Ratatouille with Romilly Newman and Joey Sims

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check In many ways the work of a critic is easy

[00:00:23] We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgement We thrive on negative criticism which is fun to write and to read

[00:00:34] But the bitter truth we critics must face is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so But there are times when a critic truly risks something

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[00:01:07] To say that both the podcast and its podcaster have challenged my preconceptions about fine podcasting as a gross understatement They have rocked me to my core In the past I have made no secret of my disdain for producer Ben's famous motto, anyone can podcast

[00:01:26] But I realize only now do I truly understand what he meant Not everyone can become a great podcaster, but a great podcaster can come from anywhere It's difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius

[00:01:40] Now podcasting at Audio Boom who is in this critic's opinion nothing less than the finest podcaster in France You talking about me? David Sim Hey thanks Of course I caught up on my emails during that Yeah, well we were both rushing and late

[00:02:01] We're rushing to start now because we're starting late So I thought I'd give everyone a little time to settle in Yeah, yeah, we're settled in By writing a four page little I saw a lot of email catching up too Oh no, no, you're on Wait a second Huh?

[00:02:14] Did you just introduce a guest before they spoke on Mike? Not introducing anyone, just talking Geez Louise, my name is Griffin Newman David Sims We're doing a blank check with Griffin and Dave It's a podcast about filmography, directors with a massive success Early on in their career

[00:02:25] They're giving us series of blank checks to make whatever the crazy passion projects they want Sometimes they're clear and sometimes they bounce baby Yes, correct, thank you We're hashtag the two friends Only two friends watch the podcast together It's a competitive advantage We're also contests to context Yes

[00:02:39] But here's another thing we have in comment We are not only children Very yes, yes Is that an attack on me Griffin? Oh, I forgot you're an only child Yeah, I'm alone Ben making it hard to round out our trilogy of sibling choice episodes

[00:02:56] That's fine, we're just doing this instead Ben's dad not super into the idea of being on the podcast Refuses to do it Oh, I would love to listen to that A flat-out refusal I would love to listen to that too But we did

[00:03:09] I don't know if I'd love to record it I would love, the more he hated it, the more I would make it It would be Clifford It would be the movie Clifford recorded on Mike No, he wouldn't talk about Clifford He's like a nice polite man

[00:03:20] He's nice, but I would push his button You wouldn't rage him The goal would you would rage him Brodin starts out fairly reasonable in Clifford It's kind of a dick though I want to say I want to say Mason? Alright So right now we're doing a miniseries

[00:03:40] On the films of Brad Bird And it's called the podcastables That's right But in the past, as palette cleansers in between miniseries We've done two sibling choice episodes That's right You brought your brother Joey Sim I brought my sister, Ronald Newman

[00:03:55] And we let them pick a movie to talk about But Both of them, when we threw to them and said Am I right to suggest this? Is there something else you want to talk about? Both of them threw out the same movie As one share

[00:04:10] That was the first thing you said Was it? Yes, 100% And I projected onto Ron what movie I thought she'd want to talk about And she said, yeah, either that or blank Right We're not going to talk about what the movie is Never And so we decided

[00:04:25] When we chose to do a miniseries on Brad Bird This is the time to unite the siblings And bring them both back to talk about a movie That all four of us share That's right Ladies and gentlemen, today we're talking to You're out of talking You said like

[00:04:43] Did I not just say any Brad Bird No, you said Ratatouille But I assume you guys don't want to do that You know, you didn't You got enough of the format of the show That you knew we might want to do Brad Bird someday

[00:04:54] But that was what you said Like, well, I'd rather do Ratatouille But I know you guys don't want to do that First movie that I'm usually thinking about at any time And I said to Ron Am I right in thinking you'd want to do That was probably

[00:05:08] Because I'd answered that on an episode Pre-judging what I thought she'd want to talk about Yeah, either probably that or Pixar or Ratatouille I mean, is this your number one Pixar? Because the subject matter it is Sure Chef Little chef Little chef Being a little being a chef

[00:05:25] You are both You are both Yes, I am Let's acknowledge it It's kind of the one movie where people always ask me about Sure Because you're a little chef Because I'm a little chef You also hide under people's hats A lot

[00:05:37] That's one of the lesser known facts about me But it's a huge part of my life I rarely never do it in the kitchen That's an interesting thing Is you only hide under people's hats at like I don't know Finish a bit Salons

[00:05:50] People rarely wear hats at salons Usually their hair is being worked on It's your job kind of difficult Honestly, that's why That's the real sport of it Sure, yeah just yeah Now Romley Newman of course Long time sister of mine 19 years Yeah 19

[00:06:09] You got to stay on that mic You keep on Put it in a position where you can turn And still have the mic He's positing around Here I'll fix Oh producer Ben's gonna fix that I'm a novice Producer Ben's gonna fix that

[00:06:20] Great we're getting it all out of the way Mike, Mr. Positive, Mr. Hasidah Poet Laureate, The Tiebreaker The Fartmaster The Meat Fartmaster, the fucking meat lover The fuckmaster The fart detective I love prosciutto He loves prosciutto Everything's wrong Everything's wrong He, you know

[00:06:38] He's so come up with a benny He's a white hot benny He's a birthday benny He has a dirt bike benny You wish him a hello fennel Don't call him Professor Cresby I'm really excited to have you I'm gonna talk over him Really excited to have you on

[00:06:48] And Joey of course But we are both Hello Ben Producer Ben's Lovers So let's get it And when we filmed Devil Wears Prada You were a fashion lover So we He is a fashion lover Constantly have something to bond over He was criticizing me For wearing brown shoes

[00:07:03] With black pants today You can't do that You can't do that I know but I was lazy When I left the house But Ben, we all know that you're A fan of fashion A close personal friend of Dan Lewis Since when are you a food lover as well?

[00:07:14] Griffin, I've worked in really high-end restaurants Over the years Oh, that's true Don't talk about the f*** That's true Yeah, I'm not talking about the f*** Every sincere day is talking about The f*** on this podcast It's gotten a little problematic Yeah, I'm gonna bleep that out Yeah

[00:07:26] It's a burger report More like a police report Okay Okay Let's Let's move along I will make a disclaimer And say this will probably be A very self-centered podcast I'm like Oh There's a lot of fans What? Because this movie Resignates with my life so much Resignate?

[00:07:43] That every Resonate, sorry, Resignate Not Resignate Sure Every part of it I'm like, oh, well, when I was that Okay, okay So you're gonna It's gonna be a lot of It comes back to me Well, look, that is the thing

[00:07:55] That no Newman has ever done on this podcast Is use the discussion of the movie To tell a bunch of anecdotes About childhood Definitely not Griffin Never So you are You are a chef I am And a food writer as well Right

[00:08:07] So Romley, you live with this boy I mean, you have in your life I have, sure And you live with him Like we all must live with him Right As sort of a mimee's curse Right, yeah You like food I love food He doesn't really like food

[00:08:22] Not crazy about it And I feel like we'd be a lot closer If he likes food Interesting, okay I'm always like I love my brother, Griffin We're so similar That's the answer We're really on the same page But We hate food We should eat a fucking egg Anything

[00:08:36] I mean His diet is I just describe it as beige His diet is literally vanilla I did Just get shady in here Hey, God, shady Every meal I make when he's around Has to be modified Because there's so many things He doesn't eat

[00:08:53] Yeah, but the modified meals you make for me Often get reviewed As some of the best work you've ever done Is that not true? I go, hey, can you make a little mac and cheese At Thanksgiving And then everyone eats a mac and cheese And goes, Rom, stellar

[00:09:04] Probably your best pasta dish ever True? People like mac and cheese Mac and cheese is a crowd pleaser Oh, so you're saying people like the foods That I like because the foods I like are empirically Your food's like Jumanji Welcome to the jungle

[00:09:17] But sometimes Rom only wants to make You know, a phantom thread Come on Don't high road me like that Now Joey You're gonna get all the siblings involved Yeah, Joey's not You're not a chef No And you're not very little either You're a pretty normal sized person

[00:09:34] Average size You've never hit under a hat I don't know Maybe he's hitting under a hat or two The physics of that are, you know Difficult to pull off He gotta be a little A little chef Even if you're little

[00:09:52] But so why did this movie speak to you? Now, I remember seeing this movie with you But I feel like you've always just Loved this movie more than anything Wait, the first time I saw it Wasn't with you, was it? Yup Was it?

[00:10:03] I have a memory of going to the view in Swiss cottage With my friends Swiss cottage view That must've been the second time that I saw it I don't think, yeah I think the first time Because I just remember very clearly

[00:10:14] That we saw this movie with our mother Who hates As she calls them Cartoon And Who is she? Detective Eddie Valiant? Exactly A tune, yeah A tune's a wrong turn in the past She hates tunes At the Odeon Camden Town Okay This is all in London What?

[00:10:33] Were you on vacation? Yeah, where are you doing in London? Where is the sound effect gonna go? Has it already happened? Yeah, it's already happened This movie came out during the summer So it was a summer break It came out in summer Yeah, no, no, we lived there

[00:10:46] Lived in London In fact, I was almost not living in London It's gonna happen right now I feel it happening Because this movie came out in 2007 Correct So I left London in 2008 So I was almost done with London Joey was almost off to college

[00:11:00] But we saw this movie I can't remember why But my mother just Yeah, why did she go? I don't know But when we were children My mother did not like As she called them Cartoon We're talking about When I was a kid

[00:11:11] You had your beauty and the beast And you're Aladdin And she was not interested In even the sort of glorious Renaissance of animation So I don't know why she saw this movie But she loved it Interesting And I remember even at the time Thinking like, wow

[00:11:24] This movie is so impressive And artistic that it even won over Like the biggest hater of animation That I know I have a question for you So you said this movie came out in 2007 2008, you left London April 2008 Am I correct in remembering That after leaving London

[00:11:40] You immediately went to Paris And worked at a bar It's actually before But yes, that was in Early 2008 So do you think That decision to do the sexiest thing That anyone's ever done Which is working at a bar In Paris for six months Right Wasn't six months

[00:11:56] It was like one month No, four months Wait a second It was four months Was it January to months? Let's open the books here This is why I said Link episodes are great Yeah, it's true No, it was January to April And then, well, I don't

[00:12:08] I'm not sure if I want to invoke his name But my friend who you know We're not Who I lived with I'm about to say something Slightly embarrassing about him So I'm not sure I want to mention his name Who I live with In this one room apartment

[00:12:20] In Paris Just sat down with me One day and said David, I have no money It's a shocking turn of events This was Bernie Madoff This was Bernie Madoff You were living with 2008 I'm pretty sure that's exactly When the Bernie Madoff Well, maybe a few months later

[00:12:34] Maybe it was a perfectly timed job And I was just like Well, yeah, of course you have no money We've been living here for months Right And we have You have not had a job And he's like So it's kind of an issue How I have no money

[00:12:45] So now we have to leave And I was like, alright And you were raking in those tits Well, I mean He was supposed to Teach English, right? Wasn't that That was the idea We went to Paris And we had told him Like, it's easy You speak English

[00:12:57] They need English teachers You'll just get a job teaching English Amazingly didn't happen What was your after service cocktail Or our choice of drink? Wine I mean like Okay, well kind of why are we talking Red guy, white guy Oh, just Red guy, white guy

[00:13:12] Red guy, white guy No, all they drink is beer and wine They're not really like a cocktail people They're really not I don't know because I'm under 21 Sure But in France you can drink Actually that's true So yes, they do not drink cocktails in Paris

[00:13:25] Why do you think that Ron goes to France twice a month? She's such a boozer She's a whino She weekends in Paris So she can drink on the flight But you know what I didn't even put together the ratatouille thing I forgot about that Like that I

[00:13:39] I'm saying, I'm genuinely questioned Do you think that movie Because it was like I remember I mean I love Paris I remember this came out The exact same summer as Paris Jutem A very hit-miss film As most omnibus films are Like four very strong segments

[00:13:54] It's got some cute Have you seen Paris Jutem? No Is that a movie that anyone remembers? It's not a must-see There are In a YouTube age You should just watch the four segments There's a couple of the little movies there The Collins one is really good

[00:14:05] The Alexander Payne one is great Yes The Allen Hughes ones They're an Allen Hughes one Am I making that up? Maybe I always like the West Craven one Do you remember that one? That's a nice little rom-com Yeah, it's cute Anyway It's a rom-ly comedy But

[00:14:21] Are those the two? Was there a third Paris movie? There's maybe No, no I was just gonna say Well because there's 20 movies Because there's one for each Rondissement My point was that That came out earlier in the summer And then Ratatouille came out

[00:14:32] And I remember several critics saying Ratatouille somehow makes Paris Look better than any of the 20 filmmakers in Paris Jutem Well because Ratatouille isn't Really set in Paris Right But also Wonderful fantasy of Paris It also totally feels like Paris Like in this way

[00:14:48] My mom and I saw Coco together Coco Which I think Coco Ben didn't like that for sorry Yeah Coco Which I think is now her favorite Pixar movie I, you know, the timing is unfortunate Because if you asked me before I saw Coco

[00:15:04] I mean, Ratatouille would be a Shoe-in for number one You said Coco was a challenger? I think I'm talking about Coco twice in theaters Which she never does My cold little heart Never cries And Coco, I was sobbing I was crying Griffin was sitting next to me Spontaneously

[00:15:19] I was crying so much that I was Choking on my own crying And And there are very serious cinematic Masterpieces that have not even made Me well up And Coco absolutely killed me And I went home and I listened to Remember me on a loop

[00:15:36] And then I saw it again like three days Later And I thought, I said to my friend It's like, there's no way I'm going to cry again Cheers Wow, time to Well A stranger checked in on me I saw Coco alone And I cried

[00:15:50] And like a stranger next to me afterwards Was like, are you okay? The thing that was astonishing was We were sitting there together And we're watching the whole movie And Romley's like, this is fun Why aren't people giving this more credit? But you're not like emotionally

[00:16:02] Answer a tender heart It's a hammer blow at the end Right And then the moment where you realize What they're about to do Where literally the character like Toons up to destroy your heart Romley just turned to me And her eyes were full

[00:16:14] And it was like, oh no, oh god What's about to happen? It was like the look someone gives you Right before the roller coaster has the draw Like the tears were already there And then just didn't stop for like 20 minutes There was no going back at that point

