Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One with Marie Bardi

[00:00:30] Main feed before we never had to do that. No What's what's it? What's a big line from this room? You have to make a podcast Pick up you have to pick up podcast Then you're trying to play 4d chess with a podcast Give the podcast aside

[00:00:47] What's that? What's the Shea Wigum line? He has his own version of the manifest. He's living manifestation of destiny I'll look it up. I asked Bill get to tell me yeah He's a mind reader capable of shape-shifting the incarnation of chaos when he's like briefing his men

[00:01:06] I by the way would be like can we get a new boss? You seem to have already lost your mind. Yes This guy's right free in your head. We haven't even started chasing it. I like how Movies now increasingly have become like he just breaks people's brains

[00:01:24] His right. They're just like I don't even want to talk about him Right because it used to be like when people gave the briefing on what his deal was they had a sense of control

[00:01:35] Yeah, and she Wigum is just like I'm not even fucking his boss. I'm like a middle manager now Sent after him. He was the thing. I miss is Angela Bassett now the president in my universe I think yeah, I think that's her photo is in the back

[00:01:49] Yeah, which doesn't make because she was the head of the CIA, correct? Yes, we don't usually elect heads of the Central Intelligence Agency to be president no, that's the job

[00:01:59] It's just you can't really run it. You'll be like why did a great job at the CIA? What'd you do? Well, I can't I can't but actually maybe that's a good like brick wall thing during a debate

[00:02:08] Yeah, my opponent won't even say it's classified. It's out of my hands. I kept Ethan Hunt under control. Who's Ethan Hunt exactly I Would elect Angela Bassett And I would love to see her in movie 8 maybe she'll pop I have heard she is in it

[00:02:27] I don't know. I think that's public. No, I don't know that what you she was very much a kovat thing I mean, I get it as well like put the picture up and you're just sort of like don't worry

[00:02:37] We haven't forgot about Angie. She'll show up which I think this franchise is pretty good at doing it like not Generally writing people off and being like we don't break someone back doesn't mean they're gone case in point Kidrich. Yes, exactly

[00:02:49] What I mean the big question is race runner. I Mean, I hope he's dead Dad the thing McCoy has always said was like he didn't want to come back for Fallout and There was sort of the choice of like do you kill him off?

[00:03:03] Right in some interesting way, right and he was like I would rather keep him alive And if he ever wants to come back then I'll use him to the degree that he wants to be used I don't want to just like kill him off because he's not available

[00:03:13] Yeah but I mean there is the unspoken thing of like but he Will have to accept being the fifth fiddle like or whatever if he wants to come back which clearly he didn't like being I thought He was so good in rogue nation. So well, you know

[00:03:25] And now there's this retroactive kind of like yeah, it's sort of annoying to see Renner I'm like, no, no, we're not gonna pretend Renner didn't have juice. No, you oh, yeah You were defending him on Twitter Is it weird that like everyone offered everything to this guy

[00:03:42] To fucking Oscar nominations the guy was straight fire One best picture. Yes, and that movie is 50% his performance. Yes, you should he should have won the Oscar that year that was the That was the fucking Jeff Bridges here, right? All right

[00:03:57] And we had to give it to bridges because we hadn't you know We'd fucked up prior supporting actor the year that he was nominated for the town that cuz I love that Which car we taking?

[00:04:10] 2010 the town who wins that year Jeffrey Rush is nominated, but the winner is The social networking speech Christian bail in the fighter a pseudo lead performance. Yes, very transformative from a Actor who was sort of ready for his Oscar. Yes, but I would take that back

[00:04:33] I would actually give it to any of the other nominated performances before bail Really really? I think bills. I think he's good in the fight But I think it felt like it was that we need to give him a little bit of that and also just

[00:04:48] Yeah, I would give I mean Jeffrey Rush is probably the one maybe I'd be like wow forget Jeffrey Rush He is like the steepest competition. He's good at it I mean, it's good but Jeremy Renner John Hawks and Winters bone, which is an amazing performance

[00:05:01] Yeah, and Ruffalo and the kids are all right, which is like really good kind of the engine of that movie like quietly. Yeah Too quiet for the Oscars. Oh For you. Oh, no. Well, then he fucking yelled in spotlight. They didn't give an Oscar either

[00:05:23] Anyway anyway Renner is not in this movie but a lot and neither is Bassett We're talking about two people who aren't in this film Who else is not in this movie who is left in the mi-verse?

[00:05:33] Not dead. Yeah, I still be scooped back. Paula Patton to come back. Yeah, what's she doing? Not much. She's not remarrying Robin Thicke, which is a great choice Another great choice would be rejoining the Mission Impossible franchise is Redgrave dead

[00:05:48] Well, I guess Vanessa Redgrave the actress is dead. So no She's the one over the family I think she's dead. I think they say Yeah, cuz yeah Is it was it this movie or was it another movie?

[00:06:02] But where you and Max is introduced and she talks about her mother and both of them not not max. Sorry the White Widow Yes, but like rich talks about I think he says your late mother or whatever. Yes. No, she's talked about both of them

[00:06:15] Yeah, Newton. Can we bring her in? Yeah, I'm bringing everyone I'm literally trying to think of who like Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Maggie Q are Canonically still alive, correct like they could come back. Yeah, like what if Maggie Q showed up?

[00:06:28] I like the idea of the next film having a team of everyone. He's worked with in previous movies I mean, you know, there's a point at which I guess you're turning into Rise of Skywalker. I am all the Jedi but I

[00:06:40] Who else and you look before could he come back? He doesn't die and go Be weird for him to still honey. Yes I Do think Leia said you fell out a window Michelle Monaghan still alive She was bid goodbye, yes

[00:06:59] That loop was closed, but we should bring Wes Bentley back. Yeah, and we think like house How's your wife? And he's like, why do you know so much about her? What if they bring back Aaron Paul bring him back?

[00:07:11] He's in three plays the brother. He plays Michelle Monaghan's brother and Okay, or have him die at the start of a yeah and Ethan so sad and the audience is like who is he yeah

[00:07:23] Bring Ricky Gervais back and they like Tom Hollander. You weren't in these and he was like, yeah right Hollander's Prime-minister in five Wolf Blitzer Wolf Blitzer. I mean my favorite I am F. He's coming back

[00:07:39] Yeah, I'm field agent now I got promoted I guess that's it look this is blank check with Griffin and David I'm Griffin Nothing saying and I'm It's I'm David David's

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[00:08:18] True Christopher Nolan film this week could talk about Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning part one a film. I Feel like people are still a little unclear on what the punctuation is on this movie

[00:08:30] Mission-colon impossible always made the subtitles hard on these because you're like the columns in the middle of the proper title, right? Is it a double colon franchise and it's always been mission colon impossible Dash Subtitle right, but then this is adding the part one, right?

[00:08:48] Review dead reckoning part one is all one phrase. There's no punctuation. There's no punctuation It's mission colon impossible em dash dead reckoning part one You can't I mean the only other thing a comma. Yeah, what would be grammatically? I suppose accurate dead record part

[00:09:03] What about parentheses parentheses part one that would that would be just very silly Someone's knocking on the door. I Can't tell if this is a bit or not Ben just went to the bathroom and now someone's knocking on the door

[00:09:16] I'm gonna love it. No, no go look at the people Hi, no bits, okay Cars to mix cars three Blanket I Was handsome that guy was really handsome that guy had the juice, okay I want to explain what just happened Ben went to the bathroom

[00:10:09] The door is closed. There's a knock at the front door of the office We sit here we're like what's going on is this by mistake I Tentatively rise the door you heard all of this. We were recording on this. I rest the door go right

[00:10:23] Just explain it all please this very has run to the bathroom during all this It's very handsome man wearing a bicycle helmet and a reflective vest like a messenger just looks at me very intensely and Says no bits stone-faced

[00:10:41] And I just look at him trying to figure out where this is going and then David you say pro smiths Yep, like oh, this is I Understood I suppose the game of like, you know the it's a mission possible But it opens with a door dash guy

[00:11:00] Anyone opens with a dash guy. So he says no bits. I said pro smiths. Yeah, he says cars to makes cars three look like and I said cars one and they said blanket and I said thank you to a hand of me manila envelope

[00:11:15] And now I'm going to open this Ben is grinning ear-to-ear like a treasure cat And inside here cannot believe this It says beneath the party. It's just one piece of paper Is that me? Wait a second?

[00:11:33] Beneath the party is it is under the desk or is it under the chair? Is it under the chair Marie? Marie is there something under the chair Marie Barty party party is here along with producer Ben who is orchestrating some kind of

[00:11:48] So dark the kind of man no, you're almost there just look under the chair under the legs of the chair Okay Okay. So now there's another There must be something I don't know anyone in this room who likes to do bits with paper no

[00:12:08] No, and certainly Norm Macdonald died. So that leaves a big void in the world of tape recorder I press play. I guess I mean we should find out what it is. What this is Ben. I have no idea this was Good morning, mr. Newman and mr. Sims in

[00:12:24] 2016 on a mission known as pod reacher never go cast you first encountered the writer director Christopher McQuarrie McHugh okay in the years since you have recorded patreon exclusive episodes covering the three other

[00:12:39] McHugh directed films the way of the gun and the missions impossible rogue nation and fallout in what some have dubbed the Stealth McQuarrie miniseries in these encounters you have confronted an incontrovertible truth that McHugh Through his alliance with good actor Tom Cruise has earned a blank check status

[00:12:59] I agree with this eight days ago at the AMC Empire 25 and Times Square You both attended a screening of their latest film mission impossible dead Is that To accept it is to record a two-plus hour discussion about the film and thereafter

[00:13:16] Release that recording to the public. We have already dispatched a team selected from your usual group Marie Barty a code name Barney party will handle social media and help produce the show

[00:13:28] You cool with that and Ben Hosley also known by various aliases will produce peep and detect farts As always should you are any member of the BCP force be caught or killed Apple podcasts are wherever you get your podcasts will disavow all knowledge of your actions

[00:13:45] This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Oh my god Oh My god, but that's not all it's been me the whole time and a mask that looks exactly like my face Okay, so Ben just ripped off a Ben Hosley mask

[00:14:35] Recording this podcast can be annoying. Yeah, it can be a bit of a stressor not impossible It sounds like we're doing a pretty regular Was already making like fairly good progress and setting up the basic idea that then this

[00:14:55] Series of messages assigned to me as if it was gonna be a challenge well, I think it would have been an impossible task if you know if we had to record the episode within a 30 minute that's true. I'm glad they gave us the freedom It feels doable

[00:15:15] Yes, is that message very clearly outlined? Macquarie has been a stealth miniseries earlier in the days of the show Sometimes David and I would just get hyped up about a new release movie and be like fuck it

[00:15:27] We're doing an episode on this right which now there are enough directors We've covered in the past who have new films coming out that we rarely slot in a new release film Outside of the ones we are like obligated to do because who's got the time

[00:15:41] So many pods to do so many casts if we like something we're like, well, maybe we'll cover later in some other form No phrase sends a chill up my spine more than emergency episode not happening, right? Yeah, but we did We'd love look the first Jack Reacher

[00:15:59] We do look when we did that way of the gun episode That was us agreeing and a sort of like a silent handshake of like we will now Macquarie is now officially on our list right if he does a new movie. Yes, we're agreed

[00:16:14] Yeah, cuz it does feel like I mean look he's continued to say last mission impossible not going back ever again And then signing up for another one And this Two-parter had been pitched as like the grand finale and now he's sort of walking that back in the press

[00:16:30] But it does feel like he's always talking about his post mission projects that are very intriguing to me But he's never gonna do them. Well, maybe one day. I don't know. Well, he's got to do eight. Yes

[00:16:44] Into doing nine. I know he's already started talking about what this is in the end Can I can I throw out a theory and I just this is a Griffin Newman on the record no inside sources on this This is just something I think okay, okay

[00:16:58] They announced that they were doing seven and eight back-to-back. That was an announcement, right? After Macquarie was like good luck to the next guy. I wouldn't know how to top myself We knew he was lying. And then of course the surprise announcement. Oh, not only is he back?

[00:17:13] He's doing two right and everyone was like two they're shooting two back-to-back and The attitude was sort of like they probably want to get as much stunt stuff while the getting's good Cruz is on the brink of 60, right and then a global pandemic and changed later

[00:17:29] Their plans got so stretched out in Over the time it they had originally allotted to make both movies together They only got the first one done right and this whole thing has stretched out much longer than anyone expected. Yes

[00:17:46] But the whole announcement was like they're coming back for two final films to close it up Aquarian Cruz are gonna just wrap the whole thing up that had always been the line now that he's promoting part one

[00:17:55] He's like who said we never said we never said we never said I This is my Griffin Newman on the record prediction. I feel like he's gotta die in the next one and if they were advertising it as such in the way that like offend Avengers endgame

[00:18:12] Everyone was like downing Juniors contracts up. They're definitely gonna kill off Iron Man. We know his contracts up This thing of like the public being too wise to the machinations of the planning of these movies that it ruins plot points

[00:18:23] If he's like no, we're talking ideas for nine that still adds some tension you off the scent. That's my guess Why does he have to die? I don't I can't see Ethan Hunt dying

[00:18:32] No, I can see doing a Dark Knight Rises sort of ending where he is. He failed It's finally like time for Ethan to be done. I could see that I Know I just wouldn't buy it. I wouldn't buy him being dead or him retiring

[00:18:48] I'm like now he's just always gonna be waiting for the next that's why I possible, but that's why I think he needs to die I'm just like this guy isn't gonna be freed until he's in the ground

[00:18:57] I'm very anti death in general or just with Ethan Hunt. No in general. Okay as a plot device as You Know Whatever a sort of stakes raising thing. Uh-huh, but then again this movie does a death

[00:19:15] Interesting so meeting my own words, yeah, we're talking Mission Impossible dead reckoning part one That we all saw a week ago at the time of this recording that's right and it comes out later this week Yes This week right it's all about that red door. Yes

[00:19:39] What's behind it and Patrick Wilson's debut as a filmmaker five or six five I forgot he was directing yes That's where I'm just there like making another insidious movie. I'm like guys. Come on Patrick Wilson's directing. I'm like No one of those like quietly fucking durable franchises

[00:20:05] Well, I just think like Oh insidious those like dropped off after a while and you're like for open to 40 The advantage of insidious is unlike say saw or paranormal. It has no Particular canon that I was gonna say That has demons in it, right sometimes, you know

[00:20:23] They start messing with you I've just seen the like still of Patrick Wilson and then like a little red man with a little red man behind him smiling Now imagine Patrick Wilson behind the camera right looking in the viewfinder a little red man, yeah Yeah

[00:20:46] You'd like them there it can't be it's that James Wan thing very sincere They're good. And I love one. I love one and went all Yeah, anyway mission possible. We saw it a week ago. We have tickets to see it again a week Monday from now in IMAX

[00:21:02] so we're recording this in the middle of we we took the train home Murray after the film and you were just like am I gonna be able to remember all of this a week from now because it is it is a

[00:21:12] Plot heavy movie. I think more than the last couple I David you and I have been sharing some takes on over the text but quiet quiet trying to burn them exactly But there are a lot of interesting things

[00:21:26] I think this movie is doing we're recording this in the space before the public at large gets to see it Most of the reviews come out The embargo just lifted right before we started recording

[00:21:37] It did feel like no one's like angry about this movie, but I am sensing that some people are a little disappointed I think it's just because Fallout was like ultimate adrenaline rush. Don't name names. It'd be rude Well, you know at least a couple people. Yeah

[00:21:51] Kind of came around to it. Has he yeah, he gave it a B+. And wrote some glowing things about it He can go to hell. I give him an a triple plus this movie. That's what I give it Love you David already berated you in text

[00:22:03] You and I have the same stance on this and I unapologetically love this movie it got me amped as fuck It was exactly what I wanted in a summer where I have really been struggling with most of the blockbusters

[00:22:16] But that we both felt like this movie is a strategic zag Yes I think the movies have been escalating on a specific line and it was like going to be impossible for it to keep on outdoing itself and

[00:22:29] It also feels to me like this movie is very pointedly starting to like go back to point one Which is where I like believe that they are consciously trying to wrap this thing up. I think you're right But did you pay that guy to say all that stuff?

