RoboCop

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[00:02:26] Better bike check yourself Hey This is a main series on the films of Paul Verhoeven Yep It's called Pod Ship Castors Well said And today we are covering his seventh movie overall Is that correct? I tell you but the wifi's down His second English language film

[00:02:44] Because we're only covering the English language film Paul Verhoeven, The Hollywood Years And more importantly We are covering the great American film The This is the great American film Capital T, Capital G I would say so Yep

[00:03:00] I think a lot about Idoli and I'm sure you do as well What you would do Were you invited to submit your Sight and Sound Top 10 Mmm You know the very vaunted Highliest deemed Decades Right every decade Every decade they have a A combination of a Survey

[00:03:18] No there's two lists Journalists and Filmmakers And then the composite list of the two together I said well no but there's the Journalists list and the critic list I think of those as I mean The Filmmakers Filmmakers list There is a combined list Fuck the combined list

[00:03:31] There's three lists in total Fuck the combined list Two lists Two lists Two good lists There's three lists in total It's like the mystery of Al-Nort, Rugby or What's that movie called? Disappearance of Al-Nort That movie was a sticker I can't believe I whiffed

[00:03:45] A reference to a movie for people now That was a movie where I saw the You know them The combined version That was the joke I was making I know and I was like Ugh what a slog And people were like Well you know The two separate versions

[00:03:57] Him and her Yeah You know which were each Like you know an hour 45 minutes long You know those are good And I was like I'm not after watching that I'm not gonna go see The longer versions Yes yes That's how I feel when People tell me to watch

[00:04:11] Batman, V Superman Dawn of Justice The extended cut I actually kinda want to Watch that Someday I'll watch it But today this is The Great American Movie What I was trying to say was I think about that If I were handed a Sight and Sound list right Yeah

[00:04:26] And I know what my top 10 Favorite movies are pretty well There's some rotation Interesting With the moods I don't think I do I'd say I have a 15 That are always in my 10 Wow You know and sometimes The lower rankings Man they're sort of moving They're swimming around

[00:04:39] I go through periods You know There are very few movies That are in my personal top 10 That I think would also make My like sight and sound Here is my objective analysis Of what I think are the 10 Best films that were made I get it

[00:04:51] A lot of the cases of the movies That are on my favorite movie list This is a very roundabout way To say Robocop is on your Favorite movie list And your best movie list Yes I get it I get what you're saying

[00:05:02] But no but what I want to say was Like a lot of my The movies I think are The best films of all time There's another film That director made That personally I feel more Attached to Okay If that makes sense Sure Like it's the same directors

[00:05:15] Overlapping on the two lists A lot The movie I just think is like The film for me That It's the film for me It's the film for me I think it's the great American movie Yeah Made by a sex obsessed Dutchman Are you sure? Yes

[00:05:30] One of his least sex obsessed films Yes Which I love about it And I want to talk about it a lot Okay But You're great I'm going to talk about Every single fucking element Of this movie No guest on this one Because we already don't have space

[00:05:44] For me to share all of my thoughts Yeah, I chased the guests away from this one I was like, no you don't want to come here You can't get far away Yeah, exactly I just I look at this movie and I'm like No objectively I think this is

[00:05:59] As good as any English language film I've ever made Sure Well I think it's definitely The second best thing Paul McCrane was ever involved with Yours number one Okay go fuck yourself I love this movie The film we're talking about today Is called Robert Cop

[00:06:13] Yep, please don't do that Robert Cop? Yes Yes Please don't do that It's Bob Cop Half man Half machine 100% Robert No it's half Half Robert Half cop Bobo cop Cops and Robbersons That's what we're discussing today That's right Chevy's back Yeah I would be down for that

[00:06:39] I know you would Robo Cops and Robbersons Robo Cop and a half Sure Robo Copland Oh Oh A serious turn That sounds like the Jurassic World type reboot Where it's like we gotta make it bigger You know It's a whole land of Robert Cops

[00:06:55] Copland is one of those movies That when it came out Everyone was like wow What a like sort of dramatic turn For Slice to Loan This sort of like you know Waity drama Yeah And now you watch You're like this is a fun movie

[00:07:07] Like I never wish Hollywood Would make more movies like this Well that's like how It falls basically That's like when I always think about this But when paper moon came out It was dismissed as like Fucking popcorn Yeah like puffery Right like puffery Now it's like art cinema

[00:07:20] Of the highest order There's another one Oh like the untouchables Is fascinating to watch in that Sense Cause when I came out everyone was like This is just like a dumb blockbuster And you watch it now and you're like Yeah right It's written by David Mammoth That's true

[00:07:34] It's kind of like The fucking Morricone score It's big set pieces No match to battleship Attempting And everyone was like This is some movie for fucking teenagers At a mall Spilled water everywhere But that's what I love about Robert Copp Is I think this is a movie

[00:07:49] And I've said this before And I'll say it a thousand times And it's why I think this movie Is like this platonic deal Of what I think Film can do as a populace medium Oh my god Is that this is a movie That works for the smartest person

[00:07:58] In the room And the dumbest person in the room Sure Sure I mean that's That's Paul Verhoeven's Double whammy Right And this is the one That synthesizes it best And I think the thing that this movie does That puts it above the other Verhoeven films Which I love

[00:08:15] I love all the films To some degree or another That we're talking about in this movie Even Holloman I haven't seen Holloman That's the one I haven't seen But you love showgirls I do Love Starship Troops Yeah Basic instinct I thought you hadn't seen that one You're right

[00:08:29] I'm sorry I forgot that You're not a huge Yeah, you're not a completist over here I'm not Hey I'm completing over here Sorry I think this movie is The most genuine affection Paul Verhoeven Has had for his characters In one of his American films

[00:08:47] I think often he uses his protagonists As sort of delivery devices To get to the larger points He wants to make Okay Or they're sort of built around Movie star personas And I think this movie has a real Humanism to it Yes That seems incompatible

[00:09:03] With everything else this film is doing I think this film is this Insane balancing act That he's able to have his cake And eat it too And make this movie that's like Balls to the wall satire Yes An action film Yes You know This sort of deconstruction of

[00:09:21] The American hero mythology Our obsession with violence Yes You know the culture at the time Our relationship technology And also just a movie about A fucking good guy trying to Remember who he is Sure You know it is the worst of all those things

[00:09:40] It's not like an amazing action movie It's like a fine action movie I think it's a really solid action movie But you also have to compare it to the action movies At the time which are very different Than the action movies were used to They are

[00:09:51] But even I would say even then I think the action in the movie Is totally fine But I don't think he's that interested Because you know The character is sort of a lumbering giant Well okay Lumber's around Okay so Well it was lumber

[00:10:03] Yes but that's a huge part of this film Everything's going to be a huge part of this film Yeah because this is the biggest movie I've ever made Sure It was pretty cheap though 10 mil 10 I thought it was a little high I thought it was like 15

[00:10:16] Okay so I'm going to tell you something crazy Oh my god What Last night I watched this movie With great pleasure How many times have you seen this movie? I couldn't count Honestly I've probably seen it Somewhere between 15 and 20 times Okay That's my guess Alright

[00:10:33] But I watch it a lot I would have guessed more honestly I mean alright Wikipedia says 13 million For the budget Okay so what I was going to tell you was I watched it last night with great pleasure And I was like Oh fuck god I love this movie

[00:10:43] How much fun this is Can't we go back to the Star Wars day Where we just talk about one movie every week Can't I just watch Robocop every week That's so crazy I've been listening back to our Star Wars episodes Because the reddit listens back to them Yeah

[00:10:58] And thank god we don't do that anymore We really struggle in some of those episodes Oh we got sweaty On a lot of those Alright Alright but I watch with pleasure I watch with pleasure I go to sleep I have wonderful dreams

[00:11:12] I have the best night's sleep I've had in years Sick weird place Thinking of my friend Robert Okay And then I wake up in the morning And the disc is still in my player right Sure And I turn on my PlayStation 4 To play a Lego city undercover And

[00:11:29] I'm like Huh You've never listened to the commentary Oh And I watched Robocop again today I watched it twice in the last 24 hours It's amazing I mean good for you I've never listened to the commentary either I have it now because I own the Blu-ray Yes

[00:11:47] And I'd like to Because I believe it's cited I've seen it cited I believe it's ported over from the criteria Yes it is from the criteria Because the commentary was recorded in 2000 They talk about George W. Bush just having been elected Wow What a great time Yes

[00:12:02] I'm nostalgic for the era of the Robocop commentary Yes But they said on it that the budget was $10 million And they went a little bit over You want to hear one of the best examples Of smart producing I've ever heard Because the commentary is him, Ed Newmeyer

[00:12:21] The screenwriter, the co-screenwriter And John Davidson who is the producer on the film Okay And they were running out of money Coming up against the end of their schedule And Verhoeven had all these big ideas Adding in the commercials All these things they wanted to shoot

[00:12:36] That they didn't have time to fit in And so what they did was They pushed the scene of Murphy's killing Off of the schedule Okay They used a couple of days they were going to need For that entire set piece

[00:12:49] To fill in all the other stuff they wanted to do So then they went back to the studio and they were like Shit we didn't This is a crucial scene You gotta give us money for that Interesting Because they were like if we shot that

[00:12:59] They would never give us more money to do the other stuff Yeah no I get it That's very cute of them It's really smart Yeah, sure So yeah they didn't say the exact amount But it was a budget of 10 went over Sure 13 is the amount I'm seeing

[00:13:13] Perfectly small amount honestly Yes For 1987 87 87, yes So Orion is a pretty substantial studio at this time But doesn't make huge budget films No They make a lot of trash They also did some high class kind of stuff Silence of the Lambs notably Dancers with wolves Yes

[00:13:34] But that was when they were starting to tiptoe into bigger and bigger budgets But they started out as kind of like a lions gaity Kind of like mini major sort of You know how many best picture winners did Orion produce Three Four How many best picture winners

[00:13:47] And I found this out today Has the Walt Disney Company produced Zero Zero That's nuts Did you have Four or five I think Mary Poppins and like Beauty and the Beast and like three Pixar movies Yeah, it was two until they expanded the field

[00:14:03] Yeah, but Orion had Amadeus Platoon Dancers with wolves And Silence of the Lambs That's crazy It's quite a pretty good run For a studio that goes bankrupt like a year after the Silence of the Lambs Yes So at this point they had won two of those Oh yeah

[00:14:19] Yeah But they do a lot of genre stuff Yes, well that's the thing They're much like Lions Gait Yes Mix of shlock and slightly more arty Yes So he had done Flesh and Blood with them He's now fully wanting to convert into the studio system

[00:14:35] As I said in our Flesh and Blood episode Disappointed at himself At the failure of Flesh and Blood said I need to move to Hollywood And ingrain myself in American culture With my wife My wife He has been chased out of the Netherlands

[00:14:50] They said you are too cuckoo for these cocoa puffs You're not getting any government funding For your silly movies So he goes to Hollywood and says I need to King Louis style Figure out how to walk like them, talk like them Who are you? Oh that King Louis

[00:15:06] Yes Not the king of the French Right But so he starts observing American culture from this Almost like anthropological level And American films And really studying the rhythms to try to figure out How to connect with the American populace

[00:15:21] He's just going to talk for the whole episode guys Go on This is my dissertation This episode is my dissertation They're sending him a lot of scripts Yes He reads a script He throws it in the trash It's called Robocop The Future of Law Enforcement

[00:15:35] He says he reads half a page Is it the Numair Minor combined script Or is it like some earlier version of this script No it's the combined script Because I believe the genesis was that One of them had written a script about like Robo drones in the future

[00:15:51] And one of them had written a script about like A cop who gets a machine in his body And they were like It was pretty much what they shot No yeah With some on the flight changes They had already decided to combine their ideas

[00:16:03] This was the movie existing in pretty much the form We know today He read like half a page Probably just like the table setting He says garbage Give me a shagarna crap Blinch in a bong Oh god He took a little skin flick out of a box

[00:16:21] And put it on his top Yeah I love gold Unfortunate smelting action He's got a gold member Yeah exactly we get it right I was about to say smelting accent too Which is funny that both of us thought of that

[00:16:34] Considering that's not a notable quote from that movie Oh really? Me and my cousin Smelting as a term always jumped out to me Right but me and my cousin used to Just say that to each other all the time For some reason one summer

[00:16:44] See I used to say that too This is why we're friends Unfortunate smelting Unfortunate yes He throws it onto the floor Into the rubbish right Yeah the gold member Right Punk Right But he was just getting all these All these scraps And his wife His wife of 50 years

[00:17:02] She you know She dishes it out Cleaning up Yes And she reads it and she goes Paul you fucking idiot No she swipes the coffee grounds off of it David for the list of moments Wiping coffee grounds off of it Right then Paul slips on the banana field

[00:17:16] Ah smelting I don't know She reads the script And says are you a fucking idiot You think she says literally are you a fucking idiot On the commentary he makes it sound like She was that dismissive and angry at him Said like Paul you idiot

[00:17:31] Did you read this thing And he was like no it's called Robocop I hate Robocop Right And she was like there's a lot going on in the script Which country is sick This is a smart screenplay written by Caney people There are layers to this

[00:17:44] But also this screenplay concerns All of your main thematic interests This is very much a Jesus story And this is very much a Frankenstein's Monster tale It's a real Frankenstein movie That's what I really think of it as Right but the Jesus stuff was already in there

[00:17:57] No I get you And Verhoeven reads it And he goes this isn't just a Jesus story In his own words Verhoeven says This is the American Jesus This is the American equivalent of Jesus Right The figure we've needed within the American mythology Who died for our sins Great

[00:18:13] And at the end rises and Walks on water Sure Good call A very very deliberate choice Okay So he goes they give him the ten million dollar budget He starts obsessively watching American action films And by his own admission He was terrified going into this movie

[00:18:31] Because he felt he did not understand American culture There's an anecdote he tells That's hilarious Where when he was like doing meetings With the executives and going over script things He said you know page 36 There's this moment where our character says Are you okay brother

[00:18:47] Where in the script is it previously established That they are siblings Uh huh Like he didn't get any of it Sure But I think that's a key to this movie Is that like when we were talking Our Detroit episode right About like I know that was different

[00:19:04] Because it was within a political sphere What's your point Who is the right to tell what story Is right And Jorah was saying like I don't think you need to have lived through something To make that movie But you have to know what you don't know

[00:19:13] In a sense Yeah You know like someone like Sean Baker Doesn't know the people he's making the films about But he learns He meets them He listens to them This is quite a tangent about Robocop Uh huh Verhoeven was doing that with America Yeah okay

[00:19:28] Right which means he didn't take anything for granted Going into this movie And everything element in it is so deliberate And sort of field tested through his sense Of trying to understand What this culture is Okay They hire Peter Weller Who do they want first Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:19:42] And then That's who the studio wants Studio wants Arnold Schwarzenegger Who does Verpaul want Rucker Hauer Rucker Hauer Yeah But you know what the problem with them is Not getting along these days No I mean that's actually not what I read But maybe

[00:19:55] But it's just they were too big Well I know that with Arnold I think Rucker Hauer's huge Really? Yeah like I think it was just like They're too large Like they're too bulky You got Amanda Dong Maybe Maybe But does Arnie? No No actually Pointedly no

