Porco Rosso with Justin Charity

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:31] Can I just want to get out of the way with something I'm kind of embarrassed by? I think this is my favorite one we've watched so far I was almost certain it would be Yeah, and this is why I'm kind of embarrassed

[00:00:45] I feel like I'm falling harder for the kind of basic shit What do you mean the basic shit? And basic is relative within a Miyazaki ove, right? None of it's basic No, but I don't understand what you mean And we haven't gotten a spirit away yet

[00:01:00] Which you have seen, right? But you don't remember When I was 15 and didn't connect with it You were like I don't get what's going on, forget it Right And I felt kind of somewhere on the Totoro rewatch which I'm a little embarrassed by

[00:01:12] Don't be embarrassed, Totoro to me would be the basic one That's like the most famous one of all I know but that's what I'm saying I'm not getting into the ones that are like Ewww, I see Right, you're not getting into the super Miyazaki The like totemic Miyazaki

[00:01:29] I feel like the ones I'm getting into are the ones that are a little more western Like your favorites are Kaegyo-stro and this which are like Kinda set in Europe Kind of about like anti-heroes Right And Porcaroso is like so consciously like kind of an homage to like

[00:01:48] 40s Hollywood Yeah, sure That's what I'm, my embarrassment is that the stuff where they're like This is so much like this You never would find this in American animation Look at Miyazaki and how spiritual he is And how connected to nature he is Right, right, the nature

[00:02:06] And how willing he is to go into non-narrative places And I feel like those ones I'm appreciating and not connecting with Or even those elements in the movie I'm like appreciating You don't love nature You're not really a nature guy I don't

[00:02:19] I think of you as someone who's like guys Let's go to the Hudson Valley and hike You know like guys let's stay by a lake for a week I'm not a fan of nature Right It has been a prominent almost ever romantic relationship I've ever had

[00:02:31] Sure because classic, you know, let's upgrade the relationship is All nature Griffin Let's go be in some nature together Yeah, or it's deserts Planes Planes? Yeah there's all different kinds of environments I'll go on vacation as long as it's planes I want to be in some plane

[00:02:48] You're saying the High planes drifter Yeah you're saying, okay the wild planes not airplanes Yeah he means like planes like Yeah I mean look I don't want to out myself as some like nature, nature, hate and asshole But when you listed those things my body physically tensed up

[00:03:05] All three of those things When you said like forest desert planes He started swatting at bugs I did I felt He started putting zinc on his nose I felt my shoulders rise a little higher with each of those things Yeah Look I can appreciate it

[00:03:20] But like anytime in nature and it's beautiful I'm like this is beautiful So how long before we get into it I just feel I don't know I mean let's call out some other things right Let's just like address all the elephants in the room Okay

[00:03:36] I didn't realize there were so many elephants in the room I'm not designed for this world Okay I'm saying my body is terrible Okay It feels like I'm someone who in like a society that is still actually based around survival of the fittest Right

[00:03:50] Would survive the shortest period of time Yeah And so I think nature scares me Because I'm not supposed to survive in natural environments I only have been able to stay alive in this horrific artificial Manhattan Manmade That's the thing about you Yes

[00:04:07] You haven't even strayed to the outer boroughs You're like I'm sick of it with Manhattan Like the most urbanized of the city's boroughs I have strayed but it's my home base You've lived there You've lived in Manhattan Right You've never lived outside I've never lived outside of Manhattan

[00:04:20] I mean obviously you've gone to other boroughs I don't want to make it sound like I'm I've gone to big nice many times Retired bit And I travel You're gonna call yourself You go Yeah I travel But I do You should go to cities I would say

[00:04:35] I do and when I go outside of cities I get a little stressed out I didn't realize we were going to get into this because it was It's not something I've been thinking about but yeah That's right I've been thinking about it You can talk Justin, she's

[00:04:45] Yeah please Nature is awful Thank you And Pocoroso is the best music Okay This is great I don't think it's that Western It's pretty Japanese I think even with how European it is But it is one of his

[00:04:57] It's one of his movies that's like explicitly not set in Japan Like this is set near It also opens like a Bond movie It opens like a Bond movie I'm just saying I feel like I get the ones that are half and half You know what I'm saying?

[00:05:11] Like Haglio Strow is like Europe Caper Via like Eastern, like Miyazaki storytelling Sure but also via one of the sort of most classic anime franchises Right Right I get what you're saying But I think half and half is probably the right way to think about it

[00:05:29] And I'm a little worried going into spirit of the way Because everyone thinks that's like the best fucking movie ever made I'll say I watched that movie for the first time I'm around the same time Like 15 years old

[00:05:39] I had the exact same reaction the first time I watched spirit of the way Sort of like this is a very bewildering movie I didn't quite get it I just want to be able to like for this mini series

[00:05:50] Come back to it and be like I get it I'm converted I love it Look at me and touch with it I love people being friends with a river Hell yeah Well you haven't watched spirit of the way yet No but I'm worried I'm going to watch it

[00:06:02] And have the same thing where I go like this is very pretty I get it But spirit of the way is not as naturey Because it's mostly said in the bath house It doesn't just have to be the nature stuff

[00:06:11] I also feel like it's the sort of like non-literal, spiritual You got you again You're saying that it's not that much about nature But it is literally about a girl falling in love with a river Not falling in love He needs to understand that he's a river

[00:06:27] To get back in touch with himself She needs to understand that she's a whole person And he needs to understand that he's a whole river Right And this is my nightmare Your nightmare is that you are a river It would be like Kafka's the metamorphosis

[00:06:40] I'd be fine being a bug Griffin walks without himself a river I would be terrified And the worst thing is I wouldn't know how to end it You know what I'm saying? Oh God that's dark It's dark but it's true I wouldn't know how to end it

[00:06:56] Can't go astray you like I'm just thinking about episodes Been watching the show Yeah you like Lupin Like the old Lupin? Yeah I've been watching the first series Castle in the Sky I feel like you were into Very into but again it's an action movie

[00:07:11] Like that was like It's really Totoro was the one where you were kind of like Why isn't this like Hitting some deeper I like Ponyo but I rate it below Porcoroso Castle in the Sky and Lupin And I know Ponyo is your best friend

[00:07:26] I know Ponyo loves Ham I haven't seen Ponyo that's like the one movie I just have never seen it Ponyo is pretty cool Hey I love Ponyo It's pretty cool Pretty cool movie It's pretty cute SoSke and Ponyo loves Ham Ponyo loves Ham Ponyo loves Ham

[00:07:44] You met SoSke's mom but she's fucking banging Yeah Here's another story I was gonna raise the table for hilarious Oh okay Here's another thing I've been wondering If I should have watched these In the dubs And I know it's like a sacrilegious thing to say

[00:08:04] I was like I'm gonna watch them all sub Because that's like I was actually gonna tell you to watch this dub It's fucking Michael Keaton I figured you were just gonna do it Michael Keaton is Porcoroso Are you fucking kidding me? He's pretty good

[00:08:15] It's kind of a quiet performance by him I watched the trailer and I was all in Yeah it's great If I could raise the table right now You should watch it What does his laugh sound like Cause Porcoros laughs a lot He does a good laugh

[00:08:25] He does a ha ha ha The Japanese is like I mean Porcoros and the Japanese rules should be clear I mean you loved it I loved it Now that you've seen this sub Especially watch the dubs I know I feel like if I was a professional

[00:08:39] I would be watching each of these two times Before we recorded the episode You don't need to watch the dubs Before you record the episode Because like It's not gonna It's only gonna confuse the matter honestly But after Yeah You can always go back to those dubs

[00:08:51] I just feel like any of the small changes Most of the dubs are good Yeah And you watched I mean you mostly saw these as dubs before subs right No I saw Spirited Away No Mostly not Really? Mostly not Yes yes yes

[00:09:05] Cause that was just on TV and stuff And theatrically you saw the dubs Right but Spirited Away I saw it in a subtitle theatrically I can't remember with how I think I saw that one sub Spirited Away I remember seeing dubs And thinking the dubs was bad

[00:09:19] The dub in Spirited is not amazing Right The girl The main two girls are just not great It's Lilo Uh Lilo Who plays Lilo What's her name? David Chase DeVay Chase Yeah yeah Who is Lilo and is also She's Lilo, she's white She's like a very white girl

[00:09:38] I didn't realize that Is it a good performance? It's a great performance Lilo and Spirited Away It's just so fucking good I haven't seen that movie in like Almost 20 years I guess Yeah Did I say in a recent episode You said that and

[00:09:52] Right okay I just wanted to make sure I included it Disney's offered since like The Ashtman days basically I think they're the two best films Since Walt's time I don't even think it's the Ashtman days That's insane That's not true That's crazy

[00:10:06] I like them more than all of the musicals That's I don't agree with you But that's okay I think Lilo is like a perfect thing Yeah Lilo And I remember being great I think Lilo is also kind of the closest That Disney has come to making something

[00:10:20] That was a little like Miyazaki It's very American In its storytelling Treasure Planet's got some Miyazaki But Lilo in such as like Is very like small and intimate And it's all about the inner life You know Yeah And a cute creature And the way they like

[00:10:38] Involve like the The fantastical with the like The whole relationship between Lilo and her sister And how much of the movie is about Like this single mother trying really hard Not a single mother Or an older sister who is forced to become a single parent Sure

[00:10:52] And doesn't have time to like Be her own age Now that I'm watching all these Miyazaki films Feels like That is the subplot to every Miyazaki film Often There's some sort of human spying to it like that Total real Yeah Alright well, introduce the podcast

[00:11:08] It's a blank check with the Griffin and Dave It's a podcast about filmography Directors of Massive Success Early on in their career And give us series of blank checks To make whatever crazy passion projects they want And sometimes they connect more with Griffin And sometimes they don't Right

[00:11:19] I like them all I haven't disliked a movie I've seen Yeah I just wanted to suddenly have like Galaxy brain And be like I know kung fu You know, like I get it I get the whole thing Yeah But it's fine I love Porcaroso

[00:11:33] He's the top five guy Yeah We're talking about Porcaroso today So many series on the films of Hayomi Miyazaki Yeah What's it called? It's called How's Moving Podcast And who's our guest? Guest is Justin Charity Hello Hello Ranger The Ranger Damage control Also co-host of Sound Only

[00:11:52] We recently did an anime podcast at the Ranger Whoa Yeah, we did an Evangelion podcast It's called Sound Only Oh, I did Yeah, we did a mini series about neon genesis Evangelion Me and Micah Peters We did like the original TV show

[00:12:05] We did the movie The End of Evangelion And now we have a bunch of people In Sean Fennessey's mentions Campaigning for us to do the like Evangelion reboot movies Sure And also Cowboy Bebop Sure Well, that one We'll see We can do some negotiations We'll see

[00:12:20] What happens with that I highly recommend watching original Lupin Oh my God Fucking rules at the best He's also a top five guy with Porcaroso Have you watched any of the new Lupin? I haven't I've only watched Kegli Ostra And I've been watching the first series

[00:12:33] If you like Porcaroso I recommend that It's not the most recent season of Lupin But it's one before that Which is set in Milan It's like 13 or something It's very Japanese-European Yeah, it's good Good Beautiful Here's the thing If you're digging into this I've been trying to like

[00:12:51] Exposure therapy Break down my walls With Japanese animation Which I feel like I've been very selective In terms of what I've been able to connect with previously I'm trying to like Break through all my Dumb western biases, right? You love animation though That's the thing

[00:13:07] You do love animation That was the whole challenge You just gotta start from there Loving animation We talked about this And I've been doing it Getting into stuff But we talked about this I think in the Castle in the Sky episode

[00:13:16] The fact that I love animation so much Means that I'm so imprinted into American animation Unfortunately That it's like I have to sort of And it's easier for me to do now But when I was younger I was like This is not how I understand animation To work

[00:13:30] Yeah, okay So I was a kid It got really into like Structure and forms And patterns and things like that And it was so off the beaten path From what I was experiencing Even Jolyan Everyone's complaining The Netflix versions are Fucked with, right? Yeah How bad is that?

[00:13:46] I have complaints about people's complaints Because I was going to maybe Take a swing at that That's my thing I'm thinking about watching it Because I'm so lazy Have they not fucked with it enough That watching it on Netflix Is not like sacrilegious? I mean, my basic theory

[00:13:58] I structured that sense in some way My basic theory with all this stuff Right, is like If you're not watching something In the original Japanese You're watching a translation of it So watching one translation Versus that It's like you're not watching These are translations It's English

[00:14:13] People take liberties They change music Yeah, that stuff is more like Licensing problems And anime just in general Has a lot of problems Like even the idea Of getting Evangelion in Netflix It took a decade and some change Because the fucking anime industry Is a nightmare

[00:14:31] And getting the rights to anything Is very like a Byzantine process And I think people Sort of that show Getting on Netflix And people being like Well they didn't license The moon It just felt like Kill me now Get the fuck out of here They also replaced

[00:14:45] Fly Me to the Moon With another classic song From the original series It's not like they replaced it With Gangnam style or something Although that sounds kind of fun That sounds pretty good Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, just imagine Trying to explain Neon Genesis To Frank Snuffer Right

[00:15:04] All these kids doing Getting in, what's a robot Start there Well there is that amazing I only found out about this because of You must remember this Neon, that's a noble gas I know my periodic table Do you know about the Frank Sinatra space album? Yes I do

[00:15:20] It's one of the early What's the episodes of You must remember this Yeah, yeah, yeah Which was written and narrated By Karina Longworth Yes that's right But I would say I said this is the only reason I know about that But he did this triple album

[00:15:31] Which is where his cover Of New York New York comes from Right But it's also like him going like Pluto, what a place It's three discs Okay, it's a triple album It's called Past, Future, Present First disc, Frank do in his classics Right, the standards

[00:15:45] Second disc, Frank covering Like present day like recent songs So he does New York New York That's him I think doing something For the first time Right, the present Right, a lot of the sort of He does like the Billy Joel song He does the Neil Diamond song

[00:16:01] The Post 70's Sinatra covers that are famous All come from that second disc And then the third disc No one talks about which is Future The future And it's Frank singing like And what a Pluto The smallest planet It's incredible It's got this like bizarre

[00:16:20] Like Ziggy Stardust production Great album 1980 I think Yeah, it's incredible Old Sinatra So maybe he was like I'm digging your vibe Baby more robot suits I went to Japan once I'm not allowed to re-enter Diplomatic agreement Had to be struck by Jimmy Carter Oh my god