[00:22:44] I was worried it was a fan of the show. I was our address. He Griff was actually So straight you said I almost thought he was a like a psychopath

[00:22:56] Telegram type of thing. No, just hit his marks. You know, I mean, he's a friend. Oh, he is a friend. Okay He is an actor. Okay, name is Tao Olsen. Okay. I mean, he's a great guy great performance We have to I think he did it

[00:23:10] Really lines. Yeah Griff was talking about the series. I'm like, uh-huh Wait, wait I didn't realize the noise was coming from the front door I thought it was Ben knocking on the door of the bathroom and you were having some sort of bathroom emergency

[00:23:27] I had to like go to the bathroom during that so we were just left scrambling I couldn't help myself. Okay, and that was funny. It was really good 10 comedy points Yeah, and and and shout out to

[00:23:44] Tao Tao as well as Patrick Willems. Yes great performances. I wish I got a picture of the guy Is he still here we were so like it's hard to convey This was It was good though. It was well executed was great. Yeah but but

[00:24:03] The first mission impossible when it came out the original Brian de Palma film, which we have covered on patreon Everyone's thing was like this movie's impossible to follow right? That was the beat on it

[00:24:14] You read all the reviews at the time and they're like this movie is incomprehensible Incomprehensible That's wild wild wild Cuz it feels just like that movie feels simplistic almost by the standards of how LeBron the in most franchise plotting has become

[00:24:28] It's true. It's really just like it was John Voight all along and you're like, okay, right? How's a twisty turny plot? I can't write, you know Thing where it's like there's a lot of jargon, but the jargon doesn't really matter Yeah

[00:24:41] Which I think people were just kind of not used to of like either this is Tom Clancy and this is like well researched Even if it's pulpy sure or it's Star Wars and nothing matters and they're like this movie is taking place in the real world

[00:24:52] And everything they're saying sounds silly to me This movie feels like it's very tonally kind of back to that the Palma zone I felt like some of the references were intentional. Yeah, of course and bringing in Henry Cerny is

[00:25:08] final the final action sequence, I'm just like very much in a much but there's also this early sequence where There's The briefing the kit Ridge is doing with Carrie Elwes on the entity who will talk about a lot

[00:25:23] And I think has some really interesting ideas. I think he's got some interesting ideas In his entity pill. I'm kind of into the entity I think it's charismatic and he's got some good points But Ben was saying like it was weird

[00:25:39] Like the way they were talking it was like everyone was like completing each other sentences. You have this like boardroom of like Rob Delaney and Mark Gatiss in Giro Varma, yes And they're all finishing each other's and sandwiches. Yes Charles Parnell Charles Parnell warlock himself. Yes

[00:26:01] Do you think Charles Parnell and also wasn't Greg Tarzan Davis? The junior member You think it was like he makes Top Gun and is like I want to bring my two friends on this movie It was like I think Tarzan Davis has talked about on set

[00:26:19] Cruz was like would you want to do this? We're thinking maybe we could like write something for you. Very nice of him We like you Yeah But but like that scene is sort of like very stilted on purpose as you're saying it's like very theatrical

[00:26:36] It's people like monologuing about like the intensity of the situation Yes in this way that I do think is like a vibe adjustment I but there's something else about that scene. That's very important, which is it's like them all being like

[00:26:53] Can we once and for all get down on paper? What is the IMF? Yes What is his position in the US intelligence community? What do they called on for like what is their specific remit?

[00:27:02] Right. What why do they exist? Yes to what extent does the president know they exist now in the way It's described in this movie. I think does kind of go against How it's been presented in other movies like in three they have an office

[00:27:18] This does not suggest they have an office Right, if that makes sense Yes, you know in for Tom Wilkinson is that classic thing from the TV show The Secretary for the IMF right which they haven't had Secretary in a couple exactly then Baldwin gets that role, right?

[00:27:31] Yes, you know but like right that seems to have gone away now one just dies in the last one There's no secretary in this one, right? But now it's just sort of become like no they're like a traveling troop of entertainers Yes And if you you know

[00:27:42] Put a note in an apple and throw it into you know The fucking oceans and Ethan Hunt will get word I do think it's funny that this movie starts to make the IMF seem a little bit more like the triple-x program where it's like

[00:27:54] We get the most dangerous people in the war, right? Off the grid there. They added some backstory for Ethan Hunt which feels Maybe like it was a very much a new thing. That is not present all the way

[00:28:08] I want to rewatch the diploma which I've seen many times Since we did the commentary like three weeks fucking owned Yeah, but like that movie references his parents. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm and that movie very much is like He's an agent. He's like a good government boy

[00:28:23] Like he's you know He's shiny 90s Tom Cruise's him like he's one of the other guys in the interview room in men in black Then it's like you're the best of the best of the best here. He was a top

[00:28:35] Something what I thought was interesting is, you know We all talk about Ethan Hunt is a living manifestation of destiny an agent of chaos He is a singular figure the way he's introduced in in one

[00:28:46] It's just lots of two shots of him and Emilio or like all of the the crew around a table It does not identify Tom. Well, it's like they're trying to also kind of shock you

[00:28:59] Everyone's gonna die. It looks like he's like a member of a team. He's just one Yes, he's not the guy yeah, but that's always been I think the thing that McCrory did that was really smart as

[00:29:11] Like the first three movies in particular first two. It's like who is this guy? He's a cypher, right? Three comes in the moment where Cruz is starting to like go off the tracks and they're like we're gonna super ground him

[00:29:25] We're gonna show you that he like has a home life and a wife and he's trying to balance normal He has the most normal sex it's boring, right? And then the movies since then have basically framed that as like he tried he could not do it. Mm-hmm, right?

[00:29:39] He is just this and in the movie since then he has just become an insane man Right who just gathers people like he's you know, a rolling stone or whatever Addicted to saving the world and his only like his his vice his his greatest

[00:29:54] Weakness is the idea of a single person dying. I think he cannot handle to bite it right one death But like in ghost protocol, right? It's like there's another team the Josh Holloway Paula Patton, right?

[00:30:04] Right. There's still the concept Oh Benji got promoted by like a boss, right? And then like and the more we go on the more it's like no the IMF or like this clown show that the CIA Yeah, can I ask another?

[00:30:18] I don't know if there is an answer to it within the lore. Okay The IMF is not strictly American, correct? Says who I think it is. I think it is. Yeah, it is strictly American. Yeah

[00:30:31] What's your proud to be American? Hey, we're recording this on the 5th of July But then Elsa's being former British, but she's not in the he's never been a part of the IMF officially, okay

[00:30:49] Benji yeah is always working for the IMF. Yes. He is English, but he's English. Yes And here's what happened there. They cast Simon Pegg in the role. Yeah and worked backwards from there. Okay? Yes, I just know

[00:31:01] I mean it is distensibly an American, but then okay, so the first movie Emmanuel Bayard is sure. Yes Yeah, no the first movie. They're very international. Yeah, Kirsten Scott Thomas, right as we all know, you know, Emilio Estevez is Venezuelan, I don't know he's American but uh

[00:31:22] No, you're these are all fine questions, there's never been answers to any of these now I'm not a viewer of the TV show. Uh-huh. Neither mine I don't know if the TV show which is obviously separate never has more right has more on this

[00:31:35] But they're here to handle, you know America's Impossible missions. Yes, and they do that with a palm Yes, but this movie is very much like yeah We they're sort of like almost like contractors for the weirdest stuff, right?

[00:31:49] And he's the weirdest of all them the point I was building up to here is that like It was a franchise for a while. That was unique in the fact that it like wasn't really about its lead character

[00:32:00] It was about the movie star and it was a vehicle for the styles of directors and you were like Can you define who Ethan Hunt is at all? and you're like

[00:32:07] He's a guy that Tom Cruise plays and then I think it starts and goes protocol when Macquarie comes in as a writer and Then really gets raised to the next level when he starts directing the films of like Oh, no

[00:32:18] The key is that like Ethan Hunt is Tom Cruise that you'd like take everything that is simultaneously Captivating and like a little bit unnerving about this guy and his like single-minded devotion and the movies have now become basically about Tom Cruise's like

[00:32:34] Absurd pathological commitment to the idea of like keeping an idea of movies alive Yes, and I do movie stardom and all this you know as of course was As it seems to just all Tom Cruise movies. That's what all is right. Yes

[00:32:48] And I I think I think Macquarie had sort of like tapped into is like oh The first the TV show was always a team The first movie the team dies at the beginning and that's sort of the fake-out right and then he's like I don't have a team

[00:33:01] I work alone. It's just being brains in two and three He's got a team that doesn't stick in four They assign him a team and he's like by the way, just know you are not my team

[00:33:10] Like he keeps on saying he's got like team guilt at that point because right? Yeah It's like this guy has never gotten over letting that team die Right in the first movie not letting them die but not being able to save them And so he's just like well

[00:33:21] I can't I cannot get involved with a team ever again And then the last couple movies this team has built around him and now you've added this sort of like original like sin of his life, which is he like in his days of being like

[00:33:37] Aladdin yeah, he was Aladdin. He was like a pickpocket One step ahead. Yeah, I don't know what he was but he was sure he was in violation of the law

[00:33:48] Have a note in my notes saying Ethan Hawks gum bum question mark not even even hunt. Mmm scum bum Yeah question about mark greasy greasy long hair that I don't buy Yeah, you had some pushback on the hair didn't feel right to me

[00:34:03] What year do we think that would be if the first movie is 96 91 so by the time we he's only in the IMF for five years by the time we get to How old is he in? 34

[00:34:18] It's a grunge era. How long do you want the man to be? Yeah. Yeah, he would be yeah He'd be 30 years old in 1992. So let's even say the late 80s. Yeah, right on the 4th of July

[00:34:27] He had long hair in that 4th of July. No Tom Cruise was famously born on the 5th of July I'm not joking second most patriotic day today

[00:34:36] Are we recording this in Tom Cruise's birthday? I take it back the 3rd of July. I knew it was one day off I just need to remember which direction America's third most patriotic day. Happy birthday, Tom. Yeah. All right

[00:34:46] He made like a whole thing about like how happy he was to celebrate his birthday with Mission Impossible fans around the world Nothing, he loves more This whole movie though is about like he's like I have finally

[00:34:59] Accepted that I care about my team and they are my team right and now it drives me insane That like all I care about is trying to keep them alive Right the sense of selflessness that is almost like pathological within him but

[00:35:17] Kristen record does these great Empire magazine? hours long podcast interviews whenever a new Mission Impossible comes out break out the whole thing right and he talked a lot about when fallout

[00:35:26] Came out where you have the extended sequence where it feels like they don't stop the explosion from going right and you're like, oh god The world is a being nuked right like they blew it the cold open this movie is they fucked up

[00:35:39] Like how can you start a movie this way? I'm a car is like I want to play with the audience thinking are they fucking like are they the filmmakers fucking up, right? Are they ruining this movie?

[00:35:48] Are they breaking this franchise and then you have the reverse always wolf blitzer. It was staged. They got the passcodes They stopped the thing from happening. They fake the news footage. All that stuff is great This movie starts with this submarine sequence with no characters you recognize

[00:36:03] Speaking in Russian, right? Yes. It feels very hunt for Red October not just because of its setting but even just its style I think this whole movie feels very McTiernan in its style Little bit. Well, I mean the man made a great submarine movie

[00:36:18] You have this voiceover explaining this like sort of this thing they have on board that looks like a bomb But seems to be only way you can unlock it is with two keys Put together

[00:36:34] Yeah, it's kind of also kind of a throwback to the knock list. Yeah in the first movie were there too. Yes I'm Bo I like it. I do love a yeah a fun fancy key though But this is like very This is like very straightforward

[00:36:48] Very earnest very dramatic right and they're like looking at their radar screen and there seems to be a missile coming Right, and then it like doesn't hit and they're like what's going on?

[00:36:59] And I'm sitting there waiting for the moment where like it turns out what they thought was a missile with ease Then was Ethan Hunt he rips the door off with his bare hands, right or the submarine captain rips his mask off

[00:37:08] And it was him and he was faking or whatever and instead no a missile hits them The thing blows up they sink to the bottom of the ocean and you're like, well This is a deliberate choice to start out the movie with none of the characters

[00:37:21] We know something actually going wrong and it sets like a pallor over the film Immediately in a way that I thought was like well this is interesting because he darker went out of his way to

[00:37:31] Subvert the expectation that maybe he was doing that in the last movie and now he's like no I am doing this and they also have a weird computer on board that goes like Yeah

[00:37:41] Yes, every time it does something bad. Yeah, it looks cool does it do you think it looks cool? Yeah, looks like a screensaver. It does look like it's like a big thingy. Yeah They hit themselves with their own missile, yeah torpedo, right? Yeah the

[00:37:57] Computer it was an act of self-preservation, right this thing. The entity was not Even hinted at in any of the trailers. I feel like I did not know going in

[00:38:07] There's only one hint which is the logo of the film itself is the entity right circular sort of interface, but that is it I did not know this was an AI

[00:38:16] Film no that started coming out after the premiere people were like so the villains like AI and I was like well What do you mean by that? And they were like it's like an AI

[00:38:24] And I was like, I thought it was like Eastside Morales and they were like sure but it's really an AI He's kind of the AI is henchman. Yeah, he's the AI is like Avatar, yeah, you know And so that was surprising

[00:38:37] But the trailers were obviously all just like you have to make a choice. Yeah, this is the craziest thing that's ever happened Pick a side all that shit, you know is the fucking Mad Men promo, right?