[00:20:11] Like he says Have you ever seen those nude modeling pictures From like the pumping iron Yeah it doesn't I mean possibly It doesn't stick in the memory He's got like a D-Schlang But like nothing right home of them Um but they were just like they could not

[00:20:23] But like very much not The Schwarzenegger of penises If that makes sense Sure sure Yes it does His penis is shorter than his name You could write his name on a grain of rice I mean yeah with the proper situation Okay but comparatively

[00:20:37] The grain of rice he draws Penis on would be smaller Great How are we doing Ben? Are you deleting the episode yet? No no it's great How are we doing producer Ben? Yeah no good How are you doing Ben? Are you going to restart my computer

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[00:21:16] Sonia said that in hurt locker when she was disappointed at Ben She said Ben you're supposed to have my side here You're the voice of reason True I think it's a little bit my job But maybe we're Okay get over yourself Got him Got him

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[00:22:10] Like they couldn't decide on what it was Way to prove our point Also I feel like they're treating us like we're the DNC And like Osama Ben Hosley was like Bernie Sanders And we suppressed the people's choice And they're right And they're right but for a reason Exactly

[00:22:28] Ben didn't want to I don't want to be synonymous with this horrible terrorist figure I mean it's just not a funny joke But did you hear about how he like Bernie or Ben Laden Which one are you talking about Oh come on

[00:22:40] Did you hear about how he liked like Final Fantasy 7 or what I can't remember I saw he liked all these weird like Like 16 bit like sexy bombs That's weird right Did you see that No He liked like Like Ascii porn No but like 16 bit like pixelated like

[00:22:55] Leisure suit Larry style like when people made like Ascii was an older guy Sexy poker for like the Commodore or whatever Seriously That's what it was Alright You should look up the artworks Sounds pretty good This is my friend used to make fun of me because

[00:23:16] We were when I was in high school Someone mentioned they were reading some history book And they were like Apparently Hitler was a major lover of cinnamon He used to have like a huge library And he would watch one movie a day Like at the absolute minimum

[00:23:29] And I was like Huh And they were like What's like in here Because I sort of gave him like a content Like oh wow that's really cool Apparently Hitler was very active on letterbox Alright Jesus we're off the rails This is a later episode recording for us

[00:23:48] It is this is a real after dark episode The sun has set This is a blank check after dark A BCAD if you will Yeah but CAD Schwartz and nigger Yeah Schwartz and the studio wanted Yeah and Rucky Right They're too big

[00:24:04] They designed this suit that they couldn't move around in Well they didn't even have the suit that established at this point But what they knew was The suit was going to add bulk to whoever it was Sure So they said

[00:24:13] If we put a big guy in the suit He's going to look like the safehub marshmallow man If we find a really live guy Right A guy who looks about as far away from an action hero as we can We can make his proportions just right

[00:24:25] To build the mass on top of him So they said the two things they were looking for were A real solid actor They said they were really worried because They thought no one would want to take the job It's a tough job Most of your face is covered

[00:24:37] It's kind of thankless It's difficult For a lot of the film you're suppressing emotions Yeah But Peter Wheeler Read the script and got it He saw what the arc was He saw what he could do with it And the other thing was Dude has a great fucking mouth

[00:24:50] Incredible jaw Right Just an insanely good jaw And they knew that They said we need someone who has that right sliver Underneath their nose between their chin Did they make him read for the part I hope so Just with like this part of his face covered

[00:25:03] That would be so funny He hadn't been in that many movies Had Bucker Banzai already happened Yeah, that's 84 And that was Orion as well Which he's astonishingly good in And I love that movie But he's a very cerebral kind of leading man in it

[00:25:15] Is not the kind of guy you would place into this sort of film Apart from that I don't know much about his earlier like Movies Firstborn, Killing Affair These are not movies I'm like that familiar with I'm gonna fuck this up as well Unknown Origin

[00:25:29] But also in the commentary I think Ed Neumeier refers to his Absurd pathos Sure There's something about him that looks very sad And he's got this sort of like His voice is a little like Well his voice is really special Right But there is an innate sort of

[00:25:49] He's got a bit of like an American Liam Neeson thing Where there's just a sense of longing to him Which Bucker Banzai really runs with That works really well for this movie You know, apart from Naked Lunch I feel like he is underserved And Bucker Banzai by Sinema

[00:26:05] It's not like he's had enough great roles He has He was a villain on 24 Which he was good on He was always good He was the villain in Star Trek Into Darkness Which he's totally wasted in He's fine in it It is bizarre though

[00:26:16] For a guy who gave Three great leading performances In three very revered movies Of three different kinds That it never really happened again That he never went into a kind of Cool older character actor phase Not really Maybe he's He's mostly like an Italian

[00:26:33] Architecture art history professor now Seriously I know, I know He also directs TV He directs a lot of TV And you know Yeah, you're right He has a PhD in Italian Renaissance art history Thank you I wasn't denying it I was just laughing at the

[00:26:51] He's apparently a great teacher Yeah, cool Go to RateMyTeacher.com Look up Robert Kopp Anyway, they cast Peter Weller And Peter Weller takes to it And he goes I want him fucking make this work I have like a real serious background You know As an actor

[00:27:08] I come out of theater I did extensive training I understand what the limitations Of those roles are And I want to make it sing So he buys himself All sorts of rugby Equipment, padding Heavy outfits Goes to the park every day And practices walking around

[00:27:23] In physically encumbered ways Right? They hire a company to design the suit They aren't happy with the suit So they throw Suit comes late Right They throw a flyer out to Rob Boutin Who comes up with this fucking Incredible suit under short notice It is incredible

[00:27:37] And the design of the helmet Especially is amazing Perfect, perfect, perfect It's like the exact perfect level Of design Yeah It's just detailed enough It's got just enough going on While still being very clean Very iconic, very elemental Right? I really agree So they bring this suit

[00:27:53] And they filmed a couple weeks I think two weeks without Weller in the suit Either stuff with other characters Sure Some of the Murphy stuff Although there isn't much of it At the beginning of the film Which is one of the things I like about it

[00:28:07] So it's two weeks in When they actually put him On the suit in the first day They haven't come in at Like four o'clock in the morning In order to start getting into the suit Which I think they said Was it gonna take eleven hours?

[00:28:19] Wait, it takes him eleven hours every day? The first day Okay The first day, eleven hours They put him in the thing And he can't move He cannot move Yeah, this I know That he was all like Again, it wasn't his expectation at all

[00:28:35] And he was freaking the fuck out And he said, I can't do this I can't do this for months What the fuck is gonna happen Right, right, right And they flipped out He wanted to quit He wanted to shut down the movie And he reaches out to his

[00:28:47] College His movement teacher His mime coach Yes Whose name is Nomi Something, I think I can probably find her I think it's a man But I might be wrong about that Mouni Yaqim The head of the movement department At Juilliard Thank you He was a Juilliard dude Right

[00:29:08] They had envisioned Robocop Moving like a snake Very smooth But instead they slowed it down Into this sort of clunky Frankensteiny kind of way Because what Mouni said is Look, you're not gonna have that agility You're not gonna have that fluidity that you planned

[00:29:22] What you need to do is make the most of what you have And the thing you can do that's really powerful Is to make every move as deliberate as possible Every single movement has to happen One piece at a time So because of that

[00:29:33] They established the whole Robocop look Which is not planned Which is an accident Which is the key to this fucking movie And ties into what you're saying about it Not being as much of an action movie As the other things Because you have an action movie

[00:29:45] Starting a guy with the same level of agility As present-day Liam Neeson Who's big and lumbering and rickety And doesn't move around space as well So it becomes kind of like He's an action hero in this sort of western way Where it's about him standing one spot

[00:29:59] Where he aims his gun It's about the intimidation More than anything else It's about the intimidation But obviously also This is not a movie where action Is like a direct line to a good consequence A Robocop He'd rather not act He'd rather just hand out parking tickets

[00:30:16] Well, okay No, I more means like they deploy Robocop And he leaves chaos Basically wherever he is deployed He smashes things up And things blow up And causes extensive property damage Right, the action sequences don't have that much tension There's no stakes except when

[00:30:32] The cops are all fighting him Because yeah, he just sort of stands there He's sort of Superman-esque Yes But, you know, slow Until we find his kryptonite Which is D4 baby Uh-huh Also or just shooting like a hundred guns at him Also known as D4 Okay So Roboto

[00:30:54] Corporate America's gun, Directive 4 Yeah, so they make this movie Yes Filmed from August to October 1986 In Dallas, Texas I was a young boy I was an infant I was not born yet Yes I was waiting I did not want to live in a pre-Robocop world

[00:31:11] So I said, keep me in the oven for a couple more years Then I'll come out Yeah, you had an unusual three-year gestation My mom was pregnant for three And for that I am sorry Truly sorry Um They filmed it in Dallas Mostly in Dallas Boiling hot

[00:31:28] Um, yes, they also filmed from the mill stuff Is in Pennsylvania Yes, Pittsburgh Yeah, I think so And they said they're a little, little tiny bit in Long Beach But it was mostly shot in location They didn't have the money for sets

[00:31:39] The precinct I think is mostly a high school Uh, interesting Which I imagine going to that fucking high school Ugh Be the coolest The steel mill is Pittsburgh though All of that stuff Uh, yeah And then the couple of soundstage stuff Uh, but um

[00:31:57] You know Ed Numer said like The pressure was always do we have the courage To stick with Robocop as a title Uh Because when you say it People think it sounds dumb Really? And people write off the movie as Oh, it's some like genre, can and exploitation junk

[00:32:10] Right? But we knew what we were making Right And we said if we can make it through With the film still called Robocop And stick to our guns Once people have seen it They'll love it It is a real B-movie title Right Uh, and the movie comes out

[00:32:22] And is a surprise hit We'll get to that Surprisingly well received Has only grown in critical circles since then Nominated for several Academy Awards Which was very unexpected Yeah, although not for best makeup Which drives me fucking nuts Yeah, that's insane He was nominated for three Oscars

[00:32:41] But not for visual effects or uh Makeup And visual effects you know whatever I'm not sure Stop motion stuff in this movie It's very cool But that's back there were only two nominees That's back when I think it was like a juried award

[00:32:54] What the fuck was nominated for makeup this year There are two nominees The winner was Harry and the Henderson Oh, go fuck yourself It's Rick Baker I know, but go fuck yourself Harry and the Henderson Okay, and what's the other nominee? Because according to science Bigfoot doesn't exist

[00:33:09] Yeah, I know But when you believe your eyes Uh, trust your heart I don't know, I was trying to read that And what lost that year? I like only two nominees means that There's literally just a winner and the loser Happy New Year What the fuck?

[00:33:24] The John G. Avelson movie Where like, uh, it has like a lot of old age makeup and shit Like it's got like Charles Dernig and like crazy Like waxy old age makeup Well I like Charlie Dernig So but isn't that weird? That's the same Like Joanna was marveling

[00:33:39] Like you know the scenes where he's His head is off His mask is off I think that's the most emotionally charged moment Of the entire film because of how good And striking that image How did they pull that off? I will tell you when we get to it

[00:33:51] Yeah, fucking hell, what do I even ask Okay, so how does this movie start? The way all good movies start With giant letters that say Robocop That's how Citizen Kane starts, right? Robocop The best way to start a movie And then if you pan over Xanadu

[00:34:07] A helicopter shot of Detroit skyline And then pshhh Dun dun dun Yeah, now I'm going to guess you like the music in this movie Uh, my boy Say his name Basil Polodorus Very nice score Hot off the flesh and blood Sure

[00:34:22] And Verhoeven said he worked really fucking hard on the score They were working on the score before they started filming Because he knew he needed a real fucking rousing theme And he didn't want to sound He was the Conan guy Yes He did the Conan music

[00:34:34] But he didn't want an action movie score The thing he kept on saying Basil Polodorus is Make it sound like Lawrence of Arabia Sure, right I want a sweeping emotional epic I want a sweeping emotional epic I want a good propulsive heroic theme

[00:34:46] That I can repurpose for more emotional scenes For tensor scenes But I want a classical sounding score This episode is going to be four hours long Which this movie has We're literally just on the opening title Fucks sake He's running wild Dun dun dun

[00:35:04] And now Griffin will perform the opening theme Robocop Here we are His name is Robocop No, it was not inviting whatever this is Robocop That was his name Changes to Robocop Robocop Numayr said The trend with these movies at the time

[00:35:27] Was you always started with a big action set piece You wanted the immediate stakes of The first attack Here's the hero's entrance Whatever it is, right You always start with a first mission This movie goes from awesome musical stink Fucking big silver letters Robocop To a news broadcast

[00:35:44] Which already Which I love this shit Love this shit But this shows you this movie is just like Not fucking around It has no interest Despite how much Verhoeven was studying American action films In playing by the exact rules of whatever else is doing

[00:35:59] It states its intention right up front And it's also this brilliant way to fucking A get exposition out in a world building way To establish the rules without having to do Inner titles of like The year is 2049 Blade runners Doesn't do that shit You know But also

[00:36:16] There is an element of show don't tell In that the news broadcasts are so stylized The way they talk about what they're talking about Tells you so much about the state of the world Love it The shit they're saying I always forget that it's really Lisa Gibbons

[00:36:30] Which is amazing because if it wasn't her It would have been someone doing an impression of her Right But you just get a couple new stories You get a state of how dire things are This weird disconnect with how performative The media is

[00:36:43] You know even more so than today Right Then all laughing and smiling and sort of like 15-hour debt Yep Yep And then they immediately cut to an ad Every time something crazy They say something crazy The Yamaha Sports Heart Which is amazing The Roboheart And then we get

[00:37:00] So now Like you're watching the movie You're a 12 year old boy One ticket for RoboCop please I want the movie about the RoboCop Right And then you sit down And the director starts giving you a news broadcast And then it goes We'll be right back after these commercials

[00:37:14] And then you're watching a commercial Like it's committing so hard to this fake broadcast thing And then you come back And they give you the basic deal Looming threats Of a police strike Yes Cops are dying on the force every day They're becoming distant franchise

[00:37:29] Crime is on the rampant rise Old Detroit has a cancer The cancer is crime Yep And Omni-Consumer products OCP Is very involved with Has been contracted And you know They bought the police Essentially Right To run the police Right It's capitalism run wild Sure

[00:37:49] And their big plan is to essentially just kind of Get rid of Detroit Build this new Delta city They want to build Delta city over Detroit They want Detroit to be a write off right They want to hyper gentrify, yes Ben And when she say that

[00:38:02] During the filming of this This era of America This is the crack epidemic This is really when This is the middle of the Reagan era Crime is really rampant The presentation all smiles We're on drugs Yep Yep Yep Yep And also you know What's the Reagan line fuck

[00:38:21] You know Worst thing about Governor What the hell I'll look it up I find that interesting I think this film is in a really interesting dialogue With the time it was made in But I also think there are so many different points

[00:38:32] Baked into the cake of this film And the points it gets out About the American psyche Are so timeless They're not connected to any one administration Because they're tied to like The mortal sins of our being That this film always Finds some purchase

[00:38:48] The mortal sins of our being I'm fucking going there baby Robocops the American Jesus He died for our sins He's walking on water This is very tied to the 80s Dead or alive you're coming with me In this present crisis Government is not the solution To our problem