[00:16:45] I called in a favor Because I am deeply connected to The American mob These crazy little green men I love them It is super cut of all the impersonations that I've ever had From this part We should I was driving down 66 With Jimmy Hoffa

[00:17:04] We ran into these real alien cats He shot him in the face And we buried him in Nebraska I just, 66 go to Nebraska I remember Angie Dickinson And I took a wild weekend trip To area 51 Let Sinatra have voiced porco Oh, he would have been I mean

[00:17:25] If you, like from here to Eternity Or whatever, you know like That era of Frank Sinatra You know, you could pick him up Put him in a bi-point Curship But when I was looking for When I realized that Keaton Was the voice of Porco Rosso

[00:17:38] And I wanted to find a trailer For the dub So I could hear the voice I found a YouTube clip Of when they were playing All the G. B. Lee films I think it was right before Disney properly Released all of them But they were playing them all

[00:17:51] On turn of classic movies And Lasseter and Ben Mankovitz Would do the introductions together And Ben Mankovitz Made a really interesting point Where he was like This is of all the Miyazaki films We've been covering This is the one that probably fits Most at home on TCM Absolutely

[00:18:08] Because it's the one movie That feels like it could have been made It's 50% like that Right And then it's 50% kind of Wilder Miyazaki shit And there's a pig But he said he was like You could imagine the three leads In this film being played

[00:18:20] By like Gary Cooper and Carol Lumbart And I forget who the third person He said was But I think the answer is Sinatra would have played Porco Rosso You could play Porco Right Older Sinatra could play Porco Like you know 50 Sinatra Come back to Sinatra Oh you're right

[00:18:34] You know babyface Sinatra Could play the other guy 50 Sinatra would have been too young To play old Porco But old Sinatra is the perfect guy To play Porco No, 50 Sinatra can do it 50 Sinatra could do it He was pretty old in the 50s

[00:18:46] Man with a golden arm Sinatra Yeah, because in the 50s He's in his mid to late 40s I was forgetting he was such an old man He was born in 1915 Yeah He's old Yeah Old But kept young by those crazy Martians I said kids I love these kids

[00:19:03] You can stay on this planet And I'll sing you a song Gotta play by my rules Some of your green Mars pills I don't know In the episode What do you think of this? His kids are literally You're not an entrepreneur Ben I don't Oh blue eyes

[00:19:19] You don't like him Wow But you hate hippies I find What's that? But you hate hippies I don't hate hippies If you remember Oh right, it's Alex It's Alex Ross Perry who hates hippies You actually were fine with hippies I like 60s music

[00:19:32] I think it has a huge influence I don't like hippie culture I dislike it If that Charlie Manson rolled up on me I would have shot him Square in the face I think I got two things against Sinatra A, because I'm from New Jersey

[00:19:44] He's been shoved down my throat My entire life Oh sure Toe-voken It's like Sinatra and Joe Budden man Wasn't Sinatra like from New Jersey And he was born there And he was like 12 years like I'm out of here This place is a dump

[00:19:58] I think there's a famous mugshot of him Being arrested in Hoboken Yeah I tried to kill the governor That's the poster that people have on their college Oh yeah, yes of course Where he kind of looks like John Dilliger Yeah And like

[00:20:12] Okay, because we're making fun of him You're doing his singing Kind of like shtick It's not singing He's just singing No, he's an incredible singer He can sing But a lot of this stuff goes for He's a fantastic singer You gotta listen to Zip Sinatra

[00:20:27] He's got golden pipes But yes, later in his career The thing you could mock was him just sort of like Talking to a place And I saw a tree Sounds fucking evocative And I saw a bird Wait a second Wait a second Is he on Twitter? Ben Ben

[00:20:45] You had some good songwriting today Ben You saw the second bird I never knew you had such a beautiful voice You can sing like an angel Come fly with me Okay, enough of me Where do you stand on Bruce? As the other sort of You love Bruce

[00:21:04] I love Bruce Bruce is my man Bruce is like blue collar hero Right, but like we were talking about this About how good the Broadway slash Netflix special Is where he's like I never worked in a factory That is a crock of shit I'm a fucking professional musician

[00:21:22] What are you talking about? I'm a fancy Nancy I had a hit album when I was 20 Never worked in a factory My family was all pulled into class You kidding me, I live in a mansion That was not my life at all I just found it evocative

[00:21:32] The only darkness is in the rooms I don't enter in my mansion Because it's so large Big rooms Well, I resisted Bruce a lot too Because it was so shoved down my throat My dad's music But then later in life I discovered it And it's just like Nebraska

[00:21:45] Warren in the USA There's so many Even his late 80s albums are so fantastic He's just a great songwriter So I've come on board to the Bruce train Where are you from Justin? Richmond He's from Virginia Richmond from the outskirts of Richmond So who's like Richmond's famous songs?

[00:22:01] Yeah, who's like, yeah Oh, D'Angelo Really? That's, I mean that's I always associate Richmond with D'Angelo What about that hip-hop scene? Yeah, D'Angelo I mean that's singing It's more like an R&B guy Yeah Atmosphere Oh wow, you You spent time in Richmond Trying to find like

[00:22:19] You know, the list where it's like Famous people from Yeah There's not someone like Who's like shoved down the throat In the same way that Ben's talking about though No There's not like a clear cut Like this is our pride and joy Sort of

[00:22:33] This is the one who got out and made good I mean the problem with D'Angelo Is that D'Angelo didn't really make it out He sort of got stuck in Richmond for a while And was going through some rough times His down period was in Richmond Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:22:47] If you would read about him on local news It was a rough news with him Apparently, what's his name? The guy with the hat, Jason Emraz Is that how you say his name? Jason Emraz! I never knew that I never did that Or at least Amy Mann apparently

[00:23:01] Wait, was it Dave Samrogal? No, I thought Dave and Ress from Charlottesville Yeah, but I think he's associated with Oh, Charlottesville Oh, Charlottesville Yeah Let me see Oh, Chris Brown Yeah, CB is from me CB is from Richmond Oh, Trey Songz Okay Trey Songz

[00:23:18] I'm trying to see it Oh, Trey Songz from Petersburg Oh, and Guar Oh, shit They're from Richmond Guar, rules Do you know that Guar Every ten years they cycle through new characters? Right And they're due for a new set of characters I might be behind on this

[00:23:36] They might have already debuted them Me, I love Guar Those kids from Richmond Those crazy kids from Richmond I love them with their helmets and oversized weapons I went to a Guar show Ron's got sucked in the jaw It was part of the experience

[00:23:49] Nothing I love more than a couple HEPCATS from Art School Coming up with a conceptual theater project That somehow charts as a legitimate band, baby HEPCATS from Art School is definitely what Richmond is now It was not like that when I was growing up

[00:24:03] Ask me who the best kids making music today are It's Divo and Guar for me Frank Sinatra God, Divo would hate Frank Sinatra But Frank Sinatra would love Divo I get it, kids You don't like disco either, right? Right These kids, they can't stop whipping it

[00:24:19] How is this the bit we arrived on for Porco Rose? Because Frank Sinatra is the lead voice Performance in the English dub of Porco Rose Yeah, that's it He should have been He should be live action Porco Rose Rip Rip

[00:24:34] I'm just not surprised that you love this movie I am surprised you did not flip your audio channel Over to English just to at least check out, old Keeney I was really tempted I did it for a second or two

[00:24:43] But I was like, I'm gonna watch this a second time I love this movie Let me fully engage with it As the master himself intended But God, it's so fucking tempting to hear that You know why I didn't flip over more

[00:24:56] Because I was afraid to get stuck on it Like all the other ones we've been watching I flip over a little bit Just to get a lay of the land And I was like, if I start hearing Keet For more than two seconds I'm gonna be sucked in

[00:25:06] Right I was telling David Before we started recording that I went back and rewatched this movie last night Without the subtitles But also without the English dub He's watching in jail Yeah, because it's just like Sometimes I like doing that with animated stuff Where it's sort of like

[00:25:22] I was trying to gauge the expressiveness Instead of just sort of How does this movie work just visually With the energy of the voice performances Even if I don't understand The original voice performances And I don't know For such a weird premise of a movie

[00:25:37] Like, pretty easy to follow Yeah, it's gonna Porco Rosso is very easy to follow Yeah, it's not that complicated It's plot-like There's not a lot of plot-like It's also crazy though Like he's wearing goggles the entire movie Pretty much He takes them off one time

[00:25:49] And he's got a big bushy mustache That covers a lot of his mouth Like Porco Rosso is facially kind of stoic Importantly though And you only see this a few times He has like a weird buzz In the back of his head A buzz? Yeah, it's a buzz

[00:26:02] He's got a little buzz part Yeah Like a little landing ship Exactly, like a landing ship I don't know why This guy is so cool He's pretty cool So I was in from second one This is what I thought you would like

[00:26:14] Like I started the movie and I was like Fuck, this is my favorite one Yeah The moment that he is asleep on the beach In his chair with the Hollywood magazine Over his face He has a secret grotto, yeah This guy's a fucking pig

[00:26:25] You know I love pigs too I don't think I knew that I mean, I didn't think you hated pigs You got a pig thing? I have a big pig thing I didn't eat any pig products Until the last five years of my life The last five years

[00:26:39] Because I felt such solidarity with pigs That I was like, I'm not eating any Any pig derived from me Like bacon? I started eating bacon five years ago What was, what did it? Got you into bacon So good So good So embarrassing Oh my god I don't know

[00:26:55] What could it be? I don't know There's an item at Costco Called the chicken bake They sell it like the food stand at Costco Which of course is one of my favorite restaurants It's one of your favorite places to eat Right Okay It looks like

[00:27:09] It looks not dissimilar from your Very popular Dunkin Donuts Bagel Twist option It's like a bagel twist but stuffed with It's kind of like a chicken roll from a pizza place Cheese Caesar dressing Sure Chicken and bacon What was it like the first time you ordered this

[00:27:26] Because it's somebody who didn't eat bacon Until recently What was the duck that came out of the side of it I think, oh god Because there were two options There's a chicken bake And I forget what the other one is But I think I ordered the chicken bake

[00:27:38] Without realizing there was bacon in it That was the thing And then I was like Oh there's bacon in this And then for the first time I was like What if I don't recoil Uh huh You know Yeah What if I keep eating this

[00:27:50] And I liked it enough Then I started going like Let me try getting bacon on the dish And now I get bacon on everything My friend Jake used to say When I was like I'm embarrassed I like this chicken bake thing And I was like He was like

[00:28:03] Of course you like it You only like eating food dicks Which then I realized Yeah Many of the foods I like Are just big Falloc Hunks of food Like I like just like Some stick or something With shit Crammed inside of it You like a stick

[00:28:21] I like a stick You like food Right I think I like that I think I like that Just being able to like Hold a stick Yeah You just like food You're just laughing at food dicks, Ben Yeah Ben's like Yeah But I love pigs

[00:28:40] When I was a child Didn't have a pet Most of the kids at school had pets And I felt left out I had an imaginary pet pig named Oikki And now it's all people I had a pig Yeah I have a cat named Pig I know That's confusing

[00:28:57] Named after Miss Piggy I didn't know that I didn't know that either Well it was like A culmination of that And when I brought her home The first time she made A mess of my apartment Oh, she's a pig She turned into a pigsty Yeah She She did

[00:29:12] All the business on herself So then I had to Try and put her in the shower And that wasn't good And then she just ran around And teared everything up This sounds like a pigsty A funny egg Yeah this will sound funny I wish I could watch that

[00:29:24] You want to get a film at? Yeah Okay Hey, cat ownership is tough Ben you should pitch the sequibi Get Sinatra aboard as a producer Oh, okay I love what Katzenberg's doing over there The kids like six minute things When Ben pitched me his crazy project

[00:29:41] I said Katzen, Katzenberg It sounds like a match made in Pluto I'm dead Pluto The smallest of the planet Do you think if he was back today And he heard that like Neil deGrasse Tyson made Pluto Not a planet He'd be like, I'm gonna punch that guy

[00:29:59] I hope he would make Neil deGrasse Tyson Distracts You're a distra... Do you think Sinatra would have been like Neil, you are a fucking chump To go like full McCartney And like, you know Guest on like a Kanye track Or you know what I mean

[00:30:13] Like, you know, collaborate Don't you imagine he'd be like The subject of lots of clickbait Right? Like he would just give outrageous Oh yeah, he'd be like He'd be like Shatner on Twitter Yeah, yes, yes That's exactly it Look, Trump tells it like it is I don't know

[00:30:28] He's a New Yorker Like me Say what you want about the guy But he's got brass balls Right How old was he when he died? Let's find out Sinatra, 86 82 in 1998 I remember, that's the sketch I remember most from when Giuliani hosted SNL Do you remember this?

