Ready Player One

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to express All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check People come to the Oasis for all the things they can do

[00:00:23] But they stay for all the things they can podcast Yeah! Welcome to the Oasis Get ready for some ready- Ready Player, fun! Yeah! Ready Player! Fine. It's Ready Player. Okay. Ready Player. Ready Player. Okay Stephen. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. We're still doing the same bit. Yeah.

[00:00:50] Hello everybody we are hashtag the three keys. So I'm Copper. You're Jade. Right. And he's Crystal. Crystal. Ben Dusser's Crystal. I'm sick and I'm too tired and I honestly just don't have the energy to do the names. He ran out of steam right before my very eyes.

[00:01:09] He's graduated with some titles. Yeah, I don't know. Hello Phil. Fill in the blanks. Yeah. If you're listening to this and you've listened to our last March Madness recap You know that I was sick. I'm still sick. I'm a little bit on the upswing now. That's good.

[00:01:23] So we have three episodes that comprise my head cold. It's that one. It's this one and one that will come out two and a half years from now. Correct. That's where the big the complaints begin.

[00:01:33] It's literally an end of July episode where I'm still suffering from the same cold. Right. This is a cold that spans dimensions. Yes. Hello everybody my name is Griffin Newman. My name is David Sims. This is a podcast about filmographies. Yes. Jump. Duh, duh, duh, duh.

[00:01:53] A song that Stephen Spielberg definitely wants to do. Stephen Spielberg definitely loves. I have a feeling it's a good idea. Love. You can tell every time there's a needle drop in this movie that he's like, I cannot wait to play this song. That means a lot to me.

[00:02:05] There's not any, there's so few needle jumps in this movie though. There are enough. I thought it was going to be like wall to wall needle jumps. Everybody wants to rule the world they play. What's the one? We're not going to take it. Yeah.

[00:02:21] I'm just saying like this movie didn't even have like crazy credits. Tom Sawyer. Yeah, but they didn't know that Tom Sawyer is not in the movie. I was really annoyed about that. Oh, you're right. Yeah. It's a trailer. Take on me.

[00:02:35] No, but that's not in the movie either. Is it not? No, it's just reference. I already don't remember. You make my dreams. Was that, I think that was it. That's over the closing credits. The podcast about filmographies.

[00:02:46] Directly to the Master's success early on in their career and give a series of checks to make whatever crazy past products they want. Sometimes they clear. Sometimes they bounce baby. Oh, cheer up Griffin. Oh my God. Oh Jesus, he's dead. He died.

[00:02:59] Ben, it's just you and I David. An extra life. Hey, but guess what? Okay here. I've left behind a series of clues and you can figure out how to take over this podcast. You think if someone listened to this podcast,

[00:03:12] they'd be able to figure out what you like? I don't know. You never really get to talk about your passions. I tweeted this, but this movie made me feel like a Seymour and Ghost World.

[00:03:24] When Enid goes like there must be some woman out there you can meet who shares your interest because I don't want to meet someone who has my interest. I hate my interest. Like I watched this movie and I was like, I fucking hate my interest.

[00:03:36] Burn it all down. Welcome to a collective crisis moment in every nerdy boys, every nerdy millennials life. I don't know. Yeah. I was like, okay maybe we shouldn't be this invested in all this crap. Yeah. Maybe I should throw all my action figures in a fire. Correct.

[00:03:52] Sometimes a director we've covered in the past there were many series as a new film and we have to go back and cover it. Right. It happened with Split by M Night Shyamalan. We have to go back. We have to go back. Correct. Happened with The Post.

[00:04:07] Happened with The Post by Steven Spielberg and now it has happened at long last with the director Steven Spielberg. Yes. We have to go back just three months after he released an Oscar nominated drama. More prolific than everyone else we covered.

[00:04:20] With like a $200 million video game action movie. Yeah. Starring the hottest name. Ty Sheridan. Ty Sheridan. We do have to talk about Ty Sheridan's career though because it's fascinating. Sure. It's fascinating. I'm buttoning my shirt. Please keep it on. We're talking Ready Player One today. Yeah.

[00:04:42] Ready Player One. Can we talk Ty Sheridan for a second? I want to lead with Ty Sheridan. We're going to talk about the film Ready Player One, a Steven Spielberg film. A Ty Sheridan vehicle. A 26th film or something. I don't know. He's made a lot of films.

[00:04:53] I think it might be close to 30 now, right? A Ty Sheridan film. Steven Spielberg. Let's see. I think yeah. It might be 30. Maybe 29. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe 30. Good for him. It's a lot of movies. Is Indiana Jones what Ben? 30. It gets awkward. It gets awkward? It gets weird.

[00:05:14] What happens? Well, your body starts falling apart. 32, excuse me. And you have to start sort of facing your own mortality. I'm 31. Yes. And then what else? Oh, this is all great warnings for you. And then I'm right on the cusp.

[00:05:33] I guess you start a kind of feeling like you want to bring something else into the world like your biological sort of, I don't even know what would we call that? Like a bounce baby? Yeah. You want to bring in a baby. A baby.

[00:05:47] And then just pass along all of the knowledge you have. Sure. I'll say I know a lot about like Buckaroo Banzai and Pac-Man. Yeah. It's like you kind of want to be like, hey look at all these games and this nostalgia. Right.

[00:06:04] You get excited to want to teach. You know, yeah. Exactly. That must mean it's interesting. And that also means they're going to love it. Did you smoke 40 cigarettes before coming in here? News flash, I'm sick. Jesus Christ. That sort of happens when you're sick.

[00:06:22] Griffin had like eight teas at the Alamo when we saw this movie. Yeah. Turns out Alamo doesn't have a great sick menu. There's no chicken noodle soup at the Alamo. I'm sorry. You got kind of a noodle bowl bent or something. You got an Isle of Dogs dish.

[00:06:36] No, I didn't. I got a roasted salmon salad. Oh, was it good? It was actually good. Yeah, it looked pretty good. Wait, don't... This isn't gonna... I'm not going to be called like the fucking fish lover or something, right? I mean now you are.

[00:06:53] You're the one who said it. It feels a little repetitive. It does. I'm already a meat lover. You love meat. That fish is sort of, you know, it's flesh. It's meat adjacent. There was an Isle of Dogs special menu.

[00:07:03] I thought you would order from that where there was like a crazy complicated noodle dish that felt like... It did look vaguely Asian in your dish. The least conducive to eating during a movie. I know, trust me.

[00:07:12] I thought about slurping down a bowl of soup at a movie in the dark. Yeah, exactly. Who doesn't love doing that? I love to look at my bowl as I watch a movie. That's why, yeah, I always order soup.

[00:07:23] I'll say, you know, more and more lately I've been feeling like I'm gonna retire again. As we all know, I retired a couple years ago and then unfortunately I got cast on the tech and that ruined everything. Sure. I'm gonna retire again. Someday.

[00:07:35] Just as soon as the tech finishes season 10. Right. I'm gonna retire. Uh-huh. But I've just been, I've been feeling like I fuck all of my career ambitions. Okay. Goodbye to all of it. When I was watching this movie I went, everything I like is dumb.

[00:07:54] Throw it in the rear view. I just want to raise a child and have that child be better than I am. I want to raise a child that's in touch with nature. You sound like you're gonna give your kid a complex.

[00:08:05] You're gonna be like, go outside and be with nature. And the kid's like, this Star Wars thing you like, that kind of seems cool. And you're like, no, no. Okay. No. Here's the thing. Honestly my goal is to give my kid no complexes. Yeah. That's my specific goal.

[00:08:20] If you go in with a plan, I think you might give your kid a complex. I'm not gonna go in with any sort of plan but I might move to the Andes. You're not moving to the Andes. You might move to the Andes.

[00:08:28] That's gonna give your kid a complex. If the kid finds, oh, so every kid who lives in the Andes is fucked up? That's every... Offensive actor's son whose parent has decided to live in the Andes. He wouldn't even know I was an actor. Definitely has a comp.

[00:08:43] He wouldn't even know I was an actor because I'd be retired. Uh-huh. Right. So you won't talk about your life. I'm just saying you're assuming that anyone who doesn't grow up in a big city is ruined. Oh no, everyone who grows up in a big city is ruined.

[00:08:54] Thank you. So I'm saying let's move to a mountain top where Amazon, even Amazon can't reach us. I don't think they have cheddar bagel twists on the top of the Andes. What are you gonna eat? It's the only thing I would miss. Yeah, exactly. I would die.

[00:09:09] You would definitely die within minutes. Really, hi, where's pizza? They'd be like, what? They'd be like, no man, like I thought you wanted to retreat from all public life. I just want to raise a good kid. All right, well let's not make…

[00:09:22] Doesn't watching this movie make you hate everything you love though? No. Really? No, we're on different sides of this. I do not feel the way you do about this movie. Everyone's too worked up about this movie. This movie is becoming like this sort of like, you know…

[00:09:36] Yeah no, this makes me… Nightmare moment or something. Like, relax. This movie makes me nostalgic for World of Warcraft. Remember those fun summer days? Oh, I love Gouldon. Gouldon? I don't know what happens in Warcraft. Orcs. Okay, so this movie is based on a novel by Ernie Klein.

[00:09:56] Yeah, the guy who wrote fanboys. Yes. What else is he? And then he wrote a book after that's called Armada. That was like a last starfighter type thing. Yeah, that was post-Ready Player One. Yeah, I never read that. I mean, I never read this book either. It is…

[00:10:10] And a lot of people have been pointing this out. This is not an original thought. It is crazy to think about when Ready Player One came out in 2011 versus like where pop culture is seven years later. Yes.

[00:10:21] You know, like when Ready Player One came out like the Marvel Cinematic Universe thing, people were still like, I don't know, a Thor movie? Like everyone relaxed. We all thought that Avengers was untenable. Yeah, Avengers is like…

[00:10:33] In one whole movie they're going to do a whole story for everyone? I don't think so. Yeah. And people at the time were like, okay. It was a moment where geek culture was now like commodified and mainstream and you know,

[00:10:47] you had like your Nerdist podcast and your, I don't know, South by Southwest had all that nerdy thing. I don't know. I mean David Chen said if this movie had come out 10 or 20 years ago it would have been a watershed moment.

[00:10:59] Yeah, but I saw that tweet but that doesn't… I don't know what that means. Like because how this movie wouldn't come out then. Well it could have come out then because everything it's referencing is from before then. True. But there wasn't a lot of nostalgia yet.

[00:11:13] You know, you got to build up the nostalgia, right? Isn't that like, you know, the people who are making this stuff now they grew up in the 80s, right? That's the argument. I mean not Steven Spielberg to be clear. But we're still caught up on the 90s.

[00:11:24] I mean really we're more in the 90s. The 90s wave is coming, right? Yeah, that's I feel like that's going to be insufferable like two years from now. But I think we're in the middle of that. Right, but it's going to get worse. Sure.

[00:11:36] I just think you go, I love the 80s was like 2003. Oh, was that peak 80s nostalgia? No, I'm saying that's when we really start chewing the 80s stuff. Sure. Right? I don't say, I'm not saying that show was responsible for that but I'm saying

[00:11:52] that was the beginning of the wave. Yeah. You know? The tip of the spear. Sure. That was inevitable. Okay. I think we're pretty firmly in 90s stuff right now. I think we're already even tiptoeing into early 2000s stuff.

[00:12:05] Yeah, but you know movies are slower than TV or slower than the internet. You know this thing takes, this stuff takes longer. The point is earning client-bird a book in which the knowledge and love of all

[00:12:17] the pop culture that he grew up with is the most valuable currency in the world. He wrote, right, yes, yes. That's the world this is set in. Right. The real world is ruined. Right. Just forget it. Right. Just bad. But everything's defined by his generation's pop culture.

[00:12:38] The man who made the virtual world everyone lives in loved the 80s. Much like the man who wrote the book. Sure. Right. And so, right, it's this like ossified hellscape where everyone needs to know, just say an 80s thing. The fucking noyter or whatever.

[00:13:00] The wing commander, they have when he's know the code. Exactly, yeah. But everything's stuck in sort of an infinite feedback loop. Right? We're just chewing over the same 80s stuff. I mean essentially like... This movie has a lot of 90s stuff in it.