[00:16:25] I was like, I am a ruined human being Right I have lost all sense of self But I cried through the credits Yeah, Coco more like Gomo Good movie But Ratatouille is still very close to me Ben just dramatically took off his head Ben just quit

[00:16:41] He is handed in his two weeks notice To Audio Boom He's asking if he can get out sooner than that He has genuinely read in the face I was gonna say I saw Coco with my mom My mom grew up in Paris

[00:16:53] Was in a lot of time in Mexico City as well And she was like It's crazy how well they got Mexico City down And she was talking about the land of the dead And I feel like In the same way that like

[00:17:07] The land of the dead and Coco captures Mexico City even though it's not really Mexico City Right And Ratatouille does that with Paris Where it's not very literal But it somehow like captures the spirit It captures the way Paris feels I was gonna say

[00:17:22] I feel like nothing really looks like Paris Right But you'll have moments when you're in Paris Where there's just a ton of lights And there's just this atmosphere Or you're eating Or something's going on And you just have this overwhelming feeling inside of you Yeah

[00:17:35] And that's how Ratatouille looks This is a movie that like literally glows Yes Like it looks like a candle A lovely blue and gold sort of glow to it It's very warm A lovely palette My heart kind of stops when you get to

[00:17:46] The apartment and it's so shitty And then he goes on the windowsill And you can see the beautiful Paris landscape And you're like okay Is that nice? Well what's your objection Ben? No, your mom is so cool Your mom's much cooler than us

[00:17:59] Like a reveal that your mom spent some time In Mexico City Yeah What? Look there's a We have to have your mom on the show We'll have her on I have no idea what we should pick We'll have Holly Hunter on Yeah

[00:18:10] His mother looks a lot like Holly Hunter Holly Hunter I mean Should all of my mom have Holly Hunter on? Yeah that's true We should have both of them on When we were young she got a free carpet Because the carpet dealer thought she was Holly Hunter

[00:18:21] She would literally get free shit Because people knew Holly Hunter lived in New York They're the exact same size And people would be like A Miss Hunter right this way And she was like I'm not Holly Hunter And they were like Okay but we got it Miss Hunter

[00:18:31] Don't worry Because usually the ruse would fall apart When she handed over the credit card No Even when she spoke They'd be like I guess you sound kind of different I guess maybe the I'm so judge-stinctive Oh my god everyone just blew out the mic

[00:18:44] The first time I saw Holly Hunter movie I was like holy shit Because I always just assumed they sounded the same And I was like Oh she does not have that voice No I mean no one has Holly Hunter's voice That is one of her Misses incredible

[00:18:55] Elastic girl Kind of has Holly Hunter's voice I would say Great stroke of all time Thank you very much Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Alright so Rattatouille Before we get into the incubation This one which I think is interesting Just because you talked about your experience

[00:19:09] You're experiencing it together Yes Ram and I saw it together It was right before I went off to college So it was one of our Not like our very last Right we're both in that zone And that summer I thought I was going off to college

[00:19:21] In California to Cal Arts Brad Bird's alma mater That's right I thought I was going to move to LA And stay there for a very long time So I was really trying to put in quality Big brother time Sure That summer How old would Ramaly have been

[00:19:34] You would have been Uh Eat Is that correct Uh yeah You would have been eight years old Um You were very much activated on the food thing At that point already Yes And I raised you pretty heavily On Pixar That was like our syllabus

[00:19:50] Yeah I mean this was kind of Even before I saw my dream movie Besides the fact that I Absolutely despise rodents Sure So I think I had a few hesitations going in But the Paris And the food element kind of When you over Won that

[00:20:07] But I'll say this And correct me if I'm wrong here And maybe I'm just speaking for myself We saw this I remember they did Because Disney was very afraid This movie was going to bomb Yeah And they did a lot of very Like kind of desperate sweaty marketing

[00:20:19] Moves to try to like Sell the movie that they thought The American public was just going to Roundly reject So they did like those advanced screenings Those like public Like two weeks before it comes out It's playing at an AMC for one night

[00:20:30] So we went to one of those I remember both of us walking out And going like It's good It's not one of the best Pixar Oh wow And it really grew from both of us Because both of us I think saw it A second time that summer

[00:20:40] And we're like That's actually pretty great And by the time I came out on home video It's a movie for me that gets better Every single time I watch it And for me it's a movie that gets Better as I get older Yeah I agree with that

[00:20:50] Even re-watching it for this I was just like They nail the food stuff Yeah I mean I would really say This is one of If not the best food movies In existence It's my favorite food movie I agree They set up like The dynamics of the kitchen

[00:21:03] Like technique Exactly And the way that they The tiniest things I think are so spot on My favorite moment Is when he finds the mushroom And then he's running around Trying to find all the accompaniments Because that's exactly how A chef thinks of cooking

[00:21:21] And talking about flavor profiles And how things work together Exactly And it's like you're building Levels of flavor You have the woodiness Of the mushroom And then you need some herbs And then you need some acidity And then you need a You know to char it

[00:21:32] I mean it's incredible I think this movie was like An activator for you In the way that Dove Orris Prada was Not that you didn't have These interests before But it made you think about them In a real more tangible way You know because

[00:21:44] A lot of your cooking up Until this point You would cook a lot Like that's what you would do When you got picked up from school You would go to the grocery store And you'd buy stuff And you'd put it all together And you'd serve it to us

[00:21:53] And it was usually bad Yes Like you at first Would just make bad food It was bad for a very long time And then course correct By going like Oh I guess that didn't work Like she's just Exactly Our mom wouldn't let me Watch the Disney Channel Right

[00:22:07] Which is what all my friends Watched And at first I was really mad And I thought she was depriving me Of a childhood But the food network Was one channel away From the Disney channel So I would watch the food Network all day And then when she

[00:22:20] Was out of the room Switch over So was that literally Why you started Watching the food network Because you could get away Sneaking some Zack and Cody I think it was a mixture Of things You did sneak that Zack and Cody Were my first true love

[00:22:32] You were never a Wizards of Waverly person Right I wasn't picky honestly I thought Disney They live in the village Right I thought Disney was so cool Because they're so forbidden All my friends were like Yeah whatever And I was like Oh my god

[00:22:45] Did you see that episode Where So I wasn't picky with The Disney shows I watched it all I didn't discriminate But I watched the food network Originally because I loved to eat And I found it so cool That people could just Spend their lives Cooking on TV

[00:23:00] But it was also A convenient placement Two things I want to say One, a brief correction You said that Zack and Cody were your First loves That's not true You loved one of them You thought one of them Was a fucking nerd And you dunked on him

[00:23:12] All the time That's true I just can't remember Which one I always make them up The one is now Riverdale I think the Riverdale Drughead He is legitimately One of the worst actors On television Wow Wow Wow I've seen every episode I will I hate watch

[00:23:30] I hate watch Riverdale Do you watch Riverdale, Joey? I should get into it But I thought I liked what he was I liked what he was doing And what I saw I wouldn't say that It was like good acting He's the one who's like I'm a weirdo Right?

[00:23:42] But was he Drughead jump Was he the one that You liked originally Or you can't remember I can't remember They honestly looked Oh and then you met one I met one Griffin sent me A picture with one of them And I think I went to school

[00:23:54] The next day And I just literally walked around With a printed picture Of Griffin And whatever Unnamed Sprouse I went to like Which one? Well that's I think it was the one You didn't like I think you were crying out loud I can never remember

[00:24:07] What names are there No, you were Cause one of them You were fucking dunking on Constantly He says One was a loser And one was cool You liked the cool one Rebel But I will say Growing up Griffin constantly Wanted to do things That would make him

[00:24:22] The cool big brother When I was at summer camp I didn't know how he He got this But he sent me sides From the high school High school musical 3 movie Script, sure That was a big deal I literally just walked around And said do you want to

[00:24:37] Read a scene from high school Musical 3 Cause it was like A year away at this point So he got a lot of Big brother points Cool move In hindsight I was really obnoxious Not true But I got some Cool stuff out of this So Cole is Jughead

[00:24:51] And I think Dylan is the one Who has gotten in some trouble Recently My guess is that Dylan Is the one you liked originally I think so too I think Dylan was a little More of the bad boy Yeah I was into the bad boy At 6 years old

[00:25:04] And then by the time you were 12 You were into Ed Helms Right Romley once walked in When we were watching the office And said he's kind of hunky right And we said What she might have been Younger than 12 She might have been like 10

[00:25:16] You were like I don't know It just seems like a nice Like a nice husband Yeah my type quickly My type quickly went from Dylan's brows to husband Yeah right Who could pay for kitchen renovations Oh no Who has a nice sweater collection Yeah just to you know

[00:25:28] A really dependable guy They are bow tied at work Right Steve Martin And it's complicated Becomes the platonic ideal He's very cute in that My dream guy is Greg Keneer Right Greg Keneer The one who Every romcom is structured Around how he sucks He's always the guy

[00:25:45] Who you don't want But did it meet My dream guy The other one you used to love Not that you don't love him anymore But he hasn't worked as much But when you were like 10 Hugh Grant was Oh he just Oh tour me up

[00:25:59] And you haven't seen Paddington 2 yet I have not He's so good at Paddington 2 He's so good at being so bad Oh yeah of course I've seen Paddington 2 Yeah yeah He's incredible The closing number The post credits number Is like genuinely He does a musical number Of Paddington 2

[00:26:14] I'm gonna go see Paddington 2 Right after this That's what I yell at all of my gay In theater friends about Paddington 2 Is like it ends with a musical A son high musical number Led by Hugh Grant Like see it But the more I tell them to see it

[00:26:25] The more they They're trolling you Also makes me want to see Paul King Do a full musical Cause clearly he's got it In his bloodstream Toads toads He's used to such good musical numbers On the Mighty Boosh as well Anyway ding dong Ding dong ding dong

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[00:26:57] Yeah who can even keep track at this point Yeah How could we help you Well Master Frodo's gone missing I have this ring I have to get it all the way to Mount Doom And I don't know how to transfer this ring Over to Mount Doom Well

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[00:27:37] Personally you actually won't win an Oscar But you know whatever Surely I must get nominated for supporting actor It's such a showcasey role But you know what Think about this journey ahead of us So complicated Whereas with Wee Transfer It's such an easy sight to use

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[00:28:52] Okay, so can I talk about The incubation? Yeah Because I find it fascinating Yon Pinkava or however you say his name John? Yes Yon? I thought it was Yon Pinkava I think it's Yon Pinkava Okay, fair enough He directed Jerry's Game Which was the first time that Pixar

[00:29:06] Put a short before one of their movies Before A Bug's Life The Chess one Correct, it's Old Man Jerry's Game That one is incredible That blew my mind Won the Oscar Great short Got everyone on board with the idea Seen a short before Pixar talky

[00:29:19] There's a real sophistication To that thing too You know, like especially when you Considered that most shorts you would Have seen before an animated movie Were like a three minute Like bit of like cat dog chasing a Ball, you know Sure Like they throw that before the

[00:29:34] Rugrats and be like Here's just a shorter version Of that cartoon show you watch Right And that's like an Old Man In a dual role I think the idea of telling a story That like sophisticated And sort of dark Because he's very lonely guy Without dialogue

[00:29:51] Without dialogue in that short amount Of time was, I mean it was new to me But I think it's still, I haven't seen it Recently but I'm sure it would still Blow my mind It still holds up and it's also Very interesting character design

[00:30:01] I mean especially at that point Like CGI was always kind of Just like very round and shiny Two figures, right And he's a weird kind of like He's got like folds in his skin Right, so he's got this Interesting visual style Everyone was super charmed by Jerry's

[00:30:13] Game with this kind of erudite Air to it There's air of sophistication And Pixar decides Hey we're gonna let you make a feature Sure At this point He won an Oscar also He won the Oscar The three original Pixar guys Once they started making content Sling intent

[00:30:31] We're Lasseter Uncritch And Doctor What about Stanton Oh and sorry, sorry Not Uncritch Uncritch was their editor But he was one of the directors He was a little low I misspoke It was Doctor, Stanton And Lasseter They brought on Brad Bird Because they were afraid they were

[00:30:45] Gonna get cocky So they need to throw some fresh blood In there Right but their first movies Are well you got Toy Story Bugs like Toy Story 2 Were all Lasseter Right And then you've got Monsters Inc as Doctor And Finding Nemo is Stan And then

[00:30:58] Yeah and then Incredibles Is Bird So each, the first six Movies are only made By those three guys And cars in there somewhere Is that after the Incredibles Cars comes after the Incredibles And that's Lasseter again That one's about cars I think so, I can't remember Me either

[00:31:15] But the big thing is High five, Ben No I sort of like the movie cars We don't need to get into that We'll get into that too Let's not get into that Get deep Phone or episode Have you about cars normally? Sorry How do you feel about cars?

