Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind with Lulu Wang

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[00:01:56] Yeah, that's the first of the many dumb things I do that you will see I crammed the word podcast and butcher something from the movie. Yeah some piece of dialogue From the movie or tagline

[00:02:12] I'm trying to what are the other annoying things I do my general behavior right sure you talk about yourself David was trying to prep our guest right before we started recording and his directions were it's loose It's fine the conversation griffin's annoying those are the

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[00:03:11] You could do the Barbara Streisand, you know, she's always like this or you could do the one who I feel like Phil Collins does this Bono and the do you know the Christmas very important like I'm right?

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[00:03:50] I was halfway through the introduction and I stopped myself to compliment myself and how quickly I was doing the introduction and thus Derail the introduction called blank check it's a podcast about Filmographies directors who have massive success early on their career given a series of blank check

[00:04:04] Whatever crazy passion projects they want and sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby So many series on the films of Hayao Miyazaki It's called howl's moving pod castle. That's right and today we're talking about Naska Valley of the wind Yeah, just a second film and

[00:04:20] Arguably is like kind of the guarantor for his career. It's it's the one that writes the check for his right This is the premise we talk about that there's usually the film that then gives them they hand them the checkbook You know what I mean? There's like directors

[00:04:33] Especially I mean it's not as true as it used to be but like directors who make some movie where Hollywood's like, okay Clearly I guess you know what you're doing. So what's the craziest thing you've ever wanted to do? Wow? What is that like? I'd love to know

[00:04:50] Rare and often male phenomenon Yes, I want to I want to ask a bunch of questions so proper introduction our guests today Incredibly illogically is the director of the farewell Lulu long. I want to ask you Yeah

[00:05:07] Do you feel any sort of shift now because you you have this movie that is the only successful independent film of 2019? And not only that one of the only movies to not underperform at the box office relative to expectations and is so well reviewed

[00:05:23] Do you feel like any sort of shift in terms of like increased? Opportunities that you have or are you so much in the like press hamster wheel that you don't even know yet?

[00:05:35] No, no, there's definitely been a shift. Yeah, I'm getting submitted a lot of different projects. I've set up Another feature right amazing. It's very exciting. Yeah, and I also I got to set that up

[00:05:49] Only because of the success of the farewell, but I did set it up with the same production company big beach And it's a much bigger movie That requires probably some some amount of effects

[00:06:03] Which which means higher budget, but I also was able to negotiate final cut. Hey, which is a really big deal Oh, people don't get that. Yeah. It's a really big deal. You know both like both In a in a practical way, but also in a symbolic. Yeah way

[00:06:19] Yeah, I I don't know obviously, you know people don't talk about this stuff enough I feel like in the industry so I don't know how uncommon it's gotten for you to get final cut But it does feels very yeah, I also like

[00:06:30] Sometimes people will question like to us like is this I'm so unprofessional Sometimes people question like does this count as a blank check film or not see the same person texted both of us Does this count as blank check film or not?

[00:06:46] Or they'll present a movie that costs 150 million dollars and be like wow looks like this person got a blank check But to me what you've just described sounds like a blank check

[00:06:54] You are making a film at a size that you could not have made if not for it's not a blank check It's just a bigger check, but but you also have final cut I do yeah That is cool

[00:07:05] Like for me the blank check is less about the number that you put on it and more about the freedom You have within whatever that number is if that makes sense It's true. It's true

[00:07:13] But I think also the reason I got it is because I proved myself to be a collaborative filmmaker Right and so in many ways they're not afraid of you like going wild and being like this is it and you can't right Exactly

[00:07:25] I don't want to hear any opinions from any anybody which there are quite a lot of filmmakers who sure want that or would do that and Ha ha maybe I've tricked them and now I can expose my real way little do they know

[00:07:39] But you know, it's always like that conversation where the financier will say but we've never had anyone actually use final cut Because we're really collaborative and I go well if nobody ever has to use it then why don't you give it to me to not?

[00:07:52] Why do you have to have it to not use who's gonna have it to not use yeah, and I'd rather have it so But that that speaks to this other thing that I feel like we don't talk about very much on the podcast

[00:08:02] Because it's hard to find sources about this but so often also getting those like increased tracks You know those bigger canvases and everything is based on like Proving to other people that you can do the job on a day-to-day basis

[00:08:16] Not just how the thing turns out and is received right like you know if you're at the Cross-section of the Venn diagram where it's like the things very well received and it's like making a profit

[00:08:26] But also the people who worked with you are like this is a responsible person Right, but I feel like that's a fairly new revelation to actually consider that Is that I feel like if you really look at track records in history?

[00:08:40] People who makes you know successful films and well-received films but are not pleasant to work with but they continue to work I just want to clarify quickly. Are you saying that sometimes bad behavior has been rewarded in the entertainment industry? Is this the sci-fi premise of your upcoming?

[00:08:58] Yes, completely society. No, it's true. It is true I think that's one of the reasons we don't talk about a bunch on this podcast Well, and also the way Hollywood is just like but you can't argue with the results you can't argue with money

[00:09:09] It's being made or what you're right, and that just becomes the bottom line But I think like you know a bad behavior or at least like dramatic behavior gets reported a lot more because it's more

[00:09:21] Exciting and salacious and something where life right? Yeah, there's not gonna be some like insider Hollywood reporters for that's like Expersion is really pleasant and you know everything runs on time over there

[00:09:32] An example of a career we talked about before is like I get the sense from all the things I've read and heard that like that's what happened with Christopher Nolan with insomnia Sure, we're like everyone's like oh he like they're like this guy's

[00:09:45] He's like good at handling all the personalities. He like calmed down Pacino made a movie movie It did well and they're like we trust that he can do Batman not because insomnia is like Batman

[00:09:56] Right, but because I think within Warner Brothers. They were like this seems like a pretty solid bet sure to not cause his headaches More often though it is it is the opposite It's it's very nice that you are bucking that trend

[00:10:09] I like when good people have good things happen that after I still have a long career to go I hope to prove to prove otherwise. So don't speak too early You can do 10 years

[00:10:21] Exactly right as long as I was good in the beginning. I can I can I can earn And then you get to have a redemption arc too. I mean if you really become an asshole and then they're like here

[00:10:30] She is she's like learned her lessons. Yeah, right? That's like an old Dennis Leary joke Right, it's like you can do whatever you want in Hollywood and then be like I went to rehab You know like I'm sorry Does that work for women you think? Troubled forever

[00:10:46] Dark history never worked Right, I don't know I think of someone like here's some dunce like she had this sort of like rapid-race. Yeah, and crash She she like dealt with her problems publicly. She's sort of back now

[00:10:58] But she is you know someone who does more like character roles and yeah, I also think like I don't know why that Immediately just she never got tagged with shit as much as like someone like Britney Spears that you know

[00:11:10] And Britney Spears is a very different person because she's also coming out of like this Experienced our collective pop culture like we made her live right? I mean, I was listening to her in the car and then the other day and I was thinking like this is like

[00:11:24] Unfortunetely and unfortunately like the most important like singer of my teen years. Yeah Why are we talking about Britney Spears? I just was like I feel emotionally connected to this person

[00:11:37] I've never met I will never really share any experiences with I mean in many ways she is like our heroine Nazca yes Was kind of joking

[00:11:50] It was like here she is like Britney Spears you're gonna be like she's the next Madonna. She whatever, you know, like she's the next like Number one, do you know pop diva? Generation help all of us. Yeah And then everyone and then when someone crashes in birds right

[00:12:06] But also I feel like when someone crashes in burdens often it's sort of like well That's what happens isn't it that's the classic Hollywood story You know you're up then you're down and also no accountability of the pressure and the obstacles that everyone else placed around them

[00:12:18] Yes, I mean NOSCA literally crashes in birds. Yeah, she does. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but NOSCA To NOSCA's advanced she her disadvantages include like she lives in an apocalyptic fungus world Very like literally toxic Genuinely toxic

[00:12:38] Isn't that the name of a Britney Spears on yes, that's Britney's best objective best not my favorite but like it's the objective That's sort of like my favorite whenever that song came out

[00:12:50] Like my 15th birthday or whatever my birthday party. I burned a mix CD that was a toxic 20 times Great now I'm now I'm envisioning NOSCA remix with Britney Spears toxic playing in the background

[00:13:08] As the spores come out I would argue that toxic goes with everything you can place toxic under anything and it would improve the felt Yeah, it was just that's such a crazy thing to think about that. I was like this is it

[00:13:21] I don't have an iPod right. I just want to be able to hear this song The only song I like listening to so I'm just gonna 20 times copy it into Whatever my my CD burning app was you are someone who fixates on I fix it on things

[00:13:34] Yeah, but I had that album and I put it on Did you have any pop music in the front? There's no there's songs in the farewell But there's no like there's a hair and nails right in the cover in the end credits

[00:13:44] It was that like hard to wrangle like is that that always seems like so stressful all the rights thing Oh my gosh. Yes. Well, I wanted that song for a really so first of all and that specific cover well So

[00:13:56] Here's the Genesis I wanted the an Italian version of Without you, okay, which oh right Jesus, right which it turns out. It's one of the most covered songs But it's all Harry Nielsen. It's like Harry Nielsen singing it in Italian here Nielsen singing in Spanish

[00:14:16] And he doesn't speak those languages where he was just phonetically singing a bit right Yeah, I guess so and so it turned out to be very hard to get the rights to it because

[00:14:25] We got the temporary like festival rights so that we could use it first on it but Because they couldn't track down the people who own the rights the train like it's really the translator that owns the rights

[00:14:38] It's not even like the label. Yeah, it's like some guy who was just like Looking over at the American lyrics and translating it Exactly like who knows who who they got back then and they like tried to track this person down couldn't track them down

[00:14:49] So it would have been a risk to do it because we could always Like they might end up and come back and sue us and so we had to then do our own cover and Okay, but it's a very nice Yeah, we had this wonderful guy Fredo

[00:15:08] He did the cover for it and we and I had this idea and I said we're gonna do a cover of it Then let's just invite a bunch of my friends and drink a lot of tequila and do it with like a karaoke style

[00:15:20] A little bit so that it because that's what it was the at the end of the reason why I wanted to all the group voices Come in yeah, like it's awesome. That's why I wanted to do it

[00:15:29] I was like this is such like an Asian song because it's something that I feel like gets sang a lot Is it really popular there? Houston this it's like there's something Michael Jackson. There's something very like

[00:15:45] International did it in season one of American Idol. It was one of her showstopper But karaoke is karaoke like common at a wedding in China like it's that people do karaoke I don't know. I have not actually not been to that many Chinese weddings

[00:15:59] surprisingly only you just made a movie Also, like you kind of went to the best one. I did go pretty great Yeah, well, I've only been to you know my families and there's not that many

[00:16:11] Yeah, that's really the only one I've ever been to so but that one did have karaoke It did it had like a you know, like a home system like karaoke system And so not not super professional. Did you do killing them softly?

[00:16:25] You do a song in real life At that wedding I did it was me and my dad it was it was yeah I'm trying no, you know what we didn't do killing me softly But that's my dad's favorite song

[00:16:37] Okay, we tried to find it and we could not find it on the machine So we sang without the karaoke machine this song That's actually from now. I know from razor blade lantern. Oh sure. Oh, oh No um

[00:16:54] Yeah, I think it's yes. I think it no, it's a it's the other Johnny Mo film Sorghum. Oh, yeah red. So I'm sure I'm gonna see now

[00:17:03] I'm only remembering the Chinese area. Yeah red red sorghum and it's the song that she's singing as she's walking away and it's like There's subtitles a young little Huh a young gangling yes young only is walking away and it's like little sister Keep going don't turn around

[00:17:22] Something like that But like my dad used to sing it to me as a as a little kid when I was young He would just sing and I had no film reference for it

[00:17:30] I was just like the the song that my dad would sing and it's very uh May may need a done above, you know, it's very you can put your whole body into Yeah

[00:17:41] Belt it and and so to make my grandma laugh my dad and I sang that song with no backing track No backing track and it's kind of you just did acapella karaoke. Yeah. Yeah, really embarrassing

[00:17:53] But that song I think I feel like we would have actually had a harder time to get the rights to right in some yeah Well, yeah, it sounds like Weirdly the things that are more obscure are harder to clear because

[00:18:06] No one put the time in yeah to do the paperwork Who would ever want to use this for anything? Yeah, there's so much shit like that But it's great culture goes on and on and things get to surface and but right yeah our friend JD Amato sure

[00:18:22] When he was in college worked at Troma film sure he was like an intern there which made him number four the ranks of trauma film right And he pitched them on this idea of like we should try to do toxic crusaders

[00:18:37] Which was the weird Saturday morning version of toxic Avenger a Movie that is super transgressive and the least child-friendly thing in the world They briefly tried to make into a Ninja Turtles style cartoon that was all about saving the environment

[00:18:50] Which is not with the movies about creatures right and they're like we're cleaning up pollution Right and the bad guys are all like corporate monsters, right? It was like somewhere between Captain Planet and

[00:19:01] Ninja Turtles and JD was like we should try to do like a new toxic crusaders cartoon And they pitched it to adult swim and they loved it and they couldn't Find the contracts right from the old cart. They were like we have the rights

[00:19:15] He was like I spent six months going through filing cabinets And they just read and I found like the original cells from it I found like the audio tracks but not the content I could never find the contracts to be able to do it

[00:19:25] Donkey Kong story when Nintendo created Donkey Kong and they were like, you know Yeah, he's kind of like King Kong but like who's gonna sue us and then Universal was like when it got big when it became this phenomenon

[00:19:37] Universal is like we are absolutely suing you. This is King Kong. You're ripping us off Yeah, and Nintendo was about to be destroyed like that would have destroyed them And then someone at Nintendo was like do they own Donkey?