[00:13:21] Which mostly is legal work around stuff. The book, which I have not read, I have delved into it. And it is... And I hate to say this, much nerdier. It's like a lot of like Zork and D&D and like fucking like Black Tiger and Rush.

[00:13:43] Stuff that's more really like stuff that's left in the 80s. And also in a movie, you can have a dense image in which a character zooms by the screen quickly. You don't have to call attention to it.

[00:13:56] And then in this, you have to be like Batsmaru walked by in a book. You have to say it. You know? David is enjoying Batsmaru. Oh boy. And like, yes, there are things that we'll talk about such as like Ultraman is in the final fight of the book

[00:14:12] and they couldn't get the rights to Ultraman because the rights to Ultraman are kind of like a fascinating little like story on them themselves. So they were like, well, Warner Brothers has the Iron Giant. So let's do that. Yeah. Stuff like that happens.

[00:14:23] And that's what happens when you make a movie, especially a movie like this. But it's a movie in which society has fully crumbled because we have spent all our time just regurgitating the same pop culture over and over again. Yes.

[00:14:37] Which the movie feels like it is existing right on the sort of razor's edge of satire. And it's like, I'm sorry, I don't want to pay attention to any of that. Right. Okay. Like there's kind of a chilling Twilight Zone ask be careful what you wish for. Yeah.

[00:15:00] Movie right on the edges of what this story is acknowledging.

[00:15:05] And I think anyway, the movie acknowledges it is accidental is a byproduct of them having to adapt the material because I think he pointedly avoids interrogating any of the ideas that are kind of accidentally baked into the cake. Maybe. All right.

[00:15:19] Well, this isn't a larger question about criticism, but I see a movie and I take away what I want to take away from it.

[00:15:25] And I think I agree with you that yes, I don't think speed up Spielberg is that interested in like interrogating how creepy a world like this is.

[00:15:35] But the movie also does kind of end with this sort of like very lame conclusion of like, you know, it's good to go outside once in a while that feels like that feels like Spielberg like insisting on that. That's not in the book.

[00:15:48] But also good to go outside once in a while is spoilers coated with now I'm super rich. I mean a partner that's surrounded by all the pop culture that we used to indulge in in the Oasis and I get to make out with my hot girlfriend.

[00:16:00] Yeah, good for him. Makes out with hot girlfriend. Fuck everything and the world. You're too mad about this movie. I'm sick. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to have seen it. Well, you saw it. I know and I wish I was in bed.

[00:16:10] Ty Sheridan. Cheer up. Cheer up. Come on. I'm sick. What do you want me to do? I'm a man. It isn't. It's a gentleman six. Exactly. The battle toads are this movie. They are. Ben liked that. He shouted them out. He said, battle toads.

[00:16:27] I got excited when the fucking when Robo cup shut up for a millisecond and that was the only one of the pop culture things that gave me a semi. I didn't care about any of that shit, but I never care about that shit. I just don't care. Okay.

[00:16:42] Like, and I love. And I'm an idealist. I need to cheer up. No, it's just like. I just don't care. Everyone is doing this movie as a is a fine this guy a battleground and you know, for good reason.

[00:16:56] I think I think you have to view it that way because of where we are viewing every piece of pop culture as like moral battleground. But I guess that's a moral battleground.

[00:17:05] But I think this movie the way it reflects our times and like where we are in a pop culture landscape and where we're going. This is exactly what I'm saying. Like every movie has to be this now or it's like, right.

[00:17:16] Like what does this say about the moment? And it's like, well, there's a movie they've been working on for years. Like, you know, this. Okay. Here's a movie about. Yeah, I know what it's about. Love of nostalgia. Yeah, I know.

[00:17:28] Being the greatest currency in the world directed by the most powerful filmmaker alive. Right. Who's directing it as a sort of desperate plea for relevancy. You think he's making a desperate free plea for relevancy? Yeah. Why do you think that?

[00:17:44] Because he hasn't had a home run blockbuster in a while. I don't think he cares. I think he cares. I think he wouldn't make this movie if he didn't care. Then why didn't he make like Robo-Pocalypse? That's less of a slam dunk than this.

[00:17:59] And I'll say this to you. I think one of the reasons he makes this is because he didn't make Robo-Pocalypse. Well, yeah, I think he wanted. I think we whatever.

[00:18:08] You're doing the thing that I don't like anyway where I'm like, you know, it's like he did this because. I feel like you're setting up untenable terms for us to discuss this movie. No, it's just like you're saying because you don't like it being desperate for a hit.

[00:18:18] I think he just wanted to make a big movie. Like it'd been a while since he made like an action movie. His last action movie is Tintin. Which didn't do well. But like his last real action movie is Crystal Skull I guess. Which people hate.

[00:18:30] Yeah, it did really well though. Yeah, so I'm saying he has one movie that's good that did poorly. Don't you think he just likes to sort of switch it up? Like, you know, I did a drama and now I'll do a fun movie.

[00:18:39] His line of thinking is interesting because you know what I think? It's kind of almost like when the band breaks up that big band. Yes. And then they go back out and do a reunion tour. And it's just playing the hit. It feels like a reunion tour.

[00:18:53] It's fine. But it's also like you want to see them and their prime, their heyday. Or you want to see them age into a new era as a band. Oh, what she's done. You know, you can go watch.

[00:19:05] Go watch fucking Munich or the poster where you know you're going to go watch late Spielberg like minor keys. But he wanted to make a block bridge though, right? Right. Well, he's making a blockbuster. Yeah, but he's just borrowing like kind of retired old. Yeah.

[00:19:18] No, but no, no, no, I disagree with you. It's different though because he made the. No one's ever made a movie like this period. This movie is crazy. It's a great side of video game. Yes. And it has graphics that are completely mind blowing that everyone

[00:19:31] is just like, oh, it looks fine. Wait, hold on one second. Sit inside of your game graphics completely mind blowing. Oh, I think Wreck-It Ralph is on the phone. He wants to talk to you. Can I talk to him? Yeah. Hey, Ben, it's me.

[00:19:42] I'm going to wreck it. You're the best. Bad Riley for cold. Come on. Wait a second. Now it's getting remind. Come with me into the ice age. I mean, probably would have been a fine Wreck-It Ralph. Yeah.

[00:19:57] Would have been a different sort of rage, like more of a like sign-feldy rage. Yeah. Like Riley is good at like primal rage. I understand that you hate when I tie movies into everything else in the world. No, no, it's more like it's like the psychology of Spielberg.

[00:20:12] He's a tough guy to read. I think it is impossible to actually engage with this movie and not engage with those elements, especially if we're going to talk about it for an extended period of time and not a fucking eight minute lights, camera, Jackson segment. Okay. All right.

[00:20:26] Relax. Beyond that though, I'm not talking about. I'm just saying it's like, and I have to consume a lot of writing in my job and a lot of culture. Humble break. I know. Yes. It's a huge humble break.

[00:20:38] And it's like, I think that it's, I admire of you tried to discuss like how weird this movie is. Yeah. But like, I just hate or I just, I don't prefer to assign like the evil of fanboy culture, which is evil and out there. Uh-huh.

[00:20:57] And saddle all of it onto the movie because that's just a lot for any movie to overcome. And I don't think Spielberg is someone who spends all day on Twitter, uh, being a racist or whatever. You know, like, you know, does a lot of the things that

[00:21:10] these people do. I agree with you 100%. I don't think this movie is trying to feed the bees, but I think there are two things going on. Right. I think one, there's a bit of sort of just complete ignorance as to the landscape right now. Yeah.

[00:21:24] He's, I think he thinks video. I mean, he's, he's old in the video games, right? Like he's, it's just a different thing for him. Right. I don't think this movie needs to address Gamergate at all. Oh no. Jesus. But I think to make this movie and not understand

[00:21:40] how Gamergate- Not just Spielberg making a Gamergate movie. But my point is I think to make this movie and not understand how Gamergate has changed Gamer culture is a sort of willful ignorance. But that's, that's another thing that's bad. That's sort of the point I was making earlier.

[00:21:54] This book, which once again, sounds stupid. I haven't read it because it always sounded kind of dumb to me. Agreed. Came out before Gamergate and like, and yeah, now I know. And I know that now they're making this movie and like it's afterwards. Oh yeah, I know.

[00:22:10] But like it's funny to think about how much things have changed in online fan culture in just a few short years. I agree. They made this movie last year, right? Like they like filmed it. Yeah. No, I think I made it in 2016 actually. Yeah, because I auditioned.

[00:22:27] Because he was in post production. I don't know if you know this. I auditioned for Wade Watts. I think I did know that. I remember that. Very stressed out. I felt like I kind of blew my audition. We were doing Blank Check when he did that audition.

[00:22:36] We were doing Blank Check and I can't really depress because I was like, this is my big Spielberg shot and I blew it. Well, but I also- I don't know if this is the role that you want. I have no regrets now.

[00:22:46] Although I think this movie would have been fun to make. But probably. But. How much mocap was it do you think? Like is he there when they're doing that show? 100%. Cool. He kind of- this was another at bat for him

[00:22:59] to do the 10-10 thing, which I think he really liked doing. Right. Yeah, I think that's a big aim for doing this movie. But I auditioned for this. The casting people on it, Ellen Lewis was one of the best casting directors alive. Famous casting director.

[00:23:14] Does all of Spieli's movies. Does all of Scorsese's movies. She's like when you're watching the post and you see fucking Zach Woods or whatever that's Ellen Lewis. Yes. So she cast Vinyl. Right. And we were on Vinyl so she brought me in

[00:23:28] for that very kindly because I was kind of in the atmosphere at that moment. In her- In her atmosphere. Right. You gotta get back in her atmosphere. You know, I- Scoop. Ben and I are leading forward. When we were doing our Spielberg miniseries

[00:23:44] I ran into her taking the bus and we talked about Spielberg and Scorsese for like a while. Wow. And she was talking about, she was trying to cast his- The Pope movie. The Pope movie. And the whole problem with that was that they never could cast it, right?

[00:24:00] Like they couldn't find the kid. And she was like we're on like month five of not finding the kid. And that was supposed to be the next thing. I know, I know and he tossed that. It was sort of supposed to be

[00:24:10] Ready Player One and the Pope movie. Right. And then the post took that. It was Ready Player One and the post movie. Right. Yeah. But she was saying, you know, it's the same thing with Marty and Steven. Her words not mine. Sure.

[00:24:23] Where she said they develop a lot of things. Yeah. They find a lot of stuff they're interested in. A lot of post-boy love. And a lot of stuff comes close. And she was like I cast 95% of silence in 2004. Yeah. I remember that.

[00:24:36] I remember some of the stars that were- In terms of all the Japanese actors. No, no, sure. She said I went to Japan. But then remember they had like the stars in place. There was a point where it was supposed to be,

[00:24:45] I think Daniel Day Lewis, folks from Rehoffman and Gale Gerstia Bernal. Sounds right. And then it kept on shifting. It kept on going with three name guys. Benicio was one of the three guys at one point.

[00:24:55] I was about to say it was always like one of the guys was Hispanic. And you were like shouldn't they all be there? Or none? Like they're Portuguese? I don't know. But she cast all the Japanese actors in 2004 and then when Cercese was finally like

[00:25:08] I got the money we're making in eight weeks. Right. All but Kenwantanabe could do it and recast him with his Higogada. But she was going through the same thing with that. But anyway, side tangent. She brought me in for Ready Player One. Yeah, Ellen Lewis is great.

[00:25:25] Bomb ass. She's a real man. She's phenomenal. She brought me in for Ready Player One which was an act of kindness on her part. But I auditioned for Ready Player One with my vinyl look. Right. So you didn't look like a fresh faced young geogame boy.

[00:25:41] I looked like a child boy. I was going to be kinder? No, don't be kind. You look like a porn tech. I look like a porn tech. Like the guy holding the boom mic? Yes, I did. And then later maybe you have some blow

[00:25:52] and you try to talk someone into hanging out or whatever. And it was like the dead of summer. It was like 120 degrees and I showed up and I was dripping in sweat which is like a bad look. I had like gained weight. I had a mustache and sideburns

[00:26:03] and unruly mop of hair. We used to talk about Star Wars together in a closet. And I looked like that. You looked like a pedophile. It was insane. Yeah. I mean my joke was that I looked like the only person who was simultaneously

[00:26:16] a pedophile and a victim of pedophilia. You're a smaller guy. Right, I look like an aurous boros of sexual assault. A human centipede. I looked like a human centipede. It was a bad period for me visually. You're going to cut everything we've said so far out, right Ben?