[00:39:01] Government is the problem That's the famous Reagan I'm inauguration Old detrails of cancer and cancer crime So Yeah a lot of the early stuff Is at OCP Yeah you know me But he's out of control It's great Yes thank you I'm gonna be here all day Day

[00:39:23] You mean night Start a day and a night Start a night and a real Late night I don't know That's after dark baby We're starting at like You know Fucking Leno and we're gonna end it daily I got it Last call Yeah Alright go on

[00:39:42] It's like we're starting at Madhau We're ending at the liar Brian Williams the 11th hour Can we just all agree on one thing Yeah sure Old detrails of cancer the cancer is crime So we're intercutting between The cops I guess and OCP Right in these early scenes

[00:40:03] So we have the old man the head of the board that's his only name That's his only name and he's in at least RoboCop2 right So do you know this Yeah gotta say more I've never seen RoboCop2 or 3 Uh okay sure Never

[00:40:17] Now I'm a completist with shit as you know I know of you complaining about how RoboCop2 Like resets RoboCop I have tried watching RoboCop2 a number of times I never make it past the 15 minutes because The reset bums me out so much I've never seen 3

[00:40:32] 3 doesn't even have Weller in it I know 3 which the Sam Decker I believe is the Fred Decker Who's the monster squad guy And 2 is Irvin Kirschner I know it's his last movie I believe I think that's right And 2 I think is basically just RoboCop again

[00:40:48] You know it's like very similar Whereas 3 is like rated PG-13 And I think is and obviously Weller's not in it so it's like really It's a lot cartoonier It's more aimed at kids And it's interesting I read an interview with Decker

[00:41:01] When I was poking around about for this podcast Where he was like you know people say We didn't have the budget Or the studio was controlling me And that's why it's bad No, it's my fault Yeah Like he's pretty unboy you know

[00:41:12] The guy who made the movie I wanted to make And it was bad And that killed his career Yeah But what was the thing I was going to say Oh Frank Miller who is a big fan of the original RoboCop2 He wrote both sequels

[00:41:23] Well so he wrote a script for RoboCop2 And they pulled it apart And used about half of his script And then for RoboCop3 They repurposed the other half They got two scripts out of him And he was always angry Which is what a surprise

[00:41:33] Frank Miller angry at the world Yeah well the other thing though Is like he used to have the It was like the legendary RoboCop sequel script That Frank Miller wrote that was so good And then he published it as a comic book It was fucking terrible

[00:41:44] And it was like fuck you Frank Miller Oh yeah you always sucked He didn't always suck But you suck for a long time But I read that published book It is bad Very bad It's like what if RoboCop was What's good RoboCop the movie Robert Cop

[00:42:00] The old man Dan O'Hurley Who's the sort of kind grandfatherly figure At the head of the table Yeah but even he's pretty fucked up Well that's what I like about it Yeah exactly Okay but they treat him like he's this nice Hey the old man is a

[00:42:12] Right no but he's a He's a monster But the real dickhead is Dick Jones Played by Ronnie Cox And a career changing performance Because this sets him on the villain path He was a sweet kind of grandfatherly man I think of Bound for Glory

[00:42:26] Yeah he's great in that He's in Beverly Hills Cop obviously What else is he in He's in Deliverance He's the sort of nerdy one with glasses Who eats it on the falls He's the first to go Yeah he's the first to go

[00:42:39] He doesn't even get to see the rape Or does he No he was lucky Yeah exactly But then he does total recall after this And he becomes a villain guy Yeah he becomes a classic 80s villain I think And he's Jellico in Star Trek The Next Generation

[00:42:54] Which is a great character Who's also villainous Ish They're trying to figure out how to deal with this cop problem And justify the means kind of guy Yes Dick Jones has a big initiative But this is all being given to us in like one minute

[00:43:08] Because there's the elevator ride Where they're like yeah he's got the plan And we had the backup plan You know where they just sort of like make that really clear really fast Right because we also have Morton Miguel Ferrer Yes Who's kind of nipping at Dick Jones' heels

[00:43:23] A little bit Right this is the rat race And they're all trying to get up at top Sitting on the old man's lap right Right And Dick Jones has this big move Ed 209 It's a weird chicken robot Yes it's a little chicken walker With little gun T-Rex arms

[00:43:41] It looks fucking rad Beautiful stop motion from Phil Tippett I would say it's very cool stop motion yes Yeah and then once it stops moving It's a real fucking full sized build thing Which you can tell it has viscerality even when it's not moving

[00:43:54] Sure when it's moving around it looks really cute By our today standards but I do like it But I also like they animate it in a cute way They make him like a baby who doesn't know what he's doing Yeah well it's I love this movie

[00:44:07] It is weird The greatest movie ever made Yeah it is weird that it's like that's their first idea And RoboCop is their second idea Because the chicken robot can't even climb the stairs You know it's like Dick Jones is an asshole I know

[00:44:20] He doesn't know what he's fucking doing No I mean his plan as he basically says Corporate negligence run amok Is like who cares if it doesn't work or kills people Right We already sold the contract That's Fucking care Thank you But in this public demonstration Yes

[00:44:35] And this is when So when did you We were talking off Mike You know when did you first see this movie? I watched this movie when I was very young I used to watch the over cup cartoon show Yes I watched that too

[00:44:43] There was an Alvin and the Chipmunks RoboCop parody that I loved Do you remember No I don't remember that The eighth and final season Of the Alvin and the Chipmunks cartoon show in the 80s Was rebranded as Chipmunks go to the movies

[00:44:56] And every episode was a full length parody Of a popular movie from the time So they did like Batman Honey I monk the kids I swear to God these are what they're fucking called Yeah I know I believe you And there was a Robo Monk one

[00:45:08] That was a pretty straight retelling of RoboCop But without the violence Right Instead of guns they used bubblegum And it was him in one of the Chipettes And he becomes Robo Monk right And I loved that So I had this like appreciation of RoboCop From afar

[00:45:25] And I remember sneaking it Watching on my little Rabbity or TV Sunday morning WB11 A heavily edited version When I was probably ten years old Okay And then when I was in high school I saw it on like cable in full I had these distant memories of it

[00:45:40] My friend Collin was like obsessed With RoboCop Was talking about it all the time I was like I gotta fucking rewatch that Watched it and was like Oh this is the best movie I've ever made And that launched my like RoboCop obsession

[00:45:50] That's been going on for almost 15 years now But it's just with this movie to be clear You never watch the sequels I watched the cartoon show when I was on I never watched the live-action show I didn't watch the sequels Did you watch the remake? I did

[00:46:01] What'd you think of the remake? I hate it Okay, I've never seen that It's, that's the one I'm usually pretty like Look, you remake stuff It doesn't ruin the original That's the one where I get Really fucking angry about it It doesn't ruin anything

[00:46:11] But I get like physically enraged There are a couple good things in it How do you feel about like If you got like your criterion All set up and then there's a steelbook Do not Alright Can I tell you something? I don't know I need to admit this

[00:46:26] I don't know if you can tell me something at this point I need to admit this Because this has been weighing really heavily on me I went on my infamous anti-steelbook tie-rape Yeah, you fucking I broke the internet, right? You know

[00:46:38] You broke, yeah, that's when you broke the internet International headlines What's a steelbook? Who fucking cares? A steelbook is a limited I'll show you It's like a collectible form of DVD or bluer packaging That's like literally a steelbook That the disc isn't

[00:46:55] You know, it's got this kind of Hey look, there's your favorite movie In steelbook form Nice Wreck-It Ralph Love Wreck-It Ralph Ben just said Wreck-It Ralph He fucking loved it Big I cried a lot I cried too at Wreck-It Ralph That's a wonderful movie

[00:47:07] What Ben texted the other night About King Candy And he's texted us at about 3 a.m. We're only like our fifth tangent He's sad And he sucks Letter N, he sucks But don't let him trick you He'd call you a glitch in a heartbeat

[00:47:27] I woke up at whatever time I wake up 7.30 in the morning basically Hummelbrad And my phone had like 18 text notifications It was you guys talking about Wreck-It Ralph It's 4 in the fucking morning I knew that Griff was going to be up

[00:47:41] And I needed to tell somebody about my explosion It's all good I missed it He knew I was awake and he knew there was a 25% chance I was watching Wreck-It Ralph Alright, okay I was just going to say

[00:47:53] Are you still on some tangent that you have to wrap up? Oh yes Steel books Jesus Christ Since that episode where I went on my steel books I bought like 7 steel books I've been buying a lot of steel books lately What steel books?

[00:48:06] I got Fade of the Furious And a nice new steel book Jesus, I will never own that movie Well I have them all And I need them all lined up on my shelf With some less spines because I had the rest

[00:48:17] Of the Fast and Furious franchise and steel book Except for 5 Because the 5, 1 was hard to find Or the 7 7 was limited Finally found the 7 I got Nice Spend Space Friends Vol. 2 on steel book I got Starship Troopers on steel book Interesting I bought that on 4K Ultra or whatever

[00:48:35] My friend, I bought it on 4K steel book Well You always got to have bigger balls than me It's a steel book with Nazi style propaganda art Jesus It's great Nice Spend Space Friends Vol. 2 I bought Wonder Woman on steel book

[00:48:52] I think I got one more than I'm forgetting now I find a lot of steel books Great My point my friend My point way back 10 minutes ago was When I'm first watching this movie I would guess I can't remember exactly but we are 14, 15 years old

[00:49:06] And I'm sure I'm watching it on Your premium Sure No actually it was probably in Britain so it was just a channel But there's no editing for violence It was cut down Certainly in the States for violence It was Radex originally cut down

[00:49:21] And since then the original cuts kind of been phased out With the director's cut which is the X-rated cut It's only a difference about a minute or two It's just the extremity of the violence To be clear the X-rated cut was never released

[00:49:32] That was just the original rating They were 11 appeals before it got an R Because this movie is crazy violent When the ED 209 lights up the poor guy Paul Ahmed Yup And like 4 billion squibs explode And he spurts blood everywhere This guy was on I was there too recently

[00:49:50] And he holds the record for the most squibed actor of all time It's insane how bloody his death is What's the number? He couldn't remember He said it took two days to film his shooting Oh my god Not two days to film the board room

[00:50:03] Two days to film just the amount of angles The amount of squibs and the amount of time it would take to reset Right of course that's the real problem You have to clean so much shit up and he has to change

[00:50:12] But this is like a psycho shower scene number of cuts Within this like they cut so many times for the squibs That moment is when the movie is first like This is how viscerally violent this movie is going to be Like in a shocking way

[00:50:25] And this is where Hovind's whole thing is like The violence is cartoonish but I'm going to push it so far That it affects you on a visceral level and upsets you And you can't just write it off as like Exactly

[00:50:34] Which is something he does again in Starship Troopers Yes Especially and which I love Love it But when I'm 15 I think I'm like pretty freaked out Yeah Or when I'm watching this with Joanna the other night

[00:50:46] She's like whoa like you know it always sort of takes you back The first time Right And when you're young and you're watching it You're like this movie is so corny and over the top Because the responses afterwards are so bizarre Yeah If you have a critical mind

[00:51:01] You understand immediately what he's angling at Someone call a goddamn paramedic is a hilarious line Amazing And then Dick I'm very disappointed I love that line So that is the ED209 fucking up So Miguel Ferrer Who is Oscar worthy in this movie So fucking good

[00:51:19] Absolutely the perfect 80s boardroom guy He won bad motherfucker I love Miguel Ferrer all the time I did too Who doesn't love Miguel Ferrer RIP truly tragic loss But in this movie he's just incredible He's spot on

[00:51:35] It's one of those things where you almost think he's in the entire movie Like every time I always forget he kind of dies like halfway through the movie Well and here's this other interesting thing There's this whole chunk of the movie Where Robocop stops being a protagonist

[00:51:48] Yeah he's not really in the movie Because he's unknowable And it sort of becomes Bob Morton's movie for like 25 minutes And then it shifts back to Robocop Which I think is a really ballsy move this movie makes Which is like it de-centers you

[00:52:00] In terms of what narrative you're following Well not just that you're rooting for him Yes Because you don't like Ronnie Cox He sucks You do kind of like Miguel Ferrer And he brought us Robocop He's our friend He brought a good guy with him And yet of course

[00:52:13] If Ronnie Cox succeeded we'd be watching an ED209 movie We threw the dialogue Kind of figure out that like not only Do they have this crazy Frankenstein plot But that they like transfer Peter Weller You know what's his name? Murphy Yeah To this new precinct

[00:52:30] Because they like he's a prime candidate for Robocop They want him to die He's such a good decent guy Yeah exactly But he also has like the right mental and physical Is such a hero cop that they know he will sacrifice himself For the name of justice

[00:52:45] They're putting him in the line of fire Okay so now we come to our friends Clarence, Boddiger and the gang I guess we should mention Murphy shows up Transferred in Yeah Robert DeKee A fucking phenomenal character Love him He died a couple years ago He's the sergeant

[00:53:02] Also in Nashville Rules in Nashville Rules in this Yes Sergeant Reed who I fucking love Because this is a character that like could just be the gruff Yeah sure Like a badge on my table But they give him a little more

[00:53:14] I also love that scene where they're clearing out that guy's locker And you know they sort of sadly slide his name off of it And he's like I don't want anyone to talk about striking Well because he walks in I could analyze every single millisecond of this movie

[00:53:27] But first of all we're in a gender neutral locker room Yeah This is this weird kind of like passively Which he'll do again in Starship Troopers Right which he said he felt like it didn't register in Starship Troopers In Rubble Cups when he wanted

[00:53:39] It registers in Starship Troopers But that's what's amazing is he was like I had this whole idea that it's post sexual And there's no discrepancy between the genders And they can be in the room together naked But I felt like audiences didn't get it

[00:53:50] So I did it again in Starship Troopers And I made sure they got it I really made sure they got it Love Starship Troopers In Starship Troopers it's so over cooked In this it's beautiful just how off handed it Yeah and yeah

[00:54:01] I mean the Nancy Allen character in general You know we first see her beating up a perp Yes Pretty brutally and you know It's pretty casual about how yeah Everyone's together She holds her own And it's a thing I love about this movie

[00:54:18] This is one of the only Do you like this movie? Rubble Cop? Yeah Rubber Cop Yeah Rubber Cop yes I do Okay A thing I love about this movie This is like one of the only films Certainly like genre films like this

[00:54:33] I've ever seen where it never becomes romantic Between the lead male and the lead female Sure yeah I'm not really looking for romance there That's for sure No but so often Yes you're right Then in the last act it happens And you're like just letting something

[00:54:45] Well especially in like your 80s Genre movies for sure yes Right And then something like Beverly Hills Cop Where they don't end up together And you're like oh that's kind of cool It only happened because the studio was racist Truly Yeah no I know

[00:54:59] They cast a white actress because they thought it was going to be so lonely I know I know But this movie by design they said A Rubber Cop it's Paradise Lost Like once he becomes Rubber Cop He doesn't really have much of like a body

[00:55:13] And he's not going to move on You know And you don't want to see him become sexual And so it becomes a film about mutual respect Between these two good cops Sure Which I love Alright Good movie So we've been introduced to Murphy Transferring into this hell precinct