[00:19:47] Do they own King Kong and they checked and they did not yeah No one had registered King Kong like it was just Universal just assumed they owned it Yeah, and so Nintendo owns King like bought the trademark the video game trademark

[00:20:00] But like like they made it yes exactly they made it so like King Kong could not like be associated You know they got him they got the Donkey Kong rights before anyone had figured out the King Kong right exactly So we're not a valley of the wind. Yes

[00:20:14] Coming off of Castle of Cagliostro, right? This is Miyazaki's second film It's his first film that he himself has like brought to fruition, but it's not a G-Blee film No, he's sort of later gets the rights back right right, but it's founded with Castle in the sky, right?

[00:20:30] Doesn't he do G-Blee right after this? Yeah. Yeah, this is kind of that's why you would maybe call this like the guarantor This is what that's him the cred to have his own studio Yes, and let us say Lulu has put in more

[00:20:43] Prep work than any other guests we've ever had on the show and that you watched every Miyazaki film two times Maybe exaggeration not every but I tried to watch right, but I also think it's important to watch it

[00:20:55] You have a very different experience when you watch the the new dub version the old dub version the old the Japanese Dialog it just I mean as somebody who's bilingual. Yeah, and he's just made a film that's bilingual that stuff is important I have been

[00:21:12] Tough on myself about the fact that I have not been diligent about watching each one in both versions Because I feel I've been watching them all Subtitled and I feel like well, that's like obviously the purer version the preferred version

[00:21:25] But I also feel like I'm not getting like 25% of the experience I the way this I am more of a I've seen all the movies before Griffin is kind of a Miyazaki Nia fight. Yeah, it's more of an animation fan than I am right Griffin is more steep

[00:21:36] This is a big blind spot for me, and I'm like this is my but so I have seen I had never seen the the new Disney dub of this that was done. I think about 10 or 15 years ago

[00:21:48] 2005 yeah, so I watched the dub I watched the Allison Lohman Patrick Stewart dub I do love how much all of the Disney dubs are such time capsules of the exact year Yeah, whoever especially because of Miyazaki always often has a plucky female character, right?

[00:22:05] And so you're right like who was the plucky female? You know sort of voice actor they could be like sort of moderate star like Shia LaBeouf is sort of the plucky male Teen that you can like right from that era, right? This is like the year before

[00:22:18] Transformers this is the one moment where Shia LaBeouf would be your choice for this Like he's a couple years past being goofball even Stevens guy, right? But he's not yet serious leading man He's not like Hollywood just being like I guess you're the biggest star in America

[00:22:32] You know what I mean like I've got transformers like let's find you some stuff to do Do you remember that Vandy fair cover? That's him in the desert with a spate suit and it says like Shia LaBeouf has landed is he the next Tom Hanks?

[00:22:44] Like that's another example Did you see any other movies when you were at Sundance? I'm sure he had his movie like he did yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm friends with Alma and we just uh Yeah, I'm a Harrell. I believe yes. We I did not have exactly

[00:23:00] I did not have time to watch a single My eyes were like down at the ground as I was being ushered from room to room and into cars And then into like another room it's a very surreal place anyway, but it's Park City

[00:23:14] The whole yeah, that's thing is very surreal Here's another question. I want to ask you and I apologize if this is something you don't want to answer Because it's too stressful Does it feel like you're running like a presidential campaign right now?

[00:23:28] Like because of like you premiere the movie in January people love it there it gets bought You're doing months of lead up to it coming out now. You're doing the press afterwards

[00:23:37] Everyone's obviously going like is this like could this be an awards thing? Does it feel like you're on just like This like year-long like endless Definitely and then it's like keeping the conversation going

[00:23:50] It's like the stories outside of the main story and it's like well I put the story in from well What is every other angle that you know like that we can go? How's your cousin doing and how's your how's your dad doing how's your mom?

[00:24:02] So what did she do before what she do now and how do they feel and we haven't sold this side of you or sold you to this Cross-section of all right and you made a movie. That's a it that's inspired by your own life

[00:24:11] So you've got that where people are actually just like so I feel like I know you really well Like tell me more about your mom or what it right like yeah, right? Yeah, absolutely. I just I can't imagine that like sense of like

[00:24:23] You like you spike a ball in January right the movie premieres everyone loves it Must feel like a massive sense of relief to some extent yeah Everyone's like cool now. You're gonna work relentlessly for like the next 12 months

[00:24:35] No, it's true and every time I'm like how much longer guys how much is like you're at the tail end like someone one person May 24 be like thank you You're at the tail end of this and I'll be like thank God and then I'll like

[00:24:46] Talk to someone else and they'll be like we're right at the beginning The beginning I'm like what are you talking man? You know, it's just like it all just depends on your perspective

[00:24:54] Right you finished phases of it. Yeah, that will transition into other because I've never been through it I don't know what phase I'm in I don't know how much longer the phases Do you feel that pressure of like

[00:25:06] Like oh like this this is like testing really well when we like talk about it like this this sees this bump in activity Versus like you're not like no Getting your head about it. Yeah, no, I think they're just like you know

[00:25:20] Like don't don't don't say anything super weird I don't know I Could name examples maybe of other directors and they're just like don't do that Don't you don't sure don't name the person you slept with the night before

[00:25:32] Yeah, you know on air and be like but I'm giving her a platform. Yeah, don't do that. I was like, okay I won't do that Yeah, that's I mean very good advice Do you find though that like like the the

[00:25:45] Limited burst of press that I have done in my life, which are nothing compared to what you're going through right now Yeah, I ended up feeling like when I used to be like a greeter at the Disney store

[00:25:57] And I'm just like auto reflexive which she used to be I used to be a greater at the Disney store Not trying to you know throw down the gauntlet and press you too much But I used to be the greeter at the Disney store second floor Times Square

[00:26:09] Understand why they need a second floor greater because there were three first four graders But they said the second floor should feel like a different store entirely

[00:26:17] But but when I had like my four lines of copy and I would just say them over and over again all day to different people And when you're doing press it's like this you generally talk about

[00:26:30] The same basic types of things kind of yeah, and then if I would find that if I would try to for the sake of my Unsandy go off of the basic things I would then get so nervous about like am I saying something I shouldn't say right?

[00:26:42] Yeah, but that's but I also don't want to feel like Disney and that's why intentionally like just try to be present in the moment and respond Authentically and yeah, but it's hard because you're just like was it was that was I okay to say that?

[00:26:55] I don't know it's definitely safer to stick right to the Sort but it makes you feel like a phony. It makes you feel like you're losing your mind sure Yeah, and I was just talking to a journalist who did a piece on AOC and also did a

[00:27:11] Hillary did like a followed her on the campaign trail and was just saying how like what's So great about Alexandra is that she's so young and so excited and she'll just she'll speak her mind

[00:27:23] She hasn't jaded yet. She hasn't been like you don't watch her give the same answer like 400 times exactly exactly And she's speech for and she doesn't mind She's like ready to fight, you know, but then but and when she gets in the car

[00:27:35] It's sort of like whoo how is that like let's debrief about it like a real person But in following Hilary unfortunately like she's just been You know Bombarded for how many she's been in the soup for like 40 it's like someone Fandom of the opera. Yeah, it's like

[00:27:53] So like when she gets in the car, she just sort of like powers down and is quiet No, she's I mean no the wall stays up

[00:28:00] Like the wall is up against press. Yeah, she gives the things that you know the talking points and when she gets in the car She's always on yeah, basically

[00:28:08] She doesn't know how to turn it off and because the journey it's a journalist and she knows it's a journalist She is still on so you just can't beneath get beneath that wall Whereas Alexandria, it's like, you know, you see the that there's a human underneath

[00:28:21] Yeah doing their best and it's one of the zillion things that's so engaging and exciting about her It's like you're like, oh, this is like me. This is a person I can like imagine like answering emotionally

[00:28:31] It's like the real version of like the person you could get a beer with right? Yeah, that old like political litmus test like oh, well, you know, I could get a beer with that guy

[00:28:39] David just picked up his water bottle empty water bottle and pretended he was drinking a beer But I so like I Actors who I respect a lot who I think are enormously talented and also are decent

[00:28:56] Seemingly centered human beings who have advised me like you should just do the thing where you prepare all your answers in advance Oh, yeah Give everyone the same answers that you don't have the anxiety about saying the wrong thing or

[00:29:07] Performance anxiety about did I do better at this one or worse of this one or this or that? But I just feel like like the Hillary thing you're talking about that's like an invitation to start completely

[00:29:17] Like disconnecting yourself from reality. Yeah, you know we're then like like well, that's One of the things people talk about like how like like famous success like distorts people But I also think like press like really fucks with people's heads

[00:29:32] If they are under such a spotlight that they have to do it constantly Oh, yeah media training right and we'll go through media training And then you just become this like performative person all areas of your life and so protective that that's just like

[00:29:43] How are you ever gonna have that same sort of like? Organic emotional response to things. Yeah. Yeah, I also see the importance of it Right because I do think that there is a lot of Press out there who you know, they want to sound bite

[00:29:57] They might want something, you know where something goes wrong like so, you know Let's say you you work with somebody that you shouldn't and then it's like well, how are you gonna apologize? How are you gonna talk about it?

[00:30:06] And you it's hard right cuz you want to be honest But then if you get attacked totally for it then then you're like well Can I curse on the show? Oh, yeah Okay, you're like well fuck that I'm not gonna be honest anymore

[00:30:18] Fuck that all right such a relief. Yes Yeah, no, I I think like yes These are things there is nothing in the world that stresses me out more than than this

[00:30:30] Then then like press stuff and that's sort of challenge of like how do you try to be an authentic person in a world? We're also any single bit of press you do could end up having an equal amount of weight

[00:30:42] It's not like if you do something for the New York Times You can just be on your best behavior for that and the thing you do for like the Wichita Express yeah gonna get coverage because it could just get screen grabbed and go viral. Oh Grab like

[00:30:56] Three sentences or whatever one sentence and make it like a headline take it completely out of context and now you're engaged You're forced to engage in a conversation about something that was is was not meant to be taken that way

[00:31:09] And I'm sure you have experienced this and David I know is experiences on the opposite side of the table But just how fucking differently things read in transcript form it is nuts It is nuts and I do that happens to me when I've interviewed a director

[00:31:23] Whoever and you're like going through the transcript and you're like and right and you're like oh on paper This seems aggressive or this seems not funny like and I know Yeah, exactly and then you try to be like affects this kind of avoid

[00:31:37] You know try to sort of maybe like communicate the intent of the camera or you just like right They're always those things and like profiles that are like he stares off into the middle distance

[00:31:47] Because they're trying to get but not like tone obviously is a big part of it The other thing I find is like if you're doing that a lot it means they didn't say That's the real price

[00:31:56] Talking about how they like look at the air then you're in trouble. The other thing I find is that like removing rhythm Fucks with it a lot. This happened to me. I think I've talked haven't I interviewed Mackenzie Davis the actress That's your name

[00:32:10] She was for always shine which is the Sillindy movie with a great movie and I had like the most wonderful conversation with her we were just like so we were just laughing and saying

[00:32:19] I'll be and then I wrote it up as a transcript and I was like this is Unprinted It's just two people like chatting like there is some purpose to the more sort of like let me get a long answer out

[00:32:31] Of you with a short quite. You know what I mean? Yeah, I had a couple of those where I was like Man like all that press I did like for like season 2 That interview never came out. Uh-huh, right

[00:32:43] They typed it up and they're like, oh, this is just like two people talking to Dorks who like the same movies Why isn't answering questions about like what was it like the word?