[00:30:46] He hosted the night that He won the election Yes And He There's a sketch That's Giuliani as an old Italian mother I think was Sharioteri Wait, Giuliani cross-fressing? That sounds crazy Yeah, it's not In New Jersey And the premise is that Like Sinatra's kind of been

[00:31:06] On his deathbed Okay And they're like all terrified Like everyone knew Like Sinatra We might lose him any day I just remember that It's a weird cultural art So Sinatra's not in it It's just about that It's Giuliani as the matriarch With his two adult daughters Yes

[00:31:24] But may Sinatra not die Got the framed picture It's Frank will never die I'm crossing myself Yeah Yeah I prefer Giuliani's early funny work Yeah, you like that? Yeah Right You know Making the statin with Perry Free He did that Very funny Good stuff Very good Yeah So

[00:31:46] You'd rather be a pig than Giuliani voter When did you come to this movie, Justin? It sounds like you were later In terms of getting to most of the Miyazaki No, I saw it It's funny Were you saying earlier Like I actually didn't like

[00:32:01] A few of the Miyazaki movies That I saw when I was a kid And I watched Totoro For the first time Like several years ago And loved Totoro And so I just assumed That my takes from childhood were bad Right And Yeah, I would say like

[00:32:18] Maybe six or seven years ago Like I watched Totoro I watched Nalsuka I read the Nalsuka manga Which is like much larger Like a lot more sprawling than the movie And I got to Porcaroso Maybe like two or three years ago And I wanted to fucking kick myself

[00:32:38] I had the same I just had this sense of I don't know, there's sort of this myth Of Hayami Miyazaki Of like what he's like That not that many animators get And go No, you look at Miyazaki And he's just like smoking cigarettes And being extremely like dark

[00:32:55] And sarcastic in interviews And you watch Porcaroso And Porco is not like that He doesn't have that weird glib Sort of nihilistic edge That Miyazaki has But everything else about Porco Like the fact that he's just A guy who's like working on his fucking airplane

[00:33:12] And he's smoking cigarettes It's like, oh this is This is who this is The guy who makes these movies This is my insight into who he is He's a pig Yeah, I feel like yes I do feel like I get a greater sense Of him watching this movie

[00:33:27] Him as an actual person Not what his world view is You know Yes, him as a person is in this Is the most in this and Winner as you Which are the most plainy movies Which is his true obsession Right, and that thing of just like

[00:33:43] I can't relate to you if you're not well versed in planes Yeah, it's funny because like I really just want to talk about planes It's just around the time like Porcaroso is adapted from Miyazaki manga that are actually larger And feel more manga-y

[00:33:59] But Porcaroso is adapted from a 15 page manga I think Miyazaki has talked about it And been like, yeah just fucking In the 90s I really love drawing planes Three different art books in manga Where he's just drawing planes And he's getting insanely detailed about

[00:34:14] Like the Nonsukamanga is a big Heshi multi-volume Right, right, right Whereas the Porcaroso stuff is just Here's some planes Okay, this is the thing I want to read Okay, so right He writes a manga called The Age of the Flying Boat But the film was originally

[00:34:31] Planned as a short In-flight film for Japan Airlines Based on the manga, grew into a future length film Which is wild Insane If you look at the manga It's like you can read it in five minutes 15 pages you read in five minutes And that's the movie Porcaroso

[00:34:48] Yeah but it's also like if they were like Delta Airlines hired Martin Scorsese To make their in-flight film And he got so caught up with it It turned out to be the aviator Yeah, yeah That is the craziest Origin of a film I have ever heard

[00:35:03] He often wants to do a short film And it's like oh this is a feature It happens to him I just love that they're like Miyazaki It's really simple In-flight movie Why don't you take the character from that manga Just talk about planes for a second

[00:35:13] It's literally just buckle the seat belts The oxygen bags Exit rows And he's like cool, cool, cool It has expanded into a 90 minute narrative About war Fascism Fascism Yes And the toll it takes on men And turns them into pigs When they try to enter heaven

[00:35:31] And are rejected I thought they were like This is a short walk The book is about planes, right? And he was like I cannot What if Porcoroso still had met a scene Where Porcoroso gave out safety insurance Yeah, where Porcoroso is like Apply your oxygen mask first Before

[00:35:47] Before Helping others, yeah That always freaked me out when I was a kid Hate it Yeah, don't like it No Don't like flying Actually I know you don't I love it You love it Yeah That is crazy I don't like cars

[00:36:03] Have you ever been in a small like single engine plane? I feel like I have I have, I got to fly one Someone let me fly a plane Who? Yeah, what should we Let's just call the FAA right now My friends give away this person's license

[00:36:17] Please tell me the statute of limitations Isn't up on this horrible crime Is my friend's irresponsible stepdad Uh-huh Okay This is when you were a kid He was like take the stick kid Yeah Up his go and down his stop And I

[00:36:31] And he let me kinda just do that kinda move I'm like gesturing where like I kinda turn the plane on its side You did like a half barrel roll? Yeah Fuck Ben, I wanted to go to space camp so bad as a kid You did

[00:36:43] My mom was like what the fuck are you talking about Like we're buying food not space camp Meanwhile you're doing barrel rolls like a fucking star fox It was great I hate star fox Miyazaki should make a star fox movie This movie is almost a star fox movie

[00:36:56] Yeah And it has a pig man flying Actually like the last 20 minutes of this movie Very very you know slipping it back here Slipping it back here Do a barrel roll I should mention though having to eject Hey fuck someone your side The plane crashing that was unfortunate

[00:37:11] For you? Yeah Oh boy Uh I don't really have to hold this story on the podcast before Okay I went to space camp Wow No you fucking went to I went to space camp Which one Florida I went to Florida I had Okay I had the brochure

[00:37:28] You went to the place where I had the brochure for Yeah I hate this No but here's the story It's a somewhat traumatic experience for me One of the centerpiece attractions is The Well there's the gyroscope Which everyone watches from the side and goes like

[00:37:43] That's what I think of I'm gonna be able to handle that Whereas I'm like oh no I won't be attending Thank you Keep it a positive Everyone lasts three seconds Everyone lasts three seconds right And the final thing is When you get to do the simulation

[00:37:59] Of the cockpit And they give you a binder that has a script And everyone has a role And my role was exercise expert Which was such a fucking bummer Kind of a disastrous role for you It was like you're on the exercise bike

[00:38:11] And you have to keep a log of how it You're fucking How long does this simulation take? Like an hour Okay You're like in like a capsule Yeah And it's like oh you're the pilot You're the engineer You're the exercise expert

[00:38:26] And one person gets to do like the space walk Like one person gets to go out in the arm And that role is so much cooler than everything else But you're not floating Right You're on like a robot That's cool Okay It's not like a robot arm

[00:38:41] It's pretty It's like jimbles Analog But someone's like Maneuvering you around While you're on a rig or whatever From my memory Exercise You know, scientist is the worst fucking position I hate it But I was already at this point Like completely traumatized Because the other big thing is

[00:38:58] Here's our zero gravity Like sort of simulation And the way they do it is It's essentially like a rock Climbing wall Okay With like pulleys Except the wall is just kind of Like a grid It looks like the set for like Rent or something Right

[00:39:16] It's like a metal grid Of bars and shit And on the other The other side of the pulley Is on the other side of the grid And on that side is Your weight In iron weights Yeah, in pounds Right So they weigh you before you get on it

[00:39:34] And then you get on this thing And because there's an equal weight When you jump up It like feels like You're sort of zero gravity And you can clamp the wall and whatever And that's their like simulation Of like this is what it feels like to

[00:39:46] You know be able to whatever I was a Like a dangerously underweight kit Right so they just took like You know somewhat sack launch And put it on the other side Well it was a thing where my dad was like If you get to 100 pounds

[00:40:02] I'll buy you a Tamagotchi Sure And I wanted You want to get that Tamagotchi? I finally got it That was a very old statement Yes You got it but it was in 2015 Yeah I got it for my 30th birthday My parents finally got me a Tamagotchi

[00:40:17] They finally hit the hundo Right but I was like 60 pounds And they were like You gotta eat more And they're like funneling ice cream into my mouth Like everyone's afraid I was gonna die And they were just like Game weight, game weight, game weight

[00:40:28] And I got on the scale At space camp and I was like Oh my god I'm 105 pounds And I was like this is I can't wait to call my dad Tell him Get a Tamagotchi ready for me I'm coming home And I'm cracking an egg

[00:40:42] Crack that egg exactly Yeah And of course I had not miraculously Gained 30 pounds just while at space camp There's ice cream Their scale was broken And so they plugged me in And they let go And I shot up to the ceiling

[00:40:58] And you're in like a big like hanger And they couldn't get me down for two hours No Should I not have gone to space camp? I cannot exaggerate This is like Space camp sounds so stressful Yeah Did you sleep over? Yes

[00:41:15] And I left my Elmo doll at home And it was a nightmare I didn't know you had an Elmo doll I had an Elmo doll You were a big Elmo kid I was a big Elmo kid But the other part of it was

[00:41:23] That I would sleep on the Elmo every night Like as a pillow Oh okay Like pillow, Elmo head Justin and I just sort of shared a look What about pillows though? Do you ever hear about those? They're great They don't have like eyes and a nose

[00:41:38] But I was so used to that shape That when I got old enough That I was like embarrassed about the Elmo I'd hide it in my pillowcase Pretty cute Yeah, Griff you are a weird kid Me? I know this has never been reported on On this podcast before

[00:41:51] But you were a weird kid But my main takeaway from space camp Is two hours where they were like With a megaphone Like the only way you're getting down Is by yourself We don't have There's no way for us to get up there And to reach you

[00:42:03] And there's so much weight Working against you That they were like You have to reverse climb down the grid I'm not sure that I like the idea Of space camp telling me there's no way For us to That doesn't sound right I didn't like it either

[00:42:16] That's not the problem solving That I saw in a movie Like first man I feel like the whole point is problem solving I was like nine years old I was like two foot one I weighed 60 pounds And they were like You're gonna have to use your brute strength

[00:42:29] To carry your way down to the ground again Right No Elmo Broken scales Broken scale Exercise expert Terrible Fucking racket Orco Rosso Rosso? I say Rosso Because it rhymes Yeah He's the red pig The Crimson pig He's the Crimson pig Do you like that typewriter intro

[00:42:55] In all the languages? Love it It's pretty good That's the thing Like right away I was like This is kind of funny You know I was like I'm jamming on this movie This movie's having a laugh It's playing with the form a little bit

[00:43:09] He's World War I fighter race He is Lance bounty hunter Yeah He's Griffin's best friend He's one of my best friends He chills out in a cove He loves old Hollywood Sure But he pushes people away Yeah cause he's a pig He's a disgusting pig

[00:43:25] All middle aged men are pigs Cause he tells us late in the movie That's why he's a pig It's either that or that heaven may be rejected If I'm turned into a pig Right like 50 of one 50 of the other But also war makes pigs of us all

[00:43:39] I mean I like this thing that it's like He's the best At doing a thing that's inherently Kind of fucked up Sure You know They're like what a hero He shoots people out of the sky He's like I'm this disgusting pig I murder pig As you said

[00:43:53] He shoots children in the beginning of it The movie opens with him It's like so heroic And it's this bond and style Like everything's happening And he's like shooting At children What a dance in Rome Unintentionally but he's shooting at children Well they're these Air pirates

[00:44:10] They got big beards and big teeth You gotta take them down I love the pirates The pirates are so good The pirates are so great Opening with a bunch of pirates Kidnapping a bunch of stuff Like young girls Why? That's good It's good

[00:44:26] But there's no point asking why That's the beauty of this movie But I love the girls being like Oh my god look they're pirates The pirates being like take us seriously And then you cut to them like Five minutes later And the kids are jumping around

[00:44:38] And they're like we shouldn't have taken all the kids Too many kids We could have proven the same point with like two kids This is like a handful now And so Porco's so good That the pirates hire This asshole called Curtis

[00:44:53] To I don't know help them fight Porco Who's like Ronald Reagan Combined with like Douglas Fairbanks He's American and they're in Italy He's just played by Kerry Elwes In the dub which is funny Because he was a Robin Hood parody at one point Right but then Kerry Elwes

[00:45:07] Also plays like He's in like a ton of these right? He's like David Oggan Steyer So he became one of those guys I'll just do your dubs like whatever It's just funny He's the cat in whispers of the heart And the cat returns I believe

[00:45:20] I love cat returns I haven't watched that The only G-Bleys I've never seen Cat returns is fucking fire The cat's back in this one Does he return? In Porco Roso? No Stupid Yeah he's done, you're right He's done three G-Bleys dubs David Oggan Steyer

[00:45:40] Who plays Mr. Piccolo in the dub here I feel like he's done multiple G-Bleys dubs Well he also he was like Cogsworth And he's Yes Right, I mean he did so many David Oggan Steyer Yeah He's also Jumbo in Only Loan Yes, yes and he's Kamaji

[00:45:56] And he's spirited away He's the dad and better off dad Justin I feel like Oh no I guess you gave your Miyazaki His personality But do you have anything else You want to say about Miyazaki before we do Like when did you get into Miyazaki?

[00:46:12] Well I would have, I'd say in the past 10 years Aname for you or like were you already into Aname Well to like to Griffin's earlier point about Like get it like Your relationship to Japanese animation Maybe being contingent on your feelings About Western animation Yeah

[00:46:29] I feel like it gets even more complicated Because Japanese film animation is so different From Japanese TV animation Very true So I'm a person Japanese film animation I've been able to access much easier Yes, the distribution is totally different And as somebody who My highest loyalty in animation

[00:46:45] Is to like Japanese TV animation I think that accounts for why I used to have like a lot of trouble with Miyazaki movies And I was just sort of like I don't get it Was that the case from a young age too Did you get into Aname early

[00:46:57] Yeah, yeah, well the first Aname I ever watched Was Sailor Moon Which I fucking love And I didn't get into the Miyazaki movie I didn't really start getting into Miyazaki until like Yeah, I'd say age like 14 maybe And it's just so tonally different

[00:47:10] And I also think the way that Miyazaki movies used to be marketed In the US was so strange They were very, I felt like they were marketed With this very self-conscious prestige To them And I don't think that's a good way to Of course those movies Special objects

[00:47:24] Like here Hayao Miyazaki's latest Artwork And I think in retrospect That is not the way to approach his movie It is fascinating that like in Japan He is of course the most mainstream thing Yeah, right, he is like the equivalent Of like a blockbuster filmmaker

[00:47:39] I think he is for the top 10 Highest-grossing films in the history of Japan Don't pull the list up because I want to quiz you On them at some point in the podcast You wanna quiz me? I wanna do a reverse box office game With the top 10 Japanese films

[00:47:49] Because I looked them up last night And it's a pretty fascinating question Oh, do you like have the list? Okay I'll do it at some point Maybe in this episode We don't have box office results For Coroso which feels like we won't I mean once again

[00:47:58] We have like a You know 2018 re-release Yeah, okay So I might do that at the end of the episode I don't know I'll call them a shot What can I say? But Sailor Moon was sort of your entry way And yeah And like Japanese TV animation Right

[00:48:13] And so I think for a long I would say really only in the past 10 years Have I really tried to get more Into Japanese film animation What are your like Your top TV shows What are your I'd say Ava I'd say the original Sailor Moon Okay Huh

[00:48:33] I mean You know I think I like a lot of the mainstream shit Like Cowboy Bebop I guess I like some of the more trolly I like some 2000 stuff I think that's when TV anime gets weird It gets very like I don't want to say fetishishy

[00:48:50] But it's sort of like the anime Initiative at that point Yeah, it's like Haruhi Suzumiya I really like Because that is like the ultimate Sort of like troll show Right over the head When you say troll show You mean they're trolling or it's about trolls No, they're trolling

