Return of the Podcast

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[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There's another podcast that we're doing never gonna stop. I'm Griffin. I'm David welcome to Griffin and David percent

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Return of the podcast we're back after three days after three days

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Think we come back, but we returned we returned hardcore

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Much much like return of the Jedi, you know that like the dangling threads at the end of Empire Strikes Back

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like don't worry. We're doing another movie. It's true and we did the same thing with Empire

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like don't with podcast strikes back. We're like don't worry. We're coming back

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna come we're gonna come back. We'll return and we'll be here soon

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Sooner rather than later

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Little table dressing cuz I think this is gonna we're sitting in a dress table right now

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a red Christmas tarp. Yeah, thank you Ben. Yep. Oh, oh, oh making it a little seasonal for you

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's me aka we're gonna do them all Santa ha ha

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that a pun Santa ha ha if I say I guess it's kind of a Santa Claus

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Santa ha ha's all right. He's been do sir. He's put a Christmas tarp over the table. I have he's looking festive as shit

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Trig got one of those hair. Yeah, I say cleanly shaved, but it's not cleanly shaved

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's I got a neck beard going. Yeah

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We're one of those fun hats with the mistletoe dangling in front of me like you know

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, everyone has a kiss ban. We both tongue kiss panel you walk down

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it's a tender kisser and he respected our boundaries

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But still it felt like a little bit of an abusive power to even put us in that situation

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's kind of our boss. He is our boss. He's the Haas. He's the haas boss

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, aka Purdue Bennett

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The Ben do sir aka the poet laureate aka hello fan all right you give me a kiss

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Mr. Positive all right return to the podcast

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna discuss Star Wars episode sick

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is the table dressing I just want to do this episode should be coming out December 17 Thursday

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And so muse December 17 right? I don't know why you so nice

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you so you always get so mad cuz you just want to get into it?

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Like like all right come on it's like 20 minutes in we're still talking

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I have been complimented for yeah for yelling about this stuff by fans of the podcast

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people like you yelling and people like me talking about sex stuff

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Thursday December 17. Yeah, this should be dropping that is the day that JJ Abrams first day Star Wars

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Seven the Force Awakens comes out. Oh, that doesn't seem to be using the episode seven in like in the advertising

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm hoping they do in the crawl probably cuz I like episodes

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcasts yeah like this one. It's a podcast. It's a podcast to quote the fighting in the war room

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like to think of movies as the first podcast

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: carry on anyway

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You're catching us on the last day. Mm-hmm that you and I will have not seen that film

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, isn't that crazy? I just want to capture that moment

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: This is us looking at what was up until now chronologically the last Star Wars movie

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah on the final day before we know what happens for years. This was the last Star Wars movie

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was the they wrapped it all up his weird roundabout order. This was released in 1983 George says it wasn't finished

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He tinkered he re-released it in 1997 and then episodes one two and three came out

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: For anyone who's jumping in on this episode first

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We only knew that Phantom Menace existed

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We watched that one and then one wide one discovered the other movies in chronological order. Yeah, okay

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's this thing that we did just I'm just you know

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a great entry point episode for new fans

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to set the table properly

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: gone

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you dressed the table properly?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm dressed episode six return of the Jedi return of the Jedi. Yeah, this is the movie that wraps it all up

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We have sick until we see a different movie tomorrow

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Mean like in terms of the the arc that starts with Phantom Menace the Anakin Skywalker story

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it concludes here or maybe it doesn't we don't know

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It does. I think it does. There's this is definitely I mean this I don't think there's gonna be any Anakin Skywalker in the next

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. All right. This is the sequel trilogy, right? The second Star Wars trilogy at the very least

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: This trilogy is complete. There's a there's a clean story being told in these three films

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a different clean story being told in the OT the Phantom Menace trilogy

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I just say how dare you come out and say the story's done. It's done

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The Anakin story concludes in 14 hours. We're gonna see a new movie

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Anakin story and George Lucas's story concludes. Yes, this concludes George Lucas's story. I will give you that

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But he says in interviews like oh, it's like the six movies are really this big. It's Anakin

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the rise and fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, but I always got kids

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: All right anyway carrying on kids are gonna be the new movie and they're not kids anymore the grown-ups

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I know they're grown ups in these movies. Yeah, but you mean more grown up. Yeah, should we read that Abrams quote?

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean let's not you know

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to speculate too much about what's gonna happen

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: To it retoying of the Jedi but go ahead. Yeah, I've been having a lot of panic attacks this week

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me get the opening just with my wrapping my head around the entire state of the Star Wars universe

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Between the things that we're rewatching and analyzing and the things we're about to see I'm pumped up

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I am too. It's just a weird time

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm losing sleep

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So Abrams in a Rolling Stone interview was quoted with saying I want to make something worth people's time and not a commercial for toys

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a burn out. That's a Bernie Bernie Bernie Sanders

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Right up right up on George's grill. Yep return to Jedi the completion of George Lucas's

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Original story not directed by George Lucas not by Richard Mark Khan Mark Wand. Yes, Mark. I'm Mark. I think

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Q you Andy

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Director of Jagged Edge, right?

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That was made after return of the Jedi up until return of the Jedi he had mostly done documentaries

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kind of an odd choice. I think he'd done two scripted films before and from what I've read

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He was not that involved in the visual effects side of this movie

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of seems like apparently Lucas did a lot of second-unit directing

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of visual effects helping. Yeah, there's this famous quote which is like it's true

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark one said is it more quantum or con?

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Said it's trying like trying to direct King Lear with Shakespeare in the next room basically

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he kind of half directed this movie

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean George Lucas said he was really good with the actors

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is like actually like it's kind of a compliment. I think from George

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's George saying like I'm not the best with the actor

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know like it's a slight admittance of that I will say I think the performances in this one are not as good

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: As they were an empire. Well, the script's a lot weaker and this we're gonna say this movie is

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately in my opinion

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Empires a little better than new hope and new hopes a little better than the prequel trilogy by a little better

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean a lot better, but I would say this one's a little worse. This is a little worse

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I really really have to talk about today. Okay

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars a new hope and Empire Strikes Back are

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty terrific universally revered films, you know two thumbs up the people who don't like them are sort of making a

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Stand like it's a political statement and not like those movies. Yeah, I guess so

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, obviously, it's contrary. There's no

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone mass opinion right but people really like them and people like them on a deep reading level little children are sure you know

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But return of the Jedi has always been viewed as like a little bit in the black sheep of the family

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's I think you can see like people say see maybe seeds that are planted here that come to fruit in the

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: prequel I agree movies

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you mean the original trilogy. Yes. Thank you. You definitely see as the film this movie came out in 1983

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Phantom Manus came out in

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: 1999 and you see the things the machinations starting to come into place a little bit a little bit a little bit and it's a little

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Rough around the edges. I think this movie gets too much of a bad shake

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with that now there are a couple factors at play here a

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: one

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard for me to with this film in particular

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Be objective

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And just why do it because this is exactly the kind of movie I love the most as a kid

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say the same thing. This was my favorite Star Wars movie when I was a kid

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate bits and yeah, yeah

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: This was absolutely taking the fucking cuz you're on the ball on the mark on that one. There's a bell in the room

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Christmas bells

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Santa haas

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: That note this was gonna say like bits aside. Yes, I just remember that I watched this movie as a child

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was my favorite of the three. Yeah, but that's there's a bigger point. I'm trying to get at here

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is the things that differentiate this film from the previous two

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: If you could bottle them or also the elements

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I most look for in a film in general as a child

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's my type of movie that I grew up feeling the most strongly about I fucking love Muppets as you know

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very muppety this movie. It's very muppety

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Very much even just the tone of it

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a different tone. Yeah, then it's true the other two I would argue

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a lot more sort of like smooth and rounded. Yeah, I

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Really liked conclusions

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's a movie that wraps everything up pretty nicely only one little too nice a little too nicely

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But I got a lot to talk to the only one of the three that ends. Yeah, but even just star wars ends a new hope that ends

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that has a definitive ending. It's it's the only one of the three that

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say the only one of the three but just aesthetically

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: tonally

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The the vibe of the movie

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the types of movies that I used to rewatch on video over and over again as a child weird British like sci-fi fantasy

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like things like crawl I'm crawl. I'm thinking about like there were just a lot of movies

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just remember seeing and I couldn't even name all these but just like a lot of things

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to replay on TV over and over again on like nascent cable channels that only had six movies in rotation

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'd watch the same thing over and over again

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know much like a dark crystal and labyrinth neither which I think are great movies

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Movies I admire a lot. I would say dark crystal is pretty great. I breath is okay

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I like both of them. Yeah, very very deeply. Yeah, I'm saying I don't think under like intense screw

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right the films hold up

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but that type of world that has created that movie and the vibe and everything is like what I would you know return of the Jedi

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Return the Jedi has that feeling. Yeah, that's fair. Let's talk about it. Let's get into it

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the first 30 minutes of it. I think are perfect. They're pretty great

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't call them perfect because there's some some business in them that I don't know

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They're my favorite 30 minutes of any Star Wars movie

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're going to it but I that's what I'm gonna read the opening crawl. Okay

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Episode six return of the Jedi boom Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: His friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster job of the hut already we're answering questions

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the Jedi returning Luke done?

