Public Enemies with Fran Hoepfner

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check I was raised on a farm in Moorsville, Indiana

[00:00:23] My mama died when I was three My daddy beat the hell out of me because he didn't know no better way to raise me I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey and podcasts What else do you need to know?

[00:00:34] That was like the trailer line too right? That was like the... Check it out, generally that's like fast cars There's a couple I feel like this trailer for me was like at the time like was like the American Hustle Trailer

[00:00:46] That's I thought about that well that list I also thought about the Don John trailer Don John trailer Because it's got that saying in my patty But this one had the... My boys, my girls You have squeezed that into any discourse you can How dare you

[00:00:59] You swing it back over to the Don John trailer I'll never watch that movie in full Give my men a robinny bank anytime They need to be everywhere all the time That one and the... You want to take this ride with me? I want to take these rides

[00:01:14] Yes, I want to take these rides with you You don't know how to dainz? What a performance Milwaukee Milwaukee? She is 90% capable of doing an English language performance in this movie Yeah, it's the 10% where I totally lose Right, the 10% is a little brutal

[00:01:31] Because also at the time you were like Maybe this is the most facility she's ever going to have with the English language And then next year she's like fine By inception she's totally capable of getting a performance in the English language I'm not talking about accent

[00:01:44] No, no, no There are many lines in which you can tell she doesn't understand the rhythm of what she's saying And I think she was not incredibly fluent at the time they shot this movie But did you see this thing on the Wikipedia? It's Wikipedia

[00:01:56] Where it's like she trained herself to speak in a French-Canadian Menomini, Wisconsin, Chicago accent I'm like who fucking trained her in that? Yeah, she doesn't sound like any person I've ever heard in the world

[00:02:07] But they're saying she sounds like five different things to throw you off the scent They're like, that thing you think is her not knowing Well that's the Wisconsin part I think she trained with York That's who she sounds like this whole movie Milwaukee? Yeah

[00:02:22] Then my mom and I moved to Milwaukee You are a gangster to give her a few thanks She does sound like Bjork, right? You nailed it Nailed it Because then she gets a more mellifluous kind of once she's in the Nolan movies

[00:02:36] And now I feel like she's totally fully capable bilingual actress Here's my question What? She's more like sort of easy to understand in Big Fish Six years earlier Yeah, weirdly So maybe it's just she's trying to wrangle this weird accent And she's like That's a really good point

[00:02:57] I was gonna say, you know She's a lot more natural I feel like in Big Fish she's like, Billy you have to chill out You know, like it's like just you know I wouldn't say she's like that Hey, Billy, what's up? That's what she sounds like

[00:03:07] Hey, Billy come on, chill out I'm with Finney's Charmin Here's another thing Let's just talk about all these other things before we start talking about the things we're supposed to talk about And we were supposed to talk about them in This weird period where it's like

[00:03:18] Let's cast Hollywood's most handsome symmetrical men To play, you know, a pugnosed flat-faced J. Edgar Hoover Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm trying to let me find a young Hoover Who else has played Hoover? Decaparator Right I was looking through some other ones He was not leading man quality

[00:03:41] He was not I mean, he looked better as a young man than he does He looked better as a young man When he's like a bulldog But he also looks like a very young old man in that photo He never looked handsome The way that he's played here

[00:03:56] In another movie that I'm gonna think of Where someone else, you know Dylan Baker plays him in Selma I was going through a list of them It's like usually they just play him as like a feat Right It's sort of this like coded kind of like

[00:04:07] Well, you know, J. Edgar Hoover If you've ever heard about him And like so it's just someone going like Catch the criminals please You know, like that That's quite an impression They put a little hand on his hip Little hand

[00:04:20] I don't even know where he got that hand from Where's the hand come from? Two of these things Tiny little hand Who else has played I mean, Hoskins plays him in Right In Nixon and is so good Yeah That insane scene that I think was initially deleted

[00:04:33] I've never seen where he's like squeezing Water on plants And he's so weird I've never seen Nixon He's good in it though I mean, Nixon's one of my favorite movies I fucking love that movie so much Like the full crazy Oliver Stone However long it is

[00:04:47] Version, you know, four hour version or whatever I was just looking at a list of people Other people played him Stephen Rue played him in All The Way On HBO But McCain played him on Broadway Yes Ernest Borgnein

[00:04:59] Who's the guy who you feel like should have been playing J. Edgar Hoover Did it in some shitty movie in 2000 Yeah, Blood Feud No, did it more than once Really? Okay Yes, also played him in a movie called Hoover Right, that's the one I'm talking about

[00:05:10] But also something called Blood Feud You've got Pat Hingle I mean, yeah A Bulldog of a Man Yeah Played him in Citizen Cone Which is that James Woods's Rory Cohn movie Oh boy James Woods played Will Kelsey Grammer In some play Oh In the Harry Shearer comical musical

[00:05:30] J. Edgar Exclamation point Can I just That sounds good That sounds like good casting Wait, James Woods played both Rory Cohn And Rudy Giuliani So he's He's slowly been moving into the Trump biopic I mean, he's like He's getting everyone in the circle That would just

[00:05:46] Unfortunately be good You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yes Like even though he would be like I'm playing this man because he's an American here And you'd be like Yeah whatever Let's just get this on film I'm gonna run this by

[00:05:58] Our guest who I won't introduce yet Sure We had a little text thread going with some of our friends Mm-hmm Joe Reed, Katie Rich We were talking about SNL stuff Oh And we were saying like this feels like a time where SNL

[00:06:11] Creatively could benefit from like cleaning the house Doing like a hard reset like they did in, you know, 80 or 96 or 97, whatever it was, right? Right And then Sims made his point Which has been haunting me for the last 10 days

[00:06:27] I really like sort of it's like Joaquin's sticking a dagger And Russell Crowley like you can't shake what I said Right Because we were like I don't even want to see anyone play Trump Yeah, because there was something Who would play Trump? Back then it was like Green

[00:06:40] And it goes like And then Sims had the point which was They should bring back Tim Robinson to do Trump I'd love that I mean that's the only Trump I want to see And don't do an impression Just let him scream I can't stop thinking about Tom Robinson

[00:06:56] I was just talking to Bobby Finger about Oh the great Bob Finger The great Bob Finger about the way He's obsessed with the way Tim Robinson says At all Yeah At all Jesus Jesus It's so just let him go off The small slice The small slice

[00:07:17] Oh my god, he's so funny But if it was you That show, vein popping out of his forehead Red face screaming nonsense And just escalating in a way that's unpredictable I don't want him to use proper words I just want him to like scream and escalate

[00:07:30] I didn't watch, I didn't get to that show for like a week Want to eat a table You know, like and just drool I didn't get to that And then say life from the end What's it called? I think you should leave I think you should leave

[00:07:42] I didn't get to it for like a week Imagine the hype, you know Like a week of everyone I know being like It's just so funny Which is like the worst thing you could do To a sweet little comedy show like that And then I watch it

[00:07:54] I'm like this is fucking hysterical Like you know, like it completely met the hype Have you watched his characters episode? Yeah I love He's got that like old timey like gangster guy To do in the like Oh no, I'm broke

[00:08:06] That I think about constantly now that I'm in school That sketch where he's trying to get them To buy the props for the gangster movie Black slick bag hair wigs 200 of them They look like plastic, the beat ball They look like little, what is it, little dog turds

[00:08:21] It smells really bad Stanzos 200 stanzos I thought about that sketch a lot And when this movie When they finally relent and go like We'll buy 50 because you gotta buy them all It's not worth it on my eyes I mean, that's a great What's your favorite sketch?

[00:08:39] We talked about this already I think it changes from week to week But right now I'm really in on the hot dog costume You love the hot dog What about you? Two small slides Two small slides I mean that one's perfect Yeah Because for me it's Garfield

[00:08:54] He should play Trump And we're talking about a movie today Starring another man who's played Trump Yes, and as our guest at a movie That's also sponsored by Stanzo The real Chicago Gangsta movie Oh boy, we brought in Chicago's finest Dennis Farina Here I am I'm back

[00:09:15] Frank Hoffner Here I am Every time A massive ratings pop Oh, I can't wait Thank God I think the holiday feels like a shorter movie Than this movie No pleasant Is the holiday shorter than this movie? They're about the same But like a minute Isn't that crazy?

[00:09:32] One is like an accounting of the era Of bank robbing once about Two nice ladies who do a house swap This is the holiday 217 I believe the holiday is 218 To this one's 220 Incredible 219 in a chain You're saying this movie that no one remembers This does feel like borderline

[00:09:53] A movie that doesn't exist For a massive hit Starring three major people Incruiting America's favorite gangster Johnny Depp John Depp He's a gangster already I wish Jager would round him up I remember this coming out Being a big deal was just like I didn't exist that summer

[00:10:11] Is sort of how I feel That was your summer of non-existence? Well, that was the summer I discovered recreational drinking So I wasn't going to the movies I was going to people's basements 2008 No, this was 2009 Is 2008 your big summer? 2008 was my big summer Big Griffey out of it

[00:10:31] Summer in the city What's so special about 2008 in your life? Apart from like speed racer Huge summer I dropped out of college I was living in my fleabag apartment On like the fifth floor I lived at Phoebe Waller Bridge Season two It was me, hot priest

[00:10:49] I got to take on the priest But it'll be too late by the time I say it a lot I think it's less about him being a priest And more about dating an optimist Very hot to date an optimist That's what I'll say I think it's fantastic

[00:10:59] Someone who thinks that things are going to be okay Versus like someone who wears a uniform I think that's a great take David's pointing at himself As an optimist? I don't agree You don't think so? I don't think you're an optimist Really? No What am I?