[00:26:34] Especially all the coughs start over the podcast. The best part is that when we sat down Ben was like, remember, we're just going to kind of post this one raw. Yeah, it's going up quickly. We're doing a... Yeah. We are like so like a child molester

[00:26:46] or a born adult. Oh, I've noticed all this. None of this is going to bake it into the episode. Fantastic. Don't worry about it. Yeah, okay. Here we go. Hey, David. Yeah. You know these days you can get practically everything on demand. Like our podcast.

[00:27:01] You can listen to whatever you want. It's convenient for you. So let me ask you this. Why are you still taking trips to the post office to mail letters and packages when you can get post on demand with stamps.com? We're trying to be nostalgic. Yeah.

[00:27:11] I mean, I think... It's a retro. You think it's a cool retro thing? Only 90s kids will understand. I think that stamps.com, which is service we use and we will use for merch soon coming soon. Yes, coming very soon.

[00:27:22] And we're of course just talking right off the hip right now. Is it's just something that's very convenient and like helps you buy and print official US postage for any letter or package that you use right from your computer? 24 seven. It's convenient for you.

[00:27:35] And you know, mail carrier comes and picks it up. You click, you print your mail and you're done. You buy it here. You can be in print official US postage for any letter, any package using your own computer and printer. Any mug? A onesie? A mouse pad?

[00:27:51] People still buy mouse pads? We should sell mouse pads. Maybe, I don't know. Isn't that weird how like it used to be like I'm setting up and I need like a computer. And a mouse pad. I need a desk and I need...

[00:28:03] Oh, I better have a mouse pad. Yeah, that's Spielberg's next movie. Look, you just click print mail and you're done. It couldn't be easier. Yeah. So you guys can use stamps.com right now. You can use the promo code check for this special offer.

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[00:28:42] Yes, of course. I'm going to be filming. You think I'm mailing out merch? I think Briff's going to mail out all the merch. All right, I'm doing all the work. But it will make it really easy because I'll be able to weigh all the items

[00:28:53] and then just have the postage printed right there and just send it out. I genuinely have in my entire life found sending packages very daunting because of the weight thing. And we have a scale now and it's been great. And I'll say this, you know,

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[00:29:38] So, ready player one? Yeah. I read this script in 2016. Did you read the whole script? I did. I was surprised they sent it to me. I'm surprised too. That's amazing. Now I feel like the draft I read was the one right before Spielberg came on.

[00:29:51] It was like the pure Zac Penn draft. Wait, but Klein wasn't involved early? I think Klein wrote the first script. Yeah. Because the credited writer's a Klein and Penn. I am told that I am sure that other people did passes

[00:30:07] on this script and it's very different from the book, like very, very different from the book. The general plot structure is the same, but the book is like completely different. Now I'm curious to see if I can find the email. Ooh, find the email.

[00:30:17] I think it was a Klein Penn draft. That makes sense. I think they worked together. Zac Penn, who we were talking about off Mike, who's a real like boring hired Hollywood guy. Hey, come on. He's my uncle. Oh, is he? No.

[00:30:31] I typed in ready and I got that my best buy order was ready for Pekka. What was it for? Last Jedi steel book. Don't at me, bro. You got a steel book? I got a steel book. I've crazy about steel books now. Oh my God.

[00:30:43] This is a real heel turn. Steel turn. I've already said this. I've been buying steel books like a bean. I just want to make clear that when I said steel turn, which I thought was really funny, I hit Ben with my hand. Cancel our show. Cancel our podcast.

[00:30:57] Griffin, he wrote occupy blank track. Now that's a real 2001 flashback. I know. 2011 only 2000s kids will understand 2010 kids will understand boy. I feel bad for the 2010 kids. Yeah, they're going to have trouble being like, man, wasn't it great in the 2000 teens when let me check this.

[00:31:16] Donald Trump was president. Oh, wait a second. When all of our seminal pop culture was reboots of other generations pop culture. Hey, man. The very problem. But that's what the Star Wars is in the 70s. It's reboots of 30s pop culture. Hey, rampage is an original idea though.

[00:31:33] And I'm very excited about it because big is never met picker before. Would you say that with Zach Penn and Ernest Kline Big Met bigger? Yes, 100%. I don't have the email anymore. I just want to say someone pointed out. It's too bad that you don't have the email.

[00:31:48] Right. Like the big difference between force awakens and the last Jedi, right? Is that like Star Wars was Lucas putting together a pastiche of all these different things he grew up with. Yes. And blending into something now because whatever adage you want to use are only six stories.

[00:32:05] That's a 100%. No, I'm not. Right. Force Awakens, a movie I like. Enjoyable. Still a defend is a movie about Star Wars. Absolutely. Whereas last Jedi is like its own thing. But we're still playing in the same sandboxes as opposed to like mixing and matching elements. I agree.

[00:32:22] I mean, I'm not saying like Hollywood's got some, you know, looking in the mirror to do about some of the shit that's coming down the pipe. And not just Hollywood. I think all of media. No, I think that it's just Hollywood and everyone else is blameless. Yeah.

[00:32:35] By the way, what's number one on the TV ratings? Oh, Roseanne. The biggest premiere of the last 10 years. Pretty much. We have to go back. Yeah, we sure. What I was going to say. I read the script. I read the script.

[00:32:53] It was pretty shortly after he had been announced as the director. I think Zach Penn and Ernie Klein wrote the script together. But the notion was always there's how are they going to fucking make that movie? They won't be able to clear the rights. It's impossible. It's unadaptable.

[00:33:07] And then when Spielberg signed on, they went, oh fuck, it's Roger Rabbit. He's going to be able to call in the favors and get all the different properties in here. Right. And he's going to be able to get the carte blanche or the black check, if you will.

[00:33:18] To make this film the way he wants. Right. I remember reading the script. It feeling like, despite the structural changes to the material, a pretty straight adaptation of the messaging of the book. It kind of went in one ear and out the other. I went, OK, cool.

[00:33:36] I got it. I feel like I kind of sped read through it. Yeah. And because I even went, Spielberg's going to take up a strong, strong like fork and knife to this thing. Yeah. He's going to chew it up and spit it back out

[00:33:50] and turn it into something different. And I'm surprised by how much this film is kind of in line with that. Maybe it's just the pre-vis. Like maybe it's just like, at a certain point you need to lock the script. I don't think it's that.

[00:34:02] I think it truly is. I think there were two things he was interested in doing here. One is, I think he's been moving towards more adult fare. Sure. Right? So he wants to... His blockbuster movies haven't worked as well.

[00:34:16] He hasn't had one that's an unqualified Jurassic Park type for the fans and the critics movie in a long time. Yeah, I don't even know what you call... I mean War of the Worlds, I guess. But even those were like divisive films.

[00:34:29] He was making his big Spielberg blockbusters, but they were dark and haunted and post-911 shadow of the towers kind of stuff, right? Right. I think he wanted to just do a crowd pleaser. I don't think it was out of like fear of like have I lost my mind.

[00:34:45] It's a movie. He was like, it's not a film, it's a movie. That was his like selling point. But I think he picked this property that to him felt like path of least resistance. It's fun. Just like a fun grab bag. There's nothing to deal with.

[00:34:57] I also think he really liked the Willy Wonka elements of it. Yes. Which he seems to really engage within this movie. Yes. And he put a lot of time and energy trying to get Gene Wilder to play Halidek. Then Gene Wilder died.

[00:35:11] Gene Wilder died after saying, I don't want to do this. Fair enough. But he died. He was right on the cusp. August 2016. Right. I think Gene Wilder in this movie would have been really depressing. A, because clearly he was in a very feeble state at that point.

[00:35:25] Well yeah, he had like Alzheimer's disease. Yes. Yeah, it's sort of hard to imagine. And B, I just think seeing Gene Wilder talk about space invaders. That's not what he did though. He didn't do that. Right? What? Gene Wilder. He didn't do that. Thank God.

[00:35:42] He didn't do the movie. He didn't do the movie at all. Right. But we had, the good thing happened. Right. The best performance in the history of cinema, Mark Reiland. Yeah. The best thing happened. But the point was he wanted to put that final point on it

[00:35:54] and be like, I'm literally making the Willy Wonka movie. I'm going to have the old Willy Wonka in the computer. I guess what you're saying. My only question is like how is that possible if Gene Wilder has had Alzheimer's disease? I just, I can't figure it out.

[00:36:06] I think Spielberg went to him and said like, I think I can do this with you. I think I can work around you. And Gene Wilder was like, I really don't think I'm well enough to do this. All right. Yeah. At the time I was very disappointed

[00:36:21] because Gene Wilder is one of my favorite actors. I wanted him to get one last performance. You loved Gene Wilder. Didn't know he was terminal at that point. Right. His last film was Another You. Yes. Which is. I've never seen it. Bad. It's with prior, right? Yeah.

[00:36:34] It's the worst of the prior Wilders. And prior's like, all fucked up. Bad. Right. Yeah. You like that? No. No, that's the Lendor Neemoy one. It's bad. Do you like See No Evil Here No Evil? Yeah. What? Really? I love that movie.

[00:36:50] That's like one of my favorite cable TV movies. I think that movie is an entertaining cable TV movie. I have a feeling it would feel a little gamey watching it now. I'm trying to find your last favorite. Is it like stir crazy?

[00:37:00] Like how far do I have to go back to find a Wilder performance you love? See, I've never been a huge fan of the prior Wilders. Do you like Haunted Honeymoon? Which he directed. I've never seen that one. What about The Woman in Red? Which he also did.

[00:37:10] Yeah, I mean, I like Woman in Red. I like World's Greatest Lover, Sherlock's younger brother. You know? That's sad. I'm trying to find if there's like an 80s Wilder. I guess there isn't. I don't think there's an 80s Wilder I love. Panky Panky. Gilda Radner.

[00:37:25] Yeah, I think those movies are fine. I think those movies are fun. I like him so much that I enjoy watching any of them. I think the prior Wilders don't age very well. Yeah, no they don't. I think they're really good together.

[00:37:36] I don't think those movies are tremendously good on their own. Stir Crazy. Stir Crazy is pretty good. It's fine. Yeah, it's like pretty wild. And I think everyone forgets that Silver Streak, they're only in it together for like 15 minutes. I've never seen.

[00:37:48] Prior is very much a small supporting role in that film. And once they saw how good they were together, they added a couple more scenes. It's interesting to look at Wilder's filmography. It's so short. Like it fits onto my whole screen, like the whole filmography.

[00:38:01] And it's weird to think that like by the time he makes Young Frankenstein, he's already sort of like there's nothing better following it. You know what I mean? But then what's weird is that...

[00:38:12] Like where does he think of that as like, oh, he's only going to get crazier, you know? But he's one of those guys where his films that he directed were pretty successful. They were like doubles or triples and the prior movies were huge. Well, of course.

[00:38:25] No, I know they did well. I'm more saying like it's like... In terms of the canon. Yeah, and I'm also just realizing like for some reason I thought like Young Frankenstein was before Willy Wonka. You know what I mean? Like I had this image of Pryor.

[00:38:37] It's like he does the Mel Brooks movies and then he's a superstar and then he does the Pryor movie. No, and Blazing Saddles and... Those are before too. Yeah, or they're ten years. Blazing Saddles and I are friends in the same year, which is crazy. That's insane.

[00:38:49] That's just insane. Which is insane. My Mount Rushmore though is like Wilder, Keaton, Keaton. Both Diane and Michael. Michael and Buster. Fair. Put our Diane in there. He could have three Keats. Diane and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Those are like my guys. Those are Griffin's guys.

[00:39:12] It's not like he says those are the four greatest actors in the world. They're just Griffin's four favorite actors. And I also think that literally everything I've ever done is me trying to combine those four people. I just rewatched Spider-Man Homecoming, which is fine.

[00:39:26] And Keaton's so good in it. He's so good. He's amazing in it. I think I steal most of my moves from those four guys. Yeah, okay. But Wilder, right? We had fun there for a minute there talking about Gene Wilder. But he isn't in this movie.