[00:32:51] It's also weird to go off on because I speak sometimes like I just did right now in tangents Like I'll start to say a sentence and then I'll go off and then you're in the right place

[00:32:59] This is home of the tangent. Yeah, but if you type that out into a transcript You're like I sound so dumb. Why did they print that? Oh, why did they have me start a sentence?

[00:33:08] You know what I meant like take out that part 100% yeah, I like sometimes will like I Shouldn't do this check on something David's gonna check on something Okay, okay interesting I will sometimes like reach out to someone now

[00:33:26] It's like you know Twitter and it's easy enough to like contact the person afterwards and be like Can you just like remove those two words and I'm not like censoring myself

[00:33:35] And I'm not removing something that like is objectionable that I put in it. It's just like it sounds dumb That sounds dumb now. Yeah, you know, that's not what I meant and now it says yeah, right

[00:33:45] I would love that. I actually would I mean it's a lot more work obviously for me But if I had to read my own transcript and then edit it out But yeah, I would probably like that a couple times

[00:33:55] I've done that especially with like phone errors where I'm like Rambling and about stuff the tangents are long. I'm like, can you just send it to me before you publish it? I won't change the intent of anything. Yeah, I just want to streamline some of my rambling. Yeah

[00:34:07] I wish that I I'm learning I shouldn't say that because then people get fired for sending me shit. I guess yeah Well, I mean I just don't I don't even know that things are gonna be Transcript transcribe. Yeah, you know, I think we're having a conversation

[00:34:21] they're recording for the sake of like Being able to remind themselves and write it's to write the article and then later. I'm like, oh You were gonna just literally transcribe our conversation if I had known that I would have

[00:34:34] Spoken differently right? All right guys got it Lula has a tighter time window than I thought interesting So we got to talk Miyazaki now. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry We've been very tangentee, but I didn't realize you got a tighter window

[00:34:47] It's like you got a long day So I'm sorry to pivot it. Okay, so he makes Cag castle of Cagliostro, which is not well received despite being a fucking awesome movie Sure because the fans thought it was too much of departure from the series

[00:35:02] So then he's trying to make another film right you write some manga, right? Well that comes out of he tries to make another film. No no bites no buyers The publisher of the manga reaches out to him and says I liked Castle of Cagliostro

[00:35:18] Would you want to try to do something in print? So that's sort of someone throwing him a life raft Which then after a couple years of him doing that he said I think I could probably sell this as a movie

[00:35:28] He had now had a proof of concept. I never wanted to make a movie It was not his intention right right which I find really interesting that for him It was like I guess this is the pathway to be able to make a film again, right?

[00:35:40] Which is what I want to be doing but he didn't write he didn't write it with like I'll show him and then they'll they'll let me make and I don't think he even really I Think he had to really consider it before

[00:35:50] Wanting to before making it into a film because they're two different art forms It's it sounds like he had tried to pitch other films to the same producers and they were like no if we're gonna Give you money to make a movie. It should be this thing right

[00:36:04] Yeah, so he like kind of not grudgingly but had to figure out how to Adapt his own work that was fully designed for a different medium. Yeah, and not just as some proof of concept

[00:36:17] So what's your relationship with you Zaki before I dragged you onto this podcast and what had I seen? Yeah, like are yeah, how right had you watched him at all as a kid or was it more something you discovered when you're getting into movies

[00:36:28] More when I was getting into movies Yeah, I guess I mean I'd seen Princess Mononoke and spirited away and But years and years ago and I see Nazca, but the Japanese version had not seen this dub version

[00:36:44] But yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm you know, you're not like a Miyazaki file or anything like that. No, no, no, I guess Short in animation in general. It's not I love it. I enjoy when it's good. It's great But yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't call myself

[00:37:00] Yeah, so what was it like to yeah to fire it up How much did you get to watch like of other Miyazaki's because we were supposed to record this like a couple weeks ago

[00:37:10] And we've rescheduled because you specifically asked for more time to watch more of the I know and I wish that two thumbs up More than we usually do. Well, and honestly, I didn't watch as much as I wanted to I got the entire collection

[00:37:23] I saw yeah, right not not just a Miyazaki, but all of the other ones from the studio Yeah, which are all worth them the Takahata's are all amazing whisper of the heart is amazing. Yeah Yeah, didn't watch all of it. Yeah, there's a lot of movies

[00:37:36] You're also on a yeah publicity treadmill. Yeah, but we got a talk NOSICA. Yes, so let's talk NOSICA cool great So this movie opens awesomely I did not realize I Had so little understanding what this movie was before watching it

[00:37:56] Whereas the other jibblies I feel like I had more of like through osmosis like oh, this is the one that's like about that Or this and then like 60 seconds and I was like, oh wait, this is his Starship troopers Sure, like this is his people versus bugs movie

[00:38:10] It feels it also feels like his 10th movie not a second You know It feels like some opus that you work your way up to right because it's right This like big dense like universe that he's constructed with all these like warring tribes and like and encapsulate all

[00:38:23] All of his themes all his things. Yeah planes flight flight. I was gonna say bugs female Lucky lucky heroin it's also that thing though where this feels like man's relationship with nature You know what what the humanity has done to the world?

[00:38:38] Yeah, right at all for dominance of this stupid planet and like what is spirituality in the future gonna look like You know his religion falls away, but the other thing that like it's I think so far and away

[00:38:52] The most plotty of his movies which makes sense because he's trying to compress like this multi volume thing He wrote into like a sizable narrative whereas I feel like

[00:39:03] From watching his other films it feels like he tries to find a very simple thing and then tell the story as simply as possible With enough room to breathe. This is like his fastest moving movie

[00:39:17] Cover yeah, well, I appreciate that because in a way I feel like I experienced that as a younger filmmaker that you in a way don't know You don't trust that you're gonna have an abundant career and you're gonna get to make you're just sort of like

[00:39:32] This is it giving me a chance I gotta say everything I need to ever say I need to put in here Yeah, and then you know and then you gain confidence maybe and you go

[00:39:41] Oh, okay, like it's better to explore something small in depth and really go deep and Yeah Personal or quieter especially for him if you're the guy who made the unpopular entry in a popular franchise

[00:39:56] He's in that zone where it's like like he made the last Jedi of loop in the third Sure, we're like some people were like this is a masterpiece and other people were like not my loop it sure

[00:40:05] So the amount of backlash you must have felt was like scary Mm-hmm And then the time it took for him to be able to get another movie made and that it wasn't the thing

[00:40:13] He wanted to make the most but was this thing that happened in a roundabout way It does feel like him being like this could be my last movie

[00:40:18] Yeah, leave it on the dance. Oh, because I felt that way about the farewell. Really is my second film as well Yes, like so I mean that's a weird parallel. You were sort of like if I don't get to make this now like

[00:40:30] Yeah, and also because I had made a first feature didn't get distributed widely No one else was throwing money at me to let me make another film and I took the farewell and made it into a different medium Right, right and made it an IP

[00:40:47] American life and then that led me right you producers saying let's make that into a film Right and then me going Actually, I found a sort of purity of expression in this other medium Maybe it's fine as and maybe maybe that's better right which is kind of how

[00:41:04] Miyazaki felt when he did the manga right to say well if I do this for film are they gonna make me Make it. It doesn't need to be bigger. Does it need to how do and and like with with the bugs He kept it identical to the manga

[00:41:18] Yeah, you know and it was more about like how do I maintain the spirit that's in the manga the purity of it and yeah

[00:41:24] Transfer it to film which is something that I thought a lot about with the farewell was like how do I not like suddenly make it? these different plots and make it make it bigger and more cathartic than

[00:41:37] Then I want it to be how do I maintain the tone that I captured right and How did you do that? Yeah? Radio story. Yeah You know, you mean it's hard but like I don't know how you pulled that off Well, you push against sort of the

[00:41:55] The we need to be like this like can you introduce this kind of a thing? Yeah, you just question it and you go well cuz if this is successful Why is it successful right as a radio story like with when you when you don't have

[00:42:07] Visuals to look at and you have a very simple soundtrack and some and some you know textures Like because I had recorded sound from the wedding and my family and we did interviews

[00:42:17] But there's something so pure about all that and yet it connects and so that's the thing like I find about Nasaka it's like the simplicity of it is what Is so meaningful and it is what what connects and so?

[00:42:33] Yeah, I mean I just would question the need for some really dramatic plot and you know You know some kind of low point some kind of third act Turning point. Well, you know all right some more like farcical or high stakes like right? That's like, you know

[00:42:52] I mean the thing I love about your film and that I've been loving watching these me and zaki movies and discovering them is just like That that beautiful simplicity and that like confidence in the restraint You know where I just feel like I watch the farewell

[00:43:07] I watched so many of these films and I'm like this is incredible that he's not doing the thing That 99 out of 100 filmmakers would do that he's trusting he can convey it with like this gesture and not verbalize this like

[00:43:20] You know huge emotional point, which is like the farewells like like so much undercurrent so much unspoken stuff Yeah, and it's also not creating these Sort of artificial but standard Binaries right like good versus evil and this is this is how a woman behaves

[00:43:38] This is how a man behaves. This is what these are the good guys These are the enemies and you know, there's a lot more complexity Yeah in all of that even with the bad guys you're like, oh, I kind of understand why they're doing what they're doing

[00:43:50] It's out of protection not just because they're like Evil right right that's that's incredible like you compare this to Starship Troopers and Starship Troopers ends with Nazi Neil Patrick Harris sure reading the mind of the bug and

[00:44:03] Cheering the fact that they're afraid because it's all about propaganda and this is like her being like oh wait fuck They're like just trying to survive. Yeah, right, you know, it's like she comes at it with like complete empathy

[00:44:16] We have to get Lulu out of here. We can keep. Oh, I think so. I know I'm sorry. I'm sorry I think we say one last thing

[00:44:23] What I love to and I have a question about is that he says that people people have said Nazca is his like most Optimistic film, okay, which he's happy

[00:44:36] Happily things could be better right there are victories and well and he rejects that he he feels like he feels like well All my films are optimistic They're hopeful

[00:44:45] But maybe the reason that people feel the most with Nazca is because it has what he says is a catharsis at the end and he did that as a way just to wrap up the story and end the story and and

[00:44:55] Said from from you know from from then on he never wanted to do that again is have this like catharsis Like yeah, and I love that because I do think like I wonder if that's a very Western thing to

[00:45:09] Desire catharsis. Yeah, right. Why are it something must have changed here? Yes Why else would I have experienced this story exactly and in many ways? It's like if his movies are not about like

[00:45:21] You watch the movie and then you feel good that things are changed in the end. It's like actually It's a it's a it's a calling to continue to think about these issues. It's it's not that simple Yeah

[00:45:31] I think also like the most interesting movies and the farewell certainly falls into this are like stories of people Learning to accept what has been the case Sure, right rather than being like fundamentally changed by something or like someone interests the situation and they for some reason

[00:45:47] The person who can magically change everything like more it's more just like a person's situation They have to come to turn right when things become that fully transformative, you know Yeah

[00:45:56] And can that be a hero can can a person be a hero simply by coming to a greater understanding? Yeah, rather than you know being actually the person who comes and changes the entire situation and saves the day quote-unquote

[00:46:10] Right, right, which I feel that feels to me like a very like Western perspective of like You know put a bow on it like done saved we're good, right?

[00:46:19] And and Naska deals with that shit and with also like oh like the legend of a savior coming with a blue dress from the sky

[00:46:26] And all these sorts of things were like and they were like oh this is what that they view her as like an archetype of like the one Where they're like well she's just gonna solve this. She's gonna save everyone's not with the day, right?