[00:55:29] Right and he's got just A real cool calm demeanor No confidence No arrogance No arrogance Very calm He does like to drive Yes That's his one kind of swing dick move And his other swing dick move is the TJ laser I was about to get to that

[00:55:45] But then she sort of big foots him on that the second time around Which I like But yes and he's doing this thing where he's twirling The gun like a western guy My kid watches the show He watches TJ laser TJ laser

[00:55:55] Lewis is true in gun which I think is where Robo Monk got the inspiration Sure Blown some bubbles Great And they go to investigate this Badeker Yeah High speed pursuit Not even investigate it's just there's a high speed pursuit and they're put on it Right

[00:56:13] And Badeker is played by the great Kurt Witt Smith Yeah In both cases he's casting these villains who are totally against type Yes I love that Badeker looks like a weird little treasury agent Like he looks like a nerd Yes So What is Kurt Witt Smith's life

[00:56:28] Before this This time yeah cause we all think of him as red Right That's the big thing Which Talk about Eric's dad Yes But the fact that he became Eric's dad only helps this movie Like it helps his performance Like why is Eric's dad this evil

[00:56:42] He's barely been in anything This is his first big role They say on the commentary that he improvised a large percentage of his dialogue He was a stay-backer Like all the iconic lines are him They said they would just let him go And like the tiger is playing

[00:56:56] Two night guns guns guns Can you fly Bobby All that shit's improvised Right New Meyer said he wrote a lot of kind of like stock Overwritten bad guy intimidation Yeah right He knew he wanted Badeker to be against type Right

[00:57:08] He liked the idea of him being a sort of pencil pusher White collar looking dude who had this menace in him Which I think is this really interesting take on this sort of banality of evil

[00:57:18] You know not just oh it's all these boardroom guys to the real villains Banality of evil is strong But yes sure the universality I guess or whatever It could be anyone That he just looks like some fucking dude And then he isn't Well right but I can say

[00:57:29] Banality of evil to me which is like Hannah Rentsterm That means more like your Eichmann types who Like don't think of themselves as evil but do evil things Okay Like you know it's like the pencil pusher It's behind I would say the aesthetic banality of evil

[00:57:45] Okay fine sure Yeah yeah yeah cause he is to be clear a total crazy person And he loves being bad Yes And he's bad to the bone He's real crazy And Verhoeven said he picked those glasses because he wanted him to look like him lured Yes yes

[00:57:59] And New Meyer on this contract record 15 years later is like Wait really I just thought they looked nerdy And he was like no I wanted you to look like a Nazi Jesus Oh god so I guess he is going for the banality of evil Right thank you

[00:58:13] Don't shriek No I mean Yeah I think the quote unquote design of pedicure is perfect Well and that Currid Smith doesn't feel any need to play against his appearance What's scary about him is that You're like why is this guy so fucking confident

[00:58:34] Yeah yeah he looks like a math teacher And I mean the whole gang is pretty crazy Paul McCrane, Ray Wise Paul McCrane who is not another bald man They've got two baldies He's at a terrible state of balding in this film A crazy state of balding

[00:58:49] And then they give him this weird gelled part But there's like this sort of like furry area It's not even hair but it's sort of a design He's got a tough but they're doing a lot with the tough And then his weird matrix beard Yeah he's short and

[00:59:05] He's a ginger Yeah he's just got, I love Paul McCrane to be clear I do too Love him A meal So you got him and what is he like five six and you know one twenty Like he just Yeah Why would he be intimidating He's griff size

[00:59:18] You got Ray Wise who's awesome Rolls Love him He's great But even he kind of looks like a club promoter Like he doesn't really look like a violent gangster Well it's even like you like think about him in like Twin Peaks

[00:59:30] And it's like okay he's like kind of unnerving in Twin Peaks But it's also just like because he's like the dad Like he's the kind of like intense You know what I'm saying Yeah he's so special Ray Wise in general I mean he is the devil

[00:59:42] I think that's the clearest way to put it right He just kind of looks like the devil And then of course they made him the devil Or whatever he was in fucking Reaper But he's the devil in the body of your girlfriend's father Right

[00:59:53] Like that's what's scary about him is you're just This guy's judging me so much I love your daughter, I have the best intentions And then you got Truly unhinged His work on Tim and Eric is some of the best Yeah, very good Like cameo appearances on that show

[01:00:06] So good I once went as a plus one to the Saturn Awards You know like the genre award show Yeah, yeah, sure Which happens in like the hotel ballroom Yeah Which I want to throw this down right now I believe in letting the work speak for itself

[01:00:20] I'm going to campaign so fucking hard for a Saturn Award this year Yeah get it Saturn I think that's potentially attainable I don't know man, peak TV makes it tough I'm with you, I want you to get a Saturn Award I'm saying best supporting actress last year

[01:00:33] The Saturns was someone on the flash The flash is good So is the tick, I think I can get a fucking Saturn nomination I'm going to work really hard on it Don't blow out the mics What's the award? Is it rings? It's a truly lipstick Saturn

[01:00:47] Now I want to look up last year's Supporting actor though I think it was Well they got nominees Ed Harris on Westworld I think Yeah sure, I mean, Ed Harris I looked up last year's nominees I don't need to win, I just want to be nominated

[01:01:03] With the problem you've got Well I guess it's their genre So they don't do drama and comedy They just do best supporting actor on television But no, you can break in here I think I can Here's who we got, we got Ed Harris in Westworld

[01:01:15] Jeffrey Wright in Westworld They're both gone Because that show is not coming back for another half a year or whatever So two open slots already Lindon Ashby and Teen Wolf get out of town I've never heard of it That shows also ended Get the fuck out of town

[01:01:28] Out of here Three open slots We got Mack Hodbrooks as James Olson, Jimmy Olson And Supergirl, fine He'll probably stick around He's only getting more to do He's the guardian now Supergirl, he's around Kit Harrington, Game of Thrones I mean, yeah, sure But you figure if not him

[01:01:42] Someone else from Game of Thrones will get it There will be a Game of Thrones dummy Lee Majors on Ash versus Evil Dead Had no idea who was on it He plays Ash's dad Proud of him He's doing well Norman Reedus on The Walking Dead

[01:01:54] I mean, I think there could be some Walking Dead fatigue I'll say this too He's a favorite of the fans Ash versus Evil Dead Season 3 got pushed back to 2018 So it won't qualify Maybe he's not in there either They have a year without a season Do they? Interesting

[01:02:09] But I would say safe to say One Game of Thrones person will make it One Walking Dead person will make it But here's who you gotta fend off Who? There's like eight Stranger Things boys You gotta keep them out Because they're nipping at your heels Those Stranger Things

[01:02:21] No, but they have Last year they put all the Stranger Things kids In the Young Actor category Interesting Alright, okay I think they might be squared away I think Mahershala Ali gets in no question He'll get an easy non for Luke Cage

[01:02:34] Yeah, they do have a younger actor Thank you Millie Bobby Brown on it Yeah, right So I'm not gonna have to do it with Finn Wolfhard He'll be in his own category Mahershala I think will get in for Luke Cage I think you'll have one Maybe

[01:02:48] I don't know that one kind of vanished from memory That performance No, Luke Cage was this year Oh really? Mahershala wasn't nominated That's crazy They nominated Lyndon Ashby of Teen Wolf I think I can fucking get in I think you can get in too

[01:02:59] I think you can get in I'm not gonna get arrogant But here's my problem Here's my problem Here's my problem I'm gonna make people consider Here's my problem What's your problem You're a lead on the tick This category fraud You're pulling a fucking

[01:03:10] Rune Mar and Carol right now It's not category fraud I'm second bill Yeah, this is what I would call A classic Rune Mar and Carol situation I'm number two on the call sheet So... It's not category fraud Cause let me just point my eyes at the lead

[01:03:24] Or let's me looking up to lead Andrew Lincoln walking dead Who won last year Okay Bruce Campbell, Ash vs Evil Dead Fine, Mike Colter and Luke Cage He's gone Charlie Cox and Daredevil He's gone Yeah Grant Guston in the flash Sam Hynne in Outlander Okay

[01:03:43] Very hot, very cute Yeah And Freddie Heimour in Bates Motel And has that ended now? It did end, maybe it's eligible Well I want to have to compete with those people Because I'm submitting myself to supporting actor It's not category fraud Category fraud

[01:03:57] The show is called the tick This is the only time I'm gonna Claim that I'm not the lead Alright, back to Robocop Back to Robocop Yeah, I'm so glad we went on that tangent Because we need to pad this episode out a little bit

[01:04:08] I went to the Saturn Awards With my friend as a plus one And I sat next to Ray Wise at a table Okay And he was so terrifying And I wanted to win him over so much I was like 19

[01:04:17] And I just kept on making jokes to Ray Wise Because I want him to like me Did he tell you to try silence? No, what do you do? We were getting along pretty well And then I kept on ordering wine Because I was 19 and they weren't carding me

[01:04:28] And at one point poured an entire glass of red wine On my body Poured is the wrong word, spilled Yeah, right That's the word you were looking for I could not regain his respect after that For the rest of the night He was like Well, kid

[01:04:41] Happens to the best of us But was kind of like eye rolling And this was Reaper Arrow Wise So he's hella scary if you catch my drift I do Hella The fourth member of the gang is Joe Cox Oh yeah Played by Jesse Gohans

[01:04:56] I don't know how you say his name He's the laughing guy? Yeah, the weirdest performance in Robot Cop Most certainly He definitely has a take on this character But he really He came in and I think he was like Paul I've got this character figured out

[01:05:11] He laughs at everything Yeah And Paul was like Okay, sure You're kind of the least rounded out You and Ray Wise don't have a lot to do anyway I want a car very badly Yeah, right I really want that form Yeah, the SUX

[01:05:27] And yeah, he just laughs a lot It's a weird performance So we're still on minute eight of Robot Cop Well We should note This is a short movie It is This is a mic drop of a movie Oh yeah Really They're chasing Boddaker in the gang

[01:05:42] Shoot out from the back of a truck Can you fly Bobby? Throws Bobby at the windshield This is already You're like, okay This is the game that fucking Boddaker's playing He'll throw one of his men Yeah, he's demented John McClain out of bullets

[01:05:55] He'll throw a guy as a projectile And they go to an old steel mill They get there Bandoned mill Very cool location And they're both trying to sneak up Sure It is in fact Joe Cox Who takes out Nancy Allen

[01:06:09] Yes, because Lewis is kind of creeping up on him She catches him He's taking a piss He goes mind if I zip this up She goes okay No, no she doesn't even go okay She just looks down for a second and that's enough

[01:06:20] And he was banking on that That she wanted to take a peek at the peen Oh boy Who wouldn't I'm just letting that lie Take a peek at the peen I'm gonna take a peek I'll put it out there I'm gonna take a peek

[01:06:35] You're not progressive enough to take a peek at the peen Sure, I'll take a peek It's 2018 David take a peek at the peen Wow It's 2018 It's 2018 You're the peen Okay He knocks her out on two Nox her out, doesn't matter A series of pillows What's important?

[01:06:55] Bags of rice She lands in a very soft space It doesn't matter But she's out Yeah I know What's important is What happens to poor Murphy What happens to him? He gets shot with 800 shotgun shells Where do they shoot him? Well the crucial thing we see

[01:07:09] Is they shoot his hands off And one of his arms The crucial scene More like the cruci-fixual scene I know Yes it's real stigmata Robocop is American Jesus I mean the shot Which I believe may have been edited In the R rated cut

[01:07:25] But the shot that I watched Where the arm flies away Is nuts Yeah You're like what They were like that's the moment where they That was the big thing that the X was over I mean there's that And there's the The ed 209 A couple of little things

[01:07:38] But that was the big one that they were like Flipping out over Yeah It's so drawn out And it's also not just the level of gore But how sadistic it is That they keep on laughing at him Taunting him It's really like Morally kind of All-putting

[01:07:51] I don't want to bring up flesh and blood But it's like that intense scene But it's used To a much greater purpose A much greater end here But it is similar It's very similar But in this case It is not our hero of the film

[01:08:04] Who is doing that Sure You know But they just They love fucking Kill him this cop Right Sure It's also that he needs to be really blown up To be RoboCop Right Shoot him in the back of the head Brains fly out and then Black Yeah

[01:08:24] And Lewis is watching it happen But can't get to him Right so she's seeing this She knows first hand What's going on here Cut to black On the commentary For Hope and said he wanted 40 seconds Of black and silo Wow That would have been awesome

[01:08:37] He wanted audiences to go like Is the movie over Is the hero just dead Dead, yeah And he says even now Like we got it down to like 5 I wish I had pushed for like 10 He's like my one regret Watching the film today 40 seconds is insane Yeah

[01:08:51] I mean 40 seconds is a crazy amount of time That's like the fucking The Zodiac director's cut Where the only difference is There's that one sequence That's two minutes That's all black Where you just hear songs Right To note the passage of time Yeah He wanted that, no audio

[01:09:07] He wanted audiences to question It ends up being like 5 seconds in the film He says if I Go back and make it 10 Okay You said that twice now Then we come back POV Yeah Robocop screen A masterful Masterful sequence A great GUI Right As they say

[01:09:23] We're understanding Robocops Display We're placed directly in his head And you get I like it's kind of like your You know your whole How to take an Empire Strikes Back The whole kind of like Side Business comedy With Admiral Piot and everything Yeah

[01:09:40] I like the little trappings of like Narrative we get with the scientists Just little bits Little bits They said most that was improvised They let them kind of work on stuff Right They had party supplies So they were like Let's make it New Year's Right

[01:09:52] But it's also just insane That very early thing where they're like We saved his arm And Ferrer is so mad at them Yeah Where he's like What? Get rid of the arm Exactly Cause it's so much about creating a product Yeah But they don't get that They initially

[01:10:06] They're like Oh aren't we trying to like save this person's life Turning him into a robot Which do you know what the fucking remake does What? The remakes like All we were able to save was his hand So he's got one human hand

[01:10:16] They do the opposite of this Just to like Fucking flip him off Right So for the whole movie He's got one visible human hand Which looks dumb Well the suit in the remake looks dumb You know they also show this Design for the suit and it's this

[01:10:29] And they go like That looks like something out of a dumb 80s action movie Boo Then we can go Fuck itself I'm gonna watch it Keaton's getting at them I'm a boy Jackie My boy Jackie hero Very good in it I'm an old man It's a weird casting

[01:10:46] He plays like the kindly scientist Right He plays like the Dr. Erskine role Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah What about Sam Jackson? Sam Jackson is The way they do the news broadcast Yeah, he's like the one who's But he's Bill O'Reilly So he's like not news It's like commentary

[01:11:03] And it's like It's dumb It's a funnier that the news broadcasts Are the news broadcasts Of course And they hire two real anchors I know it's amazing And they write it like news copy Yeah except they're just saying The most insane things in the world Yeah

[01:11:14] It's bad sci-fi The RoboCop remake is bad sci-fi Yeah, you're right Now you want some good sci-fi Okay You don't always have to go to the multiplex I want like an original sci-fi adventure Yeah, I'm saying you're thinking Oh movies, TV, those are the only arenas

[01:11:30] In which I can get my original sci-fi Okay You're here to correct me Not so fast No, no, no, no Okay What if I was to tell you That there was an original science, fiction, adventure Built from the ground up to be an audio experience