[00:39:38] He's not in this movie. He's pointedly not in this movie. Cass Mark-Reyland's who's his new favorite actor. And Mark-Reyland gives the most interesting performance in this movie. And the one element of this movie that I think is kind of subversive. Yeah. I mean it's a great performance.

[00:39:49] He's the one guy kind of really wrestle and wish it in terms of what this movie is saying. As soon as he shows up with those baggy jeans, straight leg jeans. And just his body language.

[00:40:00] It like transported me back to being a kid and seeing like weird adults at a video game store. Just like, what's wrong with that? Well, the other... The other... Right, the weird thing with this movie is because it takes place in the future.

[00:40:14] You have Mark-Reyland's playing an old man who grew up on stuff that you knew... You know Mark-Reyland's didn't grow up on. Right, Mark-Reyland's character was obsessed with stuff that was at that point like 30 years old or whatever. Exactly. That's how far in the future we are. Right.

[00:40:31] Maybe even maybe 20 years. Yes. Whatever. I actually read that there was actually a script that had references to more recent pop culture, like aka Future Pop Culture. Yeah. Like they were going to be references to movies from like the 2030s and shit.

[00:40:49] And they decided to take it out because it just didn't make sense. And there was no way to do it without having to explain it too much. Like they tried and they failed, which is weird to think about.

[00:40:58] I'm going to jump way ahead because I don't know if we're even going to like do the plot on this episode because... You don't want to talk about Gunters? Yeah, I want to talk about the Gunters. Gunters! Egg Gunters. Gunters! They're called Gunters. It's a weird name.

[00:41:10] Yeah it is. Gunter for a second here, I thought I was at a Central Park. Drink your tea. Gunther. Or is that your raspberry coffee? No, it's a Biscous Tea. I got it from Dunkin' Donuts. Dunkin' Donuts, famed for its Biscous Tea.

[00:41:23] Look, desperate times call for desperate measures. What did you want to jump ahead to? What was the thing you wanted? I think there is... Talk about the elements of this movie where I'm not saying like the movie is problematic because it doesn't address this. Sure.

[00:41:38] But I think the movie... The movie is a little problematic. I agree. And I also think this movie is kind of sort of like... Pointedly playing with bumpers on. Like it's using the defensive like, it's fun! Don't think about the rest of it. That's what's a problem.

[00:41:51] Every problem this movie runs into, it's because it's just sort of like... What the hell is up in a sea there? Like, who cares? It's like dancing in front of a fire. And it's just sort of like... The way I put it, it's like Spielberg's like...

[00:42:05] The future is hell, but we could still have a good time, right? We literally stopped building new stuff because we keep on praying at the altar. And this is why I was so fascinated by this movie, the whole production phase.

[00:42:18] Because I was like, there's no way he doesn't grapple with that, right? He doesn't really grapple with it. And to be clear, we held out hope that maybe he was going to make a super subversive like Verhoeven film. Right.

[00:42:29] But even there's like a midpoint between the two that's like a movie where he still gets his happy ending. He still makes it a surface pleasure, but he at least sort of like... Pays service to all the larger ideas that are circulating the atmosphere right around the story.

[00:42:43] Right. I think the problem is they're not circulating in Ernie Klein's atmosphere. No. And that's the problem. It's like if he had... And by the way, this is Wikipedia, so take with the grain of salt. The way they put it is Klein wrote a film, wrote the script.

[00:43:00] Then someone called Eric Eason, who I've never heard of, rewrote that script. He's like... He like wrote A Better Life. I think he's just one of those Hollywood rewrite guys. And then Zach Penn rewrote the script. Is that when Spielberg came on? Yes. Like because Ernie Klein...

[00:43:15] I feel like it was the first Zach Penn draft that I read. Ernie Klein wrote this script before the novel even was published. Like, you know, like this book was like optioned before publication. Right. They were just like slam-dung. Yeah. Totally.

[00:43:28] So I think I read the Zach Penn draft that got Spielberg to sign on. That makes sense. That's what it feels like, because I remember Zach Penn being credited on it. Yeah. And it felt very much like this.

[00:43:36] It had the same narration in the opening and all that sort of shit. Yeah. What I was going to say is there is something to this movie. Yeah. That this is me extrapolating from it, but I think a more probing filmmaker or filmmaker

[00:43:52] who wasn't just concerned with fun because Spielberg's clearly capable of tackling these things and you go, this wasn't an Ernie Klein's ecosystem. Well, that's what's interesting about adaptation. You get someone to take someone else's war. Exactly.

[00:44:05] And look at it with new eyes and come at it from new angles. That's what I like about adaptations. Of course, if they go right. Yeah. So something like The Godfather, which is like a mediocre book. Yeah.

[00:44:16] That Coppola was able to go like, right, oh, there are bones here where I can throw some other flesh onto it. Right. But like Coppola has always been very upfront about like that book's kind of gross. Like, yeah. But I think Ready Player One's kind of gross. Yeah.

[00:44:30] Not in meaning but kind of gross. I haven't read it, but it seems lame. Sure. And there was hope that Spielberg as a very intelligent man. Sure. Would want to sort of bring some more stuff into the picture. Gunters, though. Gunters.

[00:44:46] So what I was going to say is. You read the script. We're still on this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is me jumping to the end. Oh, okay. Yes. What you wanted to write.

[00:44:55] This movie is getting at something which to your point, you're a critic. You look at the final product. You take away with what you want from it. Yes. But I don't think this movie has anything to say about this.

[00:45:11] The notion that, you know, there is a certain type of dude who succeeds and rises to the top and becomes a gatekeeper. And that person gets to sort of those people in their positions get to choose the canon. Right.

[00:45:28] They get to define the canon and go, we all love Back to the Future. Right. And that suddenly has more cultural weight than everything else. Sure. The executives at the top of the heap right now are the people who grew up with Back to the Future. Right? Yeah.

[00:45:43] And a lot of those people who rise to those positions come from similar backgrounds and have similar taste. And this movie is a story about like one of those examples to the extreme, a guy who

[00:45:52] creates a game changing technology that is totally a monument to his favorite pop culture and everyone else in the world has to bend to his tastes. Sure. And show reverence to his favorite pop culture because he's the one who wrote the book. Right.

[00:46:10] There's a thing I want to see in this movie, which is a greater sense of democracy, especially in like the end battle where like... Yeah. Everyone's just whoever they want to be and they're all right. You go like the Lena Waithe character, right? H. Right.

[00:46:28] And she's like this sort of tech wizard who can build or fix anything. Right. Right. And she builds the Iron Giant is like her big final play. Yeah. Which it's like aside from the fact that it doesn't really fit with the time period. Sure. What have you, right?

[00:46:42] But it's also really cool because it's big. It's big and he's a nice, he's a nice giant. Yeah. And we'll never talk about him again on this podcast. Never. How dare you? How dare you? Never. Not in our worst episode ever. No. Never. Never. Yeah. You...

[00:46:58] I want some character in this movie to go, yeah, you know, I don't really like this stuff, but it's like you got to play the game. Because everyone's like, ah man. But no, of course. Fucking the Goonies are the best. The whole movie.

[00:47:12] And you want someone to be like, I don't know, I feel like this stuff's kind of overrated, but I'm just trying to win this game. And there's a part of me that wants like some characters, especially at the end after

[00:47:20] he gives his big speech and is like, everyone let's storm the kingdom. Yeah, right. Where he's sort of like, be whoever you want to be. Right. And you have people who are like, I love fucking noir movies. Sure. You know?

[00:47:32] You know, I would be fucking Joe Friday from Dragnet. Right. That's who I would be. Yeah. In the Oasis. Like you just want to see this like a democracy or pop culture. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Wish there, I mean, I guess there is.

[00:47:44] I mean, again, I don't even really look at the like the mob, but there, you know, you catch glances of battle toads and overwatch characters or anything. Right? Like it's all probably if you freeze frame it like... Yeah, I mean we have different eras. You have overwatch characters.

[00:47:58] Yeah. But it's all the same sort of gatekeepers taste. I mean, you're talking about the monoculture. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. But the monoculture is largely defined by... I know, I know. Yeah. So in a movie that's literally about that kind of gatekeeper creating his own

[00:48:15] world where he defines the monoculture, don't you want to at the end where the idea is that this thing becomes a little more democratic and it's given back to the people? Go like, you know what actually I love romantic comedies?

[00:48:26] I'm going to be Tom Hanks and Sleepless in Seattle and I'm going to storm the castle. Right, but I mean... I didn't see Jared Leto's Joker in it. And this movie does not get twisted enough. Actually, sadly true.

[00:48:40] You're basically saying is this movie need to be more twisted? I'm going to need my Trader Bagel twist while you throw out your counter. No, my counter is basically like this is not a movie about like a happy future. No.

[00:48:53] And it's the idea of a future where everything is based on like pop culture references and every video game is just like a countless echoes of other video games and all that shit is like so plausible. Yeah, and like it's like a harrowing dystopian exactly.

[00:49:15] And if that did happen 60 years on, yeah, people probably would just be like, well what I love is a battle toads like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, you know. And so I think I can't even imagine this movie ending in a way that's not a bunch of...

[00:49:32] But don't you at least want to see that movie be a little tongue in cheek at the end with like, I don't know if this is a good thing or at the end try to break down that wall a little bit.

[00:49:41] I'm not saying the entire DNA of the film has to be rewired, but the last 10 minutes isn't that what you ultimately want to get to is like maybe we should stop reliving this anti-social nerds favorite pop culture from half a century ago. Yeah, it's just a different movie.

[00:49:56] Just do you never formed a life for himself? Just lived in his head with all the shit he does. That is what Spielberg's getting to. Yeah. But what he's not getting to is the pop culture part.

[00:50:06] What he's getting to at the end and what this quest is designed around, right? Because the idea of the game is the Mark Reiland's character. I have to look up his name. Halliday. Halliday who designed the Oasis, which is a virtual world that everyone plays a big

[00:50:20] game in. He died and his will essentially is like you have to solve this quest and find the keys and whoever finds the keys gets the game. His will Wonka if you will. His will Wonka. It literally is just the willy Wonka thing except willy Wonka is dead

[00:50:35] and is now just like a cyber avatar. In the game. Pre-recorded messages. Right. And the purpose of the quest, right? Is to understand that his life was perhaps a little too devoted to all this and right, you know it got a little meaningless for him and he

[00:50:54] misses his friends and so how do you win the game? You have to be super devoted to his brain. You prove that you're the best person in the world by knowing all the stuff that he knows. That's the inherent flaw of the client story.

[00:51:06] It's very strange, although I think it's fascinating like to do a memory play essentially. I just don't think it's like endorseable. I agree, but then you go shouldn't this movie at the end come to a point

[00:51:19] where instead of it landing on a sort of glib like oh the friends we make along the way or what matter? Yeah, right. Let's just take breaks on Tuesdays guys. Don't you want it to come to a point where you're like maybe we

[00:51:33] should stop playing at the altar of all this stuff that's that's I mean nothing in this movie is going to do that you're just talking about another movie. I'm talking about a better version of this movie. I'm not talking about a complete alternative reality version.

[00:51:45] This is a fight we have a lot though and it's a fight that I always reference the Scott Arkham and joke like I love West Side Story. I just wish they didn't do any singing and dancing like you know

[00:51:54] the old joke was like when we were talking about this with Isla Dogs where we didn't get in a fight on Twitter about it. No, we like went back and forth and at no point wherever disagreeing with each other and I told you he did turn.