[00:46:37] She's just a person who's trying to get a better understanding of the world. We'll keep talking but Lulee I think I mean I would love to keep you but I think you know Okay

[00:46:50] I was gonna try to name all the like current female people we talked about Britney Spears like who are Nazca AOC yes, right Other people who are not Britney Spears AOC Like he's sort of young

[00:47:12] Like you know like the Rihanna's of the world where people like this person is changing how everything works like it's right like Yeah, they're like Different worlds and like hey, I'm coming from this side, but I'm not arguing for them. I'm here as a

[00:47:31] Mediator right right yeah, I keep thinking about is it like Natalie Portman who almost played Nazca was announced by Disney to play Nazca Is someone where it's just like oh culture has been putting all of our bullshit on her for 20 years

[00:47:47] It is yeah the arc of her career is great right When you think about the kind of role she played when she was a teenager Media and like yeah Well, thank you for coming please return anytime you want. I'm sorry podcast is so long

[00:48:01] Yeah, no, no, I love it Well, I'll come back when things are calmer sure and we'll talk other directors. Amen I mean doing next and then done Ruben Austin that might be a secret out. We haven't you haven't no

[00:48:13] You're bigger even off. I just talked to him for like an hour and a half It was the most amazing if you want to come in just do Lulu's choice and we can do

[00:48:21] This right yeah, oh yeah, but one of David's favorite yeah, okay, and we're back. We're back. Hi, we're back Yeah, I'm gonna paraphrase everything that we talked about for the last 40 minutes when we took a break

[00:48:39] Okay, yes, we had to we only had Lulu for an hour ish so we thought we had it for longer We take up a lot of people's time. This is a fact we do we're very aware of that I realized we didn't have her for longer because

[00:48:52] She's got a whole day ahead of her. This is also a thing the public sense Yeah, whatever. I'm happy that they let her be on the show meet me to want to shit. I'm not I'm not shit talking anyone I'm just saying when I was

[00:49:06] Doing tech press and I was like I want to use this to get on the podcast that I would like to guest on They would always be like you expect us to let you sit somewhere for two hours

[00:49:17] Only doing one thing wasn't dope boys the one where they were like we need him like all day basically They're like well, we have to have dinner with him in Long Beach the night before

[00:49:27] And then over two hours to record the following day and I was like this is the most important thing in the world to me And they were like no fucking way Here's the thing I want to say and I don't I don't I you know

[00:49:38] That might sound like corny. I'm connecting thoughts for the sake of neatness, you know The type of catharsis we were saying we don't always need Lou feels like she's kind of in a nautica position right now Nautica position when we were in this break. We were talking about

[00:49:56] How crazy it must feel to be her right now? Everyone's like you in actual circles, right? She is getting that same sort of attention of everyone being like you're the thing right, right? You're like a genius everything you think you was fascinating, right?

[00:50:12] Do you know about all the stuff that's happening in culture right now, right way in right sound? But also all the expectations of like we expect this movie is gonna get hardware in nine months and

[00:50:22] Like the fact the fact that it is like the best performing indie of the year in a year where indies are not performing well She's like if she seems to be handling it very well

[00:50:32] Yeah, but I just cannot imagine the stress. She's under right now. Yeah, she is she is handling it though with the grace Invaluent heroism of Nautica now. What do you think of Nautica griff? I like it. Yeah, I will say weirdly

[00:50:47] Because we have largely been going out of order Mostly I'm sorry. I said the opposite of what I've been largely going in order But this one we had to reschedule so we're doing it a little right. We've got a lot of them already, right?

[00:51:01] So yes, we had mostly done them in order and I feel like I would enjoy this more if I had seen it sandwich in between Lupin and castle in the sky Because now that I've seen like the evolution away from it

[00:51:15] This one feels like a little busy to me where I'm like hey, hey, hey, slow it down But it's likely we were saying that sort of like He might have just been like hey

[00:51:25] He's leaving on the dance floor right they're giving me money to make this thing. I'm gonna make this and that elements of Impressive because he's taking his manga which goes on right and sort of giving it a bit of a clear ending

[00:51:35] Yeah, right. Here's another thing about it, which I kind of like But it's just an empirical fact sure this is kind of the only one of his movies

[00:51:45] And I'm not gonna speak about this very elegantly because I will lack most of the terms. Okay? Okay. This is kind of his only movie that I Recognize has a bunch of animation cheats in it. Oh sure sure sure was made right made much cheaper and right

[00:52:00] Yeah, and like Lupin he presumably had greater resources because it was a big franchise Yeah, already it was a proven thing and then after this he's proven himself and like this for example once again a thing I aesthetically love this is no detriment to me right. I love

[00:52:16] Practical shit. I love the seams of movie making. You know. Yeah. Yeah, I like being able to see shit But just because we've been watching these other ones that are like so clean so immaculate and are also

[00:52:30] On these blu-rays especially transfers that are like off of the original elements Oh of the animation whereas you're watching this and you're like this is a restoration of

[00:52:40] The film print capture of the animation cells if that makes sense, right? You know like you see yeah the flicker and the What's the cheat here? Here's like an example of a cheat Yeah, it changes at the very end for the final couple of battles

[00:52:55] But for a lot of the movie the big bugs are done with cutout animation Oh, yeah, so rather than it kind of gives them a cool look though Even I know what you're talking rather than hand drawing frame by frame these super detailed large things

[00:53:12] They're kind of moving them right It's the style that South Park started with is now approximating where you cut out pieces of paper and you move those pieces of paper and so like the big bugs are like four different pieces of paper that they

[00:53:23] Compress and expand like an accordion, but they're not like sort of pulsating and vibrating like if you were drawing every little element of them No, they are it's essentially two-dimensional stop motion right if that makes sense. Yeah, there's stuff like that

[00:53:37] I think and I have no you know proof to back this up I imagine that the design of the facial hair on most of the main characters is Also to simplify

[00:53:48] Mouth movement there are some big bushy stashes in this film and you have a majority of the male characters and By that proxy a majority of the characters Who just have a mound of her in front of their mouth that just vibrates a little bit when they talk?

[00:54:03] Yeah, and you don't have to worry about that's kind of a cool look too. These are all things that I I just think it's interesting to watch because after this it becomes the maestro who's lush right and There was a thing on the Wikipedia it said

[00:54:17] That for this film I don't know if this is like a standard thing in Japanese animation or not But I certainly like felt like they only cited this to To pass along the pressures the financial pressures upon the movie that the animators were paid per frame Oh

[00:54:35] Crazy, so I imagine they were really like counting the beans about like how many frames are you gonna devote to? You know yeah, I do And so I see more things where like I see a couple of things too where it feels like the layered cell of like

[00:54:50] Hannah Barbera thing we're like the character is kind of still and only their hand is moving Right, there are only a couple moments with things like that But I I found it very interesting to watch him Trying to be resourceful

[00:55:04] And crafty because the scale of this movie is so fucking big The scale is big crazy storytelling scale is also yeah, right because like it opens and you're like It's like the seven days of fire. There's an apocalypse. Yeah, you're like, okay. It's a post apocalyptic world

[00:55:20] Right get that right to get that. Yeah, it's fine. Here's Nossica. What does she do? Yeah flies on a cool glider Mm-hmm. Where's a cool gas mask? Yeah Is that princess I guess of like, you know the Valley of the wind is like right and I'm like, okay

[00:55:36] I can get that yeah, that's cool And then like an airship crash lands and there's a princess in it and the airship was from one tribe in the Princess is from another tribe and then suddenly I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like I need to write this down

[00:55:47] I'm sorry. I didn't get all this right. I felt that because the first 20 minutes. I was like I'm getting it. I'm getting it exactly. Yes. Yes. And then I was like, okay

[00:55:54] I got a pause re consult the Wikipedia 100% the thing that I think hangs was my hang up I remember the first time I saw it I didn't get that the princess who dies who was in the is not from the same kingdom is the sort of belligerent

[00:56:08] airship kingdom That you know attacks, right? Cool. I also did not get that until just now, right? She and the as the Shia LeBouf, you know the Asbel are from a third kingdom, right? The one that is not as warlike And

[00:56:27] Has found that old apocalyptic, you know the the sort of crazy thing that they're right But would never deploy it. Uh-huh and they've been captured because the war like The the you know the crazy princess lady in the metal armor, right?

[00:56:40] Yeah, they're the ones who want to like deploy it, right? And so there's three factions. Yeah, you could easily watch this movie and be like there's two factions, right? Yeah, there's the valley of the wind people and there's everyone else, right?

[00:56:53] This was the one and it's all made up names Yes, this was the one too where as I was saying I was most tempted to put on the dub just because I'm like Yes, just might make my life a little easier. Sure. Yes It did I

[00:57:05] You did it. Yeah, I feel like I should have done it because I felt a little I switched it like Yeah, because it just got too dense and I was like that's the thing

[00:57:14] I feel like I spent four or five hours watching this movie because I kept on taking breaks to try to like Like reorient myself And I could have just watched it with two hours with the dub and and I thought I was going to feel like a phony

[00:57:26] But now it turns out that I'm the only one who didn't do that. That's right. I have seen the subtitle version More than a couple times I had never seen the dub

[00:57:34] Yeah, and I think I've never seen the dub because I associated this one with having a notorious dub and then I realized like Oh, no, there is actually like a

[00:57:42] That's why I was well regarded do it. Yeah, right and I watched the well regarded dub and it seemed Pretty good. You know, I always feel the same way though where I'm like, oh, that's Patrick Stewart

[00:57:53] Right, and then I'm just like watching this character that was not drawn with Patrick Stewart in mind Yeah, and I'm just thinking of Patrick Stewart. I'm thinking of Jean-Luc Picard I'm thinking and I'm like Patrick Stewart magic do it

[00:58:05] You know, it's just sort of like whispering in the back of my head and I just can't avoid it Lord Yupa is pretty cool I mean no, but the thing where he grabs her sword and like is just slowly bleeding on it. Yeah

[00:58:19] That's pretty cool. I'm loving how quickly we're just like sleeping back into our usual Silly bullshit Yeah This person is fucking I I didn't say anything He bends just like You saw the fair while you were deeply moved by it

[00:58:43] Texting the shit out of us, right? Yeah, because I have I have to do this with my grandparents They're 97 and 95. That's very old. Wow celebrating their 75th wedding anniversary And they don't really remember me or the each other. It's really sad

[00:59:01] That is sad. That is uh, so this was just heavy for me to see this movie with that context and also this is just a It's a very I think it's a wonderful movie. She made a great movie. I think it might be the movie of the year

[00:59:12] Yeah, I have a couple of it. It's your number one It's my one two. I keep flipping between it in the souvenir. I have not decided guys My list is always in flux. Yeah, um, but it is a movie that I saw at Sundance

[00:59:23] The the lights came up Credits were rolling. I leaned over to ester my seat man said like that was Incredible, yeah, and I never do that at film festivals. Usually at film festivals I'm kind of like all right. Let me think about that, right?

[00:59:35] You know, you don't want to just come out and be like movie of the year Well, because especially at film festivals, yeah Like the thing could just everyone else season is like whoa trash, you know, and you're like, oh

[00:59:44] Not only that but it's such a specific environment where you're like so many movies a day that you get distorted by certain things Like movies play better or worse depending on what movie was before after them

[00:59:54] And also the thing that is 100 true and not a joke, which is like there's the sundance high altitude thing That sometimes warps people's brains and like good movies get slept on and bad movies. They're like, oh Trump I can't feel my hands

[01:00:12] 100 100 percent sundance is crazy. It's truly surreal But I like lean over to ester and I was like that was fucking phenomenal And we walk out and then like what did ester say? She agreed. She was like piece of shit. Yeah, she loved it and

[01:00:27] She was like what and because the people like climbing I was like that was really good and she was like, yeah No, you're right. Like And then like a while later. I was like just sitting

[01:00:38] This never happens to me just sitting and I thought about the ending of the farewell And I started crying. Yeah, that's crazy I thought about the final shot of the farewell And then and then the emotional hammer blow that she reveals in the post credits

[01:00:54] And I started to cry. Yeah, that's crazy. I want to say a thing and I've been I've been here we go I've been thinking this he's getting ready to be cancelled

[01:01:04] No, I just think you're gonna think I'm a lunatic for saying this because I'm very aware this is a very Weird thing to say and I don't want to sound like I'm like, what are you gonna say?

[01:01:16] Oh, let him preamble. What's important is that I have been having this thought many times this week Okay, it's been percolating and I'm like should I verbalize this? I feel a little bit weird about the fact that I've never seen you cry

[01:01:31] Oh really? That's an interesting thing right But I don't it's kind of a weird thing to say but but because I feel like why would you have seen me crying though?