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: True we're not gonna tease this out for you. Yeah, he's the it's the return. I guess so is it I

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess it's just singular. There's no other Jedi in this movie. Well, I think the idea is that he also

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: represents yeah, yeah

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of a Jedi has been dead for so long

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He is the Jedi who's returning but with him

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He also brings the promise of a new Jedi order perhaps and so and we know you know Han Solo

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That was it the biggest dangling thread

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He got captured by Jabba Hut Luke's trying to rescue him and we like that I'll gangster

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We like what we like Han Solo. He's a good care. He's a good character Ben agreed. I love me some Hans

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm moving to the second paragraph little does Luke know that the galactic Empire has secretly begun construction on

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: A new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star. We interesting

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't even imagine what this thing would look like something. That's more

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A kintu but more I see where you go. Okay when completed this ultimate weapon will spell certain doom for the small band of rebels

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Struggling to restore freedom to the galaxy. Geez a game changer an entirely different type of weapon

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited to see what that you are doing. Yes, so it's just another death star

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's just it's it's like a half-built one. It looks kind of cool

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's half-built, but it just looks like they're gonna make it look the same as the

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Little different a cool new name

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Death Star that's our two. Oh, I mean, yeah

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got this like sort of it looks like scaffolding or like

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Crinolation, you know, I thought that was just it being unfinished and it is yeah

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I just it's kind of cool

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I just love to see fucking mad TV sketch pitch here

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But I you know, I'd love to see like the the business meeting where they're like, okay guys

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We all agree. I'm actually gonna cut this off right away. This is we need a new one wants to see a pin thumbs up

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Call me crazy. Bad. I bad joke pitch

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: What if we just did the death star again?

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's our tube. I think it's it's interesting because I want to talk about the death star. Thank you, man

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not funny. Thank you, man. I

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Think it's supposed to be bigger

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure the previous death star. I look this up on Wikipedia. Okay is listed as being

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: 30 kilometers bigger on either side, okay, which is big. Yeah, but it looks smaller

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's next to this moon that's like way bigger than it location location

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Location that's what you're saying well because you're gonna make yourself look bigger

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't sit next to a moon in Star Wars a new hope

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when they see it they think it's a moon, right and then in this movie

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It is like a tiny satellite of a moon and it always weirded me out

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's a little bit of kindness that they don't want people to mistake it for a moon anymore

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They go next to a moon and they're like we're still big. We just want you to know we want to have your lines cleared

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a moon. We're a killer ship. Have fun

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: sigh

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a news there's a new death star that star too

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't it's literally called the death start and what I do like so and I wrote a piece about Admiral P yet this week

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's I saw a fan of a plug

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah on the Atlantic calm and I

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that in this at almost pretty much like the first scene in the movie

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. Is it the first scene in the movie comes in real fat is Vader arriving on this death star? Yeah, and literally being like

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on guys like tapping his watch scene. Yeah

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the deal you're behind schedule like you know, you he almost wanted to be talking to like a union crew

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's almost it's beginning to get that sense of George Lucas like griping. Yeah at you know

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the trade federation is in writing griping at his tax bill right like this where he's like

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, he's fucking you know, they don't build quickly enough

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't obey and so Darth Vader arrives and the guys like I'm trying and Darth Vader's like well

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The emperor is gonna show up and that the guy that's all the guy needs to hear

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like don't worry about it. We'll redouble our efforts. Yeah, I don't know

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that the fear the emperor brings and I love I just love

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: How lame everyone else in the empire is everyone else in the empire is just a sad bureaucrat

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to obey the commands of an evil space wizard and

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Admiral Piets obviously the best one of them all and he's on the big Star Destroyer

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know are pitching a galactic Empire workplace comedy

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I have wanted that to exist for so long absolutely. I think it would be so funny

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But whatever I don't know life in the Empire. Yeah, it doesn't even have to be like a life in any kind of like Empire type thing

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be a great should be canon

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you finish reading the curl?

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I finished reading okay

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So then with the car under the ship the classic shot we get on the ship it's Darth Vader tapping his watch

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, and then we cut we hard cut right? Yeah. It's a tattooing tattooing

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, once again this movie has a weird plot structure where it's like yeah

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You got that little intro. Yeah, and then it's like this block on tattooing and then it's the final set piece

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, yes, which is like takes like a day or two. Yeah, like I guess in like movie time

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean it's basically just like after tattooing. It's just like all right

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We got above the Death Star and kill the Emperor and do all the stuff like let's do it

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's it. I would argue

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Despite the fact that we spend most of this episode defending this movie that is not terrifically plotted. No, it's not it was written by

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Kasdan and Lucas and Lucas has co-writing credit on this back. He's back. He's back story by Lucas

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah screenplay by Lucas and Kazdan

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean like it's it's just it's trying to wrap everything up in a big boat. Yes

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We get to also spend a lot of time with teddy bear people, but we'll get to that

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So tattooing C3PO R2D2

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know here they are just like the first sec just like a new hope I like we're seeing once again things from their eyes

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what's going on. It's really I agree with you. It's really good and I like that

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There are all these gaps

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We're starting at a point where we don't really understand what's happened since the last time we saw our characters

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know from the crawl the main things that are trying to be accomplished

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: We know Jabba has Han Solo that's about it Lucas a Jedi now, you know

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But other than that we don't know see through PNR to you to roll in knock on the door. There's like a robot eyeball bouncer

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, come on remember we only have about an hour they get through you're seeing once again

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man collection of great Star Wars aliens. I like when they get there. Yeah, it's like a scary atmosphere

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There's all these weird aliens

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a huge club in the middle of the desert like you just see a wall

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sex yeah

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: SMM dungeon

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Behind here these sort of like like blores with axes like more evil bores. Yeah, so they're like the guards. Yes, you've got

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Portuna before sort of the major domo. Yeah who we've seen it

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We see in

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: In a box yeah for like half a second right yeah much bigger part in this one

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like is bit for tuna male or female or is that just sort of not think male he kind of has a male face

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was played by male actor, but he's got these sort of long fingernails. He's sort of I like him

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He's sort of androgynous. No no need for us. Yeah, so binary before to is bib fortuna and

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I like I just like you're seeing the procedures of Jabba's palace, right?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're greeted by guards you're greeted by bit for tuna and then you're like led into this like stinky den

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's got like a band. It's got like weird

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Not just any bands. Okay, talking about max rebo bands the max rebo band. Let's just be

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: On the level here Ben's favorite band of all time

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: A leather max rebo band jacket with

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Patches on the back from every separate tour date. He's gone to Ben's sort of a fish head for rebo. He follows them on the road

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that their live shows some of the max rebo band members you got max rebo is the sort of like a little kind of furry bug guy

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's like dude that like that?

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe max rebo is the blue elephant that size noodles

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The max rebo. Oh, no, maybe you're right. Maybe that is max rebo

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see. I have to look it up. Okay. No, I got it max rebo is the elephant guy nailed it

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So who sighs noodles again. Is he like the one who's playing like a clarinet?

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Sni-suitles is this good dude. No, that's a lady. No

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: With the puckered asshole with the mouth

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a bummer because there's this huge CGI sequence where she sings

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like her mouth like kind of like like kind of looks at the camera almost

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like the Sammy Hagar of this band. She's the one that like took them down from where they were

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's like furgy. Yes. Yeah, like yeah, she's she's a bummer. I don't like her

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like their song. Yeah, the only thing I really like about the max rebo band is max rebo

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess the elephant max rebo

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really cool like piano that encircles him like a

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Drupal McCool. What a name

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Which one's Drupal McCool? Drupal McCool is like white like white as a sheet of paper and he looks like those

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's one of the brain guys. He looks like a shrimp. No, he's like he's got like he looks like a like a pillowcase

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Looks like a he looks like a pillowcase. I'm sure you're right. He does

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is this is a thing to immediately talk about and we're gonna have to talk about this more on this episode

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, and you're gonna hate where this is going. Yeah, Drupal McCool plays the thing and he looks like a pillowcase

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's Drupal McCool. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, he's the one who plays the weird clarinet

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He's the one who plays the weird clarinet. He looks like a pillowcase. Okay. I don't know what the little furry guy's name is

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's established what a band. What are you laughing at?