[00:31:34] I loved it when I saw it First one's fun Yeah First one's fun Some people out there say It's my favorite movie of all time And that's Slander Wow It's a fun romp, Mater Um This is the interesting detail About this film One is that

[00:31:48] Yonk Pinkova was the first guy Out of that original group Where they were gonna Let rise up to the ranks of director He had this concept This idea of the rat wants to cook Designed it all He had all the characters He had the visual

[00:32:00] They're all his characters right? Like a 100% Like a little linguine And Gusteau And all the character designs And the models were all designed by him And he was unceremoniously Pushed off the film Replaced by Brad Bird Who took over in sort of A last minute film

[00:32:14] In 2005 which is really Cutting it close Now the same thing happened With Toy Story 2 Right So this is I wanna do this crash course quickly Oh boy This is the problem with doing Brad Bird is He gets to talk about Pixar a lot But all of this is

[00:32:26] Well but this is interesting If you're gonna go into The history of Pixar Like pushing people off projects This is a lot to talk about Joey is More into the shit than I am Yeah So you guys Because I think this movie Is an interesting fulcrum point of

[00:32:37] Pixar's director problem That has led to their Spotty track record today It took about ten years To catch up with them Right But it's why things got Kind of shaky Last year makes Toy Story All hands on deck Right That's a one film Distribution deal with Disney

[00:32:50] Disney doesn't have creative input They just deliver the movie Disney Markets that releases it Toy Story's humongous So they sign a new deal With Pixar For five movies Yeah Disney will own those movies In their entirety But Pixar can make them Whatever they want Yeah

[00:33:07] But Disney will own those characters Forever and can use them Any way they want Sure So those films are The ones that we just mentioned Bugs life, Toy Story 2 Nemo Nemo, Monsters Inc And I guess Incredibles Right That's the five And Cars is the last one Right

[00:33:23] So around the time Because these films take so long To get made Right When they knew their deal Was running up Right Michael Eisenhower, the old CEO Right He kept on threatening to Make sequels without them Without their permission Right Because he wanted Toy Story 2

[00:33:37] Quick direct to video Yes, he wanted to do the You know, threaten They were doing it Right, that one was happening The one where it's like Tinkerbells Returns Neverland Right, he wanted just One of those Right after Toy Story 2 Return of Jafar Yes Right after Toy Story 1

[00:33:51] When their crew was still Small And everyone was working On a Bugs life They kind of had a B team Or a C team They were working on Direct to Video Toy Story 2 And after they watched A Bugs life Finished a Bugs life Watched Toy Story 2

[00:34:04] Which was supposed to come out In video in six months Lester said this sucks If you give me a year I can make this worthy Of being released in theater Sure And they pretty much started Over from scratch Everyone says that movie Gave them like Fucking kidney stones

[00:34:16] Right No one slept for a year But they made The greatest film of all time But after that They just said To Eisner We don't want to make Sequels anymore And the other part Of the sequel It wouldn't count against their 5 It would be Disney

[00:34:30] Squeezing an extra movie out of them So Eisner just went I'll make fucking sequels Without you and hired new people To write Finding Nemo 2 Monsters Inc 2 Toy Story 3 Romley's putting on A great looking sort of Velvety coat Looks phenomenal I'd forgotten this This part that you're talking about

[00:34:45] Yeah, those were All announced All announced So things are really tense Those movies are being done Outside of Pixar There was a lot of brinksmanship Between the two companies Pixar's in a mode where They go look We don't want to Get Disney We're fucking done with this

[00:34:58] So they start independently Producing three movies Okay And this is one of them Ratatouille, Wally and Up The three most sort of Esoteric Iconoclastic films Of course those are all the ones That Disney would then stress out About later and be like How do we market these

[00:35:15] We'll see this Because they just made Them themselves They thought they were going to Go to a different company Eisner got pushed out Eiger takes over Goes to Pixar Goes on Paying whatever it takes And Steve Jobs makes the kind of Like he like

[00:35:28] Makes peace between the two companies In exchange for like Owning a third Disney or whatever You became the majority shareholder of Disney Right But so this is the first movie That Pixar made entirely independently And then it was sort of just Dropped on Disney's lap Right

[00:35:44] Pretty late in the game It's a rat, he cooks Come on release it Jesus I rewatched the movie A month or two ago And I always loved it But I just don't think I ever Really sat down and thought about the fact That it's about a movie

[00:35:56] It's about a rat who hides in a chef's hat Because he has dreams of being a friend chef Yeah, no true last movie And I went to Griffin And I was like This movie is about a rat Who pulls a guy's hair Hulls his hair Insane

[00:36:10] I mean it blew my mind I felt like I had been walking around With a blindfold on forever And I was like Yup this is great And then I was like Holy shit This is about a rat And if you went to a studio And pitched this

[00:36:22] And you would have you arrested Yeah they would have executed it I mean it's on the verge of insanity And no judge would convict them Like this is their Pixar is a studio This is their first big blank check movie Where it was literally like

[00:36:32] You know what we have remind Right we're gonna make our movie And we know our track record is strong enough Someone will buy it This is the epitome of a blank check Yes It is also to use a word That we like to use on this podcast

[00:36:43] It's a movie with a premise that is Very sweaty A hundred percent Incredibly sweaty Especially the part where you pull the hair To control the body Right I mean this Like a horse This premise is John Goodman on a Stairmaster You know it is dripping in sweat

[00:36:59] It's Gandolfini eating a chicken parm And yet this movie ends up like having like The lightness of like a Lubitsch touch Lubitsch movie is exactly what this is Which is insane You cannot summarize this movie Without sounding like a lunatic This is true

[00:37:13] It's also quite long for an animated movie 150 It's an hour and 50 minutes Which is pretty long The Pixar movies were usually Tight 90 or so Right and the Iron Giant was 90 minutes long And how long is The Incredibles? I forget An hour 40 Yeah I think

[00:37:26] I mean animation is so expensive That there was always a thing where like Studios didn't want to make Animated films that were longer than 90 minutes They were usually 90 with credits And also you want to like squeeze in The showtime It's for kids, adults aren't going to see them

[00:37:38] Keep the attention spans But it's so it's very telling that Pixar was like we don't have to care about Anything now We're paying the bills ourselves So let's make a fucking two-hour Rat Chef movie I also do feel like out of all The Pixar movies

[00:37:49] This one to me seems the most Like it's catered towards adults And it ends on like a pruce reference Exactly You know it's sophisticated It's very sophisticated And it's about a lot of grown up people And a rat But you know mostly like People who have a job

[00:38:04] In a kitchen What were you going to say Joey? Well I was just going to say that Having said all the things we just said About it Obviously whatever Yann was doing with it Which you know will never know Where he was creating They at a certain point

[00:38:19] Were like this is just not working Because it's an incredibly difficult premise And really hard to get right And you know when he was the first time director And he wasn't getting it We don't know exactly There's some struggle over like Just he could not reconcile

[00:38:33] The grossness of the rat in the kitchen Apparently that was a big part of it Everyone's brain would just shut off They'd be like no the rat's in the kitchen But I will say I hate rats really more than anything But I'm never watching them think

[00:38:46] They're gross at their rats in the kitchen But that part of that is And this is something that Brad Bird has said In interviews That when he came in And he saw the design That they had for the rats at that point

[00:38:53] Which I don't think we have seen We don't know what that looks like He was like no throw that away So it must have been a lot grosser Than looking at a bunch of things I get a little grossed out When they're all in the kitchen

[00:39:04] When you see them squaring his like Just because the sight of many rats Is alarming That is alarming But there is that moment Where they go in the dishwasher Which is very curious And it's so cute And they're first off loving it At that moment I'm like

[00:39:17] Wow I want a pet rat Let me get a rat sous chef Exactly I know someone who has a pet rat I don't get it She instagrams videos of it Like eating cheese And I'm always just like Yo that's a rat But in this movie It's cute

[00:39:33] They're cute But I also think it's incredible That the movie doesn't feel like It's trying too hard to make them cute Or shy away from them being rats Like it has them walk on Forrest for a majority of the movie They move strangely When they're in large packs

[00:39:47] It does have that like Weird just sort of innate Unsettling It's a swarm They don't wear clothes Which a lot of other animation Studios probably would do For no reason You compare it to like a bug's life Where they make the ants blue And they have like

[00:40:02] Swarms and sea legs And they walk up They're very, very cartoony and different Right You know this is a movie That's all about needles Threaded perfectly And there's also really That moment where he catches The rat for the first time And he doesn't talk

[00:40:15] He just really acts like a rat That's a choice I love That language they establish It's really good Yes, it's so good Yeah But it is But it's like This is a movie where it has to be plausible enough That he can't talk to the rat

[00:40:28] Because the rat doesn't speak English But implausible enough That the rat can control him By touching his hair Right And it just like Like you said threading needles Like that is a thin line to walk To like make that all believable So by all accounts what happened was

[00:40:41] November 2004 Incredibles comes out It's a massive success Right He wins the Oscar He does And then very shortly thereafter Lasseter comes to him Lots of hug and bear himself John Lasseter How could you have done this To us, Gron That was just griffin' talking to John

[00:41:02] That was me just screaming at the skies We trusted You were the chosen one Right Well Brad Bird was working on something else He was working on a script for a live action movie 1906 1906 You want to make a film about the great San Francisco earthquake

[00:41:18] And for a moment that was happening And then it wasn't happening And then so I think when Lasseter went to him He was kind of just like sitting around Because that project was stalled What is that project? Okay, so it's this story

[00:41:29] I mean I know it's about the earthquake Like San Francisco like crumbling to ruins in 1906 And his pitch was Based on a nonfiction book His pitch was I want to do Titanic Except instead of a boat's entire city But like so who's it centered on?

[00:41:44] That they could never crack it But it was going to be centered on some kid Who was like figuring out that this was about to happen Something like that But I think they always said It sounds like a frustrating movie honestly I don't know, yeah

[00:41:54] They always said the reason The number one reason it never got made Is he never felt like they could totally crack The emotional center of the story Yeah But that was his pitch was Can I place an emotional center Like a city-sized disaster movie

[00:42:03] It was going to be a $200 million film Right Warner Brothers was going to co-produce with Pixar Not with Disney No I remember that And it was going to be live action Live action, yeah Yes, which would have been huge And that was his plan

[00:42:14] Okay, resting a little bit after Incredibles Then I'm going to do that And Laster comes to him and goes Look, Ratatouille is a fucking mess Right This is the first movie we're going to have In a distribution deal With whatever new company we signed with

[00:42:26] I got this rap movie We're too deep in it to scrap it It is so crazy just saying to be like Right So there's this You know what the rap movie You know have you been on the third floor Where the rap movie is

[00:42:35] And the original title was Rats exclamation point Was it really? No Truly, it was rats Ratatouille is a genius I mean the way they did that It's a great title Is genius But Disney lost their minds over the title Then just got it Just the other day

[00:42:51] Yeah I didn't know You texted us and you were like Oh rat See because I just thought of the dish Right No yeah of course That's where I go to I wonder was the dish in the movie I wonder I don't think so

[00:43:03] I think that was a Brad Bird move But I think it's smart What is it? Because even from just a culinary level Ratatouille is That's the beauty We'll get to it That's like a really classic French dish Right But the fact that he goes with something that simple

[00:43:16] Exactly I mean that's the beauty of the whole movie There's no way that the Antoniaco stuff Was in it before No That's Brad Bird Sure That is where this movie becomes Fucking galaxy brain good No we don't know that much about What was in the old draft

[00:43:31] What was in the old draft The old draft was probably like In the kitchen he cooks the food You know But also in the old draft Gusteau was alive I know that Brad Bird killed Gusteau Yes With his hands Yeah murder him

[00:43:42] That was his first day on the job He was like bring me Gusteau And they brought this cute fat cartoon chef Voice of Brad Garrett And he was like don't see you Yes But they just say to him Something you could imagine Brad Bird doing

[00:43:56] We need this film It's supposed to come out next year If we give you an extra year Do you think you can Make this movie good With all the elements we're already stuck with Right Like they'd essentially build the sets Build the characters Have the basic plot line

[00:44:09] Can you retrofit it And he was like I didn't want to do another movie so soon Sure But something He wanted to do live action Yep But I think Brad Bird With that infinite chip on his shoulder Wanted to prove that he could pull it off

[00:44:21] And saw something in the story Of what he connects to About the idea of someone who is capable of greatness Not being allowed To fulfill that greatness The thing that is often mischaracterized I believe as objectivism When I think it is a

[00:44:36] A sort of cry for recognizing exceptionalism Because in every Brad Bird movie The character with the most power Uses that power for good towards others Which is the opposite of what Anne Rand preaches Sure I mean I think this is his ultimate movie

[00:44:53] About the things we've already talked about Which is he is an exacting artist Right Who thinks a lot about the nature of being creative And this is a movie about the being creative Wouldn't let him do things his way Even though he knew he was right

[00:45:06] And he's a little rat Yeah And he's got a sneak in under a hat into that kitchen Yeah But then he did it So he pulled it off And it's one of the best movies of its decade It's a wonderful movie I think Yeah

[00:45:21] I was saying this to Joey All right, oh wow The other day I think it's his best movie I think the point of Always a coin top This is just an incredible movie The Incredibles is like my favorite and I love it Yeah And I think it's probably

[00:45:32] The Incredibles is kind of a better, more perfect movie I think this one holds up better Because I watched the Incredibles again recently I haven't seen it in a little while It wasn't quite We're recording out of order Quite as impactful as I remember

[00:45:46] I could see that being true And also like the Incredibles is just like It's just a home run Right It's just like Whereas this movie has flaws And it has things that are weird And like it's a little sweaty Like we talked about But then it's also like

[00:45:56] It's reaching so far It leaves you with things You're thinking about It leaves you with shit And it also feels masterful Largely because he's attempting to do the impossible Like we all agree that this premise is fucked And that Disney should have just Swallowed their money in Candid

[00:46:10] Which makes it more impressive And this is a perfect movie for me To like sort of amplify the idea That a perfect movie does not mean A movie without flaws Because like for example Almost every French accent in this movie is bad Sure

[00:46:29] Yet I think this movie's perfect Right It's somehow No French actor is involved with this movie Zero French actors I know this is unavoidable But I hate movies that take place In a country And they speak English And everyone speaks in the accent But doesn't speak the language

[00:46:43] I know that if Pixar made a movie Entirely in French That would not go over well But it's annoying nonetheless At least Linguini is American So there's like half a justification For why they're speaking in English to him Why is he called Linguini?