[00:38:47] But we go from that to another door another scene of the door Ethan Hunt living in some weird a barren abandoned space Yeah, I'm ordering door dash. Yes in Amsterdam. It's right, but it's not door dash. It's like

[00:39:01] Whatever, you know like food now, right but in fact it is this guy delivering his message Yeah, he's an agent in training or whatever. He's like giving him the tips of how to write Get started and then we like we have our mission which is

[00:39:17] Elsa Elsa Faust our friend Rebecca Ferguson Has now acquired one half has the key you don't know why you have to get it back from her Her dead right you can get it back from her alive or dead what you do with her is up to you. Yeah

[00:39:34] And then we cut to this big Barnstorming desert thing where Ethan's getting her and she's being chased by all the bad guys She's got a little eye patch at one point. That's so cute No hat. I mean, come on. It's Rose

[00:39:50] It's Rose the Hat. Oh, but that's only when she's in character as Rose the Hat. I guess I like Cannon as Rose Anywhere, I see her. So what do you want? Like a like a dr. Seuss hat in this one

[00:40:02] You want like a cat in the hat? Yeah, and I want her to suck some damn steam. Yeah There was a moment where they're like looking for Ethan I guess I don't know everyone's everyone's out to get her right and the camera

[00:40:17] Like pans over and you see that Ethan is hiding behind like a sandbank with his horse who is lying flat And he's stroking like the side of the horse and then when the other men clear friend animals in like one

[00:40:31] Fluid motion the horse just gets up with him on top of it, right and you gasp David Yeah, I mean, I just very impressed by the physics of horses all the time. Yeah. Yeah Cool. Yes Friends animals. Yeah. Yeah

[00:40:48] You know, he's sort of like a thoroughbred himself Ethan hunt he understands yeah, but you see him What I mean, I guess you see him get to her then it cuts out of there. No, no, it seemed they do a fake out

[00:41:01] It looks like she's dead or something. You're like, oh my god, then he cut back to the Yes, the whole Henry Zerny right journey How do you say it? I don't know Zerny Zerny Zerny Zerny Zerny Zerny Zerny. Yeah, really good in ready or not

[00:41:17] Yeah, I think fucking Unbelievable in this movie. He is greatness. He's great. Just the incredible just sort of like staring at someone Growling yeah He's a he's a great What do you want to call him sort of?

[00:41:36] You know stick in the mud prank pot, right so much anger in this in a way that's interesting, right? This movie is very skeptical of the US sort of intelligence apparatus

[00:41:50] Which I would say the last few movies have all kind of nodded at this is a little more Concrete about it. I think this movie is very skeptical of everything. I think I do

[00:42:00] I think the ship I think that's one of the only things that holds dear as An absolute truth in this world. Yes No, there's a there's a lot of people saying look we were trying to make this movie like more of like a 70s political thriller

[00:42:14] Right, right, but I feel like often it's kind of a performative thing and it ends up being like oh like one organization is bad But you can believe in all other organizations or whatever it is Right, right

[00:42:24] And this is a movie that is kind of like reality feels like it's sort of falling apart at the seams this is like a destabilizing time to be alive and

[00:42:33] Everyone is just kind of confused and worry and skeptical and I do think we're seeing a lot of things try to write about AI Right now and I think the thing this movie gets right that makes it like one of more interesting dramatic

[00:42:47] Explorations of AI for me is just the feeling of unease of like it's not even that we should definitely be afraid of this thing It's that we don't we know we don't understand it unpredictable and we don't understand the speed

[00:42:58] Which it's going and the moment where we figure out what it is It's gonna be too late in one way or another like it will settle on itself before we realize

[00:43:07] What it's settled on and I do think that just adds to this air of everything of like we've created this thing This thing has been created. It's existing out there. We have lost control of it

[00:43:16] We just don't know what anything is anymore and they view Ethan with that sort of skepticism as well Where they're like we've trained this guy in this program and now every single fucking movie he goes rogue

[00:43:27] He goes rogue and he does some crazy thing that we don't understand He pulls it off, but no one really wants to like be held accountable for what he's doing But I also just think it's sort of that, you know, the US government has decided it wants this

[00:43:43] AI thing not because they know what they can do with it, but just because everyone else wants it too Yeah, so we better go first. Yes, because it'll be make us best right and everyone it's it's sort of like It's like an Indiana Jones artifact, right

[00:43:59] It's a thingy but it's also the thing where they're just like this thing is so fucking powerful you don't understand Everyone thinks like well everyone has the Ben attitude of like well if I got it

[00:44:09] I would know how to work it and I would figure everything out. Yeah, and everything would be the best right? Whereas I think most Mission Impossible movies. They're like this guy has a bomb and

[00:44:20] He's will set off the bomb unless you give him a lot of money and he's a psychopath Let me think about there's no reason why he's doing it really in the first one

[00:44:27] It's the knock list which is basically like a list of all the CIA agents, right? That's the MacGuffin That's really what they're after the whole time, right? Sure. The second one. It's a virus, right?

[00:44:36] You know deadly virus. Yeah, Mira the chimera bad. Yes, the third one. It's total bullshit It's the rabbits, but we never even know what it is Is that it doesn't matter classic, right, you know the fourth one back to more straightforward

[00:44:51] This guy wants to set up nuclear bombs because he thinks that'd be good. Yes, right That's your saying he's like it would be good for that to happen right to the world. Yes fifth one

[00:45:00] Well, I guess now we're in the you know fucking Sean Harris character. Yes. What's his name? Solomon Lane Solomon Lane, you know and it's what do they want? They kind of want to disrupt the world order right with him and John Larkin six

[00:45:14] Yeah, that's the one where rogue agents. Yeah, the rogue agents we thought were dead A rogue nation if you correct, okay Right, so there's like, you know

[00:45:28] That's what I'm saying. It's sort of creeping in this sort of like undercurrent of like whatever it is the current world order Yeah, we're skeptical. We want to do the opposite

[00:45:37] But it's also it's like radicals who come in either want power or want to like disrupt the status quo You know the natural order of things or whatever it is and this movie. Yes, the call is coming from inside the house Yes

[00:45:49] And it's also like we thought I say Morales was going to be the main villain and instead you're like he's no he's like the muscle Man for this villain that no one understands that is this like unknown

[00:46:01] Yeah, the power is the thing itself. I was feeling very paranoid Immediately from the submarine scene, which I think is the intent of the movie so that when a mysterious person

[00:46:14] Enters the CIA briefing. Yes, and the camera keeps cutting to them a very severe looking man with like spiky hair Looks in the trailer. I thought it was Shea Wiggin with the glasses on he kind of looks like her

[00:46:27] Yeah, doesn't matter. I said to David I was like this feels like an X-Files thing I literally thought that man was like the the entity had figured out how to like have a human shell Yes, so it ends up being Tom Cruise with a face mask Yeah

[00:46:43] And Ehrlich has not stopped making fun of me ever since we saw the movie Oh Marie didn't realize it was Tom Cruise made it realize was Tom Cruise. I'm like, you know what he's annoying

[00:46:52] That guy also got like such a key shot in the trailer because his little glasses and his little face mask look cool when he sets That I was I was with you I was like it has the entity already taken human form

[00:47:03] Yeah, which it does not in this movie but it's just this feeling of like it is everywhere and I think this is the other big thing with this movie is like

[00:47:13] These movies have like not been super invested in continuity, right and Macquarie talks a lot about like I hate fan service I hate Easter eggs. I don't think that like really lasts

[00:47:25] Those are like kind of cheap pops sure don't linger you don't want to do it for no reason, right? Yeah, and then this movie is like tying back into one more Bringing up max more putting Kittredge in it hitting that tonally

[00:47:38] Invoking the train chase from the end of the first one There is this feeling that like you're watching a movie that is being written by the entity, right? like one of the things that is interesting about this movie is like

[00:47:52] They're all operating not totally knowing if what they're trying to do is correct Because the entity is like fucking with the fabric of reality So much sure. What does that mean? Well, like how does it do that? Is it influencing people in the sense of?

[00:48:12] Through social media right and getting people in real time to change their opinion or their minds about a person or a thing How are they changing reality in the physical world well, there's like shit like what the first main mission they have is

[00:48:29] What this thing where it's like we need to give a fake key to the guy who's bought the other half the keys so we Can scan it and figure out It's this thing where the guys can get in a plane and they go to the airport and Dubai

[00:48:41] They want to follow the guy with one half the key to wherever he's going What the Relatively simple mission, but it's a classic mission possible

[00:48:51] I have glasses that will scan the key and they'll find it in his pocket and they'll create a dummy and then we'll place the Key on him and do this and do that yeah, a

[00:49:00] Very classic kind of clever like here are the steps. I'm gonna wear a nice suit They're not what I'm trying to remember if they're making a dummy or not because like their whole thing is like we can't actually Do that we need to follow the key, right?

[00:49:13] Right, so they actually have like they're pretending they're gonna do that maybe but but yes He has glasses and there's this very cool effect. Look that whole sequence is great Yeah, your points the airport sequence and in Dubai or Abu Dhabi or wherever it is

[00:49:26] Great mission impossible stuff. You've got Tom doing this one thing. Yeah, people are chasing Tom. That's element two Yes And then you've got you know Luther and Benji on the computers and then Benji has to go off to do mission three

[00:49:39] Which is there's a bomb in a bag I got to defuse the bomb and is there and then of course then there's Haley Atwell showing up Yes as a pickpocket who's this new person? Yeah, she's an unstable element

[00:49:49] She's also after the key but maybe for different reasons all this stuff is happening and I think you're trying it like it turns out There's no bomb. Yes. There's no key. There's no buyer. It's all vapor, right? It's all in the cloud or whatever

[00:50:01] They're doing this shit, right? Like there's this bit where share Wiggum Tarzan Davis are trying to find Ethan Hunt and cut him off at the pass and they're using like the security

[00:50:09] monitors to track where he is in which quarter of the airport and they think they found him and when they go up to the Guy, it's a guy with entirely different face and it's like Oh Benji and Luther have done some clever

[00:50:20] Security system and they've like fucking deep faked his face onto the wrong people and a wrong face on to him So they can't find him and then like the entity starts doing shit like that Well, like it erases essay Morales in real time. He's high I'm sorry

[00:50:33] He's time or Alice in real time from the security footage where they can't find him it is like setting targets that are false It's funny that the entity is kind of like a troll. Yes. He's just like Reek, you know like wreaking havoc for the lulls

[00:50:47] It's like I don't know this bomb way, right? Did they go and find that Benji finds that's asking him riddles that are weirdly personal that he has to solve It makes him say the thing he cares most about are his friends, right?

[00:50:59] Movies have started to weaponize friend as an idea in the same way the Fast and Furious weaponized his friend family But it's also it's just right if this algorithm doesn't care about any of that obviously, right? soulless out mocking him mocking him but also

[00:51:13] Identifying that as the weakness. Yeah, and that's what the the Subsequent action is about right? He's like I know this is the thing that will throw you off balance

[00:51:22] Right right after your friends because the bomb opens up and there's nothing inside something inside and it's like oh the the trick was ha Ha I got you admit that you care about people but also it was capturing his voice

[00:51:31] Correct and all that which it then uses a little later I like right Tom Cruise is following the model of how Mission Impossible movie works Benji's in his ear and he tells him where to

[00:51:40] Go now Marie only the entities writing fake dialogue and sending them in the wrong directions Marie, I thought I was saying later I Feel like you thought Simon Pegg was maybe gonna bite it in this scene, right?

[00:51:53] There is that sort of element where you're kind of like we're so many movies and someone's gonna die Is there is that going to happen? Is there gonna be some kind of early tone setting surprising death to just sort of keep

[00:52:05] You know the same time. I thought as soon as he said that he loved his friend, right? Then I was like, oh, well, he's dead. That's when I pulled back. That's when I was like, it's too obvious

[00:52:13] I think I think you'll be okay. And also Benji is too soft a target Yeah, that's that's my main thing like that was just waiting his trick always was good You know the softest target, but I think it's too easy to kill the cuddliest least threatening, right?

[00:52:27] So like and then very shortly after Tom Cruise hugged Rebecca Ferguson on a balcony I don't know how you guys felt and we are spoiling the movie, but I was like she's dead fuck dead. Yeah immediately yeah, and it wasn't because just because

[00:52:42] That moment is sort of lingered on but I was also just like he cannot fuck in these movies, right? I'm sorry to be crass. Yeah, no, we can't Relationship is coming to a point where it's like what is this? Yes, if not romantic, yes, right

[00:52:56] Like they have a connection that's a little bit beyond everyone else's connection, right? Yeah, and fallout kind of ended with that moment of it feeling like Michelle Monaghan being like, okay

[00:53:07] Right, right and there is just this feeling. Well, Ethan's not actually allowed to like be in love again No one else is the same way like they're both actually capable of being in normal person I don't think it's like a I don't think it's an emotional thing

[00:53:20] I think it's like a doctor strange love like they need to protect their precious bodily fluids But like no fap existence But like I'm not someone who thinks very hard about like

[00:53:39] The casting or promotion or like where I'm trying to figure out like what will the plot points be? But the second I saw that I was like, oh I think Fergie might be done for also adding and then I start to think

[00:53:50] Like, oh right. They've added in Haley at yeah. Oh, I'm starting to think about sort of the balance of this all together. Yes. Yes And then I was starting to think like well also maybe is record Ferguson

[00:54:01] Maybe the one actor who in the press stores is kind of like this is a very stressful thing to make it's kind of a lot It's funny

[00:54:09] They always talk about like cuz she's like the first person to enter into these movies and kind of be Tom Cruise's equal. Mm-hmm, and Then they talk about and she talks about like she is so different than Tom Cruise and how she we don't have similar styles

[00:54:22] No, it's like they can both hit the same effect, but she's like a very thoughtful internal sensitive She does not have like endless stamina. She does not love doing stunt training pregnant making fallout, right? Yes. Yeah, you know

[00:54:36] Maybe she was kind of like I don't know. I'm sure Dislikes these but she's like I find acting hard. It's not like a thing. I get like a lot of adrenaline

[00:54:44] That's all I love her. I love her too. And the more stressed out she talks about being him or I love her Bless she's making dune in between these as well. It's like those are Silo in an Apple series called silo

[00:54:58] No, leave can't leave. That's all I know about silos. You can't leave the silo. You can't Is it like a grain silo no, they like live in a silo Like what is this and you look and it starts like five Pulitzer Prize winners?

[00:55:16] Jimmy Carter's in the main cast of silo Toxic future as community exists in a giant underground silo that plunges hundreds of stories deep There are people live in a society full of regulations. They believe are meant to protect them. Does that crazy people in the supporting cast?