[01:11:47] Featuring a large cast of professional voice theater And screen actors Okay A full, dedicated score That draws inspiration from classic action adventure movies Very important to good sci-fi A full slate of sound effects And most importantly Professional mixing Oh yeah, so it sounds like a real Drama Yeah

[01:12:08] Okay Yeah, maybe you've heard of it Are you talking about the hour and a half long Sci-Fi audio adventure, Cerberus Rex Well yes I am My friend Yeah We talked about this show This show is cool Look, a large number of audio drama shows

[01:12:21] Say they're the cinematic experience in audio form But come on We're amongst friends here Let's be honest They're really not But like essentially this is the good version This is large production It's large scale adventure experience It actually captures that effect

[01:12:33] And if you want to listen to it in higher quality You can actually pay $1.99 But you can also listen to it for free Right? Uh-huh On sci-fi.com Sci-fi.com You got to and remember the dash Because you got to dash over to this website Sci-fi.com

[01:12:54] Sci-fi.com Sci-fi.com You got to dash Um, yeah, no This is a cool show We talked about it on a previous episode But it's a more exciting sponsor for us Because it's actually something original This isn't a company This isn't a product

[01:13:08] This is art to my friend Right It's like, as you said Large scale audio adventure About this scientist Who is recruited to investigate this mystery of physics You get to experience the day to day Of these people in this station Mostly one day But the patina

[01:13:28] Day to day is a larger term The hour to hour Do you know what I'm saying? Patina, Rosetta Stone All of it You want to hit them all? Yes All your faves Marass Or text No, it's a cool show And it's special

[01:13:44] I'm glad they're advertising on blank check The creator too Is incorporating a lot of Touchstones of different directors That we've discussed That even fall into the wheelhouse Of science fiction James Cameron, St. Spielberg Maybe a herd of them John Carpenter who I'd love to do

[01:14:02] John McTiernan who we've long talked about Wanting to do John McTiernan is someone we should do When we do our year of the felon Good point But still he's cool Cool guy Good friend, good director And writers that we've probably talked about Like William Goldman Yeah

[01:14:20] I mean I was just saying give her a listen Okay Okay Yeah Well you've got to go to SIDE-FI.COM That's S-C-I Dash F-I.COM To listen to server's recs And you can listen for free But if you want a high quality version

[01:14:36] You can pay two bucks for it $1.99 So you're saying If you want a higher quality version You can buy that for $2. That's perfect Okay RoboCop they make him So you're watching them make him Slowly over this period of time Morton's getting excited

[01:14:52] This woman who looks like Parker Posey Kind of has a crush on him Huge glasses Every time I watch it I'm like Did Parker Posey go back in time? And then we see that like he's set up Celebration They take the plastic wrap off of him

[01:15:07] I love that perspective shot Where it's like the plastic wrap And you see the table being lifted up And you're watching an audience applaud him And he's not responding at all So you just know you're like Is this guy fucking catatonic now? Right

[01:15:19] And then we go to the precinct I repeat offender I repeat I will offend again Great joke 10 comedy points He's just gonna do the whole movie folks Clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk What's that? Through the glass Foggy Distorted Uh huh We see the silhouette of RoboCop Yeah

[01:15:39] Oteen went to Verhoeven And said Please tease out the look Cause I think if you just cut And show the suit it's gonna look goofy Sure People are gonna be jarred by it You need to tease it out Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's good advice

[01:15:51] You get that He comes through the door You see all the reactions You see little bits and pieces Everyone's following you down the hallway Trying to figure out what the fuck is going on And then the first time you really see him Oh you see

[01:16:03] In the sequence or in POV You see him distorted on the screen a little bit Okay Which is a nice touch Sure But then the time you fully see him After all this build up Is this very banal shot where they lock the cage They lock the gates

[01:16:18] They mirror in him It's good that you have total visual memory of this movie Yes And now he's sitting in his little baby high chair Yeah, they do lock the gates He's in his baby high chair Miguel Ferrer is there They ask him who his guys are

[01:16:31] And then they calibrate They do the thing with the pen We set up the visual device of him being able to record memories Picture in picture All this is important later And I just think it's all very artfully set up, right? I think it's good It's good

[01:16:44] Yeah, right They introduce all the information He's got his baby food He's got his little high chair Everyone's looking at him No, no, but what's the word for it? It's a paste, I forget A rudimentary paste Such a classic 80s sci-fi word

[01:16:54] Right, and then he takes the finger doll up He's like baby food It's that guy who's the thumbs up guy That guy rocks Felton Perry That guy rocks Felton Perry That guy rocks He's so good He's awesome He's really funny But I like Like Rocaw comes in

[01:17:07] He's intimidating and immediately is like infantilized Where it's like, does this even have a consciousness? You know, it's true I like that too It's not like the movie begins with There's a criminal wilding out I mean the introduction And then Rocaw smashes And he's like, dead or alive

[01:17:21] You are coming with me You're like, oh my god Instead it's like This weird science experiment Yeah But then we cut to the firing range Yeah And now he's looking cool He's got this badass gun He's got this insane gun I hate guns so much So fucking much

[01:17:36] How'd you feel about the gun scene in Ragnarok? Didn't like it Yeah, carry on Didn't like it I don't like guns And I don't get gun fetishization that much Sure That happened in said While re-watching this movie For the second time in 24 hours I was like

[01:17:51] How much of a cost to get a replica of a replica Do not buy a fucking replica of a gun, Jesus I was like thinking about it It's this crazy like it's a Beretta And they like extended it to make it fit his hand

[01:18:02] They had to modify it Yeah The gigantic gun They were first they were going to give him a Desert Eagle Which is like the biggest pistol that there is But they were like, that's too small Like they needed this sort of obscene gun Yes

[01:18:12] And he's just there totally still Nailing it Nailing it Nailing it And all the cops love this guy They're like, they're all rushing to see him And this is a sequence with no music Just the sounds of the shots Everyone else is taking deliberate shots

[01:18:23] And he's got this Da da da da da da da da da da da da da Kind of rattling They all start looking over Crowding around him Lewis is kind of the last to get smart to it Because she's not, you know, easily impressed

[01:18:34] She's not impressed by the flash But she's starting to wonder what's going on here And when he finishes What does he do? TJ Laser Yeah, so then she notices that Wait, but David where does he put his gun? It's in his leg Oh shit

[01:18:50] Motherfucker puts his gun in his leg RoboCop just changed the game You're weird Oh, here I am I'm a cop Here's my leg Let me put a holster on top of it Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mmm No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Ben's wagging his finger

[01:19:09] We're both wagging our fingers RoboCop puts it in the leg What did I do? He's got a leg holster He puts it in the leg No, no, no You're being a little stinker, David You guys have lost your mind So the gun is in the leg

[01:19:29] Oh my god And Lewis is like Murphy used to do that So she stopped something It's a weird reading of her internal model Murphy Guys, we have a good time making this show Yeah, we have a great time It's a good time

[01:19:48] I can't believe people are saying that I love doing it Yeah, I love doing it too It's my happiest thing I just don't understand how people keep We just keep growing I know people are like I just discovered the show really like it And I'm like, really?

[01:20:02] This? This thing? We were looking at numbers right before this And it was like at an exponential rate Like I thought at some point we'd hit a ceiling Where it's like this is the full amount of people Alive in the world who would ever want to listen

[01:20:13] To this nonsense But it keeps on expanding The blank check read it just hit 701 queer means Hey Anyway Yeah, Murphy's in there And we're also introduced to his three Directives which are Directive one, directive two Sort of the public trust Obey the law Protect the innocent

[01:20:32] Protect the innocent Obey the law Uphold the law Okay, I'm sorry Directive four classified You don't know what directive four is And he's I'm kind of embarrassed I didn't remember that I know I was a little shocked But I also thought you might not Because they're so blended

[01:20:46] Yeah And they also never come up Right, I knew what the sentiments were Yes, so And then he starts to rampage Well, no, but Louis Stops him in the hallway That's not initially Okay Because he has a couple of scenes Of just being Robocop

[01:21:01] Like there's the scene in the convenience store Well first we have the moment where He walks past the sergeant's Desk And goes I'll take this And takes the car keys Right And walks out That one shot with one line Uh-huh

[01:21:16] Was the first thing they shot with him in the suit And they said it took eight hours Jesus Christ Because the suit was such a nightmare And then once they finally got him to figure out How to walk They realized the hand couldn't grip the glove

[01:21:25] He couldn't move his hand So they were like That was the day where we thought the movie Was never going to get finished Right, right, right But then you get this awesome series of Like here's just one night on the town Being Robocop Yeah, but I think it's

[01:21:35] Why I think it's good Is that it's just immediately clear Like this is madness Yes I mean like that's why I love Robocop Yeah He's He's not good He's bad We should not have a Robocop And the city is also fucked I mean it's like

[01:21:50] One fucked element meeting another fucked element Sure Like we go to the convenience store The guy comes in He's itchy Right, he's over the safe All he knocks over the beer can He takes out this really overzealous gun Yeah, huge gun Like you don't need this gun

[01:22:02] To rob a convenience store Yeah, well, I'll do that But a pointed joke I think the movie's making Yeah, sure, sure He loves I buy that for a dollar Everyone loves I buy that for a dollar Who doesn't love I buy that for a dollar

[01:22:12] J.W. Bixby I think is the character's name Yeah, who? Bixby Snyder Bixby Snyder, sorry Yeah, who is that guy He looks crazy I don't know but I'd buy him for a dollar Uh-huh It is 4 a.m. Where we are currently

[01:22:26] Yeah, the auto lights in the office just went off It's also pitch black outside It is, yeah, it's like grim day today It's like pouring Yeah, it's been bad It's been bad So it feels a little like Old Detroit outside of my drift He goes in and Robocop

[01:22:43] Starts walking What the fuck are you? Right? And then clearly Robocop is not stopping He's an immovable force, right? And he's got his gun And the guy just starts going Oh fuck, oh fuck It's pretty good In the script it was written as one oh fuck

[01:22:59] And Verhoeven was like Just keep shaying it Josh smelt it away Keep smelting it Oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck I also always love that this safe is Hidden underneath the pyramid of beer cans Me too, I think that's a good move by them

[01:23:12] I always think that's a really cool detail But he just eviscerates the guy Yeah Graphically in a way that is unnecessary It's great though He could have just shot him one time He's got perfect aim Instead he like makes him into Swiss cheese And then says like

[01:23:28] Have a pleasant evening And has traumatized these people He has He could have stopped the crime very calmly But Robocop is cranked up to 11 Mm-hmm Right? What's his next stop? His next stop is The streets Two bad guys No good, very bad, don't do it

[01:23:45] They are harassing a woman Yes, chasing after her with a knife Commenting on her blonde hair Questioning whether she's got more hair Down there The rough scene Two points for the rhyme Yeah, I'm gonna say no points A blanket no points for these guys

[01:24:02] I'm deducting them points for other behaviors Yeah, boy I'm giving them two rhyme points Originally it was not supposed to go that far Oh Okay The scene Paul Verhoeven who Like sexual assault movies Had the idea of the scene going on that far

[01:24:19] But also then it creates the cool setup of Okay now he's holding the woman in front of him With the knife to her throat How is Robocop gonna shoot? Wow, just went dark Like radio silence David He shoots through his skirt You gotta pick up that pecker He's

[01:24:39] Ben's pointing at his crotch You gotta pick up that pecker Jesus Christ, the dress I believe actually She's wearing a dress Yeah but he's not shooting the dress He's shooting the pecker Yes, he shoots the guy in the Johnson He aims right between her legs It's that pecker

[01:24:54] Useless garbage Fatal Farm who are like really good filmmakers Who do a lot of stuff with Tim and Eric And like for ad companies That kind of When you see things that aren't made by Tim and Eric Yeah, yeah They do a lot of that stuff

[01:25:07] Do you know about this Our Robocop remake thing? No They did this with Footloose as well Maybe one other recent 80s remake Because I want people to watch this It's really good Okay, fair enough It was around that time when they were Remaking starting to remake all these

[01:25:21] Classic 80 movies A lot of like UCB comedy people in LA And filmmakers sketch teams What have you Did this project where they would Each take one scene from the original film And remake just that scene on its own And piece together their own scene for scene remake

[01:25:37] And the Fatal Farm version Of that scene That's the scene they did And they're really high production value The thing that's great about them Is they make everything look real Is they shoot the guy in the pecker And it flies out of his pants Like the disembodied dick

[01:25:53] And then another guy comes up with a knife And they shoot him and his dick flies off And it becomes like 80 different men Running in And just a bunch of disembodied dicks Slowing on the ground It's great, you should watch it It's really funny You've seen it, right?

[01:26:06] It's really good Roe cups, kick and butt, take and nails Pick and peens But then as you mentioned He runs into, what's his name? Emil Emil At a gas station he's fucking with a kid Who's supposed to be young Verhoeven Oh interesting Who's reading his book

[01:26:24] Who's reading his math book And he's like a, right He's like a creepy Nazi fucking with him Or whatever The Nazis were gone by the time he was in college But he's fucking with the kid Reading his basic planes book Yeah And Emil's just doing it for sport

[01:26:37] Good Paul McCrane shit here Real good Paul McCrane And he's going nuts and it's great And Robocop Robocop shows up Yes And you know What the fuck are you I'm supposed to be scared of you He starts fucking with Emil He says, dead or alive

[01:26:54] You were coming with me And Emil knows He clocks that line And this is the first time we're getting a sense of We saw the physical The TG laser But there's some part of him Even though they wiped the memory There's something there That's muscle memory almost Yeah

[01:27:09] And he goes, what We killed you Yeah, he starts yelling it over and over again And you see Robocop like replaying the video In his brain So that Emil gets away because Robocop Is sort of stopped in his tracks by this Also he flicks a sig

[01:27:23] Sets everything on fire Yeah sure We get an awesome shot of Robocop Walking out of the flames There's a shot I love where It's the one where he's fully engulfed in the fire And so they had to put the stuntman in like Full shit

[01:27:35] So he's wearing a plastic lower face There's one scene where Robocop's head looks insane Because it's not just like Yes, yes I have So But he's wearing like a sculpted lower face mask And he comes out of the fire chase after Doesn't get a mail Or he does

[01:27:53] At this point no he doesn't No, Emil gets away Yes correct And then he Goes into the precinct Has a dream Oh yeah well first he does that That's right His fucking information spike Yeah he's got Is that what it's called? Yeah That's pretty cool I love it

[01:28:09] It is pretty cool He doesn't have like a USB dongle He has an information spike Yeah he's got Get her alive you are coming with me data He's got a data dick And it's his middle finger So anytime he wants to access it

[01:28:20] He has to flip people off Because Robocop ain't got time for your bullshit Your move Creep Data Podcast Walks in Who are your guys I remember one time Damon Wayne said I'm just going to do a jazz set But that's what he's asking the database Yes

[01:28:42] Who are your guys Yes he says who are your guys And he finds the guy Right Emil and his known associates Right he goes Emil, Bodecker, Karlin What the fuck stables Why does anyone listen By the way this is two Verhoeven movies in a row

[01:29:03] Where he locks gates I want it to be a thematic I guess so we'll watch for more Yes But so he's watching the guys And this is like a big Information dumb scene But it's really artfully done Every scene in this movie I like the interface

