existed It's going like what path are we on Like what's the height Of what's gonna happen

[00:41:41] So when it happens in the movie You're like oh yeah that makes sense Yeah and then you know I'm visiting New York from From Bumtown And I walked through the Oculus And also just being in Times Square And you're like when I was walking Through the Oculus

[00:41:57] Which is you know this new Sort of thing obviously you guys know I'm sort of explaining to people Don't live here like Near the World Trade Center It's just screen after screen After screen of advertising And the only name it's missing Is being like welcome back Joanna

[00:42:09] Hey Joanna how's that sweater set Yeah we heard you cracked your iPhone screen Would you like a new one I did I do But it's like you look at how much Oh no how bad No it's pretty bad She got a big one like me

[00:42:20] Look I got a big one Oh hey I did Ah big Who do you think you are Producer Ben Who? The Ben Deucer Get him in here Producer Ben We haven't talked to him The poet Loria Ben Deucer Mr. Hosidow The fuck master He's not Professor Crispy No

[00:42:38] He is if you check the Nameplate on his door It does say fart detective No it doesn't Yes it does Well I'm not taking cases I'm not saying you are fart detective I'm saying it says that on your door And even if you're not Working right now

[00:42:51] Ben true or false It says that on your office door Griffin has heard it out It does say it on my door Alright yes okay He's refining his phone Griffin just gave me a real Like who me Like a real gilly look I'm wiggling my eyebrows now Gilly

[00:43:09] What a dumb sketch Yeah it's a bad Bad character Bad character They did 40 times Yeah it lodged in my brain But they wore you down due to repetition They kind of knew Like at a certain point It's not going to be funny

[00:43:23] But it's going to have the rhythms Of something that's funny Because you know how hard You know I'll say When Wigg came back And she did not gilly But the um You know that Candle lady The surprise party one No no the Oh the password

[00:43:35] Password yeah whatever the fuck It's the game show one The game show one I was like Oh Christ this one But then like I was like No this is funny Because I haven't seen it in four years Like that's okay That was the problem

[00:43:45] She did all of her characters Every episode So minority airports No no well Ben Hosley Producer Ben Ben hi Ben Hey guys Cause you're new to the show I just want you to know That Ben has graduated To certain titles Of the course of different mini series

[00:43:57] This is true Such as Kylo, Ben Producer Ben Konobe Ben say Ben Aitramalan Ben say Ben anything And T Ben thousand Ailey Benz Ailey Benz baby Hosley LaVista baby was suggested No thank you Ailey Benz Ailey Benz Ben Hosley ladies and gentlemen Hey guys I mean

[00:44:13] I didn't chime in cause I was enjoying that conversation Oh that's good Also because you guys Are so much more insightful than me I will agree with you though Joe I hated those stupid wooden Balls Thank you What about when Neil McDonough Determines you know

[00:44:30] Sorry demonstrates a predestination Where I roll in the ball That's cool That's cool I thought Cruz did that Cruz does it Who ever the fuck does it Look guys What if it was a snow globe instead You want them to make a full snow globe

[00:44:45] You mean every time there's a murder They have to make a new And like inject it with a new And it's a little miniature scene Of where the murder happens That would be amazing If they had to figure out the murder From a snow globe

[00:44:57] And they had to like shake it And be like What about the time it was done The murder would be over I mean if you're really gonna Do a snow globe right With the level of detail and care And thoughts Which I have become accustomed Right

[00:45:09] We have standards We're grown ups now We want real fucking snow globes I want a snow globe that's Tell me a real story You know Have you guys ever broken a snow globe When you were kids And then getting in trouble No Were you replicating That sounds traumatic

[00:45:23] It was just like The snow globe broke And weird goo came out of it Yeah it's not water It's not water It's upsetting goo Yeah I do like the time that That Tom Cruise sort of like Snatches the ball that has His name on it

[00:45:35] And distracted Steve Harris By being like Go get cake Can I get some cake there Can I get some cake It's also It's a very labored scene Cause he's like You know How much you go get me Some of that cake That thing He's like Yeah

[00:45:50] I'll give some for me myself I'll get some cake too Who doesn't like cake Steve Harris makes a real Meal out of his like Half a dozen What does he do That doesn't lie But there's also the later At the end of the movie When Max von Sider

[00:46:01] Was at that big celebration They also have like A table of champagne In the control room too Cause they're like We get to celebrate too Even though we're not wearing black dye Yeah Right it's It's all cake and champagne At pre-crime But what if Max von Sider

[00:46:13] Decides to come in and murder With a ceremonial golden weapon And they're in trouble They're all drunk Then they're Yeah Then they got real problems Okay so We see this opening scene Of him Solving the crime That Howard Marks murder Griffin you okay there I'm doing great

[00:46:28] I just I'm making plans for after that But it's not You're fucking photo-way Um I love this scene Guys it's great It's great I mean we're done Talking about this scene I guess I don't know Yeah I mean it's hard to describe But it's

[00:46:41] It just sets up the Concept of the movie You see one of these pre-crimes And them stopping it In action It's the first like 15 minutes of the movie Is they You know We got these three pre-cogs The children of heroin I'm sorry Neurowin addicts Neurowin It's breast-up

[00:46:57] A very easy version of heroin Is that what it is Yeah It's like you know a heroin You have to inject it It's like oh it's all come This one it's just You know You can whiff it Yeah It'll be a whiff It'll suck it in your mouth

[00:47:10] That little whiff dispenser Is the It seems overly complicated It is a little weird Yeah What's the movie where they have It looks like the whiffer And they suck it And then it lines their lungs So they can breathe underwater Do you know what I'm talking about?

[00:47:23] Not Harry Potter No There's some movie where That's the sci-fi technology It's like a recent movie And it looked exactly like The whiffer device they have And they go like And they go like great Now your lungs are lined You can breathe underwater

[00:47:35] No idea what you're talking about We gotta move on I'm gonna figure it out Okay Part detective on the case So but this is a good Yeah There's Colin Farrell's there too While this is all happening So it's getting explained to him But really quickly That's a clever

[00:47:47] It's very clever You know like we're getting What the vague idea is But also it's a fun action scene Well and I understand It's kids movies so the rules Are different But look at how like It's a kids movie Listen to the counterpoint I'm about to present

[00:47:59] Oh I see The rules are different And they have to make it More accessible But like inside out Has to have a lot of narration In the first 10, 15 minutes To clean all the technologies Hey this is Yeah Garbage Island Which there are Overlaps in it's a

[00:48:12] Ball based rolling screen system He's a ball based system True simpler console But it's a little bit Simpler console though Yes You know but it's like Those are more like bowling balls Unless like snicker balls Yeah those are big Those are some big clackers Well then

[00:48:25] There could be some big clackers They're probably the same size balls It's just like They're just tiny Oh that's true They're just tiny people Oh that's true That's true In fact they're probably like marble That's what you're saying Because they're very tiny Well they're probably tinier

[00:48:38] Because they've got to be in your head Think about how many you've got To fit in there How we doing guys We're doing great We're doing really well I think we cleared the first scene Alright My point is like Inside Out has to have her

[00:48:48] Like clearly explain it Because it's also for children But this movie has like A similar kind of setup Where it's like We need to understand What's going on in the world outside How they relate to it What the technology is How all of it works

[00:48:58] And we just see it in fucking action They got the three pre-cogs Daniel London is Maybe sexually invested In all three of them But he's got them in a tank They hook him up And he watches the screen And he does finger shit

[00:49:10] And then they see the crime And then they have to reverse engineer from there Where's this guy How do we find that Cool, exciting Great sci-fi premise Cool take down Where they have to figure out It's a red ball So it's like It's about to happen

[00:49:23] And they catch him Just in time And you also see Oh, Tom Cruise is The fucking best at this You see But you're also kind of like Wait a second This is kind of weird Like he definitely was Going to kill his wife But you're also like

[00:49:36] He didn't do it And like They drag him out With the halo And I don't know Moral quandary I'm a real hand-scratcher this one I just scratched my head Mm-hmm So then And then we chill out for a second We'll call him Farrell Sort of more Obviously

[00:49:53] Is the antagonist Right, he's like Yeah So anyway I'm here to kind of like Bust you guys open Because If this is going national You know Doing one of my favorite things An actor can do On screen Shoe gun Shoe gun

[00:50:07] Were you gonna say wearing a great suit I was gonna say Wearing a middle mustache He doesn't fully commit to the stash It's true It is a middle stash He also wears a cross Yeah Or it's like a Michael, like a medallion That he kisses

[00:50:20] I didn't like that That's the one Colin Farrell thing I didn't like Because he has to like He doesn't turn into chase scene During like a fist fight On top of a card Yeah Bacteries He's like I'm about to wail on Tom Cruise

[00:50:31] But first let me kiss my medallion Amen Um Here's the question for you So I was watching it And I was like This accent's really weird in this Because it's mostly American But then he's got these Irish hint Infections And then they have that one line

[00:50:43] Where he talks about his father Being murdered outside of their church In Dublin Yeah He's like an Irish immigrant I guess But that must have been rewritten After they cast him And he was like Hey, I think I got the accent Like 95% down And they're like

[00:50:55] And this says like third Except it's turd And you're like Oh, okay Right It's like one out of every 400 words Is like very Irish And they clear like Don't worry We'll put one line in there To make it clear you grew up In both countries

[00:51:07] Can wave that away Yeah I'm from Europe and London I don't know if you knew that You never saw it guys Love that Colin Farrell One day I'll interview him But yeah If you're one of my I'd really love to Just sit down

[00:51:18] And get into it with him Chewing gum which I love He's chewing gum It's a very active decision Yeah And I always like it In performances It really works in this performance Because he makes him Seem like a real jerk Well, that's That's the character choice It is

[00:51:32] You take your fucking gum out You're in the pre-cog temple Right It's a really good Coated way to be like He does that Yeah A really good pre-coded way Yeah That kind of be like Oh, this guy sucks This guy's a jerk