[00:49:05] Did Richard Lawson have any role I'm asking No, Haruhi Suzumiya is like A show that is trolling Like down to the level of like Which order you should ideally Ideally watch the episodes in Yeah, it's like It is a very fascinatingly constructed show That goes off the rails

[00:49:25] And it's second season Yeah But it's a great It's like one of my favorite TV experiments Is that show It's like in 2006 So you get into Miyazaki Yeah You see some Miyazaki movie I don't know what you saw for Totoro Spirited Away Spirited Away I don't know, okay

[00:49:45] When do you come to Mr. Pick? You know When does Porco For a show his face to you? I think like three years ago Yeah Okay, and so And the first time I saw it Was that metrograph And you were like

[00:49:57] Grifin and you kind of latched onto it And you were like This is the Miyazaki I've been looking for Yeah, yeah I felt like I felt upset with myself That it had taken me so long To get to Porco Rosa Right I remember seeing

[00:50:10] Like the Porco Rosa poster at some point Because I feel like this is One of the ones that is least discussed In his oof Well, I think for a long time It was Like if you were talking To someone about like Which Miyazaki They'd be like

[00:50:23] Porco Rosa, that's a weird one And it's more for grown-ups You know what I mean Like, yeah Like the movie that It doesn't really fare well If the test is like If you liked X Miyazaki Yeah, sure Watch what The Y is never going to be Porco Rosa

[00:50:36] If you liked Totoro Watch Porco Rosa I just feel like I didn't know it existed For a long time And then when I finally hit my radar When I like Saw the DVD cover At Best Buy or something And I was like This is a Miyazaki movie

[00:50:48] He a pig? No one talks about it And he a pig I was like Blank, blank Right, but I was like Do I not know about this Because this is the bad one Do I not know about this Because everyone else is dumb

[00:50:58] And this is the best movie ever made It's the weird one Right I think that's the best way I think it grossed less Than some of his biggest hits in Japan Like it was not quite I think it's still a divine Yeah

[00:51:09] But it was not quite the sensation Maybe that I saw it Totoro had been Did you're willing Europe? Well, it's set in Europe I know It did well there It also feels I mean I think Porco Rosa is a little It can feel a little discordant

[00:51:21] Even because so many other Miyazaki movies Can feel like They're made by a guy Who doesn't really like The future Or the present And it's sort of like Human innovation Has it ruined everything? Yeah, let's scale it back And then meanwhile Porco Rosa is about a guy

[00:51:36] Working on his plane It's all these loving shots Of equipment Yes And it just feels Very very different From watching Like you watch Nausica And then you watch Porco Rosa And it feels like Two completely different World views Are making these movies Even though I don't think

[00:51:51] I think I think on closer reading It's not incompatible Yes But it just At first glance Something about Porco Rosa Feels like There are elements that aren't Revealed in the other Miyazaki movies Sure Well we started Dignan's But I love that the movie Starts with a nap

[00:52:09] And then goes Like a speeding bullet Right Like it starts with Like a little quiet nap And then it's immediately Like straight into the action Comedy Action Thrills You know what I'm saying? But you're right That like Gunfire Would be like We're starting with this

[00:52:25] Like very melancholic sort of Like Here's Porco He napped it Yeah Like probably not Like probably you would start In the air And then you Right, no But then you do this Then you get in the air Without any table setting Without any We know he's a pig

[00:52:42] I'm saying it's like 15 minutes before He like shows up At the restaurant Yeah But it's zero minutes Before he's a pig It's zero minutes Before he's a pig Yeah At the restaurant You got Curtis there You got Gina there Who rules? Who plays Gina in the American Dome?

[00:52:58] Susan Egan Classic voice actress Oh interesting You know she's She's Belle Yes Yeah From Beauty and the Beast Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes According to your worst movie That you wanna say Um Yup You can't shame me I stand by that Um And And Gina

[00:53:19] Like Curtis is trying To like hit on Gina And is like You know what's up with you I love you And she's like Sorry, I'm into the pig Yeah Yeah, yeah, steer clear I'm picked up I'm going Yeah But I love that it's like Porko genuinely

[00:53:33] As we get to later in the movie Has not ever considered That anyone would like him That's fair Right, yeah He's kind of like I'm a lost soul Right, I was like Okay, I get what kind of movie this is This is the like

[00:53:45] Honey, you don't wanna know me You don't wanna be with me I'm protecting you No But instead it's like I'm a fucking pig Wait, she likes me? Yeah Like even at the end of the movie When the guy's like What do you mean She wants you Not me

[00:53:58] That's what I'm mostly mad about And he's like You're lying He's so stunned that the guy gets An opportunity to clear Connick him I think we've talked up The melancholic elements Of the movie But I think just It's important that The character Porko himself

[00:54:11] Is actually kind of like Carefree I don't know He's like sitting around Drinking wine on a beach He's kind of got that vibe Of like Like he's like sitting here So it's all extra time I think he's a little nihilistic And also we're in Italy

[00:54:22] And also we're in Italy So the pasta's good I think he's a little nihilistic And a little hedonistic In terms of like I'm doing me What's the worst thing you can do to me I'm already a fucking pig What's the thing is If I'm a pig

[00:54:33] I'm gonna eat 24-7 He's like I'm a pig I'm not really worried About how I look anymore I look like a pig He's got a great body shape And I love the way he Outfits himself His mustache is great too Compared to Curtis' mustache Which sucks

[00:54:45] Curtis' mustache is The best signifier That he's like a weak chin dildo Right And like Porcos' mustache Even when you see human And you're like Oh, it was just the same mustache How is Gina supposed to look At Curtis' mustache At any point Right, exactly No thank you

[00:55:01] Curtis Sucks I'm trying to think of a plot here I'm trying to be a Hollywood movie star And also be president Oh, here we go Here, actually You know Let me read you a Miyazaki quote I got my book Right? Okay I'm taking out a leather bound volume

[00:55:17] It would be great There's like a green smoke Rising from the page This is your new bit Crest is glowing Which is the line holding us up there Right It would be great if Like Porco I could sit around and smoke cigarettes While watching some young kid

[00:55:31] And making comments Like staying up late All the time while shortening your life Or it'll be bad for your complexion Laps Of course Reality doesn't work that way It'd be pretty tough to live The way the characters in this film do The staff members who worked on Porcoroso

[00:55:47] Had to burn the midnight oil all the time And some didn't even get to rest on a Sunday There are a lot of reasons for this And it's an area where I need to make improvements Seth, I love you! Here's the part

[00:55:58] Here's the part that I want to get to But I personally enjoy it When I become so absorbed In something that I completely forget about myself That's kind of sweet I know, but like I feel like that is the Miyazaki vibe Where everyone else is like

[00:56:09] We have to please Mr. Miyazaki I will draw until my hands are bones And he's just like sitting there And he's like Oh, I pooped in my pants again Because I just love this movie so much Like I forgot that I'm a human being

[00:56:19] Right, everyone else is like Working overtime and crunching And Miyazaki is like I'm trying to work so hard That I forget who I am That I become one with the work Yeah Yeah I relate to that So I like the Miyazaki I get that you see

[00:56:34] I want to forget about myself I get that you see me in Porco I see me in Porco I do But at the same time When I'm making these movies I am not me I am the movie Like, you know, I like The B-Anx

[00:56:46] It's my body or whatever Yeah I love that Love Porco Trying to see what else he says about Porco Is there anything about pig my cat in there? Does he say anything about that? No, he doesn't mention She's sort of a national treasure Talking a lot about warfare

[00:57:02] There's a pitch I've been throwing around New national treasure And it's about my cat You mean like Nicholas Cage is like We've got to fight, but it's cat He's trying to fight Because it's a national treasure? She is a national treasure I can't disagree with that Oh, okay

[00:57:17] You disagree with that? No, I can't Oh, okay Air tight lodge He talks about how As he's making this movie Suddenly the world order collapses The Soviet Union goes away There's war in the Balkan states Which is where this is set And he felt very conflicted about

[00:57:39] Like why am I making this flip-in war movie Set in a place where there's actual war So I feel like he tried to make the movie A little darker as a result A little more of what you're talking about The kind of like We are, you know

[00:57:50] It does make animals of us Like, you know, it is kind of like Unforgettable sin At the best you become a glorious animal You become like a majestic predator Not the pigs or predators But you know what I'm saying No, they just eat They eat

[00:58:05] That's why I like them But they are smart Piggies That's the other reason why I like them They are smart creatures I think Yeah, they're very smart Why don't you ever get like a teacup pig Pet? I do it now What is a teacup pig?

[00:58:18] It's like a supposedly small pig That's cute But then they do grow up And, you know, they are large creatures What do you do? Parasultin hat You can treat them like a dog Like you can train a pig You can like I have friends who had the pigs

[00:58:30] You did? George Clooney had a pig Well, Clooney famously had a pig Right Yeah, no pigs Pigs are right up there with like dolphins It's like the smartest Quite intelligent It's illegal in New York City to own a pig Yeah, but that's just bullshit

[00:58:42] It's illegal to own all kinds of things in New York City that people are My roommate had a snake for seven years It was totally illegal But like who's gonna come? The snakes are illegal Yeah, but who's gonna come? The place he was on in town And police

[00:58:53] Yeah, it's like Diplase is not gonna The only one they care about is ferrets You know, the Giuliani The ferrets that are cheaters Giuliani hates the ferrets Yeah Get a pig Get a pig No, but I also feel like

[00:59:04] If you have a pig, you want to be able to take it outdoors Yeah, I mean you'd probably You'd probably prefer to live in nature Well, they're never gonna check my snake Like fucking case It was pretty big Let me tell you

[00:59:16] I remember I stayed in his bedroom one time Wait, was the snake there when you stayed in that bedroom? I think it was Yeah, you can love him Your old roommate learned it That's right, learned it A learned man Yeah, he was a learned man Yeah Uh, yeah

[00:59:29] He had a snake I remember And I remember I asked him once Why do you have a pet snake? It was a big, it was like a large bro constrictor Yeah And he was like, when I come in the room, doesn't even know who I am

[00:59:43] That was learned at five I remember learned bedroom was just books and a snake Correct He wanted to have like a Like the largest library I've ever seen in one room Yes, he wanted to have a beauty and the beast style experience

[00:59:54] So he tried to turn his room into all these like bookcase sort of shelving You know what? That is exactly what it was It was just like big, like hardcover books Yeah He very deeply connected to Belle like, you know, gliding along on the ladder You know, right

[01:00:07] Where is he now? Texas Doing what? A PhD in like science fiction at Rice University I know, pretty cool So it's learned corner Yeah, learned a foot Anyone, shout out He's the only person with that name So if you heard that name, you know him

[01:00:23] So we end up at Gina's restaurant Yeah And, uh, I'm trying to think the key things we established in this scene Gina loves Porco Right That's it, I don't know He goes to They're talking about the curse

[01:00:39] This is the first time we start to talk about the curse They talk about the curse That he was once a man Curtis shoots him down Right? Because he's got the engine trouble Curtis is like, I got him He's dead Well, that's after this I guess that's

[01:00:53] But that's right after this Yeah There's nothing else here There's a rivalry I just like, I like Gina's restaurant I like this, like the movie stepping into this like Casablanca Yeah, that's the thing that's the sound It's just how European this is It is quite European

[01:01:06] That's what I want to talk about Most Miyazaki Everyone's being European Most Miyazaki movies have like a setting where you're like I could watch like a 200 episode TV show about this place Right You know, about Gina's cool fucking restaurant Yes About the spirited away bathhouse

[01:01:19] I don't know, whatever Right, you know, like there's some cool place Yes Um I wanna live here He's very good at making you want to be in an environment that he's created I would say I think the other thing that's established by the beginning too

[01:01:31] Is that everybody just has a plane Like there's so many scenes where people just sort of run into each other in the air Like it's traffic Yes And they're just having conversations Yeah, this is a great relationship That's how people interact in this movie They're flying planes

[01:01:44] Kind of world Yeah Um, yeah Uh, wanted to see a plane Oh yeah, there's that place late That part late When, um, what's your pants? The younger one Uh, Pio Pio Yeah Is like, uh, you know, come on You guys are seaplane pilots

[01:02:01] You gotta behave like seaplane pilots I'm like the honor among seaplane pilots She's a seaplane pilot a lot Yeah I was like, I guess seaplane pilots have their own code We all know that The camaraderie of seaplane They're like sea air cowboys Yes Right Yeah, exactly

[01:02:18] Um, but I think to Miyazaki right There's that the freedom of the air And the open ocean Mm-hmm But then also You open those planes up There's mechanics Metal There's fiddling There's so much fiddling There's like grease There's, you know, hard work

[01:02:33] There's some, there's like craft and care He loves planes Like he loves animation Where he's like Working on something intricately You know, and you have to get exactly right But he hides the It's just that contrast between the machinery Versus nature in this movie

[01:02:46] Whereas all the other Miyazaki movies feel like They hide the machinery Like all of the, the sort of metaphor Of like machinery And the effort that goes into making those movies Feels like that effort is so well hidden In something like Princess Mononoke

[01:03:00] You're saying other movies don't get into the guts In the same kind of way Yeah, this movie has guts Yeah, it has like the inner workings of things And I feel like even when Curtis shoots him out of the sky It is like

[01:03:11] There's always a moment in a Miyazaki movie Where something is just like So animated In such extreme detail Like the thing you can tell he spent like Eight months on a loan And for this movie it feels like that is When the plane gets shot down

[01:03:25] And you just see it fall apart All the pieces strip off And you're like seeing a plane get deconstructed In the sky in real time But then you also think of the people at Studio Ghibli Who had to like Animate all of that

[01:03:37] And you're like man, there's these people And then they Probably sucked for the rest When he goes to Piccolo And Piccolo is showing him the engine And he's like revved it to like And he's like Yeah, in the shed And he's like I'm like this is Miyazaki

[01:03:48] This is him And then detailing the shot So they're testing the engine in the shed And every single panel Has these very precise movements As it's blowing in the wind Like it must have taken like Three years to animate that one Thirty second bit of animation

[01:04:02] Yeah, I mean it's like The wood buckling In Castle in the Sky Oh, I love that He's very good at that There's always this kind of thing Where it's like something falls apart And you see Yes Well, hand drawn animation is over though So it isn't That's true

[01:04:19] On the other hand Photo realistic keyframe CGI Gives us the opportunity to see What a real lion would be like Saying I just can't wait to begin Can I give you my secret hope right now? Sure There's a part of me that thinks