[01:29:19] He gives enough juice So Good 80s tech right So good Great 80s tech Interfaces David man I mean I Hot interfaces I'm like Everything looks like an NBA Jam screen Yeah I'm obsessed with this kind of design He's on fire Yeah Like I want to get AirDog Involved

[01:29:39] Yes Do you remember the code Yes And then you could be Clinton too The Lewis scene has already happened Monster Jam By the buckets It happened earlier when I said it did Because he at this point has already No because it happens after he has the dream

[01:29:59] Maybe it happens right before he comes into the office Yes that's right That's what it is He goes home he has the dream He goes home he goes to his cage He has the dream He has high chair he plays it And like the guy Like the nightmare

[01:30:10] The thing is right The guy tasked with watching this Is turned around and looking at his Come on man At least face the screen And he does some great convulsing And some amazing grimness facing Good convulsing He has this dream of his murder

[01:30:21] And then he sort of walks And she confronts him with like You're Murphy you're Murphy Yeah You know what's your name And he's like I'm sorry ma'am Dead or alive I'm gonna drive you crazy right now Okay Can I do a merchandise following? Oh sure Okay go ahead

[01:30:35] What Of what We all know Got a collection of toys I'm a toy boy You have a collection of toys That's what I said No no you You dropped the eye or whatever I swallowed it I swallowed it I swallowed it I'm a mumbler baby

[01:30:51] It's a jazz set Just let me speak Okay I tend to stay away from the high end stuff The really fancy like $200 toy That's the heroine of the trade right I like fucking the white collar Blue collar sold to the earth toys Once you start buying those $200 toys

[01:31:10] It's like yeah You're gonna need them all the time Especially if now Suddenly you have disposable income After nine years of mostly Subsiding off a dollar pizza Yeah Dangerous if you are Working after a TV show And they're giving you money And stuff like that exists out there

[01:31:23] Sure sure sure There was one high end toy I own Uh huh And it is that crazy company hot toys Which is the Japanese company That makes like Anytime you've seen something where You're like That's fucking insane And then you look at the pricing

[01:31:33] You're like that's fucking insane They're that company I got a RoboCop That cost me $250 It was 50% off It was a $500 product I know I knew that would give that Response how you did Boy 500 What is it How do I find it What do I Google They recently

[01:31:56] The same company released A Hulkbuster from Avengers Age of Ultron That's fine What do I Google That cost $900 Okay Why would you ever want that What do I Google That's my point Just to give you a sense of pay scale Hot toys RoboCop Chair

[01:32:10] Because what I got was The deluxe version That comes with this little high chair With all the monitors It's made out of real metal How big is it 12 inches So it's not that big It's a good 12 inches Bigger than an action figure But not like, you know

[01:32:21] It's GI Joe size Like large old school As opposed to real American hero I mean it looks like RoboCop It looks exactly like RoboCop Very shiny It's made out of real metal As I said You can open up his leg And put the gun inside

[01:32:33] Yeah, you heard that right David Inside the leg No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Uh-huh Disgusting noise of yours Yes He's got three different lower Faces so you can change The expressions Great Including the grimace From when he's in the chair He has four faces

[01:32:50] Oh you're right Yeah Three extra faces Yes He's got like a busted torso And helmet So you can like make him a Buzzed guard You can move each individual finger As well But I just have him In the pose Representing this scene Where he's like pushing himself up

[01:33:05] On the chair Having the nightmare That's funny But you do that That's what I think is funny Sure I have him with the grimace Like twisted This was with sound effect Yes, I said he talks Wow And he's got a little remote That looks like the Robocop logo

[01:33:19] And if you touch the O It says Dead or Alive You're coming with me It says all this stuff is off Dead or alive You are coming with me But I got Robocop in his little chair Your move, great Thank you very much That was my merchandise spotlight

[01:33:29] Oh also The NES game was great I had it growing up I loved it Yeah, I regret it It was at least one Robocop game It was hard though Yeah well that's back when Games were just Do you know what's an even better Game Because I got

[01:33:41] I got a Sega emulator Recently Genesis Proudly Thank you For the video game That was a nice thing to do Yeah, I remember that game I played the tech video game In my dressing room The limited time They weren't working me to the bone And I've been buying

[01:33:55] Some other Genesis games Robocop vs. the Terminator For Sega Genesis Is a fucking phenomenal game I never played it There is a dark horse Limited complex series That was then adapted into The video game medium And it rules You play as Robocop He is the good guy

[01:34:15] Robert Cup And you got to stop them Terminators So he has his dream He uses his information spike And it's perfectly represented On my mantel He's destroyed My brain I'm hungry too Well yeah, it's breakfast now So Louis comes up to him In the hallway after he's

[01:34:40] Cast run away We can't control him She goes, it's you, Murphy It's you, we haven't said that She says the name Murphy to him For the first time Murphy, what the fuck does that mean? Excuse me But also she says what's your name And he won't answer

[01:34:51] And then Miguel Ferrer is like You want me to shut up the prongers? He had a dream, fuck you Fuck you, what are you talking about? He snorts some coke off some boobs Just keep babies sitting here Come on And so then we have

[01:35:03] These sort of two Vegas plot lines One is Robocop sort of Hunting down these men They get from the spike When he gets the test spike The cop hot episodes Scout hollows Choose what to be Iounts Royit Update But it's not that They're not that They're not that

[01:35:23] They're not that They're like That sort of thing But when you've got a doctor The face kind of strings The cord with him And then he sees Leon Murder Click, click, cop killer Click, click Alex Murphy Deceased Flashing Murphy, it's you Murphy, it's you He's remembering

[01:35:42] holding the office hostage because he wants a recount. Oh, I love that. No, he's not the mayor. He's just a councilman. But yes, I love that scene. That's early. That might be in his initial run along with the rapists and the-

[01:35:54] I think a meal is a separate run. Yeah, sure. Cause I think the mayor ends that first run. Councilman, yes. Councilman, sorry. That's a great scene though. Cause that's right. That's where he uses like thermal scanning. I want something with really shitty gas mileage.

[01:36:05] That's a really funny line. Do you know how they did the thermal scanning scene? How? This is a fun anecdote. Okay. They made body suits that look like thermal scans and they wear them and then they just use that as a plate. So if you watch the shot,

[01:36:16] you can see the zipper in the back. It wasn't done as an effect, but like body coloring. They just shot that on a green screen and then through the background later. It's practical. It's fucking cool. And Robocop punches through the wall,

[01:36:29] strangles him, throws the guy out of the car and when he hits, it cuts to the news broadcast and goes, Robocop, who is he? What is he? Immediately we're like contextualizing him. We see him on the playground with the kids.

[01:36:43] Neumeyer said that was the best day of filming because he's like, you make these movies and it's a bunch of angry tired people and everyone's like pissed off. And then once we got to like a playground with kids talking to a Robocop, we were like, that's pretty cool.

[01:36:55] You get the kids. Right, right, right. Bob Morton's doing the victory lap. Everyone's loving Bob. And we've got a couple scenes. This is why I went back to this because I think it's important to re-establish. Bob Morton now, he's in the executive washroom.

[01:37:05] Oh there is the executive washroom scene. He thinks he's fucking hot shit and he's talking about Dick Jones. He's a dinosaur, he's old, we're new. The guy next to him taking a leak, he knows. Dick Jones. Everyone scurries out of there.

[01:37:18] He lets himself pee on his fucking crotch. Yeah I know. He zips up so quickly there's pee- I swear to God, yes, I know, I know. Yes. Which Neumeyer said he wrote because it was his greatest fear in life? That he peed on himself when zipping up.

[01:37:31] That if he was wearing a lightly colored suit. Sure. He worked in an office where he had to crush on the receptionist and her desk was right by the bathroom and if he accidentally peed on himself then she would be the one who would see it

[01:37:42] because he wore gray suits. So he wrote it in, right where you know. Dick Jones is there. Suddenly it's just him. Verhoeven and Neumeyer said this scene is meant to be an homage to Papa Ferrers' scene in Lawrence of Arabia. Okay.

[01:38:00] In the sense of it being an interrogation that's maybe also erotically charged. Okay. Because Dick Jones keeps on stroking his face. It is, yeah. Yeah. Deliberate? Sure. Because you know, we used to make fun of the old man. Sometimes we even called him an asshole.

[01:38:16] But we always had respect. And Morton shrugs it off. He's like, you ain't got no bite no more, baby. Yeah, he doesn't buy it. Ed 209 sucks, go fuck yourself. He doesn't buy it. Dick Jones. But don't fuck with Dick Jones. He ain't that old yet.

[01:38:32] Cause what, let me check quickly. What's that he's got in the pocket? Clarence Boddiger. He's got Boddiger in the pocket. I'm gonna give you that, yeah. Sure. Yeah, no. David's giving me the wrap it up sign. No, I'm not gonna give you the wrap it up sign.

[01:38:44] We're not close to wrapping up. Although I guess it is kind of close to the end already. Oh wow. It's a fast one. Maybe I knew exactly what I was doing. No, but no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Maybe I've been playing this episode like a fiddle.

[01:38:59] I mean, complete control the entire time. Oh boy. No, no, no, no, no. You are very much the Dick Jones of this podcast. That's not true. I'm Bob Morton. Okay, well that means you're about to die because as Robocop has taken out the lesser Baddickers,

[01:39:19] Boddiger, Boddiger comes to Bob Morton's house. He goes to the disco and takes down Ray Wise. Ray Wise tries to kick him in the Robo Deck. But what happens instead? Gong. One of the most overt jokes of the film. That's a good joke.

[01:39:33] And then do you know what happens right after that? I don't, tell me. They cut to a close up of Paul Verhoeven dancing straight into the camera. Oh really? It flashes for two seconds. I'll never find that. It's just Verhoeven going like this

[01:39:46] and the story is that he was trying direct the extras to dance the way he wanted and the camera guys told him about his permission. The editor found that footage, it was like I'm gonna fucking put this in and they kept it in. So they kick him, Gong,

[01:39:56] and then it's Paul Verhoeven staring straight into the lens going like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very good. Take it a mound, take them down, take them down. Badecker at the same time kills Bob Morton by blowing his whole house up with a grenade. Bitches leave. Yeah, yeah.

[01:40:13] Good line. Sure, sure. I mean bad sentiment. Yeah. Good piece of writing. I guess so. He tongues a grenade. He leaves it there in the table. Morton just cares about the coke, he plays the Dick Jones video. Wait, what? He plays a video from Dick Jones

[01:40:34] for Bob Morton announcing that he's about to die. Yeah, but Morton's like, you know, make out for it, he's like crawling to get the green, he's been shot or whatever. And then he is dead. So now we know the bodiker. And Dick Jones, they're kind of working together,

[01:40:52] which makes not a ton of sense, but whatever. Was not in the script. That was a studio note of like, oh the two villains should be working together. They were originally completely unrelated. Yeah, they should be unrelated. They don't really make much sense. I disagree.

[01:41:04] I like the fact that the entire company, the whole world is fucked around them. I like that everyone's in cahoots. I just think it makes Bodiker more powerful than he really needs to be. We're like, cause like initially he's just some asshole.

[01:41:19] But I love that he's some asshole who's also disproportionately powerful. I like that it's a corrupt corporation that's working with the criminals. They own the cops and they got the criminals. I get it. It means it's Robocop versus the entire world versus the system.

[01:41:37] The day they just thrown a lot of all at my head. I want to. But Bodiker, Jesus, I'm getting so... Like there's the cocaine factory scene. So that's the next major thing that happens. Yes. He goes, there's the awesome shot of the door

[01:41:52] kind of like bending like the cartoon door and breaking it in. Yes. This is a great shady factory. The cocaine factory is awesome. This is like probably one of the best shady factories of the eighties. It's like a really good conveyor belt like factory line.

[01:42:05] It's like the Isle of Lucy chocolate factory and Bodiker is doing full the game tonight. Yeah, he's great. Every scene he's in is wonderful. Numair said that's the scene that was really poorly written where they just let him do whatever the fuck you wanted. Right.

[01:42:18] So he says all this weird, he does the shit where he puts his fingers in the red wine which is such a power move. Yeah. And then just sniffs it. Yeah, that's right. They will point the guns at each other. Right. Guns, guns, guns.

[01:42:28] Yeah. I love it all. I love Kerwood. All great. He's amazing in it. And then Robocop comes in and he's kind of like excited. Like here's this fucking Robocop dick that everyone's talking about, right? And Robocop just starts busting ass. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Cool trick shots.

[01:42:43] I swear to God. Now we have now officially exceeded the running time of this movie. Great. That's what I was watching for. Okay. Cool trick shots. He's taking them all down. He finally gets to Bodiker. Bodiker is like, you don't know what you're messing with.

[01:42:54] You can't fuck with me. I'm with Dick Jones, right? Yeah. Robocop takes him in. Yes. What's the charge? He's a cop killer. He's a cop killer. Who are your guys? So Bodiker's in. What's wrong with me? Pow. But of course, Dick Jones springs him right away.

[01:43:17] Cause like you say they are. Give me my fucking phone call. He spits the blood on the table. It was originally just gonna be like Bodiker was the initial villain. Right. And this is the end of the line. Once this is resolved, yeah. End of the line creep.

[01:43:29] But yes, it is revealed that Dick Jones like kind of wants Bodiker to make crime because that just sort of accelerates the Delta city thing. And but then he's also... It's the opposite of the Dent Act. But then the... Please make more crime. Yes.

[01:43:43] But he goes into Dick Jones' office. He's all busted up and he's still got that same He's got like those great cuts. disproportionate confidence. This guy is so confident. He hits on the receptionist. Who is? Corwin Smith's wife. Still with this guy. I think that's really sweet.

[01:43:57] Were they already married? They got married a year after they were already together. But they've been married since 1988. Sweet. Yeah, and Jones is like, okay, I'll get you out but like you're really fucking shit up for me. He is mad at him. Yes, here's a tracking device. Fine.

[01:44:13] Go kill Robocop. I'll give you these gigantic absurd Robocop military weaponry that will destroy him. Right. Robocop fucking comes to the office because he's got the evidence on file recorded. I work for Dick Jones. He goes in, I'm gonna arrest Dick Jones. You were under arrest. Directed for

[01:44:35] he's gonna give him the D, the D four. It says he cannot harm an employee of the consumer products. Yeah, you know me. And it's the classic like, it's a scenario that's playing out over and over again now, right? Where like, don't put your info,

[01:44:50] your data, your life in the hands of private companies. Yeah. Don't read the fine print. Yes. But even then, there could be a directive for. Yeah. I like the body acting of like him trying to Yeah. Like go do it. That's so good.

[01:45:05] Like the glitchy kind of movement. He's so good. Oh, oh, oh, we did miss, I'm sorry. We did miss the emotional linchpin of this movie. Oh, the dream. He can't go back to his mom. Yeah, I don't like that. I love that scene.

[01:45:17] That's the one scene I'm just like, I already am connected to him and him as a person. I find that scene really operatic and emotional. Yeah, I just don't. It's the paradise lost. Because it's the scene where he realizes he can't go back home. Yeah. Literally.

[01:45:32] It's also vaporwave. It's also vaporwave. I just because I don't know or care about his wife or his kid and don't need to, I just don't care. I like that that's the full extent we get of them. I like that they don't come back.