[00:46:58] Because his mom was one silly bitster I always hated that I think that's just It's weird that he's called Linguini You don't need another food reference too His name does not need to be a food reference But he does kind of look like a spaghetti

[00:47:11] I mean I guess that's the reason He has total Linguini vibes But that's everything Brad Bird essentially I think drops the entire cast save for Ian Holm I think that was the only person Who was on the Pink River version Oh sure And I've always heard

[00:47:22] For who was originally playing Remy Is Rob Schneider Great Great And Rats He comes in and at this point The movie is such a like mess And they don't have anyone breathing over their shoulder Because they haven't picked a studio yet But he just starts throwing passes

[00:47:37] And he's like I like the Pad Nawswald KFC Bowl bit Right, he heard the famous bowl bit Isn't that literally it? Right, a failure pile in a bowl or sadness A failure pile in a sadness bowl Like I think he just thought

[00:47:49] His passion for food was somehow communicated Right? I mean he has the perfect voice It's an incredible voice before It's hard to imagine someone else doing it I suppose at this point He gets Pedro Toulin one of his final performances I mean that's just a whole homerun

[00:48:07] And then who do you cast as the human lead? Oh of course Lou Romano from Down the Hall Right, like he's an animator Yeah I mean like the cast of this movie is insane Yeah, Jean-Garofalo at arguably her moment of least relevance That's true

[00:48:23] She's doing a thicker accent than the rest of them Which is also odd Her accent is also bad It's bad, she's really going for it She's good And yet the performance is great That's the whole thing about this movie Where you're like this premise makes no fucking sense

[00:48:36] Yet the movie's a masterpiece The accents are all terrible Yet every performance is good Like the movie is just somehow Pulling off these depth of fine hands Well it's almost make it better Yes It makes you really think about how much you still like it

[00:48:48] And here's talk about like this movie Like working in spite of flaws First 15 minutes of this movie are what every shitty screenwriter teacher Would tell you not to do The first, the opening is insane I remember seeing it in theaters having

[00:49:00] Like I'd fallen in love with Brad Bird after The Incredibles Which as we said is like a Such carefully constructed movie That opens, I mean god it's opening sequence It's amazing It's amazing but it's something that is like So meticulously put together to give you all this information

[00:49:15] And set the tone and all this stuff This has the record scratch open You're wondering how I ended up with that First that really shouldn't be there But then you have 15 minutes of all the like the crazy It's like insane That's not me That's me

[00:49:31] I forgot how much like of the rat family There was in the beginning of the movie It's a ton of the rat family Like Ryan Denny is rat dad Of Django Unratted The character's name is Django That's true Yes, Romley don't know me That's a yes

[00:49:49] That's like Romley's shaking her J-J-Jobb is an old woman And like I think the first sort of indicator That things are just going to happen in this movie That you have to go with is when the woman pulls out the shotgun And starts shooting the rats with it

[00:50:02] Because that doesn't make any sense in any universe And then also when her scenes were falls on her I think that's the single most disturbing image In the entire movie Is when the chandelier falls and you see so many rats

[00:50:12] That is so much more disturbing than seeing them in a kitchen This is true It is an alarming thought to think like they're in your walls They have a whole city Because rats in a kitchen in that capacity Is so unbelievable

[00:50:25] But rats falling from your ceiling somehow seems plausible In the worst way possible Do you know who voices the brother? Yes, it's Pete Sohn Who directed The Good Dinosaur Yes, but also is a guy who took over The Good Dinosaur very late Interesting Okay, but another Pixar guy

[00:50:43] Right, like two of the five leads of this movie are Pixar guys Who both nail it Do you know who plays the butler? A butler? What do you do? John Ratsenberger? Brad Bird apparently plays Antoni goes butler Oh, interesting

[00:50:56] He's also the teaser trailer for this movie is all Brad Bird as a waiter Describing the dish I don't remember that This is when Pixar used to do teaser trailers that were all original animation Yeah, I remember because there was that Wally teaser trailer that was like

[00:51:12] This is a special movie that we thought of And ASMR I was dying to see the Wally trailer because I love silent comedies and robots So it was my most anticipated movie of all time And was so disappointed when before the screening that trailer came up

[00:51:28] And I was like, it's a fucking powerpoint presentation of all the other movies they've made You got two seconds of Wally at the end But yes, the movie starts with Gusto on the TV Watching this black and white set explaining the legacy of Gusto

[00:51:40] And then goes into like hyperdrive God, we're just starting to talk about it a lot This is... Okay, let me get the door quickly Okay, I'm coming Hello Uh, hello Is this the audio boom studios? It's where we are It says on the wall Right there

[00:52:04] Then I am correct In my assumption that I had located the audio boom studios Well, hello sir, who are you? Well, perhaps you recognize me from the fact that I detected my location so well Oh, I know who it is My double mustache Double mustache?

[00:52:19] Yes, two mustaches. My name is Rikkyo Perot And I am probably the greatest detective in the world Probably because I don't want to sound boastful Of course, of course Hello, Rikkyu Thank you Welcome to our studio Let me twirl each of my mustaches Has there been a crime?

[00:52:34] Are you here to solve the murder of Al Pacino who's still in the corner there? Let me sleep Alright, he's still alive Roger, Roger It is too late for that man. There's nothing I can do Okay, well what's up then?

[00:52:47] I am probably the greatest detective in the world But I am only the third best surgeon Oh, fair enough, fair enough What's up then? There is a mystery that has been driving me crazy What's the mystery? How can I shave both of my mustaches at an affordable price?

[00:53:03] I have two mustaches, one on top of the other Do you? Google image it, Google image it Wow, you seem mad about that I know you're in the room with me But I'm telling you this is very well vetted Just like my accent Well, I have...

[00:53:19] I wasn't aware of your mustache issue It just looks like the one mustache to me I would argue it's two and I will argue this until my dying day And I'm sure Griffin would agree with me Yeah, I agree Listen

[00:53:31] It's weird how you shoved him out of the way of the microphone Look, I am the world's... Probably the world's greatest detective But I'm not good at standing up So I had to take the chair Alright, well let me just tell you about the all shape

[00:53:43] Let me tell you my conflict Oh wow, your accent, where'd it go? Hercule, you're gonna need a magnifying glass Is Jeanine Graffalo forcing this character? Let the man do his thing Let me tell you my conflict I've been taking a lot of pro bono cases

[00:54:02] So I only have one dollar to spend It's not a bit Thank you Ramoli It's a very sincere mystery The crazy thing is we only have to do a minute And then it always takes three minutes to set it up I don't know what you're talking about

[00:54:17] We're trying to solve a mystery I thought it was very good by the way I know, you guys should talk about it If you let me... I thought it was a great job how you solved the murder Oh thank you

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[00:56:47] He's done talking about his butt What about me? Who's that? Detective Don No, no, you stay there for a while detective Fine, let me sleep Alright, alright, let's go back to talking about the movie Yeah, god, it's always crazy how Sweaty it feels in here after those

[00:57:03] It's like Giamatti in August Five comedy points So with a lot of voiceover Remy very quickly explains his entire condition He's a rat? No one around him appreciates food They literally eat garbage But he has taste for the finer things Sorry Griffin, I wouldn't call that a condition

[00:57:24] I would call that a gift A privilege of refined palate Sure Um, what else? His dad only wants to use it to help sniff out poison Which is a nice little detail He's a poison sniffer I identify with Remy Because I know Griffin's falling his eyes

[00:57:41] Because I'm going to just talk about my lovely gift But I started cooking when I was very, very young And I started doing like day long Stages at restaurants over the summer Hiding under hats, yeah And hiding under hats, yes And people give you a lot of shit

[00:58:00] If you don't look like a chef If you aren't the age of a chef If you're a woman You stuck out like a sore thumb You get a lot of people don't believe that you can cook And what this movie illustrates so beautifully Is that anyone can cook

[00:58:15] Anyone can cook But, you know, a great chef can come from anywhere Exactly But not everyone can be a great chef But in all seriousness Does do a really good job of depicting restaurant culture Right Restaurant kitchens are a terrifying place

[00:58:29] The collect character is very crucial for all that Yeah, and at first I was like Oh, she's too upset She's too angry Because a lot of female chefs Feel like they need to put on this Very tough exterior Because it's such a hard environment

[00:58:43] And you can't let your guard down Or else people won't believe that you have the skill set needed And you need like the backbone Exactly And you know the kitchen A physically demanding job and right Tough place But, you know, she quickly just illustrates that

[00:58:59] You know, it's hard for her And that she needs to, you know Really pull her weight And be extra, extra hard working So that she can get the respect she deserves Right And all of a sudden that character comes down

[00:59:11] I mean, I think they easily could have made her Just a villain in the movie 100% And her character really, really helps the movie You talking about the fact that you've grown to like this movie more The older you get

[00:59:24] The other thing that I think has made you appreciate this movie more And I'm not projecting her You've told me this directly Is that you have, you know Had the opportunities in the last couple of years But when you were still a teenager

[00:59:36] To like work in restaurants for short periods of time Or intern in kitchens And you always hated the environment Right Of the kitchen And you always say like Ratatouille totally gets it right About sort of how ugly and competitive And judgmental it is Right

[00:59:51] And one summer my mom got me a Like a really great opportunity to spend a day Working in this French restaurant kitchen And I was so excited Because the food they made was amazing And it was just, you know A big deal I was still really young

[01:00:04] And I was really excited And it was awful Because they didn't believe that I could cook The guys were disgusting You were a little rat French guys are gross Sorry, not to make generalization But they are And I felt really

[01:00:18] Kind of defeated at the end of the day And so I think rewatching this I really really really Felt for everyone in the movie Yeah So Remy unlike Brad Bird Is someone who just believes there's no chance That he is ever going to be able to

[01:00:36] Be what he wants to be I mean he is a rat Right So he's just Right I'm gonna enjoy food when I can Sure The great moment where they have the mushroom That gets electrocuted And now he's got this sort of roasted mushroom It's smoky but not quite

[01:00:50] What do you call this? Lightningy I've never wanted a mushroom more Hey look I mean mushrooms are gonna have to do Some real damage control in 2018 Because 2017 was the year of Don't eat mushrooms The guilds, phantom thread Is there another one?

[01:01:04] There was a third one I can't remember There were three movies in which mushrooms were A fatal plot I will say The omelette mix and phantom thread Looks so good So much butter She's making it and I was like Oh I want that so badly

[01:01:15] I mean I know it's gonna happen But oof Yeah I also just like the end of phantom thread Like the actual last shot Is him being like Alright get out of here Cause I'm gonna be pooping for six hours Diarrhea Like cause I had remembered

[01:01:28] The last shot of the movie being like Kiss me Yes And then no There's like five more minutes of The little fantasy she has of their future And you're not sure if it's real or not And then it's just him sitting on the toilet Anyway

[01:01:43] That's such a funny movie Joey, yes But Brad's way into this Whatever this might say I don't know if we want to get into Whatever this might say about Pixar But his way into it Despite everything Despite the way that it accurately Depicts all of the unpleasant things

[01:02:00] About the creative environment of the restaurant Is that he is obsessed with like The beauty of the creative process That's the whole thing for him And that is also there at the same time My favorite, I mean there's a million Ray moments you could pick out of that

[01:02:15] But one of my favorites and one of the Early ones is when Remy is watching over the kitchen When he first gets there in the window above And he's like just talking about whatever one There does What all their roles are

[01:02:29] And he keeps saying how everyone is important Which is something that Bird would also strongly believe And that's another thing I like Because I actually have just spent time Watching people cook in restaurant kitchens And that's a great experience Because there is kind of beautiful orchestra

[01:02:45] Environment where everyone is doing one thing And also I think a great thing about Restaurant kitchens is that a lot of times There are ten people working on one dish You have the saucier You have someone who's just cutting vegetables You have someone who's doing me some plus

[01:02:58] You have someone who's cooking the meat And it all kind of comes together So even though the environment isn't necessarily A friendly one Everyone's working towards creating one thing But it is very similar to filmmaking in that sense Especially the animation

[01:03:11] Which is so many like all hands on deck I also think the other real in For Brad Bird in this story Is and I think this is very telling That he kills Gusto When he inherits it Is that Gusto is Walt Disney That's the thing

[01:03:26] Gusto is so obviously the Disney Or whatever Once it goes to Gusto the character is Walt Disney And Gusto's in its current condition Is Disney when he was working on the Fox and the Hound Disney in the 1980s where they're just like Just slap Disney on it

[01:03:40] It doesn't fucking matter Who cares And he's saying like don't you remember What this place used to be Can you make great movies And they're like we want to make fucking corn fritters Right Right And the Skinner is Roy Disney Or whoever was in charge of that

[01:03:52] Right, Eisner Any number of revolving doors Of people who just The brand strong enough Put dog ears on Gusto Yeah exactly And slap in a freezer And that's another thing I think that There were so many amazing chefs Who Have this really hard

[01:04:09] Situation where when they get really famous And their restaurants start to gain recognition And they're approached with so many Different deals It's like do you really want to put your face On a freezer Sure Lasagna And it's hard I think Some chefs

[01:04:24] It's money but it does tarnish the brand And I also I think a lot of consumers They're like oh my god Blank Chef made this It must be amazing And you realize that They have nothing to do with this Their face is on it

[01:04:36] It's not created by them They're in the kitchen making this recipe That should be noted that Blank Chef Is the name of our bistro Which we're opening Falling Teen And what you just described Is like Brad Bird's nightmare It's a part of why it took him so long

[01:04:48] To make any movie Or at least this is the way he describes it And who knows how reliable of a narrator He is of his own career But he describes it as like For years I couldn't get anything made Because people didn't want to do it

[01:04:59] The way that I believed it should be done And wouldn't let me have total control Right And now he's been of course Injustified in that narrative In the experience of movies Right And David and I were looking At Dom Bluth's filmography yesterday And it's like that guy directed

[01:05:13] Fucking 10 movies in like 11 years And animated movies like 4 years And some of them were good And some of them feel like One of 12 movies a guy directed Right But Brad Bird didn't want to like License himself out He's an exact thing Artist And I think what's very telling

[01:05:30] About his worldview Is the fact that Gusto's is still very successful Gusto is very famous It's doing fine People are going Now it's critically reviled But you know That doesn't stop the money from coming in But they sort of romantically say That Gusto died of like

[01:05:45] A broken heart after Anton Egon Gave the bad review Yes and he lost the star But also it's the curse of having Like the five stars And the three Michelin stars Descending from greatness All you can do is lose them Right But that The fact is

[01:05:57] At the moment he dies He loses a star But he's still set He's a brand name He's got a TV show He's got books But what matters to him most Is the idea that he's producing great work And if he feels like He's dropped on that

[01:06:09] That like destroys him That's what crushes him Sure Destroys him And meanwhile everyone else is like We're Gusto's We're fine Of course communism is really Walt Disney That is true It's the specter of communism Yes Walt didn't kill him It just froze him In a jar

[01:06:24] Coldest war of all So Remy There's all the business in the beginning With the rat family And Brian Dennehy But you know It's sweaty It's a lot of voiceover But I also can imagine That when Brad Bird Got the script He was like Jesus Christ The first hour

[01:06:40] Of this movie's table setting Sure maybe he compressed it Like there's so much shit I just need to Inelegantly get all of this Out as quickly as possible You could imagine You still could imagine a version of it Where none of that was there though

[01:06:50] But he keeps it partly because I think he I don't know Well I don't know But like he gets into the beauty Of certain sequences Certain ideas that he can do Such as The moment when the rats come down Out of the house

[01:07:02] And then they all escape out of the house On like rafts Right In the rain With the grandmother shooting At them with a shotgun Which like when you describe what That sequence is That's crazy It's so good It's so fun And he puts his entire family in danger

[01:07:14] Because he needs to find the right food To pair with the mushroom It's also right It's the beginning of that visual thing He's doing So good Where the screen blacks out behind the rat As they eat And like the taste is represented As these sort of like