[00:11:13] You are actually I'm thinking about it Yeah, you are Way in, Griffin You've been trying to counteract My negative pessimism You're in a pessimistic mood Well, to be fair It's only because the world is bad And I hate everything within it Here we go Here he goes again

[00:11:31] Maybe something you could do Is kind of like stick it to the man And start maybe robin some things I should say robin's a pow The public loves that A reason to believe again Can I say a thing about hot priest? Yeah Such a great fucking counterpoint

[00:11:46] To the fallacy That an out gay actor Will never be believable Having sexual chemistry with a woman Absolutely One of those two things That keeps actors in the closet Is like, they'll never buy you As an action star They'll never buy you romance In a woman

[00:12:01] That's the most chemistry anyone's had On screen a year or two Incredible, yeah Right? No question Not holabolically The thing about him Off the charts No, no, I agree with you The thing about him that shocks me Is that he was introduced to me

[00:12:12] As this like truly like Snivilly kind of freaky villain guy And he did that for a while And like so when I'm He's being positioned to me as like Hey, don't you love this guy? I was afraid I'd be like But he's, you know He's Moriarty Yeah

[00:12:28] You know and then I think it's so nice that he gets To have this part After doing 100% All that time as Moriarty Yeah, he's in this fucking Black Mirror episode that's just okay But when the episode starts You do the first episode of the second season

[00:12:39] I do feel like I'm sitting there going like Is there some turn? Does he turn out to be a fucking Yeah, he's not a blocker He's scaring me to scream Right He screams so much as Moriarty That's like the thing of that character His thing is Moriarty

[00:12:50] He's talking to me, he's screaming You're just like I get it Your criminal mastermind It's okay Okay, so The episode's coming on August We have our hot streaming TV takes From April and May It's not like there's more TV shows Coming right? This is it

[00:13:06] We're gonna take a break for a while, right? I heard that all the good ones have been canceled now Really quickly if we could Okay, can I throw out a prediction on the record? Yeah I think Bosh will be canceled by the time this comes out Fuck

[00:13:18] Hell yeah I think one might be able to see a pattern I know what you're saying We've talked about it Winky-winky Hey, maybe not though What if Bosh Pulse through Then I eat my hat and I just look like a loser Alright, so do you

[00:13:33] What if that's the better It's like well what do you have to do if you lose I just look like a loser Yeah, I just have to live in the fact that I failed at life I think No, I'm fine Yeah, you're fine

[00:13:43] But I predict Sneaky Pete and Bosh will be canceled by the time this episode comes out Read into that, whatever pattern you put Pete be sneaky Yeah, so what is Pete's deal? Alright, so we all know Pete Like this is the president We all know a standard Pete

[00:13:56] Yeah, I know right now You're one of the Melchizedek and I drop you a board And then like, Giovanni Robisi just leans into the whiteboard Like half his face is like What if he was Pete? Whereas in this he's creepy The creep

[00:14:10] Let's say this one is called Public Enemies What's the podcast called? Blank Check What's the miniseries called? With Griffin and David, I'm Griffin David Podcast about filmographies Directures about massive success early on in their careers, you see

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[00:15:08] I did and some of it is just like inherited from my past I encountered my past many times doing research for this Do you feel like it like like Chicago do you feel walking down the streets like this This is where they breathe like this is

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[00:18:39] Well there you go You know what I'm saying? Well there you go And Ben's giving me a thumbs up So we were supposed to record this a week ago We had to cancel because I couldn't stop having diarrhea He couldn't stop emitting from his orifices Oh

[00:18:55] You were throwing up? Well, here's the thing A little bit of both A little bit of like a push me pull Salt and pepper Yeah But you were already This is one of those, huh? I guess so That's good, that's good I want this, it's summer vacation

[00:19:14] You bring this out of us I feel It's certainly David You make David very David I called it right We're pals Yeah, we're pals We don't laugh in We like to We're gonna laugh We're gonna laugh We don't laugh We don't laugh And when we canceled last week

[00:19:29] Then David and I went to go see Stephen Graham vehicle Rocketman That's right Oh Stephen Graham's like Oh yeah Fucking me Be on my live Be on my live Right Amazing David just put a pen in his mouth To pretend it was a cigar Fucking cigar down on

[00:19:46] And then Bryce Dallas is like RENJI ON THE FRY Remember that part I'm obsessed with Bryce Dallas in this movie They put that on the soundtrack Her going They did They did it Make it my text notification Right, see So this movie is based on a book

[00:20:01] That Fran has with her today You had done some research When we were gonna record a week ago Did you do even more to fill in In this last week No, I just re-read I re-read some parts That I thought were like most interesting And tried to like

[00:20:13] Clarify some things with With the movie There are things that the movie I feel like leaves out That maybe would have made the movie Feel more cohesive Not even like Oh, I would have loved this to be in here Because it was interesting

[00:20:23] Versus like there needed to be This relationship needed to be clarified I don't know I get this movie is sort of like I think man doesn't care about that at all I mean certainly not in this movie Cause he's not up for clarifying anything

[00:20:35] The first 20 minutes of this movie And I had not seen it since it came out on theaters I remember liking it when it came out on theaters I was amped for it Yeah It was my second biggest summer ever So what's 09 like?

[00:20:49] You've fully dropped out of college at this point Are you still living in the flea bag apartment? No, no I wasn't You know the thing that was great with the flea bag apartment Was that Is that the one where there were like Four different mattresses and areas

[00:21:01] In like a living room or whatever Right, and I lived in the living room On four mattresses stacked on top of each other This is in New York Three mattresses maybe Stacked on top of each other In the corner of an apartment behind a couch

[00:21:12] But I would come home And my roommates would be having dates In my bedroom Since my bedroom was the living room Interesting that you bring the date there DVD and chilling DVD and chilling Oh yeah That's the odds Interesting to say Yeah we used to DVD and chill

[00:21:33] Netflix by mail and chill But I was in for this movie I saw it with a large group of people Everyone else was kind of like frustrated with it I was like defending it I never watched it again And then I was watching it

[00:21:47] And the first 20 minutes I was like Fuck, do I like this more than heat? And then I forgot that the movie just kind of like Bounces around Yeah It's all, yeah It's very all over the place I'll vibe with it for a while

[00:22:01] And then I'll like get totally lost with it Yeah There's stuff in it I love I think the set up's amazing But this was this book that came out This final product Yeah this Brian Borow book Public Enemy is America's greatest crime But it's like all these guys

[00:22:16] Man sort of narrowed this down to The Dillinger Purpose But this is like Dillinger and Carpess And the Barker brothers And Bonnie and Clyde And Pretty Boy Floyd And Machine Gun Kelly The whole early 30s depression era crime wave Because it was this like 10 month thing

[00:22:34] Where there were just like constant crimes And there are a lot of like really interesting Other ones outside Just like the wave of kidnapings Is very odd This is like when kidnapping is big As like the new crime In the trailer one of the things

[00:22:47] One of the, like part of the tagline Is like in the golden age of crime Which I think it's not wrong But it's a very weird phrase To use the golden age of crime As if you're saying like the golden age of jazz Yeah

[00:23:00] Like you're describing crime as if it's an art form But there is that element in this time period In that crime was also sort of this Weird like performance art Like crime was entertainment This was the first time that criminals were like Celebrities who were able to use

[00:23:13] Like cameras to their advantage Totally, yeah, yeah, yeah Cameras and cars Newsreels, cars Right, all that get away But it's also the first time that America is dealing With crime on a level that's past Just like the local sheriff being Like hey you

[00:23:28] I hear you shot a man in the street In the face And the guy's like wow he looked at me funny And the sheriff's like this all sounds fine Feed the man to the pigs And let's move on Right, you know

[00:23:38] It is crazy to think like just being like Alive in this time and just being like Wow crime's really booming All these big criminals They're gonna go in a crime school Maybe doing a couple years of crime I'm gonna remember this the rest of my life

[00:23:51] Like being alive at a period of time Where all these criminals were working together All at the peak of their power And also just like that banks were These like gigantic buildings Right Like and money was just in sacks I think that's the thing

[00:24:05] Like you were like far enough from like the old west Where it was like okay things have settled down now But then like It's a little old westy Right so then the structure starts to come in And then they're like We're gonna get back into this crime thing

[00:24:15] But now there's more money in bigger places And having cars feels sort of like The sort of you know futuristic western I'm sort of like is this movie steampunk But simply now You know what I mean It's simply now Yes It is this like combination

[00:24:28] Depression punk or whatever right It's like 30s punk Yeah Well that's certainly I think The thing that turned people off Most about this movie Is also the thing that now holds up the best About it which is just how radical this thing Looks Looks incredible

[00:24:43] I think it looks unbelievable Like minute one from the whole like The breakout in the prison where it's like All the sky and like all the negative space Right Yeah shit I think it's still Indiana baby Ten years later looks better Beautiful Gorgeous

[00:24:58] Gorgeous it no I don't like Indiana I think ten years later still looks better Than most digitally shot movies Because it's like Now most digital movies are Trying and failing to represent the look of film And the three directors who I think have Used digital the best

[00:25:14] Are Soderbergh, Mann and Fincher Because they're the three people who are like Good boys Really tech obsessed And are just like why are we chasing film Right Like that's gone if we're using a digital video camera Make it its own thing Right

[00:25:29] And I think it helps that like All three of those guys are like Weird computer brain Like detail obsessed But this movie just the like Infinite depth of field Yeah And focus and there are just like shots they pull off Like when they're in the car

[00:25:45] Moving full speed And the background behind them is perfectly in focus That's what he loves And you see both the guys in the car And the dirt on the windshield all in focus And this is the first one that's 100% All did

[00:25:59] And it feels like they've hit a new Like this is 2K or whatever it is A new resolution standard that gives them The clarity he always wanted And more importantly the immediacy That like I feel like this book when it came out