[01:04:34] That Netflix is going to start announcing Hands on They're gonna be like We have an animated studio Right They have one Right, but like it'll be We're gonna do Disney shit They have been very vague about What they're doing But the person they hired to run it

[01:04:46] Is Glen Keen Oh, sure Right A legend And they like released a video Because you know Netflix has all these like Different Twitter accounts And different YouTube channels For different like genres Or subsections of what they do Sure Like Netflix is so fun Right, Netflix is a joke

[01:05:02] And right Right, all that sort of stuff Right They did a video for their animation Channel that was talking about Like what Netflix wants to do For animation How they want to be Like their own animation powerhouse Okay It's a lot of Glen Keen talking

[01:05:14] And other people talking About like the qualities they want to bring And it's a lot of videos of people drawing And obviously Even if you're doing CGI or whatever You still have to do the sort of Basic drafting, you know of Is it drawing like character modeling Or

[01:05:30] That's what's unclear I mean this is really like A video that's not going into details And I don't remember if they've announced anything But I kind of believe that like Netflix as they are trying to like Disrupt the industry by doing the things That other people aren't doing

[01:05:43] Making films about the types of people That aren't being made Or the genres that are sort of Dormant like the romantic comedy Or whatever That they're going to be like Here's our slate We're doing like four hand-drawn animated films I think they're not announcing them

[01:05:55] Because it takes years And Netflix likes announcing everything Very shortly before it comes out And they have the Selic movie Which is supposed to come out next year I think they're going to start Announcing a bunch of Classically hand-drawn films If they're smart That's what they do

[01:06:12] At a time where every other studio Is like we're done And you're feeling more and more Of a push from like the I don't know The intellectual community Yeah You know You can't with this die And that's also this weird thing That Netflix has done Where it's like

[01:06:28] We're going to gain legitimacy By going to the most sort of Artistic sort of That's always been their move Much like Amazon The corners that are seen as Uncommercial Right Right Is CG animation 3D in Japan Like is that taken off at all

[01:06:45] Like the sort of Pixar style You know I guess it's more expensive Yeah That's the thing I don't quite get about it In the US It just seems like Transitioning from the era I guess it's one thing to have digital Like 2D animation But yeah

[01:07:04] I think the weird historical trajectory Toward the most expensive Possible animation seems Counterintuitive to me I don't quite get it I'll say this It is easier And cheaper to make bad CGI It is also harder and more Expensive to make good CGI Yeah, yeah Right

[01:07:23] You can make the crayon movie Or Norma the North Or any of these bullshit things Where you're like What is this? Like if you have two sets In your animation Your performances are bad You can make a shitty 3D computer anime film faster Than a hand drawn film

[01:07:39] Because you don't have to draw Every single frame You have models that you can Just sort of reuse in a sloppy way But to do it well You need big Big lot infrastructure A lot of people Isn't saying because There are all these different departments

[01:07:52] That don't exist otherwise The texturing department And your lighting department You got a texture All these sorts of things But every other country Has I feel like moved to CGI I mean like I was in Barcelona recently And there was so much CGI shit In Spain

[01:08:11] Anytime we were turning on the TV I was surprised by the amount of like Completely native Spanish cartoon shows Or trailers for Spanish Like this is the third In this franchise Of beloved CGI Spanish CGI Movies I keep saying CGI CGI But I feel like

[01:08:29] At least what carries over here In any way you don't really see Japanese CGI Yeah I mean I think Japan's I think the way that anime has adapted To like digital 2D animation Is just more graceful than the way Other countries have adapted to like 3D post-vegetails animation

[01:08:48] I just don't know Cause I think China even has More CGI animation now Interesting, yeah I believe it Japan seems to have stayed pretty strong Obviously these movies are still popular In China as well Right That cross over Alright He got shut down He pretends he's dead

[01:09:08] He's sort of like fine You think you killed me, that's great I can lie low And also I'll let Curtis Like sell the legend He's gonna brag to everyone That he killed me Which gives me some time to lay low Because Porko It's the Harvey Dent thing

[01:09:21] It's the Harvey Dent arc Porko is a wanted man If they know Some of these shores that he's washing up on They're gonna apprehend him immediately So better for him to let everyone believe that he's dead And then not much happens Until the end

[01:09:36] Well, he needs to regroup He just like hanging with Piccolo He meets with you He at least needs to pick the play Excuse me, he meets a great friend No, he meets great people He's laying low though Because he doesn't have a plan The action is now basically

[01:09:47] Until the final duel Getting a lot of action But this is the thing I like about this movie It's not a long movie Once Theo gets introduced I was like, oh this movie's also kind of A true grit narrative Oh, she's Hailey Steinfeld She's a...

[01:10:01] And even the way it ends with the narration Which we'll get to It is this thing of like This is this man Who was like very tough to break through to Who taught her a lot of lessons Who she taught a lot And they were just together

[01:10:16] For this brief period of time That changed the rest of her life Right, right, right And she reminded him That he's not just a cursed big man as well Right? Yeah What? She kind of drew that out of it Yeah I don't know

[01:10:34] I think they're really nice friends And I also, I just like any story Where someone has to prove That they know what they're talking about like this Sure You know that he comes in and is like Where are your sons? Who's this funny little girl?

[01:10:47] He's a little retrograde Yeah Yeah But it is funny how like the beginning It's like the earliest minutes And the latest minutes of the movie are very action-y Like you said, after he gets shot down It's all of these scenes where he's like He's riding the plane

[01:11:00] Or he's riding the train He has to get the plane to the shop Him sitting on the train is pretty great That's the thing, it's like all of the I think all of that He's just like, front and dead, who cares? All of the stuff that's him

[01:11:10] Dealing with the fact that his plane Is fucked up These scenes, it's like Like I mentioned earlier Like I'm from Richmond And I think a lot about my own childhood Watching this movie because I grew up Outside of Richmond And my dad used to drag race Oh, really?

[01:11:25] He used to just work on his car all the time Sure And it's just sort of like The middle part of Porcaroso Is totally the vibe of just like Observing people who are really into their cars Yeah, you know And like drag racing, I imagine

[01:11:39] It's like your engine is what's most important Because like the car is not gonna You don't need a wall Well, my dad is a CTA Camaro It's very nice blue, nice paint job Wow But it's the You know, when I was a kid

[01:11:52] I didn't get it at all Because I fucking hated cars Because they were super loud Like, you know, like Racing is super loud I hate it when I was a kid too Yeah, too loud The culture of it I didn't get

[01:12:02] But then I watch a movie like this And I think because of how meticulously All of its animated Especially all of the sequences where Fio and all of the women And Porco are working on the plane And they're sort of animating The sense of assembly

[01:12:19] It's like, oh, I kinda get this Well, I think that's the thing It's like, that's Miyazaki Putting himself into the thing It's like when you find a field Where you can become obsessed Commit the rest of your life To having a complete understanding Of this thing

[01:12:34] And a complete mastery of this thing And when you're in it Even though it's difficult You enter this flow state Yeah, yeah You achieve this state of Zen Which, you know, it's like People who race they talk about that Anyone who has any sort of like

[01:12:49] You know, passion for anything That seems dangerous, you know When you watch like Free Solo And you're like, why the fuck would he do this And he's like, this is the one time I feel calm You know? I think, as you're saying

[01:13:02] This midsection of the movie is like This is a guy who doesn't really Know what to do with himself When he's not in a dog fight As much as Gina is like Why won't you accept that Even though he's so cool Right, yeah

[01:13:13] He's like, I mean, I'm a different kind of guy You know you're cool, right And he's like me, what do you mean I'm a pig Where's the fuck out of a trench coat And him just there on the phone, on the payphone

[01:13:23] God, yeah, also that old timey phone That old timey stuff here Very cool, very old timey But that's right, he's a guy where he's just like This is the one thing I understand Teo comes in and he's like You better not fuck this up

[01:13:37] I've been working with the same people forever I know Piccolo, I know his sons I can't take a risk on a grandchild You know? Because I need to get back up in the air And she's like, you're a sexist and I totally know what I'm doing

[01:13:51] Yeah, and also I am precocious She's very... She almost feels like when she's introduced Her energy just in terms of her animation Feels so different from all the other characters She sort of moves more fluidly And is like, what's going on here I'm gonna work on the plane

[01:14:04] Shut the fuck up, I got this Well also yeah, because everyone else is In this sort of like classic Hollywood There I say it because it's been on the bench for a while Patina You know, everyone else is giving these performances Patina Crackles to life

[01:14:20] Everyone else is giving these performances That could have been done by any classic 1940s Hollywood star And then she comes in and she's giving Like specifically like 80s, 90s movie energy She's a thoroughly modern character A film that is otherwise, yes A little classical Love that, that's true

[01:14:41] And she's also just a classic Miyazaki plucky heroine Where you're kind of like, oh you made a movie about boys And then she shows up and you're like, okay But that archetype doesn't exist in the type of movie

[01:14:53] That he is sort of referencing and using as a mood bull No, absolutely not It's also in this strict A boy version of it might Like a sort of like, hey mister You know, like that kind of kid It's also usually more of like a ragamuffin

[01:15:05] Yeah, a little ragamuffin Right But I think it's also this contrast With Porco as a character Because it's like Porco has two different pairs of glasses And he wears these trench coats And he sort of, you know He's nice but he sort of Closed off in a way

[01:15:21] And then you have Fio show up And her facial, like her eyes And specifically her eyebrows Have this very distinct expressiveness And so whenever they're in scenes together It just plays up that contrast Of like the kind of performance that Porco is giving

[01:15:38] Versus what energy Fio is channeling Yeah, eyes are the window to the soul Animators are like that's the whole key to the thing That's one of the reasons why Lion King fucking sucks Yeah The favorite Lion King And they make this conscious decision

[01:15:53] That it's like this guy's eyes are always going to be covered Yeah You know? Not because we're trying to like handicap This character's expressiveness Because this is a character who doesn't want anyone to see into his soul

[01:16:03] Like he's trying to keep all his emotions close to the chest And then like when you've reached a point with him Where you're, you see his human face Right And then he turns around and it's the pig again Yeah I prefer the pig He looks great Looks great

[01:16:19] Looks fucking awesome He's a pretty great pig Very handsome pig Yeah Like this style If he wanted to be in some Harle Hollywood movies Just the pig Yeah Like I'd be into it You know what I mean? Just him flashing the thumbs up With the pig face

[01:16:33] And it just Scarf All of that That's what we should do with photorealistic technology Make people look like pig men Not to keep on hitting on this like the fucking photoreal thing But it's like No, hit on it I feel like this is

[01:16:49] That's the Miyazaki thing though right? It's such a good test in it It's like one thing to accept that We don't do hand drawn animation anymore But I do think that Miyazaki Is one of the people who's going to make the strongest historical case for

[01:17:03] Listen, animation is a distinct thing And realism is sort of an opponent of Yes The stuff you're trying to accomplish in animated cinema Right I just feel like And this gets back to the cat's trailer as well But it's like this thing of

[01:17:16] Like if you're going to use CGI Use it to make things that are like Against the laws of nature That could not exist Right, right Like tinted And put them in Do things with the camera that are not possible Things like that Right, right

[01:17:30] Stylize people's faces in a way that like doesn't make sense Or like they should never make a live action Porkarosa But if they did It's not like I'm against the concept of Porkarosa being photo real Because that would be in juxtaposition to

[01:17:41] Real human beings in front of a camera Right Porkarosa It's perfect Now he's saying for a long time that he was going to make a sequel Did he? And they wrote a script And then let me get this excerpt Yes, yes, I'll find it I'll find it Okay

[01:17:59] He wrote a script Porkarosa the last sortie That would be set during the Spanish Civil War So Porkarosa would be much older Miyazaki was like It'll be about like me being old You know, that's like my angle And he wanted He wrote some Yonobashi

[01:18:19] The guy who made like the sequel World of Ariaddi And when Marnie was there Right, he was saying he wasn't going to direct it I imagine And now that Ghibli is like falling apart Like who knows But now it's sort of back together again

[01:18:31] Well, but no, but that guy went off to do Create Studio Ponoke Which is sort of like trying to rise from the ashes Of Ghibli You made Mary and the Witch's Flower What? I didn't make it myself No, sure, I don't know It's one of those things

[01:18:43] He's busy making whatever crazy shit he's making right now It's one of those things like Old Fink How do you live? Old Fink The Klon Brothers have always said like When we're older we want to come back And do Old Fink with the Thoreau

[01:18:55] You're not sure if that's a joke or not Right And you're not sure if that's the best idea Or the worst idea Yeah If it's better to leave well enough in the loan Or if it'd be like the most triumphant thing They seem to generally know

[01:19:08] Like, you know what I mean? Because sometimes they'd be like Yeah, we're going to do a Jesus spin-off From Big Lebowski And then they just And then eventually it's like Oh, someone, Thoreau's kind of making that And they were clearly like Yeah, you know what

[01:19:20] If you want to do it, that's fine Like, we're probably not going to do it Which was apparently the exact same attitude They had with Fargo Like people were like This is such a big deal that Like the Coens blessed Fargo Right And apparently their attitude is like

[01:19:32] As long as you don't step on our shit It's fine, you can do whatever you want Yeah, it's like, okay Yeah We just don't want to do that Right God, Fargo's so bad That's good, sure What do you think about Fargo? I've never watched it

[01:19:43] I've never watched it Season one, season two, great So what season one, season two What season is it? So you only hated season three That's not true You hated season one, season two When they were on But three was kind of like

[01:19:54] I was like, Jesus, the earlier ones Were actually like something I haven't seen it for a long time You queer eye, great Makes you cry every time Yeah, that's a good share That is TV corner Here we go Love queer eye I love queer eye

[01:20:07] I mean, queer eye is trying to get the water Right, like that's the whole They've got it down to their like Mission, right Yeah, right I resisted That band teacher episode lead off Ugh I haven't watched the new ones yet I resisted watching it for a while

[01:20:18] I got into it once my back was injured And I started watching a lot of shows That I wouldn't usually watch I resisted watching it for a while Because it feels like an attack on my lifestyle Any show where people improve themselves Or others Yeah

[01:20:32] You're like, fuck you What do you think you're doing over there? You're saying I should wash my clothes? I feel like the good antidote to that I think that the two queer eye guys Who are really good antidotes to that Sort of concern are Karamo

[01:20:49] Karamo's the best one And Anthony Because they're both kind of incompetent Especially Karamo Because if you think for like five seconds About what Karamo's role in Queer Eyes It's like occasionally say something About an album that came out recently And then just sort of drift away Culture Yeah

[01:21:06] And meanwhile the other guy has to build a house Or something Yeah, it's like Bobby's building a house In Karamo's like Did you hear the new Ariana Grande album? It's like what the fuck is your contribution buddy? The original crew I had that too, I had Jay

[01:21:20] You really want a strong handshake When you walk into a room But here's my take He handles the sensitive conversations That's his role Because everyone comes with their personal baggage And he is always the one to sort of address it And make them feel more comfortable with it

[01:21:34] My take So in the original the joke was like Jay is completely pointless He does nothing Like the culture life's opposition is silly And then like food, like Ted Allen Like that's the best one Obviously Ted was the best of the original Fab Five

[01:21:46] I mean there's no question This one, Anthony is a cute boy All he can do is really slice fruits and vegetables Right, isn't Anthony just like I don't know if he put like avocados in a blender No, but I think that's crazy though Because you just show it

[01:21:59] People how to sort of take a little bit of control Of like their daily things I don't want to give them things that they can't replicate I want to give them stuff that you can actually do That's how you make pozole

[01:22:09] Wait, was he going to teach me to make pozole? But then the thing about Karamo that he's really smart Is like no what he's actually doing So he's just being a really good friend But sometimes he's not Sometimes he's just like a web headline

[01:22:21] Just walks into an episode of television And it's about like When he's good though When he's good though, he sort of burrows in And he's like He does have great moments I do think that there are some episodes where there are great Karamo JVN is a

[01:22:36] He's a national treasure And that's what we should do a movie about Is finding JVN He's gone missing? Yeah With Pig? Yeah I don't know what any of you guys are talking about Remember Ted Alan Ted Allen, he rules Remember Ted the teddy bear?