[00:55:35] It's kind of pretty Harriet Walter David a yellow common. Mm-hmm, but Haley I was introduction He's seeing that there is a pickpocket who pulled the key from the target that he's scanning with his glasses and

[00:55:53] Rather than like viewers arrival. He's like game recognized game, right? Let me go to her. Let me draw her in I wrote this down. I was really happy to see Ethan Hawke do Street or not. Ethan Hawke Jesus

[00:56:06] Ethan Hunt yes do street magic again. He's back to fucking David Blaine shit. He's doing like close-up sleight of hand And this is that whole sequence. So good, but he's still in this thing where he's like, I'm Ethan Hunt

[00:56:19] I can make anything work, right? Yeah, definitely the movie starts to break him down as it goes on a little bit Yeah, I was rewatching, you know all the Mission Impossible's in preparation

[00:56:32] Missions impossible and I think he does Street magic in two does he he's got the big bit in one Is it in what I thought he did it in two definitely doesn't in one

[00:56:42] I just does it with the mic the the floppy disk or whatever. Oh, you're right Remember the least about to yeah, I've seen it multiple times It's just the one that doesn't stick in my head as much other than

[00:56:53] On the same gun we respect I like the all the sexy stuff like when they're in the bathtub I like that, but I want it to be better and more of it Yeah, you know, I mean I like the idea of him being horny

[00:57:06] Yeah, but it feels like the movie's sort of like should we float this and then quickly with Ethan Hunt? They're like, no, I think too is like interesting as the midlife crisis movie where it's like this guy's whole team died in front of

[00:57:18] Him. How is he doing? Great? I'm doing great I fuck a bunch of women. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm never been happier. I like being free Griffin

[00:57:26] That's such a good reading of it right? He's like look how cool him I run in slow motion. I'm fine. I'm doing unbelievable I'm so friends with Ving Rhames Is the only person who can be on his everyone else is dead. Yes

[00:57:41] It's just that he doesn't retain anyone from to there's no right friends getting carried over from to I'll say this I thought I thought Ving was gonna be the one to die in this movie. That just seems to me. That's like killing Hagrid

[00:57:54] That's why I was like, this is the move that would be so staggering This is the one guy who's been continuity There's a moment in fallout where he's in danger. You should have wonder they do a fake

[00:58:06] Right, maybe instead of killing Ethan and then in the final movie, it's they kill Luther. That's just yeah No, I I want I want Luther cuz Luther could live a normal life Luther could retire, right? But I think Ving is so fucking locked in in this movie Yes

[00:58:23] He's really where it feels like he has to be in a thing He started to do increasingly over the sequels be the like the emotional translator for Ethan Well, Ethan will come in and say the super intense shit gets him the best and he'll leave the room

[00:58:36] And then he'll be like you need to understand Benji is still a little bit like well And then and Ilsa obviously it doesn't she's not really an emotional person Luther's like I've been with him for so long That's Ethan's way of saying X

[00:58:51] He's also most crucial in this because this movie is sort of introducing the idea that IMF agents are all People who were once on the run and in their most desperate moment, right?

[00:59:00] We're identified by our government which by the way was how we were introduced to Luther. He was saying Yeah, he makes the most sense is like where we were like, well, we've actually seen that play out right with him

[00:59:10] Yes now with Benji it more feels like Benji, you know took a few tests, right? You know, it was like a hacker that no immediately while I'm watching this movie. I start doing that right internal revision of like Make sense to me

[00:59:22] He hacked into something he shouldn't have hacked into but it doesn't feel like all of them are necessarily like insane like high-risk criminals but that all of them were just like on the wrong side of the law and they go like we can either arrest you or

[00:59:35] You can use your skills for us Right and that's then I start thinking about like, okay, so in the office You know the janitors is it like someone who was such a good janitor?

[00:59:46] Yeah, he got in over his head and he was like janitoring for the wrong guys Yeah, the government was like we got a great janitor position for you I was thinking about that with Luther's hats. Like what was their backstory? Well, were they bad hats?

[01:00:01] Well, if you notice the hats the hats are never straight. They're always at an angle So they're kind of rebellious Did you guys see my pitch on Twitter for young Luther? Oh look at Twitter anymore. Okay. Sorry

[01:00:12] I should have put it on blue sky. It's really good right now It's really finally entered its final. Yeah Just like this like mutant goblin Every account is like a fucking Ripley clone from resurrection

[01:00:31] What was your pitch for a young Luther I did see that I just think that you know If you want to expand the franchise because clearly we have to end with Tom

[01:00:38] Yeah, like he physically is not going to be able to but if we want to like mine more IP I want to see an 80s urban techno thriller starring young Luther. Look I'm all for that. Although I am sort of

[01:00:50] I'm skeptical of young thing. Yeah, cuz you got a recast That works really well every time But he still moved like 20 20s being rain no offense to 20 20 I'm in the prime is life. I'm in the prime my life, but I kind of feel like sitting down right now

[01:01:07] It's a lot of scenes where he just chooses to sit down, right? Yeah That's the other thing I'm all for it. I'm all for 80s a freaker vibes, you know, pH freaker. Yeah. Yeah The fact that that that Ving Rhames does not move as well anymore

[01:01:23] And he like basically just always has to be in a chair behind a computer in every scene well, not just that but we talk like there's the scene in this movie where the final act is revving up where Luther's like

[01:01:32] Ethan I gotta go. I'm gonna look into some of this stuff. I won't be in the rest of the film But there's a reason for it. Goodbye. It might as well just be being being like you're gonna be running around

[01:01:47] His weariness they have owned and I have made it this thing where he's like cuz you have all these scenes He's running around in fallout and you're like is can someone just check?

[01:01:58] This one they're very consciously like I'm just gonna go yeah, I love I love the part where he's just like so exasperated by the fact that like He says something crazy. Like I have to hack into it like offline and I'm like thinking like what does that mean?

[01:02:13] It's going to like take a like Paper clip into the side of a lab actually knows clipping. Yeah, so he's gonna actually get to know him I went to school with clipping Clippy bounces out from behind and my friend is

[01:02:30] Okay, so wait, so can we talk about let's talk about Gabriel Yes, okay He's doing the close-up Slight of hand with how he at while trying to like charm her into like and and you can help us and we'll pay you twice

[01:02:45] As much and whatever. I know you're a good pickpocket. Are you good put pocket? He's fucking master of the universe like king shitting her and then he just sees out of the corner of his eye This guy's fucking face. Yes, and

[01:02:57] Is that have we already seen the flashback? I think we have haven't we they do those very early He's a little DH flashbacks. Very brief It's just sort of like make a little wear Yeah, I think that was but Cruz is notably not DH

[01:03:17] I think it's the incredible decision to be like cast him in shadow and you see that he was we need we need to discuss We'll talk about it. We'll talk about not about the hair about the woman. Oh sure. Well, who's the woman Marie Marie Bardi party?

[01:03:30] Bardi is the character the name of the characters Marie that characters. Yeah, Ethan lost a woman named Marie We don't know anything else about right But that is what you know caused him to enter the IMS and at the hands of Gabriel who is a bad person

[01:03:45] Yes, that's really all we know. I was just really excited. Yeah I'm sorry. It's Mariella Gariga. Uh-huh plays Marie Looks like she's done But another another of the the Ethan Hunt brunettes, right? Which is another part of like this. This is in this movie

[01:04:06] They're kind of like, you know, you can only orbit him for a couple years before you know It's gonna displace you or whatever, right? But but also the like The is the entity kind of writing this movie. I'm not saying in a meta way, right?

[01:04:20] But like is the entity or orchestrating events specifically to get to Ethan Hunt because the the root of this movie is So many people want the entity because they think if they use it they can be Right They'll know how to handle it

[01:04:35] The entity what its endgame is is unclear at this but it's self-aware and the idea that anyone can control it is kind of ludicrous Except I guess if you have this magic key, then maybe you can right The are you could at the very least shut it down

[01:04:47] Which is its greatest fear, right and it basically believes anyone who comes into my orbit will be so Intoxicated by the idea of the power I control that I can take over them except for one person

[01:04:58] There's one person in the universe. I have an a lot of Chris. Yes Yes Who is the one person who is selflessly committed to this idea of keeping humanity on the straight and narrow? But I think it's beyond that it is. Yes, it's identified Ethan's

[01:05:12] Good character. Yeah, it's also identified like reality warps around this man in ways that are beyond Algorithmic understanding. Yeah, right. He he will make the impossible possible, right?

[01:05:24] He doesn't he has to memorize the nuclear codes. He just does it but there's a point where like where Luther says to him Like what's your endgame Ethan? He says something like making sure that no one ever dies and Luther's like that's impossible

[01:05:36] Right, right exactly and later he tries to make this promise to Haley Atwell where he's just like I will make sure You never die and they're like Ethan you can't promise that and he adjusts it to something like I promise you

[01:05:49] I will always prioritize your life above my own and it's the sense of in this like the weird figure that Tom Cruise has turned into Where it's like this guy just it's just so committed to this idea of

[01:06:03] Movies have to stay intact. You need to do things for real in front of a camera the old-fashioned way I don't care about anything else right where the entity is like this guy actually doesn't do anything for himself

[01:06:16] So there's no way to appeal to him on that level So what I need to do is hit all of his like pressure points Right, you need to put a new brunette in front of him that that's part of you Need to put an old brunette at risk

[01:06:27] I've noticed the pattern and I'm now like playing the story beats of what the story cycles of this man are. Yes. Yeah And like you say right Ethan can't deny people have died. Yeah with you and he hates it

[01:06:41] He doesn't like it, but it has happened, but he can yes Promise he'll put you above himself. Yeah, and there's that moment late in the film when he asked Grace how she is and

[01:06:53] Her face, you know reacts to it and it's beautiful we both we both look to China good. Good. Yeah I love Haley Atwell. Yeah, I'm very pro. We've always been we've always been pro Haley Atwell

[01:07:06] podcast and it just feels like she's one of those people where it's like No one is quite figuring out how to use her to the best of her ability Stuck mostly in you know, Marvelville, but her character being in the past get off so early

[01:07:21] She's often these little tiny poppins and stuff Yeah, I mean, you know, I Should watch that Howard's end miniseries that Kenneth Lonergan did weird that I haven't seen that she was good there's probably great in it, but

[01:07:35] Fun character in this and you do start to realize halfway through the movie like oh, that's what we're seeing We're seeing how someone becomes an IMF agent. Yes, right and The thing she plays so well is what you're talking about where it's like she goes from this cocksure

[01:07:49] Like I'm the fun color character myself. Like yeah, I'm always gonna Nick what's in your pocket and run away What Helena Shaw is trying to be? Helena Shaw and the dial of destiny. Oh sure. I'm just like I think those characters in conception

[01:08:04] Well, how long the shot the flea bag? Yes granddaughter flea. Have you seen? Indiana Jones God daughter flea bag. Yeah. Yeah, she's definitely like she keeps saying like ah fortune and glory

[01:08:15] I'm only in it for myself and I'm like, I don't buy it. No, she doesn't really do it though And I'm like, but she says it of course saying it where is this way? We're like, okay

[01:08:23] Okay, what was actually it's like classic show don't tell stuff. We're like her actions You're like, oh I I can't keep this woman straight And then the thing that's so great is once she starts getting like roped into this world and put on the crazy missions

[01:08:35] You see what you're talking about the moments where it's just like oh, this is like an entire like reality shifter I'm existing in a different plane of existence now, and this is like a terrifying world and there's no turning back

[01:08:48] Which is what they say to her like immediately But also what are your choices and they're like either we turn you in or you do this for the rest of your life Right, and you have no friends. You have no family

[01:08:57] You're like your dirty circus folk for the rest of your life on these like globe-trotting missions, but we have each other. Yes And that's fun, right Yeah, and also as Luther sort of says he's like what is your current life?

[01:09:11] My current life is basically this anyway, you're always on the run stuff. The thing is like killing She's really good at it. And it is true. You're right. They actually give him he's good doing nothing

[01:09:19] But they do give him something give a lot of emotional weight and he's saying like I know I was you We all were you previously You're like we get what you're existing in reaction to but this is not sustainable

[01:09:32] Do you think Tom Cruise has friends? I know this is the whole thing. Yeah No, he has his group of people that he trusts that he works with

[01:09:46] Conversation I think his closest friends are literally the people he works on Mission Impossible with and the relationship is exactly the same as It is with the characters. I think that's true. There was that story going around about how he didn't want to leave Simon Pegg Like

[01:10:03] During I think Simon Pegg is like his fifth best friend in the world And I think they know each other as well as these two characters know each other which is like yeah, he is my friend Yes, right. Yeah, she gives people the cake though every

[01:10:19] Yeah, and I would love that cake How do we get on that damn? Well, we can just order it. It's on Goldbelly. No, but I want it from fucking Tom If anyone is close to Tom Cruise

[01:10:32] Who listens to this podcast? Yeah, no. Yeah put us on the list this was look a lot of it's just like the the recency of having dug into this so deeply and There's obviously the huge kind of homage at the end

[01:10:46] But watching this I just kept on thinking like Ethan Hunt as a character is so much The way Buster Keaton was described as a person not the Buster Keaton screen persona

[01:10:57] But when you read about him as much as we were and like dig into him where everyone's like I don't quite understand what drives This guy right outside of the fact that he was seemingly just built to do this thing

[01:11:07] And there were like some demons that haunt him But he's not like this sort of like self-obsessed artiste and he's not a tortured artist and he's not whatever He's just sort of like why just have to do this

[01:11:17] I have to do this and you have to just like go bigger and harder and they're like that's dangerous Well, we'll figure it out Like personal piece in his personal life at the end took a long time. It's like a long time to basically

[01:11:31] Kind of unknowable, I don't know if that is possible for Tom Cruise. Well, I cannot speculate on Tom Cruise's personal No, he's strange man and you know, the more you delve they're probably the less fun you're gonna have yeah

[01:11:50] That's sort of the rule we all have to have with Tom Cruise these days, right? I don't even mean in terms of nefarious shit. I'm more just mean like it's just kind of a bummer But like we were talking about this in the steamboat bill

[01:12:00] Episode that that's the movie where some people have the read that like he was suicidal his marriage was collapsing His drinking was at its worst

[01:12:08] His independent film run was ending is that movie the one where he has the death wish and the stunts are so crazy because he was Like I don't fucking care if I die doing this and I was pushing back on that

[01:12:17] I like I think that's a fundamentally wrong read. I think if he was that Depressed he would not care about putting that much work into the movie I think it's more that he's just like this is the one thing that keeps me alive

[01:12:29] And I'm so committed to the idea of trying to get it Right that the risk of dying is a necessary risk, which is what drives Ethan Hunt. Yes. No, right He's like I don't want to die

[01:12:39] But also if that's the only way to do this then I'm gonna not worry about it and I certainly will You know put myself in the most danger Yes, even though Ethan is getting older. Yes and Cruz reads old in this movie not like ancient

[01:12:53] But this movie but there's lines on his face. He's got kind of his you know, he's older especially when Top Gun was his last film. It's the biggest film ever It's also shot four years ago

[01:13:03] Top Gun was in the can for walk has a kovat and then this movie was shot over several years because of kovat stops and starts

[01:13:10] Sure where you're just like he's looking a lot older than the last time we saw him on screen and he ages like over the course Of the movie as well. Yeah

[01:13:20] Interesting I do too. I mean peg looks pretty haggard in this movie. He's been very upfront about the stuff he's dealing with Mm-hmm again, it kind of works Serious alcoholism Which is I think you know dealing with he's talking about it like, you know