[00:26:13] Was a big deal because it was like The way these things happen with major Subjects every like 10 years Some will be like I've written the new definitive book on this subject Yeah And the note they always give in the reviews is like

[00:26:26] They somehow make it feel so current They do and it reads In present they make it feel contemporary Totally and it's like a chunk Book but it reads very quickly And like very excitingly And I think the way it's shot also Heightens the general like

[00:26:42] Accuracy of what man is going for Also and it's not all how it actually was It's full of sort of little inaccuracies That like served the narrative which is totally fine But the way it is shot just like Heightens how true to the past

[00:26:56] Man wants it to feel Which it does The clarity of the video Like makes me think about the details more Yes right Yeah Where I'm like looking at all of their outfits And you're so much more aware of the texture And the materials of the outfits

[00:27:12] And the textures of the cars And all these sorts of things And then Michael Mann loves textures Oh yeah Especially like all the gunfights This must look like what it felt like To be in Chicago at that time where it's like

[00:27:27] Ah go on the picture house might see Johnny gets shot in the head You know I remember seeing it in the theater Just that it was so fucking loud Like Really loud So loud which I love Like that machine gun was just You definitely couldn't hear anything else

[00:27:42] But I think it also works It looks depressed It's not lush It's not like sepia tone Like this looks like No and it's not healthy A fucking like sick place Everything's kind of wasted and drawn Which is another thing of owning What digital does well

[00:27:57] That shot early on of the lady Who's like take me with you And Johnny Nepp is like I mean No thanks And then you just see her at the farm And you're like No wonder she wants to hang out with the bank robbers Indiana

[00:28:08] Where that's the point where you're like Does this rule? Unlike his this is master please Yeah right Because it feels like in the first 20 minutes Like it sets up Like this should be Michael Mann's ultimate statement It feels incredibly unfocused

[00:28:22] Like he didn't hone in on a central story And Michael Mann Is really good when there's like One central hook And then from there you can put all the detail onto it And I feel like there are a couple things He's like going for here

[00:28:35] But there isn't like one spine he finds He also just loves like Process and detail Right So sometimes he gets a little hung up on Like wow we got We got include that then Dylan did this bullshit Right Like you know he sort of

[00:28:48] He wants to be linear about it I think it's a little like Forced through the trees A little bit But I still think it's pretty great It's a pretty beautifully made film And when you're watching it You're like wow what a movie Here it is Hollywood baby

[00:29:02] Chicago baby What if Michael Mann's next film Was a deeply researched Deeply dished That's good Fact based Thank you for saying that Super terse Three hour epic About the battle between second city and I.O I would love that I would love to see how

[00:29:22] Man would shoot Piper's alley The building that second city is in I'm gonna keep doing this Like all my references to the most Obvious Chicago things in the world Like I don't have anything for you The league is set there Okay Manzookas Classic Chicago boy Middle Chicago

[00:29:40] Is he a Chicago boy? No I don't think so Where's he from? I don't know He's been said I listen to him Walk the kids Like even like T.J. and Dave Could have been like old time It's honestly kind of crazy That neither T.J. nor Dave

[00:29:54] Showed up in this They've got like faces Like guys who would have been around T.J. and Dave Are you kidding? Oh come on I don't know what that is Like really famous long running Chicago two man improv group Possibly the two finest improvisers

[00:30:10] And T.J. does the sonic commercials now And Dave Pascuese was in every season Of Beep He's great on Beep He plays Selena's husband Oh yeah he's good I love that guy Christian Bale would probably play Dave Right in the Michael Mann I would love to see that

[00:30:28] Yeah And then I don't know like Jesse Plemons would play T.J. Man could do a lot with Plemons Plemons would have been amazing Well this is also the thing with this movie Is that all these guys were like 32 And these guys just look slightly too old

[00:30:42] And there's the argument of like Depp is way too old They lived harder in those days They did Sure But he did Have you guys Depp is like 45 I think Yeah It's weird Johnny Depp has a scarf on in his Wikipedia picture What? Surprising

[00:31:00] Oh my god I feel so bad for him Oh he was You think he was a chilly boy that day? I feel so bad for him He must have lost his other four scarves Like before that photo was taken You think a scarf came and took him?

[00:31:11] He looks so bare How old do you think Bale is when this movie is? Oh that's a great question 36 Yeah I was gonna say 34 35 Wow Look at us I love Bale My favorite Bale before See that's crazy to me I think that's so weird because I love Bale

[00:31:29] And I don't think he's a very exciting guy to like No But he's one of my favorite actors Yeah And I think he's a lot weirder than people can credit for Sure But you tend to not like him very much Not dislike him

[00:31:41] Where are you getting this from? That's right for you Cray He's only got one One Davey nomination It's hard to make the five Thank you for sending me up on that He lost to Waltz for Inglorious Bastards You can't beat Waltz that year right?

[00:31:58] I feel like Waltz is so undeniable Well give us the five Paul Schneider for Bright Star Of course your favorite Was that your number one movie that year? Correct That's an incredible movie It's a beautiful movie I failed him I have failed him I love that movie

[00:32:13] Christian Bale for Polk Enemies Waltz for Inglorious Bastards Fast Bender for Inglorious Bastards I would have nominated both Yeah, Fast Bender would have made my one And Peter Capaldi for In The Loop Oh maybe it would have been Capaldi for me I mean he's a threatening winner

[00:32:28] Who are the actual I'm trying to remember now who the actual nominees were in 2009 Let's find out Fast Bender definitely would have made my five See I'm saying Bale wouldn't have made my five That still might be my favorite Fast Bender performance In Inglorious Bastards He's pretty phenomenal

[00:32:42] Yeah good in that Also Inglorious Bastards is one of those movies Where you could realistically fill out a five With just Inglorious Bastards performance Probably Matt Damon for Invictus Which is not an interesting performance But we've talked about how Trevor Noah Said it's the greatest South African accent

[00:33:00] He's ever seen on screen By an American Sure, yeah It's just not an interesting character No he's Bandela's like you should be In the rugby team And he's like alright sounds good And then he's in it There's that huge huge scene where he lets his

[00:33:12] Maid stay in the living room And watch TV with him Fuck, isn't that movie That movie is I love Clint Eastwood and that movie sucks Yeah that movie is so bad it's insane You know Clint Eastwood should not maybe Be handed that kind of a movie

[00:33:26] With those sorts of dynamics Yeah Right Simple answer Right Solly we can wrestle with it because The FAA you know and the flight attendants Or whatever whatever whatever that's stupid The board what are they NSTC what are they called Yeah Eastwood can paint them as a fellow

[00:33:44] You see the same thing twice I don't remember I've only seen Solly 12 times Alright the other nominees were Woody Harrelson for the messenger Which is a good performance Oh yeah definitely what I made in my life Christopher Plummer for the last station Which is a demented nominee Insane

[00:33:55] And then he's also the lead Like I think it was a total category He's 100% I would say him split with McAvoy right Because does Hell in your economics you're best lead actress I think she does I think it was just the classic like

[00:34:07] Just put him wherever they'll get the nomination That's another movie that sucks And it also feels like he got the nomination Because they were like Christopher Plummer is about to die We're never going to get another chance To nominate him Right And then he gets another win

[00:34:18] And another nomination after that Oh and then you know what This is kind of a mistake by me Because the other nominee Is Stanley Tucci for the Lovely Bones Which is a bad performance Yeah But isn't Julien and Julia the same year That's the same year I believe

[00:34:30] So maybe he should be on my list Because he's so fucking good in that He's so fucking good in that Tucci I'm trying to think who else Because my number one in 2009 Would have been Sugar Then I think in Glorious Basterds Great movie Then

[00:34:43] I mean you got a serious man that year You got a hurt locker Mackie would have been one of my five He's a good boy Rafe, Rafe for that one I just love that part of that movie Rafe's Sure Rafe's really good at the movie Coraline, Coraline 2000

[00:34:58] Coraline is that year In the loop like I said Avatar, Star Trek Funny people Funny people Where the wild things are It's a good year Can I say A lot of fun I rewatched Funny People like a week ago That movie was amazing That movie was fantastic

[00:35:13] I love Your teacher's great Your teacher's like one of my favorite bits From any episode Is Funny People's Reputation fully rehabilitated Or does it need more I don't think it is I think it needs more That movie's incredible So good I mean that movie

[00:35:26] Maybe it's a little too long But like that's incredible But that's also the entire value Of the movie Agreed Is that The movie does the exact movie You think it's going to be well And then it's like now more movie Right

[00:35:36] And then it's like an act in which The lead character doesn't know What movie he's in Well then It's also like And walks into a different movie And ruins someone else's movie That's the thing where it's like He's not fixed FYI Like he's learned some things

[00:35:47] But it's not like he's Like a good person now Yeah Cause that's not what happens to people Hell yeah It's not like long shot Where you're like Why is this two hours And they're like I don't know No one told us to cut it down Public enemies

[00:35:58] John Depp Johnny Depp Right What's Johnny Depp's deal at this point He's just kind of the biggest Movie star in the world Yeah Right like it's like The pirate sequels have come out They made a bedillion bucks Right He did Finding Neverland He did Sweeney

[00:36:14] So he's gotten more Oscar nominations Right This is his first After Sweeney His first movie First after Sweeney Last good Depp I was going to say I mean I think this is his last I mean apart from Rango If you want to like I think he's found that

[00:36:27] Oh I've still never seen Rango You would fuck with him I know I would love Rango What I love about Rango Per se But he's good I also think he's really good That's the thing I think he's really good in it I'll say

[00:36:37] I don't know if it's just like A weird like hindsight thing now And I think he's good in this But I see like a lot of I think he's good in this But he's not great He's not great And the movie If someone was going as deeply

[00:36:51] Into this character As Christian Bale was into his character The movie would Would really be elevated Right And I see like Here's the story I remember hearing It was actually It was when I was Iconically portraying Tony Robb back Or the performance that would