[01:22:52] Uh, you mean just like a teddy bear? No, Ted, America's favorite movie star Oh, no I don't Ted fucks He literally We're not talking about the parsnip again Yeah, do you know when you said that I was like, I guess I'd forgot I guess it's gone

[01:23:09] It haunts me It burns in my memory Every time I close my eyes I see Ted fucking a woman with a parsnip Yeah, but the thing about all that is Seth MacFarlane even is sort of like Yeah, I don't know

[01:23:20] I kind of just want to make my space My sincere Star Trek show now Yeah You know, like, yeah, calm I get it Everyone was into that for a while But I feel like Now I'm just doing the Orville on Hulu

[01:23:31] It's just crazy how big the first Ted was We talked about this on the bucket On this bucket? Yes Seth MacFarlane voices Curtis That could be a good alternate casting If they do the porkarosses Well, because Seth MacFarlane does have that I'm Sinatra reborn Like that vibe, right?

[01:23:49] God, that's... Of all of Seth MacFarlane's vibes My knee-bitch are bad That's one of the worst Like, I'm a song and dance man at heart It's uncanny or... I don't know, it's something about it That feels like no one asked for this

[01:24:03] Do you know what his album, a standard is called? Maybe he's made several now I forget, it's on the tip of my tongue too Music is better than words Hey I believe it's the title Damn I think that's what it's called God, you know how rich he is

[01:24:17] You're correct Yeah Do you know how rich he is? Can I take a guess? Okay 821 million This says 200 million Maybe it's... Seems low Yeah He gave him like Oprah's income I thought he had like Oprah income There was someone I loved I would have guessed higher than 200

[01:24:39] Yeah, anyway Well Whatever He also made an album called Holiday for Swing Third studio album, No One Ever Tells You He's smoking a cigarette Fourth album, in full swing I guess 821 is a little absurd It's pretty high That's sort of like Spielberg number

[01:24:55] Yeah, but he's been going hard Maybe Fox fucked him on American Dad Or something, I don't know We done talking about Poca Rosa? No, we gotta talk more about Poca Rosa This is another thing I like Okay, what's another thing you like?

[01:25:08] I like the Curtis is this like Hollywood leading man type Sure Especially of that era Clearly has the insecurity about the fact he's not actually a tough guy Right It's like this actor-action star kind of thing that goes back to like, you know

[01:25:24] John Wayne not serving in the war Sure He can't back up his... Right That like, he wants to be a movie star and be the president He wants to have these performative roles but he hates that Gina likes a fucking pig

[01:25:40] More than him because he actually gets his hands dirty She's chill about it though Yeah Like for the whole movie She's incredibly chill for the entire film Yeah, yeah I like the pig Does you think that Porco's chill because he's drinking wine and smoking all the time

[01:25:53] But he is over committed Gina just gives no fucks through this entire movie And let's talk about her beautiful dream Curtis makes the proposal to her and she's like, look, I gotta be honest I made a promise to myself There's one man I love

[01:26:07] and he only visits me at night at my restaurant but if he ever comes here and on his plane when I'm in my garden I'll know And I can't leave behind the chance of that happening Pretty devastating for Curtis, honestly Yeah

[01:26:24] Where she's like, not only am I rejecting you but I've pinned my hopes on a pig visiting me when I'm in my garden And then similarly devastating, he flies by Yeah Like right when she's saying that, oh my God Here he is, here he is

[01:26:38] Here's happening and he's gone And I love that the movie ends on the note of like I'm not gonna tell you if you ever showed up That was our little secret I became friends with Gina for the rest of my life

[01:26:49] Porco and I, we kind of lost touch I'm not gonna tell you if you showed up there or not That felt very true grit to me When she shows up and they're like, yeah, he just died

[01:27:01] And then the end of true grit is just her walking through the sanitary and she's like, well, I'm comes for us all Yup Credit Nasterpiece, by the way Yeah Underrated, people are now putting into their tops of the 2010s list Not a crazy movie

[01:27:15] It's a great movie, have you seen True Grit? Yes I know Justin that you rarely watch movies I've seen like 13 movies in my life Really? Yeah, you're not a big movie watch Skyfall You love Skyfall You're more of a TV guy No You like anime?

[01:27:29] Yeah, I like anime and I play video games And you like Miltank? Oh yeah, I have a Miltank shirt on What is Miltank? A Pokemon Oh, that's a Pokemon? It's a Pokemon Which generation? Gold, Silver or something? Yeah, second generation It's a big cow Okay

[01:27:44] It's like a shady video game A shady video game? Like about a shady guy? Getting into video games A shady guy A shitty or shady? Shady It could be shitty too I'll tell you what I'll tell you the teens that play Rainbow Six Siege or shady

[01:27:58] Well, but that's You're talking more about the player Yeah Ben doesn't want to hate the player He wants to hate the game I don't know what you mean by shady He wants a game about a guy who's like kind of scummy And is kind of like

[01:28:08] You want like a cane and lynch or something Yeah, what's like the modern day Max Payne? Oh man, Max Payne A game where you have to virtually take pills You know, that's what that means Yeah I don't know I got nothing

[01:28:23] It's like, Canaan Lynch is like the last thing I can think of like that Oh, oh And it's like Grand Theft Auto is not even like that anymore Ben, I got an answer for you Lego Pirates of the Caribbean Oh, shit A lot of scoundrels in that one

[01:28:36] I love scoundles Kind of the dirtiest of the Lego games A bunch of Scallywags and scoff laws What if they do like Lego body heat They start just making like full on sex noir movies I'd love nothing more Lego, what's it called? The last seduction

[01:28:56] I would love if they did like You know, of course we did Lego Star Wars We went through all those films We did Lego Indiana Jones We went through all those films We thought it was time we finally cover the rest of the Lawrence Kasdan Exactly right

[01:29:09] This is Lego Kasdan Lego Silverado There's a Silverado level Lego Big Chill Big Chill Mumford Lego Mumford Lego Dreamcatcher Lego Long Time Companion I would love a Lego figurine of Morgan Freeman and Dreamcatcher End of a shit weasel

[01:29:26] I don't know if you could fit the eyebrows on a Lego head No, you need to make the head bigger There's only one Or like tough them out Sure Porko Apart from before the duel What else do we have? He recalls his pig transformation In the Adriatic

[01:29:45] Wait, we gotta talk about this scene I love the MCU together I'm trying to... Oh, this scene Yes, it was explanation The flashback Human man with a beautiful mustache We love him All of his friends get shot then Yes He's freaking out It's during World War One

[01:30:01] He goes up and up and up and up He sees his friends Yeah Going up Yeah He sees like a big band of shimmery Planes in the sky Yeah But he... Well, that's the thing He's kind of very like Powell and Pressburger

[01:30:14] But he sort of blacks out for a moment So he doesn't know if he's hallucinating If he's died If he's watching them go to heaven Yeah But he's entered some different plane Even the part where you get shot Even the part where the planes are getting shot down

[01:30:26] though feels like a hallucination Because it doesn't feel like It's not like it's a super straightforward Like war scene or something like that Right It almost feels like they're flying in this Artistic formation Yeah And then the planes just start getting shot down It's like a busly Berkeley

[01:30:38] Like it looks like a water number Yeah Like diving down And then it just becomes a nightmare In this very weird way Right But there is that sense that right He like glimpsed the other side Maybe and like Something like that happened

[01:30:52] But also that so much of this is Tied to this sort of shame Of a Gina's first husband Yes Getting shot down That he lived That is part of Gina's story Where she's like Look, if I'm in love with pilots They're all dead Right This guy died there

[01:31:08] That guy died there But what can I do He has a survivor guilt That is almost greater than the fact The shame over him being a pig Right But they're probably tied together Totally Yeah And when he tells that story She sees his human face for a second

[01:31:22] Then he a pig again And then come on, right? Doesn't Curtis show up? Well the plane's ready The pirates show up The plane's ready Although it's like not contested Yeah You know, it's a little way tricky Well take off after they first finish the plane

[01:31:37] When they're flying on the water And like Theo is built in the compartment So that she can fly in Porco's plane earlier Like that's a beautiful sequence to me I love him saying You can't get my plane Even if your butt is small

[01:31:50] There is a lot of butt talk A lot of butt talk She's like, are you kidding me? My butt's so small Like you got the best butt you ever For planes you ever heard about He's got a pig butt Yeah They have very different Right

[01:32:03] He's not one to criticize butts really No Yeah, he is a pig That pork butt could go for pretty penny High end restaurant But one of my favorite visuals in the entire movie Is all of the sea pirates Sea sky pirates

[01:32:20] Coming out of the little tent on the beach Yes, the ambush Stuffed in like a clown car And then they all just like spill out We talked about it in Castle of the Sky But like he's very good at large adult sons Like and the pirates are

[01:32:32] In both cases large adult sons Yeah Adults in Miyazaki movies Are always like the most fascinating thing Yeah Because it feels like a referendum on adults As a class of humans They're stupid Yeah, he's really nice I mean like his dads We talk in Totoro and like

[01:32:47] His dad's usually dweebs Yeah Like the dad is kind of like Hey man whatever I think this movie gets the closest though to being like Adults suck but also I don't know Pork Arosa feels like it's for once Miyazaki trying to sell

[01:33:00] Guess kids or adults on the idea of like Adults can have adventures too I guess Right Because otherwise it's always kids It's usually strange monsters in a forest This is the thing I like about the Laika movies a lot Sounds pretty fucking cool

[01:33:12] I know I compare Miyazaki to Laika And Laika and Miyazaki before in this mini series But Save for Missing Link Which is the one I don't like Which is the one? Folks he didn't like it Missing Link I don't like

[01:33:22] But I think I realize one of the reasons I don't like it Is that it doesn't have a child protagonist And the Laika films are really good on that Miyazaki level Of like these adults have gotten so caught up In all this bullshit that doesn't matter

[01:33:38] That they're sort of like oblivious to what's really going on Yeah, Link is kind of that character Missing Link Like yes Like he's the closest to your child protagonist Right But I don't like that he isn't the audience to get character That the audience to get character

[01:33:54] You don't even talk 40 minutes about it I know your problem is the Jack-Win character It's terrible It's not great Yeah It's not great It's like what if someone was the worst Yeah, what if someone was an asshole Right

[01:34:04] And you're like is he gonna learn not to be an asshole And they're like yeah Like right at the end That's like five minutes Right, yeah, yeah I didn't love that one either I think you genuinely disliked it where I was like It's okay

[01:34:15] I hold the missus eye regard It looks great I hold the missus eye Do you like the like of movies? Coraline Yeah, I've never seen Coraline Paranormal You'd like Coraline I don't have a take You haven't seen Paranormal No Paranormal might show up a bunch

[01:34:30] Name the other ones Keep going My best of the decade I've seen at least one of these Yeah, I took a swing at a decade list That's you know I can tweak that I'm gonna take a couple swings It was some other like Kubo

[01:34:41] Kubo I feel 50-50 on Kubo Weirdly I really loved the voice performances in Kubo But it sucks that they're all white people Yeah, I still like the performances though I don't know I like the performances I like the style Something about that movie

[01:34:56] Didn't totally come together for me Uh-huh I respect it more than I enjoyed it Except for the voice performances Which I thought were fun And then box trolls I assume you haven't seen You should check out Paranormal Paranormal and Fox Paranormal I've seen Skyfall Kubo Porcoroso Melancholia

[01:35:18] I don't know It's like four of my 12 movies That I've ever seen These are all good movies Lucy Lose another masterpiece made by sex criminal Yep Yep Katie just asked me for the Jackson Lights, Camera, Jackson For a smart review

[01:35:35] I had to send it to her right away Okay, here we go You sent me that Brady Bunch thing It took me like 20 minutes To realize that's the Brady Bunch house Yes He's a weird guy Let's Camera, Jackson Posted a video of himself Walking down the street

[01:35:48] And singing Sunshine Day And then at the end The camera whipped pants to reveal That he is in front of the house From the breeze But it doesn't really You're like, oh, okay It's like behind a wall Yes And it's like for sale

[01:36:03] I just wanted to do more musical numbers Oh, is that what you want him to do? Of course he does his 12 Films to Info Wars Yeah, right It could happen as a short watch Do you like Lights, Camera, Jackson? No, but I do like the idea

[01:36:19] Of Lights, Camera, Jackson Moving to Info Wars No problem, I like that I actually really like that I like if Lights, Camera, Jackson Was the completely apolitical Movie critic Like Alex Jones was like And here with another review Is Lights, Camera, Jackson That's something you get

[01:36:35] Lights, Camera, Jackson Like Anthony Fantano You can really put a lot of You can actually build Info Wars Into like a modern critical powerhouse Of a sort You can do it You can do it If Alex Jones doesn't change at all The Cobblest

[01:36:50] Everyone else he has around him Is like a broadcasty Sort of like pro Right, and he's like I give Stuber three bags of popcorn Whatever he does If you're looking for a fun ride In the theaters this summer You could do worse Than hitching a ride with Stuber

[01:37:05] But then once in a while A book smart comes along where he's like What? It's literally like He's trying to shift without pushing down the clutch You know what I mean? Like he's like These are teenagers? I don't think so And then he has to like go

[01:37:26] Like I don't know Go back to his Borg cube for a day To recharge or whatever Lights, Camera, Jackson does But these teens break all the rules Like literally I say cuff him His written review of Book Smart is like This is Sinatra now, what happened here?