[01:07:26] Turns into like a UPA cartoon With all these weird like colored shapes And I think also I'm not sure But I do think Brad Bird likes And maybe he relates to it in some way The idea of like you know Art clashing with The family

[01:07:40] Like whatever your family expects of you Yes And you know how difficult it can be Maybe for your father Or your brother Whatever to understand Like creative passion Sure Which is a strange thing To explain to someone Yes Where it's like I just want to cook Food

[01:07:56] And they're like food is fine This is a sandwich It's great Food is fuel is the Well he says food is fuel I mean he's a rat I mean he has the right idea For shut up and eat your garbage I mean he's a very large rat

[01:08:06] Can we just say that Yeah Brian Dennehy It's a Dennehy sized rat It's like a Dennehy sized rat But so he gets swept into Paris He realizes he's in Paris He realizes he's Act of Stoes Right Well let's not skip through There's so many Thank you

[01:08:21] You enter a section where there are so many Keep me on track So many beautiful sequences And probably one of my favorite Is him going through the walls Of all the different buildings Before he realizes that he's in Paris And passed all of these different

[01:08:32] The couple fighting with the gun Who then started making out Oh yeah Who started making out I forgot about that And he goes through like a dinner party And like oh yes Very French All of these different very French Very typical but whatever Yeah

[01:08:43] Images and that's when some Also when some elegance starts getting Introduced in my narrative Starts getting a little less sweaty When he washes up in the sewers And he's sort of crawling through the rafters And all this sort of stuff From the point that he gets separated

[01:08:57] From his family Voiceover is largely gone Comes back at the very end I suppose Because now they set up the new device Of Remi finds this Gusto Cookbook And starts imagining Gusto talking to him Yes I loved that the movie acknowledges Very early on that this is

[01:09:17] Remi's manifestation His internal monologue It's not Gusto That he doesn't have all the answers Because I have a son I am still He's very funny He's like I have a son And he's like don't you know He's like I don't know that I'm in the view of imagination

[01:09:29] But it's also It's almost like It's I mean Not to overanalyze It's almost like Brad Bird Like saying like alright So this is kind of a cheap Like narrative device That I can see right now Sorry Like I'm just trying to make this work Which I love

[01:09:41] It's like it's making fun of him Right Yeah That's fair But they've also set up The really brilliant thing He does it so fucking elegantly When they're in the kitchen And the old woman Before she shoots them Sees Remi And he's yelling for his family

[01:09:56] To get out and it cuts to her POV And he's just going And she's just like squeaking Yeah So it's like okay we got two languages here But also his body language Totally changes depending on Whether he's talking to other rats He tends to be more hind leggy

[01:10:08] Versus when he's around humans He moves more like a traditional rat Right Which is just like so fucking elegant He's such a good different So Remi climbs up and realizes He's in Paris of all places Yeah What are the odds? And So close to Gustavs

[01:10:25] He's close to Gustavs Crawls there Is looking through the ceiling Sure The skylight The gorgeous kitchen Beautifully designed kitchen Is it an accurate kitchen Romney? Like geographically I mean that would be one of the nicer Kitchens Sure I mean I guess it's a fancy Famous old restaurant

[01:10:41] But it tracks The kitchen makes sense The stove, that's like a cornu Stove That's a real stove Right They thought about it It's not just Let's make a pretty kitchen Let's make a kitchen we think Is the French kitchen of our dreams Right It holds up

[01:10:57] It's not an Nancy Meyers movie Is what you're saying It's not an Do not go slamming Meyers In front of Rom I'm sorry It's not an Nancy Meyers movie It is factually not an Nancy Meyers movie From a logistical standpoint Not an Nancy Meyers movie

[01:11:10] They did a lot of research Right I remember watching the documentary Where Brad Bird was like Yeah we had to do so much research At French Gourmet restaurant There's like There's like many TV footage Of like Brad Bird Like pointing at an underling And the underling is like

[01:11:23] Measuring the cobblestones In the streets of Paris Yeah right And Brad Bird's like Sifting wine And a glass Brad Bird's got a gun That he's firing in the air And like I think Brad Bird also Loved this concept that he brought Which was like

[01:11:37] This can be like a physical Like almost like a silent movie Or something It can be a lot of physical humor Because of the narrow kitchen Right Like there's so much to play around with there Right It sort of becomes a comedy Of manners in a weird way

[01:11:49] Like certainly in the first third Is really like when the Linguine thing is happening So that's Remy observes the entrance Of a young gangly man Named Linguine A griffin-numinesque figure Stretched out Yeah right If you put me on one of those Medieval torture racks

[01:12:05] And you dyed my hair red Yes And he has shown up on the doorstep With a note from his mother Who was an old friend Of Gusteau's Asking them to hire him Yes And Will Arnett As the murderous chef Great performance Great performance The guy with the thongs

[01:12:21] As Horst Yes Has already given him a job Which Skinner is very angry about But only as garbage boy But it's garbage boy So fine, whatever But he starts looking at that Ben likes garbage boy I like that title You anglin' for a new title?

[01:12:37] No, no, no, no, no I just think it's funny It is funny, garbage boy I have to imagine you've had That nickname at least once In your life then Yeah Okay He sees Linguine get a little tempted And try to throw some spices It just surprised me that

[01:12:53] Linguine would Wanna throw spices in a soup It's true Linguine never really has all Of creative aspirations No, and you feel like he's the kind of guy Who would be like, yep, I guess I'm just a Garbage boy But I also think

[01:13:05] I mean, no, cause there's a later section Where the success kinda goes to his head There is, there is But that's more the success Sure You can see how if his dead mother said Like go to Paris Go to Gusteau's They will hire you

[01:13:17] He spends that entire flight going Oh, I'm gonna get to Gusteau's They're gonna train me to become a chef And that's gonna be my career I was just surprised this sheepish Yes Sheepish guy is like Let me do this really bold move

[01:13:27] It's a little bit of a story Oh wait, Joey's got an objection Sorry, the people are gonna correct you So I'm just gonna correct you right now He knocks the soup down And he spills it all Oh, that's right He's trying to recreate it He's throwing things in

[01:13:40] To try to fix his mistakes But no one will know That's right And I don't think that he ever has Any aspirations to be No, he has the speech where he says Like I'm the guy who would follow the recipe Like that's what I would do

[01:13:51] That's not what Little Chef does Like if it was just me I would just do whatever's on the car He says that thing like You know how to cook And I know how to look like a person A pure human Pure human, yes

[01:14:04] You're each bringing 50% to the table here Right But so Remy cannot sit back He cannot, like Brad Bird, watching Yama Kava Making this movie No, I don't know But he cannot bear it And yes, and then he falls into the kitchen Starts getting fancy with spices Yeah

[01:14:20] And they... Linguini catches him Spots him They find the rat in the kitchen Yeah, and so he's like go kill They chase him out Linguini is tasked with murdering the rat And a head waiter John Ratsenberger Oh yeah Right, he's the head waiter? Okay, okay

[01:14:37] Yes, has already started taking the soup out Yes The soup is a hit And thus Linguini Linguini is claimed You know, acclaimed as like a budding chef Right Like that's what happens And he gets tasked Tasked with recreating the soup Right So he's caught Remy By the sen

[01:14:57] Okay Right, has him in the jar They have this beautiful Entirely physical sort of exchange Where he realizes that Remy What do you... What do you grab at this? Okay That Remy made the soup That he needs Remy So he goes back into the kitchen

[01:15:15] With Remy to try to Have him give him guidance On recreation from underneath the hat Okay And quickly, accidentally Right Like Remy is trying to Silently By biting him in stuff Direct him towards the right ingredients And he sort of pulls the hair

[01:15:34] Just as a way to pull his hands back Right And realizes that he can fucking Puppeteer him Like a marionette Through different locks of his hair This is the sweatiest part Which controls Different sections of his limb I cannot believe he pulls this off Because Go on, Romely

[01:15:50] I want to make sure that It's a little trial and error Yes They start with the biting And it's like let's find another solution Makes no sense But I'd still And the movie does also argue That they spent a lot of time Working the system out

[01:16:03] Right, I know Which I like That's what I appreciate But it's just like The fine motor skills Required to be a chef It's not just like He needs to walk him around It's like so intricate We have to do with your hands And fingers and the chopping

[01:16:14] But again You just have to The montage has to sell you Yes Right? And you just have to Be with them Figuring every bit of it He's blindfolded And Remi is seeing Without his vision Can I perfectly make an omelette Right And eventually doesn't

[01:16:28] He makes the little omelette too The little omelette Is when this movie Goes from like Five to six stars Right You don't even know When he cuts it with the key Yes Guys, sorry I take it back I mean that almost Made me cry more than Coco

[01:16:41] It's beautiful It's beautiful He doesn't get to eat it Which is devastating That is what's devastating That's your least favorite Thing in movies People make good food And they can't eat it Devour is Prada with this The stand goes in the steak Girls bird And the cheese sandwich

[01:16:55] But as we already Maybe we already said this But all of the food In this movie looks amazing We didn't say it And it's very important The movie wouldn't work If it didn't The food is incredible They must have worked so hard On it

[01:17:07] The thing that impresses me The most is how good The bread looks Because bread feels Particularly difficult to render In CGI and make look Organic That scene where they crunch it? Well, that's Colette very quickly is tasked with Right, Colette's in charge of him

[01:17:23] Which is the shit job You can tell Clearly you have some Good food instincts But you're not trained You're not properly trained So Colette's going to put you through the ringer And she gives that great monologue About everything she's had To fight through to be a chef Right

[01:17:36] Running down what everyone else Has been through Gun smuggler Murder Rightness And yet I am the most Fear woman in this kitchen Do you know why that is? Because she's fucking tough as shit She's in pants You got to keep your arms like this Is that a thing?

[01:17:50] Keeping your arms Like that whole monologue She does where she's like Keep your arms tight next to your body And like Yeah, I mean there are always people There are always people running around Okay And you kind of have to stay compact Sure The cuff thing, yeah

[01:18:04] The burns on the arm Yeah For me one of my biggest points of pride Is like having burns from cooking Sure Which just seems ridiculous But I think there is a thing with chefs Where it's like These are my battle scars Like a chicken gave me this Right

[01:18:18] Yeah But again also for Bert It's just about getting in Every element of the beautiful creative process And this is the element of Learning of opening your ears And listening to the people who know what they're doing And following The wise old men at Disney Studios

[01:18:34] You know, it's like You got to learn from the greats True And she finds in him Something she maybe wouldn't necessarily find In all the men of boys Who actually listening to her And following her Right Now Remy is listening to her

[01:18:49] Because he wants to absorb all this information Right, sorry Really it's Remy who's listening Right Linguini is just crushing hard Crushing real real hard On this nice lady Cause he's a bit He's a bit of a goober Linguini He is a bit of a goober

[01:19:04] No more than a bit He's a titanic fool Yes So now the other thing that's being set up Concurrently Is that Skinner Just selling out Gusto's name Yes Finds a letter Arrives in the mail Revealing that Linguini is The late Gusto's son Right Which I

[01:19:23] This is where you have the classic element of any kids Animated movie The scene where the chef meets with his lawyer And they discuss They discuss disputed wills Disputeed wills It's a long dry scene too I was like this movie is so good So good Yes absolutely

[01:19:38] I also like Referring back to the Gusto thing Where the ghost is a fantasy It's clear that the real Gusto Was maybe more of a flawed guy He has this illegitimate son Who he never dealt with And didn't talk to And I love that

[01:19:54] That the fantasy guy is like Yeah I guess Maybe I was your shithead I don't know Maybe I sucked Yeah But right Linguini is owed the restaurant Which let's be fair Like he doesn't really deserve No he wouldn't know how to run it

[01:20:09] And so much of this movie is about that Where it's like Just because you've got the name Or you've got the rep You're Roy Disney Yeah maybe Wow I mean Jesus Maybe Brad was really grinding some axes Like for some 1980s axes But yeah no it's like

[01:20:23] That does not convey quality And nor But that's the great chef Can come from anywhere But not everyone is a great chef It's about one thing It's about doing the work Yeah Which is somewhat unrandy In the event But whatever I love it

[01:20:38] But it's also he wants the work to help other Right but there's all the focus on the I don't I have no randex But there's all the expert on Focus on the whole kitchen And all the people That's true There's something collective The fact that there's no

[01:20:54] The idea is not that Remy like Can do it by himself Especially not Remy Because he's right He needs all of them That is true He is but a small rat Trust the people who are Capable of exceptionalism

[01:21:07] So that they can do what they are meant to do Sure and this is right This is where people wonder things about Brad Bird Because it's easy to take this down there But it doesn't matter We don't have to dig too far into that So Skinner has

[01:21:19] We have Tomorrowland A quest Yeah we'll talk about that Tomorrowland Skinner goes on a quest to get a hair Yeah he wants a hair There's also that great bit Where he grabs the hat off his head That I think is funny Yes Well he's also convinced

[01:21:33] That Remy is talking to a rat Which also feels like I think that's really funny Yes That's like a good bit He figures out Yes what the plot of the movie is He figures out the plot of the movie And he's like But no I must be insane

[01:21:49] And then he does go insane It's the movie like calling itself out For being so absurd It's like if he has fully cracked The plot of the film Everyone would think he's insane Well and there's that scene Where he talks to the lawyer Where he's like

[01:22:05] He wants me to think that the rat's important But the rat's not important That's a diversion Which is a really funny scene Ian Holmes very He's a good film Yeah good actor Good actor Ash Ash himself Bilbo Yes Baggins Of course A bag end I liked it

[01:22:27] He and his long pipe His wacky tobacco Yeah His obsession with the ring He loves the power Gotta get that ring Give me that ring Let's keep on stealing Awkerman vets I'm proud of you Yeah But I just love that like

[01:22:43] Rather than make him like a scary villain Sure This is a movie that successfully makes its villain very funny Without stopping him from being a threat Yes You're constantly worried That he could fuck things up for our heroes But he's just a laughable person Yeah

[01:22:59] He is a bit of a laughable person He's just sad And because what he's correct about Is so ridiculous It drives him insane And watching him trying to prove it Is like just good comedy And he's sort of salierious as well Because like he knows from good food