[01:45:44] I hear that in Rubik's Cup 2, he meets his wife again, which is why I don't want to watch it. We're going to talk about it. Right. But the thing where she's like, I have something to tell you. I love it.

[01:45:52] And then later you see the full thing where I love you. Yeah, I love it. I also think that's the single best piece of robot acting well or does is at the end when he's like short circuiting losing his mind from the like emotional overload

[01:46:04] and then he punches the screen. I like that it's also set up as like the fucking... I like that. It's on the market. Yeah, I like that. That's great. No problem with that. The whole scene is really well done. Yeah, it's just...

[01:46:14] The score is beautiful in that scene. You're insane. I love you, but you're the best. You're a cop killer. Just like this movie is an hour, 40 minutes long, lose that scene. It's even leaner and meaner. Disagree. Lean and mean. Disagree. Lean and mean.

[01:46:29] This movie is the exact right length. I mean, it's a... Every second of this film. I would basically agree because it's a great lean, you know, straight train of a movie. Great. You have the scene with Lewis and the Sgt.

[01:46:40] Which is a nice kind of downbeat moment before chaos. Where they're sort of just resigned to... The Dick Jones, like, don't fucking mess with my people. I own this. The Boddaker thing, right? Yeah. And they have that kind of look to each other

[01:46:58] where it's like, Reed, really, he's trying his best. In tough circumstances, he's trying his best. And Reed and Lewis get each other. But now Robocop is gone. Directive four, they chase him out. Yeah, he's in trouble. They do that great escape

[01:47:15] where he keeps on rolling off the different levels. Well, first they shoot him a million times. A thousand times. Yeah, but then I... And so he's all dinged up, but then, yes, I love the rolling, that's great. And then Lewis picks him up. Right. So you got that.

[01:47:26] He also escapes ED 209 before that. Oh, fuck right. They send ED 209 to stairwell. In the script they just wrote, Ed 209 falls down the stairs and Phil Tippett handed them that thing with him like testing, tipping his foot over. Yeah, which is great. Oh, he's like a little puppy.

[01:47:42] Such a good performance. It's like a bit of character animation. Yeah. And then just like collapses down the stairs and is on his back, like a little baby turtle. But now he's chased, he rolls off the different levels. He runs away, he goes back to the mill. Right.

[01:47:58] Much like Jesus, they turned on him. And he takes off his helmet. They turned on him. Yeah, we get the Jesus thing. They get there. Lewis gives him all the tools he needs. You might want to look away. Yeah, I love this scene.

[01:48:11] And in this scene from this scene... And I also love that he never puts the helmet back on. Also from this scene on his voice isn't modulated. Yes. Because when he says that line of like, you might want to look away. His inflections are different.

[01:48:20] His voice is processed differently. He sounds like a person now. Yeah. And he takes it off. He gets this amazing fucking effect of it looking like they stretched his flesh. Yeah. So what they did was they made his head bigger. Uh-huh. Right, right, right.

[01:48:34] They built his face out bigger in size so that they could put the back headpiece of the metal skull. Sure, right, of course. Which is the size of his actual head. Like it's protruding. It overlaps in the front. It's very impressive effect. It's really well done.

[01:48:44] I love the bullet wound right at the top. Yeah, me too. It's really, really upsetting. It is. It's freaky. But in a cool way. They sent a concert. They auditioned a lot of people for this who would want to overplay that scene

[01:48:58] and make it like the grand soliloquy of like what did they do to me? Murphy had a wife, a son. Right, right, right. Um, Armand Asante is someone they cite by name who auditioned. Sure. I could see him going big. And did that. Did he go big?

[01:49:12] This scene is so muted. It's just like, fuck, this is my reality. And he talks about Murphy in the third person which I love. He's starting to feel some connection to Murphy but he doesn't think it's him really. He feels like that's not him.

[01:49:22] Murphy had a wife, a son. He's getting so excited guys. Because this is when this movie really starts kicking into like transcendent levels for me as he starts reckoning with his identity. You're so crazy. This is the great American movie.

[01:49:34] And there's the scenes where the anti-tank rifles where they're, you know, we're cutting to the boys playing around blowing up the shit. And he's got the bodicars out. He's got the SUX but he... These guns are just hysterical. It's so funny. They're like eight feet long.

[01:49:48] And the world is chaos. The world is chaos. The police are now on strike. At this point we've cut between Boddiger and his boys having fun and Lewis saving Murphy, right? This very selfless act of kindness with just rampant chaos and nihilism and hedonism, right? Right.

[01:50:12] Now I in high school love this movie as I said. Sure. And one night at family dinner I made a Robocop comment and my mom said Arnold Schwarzenegger did that. Okay. And I said, mom, that is not Robocop, that is the Terminator. Okay. And she said same difference.

[01:50:29] Wow. And I went off. Wow. You sound like a fun guy to be around in this moment. God. Everyone should hang out with 15 year old Griffin. Because that guy was a little shit. Uh-huh. With no off switch. So you're like, mom Robocop is a cyborg.

[01:50:46] Terminator is a robot with human disguise. But he is not relying on his organic components. I believe the argument I also used against my French mother was if I said Truffaut and Gadar were the same thing you would fucking disown me. Jesus. God.

[01:51:02] Why did she kick you out of your ass at this very moment? She got really defensive. She was like, okay calm down. Maybe I rayed. I probably stormed off to my room, right? Yeah. Seems like a good reaction from her. Bad reaction from you, good reaction from her.

[01:51:13] So like a week later, I'm at home and my mom knocks on the door. And she says, hey are you done with your homework? I was like yeah. She was like, do you have any plants tonight? Are you going out or anything? And I was like no, why?

[01:51:27] And she was like, well I was thinking maybe we could watch Robocop together. Well. Things we do for our children. Really? Yeah, you know I mean I saw how upset you got about that thing last week and I feel like

[01:51:39] if it means that much to you I should watch it. I was like I'm not sure if you're going to like it. And she's like I probably won't but I just I feel like I should know about it. Okay.

[01:51:48] I sit there and watch it with her and when like the early strikes you know all the violence the sort of excessive you know sort of maximalism of the movie. She's like, at a certain point I turned around like what do you think?

[01:52:01] She's like, you know it's really it's well done. Sure. I get it. Right, right, right, right. And then about like halfway through she's like this is pretty good actually. I mean I don't like these kinds of movies but this is like pretty solid.

[01:52:12] Then at this point when they cut between the Lewis Murphy save and the guys firing the guns. You better put play some music under this when you know like play some weird like mommy music under this. Okay. Yeah.

[01:52:26] She turns to me she goes it's like their friendship is the only pure thing left in this world which I always think about when I get to this scene. I understand these connections to movies. It's like their friendship is the only pure thing left in this world.

[01:52:41] The rest is cast you just see people looting in the street. It's true it's terrible the rest of the world is bad. And to end this story the next day my mom called me from work and said,

[01:52:50] Griff I can't stop thinking about where we'll cop that movie is great. It is great. I mean as much as I'm trolling you it is great and as much as you sound like a horrendous child. Yeah, but that's a sweet story. Very good story.

[01:53:01] My mom's the hero that story. Story. My mom is the hero that story. Yes. Ten hero points for your mother. Ten little shit points for 15 year old Griffin. My mom's the raw. Your band aid fell off and is like on your shoulder now. That's my neck band aid.

[01:53:14] What did you do to yourself? This fucking skin condition. I don't know it's a problem. I think I'm dying. Yeah. Did he Magazine's father a woman's fallen off. Um, Robert Khopp, Uh, now Luis of Murphy they're taking the helmet off. She's helping him train that. Yes.

[01:53:34] Res realism show the same. Right. But he's becoming more and more human now and now radical has the tracking device given to him by Dick Jones comes deep and worse for this final set piece of the film very good set piece. To just fucking kill Robo cop. Right.

[01:53:55] Kill him. Sure. Blow him up with the anti-tank gun. But here's the thing. Sure, what's the thing? He's a robo cop. Even without the helmet. It's tough to kill him and now also he's got some emotional charge. He really wants these guys. This isn't just his job anymore.

[01:54:15] So how does he kill everyone? We'll get to Emil because obviously his death's the best. But isn't that the first one? I guess it. Yeah, I'm trying to remember if Joe... He shoots the toxic waste. Well no, he drives into the toxic waste. Right. Doesn't he? Yeah.

[01:54:32] Emil drives into the toxic waste in the car chase. Sorry. Yeah. It all lands on him. He comes out of the car, he's a melting goop man. Yeah, he looks like the toxic Avenger. It's great. Um... It's great, I mean.

[01:54:43] His skin is like just dripping off of his body. I know. It's an incredible fucking design for something that's in the movie for like five seconds. I know and it's so weird. Which is a level of craftsmanship.

[01:54:52] Especially when these things had to be practically made that I love. I like his flipper arms, I also just love that it's like... It's so weird even for this movie toxic waste. I know. Like turns him into a mutant like that.

[01:55:04] And his ear is like all the way down on his neck now, like my bandaid for my skin condition. Doesn't like the henchman, one of his henchmen like react to how he looks. He's like, uh... Yeah. Yeah and pushes him away. Yeah.

[01:55:17] And New Meyer on the commentary track goes, this is my metaphor for how relationships work in show business. This is how people treat you if you're film bombs. Which at ten comedy points. Good job Ed. I also just like that when he finally gets hit by...

[01:55:33] One of the other boys who just is like, oh gross. Uh, he just, he just like... He's just water. Yeah. Just melts. Yes. Like there's just not a lot of holding that together. He just turns into Gack. Uh, Ed New Meyer has written two movies basically.

[01:55:48] Yeah, I mean he's one of those guys who's done a lot of other... Scripts. Right, but it's essentially Starship Shippers and that starts two amazing films. The... I mean he wrote the Great American Movie so you know, it's better than the rest of us. Yeah, agreed. Um...

[01:56:00] I actually know or I have a family connection to Michael Minor. Okay. Like a vague one. I've never met him. Can we reach out to him? Uh yeah, I think he exploded from cocaine after this movie. If that makes sense.

[01:56:11] I mean he's still alive I think but like I think this movie, uh, he's rich forever because of it. And like, yeah, I'm not sure though. I don't mean to... I actually don't mean to... With the word to denigrate this person who I barely know.

[01:56:23] Uh, New Meyer says on the commentary he's like, uh, I had a very hard time dealing with the success of this movie. Like I spent years struggling and I've had ups and downs in show business and the

[01:56:34] lean years have their own problems but this movie was so weirdly big and there was so much pressure on us because we had done something so different that I actually didn't

[01:56:42] know how to handle it and I kind of collapsed for a couple years which I think is why he doesn't really make another big difference. Maybe it's Ed New Meyer who exploded from cocaine. One of them exploded from cocaine.

[01:56:50] That seemed to be the implication from how New Meyer was talking. I mean look, maybe they both did. It was the 80s. Yes. Uh, so Robocop he fights them. Yeah, what does he do to Joe Cox though? I can't remember.

[01:56:59] And because he blows up, uh, you know, what's your name? You know, uh, uh, Louis blows up Ray Wise by shooting him up in the tower there. Right. I think he just shoots him a lot. He just shoots him. I guess. Yeah, he's... I think he...

[01:57:12] Well, I can't remember if he's the first to say he was laughing now. Uh, exactly. And you know, finally he stabs Butiker with his... Well, because Ray Wise has the big crane and he drops the debris on him.

[01:57:20] Right, which like crushes a shot I love where Robocop just like fucking collapses. I know, it's cool. It's intense. And then Louis gets back, blows him up and now Butiker's there and Robocop rises and say it with me now. I'm not gonna say it with you.

[01:57:35] He walks on water. Yeah. Dun dun dun. Clarence Butiker, you are under arrest. He's there. They said, how do we fucking get Robocop to kill Butiker? We don't know what it is. It wasn't in the screenplay and they were like, oh fuck, we'd never use the information spec

[01:57:50] again. It's good. I'm like Chekhov's gun, it was hanging up there the whole time. What a satisfying payoff. Fucking just lances him. Another very gruesome shot. Yep, yep. Underneath the jaw. Boom. Dead. Murphy. I'm a mess. And she just collapses into the water.

[01:58:12] And he says, don't fix you. Whatever. They fix everything. They fix everything. Which was a Peter Weller improv. Oh really? No, it's a gorgeous line. It's a great line. I just love, because it's so like haunted. Right.

[01:58:24] And at this point he has full awareness of what was done to him. He doesn't feel like Robocop. He feels like a fixed Frankenman. Yeah, he is a Frankenstein. So now they're there. Final scene. Boom. Boardroom. There was originally further material written after this point.

[01:58:41] It wasn't going to end this concisely. Which it ends concisely. Masterstroke of the movie, I truly believe and I know I'm saying a lot of hyperbolic things in this episode. The ending is amazing. This is the best final line in the history of cinema. You wackadoo.

[01:58:57] It's a good final line though. Joanna just turned me when she was like, that's it? They just ended? And like you couldn't do it today, which was her argument. You couldn't. No studio would allow this as an ending. I will ask you this sincerely.

[01:59:09] And you can answer this. I can't think of final lines, right? I'll try and think of some good final lines. Think of another movie where there is a one word summation of the entire thematic concern of the film resolved in one word. One word is a challenge.

[01:59:27] I have no idea. I'll think about it. No, it doesn't have to be one word, but I'm just saying. Well, nobody's perfect. Everyone always thinks of that. Okay, that's a joke. No. Three comedy points. Three? Come on. Give it more than three. I got issues with Joey Brown.

[01:59:42] What do you have to do to you? Oh boy. You fucked with the wrong griffin. All right, yeah, it's a great final line, but before then just... He walks into the office. I think thank you is just so good. Right.

[01:59:58] Does this fucking information spike into the screen plays? Yeah, plays the evidence. Right, I had to kill Bob Morton. Oh shit. Now... Takes the old man. Holding them hostage, gun to the head. Oh, is this going to become a whole new action scene? Directive four flashing.

[02:00:16] How do we get out of this? Old man goes, dick! You're fired. Good shit. Directive four shut down. Thank you. Boom. Puppet Ronnie Cox flies out the window. Crazy shot. Gorgeous like fucking... Since the rest of the stop motion is like a fucking T-rex and a car commercial.

[02:00:38] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, ed 209... Once they get to a human stop motion puppet, it suddenly feels like we're in Peewee's plans. It's weird. I forgot to mention that the... They said that when they screened the film for the LA Times,

[02:00:57] when it cuts straight from Louis saving Murphy from the police firing squad, hard cut to the T-rex and the SUX commercial, the head critic from the LA Times got up from her seat, went to the projectionist booth, and said you've messed up.

[02:01:14] You played a reel from a different movie. Wow. Because you didn't know why a dinosaur was in the movie. Yup. The reason they put that in is because Verhoeven and John Davidson wanted to make a dinosaur movie.

[02:01:26] They pitched a dinosaur, an animated stop motion dinosaur movie to Disney that was going to be classical music over a story of survival with non-talking dinosaurs. And that film was eventually turned into a dinosaur the CGI animated film. Weird movie. Yup.