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Drupal's actual birth name is a series of unpronounceable flute like whistles great. Oh, that's cool

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are you getting to?

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Done what are you getting to say to give him a fun name so that people could remember. Oh my god, what are you getting to?

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: What is this film?

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna be even angrier when I'm saying what I'm going to say

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to figure out the way to make you least mad

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: George Lucas fucked with this movie a lot in the 90s. Yeah a lot

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the most of the three

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know that George considers that the films weren't done until the 90s that the special editions are the definitive versions

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They're always right well, but then he messed with them more like this

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's never gonna stop the 97 version is not because he kept adding to it

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and he kept messing well the point is no work has ever finished and as you just have to step away

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this movie's got a lot of bullshit in it. Yeah, I mean it's got some bullshit for sure

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I would argue more than the other two in this trilogy

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: The other movies don't have any bullshit. A new hope has the java scene. Oh

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is bullshit to yeah, right that's what I'm talking about in terms of bullshit. No, yeah, this movie

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but even the 1983 version of this movie is

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Just about the modern bullshit. That's the spotlight. I want to put on right now

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right in terms of the modern updated bullshit. This has the most of it. Yeah, okay

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There are less like your point. What's your point? Well this fucking musical performance in the 1993 version was

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Entirely different. Yeah, right because they it was all puppets

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I have seen it but it's been a long time and the song is different right and the scene is structured differently

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and they add size soodles who was in the original version

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They make all CGI now and then they add this new like guy who looks like a fucking termite. Yeah

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a guy like a furry whammy

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And he moves like like Joe Cocker

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and they have this dumb shot where he's singing and he goes like

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He's aware that he's in a movie sure in a film that otherwise throughout this trilogy has been so

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Cinematically classical. He's like fucking with you like you're watching honey eye shrunk the audience

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And is doing like calm. He's not doing it. It's like whatever tech person you hired to do it

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean like that's the problem. No, I'm saying this character. Oh, okay fine

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: All right get your point. What's your point? I don't get what your point is apart from the this scene is annoying

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Which it is oh my god, what?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get so angry what?

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So that happens a lot of these scenes the ships are redone, you know

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Various creatures in the back that are clearly CGI. I'm sorry like pit which we're getting to like

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: More than the other two so always embellishing

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And bellows on everything all these little things, you know, there's one establishing shot outside Jabba's Palace

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Where you just see yeah, like I think like eat something. Yeah, you don't fucking need it. Okay, what?

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna murder you. We don't have much time George Lucas was married to Marshall. No, you do this is important

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to get to this

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: What just do it quickly. I want to talk about this movie. She edited all three original films. Yeah, I know

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She did win an Oscar. I confirmed that she won Oscar for the first one. Yeah

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: They got divorced

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Shortly after return of the Jedi sure married the man who installed the same glass window at Skywalker Ranch

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for people who didn't listen to our revered to the sith live episode that was discussed there

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: George Lucas had to walk under that archway every single day when he went into work made by the man who would now be there on good terms

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Though do we know no he?

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Refuses to acknowledge her ever has had her wiped from like all the like

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Documentaries and books about it like alright. She's personan on grata despite the fact that she not only edited all three films

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But like helped develop the scripts with him was a big creative like consult for him

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She's no longer talked about period. Yeah, it's been stricken from the wreck. She oh, I she is alive

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of is a recluse. She just kind of takes it if she produced a short film in 1996

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Her last editing job ever was return of the Jedi like no one really knows what she's up to

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: She married the same glass window guy for ten years. They divorced no one really knows that she's up to go on

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: She got $50 million in divorce

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She's fine. She's your point like she was the one who was kind of keep raining him in is that your point?

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, and that's I think I've hit that note hard enough throughout the series. Yeah, this is a huge thing. Okay

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: George Lucas I

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Do think we have learned throughout watching all these movies

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Has really bad

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Judgment, uh-huh perhaps good instincts and bad judgment

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh, and so he looked at these original films had the wrong idea of why people like them why they worked

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then reverse engineered. I don't agree. I think that he just has ILM and

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Just wanted to mess with them. He just likes it. I it just makes him happy. I think call me calm

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: They I also think when you hear him talk about it

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: He defends your movies in ways that don't make any sense and he essentially goes if you don't like it

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's because you don't understand, but you know what I'm gonna speak up for George Lucas here

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he made some fucking movies. Yeah that are great

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and we constantly yell at him all the time about the things he did the things he changed

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The things we don't like the new movies he made and he's just like he's never giving an interview when people aren't like

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What about this? What about this and he has to come up with something?

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You know he makes what he does what he wants to do

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree and I have been you know as bad as anyone at this

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a personally yelling at his face twice on students like it

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just fucking get over it. That's not the point. I'm trying to get at what are you trying to get at?

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, he's not the film's horn finish because he has these effects that he couldn't realize in his head

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: What he wanted to look right and all this bullshit in the background and whatever and so the movies are done 83

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: She divorces him. He goes and does other stuff for a while. He comes back in the 90s and goes

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm making more Star Wars

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm making the first three and I'm releasing special editions and they come out and people go oh

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: All these changes are kind of weird. I mean I remember in originally people were kind of like

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like especially 97 they took a little while to sink in

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Why do I think they sunk in?

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he made the prequels nobody like bigger thing

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: He then never let people see the original movies ever again. Well, right of course

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the only hit on him is he should just let people see the original movie every time someone has done that has gone back

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We're just running into like what is this a nerd podcast? No, this is huge David. This is huge

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Go on what they've allowed the original version to exist and he's been steadfast about it

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And when the Library of Congress asked to induct Star Wars in he gave him a 35 millimeter print of the 1997 special edition

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's such I don't care. I'm on the record. I don't give a shit about any of this finish your point

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: David, do you know what I figured out while watching the movie last night?

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you figure out while watching through to the end credits?

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you know that with these new special editions the only versions that he allows to be legally

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Released and the only time he's released the original versions in any form in the last 15 years was as special features

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Not classified as their own movies on a DVD that was available

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He did editions special editions where they were bonus disc special features hidden under the menu only available for three months

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to kill you in the end credits. It reveals that not only do the special editions have like

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: different

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know the crew to remaster and the new effects team, but a different editor. Okay, okay?

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: This is your big reveal

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That by establishing a different cut of the film

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Yes. Yes. He hates his life. His ex-wife. Never ever

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Entitled to make any residuals she no longer has points in the film. Okay

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You think it's all just a big revenge fuck against Marsha Lucas

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he genuinely thinks it looks better with these stupid butthole creatures. Yeah, I don't know

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I I don't know but I also think a

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: man who has not driven

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So mad by the failure he feels to make that relationship work

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Would not say hey no one can ever watch those movies ever again

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't exist pretend that he doesn't even have the elements to restore has anyone even ever done no one before no

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's such a weird thing to do. I want to go on the record. I don't support this theory

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about it all Marsha Lucas like Godfather 3 is bad. Yeah, somebody should fix that movie

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just start fixing all the movies. Yeah, no, I mean I agree that you can't fix

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Let them stand

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate nerds and they're always complaining and it's like dude does whatever it's okay

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Empathize with him. I understand this is a wounded man. We have to talk about this movie

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to the German palace. It's crazy. It's awesome cut all of that. I swear to God space. We've ever seen I

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually might cut some of that out. Yeah, that was cutting none of that out. Oh my god the Cantina we thought the Cantina was bad

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Rebo I'm so mad at Griffin right now. It's crazy

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so mad about this is what people tune in to hear about

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about it what I'm here trying to talk about

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Not liking me guys. What did you think of Leia's?

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Outfit too fast too fast. We can't go there yet. Sorry Jabba's palace is awful. Uh-huh. It's filled with scum

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the Cantina times a billion

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we knew the Jabba was in charge of tattooing that the huts ran it

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't know that they were like actual monsters. I'm not talking physical appearance. I'm talking in behavior, right?

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's this dude sitting on a throne

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Drinking grape juice. He's got a little creature laughing at some all the time

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so I just got a bunch of women chained up and he's making them dance all the time drops him into pits and kills them

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you in such a bad mood because I just hate that Marshal Lucas shit so much

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not yes it is because I think you can just invent anything up like, you know, it's like we're I don't like reading into that stuff

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it super. I think film should stand on their own merits. That's it

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about like behind the scenes too much. I get oh, it's interesting

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I like we are not just a pot. I love you must remember this

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not just a talking about these movies were trying to make sense of the entire thing around I think is actually a good time

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's cut to a commercial break. Are we gonna have commercial breaks now?