[01:23:12] It's not like when he's eating Remy's food that he thinks it's bad That's my favorite moment in time He knows it's good, yes And he's like we'll get to it But you know but he just can't be bothered He'd rather be successful He'd rather take it easy

[01:23:26] The same mode as many of the cooks In his kitchen Who like when After when he gets kicked out And they start trying to make good food again They're happy with that too Like they have that ability But before when he was just running it

[01:23:41] In a more commercial way They were like oh it's fine too Not to keep on parsing over this thing But I think that's also part of the bird thing Where it's like Some people are super happy Just like doing whatever job they have in front of them

[01:23:52] And they'll do anything to the best of their abilities What they need is for Brad Bird to come in Exactly And yell at them Yes And pull their hair so that they do what he wants Yes I hope not One hope's not one Who knows what's going on

[01:24:09] How awful would it be if there was an LA Times expose Specifically and exclusively about Brad Bird Pulling locks of hair What was your Who knows what's going on inside Pixar Sure But who knows But the hope would be that it would be more

[01:24:24] Along the lines of just pushing people to do Their very best work And that there is good enough And good enough will get you by most of the time But then there's that extra level On like the making of documentaries on this And Incredibles on the Blu-rays

[01:24:41] There are a lot of like The animators joking about All the sort of Brad Birdisms Like he's not warm He is terse He is exacting Yeah But he's not like tyrannical And they were like he always does this fucking thing

[01:24:56] He comes in to look at a scene where he's like Great it's perfect just one last thing Right And you hear just one last thing for six consecutive months Jesus You know you think you've done the one thing that's gonna

[01:25:06] Finally finish the scene and you're good to go Ready to move on to the next thing And he's like it's perfect one last thing There's always some extra spice he like wants to put in there But it's not like it's You know in vain No

[01:25:19] You certainly watch the movie and you're like This guy directed and wrote the shit out of this thing Sure You know Remy becomes a hit Remy becomes a big hit Using Lingweenie's body Yes He also starts dating Colette Simply because Remy couldn't like needs to distract her

[01:25:35] At some point right like that's how he gets into the make out Yes because Lingweenie hates that he's keeping the secret from Colette Who he's grown very fond of He's going to reveal that there's a rat in this I have a rash Yeah I have a rash And

[01:25:48] You have a rash Right Yeah Such a good one already A rash Remy pulls the hair to Push the kiss And there's the great one where she has the pepper spray Yes And then suddenly she goes like No Yeah She's great Right She's got her motorcycle too

[01:26:09] She's badass She's a badass She's cool No and I find they're pairing plausible Of course That's the thing it's you know like oh please He's a little middle boy for her to boss around That's right Especially because you imagine this is someone who has just not

[01:26:23] Allowed herself to have any sort of social life for 15 years Right You know like if she's going to date someone it's going to be in the kitchen That's the thing And there hasn't been a suitable boyfriend in the kitchen That's the thing

[01:26:33] Of course are so long and you know Everyone always says don't date a chef because they leave early in the morning They come back late at night You drink your nascent drink Exactly Yeah So how is it that Skinner gets exposed?

[01:26:44] Cause that's at the end of a whole long sequence With the will Oh he gets one He gets him drunk Yes Tries to get him to Tries to get him to reveal what's up with the rat And he does admit it

[01:26:54] But in his drunk way where it's not in crimiting Where he goes like I have a little chef up here And it sounds like he's talking about his brain Yes But then you know Remy finds the The letter That passes the restaurant Yes right

[01:27:11] When he's just snooping around with the ghost Cousteau Right and all the different Cousteau cardboard cutouts Which is fun Brad Garrett do his mad TV reall in the middle of the movie Yeah they do Brad Garrett very good Very good Yes yes very good please do it

[01:27:26] That's my saying about Brad Garrett Yeah sure But Remy finds it and tries to get it out of there Skinner finally sees Remy with his own eyes With the thing in his mouth Here we got it smoking gun this rat is smart He's pulling the strings

[01:27:39] Exciting chase through Paris Which is a thing I want to talk about briefly The action sequence in this movie are so fucking good Tremendous He's making foot chases with rats Yeah But Brad Bird has always been very good with scale We talked about with Iron Giant

[01:27:53] He's so good at selling the size difference Yeah But usually you know from very different scales Sure This movie is so good at shifting to when we're at the human level At the rat level How one sees the other The threats being perceived differently

[01:28:09] And the camera moves like a rat He's able to do these crazy kind of camera movements To like track with Remy and the rats down the streets of Paris And you just have this fucking awesome thrilling chase That ends with Skinner literally soaking wet

[01:28:22] And exposed while Linguini has The will Yes, and then they just sort of Not the only moment where they then just sort of Skip over some stuff He comes back and they're like Actually It's Linguini's restaurant And then he's just gone

[01:28:35] And then we cut to Linguini runs the restaurant They play a charming song by Camille There's a lovely montage where everything goes great And everyone's killing it And people are coming back And the reviews are good all of a sudden

[01:28:46] Even though Anton Ego has not yet weighed in No Which is a big deal I also like that Linguini is so sort of modest And lacking in ego Is he Waitering at this point or not? No, that only happens later That's right

[01:29:02] This is his second act downfall part Where he gets too big for his princess He starts thinking like he's the genius Because everyone's telling him that he's a genius And not acknowledging the fact that he's doing Zippo work other than a Purine human Linguini simmer down

[01:29:15] Simmer down Linguini Simmer down Linguini He is not al dente No I don't know So he tosses away Remy Who then gets captured by Yes, Skinner Who's got a Vengetta at this point That's right I'll have to forget about that And then the They're always having these conversations

[01:29:32] Out in the back yards It's so very straight And also the rats are being reintroduced At this point Like Dennehy's back The brother is back You've got that great scene with the cheese And the strawberry Where he's teaching him about like pallets

[01:29:45] Well isn't that the thing that he He catches a meal But not Remy with the trap No, he catches Remy with the trap And then he sees a meal And a meal helps free him You know they do the thing where they Like all smash it

[01:29:57] How do they free him from Yeah, but first Well, but no, we're going back to the First they You're always the one who's seen this movie 100 billion times Yeah, they were I just, yeah, I don't want to be too I will admit that I

[01:30:08] Own this movie on Blu-ray Put it in today Was happy to watch it Would not play Put it on three different devices Oh dear It was like a pretty early Blu-ray And I had like from the first And those Pixar Blu-rays They're like limited And they don't like

[01:30:23] And they also were putting Like a lot of games and shit on there When no one knew what Blu-ray Was is technology So I had to like get on the phone With Disney customer service To see if there was like a firmware update

[01:30:34] And they just are going to send me a new Hopefully a steel book But they're going to send me The newer Rattatouille DVD That apparently won't have a system in compact Because I put it on a PlayStation 4 PlayStation 3 And a fucking Blu-ray player Bad

[01:30:48] No good, very bad, don't do it Did you rent it online or something? I rented it online But after that delay I did not make it To the last half hour of the movie Before I had to leave Wow So I'm a little foggy

[01:30:59] Haven't only seen the movie Four months ago at this point Sure, sure I do want to say customer service at Disney She said, can I help you with anything else today? And I said no and she said Great, I just want to remind you that of course

[01:31:11] Walt Disney's classic Lady in the Tramp Is coming back out of the Disney vault Next month so make sure to check that out And have a magical day Right, and you said I'll take it She dropped it like it was just a casual That's so weird

[01:31:24] Of course it should be noted that Lady in the Tramp Walt Disney's classic The Vault is open I worked briefly as an usher at Aladdin and I had many I was very carefully controlled in the way that Sort of I moved and in the lines that I said

[01:31:37] And there were many occasions on which But this is in person rather than over the phone There were many occasions on which I would say something To people like when I was operating the elevator Or whatever And someone would just look at me

[01:31:47] And shake their head and just be like Disney You know I'm standing right here What would you like to say? You know it was a while ago And I can't remember But I had like You've got a friend like me in this elevator It was

[01:31:59] Not quite that bad We invite you to be our guest I don't know that's a different movie It was not that bad But it was all just like very Carefully controlled Like little things like You know I'll mind this step here

[01:32:13] And like step in here and on this level This is for blah blah blah But it was all like in a very Scripted way Did they hit you on the finger pointing? You know the finger pointing So I don't know if you know this

[01:32:25] I used to work at the Disney store In Times Square So we're cousins growing In addition to you and David being brothers We're cousins through the Disney family now So I had a similar Hellish period of criticisms on The circumference of my wave

[01:32:39] To entering shoppers not being large enough Hey Griff And we were watching from a few steps back And what you were doing looked a little like Hi welcome to Disney And I'd love to see Hi welcome to Disney Now do you hear the difference there?

[01:32:51] A lot of that on a daily basis It was great It's the closest I've ever come to suicide I wish I was joking but Not too close but the closest Sure Anyway A big thing that they pushed I just want to throw out this one last anecdote

[01:33:05] And I know they do this at the parks as well Is that you're not allowed to point If you want to give people directions Because it's too aggressive You have to point with two fingers It wears the elevator right down that way Two fingers to the left

[01:33:17] Fair enough Yeah They The rats return And yeah and this is where the movie Comes back around to something that you would imagine It might well have just left out Which is like the him getting his family To like sort of understand His crazy passion

[01:33:33] Because they're like that was a fun little phase But come back with us you're a fucking rat Right and he's like no I'm gonna like Come visit but I'm gonna keep doing this thing That I'm doing and then meanwhile yes

[01:33:42] He also shows his brother tries to show his brother How flavor works From audio boom And the minds behind mafia Comes covert A brand new God that really hurts my voice I was gonna say do you need a losin's or something Yeah I think so

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[01:35:36] On an Apple podcast and every other listening destination Hopefully Happy Mad Assemble will acquire it To produce a dramatic application Whatever podcast is open for Starting Alan Kovert So Anton Ego We skipped over Anton Ego's introduction Which is a great scene where he Well there's two introductions

[01:35:57] Brad Bird is the butler His introduction with his butler Where he like fishes his review out of like a filing cabinet And is like I declared this restaurant Like I had the last word on this restaurant Someone else gave it a good review

[01:36:09] And he's like I put a nail in that coffin What are you talking about Gustoze is good again He sits at his typewriter Which looks like a skull And his office looks like a coffin And it is fun That's great Though it suggests a more

[01:36:26] A meaner depiction of a critic Then we're ultimately going to get that thank god I love the depiction of the critic No I think it's great for like A heightened kind of portrayal of a food critic Cause they are kind of the worst

[01:36:36] That's the thing I won't say names But a lot of food critics totally have that demeanor An attitude Yes I just think He's not but they're not you know I mean obviously we're going to get to it But there is more There's ultimately more to ego

[01:36:50] This is in like Birdman level Depiction of a critic Well right But I mean it's like I think that even though it's very heightened Obviously very exaggerated And he's so evil looking He's so spindly Like Brad Bird is trying to wrestle with the power You wield

[01:37:06] Like you know And that's so much of his review That you went on Remember when you did like the longest intro ever To this obviously long episode Great idea that was by you Anytime You know where it's like He knows how much power he wields

[01:37:20] And yet he also knows that he isn't a creator Right And there is something so Like Very icky And speaking as someone who writes reviews Sometimes where you're like This person is putting their lives on the line To make this movie You know what I mean

[01:37:35] That I'm watching And I'm like You know Bad Stupid And it's not like my reviews will be that You know But like Sometimes like You worry about that imbalance Where you're like It's so naked Like to expose yourself Artistically Well and there's lines that are like

[01:37:53] Most often even the worst piece of work Will have more lasting value Than what I write about it Right But what he doesn't do What he avoids is that Anthony goes not a frustrated Artist Exactly Which is the easiest pitfall

[01:38:08] Like he just wanted to be a chef himself And this is his art form Right Yes and he's obviously He's good at it Yeah He cares about it He's not some great writer But he does have a thing where He's like I spit the food out

[01:38:19] If I like Right doesn't he have that line I don't love it I don't swallow it Can I just point out Just to underline This movie comes out 11 years ago At a sort of like A big pendulum swing Of anti-intellectualism Right But also Before

[01:38:36] A sort of new food culture That's like taken over in mainstream society Like I feel like we're a lot more Health conscious Than we were in 2007 When everyone was just Still going on Like look at super size Me Americans are all fat Only eat fast food

[01:38:49] And now like McDonald's We're all good sprelocks here Too soon Yeah McDonald's is like Trying to like Yeah Oh really you forgot Because literally Every single person No but you know like McDonald's is like Fucking revising its menu now To be more artisanal

[01:39:07] Because like kids don't want to eat food That doesn't seem like Healthy because healthy is cool I wonder how the movie would be different If it was made today Yeah Just in terms of the food I'm gonna throw out a crazy hot take I think this movie

[01:39:22] Actually helped perpetuate The rise of food culture In America Sure Because I think like You were a kid who already Went in loving food And felt elevated in terms of like The idea of following food as an art form I think the way he talks about food

[01:39:36] And the way it matters in this movie I feel like a lot of kids your age Really cite this movie And you're also like The kids who are going to like Eat better You know Have more health conscious Meal choices and stuff This movie positions food

[01:39:52] In such an art form That it's hard to watch it And just have a complete disregard For what you eat Because you're watching people for People You're watching rats And individuals for two hours Just waxing poetically about food And putting their whole life into one dish

[01:40:08] That ultimately is being consumed Within a matter of minutes But it's such It's such an art But the whole culture of like Food porn on Instagram And like the pop up like Gimmick novelty food events That like these places make That like Just like take over the culture

[01:40:26] And the amount of like hip food blogs And all this sort of stuff I think that part of it Is that like at least for Annual kids seeing this movie at a certain age Kind of activated something To like view food as art form

[01:40:40] The food is so pretty in this movie That's the other thing, yeah Yeah, you disagree It makes you hungry It makes you hungry There's a I like the sweet reds challenge too Like he's given the most disgusting Or not disgusting but Difficult to land assignment

[01:40:55] This is unrelated but it's also very related Griffin the pickiest beige eater in the world Has a surprisingly adventurous taste in French food When overseas his diet Consists solely of steak tartare Escargot Love Escargot Sweet reds Sweet bread They're good He loves it He loves it

[01:41:18] I'm like if you love chopped up raw steak Then maybe you would love this Absolutely Absolutely Gimme chicken fingers Why are you such a baby Not a baby, I'm a big boy I'm a big boy and I go poo poo in the toilet And you make no eggs