[01:01:38] Well, this is why I've been thinking about it a lot because you keep on talking about how much these Make me cry. I don't cry at movies as much as you do. Yeah, I cry. I'm a pretty easy guy right so like

[01:01:48] Fucking the family stone made me cry and I hate that that's that's the thing. So I very rarely cry at movies Sure So I feel like most people have not seen me cry because it has to be like a very specific breaking point

[01:02:00] Yeah, if I saw you cry, I think I'd be somewhat surprised. Right Hmm Where whereas I am surprised that I have not seen you cry because we don't see every movie together But we've seen enough movies together. I'm like it's weird. We have not experienced a film together

[01:02:13] Yeah, but we don't see that many I mean we see a lot of movies together We see a normal amount of movies together, right? Like we probably see like a movie a month or two Right, you know plus like the commentaries or whatever, but I'm saying across

[01:02:25] But we are five years. Yes. Yeah, but I guess we're not often watching the movies that would like Press my uh, no, but I'm just saying I but even like you cried at the trailer for max

[01:02:35] What fucking I'm surprised. We never we never saw the max trailer together That dog He doesn't like the hero and I don't like fireworks either. So I also just identify with he that he doesn't like fireworks

[01:02:47] I'm not too freaky peas on far out. I always get that line Even though it's like to you like the transcended emotional truth in americans Two freaky peas in a far out pod

[01:02:58] Uh, well, uh, I don't know watch the farewell of me because I fucking cry at that one But I'm not like someone who loudly sobs usually I'm more I'm like spirited away. Meet you that one

[01:03:06] I sob at yeah, but I don't know if I would do that if I was with a lot of people That's why though because we'd record our spirit away. I probably more of this sort of like

[01:03:14] You know the kind of like we record the spirit away episode like two days ago And I've just been thinking about you talking about how hard you were full body crying And I'm just like it actually feels kind of like we have bad luck

[01:03:26] If we have seen that many films together and nothing is really crying everything No, but but as you said that it's not always Connected to quality sometimes Something's trying to make the number of films we've seen together. I'm surprised that not one of them has had a

[01:03:42] Dog do something heroic He's pretty cool. Yeah. Well now i'm trying to think of other things that have made me cry though because Really right now what we're talking about is like Miyazaki the farewell. Yeah, like the souvenir a very powerful movie

[01:03:58] It doesn't make you cry, but that doesn't right You said shizam made you cry Shizam makes me kind of like choke up right? Yeah, I mean it's not like, you know, but like, you know

[01:04:06] It gets the gets the water running because i'll say that's like the furthest I usually get is choked up Yeah, right big fish makes me cry every time big fish makes me cry every time too like nice healthy crying Toy story 3 makes me cry every time

[01:04:18] But even Toy Story 4 No, not that one even Toy Story 4. I got very well. See here's the thing I I prefer Toy Story 4, but I only got choked up by the ending. Oh you see Toy Story 4 Griffin What are you?

[01:04:31] I should have just turned around because davie was crying. He was right behind you crying I was I was trying to peek looks, but at that point I was also pretty engrossed

[01:04:38] But what do you think makes me cry in Toy Story 4 because it's not what are you saying goodbye? Hmm Did you see Toy Story 4 and Ben? These toys don't say it like that

[01:04:52] No, I didn't but but you haven't seen it because we'll do them as commentaries on the patreon That's right 2020 and you'll watch it and I'll watch you cry and you'll say you guys were right. I love forky

[01:05:04] I've never seen three. You'll like forky. I mean forky's a bad motherfucker Forky's cool. Forky seems cool. Everyone. I used to say shit about forky not anymore. Yeah now you're engaged to forky Um

[01:05:17] Wait, I gotta think through okay, so it's something that happens at the it's the moment. It's a very tear jerky moment It's not like some weird moment. It's not like I cry when like

[01:05:25] Fucking the dad gets arrested. It's not what he gets saying goodbye. It's the big emotional moment of the movie Is it buzzing? What are you hugging? No Care about pets. I mean the dinosaur and the potato head Those two man No, no

[01:05:40] The big but I feel like you said it's not what are you saying goodbye? Now is it the moment of Of what give me the answer? Oh, okay. It's it's when it's the I'm really doing it is the sort of big sort of tearful moment

[01:05:52] It's when the girl is lost And looking for her mom gabby gabby. I was gonna guess that but then I thought that wouldn't be right No, that and that's that's just the thing where it's like both

[01:06:01] It's appealing to a sort of primal memory that most people have right that's sort of like Child traumatic thing of like being lost Uh and also just that child traumatic thing of like toys bringing you comfort like objects bring you comfort

[01:06:15] But also just like it's just well done, you know, do you know what's the closest I come to crying in that move? I mean, I was fully like I was like Yeah, you know doing that. See that's why I wasn't looking right uh

[01:06:26] The the moment that makes me come closest to crying in Toy Story 4 is the opening What's the opening remind me just keep going in the box underneath the car And would he consider in getting in the box with her and there's something about them being under the car

[01:06:43] Which reinforces how small And you talked about that on film in the scary world and and the rain really gets me Well, I was more just impressed. I was like, it's rain. It looks unbelievable

[01:06:56] But I also was just like this moment is so fully selling how terrifying and dangerous this world is for them And here he's being given this like one moment to do something purely for his own enjoyment in life

[01:07:08] Yeah, and he can't get out of his way enough to do it I get you that like broke me. Wow So nosica Nosica valley of the wind nosica of the valley of the wind two ofs Yes, two does Pretty baller as we talked about

[01:07:30] They be calvin, you know he uh He worked this is the movie that unites him with the south takahata Who's the other great cheaply director?

[01:07:37] This is producer on this brought on as an executive producer brought on kind of reluctantly being kind of I mean they had collaborated before but like You know brought on is like, uh, you know, you can help steer the ship um

[01:07:51] They were seen as talents rather than you know blockbuster guys, you know, I mean it's sort of like oh, they're talented I believe this is the first joe hisashi score That's sort of and it's much like his castle in the sky

[01:08:06] Castle in the sky score. Yeah, it's very it's more electronic. It's very cool. Yeah again very fitting for like the more of a pulsating action right and You know one of the big guys from neon jealous neon genesis of angelia right starts on this right?

[01:08:20] Yeah, Hidaki ano. Yeah He did the the the gods warrior like waking up and all that is that the the uh, Marinerosauce monster. Yes. Yes Yes, I like that guy He's like dripping with red sauce He's scary. He's like monster alavada

[01:08:39] So how to describe David he's like monster alavada love it. He's monster alavada Then he's like monster alavada. You know my favorite place griff my favorite sandwich place in the city anthony and sons in willingsburg They'll do a sandwich called the fdny

[01:08:54] Which is basically like chicken parm. Yeah sandwich, right except vodka sauce Instead of like marinara sauce. Well Same like you know breaded chicken mozzarella vodka sauce and the bread is garlic bread Okay, that sounds good pretty good

[01:09:10] Only problem after you eat it you do feel like you're dead You know you do have that sort of there is A place that uh near my apartment where I had a sandwich a couple months ago

[01:09:22] It's one of the best sandwiches I ever had. I don't remember the exact ingredient list But the thing that kind of blew my mind was it had a breaded chicken cutlet and Perjudo, I love that. I was like people. Oh, that's great. Don't put those two things together

[01:09:36] Then whatever the combination of like, you know The the sauce the cheese the toasted bread everything I was like this is one of the best things I've ever eaten Right and this place would close early like they would close at like one thirty

[01:09:48] And I'm a late boy. Yeah, like they're just lunch, right and like with a pretty hard cutoff Wow, uh, I'm a late boy I stay up late. I sleep late. We usually record this podcast around that time

[01:10:00] I don't necessarily want to have a whole sandwich before the podcast So I would like keep missing my chance and the other day. I was like I got him like up. I'm out

[01:10:09] I had like had an early audition. I'm running errands and I'm like it's still I can make the cutoff I can go back to this place and finally for the second time have this sandwich and the place is shut down Oh, what the fuck forever

[01:10:21] Yeah, and I'm like I once had this perfect sandwich that for me. I realized this is a sandwich I've been looking for my entire life Right, but it's just

[01:10:28] And I can't find record of it as we talked about on spirited away. It's the sublime you experienced it once and you always chase it It was my own personal little means You like you glimpsed, you know

[01:10:41] Something perfect and it's like all I remember is this like these things are the boldness of the chicken and the prosciutto But I can't remember what the other elements were okay because I was gonna say you can get chicken and prosciutto

[01:10:50] Like, you know, you'll find places will give you that. Yeah, but look, I'm gonna fuck it up. Somebody Exactly It'll turn out like your sandwich makers. It's like a men's rights activist or whatever

[01:11:00] Also, this place was like family run and like they're like eight-year-old daughter was ringing me up And I'm like I like this entire vibe And now they are gone Who knows what happened gotta find out it's weird. It's almost like new york city is sort of

[01:11:16] Wasteland everything pushing out those kinds of businesses and Well, go to fucking the anthony and sons because it's not it's that's thriving You know, and that's that kind of business too. I promise it's great. You'll love it

[01:11:29] I live by that place. It's on gram app, right? Yeah, it's on gram I used to live right by that fucking rule It's the best. Yeah, and there are all these fancier newer sandwich shops. No disrespect to them You know where they're like

[01:11:40] We've done a thing and it's like those are great. That's fine. We have vegan meats and cheeses Sure, anthony and sons is more just like hey, we'll make you sandwiches We've been doing these sandwiches for a long time. I think his name is leo the wolf

[01:11:51] You ever meet that guy that hangs out there the capra? No, his name is leo the wolf of waltz He hangs out there all the time He has a popular instagram account and he just basically talks trash like with a real heavy brooklyn accent

[01:12:04] I think I know who you're talking about He's just like he's like i'm gonna go off on like uh, and it'll be like, you know some new movie like or whatever like uh So that was the thing is he like the bagel boss guy?

[01:12:18] He just is a regular that hangs out there. It's just got a really strong opinion. You're the bagel boss I should be the bagel boss I've been like doing I've been doing that i've been like going more out of my way to find good sandwiches

[01:12:31] Hey, man, which I know is welcome to my life on that trip for a long time Welcome to david in his 20s. You know what I mean back before the internet I had like a little notebook

[01:12:40] Did you really and I would like walk around the city and like write down any place I found and you know A lot of them are gone now something but then there's always new things too

[01:12:47] Like you know it is dude the best sandwiches ever for me as I worked at il buco elementary even area Which would say um place rule yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's got a marketplace a restaurant

[01:12:58] You know cafe area incredible place, uh and they do their own in-house uh curing of salumi And they bake their own bread in house. So I used to work in that section

[01:13:09] I would make my own sandwiches like cutting the meats and just like building a great sloppy messy sand cutting the meats Can I say something? Can I say something we are so clearly

[01:13:20] We're so wound up by like trying to be uh impressive and smart for lulu and now we're just like I love sandwiches Well, this is connected to why haven't I seen you cry? This is connected to that. I think this is our best episode

[01:13:35] Yeah, this is the best. This is the number one. I know usually I do the bit where I say this is the worst episode ever I need to do the opposite bit. I'm gonna be incredibly confident

[01:13:44] I think this is the best episode we have ever done or will ever do great I think I think there's some there's a different vibe here. We're all talking about it

[01:13:51] What look what do we have against us the first time we had like a big guess we had like a publicist with them We knew we were under a time crunch

[01:13:57] Usually if a big person has come in the past like chris whites or whatever they're just like here and we're like You should run this by someone right? Why didn't you why did you come here? You maniac No, i'm on vacation

[01:14:11] Usually weirdly when these people come in they're like no, I cleared out the next eight hours Right, right, right, right. So this is the first time we've had that kind of thing And then it turned out we had less time with her than we thought we did sure

[01:14:22] And then we were like so like Fuck we got lulu here We need to be like serious good boys serious good boys. This needs to be a very smart podcast

[01:14:33] And now I feel like it's not even we're in that goofy mode that sometimes happens when we're wound up Yeah, like an extremely goofy right an extremely goofy mode right where we're kind of like punchy

[01:14:43] I feel like we're all in like a weird sort of like feeling kind of like live wiry, you know what I mean? We kind of got some energy. See I feel weirdly balanced right at this moment

[01:14:52] Right, you're like chill after like the hump of whatever stress. Are we gonna fuck this up? You know, there's that There's that yeah, and also we've been doing a lot of episodes. You guys saw king kong

[01:15:03] Maybe he brought you some serenity god. We did have a really good time watching that I'm glad you had a great. I literally saw Oklahoma the same night. We were both on Broadway just different parts

[01:15:13] I I cannot remember the last time I so thoroughly enjoyed watching something. I did not like Yeah, and I wasn't getting perverse enjoy me out of it was just the puppet is so fucking strong

[01:15:23] That I did not care that I did not care about the rest of it Right But I sort of I would say the only thing My only thing about the movie other than the music or in the the music yeah the musical

[01:15:35] Yeah, the and the dancing bad like all that stuff. Yeah the scripts bad Just sort and like I most performances are bad The cultural context of king kong might be bad I try to