[00:52:04] He did which was very mean of you and I was upset like I mean we have to address some things have changed in the last couple of months and making this podcast and David has an unsatiable hunger for turds where it's like you're saying like

[00:52:17] I mean like the movie should just not be a third world problem. Yeah, I think the movie should just not be set right and I agree with you but also I'm just like but then that's just a whole other movie and like I don't understand at what point

[00:52:31] Wes Anderson decides this movie his dog garbage movie needs to be set in Japan because in the interviews that I've been trying to parse right he always just sort of says like and then we decided like well what if we merge it with this homage to

[00:52:43] Japan that we've been thinking about and I'm like why did you decide that like and he never really provides an explanation but that also speaks to that was the genesis of that movie but it's also the difference between you and I and how

[00:52:55] we come at stuff in relation to our own careers which is like your job's to look at the final product right here it is you have given me this and I will now think about it right and I'm always trying to figure out how to make things

[00:53:05] better because I'm someone who's like why isn't this working you know but I mean either because it's my own thing or I'm on set saying shitty stuff and I'm trying to figure out how to make it better I think not on the tech the scripts

[00:53:16] are good but every other thing I've ever been in well let's imagine you had been Thai Sheridan whose career we are now talking about going to discuss he was discovered here local go he's a Texas boy he's a Texas

[00:53:32] boy local town scouts he was born and this frightens me to say in the year 2002 in 1996 oh that's much better than I thought it was gonna be he's 21 years old yeah I thought he's like been in movies for a while I thought he was

[00:53:46] born after 9 11 I thought you were gonna scare me because he's he's you know that he then he'd be like 17 I wasn't doing the math in my head right right he was you're right he was discovered in Texas and he was in the

[00:53:58] tree of life as the not interesting character he's the brother who dies huh he's not is it hunter McCracken yeah he's good in that very good and what really act again so neither of them were actors right they were discovered by local town scouts Terrence mcpoiny

[00:54:13] just wanted like real Texan boys right um like the legend goes that when they cast him neither he nor his parents had heard of Brad Pitt yeah he was that far from the side of yeah the sphere of pop culture right

[00:54:32] but he sort of acquits himself as this good naturalist young actor it's not like you watch the tree of life and think like no that kid's gonna pop you think Hunter McCracken might pop but then he becomes the first actor to have

[00:54:45] movies play at the confound festival three consecutive years in a row because he was in mud which he's very good in I think and then he was in Joe Joe the David Gordon Green movie with Nick Cage right he's above the

[00:54:57] title on that one yeah now mud's the one I think he's really good quite good in that and Joe I don't know right and you get the sense that like I believe Nichols is friendly with Terrence Malick and David Gordon

[00:55:08] Green is as well all three of the people you just mentioned are friends with each other right they're all like you know poets of the high prairie so you imagine that Terrence malick said look this kid doesn't have a lot to do in the movie but I'm

[00:55:18] telling you this kid's a pro if you want to cast a naturalistic Southern boy yeah this is a good kid to get right but then he goes from that to like Zon scouts guide to the zombie apocalypse playing

[00:55:29] Cyclops and the X-man and then being the lead of a Spielberg movie it's kind of a fascinating career because his whole thing was just that he was sort of like natural kid you know he was also in last days in the desert and I'm told he's quite good

[00:55:42] in that like he made some you know some more sort of indie movies and he's in the Stanford Prison experiment the other one he's good in is the one the Neil Hamburger movie oh entertainment he's very good in that I've

[00:55:53] never seen that I think he's a good actor it's okay but I want to say something a little mean about him I don't think he's very good in this oh I don't think he's good in this at all but I also think it's a terrible character so

[00:56:04] like yeah like seriously like had you gotten this role like I don't know how you have fun with this role I don't need such a boring ass care I don't either and if I had fun with it it would result in a movie that

[00:56:14] everyone hated right or you being immediately fired the ways I would keep myself really really upsetting to the general public but um I think he's got like a funny face he's got a funny face it's it's because he was kind of a handsome kid and

[00:56:28] he's in a weird I don't know if it's just a weird transition phase where his like features are settling oddly but in this movie he's got a funny face I yeah and I just don't want to be mean about it

[00:56:39] cuz I didn't think he was handsome an X man yeah like I can like here he is as a kid you know yeah and he's like a kid yeah but and now it's like yeah he's got this sort of like Andy Roddick kind of

[00:56:52] wide face I don't know how to describe it he's just sort of funny looking but he's good at reacting he's good at being sort of steady you think then about his face yeah it looks like he's got a big head he did a lot of movies where Tim

[00:57:07] reacting to older actors right and he's good at that it's sort of just holding his own I thought he was a pretty good Cyclops although that movie didn't get anything to do I can't I literally don't even remember it I think it doesn't it

[00:57:19] I think he fits the Scott Summers mold but that film doesn't have that character do anything I've always said there's one guy who should have played Scott Summers and now he's too old who's a good Timothy Olyphant that's who I want it's weird

[00:57:31] that that's your one guy that's my guy I've always thought like that is the guy like say you made like an X-Men series that began in like 2000 it was still going on to this day he would be good as a young Cyclops and he

[00:57:45] be good as now like a veteran Cyclops he's so perfect for it like because you need someone who is angry but like as good as sort of like you know tamping down the anger because Cyclops is such a weird boiling lead angry character

[00:58:01] and you know usually the movies have just interpreted him as like like he's the annoying straight guy who like says what the rules are now that you're saying anger you know I think could do it well yeah army hammer probably he's so handsome but yeah

[00:58:14] but you cover up those eyes sure well sure and I feel like army hammer is really good at the boiling anger he's good at hating the fact that he's boring for sure he's good at playing characters who are like I resent the fact that you think

[00:58:28] I'm basic right you know yeah yeah he'd be a good yeah he'd be a good cycle he'd be a good cycle he could be a good angel to he could play like half the X-Men this is the thing especially the early Havoc my favorite X-Men

[00:58:44] maybe we should get Fincher to do a Winklevoss style army hammer plays the entire X-Men all the summers is released yeah sure fine sounds good army hammer plays cable Cyclops and I mean Wade Watts Ty Sheridan's character Parzival right whose name I don't mean to say

[00:59:04] his name all sneery but then they call him Z because there's a Z in the middle of his name this character who I'm sure is even more insufferable in the book yeah is the worst he's the worst like there's zero reason to root for him he's a know-it-all

[00:59:20] and that's all he's got going for him is that he is a know-it-all about a particular guy's life and he's kind of that's his skill boring he doesn't really have a fire in his belly now I understand why he's boring you grew up like

[00:59:32] in a shipping container in Columbus Ohio and he spends his whole life in a video game but also like so same with everyone right and they're more interesting which is what's annoying about this film is the only reason he's the protagonist because he knows more about

[00:59:46] this stuff that Ernie Klein has decided is the greatest power in the world and yes but also just because like he's got a culture he's inspired by is about all these bland people on hero's journey surrounded by a more colorful ensemble yeah that's what every piece

[01:00:00] of pop culture that he's doing like that he's Ernie Klein is ripping off as a character by and that's what this character is he's just like the hero by the very design of this movie they could have completely redefined who the protagonist of the film was

[01:00:14] because once he gets into the way he presents himself as a very boring generic who's about to say heroes journey character he picks his art of his avatar right as like I don't know an anime boy with like fucking Billy Idol

[01:00:28] hair like that's it right like so don't you want them to try to find the weirdest kid that they could possibly find to play the role yeah but they don't they don't do enough digging into that and again I think the book does more digging into that

[01:00:40] in the book they're far more different from their avatars and this year like he could have played Parcival with makeup you know agreed and Olivia Coo-Coo I think is a great actor and I think is solid in this movie I think she's excellent in this movie

[01:00:54] I do too actually she's a great actor she's like a really exciting talent yeah she's she's one of the best I've ever seen her in she's been the best thing in it but you also get kind of bummed out that it's her

[01:01:06] what do you mean well because it's like the whole device of like I think in the book she is physically like I think she's very overweight or she's I don't think so maybe she might be handy cat different excuse me did you see her in this movie

[01:01:22] she's hideous well that's the point she's fucking disgusting she's got a birthmark she's would you agree when I saw she's like you wouldn't want to look at me and I was like oh she's probably like self-conscious about her I can't believe this movie skirted by the ratings

[01:01:36] with a PG-13 you see her that's an insincere I threw up immediately I just think I was eating my salad and I threw up all over the place yeah she's got like a birthmark on her face she looks like incredible like I don't know

[01:01:50] like she's gorgeous she's got like a red spot on her eye like I don't know and like the whole thing of like she's very like she's got like a little girl in the phantom of the opera where she's like

[01:01:58] don't look at me you wouldn't like me if you met me in the real world it's like what you're not an Olivia cook type yeah but no I but even with all that said and it's mockable the birthmark thing movies better if she's the protagonist

[01:02:14] movies better if let's just write the protagonist she was cut out movies better if Lena Waithe is the protagonist movies better if like you see let's use her right in the background of a shot for one moment I want her to be in the movie

[01:02:26] but I think when Olivia cook shows up and she's like I'm fucking Trinity I'm a radical here I am like right you're like why aren't you the hero of this movie like you're interesting and we're not even as an actor as a character

[01:02:38] we're not even saying that to be contrary it's like it the movie is crying out for one of them to be the movie no no especially or her or Lena Waithe like her way being the guy at the center of the story except he's nerdy about the

[01:02:54] fucking holiday I keep forgetting his name a holiday's right life history which we talk about the way culture shifted right you imagine that this movie exists as some sort of like masturbatory fantasy of like all the shit that I love that has no value in

[01:03:08] the real world I'm gonna write a book where that makes me the most valuable person alive sure yes but for that movie to come out now you're just like okay fucking get over relax coming from two guys who became best friends by going to movie trivia talking about

[01:03:22] dunking on nerds all the time right exactly like I just I you just feel like you want the movie to seed control you want the movie to as certain point when he meets up with Olivia cook IRL go oh you know what this isn't about me

[01:03:38] you really need to win this I'm gonna help you win it's just what I'm just some fuck boy who knows shit you know that's what he is though like she's a more interesting actor and a more interesting character as written part of all lives in the stacks

[01:03:53] it's a it's a fucking trailer on top of a trailer it's a Columbus Ohio and the world is shit right the world looks like Carl's Jr sandwich I keep on making Carl's Jr references by dunk on him we're trying to get our sponsorship yeah

[01:04:09] we want to get to this field burger Carl's Jr into sponsoring us he he's part of all his best buddy is H who we don't know is is Lena Waithe who's fun who's fun in this movie very fun she's my favorite definitely I like her avatar too like

[01:04:27] I like the the midsection yeah it looks cool and I like that he stretches out that he can sort of inspect her gadget his way out of danger if I'm eight years old I want that action figure like that's cool I like the stretchy yeah merchandise spotlight

[01:04:41] there must be some toys yeah but it's also like so burgers as feel burgers so like Funko made the toys yeah and they have like a set of the three keys sure and then they have a box set of action figures okay sort of in the mold

[01:04:57] of the old Star Wars figures that's just the four it's it's H it's part of all it's Artemis is that her name Artemis yes with an E and I mean with a three right and then I rock I rock is the TJ Miller character

[01:05:13] right which we'll get to that but the other thing I kind of like the design of Iraq I do too yeah the other thing is they made a bunch of Funko pops for this movie which is kind of ingenious because then it's like the entire

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[01:07:05] I think like two or three of these a week I have like gone full in on blue apron you could do it all in under 45 minutes without trips to the grocery store what I like about it and I'm this is off I'm not reading like

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[01:09:24] on a race there's three keys that you need to find each key comes with a clue for the next key right to ultimately lead you to the Easter egg which is a literal egg that will grant you ownership of the oasis which is worth

[01:09:36] half a trillion dollars right seems to be funny everything bit when he goes half a billion million I wish I could do his story trillion he's so funny he's so funny in this movie that's seen near the end where he's like fumbling

[01:09:50] for the key yes and his avatars like you want it right like everything he delivers every line even if the line isn't like that great on the page it's just like hysterical there's also the image of him with the white wig that loss in our body

[01:10:04] dickie loss and has been posting forever yeah and it's so much funnier in the context than we were you realize he's delivering that from inside a coffin it's so weird he's lying dead with coins on his eyes he sits up and goes

[01:10:18] oh hi I'm dead right now and he's in the coffin is I believe a star trek torpedo can correct he likes star trek he likes everything look I'm just saying there's a world where this movie is fascinating because I think people who make the things are obsessed

[01:10:34] with I think if everything was as sort of I think Ryland's his performance is actually digging in yeah I think so I think it's like here's a guy who literally only understands pop culture he is the least well-rounded human being in the world exactly and and his big

[01:10:54] realization as he was dying was that right and like that's the less I think he plays that with the appropriate vacancy right the appropriate inability to interact and connect right and with the lingering sadness and loneliness but also and speaking to

[01:11:10] the willy work the rest of the movie was as smart as his performance speaking to the Willy Wonka thing that you're talking about yeah like that's what Willy Wonka is about to where it's like it's a world of imagination I live here I have no friends