[00:51:44] And he thinks he's better than everything Yeah You know, you get it from the first second Right He's the new guy And he's not so sure about This pre-crime stuff No, I mean He's got a suspicion As he says He's like you're kind of Resting people who have

[00:51:57] Committed broken no law Right Like don't you ever worry About that That kind of conversation Gets played out kind of simply Tunkers rose the ball It goes why'd he catch it Because it was going to fall How do you know it was All because you caught it

[00:52:08] This and that And then I don't know about this Pre-crime thing Freaks me out a little bit I'm a meat and potatoes cop Also who's this grout The kids keep talking about He is worked up about that Really? He just doesn't understand it 2048 We'd be on what like

[00:52:23] Group 8 Right The grout's been us Yeah Yeah, Grout 8 still grout Grout meets the wolf man Too Has come out Sure He's not angry about it He hasn't disliked grout He's just genuinely like I don't know The grout thing Yeah But so that's now our main players

[00:52:40] And then Max Fonsaito Max Fonsaito who plays Sorry let me get his character name Plays the role of Max Fonsaito He is He's a father of Pre-crime Lamar Burgess And it is obviously Spielberg was just like Max like please Do whatever you want to Do the thing

[00:52:57] I think he's really good though He's like He's like to the Max He's really He's like Yes In like the best way It's another thing where you're like Why is the director of Pre-crime In Washington DC Like Swedish Like a Swedish man Like the most Swedish

[00:53:11] You're just like It's fine It is fine You're just I guess You know he's so The eyes of the nation I can't do his voice I wish I could do his voice You did a really good Impression of him as Lord Santeca When we were covering Force Awakens

[00:53:25] What's a I literally just rewatched the first There was the line he says To Kylo Ren that you did And you did it so well That you actually Asked me to give you credit on Mike Something far worse has happened to you I can't There's something like

[00:53:37] At the time it was really good Yeah What else is he saying This will begin to make things right Make things right So he really hits the right This movie Here are two main thoughts I had watching this film Okay One God, Max Onside

[00:53:50] I was so fucking old Yeah Because this movie was 14 years ago Yeah, and he basically looks the same He looks exactly the same Right And that was like That's the joke everyone makes Is that like The thing that you do Makes us that like

[00:54:02] The thing that kind of fucked up his career Was he did the exercise And he was playing like 30 years older than he was And the make-up was so convincing And he had such authority That everyone already assumed He was 80 Yeah And he's been 80 for like 50 years

[00:54:13] How old do you think Max Onside Was when he made this movie When he made this movie Yeah I think 72 73 Damn, you're good He's now 87 I didn't know you had this Skill Of height age guessing I'm good at numbers Only when they relate to movies

[00:54:29] Box office, heights, ages I can figure out Cap shaws Right But I can't figure out the tip On a check Cap shaws I can figure out Cap shaws are my wheelhouse I can do two What's your number two My number two point is

[00:54:42] God Tom Cruise looks so fucking young in this Because I remember seeing this movie And it was like Okay, Tom Cruise is like What he Is like 39 in this maybe That's a good question I'll look that up too He might be a little older than that

[00:54:54] He is 54 now So he would have been You know, about 40 Okay Yeah He's like edging on 40 Coming up on 40 And this was a point where it's like I always kind of, you know Track people in these terms Of how many decades they've been In movies for You know

[00:55:12] Rather than like how many years They've been doing it I think how many decades You're able to cross over into Is interesting because The cultural shifts happen in these decades So he was in like his third decade Of being Right, a big movie star So at that point

[00:55:24] It's like you're kind of Graduating to being An elder statesman You know Not like You know, an oldie But like You're a steady hand You're trusted You've had people grow up with you You have people in different age granges With different relationships with you Age granges? Age granges

[00:55:40] Which is my term for Tom Cruise fans The age granges It's like the Grange on the Wood You can't fake it Yeah, exactly Yeah Boy Thank you Joe Five comedy points It's really fucking hot in here David's pushing the LCD screen Of The thermostat That's just a prop

[00:55:59] The off-thermostat There's like nothing on this screen Nothing's on this screen instead Are you saying that like In 2002 When you see Tom Cruise Cruising around in Minority Report You did not expect him to be Jack Reachin' around in like You know, over a decade later

[00:56:11] That he's still doing this It's true Yes Because when you like I said When you see collateral You're like right Tom Cruise will age He will get older And that's only two years after that He'll start to slide into Like slightly more Like maybe supporting roles

[00:56:23] Or grown-up roles He's about grief stuff His happy outcome And now he's just decided to be like No, just like throw me out of planes Until I die He's like forget about time I have mastered time And like this was the first sci-fi movie

[00:56:36] He didn't even help me But I mean he's having a Sorry, the first sci-fi movie Yeah, sure We're just saying he's having A good run right now Yeah, but also his life Is like all fucked up It's weird Yeah I don't know man

[00:56:48] He doesn't see his kid anymore And like you're all this dark shit Love the Mission Impossible movies We love them Excuse me, you just entered The Mission Impossible Temple Apart from two obviously Two is like So we're like the Mission Impossible pre-cogs Is that what you're saying?

[00:57:01] Yeah, I got it Joe, your mission if you choose to accept Is to love Mission Impossible As much as we do What's your fave? Uh A hot debate on this podcast It's either First impression Just give What is your heart signal? No, go pro Go pro, go protocol

[00:57:14] Goddamn it Is yours a recognition? Yeah Is that the one that's tied with you? Okay I thought I was gonna win that one Uh Has anyone talked about that? Have you talked about this? That on Westworld Which is produced by JJ Abrams Yeah The name of like

[00:57:27] The Savage Tribe Is Ghost Nation Which is a combination of Rogue Nation Yes, you've talked about that? I mean I don't know if I've talked about it publicly I've had internal debates about it Okay Am I blowing up your spot By forcing you to No Acknowledge this publicly

[00:57:40] Please, please always do Let me tell you the part of I mean I know we're going linearly But hey what's time anyway Hell's ya The part of Minority Report That made me think of Westworld the most Was when they take Agatha out of the tank

[00:57:51] And she's freaking out And she goes is it now? Love that It's such a good moment But it's like I was like Yes this is all happening right now She's like I'm sick of the future And you feel for her And she's so good

[00:58:05] And I was just thinking a lot about Evan Rachel Wood Like freaking out about time In Westworld Spoiler for Westworld Mm-hmm Anyway Spoiler for Westworld The season Yeah You're not watching You're behind Well also this is going to post in February Oh Not even like March I think

[00:58:22] Oh really Of 2018 Oh god I'll stop making topical jokes there No no no no no no Am I making an example of jokes? No you haven't and also We love out of date capsules It's a reflection of a simpler time Before Trump was Yeah

[00:58:35] No but it is interesting because Believe me There's some apps that post it post What it that way Cruz Third You know decade of being a movie star But Mission Impossible was his action franchise Mostly did dramas This was his first sci-fi movie

[00:58:49] And now he mostly does sci-fi shit Which is crazy It's funny yeah He didn't actually do a lot of heavy genre stuff Before this Right and so I think of like sci-fi Tom Cruise As being this kind of broken down Tom Cruise

[00:59:00] Where he's got the weight of clearly like His life Him trying to win back public opinion And also Cruz now has these like bags under his eyes He's aged very well I wish he had more salt and pepper in the hair

[00:59:11] But he's let some lines come into his face That make him look a little more haunted Knowing that this is a haunted Spielberg sci-fi movie I in my mind I think had like When I replayed the scenes from the sun bleached You know laptop screen

[00:59:24] From this movie had aged him to look closer To current Tom Cruise Like oblivion Tom Cruise Yeah it was like it's him in that zone And then I watched this and I was like God that's a fresh face Right he's like really broken up about his son

[00:59:36] And his wife His estranged wife And you're like Too fresh raised Tommy boy He's so boyish in this Yeah Too young Tommy boy I didn't even think it But just visually It's so good you guys When he is looking at like the hologram of his son

[00:59:49] And staying the lines along with the video Yeah That's It's great It's great So that's set up early on That he is a dude who lost his son Before pre crime was created He is very haunted by it It led to the dissolution of his marriage

[01:00:04] And a real M. Night Shyamalan style plot Point And he's become a High functioning drug addict As a way of coping with this Also, what drives his pre-crime obsession right that he doesn't he loves the idea of

[01:00:20] Creating a world where no one will ever have to go through which are you seeing this time? Yeah and Maxon side out is the the guy the police chief the mayor of pre-crime and

[01:00:36] They they got kind of a father-son relationship. They're very close. Yeah, so though it is maybe a patronizing relief In a way, right? Yeah, there's you know, he really Lamar really like lets him off

[01:00:47] And I think partly as bench we eventually realize like he's kind of it's sort of part of Lamar's kind of bag of tricks to sort of keep His own grassland power. So I I don't know. I'd forgotten how I did that to Jenny when really yes

[01:00:59] How quickly he gets Pegged with the crime considering the first 15 minutes is one No, it's it's first 15 minutes is that and then the next 15 is just you know

[01:01:08] Maybe just laying out the stuff we just talked about but then he's back at work and hey john anderton's gonna kill leo crow Right, and that's like minute 30. He's gonna kill mike binder Yeah There's so many jokes you almost just made Here's here's the what i'm gonna make

[01:01:25] It's a great choice because it makes him a very sympathetic relatable character because we all watch tom cruise and we go I mean, I've been there. I've wanted to kill mike binder before I know what this guy is

[01:01:35] Going I've been there in the room with the loaded gun. We've all thought about killing mike. We've all thought about all right now This is we're kidding guys. It's a joke. You had a blah blah blah blah. Yeah, uh rain over me is really terrible

[01:01:45] Yadda yadda yadda black and white though Yeah, I haven't seen that one. Um paid for by kevin cosme. So john Johnny goes on the run goes on the run and uh, why why because this one's personal Everybody Runs um, but I do like that there's not even a

[01:02:06] Discussion because they're you know They can't really be like because they believe so solidly in pre crime. That's the thing. It's like Came up. Sorry buddy and like I like that. I like how the temple miters like I always liked a chief

[01:02:18] So i'll give you a few minutes, right? You know, yeah They all they all still like him like maybe not uh the guy who's played by patrick capatrice Yeah, that one guy but everyone else is like the chief like they so love their loyal to the chief

[01:02:31] But at the same time it's like if your name comes up that's a halo on you Like that's kind of the end of there's no trial like it's just well and then another master stroke

[01:02:40] If this movie is that the film is set during this kind of uh in the um The lead up to a major vote that's gonna happen about There's gonna be like a national referendum on pre right? It's like a big brexit-y issue where everyone's

[01:02:55] Well, that's my call in the barrels there to sort of audit it from the doj Right, but it means that like more than ever the people who are working in pre crime Are really strong-minded about the fact that it is a fair ethical thing

[01:03:09] And you have that call in feral scene where they roll the ball and they all kind of explain it to Tom cruise most of all. Yeah, so and the idea is murder, right?