[01:41:32] I eat no eggs I didn't like that You'll eat the real stomach I eat those RX bars You do like those RX bars Which have eggs in them I know but that's the whole selling point Is I like that I don't have to see the eggs

[01:41:45] I get the protein from the eggs so that I don't look at them Alright, so after the big fight There's the second X Which again, this is where I'm saying I like the Incredibles more because the Incredibles I like this one of the Incredibles

[01:41:56] The Incredibles doesn't have some of those tricks Sort of like annoying at the end of the second act conflict Which is always just a little bit trying Yeah Because you know they're all going to bounce back Or bounce baby So Joey help me out here

[01:42:13] This is where Linguini reveals his, the truth Yeah, well first he and Antoni Go comes And Linguini can't make these amazing recipes They're all yelling at him They're all like there Well no, Antoni Go has this thing where he's like I want some perspective

[01:42:28] He's like where he's a real dick You gotta be honest, I mean he's not nice He's a dick to the waiter who is also depicted throughout the movie As an integral part of the restaurant That's true And good at his job

[01:42:40] Much like John Ratzenberger's integral part of Pixar's success Very true There's also, he also crashes that press conference When it's sort of like Remy Linguini's victory tour And that's when he comes in and is like I guess I'll have to try this out

[01:42:53] Right, but the perspective speech is fucking cool Because all the chefs are yelling at Linguini They're like we'll make it Just tell us how you've been Of course he doesn't know Right, because the Remy is gone Right And then suddenly who pops through that door

[01:43:07] I can't remember the exact mechanics Well it's because Remy has been freed by his rat brethren Oh yeah, sorry Remy comes back in and they all are going to kill him And then Linguini Linguini's like no, he's Swole rat really comes into play now

[01:43:20] A character who I think only has one line of dialogue But there's that one swole rat He's a big rat His name is Gitt He's thick He's thick And I also like that he has like a tag on his ear I don't know if you've noticed

[01:43:32] Yeah, he's a lab rat Exactly, the idea is that he was pumped through Full of some stuff But it also makes him look like a one-eering bodybuilder He is voiced by a bodybuilder Correct By Jake Steinfeld Yeah, it's his name Everyone's favorite character, Gitt They all leave

[01:43:48] They all leave, in disgust And even Will Ferrell leaves with this thumb Will Arnett Will Ferrell Takes his thumb with him No, even Collette leaves And even Collette leaves But then she comes back She thinks that even thinks about slapping him Yeah, it's true

[01:44:01] But yeah, that's it, you know Would you slap him, Romali? I mean I might slap him No, no, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no Absolutely not And then Brian Dennehy Has his sort of moment Jango He finally gets unchained Where he's like Realizes this matters

[01:44:21] And he realizes he doesn't understand this Right But We're here for you Yeah, this is why it's good to have the family Yes, this is why it's important that he brings this back Is that it's important for them to all come in And be the kids community

[01:44:35] And then this is just sort of like A static storytelling The slot machine is paying off at this point Where now we have all these rats Who you've somehow learned to accept Go through the dishwasher and it's cute So cute They're all fluffy

[01:44:49] And then they all work the kitchen And Remy's like directing them like a traffic conductor Because it needs like Four of them have to be on each utensil Right Yeah And it's kind of beautiful to watch like What you were saying, it's like a symphony

[01:45:02] Especially with this many creatures The fact that they're all working in unison To get this dish And then collect Collect comes back Yeah Because anyone can cook She remembers the maxim Anyone can cook And she probably realizes It's not said but she realizes the person

[01:45:17] Communicating with this whole time and teaching Is the rat Yeah it's true Do you think she ever has a moment where she was like Was I in love with a rat the whole time Have I been in like a relationship with a rat

[01:45:26] Crush on that rat pretty hard Well isn't it she goes off on her badass motorcycle And then She sees the Anyone can cook in the book window Yeah, that's right Reminded of the original mission Which I do love this idea that Gusto exists

[01:45:39] For everyone as this sort of like Skiting cold star Like yeah So She comes back in Like what are we gonna serve Yeah And Rami flips up in the book And picks out Ratatouille And this is also She's like it's a peasant dish Are you sure

[01:45:55] This is where I'm like Yes Romali is like pumping her face She's like got a number one foam finger And she's like It's like Skinner playing free bird I always say I think the best food Is one amazing chef's cook Really simple home food

[01:46:10] Which is why I encourage you to cook My current name she is but go on Right Right And that's exactly the first thing Ignore your brother You have no idea Six cheeses She did six cheeses I did do six cheeses I mean I really went all

[01:46:21] Some people could say she was flying too close to the sun Nah, she stuck that land there And then Sorry just a little Sure Brief story is Two days later Griffin wanted some leftover mac and cheese Just gonna toot my own horn for a second

[01:46:35] I was gonna just nuke it And so he put A huge scoop in a bowl And was about to put in a microwave It was like how many minutes? It was terrible The kitchen I was like No! You can't do that And I was like

[01:46:47] Just give me five minutes Right And she goes and sits down And argues with another family member And I got a couple to choose from You're like you Yeah, all argumentative It was a tense Christmas But this mac and cheese Brought us together Thanksgiving Oh yeah, Thanksgiving

[01:47:03] But I made a brand new sauce I mixed it in She like redid it It wasn't even like she threw it in a pan And then I put it in a baking dish With new toasted panko breadcrumbs Some thyme And put it under the broiler

[01:47:18] So it was like even gooier And cheesier And crustier I think it was better than the original mac and cheese It was like mac and cheese redux What you're describing is like How beautiful the redid to it looks As they make it It feels like that

[01:47:32] And watching it all come together Like out of nowhere I can feel the vegetables And my like melting in my mouth This is also the moment for me where Rom is burning up What do you guys say?

[01:47:41] So one other reason why this movie is incredibly important to me Is that Well no, I find it funny Our mother cannot cook And that is why in large part I started cooking Sure But every time I say Oh my mom can't cook She gets really upset

[01:47:59] Romly, that's not true I cook one thing There's one thing she cooks really well Radit Ah, yeah Zanoumans Zanoumen Zanoumen This is a dish that was designed by Thomas Keller It's a peasant dish Oh, but you're saying this specific The design of the ratatouille in this Beautiful

[01:48:19] It looks so good The only thing that looks better than what they make though Is what not to jump forward Is what we then see in Ego's flashback His mother's bread too Which also, which looks completely different Which I like And also looks great

[01:48:31] But I like that he didn't make his mother's food He just made the food that evokes it for him Yes Now I don't like vegetables because I'm a Philistine I also think if you actually had ratatouille in person You would hate it

[01:48:42] I've had it once and I was fine with it Okay I ordered it because I was like I should have it at this point You know, love the movie I should eat the dish But I watched this shot And I've never I never feel hungrier than I do

[01:48:55] Watching the reveal of the ratatouille When they take it out and peel the wax paper off of it Oh And then when he drizzles the sauce I was gonna say though This is the moment where this sequence Starting with

[01:49:06] It's like a seven minute kind of sweet that happens Starting with Remy pointing to the dish in the cookbook Leading through all the preparation in the kitchen Gigi knows score Score is wonderful Just fucking transcends the next level I think it's the best work he's ever done

[01:49:21] This is my favorite score of his I think I might agree with that I don't know though It's tough, is Incredibles not the best? His incredible score is like a astonishing Film score which is insane I know, it's insane And also the incredible score does similar heavy lifting

[01:49:33] At points like where the dialogue will drop out And it's all reliant on his music Sort of telling you how everyone's feeling Yes, but I'll say this sweet And I'm gonna pull up what the track listing is here When I'm going in for auditions

[01:49:47] Or I have a big show And I need to height myself up This is usually what I listen to Because it starts out kind of modest And I just think about Remy's inspiration And then the way it builds And by the end it's like this

[01:49:59] Da na na na na na na na na na na Like as he's preparing the dish And then right when they're like rolling it out And I love that Linguini is on roller skates He has no pretensions anymore He's got to serve everyone

[01:50:08] So it's just about economy of movement and energy The way it settles at the very end I feel like so focused and amped up But also not manic And it's my hype-up music Cool Yeah Yeah, it's a perfect encapsulation

[01:50:23] Of what I perceive to be his message in this movie Which is every little piece being put together Just the same as in filmmaking What would that seem to be without the piece For instance of Giaquino's great score Remy's on her phone So I just take her chair

[01:50:37] Yeah, it's beautiful Makes me cry And he serves the dish And this is the moment that everyone cites in this movie Is just like this transcendent piece of storytelling It's transcendent It's wonderful Where ego skeptically clicks his pen Forks a bite And then gets transported back

[01:50:54] To the last time he was truly happy in his life Last time he was truly comforted Right You know, it's like he's all banged up from like playing rugby or something Whatever it is, you know, or like he looks all dirty and sort of tired

[01:51:07] His mother like sits him down And puts the stew in front of him Which is like Oh my god That's the power of art, baby And he loves the food He demands to give his compliment to the chef And this is when the narration kicks back in

[01:51:23] This is where the movie is just so goose bumpy It's incredible Yeah, there's a moment because you know I think one of the reasons why I didn't I underestimated underrated this movie the first time Is coming off the run of Pixar movies before

[01:51:36] It's a lot less openly emotional The other Pixar movies are far more sentimental And I don't say that in a pejorative way I like sentimentality But Brad Bird's a lot more reserved with his emotions And so there isn't that Pixar cry moment

[01:51:48] That when people make fun of Pixar movies They always say like There's the cocoa scene There's the beginning of up There's boo with the door Right, whatever it is This movie doesn't have that But there's underlying emotion throughout the whole film Agreed

[01:51:59] And I'll say even the first time I saw it We go to this section where Remy's explaining How they had to wait for everyone else to leave Then Ego comes in He sees the rat He's kind of taken aback Remy's narrating it You're just watching Ego's body language

[01:52:12] And he's like astonished by it And then he just quietly leaves Yeah, he has some questions But apart from that Right And the review comes out And we go to Ego's voiceover And it goes through all the characters We've seen over the course of the movie

[01:52:25] As the reviews being read And at the last line where he says Nothing less than in my opinion The final chef in France And I'm getting goosebumps just reciting that There's a shot of Remy sitting I literally have goosebumps right now Sitting on a rooftop watching

[01:52:41] The sunrise in Paris And that feeling of this guy Who cares so much about this art And believed it was incapable That he could ever accomplish something great Being recognized as the best in his country While just having this moment where

[01:52:57] It's anonymous, no one knows who he is But he just sits on a rooftop Looks at the most beautiful city in the world And knows that he fucking did it It kind of, you know It takes a lot of body blows For me to cry during a movie

[01:53:12] I'm one who can cry But it needs to be a sustained Ringer of emotions But every time I see that moment I'm like, I'm gonna go and show I think it does make people cry In the same way as the Coco moment Or the up-seem

[01:53:27] It's just in a way that is almost confusing to them Because what's making them cry is a review A good review But also It's all building up to that And it kind of just hits you at the end But that's crazy in a way

[01:53:40] Because Antoni goes on the introduced Like half an hour before Like the construction of this movie And yet by that point You are engaged in it enough To make it a real movie Was this Peter O'Toole's final film performance? Well, Venus I believe was 06 Right?

[01:53:55] This comes out of 07 So I'm gonna look at his film It's also so boss that Bradford took over a movie 18 months before it came out And was like, you know who I'm gonna get? Peter O'Toole To play the chef The chief antagonist Slash critic

[01:54:11] In a film that was previously called Rats And starred Rob Schneider And the film was produced the same year Okay, and that was his last? No He has a movie coming out this year Called Diamond Cartel Weird It's... I can't even begin He plays someone called Tugboat

[01:54:31] I don't understand what's going on Armanda Santé and Michael Madsen are in it He's wearing a beanie I don't know He died years ago Tom Sizemore No, maybe not Tom Sizemore Anyway We can't get into this I think that's what we're coming up

[01:54:46] It's apparently coming out on Netflix this year So Get excited So, yeah I mean they outlined at the end how You know, the restaurant got shut down unsurprisingly We forgot to mention the health inspector Who they forget is coming and shows up perfectly

[01:55:02] There's like the rule in improv where they say Like the time you should do a callback Is the moment after the audience has forgotten about it So that they'll be blown away that you remembered the joke They set up the health inspector thing as a dangling thread

[01:55:14] It keeps on getting pushed off And then they don't bring it up for just long enough That when you walk through the door It's great It's such good physical Again, like in this sort of farce This building farce And then they'll just kidnap and tie him up

[01:55:26] Throw him in the meat freezer Oh boy It's so good Yes, of course, despite all of that Right Of course, because of, you know They can't push the logic that far The restaurant has to shut down And Antoni Go has to lose his job He loses his credibility

[01:55:42] When he was writing about a rat Which is crazy But then He becomes an investor in a restaurant called This is where I'm just like for some reason so devastated He got to open his own restaurant It's called La Rata 2 He's got a little spoon

[01:55:58] A beautiful song by Camille plays Who's Camille, man? She's a lovely French songstress Second time Griffin has mentioned Camille Singing about fucking rations I'm all about Camille You know what other song Camille did? What? The Jean-Phi de Paris The SNL sketch where they all do the dance

[01:56:16] Oh, I remember Camille I was big on Camille That's a fucking Camille song Our mom got really into Camille We're all done Yes And then beautiful end credits as always Very nice end credits 2D because Brad Bird was like I want to bring it back

[01:56:28] I wanted to get these Pixar animators Who haven't been able to do Hand-Drawn animation in years Yeah Since college Get them doing a beautiful 2D End credit sequence Let's play the box office game Okay Now people thought this movie was going to bomb

[01:56:44] They thought this was going to be the one To break the Pixar streak America hates cuisine High cuisine They hate it Right? Came out in the middle of the summer It was the first one without Disney oversight June 29th, 2007 And like many Pixar movies

[01:56:57] It was kind of poorly marketed The trailers weren't that good And the trailers are kind of bad The poster with all the knives thrown at him Is odd Like because that's not really something That happens in the movie that much And like the trailer and the poster

[01:57:07] They all did like the like phonetic Ratatouille underneath it They were like way too worried about like People not being able to say the title People not being able to pronounce the title Even though Ben liked the title Just didn't get that it was about a rat

[01:57:19] I mean it just invoked that dish Right And then I saw the movie for the second time And I'm like Oh What? What? What? That's too easy That's too easy The movie made 206 million dollars The box office did very well