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this episode is the start of this. Yeah, this might be the last episode we ever do okay

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's play the commercial break. Wait, did we really take a commercial break?

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe wow

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Java is dropping ladies down pits

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: This guy has no respect for anyone else the one thing he loves is that framed

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Carbonite Han Solo on the actually like that a lot

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not mentioned or it's vaguely mentioned but like in Empire Boba Fett just wants to bring

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's the carbonates just a transportation right like I don't think it's supposed to be like a trope of a request

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like but I think I like the idea of Java just seeing them being like that's great

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Just put that right over there. I like the way that looks. I like the feng shui that

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Before I got so furious with you for fucking bringing up all that shit and talk

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_00]: A bigger picture kind of way when you listen to this entire series. I'm gonna kill him

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I do just yes, I like we were saying see through PNR 2d2

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing it from their eyes that we just everything unfolds very nicely

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We get the sin and iniquity of Java. We get his personality very quickly. I love him

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a big puppet. Yeah, he's cool. I mean he sucks but he rules. Yeah, he's not great

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't like him orally. We like him as viewers just like the there's something about the way he presides over things that is

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Original I think yeah, like

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the only other well the emperor is a pretty good villain, but he's the best villain that's not Darth Vader

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say well, this is my favorite thing about this chunk of the movie

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean if you look at him in the six movies

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He's bizarre like he's in Phantom Menace is a race guy and then he's kind of like nice to Han Solo in a new hope

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like hey, don't worry about it

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in this one

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like the nastiest thing that ever existed grossest creature of all time

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he probably should not be in the movies other than this movie

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. It almost feels like this should be the first time you see yeah, because he's been talked about yeah

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And an empire Han Solo is like I got a deal with this. Yes, but

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, he's kind of blunted by those earlier appearances, but whatever whatever whatever very cool in this one

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: He's great in this see through PNRTD to walk and see him everything's weird. They play a message

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a reversal of a new hope. It's now looking to the Leia and he just he just is like these guys are gifts enjoy them

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty funny and

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And job is like okay send them to the back room

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think job even well job is just a muse cuz see 3PO didn't know what's gonna happen

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And see three pills just like bleeping about it. Yeah

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all this stuff is cool

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's that weird robot who's like this sort of slave master who tells they're like branding

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like high-end branding other robots and they all seem really

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I love the scene with the little guy who's getting his feet toasted or whatever

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But also like it brings up this like wait robots can feel pain. This hasn't come up before

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: See through Pio got blasted into bits. Why wasn't he like shrieking the whole time?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's screaming because he doesn't want to he likes the way his feet look. It's not a physical

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a really cool idea though like to see but you do immediately start going like wait

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What like or maybe they like put a chip in his brain to make him feel pain that'd be crazy

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think a thing, you know, even if this is the weakest of the three movies

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this film does well and it's in stark relief in this movie it because of its

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Faults in other areas. I think becomes very clear stands in opposition to the phantom anus trilogy is

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to which all three of these movies are shot and part of it is the technology the limitations of the time

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you know, you couldn't do crazy CGI that you had to as we talked about in the past

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Build a bunch of stuff have it already on the same day set it up in the frame

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Have the job is just like huge puppet that like eight people are operating or whatever right there is so much that isn't explained

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, isn't

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Aggravated because the stuff they don't explain is the stuff that is world-building

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what do you mean? I just give me one example before whether or not robots can feel oh sure

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need and then you see the disintegrated robe with a half just like

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right all these things and who the characters are you know, whatever you go into an environment like if you're making a movie about

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Lawyers like the judge

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't need to spend the time explained to us. Okay by the way a lawyer is someone no

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I get what world-building is right and what I like about these movies as opposed to how the prequels work

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is that the original trilogy episode one two and three? I

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that these films like just don't explain shit. Yeah, no

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a scene where you walk into Jabba's palace and someone goes so listen Jabba comes from our family line

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Technically they own all property here and this and that so he collects rent from everybody

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is how he collected all of this

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: There they shoot everything and dramatically play everything out in a way like it is just a world, you know

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Like cinematically it looks like it was shot in a courtroom

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Except it's not it's shot in a crazy environment with weird shit happening in the background

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's but let's look just just in the case of that what I also like is

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Landos there. Yeah, but nobody knows right, but he's there right and we just sort of glance take a glance at him

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He's wearing a mask. He's like a guard and he's little little you see that mustache you go and then Leia shows up

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's you know spoiler alert guys. It's Leia dresses a little bounty hunter

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah with Chewbacca and like you know, I just like it's like the droids show up. Oh, there's Lando

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here's Chewbacca like we're like oh everyone's everyone's dropping in you are skipping over though

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The droids get assigned to job, you know, I was I said mention this wave guy. Yeah, so

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: R2D is a translator pretty funny because he doesn't get that he should finesse

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like negotiation is very literal, but whatever that I mean that's that's about the obvious. It's good

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like it's not surprising to see 3po struggling to understand human emotions not good at nuance or hut emotion

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotions period that's really funny. Yeah, it's got this awesome language bad guy great character

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like rubbery in the right way, you know, you can kind of see the seams of his costume

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's it almost helps. Do you think it's really good that Lucas did not replace that puppet?

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: No, do you think like his knees gave out between a new hope and return of the Jedi because a new hope

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're like yeah like whatever he's just got so fat that he couldn't

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Look the reason is that it's a puppet right but still I do like

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that bit where they surprise Leia when she frees Han from the carbonate where it's like

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He they just kind of roll him out. It's like how was he hidden?

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's on this huge

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're just like

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There he is a cardboard wall painted to look like he wasn't there

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know Leia freeze Han, but they get rumbles bad ass cuz Leia comes in you think very cool

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And and you don't know what's late first. They don't tip the audience off to it

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very small bounty hunter brother in that her face is fully concealed

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: She's got a voice like modeling the same trick that they pulled in new hope that like Chewbacca in manacles trick

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but it's good. Yeah, and yeah, and she has this tense standoff with job. It's very cool

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She has a grenade. Yeah thermal detonator like and she like it presses him

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, she calls his blood. He's like this is my kind of scoundrel. You're like scum scum

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like the coolest bounty hunter we've seen in the film that she waits until nightfall

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Job was away. He's hiding behind a one-direction poster

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And she frees Han yeah, and Han's kind of out of it

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here's the problem then she gets rumbled and job puts her in a fucking sexy gold bikini

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if we're gonna talk about this problem

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean like it's just annoying because Leia is like so cool for five minutes

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like well and now enjoy please enjoy Leia in a sexy gold bikini while a slug wicks her

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't deny it

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like now you're teeing me up to get into another conversation that you don't want to have what about Marsha Lucas again

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not about Marsha Lucas. I think there's a big thing to discuss here, which is the difference between

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The content within a film and how an audience interprets it. Oh, I guess I know I just it's more just I

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Just wish this movie let Leia do a little more

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this movie struggles with that

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's only in the bikini for like 15 minutes if that right if that

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The opening of the film is the coolest Leia's ever been

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's pretty cool in Empire when she's on I think the bush stuff is the coolest

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool. I just really cool. Um, I think she's got some very cool stuff at the end of the film

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: She maintains agency. No, she's fine

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it's it's no

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is important thing to talk about because it's been like a lot of think pieces about this recently

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: right, so I mean the problem is there are 20

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Minutes of the film that amount to maybe eight minutes of screen time and which within the narrative

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She is now a slave of Jabba's because he caught her trying to free on or freeing hand

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And now she's in a metal bikini and she's on a chain

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: She's the only female character the movies have right, okay, but

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Job as a salvage no I get it

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I get that it all makes sense within character appreciate women like it's a reality of the world that they've created

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually don't buy that argument total. I do

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a slug. Why does he want to have sex with like white women? Why doesn't he want to have sex with like

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Having sex well what why does he want to lick and like whatever kind of fondle them

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But from the time we walk in he's got like four women. I know that's what I'm saying

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of lame. He's got open tastes. Yeah, I don't really buy it

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like they're like hey

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like Larry castin young Larry castin and George Lucas being like be pretty fucking great if

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Leia was in like a crazy sexy bikini

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This is where I disagree and I don't want to play devil's advocate here, but I feel like the film never

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Sexualizes her to the audience. I think she exists as a thing that's being like abused

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We should say she's one of the most iconic sex symbols in the history of cinema is Leia in the gold

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is the whole point

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm too high can you take like can you hold the movie responsible for the fact that or like I think you can

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I don't know

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I'm not saying anything either way, but I think it's a very tricky question

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is that like this movie has seen by a lot of boys who are very young?