[00:37:10] Define the rest of my life And the director on set was like Because I hadn't done much On camera stuff before And he was like Look it's like a weird thing And you'll like to figure it out And he's like I remember having a friend

[00:37:20] Who was working on What's Eating Gilbert Grave Right He was telling me This depth guy is like There's nothing there It's like insane Like many people say This guy's a good actor He's going to get fired from this movie He's like not doing anything And then the guy

[00:37:36] Went and watched The Dailies one day And he was like The guy's a genius And he was like Dep just knows exactly How to play to the camera Like he's like His relationship with the camera Is so fucking strong And that's a movie Where he's very naturalistic

[00:37:49] But he was like Still if you were on set Watching from the sidelines It didn't look like He was doing anything It looked like He wasn't showing up to play And public enemies to me Feels a little bit like Dep is at this point Where he's not like

[00:38:00] Totally lost yet It's not like he's phoning it in But he's so aware of his tricks Yeah It's all his tricks It's all his tricks And the tricks are effective I do like him I think he's good And I think where he Reaches a limit

[00:38:15] Is just in terms of Like miscasting an age In that I just think He's too old I think it works Like at the end of the movie When he's kind of broken down When he's paranoid When he's got the mustache Yeah

[00:38:28] Like then I buy him a little more But at the beginning of the movie He's like And everyone else around him In the group is younger than him By and large Yeah By at least five years or whatever Right Which makes a difference I just think

[00:38:42] He's very effective in this You need someone who's got The movie star energy It is a bag of tricks performance I think it is You need the movie So you're right You need a marquee idol Like it has to be And just so it's got that glow

[00:38:53] I don't know who else Could have been Dillinger Also it was weird to rewatch this And kind of watch it through the lens of like It being about depth sort of like last ride Essentially also like The public turning on depth

[00:39:06] This is the last time he looks good Right Yeah and he's still handsome in this movie I think he's very handsome in this movie He's a little drawn And you can sort of see That kind of vampire depth is coming But you also feel like

[00:39:17] At this point you're like Maybe he's gonna age well Like he had not aged for so long Where it was crazy Where it's like depth 40 He still looks 20 And then at this point you're like Depts 46 He looks like 40 38 Right It was something to do with the fact

[00:39:33] That he drinks one cask of wine a day Yes Right But Well no His brain is poisoned What he does is He hires someone to drink a cask of wine And then he drinks their blood He taps their neck Yes

[00:39:50] I do think there is that kind of thing And it's one of these weird things About depth that we're like constantly reckoning with Now as a culture where we're like Oh but we always used to think Like that bad boy thing was kind of cool

[00:40:02] And now that we know that he's not just A bad boy but he might be a bad guy You look back at some of the earlier stuff And you're like That was kind of fucked Yeah You're like the whole time all those signs were there

[00:40:14] That he might be Was not the most up and up guy You're 100% right In the same way with Dillinger Where it's like Oh my god America loves this guy He's like sticking it to the banks And giving it back to the people And he loves his ladies

[00:40:27] And he sticks up for his guys And you're like real rage issues Yeah and when people start dying It's hard to essentially rebound back from that And that was the thing that I don't think they really touch on in this But sometime like maybe six months into his

[00:40:42] Sort of run a guy does get killed In one of their bank robberies And Dillinger could not reckon with the fact And how that would affect his record And he didn't deny it Vietmilly because he didn't want that sort of Staying on like the public image

[00:40:56] Of that like Robin Hood persona He wanted to have And so he was like a guy didn't die That had nothing to do with me Like I'm not responsible Well that's the stuff I love in the movie That I think man is really tapped into

[00:41:07] Is the movie star stuff And this whole notion of like He's this bank robber who's really obsessed With the public image And not wanting to lose the public He's like fuckin LeBron with his stats Where he's like I gotta get a rebounds a game

[00:41:20] With the bank robbery in this much time And you have to get this much money Yeah and they give the people back their money At the bank they just take the banks money But it's like nice to win in Nice to kiss I watched his witcher Anna

[00:41:32] And when he did that She was like oh And I'm like yeah That was their whole thing Right But also this like This golden age of crime like the last gasp And then you have like guys like John R.T. is coming in

[00:41:44] Being like we can just do like wire transfers Like we can just like You don't have to be like Put it on this whole show He's like you're annoying now Right It's like he made the FBI happen Right

[00:41:56] And then the FBI cracked down on all the other guys Who had like good systems, you know Yeah we showed But this movie is The whole song and dance routine is what's appealing to him though Exactly Cause in the end of the day What does he do?

[00:42:08] He steals some money from a bank And every time he does it It's a whole fucking thing And he has to lie low And he has to like Shack up at some farm house These people are like Jesus John Dillinger he was like Eating all the biscuits Right

[00:42:22] But um Yeah but that's right That's why the digital is so cool Cause this is like about like the end of Analog, right? You know it's like You know just the old mom and pop Bank robbing just doesn't do it anymore Yeah You know the outfit

[00:42:36] They just want to like take 5% From every criminal transaction That's how they'll make money Right that moment where he's asked them Like how much did he make from that bank job And he like says the number with pride And Ortiz is like

[00:42:47] We make that here every single day You know fucking office That's your biggest score ever Right Um I love a shady phone room Like bank room Oh yeah That to me I'm like With the big chalkboard and all the like Yes, yes I love that That's like also

[00:43:03] That's like Peaky Blinder kind of stuff too My favorite show My favorite show Now here's the movie Put it in a siren Cause they're gonna talk for 20 minutes now I want to pop on They're gonna get some water Yeah because the razor blades in their hat

[00:43:16] I'm a Peaky Blinder's fan Don't ask me why they're called Peaky Blinder's I know why they're called Peaky Blinder's I'll get you water Thank you Okay Yeah so I just wanted to point that out Shady room Season 4 of Peaky Blinder's is amazing

[00:43:29] I have to get to season 4 for it to be amazing Oh I mean No it's immediately good You said that's the best one No season 4 is just where So it jumps the shark so fully And Adrian Brody Gives a career bad performance that becomes God tier

[00:43:44] Same career bad for Adrian Brody He's got some competition there He's playing some Chinese action movies recently Wait till you see him on Blinder's He's doing like a sort of a Like a Who's he playing Like an Italian 1920s Italian mobster They make him speak so much Italian

[00:44:01] Does he overact at all in this song? Toothpick in the mouth constantly And when you watch him do Does he have like a pizza pie on his hand or something? Like But then when he starts going Is he wearing stanza? He's got 200 stanzas They don't smell at all

[00:44:15] Stacked upon his head at once Um But then he starts going toe to toe with Tom Hardy Who is also a career best Isn't Tom Hardy playing like an evil rabbi? Orthodox Jewish mobster And they're fighting over the Russia Shana Shroom It's crazy

[00:44:33] He learned the word shalom that morning I just like this idea that Peaky Blinder's Like hires an actor and they're like What's your actual cultural background? Well yes The polar opposite of that is That's what's crazy about watching Nothing tops airstrike

[00:44:47] Adrian Brody's face on the poster for airstrike I've never seen this image before and I love it Please for me find the one There's like a Chinese action epic That has Adrian Brody, Nicholas Cage And I want to say Jackie Chan in it Sure I mean sounds good

[00:45:01] Get that poster Three good actors Because it looks like Brody trying to out cage cage Oh Oh is it this one? Is it called I'm sorry it's not cage it's Q-Sack It's Brody and Q-Sack Oh yes yes I know what you're talking about

[00:45:14] And both of them are trying to become the new cage Of weird money laundering movies Right right I believe you're right that Jackie Chan I think it's called Dragonblade Yes and I think he's got the Ann Jackie Chan Oh Deserved Yeah That one's pretty wild

[00:45:29] I'm trying to find the wildest poster Because I don't know I mean he looks silly There's no question Let's see Let's see Oh that's silly It's silly I think Q-Sack's still beat them up back It's no season 4 of Peaky Blinders But it is silly Q-Sack literally looks like

[00:45:51] Why am I wearing a Legionnaire costume right now? You know what I mean He just looks baffled Chicago legend John Q-Sack Big Chicago Big Chicago another big He's big right He's tall Adrian Brody's a Queens boy Okay You guys get everything He went to LaGuardia Yeah Okay

[00:46:08] No one in Chicago goes to LaGuardia Hollywood We all go to normal schools Like It is crazy though The cross-back women There's like the three tallest People in Hollywood all come from Chicago Yep Shannon Q-Sack And Hoffner Yep You got it Dad Yes Griffin

[00:46:32] For a lot of us our relationship with credit cards is complicated Tell me about it On Facebook It's complicated With credit card Yeah my personal relationship with credit cards has been Well it's sort of an evolution of Started out as me being like

[00:46:45] Well those seem like a real Trouble area I should avoid that Then phase two is me being like Oh I can spend Oh yeah I don't know Sure give me some And then phase three being like Now I owe all this money

[00:46:58] Right here's my relationship with credit cards Phase one I am scared of these things I don't trust them I don't want to engage I have a checking account And a debit card And that's how I'm going to live my entire life Phase two is my father being like

[00:47:10] Griffin you're an adult You should have a credit score So I'm just going to take out a couple of credit cards in your name And keep them on a shelf I'll never use them and you'll get a credit score

[00:47:19] And phase three is me getting a bunch of bills Because apparently those credit cards with my name on them Have indiscriminately been handed out To other members of my family Who feel like they can do whatever they want Without consequence But this is the point David Hypothetically speaking

[00:47:33] We all have complicated relationships With credit cards You feel like the ultimate freedom Like it did for you Yeah but then You also get a lot of financial trouble Yeah some interest charges You know some fees that came out of nowhere