[01:57:35] And I feel like it's one of the Pixar movies That has aged the best I feel like its legacy has grown At a larger rate And I was talking to some of my friends Saying I was going to do this podcast And everyone was like

[01:57:49] Oh I have to watch that movie again People love it People are always like Oh yeah Ratatouille I mean it's the last great Pixar movie In my opinion I disagree strongly But we'll talk about the Because you like Wally Wally's a masterpiece Right Wally's very, very good

[01:58:01] I also think Cocoa is great Cocoa is great And I think Toy Story 3 is Very good with transcendent moments Toy Story 3 I'm not interested But Inside Out is the other one That I would pick up for I don't think any of them hit this Kind of transcendent art

[01:58:17] Wally comes, I would agree Wally comes closer Yeah But that's not long after this movie This was the beginning of the end In the sense that Once they had been able to replace Yon Pinkova And they'd done that twice It became very comfortable I know, three powers

[01:58:31] I think you can get away with that But they're replacing directors And they also now don't start Letting their best short directors Graduate to features And it becomes a problem where We agree on too many sequels Once Disney takes over They sort of throw that down

[01:58:46] As the mandate And the other thing is That the new first time filmmakers They're letting make a feature Are only getting to do sequels To other people's movies So no one's really Estallishing a new, clear voice Heetson, Voice of Emile Brother of Rami

[01:59:01] He gets thrown on to Good Dinosaur After the dude who wrote The screenplay Bob Peterson Worked on it for two years Been directing it, got thrown off And for a year that movie Didn't have a director The picture was like We're just letting them We're gonna entirely

[01:59:13] Cancel another movie Newt Newt Which was, with Gary Wright Yes, Gary Wright's drum But again, he made a short The short was great One of the best sound designers In the history of cinema And they were like We'll give you a movie And then at a certain point

[01:59:27] They were just like, never mind Wasn't it going to be good Or it was going to be about A movie about a blue sky bird Or something Yes The thing with Newt Was that the plot was very similar To Rio The blue sky bird movie

[01:59:38] And they cancelled it Because they knew They were gonna come out Three years after Rio Who fucking cares about Rio Exactly, I agree with you Alright, so Ratatouille is number one Can you tell me It's opening weekend Number I think it was 51 47 Okay I remember that was

[01:59:54] Like far beyond Expectations Yes, because Number two is another New movie That people thought was Gonna be number one People I think thought Was gonna beat it It's called Live Free Or Die Hard The first PG-13 In this franchise As I like to call it Live Free

[02:00:09] Or Go Fuck Yourself Have you seen Live Free Or Die Hard? Sure Which one is that? It's one with Justin Long and Mary Elizabeth Winston Yeah It's the computer thriller Yeah It's fine Timothy Olyphant He like Shits down all the traffic lights With a computer

[02:00:25] Do you know what was Called Overseas? I don't know I forgot It's like you can't like hear it Yes And he like Fires a gun On the mother Himself or whatever Right Yeah You should see Die Hard 1 Around Yeah that's a good movie You would actually like

[02:00:41] Die Hard 1 Romely looks so disinterested At that suggestion Do you know a movie I recommend to Rom yesterday because of a gift That you threw Onto my timeline Or a quote You threw onto my timeline Should I shoot? Rom would fucking love Taloth and Mr. Ripley Right

[02:00:55] Oh yeah Great movie You would be my favorite movie I respond to Taloth Like Griffin What am I gonna do? Help me I'm freaking out Texting Griffin is just A 50-50 shot That's really what it is But then sometimes I'll say something That I'm like

[02:01:09] Okay there's no way He's gonna respond And it's like eight paragraphs Of like Oh my god and then this And then this Gotta keep you on your toes Yeah You definitely do Number three at the box office It's a sequel A truly Poorly Thought out Sequel

[02:01:24] To a comedy hit Not starring One of the like Other actors in the comedy Who they elevate to Oh Evan Almighty Evan Almighty I loved that movie You loved that movie That's insane I mean you were nine years old Right I mean it's He's gotta build a

[02:01:38] Eight years old Eight years old sorry Gotta build a narc Weirdly one of the most Expensive movies ever made Incredibly expensive A comedy that cost 200 million dollars Movie that threw Tom Shadik Isn't it? They threw him into like A crisis after it flopped And also a movie that

[02:01:54] Doesn't exist This is the first time anyone's Disgusted in half a decade Really doesn't exist Yeah Number four is that No no no it's Oh it's actually a very Underrated horror movie That I really like That you and I would always Misquote the trailer to each other 2007

[02:02:11] It is an original or a remake It's an original movie It's based on a book Or a short story Or something you know Based on a famous Author's work Wait is this a room Oh I know what it is It's 1408 Yes Well like Joey and I

[02:02:27] Misremember the trailer Where it's like at the beginning Samuel L. Jackson's like And you don't want to You don't want to go in 1408 He's in a Tom Shadik X And then at the end Well if I just say it It'll be over faster

[02:02:38] And the end of the trailer Samuel L. Jackson shows up And he's like I told you not to go in there That's not what I remember It as being It's not the way the line He does show up though It's like why did you do this

[02:02:49] My memory is that like He appears and there's like A sandstorm happening around him And he's like I told you That movie is also Weirdly successful Oh yeah good movie That's the second highest grossing Stephen King movie of all time I think Okay Behind it Last one

[02:03:04] Sequel to a superhero movie Sequel to a superhero movie In the year 2007 It was called Spider-Man 3 Nope What's that That's number 16 at the box Well that is the number One movie of that year Sure Uh Ben hates me The year is 2007 It's a sequel to a superhero movie

[02:03:21] Is it Fantastic Four? Rise the Silver Surfer That's right What a piece of poopoo Yeah More like A cloud Uh oh Look out for that cloud Uh oh Spaghetti What's his name? Galactus But he's just a cloud Oh well Dr. Joom's in it too Yeah

[02:03:37] But he's more of a He's supporting role He gets the surfboard at a certain point Yeah He's more of a nuisance than a villain Yeah right He's more of a depressing instant No no Not this guy again Yeah He's a villain in the same way

[02:03:48] That like Mr. Roper In 3's company's a villain Right Perfect Great joke Everyone loves it We're done with that joke Can I do something that's not a merchandise spotlight But I feel like it's worth talking about quickly Yeah Uh this was a big period

[02:04:00] Cause the home video market was huge Uh this was sort of the peak of the mock buster As they called it When like the asylum would make all these movies That were like trans morphers That would be on blockbuster shelves And people would be like Is that transformers

[02:04:14] When video stores still Physically exist Carry on yes There was a weird Brazilian company That did these for all the Pixar movies It was like the little cars And Ant's story Like they did it They did it for all Right and this starts

[02:04:26] The run of a couple years where They don't know how to fucking rip off Pixar Because they're hard Hard to rip off like up Well their whole game was That they would look at the trailer And they would animate the whole movie In four months

[02:04:38] And get on shelves before the thing came out So when the premise is talking cars They were like We fucking got this Yeah right And with this They called it Ratatouing Which means nothing And they just made it about A world solely inhabited by rats I mean sure

[02:04:54] And some of them work in a restaurant Here it is I'm looking at it I believe Yeah there's a chef Involved Looks good Ratatouing Beautiful animation Incredible We'll tweet that Yeah yeah And you gotta tweet this out I think the up one is called

[02:05:11] Like up in the sky A balloon adventure And all they knew was like Old man and little boy And balloons And it becomes like a competitive Like air racing film Sounds good Yeah they have Kiara the Brave Yes They have Tappy Toes That's a happy feat

[02:05:26] Yeah rip up Go check them out I think Ratatouing is available In full on YouTube We'll do a bonus episode on Ratatouing We will do that over Dead body Yeah So this is our episode On Ratatouing I think it was a great episode I do too

[02:05:42] We united the siblings Hashtag united the two I think it was great Yeah And now we just gotta get James on it some point Yeah get Jamesy Jamesy Newman What's his favorite movie I already asked him And he was struggling to think of a good one

[02:05:53] Yeah I'll tell you what he threw out As a possibility Supernatural Marlon Wayne's basketball comedy The Six Man Never seen it Never heard of it Oh really? And we might have to do that one Okay Great Who directed that one Was that Cassavetes

[02:06:09] Or who is on that one Yes Mademoiselle Almerra It's Wiseman's only scripted film The one time Frederick Wiseman Sure right yeah he decided to do this show into comedy Romley Newman Thank you so much for being here Thank you Any final thoughts on Ratatouille

[02:06:25] It's role in food culture I mean I just think it helps people Honestly think more about where their food comes from Yeah I mean I'm not just saying in terms of Oh is my food cooked by a rat Are their rats close to my food Sure

[02:06:39] Your food is created By a person Food is created Tensionality It's a form of self expression Are you calling someone right now? Someone's calling me Oh okay Food is a form of self expression Food is a lot about memories And childhood And all of that

[02:06:55] And I identify with that That's why I like chicken finger Really I mean no that is why he likes chicken fingers Sure because they came with a free toy And there are certain foods that if I tried them today I might not love them Okay

[02:07:08] But when I try them It takes you back It takes me back to another time You told me recently that you get Sy warp And now what you have to do is You play the game You want to get it If you have the knowledge

[02:07:20] I'm gonna send you back to the office To come here I like that Good You want to let me know You can come here You don't want to let me know You know Yeah No Don't You're not going to let me know You know You just could have

[02:07:36] You know I might not I could do that You know like, look, we lost it with that one, but you two were not repeating over the stage. You and James both had healthy appetites. Like you and James both from the ghetto, like,

[02:07:48] exactly, and my mom would make like, Griffin food or have Griffin snacks, and then there was what everyone else ate. Everyone else in my family loves food. I'm the one, I'm the anti-Remi of my family. And so there was this kind of weird,

[02:08:01] I didn't want to eat bad food, but there was also... Yeah, there's a connection there. No, but no, no, no, but my mom was like, don't eat bad food. So, you know, it was like, we would have Oreos, but they'd be organic. Numenos. Numenos.

[02:08:13] So pretty good. All of that. Also, it's so Griffin that he lives in New York City, and he's ordering Domino's pizza. It's the fucking most insane shit in the world. It's like such an offensive... It's crazy that you would do that. It's so bonkers.

[02:08:25] When he would babysit, I would look forward to the meal. So much, we'd get a pizza, cinnamon sticks with the fucking icing. Cheesy bread. Cheesy bread. Grims are good. And I honestly have such fond memories that if I ate that today, I wouldn't even think this sucks.

[02:08:42] I would think... You'd have an Antonino moment. Yeah. So that is my ratatouille. So if you ever become a food critic, make me Domino's. And I'll say, you know, I not to keep on harping on this thing, but I remember when this movie came out,

[02:08:55] like hearing a lot of people talk about how much their kids loved ratatouille. Like people with young children being like, my kid wants to cook now because of fucking Rami, because of the little chef. He's a good little chef. I do think it inspired...

[02:09:06] I mean, because you're like part of like there are a wave of like young food bloggers and chefs who were like all around your age. And that didn't seem like a thing that would be happening. The thing is when I started cooking,

[02:09:18] a large part of why I started blogging was because no one my age was talking about food and I feel like I had no one to look up to. Sure. And now it's crazy. There are teen food bloggers left and right. Teen food. Junior and... Master chef. Junior.

[02:09:33] They have like every vlogger. I mean, the teen chef market is huge. There's enough of a base of teen chefs to have a spin off of every single major food show. Which ultimately is great because it's raising a generation of people

[02:09:50] who actually care about where food comes from and how it's made and the art of food. But when this movie came out, that wasn't in existence. Yes. Joey, any final thoughts on this film and how? More or less the same... Where it places in the Bradford.

[02:10:05] It's significant for me for all the same reasons except about the artistic and storytelling process rather than the cooking part. But it's essentially the same thing obviously, which is sort of the point. But yeah, it's an inspiring movie about creative passion that you can't explain.

[02:10:23] And Bird is an inspiring figure to me for that reason. You idolize him. I was the kind of kid who sat in my living room. Well, I don't remember how young I was exactly. Watching Ratatouille's special features. Watching the Incredibles commentary over and over.

[02:10:40] I've seen it many times. It's weird how many times you've seen it. I've seen the least one. Dave mentioned our Iron Giant episode that you have the Mondo limited edition Iron Giant vinyl release, right? Yes. Do you have the Ratatouille one that just came out?

[02:10:55] They just released the Ratatouille soundtrack on vinyl. With beautiful art and they made the discs look like Ratatouille. Oh, no, I know what you're talking about. And yes, I have a different...

[02:11:07] It's the same art that is what my mom got me in a frame version for my birthday. You have the frame picture, yes. Because they released it both as the vinyls where you're talking about and then it was also a poster that you could buy.

[02:11:20] And my friend who went to the Alamo, Texas thing. Mondo Connor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bought it for me, brought it back. My mom framed it for my birthday. It's nice. That's a very nice set. Remi's sweeping and he's... No, he's stirring the...

[02:11:37] I mean, Remi's stirring and the linguine is sweeping. I just like that the discs look like Ratatouille. They put color in the vinyl so that it looks like Ratatouille. All right, we're done. Okay, and wants to kill us. Thank you all for listening.

[02:11:48] Please remember to rate, review, subscribe. Who wants to cook us? Cook us in a stew. Thanks to Andra Goodow for her social media. Joey C. Sims on Twitter. Romley Newman on Twitter. What's the better one to use?

[02:12:00] Oh, yeah, sorry, only I have one Twitter but I'd never tweet. Okay. Oh, but the one time I did with... Instagram, that's where you want people to follow you on Instagram. The one guy I did tweet recently was because Griffin bought me a Ratatouille mug at Disney World.

[02:12:11] Thank you. It was very minimalist and classy. I use it and there's a picture of me holding it. Yeah, it's got a little chef on it, comes a little spoon. But you can follow Food by Romley on Instagram. Okay, that's the thing to follow.

[02:12:24] It's all food and maybe I'll make Ratatouille and post it. Hey, now. Yes. For bacon cheese. Yes. I will also make Ratatouille. We'll do a Ratatouille off. Okay. And that will be our bonus episode, one of seven bonus episodes promised in this episode.

[02:12:40] Thank you to Pat Reynolds and Joe Bowen for our work. Thank you to Lea Monc and me for our theme song. Go to blankies.reddit.com for some real nerdy shit. Seriously. And as always...