[01:13:38] But what was the the story you were trying to pull up I couldn't find it was something of basically like he would not Abandon peg. It's some press thing

[01:13:47] I can't remember what it was though and like if you just google Simon Pegg Tom Cruise you get you know It's too hard to find it. Yeah but uh, you know, I think that kind of works to like Benji being like a little fresh-faced boy in three

[01:14:00] Yeah, and kind of feeling like a grizzled old vet at this point someone tweeted this the other day It also looks immaculate she hasn't changed at all. Yes

[01:14:12] Murray do you know who the original choice was for the Benji role in Mission Impossible 3 who it was explicitly written for? You already referenced this in today's episode. Yeah, you referenced it Oh Richard Well, he was hot stuff course the office

[01:14:28] That was when people were like if we could be the first one to harness that in a movie and that was like the excitement Could you imagine? Imagine him running. No, well, I mean look in the third movie

[01:14:40] Is be like funny but they might they might not have reused it probably like peg pops better in that movie Yes And Pegg's career also is heading in the right direction

[01:14:49] Because after mi3 you get shot of the dead and all that stuff that there by four times it is before Right, but I guess you got hot fuzz right half fuzz is after that's 2007 So yeah, he's already demonstrated. He can do action cut like some sort of physical

[01:15:04] Part of it too is like Travess might have been very funny in that moment at that point in that role David squinting He might have we might have been comedically peg has always just had a little more soul to him Ricky Gervais is not a good actor No

[01:15:19] I'm pegs a pretty good actor and and peg like plays well in that third movie the feeling of like this is genuinely stressful for This guy in a way that makes you feel for him rather than just be a butt of a joke

[01:15:30] That you could see Cruz being like we could give this guy more to do and he would hold it I think so. And I think if you're Tom Cruise and a year after mi3 you watch hot fuzz

[01:15:39] Yes, cuz front of the dead pegs good. Yeah, but in half fuzz He's diving and shooting guns and he's playing an action hero Edgar Wright was one of the finalists to direct ghost protocol along with Brad Bird

[01:15:50] He's clearly a huge Edgar Wright fan. Like yeah, it makes total sense. I think he's Gonna bring peg back. But yes, I do think it works for these movies that you're like Benji's like changed a lot and not in a way that feels like the franchise is like

[01:16:07] Making him into a different character than he was originally But you just like you feel the passage of time on these people you feel the weight of the amount of missions I do feel like even if Rebecca Ferguson looks unchanged

[01:16:19] You do feel her getting like colder and harder and across the three movies, right? It's right like in the first movie She's playing more like mysterious femme fatale and by this one you're just sort of like she is like kind of a brutal weapon

[01:16:33] So they okay. They have the whole thing happen then they all unite they do have the whole thing Before we move on from the airport I just want to single out one shot that I thought was great where you see Tom running on the roof

[01:16:48] Mm-hmm of the airport in the background. Yes. Well, that was a very funny shot incredibly that whole sequence is just a delight It's great. And it's just great like it's not like an engine sequence per se but it's great like great mission impossible tension racketing

[01:17:01] Who's zooming who six different people looking at all these balls in the air? And then we're gonna have to catch a bunch of them later, but it's like right everything's going wrong She ends up on a plane with the key without him, right?

[01:17:13] He eludes Shea Wiggum, but he still they need to track Haley out Well, who's a whole new figure added into the solution and also now they're just like this entity thing Which they're kind of keeping secret from Ethan when the bomb shits going on

[01:17:26] They're not looping him in on until the final riddle and you have that scene where he's like, why are we not fucking telling me? This isn't say fuck if he tried to say fuck his brain would explode Okay, so we go from

[01:17:38] There to Rome. Yeah, that's where he also shows up, right? Yeah, yes because you flash back at some point to reveal that he put her on the horse and said Venice She is in Venice

[01:17:53] Where the car chase sequence which is so good. Oh the car chase sequence. I think again, you know This move this franchise is not a lot car chases. Yeah, and The fallout motorcycle chase in Paris is so good where it's like he's weaving through everything like magic

[01:18:10] And to do the opposite of it where they keep fucking up. Yeah, the car is weird They handcuff each other in the wrong direction. So she has to drive All this stuff is so clever that they're in the tiny car and palm

[01:18:27] Car it absolutely did and they're driving in the the loop in the third card. Yes Luigi from the Pixar universe. Yes Yes, no, it feels the construction of these things and like these are the only movies

[01:18:44] They're still made the way that keep used to make movies where it's like what would be fun to do in a movie and what's the

[01:18:48] Logic of that like building things one step at a time and then building story around that this sequence is just like good beat after Good beat and it's not just cool shit happening

[01:18:57] And I just have so many questions about the logistics of how they shot it because it looks like It looks like everything is being done for real and it looks like the camera is attached to the car

[01:19:06] Yes, so like, you know, that's insane yes and Tom clientele is playing a character in Paris, okay Yeah, we have not talked about palm who dressed us like a search solely member. She's like a mime matador Destruction yes, she was

[01:19:22] Destruction but also doing a pouty face. Yes, so hot. She's so hot She's like fucking incredible when she's driving that like tank Yes, but like the manic glee on her face when she's like driving over smaller cars and like

[01:19:40] Exactly my age. She's a week younger than me. Oh, I was born and then a week later a cooler person much cooler person one of the coolest people alive Pretty cool baby to like what she was born. Yeah, the doctor was sunglasses a fucking cool, baby. Yes

[01:19:56] Yeah, she's awesome she's in league with the entity I guess as well but maybe not as Like Eastside Morales this character seems to be sort of like devoted To the entity and later we see him sleeping in a computer coffin. That's like, you know, blood being love

[01:20:12] AI into his head, right? Where is she basically just like listening to like episodes of the true broken experience and I'm really like layered on top of each other Yeah Yes, no, she's she's like a henchman's henchman basically yeah, she's really good for hire

[01:20:27] Yeah, but she seems more for hire but but you do get important enough that she gets to like be in the meeting Yeah with a carry Elvis later. Yeah, but I also think this choice of like she fucking loves this, right?

[01:20:40] High octane right exactly. Yeah, and she doesn't really talk No, she talks a little later, but largely she's sort of silent assassin vibes and she is kind of like very subtle

[01:20:51] Yes, very subtle dark mirror image of the grace character. I guess a little bit right, you know, there are two characters here Who are potentially like? Recruitable in a way and she and I do think Paris will end up being a good guy not convoy. I

[01:21:06] Yeah, well, she makes the movie that keeps talking about how it's about choices, right? She makes she makes a choice right which but also the entity tells her to make that choice. Yeah the entity Well doesn't

[01:21:20] Predicts it the entity wants her dead because it thinks she will be Won over by the fact that Ethan didn't kill her which it's correct about right But I do they show us her hand moving at the end. She's so alive. No, no, she's definitely

[01:21:32] I'm just saying like the entity predicting that maybe is like forcing her hand Well, this is how the entity messes with you Griffin I think she genuinely wants to jump over but is that what the entity also wants to have happen for some I'm saying that's

[01:21:47] How they get in your head. That's what I like Okay, so Rome is the car chase. That was really cool, which is this is the same fucking the staircase I wasn't James Bond F and fast X Spanish steps. Yes, the Spanish steps. I haven't been to Italy Okay

[01:22:02] Well, it's really nice there and the other Keats house is there that's where Keats died as I talked about very movingly in our bright star episode and this Film was obviously calling back to our bright star Not even come back to brights or come back to our episode

[01:22:16] Yeah, well cuz bright star doesn't go there but our episode did yeah Um, yes, it's Spanish steps and yes fast X did have a whole row because that's where the big bomb ball

[01:22:24] Yeah, rolling in my opinion a dogshit sequence and then you're watching this like beautifully constructed. I think this is much better I think it's so much better that I was just like god

[01:22:33] This is like what I want not enough Scott Eastwood. I could have done with him. I want him cutting in guys What's up on a walkie-talkie? And then Jason Momoa going like wall I can has cheeseburger people like brilliant

[01:22:50] Good performance smart that feels like a performance constructed by the entity Just I Think that's mean to the entity. I feel like the entity is like more like that Performing it's do not mind-boggling. Yeah, but I I want to acknowledge that some people really like it

[01:23:12] Some people really like it. I think choices are being made and I think in an era in which very often Safe there's like an appreciation for the fact that he's taking swings and I'm like shouldn't there be any cohesive Center to what you're playing?

[01:23:29] Well, if I can once again call back to Indiana Jones, he chose poorly. He chose poorly I Like Nicolas Cage when people turn him into like fucking just memes right and go like, oh, it's so weird

[01:23:43] He like does this you could interview him at any moment on any film and he would explain to you every single thought And even if it's insane, there's an inner logic to it. And Momo is just like oh, what if I did like Nicolas Cage shit?

[01:23:55] I don't like the performance. I do like the Spanish step sequence and the general chemistry the kind of like Tom Having to put it all together with Hayley Atwell and she's like I don't do whatever this is. Yes, where he's like, come on

[01:24:11] You know, we'll figure it and she's like I don't drive minis Through alleyways like with a palm like you do aspect of him teaching her In rewatching three which I have more of an appreciation for than I did before

[01:24:29] Good movie, I really liked the ending shootout where he is Technically dead right and Michelle Monaghan has to he's like did now do this? No, right with a gun. Yeah has to follow his tutelage and shoot people

[01:24:43] But this is also the sequence that starts with him pretending to be her lawyer, correct? Or does that come later? I think that's when next no He breaks her out of prison and this whole chase and he like directly kind of pegs her whole story

[01:24:58] Right where he's just like you grew up very poor You lusted for the finer things in life or the least the illusion of the finer things in life You're always on the run like he just gets her completely reads her Correctly and me too. Yes reading me correctly

[01:25:14] Yes creates this uneasy balance of just like to a certain degree. She's starting to surrender to him a little bit more, right? You also find out that that Morales what's his character's name Gabriel Gabriel like told her about Tom Cruise told her about Ethan

[01:25:32] Told who but the scene where you think like, oh, he's winning her over with this magic proposal She was like I got your like face on a printout in an envelope Oh, yeah. Yeah sure the entity or whoever and that everyone who was hired, right?

[01:25:43] She didn't speak to Gabriel, right, but everyone was hired by the entity was just like oh, I never heard a voice It was always text communication. Yes. Yes Gabriel also, you know

[01:25:53] It's a biblical reference right? He's like the voice of God basically. Yeah. Yeah. He's the Archangel. Um, yeah Okay, so we go from Rome to Venice and what happens in Venice is that the entity throws a baller

[01:26:06] Party, right, but this is where Elsa shows up. Yeah, Tom hugs her. They're both like never been to Venice before Yeah, that's hard to believe does seem hard to believe but whatever Festival

[01:26:19] Okay, so I had a lot of questions about this party what was the theme the theme was the entity Okay, cuz there were a lot of puffy shirts. That's kind of the entities thing. He's got real David Cofferfield vibes

[01:26:33] Okay, turn it back. Okay. I don't know what making them Vegas magician, let's say that yeah, that's part of it. Okay and There were some like date Cirque de Soleil esque dancers. Yes big-time entity shit. Well look and it he hired the Paris

[01:26:50] Directly or indirectly, right? It's a part of the mood board The entity's got interesting taste. Oh, yeah, I like I once again, I like the I think they have interesting points

[01:27:00] Why do you like the enemy entity is so bad. No, they're cool the entity also it's like against everything you stand for What do I like? like Craftsmanship, I do love that. Yeah, you're very anti AI

[01:27:15] I know but there's something about the entity that kind of wins me over. There's a there's a warm touch Okay, I finally found a picture of palm Clemente. I was a kid. Okay her she has like a really She's cute

[01:27:29] Like five years of her fucking Instagram. I was like Very sad, yeah, I don't even know what it is, but I'm already sad We're not gonna get into it you can read it. Yeah

[01:27:42] But yeah, okay. So party in Venice and at first it's a fake-out because you think the party is being thrown by the White Widow Yes Right Vanessa Kirby who's back? And is doing her home and naughty girl on time world's greatest

[01:28:01] World's fanciest sort of insinuates that she fucked Ethan Hunt and I'm like It's a mutually beneficial lie for both of them to pretend that it maybe Didn't we and he's like sure Sometimes I decide Counterclockwise Yeah

[01:28:30] Vanessa Kirby a post Oscar nom feeling herself. Yeah, like right. Yeah a lot of fun Yes, but but yeah boils down to the same see her as Josephine in Napoleon movie and not wait for that movie Ethan starts to put it all together

[01:28:46] This is the entity the entity has become like fully Empowered is reaching out to everyone is the one who's pulling all the strings on all of this And the entity is present at the party all around them. Yeah

[01:29:00] They're partying inside of the entity basically and the entity and it's all and I think this is why this movie maybe hasn't it is a lot of these

[01:29:09] Circular conversations a bunch of people in a room going kind of like well what you want is this and they're saying well Yeah, but the entity wants this and it's a lot of like guesswork and very

[01:29:20] Alliance making it is talky in a way that I am very nostalgic for where I was just like watching this several times I was like Jamel is gonna love this movie so fucking much because his podcast clear and on present danger is basically about like reliving

[01:29:35] This era of movies that no one makes anymore. We are like These films that were often categorized as like action movies are thrillers and we're 95% tense conversations in office rooms

[01:29:46] Where people have these circular conversations where they're like, do you understand the implications of what you're proposing right now? Right and just like great character actors throwing heat Against movie stars right and this has that and also

[01:29:59] Unbelievable action fewer action sequences than the last couple of mission movies I guess but on a scale where you're just like we're really gonna complain about this being skimpy Yeah, this movie shows you like five of the greatest things you've ever seen

[01:30:11] It's a longer movie. Yes, and so I guess the action might feel also more spaced out because of that yeah, and I do think it's like

[01:30:20] The haunted quality to this film is like cuz even fallouts like starting to go like Ethan is the shit catching up with you Right and feels a little darker more ominous than the previous films this movie in particular. I think is arguing Your whole time might be over

[01:30:37] Everything you've ever fought for might be just irrelevant in five minutes, right? You know, it's similar to Top Gun as well Yeah, we don't need people anymore, right?