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I was never into this by the way

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they can feel I do feel like this is an early

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like a lot of men straight men's class by this like ooh an early sort of awakening moment when I was eight years old

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw Leia and return to the Jedi when you're eight years old

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see that any movies where women are that's gonna go. I'm not I'm not objecting to that

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. I so I think it becomes this thing of like, you know, whatever the first thing you see establishes your sexual picket

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Illyos or whatever it is. Yeah, we're no no writer in Beatles. Right. That's yeah

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The only person I want to accept the grown-up version of it which is essentially

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to move on because we don't have much time, but it's an interesting way. It's an interesting debate

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think the problematic areas that for 30 years that became the dominant visual of Leia the main costume

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That they merchandise the thing that everyone talked about this pop culture like I mean she has this heroic moment

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she gets to kill Jabba the hut. Yeah, you know, which is nice. Yeah. Hey, no her

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Honeybun haircut also pretty pretty that was very iconic. I would even argue to say that her wearing her white

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: costume with the buns

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Iconic I would say yeah in the last 10 years. I will say speaking from my area of expertise

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: The slave outfits been merchandise more than anything else and the mere fact that the thing

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Shimmer was on the cover of GQ this year like second C3 POS thumb

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We're in a we're in the slave way out right

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't give it the Amy Schumer could do whatever the fuck she wants

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just at a certain point it gets a little tiring

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess and especially because the next most prominent female character in the sequel trilogy is Mon Mothma

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who has two lines of expertise and like I said that to my girlfriend

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We were watching which was like who is Mon Mothma and then when she showed up

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like who's this lady like my mouth was on a character with like a ton of

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know now so it's just whatever because it's like everyone gets you know

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Drawn into the palace. Yeah, Han Solo and Chewbacca there in jail

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The droids are sort of servants lay as a slave and then Luke shows up and like saves the day

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty cool over this this quickly. Yeah, dude. It's we don't have much time

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean there's a great moment here where they're on the barge. Everyone's there Han is mostly blind

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they all look to each other and nod they hit this like one awesome like music cue every time one of them nods

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Or they go like don't yeah, oh, it's great

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Trailers yes

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Landow everyone nodding. How are they gonna get out of this R2D2 fucking shoots a lightsaber out of his head

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll time R2 was there for I mean I would backtrack even though you know just briefly

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just like Luke's entrance when he's all in black

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's suddenly like force commanding people out of his way couple the guards

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess he kind of like yeah a little bit and he like

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Brainwashes bib fortuna. Yeah, and he's just the whole time like yes

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: See you went too fast over this cuz this is not good too far you went to them sail barge

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking about on edge about the fact that I'm seeing this movie. Oh my god, and he like fights the rancor. Yes

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also this sort of misdirect where at this point in time you wonder if Luke is like turned back like he's black

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Choking people I gotta be honest. I never thought that when I was like a kid like I never occurred to me

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But now watching as a little it's clearly meant to trick you, but I guess so yeah

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I guess cuz he gave up the droids so you're thinking like oh, what's what's up with Luke is he like but

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The rank or fight I love yeah, it's interesting

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy the rancor fight, but I will say it is sort of it's emblematic of this movies

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like likeable problems which are then embellished on

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Unlikeably in the in the prequel movies where it's like he's gonna fight a giant crazy puppet

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know just cuz like it'll be it'll be cool. Like it doesn't mean anything

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Watching people suffer having women's like watching men get killed like he's a bummer dude

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I know it's just like this movies a little long

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like this is the longest of oh easily yeah

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's 215 I think and like it has a lot of sequences that are

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously like George Lucas sort of flexing his muscles, you know being like wow

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do this crazy big stop motion creature

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do this speeder bike chase like you know all this effect showcasing away

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The other two don't as much the other two

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I can't believe he was able to execute this vision and this one

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Felt like he was like what's a cool idea for a thing to happen, but I think all the things are cool

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was saying. They're all very likable here

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like you do sort of get a whiff of like oh this is sort of

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's being encouraged maybe in the wrong direction a little bit and also the

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The best part is

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The that the rank hurt like what's his keeper the keeper whatever he is maybe my favorite thing

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. It's such a good note

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't hit it too hard the guy doesn't have dialogue no

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He just cries Luke kills the rank where and he's like walks in it should kill the rank or right?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the idea is this is a fully rounded universe in which everyone has their reasons well

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also it's like you don't really like hate the rank or he's just like this giant beast

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He kept in like a cage right and like yes

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Luke is our hero he should kill the rank or because he has to survive

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But that guy's job for the last 10 years has been feeding this rank or of course

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He'd be sad and you have that shot of like the guy can so it is it's a great

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great little nice little humanist moment

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like everyone in the galaxy has their own life

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They got to wake up every morning and feed a rank or right like get fired by Darth Vader

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The rank or yeah anyway, we do have to move on yeah because there's my god

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, this is the best of the movie to talk about as the first 40 minutes

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the movie you can kind of I agree with that that the Java sequence is so well realized

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also Leia gets her just desserts. Yeah, she chokes Java

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I noted I noted. Yeah. Yes. She gets to choke Java. It's great. That's miserable the whole time

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She's in the costume. I'm not saying she I mean I know Fisher has had a lot to say about that

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I know I I mean I don't have a clear

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: thesis on it

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think a lot of what's problematic about it is what culture has made of it in the last 20 years like there

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Was 20 years of everyone being like fucking hot, huh?

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Not Star Wars itself doing that but the things around Star Wars and the companies that make the t-shirts

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And the TV shows that parody it and then it becomes like

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe if you only have one female character whether or not

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: More female voices have been heard in recent years than were heard earlier points agree

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm agreed in all spectrums of culture if you only have one female character

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah of note in a trilogy and you have her where I'm not here to fucking do it say like people can take what they want

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Agree, I don't know why I say that but I just think my big problem is that Leia then like her big moment is killing Java

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she gets a couple other cool little notes in the movie speeder break chase speeder break chase is fun

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's that moment where she shoots the stormtrooper. You know where she's got the gun

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the movie is Leia just kind of chilling out and being told things and kind of you know

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: She's alright, but she doesn't it's her weakest

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a huge arc except for being told she's Luke's sister. Yeah

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Which we knew I don't know why the film well, she has to find out so they give us that moment

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway just to wrap up the job of stuff because yeah, there's a lot

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's that cool thing where Luke gets the lightsaber at our two and like you know

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Does this cool like jump off of the?

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Diving board and it's a little goofy, but I like goofy things

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that joke in the movie. I like the reveal that his lightsaber is green

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like all these cute little things the sarlacc is a good idea except Luke now

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all CG I said it all this nonsense. It's not necessary

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But but no the thing I was gonna say is goofy

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe my favorite joke in the movie as a little boy and watching the movie and liking Muppets and retreating back to a

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Simpler state of mind. Well is Han still largely blind

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Chewbacca growls something at him he goes Boba Fett where Boba Fett

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then turns around to find Boba Fett and in the process not Boba Fett. I was gonna and kills it

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say it's

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of weird cuz like Boba Fett so hyped up and he's in the attack of the clones

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's like oh his end is like on accidentally knocked into the sarlacc

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mr. Magoo bit

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Boba Fett dies at the hands of a mr. Magoo

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Han Solo is pretty funny in this opening sequence too like he's being kind of sardonic with Luke

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got that great line where he goes where's Luke?

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes oh, he's their Jedi and he goes Luke a Jedi

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gone for a couple minutes everyone suddenly has delusions of grandeur

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great line great

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know there's that thing where he likes like the tentacle has land oh and he like kind of shoots it

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all fun. Yeah good fun. It's blind. It's a mr. Magoo or a team. That's good

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just had a second more like he doesn't do anything

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish he wasn't a little boy in attack of the clones and there wasn't that misdirective

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. Yeah making us think he's too important very true. Yeah

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know it's cool. Yeah blow up the sail barge

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all a little convenient like the droids jump off at the last second and then they like magnetize them out

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought of an interesting question

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: what loses

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It loses his lightsaber at the end of the previous movie. Yeah, it's got a new lightsaber

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you learn from the

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Chlore's animated series that where they make yeah how they you know

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Jedi temple the crystal right but there's no Jedi anymore

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I have who's making this lightsaber now because his lightsaber is green means it uses a synthetic crystal

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So he didn't go to that is that true that is that is the stupid cannon explanation for that

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the real reason it's green is because the special effects people needed a color that popped more against a blue sky

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But the in cannon reason yeah, cuz like the original posters to this movie. He has a blue lightsaber interesting

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But then eventually they were like a blue doesn't look good. He's waving it against the blue sky a lot

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make it green and thus multi-colored lightsabers were born

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like I mean this is the thing about Star Wars and all of these things that they layer in with all these