[00:47:47] Right long terse phone calls with family members This is the thing I want to tell you about a new kind of credit card company Okay Okay Yep go ahead I'm going to put my pedal to the metal Okay Talking about pedal Oh yes Spelled with it to you

[00:48:02] That doesn't really line up Pedal is a new credit card company A flower pedal Yes that wants to help you succeed financially It might change the way you think about credit It's got an app that's designed to help you Spend responsibly rather than

[00:48:14] Just go into debt and then oh my I mean that sounds great You know this is the thing You can qualify for higher limit Yeah I don't think you should always spend to that woman No Pedals app lets you track your credit card spending

[00:48:29] Against your own personal budget And they want to help you build your credit score They reward you with more cash back when you pay on time You can get 1% cash back right away And 1.5% cash back when you make 12 On-time monthly payments

[00:48:42] So it's kind of a credit card that's trying to like Keep you on the straight and narrow And we have to note that Pedal is partnered With Web Bank member FDIC And Web Bank issues the Pedal Visa card

[00:48:53] We definitely have to make sure they really can pay that Yep You know it's about time If you ask me let me just check my watch here Tap tap tap tap tap Yeah you know what It's about 15 minutes past the time

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[00:49:25] Well David I'll say all of this sounded really easy The last part's a little stressful for me You're telling me that I need Slash himself from Guns N' Roses To write a check to put up the money For me to start an account on Pedal

[00:49:38] I gotta get a slash check? PedalCard.com Slash check Publark Enemars Publark Enemars Jason Clark gets John Depp out of jail Jason Clark as Red Hamilton I love Jason Clark And you know I always look at the mugshot Not bad casting Not great casting This one's pretty cute

[00:50:01] Who looks the most sort of period appropriate I think Yeah cause he's got a potato face I love that face I want to touch his face so bad I love that era like the late 2000s Where Jason Clark will just pop up I love it Pop him up

[00:50:14] I love it cause when I saw this I definitely did not know who like Jason Clark was And now to rewatch I was like oh Jason Clark's in here This thing's got a lot of Like Terry Mulligan for two shots Two shots Bizarre That was kind of annoying

[00:50:27] Before an education had even come out But she was still Sally fucking Sparrow You know Show some respect Best ever episode I agree with that That's my favorite one What else is Clark popping up in Right around now let's see He had done Brotherhood On Showtime right

[00:50:43] Oh that's right Brotherhood With Jason Isaacs Good show Never seen I think that's Rhode Island gangsters No cable back home In Chicago I never saw it But the subway ads were great He played the New York Fed chief And Wall Street Money Never Sleeps Oh Spoiler Spoiler

[00:51:00] About the money It never sleeps Don't tell me that I haven't seen it yet There's that movie Lawless Oh Which was party Hardy with the batteries in the pockets That was always the thing That was supposed to be like A big deal movie Cause it was announced as

[00:51:14] Ben's handing us fruit snacks Oh my gosh Yes I do need this Who's the host as well Thank you What cause it was What John Helco right Who had made the proposition Which was so fucking good And everyone was like This guy's gonna be Big deal director

[00:51:26] Big big deal And then it was announced as Gosling and LeBuff Gosling LeBuff, Franco and Amy Adams Right And then it became Chastain Chastain Clark Hardy LeBuff Hardy Gary Oldman's in it Jason Clark Guy Pierce Playing an insane ghost A lot of faces He's got like no eyebrows

[00:51:45] I never saw it Everyone said it would be too violent for me It's somewhat violent It's mostly boring Can you imagine How fucking bug no-nose Must have been between Hardy and LeBuff I can't imagine If only I was there LeBuff on the up And you know

[00:52:00] Hardy coming up You know what I mean Like LeBurre I guess LeBuff on the down swing And Hardy coming up LeBuff's are yeah Cresting Yeah This is when LeBuff Has like not Had a flop Right Yeah I don't know What we're talking about Lawless Jason Clark

[00:52:17] Right so Jason Clark Is bringing Johnny Depp Johnathan Depp John Dillinger Into prison Correct And they're like They're doing the old Chewbacca Yes That's what they're doing He's pretending That he's the lawman Yeah so they called it back then They did In the Midwest That's a Chewbacca

[00:52:33] Chewbacca is a Chewbacca Real Chewbacca Come on They say a lot of come on Come on Come on Come on Come on Come on With the flat-aids Don't do that again I swear to God Mike Dicka Is he in this movie? Mike Dicka is in this movie

[00:52:48] Yeah he plays the law He's in the bank Yeah Don't you rob me I got real pressure I like to say pinch in this movie Pinch Pinch There's a lot of good little phrases In here I love But it's an old Chewbacca

[00:53:01] And in fact they've been smuggling guns Into their guys So now Steven Dorf Ooh Dorf Sexy Good performance Very good in this He's got a great face Right And this sort of opening Very little dialogue The guy's taken over It's a classic man stuff And the viscerality of

[00:53:22] And the immediacy of The thing that Engley always says About why he's so obsessed with high frame rate Where he's like I want to remove the window This movie feels like the window's gone A little bit Without having to be high frame rate Bullshit

[00:53:34] When you guys always talk about Dark Knight And Nolan's sort of referencing Man And this opening really feels that way Yes Especially And this is the year after Dark Knight And now he's using Nolan's guy Oh is he? Well he's I'm saying he's using Christian Bale Yeah

[00:53:51] Not camera guy He's using Dante Spiney Who's his regular guy This is his classic camera guy But yes you're correct He's using Christian Bale In David Sims nominated performances Melvin Purvis I just simply don't understand this Hard to make fun Can you give me your time

[00:54:03] I mean I think this is very good I think it's totally fine I think he's very good In a character that does not Ask him to do a bunch I think he's Like there's a couple scenes Where he just blows my mind Doing very little

[00:54:16] I mean my favorite scene His best scene is when he picks up Marion Coteard I agree with that Like all that Where he just looks at the Secretary Oh yeah When she's like You can't treat a woman like that And he's like He's just walked in

[00:54:29] And he looks at the secretary For like one second And you're like He just communicated Like a fucking paragraph It walks into the room Certainly a beautiful Economy to his performance And like he's playing Like the man who was Both publicly and maybe privately

[00:54:44] Like the epitome of the G-man Right Like where it's like I've got no passion here I don't want to get Dillinger Because I hate him Or he's my nemesis It's my job It's my job Right, I'm just But then Hoover is Sort of weaponizing

[00:54:56] The same sort of media That's making these gangsters Into I-Cons I think He did a little bit They just don't talk about that much Right in this But also this movie Doesn't talk about the fact That Hoover came to like Resent Purvis Because he was so famous

[00:55:10] And he pushed him Purvis like had this thing Of not being particularly charismatic Which I think like That does a good job With that this guy was like About the job He did love talking to the press Right About sort of like Where things were going

[00:55:23] That is where like Hoover That scene is good That scene is great I love that scene When he's doing the conference And Hoover you can tell Is getting a little jealous Right and it's also His key is that He's so straightforward Like that's his sort of

[00:55:34] Magic trick with the press Right, doesn't he make a joke It's like how did you You know how did you come To catch a pretty boy for it He's like in an Apple or a Another like It's a good counter to that Dillinger scene

[00:55:44] Yeah we gotta talk about Where Dillinger's Like doing the press conference In the jail You're playing it up But yes this idea that We'll talk about pretty boy Floyd Hoover was using the Crime busters and the G-men And making his own news reels And all these things

[00:56:00] Making a whole Making up a thing That didn't exist The G-man He wanted to be the star Of those narratives Like I'm the professor Ex of the G-men And I'm more important That he presented that Purvis became his own kind of thing

[00:56:12] Well and he's got the chip on his shoulder About the fact that he was Never really a lawman Like which the senators Call him out on Or they're like he never Arrested anyone You've never been a cop Essentially But that's another thing

[00:56:22] In the first 30 minutes of this movie Where I'm like oh my god You're setting up every piece So well Like you're setting up Every theme And then my problem is After the first 30 minutes They start setting up more And more and more Sure And everything you need

[00:56:35] For the movie is just Kind of in the first 30 minutes Thematically Yeah Of two guys Right and when the book came out And they optioned it I think the idea for a while was Oh we'll do some HBO miniseries Which it's now the obvious thing

[00:56:46] To say but this feels like This subject especially if the Book covers this many people Is like a perfect fucking HBO show thing It's kind of what Boardwalk Empire tried to do Later right Yeah In a fictionalized sort of way Not much longer after this Right yeah

[00:57:01] A couple years later Right But You see the couple of movies That man Maybe could have focused on is like Is it the heat Cat and mouse Their mirror image guys The difference between Purvis and Dillinger Is it the idea of this Like Kind of nihilistic

[00:57:20] Like Nair Deweyle Robin Hood Banker who just like Does it all for the people Bank robber Yeah sorry Banker Finding one actual Human connection in the last Couple months of his life Right That makes him want to Actually figure out Is it about this whirlwind year

[00:57:36] Of just sort of Like the rapid fire succession Of all this It's an elegant Like right it's also It's like this is the end Of the The quote unquote Wild West in this Right you know But it is one of those Movies that feels like

[00:57:49] As it's going along Like I am very aware That movies are not made In order Sure But you're watching it And you're just like Oh did they forget about That the crewtup is in this That Hoover's in this Are you not doing anything Else with him

[00:58:03] Okay but the most Of course is pretty boy Floyd played by chantats Chantats You love to see him You simply love to see him Get shot and fallen on our career This feels like Michael Mann went to His casting director Whoever it was And was like

[00:58:17] This is character pretty boy Floyd Who's pretty right now Yes Like get me a pretty boy Yeah And she was like This kid's chanting's popping Yeah The other thing Was that chanting I think was at the beginning Of his like I want to fight against