[01:11:22] I only have oompa lumpas isn't it great and Charlie's the one who's like this is scary yeah this is very weird right and the other kids are like I want to be rich you know like and so the other kids in this movie in ready player one

[01:11:36] or I oh I are the evil corporation right Sorrento Serentino his name is Nolan Sorrento play by Ben Mendelsohn the great Ben Mendelsohn who's fun in this movie I think he's fun I think he's fun in this

[01:11:48] I think he's fun because he's playing him as like a coward it is always surprising when I see a non sweaty Ben Mendelsohn performance because he really started what hard here as his like sweaty warmie guys and he's good at like as a

[01:12:00] guy who's like vain is pulsing right here yeah he's really good at that right in the cigarette is like his mouth is so sweaty the cigarette won't stay between his lips yeah like he's got sweaty teeth we were talking about his list but it's like

[01:12:14] a very very very slight sort of speech thing but I like that he just owns it oh totally even when he's playing really together high status people like yes like this that I'm in said this guy's kind of like just a a weak willed not weak willed karma

[01:12:30] haters spineless and a fanboy can always spot a hair he wants to turn the Oasis into like a cell phone game I guess like they'll be like ads he wants to make it a freemium thing right and he having for a friend he

[01:12:48] probably is good because then everyone would stop using the fucking Oasis yes yeah and try to I don't know plant a tree exactly he goes save the dead earth move to the Andes and raise my son but at the same time even though I just made that joke

[01:13:02] that's what I like about this where Wade literally has some line where he's like we're just trying to enjoy ourselves before we die that's all the Oasis that's what we're doing for us like we know we're doomed like he basically admits it like this is just

[01:13:16] the only fun we can have okay he admits that directly in dialogue and the performance never reflects the performance doesn't really because there's so much fucking explaining in this movie to I understand there's a lot of table setting but Spielberg someone who's pretty good at elegantly offering

[01:13:32] exposition or even sometimes figuring out how to set things up visually yes sometimes doing the Mr. DNA info dump where you know what I think to do three minutes where a cartoon explains the whole thing to you yeah this movie they never stop explaining what's going on and

[01:13:46] there's the moment where they set up the sort of fake they make so rent a think that he's back in the real world but he's still in the Oasis and then it cuts to them right at the computer screen and Wade literally explains oh

[01:14:00] so that's cool so rent a way just like we get you just have to show us the two screens which are literally I know I felt the exact same way that's like one moment that I harped in on but there are like 50 of us the worst

[01:14:14] one though where it's the worst I know where we get it and then he's like wow so we hacked into the main frame and he's he's not in he's in the Oasis right now like and here's the thing that's the use that used to be the thing where

[01:14:28] Spielberg would gracefully subtly pan his digital camera across to those two computer screens you would see the two images and it would actually get a laugh out of the audience you'd go that's clever and that's pretty graceful and by just explaining it you're just like oh my

[01:14:44] god can I order another cup of tea please you know I'm flagging down my fucking Alamo waiter for for a cookie platter which those cookies were very good weren't they man they're awesome they look good you guys got some cookies I got some cook yeah they look pretty

[01:14:58] nice I had a burger the paraphrase courtier mono we guys wanted some cooking so they go on the race that's the first big step which no one's been able to beat and he keeps on going back to the archives where you get to watch

[01:15:14] every single moment of Halliday's life when he was building the Oasis with Simon Pegg but first you're like this is a weird small role for him to take the whole time I was like when's peg show I also recognize his voice as the curator yeah

[01:15:28] Pegg is playing the curator who is the sort of doctor no of this movie there's nothing he doesn't oh oh K and O W I thought you meant doctor no no I'm talking about doctor no there's nothing he doesn't know who's

[01:15:42] giving a lot of flat facts and so on I did love the look of the curator I did too I actually I like all the curator parts I like that that to me is video gamey in a way that's fun like I yeah if this movie wants

[01:15:54] to be video gamey then great you give me a race I think the race scene is basically fun like the cool set action action pretty good in this film are well executed I think the race is maybe the best one except the lesson is so corny

[01:16:06] it's the lesson it's like you gotta go back oh well that's like don't participate I mean again I hate Nick picking because like I understand that the plot has to work the way it works like very basically but like someone would have fucking gone backwards we've all

[01:16:20] played like Donkey Kong you go backwards see what's that way but forgetting that money was a classic friend of the show passing future guest yeah who's not allowed to talk about Spielberg on this podcast but carry on was talking about being dragged to see the movie and

[01:16:36] she was like I'm being dragged in backwards and I was like haha backwards that's a plot point and she was like are you fucking shut up backwards is a plot point yes it is gotta go backwards you gotta go back

[01:16:48] no but I also I was just gonna say there's there's that kind of video game where it's like you have to figure out what's the origin I like that that's fun I like that it's in there like the curator

[01:16:58] I think he's a chill bro we could hang out yeah Griffin's rolling his eyes and I think he could stand to be a little more enthusiastic about the curator excuse me for being sick it's not funny the race is kind of cool he gets

[01:17:15] the copper key he also gets it's a great angels in America reference he gets it at the Bethesda fountain right great angels in America reference only 80s kids will understand angels in America is actually the 90s you just go like say for like the

[01:17:29] occasional thing like King Kong you're like none of these things are that meaningful to Speely is it meaningful to anyone like who fucking yeah I mean like I'm saying like if she has the Akira bike if Edgar Wright made this movie yeah it would at least be the

[01:17:47] pop culture that he grew up with right but like Edgar Wright made this movie and its baby driver or whatever like Edgar Wright's good at making these kinds of movies like he made hot fuzz right right it's just like a slightly less irritating

[01:17:59] version of that idea where it's like well I'm gonna reference lots of things that I love and yeah that's fun yeah I think his version might have been a little more interesting I think this is someone who didn't like baby driver

[01:18:09] baby driver is good I can't believe that's the one you'd like that's the way out of what what's the you know that's the one out of your mezzo-mezzo on a lot of the right yeah my right ranking is Scott Pilgrim number one for sure like

[01:18:21] that's that's his masterpiece worlds in number two I think worlds ends his masterpiece that's a great movie baby driver three Sean for hot fuzz five insanity people get really mad about that because Sean the dead is great and baby driver is Sean of the dead is a

[01:18:37] movie that I cannot deal with the turn it takes I just don't think it lands it to true horror oh I love that right and I want to love it like intellectually I like that it's doing that but every time I watch it I'm like

[01:18:51] I'm still I'm not prepared for it it's too it's too nasty to like suddenly that's the thing for me is when it makes that turn because it's been a comedy up until that point I get more scared watching Sean the Dead than I do most horror

[01:19:03] films which I think is impressive settles me I agree with everything you're saying but I've just finally was like you know what I think I just don't like that anyway anyway anyway the point is every time one of these things gets dropped in anytime

[01:19:17] there is a needle drop which we said there aren't too many I'm just like Spielberg's like this is what they want to hear right this is the stuff that they like which just makes me a little depressed but

[01:19:29] it doesn't have as much as I thought it was going to have I thought it was going to be like a just an orgy of it just like it would see the toon town sequence Roger Abbott exactly or like an episode of family guy

[01:19:39] it was just going to be like instead it's mostly parseval the great parseval navigating the oasis in cool ways he goes on a race he figures out the race that's cool he goes back he meets Artemis he saves Artemis once

[01:19:57] so she takes notice of him she sees him going backward she's the second to get the key he tells H H tells their other two friends Saito and show Daito and show Daito and show who are like a samurai and a ninja they're Japanese yeah

[01:20:13] very well developed character one of them is 11 and the other one is also Japanese he's handsome he's very handsome a wind morisaki yeah and the other one is 11 yeah he's 11 he makes a big fuss about that wind morisaki plays the older one Daito

[01:20:31] he's like a big like J-pop star he's like a hot shit in Japan he's a handsome guy I like the design at Daito but now it's sort of all of them working together it's a big point that they don't clan

[01:20:41] because one of the rules of this thing is if you die you respawn but you lose everything you've ever collected exactly so it's like you can live in the game forever but if you die all your coins spill out of you and all your weapons all your what

[01:20:53] have you and they don't want to clan because I guess they're all selfish I don't know they never really know it's just I think they just don't want to like conform I assume the clans which we don't see are just like boring clubs I don't know right

[01:21:07] right because yeah I mean like Soranto's got like an entire it's like the this is my favorite part of the move Faruk assault like the dad hiring the people just on that candy bars all day exactly right and they but it's like it's all it's very

[01:21:19] decency and he has like these people in like debt servitude right like he buys up their debt in the game yeah and then they have to like work it off by like doing virtual work which is so weird where he's like plant that virtual bomb

[01:21:33] there you know like you know go build me some roads it's such a like oh it's so crazy I wish the movie had more about it yeah I agree why are you so mean to whom me my best friends show up fuck you

[01:21:51] J.E.T. some turd yeah a couple turns you two turns huh I can go get some more chocolate kisses if that's what you're thinking no I'd eat a turd I don't okay fine I eat the turd thank you was that so difficult was that so hard

[01:22:11] so the second quest is the shining quest right it's kind of fun well executed yeah really well executed this home was well executed garbage I mean he does a really good job of approximating in what is a digital set he even replicates the the the textural

[01:22:27] look of the lighting and the cinematography of the shining very well yeah it's fun again yes I agree with you it's a little garbage but they start to realize the key to this whole thing is that it's like writing the wrongs of his

[01:22:39] it's all about a date and he didn't have the courage to make a move and then Simon Peg married her instead and the shining thing is actually just them living through the date everyone else would get caught up in the Easter eggs and the shining

[01:22:51] references and really it was just about having the courage to ask her to dance yeah yes I just wish these Spielberg showing up to direct this movie was the 2000 sci-fi trilogy Spielberg the Minority Report AI who is like

[01:23:09] you know anything it's just it's the you know for one he wrote AI right and Minority Report that's a Scott Frank script he had crews which gave him a lot of leeway I'll take a fucking Scott's great Scott Frank Tom Cruise combo over

[01:23:23] Zach Pannon Thai Sheridan but you just wish like have Joe Cornish do a pass have like whoever do a pass you know I mean I think this is the inherent flaw of adapting the book like it's like he either you read just fuck

[01:23:35] up the book so entirely that it's a different thing and then maybe Ernest Klein is freaking out I have no idea like who was dug in where but he should just done something different maybe like if Len Weisman wanted to make this film they would have said

[01:23:47] like hey you can't piss off Ernie you got to stick to the book if Spielberg is doing it's like do whatever the fuck you want or find another to me it is very different Joey was saying like his crowd was like they didn't do this part

[01:24:01] right now apparently Iraq is not is in like half a sentence in the book yeah I rock in this is like the bounty hunter character sure who is like a fucking angry gamer nerd like he's the kind of guy who would throw the n-word at you constantly

[01:24:17] character he's playing and they make him really just kind of like inoffensive and funny he's just comic relief he's rumbling he's TJ Miller even for the moment he talks he's kind of jaded but exactly you are kind of gritting your teeth about it

[01:24:31] he wants to talk about how badly his neck hurts or whatever you know it's like a joke right and you're like this guy would have more of a sense of being an agro badass you need more edge to that character

[01:24:43] just a lot more edge you can't make him inoffensive yeah you can't it's just out of touch but everything in this movie is kind of inoffensive but that's out of touch right but you know Spielberg to his credit and this is

[01:24:57] to his credit uh-huh he's on twitter all day good for him hey look to his credit makes him a better human being I'm sure wish he had voted March Madness but other than that maybe maybe he started a dummy account just for March Madness

[01:25:12] vote and voted for breast and then when breasts was out he pitched a fit yeah gamer gate that was it that was the tipping point yeah he initiated gore protocol exactly um yeah no I mean Spielberg one assumes deepen Spielberg has played

[01:25:30] a video game in his life he said he was one of the first people to own Pong yeah but that's when he got up up south west he was like hey I'm a gamer I owned Pong I love the man and I'm sure

[01:25:42] that that was an adorable grandpa moment from him but like when Pong came out like he had made Jaws like he was famous and rich right and he had the money because it cost like half a million dollars to buy a Pong cabinet fucking cabinet

[01:25:56] it cost half a million dollars how much he think he had a Pong cabinet yeah he had a Pong cabinet and like Spielberg has many kids right and he was the star of that weird movie making video game in the 90s oh right and I'm sure