[01:03:16] It's it damages the metaphysics of our society or whatever there is no yeah, what was that? That's how they explain it. That's why they see murder. Yeah. No conferos like Why doesn't it ping rapers or like whatever suicide and they're like yeah, it's murder

[01:03:31] Metaphysical damage the metaphysical tissue or something anyway. Yeah, the life already. It's that and shoplifting are the only two that the pre cogs see They see a guy at the virgin megastore trying to Lift the new corn album

[01:03:44] And they're like let's hold that one until we find another murder. So he gets in his car His maglev car by the way everyone drives a maglev car now. Yeah, well because he just knows he goes

[01:03:53] I know exactly what they're gonna do. I've been on the other side of this My only way around this is to prove I i'm seeing this footage I don't know this fucking guy is I don't know why I would kill him

[01:04:02] So I just got to wait this out in a way, right? Actually, I have to not kill him right like if I can not kill him at the time They say I'm gonna kill him if I can make it past that then I'm then I'm fucking good

[01:04:12] Sure, and of course part of the idea that is introduced right away But is more explored later is like he's the first person to see his own right crime

[01:04:21] Right and does that make a difference? You know what you're gonna do does I give you the opportunity to not do it? um, and he makes the rookie mistake of Calling max on cno at every turn to be like i'm doing this now

[01:04:33] Calls him a lot. This is my next move But once again he really puts a lot of faith in like puts a lot of eggs in the buntsy dough basket

[01:04:40] But once again, this is what makes him a relatable character because I know every time I'm on the cusp of a big life decision I call mvs. That's who I call I call max And I go like sightie. I just I don't know Exciting. Yeah mvs is like

[01:04:54] Batman v superman in my head right now. I love it. I love it. Who's an m in the dc? Univer I just carry on. I'm sorry shut up. Shut up, david metallo. Oh, yeah metallo v superman. Yeah, I mean that will probably Max fancied out though

[01:05:09] Um, yeah, he calls them way too much. I mean this movie does No, no, I mean like it's believable because this is his mentor This is the one guy who can probably help him. This is his dad figure

[01:05:18] He's like he calls so calls his wife who then calls macron to get out like like all roads lead there, but like uh It all roads leads a side out. Yeah. Yeah almost little side out the long inside out roll It's it's it's believable

[01:05:31] But it's one of those things where you're watching a movie after you've already seen the reveal and you're like I'll talk to him again Yes No, that's not no who's leo crow don't that's good. You got it back. You got it back

[01:05:43] Matt TV of course don't you listen didn't make cancel already. Yeah, but we'll bring it back again Just for the max mount side out sketches. They're gonna bring a matt tv back here. You're gonna be the only cast member

[01:05:53] It's gonna be you live on a stage from an audience for an hour and a half Just me doing max fanceto Oh, wait, how's your how's your agent? I would need the line. I feel like there's some

[01:06:06] And yeah try mr. Andrew try mr. Andrew 10. Let's try if this is Okay, so I asked myself what would it sound like if agent smith was in minority report

[01:06:18] That's the setup to my yeah, you know, I get these crazy thoughts. I think about these crazy things, uh, you know Like here's why I can't even get this out of my head

[01:06:26] I'm crazy. I do love that that was enough of a setup for an 80s comedian. You know, I have crazy ideas I'm crazy Just bear with me such as this very Specific bit that I'm gonna do that is 15 seconds

[01:06:41] David if you turn away from the microphone and then turn back. It's like you're changing and it's like All right, look, I'm a lunatic I'm certifiably insane right girlfriend tells me all the time. David. You're crazy I mean out of institutions. They almost say that someone else is

[01:06:59] Observed if they're crazy my doctor tells me I need to be medicated But but I can't stop thinking about these things. What would it sound like if Kevin spacey ate a hot dog? Oh my god, honey, this guy's fucking crazy

[01:07:12] I feel dangerous. I feel I feel unsafe in this room with him. All right Uh enough of that great. Yes enough done He runs come on guys And then like this spielberg just starts having so much fun and he hasn't had fun in a while

[01:07:26] No, I want to be clear. He's cutting loose when's the last time spielberg have this much fun Like with the way these set pieces I mean not in a long time right like Jurassic Park problem It's five years earlier and that movie is a couple

[01:07:36] Oh no, no lost world. Okay. There's no fun to be had there All the fun is lost in the world that little girl does like gymnastics That's right. That's like him or it's like this will be fun, right? And then you're everyone's just like no

[01:07:52] No, but like all the little family road trip fun like this is fun, right? Yeah Yeah, um like Whose uh heads are tucked under their legs such a spielberg gag The jetpack lighting the burger on fire when he's wrestling. I love that shot

[01:08:12] All that stuff all of the like them messing with the world around them as they like crashed everyone's houses The guy who's like playing the trumpet or something The sequence with the spiders where it's the the birds I view through the rafters of the ceiling

[01:08:26] Everyone do that whole set like yeah, yeah, right? You see that the people go there's a guy going to the bathroom. There's like a couple that's fighting How come we don't have jetpacks now? We do we just didn't tell you been Yeah, we've

[01:08:45] I've you seen those holding out the whole thing we all decided on except We all love jetpacks. I'll agree. Uh, have you seen those water jetpacks, Ben? Get out of fucking town

[01:08:57] You have to be on the water and they shoot water out at such a speed and intensity that you're propelled up in the air Above the water. I love that, but you're not quite rocketeering. You're like Flail-eteering agreed, but you do get wet Ben

[01:09:11] It's water on water. Wow. Yeah, Ben likes wet movies and this is a Wet movie. There's a great bath in this movie. Good. There's an ice bath There's the weird milky goo that all the pre-cogs live in nice little soak. It's like the neuron milk

[01:09:25] Isn't that what it's called or something? Yeah, yeah, the proton milk. He calls it a proton milk and you're like great What's that? It's basically just like warm xanax milk That is accurate. Uh, can we talk about our cars on walls quickly? Oh, we should

[01:09:41] We should actually mention that way back in the beginning they you know, uh, she grabs him out of the That's actually crucial. Like she grabs him out of the pool. He goes into the temple

[01:09:52] She we're talking about agatha agatha played by Samantha Morton and says can you see and try like shows him some vision She's having of an old murder right and the temple miners like that's crazy. She will never do that She didn't grab you and then no one's like

[01:10:06] Let's follow up on this like is there a camera we can look at? That's when he goes to tim blake nelson who swallows an entire honey baked ham without chewing And they give you the backstory of like, well, I don't know. I'm looking for these files

[01:10:17] Oh, let's find the source of here's my favorite. He's like, you know, what like, I don't know How many files do they have in there a lot right? Yeah, but look bazillion and he's like, yeah a bazillion right

[01:10:26] And he's like, well it was drawn. He's like, oh that knows a down to five Like hey man, how many murders by drowning happen come on. That's hard to kill someone by drowning You just hold them down

[01:10:40] But yes, that's when the tim blake nelson scene happens. Anyway cars on walls But that establishes this idea that the precogs have to kind of work together Yeah, they're not powerful separately. It's three visions together, but especially need the woman you need

[01:10:53] She's the best one. They call her yeah, and when he checks he wants to see just her feed of that drowning crime Missing Okay, so now cars on walls They're cool. The cars move

[01:11:07] They're maglev two directions. Yeah. Well they move in all directions kind of that's a cool It's a cool visual when he's like going one way and then they take control of the car and it starts heading back to the office

[01:11:17] Yes, and then he gets out of the driverless cars people Yeah, and then he gets out of the car and he's sort of like on the edge of the car And then it goes like sharply over a cliff because it's cars on walls because it's cars not just

[01:11:27] Yeah, not just horizontal but vertical and so he's like so then he has to like hop around and yeah, it's great Yeah, it's like a little video game and then we get the car factory at the end of this which is a great great

[01:11:37] Spielberg, I mean I think I've watched all the dvd extras but years ago But that's that was something that alfred hitchcock had always wanted to do you always want to have some big set piece

[01:11:47] In a car factory where the car is being made around the people who are fighting and then at the end you drive out in a car Like he just thought like that's like that's america, right?