[00:58:31] Being a pretty boy thing Like get me in Like people Let's take a look at Channing Tatums Is this the senior G.I. Joe Yeah So a guy To recognizing your saints Is 06 Which is his first like Performance where you're like This guy's got some

[00:58:45] And step up is 06 Which is his Right He's good man It's a break up Yeah And then Doesn't really do much Until step up to The streets Which is cameo parents And stop loss Which goes nowhere So 09 He's got fighting Which is a pretty bad movie Same director

[00:59:02] You don't want to But he's kind of good in it Public enemies For five seconds G.I. Joe Dear John is 2010 That's when he starts to blow up And by 2011 is not really a hot year For him It's like the dilemma in the eagle 2012 is when it's like

[00:59:18] Hey wire 21 John Street Magic Mike Oh Side effects 2013 Yeah 2013 is side effects This is the end White House down G.I. Joe 2 Don John France favorite movie My body Cameo in that one We played the star of the romantic comedy Is that right In Don John

[00:59:38] That he keeps seeing when he's like It's like him in half the way I think so Yeah I mean I've seen The first seven minutes But this is what's fascinating about him It's like 2014 is where we're like This is it He's the guy Tatum's gonna be the guy

[00:59:50] He's got Fox catcher which he's great in Should have gotten the Oscar nomination He's great Ruffalo's good too though Over Currell He should have been nominated for best lead Oh yeah I agree Fat nos for Rottu That's your joke It's a great joke And 22 Jump Street

[01:00:07] Which makes plenty of money right So everyone's like Hell yeah And then instead in 2015 He got Jupiter sending with bombs Magic Mike X XL Which rules but doesn't make a lot of money I mean does well He's so good It doesn't make like Magic Mike money Yes

[01:00:22] He's great in it You know his cameo in the hateful A 2016 Hail Caesar Hail Caesar He's incredible Incredible And like Logan Lucky is great I still love Channing But I feel like he's now just not in things I don't know what the fuck What's he doing now

[01:00:37] Well he got divorced last year I feel like he's got personal life stuff That he's maybe taken over Now he's in this very public Instagram relationship with Jesse J Really? Yeah that's who he's dating now Dang dang He has nothing in production Well he and Joseph Gordon Leavitt

[01:00:54] Have had that like buddy musical Sort of like floating for probably like five years now But it's not like they want to do But also he is not Joseph Gordon Leavitt is like not doing anything Of course he is

[01:01:04] He was Migo in small foot as we all know Of course But his first His last like Non-voice performance Was Kingsman the Golden Circle Which he barely counts Cause he gets like knocked out five minutes in Which you know he was supposed to be

[01:01:18] The fucking Pedra Pascal character Right And the Channing character Were obviously supposed to be one character Right And then he had some other conflict And so they were like We're gonna put you in a coma Split the character And maybe you can spin it off or whatever

[01:01:32] But they're never gonna do a third one now They're doing a third one No they are prequel That's happening It's a prequel Yeah yeah but it's a prequel So what it's Mark Strong centric No it's that World War I Ah who cares It's that far back Who cares

[01:01:45] I want it all in on Mark Strong I do love how where it's like With Kingsman where they're like Who else is like a hot British guy You know like Can we talk about Pretty Boy Floyd's Thing that he says to purpose Because the last words are wrong

[01:01:59] And his real last words are so much better His real last words are good But I don't know if I agree with you I think his last words and this are pretty good His real life ones were Fuck you I'm going Wow Which is Pretty good Good

[01:02:12] Fuck you I'm good Cause they were like Trying to ask him all these questions Like fuck you I'm going Wow Amazing I mean I do believe I love that I love that it's one scene Yeah That it's just sprinkled in Part of this like

[01:02:24] You know it's all over All these movie stars You know bank robber stars are dying Right Like it's no fun anymore In real life after Dillinger was shot though Dillinger was the first big guy to go Whereas in this you like Feel the sort of like

[01:02:37] The walls close in On him it's like By this point I think By the time Dillinger dies The guys who are dead Or going to be executed in jail Are basically from his crew It's like You know the Jason Clark The Dorf All these

[01:02:50] Or Dorf still alive I think But his other two guys David Wenham and the other one Are like both in jail Public enemies Public enemies I think babyface Nelson Kind of vibe with that guy's energy Played by Stephen Graham In a classic 11 out of 10 Like performance for real

[01:03:13] I love this He has the best Chicago accent Of anyone He has the best line In the movie Right In my opinion Which is when they're at Little Bohemia Lodge Up in Manitowish Which I'll talk about Manitowish later Because I've been to Manitowish

[01:03:27] Is it just going to be That you've been to Manitowish? Whatever that is David you'll find out Yeah Leave me alone He has the best Can you knock him up on me? The back does fuck off dude What am I a bank? He has the best line

[01:03:40] In the movie where He's like trying to get them To all stay out And I just want to have it Verbatim Or he just like turns The guy at the table And goes this your wife You egg You dumb egg This your wife You dumb egg

[01:03:52] I love that Oh it's so good Calling someone an egg To bring them back now Calling people egg This your wife You dumb egg What are you a Freaking night egg I love calling someone an egg A dumb egg Implying that there are Smart eggs

[01:04:05] Any kind of eggs I'm all Oh my god He's so good His accent's amazing This is only a couple years Before he's going to play Al Capone In Boardwalk Empire Which he is also amazing So I Like He's just got He's a British Character actor Who I guess

[01:04:22] Someone just realized like If we could just Give this guy a Chicago accent He's perfect Like for any Like old gangster movie And I Before you guys got here And David got here late I was looking up What his sort of four things On IMDb were

[01:04:35] Because he's only someone Because he's one of those guys In a bunch of things That I'm only just now being like Okay this is This is all Stephen Graham But I was looking up His four IMDb things Sure And you gotta believe That one of them is

[01:04:46] From the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean movie Where we all remember He plays a character named Scrum Yes Right But if you had that I was like of course Scrum He's in the The debt barrel movie So do you Do you think debt What a debt barrel

[01:05:01] Do you think debt collects him Depts like I got just the guy For you You need a Chicago pirate Imagine debt collecting you What a grimdurt affair Hey David Inevitably We can run all we want But debt comes for us all Those little spindly fingers Jesus

[01:05:16] One way or another Dep will collect our souls Like you're gonna either See a good boy Or you'll see debt And if you see debt You'll be like fuck I'm going hell Fuck you He's like you are mighty Ah, sweetie Let's bring him back I'm gonna shave

[01:05:31] I don't know if this I'm behind on your On your Burton episodes Why it's a quick breeze But I don't 19 movies Rack them But I don't know if you guys Talk about Or if David mentions The time that David And I were waiting for The subway together

[01:05:49] And there was a poster For Green Book And we were talking about Sweeney Todd's sort of unrelated And David just turns to me And goes What if Sweeney Todd Was in Green Book Like the most casual Question in the world And it's ruined Sweeney Todd for me

[01:06:01] It's ruined Green Book An already bad thing for me But I think about it Constantly He's like Sweeney's in the back of the car The fact, I mean I assume the implication is It's not just someone Playing Sweeney Todd But specifically Johnny Depp's Like that Sweeney Right

[01:06:18] They should have put him In some more movies Just Sweeney He's just like In the incredible Hulk Right, people didn't like this musical I'll go for ya Make his throat sing I want you bleeders He's in like an anti-myers movie Like going on a date with Meryl Streep

[01:06:36] I'm a barber I heard you're a demon barber Just regular barber Bars How about a Tug of Gin David! David! Yes, what's up? Hot town somewhere in the city You know what I'm saying? Todd outside, yes I'm aware It's been brutal It has been a brutal

[01:07:05] It has been a brutal That's true And I think that people aren't talking about Is New York City's smell terrible right now? It's a stinky place I was on the subway here And you know the subway had its own smell And then the doors opened

[01:07:18] And a whole new smell entered From one station It's tough And it's not like one is good and one is bad They're all bad All the smells out there are bad All bad, all different Very bad And it's not a new Like the X-Men all knew all different

[01:07:31] It is like the X-Men all knew all different It's not a new X-Men specific thing Because I tweeted I said you know what I don't like it when it's this hot outside And people said Hey, you know what I don't like it When it's this hot outside

[01:07:41] In my part of the world In my neck of the woods either Right So I think we're dealing right now With what the scientists would call A stinky earth It's a stinky place right now I think it's a sticky, stinky earth right now

[01:07:55] And it's kind of amazing how You can really solve What we're talking about Flutter flutter flutter Tweet tweet tweet With just like a simple column Oh look we just landed on my finger David Yeah I held my finger out Like Snow White herself And hmm

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[01:08:27] Because if you buy one bottle There's no way you're going to go through Through that in like years You're a wild horseman You can't be tamed down You can't commit to one scent You need to rotate Well no it's more of that I really have respect

[01:08:41] For people who make fragrances And for the tradition of it Because it's a human thing That's existed for a really long time It's so easy to poo poo it Just like you poo poo fashion You're like why would you put cologne on I already smell good

[01:08:55] Well it helps with the poo poo smells You smell like bad deodorant Yeah yeah I know So class yourself up a little bit Ben this is the problem Anytime I buy a bottle of cologne It's like you know extremely expensive And I never use it

[01:09:05] And it just sits on my shelf Gathering dust I still haven't ran through My Michael Jordan cologne That was in 1997 It's scent bird Then working on one bottle They send you like a little Bit of the frig Not a substantial amount But it's a practical amount

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[01:09:49] And it's masculine But it's subtle I really just like it That is what the cologne is called Well the name of the company Is confessions of a rebel And the cologne is called About last night That's right Hey I was going to ask about last night

[01:10:05] Tom Ford makes really great stuff Yes those are some of the ones I got I got some ford I just like an auteur You know You can make a my cologne Look maybe someday we'll do A Tom Ford mini series And we'll cover the cologne

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[01:11:30] About they rob some fucking bang The golden age of crime Jason Clark, Stephen Dorff David Wenham weird career Yeah definitely Bush did 9-11 I'm very tempted to just repeat My old cutie art Please do Mike was a gorffine Yeah so he meets Her at a restaurant

[01:11:55] At the air con And her club Had a ballroom Sure where Fran once Saw some people And some teens waiting for a G-Eazy This is sort of an uptown What I will say About a lot of this movie And a lot of the Dillinger stuff Uptown movie

[01:12:06] Yeah uptown movie Or just like East east up East and up Okay East Lake View, which is where I live my last two years up through like Uptown Franny Hoffs is what this is called. Uptown Franny Hoffs, yeah. Uptown Franny Hoffs.