[01:15:47] It's weird there's never gonna pull that up up a tears all these people. I kind of wish it was just a big guy Like they get a guy who's like seven feet tall and then cast a bunch of guys who are like five feet

[01:16:03] They get the baby from spirit at a watch I want to see a big hand Marionetteing that shit. Wait a second So you just are asking for here's how this would work. It would be ant-man logic Everyone who entered the theater would be shrunk

[01:16:17] The theater would be the size of like a matchbox and then you would but then there would be someone who is not in the theater Who's regular sized so that he would appear as giant to us David what you're describing to me would be selling out

[01:16:29] I think it would have to be Locating a 25 foot tall man. Yeah, because what I like is when Ben said a big guy I thought okay, how big you thought you thought like he was talking like seven feet

[01:16:42] Plus right like what the puppet? I guess the puppets like 20 feet five feet tall I'd say maybe right that seems like the right math Right and I imagine that ben was like someone who is the same size as the puppet

[01:16:53] We're close to the size of the puppet who's 20 feet tall standing behind it and operating it But what ben is saying is this guy has to be so big that merely one hand

[01:17:03] Fits into our view and that hand is just casually working the entire puppet like a marionette That this man is galactic size. Yeah, that that his kneecaps Would barely crest the top of time squares biggest and brightest skyscrapers

[01:17:25] It's just that's just some feedback. All right, I agree with you and I once again I want to resay that this is the best episode we've ever done. That's great. I totally agree. Okay Nossica fell at the wind

[01:17:40] Yeah, I mean we've been all over the place, but I don't know. What do we want to talk about with nossica right here? I think it's interesting to talk about the alternate version The alternate version. Oh, you mean like that. The Americanized version. Yes one thing that's worth

[01:17:53] It's called the context. Yeah, nanson international charlie manson's company I don't know who manson international was and showman ink produced a 95 minute english language dubbed animation called warriors of the wind Yeah, uh, it's so fucked up that there's not even a listed cast

[01:18:12] So no one even knows this poster. It looks like a heavy metal like yeah cover No one even knows like who is in it like who took part in this It's like a snuff film, you know, it's like no one actually admit to being involved

[01:18:25] But it exists the tagline is a band of young warriors on the wings of their greatest challenge And nossica is uh, like the smallest character on the poster right

[01:18:37] Yes, right in the center is the center is the marinara monster that uh, right that uh is in the movie for like five minutes Right, but being rode by the prince holding up a machine gun over his head Like in luke skywalker pose

[01:18:52] Yeah, uh the film basically turns into an action adventure movie where like the environmentalist themes are kind of gone The whole ome's the ome's the trilobite things are just enemies. There's no like Uh, the character's names are changed nossica is called princess zandra. Uh, which is hilarious. Um

[01:19:10] And uh, this was so stupid that uh, that's sort of I think the beginning of miyazaki being like I approve any American version you don't get to change anything right famously when when harvey winstein wanted to cut

[01:19:25] mononoke he was like i'm gonna make some cuts because it's like two hours and 17 I call them harvey scissor hands Uh, they sent I don't think it was miyazaki. It was his producer. Yes. It was uh, sheo susuki

[01:19:36] Uh sent a katana a bullet, you know a sword to harvey winstein with just the message no cuts Now let's spend 15 minutes talking about this because I cannot get over this To send someone katana is the sword that's like a Traditional samurai sword Here we go

[01:19:53] He mailed him a massive incredibly sharp and dangerous samurai sword with a note that just said no cuts Now removing the fact that in hindsight More people should have been sending harvey winstein Death threats on a regular basis. Sure, right

[01:20:10] We should have been they were ahead of the trend. We should have been sending him all sorts of dangerous things for decades Anthrax, what have you that also is just one of the most badass things I've ever heard pretty bad

[01:20:22] Because scorsese has that story about the night that he almost had a mental breakdown When columbia wanted to recut taxi driver and he was going to go into their offices with a loaded gun

[01:20:31] And hold them hostage because he was like i'm willing to die for this movie if this movie It doesn't come out. I had no reason to live anyway. Yeah. Yeah Uh, it's kind of crazy to just casually in the mail fedex someone And harvey's like, okay

[01:20:46] Cool. No cuts Um, so but this happened many years ago The the crazy english language version, but I also think this is one of his few movies that you could recut in that way

[01:21:00] Sure, you know you you could bastardize it and turn it into just like heroes versus villains Right and this is a movie. Yes. We're like his other films. It's harder to strip The Miyazaki out of like mononoke

[01:21:14] Also an action adventure movie. Yeah, there's no real villain the close thing it has to a villain is presented so subtly that like it's just really hard to like Cast her as a villain in this who in the english dub. I think it's always by umma thurman

[01:21:28] Um, like the armored villain. Yeah Is more straightforwardly bad, right? She's been corrupted by the world she lives in Right like it's sort of like a doggy dog world buggy bug But like she her goals are bad. Yeah, she wants to revive the world ending like weapon, right?

[01:21:46] You know, she's no good, but right but her uh her sidekick is is like Kind of a classic like sniveling weasley kind of like me that that guy A griffin name and type

[01:21:56] But uh, you know the the classic Miyazaki thing is that like everyone coming to realize that everyone or at least the protagonist coming to realize that Everyone is just trying to survive Right the basic curse of uh

[01:22:09] Existence sure is that people do horrible things in an effort to try to stay alive Because everyone's terrified of their own death and their own lack of power at all times

[01:22:19] Um, but this movie you can recut and redub it in a way where she then plays as a more classic like the fucking Villain. Yes, um, you can remove that because it's less Completely inextricably interwoven into every single moment

[01:22:35] But I mean like have you ever read dune the book dune? I Believe I tried reading the first one when I was Far too young because my much smarter nine-year-old friend was into dune and I was like cool

[01:22:47] I meant to reading a new thing. Oh, I'm nine. I cannot handle it. That's I think that book is a little too Yeah, I read probably a hundred pages of the first one when I was nine. Yeah Um, this does have kind of duny

[01:22:58] Overdose because it's sort of like this like yeah This like blasted world with these creatures that they can't understand and like nossaka is sort of like The feminine, you know the feminine dune her so like they can work the land

[01:23:09] They figured out ways to sort of like coexist, right? Yeah, and then you got the more industrialized nations The other tribes right that are kind of more like trying to run rough shot over everything

[01:23:20] Out of harmony, huh? Let's get some ng vibes. Yeah the mad max thing mortal. Oh, yeah Sure ng sir. I was I was I was rendering that as ng If I can describe to the listener the double take that ben just did at david not recognizing ng

[01:23:36] You guys are the bigger ng boys. I'm like a medium ng boy. Yeah, well you should fucking fix that You should come correct david, okay Well, they should recast the leads mortal engines. Oh, I said it I think they're not that good. I think she's really fucking good

[01:23:52] I think she's really fucking good and the movie has a bbp Yeah, a boring boy problem. I agree with that, but I think that's a very good performance from the actress's name I don't remember great great

[01:24:03] Uh, I like the engines. But also, uh, we stan a reanimated legend His name is strike the bionic man That was called strike it would have won best picture 10 years in a row from me I would have just been like that's it Don't even compete

[01:24:18] It's it's really actually fucked up that I didn't even give him best supporting strike That is great at the oscar. I know it came out so late, you know, meryl

[01:24:26] You know, she just swoops in there. She got best supporting strike. She does it a lot for mary pompons Uh, yeah, we're playing topsy wopsy I forgot she was in there. Can I can I say like one of my classic?

[01:24:41] Okay, just say it mean stupid things I shouldn't say because it will probably harm my career at some point Man, rob marshal must be really pleasant to work with I think he actually is I've heard good

[01:24:51] Because everyone fucking loves doing these movies with him multiple times. I think he's really passionate and committed and I I think he is a genuinely outstanding choreographer and I don't understand how he like bucks his choreography

[01:25:03] Sabotages his own work. It's so crazy to me watching mary posa's where I'm like he's a great choreography He choreographed that great lamp lighting dance number stop fucking cutting cut cut cut cut cut

[01:25:14] Cut me like in let's go inside. I'm like, can we go out? Can I see it? I want to see it I'm also like, why would you even get that piece of coverage? Why do you have this shot to cut to? I don't

[01:25:27] He must be a fucking man. I think he's really nice. I really have heard. I've heard he's the best It's just incredible that maryl's like, yeah, literally anything you want to do I'll just drop all yeah Oh Nossica so She's really cute

[01:25:46] She's really winning. Okay. Hey, hey, hey What nossica she's I'm not just saying she's cute. I keep in your pants Keeping into my pants. She's an engaged man though. The worky

[01:25:58] The worky it's I've seen the self-evident thing. She does all this cool stuff at the start of the movie Then you know lord upa comes back and gives her basically a pokemon, you know like a proto pokemon I think rules right who comes back in

[01:26:13] Castle in the sky, right? Aren't they in not this specific one like that that creature This creature is right. Yes, and then Then they get a first there's the crash and the princess who dies, right?

[01:26:25] And then very swiftly there's the tomelkians who the crash the crash has the The husk of the bug. Yeah. Yeah, the no the bad boy the marinara monster. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes

[01:26:37] And the tomelkians come because they're trying to seize that thing, you know and that was the end They want that monster that whole sequence is kind of devastating like her dad just dies Yeah, and it's kind of not even spoken and she's so crushed

[01:26:50] And yupa has to like intervene and be like no fighting No fighting Nausicaa you're gonna have to deal with these people rather than like she they killed your dad. You should just go hog wild You know what I mean?

[01:27:01] It's kind of like she has to deal with these fucking armored grunt, you know assholes Is that is that when she retreats to her secret garden? Yeah I like that she's got a little underground secret garden and yupa's like what is this? This is crazy

[01:27:16] Well because those plants should be toxic. Toxic spars Um, and yeah, you know right there's that it's that I mean We talked about firm which episode did we talk about firm calling on was it spirited away? Probably every episode You know like there's that there's mononoke

[01:27:33] Exis ecco adventure, you know, but like you know those movies where it's like at the end It's like there is a way to grow plants, you know like walley fucking has that right, you know

[01:27:41] Yeah, the promise of like uh, no we can do that's that's central to dune They're everyone's like you can't grow anything on dune and these one people are like yes, you can And we're just not doing it right like we got to figure it out

[01:27:52] This ends with the very walley image which is like the last frame in the end credits is the non-toxic tree Right, yeah sprout the one little little sprouty sprout little sprouty

[01:28:02] Little sprouty bow and then uh, I don't know we don't really have to go through the plot here But like Nausicaa goes on that insane journey. Uh-huh Uh with Edward James Olmas and the dub. I just really enjoyed his performance. He's got the greatest voice

[01:28:18] Yeah, um, I there's so much of him Because he's kind of her constant companion. Yeah another bushy haired man, right? He's got the sort of mustache Yeah cover his mouth the pilot guy. Yeah

[01:28:29] Uh, should I read from my book? I I found this interview that he gave the day it came out The fog is emanating from a book It's like it's dry ice, but they were just taking out the leather bound fall

[01:28:38] You know the metal clasp on it and a growing seal that's You know, but I've this is from the center of order I saw I said, you know, we didn't do it for a couple of the later ones

[01:28:45] But you know, we've done we have consulted this tone. Look David, I don't like to hit a bit too hard Okay, I let it rest for a while

[01:28:51] Uh, so what are some like I'm reading it's this crazy interview because you're thinking about like this is a young man Like I mean young ish right like this is him in his first and he's still talking so candidly Uh-huh

[01:29:01] They're like, how you doing like according to toa the distributor Yeah, this movie is really great like the satisfaction is and he said everything's terrible. I want some work No, he's like, I don't know how I feel about the last scene

[01:29:12] I feel like it's not over and he's like, what do you mean? He's like She dies and then she's held up and she's bathed in the golden color by the morning light And it feels like a religious painting spoilers and I said

[01:29:25] And me and the producer said to each other we've got a problem Which is so crazy to me that he sees the film. He's just like this is too religious This is too like she I didn't he says I didn't intend her to make her Joan of Arc

[01:29:37] And I want to get rid of any religious undertone Uh, and then when we're producing and I'm like this is undeniably like we can't like it's just going to have that undertone No matter what we do

[01:29:48] I just didn't want her to be a religion. I you know, I wanted her to be A strange girl who regards the lives of insects and humans in the same way which to him is like that's weird

[01:29:59] Yeah, you know like it's not that crazy that most of the people in this world are like we're the humans Right. We got a fucking nuke the insects. They're problems. We don't have fucking bug faces