[02:01:42] But that started out as a Verhoeven movie. He had no idea. That's crazy. Yeah. So shoots him, falls out the window, straight into the tie. What's your name? And he says... He gives a sly little smile. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Nobody's perfect.

[02:02:01] Let's just wait a while, see what happens. Try to think of good last lines. We need to fuck. Oh, that's a great last line. I just rewatched that movie. Yeah, that is an incredible last line. That's one of my top 10 last lines ever.

[02:02:14] It's in my top 10 movies ever. I'm finished. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a good one. That's pretty good. But he says Murphy. Yeah, Murphy. And it's the most concise, beautiful, elegant ending ever. Because suddenly he knows who he is. Where we're going, we don't need words.

[02:02:30] He starts out as Alex Murphy. Yes. He becomes Robocop, a man without an identity. Then he starts to understand that he once was Murphy but refers to him in the third person, thinks of it as a different guy.

[02:02:41] And now finally, stripped down, armor, crunched, mask removed, face visible, voice no longer distorted, he knows who he is. He's fucking Alex Murphy. He can't go home again. The wife and son are gone. He's not man, he's not machine. He's 100% cop.

[02:02:58] But he still knows what his fucking identity is. At the end of the day, he's Alex goddamn Murphy and he's the American Jesus. What had done it in July? What if he'd said that? Birds. Dead or alive, you're coming with birds. We have lost our minds.

[02:03:18] What's a forced water landing? Great movie. Robocop is a great movie that is a hilarious satire of American police militarization gone wild. Question. The psyche of our nation. And according to you, Jesus, what's your question? Jesus, he benches like dislocated. He's fucking elbow. We're physically falling apart now.

[02:03:37] I have a skin to do that. I don't know. I got a question though. What's your question? What was the box office like that? Oh, what a great question. Can I just say this thing? Originally they had further shit, further dialogue

[02:03:50] and when they got to it, they just went, oh, the last line in the movie is Murphy. They cut it off there. Just title card. And Verhoeven tells a story about going to see the film after it did surprisingly well, seeing it at theater in Harlem

[02:04:02] where the audience was really fucking into it and when it got to the end of the movie and the old man goes, nice shooting son, what's your name? Before he even said it. They went Murphy. They all yelled out Murphy and Verhoeven said he got chills

[02:04:16] and it was the greatest moment of his career as a director. That's pretty cool. That's great. And Numair tells a similar story about seeing it opening night and when it went from Murphy to... That's everything. He says Murphy and then it's just the word Robocop.

[02:04:27] It's the two identities now. Yeah, that's great. Back to back, the audience like exploded. Like they went ballistic. It is too bad that the sequels are bad because there's plenty of opportunity to make great sequels to this movie. But the character needs to evolve. Of course.

[02:04:40] It needs to be the Robocop. He ends up being at the end rather than just resetting to now he's got the helmet on and he's a Robocop. You can put the helmet back on if you want. He just has to be Murphy.

[02:04:48] I think you need to redesign the suit a little bit. I think he needs to have an evolution. No, I think it's fine with him. I think he can't have the same helmet on. I think you need to see his eyes. No, no.

[02:04:56] Then you can't make a sequel. You have to have that. You don't need a sequel. You got to introduce time travel. I'd be fine with that. No, I think the helmet's fine. You just say he can pop it up and down. Like it doesn't... Whatever it is.

[02:05:09] He needs the helmet because the helmet is why the movie works. It's just how Jaws like the score is 50% of why the movie... The helmet is 50% of why that movie works.

[02:05:17] It's like in the fucking remake it's a visor and it flips up and his whole face is underneath there and it looks normal. Well, because they want you to show you Joel Kineman or whatever. Right. They spend so much money on Joel Kineman that they have to make...

[02:05:26] Real lies. But I think it's just... The world is so fun and the omniconsumer products are so fun like that there's just so many fun things you could do. That's why I've seen some of the live action show, the cartoon show.

[02:05:37] I think that's the way to do it is just make spin-off shows where the story is just fun adventures. But the movies... It's A, like I think it was impossible to replicate all the elements. Why did I get us started on this? Yes. You know?

[02:05:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think you don't want to see canonical weighted stories with him not being full awesome Robocop but also it's sad to see him not be the happier, more reconciled Murphy. Mm-hmm. So just do the TV show. Box office. Opened at number one.

[02:06:10] It's a prize hit. Yes. July 17th, 1987. That is summer. It opened to... It's almost 30 years ago. Yes. A little over. It... Shut up. Almost 31 now by the time this episode comes out. Yeah, exactly. It opened to $8 million. Okay. Which was adjusted for inflation would be about $18 million now.

[02:06:31] So you know, big opening weekend but obviously it's not on the kind of screens. On like less than a thousand screens? No, 1500 screens. Okay. Number one... I buy that for a dollar. Yep. You got it, David? Uh-huh. I would buy that for $8. Quite?

[02:06:46] $53 million domestic total which is adjusted about... 115. 122. Hey, not bad. Number two... I buy that for $122. Shut up. Number two at the box office is a reissue of a classic animated film. A Disney picture. Yes. Opened to $7.5 million. Real counter programming to Robocop. Mm-hmm.

[02:07:07] Can you give me the decade? 30s. Is it Snow White? Yes, I believe that's the only 30s Disney movie. I believe you are correct. I think Pinocchio is 1944. I mean, Bambi is 40. Yeah. I think Snow White is 39, right? I thought it was 30... Bambi is 42. I thought it was 37.

[02:07:25] Pinocchio is the second one. Yeah, right. Oh, I was right. I shouldn't have overthunk it. Yes, I'm right. Snow White is 37. Pinocchio is 40. Okay. Because you know, it took a while. Number three is the fourth, and I believe last in a series

[02:07:44] that is a great movie and then three terrible sequels. So this is the third... It's also opening... No, it's the fourth. I'm saying this is the third terrible sequel in a row. Correct. Yes, it's number four. And this is the end of the franchise? I'm sure it is.

[02:07:57] They didn't make another one. I believe the lead actor in this movie has very clearly stated that he made this movie to buy like a nice summer home. Oh, this is Jaws for the Revenge? Correct, starring Michael Cain, who did not accept his own Academy Award

[02:08:14] because he was filming this movie. Correct, and never always regretted it because he won for handing over her sisters. Yes, and they said, you know, do you have any regrets? And he said, I have not seen the picture, but by all accounts it is terrible.

[02:08:28] However, I have seen the house it bought and by all accounts it's wonderful. Or shall I say, I have not seen the picture. No, no, don't, don't. But by all accounts it is terrible. So that opening that these are all new openings.

[02:08:41] But I have seen the house it bought and by all accounts. Shut up. It was wonderful. Shut the fuck up. I'm so hungry. That was an opening that was... All three of those were new to the theater this week. They all made about the same amount of money

[02:08:58] in their opening weekends. Jaws for the revenge does not make much money. 20 million total. Number four was number one the week before. It's a sequel as well. People complain about the sequels. Is it... Yeah, they were rampant back then. Is it a deuce? Or are we going...

[02:09:14] It's a deuce. It's a deuce. It's a comedy. A shop with another genre? No. No, it's just a comedy. I hate these movies. Oh, please cut me too. No, but you're near. Yeah, problematic is a good word. Same, I mean maybe not quite as blatantly bad

[02:09:35] as the police account. How many were there in total? Good question. So a lot. I don't know. I don't think about these movies at all. It doesn't even say here. We can have burners too? No. I hate these movies. Mannequin 2 on the move? No.

[02:09:54] I think you hate these movies. Yeah, but it's even weird that I hate them. There's four total. But two of them are TV movies. Oh, oh, rent the nerds. Number two called Subtitle. Because three is nerds in love. Four is nerds in paradise.

[02:10:15] No, this is nerds in paradise. Oh really? Okay. Bad franchise. Yeah. Yeah, bad movies. So there it is. Booker rules though. Fine. Booker is cool. Number five is the penultimate movie by a director we just referenced without saying his name. Booker? Oh God. David is now thrilled.

[02:10:37] He is conclusively. I've got another bottle. You threw a water bottle at me. I missed the... Yeah, okay. No, we've mentioned him. Today. Yeah, but we mentioned, we just mentioned one of his movies in our final lines rampage. So that was his last movie. No big perfect.

[02:10:57] This is his penultimate movie. Oh, that... What? Wait. Not nobody's... We referenced his last movie. This was the film before his last film. So it's not something like a hot... Oh, oh, oh, it's Full Metal Jacket. Correct.

[02:11:13] Full Metal Jacket, which made a pretty healthy $46 million way above its budget. One of its bigger hits. Yeah, but he made a lot of hits. I feel like people sort of forget this. You know, it's like the shining was a nice sized hit.

[02:11:29] I think unadjusted that's number two though behind 2001. Unadjusted it is number three. Oh, behind shining as well? No, Eyes Wide Shut made $55 million. Yeah, that's so weird. It's so weird that Eyes Wide Shut opened to number one in July.

[02:11:44] People were really hyped up for that movie and then they saw it. Yeah, and it freaked them out. Weird. Like his only real bomb is, I guess, like Paths of Glory. Eyes Wide Shut definitely didn't make money considering how much it cost. Who cares?

[02:12:01] Who gives a shit about what I don't know? I don't know. I weigh that for a dollar. You know what? I've actually never seen the whole thing. Yeah, okay. I watched on TV when I was in high school and for whatever reason I never finished it.

[02:12:15] So I've only seen the first half. Well, that's the supposedly the good half. I like the second half. That's the thing. Second half is just weird. I think it's very good, but I've also haven't seen the half that turned some people off.

[02:12:25] Yeah, but I mean, it's not bad. It's just that the first half is so spellbinding. Yeah. Adventures in babysitting, which someone recently told me to watch on the ready blanky slack, reddit, whatever the fuck it is. So DiMofrio is killing it right now. I guess so.

[02:12:38] Good for him. Thor in that movie. He's the original Thor. Yeah. Remember that? No. Innerspace with my boy Dennis Quaid. Giordante. Movie I hope we get to cover someday. Sure. Beverly Hills Cop 2. The Deuce. The Witches of Eastwick. A lot of good movies. The Untouchables, which we mentioned.

[02:12:57] Spaceballs. This is an amazing weekend. A lot of movies to see if you're more interested in going to the theater in July 1987. Well, I was when this movie came out. It was one year old, about 15 months. We don't have time for personal stories. Let's wrap it up.

[02:13:13] It's a tight episode. The film was nominated for two Oscars. Editing and sound. Editing and sound. It was given a special Oscar for sound editing, which was not yet like a full category then. So that was a special achievement award.

[02:13:30] But editing was definitely an unusual, unexpected nomination for this movie. Sure. Yeah. Because the other, I mean, you know, editing nominees are often just the best picture nominees and indeed the other four are best picture nominees. Can you name them? 1907 Full Metal Jacket.

[02:13:46] No, no was nominated for a best picture. Really? No. Just best screenplay. Okay. The winner of 1987's Oscar. A good movie. A good movie. Very stately. A goofy movie? No. Sound like a dad? No. That's 84. Stately. Long, very long epic period drama. Out of Africa? Nope. 85 or 86?

[02:14:09] Long epic Asian. Oh, Last Emperor. Which wins. Then you got a comedy that we might be talking about one day. 87. Great year for movies. That might be broadcast news. Yes. Then you got a Spielberg movie, not nominated for best picture. So I was wrong actually. He's having Spielberg.

[02:14:30] It's not a Jones. No. One of his prestige pictures. Is it, Why Am I Freeing the Tell Now? The Empire of the Sun. Yes. Then you got Robocop. I'm sorry, you mean Robert Cop? Then you've got a sex thriller. That was the biggest hit of the year.

[02:14:53] Pretty much. You said it's not a goofy movie? No. It's not a goofy movie or an extremely goofy movie. Fatal attraction? Yes. All the other nominees, best picture nominees were Hoping Glory and Moonstruck. I love Moonstruck. I've never seen Hoping Glory. I've never gotten into Moonstruck.

[02:15:09] I try to give it a shot every couple years and I still, I don't dislike it but I never, it never clicks. The moon doesn't hit my eye like the pizza pie. I'll click you. Then how you doing? It's late. We kept you late. Let's wrap it up.

[02:15:22] Oh boy, oh boy. So this is your number one for Hoven with a bullet. Yeah. Spoilers. Yeah, you could say. Griffin just described the whole plot of RoboCop to you so I hope you guys enjoyed that. You're welcome. He took longer than the movie does.

[02:15:38] I suppose I talked a little bit. This movie won a one, two, three, four, five Saturns awards so try and top that. He, Weller should have been on our best acting. He was nominated by the Saturns. By the Oscars.

[02:15:51] Oh yeah, I agree but he's amazing in this movie. Did he win the Saturn that year? Who won? You're making me look it up aren't you? I went home with the ring. But you know what? Let me say this. You fucker. If Weller was nominated...

[02:16:07] I stopped recording, I hit... Alright, now we're good. He literally stopped recording. The headphones fell down. Ben Laugh dropped the headphones off his head, hit the keyboard. Best actor went to Jack Nicholson for the Witches of Eastwick.

[02:16:20] Well, I look forward to being nominated but not winning and being able to say I'm in the rarefied company that Peter Weller. It's too bad everyone else nominated for the best actor Saturn this year is so good. Michael Nury and the Hidden. A fucking great movie.

[02:16:35] Therio Quinn and the Stepfather. Fantastic! This is the Saturns honoring like the genre movies. Peter Weller, Schwarzenegger and Predator, Lance Hendrickson and Pumpkinhead. Five grade nominees but then they're like they can't help themselves. Nicholson probably didn't even show up to the ceremony. 100% did not show up.

[02:16:54] They're like, oh Jack Nicholson for the Witches of Eastwick. What if he just was there in the front row wearing a touch of sunglasses? That would be great. If they give it to him at like the Lakers game and he's like, oh thank you.

[02:17:06] The Game of the Ring. I mean Nicholson's a creep right? Jessica Tandy won for... I mean there's probably... Yeah you want to do Benny on the record? I mean yeah that's no totally. Yeah that's true right? We're like...

[02:17:19] Jessica Tandy won Best Actress for Batteries not included at that awesome. That's just the weirdest Saturday. That's cool. Saturday's rule. I used to spend so much time looking up Saturday winners because they nominated and would give awards that kind of performances that I love that never get recognized.

[02:17:32] Anyway... And I hope to join that company someday. Started my campaign now. Consider me in a fur coat. Benny's on the record. Melissa Lea style telling you. Consider. It's 2017, I'm predicting that Nicholson will be revealed to be the creep that he is.

[02:17:46] You know he's certainly a Lariflin Boyle. That's all I really know of Jack Nicholson's life. Yup so that was our episode on Robert Copp. Yup great movie. American film. Great movie, subpar to bad episode. We did a great job. Now are you happy?

[02:18:06] That's weird because oh my god I just was handed a Saturn Award for this episode. Why are you so happy? You were going to tell me why you were so happy. Because I watched Rubble Copp twice in 24 hours. Oh that's the reason now you're so weird.

[02:18:18] The best moods table as well. He was like I have news that I will share with you once we start recording by the way. I didn't say news, I said I'm in a really good mood.

[02:18:24] I'll tell you why when we start recording because I want your reaction in real time. And now it's captured forever in history. That's the magic of podcasting. Thank you very much everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening.

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