[01:12:19] Franny is like a nickname I do accept but like you have to make that choice, you know? Yeah, to really want it. To call me that. Right, right. You're saying you'll never suggest it. I'll never suggest it but I'll answer to it.

[01:12:31] What you mostly use is a nickname. Yeah, it is and I'll answer to Francis too. But it's like again you got it. Francis is your full? Full name, yeah. I didn't know Francine. How dare. Frenchella. Sure. Uh-huh. No, it's Francis. Quite an up-down fran there. Uptown Franny Hoffs.

[01:12:49] I always lived like north and towards the lake because my belief in Chicago is like why would you live in the best city in America and not want to be by the giant lake that is basically an ocean? No, New York has a river. What?

[01:13:04] Get to see the. So does Chicago have a river and a lake. Oh, you said Best City in America was. The boat tour. Yeah, I don't understand what you're saying. What? Boat tour. On the lake? No, it's just a big lake. You just get to look at it.

[01:13:17] It's so and you're like wow. It's a big honkin lake. It's a big honkin lake and so a lot of this Dillinger stuff does take place in sort of like Edgewater, Uptown, Eastlakeview.

[01:13:27] A lot of his hideouts were like I was doing a lot of Google Maps saying while reading this book and it's like you go around Chicago and it's like Dillinger was here and Capone was here. Yeah, big hot spot. Come on. Enough.

[01:13:39] And it's like you don't really believe that these guys were everywhere that you hear that they are and then reading this book it's like oh, the Dillinger hideout was around the block from my last apartment I ever lived in.

[01:13:51] Billy Frichette's apartment is like across the street from a different apartment I used to live in. Your landlord was a bullet. Yeah, there it is. That's a great joke. That one gets 10 comedy points. 10 comedy points. You just stole 10 comedy points. Hey. Yeah, money.

[01:14:07] I mean your comedy points in life. Give me that point. Yeah, right? I'm just thinking now about... This all sounds very complicated. It's a pretty easy to navigate city with a grid system and the lake is to the east so you always know where to orient yourself.

[01:14:21] I never know where I am here because there's no lake. You know? Yeah, when the numbers are going up. Yeah, but where's the lake? The lake in Central Park. Hey. That's a pond. It's actually a reservoir. Everyone just went real quiet. It's the Jackie and Asus Reservoir.

[01:14:38] Oh my... I guess so. God. You could cut the air with a knife. Wow. Right now. Reached to a home. Oh, okay. Wait a second. Fran Jewels. Wait a second. Get the fuck out of here. Wait a second. God, there's fucking jewel clouds climbing the sky right now.

[01:14:58] Oh my god, Ben. I just needed that to get through that moment because I felt myself sort of overcome with rage. Fran, what's your flavor? It's cucumber. Wow. All right, so Ben's favorite is mint and cucumber and mint. They feel like sister flavors, I guess.

[01:15:12] Yeah, I think they're on sort of the same level. What other can I get though? Like what other flavors? They got cranberry, mango. Not exactly. Mangoes for children, I think. Yes. Mangoes for children. Crumber lays for children. What's mango? Mango. Oh, I don't know.

[01:15:28] Ben said I went with it. I was thinking that I kind of want to vape in an acting role. If I ever work ever like a vapor. Jude Law, Ike VoxLux. I feel like people haven't really made a lot at on-screen vaping yet.

[01:15:42] You know there are nerdy vapors. Of course. Who have the rigs with all the like you can control the voltage. I don't know why you're suggesting to me I play a nice cool super laid back vapor. I'm so sorry. Control the voltage? What? Yeah.

[01:16:01] So you know how there's those videos where people have like massive vape clouds? Because they turn the voltage up so it's just cooking that oil baby. Have I ever said by the time I went to go see a movie? This is the choice you've made Fran.

[01:16:12] You associate with these dinguses. Well this is why I got the jewel. Because you want to be like that? Well, yeah that's why. No, I just kept finding myself sort of involved with people who jewel and I was like

[01:16:25] what if I cut out the middleman and buy my own jewel and hang out by myself? Oh that's really smart. Yeah so that sort of that was the thing there. What were you going to say Griffin?

[01:16:35] I was like I went to go see a movie with my mom and I went to the bathroom afterwards and I had to go number two. I had to drop a four and... Fran's upset right now. I had to drop the hammer. Jesus. But I go... We're metaphors.

[01:16:47] I go metaphors. I do my business quickly because I'm a professional. Okay? Right, right, right. You're like Dylan Jury. Minute 40 flat. Right. But like a minute into that minute 40, like five unruly teens come in. Shit, sneaky boys? A couple sneaky boys. Come on, I'm a G-Easy concert?

[01:17:06] Brought it back. They were seemingly in no rush to go anywhere because they just wanted to film themselves doing vape tricks. Feel who's selves. Jesus. So they were doing take after take. I mean the fucking Stanley Kubrick of fucking vape tricks over here. Sure.

[01:17:22] Of them doing this thing and so I'm just in the... And you're like, do I leave? You were afraid to like mess with the shot is what you're saying? You don't want to disrupt the process. There's no us in the bathroom.

[01:17:30] These guys are doing this thing and at a certain point they're like... And this guy's been in the stult. They didn't say guy. Which is the nightmare. Right, they were like this guy's someone's taking a shit in here. Right, right, right. Now you're in the video.

[01:17:40] So now it's been eight minutes. I'm just sitting hostage while these guys are like going like, no, no, no man that was wack. That was wack. New take. We got to try another take. Right.

[01:17:51] I think I was genuinely in there for close to 15 minutes before I was like, fuck this. They're never going to stop. Right, right, right. And I like open the door and they all like look down and were stifling laughter. Right. And I was like...

[01:18:04] Because at this point they're like you basically must have been doing your taxes in there. Right, like you've been in there so long they can't not acknowledge it. Look do I do my taxes when that time comes every year at the AMC Village 7? Of course.

[01:18:16] In the bathroom of course. This was not that time. What movie are you seeing? I'm trying to remember. But they like stifle their laugh and they look down and then one of them goes... You just took a shit. And they all started laughing. Candy observation. Right.

[01:18:31] And then I went, yeah, well at least I didn't spend 10 minutes doing vape tricks. You said no. I said it and walked out of the laugh. Oh my God. My gosh. That's why you're a ghost now. That was where you died. I died. Yeah. Literally dead. Oh, shame.

[01:18:47] Some of my comedy points to that young man. The young man who said, yo you just took a shit? Very good joke. How many points you dappin' him? I'll throw four. Four points for the shit. No, I'll throw two.

[01:19:01] I'll throw two because this is like as appropriate for the story. It might have been Missing Moana for the second time. Jeez. So in public enemies, Jonathan robbs all these banks. Yes. And they bring on Melvin Purvis to go get him after in the movie having killed

[01:19:18] Pretty Boy Floyd. I don't know why you guys are saying this plot's complicated. Simple. I mean, yeah, it is just a guy looking after another guy, but the thing is the FBI doesn't really exist at this point or it's in its inception. It's still the Bureau of Investigation.

[01:19:30] And they're really bad at their jobs. So essentially for the extent of the movie is they're just like fucking up getting Dillinger over and over again. And they haven't invented any crime fighting methods yet.

[01:19:42] It's like that Mulaney joke where it's like you just like I got a hunch. Being a cop. Oh, I died here. Gross. Clean up that blood. No, I wrote that down on my notes. Like that's how bad they are at their jobs.

[01:19:54] And it's also this thing of like, well, when they're having those like congressional hearings about like why this needs to exist. And they're like, how many guys have you arrested? It's like, I haven't, but it's also like a lot of these G-Men didn't know how to fire guns.

[01:20:06] Right. And there's also this like, I mean, bureaucracy on local police who do know how to fire guns. And there's all these like multiple instances of like local police not collaborating with the FBI and then both let everyone get away constantly.

[01:20:21] Well, and that's one of these elements that you feel like would have been its own episode if this were a mini series, which is Purvis being like we got to bring in Texas lawmen. Yeah. Like we need guys who know how to like hunt people down.

[01:20:32] And that's when you bring in land. Sheriff's. Yeah. He just looks like a slab and is awesome in this movie. Right. He's the same year as Avatar. He's so good in this movie. Yes. And he's even more just the facts than Bale.

[01:20:44] It's just that he's also a hard core. No, because isn't he's in Manhunter? Oh, of course. Of course, of course. Yeah. But like in... He's fucking pretty boy Floyd in Manhunter. In the most against type. Yeah. Right. He's playing like Rita Skeeter.

[01:20:59] Have you seen what he looks like in Manhunter? Which one is he in Manhunter? He plays the journalist. Oh, yes. Yes. He gets lit on fire. Yes. I remember. I think I just didn't put it together. No, because like that doesn't look like Stephen Lang. Yes.

[01:21:12] Manhunter and Peter like the two man's man films. I've seen besides this one. He looks like Woody Harrelson. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Like this is him. That's crazy to think those same... Those two men are the same man. Yes. In two different man films.