[01:11:54] That's great 10 comedy points and exactly and so spielberg was like, you know what we've got i've got the money I got the juice we're gonna do this and like tom cruz is I'm a lot of friends You should have been doing it more

[01:12:07] He like sits up and he's like, yeah, what a bitch. I'm alive in this car and then color ferro basically goes He punches his own That's my second choice that I didn't like the kissing of the medallion and the air punch No, I think that's great also

[01:12:25] It's got the one trickle of blood coming out of his nostril That's where we're introduced to the uh, the sonic guns. I love the sonic guns that you wind up. Uh, that's cool All the oh those are so cool

[01:12:37] Cool it is cool and then we learn sorry i'm not trying to rush this Please we need to rush but then we learned that we're not just watching a sci-fi because oh, I don't know

[01:12:47] I get I guess I guess moving plants are sci-fi but like the plant thing feels like fantasy Yeah, it's a little you know it's unusual the vine the vines I wouldn't say I wasn't looking expecting

[01:13:00] Right vines that eat people to pop up in this movie. It's very harry potter and so like you know before harry potter and so Yeah, the vines come as he is it's a heneman right? Is that her name? Yes iris heneman who's been told

[01:13:12] Uh, I forget who plants the idea to I guess it is um max vencido isn't it? He's you know like where he's saying like who who would know like how the pre-cogs work and she's you know

[01:13:22] I hint him and maybe so he goes to see the inventor of pre-crime iris heneman played by lois smith The great lois smith who's also not aged because she plays a wacky old lady in the nice guys just last year

[01:13:34] Right, right? She's a little older, but I mean her eyeglasses are little coke bottles I just watched that movie on the plane I didn't know that she was she's in uh east of you. Yeah, she's I mean she was a ingenue yeah, here's a young

[01:13:50] Yeah, but there's like a bunch of photos of her like you know smooching James dean. Hey man. Nice working. Yeah, exactly. That's allowing Yeah, no, she's still around. I mean she's 86 now so around here. She's in her mid 70s

[01:14:04] She's fantastic at that. Um, so good. Oh just I think I would have nominated for an oscar this year I might have yeah, I mean she's definitely well, I might have

[01:14:13] The question is do I give two minority report slots because I I definitely would have given smith more than a graph No question. It's actually outrageous that she didn't get out. I remember being like in the conversation

[01:14:24] Like she was kind of close. It felt like they didn't like the movie. It only got one nomination for sound editing It's like it's kind of outrageous. It didn't get like production design nominations. It's really crazy visual effects

[01:14:34] Yeah, and I will say like the in terms of production design or the cg of this maybe cg of this movie generally very good The plants is where it sort of stretches. That's cartoon. Yeah, that is true when it's actual cg

[01:14:46] Not so good when it's integrated cg, right when it's like sort of you're expanding and filling out the world looks good When she grabs that plant to sort of make her point and it cuts her palm open like that looks kind of she's great

[01:14:58] She's terrific. She believes that she's wrestling with this vine that she's grasped But the vine itself looks kind of cheesy but she throws a bunch of big reveals out there

[01:15:07] The pre-cogs are kind of an accident. Yes, you know, she they were the daughters and sons of drug addicts of neuro and acid She's trying to cure and this is like a weird side effect was that they can see that Right and then

[01:15:18] People latched onto it. Presumably mvs was kind of leading the charge And they hooked them up so these kids have sort of lost their lives, you know, yeah Yeah, no, I mean so I mean tragedy

[01:15:28] I'll tell you my read on this movie pretty quickly but also we I also just want to mention This is crucial for us to mention and we've already gone past this scene Cameron crows in this movie. That's what I was saying Cameron crows and Cameron Diaz

[01:15:40] Cameron Diaz is in this movie Paul Thomas Anderson is in this now although like I've never seen him. I just know that he's in it I think Cameron Diaz is on that train too, but I could be wrong. Anyway, we know what's oh, yeah, she is you're right

[01:15:51] Yeah, pros on the train. Yeah, he is reading the right behind what he's reading. Uh, usa today He's reading a usa today that like auto updates. It's another sort of thing that is right. Jesus. And that's camo courage

[01:16:03] Yes, it came in Diaz is right behind him. Diaz. I mean, yeah And yeah, and pta it's one of those techniques that's like almost there, you know, they're like the newspaper that just suddenly like changes its headline

[01:16:13] PTA is on the car too. Anyway, it's just we've done a whole Cameron crow mini series. I mean, I figured we should This was a little vanilla sky Look, that's his costar and Spielly has uh a cameo and vanilla sky

[01:16:24] It was like a little crossover cameo. I'll scratch your back His cameo and vanilla sky is a little more gear Vanilla or sky? Vanilla sky You know like the nominees for supporting actors this year, they're pretty good 2002. So Catherine Zade Jones wins. Yeah, mel street for adaptation

[01:16:41] Julianne more for the hours 2002 which is category for but whatever right 2002 rosemary harris for spider-man You missed an obvious one. I missed the obvious one. Well because you already said Catherine Zade Jones

[01:16:55] Oh queen latifa for chicago the double the double nom and then is the other one a weird one Kathy Bates and about schmitt. Oh who is great in that terrific in that movie Wait, you're saying Samantha Morton would have been supporting?

[01:17:06] She would have been she's only in the last third of the movie She doesn't really talk until like an hour and 40 minutes in you know, that's a thing She goes then she has that like light-based Oh what a monologue that is and then she goes

[01:17:20] Oh my god, she's so good. This is and this is very is the same year too. She had a great year This is a very hard performance because it's like it's you cannot rely on any realistic human behavior Also someone else who was wasted in fantastic beats. Yes

[01:17:36] And it was like an interesting little uh minor import reunion. Yeah, exactly Terrible wake on her they just did her awful wig they gave her I was looking at her ndb and she was doing like so much interesting work until 2009

[01:17:53] And she's done a lot of like small movies that don't go anywhere tv since then She hasn't done much since 2009 of favorite quality It's a fun movie And she's very good in that. She has a shaved head in in america

[01:18:09] Yeah, oh, yeah, I think this was maybe shot right after that was shot 2003 she was just like grown it out. Um, you're right. She just kind of I mean she is in John Carter, but it's a motion cat Or that's 2012 right he's in cosmopolous, right?

[01:18:24] But it's messengers in 2009 is the end of her run where she's doing a lot of really good shit with really good people Um, is that when she like came out? I don't know that might have been when she burned some bridges because she came out

[01:18:35] She said like that thing about her audition and how she was told to see fat Yes, and I believe she fired an agent and went to another agent. There was some tumult

[01:18:44] I think she's a you know an interesting firebrand exactly. She directed a movie too, which I've heard is very good that I haven't seen Um, but he's on netflix. I believe called the damn

[01:18:54] I'm getting it wrong, but it's something like that. She's so good in this. She's like basically jello for the whole movie Yeah, you know like he unloved She's fantastic like her physical performance is just incredible and you're also you're playing someone with circumstances that don't exist

[01:19:09] Right, and she has to behave in totally unrealistic ways Based on those circumstances, but she makes it all feel real We were like, oh, this is what this person would actually be like if they lived in a tube of jello

[01:19:20] Were the child of a drug addict, you know and where burden was seeing the future at all times Like you're just like, oh, yeah, this seems like a very naturalistic portrayal of that

[01:19:29] Right, but you know there's a lot of chance to play the sort of a physical pain of it The mental sort of like overload And she's so good and even just that shift from the monologue to the run is like that run is terrifying

[01:19:40] It's so scary. Yeah, terrifying. Yeah, but we're jumping ahead Way ahead. Sorry. No, it's fine. Everybody around. I can't remember. Oh, well the little right the iris hem and scene

[01:19:48] That's just fun where she intrusive the idea of the minority and she tells him that he needs to break back in Basically feel Agatha. It's in her brain and she's like, I bet you know where you can get some eyeballs Yeah, right. That's true

[01:20:01] But that's like the third time like they planted that very well because I feel like because there was that other one There was like a jaundice who couldn't be identified because he had someone else's eyeballs in and then at the beginning

[01:20:11] The guides he buys drugs from has no eyeballs Yeah, no, it's obvious, but I like Spielberg hitting it on that. No, no, I don't mean no No, I know we agree. We agree. I mean, yeah, that's scene where the drug dealer is like the one eyed man

[01:20:22] is king and then you cut to Cruz and literally one of his eyes is bathed in light and the rest of him is totally unlit You know like he wants and there's that seamer max once he like says like the eyes and then coughs

[01:20:35] You know and then he's like of our nation or like Bam, bam Peter star maric Uh, but yeah, the minority part which is a great uh, just phrase. It's a cool term Um, is when uh one of the precog sees something slightly different

[01:20:52] Which adds in some degree of you know Ambiguity wait a second the system wouldn't work if people knew that they delete the files automatically Cruz has never seen And that's why the file was missing when tim blake nelson was uh taken some laps in the river of ham

[01:21:05] and um And now Cruz in addition to going okay, that's my key if I can find the minority or minority report right me Then I can prove that it's not a given but also now Ooh

[01:21:18] Moral quandary he's thinking over his whole career. Yeah because it's going I I rested halos who might not have done the crime Yeah, that's the question. Lois Smith plays it really well because she walks in there She's even pricklier than those fucking plants

[01:21:32] Nice one. Thank you. Nice one. I don't know and you're like what's going on Why should give him so much sass and it's like she's she's got a guilty conscience about this whole thing

[01:21:40] Right, so she's giving me a good amount. It's her and her plant. She doesn't want to fucking deal with this I mean like this is a noir film Right, it's a neo noir movie. It's shot like a noir movie

[01:21:49] It has this bleach bypass that they they were very intentional about all that and she's like that's a classic Elmer noir movie right you meet all these weird characters who and she's she's manipulating because she's like

[01:21:59] Finally I found a guy who can fuck this all up, right down from the inside You know and like she did that quote you mentioned with the with the plant where she's like, you know your own survival Like that's that's gonna motivate you to do this

[01:22:10] But then she also says like don't trust mac than side out. Yeah by the way She's like wait how many times are you calling me? I don't know a dozen She's like wait a sec. Delete him from your speed up. Are you an idiot?