[01:30:09] Right exactly. It's starship troopers right? It's like they're different and we can't communicate with them like yeah And that's sort of her power is that she can sort of like view these insects as like

[01:30:22] Comparable creatures and it's like they we end it and turns out you kind of need the insects Can I talk about a thing that I forgot to mention and you're gonna be angry that I'm bringing this up

[01:30:32] But it's a big it's like four times. I know it's a big thought I have people gonna think I'm like it's rage monster David don't bring that back Go on go on I was really upset that have brought this up in the episode because I

[01:30:45] Have not seen anyone else comment on this. Okay in the line king A thing I found very unnerving Is that when tamon and pumba eat the bugs? Yeah in this movie it feels cruel Right because all the animals are so photorealistic

[01:31:05] Sure that as opposed to a very stylized cartoonish thing where it's like well Tom and pumba are like anthropomorphized and the bugs have no faces right the bugs are just bugs In this the bugs behaviorally act like they're scared And they don't seem like any less alive

[01:31:21] I didn't dwell on it, but I know what you mean It bummed me out and like other than the fact that they're not speaking It feels like there's no distinction and if they made this whole thing about like you're here in like the planes with us

[01:31:30] Now you can't eat like antelopes Right, let's eat these bugs and there's a moment where they animate the bugs like trying to run away from tamon and pumba Right, and I was like this movie doesn't understand Right that this is fucked up now

[01:31:44] Whereas nasa ka is like the one person who's like no, they're like alive See how I transitioned right back into the thing we're supposed to be talking about now I'm gonna read this other quote from the book. She values life. She recognizes life

[01:31:55] I'm gonna read this other quote from the book that is has been passed around before is somewhat notorious And he's a little insane, but I do feel like we cannot not acknowledge it. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about

[01:32:08] interviewer nasa ka is very attractive. Oh boy miyazaki her breasts are rather large. Oh come on interviewer. Yes Miyazaki that's not so she'll be able to breastfeed babies in the future or make love to a man who will steal her heart away

[01:32:23] It's not it's it's weird. It's not like outrageously sexist. It's just odd I know I just i'm not liking this go on I think her bosom needs to be large so she can embrace all those old men and the women and who are in the castle

[01:32:35] When they're dying They have to she has to allow people to feel secure. She embraces them as they're dying The interviewer is like, okay. He seems baffled by this Yeah, he also is the one who fucking brought it up

[01:32:46] He did bring it up say I want to jam your main character No, he's like she's really pretty and miyazaki's like well The interesting thing about her is that her boobs are drawn bigger because I want her to embrace people In a sort of comfort the old man

[01:32:58] Look, it's not creepy in a way that I think is malicious, but it makes me uncomfortable It's also we're talking about a 35 year old interview. Yes

[01:33:07] Yeah, I mean like it's I understand but also could you imagine if like while promoting like frozen they said to jennifer lee like So like these boobies. Yeah. Yeah. What are we thinking?

[01:33:18] No, but even like saying like oh just like else is hot right there like so I gotta crush moana. She's pretty attractive. No Yeah, right. Yeah, you know, I do know like I think about like how fucking creepy everyone agreed

[01:33:30] It was when anthine lane wouldn't stop talking about his boners for missus incredible Yeah, elastigirl. I always get dragged for fucking saying that thing It's a bit I know I know I think it's funny to say that and then people assume I'm stupid

[01:33:42] Which I am but that's a separate independent truth from this conscious bit. I'm doing I'm saying everyone was creeped out by that and rightfully so remember when lulawang was on this episode

[01:33:54] That was wild. Wow, shit. What if this episode is the thing that costs her the academy award that they present this as her Or Immediately do the same thing front runner for best screenplay and then they're like, did you hear

[01:34:08] She blank check those two idiots were talking about freaking Frozen yeah hot. Yeah, they made her talk about britney spears. Oh, that was great. That was good. And that was really good

[01:34:20] Yeah, that's when we won the Pulitzer then it gets taken away when they hear the rest of the episode Okay, they're like noi There's a reason this is on a ribbon. Yeah Can grab it right

[01:34:30] Nassica the all right is gonna claim that she was here in the studio the whole time You don't like me just saying that right um, she was condoning everything we were saying and giving thumbs up so

[01:34:41] I really like that moment when they crash in the jungle and there's an ome and she uses the bullrore thing they're like Yeah, very cool. We're like chill it out. Sort of yeah. Yeah. Yeah Um, then she meets asbel who comes in late. He's late

[01:34:55] Uh voiced by shy in the dub kind of a cute performance by shy. Good job shy when he's in his like I'm like we talked about this, but you know what this specific period is that I find interesting it's the um, like i'm sort of uh

[01:35:10] Apprenticing major movie stars right when he's in constantine and i robot. Yeah, right Yeah, 100% he's like let me stand next to a guy who gets like 20 million dollars of movies top of the call She is a guy recognizing your saints where he's young downy, right? Yeah Um

[01:35:25] So, um, he's good though in the dub but this sub is obviously in my opinion always gonna be a little better. Yeah Um, and that's when she realizes they crash into the non-toxic like the the this below level, you know, they're like, oh like

[01:35:40] There's another way to do it like there are spore free Yeah, uh growths and jungles garden was like, uh, yeah I mean her garden's other ground as well even with the spores it's still, you know

[01:35:52] More fertile down there and then there's just this sort of bananas like 35 minutes of action Like it's like a huge chunk of the movie is this yeah large extended like First is there in the planes and they're being attacked and like I checked the time code

[01:36:07] And I was like this one must be almost over right and then I was like He's gonna do a 35 minute extended actions Then there's like the home stampede and that shot of the baby, you know like with all the like missiles wedged in it

[01:36:19] And then like she rescues the baby, but the home stampede's continuing And she's got to heal the baby and bring it to them and like yeah it takes and that like It's good, but it is a lot like I don't know what a kid gets from this movie

[01:36:32] I think it's more of a movie for teens like I think teens are more Ready to like take on this world. Yeah, uh, I really do like it though I was talking with Stefansky last night. That's what you guessed um

[01:36:43] And she was like it's my favorite and I'm like Obviously it's like they're buggy. It's the buggy is Miyazaki, but she was talking about seeing it as a teenager And I'm like, you know like that's probably when you can like yeah wrangle a big sci-fi world like this

[01:36:54] I do feel like I'll say uh This is this is one of the last ones we're recording. Yeah, we only have Two more I'm speaking to you from a future in which I have now seen most of the Miyazaki move

[01:37:08] Although narratively at this point I have not right And for most of this podcast you will be discovering him film by film and you'll hear those discoveries and I'm It goes to grif miss future, but um, I

[01:37:22] Keep thinking as I'm watching these I can't wait to revisit these movies Ah, hell. Yeah, you know like I'm like I can't wait to every couple years Be like I'm gonna go through them all again and you've got them

[01:37:31] Yeah, like I have it now and the like next time I'll just like I'll do like a run where I watch the dubs of all them Yeah, I mean it's been a new thing for us to do. I mean it's been it's unusual for us to do director

[01:37:41] Where basically all the movies are regarded as good. Yeah, we've done it before I guess but like it's unusual Yeah, it's just hard to have a nice hammer on And then also it's not a movie where there's like an obvious blank check

[01:37:54] Right the blank check is the sustained like strength of his career that he got G Blee off the ground I'd argue in any made incredibly ambitious movies, of course, but it's not like there's one insane reach I would argue that in The case of his career

[01:38:10] Most filmmakers would like any one of the films they would kill for any of those movies, right? Would be a blank check and most people only do one thing that crazy their entire one or two

[01:38:20] And he gets to do like seven right and it gets to is obviously I mean obviously He's no doubt an incredibly committed and in almost insanely passionate Yes, right right a monk like commitment to right monastic obsessive. Yeah

[01:38:36] Yeah, it is funny that this and this episode kind of has the energy of like us near the finish line because it is And uh for you lucky guys are gonna get a pretty I would say a pretty good series

[01:38:47] The JD totoro episode is uh completely off the rails fucking stupid absolutely Yeah That might be the worst episode I don't know what it was necessary it came out okay It came okay, but it was necessary as like also a follow-up to his masterpiece the um

[01:39:07] Billy Lynn episode to do like your kind of oasis is be here now You know where they're like let's just throw everything in the cauldron. Let's see it. You know what I mean And also kind of why it's his blank check

[01:39:17] Well, no, but I would argue it was him being like i'm not ready to catch my check-in this i'm gonna do a jazz set Oh, yeah, maybe it's that right? This is like he's doing the weird not a throwaway project

[01:39:25] But it's like i'm gonna do an experimental thing. This doesn't really count right? I'm holding onto my check for a little longer. That's cool right because he's gonna cash this check Yeah, get ready and and you know potentially talking to walk 20 That's

[01:39:39] Trying to figure out yeah, I heard a rumor that you're not gonna like but we'll talk about it. Oh boy It's not that bad. It's just like you'll be kind of like oh You will see I had a really exciting idea for talking to walk. We'll see

[01:39:54] We'll do it look we're gonna do something and it's gonna be right a colossal seismic cultural event And I promise you there'll be new shirts We gotta make that promise The only fucking box office I can it's listed is this year's

[01:40:15] Re-release of it really so it's literally like fucking may of it's like two months ago I know I was supposed to go with our friend Ramona had and I had diarrhea I'm sorry retired bit Uh Ramona. I bought the tickets though

[01:40:32] So you're saying like what could have been my money's on that board. Yeah, my money's up there So here we go buddy on the saw there It's may 17th and you know what we are gonna talk about this because you have a hot take anyway

[01:40:43] Okay, we should mention on the podcast may 17th 2019. What was the number one movie? It's a new movie So Avengers Endgame has been it's number two after four weeks. It has been uh, you know reduced to a number two Is it detect Pikachu?

[01:40:58] Is it detect Pikachu? No, that's number three. Oh, so we come out the week earlier didn't hit number one. That's correct Look how uh, vague my memory of the recent past already is there you go. Is this the one I have the hot take about? Yes

[01:41:10] I wouldn't say it's a scorching take but it's a fairly hot take That's not a lot of them. No, is it John Wick 3? John Wick chapter 3 parabellum right one of my favorite movies of the year one of your favorite movies of the year and you

[01:41:21] Contend the best wick. Yes. Now. I I saw John Wick 3. Uh-huh. I had a great time Yeah, I thought it was pretty terrific. Uh-huh. I can't wait for more. I did have that feeling watching it

[01:41:31] Where I had somehow gone in being like well, this is probably it right? And then I remember like 45 minutes in I'm like, oh, this definitely is not gonna be it This feels like a transity movie, you know, like we're getting to another chapter

[01:41:43] I will say that the biggest complaint I've heard about the movie is people saying it fails But I have read this complaint Not from critics as much as like people on twitter and shit Especially after I said this thing about it being the best one and then

[01:41:55] inexplicably for no clear reason Fandango retweeted it. Hey, sure because I guess they like tweeting things when people are like I like this movie people should see this movie right and then I just had a thousand people being like actually you're wrong Your opinion is wrong

[01:42:10] Yeah, and I you know clearly this This was an i.m. A show that's kind of how I read most comments

[01:42:19] No to me it was just like I had to adjust my expectations sort of middle way midway through the I just saw that thing where they were like I don't like the movie because it fails to include the trilogy

[01:42:28] And I would say in response to these people on twitter because it's not a trilogy You know never promised you a trilogy and they would say well, I felt like it should have been a trilogy

[01:42:36] Well, I feel like I should have a million dollars now. Here's my thing I feel like in a world in which this world wasn't inexplicably Not inexplicably justifiably one of the most successful films of the year

[01:42:49] But one of the only films to not underperform at the box office along with the farewell It's like the highest grossing non disney film of the year Well, no because of spider-man But We're talking about spider-man is squiggy, but you know disney didn't release it

[01:43:04] I'm aware and then john wick is after that right? I believe so No us is after that then john wick. Okay john wick might end up passing us 169 versus 171 75

[01:43:20] For us for us. I think I don't think it could make six another movie. I love. Um, here's my thing with john wick. Okay I because I saw a third one loved it

[01:43:30] Then I rewatched one and two and saw three a second time. So I revisited the whole trilogy Yeah, you this was not a fired off the hip. Yeah, and that's when I made my tweet

[01:43:40] Um, I had always had this thing where I was like, why am I so okay with the gun violence in this movie? Yeah, you know aside from just being like, oh, it's cartoonish. It's like ridiculous. It's like ballet

[01:43:51] It's whatever I'd be like I do have this thing with other movies Like even when we talked about when we did our Thor commentary When like Scourge at the end of that like has the machine got some people to find that very uncomfortable stuff

[01:44:03] I just get really uncomfortable right and I was like, why does this not bug me at all? And I saw the third one and a I think it's maybe the best work of Kiana's entire career

[01:44:13] He is phenomenal. I think it is crazy how natural he is in it I mean, I think you can be a very natural form But you're almost like it's the most heightened ridiculous movie and he's so not heightened

[01:44:23] And especially versus the other two. This is so much a survival movie. Yeah, where he just is in perpetual motion Yeah, and you're watching these scenes that are choreographed so well with minimal cuts It's so good. Hey look, it's another thing I want to do on the patreon

[01:44:37] And that's a quick three to do. I'm so excited to not have to deal with a fucking 22 movie long franchise, but The the thing not to spoil it for people But there's the scene in the movie in which he has to explain Why he wants to stay alive?