[01:26:10] he's produced other games he has there's a weird blocks game he produced so like he started producing games in like the late 2000s and none of them really connected but like God knows that Spielberg has very little grip on what

[01:26:22] you're talking about with the T.G. Miller character he's also one of those guys who talks a lot about like I don't think video games are going to replace movies a video game can't make you cry like he just kind of views video games

[01:26:32] he's old I mean I don't even mean about it like it's fine that he thinks that because video games have made you cry right you cried the last of us 100% yeah the first game that really got me and of course

[01:26:42] yeah I mean I'm not crying at Super Mario World even though it's a masterpiece of art I do think that game is Super Mario 64 sometimes I don't know if it made me cry but it felt very melancholy to me Super Mario 64 is very melancholy because it's lonely

[01:26:56] it's about you walking into an empty castle right and like there's something weird and haunting about the castle that there's no one there yes that I always got depressed playing Super Mario 64 for that reason yeah and the music was kind of sad and you're just jumping into paintings

[01:27:10] right whereas like Super Mario World which is my favorite of the Mario games is not it's a 16 bit game but like it has like this sort of beginning semblance of atmosphere like there'll be levels you enter where there's like a little fish flopping around that doesn't hurt you

[01:27:26] and when you're like oh that's like a little choice someone made where it's like let's kind of set up what this level is going to be you know what I mean like it's beyond just like obstacles so he made a game this is the one

[01:27:36] I was thinking of he made a game Steven Spielberg presents it's literally called a Steven Spielberg game boom blocks and it's weird little blocky animals it's like a puzzle game I'm annoyed that I knew exactly how that was spelled without even 100% Mark Mothersbaugh did the

[01:27:54] score and it was sounds good yeah it was for the we sure and for the engage yeah well only 2000 kids understand the engage and I think people said it was fun and it didn't sell well at all fair enough like they were like this game is really dorky

[01:28:10] it's clearly like made by grandpa it is a really good game and then they made a sequel called boom blocks bash party and I think that was the end of him doing video games well you know boom blocks wasn't going to make anyone cry

[01:28:24] that's true yeah but I was also gonna say though first game I remember making me cry is wind waker I don't know if you played I never played when you say goodbye to your grandma at the beginning of win waker is deeply moving

[01:28:34] far cry gets me every time like going to Van Jones to the adventure continue I know like I love Ocarina but it's not really a crier but we make her so the third quest of the second they're shining quest kind of fun I like that H

[01:28:48] doesn't like horror movies the one time someone isn't into pop culture with a like you haven't seen the shining and she's like no now we go into the movie knowing that Lena Waithe is age because we're well-read men of the film blogs

[01:29:02] right it does take a while to reveal that it happens in the last three minutes or so 40 last act yeah um is in the last act the real world's a little more important like yeah because Wade's and an uncle who are sensitively portrayed

[01:29:18] get blown up you killed my mom's sister it's weird the weird line yeah yeah so but in the real you know in the last act they all meet in IRL him and Olivia Cook and Lena Waithe do you think even if you don't

[01:29:32] know that Lena Waithe is in the movie and they're not hiding her from the marketing no she's got a poster she has her own character poster exactly the voice modulation is so weird that you have to know there's going to be some twist with yes which

[01:29:46] is presents mail right and then you find that's actually a woman right right yeah but H is still the best character I agree almost by default just because like how is the best funny well yes right we apart I mean of the of the high five no question

[01:30:02] which is their fun group well excuse me what you anything I was a cool name Griffin more like low I don't want to get I don't want to get more like slow five for me there's five of them yeah yeah Ben and I just high five hey guys

[01:30:16] as you know the Griffin is sick I just threw my glasses on the table and rubbing my temples so the final the final um quest is like playing an Atari game and like only true 80s under kids understand that in adventure you win by

[01:30:32] there's an Atari and there are thousand games and they can't figure out how to beat any of them and they oh it's about the first you fall through the eyes and that's to again to Spielberg's credit kind of or the scripts credit or whoever

[01:30:46] like the that quest is literally like only true nerds will understand this right but the movie kind of skirts around it by kind of not having the quest be that important well because what's going on so rent always trying to get there

[01:31:00] with I rock you have something some force field around it right magic spell no one can even get in yeah so parsable does his big like this is our time yeah he broadcasts on all channels I mean this I agree with you

[01:31:14] because like this is where the Spielberg movie should be like Revan me up right like this is your fun last act and I said I'm like thinking as he gives this big speech and I don't care about this guy I'm sort of thinking like I hope

[01:31:26] the final battle is fun like yeah maybe it'll be cool you never get emotionally invested in this my giant right I right and H has been building the iron giant the whole time and now she has it and he stomps around yeah and people were like I read

[01:31:40] some people you know people being like how dare they pervert this character because like the iron giant doesn't want to be a weapon and I'm like have you played video games that's all they fucking do is I think it's kind of funny in that way exactly

[01:31:52] it's very apt and also let's not be precious about our pop culture right like if we you know we if we want to criticize ready player one which is too precious about its pop culture to their very faint credit they don't have him

[01:32:04] go into gun mode yeah no it's not like he's literally your weapon big and he's able to step over people and stomp on shoots like a cannon at one point that's about it yeah yeah and then like Dido's on the plane and they're like Dido what

[01:32:16] is it in his eyes are closed and you're like is he about to do something insane and then he just turns into Gundam he just does the same thing everyone else is doing he turns into a thing the Chucky moment I kind of enjoyed it's fucking Chucky yeah

[01:32:30] I like Chucky I love those funny I love that franchise and it's funny to throw him out in that sort of setting because it you know what the whole thing reminded me of and there is literally a holy hand grenade it reminds me of worms

[01:32:42] yes it's a warms in like the later editions of worms they would be like let's have more like weapons that are just references it feels like warms and it's right so it's like I'm gonna use my Chucky now right but there's like the moment like Chucky yeah

[01:32:54] who was the guy that you I leaned over and I said that's you and you were laughing I can't remember who some some some nerd I don't remember it was like one of the texts at the like you know there's a redheaded guy you're probably being

[01:33:06] mean I don't remember that thought it was funny um me my griffin's like sucking down tea yeah I was sick I was somewhere you're holding this against me as if it was a choice because you get so mad about being sick it's funny griffin you're saying that

[01:33:22] you're sick okay guys I didn't I didn't realize this at all guys I don't want to disrupt the flow of podcasts but there's something else I've been keeping secret that I have to tell you guys what's Logan is secretly a westerner what oh my god

[01:33:37] Deadpool knows that he's in a movie no stop he does and he knows that his FX show just got canceled oh should we pitch the Deadpool thing I think we should yeah we're gonna take over the Deadpool cartoon so here's the idea Deadpool they were doing guys just

[01:33:52] FYI they were doing this for like 20 minutes last the whole ride over to the theater we were just doing that they would not drop this bit and I and then they were being mean to me because I had a bit about sexy texting it was funny

[01:34:03] my bit it was not funny and go fuck yourself my bit is that I'm gonna get started Twitter account called not Deadpool and I'm gonna get it verified because it's gonna be like yeah you can verify that I'm not dead full

[01:34:14] but the secret is that it is Deadpool and the first week's gonna be like L. L. definitely not Deadpool this is Twitter though right this is a tweet right because the thing with Deadpool is you gotta address the frame around the picture wait what's this what's he

[01:34:31] doing with that hammer oh he's he's breaking the fourth wall that's what he's doing I think it's a good bit Deadpool he's in a movie I check that off the last yeah Deadpool's gonna have a movie that comes out and I think it's in it's

[01:34:52] in mid-May yeah well too correct that is certainly going to make more than this movie yeah just crazy to think about that like ten years ago no one would have said like wow I mean Spielberg can have his fun but like the real

[01:35:06] crown jewel of the summer is gonna be Deadpool 2 and also TJ Miller will be in both of those and it'll be more awkward for this no for the dead it's more offered that pool because he actually is you see his face they could have totally

[01:35:21] redubbed him in ready player one they could have that's true with very little effort that is true and probably gotten a better performance my only question is like what the contract shit but probably right because I assume he did a mo cap performance right yeah

[01:35:38] yeah but yeah they could have easily read up to but I'll even say like yeah what's gonna happen to the mucus I think didn't they already oh did they fire him man's Lucas is the mucus I mean man's great casting for that

[01:35:51] I'm good like Jason man mucus hey man's mucus watch the other day that's okay what the house oh I've heard that it's okay it's much better than I thought it was gonna be you know my movie like that what I think snatch is low key good

[01:36:07] I've never I haven't seen that I think snatch is really dark and low key good yeah interesting also from a lony is the business in that movie he's got incredible like three scenes Michael Shannon in the night before ask sure performance I mean obviously I'm

[01:36:23] referencing it because man's Lucas sort of the secret star of the house but that's more just like a classic like he was meant to be the galaphanac is very funny right right right but I honestly think Farrell and polar are funny in it like it's it's a

[01:36:34] 90-minute movie that feels 15 minutes too long yeah but it's still pretty funny like you know and it's like a good movie about like just how broke the middle class is like they all have nice houses and jobs and still they're

[01:36:49] like why do I have no money I why sitting my kid to college crippling I like that it's like rooted in real shit like that such a weird idea I guess they're like I guess let's have a casino like I guess that's the whole

[01:37:03] movie okay so the third act is they do the Atari right they got the thing they still castle and look I just want to say one thing yeah go ahead we transfer make sharing big files easier than I don't know storming a castle

[01:37:18] to get the final key no sign-ins no avatars no offer codes no password to forget no cost you just upload the file you send it and you get back to make it whatever it is you make such as solid gold podcasts I thought we're

[01:37:36] going to be where we went back and forth and I would list a real thing and you'd list a ready player one I know but then I just sort of like got hooked by what we transfer actually does here's the thing we transfers all about making the

[01:37:46] creative process easier for everyone everyone they built their site to be the simplest way to share big files around the world for free you know I've used other file sharing things in the past and you got to log in you got to like you know attach an

[01:38:01] email account or something out of here with all that stuff no offer codes no password to forget just upload send get back to making what you make so you make it that sweet love 40 million people use it every month to send and receive files they devote 30% of

[01:38:15] their 30% of their ad space to showcase and create a people from around the world it's like people like you know musicians photographers or podcasters yeah you know so in that spirit we're skipping the rest of the 60 second ad and getting right back into

[01:38:29] the podcast too sick too flimmy no time for bits dr. Jones we transfer calm you make we transfer there we go so they break in how do they disarm the thing what do they even do well it's like there's this you know sex man

[01:38:43] and it's a funny video gamey thing is like I oh I has bought like the best weapon which is that shield oh which kills everybody oh no there's also that right the bottom first is the magic force field that you can't

[01:38:55] put down and then there's the bomb that kills everybody right and it's like right why would these things even exist but video games always have some item where it's like it costs like a bajillion dollars and you're like well no one would ever play the game that

[01:39:09] much right wrong Ben Ben made a face these fat cats these corporate fat play at that way take down the you know Artemis takes down the shield because she's on the way but Artemis has to sacrifice like she's the fucking sacrificial lamb it's annoying that Wade can win

[01:39:25] who fucking gives a shit about way it's like all the battling happens whatever whatever it looks fine Spielberg's okay but like that's the thing at the end of it all the big moment is Wade and Rylance in computer attic world right because the big that's the

[01:39:42] that's the emotional crux of the finale everyone gets wiped out yes except for Wade who has an extra life because the curator gave it to him so he's back on the board Sorento thinks well I'm gonna lose but no one's gonna win so who cares

[01:39:55] right and then he's gonna shoot them in the face yes with a gun IRL right but that he doesn't do that cuz he's a total coward and all you get into fucking you know Rylance I never made friends you know I don't know it just

[01:40:09] I think I think the attic scenes kind of amazing I think I mean it's very well acted I think it's very patly written yeah but sort of I think the whole thing is so surfacing he is so uninterested in grappling with anything going on in the fringes

[01:40:28] of this story in the nooks and crannies underneath the surface and it's frustrating because it's like all there like you have a movie that is because of what the source material is an amazing vehicle to actually do like this is the state of our

[01:40:43] world now movie and I don't think it has to be a self-hating movie I don't think it has to be Starship Troopers I think you can still have uplift at the end and let the hero win but I think you make