[01:22:21] Yeah, but she's also like don't trust me. Don't trust anybody right fuck everybody I mean she's like that fed wants your job, which is the only time like I I mean you get that later from the fed

[01:22:30] I call him the twink from the color twink. Yeah, they call him a twink like six times That um and Colin Farrell calls himself a twink from the fed. He uh, he references it. Yeah I miss like I blinked the whole thing

[01:22:42] I've seen this movie five million times. No, but like when when Colin Farrell starts to do the touchscreen Thing and so you said he's not quite as good. He's not quite as good it but like

[01:22:52] There's that when she's like the the twink from the fed wants your job and then he does the screen you're like Oh, he wants to be tom cruise. It's not that he wants to just take down tom cruise He wants to do this, you know one scene

[01:23:04] He does really well too is when tom cruise is pointing the gun at him And he's like I don't hear red ball and then the alarm goes off and his face falling. That's some nice stuff In the elevator. Yeah, yeah, and that's also that um Beautiful meta casting

[01:23:18] Which oh, yeah, of course right like here's a young up and comer. You're right. Yeah This might be the next tom cruise and certainly now I think it plays even better knowing that his strengths lied

[01:23:26] Lied in a different way in a different direction. Yeah, you know what I'm saying like that he ended up Not fitting into that mold so it's like here was a guy where at the time he thought he wanted to be tom cruise

[01:23:35] Everyone thought he wanted to be tom cruise And then where just gets he gets shot by max one side spoiler Yeah I was at the movie I was talking about real life real life Colin Farrell got shot by max on side out

[01:23:46] That was just a simple dispute over a car game Eerlium a minor tumble motherfucker So he goes to see uh, peter stormare who had been in lost world. Yes, right? Is he in another spielberg movie? Is he an homestad for a second?

[01:24:04] I wonder how everyone in the lost world is in homestad Yeah I can't remember including the t-rex The t-rex plays a lawyer. He's not what I see here The t-rex plays the bassoon

[01:24:19] I guess he's not in any other spielberg movies, but but peter stormers he makes a lot of movies He works a lot peter stormers doing full storm air here. Yeah. Yeah

[01:24:28] They're like hey storm air weather. Well, you just storm air weather five comedy points. I just do the quack He does the quack quacks a lot. He's just like hey peter I'm just gonna let you loose

[01:24:37] We're gonna start rolling just do everything you can to make everyone uncomfortable Now I have some issue with the scene, right? Okay. I don't know. What do you guys think of this? I like the scene Generally it's the eye swapping scene, right?

[01:24:48] But and part of the fun of the scene is that as he's injected him with painkillers And he's getting ready to take out his eyes. He's like, yeah, by the way, I'm crazy scientist, man I have a doctor. I set people on fire, right

[01:24:58] And we know each other and I'm Tom Cruise is so he's like You because he has to be fun. He has to be smiling because he's the laughing gas is right He said your victims on fire and he's like they were performance pieces, right?

[01:25:13] So you're like, oh my god And then he totally and also he tom cruise isn't that much money. Yeah in return peter storm air Gives him new eyes Makes him eat some bad sandwiches, but like, you know, is that intentional?

[01:25:27] I don't even really know it's like drinks green melty milk You would think this is gonna be like uh-oh like he's gonna be in real Like that reversal that you sort of like I could be talked into this. That's a good reversal

[01:25:39] I'll lie somewhere between the two of you and that I think it works as a reversal. I think it's way too long I think this this scene goes on for a long time. It does go on for a little while. Yeah

[01:25:49] Although of course it is setting up a big spider scene And if it wasn't for a mirror like It's the opposite of Tim Blake Nelson like I like the amount of cheese and ham

[01:25:58] At this point in the film, especially when he's drugged it it worked the cheese and ham sandwich that he makes is delectable I Enjoyed the leisurely way. That's the key. You gotta put cheese on the ham Tim like Nelson just pulled out

[01:26:12] So it's a good mix of ham and cheese. That's what you're saying Um, and uh, yeah, and then tell me tell me gets new eyes Uh, but the spiders come so he has to go in an ice bath and then you know

[01:26:26] Ice bike is great, but then they zap him they zap him out of it Well, that's this is the holes we've already talked about but that holds that piece It's great. And the rule building of like, okay

[01:26:35] You have to keep this bandage on for this long if you take it off prematurely Then you're gonna go blind and the eyes won't work right and he does go blind I've always that's how I've always taken it right. He he goes blind in one eye

[01:26:45] He's the one I've been right right Um, but uh, but yeah, it's like the stakes are so clearly set up It's a classic Spielberg sequence where we know what's going on where everyone is what has to be done

[01:26:55] What can't be done right and you're like, how does he get around this? Oh, he lifts up one eye Yeah, but I also yeah, I also just like the uh The weird dynamic playing out between Neil McDonough and uh Patrick Kilpatrick

[01:27:06] I love saying that guy's name Patrick Kilpatrick, baby You know where Neil McDonough is like let's take it easy and Patrick Kilpatrick is like let's rough up the poor people

[01:27:13] I don't want to be scary. Also. They both just want to go lunch. Yeah, they do want to get their hunger Like me that's a big cat. I do like the idea that they don't know how to be cops They don't have to do anything

[01:27:24] They just toss their little iPhones out that like the iPhones go find the people That when they later when you have the murder scene and Colin Farrell Neil McDonough is like, huh sure looks like a murder

[01:27:32] And Colin Farrell's like have you never run a murder before? Yeah, he was like, what were you doing before this? And what was it? It was like he's like a treasury Yeah This is your actual first murder scene. Yeah, he's like so actually yeah

[01:27:44] This is bullshit. It's like non-lethal weapons and rocket packs and all they do is apprehend people before anything gets bad They don't know how to get their hands dirty. Sure don't But he's got the ziploc bag with his own eyeballs in it right and some goop

[01:27:57] Yeah, I love that sequence just going back for a second Put him running through the mall where all the targeted advertisements hitting him and it's oh fuck. This is why he needs new eyes

[01:28:06] I love that. It's not even like ads yell at you. It's not even like cops are gonna notice him And even like getting on the subway your eyes get scanned like But it's just like It people know his name now

[01:28:16] It's all over the news and if he's walking around any public place gaps gonna keep on putting him on blast I just wish more of the gap things have been like um that six pack of black ribs

[01:28:27] Tank tops that you bought how do you like those like they don't yeah, they don't they don't hit I need some more tom cruise. Yeah, I need I need more tom cruise joke

[01:28:35] You could use a Guinness right about now, right? They do that. Yeah, um, okay got a sale on sleeveless shirts Yes How about how about you show those guns off mr. Anderton So he breaks into you till we talked about his his weird uh face changing machine

[01:28:50] He breaks into uh the temple you don't like the face changing machine benny. No, why not it disturbed me That's a fair that's a fair answer You didn't like the iced up either right? No. Yeah, I think that really hit me in a visceral way

[01:29:05] It I don't know because it's like Seems like some shit that could happen in the foreseeable future Uh, I stuff really freaks me out That's like my one kind of big trigger in movies in terms of like gore or viscera

[01:29:18] Or like any action sequence where it's like or a horror movie where its eyes are the thing under threat I I Just hardware they were like clockwork or aging his eyes open

[01:29:27] I almost looked away and then I was like no, we're gonna have to talk about on the podcast I have to watch it It's like they'll make fun of me if I don't I looked away. Okay. Um, but uh, yeah, I then the eye rolling down the uh

[01:29:40] That's a little bit of looney tunes. That's a little bit of like I Mean, yeah, it's true But he breaks in he steals Samantha Morton He's been tried to download her files, but then time is running out. He can't find it. So he's just got to take her

[01:29:59] Which fucks everything up because now no pre-crime I just want to say having worked for different companies like isn't hrs usually supposed to like Change the lock exactly Why does his eyeball still work on the temple?

[01:30:13] Guys, I thought about this a lot. My only answer is they would just think like well Why the fuck would he come here right like that'd be crazy Right. He's running away from us. We'd love it if he came here. It'd be great

[01:30:25] He could he put him in jail the jail's right down there Tim like nelson's there Just like an elevator ride But yeah, he grabs a soggy Samantha Morton and her white bodysuit and he's like this white bodysuit Not gonna fly and they flush themselves down the toilet. Yes

[01:30:41] Goes to the gap. I love that little detail of him holding up the clothes against the woman who looks like her size Oh, that's great. But you know he rescues Samantha Morton right and you have that is this now Yeah, uh thing

[01:30:52] So this is a noir movie in my opinion the movie she's the main character and it's she's the femme fatale Is my re has always been my read on this movie and she She is generated. This is a movie about her breaking out of jail essentially

[01:31:05] This is a movie on her. Exactly. This is a movie about her liberation and she sets the entire plot in motion When she shows tom cruise Her mother's death. I mean spoiler alert

[01:31:16] That's her mom being murdered and like that's of course what's what triggers maxim seed out to you know frame tom cruise Right, like so it's like this is a movie about her

[01:31:24] She can see the future and she knows how to you know, she can finally once he gets into the temple And we're told that's the first time he gets in there like she's like finally I can like make my escape, right? Yes, and it's also great. I mean

[01:31:36] This is a movie. Yeah this is a movie uh that uses mr. X really smartly because The way control first thing I said mr. X and I was like, who's this mr. X

[01:31:48] Mr. X was the uh first assistant director and I feel like they often didn't let him do his thing But in this movie they really said you know what Spielberg was like mr. X and he was like, yes

[01:31:58] I just like this guy in like a trench coat. He's like played by Doug Jones. I think it was a head no jar mechanical spider legs um, but uh, yeah the What you were saying earlier about like Spielberg is not necessarily a subtle filmmaker

[01:32:13] I think he's a nuanced filmmaker, but he writes big right? He wants you to understand what's going on He wants you to have the emotional reactions Right he intends sure like given moments And so the way that Colin Farrell's character is so unlikable the gum chewing

[01:32:29] How antagonistic he is from the get-go and the fact that we have all these flashbacks to the sun It's like okay. We know where this is going Colin Farrell, of course, there's gonna be a reversal here, right?