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Additional magical magic. It's like yeah, they were just making a fucking movie

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like originally the lightsabers are going to be white in the new hope and they were like

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's make one blue and red just so they look different

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But but I mean to throw at this thing about the special dish without invoking your least favorite woman in the world

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to strangly I'm not gonna invoke her

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think George genuinely does go well, but originally I want to be this it should look like this this and that and doesn't

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_00]: understand that

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it is George a that's the way it is

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you're not always right the things that by my mistake are oftentimes happy accident heat

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true, but I do also think like look George Lucas is a weird character

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of other directors who behave the way he did which is essentially you made a couple movies

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you just worked on them for the rest of your life

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and you know you hear about like Spielberg tweaking ET and immediately realizing like I hated that I ever did that

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know so other directors have the oppa but you know that's the kind of director George Lucas is and we just

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of have to live with it like if George Luke's had made silent running and tinkered with it

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no one would care as much because these movies don't mean cuz they wouldn't I mean

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I like silent running, but you know it's not it's not the cornerstone of America's most popular pop culture franchise

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a story that

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Simon Pegg was at some Hollywood like shindig party thing sure and was talking to Ron Howard and George Lucas came up to him and

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess Ron Howard was a big fan of Sean the dead was talking to George Lucas

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm said hey, Ron. How are you doing and Ron Howard said hey? Have you met Sean?

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Some peg sorry say have you met Simon Pegg? He's the guy who did

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he went no no I haven't seen his and Ron Howard. Oh man. It's great. It's so good

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the best thing I've seen such a long time and Lucas went congratulations, and he this is Simon Pegg story

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He says that Lucas looked at him and said do me a favor

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Just promise me right now. You won't end up making the same movie 30 years from now well

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And like walked away so he was in some weird like melancholy mood said it as a haunted man

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I do think I mean

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's for sure that and it seems like from all these interviews George Lucas has had to give revolving around a movie

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He actually has no like staking yeah the force awakens. He seems pretty embittered about like look nobody liked my movies

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what am I gonna do? I think everyone's happy that I'm not involved in this one

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But became a prison for him and perhaps the way this recording studio has become a prison for us, you know

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to fucking kill you we need to kind of thematically tie everything together

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Why you try too hard to try everything together thinking about one thing it starts to drive you mad

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the release of the fact that tomorrow will see the new Star Wars movie

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be freed is the gift that we need for this Christmas David don't know don't grab griffin don't grab me David

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Stop I'm saying you're thinking too much. All right. We're gonna hold fucking like narrative talk about return of the Jedi

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Luke goes back to day go by he sees Yoda Yoda is not doing hate this scene one of the work

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably the worst scene in in the original trilogy

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say this scene which was added at

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Castings and Lucas's request okay like was written it wasn't in the original script was Yoda not supposed to be not supposed to appear

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, but Lucas decided after consulting with a child

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Psychologist the kids might think that Vader was just lying when he said he was his Luke's father

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they needed like sort of a confirmation. I

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Hate this scene because one

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Dying Yoda takes forever to say everything and you're just like Jesus Christ

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because all he's saying is like Darth Vader's your dad

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You have a sister and like we know all that shit already and

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Hamill

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't really sell the scene his feelings which should be like

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know he should have some major feelings about all this because basically what he's being told is like look

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We knew the whole time and we've kind of watched you your whole life

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like a lot of it's a lot of whammy to put on it. It's a lot of whammy it's a

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing what he's like that is

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you're like

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is me not being able to view this movie objectively because here just like those

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the puppetry so good. It is it's very well done

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And like it's cool that Yoda looks more ancient than he did even in the last movie and they really sell

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Performance of someone dying it's like I don't disagree with you

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think this scene is like almost entirely superfluous and then is followed by a scene where Luke just like chats with Obi-Wan's ghost

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, previously has been this kind of like difficult to like see vision or this overheard voice

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're just like having a

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the deal and Obi-Wan's like look I don't know

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't a Darth Vader almost two different people to be like all right like it feels like retconning

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the worst part of the whole movie. I

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Mean or at least you see where I'm coming from I do I see we are coming from I just have such a hard time actually judging

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_00]: This I don't know

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I because there are lots of things in this movie that I like that I know I should maybe be a little more critical

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Of right, but this scene has never been a favorite of mine

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm listening to puppetry then you yeah, I just love puppetry

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I can get blinded by that but you got to admit the Obi-Wan scene is like

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's some good. I actually feel a little bad for Alakanness who you you know

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know was never like particularly interested in the Star Wars movies

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that they brought him in for this. You know, do you know who I think also feels a little bad for Alakanness

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Alakanness during that scene he looks really really embarrassed. He just looks a little pained really like yeah

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because it's just all exposition yeah

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of Obi-Wan's

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Facility in the original movies and the in the non-original movies

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But is also starting to like tiptoe towards the problems of

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Phantom yeah, it is whereas like where it's all explained out loud

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the key difference like for Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back George Lucas is a very good

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Storyteller he's telling stories and in this one. He's starting to get into plot

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot of plot to be dug up and like distributed. It's interesting because

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's you're right and yet also the plot is like

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically already known, you know, but isn't that the exact thing that happens with the Phantom Manus trilogy?

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The basic beats are so simple and he's adding all this plot to the sidelines that like I agree can be in

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably doesn't need to be focused on we've actually we have discussed the failures of the Phantom Manus trilogy

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean obviously the problem with that is like he probably has about one and a half movies worth of like actual plot prequel

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Plot yeah, and so he has to pad it out with all kinds of nonsense

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what's really bad the prequel movies. They're so bad every time I think of something from them

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like yeah, yeah because I've been watching the original the the old movies like

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It really they also don't even look like the same they don't

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that looks the same is like lightsaber like you know really simple visual effects

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that's the same is the music and the sounds basically we need to see this no movie

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to dress like exercise all these demons from us this

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Then one hour worth the wine

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we got it

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We got but you know what you're kind of right because after the job is stuff

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and that little day of a sequence becomes two things that we need at like the Rebel Alliance base

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Rebel Alliance seems to be mostly governed by these like red fish people who we've never met before my favorite character

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Act bars great. Yeah, look

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you don't know what he like what's going on there, but like you say it's kind of like the job stuff

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like all right cool

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he has a fish head sticking vertically outside of a human suit and he has like flipper arms

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like flipper hands

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which makes no sense because it's a spaceship that's clearly just designed for like humans

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It has like buttons and dials main job would be hidden button

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like how the fuck does any of this work doesn't matter great voice

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He does his math bar cool

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to be like the calamari people they seem to they're called the count witch's lurch the best

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to be like the naval backbone like they have all these big ships that like Mon Moth was a human and she's a human

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's in the prequel trilogy mostly and deleted scene

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Exclusively and is it does she not even show up if she does it's silent. Yeah

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I'm all but certain. She does not appear visually. I I'll say this. I hate them on Moth. I hate it

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Why because she is like many both and spies died to get this information and there I'm like

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Well, we don't know what those are so you know like she's selling it way too hard for me

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But once again

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is that thing that this is the movie where George is starting to get way too interested in the small details

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Little bit, you know, it's the forest through the trees thing like he's oh people like the fact that this world exists

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah spotlight a little which is what happens to seek but I think there's a tricky balance which is that like

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You can have these things existing around the film and not explained and they

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They add intrigue. Let me say this disagree with you

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We just really have to get to the end of this but the second you start to hint at it a little bit

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You become aware of the fact that you don't know more. We haven't even talked about the Ewoks or the emperor

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they land on the planet and or

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No, the moon forest mood of the planet right anyway, there's two plots

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what happens everyone meets up land us there and we're sent on two missions mission one go to this

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Forest moon you're a general down. Yeah, just you know solo Hansen charge of this mission

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Go to the forest moon shut down the force field that's around the death star

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like this idea death star is not yet finished it has to be protected by a force

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Shut down the security shut down mission to

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck is Landau in the Millennium Falcon general with like the rebel fleet

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're gonna once this is shut down fly into the death star blow it up nine numb

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's his nine nummest is Mickey Mouse awesome. He's on the Falcon cool so

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly we're on plodding. Mm-hmm

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's crazy like I remembered this movie being over long and having a lot of Ewok shit

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It has so much of this shit

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's this really cool start where there's this speeder bike chase that we've talked about

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome really interest like really like visually interesting where they're racing through the trees

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I love that Lucas kept finding new ways to do essentially like a space battle

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But like with different environments and if you know, like this is like a bike chase. I mean whatever it's got its

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's putting a lot of you know, that's cool

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But a force is an environment we know when we're placing something we don't know in it still relatable this