[01:37:41] Oh man, what's Sinatra and Lights today? It's review of Book Smart, his written review It's just like him being like Teens don't behave this way Outrageous They're dishonest They don't listen to a thing Their teachers tell them to do Let me find the actual one

[01:37:57] Did you see Book Smart? The last movie I saw with you was Power Rangers Oh yeah, that's a great movie Yeah, the last movie I saw at a theater Had to be First Man Which I liked a lot Wow, so you see like one movie here

[01:38:13] Here we go The entire narrative revolves around the fact That Amy and Molly don't know the locations Of the night's hot party We're supposed to believe these two classmates Who are apparently intelligent young women They can't find out where this huge party is Utterly ridiculous

[01:38:33] Well, you know, Light says the guy who always knows where the party's at though That's the thing where he's like He's never I was aware of every party Right No one ever definitely didn't tell me where a party was I chose to abstain

[01:38:45] The kids are, big surprise, a stereotypical bunch of modern high school misfits Instead of getting ready for college This cast looks like they should be wrapping up grad school Bum bum bum bum bum bum He really did not He gave me an F

[01:39:04] What's his time of the year? Do we know this year? I feel like I don't know His only A listed right now is for Wild Rose Which is a good movie That is a good movie Love that movie Did you see it? Yeah, I loved it

[01:39:18] Isn't it fucking great? Oh my god, if I didn't know you saw it I'm excited It's really good It's so good It's really good I've been listening to Soundtrack College I didn't realize Mary Steenberg should have wrote that song She wrote the fucking song Mary Steenberg

[01:39:29] She just woke up one day and was like I can write country music now And wrote down a song Famous people are weird Yeah, yeah She's bizarre Yeah But Wild Rose, have you seen Wild Rose? Ben This lady Okay

[01:39:42] Is a woman from Glasgow who gets out of jail She gets out of jail For smuggling heroin She's a single mom with two kids She gets out of jail She lives in Scotland in Glasgow She's real Wild Working as a cleaning lady

[01:39:54] But all she wants to do is get to Nashville And sing country music Cool Yeah, she just wants to fucking honky ton Three cards in the truth It's so bad And she has that kind of She has that Scottish accent It's my bad

[01:40:06] And then like when she gets on stage She sounds like Miranda Lambert or what You know what I mean? Like she just has this like incredible voice Fucking One of those movies where I went to the screening Being like, I don't know Yeah

[01:40:17] I mean I guess this is a movie I know nothing about it And like two minutes in I was like Yep Yep You got me Yep, yep I'm into this Right in the corner Yep And look Encourage people to see it Don't want to spoil it

[01:40:30] But the last like 20 minutes Is where I went from being like This is very effective to being like This movie's really fucking smart I agree It does some things that are Not like pointedly Not manipulative Agreed That are very very emotionally intelligent

[01:40:45] He didn't like the dead don't die either Adam Driver repeatedly says the line This is gonna end badly Not only does it end badly But it begins badly And the middle is even worse I mean Wow He did He's vicious

[01:40:58] You gotta give him some points for some killer dunks thing Rack attacks Yeah He's on fire Quicker Rasa, come on They have the big duel They do have a big... They have a very prolonged... It's insane It's also bizarre I think it's pretty funny I think it's pretty...

[01:41:18] It is making fun of men Yeah, it's totally that But it's so... It goes hard It goes hard Well the image of them are All their faces all like swollen after they've been That's what I love The chest fights and the back They fight in the sky

[01:41:32] It comes back down to the good They're fighting on the shore This is after they've been shamed Into like honorable combat by You know Bia being like You're a sea plane pirate You're a sea plane whatever Whatever They have a sea plane pirate

[01:41:47] They get all the pirates at this point Have just given up on pirate They're just sort of They're wearing normal clothes And they're like This is crazy This is crazy These guys fighting I love how brutal the fist fight is Because it's not like a scuffle

[01:41:58] It's like a gentleman's fist fight The moment when Bia pulls up the chair To be the corner coach for Porco It's so great But it is like Marquess of Queensbury Like I suck you in the face And then you take a moment Right, you prepare your one punch

[01:42:14] Like there's like a real like give and take But also their faces just get like so grotesque looking There's no music And it's just the sounds of like their faces smushing Right, when she corner mans him It's like the fucking 10 comedy points And then what's the way that

[01:42:31] He finally gets a... He's like by the way Fucking Gina likes you You gotta pass, you can't have both women Ben, you're a boxer It's true Porco's face turns red What do you think of that? A punchin The fighting scene The fighting is fun

[01:42:47] I mean they show cartoons Actually take punches which is rare Usually they're unaffected or they... It's like a dust cloud sort of like a scourmage Yeah, dust cloud scourmage This is like real like punchin And bruising and swelling I love a dust cloud And then of course

[01:43:07] And I love a gentleman's fight Right He goes red He freezes Gets the punch on him And then Porco goes down But it's right after the bells rang Doesn't count as the imaginary And the water's all shallow Which I like that too Gina shows up In a plane

[01:43:28] Just like Nacho Lillie She just sort of lands the plane And is like oh it's going on She's like applied the Italian Air Force On route They're trying to catch you Porco Trying to make some prosciutto They say that in the boxing match

[01:43:40] He's like I'm gonna turn you into prosciutto Hey, I need it Hey You got this guy You need him If I went to the butcher If I went to the butcher And they were like And like you know looked around I got something in the back

[01:43:53] And they pull out like a platter of prosciutto I'm like oh it looks nice And they're like Porco ross I'd be like alright sure How much? 20 bucks a pound Let's do it Okay if it was the finest looking prosciutto You've ever seen

[01:44:05] But it had goggles and a mustache So you couldn't look at it without You can remove them both But you have to go through the effort Of removing them and thinking about who you're eating How much? Yeah but the meat because he drinks so much wine

[01:44:16] Throughout the movie It's like that meat is gonna be really rich Oh boy I love it I would never eat a meat That's one of my favorite Simpsons Oh he smokes though So that's the other thing It's like the wine but then he smokes a lot That's true

[01:44:31] Cigars though Yeah what if that's how you make A nice flavor A nice taste in animal Is like you got the farm guy Who's like I only let them smoke the finest cuban All these pigs smoking cigars It's a smoked ham Yeah my foie gras

[01:44:44] The goose smokes three cubans a day What was I gonna say? Pork or rosa Oh no yeah the Simpsons joke That's one of my favorite late Simpsons jokes Is Homer eating the lobster that is his pat Where he's like it's so good You don't remember that?

[01:45:00] Is it snappy? It's not snappy but it's something like that Yeah I know what you're talking about I think that episode's really funny Pinchy That's a better And remember how he kills pinchy? No how's it called? He gives him a hot bath He's like oh he's upstairs

[01:45:22] I wanted to draw him a bath after a log day And then Marge is like Homer And then it cuts to him like eating pinchy After a long time Good guy Sorry Who don't do enough Simpsons jokes on this

[01:45:40] This whole podcast should just be us remembering bits from the Simpsons Yeah honey just the money mill Honey do is the money mill What if we go back to it being a podcast about how there was only ever nine seasons of the Simpsons Oh sure We pretend

[01:45:57] There's no bit to that That's just a nice world I know Like the whole point of the Phantom Menace being the only movie is like that's kind of a weird world The Simpsons ending with season 10 is just a nice world What God wanted

[01:46:11] What season are they on now? Well Simpsons starts the year I'm born so I believe they're on season 30 or 31 Season 30 just ended Yeah so 31 is starting up Right around the time this episode is traffic That's insane Wow Okay cool Yeah too much

[01:46:30] How many episodes are there in total? Can I take a look? 662 Thank you for letting me guess Sorry The final the ending is this beautiful like Theo voiceover where it's like this is her story This is her story now she gets authorship of it

[01:46:43] This becomes about this brief moment she had with this crazy pig man I love that she tells us that she gets a long lasting friendship with Gina out of it Right because he kind of hands her over to Gina He's like you deal with this

[01:46:56] You go with her but then she's like we've remained friends for a very long time I took over Piccolo Yup What's it called Piccolo Aviation or whatever the name of the company is And she's like and Gina and I had a great relationship

[01:47:08] And I'm not gonna tell you what happened with Rosa She showed up when she was in the garden This is for us to know this is my story I think the problem though Theo's kind of papering over something which is she takes over Piccolo

[01:47:19] They live in Italy and then eventually World War II happens So Theo makes a killing off of making airplanes for the Italian guy That's what the wind rises about right? You know yeah but it's just

[01:47:32] He's like I just love planes I didn't realize they were gonna use to drop bombs on Pearl Harbor What if the Porco or also sequel is he comes back and he's like Let's fucking the flag Let's like Let's kill the Nazis Right what if it's like a vigilante

[01:47:50] You know Well the sequel is Spanish Civil War though so it's pre-World War II Oh that's okay And he is again finding fascists Yeah I assume he's not So they get off into Franco I choose to believe What if Porco has to fight Theo

[01:48:01] What if Theo has like this airplane She has this empire No You know I like this idea that it's the Spanish Civil War Justin you're dark I like the idea it's the Spanish Civil War

[01:48:13] And now I'm realizing what I want is to believe that all the characters died right before Hitler took power They all just had nice peaceful deaths Right they all just like Lean back in there with the magazine on their face and that was it

[01:48:26] Yeah they overdosed on relaxation and contentment That's the way to go Okay can I do When you're 800 years old Can I do this box office game with the tough films in Japan What is the release? Do you have some American box office? Oh it's like 2018 the re-release

[01:48:39] I mean I have that if you want it The numbers I assume are not I don't know Wait what number sorry I mean it came out in 92 that's an actual release date

[01:48:49] I mean if you want to guess the number one film which is a sequel in which the character knows that these are in a movie Go right ahead That holds him Correct and you know number two film is

[01:48:58] You know masterpiece about a big blue, a big purple man It's not a masterpiece It's a pretty good movie Big purple guy Big purple guy Avengers and a fatty Yeah right and then number three is a masterpiece about Reading books It's not a book club Book club

[01:49:19] An actual masterpiece Number four is a movie I remember Lebron Bergen Getting Buckets Oh number four is a Ben Falcone film So you know it's number one in most people's years Right but which one Life the Party And then number five was What's this one again?

[01:49:39] Oh it's where payback was a mother Peppermint No but That kind of movie Sure Is it more serious Or more comedic More serious And payback is a mother Payback is a mother in this film The woman getting payback is a mother Yeah sure that's the take away

[01:49:58] That's the take Yeah Yeah It's like peppermint Yeah An actress you really like I think Do you know this movie? Actress I really like You know this movie? Maybe not Take the guess No you take No cause it's like It's the only one that I Almost saw

[01:50:18] I haven't seen any of the movies in question You almost saw this one Do you think I've seen it? No I don't think so But it is an actress I really like I think so I told her I mentioned her name at the basketball episode

[01:50:30] And you got really excited Oh this movie is bad Oh is it bad Breaking in Yeah this movie should be great Right but it's not good It's one of the most disappointing films The last five years Along with that Terajie movie You didn't like either Proud Mary Yeah

[01:50:43] Both of them are just like This is right there And the actresses are really locked in In the movies of fucking mass Breaking in directed by James McTig Yup who I sat next to At dinner one Breaking in is a very bad film Okay Top 10 highest grossing films

[01:51:00] In the history of Japan At a point in time Not so in general, not like animation Just in general American and Japanese releases There's only one that you will not be able to get There is one that is a Japanese film That I imagine you haven't heard of

[01:51:18] Say it It's number eight It's called Bayside Shakedown 2 Sounds great though Ponyo is number 11 It just recently got pushed out Very rude Or it got pushed out in 2016 But now guess the top 10 Highest grossing films in the history of Japan It is one, two, three, four

[01:51:39] Five Japanese films Five American films I'll tell you the nationality of each one Before you guess And I've given you number eight Bayside Shakedown 2 Number ten is an American film Number ten is? Number ten is an American film It grossed 15.60 billion yen Is your name on this list?

[01:51:58] My name? No, your name The movie your name It is Which number? Four Hell yeah I love your name I feel like we should just try To throw shit at the wall No, just see if we can get any Sort of like a classic elimination style

[01:52:14] Okay, so let's do that Now we have four and eight You have four and eight Alright, spirit it away Is number one still That is incredible Number one Do you really re-release it sometimes? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know I'm looking at this number here

[01:52:29] And it feels like Maybe that's just the number Because nothing has come close to it There is one film that has made Spirit or Away is at 30 yen 30 billion yen 30 billion yen The number two film with 26 billion yen Avatar No Is it on the top ten?