[01:32:38] But I do like that the reversal is like Colin Farrell's too good at his job to be put over like that's what i'm saying He's just like no, no, this is too easy. Yeah Yeah, I

[01:32:48] Or you can say job. Yeah, well, you just have him you have Colin Farrell evolve I think the witward character is my favorite part of this film because you have him evolving from antagonists to like co-sympathetic protagonist and then the fact that he dies immediately is

[01:33:03] Perfect it makes this film so much better that witward dies. Yes like and it shifts it nicely against You know Lamar. Yeah, I just think like you could watch this movie and go like okay

[01:33:14] It's good, but Spielberg is doing some clunky shit. Yeah, it's so clear the feral characters the villain And it's so clear that the guy he's gonna kill is gonna be the the guy who abducted his son And then it's like no it's a piece of shit

[01:33:27] He's making you look over here So you're not paying attention over here Which I think in terms of twists and movies is usually the most effective way to do it

[01:33:33] Because either it's like there was no foreshadowing and then just feels fucking abusive because it's just like you just pulled a rug For the sake of pulling the rug right or it's too clearly foreshadowed

[01:33:43] And this is like everything's there, but he's telling you to look at this instead of that Um, and so when it all comes together, it's like I'd forgotten

[01:33:50] I remember that at at the end of the movie it was max on side out, but I'd forgotten the mic binder All right Yes, you get to the lea first. There's that set piece where he's uh walking her through the mall and she keeps

[01:34:01] He's like grab that umbrella So smart do you see the balloon man? Yeah, stay stay stay Love her in this movie so much Such a tough and him too he's terrific, but like the visual of him like holding her and protecting her and like that

[01:34:16] Great shot where they're facing in opposite directions and it's like she's trying to push him away and he's like, you know, they're literally Uh, you know opposing poster shot. That was one of the posters But one of the posters the major poster shot was totally boring

[01:34:29] Yeah one eyeball no, there was the slightly cooler one with his face But one eye then there's the other really dull one. That's just You know that was when all tom cruise posters look like that, but like but the two faces the face is going off the directions

[01:34:42] It's really good. It's really good. Um, yeah And so they actually takes they go but they go to leo crow's Apartment and it's full of pictures of all the kids. He's it's so like you do

[01:34:53] Yeah, once again, you know, you really want to keep them in a loose pile on the bed You know, that's where you would keep your kid murder but that's what I love about it is it feels like shitty film making

[01:35:02] It doesn't you know, like it works and you're just like, okay He's wrapping it up too neatly like he doesn't trust us the Spielberg might have just mis-stepped here

[01:35:10] And that's like an orgy of evidence right. No, that's the point. The point is this is a poorly directed idea But nonetheless, that's meco cedo. This is the button that he can push To make tom cruise kill someone but I mean to make john enter

[01:35:22] You know, but then if like, you know, like she keeps telling him like you don't have to like You know, you're supposed to do that scene is so tense because because she's freaking out Yes, she's like on her knees

[01:35:33] Is happening right and she's screaming and it's just like oh, it's so good And she keeps saying that you're the differences. You know, you're the only person to ever know and like what I what did you know? He doesn't do it. That's that's what I've forgotten

[01:35:47] It doesn't do it but then it like plays out exactly that way But then he want he needs it to happen because leo kerr has been promised like redemption for his family He's like a jack ruby The clock but then it plays out exactly

[01:36:00] Yeah, which I love with the same anderton weight same image same dialogue but different Intonations and I love that shot with good bye crow Yeah, I love that shot with like the courtyard of the building surrounding it when they pull up from the window

[01:36:13] And you see everyone reacting and looking at the dead body on the ground hearing the gunshot and being like is that is that a murder? Right, right. It's crazy. They're less scared and more like wait. That's not that's not really Is it a murder?

[01:36:25] Um, but I love uh that also when he does it that she shrieks because she's like Finally there first a murder. I don't know that good. It feels like oh is that what I was like the metaphysical breaking of time and space

[01:36:39] In the act of murder like that must be like right. Yeah, it's like a fucking worse So then yeah, then we have the crime scene thing that you were talking about in terms of concoct girl Actually being a cop and everyone else being an idiot

[01:36:50] Right, it's great. He isn't it. He's from the department of justice and in one scene They totally flip the character. He says this makes no sense, but he makes the same mistake tom cruise makes

[01:36:58] He's like, you know who I need to have a nice long convo with is lamar burges We're gonna just talk it out, but you know what first in private

[01:37:06] And first thing i'm gonna do is put a gun in his hand. You know what I need to give him is a Murder weapon with someone else's prince. Yeah Load that gun put it right in his hand no braves for the first time in six years

[01:37:17] Murder is open game because the precogs have been flushed on the toilet But I love that Line is like no boots on the ground. Do you hear that? Yeah, nothing no boots. No spiders

[01:37:29] Fucking no six. No. He's like no no click click of the little spiders going up Also, what is this group? He literally though. Do you think maxvencea does just like look man? Just give me the lines

[01:37:40] I'll read them like an nl murder him like I tell you feel like he approached game of thrones, right? That's hopkins and westworld. Oh no acting required AR baby And AR I slipped that into an Atlantic story this way. It's great right? Is that the best you required?

[01:37:54] Oh god Oh my god guys Danny Whitworth dies Well, no uh, uh, oh and Danny Whitworth right Danny Whitworth dies kissing his medallion as he goes poor poor Danny It's a it's almost a straight

[01:38:06] Take on the LA confidential games cromwell shooting kevin spacey, right like the sort of out of nowhere. Yeah It's great because we're gun sounds we're just starting to feel like oh is color and feral gonna kind of become a coprot

[01:38:19] Yeah, right. Are we gonna switch leads almost? No. No you get skilled. No, he's out of there and now Tom cruise has reconnected with his wife. Well, no first he takes uh Agatha to the brain center right to what's his name?

[01:38:32] Firefly or whatever. Yeah, uh rufus Riley rufus T Riley Jason and tune yeah tries to download the murder out of her brain But she doesn't she just she tells them me she didn't he didn't oh no this must have happened before liocro We're getting the chronology everything

[01:38:47] But yeah, like she says you don't have the precox we're seeing just glimpses of things out of order It's kind of the that's kind of a red herring. Like it's it's important for the larger themes of does pre crime make sense That's a cool title

[01:38:59] There is that cool part in the I don't want to clutter palace, whatever we want to call it We're like, yeah, what is the thing called? I forget Bruce city She she like she falls backwards, you know because she flails

[01:39:11] She falls backwards and she's looking at the screen and he's looking at the screen. Can you see yeah? Is that fucking murder she wants investigated man? She's like forget your shit My cold case is the problem. Yeah, it's true. Uh

[01:39:26] Yeah, no, you're right. Yes, then then they go to his ex-wife's house She lives in like virginia somewhere some nice and we've seen her I think the movies done a good job keeping her in the picture Definitely because you see her as a video first

[01:39:38] Yeah, yeah in quite the wig but the video is essentially she's like can I fuck you already and he's like She's like seriously like come on. It's time. Yeah, that's that's the detail

[01:39:48] I love too a detail. I love is that when he's going through the videos each one the video quality is a little worse as he's going like backwards in time so when he goes up to the one that's Catherine Morris and uh, he's like standing next to it

[01:40:01] She's like three-dimensional hologram and he walks to the side of it. It's like, oh no It's a kind of hologram where it's like there's a 3d shape and then there's projected on the top of it But from the side it doesn't really yeah

[01:40:14] That stuff's good and then she has the the scene She talks to Max once I don't on the phone She has the Lamar scene briefly where he's trying to say who's Leo crow, right? Um, which is he knows who Leo crow He knows exactly

[01:40:27] This motherfucker is playing everyone like a fucking piano. He knows He's like Tim Blake Nelson He's playing everyone like an organ We're in a Grammy for best soundtrack Why does Tim Blake Nelson have an organ? Because he's bored

[01:40:39] And what I like is that he has like a wheelchair with like breakfast on it like he has like a breakfast table Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't have breakfast on a wheelchair? Maybe I would I don't know

[01:40:49] But um, so uh, then yeah, you have the scene we already talked about a little bit the where the monologue Where essentially she tells them the future that they didn't happen like the right the future they could have had if his son hadn't died

[01:41:02] Can I throw out a hot take? sad bummer Really sad and then he gets haloed and he gets put in his halo jail, right? And he gets his head shaved and he doesn't look as good as Samantha Martin does

[01:41:15] He does not also want to point out they give him different eyes when his eye You know, he has those big black eyes Right And that looks cool like it's and it's weird seeing an actor play a role with new eyes

[01:41:25] And he's also got these red sort of rings around his eyes, which gets to this thing Tom Cruise especially in sci-fi more interesting the more beaten down he looks, you know Yeah, fuck with him. Yeah, fuck with him a little bit

[01:41:34] But maybe don't shave his head is what we're going for Jorah. I'm not saying not his best luck Can I call you Jorah? Can I call you rojo? Um So some people looks okay, all right

[01:41:46] I feel like this is prevailing at the time especially AI comes out people like this movie's too long and has thumb ending right It's got dumb ending this movie My not-earport comes out people like this movie's too long. Why is it got dumb happy ending again?

[01:41:58] Right, so some people are like why isn't the movie just then right there, you know And then other people are like the movie does end there and the rest of it's a fantasy, right? It's in his brain That's some like you frack.com shit. I don't like it.