[01:30:46] This is all gonna get handled by computers now, but the implications in this movie aren't like the military is gonna change It's like the entire face of the earth might change You know, I'd rather that everyone chill out and read a book. That's what I would like

[01:31:04] Let me clarify. I don't actually Like the entity but I am going to defend to the ends of the earth the entity as a villain for this movie Oh sure I find so thoroughly terrifying. Oh for sure in its nebulous form without ever feeling

[01:31:20] Non-specific to me for how many fucking stupid blockbuster films we've seen where the villain at the end of some giant evil cloud, right? You're like, what is this? That's true. There's bad versions of this at this thing

[01:31:31] Yeah, the entity and what I think this movie does very well is like sometimes it is visualized Sometimes you were very clearly aware of like oh fuck. It's the entity copying Benji's voice Right, but then other times in other scenes in banal scenes

[01:31:46] I'll just sit there and I'll be like fuck the enemies probably listening to this, right? Well, yeah, I think that movie is where is it's Luther or is it Simon Pegg who puts the car on auto drive? Yeah, and then you got freaked out

[01:31:58] I was like he's gonna crash the Kennedy's gonna crash the car It's so successful in the construction of this movie is it just sells you that Fear so thoroughly that you just start to question everything in every scene

[01:32:09] Yeah, and you understand the characters questioning and when they're not questioning you get worried. Sometimes you're worrying about something. It's not a problem But maybe it is I thought the the scene where Tom is running through the corridors of Venice's back alleys and getting lost because it's

[01:32:27] fake Benji Giving him directions was very effective They're like tricking him into doing one of the scenes that he knows how to do and they're like no At the party we're distracting you Gabriel is very much like

[01:32:40] It is Gabriel speaking for the entity like one of these girls is gonna have to die. Yeah, that's your choice That's your choice. I know your whole deal. You don't like people dying and

[01:32:49] As he's running through the you know alleys of Venice the mute Lauren Boffs excellent score is swelling Swelling. Yes, which let's also say this movie uses its score a lot less than the franchise has

[01:33:04] I think the car chase in particular mostly plays with just no score the sound Which I love it's like very gripping that you're not being pushed along emotionally You're just hearing can we confirm or deny that the theatrical experience?

[01:33:19] We had were we in rumble seats. We're in rumble seats. Yeah, we were in told me prime Yeah, and their seats would rumble with the sound was insane It's not full for yeks like choreography, but the sheets I see changed loved it. I thought it was so cool

[01:33:34] Yeah, yeah, and it was especially loud during the train unsurprisingly. Yes Yes, but no, no, he's running around and first Gabriel is fighting grace Yes, but then he sort of knocks grace out and then knives he does. He's got these two flick knives

[01:33:51] Yeah, did you like that Ben here switchblade boy? Wait, what knives? Yes, the two knives Yeah, that's how we're back Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and then yes, she's else's fighting him the scores going nuts and I'm really long sword, too

[01:34:08] She has a long sword in a cane kind of you know And I palms distracting Ethan for a while Gets rid of her doesn't kill her. He led pipes next to her

[01:34:18] Yes, right and then she candle sticks so he gets out the rope and then she gets out How do you feel Griffin you especially The biggest Ilsa fan I think in the room. Yeah, I figured about the fact is murdered by knife

[01:34:39] It was Gabriel on the bridge with the knife. Yeah and Venice. Yes, professor Plum nowhere to be seen Yeah, how do you feel but she's dead? dead in the ground I think Look, I want as much Elsa as I can get

[01:34:56] I'm immediately saddened when she dies and not just like emotionally at the loss of the character Sure within the reality of the loss of Becca first. I'm just like, oh she's not in the second half of the movie

[01:35:06] She's not gonna be in the next one. That's a bummer. But I also do think it's like I Do think it's impactful. Hmm And I do think as much as I agree with you David and like very often death can be used as a cheap

[01:35:21] And I also think there's a weird thing especially in like big tentpole II movies where people associate death with stakes Period and if people don't die then they're no stakes and people do die Then the thing is important or serious, right and that's not always the case

[01:35:38] But I do think it's so baked into this character that like he has to lose someone for something to matter To him and I like the gambit of right like that. That's what the entity has realized Which also makes the entity more terrifying Or terrifying than Solomon Lane

[01:35:55] This is the thing. It's like the the entity is constructing his hell. Yes Yeah, yeah, Solomon Lane Obviously, I feel like he's almost a swing at this kind of if he's like Solomon Lane has no personality

[01:36:08] Right basically just exists to be like evil and chaotic like wants to torment people Yeah, but at the end of the day it's Sean Harris and you can like put him in a box

[01:36:16] Yeah, and the entity is like that removed right? It is also kind of like filmmaking by committee literally push on her. Yes, right That's that's what's scary about the entity is you're just like well, there's like no reason the metaphor is fun

[01:36:27] Right and it's also it's just done the math I have to assume it's worked out every possible like branching option of how you react in any situation And it's like you're just like you're just like you're just like you're just like you're just like you're just like

[01:36:40] Branching option of how you react in any situation. It's anticipated. Look I'm looking forward to the Macquarie, you know six-hour exegesis You know how I'm blah blah blah, but like I imagine they began with this AI concept, right?

[01:36:55] Like yeah, that's sort of like trying to hit on like what's the next threat that's plausible and the sort of espionage, right? You know like AI

[01:37:02] They did a good job because now everyone won't shut the fuck up about AI ever and this movies coming out right as that We're ahead of the curve but like Erlich walking out of the movie said like so Cruz hates screaming so much

[01:37:13] He made a movie where the algorithm is the villain. Yes, right, but it just works. It's great It does but it does feel like that's part of what it's going against is like it's pushing

[01:37:22] These sort of narrative beats that he doesn't want. Mm-hmm, you know, right, right? Yeah But she does die. She's dead. She's a rip, right? And then this is the scene where they basically recruit

[01:37:36] Haley right after yeah, they're all grieving. They're all grieving and that's what they pivot to and I think that's so clever. Yes That sort look I mean some people probably will roll their eyes like all one lady's gone

[01:37:48] So now the the lady slots open look if I have an overarching Criticism of this franchise is that it will not allow more than one woman to exist on the team at any given point in time

[01:38:00] It is just constantly like well, then you're if you're gone, then you can come in sort of shit It's not like this is only starting in this film. Yes. Yeah, so The we already talked about all that

[01:38:12] But yeah, I just like the idea of like that's what I am if agents are I am if agents are and she'll be a great One. Yes. What is her next mission though? Are you after this is when they start working on the train, right? Yeah

[01:38:23] it's immediately pitching the train and you see what you think is the start of the mission and then she stops it and she's Fuck are you talking about? They start to pull back on the amount of tech they use They do it goes protocol. They pull the same

[01:38:39] Trick that they do in ghost protocol of like I fuck the mask machine broke. Yes, which is always fun. Yes, you know But in this one, you're also adding the element of like can they trust any of the technology?

[01:38:51] Right sure. They're using a lot of analog right? They start cracking their laptops over their knees You know, they're starting like using a Cold War weather satellite Yeah, I like the you see the CIA have moved to some typewriter all CRT Yes

[01:39:07] So good here he always by the way has the smoothest face I've ever seen in this movie He's the CIA director now. No, I know Zerny is now the CIA director. Okay this movie

[01:39:19] Of course, she's the IMF secretary in the first one. Yeah, Ellis. I don't really know what he's another high up Some high up person yes, and he on the train seems to be sort of in league with the AI

[01:39:34] Right, or at least he's sort of like I'm the only person who knows what that thing opens. I know about this It's like I would fucking if I had this I could control it and I would rule the universe

[01:39:46] But this of the sorry the entity kills him. Yes for knowing too much. Yes, actually. Yes rather than ally with him. Yes So it's the Orient Express correct chugga-chugga-chugga choo-choo going through the mountains

[01:40:01] And their plan actual steam or coal engine train train, right? Yes, they tender engine technically they have Well, you know how you probably heard of Tank and uh-huh familiar But the tender engine is what you think of is the classic steam train where it has a gigantic

[01:40:22] Tender is what it's called full of coal Its own fuel. They call it a tender. Yes. Is that like the pit where the coal goes? No, it's the big container of coal that's like on it

[01:40:33] So like if you ride the Orient Express now, I think it is a steam train. Isn't that the idea? I'm like dudes. They're shoveling coal into it the whole time Yeah, like look here's a train. It's just like a ton of murder. Here's a train, right?

[01:40:48] This is the tender And like a tank engine doesn't have that then they can't go as far okay It's the car that holds the coal Yeah, I mean Tiring it's like an auto feeder so their plan on the Orient Express is Haley Atwell is going to

[01:41:10] Form into Vanessa Curry, right? Oh cuz we forgot to mention There's that moment in the entity party where Tom Cruise is just like you don't understand the decision That is being placed before you

[01:41:22] This is not about whether or not you can get rich or who's like zooming who or whatever This is like the fate of humanity, right? Don't fucking turn the tide this way Don't they allude to that? Also she has these

[01:41:37] Family secrets that she doesn't want to get out like there's some leverage over her in some way Yeah, but she's also one of these people where it's like she's like the world's Fanciest fence right and she's just like I don't cast judgments. It's highest bidder

[01:41:51] You know, I'm not doing anything. I just connect people. I just like you know So a question I had looking up the Orient Express because Vanessa Kirby The way that they distinguish the two Vanessa Kirby's is Haley Atwell has brown eyes, right? and the Kirby has very

[01:42:14] Intense blue intense blue eyes and I Was just wondering have they done that in any other movie where the eyes are usually they are putting in I think they're mostly doing it as a cinematic convention of like just so you know, who's who but do we need that?

[01:42:31] I don't know that we did but I kind of like the effect I did too. I you have to buy that Henry Cerny doesn't remember what color her eyes are

[01:42:38] But I buy that I only do I know what her eyes look like because I watched the movies. Yes, he doesn't watch these movies He's not a fan She has like her do that I would know right is one of them her brother

[01:42:54] Does Sigourney Weaver realize that Dave has a different penis when she sees him in the shower? Or does she just not fucked him in so long that she doesn't remember I could talk about this for hours

[01:43:05] The scene in Dave that drives me the craziest, but I love it as well Leans into the ambiguity in a way. That's interesting Maybe their penises There is a beat we're not saying there's a thing that isn't acknowledged by the movie

[01:43:21] There's he turns around the shower and she looks at it looks at it And she has a beat and you can't quite tell what she's thinking and I'm and then he plays Is she thinking that my penis looks different right?

[01:43:31] But then I take it as her being like this dick looks better than I remember Yeah Forgetting that I used to be attracted to this man and this is stirring something here Yeah, or is she like well that guy's got fucking different dick. This is not my husband

[01:43:45] You know like you know like it could be a million or is it like did my husband add for skin like what? Truly unspoken thing if there's a fundamental change right they don't mention it again They don't but it's a great moment in a five-star. That's too drastic

[01:43:59] Don't know there's a lot of options It's why it's good and and thing throwing heat Yeah Watch watch Dave for his fourth of July nothing wrong with watching Dave. Yeah, you watch Dave every day exactly Downside there yeah so

[01:44:29] Why doesn't the henchman realize it I don't know that they're all like just inattentive enough They're not detail oriented people right but their plan was supposed to be that At will and Cruz would go undercover as white widow and henchmen

[01:44:43] But the mask machine breaks down after white widow so Cruz can't get on the plane on the train. They all know what he looks like She can go undercover He's got to find another way onto the train a thing. I think Kirby plays unbelievably well is

[01:44:58] At will not others sorry and she's with piranha plant who's not even like it's kind of like a weaker gimmick No, I'm sorry. Go on go on. What is Vanessa Curry play? Well At well not being very good at the impression

[01:45:12] She's pretty mediocre every other time in one of these movies. We have seen someone do the mask routine The implication is well they fucking mastered this Their master disguise their regular pistachio disguise II they can pull off anyone right?

[01:45:25] Haley at will is like I don't do I don't fucking impersonate people. I don't wear masks. What are you talking about? Just being like yes, I am No, T. Yes. Can you sign this specific thing saying that Haley Atwell is innocent forever? Yes. It's my Wonder Man

[01:45:39] Yes, so that's going on at well sort of learning how to own the nitty-gritty of being an IMF agent all the sort of like weird theatrics of it while Cruz is trying to figure out how to

[01:45:50] Get onto the train. So how how's it gonna get onto the train? Well, there's only one way to do it Which is what do they call it? Speed kiting or something. Yes Fuck what do they call it Ben? Do you remember this African hell?

[01:46:05] No, I don't. There's like I thought the kites were to get him off the train both. Okay. Yes Right, right the kite off the what he ends up doing friend of the show a Participant in this episode Patrick Willems pointed out I think very wisely

[01:46:21] He ends up basically having to drive a motorcycle off the Paramount Mountain In the same summer where Indiana Jones can no longer do the transition from the Paramount logo to the first image It does feel kind of telling that Cruz is sort of like

[01:46:37] Going like how do I get off this fucking mountain? And the only way is right up to the top and off it in a move That's sort of him saying like hey, I just want you to remember

[01:46:44] I'm the king of Paramount for all time everyone Sumner Redstone tried to end our fucking overall deal He's dead and I'm the biggest movie star in the world, right? Yes But yes, then he does this kiting thing, which I watched some

[01:46:58] Video one of these behind the stunts where they're like, it's much more dangerous than skydiving. He's like It's a very particular dangerous You can't just do a thing and call it a sport you're like it's not skydiving It's like being close to the ground with a bigger

[01:47:16] Looping around I guess yeah So sorry to interrupt, but I just remembered a he's interrupt a thing that Ben told me What's that when we saw this movie? There is something that Ben has uncommon with Ethan Hunt interesting go on

[01:47:32] No idea what I'm talking about. You've gone skydiving. Yeah, that's true. We talked about this I think yes You've never done this thing, whatever the fuck this is whatever the fuck this is no definitely not Yeah, because this is like short-range. Yeah, right like what are they like?

[01:47:49] What's the like the other more common example of jumping base jump, right? Right now? I would never fuck with that right? I feel like I would not be able to get off the motorcycle cleanly

[01:48:01] No, no, look I would not be able to do any of these I would describe the whole sequence I'd be good at the mask wearing stuff. I might call them I think

[01:48:10] Impossible missions. Yeah, this train sequence is every I think all the action sequences in this movie are good Mm-hmm doing an action sequence of Mission Impossible has become a fairly high stakes thing in my opinion, right? Uh-huh off to top the best

[01:48:25] The Burj Khalifa the Opera House, right the ones that people rewatch and remember Yeah, but I do think this is a crowning achievement This whole train sequence for them. I would agree. It's just it's it's uh, It's really good stakes at it like beyond the stunts themselves

[01:48:44] It's just he's always really good at the kind of thing that like Spielberg was always best at of just like setting up seven obstacles And keeping you super aware of all of them

[01:48:56] You're constantly just like you know where everyone is in relation to everyone else and what the objectives are and what needs to be done What could go wrong? What could go right and there's like the thing where you're just like I know what's gonna fucking happen

[01:49:07] Haley Atwell's gonna be in danger and Cruz is gonna fly through the window at the absolute perfect moment Like of course, he's struggling to get on the train Of course, he's gonna land perfectly in a way that solves three problems at once and still when it happens

[01:49:22] It's the most satisfying shit in the world the audience applauded as Because they it's what they wanted. They applauded because something they wanted they've been waiting been shown to them

[01:49:31] Yes, another thing. I think you guys keep talking. I am NOT doing a bit and no one's gonna knock on the door I simply have to pee

[01:49:38] Okay, I promise. Okay. Okay, and I promise if someone knocks on the door when he's in the bathroom, I quit the show Forever so does this happen on the train that Gabriel comes out of a

[01:49:54] Coffin, yeah, we start. Yes, right his computer coffin. Yeah, but he's also connected to some sort of like gas mask He's like he's a mainlining entity. Yeah, so I mean it's interesting

[01:50:05] I want to know more about this if I feel like or at my interpretation is he's absorbing the world's information Correct because he's obsessed with truth right and this idea of knowing the ultimate absolute truth, right?