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Introduces Leia to the Ewoks. Yeah who are adorable teddy bear creatures with big like black eyes

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well honestly they look like a bunch of teddy bears

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's they look like the care bears they sort of behave

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they seem to resemble the Native American culture

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess so in the way that he does like big mapping it is their child like Native American

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It is utterly offensive to consider but it makes the correct choice of not having to speak right right

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Which does help but they are like so annoyingly child

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean basically there a quote-unquote primitive culture and much like in phantom menace, right Lucas seems to delight in the idea

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like oh they beat the empire using their their know-how and their gorilla tactics, and they're really small

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: They're very

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that wicket the main Ewok played by warwick Davis young warwick Davis is so cute

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I do too. I love him and I like the Ewoks in general. I mean when I was a kid

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Objective

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to be objective

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Wicked's got a little butt and

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He's always like there's this really cute scene where he thinks how Leia's helmet is like a weapon and he's like

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all great love the Ewoks if you consider the Ewoks too much they bum you out

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't deny it. Also, maybe they should only be in like 20 minutes of the movie as opposed to like four and a half hours

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so annoying because they like capture Luke and Han and all these people

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like there's this sense that like there are stakes like maybe they're gonna murder them

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you just never buy it. They worship see 3PO is a God which essentially feels like a problem from Mork and Mindy

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a sitcom subplot

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: There's where they think he's a god cuz he's gold and then Luke has to levitate him to make it look like

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He's magic so that he can convince them not to eat Luke

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's kind of goofy there's a bizarre scene where C3PO does the plot of

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: the previous movies in like Ewok language sound effect yeah cuz they haven't seen the Star Wars movies

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It is fucking stupid as shit and like so there's stuff like that that's stupid as shit

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's goofy and like on this sequence is where suddenly Han Solo becomes aware of a love triangle that no longer exists

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he for the first time so weird after basically just like being with Leia in this movie

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He suddenly his confidence like leaves him and he's like oh you're in love with Luke

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You must be in love with Luke. It's fine. I'll leave don't worry

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll get out of your hair and it's so weird because we and Leia and everyone's just like no

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that actually Han like that basically has been dispensed with

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, this is my brother. There's this really boring scene where Luke reveals to Leia

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The heat that they're related that I think doesn't lie

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of my problem with Leia's arc is she sort of like passively just like listens

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: To all this stuff. I think Richard Markham isn't a very good actors director

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Well George Lucas disagrees with you. I think he was probably had a better process

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't disagree there. I think the performances are pretty weak in the big emotional scenes in this movie all are really forced

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But like look, yeah, let's make my friend Marie

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Barty our friend our friend. Yeah pointed out to me that like Leia has a crazy fucking coke fingernail in this movie

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She's got one long fingernail her for you know, which is like, you know

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone in this movie is just kind of like alright like are we done?

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Harrison Ford basically wanted to be like dead in this movie. I want them to kill him off, you know Mark Hamill

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know him as much. I'm sure he was fine

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know everyone really good in this movie. He is and you know Carrie Fisher like everyone feels like just a little detached

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a little emotionally detached

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah from a production that I imagine was a little more elaborate and annoying and they were all famous

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know such Harrison Ford was already Indiana Jones at this point

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They had worked with yeah, so like yeah that does show through in the performance like in the scenes where there is not

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Special effects which is few

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like to yeah exactly. Yeah the Ewok stuff especially

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's get to the Darth Vader stuff because that's the last important thread to cover

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the major thing in the Ewok stuff is just that there is this long

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously Vietnam inspired

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Scenes of like the Ewoks defeating the Imperials

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like using tree drunk right and it's like kind of cute

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little much. Yeah, and it just sort of reminds you of the Gungan thing

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is way worse, but is in the same like yeah ballpark. I know you like it

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like cuz I watched it even like last night and was like I don't know why people are so hard on this

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And as you explain it, I'm like I completely understand why people are so hard on this

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know when you watch it you're basically I do think it goes on a bit like yeah

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they have like four sequences with logs and you're like we get it

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: They got logs can hit people we get yeah, no is they hit it. They hit it pretty hard

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The the best scene I would say in all of that in all of the forest stuff is just when

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperial surprise Han Solo and the guy goes you rebel scum

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And you never see the Imperials like get worked up or hate the rebels

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just sort of fun to see that guy like getting his one line in okay

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But but on the other end Luke gives himself up to Vader because you know just said you got a kill Vader

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not a Jedi until you kill Vader cuz looks like check check check done all the Jedi stuff

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Ever said like yes, you know you go into the cave and you gotta calm your emotions

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, then of course you get your license to kill mission. I

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Think it's more I mean it's more just Yoda being like Vader's got to go

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're the only one who can do it

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little little back in column a column B is a little bit of like that's the thing that's still holding you back

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know like Vader represents so much to you. It's like the fear of you know that you have to come inside

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair for him to say you have to kill Vader as opposed to then a Jedi you will be right as opposed to you have to face

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Jada Jader Jader Vader. I'm going in right now Darth Vader Darth Vader

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes gives himself up to Darth Vader. Yeah, the miss potato head version of Darth Vader. Yeah

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They like have this talk they have like a very casual sort of he's like you're my dad. Hey dad

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What's up dad and Vader's like not your dad man? I'm crazy you look at me

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fake and I'm a big black robot man

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like scary Pete this you're not only my dad your lay is dad

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like yes Luke tells him then no yes. Oh am I wrong about totally wrong the whole sister scene comes in the final battle

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the climactic moment of the battle. Oh

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sister you have a sister

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's just it's Luke almost being like impetuous being like yeah, hey Anakin. What's up Anakin and Vader's like I'm not

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like and he's like uh-huh Anakin. Yeah, you're my dad Anakin. You're my you're good

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I can I can you know he's like yeah, I can feel it I can feel it and Vader's like shut up shut up

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And takes him to the Emperor so we're finally seeing the Emperor yeah

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: One he looks so much better than he did in the in the when his

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: When he looked like the influence and revenge of the sick well cuz it almost looks in this film like he's just an old man

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got like

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Impressive but not absurdly symmetrical

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Evil face makeup. He's just kind of got like white saggy skin with like shit all over his face

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But like you almost didn't need to explain why his face got fucked up

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's in revenge of the city have him look like that and then have him 30 years later

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of you know

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He should just be Voldemorty and like the whole point of Voldemort is like well

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He's powered by evil magic. So he looks evil. Yes, you know, it's kind of twisted him. Yes

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's what we get from the Emperor the Emperor

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: 80% of the time he's sitting in a chair and just saying a Luke kill me kill me come on

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like a real mirror of the scene from revenge of the Sith where he's in an identical chair sure and he's going good good

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's saying most of the same Luke like I'm gonna crush the Rebel Alliance. Yeah, I've set this whole thing up

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like this is your big moment to just get angry and mad and then and Vader and

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Luke like hey man, you don't know how cool it is to fucking be evil

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like we know the Emperor is basically thinking like look Anakin didn't totally work out. He's a weird robot

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's I'm let's let's you know nail it this time, right? So they start having a full-on battle

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He eventually goads Luke into sort of emotional

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: violence, right right again, yeah, and

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Luke kind of tries to chill out and the Vader. Yeah, there's that whole scene where he's like your sister

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps I'll turn your sister. Yeah, and that's when Luke goes berserk chops his hand off

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But then like and this is a moment

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the people are debating right now because people are wondering what Luke's gonna be like in the new movie

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But then he's like no no not gonna do it not gonna like turn to the dark side

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the cool moment where he looks at the stop

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like I'm not gonna and it's sort of a reflection of the cave scene

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the Emperor just like you know starts jacking him up with lightning, right? You know he's like alright fine

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna kill you yeah

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about this scene fine? Well, what's the problem that people have with it?

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It I don't know if people have a problem. I always like it takes like a while

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess the Emperor is just supposed to be torturing him. Yeah, he's like you're like come on

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He can't kill him like yeah, I think it's a torture. He's not I guess so his end goal isn't to kill him

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's to get him to change his mind

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's an idiotic move on the Emperor's part because it basically moves Vader to like finally snap

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah multiple of Vader kind of going like turning the Luke turn to the Emperor turn it like he's like watching a tennis game

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's also a movie and they gotta I mean this is the most that's fine

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm building up to this whole time you have to you know hit it hard Lucas added this thing where he goes like no

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He kills the Emperor now here's my question because I think we have to discuss this even though we only have a few minutes

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Vader really redeemed?