[01:42:12] That is some cracked Shit that is exactly what it is Joanna. Thank you. Thank you rojo. That is literally right Like that that is some honest trailers bullshit. I don't know. I you know, uh, but you know Tom does excellent work another thing

[01:42:27] But sometimes they're like this crazy Fan theory about these movies will change the way you look at the forever Well, what if bio dome is actually just a dream in midnight cowboy everyone's

[01:42:39] That sounds good, I would click everyone's gonna make their living. I've made my living. We've all made our lives It's all cool. But that is some crack.com shit But so he does have to hang out with tim Blake Nelson, which is a real bummer

[01:42:52] Oh, that's like that's like fate worse than death and then yeah You have that you have that scene pretty much right after where lemar is she's tying Max's been seen as bow tie and he's like I will look for anything about a woman who has drowned

[01:43:04] No one said anything You've been playing this so well now you're like You know, no, I definitely didn't kill You're one of our finest living actors. He just got to sell it for a little longer

[01:43:18] And then he but like uh, c-do made the same mistake that callin ferrell does which he gives her the gun Does he not because she's staring at that but always she's staring at the eyeball. Yes That's what she's staring at the eyeball. She's staring at the eyeball

[01:43:29] Which is kind of a gun in that this film posits that eyes are the most powerful tool of all Well, dude, I'm raising my eyebrow. Wow. I nature's gun But I I think don't I like how this plays out at the I like

[01:43:44] I like the staging of it like the you know the party and that they show the murder on like, I don't know like all the Weird I like the gold gun

[01:43:52] I'm here for it. I do like that he asked to explain like, uh, a gold gun. Let me explain Because they need a gun like to be you know, like someone's got to have a gun for the final scene

[01:44:06] Oh, yeah, because they don't really they have the they don't really No one has lethal weapons because you can't because then fucking cream crime wouldn't work because that's a different movie That's lethal weapon Right, but we're watching my minority if they all had guns then every

[01:44:18] Red ball would be followed by like another red ball, right? It would be like oh and then like officer enderton's gonna kill this guy It's just a daisy chain of guns So that's why they all have six sticks and you know cool weird non-lethal weapons

[01:44:33] That was part of the brain the think tank spielberg set up there. He was like give me some non-lethal weapons They should have caused me non-lethal weapons. They should Wow, Jesus Christ, holy shit. That's an anti-crack

[01:44:48] What if it was like steven spielberg and tom cruise is gonna make a movie more like oh, what is it get this non-lethal weapon? Okay, so so so his wife And her wife, mrs. Anderton her name I believe is laura laura anderton or whatever her main

[01:45:05] Laura anderton. This is she's kept anderton according to the wikipedia ruins Timblake nelson's organ solo by really lapping that eyeball And it's like Eyeball we're heavy enough to depress those That's true. That's a little much. Yeah, but uh, yeah, and she she pops him out of Halo jail

[01:45:28] And and yeah, and he he reveals max once you know Orchestrated this crime the murder of Samantha morton's mother because she wanted she had cleaned up and she wanted her back

[01:45:39] And then he like did all this trickery so he could like make it look like he staged the crime They stopped the crime and then he did the real crime while it was happening. What is it called?

[01:45:46] It's not a minority person echo echo and that's why it was clean. That's why there's no red ball Smart or brown I like it. Yeah, it's fun. And that's all in vent. We have fun. We have fun with our murders

[01:45:58] We try the marburgers. He he puts the fun in murder, right? Yeah, it's about the journey not the destination for him And uh this whole time to me the mortons mom has been missing just

[01:46:09] They say it's weird wine. That's right. Yeah. Just another missing person. Is it like there are a lot of missing people? Eliminate crime like or at least murder like people shouldn't go missing anymore Maybe people go missing because they do not like you can no longer murder people

[01:46:22] So you can just like disappear them But I mean this is part of the overall message in the movie, right? Like it's a tenuous. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yep No, but like this is a post 9 11 movie. It's a movie that's worried about the surveillance state

[01:46:36] Like and about like the ease with which we make these like mental elites, right around the time I and the sky. No not I and the sky. I and the sky just came out my friend No, what am I thinking of nevermind. No, what come on?

[01:46:48] Uh will Smith and you know, oh enemy of the state. There you go. Enemy of the state Which is not the same as that was 98. Oh, okay. That's right um, but but this movie I mean, I think what's interesting is uh 2005 munich and

[01:47:02] Um where the worlds are both I think consciously post 9 11. Absolutely But this is true. This says that this has that uh dna It's just less. It's less moral bleak. Well, this movie is like in production when 9 11 happens

[01:47:14] Yeah, right right about so like sort of accidentally reflecting. Well, I think it was like it was developed independently and then I think it's like seeping into the bones of everything Right, you know and there already is

[01:47:28] In this material a lot of overlap with a lot of the concerns that we were all fighting and wrestling with it And I mean that's and that's filled kid dick, right? That's just everything. Yes, which is what the paranoid sci-fi

[01:47:39] The story is really just the first third of the movie It's just the idea of pre crime and the new guy comes in and anderton gets caught for a murder

[01:47:48] And as he's put in prison, he tells the new guy like watch out because they're gonna do the same shit to you Like that's like that's just the story. I don't know if you guys notice but at the reception there at the end

[01:47:57] They had a banner that said mission accomplished Um, wow Yeah, that's crazy. It said mission possible Oh Uh as spielberg says in an interview guys, we're giving up some of our freedoms so that the government can protect us

[01:48:14] Thank you, man. Yeah, just talk right over that guys. That's what it feels like. Yes, it did. Yes Yes, but then the end of the movie to me the button that's crucial is that you see agatha has gotten her freedom with the with the two twin

[01:48:25] Dash and art dash and art their named after, you know, a good the christie arthur conan doylan dash Yeah, but that's the note the mystery writers guys. Yeah, I didn't I didn't get Uh terrible wigs on all of them. Yeah, they've got some

[01:48:41] But look come on they were bald like come on one shot Terrible awful wigs what if the movie should make it clear they should have like one of them like reach up and scratch their bald head

[01:48:50] Under the wig so it's like don't worry. We know they just didn't want to be bald anymore They were sick of being bald. This is like two weeks later. They didn't have time to grow their hair out Just the proton milk really fucked with their follicle

[01:49:01] Because you think like The guy in the who brushes their teeth. Do you think he like shaves their heads too? Is that oh my god That creeper can he get haloed please because when they put agatha back in the polly's like I'm so and he like

[01:49:12] He's like my mom made my mom made a you know me meet her new boyfriend He's brushing her teeth. I'm doing a Uh and then yeah, and then the anderton's

[01:49:23] Make a new baby so then I don't have to worry about their dead son anymore. They got a new baby Yeah, so I mean maybe this is where people blink because it is that spill burger. He's like that that that done

[01:49:32] David just mine tying a bow very neatly and and elegantly and theatrically well, thank you But but I do think you know, I certainly prescribed to the theory that Um the the ending of your movie is the thesis You know

[01:49:47] I think you choose to end on your final statement That is should make it clear what you really were ultimately above all else trying to say this entire time And I think it's very telling that it ends with the pre-cogs and not with tom cruise

[01:50:01] And if people complain about that tom cruise ending being too neat. Okay, I'll complain. It's literally one shot It's literally one shot of tom cruise. The wife comes up from behind him. She's pregnant You know, they don't like really a complication and and pre crime has been disbanded

[01:50:15] Yes, it's been shuttered You see the whole thing just sort of shut down and abandoned and like they're they don't say it but it's possible Well, that would be crazy But doesn't it seem like it's possible if they're in the lake house like

[01:50:27] On side of the lake house. They're in a lake house Oh interesting and and like his wife because you know he murdered her mom at a lake

[01:50:33] And at one point in the movie his wife is like well now you're retiring we can actually use that lake house or something like that I don't know the lake house. He's like, yeah, just don't look in the water. Yeah, he's like don't look too deeply also

[01:50:44] Let's watch that Keanu Reeves and her bullock movie because it's great I would like to be in the lake house, but let's never go swimming 70 bodies My secret room with my ski mask The ski mask had like Built-in goggles. Yeah. Yeah. It was like intense

[01:51:03] Yeah, um, but I think yeah, I mean it's like the I agree the movie is ultimately about the pre-cog That's the real story. Tom Cruise is kind of like the the narrative catalyst

[01:51:12] But that's the real emotional arc of the film, you know, I think him regaining his you know rebuilding his family is secondary And I think the pre-cog Pre-crime being disbanded is like a very mixed thing

[01:51:25] You know, I mean it kind of speaks to this 9 11 thing where it was like well We you know our country took action in ways because we definitely felt the need to respond to

[01:51:33] Something in some way, right and it was like well, it's we're kind of there's no good answer here Yeah, you know like I don't know if our administration dealt with it the right way

[01:51:41] But it's like look this thing is kind of morally dubious, but if we disbanded there's gonna be more murder again So either you're gonna arrest a bunch of people who shouldn't be arrested

[01:51:50] Or people are gonna do that and every single one of them was released in part in yes, although the government keeps an eye on that But like even even that's I

[01:52:02] That one Tom Cruise I that went down the sewer that's the one that they have fixed on it They keep the eye on the keys of the organ every time they do something bad But I like that I think it's like a murky ending really, you know

[01:52:14] There's an there's a patness in terms of like okay our two heroes end up happy You know, they get the nice little idyllic life that they want It's also like the state of the world is like well we watch this whole movie

[01:52:24] That's sort of explained how this system is corrupt and the guy behind is fucked up And they wrongfully imprisoned a lot of people but it's like okay, but now a lot of people who should have been imprisoned

[01:52:33] Are back on the series and that's like and Danny where's still dead? It's a rock in a hard place movie, you know which I like which is how we all felt in the wake of 9 11 Yes, thank you for that gum. I'll take it by the gum

[01:52:44] I mean box office game and then we got to be done Okay, so I remember people thought this movie was gonna be huge and then it was a squeaker of an opening weekend We're gonna play the docs up try to guess the top five of the box

[01:52:55] The week is june 21st 2002. I'm sure you're a little dork, so I'm sure you know the other movie that opened with it Oh, I do yes. I do so the film this is what I was building up the film opened

[01:53:07] $35 million as you say was seen as slightly underperforming because the other film was within a million dollars of that right? It was within 400,000. Yes, okay, so Two movies opened this weekend and everyone was like minority report is opening in the 40s

[01:53:22] This other movie people were like if best case scenario it opens in the 20s And then both of them open mid 30s within 400,000 dollars of each other and people were like wow That's crazy. Is tom cruise starting to slip if he didn't have that

[01:53:36] Big of a grip on the opening weekend my number one 35.6 million dollars and then also 35.2 million dollars Is Lee low and stitch right adorable little Which wasn't okay. Oh, too Yeah I saw it here in new york. Oh wow

[01:53:56] Lee low and stitch uh great movie. So I'm not seeing one minority Maybe did okay. Sorry. Um not how long you remember, you know, that's not relevant But anyway, oh hana means family. Oh hana means no one gets left behind true empirical truth

[01:54:08] Um, but also that wasn't even like disney's big movie that year treasure planet was their big bet And that cost like fucking a hundred million dollars And lilo and stitch was like a thing they had made in like an animation wing that mostly did tv

[01:54:20] Shit and direct to video movies and they gave him a little more budget. Yeah. Yeah. That was a huge hit and uh treasure plant Was a huge bomb, but lilo and stitch was kind of game change. Okay. What else is in the box?