[01:50:19] And so I think he's for what the human mind can can take right taking it all in In Oxygen right and like he's just yeah like taking in just all the world's information Here's what I like about the Mission Impossible movies

[01:50:37] Right, like stuff like this or what was Ethan Hunt's past? I'm like if the next movie explains him to me further I trust that the way they would do it would be interesting to me

[01:50:47] But also if they never dig into this further the implication of it is interesting enough for me Where I'm like, I'd be happy to know the answers I'd also happy to be like Remember he like sleeps in a computer coffin and he gets some power from it

[01:51:05] This David what is Gabriel doing when he's sucking in the entity in a coffin I I don't know. I mean, I think the simplest explanation is, you know, he's getting his instructions, right?

[01:51:16] You know and that's fine. I would just love to live in a future where I can mainline information like that I wouldn't I want to know I'm gonna be a no one. I am with some you stand

[01:51:26] Yeah, I just want to like read a book in like five minutes Matrix where it's like I can fly a helicopter you want to know instead of sitting up all night just going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole

[01:51:38] I could just be like, okay now I know everything about that random war Yeah, this was no my first move would be let's take all websites down. I Don't trust myself to have them so you want a new Dark Age, correct?

[01:51:52] I'm just like I'm not opposed if they're there. I'm gonna go to them and I'm gonna look up dumb things I'm just gonna waste my fucking time. We'd all be out of jobs What would we do? Send our cassette tapes

[01:52:06] Tips in the mail be fucking underground. That'd be cool It does feel we make of like a should we press of fucking records of us talking? Yeah, it seems like an insult to the material that is vinyl Vinyl is just the ad reads. No. Yeah Oh sales

[01:52:40] For pump up sales It just excites me that I feel like the next movie is setting up them having to go even further in a direction Where it's like we are completely off the grid. We are afraid of technology

[01:52:55] We need to figure out alternate ways around everything right there. We're using a wood computer. That is my dream a wood computer Yeah, fucking career pigeons Made this computer out of a tree. Yeah

[01:53:08] What if they start doing like the like a like tele telegram like yeah good Morse code Morse code Yeah, I hope there's a ton of knocking in the next movie even smoke signals Paramount executives hold head in hand. Yeah

[01:53:24] Higher movie is Morse code a very cool like low Low tech bit that they do in this movie is when Tom is in the desert and he signals to Ilsa by like Doesn't he like flashes like a knife or some people like I'm

[01:53:38] Light and or at the Sun and she yeah, that was cool more of that stuff I just want Luther saying like we're gonna go after off the grid. I'm sitting on a tree stump now. Yeah No metal chairs for me

[01:53:57] Yeah, cool stuff oh and then the train so a Bridge blows up. Yeah, which is just the shot from the general feels like a an overt homage

[01:54:08] Both of them have talked about yes how much inspiration they take from Buster and then being like what are the things we haven't gotten? to do yet blow up a train and

[01:54:15] this one shot of the bridge collapsing feels like the shot from the general and then it turns into the sequence from Lost World Jurassic Park times five One by one the cars are tipping over and they're slowly trying to get their way out of them. It's a dream

[01:54:30] It's so good. And yeah the fun of every time they get out of one car it falls to the ground Calamitously and loudly and your nerves are all jangled and then it's like, okay, we got to do it again

[01:54:45] Feel it and really feel it and like every car You know in this sequence uses more CGI than than a lot of the movie does because of just it's impossible to pull off But even still they're just like they're selling the physics of it really well

[01:54:58] They're building the tension really well when they like get into the next car and you're like fuck is the kitchen car I just thought everyone's going by oil. Yes, and there's the moment where he's having to convince her to jump and

[01:55:11] Same palms light but it's like him saying the like I know this seems impossible But we can do it together, right? You have to trust me versus the thing that feels like the safe thing to do

[01:55:20] You need to do the insane thing you need to do the insane thing You need to believe in me versus you know, believing only in yourself or whatever, right not trusting anyone But this is when they say palm as well, they say palm I pull her up

[01:55:33] What Shea Wiggum is back and he's there so we haven't talked about him I have in my notes that you just you yelped when he showed up you you clapped I love him. I think I'm not the only person on earth. No

[01:55:48] Who's a Shea fan, right? I'll say this when he puts in the work when he started I Feel like early 2000s when I started seeing him pop up and stuff Mm-hmm. He was one of those guys where I was like this guy is doing too much and

[01:56:02] He's a guy where it's like it almost felt like when he was younger He was trying to play grizzled and he has aged into it so well So what didn't you like him? What what's that? What are you thinking of?

[01:56:14] You know the one I think of and I don't think I really noticed him in was boardwalk Empire. I know he'd been around. Yeah A movie that I don't even blame him for that much because I don't think the thing is good

[01:56:25] And I think his part is particularly bad, but wrist cutters a love story. Well, that's a Where he's essentially playing the guy from go-go bordello That whole thing is a night words, I don't want to hear

[01:56:38] But I just remember being that one where I'm like this guy's doing a lot of shit. Yeah He's really good in all the real girls. That's the early one. He's incredible. Yeah, he is really good in Africa

[01:56:49] Right, so I thought he was great in that but like fucking his career goes back to Tigerland Yeah, then all the real girls. He's great in and then it's like this run of right Lords of Dogtown

[01:57:00] Pride and Glory, you know, he could play a cop. He could play kind of a bartender He's in Fast and Furious 4 he is 6 and 9. Yes as like a FBI guy port-a-call, New Orleans He just starts to become one of those guys where I'm always happy to see him

[01:57:16] He just ages into the exact I want to be Kong Skull Island, which is not a movie. I like like I think he's having fun in that Natural he sells this stuff really kind of honestly Eben Moss back

[01:57:29] I was talking about this with my brother as another guy who was just like when he was younger It felt like he couldn't wait to seem a little more world weary Yes, like are we talking girls or pre-girls pre-girls pre-girl? I don't he's amazing anything He Yeah, 46. Yes

[01:57:51] That's a thing girls was the first moment where it's like this guy now looks the way he's always wanted to look Finally gotten a little bit of edge on him. He was like a little too pretty. He's just one of those guys

[01:58:02] Lola versus is he in Lola versus am I right about that? Remember Lola versus I mean, I don't want to but I do He's just one of those guys where I'm like as much as him as you want to give me yeah, yeah But Mona Lisa smile

[01:58:19] Mona Lisa He was just kind of like handsome indie boy for a while and you could tell how much he didn't like it Yeah, he cuz he's easy. He is pretty but right he more wanted to play stressed out weirdo dirtbags

[01:58:34] And now he's so much a wicked words And I do think as opposed to a lot of the guys who like come up against Ethan Hunt who have like a little bit Of their juice themselves, right? Someone like

[01:58:45] Baldwin really being able to like cook and simmer a monologue She becomes like I just want to get this fucking over with this guy's so fucking annoying to me And you have Greg Tarzan Davis in this scene

[01:58:56] I really like that some people might think is a little too on the nose Where they're like in the bar car of the train And he's like, can you explain to me why we don't like this guy? So that's what I love

[01:59:06] Are we set it seems like we're setting him up to also join the squad. I would think so. Yeah. Yes So the whole thing is Alec Baldwin in in I guess it's in five really sure

[01:59:20] Renner in for there's this is the common thing of like the guy who's starting out being like I'm not in for Ethan Hunt Right. I play things by ear

[01:59:29] I'm not in for Ethan Hunt, right? I play things by the book over. Yes, and by the end of the movie He's kind of won me over. I think this guy is kind of for real

[01:59:37] Yeah, and Shay is putting me put in that part because everyone comes in and thinks like this guy's just fucking showboating. Yes I and so he's like

[01:59:48] but I feel like it's even more explicit in this one because the intelligence community is really sick of the I am a need than Hun that he By the end of the movie is like I think this guy might be for real and I think you

[01:59:59] Kittredge yeah might be kind of full of shit. Are you doing on this? Exactly? Yes, and Because Shaye Wiggum just feels like a salt-of-the-earth guy Yeah And kind of feels like a sort of by-the-book guy in this he plays that so perfectly where he's sort of like

[02:00:15] Fuck, you know like grudging, you know Like I just love that moment at the end and Tarzan Davis was being a guy who's just trying to move his way up in

[02:00:23] The company and he's like look I'm not trying to like rock the boat, but I genuinely just am asking questions He's genuinely right asking questions. Is there a chance this guy's just for real?

[02:00:34] That actually is just acting in everyone's best interest and maybe we shouldn't trust the people who are telling us that he isn't right. Yeah He'll be an 8-2. Yes. Yeah, basically everyone in this movies back in it other than Becky firks Maybe she'll do a flashback Twin sister

[02:00:59] Three I'm lady with the zigzag hair So The movie basically ends there because right at this point. It's basically just all right We've succeeded Gabriel and Ethan have a fight on top of the train

[02:01:15] That's the sequence that kind of echoes the the big end set piece from the first mission impossible And then They do go into dark territory, yeah, they are in dark territory But should also shout out dead reckoning obviously is you know

[02:01:30] Sort of like the manual analog means of navigation that existed before you could calculate longitude and stuff I did not know what that meant the submarine says in the first scene like we're navigating by dead reckoning right sure

[02:01:40] That's and I see you know, if you want to get away from the AI We should mention Gabriel also has a watch that's like a countdown clock that basically when times up

[02:01:48] He's just like I should jump. Yeah, he does that but it's also sometimes like he's like time to neg someone right? You know like it's telling him everything. It's giving him his next move, right? Right?

[02:01:57] It's it's like it's like Grand Theft Auto like assigning him the next mission But yeah They're like fighting and Cruz basically has him and there's been this whole thing where Luther

[02:02:07] Gives him this whole speech another moment that fucking Ving kills where he's like you cannot kill this guy You cannot kill this guy. I know you want to I understand why you're going to want to and I think it is going to

[02:02:20] Overtake you in the moment. It is betting on you doing that, right? I know you think you'll be beating it and winning something But we like really have to think about what it expects out of you

[02:02:31] It's it's sort of a summer of George thing where he's saying like you need to do the opposite of what Ethan would do in Every situation because it's anticipating you doing the thing

[02:02:41] So he gets the moment where he's got his knife up to Gabriel's throat and like blood is showing Yeah, he gets he does draw blood right? you think he actually might do it Wiggum and Tarzan Davis come with guns and

[02:02:56] Even still are like Ethan just don't fucking don't do Ethan shit And he's just like guys do not fuck this up. Please listen to me. I'm Ethan Hunt I'm the star of these movies seven. We're already deep in a production on eight

[02:03:07] I'm telling you. I know how these work You just entered into the franchise and then watch goes off. He jumps into the back of a truck. He gets away He doesn't get the key. Thank God Ethan has close-up magic to the key away from him

[02:03:20] Which you only find out at the very end, right? But he has gotten away to live to make another mission impossible film, right? but I do think it's like I've been seeing complaints about the part oneness and

[02:03:32] I'm kind of like these movies always end with there's another mission like yeah There's no there's no finality to Mission Impossible movies Look, I I could not be more sick of the two-part sequel thing and I'm fine Movies leaving things open-ended for the next one or whatever

[02:03:47] I think it's more just in the planning of these things when you have to come up with two movies at once and You're dividing across two films versus each film being treated as let's throw everything we have at this one

[02:04:00] And then we'll come back to the table when this is done and in a lot of the cases That's what ends up happening like this in spider-verse They're like the story got too big

[02:04:08] So we broke it into two and we thought we were gonna do them back-to-back and instead we really did the first one and then We had to do the second one a lot later, and I'm like what then what's even the point?

[02:04:17] Yeah, I mean, it's always a fool's errand. Is there any the closest is Lord of the Rings? Yeah, you like this working. You know what I mean? I think people but like even that they have to reshoot it a zillion times and all that

[02:04:29] You know, it's like this doesn't work. It works. Look it works better perhaps when you were dividing a book and You're just like well, there is a starter text we were working with rather if you're starting with a blank page

[02:04:40] It's like then come up with enough for the one movie you're making right now and then save some stuff for later but much like across the spider-verse Which similarly has a fucking Shea Wiggum throwing heat performance as Captain Gwen Stacy

[02:04:56] Yeah, and and he has the scene where he sort of closes the loop on her arc that at least makes that movie feel She has an art if not self-contained you're like there's a complete emotional journey that happens with her that makes it feel like a full

[02:05:09] meal at least through a prism I think the same final scene between him and Hayley Atwell in this movie serves the same function Where they basically keep on pitching to her the like there's gonna be the moment where you have to say to him. I

[02:05:23] was told to make a choice and I'm choosing yes and No matter what you've done to that moment No matter how much they want to arrest you and throw you in the hague if you say that to them and say Ethan told

[02:05:33] Me to say this. They're like fuck we have to let you be an agent You're on the good side of the law now, right? And this sequence has been so clearly traumatizing for her that moment that you said that Hayley Atwell kills where it's like

[02:05:44] Her face is so good goes through like 87 emotions in five seconds of like I can't believe he's actually asking me that I think he means it. Yeah, how do I feel and she said I'm so stressed out, right?

[02:05:56] you you kind of expect the version of the scene where she like comedically goes like Fine, and instead she's like no, I'm not okay. And he's like, yeah, I get it. I've been there I remember what it was like, right?

[02:06:08] So you're almost thinking she's gonna push back in this moment or she's gonna turn away and go rogue on her own Or just be too overwhelmed by the whole situation and the moment where she's like I can let Ethan get away Which I need to do

[02:06:22] There's only room for one right? That's the thing. They only have the one escape one parachute Yeah, and I'm gonna make the choice and when she makes the choice It doesn't feel like she's saying that out of it like a strategic move in that moment

[02:06:34] you suddenly see her go like I think this is actually what I want to do and Everyone has to accept it and I found that to be a pretty thrilling Conclusion as as an emotional arc for this character across this movie

[02:06:46] Understanding how someone could start out the film in one place and actually by the end of it sign up for this insane fucking life I'm so glad you loved it. I did because I've been so bummed out by movies this year

[02:07:01] Gotta love the good. Yeah. Well movies need to be better. Is this your number one of the year so far? No, my number one of the year is Blackberry

[02:07:10] Movie I think is incredible. I mean, I love Blackberry, you know, I love Blackberry. I know you love you know Blackberry My daughter but not the movie the bear fruit. Well then pluralize it my friend

[02:07:20] We're for you to make it singular. Here's the thing what only one well, well, no, she'll eat lots of them She said Blackberry. Okay, back Barry Are you sure she's asking you to rent the movie cuz it's available to do

[02:07:34] She's saying it like that. Maybe she wants you to take her to IFC center rental still playing every day Yeah, no, it rules. That's my number one a full-time the French movie

[02:07:43] I think it's still my number two of the year. Wait, what's oh, yeah, I really need to see that fucking love Well, you know what? Yeah, why didn't you bring me to see it then if you love it so much

[02:07:55] That's a good question, where do I put this did I rank it after I saw it I mean look I'm excited to see it again But it was just like it was such a movie movie for me. It gave me like all the thrills I want out of

[02:08:08] Thrills Just like this money up on screen right like absolute movie star wattage I do think there's this thing where it was like Rebecca Ferguson has felt like such a discovery in this franchise, right?