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: All he does is kill the Emperor in a fairly selfish moment

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Just he doesn't even like the Emperor who likes the Emperor. He's an asshole. I don't and he's trained trying to save his son

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think redeemed

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about a guy who like massacred

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I assume committed countless atrocities as Darth Vader

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But like the movie acts like you know what in the end

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He was he was a good guy. I don't think it redeems him. I think in that final moment. It shows

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: His humanity yeah, it's over again at the moment. I don't think he was never totally lost

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess right he there's nothing he could do to redeem like 40 years of bullshit

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the idea will be he says like you were right, you know

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We see him played by Sebastian saw the sort of chalk white. Yeah kind of you know fucked up looking guy

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe the idea is he's finally free of the Emperor's spell. I think he's free of the spell and I think he like

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: His humanity wins over again, but I don't think he's really cleaned right, you know

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's just it's a note and yeah

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He you know he dies fader dies fader dies and Luke burns his body much like Qui-Gon's body was burned

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He burns his body on indoor the final scene between Luke and Vader. I like it's like

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a father and son talking for it's pretty good and you see like oh right Luke sad Luke's like ah you're gonna die shit

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's just like a dude. He's just like a sad old dude inside a suit. Yeah

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: On the other side we've got like they blow up the shield and look there's a pretty cool space battle

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty cool. You walks have a party. Well, no we frequently come on this space battle Landau blows up

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, Akbar says it's a trap right they realize yeah, I mean

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not quite as thrilling as the original movies

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because like yeah kind of know where it's going we've already seen the death star

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We know what's and like we know the Millennium Falcon's not gonna blow up. We know Landau is not gonna die

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, just kind of know these things

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of like clear that like everything's just waiting to get you know

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just waiting for Han Solo to blow up the energy

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then they they reunite and they have this a party on indoor and

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Lucas cuts in scenes of celebration. I know it's such a bummer now to really live like you know like just to think about

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz like he adds a gun guns they cut to Naboo

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They cut to chorus on move places we have not seen in these first three movies trilogy at all and then we see the ghosts of

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Obi-Wan Yoda and Anakin as played by Hayden Christensen you and what I think I really think it's brilliant

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's brilliant because it's George Lucas just saying like

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He knows at this point when he's making these blue rays because it was the blu-ray where he inserted this right on the DVD

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It was still Sebastian Shaw playing an unscarred ghost of

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Anakin yeah, and and I know Lucas has this whole thing where he's like well when Anakin was good

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He looked like Hayden Christensen. So that's what he should like he has like his whole rationalization

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not why he did it. He did it because he knows grown-ups were just like fuck those movies

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm showing my kids four five and six forget the prequels

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna show them the prequels and he's like oh, yeah

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well if you do that your kids gonna be like at the end be like who's that what's this like he basically makes it

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Impossible for you to not watch the prequels in one final little visual like gag

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You do you actually think that's I think that as much as you think Marsha Lucas stained glass window

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I believe that very strong. Well there you go

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that it is him saying like these movies are one six-part series

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I agree with that. Yes, like you cannot really avoid that. Yeah exactly. I think he thinks they're all the same movie and

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Does understand how people could like I'm sorry that I got so mad at you although I was

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So I've been slept in three days. I do want to see this new movie. Yeah, like we have spent how many weeks

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This is 36. I think you know so many weeks just speculating on this man's

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: intentions

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy that how much we do that I know it is crazy

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I know but I just think and I sympathize with him because I do like I was saying really

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's overly scrutinized and bullied. Yeah, and like he did make all these things we love

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it is crazy how much you think about just fucking George Lucas, man

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, can I end this episode with one story? Okay? It's about George, but I think it's important

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, is it like a okay

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Kathleen Kennedy who now is in charge of Lucasfilm. Yeah spearheading all these new movies

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a peace and entertainment weekly recently when they talked about when George came to her and he said I feel like everyone's just

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Mad at me no matter what I do. I was gonna make new movie. Oh, I love this story. This is good story

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But now I just I don't know

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: One where he was basically feeling out like maybe I should hand this off right

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to take over Star Wars?

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And she said that's a big responsibility

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars means a lot to a lot of people and I don't know if I understand why yet

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So I need some time to see if I can figure out what Star Wars is

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like on a cellular level before I feel comfortable being the one who has to make the new ones

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a smart lady

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So she did a lot of research and read all the things that the fans were and tried to differentiate between what they liked

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And what they didn't like and why the prequels and the originals and the whatever and the whatever got you

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she said

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: The thing I'm missing is I need to figure out where these movies came from

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where were you what where were you when you were coming up with a new hope?

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So she went to George and asked him that and he went well

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I like star adventure serials and Buck Rogers

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He gives the answer that a Wikipedia entry based right give it's like, you know Joseph Campbell Buck Rogers

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know the end and she went no where were you when you made motion Lee George?

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Where were you?

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a space soap opera it's about families or for children like he kept on doing that hitting his beats and

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like saying you know Chewbacca was based on my dog

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know right and she went like okay George. I'm let's new conversation. I'm not asking you about Star Wars

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, what was happening in your life roughly between the years of the mid-seventy and three right right right early mid-seventh

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And he went well, you know my father owned a hardware store and growing up

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone thought I was gonna take over the hardware store and that was what my family cared about

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to do I didn't know what I want to do

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But I knew that living a life as a hardware store owner didn't seem exciting to me

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like oh that's Star Wars right?

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean like that's the yearning to like escape and to you know sort of you don't know what but you know

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something out like that Luke looking at the moon the sun

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is, but there's something in this world there

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's meant out there for me right and as people talk about the hero's journey Luke is not the chosen one in this movie

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's what's so good a kid right who happens to be at the right place

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like gets a blood test that confirms that maybe he's a part of a prophecy

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a kid. He's someone who feels like I want my life to be a different a classic

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know hero journey type character

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I belong here, but I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's out of the stars at the right place at the right time

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh be one says Tim if you want to come with me

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's like Obi-Wan says like you've always been meant to do this

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of it's like the same thing that Harry Potter and a million other things do where it's like you

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Turns out you're actually kind of special let's go, but I don't know what it's gonna be

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no Jedi console anymore. We don't know right yeah as opposed to

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the Phantom as trilogy is a

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Kid who seemingly is happy with his life despite being a slave. I mean, let's not speculate. He's alright

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He seems fine. He seems to be doing okay. He doesn't seem to have a yearning. No

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Who is like swept up whether or not he does no I know who's swept up in a grand story

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: A bunch of adults who point their fingers at you

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to do something important because of a blood test. You're important. You have to do this

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think the fundamental difference is the original films are George Lucas going

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I have something to say I need to figure out what it is right and and the Phantom as trilogy is

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: a

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Bunch of people going you're a genius you made those movies that everyone left you have to keep on being a genius

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to do this thing again. Yeah, and with those pressures and those expectations

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: He just sort of

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Went crazy. Yeah, I mean I'm not to use the word

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I get the parallel you are drawing that he succumbed to the expectations

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He felt he felt about the pressure of expectations. Yes

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how power corrupts and they're not good movies, but they are kind of about that

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They're about expectations going wrong. They're very telling and they're about like

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that you can't fight fate and if you do, you know, it's gonna fuck with you

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't know what he wanted to say anymore

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Or he even had anything to say and now he doesn't get to make any more Star Wars movies. Look for all we talked about him

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I do I feel very deeply

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Grateful to him and what he created love him and anytime I see him

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel a little pang and I do think he's a sweetie pie, you know

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad like I feel bad for all the people out there including us who have shit on him for so much

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because he made things that we cared about so much

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a bad guy and we need to sort of rewrite that in her. Yeah, I mean well

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: There's it's just a complicated narrative and we just you know, we're just part of it

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It like it's you know hurt man. He's a scared man

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you like who isn't yeah

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But also he's just like one thing in this like giant monster he created that's like good and bad

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and he's just he's just swept up in it staring at the sunset

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying and then he had to kill his dad, you know like it all yeah, no bad

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying too hard, but I think that's I mean your general point is good. It's pretty good

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you what do you say? I say this is the end of our episode

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The episode the end of

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Me

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Having to hear more about Star Wars. That's the real that's the real story here. Well except that tomorrow we're

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Going to see the new movie and then Friday

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't get tickets all you you guys will show up and do whatever the fuck you do. He's just gonna hit record

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're forgetting you're forgetting one thing what we got a holiday special

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, I'm sure it's good

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Closed as always as always take us home because I need to be

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Holiday special yeah, we'll see you guys for the holiday special

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, we'll be coming out podcast awakens will be coming out on Monday

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the holiday special I believe we're coming out Thursday something like that. Oh really are we not gonna just do it?

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The next Monday yeah, well no, we'll do it. It'll come out Monday the 28 probably right? We'll see it'll be cut out

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have fun

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But as always as always it's been a pleasure guys. It's been a pleasure

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: As always we love you