[01:40:53] a movie that just brings in some of the stuff and I think Spielberg a doesn't care and B isn't keyed into it yeah and that's a bummer yes this childhood self in this scene right like you could kind of talk about how he's

[01:41:06] a lonely kid he had a bad upbringing he's like yeah that's me but I almost like how like I think I said this in my review but there's like this weird idea where it's like I think I think Spielberg is a little keyed into where he's like

[01:41:22] you gotta remember the people that make the things you love are weird shut-ins like yeah as I was like a Spielberg was that kid and like there's this line he has that's so not profound that I think is from the book where he's like you know I like

[01:41:38] games but reality is the only place you can get a decent meal and it's like you hear what he just said and you're like well what that doesn't mean anything that's like bullshit yeah that's nonsense reality is the only thing that's real as the other that's well

[01:41:52] would that's even more spat that reminds me but I think Spelberg's just saying that remember these guys are weirdos how do people poop in e in this world it's a great question because he mentions like apart from bathroom breaks

[01:42:04] everyone spends all the time in the oasis and I was like where's the bathroom I don't think there's running water you could presumably I mean just shit in a bucket while you're in the oasis and your shit goes in the real world does it look like you're shitting

[01:42:16] to people in the way your haptic suit can you have like a haptic but like and you like the thing like early on the movie doesn't have the full suit I know has like the gloves and the thing you get to come with like a digital catheter

[01:42:28] I don't know Ben does it these are questions I have like watching this movie just felt for me like some ironic Twilight Zone twist ending of the movie I thought I wanted to see when I was 13 yeah you know it's a congratulations pop culture

[01:42:46] is everything you want when you were 13 now have fun heating yourself I want to play the box office game now the prediction burn it down move to the Andes but as but no you're not going to be I am the show's canceled I'm moving to the Andes

[01:43:00] and delete all episodes guys if you don't like that idea please tweet at Griffin to not move to the Andes no Andes should I be the hashtag yeah sure no Andy guys you know that he's sick wait please is Griffin are you

[01:43:16] let's really well let's keep this quiet okay I don't want this to blow up too big here's my question and that's this is my transition to the box office prediction here's my question what's the point anymore what's your question Griffin it's fun to make the show yeah

[01:43:32] this movie threw me into some existential dread Jesus this movie is doing better way better at the box office than people anticipate I'll do well no but it was tracking a 35 it's opening to 52 yeah that's a major increase yeah do young people want to see this movie

[01:43:50] I think like are they actually into this I I don't know because this is the thing where like literally not even one of brother's estimates but like all studio s2s we're like it doesn't look like it's gonna do that well

[01:44:04] and now there's a question is it front loaded by 80s kids and 90s kids and whatever or like actual kids because I'll say like the beginning this movie when it's sort of just like jumping through the Oasis I was like this feels like the best visualization of what

[01:44:20] VR could become right and how it could be an exciting all-encompassing medium yeah right like the way he actually shows VR sure feels like you see the allure of that kind of world yeah and that's certainly a hook for kids but it's also so

[01:44:36] bogged down and all this sort of self-reinforantual stuff I was on comic book club which is very good podcast okay I was by Peter Page Alex Albin and I know just in Tyler sure three great guys who host a weekly comic book talk show

[01:44:54] and they like to discuss the new comic books the new things on the stands that way yeah and like for the comics we were discussing that week were in some ways mashups of older things yeah it's like the landscape now is like Gwen pool and like

[01:45:16] Gwenm which is if Gwen Stacy was spider Gwen right but then also got attacked by a symbiote then she'd be Gwenm this is why I like stopped reading Marvel comics five years ago because I just like couldn't follow it anymore well this is my point and that's

[01:45:30] like there's a Thanos comic where it turns out that ghost writer is actually the punisher and it's like all of it is like Marvel's always been into the legacy of these characters where their mantles that can be picked up by different people right yeah

[01:45:42] they're different generations of these heroes but now it's literally just become what if it's this guy in this guy at the same time yeah right what if you took half of the iconography of this character in this character and I said to them like

[01:45:54] every time I hear about one of these things people go spider Gwen and I go fuck spider Gwen I'm not going to read someone called spider Gwen that sounds dumb and then people tell me it's actually really well written and then I read it

[01:46:04] because there are exciting new writers and this is the thing and I read it and I go it's really well written but wouldn't I be more excited by this if it were totally its own thing yeah and isn't it kind of depressing that you're not offering

[01:46:16] new entry points for kids for relationships with their own new characters and there are exceptions like Ms. Marvel fucking rules right there are things that are genuinely exciting and new but so much of it and Marvel NDC is a sort of mash up regurgitation thing and I just

[01:46:32] wonder if aside from kids wanting to seem cool because they get the things that the gay keepers have told them are important to get and we certainly live in a culture where it's easier now to have a one oh one basic knowledge of anything

[01:46:46] by spending 15 minutes on Wikipedia right do they care about any of the stuff that this movie is referencing I don't know I don't know my question I was just surprised at the take at the 12 million Thursday I mean I'd love to see

[01:46:58] some sort of breakdown of the ages and I'd love to see their ages are up there you can find them how it plays for the next couple weeks yeah because I could see this not multiplying well I could see it doing fine well it has very little competition

[01:47:10] next week yeah so it'll probably do okay then rampage right it's gonna be bigger yeah so maybe that'll slow it down number one is gonna be ready player one I'm tracking around 52 number two will be Pacific Ram no acrimony probably the Tyler Perry movie oh right

[01:47:28] which is looking like it's gonna open at like 2021 yeah doesn't have one in a lot of she's good it's gonna like gross all of proud Mary's gross in a weekend proud Mary is we don't talk enough about what a fuck up that

[01:47:44] movie is I know well that's because no one bothered to see it I saw it in theater someone tweeted the gift of William Hurt and history of violence and how do you fuck that up it's a good point that's really what it is we're just like

[01:47:56] that's an on base single at least and instead it's like it's like they hit themselves in the face with the bat anyway the other ones I feel like you're gonna have Pacific Ram uprising you're gonna have Black Panther maybe Black Panther jumps above

[01:48:10] it might Pacific Ram this weekend I think Pacific Ram will drop harder yeah and then I can only imagine that's a thing where it's like that might grow that that movie is now like just such a phenomenon yeah like isn't there another

[01:48:22] faith one coming out this weekend but it's not gonna be as big another what they feel me oh god's not three dead three right though those don't do very well because we already have well the first one was big right but you know we are a Paul

[01:48:34] apostle Christ is in the bottom of the 10 she's gonna stick and everything movie suck I mean god's not dead made 16 gods that's a to made 20 like there's a steep fall off yeah you know yeah 60 cheese God's not dead I know I was in a movie theater my friend

[01:48:52] said is that a real movie point that God's not dead poster because it doesn't have a three in the title just has a subtitle he says that a real movie I said no is that a real movie that's the third in a series of real movies a light

[01:49:04] in darkness okay great right John Corbett's still in them is Kevin Sorbath still on them I think he died because he's the villain he played the professor who's like God is dead right and like some brave soul is like what if God isn't

[01:49:22] dead and he's like straight to jail and he's putting jail I have cancer I don't care anymore fuck the world yeah right because certainly we should make movies where people have cancer are the the villains but I hate our atheists so the universe

[01:49:37] is canceled this is the last episode of anything ever I'm sorry that ready player one was the one to do it I'm also sick I don't want to see the guys oh you're sick yeah guys Griffin was sick but the thing is

[01:49:51] we've recorded so many great episodes of blank check so we can't cancel because there's so much great stuff coming in the future we're banked up through like August exactly it's really exciting this is the second to last episode where recording before I go film that's right

[01:50:03] we're going to do one more after this which is going to be a nice happy final recording it's one of my because it's a movie we don't movie I've literally been begging to do an episode on since the beginning of the one of the three

[01:50:15] movies that were like the first movies that were thrown out in like the brainstorming session of what we weren't even sure if we were going to do many series when we thought we'd be able to do one off yeah it was

[01:50:25] one of the first things I ever pitched I remember that day I walk into the UCB offices yeah and you pitched me the Shyamalan idea that was an idea you had come up with independently yes yeah I was kind of the holiday of

[01:50:37] that situation right and then I almost immediately counter with we have to do the Wachowski second yeah that was like sort of they were sort of my baby right and you were like only if we do sense it was the only mistake we made

[01:50:47] and then we thought we'd get canceled yes I guess we should mention at the end of the movie sign peg shows up and he's an old man now and he's a the friends you make along the way and what have you yeah the end of the

[01:50:59] high five they take over as we close the oasis on Tuesdays because real life it's the only real thing and someone told me he makes out with his girlfriend with her disgusting birthmark I do think that that was a little offensive that she's allowed happiness yeah I considering

[01:51:13] that she's one of the marked ones yes I mean we obviously made a joke about making cancer patients villains which is really people who have birthmarks of poor there are the ones who should be rounded up but that's not a joke I mean they actually should

[01:51:27] I know Olivia Cook is incredibly charming and very good in thoroughbred she's she's Jesus Christ that was chilling well I'm gonna go celebrate Passover with my family so am I Ben are you you're gonna sell by Easter you're gonna go home kids running around the studio

[01:51:53] yeah that's Tiffany's daughter she's really sweet oh cool well I think we're wrapping up the episode yeah but gentlemen this episode will be dropping Sunday okay fire and that will also be the last day of the Brackets madness Brackets wait let me get the timing straight it's like

[01:52:17] the 31st right tonight will be the first of the final four tomorrow night's the second of the final four and that will be the final yeah when this drop so maybe we should we should we drop a prediction how do you guys want to handle

[01:52:31] April 1st right exactly I think Nancy Myers ones I think it looks like Fincher miller have been so very close 5050 then Miller pulled ahead then I tweeted pro Miller and then Fincher started getting a lead right now it's Fincher 53 to Miller 47 so I'm gonna predict

[01:52:47] I think Fincher takes that so and then I you think so you think that Myers is beating man yes I guess I'll just predict that man will beat my and who do you think wins between man and Fincher I think whoever comes out of man Myers wins personal

[01:53:05] interesting my prediction is whoever survives that side is is your winner I think feature Fincher beats man I think Myers beats Fincher interesting I don't think so well who knows just because that like if I think the Fincher love has been kind of automatic and like

[01:53:25] the ones that they've been the biggest passion for pretty much this whole time have been Myers and man they've always struck me as the one that's the ones people go wild for them the only other one that people were going wild for was fucking Gore Verbinski

[01:53:37] I know but David Fincher is like pizza like everyone's just like yeah good movies interesting to talk about it's very tomography real blank check guy so I cure it we don't see people who are passionately venture although there are some of them

[01:53:51] some but more so most people just go like Fincher when they just like vote and they move on but he hasn't ever been up against someone George Miller I guess being at the exception because that was one that was close yeah who like people were

[01:54:03] like yes Nancy Myers at all costs and these all man well city go up against Del Toro I don't know yeah yeah so you people at their champions I don't know I don't know it's interesting how he was our first seed

[01:54:17] and then the other three people who are still in the game were between 13th and 19th yes exactly like the second third and fourth seeds none of them made it far no um it's interesting so that will be the person we cover once Griffin is done

[01:54:33] yes but we have recorded we're in the middle of the Brooks mini series we have too many serious saved up after that and then we have yes two more mini series that will go and then we're gonna do whoever wins the bracket yes so that's

[01:54:47] the schedule so there you go I think it was successful I think we'll do it again March Madness yeah yeah also like I mean there's been a lot of like film internet entertainment March Madness style brackets and I like that ours has some stakes

[01:55:03] and their consequences it's not just like which is the best picks are on the game it has seeding some of these fucking brackets yeah you can tell that they have now and you know people were saying to me when the bracket was posted

[01:55:13] like well why is black and splo like why don't they have a shot and I'm like that's how seeding works yeah otherwise it would be annoying you would have like two big shots against each other first also look

[01:55:23] we thought it was cruel to put a lay in May against Wes Anderson and then she creamed him yes she did like that's the fun of seeding is sometimes you're wrong as we said like first seed still in the game two through 12 out of here true he's

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[01:56:07] yeah they're good nothing matters anymore nothing matters anymore cash rains okay well it's actually just like a sort of three out of five okay and as always I'm gonna go spit in the same she's so scared