[02:08:21] Where you're like she was not on shortlist for these movies. They plucked her out of like a Showtime series Yeah, she'd done a white queen

[02:08:29] And then has become like one of our best right and then like Hayley Atwell and Pam Clement if or both people who have been Like stuck in the Marvel thing. That's like this incredible platform

[02:08:38] but then it sometimes ends up being a dead end for a lot of actors where it's like well What do you do now and much in the way that I think he like used Cavill better than anyone has used Cavill

[02:08:49] He finds these people where it's like they're not really getting like the bespoke fitted outfit movie star role for them Even if it's part of the ensemble the thing that's purely just them selling it through sheer will and craft and wattage Wado and wado

[02:09:06] And just throws me and I think this movie has like actual does it hold you to kiss you it helped me It kissed me to kill you it did No, I think it's like dealing with it. It's I think it's got provocative

[02:09:20] Ideas, I think it is one of the only things I've seen talk about AI in a way that feels emotional Rather than this sort of like speculative Hand-wringing, you know or trying to like game out. Where do we go from here? Where it really is

[02:09:36] Like what does it feel like to live in a world where you just don't really know if anything's real anymore And we've already been in like an aggressive misinformation age and AI has just made all of that faster

[02:09:46] And it's just speeding up at a rate. That's like I don't my cousin works in AI I saw him in January when it's out in San Francisco. He's there in like the funny. I is good Griffin

[02:09:56] He was not doing that and I think he had a really interesting take on everything where he was very even-handed about it And he was like, I think the good applications of AI or this I think people trying to do this are wrong, right? Sure

[02:10:07] And it's like I wonder if that's gonna stick if it does it be the detriment of that like had a very even-handed view Of all of it, but I think about that conversation which was seven months ago and like everything

[02:10:17] He said to me has changed 87 times since then and I don't know if it's for better or worse I don't know where any of this ends up But this movie like speaks to that in in that way that like that golden age of like 70s paranoid thrillers

[02:10:30] we're really like tapping into a moment of like grave uncertainty and distrust and It didn't feel like it was I don't know a posture Griffin my question to you. Sure. Where do you put it in your mission impossible?

[02:10:46] Rank, so we were just talking about this. We're talking about with the dough boys. Yes Cuz why you're basically like defaults to fallout maybe being his favorite movie. Yeah, I mean, I think fallout at this point I'm I have to tip the cap Yeah

[02:11:01] Mike and I I love ghost protocol and have that number two, right? And those two are unassailable for me until further notice. My question was whether I put this Above or below rogue nation, which is my third favorite. I think rogue nation is my solid number two

[02:11:17] I love that for a long time I liked it more than fallout even after fallouts release a lot of it is just that it's just at this point You're just kind of okay Right, but I just love rogue nation being the Elsa movie

[02:11:31] Maybe her twin sister. It's named Anna. Maybe they do Elsa and Anna Yes, that's what it is. Yeah, I think the Macquarie trilogy are my three favorites And I think I put this at third and goes pro to number four

[02:11:47] But I think those four movies are kind of like fucking undeniable. Mm-hmm. I think that's a fine thing to think yeah, and it's like you could say like well so then this is a disappointment if you're coming off of like

[02:11:58] five was better than four and four was better than three and six was better than five and I'm like no cuz I just Like that they're trying different shit. I like that. They are not Trying to outdo themselves that they are like pivoting into interesting directions Marie

[02:12:15] Do you have a ranking? Don't know yet That's fine. I will say do you have a favorite mission impossible movie? I Might I might have rogue nation as my number one. That's fine. I sure was fine. I know fallouts great. I like

[02:12:37] Pumping the arms. Yeah, it was cool. I am a defender of two I Think it's okay to acknowledge that it is not as Good Fine but anyone who's like, oh god that movies unwatchable. I'm like, what are you? bottom of the list

[02:13:05] I think all of the mission impossible movies are good. Yeah, I agree I think I basically I think two is a very fun. I like watching all of them though

[02:13:14] Like in all of them, yeah, then do you have a favorite do you care do you want to go to sleep? It's kind of hot in this room. I don't know if I you know, have a favorite okay, what's coming to mind right now is I

[02:13:27] Have watched these Some of these kind of recently and I think road a rogue nation really hit for me. Mm-hmm. Hey, it's a grower Also much like Kevin Klein's penis and Dave will never know Grower He's got a shower in the shower

[02:13:50] That setup is also very weird that presidential baths very weird shower Yeah, it's designed only for someone to see your penis like and wonder is that the penis I've always remembered Take a bullet for you, dude It's a great movie. It's a great movie

[02:14:06] Maybe we should second best behind clusters I It's one of those things where I'm like, I think that is his Greatest accomplishment as a filmmaker if that makes sense I'm like that's the movie

[02:14:23] I give him the most credit for as a director whereas like Ghostbusters is just kind of like everyone in the right place at The right time and he made great decisions. It's like a traffic cop I don't say to like diminish his role

[02:14:33] but it's like he's balancing all these different voices and Dave is just him like finding a Gary Ross script and being like I'm gonna make my fucking Frank Capra movie and every performance is perfect Yeah, Grodin Kingsley Linney Right just across the board Langella, yeah Kevin Dunn

[02:14:54] We're ready to announce that our next patreon series will be Dave Just watching Dave and then meet Dave It's a real come down Probably David's or just a Okay, we watch all of FX's Dave No, I really don't want to do this. I am Dave

[02:15:17] Mike and Dave need wedding dates. Mm-hmm. That's sort of falls into alien versus predator category It's like we do a lot party. Yeah, it's built specifically as Dave be it could be part of the Dave's There's a movie from

[02:15:32] 1923 called Bank of Dave Bank of Dave. Yeah, well now I've heard Rory Kinnear. Okay We're done this is the kind of behavior that happens when we're done. Yeah. Um, what's up? Well final thoughts. Yeah the gas masks Though any gas masks very cool. Yeah, like nose pincher

[02:15:56] Gas bomb that he like throws theatrically into the air and there goes Yeah, and it's like a green gaseous cloud gas like Chip Smith's ex-wife that's true Chips Chip Smith the entity has a lot of Chip Smith energy. I feel

[02:16:11] The entity yes, absolutely. Yes. I think that's gonna be a takeaway from a lot of people Yeah, we're like what's the NNDs deal pass? And I just wanted to say I'm glad you accept the mission thank God Ben thank God you

[02:16:26] How did we do timeline wise is this two and a half hours? Yeah With ads. Yeah. All right, okay, or at least close office. It'll be this Sort of tracking around 90 100. So the highest ever really I heard it was like 87 for the five-day which is

[02:16:44] That's Indiana Jones on the dial of destiny. No Nothing tracks at 87 things track in round number. I don't know. I was listening to the latest episode of the town Okay, and he did his little call sheet at the end

[02:16:56] I know David just made a face. Yeah, but you did not make a face Hear the eye. They could hear his eyeballs going Yeah Well, I mean Hollywood Reporter had a tracking at 90, okay, which would be the highest for the it's not a franchise that opens high

[02:17:12] holds quite Surprising to me when Top Gun Maverick was Cruz's biggest ever I Do think this is gonna open over a hundred is my prediction just because the summer has been a little bit

[02:17:28] Underwhelming and it feels like this movie has more genuine excitement behind it. Yeah, it's funny. But yes Yes, the box the globe did the box office is actually not really down at all

[02:17:38] But it's partly because the spring was kind of hot. Yeah, and then the summer has been a little cool Because most of the movies been least we're not good that's the huge issue

[02:17:48] Yeah, right as much as everyone wants to wring their hands like Hollywood you gotta make movies the grosses haven't been terrible I just think there's been a little bit of lack and It's okay, well no I brought the tomato meter 89 reviews in 98% dead reckoning. Yeah

[02:18:07] I'm just like who Who didn't like it and that was calculated through dead reckoning the tomato meter. They were like dead reckoning those tomatoes. Yes And I'm looking here the entity gave it 10 out of 10

[02:18:21] That's what it wants you to think it gave it yeah, this is a good time to announce We're really excited to be joining the entity entertainment network the EN Streaming everywhere on every screen that exists in society. Yes next week Oppenheimer correct

[02:18:37] Are we doing a Barbie episode? No, because we haven't covered her. She's an example of someone we'd wait to cover something We'll do an emergency episode on insidious the red door

[02:18:46] Patrick Wilson series begins. We made this very clear. We're not doing emergency episodes anymore unless the doors about to be open in which case We must be there to step through it. I'm gonna say I don't know if you guys agree with me

[02:18:58] We kind of already knew about the Narnia news like this isn't new news Floated you were like, it's just some dumb Netflix rumor like a Twitter rumor and now it seems

[02:19:07] I just don't know why Greta Gerwig would think she can make an adaptation of a beloved young readers book No, I I just don't know what she's never had any success in that's funny David, but

[02:19:21] Narnia her eyebrows are pointing down. Um, it to me that feels like a very British text. Mm-hmm. What is her take? I don't know. I'll say this like two things in a row where you were like

[02:19:34] Do we need another little women and she was like I got a real take and they're like do we need a Barbie movie? She's like I got a real take. Well, we don't know if the Barbie movies good. No, but she's got things with real takes

[02:19:43] Right. So I'm just curious. I'm like what what is I'm assuming Does that How could you forget Lazy Monday I'm saying that way afternoon lazy Sunday was the original and she's like I'm gonna take it to Monday I'm gonna start the whole week off lazy. Yeah

[02:20:09] Basically created YouTube Next week Oppenheimer week after that back to park which one will be be up to at that point We'll have done lady Vengeance, so we're going to have I'm a cyborg, but that's okay right after all great. Yeah a

[02:20:28] Nice episode a nice episode a real fun one. Yeah But I hope you all Enjoy a dead reckoning and if you have your own thoughts don't share them with us Griffin

[02:20:41] Share with blank check product Twitter dot com or on blue sky. You can shoot the internet exists. Sure them gave you that invite Yeah, thank you David the internet exists. You can sure you can put your thoughts out there

[02:20:51] I'm saying don't just come at me and be like why disagree? All right. I thought the entity had bad points. He's made that clear Thank y'all for listening, please remember to rate review and subscribe thank you to Marie party party and it's an entity party this time

[02:21:09] Thank you to Ben. I want to go to a bentity party That's good now Yeah I should host a party the band where you're in a party that I design and I just watch people or something

[02:21:22] From a different room Ben's birthday party was piercing themed by the way He had magnetic piercing so everyone could give themselves their own bad boy 2.0 era It was really surprising to see some people with a note, you know, like their septum pierced

[02:21:38] I thought Nelly had done it for real. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I actually I fucked up a bit we should just say Yeah, Marie was trying to set up a bit where he she was gonna convince David that Griffin got his ear pierced Okay

[02:21:52] bunch of things about this if you want to have this on air Have you guys seen the other two episode where he's trying to send a selfie and then the live picture reveals Okay

[02:22:10] And so Marie sent a picture that was live, you know how Apple and the light in the live picture you see Griffin of fixing an earring Which is the sort of murder case a little bit Marie's doing the whole he pierces here. Nelly did it at the party?

[02:22:25] I'm like sure sounds like a bad And So then I'm just sort of doing the thing with Marie around like yeah, okay Yeah, you got is your piercing like mm-hmm

[02:22:39] I'm like great, you know, my friends are lying to me in text message form and then on another thread is like Blowing the bit anyway, let's also acknowledge that you went off into a separate text with Marie and went confirm for me that this

[02:22:53] What is this cuz I was annoyed it was no I was like why are you lying to me? I hate lies hate being lied to I thought I mean it was a little surprising to me

[02:23:01] But I thought you looked good with an ear. Well, David never disputed that I got a lot of got a lot of compliments We were hanging out with some fancy people and this was day two, by the way. Oh, okay. This was um

[02:23:13] Should we pop? I mean, yes, you were here. This is not a Ben's party. Not the Ben's party didn't have fancy people I'm sure it did but you were I was at Ben's party and very many fancy people

[02:23:22] Responded positively, but then my neck magnetic earring the next day was very there was a several movie stars and there was a Sheet of gem stickers going around and people were put him on their face and I went the ear was working for me yesterday

[02:23:38] Let me try it and people kept on saying I thought I forgot they were stickers. Yeah, and you're kind of selling the look several Movie stars you have my blessing. Thank you

[02:23:50] But maybe don't do it at a party maybe have a professional pierce here, why would I have a professional pierce? Why do it? Why why not just do it as sweaty drunken? I think Nelly would do a good job

[02:24:04] I'm not trying to say Nelly would do a bad job, but I think Nelly has the kind of you know Head on her shoulders that she would be like, maybe I shouldn't pierce ears while drunk at a party Over here

[02:24:24] Little blank check pod comm for links to some real nerdy shit Thank you to Joe Bowen Pat rounds for our artwork Lane Montgomery in the grand American novel for our theme song JJ Burch a Tim McKeon for our editing and No

[02:24:39] Baron and a Jimmy can for editing JJ Burch didn't do shit this week. Enjoy your fucking vacation And your free shout out, yeah, sure. Yeah, we'll invoice you for that shout out later We gotta thank horse our

[02:24:57] Delivery or a courier Teo Olsen great performance Patrick Willems. We have to also yeah Thanks, Patrick Willems who the taper and Marie owes you money for a broken I Have to like deliver a Micro cassette to him to record upon. No, I just had him record

[02:25:23] With his own equipment and then you record it off the computer speaker. Yeah Yeah, yeah That was fun. I was great I mean it would have been cooler if it was a pair of Oakley glasses that you had to put on

[02:25:38] I do want to share though just because it didn't end up delivering in time. I did in fact By invisible ink and a little black light What was the plan there the message would have been written and Beneath the party

[02:26:01] Pen and blacklight to check my wedding invitations when people don't Write in their names when they RSVP it's written in invisible ink who each person is and I've had to use it a couple times So I'm just saying I mean I have so many questions

[02:26:16] We could have made this work, but I didn't I was thrilled to be surprised I've also I should mention I've already suggested to Murray that you change the theme of her wedding to the entity. I

[02:26:27] Think it's an easy pivot and I think your parents will be on board. Yeah. Yeah Anyway, thank you all for listening And as always I'm genuinely worried to see what bits Ben has prepared for the Oppenheimer episode