[01:44:53] And it's like the question you're starting to ask you like why are you putting yourself through this right? Yeah Why not just die? You know, this is so difficult for him to keep up and it's never going to get easy for him as long as these movies do

[01:45:04] Well, it's only going to get more difficult for him And he makes this case in a scene that I think kianu just kills that I think gets to the root of these movies Which is just like life is a fucking nightmare. The world is

[01:45:18] I love this thing you're talking about, right? And the thing that they get into as they build out this universe is just like everyone's fucking in on it You go to a hot dog stand you go to a library

[01:45:27] You go to cab people barely turn their heads to look at the insane violence you're committing Everyone can be bought with some marker or a ticket or a coat. It's the price of commerce It's the price of capitalism

[01:45:38] It's the price of living in a human society where we all have to like turn blind eyes to things and make concessions in order To just try to survive and he comes up with this explanation of why he wants to remain alive

[01:45:50] That just kind of devastated me and part of it has to do with the state I'm in in my life And seeing this movie and rewatching the three after the tick I cancel i'm questioning fucking everything right about like

[01:46:01] Except for blank check except for blank check. But but my thing of like what what am I trying to do, right? Don't leave me hanging Ben Ben. David's holding up the hand for his high five

[01:46:10] Yes, go on. Sorry. I'm sorry. But then I feel like I got my dream job And i'm frustrated with how it ended and I don't know what I'm like aspiring to in my life anymore

[01:46:19] Not to sound dire. You know what I'm saying. I'm sorry. I don't need to do that as a joke I know what you're talking about. Absolutely Thankfully I now fucking I'm not worried about running out of money because Certainly I have a no acting career

[01:46:37] To speak of at the moment Very nice that I have a monthly income for the first time in my life. That is stable. Um, but It just hit me so hard where I was like this is a movie about that like that kind of

[01:46:51] Unsuppressable survival instinct in humanity Despite everything around you telling you to give up how crushing life is And dealing with the misery of it and I think and this is where it all crystallized for me that like

[01:47:06] There's that colbert interview that went really viral the one where colbert asks him the sort of uh What happens to us when we die keanu reeves and I think what colbert thought he was doing is oh keanu's become this like zen

[01:47:18] Yeah, he'll say something like you know sort of whoa quietly profound and then he said something Do you know what his answer was? Devastatingly profound. He said he said keanu What happens to us when we die and keanu takes a second not long and then he goes

[01:47:35] I know That the ones who love us will miss us dearly It's so fucking amazing and you hear the audience gasp right right and colbert is taken Obviously like oh, yeah, that's a wonderful thing to say goes like john wick chapter three theaters

[01:47:52] Like it's the end of the segment because you know that and also anyone who knows colbert knows that he's a pretty spiritual And kind of philosophical guy who thinks about these things in a non

[01:48:03] In a sincere way right, but he's trying I think set up a more like you know talk showy Jokey moment, but and then keanu hit him with the left

[01:48:12] Like not even like in a mean way here's my big thing and I don't want to get too dark about it But keanu at the peak right post matrix sequels when he's made more money than any actors ever made on a movie

[01:48:24] This crazy deal. He's like brought himself back from irreverence for the third time His third of like four career comebacks right where he proved everyone wrong he uh has his Fiance has a stillborn baby and dies in a car accident six months later

[01:48:44] And he experiences this type of loss that none of us can fucking comprehend Right, that's like horrible thing in this position in the world where he's like you've made it You're keanu reeves you have a billion dollars. You're a massive movie star

[01:48:57] And he just like seems to be a guy who has his priorities in track And is like that doesn't really matter. I like my motorcycles, but i'm never gonna fucking get over this

[01:49:05] It's not a thing he really talks about and then shortly after that his career bombs again And he very quickly goes back to being a joke right right everyone had fucking written him so Thoroughly off right and then you go like 47 ronin final nail in the coffin

[01:49:19] Like get the fuck out of here and it feels like okay I guess he's gonna like show up in the neon demon and like the bad batch and do like Small roles and indie films and make an interesting character career be this sort of like cult objects

[01:49:31] Which like he's doing great work in those movies. I was enjoying this performance But then inexplicably john wick becomes this phenomenon that we don't have anymore that we don't see anymore Where something has actually just sort of like

[01:49:43] Like completely brought into existence by fan demand right and not by a pre-ordained Like we are shoving this down your throat right and the way in which the films have like multiplied and grown

[01:49:54] And like gained respect in all of that right that they're about a man who has lost everything and has nothing left to prove anymore Yeah, like Just you know so when you get to this point where like hyano

[01:50:07] Like john wick is like i am this man who has been doing this for decades has honed this to a craft And the best at knowing how to be me and do this weird thing i do And i've lost everything and you can't fucking hurt me anymore

[01:50:21] So all I want to do is just stay alive and when he explains it in this movie why he does it I just broke and I was like this is a fucking masterpiece. This franchise is the best

[01:50:29] I love all of this so that was just the best performance like connected moment Yeah, and I think the action's great. I think heli berry is awesome in it I love the world building stuff. I think the mythology shit in two gets a little sloppier and in three

[01:50:42] I like what they I like all of it. I like all of it. It's a great franchise I gotta rewatch them all though. I you know once wicks, uh digitally available, which it may already be You know I got the steelbook priority

[01:50:55] Okay, so that's number one at the box office David Number two zhuzhengan number three is pokemon detective peeking two number four is a movie about a dog Going on a journey. Oh um, let me guess Is it a dog's way home? the dogs journey yeah, I

[01:51:13] We have that's the quade That's the quade quade. That's the one that's the proper sequel to A dog's message or comforter loves Those are dogs purpose right dog's purpose. That's right. There's a dog's were books dog's purpose was a book

[01:51:28] What and from the perspective of the dog? What is it? What is it like? He's getting reincarnated as different dogs That's insane. It's this what is the what is the like text like Uh garbage eat it yum yum yum

[01:51:40] Well, wait a second. Barry bone. You should write that. Yeah, don't put this on the podcast You could sell this copyrighted all trademark ben hausey 2019 Are you kid dogs purpose did so well that they made a direct sequel? Yeah, okay, okay

[01:51:53] They adapted one of the authors other books and there's that fucking art of racing in the rain Any movie in which a dog has an interior monologue But if ben released a book called dogs ben hot by ben hauseley and it was just like eat garbage

[01:52:05] Walk over there lick lick lick What's this a bone? 100 million copies pre-ordered. What do you think also immediately Pre-publication get the rights option by disney plus exactly Disney plus plus yeah, didn't have a new channel just for it. There's a bend here

[01:52:23] Number five is one of those movies that just like Already doesn't exist exactly like didn't exist the second it was released Like as people watched it the minute before in the movie was already gone

[01:52:35] I don't want you to give me anything else because I think I might know what it is the hustle Dude the hustle I mean, I don't know. I didn't see it America didn't do the hustle. No, it was one of those movies that was like shot, you know

[01:52:52] During like the Carter administration even though somehow in half the ways they did right? Yeah, yes And it was like it was one of those things were like we've remade dirty rotten scoundrels with women

[01:53:02] But we're not really going to talk about that in their advertising. We'll just sort of hint at it Right. No one thought that it was a proper remake. It's like no Even though the tagline is they're giving dirty rotten men a run for their money

[01:53:14] But it's like okay, and then it's like so what's the what's the premise and half the way and rebel wilson They hustle they got to get over on all these guys. They got to get over it's gotta be the best we heard though

[01:53:24] Right, uh, do you know what I mean originally the film was going to be titled dirty rotten scoundrels And then they were like we're changing the name before they changed it to hustle

[01:53:31] They landed on what was the correct title which I can't believe they moved past right which was lady crimes No, do you want to know what it was? Was it was because it's actually a good title for this movie. Yes ladies do crimes now nasty women Oh

[01:53:46] What they should have fucking called that move okay, but that's almost a good title give it to a good movie. Yeah I don't I assume it's bad. I'm gonna remake the house and everyone will watch it and be like masterpiece

[01:53:56] I'm gonna remake the hustle and call it nasty women. Well, they're doing is it hustlers Yes, that's enough. That's a that's another that looks like jayla. That's gonna be a Toronto like that looks pretty fun. Yeah um lorraine scuffari the director of uh

[01:54:13] Richard Lawson's number one film the medlar have you seen that movie the medlar? Yeah Yeah, the medlar's great. The problem with the medlar is that uh, it's like um, it's close to home like genuine

[01:54:25] With your mom. Yeah. Yeah, like I watch it like not exactly but I was like wow Like this is kind of and I was expecting something winsome and I was like, hmm. This is kind of brutal

[01:54:34] Oh, yeah, which is what is good about it. Right. It's not a winsome movie. Yeah, have you done the trolls experience yet? No, uh, I'm waiting for Richard to get me VIP passes. It's pretty good. I don't know if you guys know this but I uh

[01:54:47] Now the creator of trolls It's been a guest on my podcast a couple times boy Who owns trolls like what toy company? Uh, fuck. I mean well Hasbro does all the stuff for the dreamworks movie. All right, so hasbro is gonna sue us

[01:55:03] That was just a joke. Okay. I just wanted to make that job But now I'm wondering if hasbro also has the rights to the original troll liner if they just have You know what I'm saying if they produce because I want to say it wasn't gunned

[01:55:14] I think this is the Ben's just looking at my dog covers Maybe it was gunned. I think this is the best that's just the time to end our One of our best episodes ever been the one gotta look up troll dolls Maybe gunned great

[01:55:28] Um, go see the farewell. It's in theaters now. Um, it's been expanding over the last month And uh, should be pretty wide at this point. I think it's going to about 400 Theaters this week and this episode it's gonna come out a couple weeks later. Uh,

[01:55:42] Really is a tremendous movie. Lulu is the best I don't know what else to say. I agree. I was very ready for, um, Castle in the sky next week with Emily Yoshida mother EO mother Blankees who we have to say Is going Hollywood. Yeah, I know she's going

[01:55:57] She's literally going Hollywood. So I mean we didn't know it at the time But that's I mean kind of a back she will be back But it used to be so easy

[01:56:07] I know and she's one of my great friends and it's it's sad to to have her move No joke there just that but you know, I was very excited for her

[01:56:17] She's got all this exciting stuff coming and she's doing great. We have our early friends on the show But it's a different thing, you know when you're trying to you have to like oh, they're coming. Okay. Let's uh, you know

[01:56:26] Find time right to be able to just decide to add a verhoven bonus Slip it over to EO record it the next day, you know Anyway, yeah You know melancholy like the farewell melancholya

[01:56:42] Uh, thank you all for listening. Yeah, please go see the farewell. Yeah. No, I just said that but I like I want to restate it Yeah, seriously and purely from a level of it's a really fucking great movie and I can't believe she did her podcast

[01:56:52] Exactly. We are not friends with her No, I mean we follow each other on twitter That's the only connection we had and you were like wait, maybe we can book people on our show

[01:57:00] I was like, I don't know doing promo things. She wants to promote her film like she's going on things Yeah, yeah I just it's crazy. It's crazy. She was on the show. I agree. Um So next week, uh, of course, uh, Emily Yoshida mother blankies

[01:57:14] Uh cast on the sky. I'm repeating myself. Thanks you lulu not into my my pitches So much. Yeah, that's the other reason we were uh short on time is that ben spent an hour pouring eggs at her He was I said picture this in the dark

[01:57:29] He's turning the lights on and on get a powerpoint. He made her watch that was his slate he announced phase one Oh boy, thank you all for listening. Yes, please remember rate review subscribe Thanks to intro guru for social media lame on coming for a theme song

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