[01:54:30] Number three is a movie you've talked about scooby-doo See how good he is at this game We're like the annoying couple to play charades I'm really impressed if it's time periods. I lived with and I remember

[01:54:41] Wow, he's good at this 24 million dollars in its second weekend. This is right because it opens like 50 Yeah, it's already made a hundred million dollars. It was a huge hit people talk about scooby-doo. Yeah, I saw I saw a twice opening day What?

[01:54:56] I love scooby-doo. I like I like the mythology of scoober to do Number four is a movie in a franchise that is still running a very infrequent franchise still running to this day It's the first entry

[01:55:09] The first entry of what has become an infrequent franchise. I believe that is resident evil the first one Interesting, although I think resident evil is right around there came out spring 2002. Yeah, um interesting summer my friend

[01:55:22] We're in summer and this film has made 54 million dollars in two weeks and was seen as kind of like A mildly surprising hit like underworld no, no that's September three it is a genre movie

[01:55:35] But it's not like a fantasy movie. It's like an action movie. Interesting. It's an action franchise They're still making them 54 How many have there been in total? Can you tell me that five? Five of them. Yes, although one of them is kind of a side equal

[01:55:52] to use that word No, never mind. No That's so fascinating starring an oscar winner. I'll keep giving you food Starring an oscar winner. Were they an oscar winner at the time? Yes the film uh total gross

[01:56:07] 121 million i'm pretty sure that every movie after it at least the next couple make more It's not pirate. Nope. That's all three Oh two, it's not the sum of all fears. No, which I know comes out that year number five

[01:56:19] You just guessed number five in the box. Oh hell yeah, I did. I saw in theaters That made a hundred million dollars. It did. It's yeah Could tell me one thing. Yeah went to the movies. Yeah seriously, you know what they do in that movie?

[01:56:32] They blow up a fucking football stadium with a nuke Right after september 11 right after september 11 is attack of the clones number six It's number nine. Okay. Also in the top 10 you got divine secrets at the ya ya sisterhood

[01:56:46] Yeah, you do. Okay. You got uh juana man opening at number eight. Uh, I don't You don't want no you don't want a man spider man is clicking around there. It's made 390 That's cute bad company. I saw every single one of these movies in theaters. Yeah, yeah

[01:57:02] I saw everything in this top. There's a spirit stallion of the summer Okay, this I'm gonna tell you my spirit story, which is this you can say that title and put

[01:57:11] Any one of those nouns in any position in the title is still works simmering stallion of the spirit Stallion simmering of the spirit That's good like that's a game I used to play. I don't know why

[01:57:25] Give me more hint. Let's crack this. Okay. So you said they're frequent franchise They're five of them, but one of them is a side cool. They star an oscar winner All the other ones do well after that. It's infrequent. They're spread out the first ones in 2002 Yeah

[01:57:38] Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's a born identity. Thank you. Okay nailed it under the radar of that movie The renner side cool. Yes. Good. Good clues. Yes, of course

[01:57:50] So there you go. That's the box office game. We had fun guys born identity actually added five theaters that we just definitely There was originally a thing where some of all fears and born identity were supposed to open the same day

[01:58:00] And they were like we can't do this to ben and have poor bed and matt they're both trying to start their own little franchises What will they you know political thrillers let them they're definitely both going to go equally as well Yeah, right

[01:58:14] Born and some make basically the same amount of money about 120 each and where did where did matt uh, ryan jack ryan And aflick never did jack ryan again and and born also had such crashes and burns because he's got daredevil and then Glee like he just

[01:58:30] Jersey girl bad time. Um, that's the next year. He really is matt damon everyone's like matt damon and then hey You know and the production history that movie is really rough and they rely like bad buzz coming right

[01:58:41] They sort of yeah, thug lineman was stirring up his usual linemania. Oh, I do love Like is there a jack ryan curse? Do we think krasinski? I mean, I guess A little bit krasinski. Is he doing it now? Yeah, or are you doing a tv show?

[01:58:57] But it's gonna work because it's for amazon everything they do is great. They're great. They're perfect I love everything they've ever produced great tablet, especially like coming up. They've just got a lot of really good stuff Most definitely i'm excited for the supermarket. They're opening

[01:59:10] They're creepy supermarket. We just take shit. It's great. I'm totally against human beings having jobs. It's great amazon's a great company All right, don't get fired griff. I'm saying that's what i'm saying. I'm saying they should do it

[01:59:20] They should kill all humans and make robot supermarkets. All right. I gotta go home Uh, yeah, I have to do something Uh, what the fuck are you doing that's so special

[01:59:30] I gotta get a tape video off of hard drives for somebody. You gotta go see about a girl You gotta go see about it. Hard drive. Speaking of mad jaymond. I have to go see about a boy It's playing at a revival theater

[01:59:40] Dumb revival theater. You're like i'm a nicklas holds completest. I gotta gotta see it all um Joe robinson rojo. Yeah, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. This is delightful

[01:59:50] So great, uh people can listen to you on the 17 podcast that you mentioned earlier Uh storm spoilers covering dino truck season two and troll hunters and troll hunters rolling out It's rolling out this one

[02:00:02] I swear to god when troll hunters was announced the logline was like a bunch of kids find something weird in their neighborhood And I was like is it trolls? What do you think that's gonna be?

[02:00:14] They find them they have made a mysterious discovery in their town. Uh-huh trolls. It's it's a real mystery box show that one I can't believe that show and the trolls movie are both made by dreamerx, but aren't the same franchise

[02:00:28] I'd love it if troll it won't be funny. You have troll hunters It's like a dark version of a serious minded version where the adults are the heroes trying to kill those dumb little things

[02:00:36] No offense to Richard lost and who of course is the father of trolls. Um, thank you for being here rojo um Please remember to rate review subscribe our podcast as always next week

[02:00:47] We'll be talking about spielberg's second two for two of two o o two movie catch me if you can that's the namesake of our podcast That's right. So stay tuned for that cool

[02:01:00] And as always please do it really seriously we it would be lovely if you did that And as always Seriously, if any kid can tell me what's up with this group thing. I need to figure out this group guy is yeah

[02:01:16] Well, I just stole a bunch of screeners from the vader fair office. So I am looking forward to seeing a monster monster calls Um, I still haven't seen hella high water. So that's that's on my list. Yeah, you loved it

[02:01:29] I love that movie. I I feel like now everyone who's catching up with it is like what it's fine Like I and I well my dad And my dad's kind of my dad's kind of an like pro murder like he's a trump voter. So like I

[02:01:42] I feel like I feel like it's sort of like a trump voter movie Isn't it Angie hon? Angie hon made the joke. It's economic anxiety the movie or whatever It's actually that right rather than like the joke of that. I think it's great

[02:01:55] I like it a lot. I do think it's a way that benefited from no expectations It probably played festivals it came out in august also I saw it at the night hawk and I ate a real nice cheese plate. Oh never underestimate the power of the cheese plate

[02:02:07] It's just like a really solid american grown-up movie. Sure. It might be getting a little Very well active very well written. Well, like isn't isn't bridge is just doing like

[02:02:17] Rooster cock like isn't that but really well really really good really well. He's just like bridging it up and I I've seen that right but like isn't Jeff bridges in my opinion the best yes, yes

[02:02:27] He is and it's like I when he's mad about him. My brother's like come on like he's just like the billy gold gruff thing Yeah, right. He's chewing on a tin can Yes, it's the same performance. He's done a bunch of times

[02:02:38] But you watch this and you're like oh every performance between true grit and this he didn't have good material Right and it is like even if you've seen it before you're like welcome return to him having a shit to say

[02:02:48] What's your are we good ben? Yes, I'm begun recording so you can jump in when you're ready. Thank you, bennie Yeah, I you'll I think I don't know maybe you'll hate it. I think you'll like Everyone who just met you That performance in the seventh son no no

[02:03:05] RIPD Actually, I do have a Thought I wanted to share before we record Okay, I'm ready regarding minority report is this is pretty juvenile. So that's why I wanted to sort of get your approval

[02:03:21] While watching this movie early on I told my roommate who's watching with me the instead of Calling it pre cog or pre crime call it pre come No, and it really changed the the way I saw this movie. No, okay good

[02:03:35] We won't talk about that but you were recording that so you can put it after the show, right? Oh, that's a good call. Yeah pretty after right we put whatever awful thing we do at the start of the show That's stupid at the end of the show

[02:03:46] Okay, uh, oh, I have one other thing I need to maybe I should and I'll say this on mine This is a tangent. What are you doing? Oh my god? Let's get focused

[02:03:54] This is like the chris gethard episode where he shows paul shear. What's inside the dumpster. You've seen that Yeah, oh, okay, and then paul shear's like oh, oh this is important what I have to say You'll actually it'll be better later. Okay

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