[01:21:27] He's one of those classic like he hits 50 and figures out what to look like. Yes. I feel like. Right. Right. Go on. But the FBI just like fucks up all these different like, I don't know, like captures and like stakeouts. Yeah. Like the thing is...

[01:21:45] They don't do anything right until they get Dillinger. Right. And they get Dillinger mostly by buying an informant. Because... You know, by pressuring this... And it's that the Chicago underworld has also like sold out Dillinger because he's bringing... The Chicago underworld is sick of him. He's bringing these...

[01:22:00] Yeah. This infrastructure about. Right. But the fuck up at the like apartment building was like maybe not quite as remarkable as that little Bohemia fuck up, which is disastrous in the FBI history. Is that the one where they go in from Babyface Nelson? That's the manatewish one.

[01:22:17] Oh yeah, the apartment one is when they go in... I love that whole sequence. The apartment building. That whole sequence is incredible. You mean where the cars block and turns out like the feds are blocking themselves or whatever. Right. And just like, I think the movie almost doesn't...

[01:22:29] And then it turns out it wasn't even Dillinger at all. It was the other guy. Right. They're like not... Man's just not hammering home how embarrassing this is. I think that kind of is. I mean, I guess it's more just... It's so... No one's ever embarrassing a man.

[01:22:43] Like it's so locked up. But you know... But that also speaks to the... But we'll call him and be like... I think that speaks to the lack of focus in the movie. Sure. Because it felt like it was more just like it's the cat and mouse thing. Right.

[01:22:54] And it was just the back and forth. It would feel like, okay, you're getting this sense of the dialogue happening between these two guys trying to outwit each other. Yeah. But then you have things where it's like... When Kutiyar enters, it's like 20 minutes of just like honey moaning.

[01:23:08] Like the movie becomes like the most overtly romantic thing Michael Mann has ever done. Which is these two movie stars being beautiful and kissing each other a bunch. Then he gets... It's kind of good. Right. It's kind of good. Yeah.

[01:23:23] I mean I'm with her till she says, yeah, Milwaukee. But then he... Then my mama moved us to Milwaukee. She gets so close in every sentence. He gets apprehended. Yeah, in Arizona. Yeah, in Arizona. Goes to jail. His one dialogue scene with Bale is really fucking good. Incredible.

[01:23:38] I mean I love that. That's my other favorite Bale scene. I love that. But that's where I think depth's amazing also. Yeah, depth's great. I think they're both at the best there. Yes. When he says he has no rush to get back to Indiana. I love it.

[01:23:47] And then they take him to Indiana. He does that cool press conference thing. He does that press. And that's all real. He did that. And that's pretty cool. And I love that too. And then the way he was actually talking to her and how she was

[01:23:58] talking to her and how she had this big relationship with the girls and stuff. I love that. The way she talks to her and talks to her and how she had a lot of things going on. It's really cool. And then you kind of get the same thing.

[01:24:10] And then what happened is like, I'm like, oh, there we go. And it's just like, I'm like, that's something I'm like, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, Oh, that's all good. I'm like, I'm like, and she was good at it.

[01:24:22] Give me a movie about her. I know, that's cool. They just said don't really- Starry Moly Taylor preferably. Yeah, she's great. And they have the court case where he's got his boisterous big lawyer, Lewis Pickwett. Yeah, the guy from The Wire. That guy's fucking incredible. That's incredible.

[01:24:36] That guy is so- And that's almost verbatim also. He's a real sort of like Willy Stark figure. He is just like an over stuff bratwurst. Like right? He's just like- That's what I like to hear. Right? Yeah. And that guy has played so many Irishmen and like, right?

[01:24:50] Yeah. I love that actor. But it's also like, I don't know. But like, and then you know, Depp breaks out of jail. We can talk about that with the wooden gun sort of after that. But then it's like, the FBI like didn't have tales

[01:25:02] on any of the people affiliated with Dillinger. Like they never had a tale on his lawyer who he was meeting with once a week after breaking out of jail. Just like these simple things. This is the thing, you have to break a few eggs. They were a few-

[01:25:12] Filled dumb eggs. Dumb eggs, you know? Night eggs, dumb eggs. To figure out how to do all this. And it's not that Dillinger was like amazing at this. It's just he was good- He's not amazing at it all. He walks into a bank point

[01:25:24] so God had someone leave. That's all he can do. It's not like he's good at this. Yeah, but it was a gold mage. He's not a genius. These guys were artists back then. Sometimes you gotta break a couple of dumb eggs to make a dumb omelet.

[01:25:34] We forgot to mention, yes exactly. That's the tagline to night eggs I think. It's gotta ring to it. You're bringing dumb and night. I feel like it should be night eggs. Should break a couple of night eggs to make a couple night omelettes. Night omelettes? Oh yeah.

[01:25:48] All right. But thanks for letting me workshop that guy. Yeah, it's just like the FBI were workshopping. Me and Graz for the mirror. We forgot to mention that early in the bank robbing scene where the guy dies. There's that great shot of him not being dragged along.

[01:26:01] That's the best shot in the whole movie. Where he's using a piece of score from Hans Zimmer's pin-rid line score which is bonkers. Oh weird, yeah. And that's what you're talking about. Dillinger's whole like no one ever dies around me because I'm fucking invincible thing.

[01:26:16] And then anytime anyone does die it's like another sort of like Right, another like piece of his armor shaped off. There's something here. I mean, you know, like film has its own speed and it changes performances. And that's where, you know, there are all these like

[01:26:32] sort of idioms about like, you know, the camera adds 10 pounds and everything slowed down on film. So you want to move super fat, all these things. And then when you put it in like a video like this I feel like all these speeds change.

[01:26:46] And for whatever reason, performance and the format on which it's being captured. This movie gets so right. I say as if I know from experience but it feels like it captures the moment when life leaves someone's eyes. Yes, yes.

[01:27:02] Like that moment when he's holding the guy outside the car but all's gonna happen is that Jason Clark too. He's incredible, that's it. Oh my God, I love Clark in this movie. And I love when Dillinger brings Billy home and then there's that like quick shot of

[01:27:13] Jason Clark brings some other woman in his room. And it's just like ladies, if John Dillinger brings you home you go with Jason Clark. That's the guy you go in the room with. There's something about the messiness of video that's able to pick up on those little details

[01:27:25] where when someone just shuts off it's even more startling. Cause the other best death scene I've ever seen is fucking Billy Lin. Right. When Vinny D kills the guy in the tunnel. That's an incredible scene. And you're just like this is the only time

[01:27:41] that the death scene has ever looked realistic. Right. I don't know. Never seen that. You haven't taken the walk? Haven't taken the walk. I love that up though. Oh wow. Love that up, very special. More people it's not impossible that more people listen to that episode

[01:27:55] that have watched that movie considering it's embarrassingly low box office thing. At least in this country. In its proper format as intended. Oh in its proper format, right. I think more people have probably listened to the podcast. I agree with you.

[01:28:08] So basically they have this like big fuck up in Wisconsin at the like little Bohemia Lodge where I have not been but I have been to Manitowish, Wisconsin because one of my closest friends worked up there for like four years and instead

[01:28:21] this was one of the places we could have had dinner when I was up there and instead I opted I will say for a restaurant called Gooch's. Because I was like I gotta go to a place called Gooch's. It doesn't sound like you made a bad choice.

[01:28:31] We had a great meal but my buddy was saying he's a teacher up there and that they do take students to the little Bohemia Lodge every sort of year and there are still like bullet holes there and it's like totally like fully operating

[01:28:42] like Airbnb, not Airbnb regular B&B sort of like hotel setup. With bullet holes? Yeah in the walls. They just, yeah. And they did shoot it there but like that whole situation was such a fuck up because what the movie I think doesn't do

[01:28:57] a great job explaining is that they killed civilians leaving in that. That's like they saw a car going as they were doing the stake out and assumed it was like Dillinger and Cobb but it's like it was a hotel. Other people were staying there

[01:29:09] and they were all leaving and then they like opened fire on like a car. The Continental Breakfast Bar. Well, Steven Graham's inside calling people dumb eggs. They're just like opening fire on like civilians. Yeah, no good very bad don't do it.

[01:29:23] And Dillinger after that really like cannot show his face and so that's like that's it with him and Billy Frischette in like real life because he's just like I can't go back to you because like they're gonna tell you because they're looking for me

[01:29:35] after this whole big fuck up. Right, cause in real life they only did it for like four months or something? Yeah, it's like crazy short. And then it's like then they did arrest her but then after that he's like, oh yeah I can't go back to Billy

[01:29:44] because like they've got tails on Billy. And so he has this new girlfriend, Polly Hamilton. I love her and she looks so good in this movie and like why no more. I wish there was more of that. That Polly Hamilton character is interesting because she was always like,

[01:29:57] I'm not dating Dillinger and like honest sage in real life was like that's Dillinger. And then she's like, are you Dillinger? And he's just like well and then she's like I don't think he's Dillinger like and he had introduced himself as Jimmy or whatever

[01:30:08] and she's like I just don't think so. But that was just like. Wow. And like never went on the record as ever like knowing like in all interviews was just sort of like no there's my boyfriend Jimmy like really sort of stuck to it.

[01:30:17] But like whereas didn't Billy Frischette sort of cash in after his death? Yeah, yeah. Give me all these speeches being like crime does not pay. For example number one, John Dillinger shot in the face by Stephen Lang. I believe she did a touring review show

[01:30:28] called Crime Does Not Pay. Hell yeah. With the Dillinger family. Yeah. But yeah they do, when they come back to her it is if they do go to the lake. Yeah. Sit out on the beach, have a very deep conversation I will say everyone who's. About the bears.

[01:30:43] No. Oh what brand is producing a Tommy Gunner? David. And loading it? David that's not fine they talk about the bull. Getting really riled. Everyone who's ever lived in Chicago has don't. Midwestern people don't get angry.