[01:52:50] It is, but it's ten What's interesting is after I looked at this list I was going down a rabbit hole Of other countries' top ten highest-grossing films Almost all of them have Avatar in the top three Right Like in like the UK and France

[01:53:02] But for some reason the Avatar didn't hit quite as big Ten And it's not that it got replaced By more recent films You know? So Ponio's number eleven Avatar's number ten Bayside Shakedown's number eight Spirit or Away is number one There are three

[01:53:18] And your name is number four Oh, your name is number four Titanic It did 25 Titanic is number two Yeah So Spirited 30 Titanic 26 Your name 25 There's one other film with Essentially 25.5 25.4 American or Japanese It's an American film It's the most recent film to crack the list

[01:53:38] It's the only American film From this decade to crack the list What's interesting here is There's a lot more staying power Than in the American top ten The Kitsun Rotate Because this list is like 2001, 97 2014, 2016 01, 04, 97 03, 02 09 2014 Release 25 0.48 billion yen It's the third highest-grossing film In the history of Japan

[01:54:09] Any other clues? It is the only American animated film To make the list Ohhhh American animated Spirit away is number one Titanic is number two American animated The third highest-grossing film In the history of Japan Is an American animated film The only American animated film

[01:54:28] To seem to permeate the culture Because I'm even looking down here The next highest-grossing American animated film Is number 23 Is finding Nemo And then you have to go down to 28 Is Toy Story 3 Wally's before then Is it a Pixar movie? It is not Damn, wow I don't know

[01:54:52] I mean, do you want to throw out some other guesses For the other spots? We've got an avatar Yeah And I'll give you a hint There are three Miyazaki's And you've only guessed one of them We only guess Spirited Away Howl is Howl in there

[01:55:04] Correct is number six With 19.6 billion yen Yeah, and that's a movie About a moving castle It's a motor-o Nope No, the earlier ones are less They were more like video-hip So I'm going to guess The other one is Mononoke Correct 19.3 Howl's Moving Castle

[01:55:24] And Mononoke very close to each other Six and seven on the list So how many left? We've got this American animated movie to go I'm just realizing Mononoke would have been the number two film At the time with Titanic Yes, Mononoke was

[01:55:37] Right, and then these other things that come Above it have been released since Spirit Away number one Titanic number two Your name number four Howl's Moving Castle six Mononoke seven In case I take down to number eight Avatar 10 Right You're missing the American animated film

[01:55:54] Which goes 25 billion yen And you're missing the five And the nine slots, I will say Are both from the same franchise They're two American films from the same franchise Not a lot of clues here Okay, you want more clues?

[01:56:11] I mean three I feel like I've given you so many clues It's a 2014 animated film That is not from Pixar It's huge, it was huge everywhere It's not like it overperformed here Yeah I know, I'm trying to remember It's some blind spot that I'm like

[01:56:25] It's a massive blind spot is one of the movies That has had the greatest cultural impact Of the last ten years, correct Frozen? It's frozen Frozen is the third highest-grossing film In the history of Japan I was getting lost in like DreamWorks

[01:56:36] And I forgot about regular old Disney And it's also when you say animated I'm thinking of animated and not CGI Right, artificial intelligence Yeah, it's the only computer generated movie And then there are two films from the same franchise What is interesting to me

[01:56:51] Is that they are the first two films of that franchise So is it Avengers and Ultron? It's Iron Man No, no, and it's not It's truly the first two films of the franchise Oh okay It's not like Avengers is like a sub thing Yeah Because especially overseas

[01:57:10] Most franchises built The overseas market built And this is two movies the franchise peaked I mean it's literally This is fascinating because Number five all time Japan Is the first film in the series Number nine all time Japan Is the second film in the series Spider-Man?

[01:57:27] Number 13 is the third film in the series Which underperformed everywhere else Oh And then number 23 is the fourth film Like each of them Okay, okay Did less Whereas in the states they pretty much grew There are two films in a long franchise That has since ended Ex-Men Definitively

[01:57:46] Definitively And they have been trying to do other shit around it It's not like that So like they're like Can we do other stuff in other mediums? Can we make movies that are sort of connected? Batman But aren't really the same thing

[01:58:00] They're trying to keep the sanctity of the movies But I feel like everyone feels like It's a matter of time until They bring the original actors back And do a new film Oh That feels like the thing where everyone's like Waiting and they're like

[01:58:14] They're gonna be a little bit older What is that? To bring them back and do it What is that? No, don't do it yet The first two films I mean I'll give you the biggest clue They're from 2001 and 2002 They come out in successive years And they're huge

[01:58:31] One makes 20 billion yen One makes 17 billion yen Yep Very Potter Never would have gone there Philosopher's Stone is the fifth Highest Grossing film in the history of Japan Chamber of Secrets is nine Chamber of Secrets Like the one that everyone's like Oh yeah, I guess so

[01:58:45] Now let me throw out some other crazy stats Last Samurai The 12th highest grossing film in the history of Japan Armageddon Tied for 13 with E.T. and Harry Potter Deserves it Armageddon deserves it The 16th highest grossing film In the history of Japan Right

[01:59:02] And far and away the most recent film to appear on this list Ridley Scott's A Good Year I knew that one Oh he mean Rhapsody Yeah Boy Oh boy And then you get into like Jurassic Park Phantom Manus Wind Rises 21 is Alice in Wonderland

[01:59:19] It has a very big presence in the Tokyo Disney theme park No comment Everyone else I feel like is just sort of like Okay, we're done And the 31st highest grossing film In the history of Japan Of course it's the original base I'd shake down the movie

[01:59:38] Me I love a base I'd shake down Anytime I'm in base I'm more of a base I'd shake down to a guy Well you know I agree I'm tired So that was fun You have to see that Tarantino movie That kid's a punk

[01:59:55] Ask me I like a good old fastened base I'd shake them Okay America's cheering All of our listeners They love it Doing the wave I don't get why this is my Sinatra I don't think he sounds like this No But this is what I'm doing

[02:00:11] It sounds like your impression of my Justice Gordon I know that's kind of what it is I was thinking about that I know the precise weight of this loaded die Huh I'm gonna sell these government secrets I'm Edward Snowden And I made a weird commitment to

[02:00:27] Replicating his voice Even though he cares I'm weird No one cared about any part of that movie No it is me Philippe D I am French Of course I'm French I walked on a baguette That was my first balancing act

[02:00:41] We said how he needs to complete the trilogy A stale baguette The complete trilogy of Outours who peaked in the 80s and 90s Making unnecessary remakes Of best documentary winners At the time I called that We had not So you had the walk and then you have Snowden

[02:01:02] I'm just citizen 4 And since I made that call Another one has joined the fray In the annals of best documentary Which is clearly what he will do Free solo He will do a free solo remake I'm Alex Honnold I gotta climb this here Elf Capitan Right

[02:01:17] He'll do a free solo remake with Like who's that lost 90s director Curtis Hanson He's dead And he's polychized And In fairness most of the people we've dragged into We've talked about a lot of dead people That we've nonetheless sort of reanimated For the purpose of this podcast

[02:01:35] We've interacted with them Do you have any final porcaroso or Miyazaki thoughts? Just watch, I mean the movie is great Like it's Why is it so much like Netflix? You texted me Like I'm He doesn't put shit on this But it's annoying

[02:01:47] Cause it's just like people should watch The Flying Pig movie I agree We didn't even spend that much time on the plot Cause it's not a It's not funny Again it's like you read the manga It's 14 pages You get it The whole point is the visual spectacle

[02:01:58] It's animation It's the loving details It's character Yeah exactly It's a character driven film Yeah I love it He's one of my best friends In the last movie ever based on an in-flight But even as a character driven film It's not even that much of a script driven

[02:02:12] Like it really I don't know man It's behavioral Yeah Like I was just watching and I was like I'm in on the vibe of this movie Like Gina doesn't say shit But you get such a vibe from Gina Cause she just sort of walks through the movie

[02:02:24] I can set my watch to this movie Cause I understand the way it's ticking You know it's just like I get it baby I love that pig He's just a pig And he's working on his He's working on his plane I love that pig Baby

[02:02:36] He's working on his plane Maybe we will get Porco 2 one day Ben you like this one right You're happy You're happy Porco 2, Fio goes Fash Yeah Porco 2, Red Pill Next week we have Mononoke Mononoke Mononoke Mononoke Great movie I agree I agree

[02:03:03] I agree that next week we have Mononoke Yeah I can't I can't argue with that man No The truth I feel like David has given up He's staring off into the middle Someone sent me a text that took me a second to puzzle out I figured it out

[02:03:18] Can you read it or is it private? No I'll read it off like Okay Uh yeah No, no I love Porco He might not be my favorite Miyazaki But uh I think that's good That we have the two sides Between us Sure

[02:03:31] Well jeez I was saying it's a compliment I was agreeing You went sure I just say if you watch Pucarosa and then go watch the documentary about Ghibli, The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness It's like putting two into it Right This guy This guy

[02:03:45] This chain smoking weirdo who makes these movies in his weird apron Just like He's the pig He does have a weirdo He's the pig Have you watched the ramen video? No I'll find it I've been saving a lot of these things for Yeah For later

[02:03:59] Justin thank you for being here You don't watch a lot of movies but we finally got you I listened to a lot of blank check Yes you do That's kind of like being into movies You're this interesting sub-sec of Blankies

[02:04:10] Which is people who like the podcast and don't like movies Yeah it's great Which is a sub-sec There are some There are There was uh yeah I do like the Star Wars prequels Which is how I got into blank check Really? What's your Well I like

[02:04:24] I like thinking about I'm like you know I like thinking about them more than I like certainly I don't like Attack of the Clones So I should retract Previous statement I really dislike that movie But you know I like Star Wars You got into the Star Wars

[02:04:38] Can I say something crazy? Haven't we watched any of them since we did that Me neither Of course you would Why would you? Right we watched them too much We were immersed But the more I like think about stuff I'm like Attack of the Clones my favorite

[02:04:51] It's not it's bad It's so bad It's so bad I can I I will end with this I remember release day of Attack of the Clones My mom took me to see that movie Retired bet And if you think that like I cannot reconcile how excited I was

[02:05:07] To go see a Star Wars movie I saw Phantom Menace in the theater I liked it I was a kid But Attack of the Clones I literally it's during the The Django Fett chase scene I fell asleep Wow My mom had to wake me up

[02:05:20] I fell asleep during The Django Fett chase That's very early in the film Yeah I was like all in Couldn't do it I was like wow It's the only time I've ever fell asleep In the movie theater Was watching Attack of the Clones

[02:05:31] When they're in the asteroid bell I just dozed off I'll say I mean you know We've mentioned this before But I feel like We were harder on those movies Because of the bit we were doing Partly That's true Because they certainly don't live up to

[02:05:47] Standing outside of the Star Wars universe Right they're only interesting In dialogue with the original films And how much he deviates from them How reticent he is to like Do what people want Is what's interesting about them I don't think any of us

[02:06:02] Either of us would argue that they're good But I feel like if we watch them with context We both have more complimentary things to say You say that but it's not true It's just the trick We talk about it so much where we're like You're like

[02:06:15] Ah, Phantom Menace might be good And you turn it on and you're like No I don't like it And then it ends and you're like But maybe there's something there It's like when it's on you're like Oh I see, this is tough They're very boring Right right right

[02:06:27] But then the second it ends you're like But you know what about Wado? Let's think about it It is fascinating now how much Like prequel defenders are becoming like A thing The exact people who were like Finally we kicked Lucas Like the people who were like

[02:06:42] Texting death threats to Lucas Are now like fucking Kathy Kennedy She doesn't have the balls to make a prequel She doesn't have the balls to make bad movies That no one likes We talked about this on our A. Vangelion podcast

[02:06:53] At the rear of like all the people who are mad at the Netflix dub Are the same people who in fucking like 2001 hated the original English dub Because they were like Oh it took so many liberties with the original Japanese script And now they missed that

[02:07:05] It's just, fandom is like a curse It's a fucking It is a curse Or a boros and a curse They want to be able to say that The last thing was better than this thing It's always that's the art You had to be there

[02:07:15] It's always the logic of like You had to be there for the real thing It's looking in the work Weed was so much better than We're done guys Breaking my back as a Star Wars fan for five years I have been breaking my back We're done

[02:07:29] We're two boys with broken backs Thank you for being here, Justin Marco! Thanks for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Thanks to Ant for good over our social media Thanks to Lea Montgomery for a theme song Pat Reynolds and Joe Bowen for artwork

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[02:07:59] This year they're gonna have to call Blank Friday Aren't they? David this year They're gonna have to call Blank Friday People are gonna be storming the malls Looking for their check-y merch Tickle me check-y Please can we be done? Get ready for Tickle Me Check-y Okay

[02:08:18] You can use it as a pillow Dollar bill y'all, you put them in your pillowcase Dollar bill y'all Right Next week Princess Mononoke Yep And as always Go to patreon.com Blank check Listen to some wonderful commentaries Yep, they're good What are we up to now?

[02:08:36] Uh, good question What would be approaching Far from home Uh Homecoming It's gonna be Black Panther next Oh Great commentaries A great one with Jamel Bowie Yeah, I mean we really actually did a good job on that Although once in a while we're just... Don't call your shot

[02:08:54] I think I remember when I was down I was like Huh, that was good Don't you start What? You don't like Michael B Jordan? I love Jamel I don't like Michael B Jordan in that movie in particular Oh, I forgot about that too In this movie

[02:09:07] I think he's good I think he's good in Fruit Fail Which is not a good movie I think he's bad in Black Panther Which is also Well it's better than Fruit Fail But Good move Jamel's good I'll listen to it for Jamel Yeah, you should

[02:09:20] It's also one of those things where like sometimes we're just quiet Cause we're like That's a good scene You know what I mean? Suddenly just like Oh yeah, oh yeah this is cool So usually when we do the commentaries and there's three in a row like that

[02:09:30] By the third one we're like crazy Right, right And this one we're just gonna like Oh yeah We're like I'm just gonna give in to this movie I don't have the energy Black Panther It actually holds up great when you do that Because you've seen other Yeah

[02:09:43] Stensibly fun and go into our Marvel movies And then something you're like Oh Oh this is like operating This is something special Right, right Right, right Yeah Okay anyway And there's always Porcaroso, Fox I don't know the episode's over Get out of here He does

[02:09:59] Wait you don't think he f- I think the whole He seems kind of like No, no, no, no I think the whole point of Porcaroso Is that he fucks And the movie is like him largely Remembering what it is like to be one who fucks Yeah

[02:10:13] Alright sure, he fucked and he will fuck again Yeah I feel like that's the tension in the movie I don't think he makes love Because I don't think he will let anyone in to that The guy who sits there eats that plate of pasta

[02:10:23] Like he does and sips that wine like he That guy fucks That's a man That guy fucks Okay you're right, you're right He's all the pleasures of the flesh I don't know if me is a fuck I think a new funny thing would be To be like

[02:10:34] I saw the new Quentin That movie makes love Oh boy god The souvenir makes love The souvenir does make love Yes it does That'll court us this not fuck Hey Ben we're done Yay That was fun Oh my god Uh David, yep

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